Steven Wilson- Grace For DrowningO.O
expected release in the fall!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu
Wait... he's better than himself? ???Yep.
Wait... he's better than himself? ???Yep.
Wait... he's better than himself? ???Yep.
I agree.
"The Official DTF Circle Jer- *ahem* Steven Wilson Thread"
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning
expected release in the fall!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning
expected release in the fall!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu
That shit is scary.
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning
expected release in the fall!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu
I agree, lyrically, Insurgentes does nothing for me, though there's nothing wrong with the lyrics per se. The music however is incredible and I can't wait for the new solo album.
That. Some of us LIKE things like that. I like happy things as well, but songs that are sad and so emotional like a lot of SW's songs just really connect with me. He's said in a couple of interviews that he isn't an overly negative person, he just knows that a lot of people, like himself, find beauty in sadness.
If SW started writing happy songs, I would still listen to him and love every thing he does, but I think it would be a lot harder for me to connect to his music.
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.
Source?
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.
Source?
He said it in an interview somewhere, I can't find it though.
And about "Insurgentes", did you try some kind of new recording methods or did you just follow the way of recording of "Fear of a Blank Planet". Are you someone who is always trying to find some kind of new machines, computers to have a better sound each time?
I wouldn't say that I'm looking for better means to have a better sound but I'm certainly looking for new ways to inspire the music and keep things fresh. I'm not really interested in repeating myself. The way that I recorded this album was totally new for me.
In general, with Blackfield and Porcupine Tree I spend a lot of time on the lyrics to have deep meanings and very strong senses, but I did something very different with this album because I improvised almost all the lyrics. So I stood up the microphone and I simply improvised the lyrics as an experiment to see what would happen. Some were rubbish (laughs), some other were interesting.
This time I like the fact that the lyrics are more a part of the music and that they wouldn't be so important. That's a new approach for me. It can be scary sometimes to try new things and do some adventuring. But I did something special with vocals on this album and somehow they're more natural and maybe have more emotion and feeling, because I was not singing words from a page but directly words from my own. Maybe that some logical sides of the lyrics are missing but it was an intense new experience to do.
I love Steven Wilson, but...apart from the first track, nothing on Insurgentes has really clicked with me.
I love Steven Wilson, but...apart from the first track, nothing on Insurgentes has really clicked with me.
Get some good headphones, start album, close eyes.
I gave the album a listen last night because of this thread...it's way better than I remember.
Good job! It took a while to grow on me, but I wasn't as into that sort of stuff when I first got it, then I broadened my tastes so it's just awesome now.
Oh and FYI everyone in case you didn't realise:
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/sets/insurgentes-special-edition-bonus-disc/
second cd from insurgentes cloth deluxe edition for free, in wav \o/
My favourite SW video has to be the Disneyworld one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99r--eHwJ8
My favourite SW video has to be the Disneyworld one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99r--eHwJ8
Holy fuck I have never seen this before and I'm nearly crying :rollin
best part:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/justjen/2011/creepySWmouse.jpg)
Though some speculate that it's Nessie, or a derivative of her.best part:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/justjen/2011/creepySWmouse.jpg)
Local schoolyard cameras recently filmed this odd creature darting around erratically and crying. Experts remain baffled.
Are you kidding?! He is beautiful.
Steven Wilson is the ugliest fuck in music today.
Totally geed for Grace for Drowning though :caffeine:
I think the top guy is drummer for Gentle Giant. Don't know the bottom guy...You're right about the top one. :tup The bottom one is Christian Vander of Magma.
Lol...You kidding? Bitches love Magma.
And they play prog. Which means even they're even further from getting laid.
And Zack: BACK OFF
Steven Wilson is the ugliest fuck in music today.
I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.
But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.
He does look like he subsists primarily on human flesh...I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.
But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.
Steve Howe will eat your penis for breakfast.
Quick Edit: And to add to the conversation about SW's looks, lets just say he's one of few people I'd go gay for.Well, you and 82 people would too. I probably would as well
He does look like he subsists primarily on human flesh...I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.
But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.
Steve Howe will eat your penis for breakfast.
A lifetime of not smiling keeps his face youthfully smooth. :P
Jackie thanks for the fapping material
A lifetime of not smiling keeps his face youthfully smooth. :P
Wtf is a carpark?? Damn Europeans...Parking lot.
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?
I think its rather unlikely that there will be a tour
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?
I haven't heard anything like that, although SW did say that there is a drummer on this album that will "blow us away".
I'd like to see Gavin though, Gavin works well on PT/SW projects.
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?How did I miss this? I was even more impressed with Minnemann than with Mangini - this would be the perfect outcome to the auditions, for me. My two favourite drummers from the process end up collaborating with my two favourite artists.
Has SW ever toured with his solo/BC stuff? I can't imagine it being a terrifically exciting concert.
Wtf is a carpark?? Damn Europeans...Parking lot.
must say i'm glad "Puncture Wound" wasn't included on the main album; great song, but pretty much a direct ripoff of The Cure (i think), and the songs "Significant Other" and "Only Child" already carry a very similar vibe, imo.
Didn't SW cover A Forest?
Too bad there's no way he's coming to Sweden.I hope he comes to Sweden. I would love to catch a show while I'm there.
Marco Minnemann is the drummer for this record? I might just ejaculate right now.Holy tits is he really?
OMG TOUR
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878
Also, the million fan posts on his wall telling him to come to whatever state/country are really obnoxious.
OOH OOH OOH COME TO LA
Yeah, I got back last week! :D :D :D
However much I enjoy Insurgentes I can't imagine it will translate great live, and I'll be listening to the new album before deciding whether to hit Philly or not.
However much I enjoy Insurgentes I can't imagine it will translate great live, and I'll be listening to the new album before deciding whether to hit Philly or not.
Nick, it's Steven fucking Wilson.
Don't say 24 hours if you don't mean it dammit!
best buy has the best sound hands down in the city, shitty spot, yes, but i would prefer it for any concert for the sound.
Jackie if you go, there will be an epic meetup with drinking and such
best buy has the best sound hands down in the city, shitty spot, yes, but i would prefer it for any concert for the sound.
Dates in Sweden please. I agree with the 'hurry the fuck up steven' sentiment.
Nope, at the beginning of august and staying until the end of december :).Dates in Sweden please. I agree with the 'hurry the fuck up steven' sentiment.
I agree with this.
However, have you moved here now? D:
omg Mike we are totally gonna hang out
Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.
Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.
Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.
Baltimore? :-\
Fuck, not even one show on my side of the country.
Fuck, not even one show on my side of the country.
Not yet anyway. Hopefully they will do the usual Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, SF, LA....hopefully.
Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it? :tdwn
Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it? :tdwn
Considering the circumstances, I'd say it is.
Were you expecting a PT-sized tour? It's for his solo album, which I'm almost positive only hardcore PT fans bought.
No he isn't.Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it? :tdwn
Considering the circumstances, I'd say it is.
Were you expecting a PT-sized tour? It's for his solo album, which I'm almost positive only hardcore PT fans bought.
You're looking for an argument, in which I wasn't. Therefore, I won't bother answering your ridiculous question.
GRACE FOR DROWNING
New solo album from Porcupine Tree frontman Steven Wilson
Release Date September 26th
Steven Wilson is a twice Grammy-nominated producer, writer and performer, best known as founder and front man of British rock band Porcupine Tree. He has also produced and /or mixed albums for artists as diverse as Swedish metal band Opeth, Norwegian chanteuse Anja Garbarek, and progressive rock institution King Crimson. Last year, he also co-wrote and sang a track from Pendulum's number one album 'Immersion'.
Porcupine Tree’s last album was a top 30 album in both the UK and USA, and the tour climaxed with sold out shows in October last year at Royal Albert Hall in London and Radio City Music Hall in New York.
Grace For Drowning’ is the second album released under Wilson’s own name, and builds on the artistic inroads he forged with 2009’s exceptionally well-received ‘Insurgentes.’
A double album ('two 40-45 minute albums in the same package') Wilson has described it as "my biggest project to date".
He continues, “’Insurgentes’ was an important step for me into something new. This record takes that as a starting point, but it’s more experimental and more eclectic. For me the golden period for music was the late sixties and early seventies, when the album became the primary means of artistic expression, when musicians liberated themselves from the 3 minute pop song format, and started to draw on jazz and classical music especially, combining it with the spirit of psychedelia to create “journeys in sound” I guess you could call them. So without being retro, my album is a kind of homage to that spirit. There’s everything from [Ennio] Morricone-esque film themes to choral music to piano ballads to a 23 minute progressive jazz–inspired piece. I’ve actually used a few jazz musicians this time, which is something I picked up from my work remixing the King Crimson records.”
The full tracklist is as follows;
CD1:
1. Grace For Drowning (2.00)
2. Sectarian (8.00)
3. Deform to Form a Star (8.00)
4. No Part of Me (5.45)
5. Postcard (4.30)
6. Raider Prelude (2.30)
7. Remainder the Black Dog (9.15)
CD2:
1. Belle de Jour (3.00)
2. Index (4.45)
3. Track One (4.15)
4. Raider II (23.15)
5. Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye (8.00)
Ditto :caffeine: :caffeine:
This is my new desktop photo:
(https://www.kscopemusic.com/stevenwilson/promo/images/gfd/Steven_Wilson_1.jpg)
Yuck all over those titles. "Track One" is track 2.3, "Raider Prelude" and "Raider II" without a "Raider I" in sight - and that's before we get to the self-consciously arty "Remainder the Black Dog," "Deform to Form a Star," and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye."
It's kind of the opposite of that, though. Metropolis is, by the band's own admission, a joke that got out of hand. Steven Wilson currently strikes me as being a little more earnest than that, which... right, the buzz-word "pretentious," which has somehow managed to leech itself onto big long solos and self-indulgence, and that's absolute nonsense. Dream Theater, for instance, are about as unpretentious as they come - they're one of those bands where a solo is just a solo, and they'll tuck away loads of interesting bits, but it's not in truth much more pretentious than a Harry Potter film.Yuck all over those titles. "Track One" is track 2.3, "Raider Prelude" and "Raider II" without a "Raider I" in sight - and that's before we get to the self-consciously arty "Remainder the Black Dog," "Deform to Form a Star," and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye."
Reminds me of this band I used to listen to called Dream Theatre. They had a song called "The Miracle and the Sleeper pt 1: Metropolis" and never made a part 2! Crazy, huh? Then they made an album called "Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory" without ever mentioning "Metropolis pt 1!" :neverusethis:
Steve Wilson may be pretentious and self-absored... but that's leading him to create music that genuinely has never been created before. I love it. I don't find it insincere at all. I don't find his gig tired and cliched at all, either. If anything, I think he's just beginning on what'll become his best work. He scratched the surface on Insurgentes and I really can't wait to see what this double album has in store.I don't think his gig is tired and clichéd at all. I'd also argue that this is the first time he's approached Sand Snowman's Website levels of pretentiousness, so this is the first time he's had a go at this particular gig, which isn't "his," yet.
And I'm no SW fanboy. I think anyone here can testify to that.
Oh God a joke turned into a RobWebsterant. :lolAha! I'm glad I've not gone completely mad. I've been thinking that my venom is complete artless nonsense. But yeah, I'm still trusting ol' Steveyboy to make a killer album. I just can't like the titles, because they feel like they belong to precisely that school. All I was getting at!
I mean, I understand where you're coming from. I'm not fond of artsy titles that just reek of a sense that they were only called that for the sake of sounding artsy. That practice has always seemed a bit insincere. Like you said, people tooting their own horn about how much of an artist they are rather than a rock musician. The thing is with Steven Wilson, he's typically very serious about his music, and nothing he's done in the past reeks of insincere artsiness. So while "Remainder the Black Dog" and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye" would turn me off of almost any other band, Steven Wilson is sincere enough to where I think there MUST be a good reason for them, and I trust him more.
EDIT: Sigz's post is incredibly likely as well. It is baffling to me why Raider Prelude is on the first disc and Raider II is on the second, or why he didn't change the names. :lol
I guess I just don't get it. When I read those titles, I don't think anything special. They just seem like titles just as valid as any to me. What exactly makes them pretentious?I think they've crossed the borderline that they're less than the sum of their parts.
He's already a fantastically artistic musician when he's writing songs called The Blind House, Trains and Stop Swimming. Or heck, when he's writing songs called Grace for Drowning and Belle de Jour - which give you pause for thought, but they also communicate something. He doesn't need to go arse-swimming in his own pool to prove what a soulful little man he is. It doesn't make me think "ooh what a gleeful little poet you are," it makes me think "okay, enough of that, let's get real."
Well, there may be an element that he's got more reason to be brave now, plus the idea that if this fails it's not a big deal 'cause it's only a solo album, which are giving him more security.He's already a fantastically artistic musician when he's writing songs called The Blind House, Trains and Stop Swimming. Or heck, when he's writing songs called Grace for Drowning and Belle de Jour - which give you pause for thought, but they also communicate something. He doesn't need to go arse-swimming in his own pool to prove what a soulful little man he is. It doesn't make me think "ooh what a gleeful little poet you are," it makes me think "okay, enough of that, let's get real."
The fact that its only been a few years since writing songs called "The Blind House," "Remember Me Lover," "Flicker," "Only Child," "Twilight Coda," "Collecting Space," etc. that I think if Steven Wilson wanted to make everyone aware of how much an artist he is, he would have done it a while ago, when he and PT were still obscure enough that they would need to grab attention with "unique" album and song titles. But they've got it in spades. So I don't think he is "arse-swimming," just because he's had a 20-year reputation of not doing so.
Can someone summerize what has happened on this page? It's tl;dr for me.
Group hug in the shower?I think that'd be for the best. :hat
:heartGroup hug in the shower?I think that'd be for the best. :hat
Thanks, even though I don't understand what's on that blog site :tup.Can someone summerize what has happened on this page? It's tl;dr for me.
Basically, Rob finds the song titles for SW's new album quite pretentious (see https://sandsnowman.blogspot.com/ ), like Steve's trying to make himself seem like a "real artist", a "tortured soul", almost taking himself too seriously. He's still really looking forward to the music though.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0)
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0)
>:( >:(
I made mine the one of him sitting onmy penisthe bench.
neberrrrrrrrrreben
He's playing at my school so I get in for free! I am so excited! Last time I saw Steven live it was with Porcupine Tree and I cried when I first heard his voice live.
He's playing at my school so I get in for free! I am so excited! Last time I saw Steven live it was with Porcupine Tree and I cried when I first heard his voice live.
What school?
As of this posting I've decided to hold off on all sound samples/mp3s. I want to hear the entire thing brand new.
https://www.last.fm/music/Steven+Wilson/+images/66628856
collaberation plz!
Just to make sure I'm understanding right: GfD will not be released on a plain old CD? It's either $9.99 .mp3 or $1,945,675.69 special edition?
Just to make sure I'm understanding right: GfD will not be released on a plain old CD? It's either $9.99 .mp3 or $1,945,675.69 special edition?
Where did you read that? I don't see any mention of that.
RtB made me shit myself.
RtB made me shit myself.
Server to busy to download :(
First post back from ban obviously has to go here. The new song kicks all kinds of ass and I'm definitely getting the special edition or whatever for this.
First post back from ban obviously has to go here. The new song kicks all kinds of ass and I'm definitely getting the special edition or whatever for this.
o/
Also, that was easily one of the greatest songs I have ever heard in my whole life. Not exaggerating. It has serious potential to be my all time favorite.
dat sax
There's a sax at like 4:00.dat sax
At the end of the song? That's a flute dammit. :lol
Did one of the songs become available for download or something?
Steve Hackett - guitarsWHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?
Steven posted it on facebook, so you were informed ;)Steve Hackett - guitarsWHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?
I thought the song had some cool things in it, but the middle-end dragged too much for me.
I thought the song had some cool things in it, but the middle-end dragged too much for me.
if you liked that song and you haven't listened to IEM
well then uh that was pretty much an IEM song
so if you want four CDs worth more of that then start listening to IEM
if you liked that song and you haven't listened to IEM
well then uh that was pretty much an IEM song
so if you want four CDs worth more of that then start listening to IEM
What if I'm looking for cheap thrills and Asian prostitutes?
Wait, Hackett AND Beggs on a WILSOOOOOOOON record?
I. Just. Died.
Seriously, as an avid fan of Hackett and early Genesis, I love his playing, and Steven Wilson is just... Out there, and I love Hackett's Out Of The Tunnel's Mouth album (and saw him live on tour) so I know Beggs's bass playing is amazing. But Hackett + Beggs playing on a Wilson song?
I CAN'T TAKE THE EPIC ANY LONGER. I NEED THIS ALBUM NOW, NOT IN FOUR MONTHS. (I'm sorry, I'm a little excited).
Got my tickets for Boston and NY. I wanna go to the Philly show, but driving to NY and Boston within 3 days is already a ton, and I dunno if I could drive an additional 6 hours on top of that. So... I'll have to figure out that in the next few days
got my NYC ticket!
I hate all of you.
Wait, Hackett AND Beggs on a WILSOOOOOOOON record?
I. Just. Died.
Seriously, as an avid fan of Hackett and early Genesis, I love his playing, and Steven Wilson is just... Out there, and I love Hackett's Out Of The Tunnel's Mouth album (and saw him live on tour) so I know Beggs's bass playing is amazing. But Hackett + Beggs playing on a Wilson song?
I CAN'T TAKE THE EPIC ANY LONGER. I NEED THIS ALBUM NOW, NOT IN FOUR MONTHS. (I'm sorry, I'm a little excited).
Comes out in just over 2 months bro.
Got my and Jackie's tickets for the Chicago show :caffeine: :caffeine:
I don't see any tour dates for Arizona. What an elitist!
IM GOING TO BE MURDERED ON MY BIRTHDAYYYYY
Oh ok, that clears things up.GLAURUNG, DO YOU LIKE TO SLEEP WITH MEN?
Yep.
WHERE WHERE WHERE WHEREhttps://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/
also, they are apparently going to carry some of the CD box versions through a North American retailer, so the shipping won't rape you like it always does from Burning Shed if you live stateside. i'm waiting to see where exactly that preorder is, though...
I really want the deluxe edition... But I need to control myself. I'm already planning on spending way too much on music in September as is. :(
Guess it's time to buy a blu-ray player, then. :hat
So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?
Hi folks, some clarification, at least what I know (while I'd love to control every aspect of everything, I just can't!) : The deluxe edition is limited to 5,000 copies worldwide. Exclusive to the deluxe is of course the 120 book itself, and the bonus CD (though 3 of the pieces from the bonus CD also appear as extras on the blu-ray). The blu-ray disc / 5.1 mix will only play on a blu-ray player, no DVD version this time. I believe blu-ray will soon become standard for high res audio releases, and probably movies too - players can now be picked up for as little as £50 and note that you can play your regular DVDs on a blu-ray player too. A standalone blu-ray will be available too (not sure why no pre-order for that one). I think you can cancel your order for the deluxe if you just prefer the blu-ray - we can certainly use them if you prefer not to have one, it's selling pretty fast. I don't know what's going on with the high price of ordering from the local mail order companies, the whole idea was to try to make it cheaper for everyone, but I'm guessing the problem is still the cost of getting the copies out to them from the UK, even in bulk. Kinda frustrating (so here is a picture if me looking suitably grumpy). Anyway, looking into that. The double vinyl will include a drop card allowing you to download the album, but I don't know if that's lossless or compressed mp3. So a few things I need to clarify with the label - hopefully more info in a few days....
Oh I didn't know about that. I meant like distributed like a regular album, to the bigger music retailers and stuff.So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?
No, it's all gonna come out at the same time for this album. I really didn't understand the staggered release for Insurgentes.
Oh I didn't know about that. I meant like distributed like a regular album, to the bigger music retailers and stuff.So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?
No, it's all gonna come out at the same time for this album. I really didn't understand the staggered release for Insurgentes.
"while I'd love to control every aspect of everything, I just can't!"
Mike Portnoy...Steven Wilson?
:omg:
So is the deluxe edition the only way to get the blu-ray?
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150 dollars later and my anus is larger, but its ok because SW:rollin :rollin
Really getting back into Insurgentes. It just blows my mind. Every song except "No Twilight..." is a 10/10 right now for me.
I dunno, but I guess I don't like the songs most of you guys like. I wasn't that impressed with "Remainer..." for example.Really getting back into Insurgentes. It just blows my mind. Every song except "No Twilight..." is a 10/10 right now for me.
How can the best song on the album not be a 10/10?
Yeah but there's no way I would ruin the whole album-experience to hear a song now, that would just be... stupid. :lolI agree with the Z.
I mean the album will be out in like a month anyways.
...Because the whole-album experience trumps everything? Just listen to music and enjoy, dude, it's not like you have to make these hard-nosed rules about it.
Well, I can listen to samples and enjoy the album at the same time. Sorry about your handicap.
Looks awesome, but I'm gonna wait til the album comes out. I heard RtBD 3 times, and that is enough to hold me over until September. :biggrin:Enough to hold me over until September of next year, I'm afraid. Didn't connect with it for a second.
Looks awesome, but I'm gonna wait til the album comes out. I heard RtBD 3 times, and that is enough to hold me over until September. :biggrin:Enough to hold me over until September of next year, I'm afraid. Didn't connect with it for a second.
Track One's really cool, though. Especially with the video. Absolutely fantastic.
Definitely not better than RtBD.Well that'd be difficult. That's one of his best songs in years IMHO. :P
Okay, so the Track One video is really really great. Not sure about the actual song yet, but it wasn't bad, which means my excitement hasn't waned yet and it'll probably grow on me the way Insurgentes did.
A second video from Steven Wilson's forthcoming album Grace For Drowning "Index" is now exclusively available to view on Yahoo (follow the link). More info on SW's facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878
I've actually lit something similar to a mannequin on fire while drunk once. It wasn't on a beach though.
SW has talked in interviews about the cinematic aspects of his music and his work with Lasse Hoile expanding for this record. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a video for every song on the album. That would be awesome.True that
SW has talked in interviews about the cinematic aspects of his music and his work with Lasse Hoile expanding for this record. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a video for every song on the album. That would be awesome.
Porcupine Tree "guitarist"? ???lol
Porcupine Tree "guitarist"? ???hehe
I'm gonna wait until I get the boxset before I listen to it. IT NEEDS TO BE PERFECT
But that means I probably won't get to hear it until the first week of October. :(
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships.
I'm listening to Bass Communion's "Molotov and Haze" album right now. The song "Glacial 1602" sounds really similar to Veneno Para Las Hadas.
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships.
But most other places seem to charge upon receiving the order. Hmm.
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships.
The new issue of German magazine Eclipsed includes an interview about Grace For Drowning, as part of which they asked me to choose a very personal selection of 20 tracks that I'd been involved in that I was most proud of. I chose:
Stop Swimming (PT), Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (PT), Sleep Together (PT), Anesthetize (PT), Heartattack in a Layby (PT), All Sweet Things (No-Man), Returning Jesus (No-Man), Mixtaped (No-Man), 1,000 People (Blackfield), Ghosts on Magnetic Tape (Bass Communion), Pacific Codex (Bass Communion), Abandoner (SW), Salvaging (SW), Veneno Para Las Hadas (SW), Get All You Deserve (SW), Belle De Jour (SW), Remainder the Black Dog (SW), Index (SW), Raider II (SW), Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye (SW).
I knew that Molotov and Haze came first, and a song from it sounds like a song from Insurgentes.I'm listening to Bass Communion's "Molotov and Haze" album right now. The song "Glacial 1602" sounds really similar to Veneno Para Las Hadas.
You mean the other way around? :P
Seeing as Molotov and Haze came out before Insurgentes.
It's not the first time SW has taken something he's done with BC for another project, another good example is the song "Together We're Stranger" by No-Man, which is pretty much "Drugged" with vocals.
One of my favorite No-Man songs though, so just love it. :)
getting my anus ready for the new album
BC
Raider II sounds super good
Did that take many sessions? Looks pretty nice too, awesome idea for a tattoo.
