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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Ħ on May 15, 2011, 12:53:06 AM
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I am actually thinking that it has this potential. There are more factors than ever going for it. For one, they have more fans than they'd ever had. The documentary has nearly a million view on youtube and it really hasn't been out that long. Second, they've got one of the most talented drummers in the world (and all the "drama" and attention that has accompanied it. Third, Roadrunner has, to my knowledge, become the main label for the metal scene. Fourth, we have sort of entered a "Rock Band" culture where instrumental skill has become something people have started to cherish.
I think the time is better than any other (except perhaps the time period around IAW) for them to make it big.
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If the album has some shorter songs, it could help out the band a little bit more. Maybe BC&SL had that potential if it had cut down on the lengthy tracks
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Depends what 'mainstream' is. If it's radio play then they'll never be mainstream. If it's more fans than ever and possibly a Top 5 debut on the Billboards (BCSL was 6), then it's probably likely.
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It's hard to define mainstream, but in general I mean "popular enough to where most people have at least heard of them."
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I am actually thinking that it has this potential. There are more factors than ever going for it. For one, they have more fans than they'd ever had. The documentary has nearly a million view on youtube and it really hasn't been out that long. Second, they've got one of the most talented drummers in the world (and all the "drama" and attention that has accompanied it. Third, Roadrunner has, to my knowledge, become the main label for the metal scene. Fourth, we have sort of entered a "Rock Band" culture where instrumental skill has become something people have started to cherish.
I think the time is better than any other (except perhaps the time period around IAW) for them to make it big.
Just in case, but the documentary - the 3 parts together- have nearly 2 million views.
As far as becoming more widespread, yes. Mainstream, no.
B.Lee
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It will all depend on whether or not they finally get that elusive shot at Conan O'Brian.
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I can't imagine them getting "mainstream" mainstream... but Faith No More, Tool, Megadeth kind of level? They're already well on their way.
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
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In a selfish way, I hope not.
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It will all depend on whether or not they finally get that elusive shot at Conan O'Brian.
Oh my God, I would love this to happen. :metal
And I would like DT11 to be their breakthrough album.
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
They already have.
Wither you like it or not.
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I think a lot more people will be picking this album up because of everything that has went down since BC&SL.
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Second, they've got one of the most talented drummers in the world
Because they didn't have one with Portnoy?
One doesn't conquer mainstream media with great drummers, but with radio hit songs with simple, memorable choruses.
But seriously - Who fucking cares for the mainstream?
The mainstream music lies in opposition to ambitious music, and DT is the latter.
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Just in the metal/rock community, I'd say.
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Wither you like it or not.
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After all these records, and knowing their history as well as I do (and many here also do), I really want this to be a huge mainstream success. They deserve it.
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Jeez I hope not :S It would be like Falling Into Infinity all over again...
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It will all depend on whether or not they finally get that elusive shot at Conan O'Brian.
If we all, as a group, start tweeting Conan and suggesting Dream Theater, it could, potentially, happen
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Jeez I hope not :S It would be like Falling Into Infinity all over again...
:facepalm:
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Just in the metal/rock community, I'd say.
This this!
I'd really want them to earn more esteem in the metal community, where they are often regarded as the corny "1 billion notes per second without any feel for the music" prog rockers, which is so unfair to them.
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
These Walls, Forsaken, Wither, and many others would like a word with you.
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
These Walls, Forsaken, Wither, and many others would like a word with you.
These Walls? Seriously?
Anyway, the general public, which has no idea these songs even existed would like to have a word with you ;]
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This is their time to shine.
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Hard to say, personally I feel like Systematic Chaos was a breakthrough into the mainstream, mostly because it got a lot more attention here in Sweden (at least) compared to earlier albums.
When BC&SL was released, it pretty much continued that way.
Guess Roadrunner has to do with it.
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
These Walls I Walk Beside You, Forsaken, Wither, and many others would like a word with you.
Fixed.
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Second, they've got one of the most talented drummers in the world
Because they didn't have one with Portnoy?
One doesn't conquer mainstream media with great drummers, but with radio hit songs with simple, memorable choruses.
