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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: PlaysLikeMyung on March 14, 2011, 10:20:32 PM
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Time once again for a new Opeth thread
RORORORORORORO
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FIRST
HA I BEAT YOU GLAURUNG I SEE YOU VIEWING THIS THREAD
So, Opeth. They're pretty cool. Ghost Reveries is their best album, Orchid is a miserable sack of shit, yadda yadda
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Gadough doesn't count.
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I hear the baying of the hounds in the distance...
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FIRST
HA I BEAT YOU GLAURUNG I SEE YOU VIEWING THIS THREAD
So, Opeth. They're pretty cool. Ghost Reveries is their best album, Orchid is a miserable sack of shit, yadda yadda
I was trying to think of a better first post than "lolmorningrise" but I took too long. :lol
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FIRST
HA I BEAT YOU GLAURUNG I SEE YOU VIEWING THIS THREAD
So, Opeth. They're pretty cool. Ghost Reveries is their best album, Orchid is a miserable sack of shit, yadda yadda
I was trying to think of a better first post than "lolmorningrise" but I took too long. :lol
:rollin
That would have been acceptable.
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first page
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Watershed is best
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The Leper Affinity's outro makes me an erect man.
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Morningrise is a great album.
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First page!
Ghost Reveries is the best them.
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The above two posts are 100% correct.
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Man, seeing the first post in this thread is bashing Orchird, I say this thread is bound to get nowhere.
NU ALBUM pl0x
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Orchid and Morningrise are both great albums.
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Man, seeing the first post in this thread is bashing Orchird, I say this thread is bound to get nowhere.
NU ALBUM pl0x
Dude where the hell have you been lately?
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I'm looking forward to some progressive death fusion on the new album.
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I hadn't listened to Opeth for a while until I popped in the RAH DVD this Saturday. Such a great performance.
:metal :metal
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Both Orchid and Morningrise are fantastic.
Haters gonna hate.
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Heir apparent ruined my colon.
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Ghost Reveries is by far their best album.
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If agree with you if Still Life and Blackwater Park weren't much better.
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Oh hey first page.
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My Arms, Your Hearse, Blackwater Park, and Watershed are the best. Morningrise sucks.
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Man, seeing the first post in this thread is bashing Orchird, I say this thread is bound to get nowhere.
NU ALBUM pl0x
Dude where the hell have you been lately?
Been busy listening to Orchid.
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Ghost Reveries is by far their best album.
Agreed, but not by far.
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If agree with you if Still Life and Blackwater Park weren't much better.
This. Listening to Still Life now. Definitely my favorite from Opeth and probably top 3 album for me.
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Dissing Orchid and Morningrise feels soooo 2010. :biggrin:
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Still Life is their best
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I'm looking forward to some progressive death fusion on the new album.
Also fisting on post rage
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These:
Both Orchid and Morningrise are fantastic.
Haters gonna hate.
Ghost Reveries is by far their best album.
Agreed, but not by far.
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Both Orchid and Morningrise are fantastic.
Haters gonna hate.
THANK YOU
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"Godhead's Lament" and "The Funeral Portait" are their best songs. And Watershed is a very good album.
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I have no idea since when Ghost Reveries got such love in this forum. Probably ever since Gadough. This is bad. Because Still Life is the only best Opeth album.
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The Funeral Portrait never gets talked about, but its :metal as all fuck.
And Ghost Reveries is all right. Good songs and forgettable songs, but even though those good songs are amazing, the mediocre ones bring down the whole album.
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:metal LIQUID IS IN YOUR THROOAAT, FOR HOPELESS DELIIIIIGHT :metal
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DEVIL CRACKED THE EARTHLY SHELL, FORETOLD SHE WAS THE ONE
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Well would you look at that? It's album rankings!
Still Life
Blackwater Park
Watershed
Ghost Reveries
Deliverance
My Arms, Your Hearse
Damnation
Orchid
lolmorningrise
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Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
That's all I have. :lol
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Blackwater Park/My Arms, Your Hearse/Watershed
Damnation
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Deliverance
Orchid
Morningrise
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Ghost Reveries
Deliverance
Still Life
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Orchid
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
Watershed
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Damnation
Blackwater Park
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
My Arms, Your Hearse
Watershed
Orchid
Damnation
Deliverence
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OOH OOH MY TURN
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Damnation
Blackwater Park
Watershed
My Arms, Your Hearse
Deliverance
Morningrise (lol)
Orchid (lol)
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Eh, Orchid and Morningrise get too much hate on this forum. They're better albums than you all give them credit for.
Morningrise was my favorite Opeth album for a long time.
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
My Arms, Your Hearse
Ghost Reveries
Watershed
Morningrise
Damnation
Orchid
Deliverance
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Yeah the hate for Orchid and Morningrise is absurd, they aren't bad.
The only difference as I see it is that the production sounds older (crappier to some), but at least it isn't shit like the sound on BWP.
And let's not forget that Orchid and Morningrise combined has a lot of fantastic songs, some of them would rank very high if I tried to make a topX-Opeth list.
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1. Still Life
2. Blackwater Park
3. Watershed
4. My Arms, Your Hearse
5. Ghost Reveries
6. Damnation
7. Deliverance
8. Morningrise
9. Orchid
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Why is Damnation so low in some peoples ranking...Failing.
Ghost Reveries
DAMNATION
Blackwater Park
Watershed
Still Life
My Arms Your Hearse
Deliverance
Morningrise
Orchid
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1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. Watershed
4. Damnation
5. Still Life
6. Deliverance
7. Orchid
8. My Arms, Your Hearse
9. Morningrise
:hat
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Why is Damnation so low in some peoples ranking...Failing.
Ghost Reveries
DAMNATION
Blackwater Park
Watershed
Still Life
My Arms Your Hearse
Deliverance
Morningrise
Orchid
I LOVE Damnation, but Opeth has put out so much great material it still falls to 6th in my ranking. Everything above it is just much more diverse. I have to be in a certain mindset for Damnation, as amazing as it is.
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I kinda feel the same.
Damnation is superb and enjoyable all the way through, but it lacks diversity compared to the other albums.
I also feel like Damnation has some songs, Closure being a great example - which sounds 20 times better live, in the case with Closure I feel like the climax is one of the best things, and on album it doesn't sound nearly as good.
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The thing with Opeth is that none of their albums are at all bad, some are just less good than others.
Damnation is a fantastic album btw but I concur with a few others in saying that it's just not varied enough to rank above other Opeth records in my list.
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1. Blackwater Park
2. Ghost Reveries
3. Watershed
4. Still Life
5. Damnation
6. My Arms, Your Hearse
7. Deliverance
8. Morningrise
9. Orchid
Love the top five, like the next two, couldn't give a crap about the bottom two.
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Orchid is actually pretty good despite the bad production, but the other albums blow it away in quality except for Deliverance & Morningrise. Morningrise has good songs like Advent (RAH version anyway), Night and the Silent Water, and To Bid You Farewell, but the others...nah. Normally that would be okay, but those two songs are half the album!
Now Zantera, I asked this in the last thread (which I guess has been deleted), and I have to ask again: what the hell is the matter with BWP's sound? There's nothing wrong with it!
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Now Zantera, I asked this in the last thread (which I guess has been deleted), and I have to ask again: what the hell is the matter with BWP's sound? There's nothing wrong with it!
This. The acoustic guitar tone alone is the best I've ever heard!
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Yeah. I love the BWP production. ???
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it's fine (even understandable) to prefer the production of other records to BWP, but anyone who says BWP has shit production is just an idiot. i will pick BWP every time, though.
the worst (on the Opeth forum, actually) is when people say the production of MAYH is as bad/worse than Morningrise and Orchid, which is just the most ass-backward, deaf thing i've ever seen people say.
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1. Ghost Reveries
2. Watershed
3. Blackwater Park
4. Still Life
5. Deliverance
6. Damnation
7. Orchid
8. My Arms, Your Hearse
9. Morningrise
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Godlike:
Blackwater Park
Still Life
Watershed
Great:
Ghost Reveries
Damnation
Deliverance
My Arms, Your Hearse
Goofy:
Morningrise
Orchid
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MAYH's sound is perfect. Raw like Orchid/Morningrise, but not terribly so, the heavy parts are all accentuated better than any other Opeth album, and the soft bits are haunting and ghostlike. :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
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MAYH's sound is perfect. Raw like Orchid/Morningrise, but not terribly so, the heavy parts are all accentuated better than any other Opeth album, and the soft bits are haunting and ghostlike. :heart :heart :heart :heart :heart
This is true.
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I was about to be like "fuck that, I'm not ranking the albums AGAIN, we've done that like 20 times already", but then I remembered this is a new thread, so it's ok.
