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Title: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Progmetty on April 29, 2011, 07:32:13 PM
Welcoming the amazing Mr. Mangini to the DT family!
Somebody posted a few videos of great MM solos/performances in the two big threads but I couldn't find them again today, please share MM youtube videos you found and we'll discuss it.
This is MM on Time Warp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Gxut0odyc pretty cool.
I love that guy  :D
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on April 29, 2011, 08:46:33 PM
Found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um24wnmC3xs of MM previous band, it's actually good.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: orcus116 on April 29, 2011, 11:59:46 PM
Picked "Cool, whatever". Minnemann was a lot more fun to watch behind the kit and Jordan mentioning the pure joy he exuded as a positive reflects that. It was more important to find the one who fit in with the band's writing process better so excellent on their part.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on April 30, 2011, 12:01:05 AM
I'm definitely happy with DT's choice. He seems to be a great fit and a really fun guy.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: dongringo on April 30, 2011, 01:49:47 AM
I'm extremely happy with DT's unanimous pick of Mangini. He is not only a phenomenal drummer, but a fun and positive guy. Seems to fit like a glove.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: FretMuppet on April 30, 2011, 01:51:40 AM
SO ENERGY

POWER!
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on April 30, 2011, 01:52:59 AM
He was my top favourite after having watched the auditions, so I'm very glad and excited about them picking him.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kosmo on April 30, 2011, 01:57:11 AM
He was my top favourite after having watched the auditions, so I'm very glad and excited about them picking him.
Yep mine too.

Only minus...He wasn't the one wearing a cookie monster shirt.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Big Crouton on April 30, 2011, 02:02:23 AM
I've been hoping for Minnemann ever since I heard Portnoy left, and it was cool to see that he was almost chosen.  I'm sure mike will be a great fit for the band, but I suspect that he will more or less be a Portnoy replacement, whereas Minnemann could have brought something new and exciting to the band.

Anyways, I went with "Cool, whatever".  Mangini is a solid choice.
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Silent Cody on April 30, 2011, 02:04:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTBtkB_mWQ - pure awesomeness during Annihilator's All For You recording sessions... that last fill is just... I don't have words... :omg: :omg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI&feature=related - another pure awesomeness during one of Mike's clinics, just before DT auditions. Check out especially 2:12.... that one hand...

I'm happy of DT's choice, Mike is a great drummer, I think will fit great into the band. And I think he also is more technically advanced than Mike Portnoy, which in my opinion isn't the most important thing (as I always say that the most important is right chemistry in the band), but that's for sure not a bad thing ;)
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tartarus250 on April 30, 2011, 05:28:34 AM
jr tweeted this pic thought everyone might like to see it  ;D https://ow.ly/i/aW37
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tartarus250 on April 30, 2011, 05:30:20 AM
i would like to have seen him use this kit at his audition  :xbones
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DP_Gumby on April 30, 2011, 06:15:34 AM
jr tweeted this pic thought everyone might like to see it  ;D https://ow.ly/i/aW37

 :omg:  :hefdaddy
And I thought MP's kit was huge, this just makes it look very small somehow..  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: atmyne on April 30, 2011, 08:31:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruZUzvTDL0I&feature=related
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Arch Benemy on April 30, 2011, 08:48:22 AM
Posted in the last thread so reposting here, the essential Mangini solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8XKgOuNtk
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on April 30, 2011, 08:49:42 AM
I really dig the groove at the beginning. Hearing something like that in DT would be pretty neat.

Edit: Holy crap @3:09.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: IdoSC on April 30, 2011, 08:52:43 AM
I want this fucking awesome eye contact and presence in live shows so bad.

Welcome to da familia :D
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gummyfish on April 30, 2011, 09:02:56 AM
anyone else surprised by the enthusiasm and showmanship he exudes while drumming? didn't know much about him prior to audition footage, but it seems people griping about the lack of stage presence resulting from MP's departure can put their fears to rest. this guy's fun to watch :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Super Dude on April 30, 2011, 09:09:16 AM
I kinda want to email him to tell him welcome from a DT fan. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on April 30, 2011, 09:09:52 AM
I kinda want to email him to tell him welcome from a DT fan. :laugh:

Make sure to tell him about this place if you do it. :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 30, 2011, 09:10:19 AM
I kinda want to email him to tell him welcome from a DT fan. :laugh:
This. :D
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: purpleplanet10 on April 30, 2011, 09:16:55 AM
Mike Mangini has been one of my favorite drummers for many years. i am so stoked that he is now in my favorite band.

Check out some other band/projects he ha s been in This one is called Tribe Of Judah.
Gary Cherone - vocals
Steve Ferlazzo - keyboards
Mike Mangini - drums
Pat Badger - bass, vocals
Leo Mellace - guitar
the band was put togther after Gary Cherone left Van Halen in 1999. Tribe of Judah was very cool band. Mangini had some killer drum parts, at time it may sound like a drum machine but all parts are played by Mike. I have a VHS tape of them doing a show in Boston.. he just blew my mind

"Left For Dead"
https://youtu.be/Inoydpn75Gc

a recent drum solo Mike posted last year

https://youtu.be/IiRnx6IkRJE

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Yazman on April 30, 2011, 09:22:54 AM
Does Mangini have an official twitter?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Super Dude on April 30, 2011, 09:25:36 AM
Or a Facebook?  (I actually made a Wall Post to JLB's FB asking this, but what are the chances he'll get back to me?)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: LCArenas on April 30, 2011, 10:02:39 AM
Mike Mangini has been one of my favorite drummers for many years. i am so stoked that he is now in my favorite band.

Check out some other band/projects he ha s been in This one is called Tribe Of Judah.
Gary Cherone - vocals
Steve Ferlazzo - keyboards
Mike Mangini - drums
Pat Badger - bass, vocals
Leo Mellace - guitar
So basically its Extreme without Nuno Bettencourt and Keyboards? Should check.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jonny108 on April 30, 2011, 10:12:42 AM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/MikeMangini (https://www.facebook.com/#!/MikeMangini)

Official facebook page. He only had 1000 fans two days ago...it's on 11,000 now  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Blu on April 30, 2011, 10:55:41 AM
Yeah, ToJ was a great disc. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Super Dude on April 30, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/MikeMangini (https://www.facebook.com/#!/MikeMangini)

Official facebook page. He only had 1000 fans two days ago...it's on 11,000 now  :)

Oh yeah, I've liked that already.  I meant an actual Facebook profile, like JLB and JP have.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: IdoSC on April 30, 2011, 11:06:10 AM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/MikeMangini (https://www.facebook.com/#!/MikeMangini)

Official facebook page. He only had 1000 fans two days ago...it's on 11,000 now  :)
It's on 12,000 now, and I'm one of the new 11,000 fans ^_^

By the way, a quote from his official website:
"https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini for my personal posting about dt."
Do you guys see any posting about DT in his facebook page yet? o-o
Title: Re: The New Drummer Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on April 30, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQTBtkB_mWQ - pure awesomeness during Annihilator's All For You recording sessions... that last fill is just... I don't have words... :omg: :omg:

Freakin cool! I love that he's consistently having fun with it. In all the videos; he never looks dull or normal at all, always enjoying it to the maximum!
I really hope he keeps that vibe alive for the DT years  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Funkafonik on April 30, 2011, 12:29:01 PM
Posted this is the other thread that seems to be pretty done so reposting here:

Mike Mangini, The most intense and powerful live drummer I've ever seen joining my favorite most intense and powerful band, dream come true!   :metal

Now we can expect a lot more of this kind of insanity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-8j9zhdOE  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Tick on April 30, 2011, 12:31:02 PM
I thought putting Mangini's name in a thread title meant a temporary ban?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dimitrius on April 30, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Fuck yeah I'm happy!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: JasonScandopolous on April 30, 2011, 12:44:28 PM
lol wtf?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY&feature=related
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ariich on April 30, 2011, 01:04:27 PM
I thought putting Mangini's name in a thread title meant a temporary ban?
That was only for the first couple of days, whereas anyone who cares enough about spoilers should really have seen the documentary by now.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on April 30, 2011, 01:05:37 PM
I thought putting Mangini's name in a thread title meant a temporary ban?

I think it's over today cause one of the mods changed "New Drummer" to "Mike Mangini" in the title of this thread.

Now we can expect a lot more of this kind of insanity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-8j9zhdOE  :hefdaddy

Fuck that was good, sometimes he seems chaotic you feel he fucks up the timing but he doesn't.

I wish they would share the audition performance of TDOE in it's entirety.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: IdoSC on April 30, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
I thought putting Mangini's name in a thread title meant a temporary ban?
That was only for the first couple of days, whereas anyone who cares enough about spoilers should really have seen the documentary by now.
Just to be completely accurate, *first couple of hours :lol It's just been like 28 hours since the announcement.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ariich on April 30, 2011, 01:10:02 PM
I thought putting Mangini's name in a thread title meant a temporary ban?
That was only for the first couple of days, whereas anyone who cares enough about spoilers should really have seen the documentary by now.
Just to be completely accurate, *first couple of hours :lol It's just been like 28 hours since the announcement.
Oh yeah. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ResultsMayVary on April 30, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
I thought putting Mangini's name in a thread title meant a temporary ban?
That was only for the first couple of days, whereas anyone who cares enough about spoilers should really have seen the documentary by now.
Just to be completely accurate, *first couple of hours :lol It's just been like 28 hours since the announcement.
Oh yeah. :lol
It has certainly felt like a few days, though!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Slain on April 30, 2011, 03:43:14 PM
lol wtf?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY&feature=related

wtf?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: perfey on April 30, 2011, 03:59:05 PM
Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: randymarsh on April 30, 2011, 04:02:33 PM
awesome MM stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZuNM3HmU4

he looks cool with long hair. i hope he grows 'eh back for the DT tour  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: OsMosis2259 on April 30, 2011, 04:11:46 PM
DAMNN I remember yesterday when I "liked" his facebook page it was like 2000 fans and now its 12809!

PRettyyyy pretty good  :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on April 30, 2011, 04:53:56 PM
PRettyyyy pretty good  :corn

Do you respect wood?

lol wtf?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY&feature=related

wtf?

He's a teacher at Berklee College of Music too, it's pretty funny heh
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: chucke on April 30, 2011, 05:54:15 PM
lol wtf?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY&feature=related

 :rollin

Best Mangini footage ever!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: kartmaze2 on April 30, 2011, 05:59:29 PM
Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream_Theater01 on April 30, 2011, 06:04:35 PM
This may be a silly question, but is Mangini going to play drums on the new album?  Wasn't the album being recorded before he joined the band?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Super Dude on April 30, 2011, 06:27:38 PM
No, they went into sessions in November or December I believe.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2011, 06:29:37 PM
This may be a silly question, but is Mangini going to play drums on the new album? 

Yes.

Quote
Wasn't the album being recorded before he joined the band?

No.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: SystematicThought on April 30, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
They started writing the album in January. John sent demos to Mangini supposedly. They began recording in March. All happened when MM was in the band
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 30, 2011, 11:44:12 PM
lol wtf?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxE2GGE6SDY&feature=related

wtf?

That's fucking amazing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Aniland on April 30, 2011, 11:47:07 PM
This may be a silly question, but is Mangini going to play drums on the new album?  Wasn't the album being recorded before he joined the band?

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 01, 2011, 12:35:51 AM
This may be a silly question, but is Mangini going to play drums on the new album?  Wasn't the album being recorded before he joined the band?

 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
This, and did I mentioned  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Gorille85 on May 01, 2011, 12:43:10 AM
Hey. Some people don't actually know everything about the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: randymarsh on May 01, 2011, 12:50:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmCEPBlZmN4&feature=related

hot chick   :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ariich on May 01, 2011, 03:57:07 AM
They started writing the album in January. John sent demos to Mangini supposedly. They began recording in March. All happened when MM was in the band
Confirmed by Mebert from discussions with JR at his benefit concert - Mangini wasn't present for the writing on this album, only the recording. Also JM lyrics for songs. Link: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=22053.msg867186#msg867186
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: sneakyblueberry on May 01, 2011, 04:25:35 AM
Yeah! So stoked about MM!

Welcome to family, bud.  You definitely deserved it!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on May 01, 2011, 12:55:43 PM
Nice poll results btw, I was crazy to expect the "No" option will remain untouched  :angel:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Octawakeimages on May 01, 2011, 08:30:35 PM
Welcome to the family Mike!   You're an amazing drummer!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Blackfield on May 02, 2011, 06:52:31 AM
So are Mangini moving to New York, I guess that is inevitable?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: FretMuppet on May 02, 2011, 07:00:19 AM
So are Mangini moving to New York, I guess that is inevitable?

I thought he already lives in New York?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 02, 2011, 07:03:15 AM
Well, as of November 2010, he was still living in Boston. I wouldn't say that him moving to NY is inevitable; MP and his family live in Pennsylvania and it worked well; also, for the audition, MM came to NY by train. Sure, it would make things a bit easier, but it's not necessary imo.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: EstyMaJ on May 02, 2011, 07:35:59 AM
Fuck yeah for my vote !!!
I love dat fuckin guy hahaha all i could keep saying to myself is what a band full of Nice dudes after those Vids
so im now at work with JLB 's elmemnts album ( been listing to it for the past 2 months A LOT!! hehe)  on my ipod and eagerly waiting on the new DT
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 02, 2011, 08:22:27 AM
Fuck yeah.  He was the most impressive of the 7 candidates.  I'm pleased with the result.   :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DreamerTV on May 02, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
Here we are....

(https://www.dreamtheater.net/pics/dtgroupphoto.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 02, 2011, 09:30:45 AM
Where did you get that from?

Great picture, MM fits in very nicely. :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jsem on May 02, 2011, 09:32:07 AM
Where did you get that from?

Great picture, MM fits in very nicely. :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: EstyMaJ on May 02, 2011, 09:33:01 AM
Here we are....

(https://www.dreamtheater.net/pics/dtgroupphoto.jpg)
Nice pic I want one of them all standing around Mikes new kit!!
BTW does anyone have a good quality pic of Mikes new setup I want that for my desktop
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DreamerTV on May 02, 2011, 09:40:03 AM
Where did you get that from?

Great picture, MM fits in very nicely. :tup

From dreamtheater.net :D it's in front page!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 02, 2011, 09:41:04 AM
Thanks, that's very cool. :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 02, 2011, 09:44:05 AM
Very cool pic!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: antigoon on May 02, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
Wow, an actual good band picture from DT!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: FretMuppet on May 02, 2011, 10:01:33 AM
(https://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/FretMuppet/JP11.png?t=1304352032)


Ahh, brings back memories doesn't?

Not much has changed  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 02, 2011, 10:01:56 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jacksmash on May 02, 2011, 10:02:28 AM
Official DT drum kit (not high-res):

https://ow.ly/i/aW37 (https://ow.ly/i/aW37)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: FretMuppet on May 02, 2011, 10:04:01 AM
Official DT drum kit (not high-res):

https://ow.ly/i/aW37 (https://ow.ly/i/aW37)

That is one KILLER drumkit!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: blackngold29 on May 02, 2011, 10:08:23 AM
He's got stuff haning from the roof, it's insanity!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2011, 10:09:35 AM
Official DT drum kit (not high-res):

https://ow.ly/i/aW37 (https://ow.ly/i/aW37)

I think calling it the "official DT drum kit" is a bit of a misnomer.  That's apparently what he used in the studio, but we have no idea what he'll bring out on the road.

I will say that if you are going to have that many pieces, in a way, his kit makes sense.  I remember seeing MP playing Trial of Tears on the Train of Thought tour, and it was that moment that it really hit me how ludicriously huge his kit was.  During the intro, he is literally having to take several steps to walk from one side of his kit to the other to play certain things.  Not that that's wrong--I actually thought it was pretty cool.  But at the same time, it also made me laugh.  It was a very visual representation of the kind of musical excess that DT had become known for that simultaenously made me laugh and say "that is so cool" while also shaking my head and saying "that is just completely absurd."  Mangini's kit has the same effect on me.  However, from a drummer's standpoint, his kit makes more sense than Portnoy's in a way because, with more pieces hanging above him and within arms' reach, he can reach more pieces without having to leave his primary position at the throne, thus conserving movement and being more efficient, which is usually the goal in drumming.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: blackngold29 on May 02, 2011, 10:11:42 AM
For people who would actually know, would it be possible to play all of DT's stuff on one kit or was the two kit setup just something that made it easier?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaPsTA on May 02, 2011, 10:15:57 AM
For people who would actually know, would it be possible to play all of DT's stuff on one kit or was the two kit setup just something that made it easier?

You can 100% do it on one kit, it just has to be big.

The two kit set-up was more of an aesthetic and creative choice.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: EstyMaJ on May 02, 2011, 10:17:20 AM
Official DT drum kit (not high-res):

https://ow.ly/i/aW37 (https://ow.ly/i/aW37)
thanks i thought i had seen one on the forum fomewere were it was from the front of the kit but now i cant find it but thank you
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: E.S. on May 02, 2011, 10:25:54 AM
(https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1335/dtgroupphoto2.jpg)

Someone had to do it. Too much time on my hands.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 02, 2011, 10:27:10 AM
haha, he got stuck that way :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: blackngold29 on May 02, 2011, 10:31:48 AM
So, that face will pretty much be on every picture they release won't it?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: IdoSC on May 02, 2011, 10:35:10 AM
(https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1335/dtgroupphoto2.jpg)

Someone had to do it. Too much time on my hands.
Like!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 02, 2011, 10:36:31 AM
haha awesome  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Lowdz on May 02, 2011, 10:44:37 AM
Official DT drum kit (not high-res):

https://ow.ly/i/aW37 (https://ow.ly/i/aW37)
thanks i thought i had seen one on the forum fomewere were it was from the front of the kit but now i cant find it but thank you
Still think it's an ugly kit. At least from this angle. Needs some beauty-fying for the tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 02, 2011, 10:45:21 AM
Hahaha, great picture, and photoshopped also great  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Chino on May 02, 2011, 10:48:37 AM
We need to start a Mangini O face thread.

(https://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3064/79237609.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 02, 2011, 10:55:02 AM
(https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1335/dtgroupphoto2.jpg)

Someone had to do it. Too much time on my hands.

Holy crap, man  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: FretMuppet on May 02, 2011, 11:27:54 AM
Official DT drum kit (not high-res):

https://ow.ly/i/aW37 (https://ow.ly/i/aW37)

I never knew Snape played the drums
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: chknptpie on May 02, 2011, 11:29:40 AM
 :lol at the pictures in this thread!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 02, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
Great stuff, E.S. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 02, 2011, 01:13:26 PM
We need to start a Mangini O face thread.

(https://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3064/79237609.jpg)

I just realized there's a similarity!  :omg:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/250px-The_Scream.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: unklejman on May 02, 2011, 01:19:34 PM
Here we are....

(https://www.dreamtheater.net/pics/dtgroupphoto.jpg)


Wow, they didn't use JM's cardboard cut out this time.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: chrisbDTM on May 02, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
not diggin the space glasses but JP looks friggin badass (as usual)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: unklejman on May 02, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
(https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mikemanginfinity.gif)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: E.S. on May 02, 2011, 04:43:03 PM
Holy mother of...
It's seizure time!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: russellmania on May 02, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
You think Portnoy and Mangini's kits were insane, how bout Terry Bozzio's?  Saw it on the Prog Nation tour with DT last year and that thing is insane!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hacko on May 02, 2011, 04:56:36 PM
Wonder how long it'll take for stevetheater to make a wallpaper out of this one...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 02, 2011, 04:57:34 PM
You think Portnoy and Mangini's kits were insane, how bout Terry Bozzio's?  Saw it on the Prog Nation tour with DT last year and that thing is insane!

Bozzio is ridiculous.



In the bad sense of the word.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on May 02, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
Geez Louise JP is out with the leather jacket again after almost 15 years of holding back!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TimmyHiggy on May 02, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
Posted this is the other thread that seems to be pretty done so reposting here:

Mike Mangini, The most intense and powerful live drummer I've ever seen joining my favorite most intense and powerful band, dream come true!   :metal

Now we can expect a lot more of this kind of insanity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-8j9zhdOE  :hefdaddy
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That vid of the fire garden drumming is simply jaw dropping.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jsem on May 02, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin @ this thread

Legendary Espen!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: YtseJam on May 02, 2011, 06:23:18 PM
Jesus H. I'm psyched to hear something he has done with DT
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on May 02, 2011, 07:22:41 PM
https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mikemanginfinity.gif
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: chego_voice on May 02, 2011, 10:08:29 PM
THE REAL FIRST "O FACE"

(https://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1443/mikeoface.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Knguro on May 02, 2011, 10:25:13 PM
THE REAL FIRST "O FACE"

(https://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1443/mikeoface.jpg)

i didnt know he got the news at the Discovery channel?!!  :hat  :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Jamesman42 on May 02, 2011, 10:46:05 PM
(https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mikemanginfinity.gif)

YES
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 02, 2011, 11:44:22 PM
Holy shit, unklejman...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: atmyne on May 03, 2011, 12:34:09 AM
@unklejman god it's like a horrible acid trip or something :/
funny though :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 03, 2011, 03:31:36 AM
It only took our "leading" Swedish newspaper four days to get the news out (it was published today).

Nice going Aftonbladet :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Lynxo on May 03, 2011, 03:33:47 AM
It only took our "leading" Swedish newspaper four days to get the news out (it was published today).

Nice going Aftonbladet :tup
Where is it? I can't find it on their site.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 03, 2011, 03:35:58 AM
It only took our "leading" Swedish newspaper four days to get the news out (it was published today).

Nice going Aftonbladet :tup
Where is it? I can't find it on their site.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/musik/hardrock/article12968956.ab
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 03, 2011, 03:53:34 AM
Shit, swedish is so hard language  :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Lynxo on May 03, 2011, 05:17:23 AM
It only took our "leading" Swedish newspaper four days to get the news out (it was published today).

Nice going Aftonbladet :tup
Where is it? I can't find it on their site.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/musik/hardrock/article12968956.ab
Thänks. :) Surprisingly many words, I would have expected it to be like a side-note or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: STEVETHEATER on May 03, 2011, 07:27:43 AM
Wonder how long it'll take for stevetheater to make a wallpaper out of this one...

Not long.  ;)

(https://i54.tinypic.com/2jfkr41.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 03, 2011, 07:29:48 AM
:hefdaddy

Great job as always!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MajorMatt on May 03, 2011, 07:30:46 AM
Wonder how long it'll take for stevetheater to make a wallpaper out of this one...

Not long.  ;)

*snip*

 :tup Awesome work as usual!

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Xanthul on May 03, 2011, 07:31:12 AM
Mangini'd all over my keyboard.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Jirpo on May 03, 2011, 07:34:55 AM
Nice steve! I'm using it atm :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on May 03, 2011, 08:09:29 AM
Thank you Steve!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Mladen on May 03, 2011, 09:30:03 AM
Set as wallpaper.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: unklejman on May 03, 2011, 09:32:29 AM
I wish they made the photos available in higher resolution.  :-[
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on May 03, 2011, 09:46:23 AM
Wonder how long it'll take for stevetheater to make a wallpaper out of this one...

Not long.  ;)

(https://i54.tinypic.com/2jfkr41.jpg)

Very cool.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 03, 2011, 09:48:24 AM
Steve, that's fucking amazing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 03, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
Sweet.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 03, 2011, 10:05:44 AM
Great pic  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Metabog on May 03, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
I LOVE the color scheme. Why can't they have actual promo art as good as this?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Bertielee on May 03, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
Really nice job, Steve, as usual. Keep up the good work.

B.Lee
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: chrisbDTM on May 03, 2011, 10:46:38 AM
Wonder how long it'll take for stevetheater to make a wallpaper out of this one...

Not long.  ;)

snipz

just when i thought i couldnt mangini anymore....
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TimmyHiggy on May 03, 2011, 11:41:55 AM
The other important question: Which muppet is mangini?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 03, 2011, 11:45:34 AM
(https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7486/mangini2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2011, 11:47:30 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 03, 2011, 11:48:39 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: JimmyJava on May 03, 2011, 11:58:15 AM
 :rollin

Edit: The funny thing about the Obama picture is that the guy way at the back with the blue shirts REALLY looks like Mangini, just with shorter hair!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Aquila Chrysaetos on May 03, 2011, 12:18:42 PM
Wonder how long it'll take for stevetheater to make a wallpaper out of this one...

Not long.  ;)

(https://i54.tinypic.com/2jfkr41.jpg)

Great! Could you also do a 1280 x 1024 version?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 03, 2011, 12:52:45 PM
I had to get Don (https://private.h-fangirl.com/photoshopdonthread/showthread1.php.htm) in on this.

(https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6907/mangini2b.jpg)

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Chino on May 03, 2011, 12:56:58 PM
(https://th916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/batmistersisterman/Tumblr%20gifs%20only/th_applause.gif)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: STEVETHEATER on May 03, 2011, 12:59:22 PM
Thanks guys... Zydar, you are crazy!  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 03, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
I had to get Don (https://private.h-fangirl.com/photoshopdonthread/showthread1.php.htm) in on this.

(https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6907/mangini2b.jpg)



Zydar does it again. :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Jamesman42 on May 03, 2011, 01:25:03 PM
I had to get Don (https://private.h-fangirl.com/photoshopdonthread/showthread1.php.htm) in on this.

(https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6907/mangini2b.jpg)



hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2011, 01:50:17 PM
Zydar, I am speechless at the amount of awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jsem on May 03, 2011, 01:52:35 PM
Zydar, I am speechless at the amount of awesome.
This x100

Also, Stevetheater - EPIC! I set it as my desktop bg instantly. Tyvm!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: JimmyJava on May 03, 2011, 02:55:42 PM
Just thought I'd post this, Steve Lukather's answer on what he thinks about JP and new drummer Mike on his FB page:

Petrucci and I are pals and Music Man guitar Players. I love John, what a monster musician. I am a big fan. The new Drummer Mike is great cat too. Met him when he was Steve Vai's drummer, nicest guy ever.

Pretty cool :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jsem on May 03, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
I've got tremendous respect for Lukather. What a player.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheKillingHand on May 03, 2011, 04:46:59 PM
I didn't see this interview posted anywhere here today, so apologies if it has been posted..it says May 3rd so must have been posted by RR today https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=109517
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Chino on May 03, 2011, 06:07:32 PM
I didn't see this interview posted anywhere here today, so apologies if it has been posted..it says May 3rd so must have been posted by RR today https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=109517
:metal :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 03, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
I had to get Don (https://private.h-fangirl.com/photoshopdonthread/showthread1.php.htm) in on this.

(https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6907/mangini2b.jpg)


Oh my dear sweet Lord.

It's a perfect storm of awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: King Postwhore on May 03, 2011, 08:22:54 PM
I had to get Don (https://private.h-fangirl.com/photoshopdonthread/showthread1.php.htm) in on this.

(https://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6907/mangini2b.jpg)


O          M        G!!!!!!!!  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: orcus116 on May 03, 2011, 09:50:48 PM
The contrast of expressions is brilliant.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 03, 2011, 11:53:12 PM
I didn't see this interview posted anywhere here today, so apologies if it has been posted..it says May 3rd so must have been posted by RR today https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/page/News?news_id=109517

Great find, I really enjoyed reading those interview snippets with the members of DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Durg on May 04, 2011, 01:39:53 PM
There so many things you can do with the O face.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_FX49fI-2EIc/TcGrZpnTAhI/AAAAAAAABBE/ho9rGKlIznQ/manginidentist.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on May 04, 2011, 01:41:20 PM
no shit  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on May 04, 2011, 02:57:46 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Silent Cody on May 04, 2011, 03:23:24 PM
Oh my Godness ;)  :lol :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2011, 05:39:01 AM
Great job guys! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ScioPath on May 09, 2011, 06:22:27 AM
There so many things you can do with the O face.

 :|



 :
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: m0hawk on May 09, 2011, 06:48:09 AM
Not sure if this has been discussed already, but Mangini is pretty much a cartoon character. He's such a genuinely funny, sensitive guy that he'd be great on a sitcom. Another thing to be excited about!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: elmatto on May 10, 2011, 12:55:21 AM
So I'm curious....I haven't been here in a while...so what's the consensus/assumptions on where mangini is going to help take dream theater?
I mean how will their sound maybe change? I know it won't change a lot...but there will be some differences obviously.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tri.ad on May 10, 2011, 02:02:25 AM
Well, since he (as he stated) had no input during the writing of the new album, the difference might be marginal, at best. There might be some differences in how the drums go with the music, but I don't expect any big changes due to his addition at all. The fact that MP has no input in general moods/structures/arrangements anymore might be a greater factor, regarding an eventual change.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream Team on May 10, 2011, 08:10:49 AM
Well, since he (as he stated) had no input during the writing of the new album, the difference might be marginal, at best. There might be some differences in how the drums go with the music, but I don't expect any big changes due to his addition at all. The fact that MP has no input in general moods/structures/arrangements anymore might be a greater factor, regarding an eventual change.

I kind of agree. The things we will probably notice are more varied/creative fills, and more "speed" moments (MM is a former World's Fastest Drummer). But to be honest, I think the biggest impact can be made by the production of the drums; especially how the snare sounds. I would love for the snare to have more of a "crack" like in Metallica's AJFA (not exactly like it but you get my idea). I have some albums recorded in the 70s that have great-sounding snares also. We'll hear how MM's Pearl kit compares to MP's Tama kit in terms of how it sounds.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: cyberdrummer on January 21, 2013, 04:02:57 PM
Just wanted to appreciate this man a bit more.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: wasteland on January 21, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
Just wanted to appreciate this man a bit more.

 :metal *appreciates*

And I'll post this one here too!

(https://img534.imageshack.us/img534/788/mmlol.png)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2013, 04:12:35 PM
I actually just watched the Mangini parts on the Drummer Audition DVD the other day. Great stuff!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: wasteland on January 21, 2013, 04:21:17 PM
I felt like expressing some love for him, daring to speak in the name of the "guys at DTF.org", knowing that except for a few vocal exceptions, we all fucking love him.

https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini It's here, the post with the attached picture (I'm Marco). Show some love!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 21, 2013, 04:30:31 PM
I felt like expressing some love for him, daring to speak in the name of the "guys at DTF.org", knowing that except for a few vocal exceptions, we all fucking love him.

https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini It's here, the post with the attached picture (I'm Marco). Show some love!
SPAMTRAIN OF LIKES.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 21, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
Genie rocks and i can't wait for the DVD and the new album!  :metal

On a very unrelated note: Isn't it weird that some threads just dies for no reason, all of a sudden nobody posts anymore and the thread goes into coma until one day in the future when someone finds it and revive. Think about all the threads out there in the DTF dungeon that may not ever see light of day again. It makes me sad to think about it.  :'(
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Letter M on January 22, 2013, 10:54:23 AM
Just wanted to appreciate this man a bit more.

 :metal *appreciates*

And I'll post this one here too!

(https://img534.imageshack.us/img534/788/mmlol.png)

Is it me...or does he sort of look like Fred Armisen? Sure, Fred doesn't play drums quite as well as Mike, but the resemblance is a bit...unusual.

Anyways, I just did re-watch the documentary "The Spirit Carries On" just the other night, and I was amazed (once more) at the emotion that MM poured out in the beginning and the end. It was totally clear that they really wanted him, and that he really wanted to join the band. It also astonished me that they really did, literally, get drummers from all over the world (every continent except Africa and Asia, I believe). And ironically, while they picked drummers from many parts of the planet, they chose the one who was, physically and figuratively, closest to home.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Mindflux on January 22, 2013, 10:56:33 AM
Not seeing it at all.

(https://www.ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/fred.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Letter M on January 22, 2013, 10:59:45 AM
You're right, it's probably just me... :hat

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Mindflux on January 22, 2013, 11:02:47 AM

And ironically, while they picked drummers from many parts of the planet, they chose the one who was, physically and figuratively, closest to home.

ZOMG IT WAS A NUGGET. THEY WANTED A GUY CLOSE TO HOME TO PLAY HOME, LIVE.
extra nuggety: home just started playing in my iTunes.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Zydar on January 22, 2013, 11:10:12 AM
(https://img534.imageshack.us/img534/788/mmlol.png)

Did the guy finally realize that he got the spot in DT? ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: philmcson on January 22, 2013, 11:14:07 AM

And ironically, while they picked drummers from many parts of the planet, they chose the one who was, physically and figuratively, closest to home.

-Marc.

I think that was more or less clear..... they always said they wanted a drummer who'd be committed to DT, who else could it have been? Priester from Brazil, Wildoer from Sweden? Come on.... okay, Lang, Minnemann, Roddy and Donati also reside in the US but Roddy said he wouldn't dedicate that much time to DT, Lang is also too busy with his clinics and stuff.... Minnemann was the only one who stirred it up a bit, but maybe he's also told them a thing or two about his mid-term plans....
Long story short, I'm more or less sure they already knew who they'd pick or at least had a general idea and just needed a rehearsal to assure themselves and 6 background actors to have some material for a dvd  :D

But - the really great thing from this documentary is that it contained so much DT songs in the background that I spent several days investigating the songs and this film is in fact what made DT my favorite band, so my rant is in fact unfounded....  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
Anyways, I just did re-watch the documentary "The Spirit Carries On" just the other night, and I was amazed (once more) at the emotion that MM poured out in the beginning and the end. It was totally clear that they really wanted him, and that he really wanted to join the band. It also astonished me that they really did, literally, get drummers from all over the world (every continent except Africa and Asia, I believe). And ironically, while they picked drummers from many parts of the planet, they chose the one who was, physically and figuratively, closest to home.
In terms of background, age, family situation, and yes, geography, they really did choose someone that was basically "one of them".
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on January 22, 2013, 12:40:51 PM
The part in the DVD where JM says that he had to just "speak his mind"...
I wonder what the hell he said. I would love to hear that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Letter M on January 22, 2013, 12:44:22 PM
The part in the DVD where JM says that he had to just "speak his mind"...
I wonder what the hell he said. I would love to hear that.

I think if we heard it, uncensored, our minds would explode. It's best kept a secret among the band members and those who were there that day...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jonnybaxy on January 22, 2013, 12:48:16 PM
Is this title a reference to A7X?  :lol

Awkward... :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
No. Clearly not.

Mike Mangini is ALIVE...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: wasteland on January 22, 2013, 01:17:17 PM
The part in the DVD where JM says that he had to just "speak his mind"...
I wonder what the hell he said. I would love to hear that.

He spoke his mind. Playing the bass. They all understood immediately.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2013, 01:22:18 PM
The part in the DVD where JM says that he had to just "speak his mind"...
I wonder what the hell he said. I would love to hear that.

He spoke his mind. Playing the bass. They all understood immediately.

They knew he was serious.

He played an H#
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: philmcson on January 22, 2013, 01:54:57 PM
The part in the DVD where JM says that he had to just "speak his mind"...
I wonder what the hell he said. I would love to hear that.

".................!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jonnybaxy on January 22, 2013, 02:02:38 PM
The part in the DVD where JM says that he had to just "speak his mind"...
I wonder what the hell he said. I would love to hear that.

".................!!!!!!!"

"....bass"
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 22, 2013, 02:23:11 PM
Is this title a reference to A7X?  :lol

Awkward... :P
That's how JLB worded it when they welcomed him into the band ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 22, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Is this title a reference to A7X?  :lol

Awkward... :P
That's how JLB worded it when they welcomed him into the band ;)
And when JLB said that, the first thing I thought was, "..too soon..."

jk

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ArchVile on January 22, 2013, 03:34:11 PM
... bass

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: snapple on February 04, 2013, 06:32:09 PM
Mike Mangini is a sexy man beast.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on February 05, 2013, 12:56:35 AM
Mike Mangini is a sexy man beast.
^ this man knows what's up.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 07, 2013, 03:24:07 PM
I thought you guys might get a kick of this:

Annihilator live in 1993 with MM! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WyHezG-Juw) Bad quality though.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: snapple on February 08, 2013, 07:13:47 AM
this is nuts. especially 2:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: chwik on February 09, 2013, 04:21:02 AM
Just gotta love that guy!  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuUPAjaacnY
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 09, 2013, 05:49:05 AM
this is nuts. especially 2:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00GXRzoJbiI
Yea that's awesome and btw you gotta hand it to Jeff Waters when it come to riffing, some of the riffs he comes up with are just killer!