But seriously - Who fucking cares for the mainstream?
The mainstream music lies in opposition to ambitious music, and DT is the latter.
Not necessarily. Look how unconventional Tool and SOAD are and they got TONS of mainstream media exposure.
As for the topic of whether DT11 could be their second big break into the mainstream, I think that if it hits number 1 on Billboard (of course, it depends on what else comes out that week and assumes that no famous controversial pop singer dies) then they'll get plenty of press, but unless they have a really successful single I don't see it happening.
Though speaking of successful singles the first time I heard a DT song in an outside environment was in a Best Buy when the store was playing it on the radio. I thought that was pretty cool. So I agree with Rob that they're on their way already to a FNM/Megadeth kind of popularity (except I think DT played a bigger venue in Asheville compared to the one Megadeth played for their RiP 20th anniversary tour).
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I never looked on DT like on mainstream band, but anyway in Poland you say Dream Theater, and you see happyness, there one not many people who haven't heard of DT... big fan base in here :metal
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As a few people in here have said, I think they have a really good shot at becoming really big in rock/metal circles. As for mainstream radio play, even if the album is really successful and they have a few songs that would be perfect for it, I doubt it will happen.
These days, between obscure and mainstream, there's an ever-growing third category. DT is already quite successful by the standards of that category, and could certainly become one of the biggest non-mainstream bands out there.
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It will all depend on whether or not they finally get that elusive shot at Conan O'Brian.
If we all, as a group, start tweeting Conan and suggesting Dream Theater, it could, potentially, happen
really? i always thought DT was "big" enough to play one of the late night shows (maybe late late,) i just thought the band never considered it a good platform for them. i mean, even playing one of their shorter singles, i still have a hard time seeing them on a small stage like that.
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If The Mountain Goats are big enough to play Letterman...
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It will all depend on whether or not they finally get that elusive shot at Conan O'Brian.
If we all, as a group, start tweeting Conan and suggesting Dream Theater, it could, potentially, happen
really? i always thought DT was "big" enough to play one of the late night shows (maybe late late,) i just thought the band never considered it a good platform for them. i mean, even playing one of their shorter singles, i still have a hard time seeing them on a small stage like that.
There's also the chance of them just going on for an interview or something. Ever since the whole Team Coco/Twitter thing, Conan kinda lives by Twitter. Just a little bit. So I imagine a small campaign of twitting DT related stuff to Conan could get his attention. With enough popular demand, he might try to book them. I could see them doing the last interview of the night and then preforming right after.
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as far as britain is concerned i think they should play a couple of thier shorter songs on the jules holand show i would love to see that!!!! :yarr
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I guess this will be a kind of make/break album for dt
People will say, told ya so dt sucks without mp ,mp is dt etc and
People will say this is the best album dt ever made or brst since...insert album title
Ainstream nah dt just isnt mainstream even when they try they cant and i love m for it :hat
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There's also the chance of them just going on for an interview or something. Ever since the whole Team Coco/Twitter thing, Conan kinda lives by Twitter. Just a little bit. So I imagine a small campaign of twitting DT related stuff to Conan could get his attention. With enough popular demand, he might try to book them. I could see them doing the last interview of the night and then preforming right after.
I have no twitter account, but I hope some of you that have one will be into it. :tup :tup :tup
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I also don't have a twitter account, but those who do should try that. It's definitely worth a shot.
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If I knew how to actually use my Twitter, I'd do it. i don't know how to like, tag people and shit. I don't know the ins and outs of Twitter. If someone could give me a crash course, I'd be in. We'd need plenty of people though.
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just put @ then type thier user name direcly after :tup
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
These Walls, Forsaken, Wither, and many others would like a word with you.
Sure they've written one or two per album, I meant they won't write a whole album of them.
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Not necessarily. Look how unconventional Tool and SOAD are and they got TONS of mainstream media exposure.
That's a good point.
But it's not really surprising SOAD has made it to mainstream when you look at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzd9KyIDrM
"Everybody's goin to the party... have a real good time" hmm :-)
That's obviously only the part of who they are - the other part being the angry, rebelious rock part.