I ordered mine from Newbury Comics or whatever so I expect to get it before any Americans that ordered it from Burning Shed. :P
I ordered mine from Newbury Comics or whatever so I expect to get it before any Americans that ordered it from Burning Shed. :P
I didn't get an e-mail :-\
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HOLY SHIT THIS MIGHT BE ALBUM OF THE YEAR AND I'M ON TRACK FOUR
FUCK
HOLY SHIT THIS MIGHT BE ALBUM OF THE YEAR AND I'M ON TRACK FOUR
Fanboiiii.
Nah, but really good album indeed, just finished my first listen. :)
Deform to Form A Star was fucking magnificent.
Deform to Form A Star was fucking magnificent.
Definitely the best on the album.
I'm really digging Postcard, such a wonderful song.
I'm really digging Postcard, such a wonderful song.
Sounds like great impressions so far, it'll take a lot to top Insurgentes in my opinion.
Ambience is awesome, why take it out? :\
the best album of all time objectively if you disagree you are wrong
BC
Bought the 2CD on HMV today, on first listen now. Deform To Form a Star, Postcard, Raider Prelude and Index stand out so far.
I'm loving it too so it's all growing on me and I have a grower between my legs but my wife is about to get home and I don't want her to think I've been touching myself so I'm just going to turn it off for now OK?:|
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."
I... uh... wut?
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."
I... uh... wut?
Meh. Who cares if someone doesn't like him? Not everyone is gonna love the same bands or musicians.
Agree that some people sometimes care a little too much about what others think.Yeah a lot of people there can't be taken seriously, but this guy is a contributor, hand picked by the staff because of his good reviews...
On the other hand, I think Sputnikmusic is a site full with a lot of trolls/jerks or whatever you wanna call them, about 2 out of 5 people can be taken seriously, the rest... not so much.
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."
I... uh... wut?
Meh. Who cares if someone doesn't like him? Not everyone is gonna love the same bands or musicians.
I know, it's totally cool if someone doesn't like him, but that statement is just completely incorrect and unnecessary. Of all the artists you could say that about, Steven Wilson would be one of the last ones that should be said about.Agree that some people sometimes care a little too much about what others think.Yeah a lot of people there can't be taken seriously, but this guy is a contributor, hand picked by the staff because of his good reviews...
On the other hand, I think Sputnikmusic is a site full with a lot of trolls/jerks or whatever you wanna call them, about 2 out of 5 people can be taken seriously, the rest... not so much.
Raider II I think is pretty good. Not super-amazing, but a good, enjoyable track.-1. Exactlys. I think it gets a lot more crap than it deserves.
Nothing beats waking up in the morning, and getting Grace For Drowning as a birthday gift. :heart
Guys no one has answered yet if I should get vinyl or blue ray and I really don't have a personality of my own so I need your guidance in this matter.
my ballsack will explode when my vinyl and deluxe editions come in the mail
BC
my ballsack will explode when my vinyl and deluxe editions come in the mail
BC
The bonus tracks are pretty cool. You can listen to the first, Home In Negative, here: https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/home-in-negative
Fluid Tap and The Map are awesome.
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?
So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?
I'm here to serve.
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?
I'm here to serve.
Haha thank you!
@SlickSy: NO, but I'll be going to the Sheffield one tomorrow. eeeeeeeeeeee excited
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?
I'm here to serve.
Haha thank you!
@SlickSy: NO, but I'll be going to the Sheffield one tomorrow. eeeeeeeeeeee excited
Oh, that's cool. Be sure to report back with how it goes. I'll be interested to see how it went.
Is it normal to:
1) be unable to get the chorus of Deform To Form A Star out of your head
2) actually be enjoying the fact that you're unable to shift a song for well over three hours?
I mean, yes, it's an amazing song, but even so, usually having a song stuck that long gets annoying... But it isn't.
Just got the vinyl... don't have my turntable here so I can't play it anyways. :PDid you order the vinyl and special edition like Zack did? or just the vinyl?
Will probably listen to the MP3s tonight though
Just got the vinyl... don't have my turntable here so I can't play it anyways. :PDid you order the vinyl and special edition like Zack did? or just the vinyl?
Will probably listen to the MP3s tonight though
Fucking
Assuming Rudess does all of the piano on this album, this might be one of his finest individual efforts to date.
Check the booklet.
Assuming Rudess does all of the piano on this album, this might be one of his finest individual efforts to date.
Bleh I still haven't had time to listen to this album yet. fucking school and work and having to proctor psych exams FUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Steven was pretty awesome today at the signing :D
Steven was pretty awesome today at the signing :D
Confirmation of my suspision that he is indeed awsome.
:rollin :rollin
That's awesome.
I'm hoping to get Mikael to sign something when I see Opeth tomorrow so I'll confirm if his signature is awful. :P
There's probably no way I'll see the band at all since I don't have vip tickets, but I'm bringing my BWP vinyl and CD booklet just in case. (and probably the Heritage one if it ever decides to show up at my apartment...)
It's a 3 hour drive home after the show and I have class the next day. :lol
Is there even piano anywhere else on the album?
BC
This album :heart :heart :heart :heart
Can't stop listening
Does Steven let you take photos with him at the signing? :mehlin *crosses fingers*
Does Steven let you take photos with him at the signing? :mehlin *crosses fingers*
Yes, though I forgot.
Postcard is one of the most beautiful songs ever. Ever.
Other than the very beginning of Raider II i don't even really remember there being other piano stuff.
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.
Great album, diverse, experimental, well-produced... Great stuff.
I GOT MY BOXSET YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO OPETH BUT I FINALLY GOT TO OPEN IT THIS MORNING AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL OMG
I GOT MY BOXSET YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO OPETH BUT I FINALLY GOT TO OPEN IT THIS MORNING AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL OMG
I've just seen, from this video review, almost tempting me into buying it myself.
is this guy high or something though?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9MZTEQqbU
Finally listened to Grace and it's soooo good.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT AND YOU KNOW IT!!Finally listened to Grace and it's soooo good.
I'm glad you like Jeff Buckley. :tup
I attended the signing session in London today. Steven, put simply, is a wonderful man. :
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
H you'd best be joking fool.
Orion....that's the one with a bunch of power chords and boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
Still no box set! FUUUUUUUUUUU-
The keyboard/guitar unison in Black Dog's main riff is what came to mind for me.
At least, I think it's a keyboard. But maybe it's just horrible sound quality from the guitars.
Anyone else really disappointed about Steve Hackett on Remainder? I thought Steven would at least let him show his skills, but he's just like any other guitarist on there...
Oh I agree. In fact I think it's the best song of the past couple years. I'm just a little puzzled by it.Anyone else really disappointed about Steve Hackett on Remainder? I thought Steven would at least let him show his skills, but he's just like any other guitarist on there...
Its good music anyway, so it doesn't bother me
Video for Index: super fucking creepy and EXTREMELY AWESOME
Listened to the album in 5.1 for the first time earlier... Raider II is so atmospheric. I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book
Anyways this album is amazing.
Yeah I'm glad he didn't get to "show his skills"... I hate that kind of approach to music in general.
To be honest, Steven Wilson and his music has never really been about flashing technical skills or playing fast.
If you're looking for music where the musicians really display their skill, SW's music really isn't the place to look. :P
And by that I don't mean any criticism or anything like that, but SW is more of a "what suits the song"-kind of guy, passion and feel over fast playing or technical.
Yeah I'm glad he didn't get to "show his skills"... I hate that kind of approach to music in general.
Video for Index: super fucking creepy and EXTREMELY AWESOME
Listened to the album in 5.1 for the first time earlier... Raider II is so atmospheric. I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book
Anyways this album is amazing.
I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book
Is the book like, really cool or just kinda cool?
I ask because I want to know if I should plan on getting the Insurgentes box set someday.
Even the choirs are organic.
The keyboard/guitar unison in Black Dog's main riff is what came to mind for me.
At least, I think it's a keyboard. But maybe it's just horrible sound quality from the guitars.
Album of the year?
It's very close.
Album of the year?
It is.
Not as good as..
FABLES OF THE SLEEPLESS EMPIRE
:) :) :)
Album of the year?
It is.
Not as good as..
FABLES OF THE SLEEPLESS EMPIRE
:) :) :)
Get Insurgentes as well!
I thought 'Deform', 'Postcard' and 'Like Dust' were untoppable tracks, but then I listened to 'Raider II'. This is SO Album of the Year. I don't care what comes out for the rest of the year.
What reviews?
Personally I'd say Insurgentes blows all the PT albums out of the water, and I still love PT while saying that.
Insurgentes is just a masterpiece. :hefdaddy
Get Insurgentes as well!
Based on reviews, I feel like I'd be better off getting another PT album (I only have In Absentia, Voyage 34, FOABP, and The Sky Moves Sideways)
Get Insurgentes as well!
Based on reviews, I feel like I'd be better off getting another PT album (I only have In Absentia, Voyage 34, FOABP, and The Sky Moves Sideways)
Oh I didn't realize you hadn't listened to all of PT yet. I'd say go for Deadwing, Lightbulb Sun, or Stupid Dream next. You really can't go wrong with them.
Postcard, No Part of Me, Deform and Index are my favourite tracks by far.
SW = :facepalm:That was my immediate reaction to seeing this in the album booklet. I looked all over the internet to find a picture of it so I could use it as a facepalm, but I couldn't find one. :lol
ultimate facepalm memeMy first thought when I saw it in the booklet :lol
How do most of you listen to the new album? All at once, take a break between the two CDs, or do the two discs at completely separate times and treat each as a different album?i listened to both discs in a row the first time, but since then have kept them split. it's how SW recommends/intends and i think he was smart to do so, as it's a lot to take in one sitting, and that's a really momentum killer. plus, the two sides are just different enough to really warrant separate time to appreciate alone.
I really don't understand how people call SW or any of his music "pretentious." First of all, I fucking hate that word with a god damn passion. Second, his music comes across as very honest to me... I really don't see how people say that.
Daniel Gildenlöw
Daniel Gildenlöw
You'd be hard pressed to argue that he isn't, as much as I love his work.
Deform to Form a Star is definitely in the top 3 songs SW has ever recorded for me. It hits me on the same level that Trains and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here hit me, and I just love it.
the end of Track One is possibly the most beautiful thing to grace my ears this year.
Sigh. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? I bought both Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning and listened to them back to back.
...Both are really bland, honestly. Most of it just came off as really atmospheric music that didn't really go anywhere. Granted, I like "Harmony Korine" and "Deform To Form A Star", but the rest is barely even memorable. Hopefully it'll grow on me.
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches. That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words. Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think. Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically. Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches. That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words. Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think. Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically. Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
EDIT: And Ryan, feel free to replace the word "pretentious" with any of the following words:
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I don't like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Tallest Man on Earth, or Lady Gaga, but I don't think they are pretentious. And there are things I like that are pretentious, like lots of SW's stuff.When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches. That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words. Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think. Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically. Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
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You can't just take that word out and replace it with something from thesaurus.com. The reason I hate the word is people use it as a catch for all things that they don't like, and that's basically what you just did.
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches. That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words. Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think. Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically. Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
Well, sure, but innovation =/= good. Most new ideas are pretty terrible.When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches. That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words. Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think. Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically. Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
...isn't that innovation? Creating things that are new?
(repost - got last-post-on-the-page-syndrome)
I don't like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Tallest Man on Earth, or Lady Gaga, but I don't think they are pretentious. And there are things I like that are pretentious, like lots of SW's stuff.When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches. That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words. Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think. Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically. Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
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You can't just take that word out and replace it with something from thesaurus.com. The reason I hate the word is people use it as a catch for all things that they don't like, and that's basically what you just did.
The KC influences are really heavy through out this album, so if you aren't a fan of KC you probably won't like a big chunk of this record. But, personally I love it. The instrumental bit in Remainder is crazy, and I love those chord changes! :metalHmmm, does that mean that your hair was blown in an open car?
I was listening to this album on the backroads... in the middle of nowhere... in a convertible with the roof off yesterday. It was an awesome experience. :hat
Sectarian is really boring
I'd like Raider II much more it was trimmed down.
BUILD
ME
UP
BREAK
ME
DOWN
Insurgentes was all about taking a song and breaking it down. Grace For Drowning is about taking a song and building it up.Wow, that sums those albums up perfectly. Nice, man!
Received my copy of the BluRay audio version of GfD today. Pretty pissed that my main BluRay player (the one that's hooked up to my surround sound) isn't compatible, so I listened to it in stereo using my PS3. Great stuff.
Received my copy of the BluRay audio version of GfD today. Pretty pissed that my main BluRay player (the one that's hooked up to my surround sound) isn't compatible, so I listened to it in stereo using my PS3. Great stuff.
:lol
Also I am SO glad Portnoy is not part of Storm Corrosion. I am extremely excited for that record to come out!
Even the most logical potential failure, an album entirely composed of white noise and japanese employment training samples would turn out fantastic.
BTW I know this is off topic, but I was told that I should update my BluRay players firmware if I want to listen to GfD. I'm having problems with my samsung... it seems to connect to the internet and even says 'Ready for download' and 'Preparing for upgrade' but returns to the main menu before anything starts downloading. Any tips?
That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion. Color me intrigued.
Yeah, I'm about to do it with a USB stick. Once the firmware is updated, there shouldn't be any problems with connecting to the internet right?
like on "Shesmovedon" 2005 and several Opeth records? ;)That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion. Color me intrigued.
This. The thought of MA and SW harmonizing with each other gives me such a large erection!
like on "Shesmovedon" 2005 and several Opeth records? ;)That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion. Color me intrigued.
This. The thought of MA and SW harmonizing with each other gives me such a large erection!
(it does sound amazing though. glad i get some time to save up for whatever deluxe package they're inevitably releasing!)
Tell you what: the next time you have to drive at least 20 minutes by yourself late at night when it is all dark out, crank Raider II up to the max and enjoy. It is just...wow. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
To be honest, I'm surprised at all the praise Raider II is getting. I hate to say it, but for me it's easily the worst song Steven Wilson has put out (talking strictly solo stuff here). Never have 23 minutes felt so long to me. It takes too much time to go absolutely nowhere. There's a cool moment that crops up every now and again, but it is a freaking chore to get through. I prefer the demo, if only because it has that cool riff found in Raider Acceleration, but I can do without them both. If Raider II was a very young, malnourished little girl . . . I'd punch her in the face.
I'm sorry, had to vent. Curious if anyone else here doesn't care for it though.
WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE TO ME
the official Steven Wilson iPhone app, launched today, features the debut of "Cut Ribbon," recorded for Grace For Drowning but left off the bonus selections. it's the same song (often misnamed "Wet Ribbon") from the Out Absentia bootleg of IA demos, intended for the project with Mikael Åkerfeldt before it became whatever Storm Corrosion is.
recording quality is obviously fantastic compared to the demo, as is the vocal layering for the choruses. guitar sound is very Insurgentes, and it definitely sounds exactly like "Futile"-esque Gavin Harrison drumming. i hope SW throws it on his SoundCloud at some point, i'd like to be able to keep it.
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that he has an iphone app? :lol
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that he has an iphone app? :lol
Yeah I thought about that too. :lol
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.
That's cool I guess, but I don't see why that stuff isn't on a website instead since any phone that can run apps has access to the internet. It also allows people who don't have smart phones to enjoy the extras.
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.
That's cool I guess, but I don't see why that stuff isn't on a website instead since any phone that can run apps has access to the internet. It also allows people who don't have smart phones to enjoy the extras.
I don't disagree by any means, but to be honest the app is coded really well. Really beautiful and elegant to my mind. It certainly wasn't thrown together. He says he's also hoping to add live video clips from the tour there. That's not to say it's *groudbreaking* or anything along those lines, or necessarily the best way to (exclusively) distribute these things, but as a SW fan I enjoy the app. :metal
Some screenshots for those interested (click on thumbnail for full-res):
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I was surprised how well the app worked, and just overall how good it was. I was expecting an ugly bug-filled and rushed amateur mess but it's really great. And it says on the site that a Porcupine Tree app is coming soon. I'll be waiting for that one!
the official Steven Wilson iPhone app, launched today, features the debut of "Cut Ribbon," recorded for Grace For Drowning but left off the bonus selections. it's the same song (often misnamed "Wet Ribbon") from the Out Absentia bootleg of IA demos, intended for the project with Mikael Åkerfeldt before it became whatever Storm Corrosion is.
recording quality is obviously fantastic compared to the demo, as is the vocal layering for the choruses. guitar sound is very Insurgentes, and it definitely sounds exactly like "Futile"-esque Gavin Harrison drumming. i hope SW throws it on his SoundCloud at some point, i'd like to be able to keep it.
I really want to hear this now - I hope the android version comes out soon, or it's posted on his soundcloud.
No Part of Me is one of the most beautiful and incredible songs SW has ever created.
And the concert yesterday was amazing in every possible way.
Yep it was. I had been 90% sure they would open with Grace For Drowning/Sectarian, I also thought of other options (Harmony Korine for example), but what they actually did really caught me off guard. They did the intro much slower than on the album, so at first I was wondering what is this (Raider maybe or something?), but when the bass entered it was like "oh... right :biggrin:".No Part of Me is one of the most beautiful and incredible songs SW has ever created.
And the concert yesterday was amazing in every possible way.
Lucky thing. Looks like a cracking setlist :tup
Saw the set list elsewhere; pretty darn stellar. The only songs I kind of expected that he didn't play are Salvaging, Insurgentes and Track One, but hey, you can't play everything, right? I read that the London show is rumored to be recorded for a DVD release, which would be sweet!
Hey guys its a Steven Wilson-related album have we ranked the songs yet?Agreed on Raider II. I dunno, that song just isn't really doing anything for me. I really don't like that weird part at 4 minutes. But that choir thing in the beginning part is sweet, sounds like it's out of Chrono Trigger. (edit: Totally forgot that that part is from Sectarian and used in Raider II) The album really started clicking with me last week, excluding a few songs.
Deform to Form a Star
Index
Postcard
No Part of Me
Remainder the Black Dog
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Track One
Sectarian
Raider II
But even Raider II is a good song. I'm liking this album more and more, which I kinda expected, since its Steven Wilson. :P
this would make the perfect soundtrack for a violent porn flick
where like the girl is shackled to a cold stone wall and the guy is whipping her and pounding her senseless from behind
this part is a time lapse shot of all the guys pummeling her from every direction
That creepy keyboard and piano lead in Index sounds like something right out of a Stanley Kubrick film.
SPOILERS, BEWAREHad exactly the same there :D
Well, there were two "out of ordinary" things in Kraków:
1) In the beginning, there was a kind of transparent curtain between the stage and the audience, and the projections were displayed on it, but you could see the band behind it. I don't know about the others but my thinking was "this is a really cool idea... but it creates a distance between the band and the audience a bit". However, during one of the heavier sections of Sectarian (which was fourth), it was dropped and everyone cheered :D then the projections were displayed normally on a screen in the back.
2) In the middle of Get All You Deserve, once the drums enter, SW disappeared from the stage for a moment and returned after a short time in... a gas mask like the one on the Insurgentes cover. :lol And the effect was really fucking awesome, with the whole heavy/noise riff slowly drowning out the drums and the keyboards, the animation on the screen looking like the end of the world and everything burning, and SW in the mask.
Other than that, it was quite normal; I'd just say it was a little bit darker and less "rocking" than PT concerts, SW spoke less and it had a different feel.
Hey PixelDream, I was at the concert as well. I mighta seen ya then :P you going to Zoetermeer as well?
Listening to the NSRGNTS RMX for the first time...damn son.It's very inconsistent. Some of them like the Harmony Korine remix aren't really interesting, but:
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?
Harrison is a jazz drummer.I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?
Steve liked the idea of getting a jazz drummer to play rock songs.
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?
Harrison is a jazz drummer.I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?
Steve liked the idea of getting a jazz drummer to play rock songs.
Quality-gap, really?
You must hate the album. :lol
Quality-gap, really?
You must hate the album. :lol
I like it a lot!
Everything has a quality gap, even In Absentia. I like certain songs or groups of songs much more than others.
Damn, I wish I didn't miss the show here in Florida but I had bigger priorities.
I thought Minneman was doing the tour drums?
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.
You forgot Half-Light.
And dark matter really isn't that bad. at all.
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.
You forgot Half-Light.
And dark matter really isn't that bad. at all.
Damn, I wish I didn't miss the show here in Florida but I had bigger priorities.
Isn't the concert next week?
High. Very fucking high.Yep. Both SW albums are pretty much perfect and I can't find anything to complain about. There's only a handful of PT albums I can say that about, though.
High. Very fucking high.
Just out of interest, where would you guys rank Steven's solo albums amongst the PT discography?
I haven't listened to any of his other projects. Whats Blackfield like music-wise?
I dunno, those are my favorite types of PT songs, but I don't really like BF that much.I haven't listened to any of his other projects. Whats Blackfield like music-wise?
Blackfield is a bit like mellow Porcupine Tree, if you enjoy Stupid Dream and more of PT's poppy stuff, you should love Blackfield.
They might have slightly sadder lyrics, but the music is really beautiful and well crafted.
Not as progressive or heavy (at times as Pt can be), but more pop/rock, gorgeous melodies and so on. :)
(when in the mood for it, I think that Blackfield can reach even higher highs then PT)
If those are two of your favorite PT-albums, Blackfield might be for you. :)Alright, I will do, thanks!
I would recommend starting with the first album, then second and then the latest (Welcome to My DNA) probably, it's a great album run. :)
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:
Posted on one of SW's statuses
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Ah... :lol That's kinda weird, cause I thought it was the consensus that Steven is kind awkward and a little bit distant from fans? It certainly seemed that way on the Insurgentes DVD. I've never met him though and I really wanted to go to the signing he did yesterday, but it was 8 hours before the show and I didn't wanna get to the city that earlier. :P
Anyone here ever meet SW outside of the venue? I'm considering hanging around the venue for a bit hoping to catch him on the way to the bus or something, but I've never tried that with any band before so I don't really know what to expect.
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:
We're going to have a three way with him right?
Yeah he was really nice, and I had a nerdy audiophile loudness war / dynamic range chat with him :)how did that go? what did he say?
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:
We're going to have a three way with him right?
Duh. Have you met him before? I am gonna get all nervous and not know what to say/do. I need you to be my fluffer.
Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous.
Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous.
Yeah man! when I met PT, John was the one who chatted the longest! I'm a guitar player too, so he told me about how he has to learn the guitar parts by ear, and what the hardest parts to learn from The Incident were. Very cool guy.
Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous.
Yeah man! when I met PT, John was the one who chatted the longest! I'm a guitar player too, so he told me about how he has to learn the guitar parts by ear, and what the hardest parts to learn from The Incident were. Very cool guy.
That's awesome! :tup I'm extremely impressed by how quickly and thoroughly prepared he was for this show given how little notice he had.
Curious as to what he said the hardest part from The Incident was?
Insurgentes would rank pretty high but GFD would be very very low, probably placing 3rd from bottom (above TSMS and OTSOL)
Insurgentes would rank pretty high but GFD would be very very low, probably placing 3rd from bottom (above TSMS and OTSOL)
You are high as a fucking kite!
Jackie I want to have sex with your leg.
Jackie I want to have sex with your leg.
Postcard has such depressing lyrics.
And I want cut ribbon, damn it.
In that case I hope he does not come to OR/WA so we can all meet in CA :p
From Twitter:
'"News on the next leg of the tour soon..." -SW'
UK pls
Anyone heard Vapour trail lullaby from the app yet? I'm sure I've heard another version of it before, did it get recycled into a BF song?
From Twitter:
'"News on the next leg of the tour soon..." -SW'
UK pls
Jackie I hope you're ready for some action.
I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.
I was usually getting pounded in the face by this huge, burly, rhinoceros-like scum of a child who was absolutely obsessed with Reznor
CUT RIBBON
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson
What they said :caffeine:
I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.