1. Ghost Reveries (best album ever)
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2. Deliverance
3. Blackwater Park
4. Still Life
5. Morningrise
6. My Arms, Your Hearse
7. Damnation
8. Watershed
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9. That other album they did with the flower on it
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Woah, this is starting to look exactly like the previous thread.
1. Still Life
2. My Arms Your Hearse
3. Blackwater Park
4. Ghost Reveries
5. Orchid
Those are the only albums that matter right?
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Watershed is best
Wow I actually agree with you on something....
(ominous piano)
THE LIGHT COMES ON
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Woah, this is starting to look exactly like the previous thread.
1. Still Life
2. My Arms Your Hearse
3. Blackwater Park
4. Ghost Reveries
5. Orchid
Those are the only albums that matter right?
You seem to be missing Damnation
That album matters a lot
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So does Watershed.
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So does Watershed.
So does every Opeth album.
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I have no idea since when Ghost Reveries got such love in this forum. Probably ever since Gadough. This is bad. Because Still Life is the only best Opeth album.
Ghost Reveries is the greatest thing ever made by humanity. It could whip sliced bread's ass. That's why it gets so much love.
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Watershed is best
Wow I actually agree with you on something....
who are you
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I have no idea since when Ghost Reveries got such love in this forum. Probably ever since Gadough. This is bad. Because Still Life is the only best Opeth album.
Ghost Reveries is the greatest thing ever made by humanity. It could whip sliced bread's ass. That's why it gets so much love.
Ah, of course. Still Life is made by divinity, so it doesn't count I guess.
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Watershed is best
Wow I actually agree with you on something....
who are you
I lol'd.
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Rankings again? Alright then... Mine has changed a bit since the last time:
Ghost Reveries
Watershed
My Arms, Your Hearse
Still Life
Orchid
Morningrise
Blackwater Park
Damnation
Deliverance
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I don't like the way the name stands out against the design, it looks really weird.
/picky bitch
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orchid and morning rise might get too much hate on this forum (kind of a depressing album, but i don't mind morning rise at all. in fact, i was in love with it a decade ago). but the real question is, why doesn't MA,YH get enough hate?
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Because MAYH is fucking amazing and anyone who disagrees can drown in boiling lava lamp liquid.
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Just listened to Bleak again for the first time in ages. Still their best song by miles IMO.
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Because MAYH is fucking amazing and anyone who disagrees can drown in boiling lava lamp liquid.
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evil.
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Personally it feels a bit like the Opeth-"fans" on this forum spends more time bashing their music then praising it.
Even though I haven't listened to the band that hardcore the last year, this is still one of the first bands I could think of, where every album and song really holds a high quality.
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it seems like any band that releases an album sans bass player in which a guitarist in the band takes over bass duties in studio...i don't know, all such albums turn out far worse than previous efforts. it's like a guy's so concerned with double duty, he forgets bout making sure the song writing's "on".
pain of salvation is the exception. searching my brain for other notable exceptions. might take a while.
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Personally it feels a bit like the Opeth-"fans" on this forum spends more time bashing their music then praising it.
dream theater gets it quite a bit too, no?
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Personally it feels a bit like the Opeth-"fans" on this forum spends more time bashing their music then praising it.
Even though I haven't listened to the band that hardcore the last year, this is still one of the first bands I could think of, where every album and song really holds a high quality.
Well it's not very interesting if we all just say, "Wow, Opeth's awesome! Yeah, they're awesome! I like this song! Yeah, me too!" It's the disagreements that get the discussion going.
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Personally it feels a bit like the Opeth-"fans" on this forum spends more time bashing their music then praising it.
Even though I haven't listened to the band that hardcore the last year, this is still one of the first bands I could think of, where every album and song really holds a high quality.
Well it's not very interesting if we all just say, "Wow, Opeth's awesome! Yeah, they're awesome! I like this song! Yeah, me too!" It's the disagreements that get the discussion going.
And yet the PT thread is massive.
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but everyone disagrees and the level of awesomeness that is the incident, no?
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Personally it feels a bit like the Opeth-"fans" on this forum spends more time bashing their music then praising it.
Even though I haven't listened to the band that hardcore the last year, this is still one of the first bands I could think of, where every album and song really holds a high quality.
Well it's not very interesting if we all just say, "Wow, Opeth's awesome! Yeah, they're awesome! I like this song! Yeah, me too!" It's the disagreements that get the discussion going.
And yet the PT thread is massive.
And boring. :p
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Personally it feels a bit like the Opeth-"fans" on this forum spends more time bashing their music then praising it.
Uh, welcome to fans of all bands everywhere ever. :lol
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it seems like any band that releases an album sans bass player in which a guitarist in the band takes over bass duties in studio...i don't know, all such albums turn out far worse than previous efforts. it's like a guy's so concerned with double duty, he forgets bout making sure the song writing's "on".
Martin Lopez was in the band at the time of MAYH, but he didn't have enough time to learn the bass parts before they could go into the studio to record, so Mikael played them because he knew them. It wasn't planned, so that argument goes out the window. Besides, all the songs are perfect.
@Zantera: Oh please. If we don't like something by them, we're allowed to discuss why. I mean, I don't like two Opeth albums as a whole, and love five of them. Am I really an Opeth "fan?" Besides, with your "bashing" of BWP (to use the definition you seem to be using), you're an Opeth "fan" as well. :biggrin:
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I only bash Orchid (because it blows). Every other album, Morningrise thru Watershed, is a masterpiece. Sometimes it may seem like I bash Watershed, but that's only because it's my least favorite of their other albums besides Orchid. And also because it had the unfortunate task of trying to follow my favorite album of all time. But I still like it a lot.
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Well, this is all very silly.
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it seems like any band that releases an album sans bass player in which a guitarist in the band takes over bass duties in studio...i don't know, all such albums turn out far worse than previous efforts. it's like a guy's so concerned with double duty, he forgets bout making sure the song writing's "on".
Martin Lopez was in the band at the time of MAYH, but he didn't have enough time to learn the bass parts before they could go into the studio to record, so Mikael played them because he knew them. It wasn't planned, so that argument goes out the window. Besides, all the songs are perfect.
i wouldn't say it goes out the window. it should hardly be the reason i don't like the album anywayz, but it's something weird i've noticed amongst various bands. oh, and it's martin mendez you're thinking of.
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yeah get it straight matt. lopezwas the drummer :D
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Oh my God I'm ashamed of myself *strangles self with bass strings*
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Yeah asshole.
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Oh my God I'm ashamed of myself *strangles self with mikael akerfeldt's bass strings from MA,YH sessions*
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Don't be silly, those have been in a landfill for more than ten years.
EDIT: PoO: Wait, did you just admit that the little scheduling snafu with MAYH isn't a reason to dislike the album, and then make a joke not-so-subtly hinting that you're still displeased with it?
EDIT2: Lol, your acronym is "poo"
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To me it feels logical somehow that all you prog-wankers (no offense) :biggrin: prefers the latter half of the Opeth-discography, because the production on their albums has gotten more... cleaner. (I guess that's a good word for it)
Personally, what I love about the production on Orchid>Still Life is how 'Opeth' it feels, the type of music they play shouldn't be 'warm', it's meant to be raw, cold, dark and brutal!
Anyhow, as I've said earlier, I don't really hate Blackwater Park.
It's a good album with a lot of really good songs, the only fault I have with it is the sound, sadly.
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As a sign of peace, I shall refrain from hating anything Opeth in this thread. Consdier it the new me. So therefore I shall commence with my thoughts:
My favorite three albums from them in order would have to be Damnation, Still Life, Watershed. I love the way they experiment with their sound (albeit far from their roots as the dark, haunting, grisly sounding death metal act they once were) and try new things.
The other day I gave "Moonlapse Vertigo" the appreciative listen that it so (now) rightly deserves and I love the use of funk chords. Why I never gave it the :metal that it deserves in the first place baffles me, but then I remember "The Moor", "Serenity Painted Death" and "Godhead's Lament", and then I :facepalm:
Now, as for the production standpoint you all are going on about, I tend to sway more towards a cleaner sound, but don't get me wrong. I think MorningRise is one of their strongest efforts and truly shows the lengths they can achieve.
to this day I still do not own Orchid, and I plan to change that very soon. Hopefully before their 10th album comes out. So here's hoping.
As for the haters, go ahead and hate, we'll ignore you anyway :biggrin:
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Zantera: What if lots of people just don't like the songs on Morningrise and the production is just another bad thing to add to the list? No, couldn't possibly be that. :biggrin:
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To me it feels logical somehow that all you prog-wankers (no offense) :biggrin: prefers the latter half of the Opeth-discography, because the production on their albums has gotten more... cleaner. (I guess that's a good word for it)
Not really, cause I quite like Orchid. Morningrise simply isn't that good of an album.