And I think that's the element Dream Theater has always been missing and it hindered them at making that leap forward. They are a rock/metal band, but miss the rebelious element that would appeal to a wider mainstream rock audience.
Both SOAD and Tool (as well as the other metal bands that got into the mainstream in the last decade like Korn, Slipknot, Avenged Sevenfold and Limp Bizkit) filled the void in the mainstream music that there will always be for rock bands in general. They answered the demand for angry, raging or somewhat dark and introspective rock music that appeals to legions of young people, who are the largest consumer group in popular music.
This requires ballsy music and usually also a charismatic leader (or the whole general outfit of the band being very "to the point").
In that respect, and in comparison to the aformentioned, DT to a large extent look like your dad's favourite rock band from the 80s.
The other niche for rock bands is that occupied by bands like Bon Jovi, Nickelback and the likes - corny rockers specializing in sweet ballads and romantic songs. Musically, it'd be no problem for DT to pull that off with a single. But this could always potentially do more harm to their core fanbase that obtain large amounts of new fans, because obviously the album would contain music vastly different from what such single would indicate...
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I don't know if their new album will be more mainstream I suppose the buiggest thing it depends on is track length! :laugh:
It was a long time before DT toured Australia, and that was back in 2008 with SC, and I would say that would be the most mainstream of late.
I think the drummer auditions have had so many views from DT fans watching it again and again :smiley: and drummers from all over the world wanting to watch some great drummers palying some different stuff....the audition videos were genies on DT's part and I bet it has won them some new fans.
I suppose time will tell really, if we have to wait for fall (Is that September in America?) by then a lot of hype over the auditions will have wound down. :)
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I just tweeted a link of Metropolis Pt.1 to Conan.
Anyone who wants join me in helping bring the band to his attention, Feel free.
I can't do it alone but as a community, we can do this! :tup
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Jamhet, I'm not the biggest SOAD fan, but I know enough to know that specific line from BYOB means nothing about "partying" in the traditional sense. :P But I do agree that bands with a more rebellious edge definitely get them in the mainstream. Besides the whole Twilight thing, I think that's definitely a factor in Muse's recent success in the US (and their success in Europe since 2002).
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I just tweeted a link of Metropolis Pt.1 to Conan.
Anyone who wants join me in helping bring the band to his attention, Feel free.
I can't do it alone but as a community, we can do this! :tup
I have a twitter account and will help as well. Let's also try to get #DT11 to trend!
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i'm sure the band isnt against the "platform" of live TV...infact, i thought they were nearly book'd to play a televised show circa SDOIT-era. not sure what happened, but its entirely possibly they just couldnt fit mike's kit into the studio.
as for getting to be as big as megadave...i thought they were already bigger than megadave & the dethboyz.
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Ugh. If DT turns too mainstream.. I'll probably go into rage mode more than a few times over nublet fans fails about the band.
Ultimate hipster crap from me, I know lol.
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Second, they've got one of the most talented drummers in the world
Because they didn't have one with Portnoy?
One doesn't conquer mainstream media with great drummers, but with radio hit songs with simple, memorable choruses.
But seriously - Who fucking cares for the mainstream?
The mainstream music lies in opposition to ambitious music, and DT is the latter.
Not necessarily. Look how unconventional Tool and SOAD are and they got TONS of mainstream media exposure.
As for the topic of whether DT11 could be their second big break into the mainstream, I think that if it hits number 1 on Billboard (of course, it depends on what else comes out that week and assumes that no famous controversial pop singer dies) then they'll get plenty of press, but unless they have a really successful single I don't see it happening.
Though speaking of successful singles the first time I heard a DT song in an outside environment was in a Best Buy when the store was playing it on the radio. I thought that was pretty cool. So I agree with Rob that they're on their way already to a FNM/Megadeth kind of popularity (except I think DT played a bigger venue in Asheville compared to the one Megadeth played for their RiP 20th anniversary tour).
I really like this post.
I don't think becoming mainstream means that they have to fit into the mold of the current mainstream. Lots of bands have sort of defined the mainstream, even though they didn't compromise their sound (like the Beatles, and Tool, and Metallica).
