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Title: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
Steven deserves his own separate thread (there you go faemir ;) )
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on June 08, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
Iaindeed.

So how bout this guy. He's the best them amirite?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 08, 2011, 02:50:44 PM
I was actually gonna make this thread when I read that. I even had the title made up:

"The Official DTF Circle Jer- *ahem* Steven Wilson Thread"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 08, 2011, 02:57:52 PM
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning

expected release in the fall!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on June 08, 2011, 03:24:01 PM
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning

expected release in the fall!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu
O.O

I AM EXCITE

It's nothing too revealing, but the imagery and music were awesome in Steven's typical cryptic fashion. Hopefully it appears in one of the songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on June 08, 2011, 03:25:50 PM
So, you probably already know this, but it has been scientifically proven that Steven Wilson is fact better than god.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on June 08, 2011, 03:27:20 PM
Wait... he's better than himself? ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on June 08, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
Wait... he's better than himself? ???
Yep.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2011, 03:45:39 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on June 08, 2011, 03:46:15 PM
This post has like what, 7 posts and still massive amount of fanboyism already.  :lol
But yeah, fantastic musician, he deserves cred for his side-projects as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on June 08, 2011, 03:48:31 PM
Wait... he's better than himself? ???
Yep.

I agree.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on June 08, 2011, 03:51:43 PM
Eagerly awaiting the new album. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 08, 2011, 03:53:08 PM
Wait... he's better than himself? ???
Yep.

I agree.
"The Official DTF Circle Jer- *ahem* Steven Wilson Thread"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kosmo on June 08, 2011, 03:54:52 PM
meh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on June 08, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
Nice! :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on June 08, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
Insurgentes was undoubtedly a great album, but I didn't really feel any personal connection to it like I do with PT albums. Not sure how excited I am about this one then, but not very at the minute.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on June 08, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
I kind of understand what you mean MG. I love Insurgentes, but I've never really made an emotional/personal connection with it either. I think its because SW just kind of adlibbed the lyrics and, while making it much more experimental, doesn't really make it easy to connect to.

But I'm still more excited for this album than any other record in the past few years.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on June 08, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
I hope he'll focus more on the lyrics this time around.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on June 08, 2011, 05:09:03 PM
Listening to Insurgentes for the first time while going through the big art book is one of my most memorable music experiences ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JustJen on June 08, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
<3

he is the best him
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: juice on June 08, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
inb4 circle jerk
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 08, 2011, 05:50:49 PM
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning

expected release in the fall!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu

That shit is scary.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on June 08, 2011, 10:53:24 PM
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning

expected release in the fall!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu

That shit is scary.

Indeed!  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on June 08, 2011, 11:00:18 PM
I love Steven Wilson, but...apart from the first track, nothing on Insurgentes has really clicked with me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 09, 2011, 01:53:34 AM
@LieLowTheWantedMan your homoerotic wishes will come true very soon...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on June 09, 2011, 02:56:08 AM
Steven Wilson- Grace For Drowning

expected release in the fall!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTUnXrJJaI&feature=feedu

Giant cockroaches and dissonant choirs woo
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on June 09, 2011, 06:07:48 AM
I agree, lyrically, Insurgentes does nothing for me, though there's nothing wrong with the lyrics per se.  The music however is incredible and I can't wait for the new solo album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on June 09, 2011, 06:11:46 AM
Insurgentes is probably my favorite SW-album, I'd take it over FOABP and Signify (both my favorite albums by PT).
When I think about it, Ghosts on Magnetic Tape might battle Insurgentes for the top-spot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on June 09, 2011, 09:54:46 AM
I agree, lyrically, Insurgentes does nothing for me, though there's nothing wrong with the lyrics per se.  The music however is incredible and I can't wait for the new solo album.

Who are you agreeing with?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on June 09, 2011, 10:06:04 AM
People who don't think the lyrics are that great.  Sorry, still a bit exhausted from Rush last night.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on June 09, 2011, 12:28:58 PM
If I could make any request to SW's musical output, he should explore the lighter side of things a bit more. Time Flies was such a breather amongst the usual lemon juice dropped into eye mood, which can be nice but a bit tiring at times.

rumborak
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 09, 2011, 12:45:38 PM
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think he's really into exploring the lighter side :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on June 09, 2011, 08:56:46 PM
He talked about that in Insurgentes. It's the extreme positive and negative moments that stick with you, but moreso the negative, which is he concentrates on that more.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on June 09, 2011, 09:57:50 PM
That. Some of us LIKE things like that. I like happy things as well, but songs that are sad and so emotional like a lot of SW's songs just really connect with me. He's said in a couple of interviews that he isn't an overly negative person, he just knows that a lot of people, like himself, find beauty in sadness.

If SW started writing happy songs, I would still listen to him and love every thing he does, but I think it would be a lot harder for me to connect to his music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ricky on June 09, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
if i was a chick,  i would be married to steven wilson <3.


back off dtf he is mine.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on June 09, 2011, 10:23:07 PM
I'm a straight dude and SW is the only guy I would marry. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on June 09, 2011, 10:24:45 PM
That. Some of us LIKE things like that. I like happy things as well, but songs that are sad and so emotional like a lot of SW's songs just really connect with me. He's said in a couple of interviews that he isn't an overly negative person, he just knows that a lot of people, like himself, find beauty in sadness.

If SW started writing happy songs, I would still listen to him and love every thing he does, but I think it would be a lot harder for me to connect to his music.

I totally agree. I'm a happy person, but I also connect with his music, just like I connect with Sigur Ros even though most of their music is in Icelandic. There is definitely beauty in sadness, as strange as that may seem. It's not so much the lyrics that I connect with, rather it's the overall mood and atmosphere that pulls me into it and brings me down to a more serious mood.

At the recent Blackfield show, he said at one point, "We're going to continue now with some really sad songs," with a grin on his face.  :lol What a great show!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on June 09, 2011, 10:30:55 PM
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on June 09, 2011, 10:34:59 PM
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.

He improvised the lyrics? I did not know that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on June 09, 2011, 10:40:35 PM
Huh, well, I actually really like the lyrics on Insurgentes. Very cryptic, but that makes them all the more interesting for me. I especially love the lyrics for Salvaging, Only Child, Get All You Deserve, and the title track.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on June 09, 2011, 10:53:10 PM
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.

Source?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on June 10, 2011, 06:03:16 AM
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.

Source?

He said it in an interview somewhere, I can't find it though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JustJen on June 10, 2011, 06:48:23 AM
Most of the lyrics on Insurgentes were done on the spot, like impro. I hope he'll go back to good lyrics this time around.

Source?

He said it in an interview somewhere, I can't find it though.

Quote
And about "Insurgentes", did you try some kind of new recording methods or did you just follow the way of recording of "Fear of a Blank Planet". Are you someone who is always trying to find some kind of new machines, computers to have a better sound each time?

I wouldn't say that I'm looking for better means to have a better sound but I'm certainly looking for new ways to inspire the music and keep things fresh. I'm not really interested in repeating myself. The way that I recorded this album was totally new for me.

In general, with Blackfield and Porcupine Tree I spend a lot of time on the lyrics to have deep meanings and very strong senses, but I did something very different with this album because I improvised almost all the lyrics. So I stood up the microphone and I simply improvised the lyrics as an experiment to see what would happen. Some were rubbish (laughs), some other were interesting.

This time I like the fact that the lyrics are more a part of the music and that they wouldn't be so important. That's a new approach for me. It can be scary sometimes to try new things and do some adventuring. But I did something special with vocals on this album and somehow they're more natural and maybe have more emotion and feeling, because I was not singing words from a page but directly words from my own. Maybe that some logical sides of the lyrics are missing but it was an intense new experience to do.

source -- https://www.metalstorm.net/pub/interview.php?interview_id=513
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 08:01:06 AM
Interesting, thanks. I gave the album a listen last night because of this thread...it's way better than I remember.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 10, 2011, 09:33:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgACGvJEVxU&feature=related

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 10, 2011, 09:37:19 AM
My favourite SW video has to be the Disneyworld one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99r--eHwJ8
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on June 10, 2011, 10:41:19 AM
I love Steven Wilson, but...apart from the first track, nothing on Insurgentes has really clicked with me.

Get some good headphones, start album, close eyes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 10:50:56 AM
I love Steven Wilson, but...apart from the first track, nothing on Insurgentes has really clicked with me.

Get some good headphones, start album, close eyes.

I gave the album a listen last night because of this thread...it's way better than I remember.

That's actually pretty much what I did.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on June 10, 2011, 10:56:50 AM
Good job! It took a while to grow on me, but I wasn't as into that sort of stuff when I first got it, then I broadened my tastes so it's just awesome now.

Oh and FYI everyone in case you didn't realise:

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/sets/insurgentes-special-edition-bonus-disc/

second cd from insurgentes cloth deluxe edition for free, in wav \o/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on June 10, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Good job! It took a while to grow on me, but I wasn't as into that sort of stuff when I first got it, then I broadened my tastes so it's just awesome now.

Oh and FYI everyone in case you didn't realise:

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/sets/insurgentes-special-edition-bonus-disc/

second cd from insurgentes cloth deluxe edition for free, in wav \o/

Thank you for pointing out the free stuff.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 11:13:14 AM
Downloading now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on June 10, 2011, 11:23:53 AM
he's also got other juicy morsels up on his SoundCloud, like the excellent "London" (which became "Don't Hate Me") and the new/unreleased track "Home in Negative."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 10, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
But the best Ingurgentes bonus track has to be Collecting Space  :heart :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 10, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
My favourite SW video has to be the Disneyworld one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99r--eHwJ8

Holy fuck I have never seen this before and I'm nearly crying  :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 10, 2011, 01:32:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sad-xhIZgz8

Love the epic walk at the end  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JustJen on June 10, 2011, 01:34:34 PM
My favourite SW video has to be the Disneyworld one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99r--eHwJ8

Holy fuck I have never seen this before and I'm nearly crying  :rollin

What the creepy fuck was that :lol :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JustJen on June 10, 2011, 01:37:30 PM
best part:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/justjen/2011/creepySWmouse.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 10, 2011, 01:40:08 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 10, 2011, 03:04:43 PM
Lol I can't get enough of that video
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JustJen on June 10, 2011, 05:04:10 PM
best part:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/justjen/2011/creepySWmouse.jpg)

Local schoolyard cameras recently filmed this odd creature darting around erratically and crying. Experts remain baffled.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on June 10, 2011, 10:34:38 PM
best part:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/justjen/2011/creepySWmouse.jpg)

Local schoolyard cameras recently filmed this odd creature darting around erratically and crying. Experts remain baffled.


Though some speculate that it's Nessie, or a derivative of her.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 10, 2011, 10:36:56 PM
i love steven wirlsong
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on June 10, 2011, 10:44:31 PM
I love the marching band music playing softly.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/DarthHonus29/Wils.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wjc on June 11, 2011, 01:30:52 AM
Steven Wilson is the ugliest fuck in music today.

Totally geed for Grace for Drowning though :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 11, 2011, 01:49:13 AM
Are you kidding?! He is beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: tri.ad on June 11, 2011, 02:04:51 AM
That video was absolutely hilarious. :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 11, 2011, 05:57:34 AM
Are you kidding?! He is beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on June 11, 2011, 07:41:29 AM
Steven Wilson is the ugliest fuck in music today.

Totally geed for Grace for Drowning though :caffeine:

Not that I'm gay, but Steven Wilson looks fairly good, above average at least.
I could think of many examples with 'uglier' people in the music-scene.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on June 11, 2011, 08:52:05 AM
Yeah, I would say Steven Wilson is FAR from ugly... especially by music standards.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 11, 2011, 10:06:15 AM
Yeah SW is not ugly at all especially comparing to other musicians in the genre.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 11, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/lk/l/w/02b262d80fda89f70892310920301a88/3329778.jpg)
(https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2153/2169495885_b58e6d436b.jpg)

Yeah I'll take SW.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 11, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Eww. Who are they?

And SW doesn't always photograph terribly well but when he's on stage he is maybe the most beautiful person I've ever seen.

Also I just did an image search and came up with these:

(https://www.theagencygroup.com/artistphotos/StevenWilson.jpg)

(https://www.divisionpromotions.com/assets/images/stevenwilsondiv.jpg)
:eyebrows:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/dragonphoenix/blog/pop%20rock%20songs/stevenw034ib.jpg?t=1242511460)

(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/39186737/Steven+Wilson+stevenwilson1.jpg)
 :D

(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/29152467/Steven+Wilson+yeah+right.jpg)

(https://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Mikael-Akerfeldt-Mike-Portnoy-and-Steven-Wilson.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nakedman on June 11, 2011, 02:09:36 PM
I think the top guy is drummer for Gentle Giant. Don't know the bottom guy...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 11, 2011, 04:02:58 PM
I think the top guy is drummer for Gentle Giant. Don't know the bottom guy...
You're right about the top one. :tup The bottom one is Christian Vander of Magma.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jsem on June 11, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Lol...

And they play prog. Which means even they're even further from getting laid.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 11, 2011, 04:09:58 PM
Lol...

And they play prog. Which means even they're even further from getting laid.
You kidding? Bitches love Magma.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jsem on June 11, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
(https://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/6/11/90ac603e-bdb2-4253-8d82-38d017fe7864.jpg)

Had to make this.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 11, 2011, 04:18:58 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on June 24, 2011, 10:10:53 AM
https://youtu.be/D6nuf5ZMpHo

Album cover for Grace for Drowning
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 24, 2011, 10:36:26 AM
;qwakldfjlakdsjflskdjflkjdsklfjlskdjflkasjdflk

I came, not only because of the amazing cover, but because of that heavenly music that was playing under it.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhholy shit.

Quick Edit: And to add to the conversation about SW's looks, lets just say he's one of few people I'd go gay for.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on June 24, 2011, 10:46:33 AM
pretty cool cover
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 24, 2011, 11:25:55 AM
I concur.


And Zack: BACK OFF
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on June 24, 2011, 11:28:14 AM
Sweeeet
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 24, 2011, 08:22:41 PM
And Zack: BACK OFF

never
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gadough on June 24, 2011, 08:31:16 PM
Steven Wilson is the ugliest fuck in music today.

(https://guitarstudiousa.com/images/events/large/SteveHowe.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 24, 2011, 09:24:37 PM
Don't you dare diss Steve Howe.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gadough on June 24, 2011, 10:23:41 PM
I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.

But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 24, 2011, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.

But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.

Steve Howe will eat your penis for breakfast.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gadough on June 24, 2011, 10:55:40 PM
I don't doubt that for a second.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on June 24, 2011, 11:33:04 PM
I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.

But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.

Steve Howe will eat your penis for breakfast.
He does look like he subsists primarily on human flesh...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on June 24, 2011, 11:47:31 PM
Quick Edit: And to add to the conversation about SW's looks, lets just say he's one of few people I'd go gay for.
Well, you and 82 people would too. I probably would as well
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Straight-guys-who-would-go-gay-for-Steven-Wilson/120676867943553 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Straight-guys-who-would-go-gay-for-Steven-Wilson/120676867943553)
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/559391/Blackfield.jpg)
Disclaimer: Not trying to be a troll or whatever, and I'm pretty sure (99%) the picture is fake as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: tri.ad on June 25, 2011, 12:11:27 AM
The album cover looks good. Let's see if this album can also win me over musically.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on June 25, 2011, 04:07:22 AM
I'm not dissing him. I love Yes, and I think Steve Howe is a fantastic guitar player.

But he makes the crypt keeper look like a supermodel.

Steve Howe will eat your penis for breakfast.
He does look like he subsists primarily on human flesh...

 :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on June 25, 2011, 04:33:49 AM
HEY GUYS LETS ALL TALK ABOUT HOW GAY WE ARE FOR SW INSTEAD OF ABOUT THE NEW COVER AND MUSIC SAMPLE THINGIE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on June 25, 2011, 04:35:37 AM
I'M SO GAY FOR STEVEN WILSON I'D FUCK HIS DOG
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 25, 2011, 07:13:36 AM
FUCK ME STEVEN IS HOT
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 25, 2011, 08:29:37 AM
Oh gawd yes :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 27, 2011, 04:57:13 AM
This is now my wallpaper, thanks to some dude on Facebook:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/sweyes.jpg)

 :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 27, 2011, 05:08:15 AM
Just when I thought he was starting to look slightly older, I saw this pic and he looks 17 again. DAMN does this guy ever age?  :lol

That's just sexy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on June 27, 2011, 07:35:59 AM
A lifetime of not smiling keeps his face youthfully smooth. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 27, 2011, 07:38:09 AM
Jackie thanks for the fapping material
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on June 27, 2011, 07:40:03 AM
A lifetime of not smiling keeps his face youthfully smooth. :P

This. Myung uses this method too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 27, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
The album cover is lovely and that little song playing in the background is lovely and Steven Wilson is lovely. 


Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 27, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT ALBUMMMMMMMMMMM

I'm gonna get the super deluxe extreme special limited edition of course
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on June 27, 2011, 11:32:13 AM
If the two musical snippets from the teaser and the album cover are any indication to what the album is going to sound like then I'm very excited.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 27, 2011, 12:56:08 PM
(https://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/FretMuppet/tumblr_l8jtlb2Iw01qcjgqro1_400.jpg)

Made me lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 27, 2011, 02:26:17 PM
Wtf is a carpark?? Damn Europeans...

Jackie thanks for the fapping material

You're very, very welcome :eyebrows:

GOD THOSE FUCKING EYES FUCK

A lifetime of not smiling keeps his face youthfully smooth. :P

 :lol

This makes it even better when he does smile, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on June 28, 2011, 08:37:07 AM
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on June 28, 2011, 08:38:56 AM
Wtf is a carpark?? Damn Europeans...
Parking lot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 28, 2011, 10:30:57 AM
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?

Upcoming tour? link.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 28, 2011, 10:36:47 AM
I think its rather unlikely that there will be a tour
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 28, 2011, 10:40:54 AM
I think its rather unlikely that there will be a tour

I think that he will maybe come over with another band and open for them. I feel that's more likely. Maybe he'll open for Anathema's fall tour (if it still happens), or perhaps he'll wait until PT tours again and be his own opening act.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on June 28, 2011, 11:42:39 AM
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?

I haven't heard anything like that, although SW did say that there is a drummer on this album that will "blow us away".

I'd like to see Gavin though, Gavin works well on PT/SW projects.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on June 28, 2011, 12:30:58 PM
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?

I haven't heard anything like that, although SW did say that there is a drummer on this album that will "blow us away".

I'd like to see Gavin though, Gavin works well on PT/SW projects.

Nic France is the drummer on the album
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on June 28, 2011, 01:04:21 PM
Heard a rumour that Marco Minnemann will be the drummer on his upcoming tour - anyone know anything about this ?
How did I miss this? I was even more impressed with Minnemann than with Mangini - this would be the perfect outcome to the auditions, for me. My two favourite drummers from the process end up collaborating with my two favourite artists.

Pinch of salt, of course. Part of me thinks that if Minnemann was too zany for DT he'll blow SW away, but the man's surely got a dial - if he's not SW's drummer (and chances are he isn't!) that won't be the reason why.

Very unlikely, but my favourite new rumour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on June 28, 2011, 01:33:28 PM
Has SW ever toured with his solo/BC stuff?  I can't imagine it being a terrifically exciting concert.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 28, 2011, 03:25:50 PM
Has SW ever toured with his solo/BC stuff?  I can't imagine it being a terrifically exciting concert.

Bass Communion has done shows but SW has never played his solo stuff live, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on June 28, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
Has anybody heard the new SW teaser yet?


https://www.gracefordrowning.com/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on June 28, 2011, 05:10:01 PM
Yea, that's the album cover video
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Beautiful Agony on June 28, 2011, 11:30:52 PM
 

(https://www.theagencygroup.com/artistphotos/StevenWilson.jpg)





Me likey.   ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 29, 2011, 12:10:35 AM
Girl?! :caffeine:

Wtf is a carpark?? Damn Europeans...
Parking lot.

I know, just being an asshole American :p
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on June 29, 2011, 02:25:41 AM
I was on Marco Minnemman's facebook and some guy posted this;

"It was a pleasure meeting you at El Rey last night, hope you enjoyed Blackfield. Can't wait for the new project with Steve Wilson"

Added to that, one of my mates who is a massive Wilson fan said said that he has heard that he will be touring the east coast in October/Nov.
Not sure where he heard this, but i'll ask the next time I see him.

Since the album is already done with another drummer I thought the only other thing it can be is a tour.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on July 01, 2011, 02:43:36 PM
Listening to Insurgentes for the first time (not sure why i've left it so long).. It's freaking awsome!! I shouldn't be surprised really  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 01, 2011, 08:57:20 PM
i've been on an Insurgentes kick as well lately. the album + all the non-remix b-sides = just amazing stuff, especially the demo of "Veneno Para Las Hadas."

must say i'm glad "Puncture Wound" wasn't included on the main album; great song, but pretty much a direct ripoff of The Cure (i think), and the songs "Significant Other" and "Only Child" already carry a very similar vibe, imo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on July 02, 2011, 03:29:01 AM

must say i'm glad "Puncture Wound" wasn't included on the main album; great song, but pretty much a direct ripoff of The Cure (i think), and the songs "Significant Other" and "Only Child" already carry a very similar vibe, imo.

Ah yes is that the one that sounds like "A forest"?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 02, 2011, 06:32:59 AM
Didn't SW cover A Forest?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 02, 2011, 06:52:33 AM
Didn't SW cover A Forest?

He did, it's on one of the Cover-Versions.

Thanks to Zack I discovered/finally got "Vapour Trail Lullaby", and I'm just blown away.
The BF-song has always been one of my favorites, and this version just takes that version to a whole new level.  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 02, 2011, 11:22:48 AM
That's some rare-ass song to find lol I missed my chance of getting a mint condition copy + insurgentes film on ebay a few days ago but it was too expensive anyway
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 06, 2011, 04:46:25 PM
Wooo, there will be a SW solo tour in the fall!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 06, 2011, 04:46:31 PM
OMG TOUR

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 06, 2011, 04:55:32 PM
yusssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 06, 2011, 05:08:40 PM
Too bad there's no way he's coming to Sweden.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 06, 2011, 05:17:45 PM
Pooping myself WITH PLEASURE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 06, 2011, 05:20:44 PM
Gross.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 06, 2011, 05:25:46 PM
Marco Minnemann is the drummer for this record? I might just ejaculate right now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 06, 2011, 05:35:23 PM
So, me and Zack are gonna hit up pretty much every show in the northeast


IT'S FUCKIN ON!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 06, 2011, 05:59:51 PM
Too bad there's no way he's coming to Sweden.
I hope he comes to Sweden. I would love to catch a show while I'm there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 06, 2011, 06:14:57 PM
Marco Minnemann is the drummer for this record? I might just ejaculate right now.
Holy tits is he really?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 06, 2011, 06:36:29 PM
where does it say he is drumming on the record? the post just said he is the touring drummer
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 06, 2011, 06:54:47 PM
I remember reading that Nic France was the album drummer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 06, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
OMG TOUR

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878

I beat you by six seconds, fucker.

Also, the million fan posts on his wall telling him to come to whatever state/country are really obnoxious.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 06, 2011, 09:16:48 PM
HHHHNNNNNNNNNNNGNGGGGGGGG I MUST MAKE THIS TOUR
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 06, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Yeah, me too! I will likely travel since I assume they won't come to CO. Can't wait for the dates so I can plan :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 06, 2011, 09:19:44 PM
OOH OOH OOH COME TO LA
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 06, 2011, 09:24:55 PM

Also, the million fan posts on his wall telling him to come to whatever state/country are really obnoxious.

Haha, I  always wonder if any of them think that, among all the others, he's going to stop, read the comment, and think "I guess I do need to go there!"   

Also he better come near me.  Brb writing "come to VA" all over his wall. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 06, 2011, 09:37:59 PM
OOH OOH OOH COME TO LA

You're in LA now?? To be honest, I was already thinking that because I want to go visit my two friends in LA and was already planning it anyway. So that may actually happen!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 06, 2011, 09:41:22 PM
Yeah, I got back last week! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 06, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my godoh my god oh my godoh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 06, 2011, 11:40:55 PM
Yeah, I got back last week! :D :D :D

Sweet! Really hope this works out so I can make it there!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 07, 2011, 09:06:27 AM
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME!

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 07, 2011, 12:29:51 PM
I already know he's going to skip Portland because the north west gets screwed over all the time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 07, 2011, 04:37:50 PM
Okay, it's been almost 24 hours wtf AHHHH :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 07, 2011, 04:39:27 PM
WHAT TEFHCK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 07, 2011, 04:53:03 PM
https://starsdie.com/wp/?p=1445 Here are some of the dates.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 07, 2011, 05:01:13 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

He's playing in Baltimore the week BEFORE I'm home for Thanksgiving. FML
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 07, 2011, 05:02:38 PM
I don't care when it is, where it is, how much it will cost, or whatever else is going on in my life, I am going to the show closest to me and then I will die.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on July 07, 2011, 05:05:46 PM
However much I enjoy Insurgentes I can't imagine it will translate great live, and I'll be listening to the new album before deciding whether to hit Philly or not.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 07, 2011, 05:08:34 PM
Huh? I can imagine it translating really well live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 07, 2011, 05:10:50 PM
Dates in Sweden please. I agree with the 'hurry the fuck up steven' sentiment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 07, 2011, 05:31:48 PM
However much I enjoy Insurgentes I can't imagine it will translate great live, and I'll be listening to the new album before deciding whether to hit Philly or not.

Nick, it's Steven fucking Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on July 07, 2011, 05:44:10 PM
However much I enjoy Insurgentes I can't imagine it will translate great live, and I'll be listening to the new album before deciding whether to hit Philly or not.

Nick, it's Steven fucking Wilson.

Who I've seen with Porcupine fucking Tree and Black fucking field like 6 times now. I love the man, I'm just not so sure about his solo work live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 07, 2011, 05:58:54 PM
Ahhh, I just want them all to be posted already. I really hope there is an LA date now. I may or may not be back east in November.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 07, 2011, 08:03:42 PM
Here's hoping for a Canadian date...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 07, 2011, 09:14:06 PM
Don't say 24 hours if you don't mean it dammit!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on July 08, 2011, 03:09:16 AM
Don't say 24 hours if you don't mean it dammit!

Indeed, godddddam it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 08, 2011, 05:09:01 AM
Nothing in that first batch even close to NC or SC :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on July 08, 2011, 08:06:35 AM
Orlando show, I'm there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 08, 2011, 08:12:31 AM
I will go to NYC if that's my best option, but hoping for something more adventurous. Anyone been to that Best Buy Theater?? It's in probably my least favorite place to go in NYC...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 08, 2011, 08:34:38 AM
I've been to BB Theater, it's really nice, albeit in the shittiest place in NY (smack dab in the central of Times Square)

There is a pretty big standing area in front of the stage, and then a large seated (but not assigned) area in the back. It really is a nice place, definitely one of the nicer "smaller" venues in NYC.

Jackie if you go, there will be an epic meetup with drinking and such
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zerogravityfat on July 08, 2011, 08:47:35 AM
best buy has the best sound hands down in the city, shitty spot, yes, but i would prefer it for any concert for the sound.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: tri.ad on July 08, 2011, 08:49:01 AM
Hmm... There's a concert in Munich... Well, let's see if I have the time for that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 08, 2011, 08:51:22 AM
best buy has the best sound hands down in the city, shitty spot, yes, but i would prefer it for any concert for the sound.

Well I think Radio City is better, but I agree that BB sounds magnificent.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on July 08, 2011, 08:52:32 AM
Okay here are some links to a couple of the touring band members:

* Your all familiar with Marco so will leave that one

(1) Gary Husband on Keyboards
He's actually been the drummer with Allan Holdsworth, John Mclaughlin and Level 42 so he may have his eye on Marco lol !
Piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvrOFnPMmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvrOFnPMmM)

Drums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWBk50vykUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWBk50vykUA)

(2) Aziz Ibrahim
Guitarist with Stone Roses, Ian Brown, Steve Hogarth, Asia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR4Ijgd401M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR4Ijgd401M)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 08, 2011, 08:58:23 AM

Jackie if you go, there will be an epic meetup with drinking and such

Well duh :p

best buy has the best sound hands down in the city, shitty spot, yes, but i would prefer it for any concert for the sound.

Hmm, good to know! Thanks :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 08, 2011, 09:00:05 AM
Dates in Sweden please. I agree with the 'hurry the fuck up steven' sentiment.

I agree with this.
However, have you moved here now? D:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 08, 2011, 09:10:36 AM
Dates in Sweden please. I agree with the 'hurry the fuck up steven' sentiment.

I agree with this.
However, have you moved here now? D:
Nope, at the beginning of august and staying until the end of december :).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 08, 2011, 09:16:14 AM
Ah.
Where in Sweden exactly? :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 08, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
Jönköping, will be studying at the uni there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 08, 2011, 09:31:32 AM
Oh okey. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 08, 2011, 10:31:07 AM
Well, looks like that is pretty much it. Guess I'll be at the NYC show, y'all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 08, 2011, 10:32:55 AM
https://www.gracefordrowning.com/

Shows were officially announced, but none were added from what we knew.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 08, 2011, 10:38:04 AM
I'll be going to the MA and NY shows. Maybe the PA one as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 08, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
omg Mike we are totally gonna hang out

Don't think anyone has posted this interview yet: https://www.guitarworld.com/interview-guitarist-steven-wilson-blackfield-and-porcupine-tree
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 08, 2011, 11:01:30 AM
Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 08, 2011, 11:09:21 AM
omg Mike we are totally gonna hang out

We totally are! :caffeine:

And from that interview: "There was a very strong inspiration for my new record. It has a vintage '70s atmosphere to it."
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.

 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on July 08, 2011, 11:15:09 AM
Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.


Baltimore?   :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: sonatafanica on July 08, 2011, 11:17:13 AM
okay wait is it two albums still or
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 08, 2011, 11:18:40 AM
It is still a double album, yes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: sonatafanica on July 08, 2011, 11:19:09 AM
with two different names?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 08, 2011, 11:45:10 AM
The two discs originally had different names, not sure if they will receive individual names or just go by the collective title of "Grace for Drowning".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 08, 2011, 11:45:29 AM
Well fuck. I guess I'm not seeing Mr. Wilson on this tour.


Baltimore?   :-\

I'll be at school you derp.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 08, 2011, 11:56:45 AM
Yes, I am very intrigued by the 70's atmosphere thing as well...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 08, 2011, 01:43:43 PM
Fuck, not even one show on my side of the country.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 08, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
Yeah, that is pretty lame. Come to the dark side  :millahhhh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on July 08, 2011, 03:15:05 PM
tempted to go to the london show
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 08, 2011, 06:30:23 PM
FUUUUUUUCK There better be more shows announced, though I guess I could make an early thanksgiving trip to chicago if need be.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 08, 2011, 08:17:42 PM
Thinking about going to the Philly show as well..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elsydeon on July 08, 2011, 08:49:03 PM
Looks like I'll be going to NYC in november  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 08, 2011, 08:57:41 PM
Fuck, not even one show on my side of the country.

Not yet anyway. Hopefully they will do the usual Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, SF, LA....hopefully.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 08, 2011, 09:22:19 PM
Fuck, not even one show on my side of the country.

Not yet anyway. Hopefully they will do the usual Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, SF, LA....hopefully.

The tour's been announced already. It looks like it's East Coast only.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 08, 2011, 09:55:22 PM
Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it?  :tdwn
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 08, 2011, 11:59:01 PM
Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it?  :tdwn

Considering the circumstances, I'd say it is.

Were you expecting a PT-sized tour? It's for his solo album, which I'm almost positive only hardcore PT fans bought.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 09, 2011, 09:08:53 AM
Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it?  :tdwn

Considering the circumstances, I'd say it is.

Were you expecting a PT-sized tour? It's for his solo album, which I'm almost positive only hardcore PT fans bought.

You're looking for an argument, in which I wasn't. Therefore, I won't bother answering your ridiculous question.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 09, 2011, 10:53:22 AM
....What? :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elsydeon on July 09, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
Well, that's not much of a North American tour now is it?  :tdwn

Considering the circumstances, I'd say it is.

Were you expecting a PT-sized tour? It's for his solo album, which I'm almost positive only hardcore PT fans bought.

You're looking for an argument, in which I wasn't. Therefore, I won't bother answering your ridiculous question.
No he isn't.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 09, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
I'm ready to throw down.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 09, 2011, 12:52:32 PM
COME AT ME BRO
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 09, 2011, 12:58:08 PM
6 US dates, 4 German dates, and ONE UK DATE?! AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE COUNTRY?! He's a British artist, Jesus CHRIST
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 09, 2011, 02:13:53 PM
That is kind of weird...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 09, 2011, 07:04:22 PM
Its weird hes doing 4 german dates, but not surprising he is doing so few us/uk dates. Touring is expensive.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 09, 2011, 07:42:25 PM
Yea. I can't blame him, and can only be thankful that he put together a tour that I am close enough to go to a few shows for.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Phantasmatron on July 09, 2011, 09:18:56 PM
This is exciting news, but unless this album turns out to be the greatest thing he's ever done I think I'd prefer to see PT live before seeing a SW side project.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 09, 2011, 09:34:59 PM
After seeing Blackfield last month, I realized I'd go see anything SW does. And given that he believes the new album to be his best work to date, I'm sure he'll be giving it his all. Wouldn't miss it if he came here. Unfortunately, he won't be coming here.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 13, 2011, 03:37:18 AM
Anyone going to the Shepherd's Bush Empire show?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 13, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Steven Wilson's latest project, according to the Zellers I visited yesterday:

(https://oi52.tinypic.com/2rnbr6o.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 13, 2011, 12:57:53 PM
 :lol


No support acts on this tour, it appears. Yesssssss

Considering Philly, definitely going to hit up NY and Boston.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on July 13, 2011, 03:32:19 PM
https://www.kscopemusic.com/stevenwilson/promo/

Album tracklist: there's a 23 minute jazz-inspired peice  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 13, 2011, 03:50:22 PM
Quote
GRACE FOR DROWNING

New solo album from Porcupine Tree frontman Steven Wilson

Release Date September 26th

Steven Wilson is a twice Grammy-nominated producer, writer and performer, best known as founder and front man of British rock band Porcupine Tree. He has also produced and /or mixed albums for artists as diverse as Swedish metal band Opeth, Norwegian chanteuse Anja Garbarek, and progressive rock institution King Crimson. Last year, he also co-wrote and sang a track from Pendulum's number one album 'Immersion'.

Porcupine Tree’s last album was a top 30 album in both the UK and USA, and the tour climaxed with sold out shows in October last year at Royal Albert Hall in London and Radio City Music Hall in New York.

Grace For Drowning’ is the second album released under Wilson’s own name, and builds on the artistic inroads he forged with 2009’s exceptionally well-received ‘Insurgentes.’

A double album ('two 40-45 minute albums in the same package') Wilson has described it as "my biggest project to date".

He continues, “’Insurgentes’ was an important step for me into something new. This record takes that as a starting point, but it’s more experimental and more eclectic. For me the golden period for music was the late sixties and early seventies, when the album became the primary means of artistic expression, when musicians liberated themselves from the 3 minute pop song format, and started to draw on jazz and classical music especially, combining it with the spirit of psychedelia to create “journeys in sound” I guess you could call them. So without being retro, my album is a kind of homage to that spirit. There’s everything from [Ennio] Morricone-esque film themes to choral music to piano ballads to a 23 minute progressive jazz–inspired piece. I’ve actually used a few jazz musicians this time, which is something I picked up from my work remixing the King Crimson records.”

The full tracklist is as follows;

CD1:
1. Grace For Drowning (2.00)
2. Sectarian (8.00)
3. Deform to Form a Star (8.00)
4. No Part of Me (5.45)
5. Postcard (4.30)
6. Raider Prelude (2.30)
7. Remainder the Black Dog (9.15)

CD2:
1. Belle de Jour (3.00)
2. Index (4.45)
3. Track One (4.15)
4. Raider II (23.15)
5. Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye (8.00)


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 13, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
It comes out on my birthday - how exciting!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on July 13, 2011, 04:27:02 PM
Interesting...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on July 13, 2011, 07:47:18 PM
This is just... nobody can top what he does. From the music to the art direction, he's just an incredible artist.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 13, 2011, 08:03:44 PM
(https://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2914/kscope176.jpg)

(https://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s122/mark_dirt/I have just violated forum rule #1--please ban me/1187046204871.png)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 13, 2011, 09:47:50 PM
I'M GONNA


CUMMMMMM
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 14, 2011, 02:54:48 AM
Ditto :caffeine: :caffeine:

This is my new desktop photo:

(https://www.kscopemusic.com/stevenwilson/promo/images/gfd/Steven_Wilson_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 03:58:01 AM
Yuck all over those titles. "Track One" is track 2.3, "Raider Prelude" and "Raider II" without a "Raider I" in sight - and that's before we get to the self-consciously arty "Remainder the Black Dog," "Deform to Form a Star," and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye."

How "deep."

Nonetheless, the music sounds brilliant from the short samples, Steven Wilson's always ace, and the cover's just plain gorgeous, so you know.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 14, 2011, 04:02:11 AM
What's the source of this information?

EDIT: Nevermind, missed the link
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 14, 2011, 06:19:50 AM
Ditto :caffeine: :caffeine:

This is my new desktop photo:

(https://www.kscopemusic.com/stevenwilson/promo/images/gfd/Steven_Wilson_1.jpg)


I made mine the one of him sitting on my penis the bench.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 14, 2011, 07:00:23 AM
Yuck all over those titles. "Track One" is track 2.3, "Raider Prelude" and "Raider II" without a "Raider I" in sight - and that's before we get to the self-consciously arty "Remainder the Black Dog," "Deform to Form a Star," and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye."

Reminds me of this band I used to listen to called Dream Theatre.  They had a song called "The Miracle and the Sleeper pt 1: Metropolis" and never made a part 2!  Crazy, huh?  Then they made an album called "Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory" without ever mentioning "Metropolis pt 1!"  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 14, 2011, 07:37:08 AM
I don't think the titles are bad at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 14, 2011, 07:43:42 AM
Me neither. Steve Wilson's seriousness about his art is one reason I like him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 07:57:01 AM
Yarg, I wouldn't usually go on quite such a vicious rant, but as I've been called out on it...

Yuck all over those titles. "Track One" is track 2.3, "Raider Prelude" and "Raider II" without a "Raider I" in sight - and that's before we get to the self-consciously arty "Remainder the Black Dog," "Deform to Form a Star," and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye."

Reminds me of this band I used to listen to called Dream Theatre.  They had a song called "The Miracle and the Sleeper pt 1: Metropolis" and never made a part 2!  Crazy, huh?  Then they made an album called "Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory" without ever mentioning "Metropolis pt 1!"  :neverusethis:
It's kind of the opposite of that, though. Metropolis is, by the band's own admission, a joke that got out of hand. Steven Wilson currently strikes me as being a little more earnest than that, which... right, the buzz-word "pretentious," which has somehow managed to leech itself onto big long solos and self-indulgence, and that's absolute nonsense. Dream Theater, for instance, are about as unpretentious as they come - they're one of those bands where a solo is just a solo, and they'll tuck away loads of interesting bits, but it's not in truth much more pretentious than a Harry Potter film.

I'd argue that playing it straight, however, genuinely is pretentious. My favourite example to shout at is Sand Snowman, who - well, frankly, just look at his website for two minutes and you'll get the picture. There's a sort of conceit that to be truly artistic and a real visionary, you have to come up with ridiculous titles with unexpected words and really present your art in as unusual a manner as possible and I find that very contrived, insincere and, truthfully, a little crass. Another example is "Portugal. The Man" - who, came out with this in an interview:


...which is an awful excuse for an awful name, which doesn't begin to evoke the brilliance of Ziggy Stardust nor the eloquence of Sergeant Pepper.

This is kind of the new pomp of rock - and it's a lot less forthright, which makes it a little less sincere. It's the music equivalent of flogging your old bed to the Turner for a cool £5,000,000. It's a symptom of an artist who's trying to make the art unrelatable and distant - artists attempting to market themselves as people you couldn't ever imagine eating a bowl of cornflakes, or patting a dog, or taking a photo with a non-polaroid camera. A very conscious drive to appear as a tortured soul.

Which is fine! It's a perfectly valid form of expression, if not one that I'm particularly fond of, but while Steven Wilson's always been drawn to the odd and the unsettling, I personally think it's a bit of a shame to see him putting on a very specific type of mask that post-rock, to my mind, has already left a little tired and clichéd. It strikes me, a little bit, as vanity masquerading as integrity, which is what I personally don't like about it. It's a bit like calling your first album "The End" and crowing along the lines of "look how clichéd I'm not" - quite a childish kind of "nonsense words that make sense if you frame it thusly!" Titles like "Remainder the Black Dog," in other words. I'm sure it's a wonderfully deep metaphor and there's a brilliant reason for it and it's a lovely subversion of the way life works. I'm sure it's more about the feel of the words, or some such, and it's more of a verbal tapestry than a short descriptive clause. And can you see, there, how easy it is to come up with some old nonsense and make it sound artistic?

I'll also concede that this is entirely my own fault for ascribing motives to the artist - it's very presumptuous of me, I accept - but it doesn't work for me. It comes across to me personally as a lot less edgy and sepia than I think it's meant to be, and it's become quite an identikit style that, as result, comes across as a little thinly-veiled. That's all.

So there we go. I find it pretentious, vain, insincere, and more than a little bit ugly. A trifle vulgar. Good thing, then, that it's not the titles I'm going to be listening to, and good thing I'm still very hyped for the album itself, which I think sounds very classy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 14, 2011, 08:02:34 AM
Or, the more likely scenario, he wrote a Raider Prelude, I, and II, and decided not to put I on the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 14, 2011, 08:03:16 AM
Steve Wilson may be pretentious and self-absored... but that's leading him to create music that genuinely has never been created before. I love it. I don't find it insincere at all. I don't find his gig tired and cliched at all, either. If anything, I think he's just beginning on what'll become his best work. He scratched the surface on Insurgentes and I really can't wait to see what this double album has in store.

And I'm no SW fanboy. I think anyone here can testify to that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 14, 2011, 08:07:22 AM
Oh God a joke turned into a RobWebsterant.  :lol

I mean, I understand where you're coming from.  I'm not fond of artsy titles that just reek of a sense that they were only called that for the sake of sounding artsy.  That practice has always seemed a bit insincere.  Like you said, people tooting their own horn about how much of an artist they are rather than a rock musician.  The thing is with Steven Wilson, he's typically very serious about his music, and nothing he's done in the past reeks of insincere artsiness.  So while "Remainder the Black Dog" and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye" would turn me off of almost any other band, Steven Wilson is sincere enough to where I think there MUST be a good reason for them, and I trust him more.

EDIT: Sigz's post is incredibly likely as well.  It is baffling to me why Raider Prelude is on the first disc and Raider II is on the second, or why he didn't change the names.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
Steve Wilson may be pretentious and self-absored... but that's leading him to create music that genuinely has never been created before. I love it. I don't find it insincere at all. I don't find his gig tired and cliched at all, either. If anything, I think he's just beginning on what'll become his best work. He scratched the surface on Insurgentes and I really can't wait to see what this double album has in store.

And I'm no SW fanboy. I think anyone here can testify to that.
I don't think his gig is tired and clichéd at all. I'd also argue that this is the first time he's approached Sand Snowman's Website levels of pretentiousness, so this is the first time he's had a go at this particular gig, which isn't "his," yet.

You don't have to craft such a delicately self-consciously artistic persona to create true art, and if I'm honest he's stayed away from true self-induglence for a very long time. "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye" sounds, in spite of its unique title, somehow less novel. I'm sure no artist has ever written a song called "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye," but it still feels like well-trodden ground. A hedge that's been quite voraciously poked at by a deluge of fairly normal humans who've decided that today they're going to be they're tortured artists.

Steven Wilson quite nicely synthesised the two. Often sumptuous and delicate and genuinely surprising - but it feels a bit like he's jumped off the cliff of "ooh, look at me, aren't i such an artist? How magnificently unexpected are these titles?" Which in itself, I'd argue, has become quite a cliché.

Oh God a joke turned into a RobWebsterant.  :lol

I mean, I understand where you're coming from.  I'm not fond of artsy titles that just reek of a sense that they were only called that for the sake of sounding artsy.  That practice has always seemed a bit insincere.  Like you said, people tooting their own horn about how much of an artist they are rather than a rock musician.  The thing is with Steven Wilson, he's typically very serious about his music, and nothing he's done in the past reeks of insincere artsiness.  So while "Remainder the Black Dog" and "Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye" would turn me off of almost any other band, Steven Wilson is sincere enough to where I think there MUST be a good reason for them, and I trust him more.

EDIT: Sigz's post is incredibly likely as well.  It is baffling to me why Raider Prelude is on the first disc and Raider II is on the second, or why he didn't change the names.  :lol
Aha! I'm glad I've not gone completely mad. I've been thinking that my venom is complete artless nonsense. But yeah, I'm still trusting ol' Steveyboy to make a killer album. I just can't like the titles, because they feel like they belong to precisely that school. All I was getting at!

He's already a fantastically artistic musician when he's writing songs called The Blind House, Trains and Stop Swimming. Or heck, when he's writing songs called Grace for Drowning and Belle de Jour - which give you pause for thought, but they also communicate something. He doesn't need to go arse-swimming in his own pool to prove what a soulful little man he is. It doesn't make me think "ooh what a gleeful little poet you are," it makes me think "okay, enough of that, let's get real." It makes the art feel less real, honestly. It makes it feel like it's more an image thing than an expression thing, which - okay, image is a big part of art, and SW's always been a proponent of it, but if I don't buy the image, I don't buy the art.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 14, 2011, 08:15:55 AM
I guess I just don't get it. When I read those titles, I don't think anything special. They just seem like titles just as valid as any to me. What exactly makes them pretentious?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 08:22:35 AM
I guess I just don't get it. When I read those titles, I don't think anything special. They just seem like titles just as valid as any to me. What exactly makes them pretentious?
I think they've crossed the borderline that they're less than the sum of their parts.

Er, one of the signs of being a good writer is being able to express a complex thought in as few words as possible. Bad writers, meanwhile, tend to try and use a lot of complicated words and throw as many of them as possible at the work until they look clever, but it doesn't express anything except the fact that they know the words.

I'd argue that the meaningless titles with lots of words grasp as feebly at the grail of intellect as the meaningless sentences with lots of words. It's a very teenage pseudo-intelligence.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 14, 2011, 08:25:13 AM
He's already a fantastically artistic musician when he's writing songs called The Blind House, Trains and Stop Swimming. Or heck, when he's writing songs called Grace for Drowning and Belle de Jour - which give you pause for thought, but they also communicate something. He doesn't need to go arse-swimming in his own pool to prove what a soulful little man he is. It doesn't make me think "ooh what a gleeful little poet you are," it makes me think "okay, enough of that, let's get real."

The fact that its only been a few years since writing songs called "The Blind House," "Remember Me Lover," "Flicker," "Only Child," "Twilight Coda," "Collecting Space," etc. that I think if Steven Wilson wanted to make everyone aware of how much an artist he is, he would have done it a while ago, when he and PT were still obscure enough that they would need to grab attention with "unique" album and song titles.  But they've got it in spades.  So I don't think he is "arse-swimming," just because he's had a 20-year reputation of not doing so.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 08:29:14 AM
He's already a fantastically artistic musician when he's writing songs called The Blind House, Trains and Stop Swimming. Or heck, when he's writing songs called Grace for Drowning and Belle de Jour - which give you pause for thought, but they also communicate something. He doesn't need to go arse-swimming in his own pool to prove what a soulful little man he is. It doesn't make me think "ooh what a gleeful little poet you are," it makes me think "okay, enough of that, let's get real."

The fact that its only been a few years since writing songs called "The Blind House," "Remember Me Lover," "Flicker," "Only Child," "Twilight Coda," "Collecting Space," etc. that I think if Steven Wilson wanted to make everyone aware of how much an artist he is, he would have done it a while ago, when he and PT were still obscure enough that they would need to grab attention with "unique" album and song titles.  But they've got it in spades.  So I don't think he is "arse-swimming," just because he's had a 20-year reputation of not doing so.
Well, there may be an element that he's got more reason to be brave now, plus the idea that if this fails it's not a big deal 'cause it's only a solo album, which are giving him more security.

But, like you, I'm not particularly concerned. I read the titles, went "come on, really?," registered the thought, and then got on with my life. And then came back, realised it wasn't a particularly popular thought, and hence spent the next half hour trying to justify myself, so I don't get unpopular. :p It's honestly not a big deal.

Tell you what it is! It's the polar opposite of the three-minute pop song full of "ooh baby baby." It feels just as hollow, but for precisely the opposite reason. That's my issue with it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 14, 2011, 08:48:51 AM
Rob I don't think your popularity can decline at all. ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on July 14, 2011, 10:33:51 AM
Rob, stop playing hard to get.

Come 'ere.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 14, 2011, 10:38:00 AM
Can someone summerize what has happened on this page? It's tl;dr for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OskarSluring on July 14, 2011, 10:43:33 AM
Steven Wilson reveals song-titles, robwebster doesn't like said titles, goes to DTF.org to rant. The End.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 14, 2011, 10:45:02 AM
Can someone summerize what has happened on this page? It's tl;dr for me.

Basically, Rob finds the song titles for SW's new album quite pretentious (see https://sandsnowman.blogspot.com/ ), like Steve's trying to make himself seem like a "real artist", a "tortured soul", almost taking himself too seriously. He's still really looking forward to the music though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 10:49:30 AM
Fair summary! Not necessarily ascribing the motives to Steven himself, but yar. I think the feel the titles invoke is unbecomingly lofty. That's it. No biggie.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on July 14, 2011, 10:50:19 AM
Group hug in the shower?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on July 14, 2011, 11:03:03 AM
Group hug in the shower?
I think that'd be for the best. :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on July 14, 2011, 11:05:53 AM
Group hug in the shower?
I think that'd be for the best. :hat
:heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on July 14, 2011, 11:22:23 AM
Can someone summerize what has happened on this page? It's tl;dr for me.

Basically, Rob finds the song titles for SW's new album quite pretentious (see https://sandsnowman.blogspot.com/ ), like Steve's trying to make himself seem like a "real artist", a "tortured soul", almost taking himself too seriously. He's still really looking forward to the music though.
Thanks, even though I don't understand what's on that blog site :tup.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 14, 2011, 12:22:57 PM
After Coldplay's "Every Teardrop Is a Waterfall", nothing sounds pretentious anymore. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ghostnotes on July 14, 2011, 01:37:28 PM
SW is no Sufjan Stevens.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 14, 2011, 03:25:04 PM
hey guys lets start ranking and judging the album 4 months before it comes out
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 14, 2011, 03:34:30 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on July 14, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on July 14, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0)

Aniland made that thread!? What a shock!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
I am here to say I don't give a fuck about the song titles. SW is a weird motherfucker so I don't really question anything he does...

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23895.0)

Oh jesus christ...


I made mine the one of him sitting on my penis the bench.
>:( >:(

BTFO
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 14, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
BTFO?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 14, 2011, 04:40:11 PM
BACK THE FUCK OFF

bitch
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 16, 2011, 02:55:17 AM
THANK YOU
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 16, 2011, 05:15:21 AM
neberrrrr
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 16, 2011, 05:16:39 AM
neberrrrr
rrrrreben
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on July 16, 2011, 05:51:17 AM
The 2 teaser clips have got me excited for this album, especially the shorter one, gorgeous  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nakedman on July 17, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
He's playing at my school so I get in for free! I am so excited! Last time I saw Steven live it was with Porcupine Tree and I cried when I first heard his voice live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 17, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
He's playing at my school so I get in for free! I am so excited! Last time I saw Steven live it was with Porcupine Tree and I cried when I first heard his voice live.

What school?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nakedman on July 17, 2011, 04:13:31 PM
He's playing at my school so I get in for free! I am so excited! Last time I saw Steven live it was with Porcupine Tree and I cried when I first heard his voice live.

What school?

Berklee College. The theater has surprisingly poor acoustics considering it's a music school, but I'm sure Steven will make it sound great!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 17, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
is that the boston show?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nakedman on July 17, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 17, 2011, 07:21:28 PM
There's a chance I'll be going to that with ZBoner
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 17, 2011, 10:00:26 PM
I finally watched that 5 part interview on youtube. He really seems enthusiastic about what he's doing these days. Great interview.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on July 19, 2011, 07:02:41 AM
Audio samples of all the songs from Grace for Drowning are now up at www.gracefordrowning.com/

Simply amazing stuff. The scope of sounds, the beauty of the songs and the quality of the production of the recordings is just mind-blowing.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on July 19, 2011, 07:14:48 AM
Listening the samples, sounds good so far but some of those keyboard sounds aren't really clicking with me.

Obviously I'll need to listen to the whole album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 19, 2011, 07:22:44 AM
If you sign up for the mailing list you can get an entire song (Remainder the Black Dog)

As of this posting I've decided to hold off on all sound samples/mp3s. I want to hear the entire thing brand new.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 19, 2011, 07:37:27 AM
As of this posting I've decided to hold off on all sound samples/mp3s. I want to hear the entire thing brand new.

I'm doing this as well.
Funny enough, in 99% of the cases, I wait for the album to come out.
Want all songs to be brand new, kinda spoils it if I know a song beforehand.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 19, 2011, 09:02:07 AM
I just listened to all the samples, sounds like my new favourite album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 19, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Yessss, tickets on sale Saturday!!

And I will download the free track but just skimmed a few of the samples. Not a big sample fan.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on July 19, 2011, 01:42:26 PM
https://www.last.fm/music/Steven+Wilson/+images/66628856

collaberation plz!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 19, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
https://www.last.fm/music/Steven+Wilson/+images/66628856

collaberation plz!

This


Oh, and Grace for Drowning could possibly be my next favourite album, I hope...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on July 19, 2011, 03:55:59 PM
I'm not very excited for this album for some reason. The whole 70's feel doesn't appeal to me that much. I hope that SW will prove me wrong though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 19, 2011, 03:58:46 PM
I like how Steven sounds like a chav on Index  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 19, 2011, 04:03:46 PM
Just to make sure I'm understanding right: GfD will not be released on a plain old CD? It's either $9.99 .mp3 or $1,945,675.69 special edition?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: antigoon on July 19, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
Figures :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 19, 2011, 04:19:43 PM
Just to make sure I'm understanding right: GfD will not be released on a plain old CD? It's either $9.99 .mp3 or $1,945,675.69 special edition?

Where did you read that? I don't see any mention of that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 19, 2011, 04:37:23 PM
Just to make sure I'm understanding right: GfD will not be released on a plain old CD? It's either $9.99 .mp3 or $1,945,675.69 special edition?

Where did you read that? I don't see any mention of that.


I just read that the album will be released "primarily" on blu-ray and in one interview Steven said he doesn't see much of a market for regular CDs, so I guess I just assumed it?

It doesn't make much sense to me though, so I probably assumed wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 19, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
RtB made me shit myself.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 19, 2011, 06:49:39 PM
First post back from ban obviously has to go here. The new song kicks all kinds of ass and I'm definitely getting the special edition or whatever for this.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on July 19, 2011, 07:33:44 PM
RtB made me shit myself.

Server to busy to download :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on July 19, 2011, 07:36:19 PM
Because I don't know where to look it up - how much will the special edition be? A million dollarS? I'd get it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 19, 2011, 07:39:22 PM
RtB made me shit myself.

Server to busy to download :(

Just try it again. That worked for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 19, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
First post back from ban obviously has to go here. The new song kicks all kinds of ass and I'm definitely getting the special edition or whatever for this.

o/

Also, that was easily one of the greatest songs I have ever heard in my whole life. Not exaggerating. It has serious potential to be my all time favorite.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 19, 2011, 08:02:06 PM
*\o

:heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 19, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
First post back from ban obviously has to go here. The new song kicks all kinds of ass and I'm definitely getting the special edition or whatever for this.

o/

Also, that was easily one of the greatest songs I have ever heard in my whole life. Not exaggerating. It has serious potential to be my all time favorite.

I'm actually thinking the same thing. It has everything I've ever wanted in a song and more.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 19, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on July 19, 2011, 08:31:16 PM
Damn is it good!!!!  I love how organic sounding it is.

Edit:  A unreal flute solo?!?!  HOLY SHIT IS IT GOOD!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 19, 2011, 08:45:12 PM
dat sax
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on July 19, 2011, 08:55:52 PM
dat sax

At the end of the song?  That's a flute dammit. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on July 19, 2011, 08:58:49 PM
OK that was good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 19, 2011, 09:18:38 PM
dat sax

At the end of the song?  That's a flute dammit. :lol
There's a sax at like 4:00.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 19, 2011, 09:25:21 PM
GREAT song! And the clips also sound AMAZING. I'm so looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 19, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
I've been calling this album as AOTY since he first announced it almost a year ago.

Evidence's pointing to me being right. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 20, 2011, 01:48:50 AM
RtBD is fantastic. One of the best things he's done in a while. Also, that sax solo came off so VdGG-like. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 20, 2011, 06:23:22 AM
RtBD was very good.  I'm very excited for this now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OskarSluring on July 20, 2011, 01:23:58 PM
Line-up for Remainder The Black Dog, if you don't already know:

SW - vocals/keyboards
Theo Travis - sax/flute
Steve Hackett - guitars
Nick Beggs - bass
Nic France - drums
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on July 20, 2011, 01:27:06 PM
Sounds like it'll be a good album. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 20, 2011, 02:41:56 PM
Did one of the songs become available for download or something?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 20, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
Did one of the songs become available for download or something?

Yep, go on https://www.gracefordrowning.com where you can hear audio samples of each song and at the bottom right, there's a mailing list where you receive the mp3 via email.

Edit: Bottom right of the links at the side that is
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 20, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
Steve Hackett - guitars
WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OskarSluring on July 20, 2011, 03:02:23 PM
Steve Hackett - guitars
WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?
Steven posted it on facebook, so you were informed ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jsem on July 20, 2011, 03:05:29 PM
Great tune.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: antigoon on July 20, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
Very jammy. I liked it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 20, 2011, 04:21:26 PM
Friggin' amazing song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on July 20, 2011, 04:55:07 PM
I thought the song had some cool things in it, but the middle-end dragged too much for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 20, 2011, 05:14:09 PM
I thought the song had some cool things in it, but the middle-end dragged too much for me.

nope.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 20, 2011, 05:18:34 PM
I thought the song had some cool things in it, but the middle-end dragged too much for me.

lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: sonatafanica on July 20, 2011, 06:20:59 PM
if you liked that song and you haven't listened to IEM


well then uh that was pretty much an IEM song


so if you want four CDs worth more of that then start listening to IEM
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 20, 2011, 06:21:31 PM
What the fuck? The middle was the best part.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 20, 2011, 06:36:29 PM
if you liked that song and you haven't listened to IEM


well then uh that was pretty much an IEM song


so if you want four CDs worth more of that then start listening to IEM

Seriously? That's one of the few Steven Wilson projects I haven't checked out yet. I'd better get on that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 20, 2011, 06:49:17 PM
if you liked that song and you haven't listened to IEM


well then uh that was pretty much an IEM song


so if you want four CDs worth more of that then start listening to IEM

It wasn't completely like IEM but it's the closest thing he's made to IEM since IEM, so yea, I agree with this. If you want music that is almost entirely like the middle sections of this song, then IEM is FOR YOU
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 20, 2011, 06:58:01 PM
What if I'm looking for cheap thrills and Asian prostitutes?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Fuzzboy on July 20, 2011, 06:59:52 PM
What if I'm looking for cheap thrills and Asian prostitutes?

Motley Crue
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 20, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 20, 2011, 08:15:49 PM
That was a pretty good song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 21, 2011, 05:14:08 AM
Postcard and Deform to Form a Star sound SO BEAUTIFUL! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on July 21, 2011, 09:43:30 AM
Wait, Hackett AND Beggs on a WILSOOOOOOOON record?

I. Just. Died.

Seriously, as an avid fan of Hackett and early Genesis, I love his playing, and Steven Wilson is just... Out there, and I love Hackett's Out Of The Tunnel's Mouth album (and saw him live on tour) so I know Beggs's bass playing is amazing. But Hackett + Beggs playing on a Wilson song?

I CAN'T TAKE THE EPIC ANY LONGER. I NEED THIS ALBUM NOW, NOT IN FOUR MONTHS. (I'm sorry, I'm a little excited).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 21, 2011, 10:28:24 AM
Wait, Hackett AND Beggs on a WILSOOOOOOOON record?

I. Just. Died.

Seriously, as an avid fan of Hackett and early Genesis, I love his playing, and Steven Wilson is just... Out there, and I love Hackett's Out Of The Tunnel's Mouth album (and saw him live on tour) so I know Beggs's bass playing is amazing. But Hackett + Beggs playing on a Wilson song?

I CAN'T TAKE THE EPIC ANY LONGER. I NEED THIS ALBUM NOW, NOT IN FOUR MONTHS. (I'm sorry, I'm a little excited).

Comes out in just over 2 months bro.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on July 22, 2011, 02:24:48 AM
Beggs is in the touring band also   :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on July 23, 2011, 12:54:27 PM
Got my and Jackie's tickets for the Chicago show :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 23, 2011, 05:55:19 PM
Got my tickets for Boston and NY. I wanna go to the Philly show, but driving to NY and Boston within 3 days is already a ton, and I dunno if I could drive an additional 6 hours on top of that. So... I'll have to figure out that in the next few days
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on July 23, 2011, 07:11:12 PM
Got my tickets for Boston and NY. I wanna go to the Philly show, but driving to NY and Boston within 3 days is already a ton, and I dunno if I could drive an additional 6 hours on top of that. So... I'll have to figure out that in the next few days

Wish I had that problem.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: antigoon on July 23, 2011, 07:25:34 PM
Just got my ticket for NY. See you fuckers there :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 23, 2011, 07:45:11 PM
I hate all of you.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elsydeon on July 23, 2011, 11:42:29 PM
got my NYC ticket!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 23, 2011, 11:55:17 PM
got my NYC ticket!

YES
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 24, 2011, 11:33:17 AM
I hate all of you.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on July 24, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
I don't see any tour dates for Arizona. What an elitist!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on July 24, 2011, 11:40:06 AM
Wait, Hackett AND Beggs on a WILSOOOOOOOON record?

I. Just. Died.

Seriously, as an avid fan of Hackett and early Genesis, I love his playing, and Steven Wilson is just... Out there, and I love Hackett's Out Of The Tunnel's Mouth album (and saw him live on tour) so I know Beggs's bass playing is amazing. But Hackett + Beggs playing on a Wilson song?

I CAN'T TAKE THE EPIC ANY LONGER. I NEED THIS ALBUM NOW, NOT IN FOUR MONTHS. (I'm sorry, I'm a little excited).

Comes out in just over 2 months bro.

Same difference when you're useless at judging time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 24, 2011, 06:15:54 PM
Got my and Jackie's tickets for the Chicago show :caffeine: :caffeine:

 :D :heart :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 24, 2011, 07:06:54 PM
I don't see any tour dates for Arizona. What an elitist!

I wouldn't want to go to Arizona either.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on July 24, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
IM SEEING HIM ON MY BIRTHDAY YAAAAYYY
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 24, 2011, 07:31:12 PM
IM GOING TO BE MURDERED ON MY BIRTHDAYYYYY

Yep.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on July 24, 2011, 08:46:21 PM
GLAURUNG, DO YOU LIKE TO SLEEP WITH MEN?

Yep.
Oh ok, that clears things up.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 24, 2011, 08:47:10 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 28, 2011, 10:14:27 AM
Grace For Drowning now up for preorder!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 10:18:36 AM
WHERE WHERE WHERE WHERE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 28, 2011, 10:21:03 AM
WHERE WHERE WHERE WHERE
https://www.burningshed.com/store/kscope/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
I'm so confused. The deluxe edition doesn't come with a vinyl...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on July 28, 2011, 10:27:00 AM
Preordered the vinyl!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 10:29:29 AM
But I want the deluxe as well! I don't want to buy both!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: antigoon on July 28, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
haha you suck
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on July 28, 2011, 10:38:20 AM
I'm surprised there's no vinyl in the deluxe, that was like the highlight I was hoping for... :/

Ah well, I guess its just the vinyl I'll be getting, but that doesn't mean I'm not super excited for this  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 10:39:29 AM
Yeah I'm just getting the vinyl then. I guess I can use the savings towards to Opeth deluxe whatever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on July 28, 2011, 10:49:17 AM
Bah of course it goes on sale before my job starts up again.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 28, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
Ordered the deluxe. Super excited
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 28, 2011, 11:51:05 AM
SW boxes never, ever come with vinyl. ever. ever. get used to it (you should have seen it coming).

also, they are apparently going to carry some of the CD box versions through a North American retailer, so the shipping won't rape you like it always does from Burning Shed if you live stateside. i'm waiting to see where exactly that preorder is, though...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on July 28, 2011, 12:22:49 PM

also, they are apparently going to carry some of the CD box versions through a North American retailer, so the shipping won't rape you like it always does from Burning Shed if you live stateside. i'm waiting to see where exactly that preorder is, though...

Newbury Comics.
Also I emailed them about when the preorder would open...
"Thank you for the email. Unfortunately, that information has not been made available at this time."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on July 28, 2011, 01:29:00 PM
I want to know if the 5.1 mix will be available outside of this version

edit: I guess not. Sigh, I didn't really want to spend any more money at the moment...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 28, 2011, 01:35:20 PM
I really want the deluxe edition... But I need to control myself. I'm already planning on spending way too much on music in September as is. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
SW will be the best September album anyway.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on July 28, 2011, 01:43:08 PM
I just bought it, really shouldnt be spending my savings for going to america...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 01:43:50 PM
When are you coming to the states?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 28, 2011, 04:23:02 PM
Newbury Comics preorder is up: https://www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=103&upc=103-1600822N (heh, didn't notice the PT forum referrer before, pasted the link too quickly!)

$97 to Canaderp including shipping. ouch, sez wallet
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 04:42:09 PM
wtf I can't view it
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 28, 2011, 05:54:11 PM
ahhh, apologies, i stupidly left the PT forum referrer in the address. try it now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 28, 2011, 06:17:28 PM
It's 9 dollars more expensive on that site. I'll have to check which is cheaper with shipping.

edit: wow it's still 12 dollars cheaper. Definitely ordering from there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 28, 2011, 11:57:57 PM
Sweet lord...  :|

Regular edition here I come!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ich bin besser on July 29, 2011, 03:05:34 AM
Guess it's time to buy a blu-ray player, then.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 29, 2011, 04:11:37 AM
I really want the deluxe edition... But I need to control myself. I'm already planning on spending way too much on music in September as is. :(

Do it, you don't want to miss out on those bonus tracks.

Swap the DT/Opeth boxsets for this one  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on July 29, 2011, 08:28:15 AM
Guess it's time to buy a blu-ray player, then.  :hat

same lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 29, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
I bought the deluxe.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on July 29, 2011, 11:11:22 AM
I've got my ps3, but no speakers with coaxial to play surround in. I'll probably get abluray drive for my pc and rip it as a bunch of flacs, as with all my dvd-audio albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on July 29, 2011, 01:00:50 PM
I still don't really get the GfD song.  At all.  I like everything on Insurgentes better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on July 29, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
It's only $5 cheaper from Newbury than Burning Shed. Not sure if the book is worth $80; I could use that to buy the rest of PT's albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on July 29, 2011, 09:08:25 PM
It was $12 cheaper on Newbury for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on July 29, 2011, 09:24:38 PM
So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 30, 2011, 04:52:06 AM
So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?

No, it's all gonna come out at the same time for this album. I really didn't understand the staggered release for Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Global Laziness on July 30, 2011, 07:53:38 AM
Steven Wilson just posted this on his Facebook page:

Quote
Hi folks, some clarification, at least what I know (while I'd love to control every aspect of everything, I just can't!) : The deluxe edition is limited to 5,000 copies worldwide. Exclusive to the deluxe is of course the 120 book itself, and the bonus CD (though 3 of the pieces from the bonus CD also appear as extras on the blu-ray). The blu-ray disc / 5.1 mix will only play on a blu-ray player, no DVD version this time. I believe blu-ray will soon become standard for high res audio releases, and probably movies too - players can now be picked up for as little as £50 and note that you can play your regular DVDs on a blu-ray player too. A standalone blu-ray will be available too (not sure why no pre-order for that one). I think you can cancel your order for the deluxe if you just prefer the blu-ray - we can certainly use them if you prefer not to have one, it's selling pretty fast. I don't know what's going on with the high price of ordering from the local mail order companies, the whole idea was to try to make it cheaper for everyone, but I'm guessing the problem is still the cost of getting the copies out to them from the UK, even in bulk. Kinda frustrating (so here is a picture if me looking suitably grumpy). Anyway, looking into that. The double vinyl will include a drop card allowing you to download the album, but I don't know if that's lossless or compressed mp3. So a few things I need to clarify with the label - hopefully more info in a few days....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198791_242824392404497_114657261887878_835421_6650555_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on July 30, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?

No, it's all gonna come out at the same time for this album. I really didn't understand the staggered release for Insurgentes.
Oh I didn't know about that. I meant like distributed like a regular album, to the bigger music retailers and stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 30, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
Got the deluxe edition. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 30, 2011, 09:54:56 AM
"while I'd love to control every aspect of everything, I just can't!"

Mike Portnoy...Steven Wilson?




 :omg:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on July 30, 2011, 11:24:21 AM
I just asked to cancel my deluxe edition, if I can get the bluray on it's own then I will, I need the money D:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 30, 2011, 01:01:15 PM
So the 2CD Digibook version will be distributed like Insurgentes was?

No, it's all gonna come out at the same time for this album. I really didn't understand the staggered release for Insurgentes.
Oh I didn't know about that. I meant like distributed like a regular album, to the bigger music retailers and stuff.

Oh I assume so. My local HMV has a few copies of Insurgentes. I think after the initial pressing they might change the packaging of the digibook to super jewel case (like with Insurgentes) to save some dough though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on July 30, 2011, 02:14:29 PM
Purchased deluxe + vinyl from burningshed when it came out, but now I wish I  waited a little bit and got the US version instead.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nakedman on July 30, 2011, 03:10:35 PM
"while I'd love to control every aspect of everything, I just can't!"

Mike Portnoy...Steven Wilson?




 :omg:

Except Steven can actually DO everything well!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 31, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
So is the deluxe edition the only way to get the blu-ray?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on July 31, 2011, 10:36:19 AM
So is the deluxe edition the only way to get the blu-ray?

No, the album will be released on Blu-Ray seperately, although you can't pre-order it right now, as noted by SW in his above post on facebook.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 02, 2011, 12:55:15 AM


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198791_242824392404497_114657261887878_835421_6650555_n.jpg)

 :heart


I ordered the vinyl, even though I got slightly raped with shipping.


(I guess it can never really be rape with SW)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 02, 2011, 07:32:19 AM
You think you got raped? I bought the vinyl and the Deluxe Edition!

150 dollars later and my anus is larger, but its ok because SW
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: toro on August 02, 2011, 10:44:14 AM
150 dollars later and my anus is larger, but its ok because SW
:rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wjc on August 06, 2011, 05:40:20 AM
bhjlravsbn;dsvijoaea ;c;klacfaewlkmadks;s WE SO EXCItED
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 06, 2011, 06:24:28 AM
Debating the Philly show. Anyone else going? Is it a nice venue?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SPNKr on August 06, 2011, 06:31:40 AM
so i hdeard the sky movres sifdeways for the first tyime today. gooooooood stuff,
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 06, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
Looks like you listened to it under the right circumstances  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on August 06, 2011, 09:01:10 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on August 06, 2011, 09:05:47 PM
any time is the right time to listen to some steven wilson

equally same for masturbating to him
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on August 06, 2011, 09:07:04 PM
I jerk off to him 04985049 times per day
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 07, 2011, 03:13:23 AM
Really getting back into Insurgentes.  It just blows my mind.  Every song except "No Twilight..." is a 10/10 right now for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 07, 2011, 05:14:14 AM
Really getting back into Insurgentes.  It just blows my mind.  Every song except "No Twilight..." is a 10/10 right now for me.

How can the best song on the album not be a 10/10?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 08, 2011, 01:14:31 AM
Really getting back into Insurgentes.  It just blows my mind.  Every song except "No Twilight..." is a 10/10 right now for me.

How can the best song on the album not be a 10/10?
I dunno, but I guess I don't like the songs most of you guys like.  I wasn't that impressed with "Remainer..." for example.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 08, 2011, 03:49:43 AM
Ah I wouldn't know, out of respect for the artists, I don't listen to albums before they come out. :P
So I haven't heard anything from Grace For Drowning yet, but I am excited about it.. probably the most excited I've been for an album in a long time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 08, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
SW officially released a song, dude.  It's not like it leaked.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 08, 2011, 08:26:57 AM
Yeah but there's no way I would ruin the whole album-experience to hear a song now, that would just be... stupid.  :lol
I mean the album will be out in like a month anyways.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 08, 2011, 08:28:24 AM
...Because the whole-album experience trumps everything?  Just listen to music and enjoy, dude, it's not like you have to make these hard-nosed rules about it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on August 08, 2011, 08:33:50 AM
Yeah but there's no way I would ruin the whole album-experience to hear a song now, that would just be... stupid.  :lol
I mean the album will be out in like a month anyways.
I agree with the Z.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 08, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
...Because the whole-album experience trumps everything?  Just listen to music and enjoy, dude, it's not like you have to make these hard-nosed rules about it.

Thing is, all of my best music-experiences are connected to hearing an album in its entirety for the first time, the whole exciting part of hearing a new song for the first time, then during those last seconds of every song, keep wondering "what will come next?".
I'm very much an album-person, obviously there are times when I listen to individual songs (mostly when I have time-restriction), but I do think a song should be heard the first time as it was intended - in the context of the album.

To me, there's just a lot of excitement about a new album, sure I read a lot about what the artist themselves say about it, and I've also seen some of the recent interviews of SW talking about the album, but that is just to make me even more excited about it, I would never ruin it by listening to a song or samples, because when I first hear the album, I want every second of it to be new and interesting!
If I hear a song now, then I might as well skip it when I hear the album, because then it wont have the same "new"-feel to it.

In the world today, very few people have patience.
I think the majority of people in this thread have already heard a song or two, maybe even all the samples of the songs, and that's OK.
When they hear the album, they already know what to expect, and if they enjoy it, then it's their choice obviously, me myself could never do that.
Besides, what's the point of listening to a song or samples now anyway?
I've waited for a long while for this album, and a month more is not a problem, there's shitloads of music for me to listen to meanwhile.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 08, 2011, 08:43:22 AM
Well, I can listen to samples and enjoy the album at the same time.  Sorry about your handicap.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 08, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
It's not about enjoying, it's about wanting the whole experience to be new.
It's the same for me with movies really, there are people who watch 20 different trailers before seeing a movie, I don't want to spoil anything.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 08, 2011, 03:51:33 PM
Well, I can listen to samples and enjoy the album at the same time.  Sorry about your handicap.

I wouldn't call it a handicap, but a preference. I can see where he's coming from.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 08, 2011, 03:57:28 PM
I've broken that rule a few times in the past and actually regretted it a lot, so I'm trying harder now to not listen to anything before the release date.

And as I said earlier, there's tons of music that I can listen to meanwhile, I'm still really excited about what's to come obviously, but I still have things to listen to now, don't need to spoil anything. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 08, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
Yea, I did that for the new BF album, and it definitely made the first listen more enjoyable.

I have a raging hard on for SW though, so there was no way in hell I was going to make it without hearing the song. I've only listened to it 4 times though since it came out over a month ago, so it's not too committed to memory.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OskarSluring on August 10, 2011, 12:41:48 PM
Video for "Track One"

https://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2011/08/10/video-steven-wilsons-track-one
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on August 10, 2011, 12:43:02 PM
YES
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 10, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
It's getting more harder to stay away, because I'm so excited for this album...
Maybe I should just go underground in a bunker for a month.

At least I have loads of music to listen to meanwhile. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on August 10, 2011, 12:50:23 PM
That was a really cool music video.  I loved the simplicity of it.  Also, it was my first taste of the song and it was great! 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 10, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
That song was way better than Remainder the Black Dog IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on August 10, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
Definitely not better than RtBD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on August 10, 2011, 01:32:26 PM
Guys... SW has a beard. :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on August 10, 2011, 02:07:25 PM
That may be the best music video I have ever seen it has so much atmosphere and it's so simple and fits the music perfectly. The song itself is also awesome it will be hard to resist listening to it again until whole album will come out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on August 10, 2011, 04:10:08 PM
That was insane. Really artsy. Song + Video = complete mindfreak.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on August 12, 2011, 06:54:16 AM
Forgot to report back once I heard the song and saw the video. Absolute genius. It's almost like the dark and light elements from Insurgentes that had mostly built up to each other don't build anymore, it just goes straight from haunting lightness to disturbed darkness. I love that effect.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on August 12, 2011, 07:08:31 AM
Looks awesome, but I'm gonna wait til the album comes out. I heard RtBD 3 times, and that is enough to hold me over until September.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on August 12, 2011, 07:12:40 AM
Looks awesome, but I'm gonna wait til the album comes out. I heard RtBD 3 times, and that is enough to hold me over until September.  :biggrin:
Enough to hold me over until September of next year, I'm afraid. Didn't connect with it for a second.

Track One's really cool, though. Especially with the video. Absolutely fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on August 12, 2011, 07:31:41 AM
Looks awesome, but I'm gonna wait til the album comes out. I heard RtBD 3 times, and that is enough to hold me over until September.  :biggrin:
Enough to hold me over until September of next year, I'm afraid. Didn't connect with it for a second.

Track One's really cool, though. Especially with the video. Absolutely fantastic.

That's too bad! I thought Remainder was an awesome song. Though, to be honest, I do hope the rest of the album is a bit different from that.

Glad to hear Track One is good though, makes me even more excited for next month! :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on August 12, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
Okay, so the Track One video is really really great.  Not sure about the actual song yet, but it wasn't bad, which means my excitement hasn't waned yet and it'll probably grow on me the way Insurgentes did.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 12, 2011, 06:34:06 PM
That was one of the best music videos I've ever seen.  Way better than Harmony Korine, I think.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 12, 2011, 11:40:48 PM
Definitely not better than RtBD.
Well that'd be difficult. That's one of his best songs in years IMHO. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on August 13, 2011, 07:47:03 AM
Okay, so the Track One video is really really great.  Not sure about the actual song yet, but it wasn't bad, which means my excitement hasn't waned yet and it'll probably grow on me the way Insurgentes did.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Plasmastrike on August 16, 2011, 12:15:59 PM
"Like The Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye"

https://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/articles/web-extras/2011/aug/16/download-exclusive-track-steven-wilson/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on August 16, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
I was pretty turned off by the jazz section in the track released from his new album... looking forward to hearing it, though. 'Insurgentes' the track, and Harmony Korine rank as highly as many of my favourite PT songs for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on August 16, 2011, 12:18:02 PM
 :tup

I didn't listen to it because I don't wanna hear anymore of the album until it's released. It would be great if someone could upload the interview part with the tracks edited out though. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on August 23, 2011, 12:26:49 PM
Quote
A second video from Steven Wilson's forthcoming album Grace For Drowning "Index" is now exclusively available to view on Yahoo (follow the link). More info on SW's facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steven-Wilson-Official-page/114657261887878
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on August 23, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
Very nice! I think I love this song more than anything I've heard from this album yet. :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on August 23, 2011, 03:49:36 PM
This song is breathtaking and the video is also very interesting. I really can't wait for this album...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on August 23, 2011, 04:04:57 PM
Four new songs total already?  Awesome!  Listening to the latest two now!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Quadrochosis on August 23, 2011, 05:40:50 PM
About 34 days until the new album!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on August 23, 2011, 08:59:58 PM
Like Dust gives me a VERY Pink Floydish vibe.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on August 23, 2011, 10:47:03 PM
Watching that video makes me wonder what SW and Lassie's conversations must be like. They must be so much different than those of 98% of people on the planet.

'Let's take a mannequin out on the beach and light it's head on fire.' Just not something that pops up in conversation... even among really drunk people.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on August 23, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
I've actually lit something similar to a mannequin on fire while drunk once. It wasn't on a beach though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on August 24, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Both new songs (LDIHCFME and Index) are fantastic.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Phantasmatron on August 24, 2011, 05:44:55 PM
I've actually lit something similar to a mannequin on fire while drunk once. It wasn't on a beach though.

Um...a person?

You lit a person on fire while drunk?

Damn.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on August 24, 2011, 05:47:36 PM
no it was like a doll or something


I don't actually remember it, just the remains in the morning :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on August 24, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
It was me. I still have the scars.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on August 24, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
 :xbones
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 30, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
Index and the video for Index are terrifying.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on August 31, 2011, 10:49:24 AM
https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-porcupine-tree-guitarist-steven-wilson-premieres-remainder-black-dog-music-video

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 31, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
Watching now.

Edit: Well that was...strange. I like.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on August 31, 2011, 11:11:10 AM
SW has talked in interviews about the cinematic aspects of his music and his work with Lasse Hoile expanding for this record. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a video for every song on the album. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on August 31, 2011, 11:50:08 AM
SW has talked in interviews about the cinematic aspects of his music and his work with Lasse Hoile expanding for this record. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a video for every song on the album. That would be awesome.
True that
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on August 31, 2011, 12:11:01 PM
SW has talked in interviews about the cinematic aspects of his music and his work with Lasse Hoile expanding for this record. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a video for every song on the album. That would be awesome.

I actually thought the same exact thing. I was wondering if there was gonna be a section on the bluray with all (or most) of the videos.

I haven't watched any of the videos yet, but I'm thinking about checking out Remainder since that is the one song I've heard.... but part of me just wants to wait until the album is released!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on August 31, 2011, 01:45:05 PM
Absolutely disappointed, the dogs in the video weren't black  :angry:  :biggrin:

Oh and @Pirate, I read some info on the deluxe edition and I think it said there's videos for 5 of the songs, so I'm assuming that that's all of them...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on August 31, 2011, 02:23:58 PM
Porcupine Tree "guitarist"?   ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on August 31, 2011, 02:38:20 PM
Porcupine Tree "guitarist"?   ???
lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Silver Tears on August 31, 2011, 02:39:26 PM
Porcupine Tree "guitarist"?   ???
hehe
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2011, 09:33:25 AM
(https://a.yfrog.com/img644/2452/yozwf.jpg)

Saw this picture on another forum that I can't mention


HOLY SHIT I CAN'T WAIT
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 09, 2011, 04:17:17 PM
Kscope better keep their word on getting more copies in.

edit: ohshi didn't see Newbury Comics on the official site. Ordered!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 09, 2011, 07:01:17 PM
When does the record release?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
The 27th, I believe.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on September 09, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
It's the 26th.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 10, 2011, 07:00:33 AM
fuuuuuuuuccckkkkkkk
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 10, 2011, 07:21:19 AM
I'm always OCD about his albums so I have to get the regular edition for the artwork as well as the collector's edition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 10, 2011, 10:02:54 AM
I'm gonna wait until I get the boxset before I listen to it. IT NEEDS TO BE PERFECT

But that means I  probably won't get to hear it until the first week of October. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on September 10, 2011, 10:25:58 AM
I'm gonna wait until I get the boxset before I listen to it. IT NEEDS TO BE PERFECT

But that means I  probably won't get to hear it until the first week of October. :(

Unless of course it gets lost, stolen or damaged in the mail. Or the delivery truck could get hijacked or it could just spontaneously combust. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 10, 2011, 10:31:16 AM
If any of that happens I'm blaming you and feeding off of your soul until a new copy of the album arrives.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 12, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
So I'm reviewing my order for the boxset, and apparently I haven't been charged for it and the website says "payment authorized"



fuck.

yes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 12, 2011, 10:41:15 PM
just a heads up, they might charge you once it actually ships. I think that is how it is usually done.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 12, 2011, 10:45:32 PM
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 12, 2011, 11:22:30 PM
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.
Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships.

But most other places seem to charge upon receiving the order. Hmm.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on September 13, 2011, 12:04:48 AM
I'm listening to Bass Communion's "Molotov and Haze" album right now.  The song "Glacial 1602" sounds really similar to Veneno Para Las Hadas.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 13, 2011, 01:44:59 AM
I'm listening to Bass Communion's "Molotov and Haze" album right now.  The song "Glacial 1602" sounds really similar to Veneno Para Las Hadas.

You mean the other way around? :P
Seeing as Molotov and Haze came out before Insurgentes.

It's not the first time SW has taken something he's done with BC for another project, another good example is the song "Together We're Stranger" by No-Man, which is pretty much "Drugged" with vocals.
One of my favorite No-Man songs though, so just love it.  :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 13, 2011, 02:01:54 AM
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.
Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships.

But most other places seem to charge upon receiving the order. Hmm.

Play.com also charges when the item is shipped.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 13, 2011, 04:12:35 PM
I've never had it work that way. Any other site that you order from charges you immediately, then ships. That happened with the Opeth album I ordered at the same time.
Amazon doesn't charge until the item actually ships.

This is what I was basing my response on. I think this is how a lot online retailers handle pre-orders... or at least, the ones I have had experience with.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 13, 2011, 04:44:38 PM
And like I said, I preordered the Opeth one from Roadrunner at the same time as the SW one and it charged me immediately.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 15, 2011, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: SW
The new issue of German magazine Eclipsed includes an interview about Grace For Drowning, as part of which they asked me to choose a very personal selection of 20 tracks that I'd been involved in that I was most proud of. I chose:

Stop Swimming (PT), Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (PT), Sleep Together (PT), Anesthetize (PT), Heartattack in a Layby (PT), All Sweet Things (No-Man), Returning Jesus (No-Man), Mixtaped (No-Man), 1,000 People (Blackfield), Ghosts on Magnetic Tape (Bass Communion), Pacific Codex (Bass Communion), Abandoner (SW), Salvaging (SW), Veneno Para Las Hadas (SW), Get All You Deserve (SW), Belle De Jour (SW), Remainder the Black Dog (SW), Index (SW), Raider II (SW), Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye (SW).


This is very interesting to me. Especially the part where he included a bunch of songs on his new album (granted, we've heard three of them, but Raider II is shaping up to be a monster). It's also cool to hear what SW's favourite PT songs are.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 15, 2011, 02:37:35 PM
That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 15, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
It's great that SW also mentions some No-Man and Bass Communion.
I love those myself, and hopefully it will get more people interested in checking it out. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 15, 2011, 04:22:26 PM
Cool! Makes me wanna check out the stuff I haven't heard even more...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on September 16, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
I'm listening to Bass Communion's "Molotov and Haze" album right now.  The song "Glacial 1602" sounds really similar to Veneno Para Las Hadas.

You mean the other way around? :P
Seeing as Molotov and Haze came out before Insurgentes.

It's not the first time SW has taken something he's done with BC for another project, another good example is the song "Together We're Stranger" by No-Man, which is pretty much "Drugged" with vocals.
One of my favorite No-Man songs though, so just love it.  :)
I knew that Molotov and Haze came first, and a song from it sounds like a song from Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bedwetting Cosmonaut on September 19, 2011, 07:49:10 AM
getting my anus ready for the new album

BC
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 19, 2011, 07:53:11 AM
getting my anus ready for the new album

BC

Bite the pillow.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bedwetting Cosmonaut on September 19, 2011, 09:04:43 AM
SW's goin' in dry.

BC
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 19, 2011, 09:04:56 AM
Raider II sounds good
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 20, 2011, 06:15:53 AM
Man, never knew he put two songs on the Insurgentes DVD. Outtakes called Desperation and A Western Home. They sound so godamn good, wish I could find a way to get them...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 02:34:00 PM
Raider II sounds super good
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 20, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
So I have all 4 different versions pre-ordered from Burning Shed. Roll on release day! ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 03:42:25 PM
I had to cancel my special edition for monetary reasons, I guess anesthetize will be the only clothbook I'll have after all :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 20, 2011, 04:03:07 PM
Oh man  :( that sucks.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 20, 2011, 04:14:27 PM
And now I hear there is a signing where I'll be on saturday...

But I left my copy of insurgentes/insurgentes film at home (just moved to uni)

FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS

There is a signing next week, time to get some stuff sent in the post to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 20, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
"Oh hi guys. I will now be monitoring this thread."

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/tatt1.jpg)

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 20, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
Jackie, that is fuckawesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 20, 2011, 05:41:27 PM
Grathiath  :D

She totally messed up the jacket too but I don't even care cause IT'S SO COOL.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 20, 2011, 06:24:33 PM
Did that take many sessions? Looks pretty nice too, awesome idea for a tattoo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 20, 2011, 06:30:45 PM
Yeah, that tattoo is SO FUCKING AWESOME  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 20, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
Thanks  :D

Did that take many sessions? Looks pretty nice too, awesome idea for a tattoo.

Only one 90-minute session actually.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on September 21, 2011, 04:26:39 AM
That is pretty badass.

Insurgentesfilm is fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 22, 2011, 10:58:52 AM
22/09/2011 - 11:27AM

Your Burning Shed order has been posted
1 x Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning - double vinyl edition (double vinyl)  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 22, 2011, 10:59:58 AM
I ordered mine from Newbury Comics or whatever so I expect to get it before any Americans that ordered it from Burning Shed. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 22, 2011, 11:02:17 AM
I ordered mine from Newbury Comics or whatever so I expect to get it before any Americans that ordered it from Burning Shed. :P

I hate you

I hope I get mine by next weekend though
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 22, 2011, 11:04:36 AM
I ordered mine from Newbury Comics or whatever so I expect to get it before any Americans that ordered it from Burning Shed. :P

I'm not American, I'm British. And Burning Shed is based in Norwich, England which is not too far from where I live  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 22, 2011, 11:55:08 AM
Aw snap.

I also got that email but I'm in the US so I imagine it will still be a bit before I get it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 22, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
I didn't get an e-mail  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 22, 2011, 01:48:12 PM
I didn't get an e-mail  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 22, 2011, 01:59:05 PM
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:victorydance: :victorydance:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 22, 2011, 02:02:36 PM
I hope you know you need to send me a super high quality rip as soon as you get it  :biggrin: Mine still hasn't shipped and I feel like even if it does ship today I won't get it for 2 weeks since my post office sucks dicks
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 22, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
Fucking fuck I'm so excited for this.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2011, 02:23:42 PM
Ryan, you must be rich seeing how many expensive music-related products you buy.  :o
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 22, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
Where do you think the butler joke comes from?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2011, 02:56:02 PM
I'm not sure if I have heard the joke. :o
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 22, 2011, 03:45:13 PM
Harry always says I have like 8 butlers because he thought my house was huge. (and other assorted butler jokes)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2011, 02:18:01 AM
Ah cool stuff.  :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 23, 2011, 05:00:32 AM
I am in the process of aquiring the album right now. We we so excited.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 23, 2011, 08:45:37 AM
Requesting that anyone that listens to it uses small font to talk about anything from the album until the release date... it's gonna be awhile still before I get to listen.  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 23, 2011, 08:57:28 AM
Listening now! fksdghfhgdhdf
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 23, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Has it been released somewhere already?

Hopefully my book thingy will arrive on Monday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 23, 2011, 11:21:14 AM
The album was FUCKING AWESOME
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 23, 2011, 11:46:14 AM
This is incredible so far.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on September 23, 2011, 11:57:05 AM
Going to listen in a little bit. . . . .

Can't wait.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on September 23, 2011, 12:31:42 PM
Hey guys, pop quiz!

Q: Why is Grace For Drowning so awesome?

A: Steven Wilson
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 23, 2011, 12:53:34 PM
Deformed to Form a Star and Remainder the Black Dog are my favorites so far. Also, I actually didn't like Raider II as much as I thought I would on first listen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
Just started listening.  :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on September 23, 2011, 03:18:30 PM
Quote
Hello,

Thank you for your recent purchase with us. We appreciate your business.

Typically, pre-orders are shipped out as the release date approaches, as we intend for arrival as close to the release date as is possible.

Unfortunately, we have recently been notified by our distributor that we will not be receiving these items at our facility until Monday September 26th.

You may have received an email that your order shipped. This email is sent out automatically at the beginning of our shipping process. Due to the high volume of orders for this item, and the delay from the distributor, we have already begun processing all Grace For Drowning pre-orders to ensure that they are delivered to you as quickly as possible.

Your order will be physically shipped from our warehouse, as soon as we receive the items from the distributor.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience or confusion this may cause, and appreciate your patience in this matter.

Please feel free to let me know if you have any other questions or concerns, and thank you for shopping with Newbury Comics.

Best regards,
Dave
newburycomics.com Customer Service
customerservice@newburycomics.com

FUCK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 23, 2011, 04:19:11 PM
HOLY SHIT THIS MIGHT BE ALBUM OF THE YEAR AND I'M ON TRACK FOUR
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 23, 2011, 04:19:42 PM
HOLY SHIT THIS MIGHT BE ALBUM OF THE YEAR AND I'M ON TRACK FOUR

Fanboiiii.

Nah, but really good album indeed, just finished my first listen. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 23, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
This album makes me randy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 23, 2011, 04:57:17 PM
FUCK

I got that message too. Haha letters. I'm glad I ordered the regular edition from amazon, gotta get that artwork!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 23, 2011, 05:12:11 PM
HOLY SHIT THIS MIGHT BE ALBUM OF THE YEAR AND I'M ON TRACK FOUR

Fanboiiii.

Nah, but really good album indeed, just finished my first listen. :)

To be fair, this year has been stupidly strong. After this I'm going back to Road Salt Two which was also amazing on first listen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 24, 2011, 02:17:26 AM
This year has been crazy indeed.
I don't see how any year can top this, but again I think every person discovers new bands/artist every year, so it is possible that in 2013 or 2015 (just a random year), that more artist I care for will release something, but again, it's hard to say.

I'm just happy with 2011.  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 24, 2011, 03:26:36 AM
Just got my lovely double vinyl edition  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 25, 2011, 02:43:04 AM
Where are you, Fret?

I didn't even check my mail today but assume it will come next week at some point...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 25, 2011, 02:55:18 AM
I live in London, so its not too far from Burning Shed headquarters anyway
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 25, 2011, 03:12:41 AM
I don't think there is a single second on this album that I didn't get a boner over. The first section of Index in the passage, "collect, file, index.." is so sexy. Mmm! Bumblebee-tuna.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on September 25, 2011, 06:00:07 AM
First listen is commencing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 25, 2011, 06:37:23 AM
I hope my deluxe edition gets here in time for the signing I'm going to on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 25, 2011, 06:59:17 AM
I got my vinyl edition yesterday. After a few spins I have to say this is probably the best SW album I've heard. Sure, there might be better album by him out there that I haven't heard yet, but my God, this is incredible. :hefdaddy

Most notable songs for me so far:
Deform to Form a Star
Postcard
Belle de Jour
Index
Raider II
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 25, 2011, 08:39:58 AM
If they haven't even started shipping them to the US yet (based on that letter), I guess I will break down and listen on release day.  :P I really wanted to wait for the boxset to get here, but it will probably take 2 weeks.  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on September 25, 2011, 11:38:09 AM
Well this is pretty damn cool.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
Alright here we go, Grace for Drowning for the first time. My expectations are worryingly high.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 25, 2011, 01:20:09 PM
Twin sister staaaaars
Bouncing off caaaaars

That is all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 01:21:38 PM
Deform to Form A Star was fucking magnificent. On Remainder now which I already know the excellence of, than it's on to Disc 2.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 25, 2011, 01:56:04 PM
Deform to Form A Star was fucking magnificent.

Definitely the best on the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 25, 2011, 02:17:29 PM
Deform to Form A Star was fucking magnificent.

Definitely the best on the album.

This
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 25, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with that as well. Deform to Form a Star is such a beautiful song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on September 25, 2011, 03:21:28 PM
I'm really digging Postcard, such a wonderful song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
I'm really digging Postcard, such a wonderful song.

It's really fantastic indeed, struck me as one of the more underrated songs on the album. (at least judging by which songs get attention)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on September 25, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
So yeah... Going to an album signing by SW tomorrow... I can't wait to hear GFD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 25, 2011, 03:58:38 PM
Yeah I much as I :heart :heart :heart Remainder, DtFaS is just impossibly beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 25, 2011, 04:17:58 PM
Pretty excited to listen to this album :)


I think I'll do it later. Seems like the perfect night.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on September 25, 2011, 04:41:38 PM
I'm really digging Postcard, such a wonderful song.

My favorite song so far.

The rest of the album will take some time to grow on me as insurgents did.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 25, 2011, 04:53:39 PM
Sounds like great impressions so far, it'll take a lot to top Insurgentes in my opinion.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on September 25, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
Sounds like great impressions so far, it'll take a lot to top Insurgentes in my opinion.

I don't think I like it over Insurgents.

I'll see how it holds up over time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on September 25, 2011, 05:35:29 PM
This album could use some serious trimming.  There are absolutely beautiful moments on it, but there is also a fair share of unnecessary parts that it would do better without.  Still fairly pleased, but it's not an album that I'd listen through in its entirety very often.  I'd see myself more listening to the particular tracks I loved (specifically Deform to Form a Star, Postcard, the title track, etc.)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 25, 2011, 05:44:26 PM
Really not liking Postcard.

I'd like to see SW make some more heavier music in his solo projects.

And I have to agree with the above post, there's a lot of filler in this album. Especially the 20 minute song. Half of it is ambience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 26, 2011, 02:16:53 AM
Ambience is awesome, why take it out?  :\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: NecessaryPain on September 26, 2011, 04:39:33 AM
Ambience is awesome, why take it out?  :\

There's quite a lot of boring sections where nothing is happenning.

Some people might like songs like that. I don't.

But the album is good, don't get me wrong. I just find myself preferring PT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 26, 2011, 08:35:44 AM
Bought the 2CD on HMV today, on first listen now. Deform To Form a Star, Postcard, Raider Prelude and Index stand out so far.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bedwetting Cosmonaut on September 26, 2011, 09:11:06 AM
the best album of all time objectively if you disagree you are wrong

BC
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 26, 2011, 09:31:46 AM
I like it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 26, 2011, 10:50:30 AM
the best album of all time objectively if you disagree you are wrong

BC

In my objective omniscience, I humbly demand this statement be made fact. Let it be written, let it be done. Pampers.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on September 26, 2011, 12:23:01 PM
Bought the 2CD on HMV today, on first listen now. Deform To Form a Star, Postcard, Raider Prelude and Index stand out so far.

Did the same, time to listen.. cannai wait!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 26, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
I checked Insurgentes back in the day but wasn't really convinced, it sounded kind of too experimental and out there for me so I thought I wouldn't like this. It turns out I've loved this and it's made me check back on Insurgentes and I'm loving it too so it's all growing on me and I have a grower between my legs but my wife is about to get home and I don't want her to think I've been touching myself so I'm just going to turn it off for now OK?

What would you recommend for Grace, vinyls for the artwork and vintage feel or 5.1 mix for the woah factor?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 26, 2011, 01:10:22 PM
I'm loving it too so it's all growing on me and I have a grower between my legs but my wife is about to get home and I don't want her to think I've been touching myself so I'm just going to turn it off for now OK?

:|

 :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 26, 2011, 01:38:39 PM
Damn, Steven sure loves his dynamics  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 26, 2011, 01:55:37 PM
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."


I... uh... wut?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 26, 2011, 01:58:27 PM
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."


I... uh... wut?

Meh.  Who cares if someone doesn't like him?  Not everyone is gonna love the same bands or musicians.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 26, 2011, 02:00:15 PM
Agree that some people sometimes care a little too much about what others think.
On the other hand, I think Sputnikmusic is a site full with a lot of trolls/jerks or whatever you wanna call them, about 2 out of 5 people can be taken seriously, the rest... not so much.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 26, 2011, 02:05:11 PM
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."


I... uh... wut?

Meh.  Who cares if someone doesn't like him?  Not everyone is gonna love the same bands or musicians.

I know, it's totally cool if someone doesn't like him, but that statement is just completely incorrect and unnecessary. Of all the artists you could say that about, Steven Wilson would be one of the last ones that should be said about.


Agree that some people sometimes care a little too much about what others think.
On the other hand, I think Sputnikmusic is a site full with a lot of trolls/jerks or whatever you wanna call them, about 2 out of 5 people can be taken seriously, the rest... not so much.
Yeah a lot of people there can't be taken seriously, but this guy is a contributor, hand picked by the staff because of his good reviews...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 26, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Soundoff from a popular contributor on Sputnikmusic: "Steven Wilson is one of the most consistently monotonous musicians to have ever existed. Everything he has done is awful and contributes to the death of innovation and creativity."


I... uh... wut?

Meh.  Who cares if someone doesn't like him?  Not everyone is gonna love the same bands or musicians.

I know, it's totally cool if someone doesn't like him, but that statement is just completely incorrect and unnecessary. Of all the artists you could say that about, Steven Wilson would be one of the last ones that should be said about.


Agree that some people sometimes care a little too much about what others think.
On the other hand, I think Sputnikmusic is a site full with a lot of trolls/jerks or whatever you wanna call them, about 2 out of 5 people can be taken seriously, the rest... not so much.
Yeah a lot of people there can't be taken seriously, but this guy is a contributor, hand picked by the staff because of his good reviews...