:lolI'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.
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OH LOOK IT'S MY OLD AVATARI'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.
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I've missed you buddy! :D
Hope everything is good with you, interesting interview as well.. can't wait for part 2. :)
I've missed you buddy! :D
Hope everything is good with you, interesting interview as well.. can't wait for part 2. :)
Haha yeah. Everything's good thanks. You?
I've been too busy to be on here tbh. Not been intentional.
Just picked up Grace for Drowning. I am extremely excited.
https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/porcupinetree.htm
I do everything using Logic TDM on a G5. I’m sure if I’d been born 10 years earlier I’d be more of an analogue guy, but I’ve learned to do things in the digital domain and feel comfortable that way. I love the flexibility of working on the computer, the total recall thing where you can work on a mix incrementally over a period of months.
https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/porcupinetree.htmQuoteI do everything using Logic TDM on a G5. I’m sure if I’d been born 10 years earlier I’d be more of an analogue guy, but I’ve learned to do things in the digital domain and feel comfortable that way. I love the flexibility of working on the computer, the total recall thing where you can work on a mix incrementally over a period of months.
I found this to be interesting. I wonder how many incomplete masterpieces he has hidden away, waiting to be completed..
So I've had Grace for Drowning for less then 4 days now and have already listened to it 6 times.
Its just does not get old.
Grace for Drowning is both the best album of the year and the best thing SW's ever done.Wait, best thing he's ever done? Did it turn into Deadwing somewhere down the line?
To be honest Deadwing would probably be towards the bottom of the list.i wouldn't place it too close to bottom, but i agree, just on a less extreme basis. it's mostly "Shallow" and "Halo" that write it off for me. i realize "Halo" is basically considered part of the 'classic PT' pantheon now (even by the band), but it's one of my least enjoyed tracks in the past decade of works. how those two made it on but "Half-Light" and "Mother and Child Divided" were left off flabberghasts me, especially considering SW agrees about HL.
it just... goes so wrong so fast with "Shallow" and "Halo" up front.
If there's any weak spot on Deadwing, then it's Lazarus.
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?
Probably
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?
Probably
Although I do think the last track is kind of weak, especially after Raider II.
Agreed!!Although I do think the last track is kind of weak, especially after Raider II.
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye?
Yeah it's only the second best song on the album after Deform to Form a Star. ???
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?I'm kinda disappointed, but I really need to listen to it more so it's really hard to say at this point.
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?I'm kinda disappointed, but I really need to listen to it more so it's really hard to say at this point.
It's definitely not as good as Insurgentes though.
:-\ Hope we still get the full concert. If they include Raider II, that only means there will be 40-45 minutes of other songs... and if they don't include Raider II, I will ragequit.
But really, hoping they will eventually release one of the full shows because the setlist was absolutely incredible and it would be a shame to not have copies of any of the songs.
Cannot wait for Deform to Form a Star live.
I got the Insurgentes documentary for Christmas. It was pretty good, but also this was the first time that SW kind of made me uncomfortable. Like he can be kind of weird at times. It was also the first time that I felt at odds with his sentiments about vinyl. Specifically when he starts getting mad about people listening to music on their phones.
I overall did like it and it revealed a bit more about his creativity and life. The man still is a genius. He just can be a bit odd at times
So guys, after Insurgentes semi-clicked for me a couple of months ago, today I decided to listen to it again and I'm glad to say it has fully clicked now. I listened to it three times in a row and I now believe it's better than Grace for Drowning. I'll try to get my hands on a 5.1 mix, I have the feeling I'm going to love this kind of music in surround format.
My take on the release of this new live CD from the solo shows is that he needs more money in order to take his solo band back on the road for more shows. This invariably means post-poning the next phase of Porcupine Tree.
So, in theory, anyone who buys this new release is helping to fund the death of PT. :biggrin:
srsly wtf
Stone him to death for his sins!
"He who hath double-posted shall be smited to the ground, smited with the very bones of the earth by his fellow man, none of whom shall show mercy."
it's in the bible
Ghosts on Magnetic Tape and Loss are probably the most accessible albums.
Cenotaph might also be worth your time, it came out just a few months ago. :)
The Necro Deathmort remix of Index is pretty badass..
I can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...
The Necro Deathmort remix of Index is pretty badass..
WAT
Where is this? I need to hear it now.
QuoteI can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...
QuoteI can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...
QuoteI can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...
GOD DAMMIT MY LONDON FRIENDS ARE GOING TO BE HERE
OH MY FUCKING GOD STEVE
ANNOUNCE ANOTHER UK SHOW THAT ISN'T AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING WEEK
I could go to the LA show maaayyyyybe but it's the first week of school...
Why wouldn't you go to the SF show Hayden?I have no car and don't know anyone wants to see SW around here who could help me out. So I have no means of getting there. With the LA show, it might be worth it to fly down for the weekend, where I could just borrow my parents' car. Unless...is anyone here from around the Davis/Sacramento area that would possibly be able to give me a ride? ;D
Why wouldn't you go to the SF show Hayden?I have no car and don't know anyone wants to see SW around here who could help me out. So I have no means of getting there. With the LA show, it might be worth it to fly down for the weekend, where I could just borrow my parents' car. Unless...is anyone here from around the Davis/Sacramento area that would possibly be able to give me a ride? ;D
Also, which show are you going to, Ian?
QuoteI can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...
GOD DAMMIT MY LONDON FRIENDS ARE GOING TO BE HERE
First spin and I definitely think Insurgentes is miles better.Well, you can stop listening now, because you have the right opinion already. :neverusethis:
One thing that annoys me about GFD is that out of all the amazing visuals and artwork surrounding it, they went with a really lackluster cover.I have no problem with the picture but the colors and tone of the cover I'm not a fan of. All that orange and yellow and black, yuck. The insurgentes picture is fine, but what I like about it is the kind of washed-out, dreary palette that it has. Reminds me of a David Fincher movie. Very moody and it fits the music very well, IMO.
There's nothing paticularly bad about it, but I'd have rathered something like this:
I think the cover matches the sound of the album perfectly.I wouldn't really argue that it does or doesn't (I don't have much of an opinion on that part really), just that I'm not a fan of it for the reasons I stated above.
GFD all the way.^yesh.
Hard to say. I feel a bit the same with Insurgentes, while I have no problem with any of the two album's cover, there are better pictures in the booklets. (IMO)Yeah this.
Oh well, if a southern California meetup doesn't happen I'll just go to the Seattle show.
I really, really hope they rerelease the Insurgentes book. It's always about $300 on ebay.
My GFD haul.
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Awesome! Is the limited edition box set worth getting? I think there are still some copies left at Newburry Comics. All I have is the CD.
How is it not sold out already? That's weird. Insurgentes sold out in just two weeks when it went on pre-order.
Is the special edition of GfD still available? o_O
I didn't have it when GfD came out but I have one now.
What does it cost? Might look into this, if I have the cash.
Let's get a list started.
LA Roll Call
H - probably going
TioJorge - probably going
bout to crash- probably going
:tup :caffeine: Lez go, peeps! It'd be so bonerific if this list was giant by the time the show comes around. Giant like a big ole' bean stalk that we can climb to see our very own private Steven Wilson show.Let's get a list started.
LA Roll Call
H - probably going
TioJorge - probably going
bout to crash- probably going
:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.Wait, so is that a no for LA? :(
Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
That chord change when the first chorus begins in Index is pretty much the most orgasm inducing sound ever. Fuck.
Wow that's annoying. I just thought he was a jokester on that DVD. He's lucky to be a part of PT history and shouldn't have felt the need to push it further.
I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.:hat
Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
I did NOT know you were a SW fan! That's awesome.I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.:hat
Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
If the only issue is that you'll be really tired at school the next day then what do you have to lose? It's a SW solo tour, do those happen often enough that you wouldn't want to go just because you wont get a good nights sleep the next day?
Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?
Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?
Yeah, as far as I know... and fairly cheap IMO. I think LA is $35 with fees.
Woo! I didn't buy anything at the last show but my dad got me a SW hoodie for xmas that I've worn the shit out of already. And I need to remember to buy myself a ticket tomorrow when I have a break at work and internet access (unlikely to happen at the same time) :|
Woo! I didn't buy anything at the last show but my dad got me a SW hoodie for xmas that I've worn the shit out of already. And I need to remember to buy myself a ticket tomorrow when I have a break at work and internet access (unlikely to happen at the same time) :|
ILL REMIND YOU JACKIE
That is awesome. So, seeing as it's GE, do you both want to do an early meetup, then get to the venue early to get a good spot?
Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?
Yeah, as far as I know... and fairly cheap IMO. I think LA is $35 with fees.
Holy hell, awesome. That means much merchandise will be bought! Awwwyeuuh. I have absolutely no SW merchandise so for one, I'm more than happy to pay the insanely overpriced tags; but it's also great knowing I can support the man, if indirectly.
God dammit I wish I could go to the LA show.:/
Within the course of one month, I'll be seeing Pain of Salvation, Agalloch and Steven Wilson live.
:lol, that link took me to tickets for all four shows. Try this?? https://www.livenation.com/event/09004838CD395106?artistid=1616063&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1I haven't bought a ticket yet. Do you expect this stuff to sell out? Do I need to jump on it? I still need to talk to my parents and figure out how I'm going to get there.
Hopefully it's nothing like GfD. I'd prefer he work on some new PT material.Yeah, I agree, sort of. I hope his next solo album is more Insurgentes-y than the semi-reheated King Crimson-lite of Grace For Drowning. Don't get me wrong, I loves me some King Crimson, but if I want to listen to that 'type' of music, I'll listen to the real thing.
I haven't bought a ticket yet. Do you expect this stuff to sell out? Do I need to jump on it? I still need to talk to my parents and figure out how I'm going to get there.
Good interview, even if Wilson seemed a bit crabby and short with his answers :lol, although that could have been the translation or whatever.
I'm curious. For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson?? I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.' It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.you'd have to be deaf not to hear KC all over it! "Raider II" is especially just... "Lizard," really, but far darker and less... pastoral / minstrel-esque. i think i hear more Red than Larks' Tongues, but those records (with Starless and Bible Black) are basically exploring the same sonic aspects anyway.
I'm curious. For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson?? I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.' It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.
Well, it's hard not to hear it, there are some guitar parts that sound identical to Pink Floyd as if they were just lifted right out. This is not a Time Flies kind of thing, where that's an homage (and honestly, I never would have noticed that if I hadn't read it here), but just pretty blatant, mostly because I noticed it and I'm quite shit at picking these things out myself.I'm curious. For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson?? I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.' It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.
Haven't heard a lick of King Crimson. As for the 'blatant ripoffs' in Voyage 34... I can't say I agree with that comment. As Wilson so eloquently stated in the interview, different people will hear different influences in any music they listen to; it's nearly uncontrollable based on our own influences in what we like and don't like and what we've heard throughout our lives. Obviously he's influenced by Pink Floyd, and I myself can hear influences by the band in nearly anything Wilson does, more-so given that I've heard too much Pink Floyd in my musical lifetime; but I think to say that he 'ripped off' Floyd is kind of ridiculous. An homage is one thing, ripping off an artist is a completely different story. But perhaps you didn't mean it that way... or maybe you did. Maybe I'm a descendant of a monkey. A very handsome monkey.
Yeah, GFD has King Crimson written all over it.
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.
I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.
I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.
The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.
As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.
I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.
The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.
As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.
You misunderstood nothing, that's exactly what he meant. But that doesn't mean it will never happen. The fact that they (or Wilson) agreed to not do a PT album for a while doesn't mean anything in terms of them breaking up or sticking together; plans to not do an album hardly means the end of a band. Remember, Portnoy wanted to take a break from doing DT material for a while and from what I understood completely intended to stay with the band, it didn't mean he wanted to break up with DT or to move on entirely; it was the rest of the band that had the problem with taking a break (and there is absolutely no chance of the rest of the band doing what DT did to Portnoy, clearly. So it's all on SW and while he isn't ecstatic about PT, that's because his focus is on his solo career).
I don't know why people keep saying PT is in jeopardy, PT is on the verge of breaking up, yadda yadda...simply because SW is focusing 100% on himself. There has been absolutely no concrete evidence to support a breakup whatsoever. SW is enjoying his solo career immensely right now, that might mean that, yes, PT will be taking a break for a while; the next year, two, maybe three years. But they will return, of that I have no doubt. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll announce a break up after SW's next album takes off, but I'd bet my left nut that it's a simple case of taking a break and the respective members enjoying doing their own thing, especially SW obviously. He's enjoying it and once he's through with all this touring and writing solo material, he'll take a break, and likely go back to PT and do his thing.
P.S. That obviously wasn't directed at you but more the people who keep droning on about how they're afraid PT is in jeopardy... I hate that show.
Prophecy complete!
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.
I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.
The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.
As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.
You misunderstood nothing, that's exactly what he meant. But that doesn't mean it will never happen. The fact that they (or Wilson) agreed to not do a PT album for a while doesn't mean anything in terms of them breaking up or sticking together; plans to not do an album hardly means the end of a band. Remember, Portnoy wanted to take a break from doing DT material for a while and from what I understood completely intended to stay with the band, it didn't mean he wanted to break up with DT or to move on entirely; it was the rest of the band that had the problem with taking a break (and there is absolutely no chance of the rest of the band doing what DT did to Portnoy, clearly. So it's all on SW and while he isn't ecstatic about PT, that's because his focus is on his solo career).
I don't know why people keep saying PT is in jeopardy, PT is on the verge of breaking up, yadda yadda...simply because SW is focusing 100% on himself. There has been absolutely no concrete evidence to support a breakup whatsoever. SW is enjoying his solo career immensely right now, that might mean that, yes, PT will be taking a break for a while; the next year, two, maybe three years. But they will return, of that I have no doubt. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll announce a break up after SW's next album takes off, but I'd bet my left nut that it's a simple case of taking a break and the respective members enjoying doing their own thing, especially SW obviously. He's enjoying it and once he's through with all this touring and writing solo material, he'll take a break, and likely go back to PT and do his thing.
P.S. That obviously wasn't directed at you but more the people who keep droning on about how they're afraid PT is in jeopardy... I hate that show.
Prophecy complete!
I didn't say they absolutely are in jeopardy, but artists finding success in solo projects often leads to things like this. Steven seems to very much enjoy having the artistic freedom to do what he wants with who he wants. He has said a few times he has to avoid certain ideas in PT because the other members don't like certain styles. Initially, the next PT album was supposed to be worked on this year, but it seems that has been indefinitely postponed. He has said on more than one occasion that he really is enjoying playing shows with his current band. It is very possible that PT will do another album, but the fact that it seems to be far from SW's mind at the moment isn't a good sign since it was his main project for two decades. SW used to simultaneously juggle projects, but since quitting Blackfield and ditching the PT plans for the year... pursuing a solo career doesn't seem impossible, and I don't think the idea of it should be immediately dismissed.
Again, this is all speculation. I'm not saying Porcupine Tree is done, but I think it IS very possible and it's not like things such as this are unheard of. Sometimes musicians feel like a band has gone as far as it could go. Grace for Drowning was critically acclaimed among prog communities, so that is certainly a bit of incentive to make the solo project his "main" project. I think it will all depend on how the next tour/album go. It is very possible that SW just wants to move on to the next project. He accomplished a lot with Porcupine Tree and maybe he just wants to try something new now, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that (other than the fact that PT is my favorite band of course).
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.
I stand corrected :)
When did SW leave Blackfield, I know they postponed some show because his father died but he said he was done with BF?
...just to clarify news elsewhere of a new Blackfield album coming this year – please note that this time my involvement will be as a contributor rather than a member. I will still be mixing the album, and maybe sing on a couple of Aviv’s songs (there will be other guest singers I understand), but with my complete blessing Blackfield is now under his sole curatorship, a process which really began with Welcome to My DNAhttps://starsdie.com/wp/fourth-blackfield-album-coming-this-year/
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.
I stand corrected :)
When did SW leave Blackfield, I know they postponed some show because his father died but he said he was done with BF?
I don't have a link but it should be fairly new in the Blackfield therad; but yeah it's confirmed 100%. He might be involved in future projects in production and such but he's "left the project in Aviv's hands". We will hear him no more on the Blackfield records more than likely; perhaps a 'cameo' of sorts here or there in the future but even then I doubt it. Which means I have absolutely no interest in the project anymore. Not like I liked their last effort anyway but... Yeah, a bit sad. But not really for me. After Blackfield II I all but forgot about the group.
Nevermind I do have a link:Quote...just to clarify news elsewhere of a new Blackfield album coming this year – please note that this time my involvement will be as a contributor rather than a member. I will still be mixing the album, and maybe sing on a couple of Aviv’s songs (there will be other guest singers I understand), but with my complete blessing Blackfield is now under his sole curatorship, a process which really began with Welcome to My DNAhttps://starsdie.com/wp/fourth-blackfield-album-coming-this-year/
No I always knew he was planning on SW#3. I thought I gave a link because he said he was doing it a in an interview a couple weeks ago.
And hey, where are you seeing which seat you have? I bought my ticket and I don't see anything about seats...
I don't know about the House Of Blues that you're going to but the one here in Florida is GA
Buy a ticket for a buddy and bring 'em along! (buy it from me)
I think I'll be able to go to the SF show if I can figure out the train thing.
Earplugs necessary for clarity?
Quick question for those that saw the SW show...how much care went into the volume of the music? I'm got quite sensitive ears. Sigz, for reference, I would consider the Eisley show 'too loud'.
new Q&A: https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-2012-community-qa-steven-answers-your-questions/ (https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-2012-community-qa-steven-answers-your-questions/)Awesome questions. So glad to hear that he plans on rereleasing all the BC albums someday.
Quick question for those that saw the SW show...how much care went into the volume of the music? I'm got quite sensitive ears. Sigz, for reference, I would consider the Eisley show 'too loud'.
A question to those of you who saw him on the first leg of the tour.
https://starsdie.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SW-gasmask.jpg this picture got me a bit intrigued, does he actually wear the mask as a part of the concert? or is it just from one random show? :P
Sounds badass. :lol
What kind of things did he have at the merchandise?
I will most likely pick up a T-shirt, but I'm a bit more curious in music-products, like if he sold any "rare" things, or anything from the side-projects, like Bass Communion or anything.
I have pretty much all of the "standard" SW-related stuff, but I know Postcard was released as a single (though I don't know if it was just as a download), and when it comes to Bass Communion I only have Cenotaph due to being hard to get a hold of stuff.
I can imagine that he will sell the live album/DVD or whatever in the spring, and I will most likely pick that up, but really interested in other CD-releases that might be hard to get a hold of, apart from at the shows. :P
What does anyone think Stevens chances of coming to Australia are? :(
...when it comes to Bass Communion I only have Cenotaph due to being hard to get a hold of stuff.
It's so disappointing that Steven is turning his back on Porcupine Tree. I really don't get anywhere near as excited for his solo records as I do for PT. Oh well. :chill
Since he mentions that SW3 will be out in early 2013, then a new PT probably won't be out until second half of 2013 at earliest. And that's 4 years since The Incident, so the gap has become a bit bigger.
Not that I'm complaining, if they're doing a new PT, then I'd much rather have something really good and "new", then The Incident part 2.
Not sure if this is common knowledge, but apparently "Veneno Para Las Hadas" translates as "Poison for a Fairy".
Anyone else got their copy of Cataloue / Preserve / Amass yet? Mine arrived yesterday, it's pretty coolI got mine yesterday too, but I have a friend here over the weekend, so will probably not get the chance to listen to it until tomorrow earliest.
3 songs to introduce a 'casual' PT fan. Go.
What are some albums like Ghosts on Magnetic Tape and Cenotaph? I think they're awesome but apparently there's other artists who do the same thing but better.
Has anyone else heard Pat Mastelotto's IndexTwentyTwelve?I have made it a point to buy anything GFD-related, including the deulxe edition, C/P/A and the Postcard EP. I don't have an iPod Touch or an iPhone. :(
More and more I'm realizing how great No Part of Me is. It's risen to the a very solid position of #1 on GFD, even above Deform and Raider. It might even be better than everything off Insurgentes (maybe not the title track).
I'm beginning to think it might be one of the best things Steven's ever done. It's so incredible.
Haven't seen this mentioned but Catalogue/Preserve/Amass is getting a vinyl release for Record Store Day 2012 on April 21st, limited to 2000 copies worldwide. Worth picking up right?not imo – it's only got half the album!
OHHHHHHHHH BOY HERE WE GO!!! I'm going to California tomorrow for the first time since a kid, and this time Saturday I will be discreetly fapping it to the fact that I'm seeing and hearing my godly godship right in front of me. Bet your ass I shall be there early as can be to get myself a good seat. SO, SO FUCKING EXCITETRUCK!! I cannot wait, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. OH, STEVE! Wooootrz! GFD time to prepare for the awesomeness.I'll be seeing her in a couple of hours, got a message that needs passing?
Anyone else still going to the show? Jackie? Where art thou, Jackie!?
According to setlist.fm, SW played a new song called "A Sign of Things to Come" a few nights ago. Interesting.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2012/house-of-blues-west-hollywood-ca-7bde0e64.html
According to setlist.fm, SW played a new song called "A Sign of Things to Come" a few nights ago. Interesting.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2012/house-of-blues-west-hollywood-ca-7bde0e64.html
Interesting... I thought he was just saying that to the audience like, "This is what to expect", but that's badass too. :lol
Here is the new song, Luminol, live:
https://soundcloud.com/thechrisgregory/luminol
Pretty good quality, and a helluva tune. I already can't wait for the next SW solo album. :coolio
Here is the new song, Luminol, live:
https://soundcloud.com/thechrisgregory/luminol
Pretty good quality, and a helluva tune. I already can't wait for the next SW solo album. :coolio
:hefdaddy
i never really heard this guy.
where should i start? which album?
i checked out few songs by porcupine tree and they sounded pretty avrage to me.i never really heard this guy.
where should i start? which album?
Not familiar with any of his projects? Porcupine Tree is pretty known around here. :P
If you want to check his solo stuff out he has two albums, Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning. While they are both Progressive in their own ways, I'd say the first is a bit more influenced by Drone/Noise and the second more influenced by Jazz/Fusion, and has been compared with King Crimson a bit. I think both are brilliant, so it's preferences really.
That new track is pretty much where I want Steven to go at this point. The more experimental sides are great, but two albums worth has me craving something with at least a tad more structure, fantastic track.
That new track is pretty much where I want Steven to go at this point. The more experimental sides are great, but two albums worth has me craving something with at least a tad more structure, fantastic track.Agreed.
Go listen to these songs in order: Blackest Eyes, Trains, Lips of Ashes, The Sound of Muzak, Gravity Eyelids.It was really nice acutally...
Go listen to these songs in order: Blackest Eyes, Trains, Lips of Ashes, The Sound of Muzak, Gravity Eyelids.It was really nice acutally...
I was espicially impressed by Gravity Eyelids.
Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that. :tup :tupDevin Townsend is like that too!!!
Luminol seems to be the closest SW has ever sounded to bands like Genesis, Yes, and Spock's Beard for the first half of the song.I haven't heard it yet, but that sounds very promising.
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured. I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates. Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that. :tup :tup
I don't think we should encourage the "making the same album 30 times in your career"-way that some artists are doing.
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured. I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates. Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that. :tup :tup
We should applaud him for following his heart, but we should only be embracing him if we like what he's doing. I appreciate his motives, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the results.
I don't think we should encourage the "making the same album 30 times in your career"-way that some artists are doing.
i find it ironic to see that sentence in a dream theater forum.
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured. I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates. Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that. :tup :tup
We should applaud him for following his heart, but we should only be embracing him if we like what he's doing. I appreciate his motives, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the results.
No one says you have to enjoy the results, but saying what I bolded above is silly, IMO. Basically you are saying, "I will not support a musician following his heart if I do not like what it sounds like." That is silly.