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Zantera: What if lots of people just don't like the songs on Morningrise and the production is just another bad thing to add to the list? No, couldn't possibly be that. :biggrin:
Well, considering how many fantastic songs the first albums has. :P
I can sorta get the hate for Morningrise a bit, because not many songs on it gets regular plays from my side, however I do think The Night and the Silent Water is a classic, and would probably be in my top5 Opeth-songs.
The same goes for In Mist She Was Standing on Orchid. :P
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaandlolsubjectivity. TNATSW is the only song from Morningrise that I could really see myself loving. Advent and To Bid You Farewell are good, but compare that to all the awesome songs on every album since then, and Morningrise can't compete, IMO.
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Zantera: What if lots of people just don't like the songs on Morningrise and the production is just another bad thing to add to the list? No, couldn't possibly be that. :biggrin:
This is the case for me. Bad production and even worse songs. If production was the only issue I wouldn't like Orchid.
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Orchid and Morningrise are excellent albums.
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To me it feels logical somehow that all you prog-wankers (no offense) :biggrin: prefers the latter half of the Opeth-discography, because the production on their albums has gotten more... cleaner. (I guess that's a good word for it)
For me, the production is part of it, but I also find the music considerably less interesting as well. But anyway, what do clean production and "prog-wankery" have to do with each other?
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Let's just leaving it with "Morningrise and Orchid sucks, anyone who says otherwise should die painfully" :P
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I should die painfully.
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Let's just leaving it with "Morningrise and Orchid sucks, anyone who says otherwise should die painfully" :P
I don't think anyone is saying that.
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No one's saying you should die painfully, we just happen to disagree because we're wanky prog nerds who dislike Opeth's two most "prog" albums.
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Morningrise has great songs. But it suffers from WDADU production. Nectar has some amazing bass, and is really underrated. If any album needed a remaster it'd be Morningrise.
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No one's saying you should die painfully, we just happen to disagree because we're wanky prog nerds who dislike Opeth's two most "prog" albums.
That statement doesn't really make much sense. :P
Opeth has probably become more and more progressive, what I meant was that it's not really surprising that people coming from a prog-background tend to prefer the latter albums.
When I got into Opeth, I didn't listen to prog at all, so I kinda fell in love with all of it, and it's probably thanks to Opeth that I got into this type of music.
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Considering how long the songs are and how often everything changes, the first two albums are pretty "prog" as well. Opeth has become more "progressive" in evolving their sound, but those first two stereotypical prog aspects are what I was referring to with regard to Morningrise/Orchid. So saying progheads tend to prefer later albums doesn't really make much sense when you've got two albums like Orchid/Morningrise, unless you have to like organs to be a real proghead. :P
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Well what I mean is that.. I feel like they have evolved the transitions a lot from album to album.
Even though I love Orchid and Morningrise (so no bashing here), they do feel a bit more 'sudden' in the changes from heavy parts to soft sometimes, meanwhile I think on albums like Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries, they build-up to the changes in another way.
If that makes any sense. :P
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^this makes sense.
The transitions in some prog music are so subtle you forget that the song started out like a metal song, and then, wait...waht? JAZZ? It's that subtlety that I love in prog music.
Ie: Octavarium.
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Zantera, some people just don't like those albums, it has nothing to do with a prog background. As Matt has explained, that doesn't even make sense. :lol
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Orchid and Morningrise are probably a bit more Black Metal-leaning that the later stuff.
Hopefully this is considered a fair judgement of the earlier material. It also gives credence to the notion that they have always been a prog band; evolving their style. The thread is likely to turn a bit bleak if the debate continues to follow similar patterns in the older threads. In my time of need, I know that I can turn to open to rid the disease of boredom, while simultaneously delivering atonement for listening to generic music in the car on the way home.
So I'm bored, don't judge me :)
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:neverusethis:
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Zantera, some people just don't like those albums, it has nothing to do with a prog background. As Matt has explained, that doesn't even make sense. :lol
Yeah that is cool, but I still feel like there's a pretty huge change in the way they handle transitions now and how they did it on Orchid/Morningrise. :P
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Zantera, some people just don't like those albums, it has nothing to do with a prog background. As Matt has explained, that doesn't even make sense. :lol
Yeah that is cool, but I still feel like there's a pretty huge change in the way they handle transitions now and how they did it on Orchid/Morningrise. :P
For sure. Orchid is more ADD then most tech death albums.
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Orchid and Morningrise are more random in their transitions, but I still love them. I wouldn't rank any Opeth album below an 8/10.
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Don't be silly, those have been in a landfill for more than ten years.
EDIT: PoO: Wait, did you just admit that the little scheduling snafu with MAYH isn't a reason to dislike the album, and then make a joke not-so-subtly hinting that you're still displeased with it?
EDIT2: Lol, your acronym is "poo"
yes, i not-so-subtly hinted. *runs and jumps in a tub of boiling lava lamp liquid*.
and yes, i unfortunately share the same acronym as Power of Omens (i believe their guitarist used to post on the old dreamtheater.net forums, and i pointed out his unfortunate acronym...but then i decide to adopt in on the new boards, so...)
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i just found them MA,YH session bass strings on ebay!
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If any album needed a remaster it'd be Morningrise.
remastering wouldn't do much of anything (besides implore ignorant fans into rebuying records they already own). Orchid and Morningrise need full on re-mixing, if not re-recording; starting with crap usually always ends up in crap, but if they had the presence of mind to record the guitar direct in addition to their amped signals, they could easily reamp the guitars and bass and get much better tone out of them. other things would need serious studio work or re-recording (acoustic guitars, drums), but it could all be salvaged if the guitar tone can be saved. otherwise, re-recording would be the only way to make the album production style match what they've done from MAYH onward.
thing is, i dunno if they need it. though i'd love to hear "To Bid You Farewell" without acidic guitars ripping at my ears, there is some bizarre magic to the mood of these records, and the production is a gigantic informer of mood.
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I agree with the moods of the albums. It actually fits the album cover.
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Zantera, some people just don't like those albums, it has nothing to do with a prog background. As Matt has explained, that doesn't even make sense. :lol
Yeah that is cool, but I still feel like there's a pretty huge change in the way they handle transitions now and how they did it on Orchid/Morningrise. :P
Yeah definitely, which is probably why there's a bit of a split in the fanbase over them.
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Not to divert from the Orchid/Morningrise discussion, but I'm listening to Dammnation atm and I gotta say the mixing and mastering are ridiculously good. The whole thing is crystal clear and the layering really helps build the atmosphere. Even the louder parts sound subtle and really divine (I've never used that word in my life!)
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Not to divert from the Orchid/Morningrise discussion, but I'm listening to Dammnation atm and I gotta say the mixing and mastering are ridiculously good. The whole thing is crystal clear and the layering really helps build the atmosphere. Even the louder parts sound subtle and really divine (I've never used that word in my life!)
Steve Wilson.
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Steve Wilson.
So, Mr Wilson was involved with BWP, Deliverance and Dammnation; nothing before, nothing after.
Whats up with that? Was Mikael looking for a mentor or something like that? It just seems a bit wierd, cos Steve does a fair bit of mixing & mastering doesn't he?
EDIT: Just realised he's slated to be involved with the new album...again, whats up with that?
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wat
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Steve Wilson.
So, Mr Wilson was involved with BWP, Deliverance and Dammnation; nothing before, nothing after.
Whats up with that? Was Mikael looking for a mentor or something like that? It just seems a bit wierd, cos Steve does a fair bit of mixing & mastering doesn't he?
EDIT: Just realised he's slated to be involved with the new album...again, whats up with that?
contrary to popular belief, steven wilson is not god, and therefore has limited time to work on his many projects and tours. so i'm guessing scheduling is what's up.
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steven wilson is not god
wat
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I didnt meant whats up with that as an attack on him, I was merely asking whether anyone could shed any light on his interaction with the band. No need to be so harsh :chill
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steven wilson is not god
wat
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I didnt meant whats up with that as an attack on him, I was merely asking whether anyone could shed any light on his interaction with the band. No need to be so harsh :chill
I think Akerfeldt just asked him to produce an album since they were friends and he was a huge fan of Wilson's work. They liked it so much he came back for the next two albums. I'm not sure why they stopped though.
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Just got home with the Watershed vinyl, I'm a happy man (well I was uncomfortable for the last couple of hours because I smileed a bit in my pants when I found it, but it's ok now that I have changed).
I'm on Burden now, having a great time with this listen. Coil was especially awesome, the guitars sound very crispy and kind of metallic on it and Heir Apparent was just brutal.
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WATERSHED IS ON VINYL HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS WHY DID I NEVER HEAR OF THIS BEFORE ARGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGGHGHGHGHGHGHGGH
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I got my Watershed vinyl signed by the whole band, awesome stuff to have. Not very interested in getting autographs, but having Opeth's feels pretty awesome to me. I also have PT's autographs on the The Incident album. Those are all I need, really. Love those bands.
