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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: webpoet73 on April 14, 2011, 07:01:51 AM
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Source (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/should-i-heart-boobies-bracelets-be-in-the-classroom/article1983373/)
According to a Philadelphia court, not really.
It ruled Tuesday that tweens and teens can, indeed, wear breast-cancer awareness paraphernalia that proclaims that they love "boobies."
Brianna Hawk, 13, and Kayla Martinez, 12, got into trouble after wearing "I (heart) boobies" bracelets last fall. School officials banned them, saying that the slogan was "a lewd double entendre," according to Philly.com. Now, the order prohibits the district from "suspending, threatening to suspend, or otherwise punishing or disciplining the plaintiffs from wearing the bracelets," the site reports.
"The bracelets are intended to be and they can reasonably be viewed as speech designed to raise awareness of breast cancer and to reduce the stigma associated with openly discussing breast health," U.S. District Judge Mary A. McLaughlin wrote in a 40-page memorandum, reports the site.
The bracelets were part of a cheeky breast-cancer campaign by a group called The Keep A Breast Foundation.
In Canada, a similar trend is underway, with the Booby Ball and a Sudbury charity that has also been using the I Heart Boobies slogan, selling casts of women's chests.
The groups have a number of vocal critics who say these campaigns' sexy bents are insulting and, furthermore, that a common theme in many of them - the promotion of breast self-exams - is misplaced. The tension between the sexy breast talk and the very real worry of mastectomy is another issue that gets raised.
Cinderella Ate My Daughter author Peggy Orenstein is one of them. She'd had breast cancer and is a keen observer of the wave of pink products and campaigns that purport to help the cause. She recently lambasted the Keep a Breast folks as well as a campaign called Feel Your Boobies.
Back in Philadelphia, the district's attorney, John E. Freund III, said he was disappointed by the ruling but had yet to confer with the school board about a possible appeal, reports Philly.com.
"It is inconceivable that the court did not recognize that the bracelets were meant to titillate," Mr. Freund said, noting that a porn actress had sought to associate herself with the bracelets and that truck stops were interested in selling them, according to the Philly.com article.
So, which is it? Is lightheartedly focusing on breasts themselves a good move for breast cancer charities? Or does it undermine the cause?
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webpoet73 says: I love boobies… what's so wrong with that? Then again, I am 37...
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What does it matter either way
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Too funny.
I bust a gut laughing over their decision.
Im gonna have to rack my brain to try and 'pun' this one.
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Too funny.
I bust a gut laughing over their decision.
Im gonna have to rack my brain to try and 'pun' this one.
You don't have to look far. ;)
As for the article, while I'm glad the court came to the right decision, I :facepalm: for America that they even had to bring something like this to court in the first place.
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No single word or thing associated with the term "boobies" is in any way, shape or form bad.
I'm sure Cozmo will back me up on this.
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:biggrin: It's the best word.
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(https://www.dreamnebula.com/in-the-cup/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/blue-footed-boobie-galapagos-big1.jpg)
Okay but seriously, one of the supporters of this issue wrote a book called "Cinderalla Ate My Daughter"?
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As for the article, while I'm glad the court came to the right decision, I :facepalm: for America that they even had to bring something like this to court in the first place.
While I will join in your facepalming for the sorry state of our country, I think that the court technically came to the wrong decision. Kids at school have only a limited right to free speech, and I suspect that a superior court would uphold the schools right to ban them. Whether or not it said boobies, breasts or big fucking tits is inconsequential.
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As for the article, while I'm glad the court came to the right decision, I :facepalm: for America that they even had to bring something like this to court in the first place.
While I will join in your facepalming for the sorry state of our country, I think that the court technically came to the wrong decision. Kids at school have only a limited right to free speech, and I suspect that a superior court would uphold the schools right to ban them. Whether or not it said boobies, breasts or big fucking tits is inconsequential.
But why? I have a vivid memory of the relief I felt going to my super-liberal private high school in my junior and senior year because of how oppressive I considered such speech rules in elementary, middle and early high school. I mean obviously you'd get into trouble for staying stuff that suggested danger to others and yourself, but what/who does talking about boobs harm?
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As for the article, while I'm glad the court came to the right decision, I :facepalm: for America that they even had to bring something like this to court in the first place.
While I will join in your facepalming for the sorry state of our country, I think that the court technically came to the wrong decision. Kids at school have only a limited right to free speech, and I suspect that a superior court would uphold the schools right to ban them. Whether or not it said boobies, breasts or big fucking tits is inconsequential.
But why? I have a vivid memory of the relief I felt going to my super-liberal private high school in my junior and senior year because of how oppressive I considered such speech rules in elementary, middle and early high school. I mean obviously you'd get into trouble for staying stuff that suggested danger to others and yourself, but what/who does talking about boobs harm?
It's up to the administrators to determine how to best create a non-disruptive environment. If they consider something to be disruptive, they have every right to prohibit it.