For example, I am not overly fond of Radiohead's last album (I like it, but don't love it), but I give them props for going a different route once again (going minimalist like that) instead of repeating themselves again.
Rush is another good example. Many did not like them going the route they did post-Moving Pictures, but you at least had to give them mad props for not continually repeating themselves, which they easily could have done following the success of MP.
To be honest I didn't have DT in mind with my post, but they're not exactly the "we have evolved loads"-kind of band. Some people might say that ToT is a heavier album or that FII is a more prog album, but to me they're a band that found their "sound" and have been sticking to it.
There are far more worse examples. AC/DC for example, what is it.. 15-20 same albums? :biggrin:
I send a lol in the general direction of those who assume everyone here actually thinks that Dream Theater has been remaking the same album for 15 years just because they've "moved on".
even if this is a DT forum there are a lot of people here that no longer listen to them and are often critic of their output (myself included though I try to just not talk about them).
Is it just me or is Steven Wilson's solo work not THAT experimental? I listened to Grace for Drowning yesterday and noticed a lot of SW trademarks.
even if this is a DT forum there are a lot of people here that no longer listen to them and are often critic of their output (myself included though I try to just not talk about them).
Curious about this. Approximately when did this happen? Was it a certain album or run of albums that caused people to sour on them?
Is it just me or is Steven Wilson's solo work not THAT experimental? I listened to Grace for Drowning yesterday and noticed a lot of SW trademarks.Not really.
I'm going to see him tonight, very excited! :)
It's just a choice with the mix. It's more of a jazz mix in that sense. I love it personally.
It's interesting how people (not you specifically Zantera) complain about the loudness war and mixing/mastering the dynamics out of music and then when you hear a good example of that being taken out you complain you have to use your volume knobs.
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.
I do, it's where I do 90% of my listening, but GFD isn't the best driving music anyways.It's interesting how people (not you specifically Zantera) complain about the loudness war and mixing/mastering the dynamics out of music and then when you hear a good example of that being taken out you complain you have to use your volume knobs.
Well, generally I don't really use the volume knobs during an album. When I start it, I put it on a volume that works, and with Grace For Drowning at home it isn't a problem, because I hear the quiet parts and I hear the loud parts. It's only a problem in the car, because I have to crank it up really high if I want to hear the quiet parts of Raider II, and if I have to "adjust" by turning the knob, I have to do it 5-6 times during the song. :P
But it's no problem really, how many people listen to music in the car? Pfft.
But wouldn't it be great if they invented a way to get the CD to do that for you?I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.
This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult. :lol
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.
This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult. :lol
'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."
Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.
Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.
Well, if you're drying on the highway the quiet parts are barely audible. Then again, it was also in a car with crappy speakers and Bath is just one of those CDs that has to be listened to with full attention. idk, it didn't work for me in the car.
But wouldn't it be great if they invented a way to get the CD to do that for you?I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.
This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult. :lol
Compression is popular for a very, very good reason. It's not 'cos the industry's composed of artless jerks. It's 'cos uncompressed music is a massive pain in the neck for pretty much anyone who doesn't have a soundproof room for listening to music. It's irritating if you're trying to play it on the radio, or if anyone in the house is asleep, or if you're using headphones, or, yes, if you're driving -- it's incredibly inconvenient. It's a sliding scale, yeah, and just as there's such a thing as too little compression there's definitely such a thing as too much. But as soon as you make the decision not to compress an album, you're aiming it squarely at audiophiles, and... well, that's just about it, actually.
It's the difference between making an album designed to be played in the real world, and an album designed to be played in a vacuum. An uncompressed album sounds absolutely great on the off-chance you can shut off all other senses and listen to it in total silence, but in the mad, noisy real world, how often are listeners going to be able to do that - or even going to want to?
'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."
Then again, that's from an ex-radio broadcaster who likes to put music on when I'm going to sleep. There is nothing fun about getting out of bed every couple of seconds and traipsing across the room to play with a volume knob 'cos the artist daren't possibly compromise his art. Nor is there anything fun about playing the majority of a song at half the standard volume just 'cos there's a loud bit at the end and the artist was worried it wouldn't be erratic enough. Frankly, I love a bit of compression, me, and I wish people on the internet would stop going on about it like it's the devil. It's not there for stupid people, or for people who don't understand art - it's there for people who don't have a soundproof room or an hour in the day to spend there.
Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.
Well, if you're drying on the highway the quiet parts are barely audible. Then again, it was also in a car with crappy speakers and Bath is just one of those CDs that has to be listened to with full attention. idk, it didn't work for me in the car.
Ah. I was driving through the forest when I spinned it. The highway is not good for some music styles, I can't imagine ambient or minimalistic music, or music with very quiet quiet-parts. The "buzz" from driving on the highway and the other traffic, takes away some of the sound sadly.
I hear a lot of what you are saying, but there is nothing wrong with an artist like Wilson making a 100% selfish decision as far as how his music sounds. And people go on about compression like it is the devil because many artists go overboard with it, and it often cripples the overall sound. For example, I love Muse, but the great majority of their music is compressed so much that if I am listening to different artists on random play and a song of theirs comes on, more often than not, the stifling effect of all of the compression they used is so aggravating, I will often skip over the song, even if it is one of theirs I really love. Basically, Muse is a band I need to listen to on their own and not amongst other artists. On the flip side, during those random play sessions, whenever a song comes on involving any of Steven Wilson projects (PT, solo, Blackfield, etc.), it becomes even more obvious how great his stuff sounds and how much attention he puts in to making his music sound as good and as dynamic as possible. This is a good thing. :tup :tupOh, totally! And everyone's tolerance threshold is set somewhere different -- but if any album was built for low compression, it was Grace for Drowning, totally. And I'd be one of the first people to say that too much compression is a bad thing. It eliminates emphasis, turns everything into a uniform wall of noise. I'd also say that undercompression is more easily remedied than overcompression. If something's undercompressed, you can slap a bit more on with Audacity. If something's overcompressed, it's destroyed. So it's a perfectly sensible thing to be annoyed with.
Not seen the waveforms, but the title track comes to mind in particular, 'cos I've listened to it at night and had to keep getting up to fiddle with the volume. Volume too low, ambient noise would drown out the acoustic bits. Volume too high, I'd run the risk of waking the house up. Which is precisely the reason compression exists in the first place.I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.
This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult. :lol
'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."
I do realize that there is too much of a contrast between loud and quiet parts for some people on "Grace For Drowning", but Fear Of a Blank Planet? For me, that is a perfect example of compromising quality and practicality. Besides some parts at the end of My Ashes and Anesthetize everything is reasonable loud, and those 2 parts I mentioned are more of an outro to the songs that would make absolutely no sense to have louder. It's more of a way too calm down in between songs than an actual part of the song, imo. And then, FOABP and Images and Words have about the same dynamic range (which is what all those audiophiles are going on about). I can listen to FOABP when I walk to school along a rather noisy street in the morning, and I still hear pretty much everything in the songs.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your post and you didn't mean to say that FOABP was too quiet.
I tried Bath in the car last week, equally horrible. Some stuff just isn't meant to be listened to in a car..
I hear a lot of what you are saying, but there is nothing wrong with an artist like Wilson making a 100% selfish decision as far as how his music sounds. And people go on about compression like it is the devil because many artists go overboard with it, and it often cripples the overall sound. For example, I love Muse, but the great majority of their music is compressed so much that if I am listening to different artists on random play and a song of theirs comes on, more often than not, the stifling effect of all of the compression they used is so aggravating, I will often skip over the song, even if it is one of theirs I really love. Basically, Muse is a band I need to listen to on their own and not amongst other artists. On the flip side, during those random play sessions, whenever a song comes on involving any of Steven Wilson projects (PT, solo, Blackfield, etc.), it becomes even more obvious how great his stuff sounds and how much attention he puts in to making his music sound as good and as dynamic as possible. This is a good thing. :tup :tupOh, totally! And everyone's tolerance threshold is set somewhere different -- but if any album was built for low compression, it was Grace for Drowning, totally. And I'd be one of the first people to say that too much compression is a bad thing. It eliminates emphasis, turns everything into a uniform wall of noise. I'd also say that undercompression is more easily remedied than overcompression. If something's undercompressed, you can slap a bit more on with Audacity. If something's overcompressed, it's destroyed. So it's a perfectly sensible thing to be annoyed with.
What I'm mostly bothered by is the way it's become a sort of catchphrase criticism. The attitude, in very broad strokes, tends to be that uncompressed music is High Art™ for Sophisticated Listeners™ whereas compressed music is slop for pigs. Which is, if you'll pardon my french, a load of old bollocks. A sensible artist will go for all things in moderation. Undercompressed music is frequently every bit as irritating as overcompressed music. Undercompression doesn't, by definition, make everything sound nice any more than overcompression makes it sound nice. There are places for both, (and, again, GfD is absolutely one of them,) but it's so situational that I think there is a lot of misplaced ire against an absolutely cracking bit of music tech.
So I would argue that "as dynamic as possible" is not necessarily synonymous with "a good thing" any more than "as flat as possible" is. A bit of balance would be a fine thing. (In Absentia or Deadwing, for example, are much easier listens than FoaBP for the sake of a bit of compression!)
While I can tell the difference between compressed tracks, I'm not sure I can say I've ever listened to something and been like "god this is too compressed". It just doesn't register with me.
Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Just watched it...amazing. I hope more of SW3 is like this. I enjoyed GFD more than Insurgentes, but both are still pretty hard to get in to. "Luminol", however, kept my interest!
-Marc.
We do?
Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Just watched it...amazing. I hope more of SW3 is like this. I enjoyed GFD more than Insurgentes, but both are still pretty hard to get in to. "Luminol", however, kept my interest!
Yeah, but Luminol sounds like something that could be off GFD. It's not really a new direction.We do?
This most recent leg of the tour has heard a song from the upcoming album.Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Yeah, but Luminol sounds like something that could be off GFD. It's not really a new direction.We do?
This most recent leg of the tour has heard a song from the upcoming album.Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
All the links to Luminol are dead.Steven has been on the ball taking these links down. Makes me proud.
Got a copy of the uber super deluxe Grace for Drowning today, Burning Shed had a few in stock :)
I think the cover is pretty awesome and represents tour pretty well.Its not terrible but I prefer the "organic" orange/black covers from Insurgentes/Grace For Drowning. The C/P/A cover was pretty cool as well.
I think the cover is pretty awesome and represents tour pretty well.
The drums sound very raw, so I hope they do something about that, but otherwise it seems really good!i doubt it — this, combined with SW's lacklustre live distorted guitar tone on basically every live album, instantly drops my interest in buying this release.
Steven Wilson - Official page
Here is the first preview video from the forthcoming "Get All You Deserve" DVD/Blu-ray to be released by Kscope on 25th September. This performance of Harmony Korine was filmed at the Teatro Metropolitan in Mexico City on 13th April - the DVD/Blu-Ray will include the whole 2 hour performance, and a special edition will also include the show on 2 audio CDs. We have launched a brand new official SW YouTube channel along with this video, so head to the channel and subscribe to be informed of future videos. The special edition DVD/Blu-Ray/2 CD version is now available to pre-order from Burning Shed: www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson (https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzs068VEoeo&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzs068VEoeo&feature=plcp)
"HI folks - an update of sorts.... The writing for the next SW album is almost finished, and this time I've written it all for my live band to play, mostly pretty long pieces (including the piece we previewed on the recent tour "Luminol"). We will start recording in LA in September with Alan Parsons overseeing things. Alan, as I'm sure many of you know, was the engineer on Dark Side of the Moon, one of the best sounding records ever. The new album should be out in early 2013, and conceptually and visually we are planning to take things to the next level with the packaging and live show too. Lasse is also going to be there to film so we plan to bring you some in the studio footage on the official SW YouTube channel. Just a reminder that at the moment you can watch a preview from the forthcoming SW band live DVD/Blu-ray "Get All You Deserve" on the channel, follow the link below...."Sounds good!! :tup I am sure it will blow everything else to the ground that he has done (solo wise). I hope he just condenses all the material into one album this time though. Don't get me wrong I love double albums but I don't want it to become something we will always expect from the guy.
Excellent news. :tup :tup
Great news indeed, but after that I'd like Steven to turn to PT again.
I prefer if he keeps with his solo stuff - I find it more interesting.
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar
His style live is stiff and intense, I've noticed. Minimal body motions, but intense facial expressions. Everything is very purposeful and intentional - he's not the guy that will let go.
Just watched that Luminol clip.
I have no idea what the fuck happened. I guess it was pretty awesome, though. :lol And yeah, Steven's really acting different. He looks like conductor most of the time, waving his hands and moving around the stage from one member to another. It looks fun. ;D
Oh, right, because live performances compromise artistic integrity.I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
Oh, right, because live performances compromise artistic integrity.I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
Well, part of going to a live performance is to see, well, a performance. Criticisms of Steven being stiff are entirely justified IMO. If I just wanted to listen to the music, I have the album for that.Oh, right, because live performances compromise artistic integrity.I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar
I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
What? All I'm saying is that artist's need to do what they need to do. Who cares if Steven is "stiff"? That's just a superficial, nitpicky criticism.
the difference being that SW isn't there to perform. the emphasis is on creating and producing and engineering with him, whereas an example like Freddie Mercury was all about performing. the difference is vast and obvious — there's nothing composed in the PT/SW canon designed for a performance spectacle, which is why the live show is about visuals accompanying the music rather than the individuals on stage (though he's made the show more focal on his backing musicians at points, at least compared to PT).
Anyone else get their Get All You Deserve Blu-Ray (or DVD) yet? I got mine today. I watched a few songs and they looked pretty sweet. Will watch the whole thing sometime in the next week with a friend on his super-duper big screen. :hat
Just finished watching the DVD - AMAZING show, great shots and awesome performances, and you really get a feel of how cinematic the whole concert experience is, especially with how little Steven talks between songs (if at all, I think the only time was before "Raider II"). Every performer on the stage is incredible, and watching this DVD has me hyped up for SW's third solo album, because this band is stellar.
-Marc.
Marco recently posted a new video for the new Steven Wilson album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYcnNdStvHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYcnNdStvHE)
So far it sounds pretty nice
Up to Korine on the blu-ray and this has already been absolutely mind-blowing.
Recording for the next Steven Wilson album has wrapped in Los Angeles, and you can see clips of the recording sessions (still being added to) over on the official SW YouTube page.
There is still some work to do before work is complete, but the provisional track listing (subject to change) for the as yet untitled album is as follows:
1. The Holy Drinker (10.00)
2. Drive Home (8.00)
3. Luminol (12.00)
4. The Watchmaker (12.00)
5. The Pin Drop (5.00)
6. The Raven That Refused to Sing (8.00)
The album will be released towards the end of February on KScope in an array of formats (including a very special deluxe edition) and will contain 5 or 6 lengthy pieces. The line up on the album is SW (vocals, guitars, keyboards), Guthrie Govan (lead guitar), Adam Holzman (piano, Fender Rhodes, Hammond organ, Moog), Theo Travis (flutes, saxes), Nick Beggs (bass guitar, stick), Marco Minnemann (drums). The sessions in LA were engineered by legendary producer / engineer Alan Parsons.
1. The Holy Drinker (10.00)
2. Drive Home (8.00)
3. Luminol (12.00)
4. The Watchmaker (12.00)
5. The Pin Drop (5.00)
6. The Raven That Refused to Sing (8.00)
Definitely will be contender for Album Of The Year for 2013, even though it's coming out so early, but the end of February is fine by mine - just in time for my birthday!What, have you listened to it already?
Definitely will be contender for Album Of The Year for 2013, even though it's coming out so early, but the end of February is fine by mine - just in time for my birthday!What, have you listened to it already?
Can't wait to put it on my Ipod.
Give him this: https://www.amazon.com/ION-Profile-LP-Vinyl-to-MP3-Turntable/dp/B0029QRA1U
And run.
However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.
However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.
Why would you say that? The whole album has a pretty consistent sound and style to me.
However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.
Why would you say that? The whole album has a pretty consistent sound and style to me.
Oh no it is very consistent. I have no real way of explaining it to be honest. And it's not a negative thing at all, just an observation. It feels like more a greatest hits album would, in that the songs were written for their own purposes and kind of later on thrown together for an album.
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.
So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.
So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.
I tried putting Grace for drowning on my mobile phone, so that I could listen to it in buses and stuff. It just didn't work out. It's an album to listen to at home, with absolutely nothing distracting you.
It's... not a very good driving album IMO. I found it was a much more enjoyable listen at home with headphones, though still not very spectacular. I don't think I've listened to it since '11.Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.
So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.
I absolutely adore listening to this album on long night drives. It's spectacular and always an experience depending on the scenery. It's not the most accessible music though, that's for sure. It's still one of my favorite albums in a long time and I can't wait for the follow up.
Not in my car. Granted, I drive a Toyota Hybrid so it's extremely quiet, both outside and inside. It obviously sounds better in an environment built to listen to that type of music, but I've listened to it in enough controlled settings to know how it sounds when it's played in an optimal environment and compared it to when I listen to it while driving and it's not bad enough to warrant not listening to it; it's not much of a difference. Either way, it's good for me and my car stereo; can't say for others.
Watched that Blu-Ray at a friend's last night in 5.1 on his big screen TV. All I can say is... :hefdaddy :hefdaddyWatching it live was equally awesome :D :D
Seriously.
That moment in Sectarian when the curtain in front of the stage finally comes down is beyond awesome.
We all must bow and kneel to the greatness of Steven Wilson. :biggrin:
Watching it live was equally awesome :D :D
What I usually dislike about live music is that it usually isn't as clean and crisp as studio music - there's always the odd cracking voice, sloppy guitar, whatever. In this case, the music is absolutely flawless but they still manage to instill some additional energy to the songs, they sound even better than the CD. The most obvious example for me is Index which is a nice song on the record but live they make it a lot groovier and a lot darker.
A special mention should go to Minnemann, who stormed into my favorite drummers with the DT auditions video and has cemented himself in the top 3 with this release. What an awesome guy, I love how he looks so effortless and happy all the time.
So I wanted to try No-Man and I groovesharked Together We're Stranger. This is strikingly beautiful, I guess more of my money is going Stevie's way pretty soon.
Any recs on which No-Man album I should try next?
Can't find the PT thread.
Octane Twisted is out, though. It it just me, or is Steve not promoting this at all?
This release must be to PT what Chaos in Motion was to DT. Roadrunner just wanting something to put out.
What an amazing trio of albums this man will have once he releases this last one (I'm assuming last one before tacking a break with his solo career to move back to PT...perhaps).
The new album by Steven Wilson and band “The Raven that Refused to Sing (and other stories)” will be released on Kscope on 25th February. The album was written between January-July and recorded in Los Angeles in September with Steven’s current band line up of Guthrie Govan – lead guitar, Nick Beggs – bass guitar, Marco Minnemann – drums, Adam Holzman – keyboards, Theo Travis – saxophone / flute and engineered by legendary producer/engineer Alan Parsons.
(https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SW-featured-post2.jpg)
The 6 tracks on the album are based on stories of the supernatural and the deluxe 4 disc edition comes in the form of a 128 page hardback book containing lyrics and ghost stories, illustrated by Hajo Mueller. There will also be stand alone double vinyl, CD and Blu-Ray editions. Pre-orders for the limited deluxe edition will start soon, while the tour to promote the album starts on 1st March in Europe, and will continue throughout the rest of the year visiting many other countries, with many dates yet to be announced.
Track listing:
1. Luminol (12.10)
2. Drive Home (7.37)
3. The Holy Drinker (10.13)
4. The Pin Drop (5.03)
5. The Watchmaker (11.43)
6. The Raven that Refused to Sing (7.57)
(https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/TheRavenThatRefusedToSing_Medium.jpg)
Video clips of the band recording the album, as well as a live performance of opening track Luminol (taken from the recently released Get All You Deserve concert Blu-Ray/DVD), can be found on SW’s official YouTube channel.
Yeah, did they really need the (and other stories) in there? :lol
I skipped on the super deluxe editions of Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning for the same reasons, and usually only get SW's super-deluxe editions if they include exclusive DVD or CD material, although his first two solo albums DID come with extra music, I've read that they weren't really that much to write home about. Of course, if Steven felt that those songs were worthy to hear, he would've included them on the main album to begin with, am I right?The bonus songs were OK. Good, but nothing compared the main songs on the album. They're interesting though.
-Marc.
The bonus songs were OK. Good, but nothing compared the main songs on the album. They're interesting though.
I skipped on the super deluxe editions of Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning for the same reasons, and usually only get SW's super-deluxe editions if they include exclusive DVD or CD material, although his first two solo albums DID come with extra music, I've read that they weren't really that much to write home about. Of course, if Steven felt that those songs were worthy to hear, he would've included them on the main album to begin with, am I right?The bonus songs were OK. Good, but nothing compared the main songs on the album. They're interesting though.
-Marc.
The album cover is terrible. And the album title is also terrible.
TRTRTS
The album cover reminds me of this:
*snip*
(ignore the text, it's about the face)
Well, the album title is somewhat fascinating to me, while the artwork surely isn't.
Even though I hate SW I will be surely getting this record on day one, to see if he finally starts redeeming himself :lol
It really is... also piano in Twilight ftw. Is that Rudess? I vaguely remember it being. Damnit now I'm listening to SW again instead of Mars Volta.
:lol Alternate album title: Dawn Of The First Day (72 Hours Remain)Haha, nice.
Insurgentes > Grace for Drowning
But neither album is nearly as great as the best PT releases IMO.
To be fair, the lyrics are, by definition, nonsense. SW said he just threw words together with no intended meaning.That's exactly what I meant.
by the end I was pitching a tent.:lol
Yeah same. Salvaging would come in as nr 2.Same actually. Either that or Venemo.
It's this time of year where I get a major, pulsating, blood-vessel-bursting hard on for Wilson/PT/Akerfeldt/Opeth.
STEVEN’S TOP ALBUMS OF 2012
10th December 2012
Kreng - Works For Abattoir Fermé
Vatican Shadow – Kneel Before Religious Icons
Vatican Shadow - Ornamented Walls
Swans - The Seer
Cut Hands - Black Mamba
Thomas Koner - Novaya Zemlya
Marillion - Sounds that Can’t be Made
Use of Ashes - White Nights: Flake of Eternity
Shearwater – Animal Joy
Arvo Part - Adam’s Lament
36 - Lithea
Monolake – Ghosts
Scott Walker - Bish Bosch
X-TG - Desertshore / The Final Report
Eleh - The Weight of Accumulation
Container - LP2
SW's hipsterometer reading is through the roof! :rollinIt's pretty much always been like that. :lol
Yeah, I've only ever heard of two of the bands on that list. I'll be sure to download all of these immediately and put the playlist on shuffle.(https://media.blurt-online.com/EI5YQduuUCbS_m.jpg)
Someone really has to photoshop that floor into a sky. :lol
His next release:Someone really has to photoshop that floor into a sky. :lol
It needs to move sideways too.
::waits::::keeps waiting::
:caffeine:
He IS tiny!
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/381880_553910053480_873148960_n.jpg)
I could break that motherfucker in half.
:heart
The new album "The Raven that Refused to Sing (and other stories)" is now available to pre-order in 4 different formats from Burning Shed:
The deluxe edition comes in the form of a 128 page book, illustrated by Hajo Mueller, and features lyrics and ghost stories. It includes the 6 track 55 minute album on one CD, an exclusive additional CD of demo versions (which themselves are full band studio recordings effectively presenting a full alternate version of the album, with different performances, solos and ideas), a Blu-Ray including high resolution 96K/24bit stereo, 96/24 instrumental versions, a 5.1 surround sound mix also at 96/24, photo galleries and additional artwork, and a studio documentary filmed by Lasse Hoile (some of which has already been previewed on the SW youtube channel). A DVDV is also included for those without Blu-Ray players, although this does not include the instrumental versions and the 5.1 mix is a DTS compressed version. This limited edition 4 disc deluxe book edition is presently available for a special early bird price.