Just gotta love that guy!  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuUPAjaacnY
He's so humble and that's actually a great way to practice your single stroke speed by shifting the tempo in rythmic values. I used to do that in school alot but not with focus on speed though.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: sylvinception on March 28, 2013, 06:17:29 AM
Of course Mike Portnoy will remains forever in our hearts. :hefdaddy

But for the band I think it was the best thing to do.
For me "BC&SL" is the very first bad album from DT, I couldn't stand to listen the "AA" lyrics of Mike again and again ( :facepalm:), and "The shattered fortress" - nothing more than a horrible medley - was the song which made me realise he was gone too far, and that he had lost a big part of his inspiration.

And when I remember he said "I need a long break", and now he has many ongoing projects...sorry but something was wrong.
Perhaps Mike himself was a little lost and confused...

Mangini brings a welcomed freshness in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dreamer81 on March 28, 2013, 02:14:01 PM
Of course Mike Portnoy will remains forever in our hearts. :hefdaddy

But for the band I think it was the best thing to do.
For me "BC&SL" is the very first bad album from DT, I couldn't stand to listen the "AA" lyrics of Mike again and again ( :facepalm:), and "The shattered fortress" - nothing more than a horrible medley - was the song which made me realise he was gone too far, and that he had lost a big part of his inspiration.

And when I remember he said "I need a long break", and now he has many ongoing projects...sorry but something was wrong.
Perhaps Mike himself was a little lost and confused...

Mangini brings a welcomed freshness in the band.

I completely agree on this!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: lyfeternl on April 03, 2013, 07:31:06 AM
I enjoy the fact that with MM, the band functions more as a unit and a true "band."

With MP, it was starting to feel like "Mike Portnoy and the Dream Theaters"

Granted, both drummers are amazing, but Mike Mangini has this attitude of humility all the while proceeding to blow our minds with drumming abilities!  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DebraKadabra on April 03, 2013, 11:51:32 AM
Perhaps Mike himself was a little lost and confused...

I agree, and I think his father's untimely passing had a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: farizfariz on May 13, 2013, 04:24:31 AM
Up this thread goes !  :yarr
Another example of Mike Mangini's virtuosity :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6y4ipRjDME

Mike Mangini jamming with Cheickh Ibrahima (Djembe Player) at Hungary.
He can fit to any music, what a drummer  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 13, 2013, 04:32:35 AM
Thx for the post!  :tup

Really fun to hear and goddamn that djembe player has some serious chops and dat toooooooooooone!  :omg:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: SystematicThought on May 13, 2013, 07:03:58 AM
I agree, and I think his father's untimely passing had a lot to do with that.
I remember saying that after he left DT. I got attacked for saying it. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DebraKadabra on May 13, 2013, 12:05:55 PM
Seriously?

Well... emotions were running pretty high back then...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on May 14, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
Up this thread goes !  :yarr
Another example of Mike Mangini's virtuosity :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6y4ipRjDME

Mike Mangini jamming with Cheickh Ibrahima (Djembe Player) at Hungary.
He can fit to any music, what a drummer  :hefdaddy


yet again....[ purely my opinion ]...But I really cannot listen to MM soloing. It's all technique. I love solos where it's some technique but mostly big fat grooves .

I love MM as a person and when he's playing with DT but his solos do absolutely nothing for me on any level.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: farizfariz on May 15, 2013, 12:40:42 AM
Up this thread goes !  :yarr
Another example of Mike Mangini's virtuosity :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6y4ipRjDME

Mike Mangini jamming with Cheickh Ibrahima (Djembe Player) at Hungary.
He can fit to any music, what a drummer  :hefdaddy


yet again....[ purely my opinion ]...But I really cannot listen to MM soloing. It's all technique. I love solos where it's some technique but mostly big fat grooves .

I love MM as a person and when he's playing with DT but his solos do absolutely nothing for me on any level.

I'm agree with you, he's not Benny Greb or Johnny Rabb or Jojo Mayer type drummer who really lean their drumming aspect into groovy drumming. Some people call it boring, well, we can't blame that opinion though ;D
But imagine if Mike really putting a samba groove on a DT song, and JM plays maracas, and JLB wearing sombrero hat while singing on the stage....who knows ?  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Sycsa on June 17, 2013, 12:53:07 PM
Gotta post this man-crush inducing picture. Made my day:
(https://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/965898_475389585873308_1865283147_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 17, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
Hey Luigi - another pizza for the - a - ugly - a kid.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 17, 2013, 02:20:19 PM
Made my day.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: wasteland on June 17, 2013, 03:05:11 PM
I want a bit of his happiness.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 17, 2013, 03:17:38 PM
I somehow knew that Mangini would get the job when I found out he was one of the 7 candidates.  I'm glad he did.


I enjoy the fact that with MM, the band functions more as a unit and a true "band."

With MP, it was starting to feel like "Mike Portnoy and the Dream Theaters"

Granted, both drummers are amazing, but Mike Mangini has this attitude of humility all the while proceeding to blow our minds with drumming abilities!  :metal

I agree.  It was starting to feel like the MP show with special guest DT.  The chemistry seems to be a lot better now.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 22, 2014, 02:11:23 AM
Didn't know which thread to post this, anyway here's MM new kit:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1548013_607493235966105_1062451171_o.jpg)

Really liking the blue finish on the drums. Looks like he arranged the bassdrums a little more symmetrical, I like symmetrical things. Beautiful kit!  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2014, 04:37:18 AM
I wonder if the two smaller basses are for show since he no longer has the giant 26" bass drum.

And since he explained that it was for powerful intros and accents - why would you need 4 bass drums of similar size ?

I think take those out and the kit will actually look a lot less oversized.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: adastra on January 22, 2014, 04:47:37 AM
Didn't know which thread to post this, anyway here's MM new kit:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1548013_607493235966105_1062451171_o.jpg)

Really liking the blue finish on the drums. Looks like he arranged the bassdrums a little more symmetrical, I like symmetrical things. Beautiful kit!  :metal

Looks amazingly awesome!!   x____x   
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: haceeb on January 22, 2014, 05:52:55 AM
Didn't know which thread to post this, anyway here's MM new kit:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1548013_607493235966105_1062451171_o.jpg)

Really liking the blue finish on the drums. Looks like he arranged the bassdrums a little more symmetrical, I like symmetrical things. Beautiful kit!  :metal
It's gorgeous, upload more pictures
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 22, 2014, 06:14:47 AM
I wonder if the two smaller basses are for show since he no longer has the giant 26" bass drum.

And since he explained that it was for powerful intros and accents - why would you need 4 bass drums of similar size ?

I think take those out and the kit will actually look a lot less oversized.
Most likely. I have heard of drummers using doublepedals even though they have two bass drums because it's too much of hazle to tune two drums similar and because they feel more comfortable playing with double pedal. They only have two bass drums because it looks cool. I remember the first time I played with two bassdrums, it was a totally diffrent feel than playing with a double pedal especially for you left foot that was used to work a little harder.

(https://www.metal-rules.com/metalnews/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DSC_1081.JPG)
He do use four bass drums but i'm not sure what he use them for.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2014, 08:34:28 AM
Yeah - Ray Luzier, Joey Jordison, Nick Augusto. They all do the two bass drums - but double pedal thing.

Two bass drums does give a nice symmetry to a kit but for someone at Mangini's level - you wouldn't expect them to do things just for show.

Especially not when you hear him speak about his philosophies of playing.

However - he is in Dream Theater - a band that is pretty much OTT all the time :lol with 42 minute songs and keytar solos etc.

And personally - i have always found that two basses with individual pedals was easier than double pedal on one kick since two hits at the same time on one skin kinda gives you less

rebound.



EDIT : That second pic is from the ADTOE tour when he has that massive 26" bass on the left. the DT12 tour - it's not there and is the same size as the far right bass.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 22, 2014, 09:14:47 AM
Do you know what he used the 20-ish left bassdrum for? Yea i would think the switch from two bassdrums to double pedal would be far greater. I remember very vividly one time at a gig when the bar on my double pedal decided to suddenly break during a song. So all my double pedal patterns had to be played with one foot or rather I ONLY played the right foot patterns. It was not my proudest drum moment to say the least.  :angry:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2014, 09:23:58 AM
Hehe. at one gig - my bass pedal broke so i did all the bass drum patterns on floor tom for the final song :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2014, 09:25:54 AM
Also - if he uses the front two for double bass patterns and the 26" one for massive song intros. There really is no need for a fourth bass drum -

- especially when it's the smallest one on the kit. No matter how much " Tooooooooooooone " bullshit you can come up with.

if all 4 bass drums are miked up - then they will be gated, EQ'd, compressed and limited then shoved thru an enormous PA in an exceedingly echoey environment.

There is no way that a 20" bass drum hit will sound hugely different to a 22" bass drum hit in that environment.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TimmyHiggy on January 22, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
he couldn't come into DT and use a smaller kit than portnoy did though, that would be like downgrading :p
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 22, 2014, 09:45:13 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1548013_607493235966105_1062451171_o.jpg)

Loving the kit for this tour! It looks really sharp and clean.

if all 4 bass drums are miked up - then they will be gated, EQ'd, compressed and limited then shoved thru an enormous PA in an exceedingly echoey environment.

There is no way that a 20" bass drum hit will sound hugely different to a 22" bass drum hit in that environment.

Doesn't look like the two kicks on each far side are miked up in that picture... There doesn't appear to be holes in those kicks to put the mics inside the drums like there are on the front two. So I'd guess that maybe they aren't miked up?!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 22, 2014, 12:40:23 PM
I'm sure they're just for show. If you took them out, the rack would still extend out on the sides, which might make it look very empty underneath, so I'm assuming that's why they kept the additional two kick drums, and they made them the same size this time to make it look symmetrical since it's just for show. I think it looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tofee35 on January 22, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
if all 4 bass drums are miked up - then they will be gated, EQ'd, compressed and limited then shoved thru an enormous PA in an exceedingly echoey environment.

There is no way that a 20" bass drum hit will sound hugely different to a 22" bass drum hit in that environment.

Doesn't look like the two kicks on each far side are miked up in that picture... There doesn't appear to be holes in those kicks to put the mics inside the drums like there are on the front two. So I'd guess that maybe they aren't miked up?!

The 2 outside kicks might be triggered or mic'd from the front which would capture more of the impact and less of the bass reverb. He could use them for speedy bass drum parts to keep the kick from sounding muddy in a huge environment. That's all total speculation though.

-Tof
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 22, 2014, 02:27:49 PM
It's a nice colour though. Sleek.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: wolven74 on January 22, 2014, 11:28:36 PM
I'm sure one of the side kicks is an E-Pro kick, perhaps both are. No need to mic those, obviously. Maybe he's using two E-Pro kicks and one of them is replacing the big 26'' kick. So the bigger kick is triggered?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: aurorablind on January 23, 2014, 01:25:09 AM
I saw Mike on a clinic in November, and he said he would be replacing the 18" and 26" bass-drum with E-pros, so they are definitely triggered drums. They probably went with the normal sizes just for show  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: OsMosis2259 on January 30, 2014, 09:28:36 PM
I was watching the Take This for the Pain documentary and the part where Jordan comes in with the continuum until the end of the JAM is just awesome!  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on January 31, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
I was watching the Take This for the Pain documentary and the part where Jordan comes in with the continuum until the end of the JAM is just awesome!  :metal

Need to rewatch this. I forgot I had it.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: The Stray Seed on February 12, 2014, 06:54:42 AM
Hi guys, is there anyone that knows where I can find a list of Mangini's favorite albums of 2013 or 2012? Recent albums anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ? on February 12, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
I can't recall seeing any lists by him; usually it's JP, Jordan and JLB or JMX doing the RR end-of-the-year lists. I'm not sure, though :dunno:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 13, 2014, 12:37:17 PM
MM Drum solo (POV) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_kDNZdE5is&feature=youtu.be)

Really cool edit! Love the poly part at 1:05!  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2014, 12:47:19 PM
MM Drum solo (POV) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_kDNZdE5is&feature=youtu.be)

Really cool edit! Love the poly part at 1:05!  :metal

That was really cool, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Sycsa on June 14, 2014, 05:07:00 AM
Surprisingly retro and very organic drum sound, you can hear the ringing and the overtones from the toms, which isn't a bad thing at all, a nice change of pace from the synthetic sound of DT12. The kick and the snare pack a lot of punch, which is a welcome change compared to Luna Park, where they were weak. There's also some prominent sympathetic snare buzz coming from the toms, but we've had that on LP already as well, adds to the organic feel. Oh, and the playing is as engaging and entertaining as ever, with a lot of replay value, I already watched it three times. I'm really looking forward to hearing how it all sounds on the upcoming DVD, I have a good feeling about this one. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on June 14, 2014, 05:42:05 AM
Surprisingly retro and very organic drum sound, you can hear the ringing and the overtones from the toms, which isn't a bad thing at all, a nice change of pace from the synthetic sound of DT12. The kick and the snare pack a lot of punch, which is a welcome change compared to Luna Park, where they were weak. There's also some prominent sympathetic snare buzz coming from the toms, but we've had that on LP already as well, adds to the organic feel. Oh, and the playing is as engaging and entertaining as ever, with a lot of replay value, I already watched it three times. I'm really looking forward to hearing how it all sounds on the upcoming DVD, I have a good feeling about this one.

Agreed about the overall organic sound, the toms sound good. But the kicks lack a bit of punch in my opinion, maybe Mike should try to use different beaters for the bass drums, i think they sound a little weak and lack clarity, they sound more boomy without much power.

Overall, this is a mindblowing solo, this guy is an outstanding drummer, one of a kind for sure.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 14, 2014, 01:49:36 PM
MM Drum solo (POV) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_kDNZdE5is&feature=youtu.be)

Really cool edit! Love the poly part at 1:05!  :metal

Did I hear the beginning of the Whole Lotta Love drum break in there after the tubular bells part ? :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 14, 2014, 09:40:52 PM
MM Drum solo (POV) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_kDNZdE5is&feature=youtu.be)
Really cool edit! Love the poly part at 1:05!  :metal
Did I hear the beginning of the Whole Lotta Love drum break in there after the tubular bells part ? :P
Thank you! I knew that drum break came from a Zeppelin song but was having trouble trying to place where I knew it from and hadn't had the time to start listening thru their catalog (for the first time in ages) to figure it out.   :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on November 10, 2015, 11:56:29 PM
Watched Breaking The Fourth Wall a couple of times, I didn't get a chance to see them on this last tour because they didn't play Texas but I've seen them on the ADToE twice and it was a blast.
I just wanted to say after watching this BluRay how much I appreciate Mangini being in DT, truly outstanding musician.
Only one other instance -and I think I've mentioned this before somewhere- did a lineup change happen in a band that I've been a fan of for a long time and that is of Metallica. It's been 12 years since Trujillo joined Metallica and I still haven't accepted him a 100%, even resented him for the first 6 or 7 years and he's clearly a better bassist than Newsted so it's not just about technicality, it's about fitting in and it's about a vibe. I liked Mangini since I saw the audition footage and it grew into full acceptance after the fan shot videos of the ADoTE tour came around youtube and I saw and felt the energy he brings into the band even though it still feels like DT, his integration into a band that I've been a hardcore fan of for years was very surprisingly graceful!

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Nothingface on November 13, 2015, 01:11:57 PM
As the ex-drummer for one of my favorite bands, Annihilator, I think Man-gina was a fine choice.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: aglenn01 on November 16, 2015, 10:29:42 PM
Agreed Progmetty,

I could not be happier with Mangini into DT! Let me say I was a huge MP fan; it was JP's insane skills and MP's over the top drumming that pulled me into the Dream Theater fold many years ago. But from the auditions forward, I have had nothing but a positive feel about MM in the band. I get the feeling that it was time, for MP, as well as the rest of DT, to move on.
Please don't take the "MP bashing" stance, as I still really appreciate MP's post DT work, esp with Winery Dogs; But I personally feel that MM is at another level in regards to ability. Now keep in mind, we are talking about musicians that are in the top 0.01% of their respective fields, so objectivity is a factor.  I will say that I had a big hope that Bobby Jarzombek would have had a shot once a change was needed, and I sometimes still wonder what he could have brought into the new band; but I feel that MM has absolutely killed it from day one. Obviously, one only needs to cruise these message boards to get a variety of opinions since the change (hard to believe it has been 5 years). 
I was also listening to the 4th wall in my automobile, which has a nice sound system, and I love how the sound moves from left to right channels--is really cool- with MM cymbals; I think in has to do with his symmetrical kit set-up. I think he brought a cool new feel to a lot of the older songs, infusing his own style into the mix. In particular, I really like the different drum fills in "Lifting Shadows", after the JP slow solo after the verse "and she listens openly"--right before the "pours his soul into the water" section-- really cool fill ending with a nice double bass roll that was not in the original Awake recording.(Nice soulful JP work throughout BTW in that song in the live album.)
Anyhow, just to see other MM supporters Progmetty!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bl5150 on November 16, 2015, 10:39:30 PM
AI will say that I had a big hope that Bobby Jarzombek would have had a shot once a change was needed, and I sometimes still wonder what he could have brought into the new band;

Jarzombek was contacted and knocked back the chance at an audition (if memory serves correct).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Bertielee on November 16, 2015, 11:29:27 PM
AI will say that I had a big hope that Bobby Jarzombek would have had a shot once a change was needed, and I sometimes still wonder what he could have brought into the new band;

Jarzombek was contacted and knocked back the chance at an audition (if memory serves correct).

Correct. BJ didn't want to audition for DT. It's a shame though as he was the first person I thought of as a replacement for MP.

B.Lee
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: goo-goo on November 17, 2015, 08:17:20 AM
AI will say that I had a big hope that Bobby Jarzombek would have had a shot once a change was needed, and I sometimes still wonder what he could have brought into the new band;

Jarzombek was contacted and knocked back the chance at an audition (if memory serves correct).

Correct. BJ didn't want to audition for DT. It's a shame though as he was the first person I thought of as a replacement for MP.

B.Lee

Would of loved for Bobby J to be in DT. Monster player for Fates Warning. His drumming work in Ziergler's Esc is awesome. Check it out.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: SystematicThought on November 17, 2015, 09:36:10 AM
I like him too. Didn't he really not want to get the call either? I thought I remember reading that he really didn't want to get the call or the job
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: goo-goo on November 17, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
I like him too. Didn't he really not want to get the call either? I thought I remember reading that he really didn't want to get the call or the job

IIRC, he got the call from DT's manager but he said he liked the Fates Warning, Halford, and Sebastian Bach gigs so he didn't even want to be considered for the auditions.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Bertielee on November 17, 2015, 02:36:53 PM
AI will say that I had a big hope that Bobby Jarzombek would have had a shot once a change was needed, and I sometimes still wonder what he could have brought into the new band;

Jarzombek was contacted and knocked back the chance at an audition (if memory serves correct).

Correct. BJ didn't want to audition for DT. It's a shame though as he was the first person I thought of as a replacement for MP.

B.Lee

Would of loved for Bobby J to be in DT. Monster player for Fates Warning. His drumming work in Ziergler's Esc is awesome. Check it out.

Thanks for the heads up. I will.

B.Lee
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bl5150 on December 12, 2018, 07:14:29 AM
https://www.moderndrummer.com/2019-polling-form/

Mike's up for a 2019 award in there............I gave him a vote -  and a few others who have had some sort of impact on me (which wasn't many).   Most of the drummers mentioned on that page are news to me  :D


Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on December 12, 2018, 07:42:53 AM
Up and coming...Max Portnoy?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on December 12, 2018, 07:58:34 AM
https://www.moderndrummer.com/2019-polling-form/

Mike's up for a 2019 award in there............I gave him a vote -  and a few others who have had some sort of impact on me (which wasn't many).   Most of the drummers mentioned on that page are news to me  :D

Didn't know Mike was nominated here, definitely gets my vote :metal


Up and coming...Max Portnoy?

Notably following the steps of his father, as he's already in two bands and had to put one on hiatus to join the other one :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 21, 2018, 04:18:09 PM
I think MMs position in DT might be in jeopardy, a new era of drumming has emerged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIG7a1XVCU
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 21, 2018, 10:40:45 PM
I think MMs position in DT might be in jeopardy, a new era of drumming has emerged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIG7a1XVCU

For the first 2 or 3 seconds I thought that may actually be Mangini, ya know, long jet black hair and all. I didn't bother to look at the actual description. 

Then I did look at the description and I really have no more answers than I had before other than it is actually not Mike Mangini but I figured that out on my own at about the :03 mark. 

And now I am posting.

Post.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Darkstarshades on December 21, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
I insist, instead of Mike Mangini they should have totally picked Dave Grohl, he was objectively the right choice
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 22, 2018, 05:16:42 AM
I think MMs position in DT might be in jeopardy, a new era of drumming has emerged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIG7a1XVCU

For the first 2 or 3 seconds I thought that may actually be Mangini, ya know, long jet black hair and all. I didn't bother to look at the actual description. 

Then I did look at the description and I really have no more answers than I had before other than it is actually not Mike Mangini but I figured that out on my own at about the :03 mark. 

And now I am posting.

Post.
Yea it's something to behold, whatever it is.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bill1971 on December 22, 2018, 11:41:46 AM
Very happy they have Mangini. He has more than filled in and added an improved dimension in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 03, 2020, 02:59:32 PM
Mike Mangini (Dream Theater) - drumtalk [episode 52] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjz4-uGeqs)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 03, 2020, 03:21:08 PM
Mike Mangini (Dream Theater) - drumtalk [episode 52] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjz4-uGeqs)
That  is actually his second time he is on that channel. There was one section of his first appearance that actually taught me something beyond playing the instrument, the humanity aspect. (I'll post it here when I find it again. Edit: found it. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afu57XX0iDc 8:21 and onwards) I'm grateful for that as well. Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 03, 2020, 04:34:17 PM
The interview is great, but man, those behind the kit shots during Untethered Angel!! I think I like that song even more now!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 03, 2020, 05:27:32 PM
The interview is great, but man, those behind the kit shots during Untethered Angel!! I think I like that song even more now!

Yeah! :metal I wish they released the whole video of that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 03, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
I think MMs position in DT might be in jeopardy, a new era of drumming has emerged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIG7a1XVCU

" I am convinced he is blind and is just tryna make his breakfast "

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 03, 2020, 05:51:42 PM
I wonder if the two smaller basses are for show since he no longer has the giant 26" bass drum.

And since he explained that it was for powerful intros and accents - why would you need 4 bass drums of similar size ?

I think take those out and the kit will actually look a lot less oversized.

And cut to present day and he only uses one bass drum.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 03, 2020, 05:55:04 PM
I wonder if the two smaller basses are for show since he no longer has the giant 26" bass drum.

And since he explained that it was for powerful intros and accents - why would you need 4 bass drums of similar size ?

I think take those out and the kit will actually look a lot less oversized.

And cut to present day and he only uses one bass drum.

IIRC he said he would've gone with two bass drums but he wanted to use 24''s and he couldn't set the toms the way he wanted with two of them, so he went with one instead. His home kit is basically the same as his tour kit, but with two 22''s instead of one 24''.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 04, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
I think MMs position in DT might be in jeopardy, a new era of drumming has emerged:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgIG7a1XVCU

" I am convinced he is blind and is just tryna make his breakfast "

 :rollin
Found his band: https://youtu.be/t3D9GcetJxk

JMXs hipster brother on bass!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2020, 05:32:37 AM

IIRC he said he would've gone with two bass drums but he wanted to use 24''s and he couldn't set the toms the way he wanted with two of them, so he went with one instead. His home kit is basically the same as his tour kit, but with two 22''s instead of one 24''.

And his home kit has the hi-hats up in the air too - which completely blows a hole in his "seperation for the microphones" excuse.

I love Mangini as a person and he's perfect for DT - but it does seem that he only does things because people told him he shouldn't.

As a drummer I get tired watching him with his arms up all the time.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 05, 2020, 05:35:56 AM

IIRC he said he would've gone with two bass drums but he wanted to use 24''s and he couldn't set the toms the way he wanted with two of them, so he went with one instead. His home kit is basically the same as his tour kit, but with two 22''s instead of one 24''.

And his home kit has the hi-hats up in the air too - which completely blows a hole in his "seperation for the microphones" excuse.

I love Mangini as a person and he's perfect for DT - but it does seem that he only does things because people told him he shouldn't.

As a drummer I get tired watching him with his arms up all the time.
yes, but his notes are clean, so I don't care about that too much and he is very musical about whatever he plays, that's enough.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2020, 05:38:24 AM
He can play his own drums however he wants - but for the ADTOE tour - he "absolutely needed" 4 bass drums. Now he has 1.

Then people joked about his cymbals being so high up - so now his hi hats are up there too.

Next tour is he going to be playing the entire kit suspended upside down from the ceiling - because " his arms just hang down and its easier when gravity does half the work..." ?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: erwinrafael on July 05, 2020, 05:48:43 AM
And his home kit has the hi-hats up in the air too - which completely blows a hole in his "seperation for the microphones" excuse.

He now set up his home kit for recording purposes. Implied in this Facebook post, him now engineering his own sound:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3047097275339010&id=111860865529347&fs=0&focus_composer=0
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2020, 05:59:01 AM
The next album will be interesting. DT have their own HQ/Studio now and if Mangini records his own drums at home and gets the sound HE wants it could sound even better than

Distance Over Time - which already sounded great.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: darkshade on July 05, 2020, 08:58:34 AM
How about Mangini have his entire drum set suspended in air while he plays standing the whole time, because you're supposed to have the drums resting on the floor? :o
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2020, 09:35:02 AM
How about Mangini have his entire drum set suspended in air while he plays standing the whole time, because you're supposed to have the drums resting on the floor? :o

Oh god now he's going to read this 😩

Next he'll stop hitting the drums with actual sticks and use his hands " to transfer my souuuuuuuuul " into the kit.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: darkshade on July 05, 2020, 09:52:30 AM
How about Mangini have his entire drum set suspended in air while he plays standing the whole time, because you're supposed to have the drums resting on the floor? :o

Oh god now he's going to read this 😩

Next he'll stop hitting the drums with actual sticks and use his hands " to transfer my souuuuuuuuul " into the kit.

Next logical step is using his mind to play the drums.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 05, 2020, 07:56:17 PM
Because people seem to be hating on Mike for doing this, here's a nice explanation by Gavin Harrison on why his crash cymbals are so high https://youtu.be/MCJ4hrFOIhc?t=1269 ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 06, 2020, 02:20:12 AM
Not hating - just that no other drummer has ever done / said the same thing.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 06, 2020, 07:38:43 AM
I recommend this video for the whole “cymbal” thing. Much ado about nothing.
https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Lax on July 07, 2020, 12:24:58 AM
I'm fine with MM as DT's drummer, my only gripe is the typewriter sound of the drumkit...
Okay, it probably works the best with playing fast, but I always feel like hearing fear factory's drumkit, PLEASE, more organic sounding everything and more cymbals to the mix :D
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: erwinrafael on July 07, 2020, 01:21:21 AM
I'm fine with MM as DT's drummer, my only gripe is the typewriter sound of the drumkit...
Okay, it probably works the best with playing fast, but I always feel like hearing fear factory's drumkit, PLEASE, more organic sounding everything and more cymbals to the mix :D

Something like this, the best sounding Mangini to my ears:

Stones (https://open.spotify.com/track/36FFzXAN0g3wTjuXik6Fw1?si=1DB09DlFTGeZMR0G82c1XQ)

Snowy Day (https://open.spotify.com/track/14pAQPeKyRS9tpITCAmdyS?si=ay2733lGThephAPPaKeutw)

Hell yeah.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 07, 2020, 05:48:05 AM
His kit sounds phat in his home studio videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW9l1CN2oO0

Who knows ? Maybe it sounds like that soloed on Distance Over Time - but with everything else it gets a bit buried.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 07, 2020, 05:51:50 AM
His kit sounds phat in his home studio videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW9l1CN2oO0

Who knows ? Maybe it sounds like that soloed on Distance Over Time - but with everything else it gets a bit buried.
it does actually, but only on the 24 bit version on the Bluray of the album (this may give you an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYEwb6cJYf0), the Bluray is where it's at, seriously
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 07, 2020, 05:53:32 AM
I recommend this video for the whole “cymbal” thing. Much ado about nothing.
https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8

They may be closer *inwards*  - but at 3:05 in the Pale Blue Dot explanation video - he clearly *IS* at full stretch to stop the chinas ringing out.

It will be interesting to see if the Hi Hats etc are so far away on the next tour.



----

EDIT : I actually think that his drums sound better with each successive DT album he's on.

DT12 just needed a sharper snare sound. I had no problem with the Astonishing drum sound and D/T was great.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 07, 2020, 12:49:42 PM
His kit sounds phat in his home studio videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW9l1CN2oO0

Damn that does sound good, never seen that video before.

I recommend this video for the whole “cymbal” thing. Much ado about nothing.
https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8

EDIT : I actually think that his drums sound better with each successive DT album he's on.

agreed
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hunnus2000 on July 07, 2020, 02:46:10 PM
His kit sounds phat in his home studio videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW9l1CN2oO0

Damn that does sound good, never seen that video before.

I recommend this video for the whole “cymbal” thing. Much ado about nothing.
https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8

EDIT : I actually think that his drums sound better with each successive DT album he's on.

agreed

I love the way he demonstrates PBT in the very beginning and counts off 19, demonstrates it, plays it in real time then shrugs and goes 'that's that' at around the 40 second mark. It cracks me up because he's basically going, what's the big deal? I mean, it sounds easy to me but I know better.

And yes, they have done a better job capturing his tone with each album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 08, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
His kit sounds phat in his home studio videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW9l1CN2oO0

I forgot to comment on this. I realize it’s just the drums, and they aren’t fighting a wall of guitars in the mix, and that’s why it’s so good. One of the best drum sounds I’ve heard. And as much I’m looking forward to JP’s new album, I’m very interested in hearing Mike’s solo albums that he said he’s working on.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2020, 01:37:12 AM

I love the way he demonstrates PBT in the very beginning and counts off 19, demonstrates it, plays it in real time then shrugs and goes 'that's that' at around the 40 second mark. It cracks me up because he's basically going, what's the big deal? I mean, it sounds easy to me but I know better.

And yes, they have done a better job capturing his tone with each album.

To me - as a drummer who is a little more obsessed with the feel and playing for the song...I find it a bit weird that he demonstrates a section of a song then talks you through

what he was thinking mathematically rather than complimenting the music or just playing along with the feel of the section etc. It's always

" this section is in 19 - so I played 3 16th notes in 7 and then 7 32nd notes in 5 " yadda yadda.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2020, 02:42:36 AM

I love the way he demonstrates PBT in the very beginning and counts off 19, demonstrates it, plays it in real time then shrugs and goes 'that's that' at around the 40 second mark. It cracks me up because he's basically going, what's the big deal? I mean, it sounds easy to me but I know better.

And yes, they have done a better job capturing his tone with each album.

To me - as a drummer who is a little more obsessed with the feel and playing for the song...I find it a bit weird that he demonstrates a section of a song then talks you through

what he was thinking mathematically rather than complimenting the music or just playing along with the feel of the section etc. It's always

" this section is in 19 - so I played 3 16th notes in 7 and then 7 32nd notes in 5 " yadda yadda.

Well i think this is how his brain works. Having watched quite a lot of his videos, and the way he approaches improvisation and composition, he's just a very unique person. It's his way of complimenting the music, but he thinks in a very systematic way and is very quick to break down any kind of rhythm in a "binary" way, so to speak.

I think if you notice the way he plays the cymbals you can understand the difference in how he feels the beat, compared to MP for example. It feels like he's putting the notes in a grid. In some songs it works really well, in some others it might feel a bit weird, but that's also because of the non-dynamic production he's had on the DT albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 09, 2020, 09:17:19 AM

I love the way he demonstrates PBT in the very beginning and counts off 19, demonstrates it, plays it in real time then shrugs and goes 'that's that' at around the 40 second mark. It cracks me up because he's basically going, what's the big deal? I mean, it sounds easy to me but I know better.

And yes, they have done a better job capturing his tone with each album.

To me - as a drummer who is a little more obsessed with the feel and playing for the song...I find it a bit weird that he demonstrates a section of a song then talks you through

what he was thinking mathematically rather than complimenting the music or just playing along with the feel of the section etc. It's always

" this section is in 19 - so I played 3 16th notes in 7 and then 7 32nd notes in 5 " yadda yadda.

Well i think this is how his brain works. Having watched quite a lot of his videos, and the way he approaches improvisation and composition, he's just a very unique person. It's his way of complimenting the music, but he thinks in a very systematic way and is very quick to break down any kind of rhythm in a "binary" way, so to speak.

I think if you notice the way he plays the cymbals you can understand the difference in how he feels the beat, compared to MP for example. It feels like he's putting the notes in a grid. In some songs it works really well, in some others it might feel a bit weird, but that's also because of the non-dynamic production he's had on the DT albums.

Yeah, he's definitely feeling the music and playing what feels most musical to him, it's just that he's wired in a much more mathematical way than most of us. To me, it's fascinating.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nattmorker on July 09, 2020, 03:51:57 PM


Yeah, he's definitely feeling the music and playing what feels most musical to him, it's just that he's wired in a much more mathematical way than most of us. To me, it's fascinating.

That's fascinating to me aswell. That's what feel most musical to him, everyone feels things differently. As a mathematician myself, I see that many people don't think mathematics are beautiful and rather think of them as a mechanical-cold thing, but mathematics are one of the most beautiful, deep and artistic expression of the mind. It's an indescribable beauty!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 12, 2020, 03:13:32 PM

I love the way he demonstrates PBT in the very beginning and counts off 19, demonstrates it, plays it in real time then shrugs and goes 'that's that' at around the 40 second mark. It cracks me up because he's basically going, what's the big deal? I mean, it sounds easy to me but I know better.

And yes, they have done a better job capturing his tone with each album.

To me - as a drummer who is a little more obsessed with the feel and playing for the song...I find it a bit weird that he demonstrates a section of a song then talks you through

what he was thinking mathematically rather than complimenting the music or just playing along with the feel of the section etc. It's always

" this section is in 19 - so I played 3 16th notes in 7 and then 7 32nd notes in 5 " yadda yadda.

Well i think this is how his brain works. Having watched quite a lot of his videos, and the way he approaches improvisation and composition, he's just a very unique person. It's his way of complimenting the music, but he thinks in a very systematic way and is very quick to break down any kind of rhythm in a "binary" way, so to speak.

I think if you notice the way he plays the cymbals you can understand the difference in how he feels the beat, compared to MP for example. It feels like he's putting the notes in a grid. In some songs it works really well, in some others it might feel a bit weird, but that's also because of the non-dynamic production he's had on the DT albums.

He breathes numbers.

He even wrote a song about a guy who was obsessed with the number 137. That alone, should explain his reasoning with using math in his drumming to compliment different Tempo and Time Patterns. It's pretty cool if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 13, 2020, 06:45:52 AM
...to be fair - he noticed that the tempo of the jam they were playing was 137 BPM which reminded him of the story...

