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Now the official Journey thread. Thanks to the person that linked this one!
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OK, I love Journey. Now, a better description of me might be that I'm one of those black sheep fans that prefers them while Gregg Rolie was still in the band but still enjoys most of their other music. I'm not a Greatest Hits kind of guy, which isn't to say I dislike their Greatest Hits as some of them are definitely up as my favourites. This band just shines a lot more when they're not be so straight up.
My history to becoming a fan actually starts with Steve Auger's first song, Remember Me, on the Armageddon soundtrack. From there I started with Greatest Hits and slowly expanded on their discography, roughly starting with their more popular albums first. That might contribute to why Journey without Perry absolutely does not bother me. Lyrics don't bother me, so try not to go there on them, the lyrics were always odd from them.
With Eclipse coming next week I thought this might be a good time to do this thread. To compile this list I've been listening to their entire discography over the last few weeks. If they've released it, it's been considered for this list. The first thing I did was try and pick out my top 30-40 songs and ended up with a list of 70 or so, none of which I wanted to leave off. Paring it down was tough, but I did what I could, and while the list might be different if I did it again I do think the general feel for the rankings would be the same. Oh, and I am ignoring live versions of songs because, while some songs are far better that way than their album counterparts, it just isn't a fair comparison without hearing them all that way.
50: Can't Tame the Lion (Trial By Fire)
My brother heard this song on the radio and got me to listen to it a couple years before I really connected the dots to who Journey was. It's a great mid-tempo rocker with an over polished sound that works extremely well. It features what marks many of the best Perry-era songs, a nice track underlaying a vocal featured paired with a matching extended guitar solo, i.e. Perry and Schon splitting the spotlight with a cohesive song. Trial By Fire needed more tracks like this on the back half of the album(Japanese version did have this and was much better) to save it fom just having too much AOR. Oh well, at least this was there to bolster the album's pace.
49: Line of Fire (Departure)
A fairly short little rocker from Rolie's final album with the band. It's got great vocals over a strong riff, has their typical questionable lyrics, and has some really nice bridges to add very nice flavour to the song. What's not to love? There's a lot going on for a three minute song. That gunshot was apaprently a pain for them to record and get it to sound right.
48: Stone In Love (Escape)
I know! I thought it would be higher, too! Great example of how their pop-rock era could be outstanding. Interspersed soloing with the great riff to accompany solid vocals... it's what Journey does well. That mid song pause buildup into the outro solo takes this from being a nice song to one I do really love. All in all I think it works better live, though, especially with Augeri. Song sounds like it was written for him, not Perry. In all of my listening recently I've discovered that I like Escape a lot more than I remember. It's definitely my favourite of the four Perry/Cain outings.
47: In My Lonely Feeling/Conversations (Journey)
This album is a downright monster, and this song might have of the most interesting opening 30 seconds of anything on the album. Worth noting this is the only album they had two guitarists, with George Tickner on rhythm guitars. I've always been a proponent of bringing him back! The transitions from the softest stuff on the album and some more aggressive rhythm section stuff support and highlight what is basically a guitar solo showing why Schon was considered a child prodigy. I'm not sure how old he was for this album, maybe 20. I think the double title is from them pasting the section with vocals together with the section without... where oddly Conversations is the one without vocals.
46: Daydream (Evolution)
Here we have my least favourite album with Rolie. Really, lots of good stuff on here, but the way the album was put together really hurt a lot of good songs. Most everything on here is leagues better live, and Evolution's songs suffer for it in this ranking. The album flows nicely, but almost feels like one song sometimes, in a not very good way that prevents anything from standing out. The instruments are just turned down way too far on Evolution for one thing. However, that allows some tracks to standout, like this one and others in the back reaches. Here we have an odd piece that isn't terribly out there as far as complexity, but just offers a very cool sound with almost trippy instrumentation and vocals. Great stuff and helps save an album from too much of the same syndrome.
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All I really know is the greatest hits, so I'll be reading to maybe hear some new songs. :tup
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I won tickets to see Journey in Chicago yesterday morning.
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"Won" just doesn't seem like the right word in this context.
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Now, now, bosk, none of the nippiness. I don't like Pineda as much, either, but it isn't that bad.
@Splent: You win it off The Loop?
I'm going to continue on, and I'll try to do an update of 5 every day or two until near the end.
45: Midnight Dreamer (Look Into the Future)
Considering Journey's lineage, this song fits into what you might've initially expected from a more jazz rock oriented Santana. This used to be my favourite song off this album, but not so much anymore for reasons unknown. Typical early Journey with a short vocal section followed a long soloing section for Rolie and Schon. Great feel to the song, they put together a nice intro with Rolie singing and transition into the aptly dreamy instrumental. It's not a terribly ridiculous piece, but it sounds very nice.
44: Faithfully (Frontiers)
Cain writes too much, but sometimes he hits it spot on and you get songs like this. Anyone reading this probably knows this song, so I'll just say it gets big points for good passion and a wonderful buildup throughout to accompany a tremendous solo. Great concert closer, I've seen an entire audience singing the "woah" parts in unison all the way into the parking lots. Nice topic, too, about being on the road with a band.
43: Nickel & Dime (Next)
Here's an odd album that I've really changed my mind on in the last few weeks. Used to consider Next a bit of a dud for the Rolie era, but now I seem to love most of it. The fadeouts and the way they split the songs due to being released on a record, creating a unbalanced cd tracklisting, irked me. Side A was more proggy and Side B was more hard hitting. Anyways, this is a great instrumental that takes a very literal title, as it starts in 5 and ends in 10. The original version had a third section in 7, but it got dropped, oh well. The drums are a lot of fun from former Zappa drummer Dunbar.
42: We Will Meet Again (Arrival)
Beautiful closing track to Arrival, providing a strong drum beat to a song that fits Augeri's voice very well. The hints at darker tones atop a fairly light feeling song, along with a great finish, elevate it from being a good track to a great one. Gives a ringing finality to Arrival, so makes it a big booster for album quality, too. I admit, different album placement and maybe I might not have it as high. It really might be their best song for specifically closing an album.
41: Karma (Next)
Another closing track, which is one of the more straight ahead songs that they did before they moved onto a dedicated lead singer. One of the cool things about this song is that Rolie continues to sing during Schon's solo over the last couple of minutes. It's a tactic that ended up producing many of their best songs later on. Schon's guitar sound on this track is really nice, and it's a good song for either headphones or a better speaker system as his guitar is split in a peculiar way, giving a nice sonic twist to the song.
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Its nice to see someone else besides myself who appreciates the whole of Journey's career, not just their popular peak with Steve Perry. I love every era of Journey, but really respect the Steve Augeri era and enjoy everything from those 8 years. Remember Me is one of their best arrangements, Arrival is a monster album, Red 13 is a nice divergence into longer songs and more adventurous arrangement, and I really enjoy Generations and think it is easily one of their better albums (Faith In The Heartland is their best opener and a tremendous song!). Steve Augeri is a talented vocalist and I never mistook him for Perry for a moment!
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Ha, I think you might like my rankings as far as the Augeri era is concerned! :lol
I picked up Eclipse today. Heard it once on not so great speakers, so I'm not sure what to say so far. Seems like it'll take some time to absorb the album, which isn't a bad thing. Definitely the best full album since Arrival, though(but that isn't the strongest competition). Arrangements are interesting, Schon doesn't get lost in his own guitar(like he sometimes can) so puts up some quality melodic solos, and Pineda sounds stronger this time around.
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40: She Makes Me(Feel Alright) (Look into the Future)
Fun track that really gets their second album going into its best material. It's fairly short but packs a lot of energy, and really highlights how some of their older stuff fits into their future times with Perry. If I rated this song off some boots I've heard it would be much higher, adding Perry vocals as highlights on the song added another dimension that worked extremely well.
39: Opened the Door (Infinity)
Closes off Infinity as a solid atmospheric piece. Nice opening couple of minutes that highlights Perry and finishes with a big and airy guitar section. As for writing songs that fittingly close albums, they only topped this with the Arrival album.
38: Lights (Infinity)
Huh, I didn't even realize I put the opener and closer to Infinity right next each other in this ranking. I imagine anyone reading this knows the song, which I believe was the second song Perry and Schon wrote together. Back half of the song is the highlight, mixing a nice backing vocal part into a guitar solo and Perry's lead. Great way to introduce Perry to the fans, and more on that later...
37: Who's Crying Now (Escape)
Might be Schon's most well known solo, but the dynamic of having two parts make a whole works really well for Journey. One lead for Perry and one lead for Schon, all making a couple of good pieces a great song. I've been amused in the past by people refering to this song as how great a guitar player Perry was. Best version I've ever heard was one a San Francisco station had with Augeri on lead, though. A few of these big Escape songs really sounded more natural with Augeri.
36: People (Next)
The best off of the A side of Next, which had one attempt at a more straight up song with 3 sort of zaney other songs. This one is a nice example of both Rolie and Schon having some restrained fun while also having some singing that's sort of catchy and adds to the song. Things build to a peak maybe a little past halfway and everything slowly backs away until the end. Nice touch for having an interesting way to come out of a song but still keep interesting.
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35: All the Things (Arrival)
Somewhat harder hitting song for Journey, but it fits the general darker tones of Arrival very well. I seem to recall hearing Sony was unhappy that they placed this song so high on the album, at track 4. Me, I think the album is actually better by removing tracks 2&3 and letting this fall in second, not that track 3 is bad at all. Cain is what send this song over the top for me, nice unobtrusive organ play in the first couple of minutes that really adds to the groove. They pull it away for the second half of the song, which leaves you wanting to hear the song again.
34: Next (Next)
Best song off of Next. Not quite as flamboyant as some of the other stuff from their early records, it mixes in half time sections with some nice drumming bridges by Dunbar. Finishes off with an interesting layered solo section by Schon. Rolie was no stellar vocalist, but he sounds great on songs like this.
33: Separate Ways(Worlds Apart) (Frontiers)
Terrible, terrible video. Fine, they did it when it wasn't exactly an art form, but it's terrible. ...better than Chain Reaction's video, at least. ...maybe, who can really tell. Solid, powerful song, and Perry's more worn out voice is very appealing on this song. Also a nice example of having a very straight forward drum beat that actually sounds interesting and add to a song rather than become tiresome, part of why Smith is a better drummer than Castronovo, in my opinion.
32: Loved by You (Arrival)
OK, I have another Cain song. I suppose when he gets it right he does a fantastic job. They should have left off All the Way and With Your Love, the two worst songs on the album as well as two of three singles, and made this the single. Here's a nice ballad that sounds like they wrote it with Augeri in mind. Dark, beautiful sounding song where Schon takes a definite back seat, mostly just adding occasional ornamentation outside of his solo.
31: Kohoutek (Journey)
The comet song, yay. How very odd that they ended up pairing this song with Too Late, from Evolution, in later tours. Guess I would describe this song as: Atmosphere! Atmosphere! A little more atmosphere! OOH now we're rocking! ...cool drums! Big Atmosphere! Solo! Back and forth solos! More Solo! Even More Solo! Yay! Back to atmosphere for the finish! Oh wait, our drummer needed to play more! Now bye.
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Been away for awhile for anyone following this thread. I didn't really expect a lot of activity, since most people here aren't that familiar with Journey, and it has been getting some views so I'm going to keep going with this.
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30: Anyway You Want It (Departure)
That song from Caddyshack. Opens the final normal studio album they did with Rolie, which turned out to be their first top ten charting album, too. Like a lot of Journey's best songs it is highlighted by a Schon solo over the last third of the song over some nice vocals, especially what Perry adds just before the fadeout begins. Not sure if I like the fadeout, here. I always want to here Perry continue to add over the solo, but it is a good thing whenver a song makes you want to hear it again by not overplaying various elements.
29: Little Girl (Dream After Dream)
OK, Dream After Dream was actually Rolie's last studio album with the band, it's just not normal. They went and wrote a sound track for a Japanese movie of the same name, where they brought in Schon's father to help score various pieces. All in all, they ended up with only three songs with vocals and, obviously, some pretty odd tracks. I would have liked to have included a couple of the instrumental tracks on this list, but in the end they missed out. Little Girl has a haunting quality to it and is simply beautiful and has a great outro. It's nothing amazing, but I really like Valory's bass here.
28: I'm Cryin (Departure)
Hot track. Powerful sounding, yet still is deceptively soft feeling. I think it's in 12/8, which gives it that great Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' feeling, only much better. It never really has a defining riff, it's mostly soaring vocals mixed with a bunch of short, flaring guitar add ons. One of my favourite Perry songs.
27: Dixie Highway (Captured)
Not a studio album, but this is the final original song Rolie recorded with Journey. I might be breaking my own rule including, this, since there never was a studio version and so I have to use the live version. This whole album is fantastic, except that the boots of the concerts are better since they didn't take out a large variety of great songs. It does go to show how much better the Evolution songs were than they as presented on Evolution. Dixie Highway has a fun sort of kick to it and is a great send off for Rolie. For the record, Captured's studio track Party's Over(Hopelessly in Love) was not recorded with Rolie or his replacement Cain, but rather with a friend of the band.
26: Troubled Child (Frontiers)
The hidden gem from Frontiers. Balanced song, everyone seems to have their moments of shinging throughout. Too bad I always hear Perry singing "danke schön" instead of "you can shine"... I just looked that up, I always wondered what the heck he was trying to say.
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Another big Journey fan here, and also another who appreciates their entire career and not just the Perry years :tup I actually thought Journey would be a more popular band on this forum for some reason but it seems I was wrong. There isn't even a Journey thread! Liking your top 50 so far, big surprise to see Troubled Child at #26, definitely a hugely under-appreciated track.
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1: Don't Stop Believing?
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1: Don't Stop Believing?
It better be the title track from Look into the Future or else the whole ranking fails. ;)
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@Bolsters: Thanks! I have one more track I think might raise some eyebrows to Journey fans much more than Troubled Child! :) I'm curious what people will say to that one, it's hated by many typical Journey fans if I remember right.
1: Don't Stop Believing?
1. Pull Me Under?
It better be the title track from Look into the Future or else the whole ranking fails. ;)
I... i... how did you do this? :'(
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25: Change for the Better (Revelation)
Well, sure sign I don't like an album is the tendency to just skip straight to some song and then quit listening a song or two later. I almost exclusively listen to entire albums, but with Revelations I always just want to go and listen to a few songs, and this one most so. Guitar intro is hard to palate on first listen since it is sort of unusual, but it is one of the things that takes this song over the top from just being a really good song. That bridge following a solo near the end of the song is sick.
24: The Time (Red 13)
Red 13 was not a polished EP, get over it. Long story short, Journey was for their first time not with Sony(Columbia) and decided to release some not radio friendly songs they wanted to play for fans. It had next to no budget, and I was very happy they decided to go this way! I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I would have liked to hear Augeri let loose earlier in the song. Thing is when he does it's just an awesome feeling, so maybe they did it right, I can't decide. Cool bridge around the halfway mark on the song is a highlight.
23: One More (Trial by Fire)
Social conscious song is powerful. What a song for Perry and Schon to go out on, with the matched vocal and guitar lines. The worn out Perry sound is godly for this song, especially over the disjointed backing vocals. The sound on the guitar solo is fantastic, the way they end it is catchy, and everything gets rolled up into a touchy topic, mass starvation. It was the songs like this on Trial by Fire that make you lament what this album and reunion could have been.
22: Look Into the Future (Look Into the Future)
Tracks in around the eight minute mark on what I want to call a groovy feel(but would be dead wrong). It's built on a rather slow paced beat with plenty of nice faux speed ups, including hints of aggression in a number of transitions that build up a great sort of tension which is well released in the closing solo by Schon. Fantastic chill song that never quite drags itself down, giving it a honed edge.
21: Topaz (Journey)
George Tickner was awesome. He has to be, he wrote this song. Probably the best instrumental Journey put out happens to be the one song written solely by the only rhythm guitarist they ever had. Exhilarating first half leads to one heck of a Schon solo laced over a very cool rhythm section. It's all topped off with an eventual outro with some callbacks between Rolie and one of the guitarists.
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Only 22nd? Ouch!!!
I've always had a lot of love for that song. Infact, being very much into the flow of albums, I've always felt that LITF was the beggining of the best run of songs of any Journey album. LITF, Midnight Dreamer and I'm Gonna Leave You are simply an unstoppable combo of songs in my opinion. So much so that I can't listen to one without hearing them in order (so much for the shuffle mode on my ipod when one of the songs comes on lol...)
Since you've already ranked my favorite song from the first album (In my lonely feeling/conversations), I'm interested to see where and if my other favorites from that album will come in. Namely, Of a Lifetime and Mystery Mountain. I'm also interested in seeing if Winds of March makes the list.
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What a great pick with The Time. I never expected to see that on the list.
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@PowerSlave: That second half of Look Into the Future probably is one of their best runs on any of their albums. Have to think about that more to say if I think it's the very best, but it definitely must be right there.
I'll be answering the question about one of the three songs you mentioned right away. You seem to be skilled at pointing out songs right before they get posted.
@kingshmegland : Glad to see someone that appreciates Red 13. Is The Time your favourite off of it?
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20: Patiently (Infinity)
First song Schon and Perry wrote together. Schon provides a cool, rolling acoustic underneath a beautiful work by Perry and Rolie. Apparently the guitar part is harder than it sounds, although I don't really know. That brackets one of the best moments on the Infinity album with an unexpected booming solo section, where we get Perry and Schon's guitar in unison as a way to pass the torch between each of their biggest features in the song.
19: Live and Breathe (Arrival)
Back before Arrival was released Journey made some hints at a Wheel in the Sky 2000. You can imagine how fans interpreted that, but they were actually being literal. I believe it was Augeri that took the intro they had been playing live for Wheel in the Sky and made it a full song! Great, smooth song led by Valory and Augeri. Generally a softer more melodic feel gets punctuated by Schon crashing in. I don't know if they ever played this live since I believe they continued to use the intro version of it for Wheel in the Sky.
18: Where Were You (Departure)
Might be my first choice as a concert opener, very high energy. A great guitar drives the song right from the get go. Solo section has a great transition, with some pointed bass, back into a closing chorus section featuring some added guitar screeches by Schon.
17: Escape (Escape)
Just an all around song that is possibly the most intriguing piece on Escape. I love how the song doesn't really have a lot of repetition, but just keeps growing and getting better. Maybe Valory and Smith's shining song on Escape, everyone gets great parts on this song. Cain gets a cool transition, Perry has a great part with everyone else on backing vocals, and Schon is just all over this one.
16: Winds of March (Infinity)
They wrote the song while with their first dedicated lead singer, Robert Fleischman. It sounded great with Perry, and it sounded great with him. Also cool is that this was a song Schon wrote with his father, a pairing that produced some great songs for Journey here and later. Just beautiful intro brings us to a kick ass solo section featuring some of Rolie's best stuff on the album as well as some sick sounding guitars.
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Live and Breathe :metal it's refreshing to see Arrival songs appear in not only a top 50 but in the top 25. I too appreciate Red 13 but my favorite off of it is the Intro/State of Grace. I like The Time alot aswell though :biggrin:
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Yes it is. I was very happy to hear a full on rock song from Journey.
Great pick with Patiently too!!
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Where Were You is such an awesome song. Great list thus far, yorost!
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Great list thus far, yorost!
Not to take anything away from Yorost, but...he is listing 50 Journey songs. Unless you are trying to pick the worst or have really strange tastes, it's hard to list 50 Journey songs and not have a pretty cool list.
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Thanks hef! ...and bosk, I believe the typical Journey fan actually would consider my list indicative of strange taste. :lol
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15: You're on Your Own (Look Into the Future)
Cowrote by former acoustic guitarist Tickner, you can really hear Schon layering in the parts that would have been Tickner's. I love the guitars playing in the beginning, split into the left and right tracks, and going from unison to separate parts. This song kicks off the meat of the album, a set of four excellent, longer songs, and is led in by the best short song on the album. Rolie puts on a show in here, and Schon follows suit with a memorable solo over Rolie's chorus.
14: Colors of the Spirit (Trial by Fire)
It took me years to really notice this song in the depths of a soft songs filling the back half of Trial by Fire. Now, I find myself wanting to listen to this again every time I hear it. Itt's a fairly straightforward song with a sort of tribal feel to it. Perry nails this one, and Valory just makes this song, even getting some soloing in underneath what you might first mistake as a Schon outro solo.
13: Remember Me (Armageddon: The Album)
The song that kicked off life without Perry, and the song that really triggered me into checking out Journey. Although I did unwittingly know a number of their songs already. Great sound on the song, but I do prefer the extended version that was included on the single. Schon and Augeri really sound great together, too bad they never played it live much due to someone in the band really disliking playing it. It was either Cain or Schon I imagine, but I have no idea which one or why.
12: Faith in the Heartland (Generations)
I love what they tried with Generations, I do. It didn't work, though, maybe they were forcing the alternate singer too much instead of just letting it happen on a song or two. Shame on Shirley for being so interested in rerecording this for disc one of Revelations, that just pisses me off with Revelations. Not only is the Generations version better all around, it felt like a slap in the face of Augeri since they couldn't just put it in with Greatest Hits disc, which would have been very cool. Generations was their first full album off of Columbia, so they chose to give it to concert goers on their tour that covered songs from all of their eras. I was so pumped for that tour, I was finally going to see a bunch of songs from their first three albums played live. ...I ended up at one of the venues that neither allowed giveaways or multiple set performances so I saw zero songs from that era. I'd had no idea there were a few dates like that on the tour, much less to bother checking that the only one I could go to would be one. Disappointing doesn't begin to describe it. Anyways, it's a fabulous song, and one of Castronovo's best outings with Journey, give the Generations version a listen.
11: Feeling That Way/Anytime (Infinity)
The world just doesn't seem right if these two aren't together. I've seen them live together, they're played on radio together, they're just hardly ever separated, so I'm counting them as one song with two parts. Both were largely written before Perry joined, part one was almost on Next in some form and Anytime was written with Fleischman. Great way to introduce Perry to fans, though. Start off with Lights, then revert back to a more familiar Journey sound with Perry as a secondary singer. That thick sound Schon gets on his solo is because they through him out into the hallway to play it.
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I was so happy to here Remember Me. The new singer sounded great, it had balls but was also melodic. A few years later I was able to see them before Arrival came out and was blown away.
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Did you see Remember Me live?
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10: Destiny (Dream After Dream)
I've never seen the movie this album was made for, which is apparently for the best, but I'm always curious how this song came about. A nine minute opener is no laughing matter, it anchors the whole album and helps everything else sort of fit together as they move out of this into a mostly instrumental album. Intro immediately tells you this is different, with a horn accompanying the song. Heck, we even get a horn and guitar going back and forth at one point. I love the guitar and drums playing an offbeat pattern in the softer sections, which might actually be on beats in that jazzy 12/8 pattern they favour. The highlight is definitely the fun instrumental section around the middle, and Rolie and Smith end up closing the song with an eerie keyboard/percussion section.
9: Mystery Mountain (Journey)
Yup, mountains, clouds, lava... great stuff to sing about! I love it when Journey comes up with lyrics like this, which might have started as a poem from Valory's wife like some other more well known songs. Valory, Schon, and Dunbar all drive this song, with Tickner and Rolie's vocals adding some cool stuff to accompany them along the way. This as a closer is a big part of what makes Journey so memorable.
8: Walking Away From the Edge (Red 13)
I am pretty sure this song was written during Geoff Tate's audition for lead singer, before they ultimately chose Augeri. It was deemed too dark, so did not go to Arrival despite Schon's stated love for this song. Beautiful lyrics, but Augeri really put his best performance on Red 13 here. The thing is, if I had to pick a Schon solo I considered his best in Journey, for both quality but also fitting a song, it would be this one. Coming out of that first half of the song, it's just a gorgeous work. Something Schon likes to do is record improv solos for songs in demo sessions and then have that tape pasted into the finished products, to keep a more raw feeling to his solos. I'm not sure he did it here, but I'd guess he did on this one.
7: Higher Place (Arrival)
If I was going to pick one compilation song with Augeri on lead it would be this. It's the most accessible live song from time in the band, and has been a staple ever since it was released. One of the few songs they brought over with Pineda from Augeri's time. I remember some of my friends getting this after it leaked and playing it for me, we were all very pumped at that point. Two of us forked over for the Japanese Arrival, released far in advance of the US version, and another ended up at the Journey 2001 dvd concert and kept holding it over my head he saw this live already. Seen it twice live, myself, just awesome. It was the no brainer pick to open up Arrival.
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No. I wish I did.
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Faith In The Heartland is definitely my favorite Journey opener. Big, anthemic, emotional, and the playing is top notch. One of Augeri's finest vocal performances during his tenure with the band.
I also really enjoy Generations as a whole, I dont think it deserves all the flak it gets, I find it tons better than Revelation but a few steps behind Arrival...in my opinion Generations was the last real Journey album before they turned into that Journey tribute band.
This is a great list though, I cannot say I disagree with any of the song placements on here at all, even including the Red13 material is pretty awesome!
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Yeah, I didn't mind Generations either, and I agree, I was also annoyed when they redid it on Revelations, it was just unneccesary.
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It seemed like a deliberate slap in the face to Augeri to rerecord it and make it worse than how it sounded on Generations. But then again, from what I gathered over the years, the Journey guys arent exactly upstanding citizens...at least Augeri got some royalties out of it since he co-wrote it.
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To be fair, as I recall interviews from the time the decision to rerecord it was largely Shirley fighting for the right to do it. He thought the Generations version was detrimental to a great song and wanted to give it a proper treatment. Journey eventually went with it since they figured they were already doing on the Greatest Hits and it would help expose the song. The insult was which disc it appeared on. ...and that it got worse.
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Yes if there is one thing Generations needs is a hardcore remastering, thats true. I suppose if FITH were on disc 2 of Revelations I would be able to stomach it more, as it stands it seems out of place on disc 1 and doesnt sound better sonically at all, at least to me. Oh and Arnel tries way too hard on that version, Augeri's delivery is much more natural.
Thats my big problem with Arnel. He is merely doing a passable imitation of Steve Perry's style, and it doesnt sound natural, he just sounds like a very good tribute singer. While Augeri has some similarity to Perry's style, he always seemed to be his own man with his vocal delivery, I cant think of one Augeri-era song where I mistake him for Perry at all.
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Have you heard Eclipse? Pineda sounds much better to me on this one.
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I have. He does sound better but I dont see why he has to shout almost everything he sings. I think musically it's an interesting album, but lyrically it's very spotty, and the choruses aren't really interesting to me. I will say I think Ritual is killer, the music, lyrics, and instrumentation remind me of Escape, in a good way, if more songs had had that kind of mentality it would be a killer album.
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I feel like I should clarify, I dont hate Arnel specifically, I think he is doing what he is told by the J-men and is doing a bang up job for the most part. I simply feel hiring him because he can do a great impersonation of Perry was a huge mistake and solidified Journey for me as a dinosaur rock act. Had they continued on the same course after Generations with Augeri, I feel they would still be relevant. As it stands though they seem comfortable with the legacy voice and sound with Arnel, although I admire Neal Schon for wanting to branch out with this new album.
Cannot wait to see the rest of this list!
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6: I'm Gonna Leave You (Look Into the Future)
That song that sounds like part of Carry on my Wayward Son. This came first, though. It was also co written by Tickner while he was still with the band, who is apparently a beast of a writer that is too bad they lost. Great guitar riffs, Rolie sounds great, sexy guitar and vocal interplay, Valory and Dunbar are kicking, and this thing is lined to the brim with solos. I love this shit.
5: Mother, Father (Escape)
Seeing Schon's father listed in the credits of a Journey song is a surefire sign you have a fantastic song to listen to. Give me one word to describe this song and I would have to say, euphoric. Nice touches all around on this song, all starting with a beautiful opening. Perry and Valory lead the lyrical sections, and if you were ever to call Perry otherworldly this is probably the song to point to. Schon, though, comes closet to taking the show on this song, including two dramatically different primary solos. I love that second solo when he puts in the hiccups. I get chills every time I listen to this song.
