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Title: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Plasmastrike on June 07, 2011, 09:59:34 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/JPetrucci

"A Dramatic Turn of Events"

1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This is the Life
5. The Shaman’s Trance
6. Outcry
7. Far From Heaven
8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Beneath The Surface
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
Well, there we have it.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Jirpo on June 07, 2011, 10:00:25 PM
Holy shit, its true, just logged onto facebook to see a whole heap of posts by JP.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Implode on June 07, 2011, 10:00:48 PM
 :| :| :| :| :| :|









 :omg:
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
Hory shit, it's true  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Jirpo on June 07, 2011, 10:01:19 PM
"Stay tuned on DT.net tomorrow morning"
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Jirpo on June 07, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
Man, JP really needs to learn how to use facebook mobile :D
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
I bet the album artwork and more official PR comes tomorrow.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 07, 2011, 10:02:57 PM
I think he's been hacked.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Jirpo on June 07, 2011, 10:03:36 PM
Wait, what if its a concept album? Not saying I want it to be or anything, but it could explain the wayward (and kinda wierd) album title.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
I'm not really feeling that album title, but as always I'm hoping for the best.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: blackngold29 on June 07, 2011, 10:04:10 PM
Who makes a post like that at midnight? RR's PR guy must be :facepalm:
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: chknptpie on June 07, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
9 tracks!
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Plasmastrike on June 07, 2011, 10:04:30 PM
Hacked? Ehh.. I don't know about thaaat, but regardless that's some ugly Twitter posting.

Also, sorry, I didn't notice the "A rumor" thread :(
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
Hacked? Ehh.. I don't know about thaaat, but regardless that's some ugly Twitter posting.

Also, sorry, I didn't notice the "A rumor" thread :(

His twitter posting has always been like that. Bears have big paws, not suitable for mobile tweeting.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Bruinsfan25 on June 07, 2011, 10:06:16 PM
If it's true, which songs are JMs? I'm guessing The Shama's Trance and Beneath The Surfaces.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Adami on June 07, 2011, 10:06:25 PM
9 tracks!

Yes, not at good as 12, but MUCH better than 6.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:06:31 PM
This thread takes precedence over that rumor thread now, because this is the official album thread. :)
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Adami on June 07, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
If it's true, which songs are JMs? I'm guessing The Shama's Trance and Beneath The Surfaces.

I'd assume Far from Heaven.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:07:18 PM
Aw shit, I predicted which track would be the best? 5? Figures the only song with a crappy title is the one I said. I bet it will be the instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
I really, really don't like that album title.  But, fair enough.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:08:22 PM
9 tracks!

Yes, not at good as 12, but MUCH better than 6.

Yes, but if it was 12, the nuggeteers would have a heyday.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Adami on June 07, 2011, 10:08:52 PM
Touche.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: Ħ on June 07, 2011, 10:09:15 PM
I think he's been hacked.
I hope he's been hacked.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 07, 2011, 10:09:51 PM
I never post in this subforum, but I was just dropping by to say that I respectfully don't really care for the new album title.


Also, "The Shaman’s Trance" is quite an interesting song title. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:10:10 PM
Fuck the album title, these are exciting news. It all makes me happy  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ddtonfire on June 07, 2011, 10:11:28 PM
That sounds like such a JP album title!

Shaman's Trance sounds like an instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:11:40 PM
I never post in this subforum, but I was just dropping by to say that the new title is fucking god awful.  Ew.


Also, "The Shaman’s Trance"


you've got to be kidding me

The Count of Tuscany, your argument is invalid
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lodeus on June 07, 2011, 10:13:06 PM
i could care less about titles as long as the material is good.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 07, 2011, 10:14:21 PM
I never post in this subforum, but I was just dropping by to say that the new title is fucking god awful.  Ew.


Also, "The Shaman’s Trance"


you've got to be kidding me

The Count of Tuscany, your argument is invalid
:rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 07, 2011, 10:14:28 PM
I actually don't mind "The Shaman's Trance". The second song has a crappy name IMO :(
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 07, 2011, 10:14:56 PM
This doesn't look like a Dream Theater album at all.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 07, 2011, 10:15:14 PM
(https://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a323/ckychrisb/dealwithit.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:15:18 PM
I actually don't mind "The Shaman's Trance". The second song has a crappy name IMO :(


NEVER GONNA BUILD ME UP

NEVER GONNA BREAK ME DOWN
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:15:30 PM
I love the album title. I just hope the album artwork isn't cheesy. And if it is, I hope it's cheesy in an awesome way.

"On the Backs of Angels" is a beautiful title and I see what James probably meant by "oozing with emotion"
"Build Me Up, Break Me Down" just sounds exciting as all hell of a song, and I bet it will be anthemic.
"Lost Not Forgotten" will almost definitely be the single based on the title and track placement; sounds really tense and epic
"This is the Life" sounds really optimistic and light; I think this song will be a cult classic, perhaps the next Myung?
"The Shaman's Trance" is a silly name and I hate it; I hope it is the instrumental because I don't want LaBrie singing about that subject.
"Outcry" sounds like it will be tremendous and intense.
"Far From Heaven"... ambiguous. Could be giant, could be a ballad, will probably have LaBrie sounding incredibly.
"Breaking All Illusions"...and
"Beneath the Surface"...these last two songs, both give me the feeling that they'll be so big, maybe the best penultimate and ending tracks Dream Theater has ever penned. I feel like one of them (or both?) is Myung. Just...

Ahhhhhhh
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 07, 2011, 10:16:26 PM
Build me up,
Break me down before you go-go.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
I am going to remind everyone to keep any criticisms they might have to be constructive and respectful.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TJPNET on June 07, 2011, 10:17:55 PM
I like the album title, though I hope I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on June 07, 2011, 10:18:46 PM
I don't understand everyone's beef with the album title. I think it's a great title and extremely fitting given all the dramatic events of the last 9 months, whether or not it has anything to do with them or not, this title just makes sense. The song titles are also intriguing. This is going to be a great one, no doubt.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
I like the album title, though I hope I'm not the only one.

I would probably like the album title more if it didn't seem to relate so closely to current events. I had hoped that the transition into this new phase would be natural, but with this title it would seem that the album isn't even out and already it's referencing something many of us would like to put in the past.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
Anyone else think "Lost Not Forgotten" is about Mike?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:20:14 PM
This seems more like a JP or JLB solo album list of song titles and album title, sort of.

This is good.


Anyone else think "Lost Not Forgotten" is about Mike?

Yeah, that was my first thought.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metropolis Pt. II on June 07, 2011, 10:21:04 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the album title, but I LOVE the tracklisting. Awesome titles.  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 07, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/hucoh/dream_theaters_new_album_title_and_tracklist/

Up-vote that thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:21:14 PM
I also get the feeling it will be the single. I just really hope it isn't too blatant... if the word "Mike" is in any of the songs, I will be... oh man... xD
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 07, 2011, 10:21:19 PM
I'm indifferent. It's a definite change that's for sure.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:22:13 PM
For me, Black Clouds and Silver Linings was a really beautiful and interesting title, and that's probably part of the reason why this one irks me.  Thought-provoking and beautiful to... a cliched phrase found in hundreds of novels?  Eh.  

But On The Backs of Angels sounds like an awesome song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: sneakyblueberry on June 07, 2011, 10:22:30 PM
I think he's been hacked.
I hope he's been hacked.

Just seems a little fish-like that there would be a post about a rumour from a foreign website then a disgustingly formatted tweet.  I hope its a hack because its the dumbest name.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 07, 2011, 10:22:40 PM
The song titles are more mysterious than the ones on BCSL, which is a good thing I think. They seem more inspiring than A Rite Of Passage or The Count Of Tuscany.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 07, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
names dont bother me. DT NEWS IS DT NEWS  YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


refer to my dealwithit JP on page 1 to cure your butthurt
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:23:29 PM
I actually prefer these names by a whole lot to BC&SL and SC names.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:23:35 PM
C'mon guys, why would somebody hack JP just to post a fake album name? Not worth anyone's risk or amusement.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on June 07, 2011, 10:24:19 PM
The thing that worries me the most about the title is the fact that it makes me fear that they are going to allude to Portnoy's departure in a very cheesy way.  In fact, many of the track titles suggest that as well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ultimetalhead on June 07, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
Pretty odd title, but I refuse to judge albums based on titles.

Also, someone earlier mentioned that because there's 9 tracks instead of 12, the "full circle" theory is gone, but you guys are forgetting that while SFAM had 12 tracks, it had 9 scenes.

WHAT NOW?!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
Uhh Jr's fanpage and personal page have both also mentioned this, so this is definitely official.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 07, 2011, 10:25:19 PM
I think he's been hacked.
I hope he's been hacked.

Just seems a little fish-like that there would be a post about a rumour from a foreign website then a disgustingly formatted tweet.  I hope its a hack because its the dumbest name.

Like others have said, his tweets are usually pretty badly formatted.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:25:30 PM
Pretty odd title, but I refuse to judge albums based on titles.

Also, someone earlier mentioned that because there's 9 tracks instead of 12, the "full circle" theory is gone, but you guys are forgetting that while SFAM had 12 tracks, it had 9 scenes.

WHAT NOW?!

Where is your God now?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:25:41 PM
Pretty odd title, but I refuse to judge albums based on titles.

Also, someone earlier mentioned that because there's 9 tracks instead of 12, the "full circle" theory is gone, but you guys are forgetting that while SFAM had 12 tracks, it had 9 scenes.

WHAT NOW?!

That was me and you SHATTERED MY FORTRESS
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:26:24 PM
I think he's been hacked.
I hope he's been hacked.

Just seems a little fish-like that there would be a post about a rumour from a foreign website then a disgustingly formatted tweet.  I hope its a hack because its the dumbest name.

And we have our first warning.

names dont bother me. DT NEWS IS DT NEWS  YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


refer to my dealwithit JP on page 1 to cure your butthurt

And that last part was unneeded, let's try and play nice.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: zxlkho on June 07, 2011, 10:27:01 PM
Not buying this.


(probably wasn't going to anyway)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: glaurung on June 07, 2011, 10:27:38 PM
Not buying this.


(probably wasn't going to anyway)

You're a nub.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:27:46 PM
The "Deal with it" picture was old within the first few seconds of seeing it. Please stop posting it because it's just kinda rude.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ddtonfire on June 07, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
I don't mind the album title, but must they be so literal?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Scooterfruit on June 07, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Very excited. There are objectively many many stupid song titles when taken out of context. Under a Glass Moon? sounds SO dumb but we all know it's a fantastic fantastic song. Queen released "A Night at the Opera" Out of context, that is weird and strange sounding.

So before we jump to conclusions, let's just remember we have no context.

All that being said, I'm super excited for this. My only complaint is that the album title is a bit of a mouthful. But that's me being picky.

Can't wait!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:29:27 PM
^Nice post, and welcome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 07, 2011, 10:29:46 PM
The "Deal with it" picture was old within the first few seconds of seeing it. Please stop posting it because it's just kinda rude.

hahahaha


anyway, for some reason the titles remind me of a 2000's era rush album
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:29:49 PM
Mouthful? Uh, SIX DEGREES OF INNER TURBULENCE? WHEN DREAM AND DAY UNITE? BLACK CLOUDS AND SILVER LININGS?

:P

So uh, guys, do you think the shows will be labeled "A Dramatic Tour of Events"?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:30:19 PM
Reminds me of Fate's Warning. I don't even really listen to Fate's Warning.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 07, 2011, 10:30:35 PM
I'm also indifferent to the album title, but it's not TOO far off from what I'd expect a DT album title to be. It's long, it's wordy, it's got a preposition (Into, From, Of, Of, as prior examples/uses). I think ADTOE will grow on me. Of course, we'll have people abbreviating it a NUMBER of ways - ADTOE (my preference), DTOE, and DTE (for those who take out articles and prepositions altogether).

Anyway, the song titles look very interesting and promising, for the most part. I remember how so many people were hyped up for the SC and BC&SL track titles and then they were disappointed by the lack of truly epic metal music to back up truly epic metal track titles.

I think these titles are a good mix, and aren't very same-y, as was the case with the SC/BC&SL ("A _____ To/Of ______" and "(In) The ______ Of _______"). I like them and I think the songs will truly reflect their titles, or vice versa.

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on June 07, 2011, 10:30:59 PM
Very excited. There are objectively many many stupid song titles when taken out of context. Under a Glass Moon? sounds SO dumb but we all know it's a fantastic fantastic song. Queen released "A Night at the Opera" Out of context, that is weird and strange sounding.

So before we jump to conclusions, let's just remember we have no context.

All that being said, I'm super excited for this. My only complaint is that the album title is a bit of a mouthful. But that's me being picky.

Can't wait!!

Black Clouds and Silver Linings was more of a mouthful, but nice post nonetheless and Welcome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:31:08 PM
Not buying this.


(probably wasn't going to anyway)

I really don't see that as a great attitude. I mean there are amazing albums I think have bad titles and vice versa, can't judge a book by its cover etc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:31:51 PM
Under a Glass Moon? sounds SO dumb but we all know it's a fantastic fantastic song. Queen released "A Night at the Opera" Out of context, that is weird and strange sounding.

I think that Under A Glass Moon is a fantastic title.  :S  And we do have some context - we know the situation with MP, and we know that this title seems to blatantly reference it.

Also, welcome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:32:33 PM
Not buying this.


(probably wasn't going to anyway)

I really don't see that as a great attitude. I mean there are amazing albums I think have bad titles and vice versa, can't judge a book by its cover etc.

Agreed. Not buying an album because you don't like its title is... asinine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
So uh, guys, do you think the shows will be labeled "A Dramatic Tour of Events"?

No, "This is the Tour"

It's literal, that's why
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 07, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
So Aniland, according to the bet you made, The Shaman's Trance will be the most lauded song on the album
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 07, 2011, 10:35:03 PM
im gonna be sneaking on my iphone tomorow like every 10 minutes to see the DT homepage.

Ill be at a girl scout camp making benches for a united way charity thing my work is sponsoring
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
So uh, guys, do you think the shows will be labeled "A Dramatic Tour of Events"?

No, "This is the Tour"

It's literal, that's why

Oh, like the song "This is the Life". I get it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:35:44 PM
So Aniland, according to the bet you made, The Shaman's Trance will be the most lauded song on the album

Fuck.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 07, 2011, 10:35:55 PM
Lost Not Forgotten is actually about Tarja.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 07, 2011, 10:36:44 PM
So Aniland, according to the bet you made, The Shaman's Trance will be the most lauded song on the album

Fuck.
Actually, I kind of think you maybe close. Sounds like it may be an instrumental
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:37:10 PM
So Aniland, according to the bet you made, The Shaman's Trance will be the most lauded song on the album

Fuck.

At least I'm not the only one eating my words.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on June 07, 2011, 10:37:22 PM
The Shaman's Trance sounds so much like an instrumental with world fusion elements.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:37:32 PM
Lost Not Forgotten is actually about Tarja.

In the end I'll always love you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:38:03 PM
The Count of Tuscany was fucking AMAZING, I don't see why people would be upset about The Shaman's Trance.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 07, 2011, 10:38:50 PM
I have a feeling that The Shaman's Trance will be a crazy instrumental showcasing the ridiculous musicianship of all the members.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 07, 2011, 10:39:31 PM
Complaining about titles is ridiculous. Through Her Eyes? Fatal Tragedy? Any song off of that album? Learning to Live? Are any of you really that surprised?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 07, 2011, 10:40:23 PM
The Count of Tuscany was fucking AMAZING, I don't see why people would be upset about The Shaman's Trance.

Exactly...TCOT is a top 5 DT song for me. This band still has it, and I am more than excited to hear how the shake-up will affect the music.

Edit:
Complaining about titles is ridiculous. Through Her Eyes? Fatal Tragedy? Any song off of that album? Learning to Live? Are any of you really that surprised?


This is a smart woman speaking. Very valid points. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 07, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
I for one am excited about this album now and the tracks sound really cool! The first track kind of sounds like Neil Peart wrote it. I don't know why, but I feel like the album will be lighter musically. And now it's obvious that MP will be brought up on this album
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:41:03 PM
Learning to Live?

I guess I'm in some minority of people who like song titles that everyone else hates.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ddtonfire on June 07, 2011, 10:41:19 PM
Yeah ADTOE!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on June 07, 2011, 10:41:47 PM
I'm very happy with the album and song titles. I'm more intrigued than ever now. It's just sound so different than anything before.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 07, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
Learning to Live?

I guess I'm in some minority of people who like song titles that everyone else hates.

Oh, don't take me wrong. I don't have any issues with any names of songs. They are what they are and I couldn't do any better thats for sure! It's just DT songs and album names are always a tad cliche, corny, or expected in my eyes I guess.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 07, 2011, 10:43:40 PM
I think album title and track titles are great. They seem more "honest" rather than trying hard not to be cliche or out-of-the-blue whilst being epic/original etc. I'm stoked.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 07, 2011, 10:43:46 PM
What if its a concept album about the last 9 months in the band's lives? :o

On the backs of Angels - represents their previous happiness about their lives after recording BC&SL, this is just the last 5 minutes of TCOT replayed over again to get people in a good mood about the album
Build me up, break me down - MP calls them all into have a discussion, leading them on to think he has some great news, such as he won't be doing growls anymore, (the band members spirits are lifted by this news!) but then tells them hes leaving (break me down). the band is devestated. the first half of this song will feature very happy music (even voice samples of MP's ANTR vocals in the background), before fading off to a slow moving ballad.
Lost not forgotten - A ballad about Mike and all they had been through, shows the band members dissapointment about him leaving. features JM singing, starting off with some slow remorseful singing, before we know it he is belting out screams remiscent of Rob Halford in Painkiller
This is the life - a song in the vain of "Friday" by RB, this shows the "partyin" lifestyle of the band (after their divorce with Mike, they went out to heaps of clubs and got drunk every night and stuff). Features some terrible lyrics, this is the single of the album. Gets wide radio play and causes DT to break through into the mainstream.
The shaman's trance - The band decides to have auditions, however no-one shows up so the Wizard must put a trance on MM, forcing him to be the bands new drummer. A dark scary song with some tribal chanting
Outcry - after announcing MP, much of the fanbase is devestated by the news. There is global rioting, some cities are burned to the ground. This isn't so much a "song" as a recording of angry protesters shouting curses on the streets, accompanied by a music video filmed by JP from his window
Far from heaven - a slow depressing song, basically the band are depressed and basically just dunno what to do next
Breaking all illusions(intro track)/beneath the surface - With rioters taking over the world in some kind of apocalypse, the band (just the 4 guys, as MM had been captured and sacrificed in outcry) gather together in a room to say their goodbyes to each other. Then, they realise what they truly are "beneath the human surface". breaking their illusions as humans, they transform into their alternate personalities, raging through the streets of new york. The Bear, the ninja, the wizard and the pirate rampage through the streets, killing innocent civilians, before finally the crowd realises they can't win and the fighting stops. this track is an epic, very heavy and dark, featuring Mikeal Akerfeldt (thats why he doesn't want growls on heritage, he put his everything into this track and never wants to hear another growl in his life).







Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 07, 2011, 10:45:44 PM
It's def official
https://www.dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#adtoe

I actually really really really like the album title and the song titles.

SEPTEMBER IS GOING TO BE EPIC! :corn :corn :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on June 07, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
I think album title and track titles are great. They seem more "honest" rather than trying hard not to be cliche or out-of-the-blue whilst being epic/original etc. I'm stoked.

^ Yes, this makes total sense. "Honest" is the world for it. More straight forward than anything in awhile, for the most part. I'm also stoked.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:46:54 PM
What if its a concept album about the last 9 months in the band's lives? :o

(plus the rest of the post)

I love you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: sonatafanica on June 07, 2011, 10:48:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0sLtj.png)


let's let the disappointment roll
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterLomaxus on June 07, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
I for one am excited about this album now and the tracks sound really cool! The first track kind of sounds like Neil Peart wrote it. I don't know why, but I feel like the album will be lighter musically. And now it's obvious that MP will be brought up on this album

I was thinking the same thing, as far as NP goes.  A few of the song titles made me think of RUSH.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:50:16 PM
I for one am excited about this album now and the tracks sound really cool! The first track kind of sounds like Neil Peart wrote it. I don't know why, but I feel like the album will be lighter musically. And now it's obvious that MP will be brought up on this album

Probably because of Clockwork Angels.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZBomber on June 07, 2011, 10:52:04 PM
img

let's let the disappointment roll


 :lol
Sounds like a lametastic party
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on June 07, 2011, 10:52:26 PM
Yeah the song titles remind me of some of the recent Rush song names, but also they seem like they could be songs from the WDADU era for some reason...  Beneath the Surface and Breaking All Illusions especially.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0sLtj.png)


let's let the disappointment roll

Just in case, I'd like everyone to know that is NOT the actual album cover.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 10:53:27 PM
IMG


let's let the disappointment roll

Just in case, I'd like everyone to know that is NOT the actual album cover.

  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 07, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Thank God. haha.

The first thing I said when I saw that picture was "What the fuck?!" :censored
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
THAT'S THE OPETH ALBUM COVER


YOU DON'T LIKE OPETH THAT MUCH DO YOU :neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: sonatafanica on June 07, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0sLtj.png)


let's let the disappointment roll

Just in case, I'd like everyone to know that is NOT the actual album cover.

yeah it is, that's portnoy falling from the tree

it's symbolic
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 07, 2011, 10:55:49 PM
God damn... now I can't sleep
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LCArenas on June 07, 2011, 10:55:58 PM
"On The Backs of Angels" sounds awesome. "The Shaman's Trance" reminds me a lot of Liquid Tension Experiment (I think It'll be an instrumental), and I can't think of "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" without thinking of Megadeth's "A Secret Place" (For no particular reason).

This should be great. Also I don't see the reason of the titles hate, they sound a lot more inspired than what we got on BC&SL.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 10:56:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0sLtj.png)


let's let the disappointment roll

Just in case, I'd like everyone to know that is NOT the actual album cover.

yeah it is, that's portnoy falling from the tree

it's symbolic

 :lol

now he's the rotted root in the family tree

you know, like in his song
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 10:59:23 PM
^Fuck. FUCK. Five stars.

"On The Backs of Angels" sounds awesome. "The Shaman's Trance" reminds me a lot of Liquid Tension Experiment (I think It'll be an instrumental), and I can't think of "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" without thinking of Megadeth's "A Secret Place" (For no particular reason).

This should be great. Also I don't see the reason of the titles hate, they sound a lot more inspired than what we got on BC&SL.

That Megadeth song is great, but how can you not think of "NEVER GONNA BUILD ME UP, NEVER GONNA BREAK ME DOWN?"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 07, 2011, 10:59:38 PM
Love the title, love the track names. It seems more free-spirited, judging by the titles.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 07, 2011, 10:59:47 PM
For the album title; I don't really have a strong initial reaction one way or the other. It's not an amazing title, but it's alright.

On the other hand, a lot of the track titles sound interesting. Especially because a lot of them don't sound like typical Dream Theater titles. I'm pretty excited right now.

Also, I'm calling it; The Shaman's Trance will be an instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: zxlkho on June 07, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
The title is pretty bad, but the track titles are alright I guess.


Still not buying it unless the vinyl is cheap.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 11:01:32 PM

Also, I'm calling it; The Shaman's Trance will be an instrumental.

I was the first to call it, broski.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 07, 2011, 11:02:01 PM
(https://www.5thelementmusic.com/images_march/Shamans%20Trance.jpg)


PHALLIC FIGURES

and a keyboard
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 07, 2011, 11:07:44 PM

Also, I'm calling it; The Shaman's Trance will be an instrumental.

I was the first to call it, broski.
Yes, but to be fair, I didn't read your post.

On another note, if you count scenes instead of tracks on SFAM, this continues the whole symmetrical track numbers thing counting outward from Octavarium.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LCArenas on June 07, 2011, 11:15:53 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread got at least one title right?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Next album will be 11 then? Sweet.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 07, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
On another note, if you count scenes instead of tracks on SFAM, this continues the whole symmetrical track numbers thing counting outward from Octavarium.

HOLY $#!T... You're right!

8   8   11   11   9   6   7   8   7   6   9

Whoa...It would be freakier if a couple of the tracks on ADTOE had movements, making the total number of songs/movements equal 12 (meaning one song might have 4 movements, for example).

Unintentional or not, this is pretty funny. Guess we'll see if DT12 and DT13 have 11 tracks on them, and then DT14 and DT15 with 8 tracks each.

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
Then DT16 pulls a Guided By Voices and has 26 tracks. Yep.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 07, 2011, 11:19:52 PM
Then DT16 pulls a Guided By Voices and has 26 tracks. Yep.

Or it's an EP effort with 6 tracks.

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mechanix1911 on June 07, 2011, 11:22:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0sLtj.png)


let's let the disappointment roll

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fllnsprrw on June 07, 2011, 11:23:51 PM
The album title is bleh but the song titles sound awesome! except for track 2, which will probably be the worst song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 11:27:24 PM
Learn how to spell the word 'best'.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 07, 2011, 11:34:28 PM
Because of track 2, I maintain a vague hope that Dreamtheater.net will feauture an elaborate Rickroll tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: D_Halco on June 07, 2011, 11:35:48 PM
That Shaman's Trance cover is the most serendipitous thing I've seen in my life, and I once saw a Unicorn that farted skittles.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 07, 2011, 11:36:55 PM
So, what are the odds that we get an album cover and a single tomorrow? Or at least an announcement of a single?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 07, 2011, 11:37:46 PM
I don't expect a single tomorrow.
But if we get a single tomorrow I will need to buy a new chair.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Scooterfruit on June 07, 2011, 11:43:27 PM
We will not get a single tomorrow. The album only JUST started to get mixed this week. No way we could have a song done and out there already.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 07, 2011, 11:46:50 PM
They used to do it in the 60s.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 07, 2011, 11:47:35 PM
We're most likely gonna get the cover art tomorrow, seeing as how the cover for Heritage was released a day or 2 after the title/tracklisting......and they're both on the same label and they both come out in September.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on June 08, 2011, 12:14:18 AM
I really like how the song titles sound, it's refreshing and dare I say "creative" when compared to the last 3 albums. I never thought I'd say this but I'm getting a bit excited for DT again, which is a nice surprise for me.
If James' vocals are what they weren't in the last 3 albums, this may be really amazing.
Also, I think Shaman's could be an instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RG93 on June 08, 2011, 12:17:17 AM
The album title isn't that bad, just not suitable for an album title.
The track titles are great ,although I thought they were Symphony X tracks at first.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wolfking on June 08, 2011, 12:24:52 AM
I actually find the song titles something more in the vein of James Labrie's solo offerings, than DT.  If we are getting 9 songs which are overall shorter in length, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 08, 2011, 12:26:11 AM
I really like how the song titles sound, it's refreshing and dare I say "creative" when compared to the last 3 albums.
 
I think that's why I like them so much
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on June 08, 2011, 12:34:51 AM
I don't really like the title, but I'm glad there are 9 tracks instead of 6 or 7.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 12:39:46 AM
Why don't people like the title?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 08, 2011, 12:40:20 AM
I think for some it's because it has MP written all over it and it's definately not something you'd expect
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 08, 2011, 12:41:16 AM
If it weren't for the obvious reference to Portnoy leaving there'd probably be more "oh, ok" reactions.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on June 08, 2011, 12:45:37 AM
Maybe there is some sort of a concept idea behind the album, not a story but still songs on the same subject or something. When I look into the titles more closely, I think there's something in common between the themes they may represent. If that's the case, the album title will make sense on its own too, not just point to MP's departure.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on June 08, 2011, 12:47:50 AM
I find the album title very cheesy, I didn't believe for a second that they would actually refer to Portnoy's leaving in the album title. Nice to see that we have song titles as well, they are just fine, and nine songs sounds good.

I have no doubt that the album is gonna kick some serious ass.  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 12:50:19 AM
Why don't people like the title?

1. It's a cliche.  To me, album titles should have at least some semblance of originality.  Whereas this title is a phrase which has appeared in a billion oldschool mystery novels.  I wouldn't mind if they included it as a line in a song somewhere, but to title the whole album that?  It's just weak to me.
2. I was personally hoping DT11 wouldn't be drenched in MP references, and it seems to me that the title indicates it will be.  The idea that they coincidentally came up with this title without thinking of the drummer switch is too big a coincidence for me to swallow.
3. It seems to scream, 'Hey, look at us, we're moving in a new direction!"  If they are moving in a new direction, good for them, but... like, I also wouldn't like an album called 'Really Good Stuff.'  Sure, I'd like an album to contain really good stuff, but I don't want the title to scream so obviously about it. 

It probably doesn't help that cool titles like Geometry of the Void were being discussed on DTF, either.  I had high expectations.

And for the record, I don't have any problems with the song titles themselves.  Except track 2.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gadough on June 08, 2011, 12:58:56 AM
*snip*


let's let the disappointment roll

Just in case, I'd like everyone to know that is NOT the actual album cover.

yeah it is, that's portnoy falling from the tree

it's symbolic

Chris, you never cease to make me laugh. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bolsters on June 08, 2011, 01:03:59 AM
Wow, when I first read about this title and track listing, I thought for sure it was fake. But now to have it confirmed by JP...eh, I don't know. It doesn't really matter to me since it's the music I care about, I'd listen to something I like regardless of its title or the name of the album it appeared on. This just seems to me to be milking the fact that Mike left more. Okay, he left, it was a big deal, but does the next album have to reference it? Especially when it has to be their most uninspired and uninteresting album title to date.

Also, some of the track titles...again, doesn't matter to me if the songs are actually good, but really, some of these are cheesy even by power metal standards. On The Backs of Angels and The Shaman's Trance especially. Though now I think about it, probably not much worse than The Count of Tuscany or The Best of Times or A Nightmare To Remember, so perhaps I am overreacting.

Still, album should kick ass no matter what it's called. Hopefully. :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on June 08, 2011, 01:13:04 AM
Wow I seriously cannot believe this is real.

While I figured there would be some reference to the Portnoy situation somewhere on the album, personally I'd have liked it to be subtle and kept to a minimum.  And while we don't necessarily know that the album title and some of the song titles are referring to that, some of 'em do sound kinda heavy-handed.

That said, it's definitely different for DT, and that's what I hoped for so far!

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 01:13:04 AM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/LemonyDT.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 08, 2011, 01:14:23 AM
 :lol  :rollin :rollin :lol

I can't stop laughing, especially Myung
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 08, 2011, 01:17:10 AM
If this is true, I love it. The song titles are really unusual compared to what they were called on the more recent releases, but it doesn't matter to me. The album title... Well, it might be indeed a nod to MP's departure, and it sounds a bit cliché'd, but I'm not one who thinks an album is worse because of a rather uninteresting title.

Also, a concept album can't be ruled imo (which isn't what I've been hoping for), but I'm still excited about it nonetheless.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 01:18:04 AM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/LemonyDT.jpg)

:hefdaddy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ? on June 08, 2011, 01:24:05 AM
Wow, I didn't imagine they'd release the album's details THIS soon! :omg: The titles don't really impress me, but hopefully the music itself will.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 01:29:19 AM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/LemonyDT.jpg)

:hefdaddy
That is so awesome, I was laughing for 5 minutes, literally!!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Anyway, now I'm very excited about new album!! Album title has JP vibe don't you think so? Titles are good, maybe Build Me Up Break Me Down has no DT vibe at all, but it could be great song anyway. The last two seems be epic, also The Shaman's Trance and Outcry. I'm ok with Shaman's to be instrumental. God I'm so excited!!! I hope we will get cover tomorrow!!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
*pic*

:hefdaddy
That is so awesome, I was laughing for 5 minutes, literally!!  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Anyway, now I'm very excited about new album!! Album title has JP vibe don't you think so? Titles are good, maybe Build Me Up Break Me Down has no DT vibe at all, but it could be great song anyway. The last two seems be epic, also The Shaman's Trance and Outcry. I'm ok with Shaman's to be instrumental. God I'm so excited!!! I hope we will get cover tomorrow!!!!

Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 01:37:51 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhh Titles are awesome!!!  Please artwork today :D and that picture is awesome hahhhaha  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 01:37:57 AM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/LemonyDT.jpg)

Oh my
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 01:38:45 AM
I'm calling it now: the album art will have a man in a library, lit by candles.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 01:40:30 AM
I'm calling it now: the album art will have a man in a library, lit by candles.
Wow, that woud be awesome...  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ? on June 08, 2011, 01:42:30 AM
I bet that Build Me Up, Break Me Down will be the first single...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Riceball on June 08, 2011, 01:45:05 AM
My two cents, for what its worth, re the discussion on concept albums; I get the feeling based on the album title and track list that it is more of a "themed" album along the lines of BC&SL. The title is a bit cliche, but some of the track names have me excited thats for sure.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bolsters on June 08, 2011, 01:46:07 AM
I know the lyrics aren't too similar, but for some reason the first thing I thought of when I read the title Build Me Up Break Me Down was the song Coco Jamboo. :facepalm: YA YA YEAH
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 01:49:52 AM
Build Me Up Break Me Down will be the new Status Seeker.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 02:07:33 AM
"Stay tuned on DT.net tomorrow morning"

Give it until at least Friday then  ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 08, 2011, 02:16:22 AM
Build Me Up Break Me Down will be the new Status Seeker.

Explain please.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 08, 2011, 02:18:35 AM
Oh wow, news. I don't really know what to expect based on titles alone, but I'm very interested to see what they come up with tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zantera on June 08, 2011, 02:29:11 AM
New album and song-titles has actually gotten me a bit more psyched about this album.
Yes, this certainly seems like something quite different from the latest releases, and seeing as I haven't fully enjoyed an album of theirs since 6DOIT/ToT, this is fairly interesting for me at least. :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 02:29:54 AM
Build Me Up Break Me Down will be the new Status Seeker.

Explain please.

Eddie Trunk said so :neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 02:30:41 AM
Interesting news. I don't mind the title though. I wonder what kind of album it will be.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mariocalin on June 08, 2011, 02:39:43 AM
How can you judge the Album with only the name of the songs? You don´t even have heard the songs so, wait for the music and then we will be able to judge. Now we can´t
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 08, 2011, 02:52:58 AM
This album has now been made 10 times more difficult for MP to comment on. I kind of just thought about that
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 08, 2011, 02:54:16 AM
The Title:  A Dramatic Turn of Events - I actually love it.  There was no way to remove this album from the events surrounding it.  So rather than get over poetic and lyrical or up their own asses they just went for something simple, to the point, and a little whimsical.  They couldn't have made "Shit Happens" the title, but this gives me the same feeling.

1. On the Backs of Angels - Oh my god is that a song title.  This better be a great song or it's a huge waste of a name.
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down / 3. Lost Not Forgotten - These are fine.  Could be melodrama, or they could be just cool songs.  I still feel positive.
4. This is the Life - I feel some exuberance here.  Or maybe it will be ironic.  Very nice.
5. The Shaman’s Trance - I don't know exactly why but I really want to hear a song with this name.  Bring it on.
6. Outcry / 7. Far From Heaven - Maybe they aren't the most unique phrases/ideas ever, but these are titles of song's I'd like to hear DT's take on.
8. Breaking All Illusions - This just seems like it could be cool.
9. Beneath The Surface - Like six and seven, a DT track specifically with this title appeals to me.

Overall - Like a couple other people have posted, I really enjoy how... different this feels.  Between 8vm, SC, BCSL, and now ADTOE (w00t with the abbreviation), this might be the most excited I've been about a tracklisting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on June 08, 2011, 03:04:32 AM
Great surprise! I should stop reading DTF posts :-) I was excited like hell when I saw the album and track titles and now I'm much less. :-)

I like it that they refer to the dramatic turn of events that we witnessed. Of course I'd not be very happy to hear lyrics like this though

Quote
"Oh Mike we're missing you so much,
why did you ever leave?
We'll never, never ever forget you,
all those good times we played together,
oh Mike,
oh Mike,
our Mike..."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SDFprowler on June 08, 2011, 03:18:27 AM
I really don't think it matters AT ALL what the songs are called without hearing any of the actual music, but it's nice to get some info about the new album.  Totally stoked about Myung writing lyrics again.

Also, within reason you can find any meaning you want in a word or a phrase.  Though the album title obviously and totally fits the whole situation with Mike, it doesn't necessarily have to do with him at all.

Also also, I like the song title Outcry.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 08, 2011, 03:23:39 AM
The Title:  A Dramatic Turn of Events - I actually love it.  There was no way to remove this album from the events surrounding it.  So rather than get over poetic and lyrical or up their own asses they just went for something simple, to the point, and a little whimsical.  They couldn't have made "Shit Happens" the title, but this gives me the same feeling.

1. On the Backs of Angels - Oh my god is that a song title.  This better be a great song or it's a huge waste of a name.
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down / 3. Lost Not Forgotten - These are fine.  Could be melodrama, or they could be just cool songs.  I still feel positive.
4. This is the Life - I feel some exuberance here.  Or maybe it will be ironic.  Very nice.
5. The Shaman’s Trance - I don't know exactly why but I really want to hear a song with this name.  Bring it on.
6. Outcry / 7. Far From Heaven - Maybe they aren't the most unique phrases/ideas ever, but these are titles of song's I'd like to hear DT's take on.
8. Breaking All Illusions - This just seems like it could be cool.
9. Beneath The Surface - Like six and seven, a DT track specifically with this title appeals to me.

Overall - Like a couple other people have posted, I really enjoy how... different this feels.  Between 8vm, SC, BCSL, and now ADTOE (w00t with the abbreviation), this might be the most excited I've been about a tracklisting.

Once again, a terrific post by ReaP. I especially agree on OTBOA being a killer song title. I also love Far From Heaven.
I don't know, but I get a really "atmospheric" feel from reading some of the song titles. Of course, any assumption on how it will actually sound is moot, but I can definitely imagine OTBOA having some sort of an ambient intro.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: STEVETHEATER on June 08, 2011, 03:47:30 AM
Yeah, the album title is a bit corny, not very creative... but hey it's just a title. The music will be awesome, as always.
My prediction is that Thomas Ewerhard is gonna do the artwork... and i'm sure he will do a great job at it , love his work.

Maybe I'll give it a shot at it very soon...   ;)

Steve
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 03:53:43 AM
Yeah, the album title is a bit corny, not very creative... but hey it's just a title. The music will be awesome, as always.
My prediction is that Thomas Ewerhard is gonna do the artwork... and i'm sure he will do a great job at it , love his work.

Maybe I'll give it a shot at it very soon...   ;)

Steve

What makes you think that Steve?  ;)  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 03:53:45 AM

Maybe I'll give it a shot at it very soon...   ;)

Steve

DO IT
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 08, 2011, 04:04:03 AM

Maybe I'll give it a shot at it very soon...   ;)

Steve

DO IT
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 04:06:43 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

People don't like "A Dramatic Turn of Events?"

Ah well, minority of one.

Also, get ready on the acronyms. ADToE! Feat. OTBoA, BMUBMD (what a title!), LNF, TitL (its title is TitL! Brilliant), TST, Outcry, FFH, BAI, BTS. Where's that fella with the fantasy novel?

Outcry and Bring Me Up, Break Me Down are definitely my favourite titles. BMUBMD sounds like it could've been on the Cleaning Out the Closet CD; it's in the same sort of vein as "Where Are You Now?," "Don't Look Past Me," "The Way It Used to Be," et al. Bit of an odd title, but dead cool.

Also, while The Shaman's Trance is the weakest title, it does make me excited for the music within.

EDIT: Ah! No. Just seen the last page. Real Pasta likes it to. Ohhhh, the awakening of ReapwebStER comes closer and closer.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: STEVETHEATER on June 08, 2011, 04:08:43 AM
Yeah, the album title is a bit corny, not very creative... but hey it's just a title. The music will be awesome, as always.
My prediction is that Thomas Ewerhard is gonna do the artwork... and i'm sure he will do a great job at it , love his work.

Maybe I'll give it a shot at it very soon...   ;)

Steve

What makes you think that Steve?  ;)  :)

Mike was very involved in the artwork and he had a very good relationsship with Hugh Syme (he made the last 4 DT album covers).
I think Thomas made all artwork for James Labrie's soloalbums, including the Keep It to Yourself and MullMuzzler 2.
So my guess is he will get the job... just a hunch.  ;)  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DP_Gumby on June 08, 2011, 04:36:15 AM
I looked at Thomas Ewerhard's list of artwork.  :omg:

He has done some incredible pieces of artwork. Just go to his website and take a look at it.  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LTE777 on June 08, 2011, 04:54:28 AM
Put the music from Images and Words or Awake behind those songs titles and album name and they suddenly dont look as bad as everyone is making out  ;)

This album is going to be unreal and anyone who disagrees is on the 'DT expectation level is unrealistically high' bandwagon.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 04:55:36 AM
I looked at Thomas Ewerhard's list of artwork.  :omg:

He has done some incredible pieces of artwork. Just go to his website and take a look at it.  :metal
Ewerhard made LaBrie, Dominici, Spock's Beard, Eden's Curse... Dream Theater is the missing one only here ;)
edit:  :omg: what a t-shirts!!! definitly the best I've ever seen!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: STEVETHEATER on June 08, 2011, 05:05:36 AM
I looked at Thomas Ewerhard's list of artwork.  :omg:

He has done some incredible pieces of artwork. Just go to his website and take a look at it.  :metal
Ewerhard made LaBrie, Dominici, Spock's Beard, Eden's Curse... Dream Theater is the missing one only here ;)
edit:  :omg: what a t-shirts!!! definitly the best I've ever seen!!!

Yeah, Ewerhard is an awesome designer... he's more extreme and grungy than Syme.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 05:07:25 AM
Oh my God is this real? I just woke up and read that rumor thread first and it all escalated from there!

I just Mangini'd so hardcore.

Not sure about the album title yet. It doesn't seem to roll off the tongue so well, but I can get used to it. The song titles are awesome, and sound a lot less metal and more prog to me, except maybe This is The Life, that one just sounds strange.

So excited.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on June 08, 2011, 05:15:02 AM
Whenever I think of 'This Is The Life', it reminds me of the Foo Fighters song 'Ain't It The Life' (if you haven't heard it, Youtube it). And this is a good thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 05:18:24 AM
Just occurred to me...

A Dramatic Tour of Events.

Inevitable, or too silly?

Alternatively, A Dramatic Tour of the World or A Dramatic Tour of the Universe or, perhaps, A Dramatic Tour of Europe / the US / Asia, etc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 05:19:19 AM
Why don't people like the title?

1. It's a cliche.  To me, album titles should have at least some semblance of originality.  Whereas this title is a phrase which has appeared in a billion oldschool mystery novels.  I wouldn't mind if they included it as a line in a song somewhere, but to title the whole album that?  It's just weak to me.
2. I was personally hoping DT11 wouldn't be drenched in MP references, and it seems to me that the title indicates it will be.  The idea that they coincidentally came up with this title without thinking of the drummer switch is too big a coincidence for me to swallow.
3. It seems to scream, 'Hey, look at us, we're moving in a new direction!"  If they are moving in a new direction, good for them, but... like, I also wouldn't like an album called 'Really Good Stuff.'  Sure, I'd like an album to contain really good stuff, but I don't want the title to scream so obviously about it. 

It probably doesn't help that cool titles like Geometry of the Void were being discussed on DTF, either.  I had high expectations.

And for the record, I don't have any problems with the song titles themselves.  Except track 2.

I really don't mind any of that, DT can name their albums whatever they want, and sing about whatever they want. If they feel the need to sing about MP there's nothing wrong with that, since they were in the middle of it and actually have feelings to express. Fans are just, as always, worrying about whether it's fair or in good taste, which is completely inconsequential, because drama is what makes things interesting.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on June 08, 2011, 05:21:40 AM
Anyone else think the album title lends itself perfectly to a killer stage setup and video show?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 05:22:10 AM
Whenever I think of 'This Is The Life', it reminds me of the Foo Fighters song 'Ain't It The Life' (if you haven't heard it, Youtube it). And this is a good thing.

It reminds me of this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYvuS9OxdA
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 05:22:31 AM
Why don't people like the title?

1. It's a cliche.  To me, album titles should have at least some semblance of originality.  Whereas this title is a phrase which has appeared in a billion oldschool mystery novels.  I wouldn't mind if they included it as a line in a song somewhere, but to title the whole album that?  It's just weak to me.
2. I was personally hoping DT11 wouldn't be drenched in MP references, and it seems to me that the title indicates it will be.  The idea that they coincidentally came up with this title without thinking of the drummer switch is too big a coincidence for me to swallow.
3. It seems to scream, 'Hey, look at us, we're moving in a new direction!"  If they are moving in a new direction, good for them, but... like, I also wouldn't like an album called 'Really Good Stuff.'  Sure, I'd like an album to contain really good stuff, but I don't want the title to scream so obviously about it. 

It probably doesn't help that cool titles like Geometry of the Void were being discussed on DTF, either.  I had high expectations.

And for the record, I don't have any problems with the song titles themselves.  Except track 2.

I really don't mind any of that, DT can name their albums whatever they want, and sing about whatever they want. If they feel the need to sing about MP there's nothing wrong with that, since they were in the middle of it and actually have feelings to express. Fans are just, as always, worrying about whether it's fair or in good taste, which is completely inconsequential, because drama is what makes things interesting.


For what it's worth, "Geometry of the Void" is an awful, awful title.

No offence to anyone who came up with it, but seriously - completely meaningless, it's just a list of "cool" words. It sounds like a twelve year old writing sci-fi. Or an Italian power metal band trying to write a song in the style of Dream Theater. They've never used titles like that - Octavarium's the closest, and that was taken from a classical text.

Helix of the Universe. Vibrant Trigonometry. Palpitations of a Human Heart. Anyone can come up with jargon and call it a title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 08, 2011, 05:30:28 AM
 There was no way to remove this album from the events surrounding it.
I don't know. What about just ignoring the whole MP situation? Maybe it was emotionally difficult, but nobody's forcing them to include any references in the album.

I don't like the tittle, but it's just that, it shouldn't matter. I remember everybody being really excited about SC's song tittles that sounded so badass, heavy and dark (The Ministry of Lost Souls, In the Presence of Enemies, The Dark Eternal Night), predicting that In Constant Motion was their new instrumental, etc., and being disappointed when they heard the music. Almost every expectation formed at this stage is bound to be proven wrong.

I'm on the camp of those who don't expect any significant departure from the last albums, but that's not bad by any means. I enjoy the album for the music it contains and not by comparing it with what the band produced before.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 05:31:05 AM
Why don't people like the title?

1. It's a cliche.  To me, album titles should have at least some semblance of originality.  Whereas this title is a phrase which has appeared in a billion oldschool mystery novels.  I wouldn't mind if they included it as a line in a song somewhere, but to title the whole album that?  It's just weak to me.
2. I was personally hoping DT11 wouldn't be drenched in MP references, and it seems to me that the title indicates it will be.  The idea that they coincidentally came up with this title without thinking of the drummer switch is too big a coincidence for me to swallow.
3. It seems to scream, 'Hey, look at us, we're moving in a new direction!"  If they are moving in a new direction, good for them, but... like, I also wouldn't like an album called 'Really Good Stuff.'  Sure, I'd like an album to contain really good stuff, but I don't want the title to scream so obviously about it. 

It probably doesn't help that cool titles like Geometry of the Void were being discussed on DTF, either.  I had high expectations.

And for the record, I don't have any problems with the song titles themselves.  Except track 2.

I really don't mind any of that, DT can name their albums whatever they want, and sing about whatever they want. If they feel the need to sing about MP there's nothing wrong with that, since they were in the middle of it and actually have feelings to express. Fans are just, as always, worrying about whether it's fair or in good taste, which is completely inconsequential, because drama is what makes things interesting.


For what it's worth, "Geometry of the Void" is an awful, awful title.

No offence to anyone who came up with it, but seriously - completely meaningless, it's just a list of "cool" words. It sounds like a twelve year old writing sci-fi. Or an Italian power metal band trying to write a song in the style of Dream Theater. They've never used titles like that - Octavarium's the closest, and that was taken from a classical text.

Helix of the Universe. Vibrant Trigonometry. Palpitations of a Human Heart. Anyone can come up with jargon and call it a title.

Agreed, although titles like that DO work for some genres. I would see Pagan's Mind or maybe something like Spastic Ink have an album name like that, and I wouldn't mind it one bit. DT have always been about more down-to-earth issues, though how awesome would it be if they made a sci-fi concept album? :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on June 08, 2011, 05:34:06 AM
I don't want to read too much into it, but all the press releases, including the one below make me think that we might see some kind of departure from their recent style.

Quote
(New York, NY): The recent announcement that Mike Mangini would be joining Dream Theater, replacing departed drummer Mike Portnoy caused such fanfare that  Mangini was a trending topic on Twitter, second only to England's Royal Wedding. Now, the band is revealing more information about their upcoming album. The new album is titled A Dramatic Turn of Events. The much-anticipated platter, which marks Mangini's recorded debut, will be released via Roadrunner Records on September 13th and will be supported by a massive world tour.

"I'm incredibly psyched with the way this album came out and can't wait to share it with everybody," guitarist John Petrucci, who also serves as the producer for A Dramatic Turn of Events, said. "We are currently in the mix stage with the great Andy Wallace and it's all sounding amazing!"

 "We have poured our hearts and minds into the creation of this album," keyboardist Jordan Rudess offered. "All the life changing events that surrounded us before,  as well as during the whole process, fueled our desire to dig deep within ourselves and create the best music we possibly could."

Vocalist James LaBrie said, "In the grand scheme of Dream Theater's career, the last several months have been such an incredibly positive, fulfilling and rewarding experience. The new songs and sound has never been so spirited or rejuvenating. I cannot wait for every one of our fans to sink their audio senses into this batch of tunes."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 05:37:14 AM
I don't want to read too much into it, but all the press releases, including the one below make me think that we might see some kind of departure from their recent style.

Quote


Vocalist James LaBrie said, "In the grand scheme of Dream Theater's career, the last several months have been such an incredibly positive, fulfilling and rewarding experience. The new songs and sound has never been so spirited or rejuvenating. I cannot wait for every one of our fans to sink their audio senses into this batch of tunes."

How poetic ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: AcidLameLTE on June 08, 2011, 05:39:54 AM
Cool. Not too sure about the title "The Shaman’s Trance" though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 08, 2011, 05:40:06 AM
The titles suggest an album full of Raise the Knives - in the subject matter sense.


Also, get ready on the acronyms. ADToE! Feat. OTBoA, BMUBMD (what a title!), LNF, TitL (its title is TitL! Brilliant), TST, Outcry, FFH, BAI, BTS. Where's that fella with the fantasy novel?

All we need now is FFS.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 05:49:29 AM
Ohhhh, the awakening of ReapwebStER comes closer and closer.

Now I'm really excited :caffeine:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: snapple on June 08, 2011, 05:54:09 AM
To be honest, I love it. Can't wait for it. Hate to use a meme, BUT-

Hater's gonna hate.

I have a feeling that most of the people who don't like the tracklisting and album name would have been unhappy with anything they did. I also argue that it is VERY original for Dream Theater.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 05:56:52 AM
Snapple knows what's up  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lordxizor on June 08, 2011, 05:58:36 AM
Love it! Can't wait to hear it! I haven't been this excited for a DT album since Six Degrees. My only hope is that they have one song related to the MP mess and then move on to other topics. And the Shaman's Trance better be as good as TCOT turned out to be! :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 08, 2011, 05:59:33 AM
I also argue that it is VERY original for Dream Theater.

I fully agree with this, which is the reason why I'm so intrigued by this. As I said before, it drifts away a bit from the names that we had with SC and BCASL, and I love it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 08, 2011, 06:20:23 AM
I don't want to read too much into it, but all the press releases, including the one below make me think that we might see some kind of departure from their recent style.

Quote
(New York, NY): The recent announcement that Mike Mangini would be joining Dream Theater, replacing departed drummer Mike Portnoy caused such fanfare that  Mangini was a trending topic on Twitter, second only to England's Royal Wedding. Now, the band is revealing more information about their upcoming album. The new album is titled A Dramatic Turn of Events. The much-anticipated platter, which marks Mangini's recorded debut, will be released via Roadrunner Records on September 13th and will be supported by a massive world tour.

"I'm incredibly psyched with the way this album came out and can't wait to share it with everybody," guitarist John Petrucci, who also serves as the producer for A Dramatic Turn of Events, said. "We are currently in the mix stage with the great Andy Wallace and it's all sounding amazing!"

 "We have poured our hearts and minds into the creation of this album," keyboardist Jordan Rudess offered. "All the life changing events that surrounded us before,  as well as during the whole process, fueled our desire to dig deep within ourselves and create the best music we possibly could."

Vocalist James LaBrie said, "In the grand scheme of Dream Theater's career, the last several months have been such an incredibly positive, fulfilling and rewarding experience. The new songs and sound has never been so spirited or rejuvenating. I cannot wait for every one of our fans to sink their audio senses into this batch of tunes."

Interesting. What are the things that call your attention that could bring new things to the album? (besides the obvious MP departure). To me, it sounds exactly like what every band in the world says about their upcoming album.

Hey, everything reminds me of the time before SC was released. JLB said something like "the vocals are done, this is the most fun I had recording vocals since Awake" (that was on the DVD, too). Again, people were expecting a lot from that, even a return to the style of Awake (guácala), JLB in top form, etc. Alas, it didn't happen. Again, I'm sure I'll like the album, but nothing affects my expectations before actually listening to the music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on June 08, 2011, 06:33:27 AM
^^ Which is why I don't want to read too much into it, but the quotes from JR and JLB are a little different from the standard "I'm so excited for everyone to hear this".
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 06:39:18 AM
If I keep hopes that the new album will suck, then when I get it, and I love it, I will not be let down.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 06:40:44 AM
I don't care much for the album title but frankly I don't really care in general.  I just want the music itself to be good.  Cannot wait for tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 08, 2011, 06:41:27 AM
9 songs = nice.

The title and the songs sound slightly concepty to me.

Looking forward to hearing it. Shaman's Trance sounds so cool.

Edit: Yeah, I meant 9. Convinced one is instrumental though *saves face*   ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 06:42:07 AM
^9 songs, you mean?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 08, 2011, 06:42:47 AM
I don't care much for the album title but frankly I don't really care in general.  I just want the music itself to be good.  Cannot wait for tomorrow.

What's gonna happen tomorrow?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 06:42:56 AM
The Shamans Trance, could have JM lyrics. Also, its a great title, and sounds like it'll be amazing. Better than Lost Not Forgotten, that sounds like a single. But either way I'm happy we got titles.

Now we wait for the 13th of September.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 06:45:59 AM
I don't care much for the album title but frankly I don't really care in general.  I just want the music itself to be good.  Cannot wait for tomorrow.

What's gonna happen tomorrow?

They said stay tuned for tomorrow for more information.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: axeman90210 on June 08, 2011, 06:46:14 AM
To me A Dramatic Turn of Events doesn't really sound like an album title, but that doesn't really bother me. I really don't usually give album titles much thought.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 08, 2011, 06:46:31 AM
Oh, cool.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lordxizor on June 08, 2011, 06:46:34 AM
The Shamans Trance to me sounds very much in line with JP's recent trend of fantasy lyrics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 08, 2011, 06:47:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-S2VawDDU

CANT WAIT FOR THE STAGE PROPS
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 06:48:31 AM
Well tomorrow is today now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 08, 2011, 06:53:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-S2VawDDU

CANT WAIT FOR THE STAGE PROPS
hahaaha  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 06:54:58 AM
Also I have never been more pumped for a DT album ever  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 06:57:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-S2VawDDU

CANT WAIT FOR THE STAGE PROPS
Siema Maciek ;) widzimy się w Katowicach rozumiem :P for those who don't understand, "Howdy Matthew! We'll see in Katowice right :P ? "  :metal sorry for OT ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on June 08, 2011, 06:57:30 AM
Upon more thought...DT isn't a lyric-driven band with great titles left and right.  Most titles are pretty cheesy, so I'll be optimistic and hope that the music is great.  The thing that is most exciting about the announcement is the 9 songs.  I think BCSL's weakness was that it didn't bulk up DT's catalogue, so I'm excited to see that this truly is a new chapter.

Also....

WDADU - 8 songs
IAW - 8 songs
Awake - 11 songs
FII - 11 songs
SFAM -12 songs
SDOIT -6 songs
TOT - 7 songs
OVM - 8 songs
SC - 9 songs
BCSL - 6 songs  <-- middle album?
ADTOE - 9 songs
DT12 -8
DT13 - 7
DT14 - 6
DT15 - 12
DT16 - 11
DT17 - 11
DT18 - 8
DT19 - 8

Looks like we've got 8 more albums to look forward to. :caffeine:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 08, 2011, 06:57:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-S2VawDDU

CANT WAIT FOR THE STAGE PROPS
Siema Maciek ;) widzimy się w Katowicach rozumiem :P for those who don't understand, "Howdy Matthew! We'll see in Katowice right :P ? "  :metal

Na 99% będę :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 06:59:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-S2VawDDU

CANT WAIT FOR THE STAGE PROPS
Siema Maciek ;) widzimy się w Katowicach rozumiem :P for those who don't understand, "Howdy Matthew! We'll see in Katowice right :P ? "  :metal

Na 99% będę :)
:tup 99% brzmi dobrze :2metal:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 07:00:30 AM
SC - 9 songs

Nope
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 08, 2011, 07:00:52 AM
No ten 1% to jakby się świat skończył :D

OK, sorry for the OT guys, we had to embrace the fact of being the only two Poles here ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 07:06:41 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 07:08:36 AM
Polish DT Fans on today's morning leaded by 5 and me, oh it's me  :biggrin:->

5 -> :2metal:                       The Silent Cody -> :2metal:

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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Fran521 on June 08, 2011, 07:16:10 AM
The albmu title it's just "meh" for me, but the tracklist look really, really great!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 07:24:45 AM
A little earlier it said on the Wiki page that Shaman's Trance was instrumental, but it's gone now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 08, 2011, 07:25:48 AM
Man, so many haters for the album title.......you'll all get used to it, people!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 08, 2011, 07:26:10 AM
Whenever I think of 'This Is The Life', it reminds me of the Foo Fighters song 'Ain't It The Life' (if you haven't heard it, Youtube it). And this is a good thing.
Actually, I think about 'This Is Your Life' which is a great The Killers song.

Also, as far as The Shaman's Trance, the first thing that popped into my mind (and not in a good way) was this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Shaman_ritual.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 07:28:26 AM
A little earlier it said on the Wiki page that Shaman's Trance was instrumental, but it's gone now.
It also said that tracks 7 and 8 were written by John Myung.

Some overeager fan making up nonsense. He could be right! But it's a guess. Album 12 could be called "Batcave," but I'm not putting it on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 08, 2011, 07:28:51 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wjc on June 08, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
Of course they're going to write about MP's departure, given the stuff in BC&SL I think they take what inspiration they get

Also song titles remind me of recent IM a bit
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 07:39:36 AM
The albmu title it's just "meh" for me, but the tracklist look really, really great!

Yes, my actual first thought was that it is a little too similar to the concept of black clouds and silver linings; both titles sort of imply the same type of thing. Not EXACTLY, I know, but samey in that they're about situations that change or move from a negative to positive result. I also wish it wouldn't so blatantly reference MP's departure.

Whatever, I'm sure the music will be great.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
Wow, when I first read about this title and track listing, I thought for sure it was fake. But now to have it confirmed by JP...eh, I don't know. It doesn't really matter to me since it's the music I care about, I'd listen to something I like regardless of its title or the name of the album it appeared on. This just seems to me to be milking the fact that Mike left more. Okay, he left, it was a big deal, but does the next album have to reference it? Especially when it has to be their most uninspired and uninteresting album title to date.



Why not? It happened didn't it? It's a lot more interesting than JP making up some cheesy fantasy, this is actually based in real emotions. I know I'd write a song about it if I was in a similar situation. I also know I wouldn't really give a crap that some fans are like "oh noes, we don't talk about MP anymore, I can't believe they did this". It may be some kind of no-go subject for some, but I'm sure the band has a different feeling about it, and they have every right to sing about it.  

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 07:45:49 AM
Nightwish did it with "Bye Bye Beautiful," and that song rocks hard.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RandalGraves on June 08, 2011, 07:49:38 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

September 13th.  I'll take it!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 07:50:04 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 08, 2011, 07:50:20 AM
Not exactly the kind of names I would expect. Looks like the guys (specially JP) were strongly influenced by the recent events, of course. But, even if they name the album "Boogie boogie Jamboree" or "Party at the beach", I would still be anxious about it.

What about a hidden track named "MP can suck it"?

Too much?

OK. Sorry.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
Not exactly the kind of names I would expect. Looks like the guys (specially JP) were strongly influenced by the recent events, of course. But, even if they name the album "Boogie boogie Jamboree" or "Party at the beach", I would still be anxious about it.

What about a hidden track named "MP can suck it"?

Too much?

OK. Sorry.

Dream Theater - Love Beach.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 07:51:36 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

September 13th.  I'll take it!

They should've made the release date 11/11/11.  For teh nuggetz.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: skydivingninja on June 08, 2011, 07:51:59 AM
Can't believe I missed this thread for seven pages!  I just found out on facebook!  :lol

Album name sounds entirely too obvious, but all the tracks sound awesome!  Except "The Shaman's Trance," which is bound to become the new TCOT unless Aniland's prediction holds true.   ;)

And the album's coming out on September 13th?  Happy birthday to me!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 08, 2011, 07:54:55 AM
I can't wait for the new album! It will be full of ENERGY and POWAH ;D :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: skydivingninja on June 08, 2011, 07:58:47 AM
Oh man, what if "The Shaman's Trance" ends up being the one track Myung wrote?  And what if it happens to suck?  We're never going to want him to write again!  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 08:02:32 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

September 13th.  I'll take it!

They should've made the release date 11/11/11.  For teh nuggetz.

And when the album dawns... it dawns in FIRE!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 08, 2011, 08:03:13 AM
Oh man, what if "The Shaman's Trance" ends up being the one track Myung wrote?  And what if it happens to suck?  We're never going to want him to write again!  :rollin :rollin
He never sucks
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

September 13th.  I'll take it!

They should've made the release date 11/11/11.  For teh nuggetz.

Nooo, that would mean two more months to wait.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 08:06:37 AM
But nuggetz!!  Oh!  Or they could make the release 09/10/11. ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 08, 2011, 08:09:53 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?

Yes.  I don't get where you're coming from at all on that one.  It fits in perfectly with the AMBI concept.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 08:13:41 AM
Anybody heard or seen any comments from MP about this? I just checked his forum but nothing yet. Maybe he'll keep a low profile on this.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mebert78 on June 08, 2011, 08:14:43 AM
Initially, I agreed with Jaffa's post a couple pages back where he called the album title a cliche phrase.  I'm also not a fan of unoriginal cliche phrases either.  But I can let it slide since DT has used a cliche phrase as an album title almost all the time from "Black Clouds & Silver Linings" to "Train of Thought," etc.  

What bothers me the most about the title is that instead of focusing on their new beginning as band, the album title forces them to deal with the aura of Portnoy through the album release, tour, etc.  It begs more Portnoy questions in every interview too.  They should have took a more subtle approach with the title.  I think it's a poor choice.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on June 08, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
Anybody heard or seen any comments from MP about this? I just checked his forum but nothing yet. Maybe he'll keep a low profile on this.

Yeah I doubt MP will comment on this - if he's learnt his lesson from the last few months, that is.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2011, 08:16:41 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

September 13th.  I'll take it!

They should've made the release date 11/11/11.  For teh nuggetz.

Nooo, that would mean two more months to wait.

 :facepalm:
I can't believe I'm gonna do this but:

9+13+11 does in fact equal 11+11+11


Anyway, I think the title is cool, track listing is cool...bring it on!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 08:20:05 AM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

September 13th.  I'll take it!

They should've made the release date 11/11/11.  For teh nuggetz.

Nooo, that would mean two more months to wait.

 :facepalm:
I can't believe I'm gonna do this but:

9+13+11 does in fact equal 11+11+11


Anyway, I think the title is cool, track listing is cool...bring it on!!!

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy

Masterfully done, I wouldn't have noticed that otherwise. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 08:20:21 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?

Yes.  I don't get where you're coming from at all on that one.  It fits in perfectly with the AMBI concept.

It fits in perfectly with a low budget porno.

I hate the name - if you like it, good for you.

I was purely trying to illustrate that the song title has no bearing to the music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 08:20:51 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
Anybody heard or seen any comments from MP about this? I just checked his forum but nothing yet. Maybe he'll keep a low profile on this.

Why would Mike have any reason to comment on the tracklisting or release date?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 08:23:25 AM
Not that, the rather obvious album title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 08:27:26 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.

This. It fits perfectly with the theme of the AMBI.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 08, 2011, 08:28:03 AM
Initially, I agreed with Jaffa's post a couple pages back where he called the album title a cliche phrase.  I'm also not a fan of unoriginal cliche phrases either.  But I can let it slide since DT has used a cliche phrase as an album title almost all the time from "Black Clouds & Silver Linings" to "Train of Thought," etc.  

What bothers me the most about the title is that instead of focusing on their new beginning as band, the album title forces them to deal with the aura of Portnoy through the album release, tour, etc.  It begs more Portnoy questions in every interview too.  They should have took a more subtle approach with the title.  I think it's a poor choice.
Excellent post Mebert
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 08:29:38 AM
Not that, the rather obvious album title.

And say what?

BTW quoting helps  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sigz on June 08, 2011, 08:30:01 AM
Yeah, don't really care for the album title. At all. Some of the song titles are really interesting however.

And of course, they're all just titles. *shrug*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 08:31:18 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.

This. It fits perfectly with the theme of the AMBI.

I could care less about the theme...it's still a horrible song name to me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on June 08, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
I honestly don't care what it's called, I just want the music.

...But I actually happen to like the title and track names..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 08:36:02 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.

This. It fits perfectly with the theme of the AMBI.

I could care less about the theme...it's still a horrible song name to me.

So a song's name is more important than its theme or message?  :|
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 08:37:33 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.

This. It fits perfectly with the theme of the AMBI.

I could care less about the theme...it's still a horrible song name to me.

So a song's name is more important than its theme or message?  :|

Where did I say that?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 08:38:07 AM
JLBs latest tweet:

"I know most of you are aware of the album title and track listing. Someday in the not too distant future you will hear them...Raaaawk."

https://twitter.com/#!/Piratecjs
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 08:38:40 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.

This. It fits perfectly with the theme of the AMBI.

I could care less about the theme...it's still a horrible song name to me.

So a song's name is more important than its theme or message?  :|

Where did I say that?

You quoted the post you said it in. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 08, 2011, 08:41:32 AM
well i have been checking the forum a little throughout the day since I saw the announcement on Blabbermouth.

I dont know about the title and tracklisting titles.....i somehow lost track of DT titles after 6DOIT. i doint know why.
but none of the titles on this one are something i would remember in a blink of an eye, because of the name i guess... there's no WOW factor in those for me....
The names sound ...i dont know rock to me, a little too much Bon jovi-ish to me.

But than again, what's a title? as MP said with 8V dont judge a book by it's cover. and I also will not do so.
The music is what counts and the name pfff...it's just because they have to give it a name...but if they would have call it DT11, track 1  track 2 and so on..that would be ok for me too.

so now we have the album title, the track titles...next up.... the length of each track!??! i dont see no threads about it :P :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: rumborak on June 08, 2011, 08:44:34 AM
I like the song titles so far. The album name, wtf.

rumborak
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 08:45:50 AM
I mean...it's a suite about sexual repression in religion.

This. It fits perfectly with the theme of the AMBI.

I could care less about the theme...it's still a horrible song name to me.

So a song's name is more important than its theme or message?  :|

Where did I say that?

You quoted the post you said it in. :P

I could care less about the theme in relation to the song title - which is what we are talking about here.

Two separate things dude.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 08:47:37 AM
So far, I'm loving the titles, "On the Backs of Angels" sounds like something straight out of When Dream and Day Unite...

Oh, and their new tour should be called....















The Shaman's Tour :neverusethis:

No ten 1% to jakby się świat skończył :D

OK, sorry for the OT guys, we had to embrace the fact of being the only two Poles here ;)

Make that three of us ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 08, 2011, 08:52:41 AM

I could care less about the theme in relation to the song title - which is what we are talking about here.

Two separate things dude.

what? the song title should reflect the theme...unless i'm on crack.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: perfey on June 08, 2011, 08:55:29 AM
At first I thought it was the joke album title thread that had been "stickied", and lol :lol alot, but when I read on I saw it was true. Like others have said before me, a very unusual and blunt album name. Dunno about the song titles, but I get I'll get used to them, like when 8V, SC and BC&SL was new to me.

Anyway, rock on! 13 september can't get here fast enough (if thats the release date, its one day before my BD)  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: alirocker08 on June 08, 2011, 08:55:51 AM
They should've made the release date 11/11/11.  For teh nuggetz.

I actually love you <3

I had a late night last night (about 2am) Jon wakes me up at about 8:30am with a phone call telling me about the DT news. Needless to say, I couldn't get back to sleep.

Also, Shaman's Trance automatically makes me think of a damn fine psychedelic instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 09:04:09 AM
Also, Shaman's Trance automatically makes me think of a damn fine psychedelic instrumental.

Reminds me of PT's Idiot Prayer
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 09:08:13 AM
So far, I'm loving the titles, "On the Backs of Angels" sounds like something straight out of When Dream and Day Unite...

Oh, and their new tour should be called....















The Shaman's Tour :neverusethis:

No ten 1% to jakby się świat skończył :D

OK, sorry for the OT guys, we had to embrace the fact of being the only two Poles here ;)

Make that three of us ;)
:2metal: you living in UK?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 08, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
Also, Shaman's Trance automatically makes me think of a damn fine psychedelic instrumental.

Reminds me of PT's Idiot Prayer
Amorphis has a song called "Shaman".
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wkiml on June 08, 2011, 09:12:01 AM
I didn't read through the entire thread, but people are actually making a big deal about the album name and/or the song titles  :facepalm:

all that matters is that the music is great, who really cares what they call it
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 09:13:43 AM

I could care less about the theme in relation to the song title - which is what we are talking about here.

Two separate things dude.

what? the song title should reflect the theme...unless i'm on crack.

THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS - A THEME OR SUBJECT CAN BE INTERESTING/COMPELLING/PROVOKING BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE SONG TITLE(S) ARE AUTOMATICALLY GOOD.

OH MY GOD SOME PEOPLE ON HERE JUST LIKE DISAGREE, NICK PICK OR TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
I didn't read through the entire thread, but people are actually making a big deal about the album name and/or the song titles  :facepalm:

all that matters is that the music is great, who really cares what they call it
Yeah but it's cool when You have someone to share your emotions with ;) and even it can be funny here ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 08, 2011, 09:17:47 AM
THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS - A THEME OR SUBJECT CAN BE INTERESTING/COMPELLING/PROVOKING BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE SONG TITLE(S) ARE AUTOMATICALLY GOOD.

OH MY GOD SOME PEOPLE ON HERE JUST LIKE DISAGREE, NICK PICK OR TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT.

pot, kettle. no one said the title was automatically good. we said it fit the theme.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 09:22:03 AM
"Touring On the Backs of Angels"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: IdoSC on June 08, 2011, 09:23:02 AM
Awesome album title. INCREDIBLE song titles. Nine freaking songs, the most we had since (not including) SFAM (counting SDOIT CD 2 as one song, like most people do).


I'm gonna go ahead and quote Manny from Modern Family; "All this excitement, my heart is just going".
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 08, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
"Touring On the Backs of Angels"

 :rollin :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 09:23:46 AM
THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS - A THEME OR SUBJECT CAN BE INTERESTING/COMPELLING/PROVOKING BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE SONG TITLE(S) ARE AUTOMATICALLY GOOD.

OH MY GOD SOME PEOPLE ON HERE JUST LIKE DISAGREE, NICK PICK OR TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT.

pot, kettle. no one said the title was automatically good. we said it fit the theme.

Good one.

My inital post had nothing to do with themes. I just mentioned a song name I didn't like and said it had no bearing to the music.

Then it was insinuated that the song title was good because it tied so well into the theme.

Congratulations on taking a simple point that was written with positive intent and making mountains out of molehills.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 09:27:18 AM
I love how the last section in the history section on the band's Wikipedia page is now called "The Departure of Mike Portnoy and A Dramatic Turn of Events".  :lol

Also, the album title has grown on me over the past few hours. It sounds very modern.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
So far, I'm loving the titles, "On the Backs of Angels" sounds like something straight out of When Dream and Day Unite...

Oh, and their new tour should be called....















The Shaman's Tour :neverusethis:

No ten 1% to jakby się świat skończył :D

OK, sorry for the OT guys, we had to embrace the fact of being the only two Poles here ;)

Make that three of us ;)
:2metal: you living in UK?

Yep but my parents are full Polish
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 08, 2011, 09:34:55 AM
1. On the Backs of Angels - Oh my god is that a song title.  This better be a great song or it's a huge waste of a name.

This.

----------

I'm going to be honest: I really think this is going to be a concept album. The song titles seem to suggest that the concept will be something spiritual. The obvious ones are On the Backs of Angels and Far from Heaven, but we also have references to life (This is the Life), death (Lost Not Forgotten), spiritualism (The Shaman's Trance), and perhaps even hell (Beneath the Surface). I fully expect people to disagree, but I'm just raising this as a possibility.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
The album title reminds me of Schoenberg's Peripetie piece, which means "A Sudden change of Fortune"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 08, 2011, 09:36:21 AM
Congratulations on taking a simple point that was written with positive intent and making mountains out of molehills.

i didn't make a mountain out of anything. you resorted to yelling and calling people that disagree with you "nick pickers."

moving on...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ScioPath on June 08, 2011, 09:37:39 AM
How much you wanna bet that the album cover art is going to be the picture of Mike Portnoy waving from the Wither video.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 09:38:19 AM
The album title fits really really really well. In DT land MP leaving was a dramatic turn of events. That's the only thing I see as a MP reference, while the actual content will be hertfelt and simply amazing.

The song I'm most excited for is The Shamans Trance, what is wrong with that title? Its cool and in no way whatsoever dumb. This is the life sounds like an alright title, the weakest. But then it'll be amazing at the same time.

I feel the albums gonna be epic without being epic.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 08, 2011, 09:40:20 AM
LOVE the album title!  Seemingly very appropriate...LOL  I REALLY think this is going to be a landmark album by DT.  Everything points too it being just awesome.  Love the "Massive world tour" part... :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dynia on June 08, 2011, 09:40:43 AM
So far, I'm loving the titles, "On the Backs of Angels" sounds like something straight out of When Dream and Day Unite...

Oh, and their new tour should be called....















The Shaman's Tour :neverusethis:

No ten 1% to jakby się świat skończył :D

OK, sorry for the OT guys, we had to embrace the fact of being the only two Poles here ;)

Make that three of us ;)
:2metal: you living in UK?

Yep but my parents are full Polish

I ja z Polski ;)

I actually like the track titles, and the album title is not that bad.

But I don't really care as long as the music is good.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 08, 2011, 09:41:20 AM
FFS people, it's NIT Picking, not Nick Picking.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 09:42:11 AM
FFS people, it's NIT Picking, not Nick Picking.

Come on, now you're just nick nit picking.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 09:46:41 AM
1. On the Backs of Angels - Oh my god is that a song title.  This better be a great song or it's a huge waste of a name.

This.

----------

I'm going to be honest: I really think this is going to be a concept album. The song titles seem to suggest that the concept will be something spiritual. The obvious ones are On the Backs of Angels and Far from Heaven, but we also have references to life (This is the Life), death (Lost Not Forgotten), spiritualism (The Shaman's Trance), and perhaps even hell (Beneath the Surface). I fully expect people to disagree, but I'm just raising this as a possibility.

Yeah, but we thought the same thing when Train of Thought's tracklisting was announced, and then again with Systematic Chaos. Both had a lot of spiritual/religious references in the titles, and I'm sure it's a similiar coincidence with ADTOE.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 08, 2011, 09:46:55 AM
FFS people, it's NIT Picking, not Nick Picking.

 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 08, 2011, 09:47:20 AM
FFS people, it's NIT Picking, not Nick Picking.
True.  No one would pick Nick.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 08, 2011, 09:50:13 AM
1. On the Backs of Angels - Oh my god is that a song title.  This better be a great song or it's a huge waste of a name.

This.

----------

I'm going to be honest: I really think this is going to be a concept album. The song titles seem to suggest that the concept will be something spiritual. The obvious ones are On the Backs of Angels and Far from Heaven, but we also have references to life (This is the Life), death (Lost Not Forgotten), spiritualism (The Shaman's Trance), and perhaps even hell (Beneath the Surface). I fully expect people to disagree, but I'm just raising this as a possibility.

Yeah, but we thought the same thing when Train of Thought's tracklisting was announced, and then again with Systematic Chaos. Both had a lot of spiritual/religious references in the titles, and I'm sure it's a similiar coincidence with ADTOE.

Fair enough. I wasn't a DT fan for the release of ToT but I was for SC and I never perceived anything like that. We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 09:50:46 AM
Several people have expressed the sentiment that we shouldn't really care what the titles are as long as the music is good.