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if by mainstream, you mean embraced by pop culture, then no.
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It's as I said earlier. Largely thanks to a combination of the internet, and metal fan loyalty, there's a third category now between mainstream and obscure, where you can be quite successful without being a mainstream act. Dream Theater are a prime example. It's a great place to be, because you can have success without compromising to fit mainstream expectations.
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dream theater is mainstream enough to get hated on by hipsters. i think that's about as popular as they'll get.
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I just tweeted a link of Metropolis Pt.1 to Conan.
Anyone who wants join me in helping bring the band to his attention, Feel free.
I can't do it alone but as a community, we can do this! :tup
We'd be better of sending him tweets saying something about how they've recently gone though a big line up change, they have a new album releasing fairly soon and it's going to be huge, he should have them on, etc. Not something that comes off too fanboy. But has some real excitement to it. I'm about to head to bed, but I'll start a thread in the morning to try to kinda orgnize something.
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Not necessarily. Look how unconventional Tool and SOAD are and they got TONS of mainstream media exposure.
Both SOAD and Tool (as well as the other metal bands that got into the mainstream in the last decade like Korn, Slipknot, Avenged Sevenfold and Limp Bizkit)
i stopped reading your post saying that AX7 and limp bizkit are metal bands.....
a distorted guitar doesn't autom. mean your metal.....
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Not necessarily. Look how unconventional Tool and SOAD are and they got TONS of mainstream media exposure.
Both SOAD and Tool (as well as the other metal bands that got into the mainstream in the last decade like Korn, Slipknot, Avenged Sevenfold and Limp Bizkit)
i stopped reading your post saying that AX7 and limp bizkit are metal bands.....
a distorted guitar doesn't autom. mean your metal.....
Having short hair and not adhering to the silly tr00 metal \m/ ethos (including dress code) doesn't mean you're not metal.
Try to get out of these silly ideological constraints for a moment, because the point of this classification is that in the general public's perception, those bands unquestionably go beyond what is commonly perceived as rock music. Which effectively is pretty much pop music played on guitars.
The aggressivity, heaviness, violent or dark lyrical themes, high appreciation for the technical skills of the instrumentalists and this peculiar element of "danger" are qualities shared by all of those bands, qualities that historically have always differentiated rock and metal bands.
Have this and calm down :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2F5piurv-0
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Not necessarily. Look how unconventional Tool and SOAD are and they got TONS of mainstream media exposure.
Both SOAD and Tool (as well as the other metal bands that got into the mainstream in the last decade like Korn, Slipknot, Avenged Sevenfold and Limp Bizkit)
i stopped reading your post saying that AX7 and limp bizkit are metal bands.....
a distorted guitar doesn't autom. mean your metal.....
Having short hair and not adhering to the silly tr00 metal \m/ ethos (including dress code) doesn't mean you're not metal.
Try to get out of these silly ideological constraints for a moment, because the point of this classification is that in the general public's perception, those bands unquestionably go beyond what is commonly perceived as rock music. Which effectively is pretty much pop music played on guitars.
The aggressivity, heaviness, violent or dark lyrical themes, high appreciation for the technical skills of the instrumentalists and this peculiar element of "danger" are qualities shared by all of those bands, qualities that historically have always differentiated rock and metal bands.
Have this and calm down :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2F5piurv-0
lol i'm 35 i have got of rid my long hair ages ago, got rid of all my earrings and never been inthat whole true metal shit in the first place. i didn't only wore black clothes for 20 years and not listen to only to metal because you must do so....
your right, those bands are considred metal by people who dont know shit about msuusic.... the justin bieber people of whatever..... it just from a rock/metal point of view. those bands anbe condsidered rock, heavy metal maybe, rap metal? even...but not metal.let me echeck your youtube :-)
i hate it than when you type more than the actual frame that the frame starts blinking when you type....so i have to type blind which i can ...but sometimes... i mess up...
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ohmy god... LB playing metallica..... :facepalm:
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Clarification: two million youtube views of the documentry = the fifty of us watching it 40,000 times.