4: People and Places (Departure)
Neal Schon, lead vocals. What? This song comes out of nowhere on Departure. The coolest vocals Journey has ever done on a song, by the time they get to the half way point, i.e. intro done, I'm just trying to stop smiling because I know it's about to get a whole lot more awesome. Smith's drumming under Schon's solo adds an extra bit of joy to an already top shelf song.
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I was always excited to hear a Rolie-era Journey tune with the hammond b3 in it, always added a smokey touch of class to the tune.
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Damnit Yorost!!! You keep shortening the lists lol... I wanna see where this thing ends up and now you're teasing us. :(
I think I know what the number one song is. I'm definately looking forward to the end to see if I'm correct.
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Damnit Yorost!!! You keep shortening the lists lol... I wanna see where this thing ends up and now you're teasing us. :(
I think I know what the number one song is. I'm definately looking forward to the end to see if I'm correct.
I'll bet your guess for #1 is actually #3. :p I really, really, want it to be #1, but the order I eventually came up with just felt right. Trying to rank these songs and be comfortable about it was hard.
I'm just doing 4-3-2-1 over the top ten you can deal. :D I'm traveling the next few days, but I'll try to make the posts each day if I at all can.
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3: Of a Lifetime (Journey)
First album, first song, yikes did they ever get off to a start running. Make note that this was yet another song co wrote with Tickner, their acoustic guitarist. I love the way this song gets going, but the story is really all about Schon's massive solo. In the recording sessions Schon went in and laid the solo in one take, then asked for a second take to layer them. He nailed it exactly. Two takes, huge solo, both on the final cut, apparently dropping the producers mouth. It gives a great sound to undoubtedly one of Schon's best solos.
2: Livin' to Do (Arrival)
The last song Schon ever wrote with his father. Brooding song, I believe another in 12/8, with a great delivery from Augeri. A bright but sad solo from Schon and a melancholy solo Cain bracket the heart of the song. When Schon kicks in after the intro solo and other spots the contrast just looms over the song. This piece is beautiful and heartfelt with plenty to listen to musically. I saw this live, and I count myself lucky for it because I really don't think it got performed often. My one gripe is that this was supposed to top out around 8 minutes, but it got pared down somewhere in the process of finalizing Arrival.
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Is this the thread to post about Eclipse? Or is there another thread for that album?
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Is this the thread to post about Eclipse? Or is there another thread for that album?
I'm pretty sure there's another thread man.
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Is this the thread to post about Eclipse? Or is there another thread for that album?
I'm pretty sure there's another thread man.
Thanks, I'll find it then.
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Is this the thread to post about Eclipse? Or is there another thread for that album?
I'm pretty sure there's another thread man.
Thanks, I'll find it then.
Bumped it for you mate.
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Is this the thread to post about Eclipse? Or is there another thread for that album?
I'm pretty sure there's another thread man.
Thanks, I'll find it then.
Bumped it for you mate.
Thanks man...got sidetracked.
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Id be interested to hear Livin To Do as an 8 minute version, however I do feel it said all it needed to say in 6 min 24 secs. Fantastic song, emotional highlight of Arrival. Maybe Schon's most emotional solo he has ever recorded, a good example to show Journey novices why he is my favorite guitarist.
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Damnit Yorost!!! You keep shortening the lists lol... I wanna see where this thing ends up and now you're teasing us. :(
I think I know what the number one song is. I'm definately looking forward to the end to see if I'm correct.
I'll bet your guess for #1 is actually #3. :p I really, really, want it to be #1, but the order I eventually came up with just felt right. Trying to rank these songs and be comfortable about it was hard.
I'm just doing 4-3-2-1 over the top ten you can deal. :D I'm traveling the next few days, but I'll try to make the posts each day if I at all can.
>:( :censored :censored >:(
Yeah, you were right. #1 better blow my doors off, brutha lol...
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Yorost, something I've noticed is you mentioning Tickner as their "acoustic guitarist". I remember seeing some very old footage of the band when he was still with them and I'm pretty sure that he played electric. He was just the rythm player. It's been quite awhile since I've seen the footage so I could be wrong but, I'm pretty confident.
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You are right, I've just been dumb. Meant rhythm guitarist, that's all.
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#1 - Positive Touch? :P
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I do have a hard time trying to pick a favourite off that album.
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You are right, I've just been dumb. Meant rhythm guitarist, that's all.
Nah, that's not dumb. It's just me being picky about semantics. Don't worry about it.
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1: Wheel in the Sky (Infinity)
To me, the quintessential Journey piece, and another song written with Fleischman while he was the singer. Pretty sure it started lyrically as a poem by Valory's wife. The album version is great, but I admit isn't quite what makes this my top pick. It has a stellar groove to it coming off a great guitar intro. Perry kicking in atop Schon's solo and then Schon coming out into a unison with all the singers on the chorus is amazing. However, they fade out so quickly over part of what makes this so great, the additional section always played full live. In fact, that this song has gone through so many awesome intros, additional sections, and variations live is why it is pushed to my top pick. Heck, it even spawned a fabulous child in Live and Breathe. It has two sections in particular which have been long staples to the song, which really feel missing(or shortened too far) when it is played on Infinity. The Infinity version is great, but so is the Fleischman demo of it, and live versions are just a better, more complete, form of the song. This song is Journey for me more than any other. It just didn't feel right putting it any lower than the top.
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Great song. Their best song, though...??? It's all opinion so, I definately can't argue with your choices. Infact, I'm not at all familiar with much of the band's newer music that you listed because I was never much of a fan of JC or the band after he joined with a few exceptions like mother,father.
I had fun reading the list even if we don't agree on some of the songs ect. ect...Good job on it.
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Didn't see that coming actually, especially given the ranks you put other "best of" tracks in your top 50, or at least the ones that you didn't exclude completely. Still, nice list, thanks for doing it :metal
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Well, I had a hard time ranking the top songs, so I hope neither of you are too underwhelmed by the top choice! :lol Honestly, I didn't like it at top, either, when I consider only the Infinity version. They screwed up by fading out the outro section, especially since it was immediate. The song as it's been played for a long time is how I view it, though, with the additional instrumental section after Schon's first solo, and the outro fully intact. The Infinity version actually sounds incomplete to me. See Greatest Hits Live, Journey 2001, Revelations DVD, etc, for what I'm referring. Whenever I tried ranking it lower because of Infinity I kept thinking about those versions and pushed it back up.
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Great pick for #1. Everything about this song is quintessential Journey. Soaring lead vocals, great backing vocals, intricate guitar work, one of Schon's best solos, steady rhythm section, especially (coming from a drummer) simple yet deceptively complex drum part. It's not my number 1, but I can definitely see where you are coming from.
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Thanks! Your post about the Augeri era early on was a great precursor for what was yet to come. You pretty much nailed how things were going to pan out on that front. It had been very amusing reading that, even though I don't know if you agreed with the Arrival choices or general ordering.
@Powerslave: Your post about Mystery Mountain and Of a Lifetime was a great call, too. Nice to have someone ask about tracks you have in your top ten! ...particularly after you just knocked off their #1 song. :lol
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Thanks! Your post about the Augeri era early on was a great precursor for what was yet to come. You pretty much nailed how things were going to pan out on that front. It had been very amusing reading that, even though I don't know if you agreed with the Arrival choices or general ordering.
@Powerslave: Your post about Mystery Mountain and Of a Lifetime was a great call, too. Nice to have someone ask about tracks you have in your top ten! ...particularly after you just knocked off their #1 song. :lol
Hey, I'm used to rejection like that. Just ask the ladies... :rollin :mehlin
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Well yorost it was just really refreshing to see someone appreciate the whole of their career and not just the big popular phase in the 80's. I like the general order of the list, not that I agree with the placement of every single song (then again it would take me ages to make my own top 50 list), but it's realy diverse and sporadic, doesn't necessarily seem to favor one era over the other. Yeah, I'm a huge Augeri fan (Arrival was a gateway to the first Tall Stories album which is fantastic AOR rock!), and adore Arrival and really like Generations and Red 13, so I am definately biased in saying that I am happy the list was fairly front-loaded with Augeri-era material. This list did make me rediscover some of their material I hadn't heard in a while, which is definately good.
On a related note, my two personal favorite Journey tunes are 'Winds Of March' and 'Trial By Fire'(which is also my favorite song of all time, as well.)
Favorite Journey albums are Arrival, Trial By Fire, Escape, Frontiers and Infinity.
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Good list. Just shows there's quite a bit of Journey stuff that I still need to get into. Some interesting choices too. Good to see Troubled Child in there I love that song. Just shows how good the band are too and how many great tracks they have. Other songs I would have included; Send Her My Love, Edge of the Blade, Only the Young, Straight to Your Heart, so many great songs.
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Where's Suzanne? ;)
Seriously though, very good list.
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Thanks guys.
The one thing I did expect some comment about was my placement of Colors of the Spirit. What does anyone think of that song? I thought it was fairly despised, at least it was in the typical Journey circles.
@wolfking: Yeah, I didn't like leaving off a couple of the ones you listed. In fact, I had around 20 songs I really didn't want to leave off. I'm not sure about Straight to Your Heart, though, do you mean the Bad English song?
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Sorry, I meant A Place in Your Heart from Generations, great classic Journey style song. Straight to Your Heart is a top 3 Bad English song though. :tup
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Schon just released a sample track for his upcoming album, the more promising of the two that should be out this year.
https://www.schonmusic.com/
https://bit.ly/schonmusic
It's called "The Calling" and is on a project with Steve Smith and some appearances from Jan Hammer. Nice track, but I hope it isn't the best they have to offer, Schon, Smith, Hammer(for whatever he's on) should be great songs. Then again, I only gave it one listen and will wait for the album. Schon's solo albums are some of his best stuff, I'm always excited for them.
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Yorost, your list is certainly...unconventional. :lol I really couldn't do a top 10 or top 20 Journey list much justice because it would look too much like a standard "greatest hits" disk that is mostly packed with the Perry hits. Wheel In The Sky (#1, for most of the reasons Yorost picked it), Lights, Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin', Any Way You Want It, a fair chunk of the Escape and Frontiers albums, and just a couple of newer songs, like Higher Place and Chain of Love. Mine would be pretty boring.
Well, actually, what the heck. Here's my top 10:
1. Wheel In The Sky - See Yorost's post.
2. Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) - To me, this song is quintessential rock with a catchy pop flair and hooks you can't ignore.
3. Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' - I overlooked this song back in the Perry era for some reason and only really rediscovered it in the early 2000's, originally because of DT's use of it in The Big Medley. Really fun live song, and just a total blast to sing.
4. Faithfully - Terrific ballad. For most bands, I might include a ballad or maybe 2 tops in a top 10. Journey wrote a lot of really bad, cheesey ones, but they also really have a knack for writing amazing ones as well. This one just oozes emotion and atmosphere. One of my favorite ballads by anybody.
5. Stone in Love - Schon. Riff. Yeah.
6. Don't Stop Believin' - Overplayed? Yeah. But deservedly so. Like it or not, this is probably the most iconic Journey song, and for good reason. It's just so good. Part of me is surprised it isn't ranked higher on my list.
7. Chain of Love - Speaking of Schon and riffs... I was actually tempted to put this one or two spots higher, but it just seems almost blasphemous to put a post-Perry song above Don't Stop Believin'.
8. Lights - Stellar song. And if you're from the SF Bay Area, it has a little deeper meaning. If you've ever watched the sun set over San Francisco Bay and not had this song play in your head, you either have no taste in music or are just a tourist (or both).
9. Any Way You Want It - Another classic that had to make the list. Another fun song to cover in a band.
10. Who's Crying Now - Hard to put another ballad in here when there are so many good rockers high up on the list, but there's a lot to love about this song. Valory's prominent bass work really takes it up a notch.
Ones that just missed the cut:
Higher Place
Send Her My Love
Chain Reaction
La Raza Del Sol
...and a few from the first three albums.
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Nice to see Separate Ways at #2. That would be my #1, with Stone in Love in #2. Not really sure about after that. Even though I like most of Journey's ballads, I don't rank them that highly compared to the rockier stuff.
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I like your list bosk1, especially with Wheel in the Sky on top. I think 7 were in my top 50, and Chain of Love would absolutely make my list if I redid it post-Eclipse. LTS wasn't far off from making it, too. For a mostly hits list, you made choices I would be happy with. :)
As for Don't Stop Believin', it has iconic moments, but I don't know, it's really only a mid range Journey song in my book. Nice album opener, but I got tired of it long before its resurgence.
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Mine would most likely look like a greatest hits also, and would include "Be Good to Yourself" (crazy good vocals form Perry) and "I'll Be Alright Without You" (I love the harmonies on this one).
Also, I imagine everyone saw my play-by-play of the "Separate Ways" video by now?
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Mine would most likely look like a greatest hits also
If you grew up when these songs were coming it, as you and I both did, I think that is actually quite natural. They are quality songs, and there's nothing "trendy" about favoring such quality songs by good musicians who put out a lot of quality work.
and would include "Be Good to Yourself" (crazy good vocals form Perry)
Good song as well. It doesn't make my top 10 (or even top 20), but solid pick.
...and "I'll Be Alright Without You" (I love the harmonies on this one).
Ugh. Really? I despise this song.
Also, I imagine everyone saw my play-by-play of the "Separate Ways" video by now?
Missed that somehow. Link?
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bosk you better not have a drink in your hand when Coz posts it. You spill it all over someone's legal documents.
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Ugh. Really? I despise this song.
Really? I know it's kind of a slower, mid-tempo kinda thing, but it kinda grooves. Nice solo that isn't too over the top. The harmonies on the chorus really are the star of this song. Maybe more so live. It seems like it's better overall live, actually. For example (bonus, pre-Idol Randy Jackson on bass):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjOEgDppd6k
Missed that somehow. Link?
You saw it. Quoted:
is awesome. The following video - Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) - is 80's cheese at its most heinous and I f*cking love it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatorN4P9aA&ob=av2el
Several points of interest:
Steve Perry = Demi Moore
0:35, 0:49 - no instruments
0:52 - Jon Cain bear-pawing his air keyboard
1:07 - awkward zoom-in
1:25 - keyboard on the wall
2:11 - slow-mo marching band "ABOUT FACE!" move
2:16 - advertisement for Steve Perry's dentist
2:18 - why are they in a dockyard full of shipping skids?
2:29-2:36 - sequences like this are whta make 80's videos so excellent
2:44 - 2nd from left: Ross Valory = Jeff Foxworthy
2:56 - Oops! Almost lost my balance!
3:01 - 55-gallon drumset
3:06 - HURRR-STOMPA-STOMPA *follows camera*
3:11 - Pulls out just in time to avoid inevitable Jon Cain collision
3:12 - Jon Cain's patented "Camera Bitch-Slap"
3:17 - Check out how awesome I am. I may have tried to kick Santana out of the band, but at least the afro's gone!
3:22 - guitar face
3:26 - weird slow-mo
3:49 - more wall keyboard
4:01 - Brigitte Nielsen look-alike approaches: "You guys are still at this??"
Okay, so though I make fun of it, it's still f*cking awesome. Enjoy.
bosk you better not have a drink in your hand when Coz posts it. You spill it all over someone's legal documents.
I still chuckle to myself over it. You have to kinda have the video playing while you're looking for these timestamps, for maximum lulz.
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Ugh. Really? I despise this song.
Really? I know it's kind of a slower, mid-tempo kinda thing, but it kinda grooves. Nice solo that isn't too over the top. The harmonies on the chorus really are the star of this song. Maybe more so live. It seems like it's better overall live, actually. For example (bonus, pre-Idol Randy Jackson on bass):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjOEgDppd6k
Raised on Radio can be summed up with: "ick." A couple songs are ok when separated from the album (and are better live), but that's it. I'll Be Alright Without You is not one of them.
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I'll Be Alright Without You is a beautiful song.
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You saw it.
Oh. I forgot! :lol
And, reading through that thread again, :tup for the love for the Wheel In The Sky live rythm guitar riff in the second half of the solo. :metal
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...and a few from the first three albums.
I'm curious, which ones?
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Schon and Cain talk about Separate Ways video! (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/19/journey-separate-ways-video_n_1438485.html)
Cain: ...I had trepidation about playing the "air" stuff. Really? We're going to "air" perform? So I was like, "Oh, Jeeze, we're going to get killed. They're going to kill us." And Beavis and Butthead kicked us for two years.
Schon: I think they're version is the best.
:rollin
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Some really cool info on how Neal Schon and Steve Smith put together Schon's upcoming album. Jan Hammer guests on a couple tracks, too.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/journeys-neal-schon-reveals-plans-for-two-new-solo-albums/
Here’s how the album was created — Smith would come in and lay down some initial tracks for Schon to work off of. “And then I’d say ‘can you go have lunch or something for half an hour and then come back and I’ll be done.’ So I’d map it out and put a rhythm guitar down, arrange the thing the way I heard it in my head and then Steve would come back and he’d listen to it.”
“He’d write down my arrangement and then he’d go out and replay the drums to my new arrangement and a click and play it like it was a full band playing. He’s just amazing like that. And then I went back and I replayed some of the rhythm guitar [parts], some of them I kept. And then I’d start playing solos, even without bass, just freelance soloing and then I played the bass on it to go with the solos, so it came about in a different kind of way, but when you listen to it, it sounds like a really connected trio with keys here and there.“
Seems like a cool approach, add one piece at a time until complete.
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Resurrecting to continue the discussion on Journey 2001 DVD.
I have the Journey 2001 DVD, and man, that was painful the watch. Not so much the performances, but Steve trying to be more Perry than Augeri; the crowd acting and looking like a bunch of '80s teenagers, when they were '00 adults. It was comical, and I just have trouble taking that lineup seriously.
Wait, what? Just...what? ???
Let me reiterate... painful to watch. It really scarred my impression of Augeri-led Journey. I say that with complete sincerity.
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/DTF%20items/SteveAugeri_zpsb52e1ed5.jpg)
^ This guy was Jersey Shore before there was Jersey Shore.
(https://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww265/jingle-boy/DTF%20items/Castronova2_zpsa85a078a.jpg)
And if THAT isn't the exact opposite of the look a rock 'n' roll drummer should be going for, I don't know what is.
And the crowd!!! Can't remember which ballad (likely Faithfully), but I don't need to watch 40 year-olds making out like their sucking face for the first time.
Maybe I need rip just the audio of that DVD.
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I checked Youtube after we had that little discussion in your roulette thread, and I pretty much agree. Augeri's look and mannerisms are a little strange and funny, and Castronovo looks like he showed up in his pyjamas.
You still need to listen to Arrival though. :getoffmylawn:
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Let me reiterate... painful to watch. It really scarred my impression of Augeri-led Journey. I say that with complete sincerity.
Wow. I'm just...shocked, actually. I've never met anyone who thought anything similar, and it's one of my all-time favorite DVDs by any band. (well, I agree about Deen's outfit, but whatever. That was only ever a minor distraction) But...okay.
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I checked Youtube after we had that little discussion in your roulette thread, and I pretty much agree. Augeri's look and mannerisms are a little strange and funny, and Castronovo looks like he showed up in his pyjamas.
You still need to listen to Arrival though. :getoffmylawn:
Alright then... I guess it's 9 albums then. :evilmonkey:
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I forgot all about Arrival even existing. One of the few Journey albums I don't own, and have no interest in hearing. Generations was painful for the most part due to Augeri's vocals, so I'm done with that era of the band.
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I forgot all about Arrival even existing. One of the few Journey albums I don't own, and have no interest in hearing. Generations was painful for the most part due to Augeri's vocals, so I'm done with that era of the band.
There's really no comparison between Arrival and Generations, in terms of the vocals or the songwriting, or even the production. They are two very different albums, and Arrival is better in every conceivable way.
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I forgot all about Arrival even existing. One of the few Journey albums I don't own, and have no interest in hearing. Generations was painful for the most part due to Augeri's vocals, so I'm done with that era of the band.
There's really no comparison between Arrival and Generations, in terms of the vocals or the songwriting, or even the production. They are two very different albums, and Arrival is better in every conceivable way.
Hm maybe I shouldn't have dismissed it so easily then. How would you compare the style to other Journey albums?
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That's a tough one, it doesn't really sound too similar to their other albums, but it still sounds like Journey. I can't really think of one to compare it to. Maybe Trial of Fire, but I think that's an unfair comparison since it has so few redeeming qualities. :lol
On Arrival...Cain mostly only uses piano with very little deviation, so it lacks the syth sound that most of the Cain era albums have. But despite having so much piano, I can't really say it compares to the style of the Rolie stuff at all. A couple of songs even have string sections. Most of the album is slower tempo, and there are more ballad-type songs than a typical Jouney album.
Signs of Life and To Be Alive Again probably best exemplify what a lot of the album sounds like, if you care to Spotify/Youtube them.
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(https://www.bitcandy.com/img/plogs/Journey1-1346940393.jpg)
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La Raza Del Sol - such a forgotten gem and one of my all time fave Journey songs.
Good to see they are still playing it live, Deen's drums are great on this version and so it the extended jam :xbones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjLErX19VMY
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I didn't mind Generations. Place in Your Heart is one of my fav Journey songs.
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That's a tough one, it doesn't really sound too similar to their other albums, but it still sounds like Journey. I can't really think of one to compare it to. Maybe Trial of Fire, but I think that's an unfair comparison since it has so few redeeming qualities. :lol
On Arrival...Cain mostly only uses piano with very little deviation, so it lacks the syth sound that most of the Cain era albums have. But despite having so much piano, I can't really say it compares to the style of the Rolie stuff at all. A couple of songs even have string sections. Most of the album is slower tempo, and there are more ballad-type songs than a typical Jouney album.
Signs of Life and To Be Alive Again probably best exemplify what a lot of the album sounds like, if you care to Spotify/Youtube them.
Signs of Life is misplaced on Arrival, if you ask me. Sounds like it's trying to be 80's material unlike most of the album, so while not bad, I don't see it representing the album. My overall take on Arrival is that it's one of their best albums (Generations is bottom 3 with Revelations and Raised on Radio), probably just missing the top 5. It's too long and drags a little too slow in parts, but I've long listened to a condensed version of the album which I think would lift it to my top tier for the band (with Journey, Infinity, Eclipse).
Higher Place
All the Things
Loved by You
Livin' to Do
World Gone Wild
Live and Breathe
Nothin' Comes Close
To Be Alive Again
Kiss Me Softly
We Will Meet Again
That removes the bleh in All the Way and With Your Love and removes Signs of Life and I Got a Reason, which I think deter from the album's vibe. It also removes Lifetime of Dreams, which I just doesn't flow well in the album, and despite the big guitar solo is still another song slowing the album down. ...as I understand it, Sony had a lot of say on the tracking for the album, i.e. lots of slower songs hoping for a hit. As far as eras of the band, Arrival fits with Trial by Fire better than part of an Auger' era. Arrival was still part of the reunion Sony was playing with, It's the closest album it compares to in their catalog (though blows it away). Trial by Fire needs the same treatment I gave Arrival, only there's less to work with (I Can See it in Your Eyes being put back in really helps, for starters).
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BVD if you are a long time fan of Journey you will greatly enjoy Arrival. It is a very good Journey album. Very good.
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I forgot all about Arrival even existing. One of the few Journey albums I don't own, and have no interest in hearing. Generations was painful for the most part due to Augeri's vocals, so I'm done with that era of the band.
There's really no comparison between Arrival and Generations, in terms of the vocals or the songwriting, or even the production. They are two very different albums, and Arrival is better in every conceivable way.
Yeah true. Generations is dire. Demo quality production at best. Crap songs too.
Still say Raised on Radio is mostly shit.
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Signs of Life is misplaced on Arrival, if you ask me. Sounds like it's trying to be 80's material unlike most of the album, so while not bad, I don't see it representing the album.
I don't know, I can't really agree with that at all, I think Signs of Life fits in perfectly fine on the album. It has the same sound and style as most of the other tracks on Arrival. Different strokes and all I guess.
My overall take on Arrival is that it's one of their best albums (Generations is bottom 3 (with Revelations and Raised on Radio), probably just missing the top 5.
Although I like Revelation and Raised on Radio (that's right :P), I can get on board with this. Arrival is a favourite of mine aswell and I rank Generations pretty much near, or even at, the bottom.
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Steve Perry to rejoin Journey?
Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/is-steve-perry-ready-to-rejoin-journey/
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No. It's just wishful thinking on some political answers. Watch the video, it's a jumbled remark. Schon reached out to Perry recently because he found out Perry had dealt with cancer, he probably just meant they chatted or were trying to chat. Andrew over at Melodicrock (who is well connected with Journey) has insisted there is absolutely no cross discussion about Perry coming back.
The article also states he is prepping an album, which is a far stretch, too. As for the last 15 years, he has talked about working on music but nothing has come, yet. If he wanted an album out, he would have it out.
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Besides, Steve Perry is like that crazy ex girlfriend. Great in the sack but the next day she's smashing your favorite TV because you had to go to work.
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Am I the only person who has no interest in Perry rejoining?
Don't get me wrong, I love those Perry albums, especially the Escape lineup, but long in the past. Can Steve Perry even sing anymore? What's he done in the past 15 years?
Arnel Pineda is a great fit for the band, and the last two albums have been great, and I think he deserves a little more respect than being treated like a placeholder.
I would like him to return to making good music, but not with Journey.
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Even if that is true, Blob (I don't know the last two Journey albums), a reunion tour with Perry would make the band a killing, so if it could be worked out, I am sure they'd have no problem telling the new guy to kindly take a hike. Judas Priest did it with Ripper Owens when Rob Halford was ready to rejoin the band, and I am sure Journey would do the same IF they could work it all out and get along (which would be the dilemma, since Perry sounds like he's got the Dennis DeYoung syndrome :lol).
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I would like him to return to making good music, but not with Journey.
Pretty much this...................get some sort of all star lineup together , some good songs and away you go. He is obviously a massive procrastinator/perfectionist so I won't be holding my breath for anything soon. Apparently he still has a decent voice to work with ..............that would last about 5 minutes on a Journey tour though.
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Even if that is true, Blob (I don't know the last two Journey albums), a reunion tour with Perry would make the band a killing, so if it could be worked out, I am sure they'd have no problem telling the new guy to kindly take a hike. Judas Priest did it with Ripper Owens when Rob Halford was ready to rejoin the band, and I am sure Journey would do the same IF they could work it all out and get along (which would be the dilemma, since Perry sounds like he's got the Dennis DeYoung syndrome :lol).
Oh of course they'd make a shitload of money, no doubt! It's a no brainer why they'd want to do it, but musically I just don't need to see it.
If it was a one-off thing, awesome, but it's sad to see the lack of respect for Arnel Pineda. From interviews, he'd probably be totally ok with Perry rejoining too.
But as I said, I do want Steve Perry to be making music again, because I'm a huge fan of those Journey albums, just not enough for the nostalgia trip.
I would like him to return to making good music, but not with Journey.
Pretty much this...................get some sort of all star lineup together , some good songs and away you go. He is obviously a massive procrastinator/perfectionist so I won't be holding my breath for anything soon. Apparently he still has a decent voice to work with ..............that would last about 5 minutes on a Journey tour though.
If he's been taking care of himself and keeping up with it, there's no reason he shouldn't still have some good pipes, but could it hold up to touring those songs? There aren't many vocalists of his age that could do that consistently.
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That was what I was getting at - there aren't many vocalists of any age that could tour those songs. They buggered up Augeri's voice for an extended period and Perry would be no different at his age.
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Once rock vocalists hit 60, it seem to go downhill quickly, unless you're Mick Jagger, and set the bar extremely low to begin with. But this isn't Mick Jagger, it's Steve friggin' Perry! That's a high standard for any age, let alone 65.
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I'm not really a big fan of Arnel, but the last album was pretty good. I'd would be interesting to see what Perry can come up with, but really, he is all talk. I don't see it happening anyway, and if for some reason it did, the band would have no problem telling Arnel to piss off. Yes, it's a little disrepectful, but Iron Maiden and Judas Priest had no problem doing the same thing. You can't blame them, look at what happened with both reunions.
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Steve Perry would fracture this.
*Waits for Kev to get the pun*
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Perry sounds like he's got the Dennis DeYoung syndrome
get some sort of all star lineup together
A Perry/DeYoung duet! Imagine the diva-drama!! :lol
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I'm not really a big fan of Arnel, but the last album was pretty good.