Fair enough.

But we don't actually know if the music is good.  It could be great, or it could be their worst album to date.

All we can comment on is what we know, and what we know is now the album title and track listing.  So why shouldn't we talk about the album title and track listing?  

I mean, what did you expect us to be talking about in a thread devoted to the announcement of titles?  

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 09:52:38 AM
Tracks 8 and 9 are gonna be connected for sure, Breaking All Illusions Beneath The Surface.

Hmm...I wonder if BAI is gonna be an interlude IE. Wait For Sleep.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
FFS people, it's NIT Picking, not Nick Picking.
True.  No one would pick Nick.

:lol :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 08, 2011, 09:56:15 AM
Several people have expressed the sentiment that we shouldn't really care what the titles are as long as the music is good.

But we don't actually know if the music is good.  It could be great, or it could be their worst album to date.


I don't think it's gonna be their worst album to date. I mean, they've said several times they have poured their hearts and souls in the making of this music. They took their time to craft something special, and I'm sure that's what it's gonna be.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
Several people have expressed the sentiment that we shouldn't really care what the titles are as long as the music is good.

But we don't actually know if the music is good.  It could be great, or it could be their worst album to date.


I don't think it's gonna be their worst album to date. I mean, they've said several times they have poured their hearts and souls in the making of this music. They took their time to craft something special, and I'm sure that's what it's gonna be.

I don't think it's going ot be their worst either.  I just think it's silly to expect people to focus on the quality of the music in a thread about titles before we even know the quality of the music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 09:59:00 AM
Congratulations on taking a simple point that was written with positive intent and making mountains out of molehills.

i didn't make a mountain out of anything. you resorted to yelling and calling people that disagree with you "nick pickers."

moving on...

Sure, I'll move on if you admit you mis-understood my point.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
So we're a few minutes from noon in the Eastern timezone, and no additional information on the site yet.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 09:59:50 AM
I can tell (A)DTOE and TDOE is going to cause some confusion on the forums  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 08, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
Itchy lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ScioPath on June 08, 2011, 10:03:07 AM
I can tell (A)DTOE and TDOE is going to cause some confusion on the forums  ;D

I wouldn't really think so.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nighthawkwill7 on June 08, 2011, 10:04:08 AM
Tour name possibilities.

Tour Me Up, Tour Me Down World Tour

Breaking All Tours

Tour From Heaven

Tour The Surface

On The Tours of Angels

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rafael Guerra on June 08, 2011, 10:04:30 AM
Titles are different, but I'm sure we will get used to them. I can almost imagine this album sounding a bit like Anathema's We're Here Because We're Here (just looking at the titles). Maybe the title would be a bit cooler if it was just "A Dramatic Turn", but I am fine with what they chose. Can't wait for artwork.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 10:04:55 AM
So far, I'm loving the titles, "On the Backs of Angels" sounds like something straight out of When Dream and Day Unite...

Oh, and their new tour should be called....















The Shaman's Tour :neverusethis:

No ten 1% to jakby się świat skończył :D

OK, sorry for the OT guys, we had to embrace the fact of being the only two Poles here ;)

Make that three of us ;)
:2metal: you living in UK?

Yep but my parents are full Polish
YES, we are growing in strenght here so goddamn quick!!!! :2metal: :2metal: ktoś z Trójmiasta?  :metal :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 10:06:29 AM
Tour name possibilities.

Tour Me Up, Tour Me Down World Tour

Breaking All Tours

Tour From Heaven

Tour The Surface

On The Tours of Angels

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
You forgot about Forgotten Tour  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: IdoSC on June 08, 2011, 10:06:49 AM
Tour name possibilities.

Tour Me Up, Tour Me Down World Tour

Breaking All Tours

Tour From Heaven

Tour The Surface

On The Tours of Angels

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
A Dramatic Tour of...


Yeah I missed on that one.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nighthawkwill7 on June 08, 2011, 10:08:09 AM
Tour name possibilities.

Tour Me Up, Tour Me Down World Tour

Breaking All Tours

Tour From Heaven

Tour The Surface

On The Tours of Angels

:neverusethis: :neverusethis: :neverusethis:
You forgot about Forgotten Tour  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 08, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: rumborak on June 08, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
The tour will be called "From Man to Mang".

rumborak
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 10:09:53 AM
The Dramatic Tour
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net

What?  It looks the same to me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 10:10:29 AM
A Dramatic Tour of Evenings (with)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on June 08, 2011, 10:11:10 AM
How much you wanna bet that the album cover art is going to be the picture of Mike Portnoy waving from the Wither video.
:lol

They should have took a more subtle approach with the title.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about today. I don't mind the idea of an album title referring to the departure of Mike Portnoy, I just think it could have been executed a bit better. Maybe they should have just called the album Drama, plain and simple. Yeah, people would maybe think of it as a Yes reference, but that's still better than a direct reference to Mike Portnoy.  :)

And you could connect Drama with the band's name rather nicely. LOL NUGGETS!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 10:11:53 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net

What?  It looks the same to me.
For me too... I almost shit in my pants Man  :corn :corn :corn :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 10:14:02 AM
A Dramatic Tour of Evenings (with)

If this happens, I'll probably have to withdraw my dislike of the album title. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 08, 2011, 10:15:51 AM
Guys!

www.dreamtheater.net

Wait, Mangini's the new drummer?

Seriously though, what's so special?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 10:16:13 AM
The album title fits with the Bands progression as a band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 08, 2011, 10:17:45 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net

I HATE YOU!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 10:18:01 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net
Holy shit, Mike Mangini is the new drummer!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 08, 2011, 10:19:48 AM
lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
 :omg: wut?? I was thinking that John Scatman is the new DT drummer, wtf?  ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 08, 2011, 10:24:34 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net
Holy shit, Mike Mangini is the new drummer!
HOLY SHIT. NO WAY MAN. :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: italianoman on June 08, 2011, 10:30:53 AM
Ah, September 13th can't come soon enough! I wonder when we'll get to see the cover-art?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SnakeEyes on June 08, 2011, 10:31:48 AM
"The Shaman's Trance"  

Is THIS what a "shaman" refers to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism     (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism    )

Please tell me there's not a song on the new DT album about.... THAT.  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
I'm sure it will be better than a Count's brother who liked to suck pipes.  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RuRoRul on June 08, 2011, 10:33:56 AM
Some titles look cool, some I'm not immediately fond of, but I'm sure I'll get used to them or at least just won't care.

Am I the only one that thinks the album title isn't supposed to be overly serious?  ??? Maybe I'm wrong though but I think it's better than one that's more vague but seems more serious, like if "Lost Not Forgotten" was the album title (regardless of whether that song will actually be anything to do with MP or not).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 08, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
Sure, I'll move on if you admit you mis-understood my point.

suit yourself
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SnakeEyes on June 08, 2011, 10:36:01 AM
I'm sure it will be better than a Count's brother who liked to suck pipes.  :)

Dude, "The Prophecy III: The Ascent" was better than that. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 08, 2011, 10:38:13 AM
"The beating of the drum allows the shaman to achieve an altered state of consciousness or to travel on a journey between the physical and spiritual worlds.[74] Much fascination surrounds the role that the acoustics of the drum play to the shaman. Shaman drums are generally constructed of an animal-skin stretched over a bent wooden hoop, with a handle across the hoop."

drum solo song (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/tard.gif)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 08, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
Tracks 8 and 9 are gonna be connected for sure, Breaking All Illusions Beneath The Surface.

Hmm...I wonder if BAI is gonna be an interlude IE. Wait For Sleep.

In whatever thread it was awhile back, the one speculating how many tracks, I put 9 with an instrumental.  I'm guessing track 8 to be that instrumental  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
What does word "morning" means for DT?  ;D shit I can't wait THE NEWS !!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 10:45:05 AM
Well they released it after midnight, so maybe it means tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 10:46:28 AM
Where I am it's still morning.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 10:46:39 AM
So we're a few minutes from noon in the Eastern timezone, and no additional information on the site yet.

I thought the additional info was the release date...no?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
So we're a few minutes from noon in the Eastern timezone, and no additional information on the site yet.

I thought the additional info was the release date...no?
I hope we'll get some more... ;) It was said "stay tuned on www.dreamtheater.net"...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 10:52:07 AM
So we're a few minutes from noon in the Eastern timezone, and no additional information on the site yet.

I thought the additional info was the release date...no?
It very well could be. We'll see when they post whatever it is on the site.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 08, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Shaman's Trance is the "song #5" that MM talked about in an interview. He said this song was a blast.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 10:53:33 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Shaman's Trance is the "song #5" that MM talked about in an interview. He said this song was a blast.

IIRC, he talked about track 6.  But I quite possibly don't recall correctly.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 08, 2011, 10:53:56 AM
What does word "morning" means for DT?  ;D shit I can't wait THE NEWS !!!!

If Roadrunners dwell on Venus, we may have to expect 243 earth days until "tomorrow moring"  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 10:54:17 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but The Shaman's Trance is the "song #5" that MM talked about in an interview. He said this song was a blast.

I think he said song 6

Edit: Ninja'd by Jaffa
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wkiml on June 08, 2011, 10:54:45 AM
Guys!


www.dreamtheater.net

What?  It looks the same to me.

same here
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 08, 2011, 10:56:33 AM
You're right.

Quote
DRUM!: Any new songs that were especially difficult?
Mangini: The one where I put the most amount of psychotic, two-things-at-the-same-time type of drumming would be track six [still unnamed as of press time]. While multi time signature shifts were going on, I was playing in a time signature that was completely different from those with one limb on one side of my body. And I was really hitting the drums. I’m very proud of it, but they liked it musically. I wouldn’t do it just to throw it in. I didn’t do it for that reason. I did it because I had a mathematical joy out of it. Oh, my gosh, it would be amazing to play in 7/16 here, but yet it’s changing time signatures 18 times or something.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on June 08, 2011, 10:57:52 AM
They might have changed the track order since then though
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 10:58:23 AM
They might have changed the track order since then though
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
I think Petrucci was spending a bit too much time on WoW... Its the first thing that came to mind when I read track 5
(https://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/12/WoWslogpost.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 08, 2011, 11:00:25 AM
They might have changed the track order since then though
That's what I think too. The Shaman's Trance has to be a crazy song. Nothing else can fit this title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 08, 2011, 11:01:57 AM
Track 6 is the 6th song they tracked.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 11:02:45 AM
I dunno.  For some reason, when I think of The Shaman's Trance, I'm instantly reminded of a sound similar to Godsmack's Voodoo.  Except, you know, DTier.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ML on June 08, 2011, 11:02:57 AM
I really hope that they'd use a real artist this time, so no Photoshop pieces with cut and past of free pics. Everyone with at least some eye and extra time can make good things with that toy, but I'd prefer a real oil-painting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 08, 2011, 11:17:36 AM
"This is the Life"?

... what if they made an Amy Macdonald cover?

Anyway, the song titles didn't come off as very DT-y for me, but I suppose the lyrics just became less fantasy-ish when Portnoy wasn't involved.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 11:18:47 AM
I thought we were supposed to be getting more info this morning?  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 08, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
Anyway, the song titles didn't come off as very DT-y for me

This.

I suppose the lyrics just became less fantasy-ish when Portnoy wasn't involved.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Portnoy's lyrics have almost always been personal whereas Petrucci's lyrics have been "fantasy-ish" in the past.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 11:21:29 AM
Track 6 is the 6th song they tracked.



Exactly, which has nothing to do with the order they appear in on the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 08, 2011, 11:22:02 AM
What if it actually is TOMORROW (Thursday) and not this morning?

The album and song titles were announced at around 12 AM (Wednesday, today)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 08, 2011, 11:24:57 AM
Ahh well there ya go
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 08, 2011, 11:26:16 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?

Yes.  I don't get where you're coming from at all on that one.  It fits in perfectly with the AMBI concept.

It fits in perfectly with a low budget porno.


Only if you don't know what Erotomania actually means.


Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: theusualmadness on June 08, 2011, 11:27:15 AM
What if it actually is TOMORROW (Thursday) and not this morning?

The album and song titles were announced at around 12 AM (Wednesday, today)

Dreamtheater.net says it was added on 6-7-2011
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 11:42:03 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?

Yes.  I don't get where you're coming from at all on that one.  It fits in perfectly with the AMBI concept.

It fits in perfectly with a low budget porno.

Only if you don't know what Erotomania actually means.


I know what it means and I have a general dislike for the term/word as a DT song or not.

Remember here we're taking song names OUT OF CONTEXT because we're comparing them the new songs just released which are also OUT OF CONTEXT.

My opinion is that I don't like the song title "Erotomania" so deal with it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 08, 2011, 11:47:32 AM
I suppose the lyrics just became less fantasy-ish when Portnoy wasn't involved.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Portnoy's lyrics have almost always been personal whereas Petrucci's lyrics have been "fantasy-ish" in the past.

That's true... then maybe it's because Petrucci decided to step away from the fantasy-like lyrics (i.e. in a "new direction"), along with the fact that Myung wrote some of them, or something.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 08, 2011, 11:52:26 AM
I suppose the lyrics just became less fantasy-ish when Portnoy wasn't involved.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Portnoy's lyrics have almost always been personal whereas Petrucci's lyrics have been "fantasy-ish" in the past.

That's true... then maybe it's because Petrucci decided to step away from the fantasy-like lyrics (i.e. in a "new direction"), along with the fact that Myung wrote some of them, or something.

Who's to say he stepped away from fantasy lyrics? Based on the titles, I could see a lot of these songs being tied into fantasy in some way.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 08, 2011, 11:53:15 AM
could people please stop saying that the title of the album is a reference to portnoy's leaving? in reality, we don't know, but most like it's a reference to the entire process that his leaving entailed. moving on, the search for a new drummer, selecting mangini, finding the new chemistry, etc. - i honestly dont think the ADCOE is only "about portnoy leaving."

also, i would like to be one of the few that actually defend the new title of the album. a bit predictable, perhaps, but it's a direct allusion as to how much the guys have had to go through this past year. we all knew that obviously that will be reflected in their music, and i for one sort of appreciate the openness of the title, despite not really liking it aesthetically. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 08, 2011, 11:58:33 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?

Yes.  I don't get where you're coming from at all on that one.  It fits in perfectly with the AMBI concept.

It fits in perfectly with a low budget porno.

Only if you don't know what Erotomania actually means.


I know what it means .

Then why do you think it has anything to do with porn?

Quote
My opinion is that I don't like the song title "Erotomania" so deal with it.

I don't really care whether you like it or not, but if you're unable to articulate a basis for that dislike, then I think your initial "Seriously?" response to me would seem to have been inappropriate. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 12:00:36 PM
Quote
could people please stop saying that the title of the album is a reference to portnoy's leaving?
No one has really been talking about that for a few pages now chief.

On another note, 'The Shaman's Trance' for some reason makes me think of a musical style somewhere between LTE and FII. Something very vibey.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 12:00:40 PM

I could care less about the theme in relation to the song title - which is what we are talking about here.

Two separate things dude.

what? the song title should reflect the theme...unless i'm on crack.

Let's be honest here, you totally are on crack.

(For the record I'm just joking, I don't mean any offense. :P)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 12:03:25 PM
Then why do you think it has anything to do with porn?

https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erotomania "abnormally strong or persistent sexual desire."

Not saying I associate the song with porn, but the definition of the word itself is pretty easily connected to porn.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 08, 2011, 12:04:19 PM
could people please stop saying that the title of the album is a reference to portnoy's leaving? in reality, we don't know, but most like it's a reference to the entire process that his leaving entailed. moving on, the search for a new drummer, selecting mangini, finding the new chemistry, etc. - i honestly dont think the ADCOE is only "about portnoy leaving."

You just implied that it is... albeit not explicitly. It is obvously, in part, a reference to Portnoy leaving, but not a direct one. Still, that doesn't make it less of a reference, does it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 08, 2011, 12:06:10 PM
Did anyone see this message on the MP board?

I thought it was funny...

A Dramatic Turn of Events  = DT Eleven

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 12:10:16 PM
Did anyone see this message on the MP board?

I thought it was funny...

A Dramatic Turn of Events  = DT Eleven



Whoa. :splodetard:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 08, 2011, 12:10:55 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

Is this the news or something else?

What becomes the tracklisting (what I noticed not until now) I am VERY surpised, I thought they invent complex and long song names but what are these "This is The Life" and "Outcry"? I have no idea what to expect from this album  :justjen

Sounds little bit that DT returns to its roots...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 12:12:09 PM
JPX, cool your jets. "Erotomania" is a terrific title. Let's move on.

A DRAMAAATICCCCCC... TURN OF EVENTS
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 08, 2011, 12:13:13 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the previous pages but if you're worried about the song titles being bad - see 'Erotomania'

Awful title - mind blowing music - so who cares what they're called right.

What's "awful" about Erotomania?

Seriously?

Yes.  I don't get where you're coming from at all on that one.  It fits in perfectly with the AMBI concept.

It fits in perfectly with a low budget porno.

Only if you don't know what Erotomania actually means.


I know what it means .

Then why do you think it has anything to do with porn?

Quote
My opinion is that I don't like the song title "Erotomania" so deal with it.

I don't really care whether you like it or not, but if you're unable to articulate a basis for that dislike, then I think your initial "Seriously?" response to me would seem to have been inappropriate. 

 - Regardless of what it means, it still sounds like the title of a cheap porno flick, does it not?

- And I'll give it to you on my seriously comment although I actually didn't mean it sarcastically. I guess I thought more people would think it's a dumb song name. But hey, I'm fine with being in the minority on that one.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 12:14:44 PM
I really hope that they'd use a real artist this time, so no Photoshop pieces with cut and past of free pics. Everyone with at least some eye and extra time can make good things with that toy, but I'd prefer a real oil-painting.

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_ADTOE_Cover2.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
Zook, I love you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 08, 2011, 12:15:22 PM
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Dream-Theater-Announce-New-AlbumRelease-Date-23046.aspx?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29&utm_campaign=FB%2B%28DT%2BPR%29

Is this the news or something else?

What becomes the tracklisting (what I noticed not until now) I am VERY surpised, I thought they invent complex and long song names but what are these "This is The Life" and "Outcry"? I have no idea what to expect from this album  :justjen

Sounds little bit that DT returns to its roots...

where wher you the last 11 pages ?? :-)
yes this is the news....
to it's roots well that does sound promising!! if it's the sounds and the song structure..than AMEN to that!! i love DT's old structure better than it has been for the lsat decade or so....
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 08, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
could people please stop saying that the title of the album is a reference to portnoy's leaving? in reality, we don't know, but most like it's a reference to the entire process that his leaving entailed. moving on, the search for a new drummer, selecting mangini, finding the new chemistry, etc. - i honestly dont think the ADCOE is only "about portnoy leaving."

You just implied that it is... albeit not explicitly.

no i didn't. check it -

The thing that worries me the most about the title is the fact that it makes me fear that they are going to allude to Portnoy's departure in a very cheesy way.  In fact, many of the track titles suggest that as well.

I think for some it's because it has MP written all over it and it's definately not something you'd expect

If it weren't for the obvious reference to Portnoy leaving there'd probably be more "oh, ok" reactions.

Why don't people like the title?
2. I was personally hoping DT11 wouldn't be drenched in MP references, and it seems to me that the title indicates it will be.

This just seems to me to be milking the fact that Mike left more.



i can keep going if you want me to.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 08, 2011, 12:19:31 PM

I could care less about the theme in relation to the song title - which is what we are talking about here.

Two separate things dude.

what? the song title should reflect the theme...unless i'm on crack.

Let's be honest here, you totally are on crack.

(For the record I'm just joking, I don't mean any offense. :P)

why i outta...   :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 08, 2011, 12:20:18 PM
OMG!! Song "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" leaked:  :omg: :omg: :omg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 08, 2011, 12:22:33 PM
you have a lot of free time if you can copy/quote from 11 pages  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
OMG!! Song "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" leaked:  :omg: :omg: :omg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5egA3dZ91Dc

I thought posting pirated material wasn't allowed?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 08, 2011, 12:28:11 PM
i can keep going if you want me to.

You completely missed what I was saying... you claimed that the album title is not a reference to Portnoy leaving, however I proceeded to say that it obviously was, although not an explicit reference, and that the fact that it isn't necessarily a direct reference doesn't make it less of a reference.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2011, 12:29:11 PM
OMG the cover leaked:

(https://i.imgur.com/An8jy.jpg)

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 12:35:07 PM
A million LOLs on your head.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaperKK on June 08, 2011, 12:35:28 PM
Terrible album name but I have my hopes up.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on June 08, 2011, 12:43:48 PM
I LOVE the album title, it's pretty epic. Beneath the Surface sounds pretty cool too.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 12:55:28 PM
Just to toot my own horn, was looking through the "make up your own eleventh album" thread, and check it out...

Just IMO, of course. And, as a gesture of goodwill, here is my awful attempt for you to - quite rightly - rip the living shite out of.

DREAM THEATER - The Truth
1. The Speed of Light
2. Lock and Key
3. One of the Family
4. Under the Surface
5. Spiralling
6. Surgical Gloves
7. The Sandstorm
Soooooo close!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: skydivingninja on June 08, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
I really hope that they'd use a real artist this time, so no Photoshop pieces with cut and past of free pics. Everyone with at least some eye and extra time can make good things with that toy, but I'd prefer a real oil-painting.

Hey now, Hugh Syme is a great album artist.  Just look at all the great stuff he did for Rush!  And Octavarium!  Blame BC&SL's album art on Portnoy's vision to go back to a more I&W/Awake-looking album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 01:04:48 PM
I really hope that they'd use a real artist this time, so no Photoshop pieces with cut and past of free pics. Everyone with at least some eye and extra time can make good things with that toy, but I'd prefer a real oil-painting.

Hey now, Hugh Syme is a great album artist.  Just look at all the great stuff he did for Rush!  And Octavarium!  Blame BC&SL's album art on Portnoy's vision to go back to a more I&W/Awake-looking album.
Yeah, with you on this. BCSL's artwork's kinda ugly. Chaos in Motion directly before, however, is gorgeous.

There is a tendency though, in Hugh Syme's work, that you can see the working out. Shadows not quite matching and identikit textures. I like Hugh Syme - love his work, in fact - but I'm ready for a change.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 08, 2011, 01:15:14 PM
Then why do you think it has anything to do with porn?

https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erotomania "abnormally strong or persistent sexual desire."

Not saying I associate the song with porn, but the definition of the word itself is pretty easily connected to porn.

That definition is not accurate.

Quote from: wiki
Erotomania is a type of delusion in which the affected person believes that another person, usually a stranger or famous person, is in love with him or her. The illness often occurs during psychosis, especially in patients with schizophrenia or bipolar mania.[1]

<snip>

During an erotomanic episode, the patient believes that a "secret admirer" is declaring his or her affection to the patient, often by special glances, signals, telepathy, or messages through the media. Usually the patient then returns the perceived affection by means of letters, phone calls, gifts, and visits to the unwitting recipient. Even though these advances are unexpected and unwanted, any denial of affection by the object of this delusional love is dismissed by the patient as a ploy to conceal the forbidden love from the rest of the world.[2]


The definition you quoted seems to have fallen prey to this:

Quote
The term erotomania is often confused with "obsessive love", obsession with unrequited love, or hypersexuality (see nymphomania). Obsessive love is not erotomania by definition.


Coincidentally, I just saw an episode of Criminal Minds that dealt with erotomania last night.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
Then why do you think it has anything to do with porn?

https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erotomania "abnormally strong or persistent sexual desire."

Not saying I associate the song with porn, but the definition of the word itself is pretty easily connected to porn.

That definition is not accurate.

The definition you quoted seems to have fallen prey to this:

Fair enough.  I'd never heard the term before DT, so hopefully you can't fault me for trusting dictionary.com.   :laugh:  My apologies. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 08, 2011, 01:24:05 PM
Then why do you think it has anything to do with porn?

https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erotomania "abnormally strong or persistent sexual desire."

Not saying I associate the song with porn, but the definition of the word itself is pretty easily connected to porn.

That definition is not accurate.

The definition you quoted seems to have fallen prey to this:

Fair enough.  I'd never heard the term before DT, so hopefully you can't fault me for trusting dictionary.com.   :laugh:  My apologies. 

No problem.  To be honest, I didn't know the meaning either, until I had read it in the DTFAQ back in the 90s. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2011, 01:30:45 PM
Anyone posting information about album leaks, including offering leaked material or asking for leaked material, will be banned.  No exceptions.  Depending on the seriousness of the offense, you will either be banned permanently, or at the very least, until release date. 

James, you've been around at least two album release cycles.  There is no excuse for you not knowing that what you posted is against the rules.  Last warning on that subject.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 08, 2011, 01:34:40 PM
I know I am going to sound like a broken record here but I think the album title sounds so bland and uncreative. It's not horrible or anything, it's just... You know? It's just... Meh.

But then again I am the original unseasoned fan.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on June 08, 2011, 01:37:09 PM
1. On the Backs of Angels - Oh my god is that a song title.  This better be a great song or it's a huge waste of a name.

This.

----------

I'm going to be honest: I really think this is going to be a concept album. The song titles seem to suggest that the concept will be something spiritual. The obvious ones are On the Backs of Angels and Far from Heaven, but we also have references to life (This is the Life), death (Lost Not Forgotten), spiritualism (The Shaman's Trance), and perhaps even hell (Beneath the Surface). I fully expect people to disagree, but I'm just raising this as a possibility.

I fully agree.  The track titles roughly follow what would happen or would be felt by the band members as they went through MP leaving and the aftermath.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: predator13 on June 08, 2011, 01:38:26 PM
This is the Life sounds like a groovy tune.  

Also,

9 divided by 3 is 3.  

 Put two 3s together (one mirror image 3) and you get 8, 8 + 3 = 11...this is DTs 11th album and comes out in the 11th year of 2011.  2 + 0 + 1 + 1 = 4...4 - 3 =1, this album will go #1 in the world.  And 3 x 2 = 6, the number of band members (including MP) DT had in 2010.  2 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 3.  

3.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2011, 01:41:22 PM
I know I am going to sound like a broken record here but I think the album title sounds so bland and uncreative. It's not horrible or anything, it's just... You know? It's just... Meh.

But then again I am the original unseasoned fan.

Here, let me help you with that.  :TOX:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 01:48:58 PM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_ADTOE_Cover3.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 01:49:45 PM
Zook, I love you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 01:50:08 PM
:biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on June 08, 2011, 01:51:56 PM
Just to toot my own horn, was looking through the "make up your own eleventh album" thread, and check it out...

Just IMO, of course. And, as a gesture of goodwill, here is my awful attempt for you to - quite rightly - rip the living shite out of.

DREAM THEATER - The Truth
1. The Speed of Light
2. Lock and Key
3. One of the Family
4. Under the Surface
5. Spiralling
6. Surgical Gloves
7. The Sandstorm
Soooooo close!

Do you think that they trolled the forums and took some of the album titles from here?  it's entirely possible lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 01:57:50 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.

I just double-checked for the heck of it, and don't see either one?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 02:00:22 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.

I just double-checked for the heck of it, and don't see either one?

This
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheMadgician on June 08, 2011, 02:01:24 PM
Outcry makes me think of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm9zQpDBys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm9zQpDBys)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 08, 2011, 02:11:56 PM
Outcry sounds like something you'd find on a JP solo album. It sounds very abstract.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 08, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
Just to toot my own horn, was looking through the "make up your own eleventh album" thread, and check it out...

Just IMO, of course. And, as a gesture of goodwill, here is my awful attempt for you to - quite rightly - rip the living shite out of.

DREAM THEATER - The Truth
1. The Speed of Light
2. Lock and Key
3. One of the Family
4. Under the Surface
5. Spiralling
6. Surgical Gloves
7. The Sandstorm
Soooooo close!

Do you think that they trolled the forums and took some of the album titles from here?  it's entirely possible lol


um.


what?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2011, 02:14:16 PM
I'm getting a pretty strong FII vibe from most of these song titles.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikostheater on June 08, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/LemonyDT.jpg)
This needs reposting..

I am very excited,i think it's going to be a fantastic album..
I love the title,the song titles are cool,the vibe from the band is great...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 08, 2011, 02:17:18 PM
I'm getting a pretty strong FII vibe from most of these song titles.

I totally see where you are coming from. Honestly, if the album was like FII, then I would still be happy as I think it gets too much flak, some killer songs on FII (ToT, HK etc)

I thought that myself but then I got a vibe of JP/JLB solo work.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 08, 2011, 02:24:46 PM
I know I am going to sound like a broken record here but I think the album title sounds so bland and uncreative. It's not horrible or anything, it's just... You know? It's just... Meh.

But then again I am the original unseasoned fan.
Agreed with your unseasonedness.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 02:26:41 PM
Outcry makes me think of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm9zQpDBys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm9zQpDBys)
Wow :2metal: and that voice...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2011, 02:27:18 PM
I'm hoping ONBOA and BTS is very strong ones. I mean as the opener and closer they should be one would think.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on June 08, 2011, 02:28:28 PM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_ADTOE_Cover3.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MS394 on June 08, 2011, 02:30:01 PM
For some reason the titles brought me a really "Satriani" vibe (I really could see "On The Backs of Angels" in a tracklisting besides song titles like Flying in a blue dream or Surfing with the Alien). Also, I think the album title is cool (brings a vibe similar to "A Nightmare to Remember" IMO). Still, everything sounds really interesting  :metal .
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on June 08, 2011, 02:31:22 PM
I've lived with the idea that the first track was called "On the backs of angles" all day. At first I didn't get it but the idea grew on me and I kinda thought it was really cool name. A minute ago I read it again and it said angels.  :-\

So who else think angles would be cooler?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.

I just double-checked for the heck of it, and don't see either one?



This

 :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2011, 02:33:34 PM
I've lived with the idea that the first track was called "On the backs of angles" all day. At first I didn't get it but the idea grew on me and I kinda thought it was really cool name. A minute ago I read it again and it said angels.  :-\

So who else think angles would be cooler?
Well it does make very little sense... so maybe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheMadgician on June 08, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
I've lived with the idea that the first track was called "On the backs of angles" all day. At first I didn't get it but the idea grew on me and I kinda thought it was really cool name. A minute ago I read it again and it said angels.  :-\

So who else think angles would be cooler?

Math is always cool.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 08, 2011, 02:38:37 PM
i'm not so familiair with the titles already that ONBOA and BTS doesn't say shit to me..... :lol

they would really suprise us if it would turn out in to a double album, 5 on 1 disc 4 on the other....

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on June 08, 2011, 02:42:06 PM
The Album title: Not digging it.

The song titles: I hate "Build me up, Break me Down" and "This Is the Life" but the rest of the titles sound amazing. I'd go as far as to say these titles are my favorite to date from DT. I'm VERY interested in hearing what "The Shaman's Trance" sounds like, if the song is anything like the feeling of the title, I'd expect it to be very mystical/dreamy/trippy.

I just hope the songs are as good as the names!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2011, 02:44:54 PM
I just hope the songs are as good as the names!
Knowing Dream Theater, they will. Knowing their fans, they wont.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2011, 02:45:54 PM
If this is true, I love it. The song titles are really unusual compared to what they were called on the more recent releases, but it doesn't matter to me. The album title... Well, it might be indeed a nod to MP's departure, and it sounds a bit cliché'd, but I'm not one who thinks an album is worse because of a rather uninteresting title.
This exactly. It's a little cliche'd, but less so than a lot of DT's song titles and less so than BC&SL. And it doesn't really matter if the material that backs it up is good. As someone else mentioned early in the thread, out of context "Learning to Live" is a cheesy title, but in the context of the music and the lyrics it is perfect.

And most of all I really like the fact that both the album and song titles are a little different for DT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 02:48:37 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.

I just double-checked for the heck of it, and don't see either one?
This
:corn
(https://skepticalteacher.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/its_a_conspiracy1.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 08, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
And most of all I really like the fact that both the album and song titles are a little different for DT.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 08, 2011, 02:57:10 PM
The song titles just made it a bit more exciting for me, it just seems like it has a completely different vibe than DT's latest albums, so its quite interesting to see where they're heading now.

Is it me or does the first half of the album give you a rather positive, Images & Wordsy vibe to it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 03:01:47 PM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.

I just double-checked for the heck of it, and don't see either one?

I made it up.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2011, 03:04:32 PM
Nice. I like this forum allready.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bone_Daddy on June 08, 2011, 03:07:46 PM
And most of all I really like the fact that both the album and song titles are a little different for DT.

 :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LCArenas on June 08, 2011, 03:12:31 PM
inb4 people leaking Static Impulse and saying it's A Dramatic Turn of Events
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Slain on June 08, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
Eh... The title does not change how excited I am for the album, but I think a few of the song titles would work better as an album title to be honest...

"Beneath the Surface"
"Breaking All Illusions"
"Far From Heaven"

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 03:20:07 PM
Oh well. It is what it is. I would have preferred "On the Backs of Angels" as the album title, and the first song being called "A Dramatic Turn of Events".
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Slain on June 08, 2011, 03:22:07 PM
Oh well. It is what it is. I would have preferred "On the Backs of Angels" as the album title, and the first song being called "A Dramatic Turn of Events".

True, I'm just being picky.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 08, 2011, 03:37:39 PM
Anyone else get the email from Roadrunner?

Could the header be a glimpse of the artwork/fonts on the artwork?

(https://i.imgur.com/MPcAV.png)

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2011, 03:38:31 PM
Oh well. It is what it is. I would have preferred "On the Backs of Angels" as the album title, and the first song being called "A Dramatic Turn of Events".
Nah I LOVE that one as a song title. I also love Far From Heaven and This is the Life. The rest are cool though, although Shaman's Trance is the obvious odd-one out, but I can hope for a TCOT can't I? :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 03:38:53 PM
Anyone else get the email from Roadrunner?

Could the header be a glimpse of the artwork/fonts on the artwork?

(https://i.imgur.com/MPcAV.png)



Oooooooooh, that's intriguing!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 08, 2011, 03:55:35 PM
it looks like the 8V cover...wel a part of it..

the font they used does it make seem like a book though.
the book that's called DT. where in this chapter we will discuss the departure of MP and how we survived and moved on.

sit down children and listen to our gospel...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 08, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
I think "Breaking All Illusions" would have been a cooler title for the album, and have ADToE as the song title. But oh well, still very excited  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 08, 2011, 04:00:40 PM
i want to hear the song with shamans and stuff.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on June 08, 2011, 04:02:28 PM
Sorry if someone's already brought this up, I only read half of the 13 pages.

But Mangini said that it was track 6 with the ridiculous drumming, no? That'd be Outcry.

 :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 08, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
Sorry if someone's already brought this up, I only read half of the 13 pages.

But Mangini said that it was track 6 with the ridiculous drumming, no? That'd be Outcry.

 :metal
Though there's always the possibility that the track order changed between then and now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 08, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Anyone posting information about album leaks, including offering leaked material or asking for leaked material, will be banned.  No exceptions.  Depending on the seriousness of the offense, you will either be banned permanently, or at the very least, until release date. 

James, you've been around at least two album release cycles.  There is no excuse for you not knowing that what you posted is against the rules.  Last warning on that subject.

For SC, I wasn't around, or at least wasn't registered on the new site at the time. For BC&SL, I didn't have internet for a while surrounding it, so I was unsure.

I promise no more talk about it, though. :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 08, 2011, 04:21:21 PM
Sorry if someone's already brought this up, I only read half of the 13 pages.

But Mangini said that it was track 6 with the ridiculous drumming, no? That'd be Outcry.

 :metal


link pls
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 04:23:57 PM
Sorry if someone's already brought this up, I only read half of the 13 pages.

But Mangini said that it was track 6 with the ridiculous drumming, no? That'd be Outcry.

 :metal


link pls

It's in the new drummer and new album info sticky thread.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.msg872880#msg872880  "Mangini: The one where I put the most amount of psychotic, two-things-at-the-same-time type of drumming would be track six [still unnamed as of press time]."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 08, 2011, 04:25:17 PM
Sorry if someone's already brought this up, I only read half of the 13 pages.

But Mangini said that it was track 6 with the ridiculous drumming, no? That'd be Outcry.

 :metal


link pls

It's in the new drummer and new album info sticky thread.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.msg872880#msg872880  "Mangini: The one where I put the most amount of psychotic, two-things-at-the-same-time type of drumming would be track six [still unnamed as of press time]."


thank you, jaffa.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 04:26:45 PM
Welcome.

In other news, https://dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#pressrelease.  dreamtheater.net finally has something new, but as far as I can tell, it's exactly the same article as was posted from a spanish website in the 'a rumor' thread yesterday.

Correction.  It was posted in the a rumor thread, but it was posted from Roadrunner, not from a spanish website. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 08, 2011, 04:30:00 PM
Outcry is either going to be an Elements of Persuasion  style metal single, or a longer epic type track...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
In other news, https://dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#pressrelease.  dreamtheater.net finally has something new, but as far as I can tell, it's exactly the same article as was posted from a spanish website in the 'a rumor' thread yesterday.

You will generally NOT find information on .net as quickly as you will find it elsewhere.  That's not a knock on the band, but their webmaster simply doesn't get the info out as promptly as you would expect.  That's why I appreciate fans posting stuff here as soon as it is released so that we can make sure the information is out to as many people as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
In other news, https://dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#pressrelease.  dreamtheater.net finally has something new, but as far as I can tell, it's exactly the same article as was posted from a spanish website in the 'a rumor' thread yesterday.

You will generally NOT find information on .net as quickly as you will find it elsewhere.  That's not a knock on the band, but their webmaster simply doesn't get the info out as promptly as you would expect.  That's why I appreciate fans posting stuff here as soon as it is released so that we can make sure the information is out to as many people as quickly as possible.

Oh, I understand that.  :)  I'm just wondering if this is the thing we're supposed to be keeping our eyes on DT.net this morning for. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Apricot on June 08, 2011, 04:44:43 PM
(https://imageflock.com/img/1307573067.png)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
I'm willing to bet the album artwork will be out by the end of the week.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 08, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
The cover art will have a bird in it, i'm sure of it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 08, 2011, 04:46:19 PM
I'm willing to bet the album artwork will be out by the end of the week.
Likewise.

(P.S. Ridiculously drunk, take with a pinch of salt.)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 08, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
(https://imageflock.com/img/1307573067.png)

That's quite a first post you make there. Welcome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 08, 2011, 04:55:18 PM
I'm willing to bet the album artwork will be out by the end of the week.

Considering there's more info coming out tomorrow, I think there's a 50/50 chance it's the artwork.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SPNKr on June 08, 2011, 05:05:33 PM
The cover art will have a bird in it, i'm sure of it.

I'm sure the cover art will have a Rhinoceros in it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on June 08, 2011, 05:10:28 PM
This album is going to suck...

... the life out of me!

Once I listen to it, it'll suck all the life right out of me, it'll be that good.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JosephAOI on June 08, 2011, 05:14:32 PM
The cover art will have a bird in it, i'm sure of it.
I'm thinking along these lines. It looks like it could be an image from a sky point of view looking down or across something. I'm expecting birds and maybe an ocean, forest, etc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jmbeat on June 08, 2011, 05:16:22 PM
I'm willing to bet the album artwork will be out by the end of the week.

Considering there's more info coming out tomorrow, I think there's a 50/50 chance it's the artwork.
I think the new info is the release date considering the tracklisting was released on the seventh and the the release date was today
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 05:26:44 PM
The cover art will have a bird in it, i'm sure of it.

I'm sure the cover art will have a Rhinoceros in it.

Or better yet:

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_RhinoBird.jpg)

(Rhino-Bird shoop is not my work)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 08, 2011, 05:28:21 PM
It's...beautiful.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 08, 2011, 05:28:34 PM
Awesome. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2011, 05:31:01 PM
You definitely don't want to be standing under the tree that thing's perched in.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 05:36:05 PM
You definitely don't want to be standing under the tree that thing's perched in.

Well it has no feet so I'm thinkin' it lands kinda like how Mario does in Super Mario World.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 05:43:08 PM
The cover art will have a bird in it, i'm sure of it.

I'm sure the cover art will have a Rhinoceros in it.

Or better yet:

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_RhinoBird.jpg)

(Rhino-Bird shoop is not my work)

If this was the official album art, I wouldn't even be mad.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 05:44:29 PM
...

Zook, I love you.

I promise this is the last time.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 08, 2011, 05:50:13 PM
The cover art will have a bird in it, i'm sure of it.

I'm sure the cover art will have a Rhinoceros in it.

Or better yet:

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_RhinoBird.jpg)

(Rhino-Bird shoop is not my work)

If this was the official album art, I wouldn't even be mad.
Me neither actually. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: splent on June 08, 2011, 05:56:31 PM
You know how bad it is when I am first hearing about this like 24 hours after it was announced.

Bad meaning I need to post here more.  Tomorrow is my last day of school and I should be on here more often.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 06:27:45 PM
I was the first one to post in this thread. That makes me the king of DTF.org.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 08, 2011, 06:35:43 PM
That makes you the one who posts too much :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 06:41:50 PM
That makes you the one who posts too much :lol

Quote from: Aniland's Profile
Posts:  937 (1.258 per day)

Quote from: Nic35's Profile
Posts:  1508 (1.591 per day)

You post more.   :laugh:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wolfking on June 08, 2011, 06:42:42 PM
I was the first one to post in this thread. That makes me the king of DTF.org.

Dude, what the hell are you smoking?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: predator13 on June 08, 2011, 06:47:52 PM
I think the new album is going to be 4:57-5:08 of Lie, on repeat for 80 minutes.  And the artwork will be Louie Anderson on a Jackhammer with oldschool headphones on.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wolfking on June 08, 2011, 06:50:55 PM
I think the new album is going to be 4:57-5:08 of Lie, on repeat for 80 minutes.  And the artwork will be Louie Anderson on a Jackhammer with oldschool headphones on.

wut?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Obfuscation on June 08, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
I think the new album is going to be 4:57-5:08 of Lie, on repeat for 80 minutes.  And the artwork will be Louie Anderson on a Jackhammer with oldschool headphones on.
Ummmmmmmmm, can you explain why you believe this???
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ronnibran on June 08, 2011, 07:01:03 PM
I'm thinking the album cover will have trees, possibly a forest.  And maybe it's a concept album about the life and realization of sasquatch.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 08, 2011, 07:34:06 PM
Sorry if someone's already brought this up, I only read half of the 13 pages.

But Mangini said that it was track 6 with the ridiculous drumming, no? That'd be Outcry.

 :metal

The order they recorded them in has NOTHING to do with the way they are finally sequenced on the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 08, 2011, 07:46:57 PM
And maybe it's a concept album about the life and realization of sasquatch.

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_harry_DTOE.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chaotic_ripper on June 08, 2011, 09:07:18 PM
And maybe it's a concept album about the life and realization of sasquatch.

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_harry_DTOE.jpg)

Fucking Classic!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 08, 2011, 09:22:58 PM
...

Imagine a quote pyramid consisting entirely of me quoting myself saying I love Zook. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ferd Burple on June 08, 2011, 09:33:10 PM
Hi everyone. First post. I'm a total DT noob.

I'm wondering...do you think "This is the life" is a Living Colour cover? It's a great song, and I could see DT doing something really beautiful with it. If you want to hear it, "This is the life" is on the "Time's Up" CD. Or, you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6okNaPSRdlI
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Adami on June 08, 2011, 09:35:55 PM
Hi everyone. First post. I'm a total DT noob.

I'm wondering...do you think "This is the life" is a Living Colour cover? It's a great song, and I could see DT doing something really beautiful with it. If you're want to hear it, "This is the life" is on the "Time's Up" CD.

No.

But welcome to the board. :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ferd Burple on June 08, 2011, 09:42:07 PM
Thanks Adami.  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on June 08, 2011, 09:56:12 PM
Just to toot my own horn, was looking through the "make up your own eleventh album" thread, and check it out...

Just IMO, of course. And, as a gesture of goodwill, here is my awful attempt for you to - quite rightly - rip the living shite out of.

DREAM THEATER - The Truth
1. The Speed of Light
2. Lock and Key
3. One of the Family
4. Under the Surface
5. Spiralling
6. Surgical Gloves
7. The Sandstorm
Soooooo close!

Do you think that they trolled the forums and took some of the album titles from here?  it's entirely possible lol


um.


what?

look in a dictionary, words existed before the internet bro
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ubit on June 08, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
Totally not digging the album title, and props to the creator of the brilliant fake artwork involving the Lemony Snicket parody.  That's EXACTLY what I thought of when I heard the title, hence why I can't enjoy this news; Jim Carrey keeps invading my mind and it is awful. 

I think that the track list is completely and utterly different from their norm, which as others have alluded to, may be a cool thing (and signify their change in direction post-Portnoy era).  I kind of like their formula though, I hope it doesn't change drastically.  My favorite bands are all either changing too much or disbanding lately... crossing my fingers for a DT albums that makes me secure in their future.   :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 08, 2011, 10:46:17 PM
Hi everyone. First post. I'm a total DT noob.

I'm wondering...do you think "This is the life" is a Living Colour cover? It's a great song, and I could see DT doing something really beautiful with it. If you want to hear it, "This is the life" is on the "Time's Up" CD. Or, you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6okNaPSRdlI

Do you really think DT would put a cover on the standard version of their album?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ferd Burple on June 08, 2011, 11:04:47 PM
Hi everyone. First post. I'm a total DT noob.

I'm wondering...do you think "This is the life" is a Living Colour cover? It's a great song, and I could see DT doing something really beautiful with it. If you want to hear it, "This is the life" is on the "Time's Up" CD. Or, you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6okNaPSRdlI

Do you really think DT would put a cover on the standard version of their album?

I don't have any idea.  ::)  As my original post clearly states, I'm a DT noob.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on June 08, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
Hi everyone. First post. I'm a total DT noob.

I'm wondering...do you think "This is the life" is a Living Colour cover? It's a great song, and I could see DT doing something really beautiful with it. If you want to hear it, "This is the life" is on the "Time's Up" CD. Or, you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6okNaPSRdlI

Do you really think DT would put a cover on the standard version of their album?

I don't have any idea. As my original post clearly states, I'm a DT noob.

Welcome to DTF!  :metal It's not DT's style to put a cover tune on a standard studio album, only original material. Interesting you thought of that song though. So the song title has already been done. Oh well. Again, Welcome! Hope you have fun here.  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ferd Burple on June 08, 2011, 11:16:49 PM
 :metal Thanks!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 11:23:52 PM
Hello Ferd!!! Your nick looks like Deep Purple, but sounds different ;)
Some news from yesterday? We only got e-mail with some maybe part of the artwork... shit, more more  :metal :metal :yarr :xbones
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ubit on June 08, 2011, 11:42:55 PM
More midnight news would be pretty cool about right now.  I would like some artwork, some track times, and some insight into the feel of the album, maybe in relation to past albums. 

But alas, this will likely not happen.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2011, 11:46:05 PM
Welcome Ubit!!
I see that this thread, and the news about new album brings DTF a lot of new members ;) Anyway, I had  a dream today about THE NEWS ! ;) So, I was dreaming about seeing on DT.net news about the length of the tracks, and it was 2CD my dear Ladies & Gentlemen ;) I don't remember the length of any of the songs,...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ubit on June 09, 2011, 12:10:41 AM
I swear TO GOD, I signed up like 2 days before the news broke.  I'm in pre-DTLP11 breaking news.

It never occurred to me until you made that statement though, that maybe I am the reason this news broke.  It happened the same time I was accepted by the DT moderation team. 
You're welcome everyone.

 ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheSilentHam on June 09, 2011, 12:22:18 AM
I was thinking the same thing, as far as NP goes.  A few of the song titles made me think of RUSH.

Some correlations with Rush songs, either wordplay or potential song themes.  I realize a couple of these are a total fail...but I had to do it.
1. On the Backs of Angels
"Workin' Them Angels"

2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
"Double Agent"??? (This is the weakest correlation)

3. Lost Not Forgotten
"Losing It", "Making Memories", "Afterimage"
 
4. This is the Life
"You Bet Your Life"
 
5. The Shaman’s Trance
"Tai Shan", ("I think I'm going bald" - weak joke)

6. Outcry
"Far Cry"

7. Far From Heaven
"Heresy"

8. Breaking All Illusions
"Open Secrets", "Presto"

9. Beneath The Surface
"Beneath, Between & Behind"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 09, 2011, 01:12:58 AM
Some of these are really close.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MS394 on June 09, 2011, 01:17:42 AM
The band Tiles has a song called Beneath the Surface (awesome song BTW  :metal ).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 09, 2011, 01:30:55 AM
Looking at the banner with the album name that has been posted somewhere on the last two pages, I wouldn't mind an album cover with lighter and brighter colours at all. Hopefully this information will be released soon...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on June 09, 2011, 02:31:13 AM
(https://s4.postimage.org/1vrggkcys/Untitled_10.jpg) (https://postimage.org/image/1vrggkcys/)

 :P

Edit: Don't know how to post the actual size. noob
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 09, 2011, 02:32:51 AM
I've actually come to really like the new album title. I can see how it is being interpreted as a bit cheezy in the light of the events the band has been in the last year, but on it's own it seems really bad ass. surely i'm not the only one?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 09, 2011, 02:38:42 AM
I've actually come to really like the new album title. I can see how it is being interpreted as a bit cheezy in the light of the events the band has been in the last year, but on it's own it seems really bad ass. surely i'm not the only one?
I think a cheesy title would be along the lines of "Our Tragic Loss" or something like that - which they'd never do, but you get the idea. A Dramatic Turn of Events is pretty cool - a little cheeky, acknowledging the unignorable situation with a little whimsy. "Christ, that was dramatic!"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on June 09, 2011, 03:58:29 AM
Any news on the new info JP mentioned that would be found on DT.net this morning?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 09, 2011, 04:19:57 AM
Any news on the new info JP mentioned that would be found on DT.net this morning?

Nope, as far as I know, the most we got was an email from them with yesterday's info and what seems to be the top part of the album cover (my sig)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 09, 2011, 04:21:33 AM
Yep but there should be something coming this morning surely.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 09, 2011, 04:22:57 AM
The time zones confuse me  :\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 09, 2011, 04:27:25 AM
Well this morning I mean America mornings.  It's nearly 12pm for me, so something should be out in the next 4 to 5 hours I think  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 09, 2011, 04:32:18 AM
I get it now lol, I woke up yesterday to see the news of the tracklist so I was thinking that the new news was going to arrive the same time the next day  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DP_Gumby on June 09, 2011, 05:45:36 AM
Is it just me or does A Dramatic Turn of Events have similar "flow" like Pink Floyd's A Momentary Lapse of Reason?  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 09, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
ADTOE does roll off the tongue nicely.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2011, 05:51:23 AM
Is it just me or does A Dramatic Turn of Events have similar "flow" like Pink Floyd's A Momentary Lapse of Reason?  :rollin

It does remind me of the lack of updates we were experiencing in the last couple of months, up until the MM announcement.

A Dramatic Lapse of Events
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DP_Gumby on June 09, 2011, 05:52:48 AM
Is it just me or does A Dramatic Turn of Events have similar "flow" like Pink Floyd's A Momentary Lapse of Reason?  :rollin

It does remind me of the lack of updates we were experiencing in the last couple of months, up until the MM announcement.

A Dramatic Lapse of Events

Hmm, maybe that's what they should have called the new album instead..  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 09, 2011, 06:34:18 AM
Don't know if it's been mentioned and I'm not wading through 15 pages to find out.  The album title is so ridiculously appropriate for the goings on in the last year.  MP leaving was a dramatic turn of events.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 09, 2011, 06:45:20 AM
...

Imagine a quote pyramid consisting entirely of me quoting myself saying I love Zook. 

Now, imagine you're standing on that pyramid in these sorta Sun God robes, while millions of naked women are screaming and throwing tiny pickles at you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Slain on June 09, 2011, 06:53:16 AM
...

Imagine a quote pyramid consisting entirely of me quoting myself saying I love Zook. 

Now, imagine you're standing on that pyramid in these sorta Sun God robes, while millions of naked women are screaming and throwing tiny pickles at you.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 09, 2011, 07:04:47 AM
9 songs from an inspired John Petrucci - I think ADTOE is going to be a guitar fan's wet dream. Who's with me?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 09, 2011, 07:11:54 AM
Any news on the new info JP mentioned that would be found on DT.net this morning?

Nope, as far as I know, the most we got was an email from them with yesterday's info and what seems to be the top part of the album cover (my sig)

Well there wasn't anything in that email that said that was the top part of the album art, looks more like a quickly thrown together graphic for promotional purposes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on June 09, 2011, 07:15:21 AM
9 songs from an inspired John Petrucci - I think ADTOE is going to be a guitar fan's wet dream. Who's with me?

9 songs from an equally reinvigorated Jordan Rudess.
9 songs containing input (both musical and LYRICAL) from John Myung, an until now silenced genius.
9 songs with the powerhouse Mike Mangini, who has finally found his musical home, on drums.

But most importantly 9 songs from a band which has something to prove for the first time in almost 15 years. Bring it on.

Also, first post. S'up fell DT fans?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2011, 07:18:06 AM
https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/24994810150213854082908.jpg/ (https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/24994810150213854082908.jpg/)

Pretty nice fan-made album cover.

I don't seem to be able to post images so url it is.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 09, 2011, 07:20:06 AM
how come no one is really talking about the release date? cant wait for september 13th!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2011, 07:20:48 AM
I guess there isn't much more to say than just that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 09, 2011, 07:21:13 AM
let me help you with that:

(https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/24994810150213854082908.jpg)

Edit: Nope, ImageSucks doesn't let me embed that pic.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 09, 2011, 07:23:56 AM
It always used to work on other forums though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 09, 2011, 07:31:10 AM
Any news on the new info JP mentioned that would be found on DT.net this morning?

Nope, as far as I know, the most we got was an email from them with yesterday's info and what seems to be the top part of the album cover (my sig)

Well there wasn't anything in that email that said that was the top part of the album art, looks more like a quickly thrown together graphic for promotional purposes.

Maybe, but the font is probably the one they're going to use for the artwork. But there's still a possibility it could be the top of the cover since most DT album covers have the large Dream Theater font at the top with the album name directly beneath it, just like what they posted yesterday
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 09, 2011, 07:35:46 AM
9 songs from an inspired John Petrucci - I think ADTOE is going to be a guitar fan's wet dream. Who's with me?

9 songs from an equally reinvigorated Jordan Rudess.
9 songs containing input (both musical and LYRICAL) from John Myung, an until now silenced genius.
9 songs with the powerhouse Mike Mangini, who has finally found his musical home, on drums.

But most importantly 9 songs from a band which has something to prove for the first time in almost 15 years. Bring it on.

Also, first post. S'up fell DT fans?

No LaBrie? Leave DTF.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 09, 2011, 07:37:57 AM
9 songs from an inspired John Petrucci - I think ADTOE is going to be a guitar fan's wet dream. Who's with me?

9 songs from an equally reinvigorated Jordan Rudess.
9 songs containing input (both musical and LYRICAL) from John Myung, an until now silenced genius.
9 songs with the powerhouse Mike Mangini, who has finally found his musical home, on drums.

But most importantly 9 songs from a band which has something to prove for the first time in almost 15 years. Bring it on.

Also, first post. S'up fell DT fans?

No LaBrie? Leave DTF.

That's what I wanted to add : GTFO, you noob!!! ;D Just kidding of course! :metal

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 09, 2011, 07:52:43 AM
The two above posts: This!!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 09, 2011, 07:57:15 AM
how come no one is really talking about the release date? cant wait for september 13th!

Because I don't want summer to be over, it just got here in the Northeast  :(.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 09, 2011, 08:00:59 AM
how come no one is really talking about the release date? cant wait for september 13th!

Because I don't want summer to be over, it just got here in the Northeast  :(.

haha im in NE as well, but it seems that everyone was waiting for more stuff to be released and i think 9/13 is what JP was referring to when he said check out DT.net for more news in the morning
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 09, 2011, 08:01:09 AM
...

Imagine a quote pyramid consisting entirely of me quoting myself saying I love Zook.  

Now, imagine you're standing on that pyramid in these sorta Sun God robes, while millions of naked women are screaming and throwing tiny pickles at you.

You are my hero.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 09, 2011, 08:24:17 AM
...

Imagine a quote pyramid consisting entirely of me quoting myself saying I love Zook.  

Now, imagine you're standing on that pyramid in these sorta Sun God robes, while millions of naked women are screaming and throwing tiny pickles at you.

You are my hero.


  :blush
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: adameastment on June 09, 2011, 08:36:28 AM
I love the album title. I just hope the album artwork isn't cheesy. And if it is, I hope it's cheesy in an awesome way.

"On the Backs of Angels" is a beautiful title and I see what James probably meant by "oozing with emotion"
"Build Me Up, Break Me Down" just sounds exciting as all hell of a song, and I bet it will be anthemic.
"Lost Not Forgotten" will almost definitely be the single based on the title and track placement; sounds really tense and epic
"This is the Life" sounds really optimistic and light; I think this song will be a cult classic, perhaps the next Myung?
"The Shaman's Trance" is a silly name and I hate it; I hope it is the instrumental because I don't want LaBrie singing about that subject.
"Outcry" sounds like it will be tremendous and intense.
"Far From Heaven"... ambiguous. Could be giant, could be a ballad, will probably have LaBrie sounding incredibly.
"Breaking All Illusions"...and
"Beneath the Surface"...these last two songs, both give me the feeling that they'll be so big, maybe the best penultimate and ending tracks Dream Theater has ever penned. I feel like one of them (or both?) is Myung. Just...

Ahhhhhhh

Maybe it'll be a triple disk set, and the last two are so big that they'll need their own disks? :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bone_Daddy on June 09, 2011, 08:49:09 AM
how come no one is really talking about the release date? cant wait for september 13th!

Because I don't want summer to be over, it just got here in the Northeast  :(.
:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 09, 2011, 08:49:38 AM
i hope for a JP sweep extravaganza on this album, his sweeps always give make me go  :metal
i hope for a small solo spot for MM, so he has got like a 10 second break where it's just MM showing off
i hope for a great JR sound, not over the top, not 3245 effects into one ,just your normal keyboard (piano) sound where the man shows his chops
i hope for a bass gutiar you can hear all the way true on this album, and ofrouse some riff in the vain of Metropolis pt1 where people still go  :metal about after 20 years
i hope for JLB's most aggresive, most beautiful, most intens vocals ever. and even a F#....

so DT. bring it on!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2011, 09:01:53 AM
Well, here's an intriguing series of events.

*post*

Immediately afterward:

Now, imagine you're standing on that pyramid in these sorta Sun God robes, while millions of naked women are screaming and throwing tiny pickles at you.

how come no one is really talking about the release date? cant wait for september 13th!

9 songs containing input (both musical and LYRICAL) from John Myung, an until now silenced genius.

Nuggets abound.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 09, 2011, 09:03:49 AM
Mind = blown
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2011, 09:14:53 AM
Yes  but can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board with your penis bosk1?



BTW,  Can't wait to see the album cover and who wrote the lyrics!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2011, 09:24:49 AM
Not right now.

But I understand you asking, King.  A girl's gotta have her standards, right?  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 09, 2011, 09:26:05 AM
haha im in NE as well, but it seems that everyone was waiting for more stuff to be released and i think 9/13 is what JP was referring to when he said check out DT.net for more news in the morning

I really don't see why he would refer to a date 3 months from now to check out for news.

I really think everyone mis-interpreted the original statement. They released the album name/titles and said 'more news' tomorrow. That 'more news' was the Roadrunner article with release date info and some quotes from the band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2011, 09:29:03 AM
Not right now.

But I understand you asking, King.  A girl's gotta have her standards, right?  :D
:lol

I need to watch that.  I haven't seen it in a few years.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 09, 2011, 09:30:43 AM
I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates, who said "I drank what?"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 09, 2011, 09:43:23 AM
I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates, who said "I drank what?"

Monica Lewinsky?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 09, 2011, 09:44:29 AM
Not right now.

But I understand you asking, King.  A girl's gotta have her standards, right?  :D
:lol

I need to watch that.  I haven't seen it in a few years.

I can only hope that after our continuous prodding, SeaWolf finally got around to watching it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: M-boogie on June 09, 2011, 09:56:17 AM
New JP Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZCNcQONF8&feature=feedu
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 09, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
Build me up, Break Me Down is going to be about JPs gym experiences.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 09, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
I think there could be a religious/spiritual theme on the new album knowing that JP is mostly the main lyricist and we know he like to talk about Religious things... some of the names of the songs could develop some religious ideas/beliefs..

    On the Backs of Angels  
    Build Me Up, Break Me Down
    Lost Not Forgotten
    This is the Life
    The Shaman's Trance
    Outcry
    Far From Heaven

This two i can't get a reference.

    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 09, 2011, 10:10:33 AM
@jdprsaga:

I'm going to be honest: I really think this is going to be a concept album. The song titles seem to suggest that the concept will be something spiritual. The obvious ones are On the Backs of Angels and Far from Heaven, but we also have references to life (This is the Life), death (Lost Not Forgotten), spiritualism (The Shaman's Trance), and perhaps even hell (Beneath the Surface). I fully expect people to disagree, but I'm just raising this as a possibility.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 09, 2011, 10:10:42 AM
    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface


No idea about Breaking All Illusions, but to my mind, Beneath the Surface is obviously about muscles.







JPs muscles.







 OMG ITS A CONCEPT
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 09, 2011, 10:12:07 AM
I think there could be a religious/spiritual theme on the new album knowing that JP is mostly the main lyricist and we know he like to talk about Religious things... some of the names of the songs could develop some religious ideas/beliefs..

    On the Backs of Angels  
    Build Me Up, Break Me Down
    Lost Not Forgotten
    This is the Life
    The Shaman's Trance
    Outcry
    Far From Heaven

This two i can't get a reference.

    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface


Breaking All Illusions could be about a crisis of faith, theoretically.  Y'know, deciding that God is an illusion?  Or wondering if all religion is an illusion, but eventually being reassured?  I dunno.  It's theoretically possible, though.

Beneath The Surface... uh... I got nothing.  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on June 09, 2011, 10:12:59 AM
OMG ITS A CONCEPT


A concept about his transformation into a bear.  You have to admit, slowly turning into a bear with superhuman guitar prowess would classify as a dramatic turn of events for pretty much anyone.
Title: Re: "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" Official Thread
Post by: VioletS16 on June 09, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
:| :| :| :| :| :|









 :omg:
IDK why, but I burst out laughing.

I hate the title name >:(
But the songs sound good!  :laugh:
Also, I think This Is The Life is the name of a Hannah Montana song.  :|
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 09, 2011, 10:20:45 AM
OMG ITS A CONCEPT


A concept about his transformation into a bear.  You have to admit, slowly turning into a bear with superhuman guitar prowess would classify as a dramatic turn of events for pretty much anyone.

Breaking All Illusions might about the final realization that he is indeed becoming a bear. It might be DT's "The Downward Spiral" :O
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rafael Guerra on June 09, 2011, 10:28:44 AM
New JP Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZCNcQONF8&feature=feedu
"Commonly referred to as the biggest band nobody knows about..." Now that's...hm...a quotation i haven't heard before.
Anyways, glad to have some feedback from a member after the announcement of the album title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 09, 2011, 10:33:56 AM
@jdprsaga:

I'm going to be honest: I really think this is going to be a concept album. The song titles seem to suggest that the concept will be something spiritual. The obvious ones are On the Backs of Angels and Far from Heaven, but we also have references to life (This is the Life), death (Lost Not Forgotten), spiritualism (The Shaman's Trance), and perhaps even hell (Beneath the Surface). I fully expect people to disagree, but I'm just raising this as a possibility.

Cool man .. good to know i'm not the first one to think about this.. i didn't read your original post as we are already on page 16... i'm not sold about the beneath the surface reference for hell tho.

Breaking All Illusions could be about a crisis of faith, theoretically.  Y'know, deciding that God is an illusion?  Or wondering if all religion is an illusion, but eventually being reassured?  I dunno.  It's theoretically possible, though.

I think this idea can work.. we will see.

Another view could be, james and myung have a couple of song on the album.. so maybe their lyrics are not completely related to JP's theme, so maybe this two songs are from james/myung and therefor be left alone of the others and maybe that is why the are the last two songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 09, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
New JP Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GZCNcQONF8&feature=feedu

Artisan is the most useless thing in the world.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 09, 2011, 10:42:07 AM
Artisan is the most useless thing in the world.

At least they seem to have dropped I Walk Beside You in favour of Wither  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 09, 2011, 10:46:10 AM
Wither was in the last interview too.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on June 09, 2011, 11:02:09 AM
SO.... Did anybody at the Aniland's fake Album/Tracklist thread actually got at least one title right?

Yep. On the second page, somebody got "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten". Pretty fucking incredible if you ask me.

I just double-checked for the heck of it, and don't see either one?

I made it up.
Ah, so that's what you mean by "incredible". :-)

I think the new album is going to be 4:57-5:08 of Lie, on repeat for 80 minutes.  And the artwork will be Louie Anderson on a Jackhammer with oldschool headphones on.
I listened to the loop for like two minutes and I thought I'd explode. But listening to Constant Motion, I get where you're coming from. Nothing against CM though.


Well there wasn't anything in that email that said that was the top part of the album art, looks more like a quickly thrown together graphic for promotional purposes.
Yes. People, please. This was definitely put together in 10 minutes in MS Paint because they didn't get the album art on time.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 09, 2011, 11:08:51 AM
how come no one is really talking about the release date? cant wait for september 13th!

What's to talk about the release date?  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 09, 2011, 11:17:38 AM
Yeah, I too have no idea what you could possibly want out of discussion of that. Okay, so it comes in three months. Now what?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 09, 2011, 12:47:12 PM
Weren't we supposed to hear something else today?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 09, 2011, 12:51:29 PM
says who, jew



jewdas? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 09, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
Weren't we supposed to hear something else today?

what i was trying to say before, was that i think the release date was the new info
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 09, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
I think they just made an idiot mistake by saying to check back for more info.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 09, 2011, 02:56:17 PM
Title is rather uninspired.

Dream Theater albums are staggered like Star Trek movies, so far as it seems that every other one is good.  So if I do my math correctly . . .  TOT (meh), Octavarium (awesome), SC (meh), RC&SL (terrific), and so forth.

BTW, great Mangini article in May issue of Drumhead magazine.  Talks about the writing /recording process for the new album.  Very LOOOONG interview.  Might be old news here, but still worth sharing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2011, 02:59:59 PM
BTW, great Mangini article in May issue of Drumhead magazine.  Talks about the writing /recording process for the new album.  Very LOOOONG interview.  Might be old news here, but still worth sharing.

Is the interview posted online, or do you have to subscribe to the mag to read it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 09, 2011, 03:05:01 PM
I'm thinking of creating a new thread for fan-made artwork so as to keep this thread for real updates. What do people think? Am happy to move the relevant posts from this thread into that one.

UPDATE: All the recent posts with fanmade art have been moved here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23734.0 :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 09, 2011, 03:07:59 PM
Do it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: IronEarthTheater on June 09, 2011, 03:09:50 PM
Good idea for a dedicated thread.  I for one love seeing the fan art and what people come up with... 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 09, 2011, 03:14:59 PM
Done! https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23734.0
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 09, 2011, 07:18:59 PM
Anyone notice that the release date is on September 12th on DT.net?

https://dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#pressrelease

Hmm I thought it was the 13th...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkEternalNight on June 09, 2011, 07:40:38 PM
Probably in the UK since it's a Monday.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on June 09, 2011, 07:52:33 PM
I'm indifferent to the album title. After seeing it alongside the other album titles in the past day, it really doesn't seem that out of place or bad, to be honest. It's just different.

The titles seems awesome, though, and I'm really looking forward to Lost Not Forgotten + Outcry. Seems like they are going to be full of emotion.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 09, 2011, 08:02:39 PM
I like how no one has called us all out for only associating the bottom two tracks with one another since they both start with B.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 09, 2011, 09:05:39 PM
Probably in the UK since it's a Monday.

I live in the US and every album that has come out in the last year or so, has come out on Mondays (or been available Mondays). It used to be Tuesdays, but music and movies have been coming out on Mondays
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 09, 2011, 10:12:17 PM
um.

what does that have to do with dt's new release?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 09, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
Looking through different forums, especially MP's (no offense intended at all), it just gets annoying reading people saying how they hope the new album doesn't mention MP at all or that the whole situation isn't mentioned.

Why should this be a topic to be avoided? Why can't DT bring it up? It's a way to cope with it by releasing it through an artistic way. Why can't DT express it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 09, 2011, 11:53:26 PM
I hope one of the new songs has the word 'microphone', but LaBrie leaves a giant pause between the first syllable and the rest of the word.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 5 on June 09, 2011, 11:59:38 PM
I hope one of the new songs has the word 'microphone', but LaBrie leaves a giant pause between the first syllable and the rest of the word.

They should just cover Master Exploder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhDhOPSPyk8&feature=fvst
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 10, 2011, 12:32:37 AM
I hope one of the new songs has the word 'microphone', but LaBrie leaves a giant pause between the first syllable and the rest of the word.

"Oh God, I hate this MIKE!              ...rophone".
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 10, 2011, 12:46:30 AM
Looking through different forums, especially MP's (no offense intended at all), it just gets annoying reading people saying how they hope the new album doesn't mention MP at all or that the whole situation isn't mentioned.

Why should this be a topic to be avoided? Why can't DT bring it up? It's a way to cope with it by releasing it through an artistic way. Why can't DT express it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 10, 2011, 12:56:05 AM
there should be a choir going "mike portnoy" for 10 minutes straight on DT11 to get it over with. all the haters will have something talk about, all the lovers do to......sigh :facepalm:

it's obvious what the title is about.
the tracks however is a different story, but sitll might be connected.
i think the album WILL, or even better SHOULD have a song about the break up, as this is the most dramatic change in DT history. so it would be very strange if DT would not mention it at all. This is 33% of the orginal DT not being in DT anymore, hell yeah they should wirte about it.

I dont mind which track it is (title wise)...but what I am curious about is....what will be the atmosphere/style of the track, will it be very metalish, or will it be very smooth, clean and lovely...and if they acutally use his name or an alias......and than the biggest question to me about this is, who will have written the lyrics?!?!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 10, 2011, 01:14:48 AM
I hope one of the new songs has the word 'microphone', but LaBrie leaves a giant pause between the first syllable and the rest of the word.

"Oh God, I hate this MIKE!              ...rophone".
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: climberboy on June 10, 2011, 02:40:02 AM
I dont mind which track it is (title wise)...but what I am curious about is....what will be the atmosphere/style of the track, will it be very metalish, or will it be very smooth, clean and lovely...and if they acutally use his name or an alias......and than the biggest question to me about this is, who will have written the lyrics?!?!

This is a great question and I personally would think that they would all have some kind of lyrical involvement in that particular song. And i hope its smooth, clean and lovely song as i think it would best convey the "heartbreaking" and "disappointing" feelings that Petrucci has mentioned in interviews.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 10, 2011, 04:47:56 AM
I hope one of the new songs has the word 'microphone', but LaBrie leaves a giant pause between the first syllable and the rest of the word.

"Oh God, I hate this MIKE!              ...rophone".

Well since James last solo album shouldn't be MIKE!           ...rooooooooooophone". :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 10, 2011, 04:51:01 AM
MIKE - ROROROROROROPHONE
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 10, 2011, 04:54:55 AM
MIKE - ROROROROROROPHONE

I like that better. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 10, 2011, 07:26:42 AM
Looking through different forums, especially MP's (no offense intended at all), it just gets annoying reading people saying how they hope the new album doesn't mention MP at all or that the whole situation isn't mentioned.

Why should this be a topic to be avoided? Why can't DT bring it up? It's a way to cope with it by releasing it through an artistic way. Why can't DT express it?

Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford leaving their respective bands was MUCH bigger than this, and neither band wrote a song about it. That kind of melodrama isn't necessary, simple as that. However, I will say that at least it gives DT an emotional topic to write about rather than Freemasons.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Xanthul on June 10, 2011, 07:28:18 AM
Or italian nobility.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on June 10, 2011, 07:28:45 AM
Or Metallica.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 10, 2011, 07:43:03 AM
Looking through different forums, especially MP's (no offense intended at all), it just gets annoying reading people saying how they hope the new album doesn't mention MP at all or that the whole situation isn't mentioned.

Why should this be a topic to be avoided? Why can't DT bring it up? It's a way to cope with it by releasing it through an artistic way. Why can't DT express it?

Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford leaving their respective bands was MUCH bigger than this, and neither band wrote a song about it. That kind of melodrama isn't necessary, simple as that. However, I will say that at least it gives DT an emotional topic to write about rather than Freemasons.

But that's wholly irrelevant. These guys are sentimental, down-to-earth dudes. And you know, a band like Iron Maiden or Judas Priest just isn't going to experience much songwriting change or style from the loss of those individuals (yes yes, Virtual XI and The X Factor are atrocious I know). This is Mike Portnoy, the leading force behind the band's everything. Everything has changed and I wouldn't be surprised if "Lost Not Forgotten" is entirely about him, and if "Outcry" is about the fan's reaction.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vlasto on June 10, 2011, 08:07:59 AM
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/378/cover_333561062011_r.jpg)

official?
see...https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33499
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 10, 2011, 08:08:35 AM
No, it's fan-made.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 08:17:47 AM
No, it's fan-made.

By someone from here, too.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 10, 2011, 08:19:20 AM
Yeah, ucoskun made it.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=23734.msg913377#msg913377
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 10, 2011, 08:21:26 AM
Then what's it doing on progarchives? O.o
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jsem on June 10, 2011, 08:22:20 AM
Lol. Epic win for that fanmade art!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 10, 2011, 08:22:44 AM
proglolchives
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 10, 2011, 08:27:01 AM
DT.net has changed the release date from the 13th to the 12th  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 10, 2011, 08:35:19 AM
i have a feeling that fanmade art is gonna stick with it a while, especially if it gets attached to the album in the illegal downloading world.



cant wait to see the real cover
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 10, 2011, 08:41:55 AM
I love that fan art work :) I would not mind if that becomes the actual cover!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 08:43:31 AM
DT.net has changed the release date from the 13th to the 12th  :)

Probably a Europe (Monday release dates) vs. North America (Tuesday release dates) thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: adameastment on June 10, 2011, 08:54:25 AM

Bruce Dickinson and Rob Halford leaving their respective bands was MUCH bigger than this, and neither band wrote a song about it. That kind of melodrama isn't necessary, simple as that. However, I will say that at least it gives DT an emotional topic to write about rather than Freemasons.
I would also like to add, that Bruce Dickinson wasn't a founding member of Iron Maiden. He was probably the best thing to happen to the band, but he wasn't one of the pivotal parts of the band. When they released The X Factor, it was a very dark album because of all the crap that the band had been putting up with. So, they didn't necessarily make a song about it, but they definitely made an album to show the bleakness of the situation.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 10, 2011, 09:32:58 AM
Came across this in the what we know so far thread.  :P
from james forum

   Vocals/ Studio etc. etc.
« on: May 02, 2011, 09:44:47 am » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi All,

Sorry I haven't been around, especially since the recent turn of events. Yes, MM is our drummer and we are psyched to begin on this new musical adventure.
Those of you who thought I am in Canada recording my vocals are correct. I am having a blast recording with Rich. We have been doing this recording thing off and on with one another for the last 24 years.
I am heading back into Rich's studio today to begin vocals on the 5th song. Can't wait for everyone to hear the fruits of our labor.

Have a great day and see you around on-line,doing fine.

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwk.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 10, 2011, 09:34:45 AM
DT.net has changed the release date from the 13th to the 12th  :)

That's funny

Also, some one at prog archives was itching so HARD to add the new DT album to the site, without official artwork released yet. So either he or someone else added it, and it's already known by some members and mods there that it's fake https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78894 (https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78894)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 10, 2011, 09:41:14 AM
Came across this in the what we know so far thread.  :P
from james forum

   Vocals/ Studio etc. etc.
« on: May 02, 2011, 09:44:47 am » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi All,

Sorry I haven't been around, especially since the recent turn of events. Yes, MM is our drummer and we are psyched to begin on this new musical adventure.
Those of you who thought I am in Canada recording my vocals are correct. I am having a blast recording with Rich. We have been doing this recording thing off and on with one another for the last 24 years.
I am heading back into Rich's studio today to begin vocals on the 5th song. Can't wait for everyone to hear the fruits of our labor.

Have a great day and see you around on-line,doing fine.

Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwk.


 :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 10, 2011, 09:44:21 AM
DT.net has changed the release date from the 13th to the 12th  :)

Probably a Europe (Monday release dates) vs. North America (Tuesday release dates) thing.

No, albums just don't come out on Tuesdays anymore
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 09:57:53 AM
DT.net has changed the release date from the 13th to the 12th  :)

Probably a Europe (Monday release dates) vs. North America (Tuesday release dates) thing.

No, albums just don't come out on Tuesdays anymore

They do here. o_O
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 10, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
DT.net has changed the release date from the 13th to the 12th  :)

Probably a Europe (Monday release dates) vs. North America (Tuesday release dates) thing.