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Watershed is the best Opeth album for vinyl imo, other than possibly Damnation. Although Watershed is also their best album overall, so...
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Ohhh snap. I agree though.
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Watershed is solid, but it doesn't have a single song that I have a big urge to listen to.
It's like 7 good songs, but none that would make it to my top20-25 Opeth-songs.
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I still think it's by far their most cohesive album.
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Watershed is solid, but it doesn't have a single song that I have a big urge to listen to.
It's like 7 good songs, but none that would make it to my top20-25 Opeth-songs.
Coil/Heir Apparent
The Lotus Eater
Burden
Hessian Peel
I have no idea what you are talking about. Those songs alone make for badass stand alone tracks, and Hessian Peel is easily a top 5 for me.
Porcelain Heart on the other hand, can go suck Asian wang.
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The Lotus Eater and Burden would make my Top 10.
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Watershed is solid, but it doesn't have a single song that I have a big urge to listen to.
It's like 7 good songs, but none that would make it to my top20-25 Opeth-songs.
I agree with this 100%
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And before someone dares me to do it, here are 25 songs (In no particular order) that would certainly be 'up there' for me:
In Mist She Was Standing
Under the Weeping Moon
The Night and the Silent Water
April Ethereal
When
The Amen Corner
Demon of the Fall
The Moor
Face of Melinda
Serenity Painted Death
Blackwater Park
The Drapery Falls
The Leper Affinity
Harvest
Deliverance
A Fair Judgement
Wreath
Masters Apprentices
Windowpane
Hope Leaves
Weakness
Ghost of Perdition
The Baying of the Hounds
Harlequin Forest
Isolation Years
Then there would probably be one or two Watershed-songs in the next 5, but still.
Making this list, I still had to leave out some really good songs, but I didn't really 'miss' anything from Watershed. :P
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Well, if nothing else, at least you have song from Orchid and Morningrise up there.
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Yeah because Orchid and Morningrise are both amazing, no matter what everyone else says. :heart
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Morningrise can go suck a dick.
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...........
So anyway, I never see Godhead's Lament get talked about around here, unless I've been in a daze.
Godhead's Lament :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Morningrise can go suck a dick.
You're only embarrassing yourself.
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Morningrise can go suck a dick.
YOU....
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IIRC Godhead's Lament is Sigz's favorite Opeth song.
Zantera: Sorry, forgot to put my trollface on...
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He makes a good choice, then ;) It's in my top 3 Opeth songs, if not my favorite.
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Indeed it is. It's the song that got me in to Opeth, and still remains my favorite. Seeing it live was one of the highlights of my life.
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Seeing Opeth for the first time in July, so pumped!
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Ghost Reveries is not only Opeth's best album, but it sits comfortably in my top 5 of all time.
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Has there ever been an Opeth "Top X" in a similar vein to the one in the DT sub-forum?
If not, why the hell not they seem to be one of the most heavily debated bands here. Itd be really interesting to set up, say, a top 20 Opeth with write-ups, favourite moments etc.
Or am I talking out of my arse?
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There has been a Top-X Opeth-thread, even though I can't remember exactly who ran it.
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I believe it was TOX.
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7579.0
Boom.
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PULL ME DOWN AGAIN AND GUIDE ME INTO- Ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-whooahhh--ahhh-ahhh-owhoaaaaa-ahh-ahh-ahhhhhhhhhh... Ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-whooahhh-ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-owhoaaaaa-ahh-ahh-ahhhhhhhh... Ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-whooahhh--ahhh-ahhh-owhoaaaaa-ahh-ahh-ahhhhhhhhhh... Ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-whoaahhh-ahhh-ahhh-ahhh-owhoaaaaa-ahh-ahh-ahhhhhhhh...
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I HEAR THE BAYING OF THE HOOOOOOOOOOOOUNDS
IN THE DISTAAAANCE I HEAR THEM DEVOURIIIIING
PASS ME THE TACOS OF THE EARTH
:metal :metal :metal
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I listened to Watershed yesterday. I forgot how good it is :metal
Then I listened to Damnation :D Totally ethereal :heart
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I listened to Watershed yesterday. I forgot how good it is :metal
Then I listened to Damnation :D Totally ethereal :heart
Good choice of words :tup
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How would we all feel if Opeth released a growl-free album?
Not Damnation-esque, still heavy...just no growls
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Mikael's growls are probably the best thing about the band for me... so I'm not so sure.
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How would we all feel if Opeth released a growl-free album?
Not Damnation-esque, still heavy...just no growls
If one growl-free album means a higher probability of no more growl-free albums from now onward, I would be a little sad.
But I would not mind at all. They have made at least four truly amazing albums in their career, a feat unmatched by most.
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How would we all feel if Opeth released a growl-free album?
Not Damnation-esque, still heavy...just no growls
I have no preference towards or against growls, so I wouldn't really care. It would depend entirely on the quality of the music.
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How would we all feel if Opeth released a growl-free album?
Not Damnation-esque, still heavy...just no growls
Then it would just be like every other metal-album?
I can't say that growls are the best thing that music offers, and I can't say that I dislike it either.
Done well - fantastic, Done poorly - then I don't really care for it.
Overall though, growls are a very huge part of the Opeth-sound, and them making a non-growl album is pretty much as exciting as Dream Theater making a non progressive album. (to give an example)
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them making a non-growl album is pretty much as exciting as Dream Theater making a non progressive album. (to give an example)
And the problem with that would be?
The way I see it is this: I love lots of non-prog albums. I love lots of albums that have no growls. So if DT or Opeth were to release albums like that, then I can't see why I'd care in the slightest.
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Long as the music's good. I'm sure they could do a heavyish album with no growls. Demon of the Fall, When, Lotus Eater, and Bleak have heavy bits with clean vocals and they work brilliantly.
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Honestly, I think if Dream Theater made an album that veered away from prog, I'd be interested in them again :-\ :P
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How would we all feel if Opeth released a growl-free album?
Not Damnation-esque, still heavy...just no growls
I don't particularly want them to, but if they did, I think I would enjoy it. At the very least, I'd give it a chance. I think they could pull it off.
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Having no growls would be completely contradictory to what Opeth's signature sound is. I know, you can make the argument that there is no specific sound for prog since it's all about change, progressing and moving forward with new ideas. But with Opeth, the growls represent something much more than sheer brutality and anger much like most death metal bands are going for. The growls in Opeth (at least to me) are a representation of the ugly, dark and evil tones of their music while the clean vocals act as the beautiful, sad and often melancholic side of their music. To me, an Opeth album without any growls would be missing a large portion of their dimension and substance.
This is why Opeth remains my favourite band to play both progressive and death metal music. They aren't just using growls because "lol we play hevy mehtul".
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them making a non-growl album is pretty much as exciting as Dream Theater making a non progressive album. (to give an example)
And the problem with that would be?
The way I see it is this: I love lots of non-prog albums. I love lots of albums that have no growls. So if DT or Opeth were to release albums like that, then I can't see why I'd care in the slightest.
Well true.
I'm all for artists trying new stuff, but after hearing bands like BTBAM and Opeth, heavy music (and now I mean real heavy) with normal vocals just comes off as very cheesy to me, and even though Åkerfeldt has a great voice, it would sound pretty.. lame.
The growls + the heavy music results in the heavy side of Opeth, if you take away the growls and add normal singing, it would sound like a band "trying to sound heavy, but melodic at the same time", something I personally don't like that much. :P
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Lat raises an excellent point.
@Zantera: Have you ever listened to Nevermore? They're a good example of a band that plays really heavy music with (mostly) clean vocals. They make it work.
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One of the reasons that Opeth are one of the few metal bands I still love is because they boldly tread the waters that many metal bands fear.
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Lat raises an excellent point.
@Zantera: Have you ever listened to Nevermore? They're a good example of a band that plays really heavy music with (mostly) clean vocals. They make it work.
A good but terrible example.
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?
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Lat raises an excellent point.
@Zantera: Have you ever listened to Nevermore? They're a good example of a band that plays really heavy music with (mostly) clean vocals. They make it work.
A good but terrible example.
I have to agree. Their guitar tone is excellent too.
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A good but terrible example.
Too true, Nevermore are probably the most boring metal band I've ever heard. They are just a microcosm of metal.
On the topic of Opeth, I'd be up for an Opeth top 20 if anyone is interested in my views? I'm still fairly new and mysterious...
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I'm sure no one here would mind yelling at someone else for their differing viewpoints. :tup
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Nevermore...boring? I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.
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A good but terrible example.
Too true, Nevermore are probably the most boring metal band I've ever heard. They are just a microcosm of metal.