It wasn't like he rocked up to Yonderbarn one day and announced he was going to write a song about The Number 137 and it shall be 137BPM
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: N4Player on July 15, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
Mike Mangini (Dream Theater) - drumtalk [episode 52] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjz4-uGeqs)

Thanks for posting this. I really hope that Mangini continues with DT long term. I also hope he is given the freedom he was on D/T. Its his best album and showcases his strengths the best so far. I've been a huge fan of his since I saw him with Extreme in 95. I would be lying if I didn't admit that the whole JP/MP solo album thing doesn't have me feeling like the door is open for a Mangini exit. It would be a shame. All respect to Portnoy as Dream Theater has been my fave for a long time now, but I don't want him back. The social media marketing I'm sure will help John Petrucci sell more Terminal Velocity records, but I hope it isn't at the cost of losing someone of Mangini's humanity and talent. Just get the feeling Mangini isn't quite himself in the interview. He could just be tired. I would have loved to have seen Terminal Velocity with Myung and Mangini. Not a criticism, just would have been cool.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 16, 2020, 06:00:38 PM
Thanks for posting this. I really hope that Mangini continues with DT long term. I also hope he is given the freedom he was on D/T. Its his best album and showcases his strengths the best so far. I've been a huge fan of his since I saw him with Extreme in 95. I would be lying if I didn't admit that the whole JP/MP solo album thing doesn't have me feeling like the door is open for a Mangini exit. It would be a shame. All respect to Portnoy as Dream Theater has been my fave for a long time now, but I don't want him back. The social media marketing I'm sure will help John Petrucci sell more Terminal Velocity records, but I hope it isn't at the cost of losing someone of Mangini's humanity and talent.

I feel kind of the same way as you. Now I think Portnoy returning isn't a matter of "if" anymore, but a matter of "when", I just hope that happens if MM leaves by his own will and not because they ask him to.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 16, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Thanks for posting this. I really hope that Mangini continues with DT long term. I also hope he is given the freedom he was on D/T. Its his best album and showcases his strengths the best so far. I've been a huge fan of his since I saw him with Extreme in 95. I would be lying if I didn't admit that the whole JP/MP solo album thing doesn't have me feeling like the door is open for a Mangini exit. It would be a shame. All respect to Portnoy as Dream Theater has been my fave for a long time now, but I don't want him back. The social media marketing I'm sure will help John Petrucci sell more Terminal Velocity records, but I hope it isn't at the cost of losing someone of Mangini's humanity and talent.

I feel kind of the same way as you. Now I think Portnoy returning isn't a matter of "if" anymore, but a matter of "when", I just hope that happens if MM leaves by his own will and not because they ask him to.

I agree with this. A few years ago I would have thought there was no way Mangini would leave on his own. Or that they would let Portnoy come back. But, after that interview with MM that was was posted recently. I have the feeling that if he isn’t more involved on the next album, he may lose interest. He seemed almost insulted when talking about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: SjundeInseglet on July 16, 2020, 06:44:47 PM

I feel kind of the same way as you. Now I think Portnoy returning isn't a matter of "if" anymore, but a matter of "when", I just hope that happens if MM leaves by his own will and not because they ask him to.

Let's get some focus here, people. MP has just recorded the drum parts for a JP solo album. People keep referring to it as a collaboration of some sort but that couldn't be farther away from the truth. He just recorded drum parts (with whatever degree of liberty) for music that was entirely written and conceived by JP. His actual input was likely equal to that of any hired session musician (JP and MP's long history as writing partners in DT notwithstanding). I don't understand how that translates into some sort of profecy that MP is bound to return to DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 16, 2020, 08:03:02 PM

I feel kind of the same way as you. Now I think Portnoy returning isn't a matter of "if" anymore, but a matter of "when", I just hope that happens if MM leaves by his own will and not because they ask him to.

Let's get some focus here, people. MP has just recorded the drum parts for a JP solo album. People keep referring to it as a collaboration of some sort but that couldn't be farther away from the truth. He just recorded drum parts (with whatever degree of liberty) for music that was entirely written and conceived by JP. His actual input was likely equal to that of any hired session musician (JP and MP's long history as writing partners in DT notwithstanding). I don't understand how that translates into some sort of profecy that MP is bound to return to DT.
That's true, but it's one of the initial building blocks that could lead to MP returning to DT. 4 or 5 years after the split, the idea that MP would appear on a JP album would have been unheard of. In fact, it still was a surprise to many people, but given the thawing tensions between MP and most of the band, it wasn't a completely abrupt shock that no one could have seen coming. And of course, this bodes well for an LTE reunion which has been brought up before, and in particular since the pandemic started. You can be sure that MP will be fully collaborating with JP and JR in that setting.

Does that guarantee MP's return to DT? Not at all. There's a lot of other variables that would need to be discussed, not the least of which would be regarding MM. Nonetheless, the possibility of MP returning is far more likely than ever before.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 16, 2020, 08:43:24 PM
I can see only if MM left on his own accord. I'm honestly not surprised that JP is having MP play on his solo album. It's not like JP is doing an album of mumba trance music. MP will fit in very nicely into the style of his album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kyo on July 18, 2020, 07:04:19 AM
I agree with this. A few years ago I would have thought there was no way Mangini would leave on his own. Or that they would let Portnoy come back. But, after that interview with MM that was was posted recently. I have the feeling that if he isn’t more involved on the next album, he may lose interest. He seemed almost insulted when talking about it.

Yeah, he sounded kinda resigned in that interview. It wasn't recorded all that recently, but it fits with the current mood I guess. Maybe some of this is in fact the reason why JP worked with MP on Terminal Velocity and why he and JR have agreed to do another LTE now. Maybe for Mangini it ultimately isn't what he had been hoping for and they are seeing if the time might be right to go back. We'll see.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on July 18, 2020, 07:12:49 AM


Yeah, he sounded kinda resigned in that interview. It wasn't recorded all that recently, but it fits with the current mood I guess. Maybe some of this is in fact the reason why JP worked with MP on Terminal Velocity and why he and JR have agreed to do another LTE now. Maybe for Mangini it ultimately isn't what he had been hoping for and they are seeing if the time might be right to go back. We'll see.

Based on Portnoy's comments in his latest vinyl video, the LTE thing still sounds iffy.  I could see it being where he, Petrucci and Rudess are all on board to do a new LTE album, but Tony Levin is the question mark.  If that is the case, I hope it becomes an "all or none" situation. While there are certainly a lot of bass players who could hold their own as a player with those three, Levin's unique style is a big reason why the LTE sound is so great, and that is not replaceable.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 18, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Mangini seems happy to me in Dream Theater. Wasn't that comment made before D/T was made? I could've sworn I read him saying that before they went into the studio, after The Astonishing tours.

If we get a Mangini solo album soon. It'd be awesome to compare his and JP's, that way we could get a hint of what Mangini can bring to the future albums.

At the end of the day, I think he's grateful he's in a band where he can implement his vast Technical Knowledge and finally use the Wonderous Drum Kit Setup he has been working on before being in Dream Theater, and still is improving.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 18, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
Mangini seems happy to me in Dream Theater. Wasn't that comment made before D/T was made? I could've sworn I read him saying that before they went into the studio, after The Astonishing tours.

If we get a Mangini solo album soon. It'd be awesome to compare his and JP's, that way we could get a hint of what Mangini can bring to the future albums.

At the end of the day, I think he's grateful he's in a band where he can implement his vast Technical Knowledge and finally use the Wonderous Drum Kit Setup he has been working on before being in Dream Theater, and still is improving.

He talked about that while on tour for D/T.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Northern Lion on July 18, 2020, 04:44:40 PM
Everyone, I love ya.  But this whole MM leaving and MP coming back has come out of whole cloth.  There's nothing to it.  Bringing up interviews that happened right after the creation of TA is completely out of current context.  MM and the whole band loved the experience of recording D/T.  If JP had chosen a different drummer none of this would even be discussed.  Just because he didn't pick JM as bassist, does that mean their thinking of replacing him? No!  Of course not!

Mike was bummed in that interview because he didn't get very much creative input during the writing of TA, that all changed with the writing of D/T.  Just because JP chose MP to drum on his solo album does not mean or imply ANYTHING.

Can we stop with this drama infused nonsense already?  Sheesh.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 18, 2020, 06:20:53 PM
Everyone, I love ya.  But this whole MM leaving and MP coming back has come out of whole cloth.  There's nothing to it.  Bringing up interviews that happened right after the creation of TA is completely out of current context.  MM and the whole band loved the experience of recording D/T.  If JP had chosen a different drummer none of this would even be discussed.  Just because he didn't pick JM as bassist, does that mean their thinking of replacing him? No!  Of course not!

Mike was bummed in that interview because he didn't get very much creative input during the writing of TA, that all changed with the writing of D/T.  Just because JP chose MP to drum on his solo album does not mean or imply ANYTHING.

Can we stop with this drama infused nonsense already?  Sheesh.

Once again. The interview I was referring to was on tour for D/T. It’s on the drum talk YouTube channel. They talk about D/T in the interview.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 18, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
People on YouTube are already *CONVINCED* MP is coming back.

Their proof ?

Dream Theater uploaded Solitary Shell - which has MP drumming on it.

Well i'm sold. . . . .

They also uploaded a WDADU song - does that mean Charlie Dominici and Kevin Moore are also coming back ?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Northern Lion on July 18, 2020, 09:53:59 PM
Everyone, I love ya.  But this whole MM leaving and MP coming back has come out of whole cloth.  There's nothing to it.  Bringing up interviews that happened right after the creation of TA is completely out of current context.  MM and the whole band loved the experience of recording D/T.  If JP had chosen a different drummer none of this would even be discussed.  Just because he didn't pick JM as bassist, does that mean their thinking of replacing him? No!  Of course not!

Mike was bummed in that interview because he didn't get very much creative input during the writing of TA, that all changed with the writing of D/T.  Just because JP chose MP to drum on his solo album does not mean or imply ANYTHING.

Can we stop with this drama infused nonsense already?  Sheesh.

Once again. The interview I was referring to was on tour for D/T. It’s on the drum talk YouTube channel. They talk about D/T in the interview.

Well, scratch that part of my argument, but the rest I stand by.  :lol  I guess I should read first before I start flapping my lips.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 19, 2020, 05:33:20 AM
People on YouTube are already *CONVINCED* MP is coming back.

Their proof ?

Dream Theater uploaded Solitary Shell - which has MP drumming on it.

Well i'm sold. . . . .

They also uploaded a WDADU song - does that mean Charlie Dominici and Kevin Moore are also coming back ?

Yes. Obviously.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 19, 2020, 05:35:30 AM
Everyone, I love ya.  But this whole MM leaving and MP coming back has come out of whole cloth.  There's nothing to it.  Bringing up interviews that happened right after the creation of TA is completely out of current context.  MM and the whole band loved the experience of recording D/T.  If JP had chosen a different drummer none of this would even be discussed.  Just because he didn't pick JM as bassist, does that mean their thinking of replacing him? No!  Of course not!

Mike was bummed in that interview because he didn't get very much creative input during the writing of TA, that all changed with the writing of D/T.  Just because JP chose MP to drum on his solo album does not mean or imply ANYTHING.

Can we stop with this drama infused nonsense already?  Sheesh.

Once again. The interview I was referring to was on tour for D/T. It’s on the drum talk YouTube channel. They talk about D/T in the interview.

Well, scratch that part of my argument, but the rest I stand by.  :lol  I guess I should read first before I start flapping my lips.

 Before I saw that interview, I would have said all of the same things. Now, I’m not saying that this
Rams he’s leaving and Portnoy is coming back. I’m just saying that I now can see a reason why he would leave.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 27, 2020, 06:48:05 PM
Apart from a one-off show - there's no way that Portnoy is coming back to DT.

100%
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 28, 2020, 01:04:43 PM
Portnoy returning to DT is not going to happen unless and until Mangini decides he no longer wants to do it.  Which I seriously doubt.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 28, 2020, 01:17:26 PM
Portnoy returning to DT is not going to happen unless and until Mangini decides he no longer wants to do it.  Which I seriously doubt.
I very much doubt this too.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 28, 2020, 06:03:17 PM
If Mangini quits - I honestly think DT will call it a day.

Seriously. The next album will most likely be out next summer - 2021

A world tour for 18 months - then it will be nearly 2023

Another two more years and it will be 2025 - their 40th anniversary and they will all be pushing 60 with Jordan getting closer to 70.

If Mangini quits after the next album and tour - I don't think 58 yr old Petrucci and 68 year old Rudess will want to go through the rigmarole of getting a new drummer.



----------


Portnoy returning to DT is not going to happen unless and until Mangini decides he no longer wants to do it.  Which I seriously doubt.
I very much doubt this too.


Yes - since his first interviews after he joined which were like " I was crying on my floor praying for a band to come along "...

This is literally his dream job.



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Final Thought :   I literally only see Portnoy back for a one off 40th anniversary retrospective a lá When Dream and Day Reunite. Maybe Both Mikes will play and then that will be that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Volante99 on July 28, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
If Mangini quits - I honestly think DT will call it a day.


Nah. I know some of the DT members are getting a bit long in the tooth but they could be up and running in a month with a new drummer if Mangini left. They wouldn’t even need to stop writing/recording. Not to mention, they’ve got Mike Portnoy (one of the great, stand-in, “journeyman”, ready-to-go drummers in the business) chomping at the bit to rejoin.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on April 29, 2021, 09:43:36 PM
Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of Mike being announced as the band's new drummer. Crazy how time flies!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on April 30, 2021, 01:19:33 PM
Mike's solo album is finished, although not released yet (as he mentioned recently)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on April 30, 2021, 04:28:43 PM
I've heard that youtube interview while doing other things, so maybe I understood wrong, but he didn't say something like the musical/instrumental part was already complete? I understood that he still would come up with the lyrics for his music.
I'm really happy with his growing participation in DT's creative process and I have great expectations about the new album! I think his drumming is a bit of acquired taste. His approach sounds sometimes a bit weird for untrainned ears, but when you start to "get" his style, you start to really appreciate his enourmous vocabulary to write drum parts. A very unique drummer, no doubt!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 04, 2021, 12:21:38 PM
In the hypothetical (and unlikely) world where Mangini quits, my money would be on Portnoy wanting to rejoin but LaBrie being pretty opposed to it. Ultimately, Portnoy would probably rejoin and the classic Portnoy drama machine would be back up and running. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on May 04, 2021, 04:51:53 PM
In the hypothetical (and unlikely) world where Mangini quits, my money would be on Portnoy wanting to rejoin but LaBrie being pretty opposed to it. Ultimately, Portnoy would probably rejoin and the classic Portnoy drama machine would be back up and running. :lol

If it gets to where Petrucci, Rudess and Myung want him back...there would have to be some kind of sit-down, peace treaty between Portnoy and LaBrie. But really, if LaBrie felt strongly about him not coming back, I don’t see the other guys going against him. They just don’t seem like they would fuck James over.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tofee35 on May 05, 2021, 05:57:05 AM
In the hypothetical (and unlikely) world where Mangini quits, my money would be on Portnoy wanting to rejoin but LaBrie being pretty opposed to it. Ultimately, Portnoy would probably rejoin and the classic Portnoy drama machine would be back up and running. :lol

If it gets to where Petrucci, Rudess and Myung want him back...there would have to be some kind of sit-down, peace treaty between Portnoy and LaBrie. But really, if LaBrie felt strongly about him not coming back, I don’t see the other guys going against him. They just don’t seem like they would fuck James over.

I don't think Mangini's going anywhere (and I don't want him to). But because speculation is fun, I think a Portnoy transition back wouldn't be as difficult (personality wise) basically because time heals, Portnoy's controlling nature has mellowed, and the roles in DT are forever changed. I can definitely see a cool one off show that happens in the future. I'm calling that it will be the New York show during the 40th Anniversary tour.

-Tof
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on May 05, 2021, 07:56:04 AM
I don't think he'd ever be ok with playing shows with a click track.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2021, 08:04:02 AM
In the hypothetical (and unlikely) world where Mangini quits, my money would be on Portnoy wanting to rejoin but LaBrie being pretty opposed to it. Ultimately, Portnoy would probably rejoin and the classic Portnoy drama machine would be back up and running. :lol

If it gets to where Petrucci, Rudess and Myung want him back...there would have to be some kind of sit-down, peace treaty between Portnoy and LaBrie. But really, if LaBrie felt strongly about him not coming back, I don’t see the other guys going against him. They just don’t seem like they would fuck James over.

I don't think Mangini's going anywhere (and I don't want him to). But because speculation is fun, I think a Portnoy transition back wouldn't be as difficult (personality wise) basically because time heals, Portnoy's controlling nature has mellowed, and the roles in DT are forever changed.

Yeah I agree. I meant to post something along these lines last night.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2021, 09:26:29 AM
Wounds can heal. But I think JLB will be in the position to ask MP for less of that attitude and way he works to be scaled back or eased on JLB, as that relationship was affected by the musical output. If MP had the chance to change singers, he would have done it.

But now the band has a set groove it is on, and MP would put a damper to that. The only thing I see happening now is a reunion one-off, or guest appearance at the final DT show.

MP did a lot for Dream Theater, but he isn't Dream Theater.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on May 05, 2021, 12:14:15 PM
Wounds can heal. But I think JLB will be in the position to ask MP for less of that attitude and way he works to be scaled back or eased on JLB, as that relationship was affected by the musical output. If MP had the chance to change singers, he would have done it.

But now the band has a set groove it is on, and MP would put a damper to that. The only thing I see happening now is a reunion one-off, or guest appearance at the final DT show.

MP did a lot for Dream Theater, but he isn't Dream Theater.

 :tup :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2021, 03:50:51 PM
The JLB/Portnoy situation reminds me of the Styx situation.  JLB is 58 now and probably thinks there is no need to spend his last few working years as a musician working with something with whom he does not get along (Portnoy), similar to how Tommy Shaw and James Young feel about Dennis DeYoung in Styx.  It's easy to say, "time heals all wounds," but, no, it doesn't always, and why should two guys who seem to clearly not like each other anymore spend their later years working together?  There is little benefit to doing so. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dedalus on May 05, 2021, 04:03:35 PM
The JLB/Portnoy situation reminds me of the Styx situation.  JLB is 58 now and probably thinks there is no need to spend his last few working years as a musician working with something with whom he does not get along (Portnoy), similar to how Tommy Shaw and James Young feel about Dennis DeYoung in Styx.  It's easy to say, "time heals all wounds," but, no, it doesn't always, and why should two guys who seem to clearly not like each other anymore spend their later years working together?  There is little benefit to doing so.

This. You're right.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on May 05, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
I think James just wants to be a blue collar man.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
Bosk, you're my lady.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2021, 06:53:57 PM
This thread feels like the best of times.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: geeeemo on May 05, 2021, 10:01:32 PM
I think y'all have too much time on your hands...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2021, 06:37:03 AM
I love this kind of thing!  Don't let it end!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on May 06, 2021, 07:03:19 AM
Domo arigato.  This is gold. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 06, 2021, 07:34:34 AM
As far as Portnoy going back to being the controlling leader, the jig is up...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hunnus2000 on May 06, 2021, 07:53:28 AM
WOW - two Styx references in a row. Nice!  :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 06, 2021, 08:10:01 AM
All the heroes and legends I knew as a child have fallen to idols of clay
And I feel this empty place inside so afraid that I've lost my faith

But then I come to this thread.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on May 06, 2021, 09:55:32 AM
Mike was at Drum Center of Portsmouth yesterday doing some fun stuff, and apparently, they filmed the whole thing :metal

(https://scontent.flim8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/182980151_10158525430117917_6428147923856165953_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=TH-3zOgjGOoAX_JBZdJ&_nc_ht=scontent.flim8-1.fna&tp=7&oh=7ce171ffd09a7106634f79d7fddf34d0&oe=60BB8BDC)

https://www.facebook.com/drumcenternh/posts/10158525440472917
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: evilasiojr on May 06, 2021, 11:32:07 AM
Mike was at Drum Center of Portsmouth yesterday doing some fun stuff, and apparently, they filmed the whole thing :metal

(https://scontent.flim8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/182980151_10158525430117917_6428147923856165953_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=TH-3zOgjGOoAX_JBZdJ&_nc_ht=scontent.flim8-1.fna&tp=7&oh=7ce171ffd09a7106634f79d7fddf34d0&oe=60BB8BDC)

https://www.facebook.com/drumcenternh/posts/10158525440472917

Interesting!! The cymbals are positioned like before d/t and he's using the effect drum pads again. Reeeeally interesting...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on May 06, 2021, 12:24:25 PM
I think I saw that drum kit in Fast And Furious 9.  Not sure.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on May 06, 2021, 01:55:06 PM
Mike was at Drum Center of Portsmouth yesterday doing some fun stuff, and apparently, they filmed the whole thing :metal

(https://scontent.flim8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/s720x720/182980151_10158525430117917_6428147923856165953_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=TH-3zOgjGOoAX_JBZdJ&_nc_ht=scontent.flim8-1.fna&tp=7&oh=7ce171ffd09a7106634f79d7fddf34d0&oe=60BB8BDC)

https://www.facebook.com/drumcenternh/posts/10158525440472917

Interesting!! The cymbals are positioned like before d/t and he's using the effect drum pads again. Reeeeally interesting...

I think it was just for this kit/event as his home kit has them up like D/T. Still, really excited to see the videos :metal
And, depending on when they upload them, we might or might not get playtrhoughs of DT15 tracks? Not counting on it, but fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 06, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Interesting to see 4 bass drums again. I could easily see him going back to having 2 again, but wouldn't expect to ever see him behind a kit with 4.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: evilasiojr on May 06, 2021, 07:01:46 PM
Interesting to see 4 bass drums again. I could easily see him going back to having 2 again, but wouldn't expect to ever see him behind a kit with 4.

Yeah, that's another setting he used in his first tour kits, like ADToE tour. That's why I think it's interesting he chose to set his drums like this, cause even this kit, with these DT12 cover on the bass drums, he used on the 30th Anniversary European Tour, which was kinda simple too, two bass drums, no pads and stuff. it could mean nothing, but it could also mean something  :rollin we'll see.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on May 06, 2021, 07:03:58 PM
More than likely Portsmouth set up this kit for him at their shop
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 06, 2021, 07:33:32 PM
More than likely Portsmouth set up this kit for him at their shop
But he probably gave them the diagram to use for setting it up - can't imagine they'd just pick out whatever set up they wanted to do without getting his input. Even if they did, it would probably have been far easier to go with the d/t kit than this one - if nothing else because of 3 less bass drums. So unless proven otherwise, I'm under the assumption that this is what he specifically wanted.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on May 06, 2021, 09:12:15 PM
That kit is one of the two he got for his first DT tour in 2011 (the other being the one that we see on LALP and was setup in his home studio for a while), so that's why it has 4 bass drums. After those early shows in 2011, and part of it being used for DT12 (you can see on The Grid DVD) that kit hasn't been used much, besides appearing live on a few shows of their 30th anniversary tour, the video for TGOM, and some dates of the IWAB tour (https://youtu.be/CDZL1Vvl4eg).

As for this event, Mike posted a few updates on Facebook about it a couple weeks ago. He basically said that he took that kit out of his storage, searched for a bunch of hardware parts and drove it to Portsmouth to setup for a "yet to be announced Pearl event" (Pearl is celebrating their 75th anniversary this year). Don't know what kind of stuff did he play, but he definitely wanted to go for the BIG setup and not his current DT or even home studio setup.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on July 03, 2021, 10:03:00 PM
Ten years ago today in Rome, Mike played his first show with the band.

Anyone here attended the show?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 03, 2021, 11:28:42 PM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album. And I find that cool how we got to hear Mangini play a song from each album as our first taste of Mangini live.  :metal

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Mladen on July 04, 2021, 04:00:06 AM
I was not at the show (I did catch the band one month later in Hungary, though), but I remember watching the clips the very next day. It was great to see Manginin rocking the hell out of Dream Theater classics, and there is even a video of him getting a tremendous applause once James introduces him. The feeling that both the fans and the band are moving on was wonderful, I have such good memories from that period.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: DreamerTV on July 04, 2021, 04:08:26 AM
Ten years ago today in Rome, Mike played his first show with the band.

Anyone here attended the show?

Friends of mine.
I was at the second one in the Castello Scaligero (near Verona).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2021, 02:44:43 PM
Mike has downscaled his live DT kit for each album more or less. I hope one day he has his clinic kit on stage as it looks better IMO and has everything he needs to play all DT songs

He just needs to put the rocket toms in front of the toms and he's good.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/00GXRzoJbiI/maxresdefault.jpg)


I never liked massive drum kits anyway and always thought this one in particular was just silly and excessive for the sake of it.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/11/47/9c1147bd28137a5c6b90038ca6be6239.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kocak on July 05, 2021, 03:00:15 PM
Mike has downscaled his live DT kit for each album more or less. I hope one day he has his clinic kit on stage as it looks better IMO and has everything he needs to play all DT songs

He just needs to put the rocket toms in front of the toms and he's good.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/00GXRzoJbiI/maxresdefault.jpg)


I never liked massive drum kits anyway and always thought this one in particular was just silly and excessive for the sake of it.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/11/47/9c1147bd28137a5c6b90038ca6be6239.jpg)

Ditto. His last few YouTube videos feature a smaller kit. I'm hoping for a smaller one for the tour as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2021, 04:07:55 PM
It's funny and ironic how he "needs all that stuff to play DTs catalogue" when MP played all of DTs catalogue and his kit was nowhere near that big.

 :police:




*** - At least not his "Left" kit which he played most of the set on.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 05, 2021, 04:38:19 PM
Mangini, like any drummer, has their dream drum kit, the same as a guitarist has their dream guitar setup. This is that kit. And he never had a chance to use it, as he was never a full-time member to be able to use this kit. That is, until Dream Theater, welcomed him to the family.

Sure he could use a smaller kit, but that's not his dream kit, he designed himself and wants to utilize in composing songs with a band.

I am not sure, but I think the Drum Clinics drums are provided by the host of the Drum Clinic, and the drummer just tells them what cymbals and drums, they need in order to teach in the Drum Clinic.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 05, 2021, 04:40:22 PM
But his ADTOE kit is different to his DT12 kit which is different to his Astonishing kit etc etc.

I remember his saying " I absolutely NEED 4 bass drums to play live "

Now he has 1.

Also - he has said several times he loves winding people up with massive kits - and cymbals way up high so there is that too.

I know he CAN play that massive kit - but surely he should be designing and playing a kit - at his age - that is as easy and efficient to play as is possible.


And before anyone says " maybe it is *for him* "... He has 100% said things in interviews - which i've read - where he said he had to get used to

that massive kit and how he does ache after a show and has to twist around un-naturally to reach everything. But hey. You do you I guess :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 05, 2021, 04:56:29 PM
But his ADTOE kit is different to his DT12 kit which is different to his Astonishing kit etc etc.

I remember his saying " I absolutely NEED 4 bass drums to play live "

Now he has 1.

Also - he has said several times he loves winding people up with massive kits - and cymbals way up high so there is that too.

I know he CAN play that massive kit - but surely he should be designing and playing a kit - at his age - that is as easy and efficient to play as is possible.


And before anyone says " maybe it is *for him* "... He has 100% said things in interviews - which i've read - where he said he had to get used to

that massive kit and how he does ache after a show and has to twist around un-naturally to reach everything. But hey. You do you I guess :)

He did say he needed 4 bass drums, but later found out he does not need 4 bass drums. Maybe because it was harder to mix and haul those 4 bass drums on the tour.

What if, it's just who Mike Mangini is and he likes to play the drum kit he designed and wants to play. Why should play that smaller kit because you feel it'd be better for him...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream Team on July 05, 2021, 07:41:22 PM
I think for a metal band, I like to see the symmetry of 2 bass drums up there.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 05, 2021, 09:19:59 PM
Well, at least it's not as big as Terry Bozzio's massive kit!  :omg:

(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/RpYcrVQuDxA7WUfGhBFvzk.jpg)

(https://i.redd.it/tuemo6ltw2p21.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 06, 2021, 08:02:52 AM
I think for a metal band, I like to see the symmetry of 2 bass drums up there.

It does look good. I think my fave "metal" set up was Lars' S&M/Cunning Stunts set up. It's about right I think. It has enough stuff but isn't excessive for the sake of it.

Compared to someone like Aquiles Priester who has ELEVEN TOMS. I just find it hilarious. Even tuned diatonically that's way more than you need.

Also a lot of metal drummers have 2 kicks for show and they're actually using a double pedal on the one - cause it's easier to mic and sound consistent.

probably triggered as well on top of that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 06, 2021, 09:05:26 AM
I think for a metal band, I like to see the symmetry of 2 bass drums up there.

It does look good. I think my fave "metal" set up was Lars' S&M/Cunning Stunts set up. It's about right I think. It has enough stuff but isn't excessive for the sake of it.

Compared to someone like Aquiles Priester who has ELEVEN TOMS. I just find it hilarious. Even tuned diatonically that's way more than you need.

Also a lot of metal drummers have 2 kicks for show and they're actually using a double pedal on the one - cause it's easier to mic and sound consistent.

probably triggered as well on top of that.

I see you don't really understand the mindset of a drummer.  :lol

A drummer will find anything to hit, all they're doing is picking up sticks. They'll hit the floor, anything that dings, whatever makes a noise with their sticks. The more stuff you have to hit the more fun it is.

I know because my uncle was a drummer, my cousin is, and even my ex-band drummer, all said the same thing. They're just picking up sticks and hitting stuff. And if they have durn sticks, will begin to hit whatever and play.

If you can perceive the mindset of a drummer, why they have a tendency to be excessive with drums will be more clear.

Gavin Harrison has many excessive cymbals but I don't mind it at all. It's how he is as a drummer and how he wants HIS dream kit to be.

Mangini and Terry Bozio are guys that just love drums. It's like a hobby of building model cars or collecting collectables.

But, you obviously know what a drummer needs to be a good drummer.  :yarr
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 06, 2021, 09:19:40 AM
One of the things people look for when judging a singer’s skills is their vocal range. The trend with guitars right now is more strings. All of this serves to expand on the number of different sounds your instrument can make. The way to do that with drums is to have more of them. It makes perfect sense, especially in a genre like metal which tends to be very over the top.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 06, 2021, 12:17:19 PM

But, you obviously know what a drummer needs to be a good drummer.  :yarr

Taking a KB quote out of context ? On DTF ?  ;) ;)

If a guitarist played a 48 string guitar and the fretboard was the width of a plank of wood - am I not allowed to think it looks stupid ?

Mangini can play how/whatever he wants. Doesn't mean I have to like how it LOOKS.



" :yarr " .
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 06, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
If a guitarist played a 48 string guitar and the fretboard was the width of a plank of wood -
Davie504 almost has you covered....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoChroQIA10

OMG!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2021, 05:02:49 PM
If a guitarist played a 48 string guitar and the fretboard was the width of a plank of wood -
Davie504 almost has you covered....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoChroQIA10

OMG!  :biggrin:


WOW! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 06, 2021, 05:26:26 PM
If a guitarist played a 48 string guitar and the fretboard was the width of a plank of wood -
Davie504 almost has you covered....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoChroQIA10

OMG!  :biggrin:

I know this is completely off topic and sorry for derailing (kind of) the thread, but I just can't stand Davie504.
I'm also a bass player and his playing and technique are impressive, he's a GREAT player. BUT, can't stand the kind of videos he does/his online persona (because I don't think he's like that in real life).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on July 06, 2021, 06:12:47 PM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

It does?  ???  I don't see anything from FII, TOT, or BCSL.

If a guitarist played a 48 string guitar and the fretboard was the width of a plank of wood -
Davie504 almost has you covered....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoChroQIA10

OMG!  :biggrin:

I know this is completely off topic and sorry for derailing (kind of) the thread, but I just can't stand Davie504.
I'm also a bass player and his playing and technique are impressive, he's a GREAT player. BUT, can't stand the kind of videos he does/his online persona (because I don't think he's like that in real life).

You need to be SLAPPED.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 06, 2021, 06:13:55 PM
He isn't like that IRL I'm sure but there are tons of great musicians on youtube, gotta find a schtick to make you stick out for better or worse.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 06, 2021, 08:33:13 PM
I know this is completely off topic and sorry for derailing (kind of) the thread, but I just can't stand Davie504.
I'm also a bass player and his playing and technique are impressive, he's a GREAT player. BUT, can't stand the kind of videos he does/his online persona (because I don't think he's like that in real life).
OMG! gzarruk is jealous of Davie504! SLAP!  :lol

As Reaper said, no that's not his real life persona. In fact, if you watch his really old videos, you'll see him just playing and that's it. I've seen a few recent videos where he's talked about his online persona, too. So yeah, it's a schtick, and he's not afraid to admit it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 06, 2021, 09:28:03 PM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

It does?  ???  I don't see anything from FII, TOT, or BCSL.

Not the proper ADTOE tour, but those earlier festival shows in Europe (first shows with MM) did :tup

I know this is completely off topic and sorry for derailing (kind of) the thread, but I just can't stand Davie504.
I'm also a bass player and his playing and technique are impressive, he's a GREAT player. BUT, can't stand the kind of videos he does/his online persona (because I don't think he's like that in real life).
OMG! gzarruk is jealous of Davie504! SLAP!  :lol

As Reaper said, no that's not his real life persona. In fact, if you watch his really old videos, you'll see him just playing and that's it. I've seen a few recent videos where he's talked about his online persona, too. So yeah, it's a schtick, and he's not afraid to admit it.

Jealous of his bass playing skills, definitely! But his videos make me cringe :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 06, 2021, 11:07:34 PM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

It does?  ???  I don't see anything from FII, TOT, or BCSL.

Not the proper ADTOE tour, but those earlier festival shows in Europe (first shows with MM) did :tup


On set-list.fm, it's listed as ADTOE tour. Those early shows are what I was looking at, it's cool that they did that for his first shows.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 07, 2021, 03:17:26 AM
BUT, can't stand the kind of videos he does/his online persona (because I don't think he's like that in real life).

Agree. I'm really not a fan of the HEY GUYS!!!!!! Constant jump cuts every 5 seconds so thetalkingiscompletelyconstantandnobodyevertakesabreathatanypointever!!!!!!

Style of youtuber. Also people who completely over react for the camera like Markiplier who screams and shouts at everything.

I watched a 16 min video about something once and the narration started at 0:00 and stopped at 16:00 and any pause for breath was chopped out so it was 16 minutes

of NON STOP talking.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 07, 2021, 08:25:52 AM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

That’s not true. It didn’t have anything from DT12, TA, or DoT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 07, 2021, 04:23:54 PM
Or DT15. LAZY.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Revenge319 on July 07, 2021, 05:14:39 PM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

That’s not true. It didn’t have anything from DT12, TA, or DoT.

Or DT15. LAZY.

 :o How could they miss such a golden opportunity?!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Another_Won on July 10, 2021, 08:09:43 AM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

It does?  ???  I don't see anything from FII, TOT, or BCSL.

Not the proper ADTOE tour, but those earlier festival shows in Europe (first shows with MM) did :tup


On set-list.fm, it's listed as ADTOE tour. Those early shows are what I was looking at, it's cool that they did that for his first shows.

Are you talking about this setlist?  It doesn't have anything from Awake.
Under A Glass Moon (Phoenix, AZ 12/4/11)
Forsaken (London, UK 7/24/11)
Peruvian Skies (London, UK 7/24/11)
Endless Sacrifice (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
Drum Solo (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
YtseJam (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
The Great Debate (London, UK 7/24/11)
Another Day (Austin, TX 7/7/12)
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy (Montreal, QC 10/7/11)
To Live Forever (Huntington, NY 7/19/12)
Learning To Live (Tel Aviv, Israel 7/19/11)
The Count of Tuscany (London, UK 7/24/11)
As I Am (Shibuya, Japan 4/24/12)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 10, 2021, 09:41:56 AM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

It does?  ???  I don't see anything from FII, TOT, or BCSL.