No, albums just don't come out on Tuesdays anymore

Where do you live?

They do here. o_O
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 10, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
Cananadia.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 10, 2011, 11:32:14 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=214488901924242&set=at.205166886189777.50271.100000894025965.100000419500501&type=1&ref=nf

Should we tell 'em it's a fake (read the comments at the bottom)? :p
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: moffatt on June 10, 2011, 11:35:21 AM
Hmmm as James said above he is doing Vocals on 5th song which on tracklisting is The Shaman's Trance and that is the one everyone is presuming to be an instrumental, so can we maybe rule out that song to be an instrumenal?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 10, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Hmmm as James said above he is doing Vocals on 5th song which on tracklisting is The Shaman's Trance and that is the one everyone is presuming to be an instrumental, so can we maybe rule out that song to be an instrumenal?

The 5th song he was tracking doesn't necessarily mean is the 5th song on the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
Album title is fine to me.  It doesn't sound any worse than Falling into Infinity or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, both of which were slight WTFs at first glance.  Sometimes, the band sounds like they are trying to be overly clever with their album titles, but this one works for me. :tup :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 10, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Hmmm as James said above he is doing Vocals on 5th song which on tracklisting is The Shaman's Trance and that is the one everyone is presuming to be an instrumental, so can we maybe rule out that song to be an instrumenal?

The 5th song he was tracking doesn't necessarily mean is the 5th song on the album.

This is the 4th or 5th time in this thread that someone has had to point this out. Not trying to be mean, just find it amusing how many people don't read through the threads.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 10, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
Eh, it's 18 pages.  I don't blame people for skimming.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: moffatt on June 10, 2011, 12:08:32 PM
Hmmm as James said above he is doing Vocals on 5th song which on tracklisting is The Shaman's Trance and that is the one everyone is presuming to be an instrumental, so can we maybe rule out that song to be an instrumenal?

The 5th song he was tracking doesn't necessarily mean is the 5th song on the album.

This is the 4th or 5th time in this thread that someone has had to point this out. Not trying to be mean, just find it amusing how many people don't read through the threads.
Yer dude I don't really post here often I was just thought of something I that now appears that over had already noticed, no need to raise any alarms :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rafael Guerra on June 10, 2011, 12:09:04 PM
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/john-petrucci-dream-theater-interview-2011/
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 10, 2011, 12:12:37 PM
Very cool interview. Not that much new info, but some cool stuff!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 10, 2011, 12:14:37 PM
"So, early in your life, what music did you listen to?"

Seriously? You're going to ask John Petrucci that trite question that nobody wants to hear him answer anymore?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 10, 2011, 12:23:40 PM
Album title is fine to me.  It doesn't sound any worse than Falling into Infinity or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, both of which were slight WTFs at first glance.  Sometimes, the band sounds like they are trying to be overly clever with their album titles, but this one works for me. :tup :tup

Really? Personally, I've always loved that title (as well as the cover art). Six Degrees though, yeah, is definitely one that people have no problem with now because it has been around for a while, and is attached to such a great album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 10, 2011, 12:36:36 PM
"So, early in your life, what music did you listen to?"

Seriously? You're going to ask John Petrucci that trite question that nobody wants to hear him answer anymore?

Check what website did the interview, pal. Maybe you don't want to hear him answer those questions anymore, but lots of people who browse and read that site may be interested. Not everyone's a hardcore DT fan like you, mate.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Fiery Winds on June 10, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
FTA:

Quote
What plans do you have in mind for your next round of touring?
We have thought about the tour. The first tour we’re doing is in Europe, a festival tour with some headlining dates, as well. We’re playing some interesting places like Russia, Kiev, Rome, everything like that. Initially, it’s us getting out there. We’ll play a song from the new album, but it will be focused more on the festival scene, and people’s introductions to Mike Mangini. When we tour in the fall in support of the record, we’ll initiate some of the new concepts, new imagery, new lighting and video presentations, and, of course, the new songs. It’ll be something different at that point.

Interesting, won't this be the first time hearing a live version of a DT song prior to its official album release?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 10, 2011, 01:29:21 PM
FTA:

Quote
What plans do you have in mind for your next round of touring?
We have thought about the tour. The first tour we’re doing is in Europe, a festival tour with some headlining dates, as well. We’re playing some interesting places like Russia, Kiev, Rome, everything like that. Initially, it’s us getting out there. We’ll play a song from the new album, but it will be focused more on the festival scene, and people’s introductions to Mike Mangini. When we tour in the fall in support of the record, we’ll initiate some of the new concepts, new imagery, new lighting and video presentations, and, of course, the new songs. It’ll be something different at that point.

Interesting, won't this be the first time hearing a live version of a DT song prior to its official album release?

No. They played "A Rite of Passage" live before the release of Black Clouds and Silver Linings.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 10, 2011, 01:30:25 PM
Pretty sure they played quite a few FII songs live, in some form or another, well before the album came out.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: adameastment on June 10, 2011, 01:30:55 PM
FTA:

Quote
What plans do you have in mind for your next round of touring?
We have thought about the tour. The first tour we’re doing is in Europe, a festival tour with some headlining dates, as well. We’re playing some interesting places like Russia, Kiev, Rome, everything like that. Initially, it’s us getting out there. We’ll play a song from the new album, but it will be focused more on the festival scene, and people’s introductions to Mike Mangini. When we tour in the fall in support of the record, we’ll initiate some of the new concepts, new imagery, new lighting and video presentations, and, of course, the new songs. It’ll be something different at that point.

Interesting, won't this be the first time hearing a live version of a DT song prior to its official album release?

Lots of bands do it, it'll be great to see! :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jsem on June 10, 2011, 01:33:10 PM
I just thought about the album for a second. And how it's three months til release.

 :sad:

I want it NAO lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: iamtheeviltwin on June 10, 2011, 01:46:26 PM
BTW - The fake cover that was put up here is getting spread around via twitter as the actual cover.  Find it amusing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 10, 2011, 01:47:56 PM
Six Degrees though, yeah, is definitely one that people have no problem with now because it has been around for a while, and is attached to such a great album.

???  What?  How is that not easily one of the top album titles they have ever done?  Or do you just not get the reference?

Pretty sure they played quite a few FII songs live, in some form or another, well before the album came out.

Yes, they did.  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 10, 2011, 02:05:18 PM
Pretty sure they played quite a few FII songs live, in some form or another, well before the album came out.

IIRC, New Millennium existed as some derivative form of Caught in a Web before writing for FII began.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JustJen on June 10, 2011, 02:12:25 PM
BTW - The fake cover that was put up here is getting spread around via twitter as the actual cover.  Find it amusing.

HOW DARE YOU COME IN HERE AND DEMAND THAT I FIND SOMETHING AMUSING?




:p
Just kidding.

It's prolly in part because prog archives put it up there as the real cover early this morning. Quite amusing indeed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Xanthul on June 10, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
Six Degrees though, yeah, is definitely one that people have no problem with now because it has been around for a while, and is attached to such a great album.

???  What?  How is that not easily one of the top album titles they have ever done?  Or do you just not get the reference?

Yeah, Six Degrees is one of my favorite album names by any band.

I think ADTOE is the worst album name by DT, I really dont like it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 10, 2011, 02:46:02 PM
Six Degrees though, yeah, is definitely one that people have no problem with now because it has been around for a while, and is attached to such a great album.

???  What?  How is that not easily one of the top album titles they have ever done?  Or do you just not get the reference?

Oh, I get the reference, and it's not a terrible name, but it is quite the mouthful for a title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 10, 2011, 05:22:51 PM
DT have played a lot of material before release, including stuff from Images (+B-side), Awake (b-side/snippet), Falling Into Infinity (many), Scenes, Six Degrees and A Rite of Passage.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 10, 2011, 08:46:33 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they release the first single right before their first summer concert.

Also, the main dislike of this new album title is because we know the context behind calling like that, so the general reaction is going to be: are you kidding me? More or less when ANTR RORORORORO's scream was first heard, the majority here pointed out that we (I'll include myself) didn't like that type of harsh vocals (NO ONE DARED TO!!!) because it doesn't suit DT at all. So the reaction, again, was: Are you kidding me? We told you we don't like that style in DT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 10, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
And lol @ the cover being on progarchives. :lol They made a mistake in taking a noobs word for it that it was official. Oh well, shit happens.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 10, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
Yeah...pretty cool though. Love the color choices
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Slain on June 10, 2011, 09:23:22 PM
The album title has grown on me, I have to say. I don't really mind it anymore.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 10, 2011, 11:41:20 PM
From official DT Facebook:

"Here we are in the studio today with Andy Wallace"
(https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/24838510150205108827181.jpg)

If the photo does not show up, here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180?sk=wall&filter=2

I'm posting from not my computer, it is cheating me all the time...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 10, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
From official DT Facebook:

"Here we are in the studio today with Andy Wallace"
(https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/24838510150205108827181.jpg)

If the photo does not show up, here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180?sk=wall&filter=2

I'm posting form not my computer, it is cheating my all the time...

Yes, but JP has been in the studio with Wallace for some days already.

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 10, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
From official DT Facebook:

"Here we are in the studio today with Andy Wallace"
(https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/24838510150205108827181.jpg)

If the photo does not show up, here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180?sk=wall&filter=2

I'm posting form not my computer, it is cheating my all the time...

Yes, but JP has been in the studio with Wallace for some days already.

B.Lee
I know that ;) Just want to share this photo with You guys ;)  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 10, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
Interesting to see how different people's reactions have been. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the title, but I don't think it's bad either. And, a couple things which keep me hopeful that it'll be better than the last two records: 1.) Myung is writing lyrics again 2.) there will be no new music related to the 12SS (not that the 12SS is bad, but it was definitely starting to feel stretched out)  3.) by extension, no tough-guy Mike Portnoy vocals and finally 4.) 9 songs, to me, means much more manageable song lengths and hopefully less "fluff" within individual songs.  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 11, 2011, 01:31:51 AM
"So, early in your life, what music did you listen to?"

Seriously? You're going to ask John Petrucci that trite question that nobody wants to hear him answer anymore?

Check what website did the interview, pal. Maybe you don't want to hear him answer those questions anymore, but lots of people who browse and read that site may be interested. Not everyone's a hardcore DT fan like you, mate.

That's still silly. This guy's been around for decades.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 11, 2011, 01:58:01 AM
Bosk, Drumhead magazine is on stands now.  In the article, Mangini confirms that the upcoming European festival/tour dates will NOT feature any new material (no surprise there).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 11, 2011, 03:19:32 AM
Petrucci said in a couple of interviews now that they will be playing one song. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on June 11, 2011, 03:29:32 AM
Maybe they'll play the single in the second half of their european festival tour.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 11, 2011, 05:46:55 AM
2.) there will be no new music related to the 12SS (not that the 12SS is bad, but it was definitely starting to feel stretched out)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK-_6KNRTuo&NR=1
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 11, 2011, 06:08:14 AM
From official DT Facebook:

"Here we are in the studio today with Andy Wallace"
(https://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/24838510150205108827181.jpg)

If the photo does not show up, here is the link:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Dream-Theater/7677942180?sk=wall&filter=2

I'm posting form not my computer, it is cheating my all the time...

Yes, but JP has been in the studio with Wallace for some days already.

B.Lee
I know that ;) Just want to share this photo with You guys ;)  :tup

Yeas, sorry, I got it once I saw the pic. :tup

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 11, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
Interesting to see how different people's reactions have been. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the title, but I don't think it's bad either. And, a couple things which keep me hopeful that it'll be better than the last two records: 1.) Myung is writing lyrics again 2.) there will be no new music related to the 12SS (not that the 12SS is bad, but it was definitely starting to feel stretched out)  3.) by extension, no tough-guy Mike Portnoy vocals and finally 4.) 9 songs, to me, means much more manageable song lengths and hopefully less "fluff" within individual songs.  

Are we positive Myung is writing lyrics?

I know he really collaborated with JP this time musically but I never heard that he is writing lyrics again.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 11, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
It was mentioned in an interview way back before we even knew about Mangini officially, I think.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 11, 2011, 10:19:28 AM
Interesting to see how different people's reactions have been. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the title, but I don't think it's bad either. And, a couple things which keep me hopeful that it'll be better than the last two records: 1.) Myung is writing lyrics again 2.) there will be no new music related to the 12SS (not that the 12SS is bad, but it was definitely starting to feel stretched out)  3.) by extension, no tough-guy Mike Portnoy vocals and finally 4.) 9 songs, to me, means much more manageable song lengths and hopefully less "fluff" within individual songs. 

Are we positive Myung is writing lyrics?

I know he really collaborated with JP this time musically but I never heard that he is writing lyrics again.

Mebert (a poster here) talked with JR after a show and JR told him that Myung wrote lyrics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 11, 2011, 11:13:39 AM
 :-X :-*  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 11, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
Interesting to see how different people's reactions have been. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the title, but I don't think it's bad either. And, a couple things which keep me hopeful that it'll be better than the last two records: 1.) Myung is writing lyrics again 2.) there will be no new music related to the 12SS (not that the 12SS is bad, but it was definitely starting to feel stretched out)  3.) by extension, no tough-guy Mike Portnoy vocals and finally 4.) 9 songs, to me, means much more manageable song lengths and hopefully less "fluff" within individual songs.  
That's exactly my feelings.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on June 11, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
"So, early in your life, what music did you listen to?"

Seriously? You're going to ask John Petrucci that trite question that nobody wants to hear him answer anymore?

Check what website did the interview, pal. Maybe you don't want to hear him answer those questions anymore, but lots of people who browse and read that site may be interested. Not everyone's a hardcore DT fan like you, mate.

That's still silly. This guy's been around for decades.

No. Some people haven't heard about him yet. Hard to believe?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream_Theater01 on June 11, 2011, 07:07:32 PM
When will we get the album art?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 11, 2011, 08:02:18 PM
When will we get the album art?

Next Caterday.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 12, 2011, 01:10:20 AM
The more I think about it, the more I find the title suits really well the name of the band : Dream Theater / A Dramatic turn of events. The expression is visibly figurative language, which could mean that the title is not such a direct allusion to the breakup. What if SDT 11 was built as a play, the titles being the various scenes? What do you guys think? It maybe far-fetched, I grant you that. :D

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metrovarium on June 12, 2011, 01:19:11 AM
The more I think about it, the more I find the title suits really well the name of the band : Dream Theater / A Dramatic turn of events. The expression is visibly figurative language, which could mean that the title is not such a direct allusion to the breakup. What if SDT 11 was built as a play, the titles being the various scenes? What do you guys think? It maybe far-fetched, I grant you that. :D

B.Lee
There's just one problem: they've already built an album as a play before.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 12, 2011, 03:24:26 AM
The more I think about it, the more I find the title suits really well the name of the band : Dream Theater / A Dramatic turn of events. The expression is visibly figurative language, which could mean that the title is not such a direct allusion to the breakup. What if SDT 11 was built as a play, the titles being the various scenes? What do you guys think? It maybe far-fetched, I grant you that. :D

B.Lee
There's just one problem: they've already built an album as a play before.

For me, it was more like a movie. When i think about a "play", I think mise en abyme...Well, but you're right anyway.

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metro on June 12, 2011, 05:35:00 AM
So according to a post on JLB's Facebook, Lost Not Forgotten and Shaman's Trance have both leaked to Youtube. Not sure if I should post a link or not...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 12, 2011, 05:39:18 AM
I couldn't resist...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2011, 05:39:43 AM
So according to a post on JLB's Facebook, Lost Not Forgotten and Shaman's Trance have both leaked to Youtube. Not sure if I should post a link or not...
I'm sure.  It's against the rules, so don't do it.

EDIT:  The ones that I've found are actually from JLB's solo albums and mistitled.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 05:40:45 AM
No, people are posting JLB solo songs and JP solo songs as new songs on Youtube.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on June 12, 2011, 05:42:20 AM
So according to a post on JLB's Facebook, Lost Not Forgotten and Shaman's Trance have both leaked to Youtube. Not sure if I should post a link or not...

Is not real.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 12, 2011, 05:44:17 AM
Are they real?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 05:44:24 AM
Anyone posting information about album leaks, including offering leaked material or asking for leaked material, will be banned.  No exceptions.  Depending on the seriousness of the offense, you will either be banned permanently, or at the very least, until release date.  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 12, 2011, 05:44:34 AM
No, people are posting JLB solo songs and JP solo songs as new songs on Youtube.
Yeah, this. Kind of dissapointing.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 05:51:23 AM
Actually, I'm am unsure if even talking about fake album leaks is against the rules. If it is, can you clarify, O Moderator Team?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on June 12, 2011, 05:52:33 AM
That idiot *snip* is posting JP and JLB solo album tunes as ADTOE songs on all DT-related Facebook pages, and its crazy how many people are falling for it too
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2011, 05:54:42 AM
Are they real?
No.

And discussing where any potential leaks may be found is 100% against the rules.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 12, 2011, 05:55:28 AM
I kind of expected that, there was not a signle odd time signature in either of them.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kotowboy on June 12, 2011, 05:55:37 AM
I think we should all "leak" songs from Suspended Animation or MullMuzzler.. That makes the likelihood of people believing a real leak less likely - in a boy who cried wolf kinda way ...

" Oh it must be new DT - it has Mangini on it ! "

" yeah but he played on all of Labries solo albums . . "

" oh . "

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 12, 2011, 06:03:13 AM
What about the "leaked" ADToE trailer?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2011, 06:05:50 AM
I think we should all "leak" songs from Suspended Animation or MullMuzzler.. That makes the likelihood of people believing a real leak less likely - in a boy who cried wolf kinda way ...

" Oh it must be new DT - it has Mangini on it ! "

" yeah but he played on all of Labries solo albums . . "

" oh . "

:neverusethis:
No, don't do that.  Portnoy himself did that before Octavarium was released.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 12, 2011, 06:36:46 AM
What about the "leaked" ADToE trailer?
I think it's just a mashup of mullmuzzzler(?) material.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on June 12, 2011, 07:17:30 AM
Mullmuzzler, Frameshift and just about any other project he's been a part of (some probably aren't from things related to him).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RuRoRul on June 12, 2011, 08:35:45 AM
The Youtube videos need approval for comments so he's probably only letting up the comments that believe it, making people think everyone else thinks it's legitimate...  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 12, 2011, 08:42:05 AM
The Youtube videos need approval for comments so he's probably only letting up the comments that believe it, making people think everyone else thinks it's legitimate...  :rollin
Successful troll was successful.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 12, 2011, 08:48:57 AM
That is actually pretty clever.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 12, 2011, 08:52:23 AM
The Youtube videos need approval for comments so he's probably only letting up the comments that believe it, making people think everyone else thinks it's legitimate...  :rollin
Successful troll was successful.

It's quite amusing to read the comments he/she has approved, though. It's amazing how gullible and credulous some people are x)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on June 12, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
The Youtube videos need approval for comments so he's probably only letting up the comments that believe it, making people think everyone else thinks it's legitimate...  :rollin
Successful troll was successful.

Stupid cunt i've tried to write something but he didnt aprove it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 12, 2011, 10:18:25 AM
Are they real?
No.

And discussing where any potential leaks may be found is 100% against the rules.

What about, NOT discussing anything about where to find them, but simply acknowledging their existence?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 12, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
Pretty sure that's still not allowed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 12, 2011, 11:55:47 AM
No, not allowed. Bosk has already posted this, but even discussion about the existence of a leak, or discussion of the material before it is released, will be met with a ban. Same as for the last couple of albums.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 12, 2011, 12:02:59 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 12, 2011, 12:16:25 PM
Interesting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 12, 2011, 01:02:48 PM
i want to beat up each and every 'fan' that doesnt recognize 'animate inanimate' on youtube, thinking its the shamans trance
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 12, 2011, 01:05:45 PM
I will never understand why people post 'leaks' that are really just some other song. Maybe it's funny to someone who has the mental capacity of a five year old, I don't know.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 12, 2011, 01:46:12 PM
No, not allowed. Bosk has already posted this, but even discussion about the existence of a leak, or discussion of the material before it is released, will be met with a ban. Same as for the last couple of albums.

Thank you sir  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 12, 2011, 02:28:23 PM
No, not allowed. Bosk has already posted this, but even discussion about the existence of a leak, or discussion of the material before it is released, will be met with a ban. Same as for the last couple of albums.
Oh, and please understand.  It will be a ban, no warning, no nothing.

So don't do it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 12, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
I will never understand why people post 'leaks' that are really just some other song. Maybe it's funny to someone who has the mental capacity of a five year old, I don't know.
Portnoy himself did that before Octavarium was released.
Back then I fell into that trap.

I see that there are new victims of history.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 12, 2011, 04:33:21 PM
I will never understand why people post 'leaks' that are really just some other song. Maybe it's funny to someone who has the mental capacity of a five year old, I don't know.

I'm willing to believe it's five year olds who do it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on June 12, 2011, 05:23:01 PM
I will never understand why people post 'leaks' that are really just some other song. Maybe it's funny to someone who has the mental capacity of a five year old, I don't know.

I'm willing to believe it's five year olds who do it.

I laughed my ass off when I saw the comments on the "leaked" videos... does that make me a five year old??  :-\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 05:27:00 PM
No, not allowed. Bosk has already posted this, but even discussion about the existence of a leak, or discussion of the material before it is released, will be met with a ban. Same as for the last couple of albums.
Oh, and please understand.  It will be a ban, no warning, no nothing.

So don't do it.

Got it. I won't discuss anything about any sort of leak, real or fake. Thanks for all the clarification, dad. :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 05:35:58 PM
Interesting.

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_2439.png)




I'm sorry, I just had to.  It was too perfect.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 12, 2011, 05:39:00 PM
the shaman's trance will be the instrumental.


hold me to it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 12, 2011, 05:54:17 PM
I love how the last section in the history section on the band's Wikipedia page is now called "The Departure of Mike Portnoy and A Dramatic Turn of Events".  :lol

I was the one who made that edit, :lol I'm a wiki-freak.

I'm not judging the album by the titles. The title right now seems iffy to me, but it will grow on me as September 13th approaches, and after hearing the album it nulls all judging anyway. Every DT album to me has been great, besides FII, but they never had that much label influence before or after, and we all know they won't let it happen again.

And to those who were disappointed by JLB's comment about "most fun recording since Awake", for SC. He was commenting on the fun he had recording, not his opinion on the music, and even if he was, you're forgetting that the band themselves have their own opinions on their own music and it (get ready for a mindfuck guys) may not match yours! Didn't think that one through did you! With all due respect of course.

That's my $.02CAD.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 12, 2011, 06:01:37 PM
the shaman's trance will be the instrumental.


hold me to it.

Will do. You and the 20 other people who've said the same thing here, that is.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 12, 2011, 06:11:47 PM
the shaman's trance will be the instrumental.


hold me to it.

Will do. You and the 20 other people who've said the same thing here, that is.


but the other 20 people weren't the big nasty.


that's the distinction.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
The Shaman's Trance WON'T be instrumental.

Hold me to THAT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ricky on June 12, 2011, 06:34:11 PM
actually, i will hold you to that.

big nasty sig'd it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metrovarium on June 12, 2011, 06:46:09 PM
Considering that there hasn't been an instrumental for the past three albums, it's not guaranteed that this album has one, either.

My bet, though, is that The Shaman's Trance will be a controversial DT song, with many people loving it but many others hating it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 12, 2011, 06:51:07 PM
It'll be one of those crazy songs with Petrucci tearing down trees in 7/8 and Myung farting in 3/4.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2011, 06:51:29 PM
The only thing that gets weird with the no discussing "leaked" material rule is people tend to push the limits. I remember when Black Clouds leaked people would find little ways to have nuggets from the Black Clouds lyrics in their posts. People would say things like, "when I finally get this album I'm gonna put it right in my car and go for a ride across the open countryside." Then, people's "speculations" started to get strangly spot-on. "I have a really, really good feeling that The Best of Times is going to have a big Rush feel to it."  :P

If I remember correctly, though, their were instances where both groups of people where told to knock it off.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on June 12, 2011, 08:15:33 PM
The Shaman's Trance WON'T be instrumental.

Hold me to THAT.

I concur. While it would be an amazing name for a psychedelic instrumental it is more likely a Petrucci penned song along the lines of Forsaken or The Ministry of Lost Souls.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 12, 2011, 08:23:08 PM
If its as good as TMOLS, I'll be happy!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 12, 2011, 09:13:52 PM
The Shaman's Trance WON'T be instrumental.

Hold me to THAT.

I concur. While it would be an amazing name for a psychedelic instrumental it is more likely a Petrucci penned song along the lines of Forsaken or The Ministry of Lost Souls.

Hmm, never thought about it like that...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 09:15:23 PM
The only thing that gets weird with the no discussing "leaked" material rule is people tend to push the limits. I remember when Black Clouds leaked people would find little ways to have nuggets from the Black Clouds lyrics in their posts. People would say things like, "when I finally get this album I'm gonna put it right in my car and go for a ride across the open countryside." Then, people's "speculations" started to get strangly spot-on. "I have a really, really good feeling that The Best of Times is going to have a big Rush feel to it."  :P

If I remember correctly, though, their were instances where both groups of people where told to knock it off.

:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2011, 10:11:13 PM
You're laughing because you KNOW you were the big offender there :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 12, 2011, 10:12:21 PM
I come around you with a dance
A night to see the shaman's trance
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 12, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
I just want some friggin' audio already...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 12, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
I just want some friggin' audio already...

They haven't actually finished mixing though, right?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 12, 2011, 11:29:12 PM
I come around you with a dance
A night to see the shaman's trance

I grab the charming shaman's lance
He unexpectedly smiles
in his pants
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 12, 2011, 11:30:31 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on June 13, 2011, 01:21:54 AM
 :lol @ Jamesmang and PC.

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 13, 2011, 01:42:37 AM
 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 13, 2011, 03:23:51 AM
I live in Amazonia
This is the Shaman's trance
How come I reach this state?
Well, I just eat red ants!

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nihil-Morari on June 13, 2011, 03:43:20 AM

Has anyone got plans
To do the shamans dance
Cause now is just your chance:
Do the shamans trance

(big rave in 7/8) ||:  :metal          :metal          :metal          :metal :metal          :metal          :metal          :metal   : ||
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 13, 2011, 05:45:46 AM
Swing your hips
Flip your hair
Lick your lips
It's only fair

Yeah I went there
It's time you dance
That's how you enter
The shaman's trance

*Morphwiz breakout*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kotowboy on June 13, 2011, 06:41:54 AM
I dunno why, but I have a feeling that track 9 will be the big album closer..... :hat
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 13, 2011, 06:55:23 AM
Swing your hips
Flip your hair
Lick your lips
It's only fair

Yeah I went there
It's time you dance
That's how you enter
The shaman's trance

*Morphwiz breakout*

/////thread
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 13, 2011, 07:19:41 AM
I just want some friggin' audio already...

They haven't actually finished mixing though, right?

I think they're supposed to be finished mixing some time this week, so yes and no.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 13, 2011, 07:23:13 AM
the shaman's trance will be the instrumental.


hold me to it.

Will do. You and the 20 other people who've said the same thing here, that is.


but the other 20 people weren't the big nasty.


that's the distinction.

That's what I would say if I had to hold you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 13, 2011, 07:24:16 AM
I just want some friggin' audio already...

They haven't actually finished mixing though, right?

Exactly. And yet we still have clueless doofuses falling for "leaks".  ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 13, 2011, 07:26:37 AM
I like to rhyme,
I like my beats funky,
I'm spunky. I like my oatmeal lumpy.
I'm sick wit dis, straight gangsta mack
but sometimes I get ridiculous
I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice
hey yo fat girl, c'mere--are ya ticklish?
Yeah, I called ya fat.
Look at me, I'm skinny
It never stopped me from gettin' busy
I'm a freak
I like the girls with the boom
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
I'm crazy.
Allow me to amaze thee.
They say I'm ugly but it just don't faze me.
I'm still gettin' in the girls' pants
and I even got my own dance
{Chorus:}
The shaman's trance is your chance to do the trance
Do the shaman's trance, come on and do the shaman's trance
Do the shaman's trance, just watch me do the shaman's trance
Do ya know what I'm doin', doin' the shaman's trance
Do the shaman's trance, do the shaman's trance
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 13, 2011, 07:27:44 AM
I just want some friggin' audio already...

They haven't actually finished mixing though, right?

Exactly. And yet we still have retards falling for "leaks".  ::)

Maybe you should take that back.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 13, 2011, 07:36:22 AM
*puts on hat*


Move it up and move it down
Shake your body to the ground
Build me up and break me down
James LaBrie has come to town

Digging holes and screaming high
With a wizard and a silent guy
A fucking bear but he's real nice
And a guy that "OHHHHHHH's" every night

We back with that new album attack
Done with linings and clouds so black
We saying the past few months is whack
But I hope they don't try to talk too much smack

Keyboard solos and instrumental breaks
Like driving the speed of light with broken brakes

Guitar noodles and bass so low
Drum fills every 2 seconds to follow

Oh snap! Here comes the standard mid-song change
Gonna go dig some holes on the range








































































































*noodling*























*solos (about 7 or 8)

























































































And so we take this song to close
Leaving y'all on the backs of angels

This has been fun, but we gotta go
Need to lead the bear to the fishing hole

Next time I'll try to make more sense
In this coming dramatic turn of events

Don't be scared, don't wet ya pants
Something about the shaman's trance

WHOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG#

(dat's rite, i went thurr)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 13, 2011, 08:24:23 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 13, 2011, 09:13:21 AM
Oh my god.  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MajorMatt on June 13, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
Well done sir. :clap:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ScioPath on June 13, 2011, 09:23:16 AM
Win :clap:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mizzl on June 13, 2011, 09:54:07 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 13, 2011, 09:54:34 AM
"Something about the shaman's trance"

 :rollin


Very, very nice Jamesman.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: yesrushdt on June 13, 2011, 10:58:05 AM
LMAO Jamesman!  Priceless. ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 13, 2011, 11:10:31 AM
That reminds me of the totally awesome and fake Prophets of War lyrics. Anyone has them?  :D



EDIT: They were posted back in DTF.com
I'm sure some of you remember
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 13, 2011, 11:19:42 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on June 13, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
I am more excited after reading this review :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 13, 2011, 12:02:03 PM
I am more excited after reading this review :metal :metal

???
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Adami on June 13, 2011, 12:03:47 PM
I am more excited after reading this review :metal :metal

???

It got removed from this thread and made into its own after that reply.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 13, 2011, 12:38:46 PM
And it's more of an interview than a review.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 13, 2011, 12:47:40 PM
Yeah, the review thing made me go like whoa for a second!




But hey...it's better than nothing, right?




;-))))
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on June 13, 2011, 03:07:37 PM
This is what happens when English is not your first language and you are writing and eating at the same time :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 13, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
The only thing that gets weird with the no discussing "leaked" material rule is people tend to push the limits. I remember when Black Clouds leaked people would find little ways to have nuggets from the Black Clouds lyrics in their posts. People would say things like, "when I finally get this album I'm gonna put it right in my car and go for a ride across the open countryside." Then, people's "speculations" started to get strangly spot-on. "I have a really, really good feeling that The Best of Times is going to have a big Rush feel to it."  :P

If I remember correctly, though, their were instances where both groups of people where told to knock it off.
OR... "Sucking on his pipe!" underneath the avatar. The thing is you can't ban that person because under the logic of our ruling system here, not even the mods should make remarks about certain things being leaks because they supposedly don't know it's leaked material.

I'm flying on the baaacks of angels!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 13, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
That possibly may have been Jamesman's best post out of the 19,678 he has ever posted.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 14, 2011, 03:28:51 AM
That possibly may have been Jamesman's best post out of the 19,678 he has ever posted.

You have only a 45 post count and you have read all 19,768 Jamesman's posts? You, liar!! ;D ;D ;D

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 14, 2011, 06:06:21 AM
Well, if that is my best, I best stop posting here then. Mission accomplished
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: zerogravityfat on June 14, 2011, 07:17:25 AM
i'm pretty late to the album name game, but are they just trolling fans to make fun of it? it's begging for a meme.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 14, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
That possibly may have been Jamesman's best post out of the 19,678 he has ever posted.

You have only a 45 post count and you have read all 19,768 Jamesman's posts? You, liar!! ;D ;D ;D

B.Lee

Well I'm saying I just have a good feeling it's his best.  ;D

but....he should continue the journey and see what more marvelous posts he can create!  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 14, 2011, 10:09:13 AM
lol we'll see what happens in the next chapter of

A DRAMATIC TURN OF EVENTS
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2011, 10:13:29 AM
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE NAME OF THE DOCUMENTARY
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: zerogravityfat on June 14, 2011, 10:38:39 AM
Are they real?
No.

And discussing where any potential leaks may be found is 100% against the rules.

so i shouldn't tell anyone about  jamesman's pants?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ubit on June 14, 2011, 11:24:59 AM
Well, if that is my best, I best stop posting here then. Mission accomplished

If your mission was simply to have a post that was your best, you should've stopped after 1 post.

Guaranteed success.

Aim higher, Jamesman.   ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 14, 2011, 11:28:27 AM
so i shouldn't tell anyone about  jamesman's pants?

A Dramatic Turd of Events




Aim higher, Jamesman.   ;D

I save that for you mom.

Yeah, a your mom joke. Take that!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 14, 2011, 11:37:38 AM
When is MP releasing a Drumatic Turn of Events?


GAIS
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 14, 2011, 12:04:41 PM
When is MP releasing a Drumatic Turn of Events?


GAIS

September 14, 2011
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 14, 2011, 12:23:34 PM
When is MP releasing a Drumatic Turn of Events?


GAIS

September 14, 2011
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ubit on June 14, 2011, 12:46:30 PM
Aim higher, Jamesman.   ;D

I save that for you mom.

Yeah, a your mom joke. Take that!

Oh snap.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 14, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
Oh snap. Mathematical proof!

11 - Portnoy + Mangini = 11 - 1 + 1 = 11. Thus 11 = PortnoyMangini oh snap it's a collaboration.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 14, 2011, 03:58:21 PM
Unless MP and MM are somehow inverses of each other, 11 being a prime number makes you fail hard, buddy. :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mentalny on June 14, 2011, 04:14:07 PM
September? They must be kiddin' ! :'(
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 14, 2011, 05:21:52 PM
Unless MP and MM are somehow inverses of each other, 11 being a prime number makes you fail hard, buddy. :biggrin:

I meant them as the seperate digits of 1, making 11. Guess that logic doesn't work entirely...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheMadgician on June 14, 2011, 06:20:41 PM
I might not have been the top of my calc class, but I'm pretty sure you add values, not the digits themselves.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 14, 2011, 07:21:24 PM
I know that. I was not adding them. I put them together. Addition requires a + sign.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 14, 2011, 07:53:02 PM
Yeah, but you were multiplying them
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 14, 2011, 07:59:53 PM
Take your shitty math elsewhere.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 14, 2011, 08:07:29 PM
Haha yeah, side by side is multiplication. I avoided the rule. Should have been (Portnoy10)(Mangini). Better? It actually equals 11 now.

Moving on.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 14, 2011, 08:09:06 PM
Actually that would be 10...you would say (Portnoy10)+(Mangini) = 11

but men,
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 14, 2011, 08:27:57 PM
I have a good feeling about this album.....because

When Chris Collins left, they made their first DT album
When Charlie Dominici left, they made their most successful album, I&W
When Kevin Moore left, they made their EP, A Change of Seasons
When Derek Sherinian left, they made their first concept album
When Mike Portnoy left...


Correct me if I got anything wrong.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 14, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
I have a good feeling about this album.....because

When Chris Collins left, they made their first DT album
When Charlie Dominici left, they made their most successful album, I&W
When Kevin Moore left, they made their EP, A Change of Seasons
When Derek Sherinian left, they made their first concept album
When Mike Portnoy left...


Correct me if I got anything wrong.
You're right. The pattern definitely suggests that something awesome is going to happen when this album is released.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 14, 2011, 08:53:12 PM
Read this in mp forum:

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BTW, in an interview with Israeli online metal magazine, Metalist (yeah, original name indeed), the interviewer asked Petrucci (it's written in hebrew and I just translate, so maybe there are a few wrong words choise, but I think I kept the meaning the same):
"The name of the album immediately connects to last year's events - A Dramatic Turn of Events. is it possible to guess that the musical direction evolves in a dramatic way aswell, now that Mike Portnoy is not part of the band?"
And Petrucci answered:
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."
 
Hope I translted it well. : )

Interesting if true!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 14, 2011, 09:10:58 PM

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the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact

So, it's a concept album? :neverusethis:

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on June 14, 2011, 09:19:31 PM

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the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact

So, it's a concept album? :neverusethis:

-Marc.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KrESZzNhhJQ/TK48TEEAD8I/AAAAAAAAAGc/9nR1AYYLmD4/s1600/vader-nooooo.jpg)

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 14, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
Perfect application of perfect picture is perfect.

Anyways, I'm stoked for the concept album.  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 14, 2011, 09:54:13 PM
I've convinced myself that they wrote a concept album, and fooled most of us into thinking the title actually has something to do with Portnoy. Who knows, it could happen.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 14, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
Don't think its a concept album, but it could be an album with a recurring theme.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 14, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Or that. I doubt that they would throw together a crazy concept like the Octavarium number theme again, though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 14, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
It actually sounds like it's a deep and reflective album and the lyrics sounds like the may be rather good!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 14, 2011, 10:20:31 PM
It actually sounds like it's a deep and reflective album and the lyrics sounds like the may be rather good!
My exact thoughts.

I really hope we get a single before DT starts playing the summer European festivals!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 14, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
It actually sounds like it's a deep and reflective album and the lyrics sounds like the may be rather good!
My exact thoughts.

I really hope we get a single before DT starts playing the summer European festivals!

I can't wait, I wonder what the single would be....
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 14, 2011, 10:53:02 PM

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the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact

So, it's a concept album? :neverusethis:

-Marc.
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/ω\ 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 14, 2011, 11:41:37 PM
Dream Theater - A Glorious Turn of Dramatic Burdened Events
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dcrupi on June 14, 2011, 11:49:01 PM
I have a good feeling about this album.....because

When Chris Collins left, they made their first DT album
When Charlie Dominici left, they made their most successful album, I&W
When Kevin Moore left, they made their EP, A Change of Seasons
When Derek Sherinian left, they made their first concept album
When Mike Portnoy left...

Although at first I thought this was a lucky coincidence at best, on second thought, there might be something to this.

Every time someone left, Dream Theater had something to prove--they needed to prove that they were still relevant and capable of creating excellent music, even without some influential and charismatic personalities in the band.  Nothing different this time...if anything, they have more to prove than ever.  Following the pattern, it does look to be an amazing album. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 14, 2011, 11:53:55 PM
I think the concept is going to be similar to that of octavarium, BC&SL or 6DOIT (entire content of both discs); not as in 6DOIT (the "song") or SFAM. Either way, this album sounds promising. Bring it!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 14, 2011, 11:56:55 PM
I have a good feeling about this album.....because

When Chris Collins left, they made their first DT album
When Charlie Dominici left, they made their most successful album, I&W
When Kevin Moore left, they made their EP, A Change of Seasons
When Derek Sherinian left, they made their first concept album
When Mike Portnoy left...


Correct me if I got anything wrong.

When they made WDADU, they had already been demoing a lot of the material.
When they made IAW, they had also already been demoing a lot of the material.
When they made ACOS, the song had been around for 4 years already, it just got tweaked a bit with DS's additions.
When they made SFAM, they had the groundwork laid out from a 20-minute demo that got expanded into an 80 minute album.

So you see, it seems when someone left the band, they had already had something in mind for the next album.

The difference now is that with MP gone, they've started fresh, and I'm sure they haven't been demoing new material/riffs lately, unless they took ideas from the auditions and ran with them. I guess we'll find out in a few months. If so, the idea of using old ideas/demos/songs on the next album after a member departs will still continue!

Fresh start with not-so-fresh ideas? Seems to work so far...

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 15, 2011, 03:13:42 AM

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the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact

So, it's a concept album? :neverusethis:

-Marc.

Quick, someone make a thread predicting which song will have which concept before Aniland!!!!11
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 15, 2011, 04:43:58 AM
"The name of the album immediately connects to last year's events - A Dramatic Turn of Events. is it possible to guess that the musical direction evolves in a dramatic way aswell, now that Mike Portnoy is not part of the band?"
And Petrucci answered:
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."


From an Isreali metal site: Metalist
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 15, 2011, 04:58:35 AM
"The name of the album immediately connects to last year's events - A Dramatic Turn of Events. is it possible to guess that the musical direction evolves in a dramatic way aswell, now that Mike Portnoy is not part of the band?"
And Petrucci answered:
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."


From an Isreali metal site: Metalist

It's already been posted a few posts above yours. ::)

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 15, 2011, 05:00:26 AM
 :lol I need to start checking haha
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: antigoon on June 15, 2011, 06:12:41 AM
mmmm can't wait to get me some encyclopedia-style lyrics 'bout historical events up in here.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 15, 2011, 06:22:39 AM
mmmm can't wait to get me some encyclopedia-style lyrics 'bout historical events up in here.

Throw in some [citation needed] a la Wiki too ;)  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2011, 06:28:25 AM
mmmm can't wait to get me some encyclopedia-style lyrics 'bout historical events up in here.

Maybe I'm being caught up in the hype machine, but I'm willing to have some faith.  It's not like the song titles are "We killed him!," "End of Ghaddafi?," and "There Have Been a Lot of Natural Disasters This Decade."  If you look at song titles like TGD, ITNOG, SS, POW, and AROP, it's sorta obvious they're songs that are meant to be about something.  The titles on ADTOE seem to be more about imagery and emotion.  If nothing else, do you really think JM is going to drop the ball on his lyrical return?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on June 15, 2011, 08:02:32 AM
Well I guess Build Me Up, Break Me Down is about the Berlin Wall. And maybe Lost not Forgotten about JFK or the victims of 9/11.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 15, 2011, 09:41:14 AM
It's not like the song titles are "We killed him!," "End of Ghaddafi?," and "There Have Been a Lot of Natural Disasters This Decade."

 :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 15, 2011, 09:44:21 AM
If its towards the social side of things, a song will most definitely be about Japan (earthquake, tsunami, nuclear issues). JR posted quite a bit about it and also a song I believe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 15, 2011, 10:10:55 AM
If its towards the social side of things, a song will most definitely be about Japan (earthquake, tsunami, nuclear issues). JR posted quite a bit about it and also a song I believe.

Interesting thought...who knows, he may even contribute lyrics/backing vocals as he did sing in quite a few YouTube videos he posted.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: metropofreak on June 15, 2011, 10:23:01 AM
JLB said on twitter that they start rehearsing for the summer tour next week.

Does that mean the mixing is almost done???
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on June 15, 2011, 10:24:39 AM
If its towards the social side of things, a song will most definitely be about Japan (earthquake, tsunami, nuclear issues). JR posted quite a bit about it and also a song I believe.

Interesting thought...who knows, he may even contribute lyrics/backing vocals as he did sing in quite a few YouTube videos he posted.
Yes, please. Jordan, go for it!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 15, 2011, 10:57:04 AM
JLB said on twitter that they start rehearsing for the summer tour next week.

Does that mean the mixing is almost done???
That doesn't really mean anything, but you'd expect them to be done mixing before they start tour rehearsals.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2011, 11:05:09 AM
JLB said on twitter that they start rehearsing for the summer tour next week.

Does that mean the mixing is almost done???
That doesn't really mean anything, but you'd expect them to be done mixing before they start tour rehearsals.

Not necessarily.  They don't have anything to do with each other since the members of DT aren't the ones doing the mixing.  The tour dates are what they are, so the band has to start rehearsing regardless of the status of the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 15, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
According to JP in that hebrew interview mixing is in it's final stages.  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2011, 11:45:58 AM
According to JP in that hebrew interview mixing is in it's final stages.  :)

Where are you getting this information?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 15, 2011, 11:47:44 AM
That interview on metalist, that everone was talking about a minute ago.

o what's up, John?

I'm cool, thanks. I'm currently in New York, the last stages of mixing the new album. The mix makes us great Andy Wallace, which is really exciting. He is a consummate professional and does an amazing job so far. On a personal note, I can say I'm very happy to be at this point finally.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jimgolf on June 15, 2011, 11:55:58 AM
I've been following this thread for a little while, and it struck me that there may actually be no backing vocals(for those wondering about jordan) - or, if there is, that james is likely doing them. Considering that james wanted to take care of that on his own, it's very possible. Personally, i enjoyed the harmonies better on images when james did them himself.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 15, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
I've been following this thread for a little while, and it struck me that there may actually be no backing vocals(for those wondering about jordan) - or, if there is, that james is likely doing them. Considering that james wanted to take care of that on his own, it's very possible. Personally, i enjoyed the harmonies better on images when james did them himself.

JP usually contributes backing vocals, so there's most likely going to be some from him.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 15, 2011, 12:00:30 PM
Yeah James said he did some backing vox.  Dunno about JP or the other guys.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 15, 2011, 12:01:31 PM
That interview on metalist, that everone was talking about a minute ago.

o what's up, John?

I'm cool, thanks. I'm currently in New York, the last stages of mixing the new album. The mix makes us great Andy Wallace, which is really exciting. He is a consummate professional and does an amazing job so far. On a personal note, I can say I'm very happy to be at this point finally.


You said it was in Hebrew though.  Where are people getting the english translation?  That kinda looks like Google translate though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2011, 12:05:50 PM
I've been following this thread for a little while, and it struck me that there may actually be no backing vocals(for those wondering about jordan) - or, if there is, that james is likely doing them. Considering that james wanted to take care of that on his own, it's very possible. Personally, i enjoyed the harmonies better on images when james did them himself.

???  Well...yeah...just about anything is possible, but I haven't seen any information that would lead anyone to the conclusion that it is likely that there are no backing vocals.  Where did that come from?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 15, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
Yeah just put it through google translate.  It's actually quite funny and quite hard to read.

Mike Meng Ginny! Haha

https://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=iw&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metalist.co.il%2FInterviewPrivate.asp%3Fid%3D473 (https://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=iw&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metalist.co.il%2FInterviewPrivate.asp%3Fid%3D473)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 15, 2011, 12:47:16 PM
I've been following this thread for a little while, and it struck me that there may actually be no backing vocals(for those wondering about jordan) - or, if there is, that james is likely doing them. Considering that james wanted to take care of that on his own, it's very possible. Personally, i enjoyed the harmonies better on images when james did them himself.

???  Well...yeah...just about anything is possible, but I haven't seen any information that would lead anyone to the conclusion that it is likely that there are no backing vocals.  Where did that come from?

i have the idea that i read some quote around the forum where somebody made an interview to the guy who did the vocal recording.. he said James and John already had a clear idea of what they wanted to sing.. so i guess that means John did sing some backing vocals...



Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 15, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
found it:

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...
Chycki commented on his role on what can be considered one of the most important albums of Dream Theater’s career.

Working with James and John Petrucci on the new Dream Theater album was certainly an honour. Both James and John had a very confident sense of where they wanted the vocal performances to end up, and it’s gratifying that they placed their trust in my input. That level of focus gives us a surgical strike method to our madness – no guessing, just hitting on the definitive performance. To me, vibe is everything. My studio overlooks an equestrian ranch, swimming pool and gardens, so it’s quite serene and certainly away from any distractions. And, as with the Rush projects I’ve worked on, it’s always important to have fun and maintain a positive frame of mind while working toward the finish line. It’s an intangible facet that can really be heard and I think listeners will find the new Dream Theater is no exception. It’s fresh and exciting, James and the rest of the band perform with an amazing intensity.”

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 15, 2011, 12:59:40 PM
found it:

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Chycki commented on his role on what can be considered one of the most important albums of Dream Theater’s career.

Working with James and John Petrucci on the new Dream Theater album was certainly an honour. Both James and John had a very confident sense of where they wanted the vocal performances to end up, and it’s gratifying that they placed their trust in my input. That level of focus gives us a surgical strike method to our madness – no guessing, just hitting on the definitive performance. To me, vibe is everything. My studio overlooks an equestrian ranch, swimming pool and gardens, so it’s quite serene and certainly away from any distractions. And, as with the Rush projects I’ve worked on, it’s always important to have fun and maintain a positive frame of mind while working toward the finish line. It’s an intangible facet that can really be heard and I think listeners will find the new Dream Theater is no exception. It’s fresh and exciting, James and the rest of the band perform with an amazing intensity.”


that only says they had a clear vision for the vocals...not necessarily that JP did any. JP is the producer, therefore he is going to have a vision for the vocals regardless of if he actually contributes any.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2011, 01:00:12 PM
^That.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 15, 2011, 02:20:03 PM
that only says they had a clear vision for the vocals...not necessarily that JP did any. JP is the producer, therefore he is going to have a vision for the vocals regardless of if he actually contributes any.

that's true, i guess i misinterpreted it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 15, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
So, now that JP has indicated that the album title wasn't meant to refer to MP's departure, will those who hated it for "obviously" being about MP's departure change their minds?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 15, 2011, 02:33:42 PM
I don't think anyone hated it for that reason, it just seems a little "oh c'mon, really?" if you connect the two together.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 15, 2011, 04:44:13 PM
Wow, I really don't like that album title at all.  I figured they would probably name it after the recent transition they've been through, but it seems too wordy and straight forward with no mystery to it.  Something more simple like "Crossroads" would've been perfect, but hey, it's their album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dcrupi on June 15, 2011, 05:30:36 PM
Wow, I really don't like that album title at all.  I figured they would probably name it after the recent transition they've been through, but it seems too wordy and straight forward with no mystery to it.  Something more simple like "Crossroads" would've been perfect, but hey, it's their album.

As we just discussed in the posts above, the title is not about Mike Portnoy.  It is apparently a reference to the lyrical themes of the album.

That said, I find it very difficult to believe that DT didn't realize people would automatically associate it with Portnoy, especially considering they waited until prompting to tell us that it refers to the lyrics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on June 15, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
Ha! (almost)Called it, I knew the song titles somehow tied with the album title with an overall theme or something.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 16, 2011, 01:32:23 AM
Hi there. I've been a lurking here every day since around the time MP left, finally made an account.

If you guys want, I can fully translate that interview since I'm Israeli; there are a few more interesting things in that interview that I haven't seen mentioned translated. There are a few things outside the album discussion that I found interesting. I can translate the whole thing if you guys really want me to, or just provide a quick summary.

There's also another interview by JP here: https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4081516,00.html (https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4081516,00.html)

This second one though doesn't mention much about the record but more or less talks about the departure of MP and arrival of MM as well as playing in Israel two years ago and this summer.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on June 16, 2011, 01:56:46 AM
Welcome to the forum, bro! :tup

I'd be interested in reading anything you have time to translate.  A summary is cool unless other people really want to read it verbatim, but I wouldn't want you to have to spend too much time on it.  Nice of you to offer!

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on June 16, 2011, 04:13:22 AM
Read this in mp forum:

Quote
BTW, in an interview with Israeli online metal magazine, Metalist (yeah, original name indeed), the interviewer asked Petrucci (it's written in hebrew and I just translate, so maybe there are a few wrong words choise, but I think I kept the meaning the same):
"The name of the album immediately connects to last year's events - A Dramatic Turn of Events. is it possible to guess that the musical direction evolves in a dramatic way aswell, now that Mike Portnoy is not part of the band?"
And Petrucci answered:
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."
 
Hope I translted it well. : )

Interesting if true!

Would be nice if this info is added to the new album updates thread. Seems like a worthy piece of news for that thread.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metabog on June 16, 2011, 04:41:04 AM
I'm sorry but that's kind of a... lame concept for an album. All the songs are about "big changes that happened in history?"  ???  I don't know, I understand JP said this, but it almost seems far fetched. The album title seems like such an obvious connection to MP that I almost said "what? are you sure it's not related?" when I read that quote. If they didn't want to make a connection they could've at least chosen a more creative or memorable title. I don't know about you guys but I'm not incredibly impressed by the title and track names, I hope the music lives up though, since the names are really just a minor thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: YtseBitsySpider on June 16, 2011, 08:17:18 AM
a noobish question that's likely already been answered...but..

Did the band have all the songs written, and so on BEFORE Mangini was hired?
Or was he part of the process?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 16, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
a noobish question that's likely already been answered...but..

Did the band have all the songs written, and so on BEFORE Mangini was hired?
Or was he part of the process?

Neither.  For various reasons, he wasn't part of the writing process.  He came in and performed the drums (a mix of Petrucci's ideas and his own) and that was it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 16, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
I'm sorry but that's kind of a... lame concept for an album. All the songs are about "big changes that happened in history?" 

I don't think that was a "concept for an album".  Rather, I think they had a bunch of songs written and then came up with a title to fit them.  Just like the BC&SL.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 16, 2011, 10:22:52 AM
I'm sorry but that's kind of a... lame concept for an album. All the songs are about "big changes that happened in history?"  ???  I don't know, I understand JP said this, but it almost seems far fetched. The album title seems like such an obvious connection to MP that I almost said "what? are you sure it's not related?" when I read that quote. If they didn't want to make a connection they could've at least chosen a more creative or memorable title. I don't know about you guys but I'm not incredibly impressed by the title and track names, I hope the music lives up though, since the names are really just a minor thing.

Oh well.

That's not really what he said but it's a cool loose concept.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 16, 2011, 10:38:59 AM
The fans are making the connection.

I never thought it was connected, but in the bands history MP was ADToE. Its cool to hear its about changes in the world, and how its like PoW. "Its time to make a change" and these are the changes that happened.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 16, 2011, 11:30:26 AM
so...something that nobody saw as a real option, (i think the option has been shot down in numerous of threads?).............this album has got a concept............there for it is a concept album YEAH!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 16, 2011, 11:36:44 AM
Incorrect.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 16, 2011, 11:47:36 AM
ok you defition of a concept album is differnt than mine.
no problem there.
all i want is a DT album ....with some fresh DT music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 16, 2011, 12:42:22 PM
So, now that JP has indicated that the album title wasn't meant to refer to MP's departure, will those who hated it for "obviously" being about MP's departure change their minds?

No, I still don't like it whether it's about that whole situation or not.  But, even if part of it was about that, do you think JP would admit it?  I'm thinking probably not.  But seriously, after going through something like that, how could they not write about it even just a little.  It obviously had a dramatic affect on the band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 16, 2011, 12:45:09 PM
ok you defition of a concept album is differnt than mine.
no problem there.
all i want is a DT album ....with some fresh DT music.

Definitions aren't subjective.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 16, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
ok you defition of a concept album is differnt than mine.
no problem there.
all i want is a DT album ....with some fresh DT music.

Definitions aren't subjective.  :facepalm:

indeed  :facepalm:

In music, a concept album is an album that is "unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical".[1] Commonly, concept albums tend to incorporate preconceived musical or lyrical ideas rather than being improvised or composed in the studio, with all songs contributing to a single overall theme or unified story. This is in contrast to the practice of an artist or group releasing an album consisting of a number of unconnected (lyrically or otherwise) songs performed by the artist.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: skydivingninja on June 16, 2011, 01:00:32 PM
Look, I don't agree with this forum's definition of what constitutes a concept album either but the best idea is just to let it go before people get all butthurt about it.  Trust me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 16, 2011, 01:34:04 PM

In music, a concept album is an album that is "unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical".[1] Commonly, concept albums tend to incorporate preconceived musical or lyrical ideas rather than being improvised or composed in the studio, with all songs contributing to a single overall theme or unified story. This is in contrast to the practice of an artist or group releasing an album consisting of a number of unconnected (lyrically or otherwise) songs performed by the artist.

Well, i guess it will depend if they decided before writing if they were going to write about this concept or if it was just that they didn't have any preconceived idea about what they were going to write of and for some reason the lyrics turned up to be about this stuff. He didn't say if the final product turned to be about that or if they knew it from the begining.

I guess we have a new question to add for the next interview.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2011, 01:36:14 PM
Well also, there's nothing to say that there is a specific connection between the songs. From the way JP described it, it sounds more like what happened with Black Clouds. There was a running theme through a lot of the songs, so they went with that as a title. We'll have to wait and see what it's actually like before we can judge.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 16, 2011, 01:44:35 PM
We'll have to wait and see what it's actually like before we can judge.

This is the internet; that isn't how we do things here.  ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
We'll have to wait and see what it's actually like before we can judge.

This is the internet; that isn't how we do things here.  ;)
I know, I know, but I can try can't I? :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 16, 2011, 02:00:35 PM
We'll have to wait and see what it's actually like before we can judge.

This is the internet; that isn't how we do things here.  ;)
I know, I know, but I can try can't I? :lol
No, you can't. That shit isn't allowed here! ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 16, 2011, 02:03:14 PM
I wonder if the first track of the album starts with those birdy sounds at the end of TCOT
wouldn't be the first time they used it... (SFAM to 6DOIT to TOT to 8VM)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 16, 2011, 02:04:18 PM
I wonder if the first track of the album starts with those birdy sounds at the end of TCOT
wouldn't be the first time they used it... (SFAM to 6DOIT to TOT to 8VM)

I HIGHLY doubt it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 16, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
Here is a quick summary of the interview:

Mixing is indeed in its final stages and Petrucci said he is very happy to be at that point.

"We've had many rehearsals the past few weeks for the upcoming tour. Like every one of us, Mike is getting ready and in my opinion, he's definitely ready with a great and professional attitude." I'm a bit skeptical about this being true; maybe the interviewer might have made a mistake in translating what JP said...

DT will try to release a few songs as singles(fairly obvious...) and JP said: "I definitely stand behind the cliché, and I'm proud to say that the album came out better than excellent and I'm really proud of every aspect of its creation that is portrayed in it: the energy, the band's spirit, lyrics/tunes, and the sound"

I can confirm that ש translation from earlier on in the thread is accurate:
"It's clear to me that it's possible to directly connect the name of the album to everything that has happened with the band in the last year, but it's not the case. the name is connected to the lyrical content of the album, and to the fact that most of the lyrics are about big changes that has happened in history and now in the world (socially, politically, spiritually). The songs are actually about that, and the title of the album represents that fact, but at the same time, I have to confess that it's clear that it's possible to translate it the way in which you talk about - although it wasn't the meaning."  

When asked about being the band leader with MP for decades now and dealing with his departure, JP said:
"There's a misunderstanding - there was never one or two people that led the band, we always worked as one cohesive unit when some of us has different responsibilities. Personally, nothing really changed. It's certainly different when you aren't part of a pair producing the albums and maybe responsible about certain decisions in a different way than the other band members, but I feel pretty much the same. Mike definitely did some amazing things for the band and was amazing with the fans, but the things I do haven't really changed. It's different when I'm producing alone now, but it's something that I enjoy doing and I enjoy taking the responsibility on myself."

"Some of us began writing some material at home before Mike's announcement..."

"While we're writing the music, we build the songs' structures, and then we decide where the singing comes in, and sometimes when that happens, words come out and certainly phrases and melodies. Generally, most of the construction of the words occurs at this stage. Sometimes, and those are very rare situations, there are songs ready with them (referring to lyrics) and we are forced to work on the music differently. There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for them or compose something unique for that specific text."

Since this is a thread discussing the album, I only put information pertaining to it. There are some other tidbits, but they don't belong in here. I hope the info is clear to you guys; my Hebrew regressed a bit ever since I left Israel.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 16, 2011, 02:08:04 PM
"We've had many rehearsals the past few weeks for the upcoming tour. Like every one of us, Mike is getting ready and in my opinion, he's definitely ready with a great and professional attitude." I'm a bit skeptical about this being true; maybe the interviewer might have made a mistake in translating what JP said...

Why are you skeptical about that being true?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2011, 02:13:37 PM
"We've had many rehearsals the past few weeks for the upcoming tour. Like every one of us, Mike is getting ready and in my opinion, he's definitely ready with a great and professional attitude." I'm a bit skeptical about this being true; maybe the interviewer might have made a mistake in translating what JP said...

Why are you skeptical about that being true?
I'm sure JP and one of the techs mentioned rehearsals only started this week (or last maybe). But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 16, 2011, 02:15:58 PM
There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for it or compose something unique for that specific text

Would this confirm that there's going to be some musical links between different songs like WFS/LTL, TM/SDV and V/SOC?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 16, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
Quote
Why are you skeptical about that being true?

The way it's written in the text, it seems like they all rehearsed together. However, I remember reading a tweet by JLB saying that rehearsals start next week. I'm skeptical of them already rehearsing together because it is followed with "Mike is getting ready," which to me doesn't seem like they haven't rehearsed together yet. Or maybe they're already rehearsing just without JLB yet.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 16, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
Oh, I see.  Yeah, hard to say.  It could be a mistranslation, or maybe John misspoke, or maybe they have had some informal rehearsals, but just haven't started the "official" tour rehearsals yet.  Who knows?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 16, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
I wonder if the first track of the album starts with those birdy sounds at the end of TCOT
wouldn't be the first time they used it... (SFAM to 6DOIT to TOT to 8VM)

I HIGHLY doubt it.

the trend of having one cd where the previous left off ended with 8VM as it ended the same way it began.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
Oh, I see.  Yeah, hard to say.  It could be a mistranslation, or maybe John misspoke, or maybe they have had some informal rehearsals, but just haven't started the "official" tour rehearsals yet.  Who knows?
This is exactly my feeling as well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on June 16, 2011, 03:15:22 PM
There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for them or compose something unique for that specific text."

So, Myung probably wrong one song?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 16, 2011, 03:24:53 PM
There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for them or compose something unique for that specific text."

So, Myung probably wrong one song?

If you mean wrote then maybe, but it looks like JP is referring to a song he wrote.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 16, 2011, 03:48:18 PM
I believe JP (it might've been JLB or JR) said Myung wrote for multiple songs, so he may have written some for an already composed song as well, which would be interesting, I wonder how much his lyrical style has changed since 1999, if it changed at all.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 16, 2011, 04:42:48 PM
JMX's lyrics actually won't contain any words that he hasn't already used in previous lyrics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on June 16, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
Wait... is it confirmed that Myung has wrote lyrics for a song(s) on this album?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 16, 2011, 05:44:38 PM
Wait... is it confirmed that Myung has wrote lyrics for a song(s) on this album?

Apparently so. Some user met Jordan a few months(?) ago at a benefit concert and Jordan told him that there will be JM lyrics to several songs. How many I have no clue, but I personally don't see it being higher than two because JP loves to write lyrics and I'm assuming JLB contributed lyrically as well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 16, 2011, 06:41:10 PM
Wait... is it confirmed that Myung has wrote lyrics for a song(s) on this album?

Apparently so. Some user met Jordan a few months(?) ago at a benefit concert and Jordan told him that there will be JM lyrics to several songs. How many I have no clue, but I personally don't see it being higher than two because JP loves to write lyrics and I'm assuming JLB contributed lyrically as well.

Well, now I know how rumors get started.

JR confirmed that JM wrote lyrics on this album, but, as far as I can tell, any statements that it was to more than one song, let alone "several songs" are just rumor.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 16, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
Any word on track lengths yet? or writing credits?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 16, 2011, 07:11:11 PM
^That would be very nice, along with the artwork. Perhaps after the mixing?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 16, 2011, 07:26:21 PM
^That would be very nice, along with the artwork. Perhaps after the mixing?

When it comes to the track lengths - not until mastering is finished.  Mastering is when you figure out precisely how much dead space is before and after every track, which will give us the final official lengths.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 16, 2011, 07:29:52 PM
ReaPsTA, I want to publicly thank you for your timely and informed response.

"Thank you."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheMadgician on June 16, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
ReaPsTA, I want to publicly thank you for your timely and informed response.

"Thank you."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 16, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
ReaPsTA, I want to publicly thank you for your timely and informed response.

"Thank you."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on June 16, 2011, 08:17:10 PM
ReaPsTA, I want to publicly thank you for your timely and informed response.

"Thank you."

Also thanks mocool for the translation. :tup

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 16, 2011, 08:28:30 PM
Yep, thanks for the translation!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Apricot on June 16, 2011, 10:34:57 PM
I'm all for the lyrical concept, provided they aren't extremely literal about it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 16, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
Thanks ReaPsta  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 16, 2011, 11:38:34 PM
There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for them or compose something unique for that specific text."

So, Myung probably wrong one song?

:facepalm:

A FEW singles? Like, all before the album? Fuck.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 16, 2011, 11:55:46 PM
There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for them or compose something unique for that specific text."

So, Myung probably wrong one song?

:facepalm:

A FEW singles? Like, all before the album? Fuck.
You don't have to listen to them. I know I won't be :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 17, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
Oh no, that facepalm was for Jason completely interpolating something that wasn't there.

I'm excited for singles.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 17, 2011, 02:24:15 AM
Wait... is it confirmed that Myung has wrote lyrics for a song(s) on this album?

Apparently so. Some user met Jordan a few months(?) ago at a benefit concert and Jordan told him that there will be JM lyrics to several songs. How many I have no clue, but I personally don't see it being higher than two because JP loves to write lyrics and I'm assuming JLB contributed lyrically as well.

Well, now I know how rumors get started.

JR confirmed that JM wrote lyrics on this album, but, as far as I can tell, any statements that it was to more than one song, let alone "several songs" are just rumor.
The confirmation and the idea that it might be "multiple songs" came from exactly the same place. Namely, one of our number who met him at a recent event. Can't remember what the event was, precisely, but the number's no more dubious than the confirmation that JM's written a word in the first place.

EDIT: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22053.msg867186#msg867186 Here you go.

In this case, rumours get started by first-hand sources. Not chinese whispers.

Not to say that there's not a chance that Mebert could be embellishing - "some bloke off the internet" wouldn't exactly hold the same amount of water as an academic source - but he's been here for a while, he's a trusted member, and I can't see him making things up only to inevitably be proven wrong five months down the line. I'd be more inclined to trust him than Blabbermouth.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 17, 2011, 02:58:25 AM
There's one rare case in this record where I had a song fairly ready lyrically speaking and then I could accommodate it to some existing music in the form of riffs that I thought of for another song. But that's very rare, and almost never were there situations where someone came in with lyrics from home and we were forced to accommodate music for them or compose something unique for that specific text."

So, Myung probably wrong one song?

:facepalm:

A FEW singles? Like, all before the album? Fuck.

A few singles in total, not a few before the album's release
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on June 17, 2011, 06:48:42 AM
In a dream last night Dream Theater were playing in my hometown. They had a new singer, a 13 year old girl and two equally aged back up singers.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2011, 07:02:44 AM
In a dream last night Dream Theater were playing in my hometown. They had a new singer, a 13 year old girl and two equally aged back up singers.

Now THAT would be a dramatic turn of events. And a nightmare to remember. Plus a fatal tragedy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 17, 2011, 07:04:57 AM
And a panic attack. Wait, that'd be from my end.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 17, 2011, 07:05:25 AM
Wait... is it confirmed that Myung has wrote lyrics for a song(s) on this album?

Apparently so. Some user met Jordan a few months(?) ago at a benefit concert and Jordan told him that there will be JM lyrics to several songs. How many I have no clue, but I personally don't see it being higher than two because JP loves to write lyrics and I'm assuming JLB contributed lyrically as well.

Well, now I know how rumors get started.

JR confirmed that JM wrote lyrics on this album, but, as far as I can tell, any statements that it was to more than one song, let alone "several songs" are just rumor.
The confirmation and the idea that it might be "multiple songs" came from exactly the same place. Namely, one of our number who met him at a recent event. Can't remember what the event was, precisely, but the number's no more dubious than the confirmation that JM's written a word in the first place.

EDIT: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22053.msg867186#msg867186 Here you go.

In this case, rumours get started by first-hand sources. Not chinese whispers.

Not to say that there's not a chance that Mebert could be embellishing - "some bloke off the internet" wouldn't exactly hold the same amount of water as an academic source - but he's been here for a while, he's a trusted member, and I can't see him making things up only to inevitably be proven wrong five months down the line. I'd be more inclined to trust him than Blabbermouth.

I'm not doubting Mebert's account.  To quote that post you linked to:

Quote from: Mebert78
He said one thing he could tell me is that Myung wrote lyrics for songs (I believe he said songs, plural -- as in multiple songs).

There's some doubt there as to whether the plural "songs" is accurate.  Mebert may have misheard or misremembered, or JR may have misspoke.  Regardless, Mebert did the repsonsible thing and highlighted that the mulitiple songs thing is not certain.  Yet, in the retelling it's gone from "I believe he said songs, plural" to "definitely multiple songs" to "several songs".    

In my haste to jump on the "several songs" thing, though, I overlooked this quote from Samara, with which I agree strongly:
Quote from:  Samara
How many I have no clue, but I personally don't see it being higher than two because JP loves to write lyrics and I'm assuming JLB contributed lyrically as well.

Personally, I'd be willing to place a wager that Myung only wrote lyrics for one song.  

But only a very small wager.   ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on June 17, 2011, 07:33:26 AM
He may or may not have written lyrics, but they don't always get used... I also would wager a small amount that he only wrote 1, but 2-3 is plausible as well.  I'm just going off of Petrucci saying that somebody brought in lyrics without a song in mind, which is what Portnoy used to complain about; probably, this was Myung.  Did Myung wrote a song + lyrics for a 2nd song?  Maybe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 17, 2011, 07:53:44 AM
He may or may not have written lyrics, but they don't always get used... I also would wager a small amount that he only wrote 1, but 2-3 is plausible as well.  I'm just going off of Petrucci saying that somebody brought in lyrics without a song in mind, which is what Portnoy used to complain about; probably, this was Myung.  Did Myung wrote a song + lyrics for a 2nd song?  Maybe.

No, JP said HE (HE as in John Petrucci) had lyrics ready without the music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on June 17, 2011, 10:06:56 AM
In a dream last night Dream Theater were playing in my hometown. They had a new singer, a 13 year old girl and two equally aged back up singers.

Weird I had a similar dream last night, except it was a bit more realistic lol.  I was watching DT play on the new tour live, and I remember watching Mangini and his huge kit a lot in the dream.  The only parts I remember was they played Learning to Live followed immediately by 6:00.  :metal
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Post by: krands85 on June 17, 2011, 12:49:06 PM
In a dream last night Dream Theater were playing in my hometown. They had a new singer, a 13 year old girl and two equally aged back up singers.
I had a dream the other night I was in their studio (although it seemed more like a house that looked out onto a large back garden). Anyway, I was chatting to Jordan about how they come up with ideas for songs and how they build them. He told me he basically gets some sound effects/samples (eg. thunder/sirens or whatever) and that they build all the songs around those :D
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Post by: Metro on June 17, 2011, 01:06:49 PM
While we're on the subject of DT dreams, I had a dream where DT was rehearsing for the upcoming tour and Jordan decided to quit because the new songs were "too technical". The band decided to continue without a keyboardist. I actually woke up thinking it was real..
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Post by: jonny108 on June 17, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
I had a dream that James died the other day :/ Right before the tour too, so the rest of the guys decided to call it quits.  The album would have been their swan song.  Strange dream :/ I woke up nearly in tears and thought thank god.  :lol
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 17, 2011, 07:10:48 PM
I had a dream that James died the other day :/ Right before the tour too, so the rest of the guys decided to call it quits.  The album would have been their swan song.  Strange dream :/ I woke up nearly in tears and thought thank god.  :lol

Actually, there was a guy that died.


























Right at the audition?
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Post by: Aniland on June 18, 2011, 12:33:42 AM
LOL gotta go watch that
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Post by: Jirpo on June 18, 2011, 03:40:12 AM
In a dream last night Dream Theater were playing in my hometown. They had a new singer, a 13 year old girl and two equally aged back up singers.
I had a dream the other night I was in their studio (although it seemed more like a house that looked out onto a large back garden). Anyway, I was chatting to Jordan about how they come up with ideas for songs and how they build them. He told me he basically gets some sound effects/samples (eg. thunder/sirens or whatever) and that they build all the songs around those :D
:rollin :rollin
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Post by: Bertielee on June 18, 2011, 04:38:54 AM
In a dream last night Dream Theater were playing in my hometown. They had a new singer, a 13 year old girl and two equally aged back up singers.
I had a dream the other night I was in their studio (although it seemed more like a house that looked out onto a large back garden). Anyway, I was chatting to Jordan about how they come up with ideas for songs and how they build them. He told me he basically gets some sound effects/samples (eg. thunder/sirens or whatever) and that they build all the songs around those :D
:rollin :rollin

 :rollin :rollin

B.Lee
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Post by: DejaVu on June 18, 2011, 11:29:17 AM
In the subject of dreams, I listened through BC&SL before going to sleep a few nights ago, and it got me into a pretty vivid dream. I was watching Dream Theater playing live, but they were headlining at my local park, and for some reason there was only Petrucci, Myung and even stranger... Portnoy!  I was talking with Petrucci and Myung after the gig, just hanging out, Myung bought me kebab meat and chips from a local chip shop (I have no idea haha), it was really great hanging out with them!

I had an empty feeling after I awoke, I thought it was too real. But I'm going to miss Portnoy this July, bring on Mangini! :laugh:
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 18, 2011, 01:43:56 PM
In the subject of dreams, I listened through BC&SL before going to sleep a few nights ago, and it got me into a pretty vivid dream. I was watching Dream Theater playing live, but they were headlining at my local park, and for some reason there was only Petrucci, Myung and even stranger... Portnoy!  I was talking with Petrucci and Myung after the gig, just hanging out, Myung bought me kebab meat and chips from a local chip shop (I have no idea haha), it was really great hanging out with them!

I had an empty feeling after I awoke, I thought it was too real. But I'm going to miss Portnoy this July, bring on Mangini! :laugh:
Great ;D
I want to dream something like that :P
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Post by: Vajra on June 18, 2011, 04:58:48 PM
Woah, we're talking about dreams about DREAM Theater...


conspiracy?
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Post by: abydos on June 18, 2011, 05:26:19 PM
What a dramatic turn of events!
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Post by: mocool13 on June 18, 2011, 06:06:34 PM
I think this would be appropriate to include in the thread:

Just having JM lyrics would be exciting enough, but according to Jordan:

"He has just been more involved in this album than he has been in a while. To the point where he is writing some lyrics and he had a lot of riff ideas and was very excited about going forward with this new situation."

(quote from interview I did for an upcoming Classic Rock Presents Prog DT feature)
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Post by: Jamesman42 on June 18, 2011, 06:13:25 PM
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Post by: Apricot on June 18, 2011, 06:29:11 PM
POTENTIAL SPOILER:

No this isn't a leak mods, don't shoot me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFrjzHoZL1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFrjzHoZL1o)
Not sure if the title of 'small tease' indicates to it being part of the album or not.
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Post by: jonny108 on June 18, 2011, 06:37:30 PM
Oh god I sure hope so.  Very "The Great Debatish"  :)
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Post by: Apricot on June 18, 2011, 06:39:08 PM
Oh god I sure hope so.  Very "The Great Debatish"  :)
I was thinking the same thing haha.
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Post by: jonny108 on June 18, 2011, 06:43:43 PM
Or maybe it could just mean that they are playing The Great Debate on this tour.  :)  That would be awesome!
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Post by: emindead on June 18, 2011, 06:54:16 PM
Oh please, none of the above. The Great Debate is terrible in every way.

Also, posting anything uploaded by the DT members is perfectly legal and within the rules of this site. If they leak something it's their problem.
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Post by: jonny108 on June 18, 2011, 06:58:49 PM
Oh please, none of the above. The Great Debate is terrible in every way.

Blasphemy! Amazing song!
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Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 18, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
lolemin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Apricot on June 18, 2011, 07:06:38 PM
Also, posting anything uploaded by the DT members is perfectly legal and within the rules of this site. If they leak something it's their problem.

Oh I was referring to the possibility that it might not have been Jordan who uploaded the video, due to it being leaked or something. Slim chances I know...
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Post by: abydos on June 18, 2011, 07:17:46 PM
The Great Debate is a great song, and even if you don't like it because the intro or the outro or the chorus - there are still other great moments in it and describing it as "terrible in every way" is just... wrong. In every way.
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Post by: emindead on June 18, 2011, 07:18:20 PM
lolemin
LIFE TO SAVE zzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: Jamesman42 on June 18, 2011, 07:33:30 PM
Oh please, none of the above. The Great Debate is terrible in every way.

Also, posting anything uploaded by the DT members is perfectly legal and within the rules of this site. If they leak something it's their problem.

Why

Why are you here

Where do we we go when we die?
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 18, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
Also, posting anything uploaded by the DT members is perfectly legal and within the rules of this site. If they leak something it's their problem.

Oh I was referring to the possibility that it might not have been Jordan who uploaded the video, due to it being leaked or something. Slim chances I know...
jcrudess is jordan's youtube account and since he uploaded it, it's all good.  :)
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Post by: atmyne on June 18, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
From reading the comments and his responses, I think it's him doing some technical exercises.
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Post by: GasparXR on June 18, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
It's definitely The Great Debate. Someone in the comments said Blind Faith, haha, they got pretty mixed up there.
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Post by: JPX on June 18, 2011, 09:29:23 PM
lolemin
LIFE TO SAVE zzzzzzzzzzz

You must be that one DT fan that likes Prophets of War.