It's a good thing I'm a nice guy. Because from this view I have of you through your bedroom window shows about 6 different vantage points I would have upon sneaking in. That way, I would have the upper hand in my attempt to strangle you vigorously as I whisper into your ear "Welcome to the end my friend, the sky has opened".
Naw it's cool, to each his own. Even if your opinions of Nevermore is entirely wrong.
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:neverusethis:
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Lol I knew this was coming as soon as I clicked post.
IDK, I just find them kind of bland - sort of generic (boring might of been a bit strong). I obviously haven't listened to them enough to fully appreciate their stuff. From what I've heard, its kind of shred -> chorus -> solo -> shred -> chorus. Maybe the formula works for some, just not me.
It's a good thing I'm a nice guy. Because from this view I have of you through your bedroom window shows about 6 different vantage points I would have upon sneaking in. That way, I would have the upper hand in my attempt to strangle you vigorously as I whisper into your ear "Welcome to the end my friend, the sky has opened".
Good thing you are a nice guy then :| lol
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Nevermore is cool, I guess. But most heavy metal doesn't really demand my attention anymore.
Opeth is one of the exceptions, though.
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Nevermore are great but they have a couple of pretty sucky albums. Listen to This Godless Endeavour. If you don't like it, get new ears.
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I have heard the last Nevermore-album, but not really my type of music. :P
But I agree with pretty much what Lat said about the growls being a very big part of Opeth's music, and not having them would leave an album a bit empty.
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So, assuming the Opeth fans can move on from my disdain for Nevermore...I'm gonna go ahead with a Opeth Top 20. I'm thinking I'll make it its own thread, but to kick things off I'll let you know my terms of reference and also the songs which don't make the "assessment cut" (ie, songs I know wouldn't make it into my top 20).
First and foremost, Opeth was my first "band" (in 2002), by which I mean I went out a bought all their CDs, listened to them constantly and thought sexy thoughts about them. They kind of led me to where I am now. I don't listen to much death metal any more (actively listen, I still hear it on radio, from my brother, friends etc); early Opeth are really the exception.
So, I'm going to look at Opeth album released tracks only. This means, no covers, no re-released demos, no one-offs etc. By my reckoning, that means there is 64 tracks over 9 albums. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
These are the tracks that didn't make the cut:
Advent
Black Rose Immortal
By the Pain I See in Others
Coil
For Absent Friends
Karma
Madrigal
Nectar
Requiem
Silhouette
The Twilight is my Robe
Most of those are bridging tracks I know, but hey, they count.
So, early comments? I'm looking to do, say, 2 write-ups a day over the course of two working weeks starting on Monday 4 April. I'm in the best country in the world, so my times won't match up to pretty much anyone on the board. Could be a good thing, but could also lead to alot of comments for me to answer at any given time if this thing is well subscribed (which I hope it will be ;D)
Let your journey into my Opeth-psyche begin!
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Your heartwarming enthusiasm and overwhelming expectation for Riceball's Opeth Top 20 has really floored me DTF, I'm lost for words truly lost for words...
:loser:
Regardless, I've narrowed down my list to 20 (it started at 69, got it down to 40 fairly quickly, 20 was a killer). I'm thinking I'll start posting write-ups next Monday. BUT, to build some anticipation, here are some songs that DIDN'T make the list:
April Ethereal
Atonement
Blackwater Park
Heir Apparent
Moonlapse Vertigo
Reverie/Harlequin Forest
The Grand Conjuration
The Night and the Silent Water
I'd appreciate some feigned interest ;)
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You failed right when Nectar didn't make the cut. ; )
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Neither Blackwater Park or The Night and the Silent Water made it?
Awwwwwwwww. :sadpanda:
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Blackwater Park
Reverie/Harlequin Forest
Well this list already failed hard.
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Neither Reverie/Harlequin Forest or The Grand Conjuration made it? :huh:
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I'm assuming Ghost of Perdition will sit comfortably at #1, which is where it rightfully should be.
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I'm assuming Ghost of Perdition will sit comfortably at #1, which is where it rightfully should be.
What?
There doesn't exist a universe where GoP is nr1. :neverusethis:
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Neither Reverie/Harlequin Forest or The Grand Conjuration made it? :huh:
I just don't dig them as much as I do other songs...
Blackwater Park, The Night and the Silent Water
#21 and #23 respectively...
I'm assuming Ghost of Perdition will sit comfortably at #1, which is where it rightfully should be.
Well...you'll have to wait and see won't you ;)
Good job at looking like you are interested dudes. Keep it up.
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Blackwater Park is their best song, and April Ethereal is top ten as well. Harleaquin Forest is the best song on Ghost Reveries, and the Night and the Silent Water is the best song from Morningrise. What the hell, Riceball?
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Blackwater Park, Harleaquin Forest, The Night and the Silent Water
See above.
April Ethereal
#22, pained me to leave it out, as well as Blackwater Park and The Night and the Silent Water.
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But see, BWP and April Ethereal can't be 21 and 22, because they're 1 and 10. Duh.
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Blackwater Park is their best song
I never thought I've said it before, but dude I love you. :heart
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Top......8!
Bleak
Blackwater Park
Reverie/Harlequin Forest
The Drapery Falls
Hessian Peel
Ghost of Perdition
The Grand Conjuration
Godhead's Lament
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I doubt I could ever rank them, but the songs that would be up there:
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
A Fair Judgement
Isolation Years
The Baying of the Hounds
The Moor
The Night and the Silent Water
In Mist She Was Standing
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My top 2 are The Drapery Falls and The Baying of the Hounds.
After that I have no idea.
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I'm in the best city in the world
You got this part right! :D
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From their FB page:
Keyboardist Per Wiberg has been relieved of his duties in Opeth as part of a mutual decision with the band. Keyboard duties on upcoming tours will be handled by a musician who is already rehearsing with the band. Said musician’s identity will be released at a later date.
Vocalist/guitarist Mikael Åkerfeldt released the following statement about the matter: “Well, it’s been somewhat of a revolving door of members during the last couple of years, and now, Per is no longer a member. Mendez, Axe and Fredrik and I came to the decision that we should find a replacement for Per right after the recordings of the new album, and this came as no surprise to Per. He had, in turn, been thinking about leaving, so you could say it was a mutual decision. There’s no bad blood, just a relationship that came to an end, and that’s that. We wish Per the best, and he did a splendid job recording keyboards for the last record, which stands as his final recording with Opeth.”
Opeth remain hard at work on their next album, which follows up 2008’s critically acclaimed Watershed. The album is due out this Fall on Roadrunner Records.
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Damn, was just about to post that. That means no more epic mustache/headbangings. :(
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Awww, I really liked Per.
Also inb4 the new keyboard player is also DT's new drummer.
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WAT
Dude, fuck that. That seriously ruined my day. :sadpanda:
At least he'll be on the new album, but still. I liked Per alot. I hope he continues to make music.
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That's odd. Wonder why the other guys felt like Per needed to go...
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Wow, so they recorded his parts, then was asked to leave by the band, which includes 2 members who've only been there for one album? I hope it was more mutual than it really sounds.
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Per was great and will be missed.
With that said, I don't really care too much, members have come and gone in Opeth, and Åkerfeldt and Mendez are the only two that I would really miss. (No Opeth without Åkerfeldt is kinda obvious tho)
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This sucks, seemed like cool guy.
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:(
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I'm more interested in why - he's been in the band for a while, even before becoming an 'official' member.
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Poor Petrucci, now how is he going to be able to play keys in an awesome death metal band?
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I do find it a bit odd that so many members have been coming and going, but there's nothing in particular about Per's style that I'll really miss very much. I do still miss Martin Lopez, though.
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Lopez is the only one I miss, but I miss him a lot.
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Per left?
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Seemed like a cool guy, though.
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That sucks, he was really cool. :-\
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Per's stuff on watershed is so awesome WHY DO THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE
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I'm a bit sad about Per leaving, more so because now I'm worried they're gonna replace him with some widdly-widdly JR-esque player.
Per's stuff worked so well with the rest of them.
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Oh god, I really hope they don't do that.
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I'm a bit sad about Per leaving, more so because now I'm worried they're gonna replace him with some widdly-widdly JR-esque player.
Really? Has that ever been their sound?
I'd trust them to have better taste than that, especially with their current trend of abandoning conventions and making their music even more of something unique to them.
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I'm a bit sad about Per leaving, more so because now I'm worried they're gonna replace him with some widdly-widdly JR-esque player.
AW HELL NAW
I don't think they'll do that, though. Mikael has actual taste :P
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I'm a bit sad about Per leaving, more so because now I'm worried they're gonna replace him with some widdly-widdly JR-esque player.
Really? Has that ever been their sound?
I'd trust them to have better taste than that, especially with their current trend of abandoning conventions and making their music even more of something unique to them.