FYI.
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Clarification: two million youtube views of the documentry = the fifty of us watching it 40,000 times.
This is true.
My estimation on how many times I've watched each of the episodes:
I - 25
II - 40
III - 20
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Clarification: two million youtube views of the documentry = the fifty of us watching it 40,000 times.
This is true.
My estimation on how many times I've watched each of the episodes:
I - 25
II - 40
III - 20
wow i have checked all epsisodes 3 times which i thought was much.... what do you see during your 20th view which you didn't see during your 6th view?
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what do you see during your 20th view which you didn't see during your 6th view?
Nothing.
I wasn't even neccessarily paying much that attention to the video (as I had them on repeat mode). I just played them to listen to the music the drummers played.
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How would they show up to any late night TV show and play an 8 minute song?
And if they did explode in popularity, I would hope MP would get something out of it. I can see more people hearing about them, but it's tough to get people to actually listen to them when they aren't force fed them on the radio, tv, etc.
I mean, Slipknot had a #1 album on the Billboards, but are they 'popular in the mainstream'? I would say no.
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what do you see during your 20th view which you didn't see during your 6th view?
Nothing.
I wasn't even neccessarily paying much that attention to the video (as I had them on repeat mode). I just played them to listen to the music the drummers played.
well that's why i checked it a couple of times to...but the actual time you see/hear a drummer play is just a couple of minutes in total.... its just snippets of a fill, an intro, a jam...even the ok here's the odd time riff... you see more of how they approced it (reading the riff, writing the nrs) instead of actually hearing them play.....
welll one thing i did notice what i havent read here...
when aquiles started his audtion...in a couplle of seconds you see marco minneman behind him..in teh same room...now that's odd to me having gthe 2 drummers in the same room....?? shouldn't they first have said goodbye to marco, and than got quiles in?? well i seemed a little strange to mee..
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Mainstream? I don't think so. That would mean radio, and we all know that DT probably won't do a record geared towards that...they semi-tried it once with FII, and look how most fans welcomed that... :omg:
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I mean, Slipknot had a #1 album on the Billboards, but are they 'popular in the mainstream'? I would say no.
Yeah, but that's different, Slipknot is just too awesome. :metal :metal :metal
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I mean, Slipknot had a #1 album on the Billboards, but are they 'popular in the mainstream'? I would say no.
Yeah, but that's different, Slipknot is just too awesome. :metal :metal :metal
QFT, slipknot just kills it. they are awesome live the whole gimmick is great and well thought through.
slipknot became mainstream..really??..when.....aggressive music is beter accepted these days, but it's certainly not maintstream.
20 years ago, GnR and fucking john bon jovi where considered metal/hard rock by the mainstream.
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Hate to tell you this tgstk2, but A7X and Linkin Park are metal. Whether they're good or not is up for debate. :P I'd also call Slipknot fairly mainstream. They're definitely one of the most prolific modern metal bands (though I wonder if they'll still go on after their bassist died).
GNR is/was still hard rock. Bon Jovi isn't really close anymore.
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Not to get too far off topic, but Slipknot has a show planned but aren't sure beyond that point. One of their very early members who left before they started with their 9 will fill in on bass.
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Given the nature of their sound, to achieve true mainstream success, they'd have to do what Genesis did in the 80's, which was to shift more towards more catchy singles, with only a handful of truly progressive songs on each album. I don't see DT doing that.
However, I can easily see them fitting in the mode of Tool, continuing to write more prog oriented material, yet getting more attention from doing that. Actually, DT has had some radio friendly material from the past. If they had released a song like Wither in the early 90's, it might really have been a major hit. If their new album continues the path that they've been going, they'll continue to become a bigger metal band, perhaps even getting to headline bigger venues. But I certainly don't see them rising to the level of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest or especially Metallica.
To get to that level, they would have to get a killer tour that could attract new fans. The big problem would be the type of tour as I'm not certain there are too many bands at a higher level than DT that could really be compatible enough with them for such a tour to work. To a certain extent, I think touring with Maiden has helped (as that is probably the closest). Opening for Metallica could also break doors down, although Metallica fans had been extremely harsh to bands they didn't like (such as the Cult).