We would be so lucky if they were writing material as good as TGD.
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Post by: BlackwaterPerk on June 18, 2011, 09:57:18 PM
Well, I really LOVE Prophets of War, as well as The Great Debate.  :D
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Post by: ReaPsTA on June 18, 2011, 10:10:39 PM
I think this would be appropriate to include in the thread:

Just having JM lyrics would be exciting enough, but according to Jordan:

"He has just been more involved in this album than he has been in a while. To the point where he is writing some lyrics and he had a lot of riff ideas and was very excited about going forward with this new situation."

(quote from interview I did for an upcoming Classic Rock Presents Prog DT feature)

JOHN MYUNG IS BACK!!!
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Post by: Aniland on June 18, 2011, 11:23:28 PM
lolemin
LIFE TO SAVE zzzzzzzzzzz

You must be that one DT fan that likes Prophets of War.

We would be so lucky if they were writing material as good as TGD.

Oh speak for yourself. I love that song.
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Post by: Jaffa on June 19, 2011, 12:17:47 AM
Here to back up Emindead.  The Great Debate has never really done much for me.  At times I find it borderline irritating. 

Also, I had a dream about a bear on a pirate ship.  There were lamps which could potentially have held genies.  And there might have been a ninja - I didn't see any, but then, I wouldn't, so.  Does this qualify as a Dream Theater related dream?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 19, 2011, 02:13:45 AM
I think this would be appropriate to include in the thread:

Just having JM lyrics would be exciting enough, but according to Jordan:

"He has just been more involved in this album than he has been in a while. To the point where he is writing some lyrics and he had a lot of riff ideas and was very excited about going forward with this new situation."

(quote from interview I did for an upcoming Classic Rock Presents Prog DT feature)


JOHN MYUNG IS BACK!!!



Emboldened for emphasis. EMBOLDENED FOR EMPHASIS!!!!
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Post by: ariich on June 19, 2011, 03:54:18 AM
:lol

This is basically me: :caffeine:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Apricot on June 19, 2011, 04:22:34 AM
You must be that one DT fan that likes Prophets of War.

Not criticising, but what do you find so bad about that song?
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Post by: tri.ad on June 19, 2011, 05:04:32 AM
TGD on tour? Hell yeah! :)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 19, 2011, 05:36:10 AM
You must be that one DT fan that likes Prophets of War.

Not criticising, but what do you find so bad about that song?
That it's awful. 

Seriously, that is a fairly unliked song.  Definitely in the lower (lowest?) echelon around here.
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Post by: nikatapi on June 19, 2011, 06:26:26 AM
You must be that one DT fan that likes Prophets of War.

Not criticising, but what do you find so bad about that song?
That it's awful. 

Seriously, that is a fairly unliked song.  Definitely in the lower (lowest?) echelon around here.

Awful? I have to disagree here.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 19, 2011, 06:29:31 AM
You must be that one DT fan that likes Prophets of War.

Not criticising, but what do you find so bad about that song?
That it's awful. 

Seriously, that is a fairly unliked song.  Definitely in the lower (lowest?) echelon around here.

I like Prophets of War.  What's wrong with it?
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Post by: cyberdrummer on June 19, 2011, 06:30:44 AM
I also like Prophets of War. Really fun song.
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Post by: abydos on June 19, 2011, 06:35:22 AM
Prophets of War is the best song on the album after ITPOE2, imo (and of course that godawful "rapping" part from MP). It has a great guitar riff, catchy melodies and it's also James' best performance on the album. The only "bad" thing about is the intro, imo. Yeah, the lyrics aren't the best nor particularly original on the subject and all that but they are good enough to get the point across. A fun song, good for live participation too - it's The Rite of Passage of the album.
Saying this song is awful and loving tunes like CM, TDEN, TCOT is mind-boggling to me.
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Post by: Zook on June 19, 2011, 06:47:07 AM
Comparing PoW to CM, TDEN and TCOT is mind boggling to me.
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Post by: TheKillingHand on June 19, 2011, 06:56:51 AM
I also like Prophets of War
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Post by: BlackInk on June 19, 2011, 07:06:37 AM
I must have accidentally clicked myself right in to a Prophets of War thread... My computer is the weirdest.
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Post by: abydos on June 19, 2011, 07:16:14 AM
Comparing PoW to CM, TDEN and TCOT is mind boggling to me.
Who's comparing them?
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Post by: John94 on June 19, 2011, 07:17:31 AM
I love Prophets of War. I think it would've made a better single, personally.

Can't wait to hear what JMX had to offer. I'm getting more and more excited by the day!
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Post by: Zook on June 19, 2011, 07:28:48 AM
Comparing PoW to CM, TDEN and TCOT is mind boggling to me.
Who's comparing them?


Sorry half asleep. CM, TDEN and TCOT aren't awful in any way, but CM is the weakest out of them. Prophets of War is just terrible.
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Post by: abydos on June 19, 2011, 07:37:36 AM
Comparing PoW to CM, TDEN and TCOT is mind boggling to me.
Who's comparing them?


Sorry half asleep. CM, TDEN and TCOT aren't awful in any way, but CM is the weakest out of them. Prophets of War is just terrible.
Eh, my point exactly. To me those songs are just atrocious from start to finish, whereas PoW has it's flaws and it's not the best song ever, but has a nice flow with fun and catchy melodies. I'm still shocked that there are people who can stand that blatant Metallica rip off, though. Opinions - what can you do? :D
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Post by: wammabe on June 19, 2011, 07:59:18 AM
I had a dream in which people started arguing about their opinions on Prophets of War in a ADTOE thread.
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Post by: chaotic_ripper on June 19, 2011, 08:09:45 AM
So is the Kronos keyboard replacing his Korg OASYS?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 19, 2011, 08:16:53 AM
Comparing PoW to CM, TDEN and TCOT is mind boggling to me.
Who's comparing them?


Sorry half asleep. CM, TDEN and TCOT aren't awful in any way, but CM is the weakest out of them. Prophets of War is just terrible.
Eh, my point exactly. To me those songs are just atrocious from start to finish, whereas PoW has it's flaws and it's not the best song ever, but has a nice flow with fun and catchy melodies. I'm still shocked that there are people who can stand that blatant Metallica rip off, though. Opinions - what can you do? :D

Dude... Constant Motion, The Count of Tuscany and The Dark Eternal Night is not atrocious. That's just a plainly invalid statement.

(EDIT) On topic: Still psyched for the new album  ;D
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Post by: atmyne on June 19, 2011, 08:25:43 AM
still have to wait till September for this thing...
*me gusta*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 19, 2011, 08:26:04 AM
Comparing PoW to CM, TDEN and TCOT is mind boggling to me.
Who's comparing them?


Sorry half asleep. CM, TDEN and TCOT aren't awful in any way, but CM is the weakest out of them. Prophets of War is just terrible.
Eh, my point exactly. To me those songs are just atrocious from start to finish, whereas PoW has it's flaws and it's not the best song ever, but has a nice flow with fun and catchy melodies. I'm still shocked that there are people who can stand that blatant Metallica rip off, though. Opinions - what can you do? :D

So you like PoW more than the orgasmic intro to TCoT? Singing in a James Hetfield style is not necessarily ripping off Metallica. Sure, the song screams Metallica, but at least CM doesn't rip off like 20 different bands at once. TDEN is just fun song to listen to. Maybe you like Disco, I don't know...
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Post by: Elaitch on June 19, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
Thank you, Zook
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Post by: Progmetty on June 19, 2011, 09:05:18 AM
All right title and tracklisting! release date too! it's great to be away for a while and come back to so much news!
Anybody made a joke about how the album title would have been very convenient for MP to turn into a drum dvd? Would be disappointed if no one did.
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Post by: Jamesman42 on June 19, 2011, 09:21:43 AM
All right title and tracklisting! release date too! it's great to be away for a while and come back to so much news!
Anybody made a joke about how the album title would have been very convenient for MP to turn into a drum dvd? Would be disappointed if no one did.

Haha yep..."A Drumatic Turn of Events"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 19, 2011, 10:34:01 AM
@thePoWdiscussion:
PoW is one of my top 10 songs, Its something different, and I still don't understand what makes the song bad. Sounds like jumping the bandwagon. JLB's vocals are among his best. No solo, just a simple spoken part, the spot on feedback. Though it does has its flaws, like most other DT songs post 8VM, The MP spoken part could've been scrapped and they could've left the beautiful riffs underneath, and added an intro.
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Post by: Slain on June 19, 2011, 04:27:44 PM
@thePoWdiscussion:
PoW is one of my top 10 songs, Its something different, and I still don't understand what makes the song bad. Sounds like jumping the bandwagon. JLB's vocals are among his best. No solo, just a simple spoken part, the spot on feedback. Though it does has its flaws, like most other DT songs post 8VM, The MP spoken part could've been scrapped and they could've left the beautiful riffs underneath, and added an intro.

I love the song too. It's really different and creative for DT... I agree about the spoken part.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kyo on June 19, 2011, 05:10:39 PM
I think this would be appropriate to include in the thread:

Definitely!

Quote
Just having JM lyrics would be exciting enough, but according to Jordan:

"He has just been more involved in this album than he has been in a while. To the point where he is writing some lyrics and he had a lot of riff ideas and was very excited about going forward with this new situation."

(quote from interview I did for an upcoming Classic Rock Presents Prog DT feature)

Fantastic news!  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mocool13 on June 19, 2011, 05:31:51 PM
So now that we got an official confirmation of JM lyrics from Rich Wilson, how many songs are you guys expecting him to write?

My guess for the band:

JM: 2
JP: 4
JLB: 2

I think we'll have one instrumental, so that obviously takes care of 9 songs.

Do you guys think that perhaps some combination of the aforementioned writers shared credit on a song or several songs? To my knowledge it hasn't really happened recently with the exception of the SDOIT and 8VM title tracks where some sections were written by one member and other sections written by another.


BTW, I'm even more excited about JM writing riffs and being more proactive on the musical side of things.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 19, 2011, 06:11:54 PM
With how they are writing from what we've heard, it is very possible that there are dual lyric credits for a song (or songs).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on June 19, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
Prophets of War is a good song, not great IMO.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 19, 2011, 08:08:28 PM
I saw PoW's first live rendition, so take that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 20, 2011, 01:22:28 AM
I saw PoW's first live rendition, so take that.

How was it.
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Post by: SystematicThought on June 20, 2011, 02:35:47 AM
I saw it live when they played it in Minneapolis. It's actually amazing live and it's a real crowd driven song, obviously because of the chants. I loved how JR's keyboard solo segued into PoW
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Post by: wasteland on June 20, 2011, 02:44:29 AM
I saw it live when they played it in Minneapolis. It's actually amazing live and it's a real crowd driven song, obviously because of the chants. I loved how JR's keyboard solo segued into PoW

I love how JR always refuses to look at the keyoboard while playing the intro riff of PoW. It's like he's saying: "I don't even need to look at this shit"  :biggrin:
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Post by: weirdo on June 20, 2011, 04:20:37 AM
I, unlike many others, like the newer albums (since 6DoIT and ToT) more than the older ones. But still they all are amazing. Idk I might be overoptimistic, but I think there is really no DT song that I don’t like :/ (or at least VERY few). They are all good in their own way. Maybe I should learn to be more critical idk :P.

However I have listened DT for only a couple of years so I respect the opinions of those who have followed the progress of the band a bit longer than I have :).

Anyway…. Im not very conservative when it comes to DT music. The main reason why I fell in love with DT music is that I thought (and still think) that their music is so varying, unpredictable and fun to listen to and they are not afraid to try something new. So my point is: for me, the more surprising, original and unpredictable the new album is, the better. And Im sure I wont be disappointed ^^
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jimgolf on June 20, 2011, 04:45:41 AM
I, unlike many others, like the newer albums (since 6DoIT and ToT) more than the older ones. But still they all are amazing. Idk I might be overoptimistic, but I think there is really no DT song that I don’t like :/ (or at least VERY few). They are all good in their own way. Maybe I should learn to be more critical idk :P.

However I have listened DT for only a couple of years so I respect the opinions of those who have followed the progress of the band a bit longer than I have :).

Anyway…. Im not very conservative when it comes to DT music. The main reason why I fell in love with DT music is that I thought (and still think) that their music is so varying, unpredictable and fun to listen to and they are not afraid to try something new. So my point is: for me, the more surprising, original and unpredictable the new album is, the better. And Im sure I wont be disappointed ^^



I actually really like this opinion. Although there are some dt songs I may slightly prefer over others, I have liked each song a lot at one point or another while listening to the band. Even Prophets of War(it was actually my favorite song when the album first came out for some reason.)

Also, all this news about John Myung and James' vocals is very cool. Although, what really has me excited about this album is the song titles for some reason. I just like how they seem like they are going to contain lyrics open to interpretation, which were in my opinion, were always the best ones - especially for a long-term analysis of the album
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 20, 2011, 04:47:18 AM
I'm glad that every single person who likes that abysmal song has posted in this thread, but let's try to steer the thread back on topic.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on June 20, 2011, 05:21:54 AM
Not if you keep manipulating the grounds of Internets into thinking that all other people hate PoW. What a great song! And yeah, it would have been a cool single.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tjanuranus on June 20, 2011, 05:26:46 AM
yeah c'mon whats with the hate? Song is cool as hell.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 20, 2011, 06:18:46 AM
opinions opinions
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 20, 2011, 08:14:06 AM
Quote from: Twitter
Piratecjs James LaBrie
Hey EdizArca, Don't know what your reading or listening to but we r far from commercial with the new material.

Excellent.  :burns:  <-- (there needs to be an icon for that  :lol)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 20, 2011, 08:17:21 AM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 20, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
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:burn: would be perfect
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 20, 2011, 08:20:36 AM
Just every now and then, someone'll quote James's twitter, and I'll have forgotten how funny and goofy his username is. And then I'll see it, chuckle, and enjoy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 20, 2011, 08:23:42 AM
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"Zydar, you are amazing" ©
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 20, 2011, 09:24:28 AM
I really didn't know where to put this, so I'll just put it here.


Mike recently posted these responses on his Facebook Fan Page:
 
On the subject of: "why is MP doing so many projects if he 'wanted a break'":
 
MP: "Once and for all (yeah right!), I felt *DT* needed a break...we were doing a constant write/record/tour cycle for over 20 years (of which I oversaw every aspect and was burnt out) and I felt the routine of the endless cycle (and our internal relationships) were getting stale and needed a little break to shake things up and re-inspire...I NEVER said that *I* needed a break from playing/creating/working.."
 
 
On the subject of:"JP & JR stated you wanted the band to just stop for 5 years...how could you expect them to do that?":
 
MP: "I never said '5 years' as they are saying...I suggested an "indefinite" break (which is exactly that...take some time off and when we ALL were ready, re-start)...they said no...I then suggested a compromise of reconvening in Jan 2012...they still said no...I then suggested a further compromise of doing "light work" throughout 2011 in order to keep $ flowing in...and they STILL said no...they basically said 'it's Jan 2011 or we're moving on without you'...with no compromises and no concerns or respect for my need for time off...and I wasn't going to be "forced" into something I wasn't ready to do, so I was left with no choice but to step aside....and then at the end of October, after 6 weeks of reflection, I was willing to do it just for the sake of not losing my own band, but they already started their auditions and their film and it was too late (although Mangini was NOT in the band yet at this point)...and even then, they had their lawyers respond to me...they didnt even do it themselves!! So everybody, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT before making accusations about me!!! or even better yet, let's just drop it and move on...The Serenity Prayer has taught me to "accept the things I cannot change"...and until somebody builds a time machine, you cannot change the past (and even then, the movies have hinted that you still cant)" 
   
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 20, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
I really didn't know where to put this, so I'll just put it here.


Mike recently posted these responses on his Facebook Fan Page:
  
On the subject of: "why is MP doing so many projects if he 'wanted a break'":
  
MP: "Once and for all (yeah right!), I felt *DT* needed a break...we were doing a constant write/record/tour cycle for over 20 years (of which I oversaw every aspect and was burnt out) and I felt the routine of the endless cycle (and our internal relationships) were getting stale and needed a little break to shake things up and re-inspire...I NEVER said that *I* needed a break from playing/creating/working.."
  
  
On the subject of:"JP & JR stated you wanted the band to just stop for 5 years...how could you expect them to do that?":
  
MP: "I never said '5 years' as they are saying...I suggested an "indefinite" break (which is exactly that...take some time off and when we ALL were ready, re-start)...they said no...I then suggested a compromise of reconvening in Jan 2012...they still said no...I then suggested a further compromise of doing "light work" throughout 2011 in order to keep $ flowing in...and they STILL said no...they basically said 'it's Jan 2011 or we're moving on without you'...with no compromises and no concerns or respect for my need for time off...and I wasn't going to be "forced" into something I wasn't ready to do, so I was left with no choice but to step aside....and then at the end of October, after 6 weeks of reflection, I was willing to do it just for the sake of not losing my own band, but they already started their auditions and their film and it was too late (although Mangini was NOT in the band yet at this point)...and even then, they had their lawyers respond to me...they didnt even do it themselves!! So everybody, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT before making accusations about me!!! or even better yet, let's just drop it and move on...The Serenity Prayer has taught me to "accept the things I cannot change"...and until somebody builds a time machine, you cannot change the past (and even then, the movies have hinted that you still cant)"  
  

Does he still feel the need of having periodic outburst like this?  :sad:

Actually, it is quite shameful to compare the words each of the two parts has spent for the other since the breakup. But I guess this is MP's way...  ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 20, 2011, 09:40:51 AM
Big facepalms were had here.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 20, 2011, 09:43:41 AM
I don't see anything wrong with MP's words. If anything, he's defending himself against all the baseless accusations people make about him without even knowing the facts, as he says. I've seen plenty of those accusations in this forum and if I were Mike I would definitely feel ofended about people's animosity towards me, and try to get things straight.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 20, 2011, 09:46:03 AM
I really didn't know where to put this, so I'll just put it here.

Um...maybe any one of the several threads that are actually about Mike leaving the band?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 20, 2011, 09:46:52 AM
What I think is wrong with that is bringing once again the whole "I told them this...they refused (BUT OF COURSE....NOT THEMSELVES BUT WITH THEIR *LAWYER*....)" ordeal.

wasteland has a good point in comparing the wording of the DT guys and the wording of MP. I'm sorry, but I just can't help to think that the DT guys are hell lot more mature than MP.


I really didn't know where to put this, so I'll just put it here.

Um...maybe any one of the several threads that are actually about Mike leaving the band?
Didn't know if it was a good idea to necro one of those threads, but yeah. My bad.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 20, 2011, 09:51:51 AM
I don't see anything wrong with MP's words. If anything, he's defending himself against all the baseless accusations people make about him without even knowing the facts, as he says. I've seen plenty of those accusations in this forum and if I were Mike I would definitely feel ofended about people's animosity towards me, and try to get things straight.

That's right, but the problem is that he already did make things clear. He wrote several pages of explaination, comments and whatever over the last 9 months. He said he was heartbroken, that he needed time to work things out, and than that he felt great with his "new life" and he could not be happier to do what he was doing.

If he is so happy, why are his words so sour? He has the right to say whatever he wants to, but to further iterate these verbal exploits seems to me a bit out of place now.

Ok, let's come back in topic: this album is not going to be commercial, according to James's words. Were you worried about it? That this album could drive DT away from ProgLand?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheSilentHam on June 20, 2011, 09:54:42 AM

  MP: I felt *DT* needed a break...we were doing a constant write/record/tour cycle for over 20 years (of which I oversaw every aspect and was burnt out) and I felt the routine of the endless cycle (and our internal relationships) were getting stale and needed a little break to shake things up and re-inspire...I NEVER *never* said that *I* needed a break from playing/creating/working.."
  
  
On the subject of:"JP & JR stated you wanted the band to just stop for 5 years...how could you expect them to do that?":
  
MP: Let's just drop it and move on...The Serenity Prayer has taught me to "accept the things I cannot change"...and until somebody builds a time machine, you cannot change the past (and even then, the movies have hinted that you still cant)"  
  

I would have been more impressed if the response had been left to this ^ alone, but I expect too much...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 20, 2011, 09:58:27 AM
Probably because that's what happens when his fans are ignorant and assume whatever they want. He is happy, he just wanted to make the message as bold and clear as possible so people will stop making accusations about him.

JP & JR probably said ~5 years because when bands do indefinite breaks, that's usually what the break lasts for as far as I know (I could be wrong, but that's my guess). They probably left out that Mike compromised with just a year break and so forth because they were explaining how they felt about the ordeal itself, not the details of it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 20, 2011, 10:02:01 AM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheMadgician on June 20, 2011, 10:06:03 AM
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HOOCHIE MAMA
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 20, 2011, 10:07:30 AM
I really didn't know where to put this, so I'll just put it here.

Um...maybe any one of the several threads that are actually about Mike leaving the band?
Didn't know if it was a good idea to necro one of those threads, but yeah. My bad.

No, you definitely should.  It belongs in that discussion--not here.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 20, 2011, 10:07:44 AM
Probably because that's what happens when his fans are ignorant and assume whatever they want. He is happy, he just wanted to make the message as bold and clear as possible so people will stop making accusations about him.
Agreed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 20, 2011, 10:25:33 AM
DT said MP asked to come back after MM was chosen...and MP is saying otherwise. weird.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on June 20, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
No matter how many times JP and JR try to state otherwise, relations in DT camp were not healthy. Certainly when you after more than 20 years together choose to have your lawyer do the communications with the other part.

JP feels "heartbroken", bullshit (?)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 20, 2011, 10:42:06 AM
No matter how many times JP and JR try to state otherwise, relations in DT camp were not healthy. Certainly when you after more than 20 years together choose to have your lawyer do the communications with the other part.

JP feels "heartbroken", bullshit (?)
For what it's worth, Mike, I'm really looking forward to Adrenaline Mob.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2011, 11:12:05 AM
No matter how many times JP and JR try to state otherwise, relations in DT camp were not healthy. Certainly when you after more than 20 years together choose to have your lawyer do the communications with the other part.

JP feels "heartbroken", bullshit (?)

Who cares who is right or who is wrong? In the end, MP left DT and they went on making music seperately. And yes, maybe there's more to it than what we actually know, but what matters is that they go on making music.

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 20, 2011, 11:52:02 AM
I've arrived at a point where I'm just taking notice of what MP has to say about his departure and nothing more. It's more or less just more of the same imo.
All eyes on DT, I guess. At least, that's what applies to me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 20, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
You guys will talk about literally anything if it gets brought up.

I think that Chipotle is a boring restaurant with fairly tasteless burritos. Seriously, there's like no flavor.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
I've arrived at a point where I'm just taking notice of what MP has to say about his departure and nothing more. It's more or less just more of the same imo.
All eyes on DT, I guess. At least, that's what applies to me.

Given that I've never ever been interested in what MP has done outside DT, that applies to me too.

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2011, 12:32:43 PM
You guys will talk about literally anything if it gets brought up.

I think that Chipotle is a boring restaurant with fairly tasteless burritos. Seriously, there's like no flavor.

It's you, Aniland, who writes that? :rollin

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 20, 2011, 12:40:45 PM
I agree with MP about the serenity prayer...

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 20, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
You guys will talk about literally anything if it gets brought up.

I think that Chipotle is a boring restaurant with fairly tasteless burritos. Seriously, there's like no flavor.

Aniland, stop trolling threads.  Consider this your warning.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 20, 2011, 01:06:22 PM
You guys will talk about literally anything if it gets brought up.

I think that Chipotle is a boring restaurant with fairly tasteless burritos. Seriously, there's like no flavor.

:facepalm:

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 20, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
You guys will talk about literally anything if it gets brought up.

I think that Chipotle is a boring restaurant with fairly tasteless burritos. Seriously, there's like no flavor.
Indeed and I do agree with the Chipotle comment.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 20, 2011, 04:54:40 PM
You guys will talk about literally anything if it gets brought up.

I think that Chipotle is a boring restaurant with fairly tasteless burritos. Seriously, there's like no flavor.

Aniland, stop trolling threads.  Consider this your warning.

Not to be flippant, but I'm not doing that here (nor have I in quite a while). Just think it's funny that the thread went from PoW to MP leaving.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 20, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Probably because that's what happens when his fans are ignorant and assume whatever they want. He is happy, he just wanted to make the message as bold and clear as possible so people will stop making accusations about him.

Eh....  I'm not saying he should be all sunshine and rainbows about it, but MP still seems extremely angry/sad/frustrated/distraught about what happened.  He can say he's over it/happy/etc., but his actions at least tell me something completely different.

Why even reply to those comments on Facebook.  Why would he care?

I thought it was interesting he wrote "...for the sake of not losing my own band."  He still thinks of DT as his band.  I also kinda think he feels more personally betrayed by this then he's letting on (which doesn't seem possible, I know).  Like, if the level of bitterness we're seeing is him trying to restrain himself, then what else is stored away in there that we're not seeing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 20, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
I don't think Portnoy has handled any of this well, but I'm still going to feel so sorry for him if the new DT album is received really well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 20, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
I don't think Portnoy has handled any of this well, but I'm still going to feel so sorry for him if the new DT album is received really well.

I'll feel bad for him.  But sorry for him?  Not really.  If MP's still co-producer of DT11, do any of the following things happen?:

 - MP going to JM and saying "Look, I'm sorry about the lyric rule.  It was a dick move.  I want you to feel like we see your lyrics as a positive to the band and not an imposition."
 - MP letting JLB record the vocals in Canada with Richard Chycki.
 - MP saying to the band members "Hey, we should be less of an LTE style jam band and try writing our material with a stronger sense of introspection and personal depth."
 - MP deciding to rededicate himself to the art and craft of drumming to move his playing up a level in technical and creative progression.
 - Andy Wallace mixing the album.

I guess over time I'm having a harder time accepting MP's complaints of the band getting stale when he seems to have been the primary cause of that staleness.  Obviously, if the music sucks all of this will be moot, but surely everyone has noticed how DT's turned into almost a new band.  The potential in the other four guys for the change MP wanted was clearly in them.  So why didn't he do what a leader is supposed to do and bring it out of them instead of suggesting they go on a hiatus?  In what he considered the band's most dire moment he wanted to run away and hope it would sort itself out?  Bullshit, that's like the opposite of leadership.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on June 20, 2011, 07:12:11 PM
It's as if Mike Portnoy farted and fans started laughing. He started bringing the topic up again and again and because of that, fans keep on laughing. Just when we were about to forget about the farts, he farted in secret and publicly announced it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 20, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
LOL
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: iamtheeviltwin on June 20, 2011, 07:17:57 PM
I thought it was interesting he wrote "...for the sake of not losing my own band."  He still thinks of DT as his band.  I also kinda think he feels more personally betrayed by this then he's letting on (which doesn't seem possible, I know).  Like, if the level of bitterness we're seeing is him trying to restrain himself, then what else is stored away in there that we're not seeing.

This rings true to me.  MP has truely seemed more bitter about this situation than the others.  Even these most recent comments reveal that he felt personal betrayal over this situation, instead of a professional disagreement over the direction of the band.  I wish him luck with his current projects, hopefully he can find a group to play with for a long time to come, I'm not sure if Adrenaline Mob will be that group or not.  

In general though, I will follow MP, but DT is the focus for me and when he announced his leaving I was far more concerned about whether DT continued that if MP did...


(Oh and Chipotle rocks, Aniland once again proves his ignorance  :loser:)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 20, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
If MP's still co-producer of DT11, do any of the following things happen?

Reap', what do any of the things you posted have to do with Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater?

- MP going to JM and saying "Look, I'm sorry about the lyric rule.  It was a dick move.  I want you to feel like we see your lyrics as a positive to the band and not an imposition."

1.  Who says anyone in the band felt it was a dick move?  And besides that, JP has NOT gone to JM and said any of the above, so why are you even making such a scenario up to begin with?

- MP letting JLB record the vocals in Canada with Richard Chycki.

1.  How do we know he wouldn't have?  2.  How do we know James would have wanted to?  3.  How do we know whether or not this is a good thing since we haven't even heard a single note of James' singing yet?  4. Perhaps most importantly, since there was no problem with James' album performances in past anyway, why does it even matter?

- MP saying to the band members "Hey, we should be less of an LTE style jam band and try writing our material with a stronger sense of introspection and personal depth."

Wait...what?  ???  I don't get this.  1.  They aren't an LTE style jam band.  2.  I'm not aware of this fictional conversation happening since MP left.

- MP deciding to rededicate himself to the art and craft of drumming to move his playing up a level in technical and creative progression.

Wait...so...you're saying that MP has somehow "rededicated himself" (whatever that means) after leaving DT, and this is something different and beneficial?  Kinda similar to the last point.  I think you're just making things up now.

- Andy Wallace mixing the album.

No idea.  But why not?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 20, 2011, 07:26:45 PM
While I know it's impossible to say whether or not Reap's points are correct if MP was still in the band I could very well see a business as usual approach instead of some of the steps they've been taking.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on June 20, 2011, 07:39:39 PM
Certainly when you after more than 20 years together choose to have your lawyer do the communications with the other part.
JP feels "heartbroken", bullshit (?)
I don't think using lawyers was in an ill-favored manner. If your the guys of DT, you're dealing with a huge franchise, and there's so much that could go wrong if things go badly. I'd assume using lawyers was to provide a completely profesional atmosphere, so that nothing could go wrong. And I'm sure there's other legal things involved that I'm unaware of, but I'm sure a 20 year band, that has made near millions in their career, can't simply deal with a situation like MP without there being legal aspects involved.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 20, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
If MP's still co-producer of DT11, do any of the following things happen?

Reap', what do any of the things you posted have to do with Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater?

Everything.  MP's leaving Dream Theater was the catalyst of a series of events that fundamentally altered how the band works.  What I'm saying is that if MP didn't leave the band, the process behind ADTOE never would have occurred.

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- MP going to JM and saying "Look, I'm sorry about the lyric rule.  It was a dick move.  I want you to feel like we see your lyrics as a positive to the band and not an imposition."

1.  Who says anyone in the band felt it was a dick move?  And besides that, JP has NOT gone to JM and said any of the above, so why are you even making such a scenario up to begin with?

I threw that scenario out there because I doubt JM would have ever written lyrics for DT again with MP in the band unless something like that happened.

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- MP letting JLB record the vocals in Canada with Richard Chycki.

1.  How do we know he wouldn't have?  2.  How do we know James would have wanted to?  3.  How do we know whether or not this is a good thing since we haven't even heard a single note of James' singing yet?  4. Perhaps most importantly, since there was no problem with James' album performances in past anyway, why does it even matter?

1.  Knowing MP's personality, I'd say there's a zero percent chance it would have ever happened.
2.  Completely fair thing to say.  But I'd have the feeling he wouldn't have wanted to/thought of it because he didn't see a point in trying something new out of malaise, rather than a 100% satisfaction with the previous process.  Otherwise, why would he have wanted to change it?
3.  Also fair.  But I've found the way JLB performs on his most recent solo albums (especially EoP) to be more satisfying than his performances with Dream Theater.  More loose, exuberant, and genuine.
4.  Why would you say there was no problem?  All music listening is subjective, and many people other than myself have wished JLB's performances with DT would be better.  Plus, even if you're saying there's no way for JLB's performance on ADTOE to be better than his previous few (which I find dubious, but okay), you don't think the character of the performance will be different due to the process that went into creating it?

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- MP saying to the band members "Hey, we should be less of an LTE style jam band and try writing our material with a stronger sense of introspection and personal depth."

Wait...what?  ???  I don't get this.  1.  They aren't an LTE style jam band.  2.  I'm not aware of this fictional conversation happening since MP left.

1. It seems to me that, especially on SC and BCSL, they became more like LTE.  The band members even said in interviews that the songs ballooned in length due to accommodating everyone's ideas, which to me is what seems to happen when you focus more on writing in the room as opposed to really sitting down and hashing ideas out (I saw this happen with a friend's band).  On both the CiP video and JR's BCSL making of videos, the mood of the band as they were writing the album felt really... casual, as opposed to what seemed to be a more serious vibe during the ATDOE sessions.

2.  Not this exact conversation, but look at the bandmember's statements.  I think Rudess in particular was the one who said the writing sessions were quieter and they were trying to dig especially deep into themselves on this album.  Those words weren't exchanged necessarily, but they reflect what happened.

Quote
- MP deciding to rededicate himself to the art and craft of drumming to move his playing up a level in technical and creative progression.

Wait...so...you're saying that MP has somehow "rededicated himself" (whatever that means) after leaving DT, and this is something different and beneficial?  Kinda similar to the last point.  I think you're just making things up now.

This was a little unclear.  What I meant is that Mangini constantly practices and is using DT as an opportunity to find a new lease on life creatively.  MP openly admits he doesn't practice, and creatively he's brought very little new spark to DT in a while.  From what I understand, he even said in an interview that he believed his drumming suffered because of the work he put into producing

Quote
- Andy Wallace mixing the album.

No idea.  But why not?

It could happen, but I find it far less likely.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 20, 2011, 10:19:59 PM
I thought it was interesting he wrote "...for the sake of not losing my own band."  He still thinks of DT as his band.  I also kinda think he feels more personally betrayed by this then he's letting on (which doesn't seem possible, I know).  Like, if the level of bitterness we're seeing is him trying to restrain himself, then what else is stored away in there that we're not seeing.

This rings true to me.  MP has truely seemed more bitter about this situation than the others.  Even these most recent comments reveal that he felt personal betrayal over this situation, instead of a professional disagreement over the direction of the band.  I wish him luck with his current projects, hopefully he can find a group to play with for a long time to come, I'm not sure if Adrenaline Mob will be that group or not.  

In general though, I will follow MP, but DT is the focus for me and when he announced his leaving I was far more concerned about whether DT continued that if MP did...


(Oh and Chipotle rocks, Aniland once again proves his ignorance  :loser:)

I'm concerned because of a lyric in Adrenaline Mob about how "I'm far better off than I ever was with you." Uh oh, Mike, you didn't...


I'm not allowed to like Chipotle; best friend works at Moe's.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 21, 2011, 02:51:49 AM
since this thread is going of topic...i thought i would do one as well...

I see mike has got 2 facebook pages.....
where 1 is where we are all at, the musician page ...an than there's the personal one saying this:

This is Mike Portnoy's PERSONAL Facebook page...I've decided to keep it just for legitimate friends & family...
If you are a fan, please come hang out at my official Fan Page:
facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial

but if you use it for friends and family..dont you think they all would know his BIO?
the page continues on his life story.....

anyway...
i didn't see MP spilling his guts on FB and if he did, good for him, he's a human being as well and he also has a breaking point.
probably reading all the dick posts on blabbermouth, on his forum, well maybe he even checked his status on this forum?
he had a .....ok this is it moment and wanted to just say fuck you to everbody who called him a an ass since his departure...
and that's nothing less than mral. he doesn't have to be arodemodel for me... he just have to tell it like it is...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2011, 03:30:35 AM
I don't think Portnoy has handled any of this well, but I'm still going to feel so sorry for him if the new DT album is received really well.

I'll feel bad for him.  But sorry for him?  Not really.  If MP's still co-producer of DT11, do any of the following things happen?:

 - MP going to JM and saying "Look, I'm sorry about the lyric rule.  It was a dick move.  I want you to feel like we see your lyrics as a positive to the band and not an imposition."
 - MP letting JLB record the vocals in Canada with Richard Chycki.
 - MP saying to the band members "Hey, we should be less of an LTE style jam band and try writing our material with a stronger sense of introspection and personal depth."
 - MP deciding to rededicate himself to the art and craft of drumming to move his playing up a level in technical and creative progression.
 - Andy Wallace mixing the album.

I guess over time I'm having a harder time accepting MP's complaints of the band getting stale when he seems to have been the primary cause of that staleness.  Obviously, if the music sucks all of this will be moot, but surely everyone has noticed how DT's turned into almost a new band.  The potential in the other four guys for the change MP wanted was clearly in them.  So why didn't he do what a leader is supposed to do and bring it out of them instead of suggesting they go on a hiatus?  In what he considered the band's most dire moment he wanted to run away and hope it would sort itself out?  Bullshit, that's like the opposite of leadership.
On top of that, I get the impression... well, this is pure conjecture, but we all know that Mike Portnoy isn't the kind of person to do things by halves. To quote the Chaos in Motion doc, he'll want the rock turned up to 10, and the suck and gay turned all the way down to 0. And that was kind of borne out in everything he did in the producer's seat:

The poppy songs were super-poppy (OVM), the creepy songs incredibly creepy, the Musey songs very Musey, the gorgeous bits absolutely sodden with emotion - and given that he had the director's role on the last four albums, I can't help but think a lot of that was down to him. No bad thing of course, he was always pushing the envelope out, and I respect that. We wouldn't have got The Dark Eternal Night if he wasn't sat at the sidelines challenging them to be heavier, louder, etc. (Not that everyone would miss it, but I think it's great, myself.) Point is, he's a very boisterous and exuberant bloke, so I can't help but wonder if we might start to see more of the grey areas again now that he's gone.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 21, 2011, 04:50:27 AM
“In a way, Mike leaving really did show us that there is another side to Dream Theater that maybe we never would have discovered if something like this hadn’t gone down. It’s really opened up a whole new avenue, with us realizing some of our wants and needs and having some of out opinions being fulfilled. If this hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have known all this potential is here.”  - JLB

https://www.bravewords.com/news/163672
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 21, 2011, 05:11:36 AM
“In a way, Mike leaving really did show us that there is another side to Dream Theater that maybe we never would have discovered if something like this hadn’t gone down. It’s really opened up a whole new avenue, with us realizing some of our wants and needs and having some of out opinions being fulfilled. If this hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have known all this potential is here.”  - JLB

https://www.bravewords.com/news/163672

Oh, well thank you for rendering my big long post obsolete.

...I can't help but wonder if we might start to see more of the grey areas again now that he's gone.

When you put it that way, I have to say I'm on board with your theory, which suits me just fine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 21, 2011, 05:20:39 AM
Drea
...I can't help but wonder if we might start to see more of the grey areas again now that he's gone.

When you put it that way, I have to say I'm on board with your theory, which suits me just fine.
Aye - I've always said that the big and bolshy sound has been DT playing to their strengths and they're stronger when they do it, but I think that now DT's a different entity, their strengths may well have shifted. And I'm really digging the prospect of the grey stuff.

That said, I do think that right now, Mike Portnoy's departure is a bit of a fan inkblot test.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 21, 2011, 05:26:28 AM
I thought it was interesting he wrote "...for the sake of not losing my own band."  He still thinks of DT as his band.  I also kinda think he feels more personally betrayed by this then he's letting on (which doesn't seem possible, I know).  Like, if the level of bitterness we're seeing is him trying to restrain himself, then what else is stored away in there that we're not seeing.

This rings true to me.  MP has truely seemed more bitter about this situation than the others.  Even these most recent comments reveal that he felt personal betrayal over this situation, instead of a professional disagreement over the direction of the band.  I wish him luck with his current projects, hopefully he can find a group to play with for a long time to come, I'm not sure if Adrenaline Mob will be that group or not.  

In general though, I will follow MP, but DT is the focus for me and when he announced his leaving I was far more concerned about whether DT continued that if MP did...


(Oh and Chipotle rocks, Aniland once again proves his ignorance  :loser:)

I'm concerned because of a lyric in Adrenaline Mob about how "I'm far better off than I ever was with you." Uh oh, Mike, you didn't...


I'm not allowed to like Chipotle; best friend works at Moe's.

Now this I gotta hear.  Which song?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on June 21, 2011, 11:58:38 AM
“In a way, Mike leaving really did show us that there is another side to Dream Theater that maybe we never would have discovered if something like this hadn’t gone down. It’s really opened up a whole new avenue, with us realizing some of our wants and needs and having some of out opinions being fulfilled. If this hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have known all this potential is here.”  - JLB

https://www.bravewords.com/news/163672

Very interesting to read  :yarr
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 21, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
I think it's about time DT releases a trailer for ADTOE
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: perfey on June 21, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
“In a way, Mike leaving really did show us that there is another side to Dream Theater that maybe we never would have discovered if something like this hadn’t gone down. It’s really opened up a whole new avenue, with us realizing some of our wants and needs and having some of out opinions being fulfilled. If this hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have known all this potential is here.”  - JLB

https://www.bravewords.com/news/163672

Very interesting to read  :yarr
Indeed.

I really liked what JLB had to say in this interview, it really excites me for the new album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 21, 2011, 05:16:31 PM
Why even reply to those comments on Facebook.  Why would he care?

I thought it was interesting he wrote "...for the sake of not losing my own band."  He still thinks of DT as his band.  I also kinda think he feels more personally betrayed by this then he's letting on (which doesn't seem possible, I know).  Like, if the level of bitterness we're seeing is him trying to restrain himself, then what else is stored away in there that we're not seeing.
I think he's tired of people making false accusations about him, and he was just defending himself. A perfectly valid attitude IMO.

I thought it was interesting he wrote "...for the sake of not losing my own band."  He still thinks of DT as his band.
 What I understand is that at that moment, when he felt he had a fair chance to rejoin, he still thought DT was his band.

I threw that scenario out there because I doubt JM would have ever written lyrics for DT again with MP in the band unless something like that happened.

Wow, do people still write $#¡t stuff like this? Amazing. You seem to forget that Myung said he would write lyrics again in October 2009, almost 1 year before Mike left. I'm not an MP fanboy,and don't take this personal (you just gave me a perfect example) it's just that I can't stand people disregarding facts and making things up just to speak bullshit about cool guys like MP. And I think it's poeple with attitudes like yours, who for some reason seem to have a personal animosity against someone the've never met who make him write his FB posts.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 21, 2011, 05:50:58 PM
I think he's tired of people making false accusations about him, and he was just defending himself. A perfectly valid attitude IMO.

But why is he defending himself if the information is already out there? The frequency at which he has to explain himself is akin to that of that one person who out loud goes "well I didn't want to say this but..." at meetings and the like. Who knows if there even was any real provocations but every time things seem to die down to some level of apathy another new quote like this comes across and MP's choice of words, as emotionally driven as they are, almost always cast him in a negative light. He's becoming his own worst enemy. And based on the DT side of the story I don't see where there are any false accusations.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on June 21, 2011, 06:47:44 PM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 21, 2011, 06:53:51 PM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 21, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
I think he's tired of people making false accusations about him, and he was just defending himself. A perfectly valid attitude IMO.

But why is he defending himself if the information is already out there? The frequency at which he has to explain himself is akin to that of that one person who out loud goes "well I didn't want to say this but..." at meetings and the like. Who knows if there even was any real provocations but every time things seem to die down to some level of apathy another new quote like this comes across and MP's choice of words, as emotionally driven as they are, almost always cast him in a negative light. He's becoming his own worst enemy. And based on the DT side of the story I don't see where there are any false accusations.
Well, I see how someone could see it the way you do, it's a perfectly valid position. It's just that I feel many people don't like him and make up some stuff just to put him in a negative light while saying they don't really mean to hurt him. Just read this forum and you'll find lots of posts like "I can't prove it, but I'm sure Mike told Eddie who the new drummer is..." or "I have no evidence of this, but I can see Mike shutting down JM and not giving him any space, he was guilty of James not feeling well in the band", or "I don't really know him but it wouldn't surprise me if MP wanted DT to fail to prove he's right",or "I like Mike but it was his fault that DT's music grew stale", etc., basically blaming him for everything they think DT did wrong; and those come out as low blows and cheap shots IMO. I admit he might be only making the situation worse, but if I was him I would be tired of all that crap, too.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 21, 2011, 10:40:18 PM
Totally agree.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 21, 2011, 10:41:31 PM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Martinman300 on June 22, 2011, 01:20:04 AM
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What did he say?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 22, 2011, 02:45:09 AM
I think he's tired of people making false accusations about him, and he was just defending himself. A perfectly valid attitude IMO.

But why is he defending himself if the information is already out there? The frequency at which he has to explain himself is akin to that of that one person who out loud goes "well I didn't want to say this but..." at meetings and the like. Who knows if there even was any real provocations but every time things seem to die down to some level of apathy another new quote like this comes across and MP's choice of words, as emotionally driven as they are, almost always cast him in a negative light. He's becoming his own worst enemy. And based on the DT side of the story I don't see where there are any false accusations.
Well, I see how someone could see it the way you do, it's a perfectly valid position. It's just that I feel many people don't like him and make up some stuff just to put him in a negative light while saying they don't really mean to hurt him. Just read this forum and you'll find lots of posts like "I can't prove it, but I'm sure Mike told Eddie who the new drummer is..." or "I have no evidence of this, but I can see Mike shutting down JM and not giving him any space, he was guilty of James not feeling well in the band", or "I don't really know him but it wouldn't surprise me if MP wanted DT to fail to prove he's right",or "I like Mike but it was his fault that DT's music grew stale", etc., basically blaming him for everything they think DT did wrong; and those come out as low blows and cheap shots IMO. I admit he might be only making the situation worse, but if I was him I would be tired of all that crap, too.
In fairness, while you're right inasmuch as the amount of speculation is ridiculous, and MP is being made a pariah for countless things that there's no evidence he was involved in... I think there's probably an element of truth to "it was his fault that DT's music grew stale." When Mike was the band leader, although he did eventually recognise the need to make a change, he obstinately refused to change anything about the way they worked. JM suggested jamming like when they were kids and he shot it down, he refused to work with a producer (not changed, but JP was at least open to it), he insisted on keeping the writing room mentality rather than letting demos through the net, he'd work with the same people each time... he wasn't particularly doing much to get the band doing anything new.

JLB sort of backs this up, too...

“In a way, Mike leaving really did show us that there is another side to Dream Theater that maybe we never would have discovered if something like this hadn’t gone down. It’s really opened up a whole new avenue, with us realizing some of our wants and needs and having some of our opinions being fulfilled. If this hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have known all this potential is here.”

I agree about errant speculation, but at the same time, I think the more substantiated evaluations are kind of fair game.



Not that I think DT's music had much chance to go stale, anyway, but over the last three albums we were starting to see patterns emerge. BCSL didn't have much new to say, and I was hoping against hope about a year ago that they'd do something to change it up - so while he was the showrunner for my favourite era of my favourite band ever, I can't say I'm particularly sad MP's gone. He left at the right time. Let Petrucci have a go now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 22, 2011, 04:51:56 AM
...and even then, they had their lawyers respond to me...they didnt even do it themselves!!
   

Its important to note that the guys went through this before in '97 when MP threatened to quit then, so maybe enough was enough by this point.  Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Or did they see MP's quitting as another control tactic, and did not want to fall for it?  Why else quit the band if he didn't really want to lose it:

"....and then at the end of October, after 6 weeks of reflection, I was willing to do it just for the sake of not losing my own band . . ."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 22, 2011, 04:58:43 AM
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What did he say?
Why do you think that asking this is a good idea?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on June 22, 2011, 05:03:58 AM
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What did he say?
Why do you think that asking this is a good idea?
I'm interested, too, and don't know why it wouldn't be a good idea.

"He's banned because he said something wrong but I'll not say what it was"
vs.
"He's banned because he said: $foo"

Compare. And take into consideration that we're regular members who can also be potentially banned, so specific examples of trespasses can give us a better idea of what to rather avoid.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Progrev86 on June 22, 2011, 05:51:36 AM
 ;D
Hello to you all!!!
Im from Greece!!I m new here...
2 august dream theater will be here!!Lets hope for 1 or 2 songs from the new album!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 22, 2011, 06:04:01 AM
;D
Hello to you all!!!
Im from Greece!!I m new here...
2 august dream theater will be here!!Lets hope for 1 or 2 songs from the new album!!

Hi and welcome :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on June 22, 2011, 07:13:33 AM
;D
Hello to you all!!!
Im from Greece!!I m new here...
2 august dream theater will be here!!Lets hope for 1 or 2 songs from the new album!!

Good day to you, new DTForumer, and welcome!

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikostheater on June 22, 2011, 07:56:03 AM
;D
Hello to you all!!!
Im from Greece!!I m new here...
2 august dream theater will be here!!Lets hope for 1 or 2 songs from the new album!!
Hello and welcome!
Happy to see another Greek here!
 :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on June 22, 2011, 09:03:56 AM
Welcome man! See you in Athens. 08/02 is too far!!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 22, 2011, 09:09:28 AM
So...12 days until the tour starts...any Italian fans here going to the Rome show?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 22, 2011, 09:36:47 AM
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Yes, I'm an ass.  And you're now banned.  See you later.

What did he say?
Why do you think that asking this is a good idea?
I'm interested, too, and don't know why it wouldn't be a good idea.

"He's banned because he said something wrong but I'll not say what it was"
vs.
"He's banned because he said: $foo"

Compare. And take into consideration that we're regular members who can also be potentially banned, so specific examples of trespasses can give us a better idea of what to rather avoid.
He posted a lot of off-topic stuff, then bosky moved his off-topic posts, then Aniland got mad and directed a profanity-laden post at bosky.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
He posted a lot of off-topic stuff, which he was warned about for being off-topic, then bosky moved his off-topic posts because people kept responding off topic, then Aniland got mad and directed a profanity-laden post at bosky.

That's correct as far as the reason for the ban.  I edited slightly to include more of the factual chain of events.

But I'll also add that why mod decisions are made is also off topic (in addition to not really being anyone else's business anyway).  So let's get back to the topic, shall we?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emtee on June 22, 2011, 09:58:19 AM
Should be artwork soon.
Should be new official DT site soon.
Maybe track lengths and hopefully a teaser and a single.


Sept will be a big music month with Opeth, DT,  Matheos/Arch. When 3 highly anticipated albums are released so
close together it's sometimes difficult to give proper attention to them all...but I'll damn sure try  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on June 22, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
So 12 days until we hear new material, if they don't release the single before then!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 22, 2011, 10:23:26 AM
Should be artwork soon.
Should be new official DT site soon.
Maybe track lengths and hopefully a teaser and a single.


Sept will be a big music month with Opeth, DT,  Matheos/Arch. When 3 highly anticipated albums are released so
close together it's sometimes difficult to give proper attention to them all...but I'll damn sure try  :tup
The new DT site is traditionally updated on the week of release, I think.

New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2011, 10:25:20 AM
Should be new official DT site soon.

Judging from past history, probably not until a little after release date, unless Itchy suddenly becomes motivated to actually do his job.

So 12 days until we hear new material, if they don't release the single before then!

I think a single before then is unlikely.  But you never know.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 22, 2011, 10:30:50 AM
Should be new official DT site soon.

Judging from past history, probably not until a little after release date, unless Itchy suddenly becomes motivated to actually do his job.

So 12 days until we hear new material, if they don't release the single before then!

I think a single before then is unlikely.  But you never know.

Hey Bosk, since I'm kinda still a new member, do you change the skin of DTF every time a new albums comes out?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: snapple on June 22, 2011, 10:31:22 AM
Should be new official DT site soon.

Judging from past history, probably not until a little after release date, unless Itchy suddenly becomes motivated to actually do his job.

So 12 days until we hear new material, if they don't release the single before then!

I think a single before then is unlikely.  But you never know.


Hoping to hear a single before then. Would concert bootlegs be considered "leaks"?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2011, 10:38:08 AM
Hey Bosk, since I'm kinda still a new member, do you change the skin of DTF every time a new albums comes out?

Yes, we try to stay current.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2011, 10:39:29 AM
Hoping to hear a single before then. Would concert bootlegs be considered "leaks"?

No.  As in the past, if the band comes out and says that they feel strongly that certain performances not be shared, I will take that into consideration.  But generally speaking, if someone posts something from a show, that's fine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on June 22, 2011, 10:42:52 AM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 22, 2011, 12:03:31 PM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?

DT hasn't said anything about it; they're discussing the idea that it should come out soon.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 22, 2011, 12:04:40 PM
Hoping to hear a single before then. Would concert bootlegs be considered "leaks"?

No.  As in the past, if the band comes out and says that they feel strongly that certain performances not be shared, I will take that into consideration.  But generally speaking, if someone posts something from a show, that's fine.

So the first we hear one of the new songs might be live?  That's an interesting change.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 22, 2011, 12:07:40 PM
Hoping to hear a single before then. Would concert bootlegs be considered "leaks"?

No.  As in the past, if the band comes out and says that they feel strongly that certain performances not be shared, I will take that into consideration.  But generally speaking, if someone posts something from a show, that's fine.

So the first we hear one of the new songs might be live?  That's an interesting change.
I hope they will relase single in next few days and play it live on this tour
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 22, 2011, 12:17:55 PM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?
Well, it's official that the album will have artwork.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 22, 2011, 12:19:49 PM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?
Well, it's official that the album will have artwork.

Unless there's a dramatic turn of events.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 22, 2011, 12:21:42 PM
Well, it's official that the album will have artwork.

Unless there's a dramatic turn of events.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 22, 2011, 12:23:33 PM
Lol! Well A dramatic turn of events would be that ADTOE doesn't really exist...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 22, 2011, 12:53:03 PM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?
Well, it's official that the album will have artwork.

Unless there's a dramatic turn of events.

(https://i55.tinypic.com/p99uv.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 22, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
(https://i55.tinypic.com/p99uv.jpg)

Maybe I'm weird, but change "Dream Theater" to the DT font and throw the Majesty symbol on there somewhere and I'd actually kinda like it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 22, 2011, 01:28:20 PM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?
Well, it's official that the album will have artwork.

Unless there's a dramatic turn of events.

 :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 22, 2011, 01:29:42 PM
Maybe I'm weird, but change "Dream Theater" to the DT font and throw the Majesty symbol on there somewhere and I'd actually kinda like it.
I will admit, though I made it as a joke, I do think that it wouldn't be a bad cover.

Edit: Just to see what it would look like;

(https://i54.tinypic.com/2q176o2.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 22, 2011, 02:16:11 PM
 :rollin

Maybe I'm biased, but that last one actually does look pretty cool to me, in a simple/elegant sort of way.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 22, 2011, 02:19:04 PM
than they should call it...
beatles..the white album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 22, 2011, 02:25:58 PM
But that title's already tak- oh, I see what you did there.  Cle-ver!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 22, 2011, 03:30:12 PM
Maybe I'm weird, but change "Dream Theater" to the DT font and throw the Majesty symbol on there somewhere and I'd actually kinda like it.
I will admit, though I made it as a joke, I do think that it wouldn't be a bad cover.

Edit: Just to see what it would look like;

(https://i54.tinypic.com/2q176o2.jpg)

That's actually very awesome. If you can, try one with this blue (fading down lighter perhaps) - with white font/text:

(https://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/FretMuppet/DT11.png)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 22, 2011, 03:51:02 PM
(https://i56.tinypic.com/t8677p.jpg)

It could probably be polished up a bit if someone else wants to take a stab at it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 22, 2011, 03:55:56 PM
I liked the "white album" version better. This one really looks too much like

(https://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/5/9/9/159991.jpg)

or

https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7349/frontfn9.jpg (https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7349/frontfn9.jpg)  (which is awsome nonetheless)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 22, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
(https://i56.tinypic.com/t8677p.jpg)

It could probably be polished up a bit if someone else wants to take a stab at it.


Outstanding!! Thanks for doing that. I think it looks great. The b/w is too obvious and that's a nice shade of blue.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 22, 2011, 04:37:26 PM
New artwork soon, though. Really looking forward to that.

It's official?
Well, it's official that the album will have artwork.

Unless there's a dramatic turn of events.
Oy vey.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
Hoping to hear a single before then. Would concert bootlegs be considered "leaks"?

No.  As in the past, if the band comes out and says that they feel strongly that certain performances not be shared, I will take that into consideration.  But generally speaking, if someone posts something from a show, that's fine.

So the first we hear one of the new songs might be live?  That's an interesting change.

Yes, but keep in mind that the September release date is 3 months later than what they had for BCSL.  It's too early for a single. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 22, 2011, 05:41:11 PM
(https://i56.tinypic.com/t8677p.jpg)

It could probably be polished up a bit if someone else wants to take a stab at it.


That's really cool man.  Nice job.

[White version]

Sorry, I didn't see this one until now.  Thank you.  Also a cool cover.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: antigoon on June 22, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
Not that it would ever happen but I'd love to see them drop the font.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 22, 2011, 07:59:19 PM
Outstanding!! Thanks for doing that. I think it looks great. The b/w is too obvious and that's a nice shade of blue.

(https://*snip*)

It could probably be polished up a bit if someone else wants to take a stab at it.


That's really cool man.  Nice job.

[White version]

Sorry, I didn't see this one until now.  Thank you.  Also a cool cover.

Thanks. I have to say, I like both of them more than I thought I would. Something more simple like these would work really well as a special edition cover or something.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream_Theater01 on June 22, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
So the actual artwork is going to be revealed soon?  When can we expect more details, and maybe a single?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 22, 2011, 10:40:10 PM
So the actual artwork is going to be revealed soon?  When can we expect more details, and maybe a single?

Nothing has been announced. Everything being discussed is just speculation.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 23, 2011, 03:20:16 AM
Yeah - by "soon," we really mean "in the next two months." It's the next phase, though, and it usually happens a couple of months before the album's release, so it's approaching due.

Incidentally, weird little story, but I never got to tell it at the time, and now its so far into the past that it's no longer an issue - I got to see the art and the title of the last album a couple of weeks in advance. You know when you make a sort of "serendipitous" discovery... inasmuch as, you convince yourself that you're not looking to do X thing, so it's not your fault if it happens, but you go in knowing there's a definite chance?

I dug around through Hugh Syme's portfolios in advance of the last album, telling myself that I was just having a look at his art to get an idea of the kinda stuff he might be doing. Might've stumbled across a big moon-encrusted piece titled "DREAM THEATER - Black Clouds & Silver Linings" a couple of weeks before they'd announced even the title.

Reported it to Weymolith off of MP.com like a good little fan, 'cause frankly I didn't want to cause Mike Portnoy another headache. He's big on reveals, and I surely wouldn't be the last enterprising little sneak to stumble across it. 'Course, I've got a hunch they're possibly not using Hugh Syme again 'cause that seemed to be Mike Portnoy's little contact - but yeah, just quite exciting to think that there's a chance that, somewhere, the artwork to ADToE is kicking about, all pristine and new.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: weirdo on June 23, 2011, 05:17:18 AM
This may be a bit offtopic, but I was reading the forum on page 19 I think and I learned that Petrucci has a solo album of which I have never heard before. And thats probably because I can't find it from the dreamtheater.net -> side projects thingy! I mean thats where I discovered LTE and Transatlantic for the first time.... The same thing applies to Notes on a dream and when the keyboard breaks....

How can this be?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: weirdo on June 23, 2011, 05:19:06 AM

How can this be?

An accidental ToT reference xD
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 23, 2011, 05:22:39 AM

How can this be?

An accidental ToT reference xD

Why is he the chosen one?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dillster22 on June 23, 2011, 06:27:11 AM

How can this be?

An accidental ToT reference xD

Why is he the chosen one?

Saint gone astray
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: weirdo on June 23, 2011, 07:02:02 AM
With a scepter and a... cmon cut it out :D

Any other side projects I should know about? I was just thinking that what if there is a Myung solo album Im not aware of or something :P... Bassnotes on a dream? It could show you how the bass notes of some DT songs would sound if you could actually hear them.. :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 23, 2011, 07:47:31 AM
(https://static.ow.ly/photos/original/dlO9.jpg)

"With John Petrucci after a long day rehearsing"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 23, 2011, 09:48:16 AM
I like how Jordan's right eye is 53% larger and 2 inches higher than it should.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 23, 2011, 09:49:28 AM
I feel like they're judging us.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 23, 2011, 09:52:43 AM
I feel like they're judging us.
Not us.  Just you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 23, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
I feel like they're judging us.
Not us.  Just you.
I'd love it if everyone else was seeing a picture of them beaming broadly after a successful day of rehearsing, while I've got them leering out at me through my laptop like I've just killed their bassist.

(Disclaimer: I really wouldn't.)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on June 23, 2011, 12:20:02 PM
From Mike Mangini:

Quote

It took a week to organize and set up the equipment for the upcoming tour. I've not seen that much equipment in a building for one band ever! We tried the songs a bit and playing them with the guys rather than the CD's was so much fun I can't explain it :):)

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: iamtheeviltwin on June 23, 2011, 12:28:59 PM
Quote

It took a week to organize and set up the equipment for the upcoming tour. I've not seen that much equipment in a building for one band ever! We tried the songs a bit and playing them with the guys rather than the CD's was so much fun I can't explain it :):)


I can't wait for the first bootlegs of the European tour...Mangini really seems like he will be on fire for this...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 23, 2011, 12:30:52 PM
Quote

It took a week to organize and set up the equipment for the upcoming tour. I've not seen that much equipment in a building for one band ever! We tried the songs a bit and playing them with the guys rather than the CD's was so much fun I can't explain it :):)


I can't wait for the first bootlegs of the European tour...Mangini really seems like he will be on fire for this...
I can't wait to hear Mangini and JLB :hefdaddy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on June 23, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
I feel like they're judging us.
Not us.  Just you.
A dream within a dream.... theater.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 23, 2011, 12:46:38 PM
I feel like they're judging us.
Not us.  Just you.
A dream within a dream.... theater.

holy shit
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Apricot on June 23, 2011, 01:23:36 PM
With the last album, when I believe they played AROP before the release, was the footage/audio quality of them playing it decent?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 23, 2011, 01:27:54 PM
With the last album, when I believe they played AROP before the release, was the footage/audio quality of them playing it decent?
They played AROP before the album's release, but the single was released as a free download before the tour started. So it never really factored into it.

Just search YouTube for any bootlegs of recordings, though. With any recording of a live gig, some are brilliant, some are rubbish. Pot luck. FWIW, though, DT fans are pretty ardent bootleggers. Very thorough. I'm sure a fairly-good one would turn up sooner or later.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 23, 2011, 01:30:15 PM
Bootlegs will appear. Probably more than ever before, considering there are no actual bootlegs that feature DT with Mike Mangini on drums. These are not just live shows being taped, it's something very fresh and new.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on June 23, 2011, 03:35:12 PM
Speaking about the music in the new album...
When they released the drummer audition, people were saying, ''this could be potential riffs from the new album'', and I was thinking ''Oh, c'mon... they haven't even entered the studio (at the time of the recording)''
But, I don't know, this little riff caught my attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vaDfcKzLbY
Got to minutes 08:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677UAyq4Jig&feature=related
Go to minute 2:10

The first video is from the auditions (Recorded last year), and the second one is from Tcelectronics... early january...

Maybe...  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 23, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
Speaking about the music in the new album...
When they released the drummer audition, people were saying, ''this could be potential riffs from the new album'', and I was thinking ''Oh, c'mon... they haven't even entered the studio (at the time of the recording)''
But, I don't know, this little riff caught my attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vaDfcKzLbY
Got to minutes 08:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677UAyq4Jig&feature=related
Go to minute 2:10

The first video is from the auditions (Recorded last year), and the second one is from Tcelectronics... early january...

Maybe...  :metal

Very, very nice find.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 23, 2011, 04:16:59 PM
Speaking about the music in the new album...
When they released the drummer audition, people were saying, ''this could be potential riffs from the new album'', and I was thinking ''Oh, c'mon... they haven't even entered the studio (at the time of the recording)''
But, I don't know, this little riff caught my attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vaDfcKzLbY
Got to minutes 08:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677UAyq4Jig&feature=related
Go to minute 2:10

The first video is from the auditions (Recorded last year), and the second one is from Tcelectronics... early january...

Maybe...  :metal

Very, very nice find.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: XianL on June 23, 2011, 05:15:31 PM
AMUGUD. This is what I get for not hanging around on DTF :omg:

So excited :D :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 23, 2011, 06:00:21 PM
Agreed, nice find there.

That's some tasty riffage.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 23, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
Agreed, nice find there.

That's some tasty riffage.
Indeed, it is. I'm really hoping that riff is somewhere on the new album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 24, 2011, 06:23:56 AM
If those riffs are in the album it must be one hell of an album  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MajorMatt on June 24, 2011, 06:53:30 AM
I also love the riff at the start of this video they play with Mangini, its groovin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2YLxBMoshg
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: XianL on June 24, 2011, 07:21:48 AM
Delicious, I love both sections.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 24, 2011, 07:36:30 AM
Nice :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nekov on June 24, 2011, 01:49:43 PM
With a scepter and a... cmon cut it out :D

Any other side projects I should know about? I was just thinking that what if there is a Myung solo album Im not aware of or something :P... Bassnotes on a dream? It could show you how the bass notes of some DT songs would sound if you could actually hear them.. :D

You have Explorers Club featuring JP and JLB. That one doesn't show up in there either.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nekov on June 24, 2011, 02:47:59 PM
I was just listening to Solitary Shell and thought it would be really nice if JP played some acoustic guitar in one of the songs from the new album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JayOctavarium on June 24, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
I was just listening to Solitary Shell and thought it would be really nice if JP played some acoustic guitar in one of the songs from the new album.

or an all acoustic song... piano... acousitic guitar... fretless bass... oh yeeaaa
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on June 24, 2011, 04:20:39 PM
Speaking about the music in the new album...
When they released the drummer audition, people were saying, ''this could be potential riffs from the new album'', and I was thinking ''Oh, c'mon... they haven't even entered the studio (at the time of the recording)''
But, I don't know, this little riff caught my attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vaDfcKzLbY
Got to minutes 08:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677UAyq4Jig&feature=related
Go to minute 2:10

The first video is from the auditions (Recorded last year), and the second one is from Tcelectronics... early january...

Maybe...  :metal
JP obviously likes the riff if he's played it on two seperate videos. I can't see why he wouldn't want to put it on the album if he thinks its good.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: weirdo on June 25, 2011, 01:06:42 AM
With a scepter and a... cmon cut it out :D

Any other side projects I should know about? I was just thinking that what if there is a Myung solo album Im not aware of or something :P... Bassnotes on a dream? It could show you how the bass notes of some DT songs would sound if you could actually hear them.. :D

You have Explorers Club featuring JP and JLB. That one doesn't show up in there either.


Wow thank you! Never heard of it :O
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on June 25, 2011, 04:40:54 AM
Here's some new photos of DT from Rick Wenner at https://rickwenner.com/index.html#slideshow/portfolio/music?id=13

(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater.jpg)

(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater_jameslabrie.jpg)

(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater_jordanrudess.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 25, 2011, 04:51:48 AM
Cool! Thanks :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 25, 2011, 05:07:37 AM
Awesome.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 25, 2011, 05:10:50 AM
Very cool....James hair now looks pretty cool now it's grown a bit!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 25, 2011, 05:15:48 AM
Love the tough guy poses. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 25, 2011, 05:56:55 AM
Here's some new photos of DT from Rick Wenner at https://rickwenner.com/index.html#slideshow/portfolio/music?id=13

(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater.jpg)

Don't they look unified?

Might be purely me projecting onto it, but it's looks more "even" than usual. James LaBrie at the front, John Petrucci watching on from the sidelines...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 25, 2011, 06:25:11 AM
Wooooooah look at that tricep
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 25, 2011, 06:29:17 AM
Wooooooah look at that tricep
:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 25, 2011, 07:10:22 AM
JM in a button up???

*faint*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 25, 2011, 07:36:12 AM
Here's some new photos of DT from Rick Wenner at https://rickwenner.com/index.html#slideshow/portfolio/music?id=13

(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater.jpg)

Don't they look unified?

Might be purely me projecting onto it, but it's looks more "even" than usual. James LaBrie at the front, John Petrucci watching on from the sidelines...

I agree, They do look unified :)

I love that sneaky smirk that lurks in JLBs face too :D he seems... content.

In other opinions, seems as though they're revamping the BC&SL theme for this album (dark, black, grey)... since I assume these are promo pictures? Maybe an "undo, do-over" approach?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 25, 2011, 07:55:46 AM
haha badasses  :laugh:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wolfking on June 25, 2011, 08:05:13 AM
That's simply a really great picture!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 25, 2011, 08:23:16 AM
lol they're like a gang that's not to be messed with.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 25, 2011, 08:24:10 AM
In other opinions, seems as though they're revamping the BC&SL theme for this album (dark, black, grey)... since I assume these are promo pictures? Maybe an "undo, do-over" approach?
It feels like there is more "color" in these ones than the BC&SL pics. It just feels more fresh. Well, that may be because they are pretty fresh but I don't know how to describe it.. they feel more orange.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Apricot on June 25, 2011, 08:33:04 AM
I can't be the only one to think that James has changed a lot in appaearance in the past few years. I don't mean just his hair, but his eyes look completely different. i can't see any resemblance to his 'old eyes'.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 25, 2011, 08:33:31 AM
they feel more orange.

Guido Theater
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on June 25, 2011, 08:37:26 AM
IMHO, these have nothing to do with the BC&SL promo pics... I feel like they're giving a fresh image to the guys, not explaining what direction the new album has taken.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 25, 2011, 08:39:07 AM
they feel more orange.

Guido Theater

When life gives you oranges, you make orange frogs
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 25, 2011, 08:56:17 AM
In other opinions, seems as though they're revamping the BC&SL theme for this album (dark, black, grey)... since I assume these are promo pictures? Maybe an "undo, do-over" approach?
It feels like there is more "color" in these ones than the BC&SL pics. It just feels more fresh. Well, that may be because they are pretty fresh but I don't know how to describe it.. they feel more orange.

There is waaaay  more color in this one.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 25, 2011, 09:01:39 AM
they feel more orange.

Guido Theater

When life gives you oranges, you make orange frogs

When life gives you darklords, you make voodoo dolls
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Post by: antigoon on June 25, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
one of the most normal band pics they've had in a while.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 25, 2011, 09:19:32 AM
I'm glad they didn't go the BCSL path again. This is great.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 25, 2011, 09:20:21 AM
they feel more orange.

Guido Theater

When life gives you oranges, you make orange frogs

When life gives you darklords, you make voodoo dolls
When life gives you Jamesmen, you rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Adami on June 25, 2011, 09:26:17 AM
When life gives you Hefdaddy, life is good. :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 25, 2011, 09:55:06 AM
:djhef:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Storm Rider on June 25, 2011, 10:28:49 AM
Finally normal band photo. On BC&SL they looked like some death/gothic/black metal band. Hopefully that won't happen again.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 25, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
Finally normal band photo. On BC&SL they looked like some death/gothic/black metal band. Hopefully that won't happen again.

They looked like the walking dead. All white and pasty. Now they have some color again! Life has been breathed back into DT!



.... okay bit of an overstatement maybe lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Storm Rider on June 25, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
Finally normal band photo. On BC&SL they looked like some death/gothic/black metal band. Hopefully that won't happen again.

They looked like the walking dead.
:D ;D damn straight!

And btw when are we gonna get the album cover? I mean the tour starts next week and we still haven't got nothin'.  ???
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Post by: chrisbDTM on June 25, 2011, 10:54:24 AM
awesome.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 25, 2011, 10:54:44 AM
Finally normal band photo. On BC&SL they looked like some death/gothic/black metal band. Hopefully that won't happen again.

They looked like the walking dead. All white and pasty. Now they have some color again! Life has been breathed back into DT!



.... okay bit of an overstatement maybe lol

THEMETAPHOR!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 25, 2011, 10:56:15 AM
feeling a little weird that i might be replacing my emma watson background with the band picture  :rollin
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Post by: abydos on June 25, 2011, 10:57:28 AM
You should feel weird for having an Emma Watson background in the first place.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 25, 2011, 10:58:27 AM
You should feel weird for having an Emma Watson background in the first place.

Why? ???
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheMadgician on June 25, 2011, 10:59:45 AM
Don't listen to him. Having an Emma Watson background is beyond understandable.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 25, 2011, 11:04:50 AM
Haters gonna hate.

I wonder when the other individual member shots are gonna be released
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 25, 2011, 11:18:29 AM
feeling a little weird that i might be replacing my emma watson background with the band picture  :rollin
Likewise, 'cept Karen Gillan for James LaBrie.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 25, 2011, 12:32:08 PM
Now that's a tad more questionable imo.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 25, 2011, 01:44:24 PM
Speaking of wallpapers...I had a little play about in Photoshop.

https://i56.tinypic.com/est9j7.jpg

..if this fits your resolution then you can use it!
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Post by: wasteland on June 25, 2011, 01:58:16 PM
Speaking of wallpapers...I had a little play about in Photoshop.

https://i56.tinypic.com/est9j7.jpg

..if this fits your resolution then you can use it!


Hey, this is very cool!  :tup
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Post by: tri.ad on June 25, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
I like it. :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 25, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
Speaking of wallpapers...I had a little play about in Photoshop.

https://i56.tinypic.com/est9j7.jpg

..if this fits your resolution then you can use it!

Awesome!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 25, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
These band pics are definitely a huge improvement over the BC&SL ones. They definitely suit the band more.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on June 25, 2011, 03:15:29 PM
They don't look like Gothic famous people, they look like real musicians now.
Jordan's glasses look awesome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 25, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Speaking of wallpapers...I had a little play about in Photoshop.

https://i56.tinypic.com/est9j7.jpg

..if this fits your resolution then you can use it!

It is like they are omnipotent beings watching us from the far reaches of the universe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: farsight on June 25, 2011, 04:25:43 PM
great pictures, mangini fits right in. :tup
petrucci's arms are huge! :heart  :biggrin:
is it known how much the dude can bench press?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 25, 2011, 04:32:24 PM
great pictures, mangini fits right in. :tup
petrucci's arms are huge! :heart  :biggrin:
is it known how much the dude can bench press?

Last time they played in Rome a dude shouted: "How much can you lift on the bench press?" He laughed and gestured trying hard to lift his JPX.  :lol

EDIT: wait, at the time there was no JPX yet :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 25, 2011, 09:12:26 PM
I think he had a tweet once that said something about squatting 300.

And here it is
https://twitter.com/#!/JPetrucci/status/24409498235 (https://twitter.com/#!/JPetrucci/status/24409498235)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on June 26, 2011, 12:05:54 AM
I think he had a tweet once that said something about squatting 300.

And here it is
https://twitter.com/#!/JPetrucci/status/24409498235 (https://twitter.com/#!/JPetrucci/status/24409498235)

Is that a lot? I mean, I can't even lift my own weight... I'm pretty weak  :-\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 26, 2011, 12:28:55 AM
Yes 300 pounds is a lot
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 26, 2011, 04:31:49 AM
It's not that much for a squat.  More impressive as a bench press.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 26, 2011, 12:17:36 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events

Anyone actually saw them lengths confirmed yet?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on June 26, 2011, 12:23:08 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events

Anyone actually saw them lengths confirmed yet?

Probably fake.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on June 26, 2011, 12:25:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events

Anyone actually saw them lengths confirmed yet?

I guess it's some kind of joke ???
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 26, 2011, 12:26:44 PM
Could be a fake edit, could be real. Won't know until we hear from the horse's mouth.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 26, 2011, 12:28:45 PM
I hope it's not the longest song, if indeed true!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 26, 2011, 12:32:09 PM
I'm sure it's fake. I guess the mastering process of the album isn't done yet, and my thought is that we'll get to know the track lengths when it's finished (or when the first promotion copies have been sent out, as it was the case with BCASL).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on June 26, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
It's not that much for a squat.  More impressive as a bench press.

Then again, for his age and weight (190??), it's a pretty good squat.  As in, out of non-athletes who go to the gym at that age, it's probably top 5%.  Then again, top 1% is like 500 pounds... bottom 75% is 0 (they don't squat at all).  Don't mean to go off topic more than this post; I just came back from squatting at the gym, so I had to comment!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 26, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
It won't be true. Whoever did that edit didn't cite a source, so it's almost certainly BS.

Incidentally, I love the fact that the page has two references from DTF. That's badass!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on June 26, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
If anyone knows the process of mixing and mastering, i was wondering how long could it take until the album is finished.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 26, 2011, 12:36:15 PM
Well, the mixing is probably done by now, and regarding the course of the last albums' creation, my guess is that mastering the album will take 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 26, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
I don't like the silence which is now around the ADTOE, I miss for something special now ;) I want a single, or some artwork, or official length of songs or anything. Come on DT!! :corn :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on June 26, 2011, 01:02:46 PM
Τhanks for the info. The question is if DT will play any new songs on the first tour dates, given that the release of a single in the next days seems unlikely if the mastering is not done yet.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on June 26, 2011, 01:03:04 PM
If anyone knows the process of mixing and mastering, i was wondering how long could it take until the album is finished.

Well mixing has to be done by now, now mastering is basically about details on EQing gain levels and some other complex stuff like dynamics, aaaaaand since we are talking about DT songs it might TAKE around 4 or 5 weeks, rough numbers of course.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 26, 2011, 01:22:03 PM
Of course the times are fake. One of them is 6:66.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 26, 2011, 01:23:37 PM
Of course the times are fake. One of them is 6:66.
Could be true :P
though it probably isn't
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 26, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
Of course the times are fake. One of them is 6:66.

Funny how that was added 9 minutes ago... :lol

I agree these are probably fake, but it'd be interesting if "The Shaman's Trance" was (one of) the longest track(s) on the album and placed smack dab in the middle!

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 26, 2011, 01:29:35 PM
Of course the times are fake. One of them is 6:66.
Could be true :P
though it probably isn't

You think it might be true that a song length could be 6:66, huh?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 26, 2011, 01:38:26 PM
And now who ever added 6:66 has added that the 17 minute Shaman's Trance is an instrumental  :rollin

Imagine that - a 17 minute DT instrumental! :facepalm:

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 26, 2011, 01:38:40 PM
Only DT are capable of adding 6 more seconds on to a minute. I believe it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on June 26, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
Only DT are capable of adding 6 more seconds on to a minute. I believe it.