That's the part that threw me... The answer is clear: Blue balls.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on September 26, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
After 1 listen, Deform to Form a Star was definitely the stand out, stunning! I found myself meandering during Raider II, need to sit down in a dark room and listen more intently..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 26, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
While Raider II is a phenomenal song, I think it's parts are greater than their sum. I can really get into the individual parts and I know that they are linked in key and chord progression, they have very different styles and feels that don't seem to quite gel. It's almost like Anesthetize in this regard. However, I really really like both songs and feel that their highs are through the roof and their lows I don't have to try hard to get over. Both fantastic songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 26, 2011, 04:17:08 PM
Raider II I think is pretty good. Not super-amazing, but a good, enjoyable track.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 26, 2011, 05:46:38 PM
Raider II I think is pretty good. Not super-amazing, but a good, enjoyable track.
-1. Exactlys. I think it gets a lot more crap than it deserves.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 27, 2011, 01:05:35 AM
Nothing beats waking up in the morning, and getting Grace For Drowning as a birthday gift.  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 27, 2011, 01:08:37 AM
Happy birthday!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 27, 2011, 04:16:48 AM
Nothing beats waking up in the morning, and getting Grace For Drowning as a birthday gift.  :heart

That's awesome man, happy birthday!

My deluxe copy arrived about 10 minutes ago, and Road Salt Two followed 5 minutes after  :lol

The packaging is lovely, they've incorporated something like tracing paper into the book, it's really cool. And of course the pictures are awesome. I'll report back on the bonus tracks+Blu-ray later.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 27, 2011, 04:30:51 AM
So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 27, 2011, 04:52:45 AM
ITT, we've learned that liking Steven Wilson doesn't absolve you for liking Prog Metal. The hipsters at Sputnik and elsewhere on the internet still think you're lame, even if you listen to the most hip prog artist out there. I hope you guys enjoyed being the coolest kid at anime club while it lasted.  :loser:

Anyway, completely kidding there  :biggrin: I love my anime too, of course.

This arrived today and I'm impressed as usual. Listened to it twice. Not all of it has clicked yet but most of it was immediately satisfying. The first disc is better than the second, since Raider II is just really overblown and needs a ton of trimming down. Otherwise, fantastic release.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 27, 2011, 04:56:24 AM
Guys no one has answered yet if I should get vinyl or blue ray and I really don't have a personality of my own so I need your guidance in this matter.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 27, 2011, 04:57:57 AM
Hard to say, I got the normal digibook edition with 2 CD's, but I don't own neither a BluRay player or a turntable, so kinda obvious choice.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 27, 2011, 05:20:36 AM
I do have a turntable (not a blue ray player yet, though I intend to get one soon) but I do most of my daily listening from MP3 anyway. My debate is mostly between vintage feel and larger artwork (vinyl) and 5.1 mix (blue ray), so I would like some opinions from people who got either to know the quality of each edition and decide which I prefer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 27, 2011, 05:56:00 AM
Guys no one has answered yet if I should get vinyl or blue ray and I really don't have a personality of my own so I need your guidance in this matter.

Once my blu-ray arrives I'll be able to give a comparison :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 27, 2011, 06:14:39 AM
The bonus tracks are pretty cool. You can listen to the first, Home In Negative, here: https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/home-in-negative

Fluid Tap and The Map are awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 27, 2011, 06:22:34 AM
My deluxe book arrived today. It's wonderful. :D
Jumping from a 320kbps MP3 version to a blu-ray stereo mix is shocking quite frankly. It's amazing. :omg:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bedwetting Cosmonaut on September 27, 2011, 07:54:31 AM
my ballsack will explode when my vinyl and deluxe editions come in the mail

BC
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 27, 2011, 07:57:09 AM
my ballsack will explode when my vinyl and deluxe editions come in the mail

BC

 :|

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zydar on September 27, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
my ballsack will explode when my vinyl and deluxe editions come in the mail

BC

Eeeww.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on September 27, 2011, 08:41:15 AM
Yay, I just got my deluxe edition in the mail, I'm looking at the pictures now. Unfortunately I don't have time to listen to it today...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2011, 09:29:33 AM
Okay, this album sounds absolutely killer thus far. :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 27, 2011, 09:47:33 AM
The bonus tracks are pretty cool. You can listen to the first, Home In Negative, here: https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/home-in-negative

Fluid Tap and The Map are awesome.

Oooo I wanna hear them so terribly!! Need that deluxe. Upgrade.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 27, 2011, 11:37:56 AM
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 27, 2011, 11:39:58 AM
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?

So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?

I'm here to serve.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 27, 2011, 11:45:02 AM
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?

So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?

I'm here to serve.

Haha thank you!

@SlickSy: NO, but I'll be going to the Sheffield one tomorrow. eeeeeeeeeeee excited
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2011, 12:03:30 PM
I love how some of the songs on this new album sound like something you'd hear in a dark and creepy movie.  Index definitely has the vibe.  It is almost like this record is the soundtrack to a non-existent movie.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on September 27, 2011, 12:17:02 PM
Got it this morning, can't wait to listen to it! :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on September 27, 2011, 12:18:16 PM
AAARGH still waiting for G4D to come in the mail :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 27, 2011, 12:31:08 PM
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?

So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?

I'm here to serve.

Haha thank you!

@SlickSy: NO, but I'll be going to the Sheffield one tomorrow. eeeeeeeeeeee excited

Oh, that's cool. Be sure to report back with how it goes. I'll be interested to see how it went.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 27, 2011, 01:01:42 PM
Is anyone here going to any of the signing sessions in the UK this week?

So I'm going to Steven Wilson's signing session at Sister Ray in London this Friday. Anyone else going?

I'm here to serve.

Haha thank you!

@SlickSy: NO, but I'll be going to the Sheffield one tomorrow. eeeeeeeeeeee excited

Oh, that's cool. Be sure to report back with how it goes. I'll be interested to see how it went.

Will do.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on September 27, 2011, 01:26:47 PM
Listening to Vol. 1 right now (finishing last track) and I'm quite impressed so far. I love the diversity!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on September 27, 2011, 02:15:45 PM
Is it normal to:
1) be unable to get the chorus of Deform To Form A Star out of your head
2) actually be enjoying the fact that you're unable to shift a song for well over three hours?

I mean, yes, it's an amazing song, but even so, usually having a song stuck that long gets annoying... But it isn't.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 27, 2011, 02:22:53 PM
Just got the vinyl... don't have my turntable here so I can't play it anyways.  :P

Will probably listen to the MP3s tonight though
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 27, 2011, 02:23:14 PM
Is it normal to:
1) be unable to get the chorus of Deform To Form A Star out of your head
2) actually be enjoying the fact that you're unable to shift a song for well over three hours?

I mean, yes, it's an amazing song, but even so, usually having a song stuck that long gets annoying... But it isn't.

Be careful not to wear it out bro.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 27, 2011, 02:23:48 PM
Just got the vinyl... don't have my turntable here so I can't play it anyways.  :P

Will probably listen to the MP3s tonight though
Did you order the vinyl and special edition like Zack did? or just the vinyl?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 27, 2011, 04:39:25 PM
Just got the vinyl... don't have my turntable here so I can't play it anyways.  :P

Will probably listen to the MP3s tonight though
Did you order the vinyl and special edition like Zack did? or just the vinyl?

Both. No boxset yet though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 27, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
What's the packaging like on the Bluray set, anyone know? At HMV Canada it apparently costs $12.99 so I'm guessing it's pretty minimal.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on September 27, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
Disc 1 was fantastic. Now onto disc 2
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 27, 2011, 07:23:52 PM
Man, Steven really outdid himself with the production of this record... great job.

And, damn, Jordan Rudess killed it again!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on September 27, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
The only thing I remember from the album is how Irish Steven Wilson sounds when he says "catalog". 


Or maybe not Irish, but the accent is thick.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 27, 2011, 07:39:14 PM
Man... This album is going to take me weeks to wrap my head around. I'm looking forward to the process.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: dongringo on September 27, 2011, 08:20:07 PM
Yeah, this album is deep. I'm really getting into it, but it will certainly take a long time to fully absorb.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 27, 2011, 08:25:08 PM
Fucking





Fucking amazing guys. FUCK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 27, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
Fucking
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 27, 2011, 08:29:43 PM
Fucking

FUCKKKK!!!!

Deform to Form A Star is one of the greatest things I have ever heard. Easily album of the year, and I'm only just finishing up the first disc.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 27, 2011, 08:37:33 PM
Man it's like an orgy of pleasure and bliss up in this bia. I'm feelin it.

Track One and Index put the most lotion on my skin though. No Part Of Me is right behind 'em with the icyhot. I never thought that Remainder The Black Dog would be near the bottom of my favorites on this album when I first heard it, which is a good thing. That is to say there isn't a single track that doesn't get my groin growin.

What's goin on in here?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on September 27, 2011, 08:45:52 PM
Great album, diverse, experimental, well-produced... Great stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
Assuming Rudess does all of the piano on this album, this might be one of his finest individual efforts to date.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 27, 2011, 08:48:49 PM
Assuming Rudess does all of the piano on this album, this might be one of his finest individual efforts to date.

This, and I'd be very interested in knowing exactly which parts he plays.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on September 27, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
Check the booklet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 27, 2011, 09:07:04 PM
I know I'm a fanboy to begin with, but god damn, this album is brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 27, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
Check the booklet.

My booklet was uh...stolen... Stolen right out of my hands when I walked out of Barnes 'n Noble where I legally purchased this album.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 27, 2011, 09:37:34 PM
God the super special collector's edition is sooooo tempting, but, alas, I just can't justify spending $100 on an album.

I'll prolly pick up the regular edition tomorrow. My local best buy should have it I hope.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 27, 2011, 10:53:41 PM
Assuming Rudess does all of the piano on this album, this might be one of his finest individual efforts to date.

I think he does. It all sounds very "Jordan" to me, especially the stuff in Raider II. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on September 27, 2011, 11:04:11 PM
Bleh I still haven't had time to listen to this album yet. fucking school and work and having to proctor psych exams FUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 27, 2011, 11:10:42 PM
Bleh I still haven't had time to listen to this album yet. fucking school and work and having to proctor psych exams FUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Well this album is sure one hell of a good way to relieve some of that stress. Y'know after you spank it like its 1864.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 28, 2011, 04:00:39 AM
Listening to the album now for the 4th time, and it just keeps on growing.
Deform to Form a Star  :heart :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on September 28, 2011, 04:51:19 AM
Those growls in Raider II are Mikael Akerfeldt right
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on September 28, 2011, 09:14:45 AM
Alright I just finished listening to the first disc, and I am speechless. It was unbelievable. All the songs were so good that I can't pick favorites. So now I'm going to take a little break and then go listen to the second disc.

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 28, 2011, 01:04:25 PM
Steven was pretty awesome today at the signing :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on September 28, 2011, 01:25:53 PM
Hot damn, Postcard...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on September 28, 2011, 02:45:06 PM
Steven was pretty awesome today at the signing :D

Confirmation of my suspision that he is indeed awsome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 28, 2011, 02:52:37 PM
Steven was pretty awesome today at the signing :D

Confirmation of my suspision that he is indeed awsome.

He even insulted Mikael Akerfeldt's signature :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 28, 2011, 02:53:49 PM
Went to the signing in Sheffield today with Faemir, and I can confirm this.

When he signed my copy of Blackwater Park (which is also signed by Mikael), he asked me "who's signature's that?!" I told him it was Mikaels and he said it was "rubbish. It could be anyones! At least you can see the S and the W in mine"

EDIT: DAMMIT FAEMIR
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 28, 2011, 02:57:41 PM
:rollin :rollin
That's awesome.

I'm hoping to get Mikael to sign something when I see Opeth tomorrow so I'll confirm if his signature is awful. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 28, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
:rollin :rollin
That's awesome.

I'm hoping to get Mikael to sign something when I see Opeth tomorrow so I'll confirm if his signature is awful. :P

It's actually quite funny, it resembles his name in no way whatsoever.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 28, 2011, 02:59:08 PM
The next PT needs to sound like Index.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 28, 2011, 03:01:17 PM
There's probably no way I'll see the band at all since I don't have vip tickets, but I'm bringing my BWP vinyl and CD booklet just in case. (and probably the Heritage one if it ever decides to show up at my apartment...)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 28, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
There's probably no way I'll see the band at all since I don't have vip tickets, but I'm bringing my BWP vinyl and CD booklet just in case. (and probably the Heritage one if it ever decides to show up at my apartment...)

Just wait at the back of the venue/near the bus after the show. It might be quite a wait, but there's a good chance you'll meet them. You definitely won't be alone either, it happens at every show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 28, 2011, 03:06:43 PM
It's a 3 hour drive home after the show and I have class the next day. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on September 28, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
It's a 3 hour drive home after the show and I have class the next day. :lol

Holy fuck.

There's always next time!  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 28, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
According to the album credits, Rudess played piano on on just three tracks.

Grace for Drowning
Deform to Form a Star
Raider II (Piano Solo)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bedwetting Cosmonaut on September 29, 2011, 07:32:43 AM
Is there even piano anywhere else on the album?

BC
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 29, 2011, 08:15:32 AM
Is there even piano anywhere else on the album?

BC

Yeah there is. All the other keys/piano work was done by Wilson
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bedwetting Cosmonaut on September 29, 2011, 08:17:46 AM
well obviously there is keys work but i was asking about the grand piano.

Other than the very beginning of Raider II i don't even really remember there being other piano stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on September 29, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
This album  :heart :heart :heart :heart


Can't stop listening
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 29, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
This album  :heart :heart :heart :heart


Can't stop listening

+ :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 29, 2011, 10:31:01 AM
https://sputnikmusic.com/review/45838/Steven-Wilson-Grace-for-Drowning/

First review. This album's doing really really well on sputnik.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 29, 2011, 10:31:42 AM
Yeah I saw that.
Album should be doing well, it is simply breathtaking.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 29, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
and I have the most bumped soundoff :lol :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 29, 2011, 11:06:29 AM
Does Steven let you take photos with him at the signing?  :mehlin *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on September 29, 2011, 11:19:43 AM
Does Steven let you take photos with him at the signing?  :mehlin *crosses fingers*

Yes, though I forgot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on September 29, 2011, 01:41:29 PM
Also, THE CHORUS OF DEFORM TO FORM A STAR IS SO CATCHY GODDAMMIT. And Postcard is one of the most beautiful songs ever. Ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 29, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
Does Steven let you take photos with him at the signing?  :mehlin *crosses fingers*

Yes, though I forgot.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS /fanboy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on September 29, 2011, 01:55:25 PM
Hey I just noticed one thing: At least on my copy of Grace for Drowning, Postcard is called Pasteard (Which is obviously a result of encoding mistake on the CD) BUT since all the tracklist texts on the website and the album booklet are handwriting style as you know, the song title could be misread as "Pasteard" Could that really be why the mistake happened? Anyways that's nothing important, I just thought I'd share it with you.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on September 29, 2011, 02:19:30 PM
Same on my copy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on September 29, 2011, 09:52:15 PM
Postcard is one of the most beautiful songs ever. Ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2011, 11:09:41 PM
Other than the very beginning of Raider II i don't even really remember there being other piano stuff.

Really?  I am noticing piano all over the place, and most of it is gorgeous, whether played by Rudess, Wilson or someone else.

Anyway, I am loving this record to death already.  From start to finish, it is tremendous.  I don't know how this guy repeatedly spits out awesome music, year after year after year. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on September 29, 2011, 11:15:01 PM
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 30, 2011, 05:10:00 AM
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.

I don't think that is a keyboard patch.  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on September 30, 2011, 07:40:38 AM
Great album, diverse, experimental, well-produced... Great stuff.

 :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 09:11:46 AM
I GOT MY BOXSET YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO OPETH BUT I FINALLY GOT TO OPEN IT THIS MORNING AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL OMG
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on September 30, 2011, 09:24:15 AM
I GOT MY BOXSET YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO OPETH BUT I FINALLY GOT TO OPEN IT THIS MORNING AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL OMG

I've just seen, from this video review, almost tempting me into buying it myself.

is this guy high or something though?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9MZTEQqbU
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 09:31:56 AM
I GOT MY BOXSET YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS DRIVING TO OPETH BUT I FINALLY GOT TO OPEN IT THIS MORNING AND IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL OMG

I've just seen, from this video review, almost tempting me into buying it myself.

is this guy high or something though?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9MZTEQqbU

:lol :lol yeah probably
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kosmo on September 30, 2011, 09:39:44 AM
Finally listened to Grace and it's soooo good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
Finally listened to Grace and it's soooo good.

I'm glad you like Jeff Buckley. :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kosmo on September 30, 2011, 10:05:02 AM
Finally listened to Grace and it's soooo good.

I'm glad you like Jeff Buckley. :tup
THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT AND YOU KNOW IT!!

Although Buckley is pretty good too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 10:05:34 AM
:lol :lol Yes indeed he is. :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on September 30, 2011, 11:13:34 AM
I'm expecting my boxset to be waiting there for me when I go home in an hour

But alas, I cannot make good use of it until tomorrow because I'm going out tonight.  :-[
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 01:04:23 PM
The stuff on the third disc is really really awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on September 30, 2011, 01:24:59 PM
I attended the signing session in London today. Steven, put simply, is a wonderful man. :
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on September 30, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
I attended the signing session in London today. Steven, put simply, is a wonderful man. :

Agreed, he's such a calm guy  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on September 30, 2011, 01:58:42 PM
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on September 30, 2011, 02:08:27 PM
H you'd best be joking fool.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 02:16:22 PM
I love everything except for that honky Led Zeppeliny saxophone (?) keyboard patch that keeps showing up.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on September 30, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
H you'd best be joking fool.

Orion....that's the one with a bunch of power chords and boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on September 30, 2011, 06:38:08 PM
Still no box set! FUUUUUUUUUUU-
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on September 30, 2011, 06:38:54 PM
Still no box set! FUUUUUUUUUUU-

Your rage is nothing compared to my Heritage rage.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SPNKr on October 01, 2011, 04:08:26 AM
i love the gfd album. one of my top favourites this year so far_qytrrrrewqwrghmjjxsb fgj ity ioufy  jg nfxfxkuyhulxgultgtaetejtyrh,jklhip
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 01, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Got my boxset when I came home this morning, can't wait to check it out later tonight!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 01, 2011, 11:09:17 AM
Woooo!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 01, 2011, 01:24:44 PM
Are you laughing because I'm not doing a good job at explaining what I'm talking about, or because it's a silly thing to dislike?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
They are probably laughing because you called it a keyboard patch when it is quite obviously a real saxophone.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 01, 2011, 01:28:58 PM
I mixed up a saxophone with something that sounds exactly like a saxophone.  Let's all laugh at Hayden for his musical ignorance and lack of taste.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2011, 01:46:47 PM
Isn't that what they were doing already?  :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 01, 2011, 01:57:41 PM
I don't get the Led Zeppelin connection either, personally.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 01, 2011, 02:00:40 PM
The keyboard/guitar unison in Black Dog's main riff is what came to mind for me.

At least, I think it's a keyboard.  But maybe it's just horrible sound quality from the guitars.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 01, 2011, 02:15:49 PM
The keyboard/guitar unison in Black Dog's main riff is what came to mind for me.

At least, I think it's a keyboard.  But maybe it's just horrible sound quality from the guitars.

Off the top of my head, I think that's just a heavily distorted guitar, but it's been awhile since I've closely listened to it.

Anyways, yeah I'm pretty sure all of the instruments (sax/flute,etc) on GFD are organic. SW doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would go to this extent and then just stick with samples when he has access to so many amazing musicians. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 01, 2011, 03:02:12 PM
Even the choirs are organic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 01, 2011, 03:12:13 PM
Anyone else really disappointed about Steve Hackett on Remainder? I thought Steven would at least let him show his skills, but he's just like any other guitarist on there...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on October 01, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
Anyone else really disappointed about Steve Hackett on Remainder? I thought Steven would at least let him show his skills, but he's just like any other guitarist on there...

Its good music anyway, so it doesn't bother me
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 01, 2011, 03:19:13 PM
Anyone else really disappointed about Steve Hackett on Remainder? I thought Steven would at least let him show his skills, but he's just like any other guitarist on there...

Its good music anyway, so it doesn't bother me
Oh I agree. In fact I think it's the best song of the past couple years. I'm just a little puzzled by it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2011, 03:26:15 PM
To be honest, Steven Wilson and his music has never really been about flashing technical skills or playing fast.
If you're looking for music where the musicians really display their skill, SW's music really isn't the place to look. :P

And by that I don't mean any criticism or anything like that, but SW is more of a "what suits the song"-kind of guy, passion and feel over fast playing or technical.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 01, 2011, 03:40:28 PM
Yeah I'm glad he didn't get to "show his skills"... I hate that kind of approach to music in general.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 01, 2011, 03:44:28 PM
Well I'm just thinking no use getting a guest in the caliber of Steve Hackett to play in a song if he's just gonna be another guy. Oh well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on October 01, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
I'm pretty sure Steve Hackett wrote his parts, not just played what SW told him to, so I don't see any problem. Same with JR's bits in Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 01, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
Steve Hackett's a great guitarist.  Haven't listened to his solo stuff, but in Genesis he knew juuuuuust how many notes to play.  He was kind of a great choice for this album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 01, 2011, 10:33:50 PM
Video for Index: super fucking creepy and EXTREMELY AWESOME

Listened to the album in 5.1 for the first time earlier... Raider II is so atmospheric. I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book


Anyways this album is amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 01, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Video for Index: super fucking creepy and EXTREMELY AWESOME

Listened to the album in 5.1 for the first time earlier... Raider II is so atmospheric. I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book


Anyways this album is amazing.

Hey, man. I just wanted to say your post is really cool and I like it. If this site was as cool as Facebook; I'd 'like' it. Ha. Haha.






Jay kay, DTF. Don't fucking do that. Ever. I'm Marhsall Mathers and I'll keel yew.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 02, 2011, 12:28:37 AM
Yeah I'm glad he didn't get to "show his skills"... I hate that kind of approach to music in general.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 02, 2011, 12:36:19 AM
To be honest, Steven Wilson and his music has never really been about flashing technical skills or playing fast.
If you're looking for music where the musicians really display their skill, SW's music really isn't the place to look. :P

And by that I don't mean any criticism or anything like that, but SW is more of a "what suits the song"-kind of guy, passion and feel over fast playing or technical.

This. Utterly this. Cowhands. I really love Wilson's view on his reason for creating music. He's always said it is an outlet and PT, nor his own music is very 'technical' and has been more about feeling and emotion rather than show; which I couldn't agree more with. In fact, I find myself listening to DT's new album and loving it, but wishing there wasn't so much... I don't know, 'DT-ness' to it. It's just so showy at times, and even though I still love it at moments and it's still awesome, it's a bit much at others.

Yeah I'm glad he didn't get to "show his skills"... I hate that kind of approach to music in general.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 02, 2011, 01:23:10 AM
I don't mind that approach.  It's entertaining.  Like Fatal Tragedy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 02, 2011, 04:41:08 AM
TioJorge clearly understands what's up when it comes to music  :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 02, 2011, 11:39:59 AM
Oh well. It's just weird Steve Hackett is nothing more than a namedrop here.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 02, 2011, 12:40:12 PM
Remainder the Black Dog might end up being my favorite from this record; it sounds like a perfectly-executed song, writing and playing-wise.  Who cares if Hackett's style or playing doesn't stand out at the expense of the song?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 02:01:26 PM
Video for Index: super fucking creepy and EXTREMELY AWESOME

Listened to the album in 5.1 for the first time earlier... Raider II is so atmospheric. I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book


Anyways this album is amazing.

Super jelly, i'm at uni with a 2.0 set D:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 02, 2011, 02:04:59 PM
I did notice in the boxset book, they switched the order of Track One and Index. Not a huge deal, but it confused me for a minute when I was looking through the book

I noticed this too and was a little confused.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 02, 2011, 02:06:39 PM
Is the book like, really cool or just kinda cool?

I ask because I want to know if I should plan on getting the Insurgentes box set someday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 02, 2011, 02:08:27 PM
it's really really really really cool
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 02, 2011, 03:25:36 PM
Is the book like, really cool or just kinda cool?

I ask because I want to know if I should plan on getting the Insurgentes box set someday.

it's relleh kul

The Insurgentes box is something that if I had the money, I would pay nearly any amount for on ebay
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
The anesthetize book is really great, the imagery is brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on October 02, 2011, 05:37:46 PM
Even the choirs are organic.

I find that they are the biggest negative for me on this album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SPNKr on October 02, 2011, 06:44:22 PM
The keyboard/guitar unison in Black Dog's main riff is what came to mind for me.

At least, I think it's a keyboard.  But maybe it's just horrible sound quality from the guitars.

It's just electric guitar plugged into the mixing desk directly, he did something with it and achieved a clipped guitar tone. No keys involved in that song.

As for the sax Steve used, yes that is indeed a soprano saxophone. Best to know your facts before you look like an idiot heh.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 02, 2011, 09:15:53 PM
Album of the year?

It's very close.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SPNKr on October 02, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
Album of the year?

It's very close.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 02, 2011, 09:26:02 PM
Album of the year?

It is.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 02, 2011, 09:29:01 PM
Not as good as..

A DRAMATIC TOURN OF EVENTSS

 :neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 02, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
Not as good as..

FABLES OF THE SLEEPLESS EMPIRE

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 02, 2011, 09:41:41 PM
Album of the year?

It is.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 02, 2011, 10:05:33 PM
Not as good as..

FABLES OF THE SLEEPLESS EMPIRE

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
what was the first song released (on YouTube?) before the album came out?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 04, 2011, 10:53:50 AM
Remainder the Black Dog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
ok thanks. I finally got a chance to listen to GFD after buying it last Wednesday, and wanted to know because that song is what made me go "I'm going to get this album", as I never got his last solo album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 04, 2011, 11:34:44 AM
Get Insurgentes as well!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 04, 2011, 11:36:27 AM
I thought 'Deform', 'Postcard' and 'Like Dust' were untoppable tracks, but then I listened to 'Raider II'. This is SO Album of the Year. I don't care what comes out for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 11:52:33 AM
Get Insurgentes as well!

Based on reviews, I feel like I'd be better off getting another PT album (I only have In Absentia, Voyage 34, FOABP, and The Sky Moves Sideways)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 04, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
What reviews?
Personally I'd say Insurgentes blows all the PT albums out of the water, and I still love PT while saying that.
Insurgentes is just a masterpiece.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 11:54:18 AM
I thought 'Deform', 'Postcard' and 'Like Dust' were untoppable tracks, but then I listened to 'Raider II'. This is SO Album of the Year. I don't care what comes out for the rest of the year.

I admit, it's one of the best albums Ive heard from 2011. It makes me want to listen to King Crimson too. I can almost see this as the successor to King Crimson's last album way back in 2003.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 11:55:13 AM
What reviews?
Personally I'd say Insurgentes blows all the PT albums out of the water, and I still love PT while saying that.
Insurgentes is just a masterpiece.  :hefdaddy

Reviews on sites like Prog Archives where reviews are mixed, also there seems to be mixed feelings about it here at DTF too. Like how a lot of people are saying GFD is sooo much better than Insurgentes
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 04, 2011, 11:56:45 AM
Get Insurgentes as well!

Based on reviews, I feel like I'd be better off getting another PT album (I only have In Absentia, Voyage 34, FOABP, and The Sky Moves Sideways)

Oh I didn't realize you hadn't listened to all of PT yet. I'd say go for Deadwing, Lightbulb Sun, or Stupid Dream next. You really can't go wrong with them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
Get Insurgentes as well!

Based on reviews, I feel like I'd be better off getting another PT album (I only have In Absentia, Voyage 34, FOABP, and The Sky Moves Sideways)

Oh I didn't realize you hadn't listened to all of PT yet. I'd say go for Deadwing, Lightbulb Sun, or Stupid Dream next. You really can't go wrong with them.

Ive known about PT since 2005 when Deadwing came out. I sampled that and In Absentia back then, didn't like it. A friend got Voyage 34, and while it was cool and trippy, wasn't what I was looking for. I also sampled FOABP when it came out and nothing. When The Incident came out, I liked it, but never bought it, and got In Absentia instead (and eventually the other albums I have). I don't know why, but it took years for me to appreciate PT...

So I would say I know their stuff pretty well now, considering I'm more of a casual fan, and don't have all the albums, but Ive heard most of them.
I don't think Ive ever heard Stupid Dream...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 04, 2011, 12:36:45 PM
Lightbulb Sun / In Absentia
Deadwing / Stupid Dream
Grace for Drowning
Fear of a Blank Planet
Signify
The Indicent
Insurgentes


Is the ranking for me
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on October 04, 2011, 01:20:08 PM
Steven Wilson’s ‘Postcard’ has been confirmed as the first single to be taken from ‘Grace for Drowning! It was confirmed by Billy Reeves on the most recent Kscope Podcast. It will be available only as a digital download, and will include the album version, a live piano/vocal version plus two remixes, those being the North Atlantic Oscillation remix of ‘Postcard’ and the Necro Deathmort remix of ‘Index’. The single will be released on October 10th, next Monday!

(https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3670/51xwbr4eklss500.jpg) (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/51xwbr4eklss500.jpg/)

1. Postcard – 4:28
2. Postcard (Live Piano / Vocal Version) – 3:12
3. Postcard (North Atlantic Oscillation Remix) – 4:38
4. Index (Necro Deathmort Remix) – 5:01
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 04, 2011, 01:22:55 PM
SW = :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on October 04, 2011, 01:28:15 PM
What a beautiful cover.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: darkshade on October 04, 2011, 01:34:20 PM
ultimate facepalm meme
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 04, 2011, 02:59:28 PM
Postcard, No Part of Me, Deform and Index are my favourite tracks by far.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on October 04, 2011, 03:08:04 PM
Postcard, No Part of Me, Deform and Index are my favourite tracks by far.

Good selection.. think the last 2 of those are my favourites so far..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 04, 2011, 03:37:55 PM
SW = :facepalm:
That was my immediate reaction to seeing this in the album booklet. I looked all over the internet to find a picture of it so I could use it as a facepalm, but I couldn't find one. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 04, 2011, 03:49:22 PM
ultimate facepalm meme
My first thought when I saw it in the booklet  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 04, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0eL4r.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 04, 2011, 04:50:30 PM
Almost done with spinning Insurgentes.  I listened to GFD again yesterday for only the second time.  I think my opinion of it has grown since the first, but I don't see it surpassing Insurgentes yet. 

For those of you wondering how a SW fanboy like me could only listen to it twice: for some reason with his solo albums, I can't really bring myself to listen to them constantly for a few days.  I really need to be in the mood for it, as its very unique music. 

Also, I FINALLY got my GFD vinyl yesterday!  I am so excited to listen to it. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on October 05, 2011, 09:35:33 AM
On further listening, I think GFD is very, very good but not quite great. There are certainly a lot of great moments, but it doesn't all hang together quite as well as I've come to expect from SW's stuff. I personally really like the numerous ambient sections on it, but I can see how some would describe them as filler. Nonetheless, the production is obviously amazing and the great moments are really, really great. Not album of the year for me right now, although I'm sure it'll get further up that list in time. It's gonna be tough to beat WU LYF and Bon Iver, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 05, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
I think it's the best mixed album by Steven, easily. The heavy parts sound far more natural than his job on Orphaned Land or Fear/TI, and the dynamics are just so awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 05, 2011, 10:24:30 AM
My friend who's an audio engineer thinks 'Deadwing' sounds a bit better than 'Grace for Drowning'.

I agree and disagree with him. 'Deadwing' has a power to the production and a warmth that really suits PT's music. That's a pro. The con is that the master is a bit too loud maybe. 'Grace for Drowning' though, has dynamics that go through the roof, and a clarity and general quality of sounds that is masterful. I was afraid that SW would continue to put out records that sound like The Incident (which sounds really great too but a bit too clinical for my tastes). But I'm glad the new SW album sounds the way it does.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 05, 2011, 10:44:09 AM
I'd think the clinical production on TI is intentional.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on October 05, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
It certainly suits the irony of the title/whole album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 05, 2011, 10:51:37 AM
I don't think a "warmer" production would work at all really, apart from on TF, perhaps.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 05, 2011, 10:52:15 AM
How do most of you listen to the new album? All at once, take a break between the two CDs, or do the two discs at completely separate times and treat each as a different album?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 05, 2011, 10:55:09 AM
All the way through, which I don't really think is the best way to listen to it, as Bell De Jour kind of kills the momentum, but I havn't tried listening to them seperatley yet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 05, 2011, 11:31:14 AM
All together usually.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 05, 2011, 11:52:25 AM
All together, can't really get enough at the moment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 05, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
Stupid Dream
Insurgentes
Fear of a Blank Planet
Grace for Drowning
everything else
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sintheros on October 05, 2011, 12:23:25 PM
IA > SD > Fear > DW > GFD > everything else
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 05, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
How do most of you listen to the new album? All at once, take a break between the two CDs, or do the two discs at completely separate times and treat each as a different album?
i listened to both discs in a row the first time, but since then have kept them split. it's how SW recommends/intends and i think he was smart to do so, as it's a lot to take in one sitting, and that's a really momentum killer. plus, the two sides are just different enough to really warrant separate time to appreciate alone.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on October 05, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I wouldn't say I am dissapointed with GFD, as my expectations were quite low for it.

I'm just not blown away by anything SW has written on this album apart from Deform To Form a Star. This song in my opinion ranks up there amongst the other classics he has written.
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye is the other truly great song on this album. The outro is pure SW greatness :)

Songs like Track One - with its nonsensical, possibly improvised lyrics - really turn me off. This style of music that Steven has been moving towards the last few years just doesn't do anything for me. It reminds me too much of Radiohead (not that I dislike Radiohead). Its rather dissonant and ugly. I prefer SW when he writes lucsious and gorgeous music, when he writes beautiful melodies and songs. I appreciate that he can't just write how I want him to though and that a solo album should be whatever he wants it to be.

I have a paranoid view that SW is becoming really pretentous in his music, where he will just write zany shit and call it high art and therefore nobody can sit in judgement on it.

I did however love the new Blackfield album.  Aviv and SW gel so well together.  Aviv is such a brilliant songwriter and Steven is such a masterful producer and arranger.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 05, 2011, 09:10:19 PM
SW actually seems like one of the least pretentious prog musicians out there.  I mean, its not like SW does the improvised lyric thing all the time either, he did it once on Insurgentes and hasn't done it since. :P 

I can understand dislike of the noise/distortion aspect of SW's solo music though.  It took me a while to love Insurgentes because of that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 05, 2011, 09:16:48 PM
I really don't understand how people call SW or any of his music "pretentious." First of all, I fucking hate that word with a god damn passion. Second, his music comes across as very honest to me... I really don't see how people say that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on October 05, 2011, 09:31:23 PM
I really don't understand how people call SW or any of his music "pretentious." First of all, I fucking hate that word with a god damn passion. Second, his music comes across as very honest to me... I really don't see how people say that.

Well, for instance, calling a song Remainder the Black Dog - to me, that is an example of Steven Wilson being pretentious.

I guess it is unfair of any of us to label SW pretentious unless we know for sure what his true intentions are. I like that you see his music as very honest. In some instances i think you are right. And I believe his best work comes when he is being very honest with his music. But his current music and image come off as overtly pretentious in my view.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 05, 2011, 09:36:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xbfZS.jpg)
 :lol :heart




Also, the noise parts are some of my favorites on Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on October 05, 2011, 09:37:38 PM
Ha! Reminds me of the "weird shit" comment by SW in the Insurgentes film.

Anybody else sick of songs about Serial Killers yet?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2011, 09:45:43 PM
Track One is like three little short songs combined into one regular length song.  It definitely could have across as feeling unfinished, in the sense of wishing he had let each idea blossom into its own song instead of combining three ideas into one four minute song, but I never get that feeling listening to it.  That is a good thing. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2011, 11:47:07 PM
"Pretentious" is a tricky word.
I think there's a line that every 'mastermind' such as Steven Wilson, Mikael Åkerfeldt or Daniel Gildenlöw (just to take some examples) has to balance, which can often come very close to being "pretentious".
I'm not saying that Steven Wilson is the most pretentious artist, BUT I think that it's a quality that can apply to almost all musicians who write as much as SW do, and I think it's pretty naturally to be close to that line, but I don't think he has crossed it at all to be honest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sintheros on October 06, 2011, 12:33:52 AM
Daniel Gildenlöw

You'd be hard pressed to argue that he isn't, as much as I love his work.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 06, 2011, 04:54:22 AM
First time I listened to the album full-way through, Track One's doom-ey section came on and so did I, for the entire duration. It's a section that needs to be in that exact spot on the album, regardless of where it is in the song, how it fits in the song, etc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 06, 2011, 05:46:53 AM
Daniel Gildenlöw

You'd be hard pressed to argue that he isn't, as much as I love his work.

Well, with 'mastermind' I don't only mention him because I like his work, but just look at the amount of music he has done, and been involved with.
Another example, while I don't have gotten fully into him yet, the same could be said about a person like Devin Townsend.
Or Casey in The Dear Hunter, musicians who just keep sprouting out music, and being very productive, and mostly getting praise for it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on October 06, 2011, 06:10:26 AM
Deform to Form a Star is definitely in the top 3 songs SW has ever recorded for me. It hits me on the same level that Trains and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here hit me, and I just love it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on October 06, 2011, 09:17:18 AM
Deform to Form a Star is definitely in the top 3 songs SW has ever recorded for me. It hits me on the same level that Trains and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here hit me, and I just love it.

Bold statement indeed. It's definitely my favourite SW non PT song, and could end up being right up there, time will tell.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 06, 2011, 09:18:11 AM
Postcard, Raider II, Deform and Like Dust are all contenders for my top 20 fav Steven Wilson songs
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on October 06, 2011, 10:11:57 AM
the end of Track One is possibly the most beautiful thing to grace my ears this year.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on October 06, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
the end of Track One is possibly the most beautiful thing to grace my ears this year.

This. I got massive chills when I heard that section on the 5.1 blu-ray mix for the first time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2011, 12:14:24 PM
Grace for Downing is definitely way too awesome.  I am addicted to it.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on October 10, 2011, 12:33:10 PM
Sigh. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? I bought both Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning and listened to them back to back.

...Both are really bland, honestly. Most of it just came off as really atmospheric music that didn't really go anywhere. Granted, I like "Harmony Korine" and "Deform To Form A Star", but the rest is barely even memorable. Hopefully it'll grow on me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on October 10, 2011, 03:24:25 PM
Insurgents really grew on me, Grace hasn't at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 10, 2011, 03:30:41 PM
Sigh. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? I bought both Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning and listened to them back to back.

...Both are really bland, honestly. Most of it just came off as really atmospheric music that didn't really go anywhere. Granted, I like "Harmony Korine" and "Deform To Form A Star", but the rest is barely even memorable. Hopefully it'll grow on me.

As much as I love this album, the instrumental parts don't really do much for me. Sectarian is really boring, and I'd like Raider II much more it was trimmed down. But still, SW cited King Crimson as a major influence on this album in paticular, so I suppose it's to be expected.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 10, 2011, 03:48:37 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
 
EDIT: And Ryan, feel free to replace the word "pretentious" with any of the following words:
 
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Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 10, 2011, 03:53:03 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.

...isn't that innovation? Creating things that are new?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 10, 2011, 04:11:50 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
 
EDIT: And Ryan, feel free to replace the word "pretentious" with any of the following words:
 
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You can't just take that word out and replace it with something from thesaurus.com. The reason I hate the word is people use it as a catch for all things that they don't like, and that's basically what you just did.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 10, 2011, 04:14:46 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
 
EDIT: And Ryan, feel free to replace the word "pretentious" with any of the following words:
 
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You can't just take that word out and replace it with something from thesaurus.com. The reason I hate the word is people use it as a catch for all things that they don't like, and that's basically what you just did.
I don't like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Tallest Man on Earth, or Lady Gaga, but I don't think they are pretentious.  And there are things I like that are pretentious, like lots of SW's stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 10, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.

...isn't that innovation? Creating things that are new?

(repost - got last-post-on-the-page-syndrome)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 10, 2011, 04:21:37 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.

...isn't that innovation? Creating things that are new?

(repost - got last-post-on-the-page-syndrome)
Well, sure, but innovation =/= good.  Most new ideas are pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Metro on October 10, 2011, 04:24:07 PM
Been listening to Grace for Drowning all weekend.
If it's possible to be sexually attracted to an album, than I am.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 10, 2011, 04:29:55 PM
When I think of pretentious artists...I think of artists that seem to desperately avoid using any musical or lyrical cliches just because they are cliches.  That's the easiest way I can simplify my thoughts into words.  Steven Wilson and Daniel Gildenlow fit into that description, I think.  Wilson is not musically pretentious...but lyrically so, a bit....Gildenlow is, in my opinion, is as pretentious as you can go both musically and lyrically.  Everything has to be as far away from the norm as possible.
 
EDIT: And Ryan, feel free to replace the word "pretentious" with any of the following words:
 
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You can't just take that word out and replace it with something from thesaurus.com. The reason I hate the word is people use it as a catch for all things that they don't like, and that's basically what you just did.
I don't like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Tallest Man on Earth, or Lady Gaga, but I don't think they are pretentious.  And there are things I like that are pretentious, like lots of SW's stuff.

I'm not saying it's the only reason that people dislike something...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 10, 2011, 07:30:21 PM
I've listened to Disc 1 of Grace For Drowning a couple of times so far.

It's... alright I suppose. The heavy King Crimson and jazz influences are kinda cool, but overall, aside from Postcard, it's not grabbing me much.

I liked Insurgentes pretty much right away, but I'm gonna definitely give this some more time. SW is usually worth it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 10, 2011, 07:48:12 PM
The KC influences are really heavy through out this album, so if you aren't a fan of KC you probably won't like a big chunk of this record. But, personally I love it. The instrumental bit in Remainder is crazy, and I love those chord changes!  :metal

I was listening to this album on the backroads... in the middle of nowhere... in a convertible with the roof off yesterday. It was an awesome experience.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on October 10, 2011, 09:59:49 PM
The KC influences are really heavy through out this album, so if you aren't a fan of KC you probably won't like a big chunk of this record. But, personally I love it. The instrumental bit in Remainder is crazy, and I love those chord changes!  :metal

I was listening to this album on the backroads... in the middle of nowhere... in a convertible with the roof off yesterday. It was an awesome experience.  :hat
Hmmm, does that mean that your hair was blown in an open car?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 10, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
I hate the word pretentious in music as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 10, 2011, 11:53:05 PM
  Sectarian is really boring

*smacks forehead*

;)

I'd like Raider II much more it was trimmed down.

I can see that, but as is, it is a helluva journey, and I think its charm is how it flows and weaves in and out of sections, often teasing you into thinking the song is over, and then carrying on some more.



Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 11, 2011, 01:43:21 AM
I don't really care for King Crimson at all, but I still love Grace For Drowning.  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 11, 2011, 02:14:24 AM
I only own ITCOTCK by KC and I have heard Power to Believe and Construkction of Light (which is a pretty good album, really). Not a big fan at all, but I recognize the KC'ness of this album and it fits really well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 11, 2011, 05:19:11 AM
I love KC, and recently I've been listening to some of the albums from the Adrian Belew era a lot. Albums like Discipline, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair can be pure genius at times. Thing is, that's not the KC that's influencing SW, so that's too bad. Whatever it is, though, it's working excellently.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 11, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
Wow.


I really couldn't get into Insurgentes for a reason, but GfD i loved from the get-go and is still growing on me


Nothing but love  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 11, 2011, 01:34:10 PM
Insurgentes was all about taking a song and breaking it down. Grace For Drowning is about taking a song and building it up.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sintheros on October 11, 2011, 04:07:16 PM
BUILD
ME
UP

BREAK
ME
DOWN
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 12, 2011, 02:25:48 PM
Insurgentes was all about taking a song and breaking it down. Grace For Drowning is about taking a song and building it up.
Wow, that sums those albums up perfectly.  Nice, man!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 12, 2011, 02:54:48 PM
finally got the Newbury Comics deluxe preorder in the mail yesterday: what an amazing piece of art. the photography and concepts are absolutely stunning. i love how the imagery gradually gets creepier and creepier as you move forward through the pages, and those bizarre white "tendrils" of fabric that pop up everywhere (also gradually in creepier ways). the handwritten stuff fits as well, somehow — anyone catch the notes for his mixes of We're Here Because We're Here on one of the pages?

i'd love to see all his notes for an album. he's used bits in liner notes before (besides this one, i'm specifically thinking of the liner for Staircase Infinities, which consists solely of handwritten notes, lyrics and track sheets, etc.) but never in full. i want more than take sheets for the choirs and chord sequences, dammit ;)

musically, even the b-sides grew on me (save the "Raider II" demo, which is far more boring than the final version, especially the psychedelic riff section without Theo Travis' solos that drones on forever without adding anything — i suppose that's why SW changed it in the final song). for instance, "The Map" would fit well on the Deform to Form a Star disc, i think, and "Fluid Tap" on Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye.

i disliked "Remainder" greatly when they initially released the video (in the minority, i realize), but it grew on me greatly once i heard it on the album and focused on the sax solo. truly a beast, that song. as well, "Sectarian" took a while to grow on me.

my favourite tracks are, by far, "No Part of Me" and "Index," though there's nothing on the main discs that i dislike at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 12, 2011, 03:27:17 PM
Received my copy of the BluRay audio version of GfD today. Pretty pissed that my main BluRay player (the one that's hooked up to my surround sound) isn't compatible, so I listened to it in stereo using my PS3. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on October 12, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
Deform to Form a Star = the greatest thing ever
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 12, 2011, 11:19:39 PM
Fluid Tap gives me redwood.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 13, 2011, 03:50:34 AM
Received my copy of the BluRay audio version of GfD today. Pretty pissed that my main BluRay player (the one that's hooked up to my surround sound) isn't compatible, so I listened to it in stereo using my PS3. Great stuff.

Not compatible? wat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 13, 2011, 05:18:45 AM
Well SW said that the BluRay audio would work on most players, did he not?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 13, 2011, 11:38:57 AM
Received my copy of the BluRay audio version of GfD today. Pretty pissed that my main BluRay player (the one that's hooked up to my surround sound) isn't compatible, so I listened to it in stereo using my PS3. Great stuff.

Sounds like your Bluray player needs a firmware update. Do that and it should be fine
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 13, 2011, 04:20:23 PM
If SW and Kevin Moore did an album together, it would probably be so incredible and depressing that it tear the fabric of space-time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 13, 2011, 04:35:45 PM
But, it would probably also be the greatest album of all time. And MP would shit brix

Imagine if Kevin Moore was brought in to work on Storm Corrosion lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 13, 2011, 04:42:36 PM
I honestly think a SW/KM album would be the pinnacle of music. Something like Grace for Drowning or Insurgentes mixed with Graveyard Mountain Home...fuck.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 13, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
Is there a way for it to go terribly wrong?


Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 13, 2011, 04:45:13 PM
Honestly? No.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 13, 2011, 05:32:31 PM
Even the most logical potential failure, an album entirely composed of white noise and japanese employment training samples would turn out fantastic.

BTW I know this is off topic, but I was told that I should update my BluRay players firmware if I want to listen to GfD. I'm having problems with my samsung... it seems to connect to the internet and even says 'Ready for download' and 'Preparing for upgrade' but returns to the main menu before anything starts downloading. Any tips?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on October 13, 2011, 09:20:41 PM
Wilson/Moore/Akerfeldt
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 13, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
Imagine being stuck in an elevator with all three of them...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 13, 2011, 09:45:36 PM
 :lol


Also I am SO glad Portnoy is not part of Storm Corrosion. I am extremely excited for that record to come out!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 13, 2011, 11:42:04 PM
:lol


Also I am SO glad Portnoy is not part of Storm Corrosion. I am extremely excited for that record to come out!

bant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2011, 01:27:17 AM
Would have been interesting with Mikael and Steven doing a song like "Deform to Form a Star", and then for the chorus, Mike Portnoy pops in with "DAY AFTER DAY, NIGHT AFTER NIGHT"  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 14, 2011, 04:28:14 AM
Even the most logical potential failure, an album entirely composed of white noise and japanese employment training samples would turn out fantastic.

BTW I know this is off topic, but I was told that I should update my BluRay players firmware if I want to listen to GfD. I'm having problems with my samsung... it seems to connect to the internet and even says 'Ready for download' and 'Preparing for upgrade' but returns to the main menu before anything starts downloading. Any tips?

Can't you do it with a CD-R?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 14, 2011, 04:50:39 AM
Yeah, I'm about to do it with a USB stick. Once the firmware is updated, there shouldn't be any problems with connecting to the internet right?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 14, 2011, 08:45:23 AM
Excerpt from https://www.thisisfakediy.co.uk/articles/interviews/steven-wilson-theres-a-lot-of-mythmaking-going-on-these-days#.TpclonO0zJx

You’ve got a project with Opeth’s Mikael Akerfeldt bubbling away too, called Storm Corrosion. How’s that coming along?
I just finished it this week actually, and it’s coming out in April on Roadrunner Records. And it’s not what anyone’s expecting.

There were rumours of former Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy playing on it too?
The thing is, I’ve been planning a project with Mikael for years and years and years, and Mike [Portnoy] heard about it and wanted do drums, and we were like ‘Okay, great, he’s a great drummer and everything’, but in the end when we sat down and made the record, we kind of did something that didn’t even really have a role for a drummer. It’s quite an orchestral record, a lot of strings and woodwind, a lot of guitars and vocals of course, but the role of the drummer was quite minimal. If we’d done a progressive metal thing, then Mike would have been perfect for it, but in the end that’s not what either of us wanted to do.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 14, 2011, 08:47:00 AM
That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion.  Color me intrigued.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 14, 2011, 08:51:10 AM
Not much news there, but every time I see him mention Storm Corrosion, I just get more and more psyched about it.
Can't wait!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 14, 2011, 09:13:41 AM
That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion.  Color me intrigued.

This. The thought of MA and SW harmonizing with each other gives me such a large erection!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 14, 2011, 10:19:19 AM
Yeah, I'm about to do it with a USB stick. Once the firmware is updated, there shouldn't be any problems with connecting to the internet right?

No idea.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 14, 2011, 02:06:17 PM
That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion.  Color me intrigued.

This. The thought of MA and SW harmonizing with each other gives me such a large erection!
like on "Shesmovedon" 2005 and several Opeth records? ;)

(it does sound amazing though. glad i get some time to save up for whatever deluxe package they're inevitably releasing!)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 14, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
That is a very interesting description for Storm Corrosion.  Color me intrigued.

This. The thought of MA and SW harmonizing with each other gives me such a large erection!
like on "Shesmovedon" 2005 and several Opeth records? ;)

(it does sound amazing though. glad i get some time to save up for whatever deluxe package they're inevitably releasing!)

YES!

Also I just watched the video for Remainder the Black Dog high. The middle scene in the woods was one of the most intense things I have experienced.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 14, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
I'm in love with the new album.  So lush & sparse.  I love how he lets the songs breath.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 15, 2011, 01:19:29 PM
Tell you what: the next time you have to drive at least 20 minutes by yourself late at night when it is all dark out, crank Raider II up to the max and enjoy.  It is just...wow. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 15, 2011, 03:52:33 PM
Tell you what: the next time you have to drive at least 20 minutes by yourself late at night when it is all dark out, crank Raider II up to the max and enjoy.  It is just...wow. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

We just went on a long drive today leaf peeping and the new album was great to listen to in those long winding, hilly back roads.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 15, 2011, 06:42:23 PM
Only thing that bugs me about GFD is that Steven Wilson didn't redo Home In Negative, when I'm pretty sure he said that earlier version was a rough demo and he was planning on doing more on it. But it's the same exact version on GFD.  :-\

Shame cause it's one of my all time favorite SW songs, and I was kind of hoping he'd taken advantage of the actual choir he used on the main album instead of the crappy little patch.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RandalGraves on October 16, 2011, 05:47:19 PM
To be honest, I'm surprised at all the praise Raider II is getting.  I hate to say it, but for me it's easily the worst song Steven Wilson has put out (talking strictly solo stuff here).  Never have 23 minutes felt so long to me.  It takes too much time to go absolutely nowhere.  There's a cool moment that crops up every now and again, but it is a freaking chore to get through.  I prefer the demo, if only because it has that cool riff found in Raider Acceleration, but I can do without them both.  If Raider II was a very young, malnourished little girl . . . I'd punch her in the face.

I'm sorry, had to vent.  Curious if anyone else here doesn't care for it though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 16, 2011, 05:53:04 PM
To be honest, I'm surprised at all the praise Raider II is getting.  I hate to say it, but for me it's easily the worst song Steven Wilson has put out (talking strictly solo stuff here).  Never have 23 minutes felt so long to me.  It takes too much time to go absolutely nowhere.  There's a cool moment that crops up every now and again, but it is a freaking chore to get through.  I prefer the demo, if only because it has that cool riff found in Raider Acceleration, but I can do without them both.  If Raider II was a very young, malnourished little girl . . . I'd punch her in the face.

I'm sorry, had to vent.  Curious if anyone else here doesn't care for it though.

To me, Raider II is a compressed sum-up of the entire album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 16, 2011, 06:38:33 PM
it took me a while to warm up to "Raider II." it's not my favourite song on the record but i don't find it particularly boring; just takes some serious dedication in the right mood (thankfully, a mood created on the Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye disc). once the song really takes off (the first time it gets loud), i'm usually hooked in for the whole ride.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 17, 2011, 02:32:03 AM
Raider II is probably my third or fourth favorite song on the whole thing, just such a beast.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on October 17, 2011, 04:09:12 AM
Raider II has seriously grown on me. Found it hard to concentrate all the way through to begin with, but digging it now..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on October 17, 2011, 09:00:18 AM
Its not the type of song that you can listen to all willy nilly, you have to be in the right mood and have decent-good speakers/headphones to truly appreciate what's going on
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 17, 2011, 11:31:20 AM
Yeah, I actually just listened to it with headphones for the first time and :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on October 17, 2011, 03:44:20 PM
yeah I spun GFD briefly and was like "it's ok, a couple songs seem good but meh", although I knew I needed to give it a better listen.
So today while doing homework at school, I popped in the ol' headphones and turned it on and I was like, "you know, I'm really enjoying this."

So I imagine in a couple more listens I'll be drooling all over my keyboard when I turn it on. I'm also starting to like Deadwing a lot more (after having listened exclusively to LB, IA and FOABP).


WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE TO ME
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 17, 2011, 03:46:11 PM
WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS DONE TO ME

Made you right.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 18, 2011, 07:38:45 PM
the official Steven Wilson iPhone app, launched today, features the debut of "Cut Ribbon," recorded for Grace For Drowning but left off the bonus selections. it's the same song (often misnamed "Wet Ribbon") from the Out Absentia bootleg of IA demos, intended for the project with Mikael Åkerfeldt before it became whatever Storm Corrosion is.

recording quality is obviously fantastic compared to the demo, as is the vocal layering for the choruses. guitar sound is very Insurgentes, and it definitely sounds exactly like "Futile"-esque Gavin Harrison drumming. i hope SW throws it on his SoundCloud at some point, i'd like to be able to keep it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 18, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
It took me a while (needed to get used to having to wake up earlier than 1PM again :p) but today I'll finally listen to Grace For Drowning. Definitely looking forward to listening with the photo album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 19, 2011, 12:17:12 AM
Enjoy! It's one of his finest albums imo.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 19, 2011, 04:19:33 AM
the official Steven Wilson iPhone app, launched today, features the debut of "Cut Ribbon," recorded for Grace For Drowning but left off the bonus selections. it's the same song (often misnamed "Wet Ribbon") from the Out Absentia bootleg of IA demos, intended for the project with Mikael Åkerfeldt before it became whatever Storm Corrosion is.

recording quality is obviously fantastic compared to the demo, as is the vocal layering for the choruses. guitar sound is very Insurgentes, and it definitely sounds exactly like "Futile"-esque Gavin Harrison drumming. i hope SW throws it on his SoundCloud at some point, i'd like to be able to keep it.

I really want to hear this now - I hope the android version comes out soon, or it's posted on his soundcloud.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on October 19, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that he has an iphone app? :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 19, 2011, 07:09:31 AM
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that he has an iphone app? :lol

Yeah I thought about that too. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 19, 2011, 07:32:54 AM
ALL THIS ARTWORK. I DONT KNOW WHAT TO PUT AS MY WALLPAPER.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 19, 2011, 08:34:12 AM
Anyone else find it kind of ironic that he has an iphone app? :lol

Yeah I thought about that too. :lol

 :lol Honestly, the idea of an app for ANY band seems pretty stupid to me. Don't we already have 100 other ways of getting info and news on bands, do we really need an individual app for each one?

I really wanna hear the track though!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Banny on October 19, 2011, 09:38:43 AM
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 19, 2011, 09:45:38 AM
Seriously, all dat artwork.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 19, 2011, 10:37:59 AM
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.

That's cool I guess, but I don't see why that stuff isn't on a website instead since any phone that can run apps has access to the internet. It also allows people who don't have smart phones to enjoy the extras.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Banny on October 19, 2011, 11:51:42 AM
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.

That's cool I guess, but I don't see why that stuff isn't on a website instead since any phone that can run apps has access to the internet. It also allows people who don't have smart phones to enjoy the extras.

I don't disagree by any means, but to be honest the app is coded really well. Really beautiful and elegant to my mind. It certainly wasn't thrown together. He says he's also hoping to add live video clips from the tour there. That's not to say it's *groudbreaking* or anything along those lines, or necessarily the best way to (exclusively) distribute these things, but as  a SW fan I enjoy the app.  :metal

Some screenshots for those interested (click on thumbnail for full-res):

(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1061.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1061.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1062.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1062.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1063.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1063.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1064.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1064.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1065.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1065.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1066.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1066.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1067.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1067.png)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on October 19, 2011, 01:10:57 PM
I was surprised how well the app worked, and just overall how good it was. I was expecting an ugly bug-filled and rushed amateur mess but it's really great. And it says on the site that a Porcupine Tree app is coming soon. I'll be waiting for that one!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 19, 2011, 03:20:16 PM
He indirectly comments on this from within the app saying that the app is designed to be a companion to the albums that are officially released, offering user a chane to enjoy the visuals while on the go. He said he also hopes to use the app to distribute things that don't find homes for phsyical release.

That's cool I guess, but I don't see why that stuff isn't on a website instead since any phone that can run apps has access to the internet. It also allows people who don't have smart phones to enjoy the extras.

I don't disagree by any means, but to be honest the app is coded really well. Really beautiful and elegant to my mind. It certainly wasn't thrown together. He says he's also hoping to add live video clips from the tour there. That's not to say it's *groudbreaking* or anything along those lines, or necessarily the best way to (exclusively) distribute these things, but as  a SW fan I enjoy the app.  :metal

Some screenshots for those interested (click on thumbnail for full-res):

(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1061.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1061.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1062.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1062.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1063.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1063.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1064.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1064.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1065.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1065.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1066.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1066.png)(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/th_IMG_1067.png) (https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Bluekaffeebanny/IMG_1067.png)

Definitely, I wouldn't expect anything less from SW! ( :lol at the broken ipod on the app)

I'm probably getting an iphone in a month or so anyways (and if not I'll grab it when it comes on the android market), I just wish it wasn't *exclusively* a mobile app. But, it's free, so I guess I can't complain.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Banny on October 19, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
I was surprised how well the app worked, and just overall how good it was. I was expecting an ugly bug-filled and rushed amateur mess but it's really great. And it says on the site that a Porcupine Tree app is coming soon. I'll be waiting for that one!

This.
It's free and rather remarkable in quality and launch-content. Let's hope he keeps it up to date. I know I wouldn't want to work hard on something for a device I hate  :lol, but with a PT app coming soon it seems that he is invested in the idea. There's lots of Lasse Hollie material too which is both awesome and kinda fucked up. He promises videos from his solo tour once that begins. They had better be pro-cammed. That would be the bees knees.  :hat




BIG EDIT: Oh! I have a fun story. I wanted to see SW live on this tour, but it turns out that I'm on my own tour of eastern Canada with my band for the month of November. We leave November 2nd and return November 30th. As we pass through Ontario, we're spending a night off from the tour in Toronto. NOVEMBER MOTHERFUCKING 16th.   :metal My bandmates and I bought out tickets this morning. This is a real unexpected treat.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on October 19, 2011, 04:40:51 PM
Wow, that's actually a really interesting way of trying to solve/get around the whole "people don't appreciate the album art" thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on October 19, 2011, 08:40:37 PM
the official Steven Wilson iPhone app, launched today, features the debut of "Cut Ribbon," recorded for Grace For Drowning but left off the bonus selections. it's the same song (often misnamed "Wet Ribbon") from the Out Absentia bootleg of IA demos, intended for the project with Mikael Åkerfeldt before it became whatever Storm Corrosion is.

recording quality is obviously fantastic compared to the demo, as is the vocal layering for the choruses. guitar sound is very Insurgentes, and it definitely sounds exactly like "Futile"-esque Gavin Harrison drumming. i hope SW throws it on his SoundCloud at some point, i'd like to be able to keep it.

I really want to hear this now - I hope the android version comes out soon, or it's posted on his soundcloud.

Yup I want to hear this as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 20, 2011, 02:46:23 PM
After the first listen, all I can say is: it's beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 04:26:56 AM
No Part of Me is one of the most beautiful and incredible songs SW has ever created.

And the concert yesterday was amazing in every possible way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on October 22, 2011, 05:21:31 AM
No Part of Me is one of the most beautiful and incredible songs SW has ever created.

And the concert yesterday was amazing in every possible way.

Lucky thing. Looks like a cracking setlist  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 22, 2011, 05:30:46 AM
THREE MORE DAYS
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 05:44:03 AM
No Part of Me is one of the most beautiful and incredible songs SW has ever created.

And the concert yesterday was amazing in every possible way.

Lucky thing. Looks like a cracking setlist  :tup
Yep it was. I had been 90% sure they would open with Grace For Drowning/Sectarian, I also thought of other options (Harmony Korine for example), but what they actually did really caught me off guard. They did the intro much slower than on the album, so at first I was wondering what is this (Raider maybe or something?), but when the bass entered it was like "oh... right :biggrin:".

I loved everything they played. There was an amazing atmosphere, both the Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning songs were excellent, quite a lot of them turned out to be twice better than on the album (I think Index and Harmony Korine gained the most). Steven talked much less than on the PT concerts I've been to, but he was very kind as usual. :) And also, the band is just amazing. I hadn't heard of any of the musicians except Marco Minnemann and Theo Travis previously, but all of them were just brilliant. It really felt like "Steven Wilson and THE BAND", not "Steven Wilson with some guys helping out" ;)

On a more personal note... The concert helped Raider II to click properly with me, it had lots of atmosphere and energy. And as expected... No Part of Me was an incredible experience.

And it was the shortest two hours of my life. It passed so fast... :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 22, 2011, 09:30:10 AM
Saw the set list elsewhere; pretty darn stellar.  The only songs I kind of expected that he didn't play are Salvaging, Insurgentes and Track One, but hey, you can't play everything, right?  I read that the London show is rumored to be recorded for a DVD release, which would be sweet!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 09:33:27 AM
I also expected Salvaging and was quite surprised. I would say disappointed... if everything else wasn't so incredibly amazing.

Also, I had also thought there would be at least one "SW solo spot" like Insurgentes or Grace For Drowning, but it was much more band-oriented in general, there was nothing like that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 22, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
Looks like a cool setlist!

I'm with Kev, I'm surprised Insurgentes or Salvaging weren't played.  I think Collecting Space would have been fantastic as well, but whatever.  I'm going to be insanely jealous of anyone who gets to see him, regardless of what he plays.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 22, 2011, 02:26:11 PM
Btw what's the general opinion on No Part of Me?...

Read as "am I fucked again worshipping a song nobody else likes or is this an exception"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 22, 2011, 02:27:19 PM
One of my early favorites from GFD.  Great song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 22, 2011, 03:09:56 PM
Saw the set list elsewhere; pretty darn stellar.  The only songs I kind of expected that he didn't play are Salvaging, Insurgentes and Track One, but hey, you can't play everything, right?  I read that the London show is rumored to be recorded for a DVD release, which would be sweet!

I would love a DVD as I was too poor to get a ticket for the London show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2011, 04:36:26 PM
No Part of Me is really good, love it a lot.
Probably my 5th favorite or so from GFD, I'd probably rank it just below Deform to form a star, Like dust i have cleared from my eye, Raider II and Postcard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 23, 2011, 11:12:01 AM
I gotta say, I really love Sectarian. It's becoming one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 23, 2011, 11:14:53 AM
Hey guys its a Steven Wilson-related album have we ranked the songs yet?

Deform to Form a Star
Index
Postcard
No Part of Me
Remainder the Black Dog
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Track One
Sectarian
Raider II

But even Raider II is a good song.  I'm liking this album more and more, which I kinda expected, since its Steven Wilson.  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on October 23, 2011, 11:17:51 AM
Remainder the Black Dog (best song I've heard in recent years)
Deform to Form a Star
Sectarian
Index
Raider II
Postcard
Track One
No Part of Me
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye


BTW: I consider everything Postcard and above to be songs I love, and everything below songs I like.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 23, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Postcard
Deform to Form a Star
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Raider II
Track One
Index
Remainder The Black Dog
No Part Of Me
Sectarian
Grace for Drowning
Belle De Jour
Raider Prelude
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 12:38:42 PM
Deform to Form a Star
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Raider II
Postcard
No Part of Me
Index
Remainder of the Black Dog
Track One
Sectarian
Belle De Jour
Grace For Drowning
Raider Prelude

Something like that.
If some song is low, don't think much about it... I really love all of the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 23, 2011, 07:50:16 PM
Listening to the third disc for the first time, this is awesome stuff. Fluid Tap is great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 23, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
GfD is pretty much my Minecraft music these days... such a great album!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on October 23, 2011, 11:02:32 PM
Deform to Form a Star
Remainder The Black Dog
No Part Of Me
Sectarian
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Postcard
Raider II
Index
Grace for Drowning
Belle De Jour
Raider Prelude
Track One
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 24, 2011, 07:05:00 AM
Guys, this album...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 24, 2011, 08:17:01 AM
is AWESOME!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on October 24, 2011, 01:30:19 PM
AS TITS!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 24, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
A BUTCHER AND HIS PROSE.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on October 24, 2011, 02:15:23 PM
Hey guys its a Steven Wilson-related album have we ranked the songs yet?

Deform to Form a Star
Index
Postcard
No Part of Me
Remainder the Black Dog
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Track One
Sectarian
Raider II

But even Raider II is a good song.  I'm liking this album more and more, which I kinda expected, since its Steven Wilson.  :P
Agreed on Raider II. I dunno, that song just isn't really doing anything for me. I really don't like that weird part at 4 minutes. But that choir thing in the beginning part is sweet, sounds like it's out of Chrono Trigger. (edit: Totally forgot that that part is from Sectarian and used in Raider II) The album really started clicking with me last week, excluding a few songs.

My rankings so far:

Deform to Form a Star
Remainder The Black Dog
Postcard
No Part of Me
Sectarian
Track One
Belle de Jour
Index
Grace for Drowning
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
Raider II
Raider Prelude

Damn, can't wait til Thanksgiving break when I'll finally be able to see the deluxe edition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 24, 2011, 02:23:12 PM
I think two listens + the concert is by far not enough to do a proper ranking so I'll wait.

But for now the certain thing is No Part of Me is #1.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on October 24, 2011, 02:25:14 PM
I'd say any of the top 3 I have listed could be my favorite, Postcard is such a breathtaking and concise song that I could easily have it as #1.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 24, 2011, 07:30:54 PM
This is  my friend Matt's description of the album
Quote
    this would make the perfect soundtrack for a violent porn flick
    where like the girl is shackled to a cold stone wall and the guy is whipping her and pounding her senseless from behind

Quote
    this part is a time lapse shot of all the guys pummeling her from every direction

AND HE IS SO RIGHT

AlsoI'm setlist spoiler free so SFSAGSGS STOP GO AWAY SGSAHHHHH
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 24, 2011, 08:30:55 PM
Normally my curiosity is borderline dangerous, but this time I really DON'T want to know what inspired the creation of the above post.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on October 24, 2011, 08:39:42 PM
Boredom
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 24, 2011, 10:39:05 PM
That creepy keyboard and piano lead in Index sounds like something right out of a Stanley Kubrick film.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 24, 2011, 11:12:41 PM
GOING TO SEE HIM TODAY ASJNDONASVKUHVBNIWLCJKMLWKAMIP!!!!1!1!11!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on October 25, 2011, 04:12:32 AM
That creepy keyboard and piano lead in Index sounds like something right out of a Stanley Kubrick film.

And the video looks right out of a Lynch film..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on October 25, 2011, 05:00:18 AM
Wohoo ! Just got my ticket confirmed today for the London show !!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 25, 2011, 07:19:47 AM
Show's tonight! I'm freakin' psyched, I've avoided reading setlists etc., gonna be a big surprise~!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on October 25, 2011, 08:14:29 AM
Oh man everyone's talking about the shows, and he's not coming to Finland to I won't be able to see him! Damn, I wish he at least releases a live DVD or something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 25, 2011, 09:52:55 AM
Saw the setlist.  I'm surprised at the omission of a couple songs, but after making a playlist, it's great and flows beautifully.

For anyone that went, are there lots of stage props?  I was thinking it wouldn't be a traditional rock concert based on Wilson's earlier comment...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 26, 2011, 03:52:08 AM
SPOILERS, BEWARE

Well, there were two "out of ordinary" things in Kraków:
1) In the beginning, there was a kind of transparent curtain between the stage and the audience, and the projections were displayed on it, but you could see the band behind it. I don't know about the others but my thinking was "this is a really cool idea... but it creates a distance between the band and the audience a bit". However, during one of the heavier sections of Sectarian (which was fourth), it was dropped and everyone cheered :D then the projections were displayed normally on a screen in the back.
2) In the middle of Get All You Deserve, once the drums enter, SW disappeared from the stage for a moment and returned after a short time in... a gas mask like the one on the Insurgentes cover. :lol And the effect was really fucking awesome, with the whole heavy/noise riff slowly drowning out the drums and the keyboards, the animation on the screen looking like the end of the world and everything burning, and SW in the mask.

Other than that, it was quite normal; I'd just say it was a little bit darker and less "rocking" than PT concerts, SW spoke less and it had a different feel.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 26, 2011, 04:29:26 AM
SPOILERS, BEWARE

Well, there were two "out of ordinary" things in Kraków:
1) In the beginning, there was a kind of transparent curtain between the stage and the audience, and the projections were displayed on it, but you could see the band behind it. I don't know about the others but my thinking was "this is a really cool idea... but it creates a distance between the band and the audience a bit". However, during one of the heavier sections of Sectarian (which was fourth), it was dropped and everyone cheered :D then the projections were displayed normally on a screen in the back.
2) In the middle of Get All You Deserve, once the drums enter, SW disappeared from the stage for a moment and returned after a short time in... a gas mask like the one on the Insurgentes cover. :lol And the effect was really fucking awesome, with the whole heavy/noise riff slowly drowning out the drums and the keyboards, the animation on the screen looking like the end of the world and everything burning, and SW in the mask.

Other than that, it was quite normal; I'd just say it was a little bit darker and less "rocking" than PT concerts, SW spoke less and it had a different feel.
Had exactly the same there :D



Oh, and by the way, the concert was SAODIOWAJMOICNAKSJBVILUEWCNLKANKCJHNIOWASJVAJLCVNCMIXAKMXHNDSCJPCNIUHJEPEDJOIAJSHDUAWHSDJKKHWKAD
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 26, 2011, 04:57:16 AM
*WARNING CONTAINS (small) SPOILERS*

Yesterday's gig in Amsterdam was totally insane. Good sound, awesome show. Great setlist. Unbelievable musicians. Marco Minnemann made a very big impression, almost stole the show, damn.

Raider II was my personal highlight. The ending (which might seem a bit long in the album version) is very, very intense live. Songs like Abandoner and Get All You Deserve got their noise segments spiced up with amazing drumwork from Marco Minnemann. SW often improved on the studio takes, using his full belly voice for high notes instead of his falsetto. Made it all a bit more convincing in a live setting.

Other highlights: Finally hearing Harmony Korine live.. which is almost a song I can imagine PT doing live. Remainder the Black Dog was totally cool as well. Postcard. Like Dust I have cleared from my eye. Index. What's not actually.. Well he didn't play Insurgentes, which is by far my favorite SW song. Maybe even PT included. Maybe it doesn't fit in the band oriented setlist..

Well, I thought Deform to Form a Star was a tiny disappointment. It was the first song where you could really hear the vocal backing tracks being used, and they were so high in the mix that it seemed a bit.. too much. I'd prefer if SW and Beggs just sang those lines together, who cares if it sounds a bit smaller.

Regret of the night: Seeing Marco Minnemann, not going over to say hi. He really was my MPV and he seemed open to talk to anyone. Damn.



Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 26, 2011, 06:28:08 AM
Listening to the NSRGNTS RMX for the first time...damn son.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mizzl on October 26, 2011, 06:54:48 AM
Hey PixelDream, I was at the concert as well. I mighta seen ya then :P you going to Zoetermeer as well?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 26, 2011, 10:00:46 AM
Hey PixelDream, I was at the concert as well. I mighta seen ya then :P you going to Zoetermeer as well?

Maybe, if you saw a 24 y old dude cuddling all the time with a dark girl, that dude was me :P. We even heard behind us: 'Gosh, get a room you two'. We weren't doing that during the concert ofcourse. Really took the experience in, it was grand. We were standing up front, to the left of the stage.

After I got home I was convinced I had to get tickets for the Zoetermeer show as well, but now I've decided not to. Because of a very busy schedule. If I get loads of work done this week, AND there's still tickets, maybe I'll go. In any case have a great time dude.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Liberation on October 26, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
Listening to the NSRGNTS RMX for the first time...damn son.
It's very inconsistent. Some of them like the Harmony Korine remix aren't really interesting, but:
Dance Macabre Abandoner remix
SALVAGING REMIX BY PAT MASTELOTTO

Make it worth getting even if there was nothing else.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on October 26, 2011, 11:53:51 AM
So yup, I'm definitely a GFD fanboy now
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on October 26, 2011, 04:37:13 PM
I prefer the Danse Macabre remix to the original. True Story.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 28, 2011, 10:56:16 AM
I at the Music College I go to, it's mandatory for first-years (like me) to attend a South African choir for the first 2 months or so, then perform what they've learnt. At rehearsal today, we played (for the first time) with the band that we'll perform with on Tuesday at the concert. Throughout the rehearsal, the choir conductor introduced the musicians after their solos. At the end of the rehearsal, he hadn't introduced the drummer, so I asked the conductor his name. He said "Oh, Nic! Nic France! Go and say hello" and I think "didn't he play on Grace For Drowning?" I ask him, turns out he did. He said he went in for 4 or 5 sessions to lay down the drums, and didn't really know what he was doing.

A cool coincidence, I think.

TL;DR: I met Nic France (drummer on GFD) at music college today.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on October 28, 2011, 11:09:36 AM
that's pretty awesome!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on October 28, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 28, 2011, 11:30:36 AM
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?

Steve liked the idea of getting a jazz drummer to play rock songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on October 28, 2011, 11:33:10 AM
My slightly-long-term impressions on GFD: I still like it as much for ever, but it hasn't grown on me anywhere near as much as Insurgentes did. Then again, I preferred my first listen of GFD to Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 28, 2011, 12:32:10 PM
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?

Steve liked the idea of getting a jazz drummer to play rock songs.
Harrison is a jazz drummer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 28, 2011, 12:39:14 PM
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?

Probably because he wanted to see how a different drummer would handle his music.  Harrison is amazing on the skins, but that doesn't mean Wilson has to use him on every project.  Variety is the spice of life! :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on October 28, 2011, 01:15:00 PM
That's completely fine, I was just wondering why. Cool to hear.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on October 28, 2011, 01:19:51 PM
Index is my personal favorite off GfD. Such a great song. :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on October 28, 2011, 05:18:26 PM
I'm sorry if I missed discussion on it, but why did they pick him as a drummer instead of Harrison or Minnemann?

Steve liked the idea of getting a jazz drummer to play rock songs.
Harrison is a jazz drummer.

Correct, but he dabbles in Rock and Metal (PT and OSI). Steven wanted GFD to be handled to PURE jazz musicians (as in jazz is the main genre that they play in).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on October 28, 2011, 11:22:11 PM
I just bought Grace for Downing! I don't own Insurgentes yet. How many pairs of pants are required? :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 29, 2011, 12:54:23 AM
Just listen to it on the toilet dude.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sintheros on October 29, 2011, 02:45:13 AM
Dammit, I missed a ranking opporunity!

Deform to Form a Star
(quality gap)
Postcard
Index
No Part of Me
(quality gap)
Remainder the Black Dog
Raider II
Like Dust I Have Cleared from My Eye
Sectarian
(quality gap)
Track One
Grace for Drowning
Belle De Jour
Raider Prelude
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2011, 04:34:10 AM
Quality-gap, really?
You must hate the album.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on October 29, 2011, 04:37:55 AM
1. Deform to Form a Star 
2. Index 
3. Raider II

Past that it's all pretty close ignoring the shorter songs.. it's all stellar though
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sintheros on October 29, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
Quality-gap, really?
You must hate the album.  :lol

I like it a lot!

Everything has a quality gap, even In Absentia. I like certain songs or groups of songs much more than others.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on October 29, 2011, 05:11:23 PM
the only albums I like that have a quality gap are Falling Into Infinity and Systematic Chaos
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2011, 05:53:11 PM
Quality-gap, really?
You must hate the album.  :lol

I like it a lot!

Everything has a quality gap, even In Absentia. I like certain songs or groups of songs much more than others.

Well, In Absentia as a whole is a big quality gap beneath everything rest, so I feel you there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pirate on October 29, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on October 30, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
Me and one of my friends are planning on going to either the Nov 10 (Baltimore) or Nov 12 (Philadelphia) show and was wondering if anyone would like to carpool? I am in Ohio, and gas will be $70-80 total for me and my friend :sadpanda: and I would like to bring down that cost by splitting it between more people and maybe bring some fan(s) to the show if they can't justify the gas cost.
(Can also arrange pick up on the way to the concert and split gas from there.)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 31, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
WARNING SETLIST SPOILERS

Raider II is awesome, daring, heavy as hell, epic, beautiful. I definately see it as his signature composition right now. In any case it's the visit card of this album, no doubt. It encompasses everything about 'Grace for Drowning', except for the poppy tracks.

This album has a few pop tracks, but it's definately not the main thing. It's SW gone prog-jazz, and the results are amazing. The weird thing is, I'm not a big fan of KC'esque jazzy stuff, but combined with SW's pop/songwriting skills it's amazing.

'Like Dust I have Cleared from my Eye'. PERFECT ending track for the album. I love it even more than Deform and Postcard. Then again Postcard hit me really hard at the live concert.. I just don't dig the sterile production of the drums on that one. That's the only place on the record that sounds like Welcome to my DNA.. that record might be the worst sounding stuff SW has put out.

For the folks in the USA seeing SW live: You can't prepare yourself for this concert. I usually think of concerts as 'good', 'bad' or 'amazing', but this was just a whole new level of magic being created. I almost want to go as far as saying it beat the shit out of any Porcupine Tree gig I've seen, but I won't. Because it doesn't. It's different, and it's every bit as amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on November 01, 2011, 08:24:49 AM
Damn, I wish I didn't miss the show here in Florida but I had bigger priorities.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on November 01, 2011, 08:45:18 AM
Damn, I wish I didn't miss the show here in Florida but I had bigger priorities.

Isn't the concert next week?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Marvellous G on November 01, 2011, 11:54:39 AM
Regretting not seeing him at Shepherd's Bush now, the setlists look great this tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 01, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
Got my copy of GFD signed by Nic France (at that concert that I mentioned a little earlier in the thread) tonight. What a nice man
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on November 03, 2011, 11:43:49 AM
I thought Minneman was doing the tour drums?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 03, 2011, 01:00:25 PM
I thought Minneman was doing the tour drums?

Yeah he is, I didn't go to a SW concert. Check my posts from last page.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on November 03, 2011, 02:38:36 PM
Well that's just awesome :o

I like how he admitted he didn't know what he was doing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on November 03, 2011, 02:59:39 PM
Happy Birthday Steven  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on November 03, 2011, 05:57:03 PM
So apparently John Wesley is doing guitar on the US tour.

God. Fucking. Dammit.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: AcidLameLTE on November 03, 2011, 06:05:19 PM
At least he has good backing vocals...right? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: zxlkho on November 03, 2011, 06:22:55 PM
I really like his vocals, but he's not really a good guitar player at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 03, 2011, 06:24:48 PM
I've heard complaints about him "butchering" some guitar-solo's live and such, but apart from Dark Matter on Anesthetize, it's nothing that bothers me.
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on November 03, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.

You forgot Half-Light.

And dark matter really isn't that bad. at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 03, 2011, 09:52:32 PM
Yeah his vocals are really good, I think, but sometimes he's spotty, mostly on the ballady sing-along songs.  Beginning of Lazarus on Arriving Somewhere... he is WAY off.  I can think of other moments where I felt that way about his voice but can't remember exactly where.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 04, 2011, 03:04:50 AM
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.

You forgot Half-Light.

And dark matter really isn't that bad. at all.

I think the problem with the live-version of Dark Matter is that it's perfect the way it is on album, and they try to play it differently live (cudos for trying at least), except it doesn't sound nearly as good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on November 04, 2011, 06:52:55 AM
Good luck to John Wesley, he has under a week to learn all the parts and after what I saw at Shepherd's Bush......he's gonna need it !
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 04, 2011, 07:54:21 AM
Aw fuck.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 08, 2011, 08:29:42 PM
I didn't know Steven was remastering Thick as a Brick. Thought he was just doing Aqualung.

https://www.progrocks.co.uk/progrocks/Exclusive-Video/

^Play Ian Anderson video. I love Ian's remark near the end. Such a funny guy. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on November 09, 2011, 11:21:01 AM
I wasn't aware that it was the cool thing to do

(hating on a perfectly good guitar player)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 09, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
His vocals are ace as well, My Ashes on Anesthetize is awesome.

You forgot Half-Light.

And dark matter really isn't that bad. at all.

I didn't even notice there was a difference until someone said something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on November 09, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Damn, I wish I didn't miss the show here in Florida but I had bigger priorities.

Isn't the concert next week?

Oh fuck you were right, I had it marked down on my calender incorrectly FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 09, 2011, 06:22:44 PM
Just out of interest, where would you guys rank Steven's solo albums amongst the PT discography?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on November 09, 2011, 06:26:25 PM
High. Very fucking high.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on November 09, 2011, 06:27:33 PM
Probably a tad above the middle mark.

Both the albums are phenomenal, but  PT is PT. Bit too early to be sure, but they could go higher.

Also that really sucks to hear Reap.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 09, 2011, 06:27:50 PM
High. Very fucking high.
Yep.  Both SW albums are pretty much perfect and I can't find anything to complain about.  There's only a handful of PT albums I can say that about, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 09, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
Insurgentes is up with the best them.

Grace for.drowning is also up worth the best them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on November 09, 2011, 08:51:19 PM
High. Very fucking high.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on November 09, 2011, 09:07:29 PM
Both his solo albums are great, but they lack the input of Harrison, Edwin and Barbieri which makes PT so special. I was remined of this special chemistry when watching the Anaesthetize DVD again last night. What an amazing production.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 09, 2011, 09:50:35 PM
Thanks for the answers guys! :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 09, 2011, 11:58:55 PM
I don't know where I would rank them but they would do pretty well, I think. Tony told me tonight that he thinks GFD is the best SW-related album since Deadwing, which I may actually agree with (as much as I still love the stuff in between).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 01:36:21 AM
Just out of interest, where would you guys rank Steven's solo albums amongst the PT discography?

I'd rank them above all PT-albums, not sure yet if Insurgentes or GFD would be first, the latter has to sink in a bit.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 10, 2011, 03:29:22 AM
Interesting! I've only listened to GFD a couple times. I'll listen to it heaps more when exams are over :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 06:18:43 AM
SW has quite a few other albums I would rank equal/higher then my favorite PT-albums as well, Blackfield (the first album), Schoolyard Ghosts by No-Man and Ghosts on Magnetic Tape by Bass Communion comes to mind.

Nowadays, I very rarely mention Porcupine Tree among my favorite bands, because I love SW's other projects so much as well, so I mostly say "Steven Wilson - all projects included".  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 10, 2011, 06:22:34 AM
I haven't listened to any of his other projects. Whats Blackfield like music-wise?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 06:24:20 AM
I haven't listened to any of his other projects. Whats Blackfield like music-wise?

Blackfield is a bit like mellow Porcupine Tree, if you enjoy Stupid Dream and more of PT's poppy stuff, you should love Blackfield.
They might have slightly sadder lyrics, but the music is really beautiful and well crafted.
Not as progressive or heavy (at times as Pt can be), but more pop/rock, gorgeous melodies and so on.  :)

(when in the mood for it, I think that Blackfield can reach even higher highs then PT)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 10, 2011, 06:26:26 AM
They sound interesting! I'll check them out when I get the chance, thanks :) Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun are two of my fave PT albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 06:42:57 AM
If those are two of your favorite PT-albums, Blackfield might be for you. :)
I would recommend starting with the first album, then second and then the latest (Welcome to My DNA) probably, it's a great album run. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 10, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Grace for Downing is still waaaaaaaay too new to determine how truly great it really is, much less how it compares to the many uber awesome PT records.

Insurgentes wouldn't be top 5.  I dig it a lot, but I'd probably still put almost every PT album above it except for On the Sunday of Life and Up the Downstair.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 10, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
I haven't listened to any of his other projects. Whats Blackfield like music-wise?

Blackfield is a bit like mellow Porcupine Tree, if you enjoy Stupid Dream and more of PT's poppy stuff, you should love Blackfield.
They might have slightly sadder lyrics, but the music is really beautiful and well crafted.
Not as progressive or heavy (at times as Pt can be), but more pop/rock, gorgeous melodies and so on.  :)

(when in the mood for it, I think that Blackfield can reach even higher highs then PT)
I dunno, those are my favorite types of PT songs, but I don't really like BF that much.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 10, 2011, 12:23:06 PM
Maybe you have no soul?  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 10, 2011, 06:32:25 PM
If those are two of your favorite PT-albums, Blackfield might be for you. :)
I would recommend starting with the first album, then second and then the latest (Welcome to My DNA) probably, it's a great album run. :)
Alright, I will do, thanks!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on November 10, 2011, 11:19:56 PM
I mean, Insurgentes still grows on me each time I listen to it, and Grace for Drowning is awesome as well, but like Kev said its still very new, and SW solo albums take a while to really warm up to.  Still, I'd definitely place them both above OTSOL and TSMS.  Maaaaaaaaybe better Up the Downstair or Deadwing.  After that I think the PT catalogue is just so much better. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 12, 2011, 10:52:03 AM
Horrrrrryyyy shitttttt

(setlist/show spoilers)







OK, so the show was incredible. Zack and I  met up before hand and went bar hopping and then got to the venue around 7:30. The ticket said the show started at 8


Except it didn't start til 9:30. From 8:30-9:30 there was a "movie" being screened, which was the exact same thing as the menu from the blu-ray. That was kind of really dumb, but we were chatting with ZepDT and Mebert78 who are two really cool dudes so it was alllll righttttt. (also the very end of the movie was creepy and was an awesome way to start the show)

And now for the show... amazing. I really can't put into words how great it was. Steven was REALLY getting into the music. Even during parts where he wasn't playing, he was head banging and running around to all the guys and messing around. He didn't talk to the audience too much though. Deform to Form A Star had a little technical glitch where the microphone stopped working during the middle of the song, but it came back on for the coda. Raider II was stunning... he requested that people remain silent and not shout things out tduring the beginning and it gave me goose bumps. Hearing complete silence in a room with a few hundred people gave me goose bumps... and the jump into the main riff was perfectly executed. Get All You Deserve had Steven singing more powerfully and honestly then I think I have ever heard him before. Like Dust I Have Cleared was something I wasn't sure would transition well live, but they certainly proved me wrong. Also, I was skeptical of Wes coming in the line up so late, with so little practice, and... well, to be honest, with his chops. I love Wes but he tends to butcher some of the solos during PT songs (Anesthetize). However, I have nothing but praise for him for this show. He still changed the solos around, but they still sounded really cool. He kept the basic structures of the solos the same and just improvised the rest. He was doing a lot of interesting things too.... he got a great round of applause at the end of the show, which was well deserved.

God, the whole show was just amazing. The only complaint I have was even though they had the whole surround sound thing going, the mixing wasn't the best. The bass was WAY too high in the mix. I'm super tired and didn't get back home til 4 AM. I get to go see the show again tomorrow in Boston.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on November 12, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
Awesome! Anyone know if they are coming to Australia at all? :p
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 12, 2011, 10:23:12 PM
Posted on one of SW's statuses

(https://i.imgur.com/GtjNL.jpg)

Ah...  :lol That's kinda weird, cause I thought it was the consensus that Steven is kind awkward and a little bit distant from fans? It certainly seemed that way on the Insurgentes DVD. I've never met him though and I really wanted to go to the signing he did yesterday, but it was 8 hours before the show and I didn't wanna get to the city that earlier.  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 13, 2011, 12:11:58 AM
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 13, 2011, 12:33:08 AM
GIVE HIM A FIRM TUG FOR ME
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on November 13, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:

We're going to have a three way with him right?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 13, 2011, 04:56:22 AM
Posted on one of SW's statuses

(https://i.imgur.com/GtjNL.jpg)

Ah...  :lol That's kinda weird, cause I thought it was the consensus that Steven is kind awkward and a little bit distant from fans? It certainly seemed that way on the Insurgentes DVD. I've never met him though and I really wanted to go to the signing he did yesterday, but it was 8 hours before the show and I didn't wanna get to the city that earlier.  :P

I think in that part of the DVD, he was kinda tired of taking pictures and stuff. I've met him twice, and he's been really friendly and warm on both occasions, chatting and telling stories, etc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on November 13, 2011, 10:50:03 AM
Yeah he was really nice, and I had a nerdy audiophile loudness war / dynamic range chat with him :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 13, 2011, 11:09:29 AM
That's good to hear then.  :tup I really wish the signing he did in NY was at like 4 PM instead of noon, I guess he also played Deform to Form a Star and Postcard at the signing which is cool.

Anyone here ever meet SW outside of the venue? I'm considering hanging around the venue for a bit hoping to catch him on the way to the bus or something, but I've never tried that with any band before so I don't really know what to expect.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 13, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Anyone here ever meet SW outside of the venue? I'm considering hanging around the venue for a bit hoping to catch him on the way to the bus or something, but I've never tried that with any band before so I don't really know what to expect.

Yeah, I met him (and a lot of other artists) this way after a PT show once. Just hang around near the bus or with the other people who are waiting (and there will be a few), and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 13, 2011, 12:57:32 PM
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:

We're going to have a three way with him right?

Duh. Have you met him before? I am gonna get all nervous and not know what to say/do. I need you to be my fluffer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 13, 2011, 01:00:42 PM
Yeah he was really nice, and I had a nerdy audiophile loudness war / dynamic range chat with him :)
how did that go? what did he say?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on November 13, 2011, 01:26:41 PM
I am planning to attend the signing in Chicago :dangerwillrobinson:

We're going to have a three way with him right?

Duh. Have you met him before? I am gonna get all nervous and not know what to say/do. I need you to be my fluffer.

Jackie, I will fluff you like no other.


But no, I haven't met him either, so we might need to fluff each other. Or just him, I don't know.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 13, 2011, 01:33:02 PM
You better get pictures or I will consider the possibility that it didn't happen
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 13, 2011, 10:37:10 PM
There will be pics.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 13, 2011, 11:01:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NmFMf.jpg)
:caffeine:

Sadly didn't get to meet SW... waited out there for an hour and a half and saw everyone but him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 12:43:51 AM
That's really cool man! Maybe he was already in the bus.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 14, 2011, 08:03:22 AM
I think he might have went out to a bar. There was a group of like 5 of us chilling by the bus, and all of the guys came by at one point to dump stuff of in the bus. I know John and Nick went out to the bar, I saw Theo and Adam leave together too. I saw Marco at one point but I don't know where he went. I think Steven might have actually escaped out the front of the venue because I got there within 5 minutes after the show ended.

We waited until 11:45 or so when the manager (?) came out and told us that the band had left. Someone asked Theo if he knew where SW was and he said he didn't know. Maybe he was nailing some chick backstage.  :lol

Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous.  :P Just told them how awesome the show was. Nick also seemed nice but he didn't talk as much. Still, hung around the area and didn't seem like he was trying to escape from dealing with fans. Adam walked by a few times and didn't say a word and seemed kind of awkward and soft spoken.


But man, the sound was awesome at this show. I think the NY performance was all in all better, but the sound here was top notch.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 09:03:27 AM
Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous. 

Yeah man! when I met PT, John was the one who chatted the longest! I'm a guitar player too, so he told me about how he has to learn the guitar parts by ear, and what the hardest parts to learn from The Incident were. Very cool guy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on November 14, 2011, 09:14:09 AM
So this SW app is pretty damn awesome, especially for being free. I finally gave into the new era of technology and got an iPhone, which is actually pretty darn useful. But I find myself playing around with apps like SW's more than I actually use the everyday appliances like the map/GPS and such. Really cool to hear a new cut of Cut Ribbon, and the pictures are just so darn beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 09:37:40 AM
I want to hear Cut Ribbon so bad it's untrue
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 14, 2011, 10:48:19 AM
Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous. 

Yeah man! when I met PT, John was the one who chatted the longest! I'm a guitar player too, so he told me about how he has to learn the guitar parts by ear, and what the hardest parts to learn from The Incident were. Very cool guy.

That's awesome!  :tup I'm extremely impressed by how quickly and thoroughly prepared he was for this show given how little notice he had.

Curious as to what he said the hardest part from The Incident was?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
Anyways John was SUPER nice. He seemed willing to talk to people, but I didn't really have anything to say... was kind of nervous. 

Yeah man! when I met PT, John was the one who chatted the longest! I'm a guitar player too, so he told me about how he has to learn the guitar parts by ear, and what the hardest parts to learn from The Incident were. Very cool guy.

That's awesome!  :tup I'm extremely impressed by how quickly and thoroughly prepared he was for this show given how little notice he had.

Curious as to what he said the hardest part from The Incident was?

He said he found the high chords in Time Flies (3:11) to be very hard to learn. He had to use the 'slow down' function in Transcribe to learn them. He also said Octane Twisted was pretty hard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 14, 2011, 02:19:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FwpIt.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on November 14, 2011, 02:42:42 PM
BITCH STAY FROM SW HE'S MINE YOU CAN HAVE JOHN
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on November 14, 2011, 03:43:35 PM
Bumping into SW in a Hooters would is one of the most surreal things I can imagine.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 14, 2011, 05:44:41 PM
WTF

Seriously, how the FUCK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 14, 2011, 06:19:32 PM
 :rollin :rollin

SW never seemed like a Hooters kinda guy to me but I suppose he does have a penis.




I'm sorry to the queers out there. That was heterosexist.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 14, 2011, 06:59:43 PM
Oh Jackie, always jumping to the most heterosexist possibility.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 14, 2011, 07:07:52 PM
 :lol :lol


 :(

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on November 14, 2011, 07:18:46 PM
Insurgentes would rank pretty high but GFD would be very very low, probably placing 3rd from bottom (above TSMS and OTSOL)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on November 14, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
Insurgentes would rank pretty high but GFD would be very very low, probably placing 3rd from bottom (above TSMS and OTSOL)

You are high as a fucking kite!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 14, 2011, 08:02:05 PM
Insurgentes would rank pretty high but GFD would be very very low, probably placing 3rd from bottom (above TSMS and OTSOL)

You are high as a fucking kite!

On the contrary, I would say he is not high enough.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on November 20, 2011, 12:26:46 PM
Postcard has such depressing lyrics.

And I want cut ribbon, damn it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on November 21, 2011, 01:01:33 AM
So the chicago show was pretty much the most amazing thing ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 21, 2011, 01:21:37 AM
 :D :D

(https://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/310795_553909988610_82900795_31084029_1862657510_n.jpg)
(https://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/382660_553910008570_82900795_31084030_1963250824_n.jpg)

(https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/382924_553910043500_82900795_31084033_312730463_n.jpg)

(https://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/381880_553910053480_82900795_31084034_873148960_n.jpg)

(https://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/311761_553911041500_82900795_31084092_1645863257_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on November 21, 2011, 01:34:43 AM
Awesome. What's with these places he's at, though? Was he buying Wacky World Of Sports for Wii?  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on November 21, 2011, 02:41:56 AM
Heh oh man that is so bonerific. SO lucky.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 21, 2011, 04:18:28 AM
Jackie I want to have sex with your leg.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 21, 2011, 05:56:03 AM
Jackie I want to have sex with your leg.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on November 21, 2011, 06:39:52 AM
Jackie I want to have sex with your leg.

Jackie, let a pro show them how it's done.

Start at the leg boys but finnish up a bit further.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 21, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on November 21, 2011, 12:10:49 PM
Postcard has such depressing lyrics.

And I want cut ribbon, damn it.


but it's sooooooo beautiful
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 22, 2011, 10:38:44 PM
Looks like another solo tour is coming this spring:

https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-confirms-2012-solo-tour/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 23, 2011, 12:14:00 AM
Come to Gothenburg.. I would die.  :o
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 23, 2011, 12:28:16 AM
If he goes to CA that will be a good excuse for me to finally visit  :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 23, 2011, 11:00:21 AM
If he doesn't play the UK, I'm gonna rage. 1 UK show in 2 legs would not be cool
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 23, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
If it's comes anywhere on the west coast I'll be there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 24, 2011, 08:24:11 PM
In that case I hope he does not come to OR/WA so we can all meet in CA :p
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on November 24, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
yesssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 24, 2011, 08:33:04 PM
In that case I hope he does not come to OR/WA so we can all meet in CA :p

Zydar's avatar made this post so damned confusing.

And really, If you guys were having a meet up down there for a show then I might consider driving down there just to go to that show regardless.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 24, 2011, 10:18:58 PM
:lol, sorry. Perhaps I should change it back.

And YESSSS!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on November 26, 2011, 03:12:15 PM
I have to say that I think Remainder the Black Dog might be the best song SW has ever recorded. Raider II is also up there, but I don't feel I have fully appreciated that one yet. But holy shit live it was amazing  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on November 26, 2011, 04:32:21 PM
From Twitter:
'"News on the next leg of the tour soon..." -SW'

UK pls
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on November 26, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
From Twitter:
'"News on the next leg of the tour soon..." -SW'

UK pls

Jackie I hope you're ready for some action.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on November 26, 2011, 09:06:27 PM
Anyone heard Vapour trail lullaby from the app yet? I'm sure I've heard another version of it before, did it get recycled into a BF song?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on November 26, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
Anyone heard Vapour trail lullaby from the app yet? I'm sure I've heard another version of it before, did it get recycled into a BF song?

two, actually — the main part of the song became "Lullaby" by BF, while the end was reworked into "Twilight Coda" from Insurgentes. worked out pretty well for an In Absentia demo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 27, 2011, 01:13:49 AM
From Twitter:
'"News on the next leg of the tour soon..." -SW'

UK pls

Jackie I hope you're ready for some action.

 :rollin

So fuckin ready bro.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 27, 2011, 03:00:50 AM
Vapour Trail Lullaby is awesome, the Blackfield version has been one of my favorites for a long time, and this version is just spectacular as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on December 01, 2011, 05:36:39 PM
Time to lose another grammy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 03, 2011, 01:16:53 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on December 04, 2011, 10:00:37 AM
not sure why, but this track off the new The Girl With The Dragon Tatoo film reminds me of Steven Wilson. weird. https://youtu.be/LBXsJmF5eho
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 04, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
I definitely see the resemblence; very atmospheric, very open. I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music. This was really neat though. Something I'd like to drive down a dark, dank road whilst listening and toking. Mmm... DEER.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 04, 2011, 12:13:58 PM
 :lol

I don't really see the resemblance but it's not bad. I've always liked Reznor.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on December 04, 2011, 12:20:37 PM
I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.

(https://i.imgur.com/NkgZR.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 04, 2011, 12:36:28 PM
 :laugh: I was waiting for a response from you, sir. I dunno, maybe it's because every time I heard a song of his in middle-school I was usually getting pounded in the face by this huge, burly, rhinoceros-like scum of a child who was absolutely obsessed with Reznor; and I swear, every single time we'd get in a 'fight' (execution), he'd have one of his songs blaring on his CD player.  :rollin

But mostly I just don't identify with any of his songs, haven't made any connection. Which is weird because I do like his voice a lot at times, it's just the instruments that accompany it that I abhor. Then again I've only heard his mainstream hits and singles...waaaaaay too many times.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on December 04, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
I was usually getting pounded in the face by this huge, burly, rhinoceros-like scum of a child who was absolutely obsessed with Reznor

God dang it Ravenheart, you big burly rhinoceros
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on December 05, 2011, 11:11:58 AM
CUT RIBBON

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on December 05, 2011, 02:34:42 PM
CUT RIBBON

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson

Fucking FINALLY
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bodiesinflight on December 06, 2011, 07:28:56 AM
Blimey, 'tis a long time since I have posted here.

Hope everyone is well.