Same here.
But whatever happens with the band in the future, I don't see Perry rejoining. Yeah, it could happen. But the thing is, by all accounts, he can't sing anymore. At all. You could doctor it up all you like in the studio, but it would be atrocious live.
But then again, Joe Elliott, so... :dunno:
...and if for some reason it did, the band would have no problem telling Arnel to piss off. Yes, it's a little disrepectful, but Iron Maiden and Judas Priest had no problem doing the same thing. You can't blame them, look at what happened with both reunions.
All true, but you left off the most obvious point: Schon and Cain are total mercenaries. They'd do it just for the $$$. :lol
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Steve Perry would fracture this.
*Waits for Kev to get the pun*
I don't get it. ???
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:rollin
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I'm not really a big fan of Arnel, but the last album was pretty good.
Same here.
But whatever happens with the band in the future, I don't see Perry rejoining. Yeah, it could happen. But the thing is, by all accounts, he can't sing anymore. At all. You could doctor it up all you like in the studio, but it would be atrocious live.
But then again, Joe Elliott, so... :dunno:
...and if for some reason it did, the band would have no problem telling Arnel to piss off. Yes, it's a little disrepectful, but Iron Maiden and Judas Priest had no problem doing the same thing. You can't blame them, look at what happened with both reunions.
All true, but you left off the most obvious point: Schon and Cain are total mercenaries. They'd do it just for the $$$. :lol
I used to think the same thing but when I saw the Arnel documentary and found out they made him a full member I was shocked.
They manager even said he gets 1/5 after expenses just like all the other members. I thought that was very gracious of the band.
btw currently spinning Captured - Dixie Highway
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Steve Perry would fracture this.
*Waits for Kev to get the pun*
I don't get it. ???
Damn! I thought you saw Journey Behind The Music. Journey was moving on after Perry backed out of the Trial By Fire tour and in late 98 the got Augeri and in that show Steve complained about another singer by stating "Don't Fracture this thing " meaning Journey's legacy.
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Ah, thats right. I have seen that BTM, but I had forgotten about him saying that. :facepalm:
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Schon is set to release a new solo album in a few weeks, called SO U. He teamed up with Castronovo and Mendoza again, forming what he has described as a 70['s power trio. Jack Blades might as well be an honorary member of the group, he cowrote most of the songs, apparently. No real lead singer, the three of them share the duties, and the first single really shows it as Schon and Mendoza switch back and forth with the lead vocals.
I really like what's going on with his first single, What You Want: https://youtu.be/OBwFb3aYXnw
Also has a preview up of the instrumental track that is more typical of Schon: https://youtu.be/x-vf8QmI5Z0
Though... :lol at the video. It certainly does capture that 70's vibe Schon has alluded to. :lol
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I'm not the least bit excited about that, but I'll check it out when the whole thing can be streamed. I don't see it being my kind of thing at all from what I have heard so far, though.
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It's been discussed a little bit on the melodic rock thread, and I'm excited for this album. Exactly the style I was hoping for, and one of my more anticipated albums so far this year.
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I just found out that Steve Perry got up on stage with some band and performed a few songs, including Open Arms, and Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'. Here's a vid-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86vD3nsua_s
They played the songs WAY lower in key, and his voice was still breaking up on the higher notes (which weren't high at all), but in the lower range, his voice still sounds very nice, and he still has stage presence.
I think he should definitely be recording and touring some new music, but after seeing this I'm even more sure than before that he should never be in Journey again. He couldn't pull it off.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/ex-journey-frontman-steve-perry-on-his-return-to-live-stage-i-had-forgotten-how-much-id-missed-it/
Give it time.
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Nice article. I liked Perry's comments all around. But no matter how many times both sides put down the baseless rumours, people will still talk about it. That kind of thing never stops.
If he hasn't sung much in the past 20 years, he might get some of that range back by performing more regularly. It would be a shame for him not to record any more music. What was his last good album? I don't follow his solo stuff etc outside of Journey.
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For The Love Of Strange Medicine is worth getting Blob.
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Hm it's from 1994. It doesn't sound too '90s does it? That's getting into dangerous territory for my musical tastes. :lol
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For The Love Of Strange Medicine is a classic for me and has some of Perry's best recorded performances. No skips front to
back, every song is stellar.
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Hm it's from 1994. It doesn't sound too '90s does it? That's getting into dangerous territory for my musical tastes. :lol
Nah............you'll be right. Think along the lines of the Shortino Back On Track album. His voice was getting a tiny bit scratchy relative to his peak but still very strong.
Try this......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TaSuWUdKCU
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Hm it's from 1994. It doesn't sound too '90s does it? That's getting into dangerous territory for my musical tastes. :lol
Nah............you'll be right. Think along the lines of the Shortino Back On Track album. His voice was getting a tiny bit scratchy relative to his peak but still very strong.
Try this......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TaSuWUdKCU
Oh yeah, it sounds like it's in '90s denial. I'll check it out. Is there anything a bit heavier on the album, or is this indicative of what to expect for the rest?
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I'd say that's toward the heavier end of things but to be fair that chorus is heavier than a lot of Journey and certainly his debut solo album with Oh Sherrie etc..... if you're a fan of his voice I'd recommend it.
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I just started listening to the album now. I'll report back with my thoughts. I'm sure it can't be worse than Raised on Radio and Trial By Fire.
The production isn't great, but I like the sound of his voice on it. It's a little grittier and huskier at points, in a good way.
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You Better Wait Blob. ;)
Cool Album. I saw him on that tour.
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For The Love Of Strange Medicine is worth getting Blob.
Didn't do much for me but I hated RoR. It was never going to rock, that's not what Perry is about, but it was too soft for me.
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Always like For the Love of Strange Medicine. Never once reminded me of Journey though. Excellent album.
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For The Love of Strange Medicine is a great album. Some of Steve's best vocal work, in my opinion. As others have stated, though, don't go into it expecting Journey style songwriting.
As for his return to the stage with The Eels, I'm not surprised at all by his diminished range, but he's still got the unmistakable, soulful tone, and can still deliver a song.
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Such a weird pairing to jump onstage with The Eels. The Eels are so eclectic. I do like their stuff it's just a difference in style from Journey.
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I'm a fan of Eels, so I'll use this opportunity to say that I liked Steve's performance of an Eels classic It's a motherfucker quite a bit.
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Schon has a new double album, Vortex, coming out featuring Steve Smith, his long time solo collaborator on keyboard Igor Len, and Jan Hammer.
He has two tracks out, El Matador and Tortured Souls. El Matador appears to be one of those release as a single just because it is reasonable length, solid but maybe not representative of the album. Tortured Souls, though, emphasizes much of what Schon does so well, meandering and passionate,great track.
El Matador: https://m.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6546329/neal-schon-el-matador-track-the-vortex-album-exclusive-premiere
Tortured Souls: https://www.unlock.fm/3du
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Entire Vortex album is up for streaming: https://www.teamrock.com/news/2015-06-15/neal-schon-solo-album-vortex-in-full
Getting close to finishing my first listen, and this is easily superior to his last instrumental album, The Calling. Not going to judge it, yet, but I could see this proving to be up with his best solo efforts. Absorbing music.
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Omar Hakim will be Journey's drummer for the next two months. Would be happy to see this become a permanent move, honestly (...and Rolie replacing Cain, please). Not expecting it, though.
https://www.facebook.com/journey
This is happening because Castronovo was charged with domestic abuse for the second time. With as much attention as that gets recently you have to wonder if he's done with the band no matter the circumstances.
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Omar is a killer drummer. Killer!!!
Saw him with Sting and wow, just wow.
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Omar is a killer drummer. Killer!!!
Saw him with Sting and wow, just wow.
Saw him with Sting also (and later Vinnie Colaiuta with Sting, also killer drummer) and Omar Hakin is really, really good, but I don't know if he fits in Journey.
And regarding Schon's solo albums, I listened to some snippets from the new one. They sounded nice but didn't really convince me. I always think that Schon is better in a band situation where he isn't the sole leader.
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This is the second time they've hired Omar Hakim, you'd assume something must work with him and Journey, if nothing else between he and Schon. Apparently he'd been hired for the Raised on Radio tour but fell victim to the Perry vs Schon thing. By my book, that's a great sign for him. Oversimplification, but Perry/Cain push the pop/r&b vibe while Schon/Rolie push the rock/fusion vibe.
And regarding Schon's solo albums, I listened to some snippets from the new one. They sounded nice but didn't really convince me. I always think that Schon is better in a band situation where he isn't the sole leader.
Disagree here. I tend to prefer Schon being given a lot of freedom. His two best solo albums thus far are probably Electric World and I on U, both of which are somewhat free form guitar formed around basic building blocks (listen to his Timeless Motion). At his best he gets this great striding, emotional feeling into the music. My wife describes it as great music for long drives, which is pretty apt.
I feel as though Vortex is likely one of 'those' albums for Schon.
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Omar is a killer drummer. Killer!!!
Saw him with Sting and wow, just wow.
Saw him with Sting also (and later Vinnie Colaiuta with Sting, also killer drummer) and Omar Hakin is really, really good, but I don't know if he fits in Journey.
And regarding Schon's solo albums, I listened to some snippets from the new one. They sounded nice but didn't really convince me. I always think that Schon is better in a band situation where he isn't the sole leader.
Yes, I saw the Ten Summoner's Tales Tour as well. Vinnie is even better.
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Omar Hakim will be Journey's drummer for the next two months. Would be happy to see this become a permanent move, honestly (...and Rolie replacing Cain, please). Not expecting it, though.
NO.
I hope they get Castronovo back. Not only a killer drummer, but an incredible voice.
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He's also been pretty pedestrian in Journey. although Eclipse was better for him. He provides a strong vocal support for the band, but he feels restrained in drumming. Smith, and to a lesser extent Dunbar on Infinity, were better at creating simpler but interesting drumming.
His value has been live in Journey, not in the studio. Soul Sirkus: World Play is a great example of how Castronovo can get bored and bog an album down. They replaced all of his drums with Donati and rereleased the album, what a world of a difference it made for the better!
Talented guy, no question, I won't deny that. I just don't think Journey has been a career highlight for him.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/06/30/journey-drummer-deen-castronovo-in-jail-for-rape/
Journey drummer Deen Castronovo is now being held without bail in the Marion County Correctional Facility in Oregon for charges that include rape.
The 50-year-old drummer was first arrested on domestic violence charges on June 14, and he was released on bail, but now more charges have been added, and according to the Marion County’s inmate roster he is back behind bars.
Castronovo is accused of assault, unlawful use of a weapon, rape, sexual abuse and coercion, among other things. He has been barred from having contact with the woman he allegedly assaulted.
Looking an awful lot worse than it originally seemed.
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That's too bad.
Maybe Mike Portnoy will be available.
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That's too bad.
Maybe Mike Portnoy will be available.
:clap:
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Omar Hakim will be Journey's drummer for the next two months. Would be happy to see this become a permanent move, honestly (...and Rolie replacing Cain, please). Not expecting it, though.
NO.
I hope they get Castronovo back. Not only a killer drummer, but an incredible voice.
This "no" is nowhere near big enough. Deen's vocal spots were the highlight of the night for me when I saw them back in 2009.
To have this element of the band removed would be a huge blow, in my opinion.
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Deen's being indicted for rape (the charges were upgraded). I think it's a safe bet that his days in Journey are over, regardless of whether or not he's guilty.
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Reportedly, he was high on Meth when this altercation took place. Too bad. I'd assume that his time in Journey may indeed be coming to an end. Talented dude, too. That Revolution Saints album he did is pretty good.
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His vocal performance of "Mother, Father" on the Live In Manila DVD wowed me. I bought it to see what a show with Arnel was like and Deen wound up being a highlight.
So this is a pretty big downer.
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His vocal performance of "Mother, Father" on the Live In Manila DVD wowed me. I bought it to see what a show with Arnel was like and Deen wound up being a highlight.
So this is a pretty big downer.
I actually got to see the band at a show in Honolulu around the same time-frame that they played in Manila (Spring 2009) and got to see a pretty similar set-list to the one on the Manila DVD. Deen killed it live.
If this is true, it's a crying shame that he's done this.
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His vocal performance of "Mother, Father" on the Live In Manila DVD wowed me. I bought it to see what a show with Arnel was like and Deen wound up being a highlight.
So this is a pretty big downer.
I still watch Live in Manila all the time, and have always loved his vocals there. When I saw then live a few years ago, they did the same songs from Escape with Deen on vocals. I also love how they do Just the Same Way live with Deen doing Perry's parts.
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Some fans wanted Deen to become the new lead singer when Augeri was flaming out. He's an excellent singer and his Mother, Father is also a highlight for me on recent dvds. My complaints are on his drumming, especially in the studio with Journey. All sort of moot, he's in a world of trouble, and Journey has been dealing with his drug addiction for a long time. From a decade ago, I remember a story that was something like his bandmates meeting him at the conclusion of a rehab stint with a song for him.
Anyways, Schon's Voretx is amazing. Diverse but still has a great flow to both discs without letting up. Still not sure if I think this of I on U is better, but but both are top notch guitar albums.
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Rumors are going around that Deen has recently been officially fired, as expected.
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Rumors are going around that Deen has recently been officially fired, as expected.
You can't really blame the band for making this decision.
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Rumors are going around that Deen has recently been officially fired, as expected.
You can't really blame the band for making this decision.
That would be expected for sure
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From what I hear the fill in on tour has been kicking ass ,so it may be an easy decision for a replacement. The biggest issue may be the inability to replace his backing vocals.
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From what I hear the fill in on tour has been kicking ass ,so it may be an easy decision for a replacement. The biggest issue may be the inability to replace his backing vocals.
Deen's vocals were amazing. For backing vocals they could always use backing tracks (which they may already use to some degree, I don't know), and for the songs he sings lead, they'll either have to swap out tracks, or have Arnel sing them, although I figure those spots were used as rests for him.
It doesn't surprise me if it's official now. Once they got a replacement drummer, I already assumed it was for good given the allegations against Castronovo. I haven't checked out any clips with the new guy yet.
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They were probably always going to do it, they just might have wanted to make sure the replacement was a good fit and he is good to just stay on.
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If Omar Hakim does take the job that's fantastic, but I don't think the tour he played on was a test. They needed a replacement, immediately, and Schon got a friend of his to adjust his schedule and do it. Hakim is a fantastic musician, I don't think they would hesitate to hire him if he wanted the job and Steve Smith did not want to return. They apparently called Smith first (no surprise, active with Schon on solo projects, etc.), and there was a hint he might do some concerts with them once his own dates are over.
They have been planning a 'family' tour with Santana, and it sounds like they might get out early Journey as an opening act. I could see Hakim or Smith being interested in that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they also just took Michael Shrieve as a fill in.
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So I want to get some Journey songs with the iconic Schon's solos (and some with Perry's great melodies). Any more I can get? I personally don't like Lovin, Touchin, Squeezing...
Faithfully
Separate Ways
Open Arms
Send Her My love
Who's crying now
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Not sure what you're looking for, almost all Journey songs feature a Schon solo. Try some of these...
Line of Fire
Of a Lifetime
Stone in Love
World Gone Wild
Chain of Love
Feeling That Way/Anytime
Mother, Father
You're on Your Own
Walking Away from the Edge
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So I want to get some Journey songs with the iconic Schon's solos (and some with Perry's great melodies). Any more I can get? I personally don't like Lovin, Touchin, Squeezing...
Faithfully
Separate Ways
Open Arms
Send Her My love
Who's crying now
This is simple: get "Escape". Listen. Done.
If that doesn't work, there's a great compilation called "Essential..." that is, well, essential.
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So I want to get some Journey songs with the iconic Schon's solos (and some with Perry's great melodies). Any more I can get? I personally don't like Lovin, Touchin, Squeezing...
Faithfully
Separate Ways
Open Arms
Send Her My love
Who's crying now
This is simple: get "Escape". Listen. Done.
If that doesn't work, there's a great compilation called "Essential..." that is, well, essential.
I was always more partial to Frontiers myself. But either works just fine.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give both a try.
I was (am) looking for the songs that have very emotional Schon's solos...the ones that make you :o :eek on the emotion side of things...not the technical soloing. I'll post an example once I leave work.
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Walking Away from the Edge
When the Love Has Gone
Livin' to Do
Trial by Fire
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Edge of the Blade. Oh yeah!
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An example would be the outro solo from Faithfully or the solo from Separate Ways...They are very melodical and full of feeling. The one from Who's Crying Now also gives me the chills.
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When it comes to emotional Schon solos, the ones that came to mind were:
Stone in Love
Send Her My Love
Who's Crying Now
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So I went ahead and streamed Essential Journey and this are some of the songs that I really loved
-Only the young
-Don't stop believing
-Message of Love
-Faithfully
-Anyway you want it
-Ask the lonely
-Who's crying now
-Separate ways
-Eyes of a woman
-Bee good to yourself
-Open arms
-Still they ride
-Mother, father
-Send her my love
-When you love a woman
-party's over
Any other song I might be missing with Schon's great emotional soloing?
Stone in love did not quite catch me as far as the solo though.
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Am I really the first one to mention Winds of March?
IMO, it's Journey's all-time finest achievement. Infinity is where it's at. I'm just as positive on everyone else on the entire Infinity-Frontiers run...but for me, Infinity was the peak, and Gregg Rolie > Jonathan Cain.
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Winds of March is excellent, and Infinity is one of what I think of as their three greatest albums (Journey and Eclipse the others). I'm definitely much more inclined towards Rolie Journey vs Cain Journey, too. I'd rank their combos with lead singers like...
1. Rolie (Rolie)
2. Rolie (Perry)
3. Cain (Augeri)
4. Cain (Pineda)
5. Cain (Perry)
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I get the love for the Rolie-era from a pure "player" aspect, but the Perry-Cain era is just sublime for finely crafted, well-played, well-sung pop-rock music.
I don't know that it is my favorite song or anything, but Stone In Love is just a master-class on songwriting craft.
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Infinity is definitely one of Journey's best albums up there with anything else, but Winds of March is the first of the weaker tracks on the album imo.
And while I love the Rolie stuff, I'll take Cain any day over Rolie. The keys were much more memorable on Escape/Frontiers.
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I don't know that it is my favorite song or anything, but Stone In Love is just a master-class on songwriting craft.
Possibly the greatest arena/pop/rock song ever created.
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Am I really the first one to mention Winds of March?
IMO, it's Journey's all-time finest achievement. Infinity is where it's at. I'm just as positive on everyone else on the entire Infinity-Frontiers run...but for me, Infinity was the peak, and Gregg Rolie > Jonathan Cain.
To be fair, man, I've been sick in bed with the flu all week long. My head's so out of it these days that I forget about the greatness that is Infinity. Definitely an underrated masterwork from the band, though I'm not sure it's definitely the band's best.
Winds of March though... oh man. :hefdaddy
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Former Journey members Smith and Jackson are rehearsing Vortex material with Schon. Don't know what it's for, but Schon's son is announced for a benefit concert this weekend, Concert for Courage.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQvU0DzUAAA_bu9.jpg)
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No prison for Castronovo, but there was no way Journey could have kept him even if they wanted. 4 years probation, including not leaving Oregon. No drugs, alcohol, or apparently romantic relationships during that period. Any slip up has him looking at over 5 years prison time.
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No prison for Castronovo, but there was no way Journey could have kept him even if they wanted. 4 years probation, including not leaving Oregon. No drugs, alcohol, or apparently romantic relationships during that period. Any slip up has him looking at over 5 years prison time.
They can control that?!
He should probably consider himself lucky given the serious nature of the charges, but obviously it does rule out being in Journey, or probably any other band. It sucks for him, but it's not undeserved.
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I thought the charges against him were very serious so I'm surprised that he got out of prison, the more so as it is not the first time he's accused of domestic violence.
While on probation, Castronovo cannot enter into a romantic relationship without permission from his probation officer, use controlled substances or alcohol, contact the victim, leave Oregon or enter into any bars unless for employment purposes, among other things.
For me that sounds like he could leave Oregon if it's for employment purposes so he could theoretically tour with Journey, but I doubt that he will be back anytime soon.
And as serious as this is, this "cannot enter into a romantic relationship without permission from his probation officer" had me laughing. Is he really supposed to go to his probation officer and ask for permission to take girls out on a date or to get laid?
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Better than prison, and while it may be silly it might only be a means to steering him away from relationships that could cause a relapse. He plead guilty, I'm assuming he knew what he would get.
You're right that it is ambiguous, but even if he could get permission for work, it would likely be a hassle for the band. Not to mention the liability he brings by a relapse.
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If he can tour, I doubt any band would want to take the risk, or want be associated with it.
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And as serious as this is, this "cannot enter into a romantic relationship without permission from his probation officer" had me laughing. Is he really supposed to go to his probation officer and ask for permission to take girls out on a date or to get laid?
Many of us, in the heat of the moment, have to lean over and grab a condom. He has to lean over and make a call for permission.
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Way to ruin the mood, even less fun than wearing a condom.
I wonder on what basis the probation officer can say no.
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
:clap:
SO anyways....
Here's a link to my dad's journey tribute band singing "I'll Be Alright Without You" :biggrin:
This was a soundcheck, so they aren't dressed in their gig clothes and no one is in the audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6VEqneHK4
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
Not that someone get's me wrong, I'm not trying to defend him, and as I said, I'm surprised that he doesn't have to go to jail.
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Well, given his history, making it through probation could be very challenging for him. Yes, though, he seems to have come out of it easy, if he can stay clean for that long. He's been dealing with addictions and rehab stints for most or all of his Journey tenure.
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
:clap:
SO anyways....
Here's a link to my dad's journey tribute band singing "I'll Be Alright Without You" :biggrin:
This was a soundcheck, so they aren't dressed in their gig clothes and no one is in the audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6VEqneHK4
It was excellent, don't get me wrong, but there is something inherently funny about a short, heavy set guy with a Packers shirt, bad beanie, and janitor keys wailing out Steve Perry like it's an every day thing. :)
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
:clap:
SO anyways....
Here's a link to my dad's journey tribute band singing "I'll Be Alright Without You" :biggrin:
This was a soundcheck, so they aren't dressed in their gig clothes and no one is in the audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6VEqneHK4
It was excellent, don't get me wrong, but there is something inherently funny about a short, heavy set guy with a Packers shirt, bad beanie, and janitor keys wailing out Steve Perry like it's an every day thing. :)
Yes... believe me we talk about the way he dresses, he doesn't care, and that's what makes my dad my dad. (In his defense, that was at the Riverside Ballroom in Green Bay, the 2nd to last place Buddy Holly played before the plane crash... so it's an OLD building, meaning it was probably very cold in there).
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^^^ And I hope you know, I'm not mocking your dad at all. It's just incongruent, and funny in a cute way. Perry used to have the long hair and the stupid (I thought, anyway) tuxedo jacket with tails, and to hear those cheesy ballads looked "right". Your dad can sing like a mofo, it was just jarring compared to the way I've usually heard those songs. (And no, your dad should NOT get the tuxedo jacket with tails; no one should).
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Yeah he should. And wear it OVER the Packers shirt.
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
:clap:
SO anyways....
Here's a link to my dad's journey tribute band singing "I'll Be Alright Without You" :biggrin:
This was a soundcheck, so they aren't dressed in their gig clothes and no one is in the audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6VEqneHK4
I believe these guys played downtown Wausau a couple of years ago.
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
:clap:
SO anyways....
Here's a link to my dad's journey tribute band singing "I'll Be Alright Without You" :biggrin:
This was a soundcheck, so they aren't dressed in their gig clothes and no one is in the audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6VEqneHK4
You're dads got a great voice. Great job.
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^^^ And I hope you know, I'm not mocking your dad at all. It's just incongruent, and funny in a cute way. Perry used to have the long hair and the stupid (I thought, anyway) tuxedo jacket with tails, and to hear those cheesy ballads looked "right". Your dad can sing like a mofo, it was just jarring compared to the way I've usually heard those songs. (And no, your dad should NOT get the tuxedo jacket with tails; no one should).
(https://www.separatewayslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Paul-Lent.jpg)
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Well, I guess if he doesn't want to have to follow absurd rules like that, he should stop hitting women.
:clap:
SO anyways....
Here's a link to my dad's journey tribute band singing "I'll Be Alright Without You" :biggrin:
This was a soundcheck, so they aren't dressed in their gig clothes and no one is in the audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g6VEqneHK4
I believe these guys played downtown Wausau a couple of years ago.
Very likely. They play all over the state; they make it to Iowa and down here il the Chi area once in a while (although here there's one called Infinity who've pretty much established themselves as the area's Journey band, and who in my completely biased opinion are extremely inferior, which sucks because I want to see my dad :lol; usually they have to playl Kenosha for me to be close enough to go see them)
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^^^ And I hope you know, I'm not mocking your dad at all. It's just incongruent, and funny in a cute way. Perry used to have the long hair and the stupid (I thought, anyway) tuxedo jacket with tails, and to hear those cheesy ballads looked "right". Your dad can sing like a mofo, it was just jarring compared to the way I've usually heard those songs. (And no, your dad should NOT get the tuxedo jacket with tails; no one should).
(https://www.separatewayslive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Paul-Lent.jpg)
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Oh, Splent, you're not making it easy...
:) I kid; like I said, the guy can sing, no questions asked.
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For what it's worth, Omar did another gig with Journey a couple days ago. I really hope he's the new drummer, though I'm not holding my breathe. Schon is touring Japan with Vortex, then they will be doing a joint Santana/Journey tour that could be very interesting. For those not paying attention, the Santana Band reunited (which includes Schon and Rolie) and recorded in the last year. Plans were being talked about as a history tour, which could provide a lot of obscure stuff and shuffle lineups.
Depending on how that's organized, it might be something that keeps Omar interested awhile longer. I can't see him staying in a greatest hits only band like Jon seems to want. They will have to stay creative to hold someone like Omar.
That might be part of why I hope he joins, it likely signals they want to stay creative.
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Steve Smith is returning to Journey for a two year stint.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MelodicRock/status/667234100634251264
Andrew McNeice – @MelodicRock
I know it's vital information. So stay tuned for the announcement of who will occupy the drummer's stool for Journey for the next 2 years.
10:53 PM - 18 Nov 2015
Vital Information is Smith's band.
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No kidding. Very cool.
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Nice! Love his style.
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Cool news.
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Nice, but if they just tour the states it's meaningless for me. Make new music.
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Here's the official (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-welcomes-back-drummer-steve-smith-announces-tour-with-the-doobie-brothers/) announcement, plus a huge summer tour with the Doobie Brothers here in the states next year.
Tour dates:
May 12 - Irvine, CA - Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre
May 14 - Phoenix, AZ - Ak-Chin Pavilion
May 15 - Albuquerque, NM - Isleta Amphitheater
May 18 - Austin, TX - Austin360 Amphitheater
May 20 - Dallas, TX - Gexa Energy Pavilion
May 21 - Woodlands, TX - The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion presented by Huntsman
May 23 - Wichita, KS - INTRUST Bank Arena
May 25 - Memphis, TN - FedEx Forum
May 27 - Indianapolis, IN - Indianapolis Motor Speedway
May 28 - Kansas City, KS - Sprint Center
May 31 - Rogers, AR - Walmart AMP
Jun. 02 - Birmingham, AL - Oak Mountain Amphitheatre
Jun. 04 - Charlotte, NC - PNC Music Pavilion
Jun. 05 - Raleigh, NC - Walnut Creek Amphitheatre
Jun. 08 - Atlanta, GA - Aaron's Amphitheatre at Lakewood
Jun. 10 - Tampa, FL - MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amp.