 :lol This is true. I'd laugh if 6:66 showed up on the album's liner notes, but the clock ran to 7:06...technically 6 minutes and 66 seconds...

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 26, 2011, 02:03:10 PM
Did someone here edit it?  It's been changed from 6:66 to 7:06...  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on June 26, 2011, 02:18:26 PM
It keeps changing. When I looked earlier there was only 8:59 and 17:21.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 26, 2011, 02:46:01 PM
Of course the times are fake. One of them is 6:66.
Could be true :P
though it probably isn't

You think it might be true that a song length could be 6:66, huh?
Oh crap...
Ok that was pretty much the most epic fail today -____-
Lol srry for tryin' to be a smartass xD
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 26, 2011, 02:58:31 PM
I wouldn't like having an 17 min instrumental. THAT would be dragging it out.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jsem on June 26, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
I don't want a 17 min song at all. Especially if it has the name "Shaman's Trance". Terrible name for a long song. That one should be 5-7 min long.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on June 26, 2011, 03:14:20 PM
Considering the wikipedia page doesn't seem to have proper, independet moderation I wouldn't take any of those track lengths as definite in any sense.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 26, 2011, 03:19:56 PM
I want artwork, song lengths, and a single soon. Also, 8 days until Dream Theater's first show with Mangini on the drums. :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 26, 2011, 04:07:50 PM
This album would be perfect for a drum-cam DVD

A DRUMatic Turn of Events.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 26, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
They probably came up with the title just to troll Portnoy about not being able to use that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 26, 2011, 05:01:39 PM
This album would be perfect for a drum-cam DVD

A DRUMatic Turn of Events.

I think that line has been used like, 4-5 times now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 26, 2011, 05:03:15 PM
This album would be perfect for a drum-cam DVD

A DRUMatic Turn of Events.

I think that line has been used like, 4-5 times now.
Because it's so badass.  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 26, 2011, 05:05:07 PM
Exactly!  :lol

I think the last one that flowed was Sysdrumatic Chaos, this one really flows
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 26, 2011, 05:06:19 PM
I don't want a 17 min song at all.
I could live with a 17 min song, but then it has to be really good. Nice lyrics and very musical.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 26, 2011, 05:10:08 PM
Exactly!  :lol

I think the last one that flowed was Sysdrumatic Chaos, this one really flows
The awesomeness that describes how much this name flows can not be described in words. Not even close.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 26, 2011, 05:28:56 PM
Was there one for BC&SL?

A Drumset to Remember
Black Drum and Silver Cymbals
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: drpez98 on June 26, 2011, 05:45:49 PM
Was there one for BC&SL?

A Drumset to Remember
Black Drum and Silver Cymbals
I believe it was called Black Clouds and Silver Drumming
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 26, 2011, 05:47:34 PM
that's.. lame
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on June 26, 2011, 05:53:25 PM
I don't want a 17 min song at all. Especially if it has the name "Shaman's Trance". Terrible name for a long song. That one should be 5-7 min long.

Huh?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 26, 2011, 06:11:03 PM
that's.. lame
The cover was even more lame. MP sitting on a giant marshmallow giving what was deemed "The Prog Claw"
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/b2e479654af03d19a4f90dee06b0a47b/2427835.jpg)

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 26, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
funny how long songs used to be desired, now some people dont want any
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: XianL on June 26, 2011, 06:46:20 PM
I'd still be down with 17 min long song  :-\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 26, 2011, 07:45:34 PM
As long as the album doesn't consist entirely of 17-minute songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on June 26, 2011, 07:59:27 PM
I think people are tired of DT's long songs because its become a gimmick at this point, they pretty much guarantee at least one per album now.  So something different from the norm is what prog is all about isn't it?  I wouldn't be against a 17 minute song but I'm sure a lot of people feel like the "epic" songs aren't as epic as they used to be, since its to be expected now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on June 26, 2011, 08:29:34 PM
As long as the album doesn't consist entirely of 17-minute songs.

What? Why not? The new vibe has a lot of possitive energy, i mean is DT i wouldnt mind a double disc with 20, 50 minute lenght songs at all!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 26, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
Whatever they come up with, I'm fine with. I just want some new music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: King Postwhore on June 26, 2011, 08:58:21 PM
I'd still be down with 17 min long song  :-\

17 minutes is all I need.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: XianL on June 26, 2011, 09:21:56 PM
I'd still be down with 17 min long song  :-\

17 minutes is all I need.

Goddamnit I've forgotten the pervert smily...

:eyebrows:

Nevermind :neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 26, 2011, 09:36:03 PM
that's.. lame
The cover was even more lame. MP sitting on a giant marshmallow giving what was deemed "The Prog Claw"
(https://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/b2e479654af03d19a4f90dee06b0a47b/2427835.jpg)



Oh God, now I remember.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 26, 2011, 09:42:17 PM
 :lol
That should have been the first sign that things were going awry in the Dream Theater camp
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 26, 2011, 09:51:27 PM
(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater.jpg)

Probably not intentional at all, but it's funny, from left to right you have the newest members to the oldest members.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mrjazzguitar on June 26, 2011, 10:07:36 PM
(https://rickwenner.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/0/gallery_5/galimg/rickwenner_nyc_dreamtheater.jpg)

Probably not intentional at all, but it's funny, from left to right you have the newest members to the oldest members.

good call. i wish more promo shots had Petrucci as the 'front man' -- he certainly is musically..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: XianL on June 27, 2011, 12:19:46 AM
Probably not intentional at all, but it's funny, from left to right you have the newest members to the oldest members.

Huh, very neat. Gotta be intentional.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ? on June 27, 2011, 12:22:59 AM
I also find it ironic how the remaining 2 founding members are the youngest guys in the band! :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: metropofreak on June 27, 2011, 01:28:41 AM
Wow, wikipedia has suddenly got a lot more info than yesterday on the track listings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events

I dont think any of the track lengths are real tbh. Although I really hope OTBOA isnt 46 seconds long

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 27, 2011, 01:35:06 AM
That'd be funny to have a 46 second song with lyrics.. Hmm. That'd be interesting. Wasn't it 8:46 earlier  :lol

And I like how this version has the lyricists
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 27, 2011, 02:15:41 AM
I like how it has Dominici as lyricist for Outcry.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 27, 2011, 02:41:02 AM
Yeah, and Moore is also there  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 27, 2011, 03:03:42 AM
Now Lost Not Forgotten has all past members as lyricists  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on June 27, 2011, 03:07:01 AM
Now Lost Not Forgotten has all past members as lyricists  :lol

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on June 27, 2011, 03:14:51 AM
Haha, that's awesome.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 27, 2011, 03:27:47 AM
funny how long songs used to be desired, now some people dont want any
It's a scarcity thing. I don't think we collectively "like" a certain type of song any more than another - but on the heels of the long-song apocalypse of Black Clouds & Silver Linings, which succeeds an album featuring the 25-minute long In the Presence of Enemies (and the 15 minute long Ministry of Lost Souls), which is the direct successor to Octavarium, we're a little oversaturated on the sprawling epics as of right now.

They used to be a lot more exciting when, prior to 2005, the longest single track was A Change of Seasons, released back in 1995, and written as far back as the 1980s. Give us two or three albums of 9 minuters and we'll be looking forward to the next epic again, but right now it's so happenstance that it's taken the shine off a little bit.

Wow, wikipedia has suddenly got a lot more info than yesterday on the track listings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events

I dont think any of the track lengths are real tbh. Although I really hope OTBOA isnt 46 seconds long
I really wish people would stop being dicks on the wikipedia page.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 27, 2011, 05:18:34 AM
That new promo shot kind of reminded me of this one from BC&SL. Hopefully the days of horribly photoshopped backgrounds are done

(https://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/weekender/stories/2010/07/01/9a-music01-art-g0q90v13-1dream-theater---2---06-24-2010-large.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 27, 2011, 07:20:15 AM
New shots:

(https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater_Portrait-3.jpg)


(https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater_Portrait-4.jpg)


(https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater_Portrait-5.jpg)

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 27, 2011, 07:22:13 AM
That JP pic  :eek
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 27, 2011, 07:24:22 AM
Awesome pictures  :metal  I think I can safely say this is the best they have ever looked.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 27, 2011, 07:24:44 AM
Awesome pictures  :metal  I think I can safely say this is the best they have ever looked.

+1
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 27, 2011, 07:29:13 AM
Also: Coming next will be the documentary photos in the recording studio.

Yay  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 27, 2011, 07:52:21 AM
Love the pictures; I wouldn't mind seeing them being used for the album booklet at all.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on June 27, 2011, 07:54:04 AM
Oh, wait. Documentary photos? Like photos from a documentary filming session or photos that were taken in a documentary-kinda-way?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 27, 2011, 08:02:23 AM
That JP pic  :eek

It's like: "I could tear your mortal body into subatomic particles, but I'm in a good mood today and I won't hurt you."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 27, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
Great pictures!! Especially JP, looks really...I don't know how to say this - mighty maybe  :biggrin: is this official news?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2011, 08:09:34 AM
Has JM been working out?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 27, 2011, 08:16:18 AM
Has JM been working out?

Just look at them veins :eyebrows:




:|
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on June 27, 2011, 08:35:19 AM
Also: Coming next will be the documentary photos in the recording studio.

Yay  :)

What? when?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 27, 2011, 08:40:41 AM
Also: Coming next will be the documentary photos in the recording studio.

Yay  :)

What? when?

https://blog.rickwenner.com/music/dream-theater-portraits/ (https://blog.rickwenner.com/music/dream-theater-portraits/) Read the blog  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on June 27, 2011, 08:54:23 AM
wait, the group photo is a composite??? holy...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on June 27, 2011, 08:57:14 AM
Holy shit Myung looks so badass in his picture :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on June 27, 2011, 08:57:45 AM

https://blog.rickwenner.com/music/dream-theater-portraits/ (https://blog.rickwenner.com/music/dream-theater-portraits/) Read the blog  :)

Nice! I hate the words "coming soon" though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 27, 2011, 09:00:53 AM
That new promo shot kind of reminded me of this one from BC&SL. Hopefully the days of horribly photoshopped backgrounds are done

(https://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/weekender/stories/2010/07/01/9a-music01-art-g0q90v13-1dream-theater---2---06-24-2010-large.jpg)


That is a really bad picture...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ? on June 27, 2011, 09:03:36 AM
Those new photos look much better than the "we're a dark and tough metal band" style shots from the SC/BC&SL era!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 27, 2011, 09:08:10 AM
Funny, everything seems better now in DT land. (Writing process, photographs, band dynamics). Now, if both the album art and album rock everything will be stellar. :hat
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 27, 2011, 09:13:39 AM
Not to mention the tour! That would be the peak of a memorable year!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 27, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
Not to mention the tour! That would be the peak of a memorable year!
DAMN RIGHT  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 27, 2011, 09:43:18 AM
Not to mention the tour! That would be the peak of a memorable year!
:metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: antigoon on June 27, 2011, 09:45:42 AM
JM looks like he's ready for a round of golf in that shirt :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 27, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
Also the recording studio photos will be on the blog tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 11:38:26 AM
Only one week until Dream Theater kicks off the European Festival Leg of the World Tour!!!!!  :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 27, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
So, DT play in a week. Does this mean we will hear a new song or will they be at later shows?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 27, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
ill be sniping the 'upload date' section of DT videos on youtube that night
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 12:28:46 PM
So, DT play in a week. Does this mean we will hear a new song or will they be at later shows?
Considering the first few shows aren't festivals, I'd say we have a better chance of seeing a new song then.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on June 27, 2011, 12:32:09 PM
Funny, everything seems better now in DT land. (Writing process, photographs, band dynamics). Now, if both the album art and album rock everything will be stellar. :hat

Amen brodas and sistas!!!! I really hope music will fit perfectly also!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 12:37:11 PM
Artwork and a track length announcement would be very much appreciated sometime in the next week before their first show with Mangini. I wouldn't complain if they posted a brand new single, either. I really just want the artwork and the track lengths.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: snapple on June 27, 2011, 12:38:24 PM
JP looks like...

"It wouldn't take me any effort to kill you. It takes a constant effort for me to not kill everyone around me"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 12:39:40 PM
JP looks like...

"It wouldn't take me any effort to kill you. It takes a constant effort for me to not kill everyone around me"
Like he's smiling in an effort to somehow hide the urge to kill everyone...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 27, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
Have you Guys see JLB picture?? it is awesome !! one of his best shots IMO.
Backing to topic about hearing a new song before the tour starts, I think that 80% YES ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 12:47:45 PM
Have you Guys see JLB picture?? it is awesome !! one of his best shots IMO.
Backing to topic about hearing a new song before the tour starts, I think that 80% YES ;)
I think its a good possibility as well. Both RR and DT have been ridiculously quiet about everything DT-related since they announced the tracklist.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on June 27, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Artwork and a track length announcement would be very much appreciated sometime in the next week before their first show with Mangini. I wouldn't complain if they posted a brand new single, either. I really just want the artwork and the track lengths.


This, and the writing credits.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 27, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
It's because there's going to be another YouTube series with the recording process, and then at the end of the third video, there will be tracklisting lengths, with writing credits, and then Dream Theater's new single/music video.

:neverusethis:

but seriously, the new band pics have actually made me more exited for DT11-ADTOE
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 27, 2011, 02:13:04 PM
i dont understand why pics would make a difference to the music?
EDIT: when you check the band photo within I&W, it looks like a glamband who just posed for a/the gaypride or whatever..... (the poses are...well.....)

but the music.............is beyond brutal, beyond awesome....

pics great. i would like it if they would just make a pic of themselves with there iphone and there ya go that's it, this is who we are, we have cellphones too... this is how we look like in 2011.. enjoy our music....

that would do it for me, as personal as can be....no photoshop, no strange light effects...

that DT starts performing from the next week and on...now that DOES get me excited!! wooooooooooT!
the DT wikipedia hasn't been updated with all the latest info...damn.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on June 27, 2011, 02:15:26 PM
I don't know where to put this, so Ill ask you guys here...

https://i51.tinypic.com/2eyj1hx.jpg - does anyone else think Mike Mangini looks like Brian Cox (professor and ex-keyboardist of D-Ream)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 27, 2011, 02:16:59 PM
With different hair he might. Hard to tell though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
I don't know where to put this, so Ill ask you guys here...

https://i51.tinypic.com/2eyj1hx.jpg - does anyone else think Mike Mangini looks like Brian Cox (professor and ex-keyboardist of D-Ream)
When I first saw Mangini in "The Spirit Carries On" documentary, that's literally the first thing I thought of. I think that because I happen to be a huge fan of Brian Cox's presentations, etc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MarkFitDT on June 27, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
I don't know where to put this, so Ill ask you guys here...

https://i51.tinypic.com/2eyj1hx.jpg - does anyone else think Mike Mangini looks like Brian Cox (professor and ex-keyboardist of D-Ream)

dont forget that he played on Dare's awesome debut album "Out of the Silence". One of my fav albums of all time
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 27, 2011, 02:43:21 PM
I'd be pissed if they decide to pull off an Opeth and not play a new song cause of YouTube  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 27, 2011, 02:44:18 PM
when you check the band photo within I&W, it looks like a glamband just post for they gaypride or whatever..... (the poses are...well.....)

 ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
New DREAM THEATER Drummer: 'Rehearsing With The Guys Was Unbelievably Amazing' - June 26, 2011 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159914)

Not much new information here, but a few comments from Mangini, etc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 27, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
^that was on BM a couple of days ago ...right? :-)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 27, 2011, 03:08:02 PM
^that was on BM a couple of days ago ...right? :-)
BM? Apparently it was posted yesterday according to the June 26th date.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fivestring on June 27, 2011, 10:16:23 PM
I've been following this all thru the entire process - and with all the slow, gradual release of information - it's just killing me that the album is THAT far away yet!  As was stated earlier - everything seems better (band dynamics, writing process, etc etc) and we are all creating our own hype for this next record. I have a feeling there are going to be some "wow - that's different!" moments and some tried-and-true DT riffs and such too. I don't want to hype myself so much that it can't live up to an unmakeable standard - but all signs point to go and I know we will be pleasantly surprised (and occasionally amazed) by what's been accomplished.

About when they will start playing a new song live - maybe it won't be for a bit - but whatever concert bootlegs start coming in - I have a feeling that even the songs from their catalog prior to ADToE will sound spirited and have a lot of life in their performances.

 :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: iamtheeviltwin on June 28, 2011, 07:49:58 AM
The in-studio pics are up at the photo blog....they look great...

https://blog.rickwenner.com/music/dream-theater-cove-city-studios/ (https://blog.rickwenner.com/music/dream-theater-cove-city-studios/)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 28, 2011, 07:51:15 AM
nice pics
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 28, 2011, 08:39:16 AM
Very cool pics.

did anybody else notice the Camera in the pic of JLB and MM???
does this mean....
a making of DVD ??? (YESSSSSSSSSS PLEASSSEE!! i'm a fan of that stuff, for all music/all bands ).
a indept interview with DT as a bonus DVD
a cameraman was just there as he had a day off and nothing todo...

well know i have to decide which pic wil be my background... i think i go for JP behind the mixer
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 28, 2011, 08:50:48 AM
The text above the set of pictures mentions an interview - doesn't say what for though.

Some good ones for shooping?

https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_NYC_DreamTheater-1.jpg

https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater-15.jpg

https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater-22.jpg

https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater-25.jpg
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 28, 2011, 10:04:47 AM
According to JP, the album is mixed and mastered as of TODAY!  :metal

https://twitter.com/jpetrucci
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 28, 2011, 10:24:18 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 28, 2011, 10:57:32 AM
New DT album is all mixed and mastered as of today. First show of the tour in Rome in less than a week! Looking forward to seeing everyone.
-JP [Facebook & Twitter]

Thread discussing this post: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24364.msg935804#msg935804
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 28, 2011, 11:09:33 AM
Some good ones for shooping?
https://blog.rickwenner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/RickWenner_DreamTheater-15.jpg
(https://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss37/ibloop/lamesjabrieandmangini.png)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on June 28, 2011, 11:21:30 AM
New track tomorrow 11am EST. Just got an email from Roadrunner. I guess they will be playing one on tour then.

And artwork???

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/socialmedia/dt-singlestream.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on June 28, 2011, 11:21:59 AM
GOT AN EMAIL FROM RR LISTEN TO A NEW TRACK TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

*MANGINIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nightsky971 on June 28, 2011, 11:22:22 AM
Just got an email....On the Backs of Angels will be available to listen to tomorrow at 11:00am  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 28, 2011, 11:23:51 AM
:metal :letam:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 28, 2011, 11:25:57 AM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 11:27:48 AM
diggin the majesty plane

but my work blocks youtube

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 28, 2011, 11:28:00 AM
Now I really feel the anticipation. This single NEEDS to be awesome. The band needs it. The fan needs it. Let's hope for the best.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 28, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
Album artwork's a plane?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 11:29:47 AM
i already like that artwork, even though someone just MS paint'd right over it. i wonder whats connected to the rope?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 28, 2011, 11:31:49 AM
Album artwork's a plane?
It's about Lost and how the flight suddenly got stranded on a magical island.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 11:34:31 AM
Album artwork's a plane?
It's about Lost and how the flight suddenly got stranded on a magical island.

wouldnt be against it haha


but MP was the lost fan
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on June 28, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
Album artwork's a plane?
It's about Lost and how the flight suddenly got stranded on a magical island.

Lost not forgotten.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 11:37:53 AM
i was able to keep my DT obssessive fanboism under control up until this point. SO EXCITED AHH


mangini'd everywhere
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 28, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
gays I didn't quite watch lost's finale



so, did they ever find 'em or something?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 28, 2011, 11:39:16 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I am excite!

And whats with the plane hmmmmm
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 28, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
gays I didn't quite watch lost's finale



so, did they ever find 'em or something?
u gay
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 28, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
gays I didn't quite watch lost's finale



so, did they ever find 'em or something?

Ross and Rachel got together again.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 28, 2011, 11:59:22 AM
Just got back from work and got the mail about the new track!!!!! This is it!!!! YEAH!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr but, it will be impossible for me to listen it when it will be available because I will be playing a show at that time... I will listen when I'll back, shit I'll be thinking all concert about this!!! :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on June 28, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
Anyway, I didn't really expected DT to relese the album opener as the promo single. That has not happened since, like, As I Am or Pull Me Under...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 28, 2011, 12:29:47 PM
I hope that all songs are long less than 6 minutes expect one or two epics
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 28, 2011, 12:37:42 PM
If the band was still going in the direction it was, it'd be a plane crash with storm clouds and the members in black  :P

So pumped for this!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on June 28, 2011, 12:41:20 PM
OMFG!



PLANE!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 12:42:06 PM
anyone rememeber how far in advance they started preorders for boxsets for BCSL?

just wondering. would love to get some deluxe stuff if they are doing it
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 28, 2011, 12:46:54 PM
In May they announced the boxset I think. Late April early May
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 28, 2011, 12:48:13 PM
I love how the artwork seems to be revealed bit by bit (if the background is part of the artwork, that is).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on June 28, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Just a pre-emptive thought about OtBoA - there's every chance that we'll hear this and have no idea whatsoever who the lyricist is.

That'll be interesting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 12:52:22 PM
I love how the artwork seems to be revealed bit by bit (if the background is part of the artwork, that is).

yes the RR guy working their MS paint definitely knows how to tease
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on June 28, 2011, 12:53:06 PM
 :mehlin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on June 28, 2011, 01:03:20 PM
Just a pre-emptive thought about OtBoA - there's every chance that we'll hear this and have no idea whatsoever who the lyricist is.

That'll be interesting.

 :) Interesting indeed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 28, 2011, 01:04:57 PM
unless of course its about an army of angels battling a newly ressurected pharoahs. and

grotesque creatures battle
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on June 28, 2011, 01:09:07 PM
Just a pre-emptive thought about OtBoA - there's every chance that we'll hear this and have no idea whatsoever who the lyricist is.

That'll be interesting.

It'll be pretty easy to tell. Really poetic? John Myung. Deals with something political/contentious? James. Anything else? Beartrucci.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 28, 2011, 01:31:31 PM
unless of course its about an army of angels battling a newly ressurected pharoahs. and

grotesque creatures battle

 :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aramatheis on June 28, 2011, 02:10:45 PM
(https://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/4/fb3a14fa-f2c2-4abf-8f81-21c83172de42.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on June 28, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
would it indeed be a part of the cover?
than we have
a plane
air
and a rope

ok. what's next? Devin townsend?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 28, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
I cannot contain my excitement. On The Backs Of Angels is the song I wanna hear most, judging by titles......hope it is as amazing as it sounds!

And they're really teasing us with that artwork, eh? Just unveil it!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 28, 2011, 03:14:02 PM
would it indeed be a part of the cover?
than we have
a plane
air
and a rope

ok. what's next? Devin townsend?
Nah, just MP holding onto the rope trying to attack the plane..

In all honesty, if that is the cover, it looks really cheesy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: EpicCookie on June 28, 2011, 03:19:53 PM
would it indeed be a part of the cover?
than we have
a plane
air
and a rope

ok. what's next? Devin townsend?
Nah, just MP holding onto the rope trying to attack the plane..

In all honesty, if that is the cover, it looks really cheesy
Lol that's exactly what I thought
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 28, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
So airplanes are cheesy now?

FUCK.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: yesrushdt on June 28, 2011, 05:43:37 PM
That's probably just a cover for the single, not the actual album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 28, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
That's probably just a cover for the single, not the actual album.

But then why would its title be "A Dramatic Turn of Events" rather than "On the Backs of Angels"?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: WildeSilas on June 28, 2011, 07:22:35 PM
It's actually too tall for a proper album cover. Cassette tape insert maybe...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 28, 2011, 09:22:27 PM
Maybe it's photoshopped to make it poster-sized. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Unimatrix on June 28, 2011, 09:27:16 PM
Wait... Am I the only one who received the email with the artwork uncensored??  :o

(https://twilighttrain.de/images/dramaticturn_uncensored.jpg)


































 :angel:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 28, 2011, 09:37:15 PM
Is that a bird shitting money
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 28, 2011, 09:38:43 PM
Whether it's real or not, I APPROVE!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on June 28, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
If it's real, than it's definately a departure from dark gloomy album covers.

EDIT: It's not real, someone posted it on JLB's facebook
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on June 28, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
Wait... Am I the only one who received the email with the artwork uncensored??  :o

(https://twilighttrain.de/images/dramaticturn_uncensored.jpg)

That's awful. It would be their worst album artwork.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on June 28, 2011, 09:48:20 PM
now the first thing i thought looking at the pic is:

a song about how you never know (you walking on a rope) if airlines (angels?) are going to cancel, delay or make any changes to your flight (dramatic situation), and that cost money to people (money falling)!

I hope i'm completely wrong.

P.S. well it seems like the art is fake so any of what i said matters.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Unimatrix on June 28, 2011, 10:09:01 PM
I guess I should have put a big layer of sarcasm green over the pic  :lol  :lol  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 28, 2011, 11:18:11 PM
Wait... Am I the only one who received the email with the artwork uncensored??  :o

(https://twilighttrain.de/images/dramaticturn_uncensored.jpg)

That's awful. It would be their worst album artwork.

 :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 12:45:12 AM
The bird is actually pooping money. Unreal.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 29, 2011, 12:53:15 AM
In the press release, the rope does not stretch across to the right side, so I doubt it is a tightrope
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 29, 2011, 12:58:05 AM
I assume the least interesting song on this album will be "This is the Life."  Lyrics by Jordan Rudess.  yes I said it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 29, 2011, 01:27:25 AM
In the press release, the rope does not stretch across to the right side, so I doubt it is a tightrope
The rope actually does come all the way across. You can see it just a bit under the halfway point of the artwork (by height). It's faint, but its there.  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 29, 2011, 01:40:00 AM
In the press release, the rope does not stretch across to the right side, so I doubt it is a tightrope
The rope actually does come all the way across. You can see it just a bit under the halfway point of the artwork (by height). It's faint, but its there.  :)
Yep, it's going up and further, but the rope is on the other side of the artwork ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 29, 2011, 01:41:37 AM
Oh yeah, I see it.  So the rope is heading one way and then angles off into another.  I wonder what is at the turning point.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 29, 2011, 01:42:16 AM
Yeah, that was my question when I saw that ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on June 29, 2011, 01:46:27 AM
It would be lame if it was just a giant knot in the middle that splits the vector into a new direction.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 29, 2011, 04:46:33 AM
If it's real, than it's definately a departure from dark gloomy album covers.

EDIT: It's not real, someone posted it on JLB's facebook

Regardless, it would be nice to finally have an album cover that doesn't seem so dismal.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on June 29, 2011, 05:06:14 AM
If it's real, than it's definately a departure from dark gloomy album covers.

EDIT: It's not real, someone posted it on JLB's facebook

Regardless, it would be nice to finally have an album cover that doesn't seem so dismal.

Yeah, something brighter like the Octavarium cover would be a nice change of pace, I think.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Unimatrix on June 29, 2011, 07:07:54 AM
The bird is actually pooping money. Unreal.

 :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 29, 2011, 08:53:11 AM
I assume the least interesting song on this album will be "This is the Life."  Lyrics by Jordan Rudess.  yes I said it.

"This is the Liiiiiiiife!"

"On The Roooooooad!"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 29, 2011, 08:54:01 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 29, 2011, 08:54:48 AM
I assume the least interesting song on this album will be "This is the Life."  Lyrics by Jordan Rudess.  yes I said it.

"This is the Liiiiiiiife!"

"On The Roooooooad!"
Hahaha. Well said.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on June 29, 2011, 09:07:03 AM
Damn it, all the drummer audition videos were released at 1900, always when am just getting in at work. Same thing this time, why do they hate me so much? xd
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on June 29, 2011, 09:47:17 AM
Says in the video description on Youtube that it comes out September 13th.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 29, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
Damn it, all the drummer audition videos were released at 1900, always when am just getting in at work. Same thing this time, why do they hate me so much? xd
It's just because that happens to also be 11am EST here in the USA.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on June 29, 2011, 10:57:30 AM
We officially have a new record for most people ever on the forums at once, by well over 100 and counting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 29, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
i believe we are in for a total treat with this album. DT arent the band to put their best songs out first, so i expect a quality album after hearing OTBOA
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 29, 2011, 11:10:46 AM
i believe we are in for a total treat with this album. DT arent the band to put their best songs out first, so i expect a quality album after hearing OTBOA

I would say so.  Even though by and large BC&SL was more of the same, AROP was not a good indicator of how amazing most of the other tracks would be.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 29, 2011, 11:19:23 AM
Having now heard OtBoA, I'm really hoping there is, indeed, an instrumental on this album.  Considering the only weak part (in my opinion) of that song is the somewhat bland vocals, I'm eager to hear an instrumental of the same quality music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 11:20:19 AM
I assume the least interesting song on this album will be "This is the Life."  Lyrics by Jordan Rudess.  yes I said it.

"This is the Liiiiiiiife!"

"On The Roooooooad!"

 :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on June 29, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
i believe we are in for a total treat with this album. DT arent the band to put their best songs out first, so i expect a quality album after hearing OTBOA

Very good point. If this song is the "A Rite of Passage" of the album then I would imagine that the other eight songs will be considerably better.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 29, 2011, 11:24:15 AM
i believe we are in for a total treat with this album. DT arent the band to put their best songs out first, so i expect a quality album after hearing OTBOA

Very good point. If this song is the "A Rite of Passage" of the album then I would imagine that the other eight songs will be considerably better.

Or the "As I Am" of the album, as that one also opened its respective album, as well as being the lead-off single
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
I can't hear this until I get home (assuming I can't wait until 9/13) but if it's true that MM's performance is underwhelming I'll be very disappointed. The first track of the album NEEDED to have jaw-dropping drum parts.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 29, 2011, 12:23:58 PM
I can't hear this until I get home (assuming I can't wait until 9/13) but if it's true that MM's performance is underwhelming I'll be very disappointed. The first track of the album NEEDED to have jaw-dropping drum parts.

It's not underwhelming, it's completely fine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 29, 2011, 12:25:02 PM
i would say MM's drumming on this (OTBOA) is adequate

he isnt going all out, he's just playing along. not bad at all though
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2011, 12:41:32 PM
I can't hear this until I get home (assuming I can't wait until 9/13) but if it's true that MM's performance is underwhelming I'll be very disappointed. The first track of the album NEEDED to have jaw-dropping drum parts.

It's not underwhelming, it's completely fine.

That's fine, but I want to be blown away by MM so I won't miss MP.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 12:50:04 PM
I can't hear this until I get home (assuming I can't wait until 9/13) but if it's true that MM's performance is underwhelming I'll be very disappointed. The first track of the album NEEDED to have jaw-dropping drum parts.

It's not underwhelming, it's completely fine.

That's fine, but I want to be blown away by MM so I won't miss MP.

The song is better than any single they've released in the past 6 years, go along with that
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kosmo on June 29, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
Yuppers.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 29, 2011, 01:03:43 PM
everyone listen to the drumming at 2:10 - 2:30


once people see him doing that live and not hearing it from a youtube mix, they will like mangini's drumming on it alot more
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on June 29, 2011, 01:09:14 PM
That's fine, but I want to be blown away by MM so I won't miss MP.

I know what you mean a bit.  I shouldn't be hearing this wondering what would happen if MP were playing the drums.  I miss some of the ridiculous fills already.  And the less drum driven structure feels weird.

There's other parts of the drumming though that I know MP never would have done that are really cool to me.  It just seems, at the moment, that Mangini in DT is a bit of a work in progress, which is semi-disappointing.  I wish he was more balls-out on this song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on June 29, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
I totally disagree, Reap. After a couple close listens, I think the drums on this are easily more interesting that anything Portnoy has done on any of his projects in recent years.

everyone listen to the drumming at 2:10 - 2:30


once people see him doing that live and not hearing it from a youtube mix, they will like mangini's drumming on it alot more

Likewise, those really fast one-handed cymbal hits at 3:27-ish?

Yeah, I doubt Portnoy can do that.

The drumming on this song is so good. Mangini's cymbal action, so far, is such a noticeable improvement over Portnoy's. During the chorus, like 5:25-50 for example, Mangini's playing a bunch of different cymbals and it sounds awesome. Then, after that over Jordan's clean piano solo, he's doing a high hat but he's letting it open and close and doing some other things and also hitting other cymbals, all while keeping the beat interesting with the kick patterns. Only during Petrucci's solo does he switch his cymbal playing to just playing in 4/4, which is fine because John is supposed to take the spotlight there anyway.

Going by Portnoy's performances on the last couple albums, I'd imagine he'd play the entire part I'm talking about above by simply hitting the high-hat as if it were a metronome. Sure, there would have been some tastey fills. But with Portnoy recently, it seemed he'd be doing something really basic, or he'd be doing a cool fill but the cymbal playing wouldn't be that great. Likewise, maybe the cymbal playing would be good but the beat would be nothing special. Mangini can do it all at once. I've got a feeling we're gonna notice how much of a better player he is when the new record comes out  :biggrin:  
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on June 29, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
I totally disagree, Reap. After a couple close listens, I think the drums on this are easily more interesting that anything Portnoy has done on any of his projects in recent years.

everyone listen to the drumming at 2:10 - 2:30


once people see him doing that live and not hearing it from a youtube mix, they will like mangini's drumming on it alot more

Likewise, those really fast one-handed cymbal hits at 3:27-ish?

Yeah, I doubt Portnoy can do that.

The drumming on this song is so good. Mangini's cymbal action, so far, is such a noticeable improvement over Portnoy's. During the chorus, like 5:25-50 for example, Mangini's playing a bunch of different cymbals and it sounds awesome. Then, after that over Jordan's clean piano solo, he's doing a high hat but he's letting it open and close and doing some other things and also hitting other cymbals, all while keeping the beat interesting with the kick patterns. Only during Petrucci's solo does he switch his cymbal playing to just playing in 4/4, which is fine because John is supposed to take the spotlight there anyway.

Going by Portnoy's performances on the last couple albums, I'd imagine he'd play the entire part I'm talking about above by simply hitting the high-hat as if it were a metronome. Sure, there would have been some tastey fills. But with Portnoy recently, it seemed he'd be doing something really basic, or he'd be doing a cool fill but the cymbal playing wouldn't be that great. Likewise, maybe the cymbal playing would be good but the beat would be nothing special. Mangini can do it all at once. I've got a feeling we're gonna notice how much of a better player he is when the new record comes out  :biggrin:  

You did a nice in-depth analysis there, but all I want to state is that MP's main area of dominance was in creating ultra-cool beats (both in straight time and odd time), not fills or polyrhythms or uber-techy stuff. So if I hear a plethora of KOOL beats I'll be fine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
I just listened through the song, with special attention on the drums and it was an incredibly rewarding experience. I think the way the drums are mixed, is to compliment the music rather than to outshine other instruments (that has happened before in DT). There are some insane drum patters in here.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bss4life15 on June 29, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
I don't know why there is a debate on who is the better drummer.  It doesn't matter.  All that matters is the kickass music and this song definetley delivers
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: theusualmadness on June 29, 2011, 03:17:49 PM
I just listened through the song, with special attention on the drums and it was an incredibly rewarding experience. I think the way the drums are mixed, is to compliment the music rather than to outshine other instruments (that has happened before in DT). There are some insane drum patters in here.

Maybe, but I never complain, and I think the mix is not that good. I like the song though.

Drums are way too low and the both the guitar and drums sound muddy in many parts.

Listening to Wither right now, and the mix is awesome.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 03:21:11 PM
I just listened through the song, with special attention on the drums and it was an incredibly rewarding experience. I think the way the drums are mixed, is to compliment the music rather than to outshine other instruments (that has happened before in DT). There are some insane drum patters in here.

Maybe, but I never complain, and I think the mix is not that good. I like the song though.

Drums are way too low and the both the guitar and drums sound muddy in many parts.

Listening to Wither right now, and the mix is awesome.

Well, I just listened to some BC&SL tunes from youtube and middle frequencies sound muddy as well. Coincidence?

Do not talk about how an album was mastered or mixed with a youtube mp3 as reference. I'm not referring to you in particular, but everyone who's talking about the mix. You will be able to tell me "lol no u were wrong, the mix sucks!" when the album gets released and we have a proper listen. But hey, not yet.  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: theusualmadness on June 29, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
I just listened through the song, with special attention on the drums and it was an incredibly rewarding experience. I think the way the drums are mixed, is to compliment the music rather than to outshine other instruments (that has happened before in DT). There are some insane drum patters in here.

Maybe, but I never complain, and I think the mix is not that good. I like the song though.

Drums are way too low and the both the guitar and drums sound muddy in many parts.

Listening to Wither right now, and the mix is awesome.

Well, I just listened to some BC&SL tunes from youtube and middle frequencies sound muddy as well. Coincidence?

Do not talk about how an album was mastered or mixed with a youtube mp3 as reference. I'm not referring to you in particular, but everyone who's talking about the mix. You will be able to tell me "lol no u were wrong, the mix sucks!" when the album gets released and we have a proper listen. But hey, not yet.  :D

I was comparing the songs on youtube, but your right hopefully the album will be a better mix.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on June 29, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
BUILD ME UP, BREAK ME DOWN
I'M ON A TIGHTROPE LIKE A CLOWN
UNICYCLING INTO INFINITY
CUT THE ROPE AND LET ME
FALL FROM GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 29, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
I love you, Zook.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on June 29, 2011, 05:27:10 PM
Quote
Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 29, 2011, 05:31:57 PM
like like like!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 29, 2011, 06:02:16 PM
God, I love Mangini.  He's just so enthusiastic about everything, it gets me excited just witnessing his excitement.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 29, 2011, 06:47:26 PM
Quote
Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!

ACOS. its gotta beeee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
OH-SHI
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 29, 2011, 08:09:56 PM
I would love to see Mangini pull out a pipe and put it in his mouth during TCOT live.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 29, 2011, 08:11:39 PM
lol it has more views than the Korn video
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heaven Outcry Angel on June 29, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
Quote
Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!

ACOS. its gotta beeee

i dunno thats kinda Portnoys personal song it might bother a few fans. Im guessing Octavarium, its a better song anyways
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 29, 2011, 08:12:37 PM
lol it has more views than the Korn video
It's because the DT fanbase is fucking insane.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ddtonfire on June 29, 2011, 08:14:14 PM
There is soooooo much to digest in this 8:46. It's jam-packed with gooey goodness! DT is better than ever!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bss4life15 on June 29, 2011, 09:48:20 PM
Learning To Live *Crosses Fingers*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on June 29, 2011, 11:12:02 PM
Quote
Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!

ACOS. its gotta beeee

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
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Post by: Kosmo on June 30, 2011, 03:34:11 AM
lol it has more views than the Korn video
Is it really a surprise? I'm more surprised about the fact that Korn still exists, I haven't heard about them in ages.
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Post by: jonny108 on June 30, 2011, 03:35:01 AM
ACOS or Octavarium!  :metal
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Post by: cyberdrummer on June 30, 2011, 04:08:05 AM
8V I think. It fits with the photos we've seen of JR using the lap steel in his keyboard rig.
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Post by: wasteland on June 30, 2011, 04:13:27 AM
8V I think. It fits with the photos we've seen of JR using the lap steel in his keyboard rig.

Yes, but that very shot does not make 8V a last minute add, if it was already reharsed or elsewhere decided to be played at the time of the reharsals. Anyway, I could be horribly wrong here :lol
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Post by: cyberdrummer on June 30, 2011, 04:17:33 AM
Perhaps it is ACOS. I sincerely hope it is, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Only time will tell...
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Post by: Dream Team on June 30, 2011, 07:25:58 AM
If it is ACOS, I really hope it is a staple of the US tour. Been wanting to see that song live ever since I became a fan.
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Post by: skydivingninja on June 30, 2011, 07:35:53 AM
I just had a vision about JP playing that opening melody to ACoS and a crowd going fucking insane, with me in the center of it.

So if this epic IS ACoS, I really hope I can see it live.  It would just be a monumental moment in my concert-going life.  Actually, the same goes true for Octavarium and Learning to Live, but I bet ACoS would get the biggest response from the fans at large since it hasn't been played live in any part since the 2003/04 tour.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 30, 2011, 09:34:34 AM
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Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!

ACOS. its gotta beeee

i dunno thats kinda Portnoys personal song it might bother a few fans. Im guessing Octavarium, its a better song anyways
He wrote the lyrics, but it was a long time ago.  That is a true DT song, not just an MP song.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
Neither of those would surprise me.  I tend to think it is ACOS simply because it is such a huge fan favorite.  But another part of me thinks it is Octavarium because that song is also incredibly well-liked AND has only been played in its entirely on the 8VM tour. 
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Post by: chrisbDTM on June 30, 2011, 10:45:58 AM
does anybody remember JR asking what our favorite DT epic was on twitter? i could swear this happened
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Post by: wasteland on June 30, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
does anybody remember JR asking what our favorite DT epic was on twitter? i could swear this happened

I remember him saying that he had just discovered again how amazing Octavarium was. And yes, I definitely recall that happening. It was, like, February, wasn't it?
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Post by: darkshade on June 30, 2011, 11:18:39 AM
does anybody remember JR asking what our favorite DT epic was on twitter? i could swear this happened

I remember him saying that he had just discovered again how amazing Octavarium was. And yes, I definitely recall that happening. It was, like, February, wasn't it?

oh boy  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: DeepBlueMajesty on June 30, 2011, 11:39:20 AM
I personally prefer Octavarium over a Change of Seasons, actually.  But I have a feeling it's going to be ACOS. Way more of a fan favorite, and it hasn't been played live in quite a while.
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Post by: orcus116 on June 30, 2011, 11:42:22 AM
Can't go wrong with either.
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Post by: mocool13 on June 30, 2011, 11:43:02 AM
OMG. If Mangini is talking about acos, ltl, or 8v and they play either one of them when i see them soon, I will die a happy man.

BTW, can we get a link for that statement?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 30, 2011, 11:45:27 AM
I'd like to hear ACOS, because I haven't heard that one yet. I've already heard 8vm and LTL (in the same show), but honestly, any one of those 3 would be AMAZING.
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Post by: chrisbDTM on June 30, 2011, 11:46:38 AM
ACOS/8VM is a win win no matter what.

when i get home (where twitter isnt blocked) ill figure out exactly what JR said. i even remember him saying something about ACOS and 8VM being the favorites


also ive never considered LTL an epic. its awesome, but i dont think its on ACOS/8VM level epic
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 30, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
Wait I got it. It's SFAM.



:neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 30, 2011, 12:16:56 PM
I wouldn't mind 8vm and ACoS...but I would prefer 8vm just a tiny bit more to hear Razors Edge.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2011, 12:20:34 PM
Imagine what a letdown it will be if Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is the HUGE DT epic Mangini is talking about, rather than A Change of Seasons or Octavarium. :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 30, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
that would be quite the last minute addition

EDIT: dont wanna double post



artwork is official + HQ
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=111076


HQ: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/dreamtheater/DT_ADTOE.jpg

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/dreamtheater/DT_ADTOE.jpg)
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Post by: orcus116 on June 30, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
Another Syme? It kinda has that look to it.
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Post by: EpicCookie on June 30, 2011, 12:45:40 PM
So it's official?
BAH
ah well, at least we'll have a new album :D
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Post by: Mebert78 on June 30, 2011, 12:50:20 PM
Holy cow.  If you copy and paste the high res image it's really huge.  And you get get a close look at all the details.  Beautiful.
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Post by: ariich on June 30, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
I actually quite like it. I mean, it's not amazing, but (1) it's not busy, and is pretty simple, and (2) the colour scheme is very bright. These things make me happy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on June 30, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
Minus the, ya know, imminent rope snap.
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Post by: Pols Voice on June 30, 2011, 01:25:36 PM
Holy cow.  If you copy and paste the high res image it's really huge.  And you get get a close look at all the details.  Beautiful.

Haha. There's a gap on the far left end of the rope.
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Post by: The Letter M on June 30, 2011, 01:27:42 PM
I really hope MM is learning ACOS only because I'd want to see/hear him play the over-dubbed drum parts in the first part with the octabans! That would be pretty amazing to see!

-Marc.
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Post by: TheMadgician on June 30, 2011, 01:30:59 PM
Holy cow.  If you copy and paste the high res image it's really huge.  And you get get a close look at all the details.  Beautiful.

Haha. There's a gap on the far left end of the rope.

Oh wow there is. And the gloves look kinda like clipart or something. I need to stop full viewing this. I'm finding all these little things that don't look right and it's going to ruin it for me.
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Post by: The Silent Cody on June 30, 2011, 01:37:38 PM
HD picture is just beautiful, I love the clouds. The wing of the plane is I think animated a bit, sth like a cartoon for me ;) very nice indeed, but as I said in the other topic, I was expecting sth totally different ;)
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Post by: tri.ad on June 30, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
Another Syme? It kinda has that look to it.

Nope. No black bar. :neverusethis:

As I said in the other thread, I think that the artwork is OK. Nothing really special, but the brightness of it is a nice change.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 30, 2011, 01:40:02 PM
the little errors arent a big deal. we should only be seeing cd size, but we are in an age where we are given supersized versions to scrutinize.

looks beautiful in HQ


also wiki says its hugh syme, but obviously that's not official. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Syme
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on June 30, 2011, 02:00:59 PM
Isn't it the tail of a plane? Not a wing?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 30, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
Isn't it the tail of a plane? Not a wing?

thats what i thought


but i think people may be using them interchangeably, but are thinking of the tail
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on June 30, 2011, 02:05:38 PM
I assumed it was a wing because I assumed the plane was turning, thus having one wing above the clouds.  But now that you mention it, maybe it does look more like a tail than a wing in general shape.  I'm not sure. 
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Post by: Öxölklöfför on June 30, 2011, 02:05:55 PM
And my first post will be...."The snare sounds very ACOS in the section starting @ 3.00" :-)

Hi all!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on June 30, 2011, 02:10:28 PM
I assumed it was a wing because I assumed the plane was turning, thus having one wing above the clouds.  But now that you mention it, maybe it does look more like a tail than a wing in general shape.  I'm not sure. 

i just think that if you look at the angle between the tail and top of plane (the bend), if it were a wing the nose of the plane would be over the clouds as well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on June 30, 2011, 02:15:28 PM
It's a sailboat in a sea of mashed potatoes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on June 30, 2011, 02:27:24 PM
From the Roadrunner page
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Is Mike the clown (head in the clouds?) on the tight rope?! While the DT flying machine flies on?

Interesting, but funny
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 30, 2011, 02:38:28 PM
THE METAPHOR
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on June 30, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
THE METAPHOR
Not just the metaphor, but the rooooooope
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on June 30, 2011, 05:49:12 PM
THE METAPHOR
Not just the metaphor, but the rooooooope
:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zorander on June 30, 2011, 06:15:43 PM
THE METAPHOR
Not just the metaphor, but the RORORORORO(ope)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 30, 2011, 06:21:51 PM
Jesus, did he ever see the red light?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 30, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
Its actually a pretty sad cover. The rope snapped and he doesn't know it, while a plane is about to pass through the break, and witness but it won't
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on June 30, 2011, 07:28:32 PM
Really, what's the word... mediocre? album cover. I mean, when the reaction to the music is AWESOME!!! and the cover gets plenty of "LOL!!!" you gotta say it. As of now: Music = Good; Artwork = Bad.

Oh well, as long as the rest of the music is good, it's all OK.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on June 30, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Maybe it's a plane to imply that from now on it'll be just smooth sailing?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rafael Guerra on June 30, 2011, 08:13:05 PM
Its actually a pretty sad cover. The rope snapped and he doesn't know it, while a plane is about to pass through the break, and witness but it won't
Hm...so the clown will fall on the back of the plane and take off higher than ever?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on June 30, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
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Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!

ACOS. its gotta beeee

i dunno thats kinda Portnoys personal song it might bother a few fans. Im guessing Octavarium, its a better song anyways


Ohhhh why would you bring this person back to the table he is not longer in the band! Come on let's keep talking about MM! ;-) he is such a character! His positive personality will Keep him as a DT member for ever!
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 01, 2011, 12:16:52 AM
I actually quite like it. I mean, it's not amazing, but (1) it's not busy, and is pretty simple, and (2) the colour scheme is very bright. These things make me happy.

THIS!

Finally an opinion that isn't ripping it to pieces lol
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Post by: ariich on July 01, 2011, 01:23:08 AM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!
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Post by: Jamesman42 on July 01, 2011, 05:55:05 AM
Really, what's the word... mediocre? album cover. I mean, when the reaction to the music is AWESOME!!! and the cover gets plenty of "LOL!!!" you gotta say it. As of now: Music = Good; Artwork = Bad.

Oh well, as long as the rest of the music is good, it's all OK.

Although some of your phrases make me go WTF, this.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 01, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

This is true.....I love the cover, and I see nothing wrong with it at all.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: reneranucci on July 01, 2011, 12:15:47 PM
Its actually a pretty sad cover. The rope snapped and he doesn't know it, while a plane is about to pass through the break, and witness but it won't
He's anyway bound to die due to the lack of oxygen at that altitude, so the snapped rope may actually come as a relief.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on July 01, 2011, 01:20:41 PM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2011, 04:40:49 PM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
:lol Indeed. People like to question you on whether there's anything you actually like, and a few times I've been asked whether there's anything I dislike.

This makes you my nemesis.
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Post by: Jaffa on July 01, 2011, 04:41:49 PM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
and a few times I've been asked whether there's anything I dislike.

I can testify to this.  :P
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Post by: Ravenheart on July 01, 2011, 04:47:45 PM
EDIT: Wrong thread  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2011, 05:02:05 PM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
and a few times I've been asked whether there's anything I dislike.

I can testify to this.  :P
:lol Yeah, but you're not the first to ask that of me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 02, 2011, 01:39:27 AM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
:lol Indeed. People like to question you on whether there's anything you actually like, and a few times I've been asked whether there's anything I dislike.


You quite dislike Scenes From a Memory! That's more than enough, I suppose  :lol
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Post by: Matt7 on July 02, 2011, 02:53:12 AM
I usually don't judge an album for its title.

I think the title is really meaningful.
And I'm really glad that there isn't a title track or something like that.

9 songs for me are quite enough and the titles are really inspiring
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 02:59:30 AM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
:lol Indeed. People like to question you on whether there's anything you actually like, and a few times I've been asked whether there's anything I dislike.


You quite dislike Scenes From a Memory! That's more than enough, I suppose  :lol
Well, I don't dislike it at all, in fact I enjoy it greatly. I just don't find it hugely exciting, and definitely one of DT's weaker albums.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 02, 2011, 03:05:30 AM
Well I am DTF's resident optimist, so it's to be expected!

I guess you're my official foil then.  ;)
:lol Indeed. People like to question you on whether there's anything you actually like, and a few times I've been asked whether there's anything I dislike.



You quite dislike Scenes From a Memory! That's more than enough, I suppose  :lol
Well, I don't dislike it at all, in fact I enjoy it greatly. I just don't find it hugely exciting, and definitely one of DT's weaker albums.
Well, I hope you dislike at least Constant Motion or Friday  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 03:21:52 AM
Fixed the quoting for you.

And Constant Motion is a good song, definitely not one of DT's worst as some people seem to claim.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 02, 2011, 03:25:54 AM
Fixed the quoting for you.

And Constant Motion is a good song, definitely not one of DT's worst as some people seem to claim.

Dude, that song is awful.  If it weren't for the instrumental section, it would have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
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Post by: ariich on July 02, 2011, 03:32:18 AM
The riff rocks, and I enjoy the back and forth in it.

And yeah the instrumental/solo section is really groovy and takes it from maybe a 5/10 up to a 7/10.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 02, 2011, 03:40:41 AM
The riff rocks, and I enjoy the back and forth in it.

And yeah the instrumental/solo section is really groovy and takes it from maybe a 5/10 up to a 7/10.
Well hey, if you like it, that's all that matters.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 02, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
JP's solo is reminiscient of These Walls in its simplicity and its great.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on July 02, 2011, 09:47:17 PM
Quote
Wait wait wait till you hear the rest of the DT album... oh my... but please enjoy On the Backs of Angels as it was my 1st recorded song and I can't wait until you hear it in person! There aren't enough hours in the day for me before leaving for Rome. I'm learning a HUGE DT epic (last min. add) to throw in this tour :) ahhhhh!!!

From Mike Mangini!!
Huge DT epic.... ACOS?!?!?!
What does he mean by 'epic'?
I mean, they called A Nightmare to Remember and The Dance Of Eternity 'epics' in the drummer auditions... so  :-\
But I hope it is A Change of Seasons too  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 02, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
im sure hes been schooled by the band as to what a DT 'epic' really is
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on July 02, 2011, 11:01:49 PM
I guess...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 02, 2011, 11:03:16 PM
CM is a 10/10 for me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 02, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
CM is a 10/10 for me.
:|

It's good, but not THAT good.
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Post by: voncorn on July 03, 2011, 12:36:37 AM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 03, 2011, 01:56:20 PM
Something I just thought about that I want from the new album. Unpredictable song structure. Those Dream Theater songs has allways been the ones to impress me the most and I think that is one part of it. Like In the Presence of Enemies, Octavarium, A Change of Seasons, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Okey I do realize those are the four longest Dream Theater tracks ever but that concept of different song structures is what I want. And I don't think we will be getting any song of that length but still it would be nice to hear.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dellers on July 03, 2011, 03:43:32 PM
CM is a 10/10 for me.
Wow, a TEN? It's the only DT song on an album I would consider really bad. 3/10 on a good day, mostly because it's DT. I get the thing about different tastes and all, but 10 for CM is way beyond what I can understand, no matter what glasses I'm wearing. Probably the most boring song in my music library, by any artist.
On The Backs Of Angels on the other hand ---> awesome stuff. Can't wait for the new album. Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 03, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ravenheart on July 03, 2011, 08:07:31 PM
Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
You're missing out on a ton of great new music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: XianL on July 03, 2011, 10:31:50 PM
This song just gets better over time! Loving it still.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 03, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
After many listenings I still founding something new... this is very impressive, love the song. It stucks in my head now ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dellers on July 04, 2011, 09:07:50 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
You're missing out on a ton of great new music.
Well, within the genres I really like (which is actually quite many), there's like 1-5 good albums coming out each year. Not a lot IMO. I find most metal extremely boring though, so I might miss out on good acts within those genres. Most of the music that comes out these days just sound very familiar. There's not really been any significant development for the better or worse since the 90's, and therefore the new stuff just don't sound exciting. IMO of course. Bottom line, things have to be very, very good within its genre these days to be worth buying.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 04, 2011, 10:38:46 AM
Most of the music that comes out these days just sound very familiar. There's not really been any significant development for the better or worse since the 90's, and therefore the new stuff just don't sound exciting. IMO of course.

Well I strongly disagree. There's so many great albums coming out this year... and in many genres too! I get the opinions stuff but sometimes you have to dig a bit to find the good releases. ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on July 05, 2011, 06:57:40 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on July 05, 2011, 09:10:37 AM
I have a strong feeling Haken will become the new progressive cult following.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 05, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
The riff rocks, and I enjoy the back and forth in it.

And yeah the instrumental/solo section is really groovy and takes it from maybe a 5/10 up to a 7/10.

More like from an 8/10 to 8.5/10.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 05, 2011, 10:11:00 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Then again, keep in mind that many of the albums we now consider classics didn't become instant classics, but they became such over time. I'm sure many rock fans were asking themselves the same thing back in the day... in a transferred sense. I don't think anyone can really anticipate a classic when it first arrives on the market.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 05, 2011, 10:29:01 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Radiohead.

Also, music right now is better then ever. The number of quality bands making music these days is ridiculous. IMO :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on July 05, 2011, 10:51:12 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Radiohead.

Also, music right now is better then ever. The number of quality bands making music these days is ridiculous. IMO :D

Uh . . . Radiohead's first album was in 1993. I don't think you read my post.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on July 05, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Radiohead.

Also, music right now is better then ever. The number of quality bands making music these days is ridiculous. IMO :D

Uh . . . Radiohead's first album was in 1993. I don't think you read my post.

The Mars Volta, Beardfish, Umphrey's McGee, Karmakanic... to name a few
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 05, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Radiohead.

Also, music right now is better then ever. The number of quality bands making music these days is ridiculous. IMO :D

Agree. The thing is, there's so much fucking music out there it's likely to stumble upon loads of crappy music as well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on July 05, 2011, 11:29:03 AM
Lots of good stuff out there. If you look in the right places, you might not even stumble across a crappy artist. The problem is, I don't know ANYONE that actually likes that stuff. The closest thing to progressive rock I've seen in a friend's ipod is Muse. Anyways, is there a thread about good music? I always love most bands that DT fans recommend!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 05, 2011, 01:35:21 PM
Lots of good stuff out there. If you look in the right places, you might not even stumble across a crappy artist. The problem is, I don't know ANYONE that actually likes that stuff. The closest thing to progressive rock I've seen in a friend's ipod is Muse. Anyways, is there a thread about good music? I always love most bands that DT fans recommend!
Recommend me something :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on July 05, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
You're missing out on a ton of great new music.
Well, within the genres I really like (which is actually quite many), there's like 1-5 good albums coming out each year. Not a lot IMO. I find most metal extremely boring though, so I might miss out on good acts within those genres. Most of the music that comes out these days just sound very familiar. There's not really been any significant development for the better or worse since the 90's, and therefore the new stuff just don't sound exciting. IMO of course. Bottom line, things have to be very, very good within its genre these days to be worth buying.

Not to hijack the thread too much, but I pretty much agree with you. The past 3-4 years in music have been pretty dull for me, although 2000-2004 was very good. I have to dig really hard to find anything that interests me. It doesn't help that indie has become so big and I don't like almost any of it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Psy on July 05, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
I have a strong feeling Haken will become the new progressive cult following.

I sure hope so.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 05, 2011, 06:56:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4trac3zPz8


mangini is such a cool dude
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkEternalNight on July 05, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
I am so happy for him, he deserved it more than anyone else.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on July 05, 2011, 09:14:07 PM
I think Mangini has become my new favorite person in DT/ex-DT
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 05, 2011, 09:44:53 PM
Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
You're missing out on a ton of great new music.
Well, within the genres I really like (which is actually quite many), there's like 1-5 good albums coming out each year. Not a lot IMO. I find most metal extremely boring though, so I might miss out on good acts within those genres. Most of the music that comes out these days just sound very familiar. There's not really been any significant development for the better or worse since the 90's, and therefore the new stuff just don't sound exciting. IMO of course. Bottom line, things have to be very, very good within its genre these days to be worth buying.

Not to hijack the thread too much, but I pretty much agree with you. The past 3-4 years in music have been pretty dull for me, although 2000-2004 was very good. I have to dig really hard to find anything that interests me. It doesn't help that indie has become so big and I don't like almost any of it.

Yeah, that was a pretty good range of years.  I hate the new Rihanna/Katy Perry style stuff.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2011, 10:30:10 PM
Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Arcade Fire.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 05, 2011, 10:57:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4trac3zPz8


mangini is such a cool dude
Does JP said that the 2nd leg will be in spring?Or my ears are misleading me ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 05, 2011, 11:06:19 PM
I think he means playing in Italy in the Spring again. I don't know though, tough to understand.

Also, that frickin New Zealand fan tribute showed up in the suggestions box after watching that video that chrisbDTM linked
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 05, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Arcade Fire.

What?  Are they that big?  They seem to be big among indie kids but otherwise I don't see it, and I even like them.  I'd think The Killers and Muse are better candidates for remembrance.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 06, 2011, 12:43:05 AM
I absolutely LOVE Mike Mangini!! Dream Theater has a whole new world waiting for them in this new chapter.

And my god, if MM's sister started to cry from the new album it has to be epic.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 06, 2011, 01:32:49 AM
I absolutely LOVE Mike Mangini!! Dream Theater has a whole new world waiting for them in this new chapter.

And my god, if MM's sister started to cry from the new album it has to be epic.
Yeah, that is very interesting and "good hoping" for ADTOE ;))
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 06, 2011, 01:41:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4trac3zPz8


mangini is such a cool dude
Does JP said that the 2nd leg will be in spring?Or my ears are misleading me ;)

No, I heard that too. I mean, he specifically talked about Italy, but my guess is that the whole second European leg will take place in spring. Which is fine with me, as long as they re-visit Austria or Munich. ;)

And I agree, MM is a really nice guy. I'd love to have a chat with him after a concert (although I know that the chances for that are almost non-existent).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 06, 2011, 01:41:56 AM
I absolutely LOVE Mike Mangini!! Dream Theater has a whole new world waiting for them in this new chapter.

And my god, if MM's sister started to cry from the new album it has to be epic.

Who knows, maybe MM's sister even cries watching American Idol  :lol

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 06, 2011, 01:43:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4trac3zPz8


mangini is such a cool dude
Does JP said that the 2nd leg will be in spring?Or my ears are misleading me ;)

No, I heard that too. I mean, he specifically talked about Italy, but my guess is that the whole second European leg will take place in spring. Which is fine with me, as long as they re-visit Austria or Munich. ;)

Well, this is quite interesting, actually. They usually record live album during the last leg of the tour, so there are some chances that we may be given the first official Live Release filmed in Europe since OIALT. That would be epic!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on July 06, 2011, 07:24:48 AM
Another good move by JP (I assume he is the final decision-maker on most things) to tour the States right away and then go back to Europe later; seeing as how there was no proper tour here to support BC&SL. I was fortunate enought to catch one of the 3 one-off shows but most of the fans here missed out unless they went to the Maiden gig. So anyway I'm liking most of the decisions the band is making under the new regime.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2011, 07:31:04 AM
That's a great short clip of JP & MM. Mangini seems like such a great guy. Really the perfect guy.


OK, speaking of touring, how's about some US dates!!!!! The album release is 9 weeks away. If they start touring in September, this is not a lot of lead time.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elite on July 06, 2011, 09:52:10 AM
I have a strong feeling Haken will become the new progressive cult following.

The world needs more Haken love. I love the band and I had the chance to meet the guys. Great band, great guys. Can't wait to see them next saturday (along with Dream Theater and Anathema, whoo!)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: yesrushdt on July 06, 2011, 11:23:40 AM
I have a strong feeling Haken will become the new progressive cult following.

The world needs more Haken love. I love the band and I had the chance to meet the guys. Great band, great guys. Can't wait to see them next saturday (along with Dream Theater and Anathema, whoo!)

Can't recommend Haken enough.  Their phenomenal album Aquarius was 2nd only to Spock's Beard's X on my top 10 of 2010 list. 

Definitely check out this track (https://www.myspace.com/hakenmusic/music/songs/drowning-in-the-flood-radio-edit-68353461) if you've never heard the band before.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ravenheart on July 06, 2011, 03:37:10 PM
Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
You're missing out on a ton of great new music.
Well, within the genres I really like (which is actually quite many), there's like 1-5 good albums coming out each year. Not a lot IMO. I find most metal extremely boring though, so I might miss out on good acts within those genres. Most of the music that comes out these days just sound very familiar. There's not really been any significant development for the better or worse since the 90's, and therefore the new stuff just don't sound exciting. IMO of course. Bottom line, things have to be very, very good within its genre these days to be worth buying.

Not really much good music coming out these days

Are you kidding?! :lol

No, dead serious. Name me one band that originated in this godawful millenium that will be remembered in 20 years like the bands of the 60s and 70s are.

Not really much good music coming out these days, and everything on the radio is made by computer geeks. Hopefully ADTOE will be one of the best records in the next few years.
You're missing out on a ton of great new music.
Well, within the genres I really like (which is actually quite many), there's like 1-5 good albums coming out each year. Not a lot IMO. I find most metal extremely boring though, so I might miss out on good acts within those genres. Most of the music that comes out these days just sound very familiar. There's not really been any significant development for the better or worse since the 90's, and therefore the new stuff just don't sound exciting. IMO of course. Bottom line, things have to be very, very good within its genre these days to be worth buying.

Not to hijack the thread too much, but I pretty much agree with you. The past 3-4 years in music have been pretty dull for me, although 2000-2004 was very good. I have to dig really hard to find anything that interests me. It doesn't help that indie has become so big and I don't like almost any of it.



You guys seriously need to look into more genres than just prog and prog metal. There's so much out there that's amazing. You just need to spend some time looking for it, and you certainly won't help yourselves by looking to the radio for it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 06, 2011, 03:42:01 PM
Ravenheart is right. Expanding your genre styles makes life simpler cause you don't have a limitation.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 06, 2011, 03:54:33 PM
From around 2005 to present, I've discovered so many great bands and artists from all kinds of music. Personally, I think this year, so far, is one of the best years in music that I've been alive (since I'm only 19 years old).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 06, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
This year might just be the best year of music ever.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dellers on July 06, 2011, 04:29:29 PM
Let me just add that some of the albums I think are good these days, are absolutely top notch. I also do have a wide variety of genres that I like, for instance my two favorite bands in no particular order are Dream Theater and Earth, Wind & Fire.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 07, 2011, 09:26:21 AM
I was just about to reply to a recent post when I suddenly realized this was actually the thread about the new Dream Theater album. Starts to look like a general music discussion.

Lets not go too far off topic, shall we?  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 08, 2011, 08:30:50 AM
This thread should be titled: A Dramatic Turn of Events.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 08, 2011, 09:25:41 AM
are you justified?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 08, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
In taking lives to save lives?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 08, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
(https://keck.usc.edu/en/About/People_at_Keck/Parents/~/media/Images/Hero/white_coat_dean_hero.jpg?h=218&w=644)


White coat hero, being incredibly gayriich.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 08, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
(https://sofiabengtsson.blogg.se/images/2009/drcox_41210991.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 08, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
September cannot come fast enough.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on July 08, 2011, 02:18:43 PM
September cannot come fast enough.

It can.

















But it won't.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 08, 2011, 02:28:41 PM
^ Man September is such a bitch.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: September on July 08, 2011, 02:32:30 PM
^ Man September is such a bitch.

Personal attack!  Reported.   >:(
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 08, 2011, 02:33:36 PM
Unexpected.


So, you finally came.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on July 08, 2011, 02:34:36 PM
So where's the new DT and Opeth albums?? huh? HUH??? HUHHHHH????
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 08, 2011, 02:38:23 PM
October's cooler.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2011, 02:48:03 PM
October's cooler.

After checking the dude's profile, this made me :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 08, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
^ Man September is such a bitch.

Personal attack!  Reported.   >:(

Greatest first post I've seen. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 08, 2011, 03:32:44 PM
^ Man September is such a bitch.

Personal attack!  Reported.   >:(

Greatest first post I've seen. 
Indeed, that was awesome dude.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 08, 2011, 10:36:24 PM
Unexpected.


So, you finally came.

Dude...right in the thread?  Eugh...



Oh and welcome to the forum. :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 09, 2011, 09:35:08 AM
(https://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/motivate/me/large/420-professor-oak-he-came.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 09, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
Unexpected.


So, you finally came.
That is what one gal mentioned last night.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on July 09, 2011, 11:02:20 AM
The DTF Community came when they derailed the topic. it's true, happens all the time.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 09, 2011, 04:40:30 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dramatic_Turn_of_Events)

Although they are very most likely fake, there are some track lengths and lyricists on these and it's quite interesting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Implode on July 09, 2011, 06:04:59 PM
Well, they're gone by now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 09, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
It'd be funny if it's someone like JR or JP editing the track times and lyricists and people keep deleting them.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 09, 2011, 08:38:45 PM
*snip*

 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on July 09, 2011, 11:04:23 PM
I just read a post in another topic, saying how if this new album is 70-75 minutes long like most of their albums are, that if every song was about the same length, they would be 8 minutes or so in length. It also said that if there was a 25-minute epic at the end, some songs would be much shorter, at 4-5 minutes like in Octavarium. Personally, if there was an epic, (hoping there is!) I'd want something more of the length of TMOLS or ITPOE pt. 2, so the "shorter" songs would still be a good length, 6-8 minutes or so, as I haven't been a fan of their shortest songs lately -- I don't want to say they feel weak neccessarily, but for me they lack the strength of many DT songs. Of course, I don't count WFS, Regression, TMW, or Vacant because they tie into the next song, and WIMH because it's part of SDOIT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2011, 02:48:39 AM
^

I agree. The track lenghts of the wikipedia page I posted that is deleted now said Breaking All Illusions was about 11 minutes long and Beneath the Surface was about 14 minutes. Even if that was fake it would be pretty nice if it turned out to be something like that
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 10, 2011, 05:43:44 AM
I really hope there is no epic and that there is an instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 10, 2011, 12:07:37 PM
Has anyone thought of the idea that ADTOE might be a double album?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on July 10, 2011, 12:10:38 PM
Has anyone thought of the idea that ADTOE might be a double album?

They would have announced it already. It'd be nice though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2011, 02:26:44 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/343016002.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1310330525&Signature=SC06Nqu88RniNNS2T%2F5Sq325sFk%3D)

(https://www.deonandan.com/uploaded_images/cat-its-beautiful-757601.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamariquay on July 10, 2011, 02:30:09 PM
Has anyone thought of the idea that ADTOE might be a double album?

That'd mean that disc one would have four songs and disc five would have five songs (something like that anyway). Meaning that the average track length could potentially be around fifteen minutes. I dunno, I feel like it's been done already.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 10, 2011, 02:34:12 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/343016002.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1310330525&Signature=SC06Nqu88RniNNS2T%2F5Sq325sFk%3D)

(https://www.deonandan.com/uploaded_images/cat-its-beautiful-757601.jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 10, 2011, 02:51:26 PM
Edit: Nevermind. Double album? Doubt it, it would have been part of the announcement imo.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 10, 2011, 04:52:49 PM
It's still a possibility, but I agree with tri.ad.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 10, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
Edit: Nevermind. Double album? Doubt it, it would have been part of the announcement imo.
Yeah, I think the track numbering would look different, were it a double album.

DISC ONE
1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down

DISC TWO
1. Lost Not Forgotten
2. This is the Life
3. The Shaman's Trance
4. Outcry
5. Far from Heaven
6. Breaking All Illusions
7. Beneath the Surface

...or whatever.

(This is in a universe where Build Me Up, Break Me Down is fucking enormous, for the record.)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2011, 04:57:02 PM
Well I dig that universe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 10, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
I can see your guys' point about them announcing it as a double album, but I have never witnessed the announcement of a double album, since I was a fan following the release of Octavarium. When they announced SDOIT to be released, did it include the two-dsic tracklisting that we know of today?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2011, 08:26:57 PM
I can see your guys' point about them announcing it as a double album, but I have never witnessed the announcement of a double album, since I was a fan following the release of Octavarium. When they announced SDOIT to be released, did it include the two-dsic tracklisting that we know of today?
Yes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 10, 2011, 08:33:55 PM
I can see your guys' point about them announcing it as a double album, but I have never witnessed the announcement of a double album, since I was a fan following the release of Octavarium. When they announced SDOIT to be released, did it include the two-dsic tracklisting that we know of today?
Yes.
Good to know.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 11, 2011, 01:39:36 AM
This just occurred to me while reading the thread about the track lengths... I wouldn't mind if the last song was a shorter song and had a lighter, almost acoustic arrangement. It would be a nice change to the mostly bombastic album enders DT had for the last ten years imo.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: soulburner on July 11, 2011, 01:51:50 AM
I have only one question regarding the new album.

Stems.

BC&SL limited edition included a "producer's disc", containing all songs each split into 6 stems - vocals, guitar, solo, keys, bass, drums. It was a great thing for musicians and people like me, who just like to play with sound. Thanks to the stems, I could make a much more dynamic mix of the album, not suffering from the loudness war, increasing the clarity of keys and bass, making the kickdrum more prominent and other stuff like that.

I have got so much used to doing that, my mind can't comprehend a new DT album without the stems. Have you guys heard anything about that?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lucky7 on July 11, 2011, 02:39:49 AM
Long time away and so much has happened in a month  :smiley: I love the album title, as everything has been a dramatic turn of events for all of us fans and the band, great that there are more tracks than BC&SL, roll on Sept!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 11, 2011, 02:41:52 AM
I have only one question regarding the new album.

Stems.

BC&SL limited edition included a "producer's disc", containing all songs each split into 6 stems - vocals, guitar, solo, keys, bass, drums. It was a great thing for musicians and people like me, who just like to play with sound. Thanks to the stems, I could make a much more dynamic mix of the album, not suffering from the loudness war, increasing the clarity of keys and bass, making the kickdrum more prominent and other stuff like that.

I have got so much used to doing that, my mind can't comprehend a new DT album without the stems. Have you guys heard anything about that?

Question - How did you pull this off?  The improvements you made to the sound are virtually the same as my complaints about it.  I tried to do some stuff with the mixes to make them more clear but it never worked.  The bass in particular ended up being too present or too bassy to sound good.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Psy on July 11, 2011, 05:55:53 AM
To be honest, the BC&SL stems were kinda poor because they were still compressed. Would be far better if they provided the source audio as is.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 11, 2011, 06:06:01 AM
I have only one question regarding the new album.

Stems.

BC&SL limited edition included a "producer's disc", containing all songs each split into 6 stems - vocals, guitar, solo, keys, bass, drums. It was a great thing for musicians and people like me, who just like to play with sound. Thanks to the stems, I could make a much more dynamic mix of the album, not suffering from the loudness war, increasing the clarity of keys and bass, making the kickdrum more prominent and other stuff like that.

I have got so much used to doing that, my mind can't comprehend a new DT album without the stems. Have you guys heard anything about that?

Could you upload some of your remixes? I'd love to hear it. Like Reapsta, I'd tried it myself, but never got what I wanted.

There used to be a subforum here for the Black Clouds remixes, so I'm pretty sure it's allowed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: soulburner on July 11, 2011, 06:35:41 AM
Well, my improvements aren't _that_ good, so don't expect much from this :blush My description might have been a little misleading ;)

Maybe it shouldn't be called an improvement, but simply a custom version of some sort. It's most likely too bassy, with too much treble and a million other stuff you could complain about (like the guitar ;)), but... I love it much, much more than the original CD. And my speakers are pretty bad ;)

Here's a few minute sample: https://przygarnij.e-net24.pl/_Shattered_Fortress_sample.mp3 (I'm on a slow network, so it would take ages to upload anything longer and/or better quality).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 11, 2011, 08:22:05 AM
Well, my improvements aren't _that_ good, so don't expect much from this :blush My description might have been a little misleading ;)

Maybe it shouldn't be called an improvement, but simply a custom version of some sort. It's most likely too bassy, with too much treble and a million other stuff you could complain about (like the guitar ;)), but... I love it much, much more than the original CD. And my speakers are pretty bad ;)

Here's a few minute sample: https://przygarnij.e-net24.pl/_Shattered_Fortress_sample.mp3 (I'm on a slow network, so it would take ages to upload anything longer and/or better quality).
Welcome!! I can feel the presence of the Polish brother down here.... :D ;D :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: soulburner on July 11, 2011, 01:31:53 PM
Welcome!! I can feel the presence of the Polish brother down here.... :D ;D :metal
:tup

There used to be a subforum here for the Black Clouds remixes, so I'm pretty sure it's allowed.
What happened to this subforum? There must have been many interesting thing there, and I only heard two versions, posted ages ago on some audio oriented forum.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 11, 2011, 02:22:03 PM
I enjoyed just listening to the isolated tracks, withour even mixing. Especially Jordans keyboard parts, some of them are just beautiful as they are, without the other instruments or vocals.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 12, 2011, 06:56:00 AM
Well Classic Rock Presents Prog says the new album is very, very impressive.  Rich Wilson has also heard it  :)  Why don't I work for them?  :'(
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 12, 2011, 07:01:48 AM
Rich Wilson is always lurking, please comment!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on July 12, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
Nice interview with James about the album and tour and other stuff...
Guess Which lyric JM wrote? :D

https://www.prog-sphere.com/2011/07/11/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 12, 2011, 12:32:58 PM
Nice interview with James about the album and tour and other stuff...
Guess Which lyric JM wrote? :D

https://www.prog-sphere.com/2011/07/11/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24613.0
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackwaterPerk on July 12, 2011, 12:55:01 PM
Didn't know about that thread... sorry   :blush
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 12, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
No worries.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on July 12, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
edit: link stopped working
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 12, 2011, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: Rich Wilson
Well they deserve some success with this album. It's a real grower and I think they've achieved what  they were aiming to produce - a "classic Dream Theater album". Of course we'd all like Mike there behind the kit, and in a funny way it almost feels disloyal for me to be liking this album, but you won't be disappointed. Beneath The Surface is one of the most beautiful things they've ever written.


From Voices UK forum.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 12, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: Rich Wilson
Well they deserve some success with this album. It's a real grower and I think they've achieved what  they were aiming to produce - a "classic Dream Theater album". Of course we'd all like Mike there behind the kit, and in a funny way it almost feels disloyal for me to be liking this album, but you won't be disappointed. Beneath The Surface is one of the most beautiful things they've ever written.