I'm not that worried but honestly I didn't see a reason for Per to leave. He seemed to work fine with them so I don't really understand why they'd get rid of him unless they wanted to change the direction they went with keys. And an obvious alternative would be to go in the direction I fear (among many others, obviously)
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But their change in direction on Watershed was largely made up of Per's great keywork, and the fact that his stuff is written on this album too means that it's not about material.
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No! Per is the tits!
At the end of the day though, it is still about Akerfeldt, so this probably isn't a huge deal. If there truly isn't a relationship problem - which I am always skeptical about - then he probably left because of "creative differences" aka he wasn't giving much input.
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Oh, wow. I did not see that change coming. He seemed like a perfect fit for the band. Strangely though, I am not upset, or sad, or happy or anything. After seeing Tarja booted out of Nightwish and Portnoy from DT, change is coming much more accepting for me....unless someone dies, then it will probably hit me like a thunderbolt.
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No! Per is the tits!
At the end of the day though, it is still about Akerfeldt, so this probably isn't a huge deal. If there truly isn't a relationship problem - which I am always skeptical about - then he probably left because of "creative differences" aka he wasn't giving much input.
None of them give any real input anyway though.
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Mendez gives a bit, if I remember correctly from the BWP documentary, and Mikael went to him with the metal stuff and the stuff that's actually going to be on the new album to see what he thought, so Mikael certainly values their input.
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I'm sad that Per left. Really sad. But if Mendez were to leave, I'd be devastated. He's almost as important to Opeth as Mikael is, at this point.
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Ah man that really sucks.
IDK, maybe it is due to the new material? I remember reading somewhere that its a completely different direction to anything they've done before, maybe it didnt sit well with him? Or the rest of the band didn't think it was sitting well with him?
Or, *drum roll* maybe he just got tired of being in a high profile band? Since he joined up (Deliverance/Damnation era), Opeth have become quite a bit more popular.
Or, maybe he just lost interest in the band. At the end of the day it doesn't matter so much, he was awesome, and I'm sure they can find an awesome replacement.
So, is he added to the new drummer poll yet?
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Per seems like a cool guy, but he wasn't a particularly great keyboardist, and his sounds tended to suck a bit live.
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Opeth has mostly been a Mikael Akerfeldt solo project for most, if not all, of the band's career :P
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Sad news! :sad: I guess he may have left because of the continuous touring, as he was asked to leave after the recordings. BTW, I bet Opeth will announce the new guy before DT will! :lol
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Per seems like a cool guy, but he wasn't a particularly great keyboardist, and his sounds tended to suck a bit live.
Yeah I kinda agree with this. He was a solid keys player but never crucial to the band's sound and was practically mixed out at times during shows. On the RAH DVD he's barely audible most of the time.
Maybe SW will step in...
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I'm sad that Per left. Really sad. But if Mendez were to leave, I'd be devastated. He's almost as important to Opeth as Mikael is, at this point.
Come on, Gadough. Let's be honest. This is crazy talk. :loser:
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Wow. But at least Mendez is still there.
And Lopez is greatly missed. He added a ton of percussion atmosphere to their songs
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Controversial lolpinion: Per was the best thing about Watershed.
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Maybe SW will step in...
Please no.
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I'm sad that Per left. Really sad. But if Mendez were to leave, I'd be devastated. He's almost as important to Opeth as Mikael is, at this point.
Come on, Gadough. Let's be honest. This is crazy talk. :loser:
Seriously, the guy's a bass player; he's easily the least important and most replaceable member.
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I'm sad that Per left. Really sad. But if Mendez were to leave, I'd be devastated. He's almost as important to Opeth as Mikael is, at this point.
Come on, Gadough. Let's be honest. This is crazy talk. :loser:
Seriously, the guy's a bass player; he's easily the least important and most replaceable member.
Personal attack against all bass players, bant.
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I was thinking more in terms of stage presence and image. I would greatly miss seeing him aside Mikael; his silent demeanor has become almost synonymous with the band. Plus, it's obvious that he's got much more say in how things go down songwriting-wise than he used to. Combine all that with the fact that he's the second longest-standing member in the lineup, and yes - it would absolutely fucking blow if he left the band.
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It'd be pretty amazing if Kevin Moore joined them.
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no it wouldn't
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It might be cool, just don't let him write material. He might try taking it with when he leaves.
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wat
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I'm sad that Per left. Really sad. But if Mendez were to leave, I'd be devastated. He's almost as important to Opeth as Mikael is, at this point.
Come on, Gadough. Let's be honest. This is crazy talk. :loser:
Seriously, the guy's a bass player; he's easily the least important and most replaceable member.
And here I thought you were a cool dude
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Just bought Blackwater Park! I'll give it a listen soon. I've never listened to Opeth before.
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I'd have a change of pants close by if I were you.
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^^^
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It'd be pretty amazing if Kevin Moore joined them.
Now THAT would be interesting. And awesome.
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I was thinking more in terms of stage presence and image. I would greatly miss seeing him aside Mikael; his silent demeanor has become almost synonymous with the band. Plus, it's obvious that he's got much more say in how things go down songwriting-wise than he used to. Combine all that with the fact that he's the second longest-standing member in the lineup, and yes - it would absolutely fucking blow if he left the band.
Mikael also said in one interview that he decided together with Mendez, what songs they would play in the second set on Evolution XX tour, so yes, he is more important than he seems to be.
It'd be pretty amazing if Kevin Moore joined them.
Now THAT would be interesting. And awesome.
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I'd have a change of pants close by if I were you.
LOL, I'll probably have to listen tomorrow cause I'm busy today. Is their any other recommendations to do with good time/place to listen to it, to get myself into the right mood etc?
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Just don't use it as background music. For your first listen, don't be browsing the internet, or studying, or playing a video game, etc. Sit there and focus on the music. Give 100% of your attention to it.
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Just don't use it as background music. For your first listen, don't be browsing the internet, or studying, or playing a video game, etc. Sit there and focus on the music. Give 100% of your attention to it.
Ok, thanks, will do :) Usually when listening to new albums I tend to have it as background music, unless its something really awesome such as a new Maiden or DT album. I was comtemplating whether to do something else while listening to it, but I guess I'll just lie down and listen to it.
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I only say that because Blackwater Park is an album rife with atmosphere. It enhances the music. The more drawn in you are to the atmosphere being created, the more you'll enjoy it. If you're doing something else while listening to it, you may miss out on that.
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I only say that because Blackwater Park is an album rife with atmosphere. It enhances the music. The more drawn in you are to the atmosphere being created, the more you'll enjoy it. If you're doing something else while listening to it, you may miss out on that.
OK awesome, and I can't wait to listen to it already! I've got friends coming round now and a party tonight, tomorrow will be awesome :D
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I was thinking more in terms of stage presence and image. I would greatly miss seeing him aside Mikael; his silent demeanor has become almost synonymous with the band. Plus, it's obvious that he's got much more say in how things go down songwriting-wise than he used to. Combine all that with the fact that he's the second longest-standing member in the lineup, and yes - it would absolutely fucking blow if he left the band.
Mikael also said in one interview that he decided together with Mendez, what songs they would play in the second set on Evolution XX tour, so yes, he is more important than he seems to be.
Perhaps he made the set worse than it otherwise would have been.
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I was thinking more in terms of stage presence and image. I would greatly miss seeing him aside Mikael; his silent demeanor has become almost synonymous with the band. Plus, it's obvious that he's got much more say in how things go down songwriting-wise than he used to. Combine all that with the fact that he's the second longest-standing member in the lineup, and yes - it would absolutely fucking blow if he left the band.
Mikael also said in one interview that he decided together with Mendez, what songs they would play in the second set on Evolution XX tour, so yes, he is more important than he seems to be.
Perhaps he made the set worse than it otherwise would have been.
:facepalm:
That's not the point.
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someone posted on the Porcupine Tree forum that Steven Wilson did a short interview with a Greek magazine. he apparently mentioned that Damnation will be coming out in 5.1 with an unheard bonus track (!) but he doesn't know when.
obviously sketchy reliability on this so far, but the poster is from Greece.... :P
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Ha. I've thought Blackwater Park (song) was overrated for the longest time, but now it's my favourite Opeth song. Out of the ones I've heard at least.
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Ha. I've thought Blackwater Park (song) was overrated for the longest time, but now it's my favourite Opeth song. Out of the ones I've heard at least.
Blackwater Park took a while to warm on me. Now, it's one of my top ten.
What of theirs have you heard so far?
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I only say that because Blackwater Park is an album rife with atmosphere. It enhances the music. The more drawn in you are to the atmosphere being created, the more you'll enjoy it. If you're doing something else while listening to it, you may miss out on that.
Dude, you just explained it perfectly to him. The atmosphere that that album has is unique and awesome.
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Just bought Blackwater Park! I'll give it a listen soon. I've never listened to Opeth before.