Not the proper ADTOE tour, but those earlier festival shows in Europe (first shows with MM) did :tup


On set-list.fm, it's listed as ADTOE tour. Those early shows are what I was looking at, it's cool that they did that for his first shows.

Are you talking about this setlist?  It doesn't have anything from Awake.
Under A Glass Moon (Phoenix, AZ 12/4/11)
Forsaken (London, UK 7/24/11)
Peruvian Skies (London, UK 7/24/11)
Endless Sacrifice (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
Drum Solo (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
YtseJam (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
The Great Debate (London, UK 7/24/11)
Another Day (Austin, TX 7/7/12)
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy (Montreal, QC 10/7/11)
To Live Forever (Huntington, NY 7/19/12)
Learning To Live (Tel Aviv, Israel 7/19/11)
The Count of Tuscany (London, UK 7/24/11)
As I Am (Shibuya, Japan 4/24/12)

But that's not a show setlist, it's all the other DT tracks played live between 2011-2012 that weren't featured on LALP.

This is the setlist for the first show with MM: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2011/ippodromo-delle-capannelle-rome-italy-53d36b01.html
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2021, 01:25:40 PM
Yeah, I forgot about and wasn't counting the summer festival dates.  But that is valid.  Those were clearly for the ADTOE cycle.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Another_Won on July 10, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
I just realized that the "A Dramatic Tour of Events" setlist has a song from every album.

It does?  ???  I don't see anything from FII, TOT, or BCSL.

Not the proper ADTOE tour, but those earlier festival shows in Europe (first shows with MM) did :tup


On set-list.fm, it's listed as ADTOE tour. Those early shows are what I was looking at, it's cool that they did that for his first shows.

Are you talking about this setlist?  It doesn't have anything from Awake.
Under A Glass Moon (Phoenix, AZ 12/4/11)
Forsaken (London, UK 7/24/11)
Peruvian Skies (London, UK 7/24/11)
Endless Sacrifice (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
Drum Solo (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
YtseJam (Austin, TX 10/26/11)
The Great Debate (London, UK 7/24/11)
Another Day (Austin, TX 7/7/12)
Through My Words/Fatal Tragedy (Montreal, QC 10/7/11)
To Live Forever (Huntington, NY 7/19/12)
Learning To Live (Tel Aviv, Israel 7/19/11)
The Count of Tuscany (London, UK 7/24/11)
As I Am (Shibuya, Japan 4/24/12)

But that's not a show setlist, it's all the other DT tracks played live between 2011-2012 that weren't featured on LALP.

This is the setlist for the first show with MM: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2011/ippodromo-delle-capannelle-rome-italy-53d36b01.html
Yes, thanks for the clarification!  That is really a great setlist.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Lonk on January 27, 2022, 01:33:09 PM
MM looks really different in his picture here  :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/3wnsoTJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on January 27, 2022, 01:35:09 PM
I think that was taken during his Annihilator days.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream Team on March 17, 2022, 07:59:28 AM
Is it time to update?

Your 5 favorite Mangini drum performances.

Mine are:

Illumination Theory
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
The Alien
The Enemy Inside

A million honorable mentions of course. What an incredible talent.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 17, 2022, 08:31:32 AM
Is it time to update?

Your 5 favorite Mangini drum performances.

Mine are:

Illumination Theory
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
The Alien
The Enemy Inside

A million honorable mentions of course. What an incredible talent.
Hard for me to pick, but that's a good group.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Lonk on March 17, 2022, 08:34:11 AM
I'll have to think about this, but PBD is 100% on that list.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on March 17, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
Don't know if this has been shared somewhere else, but this is a great instrumental track by drummer Rob Silverman featuring both Mangini and Myung :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44xm1gWTo4
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hunnus2000 on March 17, 2022, 02:43:03 PM
Don't know if this has been shared somewhere else, but this is a great instrumental track by drummer Rob Silverman featuring both Mangini and Myung :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44xm1gWTo4

While I didn't get the concept of 2 drummers - I certainly enjoyed it.  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 17, 2022, 02:56:34 PM
I liked the song. It was neat hearing that drum duel in the middle. I think this concept is neat, and can work well.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on March 17, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Is it time to update?

Your 5 favorite Mangini drum performances.

Mine are:

Illumination Theory
Outcry
Lost Not Forgotten
The Alien
The Enemy Inside

A million honorable mentions of course. What an incredible talent.

Hard to pick given how consistently awesome he is.

The Alien
The Enemy Inside
Transcending Time
Pale Blue Dot

AND Lost Not Forgotten, which didn't hit me right away but then I saw him do a sick cover at this drumming festival where you can hear him above the backing track (unlike the recorded version): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_rLiqX4CE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_rLiqX4CE)  - I feel like the track is a great example of how he doesn't play over the other instruments, but knows when it's time to groove/sit back and also knows when it's time to whip it out.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on March 17, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
Not sure I can pick, but I'll give honorable mention to, I think it's Astonishing, where he simultaneously does 2 different drum rolls on two snares, each with one hand.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on March 17, 2022, 06:42:30 PM
DT (my favorites per album, being very unfair to a lot of others):
Lost Not Forgotten
The Enemy Inside
The Gift of Music
S2N
The Alien

Outside DT (being even more unfair):
JLB's Mullmuzzler: His Voice and A Simple Man
JLB: Crucify
Steve Vai: Jibboom (here it seems MM improvised a lot)
Into the Great Divide: Dark Waters

All amazing drum compositions!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Laughingplace56 on March 17, 2022, 06:53:15 PM
The Alien
Illumination Theory
Surrender to Reason
Outcry
The Astonishing (the full album) which is cheating, yes, but while I can’t pick one specific song from the album to add to this list, the album as a whole has endless amounts of incredible sections of drumming that it deserves the recognition.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on March 18, 2022, 02:38:40 AM
My list, though tough to choose from so many great performances (unfortunately sometimes sidetracked due to the sonic issues)

The Alien
Lost Not Forgotten
A View From The Top Of The World
Outcry
Pale Blue Dot
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: erwinrafael on March 18, 2022, 04:49:13 AM
Top 5 Mangini DT performances.

S2N (my personal favorite, wish they played this live)
Illumination Theory (truly a masterpiece, but the studio recording never did it justice)
A View From The Top Of The World (the intro alone is drum composition gold, pure genius from beginning to end)
The Alien (I have a feeling that Mike playing this in a small kit is his way of messing with us)
Pale Blue Dot (Mangini's drum solo lines finding their way into a composition)

Many are awed by Mangini's technique but personally, my admiration for him is how he composes his drum parts.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on March 18, 2022, 05:24:18 AM
Very true, most of MM's parts are very well thought out in terms of complimenting what the entire band is doing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hunnus2000 on March 18, 2022, 07:47:24 AM

The Astonishing (the full album) which is cheating, yes, but while I can’t pick one specific song from the album to add to this list, the album as a whole has endless amounts of incredible sections of drumming that it deserves the recognition.

Yes, yes and YES!

The song, My Last Farewell, is a great example MM's incredible drumming from that album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2022, 08:07:53 PM
Has anyone taken one of Mike's Zoom classes? I've watched a lot of his videos on youtube, and I literally have no idea what he is talking about. :lol

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2022, 02:20:12 PM
BITS Live in Europe drum playthrough by MM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUcWHsPhKkw
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2022, 02:40:55 PM
Also from today, MM at Sweetwater: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBiW5poOwM
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 02, 2022, 01:10:36 PM
The same BITS video but with the click track from the show + some words by MM on why they use a click: https://youtu.be/iCz0dQ_S5nU

Quote
Please read this about click tracks to relate my feelings on it to your own opinions and feelings about it. This is a version of Bridges in the Sky of our (Dream Theater) album A Dramatic Turn of Events. It is a live version with the click track that I hear in my ear monitors every night. Using one camera from the front is a sign that there is no editing of any kind. The levels are not edited either. Nothing is.

Not the click track itself, but having the entire show depend on me amplifies the difficulty of playing Dream Theater music and makes it significantly harder to play.  It is a pressure that has to be experienced to really "get." Nothing can go wrong.

That's different than my using a click for reference, say with the past G3 tours, Annihilator, Dale Bozzio [Missing Persons,] or some songs with Extreme. With DT I did not use a click early on except to reference some beginning tempos. These bands and musicians LOVED the click use. The song samples (like the ones used in 6:00 and many other DT songs,) lined up and feel comfortable. Also, they love it because their instrument delays/effects are in time. But mainly, they really love it because the difficult parts are not too fast; no drummer rushed the tempo.

In the early 1980's, I measured that the average increase in BPM drummers (including me) made on live albums or shows was about +12 BPM. That's an insane amount. Musicians with difficult parts can't stand that. I don't know a single one that doesn't get infuriated when they cannot play their parts.

And yes, I would love to play some nights with no production, nothing on my back, and without this pressure. However, the most important thing is the result. No joy compares to hearing a show back that was executed spot-on while knowing that fans got the best out of me and that it looked and sounded as great as we could possibly make it. There is nothing is worse than hearing old shows compromised with brutal speed-ups than were NOT intended. All adrenaline. Fun at the time for a drummer, never fun for the musicians struggling to play, and no fun later for anyone because the results were not intended. The excuse of "feeling" while ruining songs can take a hike according to the composers and players.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2022, 01:31:07 PM
I literally asked for a video with a click track included in the comments of the first video! Awesome!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 02, 2022, 02:27:34 PM
I love the bridges in the sky video and it helps keep things in time then more power to him.

I've never had a problem of live versions being sped up, that's part of the energy that's in the air during the performance.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 02, 2022, 03:23:11 PM
I love the bridges in the sky video and it helps keep things in time then more power to him.

I've never had a problem of live versions being sped up, that's part of the energy that's in the air during the performance.

I like his reasons for using a click, to keep on tempo with the song without increasing it to the point already complex parts are even more difficult for the other guys to play without fault live.

Makes me laugh cause I can hear JP telling MP, "Yo, my fingers are gonna melt off" during the arppegios in the intro to The Glass Prison on the Gigantour dvd.   :lol

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 02, 2022, 03:57:48 PM
I saw JP at a guitar clinic before the gigantour show in Florida and someone asked him if he alt picked or swept the glass prison arpeggios. He said live it entirely depends on how much caffeine MP has had :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2022, 04:25:41 PM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream Team on July 03, 2022, 05:24:20 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

Maybe, but I kind of get the impression it’s more of pressure from JP and the guys to play that way. But I agree, it detracts from the live feel.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Cool Chris on July 03, 2022, 10:22:42 AM
Was wondering who would be the first to jump on those comments  :)

I almost said something but considered Mike is a bit of a different beast and I imagine being precise and exact is fun to him.

My bigger takeaway, and I am just speaking for myself, is that I don't ask or even expect a live performance to be perfect. It's ok to miss a beat, flub some chords, have a lighting cue out of sync. I've never left a show thinking "man, that show was the best, absolutely nothing went wrong." Besides if I am enjoying.myself I am more likely than not to miss something that didn't run flawlessly, or if I do even care about it by the time the next song starts.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
Was wondering who would be the first to jump on those comments  :)

I almost said something but considered Mike is a bit of a different beast and I imagine being precise and exact is fun to him.

My bigger takeaway, and I am just speaking for myself, is that I don't ask or even expect a live performance to be perfect. It's ok to miss a beat, flub some chords, have a lighting cue out of sync. I've never left a show thinking "man, that show was the best, absolutely nothing went wrong." Besides if I am enjoying.myself I am more likely than not to miss something that didn't run flawlessly, or if I do even care about it by the time the next song starts.

*high fives*

As to your last points, I am with ya.  When I think of the best concerts I have been to, they were all a blast and I left each having no clue how perfect or on point the performances were; I just know I had a blast.  I get that it is different for the performers, and I have no doubt that musicians always want to get it right and not mess up, but a healthy balance is always better if you ask me. In the end, I guess I am just a non-musician who needs to take a hike because I care about the emotions of a song and how it makes me feel. :lol ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 03, 2022, 09:31:14 PM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

Maybe, but I kind of get the impression it’s more of pressure from JP and the guys to play that way. But I agree, it detracts from the live feel.

That's funny because I watched his video pretty quickly after it was posted and I thought in spite of his precision, he still delivered a ton of feel. *shrugs*
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on July 04, 2022, 05:48:51 AM

That's funny because I watched his video pretty quickly after it was posted and I thought in spite of his precision, he still delivered a ton of feel. *shrugs*

In theory, I understand why people are against them using a click, but if you've seen Mangini Era DT live, Mike is as engaged with his bandmates and the crowd as anyone I've ever seen. And yes, he plays with a ton of feel.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 04, 2022, 06:58:54 AM

That's funny because I watched his video pretty quickly after it was posted and I thought in spite of his precision, he still delivered a ton of feel. *shrugs*

In theory, I understand why people are against them using a click, but if you've seen Mangini Era DT live, Mike is as engaged with his bandmates and the crowd as anyone I've ever seen. And yes, he plays with a ton of feel.

I have so much fun watching him play live. I’ve never felt like “oh this doesn’t have the feel of the Portnoy shows”. Plus now they have some amazing production added that they never had back in the day.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 04, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
I can say from experience that I’m definitely the type of person who gets upset with myself when I mess up a part I’ve played hundreds of times, and I’ve also had discussions with bandmates about being mindful of tempos when it comes to songs they start and also have developed facial cues for the drummers I play with to let them know to bring the tempo down or up when a song is rushing or dragging. It’s more than just “oh I messed up this part because the tempo was too fast”. People forget that playing music is a physical thing, and if your body is trained to perform something one way and then suddenly you have to adjust, it could be uncomfortable. I’ll give two examples in my band.

The first example is Come on Eileen. My band does the ska version, which is a bit faster than the original. The way the bassline is fingered, it’s not that difficult but the continuous eighth notes and arpeggiated pattern can be tiring. My keyboard player often kicks into the song faster than normal, and that split second of time between notes that is lost makes a huge difference. If I don’t signal to the drummer to bring the tempo down, my hands will be dead by the end of the song.

The second example is Say So by Doja Cat. We play this song at a faster tempo so it grooves more and transitions more seamlessly into the next song since my band does blocks of songs with no pauses between them. Our old drummer would always play the song at album tempo because, in his words, “this song needs to lay back and groove”, but he was ignoring the fact that the longer vocal phrases meant our singers need more breath support to sing it, and after having played for over an hour, they were definitely tired. The faster tempo meant less time between breaths, which helped our singers immensely with staying in key and keeping a good vocal tone.

My point here is, while someone in the audience might not notice or care about slight mistakes that come with a tempo that’s slightly too fast or too slow, the performer’s body cares a lot, and especially with a touring band like Dream Theater, those tempos being off night after night, forcing them to play or sing parts at a different speed than their body is used to, it could lead to more muscle and voice fatigue than they would have experienced otherwise. For us fans, it’s one night. For them, it’s weeks and months at a time, so those perceived little things become a lot bigger deals as the tour goes on.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 04, 2022, 11:48:42 AM
MM said that DT likes to push their own boundaries at the studio, so live they want to replicate that, not try to play it even faster (and die in the intent) :P

I saw JP at a guitar clinic before the gigantour show in Florida and someone asked him if he alt picked or swept the glass prison arpeggios. He said live it entirely depends on how much caffeine MP has had :lol

This is exactly the best possible example for that :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: goo-goo on July 06, 2022, 09:57:14 AM
MM said that DT likes to push their own boundaries at the studio, so live they want to replicate that, not try to play it even faster (and die in the intent) :P

I saw JP at a guitar clinic before the gigantour show in Florida and someone asked him if he alt picked or swept the glass prison arpeggios. He said live it entirely depends on how much caffeine MP has had :lol

This is exactly the best possible example for that :rollin

LOL

And that is why I prefer the DT live shows during the MP era (studio I do prefer the MM era, where they have become more song oriented to an extent). It added a bit more energy or rawness to the show. I love DT's current stage presentation but playing with the click certainly has changed the feel of the live shows. Not a dig or anything, just an observation.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: erwinrafael on July 08, 2022, 02:20:46 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

This is weird. My main takeaway from Mike's comments is that he is doing this because he cares for his bandmates. He does not want his bandmates to suffer from not getting their complicated parts right just because he was aiming for "feeling."

I mean, if you read the entirety of what he said, that is what you will get. It's almost like you only read the last sentence.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 08, 2022, 09:14:16 PM
TMOLS instrumental break drum cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBF8512o1rk
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2022, 05:48:13 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

This is weird. My main takeaway from Mike's comments is that he is doing this because he cares for his bandmates. He does not want his bandmates to suffer from not getting their complicated parts right just because he was aiming for "feeling."

I mean, if you read the entirety of what he said, that is what you will get. It's almost like you only read the last sentence.

Except that I did read the whole thing, but given that this is your first post in three months and you are the president of the Mike Mangini fan club, I am guessing the bat signal went off that someone said not super positive about the man, right? :lol :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on July 09, 2022, 07:45:05 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

This is weird. My main takeaway from Mike's comments is that he is doing this because he cares for his bandmates. He does not want his bandmates to suffer from not getting their complicated parts right just because he was aiming for "feeling."

I mean, if you read the entirety of what he said, that is what you will get. It's almost like you only read the last sentence.

Except that I did read the whole thing, but given that this is your first post in three months and you are the president of the Mike Mangini fan club, I am guessing the bat signal went off that someone said not super positive about the man, right? :lol :P

All Mike is saying is that ditching a click just to let the tempo be fluid, like Portnoy did, just because it may “feel” better to some people, isn’t right for this band right now. Production + super technical parts = click. It’s obviously what makes the whole band happy and he’s not going to ignore all that for it to “feel” a certain way, for certain people that aren’t up there on stage. He’s not wrong.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2022, 11:36:50 AM


All Mike is saying is that ditching a click just to let the tempo be fluid, like Portnoy did, just because it may “feel” better to some people, isn’t right for this band right now. Production + super technical parts = click. It’s obviously what makes the whole band happy and he’s not going to ignore all that for it to “feel” a certain way, for certain people that aren’t up there on stage. He’s not wrong.

I don't think that it's a matter of right and wrong, to be honest, but more a matter of preference and a different perspective.  From a players standpoint, I get wanting to get it all right.  From this fan's perspective, everything being played exactly right isn't that important.  I will repeat what I said earlier this week (next paragraph), with a bit more elaboration (the paragraph after that):

When I think of the best concerts I have been to, they were all a blast and I left each having no clue how perfect or on point the performances were; I just know I had a blast.

None of the DT concerts I have been to in the Mangini era would rank on my short list of "best concerts I have been to," although four of the five shows were highly enjoyable, especially the first show I saw on the Along for the Ride tour in Chicago and then the show where they played all of The Astonishing.  The exception was the second show I saw on the Along for the Ride in Kansas City, which was so ear-splitting loud (even with ear plugs in) that it ruined much of the show for me. 

If I had to list the best concerts I've ever seen, the one DT show I'd put on there was at the House of Blues in Orlando on the Metropolis 2000 tour.  That concert was unbelievably great.  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy (and was not played to a click :P)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: erwinrafael on July 10, 2022, 05:19:49 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

This is weird. My main takeaway from Mike's comments is that he is doing this because he cares for his bandmates. He does not want his bandmates to suffer from not getting their complicated parts right just because he was aiming for "feeling."

I mean, if you read the entirety of what he said, that is what you will get. It's almost like you only read the last sentence.

Except that I did read the whole thing, but given that this is your first post in three months and you are the president of the Mike Mangini fan club, I am guessing the bat signal went off that someone said not super positive about the man, right? :lol :P

It is more of because three weeks ago, I and half of my band messed up our percussion parts because the lead drummer of our group drummed so fast supposedly because he wants to feed off the energy of the crowd? What did the crowd get? A sloppy performance.

Are you a musician? Do you know how bad a musician feels when he does not get his part right?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: KevShmev on July 12, 2022, 05:37:38 AM


It is more of because three weeks ago, I and half of my band messed up our percussion parts because the lead drummer of our group drummed so fast supposedly because he wants to feed off the energy of the crowd? What did the crowd get? A sloppy performance.

Are you a musician? Do you know how bad a musician feels when he does not get his part right?

I addressed all of this already in my earlier posts.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2022, 06:22:14 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

This is weird. My main takeaway from Mike's comments is that he is doing this because he cares for his bandmates. He does not want his bandmates to suffer from not getting their complicated parts right just because he was aiming for "feeling."

I mean, if you read the entirety of what he said, that is what you will get. It's almost like you only read the last sentence.

Except that I did read the whole thing, but given that this is your first post in three months and you are the president of the Mike Mangini fan club, I am guessing the bat signal went off that someone said not super positive about the man, right? :lol :P

It is more of because three weeks ago, I and half of my band messed up our percussion parts because the lead drummer of our group drummed so fast supposedly because he wants to feed off the energy of the crowd? What did the crowd get? A sloppy performance.

Are you a musician? Do you know how bad a musician feels when he does not get his part right?


Except it's not always that black and white.  There were nights where Led Zeppelin sounded like cats screaching, but there were nights when they sounded SUBLIME.  My single greatest concert moment was Page and Plant in New Jersey during The Song Remains The Same, and the music ebbed, and flowed, and part of the musicians charter - part of "getting their part right" - was being in synch with the drummer (Michael Lee, RIP) as he let the music breath.  There's a difference between moving the tempo and being "out of time".  They are not the same thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 12, 2022, 10:05:58 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

This is weird. My main takeaway from Mike's comments is that he is doing this because he cares for his bandmates. He does not want his bandmates to suffer from not getting their complicated parts right just because he was aiming for "feeling."

I mean, if you read the entirety of what he said, that is what you will get. It's almost like you only read the last sentence.

Except that I did read the whole thing, but given that this is your first post in three months and you are the president of the Mike Mangini fan club, I am guessing the bat signal went off that someone said not super positive about the man, right? :lol :P

It is more of because three weeks ago, I and half of my band messed up our percussion parts because the lead drummer of our group drummed so fast supposedly because he wants to feed off the energy of the crowd? What did the crowd get? A sloppy performance.

Are you a musician? Do you know how bad a musician feels when he does not get his part right?


Except it's not always that black and white.  There were nights where Led Zeppelin sounded like cats screaching, but there were nights when they sounded SUBLIME.  My single greatest concert moment was Page and Plant in New Jersey during The Song Remains The Same, and the music ebbed, and flowed, and part of the musicians charter - part of "getting their part right" - was being in synch with the drummer (Michael Lee, RIP) as he let the music breath.  There's a difference between moving the tempo and being "out of time".  They are not the same thing.
You're right, of course.  But to play devil's advocate, it's harder to do that (not IMPOSSIBLE, just HARDER) when you are weaving back and forth between multiple odd time signatures.

I would still prefer DT to ditch the live click track, but what you're describing is not something they would probably do anyway, at least not in the same way.  It's almost apples and oranges.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on July 12, 2022, 10:16:33 AM
I won't argue that. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 12, 2022, 10:30:17 AM
I won't argue that.
Who are you, and what have you done with Stadler?

j/k lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on July 14, 2022, 05:45:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8VMKCPflk
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 14, 2022, 06:55:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8VMKCPflk

That was a great interview! Just watched the whole thing.

Seems like Jimmy T is mixing his solo record, and it's pretty close to being finished :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on July 14, 2022, 10:29:36 PM
Really curious to hear his drums on it, since he’s having full control of it. Also, I thought it’s great to have real players for the other instruments, since it wasn’t the initial intention, for what I remember.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on July 14, 2022, 10:46:57 PM
Really curious to hear his drums on it, since he’s having full control of it. Also, I thought it’s great to have real players for the other instruments, since it wasn’t the initial intention, for what I remember.


I was hoping he'd mention who are the other players involved, but I guess that's still a secret :(
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hunnus2000 on July 16, 2022, 09:26:28 AM
I stumbled on to a "The Alien" drum time signature tutorial from a former student of MM.

This guy does, what I think, an excellent job of explaining and counting so that a dork like myself can kind of understand.  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC3tiQqyICQ

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 18, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
I stumbled on to a "The Alien" drum time signature tutorial from a former student of MM.

This guy does, what I think, an excellent job of explaining and counting so that a dork like myself can kind of understand.  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC3tiQqyICQ

Shawn Crowder is a ridiculously talented drummer. I discovered him through Adam Neely and their band Sungazer, and the rhythmic concepts he utilizes are absolutely mind-blowing. I highly recommend Sungazer if you want to hear a bass and drums led band push rhythmic concepts to the extreme.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on July 24, 2022, 07:03:55 PM
DT wants the live shows to sound and feel a certain way. Everything the guys -- including MM -- are doing is being done on purpose to try to achieve that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on August 02, 2022, 04:10:26 PM
Great news from MM :metal (https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/posts/pfbid02fyRNN43jTV5esbo5FEz8aczzxM5d1muHjAhHpj7HHmRfmjwNSGw9PYbdShtjmePfl)

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I hope you've enjoyed the videos I posted thus far.  Although people close to me don't hear much back or see me much, there's a reason. Well, a lot more than one. Here are two of them:
One is a finished draft of RK Volume III, the other is a finished SOLO ALBUM tracking-wise. I have been waking up very early and going to bed late to get both done before I leave for Indonesia. Of course, the next stages of both projects need to unfold, but the relief I feel after all these years is pretty special.  RK3 will be out before and in time for the 2022 Holiday Season. I'm praying that Solo Album can come out in some form, or at least in parts this year. As a popular song says, "say a prayer for me" please : )
RK 3 is devastatingly EASY to execute and incredibly mindblowing in design making it extremely powerful, while also introducing the key 'sensatory components in my "microwave" practing juggernaut. The pic is one with just color schemes and options although there are more adjustments to come. It's fun to see them though! Green with adjustments is my choice thus far due to its content as it relates to Volume Two and Yellow might be saved for the mind melting final RK. haha! IDK!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on November 22, 2022, 09:50:02 AM
From MM's newsletter:

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My solo album is fully in the can. I do not know how long it will be before anyone can hear it because the business side is just beginning to unfold. Surprisingly, there are no "prog" songs or time signatures beyond 4/4 on it, but each song has a moment of drumming insanity that I've never had the opportunity to express on any other record in my life as this peculiar use of the drums wouldn't really fit in a normal band situation. Although it is my best drum sound and mix to date, (as it should be for anyone making albums,) my focus was the sing-ability of my lyrics, the feel of the songs, and simply being able to write, engineer, and produce my sound and music my way. Like my bandmates do for their solo albums, I'll probably title it with my name.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on November 22, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
That’s very cool. Has he mentioned who else appears on the album? I’m assuming he isn’t singing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: emtee on November 22, 2022, 10:39:00 AM
I'm curious to check it out but buying it will depend on who is singing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 22, 2022, 11:43:44 AM
I was under the impression that he was doing everything.

At any rate, I can't wait to hear it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on November 22, 2022, 12:53:09 PM
I was under the impression that he was doing everything.

At any rate, I can't wait to hear it.

He said somewhere else that he wrote everything himself, but got real players to record. No names mentioned yet, though.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 22, 2022, 06:29:11 PM
Only 4/4? :eek

I mean, I'm going to buy it regardless but I'm almost sad...and I'm not even a huge prog fan.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: tofee35 on November 25, 2022, 08:13:18 AM
I am actually excited for this because everything is in 4:4 and he wrote all of the parts himself. I always like when talented musicians do something way out of their comfort zone. There's almost always at least something that is a stroke of genius in there. The latest example for me was Weezer recording a full album with only an orchestra and drum kit. DT did alot of experimenting on my favorite album of theirs, 6DOIT. His post actually pulled me in when I couldn't have cared less before.

-Tof
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on May 30, 2023, 12:16:53 PM
Mike performing with Cory Wong for a Pearl Drums event a few days ago: https://youtu.be/REL5YjwOdJ0

They'll probably post the official footage soon, but this one is really good for an audience recording :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on June 01, 2023, 08:42:22 AM
Great new interview from the same event: https://youtu.be/6dBnk9nsUUE
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2023, 05:24:25 PM
Great new interview from the same event: https://youtu.be/6dBnk9nsUUE

Thank you for posting that. Short but sweet. It weird how his personality has not really translated.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on June 01, 2023, 07:30:39 PM
Mike performing with Cory Wong for a Pearl Drums event a few days ago: https://youtu.be/REL5YjwOdJ0

They'll probably post the official footage soon, but this one is really good for an audience recording :tup

He sounds great :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Weymolith on June 02, 2023, 02:44:32 PM
New MM interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iruiz_NBd3c
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on June 03, 2023, 07:01:33 AM
In case you didn't see the whole video, MM confirmed his solo album, Invisible Signs, to be released in August.
But I'm not sure if he confirmed or not a different setlist for the DreamSonic show from the last european leg of AVFTTOTW tour.

Edit: from his Facebook:
"MY SOLO ALBUM, "Invisible Signs," NEWS IS STARTING, but I'll be focussed on the upcoming Dream Theater Tour and will leak out solo album info in bits as August approaches.
This post contains some words on "Invisible Signs" and its development. There’s old information from older inteviews, so I’m posting to make sure that any interested people know what this thing ended up being as different from how it started.
You can see from older interviews, that it went from being all me on every instrument, to ending up including others who morphed it to be better than I could’ve imagined.
I was able to track every thing via the use of virtual instruments. It then changed as players worked off these tracks and applying their expertise with their real instruments; ones that I cannot play.
Watching Petrucci morph lines written from keyboard, or visa versa helped me learn more about that odd translation from instruments that differ mechanically.
I wrote all the solos on Invisible Signs initially, but observations made it easy for me to know that some of these were better served by an actual soloist, espeically and one that will turn heads : )  Therefore, I only kept a few of mine.
More so, I cannot sing to save my life except one time with a Nuno Bettencourt solo gig in London I sang some background vocals in tune channeling my best Ethel Merman tone. Somehow, he got me to get them right. I've not sung anything right since.
Anyway, I made vocal guides during and after the writing of the  initial music. Some songs started with some of these lyrics, not the music. But when the music was first, this was a similar process to the Dream Theater “Room 137” lyrics, except I lightly sang those in person as an outline to John and James and then went on my way knowing they were in good hands.
This time, the final vocalist and I worked together and the parts again morphed. I learned a TON from producing this, especially when I had to change some words to fit how a real singer and different singers actually do what they do and how they differ. It was a really fun experience for me.
I’m really excited about this. Jimmy T., who has worked with me day in and day out with DT for years speaking often about about the intracate balance of every single thing on my drums that only I know. However, I needed his expertise to take my drums up a notch from the YouTube videos you can hear, like “Untethered Angel” for example. The base sound is like that video, but J.T. pointed out what had to morph as the landscape of the instrumentation I used demanded adjustments to the tone of the kit.
Stay tuned. I'm shooting for an August release. In the mean time, DT touring is around the corner, then the JP Camp, then my album.
So there. See you on the road. If I'm smiling all the time, it's because it will be a blast touring with like minds like Devin & Band and Animals."
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 03, 2023, 09:39:50 AM
I'm not sure if he confirmed or not a different setlist for the DreamSonic show from the last european leg of AVFTTOTW tour.
While he didn't state it directly, if you read between the lines on what he did say, at the very least, the songs they swapped in from the new album will be in the DreamSonic setlist. And I still stand by my previous prediction of what the setlist will be: likely an abbreviated version of what was played in Europe with maybe one or two other songs added to the setlist that hadn't been played previously on this album-tour cycle.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on June 03, 2023, 08:37:08 PM
Stretching a bit your scenario, I'm rooting for DT to play the last european setlist, but dropping PMU, View and Tuscany, and adding Transcending Time and another 2 different songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 03, 2023, 10:10:57 PM
Nooooooooooo,  don't drop View!!! 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on June 04, 2023, 07:45:02 AM
I also love View!! (and Tuscany) Just for making room for more songs in a 1h 30m show.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream Team on June 05, 2023, 12:51:38 PM
Well color me EXCITED for this . . .
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nobloodyname on June 19, 2023, 01:44:37 AM
Why am I am not surprised that Mangini would (basically) dismiss feeling and fun as being not that important as opposed to precision and "getting it exactly right"? 

No, he didn't exactly say that, but he might as well have.  One of the biggest criticisms of progressive music is that the players are often too focused on playing technically difficult music and at the expense of feeling, and Mangini just confirmed that he is totally on board with that approach.  Ugh.

Only just seen this. But yeah, no kidding: "The excuse of "feeling" while ruining songs can take a hike according to the composers and players." Just stick on the CD in the auditorium next time, or call it a recital and we'll all sit there in bow ties.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on July 29, 2023, 07:06:50 PM
https://youtu.be/AmFHLTyUwYc
New drum solo
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on August 25, 2023, 11:27:57 AM
http://www.manginiband.com/
There are already some details about the album in the "Album Credits & Info" section.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
Interesting. Female vocals?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: goo-goo on August 25, 2023, 12:24:47 PM
If Dino is singning and Jen is sining/playing, this is going to be (hopefully) an awesome album. Jen's playing is fantastic and Dino is insane in vocals, reminds me of Ark Burn the Sun era Jorn Lande.

*edit: upon reading the credits, seems like Dino is not singing, just recorded Ivan Keller.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on August 25, 2023, 12:31:57 PM
http://www.manginiband.com/
There are already some details about the album in the "Album Credits & Info" section.

Had found this before, but it was still under construction. It's an interesting lineup for sure. Can't wait for the first single!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on August 25, 2023, 12:35:59 PM
I didn't know anything about her. She has a good voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6-X8Dp7K4
I'm really curious about this album. As previously informed, all in 4/4 with insane drumming. And it seems like we'll have also something more acessible, melodic and a guitar driven album (11 guitar solos in 12 songs).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on August 25, 2023, 12:41:52 PM
She was the guitarist for Evanescence for a while and during the lockdown she uploaded many 1 minute covers with different musician friends. Here's the one she did with MM and Alex Skolnick: https://youtu.be/E7IgFcUV5rg?si=6S_mT_OuJ7qz6nxX
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Post by: devieira73 on August 25, 2023, 12:47:48 PM
Really cool!
And with MP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y68_d-25DDE
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on August 26, 2023, 10:00:14 AM
Just a heads up, if you read the "Invisible Signs Musicians" on that site (http://www.manginiband.com/album-musicians/), I think you can have a taste of the overall feel of the album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on August 26, 2023, 12:45:23 PM
the whole story about  how the album came together is still kinda a mess though. many weird sentences and typos galore :D
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on August 27, 2023, 06:35:33 PM
I guess you are talking about this section, right? http://www.manginiband.com/untitled.html
I won't judge the english, it's clearly not my specialty.  ;)
But, I think it's just MM expressing himself in that very complicated fashion that I guess we all are already used to! ;D
He was VERY meticulous describing the making of the album, very cool!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on August 28, 2023, 07:06:36 PM
From MM's Facebook:
"Solo Album & Zoom Classes coming in September. The rest of August is needed to finish up promotional campaign materials as well as expanding my team, especially and handling my social media."
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on August 28, 2023, 07:32:16 PM
From MM's Facebook:
"Solo Album & Zoom Classes coming in September. The rest of August is needed to finish up promotional campaign materials as well as expanding my team, especially and handling my social media."

 :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on August 29, 2023, 08:23:58 AM
I guess you are talking about this section, right? http://www.manginiband.com/untitled.html
I won't judge the english, it's clearly not my specialty.  ;)
But, I think it's just MM expressing himself in that very complicated fashion that I guess we all are already used to! ;D
He was VERY meticulous describing the making of the album, very cool!!