From Voices UK forum.
Wow, now my excitement is far too high... :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :chill...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 12, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: Rich Wilson
Of course we'd all like Mike [Portnoy] there behind the kit,


I wouldn't.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 12, 2011, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Rich Wilson
Of course we'd all like Mike [Portnoy] there behind the kit,


I wouldn't.

me neither - no disprect to Portnoy but im happy with things how they are now thank you very much!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 12, 2011, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: Rich Wilson
Of course we'd all like Mike [Portnoy] there behind the kit,


I wouldn't.

me neither - no disprect to Portnoy but im happy with things how they are now thank you very much!
QFT.

I really, really, really like Mangini's input on OTBOA. I can't wait for the ENTIRE album. So fucking pumped. :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on July 12, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
Me three!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on July 12, 2011, 10:04:41 PM
I really, really, really like Mangini's input on OTBOA.

He didn't write the drum lines though. I think Petrucci did.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 12, 2011, 10:06:10 PM
Petrucci wrote the drums as a demo component, MM took that and added his own spin to it while staying true to what JP sent him.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 12, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
I really, really, really like Mangini's input on OTBOA.

He didn't write the drum lines though. I think Petrucci did.
JP wrote what he was looking for (which was basic), but Mangini added everything beyond the basic point. And we all know there is hardly anything basic on the drums for the song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 13, 2011, 03:11:29 AM
Trust this forum to focus on what he said about MP, not on what he said about the quality of the album and Beneath the Surface.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 13, 2011, 06:31:41 AM
Trust this forum to focus on what he said about MP, not on what he said about the quality of the album and Beneath the Surface.  :lol

I appreciated reading Rich's comments on the album but I have no personal opinion on it yet because I havent heard it. However he also put that "We" would all like MP on the drums. It should have been "I". That is Rich's own personal opinion not all of ours - mine is that i'm glad MM is the drummer now because DT couldnt have continued as it was.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 13, 2011, 07:14:59 AM
Trust this forum to focus on what he said about MP, not on what he said about the quality of the album and Beneath the Surface.  :lol
Hearing about how good a song is doesn't shock me. I almost expect it. :lol

Hearing that someone still wants MP behind the kit, on the other hand, does shock me!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 13, 2011, 07:23:07 AM
I don't hate MP. But I'm not sad the way things turned out (nor would I change them).

JLB in that interview made the band look like if they were finally happy again.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 13, 2011, 01:34:17 PM
Trust this forum to focus on what he said about MP, not on what he said about the quality of the album and Beneath the Surface.  :lol
Says it all really. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 13, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
I appreciated reading Rich's comments on the album but I have no personal opinion on it yet because I havent heard it. However he also put that "We" would all like MP on the drums. It should have been "I". That is Rich's own personal opinion not all of ours - mine is that i'm glad MM is the drummer now because DT couldnt have continued as it was.

For those of us who don't have access to the magazine, are there any other particularly interesting moments in the review?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 13, 2011, 03:04:14 PM
I appreciated reading Rich's comments on the album but I have no personal opinion on it yet because I havent heard it. However he also put that "We" would all like MP on the drums. It should have been "I". That is Rich's own personal opinion not all of ours - mine is that i'm glad MM is the drummer now because DT couldnt have continued as it was.

For those of us who don't have access to the magazine, are there any other particularly interesting moments in the review?

Can you guys share what else has been said on this review? Now i'm curious about it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 13, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
It wasn't a full length review, just a post by Rich on the VoicesUK forum.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 13, 2011, 03:22:08 PM
I mean the review from Classic Rock Presents Prog. Is that the same?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 13, 2011, 03:23:02 PM
It wasn't a full length review, just a post by Rich on the VoicesUK forum.

yes, cyberdrummer is correct, i was merely commenting on the Voices UK post. Apologies if I worded that wrong!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 13, 2011, 03:28:44 PM
Lets wait for the Smeagol guy to tell us more about the Classic Rock Presents Prog review...  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 13, 2011, 04:30:01 PM
What was the Rich Wilson post then?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 13, 2011, 04:33:04 PM
Rick Wilson probably made the forum post.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 13, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
Trust this forum to focus on what he said about MP, not on what he said about the quality of the album and Beneath the Surface.  :lol
Says it all really. :lol

Not really. Lifting Shadows is a great book. But Rich's DT rankings are pretty fail, as far as I remember them (i.e., LiTS and ToT aren't included in FII's 'good' songs, the TA debut is better than BaF, etc).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 13, 2011, 08:41:58 PM
When do you guys think the track lengths will be released?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 13, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
When do you guys think the track lengths will be released?

They will be released when Nick stops deleting my posts.

Or exactly 3 weeks and 2 days.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 14, 2011, 02:06:42 AM
What was the Rich Wilson post then?

Quote from: Rich Wilson
Well they deserve some success with this album. It's a real grower and I think they've achieved what  they were aiming to produce - a "classic Dream Theater album". Of course we'd all like Mike there behind the kit, and in a funny way it almost feels disloyal for me to be liking this album, but you won't be disappointed. Beneath The Surface is one of the most beautiful things they've ever written.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dreamer81 on July 14, 2011, 04:17:06 AM
what popped out in an online store:

A Dramatic Turn Of Events (CD & DVD)
Artist: Dream Theater

EUR 11.49 Free delivery

Pre-order
Due for release on 12 September 2011.

 :omg: :omg:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on July 14, 2011, 05:43:29 AM
Probably just comes with the "The Spirit Carries On" documentary.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 14, 2011, 05:48:54 AM
Probably just comes with the "The Spirit Carries On" documentary.

Plus a Mike Mangini interview in Cove City too isn't it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 14, 2011, 06:02:12 AM
Hm, I can't find it...what is that store?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dreamer81 on July 14, 2011, 06:04:29 AM
Is a UK store, play.com
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Xanthul on July 14, 2011, 06:06:22 AM
Yeah, I already preordered it there. It's a pretty nice store, they don't charge for shipping to a lot of countries (at least to Spain they don't).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 14, 2011, 06:08:48 AM
Apparently MP is going to do a guest spot on That Metal Show. Do you think Eddie Trunk's going to ask him about OTBOA and/or DT at all?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 14, 2011, 06:18:07 AM
    On The Backs Of Angels
    Build Me Up, Break Me Down
    Lost Not Forgotten
    This Is The Life
    Bridges In The Sky  ??? ??? ???  :o
    Outcry
    Far From Heaven
    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface

Where is The Shaman's Trance? It's track listing from play.com. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 14, 2011, 06:23:42 AM
Probably just comes with the "The Spirit Carries On" documentary.

Plus a Mike Mangini interview in Cove City too isn't it?

I hope it's more than that. If it's just TSCO, I might not get it. Unless it's extended by a good amount, or something. Or unless it has some live footage from the Black Clouds tour. That would be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 14, 2011, 07:02:50 AM
Apparently MP is going to do a guest spot on That Metal Show. Do you think Eddie Trunk's going to ask him about OTBOA and/or DT at all?

I hope so. But I doubt it.

Where will one be able to listen to and/or watch this show?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 14, 2011, 07:08:14 AM
Apparently MP is going to do a guest spot on That Metal Show. Do you think Eddie Trunk's going to ask him about OTBOA and/or DT at all?

I hope so. But I doubt it.

Where will one be able to listen to and/or watch this show?

I don't know, I just saw this on his twitter:

"Gonna be fun joining my buddies @EddieTrunk, @realdonjamieson and @Mrjimflorentine for another guest spot on this season's That Metal Show"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 14, 2011, 07:08:48 AM
vh1 classic
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 14, 2011, 08:01:18 AM

I don't know, I just saw this on his twitter:

"Gonna be fun joining my buddies @EddieTrunk, @realdonjamieson and @Mrjimflorentine for another guest spot on this season's That Metal Show"

Alright :)

vh1 classic

If one can't possibly access VH1 Classic?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bertoltus on July 14, 2011, 08:02:20 AM
   On The Backs Of Angels
    Build Me Up, Break Me Down
    Lost Not Forgotten
    This Is The Life
    Bridges In The Sky  ??? ??? ???  :o
    Outcry
    Far From Heaven
    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface

Where is The Shaman's Trance? It's track listing from play.com.  
Holy carp, you're right!
Maybe they changed the title to fit the album cover?

btw, here's the link:
https://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/21404245/A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events/Product.html
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 14, 2011, 08:05:19 AM
i like bridges in the sky as a song title
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 14, 2011, 08:46:03 AM
Trust this forum to focus on what he said about MP, not on what he said about the quality of the album and Beneath the Surface.  :lol
Says it all really. :lol

Not really. Lifting Shadows is a great book. But Rich's DT rankings are pretty fail, as far as I remember them (i.e., LiTS and ToT aren't included in FII's 'good' songs, the TA debut is better than BaF, etc).

Heh, yeah, I definitely remember some of his opinions being of the WTF variety. :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2011, 09:06:25 AM
    On The Backs Of Angels
    Build Me Up, Break Me Down
    Lost Not Forgotten
    This Is The Life
    Bridges In The Sky  ??? ??? ???  :o
    Outcry
    Far From Heaven
    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface

Where is The Shaman's Trance? It's track listing from play.com. 
Holy carp, you're right!

I've never heard of a holy carp before.  I think you may be thinking of this:
:magikarp:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 14, 2011, 10:05:15 AM
    On The Backs Of Angels
    Build Me Up, Break Me Down
    Lost Not Forgotten
    This Is The Life
    Bridges In The Sky  ??? ??? ???  :o
    Outcry
    Far From Heaven
    Breaking All Illusions
    Beneath The Surface

Where is The Shaman's Trance? It's track listing from play.com. 
Holy carp, you're right!

I've never heard of a holy carp before.  I think you may be thinking of this:
:magikarp:
:lol
Haha good one Bosky ;) Anyway, I still think that is some mistake from play.com... It would be so weird for DT to change name of the one track before the release... And the tracklist has been announced few weeks earlier...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 14, 2011, 10:27:30 AM
How on earth can someone make the mistake "Bridges in the Sky" from "The Shamans Trance"  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on July 14, 2011, 10:36:12 AM
I bet it's still an instrumental, as both titles are so different.

I hope the CD/DVD package has some studio footage. If it's the TSCO documentary, I'll just get the single CD, I don't really care to watch the documentary
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 14, 2011, 10:45:50 AM
Well it could not be an instrumental, and instead of the song title they mistakenly posted a line from the song. I've seen that happen before, although I guess never for a yet-unreleased song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 14, 2011, 10:49:24 AM
I'd like to see what JP or JLB would say about the sudden track name change (or if it is a mistake on play.com's part).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 14, 2011, 11:37:24 AM
I was listening to Wither and it got me thinking if we'll see a similar song or better on ADToE.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on July 14, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
R.I.P Shaman's Trance  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 14, 2011, 12:24:20 PM
R.I.P Shaman's Trance  :sadpanda:

I refuse to believe it!!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 14, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
we should do a poll of which we like better.

shaman's trance isnt bad, its just the worst one on there and is pretty goofy. bridges in the sky fits better, but i doubt RR would mistake it/DT change it after announcement
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on July 14, 2011, 12:35:02 PM
i like bridges in the sky as a song title
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 14, 2011, 12:38:45 PM
@RichWilson33 And for those who asked, the new DT album is awesome (and I'm not just saying that!). Trust me when I say it's worth the wait.

Lucky bastard. As if I'm not curious enough.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 14, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
If play.com is the only site to list "Bridges in the Sky" as a song title, I bet it was just an idiotic mistake on their part. Websites do that every now and then.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on July 14, 2011, 03:08:52 PM

shaman's trance isnt bad, its just the worst one on there and is pretty goofy.


(https://i.imgur.com/VF7O3.gif)

Gumby doesn't put up with your shit
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Post by: Global Laziness on July 14, 2011, 03:32:20 PM
Great caption! :lol
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Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 14, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
Great caption! :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on July 14, 2011, 04:44:21 PM
A couple foreign language websites, also announced a change from The Shaman's Trance to Bridges in the Sky, dating about 2 days ago.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on July 14, 2011, 04:46:12 PM
A couple foreign language websites, also announced a change from The Shaman's Trance to Bridges in the Sky, dating about 2 days ago.

How did they "announce" it exactly?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 14, 2011, 05:14:55 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it "The Shaman Trance'' seems like a work title. They used to put on some temporary title as seen on previous documentaries.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2011, 05:52:16 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it "The Shaman Trance'' seems like a work title. They used to put on some temporary title as seen on previous documentaries.

Not necessarily.  If a distributor gave the wrong name to a few sellers, or the seller is the only one who has so far put out the name, it's likely just other sites perpetuating the faulty info.  As has been said earlier in the thread, it is very common to have wrong info posted this early.  Doesn't necessarily mean the song name has changed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 14, 2011, 08:30:35 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it "The Shaman Trance'' seems like a work title. They used to put on some temporary title as seen on previous documentaries.

Not necessarily.  If a distributor gave the wrong name to a few sellers, or the seller is the only one who has so far put out the name, it's likely just other sites perpetuating the faulty info.  As has been said earlier in the thread, it is very common to have wrong info posted this early.  Doesn't necessarily mean the song name has changed.

Truth.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 14, 2011, 08:58:51 PM
I like both names actually, but Bridges in the Sky sounds a little nicer to me. Reminds me of Stairway to Heaven  :heart
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: metropofreak on July 15, 2011, 01:27:14 AM
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=bg&u=https://freerock.eu/article.php%3Farticle_id%3D33271&ei=4-kfToqFMIGj8QOy2uC2Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDsQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshaman%2527s%2Btrance%2Bbridges%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bsky%2Bdream%2Btheater%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D0wI%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D750%26prmd%3Divns

Here is one of the sites announcing the name change, but I cant see any source.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on July 15, 2011, 02:01:51 AM
Ohhh I like the name Bridges In The Sky, bring it on  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 15, 2011, 02:50:30 AM
I don't mind the name change at all. Not that I disliked The Shaman's Trance as a song name in the first place...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 15, 2011, 06:53:48 AM
If one can't possibly access VH1 Classic?

One can watch full episodes on their website.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 15, 2011, 07:37:10 AM
Hoping the name change is legit, as Bridges in the Sky is a significantly cooler name than The Shaman's Trance was.

I can't imagine where Play.com would've got the information from. They wouldn't make it up, and it certainly wouldn't've come from any lyrics - when companies put up tracklistings, they don't listen to the CD and guess, they either get it from the source or a physical copy. My guess is that the band had a change of heart before printing, and so the physical copy no longer matches the press release.

It happens. I remember a few years back the Radio Times - the biggest TV listings magazine in the UK - were making a big kerfuffle over the fact that they had the exclusive rights to reveal the titles of the new series of Doctor Who.

Everyone bought the magazine, and pored over the titles, along with information about the writers, summaries of the episodes, etc. etc.:

1. Partners in Crime
2. The Fires of Pompeii
3. Planet of the Ood
4. The Sontaran Stratagem
5. The Poison Sky
6. The Doctor's Daughter
7. The Unicorn and the Wasp
8. Silence in the Library
9. River's Run
10. Midnight
11. Turn Left
12. TBC
13. Journey's End

...but then, within about two days of having been released all up and down the UK, circulating through over a million households - River's Run had changed its name to Forest of the Dead. The biggest drama in the UK just went "Yeah, about that? Turns out, no." Contrary to every press release and sliver of information that had hence been released. It happens! Post-publication, someone goes "actually, how about this?" and rather than leave it be for the sake of some announcement, they go "you know what? that's better, and there's still time," and so they swap things around. And you can kinda see why they'd change The Shaman's Trance. Bit of an odd name, certainly.

There's precedent. It'd make sense, and I'm not sure where Play.com would've got Bridges in the Sky from were there not a grain of truth. Even if they've maybe since gone back on it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 15, 2011, 08:07:06 AM
It will allways be 'The Shaman's Trance' in my heart.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 15, 2011, 08:36:44 AM
If one can't possibly access VH1 Classic?

One can watch full episodes on their website.

Awesome  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on July 15, 2011, 01:32:47 PM
I can't wait for the album too. I also find it a bit funny and ironic that Mike will probably be put in Kevin's shoes since the album is released because every interview he gives will have the same questions: did you listen to it, what do you think?
Could inspire him to write a reverse Raise the Knife song, who knows :D

If the song title makes me wonder (if legit): what type of a song would fit both those names that are so different from each other?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: unklejman on July 15, 2011, 02:17:38 PM
I can't wait for the album too. I also find it a bit funny and ironic that Mike will probably be put in Kevin's shoes since the album is released because every interview he gives will have the same questions: did you listen to it, what do you think?
Could inspire him to write a reverse Raise the Knife song, who knows :D

If the song title makes me wonder (if legit): what type of a song would fit both those names that are so different from each other?

A lot of people have speculated that it was an instrumental. This makes it even more plausible.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Fuzzboy on July 15, 2011, 03:42:32 PM
ugh, good riddance. Shaman's Trance sounded cheesy as fack
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 15, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
announcement or it didnt happen
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Lowdz on July 15, 2011, 04:19:56 PM
I like the title Shaman's Trance, but only if there's a big Native American feel, especially in the drums.  :D If it's generic DT instrumental (if there is such a thing) I prefer Bridges In The Sky.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on July 15, 2011, 08:28:29 PM
announcement or it didnt happen
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 15, 2011, 08:29:13 PM
Alright fine.

Announcement:

Dream Theater have changed the title of The Shaman's trance to Bridges in the Sky.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 15, 2011, 09:24:56 PM
no u
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on July 15, 2011, 09:51:47 PM
i'm indifferent between the two song names. As long as the song is killer who cares
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 15, 2011, 10:56:14 PM
i'm indifferent between the two song names. As long as the song is killer who cares
This is DTF.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on July 15, 2011, 11:01:10 PM
weCare
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 15, 2011, 11:03:52 PM
DTF: We care.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 15, 2011, 11:56:38 PM
Good riddance if it's true.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 16, 2011, 12:43:47 AM
I like the new title more, if it's the truth. 

Though, I think a couple of the existing titles could use some sprucing, as well:

BMU,BMD- I Get Up, I Get Down
BTS- John's Psychedelic Breakfast


Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 16, 2011, 05:03:59 AM
Where I can pre-order ADToE? Play.com do not deliver in my country
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on July 16, 2011, 12:21:20 PM
Bridges in the Sky is an amazing title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 16, 2011, 12:51:57 PM
Dream Theater found out that Aniland had called track 5 as the most lauded song on the album, so they decided to change the song's title to accomodate him.

...

That being said, I actually like The Shaman's Trance better.  It just has a more unique feel to it.

But I will say this for Bridges in the Sky: it makes more sense for the album.  The tracklisting is more cohesive with BitS.  Thematically, TST was the oddball title of the bunch, in my mind.  Plus, Bridges in the Sky makes infinitely more sense with the album cover.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 16, 2011, 12:52:29 PM
Bridges in the Sky is an amazing title.
I like Shaman's Trance better
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 16, 2011, 01:05:51 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 16, 2011, 02:09:09 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Well that'd be just brilliant, 'cause then we'd all be looking forward to BITS, which is a fantastic acronym.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 16, 2011, 02:12:07 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Well that'd be just brilliant, 'cause then we'd all be looking forward to BITS, which is a fantastic acronym.

Bridges In The Cloudy Heaven would be even more brilliant for that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 16, 2011, 03:03:33 PM
I hope that ADToE artwork is just a joke :-\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on July 16, 2011, 03:04:18 PM
I hope that ADToE artwork is just a joke :-\

I hope its not. Its lovely
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 16, 2011, 03:32:09 PM
I still think there should have been a song called John's Psychedelic Breakfast.  Just putting it out there. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 16, 2011, 03:33:46 PM
I still think there should have been a song called John's Psychedelic Breakfast.  Just putting it out there. 

Sounds early Pink Floydish  :laugh:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 16, 2011, 03:35:27 PM
Bridges In The Cloudy Heaven would be even more brilliant for that.
That would be ny favorite album, hands down. Before even hearing the music.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 16, 2011, 06:41:47 PM
I hope that ADToE artwork is just a joke :-\

lol?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 16, 2011, 07:11:30 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?

For the sake of discussion, no.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 16, 2011, 07:14:24 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 16, 2011, 07:28:15 PM
:biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on July 16, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Well that would certainly be a dramatic turn of

ah screw it.

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 16, 2011, 07:42:33 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Well that would certainly be a dramatic turn of

ah screw it.



We could always call it E1ev1n.  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 16, 2011, 07:45:45 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Well that would certainly be a dramatic turn of

ah screw it.



We could always call it E1ev1n.  :neverusethis:


Dream Theater is nowhere near as hip as Megadeth.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 16, 2011, 07:55:29 PM
I want to put this out here, just for the sake of discussion:

What if Bridges in the Sky was the album title?
Well that would certainly be a dramatic turn of

ah screw it.



We could always call it E1ev1n.  :neverusethis:


Dream Theater is nowhere near as hip as Megadeth.

Well, that's a shit sandwhich.  If DT's not even up to Megadeth's level of hip-hoppitiness, how the hell's the new album supposed to outsell Dedicated to Chaos?  It doesn't even have any titles with misspelled words!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on July 16, 2011, 09:45:06 PM
I like the name The Shaman's Trance because it's pretty different for DT and got a lot of people wondering what the song might be like. Bridges in the Sky is more generic. It makes me think of Bridge Across Forever, actually, which is my favorite album ever, but I don't need more DT-related mysterious bridge titles. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: atmyne on July 16, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
this may be a bit of a far-fetched hypothesis, but maybe the song name "the shamans trance", if it has in fact been changed, was dismissed as it could be a form of drug reference.
shamans have been known to utilize or advocate the use of psychoactive drugs, notably psilocyben mushrooms and dimethyltryptamine (DMT, from native plants, leaves etc.) in order to "discover" one's self and their place in nature (or something like that :lol). In this psychoactive state, a shamans chant is utilized to help induce a particular state of mind under the influence of these substances.
Maybe the potential allusion of drug-use could be a reason to change the name?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on July 17, 2011, 08:06:11 AM
But why would that be a problem?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: unklejman on July 17, 2011, 04:51:54 PM
I would guess that if it was changed, it's because it doesn't fit with the feel of the rest of the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 17, 2011, 04:59:57 PM
The bridge in the sky keeps on burnin'
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 17, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
The bridge in the sky keeps on burnin'

Journey reference?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 17, 2011, 05:12:47 PM
The bridge in the sky keeps on burnin'

Journey reference?

Maybe...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 17, 2011, 06:04:15 PM
this may be a bit of a far-fetched hypothesis, but maybe the song name "the shamans trance", if it has in fact been changed, was dismissed as it could be a form of drug reference.
shamans have been known to utilize or advocate the use of psychoactive drugs, notably psilocyben mushrooms and dimethyltryptamine (DMT, from native plants, leaves etc.) in order to "discover" one's self and their place in nature (or something like that :lol). In this psychoactive state, a shamans chant is utilized to help induce a particular state of mind under the influence of these substances.
Maybe the potential allusion of drug-use could be a reason to change the name?
Well, that is far-fetched.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 17, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
this may be a bit of a far-fetched hypothesis, but maybe the song name "the shamans trance", if it has in fact been changed, was dismissed as it could be a form of drug reference.
shamans have been known to utilize or advocate the use of psychoactive drugs, notably psilocyben mushrooms and dimethyltryptamine (DMT, from native plants, leaves etc.) in order to "discover" one's self and their place in nature (or something like that :lol). In this psychoactive state, a shamans chant is utilized to help induce a particular state of mind under the influence of these substances.
Maybe the potential allusion of drug-use could be a reason to change the name?
They have an entire series of songs based on alcohol, and they have covered an entire Pink Floyd album, a band who is best known for drug influences... I doubt DT is worried about people speculating about drugs because they have a title with the word "shaman" in it lol.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 18, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
Pink Floyd is NOT best known for drug influences.  Just because they made music that was great to get stoned to doesn't mean they were on drugs at the time, least of all that that is what they are most known for.  Heck, Roger Waters is on record as admitting that he has done drugs twice in his life (as of the mid 90s).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: italianoman on July 19, 2011, 12:37:37 AM
I'm firmly in the Bridges in the Sky camp on this one...I never liked Shaman's Trance; sounds like a guaranteed-to-be insane Steve Vai track, not DT. That said, it seems like it'd be difficult to rename a song (with a title that seems to share no obvious relation to the previous) with lyrical content so this pushes it a bit towards the 'instrumental' side of the fence in my eyes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 19, 2011, 12:40:14 AM
John Myung confirmed in an interview that they changed the title because it sounded too spooky.

(I'm sorry, but coupled with the news feed on here and having just watched that DVD again, I couldn't let it go)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 19, 2011, 02:32:10 AM
John Myung confirmed in an interview that they changed the title because it sounded too spooky.

(I'm sorry, but coupled with the news feed on here and having just watched that DVD again, I couldn't let it go)
I honestly believed that for about two seconds.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 19, 2011, 03:04:54 AM
John Myung confirmed in an interview that they changed the title because it sounded too spooky.

(I'm sorry, but coupled with the news feed on here and having just watched that DVD again, I couldn't let it go)
I honestly believed that for about two seconds.
Me too :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on July 19, 2011, 09:41:38 AM
With the instrumental disc being confirmed as part of a special edition, it seems likely that none of the tracks will be instrumental on the full record.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 19, 2011, 09:49:07 AM
So wait.

The Shaman's trance WILL be an instrumental






























































































































No, for real, on the 2nd disc. That's not a joke.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 19, 2011, 09:50:12 AM
With the instrumental disc being confirmed as part of a special edition, it seems likely that none of the tracks will be instrumental on the full record.

Not necessarily, I still think there's a possibility of an instrumental track (although unlikely at this point).  When they released the instrumental versions of BC&SL they were not only missing the vocals but also guitar/key solos.  I wouldn't be surprised that if there IS an instrumental track, they included it on the instrumental CD just to be thorough, and perhaps removed the solos and just left the rhythm instrumental.  I would be ok with listening to that, if it was a really cool instrumental.

However I would place my bets on no instrumental for this album.  There hasn't been an instrumental track since... Train of Thought?  There probably wont be another one any time soon.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on July 19, 2011, 10:36:26 AM
I never understood why they removed the lead guitar from the BC&SL instrumental mixes...I hope they leave them in this time
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 19, 2011, 10:42:42 AM
I never understood why they removed the lead guitar from the BC&SL instrumental mixes...I hope they leave them in this time

I always assumed it was to not make James feel like he was being the only one cut out of the mix, so they cut out some of JP and JR's stuff as well, for the instrumentals.

I also think it was for people to more easily hear the rhythm sections underneath the solos if they wanted to recreate it with a cover band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 19, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
Its so people can play along.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on July 19, 2011, 11:04:02 AM
With the instrumental disc being confirmed as part of a special edition, it seems likely that none of the tracks will be instrumental on the full record.

Not necessarily, I still think there's a possibility of an instrumental track (although unlikely at this point).  When they released the instrumental versions of BC&SL they were not only missing the vocals but also guitar/key solos.  I wouldn't be surprised that if there IS an instrumental track, they included it on the instrumental CD just to be thorough, and perhaps removed the solos and just left the rhythm instrumental.  I would be ok with listening to that, if it was a really cool instrumental.

However I would place my bets on no instrumental for this album.  There hasn't been an instrumental track since... Train of Thought?  There probably wont be another one any time soon.

I don't see how they would release the same thing twice on the same album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: unklejman on July 19, 2011, 11:05:05 AM
Well if the second one had leads removed like on Black Clouds....
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 19, 2011, 11:46:58 AM
With the instrumental disc being confirmed as part of a special edition, it seems likely that none of the tracks will be instrumental on the full record.

Not necessarily, I still think there's a possibility of an instrumental track (although unlikely at this point).  When they released the instrumental versions of BC&SL they were not only missing the vocals but also guitar/key solos.  I wouldn't be surprised that if there IS an instrumental track, they included it on the instrumental CD just to be thorough, and perhaps removed the solos and just left the rhythm instrumental.  I would be ok with listening to that, if it was a really cool instrumental.

However I would place my bets on no instrumental for this album.  There hasn't been an instrumental track since... Train of Thought?  There probably wont be another one any time soon.

I don't see how they would release the same thing twice on the same album.
I've said this elsewhere, but if you were releasing an instrumental edition of Train of Thought, would you segue Vacant straight into In the Name of God?

Throwing in the instrumental as-is allows the instrumental album to flow as the lyrical album should. It's not just a collection of instrumentals to download and chuck into a playlist, it's the album sans lyrics. They'd keep Bridges in the Sky whichever way.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 19, 2011, 11:47:25 AM
According to Roadrunner the tracklengths are as followed:

They are all 26 minutes long with a 37 second coda.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 19, 2011, 11:51:03 AM
Just got another reply:
I think it's worth a small news post later in the week!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Tracklengths coming this week :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 19, 2011, 12:18:07 PM
Just got another reply:
I think it's worth a small news post later in the week!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Tracklengths coming this week :D

Good news. I'm curious bout that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on July 19, 2011, 12:26:58 PM
Just got another reply:
I think it's worth a small news post later in the week!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Tracklengths coming this week :D

Νice! Thanks for asking Johny!
I really hope they kept long songs at a minimum.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 19, 2011, 12:32:33 PM
I'm gonna predict that Breaking All Illusions is the longest song on the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on July 19, 2011, 12:33:36 PM
I really enjoy the instrumentals on BC&SL, sometimes I think I like them better than the originals.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 19, 2011, 12:37:40 PM
^ Same here.

I'm gonna predict that Breaking All Illusions is the longest song on the album.
I will predict that too. I used to think it was going to be Beneath the Surface until it was announced it was JP's "own" song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on July 19, 2011, 12:53:29 PM
Looking forward to track lengths!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 19, 2011, 02:26:15 PM
Should be interesting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 19, 2011, 08:12:57 PM
James confirmed the change of title:
"Hey Everyone, Yes 'Bridges in the Sky' is in fact Shaman's. Make a note of it and enjoy while listening. Although you'll have to wait a bit."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 19, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
I guess they felt they didn't need a press release.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 19, 2011, 11:50:22 PM
I don't know what is going on with track 5, :P but I'm looking very forward to track lenghts  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on July 20, 2011, 06:41:57 AM
Quote from:  Piratecjs
JP wrote the lyrics for what was originally titled Shamans' but there was a line in the song that says Bridges in the Sky hence the new name

So there you have it, its not instrumental...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2011, 08:10:38 AM
Again, nobody ever said it was.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 20, 2011, 08:13:22 AM
Again, nobody ever said it was.

Well, lots of people said it was. Just no-one important  :biggrin:

Shucks am I disappointed that Raw Dog isn't going to be included on this album or the bonus disc
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 20, 2011, 08:20:32 AM
For some reason people assumed that because it had a weird name that didn't fit the rest of the songs, that was proof enough to start saying its an instrumental.  Well now they changed the name to something more appropriate, they probably realized it sounded out of place as well...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 20, 2011, 08:35:15 AM
Again, nobody ever said it was.

Well, lots of people said it was. Just no-one important  :biggrin:

Shucks am I disappointed that Raw Dog isn't going to be included on this album or the bonus disc

GOD WAR
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elaitch on July 20, 2011, 11:16:36 AM
Shucks am I disappointed that Raw Dog isn't going to be included on this album or the bonus disc

I hope you're kidding.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on July 20, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
Shucks am I disappointed that Raw Dog isn't going to be included on this album or the bonus disc

I hope you're kidding.

He totally isn't... I wish it was on there too! We need "Raw Dog" in 5.1 Surround!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 20, 2011, 01:51:57 PM
Again, nobody ever said it was.
I don't know where you've been, but a lot have been speculating that it was. :lol  I pretty sure that's what he meant
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
No, I mean nobody associated with the band.  Some random fan on the Internet randomly speculating that something might be true means nothing.  I think I might have seen a post where someone said that on release day, DT was going to stetch actual tightropes across the sky and hire clowns to ride across them on unicycles.  Should I act shocked and disappointed when that doesn't happen?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 20, 2011, 02:00:28 PM
No, I mean nobody associated with the band.  Some random fan on the Internet randomly speculating that something might be true means nothing.  I think I might have seen a post where someone said that on release day, DT was going to stetch actual tightropes across the sky and hire clowns to ride across them on unicycles.  Should I act shocked and disappointed when that doesn't happen?  I don't think so.

That would be pretty interesting, though.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 20, 2011, 02:04:12 PM
No, I mean nobody associated with the band.  Some random fan on the Internet randomly speculating that something might be true means nothing.  I think I might have seen a post where someone said that on release day, DT was going to stetch actual tightropes across the sky and hire clowns to ride across them on unicycles.  Should I act shocked and disappointed when that doesn't happen?  I don't think so.

Well, true, but quite a chunk of fans had speculated that it would be an instrumental.  Just like the lyricist for OtBoA - most of us speculated that JLB wrote it, and were therefore a bit surprised when JR said that JP wrote it.  What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: IdoSC on July 20, 2011, 02:18:21 PM
No, I mean nobody associated with the band.  Some random fan on the Internet randomly speculating that something might be true means nothing.  I think I might have seen a post where someone said that on release day, DT was going to stetch actual tightropes across the sky and hire clowns to ride across them on unicycles.  Should I act shocked and disappointed when that doesn't happen?  I don't think so.

Well, true, but quite a chunk of fans had speculated that it would be an instrumental.  Just like the lyricist for OtBoA - most of us speculated that JLB wrote it, and were therefore a bit surprised when JR said that JP wrote it.  What's wrong with that?
That's the point actually...the fans assumed JLB wrote OTBOA, and they were wrong. The fans assumed TST/BITS is an instrumental, they were wrong. The underline is - if it's just speculation, take it with a grain of salt.




Actually, don't take it. At all. Just wait for official info ^^
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 20, 2011, 02:23:12 PM
No, I mean nobody associated with the band.  Some random fan on the Internet randomly speculating that something might be true means nothing.  I think I might have seen a post where someone said that on release day, DT was going to stetch actual tightropes across the sky and hire clowns to ride across them on unicycles.  Should I act shocked and disappointed when that doesn't happen?  I don't think so.

Well, true, but quite a chunk of fans had speculated that it would be an instrumental.  Just like the lyricist for OtBoA - most of us speculated that JLB wrote it, and were therefore a bit surprised when JR said that JP wrote it.  What's wrong with that?
That's the point actually...the fans assumed JLB wrote OTBOA, and they were wrong. The fans assumed TST/BITS is an instrumental, they were wrong. The underline is - if it's just speculation, take it with a grain of salt.




Actually, don't take it. At all. Just wait for official info ^^

No, I understand that.  I just don't see what's wrong with commenting on the fan speculation being proven wrong.

Like, for instance, how we're all going to laugh at Aniland if track 5 isn't the most lauded song on the album.  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ronnibran on July 20, 2011, 03:41:49 PM
It's probably already been posted somewhere else a dozen times by now, but James just twittered that JP wrote the lyrics for the "bridges in the sky" or whatever the name is.

edit: ha ha, I see that someone already did post it.  I only assumed no one did because I didn't see a million posts about it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 20, 2011, 10:10:06 PM
No, I mean nobody associated with the band.  Some random fan on the Internet randomly speculating that something might be true means nothing.  I think I might have seen a post where someone said that on release day, DT was going to stetch actual tightropes across the sky and hire clowns to ride across them on unicycles.  Should I act shocked and disappointed when that doesn't happen?  I don't think so.
That would be the best live show ever.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 21, 2011, 12:00:05 AM
Sorry for asking, but I'm getting lost with this ;) How do We know of track lenghts that it will be revealed in next week?  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 21, 2011, 03:43:27 AM
Sorry for asking, but I'm getting lost with this ;) How do We know of track lenghts that it will be revealed in next week?  ;D

This week!  And because I asked Roadrunner when they would release them and they replied with this:
I think it's worth a small news post later in the week!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 21, 2011, 04:05:20 AM
Sorry for asking, but I'm getting lost with this ;) How do We know of track lenghts that it will be revealed in next week?  ;D

This week!  And because I asked Roadrunner when they would release them and they replied with this:
I think it's worth a small news post later in the week!

LOL, You asked and They answered just like that? impressive  :metal in that case I can't wait ;) Thanks :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on July 21, 2011, 04:11:15 AM
I wonder when the previews will be released  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 21, 2011, 04:17:57 AM
I wonder when the previews will be released  :P
If they will be released... They have been released with BC&SL though...I don't remember how fast before release anyway...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 21, 2011, 05:07:59 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 21, 2011, 05:34:17 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? (...)
Yeah, now I do realise...  :|
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on July 21, 2011, 05:37:56 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.

The press have it now, by the looks of things

Metal Hammer Writer Dom Lawson's twitter, look about 10 tweens down. (https://twitter.com/#!/Dom_Lawson)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 21, 2011, 05:42:25 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.

The press have it now, by the looks of things

Metal Hammer Writer Dom Lawson's twitter, look about 10 tweens down. (https://twitter.com/#!/Dom_Lawson)
Interesting, RR is not afraid of leaking some material?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 21, 2011, 05:43:36 AM
I think that the big magazines, like Metal Hammer, have a certain trust policy regarding that; it's the "small" journalists who are likely to leak new albums imo.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on July 21, 2011, 08:05:12 AM
I think that the big magazines, like Metal Hammer, have a certain trust policy regarding that; it's the "small" journalists who are likely to leak new albums imo.

Yeah it won't leak from a big magazine. It's when amateur journos get a hold of it that leaks happen.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 21, 2011, 08:12:18 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.

Aside from the bigger journalist apparently having it, I still tend to agree with you.  At this point, RR wants to let the hype machine incubate for the upcoming warm gooey explosion of people telling you you need the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 21, 2011, 08:18:10 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.

The press have it now, by the looks of things

Metal Hammer Writer Dom Lawson's twitter, look about 10 tweens down. (https://twitter.com/#!/Dom_Lawson)

can someone post the tweet? i cant get on twitter here
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 21, 2011, 08:21:21 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.

The press have it now, by the looks of things

Metal Hammer Writer Dom Lawson's twitter, look about 10 tweens down. (https://twitter.com/#!/Dom_Lawson)

can someone post the tweet? i cant get on twitter here

"#nowplaying Dream Theater - A Dramatic Turn Of Events"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 21, 2011, 08:23:50 AM
You guys do realise that it's still seven weeks until the release, right? My guess is that it will be still two or three weeks until we get the previews for the songs, most likely when the promo copies are distributed.

The press have it now, by the looks of things

Metal Hammer Writer Dom Lawson's twitter, look about 10 tweens down. (https://twitter.com/#!/Dom_Lawson)

can someone post the tweet? i cant get on twitter here

"#nowplaying Dream Theater - A Dramatic Turn Of Events"

thanks


when do the major magazines start publishing reviews?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JoSeM90DT on July 21, 2011, 08:38:58 AM
Official track lengths:

1. On the Backs of Angels  (8:46)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
3. Lost Not Forgotten  (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
5. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry (11:24)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions  (12:25)
9. Beneath the Surface  (5:26)

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=111612
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 21, 2011, 08:40:08 AM
Wow, a couple of lengthy ones there. I like!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2011, 08:40:17 AM
3. Lost Not Forgotten  (10:11)

YES!!!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 21, 2011, 08:42:23 AM
Far From Heaven (3:56) <-- possible single?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 21, 2011, 08:43:41 AM
Official track lengths:

1. On the Backs of Angels  (8:46)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
3. Lost Not Forgotten  (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
5. Bridges in the Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry (11:24)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions  (12:25)
9. Beneath the Surface  (5:26)

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=111612
I love that! Nothing too long, but still a few longer tunes! It has sort of an SFAM feel with the track lengths.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on July 21, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
It's a nice change that the last song is short compared to most closing songs on previous albums.
Nice mix of longer and shorter songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 21, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
Wow, I can't remember when DT album was closing with shorter track.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 21, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
Nothing over 15 minutes, 4 tracks over 10 minutes - should be interesting!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on July 21, 2011, 08:54:24 AM
Wow. If I had tried to predict the lengths, I would have been wrong for most of these. Who would tell they'd close the album with such a short song? It's also an interesting change that the longest song is actually twelve and a half minutes. Very nice info.

Also, Far from heaven is 3:56? If this isn't an intro to Breaking all illusions a la Wait for sleep, and if it isn't an instrumental, we have a perfect track for Dream Theater to perform on Conan.   ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 21, 2011, 09:35:38 AM
Somehow, I'm quite glad that there's no 20-minute song on this album. The track lenghts remind me a lot of FII and a bit of the first disc of SDOIT, which makes me quite happy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 21, 2011, 09:40:54 AM
Probably the track I'm waiting for now the most is Beneath the Surface.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 21, 2011, 09:42:02 AM
Perfect song lengths if you ask me. That 4 minute song should be interesting. Overall though, I'm surprised that the last track is shorter than the one before it
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Benedettosoxfan on July 21, 2011, 09:51:28 AM
Hi guys, long time lurker, first time poster.
So, with the track listings being revealed, I have to say that I'm really surprised with the majority of the lengths. It definitely doesn't seem like a typical album structure. Having said that, I'm not quite sure whether or not this made me more or less excited for the album. I think a lot of it will have to do with the decision to put Beneath the Surface as the closer. We all know that the closer is supposed to be the giant knockout punch that puts you in a musical coma until the next album, but at only 5:26, I'm not sure if it'll be able to do that. The only other closer in their discography if I'm not mistaken is Space Dye Vest, which was in my opinion by far their most unique song and an overall incredible tune. I'm gonna speculate that they're trying to make Beneath the Surface as kind of another SDV sort of song. Just the title "Beneath the Surface" sounds quite introspective and I'm confident they could come up with some really great lyrics and make it the best it can be.
As for some other songs, I'm not surprised that Breaking All Illusions is the longest one. I actually had a dream a while ago that it was the best and longest song on the album. I still think it will be the best just because it sounds like it would be an epic and it has the length to become one. I heard that this is the Myung song so that makes it even better. The man is 4 for 4 when it comes to making awesome songs and he's written 2 awesome closers. Not to mention, it's been 12 years since he's contributed a song. I'm sure that over the course of a dozen years he managed to think of a real doozy.
The Shaman's Bridge or whatever it's called this week I'm sure will be an awesome song. It's pretty much been confirmed that it's not an instrumental, which kind of bums me out as I really thought this album could use an instrumental. If for whatever reason one of the other songs is an instrumental, awesome. If not, the album will still rock.
Speaking of rock, I now have a very good feeling about Outcry. It sounds like a metal type song, and if it's over 11 minutes, I have high hopes for it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 21, 2011, 10:00:10 AM
Perfect song lengths if you ask me. That 4 minute song should be interesting. Overall though, I'm surprised that the last track is shorter than the one before it
It's Awake all over again. Except probably better.

Four of the songs on Wiki don't have a listed lyricist. Are they instrumentals? Or is it simply unknown yet?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 21, 2011, 10:06:12 AM
Very interesting! I like them!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 21, 2011, 10:06:37 AM
It's Awake all over again. Except probably better.

Four of the songs on Wiki don't have a listed lyricist. Are they instrumentals? Or is it simply unknown yet?

It's unknown right now. It's kind of like one big puzzle. We've pieced together the lyricists for those 5 songs through interviews and twitter updates. It's kind of fun to do actually.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2011, 10:10:03 AM
So assuming those track times are accurate and there isn't any intro buffering, etc., that means an album running time of 77:05.  Long album.  Me like.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 21, 2011, 10:12:05 AM
We all know that the closer is supposed to be the giant knockout punch that puts you in a musical coma until the next album, but at only 5:26, I'm not sure if it'll be able to do that.

I kindly disagree.

You know, I feel DT was already getting a little stale on this "LOL BIG AND GRAND ENDING" thing department (don't get me wrong, I love most of DT's last songs and I absolutely love The Count of Tuscany, I'm just looking at the bigger picture here). It's amazing they're trying something different for a change. I recall in one of the interviews (I think it was LaBrie's) that he was asked about the lyricists and he mentioned that Beneath the Surface is one of the most beautiful songs they've ever written. This reminds me a little of Disappear, which closes my favorite CD of music DT's ever done. It's a nice change of dynamics, all in all.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 21, 2011, 10:12:19 AM
I think that makes it DT's 4th longest album
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 21, 2011, 10:14:12 AM
I like them changing it up and not feeling the need to end an album with a big epic again.  Not that I don't like most of them, but this will be cool, something different and all. :tup :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DejaVu on July 21, 2011, 10:16:39 AM
Wow, I'm impressed with that! Quite a relief compared to the past few albums! I'm guessing Breaking All Illusions is going to feel like the true finish, but Beneath The Surface is going to calm it all down, possibly atmospheric sounding, I'm feeling some really strong emotional lyrics here!

I can't wait to hear it, going to be some huge surprises that's for sure! ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 21, 2011, 10:17:47 AM
Really excited by those track lengths. I'm definitely glad to see some shorter songs, as well as some slightly longer songs that aren't full scale epics. I really like the epics, but they're not something that should be on every album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 21, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 21, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?
I don't think so at all really. They never feel like they are an hour and 20 minutes at least
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on July 21, 2011, 10:30:09 AM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?
They're not long enough.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 21, 2011, 10:30:16 AM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?

They feel too long if there are parts that feel unnecessary.

If there are not some of those parts, then great.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on July 21, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
Well, damn, I'm surprised. I was POSITIVE Beneath the Surface was going to be 18 minutes-ish, but they've really done something different here, structurally. Cool, excited :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 21, 2011, 10:33:04 AM
Awesome choice ending with a shorter song. Album is a little long for my tastes, but oh well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2011, 10:36:29 AM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?

No.  I don't think I have ever felt that an album by anyone is "too long."  I can't imagine why I would ever feel that way.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 21, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
I've never understood thinking an album is 'too long' unless it has extremely obvious filler. As long as all of the songs are good, I'll take as much as I can get.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 21, 2011, 10:41:55 AM
Oh wow, that's really cool.  Nice to see that the JM song is the longest one.  Hopefully it's in the tradition of LTL and ToT!

Also, the way the track lengths turned out is nice in general.  It's not like BCSL where it's like "IT'S A LONG ALBUM WITH LONGER SONGS!"  And then I listen and think later "eh, you could have trimmed enough minutes off all the songs to add another one."  Or Train of Thought.  It's a whole album full of shorter songs that ends up being long in totality, which is totally fine by me as long as the music is good.  It's long because the material's dense, not because the material's drawn out.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 21, 2011, 10:43:03 AM
I guess I'm in the minority then.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on July 21, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
My only problem with long albums is that it's harder to find time to listen to the entire album straight through. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 21, 2011, 10:49:01 AM
Surprised about the track-lengths. Thought they would do another epic, but I prefer the way it is. Just by seeing the lengths you can tell they aimed towards a more classic DT album. Can't wait to hear this album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 21, 2011, 10:57:52 AM
Perfect track durations. I'm tired of epics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on July 21, 2011, 11:01:56 AM
I like that there's no epic. Shorter track lengths reminiscent of Images and Words/Awake/FII era. That's where this album is going.

If Far From Heaven isn't a short instrumental (like Hell's Kitchen) or an "intro track" to Breaking All Illusions, I'll eat my socks.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lordxizor on July 21, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Perfect track durations. I'm tired of epics.
I agree.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 21, 2011, 11:25:15 AM
Hey Bosk, I pm'd you. I think you should add the track lengths to th first page of this thread, just so people know it has been updated with the news.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
It's also listed right up front in the first post in the official news thread:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.msg854080#msg854080
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 21, 2011, 11:47:47 AM
A few comments I have about the track lengths

- I love that we are getting so many long songs, but I hope they are structured in a more interesting way than their overused: First 5 minutes=Verse/Chorus, Last 5 Minutes = Instrumental section. I think they have repeated that pattern to death, and frankly I'm not much of a fan when it comes to instrumentals. I would like long songs that cary some vocal weight through the entirety of the song.

-I absolutely love that The Shaman's Trance is going to be a huge song. I really hope it's as epic as I feel it may be.

-I'm also very, very interested in Beneath The Surface now, more so than before. The only times DT have closed an album with short songs were with "Losing Time" and "Only A Matter of Time" which were two amazing, beautiful songs (also SDV, if you consider it short). DT must have really felt that BTS is a very damn good song if they are using it to close the album. I can't wait.

-And it's great to see that Myung will be given a lot of room for him to strech his lyrical legs. A 10+ min song of JM lyrics sounds fantastic.

It's also listed right up front in the first post in the official news thread:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22350.msg854080#msg854080
Thanks again, I had no idea that thread even existed...  :lol

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: phentalmyst on July 21, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
you forgot SDV  :angel:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 21, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
you forgot SDV  :angel:
Well, Space Dye Vest is about 7:30, so I don't consider that a short song... but I guess it's short in terms of closing tracks.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nick on July 21, 2011, 12:24:41 PM
I know that Petrucci did On the Backs of Angels and the song formerly known as The Shaman's Trance, what other three did we find out and where?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 21, 2011, 12:26:42 PM
I know that Petrucci did On the Backs of Angels and the song formerly known as The Shaman's Trance, what other three did we find out and where?
There was an interview where it was revealed that JMX wrote the lyrics to Breaking All Illusions.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tedy on July 21, 2011, 12:44:02 PM
Wow, track lengths are very interesting!
I really have a good feeling for this album, hoping that it might be the best one since SFAM and SDOIT!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on July 21, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
Roadrunner has OTBOA at 8:42, here it's listed as 8:46? No biggie, but for accuracy's sake . . .
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 21, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
Pleasantly surprised!

Possible singles?:
1. On the Backs of Angels (8:42) *Confirmed as the first single by RR.*
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
9. Beneath The Surface (5:26)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 21, 2011, 01:04:28 PM
Once the track titles were released, I had a hunch BAL and BTS are connected to form Breaking All Illusions Beneath The Surface. Now the lengths are released, maybe instead of an Epic closer BAL ends with an epic feel end but then BTS comes in nice and soft summarizing all that occured, and then just ends on a fade.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 21, 2011, 01:09:26 PM
Longest song is Breaking All Illusions.....who called it????


I DID!!!!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2011, 01:32:22 PM
Longest song is Breaking All Illusions.....who called it????


I DID!!!!  :biggrin:

Sorry, but I gave my last cookie to the guy who called that the album title would have the letter "e" somewhere in it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Lowdz on July 21, 2011, 01:40:26 PM
My money is on Far From Heaven being a piano ballad. Or an instrumental. Or just as it's building to awesomeness it ends like PMU...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 21, 2011, 01:44:55 PM
Longest song is Breaking All Illusions.....who called it????


I DID!!!!  :biggrin:

Sorry, but I gave my last cookie to the guy who called that the album title would have the letter "e" somewhere in it.

You're hiding more cookies somewhere else, I can smell them lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 21, 2011, 01:49:23 PM
:cookie:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Metrovarium on July 21, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
Pleasantly surprised!

Possible singles?:
1. On the Backs of Angels (8:42) *Confirmed as the first single by RR.*
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
4. This is the Life (6:57)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
9. Beneath The Surface (5:26)
I'm betting that Far From Heaven is an intro of sorts to Breaking all Illusions, so I doubt that's the single. Same with Beneath The Surface, if only because the final tracks of DT albums aren't usually meant to be singles. If I had to guess, I'd go with This is the Life.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the album now, especially the second half.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: iamtheeviltwin on July 21, 2011, 01:55:15 PM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?

No...in fact DT has spoiled me on other artists....Any album clocking in at under 60m just feels too short
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on July 21, 2011, 02:00:31 PM
I'm extremely glad Breaking All Illusions is the longest song of the album. It might be like Learning to Live or Trial of Tears
I'm also really surprised that Outcry is the second longest song in the album.

Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?

Why would an album ever be to long? It's just a set of songs. DT only releases an album around every two years, the album should be long.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 21, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?

No...in fact DT has spoiled me on other artists....Any album clocking in at under 60m just feels too short

I'd say the average album is 40-60 minutes. We're lucky to get an album over an hour these days. Thank God for Prog!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 21, 2011, 02:16:36 PM
Anyone else feel that DT's albums are too long?

No...in fact DT has spoiled me on other artists....Any album clocking in at under 60m just feels too short

Well, add up the track lengths and it's 77 minutes, which is about par for course for DT.  Though it probably would appear shorter, due to being 9 shorter songs, as opposed to, say, 6 mostly ginormous ones. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Millais on July 21, 2011, 02:23:43 PM

-And it's great to see that Myung will be given a lot of room for him to strech his lyrical legs. A 10+ min song of JM lyrics sounds fantastic.


THIS! ^

i think i read somewhere that far from heaven was an instrumental, sorry if that's been mentioned on the previous page..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JasonScandopolous on July 21, 2011, 02:24:33 PM
:cookie:

Did you steal that emoticon from Minneman's shirt?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ibosmiley on July 21, 2011, 02:31:42 PM
Awesomeness!  I love the song times!  Nothing super long and a few shorties in there for good measure.  I like when DT albums are more balanced in terms of short and long songs.  I'm kind of glad there are no uber long "epics" on this album... we've had our share of them.  The times on the album remind me of something more from the PMU to SFAM era.
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Post by: Plasmastrike on July 21, 2011, 02:33:04 PM
I'm sure a lot of you found this, but here's a really high-rez version of the art.

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/dreamtheater/DT_ADTOE.jpg
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on July 21, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
My guess on the vinyl version:
LP 1 (32:49)
Side 1 (15:41)
1. On the Backs of Angels  (8:42)
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)

Side 2 (17:08)
3. Lost Not Forgotten  (10:11)
4. This is the Life (6:57)

LP 2 (44:12)
Side 3 (22:25)
5. Bridges In The Sky (11:01)
6. Outcry  (11:24)

Side 4 (21:47)
7. Far From Heaven (3:56)
8. Breaking All Illusions  (12:25)
9. Beneath The Surface  (5:26)

Total length = 76:51

Not bad, and no need to re-arrange the tracklisting for the vinyl version since this works out just fine for vinyl.

As for the lengths themselves, I like that the longest song isn't last but second-to-last. It reminds me of Adam & Eve by The Flower Kings, where they had an epic song in the second-to-last position and closed with a shorter song, a sort of coda.

I think "Beneath The Surface" will be a bright, up-tempo, major-chord-oriented uplifter that ends the album on a high note, the anti-"Space-Dye Vest" so to speak. "Far From Heaven" might have single potential given it's track length, but if it's a prelude to "Breaking All Illusions" for is a "Vacant"-style piano piece with limited instrumentation, it might not work so well. On the other hand, "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" and "This Is The Life" seem like good candidates for singles.

As for the 10+ minute songs, we haven't seen an album like this since Train Of Thought, and while I wasn't a fan before it was released, I'm sure tons of fans were excited to see 5 songs over 10 minutes long, but I'm still going to be wary of being TOO hyped up about it. I imagine the four songs on here will be very unique in of themselves, perhaps in the way that IAW had 4 "long" songs on that album (PMU, TTT, Metropolis, and LTL), and won't sound too similar or monotonous to each other.

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Gorille85 on July 21, 2011, 03:21:28 PM
Why would an album ever be to long? It's just a set of songs.

To me it's not.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 21, 2011, 03:27:24 PM
Cool beans. I I I SO EXCITED!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: metropofreak on July 21, 2011, 03:33:04 PM
Seeing the track lengths has made my day. This album is just gonna be amazing  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 21, 2011, 03:33:42 PM
Why would an album ever be to long? It's just a set of songs.

To me it's not.

cheer up!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aefenwelg on July 21, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
The length of Lost Not Forgotten reversed is the length of Bridges in the Sky!

Nuggs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 21, 2011, 03:55:55 PM
The track lenghts remind me a lot of FII and a bit of the first disc of SDOIT, which makes me quite happy.
Completely agreed with this. Great stuff!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on July 21, 2011, 04:02:42 PM
The length of Lost Not Forgotten reversed is the length of Bridges in the Sky!

Nuggs.

 :rollin

The Flower Kings did something similar on Paradox Hotel, where the opening epic/song on the first disc was 21:21 long, and the opening song on the second disc was 12:12! I wonder if the whole 11:01/10:11 was intentional?

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 21, 2011, 04:09:37 PM
Once again: Nuggets = MP =/= DT.

I like the idea that FFH could be an instrumental leading into BAI, similar to HK/LITS on FII.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 21, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
Once again: Nuggets = MP =/= DT.

I like the idea that FFH could be an instrumental leading into BAI, similar to HK/LITS on FII.
Except that Hell's Kitchen was originally a part of Burning My Soul, before they separated them.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 21, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
Once again: Nuggets = MP =/= DT.

I like the idea that FFH could be an instrumental leading into BAI, similar to HK/LITS on FII.
Except that Hell's Kitchen was originally a part of Burning My Soul, before they separated them.

Perhaps the Shaman's Teepee or whatever is an instrumental part of BAI, but at one point was separated, but then was put back in it's place in BAI, and Bridges was a song lying around that the put on then. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 21, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Once again: Nuggets = MP =/= DT.

I like the idea that FFH could be an instrumental leading into BAI, similar to HK/LITS on FII.
Except that Hell's Kitchen was originally a part of Burning My Soul, before they separated them.

Not my point. The transition from HK to LITS was seamless, and that's where I was aiming at. Also, HK seemed like the build-up to LITS that way. The songs don't necessarily need to share the musical theme (like Vacant/SOC).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 21, 2011, 05:08:50 PM
REALLY interesting at how long BITS! is.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on July 21, 2011, 05:43:54 PM
Lost Not Forgotten's length makes my day. I cannot wait to hear that song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RuRoRul on July 21, 2011, 06:43:50 PM
Surprising track lengths, only ones I could have guessed were Build Me Up, Break Me Down and This Is The Life being short (by DT standards) ~6 minute ones, and Breaking All Illusions being an epic (of moderate length). Also I guess I expected Beneath The Surface to be a shorter, softer song based on what we've heard about it recently. I have high hopes for it, but it could be the first time since SDOIT that the closer isn't my favourite song on the album (and I'm glad they're ending with a short song too - obviously I love their epic closers but I think this will be cool).

Didn't expect Outcry to be so long, sounded like a typical ~6 minute heavy song for some reason. Same for the length Lost Not Forgtten and Brides In The Sky / Shamans. Expected the last three to be the longest. Best guess now is Far From Heaven is going to be almost Vacant-like.

So yeah, looking forward. I'm liking the number of tracks (a little more than recently, but not too many so that there are no longer songs) and the lengths (nicely balanced, with several slightly longer but none towering over everything). Makes me hopeful for what could be one of my favourite albums from them. But I'm not drawing too much from them - the music could make this their absolute best or absolute worst, the same as it could with any number / length of songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 21, 2011, 07:00:16 PM
REALLY interesting at how long BITS! is.
It's a BITS longer than I expected.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 21, 2011, 07:04:42 PM
Nice
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on July 21, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
Awesome choice ending with a shorter song. Album is a little long for my tastes, but oh well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 21, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
It is long, but maybe their choice of editing songs is better than, say ANTR or TBOT, so we get the best parts.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on July 21, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
That had more to do with arrangements as well. One of ANTR's biggest problems was it felt like parts of three separate songs hastily sewed together.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 21, 2011, 07:25:09 PM
Yeah, it felt like excess fat though. To me, OTBOA indicates that they've learned to trim the fat really well. It felt like 10 steps forward IMO
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 21, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
I hope Far From Heaven is a Hell's Kitchen type piece... that would be awesome!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 21, 2011, 09:42:24 PM
Sort of a mindboggling thought: the last time DT had a closer track under 10 minutes, it was a Kevin Moore song.

Wait a minute.  In fact, the only two times they had a closer under 10 minutes it was a Kevin Moore song.

Unless y'all consider Losing Time/Grand Finale SDOIT's final track in which case y'all are fools.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 21, 2011, 10:47:47 PM
You shot yourself in the foot by using "track" instead of "song" there  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Hayden on July 21, 2011, 10:48:29 PM
Well, like almost everyone else, the song lengths have gotten me very excited. I must say that I was sort of hoping for an epic, but since LaBrie said (https://www.prog-sphere.com/2011/07/11/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/) that the album would be around 80 minutes long, that hope sort of left me a while ago. But, it really isn't actually that much of a big deal. I mean, the longest song on 'Scenes from a Memory' - my favourite Dream Theater album - is only 12:52. On 'Images & Words', which I also love (but to a lesser degree), can only boast an 11:29 track as its longest. Heck, even on 'Train of Thought' (perhaps my second or third favourite DT album), the longest track - "In the Name of God" (which is easily within my top 5 DT songs) - just clocks in at over 14 minutes. So why on earth should I be disappointed by the non-appearance of an 'epic' on this album? If the pattern is anything to go by, given the shorter song lengths, this should end up being one of my favourite Dream Theater albums.

Also, I must say that the 'epics' do occasionally fall short of that title. I mean, sure, "A Change of Seasons" and "Octavarium" are both wonderful - they're perfect in almost every way and they're beautifully written and constructed pieces of music. However, this hasn't always been the case. For example, "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" had some truly excellent moments, but it also had a lot of moments that bored me, failed to hold my attention, or simply didn't appeal to me musically. As for "In the Presence of Enemies", that had some very, very cool moments (e.g. 9:17-11:19 of Part 2), but it too lacked memorable moments. When I think back to it, a lot of it is really just a blur of impressive instrumentation played over the top of some rather bland, mediocre compositions. And as for "Count of Tuscany"... well, that was just a disappointment for me. That song had so little that actually encouraged repeat listens - repeat listen which I have given to the track in large quantities, in an attempt to try and get myself to like the track, but it's simply failed to grow on me. There is just not enough substance to the song. In short, there's too much 'fat', and too few moments that are genuinely appealing to my ears.

So, I'm actually very comfortable and happy with these song lengths. Like Jamesman and a few others have pointed out, hopefully this will mean that DT have improved their editing and 'fat-cutting' skills on this occasion. Because, as much as I love long songs, I do feel that some of DT's material was getting a little overblown, especially on 'Black Clouds & Silver Linings'.

Speaking of rock, I now have a very good feeling about Outcry. It sounds like a metal type song, and if it's over 11 minutes, I have high hopes for it.
For some reason, I'm having the exact same feelings towards it. The title gives me the idea that track will have a bit of power and aggression behind it. And now that I've seen the song length, it almost ensures its epicosity. So, hard prog rock plus epic elements surely means that this track will turn out to be a killer.

It's Awake all over again. Except probably better.
Gosh, well I hope so. If this album turns out being of the same standard as 'Awake', I will be hugely disappointed.

I've never understood thinking an album is 'too long' unless it has extremely obvious filler. As long as all of the songs are good, I'll take as much as I can get.
Yeah, this is how I've always thought of it as well.

 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 21, 2011, 11:08:01 PM
Nice first post! :)
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Post by: BlackInk on July 21, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Yeah, totally agree about what you said about the track lengths and The Count of Tuscany. The track lengths feel fresh and even though the album lacks the epics I usually like I still feel it is going to be great, really looking forward to hearing all the +10 songs, Outcry, Bridges in the Sky and especially Breaking All Illusions.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Hayden on July 22, 2011, 12:15:13 AM
Nice first post! :)
Thank you for the warm welcome. :)

[...]really looking forward to hearing all the +10 songs, Outcry, Bridges in the Sky and especially Breaking All Illusions.

Oh, absolutely! I really can't wait to see what Myung's got up his sleeve, lyrically.
I'm actually also really looking forward to hearing LaBrie's lyrical work, on whatever track(s) that/they might be (for some reason, I get the feeling that "Outcry" might be one). That guy can really write when it comes to lyrics, if you ask me. It was a shame that 'BC&SL' (perhaps their lyrically weakest album) featured none of his writing. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Chrissalix on July 22, 2011, 03:39:45 AM
That had more to do with arrangements as well. One of ANTR's biggest problems was it felt like parts of three separate songs hastily sewed together.

Repeating sections too. The beautiful agony section (while amazing!) is twice as long as it should be, as was the solo section and there are unnecessary blastbeats at the end. I reckon some of the post solo heavy part is fairly superficial though. Song should be about 12 mins long tops. And that chorus wasn't a fit at all. You can tell they write by section instead of writing songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 22, 2011, 04:59:23 AM
I mean, the longest song on 'Scenes from a Memory' - my favourite Dream Theater album - is only 12:52. 
Only on a prog forum.  :lol

Welcome, Hayden.  Nice post.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 22, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
I'm actually also really looking forward to hearing LaBrie's lyrical work, on whatever track(s) that/they might be (for some reason, I get the feeling that "Outcry" might be one). That guy can really write when it comes to lyrics, if you ask me. It was a shame that 'BC&SL' (perhaps their lyrically weakest album) featured none of his writing. 
Yes, Outcry would be my guess too for some reason. It kinda just sounds like something LaBrie would say (only he is physsicly able to pronounce the word 'Outcry' in the band you see).

And once again I agree with what you say about BC&SL, it is lyrically weak.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 22, 2011, 10:15:35 AM
canadians outcry all the time
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on July 22, 2011, 10:51:26 AM
canadians outcry all the time

Especially when we boast about our free* healthcare.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Benedettosoxfan on July 22, 2011, 01:02:07 PM
I hope Far From Heaven is a Hell's Kitchen type piece... that would be awesome!
Well, Hell is about as "far from heaven" as you can get, so it's possible :laugh:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on July 22, 2011, 01:20:33 PM
Nice first post! :)
Thank you for the warm welcome. :)

[...]really looking forward to hearing all the +10 songs, Outcry, Bridges in the Sky and especially Breaking All Illusions.

Oh, absolutely! I really can't wait to see what Myung's got up his sleeve, lyrically.
I'm actually also really looking forward to hearing LaBrie's lyrical work, on whatever track(s) that/they might be (for some reason, I get the feeling that "Outcry" might be one). That guy can really write when it comes to lyrics, if you ask me. It was a shame that 'BC&SL' (perhaps their lyrically weakest album) featured none of his writing. 

With or without MP, the lyrics will be typically Dream Theater, in that they will be nothing to write home about.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 22, 2011, 01:22:13 PM
Nice first post! :)
Thank you for the warm welcome. :)

[...]really looking forward to hearing all the +10 songs, Outcry, Bridges in the Sky and especially Breaking All Illusions.

Oh, absolutely! I really can't wait to see what Myung's got up his sleeve, lyrically.
I'm actually also really looking forward to hearing LaBrie's lyrical work, on whatever track(s) that/they might be (for some reason, I get the feeling that "Outcry" might be one). That guy can really write when it comes to lyrics, if you ask me. It was a shame that 'BC&SL' (perhaps their lyrically weakest album) featured none of his writing. 

With or without MP, the lyrics will be typically Dream Theater, in that they will be nothing to write home about.

Um, what would you say is a typical example of non-MP DT lyricisms? 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 22, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
I mean JLB typically writes political tunes, a la ItNoG and Sacrificed Sons.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on July 22, 2011, 01:33:03 PM
Nice first post! :)
Thank you for the warm welcome. :)

[...]really looking forward to hearing all the +10 songs, Outcry, Bridges in the Sky and especially Breaking All Illusions.

Oh, absolutely! I really can't wait to see what Myung's got up his sleeve, lyrically.
I'm actually also really looking forward to hearing LaBrie's lyrical work, on whatever track(s) that/they might be (for some reason, I get the feeling that "Outcry" might be one). That guy can really write when it comes to lyrics, if you ask me. It was a shame that 'BC&SL' (perhaps their lyrically weakest album) featured none of his writing.  

With or without MP, the lyrics will be typically Dream Theater, in that they will be nothing to write home about.

Um, what would you say is a typical example of non-MP DT lyricisms?  

Assuming this is directed at me, I'm confused because my statement is quite clear in that I don't think anyone in DT write's good lyrics. And even with MP's departure that will not change.
It doesn't bother me though, I don't need good lyrics from DT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 22, 2011, 01:35:53 PM
How/why would you describe DT's lyrics as being weak?

I find their lyrics to work quite well, and I'm curious as to what makes them not work too well for you. 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 22, 2011, 01:42:48 PM
I mean JLB typically writes political tunes, a la ItNoG and Sacrificed Sons.
That was on DT albums though. On his Solo work, there isn't that much political stuff. Especially Static Impulse. Half of that was like... dark love songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 22, 2011, 01:44:59 PM
And then there are also DT lyrics of his that have nothing to do with political subjects, such as Vacant and Disappear, for example.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 22, 2011, 01:47:18 PM
I mean JLB typically writes political tunes, a la ItNoG and Sacrificed Sons.
ITNOG was a Petrucci lyric
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 22, 2011, 01:55:18 PM
i hope JM delivers, cause theres gonna be a riot if his lyrics arent good
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: antigoon on July 22, 2011, 02:16:05 PM
I wish the record wasn't so long but it's good to see some "shorter" songs in there :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 22, 2011, 02:17:46 PM
Shows how much I know. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on July 22, 2011, 02:27:46 PM
Shows how much I know. :lol

You could have said you meant to say PoW instead of itNoG

Woot I just realizes PoW is the same acronym for prisoners of war - nuggetz
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 22, 2011, 02:29:23 PM
Shows how much I know. :lol

You could have said you meant to say PoW instead of itNoG

Woot I just realizes PoW is the same acronym for prisoners of war - nuggetz

I hope ADTOE has its share of nuggets and that DT12 has even more.  Honestly, they are really cool little trinkets, and a fun little diversion in the DT canon.  (Should this have gone in the controversial opinions thread?)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 22, 2011, 02:46:39 PM
Actually I think that was MP's thing anyway, so we're definitely gonna see less of those.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on July 22, 2011, 02:51:15 PM
How/why would you describe DT's lyrics as being weak?

I find their lyrics to work quite well, and I'm curious as to what makes them not work too well for you. 

None of them do anything for me. I know that's not a great comeback for any kind of discussion but it's really all I've got on the subject.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on July 22, 2011, 02:52:57 PM
How/why would you describe DT's lyrics as being weak?

I find their lyrics to work quite well, and I'm curious as to what makes them not work too well for you. 

They're not weak compared with 90% of popular music. They're weak when compared to artsy singer-songwriter types (I know that's a generalization). I know someone will respond by citing the awesome dark lyrics of some xyz heavy band, but a lot of that stuff is necro and nihilist just for the sake of coolness, and doesn't have much substance.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 22, 2011, 04:35:58 PM
In regards to good lyrics. The following songs are beautifully writen lyrics...

Innocence Faded
Voices
The Silent Man
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Learning To Live
Wait for Sleep
Under a Glass Moon
Metropolis
Pull Me Under
Lines In The Sand
Trial of Tears
A Change of Seasons
Disappear
Vacant

I haven't read/heard any lyrics from a band that makes the above lyrics seem "weak" as some have used to describe DT's lyrics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 22, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
I think you're, and I mentioned this way back when Systematic Chaos was released, and I'm sure on average DT lyrics are better than from other groups, particularly popular groups. However I think we probably hold them to a higher standard and so we want them to be able to do better than X song.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 22, 2011, 09:13:30 PM
I hope Far From Heaven is a Hell's Kitchen type piece... that would be awesome!
Well, Hell is about as "far from heaven" as you can get, so it's possible :laugh:

:lol :lol

I quite like DT's lyrics, sure they have written some bad ones especially on the last 2 albums but there are a lot of really great ones.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on July 22, 2011, 09:16:10 PM
Most songs by DT have awesome lyrics. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 22, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
I hope Far From Heaven is a Hell's Kitchen type piece... that would be awesome!
Well, Hell is about as "far from heaven" as you can get, so it's possible :laugh:

:lol :lol

I quite like DT's lyrics, sure they have written some bad ones especially on the last 2 albums but there are a lot of really great ones.

If I had to rank the albums by their lyrics, I'm pretty sure it'd go:

1. Awake
2. Six
3. I-s & W-s
4. F-ing into I
5. Eigthalbum
6. When D&D Unite
7. T of T
8. BC
9. S-atic C
10. Metro Number 2: Electric Boogaloo

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 22, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
Yeah, Awake lyrics are the best. I love that erotic, sex and death atmosphere on that album  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 09:29:32 PM
I've never seen a ranking albums by lyrics type of list.  Here's my best shot:

Falling Into Infinity
Awake
Scenes From a Memory
Images and Words
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
When Dream and Day Unite
Systematic Chaos
Train of Thought
Octavarium
Black Clouds and Silver Linings
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 22, 2011, 09:32:31 PM
I hope Far From Heaven is a Hell's Kitchen type piece... that would be awesome!
Well, Hell is about as "far from heaven" as you can get, so it's possible :laugh:

:lol :lol

I quite like DT's lyrics, sure they have written some bad ones especially on the last 2 albums but there are a lot of really great ones.

If I had to rank the albums by their lyrics, I'm pretty sure it'd go:

1. Awake
2. Six
3. I-s & W-s
4. F-ing into I
5. Eigthalbum
6. When D&D Unite
7. T of T
8. BC
9. S-atic C
10. Metro Number 2: Electric Boogaloo



It probably would have taken you the same amount of time typing the full names as it would have typing that dash.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on July 22, 2011, 10:03:51 PM
These titles and lengths have me so excited for september. Can't wait! :caffeine:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on July 23, 2011, 02:00:40 AM
Twelve and a quarter minutes of Myung lyrics in Breaking All Illusions, how sweet is that he's penned the longest track on the album?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 23, 2011, 02:04:45 AM
Twelve and a quarter minutes of Myung lyrics in Breaking All Illusions, how sweet is that he's penned the longest track on the album?


Not like it's the first time, and if the previous examples of this are any indocation, it should be great.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 23, 2011, 05:21:13 AM
I've never gotten the hype over LtL lyrically, I find it one of the weakest on the album. Trial of Tears however is one of my favourites lyrically.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 23, 2011, 08:00:18 AM
I've never seen a ranking albums by lyrics type of list.
It's a good idea.  Start a thread.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on July 23, 2011, 01:57:08 PM
I've never seen a ranking albums by lyrics type of list.
It's a good idea.  Start a thread.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=25199.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=25199.0)

Yer welcome.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Stonestef on July 23, 2011, 06:01:36 PM
An intro of one track from ADTOE has timpani.Do you think it will be something like the overture of Six Degrees?MM mentions it on this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MRVOJy2acw&feature=player_embedded#at=169
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dreamer81 on July 23, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
if you think that Breaking all Illusions is so beautiful musically to bring back JM at Lyrics (or so it seem from what JLS said), just make that song a masterpiece...even without earing a signgle note,
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on July 24, 2011, 03:40:12 AM
if you think that Breaking all Illusions is so beautiful musically to bring back JM at Lyrics (or so it seem from what JLS said), just make that song a masterpiece...even without earing a signgle note,

Who's JLS? James LaStreet? ;D Just kidding!

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2011, 04:01:41 AM
if you think that Breaking all Illusions is so beautiful musically to bring back JM at Lyrics (or so it seem from what JLS said), just make that song a masterpiece...even without earing a signgle note,

Who's JLS?
https://www.jlsofficial.com/
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dreamer81 on July 24, 2011, 09:04:10 AM
Oh crap!sorry I was very very drunk last night  :hat
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: unklejman on July 24, 2011, 11:53:01 AM
if you think that Breaking all Illusions is so beautiful musically to bring back JM at Lyrics (or so it seem from what JLS said), just make that song a masterpiece...even without earing a signgle note,

Even if the fact that JM was going to write lyrics before hearing the music wasn't true, then I'd still disagree. How on earth could you deem something you've never heard a masterpiece?


EDIT:
Oh crap!sorry I was very very drunk last night  :hat

Never mind, you already answered me. (https://http.cdnlayer.com/fiveeightsmilies/tard-1.gif)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 24, 2011, 03:45:10 PM
I'm sad... I can't make my preorder because my credit card doesn't wotk properly.... You will be excited 12th of september when You'll get digital download...and I'll be still waiting to hear it....  :-[
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 24, 2011, 03:46:57 PM
Can't you just pick it up at a local CD shop on the day of its release?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 24, 2011, 03:49:36 PM
I doubt that They will have it 13th Sept... I'm obsessed a little I know ;)  ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 24, 2011, 03:57:58 PM
I'm sure many stores will have it. Even Walmart had BCSL. They even carried Iced Earth for a short time. Walmart used to carry quite a few DT CDs back in the day. Go to Best Buy though. Walmart sucks. Short sentence.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 24, 2011, 04:01:44 PM
We haven't got Walmart in Poland, to be honest there isn't true music store in Poland... there are many music stores on the net where probably preorder will be available soon...hope so ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on July 25, 2011, 05:04:39 AM
We haven't got Walmart in Poland, to be honest there isn't true music store in Poland... there are many music stores on the net where probably preorder will be available soon...hope so ;)

Didn't BC&SL reach number 4 in the Polish chart? I'd imagine with such good history in the chart they'd have it available in the first day.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Lowdz on July 25, 2011, 05:53:49 AM
I think you're, and I mentioned this way back when Systematic Chaos was released, and I'm sure on average DT lyrics are better than from other groups, particularly popular groups. However I think we probably hold them to a higher standard and so we want them to be able to do better than X song.

I always find thiis expectation to be a bit much though. The amount of time they all spent honing their craft and in later years the touring/recording cycle will have left little time to devote to reading and improving as writers. They are musicians, not poets, and the two are rarely found together.
I would imagine that when they were younger the school years were fresh and they may have studied literature etc, and that was when the lyrics were "better". As the years go  by the discipline fades. I used to be a good writer in my younger days but it's gone with lack of practice and regular exposure to how it should be done.