Jun. 11 - W. Palm Beach, FL - Perfect Vodka Amphitheatre
Jun. 22 - Bangor, ME - Darling's Waterfront Pavilion
Jun. 24 - Bethel, NY - Bethel Woods Center for the Arts
Jun. 25 - Holmdel, NJ - PNC Banks Art Center
Jun. 27 - Wantagh, NY - Nikon at Jones Beach Theater
Jun. 29 - Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Blossom Music Center
Jul. 01 - Virginia Beach, VA - Farm Bureau Live at Virginia Beach
Jul. 02 - Bristow, VA - Jiffy Lube Live
Jul. 05 - Saratoga Springs, NY - Saratoga Performing Arts Center
Jul. 07 - Toronto, ON - Molson Canadian Amphitheatre
Jul. 09 - Darien, NY - Darien Lake Performing Arts Center
Jul. 10 - Mansfield, MA - Xfinity Center
Jul. 13 - Syracuse, NY - Lakeview Amphitheater
Jul. 15 - Camden, NJ - BB&T Pavilion
Jul. 16 - Burgettstown, PA - First Niagara Pavilion
Jul. 27 - Nashville, TN - Ascend Amphitheater
Jul. 29 - Cincinnati, OH - Riverbend Music Center
Jul. 30 - Maryland Heights, MO - Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre
Aug. 02 - Grand Rapids, MI - Van Andel Arena
Aug. 04 - Clarkston, MI - DTE Energy Music Theatre
Aug. 06 - Omaha, NE - CenturyLink Center
Aug. 07 - Des Moines, IA - Wells Fargo Arena
Aug. 09 - St. Paul, MN - Xcel Energy Center
Aug. 11 - Sioux Falls, SD - Denny Sanford PREMIER Center
Aug. 13 - Tinley Park, IL - Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre
Aug. 16 - Oklahoma City, OK - Chesapeake Energy Arena
Aug. 17 - Little Rock, AR - Verizon Arena
Aug. 20 - Denver, CO - Pepsi Center
Aug. 21 - West Valley City, UT - USANA Amphitheatre
Aug. 23 - Auburn, WA - White River Amphitheatre
Aug. 25 - Ridgefield, WA - Sunlight Supply Amphitheater
Aug. 27 - Las Vegas, NV - Mandalay Bay Events Center
Aug. 28 - Fresno, CA - Save Mart Center
Aug. 30 - Chula Vista, CA - Sleep Train Amphitheatre
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I'm not fond of Pineda at all. But I like the Doobies.
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Steve is back? Wow. I'll be at the DTE show in Michigan.
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Steve Perry has confirmed that he has been recording a solo album that will be finished in the first few months of 2016.
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Steve Perry has confirmed that he has been recording a solo album that will be finished in the first few months of 2016.
Cool. Been waiting for more progress on that front. Hopefully it's not too soft, but I expect it will be.
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As much as I liked him in Journey I don't expect much from this. It will be full of ballads and Perry's voice isn't what it used to be.
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As much as I liked him in Journey I don't expect much from this. It will be full of ballads and Perry's voice isn't what it used to be.
I think a lot of it is just lack of doing anything for 20 years, because while he doesn't have the range, he's still got a great tone. I don't know if it will be suited to the rockier type of music, but I think he'll sound great in the studio on something suited to him.
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He probably still can sing and sound good especially in the studio but I think what made him special is (at least partly) gone. And I want him rocking not crooning cheesy ballads, but I don't see him doing it.
And if he is doing ballads I want Faithfully part 2 ;D
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He could probably get back a decent range if he got serious about it, after all he hasn't shot his voice with constant touring the past 20 years.
I also want to hear him rock, and not croon out ballads, but I'll be curious to hear it regardless.
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I don't know; I'm a big fan of hearing where artists are in their life and what progress they've made in following their muse (U2 and Maiden are good examples here, as are Metallica) but there are a precious few that I think were more of a moment in time than a transcendental experience, and Journey with Steve Perry was, I think for me, one of them. I go back and listen to some of those songs - Mother, Father; Only the Young; Ask The Lonely; Still They Ride; Stone In Love - and they are of the time, and more importantly, of the people who made it. Not dated, but they capture something that isn't quite the same as, say, Neil Young's or Bruce Springsteen's art of personal discovery.
I would listen to hear what he's up to, but I would be very surprised if it was an album that captured what I really dug into with Jounrey. Not "speculating on music I haven't heard", because I would give it a fair shake, and I might even like it for what it is, but just noting that for me, the chemistry was in the Cain/Schon/Perry interaction, and without Cain and Schon, that can't happen.
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Any idea on who he is going to collaborate/write with? I know he's mentioned a lot of current artists as influencing him, so it will be fun to see where he takes this. Good to see him back, those shows with the Eels were awesome to see.
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I don't know; I'm a big fan of hearing where artists are in their life and what progress they've made in following their muse (U2 and Maiden are good examples here, as are Metallica) but there are a precious few that I think were more of a moment in time than a transcendental experience, and Journey with Steve Perry was, I think for me, one of them. I go back and listen to some of those songs - Mother, Father; Only the Young; Ask The Lonely; Still They Ride; Stone In Love - and they are of the time, and more importantly, of the people who made it. Not dated, but they capture something that isn't quite the same as, say, Neil Young's or Bruce Springsteen's art of personal discovery.
I would listen to hear what he's up to, but I would be very surprised if it was an album that captured what I really dug into with Jounrey. Not "speculating on music I haven't heard", because I would give it a fair shake, and I might even like it for what it is, but just noting that for me, the chemistry was in the Cain/Schon/Perry interaction, and without Cain and Schon, that can't happen.
I'm not expecting the same chemistry, nor do I want him to attempt to emulate that chemistry, I'm just hoping we can get some great music with great vocals. I'm not expecting another Escape/Infinity/Frontiers etc. I think it's just a shame for one of the all time great rock voices to go to waste, even if it's not what it was in the '70s and '80s.
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Well Steve did do it to himself.
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He's got more than enough cred with me that I will check this out as soon as it's available, but I don't have high expectations.
Has he done anything since Trial By Fire?
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He's got more than enough cred with me that I will check this out as soon as it's available, but I don't have high expectations.
Has he done anything since Trial By Fire?
I can't think of anything much. He did I Stand Alone for some animated movie soundtrack in the late 90's..........I have a cool track here somewhere called Let Him Go but that was probably from the FTLOSM sessions. I also seem to recall that he got together with Nuno Bettencourt around 97-98 and recorded a song or two but they never saw the light of day even as boots. He always said he wanted to work with Nuno again , so hopefully he has. Weird pairing but I would like to hear the result.
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He did I Stand Alone for some animated movie soundtrack in the late 90's
I didn't know about that one. I just listened to it...doesn't seem like I was missing much. :lol
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I don't know; I'm a big fan of hearing where artists are in their life and what progress they've made in following their muse (U2 and Maiden are good examples here, as are Metallica) but there are a precious few that I think were more of a moment in time than a transcendental experience, and Journey with Steve Perry was, I think for me, one of them. I go back and listen to some of those songs - Mother, Father; Only the Young; Ask The Lonely; Still They Ride; Stone In Love - and they are of the time, and more importantly, of the people who made it. Not dated, but they capture something that isn't quite the same as, say, Neil Young's or Bruce Springsteen's art of personal discovery.
I would listen to hear what he's up to, but I would be very surprised if it was an album that captured what I really dug into with Jounrey. Not "speculating on music I haven't heard", because I would give it a fair shake, and I might even like it for what it is, but just noting that for me, the chemistry was in the Cain/Schon/Perry interaction, and without Cain and Schon, that can't happen.
I completely agree.
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I don't know; I'm a big fan of hearing where artists are in their life and what progress they've made in following their muse (U2 and Maiden are good examples here, as are Metallica) but there are a precious few that I think were more of a moment in time than a transcendental experience, and Journey with Steve Perry was, I think for me, one of them. I go back and listen to some of those songs - Mother, Father; Only the Young; Ask The Lonely; Still They Ride; Stone In Love - and they are of the time, and more importantly, of the people who made it. Not dated, but they capture something that isn't quite the same as, say, Neil Young's or Bruce Springsteen's art of personal discovery.
I would listen to hear what he's up to, but I would be very surprised if it was an album that captured what I really dug into with Jounrey. Not "speculating on music I haven't heard", because I would give it a fair shake, and I might even like it for what it is, but just noting that for me, the chemistry was in the Cain/Schon/Perry interaction, and without Cain and Schon, that can't happen.
I feel you.
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I feel you.
:zydarscouch:
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Hey baby
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I knew all those times singing Don't Stop Believin' would eventually pay off.
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Steve Perry has confirmed that he has been recording a solo album that will be finished in the first few months of 2016.
Believe it when I see it.
I think his last album (25 years ago) took years recording. He also abandoned a project back then with Nuno that already had songs recorded.
This might be further along, but until he says something is wrapped up I'm not expecting much.
As was already said, I also think whatever he might want to release these days won't interest many fans.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatorN4P9aA&ob=av2el
I realized that, upon a review of my analysis of Separate Ways, I had indeed overlooked some things. I'm sure if I keep watching, I'll find more, but here's the list with the new analysis:
Steve Perry = Young Demi Moore
0:35, 0:49 - no instruments
0:52 - Jon Cain bear-pawing his air keyboard
1:07 - awkward zoom-in
1:25 - keyboard on the wall
1:37 - Brigitte Nielsen chick becomes Jon Cain, which probably says more about him than it does her
1:43 - In today’s episode of “Keyboard Egomaniacs”, Jon Cain demonstrates arpeggios with a flourish
1:52 - Woman, you have PISSED Steve Perry off
2:00 - Ivan Drago “I must break you” look
2:11 - slow-mo marching band "ABOUT FACE!" move
2:16 - advertisement for Steve Perry's dentist
2:18 - why are they in a dockyard full of shipping skids?
2:29-2:36 - sequences like this are what make 80's videos so excellent
2:41 - Christ you guys are a bunch of losers, I’m out.
2:44 - 2nd from left: Ross Valory = Jeff Foxworthy
2:47 - There’s a reason my contract demanded valium and Jack Daniels
2:56 - Oops! Almost lost my balance!
3:02 - 55-gallon drumset
3:06 - HURRR-STOMPA-STOMPA *follows camera*
3:11 - Pulls out just in time to avoid inevitable Jon Cain collision
3:12 - Jon Cain's patented "Camera Bitch-Slap"
3:17 - Check out how awesome I am. I may have tried to kick Santana out of the band, but at least the afro's gone!
3:22 - guitar face
3:27 - weird slow-mo
3:49 - more wall keyboard
4:01 - Brigitte Nielsen chick approaches: "You guys are still at this??"
4:06 - This is what daddy issues and coke habits look like
4:22 - Whew! It was all just a nightmare!
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I don't know what made me think of this today, but everyone in the band looks like my dad's friends when I was a kid.
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I know it's an easy target, but even in a sea of easy targets, that's embarrassing.
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Saw them on 7/2 with the Doobie Brothers and they sounded fantastic. They're tuning down a bit, because even AP can't sustain those kinda songs in standard tuning for very long.
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So I've known about Journey for years. Of all their singles, I've always loved Separate Ways. Speaking of, after watching that video just now, I'm disappointed to find out after all these years the memory of it is wrong. I remember all of them shaking their fists at the camera during the chorus, and I always used to joke about it, but that's not in the video at all!
Anyway, recently I was watching some video on youtube I don't remember, and there was a comment thread about replacement singers sounding like the old one, and someone mentioned Deen Castronovo being better at sounding like Steve Perry, and recommended the live version of Faithfully with him singing and drumming. This sparked a sudden interest in checking out some Journey albums. After listening to Frontiers for a week, I finally bought it. It's a great album. I was a little ehhhhh about Chain Reaction at first because I've never heard Journey sound like that, but I quickly warmed up to it. Back Talk is slowly getting there.
The next album I check out will be Eclipse, and I'll probably get the essential compilation.
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Chain Reaction I love, but Back Talk still annoys the crap out of me, and I enjoy most of the rest of the album. Good choice. :tup
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Frontiers was fantastic. Zook, if you are going through somewhat of a Journey phase, I highly recommend their 2001 DVD: https://www.amazon.com/Journey-2001/dp/B00005U11Z/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492176040&sr=8-1&keywords=journey+2001
I was skeptical about Journey with anyone but Perry. Then I saw them on the tour after this DVD and was blown away. To me, Steve Augeri struck a very good balance of being very faithful to Perry's signature parts (and often sounding eerily similar to him) while still injecting just enough of his own style to sound authentic. This DVD performance captures them performing at a VERY high level, and with a great set list and a great performance. I recommend checking it out.
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That Augeri DVD is cool.
Frontiers could've been their best album by dropping a couple of songs and adding the songs held back for soundtracks .
I'm surprised the RNRHOF induction didn't get some discussion around here - good to see them back together.
Some bright spark on Blabbermouth quite innocently posted that Deen Castronovo should've been indicted :lol One letter makes a big difference and yes..........he has been indicted many times.
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:lol
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very faithful to Perry's signature parts
So you could say he recreated Perry's parts faithfully?
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it was great seeing Perry with the band at the Hall of Fame induction, but a damn shame he didn't sing.
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To be honest, he probably couldn't even sing those songs any more, at least without tuning way down. He hasn't done much of anything in over 20 years. And I'd rather they not fuel any potential rumours that are bound to come from doing that.
Wasn't he supposed to be recording a solo album or something a while back? I'd like to hear something new from him.
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If you watch Perry's performances with the Eels from a couple of years ago, he still has that rich tone. The legendary range is not there, but as he did more shows with the Eels, he got more confidence and got better. But simply stated, he's not the same singer he was 30-35 years ago. Pretty much no one on the planet is, except Glenn Hughes, who I swear is an alien. That guy just defies nature.
Anyway, I was bummed Perry chose not to sing, but I do get it. EVERYONE, including Perry himself, would hold Perry to his past greatness with Journey. And that's just not realistic. Perry knows it, and knows he can't deliver those songs like that any more, and doesn't want to go there. I respect that.
Schon did a couple of interviews this week (wish I had the links, but I don't, perhaps someone can look them up), where he said something along the lines of how emotional he and Perry both were, and there would have been no way he would have been able to sing given that emotion. And Perry is a very emotional guy to begin with.
Schon did say, however, that he thinks he and Perry might talk about doing something together in the future, just not as Journey. He mentioned it being more along the soulful rock lines, as opposed to the melodic, operatic pop/hard rock Journey is known for. That makes total sense to me -- not under the Journey name, there's much less of an expectation for Steve Perry to sound like Steve Perry from 1982.
I've been keeping tabs on news related to Perry's solo work. He's been working at it for about a decade now, but more more intense the last few years. He's had a lot of guys come in and work with him. I believe Nuno Bettencout has, among others (sorry, no link, going from memory). I also think I remember reading that Perry said that he plans on getting it out later this year? So we'll see. But I think the overriding notion is -- he isn't the same Steve Perry vocally as everyone remembers, and for a guy who is clearly driven by his emotions, that's hard for Perry to live up to. he can't live up to it, so he needs to feel like people will understand and accept it.
Honestly, I think his performances with the Eels really helped him, and he got better each time he performed with them. And if people listen to those performances, that's probably what I would expect from him moving forward. The tone is there. The range is not, and you have to just let his tone carry the day.
In a clearly not apples-to-apples example, it's sort of how Ray Alder sings these days in Fates Warning. That beautiful tone is there, but the range to do the No Exit and Perfect Symmetry stuff...he just doesn't want to go there. Same with Perry, except Perry CAN'T go there.
Anyway, I think Perry was pure class at the RnRHoF induction, and I really hope he does put out a solo record, tours, and eventually works with Schon. Personally, I'd like for them to do a Perry-Schon record with acoustic remakes of Journey songs, and then five or six new tunes, acoustic, that fit Perry's style and range these days. Sorta like how Sevendust did their Bonfires release a couple of years back...six old songs re-done acoustic, six new acoustic tunes.
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If you watch Perry's performances with the Eels from a couple of years ago, he still has that rich tone. The legendary range is not there, but as he did more shows with the Eels, he got more confidence and got better. But simply stated, he's not the same singer he was 30-35 years ago. Pretty much no one on the planet is, except Glenn Hughes, who I swear is an alien. That guy just defies nature.
Oh yeah, he's definitely still got a great sounding voice that's recordable, but just not for the old Journey stuff. That's an insane standard to live up to at that age, or any age. If he sang new material suited to his current voice though, that's something I'd definitely want to hear. I'd also definitely be interested in a Schon / Perry collab outside of Journey as described. That would be perfect.
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If you watch Perry's performances with the Eels from a couple of years ago, he still has that rich tone. The legendary range is not there, but as he did more shows with the Eels, he got more confidence and got better.
I remember seeing the first one. I didn't realize he did some other performances. Will have to check those out.
Anyway, I was bummed Perry chose not to sing, but I do get it. EVERYONE, including Perry himself, would hold Perry to his past greatness with Journey. And that's just not realistic. Perry knows it, and knows he can't deliver those songs like that any more, and doesn't want to go there. I respect that.
Schon did a couple of interviews this week (wish I had the links, but I don't, perhaps someone can look them up), where he said something along the lines of how emotional he and Perry both were, and there would have been no way he would have been able to sing given that emotion. And Perry is a very emotional guy to begin with.
Classy way to answer the question on Schon's part. It is true, but nicely sidesteps the issue of having to say "well, as much as we'd like to have him sing the old stuff, we all know he CAN'T." That's how you cover your (ex-)band-mate's back.
I've been keeping tabs on news related to Perry's solo work. He's been working at it for about a decade now, but more more intense the last few years. He's had a lot of guys come in and work with him. I believe Nuno Bettencout has, among others (sorry, no link, going from memory).
I think Nuno would be a great pairing, not only for his guitar chops (and not just rock--the guy can play a lot of styles), but also for his voice. I think he would harmonize well with Steve.
In a clearly not apples-to-apples example, it's sort of how Ray Alder sings these days in Fates Warning. That beautiful tone is there, but the range to do the No Exit and Perfect Symmetry stuff...he just doesn't want to go there. Same with Perry, except Perry CAN'T go there.
Yeah, good example with Ray. No secret here that I don't even like Ray's earlier work. Yeah, the range was impressive. But I didn't like his tone and timbre when he was relying in that range of his to wow the audience. I think his tone has improved greatly in his latter years, and I much prefer him on Redemption's stuff and the last 3 Fates albums than on the earlier stuff.
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Neal Schon is aware about the Steve Perry's loss of range (of course), but he clearly would like to have Perry's voice in the band in any way or form he could sing. IMO He puts this with all the respect and admiration Steve deserves:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/journeys-neal-schon-talks-steve-perry-reunion-hall-of-fame-w476380
Talking about a total class act, look at Steve's speech on Hall of Fame :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/read-journey-steve-perrys-heartfelt-rock-hall-of-fame-speeches-w475818
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Considering where he started - I don't think most people realize just how good Steve Perry is/was - even a diminished Steve Perry is still probably better than most of the hacks that are out there butchering Journey songs in bars across the land (especially since the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believing").
I didn't like every minute of every song, but you really have to give it to them. Solid musicianship, solid songwriting, mostly tasteful arrangements... the kind of music that brings you right back to where you were back in the day. Every time I hear "Stone In Love" (or really, anything from Escape) I still think of my first kiss back in the 2000's. (Haha, no, middle school).
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Considering where he started - I don't think most people realize just how good Steve Perry is/was - even a diminished Steve Perry is still probably better than most of the hacks that are out there butchering Journey songs in bars across the land (especially since the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believing").
I didn't like every minute of every song, but you really have to give it to them. Solid musicianship, solid songwriting, mostly tasteful arrangements... the kind of music that brings you right back to where you were back in the day. Every time I hear "Stone In Love" (or really, anything from Escape) I still think of my first kiss back in the 2000's. (Haha, no, middle school).
You are that young, Stadler?!? ;) :biggrin:
As you said, it brings us back to younger days, and that's cool. And God, how I love Perry's voice!
B.Lee
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Considering where he started - I don't think most people realize just how good Steve Perry is/was - even a diminished Steve Perry is still probably better than most of the hacks that are out there butchering Journey songs in bars across the land (especially since the resurgence of "Don't Stop Believing").
I didn't like every minute of every song, but you really have to give it to them. Solid musicianship, solid songwriting, mostly tasteful arrangements... the kind of music that brings you right back to where you were back in the day. Every time I hear "Stone In Love" (or really, anything from Escape) I still think of my first kiss back in the 2000's. (Haha, no, middle school).
You are that young, Stadler?!? ;) :biggrin:
As you said, it brings us back to younger days, and that's cool. And God, how I love Perry's voice!
B.Lee
I was already old in the 2000's. :)
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The list of rock singers that had power, a beautiful rich tone, and angelic range is very short.
Mercury
Tate
Glover
>>>But Perry was arguably better than any of those three in their and his prime, and he was able to sing with such soul on top of that. Sam Cooke's influence shined in Perry's voice, and still does.
Even when you consider guys such as Dio, Halford, Dickinson, Kiske, and a lot of the metal guys, they simply didn't have that sort of powerful, rich tone (and that takes nothing away from any of them, they probably would agree). The list is so short, and Perry honestly led the way, at least in my opinion.
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I would probably put him at the top of that list as well. But whether he is or isn't the "top," there's no disputing that he belongs on that short list. (and that isn't just the beans and ham talking)
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Glover, Corey Glover from Living Colour, right? If so, I'm glad he's on that list. Great and a very versatile voice!
All of them are my top 4 too, and, maybe, with Perry at nş 1 - it's not the case of him be "better", but he's my favorite. On a Journey's side note, I like a lot the Journey CDs without Perry, specially Generations and Revelations.
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Generations and Revelations.
I liked Generations a lot. Revelations, on the other hand, I did not. The stuff on disk 1 wasn't memorable at all. And the re-records left a bad taste in my mouth, especially the re-record of Faith in the Heartland on disk 1, which there was NO need to do at all. Eclipse, on the other hand, is perhaps my favorite post-Frontiers album. There were definitely a few misses on that one, but plenty of really solid tunes as well.
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I love both Revelations and Eclipse, about the same. Both great albums, and among my favourite Journey albums. The re-records made sense on many levels for them, and I enjoy those too, even though I'll usually defer to the originals these days.
Generations I don't really like at all, except Faith in the Heartland. Arrival was better imo (and Higher Place is one of my absolute favs from the band), but neither are close to the Arnel albums for me personally.
And you know what other Augeri era song I absolutely love? Remember Me, from the Armageddon soundtrack. Not even gonna apologize.
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I like Generations, and Faith in the Heartland is the best song there.
Revelation can take a flying leap, especially the "remakes" disc.
Haven't listened to Eclipse. Not a fan of Pineda.
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Generations only flaw IMO is bad production. I love the "a bit more" harder edge on it and that all of the band members sung at least a song on the album. It would be incredible with Arrival's or Eclipse's production.
I think Revelations is a lot on pop side and more predictable Journey's style, but I think the songs are great. Turn Down the World Tonight is one of my favorites Journey's ballads.
I like Eclipse, but I still don't know what really think about this album. Apart from the pre-Perry era, I think that's the most different Journey album for sure, very hard rock in a way they never done before. But I guess, for my tast, I like Journey more when they sound with its signature sound.
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And yes, also I don't like the re-recording of Faith in the Heartland and much less of The Place in Your Heart (japanese bonus) from Revelations.
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And you know what other Augeri era song I absolutely love? Remember Me, from the Armageddon soundtrack. Not even gonna apologize.
I don't remember it (no pun intended). I'll have to go back and listen. But Journey kinda made their name through sappy songs, so assuming that is what Remember Me is, no need to apologize.
Revelation can take a flying leap, especially the "remakes" disc.
Agreed. It made NO sense to do that, and it was a huge dick move on Schon's part.
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Generations and Revelations.
I liked Generations a lot. Revelations, on the other hand, I did not. The stuff on disk 1 wasn't memorable at all. And the re-records left a bad taste in my mouth, especially the re-record of Faith in the Heartland on disk 1, which there was NO need to do at all. Eclipse, on the other hand, is perhaps my favorite post-Frontiers album. There were definitely a few misses on that one, but plenty of really solid tunes as well.
Agree with bosky. Generations was solid. Revelations...it pissed me off. More disrespect of Augeri with the re-records. Pass. Eclipse was excellent. I am very fond of Trial by Fire, so it doesn't rank higher for me, but I will say Eclipse is the best Journey record not to feature Steve Perry on vocals. And of course, Jonathan Cain has said that record is a misstep because it was a bit too heavy (no link, but he did say something like that, I am paraphrasing). ::)
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And you know what other Augeri era song I absolutely love? Remember Me, from the Armageddon soundtrack. Not even gonna apologize.
That song is killer.
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Eclipse was excellent. I am very fond of Trial by Fire, so it doesn't rank higher for me, but I will say Eclipse is the best Journey record not to feature Steve Perry on vocals.
I like the way you put that because it encompasses the early stuff as well. But I'd probably go a step further. For my tastes, I would say it is probably the best Journey record not named Escape or Frontiers (although Infinity might be up there as well, just on the strength of Lights and Wheel In The Sky alone).
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Arival was good, We Will Meet Again is a killer song, but the record had too many ballads/soft songs. I didn't like Generations that much but thought that Revelations was much better monus the re-recorded stuff. Eclipse is just great, easily the best post-Perry record for me and up there with their great ones.
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They've put out alot of good stuff post Perry era. Arrival is great throughout, one of my favorite Journey ballads is Lifetime Of Dreams. Steve Augeri knocked it out of the park, and Schons guitar playing is melodic as ever.
As many mentioned above, Eclipse is fantastic! I wish they would play more of that stuff live.
Now going way back, I loved the Greg Rollie and Steve Perry era where they sang back and forth,, such as the song "Anytime" etc.
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Now going way back, I loved the Greg Rollie and Steve Perry era where they want back and forth,, such as the song "Anytime" etc.
Just The Same Way is my favourite of that kind. Great tune. :tup
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Now going way back, I loved the Greg Rollie and Steve Perry era where they want back and forth,, such as the song "Anytime" etc.
Just The Same Way is my favourite of that kind. Great tune. :tup
Agreed! Awesome stuff.
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Generations and Revelations.
I liked Generations a lot. Revelations, on the other hand, I did not. The stuff on disk 1 wasn't memorable at all. And the re-records left a bad taste in my mouth, especially the re-record of Faith in the Heartland on disk 1, which there was NO need to do at all. Eclipse, on the other hand, is perhaps my favorite post-Frontiers album. There were definitely a few misses on that one, but plenty of really solid tunes as well.
Agree with bosky. Generations was solid. Revelations...it pissed me off. More disrespect of Augeri with the re-records. Pass. Eclipse was excellent. I am very fond of Trial by Fire, so it doesn't rank higher for me, but I will say Eclipse is the best Journey record not to feature Steve Perry on vocals. And of course, Jonathan Cain has said that record is a misstep because it was a bit too heavy (no link, but he did say something like that, I am paraphrasing). ::)
That last sentence... hasn't that always sort of been the dynamic in Journey? Schon wanting heavier, Cain wanting more melodic, keyboard driven stuff, and magic being made in the middle?
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Put me in the camp that Eclipse is a very good album. In fact, it may be my favorite post-Perry Journey album.
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It seems there is trouble in Journey land again.
Neal and Cain seem to have had a major falling out over his (Cain's) obsession with religion since his marriage to an evangelical pastor....now coming to a head. He has changed his Twitter account to Neal Schon's JRNY
An example of a posting from Neal on social media
"I've stated how I felt about mixing Religion and Politics and how our music is not of 1 religion - democratic or republican. This is and has been an issue with myself Mr Cain and his now wife since he married. I've had to fight this whole time to protect the Brand I built with Steve Perry way before Gregg and I picked Cain to replace himself when he wanted to retire from the road back then. Well frankly I'm tired of having to defend all by my self. Ross is no help. I continue to grow and be completely creative and want to take the band Neal Schon's JRNY on an exciting new trip musically. Yes we will always have all hits to play But there must be musical growth also. I also need to surround myself with people that care as I do. I'll never stop.”
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I can't say I'm fully surprised. There's been talk that tensions were there between Neal and Cain ever since they did the Eclipse album in 2011.
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I can't say I'm fully surprised. There's been talk that tensions were there between Neal and Cain ever since they did the Eclipse album in 2011.
Yeah........Schon has been pretty clear that he wanted to take things in a more hard rocking direction etc.....as against Cain's more melodic tendencies. But I wasn't aware of what seems a total breakdown in the relationship over the influence of Cain's missus.
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I can't say I'm fully surprised. There's been talk that tensions were there between Neal and Cain ever since they did the Eclipse album in 2011.
