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Title: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Ħ on April 17, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
I've flip-flopped a thousand times on these two epics from FII.  I think LitS is more consistent throughout, but it does have some vocal problems, both with James and the other dude, but ToT's best parts are stronger. 

Which do you like better?
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: wasteland on April 17, 2011, 01:48:44 PM
They are close, sure, but I think that ToT is overall the best song between them. It somehow better delivers the feeling, the mood the song is built on... Moreover, the lyrical content of ToT is among the best of all time (speaking of DT).
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Aniland on April 17, 2011, 02:10:04 PM
Trial of Tears, because Lines in the Sand is the worst Dream Theater song in my opinion.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Trial of Tears, because Lines in the Sand is the worst Dream Theater song in my opinion.

I am not sure how one could come to such an opinion. May I ask what is so bad about it?
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Infinite Cactus on April 17, 2011, 02:18:06 PM
Lines in The Sand
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: jonny108 on April 17, 2011, 02:47:50 PM
Trial of Tears,  one of THE greatest DT songs ever  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Mladen on April 17, 2011, 02:48:32 PM
Trial of tears

Not even a contest.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Dr. DTVT on April 17, 2011, 02:56:48 PM
When I first got into DT (back when FII was the new album), I would have said Lines in the Sand, but now it's Trial of Tears and its not even close.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 17, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
Trial of Tears by a parsec.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: El Barto on April 17, 2011, 03:10:39 PM
When I first got into DT (back when FII was the new album), I would have said Lines in the Sand, but now it's Trial of Tears and its not even close.
I'm pretty much the exact opposite.  Hearing some damn fine live performances of LitS has really turned me around on it.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: tri.ad on April 17, 2011, 03:22:10 PM
Trial Of Tears for me.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Implode on April 17, 2011, 03:25:21 PM
Lines in the Sand is great, but Trial of Tears is amazing.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Jamesman42 on April 17, 2011, 03:27:11 PM
Man, I really don't know. LITS has some AWESOME musical bits, and is very, very solid. Trial of Tears as a song is just amazing, and has a great atmosphere.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Raoul Sanchez on April 17, 2011, 04:32:10 PM
Lines In The Sand is one of my all time favorite songs, so that.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: jsem on April 17, 2011, 04:33:08 PM
TOT
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: xShammas on April 17, 2011, 04:37:54 PM
Trial of Tears.

They both are amazing, but I feel that ToT builds the emotion better and finishes much stronger. It's a top 10 DT song for me, and LiTS is still top 20. Both amazing songs.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on April 17, 2011, 04:44:56 PM
Trial of Tears by a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG shot.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Frosthawk on April 17, 2011, 05:25:01 PM
For as long as it's raining on the streets of New York City, I gotta choose Trial of Tears.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: pogoowner on April 17, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
Lines in the Sand by a mile. The LaBrie/Pinnick combo is killer.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 17, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
Trial of Tears, because Lines in the Sand is the worst Dream Theater song in my opinion.

I am not sure how one could come to such an opinion. May I ask what is so bad about it?
I can answer that.  Nothing.

LITS, by a nipple.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: lonestar on April 17, 2011, 05:47:45 PM
LITS, by a nipple.

This, and it's not even on a chilly day.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: m0hawk on April 17, 2011, 06:32:45 PM
No matter how much I try, ToT hasn't "clicked" with me yet. LitS it is.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Jamariquay on April 17, 2011, 06:35:18 PM
Hell's Kitchen / Lines In The Sand > Trial Of Tears > Lines In The Sand

I think the moral of this story is that Falling Into Infinity has some damn good songs on it.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ricky on April 17, 2011, 06:36:52 PM
Hell's Kitchen / Lines In The Sand > Trial Of Tears > Lines In The Sand

I think the moral of this story is that Falling Into Infinity has some damn good songs on it.

wait wut?

im confused.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Ħ on April 17, 2011, 06:40:53 PM
Hell's Kitchen / Lines In The Sand > Trial Of Tears > Lines In The Sand

I think the moral of this story is that Falling Into Infinity has some damn good songs on it.

wait wut?

im confused.
He's saying that if you include Hell's Kitchen as an intro to LITS, then it's better than TOT, but if not, then it's worse.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ricky on April 17, 2011, 06:42:02 PM
um. im confused.

what does train of thought have to do with this thread?
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Ħ on April 17, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
LOL RICKY YOURE SO FUNNY
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: SnakeEyes on April 17, 2011, 06:44:07 PM
Lines in the Sand for me.  Trial of Tears has a good beginning, but goes nowhere pretty quickly.  I can't stand the, "open up, open up, not much better than the man you hate" part, the guitar solo is completely unnecessary and does nothing for the song, the quiet part after the guitar solo is too long and drags on and on..... and, "IT'S RAINING" is just annoying.  

Contrast that with:  awesome vocal melodies, an amazingly soulful, melodic, tasteful guitar solo, killer guitar/ keyboard chords and just a great, unique feel overall.  Plus, the lyrics in Lines in the Sand are way better and more meaningful than Trial of Tears.  