Kids in school really get the short end of it insofar as the Constitution goes. You pretty much check your citizenship at the door.
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They could've gone for a much less obvious approach and used pink wristbands that say "I :heart the Pointer Sisters".
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I kinda agree with both of you.
Common sense wise, wearing a tongue in cheek slogan on a bracelet that supports a good cause is fine.
it would be different though, if they were wearing shirts to school that said "I FUCKING LOVE TITS". Even if it's still for supporting breast cancer, i think a line needs to me drawn somewhere.
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If I had a shirt that said that, you can bet I'd wear it.
But then again, I'm not a kid going to school.
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yeah.
and not even like high school aged ones.
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It's up to the administrators to determine how to best create a non-disruptive environment. If they consider something to be disruptive, they have every right to prohibit it.
I completely agree with this. This is the same logic that prohibits certain hair and clothing styles. The idea is not specifically to squash freedom of choice and expression, but to eliminate distractions and allow students to focus on what they're there for: school.
Kids in school really get the short end of it insofar as the Constitution goes. You pretty much check your citizenship at the door.
Can't agree with this. The Constitution defines a number of rights for citizens, but the overriding intent is to ensure that all rights are respected. It was also written during a time when minors were (unofficially) not "real" citizens. Not the way adults are, anyway. Minors should not expect to have the same rights that adults have, so freedom of speech and the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness don't apply to schoolkids.
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It's up to the administrators to determine how to best create a non-disruptive environment. If they consider something to be disruptive, they have every right to prohibit it.
I completely agree with this. This is the same logic that prohibits certain hair and clothing styles. The idea is not specifically to squash freedom of choice and expression, but to eliminate distractions and allow students to focus on what they're there for: school.
No, they're pretty much quashing choice and expression. But hey, whatever. Doesn't affect me any more.
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It's up to the administrators to determine how to best create a non-disruptive environment. If they consider something to be disruptive, they have every right to prohibit it.
I completely agree with this. This is the same logic that prohibits certain hair and clothing styles. The idea is not specifically to squash freedom of choice and expression, but to eliminate distractions and allow students to focus on what they're there for: school.
No, they're pretty much quashing choice and expression. But hey, whatever. Doesn't affect me any more.
Yeah, but I wouldn't wish that on any of my future children, hence my desire to send them to a similarly super-liberal school.
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It's up to the administrators to determine how to best create a non-disruptive environment. If they consider something to be disruptive, they have every right to prohibit it.
I completely agree with this. This is the same logic that prohibits certain hair and clothing styles. The idea is not specifically to squash freedom of choice and expression, but to eliminate distractions and allow students to focus on what they're there for: school.
No, they're pretty much quashing choice and expression. But hey, whatever. Doesn't affect me any more.
Yes they are. My point is that that is not the intent, it is merely a consequence. Kids bitch all the time about how school is trying to take away their rights. They're full of shit. They're not trying to take away anyone's rights; they're just trying to run a school. If you feel like your rights are getting stomped on because you can't wear your hair in a three-foot mohawk, that's just too bad. Your "rights" end where they interfere with someone else's. Oddly enough, the same is true for adults.
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That intent is where we differ. I'd be more inclined to say that "they're just trying to run the school" is more of an excuse than a motivation. Schools in this country don't encourage free thought because that's not what's wanted or expected from the masses. The education system here is designed to produce people who won't cause trouble and won't ask too many questions. In other words, good citizens.
Skinner: Oh oh. Two independent thought alarms in one day. The
students are overstimulated. Willie! Remove all the colored
chalk from the classrooms.
Willie: I warned ya! Didn't I warn ya?! That colored chalk was forged
by Lucifer himself!
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I understand the need for free speech in schools, but I also understand the school's need to create the least disruptive environment possible.
What I don't understand is how the district attorney said: "It is inconceivable that the court did not recognize that the bracelets were meant to titillate," Mr. Freund said, noting that a porn actress had sought to associate herself with the bracelets and that truck stops were interested in selling them, according to the Philly.com article.
That's where I have to :facepalm:
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What the Hell happened to this thread?! Back to talking about boobs, all of you!
Especially you fogeys. I'm especially disappointed in you guys.
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Good thing that Coz fulfilled his duties properly then, huh?
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Well, I DO have a shirt that has a big smiley face on it and says "Boobies make me happy!" I wear it when we do wet t-shirt contest at gigs.
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If it is then you're gonna get banned. Do you feel lucky?
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What the Hell happened to this thread?! Back to talking about boobs, all of you!
Especially you fogeys. I'm especially disappointed in you guys.
What? I actually posted a picture of boobies. Okay, one booby. But still.
Also, shit, El Barto, you're fucking cynic, aren't you? You have no reason to think what you do, but you do anyway because it's the simplest and worst possible explanation. Way to go!
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LHK I'm with you. I'm hear just to say boobs, they make me smile.