Anyway, I am here because I thought some of you may be interested in this:

I interviewed Steven Wilson last week. The interview is being put up in two parts. Here is part one, in which he talks about his solo material and touring.

https://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/169345/9 (https://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/169345/9)

There is a second part coming before the end of the week in which he talks about PT/No-Man/Storm Corrosion and more!

Enjoy everyone!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 06, 2011, 07:31:38 AM
I've missed you buddy!  :D
Hope everything is good with you, interesting interview as well.. can't wait for part 2. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on December 06, 2011, 01:45:54 PM
Hah, was coming here to post that. Guess I won't feel too bad for having been beat by the author. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on December 06, 2011, 02:00:04 PM
Looking forward to the next part of the interview! :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on December 06, 2011, 04:13:46 PM
Really great interview so far!  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 07, 2011, 12:59:20 AM
What they said :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 07, 2011, 09:14:48 AM
What they said :caffeine:

I has bone crotch.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ravenheart on December 07, 2011, 09:29:35 AM
I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.

(https://thecia.com.au/reviews/n/images/no-country-for-old-men-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on December 07, 2011, 09:33:53 AM
Reznor is AWESOME :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 07, 2011, 09:39:37 AM
Don't hate me because my ears are more advanced than all of yours!!

Nobutsrsly, tried to get into his music multiple times; really tried. But my friends have either given me his worst songs or it's just not for me. Like I said, I've been bombarded with his radio-play tracks so many god damn times that I really would love nothing more than to skull-fuck the man into oblivion at this point. So, y'know. Maybe I'll hear something of his that I haven't heard for the six-hundredth time and it'll click. Or not and I'll finally live my wicked awesome dream of being able to murder someone by sticking my penis in their brain through their eye socket.

Really, the first thing I can honestly say I've heard from him and said to myself "This is pretty neat!" is the pure ambiance/instrumental track for The Girl With The Big Tits.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on December 07, 2011, 09:42:47 AM
You should try listening to an actual album instead of songs here and there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on December 07, 2011, 09:46:26 AM
I'd say that interviewer was pretty...bland.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 07, 2011, 07:33:03 PM
I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.

(https://thecia.com.au/reviews/n/images/no-country-for-old-men-4.jpg)
:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 07, 2011, 08:47:08 PM
I'm surprised to see Reznor's name on there... I hate most of that man's music.

(https://thecia.com.au/reviews/n/images/no-country-for-old-men-4.jpg)
OH LOOK IT'S MY OLD AVATAR
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 08, 2011, 12:21:40 PM
I want to drink Mister Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 08, 2011, 11:02:41 PM
I want to drink his milkshake.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bodiesinflight on December 09, 2011, 12:45:44 PM
I've missed you buddy!  :D
Hope everything is good with you, interesting interview as well.. can't wait for part 2. :)

Haha yeah. Everything's good thanks. You?

I've been too busy to be on here tbh. Not been intentional.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bodiesinflight on December 09, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
https://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/169396/9 (https://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/169396/9)

Part 2   :)

ft. discussion of Porcupine Tree, No-Man, Storm Corrosion, Bass Communion and more!

Enjoy everyone!

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: 7StringedBeast on December 09, 2011, 12:59:03 PM
Not sure if this has been posted but it is an article about Steven Wilson's recording techniques and his views on recording and producing.  It's a good read.  I was happy to see that he makes records about the same way that I do.

https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/porcupinetree.htm
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 09, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
Just picked up Grace for Drowning. I am extremely excited.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 09, 2011, 05:06:35 PM
I've missed you buddy!  :D
Hope everything is good with you, interesting interview as well.. can't wait for part 2. :)

Haha yeah. Everything's good thanks. You?

I've been too busy to be on here tbh. Not been intentional.

Yeah it's good! :) great part 2 of the interview btw.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 09, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
Just picked up Grace for Drowning. I am extremely excited.

As you should be. That shit fucking rocks :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 09, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/porcupinetree.htm


Quote
I do everything using Logic TDM on a G5. I’m sure if I’d been born 10 years earlier I’d be more of an analogue guy, but I’ve learned to do things in the digital domain and feel comfortable that way. I love the flexibility of working on the computer, the total recall thing where you can work on a mix incrementally over a period of months.

I found this to be interesting. I wonder how many incomplete masterpieces he has hidden away, waiting to be completed..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on December 10, 2011, 05:32:09 AM
https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun10/articles/porcupinetree.htm


Quote
I do everything using Logic TDM on a G5. I’m sure if I’d been born 10 years earlier I’d be more of an analogue guy, but I’ve learned to do things in the digital domain and feel comfortable that way. I love the flexibility of working on the computer, the total recall thing where you can work on a mix incrementally over a period of months.

I found this to be interesting. I wonder how many incomplete masterpieces he has hidden away, waiting to be completed..

NO WAY as a production student, I find this kind of thing awesome, thank you!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 12, 2011, 07:34:36 PM
So I've had Grace for Drowning for less then 4 days now and have already listened to it 6 times.

Its just does not get old.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RandalGraves on December 12, 2011, 09:10:48 PM
So I've had Grace for Drowning for less then 4 days now and have already listened to it 6 times.

Its just does not get old.

Well I would hope that it would last AT LEAST 4 days.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 13, 2011, 07:18:56 AM
Grace for Drowning is both the best album of the year and the best thing SW's ever done.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ultimetalhead on December 13, 2011, 09:38:42 AM
Grace for Drowning is both the best album of the year and the best thing SW's ever done.
Wait, best thing he's ever done? Did it turn into Deadwing somewhere down the line?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 13, 2011, 10:58:07 AM
It's too soon to judge where I will rank Grace For Drowning overall, but right now I would say that I enjoy it more then all of PT's albums at least.
If it's better then Blackfield's debut, No-Man's Schoolyard Ghosts or Bass Communion's Ghosts on Magnetic Tape is too early to tell, GfD still has the "freshness" to it, so it wouldn't be weird if it fell down a bit with time.

I would also like to point out that as much as I love GfD, Cenotaph might be my favorite Steven Wilson release this year, so it really says a lot about it's quality... great year for Steven Wilson!  :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 13, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
1.) Grace for Drowning

2.) Fear of a Blank Planet

3.) Stupid Dream


To be honest Deadwing would probably be towards the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 13, 2011, 12:09:07 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2011, 12:18:51 PM
Trying to rank PT's album alone is nearly impossible (although LBS would number 1, and Deadwing would be way up there as well); trying to rate Grace for Downing against them is even more impossible.  All I know is that every PT album since The Sky Moves Sideways is (at worst) terrific, and so is Grace for Downing. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 13, 2011, 12:20:46 PM
I prefer Deadwing and Grace For Drowning over all the other PT/Steven Wilson releases (so far).
They're just godly.


I've honestly been listening to Deadwing in my car every day on the way to and from school for the last 3 months.  :|
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on December 13, 2011, 05:20:39 PM
To be honest Deadwing would probably be towards the bottom of the list.
i wouldn't place it too close to bottom, but i agree, just on a less extreme basis. it's mostly "Shallow" and "Halo" that write it off for me. i realize "Halo" is basically considered part of the 'classic PT' pantheon now (even by the band), but it's one of my least enjoyed tracks in the past decade of works. how those two made it on but "Half-Light" and "Mother and Child Divided" were left off flabberghasts me, especially considering SW agrees about HL.

with that said, several of my favourite PT tunes are on the record — "Arriving...", "Open Car", "The Start of Something Beautiful", and the title track are all fantastic, imo. it just... goes so wrong so fast with "Shallow" and "Halo" up front.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on December 13, 2011, 05:25:43 PM
it just... goes so wrong so fast with "Shallow" and "Halo" up front.

WTF
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 13, 2011, 05:26:28 PM
^ seriously

what version of Deadwing are you listening to?
the one I've got just all around fucking rocks
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 13, 2011, 07:32:57 PM
If there's any weak spot on Deadwing, then it's Lazarus.

Not sure how I feel about Grace For Drowning yet. I'm almost never in the mood to listen to it and when I do, I usually quit after the first disc is over. It's good, there are definitely parts I like, but it really strikes me as being like a mid to low tier King Crimson album: enjoyable while you're listening but ultimately not very memorable afterwards.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on December 13, 2011, 08:00:06 PM
I really like GFD, but it's got nothing on Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on December 14, 2011, 01:50:07 AM
If there's any weak spot on Deadwing, then it's Lazarus.

(https://captionsearch.com/pix/7vzal287ni.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 14, 2011, 03:59:31 AM
Well, Deadwang does have Shallow and Open Car, while they aren't bad in any way, they're not really 5/5 material for me.

As for GfD vs Insurgentes, I feel like the latter's strength is how good it is all the way through, but personally I think the best songs on GfD are slightly better then the best songs on Insurgentes, time will tell how I will feel about GfD in a year or so.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on December 14, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 14, 2011, 06:29:24 AM
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?

Probably
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 14, 2011, 06:35:00 AM
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?

Probably
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 14, 2011, 06:41:20 AM
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?

Probably
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 14, 2011, 07:03:59 AM
Although I do think the last track is kind of weak, especially after Raider II.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 14, 2011, 07:30:06 AM
Although I do think the last track is kind of weak, especially after Raider II.

Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye?
Yeah it's only the second best song on the album after Deform to Form a Star.  ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on December 14, 2011, 07:33:15 AM
Although I do think the last track is kind of weak, especially after Raider II.

Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye?
Yeah it's only the second best song on the album after Deform to Form a Star.  ???
Agreed!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 14, 2011, 07:45:35 AM
please, don't even try to rank them
they're a whole

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 14, 2011, 07:58:43 AM
I think Track One is my favourite.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on December 14, 2011, 08:44:06 AM
GFD is still an excellent album.  Still not sure if its better than Insurgentes.  They're two completely different animals.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on December 14, 2011, 09:54:40 AM
Here's a tough one: 10 favorite songs from SW's two solo albums thus far.  This was not easy (and would probably be different tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day...)

1. Remainder the Black Dog
2. Deform to Form a Star
3. Raider II
4. No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun
5. No Part of Me
6. Salvaging
7. Insurgentes
8. Sectarian
9. Abandoner
10. Veneno Para Las Hadas
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 14, 2011, 10:19:05 AM
Hard to rank, but the top would include Deform to Form a Star, Like Dust I Have Cleared from my Eye, Raider II, Postcard, Salvaging and No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun, in a shuffled order.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 14, 2011, 10:20:51 AM
I really love Postcard  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on December 14, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Don't feel too bad. I think both of the guy's solo albums are pretty weak. And I honestly wished I liked them, but every time I listen,it just becomes background music to whatever I'm doing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 14, 2011, 10:58:59 AM
Blasphemy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on December 14, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
Whenever I listen to Grace For Drowning, whatever I'm doing becomes background music to it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on December 14, 2011, 05:21:51 PM
1 Remainder the Black Dog
2 Raider II
3 No Part of Me
4 Abandoner
5 Index
6 Get All You Deserve
7 No Twilight
8 Track One
9 Harmony Korine
10 Insurgentes

Or something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 14, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?
I'm kinda disappointed, but I really need to listen to it more so it's really hard to say at this point.

It's definitely not as good as Insurgentes though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RandalGraves on December 14, 2011, 11:18:58 PM
Am I the only one who was disappointed with GfD?
I'm kinda disappointed, but I really need to listen to it more so it's really hard to say at this point.

It's definitely not as good as Insurgentes though.

Well, I think Raider II is boring as shit, and that Steven's solo work doesn't touch PT . . . but I still enjoy the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on December 27, 2011, 01:17:15 PM
https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-grace-for-drowning-live-album-to-be-released-in-early-2012/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 27, 2011, 02:24:47 PM
Damn, already? :caffeine:

Now when is he gonna announce the rest of that tour??
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on December 27, 2011, 03:49:16 PM
Awe sweet Jesus.  Can't wait for that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on December 27, 2011, 06:17:13 PM
 :-\ Hope we still get the full concert. If they include Raider II, that only means there will be 40-45 minutes of other songs... and if they don't include Raider II, I will ragequit.

But really, hoping they will eventually release one of the full shows because the setlist was absolutely incredible and it would be a shame to not have copies of any of the songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on December 27, 2011, 06:21:42 PM
Awesome! Can't wait.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 27, 2011, 06:49:45 PM
Can't wait for the live album. The live show was great so it'll be nice to have a live album to represent this tour. I hope he'll play another New York show on the second leg.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on December 27, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
:-\ Hope we still get the full concert. If they include Raider II, that only means there will be 40-45 minutes of other songs... and if they don't include Raider II, I will ragequit.

But really, hoping they will eventually release one of the full shows because the setlist was absolutely incredible and it would be a shame to not have copies of any of the songs.

He... is? He said they're doing a live bluray/dvd.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on December 27, 2011, 09:55:16 PM
Cannot wait for Deform to Form a Star live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PetrucciFan99 on December 28, 2011, 07:42:04 AM
Cannot wait for Deform to Form a Star live.

it. was. god.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on December 29, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
I got the Insurgentes documentary for Christmas. It was pretty good, but also this was the first time that SW kind of made me uncomfortable. Like he can be kind of weird at times. It was also the first time that I felt at odds with his sentiments about vinyl. Specifically when he starts getting mad about people listening to music on their phones.

I overall did like it and it revealed a bit more about his creativity and life. The man still is a genius. He just can be a bit odd at times
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on December 29, 2011, 02:40:03 PM
It sounds stupid, but it makes more "sense" after you watch it a few times. Once you know it's Part documentary and part art house film it becomes a lot more enjoyable. Plus the bit when he talks about his fear of having children makes me a sad Panda.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on December 29, 2011, 04:53:22 PM
I got the Insurgentes documentary for Christmas. It was pretty good, but also this was the first time that SW kind of made me uncomfortable. Like he can be kind of weird at times. It was also the first time that I felt at odds with his sentiments about vinyl. Specifically when he starts getting mad about people listening to music on their phones.

I overall did like it and it revealed a bit more about his creativity and life. The man still is a genius. He just can be a bit odd at times

SW is still pretty weird, but a lot of that imagery was from Lasse.

Also, I completely agree with him about vinyl and the integrity of artwork on albums, but I also understand why people put music on their phone/ipods. I love looking at album sleeves and booklets and stuff, but there are also times where I wanna listen to music while mobile. I think his main point, though, is that ipods/phones are replacing records and physical media, when really they should just compliment it.

Also, SW reconfirmed they are still gonna be releasing a blu ray later this year and that hes writing more solo material, so it looks like that live cd won't replace the video thankfully.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on December 29, 2011, 05:34:16 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I love vinyl too. Just check out the Rate My Haul Thread. I enjoy looking at the artwork and the feeling of it.

It makes more sense the way you put it Z. He does start saying that at the end, that he thinks it's helped music, but also hurt it. I can see and understand that.

And yeah, Acid, that part did make me sad too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on January 02, 2012, 04:54:57 AM
So guys, after Insurgentes semi-clicked for me a couple of months ago, today I decided to listen to it again and I'm glad to say it has fully clicked now. I listened to it three times in a row and I now believe it's better than Grace for Drowning. I'll try to get my hands on a 5.1 mix, I have the feeling I'm going to love this kind of music in surround format.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on January 02, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
So guys, after Insurgentes semi-clicked for me a couple of months ago, today I decided to listen to it again and I'm glad to say it has fully clicked now. I listened to it three times in a row and I now believe it's better than Grace for Drowning. I'll try to get my hands on a 5.1 mix, I have the feeling I'm going to love this kind of music in surround format.

The CD release for Insurgentes includes a DVD-A with the 5.1 Mix
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on January 02, 2012, 11:12:02 PM
Yeah, I already ordered it :D I hope it will arrive this week
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on January 03, 2012, 10:53:43 PM
My take on the release of this new live CD from the solo shows is that he needs more money in order to take his solo band back on the road for more shows. This invariably means post-poning the next phase of Porcupine Tree.

So, in theory, anyone who buys this new release is helping to fund the death of PT.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 03, 2012, 11:07:26 PM
My take on the release of this new live CD from the solo shows is that he needs more money in order to take his solo band back on the road for more shows. This invariably means post-poning the next phase of Porcupine Tree.

So, in theory, anyone who buys this new release is helping to fund the death of PT.  :biggrin:

*blinks*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PetrucciFan99 on January 04, 2012, 07:33:59 PM
wait, what new live cd?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on January 04, 2012, 07:41:33 PM
He's releasing a live cd at shows/through mail order showcasing some of the tracks from the european tour. He said it won't be the whole show though, but I guess eventually we will be getting a video release too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 04, 2012, 08:22:44 PM
I WANT WEST COAST TOUR DATES
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 06, 2012, 12:01:32 AM
srsly wtf
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 06, 2012, 12:12:11 AM
srsly wtf

^ Das wat um sayin' guuuurrl.

Eyes drunk.

No but srsly, I have to see this man before I die, and shit, man, that could be like, almost any die now. Either in PT, solo, or friggin' Blackfield, I care not; I only wish to dry hump him!!! IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK FOR!?!?

ed: I'm not even going to fucking correct that drunken typo cause it's the first one I've ever made in my entire perfect life.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 06, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 11, 2012, 08:26:44 PM
*PHOENIX DOWN*

The Map (song)  :heart :heart :heart

It's so simple but... man, do I love it; I love it so much I put THREE farken hearts derr. This and Home In Negative and I'm on Pluto.

Pshyeah, I know.

Oh and this especially, four for this one:
 :heart :heart :heart :heart
(https://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6839/photonc.png)

Pathetically, it hits home. "How does it feel without your drugs?" *Shiversweatshiversweat* This is actually one of my favorite songs in a long time, especially by Wilson. Lowered have mercy.

P.S. Anyone who says this man is overrated has hemorrhoids in their brain. Hookahbaiyou.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 11, 2012, 08:54:11 PM
P.P.S. I'm trying to get into more ambient music, and Bass Communion is right at the top of my list... What's a good album to start with?

ED: Farken hell, sorry for the double post! Clearly meant to click edit... Eyes tired...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Aramatheis on January 11, 2012, 08:59:47 PM
Stone him to death for his sins!

"He who hath double-posted shall be smited to the ground, smited with the very bones of the earth by his fellow man, none of whom shall show mercy."

it's in the bible
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 11, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
Ghosts on Magnetic Tape and Loss are probably the most accessible albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 11, 2012, 09:04:08 PM
Stone him to death for his sins!

"He who hath double-posted shall be smited to the ground, smited with the very bones of the earth by his fellow man, none of whom shall show mercy."

it's in the bible

 ;D Man, that sounded awkwardly badass, fwahaha. Bones of the earth... Nice. :lol

Ghosts on Magnetic Tape and Loss are probably the most accessible albums.

Coolio, I was thinking GoMT, but Loss shall be added. Thank you kindly being.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 12, 2012, 02:54:03 AM
Cenotaph might also be worth your time, it came out just a few months ago. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 12, 2012, 05:20:36 AM
Listening to GFD on Vinyl. I came.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 12, 2012, 09:22:31 AM
Cenotaph might also be worth your time, it came out just a few months ago. :)

 :tup

The Necro Deathmort remix of Index is pretty badass..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 12, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
The Necro Deathmort remix of Index is pretty badass..

WAT

Where is this? I need to hear it now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 12, 2012, 01:24:42 PM
Quote
I can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 12, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
Gief those European dates now. And there better be one for Gothenburg, otherwise I'll be sad. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 12, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
The Necro Deathmort remix of Index is pretty badass..

WAT

Where is this? I need to hear it now.

It's on the Postcard EP, I just bought it on iTunes since I've succumbed to the horde of iPhonerz finally. I think I still like the original better but given how much I love it, it's saying a lot that it's a toss up. I searched like Sherlock for a damn link to a stream but failed to find any oddly enough...

Quote
I can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...

YeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS! (https://www.happilythinnerafter.com/images/smilies/excited.gif) FINALLY! IT HAS BEGUN!!!! I know what my birthday present is going to be... Hoohoo! Ohhh man my penis is about to explode. Can't wait to see this. Can't. Wait. And a new very long piece? Eyes musically horny.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 12, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
Quote
I can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...

GOD DAMMIT MY LONDON FRIENDS ARE GOING TO BE HERE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 12, 2012, 04:18:57 PM
The Postcard EP is on Grooveshark, but the files won't play (for me, at least).  Maybe they were deactivated, but that wouldn't explain why the files are still there.  You might want to check it out, glaurung.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on January 12, 2012, 04:26:22 PM
OH MY FUCKING GOD STEVE

ANNOUNCE ANOTHER UK SHOW THAT ISN'T AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING WEEK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 13, 2012, 05:54:07 AM
Quote
I can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...

GOD DAMMIT MY LONDON FRIENDS ARE GOING TO BE HERE

Tell them to go home. I'm sure they'll understand.

Oh well, if a southern California meetup doesn't happen I'll just go to the Seattle show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jag66 on January 13, 2012, 06:16:46 AM
OH MY FUCKING GOD STEVE

ANNOUNCE ANOTHER UK SHOW THAT ISN'T AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING WEEK

Couldn't agree more  >:(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 13, 2012, 12:42:29 PM
I could go to the LA show maaayyyyybe but it's the first week of school...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on January 13, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
A new piece and most likely no northeastern dates?  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 13, 2012, 01:15:09 PM
Shit... What a bummer, seems like I'm the only one so far to get any kind of satisfaction out of this announcement. Lawlz...  :-\ Still excited but I'd be even more excited if some peeps from DTF were going to the Dallas show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Tyrias on January 13, 2012, 01:51:50 PM
I could go to the LA show maaayyyyybe but it's the first week of school...

If it's the first week of school, there should be no exams and I wouldn't want to miss a concert because I'm afraid I'll be tired at school the next day. Just go to bed earlier the next night and try to be reasonably attentive during lessons.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 13, 2012, 02:20:24 PM
Why wouldn't you go to the SF show Hayden?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 13, 2012, 03:35:18 PM
Why wouldn't you go to the SF show Hayden?
I have no car and don't know anyone wants to see SW around here who could help me out.  So I have no means of getting there.  With the LA show, it might be worth it to fly down for the weekend, where I could just borrow my parents' car.  Unless...is anyone here from around the Davis/Sacramento area that would possibly be able to give me a ride? ;D

Also, which show are you going to, Ian?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 13, 2012, 04:05:50 PM
Why wouldn't you go to the SF show Hayden?
I have no car and don't know anyone wants to see SW around here who could help me out.  So I have no means of getting there.  With the LA show, it might be worth it to fly down for the weekend, where I could just borrow my parents' car.  Unless...is anyone here from around the Davis/Sacramento area that would possibly be able to give me a ride? ;D

Ah I see.


Also, which show are you going to, Ian?

Quote
I can now confirm more shows in North / Central America. Please note that tickets are not on sale yet, but I'll post ticket links as soon as they are. Just to confirm the line up for this shows will be myself, Nick Beggs, Adam Holzman, Marco Minnemann, Theo Travis, and new guitar player Niko Tsonev - I plan to present one (very long) new piece, otherwise this is a continuation of the show presented on first leg of the GFD tour. 4th April - Showbox, Seattle / 6th April - Fillmore, San Francisco / 7th April - LA (venue to be confirmed) / 9th April - Dallas, House of Blues / 13th April - Metropolitan, Mexico City. South American and further European shows still to come...

GOD DAMMIT MY LONDON FRIENDS ARE GOING TO BE HERE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 13, 2012, 04:15:58 PM
That's silly, all Londoners must love Steven Wilson.  It just makes sense that way. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: orcus116 on January 15, 2012, 10:33:16 AM
First spin and I definitely think Insurgentes is miles better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 15, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
GFD was a definite grower for me. Insurgentes was too, but I wouldn't give up on it yet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 15, 2012, 10:56:04 AM
They're both fairly equal to me, but GfD is a grower. (as Insurgentes was)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 15, 2012, 11:39:55 AM
First spin and I definitely think Insurgentes is miles better.
Well, you can stop listening now, because you have the right opinion already. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 15, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
One thing that annoys me about GFD is that out of all the amazing visuals and artwork surrounding it, they went with a really lackluster cover.

There's nothing paticularly bad about it, but I'd have rathered something like this:

(https://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9889/lassehoilegracefordrown.png)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 15, 2012, 12:05:51 PM
Hard to say. I feel a bit the same with Insurgentes, while I have no problem with any of the two album's cover, there are better pictures in the booklets. (IMO)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 15, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
One thing that annoys me about GFD is that out of all the amazing visuals and artwork surrounding it, they went with a really lackluster cover.

There's nothing paticularly bad about it, but I'd have rathered something like this:
I have no problem with the picture but the colors and tone of the cover I'm not a fan of.  All that orange and yellow and black, yuck.  The insurgentes picture is fine, but what I like about it is the kind of washed-out, dreary palette that it has. Reminds me of a David Fincher movie.  Very moody and it fits the music very well, IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 15, 2012, 12:12:14 PM
I think the cover matches the sound of the album perfectly.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 15, 2012, 12:31:42 PM
I think the cover matches the sound of the album perfectly.
I wouldn't really argue that it does or doesn't (I don't have much of an opinion on that part really), just that I'm not a fan of it for the reasons I stated above.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on January 15, 2012, 01:48:00 PM
I really like the cover, a lot more than all the other artwork. Same thing with Insurgentes. (Though there are some pretty cool pictures in the Insurgentes booklet)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on January 15, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
I think I still like GFD more, but I have to say that GFD has kind of dulled down for me a bit. But idk, I haven't been in a good music mood lately so I'm hoping it's just because of that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PetrucciFan99 on January 15, 2012, 03:20:23 PM
insurgentes > gfd
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 15, 2012, 03:56:49 PM
GFD all the way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 15, 2012, 04:23:29 PM
GFD all the way.
^yesh.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on January 15, 2012, 06:52:16 PM
Hard to say. I feel a bit the same with Insurgentes, while I have no problem with any of the two album's cover, there are better pictures in the booklets. (IMO)
Yeah this.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 15, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Oh well, if a southern California meetup doesn't happen I'll just go to the Seattle show.

Nate, I am aiming to go to both Cali shows if possible so you should meet me and fuckin road trip that shit.

Guys can someone let me know via text/PM if there's any news about tickets going on sale? I've been kind of out of the internets loop lately  :|
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 17, 2012, 05:27:10 PM
Should we get a roll call going for a LA show meetup?  It sounds like a lot of you want to go, and I'm 80% sure I'm going, since it's a Saturday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 18, 2012, 06:15:51 AM
My GFD haul.

(https://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5958/img0502ln.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 18, 2012, 08:34:17 AM
You bought the limited edition, the vinyl, and the cd? That's dedication.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 18, 2012, 08:37:06 AM
I started with just the CD, then when I got my sound system set up I wanted to see what it sounded like on Vinyl. THEN I saw they had the Limited Edition back in stock on Burning Shed for £40-something, so I was like "I may as well" :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 18, 2012, 08:38:25 AM
I really, really hope they rerelease the Insurgentes book.  It's always about $300 on ebay.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 18, 2012, 08:42:23 AM
I don't think they will. It is a "limited edition" after all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on January 18, 2012, 09:24:54 AM
I really, really hope they rerelease the Insurgentes book.  It's always about $300 on ebay.

Steven thought real hard about repressing the book two years ago but in the end decided not too because (paraphrasing) it would be disingenuous to repress a "limited edition." I'll look up the quote later after class.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on January 18, 2012, 09:25:10 AM
I actually found the Insurgentes book late last year on Amazon from a NYC bookstore for $80.00  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Index on January 18, 2012, 10:43:06 AM
My GFD haul.

(https://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5958/img0502ln.jpg)

Awesome! Is the limited edition box set worth getting? I think there are still some copies left at Newburry Comics. All I have is the CD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 18, 2012, 11:07:51 AM
I'd say so, definatley. It has the album, a disc with bonus tracks, and a Blu Ray with all the music videos and a surround sound mix of the album, along with some very creepy animated menu screens. The artwork inside is all very high standard, same goes for the whole package. It's especially worth getting if they're not going to print any more, ala Insurgentes.

I'll post some more pics of it later/tomorrow for you if you want, Index?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 18, 2012, 11:17:05 AM
Awesome! Is the limited edition box set worth getting? I think there are still some copies left at Newburry Comics. All I have is the CD.

It's got all this: https://www.gracefordrowning.com/deluxe-edition.php

I really like it. I haven't listened to the album while looking at the art yet but there's a lot in there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 18, 2012, 11:34:33 AM
Yeah there's lots in there, although I was familiar with most of it from the iPhone app.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 18, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Home in Negative  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on January 18, 2012, 05:33:32 PM
It's still on sale oddly. I would buy it if I still had a job and wasn't now a poor student :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 18, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
How is it not sold out already? That's weird. Insurgentes sold out in just two weeks when it went on pre-order.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: orcus116 on January 18, 2012, 09:15:55 PM
Maybe because it's $90.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 18, 2012, 09:31:52 PM
How is it not sold out already? That's weird. Insurgentes sold out in just two weeks when it went on pre-order.

I'm assuming there's a lot more in stock than Insugentes's limited edition. When that sold out SW specifically said that he had no idea there would be the demand that there was for it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 19, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Okay so it looks like there's still no LA venue yet (unless I'm missing something) but SF tickets go on sale Sunday morning... and Dallas Friday; that's all I see.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2012, 02:21:48 AM
Is the special edition of GfD still available? o_O
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on January 19, 2012, 06:25:58 AM
Is the special edition of GfD still available? o_O

Yes. Reason why there are still copies left is that 5,000 copies were pressed for the Deluxe Edition of GFD.
Insurgentes had 3,000 of the Hard Book Edition with DVDA and 1,000 with the 4 10"
Also got to add in the fact that not everyone has a bluray player.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2012, 06:35:59 AM
I didn't have it when GfD came out but I have one now.
What does it cost? Might look into this, if I have the cash.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on January 19, 2012, 07:57:44 AM
I didn't have it when GfD came out but I have one now.
What does it cost? Might look into this, if I have the cash.

If you are in the US and are patient, you can get it from Newbury Comics with Media Mail Shipping for $100.98 but otherwise the best place to buy it from is here.  https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/product/65/3215/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 19, 2012, 12:35:25 PM
I know this isn't really the right place to do this, but I just made this song and I'd appreciate it if you gave it a listen :D It is semi SW related!

https://soundcloud.com/acid_fox/and-youre-still-gonna-buy-it
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 19, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
I bought the Postcard EP and it's totally worth it for the Index remix.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FretMuppet on January 20, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
Two new videos about Steven and his PRS guitars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVvflSguvE&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh-ak5qvIhg&feature=related

Hearing him say "This is Steven Wilson from Porcupine Tree" gives me hope lol

If what he played in the 2nd video is anything like what his future sound is, I'm fucking excited!  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 21, 2012, 11:19:43 AM
Oh sweet shisha, I might be going to the LA show!!! It'd be so awesome to meet some of you lil cooters. I cannot wait. I really hope I can make the trip. Just waiting for the venue to be confirmed and then I'mma jump on those tickets. SO excite.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 21, 2012, 11:52:05 AM
Let's get a list started.

LA Roll Call
H - probably going
TioJorge - probably going
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 21, 2012, 04:07:08 PM
Let's get a list started.

LA Roll Call
H - probably going
TioJorge - probably going
bout to crash- probably going

:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 21, 2012, 07:16:12 PM
I'm probably going to the Seattle show. My mom wants to go see it with me since she's a fan too and I doubt she wants to drive for 15 hours to me a bunch of people I know online. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 22, 2012, 03:20:29 AM
Bitch.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 22, 2012, 10:43:34 AM
Let's get a list started.

LA Roll Call
H - probably going
TioJorge - probably going
bout to crash- probably going

:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
:tup :caffeine: Lez go, peeps! It'd be so bonerific if this list was giant by the time the show comes around. Giant like a big ole' bean stalk that we can climb to see our very own private Steven Wilson show.

Speaking of beans... I've been searching for tickets for the LA show but haven't found any. I thought they were supposed to go on sale Saturday? IT'S, LIKE, SUNDAYBBQ! Given that the venue still isn't confirmed (as far as I know) I doubt they'd be up but I really want to jump on these as soon as they go on sale. Anyone know any info on tickets and/or beans?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 22, 2012, 12:51:49 PM
I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.

Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 22, 2012, 06:10:48 PM
I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.

Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
Wait, so is that a no for LA? :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 22, 2012, 06:11:49 PM
I'm pretty sure she's going to both.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 22, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
Most likely  :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 24, 2012, 01:10:39 AM
Sweet stuff! There's some creepy badass new lasse photos and news and music updates for the wilson iphone app if anyone uses it. The new Bass Comunion track gets me giddy for the show. Sounds like a good closer for a GFD concert. Ahhhh!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 24, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
that's not actually a new BC track. "Litany" has been around since 2009 (and has been one of the best releases ever since!).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 25, 2012, 10:37:36 AM
Ah, coolio. Only Bass Communion I've gotten a chance to listen to is Ghosts on Magnetic Tape, which is really fucking awesomely creepy and chilling (which I love). I need to listen to Cenotaph..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 25, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
That chord change when the first chorus begins in Index is pretty much the most orgasm inducing sound ever. Fuck.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 25, 2012, 04:43:23 PM
That chord change when the first chorus begins in Index is pretty much the most orgasm inducing sound ever. Fuck.

 :laugh: I think so too; in fact, it's like, 90% of the reason why I love the song so much. It's amazing. The lack of that specific sound also makes the live version severely worse. Well, I've only heard two live recordings but they aren't nearly as good just because when the change occurs it doesn't have that backing sound to it  :lol. It's almost there, I mean the chord change is obviously but it's that one...I guess it's a keyboard, that one keyboard sound that supports Steven's voice to make is sound so visceral and eerie makes a world of difference to create an atmosphere and it just doesn't quite get it done live. Which is odd because Steven's shows seem to be nothing but atmosphere.

Either way,  :heart that tiny sound that has such a huge impact.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 25, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
Actually that song exploded my mind when I saw it live.

Speaking of which, I don't know if Jackie or I mentioned it already, but for those of you who have the Arriving Somewhere DVD, it was filmed at the same place we saw SW in Chicago. And if you remember the FREEBIRD! guy from before they play Trains on the DVD, well, he was at the SW show, and he was ANNOYING AS FUCK. He kept yelling through the show, talking about how you can hear him on the DVD, and at multiple times yelled Freebird trying to get SW to say something. In the intro droniness stuff, he just kept complaining about how he didn't come here for "all this ambient experimental bullshit". YOURE AT A FUCKING STEVEN WILSON CONCERT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EXPECTING

Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 25, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
Wow that's annoying.  I just thought he was a jokester on that DVD.  He's lucky to be a part of PT history and shouldn't have felt the need to push it further.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 25, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
Really? Hmm.. I've just heard the couple live tracks that are on the SW iPhone app, so perhaps they were not as good. But I'm sure I wouldn't give a hoot about one sound in the beginning if I were actually at the concert, which I hopefully will be in a couple months :caffeine:. Ah yes, I just watched it a few weeks ago... Man, that's a bummer. Were I not afraid of being kicked out I'd dead leg him and once he's beneath the horde of people give him a reason to shut it. People like that can truly ruin entire shows; especially the attention whores like that asshole. Really gets my blood boiling. What a fool.

Speaking of, I truly hope for the sake of said person's livelihood that there aren't any of those types within arms reach when I'm at the concert, because I will srslybbq torture them to the heavenly tune of SW. I will NOT have my first SW concert ruined by some scrotum-gargler who wants to be heard. Shit, now I'm super worried this is going to happen.  :-X  :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 25, 2012, 10:37:15 PM
Wow that's annoying.  I just thought he was a jokester on that DVD.  He's lucky to be a part of PT history and shouldn't have felt the need to push it further.

Yeah seriously fuck that guy. I think someone eventually told him to STFU, right Ian??
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 25, 2012, 10:48:19 PM
Oh guys, looks like all the tickets are on sale now with no fucking announcements or anything WTF:

https://www.livenation.com/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&user_input=&q=steven+wilson&search.x=0&search.y=0

LA is still just a presale (until Friday)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 25, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
Yeah, there really hasn't been much promotion for this tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 25, 2012, 11:10:56 PM
Seriously. You'd think they'd make some kind of announcement on his website, FB, Twitter, SOMETHING. Unless I'm totally blind I'm not seeing anything.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on January 25, 2012, 11:17:39 PM
I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.

Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
   :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 25, 2012, 11:18:24 PM
 :yarr
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 25, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
No shit, what the hell? Thank you Jackie; that's crazy, I didn't hear a single word of them going on sale either. I better keep on this like white on rice cause I will really just rip my ballsack off if I miss this because there was no announcement and it just passed me by. Bookmarked that page and I'm ready freddy for those LA tickets. Both excited and nervous.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 25, 2012, 11:27:58 PM
Yeah, I didn't even know there was a venue let alone tickets :lol

And I would not worry about it selling out tbh... remember onsale time listed (10) is PST.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 25, 2012, 11:43:44 PM
I haven't heard anything about the LA tickets going on sale yet actually, which makes sense considering the lack of a venue. I have been checking pretty regularly though.

Just got my SF ticket :caffeine:
   :hat
I did NOT know you were a SW fan! That's awesome.

Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 26, 2012, 08:33:08 AM
Two shows in Sweden but none of them in Gothenburg, awww!
I really want to go, the closest would be to see him in Malmö, but it's on a Wednesday night, so the 3 hour-driving might result in some problem with school, or more specifically that I have to skip it that day.
I'm gonna do everything I can to go, but hopefully a Gothenburg date pops up soon, but I doubt it since 2 gigs in Sweden is quite a lot by SW-standards.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 26, 2012, 10:24:24 AM
If the only issue is that you'll be really tired at school the next day then what do you have to lose? It's a SW solo tour, do those happen often enough that you wouldn't want to go just because you wont get a good nights sleep the next day?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 26, 2012, 10:28:14 AM
If the only issue is that you'll be really tired at school the next day then what do you have to lose? It's a SW solo tour, do those happen often enough that you wouldn't want to go just because you wont get a good nights sleep the next day?

Yes, this; unless it's going to hinder your school efforts or you have an exam, something like that, then school can wait for SW! From what I've heard about this tour you won't regret a minute of it. Maybe a second. But definitely not a minute. Do it! Rebel!

Grrr I want those LA tickets... I'm checking them every few hours.  :lol
... :coolio :-[
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 26, 2012, 10:40:20 AM
Well, to be honest the first and only lesson I have on Thursdays are at 13.30, so I have plenty of time to sleep in.  :D
But I'll miss two lessons on Wednesday (since I have to take the day off in order to have time with the travel etc), but as long as none of those two lessons involve a test, I think I'll make it.
The tickets aren't even available yet it seems, so I'll see what they cost. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 26, 2012, 08:50:25 PM


Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?

Yeah, as far as I know... and fairly cheap IMO. I think LA is $35 with fees.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 26, 2012, 08:54:20 PM


Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?

Yeah, as far as I know... and fairly cheap IMO. I think LA is $35 with fees.

Holy hell, awesome. That means much merchandise will be bought! Awwwyeuuh. I have absolutely no SW merchandise so for one, I'm more than happy to pay the insanely overpriced tags; but it's also great knowing I can support the man, if indirectly.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 26, 2012, 11:01:04 PM
Woo! I didn't buy anything at the last show but my dad got me a SW hoodie for xmas that I've worn the shit out of already. And I need to remember to buy myself a ticket tomorrow when I have a break at work and internet access (unlikely to happen at the same time)  :|
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 26, 2012, 11:55:54 PM
Woo! I didn't buy anything at the last show but my dad got me a SW hoodie for xmas that I've worn the shit out of already. And I need to remember to buy myself a ticket tomorrow when I have a break at work and internet access (unlikely to happen at the same time)  :|

ILL REMIND YOU JACKIE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 27, 2012, 12:24:02 AM
Woo! I didn't buy anything at the last show but my dad got me a SW hoodie for xmas that I've worn the shit out of already. And I need to remember to buy myself a ticket tomorrow when I have a break at work and internet access (unlikely to happen at the same time)  :|

ILL REMIND YOU JACKIE

YOU SHOULD REMIND HER BY THROWING A ROCK AT HER WITH A STICKY NOTE ON IT THAT SAYS, "THE TICKETS ARE ON SALE, SAYS THIS ROCK. HONEY BADGER DON'T GIVE A SHIT."

While you're at it throw one at me yoo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 27, 2012, 12:28:02 AM
I would, but neither of you are in range of my throwing range.

For now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 27, 2012, 12:31:07 AM


Jackie, from past experience, was it all general admission?

Yeah, as far as I know... and fairly cheap IMO. I think LA is $35 with fees.

Holy hell, awesome. That means much merchandise will be bought! Awwwyeuuh. I have absolutely no SW merchandise so for one, I'm more than happy to pay the insanely overpriced tags; but it's also great knowing I can support the man, if indirectly.
That is awesome.  So, seeing as it's GE, do you both want to do an early meetup, then get to the venue early to get a good spot?


EDIT: That is, if you want to do a meetup, I respect your privacy if you're not into that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 27, 2012, 12:32:20 AM
God dammit I wish I could go to the LA show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 27, 2012, 12:33:13 AM
God dammit I wish I could go to the LA show.
:/

I mean, you could, right?  Do you have a very short window to see your London friends or something?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 27, 2012, 10:06:40 AM
Well yeah, they're only here for a week and unless they come visit again it'll be at least two years before I can make it over there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ryzee on January 27, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
Hmmm...HOB Sunset, eh?   Mayhaps I should cruise...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 27, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
Shit chyeah H, I'd love to meet up with my fellow DTFers. We'll definitely have to plan it out as the date gets closer, and WHERE THE HELL ARE MY LA TICKETS!?

*F5F5F5F5F5F5*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 27, 2012, 04:59:56 PM
Got mine :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 27, 2012, 05:05:15 PM
Where??? :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 27, 2012, 05:31:37 PM
Live nation  ???... it said they were going onsale at 10 PST and I had no problem buying one at around 12 Mountain...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 27, 2012, 05:49:23 PM
https://www.livenation.com/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&user_input=&q=steven+wilson&search.x=0&search.y=0

^ This link?  I'm still only seeing SF tickets!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 27, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
:lol, that link took me to tickets for all four shows. Try this?? https://www.livenation.com/event/09004838CD395106?artistid=1616063&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 28, 2012, 06:04:12 AM
I bought tickets today! :D
Will have to take time off from school on the Wednesday to have time to do the 2 ½-3 hour cardrive down, and maybe on the Thursday as well, to have some time to sleep in. But I've already looked at my schedule, and I don't have any important tests or anything that week, so it makes me excited!

Within the course of one month, I'll be seeing Pain of Salvation, Agalloch and Steven Wilson live. The two latter are two I never would have imagine to see here in Sweden (not SW's soloproject at least, PT normally comes here), and Agalloch playing here came like a lightning from a blue sky.
I can't possibly express how amazing March-April will be for me, but I guess you all can understand. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 28, 2012, 02:05:26 PM
Within the course of one month, I'll be seeing Pain of Salvation, Agalloch and Steven Wilson live.

FUCK
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 28, 2012, 02:07:01 PM
Got my tickets to the Seattle show today. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 28, 2012, 04:47:22 PM
:lol, that link took me to tickets for all four shows. Try this?? https://www.livenation.com/event/09004838CD395106?artistid=1616063&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1
I haven't bought a ticket yet. Do you expect this stuff to sell out? Do I need to jump on it? I still need to talk to my parents and figure out how I'm going to get there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 29, 2012, 08:21:02 AM
I'm not sure if anyone here has heard it or written it, but Steven Wilson is apparently working on his third solo album.
Shit is gonna be awesome. :caffeine:

Source:
https://www.hit-channel.com/sinenteuxeis/xenoi-kallitexnes/english-version/item/5394-steven-wilson-soloporcupine-treeblackfieldno-man
(interview, it's near the end)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 29, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
Hopefully it's nothing like GfD. I'd prefer he work on some new PT material.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 29, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
Hopefully it's nothing like GfD. I'd prefer he work on some new PT material.
Yeah, I agree, sort of.  I hope his next solo album is more Insurgentes-y than the semi-reheated King Crimson-lite of Grace For Drowning.  Don't get me wrong, I loves me some King Crimson, but if I want to listen to that 'type' of music, I'll listen to the real thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
YEEEUUUUHHHH! Awesome-fuckin'-blossom. Finally I get a link after hearing it from H and not believing him since I had no source ;D (sowwy dooder). Great news. I doubt it'll be GFD related on account of Wilson being so...um...Wilson. He never really has done anything samey, I don't think. Even in PT, each album has its own distinct feel and while there's only two solo albums so far, the two are quite different. I think it's safe to say it'll be something with its own vibe. That said, even if it is as experimental as GFD, I'm perfectly fine with that. But I am with you guys in that I'd like it to be something different entirely, but I won't be disappointed if its down the same path as GFD. Say GFD again. GFD.

As long as Wilson is passionate about what he's writing and playing, which you could definitely tell he was in GFD, then I'm all good. This is so bonderific. I wonder if his new 'insanely long' piece he'll be debuting on this leg of the tour will be related to the new album. Yaaaay! I, I, so excite. Awesome year for music already. Storm Corrosion, OSI, new Wilson album (hopefully out by year's end)... '12 may have just already passed up '11.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 29, 2012, 10:57:32 AM
I just hope it's as awesome as Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning.
While I'm not that big on 70's prog, the influences on GfD didn't bother me, and I love the album, Insurgentes is quite fascinating as well, though GfD has more of a "theme" or "flow", both albums are amazing though.

So yeah, no matter what it ends up being, I just hope its awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
I just read the actual interview and he straight-up says that it's different than the music on GFD, so...there you have it. Maybe a similar feel since it's the same band members he's touring with and all but it sounds like Wilson has made a conscious effort to make it different; wants it to be different. This is great news, I actually didn't want a new PT album. It'd be nice if there's one in the next couple years but I'm loving that Steven is loving his solo career right now. Gives him time to explore and to enjoy some freedom of creativity.

Also, I had no idea that Collapse The Light Into Earth was related to 9/11, or rather inspired by it. That's very interesting. Gives a new...pffthuurr...light to the song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 29, 2012, 11:07:17 AM
I agree... and didn't know that either!

I haven't bought a ticket yet. Do you expect this stuff to sell out? Do I need to jump on it? I still need to talk to my parents and figure out how I'm going to get there.

I don't think it will sell out, at least anytime soon, but it's something you still want to get on ASAP. No idea how big the venue is...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on January 29, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
Good interview, even if Wilson seemed a bit crabby and short with his answers :lol, although that could have been the translation or whatever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 11:15:22 AM
Good interview, even if Wilson seemed a bit crabby and short with his answers :lol, although that could have been the translation or whatever.

 :lol I noticed that as well, and yeah the translation wasn't exactly perfect. But... "...those are your words. Not mine." got me good. The interviewer did seem to be kissing his ass a bit too much (he was all up in that Wilson colon) and kind of up in his bidness. I didn't think Wilson was rude or anything but merely standing his ground as to not bend to an interviewer who seemed a bit too personal...

AWESOMEEDITOFSWEETS:
Got my LA tickets!!!! WOOOOOOTRZ!!! I am so enthralled, I can't wait. Best birthday present EVAR. I've never been in a House of Blues either, let alone in West Hollywood. I don't exactly understand the 'unreserved general admission' given that the seating chart for the place looks like it's...all specified seating. My tickets say Price level 1, unreserved general seating...I'm guessing it's the same for everyone? First come first seat, kinda thing? Either way. Got 'em in the bag and YAY.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 29, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
I'm curious.  For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson??  I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.'  It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 29, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
I've never listened to King Crimson.  Not on Grooveshark or Spotify, and I'm not bothering with Youtube.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 29, 2012, 02:12:25 PM
I'm curious.  For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson??  I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.'  It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.
you'd have to be deaf not to hear KC all over it! "Raider II" is especially just... "Lizard," really, but far darker and less... pastoral / minstrel-esque. i think i hear more Red than Larks' Tongues, but those records (with Starless and Bible Black) are basically exploring the same sonic aspects anyway.

anyone crazy over GFD needs to pick up Larks' Tongues in Aspic and/or In the Court of the Crimson King, especially the unmatched SW re-mixes/masters.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
I'm curious.  For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson??  I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.'  It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.

Haven't heard a lick of King Crimson. As for the 'blatant ripoffs' in Voyage 34... I can't say I agree with that comment. As Wilson so eloquently stated in the interview, different people will hear different influences in any music they listen to; it's nearly uncontrollable based on our own influences in what we like and don't like and what we've heard throughout our lives. Obviously he's influenced by Pink Floyd, and I myself can hear influences by the band in nearly anything Wilson does, more-so given that I've heard too much Pink Floyd in my musical lifetime; but I think to say that he 'ripped off' Floyd is kind of ridiculous. An homage is one thing, ripping off an artist is a completely different story. But perhaps you didn't mean it that way... or maybe you did. Maybe I'm a descendant of a monkey. A very handsome monkey.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 29, 2012, 02:17:41 PM
Yeah, GFD has King Crimson written all over it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on January 29, 2012, 02:19:38 PM
Some of the guitar parts (like in Remainder...) really reminded me of Larks Pt. 1 and Pt. 2 and yeah, Raider II should be called Lizard II.  :laugh:

Okay, not really, but still interesting and yes, the remasters are great.  I'd actually love to hear what sort of music Wilson and Fripp could cook up.  Knowing them, it probably wouldn't sound much like their previous projects.

I'm curious.  For those of you that are big fans of GFD, have any of you ever listened to any King Crimson??  I listen to it and I can't help but hear a section and think 'Yep, sounds like it's from Larks Tongue In Aspic.'  It's not as blatant as the Pink Floyd homages/ripoffs in Voyage 34, but I think it's pretty interesting how he managed to successfully capture their sound.

Haven't heard a lick of King Crimson. As for the 'blatant ripoffs' in Voyage 34... I can't say I agree with that comment. As Wilson so eloquently stated in the interview, different people will hear different influences in any music they listen to; it's nearly uncontrollable based on our own influences in what we like and don't like and what we've heard throughout our lives. Obviously he's influenced by Pink Floyd, and I myself can hear influences by the band in nearly anything Wilson does, more-so given that I've heard too much Pink Floyd in my musical lifetime; but I think to say that he 'ripped off' Floyd is kind of ridiculous. An homage is one thing, ripping off an artist is a completely different story. But perhaps you didn't mean it that way... or maybe you did. Maybe I'm a descendant of a monkey. A very handsome monkey.
Well, it's hard not to hear it, there are some guitar parts that sound identical to Pink Floyd as if they were just lifted right out.  This is not a Time Flies kind of thing, where that's an homage (and honestly, I never would have noticed that if I hadn't read it here), but just pretty blatant, mostly because I noticed it and I'm quite shit at picking these things out myself.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
Hm, interesting. I'll have to go back and listen to Voyage... I'm pretty much through with Floyd, I'm entirely sick of that band in every audible way possible. But that's just because certain family members of mine are nuts over them. Like...way too much; completely overboard. Shiiet...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on January 29, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Yeah, GFD has King Crimson written all over it.

This. One of Raider II's melodies sound extremely similar to one in Cirkus. There are a lot of Crimson influences on the album, but all in all it stays original and different enough to not bother me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 29, 2012, 02:29:54 PM
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on January 29, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.

I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 02:43:59 PM
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)

Oh, shit...no kidding... I guess it has been a while since I've heard Voyage.  :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 29, 2012, 02:55:32 PM
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.

I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.

The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.

As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.

I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.

The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.

As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.

You misunderstood nothing, that's exactly what he meant. But that doesn't mean it will never happen. The fact that they (or Wilson) agreed to not do a PT album for a while doesn't mean anything in terms of them breaking up or sticking together; plans to not do an album hardly means the end of a band. Remember, Portnoy wanted to take a break from doing DT material for a while and from what I understood completely intended to stay with the band, it didn't mean he wanted to break up with DT or to move on entirely; it was the rest of the band that had the problem with taking a break (and there is absolutely no chance of the rest of the band doing what DT did to Portnoy, clearly. So it's all on SW and while he isn't ecstatic about PT, that's because his focus is on his solo career).

I don't know why people keep saying PT is in jeopardy, PT is on the verge of breaking up, yadda yadda...simply because SW is focusing 100% on himself. There has been absolutely no concrete evidence to support a breakup whatsoever. SW is enjoying his solo career immensely right now, that might mean that, yes, PT will be taking a break for a while; the next year, two, maybe three years. But they will return, of that I have no doubt. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll announce a break up after SW's next album takes off, but I'd bet my left nut that it's a simple case of taking a break and the respective members enjoying doing their own thing, especially SW obviously. He's enjoying it and once he's through with all this touring and writing solo material, he'll take a break, and likely go back to PT and do his thing.

P.S. That obviously wasn't directed at you but more the people who keep droning on about how they're afraid PT is in jeopardy... I hate that show.

Prophecy complete!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on January 29, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.

I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.

The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.

As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.

You misunderstood nothing, that's exactly what he meant. But that doesn't mean it will never happen. The fact that they (or Wilson) agreed to not do a PT album for a while doesn't mean anything in terms of them breaking up or sticking together; plans to not do an album hardly means the end of a band. Remember, Portnoy wanted to take a break from doing DT material for a while and from what I understood completely intended to stay with the band, it didn't mean he wanted to break up with DT or to move on entirely; it was the rest of the band that had the problem with taking a break (and there is absolutely no chance of the rest of the band doing what DT did to Portnoy, clearly. So it's all on SW and while he isn't ecstatic about PT, that's because his focus is on his solo career).

I don't know why people keep saying PT is in jeopardy, PT is on the verge of breaking up, yadda yadda...simply because SW is focusing 100% on himself. There has been absolutely no concrete evidence to support a breakup whatsoever. SW is enjoying his solo career immensely right now, that might mean that, yes, PT will be taking a break for a while; the next year, two, maybe three years. But they will return, of that I have no doubt. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll announce a break up after SW's next album takes off, but I'd bet my left nut that it's a simple case of taking a break and the respective members enjoying doing their own thing, especially SW obviously. He's enjoying it and once he's through with all this touring and writing solo material, he'll take a break, and likely go back to PT and do his thing.

P.S. That obviously wasn't directed at you but more the people who keep droning on about how they're afraid PT is in jeopardy... I hate that show.

Prophecy complete!

I didn't say they absolutely are in jeopardy, but artists finding success in solo projects often leads to things like this. Steven seems to very much enjoy having the artistic freedom to do what he wants with who he wants. He has said a few times he has to avoid certain ideas in PT because the other members don't like certain styles. Initially, the next PT album was supposed to be worked on this year, but it seems that has been indefinitely postponed. He has said on more than one occasion that he really is enjoying playing shows with his current band. It is very possible that PT will do another album, but the fact that it seems to be far from SW's mind at the moment isn't a good sign since it was his main project for two decades. SW used to simultaneously juggle projects, but since quitting Blackfield and ditching the PT plans for the year... pursuing a solo career doesn't seem impossible, and I don't think the idea of it should be immediately dismissed.

Again, this is all speculation. I'm not saying Porcupine Tree is done, but I  think it IS very possible and it's not like things such as this are unheard of. Sometimes musicians feel like a band has gone as far as it could go. Grace for Drowning was critically acclaimed among prog communities, so that is certainly a bit of incentive to make the solo project his "main" project. I think it will all depend on how the next tour/album go. It is very possible that SW just wants to move on to the next project. He accomplished a lot with Porcupine Tree and maybe he just wants to try something new now, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that (other than the fact that PT is my favorite band of course).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 29, 2012, 04:18:57 PM
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)
actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
Just read the interview... that was interesting about Collapse, never knew that.

I'm still a bit worried about PT's future though. It sounds like Wilson doesn't want to be stuck making music with the same people over and over, and after leaving Blackfield... who knows? Regardless, I am excited for any and everything on the horizon.

The way he answered the question about a new album sounded almost like it wasn't in his plans at all, a new PT-album that is. Maybe I just misunderstood it wrong though, but that was the feeling I got from it.

As for the King Crimson-discussion, I've heard a bit, In the Court of... and a few other songs, but I'm not really interested in checking out their music to be honest, it did little for me.

You misunderstood nothing, that's exactly what he meant. But that doesn't mean it will never happen. The fact that they (or Wilson) agreed to not do a PT album for a while doesn't mean anything in terms of them breaking up or sticking together; plans to not do an album hardly means the end of a band. Remember, Portnoy wanted to take a break from doing DT material for a while and from what I understood completely intended to stay with the band, it didn't mean he wanted to break up with DT or to move on entirely; it was the rest of the band that had the problem with taking a break (and there is absolutely no chance of the rest of the band doing what DT did to Portnoy, clearly. So it's all on SW and while he isn't ecstatic about PT, that's because his focus is on his solo career).

I don't know why people keep saying PT is in jeopardy, PT is on the verge of breaking up, yadda yadda...simply because SW is focusing 100% on himself. There has been absolutely no concrete evidence to support a breakup whatsoever. SW is enjoying his solo career immensely right now, that might mean that, yes, PT will be taking a break for a while; the next year, two, maybe three years. But they will return, of that I have no doubt. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll announce a break up after SW's next album takes off, but I'd bet my left nut that it's a simple case of taking a break and the respective members enjoying doing their own thing, especially SW obviously. He's enjoying it and once he's through with all this touring and writing solo material, he'll take a break, and likely go back to PT and do his thing.

P.S. That obviously wasn't directed at you but more the people who keep droning on about how they're afraid PT is in jeopardy... I hate that show.

Prophecy complete!

I didn't say they absolutely are in jeopardy, but artists finding success in solo projects often leads to things like this. Steven seems to very much enjoy having the artistic freedom to do what he wants with who he wants. He has said a few times he has to avoid certain ideas in PT because the other members don't like certain styles. Initially, the next PT album was supposed to be worked on this year, but it seems that has been indefinitely postponed. He has said on more than one occasion that he really is enjoying playing shows with his current band. It is very possible that PT will do another album, but the fact that it seems to be far from SW's mind at the moment isn't a good sign since it was his main project for two decades. SW used to simultaneously juggle projects, but since quitting Blackfield and ditching the PT plans for the year... pursuing a solo career doesn't seem impossible, and I don't think the idea of it should be immediately dismissed.

Again, this is all speculation. I'm not saying Porcupine Tree is done, but I  think it IS very possible and it's not like things such as this are unheard of. Sometimes musicians feel like a band has gone as far as it could go. Grace for Drowning was critically acclaimed among prog communities, so that is certainly a bit of incentive to make the solo project his "main" project. I think it will all depend on how the next tour/album go. It is very possible that SW just wants to move on to the next project. He accomplished a lot with Porcupine Tree and maybe he just wants to try something new now, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that (other than the fact that PT is my favorite band of course).

Agreed, I suppose I simply haven't looked into it as much or am not as worried about it. Granted, if it did come to pass, that would majorly suck and I would be utterly heartbroken because they're right up there with being my favorite band as well. I'm just hoping that it is in fact a 'phase' and that he's 'getting it out of his system' so to speak. I really do have a feeling that once this next album and touring is finished, PT will be up and running again; he might even draw inspiration for the next album due to touring or something to do with the album. But then again feelings are as hazy as the Seattle skyline so that doesn't count for much (nothing). Here's hoping! I'd really like to hear more PT, but in the back of my mind I'm also saying that I've all but disliked the last album and haven't loved the one before that... So unless there was a major change of direction in where PT is heading, I can't say I'd be all too heartbroken over the current PT; but moreso the fact that overall their music is so amazing that I'd lose the band whose discography I can say is among my favorite with few others standing next to it.

Either way it goes, the future looks to be exciting and tumescent.

P.S. I'm assuming the whole concert is general admission? I just now looked at my actual tickets after printing them and my seats are "GA5, Seats 49-50". Good? Terrible? I'm just excited to be there but it sure would suck if I was way in the back or over to the far side. It looks like according to the seating chart it's pretty good, a bit off to the left but not too far. But the seating chart is kind of confusing to me? Help, computa'?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 29, 2012, 05:30:06 PM
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)
actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.

I stand corrected :)

When did SW leave Blackfield, I know they postponed some show because his father died but he said he was done with BF?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)
actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.

I stand corrected :)

When did SW leave Blackfield, I know they postponed some show because his father died but he said he was done with BF?

I don't have a link but it should be fairly new in the Blackfield therad; but yeah it's confirmed 100%. He might be involved in future projects in production and such but he's "left the project in Aviv's hands". We will hear him no more on the Blackfield records more than likely; perhaps a 'cameo' of sorts here or there in the future but even then I doubt it. Which means I have absolutely no interest in the project anymore. Not like I liked their last effort anyway but... Yeah, a bit sad. But not really for me. After Blackfield II I all but forgot about the group.

Nevermind I do have a link:
Quote
...just to clarify news elsewhere of a new Blackfield album coming this year – please note that this time my involvement will be as a contributor rather than a member. I will still be mixing the album, and maybe sing on a couple of Aviv’s songs (there will be other guest singers I understand), but with my complete blessing Blackfield is now under his sole curatorship, a process which really began with Welcome to My DNA
https://starsdie.com/wp/fourth-blackfield-album-coming-this-year/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 29, 2012, 05:39:06 PM
If SW goes for a third studio album, then PT won't work again until probably 2013, and we'll get an album in 2014, probably at the soonest.  But that's only if SW doesn't want to do yet another solo album, and that's quite likely.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 29, 2012, 05:40:21 PM
He just said he's working on his third one right now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 29, 2012, 05:43:16 PM
Voyage takes it's intro from Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)
actually, SW has said (since it came out, in fact) that he was channelling Ash Ra Tempel, not "Another Brick." i realize he'd have some reasons to shrug off the Floyd in light of how Wish You Were Here-y the title track and sequencing of The Sky Moves Sideways is, but he's consistently said this for 20 years now.

I stand corrected :)

When did SW leave Blackfield, I know they postponed some show because his father died but he said he was done with BF?

I don't have a link but it should be fairly new in the Blackfield therad; but yeah it's confirmed 100%. He might be involved in future projects in production and such but he's "left the project in Aviv's hands". We will hear him no more on the Blackfield records more than likely; perhaps a 'cameo' of sorts here or there in the future but even then I doubt it. Which means I have absolutely no interest in the project anymore. Not like I liked their last effort anyway but... Yeah, a bit sad. But not really for me. After Blackfield II I all but forgot about the group.

Nevermind I do have a link:
Quote
...just to clarify news elsewhere of a new Blackfield album coming this year – please note that this time my involvement will be as a contributor rather than a member. I will still be mixing the album, and maybe sing on a couple of Aviv’s songs (there will be other guest singers I understand), but with my complete blessing Blackfield is now under his sole curatorship, a process which really began with Welcome to My DNA
https://starsdie.com/wp/fourth-blackfield-album-coming-this-year/

damn "Waving" was my favorite BF song :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 05:47:22 PM
ololololll :lol H, dooder, you were the one who originally told me he was, but then gave no link, so I figured you were just hoping! I guess you were but turned out to be spot on. That made me laugh much more than it should have... I agree though, 2014 sounds right and I do think we will get one then but that's a ways down the road considering the album process has probably just started its beginning phases of writing, then the touring after the release... Yeah, it'll be a while before we hear anything PT related, even news of it won't come till after the album is released. Then again, Wilson was also just saying that he works quickly and diligently; so unless this project is going to be as huge as GFD was (seriously doubt that), then this album will probably be more along the lines of Insurgents in terms of length and time spent. That isn't to say I want him to rush through it, I'm excited to hear yet another solo album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 29, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
No I always knew he was planning on SW#3.  I thought I gave a link because he said he was doing it a in an interview a couple weeks ago.

And hey, where are you seeing which seat you have?  I bought my ticket and I don't see anything about seats...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 05:59:46 PM
No I always knew he was planning on SW#3.  I thought I gave a link because he said he was doing it a in an interview a couple weeks ago.

And hey, where are you seeing which seat you have?  I bought my ticket and I don't see anything about seats...

My ticket says "GA; GA5, seat 49". I dunno, man, I'm a bit confused about the seating arrangements in the venue as well. I've never been to a House Of Blues anywhere and the seating chart on Live Nation is a bit odd. I'm hoping someone who has tickets and knows their ass from a hole in the ground unlike moi will inform me sometime before the concert.  :lol

JAAAAAACKIE!? WHERE ART THOU!?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 29, 2012, 06:02:23 PM
I don't know about the House Of Blues that you're going to but the one here in Florida is GA
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
I don't know about the House Of Blues that you're going to but the one here in Florida is GA

It says GA as well, and yet the seating chart has tables and seats mapped out...as well as my tickets clearly having numbered seats and sections. So... Hm. I'm a bit confused. Yeah it's on the Sunset Strip, so it's pretty well known; I'm hoping someone has been there before.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 29, 2012, 09:11:00 PM
I live in CO so don't look at me for venue-specific answers :lol

The Chicago show was GA but Ian and I still got seats. Also I have received GA tickets with numbers on them that just didn't mean anything. If it says GA there will not be assigned seats but there may be seats.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 29, 2012, 09:16:47 PM
 :P
Ah, gotcha. I thought it might be that way... Those fawkers, trying and succeeding in confuzzling me. Welp, I suppose I will have to get there extra early cause no way in hell am I getting a bad seat.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 29, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
Okay, whoever gets there first saves the good spot in line, and then the rest of us straggle in so we can sit together  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 29, 2012, 09:56:22 PM
When would you guys want to meet? Wanna get food first?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 30, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
I am down for whatever, honestly. I imagine not everyone is 21, right? I was going to suggest eat before and drink after.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 30, 2012, 09:25:45 AM
No I'm not. :/

I don't know what various policies are at bars but we could go if you wanted and I'll just get a soda. :)

And eating before/drinking after sounds like a plan. I may or may not have a buddy with me, so I want to be sensitive about putting him in awkward situations with people he doesn't know, but I think it'll work out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 30, 2012, 09:41:00 AM
I'm 22 Mizz Jackie  :coolio and I am definitely having a few drinks at the show. But I'd love to meet up before and have a bite and some sodas for the under-aged Hobbitses!  :azn: T'would be an honor for my first DTF meet up to be with you and H (and hopefully at least a couple other members! but it doesn't look that way...).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 30, 2012, 11:22:12 PM
The three of us will tear it up... my two friends who live in LA may also be there, not sure yet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2012, 10:46:24 PM
Okay. So my parents decided that they don't want me to go home that weekend because it won't be cheap. So I might not be able to go to the LA show. I think I'll be able to go to the SF show if I can figure out the train thing.

Anyone wanna buy a ticket to the LA show? ;_;
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 01, 2012, 10:52:52 PM
Aw fuck, H, that's a bummer... Shit. I was hoping to meet'cha. One day, one day.

It's you 'n me, Jackie girl. You better not back out! I'll be so lonely.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2012, 10:53:52 PM
Buy a ticket for a buddy and bring 'em along! (buy it from me)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on February 01, 2012, 10:58:43 PM
What date is the show again? I'm like 99% sure my UK friends will be here, but it's slightly possible they won't. If they won't, I'll buy it from you.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2012, 11:00:03 PM
April 7, Saturday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 01, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
Buy a ticket for a buddy and bring 'em along! (buy it from me)

I would if I didn't already have two tickets. That was the plan, actually, but my friend can't come due to school. So I too have an extra ticket. I asked my pops if he'd want to come along since he's the one providing me with the plane tickets and whatnot (dudes always traveling); but I haven't heard if he likes the SW mix I gave him or not yet, so... Who knows. I might be scalping before the show.  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2012, 11:44:27 PM
Quick question for those that saw the SW show...how much care went into the volume of the music? I'm got quite sensitive ears. Sigz, for reference, I would consider the Eisley show 'too loud'.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on February 01, 2012, 11:48:45 PM
Sound is on the lower side. Bass was a bit too loud at both shows I attended, but everything else was reasonable. Very clear too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2012, 11:51:13 PM
Earplugs necessary for clarity?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 01, 2012, 11:51:50 PM
Damn, I shouldn't have bought my ticket yet with all these extras  :lol

And I won't back out, don't worry Jorge... but your dad being there is going to make things awfully awkward when the fapping begins  :|

I think I'll be able to go to the SF show if I can figure out the train thing.


YOU BETTER... where do you live anyway?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2012, 11:53:40 PM
Davis....going to school at UCD. Go Aggies!

Okay, I lied. I don't really care about school spirit. Can't even fake it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on February 01, 2012, 11:56:17 PM
Earplugs necessary for clarity?

I don't think so, but I've never used earplugs in the ~70 concerts I've been to sooooo idk
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on February 02, 2012, 01:23:20 AM
new Q&A: https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-2012-community-qa-steven-answers-your-questions/ (https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-2012-community-qa-steven-answers-your-questions/)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on February 02, 2012, 01:26:17 AM
Quick question for those that saw the SW show...how much care went into the volume of the music? I'm got quite sensitive ears. Sigz, for reference, I would consider the Eisley show 'too loud'.

I don't remember it being particularly loud, but at the same time I didn't consider Eisley to be that loud either :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 02, 2012, 01:43:41 AM
new Q&A: https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-2012-community-qa-steven-answers-your-questions/ (https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-2012-community-qa-steven-answers-your-questions/)
Awesome questions. So glad to hear that he plans on rereleasing all the BC albums someday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 03, 2012, 03:16:10 AM
A question to those of you who saw him on the first leg of the tour.

https://starsdie.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SW-gasmask.jpg this picture got me a bit intrigued, does he actually wear the mask as a part of the concert? or is it just from one random show? :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on February 03, 2012, 04:28:35 AM
Quick question for those that saw the SW show...how much care went into the volume of the music? I'm got quite sensitive ears. Sigz, for reference, I would consider the Eisley show 'too loud'.

If you think Eisley is too loud you should be bringing earplugs to every show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on February 03, 2012, 05:48:27 AM
A question to those of you who saw him on the first leg of the tour.

https://starsdie.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SW-gasmask.jpg this picture got me a bit intrigued, does he actually wear the mask as a part of the concert? or is it just from one random show? :P

He wore it at every show during Get All You Deserve.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 03, 2012, 05:53:22 AM
Sounds badass.  :lol

What kind of things did he have at the merchandise?
I will most likely pick up a T-shirt, but I'm a bit more curious in music-products, like if he sold any "rare" things, or anything from the side-projects, like Bass Communion or anything.
I have pretty much all of the "standard" SW-related stuff, but I know Postcard was released as a single (though I don't know if it was just as a download), and when it comes to Bass Communion I only have Cenotaph due to being hard to get a hold of stuff.
I can imagine that he will sell the live album/DVD or whatever in the spring, and I will most likely pick that up, but really interested in other CD-releases that might be hard to get a hold of, apart from at the shows. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 03, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
From what I remember, Cenotaph was sold as a CD but may or may not be sold out.

And I'm pretty sure Postcard was download only (which you should get on right away).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on February 03, 2012, 05:26:53 PM
Think I'm gonna buy the Burning Shed shirt SW has in Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on February 03, 2012, 06:11:55 PM
Sounds badass.  :lol

What kind of things did he have at the merchandise?
I will most likely pick up a T-shirt, but I'm a bit more curious in music-products, like if he sold any "rare" things, or anything from the side-projects, like Bass Communion or anything.
I have pretty much all of the "standard" SW-related stuff, but I know Postcard was released as a single (though I don't know if it was just as a download), and when it comes to Bass Communion I only have Cenotaph due to being hard to get a hold of stuff.
I can imagine that he will sell the live album/DVD or whatever in the spring, and I will most likely pick that up, but really interested in other CD-releases that might be hard to get a hold of, apart from at the shows. :P

Not very much. :-\ They had two t shirts and a hoodie. As for music, they had some of the deluxe editions and standard editions of GFD. They might have had like one BC album but that was pretty much it, it was k ind of underwhelming. They didn't even have the tshirt I wanted at the Boston show, and it sold out on their website so I didn't even get any merch from the tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on February 03, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
What does anyone think Stevens chances of coming to Australia are? :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 04, 2012, 05:05:36 AM
Aww that sounds a bit lame, I was hoping for some rare Bass Communion stuff.
But seeing as I'll be seeing him in April, it might be possible to see the Live DVD/Bluray then, not sure exactly when it would come out, but it's not far fetched to think that it could be available.
Maybe the new No-Man DVD/Bluray as well, otherwise I would have loved more Bass Communion stuff, but oh well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on February 04, 2012, 11:08:43 AM
What does anyone think Stevens chances of coming to Australia are? :(

Not very good. If they're worried about breaking even in Europe and NA the trip down there would probably be much to expensive.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 04, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
...when it comes to Bass Communion I only have Cenotaph due to being hard to get a hold of stuff.

BC I and the reissue of II+III are still easily available online at normal prices. there are obviously other things that are out of print and expensive/impossible to find, but the main body of CDs is mostly gatherable. (i also like BC1-3 best myself, so i was glad to fetch them most!)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 08, 2012, 09:33:55 AM
I just ordered the live album, signed. First time ordering through paypal and from headphone dust, so it will be interesting to see how it works, and/or if it works at all. :P
If it works well, then I will probably order more stuff in the future.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on February 12, 2012, 04:56:38 PM
He didn't win the Grammy for No 67. "Best Surround Sound Album"

Unfortunate but nice to have the nomination. Haven't listened to the winner so I can't comment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 13, 2012, 01:48:00 AM
https://www.innerviews.org/inner/wilson.html

Very interesting interview with Steven. I don't want to spoil it all, but some good questions and some really interesting answers.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crawl_away on February 13, 2012, 04:48:05 AM
It's so disappointing that Steven is turning his back on Porcupine Tree. I really don't get anywhere near as excited for his solo records as I do for PT. Oh well.  :chill
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on February 13, 2012, 05:29:56 AM
It's so disappointing that Steven is turning his back on Porcupine Tree. I really don't get anywhere near as excited for his solo records as I do for PT. Oh well.  :chill

"For example, he wanted to make another record right now, which he’s doing. And he wants to go back out on tour. I said “There’s no way. I want to do my solo tour and get back with Porcupine Tree. Maybe in two or three years I can do that.”
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 13, 2012, 05:35:22 AM
Since he mentions that SW3 will be out in early 2013, then a new PT probably won't be out until second half of 2013 at earliest. And that's 4 years since The Incident, so the gap has become a bit bigger.
Not that I'm complaining, if they're doing a new PT, then I'd much rather have something really good and "new", then The Incident part 2.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 13, 2012, 06:08:26 AM
Since he mentions that SW3 will be out in early 2013, then a new PT probably won't be out until second half of 2013 at earliest. And that's 4 years since The Incident, so the gap has become a bit bigger.
Not that I'm complaining, if they're doing a new PT, then I'd much rather have something really good and "new", then The Incident part 2.

Amen to that. If we got an Incident 2 or something similar, I don't think I'd give two shits if PT quit altogether. That said, here's hoping they bring something fresh to the table; it's really awesome to hear Wilson is in fact planning to return. However long that takes, I couldn't care less considering it'd be preferable for them to marinate ideas and whatnot instead of jumping right back into it with no second looks.

Awesome interview. :tup I like hearing his thoughts on religion too... Oop! :-X
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on February 13, 2012, 06:25:11 AM
...as interviews go that has got be be one of the best I've seen with any artist in a long time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on February 22, 2012, 02:19:15 PM
Not sure if this is common knowledge, but apparently "Veneno Para Las Hadas" translates as "Poison for a Fairy".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on February 22, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Not sure if this is common knowledge, but apparently "Veneno Para Las Hadas" translates as "Poison for a Fairy".

It's actually Poison for the Fairies, and it's named after a mexican horror film.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on February 22, 2012, 02:44:16 PM
Ah, my bad. A Uni friend translated it for me, I apparently misheard her :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: petrucci07 on February 25, 2012, 06:35:46 AM
Anyone else got their copy of Cataloue / Preserve / Amass yet? Mine arrived yesterday, it's pretty cool
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 25, 2012, 09:23:56 AM
Anyone else got their copy of Cataloue / Preserve / Amass yet? Mine arrived yesterday, it's pretty cool
I got mine yesterday too, but I have a friend here over the weekend, so will probably not get the chance to listen to it until tomorrow earliest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 29, 2012, 12:51:54 AM
3 songs to introduce a 'casual' PT fan. Go.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 29, 2012, 01:38:33 AM
3 songs to introduce a 'casual' PT fan. Go.

Deform to Form a Star, No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun & Salvaging.  :biggrin:

On another note: Home in Negative have been clicking a lot with me recently. One of his best "B-Sides" for sure.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 29, 2012, 01:44:25 AM
Okay. Nice suggestions, but I already sent them Index, Remainder The Black Dog, and Abandoner, so let's see how that goes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on February 29, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
I love all three of the GFD bonus tracks, The Map has a very Radiohead-ish feel to it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 29, 2012, 11:20:03 AM
I didn't really get a Radiohead vibe from The Map, but I can see how you'd feel that; I also love that song a lot, one of my favorite tracks on GFD despite it's almost redundant simplicity, but it works so well and really lets me sink into the song. Very trance-like. :heart :hat

P.S.
Veneno Para Las Hadas live on Catalogue / Preserve / Amass = Perfecto mundo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 29, 2012, 11:29:03 AM
Veneno Para Las Hadas has never really clicked for me sadly. Before everyone starts shitting and throwing it at me, I don't mean that it's a bad song. I think it's a great song, just hasn't clicked in the big way that it has for many others. I still really like it, but everytime the intro starts, I'm just waiting for Steven to sing "We lost the skyline".  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 29, 2012, 11:54:01 AM
 :rollin I think the same thing every time. Truth be told, I didn't like it very much the first handful of times I heard it either. But one day (cliche, but a very depressing, sad day) I listened to the song and it just touched me in ways I haven't been touched since old man Herbert walked in on me doing yoga naked. It's so beautifully melancholic and dark, but there's a kind of 'light at the end of the tunnel' feeling that undulates underneath the darkened music. It's nearly indescribable, but it's one of my favorite songs from any artist, let alone SW.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 29, 2012, 02:30:24 PM
I like VPLH quite a bit, been I've never really liked the fade in harmonies. I don't think they're that good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on March 05, 2012, 04:09:40 PM
What are some albums like Ghosts on Magnetic Tape and Cenotaph? I think they're awesome but apparently there's other artists who do the same thing but better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2012, 02:48:28 AM
What are some albums like Ghosts on Magnetic Tape and Cenotaph? I think they're awesome but apparently there's other artists who do the same thing but better.

I don't know, personally I really love Bass Communion, I have checked out some other Ambient artists, but haven't really found anything that has clicked as much. Tim Hecker is an artist I could recommend though, Ravedeath, 1972 came out last year and was a really good album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 14, 2012, 01:11:13 AM
So the new (supposedly SW App exclusive) remix of Index called 'IndexTwentyTwelve' is furggin sexy as hell. Flows and jams together beautifully; really loving it. And need it for download.

Posted from mah iF'n4s.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 18, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
Bump cause Steven ain't no second-page bitch.

Just got Catalog/Preserve/Amass and boy is it beautiful. I really love the rendition of Veneno Para Las Hadas; it's such a beautiful song anyway but in a live setting and performed the way it was...brings a lil tent to my pants and a tear to my cyclops. Wha? I'm already itching for the third solo album and I still haven't comprehended the full scope of beauty that GFD has to offer.

Has anyone else heard Pat Mastelotto's IndexTwentyTwelve? Does anyone even follow the app anymore or am I an old geezer? I wish it wasn't an app exclusive but y'know how Steven loves those Apple products.

Oh and :caffeine: cause we're getting closer and closer to the LA show. I can't wait. I can't believe I might be close enough to smell Steven's farts. It's unreal. I'm just gonna waft the whole entire show. Just sitting there. Staring and wafting.

ed: Ooops...forgot I was the last to post. WELL IT'S ALL OF YOU PEOPLE'S (YOU PEEP HOLES) FAULT FOR LETTING STEVEN FALL SO FAR!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on March 18, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Has anyone else heard Pat Mastelotto's IndexTwentyTwelve?
I have made it a point to buy anything GFD-related, including the deulxe edition, C/P/A and the Postcard EP. I don't have an iPod Touch or an iPhone. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 18, 2012, 01:05:18 PM
Bummer...big time bummer. That's why I don't like app exclusives, at the very least there should be an option to download a single song from BurningShed or something for .99 cents. It's cool the app is free and you can stream the song as much as you want but excluding those who don't have an Android/iPhone/Pod is kinda meh; I'd gladly pay for this song, it's bumpin'. I'd love to jam to this on the road too. Maybe once it's gotten enough hits on the app. I've certainly been playing it enough.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on March 24, 2012, 03:41:44 AM
More and more I'm realizing how great No Part of Me is. It's risen to the a very solid position of #1 on GFD, even above Deform and Raider. It might even be better than everything off Insurgentes (maybe not the title track).

I'm beginning to think it might be one of the best things Steven's ever done. It's so incredible.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on March 24, 2012, 06:38:33 AM
I think today I'm going to try and give GfD another chance.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Vahvahenki on March 24, 2012, 09:10:11 AM
Haven't seen this mentioned but Catalogue/Preserve/Amass is getting a vinyl release for Record Store Day 2012 on April 21st, limited to 2000 copies worldwide. Worth picking up right?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 24, 2012, 10:16:45 AM
More and more I'm realizing how great No Part of Me is. It's risen to the a very solid position of #1 on GFD, even above Deform and Raider. It might even be better than everything off Insurgentes (maybe not the title track).

I'm beginning to think it might be one of the best things Steven's ever done. It's so incredible.

Yes, yes and yes! I love NPM, it struck me as one of the better tracks of GFD when I first listened to it but since then has risen to a top spot. It is quite beautiful in its execution; there's a lot of nuances that I catch every time I listen.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 24, 2012, 07:19:08 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned but Catalogue/Preserve/Amass is getting a vinyl release for Record Store Day 2012 on April 21st, limited to 2000 copies worldwide. Worth picking up right?
not imo – it's only got half the album!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 04, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
OHHHHHHHHH BOY HERE WE GO!!! I'm going to California tomorrow for the first time since a kid, and this time Saturday I will be discreetly fapping it to the fact that I'm seeing and hearing my godly godship right in front of me. Bet your ass I shall be there early as can be to get myself a good seat. SO, SO FUCKING EXCITETRUCK!! I cannot wait, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. OH, STEVE! Wooootrz! GFD time to prepare for the awesomeness.

Anyone else still going to the show? Jackie? Where art thou, Jackie!?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on April 04, 2012, 09:26:32 PM
I will be there in spirit. Tell you what, I'll actually listen to C/P/A at the same time as the concert.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 04, 2012, 09:49:09 PM
Deform is actually losing it's charm for me. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on April 05, 2012, 07:16:28 AM
OHHHHHHHHH BOY HERE WE GO!!! I'm going to California tomorrow for the first time since a kid, and this time Saturday I will be discreetly fapping it to the fact that I'm seeing and hearing my godly godship right in front of me. Bet your ass I shall be there early as can be to get myself a good seat. SO, SO FUCKING EXCITETRUCK!! I cannot wait, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. OH, STEVE! Wooootrz! GFD time to prepare for the awesomeness.

Anyone else still going to the show? Jackie? Where art thou, Jackie!?
I'll be seeing her in a couple of hours, got a message that needs passing?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on April 05, 2012, 10:27:08 AM
Tio,  I'm with Jackie now, she wants to meet Peeps. Pm me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on April 05, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
Haven't had a chance to tell anyone about the show 'till now but it was amazing!

He premiered a song from his 3rd solo album too. It sounds more like classic prog than anything else he's done before. Really long and technical, tons of dynamic changes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on April 05, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
That's cool, but tbh I really hope the next album doesn't follow that direction for the whole thing. I liked GFD, but I would prefer if he would explore more instead of going even heavier into classic prog.

That said, I'm sure the new song is awesome and I love 70s prog, so I'm sure I will enjoy it. I ENVY YOU
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 06, 2012, 12:16:46 AM
Seeing as Insurgentes and GfD are very different, I have faith in SW that the third album will be unique in it's own way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on April 06, 2012, 02:04:57 PM
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2012/showbox-at-the-market-seattle-wa-3de11ff.html

Looks like the song is called "Luminal".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on April 06, 2012, 04:07:30 PM
After listening to GFD again, I've decided that although it's a terrific record, it doesn't have much replay value. The only songs I really enjoy are Deform to Form, No Part of Me, and sometimes Postcard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on April 06, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
Then you're wrong.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 09, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
According to setlist.fm, SW played a new song called "A Sign of Things to Come" a few nights ago. Interesting.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2012/house-of-blues-west-hollywood-ca-7bde0e64.html
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on April 09, 2012, 08:44:54 AM
He's already talking about a 3rd record? Grace for Drowning just got out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 09, 2012, 10:04:18 AM
According to setlist.fm, SW played a new song called "A Sign of Things to Come" a few nights ago. Interesting.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2012/house-of-blues-west-hollywood-ca-7bde0e64.html

Interesting... I thought he was just saying that to the audience like, "This is what to expect", but that's badass too.  :lol

I just got back from Cali yesterday. It was pretty much the best thing I have ever experienced in my puny little life; it kind of exploded like ten billion suns packed into an adamantium box of sexiness. The sound was amazing in the venue, and even Miss Jackie, who of course went to other shows, said that it was the best sounding show she'd seen. So much fun meeting her, the whole trip was a complete trip.  :P

But yeah, the new song is definitely based more in the traditional progressive-rock genre, but don't let that very mediocre and shallow description fool you into thinking it sounds similar to anything you've heard by the man before, because it certainly is not. It's zany, off-the-walls, and will kick your ass; I loved the hell out of it. I really don't think it has a name yet, but if that's what it's called I can see that working out...but I don't remember any of the lyrics off the top of my head.

Whatever it's called, it was awesome and I cannot wait to hear the new record. He said it'd be out sometime next year, following another tour to promote it; which now that I've been infected with the man's aura, I'll have to go to no matter where it is. I seriously doubt too that the whole album will be as wild as the new song premiered; that said, it also wasn't entirely prog-rock based, it had some moments where things got very mellow and ambiance-driven...which...well, I guess is somewhat still based around progressive elements but y'know. Or not. Beautifully badass stuff either way you slice it.

P.S. Oh and seeing him in that creepy gas mask 20ft. in front of me... Mm. I just wanted to run up to the stage and jump his ass and explode with love (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fH18vY4wOE).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on April 09, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
According to setlist.fm, SW played a new song called "A Sign of Things to Come" a few nights ago. Interesting.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2012/house-of-blues-west-hollywood-ca-7bde0e64.html

Interesting... I thought he was just saying that to the audience like, "This is what to expect", but that's badass too.  :lol

This is what I'm thinking as well, I imagine it is the same new song he had been playing and someone just misinterpreted what he said to be the song title. However, it is in a different spot in the setlist so it could be something completely new, which would be awesome!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 09, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Yeah, I'm also a bit clueless about if it's Luminal or another new song. Still, seeing him in 2 weeks and I can't wait.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 09, 2012, 10:53:36 AM
I'm almost positive he's been playing the same 'new song' for the entirety of the tour, given that the set-lists have been virtually the same for this leg; Jackie mentioned that as well from seeing him at the Filmore. I'm sure if he had a name for it he'd debut it along with the song, so I'd take any name with a...bottle of salt.

You're going to love it, Zant! The whole thing was wonderfully enjoyable; I was especially surprised by the light-show and the general cohesiveness of the band and co. You can really tell they're putting their all into this tour and it shows. Aside from one itsy-bitsy snag (literally) when the curtain fell about four songs in, to which Wilson made a very funny commentary on how professional they are, it was absolutely perfect in every way, truly the sharpest show I've ever been to. Now that I'm back in stanky-ass Texass, I srsly want to go see him in Dallas.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 09, 2012, 10:57:40 AM
I would pay for the ticket just to see SW in a gasmask during the encore.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on April 09, 2012, 11:12:42 AM
He's doing the gasmask in the encore? Awesome! I'm seeing him in 3 weeks, can't wait either.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 09, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
Sure did, it was so creepily badass. Sexy man be sexy. I wish I had one of those recorders you can set up in your eyeballs to record everything you see so I could relive the show. Ya'll know what I'm talkin' bout.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on April 21, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
IMACOLLECTORICOLLECTANYTHINGIFIND

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Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 21, 2012, 10:09:04 AM
I have all of those, except for GfD on vinyl, which I'm going to order when I get some cash. You could also add Insurgentes, Insurgentes DVD and NSRGNTS RMXS to my SW solo-collection.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on April 21, 2012, 10:29:14 AM
YEAH WELL I HAVE THOSE TOO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on April 21, 2012, 10:37:07 AM
I really wish they had the CPA vinyl over here in America  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on April 21, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
I had the only one in the shop, I was all like :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 21, 2012, 11:26:16 AM
Same for me. They only had one copy of it, and there were like 30 people crowding around the vinyl-"booth", when someone flipped through the vinyls I saw it, and grabbed it. I don't know how many others here in the city actually listens to Wilson, or were after the vinyl, but I'm so happy I got it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on April 21, 2012, 11:46:16 AM
I went to Spillers in Cardiff (the oldest record shop in the world!) and the whole thing was really well organised. There was a guy making his way up the qeue with a checklist asking what you were after, and he'd tell you if they'd sold out or not.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 25, 2012, 05:51:37 PM
So I just came home from seeing Steven Wilson live, the concert was brilliant. Had to drive 185 miles each way, but it was totally worth it. Also picked up Grace For Drowning on vinyl (which I didn't have before), so now I have it on vinyl, normal CD-version and the limited version. They also had Insurgentes on vinyl (which I wanted), but due to cash restrictions I had to go with one, so will probably pick it up later sometime.

Pretty much the same setlist they've been playing:

1. No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun
2. Index
3. Deform to Form a Star
4. Sectarian
5. Postcard
6. Remainder the Black Dog
7. Harmony Korine
8. Abandoner
9. Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye
10. Luminol (New song)
11. No Part of Me
12. Raider II
-----Encore------
13. Get All You Deserve (SW with gasmask.. hell yes)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2012, 10:37:04 PM
Here is the new song, Luminol, live:

https://soundcloud.com/thechrisgregory/luminol

Pretty good quality, and a helluva tune.  I already can't wait for the next SW solo album. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on April 29, 2012, 02:04:55 PM
Here is the new song, Luminol, live:

https://soundcloud.com/thechrisgregory/luminol

Pretty good quality, and a helluva tune.  I already can't wait for the next SW solo album. :coolio

 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on April 29, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
Here is the new song, Luminol, live:

https://soundcloud.com/thechrisgregory/luminol

Pretty good quality, and a helluva tune.  I already can't wait for the next SW solo album. :coolio

 :hefdaddy

If whole album will be as good or even better than this track I don't think I will be able to handle that much awesomeness :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crazyaga on April 29, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
i never really heard this guy.
where should i start? which album?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 29, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
i never really heard this guy.
where should i start? which album?

Not familiar with any of his projects? Porcupine Tree is pretty known around here. :P
If you want to check his solo stuff out he has two albums, Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning. While they are both Progressive in their own ways, I'd say the first is a bit more influenced by Drone/Noise and the second more influenced by Jazz/Fusion, and has been compared with King Crimson a bit. I think both are brilliant, so it's preferences really.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crazyaga on April 29, 2012, 03:18:51 PM
i never really heard this guy.
where should i start? which album?

Not familiar with any of his projects? Porcupine Tree is pretty known around here. :P
If you want to check his solo stuff out he has two albums, Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning. While they are both Progressive in their own ways, I'd say the first is a bit more influenced by Drone/Noise and the second more influenced by Jazz/Fusion, and has been compared with King Crimson a bit. I think both are brilliant, so it's preferences really.
i checked out few songs by porcupine tree and they sounded pretty avrage to me.
EDIT: oh well. i was exaggerating. they are above avrage. but no where near amazing imo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on April 29, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
Porcupine Tree's catalogue is pretty diverse... It's pretty hard to get a good idea of their sound with just "a few songs".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 29, 2012, 04:53:18 PM
Go listen to these songs in order: Blackest Eyes, Trains, Lips of Ashes, The Sound of Muzak, Gravity Eyelids.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 29, 2012, 05:17:47 PM
PT is one of those bands that really grows on you after a while. My first album was Lightbulb Sun and on my first listen I wasn't too impressed. Now its one of my favorites. I'd listen to either Deadwing or In Absentia, or the songs that TheOutlawXanadu listed.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on April 29, 2012, 05:31:12 PM
Yeah, when I was trying to get into PT, it took a while for things to phase in. Took a while for even "Trains" to get a reaction out of me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 29, 2012, 05:32:43 PM
That new track is pretty much where I want Steven to go at this point. The more experimental sides are great, but two albums worth has me craving something with at least a tad more structure, fantastic track.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on April 29, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
That new track is pretty much where I want Steven to go at this point. The more experimental sides are great, but two albums worth has me craving something with at least a tad more structure, fantastic track.

Opposite for me: I love his experimental side so I wish he continue this way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 29, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
That new track is pretty much where I want Steven to go at this point. The more experimental sides are great, but two albums worth has me craving something with at least a tad more structure, fantastic track.
Agreed.

The song has quite a bit of energy too, which is a nice change of pace.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crazyaga on April 30, 2012, 09:37:20 AM
Go listen to these songs in order: Blackest Eyes, Trains, Lips of Ashes, The Sound of Muzak, Gravity Eyelids.
It was really nice acutally...
I was espicially impressed by Gravity Eyelids.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 30, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
Go listen to these songs in order: Blackest Eyes, Trains, Lips of Ashes, The Sound of Muzak, Gravity Eyelids.
It was really nice acutally...
I was espicially impressed by Gravity Eyelids.

Gravity Eyelids is my second favorite song on In Absentia after Trains. I wish more people would give it attention, but generally people hold IA high, so I guess they like it after all. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TL on April 30, 2012, 11:29:03 AM
I finally got around to listening to Nil Recurring. I then listened to it about 50 more times. It's just so damn good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on April 30, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
I'm seeing him wednesday!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on April 30, 2012, 11:41:23 AM
Luminol seems to be the closest SW has ever sounded to bands like Genesis, Yes, and Spock's Beard for the first half of the song. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2012, 11:57:16 AM
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured.  I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates.  Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crazyaga on April 30, 2012, 12:21:33 PM
Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that.  :tup :tup
Devin Townsend is like that too!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on April 30, 2012, 01:39:22 PM
Luminol seems to be the closest SW has ever sounded to bands like Genesis, Yes, and Spock's Beard for the first half of the song.
I haven't heard it yet, but that sounds very promising.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 30, 2012, 01:42:11 PM
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured.  I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates.  Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that.  :tup :tup

We should applaud him for following his heart, but we should only be embracing him if we like what he's doing. I appreciate his motives, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the results.

Edit: This is the same reason you don't have to like when music is "mother-fucking psychosane". Obviously that's what the band liked, and not necessarily the fans. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 30, 2012, 01:53:34 PM
To be honest I think too few people appreciate artists trying new things and experimenting with their music. I don't think we should encourage the "making the same album 30 times in your career"-way that some artists are doing, even if we don't like the result, we should at least be able to appreciate the artist going out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: crazyaga on April 30, 2012, 02:20:41 PM
I don't think we should encourage the "making the same album 30 times in your career"-way that some artists are doing.

i find it ironic to see that sentence in a dream theater forum.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2012, 02:30:57 PM
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured.  I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates.  Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that.  :tup :tup

We should applaud him for following his heart, but we should only be embracing him if we like what he's doing. I appreciate his motives, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the results.

No one says you have to enjoy the results, but saying what I bolded above is silly, IMO.  Basically you are saying, "I will not support a musician following his heart if I do not like what it sounds like." That is silly. 

For example, I am not overly fond of Radiohead's last album (I like it, but don't love it), but I give them props for going a different route once again (going minimalist like that) instead of repeating themselves again. 

Rush is another good example.  Many did not like them going the route they did post-Moving Pictures, but you at least had to give them mad props for not continually repeating themselves, which they easily could have done following the success of MP. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on April 30, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
I don't think we should encourage the "making the same album 30 times in your career"-way that some artists are doing.

i find it ironic to see that sentence in a dream theater forum.

Not really, a high percentage of people here grew tired of DT a long time ago, we just hang outside the DT subforum talking about other stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 30, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
I send a lol in the general direction of those who assume everyone here actually thinks that Dream Theater has been remaking the same album for 15 years just because they've "moved on".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 30, 2012, 03:09:26 PM
To be honest I didn't have DT in mind with my post, but they're not exactly the "we have evolved loads"-kind of band. Some people might say that ToT is a heavier album or that FII is a more prog album, but to me they're a band that found their "sound" and have been sticking to it.
There are far more worse examples. AC/DC for example, what is it.. 15-20 same albums?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 30, 2012, 03:09:43 PM
SW's solo albums have been both experimental AND structured.  I hope he keeps going wherever his creativity dictates.  Music artists who follow their hearts completely, as opposed to doing what is expected or what the fans want, are so rare, and we should be embracing a guy like Steven Wilson for that.  :tup :tup

We should applaud him for following his heart, but we should only be embracing him if we like what he's doing. I appreciate his motives, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the results.

No one says you have to enjoy the results, but saying what I bolded above is silly, IMO.  Basically you are saying, "I will not support a musician following his heart if I do not like what it sounds like." That is silly. 

For example, I am not overly fond of Radiohead's last album (I like it, but don't love it), but I give them props for going a different route once again (going minimalist like that) instead of repeating themselves again. 

Rush is another good example.  Many did not like them going the route they did post-Moving Pictures, but you at least had to give them mad props for not continually repeating themselves, which they easily could have done following the success of MP. 

Maybe my wording threw you off, but I think we're a lot closer in our views than your post would have people believe. I agree that kudos can be given for trying something new, but I don't think we should support artists financially or otherwise just because they are trying something new, and that simply it's the artists whose music we are enjoying who should get that support, whether it's something super innovative or relatively safe.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 30, 2012, 03:10:38 PM
To be honest I didn't have DT in mind with my post, but they're not exactly the "we have evolved loads"-kind of band. Some people might say that ToT is a heavier album or that FII is a more prog album, but to me they're a band that found their "sound" and have been sticking to it.
There are far more worse examples. AC/DC for example, what is it.. 15-20 same albums?  :biggrin:

AC/DC is always my example of a band that has that issue.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on May 01, 2012, 02:21:33 AM
I send a lol in the general direction of those who assume everyone here actually thinks that Dream Theater has been remaking the same album for 15 years just because they've "moved on".

I don't know if that was directed at me or not, but that isn't my opinion at all. My comment was just meant to say that even if this is a DT forum there are a lot of people here that no longer listen to them and are often critic of their output (myself included though I try to just not talk about them).

I probably misunderstood both Zantera's and crazyaga's comments anyway so forget anything I said.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Big Hath on May 01, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
even if this is a DT forum there are a lot of people here that no longer listen to them and are often critic of their output (myself included though I try to just not talk about them).

Curious about this.  Approximately when did this happen?  Was it a certain album or run of albums that caused people to sour on them?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 09:17:19 AM
I can only speak for myself, but I guess my taste in music has changed a bit, which caused the "rift". Back when I discovered DT and fell in love with them I was really into bands like Metallica and Maiden, really fast playing and technical solos were something I really loved, so when I found Dream Theater it was like Christmas Eve. Now I don't really enjoy that side of music as much, I can appreciate a good instrumental section, but in some of DT's songs it gets overkill for me when there's a 5 minute instrumental section with a guitar-solo, keyboard solo and everything else. Another point that might be said is that Octavarium, Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds are big disappointments for me. I can still put on 6DOIT, SFAM, Awake and Images for example, and enjoy the music, even if it's not my primarily music style anymore, but everything since ToT has been letting me down. A good song here and there, but an album with ~75 minutes of music where only one or two songs appeal to me, that isn't much. :P

As I said, I can still enjoy DT in small dosages. I think Awake, SFAM and 6DOIT are among the best albums within that style of Progressive Metal, but the genre itself has become very hit or miss for me. So it's not just DT, but I would probably say that there are two sides of Progressive music. One is where the musicians often display how skilled they are with fast solos and complex sections, the songs are often long, and in my opinion long for the sake of being long. The other side has more focus on the differences between songs. A band can be progressive even if the album consists of 4-5 minute long songs, and I think that's something that bands like Porcupine Tree, Anathema and Oceansize (just to name a few) have shown us, even if they also have longer songs. And that side is also more appealing to me.

I also realized that this might count as off topic, but just answering a question. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 01, 2012, 10:31:45 AM
Is it just me or is Steven Wilson's solo work not THAT experimental? I listened to Grace for Drowning yesterday and noticed a lot of SW trademarks.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 10:40:22 AM
Is it just me or is Steven Wilson's solo work not THAT experimental? I listened to Grace for Drowning yesterday and noticed a lot of SW trademarks.

I would probably say that Insurgentes is a bit more experimental. GfD has a more "classic" sound IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on May 01, 2012, 12:27:02 PM
I think Insurgenetes (besides Harmony Korine) is an incredibly experimental, "out-there" album.  GFD isn't so much "experimental" in that it brings a whole bunch of new, cool ideas to the table, though its different for SW to be putting so much emphasis on 70s prog.  The new song is kinda the same way. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 01, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Where's this new song?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on May 01, 2012, 12:54:11 PM
Someone posted it on the last page.  Sounds more like 70s prog than GFD did.

https://soundcloud.com/thechrisgregory/luminol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on May 01, 2012, 01:11:10 PM
even if this is a DT forum there are a lot of people here that no longer listen to them and are often critic of their output (myself included though I try to just not talk about them).

Curious about this.  Approximately when did this happen?  Was it a certain album or run of albums that caused people to sour on them?