Yeah........Schon has been pretty clear that he wanted to take things in a more hard rocking direction etc.....as against Cain's more melodic tendencies. But I wasn't aware of what seems a total breakdown in the relationship over the influence of Cain's missus.
Yeah, that's also news to me.
I guess my question right now is who will make the lineup for the band moving forward? I know there was talk recently about Gregg rejoining Journey and Neal seemed into the idea, so I could see that happening. Neal specifically singling Ross out in his rant though makes me think he might not continue being in the band.
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Eclispe is really an iteresting and a strong record and it seemed the band was still evolving... but, all of a sudden, Journey seemed to turn to just a nostalgia act, what personally I think it's a tremendous waste of talent. Let's see this NS band, although I think he needs a partner like Cain with a more melodic sense to blend with his more guitar driven style.
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That last sentence... hasn't that always sort of been the dynamic in Journey? Schon wanting heavier, Cain wanting more melodic, keyboard driven stuff, and magic being made in the middle?
Pretty much, yeah. I think Schon got his way on Eclipse, which is probably why they haven't made another record.
It seems there is trouble in Journey land again.
Neal and Cain seem to have had a major falling out over his (Cain's) obsession with religion since his marriage to an evangelical pastor....now coming to a head. He has changed his Twitter account to Neal Schon's JRNY
An example of a posting from Neal on social media
"I've stated how I felt about mixing Religion and Politics and how our music is not of 1 religion - democratic or republican. This is and has been an issue with myself Mr Cain and his now wife since he married. I've had to fight this whole time to protect the Brand I built with Steve Perry way before Gregg and I picked Cain to replace himself when he wanted to retire from the road back then. Well frankly I'm tired of having to defend all by my self. Ross is no help. I continue to grow and be completely creative and want to take the band Neal Schon's JRNY on an exciting new trip musically. Yes we will always have all hits to play But there must be musical growth also. I also need to surround myself with people that care as I do. I'll never stop.”
That's unfortunate. I hope the two of them can figure it out. As much as I prefer the heavier side of Journey, Jonathan Cain is an essential element of their sound. If Schon moves on without him, he really needs to make sure he changes the name. I am not entirely sure, but I am fairly confident that "Journey" is owned between Perry, Schon and Cain. So if I am correct in that assumption, Schon can probably book gigs under "Neal Schon's Journey" and not pay Cain. But if he books AS Journey, he has to pay Cain. And yes, if memory serves, Perry never separated from Journey's ownership, which is why he oversaw some of their live projects a few years back. He gets paid every time Journey does something. Cain's not dumb. He wouldn't give that up.
A shame. I really hope they can get it together, or simply go their separate ways...
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Eclispe is really an iteresting and a strong record and it seemed the band was still evolving... but, all of a sudden, Journey seemed to turn to just a nostalgia act, what personally I think it's a tremendous waste of talent. Let's see this NS band, although I think he needs a partner like Cain with a more melodic sense to blend with his more guitar driven style.
From the sound of things, Cain has played a big role in this. Dude was not a fan of Eclipse at all and used its poor sales as an excuse to shut down recording any new material and sticking to only playing the band's classic hits at live shows.
If I had to guess, Neal's gonna probably team up with Gregg Rollie, Steve Smith and (hopefully) Arnel Pineda under the moniker of "Neal Schon's JNRY" to avoid any legal bouts with Cain.
I was checking an old stomping grounds of mine at MelodicRock forums (probably the best forum to go to for info on Journey) and apparently Neal's had the idea of touring under "JNRY" as a possible back exit since 2007, though it seems he hasn't felt the need to do anything with it until now?
That last sentence... hasn't that always sort of been the dynamic in Journey? Schon wanting heavier, Cain wanting more melodic, keyboard driven stuff, and magic being made in the middle?
Pretty much, yeah. I think Schon got his way on Eclipse, which is probably why they haven't made another record.
It seems there is trouble in Journey land again.
Neal and Cain seem to have had a major falling out over his (Cain's) obsession with religion since his marriage to an evangelical pastor....now coming to a head. He has changed his Twitter account to Neal Schon's JRNY
An example of a posting from Neal on social media
"I've stated how I felt about mixing Religion and Politics and how our music is not of 1 religion - democratic or republican. This is and has been an issue with myself Mr Cain and his now wife since he married. I've had to fight this whole time to protect the Brand I built with Steve Perry way before Gregg and I picked Cain to replace himself when he wanted to retire from the road back then. Well frankly I'm tired of having to defend all by my self. Ross is no help. I continue to grow and be completely creative and want to take the band Neal Schon's JRNY on an exciting new trip musically. Yes we will always have all hits to play But there must be musical growth also. I also need to surround myself with people that care as I do. I'll never stop.”
That's unfortunate. I hope the two of them can figure it out. As much as I prefer the heavier side of Journey, Jonathan Cain is an essential element of their sound. If Schon moves on without him, he really needs to make sure he changes the name. I am not entirely sure, but I am fairly confident that "Journey" is owned between Perry, Schon and Cain. So if I am correct in that assumption, Schon can probably book gigs under "Neal Schon's Journey" and not pay Cain. But if he books AS Journey, he has to pay Cain. And yes, if memory serves, Perry never separated from Journey's ownership, which is why he oversaw some of their live projects a few years back. He gets paid every time Journey does something. Cain's not dumb. He wouldn't give that up.
A shame. I really hope they can get it together, or simply go their separate ways...
That's exactly what I think Neal's up to with the whole "Neal Schon's JNRY" moniker.
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It always comes down to the bottom line.
Interesting if "JRNY" is how he is going to book it. Smart. Because legally, everything probably says "Journey," so if all this assuming is right, using the shortened word is exactly how you avoid any legal entanglements (Cain my try, but Schon was very smart if he is only using JRNY after his name).
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It always comes down to the bottom line.
Interesting if "JRNY" is how he is going to book it. Smart. Because legally, everything probably says "Journey," so if all this assuming is right, using the shortened word is exactly how you avoid any legal entanglements (Cain my try, but Schon was very smart if he is only using JRNY after his name).
Yup. And "JNRY" also stylistically fits with the band's history of using odd spelling for album titles (see "E5C4P3"/"Escape" and "ECL1P53"/"Eclipse" as examples).
All in all, I think this is probably a case of two very big Egos finally coming toe-to-toe with one another in Neal and Cain. I'm not really sure that I'm gonna ever really sympathize with either party on this. However I'll probably keep following Neal since I know he wants to make more music and play it live, while Cain just wants to cruise on autopilot with the classic hits.
For me, I'm just really wanting to know how Arnel and Steve Smith fit into things. I'm betting we're about to see Neal team up with Gregg again since it seems like he's been wanting to do that for ages now, and it sounds like Ross might be out given Neal's reference to Ross "not helping" in his big rant on Cain.
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It always comes down to the bottom line.
Interesting if "JRNY" is how he is going to book it. Smart. Because legally, everything probably says "Journey," so if all this assuming is right, using the shortened word is exactly how you avoid any legal entanglements (Cain my try, but Schon was very smart if he is only using JRNY after his name).
Yup. And "JNRY" also stylistically fits with the band's history of using odd spelling for album titles (see "E5C4P3"/"Escape" and "ECL1P53"/"Eclipse" as examples).
All in all, I think this is probably a case of two very big Egos finally coming toe-to-toe with one another in Neal and Cain. I'm not really sure that I'm gonna ever really sympathize with either party on this. However I'll probably keep following Neal since I know he wants to make more music and play it live, while Cain just wants to cruise on autopilot with the classic hits.
For me, I'm just really wanting to know how Arnel and Steve Smith fit into things. I'm betting we're about to see Neal team up with Gregg again since it seems like he's been wanting to do that for ages now, and it sounds like Ross might be out given Neal's reference to Ross "not helping" in his big rant on Cain.
I'm very interested to see how it will play out. I favor Neal's heavier approach, and would check out "Neal Schon's JRNY" depending on the setlist, and the band. It would be cool if Gregg Rolie was involved. But I wonder about Smith, Pineda and Valory. Smith and Valory, in particular, may not be as interested if the money isn't the same. And it wouldn;t be, because "JOURNEY" will likely draw a lot more than "NEAL SCHON'S JRNY."
Although I don't believe in supporting anyone who hits a woman, I wonder now that he has gotten clean again, and tried to make amends, if Deen Castronovo will team up with Neal Schon once again. I wouldn't find that surprising, and would give Neal a dynamite voice. I've long said that the best Journey singer outside of Steve Perry is Deen Castronovo. The man simply doesn't want to front a band. But his voice is even more like Perry than Pineda's is.
I guess we'll find out. I wouldn't really follow Cain much, if he decided to do something. To me, he's essential for classic Journey, but his softer tastes probably wouldn't work for me in a solo context.
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It always comes down to the bottom line.
Interesting if "JRNY" is how he is going to book it. Smart. Because legally, everything probably says "Journey," so if all this assuming is right, using the shortened word is exactly how you avoid any legal entanglements (Cain my try, but Schon was very smart if he is only using JRNY after his name).
Yup. And "JNRY" also stylistically fits with the band's history of using odd spelling for album titles (see "E5C4P3"/"Escape" and "ECL1P53"/"Eclipse" as examples).
All in all, I think this is probably a case of two very big Egos finally coming toe-to-toe with one another in Neal and Cain. I'm not really sure that I'm gonna ever really sympathize with either party on this. However I'll probably keep following Neal since I know he wants to make more music and play it live, while Cain just wants to cruise on autopilot with the classic hits.
For me, I'm just really wanting to know how Arnel and Steve Smith fit into things. I'm betting we're about to see Neal team up with Gregg again since it seems like he's been wanting to do that for ages now, and it sounds like Ross might be out given Neal's reference to Ross "not helping" in his big rant on Cain.
I'm very interested to see how it will play out. I favor Neal's heavier approach, and would check out "Neal Schon's JRNY" depending on the setlist, and the band. It would be cool if Gregg Rolie was involved. But I wonder about Smith, Pineda and Valory. Smith and Valory, in particular, may not be as interested if the money isn't the same. And it wouldn;t be, because "JOURNEY" will likely draw a lot more than "NEAL SCHON'S JRNY."
Although I don't believe in supporting anyone who hits a woman, I wonder now that he has gotten clean again, and tried to make amends, if Deen Castronovo will team up with Neal Schon once again. I wouldn't find that surprising, and would give Neal a dynamite voice. I've long said that the best Journey singer outside of Steve Perry is Deen Castronovo. The man simply doesn't want to front a band. But his voice is even more like Perry than Pineda's is.
I guess we'll find out. I wouldn't really follow Cain much, if he decided to do something. To me, he's essential for classic Journey, but his softer tastes probably wouldn't work for me in a solo context.
I think Smith is likely to stick with Neal, seeing as he's collaborated with Neal on some of his solo albums in recent years and that it was Neal who was able to get him back into the band at all. Hell, I only recently realized that Smith had rejoined Journey at all (I'd stopped paying attention after the whole controversy with Deen happened), so if there's a rift in the band, I think Smith will either continue working with Neal or just retire from Journey altogether.
Ross is probably out though, given him being mentioned specifically in Neal's big rant.
As for Arnel or Deen, I think Neal would probably stick with the former for now. He might not sound like Perry as much as Deen did, but I think his voice complimented the more aggressive music Neal was coming up with on Eclipse.
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The return of Jeff Scott Soto????
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The return of Jeff Scott Soto????
Considering he was dropped on his ass by Schon and Cain, I doubt it. One of the most callous moves I have seen. Thankfully, JSS landed on his feet. I almost swore off Journey for good after that. I saw one of the shows with JSS fronting them. He was GREAT. He and Deen took turns singing, and it was really, really good. JSS then ended all of his involvement in other things, and then found out after he did it that the band dumped him.
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Yeah, I don't see Soto coming back. He was not at all happy about the way things went down.
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I'd be (happily) stunned if Soto came back. But yeah, I don't see it happening at all. Neal and Cain did him dirty.
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I can't say I would be "happy" if he returned. He is a fantastic singer. But, at least at the show I saw him perform with them, he struggled mightily with the material and could not do it justice. He has a nice range and can hit some high notes when called on to do so. But he cannot sing an entire set of Journey material comfortably. The stuff is just outside of his range. And the set I saw him on was an opening set as well. I cannot imagine him singing a full-length headlining set of Journey material. That isn't meant to be a knock on him. I just do not feel that he is the right singer for that job.
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I can't say I would be "happy" if he returned. He is a fantastic singer. But, at least at the show I saw him perform with them, he struggled mightily with the material and could not do it justice. He has a nice range and can hit some high notes when called on to do so. But he cannot sing an entire set of Journey material comfortably. The stuff is just outside of his range. And the set I saw him on was an opening set as well. I cannot imagine him singing a full-length headlining set of Journey material. That isn't meant to be a knock on him. I just do not feel that he is the right singer for that job.
And here is where personal taste can deviate. I saw, I believe the same show bosk1 did, and if memory serves, I feel completely opposite. I thought he was outstanding. Some of the higher songs Deen simply sang, leaving JSS to sing harmony. In fact, I recorded the show on minidisc. I'd have to find it and get it transferred, but I know I recorded it.
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Although I don't believe in supporting anyone who hits a woman, I wonder now that he has gotten clean again, and tried to make amends, if Deen Castronovo will team up with Neal Schon once again. I wouldn't find that surprising, and would give Neal a dynamite voice. I've long said that the best Journey singer outside of Steve Perry is Deen Castronovo. The man simply doesn't want to front a band. But his voice is even more like Perry than Pineda's is.
Neal has already talked about possibly using Deen for his "heavy blues" project he's doing with John Waite. Why not bring him in for his JRNY project?
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JSS - like most singers as they age - has lost the top of his range but could've been a good fit for a more hard rocking Journey. He could've added a lot of energy (both on stage and creatively) and turned them away from the nostalgia act thing. I suppose Soul Sirkus is some sort of example but I never managed to get into that one. I would've liked to see JSS in Van Halen instead of Cherone at the time - his version of So This Is Love is killer and he can manage a DLR falsetto much easier than pushing out of his natural range to do Perry.
As some have said the chances of JSS going near Neal Schon again are basically nil.
Re Castronovo and not wanting to front shows - I agree it's not his preference but he did front some shows recently with Revolution Saints and didn't seem too out of his comfort zone. Not a natural front man by any means but did a decent job.
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Their drama aside, can I just say that Send Her My Love has one gorgeous outro.
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Yes, you can. And you can say that about quite a few of their other songs as well. :) Personally, I'm a sucker for the outro to Faithfully.
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Winds of March
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Yes, you can. And you can say that about quite a few of their other songs as well. :) Personally, I'm a sucker for the outro to Faithfully.
One of the best outros in the history of cheesy power ballads :metal :metal :metal
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Winds of March
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YES. Oh my god, that song is so damn underrated. :metal
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The outro to Stone in Love blows the whole song, for me. It's like they had two mostly complete songs and decided to stick them together, for lack of any better options to finish either one. The first half of the song is awesome. Then it makes that shift and all the bitchin' energy is kinda lost. I mean, the second half is cool, if it were its own thing, but I just don't feel like it belongs where it is.
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The outro to Stone in Love blows the whole song, for me. It's like they had two mostly complete songs and decided to stick them together, for lack of any better options to finish either one. The first half of the song is awesome. Then it makes that shift and all the bitchin' energy is kinda lost. I mean, the second half is cool, if it were its own thing, but I just don't feel like it belongs where it is.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
That outro is epic as hell, man.
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Yeah, it IS epic as hell. It just feels like it belongs elsewhere, is all.
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The outro to Stone in Love blows the whole song, for me. It's like they had two mostly complete songs and decided to stick them together, for lack of any better options to finish either one. The first half of the song is awesome. Then it makes that shift and all the bitchin' energy is kinda lost. I mean, the second half is cool, if it were its own thing, but I just don't feel like it belongs where it is.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
That outro is epic as hell, man.
Yeah, I'm with Blob on this one.
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I'm in agreement, too. Stone in Love is a top Journey tune, and the outro is a major reason why.
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The outro to Stone in Love blows the whole song, for me. It's like they had two mostly complete songs and decided to stick them together, for lack of any better options to finish either one. The first half of the song is awesome. Then it makes that shift and all the bitchin' energy is kinda lost. I mean, the second half is cool, if it were its own thing, but I just don't feel like it belongs where it is.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
That outro is epic as hell, man.
Coz just made a Vulcan blow a gasket. Resign your commission Blob. You've been compromised. :lol
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Again, I do not argue that the outro IS a fantastic one. It just feels like too dramatic a shift from the first half of the song. It feels like it was never specifically intended to go there, but like it was an unfinished bit that had to go somewhere, might as well stick it here.
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Out of curiosity, how many folks here have ever checked out the Dream After Dream album? It's mostly instrumental, but honestly I think it's probably one of the best albums Journey ever did.
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Again, I do not argue that the outro IS a fantastic one. It just feels like too dramatic a shift from the first half of the song. It feels like it was never specifically intended to go there, but like it was an unfinished bit that had to go somewhere, might as well stick it here.
I agree. It definitely is awesome, but out of place. I always got the feeling they were aiming to replicate the "Who's Crying Now" outro. The outro for "Who's Crying Now" totally fits, though. I think something major pentatonic based for the "Stone In Love" outro would have felt like much less of an abrupt shift in mood.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets it. It's a great outro, just not a great outro for Stone in Love, IMO.
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Things are warming up again in Journey land :lol
Cain's missus (evangelist and some sort of spiritual adviser to Trump) gets the band into the Oval Office for a meeting with Trump .........only Neal wasn't invited.
https://www.facebook.com/schonmusic/
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I have a feeling Cain's days are numbered and I'm perfectly fine with it because I want Greg Rollie back in the band and I think Neal does too. Time will tell.
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I have a feeling Cain's days are numbered and I'm perfectly fine with it because I want Greg Rollie back in the band and I think Neal does too. Time will tell.
If you scroll down the Facebook page someone asks him about playing pre-Perry stuff and he says "I'm assembling"
Seems they are still playing shows at the moment but it's clearly about to implode in one way or another.
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Was Neal running the FB page a few months back? I remember the page getting a little weirdly aggressive and personal a while back. At some point, there was a status about how some people have bad karma coming their way, I offhandedly replied that Karma would make a great title for a Journey album, and the page instantly responded that it would be a perfect name. I was both flattered and weirded out. :lol
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:omg:
Holy crap! I was looking at the wikipedia page for past members of Journey, and just realized that Arnel Pineda has been an official member of Journey now almost as long as Steve Perry was!
(Perry is credited with being a member from 1977 to 1987, and 1995-1998, with the band's hiatus from in between not counting)
Yeah, I know there are all kinds of asterisks we can put on that statement, but it's still kinda mindblowing to me.
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So I have been a Journey fan for most of my life really. Trial By Fire was actually the first CD I remember buying after got my first CD player as a kid (dating myself there). But for the longest time I had that and the Time 3 box set and it wasn’t until a few years ago that I finally started collecting all of their individual albums. I’ve finally just finished collecting Journey through Evolution in the last few weeks to finish off everything up until Trial by Fire (those discs are dirt cheap on Amazon right now. I wonder if a new edition of those are in the works. These haven’t even been remastered I don’t think).
I have to say, I’ve always been much more of an Escape onward fan, but these early albums are great too. The debut really is phenomenal. Neal was on fire, and I love how experimental and progressive it is. The next two are a bit patchy, but still some great experimental hard rock/fusion throughout. The second half of Next feels to be a little bit mailed in (aside from Nickel and Dime which is great), and you really do get the sense the band needed a new voice.
And then they drop Infinity and here is this amazing new voice just reimagining the whole band. At the same time though, I’m just continually amazed at what a brilliant guitarist Schon is. He transitions from being this crazy heavy rock/fusion guy to a bluesy, soulful soloist with just the right amount of flair for the songs. Then Steve Stone shows up on Evolution, and it’s like another breath of fresh air invigorating the band. I actually think Departure is the weakest of the Perry-Rolie albums. Luckily, they were able to plug in a new keyboardist/songwriter for Escape and the rest was history.
The one thing I still need to track down is the Dream After Dream soundtrack. It’s really incredible how much music these guys made in just an 11 year period while also touring heavily. It’s no wonder Rolie and Perry both burned out. I’m sure some day I’ll try out the post-Perry albums. I do have Eclipse, but I thought it felt a little half-baked. I should give it another spin though.
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Post Perry, I’d say that first album with Augeri (Arrival) is excellent, the second one (Generations) is awful apart from 2 or 3 songs. First album with Arnel (Revelations) is also excellent and the 2nd one (the aforementioned Eclipse) was a big step down, hence they’ve done nothing since. The first song they actually released post Perry was Remember Me from the Armageddon soundtrack which I also really enjoyed.
As ever, all just my opinions, I have seen many rate Eclipse much higher than I do.
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Got to disagree on Eclipse. A well crafted album start to finish.
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Wait, people actually listen to post Perry Journey albums? What is that like?
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Tim, I bet you'd like Eclipse. Heavy side of Journey.
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Tim, I bet you'd like Eclipse. Heavy side of Journey.
OK, I'll check it out.
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Got to disagree on Eclipse. A well crafted album start to finish.
Yes, imo the best post-Perry record.
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Eclipse is very good.
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Tim, I bet you'd like Eclipse. Heavy side of Journey.
It is very guitar heavy and I should love it as I am a big Schon fan but just felt to me like it was almost too much of a wankfest of guitars and they forgot to write really catchy memorable songs. Will listen again but remember being pretty disappointed after really loving Revelations. Seem to remember it starts quite strong for the first 2 or 3 songs but then gets a bit boring.
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Listening now and I was a little harsh, it’s been pretty decent. Arnel is such a fantastic singer on these two albums. A pity they gave up after this and don’t really play any of the post Perry stuff live. It would probably be met with total apathy if they did though.
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I remember Neil getting upset that the fans weren't getting up for the new songs on Arrival. The model these days for making money is touring not making new music.
I think bands play better when they have a new album to promote live.
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I remember Neil getting upset that the fans weren't getting up for the new songs on Arrival. The model these days for making money is touring not making new music.
I think bands play better when they have a new album to promote live.
Agreed because it feels like the band has something to prove, to win over a crowd with new music.
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Also, dummy me.
Neal.
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I don't have it in me to listen to an entire post-Steve Perry Journey album, but give me 2-3 songs from Eclipse to check out and I will do so.
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Man, I was kind of hoping some people wanted to talk about early Journey. 😛
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Man, I was kind of hoping some people wanted to talk about early Journey. 😛
I only know a few songs from the pre-Infinity albums, so I wouldn't have a lot to discuss. I do like the song Look into the Future quite a bit. :hat
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Man, I was kind of hoping some people wanted to talk about early Journey. 😛
I only know a few songs from the pre-Infinity albums, so I wouldn't have a lot to discuss. I do like the song Look into the Future quite a bit. :hat
Yeah, Look Into The Future (the song) is great. Probably the best thing on that album. Schon’s tone reminds me of early Pearl Jam. Probably more trying to sound like Hendrix?
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I don't have it in me to listen to an entire post-Steve Perry Journey album, but give me 2-3 songs from Eclipse to check out and I will do so.
https://youtu.be/IN8FB5YXUfk
https://youtu.be/pJG3wQtdkpg
https://youtu.be/G6fNN27Fx4g
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I would counter with 3 from Revelation.
https://youtu.be/-tD0BOA3KFM?list=OLAK5uy_k5a39FTlBs4t9NjFO02YKVWg-Q8UiShkk
https://youtu.be/iF0bpakv2so?list=OLAK5uy_k5a39FTlBs4t9NjFO02YKVWg-Q8UiShkk
https://youtu.be/OZr_1Lcqul8?list=OLAK5uy_k5a39FTlBs4t9NjFO02YKVWg-Q8UiShkk
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Have you heard his stuff since leaving Journey?
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King, that first song, "City Of Hope", is excellent; I haven't gotten to the second one yet. The third is okay; it's clearly one of those songs that take a few listens. That part when the band comes in, Arnold REALLY sounds like Steve.
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I’m sure some day I’ll try out the post-Perry albums.
Post Perry, I’d say that first album with Augeri (Arrival) is excellent...
Agreed on Arrival. Really, if you are inclined at all to check out post-Perry Journey, I highly recommend the Journey 2001 DVD. I thought Agueri was really, really good in that show, and it's a great set where you get to hear a lot of the classic material, a few songs from Arrival (and, I think Red 13, but I may be misremembering), and a couple of rare deep cuts. Really good show.
Man, I was kind of hoping some people wanted to talk about early Journey. 😛
I know for me, I can definitely appreciate the new stuff. But I also don't listen to it often at all, so it's hard to comment. But I will say that I was fortunate to see some of that early, rare material performed live. I believe it was the Generations tour that they did a 30th anniversary "evening with" format with two sets. The first set was dedicated to a lot of the early, rare material, with only a few hits thrown in, and it was REALLY cool. On the instrumental, Augeri played a strat to add a second guitar part. I don't recall the exact set, but it was either this or something close to it: https://www.setlist.fm/stats/average-setlist/journey-3d6b507.html?tour=2bd6f406 (Any Way You Want It closed out the first set). It was, without a doubt, my favorite Journey show.
If you got your feet wet with this band with the Time 3 box set, you've probably read through that big booklet that came with it, and you know all about the early years of the band, where it talked about Herbie Herbert taking them all over the place and just having the play constantly, whether it was clubs, parties, state fairs, or whatever. Some interesting history to tie into that that is alluded to, but I don't recall being mentioned outright: Herbert not only managed Journey in the early '70s, but he also signed Y&T in 1974. For the next two years or so, Y&T and Journey were frequently paired up on those epics tours around the state, and then around the U.S. Wherever Herbert could get them a gig, they would play. In fact, if you flip through the Time 3 booklet, there is a photo of the promo poster for the legendary Winterland gig the two bands played together (with Y&T of course being then referred to as "Yesterday & Today"). Here's a short snippet from Dave Meniketti on that time period:
Gregg & I have known each other since 1974. We met as Y&T was being signed to Journey's management company "Spreadeagle Productions".
Since that signing, Journey & Y&T played almost exclusively together for the next few years, until the 2 managers in the firm parted their ways & took 1 band each, as they split. Journey went with Herbie Herbert & we were left with Lou Bramy (the 2 partners of Spreadeagle Prods).
Though we never really played together within a band, we certainly played plenty of gigs together & respected each other's talents.
Fast forward 27 years (whew!) & again, Greg & I are both managed by the same manager, Scott Boorey. Kinda spooky, eh?
Greg just happened to come over my house a few months ago & we re-aquainted ourselves. I like the guy quite a bit & can relate to him on a level that's almost like looking in a mirror.
We briefly discussed the idea of him playing organ on a few tracks for my next record & other possibilities. He's given me the big thumbs up on that & I suspect that we may do even more in the future.
Because we live 350+ miles away, it's not quite as easy as when he was living in the bay area, but that's not going to have any real effect on my next CD, or anything else.
Greg has a new CD ready to be released called "Roots" that is brilliant. When it becomes available, I encourage you to pick it up.
--Dave
There's actually a much longer version out there somewhere from Y&T's perspective, but I couldn't find it.
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I agree with bosk1 that the live DVD from 2001 is fantastic.
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Bosk, I spent a ton of time with that Time 3 booklet back in the day, but don’t recall it mentioning the Y&T connection (I didn’t even realize Y&T dated that far back as a band!).
The thing that always struck me when reading about those early Journey records was just how young Neal Schon was. He was already a pro having worked with Santana at age 17 but was still just 19 when Journey was first assembled and 21 when the debut came out. You get a better sense for how young and somewhat raw (in a good way) he was on those first three albums, but also how much he grew by the time Infinity hit in ‘78 (still only 24!).
I know there is a criticism that Journey were a closely managed/manufactured band, and that definitely played a role in the development of the music, especially once Perry came on board. Still, I give Schon a ton of credit for his body of work as a guitarist even from such a young age.
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Bosk, I spent a ton of time with that Time 3 booklet back in the day, but don’t recall it mentioning the Y&T connection (I didn’t even realize Y&T dated that far back as a band!).