There are also standalone Blu-Ray, CD/DVDV and 2LP vinyl editions.
Dutch and German fans; please note that the deluxe edition will also be available shortly from local mail order companies, so if you hang on for details on that you may save a lot on international shipping.
Nice! Definitely going to get the 2-CD edition. I wish I could get the vinyl as well but I don't think I'll be getting my turntable till after Christmas, and I really want to pre-order it like...now. Awesome stuff, that's very intriguing to hear that they have a completely separate album with a different view of the songs. February can't get here fast enough.
I don't own a single blu-ray, but oddly enough own a blu-ray player so this will be the first one.
Same here! I may need to get one since I really want to see the studio documentary.I don't own a single blu-ray, but oddly enough own a blu-ray player so this will be the first one.
Ironically, I have a few Blu-Rays from special/limited/deluxe editions of albums, but no Blu-Ray player!!! :rollin
-Marc.
Man, the shipping cost for the deluxe is almost $30! Fuck...I hope they sell it through Newbury Comics in the US like GFD. I'm not sure I want to pay that much for shipping.
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:Seriously, two shows in both Sweden and Norway last tour and one in both this tour, and no Finland at all! I suppose I have to go to Sweden this time...
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:Seriously, two shows in both Sweden and Norway last tour and one in both this tour, and no Finland at all! I suppose I have to go to Sweden this time...
I just can't believe he is coming back to Minneapolis. Mind you, it's at The Fine Line, which is usually a place that holds weddings and is a dance club, but hey, I'm so frickin' pumped!
He hasn't been back here since the Deadwing Tour
He's actually fucking coming to Colorado!! :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:And isn't the Fox again thankfully. That place was really getting too small for PT. Though I really wish he would go to Denver since Boulder is a bit more of a drive. Even more for me now that I've moved back to Colorado Springs. He could easily play the Ogden.
And isn't the Fox again thankfully. That place was really getting too small for PT. Though I really wish he would go to Denver since Boulder is a bit more of a drive. Even more for me now that I've moved back to Colorado Springs. He could easily play the Ogden.
I'm beginning to suspect that musicians (even Canadian ones) think that 'Canada' consists entirely of Toronto and Montreal. One show in Atlantic Canada, that's all I ask.
*masterbates furiously*
Nine Cats doesn't seem that logical to me. I don't know, but with the musicians he has it feels more logical that it is a song which leaves more room open for improvisation/altering the studio-version.
Something like Nostalgia Factory, It Will Rain For a Million Years or Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape?
Nah, it's got to be Nine Cats. That one used to get requested all the time on the TSMS tour.
Not yet according to the site.. so far all of Europe's dates are on sale, and the five aforementioned US/Canada ones. Rest of US and Mexico still (impatiently) waiting :caffeine:
Or Nine Cats, because that song kicks seven rainbows of arse.
=Or Nine Cats, because that song kicks seven rainbows of arse.
The acoustic version is the best version
It would be awesome if The Nostalgia Factory were that song, as that song would fit in well with the vibe of his other solo stuff. With normal-sounding vocals this time, of course. :lolLike this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UWLboP-HhM)
Just listened to the new album. Phenomenal as expected. My favorites tracks are probably the title track and The Watchmaker, but the whole thing is 10/10.
I think I'm the only one on this forum who liked insurgents more than GfD :lolNo - GFD is good, but there's way too much stuff on it. Insurgentes is much more solid, and the more modern style of that album also appeals to me more than GFD.
I think I'm the only one on this forum who liked insurgents more than GfD :lolNah I do too. Insurgentes is one of my favorite albums, but GFD is not, even though I do like it quite a bit.
"The Watchmaker" I swear I heard moments that channeled Oceansize's "Only Twin" although I suppose that is more in a a similar tone/mood/key and layering, but not as much from a technical standpoint.
lol leaks
Not listening...
I really, really like The Pin Drop.
So is Guthrie govan touring with SW this time around?
It's actually kind of annoying to see all this discussion about the album so early, so I'll probably just duck out of this thread for a while. All US dates appear to be on sale, although I still can't get mine on the venue's site.Ditto, though I feel like leaks are always discussed here, unless it’s DT. Hopefully all of you pirates can hold back some of your thoughts there’s still something to talk about for us upstanding citizens when the album actually comes out.
The album is growing a lot for me. Honestly I expected less from SW after the disappointment that was to me GFD. At the moment the my top tracks are:
Drive Home
The Holy Drinker
Raven
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
I think Raven is the best closer SW has ever made. Quite a bold statement considering there's songs like Sleep Together, Dark Matter, Stop Swimming etc
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
Damn. That box looks nice, but it’s weird they give you both the BluRay and DVD audio, instead of the BluRay and Vinyl. The way it’s set up is kinda redundant if you ask me.Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
I think all versions are here: https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/
Happy hunting :D
Damn. That box looks nice, but it’s weird they give you both the BluRay and DVD audio, instead of the BluRay and Vinyl. The way it’s set up is kinda redundant if you ask me.Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
I think all versions are here: https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/
Happy hunting :D
Looks like I’m going with the Vinyl, too.
Holy hell, The Watchmaker just clicked... Wow. The second half of that song is utterly fantastic. The beginning portion is great, but it's almost 'too much' prog. Very heavy on the prog aspect this time around. All of it is in fact, but the first half of TW is balls to the wall progressive. The latter half is a bit more relaxed and it works so damn well for balancing the songs out.
Holy hell, The Watchmaker just clicked... Wow. The second half of that song is utterly fantastic. The beginning portion is great, but it's almost 'too much' prog. Very heavy on the prog aspect this time around. All of it is in fact, but the first half of TW is balls to the wall progressive. The latter half is a bit more relaxed and it works so damn well for balancing the songs out.
I do think that, with the Watchmaker in particular, it is too much prog. It's like Ministry of Lost Souls, except the instrumental sections are pleasant to listen to outside of the context of the song. I like them, but the mood set by the beginning section and lyrics is so good and then the prog stuff takes me right out of a great experience.
Only listened to it once so far, but it sounds like a pretty big letdown. Don't like all the wanky Prog stuff just shoved into the songs, and the melodic bits sound pretty generic. Lyrics weren't the best either.
Lyrics weren't the best either.I quite liked the lyrics. Each line flowed together very smoothly. No awkwardness.
Only listened to it once so far, but it sounds like a pretty big letdown. Don't like all the wanky Prog stuff just shoved into the songs, and the melodic bits sound pretty generic. Lyrics weren't the best either.
Just shoved? This isn't Dream Theater.
I don't think there's anything out of place on Raven.Agreed. "Proggy" has sort of become a bad word for some people. But it's really unnecessary prog that is the problem. Well-placed prog, like any other musical tool, can be quite effective. I think it is the latter case for TRTRTS:(aos).
Opinions I guess
That is the best abreviation ever.I don't think there's anything out of place on Raven.Agreed. "Proggy" has sort of become a bad word for some people. But it's really unnecessary prog that is the problem. Well-placed prog, like any other musical tool, can be quite effective. I think it is the latter case for TRTRTS:(aos).
Opinions I guess
I cannot get over how much I love the title track.
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.That seems like the best way to categorize each album.
I cannot get over how much I love the title track.
Same <3 I'm so in love with it.
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.That seems like the best way to categorize each album.
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.I'd say that as well, and now that's quite more likely considering the fact that this time, the band he recorded with he was already familiar with and it has some of prog's best exponents (Minnemann, Govan).
Personally I think the "Prog for the sake of being Prog" has become pretty normal in Progressive Rock/Metal today. I don't think it's the case with the new SW album, but in general I've discovered it here and there.My point was that it might be often with younger bands enamoured with the idea that songs can be 20 minutes long and things can have twists and turns and blah blah. I would like to think experienced, honest musicians such as the DT guys or SW do things because it sounds good to them; if a song is too long, you can blame it on their personal taste in music or writing rather than on their desire to make an 80-minute-album.
I think long songs can be awesome as long as they have a reason for being long. Sometimes it feels like a band writes a long song, because they want to make a long song, and there's parts in the song that doesn't maker it better or adds anything to it.
Personally I think that's the case with some of DT's later albums. Some songs are really long, but a lot of the instrumental parts and "prog" doesn't add anything to the song or make it better, it's just a showcase of skills to me.
A song should be as long as possible in order to be as good as it can be. If that means the song should be 4 minuter or 15 minuter, that comes down to what you can do with the song.
In conclusion the term "prog for the sake of being prog" is often used when something feels out of place or doesn't necessarily fit with the rest of the song, it's just there to make the song longer, or show the listeners that the musicians are talented at what they do. :P
As long as the quality of the song comes first I don't really care. If it's good, then it's good. If parts of a song are entirely out of place and drags the song out, then the quality of those individual parts won't save the song as a whole.*nods thinking of ANTR and Beautiful Agony*
Guys, not to turn this into a big debate, but I would argue prog is about a little bit of deliberate out of place-ness in different ways, so I just don't get how could it be out of place, nor in place for that matter. It's just... there. And I don't get the "prog for the sake of prog", especially if it were coming from someone like Steven. I mean, what other sake is there for being prog? I think that every good musician goes into the studio to write and record something he'll like and something that will be fun for him. No "let's put a little prog in here" but "let's put a little prog in here because it will go down well" or "let's put some interesting stuff here" and then it turns out proggy or jazzy or whatever.
My point was that it might be often with younger bands enamoured with the idea that songs can be 20 minutes long and things can have twists and turns and blah blah. I would like to think experienced, honest musicians such as the DT guys or SW do things because it sounds good to them; if a song is too long, you can blame it on their personal taste in music or writing rather than on their desire to make an 80-minute-album.Agreed. What I would call "prog for the sake of being prog" is what the new bands are doing: "Look at us, we have a double concept album with a 40-minute song!!!" The length of the songs and the amount of time signatures =/= the quality of the songwriting.
As long as the quality of the song comes first I don't really care. If it's good, then it's good. If parts of a song are entirely out of place and drags the song out, then the quality of those individual parts won't save the song as a whole.*nods thinking of ANTR and Beautiful Agony*
I never listen to leaks in advance and this time is no exception, but these comments about the album sounding really proggy and 70s makes me wonder if Steven has had a change of heart regarding stuff in vein of some old bands - he always says he thinks The Sky Moves Sideways sounds too much like Pink Floyd (something I strongly disagree with - those electronic influences make the album more modern) and has called neo-prog bands regressive because of the throwbacks into 70s. Then why would he start writing stuff like that as well? I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing - I think Heritage by Opeth is a great album - and obviously taking a step into that direction continues the evolution of his writing, but he also seems to contradict himself.
Hey, you disagreed when I told you the exact same thing! (providing the exact same example!)Did I really say Beautiful Agony can save ANTR? Because my opinion changed after I re-listened to it :lol
My point was that it might be often with younger bands enamoured with the idea that songs can be 20 minutes long and things can have twists and turns and blah blah. I would like to think experienced, honest musicians such as the DT guys or SW do things because it sounds good to them; if a song is too long, you can blame it on their personal taste in music or writing rather than on their desire to make an 80-minute-album.Agreed. What I would call "prog for the sake of being prog" is what the new bands are doing: "Look at us, we have a double concept album with a 40-minute song!!!" The length of the songs and the amount of time signatures =/= the quality of the songwriting.
I never listen to leaks in advance and this time is no exception, but these comments about the album sounding really proggy and 70s makes me wonder if Steven has had a change of heart regarding stuff in vein of some old bands - he always says he thinks The Sky Moves Sideways sounds too much like Pink Floyd (something I strongly disagree with - those electronic influences make the album more modern) and has called neo-prog bands regressive because of the throwbacks into 70s. Then why would he start writing stuff like that as well? I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing - I think Heritage by Opeth is a great album - and obviously taking a step into that direction continues the evolution of his writing, but he also seems to contradict himself.
Yeah, after maybe half a dozen listens I'm absolutely loving this album.
Yeah, after maybe half a dozen listens I'm absolutely loving this album.
Can't believe when I first came squeeing to you about the album you were all "meh" :P
I don't think it sounds 70's at all; not the least bit in any way. On the contrary, it sounds very modern and progressive (L0l not in the sense of the genre).Ok, maybe I just imagined the 70s thing! :lol So it's just really proggy? Anyway, I'll listen before judging, as always.
I don't think it sounds 70's at all; not the least bit in any way. On the contrary, it sounds very modern and progressive (L0l not in the sense of the genre).Ok, maybe I just imagined the 70s thing! :lol So it's just really proggy? Anyway, I'll listen before judging, as always.
I think its his best solo album yet.
So far:
1. The Raven = The Pin Drop
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. The Holy Drinker
I think its his best solo album yet.Glad to see someone else loves The Pin Drop as much as me. :tup That song is gorgeous.
So far:
1. The Raven = The Pin Drop
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. The Holy Drinker
1. The Raven That Refused to Sing = Drive Home
3. Luminol
4. The Holy Drinker
5. The Pin Drop
6. The Watchmaker
It's all good though. I think he had a slight - I mean really, slight - dip on The Incident and to a lesser extent Grace for Drowning (which was really damn good in its own way), but I haven't been so pleased with a new SW record since Deadwing. I'm not a particular fan of his ballads, but here they are easily the best songs IMO.
So looks like there's now a US/CA merch website! https://www.stevenwilsonmerch.com/
There are glow-in-the-dark shirts and bundles... but no deluxe edition. Oh well. Not paying $100 with shipping, so guess I'll get the regular.
I think I expected way too much from this record, being that Luminol, for my money, might be the best Steven Wilson solo song. Unfortunately, the rest of the album wasn't as great as its opener.Agreed; this is my opinion right now. There aren't any bad songs, or even lackluster as you say, but the only only that is memorable and innovative is Luminol. It's probably the only one I'll listen to after going through a few more spins of the album.
You two are fuckin' nuts. This whole album is memorable.
Also the production is amazing... I feel like I'm in the room listening to the musicians play. Everything just sounds very naturalI felt this way too. Love it. :tup
I think I expected way too much from this record, being that Luminol, for my money, might be the best Steven Wilson solo song. Unfortunately, the rest of the album wasn't as great as its opener.Agreed; this is my opinion right now. There aren't any bad songs, or even lackluster as you say, but the only only that is memorable and innovative is Luminol. It's probably the only one I'll listen to after going through a few more spins of the album.
I'm finding increasingly harder to properly rank the trio: Luminol, Drinker, Watchmaker. I know for sure that I like them better than The Pin Drop, but not as much as Raven and Drive Home. They are all very strong short epics, which by the way is IMO the optimal lenght for a progressive song.That's pretty much where I'm at as well.
Listened to the album again. It's...good. But I'm discovering that SW's music, while beautiful, is very uninspiring to me, in the motivational sense of inspiration. It makes me want to curl into a ball and cry. I honestly think that listening to too much SW is unhealthy for me. I'm gonna lay off the guy for a while. :lol
Drive Home is my favorite song (of the album). Dat guitar solo! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Drive Home is my favorite song (of the album). Dat guitar solo! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Seconded for truth. I'm surprised you are the first besides me to make this statement :tup
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png):lol
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png):lol
I fell for it. :facepalm:
:lol
Quote the raven: "Eat my shorts.''
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/the-raven-that-refused-to-sing-video-stills/
So the music video was supposed to come out in January...
Do we know what the song is precisely about?
That seems like a very plausible interpretation.Do we know what the song is precisely about?
Based on the lyrics, I put together a scenario where the character has a vision about his little sister that died many years ago and he misses her, so seeing her again has a real emotional impact on him. or something His sister IS the raven in this scenario. And the video stills looked like they might support my theory.
But I really have no clue what its about thats just my theory so whatever :P
I found it interesting where in his interview he talks about every other album being good by PT, and that he wasn't sure where he was going / the alternate albums were more samey (Lightbulb, Deadwing, Incident)...Aw - they're my three favourites! Plus Signify makes four, actually. Man. For all I like his music, I don't half disagree with him about it.
Didn't he pretty much just take that idea from Star Trek films, but the opposite? In the Star Trek films, the even numbered ones were good, while the odd numbered ones weren't so much...
Please note that the SW band for the tour will change between the European and American legs. The line up for all of the European shows will be the same as on the forthcoming album: Guthrie Govan - guitar, Adam Holzman - keyboards, Theo Travis - flute/sax, Nick Beggs - bass, and Marco Minnemann - drums. However, due to another touring commitment, Marco is unable to join the band on the North / South American leg of the tour. Sorry as I am to not have Marco for the whole tour, I'm very happy to announce that Chad Wackerman will be taking over the drum stool for these shows. Chad is perhaps best known for being Frank Zappa's drummer for 7 years in the eighties, until Zappa's retirement from live performance, but he is also a composer and band leader in his own right, and has performed with many other high profile artists. Needless to say Chad is an extraordinary musician who will bring his own talents and unique style to the SW band.I'm not too familiar with him, but I know that he's a great drummer so the shows should still be great nonetheless.
Steven Wilson - Official page
Please note that the SW band for the tour will change between the European and American legs. The line up for all of the European shows will be the same as on the forthcoming album: Guthrie Govan - guitar, Adam Holzman - keyboards, Theo Travis - flute/sax, Nick Beggs - bass, and Marco Minnemann - drums. However, due to another touring commitment, Marco is unable to join the band on the North / South American leg of the tour. Sorry as I am to not have Marco for the whole tour, I'm very happy to announce that Chad Wackerman will be taking over the drum stool for these shows. Chad is perhaps best known for being Frank Zappa's drummer for 7 years in the eighties, until Zappa's retirement from live performance, but he is also a composer and band leader in his own right, and has performed with many other high profile artists. Needless to say Chad is an extraordinary musician who will bring his own talents and unique style to the SW band.
Don't know if anyone else had heard/read...Posted this yesterday. ;)QuoteSteven Wilson - Official page
Please note that the SW band for the tour will change between the European and American legs. The line up for all of the European shows will be the same as on the forthcoming album: Guthrie Govan - guitar, Adam Holzman - keyboards, Theo Travis - flute/sax, Nick Beggs - bass, and Marco Minnemann - drums. However, due to another touring commitment, Marco is unable to join the band on the North / South American leg of the tour. Sorry as I am to not have Marco for the whole tour, I'm very happy to announce that Chad Wackerman will be taking over the drum stool for these shows. Chad is perhaps best known for being Frank Zappa's drummer for 7 years in the eighties, until Zappa's retirement from live performance, but he is also a composer and band leader in his own right, and has performed with many other high profile artists. Needless to say Chad is an extraordinary musician who will bring his own talents and unique style to the SW band.
Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.
-Marc.
Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.Wait, where did you get the info? I'm actually going to see Satriani in May and I'd love if Marco played drums. :metal
Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.Wait, where did you get the info? I'm actually going to see Satriani in May and I'd love if Marco played drums. :metal
Great interview, and I love how he explained each song. And it is worth repeating again just how awesome his approach to music is, summed up best here:Yeah, except that's a rather obvious thing to say, 90% of all musicians will say that :)
“The biggest thing is to make people feel. It’s easy to appeal to the intellect. I could go and write some silly, complicated shit, but the hardest thing is to hit somebody’s heart and soul. I want spirituality rather than technicality.”
Amen to that. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Great interview, and I love how he explained each song. And it is worth repeating again just how awesome his approach to music is, summed up best here:Yeah, except that's a rather obvious thing to say, 90% of all musicians will say that :)
“The biggest thing is to make people feel. It’s easy to appeal to the intellect. I could go and write some silly, complicated shit, but the hardest thing is to hit somebody’s heart and soul. I want spirituality rather than technicality.”
Amen to that. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
"We at Yahoo! Music are excited to exclusively debut the first video from the project, the beautifully animated and eerily poignant clip for the title track"
https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/video-gaga/exclusive-porcupine-tree-steven-wilson-releases-debut-video-180525498.html
This song is absolutely beautiful! :hefdaddy I look forward to getting my hands on the special edition.
Raven vs. Storm Corrosion, people? I think that's an interesting matchup that I'll have to think of a little bit.As much as I love Storm Corrosion, it's easily The Raven for me.
Honestly, if I had to rank all of the PT albums and put Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning in there, they'd both probably be in the bottom five.Same here - they're both good albums, but far from the greatness of PT's best achievements.
Opinions I guess. Personally I think his solo albums are his best albums he has done, Grace For Drowning would be my favorite album he has done. Nothing against PT though, I still love them.The thing I like about Grace the most is the amount of depth the album has. It's probably more deep, and more of a grower than any of Porcupine Tree's albums, which is something great. I wouldn't rank them because both Steven Wilson solo and Porcupine Tree are different projects with different perspectives and takes on music (which is quite a prop for Steven, considering he's the mastermind behind everything he does).
The thing I like about Grace the most is the amount of depth the album has. It's probably more deep, and more of a grower than any of Porcupine Tree's albums, which is something great.
And is it just me or does the beginning sound like Radiohead?
So the ending lyrics of "The Raven..." are "Sing to me, raven, I miss her so much. Sing to me, Lily, I miss you so much." I seriously thought it was just "sing to me raven, I miss you so much" the entire time. That makes that video that much sadder. Jeez.
So the ending lyrics of "The Raven..." are "Sing to me, raven, I miss her so much. Sing to me, Lily, I miss you so much." I seriously thought it was just "sing to me raven, I miss you so much" the entire time. That makes that video that much sadder. Jeez.
Wow, it was the same for me! How did you discover this?
So, I hear the new SW album is coming out soon! Anyone excited?
I got it. The local record store put it out early. :metalLuckyyyy
Can't FUCKING WAIT to go and see him in March in London.
Can't FUCKING WAIT to go and see him in March in London.
Have you seen his solo tour before? Compared to PT and Blackfield prior, it was just incredible to see how much more active and enthusiastic he was.
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.Is that tonight?
WordDamn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.
That's weak sauce. And infuriating for a guy like me who would pay good money to see him if he were coming to my town.
1. RavenThis. Raven keeps growing on me.
2. Grace
3. Insurgentes
1. Raven
2. Grace
3. Insurgentes
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning
Insurgentes is just too good.
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning
Insurgentes is just too good.
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning
Insurgentes is just too good.
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.Is that tonight?
After a few listens, I must say, he's finally made an album I really like. Luminol is the strongest track though. Nothing really comes close to touching it afterward, though they're all good tracks.
Except for one. The title track is weak. Shame the album ends on it.
After a few listens, I must say, he's finally made an album I really like. Luminol is the strongest track though. Nothing really comes close to touching it afterward, though they're all good tracks.
Except for one. The title track is weak. Shame the album ends on it.
Do you have no soul?!
What the hell is wrong with you people? :lol
What the hell is wrong with you people? :lol
The title track is absolutely masterful! Do you usually not like minimalist songs or something?
Yep, ill have to double check when Exodus are coming, but I might be able to go
why doesn't everyone have the same opinion as me oh god the horror
'I never expected Mr. Wilson to use autotune in his career' (from the review).
He uses it a lot. And to good use, apparently.
It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.
It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.
I get why some people are calling this retro-prog; but I think that that label isn't really fair. Sure it draws from 70s Prog quite a bit, but there is plenty of stuff on here that is totally 100% Steven Wilson-esque, and the three shorter songs aren't even really prog at all. They're basically folk ballads.Definitely this. And I really don't feel like I'm listening to retro prog at all when I listen to the album. I know the influence is there, but it's not prevalent enough for me to think about it too much.
It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.
I got my deluxe/limited edition yesterday. I think I got a mail that they had sent my vinyl as well. I don't think Steven Wilson does download-codes.According to Burning Shed, this one does, but maybe it's sent with the Vinyl, rather than with the release.
I get SW's point of view, but the thing is.. everyone is not rich. If I could afford it, I would buy the most expensive and the best soundsystem available, both speakers, amplifier, stereo, turntable and so on. Right now I have a fairly cheap couple of speakers, a pretty cheap amplifier and a fairly standard turntable. (Plus the speakers to my computer which were also fairly cheap)
This works fine for me. I would love better, but I have accepted that this is what I can afford for now, and I'm happy with it. :P
A lot of people have it even worse than I have it, and instead of turntable/stereo/amplifier/speakers they have to rely on listening on the computer. Mp3 as a format is awesome for what it is.