Personally I think I just grew out of my progressive rock/metal phase so DT just became stale to me. I still listen to new DT material but they just recently came off my auto-but. I just fell out of love and moved on. Hell it's been years since I sat through an entire DT album.

I however love the community here so I stick around.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on May 01, 2012, 02:45:30 PM
When I joined in 2007, it seemed like there were already quite a few people who had been disillusioned enough with Train of Thought and Octavarium (though I personally still love the latter) that they had started moving on to different bands and their tastes were changing.  Systematic Chaos only solidified that disappointment for a lot of people, I think.  I don't recall BC&SL having such a negative reaction, but outside of the Count response seems to have been pretty mediocre. 

So, yeah, I think its a combination of a lot of users here and at the former DTF.com being disappointed by the albums after 6DoiT (sometimes 6DoiT itself) and users expanding their palates beyond DT and a lot prog metal in general. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 01, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
Is it just me or is Steven Wilson's solo work not THAT experimental? I listened to Grace for Drowning yesterday and noticed a lot of SW trademarks.
Not really.

Unless you consider King Crimson experimental. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on May 01, 2012, 07:20:35 PM
New song is good. I hope he'll keep the electronic elements in the next album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on May 02, 2012, 04:36:14 AM
I'm going to see him tonight, very excited! :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on May 02, 2012, 04:20:41 PM
I'm going to see him tonight, very excited! :)

I just came back from the most awesome concert I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 02, 2012, 09:58:00 PM
That's what I thought too, mang! Like, whoa!  :hat :metal :millahhhh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Index on May 03, 2012, 10:48:54 AM
I saw him last month and this was me after the show. :hefdaddy

My favorite song live has to be No Part of Me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 04, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
Catalog/Preserve/Amass - y u no fade out?

Seriously, the album is so well mixed, but at the end of Raider II, the cheering audience is just clipped off. ARGH SO ANNOYING
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2012, 04:22:12 PM
One thing that bugs me with GfD is that the quiet parts are very quiet, and the loud ones are really loud. This isn't an issue if I listen at home, but it makes GfD almost impossible to spin in the car, Raider II is a good example because if I want to hear the first ~3 minutes, then I will literally blow the roof off when the heavy section kicks in. :P
Catalogue/Preserve/Amass felt more "solid" sound-wise, but perhaps a bit low. (had to turn up the volume quite a bit)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on May 04, 2012, 04:26:10 PM
It's just a choice with the mix. It's more of a jazz mix in that sense. I love it personally.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
It's just a choice with the mix. It's more of a jazz mix in that sense. I love it personally.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with it at home, but it sucks not being able to spin it properly in the car. Some albums (or many albums) have the sort of "works both ways"-mix, but if GfD would have that mix, it's possible that it might have been worse.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on May 04, 2012, 04:40:05 PM
I'm glad he didn't compromise on the mix... yes it sucks on the car etc. but the final product is better that way. So yeah I agree with you :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2012, 04:42:11 PM
It works really well through my speakers, and awesome through headphones. I'm really excited about SW3 to be honest. Insurgentes is really amazing, and Grace For Drowning is even better IMO, so it really makes me excited about the next album.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on May 04, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
It's interesting how people (not you specifically Zantera) complain about the loudness war and mixing/mastering the dynamics out of music and then when you hear a good example of that being taken out you complain you have to use your volume knobs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on May 04, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
True. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2012, 04:59:21 PM
It's interesting how people (not you specifically Zantera) complain about the loudness war and mixing/mastering the dynamics out of music and then when you hear a good example of that being taken out you complain you have to use your volume knobs.

Well, generally I don't really use the volume knobs during an album. When I start it, I put it on a volume that works, and with Grace For Drowning at home it isn't a problem, because I hear the quiet parts and I hear the loud parts. It's only a problem in the car, because I have to crank it up really high if I want to hear the quiet parts of Raider II, and if I have to "adjust" by turning the knob, I have to do it 5-6 times during the song. :P
But it's no problem really, how many people listen to music in the car? Pfft.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on May 04, 2012, 05:00:27 PM
I tried Bath in the car last week, equally horrible. Some stuff just isn't meant to be listened to in a car..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on May 04, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
LIKE YOUR MOM!!!!!!!!!


sorry :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on May 04, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
The quiet parts are supposed to be quiet, and the loud parts are supposed to be loud; that's called dynamics.  :biggrin:

Basically, glauring hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on May 05, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.

This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 05, 2012, 01:34:50 AM
It's interesting how people (not you specifically Zantera) complain about the loudness war and mixing/mastering the dynamics out of music and then when you hear a good example of that being taken out you complain you have to use your volume knobs.

Well, generally I don't really use the volume knobs during an album. When I start it, I put it on a volume that works, and with Grace For Drowning at home it isn't a problem, because I hear the quiet parts and I hear the loud parts. It's only a problem in the car, because I have to crank it up really high if I want to hear the quiet parts of Raider II, and if I have to "adjust" by turning the knob, I have to do it 5-6 times during the song. :P
But it's no problem really, how many people listen to music in the car? Pfft.
I do, it's where I do 90% of my listening, but GFD isn't the best driving music anyways.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 05, 2012, 02:16:43 AM
Yeah the last line was a bit sarcastic. I listen to loads of music in the car. :P

Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 05, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.

This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult.  :lol
But wouldn't it be great if they invented a way to get the CD to do that for you?

Compression is popular for a very, very good reason. It's not 'cos the industry's composed of artless jerks. It's 'cos uncompressed music is a massive pain in the neck for pretty much anyone who doesn't have a soundproof room for listening to music. It's irritating if you're trying to play it on the radio, or if anyone in the house is asleep, or if you're using headphones, or, yes, if you're driving -- it's incredibly inconvenient. It's a sliding scale, yeah, and just as there's such a thing as too little compression there's definitely such a thing as too much. But as soon as you make the decision not to compress an album, you're aiming it squarely at audiophiles, and... well, that's just about it, actually.

It's the difference between making an album designed to be played in the real world, and an album designed to be played in a vacuum. An uncompressed album sounds absolutely great on the off-chance you can shut off all other senses and listen to it in total silence, but in the mad, noisy real world, how often are listeners going to be able to do that - or even going to want to?

'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."

Then again, that's from an ex-radio broadcaster who likes to put music on when I'm going to sleep. There is nothing fun about getting out of bed every couple of seconds and traipsing across the room to play with a volume knob 'cos the artist daren't possibly compromise his art. Nor is there anything fun about playing the majority of a song at half the standard volume just 'cos there's a loud bit at the end and the artist was worried it wouldn't be erratic enough. Frankly, I love a bit of compression, me, and I wish people on the internet would stop going on about it like it's the devil. It's not there for stupid people, or for people who don't understand art - it's there for people who don't have a soundproof room or an hour in the day to spend there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Tyrias on May 05, 2012, 06:08:45 AM
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.

This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult.  :lol

'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."

I do realize that there is too much of a contrast between loud and quiet parts for some people on "Grace For Drowning", but Fear Of a Blank Planet? For me, that is a perfect example of compromising quality and practicality. Besides some parts at the end of My Ashes and Anesthetize everything is reasonable loud, and those 2 parts I mentioned are more of an outro to the songs that would make absolutely no sense to have louder. It's more of a way too calm down in between songs than an actual part of the song, imo. And then, FOABP and Images and Words have about the same dynamic range (which is what all those audiophiles are going on about). I can listen to FOABP when I walk to school along a rather noisy street in the morning, and I still hear pretty much everything in the songs.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your post and you didn't mean to say that FOABP was too quiet.

And another point: Isn't the loudness war all about making things that happen at the same time sound equally loud, and not like on Grace for Drowning where different parts are just mixed at very different volumes? That's a decision that was taken during mixing, not while mastering (and too much mastering is what audiophiles complain about).
Take for example, "Ara batur" by Sigur Ros. The first 7 minutes are really, really quiet and then the volume increases gradually until maximum but it still only has a dynamic range of 7 db (that's the official value), which is not more than on the last Dream Theater album and a lot less than on Images And Words.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on May 05, 2012, 06:12:19 AM
Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.

Well, if you're drying on the highway the quiet parts are barely audible. Then again, it was also in a car with crappy speakers and Bath is just one of those CDs that has to be listened to with full attention. idk, it didn't work for me in the car.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 05, 2012, 06:38:00 AM
Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.

Well, if you're drying on the highway the quiet parts are barely audible. Then again, it was also in a car with crappy speakers and Bath is just one of those CDs that has to be listened to with full attention. idk, it didn't work for me in the car.

Ah. I was driving through the forest when I spinned it. The highway is not good for some music styles, I can't imagine ambient or minimalistic music, or music with very quiet quiet-parts. The "buzz" from driving on the highway and the other traffic, takes away some of the sound sadly.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.

This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult.  :lol
But wouldn't it be great if they invented a way to get the CD to do that for you?

Compression is popular for a very, very good reason. It's not 'cos the industry's composed of artless jerks. It's 'cos uncompressed music is a massive pain in the neck for pretty much anyone who doesn't have a soundproof room for listening to music. It's irritating if you're trying to play it on the radio, or if anyone in the house is asleep, or if you're using headphones, or, yes, if you're driving -- it's incredibly inconvenient. It's a sliding scale, yeah, and just as there's such a thing as too little compression there's definitely such a thing as too much. But as soon as you make the decision not to compress an album, you're aiming it squarely at audiophiles, and... well, that's just about it, actually.

It's the difference between making an album designed to be played in the real world, and an album designed to be played in a vacuum. An uncompressed album sounds absolutely great on the off-chance you can shut off all other senses and listen to it in total silence, but in the mad, noisy real world, how often are listeners going to be able to do that - or even going to want to?

'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."

Then again, that's from an ex-radio broadcaster who likes to put music on when I'm going to sleep. There is nothing fun about getting out of bed every couple of seconds and traipsing across the room to play with a volume knob 'cos the artist daren't possibly compromise his art. Nor is there anything fun about playing the majority of a song at half the standard volume just 'cos there's a loud bit at the end and the artist was worried it wouldn't be erratic enough. Frankly, I love a bit of compression, me, and I wish people on the internet would stop going on about it like it's the devil. It's not there for stupid people, or for people who don't understand art - it's there for people who don't have a soundproof room or an hour in the day to spend there.

I hear a lot of what you are saying, but there is nothing wrong with an artist like Wilson making a 100% selfish decision as far as how his music sounds.  And people go on about compression like it is the devil because many artists go overboard with it, and it often cripples the overall sound.  For example, I love Muse, but the great majority of their music is compressed so much that if I am listening to different artists on random play and a song of theirs comes on, more often than not, the stifling effect of all of the compression they used is so aggravating, I will often skip over the song, even if it is one of theirs I really love.  Basically, Muse is a band I need to listen to on their own and not amongst other artists.  On the flip side, during those random play sessions, whenever a song comes on involving any of Steven Wilson projects (PT, solo, Blackfield, etc.), it becomes even more obvious how great his stuff sounds and how much attention he puts in to making his music sound as good and as dynamic as possible.  This is a good thing. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on May 05, 2012, 08:53:58 AM
Elite @ You didn't like Bath in the car? I spinned it in the car a few days ago, didn't really mention anything bad with it.

Well, if you're drying on the highway the quiet parts are barely audible. Then again, it was also in a car with crappy speakers and Bath is just one of those CDs that has to be listened to with full attention. idk, it didn't work for me in the car.

Ah. I was driving through the forest when I spinned it. The highway is not good for some music styles, I can't imagine ambient or minimalistic music, or music with very quiet quiet-parts. The "buzz" from driving on the highway and the other traffic, takes away some of the sound sadly.

Exactly, music in the car can be very soothing, but the highway definitely isn't fit for all music. I actually had the same with Grace for Drowning. That didn't work at all in the car too, like you said.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 05, 2012, 09:31:36 AM
I hear a lot of what you are saying, but there is nothing wrong with an artist like Wilson making a 100% selfish decision as far as how his music sounds.  And people go on about compression like it is the devil because many artists go overboard with it, and it often cripples the overall sound.  For example, I love Muse, but the great majority of their music is compressed so much that if I am listening to different artists on random play and a song of theirs comes on, more often than not, the stifling effect of all of the compression they used is so aggravating, I will often skip over the song, even if it is one of theirs I really love.  Basically, Muse is a band I need to listen to on their own and not amongst other artists.  On the flip side, during those random play sessions, whenever a song comes on involving any of Steven Wilson projects (PT, solo, Blackfield, etc.), it becomes even more obvious how great his stuff sounds and how much attention he puts in to making his music sound as good and as dynamic as possible.  This is a good thing. :tup :tup
Oh, totally! And everyone's tolerance threshold is set somewhere different -- but if any album was built for low compression, it was Grace for Drowning, totally. And I'd be one of the first people to say that too much compression is a bad thing. It eliminates emphasis, turns everything into a uniform wall of noise. I'd also say that undercompression is more easily remedied than overcompression. If something's undercompressed, you can slap a bit more on with Audacity. If something's overcompressed, it's destroyed. So it's a perfectly sensible thing to be annoyed with.

What I'm mostly bothered by is the way it's become a sort of catchphrase criticism. The attitude, in very broad strokes, tends to be that uncompressed music is High Art™ for Sophisticated Listeners™ whereas compressed music is slop for pigs. Which is, if you'll pardon my french, a load of old bollocks. A sensible artist will go for all things in moderation. Undercompressed music is frequently every bit as irritating as overcompressed music. Undercompression doesn't, by definition, make everything sound nice any more than overcompression makes it sound nice. There are places for both, (and, again, GfD is absolutely one of them,) but it's so situational that I think there is a lot of misplaced ire against an absolutely cracking bit of music tech.

So I would argue that "as dynamic as possible" is not necessarily synonymous with "a good thing" any more than "as flat as possible" is. A bit of balance would be a fine thing. (In Absentia or Deadwing, for example, are much easier listens than FoaBP for the sake of a bit of compression!)

I don't know, I think having to use a volume knob is a pretty small price to pay for a great sounding album.

This. I mean, after the first two listens or so you have a pretty good idea what parts are loud and what parts are quiet. If I need to turn up the soft parts, I just turn it down right before the loud part kicks back in. Not too difficult.  :lol

'Course, all this is fine on an album like Grace for Drowning which is wildly self-indulgent and has basically zero commercial appeal whatsoever. Not so forgivable on an album like Fear of a Blank Planet, which should be a lot more digestible, and had a fairly decent marketing campaign. It's 100% a selfish artist thing. Understandable, given Steven Wilson's opinions on how people should listen to music. But so, so impractical. It's a balancing act, sure, and on a few albums less would have been more, but I've never listened to, say, Surrounded, and gone "I wish this loud bit came in a lot louder."

I do realize that there is too much of a contrast between loud and quiet parts for some people on "Grace For Drowning", but Fear Of a Blank Planet? For me, that is a perfect example of compromising quality and practicality. Besides some parts at the end of My Ashes and Anesthetize everything is reasonable loud, and those 2 parts I mentioned are more of an outro to the songs that would make absolutely no sense to have louder. It's more of a way too calm down in between songs than an actual part of the song, imo. And then, FOABP and Images and Words have about the same dynamic range (which is what all those audiophiles are going on about). I can listen to FOABP when I walk to school along a rather noisy street in the morning, and I still hear pretty much everything in the songs.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your post and you didn't mean to say that FOABP was too quiet.
Not seen the waveforms, but the title track comes to mind in particular, 'cos I've listened to it at night and had to keep getting up to fiddle with the volume. Volume too low, ambient noise would drown out the acoustic bits. Volume too high, I'd run the risk of waking the house up. Which is precisely the reason compression exists in the first place.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 05, 2012, 09:40:27 AM
Or! Shorter version! Again, very broadly speaking...

A little bit of volume-fiddling is fine. A bit of dynamic range is excellent, and a good master might require a little bit of precision - maybe the first minute or two to properly calibrate. If you have to constantly fiddle, though, that's not the price you pay for a good master, that's a symptom of a fairly bad one.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on May 05, 2012, 09:40:41 AM
I tried Bath in the car last week, equally horrible. Some stuff just isn't meant to be listened to in a car..

Wouldn't taking a bath in a car be messy anyways? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on May 05, 2012, 09:50:27 AM
While I can tell the difference between compressed tracks, I'm not sure I can say I've ever listened to something and been like "god this is too compressed". It just doesn't register with me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 05, 2012, 10:12:03 AM
^ it's really about familiarity. if you take the next 3 months and listen only to the HDtracks version of ADTOE, then you try any song on the CD version, you'll hear it instantly when it gets loud. also note that it's generally easier to hearing compressors 'pumping' if you have the volume lower (i.e. you can talk over the music to someone).

it's even more alien when you track, then mix music yourself in a professional setting, then you put a compressor on the whole mix. even subtle settings will make it obvious.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on May 05, 2012, 10:58:34 AM
Yeah, that's my point. It's not something where you can just listen to a song for the first time and recognize the compression (at least for me). Hence, I'm really not too bothered by it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 05, 2012, 11:06:04 AM
I don't really pay attention to compression either. I noticed that Fear of a Blank Planet was mentioned, but I haven't had any problems with it. There are a few albums that are made in the way that quiet parts are really quiet and loud parts are really loud, and that's something I've noticed on a few albums when I've spinned them in the car.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TL on May 05, 2012, 11:09:27 AM
One of the worst eras for overcompressed/overly loud albums seems to have been the late 90s/early 2000s. The past half decade or so has, in my opinion, actually seen a very encouraging trend of better mastering, and more dynamic sounding albums.

There are plenty of albums from the early 2000s where I listen and think "This song would sound great if they had actually mixed and mastered it properly".

My general rule of thumb is, do I notice the compression on my own, and does it significantly detract from the listening experience? There's a big distinction for be between 'I wish this was mastered better' and 'This is difficult to listen to because of the compression'.


With Grace For Drowning, I absolutely love the sound production on it. To be fair, it's definitely not the kind of album I would listen to in the car. Honestly, when I'm listening to music on the road, I tend to go for things with fewer subtleties, because a certain amount of the sound is just going to get washed out by ambient/wind noise anyway.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2012, 11:12:40 AM
I hear a lot of what you are saying, but there is nothing wrong with an artist like Wilson making a 100% selfish decision as far as how his music sounds.  And people go on about compression like it is the devil because many artists go overboard with it, and it often cripples the overall sound.  For example, I love Muse, but the great majority of their music is compressed so much that if I am listening to different artists on random play and a song of theirs comes on, more often than not, the stifling effect of all of the compression they used is so aggravating, I will often skip over the song, even if it is one of theirs I really love.  Basically, Muse is a band I need to listen to on their own and not amongst other artists.  On the flip side, during those random play sessions, whenever a song comes on involving any of Steven Wilson projects (PT, solo, Blackfield, etc.), it becomes even more obvious how great his stuff sounds and how much attention he puts in to making his music sound as good and as dynamic as possible.  This is a good thing. :tup :tup
Oh, totally! And everyone's tolerance threshold is set somewhere different -- but if any album was built for low compression, it was Grace for Drowning, totally. And I'd be one of the first people to say that too much compression is a bad thing. It eliminates emphasis, turns everything into a uniform wall of noise. I'd also say that undercompression is more easily remedied than overcompression. If something's undercompressed, you can slap a bit more on with Audacity. If something's overcompressed, it's destroyed. So it's a perfectly sensible thing to be annoyed with.

What I'm mostly bothered by is the way it's become a sort of catchphrase criticism. The attitude, in very broad strokes, tends to be that uncompressed music is High Art™ for Sophisticated Listeners™ whereas compressed music is slop for pigs. Which is, if you'll pardon my french, a load of old bollocks. A sensible artist will go for all things in moderation. Undercompressed music is frequently every bit as irritating as overcompressed music. Undercompression doesn't, by definition, make everything sound nice any more than overcompression makes it sound nice. There are places for both, (and, again, GfD is absolutely one of them,) but it's so situational that I think there is a lot of misplaced ire against an absolutely cracking bit of music tech.

So I would argue that "as dynamic as possible" is not necessarily synonymous with "a good thing" any more than "as flat as possible" is. A bit of balance would be a fine thing. (In Absentia or Deadwing, for example, are much easier listens than FoaBP for the sake of a bit of compression!)
 

I totally agree that things are good in moderation, even a little bit of compression at times, but the problem is that too many artists take it to the extreme, and there is nothing worse than good albums slightly tainted by too much compression.  It is like taking a great meal and sprinkling some bad seasoning all over it.  Sure, the meal might still taste mostly really good, but there is that extra something everywhere that kind of takes away from the overall enjoyment of it, and that is what albums that are too compressed do for me more often than not.  That is why I would always rather see artists error on the side of not much or no compression than too much.

FYI, one of the worst offenders of this in recent years was the last U2 album, No Line on the Horizon.  Good album, but one I rarely listen to anymore simply because at times it sounds like the music is being choked to death by the compression. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ZBomber on May 05, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
While I can tell the difference between compressed tracks, I'm not sure I can say I've ever listened to something and been like "god this is too compressed". It just doesn't register with me.

Have you ever listened to Vapor Trails by Rush or Death Magnetic by Metallica? Those are the two worst offenders that I know of, and after listening to either album for more than a song I get a headache.

The new Volta album is compressed to hell too. There is nothing wrong with compression when used properly (almost every album has some level of compression), but there are far too many great alums that were mixed to be listened to on ipods/in the "real world". I don't think that is very fair to people like me who do most of my listening in my home. With ipods you can always boost the volume, and when you hit the max there are EQ settings that let you give your music a boost if you really cant hear it over everything else. There is no way to decompress an album after the fact. And worst comes to worst, you can't hear a couple of the quieter parts on the train. I don't think artists should have to over compress their music just so people on the bus don't have to fidget around with the volume.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on May 13, 2012, 10:01:10 AM
Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU

Just watched it...amazing. I hope more of SW3 is like this. I enjoyed GFD more than Insurgentes, but both are still pretty hard to get in to. "Luminol", however, kept my interest!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 13, 2012, 04:03:44 PM
I wish Steven didn't continue with the GFD vibe. It worked for one album, but I'd like to see him continue to experiment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on May 13, 2012, 06:04:11 PM
Well, we already know the new album is going to sound different.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Gorille85 on May 13, 2012, 06:21:13 PM
We do?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU

Just watched it...amazing. I hope more of SW3 is like this. I enjoyed GFD more than Insurgentes, but both are still pretty hard to get in to. "Luminol", however, kept my interest!

-Marc.

Sounds great, but I noticed the vocal section that was at the beginning of the song in that version we first got a few weeks ago is gone from this newer live version.  Makes me wonder how many more changes it will endure before being recorded for the next studio album (assuming it is slated for that).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2012, 10:58:45 PM
Scratch that.  That vocal section is still there.  I listened to it again and it was there.  I must have been momentarily distracted on my first run through. :facepalm: :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on May 13, 2012, 11:32:17 PM
We do?

This most recent leg of the tour has heard a song from the upcoming album.

Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MondayMorningLunatic on May 14, 2012, 12:05:18 AM
Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU

Just watched it...amazing. I hope more of SW3 is like this. I enjoyed GFD more than Insurgentes, but both are still pretty hard to get in to. "Luminol", however, kept my interest!

Those are legit like the weirdest stage moves I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 16, 2012, 02:28:14 PM
We do?

This most recent leg of the tour has heard a song from the upcoming album.

Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Yeah, but Luminol sounds like something that could be off GFD. It's not really a new direction.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Rubbish. What, just because he is still using a mellotron, it automatically sounds like Grace for Downing material?  What song on GFD has the kind of guitar playing that is in Luminol? 

And besides, who cares?  SW doesn't have to completely changed his sound to still experiment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 16, 2012, 03:01:54 PM
Yeah, that's fucking nuts. Luminol is hardly anything like the material on GFD for the vast majority of the song. Does it have influences, nuances and tone that were present on GFD? Yes it does, but that doesn't make it GFD-esque. Now, granted, I'd prefer if the songs on the next album were even a bit more of a distance away from what Luminol is, but that isn't to say I don't like it; on the contrary, it's downright orgasmic. I really wouldn't mind if the next album went down the same path that GFD did, but more diverse and even more experimental, but it would be nice to get something that just blows us away and comes out of nowhere. That's expecting a bit much though now that we're on our second (upcoming third) solo album by the man. We should know just about what to expect and how different it's going to be. That said, this is going to be the album to solidify his solo career (or stall it). After this, it could go anywhere. That thought is very boner-inducing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2012, 03:07:43 PM
I agree with most of that.  I mean, what if he gives us another great album that is just like GFD?  That is bad somehow?  Cripes, how dare he gives us another album full of great music!  The bastard! :lol 

Honestly, are some of us so spoiled that we bitch and moan if a musician doesn't reinvent the wheel every time they release something new? ??? ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on May 16, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
We do?

This most recent leg of the tour has heard a song from the upcoming album.

Here's a great video of Luminol live -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8sUoPJDTxU
Yeah, but Luminol sounds like something that could be off GFD. It's not really a new direction.

Did you even listen to it? It's almost completely different.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 17, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
Yeah, I listened to it about 4 times. It sounds like it would fit on GFD.

It won't be bad if we get a GFD pt 2, but I won't prefer it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on May 17, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
It's definitely Wilson-esque, but it doesn't sound very GfD to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 17, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
All the links to Luminol are dead.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on June 15, 2012, 07:44:39 AM
Got a copy of the uber super deluxe Grace for Drowning today, Burning Shed had a few in stock :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on June 15, 2012, 09:49:03 AM
All the links to Luminol are dead.
Steven has been on the ball taking these links down. Makes me proud.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on June 15, 2012, 10:40:11 AM
Got a copy of the uber super deluxe Grace for Drowning today, Burning Shed had a few in stock :)

It's really nice. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on June 28, 2012, 01:48:47 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=435514783135456&set=a.121603464526591.14146.114657261887878&type=1
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on June 29, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
Damn you Steven!!! :getoffmylawn:

 :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on July 03, 2012, 02:17:28 PM
Well since no one has posted anything about it besides the cover of the new live DVD/Blu-ray, I might as well put all the info that is available out there.

(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/582110_435514783135456_722302096_n.jpg)
Steven Wilson "Get All You Deserve" DVD/Blu-Ray.
There will also be an edition with the full concert included on 2 audio CDs.
Release date is September 25th. Filmed at the Teatro Metropolitan in Mexico City with 17 high definition cameras.

Update: Tweet from Steven about a preview: "We are going to release an online preview song from the live DVD/Blu-Ray on Thursday. Looks beautiful, Lasse has done a great job!"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on July 03, 2012, 03:40:59 PM
I so want that. :heart
 
I would've posted that up, but I've got a LOT of crap going on IRL right now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Silver Tears on July 03, 2012, 03:53:48 PM
Ooooh noice!

Hope you're ok Deb  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on July 03, 2012, 05:28:22 PM
Thanks heaps, Tahlia. :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 03, 2012, 06:38:56 PM
Can't wait for the DVD/CD! Too bad the cover wasn't better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on July 03, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
I think the cover is pretty awesome and represents tour pretty well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 03, 2012, 06:52:33 PM
I think the cover is pretty awesome and represents tour pretty well.
Its not terrible but I prefer the "organic" orange/black covers from Insurgentes/Grace For Drowning. The C/P/A cover was pretty cool as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 04, 2012, 01:22:11 AM
I think the cover is pretty awesome and represents tour pretty well.

My thoughts exactly. Don't mind the man behind the curtain.  :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 05, 2012, 09:03:40 AM
Steven Wilson - Official page
Here is the first preview video from the forthcoming "Get All You Deserve" DVD/Blu-ray to be released by Kscope on 25th September. This performance of Harmony Korine was filmed at the Teatro Metropolitan in Mexico City on 13th April - the DVD/Blu-Ray will include the whole 2 hour performance, and a special edition will also include the show on 2 audio CDs. We have launched a brand new official SW YouTube channel along with this video, so head to the channel and subscribe to be informed of future videos. The special edition DVD/Blu-Ray/2 CD version is now available to pre-order from Burning Shed: www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzs068VEoeo&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on July 05, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
The drums sound very raw, so I hope they do something about that, but otherwise it seems really good!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 05, 2012, 10:24:40 AM
From SW

"Something has gone wrong with the audio on the currently uploaded live clip, we're just fixing it and will upload a new version shortly. Sorry about that!"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 06, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
The drums sound very raw, so I hope they do something about that, but otherwise it seems really good!
i doubt it — this, combined with SW's lacklustre live distorted guitar tone on basically every live album, instantly drops my interest in buying this release.

however, Coma Divine is getting reissued on vinyl in September. now that is how a live album should sound!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on July 06, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
Steven Wilson - Official page
Here is the first preview video from the forthcoming "Get All You Deserve" DVD/Blu-ray to be released by Kscope on 25th September. This performance of Harmony Korine was filmed at the Teatro Metropolitan in Mexico City on 13th April - the DVD/Blu-Ray will include the whole 2 hour performance, and a special edition will also include the show on 2 audio CDs. We have launched a brand new official SW YouTube channel along with this video, so head to the channel and subscribe to be informed of future videos. The special edition DVD/Blu-Ray/2 CD version is now available to pre-order from Burning Shed: www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson (https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzs068VEoeo&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzs068VEoeo&feature=plcp)

Watched that earlier this morning - it's still amazing, even with the "audio issues".  MUST to get this!!! :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on July 06, 2012, 11:59:39 AM
Pre-Ordered the Limited Edition last night. At only $47.00 total after shipping, it's a steal for a DVD, BRD and 2 CDs, especially considering the type of lavish packaging SW is known for. Definitely a lot cheaper than Anesthetize, but that big book is an amazing piece to own, so I'm glad I got that.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2012, 12:04:39 PM
Anyone else notice how SW likes releasing live DVDs/Blu-Rays that are named after songs from the project he is touring on:

Arriving Somewhere... (a shortened version of Arriving Somewhere But Not Here)
Anesthetize
Get All You Deserve
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on July 06, 2012, 12:08:00 PM
Well, yeah, but it's not like it's a bad thing or anything. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 06, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
i think he likes to use titles of songs that would do well as the 'title track' of the release had their albums not used other titles. thus, they become title tracks too, just for a different, related release.

actually, he kinda did this with Grace for Drowning by naming the discs after tracks (even the disc of b-sides!) to emphasize their separation.

speaking of GFD titles — anybody remember the 'confusion' over disc titles when the first announcements were made? they were all song pairs like the final titles, but with different songs; i remember one pair was Sectarian/Raider, but there was at lease one more pair i can't recall. it may have been Postcard/Index.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on July 18, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
"HI folks - an update of sorts.... The writing for the next SW album is almost finished, and this time I've written it all for my live band to play, mostly pretty long pieces (including the piece we previewed on the recent tour "Luminol"). We will start recording in LA in September with Alan Parsons overseeing things. Alan, as I'm sure many of you know, was the engineer on Dark Side of the Moon, one of the best sounding records ever. The new album should be out in early 2013, and conceptually and visually we are planning to take things to the next level with the packaging and live show too. Lasse is also going to be there to film so we plan to bring you some in the studio footage on the official SW YouTube channel. Just a reminder that at the moment you can watch a preview from the forthcoming SW band live DVD/Blu-ray "Get All You Deserve" on the channel, follow the link below...."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Index on July 18, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
"HI folks - an update of sorts.... The writing for the next SW album is almost finished, and this time I've written it all for my live band to play, mostly pretty long pieces (including the piece we previewed on the recent tour "Luminol"). We will start recording in LA in September with Alan Parsons overseeing things. Alan, as I'm sure many of you know, was the engineer on Dark Side of the Moon, one of the best sounding records ever. The new album should be out in early 2013, and conceptually and visually we are planning to take things to the next level with the packaging and live show too. Lasse is also going to be there to film so we plan to bring you some in the studio footage on the official SW YouTube channel. Just a reminder that at the moment you can watch a preview from the forthcoming SW band live DVD/Blu-ray "Get All You Deserve" on the channel, follow the link below...."
Sounds good!! :tup I am sure it will blow everything else to the ground that he has done (solo wise). I hope he just condenses all the material into one album this time though. Don't get me wrong I love double albums but I don't want it to become something we will always expect from the guy.

Oh, and I miss PT. I hope he makes some time next year for it. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on July 18, 2012, 05:47:52 PM
Honestly, as long as he's doing something, I'm excited for it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on July 18, 2012, 11:13:30 PM
Excellent news. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on July 18, 2012, 11:45:55 PM
Excellent news. :tup :tup

^
Mmmmhm! Awesome blossom! Especially the 'mostly longer pieces' part.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 19, 2012, 12:49:46 AM
Great news indeed, but after that I'd like Steven to turn to PT again.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 19, 2012, 01:53:04 AM
I'm really excited about the new album. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on July 19, 2012, 02:09:56 AM
Great news indeed, but after that I'd like Steven to turn to PT again.

Yeah, but if another solo record = a happier Steven then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jirpo on July 19, 2012, 02:55:19 AM
I prefer if he keeps with his solo stuff - I find it more interesting.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 19, 2012, 03:18:28 AM
I don't mind his solo stuff, in fact I like it a lot but:

Most PT records > Solo Stuff > some PT records
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on July 19, 2012, 03:22:51 AM
Grace for drowning was really good, so I'm looking forward to his new solo album. Hopefully it's even better.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 19, 2012, 03:23:27 AM
I prefer if he keeps with his solo stuff - I find it more interesting.

I actually agree with this. Don't get me wrong, a new PT album would make me excited like crazy, but GfD and Insurgentes are among his best albums, and with his solo-stuff he isn't limited music-wise like he is in PT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Index on July 19, 2012, 09:37:53 AM
True, and as long as he is excited and passionate about this music it will always turn out great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: AMindBesideItself on August 11, 2012, 07:22:56 AM
Anyone watch the video of Luminol that just came out? Fuckin' amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3MpGBwGdVk
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 11, 2012, 07:49:46 AM
Love the music, but I find Steve Wilson's stage presence to be pretty off-putting. Can't really explain why. I'd still love to see him in concert, but what I've seen from most of his DVDs has pretty much been the defining factor in my not deciding to buy them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 11, 2012, 11:48:49 AM
His style live is stiff and intense, I've noticed. Minimal body motions, but intense facial expressions. Everything is very purposeful and intentional - he's not the guy that will let go.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on August 11, 2012, 11:55:39 AM
His stage presence on his solo tour was completely different from his presence with PT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ultimetalhead on August 11, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
He gets fairly animated on Anesthetize, from what I remember. Mostly during heavy bits.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 11, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
I've seen him solo and with PT and Blackfield in the past 2 years. I couldn't believe how different he acted on stage solo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: AMindBesideItself on August 11, 2012, 01:32:21 PM
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on August 11, 2012, 01:57:53 PM
Isn't that a very important part of the concert experience?

I agree that he seems very animated on Anesthetize, he's really headbanging on some heavy bits. I still need to check out this video from his solo tour, lets see if he's really that different on his solo shows...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on August 11, 2012, 02:10:59 PM
His solo persona was TOTALLY different from the three times I'd seen it before.

I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?

If you're seeing someone perform live, it's part of the experience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on August 11, 2012, 03:17:25 PM
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?

Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar... Everybody cares at least a bit about stage presence it's an important part of concert experience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: AMindBesideItself on August 11, 2012, 05:30:28 PM
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?

Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar

I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 11, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
His style live is stiff and intense, I've noticed. Minimal body motions, but intense facial expressions. Everything is very purposeful and intentional - he's not the guy that will let go.

Yeah exactly. With this new stuff,  though, it looks like he's over-correcting. He's moving around and stamping his fee and waving his hands in the air. But it still feels really pre-planned and not spontaneous at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on August 11, 2012, 07:24:24 PM
I went back and revisited Raider II and I really like it. Very disturbing lyrically (I wish there were more lyrics because when SW writes about a murderer, it gets intense.)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on August 12, 2012, 02:30:53 AM
Just watched that Luminol clip.

I have no idea what the fuck happened. I guess it was pretty awesome, though.  :lol And yeah, Steven's really acting different. He looks like conductor most of the time, waving his hands and moving around the stage from one member to another. It looks fun.  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 12, 2012, 02:32:03 AM
His stage performance on the solo tour was indeed very different from how he was on stage when I saw PT. It was almost like he was conducting and the band was his orchestra, looked a bit funny at times. But it's pretty much the best concert I've seen, so if you get the chance to see him, DO IT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on August 12, 2012, 08:08:24 AM
Just watched that Luminol clip.

I have no idea what the fuck happened. I guess it was pretty awesome, though.  :lol And yeah, Steven's really acting different. He looks like conductor most of the time, waving his hands and moving around the stage from one member to another. It looks fun.  ;D

Yeah, but it seemed kinda fake to me. Like him running up and signalling the flute player to play, as if he wasn't going to already. Being the "conductor" doesn't really work when you're part of the band but, I dunno... I guess I'd have to see it in person.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on August 12, 2012, 11:13:21 AM
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?

Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar

I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
Oh, right, because live performances compromise artistic integrity.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: AMindBesideItself on August 12, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?

Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar

I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
Oh, right, because live performances compromise artistic integrity.

What? All I'm saying is that artist's need to do what they need to do. Who cares if Steven is "stiff"? That's just a superficial, nitpicky criticism.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on August 12, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
I honestly couldn't give a fuck about his stage presence. Who cares?

Are you serious? That means that you wouldn't care if he would sit on chair through whole show and wouldn't ever look into audience and he would just sing and play his guitar

I wouldn't have a problem with that. I care solely about the music.
Oh, right, because live performances compromise artistic integrity.

What? All I'm saying is that artist's need to do what they need to do. Who cares if Steven is "stiff"? That's just a superficial, nitpicky criticism.
Well, part of going to a live performance is to see, well, a performance.  Criticisms of Steven being stiff are entirely justified IMO.  If I just wanted to listen to the music, I have the album for that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 12, 2012, 11:55:12 AM
A great frontman/stage performer is someone who is so good on stage that you can't take your eyes off of them most of the time no matter what else is going on up there.

Great examples of such musicians are Freddie Mercury, Bono, Mick Jagger, Bruce Springsteeen, Rob Halford, Bruce Dickinson, Peter Gabriel and David Bowie.

Steven Wilson is not a good example of that.  I think he does a good job up there considering he doesn't have that "showman" personality, but I don't anyone but some of the most diehard SW/PT fans would call him anything more than an average frontman/stage performer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 12, 2012, 04:55:37 PM
the difference being that SW isn't there to perform. the emphasis is on creating and producing and engineering with him, whereas an example like Freddie Mercury was all about performing. the difference is vast and obvious — there's nothing composed in the PT/SW canon designed for a performance spectacle, which is why the live show is about visuals accompanying the music rather than the individuals on stage (though he's made the show more focal on his backing musicians at points, at least compared to PT).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on August 12, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
Considering how much his energy on his solo tour added to the show when compared to PT's live show, I'd definitely say his stage presence is an important part of the experience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on August 12, 2012, 11:03:26 PM
the difference being that SW isn't there to perform. the emphasis is on creating and producing and engineering with him, whereas an example like Freddie Mercury was all about performing. the difference is vast and obvious — there's nothing composed in the PT/SW canon designed for a performance spectacle, which is why the live show is about visuals accompanying the music rather than the individuals on stage (though he's made the show more focal on his backing musicians at points, at least compared to PT).

Your logic and sense is making me horny.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on September 06, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Steven Wilson won some award: https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-wins-guiding-light-award-at-the-2012-prog-awards/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on September 06, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Congrats to Steven. And that looks like a great award ceremony, how come I didn't hear about it until now? Was Dream Theater nominated in one of the categories?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 06, 2012, 11:57:58 AM
Pre-ordered the 2CD/DVD/BluRay version of Get All You Deserve today. Pro stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zook on September 06, 2012, 12:07:39 PM
Congrats for winning the most pretentious award Steven!

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on September 06, 2012, 03:14:12 PM
So the most progressive award, pretty much?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on September 06, 2012, 03:17:45 PM
I like how that website calls it "one of the most prestigious awards in progressive music" when this is, IIRC the first annual Prog Rock awards.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 16, 2012, 07:26:25 AM
I'm listening to Catalogue/Preserve/Amass on Vinyl right now, and I still can't get over how much I love this, and Grace For Drowning. It's easily my favorite out of all the albums he has done, and if SW3 is a continuation of GfD, I'll be super-excited for it. Raider II is a masterpiece (every second of it), Deform to Form a Star is possibly his best "catchy" tune, Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye is just gorgeous, so many awesome tunes.

Also, I just love the artwork. I'd say Catalogue/Preserve/Amass has one of my favorite covers, GfD is great as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on September 16, 2012, 07:30:18 AM
I think SW3 is the thing I'm most excited about for next year.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on September 16, 2012, 10:48:49 AM
Same here.

Oh, and yesterday I watched the video for Track one for the first time. What can I say, I was like this :D, then like this  :omg: and then finally like this  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on September 17, 2012, 08:54:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTiLoiyHDRI&feature=player_embedded

First day in the studio - setting up and recording.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 18, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
smileTASTIC! I fucking cannot wait. I've got butterflies in my stomach from watching that. Reminded me of my time in LA, watching the show with good 'ole Jackie. What a show, and Luminol was the highlight of it all. This album is going to be insane; that video spells that much out for us, with all the talent involed and the mind of Wilson constructing it. I love that we have no idea what we're going to get. It could have some semblence of GFD in it, or it could be completely out of left field and every track is as nuts as Luminol, which would be awesomely amazing.

P.S. Marco is a god damn drum master.

WOOOOWOOOO I WANT THIS NOW!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on September 18, 2012, 01:15:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tepmJdFYiqI

Day 2 - recording "The Watchmaker" (has SW been listening to Rush this year? :lol )

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Tyrias on September 18, 2012, 01:16:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tepmJdFYiqI

2nd day in studio -  and we get some new snippets from a new song!!!! ;D :D (including an awesome guitar solo)
edit: ninja'd.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on September 18, 2012, 06:10:33 PM
I'm probably going to like this album a lot. I love the classic prog sound they are creating. And having Alan fucking Parsons producing the album will give it a nice boost.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 19, 2012, 02:08:35 AM
They seem to have an awesome time in the studio, and the small samples sounds great. I don't think there's an album for 2013 that I'm more excited about, SW3 will be awesome.

Also, at 00:49 in the second clip, is that an iPhone SW is using?  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on September 19, 2012, 03:48:26 AM
Looks like recoding with that band is a scream, especially if they happen to fall over.

OH NO
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 27, 2012, 10:32:16 PM
Anyone else get their Get All You Deserve Blu-Ray (or DVD) yet?  I got mine today.  I watched a few songs and they looked pretty sweet.  Will watch the whole thing sometime in the next week with a friend on his super-duper big screen. :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on September 28, 2012, 12:05:06 AM
My parents got it in their mailbox. I think I got the blu-ray. So when I come home for christmas I can watch it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 28, 2012, 05:25:50 AM
Anyone else get their Get All You Deserve Blu-Ray (or DVD) yet?  I got mine today.  I watched a few songs and they looked pretty sweet.  Will watch the whole thing sometime in the next week with a friend on his super-duper big screen. :hat

I picked it up.  Been listening to the 2 disks at work and in the car.  Haven't had the chance to watch the Blu Ray.  Man I can't wait.  This weekend I'll get it in.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 28, 2012, 06:34:06 AM
I haven't watched it, but I've listened to it twice. Awesome as expected.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ich bin besser on September 28, 2012, 06:36:14 AM
Yeah, got it today in Germany. I hope to watch it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 28, 2012, 05:39:01 PM
I got mine Tuesday. I listened to it 3 times and I'm going to watch it over the weekend.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2012, 11:00:51 PM
Raider II is absolutely bananas live, but I think it would have been better served not playing the last two minutes.  After that crazy bombastic "fake" ending, the song ends with that ambient section, which is fine for in the studio, but live that "fake" ending would have a tremendous ending to the set, instead of giving that impression of dragging the song on a bit too long.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 30, 2012, 02:26:35 AM
Raider II is such a brilliant song. It took it's time to grow, but man it is awesome. The "I'M RAIDER"-part during the climax is mindblowing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2012, 04:13:58 AM
The Blu Ray is mind blowing.  The wife and I were watching it with our jaws wide open like Looney Toons characters.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on September 30, 2012, 05:55:06 PM
Just finished watching the DVD - AMAZING show, great shots and awesome performances, and you really get a feel of how cinematic the whole concert experience is, especially with how little Steven talks between songs (if at all, I think the only time was before "Raider II"). Every performer on the stage is incredible, and watching this DVD has me hyped up for SW's third solo album, because this band is stellar.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 01, 2012, 07:14:16 AM
So I'm a bit late getting to this album. It's great, but I still need more listens!


How would y'all rank the songs?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 01, 2012, 07:23:34 AM
I can't imagine calling anything my least favorite from it, so ranking the songs would be next to impossible for me.  I do know that my favorites are probably Deform to Form a Star, Raider II, Remainder the Black Dog and No Part of Me, but I love everything else, too.  If his next solo album is even close to this good, I will be one happy guy. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2012, 07:41:43 AM
Yeah, ranking the songs would be impossible. Deform to Form a Star, Raider II and Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye are my favorites, but when I listen to the rest, I think they're just as good. One gem in particular I want to name is "Home in Negative" (from the third bonus disc) which is amazing, and one of the best "simple" songs that Steven Wilson has done IMO. The last minute or so is breathtaking.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on October 01, 2012, 07:47:25 AM
No Part Of Me and Deform stand tall above the rest, but all the songs are good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on October 05, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
Marco recently posted a new video for the new Steven Wilson album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYcnNdStvHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYcnNdStvHE)

So far it sounds pretty nice
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Tyrias on October 05, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
Well, after seeing and hearing this video I'm super excited. That song snippet at the end of the video was breathtakingly beautiful. Better than any ballad on GfD, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 05, 2012, 03:04:19 PM
beautiful stuff
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ich bin besser on October 05, 2012, 04:34:28 PM
Just finished watching the DVD - AMAZING show, great shots and awesome performances, and you really get a feel of how cinematic the whole concert experience is, especially with how little Steven talks between songs (if at all, I think the only time was before "Raider II"). Every performer on the stage is incredible, and watching this DVD has me hyped up for SW's third solo album, because this band is stellar.

-Marc.

Sums it up very nicely! Just finished the BluRay. What a great band!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
SW#3 - AOTY in 2013.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on October 05, 2012, 04:47:28 PM
Marco recently posted a new video for the new Steven Wilson album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYcnNdStvHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CYcnNdStvHE)

So far it sounds pretty nice

From the clips I've heard this is sounding like the best song to come out of SW's solo work.

I am now getting excited about this album, especially after GfD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on October 06, 2012, 05:19:29 PM
Up to Korine on the blu-ray and this has already been absolutely mind-blowing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2012, 08:12:36 PM
Up to Korine on the blu-ray and this has already been absolutely mind-blowing.

Amen Nick.  Plus the sound on my 5.1 is mindblowing.  I can't play this Blu Ray enough.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 17, 2012, 06:25:41 AM
Quote from: Steven Wilson
Recording for the next Steven Wilson album has wrapped in Los Angeles, and you can see clips of the recording sessions (still being added to) over on the official SW YouTube page.

There is still some work to do before work is complete, but the provisional track listing (subject to change) for the as yet untitled album is as follows:

1. The Holy Drinker (10.00)
2. Drive Home (8.00)
3. Luminol (12.00)
4. The Watchmaker (12.00)
5. The Pin Drop (5.00)
6. The Raven That Refused to Sing (8.00)

The album will be released towards the end of February on KScope in an array of formats (including a very special deluxe edition) and will contain 5 or 6 lengthy pieces. The line up on the album is SW (vocals, guitars, keyboards), Guthrie Govan (lead guitar), Adam Holzman (piano, Fender Rhodes, Hammond organ, Moog), Theo Travis (flutes, saxes), Nick Beggs (bass guitar, stick), Marco Minnemann (drums).  The sessions in LA were engineered by legendary producer / engineer Alan Parsons.

I am so excited I can't even find words for it. I'm totally getting the deluxe version, no matter what it costs. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on October 17, 2012, 06:30:43 AM
I'm mildly excited, "The Raven" is what got me excited about this album. I'm not really a fan of Luminol but I'm still going to check this out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 17, 2012, 07:01:29 AM
I don't quite get the hate or negativeness against Luminol, I think it's an amazing song. It was kinda hard to form an opinion about it the first time I heard it (when I saw SW live) but after listening to the Get All You Deserve album several times, it just grows.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on October 17, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Quote from: Steven Wilson
1. The Holy Drinker (10.00)
2. Drive Home (8.00)
3. Luminol (12.00)
4. The Watchmaker (12.00)
5. The Pin Drop (5.00)
6. The Raven That Refused to Sing (8.00)

That looks amazing! I cannot wait for this album. GFD was more exciting than his first one, so now I am even MORE excited for this than I was for GFD. Looks like the tracks are specifically ordered with a 2LP Vinyl in mind, too (despite only being about 55 minutes):
Side 1 - The Holy Drinker, Drive Home
Side 2 - Luminol
Side 3 - The Watchmaker
Side 4 - The Pin Drop, The Raven That Refused To Sing

And hopefully the "very special deluxe edition" doesn't cost more than $100. I can see the formats being the aforementioned 2LP Vinyl, maybe a 2CD set (the 2nd disc being bonus tracks/outtakes/demos), and the album in 5.1 Surround on DVD-A and/or Blu-Ray.

Definitely will be contender for Album Of The Year for 2013, even though it's coming out so early, but the end of February is fine by mine - just in time for my birthday!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on October 17, 2012, 09:43:49 AM
Can't wait for this! I love Luminol and the videos sounded excellent. I'm pretty surprised that its being released so soon. I was expecting a spring release date, at the earliest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 17, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
Oh man! Awesome blossom!! Sounds like it's going to be a trip. I've loved every single second from the studio clips they've released, so here's hoping that there's more of the same when the album releases...and also some surprises no doubt. But those track times... Wow. This is already going to be a very interesting take on the usual album format...almost 'inaccessible' to some. Definitely an album I'll have to give my undivided attention to when it releases. I'm loving that it's going to release in February. I feel a cold, night drive upon its midnight release.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on October 17, 2012, 12:16:20 PM
Dang, I imagined the album will have five or six song. I'm really looking forward to this release, Luminol was just brilliant.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 17, 2012, 06:35:44 PM
Definitely will be contender for Album Of The Year for 2013, even though it's coming out so early, but the end of February is fine by mine - just in time for my birthday!
What, have you listened to it already?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on October 17, 2012, 08:59:03 PM
Definitely will be contender for Album Of The Year for 2013, even though it's coming out so early, but the end of February is fine by mine - just in time for my birthday!
What, have you listened to it already?

No, but the clips of the songs SW has posted have been pretty good. And SW always seems to come out in the top 5 or 10 lists of the year whenever he releases an album. Based on that, I'm sure he will be up there next year, despite coming out against other bands like Dream Theater.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2012, 09:25:36 PM
So Jackie forced me (with threat of molestation) to buy Grace For Drowning.


Not bad. I also bought Deadwing which I like better. However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.


Can't wait to put it on my Ipod.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 17, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
Can't wait to put it on my Ipod.

(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/29152467/Steven+Wilson+yeah+right.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
Even though I bought the album in a record store, I might download it all over again on Itunes.

I've also decided that if I ever meet SW for an signing, I'll print out the terms and conditions from Itunes and have him sign that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 17, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
Give him this: https://www.amazon.com/ION-Profile-LP-Vinyl-to-MP3-Turntable/dp/B0029QRA1U
And run.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 17, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Give him this: https://www.amazon.com/ION-Profile-LP-Vinyl-to-MP3-Turntable/dp/B0029QRA1U
And run.

You're god damn right I'll run. I can't think of a single musician who is more imposing or terrifying than Steven Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 17, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
Who knows, he might carry around that sledgehammer he used to destroy that iPod in Insurgentes with him at all times.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Elite on October 17, 2012, 09:48:29 PM
Your avatar is amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 17, 2012, 09:51:43 PM
Thanks, made it myself.

I love Steven Wilson but he's so damn easy to make fun of. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on October 18, 2012, 11:40:46 AM
However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.

Why would you say that? The whole album has a pretty consistent sound and style to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2012, 11:44:13 AM
However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.

Why would you say that? The whole album has a pretty consistent sound and style to me.

Oh no it is very consistent. I have no real way of explaining it to be honest. And it's not a negative thing at all, just an observation. It feels like more a greatest hits album would, in that the songs were written for their own purposes and kind of later on thrown together for an album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 18, 2012, 01:35:29 PM
I'll have to agree on that. Grace for Drowning has amazing highs, but the album doesn't flow very well for me. You have song like Deform and Postcard, which are very close to sounding pop, and then you have Sectarian, Remainder etc.

I'm not saying these types of songs can't excist on the same record, for example Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye follows very nicely after the extremely dark and immersive Raider II. I think Raider II is possibly SW's best/biggest accomplishment yet, but as a whole, I'm partial to Insurgentes. I get more involved with the music because I feel it's all taking place in the same 'universe'.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 18, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
However GFD has some really interesting ideas, though the album as a whole feels more like a collection of works than a cohesive album.

Why would you say that? The whole album has a pretty consistent sound and style to me.

Oh no it is very consistent. I have no real way of explaining it to be honest. And it's not a negative thing at all, just an observation. It feels like more a greatest hits album would, in that the songs were written for their own purposes and kind of later on thrown together for an album.

Are you sure that's Grace For Drowning and not In Absentia you're talking about?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 18, 2012, 03:42:42 PM
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.

So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 18, 2012, 04:09:43 PM
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.

So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.

It really is.  It is a very cohesive album, and the short songs really do a tremendous job of acting as connective tissue that give it a great flow. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2012, 07:23:48 PM
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.

So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.

This is so true.  I don't have the time to real.y engulf an album like I did in my youth.  Once in a while, I do do this with a 5.1 CD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on October 19, 2012, 01:17:50 AM
I tried putting Grace for drowning on my mobile phone, so that I could listen to it in buses and stuff. It just didn't work out. It's an album to listen to at home, with absolutely nothing distracting you.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on October 19, 2012, 12:22:09 PM
I tried putting Grace for drowning on my mobile phone, so that I could listen to it in buses and stuff. It just didn't work out. It's an album to listen to at home, with absolutely nothing distracting you.

Get some good IEMs and it's fine. Staring out of the window and daydreaming to the song is fine for absorbing music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on October 19, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
Grace for Drowning was my favorite album from 2011 and is still on constant spinning by me. It's marvelous.

So far I've only listened to it while driving. However it seems that if I sit down in a room with no distractions and really pay attention to both disks, it will really be a great experience.
It's... not a very good driving album IMO. I found it was a much more enjoyable listen at home with headphones, though still not very spectacular.  I don't think I've listened to it since '11.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 19, 2012, 02:16:17 PM
I absolutely adore listening to this album on long night drives. It's spectacular and always an experience depending on the scenery. It's not the most accessible music though, that's for sure. It's still one of my favorite albums in a long time and I can't wait for the follow up.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2012, 02:45:34 PM
I absolutely adore listening to this album on long night drives. It's spectacular and always an experience depending on the scenery. It's not the most accessible music though, that's for sure. It's still one of my favorite albums in a long time and I can't wait for the follow up.

I think what makes it not a great driving album is its dynamics. The noise of the road kind of hurts it 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 19, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
Not in my car. Granted, I drive a Toyota Hybrid so it's extremely quiet, both outside and inside. It obviously sounds better in an environment built to listen to that type of music, but I've listened to it in enough controlled settings to know how it sounds when it's played in an optimal environment and compared it to when I listen to it while driving and it's not bad enough to warrant not listening to it; it's not much of a difference. Either way, it's good for me and my car stereo; can't say for others.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2012, 03:09:40 PM
Not in my car. Granted, I drive a Toyota Hybrid so it's extremely quiet, both outside and inside. It obviously sounds better in an environment built to listen to that type of music, but I've listened to it in enough controlled settings to know how it sounds when it's played in an optimal environment and compared it to when I listen to it while driving and it's not bad enough to warrant not listening to it; it's not much of a difference. Either way, it's good for me and my car stereo; can't say for others.

Yea I drive a Honda Pilot. When I'm on the highway it's god damn loud.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on October 20, 2012, 03:53:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I2Intvuetk4

Part 4 of recording in LA - "The Holy Drinker"

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on October 21, 2012, 07:14:50 PM
Nice. I'm liking this album a lot already
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 17, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
Watched that Blu-Ray at a friend's last night in 5.1 on his big screen TV.  All I can say is... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Seriously. 

That moment in Sectarian when the curtain in front of the stage finally comes down is beyond awesome.

We all must bow and kneel to the greatness of Steven Wilson. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 17, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
The man knows how to put on a production.

But that water bottle on the piano - EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 17, 2012, 04:32:28 PM
Watched that Blu-Ray at a friend's last night in 5.1 on his big screen TV.  All I can say is... :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Seriously. 

That moment in Sectarian when the curtain in front of the stage finally comes down is beyond awesome.

We all must bow and kneel to the greatness of Steven Wilson. :biggrin:
Watching it live was equally awesome  :D :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Adami on November 17, 2012, 09:12:58 PM
Steven Wilson is pretty cool.


His Canadian cousin Wade is cooler though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on November 18, 2012, 12:22:07 AM
I saw the Blu Ray for the second time yesterday and damn... I didn't want to post anything the first time (a couple of weeks ago) because I thought maybe I was just over excited, but after a second time I can safely say this is my favorite concert footage ever.

What I usually dislike about live music is that it usually isn't as clean and crisp as studio music - there's always the odd cracking voice, sloppy guitar, whatever. In this case, the music is absolutely flawless but they still manage to instill some additional energy to the songs, they sound even better than the CD. The most obvious example for me is Index which is a nice song on the record but live they make it a lot groovier and a lot darker.

A special mention should go to Minnemann, who stormed into my favorite drummers with the DT auditions video and has cemented himself in the top 3 with this release. What an awesome guy, I love how he looks so effortless and happy all the time.

I honestly can't wait for SW3 and a new tour, and I will do anything to try to attend one of the concerts, even if I have to travel abroad to do it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 18, 2012, 01:05:46 AM

Watching it live was equally awesome  :D :D

#jealous



What I usually dislike about live music is that it usually isn't as clean and crisp as studio music - there's always the odd cracking voice, sloppy guitar, whatever. In this case, the music is absolutely flawless but they still manage to instill some additional energy to the songs, they sound even better than the CD. The most obvious example for me is Index which is a nice song on the record but live they make it a lot groovier and a lot darker.

I totally agree!  There are so many subtle intricate guitar parts, keyboard lines/fills, etc. on the Grace for Downing material, and it seems like they nailed almost all of them.  And with the awesome sound that we always get from a SW recording, live or studio, they are as plain as day to hear. :)



A special mention should go to Minnemann, who stormed into my favorite drummers with the DT auditions video and has cemented himself in the top 3 with this release. What an awesome guy, I love how he looks so effortless and happy all the time.

Minnemann did a great job, even though I think he did overplay a bit at times (like during the first few minutes of No Twilight...).  But he was fantastic, as was everyone else.  I was particularly impressed by what a great job the other guitar player, Niko Tsonev, did.  And Nick Beggs, the bass player, was a monster player as well.  All in all, a tremendous performance!!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2012, 02:08:08 AM
Yeah it's really amazing. I love it. Marco Minneman is one of my favorites as well.

Can't wait for SW3.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on November 18, 2012, 10:20:27 AM
So I wanted to try No-Man and I groovesharked Together We're Stranger. This is strikingly beautiful, I guess more of my money is going Stevie's way pretty soon.

Any recs on which No-Man album I should try next?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 18, 2012, 10:34:18 AM
Together We're Stranger is beautiful. But Schoolyard Ghosts is their best album IMO. Check that one out.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on November 18, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
So I wanted to try No-Man and I groovesharked Together We're Stranger. This is strikingly beautiful, I guess more of my money is going Stevie's way pretty soon.

Any recs on which No-Man album I should try next?

Schoolyard Ghosts is pretty good, as is Returning Jesus and Flowermouth. Actually, you'll probably just end up getting ALL of them like I did, anyway. Look for the re-issue of Wild Opera that comes with the Dry Cleaning Ray EP as a bonus disc, and the re-issue of Flowermouth that comes with some cool bonus tracks.
Also, the 2-CD version of Schoolyard Ghosts is pretty good, as is the CD/DVD-A version of Together We're Stranger.

Their recent live album/video Love And Endings is really good, too. Amazing concert of wonderfully beautiful music.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on November 18, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
I had already located the CD + DVDA version of Together, I am going to get that one for sure.

Going for Schoolyard Ghosts now as suggested, thanks!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 18, 2012, 11:01:24 AM
Can't find the PT thread.

Octane Twisted is out, though. It it just me, or is Steve not promoting this at all?

This release must be to PT what Chaos in Motion was to DT. Roadrunner just wanting something to put out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on November 18, 2012, 11:17:34 AM
Can't find the PT thread.

Octane Twisted is out, though. It it just me, or is Steve not promoting this at all?

This release must be to PT what Chaos in Motion was to DT. Roadrunner just wanting something to put out.

Well, in a similar case - the pre-ordered exclusive edition will have something the normal retail version won't. For PT's Octane Twisted, it comes with a DVD of "The Incident" song-cycle performed live in it's entirety (with DT's CIM, it was a 3CD set of the show).

As for the lack of promotion...who knows. SW is busy mixing his new album to probably really care TOO much about this. I think it MIGHT be a case of the label saying "We need some new PT album out...just so people remember the band is still alive."

Something similar happened with The Flower Kings - on their 4th year of hiatus, Roine and company released a 4-year-old live show last year, on CD and DVD, after going nearly 3 years without a release. Nearly the exact same thing here. Let's just hope that, like TFK, PT head back into the studio next year for a new album...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on November 18, 2012, 12:36:55 PM
Just now put in Get All You Deserve in my player and I'm about to sit down with a big bowl of gumbo and a big-ass beer and mentally masturbate to the memories of the show I was at and annoy my crotchety neighbors with my big 'ole stereo. Woot woot!

P.S. Luminol is fucking brilliant and sexy as hell. No...even sexier than hell. I didn't remember much of it when I saw it but hearing it again in a more controlled setting and with the amazing production the CD has, it all came back. Great, great track and I'm really gearing up for the 3rd album. What an amazing trio of albums this man will have once he releases this last one (I'm assuming last one before tacking a break with his solo career to move back to PT...perhaps).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
  What an amazing trio of albums this man will have once he releases this last one (I'm assuming last one before tacking a break with his solo career to move back to PT...perhaps).

I am not assuming that by any means.  It could happen, but Wilson looks far more animated and happy on this new Blu-Ray than he looked on either of the PT ones.  I think he is happy to be free for now of the constraints of what people expect out of PT, and he can just do whatever he wants again with his solo career.  I know some will say that PT has had many face lifts over the years, but Wilson obviously feels like PT has reached a point where they have a particular sound that almost everyone expects out of them, and after spending a long time building up their fanbase, radically mixing it up again and possibly turning many of them off may not be something he wants to do; he can just do it as a solo artist and still live his artistic fantasies to the fullest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on November 19, 2012, 10:14:42 AM
While I haven't listened to all of SW's bands (no Bass Communion, very little No-Man, most of Blackfield and all of Storm Corrosion) it feels to me that SW solo is a mix of all the different genres and approaches these bands provide, removing any constraints to stay in a single genre for the whole record. I imagine this must feel pretty great to him - no matter what song, texture or melody he comes with he doesn't need to think if it belongs in this or that project, he can just work on it for his solo material and expand it adding different riffs or ideas without worrying without going too "out there".

This is the reason I don't believe he's coming back to PT anytime soon, if ever. As long as he continues creating such beautiful records and concerts, I wouldn't mind it either to be honest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on November 19, 2012, 10:40:35 AM
I wouldn't either, not in the least. I absolutely cannot stand most of The Incident with the exception of two, maybe three songs spread out through the whole album (2nd disc included, which is where most of the liked songs come from); so suffice it to say I am neither hoping nor wanting him to do PT again soon. Sure, it'd be nice to see what they can still do together, but if we're going to get another effort like TI or something down the same road, I'd much prefer the band to dissolve into just SW projects, as it began. I'm just saying that I expect it given that SW seems the man to not let something linger for too long unnoticed; so I think we'll at the very least get an announcement (a concrete one) about the project. That it's either dead or alive will be good news either way, as the waiting game is becoming tedious.

A fourth album in a row though would be awesome, I just don't think it'd be such a great idea. If the man has it in him, then he should go for it, but getting burnt out would not be good at all as it'd affect every project he has. I really, really do not want to see that happen. Then again if I had the choice, I'd keep SW alive in a little tube for all eternity, constantly making me new music every few weeks.  :xbones
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 19, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
I think the longer he chooses to go on with the solo-stuff, the harder it will be to go back to PT. A new PT album would be awesome, a new SW album would be awesome. Frankly it doesn't matter that much to me what he puts out, but I do prefer his solo stuff slightly.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 28, 2012, 05:28:53 PM
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/new-album-details/
Quote
The new album by Steven Wilson and band “The Raven that Refused to Sing (and other stories)” will be released on Kscope on 25th February.  The album was written between January-July and recorded in Los Angeles in September with Steven’s current band line up of Guthrie Govan – lead guitar, Nick Beggs – bass guitar, Marco Minnemann – drums, Adam Holzman – keyboards, Theo Travis – saxophone / flute and engineered by legendary producer/engineer Alan Parsons.

(https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SW-featured-post2.jpg)

The 6 tracks on the album are based on stories of the supernatural and the deluxe 4 disc edition comes in the form of a 128 page hardback book containing lyrics and ghost stories, illustrated by Hajo Mueller. There will also be stand alone double vinyl, CD and Blu-Ray editions.  Pre-orders for the limited deluxe edition will start soon, while the tour to promote the album starts on 1st March in Europe, and will continue throughout the rest of the year visiting many other countries, with many dates yet to be announced.

Track listing:
1.  Luminol (12.10)
2.  Drive Home (7.37)
3.  The Holy Drinker (10.13)
4.  The Pin Drop (5.03)
5.  The Watchmaker (11.43)
6.  The Raven that Refused to Sing (7.57)
(https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/TheRavenThatRefusedToSing_Medium.jpg)
Video clips of the band recording the album, as well as a live performance of opening track Luminol (taken from the recently released Get All You Deserve concert Blu-Ray/DVD), can be found on SW’s official YouTube channel.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 28, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
Also, huge fan of Guthrie Govan and Marco Minnemann. I am right pumped.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on November 28, 2012, 05:34:37 PM
Hell yeah! Can't wait  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on November 28, 2012, 05:35:25 PM
I'm sure this will be insanely good. I'm definitely going to ask for the deluxe edition for Christmas.
The lineup is incredible and I can't wait for the tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 28, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
The title is just ridiculous. :lolpalm:

Alright, here's hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 28, 2012, 06:23:29 PM
Yeah, did they really need the (and other stories) in there? :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on November 28, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Yeah, did they really need the (and other stories) in there? :lol

SW finally goes full-on prog with a ridiculously long title with an addition in parenthesis! :metal

Nice track list, lots of long songs, many of which we've heard previews of already!

I wonder what's on the other 3 discs in the super deluxe edition box set that says it's 4 discs? I'm assuming one is the album on CD, and another is the album in 5.1 Surround on Blu-Ray. Maybe a making-of DVD documentary? And maybe some bonus tracks available only to the box set?

Depending on the price, I may or may not just get the regular CD. I don't own a kick-ass surround-sound system, or a Blu-Ray player, so all of that doesn't really appeal to me. I skipped on the super deluxe editions of Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning for the same reasons, and usually only get SW's super-deluxe editions if they include exclusive DVD or CD material, although his first two solo albums DID come with extra music, I've read that they weren't really that much to write home about. Of course, if Steven felt that those songs were worthy to hear, he would've included them on the main album to begin with, am I right?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on November 28, 2012, 07:12:19 PM
Nice, I might have to scoop up the deluxe edition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 28, 2012, 07:34:45 PM
I can't wait for this.

But, like when GfD came out, I will reitirate: it's funny how prog nergs flocked to SW as a song-writing centered alternative to their favored style of music, and, since then, SW has become basically the poster boy of full-blown, excessive progressive music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 28, 2012, 07:36:54 PM
I skipped on the super deluxe editions of Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning for the same reasons, and usually only get SW's super-deluxe editions if they include exclusive DVD or CD material, although his first two solo albums DID come with extra music, I've read that they weren't really that much to write home about. Of course, if Steven felt that those songs were worthy to hear, he would've included them on the main album to begin with, am I right?

-Marc.
The bonus songs were OK. Good, but nothing compared the main songs on the album. They're interesting though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 28, 2012, 08:05:18 PM
The bonus songs were OK. Good, but nothing compared the main songs on the album. They're interesting though.

For Grace For Drowning, yeah. The bonus disc of Insurgentes has Collecting Space and The 78, which are two of the best songs on that album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on November 28, 2012, 08:33:57 PM
*and somewhere off in the distance, Jimmy creamed his pants*

seriously though that sounds amazing. The Watchmaker will be the best song...or, at least, it better be.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on November 28, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
The album cover is terrible. And the album title is also terrible.

I'm still looking forward to the album.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 28, 2012, 09:07:14 PM
I skipped on the super deluxe editions of Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning for the same reasons, and usually only get SW's super-deluxe editions if they include exclusive DVD or CD material, although his first two solo albums DID come with extra music, I've read that they weren't really that much to write home about. Of course, if Steven felt that those songs were worthy to hear, he would've included them on the main album to begin with, am I right?

-Marc.
The bonus songs were OK. Good, but nothing compared the main songs on the album. They're interesting though.

Collecting Space from Insurgentes' bonus tracks is one of SWs best songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 28, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
Yeah, Collecting Space is fucking badass.

I've never done one of the deluxe editions before, but might this time depending on what it comes with... Also could be a nice late Christmas gift for sure. Yeah, I have some extra income, but spending that much on an album always seems a little crazy to me. Buying the GFD vinyl was DEFINITELY a good investment, though  :heart

Can't wait for US tour dates so I can plan my next trip :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 28, 2012, 09:37:30 PM
Forgot about Collecting Space. That one's on my Deadwing playlist for some reason. I think there's a tie-in to the Deadwing story? But yeah, that's a good one.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on November 28, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
The album cover is terrible. And the album title is also terrible.

Yeah, the title is pretty pretentious. :lol
 
Agree with you though - STILL looking forward to it.  Damn your black heart, Steven. :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 28, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
I still can't get over how bad the "and other stories" is. :lol Wow, Steven, for real?

Album cover is not bad though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on November 28, 2012, 10:09:35 PM
I don't mind the title or cover myself, but I can see why some would.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 28, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
Sweet news. :tup :tup

The (and other stories) part does look a little weird, but I suspect most of us will frequently refer to the album by name by omitting that part anyway (kind of like how most of us call DT's 5th album Scenes from a Memory even though Metropolis Part II is technically a part of it, too), so it's all good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 28, 2012, 10:30:17 PM
The abbreviation is awesome. TRTRTS
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on November 28, 2012, 10:51:59 PM
 :eek Hell fucking yes. I really love that title (and the font), along with the insane album artwork; it really gives the feeling of a ghost book or some kind of Necronomicon shit. It reminds me of something a Poe compilation would resemble. Oooooh boy I am definitely going to have to get the deluxe edition, as it will be the only one thus far that I've bought of Wilson's work. I am so completely stoked for this.

P.S. Hilarious overreactions to the title...

Just transferred some money into a separate account specifically for my Wilson binge. Trip, concert, deluxe edition... Mmmm. Can't get here quick enough.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 28, 2012, 10:58:52 PM
Yeah, I'm just going to refer to it and list it as The Raven That Refused To Sing. The full title is just too damn long. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on November 29, 2012, 01:42:21 AM
The title might be a bit pretentious, but I'm loving the artwork, I knew it will be something weird.  ;D  Here's to a great album, it's one of the albums I'm looking forward to the most in 2013.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 29, 2012, 01:52:50 AM
I'm so excited. Totally getting the deluxe edition and the vinyl.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on November 29, 2012, 02:17:53 AM
Alright, the album cover is kind of cool, in an MS Paint/Creepypasta kind of way.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 29, 2012, 02:54:53 AM
The album cover reminds me of this:
(https://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-scary-face-meme-under-bed.jpg)
(ignore the text, it's about the face)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on November 29, 2012, 03:08:03 AM
TRTRTS

Bless you.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on November 29, 2012, 05:16:30 AM
The album cover reminds me of this:
*snip*
(ignore the text, it's about the face)

My first reaction is that the cover is the moon just a few seconds before:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Le_Voyage_dans_la_lune.jpg/220px-Le_Voyage_dans_la_lune.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 29, 2012, 06:23:10 AM
It reminds me of the cover for OSI's Fire Make Thunder. (Big circle in the middle, same color scheme)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on November 29, 2012, 06:34:58 AM
It definitely reminds me of SOMETHING that I've seen, either in some kind of anime or stop motion movie, or maybe a comic on the Internet.  I really don't know but I get the sense I've seen it before, and its not really a great cover anyways.  Or a great title.  Still looking forward to it, though.  Funny how that works.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on November 29, 2012, 07:01:57 AM
Well, the album title is somewhat fascinating to me, while the artwork surely isn't.

Even though I hate SW I will be surely getting this record on day one, to see if he finally starts redeeming himself  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 29, 2012, 07:04:48 AM
Well, the album title is somewhat fascinating to me, while the artwork surely isn't.

Even though I hate SW I will be surely getting this record on day one, to see if he finally starts redeeming himself  :lol

lol.. hate is such a strong word
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on November 29, 2012, 07:24:23 AM
My main problem with Grace for Drowning was that it's a bit too much to take in one listen. Now that the new album is just one disc, hopefully this one will be easier to digest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 29, 2012, 09:48:59 AM
I was really into Insurgentes, let down by Grace and hopefully will enjoy the new album...

Best songs from Insurgentes were on the bonus disc though, I feel for anyone with the regular version that didn't discover The 78 and Collecting Space. Those two songs are so meaningful for me.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 29, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
Puncture Wound is great, as well!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 29, 2012, 09:54:55 AM
It really is... also piano in Twilight ftw. Is that Rudess? I vaguely remember it being. Damnit now I'm listening to SW again instead of Mars Volta.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pockets17red on November 29, 2012, 10:42:13 AM
It really is... also piano in Twilight ftw. Is that Rudess? I vaguely remember it being. Damnit now I'm listening to SW again instead of Mars Volta.

Yep, Jordan played the piano on "Twilight", and he also played piano on "Venero Para Las Hadas" and "Twilight Coda." Steven has had so many talented musicians on his solo records... :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on November 29, 2012, 12:08:57 PM
This will actually be the first album ever that I'll be waiting for prior to release. #lolmusicnoob
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 29, 2012, 01:09:30 PM
(https://assets.diylol.com/hfs/939/b09/2d5/resized/moon-meme-meme-generator-raven-y-u-no-sing-bc99fe.png?1354219706.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on November 29, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on November 29, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
 :D Nice. Can't say I didn't think of that immediately upon viewing the album cover.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on November 29, 2012, 08:36:36 PM
 :lol Alternate album title: Dawn Of The First Day (72 Hours Remain)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on November 29, 2012, 09:52:42 PM
:lol Alternate album title: Dawn Of The First Day (72 Hours Remain)
Haha, nice.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 30, 2012, 05:54:24 AM
I'm so excited for this :) I think it's actually the only album I'm aware of coming out in 2013 that I'm looking forward to. Or know of. I've been in such a SW mood the past few days.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 30, 2012, 05:54:56 AM
By days I mean years I guess. But the past three or four days something involving SW has been my instinctual first choice when firing up the laptop.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 03, 2012, 12:37:49 AM
It's been ages since I listened to Insurgentes, but I threw it on today and appreciated it in a totally new way. I always thought that No Twilight... was a forgettable song, but it completely blew me away this time around. Love that piano solo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 03, 2012, 01:31:55 AM
It's my favourite of the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 03, 2012, 01:50:06 AM
Yeah same. Salvaging would come in as nr 2.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 03, 2012, 06:22:24 AM
I can't get into Insurgentes no matter how many times I listen to it...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on December 03, 2012, 06:57:08 AM
Insurgentes > Grace for Drowning

But neither album is nearly as great as the best PT releases IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 03, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
GfD > Insurgentes

Both are probably better than all PT-albums. The exception might be FOABP which I might rank slightly above Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on December 03, 2012, 08:45:53 AM
Insurgentes > Grace for Drowning

But neither album is nearly as great as the best PT releases IMO.

This is exactly sums up exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 03, 2012, 09:17:24 AM
I agree on the PT releases, but GfD rapes Insurgents' little booty butt. Then again there aren't many things that can come close to 'the best of PT's releases' (which, for me, will always be the first few albums and eras).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on December 03, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
I have never listened to Insurgentes, and I might check it out sometime in the future. I should however say that I am not fond of GfD, for the most. Shall I try it out anyway?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 03, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Insurgents is quite different from GfD. GfD is much more experimental and...'free'(?) I suppose. So yes, I'd say definitely give it a try. Two completely different animals.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on December 03, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
I definitely prefer Grace for Downing over Insurgentes, though the latter is really good, but there is no way I can say Grace for Downing is as good as the best two or three PT albums. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 03, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
Most Porcupine Tree albums > Grace For Drowning > Insurgentes
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 03, 2012, 11:37:12 AM
Stupid Dream > Insurgentes > Fear Of A Blank Planet > Deadwing > Grace For Drowning > the rest of PT
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 03, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
Insurgentes just feels so... soulless to me. Maybe the nonsense lyrics have something to do with that. The music also sounds a little bit TOO much like PT at times, except not as good.

Out of curiosity, what are people's favorite songs off of it?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 03, 2012, 12:31:44 PM
The title track. Everything else is tied for second though. It's definitely an album where all the songs blend together and don't really work that well on their own.

I just listened to Only Child. And it seriously sounds like something out of Rayman 2. Like, straight from the game.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 03, 2012, 12:37:20 PM
I haven't the slightest clue what you mean by 'nonsense lyrics'... To each his own; everyone will interpret it differently. I got something out of it. I personally think it has some of the most emotional music I've listened to by the man. My favorites (in order):

Veneno Para Las Hadas
Significant Other
No Twilight Within The Court Of The Sun (Okay, this one I can totally see what you mean, but it meshes so well with the song that I don't really notice)
Insurgents
Puncture Wound
Collecting Space (if we count bonuses)
Only Child

Those are my absolute favorites. Veneno speaks to me in a way that...well it's pointless to explain, events in my life happening during when I first listened to the song make it very emotional to me, not to mention it's a beautiful track on its own.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 03, 2012, 12:39:51 PM
I love Insurgentes almost as much as Grace For Drowning. My 3 favorites, in order, are Veneno Para Las Hadas, Insurgentes, and No Twilight Within The Court of the Sun.

Honestly I think I like SW's 2 solo albums as much as PT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 03, 2012, 12:40:34 PM
To be fair, the lyrics are, by definition, nonsense. SW said he just threw words together with no intended meaning.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on December 03, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
To be fair, the lyrics are, by definition, nonsense. SW said he just threw words together with no intended meaning.
That's exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 03, 2012, 12:44:53 PM
Ah, interesting. The more you know! I guess I broke the system by reading into them and analyzing it enough for them to speak to me. Which is the point; even if they are jumbled messes, it will affect everyone differently. Some may take it at face value as you two have, others will feel it more personally as I have. Good to know though. I guess.

Then again this is coming from a guy who falls head over heels with The Map, a fairly samey-song with no lyrics; and yet somehow it still speaks to me and I find some way to make it personal.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on December 03, 2012, 01:24:54 PM
I used to not like Insurgentes at all. But I guess I was just distracted by Only Child, that song is just... It doesn't quite work.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 03, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Favorites from Insurgentes would be No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun, Salvaging and Get All You Deserve.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on December 04, 2012, 02:57:25 AM
I don't know how to exactly rank the songs on Insurgentes, but my taste seems to differ from most of you since No Twilight... is my least favorite and my fave songs are Salvaging and Abandoner.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 04, 2012, 11:08:05 AM
The whole album is pretty weird. Even by SW standards.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 04, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
...and I absolutely love that about the album. I abhorred and hated No Twilight for the first few months of owning Insurgents. It was downright annoying to me. Then, after a year or so went by, it came on one day and I said "You know what, I'll sit through this shit.." and by the end I was pitching a tent. Then when I saw him in LA (with good 'ole Jackie!) and it was the first song he played (I think...), it made it even more amazing. It's an incredible piece of work, as is the entire album. But I sympathize with those who don't like it; but perhaps, if you can endure the torture, you may find yourself intoBDSMliking it a bit more. Or maybe you'll just hate it more. Either way, no one can disagree on the fact that it is a very diverse album with many different aspects for many different tastes.

It's this time of year where I get a major, pulsating, blood-vessel-bursting hard on for Wilson/PT/Akerfeldt/Opeth.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on December 04, 2012, 12:29:05 PM
by the end I was pitching a tent.
:lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 04, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
Yeah same. Salvaging would come in as nr 2.
Same actually. Either that or Venemo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 04, 2012, 08:59:45 PM
It's this time of year where I get a major, pulsating, blood-vessel-bursting hard on for Wilson/PT/Akerfeldt/Opeth.


Mmmm yeah, me too.

Also, seeing him with you was fun!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on December 10, 2012, 04:11:26 PM
Quote
STEVEN’S TOP ALBUMS OF 2012
10th December 2012
Kreng - Works For Abattoir Fermé
Vatican Shadow – Kneel Before Religious Icons
Vatican Shadow - Ornamented Walls
Swans - The Seer
Cut Hands - Black Mamba
Thomas Koner - Novaya Zemlya
Marillion - Sounds that Can’t be Made
Use of Ashes - White Nights: Flake of Eternity
Shearwater – Animal Joy
Arvo Part - Adam’s Lament
36 - Lithea
Monolake – Ghosts
Scott Walker - Bish Bosch
X-TG - Desertshore / The Final Report
Eleh - The Weight of Accumulation
Container - LP2

As usual, I only know (let alone own) only ONE of these albums, Marillion's latest. SW's hipsterometer reading is through the roof! :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 10, 2012, 04:22:28 PM
I've only heard Swans of those. Might check out Scott Walker as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 10, 2012, 04:23:51 PM
SW's hipsterometer reading is through the roof! :rollin
It's pretty much always been like that. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on December 10, 2012, 04:24:23 PM
Checking out Kreng right now.

Looked up the name and found this at Wiki under "Dutch profanity"

Kreng (literally: "cadaver") is a common insult aimed at women, and denotes mean or crass character.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 10, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
Yeah, I've only ever heard of two of the bands on that list. I'll be sure to download all of these immediately and put the playlist on shuffle.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 10, 2012, 05:27:24 PM
Once on the "Steven Wilson is listening to" tab there was Merzbow. I found that funny. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 10, 2012, 05:28:57 PM
I think SW said that Merzbow was a big influence for Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 10, 2012, 05:30:45 PM
Really? I find that amusing. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on December 11, 2012, 05:26:55 AM
I've only heard of one of those bands.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on December 11, 2012, 06:09:26 AM
One album I know, none I liked.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 11, 2012, 08:36:16 AM
But if you only know one...?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on December 12, 2012, 03:32:44 AM
Yeah, I've only ever heard of two of the bands on that list. I'll be sure to download all of these immediately and put the playlist on shuffle.
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Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on December 12, 2012, 06:24:40 AM
Hipster level: well over 9007.

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Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on December 12, 2012, 08:08:50 AM
Steven can now FLY whilst rotating the world.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 12, 2012, 08:55:21 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 12, 2012, 09:30:07 AM
That man.














I would fuck him.










/homoerotica
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 12, 2012, 08:08:14 PM
It never ends.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 12, 2012, 08:29:39 PM
Someone really has to photoshop that floor into a sky. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 13, 2012, 06:55:50 AM
::waits::

:caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on December 13, 2012, 10:45:42 AM
Someone really has to photoshop that floor into a sky. :lol

It needs to move sideways too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on December 13, 2012, 10:52:16 AM
Got me tickets for the London gig in March, seriously excited as I also like a bit of Govan and Minnemann and I missed SW on his last solo tour (which is okay because I was a bit underwhelmed by Grace). Can't wait.

SW would get it til it was hanging off. I met hm and bought him a drink once, we hung out and for some reason I asked if he had a jacuzzi in his tour bus. My boyfriend at the time was a tad unsure of where I was going with that one lol. As was I *verbal diarrhea*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on December 13, 2012, 11:03:37 AM
Can I show some appreciate here for Cover Version II... I think Abba were amazing songwriters and put them on occasionally (my mum gave me Rachmaninoff and Tchaikovsky, my dad gave me Abba lol) but I never really knew this song from them, so the SW cover is my initial frame of reference for it. And I utterly love it. I went and listened to the Abba original and it doesn't do as much for me, it's just not as sad.

I listened to it, thought ooh actually yeah I think my mum would really love this, and then randomly and spontaneously burst into tears. It sounds weird because it hurts, but I love it when a song can do that to you. It's beautiful. And I like that he has covered stuff I wouldn't have expected (also love Blackfield's 'Thank You' but not the Morissette original for some reason).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on December 14, 2012, 04:48:23 AM
Someone really has to photoshop that floor into a sky. :lol

It needs to move sideways too.
His next release:

Steven Wilson - I Fly Sideways
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on December 14, 2012, 05:52:31 AM
Or perhaps he's just trying to make the air be the colour of him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on December 14, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
::waits::

:caffeine:
::keeps waiting::

:caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on December 14, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
He looks kinda old (and tiny) in that pic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 14, 2012, 06:33:06 PM
He IS tiny!

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/381880_553910053480_873148960_n.jpg)

I could break that motherfucker in half.

 :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 14, 2012, 06:36:44 PM
Exhibit B: His wrist vs. my Amazon ankle :lol

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Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on December 14, 2012, 07:44:29 PM
He IS tiny!

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/381880_553910053480_873148960_n.jpg)

I could break that motherfucker in half.

 :heart

I love it when a girl talks dirty.


Just awesome Jackie!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on December 20, 2012, 12:59:23 PM
https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/collection/65/

Quote
The new album "The Raven that Refused to Sing (and other stories)" is now available to pre-order in 4 different formats from Burning Shed:

The deluxe edition comes in the form of a 128 page book, illustrated by Hajo Mueller, and features lyrics and ghost stories. It includes the 6 track 55 minute album on one CD, an exclusive additional CD of demo versions (which themselves are full band studio recordings effectively presenting a full alternate version of the album, with different performances, solos and ideas), a Blu-Ray including high resolution 96K/24bit stereo, 96/24 instrumental versions, a 5.1 surround sound mix also at 96/24, photo galleries and additional artwork, and a studio documentary filmed by Lasse Hoile (some of which has already been previewed on the SW youtube channel). A DVDV is also included for those without Blu-Ray players, although this does not include the instrumental versions and the 5.1 mix is a DTS compressed version. This limited edition 4 disc deluxe book edition is presently available for a special early bird price.

There are also standalone Blu-Ray, CD/DVDV and 2LP vinyl editions.

Dutch and German fans; please note that the deluxe edition will also be available shortly from local mail order companies, so if you hang on for details on that you may save a lot on international shipping.

Gonna have to wait til after Christmas to pre-order the 4-Disc version, if anything, just for the 2nd CD of demo tracks.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 20, 2012, 01:19:33 PM
Nice! Definitely going to get the 2-CD edition. I wish I could get the vinyl as well but I don't think I'll be getting my turntable till after Christmas, and I really want to pre-order it like...now. Awesome stuff, that's very intriguing to hear that they have a completely separate album with a different view of the songs. February can't get here fast enough.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on December 20, 2012, 01:23:58 PM
Nice! Definitely going to get the 2-CD edition. I wish I could get the vinyl as well but I don't think I'll be getting my turntable till after Christmas, and I really want to pre-order it like...now. Awesome stuff, that's very intriguing to hear that they have a completely separate album with a different view of the songs. February can't get here fast enough.

There is no 2-CD version, unless you meant the CD/DVDV version?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on December 20, 2012, 01:38:08 PM
Ordered >_>
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 20, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
Yeah I thought the normal edition came with the demos, so I'm going to have to get the Deluxe Edition (https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/product/65/4461/). Which is fine, I don't own a single blu-ray, but oddly enough own a blu-ray player so this will be the first one. Definitely need those demos though, that's just too cool. "Clock Song" sounds interesting... This whole shindig is very Radiohead-y, which I love.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on December 20, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
I don't own a single blu-ray, but oddly enough own a blu-ray player so this will be the first one.

Ironically, I have a few Blu-Rays from special/limited/deluxe editions of albums, but no Blu-Ray player!!! :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 20, 2012, 02:37:05 PM
Damn. I would dwarf SW if I ever met him, being 6'5".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 20, 2012, 03:44:16 PM
Totes getting the deluxe version and the vinyl. That's like 58 pounds plus shipping/insurance, but whatever.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 20, 2012, 04:15:23 PM
I don't own a single blu-ray, but oddly enough own a blu-ray player so this will be the first one.

Ironically, I have a few Blu-Rays from special/limited/deluxe editions of albums, but no Blu-Ray player!!! :rollin

-Marc.
Same here! I may need to get one since I really want to see the studio documentary.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TL on December 20, 2012, 05:11:53 PM
It's too bad that there doesn't seem to be a CD/BluRay combo like there was with Storm Corrosion. I'll probably end up getting the deluxe version then.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on December 20, 2012, 05:26:33 PM
Holy Shit!  Nick Beggs rang a bell when I watched the Blu Ray but I never looked it up until now.  He was the bass player for Kajagoogoo!! :omg:  I knew he was talented in the 80's but I could never listen to their music.  I love being shocked.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 20, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
Man, the shipping cost for the deluxe is almost $30! Fuck...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 20, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Man, the shipping cost for the deluxe is almost $30! Fuck...
I hope they sell it through Newbury Comics in the US like GFD. I'm not sure I want to pay that much for shipping.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 22, 2012, 05:32:10 PM
Watching the live SW live Blu Ray for the first time. Wow.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 27, 2012, 04:27:07 PM
North American tour dates are up! https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/

He's actually fucking coming to Colorado!! :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on December 27, 2012, 07:31:28 PM
Yeah but he's not even coming to Seattle let alone Portland!. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 27, 2012, 07:37:05 PM
For the love of all holy in music... I must go this time!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on December 27, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
I hate living nowhere near any decent sized city. No decent concerts by me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on December 27, 2012, 08:48:23 PM
I'll be at the NYC show! Can't wait!

He said on Facebook that there's a special mystery show on April 28th. I'm dying to find out what that means since, logistically, it would probably be in the Northeast as he's playing in Boston on the 27th and Pittsburgh on the 30th. Hopefully it'll be another NYC show, as it seems like a special event. Maybe some special guest appearance?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on December 27, 2012, 11:25:14 PM
I'll be at the Philly (Glenside) show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on December 28, 2012, 12:32:47 AM
Ohhh dayum! I will hopefully be at one of the California shows. Oooooooo I hope I can go! Planning stages commence.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on December 28, 2012, 12:48:55 AM
I hope to hit the show at Club Nokia in LA... my only issue is the traffic near the LA Live complex... It's almost enough to turn me off to a show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on December 28, 2012, 01:52:42 AM
I just can't believe he is coming back to Minneapolis. Mind you, it's at The Fine Line, which is usually a place that holds weddings and is a dance club, but hey, I'm so frickin' pumped!

He hasn't been back here since the Deadwing Tour
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on December 28, 2012, 02:23:36 AM
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on December 28, 2012, 02:24:54 AM
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:

Speak for you, I discovered PT when they released The Incident, an I wasn't pleased with it either  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bongasti on December 28, 2012, 03:56:33 AM
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:
Seriously, two shows in both Sweden and Norway last tour and one in both this tour, and no Finland at all! I suppose I have to go to Sweden this time...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on December 28, 2012, 04:44:48 AM
Just my luck: I discover PT after they've gone on hiatus and then Steven can't even come to Finland on his solo tour! :sadpanda:
Seriously, two shows in both Sweden and Norway last tour and one in both this tour, and no Finland at all! I suppose I have to go to Sweden this time...

No Finland? Yeah becuase it's too far on the east I guess... No Austria, no Poland, no Czech Republic, no Hungary but seven Germany dates!!! WTF?! I guess that they drew a line across Europe on Sweden, Germany, Switzerland and Italy east boundaries and said "No, we are not going to play anywhere further to the east than this, that would be too much!!!" When it happend on last tour I said OK it's the first solo tour ever for SW so it's understandable. Hopefully they will come closer on the next tour. But this time the same thing again?! >:(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on December 28, 2012, 05:14:22 AM
No Spain either  :sadpanda: I might try to catch a plane and attend Paris or Frankfurt
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on December 28, 2012, 06:47:31 AM
Wow he is coming to St. Petersburg, and the State Theatre no less. That's a fairly small venue, the best part is that it's about 15 minutes from my house.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 28, 2012, 10:00:21 AM
I just can't believe he is coming back to Minneapolis. Mind you, it's at The Fine Line, which is usually a place that holds weddings and is a dance club, but hey, I'm so frickin' pumped!

He hasn't been back here since the Deadwing Tour

Yeah, last time he was in CO was 2007, before I lived here, so I haven't seen PT since before I moved and have had to travel to other states to see him solo.

Still actually thinking about traveling to another city for fun, and Minneapolis is an option since I haven't cross MN off my list of states visited yet. Sounds like an iffy venue, though? Although if it's really small, I could dig that...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: snowdog on December 28, 2012, 10:07:10 AM
He's actually fucking coming to Colorado!! :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
And isn't the Fox again thankfully.  That place was really getting too small for PT.  Though I really wish he would go to Denver since Boulder is a bit more of a drive.  Even more for me now that I've moved back to Colorado Springs.  He could easily play the Ogden. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on December 28, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
Boston on a Saturday night bitches!! :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JRundquist on December 28, 2012, 01:07:28 PM
I gave up on being able to see Steven Wilson live after waiting 8 years to see him. they were in Minneapolis the WEEK I discovered Deadwing and became a fan, it was also before I was allowed to go to concerts in the Twin Cities (an hour and a half away at the time) by myself. It's not PT, but it is with Guthrie Govan and Marco Minnemann. SIGN ME UP!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TL on December 28, 2012, 01:16:33 PM
I'm beginning to suspect that musicians (even Canadian ones) think that 'Canada' consists entirely of Toronto and Montreal. One show in Atlantic Canada, that's all I ask.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 30, 2012, 11:24:23 AM
Guys, tickets for Atlanta, DC, Toronto and Minneapolis are already on sale! The rest say "on sale soon." I'm going to be checking this shit every day; can't wait.


And isn't the Fox again thankfully.  That place was really getting too small for PT.  Though I really wish he would go to Denver since Boulder is a bit more of a drive.  Even more for me now that I've moved back to Colorado Springs.  He could easily play the Ogden.

Yeah, the Ogden is like five blocks from me so I would freak if they played there (I was able to walk to Opeth at the Fillmore  :metal)... but all I care about is that they're coming at all, since he's never been to the state as long as I've lived here ('09).

In other news, I had no idea there were other CO fans on here! We should meet up :)

How big is the Boulder compared to the Fox? I've only been to the latter once for ZPZ.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on December 30, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
I'm beginning to suspect that musicians (even Canadian ones) think that 'Canada' consists entirely of Toronto and Montreal. One show in Atlantic Canada, that's all I ask.

PLUS ONE but it won't be happening anytime soon. until the promoters around here get some sense in their heads, this place is just a graveyard for semi-retired '70s and '80s names at the most.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 02, 2013, 08:44:56 PM
Lame!  :-\

Pittsburgh tix also on sale.

::checks obsessively until CO show goes on sale::
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on January 02, 2013, 11:12:22 PM
I'll be going to the Atlanta show!  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on January 03, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/new-year-update/ (https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/new-year-update/)

"The show will incorporate several new visual elements / films, and the new album will be performed in it’s entirety. In addition an early Porcupine Tree song will be included in the setlist, dating from the years when PT was still Steven’s solo project.

On that subject, a remastered CD reissue of the very earliest music Steven recorded under the name Porcupine Tree “Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape” is in preparation. This music was originally issued on cassette tapes and mostly dating from the late 80′s. This will only be available via mail order – more news on this soon."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 03, 2013, 06:26:12 PM
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 03, 2013, 07:26:41 PM
*masterbates furiously*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 03, 2013, 08:08:12 PM
woohoo! guess i'll be buying the new YHD too...

kinda wonder if he's gonna break out a long forgotten classic like "Mute" or "No Reason to Live, No Reason to Die" — they would both be excellent ways for the band to improvise.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 04, 2013, 12:41:14 AM
*masterbates furiously*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on January 04, 2013, 05:23:09 AM
Want album nao.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on January 04, 2013, 09:55:56 AM
It would be awesome if The Nostalgia Factory were that song, as that song would fit in well with the vibe of his other solo stuff.  With normal-sounding vocals this time, of course. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on January 04, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
Or Nine Cats, because that song kicks seven rainbows of arse.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 04, 2013, 12:35:14 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 04, 2013, 12:36:54 PM
Need to check if the St. Pete tickets have gone on sale yet
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 04, 2013, 12:40:38 PM
Not yet according to the site.. so far all of Europe's dates are on sale, and the five aforementioned US/Canada ones. Rest of US and Mexico still (impatiently) waiting :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 04, 2013, 01:05:07 PM
Nine Cats doesn't seem that logical to me. I don't know, but with the musicians he has it feels more logical that it is a song which leaves more room open for improvisation/altering the studio-version.

Something like Nostalgia Factory, It Will Rain For a Million Years or Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on January 04, 2013, 01:08:47 PM
Nah, it's got to be Nine Cats. That one used to get requested all the time on the TSMS tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 04, 2013, 01:43:58 PM
Nine Cats doesn't seem that logical to me. I don't know, but with the musicians he has it feels more logical that it is a song which leaves more room open for improvisation/altering the studio-version.

Something like Nostalgia Factory, It Will Rain For a Million Years or Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape?

If he actually did that I would cease to hate on him for one or two weeks  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 04, 2013, 03:53:04 PM
Nah, it's got to be Nine Cats. That one used to get requested all the time on the TSMS tour.

Maybe, but I don't see why he would play that one on a solo tour. If anything I'd say it's one of the few songs from the early PT-days I could imagine the other PT-members being up for playing. Some of the other songs might work more on the improvisational/progressive-thing he has going on now. But again I dunno. I think it will be a PT song they have never (or at least not in 20 years) played. Just my guess.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 04, 2013, 08:50:56 PM
Not yet according to the site.. so far all of Europe's dates are on sale, and the five aforementioned US/Canada ones. Rest of US and Mexico still (impatiently) waiting :caffeine:

I'm waiting too, I'm going to have get my buddies to go too, can't wait.

Or Nine Cats, because that song kicks seven rainbows of arse.

The acoustic version is the best version
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 04, 2013, 10:56:01 PM
There's an version of Nine Cats that Steven wrote in high school that's 20 minutes long or something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on January 05, 2013, 12:21:58 AM
=

Or Nine Cats, because that song kicks seven rainbows of arse.

The acoustic version is the best version

This. The Insignificance version of Nine Cats is one of the most beautiful PT songs there is.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on January 05, 2013, 12:59:08 AM
It would be awesome if The Nostalgia Factory were that song, as that song would fit in well with the vibe of his other solo stuff.  With normal-sounding vocals this time, of course. :lol
Like this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UWLboP-HhM)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on January 09, 2013, 04:16:40 AM
Just listened to the new album. Phenomenal as expected. My favorites tracks are probably the title track and The Watchmaker, but the whole thing is 10/10.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2013, 05:42:53 AM
Just listened to the new album. Phenomenal as expected. My favorites tracks are probably the title track and The Watchmaker, but the whole thing is 10/10.

WOOT

Okay nvm. I'm gonna wait with listening until Friday though, weekend and blasting the new SW is never wrong.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 09, 2013, 05:59:33 AM
Here is hoping it's better than GfD!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2013, 06:01:05 AM
Not sure if it can be better than 5/5 but equal would be cool. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 09, 2013, 06:06:28 AM
I think I'm the only one on this forum who liked insurgents more than GfD :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2013, 06:45:15 AM
Probably not. Personally I think Insurgentes is a strong 4.5/5 meanwhile I would say GfD is slightly better. But they are both awesome to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on January 09, 2013, 07:28:15 AM
I think I'm the only one on this forum who liked insurgents more than GfD :lol
No - GFD is good, but there's way too much stuff on it. Insurgentes is much more solid, and the more modern style of that album also appeals to me more than GFD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 09, 2013, 09:15:27 AM
Awww shiiiiet! There's no way I'm going to be able to wait. I don't feel as bad considering I've already bought the deluxe edition, so fuck it; here we go.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on January 09, 2013, 10:01:19 AM
I really can't decide between the two albums tbh.... I know everyone says that but they just feel so equally awesome. I think GFD has so much of a darker feel to it, Insurgentes is something I'd probably put on to chill out to, and I think Insurgentes is more consistent. But there are more moments of awesomeness in GFD, like moments in longish songs that just make the whole song worthwhile... though Insurgentes does have the title track, The 78 and Collecting Space which are probably my favourite SW songs... until I heard Sectarian, and Raider II. DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE COS I CAN'T
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 09, 2013, 11:48:41 AM
So is Guthrie govan touring with SW this time around?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 09, 2013, 03:39:17 PM
This stuff is really good. SO PROG though.