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If they have a featuring with Justin Bieber or Rebecca Black I think they will!!
Now, seriously. I do believe that DT11 will debut at one of the top 3 spots at Billboard. I think that they didn't reach #1 with BCSL because Michael Jackson died and suddenly everyone thought it would be a great idea to purchase all of MJs previous recordings?
However, if you define "mainstream" as having MTV lovers actually know DT and follow their careers, my answer would be no.
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A lot of you seem to be operating under the misconception that the music will determine their mainstream success. That, unfortunately is not how it works the vast majority of the time. At this point in their career, radio program managers already have a preconceived notion of what "Dream Theater" means, and, even if they put out an album of accessible, pop-friendly songs, those program managers aren't going to put those songs in the rotation. Once a band has an established career, it's not about the new music, anymore, it's about the old music. If BC&SL had been the debut album of a new band, maybe it would have gotten airplay. But with the "Dream Theater" name on the cover, it probably didn't even get listened to by a lot of these guys.
Now, the wild card here is internet buzz. If they have a video go viral, or something, such that the song was pre-sold to the audience, then the radio might decide to pick it up.
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Good point Zircon about the radio programmers and pre-concieved ideas about DT. In my first response here I mentioned mainstream meaning "Radio exposure" But the more I think about it.....that's not really the case anymore. I don't know about other big cities in the US, but LA really doesn't have a hard rock/metal station anymore. KNAC died in the early 90's I think, they're pretty big online last time I looked. So I guess mainstream exposure would translate to video I guess. Although...they do get some airplay on sirius and subscription radio.... but is that enough?
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I could see DT maybe doing a bit of what happened to Rush in the 90's and 00's where each new album debuts consistently high on the billboard charts but fall off fairly quickly (starting of debuting at #2-#10 or so then remaining on the charts for maybe three months before dropping off, I don't see them ever having a #1 album, but it could happen!).
The interesting thing about their longevity is that, like Rush, they have never been insanely popular, so the ups and downs of the music biz since the late 90's and changing tastes have not really affected them much, their sales are consistent (though their live audiences have certainly grown), and I don't really see that changing any time soon.
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Hate to tell you this tgstk2, but A7X and Linkin Park are metal. Whether they're good or not is up for debate. :P I'd also call Slipknot fairly mainstream. They're definitely one of the most prolific modern metal bands (though I wonder if they'll still go on after their bassist died).
GNR is/was still hard rock. Bon Jovi isn't really close anymore.
i am really curious who chooses which band is metal or notl. maybe its also coutnry related?
Coming from the Netherlands, AX7 is an unkown band here (YEAHHHHHHHHHH!! ) and linkin park is considered rock. (listen to there last album...there's not even a distorted guitar on it..how can you call it metal?)....
i think the name "metal" will be attched to a band if:
- radio stations say so
- record company's say so
- internet says so.
Gnr is indeed hard rock. and good rock :-) john bon jovi is as gay as music can get.....
slipknot is indeed considered metal and somehow maintsream, the wait and bleed song got radio play at the right time i guess, so slipknot was excepted, as metal as mainstream..without that song/radioplay they would never become mainstream.
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I'd say if they start doing arena tours in America, then they've gone "mainstream"
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Hate to tell you this tgstk2, but A7X and Linkin Park are metal. Whether they're good or not is up for debate. :P I'd also call Slipknot fairly mainstream. They're definitely one of the most prolific modern metal bands (though I wonder if they'll still go on after their bassist died).
GNR is/was still hard rock. Bon Jovi isn't really close anymore.
i am really curious who chooses which band is metal or notl. maybe its also coutnry related?
Coming from the Netherlands, AX7 is an unkown band here (YEAHHHHHHHHHH!! ) and linkin park is considered rock. (listen to there last album...there's not even a distorted guitar on it..how can you call it metal?)....
i think the name "metal" will be attched to a band if:
- radio stations say so
- record company's say so
- internet says so.
Linkin Park are considered a metal band by a lot of people because of the fact that their first two albums (by far their best known ones) are mostly metal music. It has nothing to do with what anyone else says and everything to do with the music.