I guess I was supposed to order it from Burningshed to get the download code. I ordered from the US/Canada website and there's no code in mine. That's pretty lame :(How much did you pay for it?
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.
Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.
Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.
The funny thing was I called my brother about the album as I'm listening to Drive Home as I'm driving home. :lol
Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.
Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.
You won't have to worry about that, he's gonna be playing the new album in its entirety. :)
*NEW* Steven Wilson Luminol (Demo Version) b/w The Watchmaker (Demo Version) 12" featuring 2 unreleased demo tracks from the "Raven that Refused to Sing" sessions.https://new-vinyl.blogspot.com/2013/01/record-store-day-2013rsd-6april-20-2013.html
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.
Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.
The funny thing was I called my brother about the album as I'm listening to Drive Home as I'm driving home. :lol
Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.
Isn't that always the way Kev when you here a song first, live before it comes out, you tend to like something from the first version better than the second version. Like when a band records a song from it's past or a cover song for the most part.That's exactly how it is, I still think the vocal harmonies at the beginning of Luminol sound so wrong in the studio version. ;D But it's still a great song and the album just keeps growing on me. :smiley:
Interesting. The first part of "Drive Home" reminds me of a mix between Blackfield and "Black Dahlia"
Yeah, I love The Holy Drinker. Might be my favourite on the album. The drumming is awesome. That harmony at 3:06 and other places is cool as hell. And the instrumental section has some awesome organ. :metal And for some reason I sense a sort of attitude with this one I've never felt from Steven. It's great.Agreed. It's currently tied for first place with the title track for me.
guess he's waiting to debut which old PT song they're gonna perform on another night, then... :-\Someone on Facebook posted that he asked SW which song they'd play, and SW said that they decided not to because it didn't work out during the rehearsals. Maybe he'll add a song later in the tour..
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"
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"The Holy Drinker" immediately reminded me of Blackfield.
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"
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Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"
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Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.
You guys kinda suck at hiding spoilers. :P
Anyways, the less stuff from Insurgentes they play, the happier I am...
Huh, for me the more they play from Insurgentes, the happier I am.
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"
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Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.
Jeez, you sure can tell this is a Dream Theater forum, what with the "how dare they play a great song on two consecutive tours" line of thinking. ;) :lol
Besides, YES there is a need to suck up the setlist with all of the time considering how great the song is and how awesome it is live. It absolutely slayed on the Get What You Deserve Blu-Ray/DVD, and I can't imagine most fans going to see him and being bummed to see it again. On the contrary, I'm sure most will be pumped to witness the amazingness of it live, especially if you are seeing him for the first time. It's a no-brainer.
I can only imagine this forum if it had been around when Rush was touring on A Farewell to Kings..."Ugh, they played 2112 on the last tour; what a waste of nearly 20 minutes to play it again on this one!!" :facepalm:
You just can't have a Steven Wilson concert without Remainder the black dog.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2013/o2-abc-glasgow-scotland-1bdb0174.html
Yea but it's just a tape :(
I love how Steven Wilson has an official You Tube channel for his music but not Spotify.
Coz Youtube quality is so much better isn't it STEVEN.
I love how Steven Wilson has an official You Tube channel for his music but not Spotify.
Coz Youtube quality is so much better isn't it STEVEN.
Youtube is a promotion tool. Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.
Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.I think that's really an unfair statement.
This, even if people don't have premium the artist still gets paid for each listen.Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.I think that's really an unfair statement.
his releases keep improving even when i think they can't. astounding.
Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7tl9-luZEWow, needledrop is really tearing into Wilson.
Here's a review that some folks around here might want to watch, despite the fact many may disagree with much of it vehemently.
That reviewer is utterly clueless.
"None of his music showcases personal experience."
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
I guess he's never heard Lightbulb Sun.
And now dogging the sound?? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:\ how does he know that Wilson never took a terrible acid trip and met himself coming down an up staircase? How awfully presumptuous.
I am also amused at how he doesn't even know the name of the actual album. The Raven Who Refused to Sing? :lol :lol :lolEh, he's just an amateur guy doing this for fun. I don't take him too seriously, but I'm sure the fact that he does stuff like this looks GREAT on his linkedin page ;)
Ultimately, the guy comes across like your average rock critic: a big dork (literally) who trashes great music that is well played, most likely because he is a failed musician, and enjoys trashing music that he could never dream of playing or writing.
Like David Lee Roth once said: "The reason most critics like Elvis Costello is because most of them look like Elvis Costello." This guy is Exhibit A of that.
Regarding the Spotify-discussion, I thought what Paris is Burning said is pretty much spot on. It's fine if people use Spotify, but some of them act so holier-than-thou towards people who download, when Spotify really isn't much better.It's not even close to the same thing. If you use Spotify premium, you're paying labels for streaming access to their libraries (like, $120 a year, if you keep it that long). Even if you just use Spotify for free, you're basically getting a streaming music service from your computer, paid for by ads and subscribers, which pay labels.
Well it's another discussion really. Artists makes what, 1 cent per streamed song? I'm not saying there is no difference, I'm just saying it's pretty low to be acting holier-than-thou about it.No one's acting holier than thou. You just said they were. I've never seen that.
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King
Someone should tell him that. :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7tl9-luZEThis guy is my favorite reviewer on youtube, even though I don't always agree with him. In this case, the problem truly is only the matter of taste, he's bothered by the things about this album that I actually really like. I don't know about the sound quality, everything sounds great to me.
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King
Someone should tell him that. :lol
They already did and he dismissed it as SW being a copycat and saying how terrible it is that even using the original one SW makes it sound awful.
I had seen a few reviews by this guy and even though I don't necessarily agree with his tastes I thought they were OK. I've really lost interest now that I've read the comments in this review, watching him go full troll on negative commenters does not make me think highly of him.
Us old farts love this style on the album while the younger generation loves Insurgentes.
Why can't I have my cake and eat it too?! I'd like both. It's not like Steven ever takes time off! :lol
I think most of his criticism is pretty accurate. I don't agree with the album being bad, because I really like it. But it has been done before, the influences are obvious and the album is not attempting to do anything new really. SW might feel like he is experimenting with this album, but it's really fairly standard Progressive Rock. Like I said, I like the album, it just doesn't that exciting. Regarding personal experiences, that should come across in the music. With Raven, the lyrics are ghost stories and that is the theme, so it's hard to make that personal. Lightbulb Sun has some personal stuff I guess. I dunno, I guess it depends on what music you listen to and how much you have to compare it to? I think there are many bands or artists who write more personal lyrics about experiences, but that's also in some genres where the lyrics is the mainframe of the whole song.
I think SW has most of his personal lyrics with PT, Insurgentes was mostly words he put together as improvisation (if I remember it right), GfD was more focused on the music, and with Raven it's even more focused on the music.
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King
Why can't I have my cake and eat it too?! I'd like both. It's not like Steven ever takes time off! :lol
I don't think you have to reinvent yourself on every album, but if you are making the same album twice or staying within a certain sound, quality is the key. It only bothers me slightly with Raven because I do like the album, I just think Grace was much better.Likewise, while I like Grace, it's somewhat bloated to my ears, like Steven and his new band needed to binge without restraint first to get it all out of their system before being able to sit down and "craft" something.
I don't think you have to reinvent yourself on every album, but if you are making the same album twice or staying within a certain sound, quality is the key. It only bothers me slightly with Raven because I do like the album, I just think Grace was much better.
Octane Twisted is PT's version of Chaos in Motion. The band didn't want it, but RR did, and RR got what they wanted.Hmmm, the difference is that MP was actually all for it; and was always eager to have every possible DT song performed live in one way or another, but both the audio and video qualities were awful. In Octane Twisted, maybe the video is obviously not at an Anesthetize level, but the audio is cool and the performances are good as well (also, quite different to CiM where they picked the songs for the video quality, rather than the performance itself).
It would have been cool if there was at least video footage, which would have made it more of a tour documentary like CiM.
Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs.
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs.
???
I'd love to hear what songs are supposedly boring. Everything on that record sounds like it should be, and the flow is immaculate.
Also, INB4 someone goes the predictable route and says the title track, Raider Prelude and/or Belle De Jour is/are filler, which is code for, "I missed the entire point of the album experience."
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs.
???
I'd love to hear what songs are supposedly boring. Everything on that record sounds like it should be, and the flow is immaculate.
Also, INB4 someone goes the predictable route and says the title track, Raider Prelude and/or Belle De Jour is/are filler, which is code for, "I missed the entire point of the album experience."
I don't dislike them because of the noise aspect. I dislike "Sectarian" because it feels like a worthless jam for no reason; "Track One" because, face it, it is an unfinished song, and some parts of "Raider II" because it's just "long for the sake of being long"
Track ranking for Raven thus far:
1. The Raven that Refused to Sing
2. The Holy Drinker
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. Pin Drop
Pin Drop does next to nothing for me. Raven is one of my favourite tracks he's ever released in any project. The Holy Drinker is just fucking immense, the opening parts of that live were just phenomenal to see. I love the mid section of Watchmaker more than the sum of its parts (the 'well you were just meant to be temporary' and 04:07 - 09:50 overall) but the beginning leaves me a bit cold and the ending jars with me a lot, so I'd have to go for the entirety of Drive Home vs the entirety of Watchmaker. I think Luminol is awesome but I guess the shine has worn off given that I've known it for a lot longer than the rest.
If I had to rate the songs on Raven, that would be almost exactly it, as are your thoughts; except I love The Pin Drop, it'd be tied with The Holy Drinker (and/or at 2 with THD at 3). Other than that :tup :tup Couldn't have said it better. Every time I listen to Raven, the song, it's a damn emotional experience. I can't wait to see it live. Oh and I wish I could expand the piano-backed portion of "well you were just mean to be temporary..." into a whole song.. :heart
Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.
No one is hating on GfD lol
Way to just plunge into an extreme exaggeration :lol
Really, if you loved Grace for Drowning, there's absolutely no way you could not love The Raven That Refused To Sing, unless you are just that against Steven writing more than one record in a similar style, which means you probably hate all the PT records after Signify and all the Blackfield records after the first, and so on.
When he screams 'I'm Raaaaaaaaaider' live towards the end it just gives me the most insane chills.
The more I listen to GfD the less I find there is filler. I mean the Raider Prelude is a little unnecessary and I don't like Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye as much as most, but other than that great stuff. And I really wanna learn Belle De Jour on guitar. It's beautiful.
Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.
No one is hating on GfD lol
Way to just plunge into an extreme exaggeration :lol
Really, if you loved Grace for Drowning, there's absolutely no way you could not love The Raven That Refused To Sing, unless you are just that against Steven writing more than one record in a similar style, which means you probably hate all the PT records after Signify and all the Blackfield records after the first, and so on.
I mean generally speaking. A lot of people are like "GfD sucks, it's too long etc etc."
yes because when i say "a lot of people" i mean specifically only people in this thread, in this subforum and on this forum. jesusEither way, you're wrong. No one in this thread at all said that they hate GfD, or that it sucks. A few other people and I said they thought it was "a little bloating" or "boring" sometimes, but everyone's been pretty adamant that they still like it.
Great. Surely you can get to that point without putting words in everyone's mouth?
Even if you weren't just talking about the discussion on the last page, which I kinda find unlikely, you'd be hard-pressed to find a lot of people saying GfD sucks anywhere. Unless you are refering to some niche music group or something, GfD has gotten almost universal praise since it came out:
Amazon.com: 4.7 out of 5 stars, 96 reviews
iTunes: 5 Stars, 131 reviews
Sputnick: 4.2 out of 5 stars, 441 votes tallied
Rolling Stone 4/5 Stars
Pop Matter 8/10
I mean, if not the lukewarm criticism some people were just voicing here, where are these "lots" of people who say it sucks, and it's boring?
I'm with you that music doesn't have to suck because it isn't amazing, but you should also be familiar with the 5/8 & Sputnik/RYM-mentality. If something isn't awesome, it's the worst shit ever.
Raider II is amazing. I don't really get bored of it at any point.
And aw, y'all ranking The Pin Drop so low. Has some of the best melodies he's ever done. :(
The Watchmaker is the best together with the title track IMO. I just love the acoustic guitars and the vocal harmonies.I would agree were it not for Luminol, The Pin Drop, The Holy Drinker and Drive Home. ;)
I love The Watchmaker. Luminol is definitely my least favourite. Even though it's still great.
Wat. The Watchmaker is probably my favourite if I had to pick.
I'm going to the SW concert In Tampa on Tuesday (Extremely excited btw) Anyone else headed to that one?I think Reaperkk is and I hope to as well, we should meet up :D
I'm going to the SW concert In Tampa on Tuesday (Extremely excited btw) Anyone else headed to that one?I think Reaperkk is and I hope to as well, we should meet up :D
You guys have fun. I would've liked to see this tour but can't get no one to be my ride.
Same, Ben. I feel ya; I just sold my ticket because I thought I had a ride and now after exhausting every single resource I could possibly drudge up, I am without one. Thusly, I slit my ballsack open and hope to bleed out.:-\ :hug:
At least that's what I feel like doing. I was so god damn mother fucking cocksucking excited about this piece of shit fucking concert shit cock fuck whore bitch tits.
Same, Ben. I feel ya; I just sold my ticket because I thought I had a ride and now after exhausting every single resource I could possibly drudge up, I am without one. Thusly, I slit my ballsack open and hope to bleed out.
At least that's what I feel like doing. I was so god damn mother fucking cocksucking excited about this piece of shit fucking concert shit cock fuck whore bitch tits.
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music
standing allows you to become more absorbed in my opinion, and most stages are raised so seeing usually isn't an issue. Sitting just seems to tame the experience.Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music
In a case like SW standing takes away far more from the experience. He has world class musicians playing very intense and involved material. If you're struggling to see over people and losing yourself in a crowd it's much harder to focus on the intricacies. Sitting allows you to sit back and enjoy the experience.
Solution - provide both options. Problem solvedi never see a problem with that
I stopped caring at one point and started sitting on the floor in between acts to preserve energy. That's what I do. :biggrin:I can stand around for hours without a problem, jump, headbang, scream, you name it, but as soon as the show is over and the adrenaline is out, I just drop to the floor for a while ;D
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music
In a case like SW standing takes away far more from the experience. He has world class musicians playing very intense and involved material. If you're struggling to see over people and losing yourself in a crowd it's much harder to focus on the intricacies. Sitting allows you to sit back and enjoy the experience.
There is nothing wrong with standing even if you have a seat; it is a rock concert after all, not a freaking play. Now, having said that, if everyone in the section is sitting, I won't be that guy, the only one who stands, but usually all it takes is a few people standing and the domino affect kicks in and almost everyone is then standing within a minute or two.
Now that Kev said something about opening acts, I wonder if there will be one today.i don't see any listed, I'm heading down after I get off at the zoo, so that I hopefully have time to find parking and a bite to eat
Live, "The Watchmaker" filmed live in Neu-Isenberg, Germany - 23rd March 2013. Man is it good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw#!
Appropriately to the thread topic - I went to a Porcupine Tree gig in some very fancy hall, swish as heck, very classy, and everyone sat for the whole gig, until Steven Wilson asked us to stand up, saying, "Come on, it's a rock concert." Even upon standing, I felt fairly uncomfortable. Wanted to stand throughout, but because it was very clearly a concert hall, I had an image of people behind me rolling their eyes at my head-height arse through pince-nez and wishing that frightful man would just take a seat. Very strange gig. Great performance, but very strange.There is nothing wrong with standing even if you have a seat; it is a rock concert after all, not a freaking play. Now, having said that, if everyone in the section is sitting, I won't be that guy, the only one who stands, but usually all it takes is a few people standing and the domino affect kicks in and almost everyone is then standing within a minute or two.
Pretty much this. If people wish to stand that will become apparent at the beginning of the show. If people wish to sit, that will also be apparent. And if everyone is sitting and you're standing... you're a douchebag and there is no two ways around that. When everyone else is standing and you want to sit you have no choice but to stand to see the show. On the other hand if everyone is seated and you're standing because you think everyone should be you're an asshole who is willing to screw over others because you can't deal with the fact they don't feel the same way about the situation that you do.
It would be kinda neat if at seated venues when they scan your ticket at the door you got to vote on sit vs. stand, and they'd announce the winning tally prior to the show.
Hey Nick, when is the Philly show? I can ask Tony if you haven't found anyone to buy yet.
Looks like Marco Minnemann will be doing the U.S. tour now!
Since many of you asked: ....YES...I now will be doing the STEVEN WILSON USA/Canada shows starting from Philadelphia on.
And just to clarify: The JOE SATRIANI and ARISTOCRATS tours will also happen as planned.
Thanks and see you soon,
--MM
Looks like Marco Minnemann will be doing the U.S. tour now!Seeing him in the Watchmaker video - very happy with Mike Mangini, think he's a much better fit for Dream Theater, both technique-wise and personality-wise, but I find it hard to watch Marco Minnemann without getting a sense of that moment in a quiz show, when they say, "Here's what you could have won!"
Since many of you asked: ....YES...I now will be doing the STEVEN WILSON USA/Canada shows starting from Philadelphia on.
And just to clarify: The JOE SATRIANI and ARISTOCRATS tours will also happen as planned.
Thanks and see you soon,
--MM
Awesome, can't wait. :caffeine:
A message to US / Canadian fans coming along to one of the forthcoming SW band shows; please be aware that due to a very important family matter, and having done a fantastic job with us at the first 2 shows in Tampa and Atlanta, new drummer Chad Wackerman has had to leave the tour to fly home to California. Fortunately, Marco is able to rejoin us for these shows, starting with Philly tomorrow, following which Chad will be rejoin the band in South America next month. Sorry for the confusion!
Awesome, can't wait. :caffeine:
RJ, I didn't know you were going? When's your date?
If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan
I don't see the issue. If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan, so him making new music is a good thing no matter what banner he releases it under, no? I am not saying you have to automatically like everything he does, but while I am a HUGE PT fan, I am a bigger SW fan.
I don't see the issue. If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fanNot at all! I'm a huge fan of Steven Wilson the Porcupine Tree head honcho, but Steven Wilson the solo artist is way, way too self-indulgent for my liking.
Steven Wilson the solo artist is way, way too self-indulgent for my liking.To be honest, I don't really see why this is a bad thing. They're solo albums; aren't they supposed to be self-indulgent? I'd rather have him make his solo albums exactly as he wants rather than considering what other people (i.e. the fans, record labels, etc) want him to make.
My point is that since PT is such a Wilson-driven project, if you are a big fan, you almost have to be a big fan of his, too (meaning, of him, the musician). That doesn't mean you will be a big fan of every album he does or every project, but that you are generally a fan of his. Saying otherwise would be like saying, "I love King Crimson, but don't really like Robert Fripp that much."Looks sound on paper, but it doesn't work like that at all. Porcupine Tree's more than just a reedy voice and big, dolorous guitar chords. It's the sensibility - the craftsmanship, the shape, the choruses. Vastly different filter.
Or, to put it another way...Steven Wilson the solo artist is way, way too self-indulgent for my liking.To be honest, I don't really see why this is a bad thing. They're solo albums; aren't they supposed to be self-indulgent? I'd rather have him make his solo albums exactly as he wants rather than considering what other people (i.e. the fans, record labels, etc) want him to make.
That could be, but these solo albums could have easily been PT albums with a little tweaking (a lot less jazz, since Richard Barbieri hates it) and no one would have batted an eyelash since PT is ever-changing anyway, based on...wait for it...Steven Wilson's tendencies at the moment! ;)I don't know that this is at all true! He wouldn't have bothered releasing Insurgentes under a separate moniker if that were the case. The choice was made specifically because he didn't think the album was Porcupine Tree music. PT, through its many permutations, has got an identity, a discipline. Solo work is Steven Wilson's opportunity to work outside of that label, and away from the restrictions it imposes.
Is there an opening act? I know it says the show starts at 8, but I might be a bit later than that coming from work.
That could be, but these solo albums could have easily been PT albums with a little tweaking (a lot less jazz, since Richard Barbieri hates it) and no one would have batted an eyelash since PT is ever-changing anyway, based on...wait for it...Steven Wilson's tendencies at the moment! ;)I don't know that this is at all true! He wouldn't have bothered releasing Insurgentes under a separate moniker if that were the case. The choice was made specifically because he didn't think the album was Porcupine Tree music. PT, through its many permutations, has got an identity, a discipline. Solo work is Steven Wilson's opportunity to work outside of that label, and away from the restrictions it imposes.
Wouldn't complain, but this is pretty much Steven Wilson 101! First interview I found...
"For the first time, I could stand up and say, 'You know what, this is me. You've seen aspects of me in Porcupine Tree and Storm Corrosion, but for the first time, this is exactly what I am about when left to my own devices.'"
I hope Porcupine Tree continue to make music, with or without him.That's... an interesting prospect.
Maybe, maybe not. The Band aren't much like Bob Dylan, but when they ditched him (or, he ditched them?) they became their own thing and had a nice career catering to a niche, but committed, audience. I don't see why PT couldn't do the same, though I'm not sure what kind of voices the other guys have.If Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, John Wesley and Gavin Harrison wanted to keep writing music together in the meantime, Porcupine Tree would be a logical name to release it under. It seems like an amicable parting - a hiatus, not a split - and I'd hope Steven Wilson would hold them in enough esteem that he'd give his blessing.
What if Aviv Geffen joined PT?
Now I'm just taking speculation off the rails ;D
No way is John Wesley a substitute Wilson. No way, no freaking how.I heard The Watchmaker for the first time the other day - ready and eager to enjoy it, since I really loved the title track - and though it started nicely, and it was full of cool ideas, all I could think was, "This is indulgent, this is formless, this would really, really benefit from an editor." I'm not expecting everyone to share the opinion, I love that he's experimenting, music's an expression and absolutely shouldn't be forced into one of X number of pre-approved shapes, but it's very definitely not my bag. I don't know the song as well as you, I'm hearing it with fresh ears, so it's possible and even outright likely that I'm missing a lot of the form, shape and discipline. But, equally... I don't know the song as well as you, I'm hearing it with fresh ears!
I get what you are saying, rob, but while that early PT stuff could have used an editor, keep in mind that that was his earliest written work. He has become a much better and focused songwriter. Even the longer songs he writes tend to be really focused and not all over the place like some of those early pieces, the exception being Raider II, which is supposed to have that loose jam/jazz feel.
That's... an interesting prospect.I would be very skeptical towards an idea like that, but I would still give it a chance.
So much of Porcupine Tree is characterised by Steven Wilson's own personal style, aesthetic and discipline, but... they're very good musicians, all four of them - and, look! John Wesley! They've got a substitute Wilson right there.
I'd be interested in seeing what PT fans are saying about this, but apparently PT's forums are gone?Huh - you're right!
I actually am wholly in the group that can say I like Porcupine Tree and (with the exception of Raven) don't really like the rest of Wilson's work. And actually, given what I know about Robert Fripp's work and all of the various Projekts he's done using assorted members of KC, I can also safely say that it IS possible to like King Crimson and not Robert Fripp's work. :lol
I'd be interested in seeing what PT fans are saying about this, but apparently PT's forums are gone?
So, I've been listening to TRTRTSAOWS much lately, while I hadn't listened to any other Steven Wilson album before. I absolutely love it! I want to dig deeper into his solo stuff. Which should I listen to first, Insurgentes or Grace for Drowning?
Show last night was great. It was my first time ever seeing Wilson live in any form, and I was really impressed with how warm his personality shines from stage. He seemed to be totally in his element up there with the "new" band.
"Deform to Form a Star" and "The Pin Drop" were highlights for me, which was odd because neither studio version are on their respective albums. But man those songs just came alive.
Overall, the performance was lush. That's the only way I can describe. At times I felt I was gonna be overwhelmed with the lushness and beauty of it all.