I offer myself up to proof and edit the things he has posted on his site (free of charge).  I don't mean that to be critical or rude, but that should be the best foot forward, and some of that text was undermining the intent. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nobloodyname on August 29, 2023, 10:27:24 AM
I gave up listening to him talk a few years ago. No way am I going to attempt to read his written word :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on August 29, 2023, 11:34:06 AM
To be fair, it's still an unfinished website :lol :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on August 29, 2023, 12:57:11 PM
To be fair, it's still an unfinished website :lol :P
It's true! And he said "...expanding my team, especially and handling my social media". Maybe there will be some improvement in the site sections too.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: goo-goo on August 29, 2023, 01:17:41 PM
I gave up listening to him talk a few years ago. No way am I going to attempt to read his written word :biggrin:

 :lol :lol :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kocak on August 29, 2023, 02:09:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_d0eJ4ay08

Great new performance from MM. Great sounding drums. Every non-DT video makes me think that the DT mixes do not do his drums justice.

Edit: Video reposted by Pearl.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on August 29, 2023, 03:11:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muI3vscK8LI

Great new performance from MM. Great sounding drums. Every non-DT video makes me think that the DT mixes do not do his drums justice.

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on August 30, 2023, 06:45:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muI3vscK8LI

Great new performance from MM. Great sounding drums. Every non-DT video makes me think that the DT mixes do not do his drums justice.

Yea his durms sound great in this video.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on September 06, 2023, 12:01:38 PM
SOLO ALBUM MUSIC WILL BE RELEASED IN THE COMING WEEKS.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on September 06, 2023, 01:40:07 PM
He’s mentioned in a lot of posts, including his FB post today, about how he’s unhappy with the drum sounds on his albums. I’m curious if this has been brought up with JP or if he’s just venting his frustration on social media or interviews.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Dream Team on September 07, 2023, 06:53:32 AM
It blows my mind that a group of people in the recording field can't agree on what a good drum sound is before releasing the product.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on September 07, 2023, 10:11:11 AM
It blows my mind that a group of people in the recording field can't agree on what a good drum sound is before releasing the product.

Capturing a good drum sound seems to have been a universal problem with popular music forever.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on September 07, 2023, 10:50:42 AM
it's not the capturing that's the issue, it's production
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on September 07, 2023, 11:20:21 AM
The thing with the DT drum sound is that MP was in charge of the production for so long that he made sure his drums were up in front of the mix and had a very specific sound (same thing applies with guitars and JP), sometimes sacrficing other stuff because of it (keys and bass, mostly). When he left and John P became the main man when it comes to production and sound choices, the drummer perspective was no longer in the equation. Add this to the fact that MM joined a 25 year old already stablished band, so for a while he was just the new guy who had to go along with the previously existing band dynamics.

The drum sound on ADTOE wasn't bad at all, just mixed a bit too low (specially for some of the cymbals), but that would've been "fine" if we weren't coming from the MP-produced era. Then the self-titled came along and they decided they wanted to experiment even more... with the drums! Again, Mike, the new guy, had to stick with it; and even Rich Chycki had to do what the producer asked him to.

The Astonishing was even weirder in the sense that it was built entirely by John and Jordan and the other guys only had to come and record stuff and that's it, no involvement with the other aspects at all. Now, with DOT, A View and whatever comes next there's been a lot more involvement from MM and it definitely shows when it comes to his drum sound. Is it always to his liking? Not really, but that's the producer's choice/fault really. I don't think anything else will dastically change unless they put someone else in charge of the production.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on September 07, 2023, 12:16:55 PM
it's not the capturing that's the issue, it's production

Whatever. GETTING a good drum sound on record.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Adami on September 07, 2023, 01:10:52 PM
it's not the capturing that's the issue, it's production

Capturing a good drum sound is a lot of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on September 08, 2023, 06:19:00 AM
Look, I don't profess to be any genius at sound recording, but I hear something different.  I don't think the SOUND is all that different (there are some differences) but for me, it's the way the mix is, the way the instruments layer together.  The drums since ADTOE just seem so... intrusive to me.  It's like they sit on top of - or beside - the rest of the mix, whereas it sounds to me like there was a more integrated whole in past mixes.   I'm using the word "mix" because I don't have a better one; I'm not suggesting that we're one "remix" away from solving this problem.

I like drums, I notice drums.   Phil Collins was I think no. 2 on my drummer's list. (I mention Phil to avoid any more direct MP/MM comparisons).  He was certainly a "loud" drummer, and he was up front in the mix for sure, on many of those records that have his best playing.  But there was always a synergy with Tony and Mike.  I don't sense that in current DT.  I find myself noticing the drums in the wrong way.  "Why are those beats there?"

Could be a "me" problem.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 20, 2023, 12:36:25 PM
I have an interview with Mangini scheduled for this Friday! Feel free to send me your questions, and I'll try to fit them in.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on September 21, 2023, 05:35:39 AM
did JP listen to his drumsound on his new album, and shit his pants?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on September 21, 2023, 07:20:46 AM
If his solo album has the drum sound he’s been chasing, what are the chances he’ll recreate that on the next DT album?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on September 21, 2023, 07:40:26 AM
I have an interview with Mangini scheduled for this Friday! Feel free to send me your questions, and I'll try to fit them in.

DT are expected to enter the studio later this year to start working on DT16. Will he bring the bigger kit back like on his solo album or is he going to stick with the simplified one we saw for the latest tour?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on September 21, 2023, 12:00:06 PM
Hi, Rodrigo, congratulations for the upcoming interview!
My questions:
1) Since MM already manifested his disliking about the drum sound on ADTOE and on self-titled (I know it's not the more polite way to introduce the matter - make it work! :D ;)), there are some possibility for him to re-record those drums and include them in a remix in some kind of anniversary edition for those albums?
2) What (and when) will be the next live release of the present encarnation of DT on LNF archives?
3) What drummers of the new generation that he recommends to listen to?
4) He expects to tour for his album solo?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 21, 2023, 02:54:16 PM
Thank you guys for the questions! I'm sure I'll be able to fit in many of them.

Not sure if I'll be able to discuss the album in too much detail- they've been keeping it pretty secretive for the last few weeks, and Mike might not be willing to talk about the lineup. But I hope he's open for it. I listened to the album, and it sounds modern, slick, and NOTHING like DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on September 21, 2023, 03:09:39 PM
http://www.manginiband.com/
There are already some details about the album in the "Album Credits & Info" section.

Had found this before, but it was still under construction. It's an interesting lineup for sure. Can't wait for the first single!

Hi Rodrigo! The line-up is here. Although it seems this site is under construction, it also seems that it's no secret.

Edit: http://www.manginiband.com/album-musicians/
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: bosk1 on September 21, 2023, 04:04:29 PM
Some more questions for your consideration:

-Now that he has been in DT for almost 13 years (I don't know if we actually know the "official" date he joined--maybe ask him that, if he remembers?), what are some of the most difficult challenges in playing the music or being part of the band that maybe he didn't expect when he joined?
-What DT songs has he especially enjoyed playing live?  Any that he hasn't?
-What stories from the road can he share that fans might not know?
-Is it ever hard to come off of stage late at night after a long day and a full set, and have to "turn it on" and put on a smile when doing after-show meetups?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Chino on September 22, 2023, 07:01:16 AM
What is his favorite venue to perform in? Why?

Thanks!! 

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on September 22, 2023, 09:28:11 AM
When he got the call that he got the job, what did he do right there and then? Did he run out to the living room and tell his wife? How did they celebrate?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on September 22, 2023, 09:35:34 AM
Does he miss teaching?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Adami on September 22, 2023, 09:49:54 AM
What’s his approach to drum tuning?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 22, 2023, 10:25:23 AM
I'd like to know more about his time drumming on the Mullmuzzler/JLB solo albums. Was he given free rein? Did he ever get to sit down with James or Matt during the recording or was it all done individually/long distance? What does he think of Peter Wildoer on the most recent ones?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 22, 2023, 10:41:19 AM
Does he know where to get sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: goo-goo on September 22, 2023, 10:55:05 AM
I'd like to know more about his time drumming on the Mullmuzzler/JLB solo albums. Was he given free rein? Did he ever get to sit down with James or Matt during the recording or was it all done individually/long distance? What does he think of Peter Wildoer on the most recent ones?

Would like to know more about this!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: evilasiojr on September 24, 2023, 06:51:58 AM
Just gave a read through the website section "The Story of" and it felt like a lot 😅

I normally enjoy reading these things you know, but it seems to me Mike has developed this album based on lots of feelings towards DT, like frustrations from being excluded from TA writing and overall mixing sessions. Not trying to create drama here, but it does seem like this solo album is a type of answer to some of that.

With that said, can't wait to listen to the music!!! The line up looks interesting.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on September 25, 2023, 06:57:12 AM
Freak of Nature on October 6th  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 25, 2023, 06:58:16 PM
Just gave a read through the website section "The Story of" and it felt like a lot 😅

I normally enjoy reading these things you know, but it seems to me Mike has developed this album based on lots of feelings towards DT, like frustrations from being excluded from TA writing and overall mixing sessions. Not trying to create drama here, but it does seem like this solo album is a type of answer to some of that.

With that said, can't wait to listen to the music!!! The line up looks interesting.

From what I read in the text, there's no clear mention that Mike created his solo album in response to any frustrations or feelings he might have had during his time in Dream Theater. The text mostly talks about how he made the album, his use of technology, collaborations, and his musical journey.

Of course, it's possible that his personal experiences and emotions played a part in shaping the album, like maybe he wanted more creative freedom or a different musical direction. But the text itself doesn't give us concrete proof of this. So, saying that the solo album is directly tied to his experiences in Dream Theater would be more of a guess rather than something the text outright tells us.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 08:11:10 AM
(https://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/unklejman/mikemanginfinity.gif)

:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on September 26, 2023, 11:21:27 AM
Amazing GIF/meme!! How I never saw that (here) before?! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on September 26, 2023, 06:02:18 PM
Just a few seconds, but really cool!
https://www.facebook.com/reel/7174400829237417?mibextid=HFTRFg
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kocak on September 28, 2023, 08:03:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GVVv42Ry4

Another great MM performance and sound.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on September 29, 2023, 10:58:03 AM
october 6th first single release!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Chino on September 29, 2023, 12:32:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GVVv42Ry4

Another great MM performance and sound.

That was awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Adami on September 29, 2023, 12:42:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GVVv42Ry4

Another great MM performance and sound.

Nice! MM has rarely at all connected with me with his playing, but this was damn good. A little on top of the beat, but that's just him. And yea, great sound.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 29, 2023, 06:19:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GVVv42Ry4

Another great MM performance and sound.

Nice! MM has rarely at all connected with me with his playing, but this was damn good. A little on top of the beat, but that's just him. And yea, great sound.

That is the best drum sound I've ever heard come from MM. The song was great too.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 02, 2023, 10:46:04 AM
So badass to see him playing with Cory Wong.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 03, 2023, 10:54:08 AM
Finally, here's the interview!

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-mike-mangini/

Please leave your comments everyone...it means a lot.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on October 03, 2023, 01:24:04 PM
Awesome interview Rodrigo, great stuff once again
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 03, 2023, 01:38:30 PM
Awesome interview Rodrigo, great stuff once again

Thank you! I'm hopiMije shares it as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on October 03, 2023, 02:17:37 PM
Finally, here's the interview!

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-mike-mangini/

Please leave your comments everyone...it means a lot.

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 03, 2023, 04:27:49 PM
1 hour interview and very nice!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 03, 2023, 05:27:24 PM
Awesome interview Rodrigo! Thank you.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 03, 2023, 05:36:30 PM
Does anyone else kinda get the Jason Newsted vibe from Mangini in his interviews? Like real positive about the band, but also kinda like “I’ve been in the band for a decade and I’m not asked to contribute much”. Or every chance to mention how “I just do what I’m told”.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 03, 2023, 05:46:18 PM
Does anyone else kinda get the Jason Newsted vibe from Mangini in his interviews? Like real positive about the band, but also kinda like “I’ve been in the band for a decade and I’m not asked to contribute much”. Or every chance to mention how “I just do what I’m told”.

I felt the same.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 03, 2023, 05:48:41 PM
Rodrigo, how do you think the DT fans will react to his album?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 03, 2023, 06:02:15 PM
Does anyone else kinda get the Jason Newsted vibe from Mangini in his interviews? Like real positive about the band, but also kinda like “I’ve been in the band for a decade and I’m not asked to contribute much”. Or every chance to mention how “I just do what I’m told”.

I felt the same.

After all these years, I also find a bit strange setences like (paraphrasing) "they didn't asked me to contribute to (with lyrics)". It seems like he's still too much cautious about what he might do or sugest to the band about DT's music.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 03, 2023, 06:34:52 PM
Rodrigo, how do you think the DT fans will react to his album?

 I think it's different from DT, although there are some Petrucci-esque leads from Gus G here and there. I was sincere in the interview when I said that as soon as the first song started I felt like "oh...its that type of music". It's not my thing...but when I stopped and listened, I liked it a lot. So I thnk if you're open enough to listen to a few songs without preconceptions, you might enjoy it.

 One more thing...call me sexist, but for some reason I don't really like female-fronted metal bands in general. However, Jen Majura does an INCREDIBLE job on this album, and I really like her style.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 03, 2023, 06:40:17 PM
Does anyone else kinda get the Jason Newsted vibe from Mangini in his interviews? Like real positive about the band, but also kinda like “I’ve been in the band for a decade and I’m not asked to contribute much”. Or every chance to mention how “I just do what I’m told”.

I felt the same.

After all these years, I also find a bit strange setences like (paraphrasing) "they didn't asked me to contribute to (with lyrics)". It seems like he's still too much cautious about what he might do or sugest to the band about DT's music.


It appeared to me as if he perceives himself as more of an employee rather than an integral part of (welcome to) the family.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 03, 2023, 06:42:23 PM
Awesome interview Rodrigo! Thank you.

 Thank you!!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 03, 2023, 06:44:10 PM
1 hour interview and very nice!

 Thanks! And I nervously ended it after I ran out of questions...he would have easily stayed on for another 30 minutes.

 I had a few more DT related questions, but felt like he really wanted to focus on the solo album, so I left them behind. Next time!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on October 05, 2023, 02:41:23 AM
It appeared to me as if he perceives himself as more of an employee rather than an integral part of (welcome to) the family.

Well to be honest this is what seems to be the case in a sense. JP is running the show pretty much as a producer, and i suppose that coming from the "control freak" nature of MP, maybe the band deliberately wanted a drummer who would be easy-going and will bring minimal disruptions in the band.

Also, MM seems like a very easygoing person, and probably doesn't want to shake things up or cause any conflict in terms of his involvement in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kocak on October 05, 2023, 03:46:20 PM
New single Freak of Nature out where I am.

I am loving it. Very different vibe.  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 05, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
Heard the single and damn...It's  :metal :metal :metal

This is gonna be a fun album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 06, 2023, 03:12:44 AM
It’s alright.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on October 06, 2023, 07:49:03 AM
there's an annoying high pitch sound throughout the song, i find it really distracting. for the rest, solid track i guess but boring and not a style i enjoy.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Schurftkut on October 06, 2023, 07:59:14 AM
after listening on headphones, it's probably hiss from the hi-hats and some top end of the vocalchain used.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2023, 08:11:36 AM
Not really a song for me. Found a lot of the melodies to be a bit awkward and the music didn't do much for me.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Infinite Cactus on October 06, 2023, 08:11:59 AM
Uh...it kind of reminds me of......Adrenaline Mob.



lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2023, 08:21:30 AM
Uh...it kind of reminds me of......Adrenaline Mob.



lol

That's mutherfuckin' psychosane. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Infinite Cactus on October 06, 2023, 08:24:22 AM
Still to this day, friends and I will randomly bust out into the spoken part of that song. Though I probably haven't actually listened to it more than 3 times my whole life when it came out.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on October 06, 2023, 09:03:15 AM
Not really a song for me. Found a lot of the melodies to be a bit awkward and the music didn't do much for me.

Kind of agree, the melodies are a bit awkward indeed.
The solo section is classic Mangini, following the instruments with his drums, always fun to listen to.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 06, 2023, 09:05:02 AM
A more commercial and electronic AMob? As a fan of AMob's first two albums, I'm okay with that. Cool song and I really like Jen's voice on it. Great drum and bass sounds! Really creative drumming below the guitar solo.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 06, 2023, 10:09:46 AM
He kept going on and on about the drum sounds. After a couple of listens, I don’t get it. There’s nothing about the drum sound that is better than his sound in DT. Maybe they’re louder in the mix is the biggest difference.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on October 06, 2023, 11:43:36 AM
I'm not getting any Amob from that.  It's good; it's competent and well-played, but I'm not sure I'm revisiting it any time soon.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on October 06, 2023, 12:16:01 PM
He kept going on and on about the drum sounds. After a couple of listens, I don’t get it. There’s nothing about the drum sound that is better than his sound in DT. Maybe they’re louder in the mix is the biggest difference.

If I'm not mistaken, Jimmy T engineered/mixed this as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2023, 12:51:26 PM
I'm not getting any Amob from that.  It's good; it's competent and well-played, but I'm not sure I'm revisiting it any time soon.

Yea I wasn't picking up any Amob stuff either.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Infinite Cactus on October 06, 2023, 01:14:38 PM
I think what reminds me of Amob is it sounds like that generic kind of "buttrock" from the early 2000s but like after it was popular. They both have a few neat parts and twists, but also silly cliche lyrics. Like good for Mike, I hope he's proud of it. Genuinely. But I did laugh at "torrid air always rises."


 Because farts.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 06, 2023, 04:37:47 PM
I think what reminds me of Amob is it sounds like that generic kind of "buttrock" from the early 2000s but like after it was popular. They both have a few neat parts and twists, but also silly cliche lyrics. Like good for Mike, I hope he's proud of it. Genuinely. But I did laugh at "torrid air always rises."


 Because farts.

.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kyo on October 07, 2023, 06:20:52 AM
I really like what MM brings to DT, so it saddens me to say that this song does absolutely nothing for me. And nothing he says in the interview gives me hope that the rest of the album will be any better.

It's ironic, but going by his comments regarding his songsriting approach - the "don't play anything too fancy except underneath the solo section" -, it sounds like he'd be a good fit for Sons of Apollo, who have used a similar approach to constructing their songs. I very much dislike it in both cases.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 07, 2023, 12:56:53 PM
I guess I can see the Adrenaline Mob comparison. But to me, this album is kind of fascinating in the Mangini basically wrote 95% of it. I'm excited to hear the rest even though the first sing isn't really doing much for me. I also listened to it on youtube through my car in the middle of a dense forest up north while driving back from vacation. I was thinking about holding out until the damn thing was released but I'm unclear on when that will be or even if Mangini is planning on a physical release. Kind of an odd way to go about releasing it but I guess it goes with the theme of doing 95% of it himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 08, 2023, 11:48:11 AM
I’ve listened to it about 10 times so far. I guess I’m looking to see if I’m just missing something. It is really just a straight groove oriented rock tune, which is exactly how Mike described it. The lyrics are meh. But no biggie.

Also this track reinforces my previous feeling that I prefer Mangini outside of DT. I literally love everything I’ve heard from him, from Extreme to Vai to Mullmuzzler and James LaBrie. I’ve heard him in guest spots and tribute albums as well. I always thought he was on the money. But his work in DT...weeelllllll
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 09, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
Didn't care for this song.  Like, at all.

Hopefully the rest of the album is more to my taste.  But if not, oh well.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on October 09, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
I’ve listened to it about 10 times so far. I guess I’m looking to see if I’m just missing something. It is really just a straight groove oriented rock tune, which is exactly how Mike described it. The lyrics are meh. But no biggie.

Also this track reinforces my previous feeling that I prefer Mangini outside of DT. I literally love everything I’ve heard from him, from Extreme to Vai to Mullmuzzler and James LaBrie. I’ve heard him in guest spots and tribute albums as well. I always thought he was on the money. But his work in DT...weeelllllll

Haha, I read that fast and it sounded like "The lyrics are meth. But no boogie."   

Haha, carry on.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 09, 2023, 02:24:07 PM
I’ve listened to it about 10 times so far. I guess I’m looking to see if I’m just missing something. It is really just a straight groove oriented rock tune, which is exactly how Mike described it. The lyrics are meh. But no biggie.

Also this track reinforces my previous feeling that I prefer Mangini outside of DT. I literally love everything I’ve heard from him, from Extreme to Vai to Mullmuzzler and James LaBrie. I’ve heard him in guest spots and tribute albums as well. I always thought he was on the money. But his work in DT...weeelllllll

Haha, I read that fast and it sounded like "The lyrics are meth. But no boogie."   

Haha, carry on.  :)

:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Fritzinger on October 10, 2023, 03:01:00 AM
I really like what MM brings to DT, so it saddens me to say that this song does absolutely nothing for me. And nothing he says in the interview gives me hope that the rest of the album will be any better.

It's ironic, but going by his comments regarding his songsriting approach - the "don't play anything too fancy except underneath the solo section" -, it sounds like he'd be a good fit for Sons of Apollo, who have used a similar approach to constructing their songs. I very much dislike it in both cases.

Imagine Mike Mangini replacing Mike Portnoy in Sons Of Apollo for some reason  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 10, 2023, 03:33:40 AM
I really like what MM brings to DT, so it saddens me to say that this song does absolutely nothing for me. And nothing he says in the interview gives me hope that the rest of the album will be any better.

It's ironic, but going by his comments regarding his songsriting approach - the "don't play anything too fancy except underneath the solo section" -, it sounds like he'd be a good fit for Sons of Apollo, who have used a similar approach to constructing their songs. I very much dislike it in both cases.

Imagine Mike Mangini replacing Mike Portnoy in Sons Of Apollo for some reason  :lol

The stuff nightmares are made of.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 10, 2023, 01:08:17 PM
Well if anyone is still interested in MM album... :D (I do, very much)
From his Facebook:
"...Next single is out in less than 2 weeks and full album in November."
So, I believe the next single is on 10/20.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 10, 2023, 01:11:26 PM
By the way, Freak of Nature in fact reminds me something in a modern rock vein like Halestorm's Vicious, that is a band (and album) that I really love.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Fonzie on October 11, 2023, 01:10:11 PM
Apropos of nothing else, I’m watching the 4th Wall blu-Ray for the first time in a while…

‘The Shattered Fortress’ is absolutely mental on all fronts. All the instrumentalists shine but Mangini really fucking delivers. Anyone doubting the passion in this guy needs to watch this again!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 11, 2023, 08:04:49 PM
Apropos of nothing else, I’m watching the 4th Wall blu-Ray for the first time in a while…

‘The Shattered Fortress’ is absolutely mental on all fronts. All the instrumentalists shine but Mangini really fucking delivers. Anyone doubting the passion in this guy needs to watch this again!

 His finest hour with DT so far is that DVD. Shattered Fortress, Illumination Theory etc...he simply SLAYS.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on October 12, 2023, 04:24:34 AM
Listened yesterday to both Into The Great Divide albums, that's how MM was supposed to sound in DT... I think it's his best sound ever, specially in the second album! Great production by Richard Chycki as well
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on October 12, 2023, 04:44:53 AM
The irony is that he only plays on the first ITGD album (and Rich Chycki only mixed that one), the second one was entirely programmed by Zack Zalon. But yes, both are great, although I much prefer the first one.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on October 12, 2023, 07:13:40 AM
The irony is that he only plays on the first ITGD album (and Rich Chycki only mixed that one), the second one was entirely programmed by Zack Zalon. But yes, both are great, although I much prefer the first one.

Yeah, MM is only on the first one. IIRC, Zack wanted him for the second too, but Mike was in the studio with DT at the time.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on October 12, 2023, 10:26:56 AM
The irony is that he only plays on the first ITGD album (and Rich Chycki only mixed that one), the second one was entirely programmed by Zack Zalon. But yes, both are great, although I much prefer the first one.

The more you know...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on October 17, 2023, 08:48:41 PM
New single "Not Drowning" coming this friday :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Kyo on October 20, 2023, 11:39:30 AM
New single "Not Drowning" coming this friday :tup

I remain unconvinced by this music. And is he doubling guitar solo phrases on the drums in every song? Man, that will get old really fast if that is the case.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 20, 2023, 02:52:53 PM
New single "Not Drowning" coming this friday :tup

I remain unconvinced by this music. And is he doubling guitar solo phrases on the drums in every song? Man, that will get old really fast if that is the case.

In interviews that’s basically what he said. Grooves in the verses and chorus and following the solos in the solo section.

Yeah, it’s a formula that gets old fast.

And for this song…it’s not great. The lyrics and vocal melody are kinda amateur. Sorry, that’s the only way I know how to describe it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 20, 2023, 05:28:55 PM
New single "Not Drowning" coming this friday :tup

I remain unconvinced by this music. And is he doubling guitar solo phrases on the drums in every song? Man, that will get old really fast if that is the case.

In interviews that’s basically what he said. Grooves in the verses and chorus and following the solos in the solo section.

Yeah, it’s a formula that gets old fast.

And for this song…it’s not great. The lyrics and vocal melody are kinda amateur. Sorry, that’s the only way I know how to describe it.

It's like Room 137 got turned up...It's fantastic stuff....I have no idea what you, or anyone else, is expecting from this project.

Also...From the YouTube video...

"While listening to the chorus part of this song sometime in 2018, I heard word sounds in my mind and the word “drowning” fit it pretty well. I didn’t want to write about it literally though. I used a thesaurus and the internet to find related words and topics because my lyrics are never about personal events or stories.

Searching terms related to "drowning" eventually led me to the word “confusion.” That made me think of the confusion surrounding the findings of Quantum Mechanics. I found instances of physicists and mathematicians saying that the test results seemed strange and “wrong," and that they could not reconcile it with their view of reality.  Some said there are things about it we cannot know, or maybe are not supposed to know.  It seemed to me that spending too much time immersing oneself in it can make a person crazy. Einstein died confounded by it spending countless hours trying to recocile it with the reality he knew. The myriad of unfounded conjectures outside the physics community conjured up a comedy skit in my mind. The lines “Not Drowning” and “I will breathe” each relate to the hope of clearing away what is blurring the reality of something in all kinds of situations.

For a song lyric, I suspected that singing about physics wouldn’t be as fun as the idea of jumping in a saltwater pool. I needed a descriptive location for it. “Backyard” didn’t work, so I used the word “nation” because everyone lives in one. That word led me to “radiation,” as that’s what heats up a pool and has a cool sound to it when sung. Mainly, words come to me as sounds, then I search around and form something cohesive, but try not to sacrifice how the words sound.

I thought this might be interesting to know about. At the end of the day, however, it’s just a song for rocking out!

And then there's the simultaneous 7/8 in Common Time and a wild solo section for the Musos!"
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 20, 2023, 06:14:23 PM
I don’t like Room 137. So I guess that’s why.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on October 20, 2023, 06:46:26 PM
I don’t like Room 137. So I guess that’s why.

Room 137 needs to thank Out Of Reach not it not being the worst song on the album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 21, 2023, 04:49:03 AM
I don’t like Room 137. So I guess that’s why.

Room 137 needs to thank Out Of Reach not it not being the worst song on the album.

Ha. For me that coveted last place spot goes to Viper King.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 21, 2023, 07:55:06 AM
https://linktr.ee/mikemanginiofficial?fbclid=IwAR0AG5gV3D_S9HY0xV2tYf9FSfBpi33oIfyQjpNa1VX_2Fwq4GPJbvweWI8
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: jadiggerdt on October 22, 2023, 07:24:47 AM
Wen you hear Portnoy you hear a signature. when you hear mangini you hear 100 same drummers. So far a dull album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 22, 2023, 08:08:18 AM
Wen you hear Portnoy you hear a signature. when you hear mangini you hear 100 same drummers. So far a dull album.

I partially agree with this. I think Mangini’s orchestral style of doing drum runs that follow the melody is sort of his signature sound. Like Bozzio pushed farther. But is that something that is noticeable, especially to non-drummers and non-musicians, as Portnoy? Probably not. Portnoy has a signature sound to his drums, not just the way he plays. Mangini’s drums sound different on everything he plays on.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on October 22, 2023, 02:00:36 PM
MM's signature thing besides the orchestration like that is the fully lefty and fully righty playing with a mirror image kit. That and crazy polyrhythms.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 22, 2023, 02:27:29 PM
MM's signature thing besides the orchestration like that is the fully lefty and fully righty playing with a mirror image kit. That and crazy polyrhythms.

Yeah, I was mainly thinking of a style that you can hear. I don’t think you can listen and go “oh that’s all lefty”.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2023, 08:03:41 AM
MM's signature thing besides the orchestration like that is the fully lefty and fully righty playing with a mirror image kit. That and crazy polyrhythms.

And that's largely why it's lost on me.  Couldn't care less if he plays with his left hand, right hand, or his third hand.  Music for me is almost entirely visceral, even when I DO know what's going on behind the scenes.   There's NO DOUBT that what he does physically is impressive, but TO ME - and everyone can make their own determination, and there is no right answer - that doesn't translate, almost at all, into any visceral musical response.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 23, 2023, 08:40:44 AM
Yeah. Neither of these tunes has done anything positive for me. All a bit AI-sounding.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 23, 2023, 09:07:44 AM
I don't even know how to react to this, since I'm one who loves the sound of MM's drum playing without rationalizing any of his technique. I really love his work on DT, specially in the last 2 albums, truly incredible. And I also admire that he's still studying and pushing his playing forward. I guess if people don't feel it, nothing can be done. In fact, although I agree there's nothing groundbreaking in these songs, I'll buy and hear the album because of the drum work alone (and I do that for a few other drummers outside DT too).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 23, 2023, 09:19:09 AM
MM's signature thing besides the orchestration like that is the fully lefty and fully righty playing with a mirror image kit. That and crazy polyrhythms.

And that's largely why it's lost on me.  Couldn't care less if he plays with his left hand, right hand, or his third hand.  Music for me is almost entirely visceral, even when I DO know what's going on behind the scenes.   There's NO DOUBT that what he does physically is impressive, but TO ME - and everyone can make their own determination, and there is no right answer - that doesn't translate, almost at all, into any visceral musical response.
For me, that technical piece is worthy of admiration in the same way that I admire any craftsmanship going into any product or piece of art.  But it loses some importance if the end product isn't aesthetically pleasing, or useful, as the case may be.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2023, 10:35:40 AM
I don't even know how to react to this, since I'm one who loves the sound of MM's drum playing without rationalizing any of his technique. I really love his work on DT, specially in the last 2 albums, truly incredible. And I also admire that he's still studying and pushing his playing forward. I guess if people don't feel it, nothing can be done. In fact, although I agree there's nothing groundbreaking in these songs, I'll buy and hear the album because of the drum work alone (and I do that for a few other drummers outside DT too).

That's awesome, though, man. There's nothing to react to; do you enjoy his music?  If yes, then stop posting and go listen to it!  I joke, of course, but there are plenty of acts that I can't really explain but I just like listening to them.  No need to analyze it, and I really couldn't care less if anyone else shares my interest.  I'm not really thinking about those people when I'm listening!!  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 23, 2023, 10:49:33 AM
I don't even know how to react to this, since I'm one who loves the sound of MM's drum playing without rationalizing any of his technique. I really love his work on DT, specially in the last 2 albums, truly incredible. And I also admire that he's still studying and pushing his playing forward. I guess if people don't feel it, nothing can be done. In fact, although I agree there's nothing groundbreaking in these songs, I'll buy and hear the album because of the drum work alone (and I do that for a few other drummers outside DT too).

And that's brilliant! Plenty of people who share your opinion, nothing wrong with that at all.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Trav86 on October 23, 2023, 02:41:21 PM
MM's signature thing besides the orchestration like that is the fully lefty and fully righty playing with a mirror image kit. That and crazy polyrhythms.

And that's largely why it's lost on me.  Couldn't care less if he plays with his left hand, right hand, or his third hand.  Music for me is almost entirely visceral, even when I DO know what's going on behind the scenes.   There's NO DOUBT that what he does physically is impressive, but TO ME - and everyone can make their own determination, and there is no right answer - that doesn't translate, almost at all, into any visceral musical response.
For me, that technical piece is worthy of admiration in the same way that I admire any craftsmanship going into any product or piece of art.  But it loses some importance if the end product isn't aesthetically pleasing, or useful, as the case may be.

Same. And I’m a drummer, and I’ve never been into any music just because of the drums.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 23, 2023, 10:20:02 PM
Just retifying a bit what I said, about the albums that I have "for the drums alone", it's more like albums that the drums and the focus on rhythms really elevate a lot the songs that otherwise wouldn't pick my interest that much. That's more accurate with what I wanted to say. As an excellent example of it, I would mention Thomas Lang - Progpop.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: evilasiojr on October 25, 2023, 08:46:36 AM
Yeah, for me it feels like MM already knew he was leaving through all the process of writing the text in his web page and promoting his album, like in Rodrigo's interview...

Good luck for the Man(gini) in his projects ahead! Great drummer and seems like a great guy.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 08:57:50 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 25, 2023, 09:06:02 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.

I had the same feeling,  :'(
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 09:22:59 AM
I guess it's safe to say that Mangini leaves DT with his reputation intact, and with respect from everyone.

Who can ever blame him for just about anything? yeah, some prefer MP's drumming style, some others don't like this or that drum part and that's fine, but what has Mike Mangini ever done in his tenure with DT that affected the band in a negative way? nothing.

He came, had nothing but exctatic words for his tenure in the band and the chance to play with them, and was a loyal band member until he was let go. I can hardly fault him for anything, he has been a true gentleman in all these 13 years.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: evilasiojr on October 25, 2023, 09:31:20 AM
I feel he was the perfect guy for the job and did it the best way anyone actually could!

The band must have been in a hard place when he stepped in and they managed to maintain the same line up for 13 years, do A LOT of great stuff, great music, and seemed to have a nice time overall...

The only two bad things for me are:
1. DT most controversial album had him on drums, TA, which is a shame because...
2. ...he wasn't involved in all of the albums creatively, which I think was a waste.

Outside from that, it was a terrific run with one of the most demanding bands and fanbase in the scene.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nikatapi on October 25, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
Safe to say that whatever negative can be said about MM's tenure in the band, could be related to JP's production decisions.

He is a great guy, offered a lot to the band, given the freedom he was given, and has some remarkable drum parts to leave as a legacy to the band.

Also, he is the one who gave the seed to the only (so-far) grammy awarded song of the band, with a characteristic MM groove. He should be very proud.

I have very bittersweet emotions about this change, but Mike has been consistently great throughout his years in the band, and i really hope he gets to enjoy the fame he got from DT in his next steps.

An incredible drummer, and amazing person. Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: romdrums on October 25, 2023, 09:36:44 AM
Mangini has never been the problem since he's been in the band. All of the "controversial" decisions made during his tenure were made by other people. He did what he was asked to do with grace, humility and a fuck ton of talent.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2023, 10:01:59 AM
I'm going to miss him for sure, I'm glad that MP is back, he's got a different vibe to him. I got to see DT live with MM 3 times, all very fun times. I wonder if they'll do any festivals in the summer next year even if the album isn't released.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: EPIC Outro on October 25, 2023, 10:37:13 AM

I really wish DT would do a one-off farewell show for Mangini, covering just material from his era with the band. Would be a fantastic live album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: devieira73 on October 25, 2023, 10:37:45 AM
I subscribe to all the positive words about Mangini above. An incredible drummer and a true classy person, a super gentleman. Looking forward to his next projects.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2023, 10:38:58 AM
I wonder if they'll do any festivals in the summer next year even if the album isn't released.

They'll be out next summer for sure.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Knguros on October 25, 2023, 10:47:21 AM
“Thank you for trusting me the second half of your careers in life…”

I feel for this guy. He’s an amazing professional and human.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 25, 2023, 10:47:39 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.

I had the same feeling,  :'(

Just searched it out to watch and two things came to mind: 1) it is indeed a really lovely interview, and 2) he knew. He absolutely knew.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: Progmetty on October 25, 2023, 10:49:52 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.