Yeah, like I said, I don't think the connection itself is expressly mentioned--only alluded to. But for those that know the history of the two bands, what is told about Journey's early history sheds a lot of light on the history of both bands. I was only 4-6 years old during that stretch in 1974-1976, so I obviously don't have first hand knowledge. But having grown up in the backyard the two bands shared, I have heard a lot of things through the years. And I've heard a lot of people through the years talk about how, during that time period, it felt like you could find a Y&T/Journey show on any given weekend, just depending on how far you wanted to drive.
By the way, here's a link to the image of that Winterland gig poster from 11/22/75: https://www.limitedruns.com/original/music-posters/rock/journey-concert-poster/
You will probably recognize it now from the booklet.
The thing that always struck me when reading about those early Journey records was just how young Neal Schon was. He was already a pro having worked with Santana at age 17 but was still just 19 when Journey was first assembled and 21 when the debut came out. You get a better sense for how young and somewhat raw (in a good way) he was on those first three albums, but also how much he grew by the time Infinity hit in ‘78 (still only 24!).
Oh, for sure. All of that. I think that, because of the music Journey was putting out in the '80s, it seemed odd for Schon to appear on Stars with all those hard rock guitar players, like Smith/Murray, Vivian Campbell, Yngwie, and such. But those in the industry have always respected what a beast he is, even if there was a period where some fans forgot and thought he was just a pop guitar player. Until Metallica eventually showed up on the scene, Schon, Meniketti, and Hagar were THE Bay Area rock guitar icons.
I know there is a criticism that Journey were a closely managed/manufactured band
Well, they kinda were. And that's perfectly fine, actually. I mean, both the songwriting and the musical ability were always there, so I think the band never lacked for musical integrity, as can often happen in that type of scenario.
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By the way, here's a link to the image of that Winterland gig poster from 11/22/75: https://www.limitedruns.com/original/music-posters/rock/journey-concert-poster/
Wow! That's fantastic. I love that kind of thing.
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By the way, here's a link to the image of that Winterland gig poster from 11/22/75: https://www.limitedruns.com/original/music-posters/rock/journey-concert-poster/
Wow! That's fantastic. I love that kind of thing.
Well, then here's some trivia on the Winterland Ballroom: https://rockandrollroadmap.com/places/where-they-played/san-francisco-area-venues/the-winterland-ballroom-the-last-waltz/ (surprising that Journey isn't mentioned in that article, since they were somewhat regulars)
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Cool.
I love music history, especially in the Boston area in the 70's. I've spent a lot of time looking at old tour dates and such.
Cool!
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Oh, for sure. All of that. I think that, because of the music Journey was putting out in the '80s, it seemed odd for Schon to appear on Stars with all those hard rock guitar players, like Smith/Murray, Vivian Campbell, Yngwie, and such. But those in the industry have always respected what a beast he is, even if there was a period where some fans forgot and thought he was just a pop guitar player. Until Metallica eventually showed up on the scene, Schon, Meniketti, and Hagar were THE Bay Area rock guitar icons.
I know there is a criticism that Journey were a closely managed/manufactured band
Well, they kinda were. And that's perfectly fine, actually. I mean, both the songwriting and the musical ability were always there, so I think the band never lacked for musical integrity, as can often happen in that type of scenario.
As far as Schon hanging with heavy hitters, a lot of Frontiers is really heavy. Edge of the Blade is a great example of Schon just shredding away.
I also don’t have any problem with Journey being somewhat manufactured. They played/sang the crap out of the music, and just because the label/producer/manager guided the style and production doesn’t make it any less great. And it’s not as if Perry, Schon, Rolie, and Cain weren’t still the primary writers.
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Schon was never a heavy metal guitarist but through all phases of Journey you could hear that he was a veritable rocker.
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I look at that Winterland picture (and I'm thinking of the cover of one of the Japanese Quiet Riot records) and I cannot fathom having a waist that thin. Even when I was in peak physical condition - probably my senior year of high school/freshman in college - I never looked like that.
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I bought Eclipse based off the recommendations here. City of Hope was a good song, and if I don't like the rest, it's ok because I only paid a dollar at Walmart lol
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I bought Eclipse based off the recommendations here. City of Hope was a good song, and if I don't like the rest, it's ok because I only paid a dollar at Walmart lol
Heh, the only reason I own it is because I saw it at Walmart for super cheap and bought it on a whim.
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Schon was never a heavy metal guitarist but through all phases of Journey you could hear that he was a veritable rocker.
The Hagar/Schon record has it's heavy moments.
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You mean HSAS or Soul SirkUS that started with Hagar and ended with Jeff Scott Soto?
Sure, Schon can play heavy, but I think in his heart he's a rocker, that can play in many different styles.
Somewhere above Smith/Murray, Yngwie and other hard rock/metal players are mentioned and that's not what Schon is about imo. Those comparisons just don't make sense to me.
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You mean HSAS or Soul SirkUS that started with Hagar and ended with Jeff Scott Soto?
Sure, Schon can play heavy, but I think in his heart he's a rocker, that can play in many different styles.
Somewhere above Smith/Murray, Yngwie and other hard rock/metal players are mentioned and that's not what Schon is about imo. Those comparisons just don't make sense to me.
I was referring to the HSAS, but there is Soul SirkUS, and the precursor Planet US (Hagar, Schon, I think Mike Anthony and Deen Castronovo). I think a couple Planet US tunes ended up on Sammy solo records (Cosmic whatever it is, and the "and Friends" disks).
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Somewhere above Smith/Murray, Yngwie and other hard rock/metal players are mentioned and that's not what Schon is about imo.
I wasn't just pulling a comparison out of my hat. I was referring to a specific session where he DID play with those players (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM89fYqvvWw), and I pointed out that it may have seemed out of place, but that he actually was able to fit right in and hold his own, and is featured pretty prominently in the song.
(actual song here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5H94GHb-10)
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Okay, I misunderstood that and confess I haven't heard of that project. Now it makes more sense.
What baffles me is that some people (not here) could think less of Schon as a guitar player just because he's in a mainstream rock band.
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No worries. I still love that documentary. It's such a fun watch, even if the song itself is incredibly dated.
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I don't have it in me to listen to an entire post-Steve Perry Journey album, but give me 2-3 songs from Eclipse to check out and I will do so.
https://youtu.be/IN8FB5YXUfk
https://youtu.be/pJG3wQtdkpg
https://youtu.be/G6fNN27Fx4g
Thanks!
City of Hope was okay.
Tantra and Edge of the Moment were both good tunes. Might be worth getting for a buck each at iTunes.
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https://www.loudersound.com/news/journey-sack-steve-smith-and-ross-valory
It’s sad. Unfortunately Journey doesn’t seem a true band anymore, just business.
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That’s sad, but in the long winding history of Journey feuds and lineup changes, I suppose it’s not all that surprising. I was under the impression that Schon and Cain weren’t on good terms anymore anyway due to the stuff with Trump and Neal touring the Journey Through Time thing.
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what a mess. at some point you have to say we've done enough, lets just end this.
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I wonder if they are cancelling their scheduled tour this year with The Pretenders? I'm sure they can find a new bass player and drummer. Makes me wonder if Neal will get Dean Castronovo back on drums. I'm sure there's plenty of options.
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They should call up Randy Jackson to play bass.
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They should call up Randy Jackson to play bass.
That's actually not a bad idea.
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Maybe give Perry a call too.
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This is all about the end coming close, and Schon and Cain looking to fire guys they pay a lot of money to, and replacing them with cheaper guys, who actually will make the band better. And by that I mean - welcome back Deen Castronovo on drums, and Marco Mendoza on bass.
Deen is the best Journey singer outside of Steve Perry, and anyone who has seen him, knows that. But he doesn't want to be a frontman. So he'll spell Arnel on a few of the tougher songs, singing them from behind the drum kit. Both Deen and Marco will come cheaper, and Schon and Cain will make more money, and the band will sound better (and no disrespect at all on my end toward Steve Smith and Ross Valory -- I love those guys and they are getting the shaft, but Deen and Marco are better players, and Deen is a phenomenal tenor singer).
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Steve Smith is a phenomenal drummer in his own right. Even Neil Peart was a big fan and spoke highly of him.
Deen Castronovo is a beast on drums, but he's not any better than Steve Smith except what he can bring to the table vocally.
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Yes, Steve is an elite level drummer. Highly capable in many genres, including jazz.
I'm surprised Schon and Cain can agree on anything including a lawsuit. They
don't like each other at all.
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Three sides to every story, and this is only the first one. While I know we'll never hear the third (the truth), it will be interesting to hear the other side of the story. As some of you have implied, I cannot imagine that Ross and especially Steve would be so stupid to try to perform some sort of "corporate coup d'état".
If it is, as suggest, that Neal and Jon are just kicking them to the curb to hire cheaper replacements, shame on them. They did it once back in the mid-80s and how did that go over? The band folded after the following album and tour. Granted, that was primarily due to Perry, but I still think something was missing when those guys were replaced.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out legally and otherwise...
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I'm surprised Schon and Cain can agree on anything including a lawsuit. They
don't like each other at all.
While that may be true, but are both smart enough to recognize that they make a LOT more money together than apart.
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Steve Smith is a phenomenal drummer in his own right. Even Neil Peart was a big fan and spoke highly of him.
Deen Castronovo is a beast on drums, but he's not any better than Steve Smith except what he can bring to the table vocally.
This. Steve Smith is one of my heroes, one of the GOATs and all that (and for good reason), and he has always been far too good for Journey (technically and musically speaking), so him being excised might actually be a relief for him, but what do I know. Side note: Check him out on Enigmatic Ocean by Jean Luc Ponty (released a year before he was brought into Journey), fab album. MM is a fan of Steve Smith as well. (even Steve Gadd, another one of the all time greats)
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Yea Steve is a killer drummer and i've been a big fan of him before I even heard about Journey. He really seems like a genuinely nice guy so this feels a bit off but what do I know. It's all business in the end.
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Maybe give Perry a call too.
I'm the biggest Perry fanatic on the planet, but no. He hasn't the range to do the Journey songs in their original key anymore nor does have the desire or reason to endure the inevitable drama that would come with working with them anymore.
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When Deen had his personal problems and Journey brought back Steve Smith, I knew it was for these reasons.
1.) Old school, nostalgia in the lineup possibly leading to more ticket/merch sales = making more money.
2.) Buy some time for Deen to get his stuff together & back in the fold (he comes with a cheaper price tag).
3.) Buy some time for Schon to find another drummer, well known or not, that would come cheaper.
I don't think Smith wanted to do Journey music full time anymore. He's more into jazz. Maybe there was an understanding that he was temporary but there wasn't a closed date for it to end. Maybe he saw how much money the band/brand was making & wanted to milk it for all he could. Maybe Schon said, "Your time is up. We want to move on to another drummer" and Smith didn't want to yet because he liked the income, the songs are fun to play, and they're easy for him to play. Hard to argue with making decent money while having easy work.
Maybe they just don't get along at all and while the music on stage was good, the relationship is sour. It's not fun to tour or do business with someone you can't stand, even if the product is good.
A lot of maybes. A lot of assumptions.
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Family recreates “Separate Ways” video and it’s awesome....
https://youtu.be/Q-r8s0J7eU8
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Would you believe that family lives in my housing development?
I don't know them personally, but I first saw this posted by the family in our HOA's Facebook page.
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Would you believe that family lives in my housing development?
I don't know them personally, but I first saw this posted by the family in our HOA's Facebook page.
That's hilarious. I first saw it on a local news page so I knew it they lived in the PNW.
I posted this a while ago in the GD humor thread.
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Seems like Randy Jackson is lined up formplaying bass and Narada Michael Walden on drums for Journey’s empty slots. Neal Schon himself revealed this in his FB page.
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I was hoping Randy would be up for it. Awesome, now I want to check em out now.
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Seems like Randy Jackson is lined up formplaying bass and Narada Michael Walden on drums for Journey’s empty slots. Neal Schon himself revealed this in his FB page.
Whoa, I called it!
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Seems like Randy Jackson is lined up formplaying bass and Narada Michael Walden on drums for Journey’s empty slots. Neal Schon himself revealed this in his FB page.
I'm not the least bit surprised Neal brought Randy back into the fold. I am however a bit surprised that he didn't use this as an opportunity to bring Deen back into the band on drums. I'm not very familiar with Narada at all, but he seems more than capable.
The most frustrating thing to me is that it seems like there's no drive for anyone in the band to write and record new music anymore. It's been obvious for ages with Cain, so I have no expectations of Arnel getting another shot at writing/recording new music with the band... but I'd have thought we'd see some new material emerge from Journey Through Time by now at least on Neal's side of things?
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Hmm... not sure how I feel about Randy. I mean, he's got the chops. And he's got the connection to the band. But for me, him joining is also a reminder of the period where they crossed so far into pop territory and the band as a whole was in such a state of dysfunction that I felt like the music seriously suffered and was no longer entertaining.
Incidentally, I have their 2001 DVD on in the background while working, and will reiterate what I have said many times that this is my absolute favorite live performance of theirs of the live ones they have put out through the years.
I also note by way of observation of which songs I have loved most through the years, and they are definitely the more guitar-driven songs where they rock. Wheel in the Sky, Stone in Love, Separate Ways, Any Way You Want It, and Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' are probably my top 5. But they also wrote some REALLY solid ballads (Faithfully, Lights, and Send Her My Love being my favorites) and some really solid pop songs (Only the Young and Be Good To Yourself). Those would probably be my top 10 Journey songs, and in the order listed, without mixing those three categories together.
And in looking at my own list, a couple of other observations stand out to me: (1) Yes, I guess I do prefer the "hits," with just a few exceptions. And (2), yes, I did in fact omit Don't Stop Believin' and Open Arms from my top 10 (the former would be the next in order; Open Arms would rank much lower).
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I think the band is completely disfunctional right now, that's why they have to bring back Randy (or any other bass player who's willing to play with them).
And Be Good To Yourself is a guitar-driven rocker and not a pop song. :D And it's one of my favorite Journey tunes.
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And Be Good To Yourself is a guitar-driven rocker and not a pop song. :D And it's one of my favorite Journey tunes.
A huge part of the appeal of this band for a good many people, I think, is the fact that for a LOT of their tunes, you can argue that the song falls into either one of those categories, and you wouldn't really be wrong no matter which side you take.
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Man, can I even start with a top 10 list of favorite Journey tracks? I’d probably leave off Don’t Stop Believing too, but not because it’s not a great great song.
Still They Ride is way up there for me. Only The Young and Ask the Lonely as well. Escape is a great song, as is Mother, Father. I’d probably include something from Trial by Fire, but not sure which. Little Girl from the Dream After Dream soundtrack. I really love the songs Frontiers and Rubicon. I feel like I’m selling the early albums short here.
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Yeah, the deep cuts you mention are definitely some worthy choices. Speaking only for myself, the stuff I love most generally falls into this category: Most of the songs from Escape and Frontiers, and the hits from the pre-Escape Perry era, with a smattering of other songs here and there. I also really enjoyed quite a few songs from the Augeri-era albums, and the last album with Arnel (although those can't tough the classics for me). The rest of their catalog is "just there" for me--I don't mind the songs, and like them alright, but won't go out of my way for them.
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Too many good songs to narrow it down to a top ten. I like most of the hits quite well and there are a lot of deep cuts from every era that are really good. For instance Colours Of The Spirit from Trial By Fire and We Will Meet Again from Arrival would probably end up way high in my hypothetical ranking list.
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I am generally a hits guy when it comes to Journey (even their deep cuts from their supposed best albums usually do not do a lot for me), so my top 10 would be pretty much all hits. Separate Ways, Stone in Love and Send Her My Love are undoubtedly the top 3, and Who's Crying Now is up there as well.
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Among the Journey ballad category, Faithfully is a really wonderful power ballad I think. Prefer it to Open Arms for sure. Also really like Who’s Crying Now and Send Her My Love. Happy to Give is another underrated ballad, and it’s cheesy as heck but I still love Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever.
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This last post is already over a month old, but I just happened to read it yesterday and thought it was appropriate to share here:
https://www.melodicrock.com/tags/journey
If true, Schon and Cain ain't the angels they're purporting to be.
Also, regarding why Deen didn't come back, a friend of mine said that Deen was actually approached and turned down the offer. I think that also says a lot about the current situation in Journey...
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Separate Ways is one of my favorite rock songs by any band. Some other favorite Journey tunes would be Wheel in the Sky, Ask the Lonely, Who’s Crying Now, Chain Reaction, Girl Can’t Help it, Be Good to Yourself and Message of Love. Even though there was a cheese factor to them, Journey mastered the ballad and made a fortune on them. Don’t Stop Believin is overplayed but it’s still a classic. But overall that original greatest hits album has to be one of the best compilation albums by any band. Will also mention that if the song Message of Love would have been released in 1986 instead of 1996, the song would have been huge. Awesome tune.
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Message of Love is an awesome song, even if it is almost a re-write of Separate Ways. Trial By Fire has a ton of great tracks. One More, Can’t Tame the Lion, Forever in Blue. Also the title track is really incredible.
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"Only The Young". If I only can listen to one Journey song for the rest of my life, it's "Only The Young".
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Still They Ride needs more love, fantastic song.
Also the title track off Escape is fabulous.
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Still They Ride needs more love, fantastic song.
Also the title track off Escape is fabulous.
Agreed on both!
Man, can I even start with a top 10 list of favorite Journey tracks? I’d probably leave off Don’t Stop Believing too, but not because it’s not a great great song.
Still They Ride is way up there for me. Only The Young and Ask the Lonely as well. Escape is a great song, as is Mother, Father. I’d probably include something from Trial by Fire, but not sure which. Little Girl from the Dream After Dream soundtrack. I really love the songs Frontiers and Rubicon. I feel like I’m selling the early albums short here.
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I can't remember if this has been talked about in this thread or not, but as someone who loved the live versions of Girl Can't Help It and I'll Be Alright Without You (the videos MTV played for these songs were those live versions) and was later underwhelmed by both studio versions, I love that those live versions were made available on iTunes. I couldn't click "buy" on those fast enough. :coolio
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Can't Tame A Lion is an excellent album cut.
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I can't remember if this has been talked about in this thread or not, but as someone who loved the live versions of Girl Can't Help It and I'll Be Alright Without You (the videos MTV played for these songs were those live versions) and was later underwhelmed by both studio versions, I love that those live versions were made available on iTunes. I couldn't click "buy" on those fast enough. :coolio
Yeah, these were on the Time 3 box set and when I finally heard the originals they felt flat. I do really like both of those songs though. Raised on Radio has its weak spots, but I really enjoy most of it. The title track is corny but good fun.
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Among the Journey ballad category, Faithfully is a really wonderful power ballad I think. Prefer it to Open Arms for sure. Also really like Who’s Crying Now and Send Her My Love. Happy to Give is another underrated ballad, and it’s cheesy as heck but I still love Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever.
Why Can't This Night Go On Forever is hands down Journey's best love ballad. By a country mile. Baffles my mind that they rarely ever play that one live, it's a gem, cheese and all.
Other personal favorite Journey tracks are tracks like Winds of March, One More, Edge of the Blade, Escape, Patiently, Separate Ways, Still They Ride, Resonate and Higher Place. I love the other obvious hits too, but there's a ton of great songs from the band out there that I love.
Their best song though is Mother, Father. Hands down. :metal Blew my mind when I saw an old live video and realized that Steve Perry was actually singing that really high pitched bit in the closing minute or so of the song. I'd always assumed it was a little flourish on Cain's synths like the band's played it live for years.
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Still They Ride needs more love, fantastic song.
Also the title track off Escape is fabulous.
Agreed on both!
Man, can I even start with a top 10 list of favorite Journey tracks? I’d probably leave off Don’t Stop Believing too, but not because it’s not a great great song.
Still They Ride is way up there for me. Only The Young and Ask the Lonely as well. Escape is a great song, as is Mother, Father. I’d probably include something from Trial by Fire, but not sure which. Little Girl from the Dream After Dream soundtrack. I really love the songs Frontiers and Rubicon. I feel like I’m selling the early albums short here.
guess I should read every post more carefully. :lol
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If I only can listen to one Journey song for the rest of my life...
Feeling That Way/Anytime (I know it's two songs, they are forever linked in my mind, like Moving In Stereo/All Mixed Up).
I had the Time3 box set in high school - actually I think I perma-borrowed it from a friend. I played that a ton. They've always been a Hits band for me, and I don't even care for some of the hits. Classic rock radio burnout.
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Second the love for Still They Ride and Mother, Father. I think I know what I'm listening to this afternoon...
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There was a time in my life that Journey was my favorite band. Still love them and always will. I get in moods where I'll spin their discography for a week or two and connect with the music and memories again.
One of my favorite deep tracks is Daydream.
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From Neal Schon/Journey Facebook:
We were so happy to be involved with UNICEF with all the amazing artists, for such a great cause 🙏🏽 thank you #MerckMercuriadis 🙌🏽welcome to our Journey family Randy Jackson Narada Michael Walden Fan Page and #JasonDerlatka Journey Believe Friends New Music Coming 🎶
If so, it will be a pleasant surprise, since I’m also a great fan from the post Perry albums.
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I remember years ago when the drama was going down, Neal Schon was posting about karma on his FB. I replied that Karma would make a great album title and he agreed. :lol So if they have a new album coming and it's named that I'll just implode.
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Considering how much I have read that leads me to believe that Schon is not a good guy, where is his karma? Helluva guitar player, but seems like a shitty person. (I don't remember where I read these things, for anyone wanting to ask me what I mean, but it was in numerous different articles and spots)
Somewhere, Steve Perry, who apparently still gets a percentage of what they make when they tour, probably sits at home, laughing and counting his money, and thankful to be away from the drama-fest that is now Journey.
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Then again, in his segment on Sammy Hagar's show, it was like long lost brothers. I'm not arguing with you, Kev, but making the point that it's hard to tell, even though there always seems to be drama circling around him.
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I think it just depends on who you talk to and when. There seems to be a lot of drama surrounding Schon, Cain, Valory, and Perry at various times and in various contexts. I'm not sure any of those 4 are completely innocent, but I'm equally not sure any of them are truly "bad" guys either.
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Can't Tame A Lion is an excellent album cut.
Agreed, great guitar solo too. Trial by Fire is a really strong album.
"Arrival" is also such a great album over all. I still feel that Steve Augeri was the better replacement for Perry than Arnel Pineda.
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I think it just depends on who you talk to and when. There seems to be a lot of drama surrounding Schon, Cain, Valory, and Perry at various times and in various contexts. I'm not sure any of those 4 are completely innocent, but I'm equally not sure any of them are truly "bad" guys either.
Cain's missus is a B-A-D bad chick :biggrin:
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Then again, in his segment on Sammy Hagar's show, it was like long lost brothers. I'm not arguing with you, Kev, but making the point that it's hard to tell, even though there always seems to be drama circling around him.
Is Perry to whom you are referring? If so, I don't doubt it, as I am sure he was a monster pain in the ass with wanting to do things his way and steering the band in a direction maybe the others weren't wild about, ala Dennis DeYoung.
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And he kinda held the band and their schedule hostage back when he was dealing with his hip issues way back when, and apparently didn't and still doesn't see how or why that was a problem.
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And he kinda held the band and their schedule hostage back when he was dealing with his hip issues way back when, and apparently didn't and still doesn't see how or why that was a problem.
If Perry is to be believed, he couldn’t tour with his pain at the time and wanted to get his hip fixed and then go tour. If Schon or Cain had an issue which hindered their performance would it have been any different?
I understand the idea of capitalizing on the momentum of their reunion at the time but what was Perry to do?
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I understand the idea of capitalizing on the momentum of their reunion at the time but what was Perry to do?
I don't know...maybe get the operation done? ;)
From what I remember, he was dragging his feet on doing it, which is why Schon and Cain ultimately decided to move on without Perry.
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I understand the idea of capitalizing on the momentum of their reunion at the time but what was Perry to do?
I don't know...maybe get the operation done? ;)
From what I remember, he was dragging his feet on doing, which is why Schon and Cain ultimately decided to move on without Perry.
Yeah, exactly. I don't fault him for the fact that he needed time off to take care of it. But I don't think he disputes the story about how it actually went down, which was: It dragged on for years, and he kept putting off getting it taken care of, and he eventually put the band on hold completely. When the band approached him and asked for some (any) sort of timeline, he declined to give one and just said he would do it when he was ready to do it.
Again, I don't fault him for the health issue, or for wanting to take care of it. But I do fault him for having everyone else (band, crew, management, etc.) put their lives on hold seemingly indefinitely without giving any sort of timeline.
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I don't know how many people here have read it (I'm sure at least some of you...in fact it may have been posted at some point in this page). But Matt Carty's interview with Journey's manager Herbie Herbert is absolutely one of the most intriguing interviews I have ever read about any band. It's extremely long. You'd need to pull up a chair for awhile to read it all, but I promise it's worth it.
This is a link to the archived interview, which in in four parts. I almost wish I could just post it, but that would be an incredibly long post.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070127121512/http:/members.cox.net/mrcarty/
EDIT - Basically, it gives a ton of history into the drama, clashes, and personalities of the players involved.
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Link wasn’t working for me. Is it the same one as this?
https://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html
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Link wasn’t working for me. Is it the same one as this?
https://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html
No...but if you read this really quick, it references the interview in my link. Not sure why it’s not working for you. I’m getting on both my computer and my phone.
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I don't know how many people here have read it (I'm sure at least some of you...in fact it may have been posted at some point in this page). But Matt Carty's interview with Journey's manager Herbie Herbert is absolutely one of the most intriguing interviews I have ever read about any band. It's extremely long. You'd need to pull up a chair for awhile to read it all, but I promise it's worth it.
This is a link to the archived interview, which in in four parts. I almost wish I could just post it, but that would be an incredibly long post.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070127121512/http:/members.cox.net/mrcarty/
EDIT - Basically, it gives a ton of history into the drama, clashes, and personalities of the players involved.
Wow, it's a big interview! I read just some of it, very interesting... Herbie's perpective seems heavy against Steve Perry. Anyway, I found interesting that apparently "Raised on Radio" was meant to be "Freedom" and that album was recorded by Smith and Valory. Does this version exist and is archived somewhere?
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What I got out of it was that the PLAN was for that, and the artwork/packaging/schedule/promotion were planned out far in advance, but Steve Perry forced the game change before they could actually write or record *that* album and ROR happened instead.
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Thanks for the response! I asked that because of this part of your interview, where Herbie said (http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/page13.html):
"... I'm sitting there with Neal Schon, Jon Cain, and Steve Perry. They inform me, 'We're struggling, and Steve doesn't feel right about these recordings.' And I go, 'All the tracks are finished!' 'Yeah, he doesn't like them. He wants to replace Smith and Valory.' ..." maybe just demos?
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Link wasn’t working for me. Is it the same one as this?
https://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html
No...but if you read this really quick, it references the interview in my link. Not sure why it’s not working for you. I’m getting on both my computer and my phone.
So the text was so small on my phone when I opened it I didn’t even see the links to the different parts of the interview. I’ve read the melodic rock interview several times in the past, but wasn’t sure if what you posted was something different or not.
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Thanks for the response! I asked that because of this part of your interview, where Herbie said (http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/page13.html):
"... I'm sitting there with Neal Schon, Jon Cain, and Steve Perry. They inform me, 'We're struggling, and Steve doesn't feel right about these recordings.' And I go, 'All the tracks are finished!' 'Yeah, he doesn't like them. He wants to replace Smith and Valory.' ..." maybe just demos?
I’ve read the interview a couple of times, but my last read hasn’t been in a few years. But that sounds about right.
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I don't know how many people here have read it (I'm sure at least some of you...in fact it may have been posted at some point in this page). But Matt Carty's interview with Journey's manager Herbie Herbert is absolutely one of the most intriguing interviews I have ever read about any band. It's extremely long. You'd need to pull up a chair for awhile to read it all, but I promise it's worth it.
This is a link to the archived interview, which in in four parts. I almost wish I could just post it, but that would be an incredibly long post.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070127121512/http:/members.cox.net/mrcarty/
EDIT - Basically, it gives a ton of history into the drama, clashes, and personalities of the players involved.
interesting read for sure. seems Herbie was the real reason the band ever became successful.
I was intrigued by the notations that Rush ripped off the song "Nickel and Dime" (Tom Sawyer) and Kansas ripped off the song "I'm Gonna Leave You" (Carry on my Wayward Son).