:tup :tup :metal :metal
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Ha. I've thought Blackwater Park (song) was overrated for the longest time, but now it's my favourite Opeth song. Out of the ones I've heard at least.
I still think it's overrated... I don't know, I've listened to it quite many times, but it still hasn't clicked with me (and I guess it never will). There are some good riffs and growls, but the song drags on. I wish it was 3-4 minutes shorter.
someone posted on the Porcupine Tree forum that Steven Wilson did a short interview with a Greek magazine. he apparently mentioned that Damnation will be coming out in 5.1 with an unheard bonus track (!) but he doesn't know when.
obviously sketchy reliability on this so far, but the poster is from Greece.... :P
Unheard bonus track? :omg:
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I just listened to it for the first time, I found it really good, I love the music and theres some killer riffs in there, the acoustic bits are awesome too. It'll take me a few listens to really get a good opinion of it :)
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Ha. I've thought Blackwater Park (song) was overrated for the longest time, but now it's my favourite Opeth song. Out of the ones I've heard at least.
Blackwater Park took a while to warm on me. Now, it's one of my top ten.
What of theirs have you heard so far?
I own BWP and Ghost Reveries, and heard a few other songs here and there.
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Blackwater Park, the album, took a long time for it to click with me. I had it for a few months before it really clicked and I decided to get Ghost Reveries, which clicked instantly. But now I think that Blackwater Park, the song, is their best song.
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The Leper Affinity rarely gets a lot of love around here, personally I think it's one of the best songs on BWP.
It has some really sick riffs, and the acoustic part is one of my favorite clean passages on the whole album. :heart
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The fact that it's so hard to pick a favorite from BWP is really a testament to how solid it really is. Fantastic album.
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1. The Leper Affinity - 9.5
2. Bleak - 9.5
3. Harvest - 9
4. The Drapery Falls - 9.5
5. Dirge for November - 8.5
6. The Funeral Portrait - 8
7. Patterns in the Ivy - 9
8. Blackwater Park - 10
Tracks 1 & 2 are on the verge of being 100% boner sauce, but both have a moment or two that I usually find myself wanting to just be over with. They make me anxious for impending pwn.
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BWP (specifically "Harvest") was my intro to the band, way back when it came out. to this day i'm unsure if i truly can pick one favourite out of all the songs, but i most consistently go back to opening trinity. they really hit a high on that record.
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The Leper Affinity rarely gets a lot of love around here, personally I think it's one of the best songs on BWP.
It has some really sick riffs, and the acoustic part is one of my favorite clean passages on the whole album. :heart
Hell yeah, dude. TLA is my favorite off BWP by far. It's just so brutal.
I'm currently learning it on guitar. The arps and solos are prohibiting me from learning the whole thing.
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Tracks 1 & 2 are on the verge of being 100% boner sauce, but both have a moment or two that I usually find myself wanting to just be over with. They make me anxious for impending pwn.
Yet you give "Blackwater Park" a 10.
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Blackwater Park, the album, took a long time for it to click with me. I had it for a few months before it really clicked and I decided to get Ghost Reveries, which clicked instantly. But now I think that Blackwater Park, the song, is their best song.
Blackwater Park clicked for me instantly and I stopped hating Opeth because of it. Ghost Reveries took a long time.
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Tracks 1 & 2 are on the verge of being 100% boner sauce, but both have a moment or two that I usually find myself wanting to just be over with. They make me anxious for impending pwn.
Yet you give "Blackwater Park" a 10.
That song is a roller coaster ride of riffs that is constantly pounding you in the face. The middle of it is not, but it isn't supposed to me. It's supposed to be a break.
TLA and Bleak have parts that I find to be legitimately boring. Very short parts, but they are there.
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
Maybe not the most underrated, but a very underrated song indeed.
It's kinda 'weird', but in a good way, and I don't really get the hate for it.
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
I could get behind this.
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
That's one of the first songs from them I heard. o/
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I'm watching a song off Lamentations and is it just me or does Peter have absolutely monstrous hands?
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I'm watching a song off Lamentations and is it just me or does Peter have absolutely monstrous hands?
Hahaha yeah they look like they wrap around the neck...maybe he left opeth for a career in the adult entertainment industry?
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I'm watching a song off Lamentations and is it just me or does Peter have absolutely monstrous hands?
Hahaha yeah they look like they wrap around the neck...maybe he left opeth for a career in the adult entertainment industry?
Yep, I can see that. After working them fingers, he serenades her with a song...or at the same time. :hat
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
That sir, would be "Baying Of The Hounds". We're talking top 5 Opeth song, yet no one will even suggest top 15.
What's wrong with y'all?
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Playslikemyung would agree with you there.
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
That sir, would be "Baying Of The Hounds". We're talking top 5 Opeth song, yet no one will even suggest top 15.
What's wrong with y'all?
I wouldn't say that "The Baying of the Hounds" is underrated, because at least half of the people here would say that it's a top-tier song from Ghost Reveries. (including myself)
Isolation Years however, there's an underrated song.
Might be my favorite from the album. :heart
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
That sir, would be "Baying Of The Hounds". We're talking top 5 Opeth song, yet no one will even suggest top 15.
What's wrong with y'all?
I wouldn't say that "The Baying of the Hounds" is underrated, because at least half of the people here would say that it's a top-tier song from Ghost Reveries. (including myself)
Isolation Years however, there's an underrated song.
Might be my favorite from the album. :heart
I think Isolation Years gets enough recognition. Barely anybody talks about Hours of Wealth, which is unjustly shelved more times than not.
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I'm fairly new to Opeth, and it seems everyone loves them here. Their folk-type stuff is brilliant but I'm not so much a fan of their death metal side...
Does anyone have any recommendations for a n00bie?
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Playslikemyung would agree with you there.
It's top two material :neverusethis:
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
That's one of the first songs from them I heard. o/
Don't worry Rina, I won't leave you hangin like the rest of these dicks!
*\o
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Playslikemyung would agree with you there.
It's top two material :neverusethis:
Hey man, it's a song from the greatest album to ever be released. Even though I don't agree with you, no tardface is necessary. ;)
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My proposal for most criminally underrated Opeth song: "Beneath the Mire."
That sir, would be "Baying Of The Hounds". We're talking top 5 Opeth song, yet no one will even suggest top 15.
What's wrong with y'all?
Nope, it would be Dirge For November.
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Dirge For November is my least favorite Opeth song that isn't on Orchid.
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Dirge For November is my least favorite Opeth song that isn't on Orchid.
WTF
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Dirge For November is my least favorite Opeth song that isn't on Orchid.
Kill yourself.
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I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation at some point before. :lol
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The one that ends with "god fucking dammit Gadough"?
god fucking dammit Gadough
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Doesn't every conversation involving me end like that?
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I'm fairly new to Opeth, and it seems everyone loves them here. Their folk-type stuff is brilliant but I'm not so much a fan of their death metal side...
Does anyone have any recommendations for a n00bie?
I recommend DAMNATION.
Then get GHOST REVERIES.
And then try and expand on the discography any way you want. You can't go wrong.
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I'm fairly new to Opeth, and it seems everyone loves them here. Their folk-type stuff is brilliant but I'm not so much a fan of their death metal side...
Does anyone have any recommendations for a n00bie?
I recommend DAMNATION.
Then get GHOST REVERIES.
And then try and expand on the discography any way you want. You can't go wrong.
+1 for Damnation if you like their mellow side.
However, if growls are the issue for you then go with their latest album, Watershed. It has the fewest growls by far to kind of ease you into it.
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Doesn't every conversation involving me end like that?
Also all the ones that don't involve you.
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+1 for Damnation if you like their mellow side.
However, if growls are the issue for you then go with their latest album, Watershed. It has the fewest growls by far to kind of ease you into it.
Both Ghost Reveries and Watershed can help, so I stand corrected. Earlier Opeth is where you might have some steps back. Once you accept his lyrics into your vocal appreciation, Opeth will do wonders for you.
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Watershed is great. +1 recommendation.
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I don't really like DfN much either.
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https://www.metalinsider.net/secret-metalhead/opeth-sampled-in-hip-hop-song
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LOLOL I never thought I'd see that day.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Wish the song was better though.
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Wow, never would have thought I'd hear Opeth sampled in a rap song. Pretty good considering
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They should have sampled Blackwater Park.
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Cool to know they enjoy Opeth. Also, Nikki Minaj sampled Satriani's Always With Me, Always With You
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The song isn't too bad either.
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My life is complete.
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Me no rikey the sampling. Guest star next time. Then they'll do it right...with a 4 minute guitar solo.
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I love how so many people are saying, "WHAT A BLATANT RIP-OFF! THIS IS WHY METAL FANS HATE RAP!"
The whole point of the song is to take something from a different genre and see if it can be turned into a rap song, and the fact Opeth is mentioned in the description box shows that no one is trying to be sneaky here.