Pass a link to an out-of-loop fool?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 25, 2023, 10:51:16 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.


Pass a link to an out-of-loop fool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjX0VKo0NM

Last 10 minutes or so. But it's worth popping on the whole thing. Rodrigo did a lovely job.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2023, 11:00:23 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.

I had the same feeling,  :'(

Just searched it out to watch and two things came to mind: 1) it is indeed a really lovely interview, and 2) he knew. He absolutely knew.

Is it this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjX0VKo0NM&ab_channel=SonicPerspectives

Care to share the time stamp?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 25, 2023, 11:02:30 AM
Yup, that's the one.

It's the last ten minutes or so.

Edit: 48m 40s, there ya go.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2023, 11:09:50 AM
Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on October 25, 2023, 11:10:44 AM
Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.

Boom. Nailed it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Progmetty on October 25, 2023, 11:10:55 AM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.


Pass a link to an out-of-loop fool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjX0VKo0NM

Last 10 minutes or so. But it's worth popping on the whole thing. Rodrigo did a lovely job.

Thanks!
Oh yeah, I don't think leaving the band was his idea or intention.


Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.

He always looks like that though  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Lonk on October 25, 2023, 11:13:44 AM
Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.
Yeah, seems like it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 11:15:17 AM
I just find it a bit unfair that one guy leaves, another guy replaces him, immediately gets lots of heat online for not being guy no.1, he still does the job flawlessly, though he's not allowed to fully contribute on the way he'd like too; and then, when things start opening and getting better for guy no. 2, he just gets the boot... for not being guy no. 1.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.

That was my thought too, I don't know if it looks that way now because we know.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nikatapi on October 25, 2023, 11:17:43 AM
I just find it a bit unfair that one guy leaves, another guy replaces him, immediately gets lots of heat online for not being guy no.1, he still does the job flawlessly, though he's not allowed to fully contribute on the way he'd like too; and then, when things start opening and getting better for guy no. 2, he just gets the boot... for not being guy no. 1.

I agree with this. Mike was such a class act all the way, a team player and always worked to his best ability within the constraints set by the rest of the band (or should I say JP).

I'm kind of sad with these news, but I hope it works out for the best for MM
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RandalGraves on October 25, 2023, 11:24:20 AM
Replacing a beloved member of a band is such a hard thing to do and Mangini did it with class. He always seemed like a really nice and passionate guy. I know there was always talk about his drum sound or creative input, but I would've been more than content with Mangini riding out the rest of DT's years.

If anything, I hope he finds even more fulfillment in whatever endeavors he pursues next. Dude deserves it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 11:58:11 AM
I just find it a bit unfair that one guy leaves, another guy replaces him, immediately gets lots of heat online for not being guy no.1, he still does the job flawlessly, though he's not allowed to fully contribute on the way he'd like too; and then, when things start opening and getting better for guy no. 2, he just gets the boot... for not being guy no. 1.

I agree with this. Mike was such a class act all the way, a team player and always worked to his best ability within the constraints set by the rest of the band (or should I say JP).

I'm kind of sad with these news, but I hope it works out for the best for MM

I'm not sure that's exactly how it went.

First, we have no idea what went on in terms of notice or discussions.  Honestly, I can't imagine that there weren't some discussions, even if it was between lawyers.  I feel bad in the general sense, but I'm not assuming this is a jilted-lover scenario.

Second, as I said above, ANY time someone is stepping in for a non-dead original member, it's part of the gig to reconcile, internally, that this could end at any time.

Just ask:
- Rick Dufay
- Ronnie Dio
- Joe Lynn Turner
- Tony Martin
- Sammy Hagar
- Blaze Bayley
- Ripper Owens
- Trevor Rabin
- Trevor Horn
- Ray Wilson
- Bruce Kulick
- Eric Singer
- Chris Slade (or was it Simon Wright)
- Brian Who-took-over-for-Paul-Rodgers-in-Bad-Company
- The dude who drummed for Twisted Sister on their last studio album "Love Is For Suckers"
- Todd Rungren
- Neil Murray
- Cozy Powell (Black Sabbath)
- Jon Brant
- Dougie White
- Lawrence Archer
- Cozy Powell (again, ELP this time)
- Whoever filled in for Stevie Nicks when she was off playing with witches
- Whoever filled in for Lindsey Buckingham when he was off writing hate songs to Stevie
- Gilby Clark
- Paul Tobias/Robin Finck/Buckethead/Bumblefoot/DJ Ashba
- Tommy Stinson

.... and that's just up through G in terms of bands. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2023, 11:59:27 AM
You forgot Jimmy Crespo! ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Grappler on October 25, 2023, 12:43:28 PM
While I haven't loved all of the albums that the band has put out in the last 13 years, I have definitely loved him since I saw the audition video and his emotion at being chosen to be in the band.  Poor guy, I feel bad for him having to answer that question while likely knowing that he wasn't the drummer anymore.  But kudos to him for remaining so graceful and an amazing human being. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Trav86 on October 25, 2023, 12:46:10 PM
I just find it a bit unfair that one guy leaves, another guy replaces him, immediately gets lots of heat online for not being guy no.1, he still does the job flawlessly, though he's not allowed to fully contribute on the way he'd like too; and then, when things start opening and getting better for guy no. 2, he just gets the boot... for not being guy no. 1.

First, I think Mangini is awesome, so my statement may seem brutal but I’m just being honest.
The music made with Guy #1 is overwhelming considered the best music the band ever made. And if Guy #2 wasn’t happy that he didn’t get to contribute as much as he would like, fair enough. But the one song Guy #2 wrote lyrics for and seemed really attached to, was not great. And the two songs we’ve heard from Guy #2’s solo album, are not great. So that doesn’t seem like a huge loss.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dream Team on October 25, 2023, 12:54:18 PM
Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.

Wow that sucks. The music industry can be brutal. I really feel bad for him. Such an outstanding gentleman.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Welcome to the Family)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 25, 2023, 01:37:59 PM
When I watched Rodrigo's interview with Mike and he was like "they haven't told me anything about going into the studio" and "I'm eager and ready to go, just waiting" I knew something was up, but I couldn't imagine this happening so soon.


Pass a link to an out-of-loop fool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjX0VKo0NM

Last 10 minutes or so. But it's worth popping on the whole thing. Rodrigo did a lovely job.

Thank you!!! And I didn't mention it here, but it did struck me as odd the way he answered the DT related questions, sometimes quickly pivoting  back to his solo album. This will go down in history as his last interview as a member of DT, and you can definitely tell something is odd in his response to the DT topics.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Schurftkut on October 25, 2023, 02:12:36 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 25, 2023, 02:20:11 PM
Mike Mangini: Humble. World-class drummer. Helped DT through a very difficult time in which they could have straight up collapsed. Went out with a killer album in AVFTTOTW. :metal

Thank you, sir, for a great run. :heart
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 02:26:05 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

He's promoting his soon to be released solo album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2023, 02:27:27 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Schurftkut on October 25, 2023, 02:28:41 PM
yeah, but if you'd search for mike mangini, you'd get thousands of hits talking about the return of MP. great timing??
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on October 25, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
i didn't really listen to his music but i consider myself blessed all the same for having mangini in my life because so many people have horrible abusive stepdads but mangini was nice and did his best to establish a relationship with me. i could never bring myself to call him dad and i feel a little guilty for that but i am grateful to him for being a brother to my uncles for a decade. gracias dude
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 02:32:04 PM
yeah, but if you'd search for mike mangini, you'd get thousands of hits talking about the return of MP. great timing??

Again, what can he do? His solo album has been in the works for years, and it's finally ready to be released. AND, he just got fired, there's not much he can control there.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 02:35:35 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046

Do we know that interviewer? He's not here, is he?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 25, 2023, 02:36:33 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046

Do we know that interviewer? He's not here, is he?

He wasn't really there either.. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 02:38:03 PM
yeah, but if you'd search for mike mangini, you'd get thousands of hits talking about the return of MP. great timing??

Again, what can he do? His solo album has been in the works for years, and it's finally ready to be released. AND, he just got fired, there's not much he can control there.

You do you, can't and won't tell you what to say or how to say it, but I will note for the public record, to call this a "firing" without any more details than we have is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible.  "Firing" has the implication of one-sided and based on some cause, some displeasure.  We - well, let me check that, I - don't know that there was anything of the kind.  For all we know, John was on the phone and said to his wife "man, I enjoyed playing with Portnoy; I can see someday having him back" and Mike overhearing it and saying "WOW, thank you for bringing that up first.  I've been meaning to find a way to tell you...."    Or, maybe, "Hey John, look this is hard, but I want to do a solo record and I want to teach again. I'm not going anywhere until you figure shit out, but if you've got anyone else in mind, I'm game for it."   John: "I know just the guy...."
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2023, 02:38:47 PM
Agreed.  I posted that in the other thread.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2023, 02:40:26 PM
Also, although my focus has been on the other thread this morning, I feel it necessary to say that I thoroughly enjoyed Mike Mangini's time in DT and what he brought to the band, both as a musician and a person.  I enjoyed hearing and seeing him play, enjoyed meeting him a few times, enjoyed how he singled out my son during a sound check and gave him a drum stick, and most of all, appreciated seeing him hit on lonestar's date at an after show. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 02:42:00 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046

Do we know that interviewer? He's not here, is he?

He wasn't really there either.. :lol

Now that you say it, all the awkwardness was from him. He was horrible.  And nice fake backdrop. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 02:58:18 PM
yeah, but if you'd search for mike mangini, you'd get thousands of hits talking about the return of MP. great timing??

Again, what can he do? His solo album has been in the works for years, and it's finally ready to be released. AND, he just got fired, there's not much he can control there.

You do you, can't and won't tell you what to say or how to say it, but I will note for the public record, to call this a "firing" without any more details than we have is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible.  "Firing" has the implication of one-sided and based on some cause, some displeasure.  We - well, let me check that, I - don't know that there was anything of the kind.  For all we know, John was on the phone and said to his wife "man, I enjoyed playing with Portnoy; I can see someday having him back" and Mike overhearing it and saying "WOW, thank you for bringing that up first.  I've been meaning to find a way to tell you...."    Or, maybe, "Hey John, look this is hard, but I want to do a solo record and I want to teach again. I'm not going anywhere until you figure shit out, but if you've got anyone else in mind, I'm game for it."   John: "I know just the guy...."

Who knows, maybe Derek wasn't fired either :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Trav86 on October 25, 2023, 02:59:55 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046

Mangini: what if nobody likes it?
Interviewer: True

For fuck’s sake.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: zappafrank2112 on October 25, 2023, 03:11:31 PM
- Todd Rungren

Who did Todd Rundgren replace, in what band?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 03:14:04 PM
- Todd Rungren

Who did Todd Rundgren replace, in what band?


Well, that one might be a stretch:  he was in The New Cars, so he sort of replaced Rik Ocasek.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: zappafrank2112 on October 25, 2023, 03:19:01 PM
- Todd Rungren

Who did Todd Rundgren replace, in what band?


Well, that one might be a stretch:  he was in The New Cars, so he sort of replaced Rik Ocasek.

Ah OK.  Makes sense.  When I saw him a few years ago, he had the keyboardist from the Cars with him.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on October 25, 2023, 03:28:46 PM
I will say I was never a big fan of Mangini's style, but there is no denying that he handled the DT drum position with tons of talent and the utmost class. He also seems like a wonderful human being. I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: JRuless on October 25, 2023, 03:42:07 PM
A huge thankyou mr. Mangini! For delivering memorable and out of space drumming (moments) with DT. Everytime I play TSF from BTFW I smile from ear to ear rewinding the amazing Jordan solo drumming and the stunning one hand fill at the end.  :eek :hefdaddy.
Moments. Memories. Master. Mike. Mangini.


Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Mladen on October 25, 2023, 04:00:00 PM
Thanks for so much great music and performances, Mike. You were amazing.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Progmetty on October 25, 2023, 04:04:34 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046

Do we know that interviewer? He's not here, is he?

He wasn't really there either.. :lol

You beat me to it  :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on October 25, 2023, 04:08:34 PM
ouch... :sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: James Mypetgiress on October 25, 2023, 04:11:41 PM
Thanks for everything Mike! I had the pleasure of seeing you at 6 shows, and meeting you in 2014! You were gracious and kind to my awestruck "just met my idols" 15 year old self Some of the fondest and greatest musical memories of my life. Looking forward to seeing what comes next for you, and hope to see you behind the kit at a live show again someday.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: devieira73 on October 25, 2023, 04:23:49 PM
that makes this a weird time for MM to do interviews knowing they'll ask about DT.

Maybe he realised that when he almost chocked up on that question, and that that's why there's no new interviews with him yet. Now he can freely talk.

This interview was posted two weeks ago, and.. let's just call the very end..awkward.


https://youtu.be/mNho3MTahtE?si=6ufLqGVRAZYbUvqM&t=2046

Do we know that interviewer? He's not here, is he?

He wasn't really there either.. :lol

You beat me to it  :rollin :rollin :rollin

The police or FBI are chasing the interviewer or something like that?! :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Kocak on October 25, 2023, 04:24:03 PM
https://prnt.sc/sYL4wvUkSAeH

MP's comment on MM's Instagram post.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2023, 04:55:18 PM
Mad props to Mangini.  He was in a tough spot, but always handled it well and never spoke out of turn.  We don't know the exact details of how this change came about, but he is handling it in a very classy way so far.  The band did really good work during his tenure.   :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: brother2 on October 25, 2023, 04:58:54 PM
Never got why MM was singled out for lacking MP's feel and passion or for being machine-like. I mean, this is the same band that kicked out Sherinian to bring in JR -- but that's another discussion.

Man, I'm going to miss him. Tracks like AVFTTOTW, Illumination Theory and Pale Blue Dot are probably the best displays of drumming I've heard in DT. Not to disparage MP, who is an incredibly gifted musician in his own right, but MM's otherworldly.

There's a silver lining in all of this, though. MP's on-stage presence and enthusiasm is second to none, and he's going to help draw huge crowds and provide an amazing live experience. While I don't think he can replicate every single MM track, I'd love to hear his take on songs like Fall into the Light and Breaking All Illusions.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: LCArenas on October 25, 2023, 06:04:46 PM
I do feel conflicted. Mangini has such passion for his craft and he seems like a really humble guy, not to mention his drumming in all these years with DT was incredible. I really, really wish him the best in all his future endeavors.

Portnoy on the other hand has a unique stage presence and his closeness to his fans is simply amazing, even if he has been a little bit more distant in the later years (Can't blame him tho.). He really adds to the Soul of the band. Not to mention he's definitely playing the Twelve-Step Suite+ACOS in tour soon: I don't think he'll let that chance pass. I really really can't wait to hear what he brings to DT after all these years.

I for one will miss MM. Again, I wish him the best and I'm thankful for the killer songs, albums and moments he helped the band build. ADtOE and D/T specially, with a special mention to The Astonishing.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Nel on October 25, 2023, 06:46:01 PM
I'm glad the dude's gotten so many positive comments thrown his way today, at least.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9U4_bVWUAAbcYH?format=png&name=small)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on October 25, 2023, 06:52:21 PM
I won't "miss" MM for one second because of my adoration of MP, but the man is CLASS PERSONIFIED and I hope his future is VERY bright and prosperous! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Drinktheater on October 25, 2023, 07:40:44 PM
Thanks and I will Miss the Genie in DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 25, 2023, 07:41:24 PM
He elevated DT's sound to a level never heard before in the band's history and sadly that time is over and it'll never happen again.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: kaos2900 on October 25, 2023, 07:47:47 PM
Thanks MM!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: mariner on October 25, 2023, 07:56:12 PM
Thanks to Mike Mangini.  What a classy guy and absolutely insanely great drummer.  I am sorry that there isn't a way to have both of you drumming in DT, but...

I am stoked beyond belief to see Mike Portnoy back in DT.  Perhaps we will get Second Score in 2025!  Can't wait to hear new music from them!

Insanely great news!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 25, 2023, 09:23:00 PM
Never got why MM was singled out for lacking MP's feel and passion or for being machine-like. I mean, this is the same band that kicked out Sherinian to bring in JR -- but that's another discussion.

Man, I'm going to miss him. Tracks like AVFTTOTP, Illumination Theory and Pale Blue Dot are probably the best displays of drumming I've heard in DT. Not to disparage MP, who is an incredibly gifted musician in his own right, but MM's otherworldly.

There's a silver lining in all of this, though. MP's on-stage presence and enthusiasm is second to none, and he's going to help draw huge crowds and provide an amazing live experience. While I don't think he can replicate every single MM track, I'd love to hear his take on songs like Fall into the Light and Breaking All Illusions.

I always said that. MM's main flaw was being the wrong Mike.

But we spent more than a decade arguing about how robotic MM was. In a band that has JORDAN RUDESS as a member.
It's unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: EPIC Outro on October 25, 2023, 09:37:22 PM

Did the band ever really consider MM a real member, or just a hired gun? I always considered him a full member. To hear the band basically say 'Thanks for getting us through this rough patch! Later!' feels like such a slap in the face. The guy was their drummer and he was damn good at it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 25, 2023, 09:41:24 PM

Did the band ever really consider MM a real member, or just a hired gun? I always considered him a full member. To hear the band basically say 'Thanks for getting us through this rough patch! Later!' feels like such a slap in the face. The guy was their drummer and he was damn good at it.

Yes.
Very disappointed by the band's statements.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 25, 2023, 11:33:42 PM
yeah, but if you'd search for mike mangini, you'd get thousands of hits talking about the return of MP. great timing??

Again, what can he do? His solo album has been in the works for years, and it's finally ready to be released. AND, he just got fired, there's not much he can control there.

You do you, can't and won't tell you what to say or how to say it, but I will note for the public record, to call this a "firing" without any more details than we have is, in my humble opinion, irresponsible.  "Firing" has the implication of one-sided and based on some cause, some displeasure.  We - well, let me check that, I - don't know that there was anything of the kind.  For all we know, John was on the phone and said to his wife "man, I enjoyed playing with Portnoy; I can see someday having him back" and Mike overhearing it and saying "WOW, thank you for bringing that up first.  I've been meaning to find a way to tell you...."    Or, maybe, "Hey John, look this is hard, but I want to do a solo record and I want to teach again. I'm not going anywhere until you figure shit out, but if you've got anyone else in mind, I'm game for it."   John: "I know just the guy...."

Who knows, maybe Derek wasn't fired either :biggrin: :lol

I chuckled :lol

Stads and Bosk are right. We don't know the cold hard facts and we're never likely to. But given what we know of Mangini's character, I find it unlikely he left of his own volition. I think his reaction in Rodgrigo's interview supports that although I totally get that you can still be that emotional about something you've decided yourself to walk away from (I am that sort of person myself).

Edit: I've just seen MP's response to MM's Instagram post and yeah, that supports the idea that Mangini was let go. Either way, I have to agree Mangini has been very classy. Good on him.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 26, 2023, 04:29:32 AM
Looking back, I think that once MP and JP decided to 1) play on JP's solo album and 2) bring back LTE, that was them testing the waters to see what a reunion would look like. MP and JLB making amends was also a HUGE part of this equation, since the two of them were still not in good terms after so many years. And I also believe (and hope) that they have been transparent with MM all along. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Sycsa on October 26, 2023, 04:47:27 AM
For all we know, John was on the phone and said to his wife "man, I enjoyed playing with Portnoy; I can see someday having him back" and Mike overhearing it and saying "WOW, thank you for bringing that up first.  I've been meaning to find a way to tell you...."    Or, maybe, "Hey John, look this is hard, but I want to do a solo record and I want to teach again. I'm not going anywhere until you figure shit out, but if you've got anyone else in mind, I'm game for it."   John: "I know just the guy...."
Come on, these scenarios are so absurd, it almost comes across as satirical. Just because we don't know what happened, doesn't mean that both scenarios (firing vs. mutual split) have the same chance of having happened. IMO the odds are like 9 to 1 that MM was nudged out of DT against his will.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2023, 04:52:28 AM
Looking back, I think that once MP and JP decided to 1) play on JP's solo album and 2) bring back LTE, that was them testing the waters to see what a reunion would look like. MP and JLB making amends was also a HUGE part of this equation, since the two of them were still not in good terms after so many years. And I also believe (and hope) that they have been transparent with MM all along.

Other than any conditions on MP's role going forward, this was really the last shoe to drop.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Trav86 on October 26, 2023, 05:37:53 AM
Looking back, I think that once MP and JP decided to 1) play on JP's solo album and 2) bring back LTE, that was them testing the waters to see what a reunion would look like. MP and JLB making amends was also a HUGE part of this equation, since the two of them were still not in good terms after so many years. And I also believe (and hope) that they have been transparent with MM all along.

Other than any conditions on MP's role going forward, this was really the last shoe to drop.

Exactly. And it seems from both of them that it was something that gradually built up. They were best friends the first few years in the band. A mix of LaBrie struggling and Portnoy’s ego inflating lead to bad blood. I’m glad they’ve worked it out. Portnoy seems to humbled and I’m sure he’s grateful to be back.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on October 26, 2023, 05:56:10 AM
Just for the story, I remember JP when news broke out that MP was going to drum his solo album, that he immediately covered MM and he made fully clear that he will not lose his position in DT, so he stopped the speculations of MP returning..in retrospect I understand this, possibly he knew that DT was going to write the next album and he didn't want anything to be messing with it. But there was a built up for sure, whether in personal level with each member or with MP casually attending the band's concerts again.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 26, 2023, 06:05:38 AM
Just for the story, I remember JP when news broke out that MP was going to drum his solo album, that he immediately covered MM and he made fully clear that he will not lose his position in DT, so he stopped the speculations of MP returning..in retrospect I understand this, possibly he knew that DT was going to write the next album and he didn't want anything to be messing with it. But there was a built up for sure, whether in personal level with each member or with MP casually attending the band's concerts again.

Yes, I remember that as well. It was a slow process that accelerated once LTE and Petrucci's solo album happened. From what I heard, MP tried to make amends with JLB through years and it didn't work out, ans then it finally did.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Podaar on October 26, 2023, 06:27:32 AM
Thanks so much, Genie. You will be missed! I hope this departure is in order to fulfill your wishes, even if I have my doubts.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2023, 06:55:06 AM
For all we know, John was on the phone and said to his wife "man, I enjoyed playing with Portnoy; I can see someday having him back" and Mike overhearing it and saying "WOW, thank you for bringing that up first.  I've been meaning to find a way to tell you...."    Or, maybe, "Hey John, look this is hard, but I want to do a solo record and I want to teach again. I'm not going anywhere until you figure shit out, but if you've got anyone else in mind, I'm game for it."   John: "I know just the guy...."
Come on, these scenarios are so absurd, it almost comes across as satirical. Just because we don't know what happened, doesn't mean that both scenarios (firing vs. mutual split) have the same chance of having happened. IMO the odds are like 9 to 1 that MM was nudged out of DT against his will.

I'm not arguing with you. AT ALL.  I'm just saying that you don't know FOR SURE and anyone that tells you they do without talking to one of the principles is just speculating.  I think - and I'm not speaking for him (and we didn't talk about this personally) - the problem for Bosk IS all the speculating.  I said this yesterday; so many of us are concerned for Mike M. and his feelings, and I can imagine seeing people just assuming he was FIRED is potentially adding to any discomfort he may already be feeling.

Look, I have my feelings on the matter - and you might be surprised what they are - but they are just that, and I'm not pretending that the words uttered by the principles are anything more than they are: inconclusive.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2023, 06:57:31 AM
Holy shit, he looked like he was about to start crying. He knew.

Boom. Nailed it.

Or he burped. Had gas.  That was my initial response when I first saw it and I'm sticking to that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 26, 2023, 08:21:37 AM
Another thing that makes me sad here is that Mike, again in Rodrigo's interview, said his solo album is in a completely different style because he wanted to do something different than what he was doing with DT because why make both sound the same when you can do both? But now he's not in DT anymore and many people are already dismissing his solo album because of the style he chose to write in.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 26, 2023, 09:17:14 AM
Another thing that makes me sad here is that Mike, again in Rodrigo's interview, said his solo album is in a completely different style because he wanted to do something different than what he was doing with DT because why make both sound the same when you can do both? But now he's not in DT anymore and many people are already dismissing his solo album because of the style he chose to write in.

 And I used that as the thumbnail for the interview!

 The one question that made me uncomfortable was when I asked him why there were no songs penned by him on AVFTTOTW, and he said "I wasn't asked to present anything". That was the lightbulb moment for me during the interview where I thought "maybe he doesn't want me to bring up DT AT ALL". I carried on, and had a few more "colorful" questions related to DT, but decided not to ask them.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
Another thing that makes me sad here is that Mike, again in Rodrigo's interview, said his solo album is in a completely different style because he wanted to do something different than what he was doing with DT because why make both sound the same when you can do both? But now he's not in DT anymore and many people are already dismissing his solo album because of the style he chose to write in.

 And I used that as the thumbnail for the interview!

 The one question that made me uncomfortable was when I asked him why there were no songs penned by him on AVFTTOTW, and he said "I wasn't asked to present anything". That was the lightbulb moment for me during the interview where I thought "maybe he doesn't want me to bring up DT AT ALL". I carried on, and had a few more "colorful" questions related to DT, but decided not to ask them.

That actually struck me as odd too (though I'm not suggesting I saw any of this coming).  Why would you have to be ASKED to contribute? Doesn't that sort of work against the entire model of a team pulling in the same direction?  Your shit may not be used, I give you that, but to need to be "ASKED"?   
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2023, 09:22:10 AM
Another thing that makes me sad here is that Mike, again in Rodrigo's interview, said his solo album is in a completely different style because he wanted to do something different than what he was doing with DT because why make both sound the same when you can do both? But now he's not in DT anymore and many people are already dismissing his solo album because of the style he chose to write in.

 And I used that as the thumbnail for the interview!

 The one question that made me uncomfortable was when I asked him why there were no songs penned by him on AVFTTOTW, and he said "I wasn't asked to present anything". That was the lightbulb moment for me during the interview where I thought "maybe he doesn't want me to bring up DT AT ALL". I carried on, and had a few more "colorful" questions related to DT, but decided not to ask them.

That actually struck me as odd too (though I'm not suggesting I saw any of this coming).  Why would you have to be ASKED to contribute? Doesn't that sort of work against the entire model of a team pulling in the same direction?  Your shit may not be used, I give you that, but to need to be "ASKED"?   I'm not speculating on anything, nor drawing any conclusions, but it was a statement that stood out for it's need for context.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on October 26, 2023, 09:23:35 AM
Definitely get sad vibes reading his official statement. He really seems to be doing himself a disservice regarding his role in the band. I can't imagine any of the other guys ever telling him he is there "just to play drums". He was far more important than that.

Thank you, MM, for keeping the band alive and in good shape for the past 13 years, for your extraordinary level of dedication and musicianship and for your humility and class in the wake of this groundbreaking change.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 26, 2023, 09:38:01 AM
Another thing that makes me sad here is that Mike, again in Rodrigo's interview, said his solo album is in a completely different style because he wanted to do something different than what he was doing with DT because why make both sound the same when you can do both? But now he's not in DT anymore and many people are already dismissing his solo album because of the style he chose to write in.

 And I used that as the thumbnail for the interview!

 The one question that made me uncomfortable was when I asked him why there were no songs penned by him on AVFTTOTW, and he said "I wasn't asked to present anything". That was the lightbulb moment for me during the interview where I thought "maybe he doesn't want me to bring up DT AT ALL". I carried on, and had a few more "colorful" questions related to DT, but decided not to ask them.

That actually struck me as odd too (though I'm not suggesting I saw any of this coming).  Why would you have to be ASKED to contribute? Doesn't that sort of work against the entire model of a team pulling in the same direction?  Your shit may not be used, I give you that, but to need to be "ASKED"?   I'm not speculating on anything, nor drawing any conclusions, but it was a statement that stood out for it's need for context.

Without trying to speculate too much given recent events... I think (my opinion) it's a combination of two factors:

1. He was still "the new guy" in some ways. He's talked many times in interviews about how his personality and upbringing make him conscious and respectful of everyone else around him. He's explicitly said he was taught "not to enter someone else's house and inmediately start looking in the fridge to see what he could grab". And that leads us to:

2. The way the band's structure was already set. And I'd say this is even less speculation because I remember Jordan also being asked about writing lyrics for DT in different interviews and he said something like "that wasn't something that was requested of me when I joined, so I never messed with that". He said the lyricists were pretty much defined when he stepped in, so that role didn't "need" anyone else to jump in.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 26, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
Definitely get sad vibes reading his official statement. He really seems to be doing himself a disservice regarding his role in the band. I can't imagine any of the other guys ever telling him he is there "just to play drums". He was far more important than that.

Thank you, MM, for keeping the band alive and in good shape for the past 13 years, for your extraordinary level of dedication and musicianship and for your humility and class in the wake of this groundbreaking change.
In my eyes, Mike was 100% a full member of the band. I never thought of it as Dream Theater + Mangini. It was just Dream Theater.

In terms of how the band thought about it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of those "gradually, and then all at once" kind of situations. Like in 2013, Mangini was 100% a member of the band and Portnoy was never returning. Then in 2020, it was in the cards for Portnoy to maybe do a show with them one day. Then in 2022, it was in the cards for Portnoy to rejoin if Mangini left of his own accord. Then in 2023, the Dream Sonic tour underperformed and the band grew worried about the business side of things. And then... Portnoy was back.

Again, pure speculation. But it wouldn't surprise me if something like that happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2023, 10:01:32 AM
Apparently I've never posted in this thread all this time. Which is shame for me to finally do so when MM's time with DT has come to an end.  I've always liked MM.  Always thought he was the best fit since they made that documentary (I wasn't familiar with him prior).  Thought he was great to watch live and always seemed personable and nice when watching him speak.  Even his comments about the situation have been with the highest respect. 

And as much as I think MP being back is probably best for DT, I can't help but feel a sadness for MM the person.  As far as I could tell, he was a full member of the band.  He may have always been a bit of an outsider being the newest member, but I was one for sure that thought DT would never replace him unless he wanted out. 

Sadly, there has been no sign to me that MM wanted to leave DT.  All the wording so far makes me feel like MM was let go, and I find that sad and unfortunate for the guy who's held the ship together and made some great music with DT.  I do hope he received a fair severance package from the band, which may have included an NDA to not bad mouth his previous employer. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 10:09:00 AM
My impression was always that Mangini and the rest were were more co-workers than friends.  Not saying he didn't like them all, or they didn't like him, but whenever Mangini talked about any of them, it was like he was talking about a business associate rather than a buddy.  That is not a bad thing, as many bands are more co-workers than friends, but I think it demonstrates the difference, as Portnoy is obviously great friends with both Rudess and Petrucci (not sure of the other two).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Samsara on October 26, 2023, 10:12:23 AM
A huge THANK YOU, to Mike Mangini. Class act. The last two DT records with you, were my favorite DT records since Train of Thought.

For many years, Mangini said he wanted to be in a band, and Dream Theater was that home for him for 13 years. Whatever he does next, all of us Dream Theater fans owe him a debt of gratitude.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 26, 2023, 10:32:02 AM
My impression was always that Mangini and the rest were were more co-workers than friends.  Not saying he didn't like them all, or they didn't like him, but whenever Mangini talked about any of them, it was like he was talking about a business associate rather than a buddy.  That is not a bad thing, as many bands are more co-workers than friends, but I think it demonstrates the difference, as Portnoy is obviously great friends with both Rudess and Petrucci (not sure of the other two).

Coworkers is the right word. And as much as we try to romanticize the bands we're fans of as "high school friends who found this incredible chemistry and started the band out of their friendship", they are co-workers who are there to make a living at the end of the day. Granted, DT with MP started in a more "organic" way, for lack of a better word, than when MM came in and they were already a well established act. But the bottom line is that they're business associates, no different than your colleagues in IT, Procurement, or Business Development. It's just that their roles are WAAAAAAAY cooler than the corporate world.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: XJDenton on October 26, 2023, 10:52:56 AM
My impression was always that Mangini and the rest were were more co-workers than friends.  Not saying he didn't like them all, or they didn't like him, but whenever Mangini talked about any of them, it was like he was talking about a business associate rather than a buddy.  That is not a bad thing, as many bands are more co-workers than friends, but I think it demonstrates the difference, as Portnoy is obviously great friends with both Rudess and Petrucci (not sure of the other two).

Agreed with this.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: PixelDream on October 26, 2023, 10:53:12 AM
I really hope they did this in a respectful and fair way towards MM. Of course Mike Portnoy ‘belongs’ in this band. With all the relationships rekindled maaaybe even MM sees it that way? Any case, cool MP is back and I’m grateful to MM for some great music and five or so live shows I’ve seen with him.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Chino on October 26, 2023, 10:55:27 AM
My fault for never looking into the albums too much, but was MM ever credited with writing any of the music/lyrics since he's been in the band? 

How does that work with the future? If DT uses one of his songs on tour, does he get a royalty?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on October 26, 2023, 11:02:03 AM
My fault for never looking into the albums too much, but was MM ever credited with writing any of the music/lyrics since he's been in the band? 

How does that work with the future? If DT uses one of his songs on tour, does he get a royalty?

The only lyric he ever contributed I believe was Room 137, which I can’t see ever being played now.

However I believe he received shared music credits for the majority of tracks on DT12, D/T and View? I’m guessing he’d get his fair share for those.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2023, 11:04:27 AM
As far as I could tell, he was a full member of the band. 

...


I do hope he received a fair severance package from the band, which may have included an NDA to not bad mouth his previous employer. 

All that kind of thing gets really murky in a band context.  I don't want to derail this and go too far off on a tangent, especially given the actual subject matter of the thread, as I don't want to distract from that.  But since this has come up a few times, here's a bit of insight:

Being a "full member" of a band kind of means different things in different contexts.  In terms of the "official" legal context, that means whoever legally "owns" and controls the band.  If we assume the band is legally set up as a corporation, that is whoever owns the shares of the corporation.  And whenever the corporation (band) takes an official action or makes an official decision, the decision is made based on a majority vote.  This is fairly simple and straightforward in a situation where, for example, you have a 5 person band and each member owns equal shares (20%).  Basically, you would need 3 members to agree in order to have a majority.  That gets tricky in a lot of situations where it isn't equal.  Let's say, for example, that after Kevin left, the band decided that the keyboard player role would be an "employee" role in the band rather than an "owner."  That doesn't necessarily say anything bad about the keyboard player's value in the band.  Just a corporate decision about "ownership."  That leaves 4 voting members.  That gets tricky in the event of a tie.  So maybe they decided that JP would be the tiebreaker, and they restructured so that JM, JLB, and MP each owned 24%, and that 1% that got taken from each of them went to JP, so he now owns 28%.  In the event of a tie vote, JP now breaks the tie, as anyone voting with him is now part of a 52/48 majority, in this hypothetical. 

But note that this does not necessarily impact other day-to-day things, like how much each member gets paid, or what their role is in the daily functioning of the band.  In terms of payout of dividends and other distributions that are tied to ownership, yeah, owners get paid those things according to their ownership percentage.  But that has nothing to do with salaries, bonuses, and other payments that the band can set to be whatever they want and can be equal, can be different based on different corporate functions the members have, and lots of other things.  In other words, ownership does not necessarily impact how much each person takes home at the end of the year.  It might.  But it might not, depending on how they decide to structure things.  And the ultimate compensation a band member gets may be based on LOTS of different things, including how much they contribute to songwriting, how active they are in managing corporate affairs (dealing with band management, marketing, etc. on a day-to-day basis).  You may have situations where a band member who contributes almost nothing from a songwriting perspective gets equal pay because they are good with the business side and are heavily involved in that.  You may have a situation where a bandmember gets a lot more than other members because he or she does a lot of EVERYTHING.  It just depends.  Lots of different ways to do things.