For Steven, who used to be the opposite of "long, drawn out solos," (don't get me wrong there's definitely some on older PT releases and whatnot) this new album is full of them. Not a bad thing, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 09, 2013, 03:43:19 PM
About to give it a shot. :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 09, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
I think I'm the only one on this forum who liked insurgents more than GfD :lol
Nah I do too. Insurgentes is one of my favorite albums, but GFD is not, even though I do like it quite a bit.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on January 09, 2013, 03:59:34 PM
On my second listen.  :metal
Its fucking good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 09, 2013, 04:18:25 PM
Wait, it's out?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 09, 2013, 04:19:31 PM
It's out if you know where to look.

My thoughts after giving it a few spins. It's miles better than GFD, I don't know if I like it more than Insurgents simply because there are so few tracks, and some of the tracks don't really click with me.

Dat ending solo in Drive Home
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 09, 2013, 04:20:34 PM
The bass in the opening of Luminol. :metal :metal :metal And that first vocal thing is so Yes. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 09, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Well that's quite an early leak.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 09, 2013, 04:59:07 PM
Gave The Raven a go this afternoon.

I dug much of it, but I cannot forget the similarities in a few parts/songs.

"Luminol" the 1st 3 or 4 minutes use almost the identical interval pattern from Savatage's "Turns to Me"
"The Pin Drop" Kevin Gilbert's "Water Under the Bridge" the rhythm of the acoustic guitar is nearly the same.
"The Watchmaker"  I swear I heard moments that channeled Oceansize's "Only Twin" although I suppose that is more in a a similar tone/mood/key and layering, but not as much from a technical standpoint.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on January 09, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Finally able to get into Steven Wilson's work these past few months, thanks to Porcupine Tree, and now I'm just listening to GFD, Insurgentes, really liking everything  :yarr
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 09, 2013, 05:07:28 PM

"The Watchmaker"  I swear I heard moments that channeled Oceansize's "Only Twin" although I suppose that is more in a a similar tone/mood/key and layering, but not as much from a technical standpoint.

I'll see if I hear the same when I listen to it on Friday.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 09, 2013, 06:39:28 PM
lol leaks
Not listening...

Anyway, lots more tour dates on sale, guys: Philly, Buffalo, Montreal, NYC, Pittsburgh Cleveland, SF, LA... GODDAMMIT WHY NOT BOULDER
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 09, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
lol wtf I don't know how to delete a post so I'll just edit it
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 09, 2013, 08:01:38 PM
Wow, I am really digging this album. Lots of beautiful parts. I'm quite in love with the piano in The Watchmaker, mainly.

I'll have to keep listening to see if I prefer it over Grace for Drowning, but right now there's not really a song that holds this back, while GFD had a few imo. Time will tell. Until then, I'll just enjoy the outstanding music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 10, 2013, 06:10:49 AM
Song ranking time:

Drive Home
The Raven
The Watchmaker
Luminol
The Pin Drop
The Holy Drinker
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 06:47:19 AM
Me and the fiancé will be at the Philly show!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on January 10, 2013, 08:30:41 AM
What an album! There's just so much in here to absorb, I'll certainly have to listen to it for a couple more days before I'm able to say anything. I'm surprised some of you can already rank the songs.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 10, 2013, 08:35:36 AM
lol leaks
Not listening...


This.  :tup

Guess I'm gonna have to avoid this thread for awhile... Hope I see some of you guys in Philly, though!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 10, 2013, 09:17:36 AM
I'm not floored, just quite pleased with the music. And since I was massively turned off by 70% or GFD and generally all of SW's output over the last few years, this is already a huge (but not unforseen, I was expecting to quite like the album) success.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on January 10, 2013, 09:52:41 AM
Anyone interested in the Opeth/Steven Wilson coheadline show in upstate NY? Im thinking of going with my girlfriend but idk what to expect from this.


EDIT: just noticed the opeth thread about this. sorry.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 10, 2013, 09:56:04 AM
This is the most beautiful album I've heard in a long time. It's a masterpiece; every song is absolutely gorgeous. I need more time with it still...but it's amazing. Raven blew me out of the water.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: NecessaryPain on January 10, 2013, 10:57:09 AM
It's actually quite insulting that one man can make such brilliant, beautiful music in such a short space of time.

It's mind-boggling how talanted this man is.

After just one listen, I place Raven above both Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning....and I seriously love both of those albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 10, 2013, 05:56:27 PM
The title track is so good. Can't stop singing the "sing to me, raven" part <3
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 10, 2013, 06:09:33 PM
I really, really like The Pin Drop.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 10, 2013, 06:14:16 PM
I really, really like The Pin Drop.

Agreed. I actually don't dislike a single song on this album, like I did with GFD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 10, 2013, 09:23:28 PM
It's all so amazing. If Wilson keeps making stuff like this, I really couldn't care less if PT disbands. Drive Home is fucking fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2013, 05:03:26 AM
After my first listen of the album:

Luminol - Amazing, but I already knew that.
Drive Home - Chorus reminded me a bit of Blackfield, had a bit of an Art-Rock vibe with some haunting melodies and great music.
The Holy Drinker - Probably my least favorite as of now. Felt a bit "progressive for the sake of being progressive", but not bad at all. Quite cool still.
The Pin Drop - Not what I expected considering it's fairly short length. Interesting vocals, pretty cool song overall.
The Watchmaker - Really nice of acoustic guitars. One of the best songs as of now, really enjoyed it.
The Raven That Refused to Sing - Kinda like Deform 2.0, though different. Loved this one, best on the album and it will most likely be up there among my favorite songs this year.

All in all: Superb album so far. Would have loved maybe one more song focusing a bit more on the melodic/poppy side of SW's songwriting, but Raven really made up for it as a closing song. Sweet album, too early to rank it against GfD or Insurgentes yet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on January 11, 2013, 05:52:45 AM
The Holy Drinker sounds exactly what I was really expecting from Heritage.  If Opeth had written that song things might have turned out a lot differently regarding everyone's reaction to Heritage.  I'd apply the "progressive for the sake of it" description to "The Watchmaker."

Overall I think the album embraces old-style progressive rock a bit too much.  True only half of the tracks really do that but they're also all longer than 10 minutes so I guess it feels like that sound takes over the album.  A step down from the previous two, especially GFD, which was definitely prog-influenced but still sounded like fresh, modern music.  The album's certainly not bad.  I think the only song I'm close to disliking would be "The Watchmaker."

Song rankings so far:

The Raven that Refused to Sing
The Holy Drinker
The Pin Drop
Luminol
Drive Home
The Watchmaker
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 11, 2013, 06:21:39 AM
Hmm, just had my first listen. I must say that as with Storm Corrosion, and Heritage, I really really love the soft song at the end. Leaves you in a great mood, and wanting to just start over with the album again.

And then, I love the heavy stuff, one song had a very slow doomsey riff at the end, I loved that, and I like the little light-prog stuff. Having a bass play high, and not filling up the low with a synth or low guitar. Just choosing to not have a low sound at all at that moment. I like that, reminds me of Yes' bass parts.

Overall it needs to grow, but I like it more than I liked Insurgentes and GfD after the first listen.

Oh and: I must compliment SW on his vocals, better than I've ever heard of him. Especially the intro of The Pin Drop springs to mind.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on January 11, 2013, 08:23:00 AM
So is Guthrie govan touring with SW this time around?

Yep he is. Looking forward to seeing him.

I've spun Raven and I'm floored too. It took me months to get into GFD but this seems to be growing quite quickly, I've only listened through a few times so I can't really say much more than that, other than that I already knew and loved Luminol thanks to the DVD (the bass at 1:50 is sooo awesome, as is the percussion when it joins in), the chorus of Drive Home is utterly beautiful and that's the track I''m stuck on atm (I tend to get into albums by listening through, catching something I love and then hammering that to bits until I move onto another track), The Holy Drinker's groove is immense and I don't really know the rest all that well yet.

I was pretty sad when Porcupine Tree went on hiatus, but to be honest as long as Wilson keeps making music I'm happy. I can't believe how much quality music he seems to churn out on a constant basis. If I could only listen to the works of one musician for the rest of my life it'd be him, without question. God I love it when I get a new album I know I'm almost definitely gonna love. This is gonna be it for the next several weeks...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 11, 2013, 08:27:21 AM
Sweet! I've always wanted to see Guthrie!

So far my fav songs haven't changed. Drive Home is the best, followed by The Raven. I'm really digging the album, I've spun it maybe 10 times or so.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on January 11, 2013, 08:27:36 AM
This sounds pretty fantastic thus far (shocking, I know :biggrin:).  If he keeps writing music this good, I don't care what label he puts on it - Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree, whatever.  We all win. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: NecessaryPain on January 11, 2013, 08:30:54 AM
I think Raven is the best closer SW has ever made. Quite a bold statement considering there's songs like Sleep Together, Dark Matter, Stop Swimming etc

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 11, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
It's actually kind of annoying to see all this discussion about the album so early, so I'll probably just duck out of this thread for a while. All US dates appear to be on sale, although I still can't get mine on the venue's site.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 11, 2013, 09:11:43 AM
The album is growing a lot for me. Honestly I expected less from SW after the disappointment that was to me GFD. At the moment the my top tracks are:

Drive Home
The Holy Drinker
Raven

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
I don't see this album beating GfD for me in the long run, but it is really good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 11, 2013, 09:17:45 AM
It's actually kind of annoying to see all this discussion about the album so early, so I'll probably just duck out of this thread for a while. All US dates appear to be on sale, although I still can't get mine on the venue's site.
Ditto, though I feel like leaks are always discussed here, unless it’s DT. Hopefully all of you pirates can hold back some of your thoughts there’s still something to talk about for us upstanding citizens when the album actually comes out.   
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on January 11, 2013, 09:18:57 AM
I'll still be buying this the second it becomes available, and I doubt talk about this will die down any time soon, so fear not. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2013, 09:36:34 AM
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on January 11, 2013, 09:39:16 AM
The album is growing a lot for me. Honestly I expected less from SW after the disappointment that was to me GFD. At the moment the my top tracks are:

Drive Home
The Holy Drinker
Raven

I was disappointed by GFD for months. Then suddenly it clicked. So um... don't give up?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 11, 2013, 09:40:31 AM
My first listen was very meh, second was great. This will most likely overtake GFD without a problem.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 11, 2013, 09:44:59 AM
Holy hell, The Watchmaker just clicked... Wow. The second half of that song is utterly fantastic. The beginning portion is great, but it's almost 'too much' prog. Very heavy on the prog aspect this time around. All of it is in fact, but the first half of TW is balls to the wall progressive. The latter half is a bit more relaxed and it works so damn well for balancing the songs out.

I really don't think there's a single second on this album that doesn't blow me away or that I don't completely love. What a masterpiece. This is by far my favorite album from SW in years and years. I can't even choose a favorite or do a ranking because they're all #1. That sounds like a cop-out but it's true; I love every minute of this thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 11, 2013, 09:53:42 AM
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 11, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
I think Raven is the best closer SW has ever made. Quite a bold statement considering there's songs like Sleep Together, Dark Matter, Stop Swimming etc



I'd agree it's up there. Maybe not Collapse the Light Into Earth level, but still, it's an amazing closer. Makes you want to listen to the album again.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2013, 10:11:30 AM
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?

I think all versions are here: https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/
Happy hunting :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 11, 2013, 10:19:49 AM
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?

I think all versions are here: https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/
Happy hunting :D
Damn. That box looks nice, but it’s weird they give you both the BluRay and DVD audio, instead of the BluRay and Vinyl. The way it’s set up is kinda redundant if you ask me.

Looks like I’m going with the Vinyl, too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 11, 2013, 10:25:59 AM
Normally I'm all for waiting until the album comes out, but this time I just couldn't resist. Have already preordered the deluxe version an the vinyl, so looking forward to that.
Will try to not post too much about it until it comes out. :P
What are the different packages available? I did a quick check but only saw the normal CD and the big all-inclusive thing. Anything in between available?

I think all versions are here: https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/
Happy hunting :D
Damn. That box looks nice, but it’s weird they give you both the BluRay and DVD audio, instead of the BluRay and Vinyl. The way it’s set up is kinda redundant if you ask me.

Looks like I’m going with the Vinyl, too.

Yeah maybe, haha. I did pickup the deluxe version of Grace For Drowning as well as the album on Vinyl and normal CD, and the deluxe version of GfD was totally worth it. I haven't seen the pages/book for Raven yet, but it's not Lasse Hoile this time, so it will be interesting to see something "different". Plus I imagine the ghost stories/pictures might work well with the music. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on January 11, 2013, 10:53:30 AM
Holy hell, The Watchmaker just clicked... Wow. The second half of that song is utterly fantastic. The beginning portion is great, but it's almost 'too much' prog. Very heavy on the prog aspect this time around. All of it is in fact, but the first half of TW is balls to the wall progressive. The latter half is a bit more relaxed and it works so damn well for balancing the songs out.

I do think that, with the Watchmaker in particular, it is too much prog.  It's like Ministry of Lost Souls, except the instrumental sections are pleasant to listen to outside of the context of the song.  I like them, but the mood set by the beginning section and lyrics is so good and then the prog stuff takes me right out of a great experience. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jaq on January 11, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
Got one word to describe this album.

Prog.

Need a few more? Oodles and oodles of prog. It comes dangerously close on occasion to being too self consciously prog-I get what people are saying about The Watchmaker-but manages to skate away from the edge before it goes too far. I've not been fond of either of Wilson's solo albums-or failing that, in the case of GFD, not AS fond of it as others-but I like this one a lot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on January 11, 2013, 03:32:49 PM
Its way too early to tell where I'd place the album, but currently I'm enjoying it more than GFD and Insurgentes, both of which I love.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 11, 2013, 03:41:35 PM
Holy hell, The Watchmaker just clicked... Wow. The second half of that song is utterly fantastic. The beginning portion is great, but it's almost 'too much' prog. Very heavy on the prog aspect this time around. All of it is in fact, but the first half of TW is balls to the wall progressive. The latter half is a bit more relaxed and it works so damn well for balancing the songs out.

I do think that, with the Watchmaker in particular, it is too much prog.  It's like Ministry of Lost Souls, except the instrumental sections are pleasant to listen to outside of the context of the song.  I like them, but the mood set by the beginning section and lyrics is so good and then the prog stuff takes me right out of a great experience.

I don't look at it as a bad thing, on the contrary; I needed an album like this. I've been engulfed in metal and getting back into hip-hop/rap so something like this right now is right up my ally. I have no idea what you mean by MoLS comparison; I really hate that song and don't see any similarities at all, but each person hears similarities/differences in incomparable ways. The ending verses before the finale of a lover being temporary and waiting for gold are so gorgeous, it's what solidifies this song along the others. But in terms of comparisons, The Watchmaker is still towards the bottom of the rankings. That said, I'm finally starting to sort out song-by-song which parts I like the best. Still need more time with this incredibly deep album.

The first few listens make it seem like this album isn't all that diverse, and it isn't in regards to genre; but in its own way it is...tough to explain but I love it. The entire feel of the album is so cohesive while still feeling like each song has its own story to tell. I definitely see where Wilson was going with the Poe-esque approach to an anthology. It works very well, and the title makes a lot more sense considering I still think Raven is the core of everything. It blows everything else out of the water and yet the other songs all lead up to that climax; it wouldn't be as incredible without them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 11, 2013, 07:59:24 PM
I hadn't thought of it like, Tio-- it does seem as though every song builds towards the title track as a climax. And what a climax it is. Honestly, I cannot stop listening to that song, it's one of the most beautiful tracks Steven has created and that's saying a lot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 11, 2013, 09:25:18 PM
I can honestly say that the first four and a half tracks were great. Then the youtube uploader got banned.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 12, 2013, 05:18:01 AM
Second listen. Growing like hell. Wow.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on January 12, 2013, 05:47:54 AM
Second row for the Boston show!! 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jonny108 on January 12, 2013, 09:02:59 AM
Nice little story I found out last night.  Nick Beggs, the bass player for Steve once auditioned for the position of guitarist with The Human League. There were only two people who auditioned and the guitarist from my band got the job :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Index on January 12, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
Whoa this leaked already? Must resist... but man February is such a loong time from now.  :-\ Maybe I'll just cave in.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on January 12, 2013, 04:47:48 PM
On my second listen, Luminol is clicking this time right :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 12, 2013, 04:51:37 PM
Luminol is excellent. My favorite of the four songs I've heard in their entirety.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on January 12, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
The new album is utterly fucking amazing, I'm not even going to try and rank it amongst the three as they're all 10/10 for me atm. I don't think I've been this excited about a show in my entire life, and I've been to see a LOT of important (to me) gigs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 12, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Yeah, after maybe half a dozen listens I'm absolutely loving this album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: HarlequinForest on January 13, 2013, 12:39:06 AM
Deliverance @ 9:39 in The Watchmaker.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: angelusredgrove on January 13, 2013, 03:24:11 AM
^ Holy crap, can't believe i missed that!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on January 13, 2013, 03:28:25 AM
Only listened to it once so far, but it sounds like a pretty big letdown. Don't like all the wanky Prog stuff just shoved into the songs, and the melodic bits sound pretty generic. Lyrics weren't the best either.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on January 13, 2013, 09:41:55 AM
Only listened to it once so far, but it sounds like a pretty big letdown. Don't like all the wanky Prog stuff just shoved into the songs, and the melodic bits sound pretty generic. Lyrics weren't the best either.

Just shoved? This isn't Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 13, 2013, 09:53:01 AM
Lyrics weren't the best either.
I quite liked the lyrics. Each line flowed together very smoothly. No awkwardness.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 13, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
Only listened to it once so far, but it sounds like a pretty big letdown. Don't like all the wanky Prog stuff just shoved into the songs, and the melodic bits sound pretty generic. Lyrics weren't the best either.

Just shoved? This isn't Dream Theater.

This pretty much. I could understand the problem if we were talking about BC&SL for example, but personally I don't think there's anything out of place on Raven.
Opinions I guess
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 13, 2013, 10:21:32 AM
I don't think there's anything out of place on Raven.
Opinions I guess
Agreed. "Proggy" has sort of become a bad word for some people. But it's really unnecessary prog that is the problem. Well-placed prog, like any other musical tool, can be quite effective. I think it is the latter case for TRTRTS:(aos).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 13, 2013, 10:35:52 AM
Giving it my first listen... So far I am enjoying it more than GfD. (Can't compare to his first solo album because I haven't listened to Insergentes enough to judge).

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on January 13, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
Felt bad listening early but I have ordered it.

Hard to tell where this is going to be ranked against his albums. Absolutely loving the title track, I've enjoyed Luminol for months now. Pin Drop sounds similar to a Dream Theater song in a way (so unexpectedly I like that).

The Watchmaker is fantastic along with Drive Home. The Holy Drinker hasn't clicked yet however. Felt proggy for the sake of being proggy. Hopefully it'll fall into some place some day.

I already want more from him. ::)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on January 13, 2013, 02:53:28 PM
I don't think there's anything out of place on Raven.
Opinions I guess
Agreed. "Proggy" has sort of become a bad word for some people. But it's really unnecessary prog that is the problem. Well-placed prog, like any other musical tool, can be quite effective. I think it is the latter case for TRTRTS:(aos).
That is the best abreviation ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 13, 2013, 06:12:30 PM
I cannot get over how much I love the title track.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 13, 2013, 06:30:03 PM
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on January 13, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
I cannot get over how much I love the title track.

Same <3 I'm so in love with it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 13, 2013, 07:00:24 PM
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.
That seems like the best way to categorize each album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 13, 2013, 08:03:36 PM
I cannot get over how much I love the title track.

Same <3 I'm so in love with it.

 + :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 14, 2013, 05:25:02 AM
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.
That seems like the best way to categorize each album.

Really?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 14, 2013, 07:24:39 AM
I can wait until February 23. From glossing over reaction here, it seems like the album is Steven's prog experiment the same way Insurgentes was his noise music experiment and Grace for Drowning his jazz experiment.
I'd say that as well, and now that's quite more likely considering the fact that this time, the band he recorded with he was already familiar with and it has some of prog's best exponents (Minnemann, Govan).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 14, 2013, 07:27:03 AM
Guys, not to turn this into a big debate, but I would argue prog is about a little bit of deliberate out of place-ness in different ways, so I just don't get how could it be out of place, nor in place for that matter. It's just... there. And I don't get the "prog for the sake of prog", especially if it were coming from someone like Steven. I mean, what other sake is there for being prog? I think that every good musician goes into the studio to write and record something he'll like and something that will be fun for him. No "let's put a little prog in here" but "let's put a little prog in here because it will go down well" or "let's put some interesting stuff here" and then it turns out proggy or jazzy or whatever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 14, 2013, 07:42:56 AM
I think people aren’t really realizing that Steve Wilson’s music is usually very deliberate anyway. The difference is, most of us don’t listen to noise and jazz regularly, so we didn’t notice how deliberate his last few records were. But most of us are pretty familiar with prog, so obviously it now sticks out.

Just guessing anyway. Haven’t listened to this yet so I don’t know exactly how deliberate it is. The fact that it’s basically a full band effort does intrigue me, however. I won’t be surprised if it’s more a group of guys creating original music around their common influences and less Steve Wilson doing his own, usually pretty bizarre,thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2013, 07:58:57 AM
Personally I think the "Prog for the sake of being Prog" has become pretty normal in Progressive Rock/Metal today. I don't think it's the case with the new SW album, but in general I've discovered it here and there.
I think long songs can be awesome as long as they have a reason for being long. Sometimes it feels like a band writes a long song, because they want to make a long song, and there's parts in the song that doesn't maker it better or adds anything to it.

Personally I think that's the case with some of DT's later albums. Some songs are really long, but a lot of the instrumental parts and "prog" doesn't add anything to the song or make it better, it's just a showcase of skills to me.
A song should be as long as possible in order to be as good as it can be. If that means the song should be 4 minuter or 15 minuter, that comes down to what you can do with the song.

In conclusion the term "prog for the sake of being prog" is often used when something feels out of place or doesn't necessarily fit with the rest of the song, it's just there to make the song longer, or show the listeners that the musicians are talented at what they do. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 14, 2013, 08:24:53 AM
Personally I think the "Prog for the sake of being Prog" has become pretty normal in Progressive Rock/Metal today. I don't think it's the case with the new SW album, but in general I've discovered it here and there.
I think long songs can be awesome as long as they have a reason for being long. Sometimes it feels like a band writes a long song, because they want to make a long song, and there's parts in the song that doesn't maker it better or adds anything to it.

Personally I think that's the case with some of DT's later albums. Some songs are really long, but a lot of the instrumental parts and "prog" doesn't add anything to the song or make it better, it's just a showcase of skills to me.
A song should be as long as possible in order to be as good as it can be. If that means the song should be 4 minuter or 15 minuter, that comes down to what you can do with the song.

In conclusion the term "prog for the sake of being prog" is often used when something feels out of place or doesn't necessarily fit with the rest of the song, it's just there to make the song longer, or show the listeners that the musicians are talented at what they do. :P
My point was that it might be often with younger bands enamoured with the idea that songs can be 20 minutes long and things can have twists and turns and blah blah. I would like to think experienced, honest musicians such as the DT guys or SW do things because it sounds good to them; if a song is too long, you can blame it on their personal taste in music or writing rather than on their desire to make an 80-minute-album.

I never got the "showcase of skills" part at all. It comes down to knowing musicians. If you listen to John Petrucci talk about guitar-playing and writing, it is clear that the dude isn't in love with the sound of himself shredding. He would be a fool not to be proud of his technical skill because he knows he's worked hard to get where he is, but he is not the guitar hero type, he even said he didn't like the term much and that there are guys who can play him under the table. So if he writes something overly wanky, it's not there to show listeners how awesome he is, but because he simply went overboard in something, and "overboard" is at a different place for a lot of people.

If a long song isn't good and feels too long, I imagine that would be because there's more time to fail in a 14-minute-song than a 4-minute-song. And because it's hard to write 10+ minutes of a consistent, cohesive song - hell, look at how often our favorite artists fail in it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2013, 08:31:25 AM
Yeah I agree with you pretty much, I think it's more common with younger bands who try to write longer songs. It can often seem very obvious that they were trying to write a long song rather than writing a really good song.

As long as the quality of the song comes first I don't really care. If it's good, then it's good. If parts of a song are entirely out of place and drags the song out, then the quality of those individual parts won't save the song as a whole.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 14, 2013, 08:36:33 AM
As long as the quality of the song comes first I don't really care. If it's good, then it's good. If parts of a song are entirely out of place and drags the song out, then the quality of those individual parts won't save the song as a whole.
*nods thinking of ANTR and Beautiful Agony*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 14, 2013, 08:43:29 AM
Guys, not to turn this into a big debate, but I would argue prog is about a little bit of deliberate out of place-ness in different ways, so I just don't get how could it be out of place, nor in place for that matter. It's just... there. And I don't get the "prog for the sake of prog", especially if it were coming from someone like Steven. I mean, what other sake is there for being prog? I think that every good musician goes into the studio to write and record something he'll like and something that will be fun for him. No "let's put a little prog in here" but "let's put a little prog in here because it will go down well" or "let's put some interesting stuff here" and then it turns out proggy or jazzy or whatever.

I love you right now. Thank you for saying that. I've been wanting to address that ridiculous statement. "Prog for the sake of prog"...? Really? Fuckin' a... It's a statement that says absolutely nothing at all. When it comes to someone as meticulous as Wilson, everything is deliberate. I couldn't have said it better myself. It's there for a reason. Listen and enjoy. That's asking way too (little?) much of most though. To each his/her own. If someone wants to analyze something so menial, eh; whatever floats their boat.

I was listening to The Holy Drinker, driving back home in a wretched, really horrible storm that just died down as I walked in the door (of course) and somewhere along the ride that song just clicked for me. I love the intro and outro so much; but the insanity in between really accentuates the feeling of the song set in the beginning that comes together in a really ominous way at the end. Awesome song. I don't think I'm going to do an official ranking or anything of the like for this album. It'd feel like I'm forcing it. This album is too perfect. I mean really. I've been looking for faults or areas that don't appeal to me and I can't find any. Damn it, Wilson. I hope this man lives forever and keeps making music like this until the universe dies.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on January 14, 2013, 08:52:02 AM
My point was that it might be often with younger bands enamoured with the idea that songs can be 20 minutes long and things can have twists and turns and blah blah. I would like to think experienced, honest musicians such as the DT guys or SW do things because it sounds good to them; if a song is too long, you can blame it on their personal taste in music or writing rather than on their desire to make an 80-minute-album.
Agreed. What I would call "prog for the sake of being prog" is what the new bands are doing: "Look at us, we have a double concept album with a 40-minute song!!!" The length of the songs and the amount of time signatures =/= the quality of the songwriting.

I never listen to leaks in advance and this time is no exception, but these comments about the album sounding really proggy and 70s makes me wonder if Steven has had a change of heart regarding stuff in vein of some old bands - he always says he thinks The Sky Moves Sideways sounds too much like Pink Floyd (something I strongly disagree with - those electronic influences make the album more modern) and has called neo-prog bands regressive because of the throwbacks into 70s. Then why would he start writing stuff like that as well? I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing - I think Heritage by Opeth is a great album - and obviously taking a step into that direction continues the evolution of his writing, but he also seems to contradict himself.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 14, 2013, 09:35:26 AM
As long as the quality of the song comes first I don't really care. If it's good, then it's good. If parts of a song are entirely out of place and drags the song out, then the quality of those individual parts won't save the song as a whole.
*nods thinking of ANTR and Beautiful Agony*

Hey, you disagreed when I told you the exact same thing! (providing the exact same example!)

I never listen to leaks in advance and this time is no exception, but these comments about the album sounding really proggy and 70s makes me wonder if Steven has had a change of heart regarding stuff in vein of some old bands - he always says he thinks The Sky Moves Sideways sounds too much like Pink Floyd (something I strongly disagree with - those electronic influences make the album more modern) and has called neo-prog bands regressive because of the throwbacks into 70s. Then why would he start writing stuff like that as well? I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing - I think Heritage by Opeth is a great album - and obviously taking a step into that direction continues the evolution of his writing, but he also seems to contradict himself.

Yes, one of the first things I felt when I began liking this album (2nd listen) is that there seem to be a reestablished continuity with the early Porcupine Tree production, now acting as a complementary influence to his current musical mindset. I greatly appreciated the result of this synthesis, that is particularly evident in songs like Drive Home.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 14, 2013, 10:08:07 AM
Hey, you disagreed when I told you the exact same thing! (providing the exact same example!)
Did I really say Beautiful Agony can save ANTR? Because my opinion changed after I re-listened to it :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 14, 2013, 10:08:28 AM
My point was that it might be often with younger bands enamoured with the idea that songs can be 20 minutes long and things can have twists and turns and blah blah. I would like to think experienced, honest musicians such as the DT guys or SW do things because it sounds good to them; if a song is too long, you can blame it on their personal taste in music or writing rather than on their desire to make an 80-minute-album.
Agreed. What I would call "prog for the sake of being prog" is what the new bands are doing: "Look at us, we have a double concept album with a 40-minute song!!!" The length of the songs and the amount of time signatures =/= the quality of the songwriting.

I never listen to leaks in advance and this time is no exception, but these comments about the album sounding really proggy and 70s makes me wonder if Steven has had a change of heart regarding stuff in vein of some old bands - he always says he thinks The Sky Moves Sideways sounds too much like Pink Floyd (something I strongly disagree with - those electronic influences make the album more modern) and has called neo-prog bands regressive because of the throwbacks into 70s. Then why would he start writing stuff like that as well? I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing - I think Heritage by Opeth is a great album - and obviously taking a step into that direction continues the evolution of his writing, but he also seems to contradict himself.

I don't think it sounds 70's at all; not the least bit in any way. On the contrary, it sounds very modern and progressive (L0l not in the sense of the genre). I wouldn't judge it based off people's comments; wait to hear it before attempting to form any kind of opinion, because this is a very deep album with a lot of different aspects to it. At the same time, the band is so cohesive and so well formed that all these different sounds don't make it feel overwhelming in the slightest. It really is a beautifully constructed album. He isn't contradicting himself because this is leaps and bounds away from what Wilson was referring to; and Heritage is a good example of how far away this music is in terms of vision and composition. Heritage is a wonderful album, but also a stark contrast to this music; it almost seems minimalistic (and even more so; Storm Corrosion) in comparison to this robust, all-encompassing music that still lets the listener breathe. I think it's masterfully constructed in both its conception and execution; it definitely could have ended up sounding like too much or bombarded the listener with noise. However, here is an array of instruments and a lot of different ideas that come together like a big sexy puzzle.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2013, 10:16:19 AM
While it sounds modern, I think part of what makes it sound 70's are the clear influences by bands like Yes and King Crimson for example. SW does make his own music out of it, and I love the music. But Luminol for example sounds quite a bit like Yes for example, and while it sounds modern, the Yes-influence makes me think of their 70's albums. :P
Same with the King Crimson-influenced stuff.

So yeah, it sounds modern, but also has quite a few hints to the past.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 14, 2013, 10:31:57 AM
There's definitely hints and bits here 'n there that stand out, but overall I'd say they're few and far between to consider the entire album '70's-vibe'. But yeah definitely the beginning of Luminol, for sure. :laugh: That's actually the only moment that stands out to me as being 70's, personally. KC's influence will always be there, but I don't like them very much and listened to them for a while only to better understand Wilson's beginnings. So people will hear different aspects more prominently and come to a different conclusion, as always of course. Although overall I think the differences between this and an album like Heritage (which is absolutely riddled with 70's influences, vibe, and could have almost come out of that time as is, even in production style) are like day and night.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Silver Tears on January 14, 2013, 11:15:07 AM
Yeah, after maybe half a dozen listens I'm absolutely loving this album.

Can't believe when I first came squeeing to you about the album you were all "meh"  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on January 14, 2013, 11:16:46 AM
Yeah, after maybe half a dozen listens I'm absolutely loving this album.

Can't believe when I first came squeeing to you about the album you were all "meh"  :P

SHURRUP YOU
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: glaurung on January 14, 2013, 11:47:42 AM
lolian
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on January 16, 2013, 12:39:16 AM
I don't think it sounds 70's at all; not the least bit in any way. On the contrary, it sounds very modern and progressive (L0l not in the sense of the genre).
Ok, maybe I just imagined the 70s thing! :lol So it's just really proggy? Anyway, I'll listen before judging, as always.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TL on January 18, 2013, 10:10:27 PM
So I gave the album a listen. I really like it. I can't wait for my copy to arrive to see how the 5.1 mix sounds.

Very different from GFD and Storm Corrosion. While I liked those, I'm glad he switched it up a bit here. Those albums were really interesting, but the style of them would get a bit diluted if he kept it up.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jaq on January 18, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
I don't think it sounds 70's at all; not the least bit in any way. On the contrary, it sounds very modern and progressive (L0l not in the sense of the genre).
Ok, maybe I just imagined the 70s thing! :lol So it's just really proggy? Anyway, I'll listen before judging, as always.

It sounds very 70s to me in terms of songwriting, just with a more modern production to it. Still a damn good album, so no complaints here, but this is the closest to classic prog SW's come yet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: HarlequinForest on January 19, 2013, 01:31:56 AM
I think its his best solo album yet.

So far:

1. The Raven = The Pin Drop
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. The Holy Drinker
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on January 19, 2013, 02:04:41 AM
I think its his best solo album yet.

So far:

1. The Raven = The Pin Drop
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. The Holy Drinker


I totally agree.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 19, 2013, 02:13:02 AM
The album is still growing and has reached the "exceptional" level for me. So far:

1. Drive Home / The Raven That Refused To Sing
3. The Holy Drinker
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. The Pin Drop
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2013, 03:01:50 AM
1. The Raven That Refused to Sing
2. The Watchmaker
3. Luminol
4. Drive Home
5. The Holy Drinker
6. The Pin Drop
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 19, 2013, 09:38:10 AM
The Raven That Refused to Sing
The Watchmaker
Drive Home
Luminol
The Pin Drop
The Holy Drinker
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
I think its his best solo album yet.

So far:

1. The Raven = The Pin Drop
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. The Holy Drinker
Glad to see someone else loves The Pin Drop as much as me. :tup That song is gorgeous.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on January 21, 2013, 01:50:51 PM
1. The Raven That Refused to Sing = Drive Home
3. Luminol
4. The Holy Drinker
5. The Pin Drop
6. The Watchmaker

It's all good though. I think he had a slight - I mean really, slight - dip on The Incident and to a lesser extent Grace for Drowning (which was really damn good in its own way), but I haven't been so pleased with a new SW record since Deadwing. I'm not a particular fan of his ballads, but here they are easily the best songs IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 21, 2013, 04:11:37 PM
4:25 of The Watchmaker = Rayman 2. I can't unhear it.


Also...Luminol is the best them. Actually, it's one of the best songs I've heard out of any of Steven's work since FOABP.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 21, 2013, 05:42:20 PM
1. The Raven That Refused to Sing = Drive Home
3. Luminol
4. The Holy Drinker
5. The Pin Drop
6. The Watchmaker

It's all good though. I think he had a slight - I mean really, slight - dip on The Incident and to a lesser extent Grace for Drowning (which was really damn good in its own way), but I haven't been so pleased with a new SW record since Deadwing. I'm not a particular fan of his ballads, but here they are easily the best songs IMO.

Switch out Pin Drop for Holy Drinker and that's where I stand with my list at the moment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 22, 2013, 08:08:03 AM
So looks like there's now a US/CA merch website! https://www.stevenwilsonmerch.com/

There are glow-in-the-dark shirts and bundles... but no deluxe edition. Oh well. Not paying $100 with shipping, so guess I'll get the regular.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mindflux on January 22, 2013, 08:13:54 AM
So looks like there's now a US/CA merch website! https://www.stevenwilsonmerch.com/

There are glow-in-the-dark shirts and bundles... but no deluxe edition. Oh well. Not paying $100 with shipping, so guess I'll get the regular.

Indeed very sad to see no deluxe edition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 22, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
Yeah :(. I'm also not seeing whether the vinyl comes with a download. I assume so since that's pretty standard these days, but would like to know before I order it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on January 22, 2013, 10:19:00 AM
I can't get over how badass the bass guitar sounds in Luminol. Speaking of which, this whole albums has huge balls without being metal at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on January 22, 2013, 11:04:31 AM
I think I expected way too much from this record, being that Luminol, for my money, might be the best Steven Wilson solo song. Unfortunately, the rest of the album wasn't as great as its opener. The Watchmaker is up there, pretty awesome track, but the remaining four didn't strike a chord with me. They're fine, just not breathtaking like Luminol.

My ranking:

Luminol
The Watchmaker
Holy drinker
The Raven that refused to sing
The Pin drop
Drive home

I slightly prefer Grace for drowning. That one had a couple of lackluster songs as well, but more great ones.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 22, 2013, 11:10:36 AM
I think I expected way too much from this record, being that Luminol, for my money, might be the best Steven Wilson solo song. Unfortunately, the rest of the album wasn't as great as its opener.
Agreed; this is my opinion right now. There aren't any bad songs, or even lackluster as you say, but the only only that is memorable and innovative is Luminol. It's probably the only one I'll listen to after going through a few more spins of the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 22, 2013, 11:45:19 AM
You two are fuckin' nuts. This whole album is memorable. Every minute of it is absolutely perfect. I can't bring myself to do a ranking. Actually, I will:

1. Luminol; Drive Home; The Holy Drinker; The Pin Drop; The Watchmaker; The Raven That Refused To Fuck (And Other Rape Stories)

There. There's your damn ranking. Every time I think I've chosen my 'favorite', I find a section or moment in another song that puts it up to the top, and do that throughout the time I've listened to the album and by the time I get to Raven it's just all one big orgasm.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on January 22, 2013, 11:47:51 AM
Inb4 "Steven Wilson defines an album as a SINGLE musical statement, so to rank it's tracks would otherwise breakdown the artist's intent rather than to enjoy the album from start-to-finish"

:neverusethis:

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on January 22, 2013, 12:07:11 PM
You two are fuckin' nuts. This whole album is memorable. 

This.

But I think knowing Luminol already from the live Blu-Ray is making it hard for me to think of it in the context of the album.  It is like, okay, there is that live song and then a bunch of new songs.  But that often happens when I get to know a single song from an album before hearing the rest, like when a single is released weeks before we hear the whole album, so I'll adjust eventually.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on January 22, 2013, 02:14:29 PM
I don't know, man. I had already had three songs I preferred over On the backs of angels only after my third listen to A Dramatic turn of events. It sometimes also happens that you completely forget about the single and how good the song actually is because you're getting into the rest of the album. That only happens if the rest of the album is awesome, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on January 22, 2013, 06:53:29 PM
Anyone who likes Luminol more than the title track is CRAZY. CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 22, 2013, 07:18:13 PM
Luminol is my least favourite track to be honest. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 22, 2013, 10:33:49 PM
lol @ "the album is not memorable"

An album usually requires at least 5 listens to be completely registered in your head especially a prog album  ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 22, 2013, 10:36:36 PM
Also the production is amazing... I feel like I'm in the room listening to the musicians play. Everything just sounds very natural
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 22, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
Also the production is amazing... I feel like I'm in the room listening to the musicians play. Everything just sounds very natural
I felt this way too. Love it. :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on January 23, 2013, 02:44:01 AM
The album is memorable.

I remember all of it.

But that doesn't make it incredible.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: skydivingninja on January 23, 2013, 06:26:30 AM
I think I expected way too much from this record, being that Luminol, for my money, might be the best Steven Wilson solo song. Unfortunately, the rest of the album wasn't as great as its opener.
Agreed; this is my opinion right now. There aren't any bad songs, or even lackluster as you say, but the only only that is memorable and innovative is Luminol. It's probably the only one I'll listen to after going through a few more spins of the album.

Memorable, yeah.  Innovative?  Yes, its very innovative if you've never heard any prog before.  ;)

I listened to this a few times over the weekend and basically my opinion is the same.  I like Raven and Pin Drop, and parts of other songs.  Everything else isn't bad, but definitely not what I want from a SW solo album.  I don't think it helped that my expectations were lowered once we heard Luminol.  Easily my third-least favorite thing I've heard by him (ahead of OTSOL and DNA).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 23, 2013, 06:33:20 AM
Yeah, I've only heard luminol, but if H thinks it's "innovative" he probably hasn't listened to much classic prog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 23, 2013, 07:21:10 AM
Apparently not, then. It's a standout track, though, in SW's discography.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 23, 2013, 07:21:43 AM
I don't think every album has to be groundbreaking in order to be good. This one has it's own identity as more of a "Progressive" album, meanwhile Grace was a bit more Jazz-sounding, and Insurgentes had the Drone/Noise-thing going on.

Personally I think the album is awesome. Grace remains my favorite SW album, and honestly I didn't expect him to top it. I went into the album with lowered expectations because I did not want to be disappointed, but luckily the album was pretty awesome.
I already knew Luminol was excellent, so the fact that the other 5 songs were as well, that was a relief.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on January 23, 2013, 07:47:10 AM
I just won a pair of tickets to see his show in London in March. Psyched.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 23, 2013, 06:47:41 PM
The more I listen to this album, the more I like it. It seems like it's fast becoming my favorite thing SW has been involved in (aside from PT). The Watchmaker is really growing on me, the first half is beautiful but then the song just kinda loses me towards the end.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on January 23, 2013, 07:05:02 PM
Luminol is still my least favourite, but I love the whole album.

Unfortunately, it's less catchy than the new Coheed and Biffy, so they're taking up more time, but i'm sure i'll go back to Raven when my collector's edition arrives :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 23, 2013, 08:42:17 PM
After another listen, I can tell that I won't be coming to this album that often. Luminol and The Watchmaker are energetic and very exciting. The Holy Drinker and The Pin Drop lack something and I don't really get them. Drive Home is pretty but I've heard it before. The Raven That Refused To Sing is a toss up...I might grow to love it, or it may fade into obscurity.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 23, 2013, 08:53:40 PM
Honestly, Luminol doesn't sound that classic prog at all to me. :P Save for the really Yes-like vocal thing in the intro. The jam itself feels a lot more Krautrock than prog to me. I'm really having trouble seeing the classic prog aspects to this album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 23, 2013, 09:00:11 PM
GFD had many classic prog elements, no? I just think of the huge King Crimson influence on songs like Remainder The Black Dog and Raider II.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 23, 2013, 09:00:55 PM
Now that I think of it, I do think GFD felt a lot more classic prog than this one.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mindflux on January 24, 2013, 10:57:42 AM
The new disc (CD only) is 9.99 on Amazon right now for preorder. That's good enough for me.  Prime makes shipping free so.... :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 25, 2013, 07:50:24 AM
I think Insurgentes is still my favorite but all three are fantastic albums.

I finally just ordered the INSURGENTES DVD. Looking forward to be entertained!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 25, 2013, 11:30:14 AM
I'm finding increasingly harder to properly rank the trio: Luminol, Drinker, Watchmaker. I know for sure that I like them better than The Pin Drop, but not as much as Raven and Drive Home. They are all very strong short epics, which by the way is IMO the optimal lenght for a progressive song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on January 25, 2013, 02:18:34 PM
I'm finding increasingly harder to properly rank the trio: Luminol, Drinker, Watchmaker. I know for sure that I like them better than The Pin Drop, but not as much as Raven and Drive Home. They are all very strong short epics, which by the way is IMO the optimal lenght for a progressive song.
That's pretty much where I'm at as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 25, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
Okay I'm starting to love this album even more. Holy shit it's good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on January 25, 2013, 07:39:07 PM
The Pin Drop
The Holy Drinker
The Raven That Refused to Sing = Drive Home = The Watchmaker
Luminol

For some reason I'm obsessed with 6:12 of The Holy Drinker :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 26, 2013, 01:23:24 AM
Rankings remain pretty much the same for me.

The Raven That Refused to Sing
The Watchmaker
Luminol = Drive Home
Holy Drinker
The Pin Drop

Watchmaker is such a beautiful song. The acoustics, the whole melody-line is just amazing. (the whole album is ofc)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 26, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
Listened to the album again. It's...good. But I'm discovering that SW's music, while beautiful, is very uninspiring to me, in the motivational sense of inspiration. It makes me want to curl into a ball and cry. I honestly think that listening to too much SW is unhealthy for me. I'm gonna lay off the guy for a while. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PROGdrummer on January 26, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
Listened to the album again. It's...good. But I'm discovering that SW's music, while beautiful, is very uninspiring to me, in the motivational sense of inspiration. It makes me want to curl into a ball and cry. I honestly think that listening to too much SW is unhealthy for me. I'm gonna lay off the guy for a while. :lol

Steven Wilson's music is extremely emotional. Most of his music encompasses my current mood like 80% of the time so, I like it  :laugh:

The Raven album finally clicked for me two days ago when I decided to give the whole thing a full listen during study hall. Wow, every song on there is just awesome. My favorite track is the Holy Drinker. Such an awesome track. 6:12 is so freaking sick, like LieLowTheWantedMan said. It sounded like Tarkus rose from the grave for another attack :metal

My current ranking of the album tracks:

The Holy Drinker
Luminol
The Raven
The Pin Drop
The Watchmaker
Drive Home

I don't think Drive Home has fully clicked yet but it is a cool song. The first 5 are pretty much god-tier though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on January 27, 2013, 02:58:57 AM
Drive Home might be my favorite song. Dat guitar solo! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 27, 2013, 06:53:38 AM
Drive Home is my favorite song (of the album). Dat guitar solo! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Seconded for truth. I'm surprised you are the first besides me to make this statement  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 27, 2013, 11:22:16 AM
So, in anticipation of the new album, I finally bought "Get All That You Deserve". It's really, really good. The touring band is awesome, so I can't wait to hear the new record.

One somewhat ironic note: while Adam Holzman is awesome, he totally botches Jordan Rudess' piano solo on "Veneno Para Las Hadas". Interesting, because I'm so used to being slightly peeved when Jordan plays something different than Kevin Moore's solos on DT albums, and now here's a Jordan solo being replaced by something else.  :lol

Haven't gotten to Raider II yet. I hope the solos are intact, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on January 27, 2013, 11:26:26 AM
Drive Home is my favorite song (of the album). Dat guitar solo! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Seconded for truth. I'm surprised you are the first besides me to make this statement  :tup

I feel y'all. I'm either listening to the whole song or rewinding to hear the solo again. What makes it extra awesome is that Marco accents some of Guthrie's licks on the drums, to dramatic effect.

As for the whole song, it's packed with everything I liked about Blackfield, and devoid of anything I didn't like. Definately my favorite song as of now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on January 28, 2013, 12:07:58 PM
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: fibreoptix on January 28, 2013, 12:10:32 PM
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)

Hah! You got me. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on January 28, 2013, 12:11:45 PM
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)
:lol
I fell for it.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 12:25:32 PM
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)
:lol
I fell for it.  :facepalm:

Everybody did. That was actually pretty cool :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on January 28, 2013, 12:56:10 PM
 :lol

Quote the raven: "Eat my shorts.''
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on January 28, 2013, 01:03:08 PM
:lol

Quote the raven: "Eat my shorts.''

Or, literaly from Italian: "Suck my sock" :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 28, 2013, 01:03:14 PM
Oh wow. A page from the deluxe edition book was just leaked. It's gorgeous. (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B5J9AvBN7Tw/UIp_H0zo8gI/AAAAAAAAACY/AeK4GWV_Xqo/s1600/3.-The-Raven.png)

i hate you  :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2013, 01:15:30 PM
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/the-raven-that-refused-to-sing-video-stills/

So the music video was supposed to come out in January...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on February 01, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/the-raven-that-refused-to-sing-video-stills/

So the music video was supposed to come out in January...

Do we know what the song is precisely about?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2013, 01:23:17 PM
The whole album is supposed to be about old ghost stories. It could be about The Raven by Poe, but he's an American author and I vaguely recall Steven saying that the ghost stories were European.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2013, 01:24:57 PM
Some of the stills might indicate it is about The Raven. There's a lonely man, a raven, and the ghost of a woman in the video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Man-Erg on February 01, 2013, 02:47:15 PM
Listened to Insurgentes after a long break yesterday, and I absolutely love it. Every track is exceptional, and the album is imo better than Grace for Drowning.

Gotta listen to the Raven tonight for the first time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on February 01, 2013, 03:26:44 PM
VERY interesting interview with SW here. Basically slags off The Incident quite a bit (personally I thought it was pretty good, but not PT's best). Very revealing about PT at the moment.

https://www.examiner.com/article/steven-wilson-reflects-on-his-incredible-career
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on February 01, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
Also, in terms of TRTRTS at the moment:
1) The Watchmaker
2) Luminol
3) The Raven That Refused To Sing
4) Drive Home
5) The Pin Drop
6) The Holy Drinker

Watchmaker & Luminol is some of the best music SW has written. The title track is also superb. Drive Home and The Pin Drop are great as well. But the worst track, for me personally, has got to be the Holy Drinker. Nowhere near as strong as the other tracks and just feels proggy for the sake of being proggy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 01, 2013, 04:08:45 PM
Interesting. Just finished reading it. Great interview, I like their back and forth as if they're just talking about things and it's not necessarily a Q & A or anything intrusive. I like where Wilson's head is at with his current career and not wanting to please the fans and go into the studio with PT just for the sake of keeping the fans appeased. Wonderful train of thought. I can't wait to see where he goes next, and I'm expecting a bit of a break (nay, wanting it rather) but now that he seems to have blown his entire load of pure inspiration and excitement, it'll be very interesting to see what he does now. I mean, he's in a wonderful place, but you can tell that he's getting back into being very introspective and analyzing the past and where he's going in the future and whatnot instead of just "WRITE, WRITE, WRITE; PLAY, PLAY, PLAY!".

Which was wonderful, it gave us four (if you count Storm, which I do, cause I 'get it') absolutely incredible records; but now I'd like to see what he does when that euphoria fades. As they spoke of, it's all about where you begin and where you are in your life with what record you consider the best when regarding one's favorite band; and for me, I miss a lot of the melancholic, dark music that Wilson creates. This recent trio of albums has been much more lighthearted than a lot of Wilson's past work. Which is funny because it's still quite dark, especially if you count SC. But that's what I identify with the most even though 'Raven' is the best thing I've heard in a long, long time. I think that more introspective view and a sort of darkness comes from the 'downtime' like these upcoming couple years (perhaps, it seems, after all this excitement dies down after this tour) when Wilson isn't hitting the ground running and occupied 24/7 as he has been for the last few years. Granted, I doubt it felt much like work while he was creating it, but all that effort piles up and like they said, it eventually does become work and you can't identify with your own music anymore. Very odd and intriguing. Awesome read.

I cannot wait to see this album performed live. It's going to bring me to my knees.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PROGdrummer on February 01, 2013, 09:54:27 PM
Do we know what the song is precisely about?

Based on the lyrics, I put together a scenario where the character has a vision about his little sister that died many years ago and he misses her, so seeing her again has a real emotional impact on him.    or something     His sister IS the raven in this scenario. And the video stills looked like they might support my theory.

But I really have no clue what its about thats just my theory so whatever  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 01, 2013, 10:24:35 PM
Do we know what the song is precisely about?

Based on the lyrics, I put together a scenario where the character has a vision about his little sister that died many years ago and he misses her, so seeing her again has a real emotional impact on him.    or something     His sister IS the raven in this scenario. And the video stills looked like they might support my theory.

But I really have no clue what its about thats just my theory so whatever  :P
That seems like a very plausible interpretation.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faemir on February 02, 2013, 06:41:50 AM
I found it interesting where in his interview he talks about every other album being good by PT, and that he wasn't sure where he was going / the alternate albums were more samey (Lightbulb, Deadwing, Incident)...

And yet The Raven is very much a continuation of Grace for Drowning, as opposed to the Insurgentes / Grace progression.

Wonder what he'll think in a few years :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 02, 2013, 06:46:48 AM
Yeah it will be interesting. Somehow I feel like it's easier to say negative things about something that was a group effort, even though he can probably say that he would have done something differently on a solo album if he could do it again, it feels like it would be easier as an artist to say it about a group collaboration, "we tried something that didn't quite work", instead of "I fucked up".  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on February 02, 2013, 10:36:07 AM
BUT GUYS don't you see since Steven thinks every alternating album is shabby and he considers "The Incident" to be one of those albums, that means if they do reunite for a new album at some point... it should be brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on February 02, 2013, 10:39:53 AM
I found it interesting where in his interview he talks about every other album being good by PT, and that he wasn't sure where he was going / the alternate albums were more samey (Lightbulb, Deadwing, Incident)...
Aw - they're my three favourites! Plus Signify makes four, actually. Man. For all I like his music, I don't half disagree with him about it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 02, 2013, 11:00:40 AM
Didn't he pretty much just take that idea from Star Trek films, but the opposite? In the Star Trek films, the even numbered ones were good, while the odd numbered ones weren't so much...

With PT, SW seems to think the other way around?
Good:
On The Sunday Of Life
The Sky Moves Sideways
Stupid Dream
In Absentia
Fear Of A Blank Planet

Oddly enough, most of those covers have BLUE on them somewhere, or are a majority of the color of the cover. Off these, I'd say TSMS, SD and FOABP are tops, and those 3 definitely comprise part of my Top 5 PT albums.


Not-So-Good:
Up The Downstair
Signify
Lightbulb Sun
Deadwing
The Incident

UTD is good, but not THAT great (though certainly better than OTSOL). I like Signify but I enjoy the two albums surrounding it more. Of the other three, I'd say LS and DW are great, but I could see why SW would think LS is just more-of-the-same after SD. And between DW and IA, I'd take IA.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 02, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
So, either Steven will end up liking Insurgentes and Raven, hating GFD, or the opposite. I think he really did like GFD, though, and he doesn't rave much about Insurgentes. Maybe he's not going to end up liking Raven in the long run.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 02, 2013, 12:22:44 PM
Steven should be really proud of those albums. They're both great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 02, 2013, 12:38:08 PM
Listening to the title track atm. It is so beautiful  -tears-


Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Man-Erg on February 02, 2013, 02:39:28 PM
Insurgentes > The Universe
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Big Hath on February 02, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
Didn't he pretty much just take that idea from Star Trek films, but the opposite? In the Star Trek films, the even numbered ones were good, while the odd numbered ones weren't so much...

he also took the idea from Bret Saberhagen's pitching career with the Royals:

1984 - bad (10-11)
1985 - good (20-6, Cy Young)
1986 - bad (7-12)
1987 - good (18-10)
1988 - bad (14-16)
1989 - good (23-6, Cy Young)
1990 - bad (5-9)
1991 - good (13-8)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 05, 2013, 02:18:27 PM
Great interview with Steven Wilson, Theo Travis, Adam Holzman, Nick Beggs, and Alan Parsons:
https://www.innerviews.org/inner/wilson2.html



Edit: And there's a lineup change.
Quote from: SW's Facebook
Please note that the SW band for the tour will change between the European and American legs. The line up for all of the European shows will be the same as on the forthcoming album: Guthrie Govan - guitar, Adam Holzman - keyboards, Theo Travis - flute/sax, Nick Beggs - bass, and Marco Minnemann - drums. However, due to another touring commitment, Marco is unable to join the band on the North / South American leg of the tour. Sorry as I am to not have Marco for the whole tour, I'm very happy to announce that Chad Wackerman will be taking over the drum stool for these shows. Chad is perhaps best known for being Frank Zappa's drummer for 7 years in the eighties, until Zappa's retirement from live performance, but he is also a composer and band leader in his own right, and has performed with many other high profile artists. Needless to say Chad is an extraordinary musician who will bring his own talents and unique style to the SW band.
I'm not too familiar with him, but I know that he's a great drummer so the shows should still be great nonetheless.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 05, 2013, 03:54:24 PM
Deadwing patchy? Screw you SW. That's my favorite PT record.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 05, 2013, 03:55:53 PM
I can totally understand why he would think so. I think songs like Shallow, Open Car and Glass Arm Shattering (some might also say Halo) aren't necessarily bad, but they are not 5/5 songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 05, 2013, 04:17:16 PM
As much as SW might hate that song, I think "Shallow" is probably the best 'metal' song PT ever did.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 05, 2013, 04:38:06 PM
I agree about Shallow. The redeeming quality is the how groovy that riff is. I can't say that's not a great riff. Everyone I play it to is banging their head, even if they're not metal fans.

Glass Arm Shattering IS a 5/5 PT song for me. That song grew from barely noticeable to one of my favorite Porcupine Tree songs. It somehow encapsulates everything I like 'texturally' about the band, if that makes sense. I just love how everything sounds, the total calm in the timing of things etc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 05, 2013, 04:47:30 PM
Personally I think Deadwing has kinda worn off on me over the years. I would say it's a solid 7.5 out of 10. The Start of Something Beautiful, Mellotron Scratch and the title-track are what really does it for me. Arriving Somewhere has some good parts (though too long for its own good), songs like Halo and Lazarus are pretty good, but I think the live-versions are much better, and they don't sound AS good on album. Shallow, Open Car and Glass Arm Shattering are just kinda "there". I think they're all solid, but not songs that lifts the album to a new level.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 05, 2013, 04:49:53 PM
Deadwing is okay. It's got some great great moments but some others that are really subpar. The rap in the title track. The drawn-out length of Arriving something. And even the harmonies in Mellotron Scratch just sound so autotuned and produced to the point where it doesn't sound human (as do a lot of the vocals on the album).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 05, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
I'd have to agree that Deadwing has simmered down for me, especially considering how much more I enjoy the albums that surrounded it. Fear Of A Blank Planet (with the Nil Recurring tracks, in the vinyl tracklist order) is definitely topping over DW for me, and has been since that album came out, which was the band's first new album after I discovered the band (which was not too long after DW came out).

And with all the tracks recorded/released during In Absentia, I'd say that tops DW a bit, especially with songs like "Drown With Me". IA's leftover tracks definitely top DW's leftover tracks, although "Half-Light" is especially special.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2013, 08:02:51 AM
I am not sure why anyone cares that Wilson doesn't think Deadwing (or LBS or whatever) isn't that great.  Wilson by his own admission hasn't actually listened to those whole albums in years, and besides, many musicians are their own worst critics.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 06, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
I love Deadwing but I agree that LBS isn't great. I just listened to it again a week ago or so, and was pretty floored by how average I suddenly found it. Aside from a few PT classics like "Last Chance" and "Russia on Ice", it's pretty run of the mill, and Steven's vocals are very passionless sounding and unfortunately layered in a really muddy, almost discordant way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 06, 2013, 02:24:52 PM
Don't know if anyone else had heard/read...

Quote
Steven Wilson - Official page
Please note that the SW band for the tour will change between the European and American legs. The line up for all of the European shows will be the same as on the forthcoming album: Guthrie Govan - guitar, Adam Holzman - keyboards, Theo Travis - flute/sax, Nick Beggs - bass, and Marco Minnemann - drums. However, due to another touring commitment, Marco is unable to join the band on the North / South American leg of the tour. Sorry as I am to not have Marco for the whole tour, I'm very happy to announce that Chad Wackerman will be taking over the drum stool for these shows. Chad is perhaps best known for being Frank Zappa's drummer for 7 years in the eighties, until Zappa's retirement from live performance, but he is also a composer and band leader in his own right, and has performed with many other high profile artists. Needless to say Chad is an extraordinary musician who will bring his own talents and unique style to the SW band.

Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 06, 2013, 02:27:14 PM
Kinda among the reasons why I'm glad Marco didn't get the DT gig. He's a great player, but he absolutely knows it, and he seems like the kinda guy that jumps at the best opportunity available. I don't disrespect him for that at all; just an observation.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on February 06, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
Fortunately he's still doing the UK shows.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 06, 2013, 03:10:30 PM
Don't know if anyone else had heard/read...

Quote
Steven Wilson - Official page
Please note that the SW band for the tour will change between the European and American legs. The line up for all of the European shows will be the same as on the forthcoming album: Guthrie Govan - guitar, Adam Holzman - keyboards, Theo Travis - flute/sax, Nick Beggs - bass, and Marco Minnemann - drums. However, due to another touring commitment, Marco is unable to join the band on the North / South American leg of the tour. Sorry as I am to not have Marco for the whole tour, I'm very happy to announce that Chad Wackerman will be taking over the drum stool for these shows. Chad is perhaps best known for being Frank Zappa's drummer for 7 years in the eighties, until Zappa's retirement from live performance, but he is also a composer and band leader in his own right, and has performed with many other high profile artists. Needless to say Chad is an extraordinary musician who will bring his own talents and unique style to the SW band.

Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.

-Marc.
Posted this yesterday.  ;)

I'm still looking forward to the show. I saw Marco and John Wesley with SW in 2011 so it will be cool to see a different line up this time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 06, 2013, 03:26:41 PM
Damn I was so looking forward to see Marco live!! :'(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on February 06, 2013, 04:06:00 PM
Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.
Wait, where did you get the info? I'm actually going to see Satriani in May and I'd love if Marco played drums.  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 06, 2013, 07:58:19 PM
Sucks that Marco isn't playing, he was one of the two I was really looking forward to seeing, as long as guthrie is going I'll still go.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 06, 2013, 08:01:11 PM
Apparently Marco is touring with Satriani.
Wait, where did you get the info? I'm actually going to see Satriani in May and I'd love if Marco played drums.  :metal

Read on ProgressiveEars that it was posted by Marco on his Facebook. Sounds legit.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 06, 2013, 08:01:43 PM
Yeah that's a bummer, but I'm glad I saw him for the GFD tour. He was amazing, and I'd love to see him again, but new blood isn't always a bad thing if the guy is up to par. I've never been a big fan of Zappa, so I don't know how his skills are but the music that SW plays is right up Zappa's ally so hopefully he will do Marco justice.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 06, 2013, 11:20:39 PM
I'm certain he will. Loved seeing Marco but can't say I'm disappointed.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on February 07, 2013, 11:56:33 AM
"We at Yahoo! Music are excited to exclusively debut the first video from the project, the beautifully animated and eerily poignant clip for the title track"
https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/video-gaga/exclusive-porcupine-tree-steven-wilson-releases-debut-video-180525498.html

This song is absolutely beautiful! :hefdaddy I look forward to getting my hands on the special edition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 07, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
:hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 07, 2013, 12:34:13 PM
Wow. That was fucking beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on February 07, 2013, 12:48:07 PM
Excellent track/video. Well done! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on February 07, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
That was really moving and beautiful. I think it made me appreciate the song more, it suddenly clicked while I was watching the video. Well, it didn't entirely click, but I certainly liked it better than in the context of the record. Man, this is why I kinda wish I resisted listening to the leak until the album was released. Actually, to be more realistic, I wish the album hadn't leaked so early, that way I would be super excited about the song and the video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
Interesting video, and it goes without saying that that song absolutely slays. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on February 07, 2013, 01:48:45 PM
Just saw it, I was literally stunned into silence. Amazing all around.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 07, 2013, 01:52:07 PM
That was so beautiful. I got some serious chills there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 07, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Woah that was amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 07, 2013, 03:24:50 PM
Tickets for the show in LA are sold out :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Podaar on February 07, 2013, 04:23:23 PM
I came here to see the reaction from the forum to this video after seeing the link on FB. Definitely not the reaction I expected...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 07, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
Now that's how you make a music video. The music and the video both complimented one another, the best part was when the raven opened her mouth and sang while the music has the cool vocal effect thing, which is what I'll envision when I listen to the song on its own. I never heard the song before seeing the video, and I am gonna buy it once it's released.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 07, 2013, 04:30:41 PM
That video was brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
God that song and video were beautiful.  Can't wait to see it live!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 07, 2013, 05:23:44 PM
Holy shit, that was a great video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on February 07, 2013, 05:27:29 PM
Phenomenal video/song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 07, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
Awesome video. Very sad. :( I wonder what the story is?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: HarlequinForest on February 07, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
SW goes into great depth over each track:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/steven-wilson-talks-the-raven-that-refused-to-sing-and-other-stories-570809
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 07, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Absolutely wonderful! Thank you. I loved hearing Wilson's thoughts on The Watchmaker especially, and even more so regarding the verse that begin with "You were just meant to be temporary while I waited for gold..." I absolutely love that section and it could be my second favorite section on the album behind the Raven verses. Beautiful record. Gyad dayum.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2013, 10:33:54 PM
Great interview, and I love how he explained each song.  And it is worth repeating again just how awesome his approach to music is, summed up best here:

“The biggest thing is to make people feel. It’s easy to appeal to the intellect. I could go and write some silly, complicated shit, but the hardest thing is to hit somebody’s heart and soul. I want spirituality rather than technicality.”

Amen to that. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 07, 2013, 10:41:43 PM
Fa sho'. He succeed immensely too, in my opinionion. That music video gets me choked up at certain parts. Very powerful stuff; I can't get enough of it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 08, 2013, 01:21:00 AM
Great interview, and I love how he explained each song.  And it is worth repeating again just how awesome his approach to music is, summed up best here:

“The biggest thing is to make people feel. It’s easy to appeal to the intellect. I could go and write some silly, complicated shit, but the hardest thing is to hit somebody’s heart and soul. I want spirituality rather than technicality.”

Amen to that. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Yeah, except that's a rather obvious thing to say, 90% of all musicians will say that :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 08, 2013, 08:06:40 AM
That interview makes me want to listen to the album again.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2013, 08:56:06 AM
Great interview, and I love how he explained each song.  And it is worth repeating again just how awesome his approach to music is, summed up best here:

“The biggest thing is to make people feel. It’s easy to appeal to the intellect. I could go and write some silly, complicated shit, but the hardest thing is to hit somebody’s heart and soul. I want spirituality rather than technicality.”

Amen to that. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Yeah, except that's a rather obvious thing to say, 90% of all musicians will say that :)

Sure, but some musicians say it, and it comes across as white noise, since their actual music tells a different story, but with Wilson's music, he pulls it off with a lot more frequency than most.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 08, 2013, 10:26:49 AM
The lyrics sound really interesting, I love the stories for them. Still haven't listened to the full album, I'm waiting for the real release date.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 08, 2013, 01:17:57 PM
New interview from faceculture:

https://starsdie.com/wp/steven-wilson-faceculture-interview-2013/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 08, 2013, 01:49:02 PM
Is it just me or is Steven less....pouty, nowadays? It seems like he's not complaining so much about mp3's, modern music, etc., and he's more focused on the positive elements of his own music. He obviously seems to have the same opinions, as these interviews reveal, but his musical career doesn't seem anymore like a personal vendetta against the media, music trends, MTV, etc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2013, 02:19:02 PM
I never thought he was pouty; I just think he is one of those guys who gets frustrated when someone doesn't view his art in the way he intended it to be.  Think of it like a chef who comes up with a specific recipe for a meal, and then customers ask for this on the side or that on side; he will naturally get frustrated when they aren't enjoying it in the way he designed it.  Same thing when listeners talk about this song or that song on a Wilson album instead of taking it in as a whole the way he intended.  Sure, it is a little pretentious, but most serious artists, like Wilson, are fairly pretentious, which is a big part of why they are so creative.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 08, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
I love the story for the title track.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 08, 2013, 06:45:44 PM
"We at Yahoo! Music are excited to exclusively debut the first video from the project, the beautifully animated and eerily poignant clip for the title track"
https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/video-gaga/exclusive-porcupine-tree-steven-wilson-releases-debut-video-180525498.html

This song is absolutely beautiful! :hefdaddy I look forward to getting my hands on the special edition.


What a friggin' masterpiece. Just genius.

And is it just me or does the beginning sound like Radiohead?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 08, 2013, 08:43:30 PM
Hm, as it stands I think I prefer Insurgentes and GFD to Raven.

Raven vs. Storm Corrosion, people? I think that's an interesting matchup that I'll have to think of a little bit.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 08, 2013, 09:15:09 PM
Raven vs. Storm Corrosion, people? I think that's an interesting matchup that I'll have to think of a little bit.
As much as I love Storm Corrosion, it's easily The Raven for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 08, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
I'm thinking Storm Corrosion for me, actually. Raven isn't bad, it's just nothing special as of right now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2013, 10:37:58 PM
I love both to pieces, but considering The Raven is still so new to me, I can't possibly choose one over the other right now.  I love how every song on The Raven is magnificent. :coolio

And honestly, at this point, if Wilson keeps this band together for more albums and touring, I'd be fine with it.  I know many want more Porcupine Tree, but considering the roll he is on right now, I say keep at it. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 09, 2013, 07:39:21 AM
Honestly, I'd take any of his solo albums over every Porcupine Tree album except for Stupid Dream, In Absentia, and Fear of a Blank Planet.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on February 09, 2013, 08:07:21 AM
Quite liked Insurgentes (good, not excellent) but I skipped Grace for Drowning. I'd probably have bought it if I had money spare, but in my current financial state I'm never going to commit a tenner to an album I'm as unlikely to enjoy as the one that's got Remainder the Black Dog on it. Have followed GfD's publicity a bit, since watched the video for Index (decent, not good) but nothing's really convinced me to keep more than the lightest finger on Steven Wilson's pulse until he reassembles Porcupine Tree. Happened to glance across this thread, idly browsing, and with nothing to lose, I put on the new video last night.

Crikey.

That is a properly enchanting song. Yes, it's haunting and eerie and all the other adjectives, but more than that, I can't stop thinking about it. Like the music stops but the song and the story follow me out. I couldn't sing you a note right now, only listened to it once, but I can precisely recall the way it made me feel. Incredibly evocative. Still no plans to return to Grace for Drowning, but I'm completely intrigued by the new album. Last night marked the first time I've ever believed any of Steven Wilson's solo material could potentially match or surpass his best works with Porcupine Tree. Classy stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 09, 2013, 09:01:04 AM
Opinions I guess. Personally I think his solo albums are his best albums he has done, Grace For Drowning would be my favorite album he has done. Nothing against PT though, I still love them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 09, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
Honestly, if I had to rank all of the PT albums and put Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning in there, they'd both probably be in the bottom five.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on February 09, 2013, 09:49:13 AM
Honestly, if I had to rank all of the PT albums and put Insurgentes and Grace For Drowning in there, they'd both probably be in the bottom five.
Same here - they're both good albums, but far from the greatness of PT's best achievements.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 09, 2013, 09:56:23 AM
Opinions I guess. Personally I think his solo albums are his best albums he has done, Grace For Drowning would be my favorite album he has done. Nothing against PT though, I still love them.
The thing I like about Grace the most is the amount of depth the album has. It's probably more deep, and more of a grower than any of Porcupine Tree's albums, which is something great. I wouldn't rank them because both Steven Wilson solo and Porcupine Tree are different projects with different perspectives and takes on music (which is quite a prop for Steven, considering he's the mastermind behind everything he does).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 09, 2013, 11:08:35 AM
The thing I like about Grace the most is the amount of depth the album has. It's probably more deep, and more of a grower than any of Porcupine Tree's albums, which is something great.

that's a pretty heavy statement, man ;) i find it on par with the depth of TSMS and Signify, personally, but i suppose i can also see the perspective you're bringing too. the continuity and fluidity of SW's writing certainly wasn't as well developed on the mentioned PT records, but they do have their own fluidity, and he still retains a lot of the same songwriting strategies. the main difference is genre, really, not so much the depth (imo at least).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: orcus116 on February 09, 2013, 11:43:36 AM

And is it just me or does the beginning sound like Radiohead?

That is exactly what I thought. "Sail To The Moon" came to mind immediately.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 09, 2013, 11:45:27 AM
I think the Radiohead influence on Wilson is shown the most when he is singing over a slow/soft piano melody.  The first time I heard Get All You Deserve, I though the first few minutes were very Radiohead-esque.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 09, 2013, 01:15:48 PM
So listened to the new album again for the 21423th time... (ok 4th or 5th) and read lyrics for the first time.

:hefdaddy

Now relistening to GFD all the way through (hopefully) for the first time in a while
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 09, 2013, 03:55:26 PM
Insurgentes would be in the upper half of SW albums I've listened to (including PT) while Grace would be near the bottom.  Haven't heard Raven yet, but I really, really liked Luminol when I heard it.  Much more than almost all of Grace so I'm pretty stoked for the new album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 09, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
The Raven and Grace are probably going to end up in my top 5 SW albums, and Insurgentes top 10. His solo material is pretty much on the same level as PT for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 09, 2013, 05:35:59 PM
I don't think I'll love anything as much as the first few albums of PT's starting era, but if I put Wilson's solo output in with PT's, it'd be leagues ahead of most of their work. Which isn't to say anything negative about PT's work (except TI, which is the only thing from Wilson I dislike) but his solo work is so much more inspired and so much more emotional than anything else I've heard for a very long time.

It doesn't matter how much I watch the video, it still gets me choked up at parts. So beautimus.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 09, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
Panda got bought me tickets to SW... The show she made a point to point out the fact it sold out... Yea she just gave me tickets... I AM GOING TO FINALLY SEE STEVEN WILSON!!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 09, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
 :tup :tup :tup :tup  and a fusion of this:  :millahhhh and this:  :metal

You're gonna loose your shit. And love it. I can't wait to see the band play again.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on February 10, 2013, 12:58:24 AM
With all due respect to the awesome batch of PT albums I love, Raven blows all of them out of the water. It's almost the perfect album for me.

Also, the video for the title track was really amazing, dark, haunting and moving. A big succes, and the animator (the same as Drag Ropes, right?) perfectly fits the eerie supernatural feel of the album. Great choice, big success.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faizoff on February 10, 2013, 10:50:27 AM
Yea I must've listened and watched that video at least 40 times since yesterday. Such an amazing song and video. I really can't remember the last time I've been this entranced by a song or video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 10, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
Insurgentes would be bottom 5. Grace and Raven both top 5.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
Grace for Downing might very well end up being one of my three or four SW favorite albums; I still listen to it very often. 

I like Insurgentes a lot, but I can't say it is better than any PT album from 1995-2009.

It's still way too early for The Raven..., but I am loving it to death so far.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on February 15, 2013, 02:38:17 PM
So the ending lyrics of "The Raven..." are "Sing to me, raven, I miss her so much. Sing to me, Lily, I miss you so much." I seriously thought it was just "sing to me raven, I miss you so much" the entire time. That makes that video that much sadder. Jeez.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on February 15, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
So the ending lyrics of "The Raven..." are "Sing to me, raven, I miss her so much. Sing to me, Lily, I miss you so much." I seriously thought it was just "sing to me raven, I miss you so much" the entire time. That makes that video that much sadder. Jeez.

Wow, it was the same for me! How did you discover this?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 15, 2013, 03:46:18 PM
So, I hear the new SW album is coming out soon! Anyone excited?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 15, 2013, 03:47:33 PM
 :lol Love those leaks...if you still support him and buy the album. If you just leach, you're a turd nugget and you deserve a swift slow castration.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 15, 2013, 04:26:46 PM
I don't feel that bad since I've already ordered the deluxe and the vinyl ages ago. Normally I stay away from leaks though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on February 15, 2013, 08:32:08 PM
So the ending lyrics of "The Raven..." are "Sing to me, raven, I miss her so much. Sing to me, Lily, I miss you so much." I seriously thought it was just "sing to me raven, I miss you so much" the entire time. That makes that video that much sadder. Jeez.

Wow, it was the same for me! How did you discover this?

Someone who got an advanced copy of the album put the lyrics up. And then I listened really hard and it is indeed what I said. Steven why so sad?!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on February 16, 2013, 01:06:56 AM
It's really sad. Are we really sure there is no personal cont in those lyrics?


Also, I'm still at pain with the opportunity to pre order the deluxe edition or not. I would love it, all the features, the alternate takes, the HD sound... But on the other hand it's so expensive... I just don't know.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 20, 2013, 12:48:47 PM
Here's a video of the story The Birthday Party, which is included in the deluxe edition book. The music an instrumental of part of The Watchmaker. It fits the music very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meopl_-AHa8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 20, 2013, 12:59:23 PM
Damn, that was fucking awesome. I really cannot wait to read all these stories. Creepy in the best way possible and downright unnerving. Poor girl...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 20, 2013, 01:39:17 PM
Very nice. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 20, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
That was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 20, 2013, 02:36:44 PM
So, Victoria's gone forever, only memories remain? She passed away she was so young. :'(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on February 20, 2013, 05:12:51 PM
So, I hear the new SW album is coming out soon! Anyone excited?

Am I really the last one who didn't listen to the leak? :D I guess that it will be worth it I'm looking forward to hearing it for the first time on my couch in the dark room the day it will arrive more and more every day :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on February 20, 2013, 05:19:04 PM
I got it. The local record store put it out early.  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 20, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
I got it. The local record store put it out early.  :metal
Luckyyyy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on February 20, 2013, 06:09:58 PM
Parts of Luminol are really reminding me of Voyage 34 and Up The Downstair. Dat flute.

EDIT: And parts of Drive Home remind me of clean vox Opeth.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on February 20, 2013, 11:59:53 PM
I worked out via last.fm that I've listened to approximately 8 SW-related tracks a day for the past eight... years. I'm not even a little bit surprised.

Can't FUCKING WAIT to go and see him in March in London. I've seen DT/PT/SX/TPT and loads of other bands I love plenty of times but I've never been as excited as I am for this gig. It's happening just at the right time.

Anyone else preferring the CD version to the song that accompanies the video of Raven? On the CD there's so much more feeling, it's more free-flowing, the piano chords are ever so slightly held back (it feels anyway) and the feeling is so much more intense than on the video where it's played totally straight. Not that I'm splitting hairs or anything.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on February 21, 2013, 12:06:30 AM
Can't FUCKING WAIT to go and see him in March in London.

Have you seen his solo tour before? Compared to PT and Blackfield prior, it was just incredible to see how much more active and enthusiastic he was.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on February 21, 2013, 12:25:19 AM
Can't FUCKING WAIT to go and see him in March in London.

Have you seen his solo tour before? Compared to PT and Blackfield prior, it was just incredible to see how much more active and enthusiastic he was.

Nope I haven't! I think that's why I'm so excited. I've been watching the GAYD DVD on repeat for the past month. I feel for any of the friends who've spent significant amounts of time with me in that time period.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 21, 2013, 01:07:57 AM
The Birthday Party was...interesting. So, she starts off pretending that everyone likes her, then she goes and hides under the piano where she discovers the color of imagination and music, then she goes back into the real world and finds that it's boring and full of unimaginative people. Is that it, basically?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 21, 2013, 04:44:11 AM
I thought she died.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 21, 2013, 06:12:27 AM
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on February 21, 2013, 06:37:14 AM
My special edition arrived today. It's beautiful :laugh: Looking through the book while listening to the Blu-Ray was a wonderful experience. Drive Home and The Watchmaker really stood out on my first listen. I look forward to the London show in March ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 21, 2013, 10:25:10 AM
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.

That's weak sauce.  And infuriating for a guy like me who would pay good money to see him if he were coming to my town.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on February 21, 2013, 10:50:31 AM
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.
Is that tonight?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 21, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.

That's weak sauce.  And infuriating for a guy like me who would pay good money to see him if he were coming to my town.
Word
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on February 22, 2013, 02:29:26 PM
Current ranking:

1. Raven
2. Insurgentes
3. Grace For Drowning
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 22, 2013, 02:30:42 PM
1. Grace For Drowning
2. Raven
3. Insurgentes (not far behind Raven though)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 22, 2013, 02:44:14 PM
1. STEEEEEEEVE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on February 22, 2013, 02:55:34 PM
1. insurgentes
2. grace
3. raven
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 22, 2013, 02:57:14 PM
1. Raven
2. Grace
3. Insurgentes
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on February 22, 2013, 03:13:24 PM
1. Raven
2. Grace
3. Insurgentes
This. Raven keeps growing on me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on February 22, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
1. Raven
2. Grace
3. Insurgentes

Yep yep.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 22, 2013, 05:22:40 PM
My deluxe edition came today!! I listened to the album while looking through the book earlier and it was well worth the money. Playing the demos now.  :metal


Right now, I'd rank the albums:
1. Raven
2. Grace
3. Insurgentes

This may change. I can see Insurgentes moving up a spot even though I love Grace. All three are fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on February 22, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning

Insurgentes is just too good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on February 22, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning

Insurgentes is just too good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on February 22, 2013, 09:29:10 PM
Raven



Grace for Drowning







Insurgentes
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on February 22, 2013, 09:53:28 PM
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning

Insurgentes is just too good.

 :D Glad I'm not the only one who likes Insurgentes and Raven more than GFD
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on February 22, 2013, 10:48:25 PM
1. Insurgentes
2. Raven
3. Grace for Drowning

Insurgentes is just too good.

YUP
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 23, 2013, 07:24:39 AM
Damn all my friends bailed on seeing SW with me, looks like I'm going solo.
Is that tonight?

April 16th in St. Pete.

You live in Florida don't you?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on February 23, 2013, 08:46:19 AM
Yep, ill have to double check when Exodus are coming, but I might be able to go
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on February 23, 2013, 09:35:00 AM
Really looking forward to getting my copy of The Raven That Refused To Sing in the post.

I'm particularly waiting to find out where in The Holy Drinker that awesome drum fill at 3:40 in the video "SW in LA Pt. 4" appears. To me, that section sounds like it would fade out at the end.

Don't tell me if I'm right or wrong, if you know. I want to find out for myself. :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 23, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
That entire song is sexy on drums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 23, 2013, 10:03:39 AM
The middle-section of the album is probably the weakest for me. I don't have anything against The Holy Drinker or The Pin Drop, but if I had to rank the songs, those two would be the bottom two.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 23, 2013, 11:01:23 AM
Funny. Those would probably be my top two. Don't know for sure though because the title track could probably take The Holy Drinker's place.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2013, 11:47:53 AM
Every time I listen to any song from The Raven..., I think, "This is the best song on it." That's how good and consistent it is.  Gun to my head, I'd probably say that The Watchmaker is my favorite, and The Holy Drinker is my least favorite, but he pretty much hit it out of the park with every song.  I can't wait to get the actual CD and crank it up on a good system. :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 23, 2013, 12:01:48 PM
Couldn't agree more Shmev. Except I'd tell the gun-holder to fuck himself and listen to it again cause there isn't a single bad moment on the album and I'll die before I *grabs the gun in a swift Jackie Chan moment and kills the bastard and then realizes he's my long lost brother and I want him to sing to me god damn it*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2013, 12:20:33 PM
Haha, exactly! :tup :tup

Also, does anyone know if any of the releases will have the title track's video?  I thought it was neat that some of the Grace for Downing editions had the Index and Track One videos, and I was hoping he would do the same this time around, especially given how awesome that video is.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on February 23, 2013, 12:32:55 PM
After a few listens, I must say, he's finally made an album I really like. Luminol is the strongest track though. Nothing really comes close to touching it afterward, though they're all good tracks.

Except for one. The title track is weak. Shame the album ends on it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 23, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
And I thought I was nuts.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on February 23, 2013, 12:37:26 PM
I just wish more of the album was like Luminol, and went balls-to-the-wall nuts.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 23, 2013, 12:40:14 PM
Luminol wins weakest track hands down for me. Only one I don't gush over. It's still great though and has some awesome bass.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on February 23, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
After a few listens, I must say, he's finally made an album I really like. Luminol is the strongest track though. Nothing really comes close to touching it afterward, though they're all good tracks.

Except for one. The title track is weak. Shame the album ends on it.

Do you have no soul?!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jaq on February 23, 2013, 03:18:29 PM
After a few listens, I must say, he's finally made an album I really like. Luminol is the strongest track though. Nothing really comes close to touching it afterward, though they're all good tracks.

Except for one. The title track is weak. Shame the album ends on it.

Do you have no soul?!

I must not have a soul either, because the title track bores me senseless. Rest of the album is brilliant though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 23, 2013, 03:21:14 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people? :lol

The title track is absolutely masterful! Do you usually not like minimalist songs or something?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 23, 2013, 03:25:52 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people? :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on February 23, 2013, 03:40:40 PM
why doesn't everyone have the same opinion as me oh god the horror
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on February 23, 2013, 03:46:31 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people? :lol

The title track is absolutely masterful! Do you usually not like minimalist songs or something?

Actually, that's true! For the most part, I can't stand minimalist music.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 23, 2013, 04:10:57 PM
Yep, ill have to double check when Exodus are coming, but I might be able to go

Cool let me know, we can meet up and grab some grub at The Burg which is right next to State Theater, some of the best burgers and beer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 23, 2013, 07:38:41 PM
Insurgentes
Raven
Grace for Drowning

'Insurgentes' has grown into one of my favorite albums of all time. I feel it's one of SW's albums that manages to be a self-contained 'world'. I really don't think Raven and GfD have these qualities but they're incredible nonetheless.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jaq on February 23, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
why doesn't everyone have the same opinion as me oh god the horror

A differing opinion! On the internet! OH NOES.

Seriously, guys, I like the rest of the album better than the title track. I don't see it as being some transcendent experience-it's a quiet, repetitive drone of a song that bores me. I get minimalist music. I just don't react to this song the way you guys do. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 23, 2013, 11:01:18 PM
If someone doesn't connect to the title track on an emotional level, I can see them not liking it.  Of course, that could also mean they have no soul, but I am just spitballing here. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 24, 2013, 12:38:43 AM
Just ordered off of Amazon...loved TRTRTS and Lithium.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on February 24, 2013, 01:23:08 AM
It seems that I'll need to buy the album sooner or later, or I'll leave poor Steven with no dinner  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 24, 2013, 02:18:30 AM
Saw that. Funny post. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheCritical on February 24, 2013, 07:44:33 PM
Hey guys,
I just started my own blog of music reviews and the first one I wrote was about Steven's new album. It actually is the first review I've ever written. If you check it out, maybe you have some tips and hints for me and my future reviews. Thanks.

https://thecriticallistener.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/nar1-wilson-raven-eng/ (https://thecriticallistener.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/nar1-wilson-raven-eng/)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 24, 2013, 11:39:31 PM
Very good review overall, but I dislike the retro-prog label you used several times.  Get rid of that, maybe shorten some of the song explanations - I often find that the best reviews are the ones that are to the point and not overly long, especially in regards to talking about individual songs - and you'll be fine. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on February 25, 2013, 02:08:32 AM
I just listened to the album for the first time and I have to say I'm quite underwhelmed. Most of the album struck me as too prog, too retro. The thing I've always loved most about PT is that they make progressive music without being overly wanky or complicated, and this album is just the opposite of that. It sounds like a compendium of odd time signatures, syncopated riffs and dissonant solos just for the sake of it. The title track was the only one that doesn't fit that bill, and I loved it.

Maybe it will grow on me with repeated listens but right now I'm not feeling this album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 25, 2013, 04:13:24 AM
'I never expected Mr. Wilson to use autotune in his career' (from the review).

He uses it a lot. And to good use, apparently.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheCritical on February 25, 2013, 05:41:10 AM
Thank you for your feedback.
Yeah, I got a bit carried away with writing, I was actually aiming for half that length.
For me retro-prog is not a definitive label, I used it more as a desription of the overall sound characteristics. But I didn't really explain that in my review.

I really like how he uses Autotune (or Melodyne or whatever) in the song TRTRTS. I'm not sure if he uses it other tracks, but here I find it very creative.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 25, 2013, 05:52:03 AM
'I never expected Mr. Wilson to use autotune in his career' (from the review).

He uses it a lot. And to good use, apparently.

You know what's funny about SW is that he is one of the only singers whom I prefer his voice live than I do on record.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on February 25, 2013, 06:02:29 AM
I get why some people are calling this retro-prog; but I think that that label isn't really fair. Sure it draws from 70s Prog quite a bit, but there is plenty of stuff on here that is totally 100% Steven Wilson-esque, and the three shorter songs aren't even really prog at all. They're basically folk ballads.

It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on February 25, 2013, 07:34:08 AM
Anybody still need tickets for Glenside?

Currently looking to buy 2-4 9th row center tickets for $67 each.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 25, 2013, 08:05:50 AM


It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.

This!  It would be impossible to deny that that are clear nods to classic prog rock, but the retro-prog label usually refers to acts whose entire sound is built upon sounding like the bands of yesteryear, and that simply does not apply to Steven Wilson. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 25, 2013, 08:12:21 AM
I'm curious to see what he does next. PT seems to be done (not 100%, but for the next couple of years), so the logical thing would be either a new solo album or a Bass Communion-album, since the BC-albums probably require less effort/time to make. I don't know if he would be up for making another No-Man album or another Storm Corrosion-album, though I would certainly love to see an album from either of those two projects.

I'm curious if he will leave the "Classic Progressive Rock"-thing behind and do something else on a future solo-album, or if he feels like he has found a sound he wants to stick to for a while. I certainly love the Noise/Drone-elements on Insurgentes and I would love it if he did more experimental stuff. Whatever he does next I'm sure it will be good, so I have no worries.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheCritical on February 25, 2013, 08:52:40 AM

It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.

I see it more as an hommage to the classic days of prog in the 70s. He does not try to copy or emulate that specific sound, but surely he's inspired by it. It is great to hear to ideals of that time carried on with today's possibilities and today's musical state of mind.

Also, for me "classic" prog is always associated with acoustic/folky sections, songs and instruments.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 25, 2013, 02:36:44 PM
I get why some people are calling this retro-prog; but I think that that label isn't really fair. Sure it draws from 70s Prog quite a bit, but there is plenty of stuff on here that is totally 100% Steven Wilson-esque, and the three shorter songs aren't even really prog at all. They're basically folk ballads.

It'd be completely wrong to say he wasn't going for a classic Jazz/Prog inspired sound, but to call it a 'retro-prog' album is simply selling it short.
Definitely this. And I really don't feel like I'm listening to retro prog at all when I listen to the album. I know the influence is there, but it's not prevalent enough for me to think about it too much.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on February 25, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
I'd like more experimental stuff on his next release, less influence from 70's artists and whatnot, but I'm always just a huge sucker for the slow/sad songs that Wilson does (Raven, Collapse, Heartattack, Stop Swimming, Feel So Low, etc. etc.), so I wouldn't be upset if he just released an album full of those.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SlickSy on February 25, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
I attended the signing session in London today and it was great. Not as many people showed up compared to the GFD signing. Appearances from Nick and Adam totally surprised me.  ;D I had a chance to chat with Adam and he is a super cool guy. I'm pumped for the gig in London next week. :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on February 25, 2013, 07:32:31 PM
I'm thinking about making a trip up to DC for a Steven Wilson show on April 20th. It's a bit of a trek for me (coming from NC), and I've never made the effort to REALLY explore his music. I've heard quite a bit from his various projects, but not often enough to build any kind of familiarity. And while I've liked it, I've always found the idea of diving in a bit daunting, and consequently stayed away. Now, with this upcoming concert, I think I may take a different approach. I haven't bought a ticket yet, but there's a decent chance I shall go. Those of you who have seen him live before, what should I expect? I haven't done a lot of searching but I know most seem pretty fond (at the very least) of the show he puts on. I take it he sticks to all of his solo music(?) Also, since I'm going to try and immerse myself this next month, I'd appreciate any suggestions as to where to start with his solo music, or any of his other projects for that matter.

My library as of right now is pretty bare, with only:

PT: Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet, and In Absentia
Blackfield: s/t
Storm Corrosion: s/t

Like I said though, I'd love to get more of his solo work. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on February 25, 2013, 07:37:11 PM
Get Insurgentes, it's a fantastic record! It's an album with a nice flow, and while it maintains it's presence, it's an easy listen.
EDIT: Reaperkk, provided I'm not working and stand on finances well, I can definitely join up with you for the concert!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 25, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Solo Work: Insurgentes
Some will say that Grace For Drowning is superior (I disagree, massively so) but, regardless of my feelings, GFD is a daunting album. It's a double and the music is very dense. Insurgentes has a lot more variety and it's much easier to digest.

PT: Lightbulb Sun, Signify, Stupid Dream or Up The Downstair
Up the Downstair is a psychedelic masterpiece. Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun are both poppier and Signify is... somewhere in between I guess. Any of those are good choices.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 25, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Insurgentes is the only SW solo album I find it hard to listen to in it's entirety. The first 5 tracks are all top tier SW though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 25, 2013, 11:49:19 PM
Finally got the album, and still trying to absorb. Some things I loved, some notsomuch. Anybody have any idea about a download code for the vinyl? I thought it was supposed to come with one, but not seeing it...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2013, 02:11:21 AM
I don't think Steven Wilson or any of his projects have ever had a download-code with their vinyl. I'm not 100% sure, but out of the PT/SW-vinyls I own, none of them has come with a code.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on February 26, 2013, 03:10:40 AM
My problem with Insurgentes is that my favorite tracks from that album are Puncture Wound, Collecting Space and Untitled and none of them is on the actual album :lol. I like all the other tracks as well especially Abandoner and Salvaging but they don't feel as special and amazing as Grace For Drowning songs for me and The Raven songs well I'm still waiting for it to arrive probably in one or two days I will finally listen to it :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 26, 2013, 05:19:47 AM
Weird. I've still got no confirmation of shipping from Burning Shed, and no digital download of the album as been sent to me. What is going on here? Isn't it out today?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2013, 05:42:52 AM
I got my deluxe/limited edition yesterday. I think I got a mail that they had sent my vinyl as well. I don't think Steven Wilson does download-codes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ACID_FOX on February 26, 2013, 07:07:23 AM
Got the Collectors edition and the vinyl, and it came with a download code. :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on February 26, 2013, 07:30:15 AM
Listening to the new album for the first time. I love the King Crimson feeling it has. And Marco is such a freaking beast!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 26, 2013, 08:26:24 AM
I got my deluxe/limited edition yesterday. I think I got a mail that they had sent my vinyl as well. I don't think Steven Wilson does download-codes.
According to Burning Shed, this one does, but maybe it's sent with the Vinyl, rather than with the release.

Kinda silly of Steven IMO. He just made this long facebook post annoyed bout the leak people have been listening to, so why not send a download code to the people who've avoided the leak? Instead of making the people who are actually paying to get the album wait until whenever it comes in the mail.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2013, 08:30:51 AM
I think a download-code sent on the release day should be standard. I mean, sometimes shipping screws you over.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 26, 2013, 08:46:27 AM
Yeah, but SW lives under an illusion that people ONLY listen to his music at home on top-end sound systems, while not doing anything else, just listening. So I was really surprised to hear that the vinyl was coming with a download code at all.

And, Burningshed got back to me. Mine is one the way, and the download code is INSIDE the package.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2013, 08:58:37 AM
I get SW's point of view, but the thing is.. everyone is not rich. If I could afford it, I would buy the most expensive and the best soundsystem available, both speakers, amplifier, stereo, turntable and so on. Right now I have a fairly cheap couple of speakers, a pretty cheap amplifier and a fairly standard turntable. (Plus the speakers to my computer which were also fairly cheap)
This works fine for me. I would love better, but I have accepted that this is what I can afford for now, and I'm happy with it. :P

A lot of people have it even worse than I have it, and instead of turntable/stereo/amplifier/speakers they have to rely on listening on the computer. Mp3 as a format is awesome for what it is.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 26, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
I get SW's point of view, but the thing is.. everyone is not rich. If I could afford it, I would buy the most expensive and the best soundsystem available, both speakers, amplifier, stereo, turntable and so on. Right now I have a fairly cheap couple of speakers, a pretty cheap amplifier and a fairly standard turntable. (Plus the speakers to my computer which were also fairly cheap)
This works fine for me. I would love better, but I have accepted that this is what I can afford for now, and I'm happy with it. :P

A lot of people have it even worse than I have it, and instead of turntable/stereo/amplifier/speakers they have to rely on listening on the computer. Mp3 as a format is awesome for what it is.

Yeah, I have a $30 pair of headphones, an $80 briefcase turntable, and a 5.1 system that came with the bluray player, probably goes for $300-$400 retail but hurrah for Black Friday sales knocking it down to under $200. I think both the turntable and 5.1's and BluRays sound awesome on the speakers, but audiophiles would probably scoff at my setup, despite it still being much better than what the "average Joe" has. 

 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 26, 2013, 09:13:18 AM
I guess I was supposed to order it from Burningshed to get the download code. I ordered from the US/Canada website and there's no code in mine. That's pretty lame :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 26, 2013, 09:19:31 AM
I guess I was supposed to order it from Burningshed to get the download code. I ordered from the US/Canada website and there's no code in mine. That's pretty lame :(
How much did you pay for it?

I think I got jipped because I ordered from the british site. Wound up being like $40, probably due to shipping.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 26, 2013, 09:34:34 AM
I did the shirt/vinyl bundle which came out to $56 with shipping ($7.85). The vinyl alone would have come out to like $35, so you only paid a few extra bucks and are getting a download code. I would have waited longer for that. Now I guess I'll have to go buy the CD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 26, 2013, 05:32:01 PM
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.  It's a stunning album.  I need to listen to it a whole bunch more to soak it all in.  Haunting, lush and melodic.  I just love the mix.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheCritical on February 26, 2013, 06:26:22 PM
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.

Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 26, 2013, 07:51:39 PM
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.

Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.

The funny thing was I called my brother about the album as I'm listening to Drive Home as I'm driving home. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 26, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
I still haven't listened to this album yet, but I'm gonna buy the CD later this week.
Having listened to Luminol, the title track, and the song previews on iTunes, I'm really looking forward to it. It's sounding a lot better than the first two solo albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 26, 2013, 08:32:01 PM
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.

Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.

The funny thing was I called my brother about the album as I'm listening to Drive Home as I'm driving home. :lol

Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 26, 2013, 08:48:55 PM
Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.

You won't have to worry about that, he's gonna be playing the new album in its entirety. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 26, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
Bought the CD at HMV today. Forgot it was released actually. I'm proud I was able to supply Steven with that lunch he wants so bad.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2013, 12:07:47 AM
Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.

You won't have to worry about that, he's gonna be playing the new album in its entirety. :)

It should be interesting to see if he can nail The Pin Drop lead vocal; that is pretty challenging, especially since he is not a singer who usually flexes his vocals muscles like that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 27, 2013, 02:47:28 PM
Found this regarding a Record Store Day release:
Quote
*NEW*  Steven Wilson Luminol (Demo Version) b/w The Watchmaker (Demo Version) 12" featuring 2 unreleased demo tracks from the "Raven that Refused to Sing" sessions.
https://new-vinyl.blogspot.com/2013/01/record-store-day-2013rsd-6april-20-2013.html

I'm going to assume that these are the same demos as the ones included with the deluxe edition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 27, 2013, 03:06:09 PM
So i had a nice drive home through dark back roads listening to the new album which made the vibe even better.

Ha, Drive Home. I get it. Funny.

The funny thing was I called my brother about the album as I'm listening to Drive Home as I'm driving home. :lol

Drive home is so good, it was an instant favorite thanks to that killer solo. i hope to see it live.

I love, love, love that solo.  Great build up to it.  Can't wait to see these songs live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faizoff on February 27, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
Got the bluray edition of this album and it sounds amazing. Fantastic album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 28, 2013, 07:43:12 AM
The BluRay and the Vinyl came yesterday. Man, the vinyl is absolutely beautiful looking. If it's even half as good as the super deluxe big spender package, it must have been worth it.

But the BluRay just sounds so awesome. I listened to it first in 5.1, and then again on MP3 in the car, and I was so disappointed at all the sounds I'd heard initially that were now missing. Steven Wilson's music just can't be captured in only two speakers...

ANYWAY, the music itself is very, very good, possibly Wilson's best. There are SO MANY prog influences, it's almost like a collage of classic prog. I hear a lot of Genesis, a little bit of Yes, TONS of King Crimson, and even a tiny, tiny bit of DT. But the end result is so unique and beautiful, you'd never think to dismiss it as derivative.

Good work, Mr. Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2013, 08:03:51 AM
So it was on your doorstep like you said last night.  Your right, the 5.1 is just so stunning.  Anyone who owns a Blu-Ray player needs to get it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on February 28, 2013, 09:55:56 AM
The stereo mix is fantastic. I do have a bluray player, but no 5.1 system. I guess the difference between the 5.1 bluray version and a stereo mp3 is mahoosive. The bluray stereo vs. mp3 stereo is nicer too, but not that much.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
The mix is fantastic, but I do want to say that I wish the harmonies in the first line in Luminol were louder.  Maybe I am used to them from the live version on Get All You Deserve, but it's like they aren't as prominent in the mix as they should be.  And the lead guitar that comes in near the end of the harmony and then extends when the full band kicks back in is simply not there in the studio version.  Boooo to that.  But if that is the biggest nit I can pick, then I am okay with it all. :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2013, 11:06:25 AM
Isn't that always the way Kev when you here a song first, live before it comes out, you tend to like something from the first version better than the second version.  Like when a band records a song from it's past or a cover song for the most part.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2013, 11:43:06 AM
Heh, pretty much.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 28, 2013, 11:45:07 AM
Man, I guess it's the DT fan in me, but I keep hearing "Ytsejam" during "The Holy Drinker". Interesting.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on February 28, 2013, 12:30:14 PM
Isn't that always the way Kev when you here a song first, live before it comes out, you tend to like something from the first version better than the second version.  Like when a band records a song from it's past or a cover song for the most part.
That's exactly how it is, I still think the vocal harmonies at the beginning of Luminol sound so wrong in the studio version. ;D But it's still a great song and the album just keeps growing on me.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 28, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
"The Holy Drinker" immediately reminded me of Blackfield.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 28, 2013, 08:08:59 PM
Interesting. The first part of "Drive Home" reminds me of a mix between Blackfield and "Black Dahlia"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on February 28, 2013, 08:11:47 PM
stellar record, but one of my favouritest parts is actually "Clock Song." i think it fits superbly after "The Watchmaker" (har har, but no, rly).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 28, 2013, 08:23:03 PM
Interesting. The first part of "Drive Home" reminds me of a mix between Blackfield and "Black Dahlia"

Just about to post that as I read Outlaw's comment. Definitely has a Disc-2-of-TI-feel. That said, I really love it.