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I was intrigued by the notations that Rush ripped off the song "Nickel and Dime" (Tom Sawyer) and Kansas ripped off the song "I'm Gonna Leave You" (Carry on my Wayward Son).
I remember hearing that Schon talked about that live a few years ago. Given how desperate he is for money to pay alimony to his dozen ex-wives :lol, I am sure he was probably trying to find a way to sue.
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I was intrigued by the notations that Rush ripped off the song "Nickel and Dime" (Tom Sawyer) and Kansas ripped off the song "I'm Gonna Leave You" (Carry on my Wayward Son).
I remember hearing that Schon talked about that live a few years ago. Given how desperate he is for money to pay alimony to his dozen ex-wives :lol, I am sure he was probably trying to find a way to sue.
This was asserted in the Time 3 booklet as well (the Kansas and Rush references, not the alimony part!). The Kansas one has always seemed pretty apparent. The Rush one is a little more subliminal (it’s there it’s just not obvious). I doubt either band intentionally ripped Journey off, but I suppose it’s possible they were aware of those tracks and that influenced them in some way.
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From Journey/Neal Schon Facebook:
08-11
"Dear Friends
Our single will be coming out in about 3 1/2 weeks ! It’s a Rocker and built for the Times. There’s a new Strut / Attitude with Randy and Narada.
Neal ☝🏽🕶"
08-12
"A lot of exciting things going on friends !
New music !
New sites !
New Swag !
It’s all Happening !
Great times ahead !
“UNIVERSE” COMING SOON JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS 🎄
Thank you for your continued support 🙏🏽
Love & Respect
Neal"
Very exciting news indeed! Despite all the internal problems, I like very much all Journey's post-Perry output (the only exception is the Red EP).
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Post-Perry era (and, actually, post-Frontiers) has been hit and miss for me. But that's okay with me. Most albums have at least a couple of songs I really like, so it's cool. Neal and Jon are great musicians and songwriters, so odds are that there will be something I dig.
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Finally I bought the live in Japan Escape + Frontiers and I watched it yesterday. Really a great blu-ray, with a great performance of those amazing albums and Steve Smith's playing is mesmerizing at that show! (like Ross said in the booklet, once he was the "machine gun", but now he's "the magician"). Although Journey made a lot of very good albums, after watching/hearing again Escape and Frontiers, I think they never made anything at the same level since then (also before IMO).
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The public drama has just killed this band for me. The crappy way they split with JSS, the public feud between NS and JC followed by NS’s public threat to break the band up and form a new group called JRNY, the supposed “coup” resulting in the firing of RV and SS...not to mention JC starting to get a bit heavy handed with his lyrics (form a Christian side project for it. It doesn’t belong in Journey)
I’ve lost all my steam for this band.
Although I would pay big bucks for a home video release of NS’ reunion show with Gregg...did that show end up happening? Or was that something that ended up on the COVID chopping block?
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As long as they put out another good record (hopefully) I couldn't care less about the drama.
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Always excited to hear new Journey.
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It's been over a month since NS's post about a new song. I'm anxious to hear it.
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Looks like Smith/Valory and Schon/Cain settled their recent legal curfuffle.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-settles-with-steve-smith-and-ross-valory-over-alleged-corporate-coup-detat/
Earlier today, JOURNEY's management, Q Prime, released the following statement: "The members of the band JOURNEY who were parties to a recent lawsuit (Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Steve Smith and Ross Valory) are pleased to announce that they have resolved their differences and reached an amicable settlement agreement. Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain acknowledge the valuable contributions that both Ross Valory and Steve Smith have made to the music and the legacy of JOURNEY. Ross Valory and Steve Smith wish their former bandmates well and much success in the future. JOURNEY looks forward to continuing to tour and make new music for their dedicated fans around the world."
The wording of that press release was probably a term of the settlement, but at least that mess is behind everyone.
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I saw the thread bumped and I got excited for new music. Crap.
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I saw the thread bumped and I got excited for new music. Crap.
They do have a new album in the can - won't be too long for new music
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Looks like Smith/Valory and Schon/Cain settled their recent legal curfuffle.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-settles-with-steve-smith-and-ross-valory-over-alleged-corporate-coup-detat/
Earlier today, JOURNEY's management, Q Prime, released the following statement: "The members of the band JOURNEY who were parties to a recent lawsuit (Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Steve Smith and Ross Valory) are pleased to announce that they have resolved their differences and reached an amicable settlement agreement. Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain acknowledge the valuable contributions that both Ross Valory and Steve Smith have made to the music and the legacy of JOURNEY. Ross Valory and Steve Smith wish their former bandmates well and much success in the future. JOURNEY looks forward to continuing to tour and make new music for their dedicated fans around the world."
The wording of that press release was probably a term of the settlement, but at least that mess is behind everyone.
HAHAHA, good call. :)
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Although I would pay big bucks for a home video release of NS’ reunion show with Gregg...did that show end up happening? Or was that something that ended up on the COVID chopping block?
Are you talking about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cKTCIZpqI&list=PLisbZsD4cWkLkufi3rN-No55B4z0GzQZY
The wording of that press release was probably a term of the settlement, but at least that mess is behind everyone.
HAHAHA, good call. :)
Absolutely. Would be interesting to know exactly what happened, but I doubt that we'll ever know unless there's an unauthorized Journey book that comes out and figures it out.
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:omg:
It’s fairly simplistic, but it’s multi-camera pro shot. Has that had an official release?
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According to their Facebook page, a new Journey song will drop Thursday June 24.
Looking forward to it. I still buy everything they release.
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New song!
https://youtu.be/mfxQx8oFbf8
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New song!
https://youtu.be/mfxQx8oFbf8
Derivative keyboard intro and shitty art aside I didn't mind that once the guitars kicked in. I get a Trial By Fire/Arrival vibe and if this is on the more commercial side I'll be interested in hearing more.
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Not bad.
Journey is a band that, due to their age, lack a bit of fire, edge, and attitude that a younger band with something to prove would have. And a byproduct of that is that they rarely try tread any new ground. But they are a band of talented musicians and songwriters that have been around so long that they are incredibly well-honed and know how to craft something catchy that has artistic merit and has their popular signature sound.
This song captures both sides. It is very unsurprising in that regard. It breaks no new ground whatsoever. But that's fine. It sounds like Journey and sounds good, even if it brings nothing new to the table. I can completely respect that.
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It's OK. Still not a fan of Arnel. But it's fine.
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Didn't wow me. It's good but nothing I haven't heard from them before.
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Kind of milquetoast but not bad. Based on Schon's comments over the last year, I expected rocking high energy. It's Journey playing to their melodic strengths. At least they're still creating new music.
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The song isn’t bad at all, but like most modern Journey it’s probably not something I’d really listen to much. I’m glad that the band has carried on as long as it has in some form, but I’m pretty content with the Journey catalog up through Trial of Fire.
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Not a fan at all and I like quite a bit of the post Perry era Journey stuff. This is just meh for me unfortunately, wish I liked it more. Sounds really muddy to me as well which doesn’t help either.
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The Journey and Styx threads are blending together.
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Listened several times now. Getting zero feels.
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The Journey and Styx threads are blending together.
Not musically. That new Styx album is excellent.
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Neil is auctioning 112 of his guitars
https://entertainment.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?No=0&N=3189+792+4294940940+4294967076
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Other than Arnel sounding like Steve Perry, I don't understand how anyone can think that new song has any qualities that remotely sound like Journey. It doesn't rock like some Classic Journey does. Nor, does it have the poppier sound of Journey of old. It has a mid-tempo chugging feel to me that I would never associate with Journey. And, it's definitely not a song that gets me excited about a new Journey album.
It's also what I'm dreading about the onslaught of music to be released upon us in the coming months - pandemic-themed songs. I understand the last 16 months have been like nothing any of us have ever had to endure. And, people write from personal experience. However, do we really need every artist to put a pandemic song on his/her/their album?!? Personally, I just want to move on.
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Neil is auctioning 112 of his guitars
https://entertainment.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?No=0&N=3189+792+4294940940+4294967076
Must need money for all of those alimony payments since he hasn't been able to tour for a year and change. :lol :lol
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:lol
I listened to the song a second time and it was better than the first listen. I need to hear it more to say it's likeable or not.
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I listened to the song a second time and it was better than the first listen. I need to hear it more to say it's likeable or not.
Well, like Bosk said, it is what it is. If you're a big enough fan of Journey, I'm sure you can find something about it that you like.
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Not true for me. I do want to hear it in a full album to make a judgement.
Most hardcore Journey fans did not like Eclipse. I thought it was great.
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I thought a couple of those newer songs weren't bad (the ones recommended a while back), but I can't imagine ever going out of my way to hear them again. My Journey collection ends in 1986 and I am good with that. :hat :hat
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3 songs from 86. Lol. The rest of that album deserves to be cast out in the sea.
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I only know the hits, but I was a big fan of I'll Be Alright Without You and Girl Can't Help It thanks to MTV playing the crap out of the videos (from live shows!!).
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Right. Add Be Good To Yourself. Any other song is subpar for a Journey album.
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I like a most/all of Raised on Radio. In addition to the above named tracks, Happy to Give and In The Eyes of a Woman are really strong. I also like the title track and Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever (schmaltz and all). The playing suffers from no Steve Smith, and some of the production choices are shaky, but I thought the songs were strong.
Also, Kev, Trial By Fire is absolutely worth having in my view. Despite Perry’s vocal decline and a few too many ballads, there are lots of great songs on it. Message of Love, One More, If He Should Break Your Heart, Forever in Blue, Can’t Tame the Lion, and the title track, all really great with several others I really enjoy.
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Also, Kev, Trial By Fire is absolutely worth having in my view. Despite Perry’s vocal decline and a few too May ballads, there are lots of great songs on it.
More than decent album.
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That album is good no doubt. ROR though.....
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That album is good no doubt. ROR though.....
But not RORO
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Me am confused.
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Me am confused.
Scooby Doo reference I believe.
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Me am confused.
Scooby Doo reference I believe.
I figured Tim only watched black and white TV with rabbit ears.
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I can see why rock fans in general wouldn’t be keen on Raised On Radio, it is pretty much a pop record. As a fan of Journey’s ballads and softer moments though as well as the rock songs, I’ve always enjoyed it. The production is very, very 80’s though. It sounds more dated than some of their earlier albums.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-returns-to-live-stage-with-revamped-lineup-featuring-deen-castronovo-marco-mendoza-video/
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/2021/aragon-ballroom-chicago-il-38f21a3.html
An extensive setlist. I hope Deen is singing some songs at least! I don't see Journey needing 2 drummers, but I really like that Deen is back in the band.
edit: Deen is singing Who's Crying Now, Mother Father, Open Arms and Faithfully (setlists photo, apparently from Jon’s Instagram account).
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I was thrilled to see Deen back in the group. But, I don't really understand the 2 drummer thing. And, he's playing a Roland E-drum kit.
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I was thrilled to see Deen back in the group. But, I don't really understand the 2 drummer thing. And, he's playing a Roland E-drum kit.
I am not up with all the latest but I think there's a couple of factors:
1) Schon feels like he owes Deen
2) Arnel's voice (like Perry and Augeri before him) is starting to wear significantly and Deen gives them a backup plan
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I was thrilled to see Deen back in the group. But, I don't really understand the 2 drummer thing. And, he's playing a Roland E-drum kit.
I am not up with all the latest but I think there's a couple of factors:
1) Schon feels like he owes Deen
2) Arnel's voice (like Perry and Augeri before him) is starting to wear significantly and Deen gives them a backup plan
I know that Deen and Schon go back to the Hardline days and that he has a lot of love for him. Hell, he had him in his Journey Through Time project. I just don't understand why they didn't just name him the drummer when they named Randy Jackson the new bassist. It's not like he can't handle Journey's drum parts on his own. He was with them for over 15 years!
As for them bringing him back for his vocals, if Arnel's voice is starting to fade, Deen is definitely a competent back-up.
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When you consider that Neal probably doesn't want to return to having a whole tour reliant on Deen not falling off the wagon again , it probably makes more sense.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-returns-to-live-stage-with-revamped-lineup-featuring-deen-castronovo-marco-mendoza-video/
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/2021/aragon-ballroom-chicago-il-38f21a3.html
An extensive setlist. I hope Deen is singing some songs at least! I don't see Journey needing 2 drummers, but I really like that Deen is back in the band.
edit: Deen is singing Who's Crying Now, Mother Father, Open Arms and Faithfully (setlists photo, apparently from Jon’s Instagram account).
He used to do that when JSS was in the band. Those are some of their signature songs, Arnel can’t be feeling great about that unless his voice isn’t up to it anymore.
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When you consider that Neal probably doesn't want to return to having a whole tour reliant on Deen not falling off the wagon again , it probably makes more sense.
I thought of this too.
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When you consider that Neal probably doesn't want to return to having a whole tour reliant on Deen not falling off the wagon again , it probably makes more sense.
I could see if it was 6 months after Deen had his issues. He's been sober for years and has put out 3 Revolution Saints albums (where he's the singer and drummer), a Gioeli-Castronovo album and been a touring/recording member of the Dead Daisies for 4 years.
Regardless, whatever the reason, I'm happy to see him back.
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https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-returns-to-live-stage-with-revamped-lineup-featuring-deen-castronovo-marco-mendoza-video/
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/2021/aragon-ballroom-chicago-il-38f21a3.html
An extensive setlist. I hope Deen is singing some songs at least! I don't see Journey needing 2 drummers, but I really like that Deen is back in the band.
edit: Deen is singing Who's Crying Now, Mother Father, Open Arms and Faithfully (setlists photo, apparently from Jon’s Instagram account).
I’ve just watched videos from the show. Arnel sang Open Arms, Faithfully and Who’s Crying Now.
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I’ve just watched videos from the show. Arnel sang Open Arms, Faithfully and Who’s Crying Now.
Yeah, I think "Mother, Father" was the only song Deen sang.
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I’ve just watched videos from the show. Arnel sang Open Arms, Faithfully and Who’s Crying Now.
Yeah, I think "Mother, Father" was the only song Deen sang.
And he sang that back in the day as well if memory serves me correctly.
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I’ve just watched videos from the show. Arnel sang Open Arms, Faithfully and Who’s Crying Now.
Yeah, I think "Mother, Father" was the only song Deen sang.
And he sang that back in the day as well if memory serves me correctly.
You are correct, sir!
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New song, same Journey….
https://youtu.be/hxW9ALoYlds
Better than the other new song they released quite a few months ago, probably goes on too long.
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New song, same Journey….
https://youtu.be/hxW9ALoYlds
Better than the other new song they released quite a few months ago, probably goes on too long.
I like the song but there is something off about the performance. Feels like the drums are slightly behind tempo or something (and very boxy sounding, though I was listening on iPhone speakers). Especially on the chorus the band just don’t sound synced up.
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All I saw on the Facebook post were people commenting on how bad the mix was. Haven't heard the song yet. Is it that bad?
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All I saw on the Facebook post were people commenting on how bad the mix was. Haven't heard the song yet. Is it that bad?
Yes , but apparently there's a very inconsistent mix across the album , so some tracks sound a lot better than others ???
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That is extremely weird. :lol
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I don't know if this has anything to do with the final mix, but that YouTube video lists 5 different sound engineers for that one song (maybe all the instruments were tracked in separate places?). Wonder if the mixing was done by several different people as well resulting in an inconsistent album.
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Another new song has been released - "Let it Rain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDpx-jcdKA&t=1s
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This will be the first Journey album I'm not buying. Have not liked any of the new songs.
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This will be the first Journey album I'm not buying. Have not liked any of the new songs.
I enjoyed this one the most, even though it sounds the least like a classic Journey song (at least vocally to me). It's been hit-or-miss so far, which is a bummer considering this will likely be their last album right?
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Another new song has been released - "Let it Rain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDpx-jcdKA&t=1s
I thought I was listening to Lenny Kravitz.. :lol
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Yeah..........this album is shaping up as a total shambles in all departments.
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I enjoyed this one the most, even though it sounds the least like a classic Journey song (at least vocally to me). It's been hit-or-miss so far, which is a bummer considering this will likely be their last album right?
After Arnel joined, it really seemed like they hit the ground running with the 2008 album and the 2011 album. And then... we just stopped getting albums. I figured they just liked playing the classics live more. I was honestly surprised that this line-up is putting out another studio album after an eleven-year gap.
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If you didn’t tell me that was a Journey song I would have never guessed.
Different for sure.
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I enjoyed this one the most, even though it sounds the least like a classic Journey song (at least vocally to me). It's been hit-or-miss so far, which is a bummer considering this will likely be their last album right?
After Arnel joined, it really seemed like they hit the ground running with the 2008 album and the 2011 album. And then... we just stopped getting albums. I figured they just liked playing the classics live more. I was honestly surprised that this line-up is putting out another studio album after an eleven-year gap.
I remember hearing at some point that Neal Schon was disappointed by the reaction to Eclipse and decided to focus on the older material instead of releasing new albums. I have no idea if that is true or not and I don't have a source other than I heard/read it years ago somewhere.
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I thought it was Jonathan Cain who wanted to focus on just playing their catalog rather than writing new music.
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I think it’s correct and Neal was the one who wanted to release new material. That, among other things, was one of the main reasons for the tension between them in recent years.
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I listened to the new album a few days ago and still can't get over how shit the production is.
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I listened to half of it and fell asleep. Can‘t believe that this is the best they have to offer after so many years.
And yes, the production is awful.
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Rick Beato breaks down his favorite Journey song, which happens to be one of if not my favorite Journey songs as well, Still They Ride.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2e3H0-JyF-58181yoKbLNkWGQTHXLKNZbr4AOu4R2nPJhhQU6pjdQf2m8&v=YTTZStAK8Hk&feature=youtu.be
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Rick Beato breaks down his favorite Journey song, which happens to be one of if not my favorite Journey songs as well, Still They Ride.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2e3H0-JyF-58181yoKbLNkWGQTHXLKNZbr4AOu4R2nPJhhQU6pjdQf2m8&v=YTTZStAK8Hk&feature=youtu.be
Yep, saw that yesterday.
I always knew it was a great song (probably my favorite Journey song), but it's nice to see proof of how it's so awesome lol
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It's hard to beat Separate Ways though :P
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It's hard to beat Separate Ways though :P
Well, I’ve got a video to share for that too!
Steve Smith demos the drum parts for Separate Ways:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlhFv0CdGY
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It's hard to beat Separate Ways though :P
Well, I’ve got a video to share for that too!
Steve Smith demos the drum parts for Separate Ways:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlhFv0CdGY
Ha! You beat me to it. Watched this too, a few days ago. Love his drumming so much.
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Another new song has been released - "Let it Rain"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDpx-jcdKA&t=1s
I thought I was listening to Lenny Kravitz.. :lol
What the hell?? I would have never guessed this was Journey. Yikes.
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I listened to the new album today. Huge disappointment. Eclipse was a revelation for me. The new album is so boring to me.
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It’s great if people get enjoyment out of Journey as an ongoing venture, but I’m satisfied with the catalog up through when Perry left. I did pick up Eclipse just to give Arnel a chance, but it didn’t land for me.
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I think with Arnel and before that with Augeri they released some good records, not groundbreaking and not as good as Escape & Frontiers but still enjoyable. But this new one has nothing that is worth listening imo.
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IMO there is a mix of good/okay/bad tunes on the new record but the production is shit, and that's a big problem. Schon would have been better off not co-producing it and getting an external producer but I know that would never happen.
I am hoping they add more songs to their setlist because I think some of them will be good live. Hoping to catch a show if they tour in the fall or spring of '23.
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I tried. It’s bland and boring.
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I listened to a few songs from the new one...not my thing.
Eclipse was a really good record. The best with Arnel, in my opinion. And probably the best Journey record since Trial By Fire with Perry.
I have to be honest, the best Journey singer not named Steve Perry sits behind Journey's drum kit. And while I understand him being more comfortable there, and Arnel's story is wonderful and he's a good singer too, I can't get past it. Deen Castronovo is the guy who does the most justice to Steve Perry's parts. I mean, come on, Mother/Father is amazing. When I saw Neal Schon's Journey Through Time a few years back, it was incredible.
No shade at Arnel. The guy is a good singer, has a wonderful story, and I'm happy for him. But the new material that I've heard, it just...sits there. It's not very exciting.
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But that's not Arnel's fault. It's Schon and Cain's issue.
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Now Cain and Schon are going at it in court.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/jonathan-cain-responds-to-neal-schon-lawsuit-accuses-him-of-malicious-lies
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Shitshow. Cain looks guilty.
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After putting out the last record, they all are guilty. ;)
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Shitshow. Cain looks guilty.
Somewhere, Steve Perry is having a good laugh, to not only be away from the shitshow, but to still be getting paid when they tour. He's like the Bobby Bonilla of the rock world! :lol :lol
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Shitshow. Cain looks guilty.
Somewhere, Steve Perry is having a good laugh, to not only be away from the shitshow, but to still be getting paid when they tour. He's like the Bobby Bonilla of the rock world! :lol :lol
Don't Stop Receiving
Wait...how/why is Perry paid when they tour?
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Shitshow. Cain looks guilty.
Somewhere, Steve Perry is having a good laugh, to not only be away from the shitshow, but to still be getting paid when they tour. He's like the Bobby Bonilla of the rock world! :lol :lol
Don't Stop Receiving
Wait...how/why is Perry paid when they tour?
I can't remember the specifics, but it was an agreement they came to years ago where he gets paid a percentage every time they release a new studio album or tour. I think it drops each time, but it remains in place, IIRC. Neal Schon sounds like a complete idiot when it comes to managing money, so it's not surprising that he would have failed to see the long term disaster that would be and agreed to it.
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A new studio album? Wow, that is dumb. Perry is not even an original member.
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I don't think being an original member matters all that much, generally speaking. Perry was a part of their most iconic lineup, and that matters far more.
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Are they unable to play the songs he helped write live? Is that a thing?
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Are they unable to play the songs he helped write live? Is that a thing?
No, they can play anything they want. He just got a great deal when he was bought out. Perry made a power play before the Raised on Radio album and put him into the position to work out this deal.
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Yeah, I've been doing a little googling. It all seems so fucked.
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I don't think being an original member matters all that much, generally speaking. Perry was a part of their most iconic lineup, and that matters far more.
Perry’s still a board member of the Journey corporation I believe, and it dates back to his first stint in the band. Schon has basically been clashing with everyone over everything lately. He’s a guy who dropped out of school at a young age to join Santana, and I think you can sort of tell he’s not the smartest guy in the world when he talks.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-neal-schon-steve-perry/
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So originally Schon filed a lawsuit against Cain to get access to an Amex account, but it turns out he has access but is restricted from raising the spending limits? Wow.
Also I'm sure this behavior is more common (or has happened) with larger/established bands, but using a band account for personal spending is gross. It's a shame that this is happening as my wife and I were hoping to catch them on tour next year. :D
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Sounds like Schon and Cain need to go their separate ways.
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Sounds like Schon and Cain need to go their separate ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBgB-oKe0SM
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Sounds like Schon and Cain need to go their separate ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBgB-oKe0SM
Portnoy is such a BEAST!
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Sounds like Schon and Cain need to go their separate ways.
Yeah, I don't see them greeting each other with open arms anytime soon.
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Sounds like Schon and Cain need to go their separate ways.
Yeah, I don't see them greeting each other with open arms anytime soon.
(https://media.tenor.com/pmunnKFydxkAAAAC/jordan-klepper-opposition.gif)
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Sounds like Schon and Cain need to go their separate ways.
Yeah, I don't see them greeting each other with open arms anytime soon.
Guess The Party's Over.... ;D
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This is just a bunch of chain reactions with your posts.
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All of these lawsuits are just another trial by fire.
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I wasn't going to join in, but then I decided I was just feelin that way.
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STOP IT! You guys have crossed the Rubicon.
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STOP IT! You guys have crossed the Rubicon.
Don’t gimme no backtalk!
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I think we’ve really…opened the door…to something, anyway.
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It'll all make sense someday soon.
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It'll all make sense someday soon.
I'm Patiently waiting.
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When this is all over, I guess we’ll see who’s crying now.
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I guess their...journey...together is at an end.
Sorry, I don't know enough of their songs to be more clever.
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Anyway they want it, that’s the way they’ll get it.
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Guys, do you recall when this was a functioning band? :hat
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As soon as I entered this thread, I wanted to Escape :facepalm:
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Better get out now before it's....Too Late
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Faithfully, I don't stop believin' that after the fall they get together to play some music probably on a saturday nite.
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It looks like romdrums post set off a chain reaction.
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Yeah, this could go on and on and on and on…falling into infinity
<double word score?😀>
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Yeah, this could go on and on and on and on…falling into infinity
<double word score?😀>
We’re looking exclusively for Journey song titles here. So just keep it sweet and simple.
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It’s too late - he opened the door.
BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
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It’s too late - he opened the door.
BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
I was right here right now. Never seen that before.
Remember this family?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvhvdj4QyM
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It’s too late - he opened the door.
BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
I was right here right now. Never seen that before.
Remember this family?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvhvdj4QyM
IIRC …they literally live in my town. Maple Valley Washington about 30ish miles Southeast of Seattle.
Guess they just figured that that they CAN DO what they want to.
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It’s too late - he opened the door.
BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
I was right here right now. Never seen that before.
Remember this family?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvhvdj4QyM
IIRC …they literally live in my town. Maple Valley Washington about 30ish miles Southeast of Seattle.
Guess they just figured that that they CAN DO what they want to.
:facepalm: oh Mother Father Sister Brother!
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Yeah, this could go on and on and on and on…falling into infinity
<double word score?😀>
We’re looking exclusively for Journey song titles here. So just keep it sweet and simple.
Where was that said? I thought I had the freedom to use album titles, having seen Escape and Trial By Fire mentioned earlier. There was no intentional departure from any unwritten rules here. If so, that is quite the revelation to me. ;) :D
It’s too late - he opened the door.
BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
That was my laugh of the month yesterday. And last night. And this morning.... :lol :lol :lol Such a great tune, but the first time I've ever 'enjoyed' what had to be one of the worst videos ever.
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BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
Ha! Where was I? Sitting right here at my desk a few minutes ago. That was great! And yes I think JD is right that family in the other video is from our area, I recall seeing a story about them in the local news.
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It’s too late - he opened the door.
BTW, where were you when you first saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8ffB9JU64
I don't have a specific recollection. But I can say with a high degree of confidence that it was likely in my parents' tv room.
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If we 'Look Into the Future' there is a chance 'Of A Lifetime' for Gregg Rolie 'To Play Some Music' again with Journey.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/neal-schon-wants-former-journey-keyboardist-gregg-rolie-to-return-for-2023-tour
I only own the first 3 albums so I'll only name tracks from them. I was kinda hoping he would fire up the Journey Through Time thing again as I would love to see some material from those early albums.
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If we 'Look Into the Future' there is a chance 'Of A Lifetime' for Gregg Rolie 'To Play Some Music' again with Journey.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/neal-schon-wants-former-journey-keyboardist-gregg-rolie-to-return-for-2023-tour
I only own the first 3 albums so I'll only name tracks from them. I was kinda hoping he would fire up the Journey Through Time thing again as I would love to see some material from those early albums.
Did they ever release those live shows? Whether video or audio?
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Sadly, I'm not aware of any release or I would have been all over it. I just searched and saw a setlist from one of the shows. They literally played just about every track I would have wanted to hear - I'm Gonna Leave You, Look Into The Future, Of A Lifetime, Kohoutek, Mystery Mountain. That would have been awesome to see.
EDIT: Man, I just watched an audience recording of Of A Lifetime from '18. Wish they would've toured a bit more.
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My local radio station is reporting that Schon is now hinting at reuniting with Rolie rather than continue to work with Cain.
Personally, that would have me far more excited for new material than anything else he could do at this point. But if Cain is a legal partner, I doubt it will happen easily if at all.
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Yeah, the other day, Schon tweeted that he wants to have Rolie on the road with him and Journey in 2023. Just go back out with Journey Through Time and forget about "Journey" proper.
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My local radio station is reporting that Schon is now hinting at reuniting with Rolie rather than continue to work with Cain.