Now, as far as the day-to-day music-related stuff, whether or not someone is a full "owner" of the band doesn't mean they do or don't have equal musical or creative input, or a voice in everyday decisions.  A non-owner might even have a huge say in official decisions if the band's model is to decide things informally based on a consensus of the entire band, and then the actual owners get together when necessary to do a "straw vote" to approve whatever the entire group decided.  Again, there are lots of different ways this can play out.

With that context in mind, as far as Mangini's role within DT:  Again, I have no idea what his role was, either officially or unofficially.  It seems he had input in certain areas.  And he did not have input in others, whether that was his choice, the rest of the band's, or by mutual agreement.  Whether he was an "owner," I don't know, but even if he wasn't, that doesn't necessarily mean anything in the grand scheme of things, as there may be lots of reasons why he might not be.  For one thing, they would have had to decide whether a new band member coming in would be an owner or employee.  Or maybe a situation where the person comes in as an employee initially, and then there is a built-in option for that person to become an owner after a certain triggering event (such as the passage of a certain amount of time, or a certain number of albums/tours, or something else).  For another, the new member might not want to be an owner for any number of reasons.  Maybe he or she doesn't actually want to deal with any part of the corporate management.  Or maybe he or she does not have the cash on hand to be able to afford to buy in for however much those corporate shares are valued.  (side note:  I kind of laughed during the part in the Metallica documentary where they decided to hire Rob, and they made a huge deal out of offering him a huge signing bonus to join in order to show how "serious" they were about having him onboard as an equal member.  I suspect that what that was actually about was them just structuring the buy-in in such a way that they were paying him a bonus for him to then turn around and pay back to the corporation for his buy-in shares)

So with all that as background, I hope that provides context to the discussion that whether Mangini was a "full member" or a "hired gun" isn't really a simple issue.  It means A LOT of different things in different context, and the answer doesn't necessarily mean what we might think it means.  As for the ultimate answer:  I don't know what his status was, either officially or unofficially.  But there are lots and lots of reasons why he might or might not have had whatever status he had.  Whatever the answer was, it seemed to work for him and be something he was content with, and I'm sure he had at least some bargaining power and influence over what his role would be when he came onboard.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on October 26, 2023, 11:12:35 AM
Oh for sure there's a lot more detail than just "in the band" DT are long from the days of just a group of friends making music.  It's a corporation and there's a lot of other people part of the umbrella of DT that rely on the band to make money too.  I don't expect to ever know the details.  It's not very common for such details to be shared publicly similar to how we don't openly talk about our personal salaries here in the US.  But it doesn't change the fact that I, personally, do feel like he was let go and it makes me sad to feel that way. 

My father was also let go from his job (this is a few months back now) and it gives me parallel feelings.  My father (or MM) wasn't owed anything, but you do feel bad for when you put in the effort, you do all the right things, you keep the ship afloat, and then one day they ask you not to come back. It's tough.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2023, 11:16:33 AM
Yeah, I hear you.  I honestly don't know whether I feel bad for him or not, or whether I should, just because I have no idea of exactly what happened.  Because, again, it could have gone down a LOT of different ways, and for all we know, he had a major voice in the decision and is perfectly fine with it (or was possibly even moving in that direction himself).  I don't know how he feels about it, so I'm not sure how I should feel "for" him, if that makes sense.  I just feel silly assuming anything.  And that's compounded by some of what I wrote above, because a band is such a strange hybrid of "running a business" and "getting together with a group of guys to jam."  That looks very different from the types of work arrangements most of us are used to.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 26, 2023, 11:51:41 AM
Looking back, I think that once MP and JP decided to 1) play on JP's solo album and 2) bring back LTE, that was them testing the waters to see what a reunion would look like. MP and JLB making amends was also a HUGE part of this equation, since the two of them were still not in good terms after so many years. And I also believe (and hope) that they have been transparent with MM all along.

Seeing them at JP's solo shows was amazing, you could feel that they had that connection again. Coincidentally, I thought to myself, I wonder if this will lead to something.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on October 26, 2023, 12:00:43 PM
Thanks bosk. That was very well laid out and really quite i formative.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 26, 2023, 04:28:09 PM
(side note:  I kind of laughed during the part in the Metallica documentary where they decided to hire Rob, and they made a huge deal out of offering him a huge signing bonus to join in order to show how "serious" they were about having him onboard as an equal member.  I suspect that what that was actually about was them just structuring the buy-in in such a way that they were paying him a bonus for him to then turn around and pay back to the corporation for his buy-in shares)


..something along these lines. They called it an "advance" in the film.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 26, 2023, 05:25:03 PM
One of the questions I had for MM which I decided not to ask because I could tell he wanted to avoid DT in the interview was related to that scene with Metallica and Trujillo. The question was "Famously, Rob Trujillo was paid 1 million dollars as a signing bonus when he joined Metallica. Did DT write you a check as well?". It was obviously intended as a joke, but in hindsight, it was probably for the best that I didn't ask...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2023, 05:32:17 PM
:rollin  Yeah, in hindsight, I am SO glad you didn't ask that!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 26, 2023, 07:10:09 PM
:rollin  Yeah, in hindsight, I am SO glad you didn't ask that!

 One thing I learned the hard way is that it's not enough to say things right in another language - with no grammatical mistakes etc. You need to learn to convey the TONE in a conversation. That's really tough, and one of the last things a non-native speaker like myself will fully understand. That's why I'm super cautious in this interview not to rub people the wrong way. That question was intended as humor, but it would have to be conveyed at a point in the interview where he would be super relaxed to talk about DT. I never got the sense that he wanted to address DT in the interview, so that moment never materialized. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: pg1067 on October 26, 2023, 11:15:39 PM
All that kind of thing gets really murky in a band context.  I don't want to derail this and go too far off on a tangent, especially given the actual subject matter of the thread, as I don't want to distract from that.  But since this has come up a few times, here's a bit of insight:

[truth and logic]

Bosk asked me to take a look at this (or suggested I might find it interesting).

Since there are a lot of new folks floating around DTF these days, I'll share my background.  By coincidence, Bosk and I were admitted to the California State Bar on consecutive days in 2001.  His bar number is just over 600 lower than mine.  For the first 12 years of my career, I worked for a firm in West Los Angeles that is well known for representing clients in the entertainment field, including record companies and musicians.  I represented Sony Music, Warner Music, UMG, the members of Third Eye Blind, and Rob Halford (among many others).  I'm familiar with the ownership structure of Judas Priest (at least as of 10-12 years ago) and the origins of Third Eye Blind as a legal entity (and one of the first things I did as a new lawyer was to dig through some old dusty boxes from when the firm represented the Doors to find the original partnership agreement signed by all four members).

Everything Bosk said is accurate.  In the case of Dream Theater (and a lot of other bands), there are two corporations.  One handles the music side of things (it's the entity that contracts with record companies), and the other handles touring and merchandise.  I can't remember the exact names, but I believe one is called Ytse Jams, Inc. and is mentioned in the liner notes of all the recent albums.  Each of these corporations has a set of by-laws that outline how the corporations are governed and managed.  In addition, there may be what's typically called a band agreement to which the individual band members would be parties.  That agreement may outline things like songwriting credit, continuing entitlement to royalties if a member leaves, etc.

The term "full member" has no universal meaning.  For example, at the time I represented Rob Halford, Scott Travis, despite having been in the band over 20 years at that point (longer than any other drummer in the band's history), and despite appearing to all the world as something more than a "hired gun," was "only" a contract employee of one of the JP entities (I've heard that may have changed since then.

I have no knowledge of the various agreements that cover the inner workings of Dream Theater.  However, my educated guess is that, when MP left the band, the corporate entities and/or the other four members had to buy out his interest in the two corporations.  The negotiations for this buy-out were occasionally mentioned in the media, and I would LOVE to know how things played out.  Ultimately, my assumption is that MP received a chunk of cash (possibly along with payments over time) in exchange for his ownership interest in the legal entities.  Whether MP retained his ownership and control over copyrights in DT musical compositions is hard to guess at, but there was a lot of discussion around whether the remaining band members may have agreed to refrain from playing certain songs without MP in the band.  This would be similar to the well-publicized agreement between Queensryche and Geoff Tate regarding performances of Operation: Mindcrime.

Anyway, none of us know whether MM came on as an owner of the DT corporations.  The public statements about MM being a "full member" have no relevance to that issue.  If MM was/is an owner, then there have been or will be the same sort of negotiations that went on with MP (or maybe they streamlined the agreements to make it easier).  If not, then it would simply be a matter of what his independent contractor ("employment") agreement says.  And, as before, I would really LOVE to see the agreements.

And, last, with MP rejoining, will he regain his ownership in the DT corporations (essentially undoing the "divorce" of a decade-plus ago)?  Again, we'll never know.

I'm kinda brain-fried and tired right now, so I hope that was somewhat coherent and not boring (even though it may not have shed much light on anything).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 26, 2023, 11:35:56 PM
I found that post to be genuinely insightful, nice one.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 27, 2023, 01:25:17 AM
I too appreciate a lot these details, and I find them damn interesting.

For sure, however, the average fan intends someone being a "full member" when they "feel" fully integrated in the band. I consider Scott Travis the drummer and "a member" of Judas Priest, the knowledge that he is a contracted employee does not change my perception that he is an integral part of the band (he's the guy that came up with the Painkiller intro!!!).

Same with Mangini; he's been there for 13 years. He played on 5 albums and he was about to start his sixth. The band talked nicely about him. I considered him the drummer and a "full member" of Dream Theater, regardless of his legal status in the DT corporation.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2023, 07:41:39 AM
Each of these corporations has a set of by-laws that outline how the corporations are governed and managed.  In addition, there may be what's typically called a band agreement to which the individual band members would be parties.  That agreement may outline things like songwriting credit, continuing entitlement to royalties if a member leaves, etc.

One other point, for the "fans":  these agreements - the by-laws, what are called "operating agreements" - have the protocols for how the corporate business is undertaken.  I would imagine that rock bands are less than diligent on the corporate formalities of meetings and notice and such, but when members leave (or are added) the formalities (sometimes) have to be followed.  Often, these agreements have clauses that only come into effect at certain points of the negotiations, or with certain triggers including (but not limited to) litigation.   In laymen's terms, sometimes the parties - even if they agree and there is no real dispute - cannot do what they want to have done without certain things happening first.   I don't know for certain, and I'm not speculating, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Ozzy-Tony Iommi litigation was a prerequisite for certain things to happen from a corporate standpoint in the famous "Black Sabbath" name case.  I have some reason to believe (which I'd rather not discuss) that the lawsuit filed in 2010 when Mike left was for these purposes.   Laymen often have this perception that lawsuits are always adversarial and often have the flavor of being a "dick" move, and that often couldn't be further from the truth.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 27, 2023, 07:45:35 AM
I wonder what's going to happen to Eric (drum tech) now that MM is out and MP has his own tech (even though Eric also worked with MP for the OVM days).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on October 27, 2023, 07:53:54 AM

Did the band ever really consider MM a real member, or just a hired gun? I always considered him a full member. To hear the band basically say 'Thanks for getting us through this rough patch! Later!' feels like such a slap in the face. The guy was their drummer and he was damn good at it.
Yeah but they did the same thing to Derek so..
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ReaperKK on October 27, 2023, 08:07:58 AM
A lot of great posts here. Pg you mentioned third eye blind, I would've loved to know what went down when there when their guitarist broke from the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2023, 08:15:18 AM

Did the band ever really consider MM a real member, or just a hired gun? I always considered him a full member. To hear the band basically say 'Thanks for getting us through this rough patch! Later!' feels like such a slap in the face. The guy was their drummer and he was damn good at it.
Yeah but they did the same thing to Derek so..

We don't know what was discussed, though, and as I've said a number of times, this gig comes with the specter of the previous member looming in the background.  Everyone knew that going in.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 08:39:31 AM
I found that post to be genuinely insightful, nice one.

Agreed, it was not boring, it was coherent and informative.

For sure, however, the average fan intends someone being a "full member" when they "feel" fully integrated in the band. I consider Scott Travis the drummer and "a member" of Judas Priest, the knowledge that he is a contracted employee does not change my perception that he is an integral part of the band (he's the guy that came up with the Painkiller intro!!!).

Same with Mangini; he's been there for 13 years. He played on 5 albums and he was about to start his sixth. The band talked nicely about him. I considered him the drummer and a "full member" of Dream Theater, regardless of his legal status in the DT corporation.

Yeah, I kind of agree with this and I think we are mixing things up with formalities and legal definitions.  MM from the perspective of the band, seemed like what we would call a "full time member" as in he took part in PR, was in all the pictures, was presented the same as any other band member.  There's plenty of examples of bands with obviously not "full time members" I can think of Blind Guardian who NEVER show their keyboardist (who's been with them forever, or bassist (I believe they have a new one now, but the previosu guy was there for a long time) in any promotional output and they never treat those guys the same as the guitarist and drummer. Of course, as stated, it means nothing in a legal sense, but I think we all agree that the legal sense and the "band sense" there's likely a difference.

Each of these corporations has a set of by-laws that outline how the corporations are governed and managed.  In addition, there may be what's typically called a band agreement to which the individual band members would be parties.  That agreement may outline things like songwriting credit, continuing entitlement to royalties if a member leaves, etc.

One other point, for the "fans":  these agreements - the by-laws, what are called "operating agreements" - have the protocols for how the corporate business is undertaken.  I would imagine that rock bands are less than diligent on the corporate formalities of meetings and notice and such, but when members leave (or are added) the formalities (sometimes) have to be followed.  Often, these agreements have clauses that only come into effect at certain points of the negotiations, or with certain triggers including (but not limited to) litigation.   In laymen's terms, sometimes the parties - even if they agree and there is no real dispute - cannot do what they want to have done without certain things happening first.   I don't know for certain, and I'm not speculating, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Ozzy-Tony Iommi litigation was a prerequisite for certain things to happen from a corporate standpoint in the famous "Black Sabbath" name case.  I have some reason to believe (which I'd rather not discuss) that the lawsuit filed in 2010 when Mike left was for these purposes.   Laymen often have this perception that lawsuits are always adversarial and often have the flavor of being a "dick" move, and that often couldn't be further from the truth.

I would imagine that bands not knowing their own by-laws is a reason for some nasty break ups and follow up lawsuits. But this is also likely when bands complain about the "business side" of music.  There's countless examples of bands signing contracts not understanding what they've agreed to.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: IgnotusPerIgnotium on October 27, 2023, 08:42:56 AM
We don't know what was discussed, though, and as I've said a number of times, this gig comes with the specter of the previous member looming in the background.  Everyone knew that going in.

What I'm trying to say is that there's no easy to sack a member, it always brings some kind of scorn with it, even if MM left with the best terms. I don't know about looming figures in the background, but they share something in common, both were solid players and they never caused anything serious to actually be driven out of the band. These are simple and plain internal decisions, eventually they are going to be asked how they came up with letting go MM and we'll know the spicy details.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: faizoff on October 27, 2023, 08:55:33 AM
Thanks for the awesome read bosk and Paul! it's always great to read about the inner workings of a band at the management and corporate level.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 27, 2023, 09:02:21 AM
We don't know what was discussed, though, and as I've said a number of times, this gig comes with the specter of the previous member looming in the background.  Everyone knew that going in.

What I'm trying to say is that there's no easy to sack a member, it always brings some kind of scorn with it, even if MM left with the best terms. I don't know about looming figures in the background, but they share something in common, both were solid players and they never caused anything serious to actually be driven out of the band. These are simple and plain internal decisions, eventually they are going to be asked how they came up with letting go MM and we'll know the spicy details.

Yes. The next interviews with the band or with MM will necessarily need to address this subject. Obvious questions for any interviewer who knows how to do their job. Whether they want to respond is another thing. But asking is mandatory.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 27, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
Was going back and forth on whether to even say this, but since there's been a lot of conversation about the business side of things, I do hope that they gave Mike a pretty decent "severance package" when he left. I know we're not 100% sure what exactly happened, whether or not he was even fired, etc. But I think everyone knows what I mean. If the split was truly amicable, I think a little exit bonus would be more than deserved.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2023, 10:15:36 AM
Was going back and forth on whether to even say this, but since there's been a lot of conversation about the business side of things, I do hope that they gave Mike a pretty decent "severance package" when he left. I know we're not 100% sure what exactly happened, whether or not he was even fired, etc. But I think everyone knows what I mean. If the split was truly amicable, I think a little exit bonus would be more than deserved.

Yeah I mentioned that yesterday, hoping he got some sort of severance package as well.  Obviously we don't know the situation to know anything about that, just hope he was treated well on the way out, which I do think was the case given that there seems to be no bad blood. As much as I do feel a bit bad for him, there's nothing I've seen to suggest he wasn't treated professionally and respectfully during this.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Architeuthis on October 27, 2023, 10:49:29 AM
I think DT has enough class to treat MM with deep respect.  I do remember though, JP saying that he is a member of the band and not a hired drummer. In the audtion video when MM got the call, they said welcome to the DT family!
Even a year or two ago JP silenced the speculation of MP's return saying it's not happening and that Mike Mangini is a permanent member and their drummer.
I'm thinking that MM is backing out on his own accord. He doesn't like touring as much as Portnoy, and probably even knows it would be to the bands benefit to have MP back into the fold.  I could be wrong, just speculation.
I'm sure Mike Mangini will be fine and could get just about any job he wants. He can go back to teaching, or excel in many musical projects. He has quite a resume..
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 27, 2023, 02:25:09 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Skeever on October 27, 2023, 02:38:18 PM
I think Jordan plays with a good amount of feel. Yeah he plays too many notes sometimes but he doesn't sound robotic to me at all.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: KevShmev on October 27, 2023, 02:54:28 PM
We don't know what was discussed, though, and as I've said a number of times, this gig comes with the specter of the previous member looming in the background.  Everyone knew that going in.

What I'm trying to say is that there's no easy to sack a member, it always brings some kind of scorn with it, even if MM left with the best terms. I don't know about looming figures in the background, but they share something in common, both were solid players and they never caused anything serious to actually be driven out of the band. These are simple and plain internal decisions, eventually they are going to be asked how they came up with letting go MM and we'll know the spicy details.

Yes. The next interviews with the band or with MM will necessarily need to address this subject. Obvious questions for any interviewer who knows how to do their job. Whether they want to respond is another thing. But asking is mandatory.

I wouldn't count on that.  It might be broached in a very delicate manner, but it wouldn't be done in a "we need answers!" kinda way.  Most interviewers nowadays seem to not want to lose access, so they avoid tough questions that might get them blacklisted.  All it takes is asking one tough question, and not only does that musician no longer willing to grant you interviews, but they might tell their musicians friends to avoid you as well, and the next thing you know, it is a challenge to get anyone to let you interview them.  It's too risky.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 27, 2023, 05:58:41 PM
We don't know what was discussed, though, and as I've said a number of times, this gig comes with the specter of the previous member looming in the background.  Everyone knew that going in.

What I'm trying to say is that there's no easy to sack a member, it always brings some kind of scorn with it, even if MM left with the best terms. I don't know about looming figures in the background, but they share something in common, both were solid players and they never caused anything serious to actually be driven out of the band. These are simple and plain internal decisions, eventually they are going to be asked how they came up with letting go MM and we'll know the spicy details.

Yes. The next interviews with the band or with MM will necessarily need to address this subject. Obvious questions for any interviewer who knows how to do their job. Whether they want to respond is another thing. But asking is mandatory.

I wouldn't count on that.  It might be broached in a very delicate manner, but it wouldn't be done in a "we need answers!" kinda way.  Most interviewers nowadays seem to not want to lose access, so they avoid tough questions that might get them blacklisted.  All it takes is asking one tough question, and not only does that musician no longer willing to grant you interviews, but they might tell their musicians friends to avoid you as well, and the next thing you know, it is a challenge to get anyone to let you interview them.  It's too risky.

Mainly in the prog world. Some sites seem to be afraid to criticize certain artists in reviews. I imagine some people avoid difficult questions.

But I don't know, I think Mike Mangini will have to explain for the rest of his life why he's out of DT. It's like Andreas Kisser explaining every week why Max Cavalera left the band, even 27 years after the fact.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 06:05:54 PM

But I don't know, I think Mike Mangini will have to explain for the rest of his life why he's out of DT.


No he won't because there's literally no mystery behind the move. He has nothing to explain.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 27, 2023, 06:35:51 PM

But I don't know, I think Mike Mangini will have to explain for the rest of his life why he's out of DT.


No he won't because there's literally no mystery behind the move. He has nothing to explain.

Maybe it's due to the language. The "will have to explain" was not meant to be taken literally.  :biggrin:

I'll try to explain.

I didn't mean he OWED an explanation. Andreas Kisser shouldn't either. But that doesn't stop him from being asked the same thing in practically every interview for 27 years.
I imagine that many interviewers will want to ask MM the details of his departure from the band.

If the interview is for some media in South America, then I am absolutely certain that this will be asked.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 07:00:43 PM
I understood just fine I think. I mean, what details are you looking for? They brought MP back and let him go. There's really not much of a story here.
Are you looking for financial details, or for him to repeat the conversation with whoever told him?

I guess he could be asked about no longer being in DT, or how he felt about his time in DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 27, 2023, 07:15:52 PM
I understood just fine I think. I mean, what details are you looking for? They brought MP back and let him go. There's really not much of a story here.
Are you looking for financial details, or for him to repeat the conversation with whoever told him?

I guess he could be asked about no longer being in DT, or how he felt about his time in DT.

Well, according to many members of this illustrious forum, we don't know for a fact what happened. So obviously the interviewer is going to want to clarify this, what really happened?
It will get a lot of clicks.

To me it seems obvious.

I know some YouTubers from my country who have already interviewed guys from the band (JLB and JR) who will ask questions about this at the first opportunity.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 07:17:25 PM
Yay clicks!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on October 27, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
Yay clicks!

Yeah... guys need to eat.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2023, 08:13:55 PM
In this interview from this past Tuesday, Mike talks about working with Jordan in the past tense..
https://youtu.be/CFNO2SwiXFk?si=gTa-UrzZHm1e5kKU&t=645
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on October 27, 2023, 10:08:20 PM
The only question I'd like to get answered at this point if when did all of this happen? We surely just found out a couple days ago, but some of the comments made by a few of the individuals involved make it sound like everything happened some time ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 28, 2023, 12:44:07 AM
DT's last show with Mangini was at the end of July.

August is more or less vacations time, and probably that's when JP realistically started to openly discuss with the other guys the chance to bring MP back.

It must have happened in September, with the business side of things being dealt with and the announcement with all the "red tape" done.

We'll hardly ever know, but I would be surprised if they went into a summer tour knowing already they were gonna let Mangini go. Maybe JP had a wishful desire, a "what if" in his mind, a "wouldn't it be nice" kind of thing which probably was there since LTE3, but my guess is they decided over August / September.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Architeuthis on October 28, 2023, 03:20:11 AM
:rollin
So glad you're amused..
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2023, 03:43:08 AM
DT's last show with Mangini was at the end of July.

August is more or less vacations time, and probably that's when JP realistically started to openly discuss with the other guys the chance to bring MP back.

It must have happened in September, with the business side of things being dealt with and the announcement with all the "red tape" done.

We'll hardly ever know, but I would be surprised if they went into a summer tour knowing already they were gonna let Mangini go. Maybe JP had a wishful desire, a "what if" in his mind, a "wouldn't it be nice" kind of thing which probably was there since LTE3, but my guess is they decided over August / September.


I think this is all fair. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 28, 2023, 04:28:52 AM
DT's last show with Mangini was at the end of July.

August is more or less vacations time, and probably that's when JP realistically started to openly discuss with the other guys the chance to bring MP back.

It must have happened in September, with the business side of things being dealt with and the announcement with all the "red tape" done.

We'll hardly ever know, but I would be surprised if they went into a summer tour knowing already they were gonna let Mangini go. Maybe JP had a wishful desire, a "what if" in his mind, a "wouldn't it be nice" kind of thing which probably was there since LTE3, but my guess is they decided over August / September.

I don't know the details, but Mike started talking more about his solo album in September, so your guess is VERY close to how it might have happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dellers on October 28, 2023, 06:22:07 AM
Mike has done a truly great job, I'm sad to see him go. While MP fits the band like a glove I have to admit that AVFTTOTW is the single album in my collection regardless of band or genre where I enjoy the drums the most. Especially his stereo cymbal work is really entertaining at times. I don't hear that anywhere else.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: EPIC Outro on October 28, 2023, 07:15:33 AM

Even though the 40th anniversary of DT is just around the corner, I feel there is a strong likelihood Mike Mangini makes some kind of appearance on that tour.

I think a 40th anniversary tour appearance by MM now is much more likely than an MP appearance on such a tour had MM remained in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: pg1067 on October 28, 2023, 03:55:32 PM
A lot of great posts here. Pg you mentioned third eye blind, I would've loved to know what went down when there when their guitarist broke from the band.

You mean Kevin Cadogan or Tony Fredianelli?

When Cadogan left, he and the band got into litigation.  This was before my time, so I only had very limited knowledge as to what that was about.  Interestingly (probably only to me), the Cadogan litigation spawned additional litigation relating to insurance coverage.

The litigation I was involved with was a dispute between the band (primarily Stephan Jenkins) and their longtime manager, Eric Godtland.  That case was about a month away from going to trial when Fredianelli left the band.  I have to be careful with what I say, but Fredianelli leaving threw a real wrench into the works, and the case was resolved by a confidential settlement.  One of the big issues in the case was the LACK of a proper contract between Godtland and the band, and this resulted in yet another litigation between the band and its longtime attorney.  Fredianelli then filed his own lawsuit against the band/Jenkins, but my firm wasn't involved with either of those cases.  I read some public documents long after the fact, but it looked like Fredianelli had some serious issues and ended up going through multiple attorneys and, ultimately, representing himself.  Nevertheless, he won a small part of the case following a jury trial.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ReaperKK on October 29, 2023, 07:27:00 AM
Wow, I was referring to Kevin Cadogan, that was really the only lawsuit I was familiar with (and from what I read Jenkins was a real ass there). I didn't realize that there was more litigation with their manager.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 30, 2023, 08:34:42 PM
Now THAT'S a career change!!!

 https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?fetchDeterministicClustersOnly=true&heroEntityKey=urn%3Ali%3Afsd_profile%3AACoAAAWQwiMBkF5QLEaSwRACA7musPO2AsdeVj0&keywords=mike%20mangini&origin=GLOBAL_SEARCH_HEADER&position=0&searchId=98bd2fdc-2ead-4ac5-8e86-243107cf43ff&sid=sC0&spellCorrectionEnabled=false
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Metro on October 30, 2023, 08:49:40 PM
Maybe post some details for those of us that don't use LinkedIn and cant look at that site? (maybe that's just me)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ReaPsTA on October 30, 2023, 08:57:32 PM
I liked what Mangini did in Dream Theater. I think he really pushed the music forward rhythmically and I think his approach to the music as more of a "glue guy" helped make things more balanced.

Sad to see him go and wish him the best of luck with whatever he does next.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 30, 2023, 09:59:50 PM
Maybte post some details for those of us that don't use LinkedIn and cant look at that site? (maybe that's just me)

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Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 31, 2023, 02:07:45 AM
It's the profile of a Mike Mangini who's a: Logistics Professional, Passionate Learner and History Enthusiast in Dallas-Fort Worth.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: pg1067 on October 31, 2023, 03:07:23 PM
Wow, I was referring to Kevin Cadogan, that was really the only lawsuit I was familiar with (and from what I read Jenkins was a real ass there). I didn't realize that there was more litigation with their manager.

The Cadogan "wrongful termination" lawsuit was filed while I was still in law school.  It lasted two years and, I think, went to trial, but it looks like there may have been a settlement before a decision was issued.  Apparently, there were actually two lawsuits - one in federal court and one in state court (not sure what the distinction was).

Then there was the insurance litigation.

Then the Godtland litigation.

Then the Fredianelli litigation.

Then the lawsuit against the former attorney.

AND, I just learned today that there was another lawsuit filed in October 2018 by Cadogan against Stephan Jenkins and the 3EB corporations (and a counterclaim against Cadogan).  Cadogan alleged that Jenkins failed to account to him for royalties earned on the 2017 anniversary re-release of the 3EB debut album and also royalties from SoundExchange.  Jenkins argued that Cadogan had given up all such rights in the settlement of the first Cadogan lawsuit.  The lawsuit was dismissed in August 2019 following a settlement.

It's staggering to think how much money Jenkins/3EB spent on litigation over the years.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 31, 2023, 11:12:38 PM
Mike, this news is hitting me harder than it should. I was confident that the 4 guys would keep the DT ship running after MP's departure. Once I heard you were going to be the drummer, I knew the ship would run straight and true. And it did, producing 5 solid albums that most bands would love to have as their double-digit numbered releases. You are a significant part of their legacy and I hope you know how much joy you have brought to us over the years.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Lonk on November 01, 2023, 08:44:42 AM
New interview with MM.

https://youtu.be/Swj2fYmiQHw?si=VZr0ueqLydFVpzGy&t=420
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: WilliamMunny on November 01, 2023, 08:46:42 AM
Wow, what a class act. Seriously, the dude inspires me on multiple levels.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ReaperKK on November 01, 2023, 09:12:21 AM
Just put it on now to listen, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 01, 2023, 02:48:13 PM
:rollin
So glad you're amused..
Honestly, looking back at it...I have no idea what that was for.

Which is kind of amusing, as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2023, 08:07:55 PM
Any links of the Trunk/Mangini interview, or have any pertinent quotes come to light?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: devieira73 on November 03, 2023, 09:06:34 PM
Any links of the Trunk/Mangini interview, or have any pertinent quotes come to light?
https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-mangini-on-mike-portnoys-return-to-dream-theater-i-think-people-are-where-they-need-to-be
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on November 07, 2023, 06:42:54 AM
Now that I think about it, making a full album takes a while. From the writing, recording, mixing, mastering, printing and all of that. Most details have to be finalized for long time before it actually hits the streets, so...

With the album coming this week and assuming most details like liner notes and that kind of stuff have been done for a while, will the album have "thanks to my Dream Theater bandmates" on the liner notes? What a weird situation to be in :o
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 07, 2023, 08:09:43 AM
Our album review:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/mike-mangini-brings-his-invisible-signs-into-focus-album-review-by-bernard-romero/

 :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2023, 08:21:32 AM
Good to hear that the singles released aren't the best on the album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: sfenster on November 07, 2023, 10:01:33 AM
I'm new to the forum.  I don't like firing Mangini just because Portnoy wanted back in.  He left DT high & dry when he quit years ago; he could very likely do it again.  Mangini to me has sounded better and his drums fit the soundscape better.  As for the other DT members, are you that callous?  Really had Mike's back, didn't you?  Sorry to say it, as I have enjoyed the DT music over the years, but I'm done with y'all. Buy your own tickets and music. 

Steve
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: DragonAttack on November 07, 2023, 10:20:20 AM
Our album review:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/mike-mangini-brings-his-invisible-signs-into-focus-album-review-by-bernard-romero/

 :metal

Good review, and really enjoyed his three predictions at the end😀
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2023, 10:54:36 AM
I'm new to the forum.  I don't like firing Mangini just because Portnoy wanted back in.  He left DT high & dry when he quit years ago; he could very likely do it again.  Mangini to me has sounded better and his drums fit the soundscape better.  As for the other DT members, are you that callous?  Really had Mike's back, didn't you?  Sorry to say it, as I have enjoyed the DT music over the years, but I'm done with y'all. Buy your own tickets and music. 

Steve
OK?

Bye?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 07, 2023, 12:56:19 PM
Our album review:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/mike-mangini-brings-his-invisible-signs-into-focus-album-review-by-bernard-romero/

 :metal

Good review, and really enjoyed his three predictions at the end😀

Agree, pretty good review Bernard did a good job on this one
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2023, 01:30:44 PM
I'm new to the forum.  I don't like firing Mangini just because Portnoy wanted back in.  He left DT high & dry when he quit years ago; he could very likely do it again.  Mangini to me has sounded better and his drums fit the soundscape better.  As for the other DT members, are you that callous?  Really had Mike's back, didn't you?  Sorry to say it, as I have enjoyed the DT music over the years, but I'm done with y'all. Buy your own tickets and music. 

Steve

Well, for starters, Mangini wasn't fired.  So the premise for the rest of your post is completely off base.  Otherwise, not sure why you felt the need to post here to "tell DT off," or however you want to describe that.  And it certainly does not belong in a thread about thanking and saying farewell to Mike Mangini.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Mosh on November 07, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
Making an account on a forum for a band just to say you're done with that band is pretty funny.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 07, 2023, 01:41:44 PM
Making an account on a forum for a band just to say you're done with that band is pretty funny.

I have a friend that signed up for an account like almost 3 weeks ago and haven't been activated by the mods.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2023, 01:45:10 PM
Making an account on a forum for a band just to say you're done with that band is pretty funny.

I have a friend that signed up for an account like almost 3 weeks ago and haven't been activated by the mods.

That's not even remotely true.  We have never been more than a couple of days behind on approving accounts.  He needs to check his email for the activation link.  Not to mention that that has nothing to do with this thread, and you could have sent a PM if you had anu questions or concerns.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on November 07, 2023, 01:59:02 PM
Making an account on a forum for a band just to say you're done with that band is pretty funny.

If it were a joke, maybe.  If serious, kind of weird but not out of the norm for "social media" (not entirely sure if a forum counts). It's always amazing to me how some people go out of their way to say something negative. 

I actually don't even feel too differently than sfen, just not as extreme.  I feel bad for MM as a human in these circumstances.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on November 07, 2023, 02:13:24 PM
I'm new to the forum.  I don't like firing Mangini just because Portnoy wanted back in.  He left DT high & dry when he quit years ago; he could very likely do it again.  Mangini to me has sounded better and his drums fit the soundscape better.  As for the other DT members, are you that callous?  Really had Mike's back, didn't you?  Sorry to say it, as I have enjoyed the DT music over the years, but I'm done with y'all. Buy your own tickets and music. 

Steve

I don't agree with anything you said, but that is the magic of human nature. Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 07, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
Making an account on a forum for a band just to say you're done with that band is pretty funny.

I have a friend that signed up for an account like almost 3 weeks ago and haven't been activated by the mods.

That's not even remotely true.  We have never been more than a couple of days behind on approving accounts.  He needs to check his email for the activation link.  Not to mention that that has nothing to do with this thread, and you could have sent a PM if you had anu questions or concerns.

He sent me a screenshot of his inbox and there I saw he signed up on October 16th, 2023. He has checked his email account multiple times and not approval of it yet.

I posted it here, just to follow the convo of what the other guy said about someone just creating a post here to say he is done with the band.

(https://i.imgur.com/5pP0Y1r.png)

Not remotely true? I guess not.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ariich on November 07, 2023, 02:36:59 PM
Making an account on a forum for a band just to say you're done with that band is pretty funny.

I have a friend that signed up for an account like almost 3 weeks ago and haven't been activated by the mods.

That's not even remotely true.  We have never been more than a couple of days behind on approving accounts.  He needs to check his email for the activation link.  Not to mention that that has nothing to do with this thread, and you could have sent a PM if you had anu questions or concerns.

He sent me a screenshot of his inbox and there I saw he signed up on October 16th, 2023. He has checked his email account multiple times and not approval of it yet.

I posted it here, just to follow the convo of what the other guy said about someone just creating a post here to say he is done with the band.

Not remotely true? I guess not.

No, it's not true. There are literally zero new registrations awaiting approval. There are 5 awaiting activation by the users.