There aren't many bands I listen to where  I would class the lyrics as great- Rush, Fish-era Marillion- I'm struggling for more. It's not important to me. It's all about the music and the melody.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on July 25, 2011, 06:25:15 AM
I think you're, and I mentioned this way back when Systematic Chaos was released, and I'm sure on average DT lyrics are better than from other groups, particularly popular groups. However I think we probably hold them to a higher standard and so we want them to be able to do better than X song.

I would imagine that when they were younger the school years were fresh and they may have studied literature etc, and that was when the lyrics were "better". As the years go  by the discipline fades. I used to be a good writer in my younger days but it's gone with lack of practice and regular exposure to how it should be done.

Interesting view. I agree.

Quote
There aren't many bands I listen to where  I would class the lyrics as great- Rush, Fish-era Marillion- I'm struggling for more. It's not important to me.

There are some popular bands out there that write great lyrics, examples are Muse and Coldplay.

I think DT are great at creating music as opposed to song writing. They write great musical compositions, but later struggle to fit lyrics within them, which ends up with something like TCOT (among others). However, there are many artists out there that take song writing (lyrics and music) as a whole and the result is a cohesive piece that deliver the emotion of the song both musically and lyrically.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 25, 2011, 08:08:23 AM
I think you're, and I mentioned this way back when Systematic Chaos was released, and I'm sure on average DT lyrics are better than from other groups, particularly popular groups. However I think we probably hold them to a higher standard and so we want them to be able to do better than X song.

I always find thiis expectation to be a bit much though. The amount of time they all spent honing their craft and in later years the touring/recording cycle will have left little time to devote to reading and improving as writers. They are musicians, not poets, and the two are rarely found together.
I would imagine that when they were younger the school years were fresh and they may have studied literature etc, and that was when the lyrics were "better". As the years go  by the discipline fades. I used to be a good writer in my younger days but it's gone with lack of practice and regular exposure to how it should be done.

There aren't many bands I listen to where  I would class the lyrics as great- Rush, Fish-era Marillion- I'm struggling for more. It's not important to me. It's all about the music and the melody.

Actually I would say the opposite in the sense that since they've been in the business for so long, shouldn't their craft be getting better rather than worse?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dynia on July 25, 2011, 08:29:34 AM
We haven't got Walmart in Poland, to be honest there isn't true music store in Poland... there are many music stores on the net where probably preorder will be available soon...hope so ;)

I bought my BC&SL CD the day it was released in a local store. You probably won't have any trouble finding it, just go to Empik or similiar shop :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on July 25, 2011, 09:36:46 AM
6. When D&D Unite
When Dungeons and Dragons Unite :-D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 25, 2011, 09:57:55 AM
We haven't got Walmart in Poland, to be honest there isn't true music store in Poland... there are many music stores on the net where probably preorder will be available soon...hope so ;)

I bought my BC&SL CD the day it was released in a local store. You probably won't have any trouble finding it, just go to Empik or similiar shop :)
Yeah I know that :) but You know...I want it, now ;) even if it is only preorder :) and I want boxset ;) it probably will be available on rockserwis.pl, just like was when Systematic Chaos were about to be released. It appered something about 3 weeks before release ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 25, 2011, 02:26:35 PM
Oh, look what JR just twitted!!
He have know more of new artwork :) Nice boxset  :D

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jdprsaga on July 25, 2011, 02:31:43 PM
i was about to post that,

interesting.. a frog, a cricket, i think i can see a fish..

the tire and the bridge are easier to reference from the cover and the songs titles..

the other disc i can't guess what it is.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 25, 2011, 03:06:15 PM
I like what I'm assuming is the box lid on the top left of that picture. It reminds me of one of the designs tossed around in the album cover speculation thread before they released the cover;

(https://i52.tinypic.com/c3pyw.jpg)
The box set.

(https://i56.tinypic.com/30ue8tg.jpg)
One of the cover mockups I made.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emtee on July 25, 2011, 03:51:17 PM
You guys remember about 2 months ago when Roadrunner posted that they had just met with JR and he had some really
cool ideas that they were going to incorporate...we never really heard exactly what that was about. I wonder if it had
something to do with this box set.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on July 25, 2011, 05:31:14 PM
I like what I'm assuming is the box lid on the top left of that picture. It reminds me of one of the designs tossed around in the album cover speculation thread before they released the cover;

(https://i52.tinypic.com/c3pyw.jpg)
The box set.

(https://i56.tinypic.com/30ue8tg.jpg)
One of the cover mockups I made.

Your's looks much better imo. And the whole box should be blue, what's with the amateur looking black border.

I sincerely hope this is Syme's last cover art for DT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tunnel Vision on July 25, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
I have never understood the hate the album cover gets...I think it looks great. It is a big change from a lot of their covers (WDaDU, Awake, Scenes, ToT, SC, and BCSL all had dark covers) and I like the fact that it is bright and almost happy looking to me.

Anyway, the box set looks really tempting and I would like to be able to have all the extras that are included in it, but I just can't spend that much money now. I'll probably end up buying either just the regular edition or the special edition w/ the dvd...I hope they took out all the cheesy "On the next installment of the spirit carries on..." outros that are on the youtube vids.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 25, 2011, 06:01:17 PM
Frogs and locusts? I guess the 10 plagues of Egypt would be a pretty dramatic turn of events wouldn't it? :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 25, 2011, 06:21:40 PM
But the colors are considerably brighter than they have been in the past, and so seem "happier."  I mean, even though Octavarium didn't have such dark or oppressive looking scenery, the colors were still pretty earthy and so made the cover seem not "happy."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 25, 2011, 07:11:49 PM
Frogs and locusts? I guess the 10 plagues of Egypt would be a pretty dramatic turn of events wouldn't it? :biggrin:

Yeah I noticed the same thing.  Reminds me of the Elephant and crow from the last album... we'll probably never figure out what they represent until we actually hear the album.  Disclaimer aside, anyone want to predict which song refers to the frog and locust?  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 25, 2011, 07:23:59 PM
im diggin the rest of the art
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Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
1 Month & 18 Days left!
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Post by: Super Dude on July 25, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
Augh!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 25, 2011, 10:34:35 PM
Augh!!
This month is practicly over, and after August, we have like 2 weeks of September. So really, it's like a month to go before we get the album. It's going to be here in no time. (even sooner if you're one of the people who will "give in to temptation" like I will, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Though still, I will be buying this album regardless.)
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Post by: SystematicThought on July 25, 2011, 11:47:26 PM
I'm just diggin the happier vibe with all of the blue and it just feels happier. And that little peak at the band photo. Pretty cool and not fake looking like the BC&SL promo pics. I'm just diggin the blue
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on July 26, 2011, 03:24:34 AM
Do you think they'll release just the vinyl version of the album in the future? I cant get the special edition ( :( ) I'd be happy with the vinyl only but I guess I'll have to get the standard edition.

FUCK ARGHHH I FLIPPIN HATE JEWEL CASES SOOOO DAMN MUCH
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Post by: robwebster on July 26, 2011, 03:43:16 AM
I have never understood the hate the album cover gets...I think it looks great. It is a big change from a lot of their covers (WDaDU, Awake, Scenes, ToT, SC, and BCSL all had dark covers) and I like the fact that it is bright and almost happy looking to me.
Yeah, the art's grown on me a lot. Thought it was kind of ugly at first, but now I'm kind of fond. The aeroplane fin looks less out of place each time I look, and the unicyclist stands out beautifully against a very bold, very deep, gorgeous blue.

I still want them to switch cover artists sooner rather than later, but I actually think ADToE is probably Hugh Syme's strongest work with the band. Stark, bold, and very recognisable. Which I was definitely not saying at the time.
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Post by: Progmetty on July 26, 2011, 03:47:42 AM
I don't hate the album art but it certainly feels lazy or like they didn't give it too much thought. Is there a possibility of them going back to it and changing something if they feel like it or is it too late because of the printing process?
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Post by: Jirpo on July 26, 2011, 04:02:05 AM
It would be too late by now, I would imagine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 26, 2011, 05:31:12 AM
Augh!!
This month is practicly over, and after August, we have like 2 weeks of September. So really, it's like a month to go before we get the album. It's going to be here in no time. (even sooner if you're one of the people who will "give in to temptation" like I will, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Though still, I will be buying this album regardless.)


On principle I don't do filesharing or anything like that anyway, so I have to wait. :P
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Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 05:38:52 AM
Heh. Dreamt that a review of the new album was in a magazine I was holding. Article said it was a sloppy album, overlong instrumentals, really weak overall. Magazine had some ace pictures of space pictures though, I walked into one of the pictures and got to explore a galaxy for a bit.

DTF: Dreaming about Theaters...Fuck
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Post by: ich bin besser on July 26, 2011, 05:43:57 AM
edit: nevermind
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Post by: ZirconBlue on July 26, 2011, 06:39:57 AM
Do you think they'll release just the vinyl version of the album in the future? I cant get the special edition ( :( ) I'd be happy with the vinyl only but I guess I'll have to get the standard edition.

FUCK ARGHHH I FLIPPIN HATE JEWEL CASES SOOOO DAMN MUCH

There's already a vinyl version available for preorder.  From memory, the options currently are:

CD only:    ~$14
CD/DVD:    ~$16
Vinyl only:  ~$23
Box Set:   ~$106


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Post by: FretMuppet on July 26, 2011, 06:44:00 AM
Do you think they'll release just the vinyl version of the album in the future? I cant get the special edition ( :( ) I'd be happy with the vinyl only but I guess I'll have to get the standard edition.

FUCK ARGHHH I FLIPPIN HATE JEWEL CASES SOOOO DAMN MUCH

There's already a vinyl version available for preorder.  From memory, the options currently are:

CD only:    ~$14
CD/DVD:    ~$16
Vinyl only:  ~$23
Box Set:   ~$106




Ah yes! Thank you
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 07:34:28 AM
I don't hate the album art but it certainly feels lazy or like they didn't give it too much thought. Is there a possibility of them going back to it and changing something if they feel like it or is it too late because of the printing process?

Even if it weren't too late, I don't think they'd change it just for you.
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Post by: Progmetty on July 26, 2011, 12:44:10 PM
I don't hate the album art but it certainly feels lazy or like they didn't give it too much thought. Is there a possibility of them going back to it and changing something if they feel like it or is it too late because of the printing process?

Even if it weren't too late, I don't think they'd change it just for you.

Why would I even request something of such minor nature :lol
I really was wondering how close can they get to the release date before changing their mind about something like that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ronrule on July 26, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
(https://i56.tinypic.com/30ue8tg.jpg)
One of the cover mockups I made.

How did you manage to guess the album title font exactly, or was that already released?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 26, 2011, 12:55:32 PM
He's a priest of Imhotep. He's got the gift.

(He's also got a firstborn who lives in a dungeon designing pyramids, but mainly the gift.)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 26, 2011, 12:56:52 PM
I think he got the font and color scheme from the teaser email they sent out regarding the track listing.  It had the album title and band name cropped out from the album cover.
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Post by: ghostnotes on July 26, 2011, 01:00:47 PM
Really wanting to lay down the clams for the box-set over here, mainly to mark the occasion of the first album post-Portnoy and show my support moving forward...hesitating based on the overall lackluster "complete album" quality since SDoIT.  Holding out for extended samples or an album stream.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 26, 2011, 01:11:48 PM
I think he got the font and color scheme from the teaser email they sent out regarding the track listing.  It had the album title and band name cropped out from the album cover.
Someone here had it in their sig, and when I did a mockup along the lines of the Beatles 'White Album', they asked me to do a blue one, because of that patch of the cover that had been leaked.

Rob's correct too, but it has nothing to do with making that cover.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 26, 2011, 01:12:54 PM
I have never understood the hate the album cover gets...I think it looks great. It is a big change from a lot of their covers (WDaDU, Awake, Scenes, ToT, SC, and BCSL all had dark covers) and I like the fact that it is bright and almost happy looking to me.
Yeah, the art's grown on me a lot. Thought it was kind of ugly at first, but now I'm kind of fond. The aeroplane fin looks less out of place each time I look, and the unicyclist stands out beautifully against a very bold, very deep, gorgeous blue.

I still want them to switch cover artists sooner rather than later, but I actually think ADToE is probably Hugh Syme's strongest work with the band. Stark, bold, and very recognisable. Which I was definitely not saying at the time.

^^^All of this.
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Post by: TL on July 26, 2011, 01:15:11 PM
Apparently amazon.ca is keeping their streak of being terrible for pre-orders alive. They currently have two versions of the album with no real specifics, both leaving out the "A" in the title, and one having a band promo pic instead of the cover.

Stranger/funnier though, is this item;
https://www.amazon.ca/Welcome-Reality-Dream-Theater/dp/B005974CDU/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1311706936&sr=1-2
Apparently DT have something coming out on Sep 13th called "Welcome Reality".
I mean, lacking information on an upcoming item is one thing, but making up a title that no one at any point mentioned? Just weird.

Oh Amazon, never change.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Progmetty on July 26, 2011, 02:04:07 PM
I'm guessing a forum theme made of the album art and colors is not gonna happen this time.
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Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:09:18 PM
Would be nice, dark theme makes feel depressed and shit
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Post by: SystematicThought on July 26, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
Actually I used to moderate on another site that used this exact same kind of forum, the stock blue theme that it had was actually pretty damn cool. Maybe it could be similar to DT's youtube channel. I think that looks pretty cool!
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Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 02:14:26 PM
We already have a blue theme.
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Post by: SystematicThought on July 26, 2011, 02:15:52 PM
We already have a blue theme.
No, I'm talking like the one on DT's youtube, channel with the clown and all. That'd be cool if the new theme was like that one.

And yeah, I just looked, we do have that blue one  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
We already have a blue theme.

True, but once ADTOE comes out, the artwork on the welcome page and top of the screen (as well as the color scheme) will not match the current album. It'd be cool to stick to tradition as there have been themes as far back as SDOIT (I believe).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 02:21:07 PM
It would be even cooler to just use the blue theme we have and delete all the other ones.
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Post by: SystematicThought on July 26, 2011, 02:22:28 PM
 :(
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Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:23:10 PM
No-what? No. What kind of lame excuse of an idea is-

Administrator




Sounds like a good idea to me. :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Progmetty on July 26, 2011, 02:24:20 PM
It's too bright man, it really makes it difficult to read without squinting. Our current theme is my favorite of all message boards I've ever been to.
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Post by: TL on July 26, 2011, 02:30:03 PM
I'd definitely be in favor of keeping this theme (obviously artwork related things could be changed). The darker colors work better for forums in general. It's easier on the eyes.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
:friday:
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Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
I switch between the default theme and the light blue theme. I prefer the light blue because it reminds of the previous board before the crash. Such good times. Those were the zest of limes.
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Post by: wammabe on July 26, 2011, 02:37:04 PM
The forum theme should be purple, the background would be WDADU's album cover, the font should be Comic Sans, and the text should change color every time you visit the forum. IMO
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream_Theater01 on July 26, 2011, 02:55:21 PM
"The Shaman's Trance" has been changed to "Bridges In The Sky"?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 26, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
"The Shaman's Trance" has been changed to "Bridges In The Sky"?

Yes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lonestar on July 26, 2011, 03:28:45 PM
Ordered my copy today, let the anticipatory buildup begin....... :caffeine:
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Post by: bss4life15 on July 26, 2011, 03:32:50 PM
Ordered the deluxe edition.  $100 may be a bit much, but i don't care, it's going to be amazing
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lonestar on July 26, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
I just went standard CD, I hear the deluxe has a Myung blow up doll, true?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bss4life15 on July 26, 2011, 03:37:50 PM
I just went standard CD, I hear the deluxe has a Myung blow up doll, true?
There better be
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 26, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
So obviously many have pre-ordered ADToE, but has anyone pre-ordered DT's new album, "Welcome Reality" (https://www.amazon.ca/Welcome-Reality-Dream-Theater/dp/B005974CDU/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1311706936&sr=1-2)?

But yeah, at this point, Amazon must be actively trying to be wrong.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 26, 2011, 08:24:25 PM
At least the release date is sooner than 2025.
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Post by: MasterShakezula on July 26, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
At least the release date is sooner than 2025.
Certainly wish that could be said for the next King Crimson or Tool album..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 27, 2011, 05:53:53 AM
Just gotta say I love the new album cover. It reminds me of the A Change of Seasons cover - same sort of vibe. That's all.  :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Hayden on July 27, 2011, 08:04:32 AM
Just gotta say I love the new album cover. It reminds me of the A Change of Seasons cover - same sort of vibe. That's all.  :corn
Not to mention an almost identical colour scheme.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 27, 2011, 10:21:22 AM
But why those animals?

TOT: Ravens
8V: Octopus
SC: Ants
BL&SL: Elephants
ADTOE: Frogs

SO what next? Leopards or skunks? Bear could be good choice.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on July 27, 2011, 10:30:04 AM
How about an anteater?  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 27, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
How about an anteater?  :)
Next album
anTHEATER
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wolven74 on July 27, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Does anyone have the times for the tracks yet? I wanna know which are the longer tracks. :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 27, 2011, 11:35:49 AM
Does anyone have the times for the tracks yet? I wanna know which are the longer tracks. :metal

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=111612
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 27, 2011, 12:50:29 PM
Does anyone have the times for the tracks yet? I wanna know which are the longer tracks. :metal
Very special first post ;) Welcome  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 27, 2011, 02:30:59 PM
A Brazilian site described the album track by track. Maybe later I can write a shorter version of that post here.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Zydar on July 27, 2011, 02:31:56 PM
Please do.
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Post by: WaterToFire on July 27, 2011, 02:47:43 PM
Link please for those of us willing to deal with google translate?
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Post by: SystematicThought on July 27, 2011, 02:51:20 PM
^^Yes
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 27, 2011, 03:04:13 PM
https://www.rockemgeral.com.br/2011/07/27/conheca-o-novo-album-do-dream-theater-faixa-por-faixa/

That's the link. It's kind of a dull review, but it might get you some idea.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 27, 2011, 03:13:50 PM
The google translation for BMU,BMD is hilarious:

"starts with a basic pre-recorded the vocal and suffocated, "off" with echo and other effects. Has a clear accent pop with a heavy bass line and suing John Myung, referring to the root of funk. A keyboard pasteurized in the background, like "space filler", reinforces the character's pop band that ends in a chorus made ​​for gluing ears. The music, despite the good foundation, is the best compositions. The drummer Mike Mangini rehearses some upsets here and there, but does the basics."

:lol

Referring to the root of funk.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on July 27, 2011, 03:17:32 PM
Some of the translations are great.

"range lentil"

Far From Heaven sounds like Vacant on this review. Shame they didn't mention lyrics.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 27, 2011, 03:18:16 PM
Sounds like Myung has a presence on the album. And yeah, the root of funk  :lol

Sounds like those who liked the JR& JLB duet of Wither will like Far From Heaven.




Sadly though, this reviewer is gonna side with Aniland about track 5...
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Post by: BlackInk on July 27, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
Referring to the root of funk.
Don't know why I find this so funny but I am sitting here actually laughing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 27, 2011, 03:28:25 PM
So.... does anyone here speak Portugese?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 27, 2011, 03:52:42 PM
*wonders if there will be any tordenperle krall*

















literally
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 27, 2011, 04:05:56 PM
shit i had forgotten about that  :lol
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Post by: bloop on July 27, 2011, 05:26:02 PM
Quote
The floor ends up being the "beautiful moment" of the disc.
Written like a true floor-lover.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 27, 2011, 05:44:17 PM
So.... does anyone here speak Portugese?
Considering it's similar to Spanish, I'll give it a go.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 27, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
I read that in translated English, and it don't mean shit to me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 27, 2011, 06:04:22 PM
So.... does anyone here speak Portugese?
Considering it's similar to Spanish, I'll give it a go.

Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 27, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
I feel like every DT review I've ever read says: It sounds like DT, but different. It goes to lots of new places, but retains the core DT sound we all know and love.

I really hope this one is different. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SjundeInseglet on July 27, 2011, 06:31:59 PM
I just went ahead and read the Brazilian review and I must say that I found it kind of biased (the reviewer clearly isn't into the lighter/poppier side of DT and he pans any song that features that side of the band).

Some interesting tidbits:

1- ADToE sounds like DT and doesn't feature homages/tributes to other prog or metal bands (though he later says that there's a strong Yes vibe in "Outcry").
2- It is a keyboard-heavy record (with some retro/seventies sounding keyboards in songs like "Outcry" and "Lost Not Forgotten").
3- JP's solo in "Lost Not Forgotten" is one of the most beautiful moments on the album.
4- The reviewer was quite smitten with "Bridges in the Sky (and, to a lesser extent, "Breaking All Illusions") and rates it highly.
5- "Lost Not Forgotten" doesn't sound like a 10+ minute song because it has a good flow and it feels shorter.
6- "Build Me Up, Break Me Down" is a poppier songs and features a pretty catchy chorus.
7- "Far From Heaven" is a piano/vocal duet.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 27, 2011, 06:35:35 PM
With a 25 year journey, Dream Theater is taking their most important step in their career by releasing their 11th album after Mike Portnoy -founding member and major influence in the band's sound- dramatically quit. Therefore, the expectation comes with the name of the next album "A Dramatic Turn of Events". This is not only the debut of Mike Mangini -who had to live a true reality show in order to be chosen, among with other six drummers-, but the establishment of a new type of brand that has to replace Portnoy. This has built the anticipation to all the fans -the release date being next Sept. 13.

'Rock em Geral' magazine had access to this new anticipated CD and has prepared a commentary while listening each song for the first time. In previous albums, Dream Theater has made musical references to other metal and prog bands, but "A Dramatic Turn of Events" aims to sound conform to this new formation; bringing its own sound. At the same time, the sound is not that new. Anyone who has listened to Dream Theater will immediately recognize that their album length will oscillate the 75 min mark (not sure what they meant by this). The band played safe on this album, avoiding lots of risks; a conservative approach. It's too soon to compare this album with other records. Anyway, here's the review:

1- On the Backs of Angels
This song was released last month and is the only track that fans can listen live in this new tour. The music is very Dream Theater: it preserves the good instrumental sound driven by John Petrucci's beautiful riff. It has a beautiful solo that precedes the riff which highlighs JLB's dramatic vocals. A simple and easy song to identify. Get this CD, there's no risk.

2- Build Me Up, Break Me Down
It starts with a pre-recorded voice-over vocal with an echo and other effects. It has a clear pop feel, with a heavy bass line and swing, which makes a reference to its funky root. You can hear the keyboard in the back "filling the voids", which reinforces the pop characteristic of this song; the chorus will make your ears beg for more (you'll have your ears glued to this chours: literal trans). Despite the great composition of this song, it is not the best one. Mangini does some of his beats here and there, but it's just basic drumming.

3. Lost not Forgotten
it keeps the characteristic of this album with some emphasis on the keyboards in most parts. It starts with the keyboards imitating the acoustic piano sound (?) and it then changes to a progressive keyboard feel, typical of the 70s. The base of the vocals are tense. You can notice LaBrie's vocal power without screeching or straining his voice. The riff and the drums are pretty basic; JLB only looses his voice in the second part of this song. This is one of the four songs that surpasses the 10 minute mark, but the changes in the song are pretty ingenious. It's amazing how you don't feel 10 minutes passing by, it evidences that the music captivates and it is ingenious.

4- This is the Life
A slow, almost ballad feeling, with a climatic intro making emphasis on the keyboards and vocals. It's that kind of song that you think is going to start or take off, but it never does. JLB makes his backing-vocals in some verses, but what makes this track worthy is the beautiful solo in the end, playing along with the bass, which provides a heavy bass-line. The solo ends up being a "beautiful moment" in this album.

5- Bridges in The Sky
There's a vocal effect that mimics a cry in a cave that will appear again at the end of the song. This is a song that offers better dynamics, with a guitar that runs nervously behind a beautiful drum drive, with precise hits. MM starts to play faster and fits well with the bass and the guitar. Curiously, JP's solo is very economical, but very good, full of wah-wah sounds. There's an amazing guitar/keyboard duel, with Myung holding up well with the wave. This song is one of the best in this album.

6- Outcry
It has a grandiloquent intro, with a pre-recorded symphonic tone. The foundations of this song consists of a very good combination of guitar, bass and overwhelming keyboards, just like the rest of the CD (how superfluous can you get when writing a review, right?). This is pure old Yes, you can imagine Jordan Rudess dressed on stage like Rick Wakeman. With some discrete guitars and JLB singing softly, almost whispering, the music never takes off. Positively, this is a great song.

7- Far From Heaven
In an album with more than 75 minutes long, Far From Heaven sounds almost like a vignette. It's a duet between the vocals and the keys. This shouldn't have entered the track list.

8- Breaking All Illusions
It starts well, with an excellent melody and instrumental developments. A pop keyboard (in the sense that it captivates the listener) leads to a melodic evolution of the guitar; of rare beauty. It has a lot of good changes, tempo wise, in the instrumental parts: a "bed" of giant keyboards, bass and drums and great rapport with technical precision, and finally a pristine guitar. The "freshness" that you listen in the beginning gets lost, but it returns in the bridge and chorus. MM progressively starts to speed up the tempo, alternating with the highly progressive keyboards. Petrucci's sound is very dramatic, with the rest of the sounds preparing to lift-off, until the song skyrockets; DT's trademark. Great music with good dynamics.

9- Beneath the Surface
It starts slowly, you can onliste listen the vocals and some keyboard effects. It sounds like a cap (?) on the album, and at the same time, an optimistic view for the future, considering the recent turmoil in the band. Music has an emphasis on keyboards and JLB's voice is loose (you can say the same thing on every track).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on July 27, 2011, 06:56:12 PM
what what? is that it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on July 27, 2011, 06:58:06 PM
Build me up, Break me Down definitely sounds like potential second single material.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Merida on July 27, 2011, 07:01:29 PM
Hello good people, although I’ve been reading a lot on this forum, (which I actually find very interesting), I had never posted anything before, but well, this is my first post and I hope it is a good one.

First of all, I’m a Spanish guy who loves this band, and, I’ve just seen the Brazilian review thing. As Portuguesse is similar to Spanish, I will try to translate it in English for you. I’m Spanish and I have to translate from Brazilian to Spanish, and then to English, so I hope you understand that I won’t be able to translate it exactly.

Ok, here we go (skipping OTBOA as we all know that song perfectly nowadays):

Generally speaking, it says that ADTOE doesn’t sound like other bands, but like Dream Theater, so perhaps we won’t be saying “that song sounds like X band”. It says that maybe DT is trying to find their own identity as a base for the future. It also says that the guys of DT didn’t seem to have taken too much risk when making ADTOE because you can clearly identify the classical sound of the band and there isn’t too much innovation here.

2- Build Me Up, Break Me Down
It starts with a pre-recorded base and with an “off voice” (I don’t know how you call that) with some effects, like echoes. This song has a clear pop influence (O.o) with a heavy bass line from JM. The keyboards help to enforce the pop sound of the tune. It says that, although it has a good base, this song is not one of their best compositions. Also, Mike Mangini does some virtuous things here and there, but basically keeps the basic rhythm.

3- Lost Not Forgotten
It features a lot of emphasis on the keyboards (as the rest of the album in general). It starts with a piano melody but then it turns into a 70’s-like keyboard sound. The base of the tune and the vocals are solid. Labrie strains his voice but not to the point of sounding torn. The chorus is easy and the drums are simple, JLB highlights more on the second part of the song. This tune is one of the 4 songs that last for 10 or more minutes and it keeps the progressive side of the band shining all the way, although there aren’t too many inventive tempo changes. It says that it’s impressive how fast this 10 minute song passes by (in the good sense).

4- This is the Life
This one is a slow, beautiful ballad featuring a climatic beginning and emphasizing keyboards and vocals. It says the song is not too good but the amazing and beautiful solo by Petrucci saves it and turns into a very good one. That guitar solo (which is introduced by the bass at the end of the song) is one of the most beautiful moments in the album.

5- Bridged in the Sky
It starts with some sounds that sound like some shouts from a cave and those same shouts will appear again at the end of the song. It states that this is the best song in terms of dynamism, with a nervous guitar and some nice and precise drumming. Mike Mangini makes some amazing rhythm changes that fit very well in the song and help to enforce the bass and guitar riffs. There’s a short yet very good guitar solo with a wah-wah effect. By the end of the song there’s an incredible and surprising keyboard-guitar duel, with Myung keeping the good job. The reviewer also says that this is one of the best tunes in the album.

6- Outcry
It features a very grandiloquent start with some symphonic sounds. It has some very nice bass lines, with the JR shining again. The solo, which sounds like old Yes, makes you imagine JR dressed like Rick Wakeman. However, the review says that JP and JLB are a little moderate in this tune, so the song never gets to shine too much although it’s a good tune.

7-Far From Heaven
It’s a vocal and piano duet.

8- Breaking All Illusions
It starts very good, with an excellent instrumental melody that keeps evolving perfectly. JR does a very good job with his keyboard and leads us to a very rare, yet beautiful guitar melody. MM pulls some nice rhythm changes during a very solid instrumental section with some huge and climatic keyboard sounds, a technical bass line and a free guitar finally. MM does some small solos here and there alternating with a very progressive keyboard. The main solo by Petrucci is very dramatic and emotive. This is an excellent tune with a very good dynamic sounding.

9- Beneath the Surface
It’s a slow tune, with a start featuring just vocals with some keyboards effects accompanying JLB. This tune is a good ending for the album, but also a very promising hope for the future of the band. JR shines in this one too but JLB is the main actor, singing like he had never done before in the album.

Ok, this is all I can do and I really hope the album is good. Also, the Brazilian guy didn’t mention JLB in Breaking All Illusions, but he didn’t say it’s an instrumental song either, so I don’t know what to think. Overall, I think this is going to be a very positive album and seems to look more like Octavarium or Scenes From a Memory because it seems that there aren’t any tedious or annoying songs (you know, those songs that are too long, just like ANTR) and the shorter songs seem to be funny and even beautiful. I just can’t wait for the album to be played in my car.

EDIT: Well, I just remembered that Myung wrote the lyrics for Breaking All Illusions, so there's no doubt it's not an instrumental song, LOL

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 27, 2011, 07:04:25 PM
To add just a little bit to Beneath The Surface, is a good way to end the album and has the sound like they are optimistically looking towards the future.

This guy also makes it sound like Far From Heaven has no business being on the album. That's what I got my translation
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Knguro on July 27, 2011, 07:07:58 PM
Thanks!
i cant wait for this whole album to be out!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 27, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
I ain't reading these reviews. I don't want this album to be spoiled, or have my hopes get raised like with SC.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: snapple on July 27, 2011, 07:42:45 PM
Far From Heaven has me excited in all sorts of ways. If it sounds anything like "Coming Home" I'll be so giddy!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rafael Guerra on July 27, 2011, 08:00:11 PM
Definitely got more excited about "Bridges In The Sky" and "Breaking All Illusions". Also, kudos to emindead and Merida for the translation. I am from Brazil and if had seen this before, would have translated, but there is no need anymore. Translation is very accurate.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Adami on July 27, 2011, 08:10:07 PM
I ain't reading these reviews. I don't want this album to be spoiled, or have my hopes get raised like with SC.

Here, I'll summarize the review for you without any spoilers, but will get the basic message the author had across.



"Meh"   
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: VincentMDO on July 27, 2011, 08:12:35 PM
The author of the review also said he got the material by a streaming from RR, being previously asked if he wanted to do the review. I think we can expect more reviews sooner than we thought.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 27, 2011, 08:26:57 PM
Quote
The floor ends up being the "beautiful moment" of the disc.
Written like a true floor-lover.

Brand new floor?!



?!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on July 27, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
On The Back Of Angels        - Pull Me Under         - Basic Dream Theater-ish single
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Another Day          - Pop-ish song
Lost Not Forgotten             - Take the Time        - LaBrie strains his voice more, 70-ish keyboard sounds?
This is the Life                   - Surrounded           - Slow, almost ballad-feeling
Bridges in the Sky               - Metropolis pt.1      - Best song in terms of dynamics
Outcry                             - Under A Glass Moon - Grandiloquent intro, Yes-sounding?
Far From Heaven                - Wait For Sleep       - Piano/Vocal duet
Breaking All Illusions            - Learning To Live     - Myung Lyrics, longest song in the album
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 27, 2011, 08:36:42 PM
Well there you have it. People finally got their Images And Words Part 2.

:zook2:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on July 27, 2011, 08:38:20 PM
If that is the truth, and it is of good quality.  :metal


I'm not a fan of remaking successful records, but if they do it right, why not? After listening to OTBOA I heard I&W everywhere, so I won't be surprised. Definitely beats what they were doing this decade.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on July 27, 2011, 08:40:30 PM
If it's anything like I&W, then it'll be fantastic beyond all expectations. If it's anything different than I&W, I have a feeling it's still going to be amazing.

I /cannot/ wait to hear Bridges in the Sky now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on July 27, 2011, 08:41:27 PM
Well there you have it. People finally got their Images And Words Part 2.

:zook2:

If that's so, we'll start seeing people wanting a Train of Thought pt.2 now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bss4life15 on July 27, 2011, 08:43:08 PM
I don't like the idea of an Images and Words pt. 2.  I don't want this album to be just like images and words.  I wanted smething new from them, a new chapter.  I don't want them trying to repeat themselves.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 27, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
I doubt it will be an I&W Part 2.  It is very short-sighted of anyone to speculate that it will be simply because some song lengths are similar, the single lengths are similar, etc., especially when that person speculating hasn't even heard the freaking album yet.

Oh, but wait, Beneath the Surface is 5:26 and Just Let Me Breathe was 5:29, so guess what?  Those songs will probably song alike!  Ta-da!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Adami on July 27, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
On The Back Of Angels        - Pull Me Under         - Basic Dream Theater-ish single
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Another Day          - Pop-ish song
Lost Not Forgotten             - Take the Time        - LaBrie strains his voice more, 70-ish keyboard sounds?
This is the Life                   - Surrounded           - Slow, almost ballad-feeling
Bridges in the Sky               - Metropolis pt.1      - Best song in terms of dynamics
Outcry                             - Under A Glass Moon - Grandiloquent intro, Yes-sounding?
Far From Heaven                - Wait For Sleep       - Piano/Vocal duet
Breaking All Illusions            - Learning To Live     - Myung Lyrics, longest song in the album


Congratulations on sparking what could be the most annoying debate on DTF since last week or so.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 27, 2011, 08:48:10 PM

Congratulations on sparking what could be the most annoying debate on DTF since last week or so.

ahhh. this
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 27, 2011, 08:48:23 PM
I don't like the idea of an Images and Words pt. 2.  I don't want this album to be just like images and words.  I wanted smething new from them, a new chapter.  I don't want them trying to repeat themselves.

They aren't repeating themselves, so chill.

Congratulations on sparking what could be the most annoying debate on DTF since last week or so.

The great debate lol haha get it it's like the song
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on July 27, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
I don't like the idea of an Images and Words pt. 2.  I don't want this album to be just like images and words.  I wanted smething new from them, a new chapter.  I don't want them trying to repeat themselves.

Some of Dream Theater's recent releases were already starting to feel like sequels to me already, if they do another album, I'd much rather have it similar to one of Dream Theater's most progressive albums. Either way, I really doubt its going to be just like Images and Words.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 27, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
no tordenperle krall this time around?





shit. literally
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 27, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
Now wait a minute, man!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Vajra on July 27, 2011, 10:57:24 PM
lol alright, I've decided I'm officially staying away from this thread and any new threads regarding the new album... to many damn spoilers!  >:(

buh-bye
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Moonchild on July 28, 2011, 04:00:40 AM
Damn.. I'm Portuguese and I can't understand most of the stuff written by the brazilian "jornalist".
They write like they talk on the streets, no use of dictionary words or grammar whatsoever..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Moonchild on July 28, 2011, 04:06:28 AM
If DT is opening the album to magazine reviewers on the following days we'll get to see more. Not even a word about the lyrics on this review and he is totally biased.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on July 28, 2011, 05:30:08 AM
The promos have been sent as far as i know.
An editor for a greek rock music site said that he has listened to the record, and is going to post a review soon.
All he said is that it is definitely a grower album and not so easy from the first listen, and that lyrics are improved.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on July 28, 2011, 05:32:52 AM
MM soils small speed progression

:|
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on July 28, 2011, 07:32:23 AM
I believe ADTOE is going to be GREAT, and my admittedly flawed reasoning is as follows: I really really like the first single OTBOA. Compare this to my feelings on their other singles:

WDADU: was SS a single? My least favorite on the album
I&W: PMU, AD, TTT - good stuff obviously, but I like the other 5 songs better
Awake: SM & Lie - 2 of my least favorite - Lie's only good for MP's drumming during the bridge and 2 great JP solos
FII: HY - one of my least favorites from this album (Budokan version is much better but doesn't count)
SFAM: THE - my least favorite except for Regression. The Home edit is an abortion and never should have seen the light of day
SDOIT: Misunderstood and SS I think were the singles - my least favorite track from Side 1 and SS doesn't really count as a song, it's a "movement"
TOT: AIA - my least favorite except for HTF
OV: I think IWBY was one of the singles, forgot the other one - anyway that whole album is meh except for OV & TROAE
SC: Forsaken & CM - I like 3 of the other songs better than these
BC&SL: AROP & Wither - my 2 least favorite from this album

So there you have it. IMO most of the singles stink compared with the rest of the album. Since I feel OTBOA is a very strong song, it bodes well that I will enjoy ADTOE immensely.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on July 28, 2011, 07:34:35 AM
On The Back Of Angels        - Pull Me Under         - Basic Dream Theater-ish single
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Another Day          - Pop-ish song
Lost Not Forgotten             - Take the Time        - LaBrie strains his voice more, 70-ish keyboard sounds?
This is the Life                   - Surrounded           - Slow, almost ballad-feeling
Bridges in the Sky               - Metropolis pt.1      - Best song in terms of dynamics
Outcry                             - Under A Glass Moon - Grandiloquent intro, Yes-sounding?
Far From Heaven                - Wait For Sleep       - Piano/Vocal duet
Breaking All Illusions            - Learning To Live     - Myung Lyrics, longest song in the album


Congratulations on sparking what could be the most annoying debate on DTF since last week or so.

Wahhhhh
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 28, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
Reading the translation really raised my excitement about this album. The tracks in which I'm interested the most at this point are Lost Not Forgotten and Beneath The Surface.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ReaPsTA on July 28, 2011, 08:43:16 AM
Reading the translation really raised my excitement about this album.

Definitely.

I'm really interested in how Petrucci seems to have stepped back musically to let the vox/keys/bass have more room to shine.  I'm not saying he would have, but he could have easily made this album the ultimate monument to his abilities as a guitarist, and it seems he went completely the opposite way.

On The Back Of Angels        - Pull Me Under         - Basic Dream Theater-ish single
Build Me Up, Break Me Down - Another Day          - Pop-ish song
Lost Not Forgotten             - Take the Time        - LaBrie strains his voice more, 70-ish keyboard sounds?
This is the Life                   - Surrounded           - Slow, almost ballad-feeling
Bridges in the Sky               - Metropolis pt.1      - Best song in terms of dynamics
Outcry                             - Under A Glass Moon - Grandiloquent intro, Yes-sounding?
Far From Heaven                - Wait For Sleep       - Piano/Vocal duet
Breaking All Illusions            - Learning To Live     - Myung Lyrics, longest song in the album

I think it'd be amazingly cryptic if the song structures for every track matched up like they do with OTBOA and PMU.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 28, 2011, 09:02:19 AM
But why those animals?

TOT: Ravens
8V: Octopus
SC: Ants
BL&SL: Elephants
ADTOE: Frogs

SO what next? Leopards or skunks? Bear could be good choice.

Ravens - Harbingers of bad news.
Octopus - Eight limbs.
Ants - Look tiny and chaotic, but work together to build systematic larger communities.
Elephants - Have long memories.
Frogs - errrr - Plagues of Egypt, perhaps?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on July 28, 2011, 09:07:39 AM
But why those animals?

TOT: Ravens
8V: Octopus
SC: Ants
BL&SL: Elephants
ADTOE: Frogs

SO what next? Leopards or skunks? Bear could be good choice.

Ravens - Harbingers of bad news.
Octopus - Eight limbs.
Ants - Look tiny and chaotic, but work together to build systematic larger communities.
Elephants - Have long memories.
Frogs - errrr - Plagues of Egypt, perhaps?

https://www.whats-your-sign.com/animal-symbolism-frog.html

"When the frog jumps into your life it may indicate now is a time to find opportunities in transition. We see animal symbolism of transition with the frog in its unique growth cycle. The frog undergoes incredible transformations to reach the destination of full adulthood, and so do we as humans."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on July 28, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
It's gotta be about Battletoads.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 28, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
Frogs, Locusts, and now Sheep/Lamb it seems...  Now all we need are Lions and we have Syllabiblical  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 28, 2011, 09:10:14 AM
I think... if you look on the sleeve, where the frog's included, you can see that it's on a lilypad, with a shark under the water.

I imagine Hugh Syme was giggling his little heart out when he came up with that one, as it's a Dramatic Turn of Events inasmuch as a shark is in a garden pond, and the shark can be described as being Beneath the Surface. Most of his images do involve interpreting the titles in as many ways as possible.

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dynimages/23159.jpg)

There, on the far right.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 28, 2011, 09:13:44 AM
I think... if you look on the sleeve, where the frog's included, you can see that it's on a lilypad, with a shark under the water.

I imagine Hugh Syme was giggling his little heart out when he came up with that one, as it's a Dramatic Turn of Events inasmuch as a shark is in a garden pond, and the shark can be described as being Beneath the Surface.

(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dynimages/23159.jpg)

There, on the far right.

Looks like a normal fish to me.  :|

Its really hard to tell with that small resolution though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2011, 09:16:25 AM
Maybe it's a frog eating fish.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 28, 2011, 09:17:37 AM
Maybe it's a frog eating fish.

Or even a shark-eating frog... now THAT would be a dramatic turn of events.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2011, 09:18:18 AM
I think it's a catshark. I know nothing about sharks, so this is from 2 minutes of random googling.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 28, 2011, 10:03:23 AM
Mike Portnoy is the shark.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: antigoon on July 28, 2011, 10:16:26 AM
I think this new record is going to be good, but men,
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 28, 2011, 10:23:58 AM
I think this new record is going to be good, but men,
They are raining?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 28, 2011, 10:24:29 AM
on the streets on new york city..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ghostnotes on July 28, 2011, 10:27:56 AM
Nice save.  Indeed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 28, 2011, 11:07:11 AM
Life to save life?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 28, 2011, 11:23:34 AM
The artwork fits what the bands going through. You have a clown in this circus, which symbolizes the band, he's on a unicycle hoping to get across ADToE. The plane is the fans watching from afar, since it has the Majesty symbol.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 28, 2011, 11:25:16 AM
i see it as, the break in the rope was the dramatic event(s) and the unicyclist made it overand has smooth riding ahead to the future
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 28, 2011, 11:26:40 AM
have you guys seen the digital single cover yet?

https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311864830&sr=301-1

It could be a lot better.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 28, 2011, 11:27:07 AM
Agreed. But they haven't made it across yet, The band are on the tightrope now.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 28, 2011, 11:56:14 AM
Agreed. But they haven't made it across yet, The band are on the tightrope now.
like the clown

have you guys seen the digital single cover yet?

https://www.amazon.com/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EQA5ZU/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311864830&sr=301-1

It could be a lot better.
I actually like that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ghostnotes on July 28, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
WAT?

(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519dTvxv5sL._SS500_.jpg)

RUN SHEEEEEEP!  Run to the hillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllls!!!

L.O.L.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 28, 2011, 12:07:51 PM
welp, looks like that sheep is gonna ruin my enjoyment of a song ive already heard
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2011, 12:10:35 PM
Guys, I see an FPS game tie-in with the single. Something like COD:OTBOA
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on July 28, 2011, 12:11:09 PM
See, I think aesthetically it looks quite nice. But the concept is quite amusing and a bit silly.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 28, 2011, 12:16:33 PM
See, I think aesthetically it looks quite nice. But the concept is quite amusing and a bit silly.
It's well composed, but while crucial to the concept, the red-wash makes it look kind of ugly. He could've at least put a black circle around it, like the James Bond intro, for instance. Or, text at the bottom saying something like "Target locked." It's not a very interesting execution of the concept, and it's not a particularly clever spin.

Not to mention, I don't think the concept has much to do with the song, bar the fact that it vaguely resembles a line in it. It's like he heard the line "lamb to the slaughter" and went "oh, that'll do." It doesn't have anything to do with the lyrical themes. It's not very elegant, and doesn't encapsulate the song at all. "Hey! It's like a... um... lamb!"

I don't hate it, but I'm not impressed.

EDIT: Even putting angel-wings on a lamb would've been better. The lamb to the slaughter is then implicit, and it's got something to do with the song's title, at the very least.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 28, 2011, 12:18:28 PM
the clown owns the sheep?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 28, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
@Darklord: If you read my earlier post, the clown is the band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on July 28, 2011, 12:21:31 PM
In my own twisted mind, the sheep opens its mouth, large pointy teeth start to grow, and a tentacle-like tongue flies towards the sniper gripping his neck and ripping it from his body.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 28, 2011, 12:22:02 PM
What if the sheep IS the clown?

(https://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l852bx0WFV1qanl00o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Psy on July 28, 2011, 12:26:24 PM
Perhaps someone here could come up with a more suitable cover?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 28, 2011, 12:28:04 PM
I thought that's what Zydar just did......
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ghostnotes on July 28, 2011, 12:30:13 PM
HEADSHOT.  M-M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL (KILL, Kill, kill...)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on July 28, 2011, 12:57:44 PM
Is that for real? :rollin

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on July 28, 2011, 01:21:52 PM
From Gianluca Trombetta, JR tech

Quote
Gig in Poland today. They will be shooting a video for the new single from DT's new album. Hope tonight's show is as awesome as last nights!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on July 28, 2011, 01:23:12 PM
I guess it's not OTBOA, so BMUBMD?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 28, 2011, 01:23:53 PM
I'm guessing it's a video of OTBOA shot in a live setting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 28, 2011, 01:24:14 PM
The video is gonna begin with that shot from the Wither video of MP waving goodbye.

Also, why would it not be OTBOA?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2011, 01:30:42 PM
The DT logo isn't centered on the single cover. BOOOOOOO

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on July 28, 2011, 01:34:38 PM
IMHO, 'cause OTBOA has already done its work: over 1million views on youtube.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2011, 01:38:19 PM
IMHO, 'cause OTBOA has already done its work: over 1million views on youtube.


But have 1 million people really seen the video or have there been multiple viewings by the same people? Still a lot though, if that were the case.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aefenwelg on July 28, 2011, 01:42:49 PM
I think it was actually 1 million views by one person.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 28, 2011, 01:45:55 PM
I think it was actually 1 million views by one person.


DAMNIT NICK!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 28, 2011, 01:55:50 PM
among the worst comments you can see on a youtube video

'lulz i think the view counter is broken, its only counting my 1,000,000 views!!'
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rich Wilson on July 28, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Spoiler Warning!

My first impressions of the album now up over at www.rich-wilson.com (https://www.rich-wilson.com)

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Edergilmour on July 28, 2011, 03:11:22 PM
Reading it right now!!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on July 28, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
Sounds good Rich. Bridges' sounds interesting to say the least.

Is this whats gunna be in the new CR:Prog mag or is it more detailed?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rich Wilson on July 28, 2011, 03:17:01 PM
I'm not reviewing the album for any mag so I thought I'd pop one up there.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Psy on July 28, 2011, 03:19:17 PM
Okay. Now I'm doubly excited for September 13th!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JeM7BsB on July 28, 2011, 03:20:05 PM
Spoiler Warning!

My first impressions of the album now up over at www.rich-wilson.com (https://www.rich-wilson.com)



Would love to read it but can't get any pages on your site to work in either Safari or Firefox on my iMac?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on July 28, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
Would be nice to have a dedicated thread for reviews since it seems they're starting to flow. Mods OK with that?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on July 28, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
I'm not reviewing the album for any mag so I thought I'd pop one up there.

Rich, great review! Really looking forward to this album! Seen as you gave us a line from This is the Life could we have a line from the new Myung lyrics please?  :angel: EDIT: Or at least how his lyrics hold up to his past ones :) Just something I'm very curious about.

I'm also curious about LaBrie, I'm really hoping he sings some incredible melodies on this album  :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 28, 2011, 03:37:18 PM
Sounds great, Rich! There are some things I'm rather cautious about, but all in all, it seems like this album is going to be really good (without wanting to jinx it, mind you).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2011, 08:41:10 PM
Spoiler Warning!

My first impressions of the album now up over at www.rich-wilson.com (https://www.rich-wilson.com)



Would love to read it but can't get any pages on your site to work in either Safari or Firefox on my iMac?


Me neither.  Why not just copy and paste the review here?   
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: WaterToFire on July 28, 2011, 08:49:18 PM
I just tried to copy and paste it but for some reason the page does not respond... I can't highlight text. This is probably related to why you can't access it in the first place.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: composure77 on July 28, 2011, 08:54:24 PM
I stopped at "a fresh and frankly stunning album in ADTOE"  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on July 28, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
Here's a recap from both reviews:

-classic, fresh, stunning
-attention to detail, production
-more prog than metal
-spirit of IAW, SFAM
-no growls

BUILD ME UP, BREAK ME DOWN
-epic riffs
-heavy bass
-catchy chorus
-pop influence

LOST NOT FORGOTTEN
-epic riffs
-catchy chorus
-emphasis on keyboards (70's like)
-finale comprised of complex interplay between JP and JR

THIS IS THE LIFE
-possible references to MP's leaving
-"Some of us choose to live gracefully/ Some can get caught in the maze and lose their way home/ This is the life we belong to"
-tranquil
-mellow
-emphasis on keys and vocals
-guitar solo a la David Gilmour

BENEATH THE SURFACE
-tranquil
-mellow
-string section
-hopeful

OUTCRY
-musically dextrous (like ADOE)
-striking vocal melody

BRIDGES IN THE SKY
-engaging
-opens and closes with sound of a battle cry

FAR FROM HEAVEN
-lifting, heartfelt piano/vocal duet

BREAKING ALL ILLUSIONS
-showcases Myung's bass playing
-great dynamics
-great JP solo


=======

So from that review, I predict the album will be similar to this tracklist I just made up:

1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Constant Motion
3. Endless Sacrifice
4. Wither
5. Raw Dog x 2
6. Home
7. One Last Time
8. Trial of Tears
9. Disappear
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on July 28, 2011, 09:05:10 PM
Cheers for the review, Rich!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 28, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
That battle cry really has me intrigued. It will probably go down as the cheesy moment of the album. However, I am extremely intrigued by it. It ends with it too according to that last track by track
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on July 28, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
That battle cry really has me intrigued. It will probably go down as the cheesy moment of the album. However, I am extremely intrigued by it. It ends with it too according to that last track by track
which one?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 28, 2011, 09:13:18 PM
That battle cry really has me intrigued. It will probably go down as the cheesy moment of the album. However, I am extremely intrigued by it. It ends with it too according to that last track by track
which one?
The Brazilian one that was translated a few pages back
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2011, 09:16:27 PM
Okay, I read the review over at 5/8 (it was copied and pasted there). 

Good review, but I take umbrage with the comment about there being bitterness that is still evident on both sides.  How has the DT side showed any bitterness?  And DT has never featured growling vocals, so how you can replace something that was never there? :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 28, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
I loved this review. Thanks, Rich!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 28, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Ahhhh! I'm really tempted to read the review, but at the same time, I don't want any spoilers. I'm torn.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on July 28, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Ahhhh! I'm really tempted to read the review, but at the same time, I don't want any spoilers. I'm torn.  :lol

The main character dies at the end.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on July 28, 2011, 09:49:08 PM
Ahhhh! I'm really tempted to read the review, but at the same time, I don't want any spoilers. I'm torn.  :lol

The main character leaves the band at the end.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on July 28, 2011, 09:54:42 PM
Ahhhh! I'm really tempted to read the review, but at the same time, I don't want any spoilers. I'm torn.  :lol

The main character leaves the band at the end.

It wasn't the end, because we're now discussing an 11th album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on July 28, 2011, 09:56:58 PM
What 11th album?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on July 28, 2011, 11:14:24 PM
>.>

Anyway, I'm willing to bet that if the epic Thomas Lang audition riff we all know and love appears on the album, I think it will appear in either BMUBMD or LNF, judging by the "epic riffs" description of both songs.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on July 28, 2011, 11:23:49 PM
Awesome review, Rich.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 29, 2011, 12:28:49 AM
Hey Rich, if you're reading this, are you able to tell us who wrote the lyrics for Lost Not Forgotten, This Is The Life, Outcry, and Far From Heaven?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Sixtease on July 29, 2011, 04:11:12 AM
Good review, but I take umbrage with the comment about there being bitterness that is still evident on both sides.  How has the DT side showed any bitterness?  And DT has never featured growling vocals, so how you can replace something that was never there? :P
this
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Rich Wilson on July 29, 2011, 05:45:04 AM
OK, cookie vocals - they were on the last album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 29, 2011, 06:01:35 AM
The video for On The Backs Of Angels was shot at yesterday's Poland show  :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on July 29, 2011, 06:02:06 AM
The video for On The Backs Of Angels was shot at yesterday's Poland show  :metal :metal

:metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GuineaPig on July 29, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
I wish "Breaking All Illusions" was the album title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 29, 2011, 06:42:40 AM
I wish "Breaking All Illusions" was the album title.

No, it should be called "The Shaman's Trance" and have a shaman dude on a unicycle on a bridge in the sky.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TAC on July 29, 2011, 06:51:37 AM
I had butterflies in my stomach reading Rich's review. I didn't want to read it, but how could I not? I simply cannot wait to hear this album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on July 29, 2011, 07:50:42 AM
I had butterflies in my stomach reading Rich's review. I didn't want to read it, but how could I not? I simply cannot wait to hear this album.

This. I am torn between starting to hunt for the leaks or wait until I will be able to cluth the CD with my bare hands.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 29, 2011, 08:01:23 AM
So is there any confirmation of yes instrumental/no instrumental?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Plasmastrike on July 29, 2011, 08:31:47 AM
So is there any confirmation of yes instrumental/no instrumental?
No confirmation on that yet :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 29, 2011, 08:58:38 AM
Man, even Rich isn't spilling? :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Hayden on July 29, 2011, 09:02:42 AM
This. I am torn between starting to hunt for the leaks or wait until I will be able to clutch the CD with my bare hands.
Do the latter. The experience of listening to an album for the first time is almost invariably enhanced by having the booklet's artwork to accompany it, especially with prog rock releases, which generally have quite amazing/interesting imagery within the booklet artwork.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshot on July 29, 2011, 09:05:03 AM
So is there any confirmation of yes instrumental/no instrumental?

Its looking very very unlikely...  All the reviews I've seen so far have mentioned lyrics for just about every song, and I don't remember if there were any songs they didn't mention lyrics or vocals.  I have definitely not seen any mention of instrumentals however...

It sounds to me the shorter songs are mostly ballady or piano/vocal duets.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 29, 2011, 09:09:51 AM
I'm sure the reviews would have already mentioned an instrumental.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 29, 2011, 09:14:44 AM
So is there any confirmation of yes instrumental/no instrumental?

I don't think there is.  We have lyricisists identified/deduced for:


1.   "On the Backs of Angels"
2.   "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"
5.   "Bridges in the Sky"
8.   "Breaking All Illusions"
9.   "Beneath the Surface"

And from Rich's review:

3.   "Lost Not Forgotten"      seems to have an "incredibly catch chorus"  
4.   "This is the Life"         lyrics are quoted
6.   "Outcry"                 has a "striking vocal melody"

Which leaves:

7.   "Far from Heaven"     which Rich calls a "lilting, heartfelt piano led track", and which I think the Brazilian review said was a vocal/piano duet
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 29, 2011, 09:21:46 AM
Damn.  After hearing the general tone of OTBOA, I was really hoping for one.  The sorta Circus Maximus-y air I'm getting from the whole album would've been great for an instrumental, very proggy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SjundeInseglet on July 29, 2011, 09:29:39 AM
>.>

Anyway, I'm willing to bet that if the epic Thomas Lang audition riff we all know and love appears on the album, I think it will appear in either BMUBMD or LNF, judging by the "epic riffs" description of both songs.

JP said that none of the test/audition riffs were used on the album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Hayden on July 29, 2011, 09:32:58 AM
So is there any confirmation of yes instrumental/no instrumental?

I don't think there is.  We have lyricisists identified/deduced for:


1.   "On the Backs of Angels"
2.   "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"
5.   "Bridges in the Sky"
8.   "Breaking All Illusions"
9.   "Beneath the Surface"

And from Rich's review:

3.   "Lost Not Forgotten"      seems to have an "incredibly catch chorus"  
4.   "This is the Life"         lyrics are quoted
6.   "Outcry"                 has a "striking vocal melody"

Which leaves:

7.   "Far from Heaven"     which Rich calls a "lilting, heartfelt piano led track", and which I think the Brazilian review said was a vocal/piano duet

Wow, hats-off to you, my friend. Very nicely done   :tup.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 29, 2011, 10:48:10 AM
So is there any confirmation of yes instrumental/no instrumental?

I don't think there is.  We have lyricisists identified/deduced for:


1.   "On the Backs of Angels"
2.   "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"
5.   "Bridges in the Sky"
8.   "Breaking All Illusions"
9.   "Beneath the Surface"

And from Rich's review:

3.   "Lost Not Forgotten"      seems to have an "incredibly catch chorus"  
4.   "This is the Life"         lyrics are quoted
6.   "Outcry"                 has a "striking vocal melody"

Which leaves:

7.   "Far from Heaven"     which Rich calls a "lilting, heartfelt piano led track", and which I think the Brazilian review said was a vocal/piano duet

Wow, hats-off to you, my friend. Very nicely done   :tup.


Thanks! 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on July 29, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
There is no instrumental according to the editor of rocking.gr who will review the album.
He in fact said :
"I experience an emotional rollercoaster each time i listen to the album, and i feel like it is the most demanding review i've ever done.
 I can assure you that the album has a lot of musical content, there is no instrumental, and there are 3 "ballalds" on the record."

I hope i translated it correctly from Greek. It sure sounds promising.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: IdoSC on July 29, 2011, 01:19:17 PM
Argh, I can't stand these news flashes. I get overly excited ><
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on July 29, 2011, 02:26:54 PM
(https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519dTvxv5sL._SS500_.jpg)

That's literally the most I've ever laughed at Dream Theater ever.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Aniland on July 29, 2011, 02:37:26 PM
Also, this excerpt is really beautiful: "Some of us choose to live gracefully/ Some can get caught in the maze and lose their way home/ This is the life we belong to"
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emindead on July 29, 2011, 03:15:20 PM
Quote from: Rich Wilson
Similarly engaging is Bridges In The Sky, even if the unexpected sound of an Aboriginal battle cry that opens the track does sound a touch like The Simpson’s Barney Gumble cracking out a hearty burp down in Moe’s Tavern.
I shuddered reading this.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on July 29, 2011, 04:55:30 PM
The cover for OTBoA is just... really not what I would have pictured for that song.

Also, just something that stood out for me on the Amazon page for the single;
Quote
Copyright: 2011 The All Blacks B.V.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on July 29, 2011, 05:49:54 PM
(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/DT_BITS.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: WaterToFire on July 29, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
It appears that DT and JR specifically have found Rich Wilson's review.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on July 29, 2011, 07:43:22 PM
How do you know?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on July 29, 2011, 07:44:47 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/Jcrudess/status/97086534888603648 (https://twitter.com/#!/Jcrudess/status/97086534888603648)

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150250134122181&id=7677942180 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150250134122181&id=7677942180)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on July 29, 2011, 08:27:17 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 29, 2011, 09:53:10 PM
While reading this review was weird a little. because I was not sure if I want to read it ;) especially reviews of the particular songs ;) I cannot wait :) and preorder is available in Poland NOW!! :yarr
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chaotic_ripper on July 30, 2011, 07:04:50 AM
The cover for OTBoA is just... really not what I would have pictured for that song.

Also, just something that stood out for me on the Amazon page for the single;
Quote
Copyright: 2011 The All Blacks B.V.

Yeah, that's been on all their stuff since switching to RoadRunner. I don't get it either though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: CapricornOne on July 30, 2011, 07:43:08 AM

Yeah, that's been on all their stuff since switching to RoadRunner. I don't get it either though.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-business/598415-all-blacks-b-v.html (https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-business/598415-all-blacks-b-v.html)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 30, 2011, 03:03:35 PM
Is there any site in Europe where I can pre-order  ADToe(except Play.com, the don't ship in Croatia)? If I pre-order from RoadRunner Store when they will send it to me?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on July 30, 2011, 03:13:25 PM
Check out cdwow.com - they have a few European sites, I don't know what country you are in, so have a look at the bottom.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: duncan3dc on July 30, 2011, 03:30:15 PM
Is there any site in Europe where I can pre-order  ADToe(except Play.com, the don't ship in Croatia)? If I pre-order from RoadRunner Store when they will send it to me?

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/ (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/)

Looks like they have several countries on there for pre-order
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 30, 2011, 03:31:51 PM
Check out cdwow.com - they have a few European sites, I don't know what country you are in, so have a look at the bottom.
Thanks, but they don't ship to Croatia :-[
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 30, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
Is there any site in Europe where I can pre-order  ADToe(except Play.com, the don't ship in Croatia)? If I pre-order from RoadRunner Store when they will send it to me?

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/ (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/dreamtheaterdeluxe/)

Looks like they have several countries on their for pre-order
I forgot ;D
Thanks :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 30, 2011, 09:54:34 PM
In Poland all ADTOE first sell dates are set up for 9th September. Nice surprise ;) Have to check if it is all Europe or only my part.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JoSeM90DT on July 31, 2011, 12:16:53 AM
I just found this picture while I was checking on Ticketmaster.com

(https://media.ticketmaster.com/tm/en-us/dbimages/86984a.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 31, 2011, 01:09:55 AM
Wow Mangini needs only a beard and he will be just like Paul Bostaph  :biggrin: :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on July 31, 2011, 01:17:24 AM
JMX always has the same pose.  :heart
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 31, 2011, 01:18:46 AM
doesnt look like the most flattering picture
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: orcus116 on July 31, 2011, 01:20:35 AM
No band promo shots are.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 31, 2011, 01:22:03 AM
No band promo shots are.

true. just looks like a bad angle.


but not a big deal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on July 31, 2011, 01:28:46 AM
Yeah I don't like the angle at all.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 31, 2011, 02:02:38 AM
In Poland all ADTOE first sell dates are set up for 9th September. Nice surprise ;) Have to check if it is all Europe or only my part.

It's most likely all of Europe except for the UK, as far as I know.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 31, 2011, 02:11:55 AM
I think that picture will be used within the album packaging......you can see it on the layout pic of the box set.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on July 31, 2011, 02:33:33 AM
I just found this picture while I was checking on Ticketmaster.com

(https://media.ticketmaster.com/tm/en-us/dbimages/86984a.jpg)
Looks cool. We need a bigger resolution, though...  :smiley:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 31, 2011, 03:32:57 AM
In Poland all ADTOE first sell dates are set up for 9th September. Nice surprise ;) Have to check if it is all Europe or only my part.

It's most likely all of Europe except for the UK, as far as I know.
So, we'll get the ADTOE 4 days earlier than US?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on July 31, 2011, 03:33:45 AM
I suppose so. It has been the case with SC and BCASL.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on July 31, 2011, 03:36:49 AM
Yeah, releases differ from place to place, usually to give the album a better shot at the chart. Lots of mainland Europe releases albums on a Friday, so yeah, you'll be getting all of your albums a good four days ahead of general worldwide release. UK, Australia and... er, some other places (France, maybe?), release albums on a Monday, 'cause the charts are compiled on Sundays, so I'll be getting it on the Monday. Also on a Monday is the Billboard update, so the US tends to get their CDs last, on Tuesdays.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on July 31, 2011, 03:39:48 AM
Wow, I was thinking that 13th September is actually Friday, and I was pretty sure about that ;) but now, I know that I'm wrong :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 31, 2011, 06:00:47 AM
Say what you will about the photo itself, but MM really looks like he belongs to this band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on July 31, 2011, 08:02:50 AM
That photo is actually very back-in-the-day:ish. Brings me back to Awake/FII-era. That's a good thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on July 31, 2011, 09:09:07 AM
The photo is very fresh. It goes very well with the lighter artwork of the album over all and feels very much like a new beginning. Good.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 31, 2011, 09:35:12 AM
I just found this picture while I was checking on Ticketmaster.com

(https://media.ticketmaster.com/tm/en-us/dbimages/86984a.jpg)
Looks cool. We need a bigger resolution, though...  :smiley:

This got scaled down, so right click and view the image.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/csiapproach.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on July 31, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
 :lol

What's the image in his eye? I can't make it out too well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 31, 2011, 10:01:10 AM
It's the guy holding a camera. Geez, you'd make a terrible CSI.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on July 31, 2011, 10:22:10 AM
I just found this picture while I was checking on Ticketmaster.com

(https://media.ticketmaster.com/tm/en-us/dbimages/86984a.jpg)
Looks cool. We need a bigger resolution, though...  :smiley:

This got scaled down, so right click and view the image.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/csiapproach.jpg)

Oh my God. :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on July 31, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
That's the picture that's inside the booklet to the album. Nice to know.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: gabeh1018 on July 31, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
I really need this damn album now, I get so depressed everytime otBoA's ends
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 31, 2011, 07:43:34 PM
Just read this from a couple of months ago. It made me laugh.  :lol

yeh and I had this dream where dt play concert and i was all like "holy shit yeah amazing i love!" but my friend says "mike portnoy left the band 1 week ago" then who was drum?  :omg:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on July 31, 2011, 07:46:59 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DeanTheater on August 01, 2011, 05:16:58 AM
edit. got me answer
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on August 01, 2011, 05:22:53 AM
It's actually a hidden track that you access by playing the album 20 times.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on August 01, 2011, 06:16:51 AM
A review in Greek (i hope google translate works well) https://rocking.gr/reviews/album/Dream_Theater_-_A_Dramatic_Turn_Of_Events/3662/ (https://rocking.gr/reviews/album/Dream_Theater_-_A_Dramatic_Turn_Of_Events/3662/)

When i have the time i will try to post a translation of the review.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: farsight on August 01, 2011, 06:37:21 AM
I cant wait for the translation and I wanted to read the Greek review so well so I did try google translate:
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For those closely following the progress of the band's new job is a great enigma, as the final word on that hitherto had by Portnoy and many think it is a prime challenge for others to prove that they are doing without him.
I changed my mind and decided to wait for your translation then.  :biggrin:
I like this sentence though:
Quote
I really thought that musicians like Petrucci, a Myung, Rudess, or the even the Labrie have reason to prove their worth or their ability?
I guess this confirms that John Myung is a cyborg? and you cant describe the greatness of JLB with one the, you need two thes.  :metal

Its very interesting though, it says BMUBMD sounds like Linkin Park.
I'd like to see a proper translation of the two last paragraphs. seems like its saying that DT is missing Portnoy?

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on August 01, 2011, 06:45:50 AM
I think he said "he" was afraid of that, but it comes out that ADTOE is a good album, without great peaks but neither low points.

Sirtaki!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 01, 2011, 06:49:38 AM
Off-topic, but Greek looks like a beautiful language.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 01, 2011, 09:13:34 AM
Wow it's a long one. Can't wait for translation, and of course for 9th September ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on August 01, 2011, 09:49:06 AM
I'm a huge fan of The LaBrie.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on August 01, 2011, 10:21:26 AM
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The "Lost, Not Forgotten" is probably the most heavy song, pressing between "Train Of Thought" and "Scenes From A Memory", dynamic, with a straight character and the first orgies.
Orgies!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on August 01, 2011, 10:39:56 AM
Off-topic, but Greek looks like a beautiful language.

Oh, it is  :hat
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: eosforum on August 01, 2011, 10:46:35 AM
And this is the translation taken from another thread. It isn't perfect but it's quite easily understandable




A dramatic twist or maybe just a change of the times? Anyway in reality, this is the most discussed album ever released by the leaders of the progressive metal, Dream Theater. After a series of events that have been fully explained, first presented without their natural leader, drummer Mike Portnoy, Mike Mangini takes the heavy burden of his replacement. For those closely following the progress of the band's new job the new album is a great enigma, as Portnoy used to call the shots and many think it is a prime challenge for others to prove that they are doing fine without him . Did we really thought that musicians like Petrucci,  Myung, Rudess, or the even  Labrie have reason to prove their worth or their ability?
  
At this point is the big win of this album. The album is gaining substance and impressions, not as a result of sophisticated demonstration or sensationalism, but as a natural consequence of the quality of the work of the musicians who make up the band.  "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" is an excellent album and the continued hearings do not leave room for doubt on this, as the playing and compositions contained therein break every disbelief. What do we find in the new album? Dense and robustness, many inspired ideas, and compositions which regardless of length hold their consistency as well as some small-but significant-enough differences from the recent past and recent recordings of the band.
 
Initially, the production seems ideal, but noone will the "growling" vocals of Portnoy, as well, only as positive can be characterized by the abandonment of sci-fi themes in the lyrics with a shift to a more human-centered issues. In addition, you will not hear in the songs Metallica, Tool, Muse signs or any other influence adhere, only Dream Theater, while the Rudess seems to have stopped the experiments with the keytar solo or iphone and has regained full range sounds that will remind many fans cheering because the statement of membership in the band. But not crazy, there is no great return of Dream Theater that many will try to sell, and never left the limelight to return, never did discount vision and their quality, just the new album aside the information puzzled a significant portion of their followers, focusing on those for which loved more.
 
On the other hand, this involves a large trap that may work slightly inhibitory, and the album feels like the safe choice on some levels, and many structures are embedded in older songs, not too long or unattractive, but marked as an approach not characterized them as a band ever. Possibly the fact that from the most commercially successful album of their career to be an important and substantial justification, but the course of Dream Theater has always been full of risks, surprises and records whether liked or not ultimately give them a separate identity. Remember how every few risks taken from the "Scenes From A Memory" in "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence", in "Train Of Thought" and "Octavarium". Here you will find a special surprise, a novel or a risk to the 9 songs and 77 minutes duration of the album, but you will find lots of music, ie a lot of stuff.
 
The "On The Back Of Angels" has been quite some time now, without anything particularly impressive, beautifully opens the disc, being partly characteristic of the style of the album, with the theme played by Petrucci to the bridge apart. The "Bring Me Up, Break Me Down" is "commercial" song of the album with an introduction reminiscent of Linkin Park (!) Bringing to mind a more heavy and prog version of "These Walls" and featuring the most catchy refrain on the album and probably will and choice of company for a possible video. The "Lost, Not Forgotten" is probably the most heavy song, pressing between "Train Of Thought" and "Scenes From A Memory", dynamic, with a straight character and the first orgies. The "This Is The Life" is the first ballad, with lyrics dealing with several personal choices that make everyone's life, while referring to the slight sound of "Sacrified Sons", with plenty of piano and emotional solos do Petrucci difference. The "Bridges In The Sky" and "Outcry" below are two 11lepta prog epics, which will find all the elements that have made the great Theater. Amazing harmonies, great instrumental parts, oriental scales, very beautiful chorus in the first and second transitions, and very concise interpretations by Labrie.
 
Of course, the pioneers are the Petrucci and near his Rudess, in kresenta inspiration that will bring even Liquid Tension Experiment oases in the eyes of most observational. The second ballad of the album, the "Far From Heaven" is a four-minute song with piano and voice in which the personal lyrics, written in first person, perhaps sent to Portnoy. Music is not as simplistic as Vacant, nor the logic of "Answer Lies Within" or "Wither", presenting a more prog logic and a very expressive interpretation. The "Breaking All Illusions" is the song that will stand out rather easily among fans, being provocative prog, inspiring and lasting changes, and stamped Myung, who mobilized to contribute to the alliance. Maybe some points "clicked" a little more to the logic of "Learning To Live", but ultimately to 12 minutes of standing as a prominent self-luminous composition. The album closes with the third in a series of ballad, which is a relaxed easy listening song, which the Petrucci is primarily intended for personal use, but eventually was used to close the album with a tendency to melancholy, while quite beautiful, and not sensational.
 
Every heard of the disk can be approached from a different side of focusing on what is offered unilaterally by each member, as Dream Theater had never superficial crisis than anyone, which is a blessing and curse them. In this logic, that Petrucci is once again gripping in many ways, the Rudess doing better overall appearance for many years, Myung shows more active than the recent past and Labrie show really concise explanations, avoiding the contortions voice. Finally, Mangini is flawless in performance, blends very well with others, highlights the instrumental parts and makes his absence to Portnoy seems as painless as possible, filling the gap dramatically, a vacuum of things we know will not meet never fully.
 
For if "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" would be quality I had great doubt, but that is so good I am delighted, as the exodus of Portnoy seemed to bring the band at a crossroads without a leader and hence no orientation . Leaving the Portnoy took with him the details of the nature of the band, namely the stubbornness, the genius, the opadismo and megalomania. This results in the disk than in the past to stand up without touching peaks, but no trace of low flying or weak points. Attention, however, to those who will speak on the level "Images And Words", "Awake" or "Scenes From A Memory", since such comparisons conceal a cheap marketing and irrelevance surrounding the history of this great band.
 
Finally, after what happened in "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" is seen as a great victory for Dream Theater, worthy of high status who have achieved all these years and their quality. They seem to balance again between progressive and metal and reinvested in lyricism. And if in the middle got nightmares, we did not stop everyone to love this great band to continue to dream ...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on August 01, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
^^ If it's as good as this sounds, it could rank #2 on my DT album list. Unlikely to surpass I&W but you never know . . .
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 01, 2011, 11:14:15 AM
Now, I'm pumped for BMUBMD and LNF like hell  :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on August 01, 2011, 12:08:44 PM
Quote
At this point is the big win of this album.

*excited for the big win*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 01, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
Quote
At this point is the big win of this album.

*excited for the big win*
As am I.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on August 01, 2011, 12:27:36 PM
Quote
At this point is the big win of this album.

*excited for the big win*
As am I.
As I am.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 01, 2011, 12:44:03 PM
Quote
At this point is the big win of this album.

*excited for the big win*
As am I.
As I am.

 :yarr
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
orgies.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 01, 2011, 01:09:48 PM
orgies.

I'm sorry but that sentence has me trying to hold in my laughter here at work.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2011, 01:24:16 PM
The lack of tordenperle krall on this disc disappoints me.


Literally.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on August 01, 2011, 01:26:10 PM
:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on August 01, 2011, 01:30:14 PM
The lack of tordenperle krall on this disc disappoints me.


Literally.
Return to the root of funk.

But men.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on August 01, 2011, 01:32:44 PM
Return to the root of funk.
Allready there.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 01, 2011, 01:36:14 PM
lol yes
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on August 01, 2011, 01:52:33 PM
Return to the root of funk.
Allready there.
But have you mobilized to contribute to the alliance?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on August 01, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
Return to the root of funk.
Allready there.
But have you mobilized to contribute to the alliance?
Eh.. Yeah of course I have. And every Womp Rat is singing with new found joy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: farsight on August 01, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Labrie show really concise explanations, avoiding the contortions voice.
didnt know JLB once was a contortionist  :omg:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on August 01, 2011, 10:14:26 PM
Labrie show really concise explanations, avoiding the contortions voice.
didnt know JLB once was a contortionist  :omg:


Zook, I know you're reading this.  Please make it happen.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 02, 2011, 05:26:06 AM
From what little I can make out from that review, I am excited.  And yes, I have mobilized to contribute to the alliance.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 02, 2011, 06:03:12 AM
From what little I can make out from that review, I am excited.  And yes, I have mobilized to contribute to the alliance.

With the first orgies?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 02, 2011, 06:19:35 AM
I can preorder ADToE only from US site. Will I get it 9th or 13th September?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on August 02, 2011, 06:56:04 AM
I can preorder ADToE only from US site. Will I get it 9th or 13th September?
Probably 15th or so, honestly, given delivery time. Just get it in-store on the ninth - the trip to the shop is always more exciting than waiting for the post anyway.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 02, 2011, 07:14:44 AM
From what little I can make out from that review, I am excited.  And yes, I have mobilized to contribute to the alliance.

With the first orgies?
Of course.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on August 02, 2011, 07:36:05 AM
There must be some kind of mass-alliance-contributing-mobilization organized.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 02, 2011, 09:18:24 AM
There must be some kind of mass-alliance-contributing-mobilization organized.
Literally.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on August 02, 2011, 09:26:17 AM
I just pre-ordered the CD/DVD version. Chances are it won't arrive on the 13th unless they ship it early to arrive on time. *snip*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 02, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
I'm just gonna buy it the day it comes out. I'll check Best Buy, and if they don't have it, Wal-Mart. If neither has it (and I'm not sure if any other store has it in my lol-town), I'll order online.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on August 02, 2011, 09:42:16 AM
I know those that ordered through the Omega Order might get theirs a few days early.