The Holy Drinker doesn't remind me much of anything from Wilson in particular. Seems pretty zany and isolated. And awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on February 28, 2013, 08:44:50 PM
Yeah, I love The Holy Drinker. Might be my favourite on the album. The drumming is awesome. That harmony at 3:06 and other places is cool as hell. And the instrumental section has some awesome organ. :metal And for some reason I sense a sort of attitude with this one I've never felt from Steven. It's great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on February 28, 2013, 08:49:43 PM
Yeah, I love The Holy Drinker. Might be my favourite on the album. The drumming is awesome. That harmony at 3:06 and other places is cool as hell. And the instrumental section has some awesome organ. :metal And for some reason I sense a sort of attitude with this one I've never felt from Steven. It's great.
Agreed. It's currently tied for first place with the title track for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: faizoff on March 01, 2013, 02:03:59 PM
I dont have a 5.1 setup on my computer but my headphones actually do a great job of playing audio mixed in 5.1. You can hear the spatial placement of instruments when compared to 2.1.

That said I only listen to the Bluray on my computer in 5.1 and it sounds phenomenal. Very richly layered and the separation of instruments is fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on March 01, 2013, 04:56:45 PM
The Holy Drinker terrifies me.


 :heart

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 01, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
The holy drinker, is going straight into hell :metal :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 01, 2013, 07:40:27 PM
I'm glad the reaction to this album has been mostly positive. It really deserves all the praise it has been getting in the reviews.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 01, 2013, 08:59:02 PM
Listened to the album a couple times, and it definitely met my expectations. I'm not a big fan of Steven Wilson's first two solo records, but this is fantastic. Would probably rank it in my top five PT/SW albums already.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on March 01, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
SPOILER!!! Setlist for opening night:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2013/manchester-academy-1-manchester-england-73db0ab1.html

Pretty good setlist! I hope he keeps the ninth song for the US tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on March 01, 2013, 09:17:15 PM
guess he's waiting to debut which old PT song they're gonna perform on another night, then...  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on March 01, 2013, 09:22:43 PM
guess he's waiting to debut which old PT song they're gonna perform on another night, then...  :-\
Someone on Facebook posted that he asked SW which song they'd play, and SW said that they decided not to because it didn't work out during the rehearsals. Maybe he'll add a song later in the tour..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on March 02, 2013, 05:19:52 AM
Excellent set list.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 02, 2013, 05:37:08 AM
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on March 02, 2013, 05:53:04 AM
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"

This
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 02, 2013, 05:58:07 AM
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"

This

Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on March 02, 2013, 05:58:23 AM
"The Holy Drinker" immediately reminded me of Blackfield.

What the hell am I talking about? I meant "Drive Home". :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 02, 2013, 06:04:48 AM
Also, the Lounge Version of "Drive Home" is absolutely fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on March 02, 2013, 06:25:28 AM
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"

This

Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.

To be honest if they cut all the GfD stuff and left Index and Postcard I'd be happy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on March 02, 2013, 06:55:40 AM
You just can't have a Steven Wilson concert without Remainder the black dog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on March 02, 2013, 06:57:21 AM
Great setlist, pumped for Monday night now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 02, 2013, 09:17:52 AM
You guys kinda suck at hiding spoilers. :P

Anyways, the less stuff from Insurgentes they play, the happier I am...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on March 02, 2013, 09:24:41 AM
Huh, for me the more they play from Insurgentes, the happier I am.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 02, 2013, 10:02:55 AM
SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"

This

Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.

Jeez, you sure can tell this is a Dream Theater forum, what with the "how dare they play a great song on two consecutive tours" line of thinking. ;) :lol

Besides, YES there is a need to suck up the setlist with all of the time considering how great the song is and how awesome it is live.  It absolutely slayed on the Get What You Deserve Blu-Ray/DVD, and I can't imagine most fans going to see him and being bummed to see it again.  On the contrary, I'm sure most will be pumped to witness the amazingness of it live, especially if you are seeing him for the first time.  It's a no-brainer.

I can only imagine this forum if it had been around when Rush was touring on A Farewell to Kings..."Ugh, they played 2112 on the last tour; what a waste of nearly 20 minutes to play it again on this one!!" :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 02, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
Despite my general ambivalence towards GFD, that's a pretty nice setlist there actually.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 02, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
Raider II is great so I'd have no problems. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 02, 2013, 01:47:16 PM
I'm so glad that my favorite song from GFD is being played live on this tour. (Not saying which one for those who don't want to know the setlist.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 02, 2013, 02:14:49 PM
You guys kinda suck at hiding spoilers. :P

Anyways, the less stuff from Insurgentes they play, the happier I am...

No.

Huh, for me the more they play from Insurgentes, the happier I am.

Yes.

SPOILERS: I really wish he'd drop 'Raider II' and put in a few different songs like "Salvaging" and "Collecting Space"

This

Not that "Raider II" is bad, it was just the centerpiece of GFD, and there's really no need to suck up all that setlist time with it when it was played last time.

Jeez, you sure can tell this is a Dream Theater forum, what with the "how dare they play a great song on two consecutive tours" line of thinking. ;) :lol

Besides, YES there is a need to suck up the setlist with all of the time considering how great the song is and how awesome it is live.  It absolutely slayed on the Get What You Deserve Blu-Ray/DVD, and I can't imagine most fans going to see him and being bummed to see it again.  On the contrary, I'm sure most will be pumped to witness the amazingness of it live, especially if you are seeing him for the first time.  It's a no-brainer.

I can only imagine this forum if it had been around when Rush was touring on A Farewell to Kings..."Ugh, they played 2112 on the last tour; what a waste of nearly 20 minutes to play it again on this one!!" :facepalm:

:lol I know it was great, but there's plenty of other songs from Insurgentes that he didn't do last time around and I'd rather see new songs live than the same epics over and over.

I mean, why can't Steven Wilson personally cater the setlist to my preferences!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on March 02, 2013, 08:48:39 PM
Second night setlist!
Check out the encore!!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2013/o2-abc-glasgow-scotland-1bdb0174.html

Edit: Looks like the last encore song was the outro music...I was so excited seeing it that I didn't think anything of the grey text..  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 03, 2013, 01:52:45 AM
Okay, that set list (the first one in particular) gave me instant chills. I've been loathe to hope for anything in particular from the first two albums incase I didn't get to hear it, but that set list is incredible. I'm ESPECIALLY excited about Raider II; I didn't get chance to see his last tour and it took me months after GFD's release to actually buy it and start listening, so I've fallen in love with it relatively recently and am still on a major high wanted to see it. I assumed they wouldn't play it as it's so long and more of a GFD centerpiece (as somebody else just said) but, yeah... that is going to be phenomenal (if it happens, won't get hopes up).

Also Insurgentes itself? Oh man... that song has been the accompaniment to so many dark times in my life recently and has so much meaning, it has to be in my top ten songs of all time, and I didn't think I'd get chance to see that live either.  I really, REALLY can't wait for this gig tomorrow. I've literally never been as excited for a gig in my entire life, and I've been fortunate enough to see so many of my favourite bands. I'm just so fucking excited!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 03, 2013, 02:04:40 AM
I do, however, live in the hope that they'll play The 78.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on March 03, 2013, 03:33:07 AM
Hmm, slightly disappointed if the encore now doesn't even include a single SW solo track. The last song on the first setlist is one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on March 03, 2013, 03:58:16 AM
You just can't have a Steven Wilson concert without Remainder the black dog.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/steven-wilson/2013/o2-abc-glasgow-scotland-1bdb0174.html

Dang, he proved me wrong. I'm not watching Steven Wilson this year since he's not coming anywhere near, but I'd be slightly disappointed if he didn't play Remainder...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on March 03, 2013, 05:58:54 AM
I'm hoping for Salvaging and Insurgentes. Both songs are really important to me, especially the latter.

I remember hearing Salvaging on headphones while being on the bus, stormy dark weather, and I was half awake/asleep during the entire first part. Then when the orchestral part began, the sun came shining through the clouds. Pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 03, 2013, 09:06:53 AM
if he plays that second setlist at the NY show I will die happy.

SPOILERS


STORM CORROSION!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on March 03, 2013, 09:19:33 AM
Yea but it's just a tape :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 03, 2013, 10:12:05 AM
Yea but it's just a tape :(

huh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 03, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
outro tape?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on March 04, 2013, 04:14:53 PM
SPOILERS:












Points from tonight's show:

1. SW could be a stand-up comedian, he's funnier than I thought.
2. The end of The Watchmaker and Index together is a brutally heavy combination.
3. SW commented on how he was 'glad he'd got that one out of the way' after they'd played The Pin Drop. Clearly a strain on his vocal limits.
4. Nick Harper recorded a cover of the track which SW hopes to release in the future (not sure if this is common knowledge or not).
5. The Raven is even more beautiful played live.
6. See this show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 05, 2013, 05:40:15 PM
SPOILERS:












So yeah, that was an amazing gig. I loved the set list, being able to actually see Raider II and Radioactive Toy was the most incredible experience, I'd say the same for Insurgentes but I think it lost a lot of the feeling having drums added into it. Wilson was on top form and really funny, as was the vocal introduction to Index ("the last song was about a guy who snaps and kills his wife... but he's got nothing on this guy, who likes to collect things. People. I. Am. The. Collector' lol) the merge between Raider II and Raven was so ridiculously tingle-inducing. I loved the curtain thing, but thought it was a shame it was dropped between songs rather than at some kind of awesome point during a song like it was on the GAYD DVD. Going solely by the DVD performance and the show I saw last night I actually preferred Tsonev to Govan by a mile, sure Govan has mad chops but his stage presence was sub zero. The sound was way too loud and unbalanced at times unfortunately (and I was sat in the rear stalls) making it kinda difficult to hear the singing over some of the guitar. The opening part of the Holy Drinker was a definite highlight, so much funk. I liked the extended banter about never going on Amazon to read reviews of your own music, really amused me 'You should write a song about hobbits!!' 'apparently, I already have.' :P

Am both on a post-gig high from how awesome last night was and have post-gig blues that it's over already. I had chills for at least four or five of the songs last night which is a good percentage! Just an awesome gig. Gutted I wasn't able to make it to Manchester too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 05, 2013, 06:34:55 PM
 :tup :tup :tup :tup :metal ...  :millahhhh

I'm already hard. God damn it I want the concert to be NAO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: drummerThatShreds87 on March 05, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
his releases keep improving even when i think they can't. astounding.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 01:40:11 AM
Okay so after knowing the album for a few months, I would say this:
I think it's the least good album out of his solo-albums, but still a very good one, and one of the better ones released so far in 2013. While I do really like it, it also feels a bit underwhelming. Most of what he is doing on this album has already been done before by several other bands in the 70's, and overall it doesn't feel as "exciting" as Insurgentes or GfD did. The influences are more clear than ever in the music itself, and I just really hope the next album will be different, because if the next one is in the same style as this one, I honestly won't be that excited about it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2013, 04:27:56 AM
I love how Steven Wilson has an official You Tube channel for his music but not Spotify.

Coz Youtube quality is so much better isn't it STEVEN.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 05:58:16 AM
I love how Steven Wilson has an official You Tube channel for his music but not Spotify.

Coz Youtube quality is so much better isn't it STEVEN.

Youtube is a promotion tool. Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 06:06:23 AM
I love how Steven Wilson has an official You Tube channel for his music but not Spotify.

Coz Youtube quality is so much better isn't it STEVEN.

Youtube is a promotion tool. Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.

^that. Also, difference between video+audio and just audio.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 07:15:36 AM
Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.
I think that's really an unfair statement.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on March 06, 2013, 07:58:52 AM
Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.
I think that's really an unfair statement.
This, even if people don't have premium the artist still gets paid for each listen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 08:17:52 AM
Well, the labels get paid, and then pay the artists. But, yeah. The artists who hate Spotify seem to be resenting the fact that labels are giving all their music away for streaming without giving them what they deserve.

Personally, I don't subscribe to Spotify, but I do use it, the same way I use Youtube or the radio. I listen at work and explore new artists that way. If I like something enough, I'll probably buy it in the best form available, whether that be vinyl or bluray audio or DVD 5.1, etc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 06, 2013, 08:33:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7tl9-luZE

Here's a review that some folks around here might want to watch, despite the fact many may disagree with much of it vehemently.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2013, 08:37:11 AM
his releases keep improving even when i think they can't. astounding.

Pretty much.  Astounding, to say the least.

Spotify (while it can definitely be a promotion tool) is more or less people just listening to music for free and feeling better about themselves because they didn't download it.

lol, wut?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 09:03:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7tl9-luZE

Here's a review that some folks around here might want to watch, despite the fact many may disagree with much of it vehemently.
Wow, needledrop is really tearing into Wilson.

You know, he's not completely wrong on some things. Steven's voice has never really hit me on an emotional level. Since Wilson's doing this "musical director" thing now, I would actually really love to hear him work with another (actually good-- not the dude from Blackfield) singer. Also, the "acoustic guitar on a train schedule" thing did make a lot of sense; a lot of Wilson's music seems that way.

I also agree that this album is very "studious", as SW's solo career has been thus far.

But I like that.

As far the sound production being off, wtf? This is the best 5.1 I've ever heard. Not sure how it could be better.

Honestly, I think the Needle Drop is getting pretty predictable. He really doesn't like progressive music and that whole scene much at all. IIRC, he worshipped last year's godspeed album, which had all the same flaws of Raven, only amplified. So I think his personal tastes really show sometimes.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how this always happens to "progressive" artists. You're the king of the hill and universally celebrated for awhile, then everyone turns on you aside from your diehards, and then finally you stick around long enough for it not to matter anymore. That's happened with Yes, Rush, DT, and now SW. Hm.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2013, 09:14:51 AM
That reviewer is utterly clueless.

"None of his music showcases personal experience."

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

I guess he's never heard Lightbulb Sun.

And now dogging the sound?? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 09:19:03 AM
He's actually pretty damn popular. You can't talk about a new album he reviews without someone somewhere dropping a link to his review.

But, I agree, he's not really a great reviewer. He seems to geek out over postrock and new albums by bands he grew up with in the 90's, and then he's pretty dismissive of everything else.

I think the general quality of his reviews is pretty low considering his popularity.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 06, 2013, 09:20:38 AM
That reviewer is utterly clueless.

"None of his music showcases personal experience."

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

I guess he's never heard Lightbulb Sun.

And now dogging the sound?? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

:\ how does he know that Wilson never took a terrible acid trip and met himself coming down an up staircase? How awfully presumptuous.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2013, 09:23:18 AM
I am also amused at how he doesn't even know the name of the actual album.  The Raven Who Refused to Sing? :lol :lol :lol

Ultimately, the guy comes across like your average rock critic: a big dork (literally) who trashes great music that is well played, most likely because he is a failed musician, and enjoys trashing music that he could never dream of playing or writing. 

Like David Lee Roth once said: "The reason most critics like Elvis Costello is because most of them look like Elvis Costello."  This guy is Exhibit A of that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
:\ how does he know that Wilson never took a terrible acid trip and met himself coming down an up staircase? How awfully presumptuous.

Haha, I remembering being pretty surprised when I read that Wilson had never taken drugs, but then again, not really.

The reviewer is spot-on when he says that lots of Wilson's music is really "studious". But I don't get why that's such a bad thing. Steven Wilson's mastered lots of different playing and producing techniques and his music is top-notch quality as a result.
I am also amused at how he doesn't even know the name of the actual album.  The Raven Who Refused to Sing? :lol :lol :lol

Ultimately, the guy comes across like your average rock critic: a big dork (literally) who trashes great music that is well played, most likely because he is a failed musician, and enjoys trashing music that he could never dream of playing or writing. 

Like David Lee Roth once said: "The reason most critics like Elvis Costello is because most of them look like Elvis Costello."  This guy is Exhibit A of that.
Eh, he's just an amateur guy doing this for fun. I don't take him too seriously, but I'm sure the fact that he does stuff like this looks GREAT on his linkedin page ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 06, 2013, 09:35:16 AM
To be honest, most Youtube reviewers are fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
I think most of his criticism is pretty accurate. I don't agree with the album being bad, because I really like it. But it has been done before, the influences are obvious and the album is not attempting to do anything new really. SW might feel like he is experimenting with this album, but it's really fairly standard Progressive Rock. Like I said, I like the album, it just doesn't that exciting. Regarding personal experiences, that should come across in the music. With Raven, the lyrics are ghost stories and that is the theme, so it's hard to make that personal. Lightbulb Sun has some personal stuff I guess. I dunno, I guess it depends on what music you listen to and how much you have to compare it to? I think there are many bands or artists who write more personal lyrics about experiences, but that's also in some genres where the lyrics is the mainframe of the whole song.
I think SW has most of his personal lyrics with PT, Insurgentes was mostly words he put together as improvisation (if I remember it right), GfD was more focused on the music, and with Raven it's even more focused on the music.

Overall I really like The Needle Drop. While I don't always agree with the ratings (sometimes he dislikes something I like), I still feel like the criticism is mostly something I agree with. I don't listen that much to King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull or any other classic groups, from whom SW has taken influences for this album, so that can possibly explain why I'm not as bothered by it. But he already did GfD which was 70's influenced. Raven is perhaps less jazz-y and more progressive, but it feels a bit like with The Incident, it's a great album, but it doesn't really do anything new he hasn't done before.

Regarding the Spotify-discussion, I thought what Paris is Burning said is pretty much spot on. It's fine if people use Spotify, but some of them act so holier-than-thou towards people who download, when Spotify really isn't much better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 06, 2013, 09:50:43 AM
What Lie said for me, except amplified to any music review at all. Music is so subjective, so absolutely centered around nothing but personal feelings, an even more personal form of expression, and completely introverted that to me it's never even been a thought of actively going out and reading a music review for a band I like. I couldn't give a shit less if Popular Guy A (who I've never heard of, just throwing that out there) hates it because he's got every album known to man and went to music school (I didn't watch the video for more than a few seconds, so I'm just throwing shit out there); it's still so personal that I really don't need to know his reasons for not liking it because it will never, ever change how I feel about it. He's entitled to his own opinion, that's dandy and all but I never got why people literally would choose not to listen to something, or rather mold their own opinion around another person's.

Brbsuckingstevensdick
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Regarding the Spotify-discussion, I thought what Paris is Burning said is pretty much spot on. It's fine if people use Spotify, but some of them act so holier-than-thou towards people who download, when Spotify really isn't much better.
It's not even close to the same thing. If you use Spotify premium, you're paying labels for streaming access to their libraries (like, $120 a year, if you keep it that long). Even if you just use Spotify for free, you're basically getting a streaming music service from your computer, paid for by ads and subscribers, which pay labels.

If you're just downloading music, you're stealing it and the artist and the label which published it is getting nothing. Period. It's not even close to the same thing.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 10:07:43 AM
Well it's another discussion really. Artists makes what, 1 cent per streamed song? I'm not saying there is no difference, I'm just saying it's pretty low to be acting holier-than-thou about it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 10:23:54 AM
Well it's another discussion really. Artists makes what, 1 cent per streamed song? I'm not saying there is no difference, I'm just saying it's pretty low to be acting holier-than-thou about it.
No one's acting holier than thou. You just said they were. I've never seen that.

Last I heard, Spotify actually loses money each year. They're shouldering the burden for now, in hopes that future subscriptions will boost and they'll have more to pay labels and artists. Not a bad trade-off, for one of the only few really successful efforts I've seen to quell rampant music theft while still keeping the convenience of it in tact.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 10:33:37 AM
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 10:36:58 AM
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King

Someone should tell him that.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 10:41:12 AM
Lol, great point. I like how he said the same thing about pianos. It's noble that he tries to wait until the day things come out to review them, but that's not an excuse to be lazy and do absolutely no research and to have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 11:10:53 AM
Regarding Spotify, I was referring to the people that don't subscribe. Obviously subscribers are doing their share to support the music they are listening to.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on March 06, 2013, 11:28:37 AM
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King

Someone should tell him that.  :lol

They already did and he dismissed it as SW being a copycat and saying how terrible it is that even using the original one SW makes it sound awful.

I had seen a few reviews by this guy and even though I don't necessarily agree with his tastes I thought they were OK. I've really lost interest now that I've read the comments in this review, watching him go full troll on negative commenters does not make me think highly of him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on March 06, 2013, 11:35:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7tl9-luZE
This guy is my favorite reviewer on youtube, even though I don't always agree with him. In this case, the problem truly is only the matter of taste, he's bothered by the things about this album that I actually really like. I don't know about the sound quality, everything sounds great to me.

But it's not like the guy hates prog rock, did you watch his review of In the court of the Crimson King? That's a great review.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 06, 2013, 11:52:09 AM
It's funny because there is a definite line drawn on thisa album by age.  Us old farts love this style on the album while the younger generation loves Insurgentes.  Not that either thinks the other albums are bad.  Both like to really like them but there is a difference in style.

Either way, I love the fact that he's always slightly changing and tinkering with his music.  I'm always dramn to artists like that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 12:05:50 PM
i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King

Someone should tell him that.  :lol

They already did and he dismissed it as SW being a copycat and saying how terrible it is that even using the original one SW makes it sound awful.

I had seen a few reviews by this guy and even though I don't necessarily agree with his tastes I thought they were OK. I've really lost interest now that I've read the comments in this review, watching him go full troll on negative commenters does not make me think highly of him.

Same here. It's like he knew everything he wanted to say about Steven Wilson before even reviewing the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
To be honest, if he doesn't like SW from before, I don't see how this album would have turned him around. No offense to this album, but if he didn't find anything in PT or the previous solo albums that he liked...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on March 06, 2013, 12:32:56 PM
After listening to Raven exclusively (and loving the hell out of it) as far as SW-related music goes, today I decided to pop in Fear of a Blank Planet. Hadn't heard that one in a while.

I reaaaaally like SW's solo career, but I'm hoping he'll revive Porcupine Tree when the time is right. There are obviously many similarities between the two, but I just dig the 'rockband' approach of PT. And FoaBP is such a slick, sick album. It just totally hit me in almost the same way it did when it came out. Soooo good.

That all said, I'm really looking forward to the Melkweg gig next monday.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
I'm not sure where I stand. If them getting back together means an album as good as FOABP - I would love it. But if The Incident was a sign of what's to come, then I would rather have him stay with his solo stuff. GfD is my favorite album of his and Insurgentes rules hard. It depends on what he's going to do with his solocareer as well. If he's gonna stick to 70's Progressive Rock, I'll get bored.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 06, 2013, 12:41:37 PM
Why can't I have my cake and eat it too?!  I'd like both.  It's not like Steven ever takes time off! :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 06, 2013, 12:51:51 PM
Us old farts love this style on the album while the younger generation loves Insurgentes.

Guess I'm an old fart then...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on March 06, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
Why can't I have my cake and eat it too?!  I'd like both.  It's not like Steven ever takes time off! :lol

Both is the best them. Agreed!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on March 06, 2013, 01:25:34 PM
Listening to the live release 'Octane Twisted' for the first time. Definately not what I was expecting from Porcupine Tree in terms of sound quality and (vocal) performance. I can see why SW voted against releasing it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 06, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Yeah, it's really not that great of a concert. At all. It was stupid of the record to overrule him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 01:36:24 PM
Octane Twisted is PT's version of Chaos in Motion. The band didn't want it, but RR did, and RR got what they wanted.

It would have been cool if there was at least video footage, which would have made it more of a tour documentary like CiM.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2013, 02:14:56 PM
I think most of his criticism is pretty accurate. I don't agree with the album being bad, because I really like it. But it has been done before, the influences are obvious and the album is not attempting to do anything new really. SW might feel like he is experimenting with this album, but it's really fairly standard Progressive Rock. Like I said, I like the album, it just doesn't that exciting. Regarding personal experiences, that should come across in the music. With Raven, the lyrics are ghost stories and that is the theme, so it's hard to make that personal. Lightbulb Sun has some personal stuff I guess. I dunno, I guess it depends on what music you listen to and how much you have to compare it to? I think there are many bands or artists who write more personal lyrics about experiences, but that's also in some genres where the lyrics is the mainframe of the whole song.
I think SW has most of his personal lyrics with PT, Insurgentes was mostly words he put together as improvisation (if I remember it right), GfD was more focused on the music, and with Raven it's even more focused on the music.

 

So? I never get why this is a problem for some.  Does an artist have to reinvent himself on an album for it to be great or special?  Hell no.  Great music is great music.

i thought it was funny how he mentioned 'faux-mellotrons', yet the mellotron used on the album is the exact one Robert Fripp used on In The Court of the Crimson King

That, and the piano thing PC mentioned, just made him sound stupid and uninformed.  I couldn't care less if he doesn't like this CD or Wilson's music in general, but when reviewers go in saying that they aren't a fan in the first place and then spend most or all of the review picking nits and saying things that aren't true, just for the sake of being negative, it comes off as them having an axe to grind rather than a legitimate review.

The bottom line is that that reviewer simply doesn't connect to SW's music on an emotional level, so he is probably never gonna like his stuff that much, and every review he does of anything Wilson-related will be a reflection of that.  Just like any review done by a diehard SW fan will be a reflection of that, too.  Fans go out of their way to be positive; critics go out of their way to be negative.  That's par for the course when it comes to reviews.

Why can't I have my cake and eat it too?!  I'd like both.  It's not like Steven ever takes time off! :lol

Damn right! :tup :tup

But I agree with PixelDream's comment about PT's "rockband" approach.  As much as I love SW's solo work, whenever I listen to PT, some of those riffs and guitar solos remind me that PT just has that little extra something as far as edginess goes (although his solo material has stuff I love that PT is usually missing).  So, yeah, having PT and solo SW really is getting the best of both worlds. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Millais on March 06, 2013, 02:17:07 PM
That Needle Drop review .. don't agree with everything he's said (at all) but at least he makes some valid points and backs them up with good arguments.

Didn't buy the production criticisms whatsoever at all. Strongly disagreed with that (for the first time in a while in one of his reviews). This is one of the best sounding albums in ages.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
I don't think you have to reinvent yourself on every album, but if you are making the same album twice or staying within a certain sound, quality is the key. It only bothers me slightly with Raven because I do like the album, I just think Grace was much better.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 02:57:19 PM
I don't think you have to reinvent yourself on every album, but if you are making the same album twice or staying within a certain sound, quality is the key. It only bothers me slightly with Raven because I do like the album, I just think Grace was much better.


Likewise, while I like Grace, it's somewhat bloated to my ears, like Steven and his new band needed to binge without restraint first to get it all out of their system before being able to sit down and "craft" something.

And as I said to Zantera elsewhere, yeah, I don't get all the pressure on bands to break the mold 1, 2, 3, or even 4 times. Even the most innovative bands are lucky to have done so once. SW has done so at least 3 times, so there is no need to complain.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 06, 2013, 03:59:51 PM
I don't think you have to reinvent yourself on every album, but if you are making the same album twice or staying within a certain sound, quality is the key. It only bothers me slightly with Raven because I do like the album, I just think Grace was much better.

Though the style of music is similar,  both albums are sonically different which is what he was going for.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 06, 2013, 04:00:06 PM
Octane Twisted is PT's version of Chaos in Motion. The band didn't want it, but RR did, and RR got what they wanted.

It would have been cool if there was at least video footage, which would have made it more of a tour documentary like CiM.
Hmmm, the difference is that MP was actually all for it; and was always eager to have every possible DT song performed live in one way or another, but both the audio and video qualities were awful. In Octane Twisted, maybe the video is obviously not at an Anesthetize level, but the audio is cool and the performances are good as well (also, quite different to CiM where they picked the songs for the video quality, rather than the performance itself).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 04:04:14 PM
MP was not all for it. He had to fight to get video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Heretic on March 06, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs. Everything on Raven feels focused and like it should be there.

Plus, I don't really get the sentiment that this is anything like GFD... I mean, both sort of had a retro prog feel, but honestly the albums feel completely different. Raven doesn't feel that derivative.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2013, 04:46:03 PM
Grace was more jazz-y and this one is more 'traditional' Progressive Rock, but they are both very 70's influenced, and you can hear very clear King Crimson-influences in both Raider II and Luminol/Holy Drinker, just for one example. They're not identical, but they are not miles away soundwise.

Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 05:20:11 PM
Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.

No one is hating on GfD lol

Way to just plunge into an extreme exaggeration  :lol

Really, if you loved Grace for Drowning, there's absolutely no way you could not love The Raven That Refused To Sing, unless you are just that against Steven writing more than one record in a similar style, which means you probably hate all the PT records after Signify and all the Blackfield records after the first, and so on.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 05:24:57 PM
GFD is too long.

Insurgentes is the best them
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2013, 05:26:44 PM
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs. 

 ???

I'd love to hear what songs are supposedly boring.  Everything on that record sounds like it should be, and the flow is immaculate.

Also, INB4 someone goes the predictable route and says the title track, Raider Prelude and/or Belle De Jour is/are filler, which is code for, "I missed the entire point of the album experience."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 05:35:39 PM
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs. 

 ???

I'd love to hear what songs are supposedly boring.  Everything on that record sounds like it should be, and the flow is immaculate.

Also, INB4 someone goes the predictable route and says the title track, Raider Prelude and/or Belle De Jour is/are filler, which is code for, "I missed the entire point of the album experience."

I find myself drifting off through a number of songs and, no, not the ones you mentioned. Not that I don't like it, but it's an exhaustive experience to get through, and the "noise" sections kinda just drag on, just like they drag Insurgentes down for me.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 05:47:47 PM
Yeah Grace For Drowning was really really bloated. Some amazing songs and then some really really boring songs. 

 ???

I'd love to hear what songs are supposedly boring.  Everything on that record sounds like it should be, and the flow is immaculate.

Also, INB4 someone goes the predictable route and says the title track, Raider Prelude and/or Belle De Jour is/are filler, which is code for, "I missed the entire point of the album experience."

I actually love all the ones you mentioned. Songs like "Track One", "Sectarian" and lots of parts of "Raider II" don't add anything to the album experience for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 06, 2013, 05:50:11 PM
Bingo.

Stuff like "Track One" starts really good, but the noise stuff just ruins it for me. That's kinda why I don't have Insurgentes higher, either.

After pulling that on more than a couple of Insurgentes tracks, and watching him explain that on the documentary, whenever I heard it crop up in GfD I was like, "We get it, Steven. You can ruin something beautiful sounding with... noise. Cool concept, I guess."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 05:53:05 PM
I don't dislike them because of the noise aspect. I dislike "Sectarian" because it feels like a worthless jam for no reason; "Track One" because, face it, it is an unfinished song, and some parts of "Raider II" because it's just "long for the sake of being long"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2013, 05:57:34 PM
Track One isn't one of my favorites, but I still like it.  I like how three different ideas are all blended into one regular length song.

Sectarian is awesomeness personified, IMO.

I can see why some might feel that Raider II is a bit much, but I love the loose feel of it, and it is a helluva ride.  Live, I am not sure why they felt the need to play the coda (the very ending after the bombastic fake-ending), but on the album, it helps the segue into Like Dust I Have Cleared from My Eye.

As for the noise bits, they don't bother me at all on GfD (because they are few and far between). There are times on Insurgentes where I wish he wouldn't have gone overboard with them, but the only real bummer for me there is that some of the songs I cannot put on my sleep playlist since they have the Pink Floyd "Time" effect - perfect for dozing off to, except for the short bit that will wake you the hell up. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 06, 2013, 08:32:49 PM
The more I listen to GfD the less I find there is filler. I mean the Raider Prelude is a little unnecessary and I don't like Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye as much as most, but other than that great stuff. And I really wanna learn Belle De Jour on guitar. It's beautiful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 06, 2013, 09:32:41 PM
Grace For Drowning does feel a bit overly-long, but at least it maintains a good flow throughout.

Anyways, my song rankings for the new album:
1: Luminol
2: The Raven That Refused To Sing
3: The Watchmaker
4: The Pin Drop
5: Drive Home
6: The Holy Drinker
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 06, 2013, 09:38:21 PM
1. The Raven That Refused to Sing
2. The Watchmaker
3. Drive Home
4. The Holy Drinker
5. Luminol
6. The Pin Drop
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on March 06, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
Didn't Steven really emphasize how GFD is not meant to be listened to in one sitting? When you take the two discs separately, neither one is bloated at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 06, 2013, 10:31:52 PM
^That's true. I find sitting through one incredibly easy.

Any of the top 3 could easily be number 1, while 4 and 5 are equally close to each other:

1. The Pin Drop
2. The Holy Drinker
3. The Raven That Refused to Sing
4. The Watchmaker
5. Drive Home
6. Luminol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 06, 2013, 11:56:37 PM
I don't dislike them because of the noise aspect. I dislike "Sectarian" because it feels like a worthless jam for no reason; "Track One" because, face it, it is an unfinished song, and some parts of "Raider II" because it's just "long for the sake of being long"

I fucking love Sectarian, for a couple of weeks it was almost my favourite track he's released solo. I really REALLY dig the 7/8 stabs at 02:30 and the feel of the whole tone ascending scale vs the dropped minor third on the second repetition... which potentially sounds like I like it FOR whatever it is technically but it's just a way of trying to explain which bit I'm talking about... and the curtain drop on the GFD DVD is easily in the top two orgasmic moments of any live DVD I own. 06:11 is musical climax personified for me.

With Raider II I love the space within it and everything it crams in, it never feels long for the sake of being long to me. I was really interested to hear the demo version of that song, which sounds like a really relaxed almost poppy early Radiohead track. It's amazing to feel the difference in approach compared to the final album version, which is so deliciously creepy. I'm so into the lyrics in that song. When he screams 'I'm Raaaaaaaaaider' live towards the end it just gives me the most insane chills.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 07, 2013, 12:02:29 AM
Track ranking for Raven thus far:

1. The Raven that Refused to Sing
2. The Holy Drinker
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. Pin Drop

Pin Drop does next to nothing for me. Raven is one of my favourite tracks he's ever released in any project. The Holy Drinker is just fucking immense, the opening parts of that live were just phenomenal to see. I love the mid section of Watchmaker more than the sum of its parts (the 'well you were just meant to be temporary' and 04:07 - 09:50 overall) but the beginning leaves me a bit cold and the ending jars with me a lot, so I'd have to go for the entirety of Drive Home vs the entirety of Watchmaker. I think Luminol is awesome but I guess the shine has worn off given that I've known it for a lot longer than the rest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 07, 2013, 12:50:06 AM
Track ranking for Raven thus far:

1. The Raven that Refused to Sing
2. The Holy Drinker
3. Drive Home
4. The Watchmaker
5. Luminol
6. Pin Drop

Pin Drop does next to nothing for me. Raven is one of my favourite tracks he's ever released in any project. The Holy Drinker is just fucking immense, the opening parts of that live were just phenomenal to see. I love the mid section of Watchmaker more than the sum of its parts (the 'well you were just meant to be temporary' and 04:07 - 09:50 overall) but the beginning leaves me a bit cold and the ending jars with me a lot, so I'd have to go for the entirety of Drive Home vs the entirety of Watchmaker. I think Luminol is awesome but I guess the shine has worn off given that I've known it for a lot longer than the rest.

If I had to rate the songs on Raven, that would be almost exactly it, as are your thoughts; except I love The Pin Drop, it'd be tied with The Holy Drinker (and/or at 2 with THD at 3). Other than that  :tup :tup Couldn't have said it better. Every time I listen to Raven, the song, it's a damn emotional experience. I can't wait to see it live. Oh and I wish I could expand the piano-backed portion of "well you were just mean to be temporary..." into a whole song.. :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on March 07, 2013, 12:53:41 AM
If I had to rate the songs on Raven, that would be almost exactly it, as are your thoughts; except I love The Pin Drop, it'd be tied with The Holy Drinker (and/or at 2 with THD at 3). Other than that  :tup :tup Couldn't have said it better. Every time I listen to Raven, the song, it's a damn emotional experience. I can't wait to see it live. Oh and I wish I could expand the piano-backed portion of "well you were just mean to be temporary..." into a whole song.. :heart

Yes! Totally. The more I listen to Pin Drop the more I enjoy it but it still would rank bottom for me at the minute. I'm gutted that the gig is over now, it was such an emotional night. The end of the song right before Raven, when the piano chords came in, was just... something that gives me chills at the memory. Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2013, 01:28:53 AM
Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.

No one is hating on GfD lol

Way to just plunge into an extreme exaggeration  :lol

Really, if you loved Grace for Drowning, there's absolutely no way you could not love The Raven That Refused To Sing, unless you are just that against Steven writing more than one record in a similar style, which means you probably hate all the PT records after Signify and all the Blackfield records after the first, and so on.

I mean generally speaking. A lot of people are like "GfD sucks, it's too long etc etc." I think it's perfect myself so. :P
And like I've said regarding Raven, I really do like the album. It's in my top3 albums for 2013 so far, my only complaint is that I wished SW had done something slightly different. The album is still great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 07, 2013, 01:40:53 AM
After a couple of listens I've found this is a real good soild album. It's hard for me to rank but it's something like this:

The Raven That Refused to Sing
The Pindrop/The Holy Drinker
The Watchmaker
Drive Home
Luminol

Luminol being low means just how good this album is. The soothing harmonies, great atmosphere and wonderful production are great. The vocoder in Raven is one of the coolest things ive heard used in a song, the tone of it fit perfectly, as does its video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 07, 2013, 07:11:51 AM
When he screams 'I'm Raaaaaaaaaider' live towards the end it just gives me the most insane chills.

I've been doing a great deal of shitting on "Raider II" (honestly in part to play devil's advocate, it's definitely not as bad as I was implying) but man, that part is extremely chill-inducing! :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2013, 07:20:20 AM
Raider II is one of my favorite songs he has done, and the "IM RAIDER"-part is the most epic part of it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
The more I listen to GfD the less I find there is filler. I mean the Raider Prelude is a little unnecessary and I don't like Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye as much as most, but other than that great stuff. And I really wanna learn Belle De Jour on guitar. It's beautiful.

I heavily disagree.  I love how dark and ominous those piano chords are; it's a great set-up for Remainder the Black Dog.

Also, screw the haters. GfD is his best album, all projects included.

No one is hating on GfD lol

Way to just plunge into an extreme exaggeration  :lol

Really, if you loved Grace for Drowning, there's absolutely no way you could not love The Raven That Refused To Sing, unless you are just that against Steven writing more than one record in a similar style, which means you probably hate all the PT records after Signify and all the Blackfield records after the first, and so on.

I mean generally speaking. A lot of people are like "GfD sucks, it's too long etc etc." 

 :facepalm:  PC is right; no one is saying that, least of all, "a lot of people."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 07, 2013, 08:44:37 AM
Considering that and the comment about "a lot" of Spotify users acting holier-than-thou, I think someone needs to sit Zantera down and explain to him that "a lot" does not equal "no one at all, actually" ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2013, 08:46:50 AM
yes because when i say "a lot of people" i mean specifically only people in this thread, in this subforum and on this forum. jesus
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2013, 08:48:12 AM
It's a common message board tactic:

"A lot of people don't salivate over an album like I do, so therefore they must hate it."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 07, 2013, 08:50:02 AM
yes because when i say "a lot of people" i mean specifically only people in this thread, in this subforum and on this forum. jesus
Either way, you're wrong. No one in this thread at all said that they hate GfD, or that it sucks. A few other people and I said they thought it was "a little bloating" or "boring" sometimes, but everyone's been pretty adamant that they still like it.

It's kinda hard to talk about it at all if you're just gonna mischaracterize and exaggerate what other people say.  Do you realize how annoying that is?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2013, 08:51:28 AM
Yeah that really wasn't the point with my post. The point was that I think it's the best album SW has done, a lot of people think otherwise.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 07, 2013, 08:52:33 AM
Great. Surely you can get to that point without putting words in everyone's mouth?

Even if you weren't just talking about the discussion on the last page, which I kinda find unlikely, you'd be hard-pressed to find a lot of people saying GfD sucks anywhere. Unless you are refering to some niche music group or something, GfD has gotten almost universal praise since it came out:

Amazon.com: 4.7 out of 5 stars, 96 reviews
iTunes: 5 Stars, 131 reviews
Sputnick: 4.2 out of 5 stars, 441 votes tallied
Rolling Stone 4/5 Stars
Pop Matter 8/10

I mean, if not the lukewarm criticism some people were just voicing here, where are these "lots" of people who say it sucks, and it's boring?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 07, 2013, 09:53:43 AM
Raider II is amazing. I don't really get bored of it at any point.

And aw, y'all ranking The Pin Drop so low. Has some of the best melodies he's ever done. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2013, 10:15:41 AM
Great. Surely you can get to that point without putting words in everyone's mouth?

Even if you weren't just talking about the discussion on the last page, which I kinda find unlikely, you'd be hard-pressed to find a lot of people saying GfD sucks anywhere. Unless you are refering to some niche music group or something, GfD has gotten almost universal praise since it came out:

Amazon.com: 4.7 out of 5 stars, 96 reviews
iTunes: 5 Stars, 131 reviews
Sputnick: 4.2 out of 5 stars, 441 votes tallied
Rolling Stone 4/5 Stars
Pop Matter 8/10

I mean, if not the lukewarm criticism some people were just voicing here, where are these "lots" of people who say it sucks, and it's boring?

Dude, you know how internet works. It's either black or white. :P I'm with you that music doesn't have to suck because it isn't amazing, but you should also be familiar with the 5/8 & Sputnik/RYM-mentality. If something isn't awesome, it's the worst shit ever. Generally I think GfD has gotten fairly little hate compared to maybe The Incident or Storm Corrosion, but a lot of people still complains about the length of the album, or some songs on the album, or whatever. Even several people who like the album has also said it doesn't come close topping PT's best albums. And that is where I disagree.

I really don't see why someone would get worked up over a quote like "fuck the haters", everything has its fans and haters in this world. No matter if it's an album, a movie or whatever. Like I said, I didn't even mean specifically people in this thread, but people who disliked the album in general, because I know a few who do. The album rules.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 07, 2013, 10:30:36 AM
I really don't think you should let it bother you at all what others think.  People post on the internet without really any repercussions and go way overboard.  What matters is that you really like GFD.  I don't care what anybody else says in the end because it only matters what I think about bands, albums, artists.

I personally like the new album better but that soesn't mean I don't like GFD.  I played that album a billion times.  To each his or her own.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2013, 10:33:35 AM
I'm with you that music doesn't have to suck because it isn't amazing, but you should also be familiar with the 5/8 & Sputnik/RYM-mentality. If something isn't awesome, it's the worst shit ever. 

So basically, you are perpetuating one of the internet's most annoying habits, and copping out with the "everyone does it" excuse?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 07, 2013, 10:43:44 AM
I know Zantera, but just given the context of the thread, it seemed like you were talking about others criticizing the album for being boring in parts, rather than just voicing general criticism of what people at some of the more obnoxious online communities say.

And yeah I'm pretty much with kev on the exaggeration front. It's annoying in general and one of the reasons I kinda avoid 5/8 now, but it's especially annoying if you think someone's exaggerating your own criticisms.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2013, 10:46:30 AM
I give up, this discussion is retarded.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2013, 10:49:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOLbuFVG0fs
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on March 07, 2013, 11:31:15 AM
Everyone's just a little emotional after seeing SW violated by The Needle Drop.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 07, 2013, 12:34:37 PM
Raider II is amazing. I don't really get bored of it at any point.

And aw, y'all ranking The Pin Drop so low. Has some of the best melodies he's ever done. :(

Not me, I actually love the melodies and the entire song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 07, 2013, 12:47:35 PM
(https://i47.tinypic.com/mlrrzm.jpg)
Something's not right here...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2013, 09:24:36 AM
So yeah, a friend and I are now going to the concert in Chicago in early May. Tickets have been purchased. :hat :hat :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Paris is Burning on March 08, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
my father randomly sent me a text today "the new SW album is so awesome!"

best dad
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 08, 2013, 03:05:17 PM
 :tup I recently got my dad into SW after he came to a show with Jackie and I. He says he can't listen to Raven (the song) too much or he will grow a pussy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 08, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
I haven't gotten my mom into SW's solo stuff yet because I don't know if she'll react well to the increased progginess, but PT is one of her favourite bands at the moment because of me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
LieLow, PT is very proggy.  Is she into the 2000's PT or the 90's PT?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 08, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
It's just the more classic influenced prog she's not a fan of. She loves Tool also for instance.

And moreso 2000's PT, but she likes some 90's PT (A Smart Kid is one of her favourite PT songs for instance). I'll still probably get her to listen to it at some point, but I'm not sure how she'll feel about the jammy sections like in Luminol and The Holy Drinker is all. But we'll see.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2013, 08:19:20 PM
Let her soak it in and she'll be the judge.  That''s cool that your mom is into it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 08, 2013, 08:24:16 PM
Yeah she has great taste. She got me into quite a few of the bands I listen to today (Tool, Radiohead, Depeche Mode to name a few).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on March 09, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
I wasn't sure how I'd react to the continuation of what started with certain songs in Grace for Drowning with the old prog influences. However, this record is spectacular. It's one of the most consistent albums I've heard, nothing feels bloated.

I'll still always prefer the modern sounds of PT and really hope he continues with it. I like his solo stuff, but PT is where he'll always be for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on March 12, 2013, 05:17:44 AM
The concert yesterday in Amsterdam was unreal. After having seen Porcupine Tree for years, and his previous solo tours, I can still say that he's on top of his game. And this band, this band, this band. Holy sh** Guthrie Govan. He totally killed it last night.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on March 12, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
I lent Raven to a hospice patient, and he really dug it  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 12, 2013, 06:48:45 PM
You are a really good person
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 12, 2013, 06:50:37 PM
For realz.  :'( :metal :millahhhh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on March 13, 2013, 01:34:20 AM
Well I gave him Storm Corrosion a couple weeks ago and he loved it. He's very introspective and open with talking about death, and he said it resonated with him a lot as somebody dying. Heavy shit.
So I was like "Oh, well this one's about ghosts! You'll dig it."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2013, 10:01:42 AM
I finally got all of the Steven Wilson Cover Version tunes, and, wow, this is like having a brand new SW album! 12 songs, 6 of which are originals, and 6 of which are covers (4 of which are new to me since I don't know the original, so it might as well be an original to me).  And almost all of them are really good.  Please Come Home, A Forest, Well You're Wrong, Lord of the Reedy River, An End to End, etc.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on March 21, 2013, 12:02:40 PM
His Cover-Versions stuff is really great. Would love to pick it up physically but it's out of stock from what I know.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on March 25, 2013, 01:24:06 PM
The Pin Drop  :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 25, 2013, 02:02:38 PM
I know I've been parading my love of that song a lot, but god damn it really is amazing. Those chorus melodies are beautiful. :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dr. DTVT on March 25, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
The Raven That Refused To Sing might be my go to album when I'm writing lectures for a while.  Not too catchy (I don't want to be distracted), but definately enjoyable to have in the background.

Update:  I love the title track.  I mean LOVE.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on March 27, 2013, 01:11:26 PM
I think I love the title track more every time I hear it. It's one of the most beautiful things I've heard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on March 27, 2013, 01:56:09 PM
My opinion of the album hasn't changed at all...in that I still love every single second of it and I really cannot bring myself to even try to rate this album because each track has a completely different impact on me that I love equally. If that makes any sense. It's like asking a parent to tell truthfully, with 100% transparency, which child of theirs they love the most if they have more than one child. I just have to say that I love all of them equally even though I actually like some parts of one song more than another, but that other song will have a section that makes me reconsider. It's a back and forth that I love because each track contributes something no matter what. It's a beautifully constructed album and it will go down in history for me as the penultimate Steven Wilson album in regards to him finding a place in the musical community. I think this album will be a huge factor in his future, both in PT and as an artist in general.

But yeah, the title track will remain to be the most emotionally impactful out of all the tracks.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on April 07, 2013, 09:05:41 AM
I bought TRTRTS on Wednesday, and after 3 full listens I can safely say that it's easily better than Grace for Drowning and possibly better than Insurgentes, too. Right now I'd rank the songs like this:

1. The Holy Drinker
2. The Pin Drop
3. Drive Home
4. The Raven...
5. Luminol
6. The Watchmaker
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 07, 2013, 10:19:46 AM
You know... as much as I have listened to Raven... I still can't rate the tracks. They are all so great!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on April 07, 2013, 10:22:36 AM
I havn't listened to the album in a while, and at the moment the only one song that I would call unforgettable (that is to say historic) is the title track.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 07, 2013, 10:25:34 AM
Yeah, I'd have trouble ranking the album. All the songs are pretty close in quality.

Except for "The Watchmaker." That one feels more like a collection of ideas than a coherent song at points. It's still enjoyable, just less so.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Silver Tears on April 07, 2013, 10:38:09 AM
Wat. The Watchmaker is probably my favourite if I had to pick.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on April 07, 2013, 10:47:34 AM
I agree with TKiC - the whole album is pretty good and solid on the whole, but The Watchmaker is a bit less coherent than the other songs and that's why it's at the bottom of my ranking.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 07, 2013, 11:45:50 AM
The Watchmaker is the best together with the title track IMO. I just love the acoustic guitars and the vocal harmonies.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 07, 2013, 11:49:47 AM
The Watchmaker is the best together with the title track IMO. I just love the acoustic guitars and the vocal harmonies.
I would agree were it not for Luminol, The Pin Drop, The Holy Drinker and Drive Home. ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on April 07, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
The Watchmaker is pretty awesome, although there are times when feel it takes too long before the furious last two minutes kick in. But sometimes I'm in such a mood that I really enjoy the quieter jam sections. Maybe the first half drags a little bit, but from ''You were just temporary...'' onward it's absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 07, 2013, 12:20:20 PM
I love The Watchmaker. Luminol is definitely my least favourite. Even though it's still great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 07, 2013, 03:41:18 PM
I love The Watchmaker. Luminol is definitely my least favourite. Even though it's still great.

Agree 100%

3 weeks till  the show!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on April 08, 2013, 11:42:37 AM
Wat. The Watchmaker is probably my favourite if I had to pick.

Hells yes, this. That said, I adore Luminol, the title track and all of the others, but The Watchmaker kicks seven shades of balls, it's so good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 08, 2013, 07:29:34 PM
Drive Home was my favorite from the beginning and it's my favorite now. The Watchmaker is pretty damn good tho.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wolfking on April 08, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
Hey, I'm thinking about buying his new solo album, but to be honest, the first two didn't do much for me, they just weren't my style.  Is this in the same vein?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 08, 2013, 08:53:13 PM
It's pretty much the same style.
But better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on April 08, 2013, 09:21:03 PM
It's a bit less varied than Insurgentes and more upbeat and less monotonous than GFD.

If you enjoy classic, progressive rock, you'd probably enjoy this.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wolfking on April 08, 2013, 09:28:01 PM
That sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 08, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
I would say it's a a worse version of GfD, but it's still worth checking out if you like classic prog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on April 09, 2013, 12:54:21 AM
As I said above, I think it's much better than Grace for Drowning and maybe a little better than Insurgentes. The whole album is played by the same line-up of musicians, which is probably why it sounds more consistent and coherent.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: drummerThatShreds87 on April 10, 2013, 12:48:38 PM
GFD is still his best solo release, imo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 10, 2013, 02:03:34 PM
TRTRTS is such a good song. Im enjoying it the most out of the album.  My favorite part is the autotuned part that represents the raven singing in the video.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: tartarus250 on April 12, 2013, 02:46:47 AM
Well I have to say that I am not a fan of porcupine tree or Steven Wilson generally but I totally love trtrts what am album!! I love every track but if pressed I think luminol is my favourite :-)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: matt1722 on April 12, 2013, 06:57:32 AM
I'm going to the SW concert In Tampa on Tuesday (Extremely excited btw) Anyone else headed to that one?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 12, 2013, 07:33:51 AM
I'm going to the SW concert In Tampa on Tuesday (Extremely excited btw) Anyone else headed to that one?
I think Reaperkk is and I hope to as well, we should meet up :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: matt1722 on April 12, 2013, 07:36:08 AM
I'm going to the SW concert In Tampa on Tuesday (Extremely excited btw) Anyone else headed to that one?
I think Reaperkk is and I hope to as well, we should meet up :D

DTF meet up in Tampa sounds good to me, I'm game  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 12, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
Yup, I'm down, you gotta name the time and place.

Just remember the show is in St. Petersburg so we have to have time to get there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: matt1722 on April 12, 2013, 02:39:48 PM
I'm not really sure of the area, only have been to Tampa a couple times, but if you guys name a place I'm sure I could find it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 12, 2013, 02:47:44 PM
You guys have fun. I would've liked to see this tour but can't get no one to be my ride.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 13, 2013, 01:19:39 AM
Same, Ben. I feel ya; I just sold my ticket because I thought I had a ride and now after exhausting every single resource I could possibly drudge up, I am without one. Thusly, I slit my ballsack open and hope to bleed out.

At least that's what I feel like doing. I was so god damn mother fucking cocksucking excited about this piece of shit fucking concert shit cock fuck whore bitch tits.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 13, 2013, 04:04:29 AM
You guys have fun. I would've liked to see this tour but can't get no one to be my ride.
Same, Ben. I feel ya; I just sold my ticket because I thought I had a ride and now after exhausting every single resource I could possibly drudge up, I am without one. Thusly, I slit my ballsack open and hope to bleed out.

At least that's what I feel like doing. I was so god damn mother fucking cocksucking excited about this piece of shit fucking concert shit cock fuck whore bitch tits.
:-\ :hug:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 13, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
Same, Ben. I feel ya; I just sold my ticket because I thought I had a ride and now after exhausting every single resource I could possibly drudge up, I am without one. Thusly, I slit my ballsack open and hope to bleed out.

At least that's what I feel like doing. I was so god damn mother fucking cocksucking excited about this piece of shit fucking concert shit cock fuck whore bitch tits.

Okay, I feel bad for your plight, but I laughed out loud for real at the bolded.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 15, 2013, 06:50:45 PM
Alright so I will be at The Burg tomorrow before the show, it's a really close meeting point to the show. If you anyone going to tomorrow wants to meetup shoot me a pm!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2013, 07:14:42 PM
If anyone needs a ticket for Philly, my sister is having trouble getting off from work that night and wants me to see if I can sell her ticket. PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2013, 07:19:47 PM
Just tell her to quit, go to the concert and then find a new job.  It'll be worth it. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2013, 07:28:40 PM
Well, I'd like to, but my sister can be quite a retard at times and her part time spring/summer job is one of the few things she has going for her.

The funny part is she only figured out this was an issue when I texted her on Saturday to tell her to make sure she has off for the concert that she's known about for months.

The other funny part is that the last tour I decided not to go and she did. Seeing the live Blu-Ray I've been kicking myself ever since. And while she loved the show she's disappointed the show is at a seated theater because she somehow thinks a SW show should be standing/pit style. Even amongst people who prefer GA/standing I just don't see how you can think that would be best for a SW concert...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 15, 2013, 07:51:33 PM
Seated all the way
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 15, 2013, 07:58:06 PM
I like standing
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2013, 08:01:21 PM
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 15, 2013, 08:07:40 PM
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.
its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 15, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.
its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music

In a case like SW standing takes away far more from the experience. He has world class musicians playing very intense and involved material. If you're struggling to see over people and losing yourself in a crowd it's much harder to focus on the intricacies. Sitting allows you to sit back and enjoy the experience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 15, 2013, 08:16:13 PM
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.
its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music

In a case like SW standing takes away far more from the experience. He has world class musicians playing very intense and involved material. If you're struggling to see over people and losing yourself in a crowd it's much harder to focus on the intricacies. Sitting allows you to sit back and enjoy the experience.
standing allows you to become more absorbed in my opinion, and most stages are raised so seeing usually isn't an issue. Sitting just seems to tame the experience.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on April 15, 2013, 08:16:57 PM
Solution - provide both options. Problem solved
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 15, 2013, 08:18:22 PM
Solution - provide both options. Problem solved
i never see a problem with that
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2013, 11:04:42 PM
I always prefer to have seats, that way I can sit before the concert starts, during the opening act (if there is one) and during the occasional "down" moment.  That way, I can conserve my energy to stand for the main act.  Having no seats means you usually have to stand for 2-3 hours (waiting outside + the doors open usually an hour before showtime + if there is an opening act) before the band you are there to see hits the stage, and that sucks.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on April 16, 2013, 04:45:39 AM
I stopped caring at one point and started sitting on the floor in between acts to preserve energy. That's what I do.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 16, 2013, 04:54:36 AM
I stopped caring at one point and started sitting on the floor in between acts to preserve energy. That's what I do.  :biggrin:
I can stand around for hours without a problem, jump, headbang, scream, you name it, but as soon as the show is over and the adrenaline is out, I just drop to the floor for a while ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 16, 2013, 06:05:24 AM
Now that Kev said something about opening acts, I wonder if there will be one today.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 16, 2013, 06:19:21 AM
Like I said, I can understand a preference one way or the other, but saying a SW show should be standing is like saying Coheed shows should be seated.
its not like you you have to mosh, sitting just takes the experience away IMO, except for certain cases like classical music

In a case like SW standing takes away far more from the experience. He has world class musicians playing very intense and involved material. If you're struggling to see over people and losing yourself in a crowd it's much harder to focus on the intricacies. Sitting allows you to sit back and enjoy the experience.

While I agree with you, it's tough because there's always that douchebag who has a seated spot, but stands up anyway, just to piss off the people behind him. If you have people in front of you who actually sit down at their seated spot, I agree with you 100%, but sometimes you get that asshat who just has to stand, even though it's a seated ticket.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2013, 09:01:11 AM
There is nothing wrong with standing even if you have a seat; it is a rock concert after all, not a freaking play.  Now, having said that, if everyone in the section is sitting, I won't be that guy, the only one who stands, but usually all it takes is a few people standing and the domino affect kicks in and almost everyone is then standing within a minute or two.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 16, 2013, 10:22:16 AM
I just pop a squat on the floor and then cut off people's legs so I can see the stage better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 16, 2013, 11:37:55 AM
There is nothing wrong with standing even if you have a seat; it is a rock concert after all, not a freaking play.  Now, having said that, if everyone in the section is sitting, I won't be that guy, the only one who stands, but usually all it takes is a few people standing and the domino affect kicks in and almost everyone is then standing within a minute or two.

Pretty much this. If people wish to stand that will become apparent at the beginning of the show. If people wish to sit, that will also be apparent. And if everyone is sitting and you're standing... you're a douchebag and there is no two ways around that. When everyone else is standing and you want to sit you have no choice but to stand to see the show. On the other hand if everyone is seated and you're standing because you think everyone should be you're an asshole who is willing to screw over others because you can't deal with the fact they don't feel the same way about the situation that you do.

It would be kinda neat if at seated venues when they scan your ticket at the door you got to vote on sit vs. stand, and they'd announce the winning tally prior to the show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2013, 11:46:19 AM
I was that guy one time at a concert, but that was only because Styx was playing Queen of Spades, which I thought I'd never see them play, so I was gonna enjoy that song to the fullest.  I sat back down as soon as it was over.  And I think everyone was only sitting down in our section cause it was raining (we were literally in the first row that wasn't covered. :lol :lol :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 16, 2013, 01:44:02 PM
Now that Kev said something about opening acts, I wonder if there will be one today.
i don't see any listed, I'm heading down after I get off at the zoo, so that I hopefully have time to find parking and a bite to eat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on April 16, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
I was that douchebag at a DT show. JP was playing his famous Hollow Years solo, and there was a cameraman with all his equipment lined up right in my line of sight of JP. So I stood. I hoped that others would too. I'm the type of guy that likes to fight the crowd and not just comply with whatever everyone else is doing, but do what I want to do. But alas, I was douchebag.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 16, 2013, 03:40:05 PM
Live, "The Watchmaker" filmed live in Neu-Isenberg, Germany - 23rd March 2013.  Man is it good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw#!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on April 16, 2013, 04:05:05 PM
Tremendous. Can't find my jaw... :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 16, 2013, 04:08:13 PM
Wearing a rotten sound tee, green and black trucker cap and brown flannel, find me in line or in the venue!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 16, 2013, 09:10:56 PM
Sorry I couldn't find you Dark Castle.

Great show, same setlist as the last show in Europe. Pretty filled up in State, I almost never see it that packed in there. Had some great pictures of the show. I'll have to post a bit later.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 16, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
That was one of the most amazing shows I've ever been to.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 16, 2013, 10:37:25 PM
Live, "The Watchmaker" filmed live in Neu-Isenberg, Germany - 23rd March 2013.  Man is it good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw#!

That was awesome.
...are they seriously playing the whole show behind a semi-transparent curtain though? It's kinda hard to tell in the video...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2013, 10:45:37 PM
That was definitely way too awesome.  I think Steven Wilson officially won the internet today. :biggrin: :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on April 17, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
Hey Nick, when is the Philly show? I can ask Tony if you haven't found anyone to buy yet.

As for the standing/sitting debate, I prefer to sit unless it's dancing music but will stand during certain songs or if the people in front of me are standing (obviously). I am psyched that my seats for SW are in the first row of the balcony, so I can do whatever the fuck I want and still be able to see.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 17, 2013, 06:19:40 AM
There is nothing wrong with standing even if you have a seat; it is a rock concert after all, not a freaking play.  Now, having said that, if everyone in the section is sitting, I won't be that guy, the only one who stands, but usually all it takes is a few people standing and the domino affect kicks in and almost everyone is then standing within a minute or two.

Pretty much this. If people wish to stand that will become apparent at the beginning of the show. If people wish to sit, that will also be apparent. And if everyone is sitting and you're standing... you're a douchebag and there is no two ways around that. When everyone else is standing and you want to sit you have no choice but to stand to see the show. On the other hand if everyone is seated and you're standing because you think everyone should be you're an asshole who is willing to screw over others because you can't deal with the fact they don't feel the same way about the situation that you do.

It would be kinda neat if at seated venues when they scan your ticket at the door you got to vote on sit vs. stand, and they'd announce the winning tally prior to the show.
Appropriately to the thread topic - I went to a Porcupine Tree gig in some very fancy hall, swish as heck, very classy, and everyone sat for the whole gig, until Steven Wilson asked us to stand up, saying, "Come on, it's a rock concert." Even upon standing, I felt fairly uncomfortable. Wanted to stand throughout, but because it was very clearly a concert hall, I had an image of people behind me rolling their eyes at my head-height arse through pince-nez and wishing that frightful man would just take a seat. Very strange gig. Great performance, but very strange.

Speaking of great performances - time for me to watch the Watchmaker! Still not got the album yet. Excited, if it's all as good as the title track, but it means this'll be my first time hearing the song. What a way to discover it.

ETA: First minute... serious Supper's Ready vibes. Man!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 17, 2013, 10:56:26 AM
Hey Nick, when is the Philly show? I can ask Tony if you haven't found anyone to buy yet.

Friday. I have great seats, 6th row center. I paid like $75 a ticket (stubhub), but for Tony he could have it for $60 if he's able.

Edit: Or if they put down seats in front it's like 9th row, either way, fucking sweet stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2013, 11:00:50 AM
With regards to Standing VS Seated - two words: Elevated Seats. Get some pneumatic seats in there! You can raise your seat up so  you can see at eye-level with those standing around you! PROBLEM SOLVED :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
Looks like Marco Minnemann will be doing the U.S. tour now!

Since many of you asked: ....YES...I now will be doing the STEVEN WILSON USA/Canada shows starting from Philadelphia on.
And just to clarify: The JOE SATRIANI and ARISTOCRATS tours will also happen as planned.
Thanks and see you soon,
--MM
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 17, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
Pretty cool, sucks I missed him. Chad Warwick (I believe that's his last name) did a great job drumming last night tho.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 17, 2013, 11:21:48 AM
 :omg:

G................
GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKSHITWATITCUNTWHORE >:( >:( >:(


I might just ninjakill someone walking in the door and take their ticket to get to a show now. Yeah i'm just gonna do that.
 :millahhhh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 17, 2013, 11:30:04 AM
SWEEEET! Looking forward to seeing Marco play.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 17, 2013, 11:33:01 AM
I think he overplays a tad live (which I noticed on the Get All You Deserve Blu-Ray), but he is still a beast of a player, so I am happy he will be there for the Chicago show in 2+ weeks. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 17, 2013, 11:37:12 AM
:woot:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 17, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
I'm interested in that transparent sheet. I really didn't like how it looked on the Get All That You Deserve video, but I expect it to be completely different live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 17, 2013, 12:22:28 PM
Well I saw him yesterday and there wasn't a transparent sheet, it was behind the band, I'll post some pictures in a second.

EDIT: Blah imgur isn't working, I'll upload the pics a bit later.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 17, 2013, 12:28:16 PM
Looks like Marco Minnemann will be doing the U.S. tour now!

Since many of you asked: ....YES...I now will be doing the STEVEN WILSON USA/Canada shows starting from Philadelphia on.
And just to clarify: The JOE SATRIANI and ARISTOCRATS tours will also happen as planned.
Thanks and see you soon,
--MM

SWEEEEEETTT!!!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 17, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
Looks like Marco Minnemann will be doing the U.S. tour now!

Since many of you asked: ....YES...I now will be doing the STEVEN WILSON USA/Canada shows starting from Philadelphia on.
And just to clarify: The JOE SATRIANI and ARISTOCRATS tours will also happen as planned.
Thanks and see you soon,
--MM
Seeing him in the Watchmaker video - very happy with Mike Mangini, think he's a much better fit for Dream Theater, both technique-wise and personality-wise, but I find it hard to watch Marco Minnemann without getting a sense of that moment in a quiz show, when they say, "Here's what you could have won!"

I do think Mike Mangini's absolutely perfect for DT, and Marco Minnemann absolutely isn't, but he's completely ingrained as "The other potential drummer." Very cool, in a completely different way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 17, 2013, 02:23:02 PM
Pics!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/1phSFN0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5nToykH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IpPegcK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GKFKXRQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GyEV8Kf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QASbsiE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MiBsyDw.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 17, 2013, 03:34:41 PM
We were on opposite sides of the venue
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 18, 2013, 06:47:41 AM
Yea I got there fairly late so I didn't have time to look for you. It was a great show, like I said earlier I've never seen State Theatre packed like that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on April 18, 2013, 10:18:38 AM
Awesome, can't wait. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2013, 11:25:28 AM
Awesome, can't wait. :caffeine:

RJ, I didn't know you were going?  When's your date?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 18, 2013, 11:40:06 AM
From SW's Facebook:
Quote
A message to US / Canadian fans coming along to one of the forthcoming SW band shows; please be aware that due to a very important family matter, and having done a fantastic job with us at the first 2 shows in Tampa and Atlanta, new drummer Chad Wackerman has had to leave the tour to fly home to California. Fortunately, Marco is able to rejoin us for these shows, starting with Philly tomorrow, following which Chad will be rejoin the band in South America next month. Sorry for the confusion!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on April 18, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
Awesome, can't wait. :caffeine:

RJ, I didn't know you were going?  When's your date?

May 9th
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mindflux on April 18, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
https://www.progrockmag.com/news/porcupine-tree-on-hold-steven-wilson-confirms/
oh what the hell
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 18, 2013, 01:45:45 PM
I don't see how that is any news since he has been talking about it for a few years now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mindflux on April 18, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
talk and do are two separate things
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 18, 2013, 01:49:33 PM
He's been talking about his solo career being his focus and doing it for the last few years...

The news is that he said a time frame like 5 maybe 10 years, ouch.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2013, 02:21:45 PM
I don't see the issue.  If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan, so him making new music is a good thing no matter what banner he releases it under, no?  I am not saying you have to automatically like everything he does, but while I am a HUGE PT fan, I am a bigger SW fan. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on April 18, 2013, 02:52:33 PM
If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan

Not necessarily.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 18, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
At least this will shut the people up who haven't gotten the hint yet...


Well no... No that's just insane to hope for...

Sad that we have to wait for more PT but we got a confirmation of basically 'I don't know quit asking' and 'it's definitely not a break up'. So there we go. Done and done.... Right?

More Wilson! I don't care what band it is, I just want more Wilson. Moore Wilson. OHICAME.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 18, 2013, 03:21:42 PM
I don't see the issue.  If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan, so him making new music is a good thing no matter what banner he releases it under, no?  I am not saying you have to automatically like everything he does, but while I am a HUGE PT fan, I am a bigger SW fan. 

Not true at all, I don't enjoy his other work half as much as PT. Raven is an exception. Blackfield and No-Man are largely forgettable. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 18, 2013, 03:27:41 PM
My mom loves PT but I doubt she'd like SW's solo stuff. Besides maybe Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 18, 2013, 04:03:56 PM
I don't see the issue.  If you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan
Not at all! I'm a huge fan of Steven Wilson the Porcupine Tree head honcho, but Steven Wilson the solo artist is way, way too self-indulgent for my liking.

Insurgentes is a 7/10 album. The pre-release songs alone put me off buying Grace for Drowning - Remainder the Black Dog is not my thing at all, and Index was good, not great. Of the tracks I've heard from The Raven, I love the title track to bits, and think The Watchmaker was entertaining once but basically a bit formless and indulgent. Luminol, not much better.

If that's what he's doing right now - fine by me! He's an artist, he's got to do what's right for him, if he's not in the PT headspace, disappointing, but so be it. But the difference between PT and SW is night-and-day. Porcupine Tree albums, I buy on release day. Steven Wilson, I... very much don't!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
My point is that since PT is such a Wilson-driven project, if you are a big fan, you almost have to be a big fan of his, too (meaning, of him, the musician).  That doesn't mean you will be a big fan of every album he does or every project, but that you are generally a fan of his.  Saying otherwise would be like saying, "I love King Crimson, but don't really like Robert Fripp that much." 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 18, 2013, 05:11:28 PM
Steven Wilson the solo artist is way, way too self-indulgent for my liking.
To be honest, I don't really see why this is a bad thing. They're solo albums; aren't they supposed to be self-indulgent? I'd rather have him make his solo albums exactly as he wants rather than considering what other people (i.e. the fans, record labels, etc) want him to make.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on April 18, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
I think I like his solo work more than PT, not quite sure. Either way his music is always amazing and it was quite simply radular to see him live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 18, 2013, 07:54:01 PM
My point is that since PT is such a Wilson-driven project, if you are a big fan, you almost have to be a big fan of his, too (meaning, of him, the musician).  That doesn't mean you will be a big fan of every album he does or every project, but that you are generally a fan of his.  Saying otherwise would be like saying, "I love King Crimson, but don't really like Robert Fripp that much." 

Looks sound on paper, but it doesn't work like that at all. Porcupine Tree's more than just a reedy voice and big, dolorous guitar chords. It's the sensibility - the craftsmanship, the shape, the choruses. Vastly different filter.

His vision for Porcupine Tree, almost prog-pop, loved it, and he was the right man to helm it. Just because I like the font doesn't mean I'll always approve of the message; just because I like the voice doesn't mean I'll always follow its directions. I don't just like Porcupine Tree because it sounds like Steven Wilson. It does, unmistakably, but an aesthetic alone doesn't make an album.

Steven Wilson the solo artist is way, way too self-indulgent for my liking.
To be honest, I don't really see why this is a bad thing. They're solo albums; aren't they supposed to be self-indulgent? I'd rather have him make his solo albums exactly as he wants rather than considering what other people (i.e. the fans, record labels, etc) want him to make.
Or, to put it another way...

"If that's what he's doing right now - fine by me! He's an artist, he's got to do what's right for him, if he's not in the PT headspace [...] so be it."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2013, 09:57:59 PM
That could be, but these solo albums could have easily been PT albums with a little tweaking (a lot less jazz, since Richard Barbieri hates it) and no one would have batted an eyelash since PT is ever-changing anyway, based on...wait for it...Steven Wilson's tendencies at the moment! ;)   

Also, to me, his current material is no more self-indulgent than the mid 90s PT material; he simply has better musicians now playing his music (which is no knock on Barbieri, Maitland and Edwin, all of whom were great back then), so he is able to push the envelope a little bit more with the playing. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 04:17:34 AM
Tonight!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 05:08:07 AM
Is there an opening act? I know it says the show starts at 8, but I might be a bit later than that coming from work.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 19, 2013, 05:35:16 AM
That could be, but these solo albums could have easily been PT albums with a little tweaking (a lot less jazz, since Richard Barbieri hates it) and no one would have batted an eyelash since PT is ever-changing anyway, based on...wait for it...Steven Wilson's tendencies at the moment! ;)   
I don't know that this is at all true! He wouldn't have bothered releasing Insurgentes under a separate moniker if that were the case. The choice was made specifically because he didn't think the album was Porcupine Tree music. PT, through its many permutations, has got an identity, a discipline. Solo work is Steven Wilson's opportunity to work outside of that label, and away from the restrictions it imposes.

Wouldn't complain, but this is pretty much Steven Wilson 101! First interview I found...

"For the first time, I could stand up and say, 'You know what, this is me. You've seen aspects of me in Porcupine Tree and Storm Corrosion, but for the first time, this is exactly what I am about when left to my own devices.'"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 19, 2013, 06:14:51 AM
Is there an opening act? I know it says the show starts at 8, but I might be a bit later than that coming from work.

No opening act, he plays for around 2 hours and 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2013, 08:28:24 AM
That could be, but these solo albums could have easily been PT albums with a little tweaking (a lot less jazz, since Richard Barbieri hates it) and no one would have batted an eyelash since PT is ever-changing anyway, based on...wait for it...Steven Wilson's tendencies at the moment! ;)   
I don't know that this is at all true! He wouldn't have bothered releasing Insurgentes under a separate moniker if that were the case. The choice was made specifically because he didn't think the album was Porcupine Tree music. PT, through its many permutations, has got an identity, a discipline. Solo work is Steven Wilson's opportunity to work outside of that label, and away from the restrictions it imposes.

Wouldn't complain, but this is pretty much Steven Wilson 101! First interview I found...

"For the first time, I could stand up and say, 'You know what, this is me. You've seen aspects of me in Porcupine Tree and Storm Corrosion, but for the first time, this is exactly what I am about when left to my own devices.'"

I think he is having a bit of revisionist history there, considering the earliest PT stuff was him left to his own devices; PT didn't become a real band with other members until several years later.

However, I know he has spoken in recent years about the supposed restrictions PT's sound now has, which is unfortunate, cause he used to have that "I will do what I want, and anyone who doesn't like it, doesn't have to listen" attitude, but I guess now he figures that PT has reached so much of an audience that he doesn't want to get too crazy with the changes in sound, and would rather explore his different sounds and styles under different monikers, such as his current solo one. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 19, 2013, 08:42:52 AM
That's a fair evaluation. I don't know that it's necessarily revisionist, so much as that the band quite organically grew an identity that it's had for a few years now. For what it's worth, though, there's a lot of On the Sunday of Life, Up the Downstair and The Sky Moves Sideways where I do think, "This is nice, but it could do with an editor."

Tell you what it's like, it's like the assertion that Dream Theater needs an outside producer! I don't think they need one, not by a long shot, but I get the mindset, and I would be interested in hearing what a DT album with a trusted outside ear would sound like.

Likewise, Steven Wilson's a great musician, great writer, produces a lot of gems... but I love the more honed, focused, laser-guided approach he takes when he writes for Porcupine Tree the band (rather than Porcupine Tree the pseudonym,) and while his solo stuff's certainly more mature than On the Sunday of Life, I think they're patchy in a lot of the same ways. And, indeed, occasionally great in the same ways.

I think it's fair to have favourites, fair to say the projects are very distinct, even if they weren't always. It's SW's prerogative, and he should never feel compelled to write Porcupine Tree... but I don't think there's much truth to the assertion that if you are a big PT fan, then you almost have to be a huge Steven Wilson fan. I very much am, and I'm very much not! Disappointment in PT's hiatus, I think, is justifiable.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 08:49:49 AM
I really believe SW when he says that he's thinking more and more about his legacy lately. He likes being the director and obvious captain, I think, and wants to start working on releasing his music under his name. Like you've got Neil Young and Crazy Horse, Springstreen and the E-Street Band, Dylan and the Band, Zappa and the Mothers, etc... now there's Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree. I suspect Steven Wilson continues to work exclusively on his solo career for the next five or ten years. In the meantime, I hope Porcupine Tree continue to make music, with or without him. In a decade, I fully expect to see the touring bill "Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 19, 2013, 08:58:19 AM
I hope Porcupine Tree continue to make music, with or without him.
That's... an interesting prospect.

So much of Porcupine Tree is characterised by Steven Wilson's own personal style, aesthetic and discipline, but... they're very good musicians, all four of them - and, look! John Wesley! They've got a substitute Wilson right there.

I don't know that it'd be entirely recognisable as Porcupine Tree, in a band that grew around the frontman, but it's a very interesting idea. I love the notion of "Steven Wilson with Porcupine Tree" - PT as the band, SW as the artist. My imagination's going wild, here!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 09:00:39 AM
Maybe, maybe not. The Band aren't much like Bob Dylan, but when they ditched him (or, he ditched them?) they became their own thing and had a nice career catering to a niche, but committed, audience. I don't see why PT couldn't do the same, though I'm not sure what kind of voices the other guys have.

What if Aviv Geffen joined PT?

Now I'm  just taking speculation off the rails  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2013, 09:04:20 AM
No way is John Wesley a substitute Wilson.  No way, no freaking how.

I get what you are saying, rob, but while that early PT stuff could have used an editor, keep in mind that that was his earliest written work.  He has become a much better and focused songwriter.  Even the longer songs he writes tend to be really focused and not all over the place like some of those early pieces, the exception being Raider II, which is supposed to have that loose jam/jazz feel.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 19, 2013, 09:24:32 AM
Maybe, maybe not. The Band aren't much like Bob Dylan, but when they ditched him (or, he ditched them?) they became their own thing and had a nice career catering to a niche, but committed, audience. I don't see why PT couldn't do the same, though I'm not sure what kind of voices the other guys have.

What if Aviv Geffen joined PT?

Now I'm  just taking speculation off the rails  ;D
If Colin Edwin, Richard Barbieri, John Wesley and Gavin Harrison wanted to keep writing music together in the meantime, Porcupine Tree would be a logical name to release it under. It seems like an amicable parting - a hiatus, not a split - and I'd hope Steven Wilson would hold them in enough esteem that he'd give his blessing.

Pure fantasy at the moment, but hey, the idea's out there now! I'm biting, I'm interested. I'd love to hear what they'd come up with.



No way is John Wesley a substitute Wilson.  No way, no freaking how.

I get what you are saying, rob, but while that early PT stuff could have used an editor, keep in mind that that was his earliest written work.  He has become a much better and focused songwriter.  Even the longer songs he writes tend to be really focused and not all over the place like some of those early pieces, the exception being Raider II, which is supposed to have that loose jam/jazz feel.
I heard The Watchmaker for the first time the other day - ready and eager to enjoy it, since I really loved the title track - and though it started nicely, and it was full of cool ideas, all I could think was, "This is indulgent, this is formless, this would really, really benefit from an editor." I'm not expecting everyone to share the opinion, I love that he's experimenting, music's an expression and absolutely shouldn't be forced into one of X number of pre-approved shapes, but it's very definitely not my bag. I don't know the song as well as you, I'm hearing it with fresh ears, so it's possible and even outright likely that I'm missing a lot of the form, shape and discipline. But, equally... I don't know the song as well as you, I'm hearing it with fresh ears!

That said, I'm not here to joust opinions. You think it's brilliant - brilliant! You're enjoying a piece of music more than me, you've already won in all the best ways. All I've been doing is saying, "Look, here are reasons PT's hiatus might not be brilliantly welcomed by everyone." It's the difference between The Watchmaker and Arriving Somewhere But Not Here. Both long songs, both SW. To my ears, Arriving Somewhere is coherent, well-written, all-round fantastic, and The Watchmaker is pretty much the opposite. One embodies my favourite things about SW's writing, the other is a handy repository for a lot of my reservations about his style - the slightly vulgar excesses. Not trying to convince you that The Watchmaker's crap, just that there's more to this discussion than "Porcupine Tree's great, Porcupine Tree's written by Steven Wilson, therefore a fan of Porcupine Tree must be a fan of Steven Wilson music in general." Which... if it really was as simple as you said, I'm not sure how we'd have got into this discussion in the first place!

JW - "substitute" in the sense that the band's still got a full complement - they wouldn't need to recruit another member to keep playing. Not in the sense that he could do exactly the same things in the same way as Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on April 19, 2013, 10:29:56 AM
That's... an interesting prospect.

So much of Porcupine Tree is characterised by Steven Wilson's own personal style, aesthetic and discipline, but... they're very good musicians, all four of them - and, look! John Wesley! They've got a substitute Wilson right there.
I would be very skeptical towards an idea like that, but I would still give it a chance.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on April 19, 2013, 10:38:42 AM
It'd be really hard and weird for me to imagine PT without Steven, but if the other guys teamed up with Wes and started to make music under the PT moniker, I'd be intrigued to hear the result.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 10:43:28 AM
The greater tragedy than PT going off and doing something on their own without Wilson (whether it sounds like old PT or not) would be those talented guys just sitting around rotting while waiting for Wilson to turn his gaze back to them. They're a group of musicians that already have a great track record and undeniable chemistry together. If Wilson's really serious about focusing on his solo career for the next 5 or 10 years, I'm not sure how he could expect the rest of the band to just sit tight.

A PT that exists with or without Wilson, but always reverent of him and always ready for his return, is what I'd like to see. I wonder if we'll get it. I'd like to see what some of the other guys in PT would have to say about PT's future.



Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2013, 10:45:52 AM
I would have zero interest in any band fronted by John Wesley.  His soloing every time he is given a PT one to do live is usually pretty wretched, and I am not a fan of his voice as a lead vocalist.  Not trying to sound harsh, but while his value to PT as a second guitarist and background singer is key live, that is where he needs to stay.  To quote Sil from the Sopranos, "Some guys are better at being numbers 2s than number 1s."

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 10:49:26 AM
Why would PT need a new frontman? I'd be happy enough to hear Wesley and the guys continuing to make music together, maybe taking turns on the mic like Transatlantic do. I can't imagine it'd be that awful. Wilson's voice isn't even really that strong anyway, even if he's gotten way better at his delivery in recent years.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2013, 10:54:41 AM
Eh, there is no indication that any of the other guys in PT can sing lead, and besides, with Transatlantic, it only works because Neal and Roine do almost all of the lead vocals, so when the other two do the occasional lead, it comes off more as a "here, let's let him sing for a minute" moment, as opposed to them being legitimate lead singers. 

Also, not that Wilson is that animated live with PT, but considering how stoic everyone else is live, watching them play live with just the four (minus Wilson) would be a major snoozefest. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Jaq on April 19, 2013, 11:18:25 AM
I actually am wholly in the group that can say I like Porcupine Tree and (with the exception of Raven) don't really like the rest of Wilson's work. And actually, given what I know about Robert Fripp's work and all of the various Projekts he's done using assorted members of KC, I can also safely say that it IS possible to like King Crimson and not Robert Fripp's work.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 19, 2013, 11:32:33 AM
I like John Wesley as the backup singer, but honestly I wouldn't be interested in a PT without SW fronted by John. And honestly, I love all the other three guys, but SW has always been the emotional core of PT for me. The other are all amazing and without them PT would be a worse band, but we're talking about a band where SW has come up with maybe 80-90% of the ideas. Sure, the other guys have had their input which is valuable, but if you drop the main songwriter, it's going to show in the music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on April 19, 2013, 11:36:04 AM
For me, there is no PT without Wilson. He is the core of the band and has been since the beginning, I think he deserves to say 'put it on hold' or 'let's continue'. That said, their recent work has been so much less enjoyable than what Wilson is creating now that I don't mind them being on hold for a while. The fact everyone is already talking about replacements and such seems ridiculous to me... but it's expected. It's been like...46 hours since it was confirmed they were on hold. Not even done, just on hold. It's not like this is the only thing the other members have. Whatevs. I'm looking forward to the future of the members and their own work for now; and when PT inevitably returns, I'll welcome that too as long as the incident is far behind them. ... What would that be, a pun? If I use 'the incident' to refer to The Incident? Pun...right? I'm so tired. It's sleepasoprhaiffffffffffffffffffffffff
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 19, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
I would love the rest of the band to carry on under a different name, but unless he leaves the band there is simply no Porcupine Tree without Steven Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 19, 2013, 11:51:34 AM
I'd be interested in seeing what PT fans are saying about this, but apparently PT's forums are gone?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 19, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
I'd be interested in seeing what PT fans are saying about this, but apparently PT's forums are gone?
Huh - you're right!

Porcupine Tree Forum 1.0 Archive - Index (https://archive.porcupinetreeforum.com/)
archive.porcupinetreeforum.com/
Archive of the PTF (Porcupine Tree Forum) 1.0. Closed on Feb 19, 2012 and replaced by PTF 2.0. This forum is a read-only archive for reference only.


Shows how long it's been since I last went there. Never knew! PTF 2.0 didn't come up when I just searched porcupinetreeforum. Must be somewhere.

ETA: https://starsdie.com/wp/the-new-starsdie-com-community-forums/ I think this might be it.

ETA2: Also down! (https://starsdie.com/wp/forums/)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
I balied on the PT forum a long time ago.  The font was ugly as sin and the conversations were never that good; it seemed far too cliquey.

I actually am wholly in the group that can say I like Porcupine Tree and (with the exception of Raven) don't really like the rest of Wilson's work. And actually, given what I know about Robert Fripp's work and all of the various Projekts he's done using assorted members of KC, I can also safely say that it IS possible to like King Crimson and not Robert Fripp's work.  :lol

 :facepalm: :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 19, 2013, 12:06:10 PM
PT being on indefinite hiatus doesn't phase me at all. I find it silly to get all upset because your favorite band is on hold, it makes it seem like its all that matters to you (not directed at anyone here). Richard has his project with Hogarth, and the others can do other musical aspects if they please. It's great they have gotten this far as a project by Wilson. As, Wilson has stated in that interview, It's his thing and the others know that. Just like us, they are along for the ride and have no idea how long it'll last.

I love how music can touch you in such a personal way that you forget its not all their is to life.


Anyways, I am really liking The Pin Drop.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 19, 2013, 12:08:52 PM
I'd be interested in seeing what PT fans are saying about this, but apparently PT's forums are gone?

https://porcupinetreeforum.com/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on April 20, 2013, 03:07:00 AM
So, I've been listening to TRTRTSAOWS much lately, while I hadn't listened to any other Steven Wilson album before. I absolutely love it! I want to dig deeper into his solo stuff. Which should I listen to first, Insurgentes or Grace for Drowning?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 20, 2013, 05:59:20 AM
If you like Raven, I would say Grace For Drowning since it's also very 70's Prog-sounding, and IMO a better album. Insurgentes is awesome, but less 70's prog and more influenced by other genres. A bit more experimental.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 20, 2013, 07:05:27 AM
Show last night was great. It was my first time ever seeing Wilson live in any form, and I was really impressed with how warm his personality shines from stage. He seemed to be totally in his element up there with the "new" band.

"Deform to Form a Star" and "The Pin Drop" were highlights for me, which was odd because neither studio version are on their respective albums. But man those songs just came alive.

Overall, the performance was lush. That's the only way I can describe. At times I felt I was gonna be overwhelmed with the lushness and beauty of it all.

Other noteworthy thing was that Mike Portnoy was also at the show and I met him. He was sitting with a staff guy kinda blocking him off from others so I didn't want to bother him, but I went up with my girlfriend to say "hi" and give him a handshake. We just told him we were big fans, and to have a good night. He said he liked my fiance's Pain of Salvation shirt.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 20, 2013, 08:47:49 AM
So, I've been listening to TRTRTSAOWS much lately, while I hadn't listened to any other Steven Wilson album before. I absolutely love it! I want to dig deeper into his solo stuff. Which should I listen to first, Insurgentes or Grace for Drowning?

Grace for Downing.  Like Zantera said, it is more similar to The Raven... than Insurgentes is, so it will be an easy transition to go backwards.  But you will want Insurgentes eventually, too! :)

Show last night was great. It was my first time ever seeing Wilson live in any form, and I was really impressed with how warm his personality shines from stage. He seemed to be totally in his element up there with the "new" band.

"Deform to Form a Star" and "The Pin Drop" were highlights for me, which was odd because neither studio version are on their respective albums. But man those songs just came alive.

Overall, the performance was lush. That's the only way I can describe. At times I felt I was gonna be overwhelmed with the lushness and beauty of it all.

Other noteworthy thing was that Mike Portnoy was also at the show and I met him. He was sitting with a staff guy kinda blocking him off from others so I didn't want to bother him, but I went up with my girlfriend to say "hi" and give him a handshake. We just told him we were big fans, and to have a good night. He said he liked my fiance's Pain of Salvation shirt.

And yet you did anyway...;) :biggrin:

But seriously, glad the show was great.  I am really looking forward to the Chicago show in 13 days. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 20, 2013, 02:13:11 PM
Really bummed I had to pull out of going to see SW last night, but I might try and swing it so I can go to NYC on Friday. Would really hate to miss this tour completely.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 20, 2013, 02:35:33 PM
Try to catch it if you can Nick, it really is a good show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 20, 2013, 02:48:30 PM
I likely will, just extra bummed that I had 9th row center seats for him in Philly, that I payed $75 each for, and while in NYC I can get tickets for about $30 each it's GA and I'd be getting there right before the show starts. So now I'll have to stand in the back as opposed to be sitting up front. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on April 20, 2013, 06:34:38 PM
I likely will, just extra bummed that I had 9th row center seats for him in Philly, that I payed $75 each for, and while in NYC I can get tickets for about $30 each it's GA and I'd be getting there right before the show starts. So now I'll have to stand in the back as opposed to be sitting up front. :(

Let me know if you'll be at the NYC show....I'm flying solo for it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 20, 2013, 10:33:07 PM
I likely will, just extra bummed that I had 9th row center seats for him in Philly, that I payed $75 each for, and while in NYC I can get tickets for about $30 each it's GA and I'd be getting there right before the show starts. So now I'll have to stand in the back as opposed to be sitting up front. :(

Jesus $75 is a lot. I paid $37 fees included. It was the most expensive show I've ever been to at that venue, usually shows go for ~$20 there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on April 23, 2013, 08:32:34 AM
First up, the "shameless plug" bit.

The Steven Wilson Survivor will be starting over on Polls/Survivors next Wednesday (May 1st), if anyone from this thread would like to take part.

Now, the question.

I've found a bunch of songs from an album titled "Tape Experiments, 1985-86", and I'm wondering whether enough people on here have heard these rare songs to warrant including them in the survivor.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on April 23, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
I'll be going to the show this Friday in NYC. Very excited :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on April 23, 2013, 12:46:02 PM
I just bought a ticket for his show in Buenos Aires  :D

Do you guys know where I can find who'll be joining the south american tour? Marco's page doesn't have it in his schedule  :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 23, 2013, 03:32:55 PM
First up, the "shameless plug" bit.

The Steven Wilson Survivor will be starting over on Polls/Survivors next Wednesday (May 1st), if anyone from this thread would like to take part.

Now, the question.

I've found a bunch of songs from an album titled "Tape Experiments, 1985-86", and I'm wondering whether enough people on here have heard these rare songs to warrant including them in the survivor.

I've never those songs. . . .
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on April 23, 2013, 04:48:30 PM
A couple days late, but I'm just checking in to say that I caught Steven Wilson in DC this past weekend. PC said it well a few posts back; it really was beautiful. From start to finish, there was not a single moment that felt empty in any way whatsoever. It was my first times seeing him, and was actually a bit surprised at how great Steven's stage personality was, along with his refreshing sense of humor, and the infectious amount of emotion. While he may claim the music is not coming from a place of joy, it certainly did bring me joy. I tend to think that the whole band deserves more acknowledgement as well in general, and they really proved it for this one. Especially impressive was Guthrie, and Marco Minnemann was a complete monster all night. All in all, the atmosphere was incredible, the music immensely impressive, and the setlist nearly as good as I could imagine. My only [very minor] complaints would be the unenthusiastic crowd (but I suppose that's what I ought to have expected from a bunch of American SW fans), and not getting to see Radioactive Toy live for the encore (as seemed to be the case for a while before this show). Highlights would be The Watchmaker, Index, and Insurgentes/Harmony Korine.

REALLY terrific show! well worth the cost and the trip up to DC for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 24, 2013, 04:45:23 PM
Anybody going to the show in Boston on Saturday?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
The wife and I are.  We are going to Sunset for a few (Well she can't because of medication).  We just have my bro in laws 50th part at 2 pm to go to, so I don't know exactly what time we'll be in Boston/Allston.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 25, 2013, 01:46:55 AM
New tour dates!

https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/tour-dates/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on April 25, 2013, 02:29:16 AM
Woke up to the great news of SW coming to my city in November, 3 days before I see Sigur Rós. That will be one epic week.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on April 25, 2013, 02:32:30 AM
I would love to go to the Gothenburg show. I don't know how I would get there though. Hopefully I will find a way.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on April 25, 2013, 03:38:34 AM
Good to see more European dates, although I'm still waiting for something closer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on April 25, 2013, 04:27:44 AM
Looks like he's coming to Helsinki 3 days after my birthday... I have to consider going!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 27, 2013, 12:56:32 AM
The show tonight was excellent! I can't recommend it enough! If anyone's interested, I wrote a somewhat detailed review of the show. It's not a good review, as it's almost 3 AM and I'm tired as hell, but I wanted to jot down some my thoughts right after seeing the show.
https://www.last.fm/user/jviola95/journal/2013/04/27/5t6qqb_steven_wilson_concert_review_-_72613
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2013, 03:54:26 AM
My turn tonight! 


What sucks is my wife can't go,  she may have kidney stones and is in pain so the docs want her to minimize her movement.  Good new is my cousin is going and he loves Steven's work and has never seen him of PT live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on April 27, 2013, 08:00:50 AM
Good write-up, CFYYZ.  Indeed, it was awesome, though I did want to punch those guys who thought they were comedians during quiet parts in the fucking throat.

I left the show pretty thoroughly convinced that the SW solo band is the spiritual heir to King Crimson.

Sorry we missed each other, OsMosis.

EDIT:  Apparently JR was there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 27, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
Anyone who is dumb enough to yell stuff out during the quiet parts of Raider II should never be allowed to go to another Steven Wilson concert again.  Ever. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: 73109 on April 27, 2013, 01:55:35 PM
What Blackfield album should I try to get into next? I really loved Welcome to My DNA.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on April 27, 2013, 02:23:01 PM
2.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 27, 2013, 03:40:38 PM
What's the opening act, and how long is their set? I got back from outdoor rock climbing just now and wouldn't mind some rest before I go out again.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on April 27, 2013, 03:55:41 PM
Good write-up, CFYYZ.  Indeed, it was awesome, though I did want to punch those guys who thought they were comedians during quiet parts in the fucking throat.

I left the show pretty thoroughly convinced that the SW solo band is the spiritual heir to King Crimson.

Sorry we missed each other, OsMosis.

EDIT:  Apparently JR was there.

Next time hopefully my friend! It was a fantastic show.
Yeah some of the audience was rude during the quiet parts...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 27, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
What's the opening act, and how long is their set? I got back from outdoor rock climbing just now and wouldn't mind some rest before I go out again.
No opening act.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on April 27, 2013, 06:01:40 PM
Guys, I found out that SW wanted to do a signing at a local record store, but he wouldn't perform or do it later than noon on a Monday so they told him to fuhgeddaboutit  :'( >:(

But still, he's finally coming to fucking Colorado! I assume I'm the only one from here who will be there on the 6th, right?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 27, 2013, 08:35:14 PM
Just got out of the show (left shortly before the end of the encore to buy a shirt). Aweeeesome show. SW also ragged on the heckler at yesterday's show :lol

I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on April 27, 2013, 08:58:31 PM
 
SW also ragged on the heckler at yesterday's show :lol
:lol :lol

I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.
I totally agree. Maybe I'm losing interest in DT, but I can't picture their new album being nearly as good as The Raven. And I could imagine him being held back in DT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on April 27, 2013, 09:23:35 PM
I had the exact same thought regarding Marco during last night's show...him in DT just wouldn't have made sense.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 27, 2013, 10:19:46 PM
As Rumbo said, what a great show.  All the songs off of Raven sounded incredible.  Steven was his, sarcastic, funny and charming self.  Every member in his band shined, and yes, he did make fun of that guy who shouted out during Raider II.  Damn guy gave New Hampshire folks like me a bad name. :lol

Steven said,  "I don't care if you are from New Hampshire." :lol

Also seeing it from the second row was amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2013, 07:29:40 AM
Did he give you radioactive toy?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2013, 07:53:43 AM
No, the encore was a medley of Luminol (The Shaggs style) which was them goofing for a few minutes which was hilarious and Remainder The Black Dog / No Twilight Within The Courts Of The Sun medley.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2013, 07:59:31 AM
Sounds awesome, the show I'm going to is GA, I may have to get there extra early and top your second row. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2013, 08:11:30 AM
I was actually happy it wasn't GA, I showed up very last minute and got my seat (with the seat left of me empty, loved it).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2013, 08:12:45 AM
Rumbo,  the mix sounded great even close up.  Were you further back and what was you impression of the mix?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2013, 08:27:05 AM
I was very high up actually, second balcony (also known as Hell's Fire, because Berklee apparently doesn't have air conditioning).
Mix was great overall. Guthrie was a bit too loud occasionally.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on April 28, 2013, 08:34:02 AM
There might be some interesting quirks going on in the live mix from venue to venue, then...there were points where I could see GG doing some crazy stuff, but it was inaudible (I think No Part of Me was where it stood out the most).  No problem on solos and other out-front parts, but where he wasn't so much of a feature, my ears couldn't hear anything that were corresponding to what his hands were doing.  I did notice he got a couple of weird looks on his face, and looked at SW and off-stage...he might have realized there was an issue.

The only things that were out of balance were occasionally the drums.  The snare was WAY too loud in Drive Home, and the toms were too high in Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 28, 2013, 09:03:42 AM
I know this makes me sound like a dick but... I am so excited to see Radioactive Toy... If he doesn't play it in LA I will be :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2013, 09:46:39 AM
I'm gonna have to embarrass myself here, I was blissfully unaware of the Raven album until I stepped into the venue yesterday :lol
Provided me with an experience though you don't get all too often these days, which is discovering new music at the concert. It took less than 20 minutes into the concert when I purchased the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 28, 2013, 10:51:53 AM
I'm gonna have to embarrass myself here, I was blissfully unaware of the Raven album until I stepped into the venue yesterday :lol
Provided me with an experience though you don't get all too often these days, which is discovering new music at the concert. It took less than 20 minutes into the concert when I purchased the album.


What a way to experience Raven, the song.

That song hit me hard when I first heard it. It's my all-time favorite song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 28, 2013, 10:58:42 AM
There might be some interesting quirks going on in the live mix from venue to venue, then...there were points where I could see GG doing some crazy stuff, but it was inaudible (I think No Part of Me was where it stood out the most).  No problem on solos and other out-front parts, but where he wasn't so much of a feature, my ears couldn't hear anything that were corresponding to what his hands were doing.  I did notice he got a couple of weird looks on his face, and looked at SW and off-stage...he might have realized there was an issue.

The only things that were out of balance were occasionally the drums.  The snare was WAY too loud in Drive Home, and the toms were too high in Insurgentes.

I had this experience at the St. Pete show, GG was doing some good stuff on guitar and there were often parts I couldn't hear him. Same goes for the bass, hell there was no bass at the start of the show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2013, 11:52:22 AM
I'm gonna have to embarrass myself here, I was blissfully unaware of the Raven album until I stepped into the venue yesterday :lol
Provided me with an experience though you don't get all too often these days, which is discovering new music at the concert. It took less than 20 minutes into the concert when I purchased the album.

I miss the days of seeing a band before the album came out.  Such a unique way to hear it. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2013, 11:56:20 AM
Hmmm, so if he keeps rotating the Remainder the Black Dog/No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun medley with Radioactive Toy, that means we should get the former on Chicago on Friday, which is what I am hoping for.  I like Radioactive Toy, but I wanna see those two songs, even if they are just a medley.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 28, 2013, 01:12:20 PM
i can't seem to find a video on YouTube yet, so can someone explain how the medley actually works? when does "Remainder" switch over?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2013, 01:18:02 PM
It's when they slow part comes 2/3rd into the song section with the bass grove and they go right into they mellow section before Wilson and the band rips into the Rocking section of No Twilight.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2013, 02:22:14 PM
The clip of that idiot making SW goof up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iovJnByywM8

Also, he confirms that Raider II is about the BTK serial killer, Dennis Rader.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
Thing  is, despite the whole leadup by SW about the previous night's heckler, one guy in the Boston audience couldn't resist yelling something either during Raider II. And even more sad, several people audibly chuckled, giving the guy the acknowledgment he was trying to get.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2013, 02:30:01 PM
What's funny is, in that clip, how quiet it was the second time around, as if everyone in the crowd was scared that Wilson would use his super powers to smite them. ;) :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 28, 2013, 02:42:40 PM
"These silences are not meant for audience participation."    :lol

What kind of idiot goes to a concert just shout through it, anyway?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
To be honest, the characters you see at concerts, I'm not particularly surprised. This will have been one of those guys who thinks he is so funny, but only because he surrounds himself with the same type of idiots that he is.