Regardless, as bosk says this is not the appropriate thread. If something seems not to be working, you can PM us or post in the Forum Suggestions board.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on November 07, 2023, 02:48:44 PM
your friend should try checking his spam folder

i look forward to welcoming them to the forums! :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2023, 02:58:02 PM
First, as ariich and I have now BOTH said, there are no pending requests.  All have been responded to.  I can't say for sure when his was responded to, but we generally get to them within a day or two.  If he hasn't found the automated approval link email, he should check his spam folder, as HS said.  That isn't the mods failing to respond, as you keep insisting is the case.

Second, as ariich and I have BOTH said, this thread is not the place for it.  If you continue to take the thread off topic and continue to slander the mods here, you will be asked to leave.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 07, 2023, 03:01:46 PM
slander the mods? Where?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2023, 01:30:51 PM
There's an interesting parallel brewing in the Bon Jovi world.

Apparantyl Ritchie Sambora is ready to come back to Bon Jovi, which may mean Phil X is on his way out.  Ritchie left in 2013 to be with his family more.  Phil X came in and kept the ship afloat and was on I think at least one album.  BJ isn't quite as active as DT in terms of making music.  But I expect the fans are going to go wild if they let Phil go so Ritchie can come back.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on November 08, 2023, 02:29:50 PM
There's an interesting parallel brewing in the Bon Jovi world.

Apparantyl Ritchie Sambora is ready to come back to Bon Jovi, which may mean Phil X is on his way out.  Ritchie left in 2013 to be with his family more.  Phil X came in and kept the ship afloat and was on I think at least one album.  BJ isn't quite as active as DT in terms of making music.  But I expect the fans are going to go wild if they let Phil go so Ritchie can come back.

Jon has been quietly (?) setting the stage for that, I think. He's been on Howard a number of times talking about how he is the CEO of the corporation that is Bon Jovi and it's his job to keep it floating.  He's also said that he'd love to welcome Ritchie back in if it was on the right terms (not how I heard him say it, but close enough).   Honestly, I'm not nearly as close to the BJ situation as DT, but I think there's zero scenario of anyone saying "you know, we committed to Phil in 2013, so we're going to stand pat...".   MAYBE if it means Jon having to share control, but even then there are ways (look at Kiss).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2023, 02:36:13 PM
There's an interesting parallel brewing in the Bon Jovi world.

Apparantyl Ritchie Sambora is ready to come back to Bon Jovi, which may mean Phil X is on his way out.  Ritchie left in 2013 to be with his family more.  Phil X came in and kept the ship afloat and was on I think at least one album.  BJ isn't quite as active as DT in terms of making music.  But I expect the fans are going to go wild if they let Phil go so Ritchie can come back.

Jon has been quietly (?) setting the stage for that, I think. He's been on Howard a number of times talking about how he is the CEO of the corporation that is Bon Jovi and it's his job to keep it floating.  He's also said that he'd love to welcome Ritchie back in if it was on the right terms (not how I heard him say it, but close enough).   Honestly, I'm not nearly as close to the BJ situation as DT, but I think there's zero scenario of anyone saying "you know, we committed to Phil in 2013, so we're going to stand pat...".   MAYBE if it means Jon having to share control, but even then there are ways (look at Kiss).

I'm not close to it either, and I agree with you, but there's certainly going to be some people who feel he was "fired" or whatever.  It's not exactly the same, but similar situations of bands doing what bands often do when they get older and have line up changes.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2023, 03:15:08 PM
They could take a hint from Iron Maiden and keep both guitarists.

Also, for all the complaints James receives, Bon Jovi wishes he could still sing...... "as bad" (most fervent critics' opinion, not mine) as James!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 08, 2023, 05:49:45 PM
They could take a hint from Iron Maiden and keep both guitarists.

Also, for all the complaints James receives, Bon Jovi wishes he could still sing...... "as bad" (most fervent critics' opinion, not mine) as James!

Truth. He did start using tapes to use as leads too. When he sings it, not only does it sound terrible, but he has to stand very awkwardly to sing anywhere near the melody. And by near I mean within the... not even ballpark but....city limits?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2023, 08:46:02 AM
I havent seen Bon Jovi in maybe 6 years now, but I've heard he greatly declined after the pandemic.  Just another parellel to the DT situation, both bands have poor live vocals and both could use the splash of bringing back an original member.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 09, 2023, 09:11:06 AM
I don't think there is much similarity in the situations with DT and BJ.  Sambora didn't leave on any bad terms at all, he left due to some personal and family reasons.  Whoever his replacement was was never taking his place, and I would be shocked if anyone in that fanbase would be outraged by Sambora returning, under any circumstance.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2023, 09:18:33 AM
I don't think there is much similarity in the situations with DT and BJ.  Sambora didn't leave on any bad terms at all, he left due to some personal and family reasons.  Whoever his replacement was was never taking his place, and I would be shocked if anyone in that fanbase would be outraged by Sambora returning, under any circumstance.

I agree (other than the fact that it has been widely speculated that "personal and family reasons" is a euphemism for...other things; but even if true, that doesn't really change your overall point, which I again agree with). 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 09, 2023, 10:36:54 AM
I havent seen Bon Jovi in maybe 6 years now, but I've heard he greatly declined after the pandemic.  Just another parellel to the DT situation, both bands have poor live vocals and both could use the splash of bringing back an original member.

Really don't wanna debate JLB but JBJ is another level of poor performances. His voice is totally fried. It's bad.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2023, 11:14:53 AM
https://fb.watch/ocSGJMWe7E/?mibextid=qC1gEa

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

(It's a meme)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: KevShmev on November 09, 2023, 12:17:52 PM
I havent seen Bon Jovi in maybe 6 years now, but I've heard he greatly declined after the pandemic.  Just another parellel to the DT situation, both bands have poor live vocals and both could use the splash of bringing back an original member.

Really don't wanna debate JLB but JBJ is another level of poor performances. His voice is totally fried. It's bad.

Yep.  The live clips I saw from last year were beyond atrocious, and it is so bad that a work friend who is a DIEHARD Bon Jovi (Jon Bon Jovi is her lifelong celeb crush) said after seeing them last year that she would never pay to see them again.  Her comment on his singing was, "It was really bad."
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 10, 2023, 01:27:17 AM
I don't think there is much similarity in the situations with DT and BJ.  Sambora didn't leave on any bad terms at all, he left due to some personal and family reasons.  Whoever his replacement was was never taking his place, and I would be shocked if anyone in that fanbase would be outraged by Sambora returning, under any circumstance.

I agree (other than the fact that it has been widely speculated that "personal and family reasons" is a euphemism for...other things; but even if true, that doesn't really change your overall point, which I again agree with).
Also, the way he quit. Apparently he just went up and left in the middle of a tour with very little explanation, and they just assumed it would just be the rest of the tour, so they said he would not perform at the upcoming shows due to personal reasons.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: JiM-Xtreme on November 14, 2023, 01:10:52 PM
Watching the Drummer Auditions for the first time since it come out. I'd forgotten how much of himself he put into his audition... bursting with energy, enthusiasm with power... like a man possessed. It's simply amazing to watch.

I'm glad he got the gig. All the best to him.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dream Team on November 16, 2023, 07:39:51 AM
JBJ aging badly was very predictable. He was an extremely average talent even in his prime.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: WilliamMunny on November 16, 2023, 07:44:51 AM
JBJ aging badly was very predictable. He was an extremely average talent even in his prime.

Setting aside your swipe at his 'talent' (not that I disagree), the thing that confuses me about JBJ is that, for the most part, the songs are not super challenging vocally. Or, perhaps it's better to say that, there are multiple vocal parts in most of those hits, and JBJ typically had the 'easiest' melody.

From the clips I've seen, it's like he simply couldn't find the notes. If I didn't know better, I'd say he had lost his hearing, bc it (and I am not trying to be crass) kinda sounds like what it sounds like when someone who is deaf tries to sing.

For a man that has 37 people and all the tech in the world on stage with him (hyperbole), you'd think there'd be a solution, but simply not acknowledging it almost makes it worse.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dream Team on November 16, 2023, 08:37:28 AM
He doesn't have to worry about it, when you've crossed the border into that level of popularity the legions will eat it up no matter what. Taylor Swift is so popular that she could have a entire tour where she is struggling vocally and it just wouldn't matter. People are there to "see" her just as much if not more than to "hear" her.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 16, 2023, 09:15:30 AM
He doesn't have to worry about it, when you've crossed the border into that level of popularity the legions will eat it up no matter what. Taylor Swift is so popular that she could have a entire tour where she is struggling vocally and it just wouldn't matter. People are there to "see" her just as much if not more than to "hear" her.

This. If people want to hear a perfect performance, they can listen to the records at home for free. They go to shows for the energy of a live performance. It’s why DLR is one of the greatest frontmen of all time. It’s not his singing talents. It’s his ability to connect with a crowd and bring an energy to the stage that very few can.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: WilliamMunny on November 16, 2023, 09:16:59 AM
He doesn't have to worry about it, when you've crossed the border into that level of popularity the legions will eat it up no matter what. Taylor Swift is so popular that she could have a entire tour where she is struggling vocally and it just wouldn't matter. People are there to "see" her just as much if not more than to "hear" her.

This. If people want to hear a perfect performance, they can listen to the records at home for free. They go to shows for the energy of a live performance. It’s why DLR is one of the greatest frontmen of all time. It’s not his singing talents. It’s his ability to connect with a crowd and bring an energy to the stage that very few can.

I'm totally on board with you both...that said, the videos I've seen don't flatter JBJ physically or vocally. But I'm not here to tell anyone who to see in concert. The sold out arenas obviously speak for themselves.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2023, 01:11:20 PM
He doesn't have to worry about it, when you've crossed the border into that level of popularity the legions will eat it up no matter what. Taylor Swift is so popular that she could have a entire tour where she is struggling vocally and it just wouldn't matter. People are there to "see" her just as much if not more than to "hear" her.

This. If people want to hear a perfect performance, they can listen to the records at home for free. They go to shows for the energy of a live performance. It’s why DLR is one of the greatest frontmen of all time. It’s not his singing talents. It’s his ability to connect with a crowd and bring an energy to the stage that very few can.

I'm totally on board with you both...that said, the videos I've seen don't flatter JBJ physically or vocally. But I'm not here to tell anyone who to see in concert. The sold out arenas obviously speak for themselves.

I'm not fully on board with this.  I love James - he's a big reason why I like DT, and listen to almost zero other prog metal - and I do not at all think he was only "average" in his prime.   Also, James is not Taylor Swift.  I'm not there just to see him and be seen.  I know it's a rock concert, and I don't need note perfect, but I think it's only fair that he at least sing in pitch.  it doesn't have to be the note that was on the record - revise the melodies if you want, improvise if you want - but if you do go for a particular note, it's not unreasonable to ask that you hit it.

When I saw him this last go round, he was largely IN tune and I thought he sang well; there were a couple moments though where I was like "what song was he singing?!?".   For better or worse, he recovered and it was never for any extended period of time.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on November 16, 2023, 04:59:02 PM
They're talking about Bon Jovi, not James :P
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on November 17, 2023, 06:24:50 AM
They're talking about Bon Jovi, not James :P

I misunderstood.   Sorry.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on November 17, 2023, 06:48:24 AM
They're talking about Bon Jovi, not James :P

I misunderstood.   Sorry.

Is that why you feel abandoned even when the world surrounds you?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on November 17, 2023, 07:09:43 AM
They're talking about Bon Jovi, not James :P

I misunderstood.   Sorry.

Is that why you feel abandoned even when the world surrounds you?

It challenges the essence of my soul. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 18, 2023, 08:33:07 AM
They're talking about Bon Jovi, not James :P

I misunderstood.   Sorry.

Is that why you feel abandoned even when the world surrounds you?

It challenges the essence of my soul.

Does it leave you in a state of disconnection?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 18, 2023, 12:21:38 PM
Got my Mangini CD in the mail today! If you pre-ordered it, be on the look out!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: emtee on November 24, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
Really dislike the vocalist. Just seems...off, grating, not sure how to explain it. Bottom line, I don't like it.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Dedalus on November 24, 2023, 03:00:09 PM
It's a strange album to be the restart of a career. Maybe because it was just made as a solo album by the then Dream Theater drummer.

To begin with, it's a solo album by a drummer, something we don't see a lot of out there. So you could imagine that the songs were constructed to give all the prominence to the drums, right? Wrong. The drums complement the other instruments (as is indeed the role of the drums).
Perhaps because it was composed by a drummer, the album is too rhythmic, syncopated, groovy. It lacks more striking riffs. If we add this to the fact that the vocal melodies are often similar, this makes the album a little tiring.
Majura's vocals are an interesting point: on the one hand, the way she sings seems to contribute to the feeling of having heard this before on this album. On the other hand, there is a personality there, it doesn't seem generic.

There are good moments throughout the album, but it's not a fluid listen. But I like the way Mangini plays on the entire album.

The positive point of the endeavor is the fact that it is a very brave album for an artist linked to prog metal/prog whatever. It's not the type of music we would expect from someone linked to this universe. Let's agree that, with the right people, it's not difficult to record a generic prog album and please the public (e.g. Temic). Mike did the unexpected. And that could be bad in the current context.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on November 25, 2023, 07:16:53 AM
It's a strange album to be the restart of a career. Maybe because it was just made as a solo album by the then Dream Theater drummer.

To begin with, it's a solo album by a drummer, something we don't see a lot of out there. So you could imagine that the songs were constructed to give all the prominence to the drums, right? Wrong. The drums complement the other instruments (as is indeed the role of the drums).
Perhaps because it was composed by a drummer, the album is too rhythmic, syncopated, groovy. It lacks more striking riffs. If we add this to the fact that the vocal melodies are often similar, this makes the album a little tiring.
Majura's vocals are an interesting point: on the one hand, the way she sings seems to contribute to the feeling of having heard this before on this album. On the other hand, there is a personality there, it doesn't seem generic.

There are good moments throughout the album, but it's not a fluid listen. But I like the way Mangini plays on the entire album.

The positive point of the endeavor is the fact that it is a very brave album for an artist linked to prog metal/prog whatever. It's not the type of music we would expect from someone linked to this universe. Let's agree that, with the right people, it's not difficult to record a generic prog album and please the public (e.g. Temic). Mike did the unexpected. And that could be bad in the current context.

Bingo. I think it was in progress and the drummer changed occurred during construction.

The drumming is fantastic on the solo album. I don't love a lot of the melodies but I am enjoying it as a whole. Also happy to support an incredible musician who puts out quality work.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this comment: To begin with, it's a solo album by a drummer, something we don't see a lot of out there. So you could imagine that the songs were constructed to give all the prominence to the drums, right? Wrong. The drums complement the other instruments (as is indeed the role of the drums).

That is exactly what I observed too. You would think that with all MM's knowledge and technical prowess, a solo album would be full of 'look at me' self indulgence, but it is not. He clearly is thinking about the song as a whole in which the drums emphasize what the other instruments are doing. That is one of the reasons why I never understood the MM criticism that he was intruding on the other instruments in Dream Theater. I heard drum parts that were thoughtfully written to bring out what everyone else was playing. And indeed that is one of the roles of the drummer. It all made sense together. I am not a drummer but from knowing a few (and from taking music lessons for decades myself) I know that good teachers often ask you WHY you played what you played...and musical reason why is often tied to what the others in your band are doing at that moment.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: devieira73 on November 25, 2023, 08:11:12 AM
I really liked the album. Sure the vocals sounds a bit unusual, especially in the verses, but it helps to add personality to the album. The drum grooves are all really nice and, say what you want, I loved the drums going crazy, following the guitar in the solo sections of EVERY song (in fact, the way the guitar solos were composed, I think it was the other way round). Some will say that "it gets old fast", but you don't see it in almost any other album ever released, so, to compensate, it's really cool to have at least one album full of it!
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on November 25, 2023, 10:19:58 AM
It's a strange album to be the restart of a career. Maybe because it was just made as a solo album by the then Dream Theater drummer.

That's the thing. Mike wrote the album with the intent of doing something completely different to what he was doing (at the time) with DT, and that's what he said on interviews. The issue is that just when he was about to release it, he gets replaced in DT, and is now "stuck" with something that might not be his best work but it's always going to be the first thing he ever did after DT to the public.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 29, 2023, 03:46:45 AM
Here's an interview with Dino Jelusick where he talks about his involvement with Mike Mangini's solo album - he recommended oe of the guitar players and was going to sing on the album as well, but his litigation with Frontiers stopped him from doing so. It's at the 12 minute mark, and he also talks about having long calls with Jordan Rudess and about congratulating MP on his return to DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FgyuSvpadQ&t=1042s
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 02, 2024, 04:03:10 PM
Mangini's back to teaching:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/mike-manginis-drum-mastery-unveiled-exclusive-in-person-masterclass-series-for-drum-enthusiasts/
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on January 02, 2024, 06:29:40 PM
Mangini's back to teaching:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/mike-manginis-drum-mastery-unveiled-exclusive-in-person-masterclass-series-for-drum-enthusiasts/

Hopefully 13 years with DT has led to more demand for his teaching expertise. He seems like a great teacher and the reviews on ratemyprofessor appear to confirm that.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 11, 2024, 01:39:41 PM
Mangini's back to teaching:

https://lotsofmuzik.com/mike-manginis-drum-mastery-unveiled-exclusive-in-person-masterclass-series-for-drum-enthusiasts/

Hopefully 13 years with DT has led to more demand for his teaching expertise. He seems like a great teacher and the reviews on ratemyprofessor appear to confirm that.  :)
Dude, this is awesome (and hilarious)! It's so funny to see a former Dream Theater member on RMP.

As someone who graduated from college almost 12 years ago and has been taking college classes on and off since 2020, my opinion of Mangini genuinely improved when I saw that monster 4.8/5 rating. There are way too many terrible college professors who clearly don't care about their students (I've dealt with some recently). Basically every student review says that Mangini is awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 15, 2024, 04:46:26 PM
You know what's hilarious....


I just realized I got to see Mangini's final show with DT at the last date of the Dreamsonic tour. It's crazy though that when I first saw them on the tour for A View... I saw them at their first show since Covid in Phoenix, AZ. The last show I saw, which ended up being Mangini's last show with DT, was the last Dreamsonic date in Phoenix, AZ. Which is a great way for that entire tour to come full circle.

I am also glad I got to see the songs I did during these two tours. Getting to see The Ministry of Lost Souls, About to Crash and the Reprise, Solitary Shell, Losing Time, The Count of Tuscany, Answering The Call was a great treat for me as those are among my favorites I have always wanted to see live. Actually most of the non A View songs they played I was glad I got to finally see. I've seen Endless Sacrifice played on Gigantour but it was when I didn't really know much from the band, although I did know that song from watching Live at Budakon. Live at Budakon played a huge role in me getting into Dream Theater, so being able to see Endless Sacrifice was an awesome surprise since it was the first show and nobody had any idea what the Setlist was going to be. Mangini did an excellent job with that song and It was a fantastic hearing what Mangini would do with it, he did an awesome job and his fill after the solo's was neat.

Although I wish they would've continued on with him, It was great getting to be there and experience his final show with the band. And what better way to end his time than with The Spirit Carries On with the other bands on Dreamsonic playing with DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on January 29, 2024, 02:14:01 PM
maybe he can get a job with those other bands

maybe DT was setting him up with those other bands as auditions for them since they'd be parting ways soon

the above post is my own speculation with no evidence
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 29, 2024, 02:18:09 PM
My wish would be for Mike for Steve Vai to call him again, since he was Steve's greatest drummer (him and Vinnie Colaiuta). One can dream. I'm eternally grateful for his service to DT, he shouldn't have been let go. It's unlikely for me to be able to ever understand why that happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on January 29, 2024, 02:19:04 PM
MM and Steve Vai should make a Frank Zappa tribute group and tour
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 29, 2024, 02:20:35 PM
They actually did if I'm not mistaken (them and Mike Keneally), must have been around 1993/1994 (shortly after Frank died very untimely)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 29, 2024, 02:59:02 PM
It's unlikely for me to be able to ever understand why that happened.
While we may never know for certain, the two posts quoted in CrystalStars' post here may help (as they did for her, someone who became a DT fan during the MM-era and has had some difficulty accepting the fact that MM is gone now):
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=58684.msg3079597#msg3079597
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on January 29, 2024, 05:46:11 PM
My wish would be for Mike for Steve Vai to call him again, since he was Steve's greatest drummer (him and Vinnie Colaiuta). One can dream. I'm eternally grateful for his service to DT, he shouldn't have been let go. It's unlikely for me to be able to ever understand why that happened.

Agree 100% with what you said.

I am a huge Steve Vai fan and always loved the MM-era drums and live energy. That is how I first heard about him (this is my favorite MM drum solo, which is absolute lunacy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8XKgOuNtk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8XKgOuNtk)) though I never followed Mike's other work and never imagined he would be in DT one day.

I find Steve's current drummer a bit boring, though he's been there forever and I get why Steve likes him. I don't know what Mike and Steve's relationship is like now but for some reason I always got the sense they don't have much of one any longer.

As far as DT is concerned, replacing MM is a top 3 all time musical mistake in my DT book, but we'll see if I change my mind when DT16 and beyond come out.

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 30, 2024, 01:23:23 PM
Yeah that one is what I'd consider to be a classic solo.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on January 31, 2024, 08:11:28 AM
My wish would be for Mike for Steve Vai to call him again, since he was Steve's greatest drummer (him and Vinnie Colaiuta). One can dream. I'm eternally grateful for his service to DT, he shouldn't have been let go. It's unlikely for me to be able to ever understand why that happened.

I mean this with the utmost respect, but why do you have to understand it?  It's not you, it's not your decision, it's not your band, it's not your life.  There's a lot of things in this world I don't understand, but you can wrap yourself around the axle in trying to understand it. 

At some point we have to accept that other people have agency and free will and they are allowed to make the decisions they see fit.  That's all the understanding we need.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gborland on January 31, 2024, 08:50:01 AM
I mean this with the utmost respect, but why do you have to understand it?  It's not you, it's not your decision, it's not your band, it's not your life.  There's a lot of things in this world I don't understand, but you can wrap yourself around the axle in trying to understand it. 

At some point we have to accept that other people have agency and free will and they are allowed to make the decisions they see fit.  That's all the understanding we need.

Totally this. The band made the decision they felt was in the best interest of the band. There's nothing else to understand.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on January 31, 2024, 09:57:44 AM
I can't speak for Max, of course, but I imagine autism might play into the need to understand for some.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 31, 2024, 10:40:43 AM
I can't speak for Max, of course, but I imagine autism might play into the need to understand for some.
I agree. Once Max shared that detail, it helped me to better understand some of the things he posted as well as his decision to leave this forum at the time.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 31, 2024, 11:35:22 AM
Yes, I'm quite sure it does (not that I'd fully know but yes)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Adami on January 31, 2024, 01:19:57 PM
Not sure I did the math correctly, but I think Jordan Ruddess was in Dream Theater longer with MM than he was with MP. Is that right?
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 31, 2024, 01:21:42 PM
Not sure I did the math correctly, but I think Jordan Ruddess was in Dream Theater longer with MM than he was with MP. Is that right?
I believe that is right.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 31, 2024, 01:31:28 PM
Yes. MP era Jordan was 1999-2010 (11 years) and MM era Jordan was 2010-2023 (13 years), which made MM era DT their longest serving lineup in their history (which btw was another aspect of why I was dumbfounded by MP rejoining, but that's just an aside, not a slight on anyone)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on January 31, 2024, 02:31:17 PM
Yes it's going to take a couple years for the new/old lineup to catch up with the MM lineup in tenure.

Also, as a fun fact, Jordan has been in the band for almost the same time as MP already (around 25 years) but is in one more studio album than Mike.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 31, 2024, 02:50:50 PM
Yes. MP era Jordan was 1999-2010 (11 years) and MM era Jordan was 2010-2023 (13 years), which made MM era DT their longest serving lineup in their history (which btw was another aspect of why I was dumbfounded by MP rejoining, but that's just an aside, not a slight on anyone)
My speculation - and to be clear, this is purely speculation - is that MP rejoining the band was primarily a business decision. Not to say there weren't other factors, but if I had to pick the leader, I'd put my money there. The surge they're going to get in record sales, tour attendance, and just general relevancy will be significant, even if just for one cycle.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nikatapi on February 01, 2024, 01:26:03 AM
Yes. MP era Jordan was 1999-2010 (11 years) and MM era Jordan was 2010-2023 (13 years), which made MM era DT their longest serving lineup in their history (which btw was another aspect of why I was dumbfounded by MP rejoining, but that's just an aside, not a slight on anyone)
My speculation - and to be clear, this is purely speculation - is that MP rejoining the band was primarily a business decision. Not to say there weren't other factors, but if I had to pick the leader, I'd put my money there. The surge they're going to get in record sales, tour attendance, and just general relevancy will be significant, even if just for one cycle.

100 percent agree. And based on (some) feedback i've seen, the attendance on the last tours hasn't been so spectacular. So from a business (and age) perspective, it is a move that puts DT in another cycle of renewed interest, especially from older fans.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Sycsa on February 01, 2024, 05:30:51 AM
All the more reason they need to put out a real banger of an album. I still remember what a buzz SFAM created back in the day on various forums. I hope they'll take their time with it and really craft it into something special. I liked the last couple albums well enough, but I'm not much of a fan of the MP-style 'just go into the studio and bang the album out in a couple of weeks' approach.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 01, 2024, 05:32:25 AM
Neither am I (regardless of which band or artist btw) and this is one of the reasons I rarely ever go back to D/T. (nor any MP era album)
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on February 01, 2024, 06:39:19 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Sycsa on February 01, 2024, 06:48:10 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: ReaperKK on February 01, 2024, 07:00:21 AM
Yes. MP era Jordan was 1999-2010 (11 years) and MM era Jordan was 2010-2023 (13 years), which made MM era DT their longest serving lineup in their history (which btw was another aspect of why I was dumbfounded by MP rejoining, but that's just an aside, not a slight on anyone)

It's crazy how fast that time has gone by, at least to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Zydar on February 01, 2024, 07:09:16 AM
What's crazy (to me) is that I became a DT fan in 2007, and MP left in 2010. That's just three years of him being in the band while I was a fan. Still it seems way longer, while the MM years just kinda flew by.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on February 01, 2024, 07:15:30 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...

This is obviously perception and not necessarily fact, but IMO Mike took a quantity over quality approach when it came to albums, specially during his years outside of DT. He would give the impression that he thought the busier he got and the more simultaneous things he had to juggle, the better for him; and that's not always true.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Sycsa on February 01, 2024, 07:16:26 AM
What's crazy (to me) is that I became a DT fan in 2007, and MP left in 2010. That's just three years of him being in the band while I was a fan. Still it seems way longer, while the MM years just kinda flew by.
Yeah, well, my teens felt like a century, my twenties felt like a reasonable amount of time, my thirties feel like they barely started and I'm nearing the halfway point. I fully expect each decade to pass way faster than the one before. All I can hope for is to have a good time.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Sycsa on February 01, 2024, 07:22:05 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...

This is obviously perception and not necessarily fact, but IMO Mike took a quantity over quality approach when it came to albums, specially during his years outside of DT. He would give the impression that he thought the busier he got and the more simultaneous things he had to juggle, the better for him; and that's not always true.
It seems like such a waste and a misplaced effort. You spend weeks on writing the album, but proceed to devote months or even years of your life to tour that very same album. Yeah, one costs money, the other one makes money. But maybe that return on investment could be worth it, if you made a really special album. Although with the rock / metal market nowadays...
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on February 01, 2024, 07:35:13 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...

This is obviously perception and not necessarily fact, but IMO Mike took a quantity over quality approach when it came to albums, specially during his years outside of DT. He would give the impression that he thought the busier he got and the more simultaneous things he had to juggle, the better for him; and that's not always true.

And yet... there are probably at least three (Flying Colors, Innocence And Danger, The Grand Experiment) maybe more (Testimony 2, The Similitude/Great Adventure)  are better - to me, my opinion - than anything DT put out post-2010. 
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 01, 2024, 08:10:30 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...
This is obviously perception and not necessarily fact, but IMO Mike took a quantity over quality approach when it came to albums, specially during his years outside of DT. He would give the impression that he thought the busier he got and the more simultaneous things he had to juggle, the better for him; and that's not always true.
It seems like such a waste and a misplaced effort. You spend weeks on writing the album, but proceed to devote months or even years of your life to tour that very same album. Yeah, one costs money, the other one makes money. But maybe that return on investment could be worth it, if you made a really special album. Although with the rock / metal market nowadays...
While I won't disagree that the quantity over quality approach was generally how he handled things, don't forget that in general that's how MP is with things. He doesn't like to overthink things and prefers a much more spontaneous approach believing that by overthinking, more damage can be done than good. I agree that may be the case sometimes, but the opposite can also be true, too. I just hope that if he continues that mentality, that he'll help encourage the band to move past the whole "write only enough material for an album" mentality instead of following their muses to see what might develop if they keep on going.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 01, 2024, 11:41:45 AM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...

This is obviously perception and not necessarily fact, but IMO Mike took a quantity over quality approach when it came to albums, specially during his years outside of DT. He would give the impression that he thought the busier he got and the more simultaneous things he had to juggle, the better for him; and that's not always true.

And yet... there are probably at least three (Flying Colors, Innocence And Danger, The Grand Experiment) maybe more (Testimony 2, The Similitude/Great Adventure)  are better - to me, my opinion - than anything DT put out post-2010.
because they are easier to digest to you (more emotional, far less technical than MM era DT), in my case it's the very opposite that is easier to digest :D  Neither of which is inherently a bad thing by default.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on February 01, 2024, 12:18:32 PM
Not sure why MP alone gets so much heat for this.
As far as I'm concerned, it's because he was the most vocal about working like this as if it were something to be proud of. Not just with DT, but with Sons of Apollo, too, for example. One could tell...

This is obviously perception and not necessarily fact, but IMO Mike took a quantity over quality approach when it came to albums, specially during his years outside of DT. He would give the impression that he thought the busier he got and the more simultaneous things he had to juggle, the better for him; and that's not always true.

And yet... there are probably at least three (Flying Colors, Innocence And Danger, The Grand Experiment) maybe more (Testimony 2, The Similitude/Great Adventure)  are better - to me, my opinion - than anything DT put out post-2010.
because they are easier to digest to you (more emotional, far less technical than MM era DT), in my case it's the very opposite that is easier to digest :D  Neither of which is inherently a bad thing by default.

No, I get that; I'm just putting a data point out there that "banging out an album" has a bad rap around these parts. There's no guarantee that taking double the time means that this is album is twice as good.  I think there's a law of diminishing returns sometimes with studio time.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 01, 2024, 12:23:58 PM
I should rephrase then: Almost all the albums I love were meticulously crafted. I'm not saying it can't work otherwise, but I'm not into doing things quickly and I can't mention any album off the top of my head (that I love) that was done quickly.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 01, 2024, 12:46:37 PM
I'm just putting a data point out there that "banging out an album" has a bad rap around these parts.
It doesn't hurt to remember that both Awake and ToT were both written in about 3 weeks' time. While there might be some debate about the quality of ToT by a minority of fans, Awake is almost universally loved by the fan base.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Sycsa on February 01, 2024, 01:27:05 PM
I'm just putting a data point out there that "banging out an album" has a bad rap around these parts.
It doesn't hurt to remember that both Awake and ToT were both written in about 3 weeks' time. While there might be some debate about the quality of ToT by a minority of fans, Awake is almost universally loved by the fan base.
Yeah, it can be done and you can indeed catch lightning in a bottle, but typically, spending more time crafting the songs yields a better result. Of course it’s not as simple as twice the time - twice as good an album, more like twice the time - 10% better of an album. Sometimes, that extra 10% is worth going for.

That said, ToT was a sharp decline for me and marks the end of the golden age of DT. Although they put out their GOAT live album right after.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: devieira73 on March 06, 2024, 09:50:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: gzarruk on March 06, 2024, 10:22:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy

Without trying to start another pointless and endless debate, just wanted to say I'm going to miss that.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: devieira73 on March 06, 2024, 10:38:45 AM
Yes, I understand. I missed MP in DT, but I'm sure I also will miss MM in DT. Let's just be happy that it happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 06, 2024, 10:48:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy

Without trying to start another pointless and endless debate, just wanted to say I'm going to miss that.

Not me  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on March 06, 2024, 10:50:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy

Without trying to start another pointless and endless debate, just wanted to say I'm going to miss that.

One of the comments refers to MP as being "the Lars of prog". Really? :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Schurftkut on March 06, 2024, 12:20:56 PM
well, he doesn't practice and does sound a bit sloppy at times  :-\
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on March 06, 2024, 01:27:35 PM
Oh, come on.

Still, at least you have a choice over whether to listen to the new album.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 06, 2024, 01:30:56 PM
well, he doesn't practice and does sound a bit sloppy at times  :-\
I would say MP is to MM what Bonham is to Peart.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2024, 01:31:42 PM
well, he doesn't practice and does sound a bit sloppy at times  :-\

Been covered here many, many times--that's not really true at all.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on March 08, 2024, 07:34:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy

Without trying to start another pointless and endless debate, just wanted to say I'm going to miss that.

One of the comments refers to MP as being "the Lars of prog". Really? :lol

Yeah, that is way over the top in my book. I do not see those two as the same. I am not even saying Lars is a bad drummer. I think he gets a lot of unwarranted hate.

There are different styles out there. Some are more about vibe and energy and that's cool too. In the beginning, a lot of those MP drum parts were pretty inventive to me and I give him a lot of credit for that. When I found out about DT I was into a lot of the bigger metal acts like Pantera. I loved that stuff but when I heard I&W I thought it was a whole different level of creativity. I can't say that about Lars.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on March 08, 2024, 07:39:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy

Without trying to start another pointless and endless debate, just wanted to say I'm going to miss that.

Same. I have been listening to that song a lot lately and dig the cymbal work on the verse. Doesn't sound particularly complex to me although I will let the drummers chime in on that, but it interacts with the band perfectly. He is known for being a robotic technical drummer but his sense of orchestration is second to none in the metal world.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on March 09, 2024, 12:18:24 PM
Shows you where my head is at:  I took the "Lars" comment not as a dig against any playing ability, but how he's transcended a simple genre and has been a force to be reckoned with in the bands he's in, tackling other things like artwork, lyrics, setlists...

Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2024, 01:12:23 PM
Shows you where my head is at:  I took the "Lars" comment not as a dig against any playing ability, but how he's transcended a simple genre and has been a force to be reckoned with in the bands he's in, tackling other things like artwork, lyrics, setlists...

I'm as a big a Lars guy as anyone else, but no way does a comparison to him mean a compliment.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: nobloodyname on March 10, 2024, 03:34:52 AM
Yeah. I like Stad's interpretation but the likelihood of that being the OP's intention is... limited, I would say.
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 10, 2024, 08:59:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRyn9dMLVg
Drum perfection  :hefdaddy

Without trying to start another pointless and endless debate, just wanted to say I'm going to miss that.

Same. I have been listening to that song a lot lately and dig the cymbal work on the verse. Doesn't sound particularly complex to me although I will let the drummers chime in on that, but it interacts with the band perfectly. He is known for being a robotic technical drummer but his sense of orchestration is second to none in the metal world.
It is and I can tell you, that section of the piece doesn't seem hard to play, but it very much is, because of the coordination required, especially with the hihat parts (stepping the hihats and not stepping in sequence and perfect time amongst other things). The funny thing is, that section isn't even the hardest of the piece.  And of course the interplay with everyone is very musical (and precise).
Title: Re: The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)
Post by: Stadler on March 11, 2024, 09:49:03 AM
Yeah. I like Stad's interpretation but the likelihood of that being the OP's intention is... limited, I would say.

No doubt;  I don't think it was a compliment either.  It's the internet.