All in my opinion, of course.  
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ricky on April 17, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
LOL RICKY YOURE SO FUNNY

um,

am i missing something?

i'm not the smartest guy in the world, but i dont understand why you threw in train of thought out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2011, 06:46:47 PM
LOL RICKY YOURE SO FUNNY

um,

am i missing something?

i'm not the smartest guy in the world, but i dont understand why you threw in train of thought out of nowhere.

Might I politely ask you to stop spamming?
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Ħ on April 17, 2011, 06:47:53 PM
Not sure if serious....but if it'll stop you, TOT = Trial of Tears
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ricky on April 17, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
OH.

*embarrassed*

im just so used to seeing the acronym TOT stand for Train of Thought.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Rambeaux on April 17, 2011, 07:29:30 PM
Lines in the Sand. So hard.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Nefyn on April 17, 2011, 07:40:12 PM
Trial of Tears.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Global Laziness on April 17, 2011, 08:10:07 PM
Lines in the Sand is my 7th favourite Dream Theater song. Trial of Tears is my 17th favourite Dream Theater song.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ricky on April 17, 2011, 08:14:38 PM
so you like trial of tears better?
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Global Laziness on April 17, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: j on April 17, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
Damn, tough call.  Gotta go with Trial of Tears, but LITS is awesome too.  Both are probably top ten DT songs.

-J
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Xanthul on April 18, 2011, 05:01:01 AM
I voted too close, honestly it depends on the mood.

Voices and these two are almost the only thing I spin from DT nowadays, I'm in a disinterest phase right now :-[
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Lowdz on April 18, 2011, 11:13:39 AM
I bottled it and went for too close to call. Love them both and consider them both standouts on a very good album.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2011, 11:59:32 AM
Both solid, but I like Lines In The Sand better.

...but [LitS] does have some vocal problems, both with James and the other dude...

Wait...what?
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Cool Chris on April 18, 2011, 12:08:56 PM
Both solid, but I like Lines In The Sand better.

...but [LitS] does have some vocal problems, both with James and the other dude...

Wait...what?

I wouldn't call them 'problems' but the Kings X guy's backing vocals are kinda annoying in my book.

I like ToT miles more than LitS, and not just because of the vocals.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
I preferred "Lines in the Sand" by a little bit for the longest time, but over the past few years, I've grown to love "Trial of Tears" more.  Both are top 10 DT songs, either way. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: jdprsaga on April 18, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
To close to decide...

Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 18, 2011, 03:13:35 PM
Lines In The Sand, because of the epic bridge and the epic solo INSIDE of that epic bridge!
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ReaPsTA on April 18, 2011, 03:22:28 PM
I'm gonna go with Trial of Tears.  I'm just not a huge fan of LiTS after the stream of consciousness section unless I'm in the right mood.  Plus, once I found out the last vocal section before the final chorus was taken out of the studio version, I can't listen to it anymore without it feeling complete, and there's no live version that feels definitive.  The guitar solo's still extraordinary though.

ToT just engages me the whole way through.  I love trippy ambient stuff with an edge.  And the lyrics are cool.  More than anything, ToT's underrated when it comes to great moments.  Basically everything starting with the keyboard solo is one cool moment after another.  The electric guitar under the solo building, the explosive end of the solo, coming back into the clean guitar, the drum fill to bring in the band, the doubled vocals, the way they end, the big synth, the big chorus, the piano and acoustic guitar overdubs, and the cool little bass solo thing to take it out.  And really cool things happen before then too.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Dublagent66 on April 18, 2011, 03:52:03 PM
Trial of Tears by a neutrino.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ekuban on April 18, 2011, 05:55:27 PM
Lines is average with some awesome parts. Never has it been one of my favorite songs on FII. Trial is just , well, close to epic.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: glaurung on April 18, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
OH.

*embarrassed*

im just so used to seeing the acronym TOT stand for Train of Thought.

It stands for both.

Context is important.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: toro on April 19, 2011, 03:51:36 AM
Trial Of Tears.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Rina on April 20, 2011, 08:13:36 AM
Trial of Tears I guess.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 20, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
Trial of Tears.

Both sit in the 1&2 spots of my FII list. Amazing songs.  :hat
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Tomislav95 on April 20, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
Lines in the Sand.Trial of Tears is too quiet :P
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: Sigz on April 20, 2011, 09:20:06 AM
Trial of Tears easily.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: reo73 on April 20, 2011, 09:56:25 AM
Trial of Tears is my favorite Petrucci guitar solo and one of my all time fav DT songs.  Got to go with ToT, though LitS is damn good as well.
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: ShadowWalker on April 20, 2011, 02:23:45 PM
Trial of Tears is my favorite song on the album and one of my favorite DT songs overall. No hesitation in my choice...
Title: Re: Lines in the Sand vs. Trial of Tears
Post by: zxlkho on April 20, 2011, 03:30:16 PM
Definitely Lines in the Sand... dat solo