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Linkin Park are considered a metal band by a lot of people because of the fact that their first two albums (by far their best known ones) are mostly metal music.
QFT
(listen to there last album...there's not even a distorted guitar on it..how can you call it metal?)
Nobody calls their last album metal. Because it is not.
Can you fathom the idea of bands changing styles and music genres during their careers?
Linkin Park did that. And during their breakthrough they were mostly metal.
There are rock bands that I don't like, but that doesn't make me call their music reagee or country because of that. Haha, metal fans seem to do that with any metal band they don't like. So silly.
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:lol Well said. I think most bands get defined by the music they play when they make their breakthrough. It's why Rush get called a prog band, even though they only have a handful of prog albums.
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Given the nature of their sound, to achieve true mainstream success, they'd have to do what Genesis did in the 80's, which was to shift more towards more catchy singles, with only a handful of truly progressive songs on each album. I don't see DT doing that.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the average song length was shorter now. If you remember Octavarium was mainly more straight forward songs, with only really 8V, SS and maybe TROAE being more "typical" DT, and we know JP loves that album.
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Linkin Park are considered a metal band by a lot of people because of the fact that their first two albums (by far their best known ones) are mostly metal music.
QFT
(listen to there last album...there's not even a distorted guitar on it..how can you call it metal?)
Nobody calls their last album metal. Because it is not.
Can you fathom the idea of bands changing styles and music genres during their careers?
Linkin Park did that. And during their breakthrough they
There are rock bands that I don't like, but that doesn't make me call their music reagee or country because of that. Haha, metal fans seem to do that with any metal band they don't like. So silly.
...considered metal by a lot of people...im not one of them
Your last comment ...sigh :facepalm:
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Linkin Park are considered a metal band by a lot of people because of the fact that their first two albums (by far their best known ones) are mostly metal music.
QFT
(listen to there last album...there's not even a distorted guitar on it..how can you call it metal?)
Nobody calls their last album metal. Because it is not.
Can you fathom the idea of bands changing styles and music genres during their careers?
Linkin Park did that. And during their breakthrough they
There are rock bands that I don't like, but that doesn't make me call their music reagee or country because of that. Haha, metal fans seem to do that with any metal band they don't like. So silly.
...considered metal by a lot of people...im not one of them
Your last comment ...sigh :facepalm:
His last comment is correct. You said yourself that Slipknot is metal, but I've heard Slayer fans call Slipknot emo because of Duality, and Maiden fans say that Slipknot insults their fanbase by calling themselves metal. Hell, my brother does it all the time. His definition of metal very closely resembles his list of bands that he likes.
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Yeah I've never understood the fascination with using "not metal" or "not this genre" to mean "not good". Even "not prog" to some extent gets used like that but if I say that it's more likely to turn into a shitstorm if I say that.
I find it difficult to imagine how someone could listen to, say, Avenged Sevenfold and say that they aren't metal. Especially considering how diverse metal is. You can think it's not very good metal if you want, but if it's not metal in any way then what is it?
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Given the nature of their sound, to achieve true mainstream success, they'd have to do what Genesis did in the 80's, which was to shift more towards more catchy singles, with only a handful of truly progressive songs on each album. I don't see DT doing that.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the average song length was shorter now. If you remember Octavarium was mainly more straight forward songs, with only really 8V, SS and maybe TROAE being more "typical" DT, and we know JP loves that album.
I do not believe there are any really short songs that will be targeted at mainstream popularity. I believe all the songs will be of the type we have all come to know and love: long, sweeping, historical, etc.
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maybe it's better to just call everytning music. there so many ddiffernt sorts or metal, and layers of metal. s .... i think people label a bands msusuc to a certain genre with his own musical taste in mind....... i just disagree that "metal"fans are all the same and such ..that's just being deaf dumb and blind at the same time...
bands are being called metal to easily i guess. a scream or distorted guitar doesn't make you metal.
but that's all due to personal taste.
if you say ax7, dt, metallica, slayer, obituary, death, syl, machine head, necrophagist, cannibal corpse, morbid angel, deftones, linkin park and all being called metal...i hope that mainstream people do hear a difference there.
anway back on topic!
the change of DT having there first time radio hit, like a real britney spears kind of hit..i think changes are 0,00001% so there's still a change :metal
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I agree with you about generalising about "metal" fans, that's just a silly thing to do!