Before the show started I wanted to look at the merchandise. There was a guy who reeked so vile (probably because he had been wearing the same clothes for weeks without a shower) I had to return after the show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sigz on April 28, 2013, 03:06:19 PM
When Jackie and I saw SW on his first tour in Chicago, there was a dude right by us who apparently was the guy who yelled 'freebird' on the Arriving Somewhere DVD. The entire show he was yelling stuff, including 'Freebird' at one point. It was so fucking annoying.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
Your there paying money to see their show.  We as fans are not part of the act.  Sure I clapped and yelled after the songs for applause but nothing else.  I hate when people inject themself into something they shouldn't.  It's like that as well at comedy shows.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 28, 2013, 06:23:37 PM
Your there paying money to see their show.  We as fans are not part of the act.  Sure I clapped and yelled after the songs for applause but nothing else.  I hate when people inject themself into something they shouldn't.  It's like that as well at comedy shows.

I don't mind comedy shows cause usually the comedian will burn their ass.

Its not cool at concerts, well certain styles...its ok at metal shows. Apparently SW is metal enough to gain those fans.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on April 28, 2013, 06:27:06 PM
Anyone know what the song is playing when you first enter the venue, setlist.fm says it's bass communion but I'm not really familiar with that project.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on April 28, 2013, 06:42:06 PM
Hmmm, so if he keeps rotating the Remainder the Black Dog/No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun medley with Radioactive Toy, that means we should get the former on Chicago on Friday, which is what I am hoping for.  I like Radioactive Toy, but I wanna see those two songs, even if they are just a medley.

Radioactive Toy was nearly the highlight for me when I saw the show, which is saying something, since I haven't heard the studio version more than once or twice. I've never been big on any version of No Twilight, though.

I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.

Same, although I felt like he overplayed a bit too. Macro was no-doubt the best drummer auditioned, but he also knows it, and is going to take the best gig available to him. Which gives me the feeling that even if DT did select him, he wouldn't have stuck around for long.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on April 28, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
Anyone know what the song is playing when you first enter the venue, setlist.fm says it's bass communion but I'm not really familiar with that project.

it's apparently a new track based on "Haze" (from Molotov and Haze). there's also a new BC track used for the "Watchmaker" intro thing.

pretty sure the Grace for Drowning tour used BC music from Cenotaph at the beginning and "Litany" at the end.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on April 28, 2013, 11:34:46 PM
Your there paying money to see their show.  We as fans are not part of the act.  Sure I clapped and yelled after the songs for applause but nothing else.  I hate when people inject themself into something they shouldn't.  It's like that as well at comedy shows.

I don't mind comedy shows cause usually the comedian will burn their ass.
e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRNCk3YwqE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 29, 2013, 05:39:42 AM
A musician has just as much power as a comedian to kick that person out, stop the show, or say what Wilson said.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on April 29, 2013, 05:44:03 AM
True, but it's also true that the comedian's generally better at it, because it's his or her job to be. Doing comedy in the clubs makes you robust - not every musician's going to be as well-equipped.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on April 29, 2013, 06:50:07 AM
I've seen some comedians not equiped to handle it as well! :lol  But the ones that do.....Ouch.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on April 29, 2013, 04:48:53 PM
Last night was a shitty venue but the show was amazinggg. It was actually weird seeing Steven Wilson live (first time). I have him on this pedestal of like godliness and to see him live was just unreal.

I was really upset that Steven Wilson and Micheal Akerfeldt didn't do anything :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: OsMosis2259 on April 30, 2013, 04:09:57 PM
Just got out of the show (left shortly before the end of the encore to buy a shirt). Aweeeesome show. SW also ragged on the heckler at yesterday's show :lol

I also have to say, man am I happy that Marco didn't take/get the DT gig. No offense to DT, but his talent would have been wasted. Phenomenal drumming tonight by him.

Interesting.
I personally think the drumming in DT is a lot more complex than SW.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on April 30, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Oh, I'm not talking complexity. In terms of complexity Mangini certainly wins. However, Marco's playing gives the songs space, which is what makes the album so great. In a setting like DT he would been forced to keep up with the Tour de Force of DT's music, I think that inevitably would have made him lose his subtlety. Mangini's playing was the best choice for DT, but I personally have actually moved away from that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Bill Carson on May 01, 2013, 03:21:38 AM
Funny you say that, I actually think that Marco overplays and that Mike fits into a song structure better.
Marco tends to make everything a drum solo...as good as he is sometimes i wish he would keep things simple and just groove.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 01, 2013, 07:03:38 AM
Funny you say that, I actually think that Marco overplays and that Mike fits into a song structure better.
Marco tends to make everything a drum solo...as good as he is sometimes i wish he would keep things simple and just groove.
Agreed 100 percent.

Though I saw Marco in Philly, on his first show back with SW. Rumby saw him a handful of dates later, so maybe he'd adapted back into a different playing mode by then.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on May 01, 2013, 08:52:40 AM
The Steven Wilson Survivor has just started over at Polls & Survivors.

Here's a link to Round 1 of Insurgentes (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36854.0) if anyone would like to pop over and vote. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on May 01, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
To start the encore in Pittsburgh last night, Steven returned to the stage and said, ‘We have something special for you tonight. Has anyone heard of The Shaggs?’

‘They were three sisters that started a band in the 1960s. You can get their album on eBay for $1500. And it’s worth it. We’re gonna play Luminol again, but in the style of The Shaggs. And once you hear it, you are going to be running home to buy this album.’

This ensued: https://youtu.be/wtk963d83zI :biggrin:

Everyone was quiet during Raider.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on May 01, 2013, 10:12:33 AM
Don't want to be a party pooper, but that "special" was done in Boston to.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on May 01, 2013, 10:16:55 AM
You've ruined my entire concert experience!

But really, the whole show was great. Especially since Marco was there and he wasn't in the original plans. The most depressing part is that I got to stand ten feet from SW the whole concert and there's no way I'll ever top that!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 01, 2013, 11:23:29 AM
Eek. I hope that wasn't replacing the real encore...?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: blackngold29 on May 01, 2013, 12:00:29 PM
Eek. I hope that wasn't replacing the real encore...?

Nah, they played 'Remainder the Black Dog' and 'No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun' after that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2013, 01:00:41 PM
Jackie informed me of a little surprise the day before the show.....
https://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/upcoming/detail-2584/ (https://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/upcoming/detail-2584/)


Um, fuck yeah....


Edit: Just talked to the record store, seems it's a first come, first serve gig. He will likely be playing a half hour set, then do a meet and greet. Oh, and it's free. Um, again, fuck yeah.....
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on May 01, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
He did a meet and greet here locally, sadly I wasn't able to make it :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on May 01, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
He did a meet and greet here locally, sadly I wasn't able to make it :(
same here :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 01, 2013, 06:49:24 PM
:caffeine:



10 days for me... I've been watching various youtubes vids.... I AM SO PSYCHED!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2013, 11:08:10 PM
Less than two days (technically tomorrow night since it is now Thursday here in the Midwest) till I see him as a solo artist for the first time. :hat :hat :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on May 02, 2013, 05:45:11 PM
been loving Insurgentes a lot recently. it's quite a good companion to In Absentia, especially in the production — songs "Harmony Korine" and "Significant Other" could easily have been included on IA without sounding particularly out of place!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 02, 2013, 06:08:13 PM
Just put Insurgentes on a few minutes ago and I agree with Harmony Korine

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 11:02:04 AM
Consider my mind absolutely blown after last night.   We were literally 10 feet from Steven Wilson the entire show (he was literally right in front of us, and we were right near the front of the stage).  Absolutely stunning show; one of the best I've ever seen. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

So much to remember and rave about it, but here is what comes to mind right now:

-The surround sound moments were absolutely jaw-dropping.  When those big chorus of vocals come in near the end of Postcard, the vocals were behind us.  I was literally like, "Woah."  As if that part of the song isn't amazing already, to have it presented like that live was out of this world.

-The Holy Drinker was a clear highlight (and there were so many).

-It is easy to see why Steven Wilson is sticking with the solo thing for now; he looks totally relaxed and happy up on stage.  He talked and joked way more with the crowd than he did either of the times I saw Porcupine Tree, so right now he is just in a really good place right now and there is no point in messing with that.

-Seeing pretty much all of Raider II (minus the 2-minute coda at the end) live was too good for words.  And the crowd kept their mouths shut (for the most part) during the intro. :biggrin:

-Showing The Raven video while they performed the song was a great idea.  As usual when that song climaxes, I had goosebumps on both arms.

-I swear, during the second chorus of Deform to Form a Star, Wilson and I made eye contact while we were both singing the, "Here on earth, together," line.  I could have been imaging it :lol, but I don't think so.

-I really can't say enough about what a great job everybody in his band did.  They were all spot-on all night.

Set list:

Luminol
Drive Home
The Pin Drop
Postcard
The Holy Drinker
Deform to Form a Star
Watchmaker Intro Video
The Watchmaker
Index
Sectarian
Insurgentes
Harmony Korine
Raider II
The Raven That Refused to Sing

Encore:
Radioactive Toy

 :coolio :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 04, 2013, 11:07:04 AM
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 11:10:55 AM
Haha, I am not even that tired today; the euphoria of the concert is sticking with me, I think.  A buddy and I drove up to Chicago yesterday from 10-4ish (traffic slowed us down as we neared the city), ate at a pizza joint downtown and then headed over to Park West in time to not be too far back in line to get in, grabbed us awesome spots up front as soon as we got inside, enjoyed the show like mad, and then drove back to St. Louis immediately afterwards.  I got back home around 4 a.m.  Slept till about 10.  I feel tired, but the awesomeness of that concert still lingering is keeping me from wanting to fall back asleep. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 04, 2013, 11:13:52 AM
I'm so lucky he isn't playing too far from me. That's the one thing love about living where I do. Any show in Los Angeles will ever be more than and hour and half away... unless Anehiem... which is more like 2.5 but so worth it!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on May 04, 2013, 12:36:10 PM
Damn, all this praise for Steven's shows makes me think I HAVE to go to the Helsinki gig in November! :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 01:43:29 PM
Honestly, if you are a fan, and a trip is doable, and you can afford it, this tour is a must-go for all SW fans.  Who knows who long this particular lineup will be together, and you won't want to miss it.  As awesome as the Get All You Deserve Blu-Ray is, seeing it live was a whole other level.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on May 04, 2013, 02:42:54 PM
Agreed Kev.  Every song off the new album sounding impeccable.  I could watch them play that album 3 times in a row live and I'd be happy.   Plus seeing Deform to Form a Star & Postcard was awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: orcus116 on May 04, 2013, 02:59:41 PM
I managed to catch Radioactive Toy a few years ago in Boston with PT but I'm assuming with this band it's being taken to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on May 04, 2013, 03:04:44 PM
I managed to catch Radioactive Toy a few years ago in Boston with PT but I'm assuming with this band it's being taken to a whole new level.

I assume that was the 2009 show at the House Of Blues orc?  Great show with King's X opening.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
Agreed Kev.  Every song off the new album sounding impeccable. I could watch them play that album 3 times in a row live and I'd be happy.   Plus seeing Deform to Form a Star & Postcard was awesome.

You and me both. 

And it looks like Sectarian and No Part of Me are being rotated  I was hoping to see the latter, but was thrilled nonetheless that they played the former.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Crow on May 04, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
I'm sure this isn't the first or even tenth time this observation has been made, but I don't follow this thread

The Holy Drinker is a stolen Opeth song :V
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 06:46:29 PM
What song?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 04, 2013, 07:12:06 PM
What song?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
I will say this, knowing now that Raider II is about the BTK killer Dennis Rader, if you read up on him and then listen to the song, the ebb and flow of the song is absolutely perfect when reflecting the trajectory of his story:

-The quiet, ominous intro is his f'd up head planting the seeds of killing.
-The vocals kick in and the continued quietness of the song, with the occasional loudness, portrays the initial four murders, the quiet still portraying ominous thoughts, while the rocking parts portray the acts of murder.
-The instrumental section that kicks in around the 8-minute mark portrays his elongated killing spree, where he claims six more victims, the brief mellow section in the middle portraying the huge gap in between the 7th (1977) and 8th (1985) murder.
-The quiet section that starts around 12-minute mark is the passage of time between the final murder (1991) and when the case becomes alive again (late 2004).  Live, Wilson adds a quiet vocal over the wordless vocal that sounds like, "I'm dead," sang four times, which could be conveying how dead Rader felt since he was no longer killing, the case had gone cold, and he was thus getting no more attention (something he always craved).
-Shortly after the 14:30 mark, the music there conveys the re-emergence of the case, thanks to Rader taunting the police with anonymous letters, almost like he is begging for attention and wanting the world to know he was, hence, "I'm Raider!!!!!!!!!!!"  The conclusion of that section, as the music builds to the furious finish, caps off the police closing in on him, him finally being arrested and convicted, and the long chaotic "ending" is his world finally crashing down around him.
-The mellow coda at the end, originally thought to be somewhat of a mystery as to why it was necessary, to me, shows what his life is now in prison: lonely, dark and cold, with those occasional guitar leads indicating either the crazy thoughts still in his head and/or him going crazy by his lonely, unending and inevitable existence in prison.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 04, 2013, 08:53:02 PM
Glad you liked the show, Kev. I've always liked SW a lot, but seeing him live really jumped him up a few notches for me. Wilson and his band are just perfect.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 04, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
Thanks! It really is just a sick band, and I hope they go back in the studio to record again after this tour is finished.  Wilson said last night that he has been reading up on the serial killer Richard Ramirez lately, and we were like, "Well, there's more material for him to write about!" :lol :lol :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 04, 2013, 09:23:58 PM
Fucking awesome, Kev. I couldn't agree more; that's perfect. I was completely enamored with that case when it was going on years ago and I actually did a hefty report on it for a criminal justice class so despite me trying to forget that case, I still remember much about it. The song does a great job as you said of really telling a story of and going through a routine of calamity and calmness. It's wonderful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 05, 2013, 02:09:16 AM
After experiencing Raider II live, it just became one of my favorite songs ever. It's such an epic journey, and by the time SW got to the climax and the "IM RAIDER"-part, goosebumps were everywhere.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on May 05, 2013, 07:22:43 AM
Honestly, if you are a fan, and a trip is doable, and you can afford it, this tour is a must-go for all SW fans.
I don't like Steven's solo stuff to the same extent as the PT albums, but I think seeing him live might change my mind, so if the trip turns out to be affordable, I will go! :tup
The Holy Drinker is a stolen Opeth song :V
I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on May 05, 2013, 07:34:27 AM
Show was great. Venue was packed but the crowd was pretty lifeless. Damn tough to find Steve for an autograph. Hearing Raider live made me appreciate it a bit more as its never really clicked for me. I was bummed that I got the medley instead of Radioactive Toy, but holy SHIT is No Twilight amazing live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Pyroph on May 05, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Oh yeah, the Raider part was completely silent. No douchebags in Minneapolis.   ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on May 05, 2013, 08:12:34 AM
Oh yeah, the Raider part was completely silent. No douchebags in Minneapolis.   ;D

I think NYC served as a cuationary tale for people not to be jackasses for the rest of the tour!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 05, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
I promise not to be a douchebag next week guys, ok?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2013, 08:59:33 AM
Fucking awesome, Kev. I couldn't agree more; that's perfect. I was completely enamored with that case when it was going on years ago and I actually did a hefty report on it for a criminal justice class so despite me trying to forget that case, I still remember much about it. The song does a great job as you said of really telling a story of and going through a routine of calamity and calmness. It's wonderful.

Thanks!  :)

Honestly, if you are a fan, and a trip is doable, and you can afford it, this tour is a must-go for all SW fans.
I don't like Steven's solo stuff to the same extent as the PT albums, but I think seeing him live might change my mind, so if the trip turns out to be affordable, I will go! :tup
 

'Tis a wise move; you won't regret it! :coolio


I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???

I suspect this is one of those "It sounds like something Opeth would have done" cases for Parama, as opposed to sounding like any one specific Opeth song.  Considering how Wilson and Akerfeldt have been on a similar wavelength the last couple years, I am not surprised that either would write a few songs that some fans would think sound like something the other would have done.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2013, 09:04:11 AM
BTW, we always talk about great moments in songs, and with Wilson's music, there are always too damn many to count them all, but the one in The Pin Drop chorus still never fails to give me goosebumps ever single time:

I am tired of struggling
And the rain is beating down on me
I tried to be the way that he wanted me to be
I did not hear the pin drop down
I did not hear my heart

I am not sure how to describe it in strictly musical terms, but the way the music climaxes right near the end of the bolded line, and then as it goes into the next line, is nothing short of  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy.   Seriously.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 05, 2013, 10:34:36 AM
I still don't LOVE that song, Kev, but that is a good moment.

Just got a message that Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape reissue is now available for pre-order on CD, y'all:

https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/headphonedust/porcupine-tree-yellow-hedgerow-dreamscape-cd/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: orcus116 on May 05, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
I managed to catch Radioactive Toy a few years ago in Boston with PT but I'm assuming with this band it's being taken to a whole new level.

I assume that was the 2009 show at the House Of Blues orc?  Great show with King's X opening.

It was an 06 show at Berklee.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
Thinking of going on a road trip out to Denver to see him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on May 05, 2013, 11:25:17 AM
I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???
I suspect this is one of those "It sounds like something Opeth would have done" cases for Parama, as opposed to sounding like any one specific Opeth song.  Considering how Wilson and Akerfeldt have been on a similar wavelength the last couple years, I am not surprised that either would write a few songs that some fans would think sound like something the other would have done.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe the doomsday organ is similar to the one in Famine and the tempo slightly reminiscent of The Grand Conjuration, but it's ridiculous to claim that the song is a total rip-off.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2013, 11:29:02 AM
Well, scratch that. Didn't realize its today. I've got to hope he tours with these guys a bit more and they come back to the states and play Raven.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2013, 11:44:11 AM
I still don't LOVE that song, Kev, but that is a good moment.

 

You should love that song. :biggrin:

I can hear some Deliverance before the 10-minute mark in The Watchmaker, but which Opeth song did Steven "steal" when he wrote THD? ???
I suspect this is one of those "It sounds like something Opeth would have done" cases for Parama, as opposed to sounding like any one specific Opeth song.  Considering how Wilson and Akerfeldt have been on a similar wavelength the last couple years, I am not surprised that either would write a few songs that some fans would think sound like something the other would have done.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe the doomsday organ is similar to the one in Famine and the tempo slightly reminiscent of The Grand Conjuration, but it's ridiculous to claim that the song is a total rip-off.

Pretty much, yeah.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on May 05, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
Why can't musicians no matter what their age be influenced by the music at the time? Unconsciously that style seeps into their music.  Rush has done that for decades.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 05, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
Well, scratch that. Didn't realize its today. I've got to hope he tours with these guys a bit more and they come back to the states and play Raven.

It's tomorrow, in Boulder :)
I will be there :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2013, 01:34:15 PM
Well, scratch that. Didn't realize its today. I've got to hope he tours with these guys a bit more and they come back to the states and play Raven.

It's tomorrow, in Boulder :)
I will be there :caffeine:

Hmm....
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 05, 2013, 02:31:36 PM
BTW, we always talk about great moments in songs, and with Wilson's music, there are always too damn many to count them all, but the one in The Pin Drop chorus still never fails to give me goosebumps ever single time:

I am tired of struggling
And the rain is beating down on me
I tried to be the way that he wanted me to be
I did not hear the pin drop down
I did not hear my heart

I am not sure how to describe it in strictly musical terms, but the way the music climaxes right near the end of the bolded line, and then as it goes into the next line, is nothing short of  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy.   Seriously.
Could not agree more Kev. I get chills at that part every time which is why it was my favourite on the album for quite a while.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 05, 2013, 04:39:43 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/arts/music/steven-wilson-at-the-best-buy-theater.html?_r=0

Not much info, but pretty cool to see him getting attention.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 05, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
saw him in Minneapolis last night after sadly, an 8-Year Hiatus (which the other 2 previous shows with PT SOLD OUT by the way). Epic show as I'm sure others who've seen him and his band know.

2 1/2 hours+, complete Raven and much of Grace.

Constant Video screens of course too.

A more detailed review hopefully will come soon per my blog allmediareviews.blogspot.com
 
also Watch for That Drummer Guy's Youtube channel as he aka JRundquist got to interview Steven before the show.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on May 05, 2013, 05:22:42 PM
I'll come out and say it...if this is what his solo output is going to be like, I am just fine with him giving full attention to this and mothballing PT for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 05, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Pretty much my view as well. While I'd like to see PT return in the future and really believe that they will, I am completely okay with his solo career continuing for a long time to come.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on May 05, 2013, 06:15:53 PM
Totally agreed. Raven is the IMHO the best album I've heard in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on May 05, 2013, 06:20:09 PM
Totally agreed. Raven is the IMHO the best album I've heard in the last 5 years.
I wouldn't say the best I've heard in 5 years, but it's definitely among the best  :tup
Those 2 1/2 hours seeing Steven Wilson was absolutely breathtaking, even with one drunk guy and his girlfriend/bimbo? being loud, especially during Raider II  >:( "Come on Steven, Play That Song!" was what he said like every other fucking minute, and his gal would be showing him texts from her gal pals and just be talking over quiet parts. And then this lady behind them kept muttering "assholes" and that got annoying, because it's like muttering assholes under your breath isn't going to stop them!
BUT I digress, even with minor distractions like that, it was one hell of a show, and I'd love to see Steven and his band sometime soon!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on May 05, 2013, 06:23:09 PM
I think all of that time hanging out with Robert Fripp the last couple of years has worn off on him...in so many ways, Raven seems to carry the torch of KC.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 05, 2013, 08:30:14 PM
I think that was more true of GFD.

Raven seems to spread its influences around a bit more than that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 05, 2013, 11:08:09 PM
Yayyyy Boulder show tomorrow! And I will be seeing him with a friend I haven't seen in a while.
WHAT AM I GONNA WEAR
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on May 06, 2013, 12:06:19 AM
So I just read about the "The Raven That Refused to Sing... And Other Stories." I'm still madly in love with this album.. but I'm also depressed by it. "The Watchmaker" is still my favorite track off the album. After reading them, I don't think I can ever listen to "The Pin Drop" the same... Very dark.


I'm new to the whole "Steven Wilson" stuff. Recently got into PT then I love his voice and his style it seemed so I went off and grabbed his solo albums. Are all of his lyrics like this?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2013, 12:12:28 AM
I would say his darkest lyrics are on his last two solo albums, The Incident and In Absentia.  Overall though, I am not the least bit bothered by his dark lyrics.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on May 06, 2013, 12:45:41 AM
I'm not really bothered by it, I just honestly had no idea what to expect. I still love the albums. also isn't In Absentia a PT album?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 06, 2013, 12:48:30 AM
Yeah.

Honestly, PT is Steven Wilson. I know that's weird to say...but it is. It's just as much Steven Wilson as the actual Steven Wilson band is right now. On TRTRTS, Wilson let the band members write freely - but that's also the case for PT. Sure there are a few instrumental songs from PT that might have come from the others in the band (I'm thinking Tinto Brass) but it's 99% Steven.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on May 06, 2013, 12:52:31 AM
I'm actually extremely happy I picked up TRTRTS. I found "The Aristocrats" from checking out Marco and Guthrie Govan.

But yeah. How is his other stuff? Like Blackfield and Bass Communion?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 06, 2013, 02:55:14 AM
Blackfield is more pop-ish, if you like songs like Trains and Lazarus that aren't that progressive but more melody-focused, that sums up Blackfield. Their songs are mostly in the 3-4 minute range with a verse-chorus-verse kind of structure.

Bass Communion is instrumental ambient music, so you won't find guitars/drums and all that, just soundscapes really. But it's cool music for listening in headphones.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 06:29:21 AM
Okay, well, here comes the part where I'm disagreeable:

I've never been a big fan of Steven Wilson's lyrics. He has a few songs where he channels a strong inner poet, but more than a few all-out misses, and mostly a lot of "meh". Aside from that, I've never shared his topical interests and in most cases would rather just not know what his songs are about, because it ruins them for me. His morbid fascination just does not speak to me at all.

He could probably reach a much larger audience if he'd step away from bizarro-land to write about something more personal occasionally. But he sticks with this serial killer stuff, which winds up just making him look evasive of his own feelings, and immature.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on May 06, 2013, 07:58:42 AM
Blackfield is more pop-ish, if you like songs like Trains and Lazarus that aren't that progressive but more melody-focused, that sums up Blackfield. Their songs are mostly in the 3-4 minute range with a verse-chorus-verse kind of structure.

Blackfield is great but Aviv's vocals really keep me from listening to more Blackfield.

Okay, well, here comes the part where I'm disagreeable:

I've never been a big fan of Steven Wilson's lyrics. He has a few songs where he channels a strong inner poet, but more than a few all-out misses, and mostly a lot of "meh". Aside from that, I've never shared his topical interests and in most cases would rather just not know what his songs are about, because it ruins them for me. His morbid fascination just does not speak to me at all.

He could probably reach a much larger audience if he'd step away from bizarro-land to write about something more personal occasionally. But he sticks with this serial killer stuff, which winds up just making him look evasive of his own feelings, and immature.

Just my two cents.

I agree with you, SW can write some pretty incredible stuff (lyrically) but most of the time his lyrics are usually a miss for me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 06, 2013, 08:23:49 AM
How does he stick with the serial killer stuff? Aside from two albums (In Absentia and Grace for Drowning), he doesn't really touch on serial killers anywhere else.  Okay, he focuses a lot on very dark matters (har har), but that has never bothered me.  Often times, the lyrics match the music very well (like Index, for example), and he has said that he is a pretty happy person, but he doesn't write when he is happy, and whatever he is doing is working extremely well, so I say, keep going with it.   :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 06, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
Well, for me, it works well in the sense that I continue to like songs as long as I don't think too much about what they're about :P. But in terms of I listen to a song and have to step back because of what the lyrics are saying to me, no, that almost never happens when listening to PT or any SW project. Although there have been rare occurences of that happening too, I guess.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 06, 2013, 08:29:15 AM
I don't really pay that close attention to lyrics, so what he writes about doesn't really bother me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on May 06, 2013, 09:05:34 AM
I think that was more true of GFD.

Raven seems to spread its influences around a bit more than that.

I know that GFD sounds more Crimson...I'm more referring to the spirit in which the music is created and executed...that had started already, but is definitely cemented now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SystematicThought on May 06, 2013, 09:21:42 AM
saw him in Minneapolis last night after sadly, an 8-Year Hiatus (which the other 2 previous shows with PT SOLD OUT by the way). Epic show as I'm sure others who've seen him and his band know.
Did he ever make mention that he hadn't been here in awhile?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 06, 2013, 10:58:24 AM
saw him in Minneapolis last night after sadly, an 8-Year Hiatus (which the other 2 previous shows with PT SOLD OUT by the way). Epic show as I'm sure others who've seen him and his band know.
Did he ever make mention that he hadn't been here in awhile?

he did mention it in a subtle way once or twice. I suspect the interview he did with That Drummer Guy, the subject of how long it's been since he played Minneapolis came up once or twice, so maybe that influenced a comment or 2 from Steven about it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on May 06, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
I think that was more true of GFD.

Raven seems to spread its influences around a bit more than that.

I know that GFD sounds more Crimson...I'm more referring to the spirit in which the music is created and executed...that had started already, but is definitely cemented now.
Ah, yeah I can agree with that I guess. :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 07, 2013, 12:47:06 AM
Oh gawd, what a show in Boulder tonight. I'm still coming down from Radioactive Toy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Did he give you the freedom to destroy? ;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 07, 2013, 08:40:30 AM
HE DID!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2013, 08:50:43 AM
 :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: snowdog on May 07, 2013, 10:35:30 AM
The Boulder show was awesome.  I was near the back in the balcony but I was able to see everything just fine.  And the sound was awesome where I was sitting.  I didn't need earplugs and could hear everything clearly. 

The Raven material was awesome as was Raider and Postcard.  I really wish he had done "Not Part of Me" though.  That would have made it a perfect show for me.  But overall it was great.  Nice to see this lineup but I am interested to see what they are like with Chad Wackerman.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2013, 12:17:55 PM
I love No Part of Me, but once they started playing Sectarian last Friday, I knew the odds of getting the former too were pretty low, but I was okay with it.  Almost everything he played was so awesome that how I could not be totally happy??  The only song he played that I am not nuts about was Harmony Korine, and even that was fine, as it was a good concert song, and it added some of the hard guitar rock element that is mostly missing from his solo work.

Also, as far as the Cover Version songs go, I absolutely love the back to back of Lord of the Reedy River and An End to End.  I love the laidback nature of both. :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 07, 2013, 01:06:52 PM
That Drummer Guy aka JRundquist interviews Steven Wilson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuTe-I3fOs
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 07, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
I thought Harmony Korine was probably the low point of the night. It just doesn't really work the way it's supposed to. One of the few songs SW played that couldn't either enhance or match it's studio counterpart for some reason.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on May 07, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
I actually prefer HK live. It feels heavier.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 07, 2013, 01:50:34 PM
Anyone else hitting the sf show?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 07, 2013, 01:55:42 PM
Anyone else hitting the sf show?

I wish I were.



Is anyone else hitting the LA show? :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: snowdog on May 07, 2013, 02:33:56 PM
Live, Wilson adds a quiet vocal over the wordless vocal that sounds like, "I'm dead," sang four times, which could be conveying how dead Rader felt since he was no longer killing, the case had gone cold, and he was thus getting no more attention (something he always craved).
Last night I was listening for this and I'm pretty sure Wilson was singing "I'm done".  I might have misheard but I'm pretty sure that's what it was.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 07, 2013, 03:59:31 PM
That's what I heard, too.

snowdog, what side of the balcony were you on? We may have been near each other :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 07, 2013, 11:24:28 PM
I'd done...I'm dead...eh, close enough. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 08, 2013, 08:23:03 AM
Okay, round one tonight. Intimate show at Amoeba Records in San Francisco. :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: snowdog on May 08, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
That's what I heard, too.

snowdog, what side of the balcony were you on? We may have been near each other :)
I was on the left side but my seat was right next to the center stairs.  So practically the center of the balcony.  Row GG Seat 12.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 08, 2013, 06:44:12 PM
Dude! No way! I was in EE Seat 12  :rollin

I was the gal in the piano tutu and Zappa shirt, if that rings any bells.

Btw, what really made my night was getting to hear SW say, with childlike excitement, "I can stick my finger up its ass!"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 08, 2013, 07:27:58 PM
Dude! No way! I was in EE Seat 12  :rollin

I was the gal in the piano tutu and Zappa shirt, if that rings any bells.

Btw, what really made my night was getting to hear SW say, with childlike excitement, "I can stick my finger up its ass!"

This seems like a quote that requires context...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 08, 2013, 08:21:08 PM
Yeah really... :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on May 08, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
What a bummer that not more Raven songs are on GAYD, and also that Guthrie isn't playing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 08, 2013, 09:41:01 PM
What a bummer that not more Raven songs are on GAYD, and also that Guthrie isn't playing.
SW needs to release a live album and DVD from this tour! I know they filmed the Frankfurt show, but I don't think there are any plans to release it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 08, 2013, 10:55:24 PM
OK, just got home from the small show and meet and greet. Totally awesome warmup for tomorrow night. He played two songs, the first I didn't recognize(still catching up on his discography, I'm somewhat of a SW noob), then he did Radioactive Toy. Full band, about 100 peeps there, and they fucking nailed it.

Edit: The first song was No Twilight. Insurgnetes is the album I don't have yet.

No video or photos were allowed during the show, but I got these....

The mixing board, in the country music section...
(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/20130508_165732_zps1c163662.jpg)

Teh stage, from where I saw the show...
(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/20130508_170231_zps870908c5.jpg)

Steven and I....
(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/20130508_185721_zps443647d6.jpg)

Also was able to get my TRTRTS signed by the whole band.


Now there were video cameras set up, and the show should be on Amoeba's website in a few days. Here's the link...

https://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/video-gallery#urle-video-gallery/cat-all_videos/page-1 (https://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/video-gallery#urle-video-gallery/cat-all_videos/page-1)


Needless to say, I am fucking pumped for tomorrow's show. :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 08, 2013, 11:20:51 PM
 :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal ;D ;D :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
:JayOctavarium:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2013, 11:50:23 PM
Very nice, lonestar. :tup :tup

As for another live DVD/Blu-Ray, while it would be awesome, most of the songs being played were on Get All You Deserve, so if he keeps this lineup together for another album and touring cycle, it would make more sense to release one from that tour (since it could feature mostly music from The Raven and the next album, with a few songs from Insurgentes and Grace for Drowning).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: snowdog on May 09, 2013, 07:15:00 AM
Dude! No way! I was in EE Seat 12  :rollin

I was the gal in the piano tutu and Zappa shirt, if that rings any bells.

Btw, what really made my night was getting to hear SW say, with childlike excitement, "I can stick my finger up its ass!"

I don't recall that outfit but the lighting was dark.  I do remember two ladies a couple of rows up so that must have you.

And the context of that quote is that someone made SW a Raven puppet and placed it on his keyboard before the show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 09, 2013, 07:18:53 AM
Yes, that was me and my friend :)

And yeah guys, someone in the audience gave SW a raven finger puppet that he was very excited about. He played with it a little during the show.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2013, 11:42:04 PM
I will say this, knowing now that Raider II is about the BTK killer Dennis Rader, if you read up on him and then listen to the song, the ebb and flow of the song is absolutely perfect when reflecting the trajectory of his story:

-The quiet, ominous intro is his f'd up head planting the seeds of killing.
-The vocals kick in and the continued quietness of the song, with the occasional loudness, portrays the initial four murders, the quiet still portraying ominous thoughts, while the rocking parts portray the acts of murder.
-The instrumental section that kicks in around the 8-minute mark portrays his elongated killing spree, where he claims six more victims, the brief mellow section in the middle portraying the huge gap in between the 7th (1977) and 8th (1985) murder.
-The quiet section that starts around 12-minute mark is the passage of time between the final murder (1991) and when the case becomes alive again (late 2004).  Live, Wilson adds a quiet vocal over the wordless vocal that sounds like, "I'm dead," sang four times, which could be conveying how dead Rader felt since he was no longer killing, the case had gone cold, and he was thus getting no more attention (something he always craved).
-Shortly after the 14:30 mark, the music there conveys the re-emergence of the case, thanks to Rader taunting the police with anonymous letters, almost like he is begging for attention and wanting the world to know he was, hence, "I'm Raider!!!!!!!!!!!"  The conclusion of that section, as the music builds to the furious finish, caps off the police closing in on him, him finally being arrested and convicted, and the long chaotic "ending" is his world finally crashing down around him.
-The mellow coda at the end, originally thought to be somewhat of a mystery as to why it was necessary, to me, shows what his life is now in prison: lonely, dark and cold, with those occasional guitar leads indicating either the crazy thoughts still in his head and/or him going crazy by his lonely, unending and inevitable existence in prison.

Thoughts?

To elaborate on this a bit further, the wiki article talks about a woman, Anna Williams, that Rader intended to kill, but she had went out with friends that night and stayed out longer than she had intended cause they just got to talking for hours, and he finally got tired of waiting in her house to return and gave up and left.  I think these lyrics clearly reflect that:

"The night is crawling closer to the action
Your mouth is driving me into distraction, you talk too much"

I also think the big "aaaahhhhh!" keyboards/flute fills could reflect the cries of the murder victims. These are heard at:

2:56
3:04
3:11
3:18 (these first four in a clump could reflect the first four victims, all of whom were murdered the same day)

4:18
4:25
4:32
4:40 (these four are on the flute, but are in the same spaces as the previous musical progression)

7:47 (this is the prolonged "aaaaaaaa--aaaaahhhh!" on the keyboard, which since it is prolonged, being different than the others, could be the excessive talking of the would-be victim, the aforementioned Anna Williams, who escaped death by talking so much)
7:54
8:02

So, that would be 10 cries on the keyboard/flute in the same musical progression, signifying the murder victims, and one prolonged cry of a would-be victim. 

Is this a bit of a stretch?  Perhaps :lol :lol, but it is interesting to think about and dissect nonetheless.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 10, 2013, 12:30:09 AM
Holy shit what a show!!!!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 10, 2013, 12:33:08 AM
Holy shit what a show!!!!!


Is what I hope to be saying in 24 hours
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 10, 2013, 02:00:41 AM
You will be dude. Unfuckingbelievable. It was a GA show, and I got there early enough to get front row in front of Beggs and Minnemann. Sound was impeccable. Crowd was lights out. Highlights for me were Luminol, Pin Drop, Index, Watchmaker, Rader II, and Raven, but everything was just plain brilliant. Minnemann's stick went right over my head at the end, almost got it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DebraKadabra on May 10, 2013, 02:17:14 AM
 :angry:

Meh.  I still loves ya anyhoo, brah. :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 10, 2013, 02:19:07 AM
 :heart


Edit: so one of the things the Fillmore does that is beyond cool is give away a limited edition print for every show. Here is last night's...

(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/20130510_084754_zps094e088d.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 10, 2013, 01:07:19 PM
Today is the day for me! Doors open at 8 but I plan on getting down there at like 6ish and hanging out. The venue (Club Nokia) is part of the L.A. Live complex (Staples Center, L.A. Convention Center, Nokia Theater, Club Nokia, and various restaurants... also a bowling alley)  :coolio so there will be plenty to do before hand.

My seats are balcony seats... first couple rows...  almost dead center (and judging by where I was for Black Label Society a few months ago... these seats are flippin amazing!)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 10, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 10, 2013, 01:16:31 PM
This time a week ago, we were on our way to Chicago to see this show.  Can we please rewind a week, please? :lol :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on May 10, 2013, 02:27:13 PM
Yeah, it was one of the best show I've seen in a long time.   It felt majestic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 10, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
Yeah, it was one of the best show I've seen in a long time.   It felt majestic.

Ya know... that would be a great name for a band... Majesty!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mindflux on May 11, 2013, 09:17:31 AM
Yeah, it was one of the best show I've seen in a long time.   It felt majestic.

Ya know... that would be a great name for a band... Majesty!

:derpderp:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 11, 2013, 09:32:22 AM
Okay, well, here comes the part where I'm disagreeable:

I've never been a big fan of Steven Wilson's lyrics. He has a few songs where he channels a strong inner poet, but more than a few all-out misses, and mostly a lot of "meh". Aside from that, I've never shared his topical interests and in most cases would rather just not know what his songs are about, because it ruins them for me. His morbid fascination just does not speak to me at all.

He could probably reach a much larger audience if he'd step away from bizarro-land to write about something more personal occasionally. But he sticks with this serial killer stuff, which winds up just making him look evasive of his own feelings, and immature.

Just my two cents.
I do generally quite like Steven Wilson's lyrics, and I think he actually has quite a nice balance. Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream have a lot of love songs, he's frequently romantic, but he's unusual about it, he writes about love in an unorthodox way, which I find quite refreshing.

One moment where I do think the lyrics are... really, notably weak is the line "Find me a way for making them stay." That's the focal point of what is arguably the definitive song of his career so far, and it's such a clumsy sentence. I can't think of a way to improve it that fits the music, but it's a little... square peg into a heptagonal hole. Largely, though, great!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 11, 2013, 01:55:34 PM
show was amazing last night!





my buddy and I with Nick Dreggs....
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/947169_10151574858733427_1076143567_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on May 11, 2013, 03:24:04 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on May 18, 2013, 04:49:48 PM
Less than 1 hour for the show :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on May 19, 2013, 10:31:16 AM
My thoughts on the show:

Musically it was flawless, both the execution and the sound were perfect which is exactly what one would expect from a Steven Wilson show and the set list was very good.
I must say I was very surprised since I was expecting the show to be a bit dull because I always had the impression that Wilson is not a fun guy live being such a fan of Robert Fripp and all but that was not the case at all. He had lots of interaction with the public even telling jokes, he was cool with the people applauding before songs ended, he smiled when we chanted "ole ole ole Wilson Wilson" and he invited us to sing along the chorus for radioactive to the point where he didn't even sing the last one and let the crowd do it.

The only bad thing about last night was that I had to stand on my feet the whole concert cause there were no seats and that morning I had played a soccer game and injured my ankle and of course I can't blame Steven for that.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on May 19, 2013, 10:44:13 AM
:tup


I have to say seeing Steven Wilson tops my list of greatest concert experiences... up there with seeing The Wall LA / Philly and my first DT show while in the pit...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 19, 2013, 04:29:41 PM
I must say I was very surprised since I was expecting the show to be a bit dull because I always had the impression that Wilson is not a fun guy live being such a fan of Robert Fripp and all but that was not the case at all.

I have to say his presence on stage has changed a LOT in the past couple of years. I think he had way less personality performing with PT, at least when I saw them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ħ on May 19, 2013, 05:12:59 PM
How exactly do you guys mean? From the DVDs, it seemed like he was into it when he was with PT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on May 20, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
I forwarded the booking confirmation of the Colston Hall show to my mother (as I'd got her a ticket as part of her birthday present. She adores Steven Wilson and his music).

I think she's looking forward to it.

And yeah, from when I saw PT live, yes, he chatted a little, but it does sound like, from people's reports of the shows, that he has become a lot more crowd-interactive.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on May 20, 2013, 01:11:23 PM
With PT, I got a feeling that he was trying to have a dark stage persona to fit the music. There's nothing wrong with that, but he's really loosened up with the solo band, as he's much more personable and natural with audience interaction.

Edit: 700th post!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on May 22, 2013, 11:30:54 PM
Yeah, exactly. And actually, the first time I noticed a real difference in his personality onstage was when I saw Blackfield in Portland a couple of years ago (with Alex and Nate  :heart :heart). It was right after his dad died and he had to cancel one or two shows but we got lucky. He seemed to come back with this vigor that I hadn't seen before, and I think it's been pretty obvious that his dad's death has influenced his music and attitude a lot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on May 23, 2013, 09:41:33 AM
Every time I listen to Watchmaker I hear "50 years of compromise, an Asian body shared". Can't unhear it. Brutal compromise too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on May 23, 2013, 09:44:44 AM
Every time I listen to Watchmaker I think I'm listening to an early Genesis record I just never heard before.

It's still great though  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 23, 2013, 10:37:16 AM
The Watchmaker is my favorite from Raven together with the title-track. Those acoustic guitars combined with the singing is just beautiful. If there's anything SW can do, it's amazing harmony-vocals.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on May 25, 2013, 07:58:32 PM
Steven Wilson is just incredible. I love his solo work, his PT work, Storm Corrosion, Blackfield, etc. He's just damn good at everything he does. Even producing albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on May 26, 2013, 01:29:45 AM
Every time I listen to Watchmaker I think I'm listening to an early Genesis record I just never heard before.

It's still great though  :biggrin:

I have to admit, I get exactly the same feel. Especially the post-guitar solo bit that sounds REALLY Tony Banks.

And it's absolutely bloody wonderful.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 07:49:31 AM
Okay! I bought The Raven, today. Passed on GfD on the strength of the pre-release songs, wasn't impressed by the Watchmaker, but I'm still a bit enchanted by the title track, so my curiosity got the better of me.

Three and a half minutes into Luminol, I'm not regretting my choice. This is gonna be an interesting album. Good so far, though. Remember how he used to be a little phobic of the word prog? Man, those days are definitely behind us. It even sounds occasionally - just occasionally - like Dream Theater, in the instrumental blitz sections. Riffing on similar influences, coming up with similar results.

I'm onto the soft bit now, though, and any momentary similarity's gone. I'm really digging this song, though. It's very, very cool.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on May 26, 2013, 07:53:43 AM
I'm interested to hear you about a certain guitar solo that's coming up in a couple of minutes  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 07:56:52 AM
Was it in Luminol? If so... missed it! Nothing stood out, regrettably, nothing I wanted to comment on, but I'm sure I'll have more thoughts later.

Many, many thoughts if this song's anything to go by. Track two. Drive Home. That chorus!!

ETA I'm at 4:45 now, and there is currently no level on which I don't love Drive Home to bits. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2013, 07:59:51 AM
He was probably talking about the guitar solo near the end of Drive Home, which is :hefdaddy :hefdaddy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 08:00:23 AM
I've just reached it. Only in the first few bars yet, but yes, yes it is!

ETA - Vocals just came back in. Man!!

ETA 2 - Holy Drinker's funky as shit. Vocals and lyrics are a bit seventies prog, not in my favourite way, little bit swords-'n'-sorcery, but that's a groove and a half with the organ.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2013, 08:05:57 AM
Hell yeah!

Also, get ready for The Holy Drinker. The first several minutes is probably the wankiest instrumental section Wilson has ever done in a song of his. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Not convinced by the end of the Holy Drinker, nor by the vocals at the start of the Pin Drop. Bit... strained. Music good, though. Bit of an Elbow vibe, and any problems dissolve as the layers and the intensity build up. Thick harmonies doing this song a lot of favours. This album is frequently so much better grounded than I was expecting.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 08:19:17 AM
Right. Pin Drop was ace. Interesting, driven, and admirably curt. Everything else I've heard before, now. Didn't take to The Watchmaker, utterly love The Raven - but I've only seen The Watchmaker from live footage, so we'll see how it goes. At worst, we're looking at five out of six really cool songs. Couple of minutes in, The Watchmaker makes a lot more sense in the context of the album than it did in the live footage, and the warmer feel is doing it credit. It was more the meandering towards the end that turned me off it, though.

ETA This is lush. We might be six for six.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2013, 08:25:42 AM
His vocals during The Pin Drop's first verse threw me at first, too, but I liked them pretty quickly soon thereafter.  And that chorus is just incredible.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 08:28:03 AM
It's a very specific style - it's the kind of thing where I wince at first, but I'd imagine, on successive listens, I wouldn't be able to imagine it sung any other way.

Arrrg. Ten minutes in, and I've just remembered why I didn't like the Watchmaker. Five and a half out of six is still pretty good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 08:42:12 AM
Okay! That's the album. In a word - inspired. I'd rather suspected Steven Wilson was starting to disappear up his own jacksy with his solo work. That's based on all the GfD songs they've made available, The Watchmaker, and while I quite liked the album, Insurgentes hinted towards a direction that I find a little unpalatable. Glad to be proven very, very wrong. These are interesting, musically, and far more proggy than any of his Porcupine Tree stuff, but the song remains the star. SW's best when he's writing songs, and TRTRTS is full of utter belters. Love it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 26, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
I'm still surprised you don't like The Watchmaker, but I look forward to you coming around on it and admitting how wrong you were. :biggrin:

But glad you really liked everything else right away! :tup :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 26, 2013, 01:04:50 PM
Gawd, I fucking love The Map. So ominous and eerie. Perfect for these dreary, overcast days.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on May 26, 2013, 04:46:08 PM
I'm still surprised you don't like The Watchmaker, but I look forward to you coming around on it and admitting how wrong you were. :biggrin:

But glad you really liked everything else right away! :tup :tup
I like most of it! It's just the end that's... it feels like it's contradicting the rest of the song. It doesn't work for me - doesn't gel.

That said, you're right, I can absolutely picture myself coming around on it and admitting how wrong I am. "Jesus, what was with that guy?!" For now, not fond. Whether that's because I didn't hear it in the context of the album first time round, or because it really doesn't match quite as well, I'm not sure yet. I'm sure there might've been some equally wacky passages in Luminol. But I've only heard it twice. Once on disc. Let's see how it goes!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on May 26, 2013, 07:39:12 PM
It took me hearing Luminol a couple of times in context before I got into it, so could be the same for you & Watchmaker.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on May 27, 2013, 09:18:30 AM
I just discovered SW a few weeks ago when a former coworker/fellow drummer asked me if I wanted to go see Marco Minneman in November with SW. The venue had a link to Raven so I watched that video along with The Watchmaker on the commute to work... I bought the album on iTunes as soon as I got to work (I never buy music on iTunes) and have been hooked ever since (I bought his other two albums also on iTunes in short order and the Blue ray of The Raven... Live in Mexico special set should be here any day) :). Haven't had time to check out PT (One of those names I've heard a thousand times but never got around to checking out) but I think SW solo is a little more my taste...

Anyway, now it looks like it's going to be Chad Wackerman and not MM playing in Denmark in December so I was wondering if there are any YouTube videos out there since Wackerman took the chair (I found one not so clear video where I couldn't make out the drummer even though I should be able to hear the difference I just wasn't sure...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2013, 11:25:58 AM
I just discovered SW a few weeks ago when a former coworker/fellow drummer asked me if I wanted to go see Marco Minneman in November with SW. The venue had a link to Raven so I watched that video along with The Watchmaker on the commute to work... I bought the album on iTunes as soon as I got to work (I never buy music on iTunes) and have been hooked ever since (I bought his other two albums also on iTunes in short order and the Blue ray of The Raven... Live in Mexico special set should be here any day) :). Haven't had time to check out PT (One of those names I've heard a thousand times but never got around to checking out) but I think SW solo is a little more my taste...
 

 :tup :tup

But definitely check out Porcupine Tree.  ASAP!!

I'm still surprised you don't like The Watchmaker, but I look forward to you coming around on it and admitting how wrong you were. :biggrin:

But glad you really liked everything else right away! :tup :tup
I like most of it! It's just the end that's... it feels like it's contradicting the rest of the song. It doesn't work for me - doesn't gel.

That said, you're right, I can absolutely picture myself coming around on it and admitting how wrong I am. "Jesus, what was with that guy?!" For now, not fond. Whether that's because I didn't hear it in the context of the album first time round, or because it really doesn't match quite as well, I'm not sure yet. I'm sure there might've been some equally wacky passages in Luminol. But I've only heard it twice. Once on disc. Let's see how it goes!

 :tup :tup

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 27, 2013, 12:46:51 PM
Anyway, now it looks like it's going to be Chad Wackerman and not MM playing in Denmark in December so I was wondering if there are any YouTube videos out there since Wackerman took the chair (I found one not so clear video where I couldn't make out the drummer even though I should be able to hear the difference I just wasn't sure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw
here you go! :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on May 27, 2013, 02:11:50 PM
Anyway, now it looks like it's going to be Chad Wackerman and not MM playing in Denmark in December so I was wondering if there are any YouTube videos out there since Wackerman took the chair (I found one not so clear video where I couldn't make out the drummer even though I should be able to hear the difference I just wasn't sure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hp6lYx4Fvw
here you go! :tup
Thanks but that is with Marco (seen it and I think it's awesome)... I'm curious to see How Wackermans playing (the same material) compares (I wrote my last post in a hurry and on my phone so it might not have been clear). I was hoping something might pop up from one of the South America shows or the Nokia(?) in LA with Wackerman playing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on May 27, 2013, 02:18:20 PM
ah, sorry, I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on May 28, 2013, 04:06:14 AM
No problem :).

I got my "Get all you Deserve" set yesterday... Didn't have time to put the BD on but I ripped the DVD to my iPad and watched the first three songs on my way to work this morning. What a geat opening song (can't name them all yet)! Can't wait to get home and watch some more (the sound from my "Handbrake" rip was ok but not quite as it should be).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on May 30, 2013, 10:36:27 PM
I just found a YouTube channel with good quality video from Chile (looks like most of the concert is there).

I've only seen a little bit of it so far but (although Wackerman is a great drummer) I think I prefer Marco's style with Wilson... But to be fair Wackerman should probably have a little time to settle in (and I need to see the rest of it).

I finally got to see all of GAYD on BD and I'm pretty much at a loss for words as to how much I like it...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z2yNoszM_Bg&feature=g-high-u (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z2yNoszM_Bg&feature=g-high-u)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on June 01, 2013, 02:48:30 PM
Just dropping in to say once more how incredible this album is. It's been in constant rotation for me, gets played at least once per day.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on June 02, 2013, 05:16:57 AM
I've just been getting back to it after giving it a rest for a few weeks, and it's still as amazing as the first time I heard it.

My favorite moment is when the guitar solo enters in 'Drive Home'. My brain is always fooled for a split second, thinking that it's actually a saxophone. Brilliant tone by Govan. And I love the dynamic range this album has. Sound quality is maybe the best ever for SW.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on June 02, 2013, 06:36:37 AM
Just dropping in to say once more how incredible this album is. It's been in constant rotation for me, gets played at least once per day.

You know a great album when you overplay it and you don't get sick of it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on June 02, 2013, 07:03:02 AM
I overplayed it and I am sick of it....kidding!!  I still love it to death. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on June 02, 2013, 07:19:02 AM
It's probably the solo album I prefer the least out of the three, but with that said, I still really really like it. Can't wait to see him live in November, and play the songs from it. Watchmaker and title-track especially.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Limelight on June 03, 2013, 03:42:21 AM
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lolzeez on June 03, 2013, 09:02:50 AM
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.
This.
Also,here's my list of every album from 2013 that I've heard so far with rankings. But I still have to give couple albums more listens.
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Lolzeez/my_ratings_for_all_the_albums_i_heard_in_2013__worst_to_best_
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 03, 2013, 09:45:38 AM
You put some pretty amazing albums in your bottom 15 or so (SHAKING THE HABITUAL WAT). :P Oh well. mbv called a disappointment too. Sad. :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on June 03, 2013, 09:52:32 AM
Shaking the Habitual and MBV are my two favorites so far in 2013 actually, otherwise, I was glad to see Amplifier so high. I also love that album.  :angel:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on June 03, 2013, 04:09:14 PM
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.

To each their own I guess, but unless DT tread major new ground, this isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on June 03, 2013, 07:45:25 PM
The only album that I see potentially knocking Raven out of my top 3 of this year is the new DT.

To each their own I guess, but unless DT tread major new ground, this isn't going to happen.

This... also, I didn't even realize there was a new DT album coming out this year :lolpalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on June 03, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
Damn, neither did I... and yeah, sadly the DT days are in the past for me. No way it's even contending with Wilson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 14, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtZIUgY0IM&feature=youtu.be

TRTRTS live :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: millahh on June 14, 2013, 03:10:07 PM
Damn, neither did I... and yeah, sadly the DT days are in the past for me. No way it's even contending with Wilson.

Top three are currently SW, Ghost & QOTSA, with Karnivool possibly knocking out QOTSA come July.  Unless DT releases an absolute game-changer (and from JP's quotes, I don't expect that it will be), there's no way DT will be in the Top 3 for me...and deposing SW from #1 would tough to imagine.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2013, 08:14:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtZIUgY0IM&feature=youtu.be

TRTRTS live :hefdaddy

Turn off wah-wah :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on July 01, 2013, 09:16:42 AM
The SW Bonus Discs survivor tournament has started over at Polls & Survivors.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37795.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37795.0)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 19, 2013, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Steven Wilson's Facebook
Jess Cope is currently working on a new animated video for the song "Drive Home" from the current album, which will be released as the lead track on an EP in October. The film will also be part of the revamped live show that will be on the road from mid October. Here are some work in progress stills....
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/602472_601455729874693_972038749_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/999484_601455719874694_955822064_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/17621_601455713208028_562689691_n.jpg)

This looks really cool! I love her other two videos, so I'm sure this will be fantastic.

And, am I imagining this, or is this EP supposed to include a new song/songs? I vaguely remember it being mentioned in an interview.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lolzeez on July 19, 2013, 04:14:39 PM
That looks awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 21, 2013, 06:22:52 AM
Quote from: Steven Wilson's Facebook
Jess Cope is currently working on a new animated video for the song "Drive Home" from the current album, which will be released as the lead track on an EP in October. The film will also be part of the revamped live show that will be on the road from mid October. Here are some work in progress stills....

This looks really cool! I love her other two videos, so I'm sure this will be fantastic.

And, am I imagining this, or is this EP supposed to include a new song/songs? I vaguely remember it being mentioned in an interview.

Steven said that a song called 'The Birthday Party' will be released on it. I don't remember which interview it was from, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on July 21, 2013, 10:46:29 AM
Fucking awesome! New song and a creepy new video. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 21, 2013, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: Steven Wilson's Facebook
Jess Cope is currently working on a new animated video for the song "Drive Home" from the current album, which will be released as the lead track on an EP in October. The film will also be part of the revamped live show that will be on the road from mid October. Here are some work in progress stills....

This looks really cool! I love her other two videos, so I'm sure this will be fantastic.

And, am I imagining this, or is this EP supposed to include a new song/songs? I vaguely remember it being mentioned in an interview.

Steven said that a song called 'The Birthday Party' will be released on it. I don't remember which interview it was from, though.
That rings a bell. Can't wait to hear it!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 21, 2013, 12:42:36 PM
What do you think the chances are that the songs on the EP will end up on the next full-length album? I don't want to buy the EP just to buy the same songs again in a year or so.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on July 22, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
I think is SW is doing a studio recorded EP then I doubt he would put the songs on a later LP.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on July 22, 2013, 12:44:44 PM
Yeah, even in the PT days the songs from the EPs usually remained exclusive to those releases.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 22, 2013, 01:57:18 PM
I hope so. I hate buying EPs with material that comes out on another album later. Then I have to buy both. :censored
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 22, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
Yeah, I would say the odds are slim to none that he would put the stuff on both records...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on July 22, 2013, 07:07:41 PM
Yeah, I would say the odds are slim to none that he would put the stuff on both records...

Indeed. What band has done that, anyways? I can't think of any...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 22, 2013, 07:10:01 PM
Avantasia is the first that comes to mind.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 22, 2013, 07:21:33 PM
Didn't Pain Of Salvation do that with the Linoleum EP?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 22, 2013, 07:24:33 PM
You may be right about that.

I mean, it's really not that big a deal, just to my obsessive mind it seems very cluttered to buy songs twice. Especially if I don't have to.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 23, 2013, 01:38:20 AM
Arcade Fire also did that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 23, 2013, 02:15:17 AM
Didn't Pain Of Salvation do that with the Linoleum EP?

There are a few songs on Linoleum that ended up on any of the Road Salt albums, but there are also a few that didn't. So it still has some unique songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MirzekDT on July 23, 2013, 09:37:23 AM
Didn't Pain Of Salvation do that with the Linoleum EP?

There are a few songs on Linoleum that ended up on any of the Road Salt albums, but there are also a few that didn't. So it still has some unique songs.

Exactly, only Linoleum and Mortar Grind out of four Pain Of Salvation original songs are on the Road Salt albums and the Mortar Grind is even remixed so the only song having the same version on both the album and EP is Linoleum which kind of makes sense since the EP is called Linoleum so it's almost like a single from the album released before the album which is not so unusual as far as I know.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 23, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/B8PFNtW.jpg)

"The Raven That Refused to Bing"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 23, 2013, 10:01:37 PM
:lolpalm:

Oh man, I just got King Crimson's Lizard and GFD makes a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on July 24, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
That raven is smart :lol :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on July 24, 2013, 10:59:50 AM
:lolpalm:

Oh man, I just got King Crimson's Lizard and GFD makes a lot more sense now.

Funny thing is, so did Lizard when I got GfD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 24, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
It's a badass album! Some Zappa-like moments in there, I think. I can't stop listening to it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on July 25, 2013, 06:53:01 AM
Lizard is awesome, I don't care what anyone else says, I love that album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on July 25, 2013, 02:01:39 PM
Lizard is awesome, I don't care what anyone else says, I love that album.
This.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on July 25, 2013, 02:24:01 PM
It's a badass album! Some Zappa-like moments in there, I think. I can't stop listening to it.

It's that moment in the title track where theclassical bit gets jazzy. That bit is sheer genius (and part of what makes it one of my favourite albums)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on July 25, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
Lizard is awesome, I don't care what anyone else says, I love that album.
Agreed. It's fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 26, 2013, 08:00:24 AM
Yeah, I've been listening to it pretty much nonstop for about a week  :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on August 04, 2013, 01:08:02 AM
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38377.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=38377.0)

The Consolation tournament has just got underway on the SW Survivor!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 12, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
So at this point, if you guys had to make a one disc compilation of Steven's solo material, what would you have on it?

I'd definitely have Abandoner, Veneno Para Las Hadas, Deform to Form a Star, Postcard, Remainder the Black Dog, Index (Live), The Watchmaker, and The Raven That Refused to Sing.

Probably forgetting some...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 12, 2013, 10:42:51 AM
I would say something like this:

No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun
Deform to Form a Star
Home in Negative
Index
The Raven That Refused to Sing
Get All That You Deserve
Raider II
Like Dust I Have Cleared From My Eye

I believe that's like 70 minutes of music, haha.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on August 12, 2013, 11:38:56 AM
In chronological order (these probably fit on a single disc):

Harmony Korine
Abandoner
Salvaging
Get All You Deserve
Insurgentes
No Part of Me
Postcard
Index
Drive Home
The Holy Drinker
The Pin Drop
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on August 12, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
In chronological order (these probably fit on a single disc):

Harmony Korine
Abandoner
Salvaging
Get All You Deserve
Insurgentes
No Part of Me
Postcard
Index
Drive Home
The Holy Drinker
The Pin Drop
There's a disturbing lack of TRTRTS (song) on your list  :biggrin: But  :tup for the rest of it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on August 12, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
I would've added The Raven as well, but I wasn't sure if there was enough space for it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on August 12, 2013, 01:35:28 PM
I might not have listened to SW's solo albums enough (I've only been listening to his stuff since The Raven), but that song may very well be my favourite SW song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: kirksnosehair on August 12, 2013, 02:19:40 PM
I haven't heard anything more than once from Steven Wilson's solo stuff.  Grace For Drowning, from the two tracks I heard, probably not my cup of tea, but so far I'm enjoying The Raven album quite a bit.


I think I like the PT stuff better, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 12, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
Narrowing SW's solo stuff down to one album would be difficult, but I do know that most of The Raven, Raider II, Deform to Form a Star, Remainder the Black Dog, Insurgentes, Salvaging, No Twilight... and No Part of Me would all have to be on there.  Of course, that's more than 80 minutes, so you see what I mean. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on August 13, 2013, 02:04:00 AM
1. Harmony Korine
2. Insurgentes
3. Remainder the black dog
4. Deform to form a star
5. Raider II
6. Luminol
7. Drive home
8. The Raven that refused to sing

Some obvious highlights of his solo career, some more accessible songs. Perfect for a compilation.  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on August 13, 2013, 02:27:14 AM
I don't know why, but I would picture myself bursting out into laughter if I ever saw a "BEST OF STEVEN WILSON" album cover randomly one day at my local record store.

Despite the fact that it's gotten so fucking old so damn long ago, the whole iPod/Wilson biz, that is...I still died of laughter when I saw a knock-off Porcupine Tree iPod case...that had FoaBP as the artwork. :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2013, 03:07:24 AM
Yeah, the whole "Best of" or "Greatest Hits" seems like the very opposite of what SW would want to release. I think I'm similar to SW in that way, I don't care for collections of the "best" songs, I'd rather have the studio albums and hear the songs in the order they were intended to be heard, and in the context the artists wants me to hear them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 14, 2013, 12:32:19 PM
There's nothing left for me to say or do, cause all that matters disappeared when I lost you :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on August 14, 2013, 02:02:31 PM
Oh yeah, Postcard  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on August 14, 2013, 02:45:21 PM
Oh yeah, Postcard  :heart

best song from GfD
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 14, 2013, 02:48:25 PM
I prefer No Part Of Me, personally. But Postcard is still amazing. :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on August 14, 2013, 02:49:30 PM
Oh yeah, Postcard  :heart

best song from GfD
Pretty much, yeah. I love Deform To Form A Star and Raider II as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on August 15, 2013, 12:30:35 AM
I'm a huge fan of Deform and also of Sectarian. I love how dark that one is.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 15, 2013, 03:20:09 AM
I'm a huge fan ... of Sectarian. I love how dark that one is.

YES. definitely one of the most dynamic and interesting instrumentals SW has composed. it took me a while to get into it, though; some parts of GFD are less accessible in that way. however, it's become one of my favourite parts of the record, especially with the extra intro part from the demo version.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on August 15, 2013, 11:48:01 AM
It's got mad heavy bass too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 15, 2013, 02:59:46 PM
Sectarian is only okay on the record, but when I saw it live it kicked ass. It sounded much more heavy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 15, 2013, 03:28:45 PM
I liked Sectarian when I heard the album but seeing it live made me really appreciate it.

Am I the only one that loves the short transitional pieces? Belle de Jour is a really beautiful opening to the second disc. I remember seeing a SW interview where he said that it was one of the pieces he was most proud of from GFD, and I can definitely see why. And Raider Prelude has a really eerie and dark vibe, which I absolutely love. Not to mention the title track with Rudess on piano; I love that one too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on August 15, 2013, 03:51:10 PM
'Belle de Jour' is an incredible composition, gave me instant goosebumps the first time I heard it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 15, 2013, 09:49:08 PM
Yes I love Belle De Jour.  :heart :heart

Sectarian blew my mind at first, but I like it less now. Still a great tune though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 15, 2013, 11:00:39 PM


Am I the only one that loves the short transitional pieces?
Belle de Jour is a really beautiful opening to the second disc. I remember seeing a SW interview where he said that it was one of the pieces he was most proud of from GFD, and I can definitely see why. And Raider Prelude has a really eerie and dark vibe, which I absolutely love. Not to mention the title track with Rudess on piano; I love that one too.

Not at all.  Belle de Jour is definitely most awesome., and I love how Raider Prelude leads into Remainder the Black Dog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 15, 2013, 11:52:58 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on August 16, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
Agreed!
Seconded.
 :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on August 16, 2013, 03:58:54 AM
Yes I love Belle De Jour.  :heart :heart
Dang, that's a fantastic song. One of my Steven Wilson favorites, actually.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 18, 2013, 05:10:18 PM
I like it because it creeps me out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lolzeez on August 18, 2013, 07:16:29 PM
I actually prefer the title track over Belle De Jour. Man,the piano on that track just rules!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 21, 2013, 08:32:59 PM
The Raven That Refused to Sing is part of a movie soundtrack!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLfQ9_WOnNc
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on August 21, 2013, 09:22:53 PM
Probably only exclusive to the trailer, but awesome regardless :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on August 23, 2013, 12:30:07 AM
I was just thinking earlier about the Insurgentes movie. I need to watch that thing again, it's two hours of Steven Wilson being Steven Wilson and it's completely mad, but I love it (probably because it's mad).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 23, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
I love it, too!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 23, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
I'm watching it.... for the first time.

omg :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mindflux on August 24, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
Is this the DVD that comes with Insurgentes or is it a separate disc?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on August 24, 2013, 04:41:45 PM
It's a separate thing.

So, I watched it with one of my flatmates. I think it broke her mind.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 26, 2013, 12:31:25 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on August 26, 2013, 12:32:36 PM
So, about this Drive Home "video EP"... what would it be?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 26, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
So, about this Drive Home "video EP"... what would it be?

from the man himself:
Quote from: Steven Wilson's official Facebook
Jess Cope is also working on a new animated film for Drive Home. There will be a video EP out in time for the tour, which will include this, as well as the earlier video Jess made for The Raven that Refused to Sing, and a couple of live songs filmed in Frankfurt in March this year (different to the ones we already put on YouTube).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 27, 2013, 05:44:48 PM
From Facebook:
Quote
Here are the full contents of the Drive Home video EP - it will be released on Kscope in both Blu-Ray/CD and DVD/CD combinations in October.

Blu-Ray / DVD (running time: 30m video + 11m audio only)

Drive Home (video)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (video)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
The Birthday Party (audio only)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix - audio only)

CD (running time: 30m)

Drive Home (4.08 edit)
The Birthday Party
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)

Here are some pre-emptive answers to possible questions (I tried to think of everything!) :

The new Drive Home video is directed by Jess Cope who also did the beautiful and much acclaimed video to The Raven that Refused to Sing. The video will also be released on the internet.

The all new cover artwork is by Hajo Mueller, based on the characters from the video.

The Birthday Party is an additional (mainly instrumental) song from the sessions for The Raven that Refused to Sing.

All the songs on the Blu-Ray and DVD are mixed in both stereo and 5.1 sound, including the 2 audio only titles.

The audio on the Blu-Ray is full lossless 96/24 throughout.

There won't be any other DVD release from The Raven that Refused to Sing tour.

The CD duplicates most of the contents from the video disc for ease of home/in car listening.

The video for the Raven that Refused to Sing could not previously have been included on the Blu-Ray of the album because it was not ready in time.

There won't be a vinyl edition.

As with the album the audio is again flat transferred from the mixes, no mastering was done.

Despite being a double disc, I wanted it to be priced as an EP, so hopefully very reasonably - I'm waiting for the record company to confirm prices.

The video is for the full length album version of Drive Home, the edit only appears on the CD.
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/p480x480/1238738_620305817989684_2020504830_n.jpg)


edit: sorry, that image should work now...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 27, 2013, 06:19:23 PM
YES


Quote
Due to a lot of requests the 2 live songs from Frankfurt currently on the official YouTube channel, The Watchmaker and The Raven that Refused to Sing, are being added to the Drive Home release. The DVD/BD now runs for one hour, and the CD for 50 minutes. Hmm... I might have a hard time persuading the record company that this is still an EP (-;

The revised running order:

DVD/BD

Drive Home (video)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (video)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
The Watchmaker (live in Frankfurt)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (live in Frankfurt)
The Birthday Party (audio only)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix - audio only)

CD

Drive Home (4.08 edit)
The Birthday Party
The Raven that Refused to Sing (orchestral mix)
The Holy Drinker (live in Frankfurt)
Insurgentes (live in Frankfurt)
The Watchmaker (live in Frankfurt)
The Raven that Refused to Sing (live in Frankfurt)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 28, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
Now I'm buying this....just for TRTRTS live.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on August 28, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
Damn, Steven hits on a lot of great points very quickly and easily, and love that he's trying to price this reasonably, will definitely buy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 29, 2013, 12:34:06 AM
Are preorders up?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 06, 2013, 07:39:02 AM
Watched the TRTRTS video last night for the first time in a while. What a masterpiece!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on September 16, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
preview clip for the Drive Home vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2eB_taAawc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2eB_taAawc)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on September 18, 2013, 01:36:57 PM
Somewhere in this thread there was a discussion about whether the new DT could dethrone TRTRTS. No dice. DT12 is the coaster for the beer I'm sipping while listening to TRTRTS.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on September 18, 2013, 01:37:55 PM
Eh, it does by far in my opinion, but Steven Wilson rocks the fuck out of Haken.
Just making that comparison because I can.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 18, 2013, 01:42:26 PM
I don't think the new DT comes even close to the new SW, and with that said, Raven isn't exactly in my top15 releases for 2013.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 18, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
Raven would be top 3 of 2013 for me. DT12 I don't know where it'd rank, but certainly not there. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on September 18, 2013, 04:29:27 PM
Raven is definitely a top 3 album for me so far, with James Labrie and Kayo Dot being the primary competition.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lucidity on September 18, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
1. The Raven That Refused to Sing
2. The Mountain

And then DT12 is way down somewhere else.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on September 20, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
The Drive Home video is up!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycYewhiaVBk
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on September 20, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
That video is fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 20, 2013, 05:12:58 PM
So damn emotional.  I loved it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: adace on September 20, 2013, 09:33:49 PM
That video is fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 21, 2013, 12:56:06 AM
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. Those bastards really know how to make a person tear up. I straight up bawled when I first watched the Raven vid, and this song isn't as emotional to me but the video is fantastic, and it actually made the song itself more emotional. Wonderful video. 99% of the time I vehemently abhor the shit they call 'music videos' these days, even for most of the bands that I really like, but Wilson and co. know what they're doing and they do it so fucking well. You fuckers. Depress and enthrall me all at once.  :'( :millahhhh :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on September 21, 2013, 04:33:36 AM
Great video, Steven did it once again. :clap:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on September 21, 2013, 04:51:47 AM
That video is fantastic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 21, 2013, 08:55:09 AM
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. Those bastards really know how to make a person tear up. I straight up bawled when I first watched the Raven vid, and this song isn't as emotional to me but the video is fantastic, and it actually made the song itself more emotional. Wonderful video. 99% of the time I vehemently abhor the shit they call 'music videos' these days, even for most of the bands that I really like, but Wilson and co. know what they're doing and they do it so fucking well. You fuckers. Depress and enthrall me all at once.  :'( :millahhhh :heart

Amen to all of this. This, like Raven, is not one of my top songs on the album, but the video DEFINITELY helps it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on September 21, 2013, 09:41:45 AM
So... I caved and bought the Drive Home CD/DVD set... I didn't think I was going to, but then I read up on all what was included and I just had to. Also, new song from the TRTRTS sessions?! Yes please!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lolzeez on September 21, 2013, 10:04:40 AM
The Raven is now my second fav album of the year bypassing Riverside. Thanks to that Drive Home video.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ariich on September 21, 2013, 03:45:47 PM
Just seen both those vids for the first time - absolutely wonderful! :'(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 22, 2013, 10:16:24 AM
wow
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2013, 10:18:51 AM
I probably won't pick the EP up.

Videos - I don't mind videos but I never watch them
Songs - The new unreleased song would be cool I guess, otherwise just live versions of songs i already know

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on October 16, 2013, 12:03:54 AM
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on October 16, 2013, 12:49:46 AM
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).

Which new song is that? Not "The Birthday Party", right? I thought that was less than 4 minutes long...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 16, 2013, 12:58:59 AM
Yeah wat wat wat!?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 16, 2013, 02:30:55 AM
Steven is playing a new song on this tour, much like when he brought out Luminol on the Grace For Drowning-tour. I can't wait to hear it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on October 17, 2013, 01:05:18 PM
He refused to tell us the name of it, referring to it only by "Part Five Of Something" and also by "Lick My Love Pump"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 17, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 17, 2013, 04:37:07 PM
"Lick My Love Pump"

That's what I'm talkin bout :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: sueño on October 17, 2013, 05:42:48 PM
Just seen both those vids for the first time - absolutely wonderful! :'(

me, too.  oh my goodness, yes...   :'(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on October 18, 2013, 12:56:35 AM
Steven Wilson's new song is epic as balls. It's also part of a much longer piece (and it's 15 minutes in itself).
On paper that sounds like an over-the-top and perhaps kind of pretentious idea, but I think (or at least hope) Steven knows how to execute it well :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 18, 2013, 08:55:20 PM
Well that's essentially what "Time Flies" is, eh? I mean, maybe not "epic as balls" (what does that even mean?) but a long and awesome part of a larger piece.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on October 19, 2013, 02:32:52 AM
It means it was good, prefixed by so many instances of the word "really" that the sentence becomes unsustainable.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 20, 2013, 06:10:49 PM
:lol

In other news, I can't hear that word anymore without thinking of Muse and bobbing my head.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nekov on October 21, 2013, 10:52:42 AM
Just came by to say that "Deform to form a star" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. I'm addicted to the joy it makes me feel.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 21, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
Just came by to say that "Deform to form a star" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. I'm addicted to the joy it makes me feel.

Amen Nekov, Amen.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 21, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Yes, very true. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on October 21, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
wait so is there only one new song or are there three? because some setlists have one called "Wreckage," some have one called "Soundtrack to Decline," and some have "Break IT (and you buy it)."  :huh:  ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on October 21, 2013, 11:52:03 PM
Maybe he's gonna premiere every song from the upcoming album on this tour :dangerwillrobinson:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Captain Reddot on October 22, 2013, 02:43:22 AM
When I saw him at the Royal Albert Hall in London, he said, ''Tonight, it's called Wreckage. Tonight, that is.'', so I'm assuming he's changing the name of the song each night. He also specifically told people not to record the new music, so there probably wont be any live recordings of it on youtube.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 22, 2013, 07:16:17 AM
Is he really opening the show with Trains? Nice!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2013, 07:52:56 AM
It seems a bit weird to me that he's playing two PT-songs. I always figured that if he was truly tempted to revisit PT, he would reform the band and they would make an album/tour. If bringing out PT-songs on his solo-tour becomes a permanent thing, he has even less of a reason to reform PT, unless he really really really wants to make another album.

Considering where he is now in his career and the music he is making and with solo album 4 on the way, it doesn't look like he's getting tired of making classic prog rock.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on October 22, 2013, 08:34:53 AM
I feel like classic prog rock has always been a big part of Steven Wilson's sound - both in PT and in his solo project. He may have traded Pink Floyd in for King Crimson and Genesis recently, but I still think even TRTRTS is pretty balanced - a good blend of prog, experimental, metal, shoegaze, and art rock.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2013, 10:17:02 AM
I think Insurgentes has some Shoegaze-y parts, but I don't hear that in Raven. With that said, my post was more about how he has found his "sound" with the solo-stuff now, and putting out album after album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on October 22, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
Yeah, it's the same song (although the RAH one I swear had a flute part which wasn't there at Bristol).

As far as his comments were, I don't think he's interested in revisiting it so much as Radioactive Toy is one he considers to be one of his solo songs (he mentioned that to him OSOL was his "first solo record" and I think Trains is probably there, partly because it's as close to a signature song as he's got, and it's one which can have a pretty good solo accoustic rendition (which fits in with the video having the "busker" playing the same song opposite the tourist information centre.

For anyone interested, the intro video is shot in Hertford.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 22, 2013, 03:32:13 PM
I just think the placement of Trains in the set looks weird. It would make more sense to me if it was an encore-song like Radioactive Toy, not the song that opens the set.

Still, really excited to see him in November.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on October 23, 2013, 05:55:57 AM
He's playing tonight in a venue not even one kilometer from where I am now. Unfortunately I have a gig myself tonight, so I won't be able to make it. To comfort myself, I have just bought the Drive Home Bluray/CD thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on October 23, 2013, 10:14:22 AM
He's playing tonight in a venue not even one kilometer from where I am now. Unfortunately I have a gig myself tonight, so I won't be able to make it. To comfort myself, I have just bought the Drive Home Bluray/CD thing.
I can't make it either :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on October 23, 2013, 10:32:03 AM
Steven will come to Helsinki in November, but it's a Tuesday gig and I can't travel then :-\
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: wasteland on October 23, 2013, 10:48:54 AM
I just think the placement of Trains in the set looks weird. It would make more sense to me if it was an encore-song like Radioactive Toy, not the song that opens the set.

Still, really excited to see him in November.

I agree. Plus being a PT song it should feel like some sort of extra content right? You don't put the appendices at the first chapter :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ich bin besser on October 27, 2013, 04:40:11 PM
It was not the full Trains. Great gig tonight - as usual! And yeah, the new song seems to get a new title every night. It sounded good.
I really like how relaxed Steven got on stage (first saw him in 2003). Might be the Akerfeld influence.  ;)
Oh, and he talked a bit about the passing of Lou Reed and his influence on him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Silver Tears on October 29, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
I've been on such a Steven Wilson binge recently  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 29, 2013, 02:36:45 PM
I ordered the Drive Home bluray for the live tracks.  Getting a high def version of TRTRTS makes me happy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: XB0BX on October 31, 2013, 05:43:44 PM
Guys, TRTRTS is my first SW experience and I LOVE it. Please tell me there's another PT or SW album that sounds like it. None of the PT songs I've heard (I haven't heard many) sound remotely similar to this amazing album, and I'm PRAYING that TRTRTS isn't an aberration. I've been listening to this album nonstop for a month, I can't get enough.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2013, 05:49:25 PM
The closest one (sound-wise) would be Grace For Drowning. Personally I think it's his best album, so I would recommend it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on October 31, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
Agreed. I'd try out Deadwing as well, it doesn't exactly 'sound' like GFD or Raven, but it's got that same, dreary, dreamy, melancholic feel to it. The same 'vibe' i guess...I dunno, it's a recommendation if you liked those..
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2013, 06:22:22 PM
If he's leaning more towards 70's prog rock, I think Signify or The Sky Moves Sideways would be better recommendations if we're talking Porcupine Tree. Those albums are more Pink Floyd-sounding than King Crimson/Yes/Jethro Tull (like on the solo albums), but might be worth checking out. I would still go for Grace For Drowning first.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 31, 2013, 08:58:31 PM
Heartattack In A Layby
The Start of Something Beautiful
Synesthesia

Those are the only ones I can think of at the moment that have the Raven vibe
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 07, 2013, 12:20:19 PM
Happily, Best Buy had the Drive Home EP, so I managed to pick that and the DT Luna Park Blu-ray up in the same trip! #winning
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: sueño on November 07, 2013, 06:39:27 PM
Just came by to say that "Deform to form a star" is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard. I'm addicted to the joy it makes me feel.

Amen Nekov, Amen.

Just now listening to it...gorgeous!   :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 11, 2013, 10:29:42 PM
Limited edition Lasse Hoile shirts and prints- https://www.bricksite.com/mailorderbabies/page1

Of course I ordered myself a Bird-man one to go with my tattoo :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 12, 2013, 02:32:52 AM
I saw those shirts, I like very much but they only seem available in the US so far, unless I'm just not seeing the UK option.

I got a cool grey t-shirt at one of his shows a few weeks back, based on Drive Home. The sizing is crazy though, I got a medium and it's tight even though I'm a UK size 8-10 (US 4-6?)!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on November 12, 2013, 08:38:01 AM
Ugh, I hate that shit! No consistency with sizing. The site for these says they are "true to size" so I ordered a women's large (sometimes I get an XL if I want comfier), but we'll see.

You'd think they'd have a UK option, but I of course didn't look for one. Lame!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on November 12, 2013, 09:26:32 AM
I always hate buying clothing online.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on November 23, 2013, 01:40:27 AM
Going to see SW tonight... Can't wait!!!!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 23, 2013, 03:43:17 AM
Going to see SW tonight... Can't wait!!!!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

You all are lucky... :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on November 23, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
Thanks... I feel very lucky that they are playing so close to where I live especially when I feel slightly removed from everything otherwise. I live in the sticks in a small country, but I'm still 45 min from the second largest city so I get lucky once in a while... gotta go all the way to Copenhagen for DT unfortunately.

The strange thing is I didn't even know who SW was six months ago (a friend asked if I wanted to go see Marco Minneman before we found out Wackerman was drumming instead) and got completely hooked when I heard The Raven and his other releases followed in short order... Just haven't gotten into PT yet (even though I've of them for years... strange).   
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on November 23, 2013, 11:10:41 AM
Dude, I'd say enjoy the show, but that's not really something you need to be told when it's SW.

It'll be amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 23, 2013, 02:42:48 PM
So tomorrow is the big day. Steven Wilson is playing here, but he is also doing a signing at the record store here during the day. While I am really excited for it, I'm also really nervous. I will probably bring my limited deluxe/collectors edition of Raven (because it's the latest one, and quite expensive), and hopefully get it signed. I'll also ask for a picture, and hopefully all of this won't be a problem.

But boy oh boy am I nervous. For some reason the worst case scenarios are spinning through my head, like intense sweating, stuttering or blacking out on normal words, shit like that. Oh well, I'm sure it will be fine.  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on November 23, 2013, 02:53:19 PM
I met him two years ago at a signing in New York. I had a couple of questions in mind but kind of blacked out and was only able to mumble something cheesy along the lines of "thank you for the great music" and asked for an autograph and photo. He was extremely pleasant and spent quite a bit of time answering fan's questions, taking pictures, and signing stuff (and some people had a ton of limited editions/vinyls for him!). Sometimes he comes across as a bit cold in interviews, but he was really pleasant, humble, and genuine in person.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 24, 2013, 10:53:50 AM
I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!

John Wesley was VERY friendly.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on November 24, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!

John Wesley was VERY friendly.

Um, like borderline sexual harassment? Or just, he was a really nice guy?

Just curious   ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 24, 2013, 03:11:43 PM
So I got to meet SW earlier during the signing. Got my limited/deluxe copy of Raven signed, and he was pretty excited since I was the only one up until that point (not sure about people behind me) who brought the "expensive" version. We did take a picture, but sadly it didn't come out very well, and he was also in a bit of a hurry since the line was pretty long, and I assume he wanted to get through the whole line, and probably had a limited time. But still, cool to see him, and got my Raven signed.

Just got home from the concert, and it was incredible. I don't know if it was better than the last time, when I saw him on the Grace-tour, but it was at least equally as fantastic. It was odd getting to hear Trains live, even though it wasn't the full song. The setlist for those who are interested was:

-Intro Video (Bass Communion Song)-
1. Trains
2. Luminol
3. Postcard
4. The Holy Drinker
5. Drive Home
6. New Song (tonight's title: The Hate Beach)
-Watchmaker Intro-
7. The Watchmaker
8. Index
9. Sectarian
10. Harmony Korine
11. Abandoner
12. Raider II (15 minute version)
13. The Raven That Refused to Sing
---Encore---
14. Remainder the Black Dog
15. Happy Returns


Hard to point out specific highlights, but there were a few. I can understand why they cut Raider II, but I also think I prefer the full version which they played the last time. The Raven That Refused to Sing was goosebumps. That song is just so powerful, emotional and beautiful, and the lyrics (and the meaning behind them), the music and the video was just such a powerful combination. Easily one of his best songs in my opinion, and mindblowingly amazing. Watchmaker was also really good, heck, the whole set was good. Only minor complaint would be not getting to hear Radioactive Toy. Just because it would be fun to hear it. I heard Remainder the Black Dog on the Grace-tour, so Radioactive Toy would have been nice. With that said, I really can't complain since it was so good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on November 24, 2013, 03:22:15 PM
So how was the new song, for people who have heard it? What does it sound like?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 24, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
The 15 minute new song with different titles was really cool. It had maybe 3-4 different sections, and the first part had a very electronic-influenced keyboard-sound, and reminded me a lot of songs like Sleep Together and The Incident. The middle-section was a bit more classic prog, and the guitars reminded me a lot of Signify, and the vibe the guitars have both in that song, but also the whole album. The last section or so of the song was pretty heavy, everything sort of reaching a climax. All in all I really liked it. It had all those elements that are familiar in many songs on Grace and Raven, but also didn't sound like a rehash of the same ideas.

As for Happy Returns, that song was similar to Deform to Form a Star and Trains. Acoustic-guitar, piano, SW doing his trademark singing harmonies, and a pretty catchy and melodic song. 5-6 minutes or so, also pretty nice.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on November 24, 2013, 10:44:05 PM
Wow, he is playing Abandoner now?  Sweet!!

I still wish he'd play Salvaging live. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on November 24, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
It was also an unbelievable show saturday night as well!

Here's the set list:

Trains
Luminol
Postcard
The Holy Drinker
Drive Home
Untitled New Song
(this time introduced as Regret Nr. 5)
The Watchmaker Video
The Watchmaker
Index
Sectarian
Harmony Korine
Raider II  (15 min)
The Raven That Refused to Sing
Encore:
Happy Returns
(New Song)
Radioactive Toy

Again just a fantastic experience!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 25, 2013, 03:47:31 AM
Wow, he is playing Abandoner now?  Sweet!!

I still wish he'd play Salvaging live.

I hope he brings out Salvaging as well, that song is killer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on November 25, 2013, 08:21:48 AM
When he built up to Drive Home (I think that was it anyway) he told how he wasn't really a musician like the other members of his band and how he had to use kind of a story to get his ideas across...

So anyway, he ended up telling a story (little by little with guitar examples from Guthrie along the way) of the lonely Swede lost in the forest being chased by a troll....

So I was wondering if it was the lonely Dane he talked about at the show in Sweden (or something completely different)... Maybe he felt kind of bad and that's why you guys got Abandoner (doesn't look like anything was substituted from Friday night, just an extra song and different encore... You lucky bastards  ;D)

I was also pleasantly surprised to see that the show wasn't exactly the same as earlier legs of the tour and I really liked the opening video sequence and the way he opened the show not to mention the surround (or quad or whatever it was) sound.... And the list goes on.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on November 25, 2013, 08:38:33 AM
SW on the Raven tour was easily one of my favorite concert experiences ever. Guthrie Govan improvising a different solo to Drive Home and almost improving on the gorgeous original solo was just too good to be true. People were screaming out of disbelief when that happened.

WAY better than when I saw him on the Grace for Drowning tour, which was amazing still. The man just keeps delivering and destroying any expectations you might have. His creative genius seems to know no boundaries.  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 25, 2013, 08:47:07 AM
When he built up to Drive Home (I think that was it anyway) he told how he wasn't really a musician like the other members of his band and how he had to use kind of a story to get his ideas across...

So anyway, he ended up telling a story (little by little with guitar examples from Guthrie along the way) of the lonely Swede lost in the forest being chased by a troll....

So I was wondering if it was the lonely Dane he talked about at the show in Sweden (or something completely different)... Maybe he felt kind of bad and that's why you guys got Abandoner (doesn't look like anything was substituted from Friday night, just an extra song and different encore... You lucky bastards  ;D)

I was also pleasantly surprised to see that the show wasn't exactly the same as earlier legs of the tour and I really liked the opening video sequence and the way he opened the show not to mention the surround (or quad or whatever it was) sound.... And the list goes on.

He called it the lonely Swede here in Sweden too.   :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Rob801 on November 25, 2013, 11:08:38 AM
I guess that would be our fault... He started that whole part by asking the audience who the Danes biggest rivals were and there was a resounding "The Swedes" from the audience and then he took it from there... I'm not a Dane (although after 17 years I'm mostly integrated) so please don't hold it against me ;).

One of the musical highlights for me (again one of many) was the "shaker/bass/flute" section of Holy Drinker (from 5:11 on the album... I love that section with Beggs on the shaker/tambourine and Wilson on the bass...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: nightmare_cinema on November 26, 2013, 07:31:31 AM
I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!

John Wesley was VERY friendly.

Um, like borderline sexual harassment? Or just, he was a really nice guy?

Just curious   ;)

Lol he was just drunk and really huggy, slightly wet cheek kisses when we left, my boyfriend at the time and I were like um... he was lovely though! Nothing inappropriate.

The new song was called 'Soundtrack to Decline' at the gig I attended, I thought it was incredible, and not in a fangirl omg I love Wilson kinda way. It normally takes me a while to get into new songs, I remember hearing Anaesthetize for the first time live before it was released and being underwhelmed. But this song, yeah, it was beautiful. It was almost like a mellow mix between Massive Attack and chilled drum and bass for a while, with gorgeous vocals and some kick ass riffs from about halfway through until the end, it's difficult to recall all of it now, but it was very atmospheric, and emotive. A friend who saw it at a different gig said he agreed with Wilson that the song might sound as though it dragged a bit but I honestly enjoyed every second and could have listened to it for hours, even if it was more of the same!

Seriously excited to hear it on the album whenever it comes out... it was just beautiful. Totally cannot wait.

I wished Govan hadn't have improvised quite as much with the Drive Home solo though, the album version is one of the greatest solos I've ever heard but live it was altered to such an extent that a lot of the details and frills and stuff I love were either changed or omitted. I know some people prefer bands to mix it up a bit live, though, I often do but on this occasion I think I would have liked it a little more like the CD.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on November 26, 2013, 08:12:48 AM
I guess I was lucky I experienced TRTRTS in reverse. I wasn't even aware he had a new album when I went to the concert. So, I was blown away by the live version of it (including Guthrie's improvisations), but I didn't know the "proper version", so I didn't mind.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on November 26, 2013, 08:35:25 AM
It's hard for me to get blown away by stuff I haven't heard before, in a live setting. Like I said, I did like the two new songs he played, but I really need to get familiar with the stuff before I can fully enjoy it. If I hadn't heard Raven and went to this show, I would probably stand around a lot of the time just being unable to take anything in. For me at least, being familiar with the material beforehand is really important.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on November 26, 2013, 08:51:59 AM
Agreed, if I'm going to a concert where I'm unfamiliar with the artist I usually make sure I've listened to all the songs they're going to play.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Fisi on November 26, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Waiting... In the front row. :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on November 26, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
I met him around eight years ago in a bar next to the venue they were playing at, he was a really nice guy. Took the time to hang out and chat for about 20-30 minutes even though he'd come in with friends after the gig, had a drink with us and was really pleasant and friendly. So cool to meet him!

John Wesley was VERY friendly.

Um, like borderline sexual harassment? Or just, he was a really nice guy?

Just curious   ;)
It was almost like a mellow mix between Massive Attack and chilled drum and bass for a while.

I am so excited to hear this now!

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I wished Govan hadn't have improvised quite as much with the Drive Home solo though, the album version is one of the greatest solos I've ever heard but live it was altered to such an extent that a lot of the details and frills and stuff I love were either changed or omitted. I know some people prefer bands to mix it up a bit live, though, I often do but on this occasion I think I would have liked it a little more like the CD.

When I saw SW Guthrie did a solo that was fairly similar to what he did on the album. It's the way Guthrie is, he improvs whenever he can.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Fisi on November 29, 2013, 09:07:38 AM
Waiting... In the front row. :metal
And oh my God how awesome it was! The intro video was really cool and weird in a good way and built the tension until Steven finally walked on stage and performed the acoustic version of Trains. It actually worked very well as an opening song and didn't feel out of place at all. When the whole band arrived on stage and started Luminol, it was just pure perfection that lasted until the last note of the show.

The new songs were really cool, especially the long untitled one. It had an interesting mixture of atmosphere and heaviness and overall I thought it was quite different to the Raven stuff. Happy Returns was a great ballad, not much to say about it after only one listen. Based on these two songs it's pretty justified to have really high expectations for the upcoming album.  :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on November 29, 2013, 10:47:06 AM
He is playing an acoustic version of Trains? I thought it was just the regular live version of the song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Fisi on November 29, 2013, 11:01:18 AM
Yeah, it's only Steven with his voice and an acoustic guitar.  :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on November 29, 2013, 11:28:34 AM
It's hard for me to get blown away by stuff I haven't heard before, in a live setting. Like I said, I did like the two new songs he played, but I really need to get familiar with the stuff before I can fully enjoy it. If I hadn't heard Raven and went to this show, I would probably stand around a lot of the time just being unable to take anything in. For me at least, being familiar with the material beforehand is really important.

It all depends on the band and the music. If I had never heard DT before and saw them live, it would be too much to take in. But, SW's don't lose sight of the song; there's an awesome  instrumental section, but it's perfectly embedded in the song.
Spock's Beard is another band who I had never heard of before seeing them live, and my jaw dropped to the floor when seeing them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on November 29, 2013, 11:41:02 AM
Yeah, it's only Steven with his voice and an acoustic guitar.  :)

And a video of Hertford.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on December 16, 2013, 11:26:02 PM
Deform to Form A Star <3
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Captain Reddot on December 17, 2013, 02:22:04 AM
So anyway, he ended up telling a story (little by little with guitar examples from Guthrie along the way) of the lonely Swede lost in the forest being chased by a troll....

I always thought the lonely Swede was referring to Mikael Akerfeldt :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 25, 2013, 08:47:23 PM
Been listening to The Raven... a lot since I got about a week ago, and I like it more every time I listen to it. It's probably my #2 for this year (though that doesn't say much, I haven't heard many albums this year :lol).

Anyway, does anyone else think Steven is trying out new things, as far as his vocals go? I'm thinking specifically of The Pin Drop and The Holy Drinker, where it seems like he sings in ways we haven't heard him do before.

Just a thought I had, entirely free, and likely worth what it costs. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 25, 2013, 10:37:33 PM
I agree. He definitely sounds different at times on this album and I support it :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on December 27, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
Been listening to The Raven... a lot since I got about a week ago, and I like it more every time I listen to it. It's probably my #2 for this year (though that doesn't say much, I haven't heard many albums this year :lol).

Anyway, does anyone else think Steven is trying out new things, as far as his vocals go? I'm thinking specifically of The Pin Drop and The Holy Drinker, where it seems like he sings in ways we haven't heard him do before.

Just a thought I had, entirely free, and likely worth what it costs. :P

Somewhere (I don't remember where) he was talking about different vocal styles. The only one I specifically remember was Pin Drop, he was talking about opening up his throat more and just letting the voice come out. If I come across it I'll post it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 27, 2013, 01:42:49 PM
Ooo, definitely do that, I'd be interested in hearing it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Outcrier on December 27, 2013, 04:45:42 PM
Been listening to The Raven... a lot since I got about a week ago, and I like it more every time I listen to it. It's probably my #2 for this year (though that doesn't say much, I haven't heard many albums this year :lol).

:clap: Never saw someone say this ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 27, 2013, 04:47:13 PM
Well, I should clarify. I haven't heard many 2013 releases. I've listened to a number of albums, but most of them are not recent releases.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 27, 2013, 05:13:19 PM
I can't stress this enough, but I really really really want something else than a 70's prog rock album for his next solo album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 27, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
Honestly, I don't think it's really that much of a 70s prog album. There's definitely influences there, but it's mostly just SW. Maybe I just haven't heard enough 70s prog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 27, 2013, 07:32:52 PM
There is a lot of 70's influence, but it's also very modern in many ways.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Scrub206 on December 27, 2013, 10:45:30 PM
Ooo, definitely do that, I'd be interested in hearing it.

It wasn't talked about as much as I remembered but here's where I read about it:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/steven-wilson-talks-the-raven-that-refused-to-sing-and-other-stories-570809/1
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on December 28, 2013, 02:25:26 AM
I've noticed Steven's different vocals as well... It's cool that he still tries some new tricks after all these years :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on December 30, 2013, 12:17:58 AM
Honestly, I don't think it's really that much of a 70s prog album. There's definitely influences there, but it's mostly just SW. Maybe I just haven't heard enough 70s prog.

Nah, it is not a 70s prog album, despite Zantera saying it now like 1,744 times. :lol :lol :lol

Sure, there are classic prog influences on there, but it is still very much a Steven Wilson record, and his records, since the mid 90s, have always had a lot of modernness to them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 30, 2013, 03:53:03 AM
Apart from the sound of the album itself, everything about the music is taken straight out of the 70's. Sure, it sounds like a 2013 album, but who cares. The album basically is a tribute to the 70's prog rock that Steven grew up with and loves, so I don't see why calling it a "70s prog rock album" is wrong. Apart from being released in 2013, many of these songs have that retro sound. There's nothing really modern about the music itself, it's not like an album like Deadwing or even Insurgentes, where the music might have some older influences, but it sounds very clean and modern.

It's kinda fascinating to see SW's transformation though. Just a couple of years ago he hated on bands who did retro-sounding prog with influences from the 70's, and saying bands like that were "regressive" and didn't really move the genre forward in any way, and now he is doing the exact same thing himself. I guess he has done that before (say one thing and do another), but it's still quite interesting to see.

At least GfD had some restraint, but Raven really felt like endless jams that would go on forever in most of the songs on the album. He seems almost obsessed at this point with the idea of having the perfect band that is capable of doing everything, and it could easily turn into a wankfest with long and unnecessary solos. I think there are a few moments like that on Raven where songs have unnecessary jams thrown in (Drive Home for example I would have liked a bit more in a simpler version) and I just hope it doesn't reach a point where every song has to be "progressive". I'm really happy the title track is the way it is,and that it didn't lead up to a huge climactic jam with a drum solo, guitar solo and keyboard solo at the end.

After The Incident which was pretty disappointing, and when GfD came out, I didn't care if PT was dead since I loved GfD so much, but now I really miss PT. I'll be excited for another SW-album as well, but a new direction in the music would be really refreshing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on December 30, 2013, 04:35:46 AM
I wouldn't say TRTRTS is a pure 70s prog album, but it's certainly the least modern-sounding record Steven has made solo or with PT (maybe with the exception of OTSOL - I still haven't heard it). Even The Sky Moves Sideways, which some people consider total Pink Floyd worship, has a lot of modern elements IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on December 30, 2013, 04:37:39 AM
While I abhor DT's pointless noodling, I can not say that TRTRTS contains a single instance of that.
If I had to describe the album, I would say it's modern SW meets Jazz. A direction I always had hoped DT would take, but they never did and never will.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 30, 2013, 04:44:40 AM
I always thought GfD was a bit more jazz than Raven, but I guess the element is still in the music. I don't mind the jazz-part at all really. Theo Travis is one of my favorite things about his band.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 30, 2013, 05:17:53 AM
I think TRTRTS is easily more of a concise record than GfD. I love GfD, but some of the songs seem to just go on forever...

In terms of progginess, I think they're about the same. I don't think TRTRTS is really *that* much more proggy than GfD. I can hear how it sounds a bit more retro, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on December 30, 2013, 08:01:43 AM
Maybe it's the mellotron and flute that make some people think "retro," but since when should two such awesome instruments be viewed as only belonging to one decade?

And where does Drive Home have an unnecessary jam? Or any jam for that matter?  If you are talking about the guitar solo, then I have to say WTF.  That is the climax of the song, and it seems completely natural, and the way the "Drive home" lines come back in near the end is so damn great.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on December 30, 2013, 08:07:18 AM
It might be just a case of familiarity, similar to how I felt with Weather Systems by Anathema. At this point, the album didn't feel that fresh, and to me was overshadowed by the album that came before. I don't necessarily expect a band or artist to change on every album, and while some albums could have minor differences, they could still feel similar in other ways. I think the two ways you could go about a new album is either a) continue with what you did on the previous album, try to take that up a few levels and make an even better album in a similar style, or b) try something different. While Raven and GfD are different, I would still say they are the two "most alike" albums SW has done in his career in quite some time. Considering how much I liked GfD, I don't see him topping that album with another album in this "style", and it would be more interesting for me to see him try something else.

That's just my opinion though. I know others might say "more of the same is good", and that's fine if you like that. If Raven had come out before GfD and they were switched, I would probably also have felt a bit underwhelmed by two albums being so similar. I would love another solo album like Insurgentes. That album explored a lot of interesting genres, and a lot of things SW hadn't done that much before, and it would be interesting to see.

Regarding Drive Home, I don't mind the guitar solo that much, but the drums kinda derail the song for me. I think you can have a climax to a softer song if you do it right, but you have to build up to it. Drive Home is very basic for the most of the song, and the ending just feels kinda "thrown" into the mix. I do like the guitar solo, but the ending doesn't have to drag on for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 30, 2013, 08:25:44 AM
I don't think GfD and Raven are all that similar. Yeah, they have similar elements, but the albums have a totally different feel to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 30, 2013, 08:31:19 AM
I don't think GfD and Raven are all that similar. Yeah, they have similar elements, but the albums have a totally different feel to me.