Reason: The BC&SL box sets and other editions shipped at least a week before release and people were getting them on the Friday and Saturday before release. I didn't get mine until the day after release because the New Jersey USPS that Omega ships to was getting too many of the box sets, so they stopped shipping them for awhile
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on August 02, 2011, 09:45:00 AM
yea i got my BCSL box on the friday before
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on August 02, 2011, 09:52:41 AM
Lucky

This one has me concerned though because the ones in Europe don't ship until October. I hope that's not the case in the US
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2011, 10:27:05 AM
Labrie show really concise explanations, avoiding the contortions voice.
didnt know JLB once was a contortionist  :omg:


Zook, I know you're reading this.  Please make it happen.

(https://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k34/Zook85/labrie_contortionist.jpg)
 

:biggrin:

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on August 02, 2011, 10:28:56 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jaffa on August 02, 2011, 10:29:33 AM
YES!   :metal :tup :hefdaddy :clap: and et cetera! 

I knew I could count on you, Zook.  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 02, 2011, 10:46:03 AM
GasparXR, please refer to the rules:

Quote
2a. Sharing, requests for sharing, offers to share, or discussion of illegally obtaining pirated material is strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, warez, direct links, asking for links/files, and hinting at resources for finding the material.

That is a warning.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on August 02, 2011, 10:51:01 AM
Thank you, thank you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on August 02, 2011, 11:02:40 AM
GasparXR, please refer to the rules:

Quote
2a. Sharing, requests for sharing, offers to share, or discussion of illegally obtaining pirated material is strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, warez, direct links, asking for links/files, and hinting at resources for finding the material.

That is a warning.


Sorry, hef. Didn't know I crossed a boundary with my post.

And @Zook: :clap:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 02, 2011, 11:35:31 AM
I need to pre-order the $100 box set soon.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on August 02, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
I'm confused. Is the release date still the 13th?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 02, 2011, 12:52:01 PM
Its almost a month away. I'm so excited to hear BMU,BMD, BITS, and Outcry.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on August 02, 2011, 12:58:42 PM
Totally going to pre-order this once I get a bit more money.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 02, 2011, 01:04:31 PM
I'm confused. Is the release date still the 13th?
In US yes. In Europe 9th.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on August 02, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
I'm confused. Is the release date still the 13th?
In US yes. In Europe 9th.
Lucky Europeans.   :\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkEternalNight on August 02, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
Europeans get every damn thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: abydos on August 03, 2011, 01:22:49 AM
I'm confused. Is the release date still the 13th?
In US yes. In Europe 9th.
Lucky Europeans.   :\
It's how things should be when you pay more for the same thing xd
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 03, 2011, 04:42:44 AM
I'm confused. Is the release date still the 13th?
In US yes. In Europe 9th.
Lucky Europeans.   :\
It's how things should be when you pay more for the same thing xd
Even, if this is a joke, in Poland prices of everything are now so high that You even cannot imagine...gas, tickets, even food is more expensive than ever in here, I'm not even writing about CD's... BC&SL boxset costs here sth about 580 PLN, which is almost 150 EUROS.... and almost 200 $......  :-\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on August 03, 2011, 03:55:18 PM
I just got an email from The Omega Order.

Those who order the box set in North America, box sets start shipping one week BEFORE release in the order of shipping priority.
And the construction of the boxset is similar to Black Clouds
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on August 03, 2011, 05:54:07 PM
I'm confused. Is the release date still the 13th?
In US yes. In Europe 9th.
Lucky Europeans.   :\
It's how things should be when you pay more for the same thing xd

Sorry, this ain't 2007 anymore
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on August 04, 2011, 01:00:25 PM
From Fb
Quote
Dream Theater catches up with Roadrunner Records while at High Voltage. Check out the latest interview and get ready for new music tomorrow!

??????????
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on August 04, 2011, 01:14:44 PM
I call Build Me Up, Break Me Down released tomorrow
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 04, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
Yep, probably  :D I'm excited but I don't know if I want to hear second song from unreelased album :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on August 04, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Yep, probably  :D I'm excited but I don't know if I want to hear second song from unreelased album :P

Oh, sure Cody... :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 04, 2011, 01:43:53 PM
Yep, probably  :D I'm excited but I don't know if I want to hear second song from unreelased album :P

Oh, sure Cody... :D

OK, You win  :angel:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 04, 2011, 02:40:23 PM
Someone confirm this asap.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on August 04, 2011, 02:41:09 PM
Someone confirm this asap.

Dream Theater's Facebook.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 04, 2011, 02:41:54 PM
Someone confirm this asap.

Dream Theater's Facebook.
It says they are posting a new song tomorrow?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bloop on August 04, 2011, 02:44:48 PM
"New music tomorrow."
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ResultsMayVary on August 04, 2011, 03:08:18 PM
"New music tomorrow."
Not really specific enough for me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on August 04, 2011, 03:09:15 PM
https://www.amazon.de/On-The-Backs-Of-Angels/dp/B005EUC66W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312492137&sr=8-1

Probably this. OtBoA goes live tomorrow in Europe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: metropofreak on August 04, 2011, 04:25:51 PM
Anyone seen this yet?

https://pastebin.com/6t0YJB16
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: John94 on August 04, 2011, 04:29:57 PM
Yeah it's in another thread. Looks/sounds awesome though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jise on August 05, 2011, 09:15:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrrapMGIx8&feature=player_profilepage

This was the new music... 1 minute of Bridges in the sky !!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on August 05, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
At least it's not 30 seconds.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on August 05, 2011, 09:42:35 AM
Interesting that the Metal Archives (which is by far the most complete and accurate metal website) has the track lengths listed for 4 of the songs and 3 are radically different from what was published by RR.  :huh:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: nikatapi on August 05, 2011, 09:44:48 AM
This is from the RR website:

With the impending release of DREAM THEATER's upcoming album, A Dramatic Turn Of Events, the band have decided to reveal a selection of album components and teasers to get you lot excited about the release (as if you need tempting!?). The first clip in the series is titled Bridges In The Sky and can be viewed on DREAM THEATER's official YouTube channel by CLICKING HERE.

So i guess there will be more snippets and teasers as we get closer to the release date...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on August 05, 2011, 09:59:37 AM
Ooh, more snippets to come!  :metal

Very cool, I'm always into hearing some bits before the album, it's exciting.  :smiley:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on August 05, 2011, 10:01:47 AM
This is from the RR website:

With the impending release of DREAM THEATER's upcoming album, A Dramatic Turn Of Events, the band have decided to reveal a selection of album components and teasers to get you lot excited about the release (as if you need tempting!?). The first clip in the series is titled Bridges In The Sky and can be viewed on DREAM THEATER's official YouTube channel by CLICKING HERE.

So i guess there will be more snippets and teasers as we get closer to the release date...


Sounds great!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 05, 2011, 10:10:48 AM
yesh
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 05, 2011, 12:22:37 PM
 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on August 05, 2011, 12:25:26 PM
I kinda wish they wouldn't do that tbh.. I don't want to hear any more until I have the whole album, but I know I won't be able to resist listening to the samples..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on August 05, 2011, 12:27:36 PM
Hey guys, we have a new entry in "wtf fictional DT releases", aka reputable sites putting up listings for things that flat out don't exist.
This time it's HMV.ca, with a Dream Theater DVD titled 'Panem & Circensis' that apparently came out on April 26th of this year. It can be yours for only $21.99! It's literally the second thing to come up on their site if you search Dream Theater.
https://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/613033.aspx

I know DT aren't the biggest band in the world, but you'd think a store, especially a large well known one, would make sure a product at least exists before listing it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 05, 2011, 12:36:32 PM
Hey guys, we have a new entry in "wtf fictional DT releases", aka reputable sites putting up listings for things that flat out don't exist.
This time it's HMV.ca, with a Dream Theater DVD titled 'Panem & Circensis' that apparently came out on April 26th of this year. It can be yours for only $21.99! It's literally the second thing to come up on their site if you search Dream Theater.
https://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/613033.aspx

I know DT aren't the biggest band in the world, but you'd think a store, especially a large well known one, would make sure a product at least exists before listing it.
In Poland is the same situation. You can find this DVD in every bigger store in music part. It's nothing more than Romavarium with different cover....
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JoSeM90DT on August 05, 2011, 02:07:28 PM
(https://i55.tinypic.com/ekj0nk.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Storm Rider on August 05, 2011, 02:09:41 PM
I like their new non-MITOL style.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 05, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
Hey guys, we have a new entry in "wtf fictional DT releases", aka reputable sites putting up listings for things that flat out don't exist.
This time it's HMV.ca, with a Dream Theater DVD titled 'Panem & Circensis' that apparently came out on April 26th of this year. It can be yours for only $21.99! It's literally the second thing to come up on their site if you search Dream Theater.
https://hmv.ca/Products/Detail/613033.aspx

I know DT aren't the biggest band in the world, but you'd think a store, especially a large well known one, would make sure a product at least exists before listing it.
In Poland is the same situation. You can find this DVD in every bigger store in music part. It's nothing more than Romavarium with different cover....

Yeah I bought this DVD in April probably. Not bad sound quality, I thought it was worth the purchase.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on August 05, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
(https://i55.tinypic.com/ekj0nk.jpg)

A little strange, but a nice change.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on August 05, 2011, 02:33:56 PM
JM looks ageless as always.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jarlaxle on August 05, 2011, 02:40:38 PM
JM looks ageless as always.
And he has his same old pose  :lol :heart

And JP looks likes he can't bring his arms any closer to his body because his muscles are so big.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on August 05, 2011, 03:16:20 PM
JM looks ageless as always.
And he has his same old pose  :lol :heart

And JP looks likes he can't bring his arms any closer to his body because his muscles are so big.
:lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on August 05, 2011, 04:54:01 PM
JLB is super chill in that photo.

I definitely like that, of the promo pics we've seen so far, they seem to have ditched the whole "TUFF METUL GUYZ RAWRRR!" approach.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 05, 2011, 10:02:12 PM
Petrucci looks like Russell Allen in that picture.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on August 06, 2011, 12:13:16 AM
https://i55.tinypic.com/ekj0nk.jpg

I like that picture.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on August 06, 2011, 12:19:22 AM
I definitely like that, of the promo pics we've seen so far, they seem to have ditched the whole "TUFF METUL GUYZ RAWRRR!" approach.

Yup. These are a refreshing change.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mbarak on August 06, 2011, 03:34:31 AM
Petrucci looks like Russell Allen in that picture.

Ditto. First thing that came to mind looking at the pic.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on August 06, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
One of the best promo shots I've seen for a while, I like the background.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ħ on August 06, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
I love the picture.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DetonationSequence on August 07, 2011, 03:48:23 AM
Alright, being the fervent worshipper at the altar of Rudess that I am, I can confirm what the first part of that fake Far From Heaven is; it's a piano piece called 'So It Is' from Jordan Rudess's solo album Secrets Of The Muse (said album is, IMO, the most beautiful thing I've ever heard - it's Jordan at his most emotive and evocative, and to think that people say all he can do is shred!).

Incidentally, I love both songs so much and the combination works so surprisingly well that I find myself often listening to the fake Far From Heaven and thinking that if it were a new DT song it'd be a favourite of mine.

Of course, the real FFH is already set to be an album highlight for me; there's no sounds more wonderful to me than James's voice and Jordan's piano playing, which is what FFH is confirmed to consist of entirely. If it's anything like the piano version of Wither (which I consider far superior to the album version and the best soft song DT have done since SDOIT with the possible exception of the oft-overlooked TALW) it's sure to be amazing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: sneakyblueberry on August 07, 2011, 03:49:17 AM
^ You have an awesome username.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DetonationSequence on August 07, 2011, 03:59:49 AM
Thank you! :) I initially planned to have one that somehow cleverly equated Rudess with the Judeo-Christian God concept, then saw there was a user named 'In The Name Of Rudess', cried myself to sleep at my own lack of originality and shortly thereafter decided that the best answer, as in every situation I've been in, was to solve the situation with explosions.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 07, 2011, 04:02:10 AM
...decided that the best answer, as in every situation I've been in, was to solve the situation with explosions.

Maybe you should have chosen "Mythbuster" as your username then.  :hat
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MetalManiac666 on August 08, 2011, 08:39:29 PM
lol (https://www.metalsucks.net/2011/08/08/dream-theater-used-clip-art-for-their-album-cover/)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 08, 2011, 08:40:32 PM
Oh dear... :lolpalm:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 08, 2011, 08:49:06 PM
poor clown
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mebert78 on August 08, 2011, 09:06:11 PM
Oh, boy.  Well, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the BC&SL cover images were clip art as well.  But I expect more from Hugh Syme.  Someone else here pointed out a month or two ago on a high-res version of the ADOTE cover art that the rope doesn't extend all the way to the left edge of the picture.  Kinda disappointing.  But I still like the cover.  I think it's a cool design and concept.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 08, 2011, 09:10:54 PM
Yeah, I really don't care about small things like that anyway.  If you don't like it, you can make your own and put that on iTunes instead.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on August 09, 2011, 05:17:54 AM
Nice countdown, guys!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on August 09, 2011, 05:20:32 AM
Nice countdown, guys!

Huh?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on August 09, 2011, 05:22:04 AM
Nice countdown, guys!

Huh?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/

It's the final countdown! Du-du-du-duuuu!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 09, 2011, 05:33:22 AM
Y'know I'm actually finding that the closer we get to the release date, the easier the wait is for me.  This is very unusual. :p
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 09, 2011, 05:36:27 AM
Y'know I'm actually finding that the closer we get to the release date, the easier the wait is for me.  This is very unusual. :p
Same. :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 09, 2011, 05:54:11 AM
That countdown doesn't work for me, as it should be only 30 days  ;D  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on August 09, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
https://www.bol.com/nl/p/muziek/a-dramatic-cddvd/1000004011586857/index.html#product_overview

Does anyone know what the hell all this means?


Disk 1
1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This Is the Life
5. Bridges in the Sky
6. Outcry
7. Far from Heaven
8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Beneath the Surface

Disk 2
1. The Spirit Carries On (Documentary DVD)
2. Chapter Selection Menu Loop (A Nightmare To Remember - Audition)
3. Wait for Sleep (Frag. 1)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 1)
5. Constant Motion (Frag. 1)
6. In the Presence of Enemies - Pt. 2 (Frag. 1)
7. Forsaken (Frag. 1)
8. Wither (Frag. 1)
9. The Count of Tuscany (Frag. 1)
10. The Dance of Eternity (Frag. 1)
11. The Best of Times (Frag. 1)
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 2)
13. One Last Time (Frag. 1)
14. Beyond This Life (Frag. 1)
15. Learning To Live (Frag. 1)
16. The Count of Tuscany (Frag. 2)
17. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 3)
18. A Change of Seasons (Frag. 1)
19. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 4)
20. A Rite of Passage (Frag. 1)
21. A Rite of Passage (Frag. 2)
22. The Shattered Fortress (Frag. 1)
23. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 1]
24. You Not Me (Frag. 1)
25. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 1]
26. These Walls (Frag. 1)
27. You Not Me (Frag. 2)
28. Blind Faith (Frag. 1)
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls (Frag. 1)
30. Audition Riff #1 (Frag. 1)
31. Forsaken (Frag. 2)
32. Learning To Live (Frag. 2)
33. Blind Faith (Frag. 2)
34. Take the Time (Frag. 1)
35. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 2]
36. The Spirit Carries On (Auditions) [frag. 1]
37. In the Name of God (Frag. 1)
38. Audition Jam #1 (Frag. 1)
39. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 5)
40. Audition Riff #2 (Frag. 1)
41. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (Frag. 1)
42. Forsaken (Frag. 3)
43. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 2]
44. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 3]
45. A Rite of Passage (Frag. 3)
46. Forsaken (Frag. 4)
47. Audition Riff #2 (Frag. 2)
48. Burning My Soul (Frag. 1)
49. Audition Riff #3 (Frag. 1)
50. Hell's Kitchen (Frag. 1)
51. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 6)
52. In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 (Frag. 1)
53. Audition Jam #2 (Frag. 1)
54. Stream of Consciousness (Frag. 1)
55. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 3]
56. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 4]
57. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 5]
58. 6:00 (Frag. 1)
59. Lie (Frag. 1)
60. Audition Riff #1 (Frag. 2)
61. A Nightmare To Remember (Frag. 1)
62. I Walk Beside You (Frag. 1)
63. The Count of Tuscany (Frag. 3)
64. Just Let Me Breathe (Frag. 1)
65. Audition Jam #3 (Frag. 1)
66. The Shattered Fortress (Frag. 2)
67. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 4]
68. Caught In A Web (Frag. 1)
69. The Spirit Carries On (Frag. 1)
70. The Shattered Fortress (Frag. 3)
71. Audition Riff #1 (Frag. 3)
72. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (Frag. 2)
73. The Dark Eternal Night (Frag. 1)
74. The Root of All Evil (Frag. 1)
75. Audition Jam #4 (Frag. 1)
76. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 6]
77. Wither (Frag. 2)
78. The Best of Times (Frag. 2)
79. Audition Riff #4 (Frag. 1)
80. The Best of Times (Frag. 3)
81. Overture 1928 (Frag. 1)
82. Audition Jam #5 (Frag. 1)
83. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 5]
84. A Change of Seasons (Frag. 2)
85. Octavarium (Frag. 1)
86. Constant Motion (Frag. 2)
87. Audition Riff #2 (Frag. 3)
88. Home (Frag. 1)
89. In the Name of God (Frag. 2)
90. Forsaken (Frag. 5)
91. Through Her Eyes (Frag. 1)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on August 09, 2011, 10:17:52 AM
https://www.bol.com/nl/p/muziek/a-dramatic-cddvd/1000004011586857/index.html#product_overview

Does anyone know what the hell all this means?


Disk 1
1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
3. Lost Not Forgotten
4. This Is the Life
5. Bridges in the Sky
6. Outcry
7. Far from Heaven
8. Breaking All Illusions
9. Beneath the Surface

Disk 2
1. The Spirit Carries On (Documentary DVD)
2. Chapter Selection Menu Loop (A Nightmare To Remember - Audition)
3. Wait for Sleep (Frag. 1)
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 1)
5. Constant Motion (Frag. 1)
6. In the Presence of Enemies - Pt. 2 (Frag. 1)
7. Forsaken (Frag. 1)
8. Wither (Frag. 1)
9. The Count of Tuscany (Frag. 1)
10. The Dance of Eternity (Frag. 1)
11. The Best of Times (Frag. 1)
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 2)
13. One Last Time (Frag. 1)
14. Beyond This Life (Frag. 1)
15. Learning To Live (Frag. 1)
16. The Count of Tuscany (Frag. 2)
17. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 3)
18. A Change of Seasons (Frag. 1)
19. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 4)
20. A Rite of Passage (Frag. 1)
21. A Rite of Passage (Frag. 2)
22. The Shattered Fortress (Frag. 1)
23. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 1]
24. You Not Me (Frag. 1)
25. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 1]
26. These Walls (Frag. 1)
27. You Not Me (Frag. 2)
28. Blind Faith (Frag. 1)
29. The Ministry of Lost Souls (Frag. 1)
30. Audition Riff #1 (Frag. 1)
31. Forsaken (Frag. 2)
32. Learning To Live (Frag. 2)
33. Blind Faith (Frag. 2)
34. Take the Time (Frag. 1)
35. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 2]
36. The Spirit Carries On (Auditions) [frag. 1]
37. In the Name of God (Frag. 1)
38. Audition Jam #1 (Frag. 1)
39. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 5)
40. Audition Riff #2 (Frag. 1)
41. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (Frag. 1)
42. Forsaken (Frag. 3)
43. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 2]
44. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 3]
45. A Rite of Passage (Frag. 3)
46. Forsaken (Frag. 4)
47. Audition Riff #2 (Frag. 2)
48. Burning My Soul (Frag. 1)
49. Audition Riff #3 (Frag. 1)
50. Hell's Kitchen (Frag. 1)
51. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Frag. 6)
52. In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 (Frag. 1)
53. Audition Jam #2 (Frag. 1)
54. Stream of Consciousness (Frag. 1)
55. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 3]
56. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 4]
57. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 5]
58. 6:00 (Frag. 1)
59. Lie (Frag. 1)
60. Audition Riff #1 (Frag. 2)
61. A Nightmare To Remember (Frag. 1)
62. I Walk Beside You (Frag. 1)
63. The Count of Tuscany (Frag. 3)
64. Just Let Me Breathe (Frag. 1)
65. Audition Jam #3 (Frag. 1)
66. The Shattered Fortress (Frag. 2)
67. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 4]
68. Caught In A Web (Frag. 1)
69. The Spirit Carries On (Frag. 1)
70. The Shattered Fortress (Frag. 3)
71. Audition Riff #1 (Frag. 3)
72. Metropolis, Pt. 1: the Miracle and the Sleeper (Frag. 2)
73. The Dark Eternal Night (Frag. 1)
74. The Root of All Evil (Frag. 1)
75. Audition Jam #4 (Frag. 1)
76. The Dance of Eternity (Auditions) [frag. 6]
77. Wither (Frag. 2)
78. The Best of Times (Frag. 2)
79. Audition Riff #4 (Frag. 1)
80. The Best of Times (Frag. 3)
81. Overture 1928 (Frag. 1)
82. Audition Jam #5 (Frag. 1)
83. A Nightmare To Remember (Auditions) [frag. 5]
84. A Change of Seasons (Frag. 2)
85. Octavarium (Frag. 1)
86. Constant Motion (Frag. 2)
87. Audition Riff #2 (Frag. 3)
88. Home (Frag. 1)
89. In the Name of God (Frag. 2)
90. Forsaken (Frag. 5)
91. Through Her Eyes (Frag. 1)

It'll be the soundtrack to the documentary. Some idiot will have copied it to the website thinking it's a tracklisting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 09, 2011, 10:19:04 AM
If you watch the DT documentary, that's listing the music snippets in the background. What a weird way to list it.

edit: damn, got Myung'd.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 09, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
And now just to refresh my memory, the standard edition doesn't come with the doc?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on August 09, 2011, 11:03:31 AM
And now just to refresh my memory, the standard edition doesn't come with the doc?
No but a fully educated nurse.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on August 09, 2011, 11:13:43 AM
And now just to refresh my memory, the standard edition doesn't come with the doc?

No, but you still get Marty McFly and a hoverboard.

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zook on August 09, 2011, 11:17:45 AM
:rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 09, 2011, 12:00:50 PM
(https://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj238/tawaen/GIF/applause.gif)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on August 09, 2011, 12:24:15 PM
Nice countdown, guys!

Huh?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/

It's the final countdown! Du-du-du-duuuu!
I assume you've also noticed the change to the image on that homepage?

Also, I deleted a few posts from this thread. Can I remind everyone of what is in this sticky thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24371.0

Even for all the fakes leaks out there, DO NOT POST THEM AND DO NOT DISCUSS THEM.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on August 09, 2011, 01:09:15 PM
Nice countdown, guys!

Huh?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/

It's the final countdown! Du-du-du-duuuu!
I assume you've also noticed the change to the image on that homepage?

Indeed I did, nice!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 09, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
Nice countdown, guys!

Huh?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/

It's the final countdown! Du-du-du-duuuu!
I assume you've also noticed the change to the image on that homepage?

Indeed I did, nice!
Very nice, well done ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 09, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
I love when a new Dream Theater album comes out.  Aside from the awesomeness of having great new music from a band I love, it becomes almost like a holiday for me.  It's like Christmas at DTF, it's so great.  I remember when BC&SL came out there was this awesome feeling of community as everyone got their copy and had their first and second listens, posted their thoughts, how I would post my progress in DT-Side chat as I listened and people would say, "Just wait till you get to X."

It's such a great feeling.  I cannot wait till September 13th.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: matt1722 on August 09, 2011, 06:51:45 PM
Nice countdown, guys!

Huh?

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/

It's the final countdown! Du-du-du-duuuu!

I assume you've also noticed the change to the image on that homepage?

Also, I deleted a few posts from this thread. Can I remind everyone of what is in this sticky thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24371.0

Even for all the fakes leaks out there, DO NOT POST THEM AND DO NOT DISCUSS THEM.

Haha I almost forgot that there was a homepage, I'm always directed straight to the forum, that's pretty cool though. A little over a month woot.

Matt
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on August 10, 2011, 06:52:00 AM
Guys, do we know if the CD/DVD edition on ADToE will be in a digipak or not?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on August 10, 2011, 06:54:51 AM
Guys, do we know if the CD/DVD edition on ADToE will be in a digipak or not?
Just CD = 14$
CD/DVD Special Edition = 16$
Super Mega Ultra Pack = 106$
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jayvee3 on August 10, 2011, 07:12:36 AM
Gday peeps - apologies if this has been posted already, but for anyone in Australia, according to the JB Hi Fi website, the album will be released here on the 9th September, with the normal CD at $19.99, and the special edition with doco for $25.99. JB are usually pretty spot on with thier releases too..
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 10, 2011, 07:20:16 AM
Guys, do we know if the CD/DVD edition on ADToE will be in a digipak or not?

I don't know, but I'm hoping not.  I suspect it will just be a 2-disc jewel case like they did for SC.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: cookienut on August 10, 2011, 07:26:16 AM
Gday peeps - apologies if this has been posted already, but for anyone in Australia, according to the JB Hi Fi website, the album will be released here on the 9th September, with the normal CD at $19.99, and the special edition with doco for $25.99. JB are usually pretty spot on with thier releases too..

That's where I'll get mine from! JBHiFi FTW - even though their staff are emo wannbies....I still shop there all the time.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TAC on August 10, 2011, 01:06:07 PM
The band is probably going to take a couple of weeks off, but with the release only 5 weeks away, I'm a little surprised by the lack of press ie. interviews that have surfaced regarding the new album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 10, 2011, 01:48:12 PM
Yeah, I feel like Roadrunner actually promoted this less than either previous RR-era album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 10, 2011, 02:51:47 PM
Yeah, I feel like Roadrunner actually promoted this less than either previous RR-era album.

 ???

A big "new drummer" documentary, frequent updates on the band/album including the new single being featured on the RR site (w/ over a million views!), releasing teasers in the run-up to release date, etc.?  DT have been doing regular interviews, it's just that touring in Europe, most of those interviews have been with European publications.  What more were you expecting? 
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on August 10, 2011, 02:56:34 PM
^That.

(Although I'm still holding out hope for the ultimate album promotion:  A Mike Mangini action figurrrrrrrrrrr)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 10, 2011, 03:17:36 PM
Yeah, I feel like Roadrunner actually promoted this less than either previous RR-era album.

 ???

A big "new drummer" documentary, frequent updates on the band/album including the new single being featured on the RR site (w/ over a million views!), releasing teasers in the run-up to release date, etc.?  DT have been doing regular interviews, it's just that touring in Europe, most of those interviews have been with European publications.  What more were you expecting? 

Some music, man!  The drummer thing was cool but it doesn't actually have anything to do with the album itself.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 11, 2011, 12:09:43 AM
Yeah, I feel like Roadrunner actually promoted this less than either previous RR-era album.

We are still a month or so out. I think they've done a decent amount of advertising so far considering that.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 11, 2011, 04:30:48 AM
I feel like we had a lot more to go on at this time before the SC release at least.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 11, 2011, 08:22:10 AM
I feel like we had a lot more to go on at this time before the SC release at least.

I dunno. They gave us 2 full songs before release IIRC (CM and TDEN).
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 11, 2011, 08:32:58 AM
They also had that promo video and parts of the making of were already available IIRC.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on August 11, 2011, 10:48:09 AM
So the DVD is just the Spirit Carries on Doc? :\
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on August 11, 2011, 10:54:15 AM
So the DVD is just the Spirit Carries on Doc? :\

Yep. Sucks
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 11, 2011, 10:57:35 AM
I really would have loved to have seen the full auditions, or at the very least Mangini's full audition. Considering this is his first album, I think it would be a nice extra for fans to see him playing some familiar DT stuff and familiarize them with his playing. It couldn't hurt.
And it's not like it would have required much effort to add them to the DVD. Just stick them on there.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on August 11, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Sorry for being a noob but what's the DVD on the special edition version?


https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Sp-Ed-CD-DVD
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on August 11, 2011, 12:57:58 PM
Sorry for being a noob but what's the DVD on the special edition version?


https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/Exclusives/DREAM-THEATER-A-Dramatic-Turn-Of-Events-Sp-Ed-CD-DVD

So the DVD is just the Spirit Carries on Doc? :\

Yep. Sucks

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on August 11, 2011, 05:33:26 PM
Well. I'll get it anyway, because I wouldn't mind having a high quality version of it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 12, 2011, 09:00:01 AM
Which is relase date for ADToE in Europe?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: petrucci07 on August 12, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
Which is relase date for ADToE in Europe?

September 12th.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 12, 2011, 12:04:41 PM
Which is relase date for ADToE in Europe?

September 12th.
Thanks.
I have found just two place from where I can pre-order it in Europe.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 12, 2011, 08:30:38 PM
Meh, I'm just gonna go with the standard, like always.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 13, 2011, 01:50:36 AM
Which is relase date for ADToE in Europe?
We have 9th September in Poland, even there are some announcements about it in some shops  ;D :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 13, 2011, 06:22:38 AM
ONE MORE MONTH TO GO!!! :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JimmyJava on August 13, 2011, 06:33:46 AM
Well. I'll get it anyway, because I wouldn't mind having a high quality version of it.
The Youtube version is 720p meaning it's better than a low-resolution DVD.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: yesrushdt on August 13, 2011, 06:34:11 AM
I really would have loved to have seen the full auditions, or at the very least Mangini's full audition.

Couldn't agree anymore man.  Hopefully they'll consider including Mangini's full audition as an extra on the next concert video release.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Heretic on August 13, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Just pre-ordered the Special Edition! Can't wait.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Tomislav95 on August 13, 2011, 11:33:30 AM
Which is relase date for ADToE in Europe?
We have 9th September in Poland, even there are some announcements about it in some shops  ;D :metal
Source? ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: voncorn on August 13, 2011, 11:42:50 AM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: dongringo on August 13, 2011, 02:35:12 PM
Well. I'll get it anyway, because I wouldn't mind having a high quality version of it.
The Youtube version is 720p meaning it's better than a low-resolution DVD.

The audio is still streaming at 96 kbps regardless of the 720p RESOLUTION setting.

That's a really good point. Compressed audio less than 320 kbps is noticeably worse than cd quality usually if listened to on a revealing source. 96 kbps is extremely low quality and should be taken as such.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TL on August 13, 2011, 03:09:56 PM
Another thing to consider; some DVD releases are actually 720p. Obviously if you play them with a DVD player on an SD display, it will only play in 480, but if you run such a DVD on a BluRay player, on an HDTV, it will use the full 720p feed.
Obviously it's not all DVDs, and it's completely unknown if they'll do that for this release, but it's possible.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Psy on August 13, 2011, 03:16:10 PM
I think I might just buy mine at HMV on the day it's released. I don't want to be stuck waiting for the CD to arrive a few days after!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on August 13, 2011, 03:23:47 PM
I think I might just buy mine at HMV on the day it's released. I don't want to be stuck waiting for the CD to arrive a few days after!
If it doesn't arrive in the post, I am absolutely doing that. And giving the spare to charity or something. Save it as a birthday present?

I usually don't pre-order, as:

a. I don't like to be at the mercy of the Post Office. It might be less convenient, but if I go down to the shop myself, I'm in control, and won't be worrying about when it's going to arrive.
b. I find the trek down to HMV infinitely more exciting than the wait for the postman.

I bought both of the last two albums in the shop, but for some reason I got really carried away and wanted to put my stake in the ground very early, this time around. I think I saw the "[CD+DVD]" box-set added to Play.com before we even knew what the DVD consisted of and thought "oh I am going loco down in acapulco and nobody can stop me." Plus, I wanted the low-price guarantee.

Which, as a guarantee, will be fairly hollow if it's delivered late, 'cause I'll pay twice the price anyway, but I help the album's chart standings very slightly, and sometimes the pre-orders arrive early, so hey! Got the Resistance a full weekend ahead of schedule. James LaBrie's Elements of Persuasion two days early, too. So it's a nice punt.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on August 13, 2011, 06:09:51 PM
Quote
Mike Mangini Media & Info

The pre sale on the special edition of our New Album is Amazon's #1 top seller. Wait till you hear how the rest of the songs go (and where they go) beyond the tini snippets being posted :):):)

All leads us to hope in a high chart position for ADTOE  ::)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kotowboy on August 13, 2011, 06:26:14 PM
I've pre-ordered from Play.com and If I don't have it by release date, i'll just get the new Primus CD on that day instead   :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: WildeSilas on August 13, 2011, 08:22:38 PM
MM's facebook reports that's it's currently the top selling pre-order on Amazon.com. This is going to get interesting...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Kotowboy on August 14, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
Hopefully it well completely demolish Generic Mob.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: OsMosis2259 on August 15, 2011, 11:06:40 AM
Pre ordered the Special Edition along with Opeth's Heritage  :metal :metal


Oh and also got my concert ticket for Philadelphia  :metal :corn
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on August 15, 2011, 11:17:35 AM
What's the argument of getting the special editition cd/dvd? A documentary that you can see on youtube for free?

No thank you.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mebert78 on August 15, 2011, 11:28:12 AM
Quote
Mike Mangini Media & Info

The pre sale on the special edition of our New Album is Amazon's #1 top seller. Wait till you hear how the rest of the songs go (and where they go) beyond the tini snippets being posted :):):)

All leads us to hope in a high chart position for ADTOE  ::)

That's not what it says on Amazon, but DT is close.  Here is the list of the top-selling new or upcoming releases on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/new-releases/music/ref=zg_mw_tab.  DT is 20th, but many of those albums are already released.  Of those that have not yet been released, DT ranks 7th.  So, to me, that means DT is the 7th best-selling pre-order on Amazon, according to Amazon.  Still pretty amazing!

However, you can say DT is the #2 top-selling pre-order in the rock category, behind the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on August 15, 2011, 12:21:48 PM
What's the argument of getting the special editition cd/dvd? A documentary that you can see on youtube for free?

No thank you.

Why do you even bother to buy DT albums then?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on August 15, 2011, 12:28:39 PM
What's the argument of getting the special editition cd/dvd? A documentary that you can see on youtube for free?

No thank you.

Why do you even bother to buy DT albums then?

Oh I will, but I will buy the product with the music only because no other product interest me as of now. A previously unseen documentary or some other video footage would be nice. Some kind of studio footage or something, would be an instant buy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on August 15, 2011, 12:29:54 PM
What's the argument of getting the special editition cd/dvd? A documentary that you can see on youtube for free?

I can't speak for anyone else, but MY argument for getting it is:
1.  Things don't stay on YouTube forever.  Now I'll have the whole thing in a permanent format.
2.  Better quality and resolution, and I won't have buffering issues if I'm on a computer that doesn't have enough memory/bandwidth.
3.  As a collector who tries to get everything that is at least reasonably priced, I don't mind shelling out a few more bucks for something I will ocasionally watch and enjoy.
4.  Even though I am about 95% certain there will be no additional content, I am holding out hope on the very small chance there is something extra that we haven't seen in the YouTube versions.  But mostly 1-3, since I realize this is an extremely remote possibility at this point.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on August 15, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
What's the argument of getting the special editition cd/dvd? A documentary that you can see on youtube for free?

I can't speak for anyone else, but MY argument for getting it is:
1.  Things don't stay on YouTube forever.  Now I'll have the whole thing in a permanent format.
2.  Better quality and resolution, and I won't have buffering issues if I'm on a computer that doesn't have enough memory/bandwidth.
3.  As a collector who tries to get everything that is at least reasonably priced, I don't mind shelling out a few more bucks for something I will ocasionally watch and enjoy.
4.  Even though I am about 95% certain there will be no additional content, I am holding out hope on the very small chance there is something extra that we haven't seen in the YouTube versions.  But mostly 1-3, since I realize this is an extremely remote possibility at this point.

In a nutshell.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JoSeM90DT on August 17, 2011, 07:32:41 PM
(https://i55.tinypic.com/ekj0nk.jpg)

High resolution:

(https://g.purevolumecdn.com/cdnImages/resize_568x1500/Artist-3046733-DT0019_HR.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 17, 2011, 07:38:35 PM
Nice shot. New pose from John Myung, Mike Mangini is jumping through the window :) JP's arms are on the first plan anyway ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on August 17, 2011, 10:00:23 PM
Mangini looks like he doesn't know what to do. I like that JP is in the middle on this one.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hipodilski on August 17, 2011, 10:18:30 PM
What's the argument of getting the special editition cd/dvd? A documentary that you can see on youtube for free?

I can't speak for anyone else, but MY argument for getting it is:
1.  Things don't stay on YouTube forever.  Now I'll have the whole thing in a permanent format.
2.  Better quality and resolution, and I won't have buffering issues if I'm on a computer that doesn't have enough memory/bandwidth.
3.  As a collector who tries to get everything that is at least reasonably priced, I don't mind shelling out a few more bucks for something I will ocasionally watch and enjoy.
4.  Even though I am about 95% certain there will be no additional content, I am holding out hope on the very small chance there is something extra that we haven't seen in the YouTube versions.  But mostly 1-3, since I realize this is an extremely remote possibility at this point.
Well, I don't know if it is illegal or not (technically speaking it shouldn't be, because the whole process of viewing a video on the Tube features a download of the clip in your temp files folder) but I downloaded the HD clips from YouTube and now I have them in a more "permanent" format here. And the 720p vids have considerably better quality than a regular DVD format.

The moment I see that the DVD could feature more than the 3 episodes, I'll order the collectors edition.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wammabe on August 17, 2011, 10:20:06 PM
Mangini looks like he doesn't know what to do. I like that JP is in the middle on this one.

JP is getting too large to not be in the middle, next thing we know, the drum set will be on the right of the stage and Petrucci in the middle in live performances.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hipodilski on August 17, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
Duh, it has been discussed above. Should have read more carefully.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 18, 2011, 12:21:46 PM
https://youtu.be/eA-e3hwzeQs

Has this link been posted yet? It explains the ticket for life. Petrucci says it lets you go to any DT show for the rest of your life. Basically what you dared to think it may be but expected not. That's what it sounds like.

Since it's in an officially released clip, I'm going to point out that the melody JR is screwing around with at 4:20 in the clip is from the new album, although it doesn't sound like samba on the CD :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on August 18, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
Seriously considering buying that if its true!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ElliottTamer on August 19, 2011, 09:04:37 AM
https://youtu.be/eA-e3hwzeQs

Has this link been posted yet? It explains the ticket for life. Petrucci says it lets you go to any DT show for the rest of your life. Basically what you dared to think it may be but expected not. That's what it sounds like.

Since it's in an officially released clip, I'm going to point out that the melody JR is screwing around with at 4:20 in the clip is from the new album, although it doesn't sound like samba on the CD :lol

I would almost say that it's impressive how you can recognize a melody from the new album even when it is done a little differently. But then I imagined your having listened to the album a million times already and got envious! So now my skin is green, thank you very much!
But seriously, I'm guessing here it's from Far From Heaven?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 20, 2011, 03:13:24 PM
Not long now. ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on August 26, 2011, 04:18:24 AM
Another new promo shot

(https://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7963/33399611566042520033910.jpg)


with a relaxed version of JM :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on August 26, 2011, 04:20:20 AM
I'm finding the background very confusing  ???
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on August 26, 2011, 04:23:00 AM
I'm finding the background very confusing  ???

How so? It's just some random lot of buildings, isn't it? Maybe this was shot on the rooftop of the studio, I remember the photograph saying he had very little time  to work with the band.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on August 26, 2011, 04:27:23 AM
Yeah, that slanty thing to JR's right and the fact that JLB seems to be sitting on thin air are just confusing for me. Nice shot though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 26, 2011, 04:36:24 AM
Yeah, that slanty thing to JR's right and the fact that JLB seems to be sitting on thin air are just confusing for me. Nice shot though.

JLB's leaning against the edge thingy.
The stuff behind JR is confusing though since you pointed it out. It's like a wall of concrete that stops at nothing and a building appears.
I think it's a pretty good photo though.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on August 26, 2011, 04:39:38 AM
I like that photo. Overall, I think that an urban background suits DT quite well. Or at least it's how it's used, I don't know...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on August 26, 2011, 04:41:04 AM
Yeah, that slanty thing to JR's right and the fact that JLB seems to be sitting on thin air are just confusing for me. Nice shot though.

JLB's leaning against the edge thingy.
The stuff behind JR is confusing though since you pointed it out. It's like a wall of concrete that stops at nothing and a building appears.
I think it's a pretty good photo though.

Race to the wall to find / One more building APPEEEEEEARRRSSS

But seriously, isn't that thing a chimney?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on August 26, 2011, 04:42:35 AM
Just chillin' by the bins. John Myung's doing his food-smile, so I reckon this was taken just before dinner-time.

James LaBrie's just leaning on one of those ledges they put up on rooftops so you don't die. No biggie there. I'm more interested in the precise geography of what's going on behind Mike Mangini's legs.

Still! Nice that they've got shadows by the bins. Poor Adrenaline Mob. Poor, vampiric, Adrenaline Mob.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on August 26, 2011, 04:51:25 AM
Myung's head looks way bigger than it normally does in that pic. Kinda creepy.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: robwebster on August 26, 2011, 04:53:42 AM
Tell you what? This is the kind of picture depth-perception was made for. I keep thinking things are too tall, or too small, or don't quite join up, and then squinting before realising that actually they're just a little distant. Bring on the 3D internet, I say.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mladen on August 26, 2011, 05:12:08 AM
It's a weird promo shot, they should take more pictures at random places.  :tup
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Millais on August 26, 2011, 05:35:46 AM

(https://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7963/33399611566042520033910.jpg)



not sure i like this photo that much compared to the one that was released last week - hints of barrel distortion leaving a wide-angle effect on the members of the band and, strangely, quite a cluttered background.
To be fair though, the photo released last week (can't find the original at the moment, here's a photoshopped version - https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6364226/1024/Picture-Box/dt11window.gif) was pretty incredible!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 26, 2011, 05:44:42 AM
They gotta get a new photographer; in this one it looks like MM and JM don't really know what to do with themselves, and I believe it was the same for MM in the previous promo photo.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 26, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
They gotta get a new photographer; in this one it looks like MM and JM don't really know what to do with themselves, and I believe it was the same for MM in the previous promo photo.

I think MM looks really cool in this one.  Except that it looks like he was leaning on a wall that they've photoshopped out.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 26, 2011, 07:34:26 AM
17 days.  The wait has gone back to driving me crazy again.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on August 26, 2011, 08:25:33 AM
MM looks like a BAMF in this picture. Not wearing black, he stands out in contrast. Glasses, looking cool.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on August 26, 2011, 08:30:42 AM
17 days.  The wait has gone back to driving me crazy again.

+1 At least it's not long now...hopefully time will fly by!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on August 26, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
not sure i like this photo that much compared to the one that was released last week - hints of barrel distortion leaving a wide-angle effect on the members of the band and, strangely, quite a cluttered background.
To be fair though, the photo released last week (can't find the original at the moment, here's a photoshopped version - https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6364226/1024/Picture-Box/dt11window.gif) was pretty incredible!

Wow I never thought I'd see a complaint about barrel distortion in a Dream theater forum!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on August 26, 2011, 09:41:48 AM
17 days.  The wait has gone back to driving me crazy again.

+1 At least it's not long now...hopefully time will fly by!

That's precisely why it's driving me crazy again.  It's like we're almost there...almost...JUST HURRY THE FUCK UP ALREADY!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on August 26, 2011, 10:22:06 AM
thats the best promo so far. imo
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on August 26, 2011, 10:28:52 AM
Just bought the deluxe package, didn't realise they'd sell out that fast!  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on August 26, 2011, 12:49:45 PM
not sure i like this photo that much compared to the one that was released last week - hints of barrel distortion leaving a wide-angle effect on the members of the band and, strangely, quite a cluttered background.
To be fair though, the photo released last week (can't find the original at the moment, here's a photoshopped version - https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6364226/1024/Picture-Box/dt11window.gif) was pretty incredible!

Wow I never thought I'd see a complaint about barrel distortion in a Dream theater forum!

Barrel Distortion would be a cool song title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on August 26, 2011, 12:51:13 PM
not sure i like this photo that much compared to the one that was released last week - hints of barrel distortion leaving a wide-angle effect on the members of the band and, strangely, quite a cluttered background.
To be fair though, the photo released last week (can't find the original at the moment, here's a photoshopped version - https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6364226/1024/Picture-Box/dt11window.gif) was pretty incredible!

Wow I never thought I'd see a complaint about barrel distortion in a Dream theater forum!

Barrel Distortion would be a cool song title.

OUT OF CONTROL, MY LENS HAS BARREL DISTORTIOOOOOOOON
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ryzee on August 26, 2011, 12:58:06 PM
Dude, somebody get JP a band-aid, cuz that fool is cut!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 26, 2011, 01:07:55 PM
Here's hoping I get it early...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JPX on August 26, 2011, 01:29:20 PM
not sure i like this photo that much compared to the one that was released last week - hints of barrel distortion leaving a wide-angle effect on the members of the band and, strangely, quite a cluttered background.
To be fair though, the photo released last week (can't find the original at the moment, here's a photoshopped version - https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6364226/1024/Picture-Box/dt11window.gif) was pretty incredible!

Wow I never thought I'd see a complaint about barrel distortion in a Dream theater forum!

Barrel Distortion would be a cool song title.

OUT OF CONTROL, MY LENS HAS BARREL DISTORTIOOOOOOOON


 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 30, 2011, 08:55:15 AM
So We have 30 august today. In the next friday A Dramatic Turn Of Events will be available in Poland  :metal :metal I'm starting right now my run through DT discography before release of the new album :) I can't wait!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JoSeM90DT on August 31, 2011, 09:39:54 PM
More samples:

*snip*
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2011, 11:04:01 PM
More samples:

*snip*

:bosk1:  I have been very clear about what can and cannot be linked to.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Blackfield on September 01, 2011, 02:26:47 AM
It's somewhat ruining anticipation of the first listening experience of the album with all these snippets and stuff being released. Maybe 2-3 snippets would have been "teasing", but not 5 or 6.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 01, 2011, 05:54:55 AM
Yeah I actually would've preferred two complete songs rather than a bunch of snippets, but I'm not complaining. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2011, 06:18:48 AM
I preordered the album yesterday.

And now the waiting begins.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Millais on September 01, 2011, 06:45:28 AM
in the UK:

#5 most pre-ordered album
#2 most pre-ordered 'rock' album
#40 most ordered album
#14 most ordered 'rock' album

-Amazon
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on September 01, 2011, 06:46:42 AM
12 days . . . arggh.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emtee on September 01, 2011, 11:48:35 AM
Just checking in and the countdown clock read...

11 days - 11 hours - 11 minutes - 11 seconds.


Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Millais on September 01, 2011, 04:35:40 PM
Just checking in and the countdown clock read...

11 days - 11 hours - 11 minutes - 11 seconds.




spoony  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Martinman300 on September 01, 2011, 05:18:56 PM
Just checking in and the countdown clock read...

11 days - 11 hours - 11 minutes - 11 seconds.




NUGGETZ?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 01, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
I can't wait until it reads all zeroes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: blackngold29 on September 01, 2011, 09:23:08 PM
Not sure if this has been confirmed, but I read somewhere LaBrie was listed as 'vocals and percussion.' The percussion part is something that seems to have faded on the last few albums, and obviously it's probably gonna be like him playing the tambourine in two songs, but it still made me excite.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Global Laziness on September 01, 2011, 10:48:48 PM
I'd say he'd probably be more likely to play a shaker over a tambourine.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jirpo on September 02, 2011, 12:29:54 AM
Just checking in and the countdown clock read...

11 days - 11 hours - 11 minutes - 11 seconds.



Awesome! :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dream Team on September 02, 2011, 08:19:02 AM
After reading through 15 pages of comments on 5/8, here is my re-vamped list of the tracks in order of anticipation:

1. Breaking all Illusions
2. Lost Not Forgotten

3. Bridges in the Sky
4. Outcry
5. Beneath the Surface

6. This is the Life
7. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
8. Far From Heaven
9. On the Backs of Angels
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FallTempest on September 02, 2011, 09:09:35 AM
After reading through 15 pages of comments on 5/8, here is my re-vamped list of the tracks in order of anticipation:

1. Breaking all Illusions
2. Lost Not Forgotten

3. Bridges in the Sky
4. Outcry
5. Beneath the Surface

6. This is the Life
7. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
8. Far From Heaven
9. On the Backs of Angels

Thats a good analysis  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on September 02, 2011, 12:37:50 PM
Not surprised to hear that BMUBMD isn't getting the reviews, as it was the radio potential one. Although, even they have been saying the chorus is awesome
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: blackngold29 on September 03, 2011, 12:19:11 AM
Here's the google translated version of a Japanese promo for the album :lol


Continue to champion unleashed an overwhelming presence in the scene and a harbinger of progressive metal. Aloof style of dramatic development and boasts a mature sound and attracted a vast fans of the world, is proud of the overwhelming support they rare creative class as a group, album "Black Clouds & Silver lining nest" about two years and completed his latest work and 11 total first!

Talk about the facts on this work, recruitment of new drummer! And the original members, teachers were at the core of the band announced its withdrawal from the band suddenly microphone port noise, what happens to the existence of Dream Theater in the future, but had the attention of everyone, a number of Steve Vai final after the original band from among the candidates Odyoshon, Anaiareita, officially hired as the drummer Mike Manzini, etc. have been active in the extreme. News of this new touring drummer joins worldwide attention, but not terrible enough to Tweet was ranked as the second best British royal wedding in following the topic of Twitter, it's facing a new drummer A new chapter will start with a presentation of this work finally!

The producer in charge of guitarist John Petorushi, the latest mix, which was produced by Nate Andi_Uoresu welcome, all the inner surfaces of their now more than ever they had to overcome a variety of unexpected events The sound space crafted to reveal that, just raise expectations that simply.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ? on September 03, 2011, 01:26:39 AM
microphone port noise
John Petorushi
:rollin What makes this even funnier is that peto = beast in Finnish, so JP is John Beast-rushi! He really IS a bear after all...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 03, 2011, 02:09:05 AM
wanna know something that sucks? I was hoping to get paid in time to preorder the box set... or at least pre order the album... but I am broke till 2 days after it comes out. fml
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on September 03, 2011, 02:23:21 AM
wanna know something that sucks? I was hoping to get paid in time to preorder the box set... or at least pre order the album... but I am broke till 2 days after it comes out. fml

Ouch! That hurts! Sorry for you, dude!

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 03, 2011, 02:24:24 AM
It's all good. I will just have to win some money bowling next week :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FretMuppet on September 03, 2011, 02:37:19 AM
microphone port noise

Lmao  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 03, 2011, 02:43:27 AM
Continue to champion unleashed an overwhelming presence in the scene and a harbinger of progressive metal.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 03, 2011, 06:31:46 AM
Continue to champion unleashed an overwhelming presence in the scene and a harbinger of progressive metal.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Elite on September 03, 2011, 06:44:17 AM
MICROPHONE PORT NOISE
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tgstk2 on September 03, 2011, 11:59:42 AM
variety of unexpected events  :coolio
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: lonestar on September 03, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
Patiently waiting... :crypt:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 03, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
The only album I'm more excited for than ADTOE (Aside from the new Rush, whenever that comes out) is DT12
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: GasparXR on September 03, 2011, 12:38:54 PM
The only album I'm more excited for than ADTOE (Aside from the new Rush, whenever that comes out) is DT12

You're going to be dying inside for about 2 years there buddy. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 03, 2011, 01:38:01 PM
Patiently waiting... :crypt:
:crypt: ... and counting sheeps or whatever this is :p
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 04, 2011, 07:28:31 AM
EIGHT.  DAYS.  RASDLJKASDLSKDFHAKSJDNZX
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Dellers on September 04, 2011, 07:57:06 AM
Eight? Only five here  ;D  Coming out next friday! I'm willing to bet 1000$ the post company will screw up though...They always use silly long time or somehow lose my packages if it's anything important.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 04, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
They never lose track of my package, it's rather hard to miss. :eyebrows:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 04, 2011, 08:14:59 AM
This is why I don't preorder CD's. :)

And it's 6 days for me. :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: blackngold29 on September 04, 2011, 09:25:14 AM
Since I have release day off, if it doesn't get here that day or the day before, I will be... angered.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamerTV on September 04, 2011, 07:10:56 PM
(https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/plugins/content/contentoptimizer/ceae219791fb89e71b6723ea87937fb71f4932b4_576x487_Q75.jpeg)

Just found this at the bottom of an interview by Rocktopia with JR (added on august 18th) that i don't know if has been already posted

https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=910:cd-reviews&id=1514:dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events&Itemid=121

Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 04, 2011, 07:24:43 PM
That pic is amazing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on September 04, 2011, 07:25:09 PM
That pic is amazing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Pols Voice on September 04, 2011, 07:25:23 PM
Look at those cool dudes.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 04, 2011, 07:27:29 PM
Look at that cool table.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on September 04, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
Look at that lack of SC between 8VM and BC&SL :laugh:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 04, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
Look at that lack of SC between 8VM and BC&SL :laugh:

(https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i238/hefdaddy42/funny/happytime.gif)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Jamesman42 on September 04, 2011, 07:48:56 PM
:partyinpartyinyeah:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: blackngold29 on September 04, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Just read a review that gave the album 2-stars. Then again, the writer said it was 'their first album without Mark Portnoy' so I'm not really sure how seriously I can take it.


That is a fantastic pic btw.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on September 04, 2011, 09:13:21 PM
I wonder if The Omega Order will begin pre-order shipping tomorrow or Tuesday on account of Labor Day.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 04, 2011, 09:18:21 PM
Was that pic taken in the Dream Theater Mansion?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: blackngold29 on September 04, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
Was that pic taken in the Dream Theater Mansion?
This needs to be a thread. :biggrin: What you have if you designed a DT house?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 04, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
that's like the all-new DT mansion attraction from Disneyland  :D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 04, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Is it like some sort of glass prison?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DreamTension on September 04, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Was that pic taken in the Dream Theater Mansion?
This needs to be a thread. :biggrin: What you have if you designed a DT house?

A large theater with animatronic robots of Dream Theater on the stage playing whatever setlist I program them to play...

Basically a fancy juke box with pirate robots.  :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 04, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
someone over at fiveeightforums said it's MP's DT Vault.... I don't believe it though
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on September 04, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
Look at that lack of SC between 8VM and BC&SL :laugh:
Look again, there's the ants and watermelon


someone over at fiveeightforums said it's MP's DT Vault.... I don't believe it though
Well yeah, why would Mangini be there. In the MP household, MM is persona non grata
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on September 04, 2011, 11:42:07 PM
Very nice picture indeed.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2011, 11:47:10 PM
Just read a review that gave the album 2-stars. Then again, the writer said it was 'their first album without Mark Portnoy' so I'm not really sure how seriously I can take it.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 05, 2011, 04:14:15 AM
i so want this album to be in my hands as of this moment...

Listening to OTBOA to keep me waiting.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 05, 2011, 09:35:03 AM
Doing my Awake listen today. The album better hurry the fuck up, 'cause this album-by-album shit is just making me go crazier.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 05, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
I'm on SFAM right now, I should make it til friday morning :D  :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: MasterShakezula on September 05, 2011, 09:44:45 AM
You aren't implying that you find Awake boring, are you?

Because I find it to be totally un-Boring and probably my favorite DT album.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 05, 2011, 09:59:44 AM
Quite the contrary Cup, as until recently Awake was my all-time favorite DT album. I was just pointing out how grating the wait is because of my DT overexposure.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on September 05, 2011, 10:44:55 AM
Look at that cool table.

Do want.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: mentalny on September 06, 2011, 03:05:48 PM
its been a while since I visited this forum :)

I wanted to say... I am not so satisfied with this new snippets, trailers and other samples of new songs.. I hope DT new album will be very good, excellent, we must wait whole thing.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: drpez98 on September 06, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JediKnight1969 on September 06, 2011, 03:56:16 PM
(https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/plugins/content/contentoptimizer/ceae219791fb89e71b6723ea87937fb71f4932b4_576x487_Q75.jpeg)

Just found this at the bottom of an interview by Rocktopia with JR (added on august 18th) that i don't know if has been already posted

https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=910:cd-reviews&id=1514:dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events&Itemid=121



Shit! Look at that fucking creepy doll staring at JM!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on September 06, 2011, 03:57:27 PM
:o

That is terrifying.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on September 06, 2011, 04:19:13 PM
ahhh! ha

What is that white blob behind JR?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 06, 2011, 04:19:53 PM
On the subject of DT Marathons. I'm on Train of Thought. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on September 06, 2011, 04:23:44 PM
ahhh! ha

What is that white blob behind JR?

I am quite sure our Blob could clarify your doubt  :rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 06, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
white blob black blob racism metaphors
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 06, 2011, 05:36:33 PM
On the subject of DT Marathons. I'm on Train of Thought. :P
I'm on 6DOIT :) will be on TOT tomorrow ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 06, 2011, 05:49:57 PM
Well I'm doing Budokan tonight and Octavarium tomorrow. :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: j on September 06, 2011, 07:14:40 PM
(https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/plugins/content/contentoptimizer/ceae219791fb89e71b6723ea87937fb71f4932b4_576x487_Q75.jpeg)

Just found this at the bottom of an interview by Rocktopia with JR (added on august 18th) that i don't know if has been already posted

https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=910:cd-reviews&id=1514:dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events&Itemid=121



Shit! Look at that fucking creepy doll staring at JM!

Dude, I didn't notice that! :omg:

-J
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: SystematicThought on September 06, 2011, 07:35:37 PM
I'm still wondering if The Omega Order has started shipping. I was told it starts this week, but who knows
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 06, 2011, 07:40:47 PM
(https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/plugins/content/contentoptimizer/ceae219791fb89e71b6723ea87937fb71f4932b4_576x487_Q75.jpeg)

Just found this at the bottom of an interview by Rocktopia with JR (added on august 18th) that i don't know if has been already posted

https://www.rocktopia.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=910:cd-reviews&id=1514:dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events&Itemid=121



Shit! Look at that fucking creepy doll staring at JM!

Dude, I didn't notice that! :omg:

-J

does the link work for anyone else?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 06, 2011, 07:45:10 PM
Not for me. It's an infinite re-direct loop.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 06, 2011, 10:53:01 PM
Well I'm doing Budokan tonight and Octavarium tomorrow. :P

How are you guys so far in?  I'm doing them one-a-day and I'm only at FII.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 06, 2011, 11:05:59 PM
I started Friday I think. I listen to multiple albums per day. For example, I had no school yesterday so I did Once in a Livetime, Metropolis, Scenes from New York, and Six Degrees. Today I only did ToT and Budokan. Tomorrow is Octavrarium and Score. Thursday will be Systematic Chaos and the DVD that comes with it. Friday will be Black Clouds. And perfect timing because Saturday is A Dramatic Turn of Events.  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 06, 2011, 11:27:58 PM
ahhh! ha

What is that white blob behind JR?

I am quite sure our Blob could clarify your doubt  :rollin

It is actually the back of Jordan's chair. Because of the lighting, the glare is making that side white, and his head is blocking the light from the other half of the back, so it looks really weird.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
I started Friday I think. I listen to multiple albums per day. For example, I had no school yesterday so I did Once in a Livetime, Metropolis, Scenes from New York, and Six Degrees. Today I only did ToT and Budokan. Tomorrow is Octavrarium and Score. Thursday will be Systematic Chaos and the DVD that comes with it. Friday will be Black Clouds. And perfect timing because Saturday is A Dramatic Turn of Events.  :metal :metal :metal

Nice. I did something like that back before the release of BC&SL, but it included every officially released CD and DVD, including YtseJam Records stuff too, all in chronological order.

I figured it would be way too much for me to try and fit all that in with my hectic work schedule this year, but maybe for DT12 I will do the massive marathon again. Here's what I did last time, for the curious (plus a few new things that have come out since BC&SL and things I've added):

     - 1985-1989
-The Majesty Demos
-When Dream And Day Unite
-When Dream And Day Reunite (DVD and CD) [Overnight Listening]

     - 1991-1993
-Images And Words Demos
-Images And Words (plus "To Live Forever '91" and "Don't Look Past Me")
-Live At The Marquee
-New York City, NY 3/4/93 [Overnight Listening]
-Images And Words: Live In Tokyo DVD
-Taste The Memories
-Images And Words Live: 15th Anniversary

     - 1994-1995
-Awake Demos
-Awake (plus "To Live Forever '94" and "Eve")
-A Change Of Seasons EP
-Tokyo, Japan 10/28/95 [Overnight Listening]

     - 1996-1998
-Old Bridge, NJ 12/14/96 [Overnight Listening]
-Falling Into Infinity Demos
-The Making of Falling Into Infinity
-Falling Into Infinity (w/Cleaning Out The Closet)
-Los Angeles, CA 5/18/98
-Once In A LIVEtime
-Once In A LIVEtime Outtakes
-Five Years In A LIVEtime DVD

     - 1999-2001
-The Making of Scenes From A Memory: Behind The Scenes & Alternate Mixes
-Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
-Live Scenes From New York (DVD and 3CD) [Overnight Listening]
-Through Her Eyes (Single)
-Scenes From A World Tour

     - 2002
-Ten Degrees of Turbulent Drumming
-Four Degrees of Radio Edits
-Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence [Overnight Listening]
-Bucharest, Romania 7/4/02 DVD
-Graspop Festival 2002
-Uncovered: 2003-2005 (Live Covers)

     - 2003-2004
-Drums of Thought
-Train of Thought Instrumental Demos
-The Making of Train of Thought (videos)
-Train of Thought
-Live At Budokan (2DVD and 3CD) [Overnight Listening]
-A Sort of Homecoming

     - 2005-2006
-Drumavarium
-Octavarium
-Santiago, Chile 12/6/05
-Romavarium
-A Walk Beside The Band (DVD)
-Score (2DVD and 3CD) [Overnight Listening]

     - 2007-2008
-SysDRUMatic Chaos
-Chaos In Progress (The Making of Systematic Chaos DVD)
-Systematic Chaos
-Chaos In Motion (2DVD and 3CD) [Overnight Listening]
-Progressive Nation '08

     - 2009-2010
-Black Clouds & Silver Drumming
-Black Clouds & Silver Linings (Album, Covers and Instrumental Mixes)
-"Raw Dog" from the God Of War EP


Every chunk of material was done in about a day, if I had time. Otherwise, it was spread over two days, especially the IAW-era, FII-era, and TOT-era stuff. Where ti says [Overnight Listening], I played those albums on my iPod over night as I slept, and would finish it in the morning depending on where in the tracklist it was when I woke up (I always play music when I sleep).

I'll definitely have to do this again to gear-up for DT12, but I hope it's release date is in the winter or summer when I'm not so busy with work and  I actually have the time to watch/listen to all of this!!!

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 06, 2011, 11:49:02 PM
Damn, I'm just doin' the studio albums + Majesty demos and ACOS! :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2011, 11:52:32 PM
Damn, I'm just doin' the studio albums + Majesty demos and ACOS! :lol

Yeah, I totally went ALL OUT last time, but the list above will be my NEW marathon for whenever DT12 comes out (2013? I hope so...), and then whatever else comes out after ADTOE! I guess I could add the following to the end:

     - 2011-2012
-"The Spirit Carries On" DVD Documentary
-A Dramatic Turn Of Events
-(The eventual live CD/DVD release we all know will come out because the first tour with MM is kind of a big deal)

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: voncorn on September 06, 2011, 11:52:34 PM
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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on September 06, 2011, 11:54:03 PM
-(The eventual live CD/DVD release we all know will come out because the first tour with MM is kind of a big deal)
That's an awesome bootleg title.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 06, 2011, 11:54:42 PM
LESS THAN A WEEK TO GO!!!!!

:dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson: :dangerwillrobinson:

:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
post

That is waaaaaay overkill. I would be so sick of DT very early on into that. I also don't see why the drum DVDs are necessary for the marathon either.   

Yeah, halfway through the marathon before BC&SL's release, I realized how much it was but I just kept on going.

Also, as a drummer and a fan of MP in general, the drumming DVDs are very entertaining and educational for me. Also, MP's commentary on the tracks gives great insight on the songs themselves, and not just his drumming, but many other aspects of the songs and the albums!

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 06, 2011, 11:58:41 PM
post

That is waaaaaay overkill. I would be so sick of DT very early on into that. I also don't see why the drum DVDs are necessary for the marathon either.   
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have any drum DVD's. And I'm not sick of DT. I only listen when I feel like it. I also listen to a lot of other stuff by other bands in between. It's not like I'm pounding down DT 24/7.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Letter M on September 07, 2011, 12:29:48 AM
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have any drum DVD's. And I'm not sick of DT. I only listen when I feel like it. I also listen to a lot of other stuff by other bands in between. It's not like I'm pounding down DT 24/7.

I think he (voncorn) misquoted you and meant to quote me and instead, put his own text into a quote box. Oops :facepalm: (for voncorn)

-Marc.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 07, 2011, 12:30:59 AM
2 days left for polish fans!!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 07, 2011, 12:31:40 AM
Oh crap, same for here. Hadn't even noticed how quickly the day had snuck upon us.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Bertielee on September 07, 2011, 07:24:58 AM
Lucky boys. Here, it is released on September 12th only.

B.Lee
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on September 07, 2011, 08:54:13 AM
2 days left for polish fans!!  :metal :metal :metal
Here too! Raaawk!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 07, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
My local CD retailer usually ships albums early (they shipped BC&SL 3 or 4 days before the release), so I'll be definitely checking those out.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 07, 2011, 09:06:53 AM
I was just about going to my local something like You American Guys have - HMV. BCSL was here 3 days before release, I'll give a shot ;) If not, it's only....


































...2 days!!!!!  :metal :metal :metal :metal :yarr :yarr :yarr :yarr :xbones :xbones :xbones :xbones :metal :metal :metal :metal :corn :corn :corn :corn :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: 3xodus on September 07, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
We still have a lifetime in the US... This is bullshit.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ? on September 07, 2011, 10:59:39 AM
One week here in Finland... :sadpanda:
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 07, 2011, 12:15:24 PM
Burnin' mah sawl...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: TheKillingHand on September 07, 2011, 02:05:02 PM
2 days left for polish fans!!  :metal :metal :metal
Here too! Raaawk!

And here!  :metal Tomorrow had better go quickly
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: emtee on September 07, 2011, 02:42:44 PM
Currently at Prog Archives the album sits at #5 in the discography after about 115 rankings.

A site which is generally pretty accurate in reflecting the fan base. Not perfect by any means as we all have our
personal tastes, but nonetheless, a pretty close reflection of what us fans feel are the strongest albums. I actually
expected it to be higher with all the reviews I've been reading. Kinda surprising.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: ariich on September 07, 2011, 03:16:30 PM
Yeah but the album isn't even out yet. Give it more time and see where it ends up in the rankings a few months down the line.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: blackngold29 on September 07, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
As far as sales, it's hanging in there at #12 on amazon. Not sure how BCSL did, but ADTOE has probably been in the top 15 for two weeks prior to release.

I see it hitting top 5 on billboards.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
You know the album's going to kick ass, based on this pic
(https://www.dprp.net/wp/interviews/files/2011/09/DT0069_HR.jpg)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 08, 2011, 08:38:40 PM
Jordan looks like he's judging me.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 08:43:59 PM
Jordan looks like he's judging me.

 :rollin

Man they're trying to rip bosk a new one over at fiveeightforums over not talking about the new album. However, after spending some time over there, I feel a little dumber...
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 08, 2011, 08:46:23 PM
What kind of forum is that? When I first heard about it I figured it was a DT forum but apparently nobody likes DT over there. :S
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 08:47:56 PM
What kind of forum is that? When I first heard about it I figured it was a DT forum but apparently nobody likes DT over there. :S

https://www.fiveeightforums.com/threads/dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events.86359/page-105#post-2660801 (https://www.fiveeightforums.com/threads/dream-theater-a-dramatic-turn-of-events.86359/page-105#post-2660801)

***WARNING*** That thread contains MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 08, 2011, 08:51:15 PM
That was a um nice read but still, what kind of forum is that? I mean, a prog forum? A general music forum?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 08:54:35 PM
From what I understand, the general online DT community split up at some point due to differing opinions on their music. There was the group that generally liked most of their albums and songs (DTF) and those that stopped liking their material after SFAM or SDoIT. The latter moved to fiveeightforums, and the rest stayed here. That's what Ive gathered from being on this forum for the last year and a half.

I'm sure there are more informed people on this board that can tell you as well.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 08, 2011, 08:56:10 PM
What kind of forum is that? When I first heard about it I figured it was a DT forum but apparently nobody likes DT over there. :S



***WARNING*** That thread contains MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then why post it?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Implode on September 08, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
5/8 is almost like a brother site to DTF. When the original forums asploded it split a couple times and went through many incarnations until all that remained was DTF.org and 5/8. 5/8, however, is not a Dream Theater forum. It's merely a continuation of the community that moved there.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 08, 2011, 09:01:52 PM
Every second I spend on 5/8 I lose brain cells, so I tend to stay away.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 08, 2011, 09:05:24 PM
5/8 is almost like a brother site to DTF. when the original forums asploded it spit a couple times and went through many incarnations until all that remained was DTF.org and 5/8. 5/8, however, is not a Dream Theater forum. It's merely a continuation of that community that moved there.

I don't remember multiple splits?  From what I recall I logged on the next day and there was 5/8 and DTF.  And I believe the most generally the best way to describe the split was that the people who became 5/8 weren't as crazy about DT and so wanted to be a general music forum, and we were the guys who still like DT.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Implode on September 08, 2011, 09:06:06 PM
I was being very general because I wasn't there.  :P
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
What kind of forum is that? When I first heard about it I figured it was a DT forum but apparently nobody likes DT over there. :S



***WARNING*** That thread contains MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then why post it?

I was showing him what I was talking about. That link brings you to the part of the thread where they criticized Bosk's actions in not allowing ADTOE discussion until the 12th.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: bosk1 on September 08, 2011, 09:13:39 PM
It also makes people yawn.  See, look.  This is me yawning.

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_2.jpg)

See?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 08, 2011, 09:14:21 PM
I was being very general because I wasn't there.  :P

Okay Squid.

(https://media.onsugar.com/files/2011/05/18/3/1437/14373728/8c28496184c872c1_rocket-power-squid.gif)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Implode on September 08, 2011, 09:18:49 PM
I can live with that. Sam Dullard, yeah!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 08, 2011, 09:20:22 PM
 :metal

God I fuckin' loved that show.  I am dying to see some reruns of that shit.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on September 08, 2011, 09:20:39 PM
You know the album's going to kick ass, based on this pic
(https://www.dprp.net/wp/interviews/files/2011/09/DT0069_HR.jpg)

Are they trying to tell us something with hand signals? nuggets?!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 08, 2011, 09:21:18 PM
Holy shit! How do you notice that type of thing?!
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 09:22:02 PM
well Myung and Mangini have their hands fully in their pockets. JLB and JR have 3 fingers showing, and JP has 3 fingers in his pocket. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 08, 2011, 09:23:17 PM
I noticed, JP has 2 fingers showing. JLB has 3 fingers showing, and JR has 3 fingers showing also.


TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Implode on September 08, 2011, 09:23:59 PM
Out of all five people, you can see 8 fingers.  :lol
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: darkshade on September 08, 2011, 09:25:45 PM
Has JP lightened up on the weight lifting thing? He looks like he's slimmed down a bit, and now him and JLB look about the same, muscles-wise
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2011, 09:38:13 PM
Mangini fits so well.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: chknptpie on September 08, 2011, 09:46:16 PM
Out of all five people, you can see 8 fingers.  :lol

 :rollin awesome
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Implode on September 08, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
So Jordan tweeted that the album premiered at #1 in Japan.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: tri.ad on September 08, 2011, 11:52:17 PM
So Jordan tweeted that the album premiered at #1 in Japan.

I'm not sure if this impressive or not, since Japan's music market is pretty weird. But hey, it's still cool.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: aXygnus on September 09, 2011, 04:15:37 AM
Out of all five people, you can see 8 fingers.  :lol

Most of Octavarium is written in 5/8, IIRC... Octavarium was DT's eighth album and it has eight songs... The title track has 5 sections... The album was released in 2005...


Pretty sure there are more nuggets about Octavarium related to 5 and 8, but I can't recall any at the moment.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2011, 06:31:22 AM
Out of all five people, you can see 8 fingers.  :lol
omgnugget
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 09, 2011, 06:48:33 AM
Out of all five people, you can see 8 fingers.  :lol

Most of Octavarium is written in 5/8, IIRC... Octavarium was DT's eighth album and it has eight songs... The title track has 5 sections... The album was released in 2005...


Pretty sure there are more nuggets about Octavarium related to 5 and 8, but I can't recall any at the moment.
I can play every song on there and 5/8 isn't that prominent.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlobVanDam on September 09, 2011, 06:52:21 AM
I can play every song on there and 5/8 isn't that prominent.

It's mostly Panic Attack, isn't it? (song 5/8, in 5/8. Get it?)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: aXygnus on September 09, 2011, 07:19:07 AM
Out of all five people, you can see 8 fingers.  :lol

Most of Octavarium is written in 5/8, IIRC... Octavarium was DT's eighth album and it has eight songs... The title track has 5 sections... The album was released in 2005...


Pretty sure there are more nuggets about Octavarium related to 5 and 8, but I can't recall any at the moment.
I can play every song on there and 5/8 isn't that prominent.

Really? I remember reading that somewhere... Oh well, I believe ya.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: JimmyJava on September 09, 2011, 08:29:28 AM
I noticed, JP has 2 fingers showing. JLB has 3 fingers showing, and JR has 3 fingers showing also.


TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM
:rollin
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on September 09, 2011, 09:01:14 AM
Has anybody from the UK who ordered the boxset got their copy of the album from Roadrunner yet...I haven't had an email and it's not available in the account downloads :(
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: duncan3dc on September 09, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
Has anybody from the UK who ordered the boxset got their copy of the album from Roadrunner yet...I haven't had an email and it's not available in the account downloads :(

Nope, not had anything yet

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=27440.0
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: jonny108 on September 09, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Ah thanks mate, didn't see that thread :)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 09, 2011, 11:14:43 AM
YES!!!!AT LEAST!!!!

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Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 09, 2011, 04:42:07 PM
Lucky! Less than 24 hours for me. I'm so excited. :D :D :D :D :D

Is that the standard or CD/DVD?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 10, 2011, 12:10:16 AM
That is CD/DVD version. It's in very nice digipack, and what is interesting booklet is sticked to the case :) You cannot take it out of digipack which is interesting idea :) Artwork is really nice :) Regular version comes with a normal jewel case.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: BlackInk on September 10, 2011, 01:22:41 AM
Yeah they used that stycky booklet on BC&SL too. I like it.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 10, 2011, 04:40:40 AM
BC&SL and TOT are the only which I don't have as the original releases yet... shame for me though... :blush
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 10, 2011, 04:50:36 AM
YES!!!!AT LEAST!!!!

At least what? lol.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: wasteland on September 10, 2011, 04:53:01 AM
That is CD/DVD version. It's in very nice digipack, and what is interesting booklet is sticked to the case :) You cannot take it out of digipack which is interesting idea :) Artwork is really nice :) Regular version comes with a normal jewel case.

So it's a digibook?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 10, 2011, 05:36:41 AM
It's a normal cd book, but sticked to the back of the case :P just like was with BC&SL.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2011, 06:00:35 AM
YES!!!!AT LEAST!!!!

At least what? lol.
LOL
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 10, 2011, 06:08:59 AM
YES!!!!AT LEAST!!!!

At least what? lol.
LOL
Haha, You see, I think my english really sucks :P hehe I was so happy about getting my copy that I have made a little mistake... i was about to write like that:

YES!!!!FINALLY!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 10, 2011, 07:34:57 AM
That is CD/DVD version. It's in very nice digipack, and what is interesting booklet is sticked to the case :) You cannot take it out of digipack which is interesting idea :) Artwork is really nice :) Regular version comes with a normal jewel case.
So the case is the same as the one for Black Clouds?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: The Silent Cody on September 10, 2011, 08:43:09 AM
That is CD/DVD version. It's in very nice digipack, and what is interesting booklet is sticked to the case :) You cannot take it out of digipack which is interesting idea :) Artwork is really nice :) Regular version comes with a normal jewel case.
So the case is the same as the one for Black Clouds?
Yeah it's very similar. Case is opening and on the left there is a place for CD with album, on the right there is place for DVD. In the middle you can find a booklet which is glued to the case ;)
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 10, 2011, 09:01:54 AM
So no slip cases right?
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Super Dude on September 10, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
Still haven't listened to Roadrunner Germany's "leak," trying to last until I go pick up my copy on Tuesday.
Title: Re: New Album Title (A Dramatic Turn of Events) and Track Listing Revealed
Post by: Mosh on September 10, 2011, 05:11:00 PM
I got it!! Woohoo! I just got the standard edition. They didn't have the DVD one. That's alright because I wanted a jewel case anyway.