As for that list of bands, I would say that they can definitely all justifiably be called metal bands, but remember that "metal" is a very broad and all-encompassing genre. You talk about screams and distorted guitars, and indeed those don't automatically make something metal, but they are very prominent characteristics of the genre. "Metal" is nearly as broad a definition as "rock" or "jazz".
But I do also agree that genre definitions are irrelevant anyway, and are only really there for people to make comparisons and categorise things easily. Music is music!
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Given the nature of their sound, to achieve true mainstream success, they'd have to do what Genesis did in the 80's, which was to shift more towards more catchy singles, with only a handful of truly progressive songs on each album. I don't see DT doing that.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the average song length was shorter now. If you remember Octavarium was mainly more straight forward songs, with only really 8V, SS and maybe TROAE being more "typical" DT, and we know JP loves that album.
From what JLB has posted, it sounds like there are 8 songs on the album, give or take 1 (after recording 6 he said "3/4 done"). So that could be 8 nine-minute songs or a bunch of short tunes and one epic like OV. So it's possible there could be a couple like TALW and IWBY - but I doubt it. I think they are really going for it on this album and songs like that just wouldn't fit with that mindset.
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. Music is music!
this just says it all :-) thanks.
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No, never. DT aren't suddenly going to start writing short radio hits.
These Walls, Forsaken, Wither, and many others would like a word with you.
These Walls? Seriously?
Anyway, the general public, which has no idea these songs even existed would like to have a word with you ;]
I know that "These Walls "was included in a pre-release package to radio stations , the stations just choose not to play it
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Music is music!
“Everything is music. When I go home, I throw knickers in the oven and it’s music. Crash, boom, bang!”
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the change of DT having there first time radio hit, like a real britney spears kind of hit..i think changes are 0,00001% so there's still a change :metal
Uhm actually Pull Me Under from I&W got quite a bit of radio airplay. It was really my first radio experience from DT. Was kind of what sealed my fate as it were as a DT fan.
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Some metalbands tend to enter the charts really high but almost all the fans buy the album within a month.
Children of Bodom and Opeth hit the top 25 on the mainstream charts for instance but I don´t think they sold very many albums at all in the US. They just happened to release their album during a week with really low record sales.
These days you don´t have to sell very many copies to debut at no.1 actually if you do it during the worst week of the year. Even bands that are far from mainstream like DT for instance might do that if they are lucky.
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the whole SCO episodes did give DT extra exposure.
so i think some of the people who where none DT followers prior to this will be anxious to see what DT is....
so if the sales are going higher than expected, or maybe even sky high.......maybe a video needs to be made, a single etc etc....
so yes this will be good for DT.
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Plus they were the 2nd most trended topic on twitter.
But it really doesn't matter as I don't listen to the radio often.
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Radio is becoming less and less of a factor these days, and the whole notion of a 'mainstream' music scene has really become decentralized over the last few years. Yes, there are still a few acts that regularly show up in the top 40, and who are more well known, but largely because of the internet, that whole model is fading fast.
A band like DT will probably never get the kind of media exposure that a pop star de jour, but they also no longer need to. That traditional media exposure is becoming less and less powerful every year.
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the change of DT having there first time radio hit, like a real britney spears kind of hit..i think changes are 0,00001% so there's still a change :metal
Uhm actually Pull Me Under from I&W got quite a bit of radio airplay. It was really my first radio experience from DT. Was kind of what sealed my fate as it were as a DT fan.
This definitely.
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the change of DT having there first time radio hit, like a real britney spears kind of hit..i think changes are 0,00001% so there's still a change :metal
Uhm actually Pull Me Under from I&W got quite a bit of radio airplay. It was really my first radio experience from DT. Was kind of what sealed my fate as it were as a DT fan.
This definitely.