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Yay for boobies!
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OK... problem is we had 12 year old boys wearing them for picture day today... that is kind of missing the point. They probably don't even know they were for breast cancer awareness.
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Also, shit, El Barto, you're fucking cynic, aren't you? You have no reason to think what you do, but you do anyway because it's the simplest and worst possible explanation. Way to go!
Holy shit. I think you're the first person here to ever suggest that I'm shallow and/or simple minded. Way to go!
Yeah, I'm a pretty cynical guy, but suggesting that our education system seeks to promote conformity instead of free thought is hardly a groundbreaking act of radicalism. Frankly, I'd consider it a half-way main stream POV, possessed by that rather large group of us who learned to actually think for ourselves (despite public schooling), rather than adopting the good little American persona we were supposed to. For some reason, I thought that group included you as well. Must have been the fu manchu.
And for the record, none of my beliefs are simple. I'd be happy to go into a more complex explanation of the matter, but I'm intruding on DTF's daily discussion of how great tits are, and honestly, I don't think either of us would find it particularly rewarding.
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Also, shit, El Barto, you're fucking cynic, aren't you? You have no reason to think what you do, but you do anyway because it's the simplest and worst possible explanation. Way to go!
Holy shit. I think you're the first person here to ever suggest that I'm shallow and/or simple minded. Way to go!
Yeah, I'm a pretty cynical guy, but suggesting that our education system seeks to promote conformity instead of free thought is hardly a groundbreaking act of radicalism. Frankly, I'd consider it a half-way main stream POV, possessed by that rather large group of us who learned to actually think for ourselves (despite public schooling), rather than adopting the good little American persona we were supposed to. For some reason, I thought that group included you as well. Must have been the fu manchu.
And for the record, none of my beliefs are simple. I'd be happy to go into a more complex explanation of the matter, but I'm intruding on DTF's daily discussion of how great tits are, and honestly, I don't think either of us would find it particularly rewarding.
Which is why I'm very glad that I only had to have two years of my education not be in a private institution.
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El Barto, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. I'm a product of the public school system, and was also an employee for years. As far as I can tell, the goal has always been the same: to educate students and prepare them for the world.
I was in the lunch room today, and this pretty lady in a nice pink top cut in front of me at the condiments line. I let her because when she leaned over to grab the relish packs (which are on the bottom shelf), her top dropped open and I got to see her boobies. C cup, held their shape very nicely against the force of gravity, cute little pink nipples.
Still, I've never seen any evidence that "The education system here is designed to produce people who won't cause trouble and won't ask too many questions." My school had some great arts and music programs, and even though I loved English and composition, I hated reading the text and writing the papers, so I generally used them as "creative writing" opportunities, and my teacher loved them so much that he couldn't resist giving me passing grades. All of these things promote creative expression and free thought, and I still maintain that you'd be hard-pressed to find evidence that the goal is to actually stifle creativity.
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In no way, shape, or form do public schools promote free thinking.
In other news, bewbs.
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In no way, shape, or form do public schools promote free thinking.
In other news, bewbs.
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You guys fail so hard. Just because you had shitty teachers doesn't mean that all public schools suck and seek to stifle creativity.
Also, the girl in the cubicle kitty-corner from me got moved upstairs, which sucks. She is pretty and has nice boobs.
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You guys fail so hard. Just because you had shitty teachers doesn't mean that all public schools suck and seek to stifle creativity.
Also, the girl in the cubicle kitty-corner from me got moved upstairs, which sucks. She is pretty and has nice boobs.
In my case, it wasn't just a shitty teacher but a crap bag of an administration and school body. I cannot say a single positive thing about my two years in public school, except now at least I know why my parents were so reluctant to send me.
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My school was pretty awesome and didn't seek to stifle students.
Also:
Also, the girl in the cubicle kitty-corner from me got moved upstairs, which sucks. She is pretty and has nice boobs.
I love it when you post. :lol
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Well, it's a boobies thread and I didn't want to completely derail it with serious discussion, so I compromised.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O8rWViCixQ
NSFW, but kosher for the forum :)
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That woman's a hideous beast. I like tits as much as everybody else, but something that troubles me is the all-prevalent notion that big tits are not only always great, but great enough to make up for any other shortcoming, including something like the disfigurement that woman has suffered. Some big tits are nice. Some are pretty nasty. None can turn a beast into anything other than ogre with a giant rack.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtgqsa06p_w&feature=related
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Boobs.
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I believe that the first thing parents should teach their children is that boobs are awful, awful, sinful things that should never be spoken of, seen, touched, or thought of until you're old enough to realize that your parents are full of shit.
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I believe that the first thing parents should teach their children is that boobs are awful, awful, sinful things that should never be spoken of, seen, touched, or thought of until you're old enough to realize that your parents are full of shit.
Well if there old and saggy they're evil.
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I do allow for that in the plan