Personally, that would have me far more excited for new material than anything else he could do at this point. But if Cain is a legal partner, I doubt it will happen easily if at all.
Don't Stop Beli...oh, we are done. sorry. Move on.
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School and Cain are at it again.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/journeys-jonathan-cain-facing-cease-desist-order-bandmate-performance-trump-event
Sad state of affairs for a band I used to love.
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The upcoming tour should be the "Worlds Apart" Tour.
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There is no way these guys tour together in '23 right? Which is even crazier because Journey has been booked for those venues (arenas) so the touring machine has probably all been finalized (paperwork, contracts, buses, staff etc).
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School and Cain are at it again.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/journeys-jonathan-cain-facing-cease-desist-order-bandmate-performance-trump-event
Sad state of affairs for a band I used to love.
Based on everything I continue to read, it sounds like there is plenty of blame to go around. Schon and Cain both sound like lovely human beings. :lol
Meanwhile, Steve Perry continues to sit at home and laugh and collect money from those idiots. :lol :lol
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And I'm guessing Arnel is sitting at home in the Philippines thinking "Ginawa kitang isalin ito. talunan"
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Ikaw bastard.
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And I'm guessing Arnel is sitting at home in the Philippines thinking "Ginawa kitang isalin ito. talunan"
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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hindi maganda yan hoser mo :D
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Well, Neal posted an image for the 50th anniversary tour. A fan responded and said Gregg should be there and Neal responded to him and said he will. Take that as you will.
He's essentially saying he fired Cain and replaced him with the original keyboard player.
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As he should. Cain has been a hindrance with the Journey family.
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I believe it when I see it. Not sure if Neal can just fire Cain.
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It would literally be the best move Journey has made since the 96 reunion.
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If they peppered in some of the Gregg era tracks I would consider seeing a show. Still not big on the Perry stuff. This is essentially the Journey Through Time band at this point since Gregg and Deen would both be there.
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I believe it when I see it. Not sure if Neal can just fire Cain.
He can't. The three principal owners of the Journey business are Schon, Cain, and believe it or not, Perry, who has not relinquished his rights - he gets a cut of everything, which is why he doesn't need to perform or do anything. This is going to get ugly. Schon and Cain are completely opposites politically (which is a big reason this has started), and musically, they have grown apart significantly. I remember on the Eclipse album, Cain hated it because it was heavier. Cain and Schon will get some sort of business divorce, but not before throwing the entire band through the mud.
I am a Journey fan, and I've tuned out. Not seeing the tour, I muted all their social accounts (and the individual ones). It's just such a shame. Journey Through Time was awesome (I caught that gig with my wife). Frankly, that's sort of what I feel like Schon wants to do, except having Arnel there too. But no way Cain goes quietly into the night. He's a smart dude, and knows that a long legal battle is ahead. One that he can probably afford, whereas Schon likely cannot (I doubt Cain is wrong about Schon's spending habits).
Buckle up, Journey fans. Or do like me, and keep track of it, but just mute their socials.
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Has anyone seen the YT footage of Steve Perry performing in NYC on NYE? He doesn't sound too bad (although the audio quality makes it pretty hard to know for sure). The one really noticeable wrinkle is his dentures. His "s"'s make it pretty obvious he's singing through false teeth. He looks pretty good, too, and looked like he was having a great time.
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Has anyone seen the YT footage of Steve Perry performing in NYC on NYE? He doesn't sound too bad (although the audio quality makes it pretty hard to know for sure). The one really noticeable wrinkle is his dentures. His "s"'s make it pretty obvious he's singing through false teeth. He looks pretty good, too, and looked like he was having a great time.
Just watched it… super happy to see him on stage.
What was the backstory on this? Was it a surprise one off? Surprised this wasn’t on blanbermouth.
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And now Perry has dropped his trademark claim. Schon’s comments make it sound like this is the beginning of he and Perry being back on good terms. And yet another confirmation that Rolie will be joining them on the upcoming tour.
The train wreck that I was determined to ignore is suddenly getting more interesting again.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/steve-perry-drops-journey-trademark-claim/?fbclid=IwAR0LW0X7e0UJ27sEw0_nj6R8UNbjqPKiKpX3LaSAH8Nyrm7ZaDbpJrODxlg
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Is this the footage you all are referring to? There is nothing from his official channels or any news sites about him performing. Is that really him? The comments are also turned off on the channel which is a little weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsywcY9JuCQ&ab_channel=yoichinyc
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Is this the footage you all are referring to? There is nothing from his official channels or any news sites about him performing. Is that really him? The comments are also turned off on the channel which is a little weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsywcY9JuCQ&ab_channel=yoichinyc
Agreed...I am blown away this wasn't on any of the news sites.
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Odd timing given what's going on with Journey. It could be and probably is just a one-off performance for fun. Or maybe he's testing out the pipes to go out with Schon and the other original members. Highly unlikely but who knows. They could fill arenas with Perry back.
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Is this the footage you all are referring to? There is nothing from his official channels or any news sites about him performing. Is that really him? The comments are also turned off on the channel which is a little weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsywcY9JuCQ&ab_channel=yoichinyc
He sounds good. Journey is one of those bands I wish I grew up and got into earlier. When I had the chance to see them, at that time I wrote them off as a "chick band". What a mistake.
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I had a hard time telling much about how he sounded from the videos. He seemed to be backing off the mic and just letting the crowd sing for most of the higher parts on Don’t Stop Believin.’ It’s cool to see him performing again, but I doubt he’d want to go out on a major tour at this point.
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To be honest, while it could be him, when I got a close up on his face, it doesn't look like Steve. Maybe he had work done? I also thought he fully embraced his gray hair, and obviously, this guy isn't gray.
He sounded okay if this is really Steve Perry. His face just...it looks off to me. Not sure why. If it is him, he wasn't bad.
I sent the clips over to my wife, who is a big fan as well. See what she thinks. It is awfully weird no one knew about this, and there's nothing official about it. Then again, Perry likes to do that.
Update: Wife agrees with me - that's not Steve Perry. It's someone pretending to be him.
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To be honest, while it could be him, when I got a close up on his face, it doesn't look like Steve. Maybe he had work done? I also thought he fully embraced his gray hair, and obviously, this guy isn't gray.
He sounded okay if this is really Steve Perry. His face just...it looks off to me. Not sure why. If it is him, he wasn't bad.
I sent the clips over to my wife, who is a big fan as well. See what she thinks. It is awfully weird no one knew about this, and there's nothing official about it. Then again, Perry likes to do that.
I had a similar thought for a moment during, I think it was "Faithfully". But he's got the mannerisms down pretty good (though anyone who has seen The Musical Box knows that's not impossible to recreate faithfully).
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I just updated my post. Yeah, that's not him. My wife agrees with me. Not him at all. Although he HAS obviously studied his mannerisms for sure.
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I just updated my post. Yeah, that's not him. My wife agrees with me. Not him at all. Although he HAS obviously studied his mannerisms for sure.
Yeah, I gave this a much closer look this morning, and I'm with your wife. This was a 'very' convincing tribute act...
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A tribute band would make more sense. This is the most recent photo of Perry from his twitter (from 11/24):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiVDj-xXEAA3hQS?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://mobile.twitter.com/steveperrymusic/status/1595755943878426626?s=46&t=4p_ZhyD4NfSUYI7_eeGZTw
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I kind of questioned if it was him as well. Something was off facially for me but the mannerisms were pretty spot on.
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These are a couple very recent pictures of Steve Perry in the studio with a band for whom he performed backing vocals, along with Jonathan Cain's daughter.
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/323432754_2054995861371993_7543266013393605522_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=6FeMWp_WKBYAX8IBndp&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AfA1bNhgjBTNmNzRp2gY0uJ86b1vUV2Kf2U_5L6e_Makng&oe=63C32C2B)
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/324142393_868791374322218_5718112098642605222_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600&_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=jHI4A-bUrloAX_T_kYw&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=00_AfDy9FIjGz300eu4qSBJqw9s1wm0CCy8C-fh1R3YfKHL8A&oe=63C19AE8)
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Guy in the blue shirt is Steve Lukather's son, Trev. The band was Zero Fucks Given (ZFG) then had to change names to Levara. Pretty good pop rock, catchy music. They had a fallout and now he's gone solo. He'll be releasing an album sometime this year. He seems he inherited his dad's musical genes from what I heard in Levara and a single he has released for his upcoming album. He married Johanthan's Cain daughter last year.
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CONFIRMED: https://www.voyageband.com
That's Hugo Valenti in that video. That band is no joke; the bassist was part of the Dougie White version of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow (I knew he looked familiar). The drummer plays in Gary Cherone's non-Extreme side band, Hurtsmile. Couple of them are Berkelee guys.
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Thanks, Stads.
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So Cain will be touring with the band next month (Schon confirmed this in a response to a fan). Wonder if they've settled their business issues or if they are ongoing lol.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/jonathan-cain-says-he-will-be-on-tour-with-journey-next-month
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Greg Rollie joined the band for the encore last night, and they played “Of A Lifetime,” along with several other Rollie era tunes as well as Santana’s “Black Magic Woman.” Wonder when the last time they played “Of A Lifetime” was. Pretty cool.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-gregg-rolie-austin/
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Greg Rollie joined the band for the encore last night, and they played “Of A Lifetime,” along with several other Rollie era tunes as well as Santana’s “Black Magic Woman.” Wonder when the last time they played “Of A Lifetime” was. Pretty cool.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-gregg-rolie-austin/
I saw that. Very cool. One of my coolest memories is seeing Schon-Rollie-Castronovo do "Journey Through Time" a few years back. Was a great evening of old Journey and some Perry-era classics.
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That's neat. Early Journey, and especially Of a Lifetime, is my favorite Journey. It still knocks me over when I hear it now.
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https://ultimateclassicrock.com/neal-schon-journey-through-time-live-album/
Finally!
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Yeah, I'm all over that. Never heard Deen sing before, dude's not bad.
Okay, little pissed with Frontiers. 3 CD / DVD set and the Blu all by itself. I don't want a freakin' DVD!
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I might have to check that out. Journey was a favorite band of mine long, long ago.
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Sounds pretty cool and great setlist!
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Looking forward to that!
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New Journey was shit but this is a nice setlist. Might be worth a try.
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It’s about time! I’m in!
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https://ultimateclassicrock.com/neal-schon-journey-through-time-live-album/
Finally!
Listening to this now.
Hey, if you like Journey, especially older Journey, this is for you.
It's not perfect - definitely a few rough spots. But hey, it's a live performance, and it mostly rocks my face.
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Yes, it's not perfect, but it is AMAZING! Loving Deen's performances!!
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I saw the tour they did. February 2019. It was amazing. Deen had a bad cold, and still absolutely killed it. Fun show all the way around.
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Sigh, well, I guess we can expect to not see anymore Journey Through Time shows.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/gregg-rolie-journey-through-time/
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"And Journey pulls even with Fleetwood Mac at the final turn!!"
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I was at douche Brett Michaels Party concert last night and Steve Augeri sang 3 Journey songs. It amazed me how many idiot fans thought it was Steve Perry.
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Sigh, well, I guess we can expect to not see anymore Journey Through Time shows.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/gregg-rolie-journey-through-time/
UGH! Has there been a cease and desist order on new sales? I hadn’t picked this up yet, but I guess I better before it goes out of print.
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Sigh, well, I guess we can expect to not see anymore Journey Through Time shows.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/gregg-rolie-journey-through-time/
UGH! Has there been a cease and desist order on new sales? I hadn’t picked this up yet, but I guess I better before it goes out of print.
Well, it's a Frontiers release and they tend not to be in print for very long anyway, at least from what I have seen. Amazon is out of stock on the CD/DVD set but still has the Blu-ray. Laser CD, where I got it, is out of stock completely. The Frontiers US store has both in stock, it appears.
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I was at douche Brett Michaels Party concert last night and Steve Augeri sang 3 Journey songs. It amazed me how many idiot fans thought it was Steve Perry.
I honestly thought Augeri sounded pretty bad too. He had good moments and sounds a lot like Perry, but really missed on a lot of the vocals.
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I was at douche Brett Michaels Party concert last night and Steve Augeri sang 3 Journey songs. It amazed me how many idiot fans thought it was Steve Perry.
I honestly thought Augeri sounded pretty bad too. He had good moments and sounds a lot like Perry, but really missed on a lot of the vocals.
He was good. But I know going in that any singer in their 50's plus will not hit their notes anymore.
Besides, he had surgery on his vocal chords. That's why Journey. Over on from him.
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By the way, I bought the DVD/3CD version of "Journey Through Time" from Amazon, and I sort of get why Gregg might be a little pissed. It's under Neal's name only.
This is the cover, which has Gregg Rolie's name in slightly larger font:
(https://i.imgur.com/aKtWNVc.jpg)
But everything else (including the spine) has only Neal Schon's name:
(https://i.imgur.com/8TEJ6tW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9uQuMfk.jpg)
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But wasn't the tour always billed as "Neal Schon's Journey Through Time"? It certainly wasn't "Neal Schon and Gregg Rollie's Journey Through Time." It's Neal's release, so why wouldn't it have his name on it at the top?
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I'm more of the thinking that that was a Frontiers thing. They probably figured putting Neal's name in big letters would be more marketable. When I ripped the audio, I set the artist as Journey Through Time. Of course, Neal hasn't looked great in the press lately so it could have been him for all I know. Just glad this was released either way seeing as yet another bridge might have been burned.
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I'm not arguing either way, I just sort of assumed it was a band thing, "Journey Through Time", not "Neal Schon's Journey Through Time". I thought part of the attraction was Neal and Gregg together again, and so thought it was sort of... I don't know. Not misleading, but maybe less than generous?
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It looks like the artwork for the CD/DVD is the same image that they have been using since 2018 (branded as "Neal Schon's Journey Through Time).
https://twitter.com/JourneyThTime/status/1075199073366495234?s=20
And here is a tour advertisement from 2019:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw0EokdWoAIW-R2?format=jpg&name=small)
So Gregg's name is a little bigger on the CD art than on the tour art!
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Well, that blows my theory out of the water. Nothing new to see here! :) :) :) :)
Psyched to hear this though; that song list is amazing (30 songs!).
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Well, that blows my theory out of the water. Nothing new to see here! :) :) :) :)
Psyched to hear this though; that song list is amazing (30 songs!).
I am interested to hear how you like it. Not sure if it's something I would spring for, but if the performance is good I may at least stream it and see.
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This is random and not related to anything other than I just saw this 1980 Kansas album cover for the first time (that I know of).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Kansas_-_Audio-Visions.jpg)
I even checked, but it wasn’t the same guy who illustrated Frontiers. Seems like this couldn’t be a total coincidence, given the popularity of both bands and their familiarity with each other.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Jfrontiers.jpg)
Maybe it was partly turn about for I’m Gonna Leave You/Carry On Wayward Son, though I think Perry kind of took over the direction of the artwork on this one (and he wasn’t in the band when they did I’m Gonna Leave You so I doubt he cared).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtgvZreimGI over here we have Rick Beato analysing Neal Schon's solo during Send Her My Love, smart chord structure and note choice
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Everyone else is watching the Super Bowl this evening, but I put together a playlist of "prog" Journey songs to listen to instead!. Partly inspired by finally picking up a copy of the Dream, After Dream soundtrack, which really is an essential listen if you haven't heard it.
Intentionally avoiding some of the more well-known songs that could be described as a little proggy (for instance, I always thought Stone in Love took a pretty proggy turn on the outro). Also wanted to include something from every album of the original Rollie and Perry run, so some of these are a bit more "unusual" or non-standard pop/rock than prog, but you get the idea.
1. Of A Liftetime
2. Kahoutek
3. Topez
4. Look Into the Future
5. People
6. Nickel & Dime
7. Cookie Duster
8. Winds of March
9. Daydream
10-11. Departure/Good Morning Girl
12. Destiny
13. Sandcastles
14. Moon Theme
15. Little Girl
16. Mother, Father
17. La Raza del Sol
18. Troubled Child
19. Frontiers
20. The Eyes of a Woman
21. One More
22. Trial by Fire
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Frontiers would have been the best Journey album with this track list (it might be anyway):
1. Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
2. Send Her My Love
3. Only The Young
4. Faithfully
5. Only Solutions
6. Edge of the Blade
7. Troubled Child
8. Ask The Lonely
9. Frontiers
10. Rubicon
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Not the biggest Journey fan but Frontiers is spectacular.
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I would give the nod to Escape for best Journey album but Frontiers is close.
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Frontiers would have been the best Journey album with this track list (it might be anyway):
1. Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
2. Send Her My Love
3. Only The Young
4. Faithfully
5. Only Solutions
6. Edge of the Blade
7. Troubled Child
8. Ask The Lonely
9. Frontiers
10. Rubicon
I'll second this!
I will never understand how anyone involved with the band heard 'Only the Young' and didn't immediately think it belonged on the album.
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Daydream is an underrated gem. Love that song.
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Daydream is an underrated gem. Love that song.
Yes! Very cool song, and the only song I can think of where Journey employed that sort of synth sound.
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Everyone else is watching the Super Bowl this evening, but I put together a playlist of "prog" Journey songs to listen to instead!. Partly inspired by finally picking up a copy of the Dream, After Dream soundtrack, which really is an essential listen if you haven't heard it.
Intentionally avoiding some of the more well-known songs that could be described as a little proggy (for instance, I always thought Stone in Love took a pretty proggy turn on the outro). Also wanted to include something from every album of the original Rollie and Perry run, so some of these are a bit more "unusual" or non-standard pop/rock than prog, but you get the idea.
1. Of A Liftetime
2. Kahoutek
3. Topez
4. Look Into the Future
5. People
6. Nickel & Dime
7. Cookie Duster
8. Winds of March
9. Daydream
10-11. Departure/Good Morning Girl
12. Destiny
13. Sandcastles
14. Moon Theme
15. Little Girl
16. Mother, Father
17. La Raza del Sol
18. Troubled Child
19. Frontiers
20. The Eyes of a Woman
21. One More
22. Trial by Fire
Do you have the live album that Neal and Gregg did not long ago? It - as the kids say - SLAPS and it's got a bunch of the older, proggier songs.
And I'm sorry, but in terms of song form and construction, "Don't Stop Believin'" is as prog as it gets. 3:00 in before you get even close to the chorus? A pre-chorus with no chorus? A chorus only played once? Verses with four lines and a chorus - when it gets there - with only three lines?
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Do you have the live album that Neal and Gregg did not long ago? It - as the kids say - SLAPS and it's got a bunch of the older, proggier songs.
Yes. Very good stuff.
And I'm sorry, but in terms of song form and construction, "Don't Stop Believin'" is as prog as it gets. 3:00 in before you get even close to the chorus? A pre-chorus with no chorus? A chorus only played once? Verses with four lines and a chorus - when it gets there - with only three lines?
???
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Everyone else is watching the Super Bowl this evening, but I put together a playlist of "prog" Journey songs to listen to instead!. Partly inspired by finally picking up a copy of the Dream, After Dream soundtrack, which really is an essential listen if you haven't heard it.
Intentionally avoiding some of the more well-known songs that could be described as a little proggy (for instance, I always thought Stone in Love took a pretty proggy turn on the outro). Also wanted to include something from every album of the original Rollie and Perry run, so some of these are a bit more "unusual" or non-standard pop/rock than prog, but you get the idea.
1. Of A Liftetime
2. Kahoutek
3. Topez
4. Look Into the Future
5. People
6. Nickel & Dime
7. Cookie Duster
8. Winds of March
9. Daydream
10-11. Departure/Good Morning Girl
12. Destiny
13. Sandcastles
14. Moon Theme
15. Little Girl
16. Mother, Father
17. La Raza del Sol
18. Troubled Child
19. Frontiers
20. The Eyes of a Woman
21. One More
22. Trial by Fire
Do you have the live album that Neal and Gregg did not long ago? It - as the kids say - SLAPS and it's got a bunch of the older, proggier songs.
And I'm sorry, but in terms of song form and construction, "Don't Stop Believin'" is as prog as it gets. 3:00 in before you get even close to the chorus? A pre-chorus with no chorus? A chorus only played once? Verses with four lines and a chorus - when it gets there - with only three lines?
I don’t have it, but have been meaning to check it out.
As for leaving Don’t Stop Believin’ off, as I said I was trying to stay away from the hits, even though I agree there is a lot of sophistication and even some progginess in those (Separate Ways is another).
The impetuous for this was actually Steven Wilson’s podcast where he was talking about how he doesn’t really know any Journey. I started thinking about how there is probably a good chunk of the Journey catalog that he would find interesting, particularly the pre-Perry stuff and Dream, After Dream. But then I started thinking how Journey always kept just enough of that prog element to be interesting from album to album. In fact I’d say Journey did a good job of “progressing” from album to album in the sense that they didn’t totally repeat themselves. Maybe not so much on the Infinity-Departure run, but certainly Escape, Frontiers, and Raised on Radio showed the band trying new things with each release.
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Yeah, setting aside my thoughts on Wilson, I totally agree with Stadler, but not just with "Don't Stop Believin'"
I think the entire Escape album is full on prog...and a good portion of Frontiers as well. The idea that the band abandoned their ability to rock simply because they figured out how to craft a hit is kinda crazy to me, especially if you take a look at Escape as a whole.
As for Wilson–go ahead and continue to claim you've don't know any Journey (or that you dislike the 'prog' tag, or watever), it's your loss my man. :metal
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The Journey Through Time set is a great release. I saw that tour they did, and it was amazing. I have to admit, I'm not a huge fan of the first three Journey albums, but it was a treat seeing and hearing that stuff live. And Deen did the Perry era stuff so much justice.
I've been a big Journey fan for a long time. My favorite records are probably Escape and Trial By Fire, but I really enjoy the hell out of the entire Perry catalog. I thought Steve Augeri was a great addition to the band. I have the first edition of the Red 13 EP he did with them (which was autographed by all), and loved "Remember Me," the single that started off that era. I have to admit, while I liked Arrival, it was a bit ballad-heavy to my ears. And Generations...some good stuff. Enjoyed "Faith in the Heartland" and some others. I thought Steve Augeri got the absolute shaft. He had vocal issues, and the band wasn't willing to wait for him to address them. (That sound familiar to anyone who has been a Journey fan?)
Talk about getting the shaft - I really loved the addition of Jeff Scott Soto. I felt with JSS doing Journey, and then Deen behind the kit doing some of the songs as well, they had a one-two lead vocal punch that could really take Journey to a cool place. And instead, after JSS cancels all his stuff and prepares for the long haul with Journey, they sack him. I lost complete respect for Schon and Cain after that.
As much as I think most people love the heartwarming story of Arnel Pineda, I was absolutely horrified they re-recorded all of Journey's hits with him. Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Arnel. He's not Perry (who the hell is?), but I like him. I thought Eclipse was a great record. Best full album since Trial By Fire. But I just can't see Journey again. Not after what Neil and Jonathan did to Perry, Augeri, and JSS. And then their internal money squabbles and BS. Just pass.
But the legendary music itself...journeys on. And I'm forever a fan. Great stuff. The prog tinges throughout the catalog are superb, and really, it's what really keeps me coming back to their music. It's not just syrupy choruses. A lot of great prog moments, vocal acrobatics, and just great ear candy throughout.
p.s. add me to the list of those who love Frontiers. Great record.
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Right there with you on almost all of that, other than some of the stuff with Soto. While I am a Soto fan, I was skeptical whether he would be a good fit vocally for Journey, and seeing them live with him confirmed that for me. But, yes, he did get absolutely shafted by the band in terms of how they handled that. Seems to be "business as usual" in terms of how they treat people.
I got to see Journey with Augeri twice, and they were terrific shows. The first was 2003 when they did a package tour with Styx and REO, and it was a very similar set to the one on their Journey 2001 DVD (although shorter, since they had two opening acts). I was blown away by how good Augeri sounded. His voice wasn't as strong as Perry's, but he did a more than competent job. The second time was on the Generations tour where they played two full sets with an intermission. The first was rarely played songs with emphasis on the pre-Perry albums, with some of the new album sprinkled in, and a hit or two to close it out. The second set was a more "traditional" hits set with all the songs everybody knows. Augeri was a bit pitchy at time and didn't go for all the notes, but still sounded good overall. I'm not sure if the struggles were due to the longer sets on a full tour or if he was having vocal issues. But, again, he did just fine overall, and I thought it was a pretty solid performance.
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Sorry, may not be popular here, and I haven't heard a note of anything he did with the band, but I can't see Jeff with Journey.
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Sorry, may not be popular here, and I haven't heard a note of anything he did with the band, but I can't see Jeff with Journey.
I saw him live with them in 2006. I thought the combination of him and Deen handling lead vocals really provided some great depth and dynamics. I don't think JSS alone would work, but the combo between the two of them was really cool. At the time, I think the thought was that they'd be more experimental and dynamic. But they reneged on the idea and their agreement with JSS, and went looking for a singer, which ended up being Arnel. Worked out for Journey. I just thought that combo of JSS/Deen Castronovo would have been cool.
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I've not seen Journey with JSS but I've heard some bootlegs and sorry, he just didn't fit imo, even paired with Deen Castronovo. It's almost like replacing Bruce Dickinson with Blaze Bailey.
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"I'll Be Alright Without You" (with Jeff Scott Soto) - 2006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFvx49OU2o
Sounds amazing to my ears. It's a bit different. But you also have to remember, JSS had zero time to prep. he literally jumped on tour so Journey didn't have to cancel dates. I've always thought this was great, and he would have gotten his voice in even better shape had this become permanent. Love the bluesy quality. You can hear Deen, Ross, Jon, and Neal harmonizing in the chorus, and then JSS comes back in. Really good performance.
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"I'll Be Alright Without You" (with Jeff Scott Soto) - 2006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFvx49OU2o
Sounds amazing to my ears. It's a bit different. But you also have to remember, JSS had zero time to prep. he literally jumped on tour so Journey didn't have to cancel dates. I've always thought this was great, and he would have gotten his voice in even better shape had this become permanent. Love the bluesy quality. You can hear Deen, Ross, Jon, and Neal harmonizing in the chorus, and then JSS comes back in. Really good performance.
It was a fine performance, and maybe he could have been the guy to run with the gig, but I don't feel like Journey really missed out on anything here. I feel like he had to sing different than he normally does for this, and while it's good I'm not sure it's the way I'd prefer to hear those songs.
Anyway, I have never really had any interest in hearing Journey without Steve Perry, and certainly have less interest in ever in the circus the band has become. Glad they still have an audience for what they are doing, but I'm content with the run up through Trial by Fire, which was absolutely amazing.
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That was better than I was expecting.
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Anyway, I have never really had any interest in hearing Journey without Steve Perry, and certainly have less interest in ever in the circus the band has become. Glad they still have an audience for what they are doing, but I'm content with the run up through Trial by Fire, which was absolutely amazing.
I am too, and that's generally what I listen to, other than some Augeri tracks, and City of Hope, which has Arnel. But I've always had a thing about JSS' time fronting Journey, and what I believe it ultimately could have been, which is by far greater, creatively, than what they've done with Arnel. But Cain and Schon decided to be legacy, and for that, Arnel was fine at the time. Although I find it funny that on City of Hope, they went the direction I figured they would with JSS. :lol
That was better than I was expecting.
I don't like bad things. :lol
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One Journey song I've always thought was excellent was Message of Love. Journey at that point wasn't getting much airplay but that's their best 80's song that wasn't released in the 80's. Would've been perfect on Raised on Radio.
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One Journey song I've always thought was excellent was Message of Love. Journey at that point wasn't getting much airplay but that's their best 80's song that wasn't released in the 80's. Would've been perfect on Raised on Radio.
I definitely heard that one on the radio around the time of that release. That song is very similar to Separate Ways (Worlds Apart), but still very cool.
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One Journey song I've always thought was excellent was Message of Love. Journey at that point wasn't getting much airplay but that's their best 80's song that wasn't released in the 80's. Would've been perfect on Raised on Radio.
One of my favs from Trial By Fire.
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That was the 1st single released to rock radio.
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I really love Steve Smith's drumming on Trial By Fire. I hate that there doesn't seem to be any footage of him playing any of that stuff anywhere. One More is really great.