Other noteworthy thing was that Mike Portnoy was also at the show and I met him. He was sitting with a staff guy kinda blocking him off from others so I didn't want to bother him, but I went up with my girlfriend to say "hi" and give him a handshake. We just told him we were big fans, and to have a good night. He said he liked my fiance's Pain of Salvation shirt.
I likely will, just extra bummed that I had 9th row center seats for him in Philly, that I payed $75 each for, and while in NYC I can get tickets for about $30 each it's GA and I'd be getting there right before the show starts. So now I'll have to stand in the back as opposed to be sitting up front. :(
I likely will, just extra bummed that I had 9th row center seats for him in Philly, that I payed $75 each for, and while in NYC I can get tickets for about $30 each it's GA and I'd be getting there right before the show starts. So now I'll have to stand in the back as opposed to be sitting up front. :(
First up, the "shameless plug" bit.
The Steven Wilson Survivor will be starting over on Polls/Survivors next Wednesday (May 1st), if anyone from this thread would like to take part.
Now, the question.
I've found a bunch of songs from an album titled "Tape Experiments, 1985-86", and I'm wondering whether enough people on here have heard these rare songs to warrant including them in the survivor.
Good write-up, CFYYZ. Indeed, it was awesome, though I did want to punch those guys who thought they were comedians during quiet parts in the fucking throat.
I left the show pretty thoroughly convinced that the SW solo band is the spiritual heir to King Crimson.
Sorry we missed each other, OsMosis.
EDIT: Apparently JR was there.
What's the opening act, and how long is their set? I got back from outdoor rock climbing just now and wouldn't mind some rest before I go out again.No opening act.
SW also ragged on the heckler at yesterday's show :lol:lol :lol
I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.I totally agree. Maybe I'm losing interest in DT, but I can't picture their new album being nearly as good as The Raven. And I could imagine him being held back in DT.
I'm gonna have to embarrass myself here, I was blissfully unaware of the Raven album until I stepped into the venue yesterday :lol
Provided me with an experience though you don't get all too often these days, which is discovering new music at the concert. It took less than 20 minutes into the concert when I purchased the album.
There might be some interesting quirks going on in the live mix from venue to venue, then...there were points where I could see GG doing some crazy stuff, but it was inaudible (I think No Part of Me was where it stood out the most). No problem on solos and other out-front parts, but where he wasn't so much of a feature, my ears couldn't hear anything that were corresponding to what his hands were doing. I did notice he got a couple of weird looks on his face, and looked at SW and off-stage...he might have realized there was an issue.
The only things that were out of balance were occasionally the drums. The snare was WAY too loud in Drive Home, and the toms were too high in Insurgentes.
I'm gonna have to embarrass myself here, I was blissfully unaware of the Raven album until I stepped into the venue yesterday :lol
Provided me with an experience though you don't get all too often these days, which is discovering new music at the concert. It took less than 20 minutes into the concert when I purchased the album.
Your there paying money to see their show. We as fans are not part of the act. Sure I clapped and yelled after the songs for applause but nothing else. I hate when people inject themself into something they shouldn't. It's like that as well at comedy shows.
Hmmm, so if he keeps rotating the Remainder the Black Dog/No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun medley with Radioactive Toy, that means we should get the former on Chicago on Friday, which is what I am hoping for. I like Radioactive Toy, but I wanna see those two songs, even if they are just a medley.
I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.
Anyone know what the song is playing when you first enter the venue, setlist.fm says it's bass communion but I'm not really familiar with that project.
e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRNCk3YwqEYour there paying money to see their show. We as fans are not part of the act. Sure I clapped and yelled after the songs for applause but nothing else. I hate when people inject themself into something they shouldn't. It's like that as well at comedy shows.
I don't mind comedy shows cause usually the comedian will burn their ass.
Just got out of the show (left shortly before the end of the encore to buy a shirt). Aweeeesome show. SW also ragged on the heckler at yesterday's show :lol
I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.
Funny you say that, I actually think that Marco overplays and that Mike fits into a song structure better.Agreed 100 percent.
Marco tends to make everything a drum solo...as good as he is sometimes i wish he would keep things simple and just groove.
Eek. I hope that wasn't replacing the real encore...?
He did a meet and greet here locally, sadly I wasn't able to make it :(same here :(
I managed to catch Radioactive Toy a few years ago in Boston with PT but I'm assuming with this band it's being taken to a whole new level.
Agreed Kev. Every song off the new album sounding impeccable. I could watch them play that album 3 times in a row live and I'd be happy. Plus seeing Deform to Form a Star & Postcard was awesome.
What song?
Honestly, if you are a fan, and a trip is doable, and you can afford it, this tour is a must-go for all SW fans.I don't like Steven's solo stuff to the same extent as the PT albums, but I think seeing him live might change my mind, so if the trip turns out to be affordable, I will go! :tup
The Holy Drinker is a stolen Opeth song :VI can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???
Oh yeah, the Raider part was completely silent. No douchebags in Minneapolis. ;D
Fucking awesome, Kev. I couldn't agree more; that's perfect. I was completely enamored with that case when it was going on years ago and I actually did a hefty report on it for a criminal justice class so despite me trying to forget that case, I still remember much about it. The song does a great job as you said of really telling a story of and going through a routine of calamity and calmness. It's wonderful.
Honestly, if you are a fan, and a trip is doable, and you can afford it, this tour is a must-go for all SW fans.I don't like Steven's solo stuff to the same extent as the PT albums, but I think seeing him live might change my mind, so if the trip turns out to be affordable, I will go! :tup
I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???
I managed to catch Radioactive Toy a few years ago in Boston with PT but I'm assuming with this band it's being taken to a whole new level.
I assume that was the 2009 show at the House Of Blues orc? Great show with King's X opening.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe the doomsday organ is similar to the one in Famine and the tempo slightly reminiscent of The Grand Conjuration, but it's ridiculous to claim that the song is a total rip-off.I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???I suspect this is one of those "It sounds like something Opeth would have done" cases for Parama, as opposed to sounding like any one specific Opeth song. Considering how Wilson and Akerfeldt have been on a similar wavelength the last couple years, I am not surprised that either would write a few songs that some fans would think sound like something the other would have done.
I still don't LOVE that song, Kev, but that is a good moment.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe the doomsday organ is similar to the one in Famine and the tempo slightly reminiscent of The Grand Conjuration, but it's ridiculous to claim that the song is a total rip-off.I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???I suspect this is one of those "It sounds like something Opeth would have done" cases for Parama, as opposed to sounding like any one specific Opeth song. Considering how Wilson and Akerfeldt have been on a similar wavelength the last couple years, I am not surprised that either would write a few songs that some fans would think sound like something the other would have done.
Well, scratch that. Didn't realize its today. I've got to hope he tours with these guys a bit more and they come back to the states and play Raven.
Well, scratch that. Didn't realize its today. I've got to hope he tours with these guys a bit more and they come back to the states and play Raven.
It's tomorrow, in Boulder :)
I will be there :caffeine:
BTW, we always talk about great moments in songs, and with Wilson's music, there are always too damn many to count them all, but the one in The Pin Drop chorus still never fails to give me goosebumps ever single time:Could not agree more Kev. I get chills at that part every time which is why it was my favourite on the album for quite a while.
I am tired of struggling
And the rain is beating down on me
I tried to be the way that he wanted me to be
I did not hear the pin drop down
I did not hear my heart
I am not sure how to describe it in strictly musical terms, but the way the music climaxes right near the end of the bolded line, and then as it goes into the next line, is nothing short of :hefdaddy :hefdaddy. Seriously.
Totally agreed. Raven is the IMHO the best album I've heard in the last 5 years.I wouldn't say the best I've heard in 5 years, but it's definitely among the best :tup
Blackfield is more pop-ish, if you like songs like Trains and Lazarus that aren't that progressive but more melody-focused, that sums up Blackfield. Their songs are mostly in the 3-4 minute range with a verse-chorus-verse kind of structure.
Okay, well, here comes the part where I'm disagreeable:
I've never been a big fan of Steven Wilson's lyrics. He has a few songs where he channels a strong inner poet, but more than a few all-out misses, and mostly a lot of "meh". Aside from that, I've never shared his topical interests and in most cases would rather just not know what his songs are about, because it ruins them for me. His morbid fascination just does not speak to me at all.
He could probably reach a much larger audience if he'd step away from bizarro-land to write about something more personal occasionally. But he sticks with this serial killer stuff, which winds up just making him look evasive of his own feelings, and immature.
Just my two cents.
I think that was more true of GFD.
Raven seems to spread its influences around a bit more than that.
saw him in Minneapolis last night after sadly, an 8-Year Hiatus (which the other 2 previous shows with PT SOLD OUT by the way). Epic show as I'm sure others who've seen him and his band know.Did he ever make mention that he hadn't been here in awhile?
saw him in Minneapolis last night after sadly, an 8-Year Hiatus (which the other 2 previous shows with PT SOLD OUT by the way). Epic show as I'm sure others who've seen him and his band know.Did he ever make mention that he hadn't been here in awhile?
Ah, yeah I can agree with that I guess. :)I think that was more true of GFD.
Raven seems to spread its influences around a bit more than that.
I know that GFD sounds more Crimson...I'm more referring to the spirit in which the music is created and executed...that had started already, but is definitely cemented now.
Anyone else hitting the sf show?
Live, Wilson adds a quiet vocal over the wordless vocal that sounds like, "I'm dead," sang four times, which could be conveying how dead Rader felt since he was no longer killing, the case had gone cold, and he was thus getting no more attention (something he always craved).Last night I was listening for this and I'm pretty sure Wilson was singing "I'm done". I might have misheard but I'm pretty sure that's what it was.
That's what I heard, too.I was on the left side but my seat was right next to the center stairs. So practically the center of the balcony. Row GG Seat 12.
snowdog, what side of the balcony were you on? We may have been near each other :)
Dude! No way! I was in EE Seat 12 :rollin
I was the gal in the piano tutu and Zappa shirt, if that rings any bells.
Btw, what really made my night was getting to hear SW say, with childlike excitement, "I can stick my finger up its ass!"
What a bummer that not more Raven songs are on GAYD, and also that Guthrie isn't playing.SW needs to release a live album and DVD from this tour! I know they filmed the Frankfurt show, but I don't think there are any plans to release it.
Dude! No way! I was in EE Seat 12 :rollin
I was the gal in the piano tutu and Zappa shirt, if that rings any bells.
Btw, what really made my night was getting to hear SW say, with childlike excitement, "I can stick my finger up its ass!"
I will say this, knowing now that Raider II is about the BTK killer Dennis Rader, if you read up on him and then listen to the song, the ebb and flow of the song is absolutely perfect when reflecting the trajectory of his story:
-The quiet, ominous intro is his f'd up head planting the seeds of killing.
-The vocals kick in and the continued quietness of the song, with the occasional loudness, portrays the initial four murders, the quiet still portraying ominous thoughts, while the rocking parts portray the acts of murder.
-The instrumental section that kicks in around the 8-minute mark portrays his elongated killing spree, where he claims six more victims, the brief mellow section in the middle portraying the huge gap in between the 7th (1977) and 8th (1985) murder.
-The quiet section that starts around 12-minute mark is the passage of time between the final murder (1991) and when the case becomes alive again (late 2004). Live, Wilson adds a quiet vocal over the wordless vocal that sounds like, "I'm dead," sang four times, which could be conveying how dead Rader felt since he was no longer killing, the case had gone cold, and he was thus getting no more attention (something he always craved).
-Shortly after the 14:30 mark, the music there conveys the re-emergence of the case, thanks to Rader taunting the police with anonymous letters, almost like he is begging for attention and wanting the world to know he was, hence, "I'm Raider!!!!!!!!!!!" The conclusion of that section, as the music builds to the furious finish, caps off the police closing in on him, him finally being arrested and convicted, and the long chaotic "ending" is his world finally crashing down around him.
-The mellow coda at the end, originally thought to be somewhat of a mystery as to why it was necessary, to me, shows what his life is now in prison: lonely, dark and cold, with those occasional guitar leads indicating either the crazy thoughts still in his head and/or him going crazy by his lonely, unending and inevitable existence in prison.
Thoughts?
Holy shit what a show!!!!!
Yeah, it was one of the best show I've seen in a long time. It felt majestic.
Yeah, it was one of the best show I've seen in a long time. It felt majestic.
Ya know... that would be a great name for a band... Majesty!
Okay, well, here comes the part where I'm disagreeable:I do generally quite like Steven Wilson's lyrics, and I think he actually has quite a nice balance. Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream have a lot of love songs, he's frequently romantic, but he's unusual about it, he writes about love in an unorthodox way, which I find quite refreshing.
I've never been a big fan of Steven Wilson's lyrics. He has a few songs where he channels a strong inner poet, but more than a few all-out misses, and mostly a lot of "meh". Aside from that, I've never shared his topical interests and in most cases would rather just not know what his songs are about, because it ruins them for me. His morbid fascination just does not speak to me at all.
He could probably reach a much larger audience if he'd step away from bizarro-land to write about something more personal occasionally. But he sticks with this serial killer stuff, which winds up just making him look evasive of his own feelings, and immature.
Just my two cents.
I must say I was very surprised since I was expecting the show to be a bit dull because I always had the impression that Wilson is not a fun guy live being such a fan of Robert Fripp and all but that was not the case at all.
Every time I listen to Watchmaker I think I'm listening to an early Genesis record I just never heard before.
It's still great though :biggrin:
I'm still surprised you don't like The Watchmaker, but I look forward to you coming around on it and admitting how wrong you were. :biggrin:I like most of it! It's just the end that's... it feels like it's contradicting the rest of the song. It doesn't work for me - doesn't gel.
But glad you really liked everything else right away! :tup :tup
I just discovered SW a few weeks ago when a former coworker/fellow drummer asked me if I wanted to go see Marco Minneman in November with SW. The venue had a link to Raven so I watched that video along with The Watchmaker on the commute to work... I bought the album on iTunes as soon as I got to work (I never buy music on iTunes) and have been hooked ever since (I bought his other two albums also on iTunes in short order and the Blue ray of The Raven... Live in Mexico special set should be here any day) :). Haven't had time to check out PT (One of those names I've heard a thousand times but never got around to checking out) but I think SW solo is a little more my taste...
I'm still surprised you don't like The Watchmaker, but I look forward to you coming around on it and admitting how wrong you were. :biggrin:I like most of it! It's just the end that's... it feels like it's contradicting the rest of the song. It doesn't work for me - doesn't gel.
But glad you really liked everything else right away! :tup :tup
That said, you're right, I can absolutely picture myself coming around on it and admitting how wrong I am. "Jesus, what was with that guy?!" For now, not fond. Whether that's because I didn't hear it in the context of the album first time round, or because it really doesn't match quite as well, I'm not sure yet. I'm sure there might've been some equally wacky passages in Luminol. But I've only heard it twice. Once on disc. Let's see how it goes!
Anyway, now it looks like it's going to be Chad Wackerman and not MM playing in Denmark in December so I was wondering if there are any YouTube videos out there since Wackerman took the chair (I found one not so clear video where I couldn't make out the drummer even though I should be able to hear the difference I just wasn't sure...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw
Thanks but that is with Marco (seen it and I think it's awesome)... I'm curious to see How Wackermans playing (the same material) compares (I wrote my last post in a hurry and on my phone so it might not have been clear). I was hoping something might pop up from one of the South America shows or the Nokia(?) in LA with Wackerman playing.Anyway, now it looks like it's going to be Chad Wackerman and not MM playing in Denmark in December so I was wondering if there are any YouTube videos out there since Wackerman took the chair (I found one not so clear video where I couldn't make out the drummer even though I should be able to hear the difference I just wasn't sure...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw
here you go! :tup
Just dropping in to say once more how incredible this album is. It's been in constant rotation for me, gets played at least once per day.
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.This.
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.
To each their own I guess, but unless DT tread major new ground, this isn't going to happen.
Damn, neither did I... and yeah, sadly the DT days are in the past for me. No way it's even contending with Wilson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtZIUgY0IM&feature=youtu.be
TRTRTS live :hefdaddy
Jess Cope is currently working on a new animated video for the song "Drive Home" from the current album, which will be released as the lead track on an EP in October. The film will also be part of the revamped live show that will be on the road from mid October. Here are some work in progress stills....(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/602472_601455729874693_972038749_n.jpg)
Quote from: Steven Wilson's FacebookJess Cope is currently working on a new animated video for the song "Drive Home" from the current album, which will be released as the lead track on an EP in October. The film will also be part of the revamped live show that will be on the road from mid October. Here are some work in progress stills....
This looks really cool! I love her other two videos, so I'm sure this will be fantastic.
And, am I imagining this, or is this EP supposed to include a new song/songs? I vaguely remember it being mentioned in an interview.
That rings a bell. Can't wait to hear it!Quote from: Steven Wilson's FacebookJess Cope is currently working on a new animated video for the song "Drive Home" from the current album, which will be released as the lead track on an EP in October. The film will also be part of the revamped live show that will be on the road from mid October. Here are some work in progress stills....
This looks really cool! I love her other two videos, so I'm sure this will be fantastic.
And, am I imagining this, or is this EP supposed to include a new song/songs? I vaguely remember it being mentioned in an interview.
Steven said that a song called 'The Birthday Party' will be released on it. I don't remember which interview it was from, though.
Yeah, I would say the odds are slim to none that he would put the stuff on both records...
Didn't Pain Of Salvation do that with the Linoleum EP?
Didn't Pain Of Salvation do that with the Linoleum EP?
There are a few songs on Linoleum that ended up on any of the Road Salt albums, but there are also a few that didn't. So it still has some unique songs.
:lolpalm:
Oh man, I just got King Crimson's Lizard and GFD makes a lot more sense now.
Lizard is awesome, I don't care what anyone else says, I love that album.This.
It's a badass album! Some Zappa-like moments in there, I think. I can't stop listening to it.
Lizard is awesome, I don't care what anyone else says, I love that album.Agreed. It's fantastic.
In chronological order (these probably fit on a single disc):There's a disturbing lack of TRTRTS (song) on your list :biggrin: But :tup for the rest of it.
Harmony Korine
Abandoner
Salvaging
Get All You Deserve
Insurgentes
No Part of Me
Postcard
Index
Drive Home
The Holy Drinker
The Pin Drop
Oh yeah, Postcard :heart
Pretty much, yeah. I love Deform To Form A Star and Raider II as well.Oh yeah, Postcard :heart
best song from GfD
I'm a huge fan ... of Sectarian. I love how dark that one is.
Am I the only one that loves the short transitional pieces? Belle de Jour is a really beautiful opening to the second disc. I remember seeing a SW interview where he said that it was one of the pieces he was most proud of from GFD, and I can definitely see why. And Raider Prelude has a really eerie and dark vibe, which I absolutely love. Not to mention the title track with Rudess on piano; I love that one too.
Agreed!Seconded.
Yes I love Belle De Jour. :heart :heartDang, that's a fantastic song. One of my Steven Wilson favorites, actually.
So, about this Drive Home "video EP"... what would it be?
Jess Cope is also working on a new animated film for Drive Home. There will be a video EP out in time for the tour, which will include this, as well as the earlier video Jess made for The Raven that Refused to Sing, and a couple of live songs filmed in Frankfurt in March this year (different to the ones we already put on YouTube).
Here are the full contents of the Drive Home video EP - it will be released on Kscope in both Blu-Ray/CD and DVD/CD combinations in October.(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1238738_620305817989684_2020504830_n.jpg)
Blu-Ray / DVD (running time: 30m video + 11m audio only)
Drive Home (video)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (video)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
The Birthday Party (audio only)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix - audio only)
CD (running time: 30m)
Drive Home (4.08 edit)
The Birthday Party
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
Here are some pre-emptive answers to possible questions (I tried to think of everything!) :
The new Drive Home video is directed by Jess Cope who also did the beautiful and much acclaimed video to The Raven that Refused to Sing. The video will also be released on the internet.
The all new cover artwork is by Hajo Mueller, based on the characters from the video.
The Birthday Party is an additional (mainly instrumental) song from the sessions for The Raven that Refused to Sing.
All the songs on the Blu-Ray and DVD are mixed in both stereo and 5.1 sound, including the 2 audio only titles.
The audio on the Blu-Ray is full lossless 96/24 throughout.
There won't be any other DVD release from The Raven that Refused to Sing tour.
The CD duplicates most of the contents from the video disc for ease of home/in car listening.
The video for the Raven that Refused to Sing could not previously have been included on the Blu-Ray of the album because it was not ready in time.
There won't be a vinyl edition.
As with the album the audio is again flat transferred from the mixes, no mastering was done.
Despite being a double disc, I wanted it to be priced as an EP, so hopefully very reasonably - I'm waiting for the record company to confirm prices.
The video is for the full length album version of Drive Home, the edit only appears on the CD.
Due to a lot of requests the 2 live songs from Frankfurt currently on the official YouTube channel, The Watchmaker and The Raven that Refused to Sing, are being added to the Drive Home release. The DVD/BD now runs for one hour, and the CD for 50 minutes. Hmm... I might have a hard time persuading the record company that this is still an EP (-;
The revised running order:
DVD/BD
Drive Home (video)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (video)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
The Watchmaker (live in Frankfurt)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (live in Frankfurt)
The Birthday Party (audio only)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix - audio only)
CD
Drive Home (4.08 edit)
The Birthday Party
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
The Watchmaker (live in Frankfurt)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (live in Frankfurt)
That video is fantastic.
That video is fantastic.
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. Those bastards really know how to make a person tear up. I straight up bawled when I first watched the Raven vid, and this song isn't as emotional to me but the video is fantastic, and it actually made the song itself more emotional. Wonderful video. 99% of the time I vehemently abhor the shit they call 'music videos' these days, even for most of the bands that I really like, but Wilson and co. know what they're doing and they do it so fucking well. You fuckers. Depress and enthrall me all at once. :'( :millahhhh :heart
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).
"Lick My Love Pump"
Just seen both those vids for the first time - absolutely wonderful! :'(
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).On paper that sounds like an over-the-top and perhaps kind of pretentious idea, but I think (or at least hope) Steven knows how to execute it well :D
Just came by to say that "Deform to form a star" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. I'm addicted to the joy it makes me feel.
He's playing tonight in a venue not even one kilometer from where I am now. Unfortunately I have a gig myself tonight, so I won't be able to make it. To comfort myself, I have just bought the Drive Home Bluray/CD thing.I can't make it either :(
I just think the placement of Trains in the set looks weird. It would make more sense to me if it was an encore-song like Radioactive Toy, not the song that opens the set.
Still, really excited to see him in November.
Just came by to say that "Deform to form a star" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. I'm addicted to the joy it makes me feel.
Amen Nekov, Amen.
Going to see SW tonight... Can't wait!!!! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!
John Wesley was VERY friendly.
Wow, he is playing Abandoner now? Sweet!!
I still wish he'd play Salvaging live.
When he built up to Drive Home (I think that was it anyway) he told how he wasn't really a musician like the other members of his band and how he had to use kind of a story to get his ideas across...
So anyway, he ended up telling a story (little by little with guitar examples from Guthrie along the way) of the lonely Swede lost in the forest being chased by a troll....
So I was wondering if it was the lonely Dane he talked about at the show in Sweden (or something completely different)... Maybe he felt kind of bad and that's why you guys got Abandoner (doesn't look like anything was substituted from Friday night, just an extra song and different encore... You lucky bastards ;D)
I was also pleasantly surprised to see that the show wasn't exactly the same as earlier legs of the tour and I really liked the opening video sequence and the way he opened the show not to mention the surround (or quad or whatever it was) sound.... And the list goes on.
I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!
John Wesley was VERY friendly.
Um, like borderline sexual harassment? Or just, he was a really nice guy?
Just curious ;)
It was almost like a mellow mix between Massive Attack and chilled drum and bass for a while.I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!
John Wesley was VERY friendly.
Um, like borderline sexual harassment? Or just, he was a really nice guy?