Agreed.

I don't feel any anxiety at all that Steven Wilson won't mix it up yet again for his 4th solo album. But classic prog has always been a major part of his sound. Mostly it's just been Pink Floyd and stuff, but I guess he's traded them in for King Crimson.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on December 30, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
Yeah, same here. I mean, duh, both are clearly Steven Wilson albums, but Raven has an energy to it that GfD doesn't, IMHO. They're miles apart in my book.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 30, 2013, 11:11:03 AM
I don't think they sound much alike, either. Grace For Drowning is still my favorite, btw.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on December 30, 2013, 12:04:33 PM
Yeah, same here. I mean, duh, both are clearly Steven Wilson albums, but Raven has an energy to it that GfD doesn't, IMHO. They're miles apart in my book.
Agreed.

GFD is very sterile, very plodding and needlessly drawn out at times. Plus, it's the one most guilty of trying to sound like a prog album from the 70's; namely it really wants to be a King Crimson album.

Raven, otoh, while it's also heavily influenced by 70's era prog, it spreads its influences around a bit more and sounds more fresh as a result. It's also not that long of an album and that helps a bit too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on December 31, 2013, 12:20:00 AM
I love them both but yes, Raven has more energy to it. GfD is quieter, which isn't a bad thing, just way different. And yeah, GfD is way more seventies prog...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on January 01, 2014, 07:18:38 AM
Posting this here, as it's a Steven Wilson project. Blackfield Survivor has just started over at Polls/Survivors.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40315.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=40315.0)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 02, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
https://www.facebook.com/StevenWilsonHQ/posts/684038771616388:0

Happy new year everyone! Thanks for the love and support you brought to my music in 2013, I can’t remember having a better response to an album / tour, and I’ve been doing this a long time, so that means a lot (-:

Usually at this time of year I like to post something of an update regarding what’s coming up. Last year there was a lot to announce with the imminent release of the album and touring plans but this year will be somewhat quieter while I concentrate on developing ideas and material for the next album, which I plan to record with my band in the Summer.

In the meantime there are a few reissues planned, including a compiled reissue of the Cover Version singles, a CD box set collecting various out of print Bass Communion titles, plus several more classic album stereo / 5.1 remixes, including the next in the series by XTC, Jethro Tull and Yes. Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.

In terms of public appearances I will be playing a few shows with Aviv Geffen as part of Blackfield, a short run in European in February, you can find more information and ticket links on the Blackfield website, here - https://blackfieldmusic.com/live-dates/

Of course all developments will be announced here and on the official https://stevenwilsonhq.com site first. All that is left for me to do is wish you the very best for 2014!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 02, 2014, 12:01:44 PM
Yay for a new album in the works, though I was hoping for more touring.

Interesting about the IA 10th anniversary thing...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 02, 2014, 01:01:50 PM
I'd be curious to hear a remaster of IA. . . . .

I was also hoping for a PT album but I'm not surprised that there is not mention of a possible new album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TimmyHiggy on January 03, 2014, 07:01:02 AM
I never really clicked that much with most SW stuff. I LIKE his stuff in PT, and some of his solo stuff, but I absolutely adore TRTRTS, its just an awesome album from start to finish and I gave it my personal album of the year award, I hope the next album is more of the same!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on January 03, 2014, 07:33:24 AM
Grace for Drowning - The Raven:

Good band - Amazing band
Good songs - Amazing songs (Postcard and Deform are bettered by both Drive Home and the title track)
Good production - Amazing production (especially the drum sound and VOCALS. GfD's vocals sound dull in a way, like the mic didn't pick up enough treble).

I appreciate the meandering vibes of GfD, but as a whole, it just seems incoherent. Even the two discs apart, there are so many stylistic contrasts, it just doesn't work all too well.

Raider II is still the best thing ever by SW though.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 03, 2014, 07:48:59 AM
I will agree on the points that Raven has a better band overall and a better sound. Raven does sound really good. Interestingly enough, I find GfD to be probably one of the worst sounding SW-albums. It's not awful or anything, but the production makes it sound a bit muddy, and not very clean (like you normally expect from SW). It's also mixed in a very special way where the quiet points are really quiet and the loud parts are really loud, and my complaint about GfD would really be the sound of it.

So it's almost surprising to myself that I love it so much. It's hard to say why, it just has something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nick on January 03, 2014, 11:27:31 AM
I can think of fewer albums that need a remaster less than In Absentia. Just get the 5.1 DVD-A, it's amazing. I don't know how you could really want for more after that.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on January 03, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
I thought the same thing... It's a bit odd, although I am intrigued with what improvements will be made. New album news is always awesome, but I think we all pretty much expected it at some point within the next couple years. Still badass.  :tup :tup  :millahhhh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on January 03, 2014, 12:19:04 PM
I can think of fewer albums that need a remaster less than In Absentia. Just get the 5.1 DVD-A, it's amazing. I don't know how you could really want for more after that.

While I agree I think it may be a different mix and a different way of listen.  Color me interested.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Big Hath on January 03, 2014, 01:49:25 PM
If I recall correctly, I don't think SW did the IA surround mixes.  Maybe he just wants his shot at doing it himself.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on January 03, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.

Now this interests me greatly. Of all of their sessions, this one got the most non-album tracks in recent history, many of which weren't readily available to the public. The album itself had only 12 tracks, but not included in them were at least 6 more: "Collapse" (the original intro and bookending track to match the closer), "Meantime", "Orchidia" (I think originally a track from the Lightbulb Sun sessions but released with IA tunes), "Futile", "Drown With Me", and "Chloroform".

I would love a chance to hear all of these tracks, together, with the same mixing and mastering, as one whole set, especially with the non-album tracks mixed in so as to include "Collapse" at the beginning of the album as it was intended. I really hope SW can get to work on this, but it seems less likely now that we're past the 11th anniversary of the album. A shame...maybe a 10th Anniversary Edition of Deadwing in 2015 could be in order, with all of ITS non-album tracks thrown in?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 04, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.

Now this interests me greatly. Of all of their sessions, this one got the most non-album tracks in recent history, many of which weren't readily available to the public. The album itself had only 12 tracks, but not included in them were at least 6 more: "Collapse" (the original intro and bookending track to match the closer), "Meantime", "Orchidia" (I think originally a track from the Lightbulb Sun sessions but released with IA tunes), "Futile", "Drown With Me", and "Chloroform".

I would love a chance to hear all of these tracks, together, with the same mixing and mastering, as one whole set, especially with the non-album tracks mixed in so as to include "Collapse" at the beginning of the album as it was intended. I really hope SW can get to work on this, but it seems less likely now that we're past the 11th anniversary of the album. A shame...maybe a 10th Anniversary Edition of Deadwing in 2015 could be in order, with all of ITS non-album tracks thrown in?

-Marc.

not chuffed about this either. there are also the demos of "Cut Ribbon" and "Imogen Slaughter" that haven't been released officially yet (though he finally finished CR for GFD) for further bonus content. as Big Hath mentioned, SW didn't mix the surround, either... so if he redid that and included all the bonus stuff, i'd be all over that!

interesting that you brought up DW — it was released by Lava as well, so it may have the same contractual problems as IA. iirc, that's why "Mother & Child Divided" wasn't released anywhere except on the DVD-A. that'd be another tasty anniversary issue, though, as SW has mentioned he wishes he'd made "Half-Light" the closing track (a decision with which i completely agree) and DW is also the loudest, clippiest PT mastering job.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on January 04, 2014, 04:45:35 PM
I'd love to have a compilation similar to Recordings, consisting of material from IA and DW (not sure if there's any unreleased material from FOABP or The Incident) instead of anniversary releases. But I'm sure that wouldn't be possible with the contract situation.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on January 04, 2014, 06:03:40 PM
If I recall correctly, I don't think SW did the IA surround mixes.  Maybe he just wants his shot at doing it himself.

I think it was Elliot Scheiner who is a master himself.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on January 05, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
I'm completely OK with 'Glass Arm Shattering' as the closing track. Works a bit similar to Pink Floyd's 'Eclipse'.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on January 05, 2014, 01:27:38 PM
Unfortunately contractual issues have so far made a hoped for 10th anniversary edition remaster collecting all the music from Porcupine Tree's “In Absentia” sessions not possible - hopefully that situation will change.

Now this interests me greatly. Of all of their sessions, this one got the most non-album tracks in recent history, many of which weren't readily available to the public. The album itself had only 12 tracks, but not included in them were at least 6 more: "Collapse" (the original intro and bookending track to match the closer), "Meantime", "Orchidia" (I think originally a track from the Lightbulb Sun sessions but released with IA tunes), "Futile", "Drown With Me", and "Chloroform".

I would love a chance to hear all of these tracks, together, with the same mixing and mastering, as one whole set, especially with the non-album tracks mixed in so as to include "Collapse" at the beginning of the album as it was intended. I really hope SW can get to work on this, but it seems less likely now that we're past the 11th anniversary of the album. A shame...maybe a 10th Anniversary Edition of Deadwing in 2015 could be in order, with all of ITS non-album tracks thrown in?

-Marc.

not chuffed about this either. there are also the demos of "Cut Ribbon" and "Imogen Slaughter" that haven't been released officially yet (though he finally finished CR for GFD) for further bonus content. as Big Hath mentioned, SW didn't mix the surround, either... so if he redid that and included all the bonus stuff, i'd be all over that!

interesting that you brought up DW — it was released by Lava as well, so it may have the same contractual problems as IA. iirc, that's why "Mother & Child Divided" wasn't released anywhere except on the DVD-A. that'd be another tasty anniversary issue, though, as SW has mentioned he wishes he'd made "Half-Light" the closing track (a decision with which i completely agree) and DW is also the loudest, clippiest PT mastering job.

Ever since I got a hold of the DW non-album tracks, I've always put "Half-Light" at the end, no matter what. I would LOVE to see the album reworked to include all of the non-album tracks and with "Half-Light" at the end, as SW intended at one point. It gives it that somber feel that Signify, Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun, and In Absentia had with their closers.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 05, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
I've never heard the studio version of Half-Light, but the version on the Anesthetize DVD is sublime.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on January 05, 2014, 02:44:38 PM
Half-Light >>> Glass Arm Shattering
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on January 05, 2014, 09:14:07 PM
I've never heard the studio version of Half-Light, but the version on the Anesthetize DVD is sublime.

agreed, they had a brilliant arrangement on that tour and it was captured perfectly.

the studio version is definitely sublime too, but it has a different feeling, or maybe just different colours of the same one. i find the studio intro with the rain and the woman softly saying "david..." before the keyboards begin is completely divine — high on my list of favourite PT moments, even though i have no idea about the context (the details of the film plot aren't really out there to understand significance). i just wish it didn't fade out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on January 13, 2014, 08:22:38 PM
This may interest some people...

Quote from: Steven Wilson's FaceBook page
A second edition repress of Tonefloat’s deluxe box set of Steven’s I.E.M. project is now available to pre-order for release in late Jan / early Feb. The set comes in a beautiful Carl Glover designed deluxe hardback slipcase, containing a 60 page booklet and 4 CDs, each housed in its own mini album sleeve, representing all of the recordings that Steven made under the name of I.E.M. (Incredible Expanding Mindfuck) between 1996-2001.

https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/i-e-m-complete-4-cd-box-set-repress-pre-order/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on January 14, 2014, 12:40:50 AM
Oh yeah, I saw this earlier and I'm curious but I'm not sure if I'm $70 curious.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on January 14, 2014, 06:02:08 AM
Half-Light >>> Glass Arm Shattering

Glass Arm Shattering>>>Half-Life

Glass Arm is the best song off DW.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2014, 06:20:39 AM
Glass Arm Shattering is okay, but Half-Light is way better imo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on January 14, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
Half-Light >>> Glass Arm Shattering

Glass Arm Shattering>>>Half-Life

Glass Arm is the best song off DW.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Half-Life_Cover_Art.jpg)

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: BRGM on February 02, 2014, 10:08:55 AM
Just got the Drive Home EP and it's pretty great, though I'm a little confused about the mixing on The Watchmaker. You can barely hear Theo and Adam. Nicks voice is pretty low as well. I wonder what that's all about. Insurgentes is fantastic though, splendid version of the song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xersiz on February 05, 2014, 12:15:41 PM

A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on February 05, 2014, 12:17:54 PM
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P
:iagree:

The Watchmaker is actually my least favorite song on the album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 05, 2014, 12:27:36 PM
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P
:iagree:

The Watchmaker is actually my least favorite song on the album.

Same here...the best song on the album is the title track epic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Konrad on February 05, 2014, 01:04:03 PM
Steven Wilson is getting my attention. Never heard anything from him, just a few Porcupine Tree stuff and "Drive Home", which i didn't really like.

Recommend me something! Where should i start?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lucidity on February 05, 2014, 01:05:20 PM
A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P
:iagree:

The Watchmaker is actually my least favorite song on the album.

I agree. I still love the Watchmaker, I really do, but I maintain that the last two or so minutes of the Watchmaker are the only things keeping the album from being absolutely flawless.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xersiz on February 05, 2014, 01:08:42 PM
Steven Wilson is getting my attention. Never heard anything from him, just a few Porcupine Tree stuff and "Drive Home", which i didn't really like.

Recommend me something! Where should i start?

As a HUUUUUGE Steven Wilson fan, i think you should listen Arriving Somewhere but Not Here, Luminol and Sky Moves Sideways which will give you great insight on his proggy side and if you have more of a metal taste like half of this forum you should listen fear of a blank planet, sound of muzak and shallow :D these are my favourites :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 05, 2014, 01:11:33 PM
Listen to the first two tracks on In Absentia. That sure got me hooked!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Konrad on February 05, 2014, 01:18:55 PM
As a HUUUUUGE Steven Wilson fan, i think you should listen Arriving Somewhere but Not Here, Luminol and Sky Moves Sideways which will give you great insight on his proggy side and if you have more of a metal taste like half of this forum you should listen fear of a blank planet, sound of muzak and shallow :D these are my favourites :D
Listen to the first two tracks on In Absentia. That sure got me hooked!

Sweet! Thank you!  :tup  :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 05, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
I'd throw in the Fear of a Blank Planet album as well, even if it's just for Anesthetize. That album got me hooked on everything Steven Wilson!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 06, 2014, 06:10:53 AM

A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P

IMO Drive Home is the best song SW has released from the last three solo albums.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 06, 2014, 09:59:03 AM
Just got the Drive Home EP and it's pretty great, though I'm a little confused about the mixing on The Watchmaker. You can barely hear Theo and Adam. Nicks voice is pretty low as well. I wonder what that's all about. Insurgentes is fantastic though, splendid version of the song.

I had the same thing. There's two audio options on the BR, try the other one!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: BRGM on February 06, 2014, 11:31:45 AM
Just got the Drive Home EP and it's pretty great, though I'm a little confused about the mixing on The Watchmaker. You can barely hear Theo and Adam. Nicks voice is pretty low as well. I wonder what that's all about. Insurgentes is fantastic though, splendid version of the song.

I had the same thing. There's two audio options on the BR, try the other one!

Yeah I figured that would do it, cuz the CD mix is wonderful, it's one of the greatest live mixes I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Fisi on February 19, 2014, 11:02:31 AM
I heard two buskers playing Trains today. They were awesome, I regret so hard not going back and giving them some money.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f7KZ8JyBRQ

This is a good interview & I agree with most of what he says. However - I use decent headphones in my iPhone ( not earbuds ) and I only ever import at 320kbps.

At home I of course listen to music on my speakers and I import CDs into iTunes at almost WAV quality.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xersiz on February 19, 2014, 11:41:26 AM

A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P

Dear past me,

Umm, i hate you pretentious idiot, watchmaker is the greatest song ever made and has one of the greatest guitar solos ever...idiot  >:(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 19, 2014, 11:44:16 AM

A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P

Dear past me,

Umm, i hate you pretentious idiot, watchmaker is the greatest song ever made and has one of the greatest guitar solos ever...idiot  >:(

personal attack. reported.

:P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on February 19, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f7KZ8JyBRQ

This is a good interview & I agree with most of what he says. However - I use decent headphones in my iPhone ( not earbuds ) and I only ever import at 320kbps.

At home I of course listen to music on my speakers and I import CDs into iTunes at almost WAV quality.
Very interesting, thanks.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 19, 2014, 01:38:48 PM
I have five Steven Wilson-related albums on my iPod.

It's a good feeling. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 19, 2014, 04:14:50 PM
I try not to listen to any music less than 320kbps. Music at 192kbps is a no-no for me.

I still buy CDs - and If I buy music online - I try to find out the quality of it before I pay.

I'm certainly no audiophile - but I do try to have high quality music.


I do agree that listening to really low quality mp3 on shitty iPod earbuds is just a horrible way to listen to music.

It's double worse if you actually use your iPhone speakers.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 19, 2014, 05:46:13 PM
256kbps for me. Anything equal to or above that is fine to my ears.

And yeah, those earbuds are terrible.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 19, 2014, 06:43:50 PM
guys I'm standing in a CD store right now and I can only afford one of the following, either The Raven that refused to sing (the regular version) or the special edition of the first album. which one should I get?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2014, 06:52:05 PM
Raven!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 19, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
I would say Insurgentes is the better album by far, but since I know you're more into Prog, Raven is probably a better pick.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 19, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
I'm not necessarily all frog but in the end I did decide to go for Raven. It works better into the budget because I also found an old iq album on sale. I also picked up the brand new Spock's Beard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 19, 2014, 07:13:12 PM
stupid talk to text. Lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
The Dude's phone does not abide.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 19, 2014, 08:09:42 PM
Whoa  :lol

At least you're not all frog. I wonder though...which part of you is?  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
His legs, in a speedo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 19, 2014, 08:13:17 PM
 :rollin

I was listening to Raven on the way home.   First impression is that I was really surprised at how "prog rock" it was.   I had only heard the title track, so I was expecting an album's worth of slightly more ambient material....maybe a hair closer to Storm Corrosion.   It actually rocks a bit harder than I expected.

I really enjoyed it.   REALLY gives me a Signify/Stupid Dream-era kinda vibe.    Other than the songs being longer, I feel like the "feel" of the songs really hearkens back to the PT of that period. 

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 19, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
His legs, in a speedo.

This is spot on.   

To quote Red Dwarf:

"Have you ever been in dissection class held up a frog by its head? You know the way its belly sort of sticks out above its spindly little legs? Well, that's the picture I see when you get down from the bunk in the morning."

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sacul on February 21, 2014, 12:03:14 PM
New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 21, 2014, 12:06:16 PM
Holy crap that dude works fast. :lol

Can't say I mind, though, last two have been incredible.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 21, 2014, 12:06:35 PM
New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/

Great news! But this also means no chance of PT returning til at least 2016 now.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 21, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
I'm feeling like the chances of PT ever coming back are getting smaller and smaller.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on February 21, 2014, 12:09:23 PM
As long as he does what he wants to do, that's great. I don't want him to return to PT because of the fans until he wants to.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 21, 2014, 12:13:13 PM
I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on February 21, 2014, 12:16:13 PM
I'm feeling like the chances of PT ever coming back are getting smaller and smaller.
Same. Which is a shame, cos I like pop-Wilson way more than prog-Wilson, but if it's not where he is, he shouldn't force it.

His solo stuff's not essential like Porcupine Tree was, for me - I skipped Grace for Drowning completely - but TRTRTS did surprise me, I liked it a lot more than I thought I would, so a bit more Wilson in the world can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 21, 2014, 12:27:05 PM
I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.

It is too jazzy at times, and Richard Barbieri hates jazz, so good luck getting him to play a lot of that material.  Plus, his solo stuff has a lot of emphasis on playing, while PT was never a band that was about flashy playing.  Big, big difference. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2014, 12:27:54 PM
40 albums in 20 years and some bands can barely manage one a decade :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 21, 2014, 12:30:39 PM
I've noticed an interesting trend:

Insurgentes
Grace For Drowning
The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)

The titles are getting progressively longer.

What could be next? ???
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 21, 2014, 12:43:33 PM
I've noticed an interesting trend:

Insurgentes
Grace For Drowning
The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)

The titles are getting progressively longer.

What could be next? ???

(https://de10.com.mx/img/promos/theboybandshavewon.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 21, 2014, 02:00:39 PM
I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.

It is too jazzy at times, and Richard Barbieri hates jazz, so good luck getting him to play a lot of that material.  Plus, his solo stuff has a lot of emphasis on playing, while PT was never a band that was about flashy playing.  Big, big difference.

RB may hate jazz...but go back and listen to Signify and then listen to Raven again.     I see SW's solo stuff as finding a home in the Signify-Stupid Dream era of PT...and I think that's a good thing.    As a matter of fact, I think that's why I'm digging Raven so much.   It reminds me of Signify.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
I've noticed an interesting trend:

Insurgentes
Grace For Drowning
The Raven That Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)

The titles are getting progressively longer.

What could be next? ???

(https://de10.com.mx/img/promos/theboybandshavewon.jpg)

Pfft. Fiona Apple did it first.

And #2 : Boy Bands have not "won". There has been and always will be pop music.

It's like saying green has won because it still exists.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 21, 2014, 02:47:15 PM
I was just thinking as I was listening to Raven last night of how much it reminds me of pre-IA Porcupine Tree. I honestly can't understand why he's not releasing some of this stuff under the Porcupine Tree moniker, because it's really not that far removed from the Porcupine Tree sound.

It is too jazzy at times, and Richard Barbieri hates jazz, so good luck getting him to play a lot of that material.  Plus, his solo stuff has a lot of emphasis on playing, while PT was never a band that was about flashy playing.  Big, big difference.

RB may hate jazz...but go back and listen to Signify and then listen to Raven again.     I see SW's solo stuff as finding a home in the Signify-Stupid Dream era of PT...and I think that's a good thing.    As a matter of fact, I think that's why I'm digging Raven so much.   It reminds me of Signify.

The vibe is similar, sure, but the fundamental approaches were very different. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 21, 2014, 03:22:23 PM
Pfft. Fiona Apple did it first.

And #2 : Boy Bands have not "won". There has been and always will be pop music.

It's like saying green has won because it still exists.

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with it (I don't even listen to the band), I just posted it cuz it was the longest album title I could think of. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 21, 2014, 03:23:29 PM
I was just commenting on it. :hug:

Look up Fiona Apple's album title for " When The Pawn..."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 21, 2014, 03:23:44 PM
Musically there are similarities, but what SW is doing now is much more about everyone displaying their technical skill, and PT was never about that. It's a bit of a shame sadly, but if this is what SW wants to do, then he will keep doing it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on February 21, 2014, 03:23:48 PM
New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/

YES PLEASE
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 21, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
Musically there are similarities, but what SW is doing now is much more about everyone displaying their technical skill, and PT was never about that. It's a bit of a shame sadly, but if this is what SW wants to do, then he will keep doing it.

Some of Raven, maybe, but I don't see how you could group Grace For Drowning under that description (unless you weren't).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 21, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
I'm not counting Grace, because it's a different thing than Raven. On Grace he wrote a lot of the music without any intentions, but on Raven he has stated that he wrote the music with the musicians in mind, clearly taking it a step further. The new stuff he has been playing live is very much like the Raven stuff, a lot of technical skill and it also seems to be written the same way Raven was, with SW writing complex music for complex musicians. Grace was different, it might have had some of the same musicians he has now, but the way it was written was different.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2014, 04:17:14 PM
I'm not counting Grace, because it's a different thing than Raven. On Grace he wrote a lot of the music without any intentions, but on Raven he has stated that he wrote the music with the musicians in mind, clearly taking it a step further. The new stuff he has been playing live is very much like the Raven stuff, a lot of technical skill and it also seems to be written the same way Raven was, with SW writing complex music for complex musicians. Grace was different, it might have had some of the same musicians he has now, but the way it was written was different.

I still thing there was some beautiful, simple melodic moments in this album.  Also when you can reign in Guthrie Govan it's says something.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on February 21, 2014, 04:23:43 PM
I especially think the title track (from Raven) could have EASILY been the ending for any PT album. Fits nicely alongside Glass Arm, Stop Swimming, Collapse Light...etc...etc...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 21, 2014, 04:25:07 PM
The title track sounded kind of jazzy to me, I've never heard much of that in PT.

That's just me, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 21, 2014, 04:37:14 PM
While the title track is one of his best imo, I'm not very excited with the direction he's heading overall. It's a discussion we've been through before, but a PT reunion and new album would make extremely excited and I would jump up and down with happiness, and a new SW album would make me slightly intrigued. I hope he branches out a bit more on this album, but I don't expect it to be anything else than a Progressive Rock album really. We'll see what he comes up with.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2014, 04:40:59 PM
I'd like to get both.  The man never sleeps anyway! :lol

Also, did anybody here John Wesley's new song and album coming out in April, mixed by Mr. Wilson himself?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XKB4TKYqoE


Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 21, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
I haven't heard it, but I think John Wesley is amazing, so I will be buying it as soon as it comes out. :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on February 22, 2014, 01:44:21 AM
That song by Wes sounds pretty good! :tup

If Steven wants to resurrect PT at some point, I think he should do it after the next solo album and tour. Richard isn't getting any younger and the hiatus has been pretty long already and allowed them all to do a lot of other things, so the new album would most likely sound fresh and different from the last few records (as Steven wants it to be). All I want is one more album and tour, because I never got to see PT live and they deserve a better swansong than The Incident.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on February 22, 2014, 04:25:50 AM
All I want is one more album and tour, because I never got to see PT live and they deserve a better swansong than The Incident.
The Incident was badass, but it never came alive until I heard it in a live environment, so there's that. Perhaps a little sterile on disc. Also, I do rather like the idea that Porcupine Tree's last message was "Remember Me, Lover."

(Less so their last words being "I wish you'd learned to keep your mouth shut," but let's skip past that.)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2014, 05:27:05 AM
IMO :

Fear Of A Blank Planet > > The Incident.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 22, 2014, 05:30:04 AM
IMO:

In Absentia/Deadwing   >>>>>>  FOABP/The Incident
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2014, 05:31:17 AM
I have not heard those two in full yet.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 22, 2014, 05:32:54 AM
Wow,  You should get them.  They are truly standout albums Kotowboy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 22, 2014, 05:33:57 AM
I would say The Incident is probably their weakest album since the very early days. FOABP is better than In Absentia and Deadwing though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 22, 2014, 05:38:06 AM
It's funny the divide on age groups with FOTBP.  I love the album but with my age being older than the 20 somethings who put it #1 for the newer albums while the older folks rate the 2 I said as a bit higher.

You can't go wrong with either of them though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2014, 08:53:45 AM
The Incident was badass

This.  :biggrin:

IMO:

In Absentia/Deadwing   >>>>>>  FOABP/The Incident

Lightbulb Sun/Stupid Dream >>>>>> any combination of the other PT albums

 :coolio
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on February 22, 2014, 08:56:41 AM
Kev, no joke, I thought of you and you posting this if you saw it. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on February 22, 2014, 08:58:57 AM
IMO:

In Absentia/Deadwing   >>>>>>  FOABP/The Incident

Lightbulb Sun/Stupid Dream >>>>>> any combination of the other PT albums

 :coolio
...this!

Stylistically, anyway. If we're going non-consecutive, Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun are the champions for me, but Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun are so clearly sisters. And terrific ones.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
Kev, no joke, I thought of you and you posting this if you saw it. :lol

 :tup :tup

  If we're going non-consecutive, Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun are the champions for me, but Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun are so clearly sisters. And terrific ones.

Yes! Me too! :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: YtseJamittaja on February 22, 2014, 09:23:56 AM
IMO:

FOABP, Deadwing >>> In Absentia, Incident
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on February 22, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
FOABP >>> In Absentia > Deadwing >>> the rest
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on February 22, 2014, 01:43:00 PM
Signify is where it's at bitches.

Signify > Deadwing > Up The Downstair = Lightbulb Sun >>> the rest >>>>>>>>> The Incident ;)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
[My Opinion >>>>> Your Opinion] is what this is turning in to!  :rollin :rollin :rollin

Really, though, for me, I find a LOT to like in each of PT's albums, and depending on my musical mood at the time/month/season, I prefer some PT albums over others. Some days I feel like SD/LS, other days I feel like IA/DW and FOABP. Some days I actually listen to The Incident!

I think that's what I genuinely like about PT is that their discography is so colorful in many ways that it CAN appeal to many different fans, so there's this cross-pollination of fans and their interests in music.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on February 22, 2014, 02:17:22 PM
Sorry to interrupt you guys, but this isn't the PT thread :P
Title: Re: Porcupine Tree
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 22, 2014, 02:19:51 PM
Isn't it?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 22, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
Theoretically, a Steven Wilson thread could be about all projects involving SW, while the PT thread is more project-specific. :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2014, 02:37:13 PM
Theoretically, a Steven Wilson thread could be about all projects involving SW, while the PT thread is more project-specific. :P

TRUE...although to balance it out, people should talk about Bass Communion, IEM, and No-Man.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 22, 2014, 02:40:12 PM
Of course, we'd have to have heard them first... :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 22, 2014, 02:42:52 PM
For sure, his other projects are pretty cool as well. There's some incredible albums in all those projects.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2014, 03:35:48 PM
Of course, we'd have to have heard them first... :P

 :lol

Of those, I've heard, and LOVE, No-Man. The collaboration between Wilson and Tim Bowness is breath-taking, and even though they have only six proper albums (with many EP's and other compilations), their work together is nothing short of brilliant. It's amazing atmospheric and mood-setting/altering music that really gets to me, and it's very relaxing at times, but also very charged.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 22, 2014, 03:39:34 PM
Only six albums? I know full-time bands with less than that. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2014, 03:41:43 PM
Only six albums? I know full-time bands with less than that. :lol

*Looks at Tool*

Well, to be fair, "full-time band" is a very loose term, at least in relation to bands like Tool.

But yeah, six albums, I guess, is a medium number. I just feel like No-Man should have MORE music! Their last album was probably their best, and I would love to hear another one from Tim and Steven. If no one here has gotten in to them, definitely check them out if you like the atmospheric-music side of Steven, and with Tim's voice as golden as it is, it's such smooth and beautiful music.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 22, 2014, 03:43:35 PM
They are on my list of groups to check out, but you know how that is. :lol   

Could be years before I get to them.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on February 22, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
To me, SW's best at singing, so him not being the lead vocalist is what puts me off No-Man.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
To me, SW's best at singing, so him not being the lead vocalist is what puts me off No-Man.

I guess you weren't too keen on the last couple Blackfield albums, then, were you?

I like Steven's singing, but his instrumental skills are pretty top-notch, as well as his compositional skills. With No-Man, he knows how to create, change, or maintain a mood throughout a song, or even across the whole album. They're very album-oriented, and while there are "singles" in the albums, they're all best heard as whole albums, especially their last three. I mean, Together We're Stranger opens with a four-track 28-minute suite of pieces that is just divine. I think some of SW's best work lies in No-Man, lead vocalist or not, just for how beautiful the music can be.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on February 22, 2014, 04:21:22 PM

I guess you weren't too keen on the last couple Blackfield albums, then, were you?


I don't own them yet, and I have no urgent need to get them anytime soon. Lack of SW vocals is one reason, but the main reason is that the albums are so short. I'm not paying £10 for just 31 minutes of music. On the other hand though, Jupiter is probably the most beautiful song I heard in 2013.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on February 22, 2014, 05:12:52 PM
MFW I pay $10+($22 if I want it on vinyl) for a grindcore record that's 21 minutes long.
(https://i.imgur.com/fTurtXb.gif)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on February 22, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
MFW I pay $10+($22 if I want it on vinyl) for a grindcore record that's 21 minutes long.
(https://i.imgur.com/fTurtXb.gif)

Meanwhile, people are paying $1.19 for single prog songs that long on digital mediums.

Then again, if we're all legally paying for music, we're already better than some people...lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 22, 2014, 05:45:17 PM
New album, guys.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/

Cool stuff. Hopefully it's more TRTRTS than GfD. I sure do miss PT though :(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Kotowboy on February 22, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
I read somewhere that SW has contributed to about 40 albums in 20 years.

Whilst some bands struggle with one every decade.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 23, 2014, 04:39:38 AM
I read somewhere that SW has contributed to about 40 albums in 20 years.

Whilst some bands struggle with one every decade.

If you've seen the complete discography of Steven Wilson, it's more than 40...probably hundreds by now.
https://www.voyage-pt.de/swdisco.pdf
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 24, 2014, 08:44:08 AM
Just skimming through that ridiculously long document, a lot of those are not albums. In the article just recently posted SW is quoted saying 30-40 albums, so I'm gonna go with that.

Anyway, after skimming the last few pages of this thread, just a few comments-

I am psyched for a new album!

I don't think SW's solo stuff sounds anything like earlier PT. On top of that, he's not putting this stuff under the PT name because... well, it's a different band.

I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back. I miss them too, but would gladly take any of SW's solo stuff over The Incident. This is where his heart is, clearly.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: devieira73 on February 24, 2014, 10:19:08 AM
Just skimming through that ridiculously long document, a lot of those are not albums. In the article just recently posted SW is quoted saying 30-40 albums, so I'm gonna go with that.

Anyway, after skimming the last few pages of this thread, just a few comments-

I am psyched for a new album!

I don't think SW's solo stuff sounds anything like earlier PT. On top of that, he's not putting this stuff under the PT name because... well, it's a different band.

I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back. I miss them too, but would gladly take any of SW's solo stuff over The Incident. This is where his heart is, clearly.

Carry on.

I agree with you and I think his last 2 solo albuns are really amazing, in the same level of PT 2000's albuns, with a wider range of styles. The only thing that I really miss from PT is Gavin Harrison. If SW works with Gavin in his solo career, I guess I wouldn't miss PT at all.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 24, 2014, 10:19:52 AM
Marco's fantastic, though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 24, 2014, 11:32:03 AM
Marco > Gavin imo
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 24, 2014, 12:37:55 PM
Both tend to get too extra fill-happy live, which sometimes borders on overplaying, but both are still pretty awesome on the skins. :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 24, 2014, 08:16:45 PM
Both tend to get too extra fill-happy live, which sometimes borders on overplaying, but both are still pretty awesome on the skins. :hat

I don't think Gavin overplays as much as Marco. Gavins fills always seemed to fit better. Gavin's extra fills is why I listen to live versions over album versions.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on February 24, 2014, 08:19:50 PM
^ That. Definitely. I mean it happens every now and then but Marco seems to go a bit buck wild more often than not. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing since it's still massively entertaining.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 24, 2014, 11:12:07 PM
Yeah, Marco puts on a great show and I adore him.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on February 25, 2014, 01:46:31 AM

I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back...This is where his heart is, clearly.


Slightly modified it, but I agree with this part.

I'm glad I became a fan of SW's other projects before PT called a hiatus. It really softened the blow of that announcement. People saying "Oh, PT will be back after SW4". PT will be back when everyone in the band wants it back. This is what I like about Steven Wilson. He treads his own musical path, not just going along with what the fans want.

Anyway, changing the subject, today is the 1st anniversary of the release of The Raven That Refused to Sing!

A year on, what's your favourite song now, compared to what it was on your first few hearings?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 25, 2014, 04:40:34 AM
The title track still remains my favorite. Regarding the whole PT or not vs his solo career, I would actually be fine even if he continued doing solo stuff. My only hope is that he disbands his current band after the next album and moves on to do something different.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Tiko on February 25, 2014, 05:18:18 AM
I love PT... FOABP is the best album ever made IMO. But I'm not getting my hopes up about them getting back together. Steven is creating great fresh stuff with his solo project, can't wait what comes out next.
I still miss PT, but maybe the hiatus is what they needed. If you ask me, The Incident isn't a very good album. The Raven is amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Perpetual Change on February 25, 2014, 06:13:00 AM
I really, really like the direction Steven is going in. The title track of the most recent album is one of his best songs ever, and it's hard to argue with "The Drive Home" and "The Watchmaker" is really great songs, too.

However, I could do with less flute moving forward. I don't agree completely with people who say he's just lifting 70s prog these days, but the flute really does push 70s vibe over the edge.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 25, 2014, 06:18:02 AM
The flute is actually one of the things I liked. The flute "solo" during the calm part of Raider II and the flute "solo" during Luminol are actually two of my favorite parts about those songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: 7deg_inner_happiness on February 25, 2014, 08:34:24 AM
I agree I like the direction SW is going...keeping it fresh.  Raven is my favorite of his solo efforts.  And can I just say the Drive Home guitar solo (especially the texture..sounds like a sax when it starts IMO) is just perfect!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on February 25, 2014, 11:23:20 AM
I agree I like the direction SW is going...keeping it fresh.  Raven is my favorite of his solo efforts.  And can I just say the Drive Home guitar solo (especially the texture..sounds like a sax when it starts IMO) is just perfect!

Exactly this. Up to the sax part even, the very first time I heard it, the first few seconds I was definitely under the impression that it was the a saxophone playing.

I have to say that the Drive Home guitar solo might be my favorite solo of all time. I'm not even kidding. It's out of this world.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mike099 on February 25, 2014, 11:33:01 AM
Just discovered PT and Steven Wilson.  My favorite off of Raven is 'Drive Home', but the Holy Drinker is one badass song.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on February 25, 2014, 12:42:59 PM
Just discovered PT and Steven Wilson.  My favorite off of Raven is 'Drive Home', but the Holy Drinker is one badass song.

Welcome aboard. There's a goldmine of music there to be discovered. I agree with you about Drive Home. I fell in love with it instantly, and it's still my favourite. Holy Drinker is also amazing! Heck, they all are! :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 25, 2014, 02:06:09 PM
The ending to Holy Drinker got me head banging in sync with Steven Wilson when they played the song live. Such a great live song! The Watchmaker used to be one of my least favorites off of the last album until I saw the live version of it on YouTube and now it's one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mike099 on February 25, 2014, 06:49:59 PM
I'm in trouble with the wife. :omg:  I just used most of the ITunes card to buy PT's Deadwing and  Fear of a blank planet.  I already bought Wilson's Raven cd.   The PT live cd Coma Divine is great.  I am considering that purchase, but will have to get another ITunes card.

Hope it is ok to talk of PT on this thread.

 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 25, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
I love all of the woodwinds in his solo stuff (and in PT, when they show up).

As for my favorite song on Raven now... it started as Holy Drinker, and now I think it's actually Luminol. It's hard to say, it changes a lot.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 25, 2014, 08:46:18 PM
I'm in trouble with the wife. :omg:  I just used most of the ITunes card to buy PT's Deadwing and  Fear of a blank planet.  I already bought Wilson's Raven cd.   The PT live cd Coma Divine is great.  I am considering that purchase, but will have to get another ITunes card.

Hope it is ok to talk of PT on this thread.
It's definitely ok to talk about PT on this thread, as well as Steven Wilson's other projects. Since you're a newer fan, you might not have been aware of the current situation regarding the future of PT, but the group have been on a hiatus since the fall of 2010 in order for Steven to concentrate on his solo albums, but unfortunately of that there are some fans who have still yet to get over it and accept the fact that the solo career is now his main musical priority at the moment.

Fear of a Blank Planet and Deadwing are awesome albums to start off with. I'd also check out In Absentia as well. IMO, it's sort of like their version of what I&W was for DT.  Coma Divine is a great introduction to the more psychedelic and instrumentally PT, which is criminally underrated IMO.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on February 25, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
I love PT, but what Steven pulled off with Raven is so stunning, I don't care much for a PT reunion.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 25, 2014, 09:18:12 PM
I think I'll be happy with whatever Steven Wilson decides to do, he rarely lets me down.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on February 25, 2014, 09:50:22 PM
It's hit or miss (e.g. FOABP did little for me) but frankly I'd rather have an artist who cares about his art and doesn't stand still and thus dares treading new ground, than some other unnamed bands who just keep doing variations of the same thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on February 25, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWKLF4Mg_KM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

From 38:00 on, really interesting to hear Gavin talk about PT's attempt to not succumb to the loudness war.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 25, 2014, 11:15:54 PM
I think I'll be happy with whatever Steven Wilson decides to do, he rarely lets me down.

Same here. 

It's hit or miss (e.g. FOABP did little for me) but frankly I'd rather have an artist who cares about his art and doesn't stand still and thus dares treading new ground, than some other unnamed bands who just keep doing variations of the same thing.

It can go both ways.  I love how adventurous and unpredictable guys like Devin Townsend and Steven Wilson are, but on the other hand, while Neal Morse and Roine Stolt are both a bit predictable, they are such awesome songwriters within their narrower parameters, that I am fine with it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on February 25, 2014, 11:20:34 PM
Yeah, it's very personal in that sense. The reason you just mentioned is exactly why I stopped listening to both Morse and TFK (both of which I really loved at some point).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on February 25, 2014, 11:26:02 PM
The advantage of having a huge variety of music over many albums is I can go through a phase with a band or artist and never even touch the bulk of the discs.  For example, I could go through a PT phase, and it might have been a space rock/psychedelic phase where I listened to the early to mid 90s stuff, it might have been a catchy rock phase where I loaded up on Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun, or it might have been a hard rock phase where I listened to the albums since Gavin Harrison joined the band.  I can do the same with Rush, Radiohead, Devin Townsend, etc., and that is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on February 26, 2014, 03:10:27 AM
unfortunately there are some fans who have still yet to get over it and accept the fact that the solo career is now his main musical priority at the moment.
Again, with the digs at people for having different opinions! Not you specifically, but is this what GMD is, now?! You can accept something without being thrilled about it, and if you aren't thrilled about something it's totally okay to occasionally and tactfully express that. Great that you love SW's current stuff, that's utterly brilliant, I think The Raven's a great album too, but I mean - look, you've got three albums you love! What have they got? Nothing, and lip.

Maybe it's me that's changed. Maybe I'm out of sync with the message board frame of mind. If this is that, I can't say I've missed it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: GentlemanofDread on February 26, 2014, 04:13:49 AM
I'm with Robwebster. Some people want what they want. Like I want Derek Sherinian and Steven Wilson to make an album together. Is it gonna happen? Probably not.

Actually, who would you like to see Steven Wilson work with in the future, guys?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2014, 04:34:48 AM
I don't think any of the "dislike" for what SW is doing now (from the people who wants PT back) comes from the albums actually being bad quality-wise. It's not like Raven is a bad album or anything. I remember when he released Insurgentes, the feedback overall seemed very positive. Maybe it was because he was still in PT as well, so there were no backlash in the same way. But then PT disbanded and now he has released Grace and Raven. Either you buy into the whole 70's prog rock with a more retro sound, and you really love what he is doing, or you might not find the direction he is taking very interesting at all. To me, Raven is a fine album musically, it's just not a very exciting road he is taking with his music. But that's just my opinion. He has gotten a lot of new fans with this album, probably fans who are very much into the more classic sound, and really appreciates what he is doing.

As for who I would love to see him collaborate with, I would say someone that isn't part of the progressive scene. Would be cool to see what SW could do with someone like Trent Reznor or Mike Patton.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on February 26, 2014, 05:14:13 AM
I'd maybe like SW & Devin Townsend or maybe just some more SW & JR :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 26, 2014, 05:36:51 AM
I'd like to see Steven Wilson do a 5.1 mix for a Devin Townsend album if that counts as a collaboration. I think it'll be interesting to see Steven collaborate with Justin Broadrick from Godflesh/Jesu, the guys from Sunn O))) or Ulver but it'd be more in line with his Bass Communion project rather than PT, or his solo stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on February 26, 2014, 07:23:22 AM
As I've said in the Chroma Key thread, a Steven Wilson + Kevin Moore collaboration could be amazing!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on February 26, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
Oh yeah, that would be amazing  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on February 26, 2014, 10:07:52 AM
Didn't Steven sing on one of the songs off of the first OSI album? But I agree a full length Steven Wilson/Kevin Moore collaboration would be something spectacular!

I think it would be awesome if Steven produced the next Katatonia album. Jonas Renkse mentioned in a recent interview that they would love to have Steven produce their next album if their schedule synchronize. But a Steven Wilson 5.1 mix of Night Is The New Day would be just as great!  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on February 26, 2014, 12:01:35 PM
As I've said in the Chroma Key thread, a Steven Wilson + Kevin Moore collaboration could be amazing!


That could lead to be the most depressing / emotional album ever created.



If you want to add a twist, add Roger Waters to the mix.

-dreams-
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on February 26, 2014, 12:02:48 PM
I think it would be awesome if Steven produced the next Katatonia album. Jonas Renkse mentioned in a recent interview that they would love to have Steven produce their next album if their schedule synchronize.
Oh yes... :caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on February 26, 2014, 12:54:50 PM

I am tired of people constantly bitching about wanting PT back...This is where his heart is, clearly.


Slightly modified it, but I agree with this part.

I'm glad I became a fan of SW's other projects before PT called a hiatus. It really softened the blow of that announcement. People saying "Oh, PT will be back after SW4". PT will be back when everyone in the band wants it back. This is what I like about Steven Wilson. He treads his own musical path, not just going along with what the fans want.

Anyway, changing the subject, today is the 1st anniversary of the release of The Raven That Refused to Sing!

A year on, what's your favourite song now, compared to what it was on your first few hearings?


My favorite song now is the same as my favorite when I first heard the album which is Drive Home. Dat solo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mebert78 on February 26, 2014, 01:07:33 PM
Been listening this week to a lot of Steven Wilson.  I don't remember loving Grace for Drowning when it first came out, but I'm really feeling connected with it now.  Weird how that happens.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on February 26, 2014, 09:14:00 PM
Didn't Steven sing on one of the songs off of the first OSI album?


Yessss  :heart
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on February 28, 2014, 11:07:19 AM
Didn't Steven sing on one of the songs off of the first OSI album?


Yessss  :heart

SHUT DOWN! :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nihil-Morari on March 01, 2014, 09:09:34 AM
Bought the IEM boxset!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on March 01, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
Here's an incredibly awesome rendition of Radioactive Toy live from the Royal Albert Hall from Steven's Soundcloud account.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/radioactive-toy-rah
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on March 02, 2014, 12:37:25 AM
Whoa.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on March 05, 2014, 02:04:54 AM
This sounds like a strange request, but could someone who was there tell me the top 5 (or more if possible) of the last Porcupine Tree Survivor that was held? I've tried the search box at the top, to no avail, and I'd like to know the results, out of curiosity, and for an idea I have.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 05, 2014, 08:25:58 AM
I cannot remember, but I have to think that Anesthetize, Arriving Somewhere But Not Here and Trains were three of them. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on March 05, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
I also remember A Smart kid being surprisingly high, maybe at #4. Something tells me The Start of something beautiful was in there as well...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 05, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on March 06, 2014, 08:19:37 AM
I don't know how y'all remember this stuff  :lol

My Cover Version vinyl and IEM set have shipped, woooo!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on March 06, 2014, 08:31:21 AM
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.
I didn't participate in the survivor, but I saw the results a year ago and I remember those two being the top 2.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 06, 2014, 11:23:25 AM
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.
I didn't participate in the survivor, but I saw the results a year ago and I remember those two being the top 2.

I didn't participate either, but yeah. :P
Definitely wouldn't be my top two picks, but still great songs.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: robwebster on March 08, 2014, 12:51:29 PM
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.
Seriously - Trains didn't win? Everyone always goes mad for Trains! I agree, Arriving Somewhere's better, but I'm just surprised based on what I thought I knew about this message board. Clearly, I'm out of touch!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: orcus116 on March 08, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
It's a prog board. Long songs always have the advantage, regardless of their quality.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2014, 01:05:47 PM
Not always true.  I don't remember Moonloop doing that well in that survivor.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 08, 2014, 01:09:50 PM
Voyage 34 is totally my favorite PT song
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on March 08, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Voyage 34 is totally my favorite PT song

I remember the first time I did acid.




Full disclosure: I've never actually done acid.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on March 08, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
I think Arriving Somewhere and Anesthetize were the top 2, with the former winning.
Seriously - Trains didn't win? Everyone always goes mad for Trains! I agree, Arriving Somewhere's better, but I'm just surprised based on what I thought I knew about this message board. Clearly, I'm out of touch!

I agree that Trains should have won.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The King in Crimson on March 08, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
Voyage 34 is totally my favorite PF song
FIFM

:)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on March 08, 2014, 02:30:07 PM
Seriously - Trains didn't win? Everyone always goes mad for Trains!
Except me :biggrin:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 08, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
Trains is great, but there are at least two or three songs from IA that I like better.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on March 08, 2014, 02:44:45 PM
Trains is pretty good, but there are eight songs from IA that I like better.
FTFM
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: jammindude on March 08, 2014, 03:24:47 PM
Trains only gets better and better as time goes on for me.

I'm a bit surprised that Arriving won.   When Deadwing first came out, that was by FAR and away my favorite...but now I feel like it hasn't really had the staying power in my heart the way some of the others do.   Start of Something Beautiful is probably my favorite...though Open Car has had quite a bit of staying power as well. 

Anesthetize is a weird one.   I love all the parts, but it never did strike me as a cohesive SONG the way Arriving does.   Anesthetize is more like a suite of three unrelated (musically anyway...I'm aware that lyrically it is very much one piece) smaller pieces. 

Personally, my all time favorite PT song is Heartattack in a Layby.   Absolutely cannot get enough of it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sacul on March 09, 2014, 09:01:20 PM
Trains, Arriving..., Anesthetize, are all great songs. But The Sound of Musak is definitely my fav PT tune :P.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 09, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
I played IA for my roommate, and that's the only song he really liked. Can't figure it out.

Not that it's a bad song, but I always ranked under pretty all the others.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sacul on March 09, 2014, 09:19:59 PM
I played IA for my roommate, and that's the only song he really liked. Can't figure it out.
I think it's because it's easy to digest and has all that groove and a strong personality.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on March 09, 2014, 09:36:55 PM
Some rather delightful news regarding a Blackfield show in the US...

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On the 1st of May, Blackfield will perform at the Best Buy Theater in New York City. Tickets will go on sale next week.
Please note that this will be the band's only date in the USA. This show will be Steven Wilson's final performance with Blackfield.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mike099 on March 20, 2014, 11:33:59 AM
Just listened to the Coma Divine Live cd and I have to say that 'Not beautiful anymore' is one of the best live songs I have ever heard.  :metal  I need to bite the bullet and get this cd.  The cost is 20.00 US on Itunes.

Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on March 20, 2014, 11:43:44 AM
Just listened to the Coma Divine Live cd and I have to say that 'Not beautiful anymore' is one of the best live songs I have ever heard.  :metal  I need to bite the bullet and get this cd.  The cost is 20.00 US on Itunes.

$20.00 on iTunes?! What a rip-off! Go to amazon instead and their mp3 version is only $13.86, or better yet, just get the physical CDs for as cheap as $14.83 after shipping.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on March 20, 2014, 10:31:24 PM
Yeah, $20 is crazy. Coma Divine is soo good.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mike099 on March 28, 2014, 11:29:31 AM
Thanks for the tip.  I ordered the Coma Divine cd and In Absentia cd and received in a couple of days.

After listening to Lighbulb Sun, should have ordered that one as well.


Just listened to the Coma Divine Live cd and I have to say that 'Not beautiful anymore' is one of the best live songs I have ever heard.  :metal  I need to bite the bullet and get this cd.  The cost is 20.00 US on Itunes.

$20.00 on iTunes?! What a rip-off! Go to amazon instead and their mp3 version is only $13.86, or better yet, just get the physical CDs for as cheap as $14.83 after shipping.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on March 30, 2014, 10:39:03 AM
A gentle nudge in the direction of Polls/Survivors for the Blackfield Survivor Consolation tournament.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41153.msg1787164#msg1787164 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41153.msg1787164#msg1787164)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on March 30, 2014, 03:34:18 PM
Listening to Raider II from Get All You Deserve. So much epic.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 27, 2014, 04:45:28 PM
From Facebook:

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As this page passes the 200,000 likes / followers milestone, I’d like to thank everyone here for your continued interest and support, and all the encouraging comments and career advice (-:
I'm old enough to remember the days when getting information out to 200,000 potentially interested people would have meant putting 200,000 newsletters into 200,000 envelopes, and buying 200,000 stamps to stick on them! So as a musician there is at least one big reason to be grateful for the internet.
For the past few months I've been working hard on my next album, and will continue through until towards the end of the year for a release early in 2015 (but we'll bring you some previews before that). I won't say too much about it now, just that it’s another project where the music, story, and visuals all work together, and that we're trying to raise the bar again. Pretentious, and proudly so!
SW

Exciting stuff! I guess it will be about 2 years come early 2015, but it still feels relatively soon for another SW release...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 27, 2014, 04:46:26 PM
meh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 27, 2014, 05:03:26 PM
:woot:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on May 27, 2014, 05:37:05 PM
meh

Meh what? Meh this isn't all that much of an update? (agree) or meh you're not excited about early 2015 SW?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 27, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
I couldn't care less about the facebook thing (although I am happy to hear about more people getting into him), but it's awesome to hear that he's hard at work; though I assumed that he was, it's good to get confirmation. I'm sure it'll be another masterpiece. He hasn't done a single thing I haven't (eventually) loved since going solo.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on May 27, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Is Guthrie and Marco going to be on the new record? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on May 27, 2014, 09:11:09 PM
I guess it will be about 2 years come early 2015, but it still feels relatively soon for another SW release...

His solo releases from Insurgentes onward had a 2+ year gap in between them (technically it was released in November 2008, but the retail release was not until February 2009). At least he's very pretty consistent in writing/recording/touring his solo work in a particular time frame.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2014, 10:05:12 PM
Keep in mind, too, that a PT album and tour both happened in between Insurgentes and Grace for Drowning.

Also, I assume the next album will have the same band he has had together for a while, unless he says otherwise.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 28, 2014, 12:01:52 AM
Is Guthrie and Marco going to be on the new record? Does anyone know?

They will, I am far too lazy to look up any links or source, but he's said on a few occasions that this new album will, like the last, be tailored for this line-up of guys. But unless something has come up very recently, this is to be his solo band; it's pretty clear he loves playing with the guys and from seeing them play together live, they work very well and all seem to be having a lot of fun. I'm sure many can attest to that at least.  :millahhhh :metal I'd be extremely surprised if any line-up changes occurred. For the album at least, who knows how the new tour will go, but hopefully there's no scheduling conflicts like last time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on May 28, 2014, 01:59:42 AM
meh

Meh what? Meh this isn't all that much of an update? (agree) or meh you're not excited about early 2015 SW?

There wasn't really anything exciting in his update. Good for him that his Facebook is doing okay, but we already knew he was working on a new album, and that it would probably come out in early 2015, so no news there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: goo-goo on May 30, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
Is Guthrie and Marco going to be on the new record? Does anyone know?

They will, I am far too lazy to look up any links or source, but he's said on a few occasions that this new album will, like the last, be tailored for this line-up of guys. But unless something has come up very recently, this is to be his solo band; it's pretty clear he loves playing with the guys and from seeing them play together live, they work very well and all seem to be having a lot of fun. I'm sure many can attest to that at least.  :millahhhh :metal I'd be extremely surprised if any line-up changes occurred. For the album at least, who knows how the new tour will go, but hopefully there's no scheduling conflicts like last time.

I thought Marco was not going to be able to record it. I don't have a link but I do recall reading about it. maybe I read it on the PT Forum.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on May 30, 2014, 11:46:11 AM
That would be massively disappointing... I thought that was just for the tour. Here's hoping. I know it'll sound amazing either way, Wilson isn't gonna settle, but Marco is perfect for the job. Wonderful talent and control, but can do buck wild when he's allowed.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on July 10, 2014, 05:22:15 PM
Just picked up Cover Version and I'm really enjoying it so far. Most of the songs I haven't heard though so it'll be neat to hear the different styles and go back to see what they're like. The only one I think I've actually heard is Thank You, which I enjoyed a lot.

Ed: Oops, didn't realize I was last to post. My bad!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on July 10, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
I love Marco's playing, but I certainly would settle for Gavin's too :)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 10, 2014, 05:58:04 PM

A little controversial but for me , Holy Drinker, Drive Home, The Raven and especially Luminol all are better songs than the overrated Watchmaker...  :P

Dear past me,

Umm, i hate you pretentious idiot, watchmaker is the greatest song ever made and has one of the greatest guitar solos ever...idiot  >:(

 :lol

But yeah it took me a bit to really "get" as well. Luminol is my least favourite at this point. It's the only song that doesn't have any "WOW" moments for me. However it's still a consistently good song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on July 10, 2014, 10:29:13 PM
Someone was asking wether or not Marco will drum on solo album #4? Well, from a recent interview with Echoes and Dust, here's Marco to answer that question...

Quote
So Marco, are there any other upcoming projects in the pipeline? Will you continue on with Steven Wilson now that he’s working on the follow-up to “The Raven Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)”?
Marco: Yes, we will be recording the new Steven Wilson album in September. Also, a new Aristocrats album in will be on the way soon.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on July 10, 2014, 10:37:11 PM
Someone was asking wether or not Marco will drum on solo album #4? Well, from a recent interview with Echoes and Dust, here's Marco to answer that question...

Quote
So Marco, are there any other upcoming projects in the pipeline? Will you continue on with Steven Wilson now that he’s working on the follow-up to “The Raven Refused To Sing (And Other Stories)”?
Marco: Yes, we will be recording the new Steven Wilson album in September. Also, a new Aristocrats album in will be on the way soon.

Marco's been busy! Between his new solo album, then these next two, he'll be booked for a year and a half!

If SW4 records this September, I can see a Summer 2015 release for it, which would be perfect to launch a new tour. Hopefully I can catch the next one!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on July 10, 2014, 10:39:31 PM
 :metal :millahhhh
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on July 11, 2014, 12:38:05 AM
i hope it's a triple album. just... because. :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 11, 2014, 02:47:46 AM
I would love another 80s influenced album like Insurgentes rather than a new 70's influenced GfD/Raven, but I think we'll get the latter.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on July 11, 2014, 03:31:12 AM
I never thought of Insurgentes as 80's influenced... what bands/artists are you thinking about? I consider Insurgentes the most unique of his efforts (and my favorite)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 11, 2014, 05:21:14 AM
I never thought of Insurgentes as 80's influenced... what bands/artists are you thinking about? I consider Insurgentes the most unique of his efforts (and my favorite)

Well he has said it himself that he was very influenced by bands like The Cure and Joy Division. The Post-Punk elements feel very 80s IMO. But yeah, overall what I love about Insurgentes is that it feels very timeless. You have nods to bands like The Cure and Joy Division, but you also have the nod to King Crimson and the drone/noise aspects. I would love another album like Insurgentes.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on July 11, 2014, 05:32:23 AM
I never thought of Insurgentes as 80's influenced... what bands/artists are you thinking about? I consider Insurgentes the most unique of his efforts (and my favorite)

Well he has said it himself that he was very influenced by bands like The Cure and Joy Division. The Post-Punk elements feel very 80s IMO. But yeah, overall what I love about Insurgentes is that it feels very timeless. You have nods to bands like The Cure and Joy Division, but you also have the nod to King Crimson and the drone/noise aspects. I would love another album like Insurgentes.

Cool, thanks for the info, I'm more of a modern music guy so my 80's knowledge is pretty limited (or plain out non-existent). I've always read good things about those bands though, perhaps I should check them out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on July 11, 2014, 05:33:40 AM
The songwriting on Insurgentes isn't as consistent as on The Raven, but stylistically it's closer to my tastes and the highlights are amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 11, 2014, 06:09:59 AM
I would easily pick Insurgentes over Raven, but it's really more a question of what style you prefer rather than what album is "better".
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on July 11, 2014, 06:46:41 AM

You know what's good about this conversation?!

Steven Wilson is ever changing in his style of music ever so slightly and always keeps me hooked because his music is always so fresh to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 11, 2014, 06:54:38 AM
The freshness has slowly worn off over the years for me, but what I love about SW is that his discography is so extensive and diverse. I've been listening to a lot of IEM (Incredible Expanding Mindfuck) recently, and I really love it. Parts of it actually sound very Grace For Drowning with jazz and progressive stuff, but overall more experimental and dark.

I think SW is one of those artists who has it all. Over his different projects in PT, solo, Blackfield, No-Man, Bass Communion, IEM and so on, you basically have something for every occasion/mood.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on July 11, 2014, 07:37:06 AM
I will check that out. Thanks!

I also think it's hard to have a 20 plus year career and still sound fresh by as an artist, I know Steven is always expanding.  All bands essentially have the "sameness" in their sound that last that long.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 11, 2014, 09:21:57 AM
I think there's some sameness within SW's different projects, but what's so great is that he seems to move on when it gets too much. PT were getting a bit stale (The Incident was IMO one of their weaker albums, but not bad), so he moved on with solo stuff. I would imagine one or maybe two more solo albums on the horizon, and I think we could get a new PT album. He moved on from Blackfield, and as much as I love Blackfield (I probably love it more because of Aviv Geffen than SW), SW has a great sense of moving away before something gets stale or predictable.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on July 11, 2014, 05:58:07 PM
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on July 11, 2014, 06:33:30 PM
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.

Solo? Or in general, including PT, No-Man, IEM, BC, Blackfield, etc. etc.?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on July 11, 2014, 07:50:28 PM
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.

That concert we bumped into each other was magical.   My eyes were glued to every musician up there.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 11, 2014, 07:51:36 PM
I've come to like SW's material more than DT, I just find it much more consistent (including the projects)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on July 11, 2014, 09:34:19 PM
SW is by far and away my most beloved musician to date. Even the shit that just goes right over my head, musically, what he does and how he does it...I may not ever be able to truly appreciate it considering I can barely play fuckin' Chopsticks, but over the years music has become somewhat a crutch for me, and more-so these days, an outlet. In that regard, Sir Steven Wilson has reached into my soul and flicked my soul clitoris SO GOOD ERRY TIME. ERRY TIME. There is very, very few music that he's created that I don't connect with in a very profound way; that being The Incident, and it almost feels like...I knew that this wasn't all that an inspired effort, so that kind of genuine openness I felt from his music...didn't come through as much, to me anyway. All that said, for as much as I love DT for what they did for me in terms of my musical open-mind and exploration, where it all started...SW is just on another level, quite frankly. He isn't technical at all, he's openly stated so numerous times and all the while creates the most permeating, sometimes haunting, sometimes lovely music I've ever heard. DT has done that, and better (with ACoS), but recently has all the depth of Brittany Spears when it comes to the way their songs 'speak to me' and how I connect with them.

Now that I've sufficiently masturbated Wilson enough, I have a question. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SONG ABOUT!? CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S ABOUT A PEDOPHILE BUT I DUNNO WTF:
The Guitar Lesson (originally by Momus; good luck looking up information on it)

Either way...I've heard the original by now and it's nice, but if the subject matter I assume is correct...is in fact correct....then I can totally understand the fact that there's nearly no info about this on the net, the most I've gotten is from SongMeanings and the only comment says that it's a good song and is overlooked due to the content, so I'm assuming I am right on the mark, but I don't assume I know nearly as much knowledge about music and most people here so again, I ask; IS THIS ABOUT A FUCKING PEDOPHILE!? CAUSE THAT SUCKS CAUSE I LOVE THIS SONG.  :rollin :lol Truly, a beautiful piece, especially Wilson's version, which is all the more beautiful and appropriate for the content if it's truly about a pedophile (WHO MOLESTS IN FRONT OF HER MOTHER!?DAFU). Either way, great song and I LOVE what Wilson has done with it. Overall, I really love Cover Version altogether, and I've heard all the originals by now and can safely say that I like Wilson's versions more. But The Cure's A Forest came close to beating SW's version; but SW's version is just so macabre and beautifully dark. In that regard, I can't help but enjoy it more.

I think my favorite song is tied between A Forst and The Guitar Lesson. I'll probably just internally love TGL more but socially will say AF cause I don't wanna be the guy loving a song about pedobears who go after young guitar players.  :huh: :lol

ED: Finally found some info on him and yeah...definitely about pedophilia... Apparently Momus wrote about a lot of controversial topics, which only intrigues me more into his work...might end up having a new artist to like after this. Either way, it's a really beautiful song and now that I now for sure...what an absolutely gut-wrenchingly beautiful song...that brings nothing but horrible outcomes and degenerate hypotheticals. Makes it even more genius. Another reason I love SW so much...he himself opens my mind to new music I'd more than likely never discover otherwise. Awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on July 12, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
It's weird that, even though DT occupied my #1 spot far longer than any other band or artist will ever be able to do, I know that when all is said and done, Steven Wilson's output will stand in much higher regard than DT's to me.

Same here.  Hell, I put Porcupine Tree alone ahead of Dream Theater, and factoring in his solo stuff, Blackfield, No-Man, etc. makes it not even close.  What's really scary is, Rush has been my favorite band for 22 years now, but if I collectively lumped all of Wilson's projects into one, he'd probably surpass Rush for me. :eek :eek
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on July 15, 2014, 01:49:39 PM
So as some of you may already know, I have a penchant for rearranging album track lists to include bonus tracks and studio leftovers, and in the case of The Raven That Refused To Sing, Steven has released 2 songs that stemmed from those writing and recording sessions that weren't used on the album: "The Birthday Party" and "Clock Song". I've made my own CD-r version of TRTRTS that includes these two, and also tacks on "Drive Home (Lounge Version)", which is FANTASTIC, and the orchestral version of the title track at the end.

The Raven That Refused To Sing
Compiled Track List - 76:33

LP 1 - 38:51
Side 1 - 19:47
1. Luminol            12:10
2. Drive Home             7:37

Side 2 - 19:04
3. The Holy Drinker         10:13
4. The Pin Drop          5:03
5. The Birthday Party          3:48

LP 2 - 37:42
Side 3 - 16:13
6. Clock Song             4:31
7. The Watchermaker         11:42

Side 4 - 21:29
8. The Raven That Refused To Sing    7:57
9. Drive Home (Loungue Version)    6:01
10. The Raven (Orchestral Version)    7:31

As usual, I arranged the tracks so that they could theoretically fit on a 2LP vinyl album, and in doing so, I also kept the first four tracks in the same order, as well as the last two of "The Watchmaker" and "The Raven That Refused To Sing". It only made sense to place "Clock Song" before "The Watchmaker", given how it sounds related, and so the only place to put "The Birthday Party" was after "The Pin Drop", since I liked the flow of the tracks before it.

At any rate, it's an even more enjoyable album now with over 76 minutes of Raven-y goodness! I'm glad I was able to fit all of these tracks onto ONE CD-R, much like with Insurgentes and it's bonus tracks.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 30, 2014, 03:48:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqVjXrvetw

So um, most unexpected place to ever find SW? He's at about 2:40 for those who don't want to listen to the rest.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: fibreoptix on July 30, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
How bizarre. :lol Loved it though. Whole thing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on July 30, 2014, 04:45:31 PM
Wow  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on July 30, 2014, 05:27:47 PM
Holy shit, that whole song was one giant turd, from beginning to end.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 30, 2014, 05:52:29 PM
Jesus Christ  :mehlin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on July 30, 2014, 05:58:24 PM
What in the fuck?!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on July 30, 2014, 06:32:28 PM
I actually really liked bits of that. Some reminded me of MF Doom, and Wilson's tiny part was cool enough. Still a clusterfuck, but an oddly cool one. Neat to see hear him in it, that's about all though.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 30, 2014, 11:10:46 PM
Yeah, there were a few bits I liked, but overall it was pretty meh. And the video itself was super cheesy, but I seem to think that about all lyric videos so take that as you will.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on July 30, 2014, 11:22:35 PM
Had no idea Cover Version was even a thing, but I saw it at the record store and said to myself "Oh, a new Steven Wilson album! That's a thing!" and bought it. I know the background for it now, but I've never heard any of this stuff, so it's all new to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on July 31, 2014, 12:00:42 AM
Had no idea Cover Version was even a thing, but I saw it at the record store and said to myself "Oh, a new Steven Wilson album! That's a thing!" and bought it. I know the background for it now, but I've never heard any of this stuff, so it's all new to me.  ;D

I really love Cover Version. Most of them are really good, most of his original songs on it are really good, and overall I would say it's probably his most underrated/under-appreciated release.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ariich on July 31, 2014, 11:09:32 AM
Yeah, there were a few bits I liked, but overall it was pretty meh. And the video itself was super cheesy, but I seem to think that about all lyric videos so take that as you will.
Well, the whole project exists to raise money for charity, so I don't think cheesy videos are a problem at all.

I think the song is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 31, 2014, 05:07:01 PM
Hello is a great track.  I enjoyed all their contributions,  Stevens is nice.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on August 01, 2014, 02:54:18 AM
In the latest FB post Steven says he'll remix five classic albums this year, two of which are from the 80s. I'm curious to find out what the 80s albums are, because he said they were both chart-topping albums, which makes me think they might not be prog.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 01, 2014, 07:56:22 AM
The exact tweet/FB post was:

Five more Steven Wilson classic album remixes are to be released this year, including two iconic 80’s albums that reached number 1 in the UK and USA respectively. All should be officially announced over the next few weeks.

I am trying to figure out what those 80s albums would be, too.  It'd be awesome if The Police's Synchronicity was one of them (it did go to number 1 both here and the UK), but does Wilson have the pull and name recognition to do a remix for a band as popular and mainstream as them? 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 01, 2014, 07:59:38 AM
Michael Jackson's Thriller?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 01, 2014, 08:33:26 AM
 :lol, that'd be awesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 01, 2014, 08:43:51 AM
It'll be cool to find out!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 01, 2014, 09:17:17 AM
That song was .. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 01, 2014, 03:17:58 PM
his re-mixes of Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair are overdue, but they didn't exactly chart that high  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 01, 2014, 06:26:49 PM
Maybe Hounds of Love or Never for Ever by Kate Bush, both of which hit number one in the UK? This would be the perfect time to release a deluxe edition of either, considering the hype surrounding Bush's upcoming live comeback. Plus, according to his online playlist archive, he played a song from Never for Ever recently on Team Rock radio.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 01, 2014, 08:00:46 PM
Kate never was big in the US.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ColdFireYYZ on August 01, 2014, 08:28:10 PM
Kate never was big in the US.
I think I misread the statement, as I thought it mean that one of the albums 80s albums hit the number 1 in the US and the other hit number 1 in the UK. But yeah, if they are chart-toppers in both countries, then it's definitely not Kate Bush. I guess we'll find out soon enough!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 01, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
I love her voice and she did get some airplay (Thank you MTV when you mattered) and of course Peter Gabriel's So album.

I'm still interested what albums they are and to find out what popular albums he liked to remix.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 01, 2014, 09:15:22 PM
I thought "respectively" meant one in the US and one in the UK...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 01, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
I thought "respectively" meant one in the US and one in the UK...

Again Jackie is correct.  leave it to dude, not to read the instructions. :lol

So maybe it is Kate Bush!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on August 01, 2014, 09:20:51 PM
(Though I would really like Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair already. Those little boxes look so nice together on a shelf.)  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 02, 2014, 12:34:13 PM
Steven Wilson ‏@StevenWilsonHQ  1m
Recording of the follow up album to 'The Raven that Refused To Sing' starts this month (with the same band line-up).

(https://www.nomadtofu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Daniel-Bryan-Yes-Cheer.gif)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 02, 2014, 01:15:31 PM
 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on August 02, 2014, 01:39:57 PM
I love the lyrics Steven Wilson sings in that charity song posted above. By Olivier Messiaen (1908-1992), apparently. One of my favourite composers, who collected birdsong and used it in his music. He also saw colours when he heard certain keys. Hence the lyrics.

Also, massively excited by the fact that the SW4 cycle has begun!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: The Letter M on August 02, 2014, 01:47:59 PM
Steven Wilson ‏@StevenWilsonHQ  1m
Recording of the follow up album to 'The Raven that Refused To Sing' starts this month (with the same band line-up).

(https://www.nomadtofu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Daniel-Bryan-Yes-Cheer.gif)

This album is sure to start 2015 off with a bang! I cannot wait to hear it. I wonder if it'll be a double album like GFD, or an album of longer tracks like TRTRTS, or a return to more shorter tracks like Insurgentes? Or perhaps it'll be a concept album in the vein of The Incident?

No matter what he does, I'll be sure to save up for the limited deluxe edition!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: seasonsinthesky on August 02, 2014, 05:14:52 PM
it's become obvious at this point — it's going to sound like whichever bands he was re-mixing/mastering at the time he wrote the songs!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 02, 2014, 06:28:51 PM
I'll most likely get the limited edition again as well. (Already got GFD and Raven, and would love to get Insurgentes) While Raven was a mild disappointment for me, and I'm not too excited about him doing more classic progressive rock, it's really hard to argue with the quality of the limited edition. It's just beautiful. Raven was a good album, and even if the limited edition was expensive, there were some beautiful pictures in there. It's really worth it for his time and effort alone.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on August 02, 2014, 10:12:57 PM
Fockin' beautiful. I cannot wait to masturbate to this.  :metal (guess what the other hand is doing)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on August 03, 2014, 02:04:16 AM
Kate never was big in the US.
I think I misread the statement, as I thought it mean that one of the albums 80s albums hit the number 1 in the US and the other hit number 1 in the UK.

That's exactly what the statement implies. "Respectively" being the catch word in the statement.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 03, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
I thought "respectively" meant one in the US and one in the UK...

Again Jackie is correct.  leave it to dude, not to read the instructions. :lol

So maybe it is Kate Bush!

 ;)

In other news, I've never heard Kate Bush.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 03, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Rectify that now!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 03, 2014, 04:23:35 PM
Okay, name a song.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 03, 2014, 05:01:34 PM
Running up that Hill  --      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM


Hounds Of Love --   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w_m86INkbw


Both from her big album of 1985
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 03, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
Oh man. Yep, that's 1985 all right  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 03, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
Oh yeah it is! :lol

She was so damn unique though even for that time.  No one sounded like her.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on August 03, 2014, 10:45:57 PM
Yeah, now it doesn't sound very out of the ordinary but I can imagine how it did back then. Except I was an infant, so I wouldn't have processed it very well :p
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 03, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time around
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on August 04, 2014, 03:52:35 AM
Okay, name a song.

Wuthering Heights. Her first song, and an absolute stunner!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on August 04, 2014, 05:02:17 AM
I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time around
This.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on August 04, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time around
This.
Agree.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ReaperKK on August 04, 2014, 11:47:35 AM
Can't wait to hear the new record, mainly so I can listen to Guthrie's playing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 04, 2014, 08:13:42 PM
I really do love Steven Wilson's work, but I kinda hope he strays a bit from the '70s prog theme. He does a very good job with it, but I'd love to see something new and innovative this time around
This.
Agree.
Same. If he continues in the '70s prog route, I'm afraid he might repeat what he did with PT and The Incident and end up with a good but superfluous sounding album.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 04, 2014, 08:33:26 PM
It's funny to see the divide.

Old farts like me want another TRTRTS.

Younger fans want more like Insurgentes or something more modern.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 04, 2014, 08:59:28 PM
I thought The Raven.. was plenty modern.  Yes, the classic prog influences were strong, but it still had enough of the modern SW stamp to not sound derivative or anything like that.  Or are we really calling anything with lots of mellotron and flute classic prog-sounding and non-modern?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 04, 2014, 09:03:22 PM
I thought The Raven.. was plenty modern.  Yes, the classic prog influences were strong, but it still had enough of the modern SW stamp to not sound derivative or anything like that.  Or are we really calling anything with lots of mellotron and flute classic prog-sounding and non-modern?

I'm with you all the way but the youngster hear a mellotron and a flute and it's 70's influenced.

BTW I saw you posting in this thread and wanted to read your response and I clicked the first page by accident and thought ricky was posting on this forum again. :lol

Now that's a senior moment. :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on August 04, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
I'm a "younger" fan but I'm all for a TRTRTS part 2 cause that's my favorite SW release ever, but I'd also be happy with album that's a bit diverse like Insurgentes. TRTRTS was a modern sounding album and sounded like it could only have been made today, but as SW said in an interview, he used recording techniques that were used by people like Alan Parsons in the '70s.

I hope SW doesn't let the musical direction he's been in for the last 4 years overstay its welcome. He thought the metal influence on PT wore out after 3 or 4 albums, and I just hope he doesn't reach a point where he goes beyond all that he possibly could with the '70s influence in the context of his music. 
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 04, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Well, he did have Alan Parson's as the engineer as well. :lol 

I like to think of is as a modern twist on classic prog.  Either way, I'm all in for whatever he releases.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 04, 2014, 09:16:37 PM
I'm pretty much down with whatever SW does.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sketchy on August 05, 2014, 12:08:59 AM
Well, he did have Alan Parson's as the engineer as well. :lol 

I like to think of is as a modern twist on classic prog.  Either way, I'm all in for whatever he releases.

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on August 05, 2014, 01:54:49 AM
I thought The Raven.. was plenty modern.  Yes, the classic prog influences were strong, but it still had enough of the modern SW stamp to not sound derivative or anything like that.  Or are we really calling anything with lots of mellotron and flute classic prog-sounding and non-modern?
Totally agreed.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 05, 2014, 02:32:06 AM
Most of my frustration if SW were to make another 70s prog rock album comes from the fact that he disbanded/left several projects to only focus on his solo stuff. If we had another PT album or another Blackfield album around the corner, another 70s prog rock album in between wouldn't be a problem, but since he is now only making his solo music, that makes it more boring. I'll still buy it and I hope it's good, but to be honest I'm more excited about him releasing another Bass Communion album.

I would prefer it if he did something new and took on a new direction, OR made another PT album, but it seems to be the thing with musicians his age that they find a safe zone and considering his newfound status of "godfather of prog", he has no reason to leave that to do something else. Unless he wants to.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 05, 2014, 05:23:15 AM
Anything Steven does is not safe.  Steven moves to his own beat.  Whatever at the time intrigues him.  He does what he pleases and to me, that's not safe.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on August 05, 2014, 05:30:18 AM
It might be what he wants to do, but the 70s trend has been pretty hot so it's pretty much accepted. Raven was safe in a way that Insurgentes really wasn't, but again, it's not like you'll hear Raven on the radio or anything. I'm hoping for more Prog Rock in the style of Grace rather than Raven, but who knows at this point what he will do. When he played two new songs live, both sounded really great, so this will be one of my most anticipated albums of 2015 for sure.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 05, 2014, 05:48:14 AM
We I think you won't have to worry too long Jimmy, we all know Steven changes ever few albums.  He never rests on his laurels.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on August 05, 2014, 11:34:36 AM
Raven was not safe at all. Every time you massively change direction you run danger of alienating a good chunk of your fan base.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on August 05, 2014, 11:40:13 AM
Yep, even though GfD and The Raven both have classic prog influences, it's extremely short-sighted to say they sound the same.  Hell, for one, the band he used was different, which resulted in The Raven being far more of a players' record (something SW usually isn't known for).
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 05, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
With that being said, I still think The Raven is great. :tup
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 05, 2014, 12:39:55 PM
To add a little bit what Kev said, the live show for TRTRTS seemed so complete with all the members that played in the album was on tour.  That show still resonates with me.  I believe Rumbo was blown away as well.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: emtee on August 05, 2014, 12:42:04 PM
The middle section of Luminol is up there among the most moving beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on August 05, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
To add a little bit what Kev said, the live show for TRTRTS seemed so complete with all the members that played in the album was on tour.  That show still resonates with me.  I believe Rumbo was blown away as well.

I went to the Berklee Performance Center totally oblivious of The Raven. I saw the album cover on the merchandise table on my way in, and I remember thinking "oh jeez, now it's all music I've never heard before." Usually the sound in venues is so bad that, unless you know the songs inside out, you can't really enjoy them live.
10 minutes or so into the concert I was frantically manhandling my phone in the dark, buying the album from Amazon. I was totally floored.
Only other time that has happened in my life was when seeing Dream Theater back in '95 or something, and they had Spock's Beard opening for them. Had never heard of them, and same thing, my jaw dropped to the floor 10 minutes in.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on August 05, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
The Raven That Refused to Sing has made me more familiar with the sound of the mellotron, so I can spot it in other recordings where I otherwise wouldn't have known what it sounds like.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on August 08, 2014, 05:45:46 AM
I was thinking of albums from the 80's that were #1 on both continents, I was thinking Asia's self titled album and Yes 90125.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: GentlemanofDread on August 25, 2014, 11:14:26 AM
"Relayer is confirmed as the third release in the series of SW remixed Yes (official) albums to be issued in 5.1 & new stereo high-resolution audio configuration. Relayer was the band’s 7th studio album, released in 1974, and contains just 3 long pieces, including the ambitious 22 minute Gates of Delirium.

Mixed by Steven Wilson & released with the full approval of the band, Relayer will be available in CD/DVD-A digipack & CD/Blu-Ray mini LP gatefold editions. These are available to pre-order now from https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/headphonedust/, release date 3rd November.

Both editions will also contain the original album mix in high-resolution & bonus audio material, full details of which will be announced shortly.

Restored artwork approved by Roger Dean & new sleevenotes by Sid Smith complete the package,the release of which coincides with the 40th anniversary of the album's original late 1974 appearance."
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on September 04, 2014, 06:05:56 PM
I made this for a friend who wanted to learn The raven that refused to sing. I thought maybe someone here wants it.
I'm pretty sure it has plenty of mistakes but my music "habilities" doesn't go that far  :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/dCR8xQA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dTwvoSM.jpg)

Sorry for doing it on paper. I did it on class  ;D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on September 05, 2014, 06:17:41 AM
Cool I'm setting down at the piano in a few minuten to see if it's any good!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on September 05, 2014, 09:17:24 AM
Lol, I already spotted a mistake, but you'll notice that in the last part (noted as part E) the first note of the second bar should be a C, not an A. My mind went off for a moment I think  :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 05, 2014, 09:44:59 AM
On a one-to-five scale of similarity, one being "totally different", three being "similar traits", and five being "basically identical", Grace for Drowning and Raven are probably like a three. Raven wasn't totally safe but it wasn't a total risk either.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 05, 2014, 11:37:37 AM
Insurgentes was a risk. It was his first solo album, and his main influences and sounds on the album were more obscure and experimental (noise/drone for example). I don't think either GfD or Raven are risks, because both are progressive rock albums, and most of SW's fanbase are already familiar with that genre. Even PT has a lot of 70's prog rock over some of their albums (and songs), so it was more of a natural extension of that, compared to Insurgentes which was more a combination of his obscure projects (Bass Communion and IEM) mixed with some PT-ness.

I think though what separates them is that Grace was the first album after PT sort of being disbanded, and by the time Raven came out, I think most people had already accepted that his solo project would be his main project from now on.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 05, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
I don't think it was much of a risk even though it was his name on it.  Every fan of his knew all his other side project like Bass Communion which expanded his influences.  Hell! P-Tree is diverse in their influences.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on September 05, 2014, 02:34:15 PM
I think that with Insurgentes Wilson was free to experiment a lot and that can be seen on the album. Lots of noise/drone/ambient/Post-Rock. Sometimes I feel like is a very disperse album, Really cool songs that feels disconnected between them. On the other hand, Grace for Drowning feels to me like the perfect balance between experimentation and what we all know Wilson for. It's maybe less of a risk, but is, to me, the best SW album to date.
The raven it's a step backwards in my opinion, even though I love how emotional are Drive Home and The Raven...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xanthul on September 05, 2014, 03:43:44 PM
I don't think it was much of a risk even though it was his name on it.  Every fan of his knew all his other side project like Bass Communion which expanded his influences.  Hell! P-Tree is diverse in their influences.

Many fans probably knew about Bass Communion but it doesn't necessarily mean they had listened to it or even liked it. The audience for the BC sound isn't anywhere near as big as the one for PT, and the same goes for No-Man which is also represented in Insurgentes (Veneno anyone?)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 05, 2014, 09:35:13 PM
We were just talking risks and my point was Steven already takes risks before Insurgents came out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on September 10, 2014, 03:06:19 PM
Pictures by Lasse Hoile from the new album sessions:

https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/steven-wilson-and-band-recording-new-album-at-air-studios/#!prettyPhoto

:caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on September 10, 2014, 03:11:16 PM
Aweeeesome.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 10, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
Hell to the yeaaaah!!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 10, 2014, 04:46:24 PM
*Touches himself*
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 10, 2014, 05:17:29 PM
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 10, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
All of the above. This is awesome news and my penis is ready to explode upon listening.


...or my heart and emotions, depending on which route Wilson takes this time around. I'm hoping for some brooding melancholy.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sacul on September 11, 2014, 11:20:26 AM
(https://i61.tinypic.com/1675xcx.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 13, 2014, 12:30:22 PM
From Marco Minneman's Facebook...

Quote
Just finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on September 13, 2014, 02:03:22 PM
From Marco Minneman's Facebook...

Quote
Just finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal

ALREADY?!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 13, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
They're beasts :lol

Oh gawd, I'm more excited for another tour. I hope they come to Denver, but also like excuses to travel to new cities...
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lucien on September 13, 2014, 06:50:43 PM
(https://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SW-HCE-AIR-080914-23-1024x684.jpeg)

One of the songs has the title of "Ancestral".

That might be a working title though. Still interesting to see!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 13, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
Man, they work fast.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 13, 2014, 07:45:52 PM
From Marco Minneman's Facebook...

Quote
Just finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal


ALREADY?!

Yeah I'm quite shocked by how fast they recorded the album too, but at the same time we probably shouldn't be surprised because TRTRTS was recorded in only 7 days.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on September 13, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
From Marco Minneman's Facebook...

Quote
Just finished the recordings for the new STEVEN WILSON album in London.
It was a great vibe and I think the material came out great, too. See you soon on tour with that band again.... thank you Adam, Guthrie, Nick, and Steven. And also thank you Steve Orchard for the amazing sounds we got in the studio.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal


ALREADY?!

Yeah I'm quite shocked by how fast they recorded the album too, but at the same time we probably shouldn't be surprised because TRTRTS was recorded in only 7 days.
They might be still recording vocals, armonies and other little arrangements and details that can't be recorded with the live setup.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: TioJorge on September 13, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
Fuckin' brilliant! Ancestral...I like it. Ohhhhh it's that time of year!!! About to crank some Akerfeldt, Wilson, Townsend...my Fall-Winter trio of perfect man musk music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on September 14, 2014, 02:44:39 AM
Wow. That sure is fast. Can't wait for the album!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on September 28, 2014, 05:59:46 AM
I watched the Insurgentes documentary a couple of days ago and nearly died of laughter during the Disneyland bit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xTw7SVpRVU). :lol
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on September 28, 2014, 06:59:48 AM
The combination of "the happiest place on earth" with Steven Wilson's deadpan face and the creepy drone/ambient music is priceless.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on September 28, 2014, 07:17:56 AM
That Disneyland moment remains my favorite scene in the entire documentary...4 years later! I remembered shortly after the documentary came out I actually went there and tried to recreate the whole "Carousel Of Prog" thing  :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on September 28, 2014, 07:58:59 AM
That was hilarious for so many reasons.   :rollin
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on September 28, 2014, 10:15:21 AM
I remembered shortly after the documentary came out I actually went there and tried to recreate the whole "Carousel Of Prog" thing  :rollin
Awesome! :lol

Having discovered this glorious video I decided to change my avatar. :D
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 28, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Yeah, best part of the movie.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on September 29, 2014, 01:19:15 AM
Having discovered this glorious video I decided to change my avatar. :D
Haha, awesome!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on September 29, 2014, 07:56:47 AM
The exact tweet/FB post was:

Five more Steven Wilson classic album remixes are to be released this year, including two iconic 80’s albums that reached number 1 in the UK and USA respectively. All should be officially announced over the next few weeks.

I am trying to figure out what those 80s albums would be, too.  It'd be awesome if The Police's Synchronicity was one of them (it did go to number 1 both here and the UK), but does Wilson have the pull and name recognition to do a remix for a band as popular and mainstream as them?

SW just confirmed this morning that the 80s album is Tears for Fears' Songs from the Big Chair.  :tup :tup

Jethro Tull's War Child is also getting the SW 5.1 treatment.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on September 29, 2014, 08:14:19 AM
Whoa, the text announcing that came through to my phone as I was reading this  :lol

I don't have that album, but I do know that "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" was the #1 song on the day I was born.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on September 29, 2014, 10:05:33 AM
I really like Tears for Fears (The Seeds of Love is one of my favourite non-prog albums), so this is a pleasant surprise!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on September 29, 2014, 10:40:35 AM
Wow, I love that album.  Can't wait to hear Steven's 5.1 mix!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Nel on September 29, 2014, 05:00:36 PM
Yeah, the Tears For Fears official FB page just confirmed it.

Quote
Songs From The Big Chair will be re-released on November 10th, and will be available in 5 formats, including a 6-disc deluxe edition box set with previously unreleased material and a 5.1 surround sound mix by Steven Wilson.
More info at https://tearsforfears.com

Pretty awesome. I've been meaning to add the band to my collection, but don't own anything by them yet, so this will make for a good first purchase.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 29, 2014, 05:13:44 PM
Brilliant!  Songs from the Big Chair is one of the greatest albums of the 80s there I said it.   
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lucien on October 04, 2014, 07:06:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlHxl5Q3pIA

Steven Wilson @ AIR Studios. London, + new album previews. Sounds pretty cool.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 04, 2014, 07:34:14 PM
Wow I love the sound of those snippets, particularly the last two. Sounds like it may be a bit more varied than trtrts. High hopes would be an understatement!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 04, 2014, 07:36:11 PM
New studio update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlHxl5Q3pIA

Oups, ninja:d by Lucien!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 04, 2014, 11:48:00 PM
Yeah, definitely more varied. That last track sounds awesome- I wonder who the girl singing is?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on October 04, 2014, 11:50:33 PM
More electronics and straightforward pop songs? Hell yes! I liked The Raven, but I'm glad the next album will be more diverse, because prog isn't the only style SW is good at.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 04, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
True dat. That poppy song snippet didn't blow me away, but I generally love his poppier stuff so I'm curious to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Evermind on October 05, 2014, 03:41:15 AM
This last snippet is seriously amazing. I think I've listened to it like 20 times already.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2014, 03:41:28 AM
Jacked and pumped for this album. I get a kick out of most here.  Of course the next album would have a different feel to it.  That's Steven's M.O.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 05, 2014, 05:15:58 AM
That was awesome! Loved the last clip the most, but the poppy tune sounded pretty interesting.

Also got a Mastodon feel from the clean guitar part around 0:50. Hearts Alive, that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on October 05, 2014, 06:13:22 AM
Right. The cycle begins. The mysteries that will be revealed as the months go on.

Sounds like it'll be a mixture of shorter songs, then the "3 longer, more progressive songs" (quoth SW). Also, the female lead vocal in the last clip is a very interesting touch. Not many duets in SW's catalogue.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 05, 2014, 08:53:45 AM
:caffeine:
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: KevShmev on October 05, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
(https://gifpinner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/these-gifs-of-hot-chicks-butts-in-yoga-pants-will-substantially-increase-your-quality-of-life-bro-13926074094k8ng.gif)

The girl facing the screen = us when we get new SW info

The girl being caressed - the information

 :metal :coolio :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 05, 2014, 09:46:37 AM
fappfapapfpapfapppfapffapap
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 05, 2014, 10:15:13 AM
I'm torn between "yoga pants :drool:" and "somebody feed her so her thighs aren't so far apart  :|"
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on October 05, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
Less jazz and no 70s prog. I'm already in.
And those snippets are amazing.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Zantera on October 05, 2014, 11:58:55 AM
I went into the video skeptical and certain that I would be totally indifferent, but the longer the video went on, the more it won me over. Don't get me wrong, Steven Wilson is still one of my favorite musicians, and I will buy anything he puts out. But if this had been a straight follow-up in the 70s prog rock sound again, I would probably only buy it on autopilot, but basically everything he said about the album was great IMO.

+Variety and more influences (he does Prog great, but he is talented at so many genres, so I love this)
+Mix between long songs and short
+Keeping the same band (because at this point I really love the band)
+SW letting go of the prog and jazz elements might suggest a PT reunion is more likely now than it was a year ago (or maybe I'm just hoping)

The only part I feel a slight worry about is that, trying to pull off an album with a lot of variety can be tricky. While Raven was my least favorite album out of his solo albums, it's still very cohesive and consistent, and the overall theme is great. Making an album that kinda goes all over the place is harder, because it's hard to keep that feeling. But he pulled it off on Insurgentes (which was a bit here and there), and if anyone can craft an album it's SW, so I think the doubts are gone for now. And a duet at the end? Holy shit.

So yeah, from being a bit lukewarm and not overly excited, I feel like these comments re-awakened the excitement again.  :hat
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Mladen on October 05, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
That was interesting, especially the poppy bit.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: RoeDent on October 05, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
Looking back at page 1, this is the third album cycle covered on this thread. We're able to see immediate-aftermath reactions to both GFD and TRTRTS here.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 05, 2014, 01:24:29 PM
I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2014, 01:27:10 PM
I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.

I could not agree anymore.  I've loved all his output no matter what influences he has at the time.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on October 05, 2014, 01:33:18 PM
Do Steven Wilson CDs come with adult diapers? If not, they should.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 05, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.

I could not agree anymore.  I've loved all his output no matter what influences he has at the time.

Yeah, I remember being somewhat skeptical towards his experimental approach to Insurgentes when it first came out, but there was one moment where it just clicked and I went like HOLY SHIT.

Probably that moment in Abandoner when the huge distorted sound kicks in before the song ends.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 05, 2014, 01:34:38 PM
Do Steven Wilson CDs come with adult diapers? If not, they should.

I'll make sure the label knows this is not a luxury, but a necessity.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2014, 01:36:01 PM
Do Steven Wilson CDs come with adult diapers? If not, they should.

And a Steven Wilson fly swatter when he leaves your jaw wide open watching him live.

I think the quality of this man's music is such that, it doesn't matter if he goes in a wild pop-country-EDM extravaganzza, I'd still probably love it.

I could not agree anymore.  I've loved all his output no matter what influences he has at the time.

Yeah, I remember being somewhat skeptical towards his experimental approach to Insurgentes when it first came out, but there was one moment where it just clicked and I went like HOLY SHIT.

Probably that moment in Abandoner when the huge distorted sound kicks in before the song ends.

I love that he's not afraid to try some thing different.  He makes music for him and his passion for music shows in his craft.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on October 05, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
Yeah, I truly respect artists who can't stand the "been there, done that" feeling. SW, Opeth, Queen, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, those are the bands I hold, artistically, in highest esteem.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on October 05, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
Wilson might be my #1 musical hero this days, followed closely by Peter Gabriel.

There's no describing the wonderful things I've felt by listening to him. For years, I was extremely bummed he put Porcupine Tree aside (I still am, but to a lesser extent), but I think that once you fully comprehend his solo work it all makes sense (his decisions, at least). I don't care if it's with Porcupine Tree or his solo band, but I will always want him to keep creating music.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
I too always felt that Peter Gabriel walked that path as well.  Paul Simon too.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: rumborak on October 05, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
I need to know more about Paul Simon. Do we have a Paul Simont thread?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: King Postwhore on October 05, 2014, 01:51:57 PM
No we don't but his solo career is to die for.  There is a box set out that I have and then 3 albums after that that I own.  Fantastic, well thought out music with so many influences from around the world.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on October 05, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
I'm feeling some lightbulb sun vibes in this, now that i've listened it again.

BTW THAT BIT OF MUSIC AT THE END  :eek
Anyone recognizes the singer?
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PROGdrummer on October 05, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
I'm torn between "yoga pants :drool:" and "somebody feed her so her thighs aren't so far apart  :|"

definitely the latter.

thigh gaps ew
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: bout to crash on October 05, 2014, 06:57:40 PM
Yeah, I agree but my saying it just gets labeled as catty :p

Anyway, I am so pumped for this! Just a few more months. Can't wait til he announces a tour. I'm secretly hoping he doesn't come back to Colorado so I have a travel excuse.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: JayOctavarium on October 05, 2014, 08:24:05 PM
Seriously. I have to say seeing him on that last tour completely beat out any other musical adventure I went on last year. Best show ever.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Onno on October 06, 2014, 02:27:01 AM
Wow, those snippets in that video sound really amazing. They really sound quite different from SW's other solo albums, but I really love it. Can't wait for this album!
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PixelDream on October 06, 2014, 03:21:30 AM
The last snippet is again pure Wilson genius. Lovin' it.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on October 06, 2014, 05:29:58 AM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on October 06, 2014, 07:27:17 AM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
This.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Sacul on October 06, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
This.
Definitely this. I wasn't a huge fan on him when they played by here last time, so I won't miss this :metal .
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on October 06, 2014, 09:57:36 AM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.
This.
Definitely this. I wasn't a huge fan on him when they played by here last time, so I won't miss this :metal .
I was and missed them two times  :'(
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 06, 2014, 12:05:26 PM
I've seen him on both the GFD and TRTRTS tours and met him before or after the show both times. It is almost borderline mandatory that I see him live on the next tour.  :metal
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: pfillion on October 07, 2014, 03:18:39 PM
I think that Anneke Van Giersbergen is singing on the last song of the trailer.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Lucien on October 07, 2014, 04:02:01 PM
I think that Anneke Van Giersbergen is singing on the last song of the trailer.

I don't think so. I mean, if that were true it'd be really cool, but I don't think that's her.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: mike099 on October 07, 2014, 04:11:45 PM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.

Does SW tour the US?  Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US.  Worth the 200 mile trip.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 07, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.

Does SW tour the US?  Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US.  Worth the 200 mile trip.

Yes he does. On the last tour he played in Atlanta, GA and Tampa, FL which were the only shows he had in the southeast.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on October 07, 2014, 05:55:15 PM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.

Does SW tour the US?  Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US.  Worth the 200 mile trip.

Yes he does. On the last tour he played in Atlanta, GA and Tampa, FL which were the only shows he had in the southeast.
Just because I was there, it was St. Petersburg, FL actually :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: PolarizeMe on October 07, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
One thing's for sure, I will NOT miss them out on this tour.

Does SW tour the US?  Atlanta, GA would probably be my best hope if they tour the US.  Worth the 200 mile trip.

Yes he does. On the last tour he played in Atlanta, GA and Tampa, FL which were the only shows he had in the southeast.
Just because I was there, it was St. Petersburg, FL actually :P

Really? The tour date archive on his website stated otherwise :P
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Dark Castle on October 07, 2014, 06:14:53 PM
Yeah it's definitely supposed to be St. Pete, the State Theater's in St. Pete. Was a pretty rad concert.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: Xenon on October 07, 2014, 08:25:00 PM
At first it kinda reminded me of anneke, but the end it didn't sound like her.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: ? on October 25, 2014, 05:48:12 AM
Has anyone else listened to Sunsets on Empire by Fish? SW produced that record and wrote most of the music. You can hear his stamp all over the album - I recommend it even if you haven't listened to old Marillion or Fish's other solo releases.
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: pfillion on October 30, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
From Steven Wilson Facebook:

Myself and my friend Mariusz Duda - Official from Lunatic Soul - official / Riverside have teamed up to record a song together, and for a very special reason.

Alec Wildey was a young fan who for several years had been passionate about our music, actively helping out with promotion as a leading member of the Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson street teams from the tender age of 17, and setting up a street team for Mariusz in 2010. Some of you will almost certainly have met Alec, as he attended many of our concerts. If you did you will have found him to be a sensitive, extremely intelligent and articulate young man. He was a devoted and enthusiastic music listener and movie watcher, as well as a self-published poet, with a very bright future ahead of him.

Unfortunately on Christmas Eve 2013, Alec learned he had a cancer of the lymphatic system, followed shortly afterwards by an additional diagnosis of liver cancer. He began a course of aggressive chemotherapy and radiation treatment, but alas to no avail. At the end of July when he understood he had only a short time left, he emailed me to ask if it was possible that his two favourite musicians could set one of his poems to music, a long held dream of his. I immediately agreed but told him I would make a deal with him - I would make it happen if he could hang on long enough to hear it. We even discussed the possibility of him playing drums on the song himself.

Unfortunately he passed away only a few weeks later on 25th August at the age of just 26, and so the idea to record the song has now become about honouring Alec’s memory and all too short life, as well as a form of tribute to him and his family. One of Alec’s poems The Old Peace has been beautifully set to music by Mariusz and sung and performed by both of us. It is now available to download from Burning Shed for a modest sum in both high resolution FLAC and mp3, with 50% of the proceeds going to the medical centre that cared for Alec during his final months, and 50% going to other cancer support group charities. We would be happy if as many people as possible paid for the official download (so please don’t share it or upload it to any other sites) in order to raise as much as we can to help others that find themselves in the same awful situation. The song will be available to download until the end of January, after which all the proceeds will be paid over to the cancer support groups.

https://www.burningshed.com/store/stevenwilson/multiproduct/65/4853/

Mariusz Duda / Steven Wilson - The Old Peace

Words by Alec Wildey
Music by Mariusz Duda
Vocals / guitars - Mariusz Duda
Vocals / M-4000 mellotron / keyboards / hand percussion - SW
In memory of Alec Wildey.

(https://www.burningshed.com/covers/large4853.jpg)
Title: Re: Steven Wilson
Post by: lonestar on October 30, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
Has anyone else listened to Sunsets on Empire by Fish? SW produced that record and wrote most of the music. You can hear his stamp all over the album - I recommend it even if you haven't listened to old Marillion or Fish's other solo releases.

Holy shit, I never knew that. Bought the album at release time, saw the tour, even met Fish before the show, and never had any idea SW was involved.