Just curious ;)
I wished Govan hadn't have improvised quite as much with the Drive Home solo though, the album version is one of the greatest solos I've ever heard but live it was altered to such an extent that a lot of the details and frills and stuff I love were either changed or omitted. I know some people prefer bands to mix it up a bit live, though, I often do but on this occasion I think I would have liked it a little more like the CD.
Waiting... In the front row. :metalAnd oh my God how awesome it was! The intro video was really cool and weird in a good way and built the tension until Steven finally walked on stage and performed the acoustic version of Trains. It actually worked very well as an opening song and didn't feel out of place at all. When the whole band arrived on stage and started Luminol, it was just pure perfection that lasted until the last note of the show.
It's hard for me to get blown away by stuff I haven't heard before, in a live setting. Like I said, I did like the two new songs he played, but I really need to get familiar with the stuff before I can fully enjoy it. If I hadn't heard Raven and went to this show, I would probably stand around a lot of the time just being unable to take anything in. For me at least, being familiar with the material beforehand is really important.
Yeah, it's only Steven with his voice and an acoustic guitar. :)
So anyway, he ended up telling a story (little by little with guitar examples from Guthrie along the way) of the lonely Swede lost in the forest being chased by a troll....
Been listening to The Raven... a lot since I got about a week ago, and I like it more every time I listen to it. It's probably my #2 for this year (though that doesn't say much, I haven't heard many albums this year :lol).
Anyway, does anyone else think Steven is trying out new things, as far as his vocals go? I'm thinking specifically of The Pin Drop and The Holy Drinker, where it seems like he sings in ways we haven't heard him do before.
Just a thought I had, entirely free, and likely worth what it costs. :P
Been listening to The Raven... a lot since I got about a week ago, and I like it more every time I listen to it. It's probably my #2 for this year (though that doesn't say much, I haven't heard many albums this year :lol).
Ooo, definitely do that, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Honestly, I don't think it's really that much of a 70s prog album. There's definitely influences there, but it's mostly just SW. Maybe I just haven't heard enough 70s prog.
I don't think GfD and Raven are all that similar. Yeah, they have similar elements, but the albums have a totally different feel to me.
Yeah, same here. I mean, duh, both are clearly Steven Wilson albums, but Raven has an energy to it that GfD doesn't, IMHO. They're miles apart in my book.Agreed.
I can think of fewer albums that need a remaster less than In Absentia. Just get the 5.1 DVD-A, it's amazing. I don't know how you could really want for more after that.
Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.
Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.
Now this interests me greatly. Of all of their sessions, this one got the most non-album tracks in recent history, many of which weren't readily available to the public. The album itself had only 12 tracks, but not included in them were at least 6 more: "Collapse" (the original intro and bookending track to match the closer), "Meantime", "Orchidia" (I think originally a track from the Lightbulb Sun sessions but released with IA tunes), "Futile", "Drown With Me", and "Chloroform".
I would love a chance to hear all of these tracks, together, with the same mixing and mastering, as one whole set, especially with the non-album tracks mixed in so as to include "Collapse" at the beginning of the album as it was intended. I really hope SW can get to work on this, but it seems less likely now that we're past the 11th anniversary of the album. A shame...maybe a 10th Anniversary Edition of Deadwing in 2015 could be in order, with all of ITS non-album tracks thrown in?
-Marc.
If I recall correctly, I don't think SW did the IA surround mixes. Maybe he just wants his shot at doing it himself.
Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.
Now this interests me greatly. Of all of their sessions, this one got the most non-album tracks in recent history, many of which weren't readily available to the public. The album itself had only 12 tracks, but not included in them were at least 6 more: "Collapse" (the original intro and bookending track to match the closer), "Meantime", "Orchidia" (I think originally a track from the Lightbulb Sun sessions but released with IA tunes), "Futile", "Drown With Me", and "Chloroform".
I would love a chance to hear all of these tracks, together, with the same mixing and mastering, as one whole set, especially with the non-album tracks mixed in so as to include "Collapse" at the beginning of the album as it was intended. I really hope SW can get to work on this, but it seems less likely now that we're past the 11th anniversary of the album. A shame...maybe a 10th Anniversary Edition of Deadwing in 2015 could be in order, with all of ITS non-album tracks thrown in?
-Marc.
not chuffed about this either. there are also the demos of "Cut Ribbon" and "Imogen Slaughter" that haven't been released officially yet (though he finally finished CR for GFD) for further bonus content. as Big Hath mentioned, SW didn't mix the surround, either... so if he redid that and included all the bonus stuff, i'd be all over that!
interesting that you brought up DW — it was released by Lava as well, so it may have the same contractual problems as IA. iirc, that's why "Mother & Child Divided" wasn't released anywhere except on the DVD-A. that'd be another tasty anniversary issue, though, as SW has mentioned he wishes he'd made "Half-Light" the closing track (a decision with which i completely agree) and DW is also the loudest, clippiest PT mastering job.
I've never heard the studio version of Half-Light, but the version on the Anesthetize DVD is sublime.
A second edition repress of Tonefloat’s deluxe box set of Steven’s I.E.M. project is now available to pre-order for release in late Jan / early Feb. The set comes in a beautiful Carl Glover designed deluxe hardback slipcase, containing a 60 page booklet and 4 CDs, each housed in its own mini album sleeve, representing all of the recordings that Steven made under the name of I.E.M. (Incredible Expanding Mindfuck) between 1996-2001.
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/i-e-m-complete-4-cd-box-set-repress-pre-order/
Half-Light >>> Glass Arm Shattering
Half-Light >>> Glass Arm Shattering
Glass Arm Shattering>>>Half-Life
Glass Arm is the best song off DW.
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P:iagree:
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P:iagree:
The Watchmaker is actually my least favorite song on the album.
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P:iagree:
The Watchmaker is actually my least favorite song on the album.
Steven Wilson is getting my attention. Never heard anything from him, just a few Porcupine Tree stuff and "Drive Home", which i didn't really like.
Recommend me something! Where should i start?
As a HUUUUUGE Steven Wilson fan, i think you should listen Arriving Somewhere but Not Here, Luminol and Sky Moves Sideways which will give you great insight on his proggy side and if you have more of a metal taste like half of this forum you should listen fear of a blank planet, sound of muzak and shallow :D these are my favourites :D
Listen to the first two tracks on In Absentia. That sure got me hooked!
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P
Just got the Drive Home EP and it's pretty great, though I'm a little confused about the mixing on The Watchmaker. You can barely hear Theo and Adam. Nicks voice is pretty low as well. I wonder what that's all about. Insurgentes is fantastic though, splendid version of the song.
Just got the Drive Home EP and it's pretty great, though I'm a little confused about the mixing on The Watchmaker. You can barely hear Theo and Adam. Nicks voice is pretty low as well. I wonder what that's all about. Insurgentes is fantastic though, splendid version of the song.
I had the same thing. There's two audio options on the BR, try the other one!
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P
Dear past me,
Umm, i hate you pretentious idiot, watchmaker is the greatest song ever made and has one of the greatest guitar solos ever...idiot >:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f7KZ8JyBRQVery interesting, thanks.
This is a good interview & I agree with most of what he says. However - I use decent headphones in my iPhone ( not earbuds ) and I only ever import at 320kbps.
At home I of course listen to music on my speakers and I import CDs into iTunes at almost WAV quality.
His legs, in a speedo.
New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/
I'm feeling like the chances of PT ever coming back are getting smaller and smaller.Same. Which is a shame, cos I like pop-Wilson way more than prog-Wilson, but if it's not where he is, he shouldn't force it.
I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.
I've noticed an interesting trend:
Insurgentes
Grace For Drowning
The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)
The titles are getting progressively longer.
What could be next? ???
I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.
It is too jazzy at times, and Richard Barbieri hates jazz, so good luck getting him to play a lot of that material. Plus, his solo stuff has a lot of emphasis on playing, while PT was never a band that was about flashy playing. Big, big difference.
I've noticed an interesting trend:
Insurgentes
Grace For Drowning
The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)
The titles are getting progressively longer.
What could be next? ???
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I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.
It is too jazzy at times, and Richard Barbieri hates jazz, so good luck getting him to play a lot of that material. Plus, his solo stuff has a lot of emphasis on playing, while PT was never a band that was about flashy playing. Big, big difference.
RB may hate jazz...but go back and listen to Signify and then listen to Raven again. I see SW's solo stuff as finding a home in the Signify-Stupid Dream era of PT...and I think that's a good thing. As a matter of fact, I think that's why I'm digging Raven so much. It reminds me of Signify.
Pfft. Fiona Apple did it first.
And #2 : Boy Bands have not "won". There has been and always will be pop music.
It's like saying green has won because it still exists.
New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/
Musically there are similarities, but what SW is doing now is much more about everyone displaying their technical skill, and PT was never about that. It's a bit of a shame sadly, but if this is what SW wants to do, then he will keep doing it.
I'm not counting Grace, because it's a different thing than Raven. On Grace he wrote a lot of the music without any intentions, but on Raven he has stated that he wrote the music with the musicians in mind, clearly taking it a step further. The new stuff he has been playing live is very much like the Raven stuff, a lot of technical skill and it also seems to be written the same way Raven was, with SW writing complex music for complex musicians. Grace was different, it might have had some of the same musicians he has now, but the way it was written was different.
All I want is one more album and tour, because I never got to see PT live and they deserve a better swansong than The Incident.The Incident was badass, but it never came alive until I heard it in a live environment, so there's that. Perhaps a little sterile on disc. Also, I do rather like the idea that Porcupine Tree's last message was "Remember Me, Lover."
The Incident was badass
IMO:
In Absentia/Deadwing >>>>>> FOABP/The Incident
...this!IMO:
In Absentia/Deadwing >>>>>> FOABP/The Incident
Lightbulb Sun/Stupid Dream >>>>>> any combination of the other PT albums
:coolio
Kev, no joke, I thought of you and you posting this if you saw it. :lol
If we're going non-consecutive, Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun are the champions for me, but Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun are so clearly sisters. And terrific ones.
Theoretically, a Steven Wilson thread could be about all projects involving SW, while the PT thread is more project-specific. :P
Of course, we'd have to have heard them first... :P
Only six albums? I know full-time bands with less than that. :lol
To me, SW's best at singing, so him not being the lead vocalist is what puts me off No-Man.
I guess you weren't too keen on the last couple Blackfield albums, then, were you?
MFW I pay $10+($22 if I want it on vinyl) for a grindcore record that's 21 minutes long.
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New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/
I read somewhere that SW has contributed to about 40 albums in 20 years.
Whilst some bands struggle with one every decade.
Just skimming through that ridiculously long document, a lot of those are not albums. In the article just recently posted SW is quoted saying 30-40 albums, so I'm gonna go with that.
Anyway, after skimming the last few pages of this thread, just a few comments-
I am psyched for a new album!
I don't think SW's solo stuff sounds anything like earlier PT. On top of that, he's not putting this stuff under the PT name because... well, it's a different band.
I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back. I miss them too, but would gladly take any of SW's solo stuff over The Incident. This is where his heart is, clearly.
Carry on.
Both tend to get too extra fill-happy live, which sometimes borders on overplaying, but both are still pretty awesome on the skins. :hat
I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back...This is where his heart is, clearly.
I agree I like the direction SW is going...keeping it fresh. Raven is my favorite of his solo efforts. And can I just say the Drive Home guitar solo (especially the texture..sounds like a sax when it starts IMO) is just perfect!
Just discovered PT and Steven Wilson. My favorite off of Raven is 'Drive Home', but the Holy Drinker is one badass song.
I'm in trouble with the wife. :omg: I just used most of the ITunes card to buy PT's Deadwing and Fear of a blank planet. I already bought Wilson's Raven cd. The PT live cd Coma Divine is great. I am considering that purchase, but will have to get another ITunes card.It's definitely ok to talk about PT on this thread, as well as Steven Wilson's other projects. Since you're a newer fan, you might not have been aware of the current situation regarding the future of PT, but the group have been on a hiatus since the fall of 2010 in order for Steven to concentrate on his solo albums, but unfortunately of that there are some fans who have still yet to get over it and accept the fact that the solo career is now his main musical priority at the moment.
Hope it is ok to talk of PT on this thread.
I think I'll be happy with whatever Steven Wilson decides to do, he rarely lets me down.
It's hit or miss (e.g. FOABP did little for me) but frankly I'd rather have an artist who cares about his art and doesn't stand still and thus dares treading new ground, than some other unnamed bands who just keep doing variations of the same thing.
unfortunately there are some fans who have still yet to get over it and accept the fact that the solo career is now his main musical priority at the moment.Again, with the digs at people for having different opinions! Not you specifically, but is this what GMD is, now?! You can accept something without being thrilled about it, and if you aren't thrilled about something it's totally okay to occasionally and tactfully express that. Great that you love SW's current stuff, that's utterly brilliant, I think The Raven's a great album too, but I mean - look, you've got three albums you love! What have they got? Nothing, and lip.
As I've said in the Chroma Key thread, a Steven Wilson + Kevin Moore collaboration could be amazing!
I think it would be awesome if Steven produced the next Katatonia album. Jonas Renkse mentioned in a recent interview that they would love to have Steven produce their next album if their schedule synchronize.Oh yes... :caffeine:
I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back...This is where his heart is, clearly.
Slightly modified it, but I agree with this part.
I'm glad I became a fan of SW's other projects before PT called a hiatus. It really softened the blow of that announcement. People saying "Oh, PT will be back after SW4". PT will be back when everyone in the band wants it back. This is what I like about Steven Wilson. He treads his own musical path, not just going along with what the fans want.
Anyway, changing the subject, today is the 1st anniversary of the release of The Raven That Refused to Sing!
A year on, what's your favourite song now, compared to what it was on your first few hearings?
Didn't Steven sing on one of the songs off of the first OSI album?
Didn't Steven sing on one of the songs off of the first OSI album?
Yessss :heart
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.I didn't participate in the survivor, but I saw the results a year ago and I remember those two being the top 2.
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.I didn't participate in the survivor, but I saw the results a year ago and I remember those two being the top 2.
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.Seriously - Trains didn't win? Everyone always goes mad for Trains! I agree, Arriving Somewhere's better, but I'm just surprised based on what I thought I knew about this message board. Clearly, I'm out of touch!
Voyage 34 is totally my favorite PT song
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.Seriously - Trains didn't win? Everyone always goes mad for Trains! I agree, Arriving Somewhere's better, but I'm just surprised based on what I thought I knew about this message board. Clearly, I'm out of touch!
Voyage 34 is totally my favorite PF songFIFM
Seriously - Trains didn't win? Everyone always goes mad for Trains!Except me :biggrin:
Trains is pretty good, but there are eight songs from IA that I like better.FTFM
I played IA for my roommate, and that's the only song he really liked. Can't figure it out.I think it's because it's easy to digest and has all that groove and a strong personality.
On the 1st of May, Blackfield will perform at the Best Buy Theater in New York City. Tickets will go on sale next week.
Please note that this will be the band's only date in the USA. This show will be Steven Wilson's final performance with Blackfield.
Just listened to the Coma Divine Live cd and I have to say that 'Not beautiful anymore' is one of the best live songs I have ever heard. :metal I need to bite the bullet and get this cd. The cost is 20.00 US on Itunes.
Just listened to the Coma Divine Live cd and I have to say that 'Not beautiful anymore' is one of the best live songs I have ever heard. :metal I need to bite the bullet and get this cd. The cost is 20.00 US on Itunes.
$20.00 on iTunes?! What a rip-off! Go to amazon instead and their mp3 version is only $13.86, or better yet, just get the physical CDs for as cheap as $14.83 after shipping.
-Marc.
As this page passes the 200,000 likes / followers milestone, I’d like to thank everyone here for your continued interest and support, and all the encouraging comments and career advice (-:
I'm old enough to remember the days when getting information out to 200,000 potentially interested people would have meant putting 200,000 newsletters into 200,000 envelopes, and buying 200,000 stamps to stick on them! So as a musician there is at least one big reason to be grateful for the internet.
For the past few months I've been working hard on my next album, and will continue through until towards the end of the year for a release early in 2015 (but we'll bring you some previews before that). I won't say too much about it now, just that it’s another project where the music, story, and visuals all work together, and that we're trying to raise the bar again. Pretentious, and proudly so!
SW
meh
I guess it will be about 2 years come early 2015, but it still feels relatively soon for another SW release...
Is Guthrie and Marco going to be on the new record? Does anyone know?
meh
Meh what? Meh this isn't all that much of an update? (agree) or meh you're not excited about early 2015 SW?
Is Guthrie and Marco going to be on the new record? Does anyone know?
They will, I am far too lazy to look up any links or source, but he's said on a few occasions that this new album will, like the last, be tailored for this line-up of guys. But unless something has come up very recently, this is to be his solo band; it's pretty clear he loves playing with the guys and from seeing them play together live, they work very well and all seem to be having a lot of fun. I'm sure many can attest to that at least. :millahhhh :metal I'd be extremely surprised if any line-up changes occurred. For the album at least, who knows how the new tour will go, but hopefully there's no scheduling conflicts like last time.
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker... :P
Dear past me,
Umm, i hate you pretentious idiot, watchmaker is the greatest song ever made and has one of the greatest guitar solos ever...idiot >:(
So Marco, are there any other upcoming projects in the pipeline? Will you continue on with Steven Wilson now that he’s working on the follow-up to “The Raven Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)”?
Marco: Yes, we will be recording the new Steven Wilson album in September. Also, a new Aristocrats album in will be on the way soon.
Someone was asking wether or not Marco will drum on solo album #4? Well, from a recent interview with Echoes and Dust, here's Marco to answer that question...QuoteSo Marco, are there any other upcoming projects in the pipeline? Will you continue on with Steven Wilson now that he’s working on the follow-up to “The Raven Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)”?
Marco: Yes, we will be recording the new Steven Wilson album in September. Also, a new Aristocrats album in will be on the way soon.
I never thought of Insurgentes as 80's influenced... what bands/artists are you thinking about? I consider Insurgentes the most unique of his efforts (and my favorite)
I never thought of Insurgentes as 80's influenced... what bands/artists are you thinking about? I consider Insurgentes the most unique of his efforts (and my favorite)
Well he has said it himself that he was very influenced by bands like The Cure and Joy Division. The Post-Punk elements feel very 80s IMO. But yeah, overall what I love about Insurgentes is that it feels very timeless. You have nods to bands like The Cure and Joy Division, but you also have the nod to King Crimson and the drone/noise aspects. I would love another album like Insurgentes.
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.
Had no idea Cover Version was even a thing, but I saw it at the record store and said to myself "Oh, a new Steven Wilson album! That's a thing!" and bought it. I know the background for it now, but I've never heard any of this stuff, so it's all new to me. ;D
Yeah, there were a few bits I liked, but overall it was pretty meh. And the video itself was super cheesy, but I seem to think that about all lyric videos so take that as you will.Well, the whole project exists to raise money for charity, so I don't think cheesy videos are a problem at all.
Kate never was big in the US.I think I misread the statement, as I thought it mean that one of the albums 80s albums hit the number 1 in the US and the other hit number 1 in the UK. But yeah, if they are chart-toppers in both countries, then it's definitely not Kate Bush. I guess we'll find out soon enough!
I thought "respectively" meant one in the US and one in the UK...
Steven Wilson @StevenWilsonHQ 1m
Recording of the follow up album to 'The Raven that Refused To Sing' starts this month (with the same band line-up).
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Kate never was big in the US.I think I misread the statement, as I thought it mean that one of the albums 80s albums hit the number 1 in the US and the other hit number 1 in the UK.
I thought "respectively" meant one in the US and one in the UK...
Again Jackie is correct. leave it to dude, not to read the instructions. :lol
So maybe it is Kate Bush!
Okay, name a song.
I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time aroundThis.
Agree.I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time aroundThis.
Same. If he continues in the '70s prog route, I'm afraid he might repeat what he did with PT and The Incident and end up with a good but superfluous sounding album.Agree.I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time aroundThis.
I thought The Raven.. was plenty modern. Yes, the classic prog influences were strong, but it still had enough of the modern SW stamp to not sound derivative or anything like that. Or are we really calling anything with lots of mellotron and flute classic prog-sounding and non-modern?
Well, he did have Alan Parson's as the engineer as well. :lol
I like to think of is as a modern twist on classic prog. Either way, I'm all in for whatever he releases.
I thought The Raven.. was plenty modern. Yes, the classic prog influences were strong, but it still had enough of the modern SW stamp to not sound derivative or anything like that. Or are we really calling anything with lots of mellotron and flute classic prog-sounding and non-modern?Totally agreed.
To add a little bit what Kev said, the live show for TRTRTS seemed so complete with all the members that played in the album was on tour. That show still resonates with me. I believe Rumbo was blown away as well.
I don't think it was much of a risk even though it was his name on it. Every fan of his knew all his other side project like Bass Communion which expanded his influences. Hell! P-Tree is diverse in their influences.
Just finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.
From Marco Minneman's Facebook...QuoteJust finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.
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From Marco Minneman's Facebook...QuoteJust finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.
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ALREADY?!
They might be still recording vocals, armonies and other little arrangements and details that can't be recorded with the live setup.From Marco Minneman's Facebook...QuoteJust finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.
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ALREADY?!
Yeah I'm quite shocked by how fast they recorded the album too, but at the same time we probably shouldn't be surprised because TRTRTS was recorded in only 7 days.
I remembered shortly after the documentary came out I actually went there and tried to recreate the whole "Carousel Of Prog" thing :rollinAwesome! :lol
Having discovered this glorious video I decided to change my avatar. :DHaha, awesome!
The exact tweet/FB post was:
Five more Steven Wilson classic album remixes are to be released this year, including two iconic 80’s albums that reached number 1 in the UK and USA respectively. All should be officially announced over the next few weeks.
I am trying to figure out what those 80s albums would be, too. It'd be awesome if The Police's Synchronicity was one of them (it did go to number 1 both here and the UK), but does Wilson have the pull and name recognition to do a remix for a band as popular and mainstream as them?
Songs From The Big Chair will be re-released on November 10th, and will be available in 5 formats, including a 6-disc deluxe edition box set with previously unreleased material and a 5.1 surround sound mix by Steven Wilson.
More info at https://tearsforfears.com
I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.
I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.
I could not agree anymore. I've loved all his output no matter what influences he has at the time.
Do Steven Wilson CDs come with adult diapers? If not, they should.
Do Steven Wilson CDs come with adult diapers? If not, they should.
I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.
I could not agree anymore. I've loved all his output no matter what influences he has at the time.
Yeah, I remember being somewhat skeptical towards his experimental approach to Insurgentes when it first came out, but there was one moment where it just clicked and I went like HOLY SHIT.
Probably that moment in Abandoner when the huge distorted sound kicks in before the song ends.
I'm torn between "yoga pants :drool:" and "somebody feed her so her thighs aren't so far apart :|"
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.This.
Definitely this. I wasn't a huge fan on him when they played by here last time, so I won't miss this :metal .One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.This.
I was and missed them two times :'(Definitely this. I wasn't a huge fan on him when they played by here last time, so I won't miss this :metal .One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.This.
I think that Anneke Van Giersbergen is singing on the last song of the trailer.
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
Does SW tour the US? Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US. Worth the 200 mile trip.
Just because I was there, it was St. Petersburg, FL actually :POne thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
Does SW tour the US? Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US. Worth the 200 mile trip.
Yes he does. On the last tour he played in Atlanta, GA and Tampa, FL which were the only shows he had in the southeast.
Just because I was there, it was St. Petersburg, FL actually :POne thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
Does SW tour the US? Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US. Worth the 200 mile trip.
Yes he does. On the last tour he played in Atlanta, GA and Tampa, FL which were the only shows he had in the southeast.
Has anyone else listened to Sunsets on Empire by Fish? SW produced that record and wrote most of the music. You can hear his stamp all over the album - I recommend it even if you haven't listened to old Marillion or Fish's other solo releases.