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That is amazing.
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https://www.metalinsider.net/secret-metalhead/opeth-sampled-in-hip-hop-song
:heart
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After watching Wreath being performed on the RAH DVD enough times, I'm now convinced that the studio version is played a little bit faster than necessary.
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Bring on teh flaming: https://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/43303/Opeth-Blackwater-Park/#lastpost
As you can tell, I really hope that Opeth's new album is basically even more 'out there' than Watershed. I just feel like experimenting suits them way more than the playing-it-safe that I'd argue (and tried to :lol) BWP and co. all are. Not that they're not amazing, I just feel like Opeth are a band that should be trying to push all kinds of boundaries all of the time.
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:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
BWP is the second greatest metal album of all time imo. :P
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To each their own I guess.
I just think Watershed is much more interesting, and consequently enjoyable, to me, if not strictly speaking 'better.'
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Interesting review Tom, I kinda agree with you on several points.
Even though objectively speaking BWP might be Opeth's best, it is far from being a personal favorite, and I also want Opeth to make something more 'out there'.
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Yeah, that's basically what I feel exactly. Especially as I personally think the experiments on Watershed suited the band really, really well.
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You're all wrong, Still Life is the best them.
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I don't think you should judge the older Opeth albums(or any album ever, tbh) by comparing them to what they made after.
I think it's important to keep in mind what it did to improve on the older albums, and what it did for the music scene at
that time, not today.
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True, although even in that case my point still stands that you could feel, at the time, that they had so many more innovative ideas just waiting to be put into practice. All Watershed did was to confirm that, not become the source of that feeling entirely.
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The fact that they(Mikael) had more innovative ideas than what made it on the album doesn't make the album worse than some of their other albums. What would you think of an Opeth albums that had as many ideas as all the albums from "Blackwater Park" together? Ambitious? A total mess?
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I never said that the album was worse; I actually said several times that it was objectively their best. I just personally can't enjoy it as much. And that's kind of a strawman argument to use, frankly; obviously an album using every idea they possibly had would be a mess, but if they experiment the right amount, a la Watershed, they can make much more interesting music imo.
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:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
BWP is the second greatest metal album of all time imo. :P
Second to?
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Rust in Peace.
Inb4 haters
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Well I think they are great choices for a top 2! Neither are in my top 20 albums, but they would both be in my top 50 :)
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Rust in Peace.
Inb4 haters
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wtf
how did you get footage of me
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:lol :lol
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wtf
how did you get footage of me
:rollin
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wtf
how did you get footage of me
I do not understand what you are insinuating, good sir. I find it rather hard to believe that you are a two dimensional, animator character. Please now, be more realistic.
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:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
BWP is the second greatest metal album of all time imo. :P
Second to?
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OF COURSE!
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lol MoP
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LOL
no.
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Master of Puppets? :lol :rollin
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I love MoP, much prefer it to any Opeth album :)
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You're all wrong, Still Life is the best them.
MAYH may be a little better ;)
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I love MoP, much prefer it to any Opeth album :)
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:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
BWP is the second greatest metal album of all time imo. :P
Second to?
lolno.jpg
OF COURSE!
I puked a little, put warning tags on that shit
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Some of you guys are playing a dangerous game with all these expectations. :lol
Me, I find that if I just expect nothing, I am usually pleased once I get something.
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You're all wrong, Still Life is the best them.
MAYH is a lot better ;)
Yep.
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Master of Puppets? :lol :rollin
What's wrong with it? ???
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I'm apprehensive of the next Opeth, I hope it's good. Or rather, I hope it's the same Opeth that I like - I'm sure it will be good, but I definitely prefer the Classic Opeth times to the Watershed times.
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Master of Puppets? :lol :rollin
What's wrong with it? ???
That's simple. Anybody can get past a puppet. Now Master of Tanks...next level battle maneuver.
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Master of Puppets? :lol :rollin
What's wrong with it? ???
Oh, nothing. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of it, but I wasn't being particularly serious with my comment :P It didn't exactly translate well.
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So how do you turn Opeth's longest, most "meh" song on their worst album into something awesome?
Dubstep, that's how.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxjd5oRZTs
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Dubstep, as a whole, is an awful genre.
EDIT: This was no exception. Really bad.
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Dubstep, as a whole, is an awful genre.
EDIT: This was no exception. Really bad.
This. I know some people actually like it, but I just can't stand it.
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That was pretty cool. Not my favorite form of Dubstep, but enjoyable nonetheless.
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So how do you turn Opeth's longest, most "meh" song on their worst album into something awesome?
Dubstep, that's how.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxjd5oRZTs
Nothing can beat the this Hope Leaves remix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYF1a5GnrFY&feature=related
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Yeah, love that one. I was just wondering if anyone had remixed one of Opeth's crazier songs.
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That dubstep remix was pretty bad. This is coming from an avid fan of Black Rose Immortal.
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Avid fan of Black Rose Immortal? So your musical opinion should always be disregarded? Gotcha.
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Avid fan of Black Rose Immortal? So your musical opinion should always be disregarded? Gotcha.
^
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I like Black Rose Immortal.
Which may give your statement credence, but whatever. It's a good song.
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I like Black Rose Immortal.
Which may give your statement credence, but whatever. It's a good song.
Intentional nugget?
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Actually, no, pun not intended. But nice catch. :tup
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Black Rose Immortal is a good song.
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Avid fan of Black Rose Immortal? So your musical opinion should always be disregarded? Gotcha.
Get t'fuck pal.
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I like Black Rose Immortal.
This
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Black Rose Immortal is OK.
This
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I like Black Rose Immortal.
This
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lolmorningrise
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morningrise is my favourite :'( its certainly not their best though. the atmosphere and production are really what get me. (inb4 lol bad production)
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It hit me today that i'm back into Ghost Reveries, the album got a bit stale on me, but I definitely prefer it to Watershed now.
Obligatory ranking:
Still Life
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Watershed
My Arms...
Deliverance
Morningrise
Orchid
No way am I ranking Damnation.
morningrise is my favourite :'( its certainly not their best though. the atmosphere and production are really what get me. (inb4 lol bad production)
Morningrise has a special place for me, because advent was the first Opeth song I liked :)
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There´s a big album listening session scheduled for international media early next month which is the first time anyone other than label and band will hear the album. Printed media only so it´ll take a few weeks for the articles to appear. There should be one or two ´big´ media present from most countries so you can all keep an eye out for news.
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There´s a big album listening session scheduled for international media early next month which is the first time anyone other than label and band will hear the album. Printed media only so it´ll take a few weeks for the articles to appear. There should be one or two ´big´ media present from most countries so you can all keep an eye out for news.
:caffeine: :2metal:
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Me want album title.
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I Am Excite :biggrin:
:metal :metal
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There´s a big album listening session scheduled for international media early next month which is the first time anyone other than label and band will hear the album. Printed media only so it´ll take a few weeks for the articles to appear. There should be one or two ´big´ media present from most countries so you can all keep an eye out for news.
That's the quote from Jasper (their management guy) from the Opeth forum (https://www.opethforum.com/)? In the same thread he mentioned that RR don't consider June, July and August good months for releasing albums, so it won't probably be released until September (at earliest).
EDIT: Check out this (https://www.opethforum.com/showpost.php?p=69639&postcount=133)!
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While I want this album NOWNOWNOW, I'm okay with waiting for fall. It's the best time for a good Opeth marathon, anyway.
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I'm listening to Blackwater Park for the first time ever now.
So far there hasn't been a song I don't enjoy on this album.
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I wonder why those aren't good album releasing months.
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Would rather they spread it out, Dream Theater and Opeth coming out on the same day in September would be weird.
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Are you high? New Dream Theater and new Opeth coming out on the same day would be the greatest day of my life.
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While I want this album NOWNOWNOW, I'm okay with waiting for fall. It's the best time for a good Opeth marathon, anyway.
Indeed.
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Are you high? New Dream Theater and new Opeth coming out on the same day would be the greatest day of my life.
This.
Though, tbh I would prefer about 3-4 days between the releases.
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Third page? Shame on you, DTF.
Let me rescue this joint with a CONTROVERSIAL LOLPINION: Hex Omega is the best song in Watershed.
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I might actually agree on that one.
Hex Omega is fantastic.
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I'm listening to Blackwater Park for the first time ever now.
So far there hasn't been a song I don't enjoy on this album.
You must have not gotten to Dirge For November yet.
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I'm listening to Blackwater Park for the first time ever now.
So far there hasn't been a song I don't enjoy on this album.
You must have not gotten to Dirge For November yet.
You must not have gotten to 0:01 yet
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I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
I think he is implying Dirge sucks from 0:00 to 0:01 but then it picks up and becomes quite a solid song.
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That's silly.
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How the hell can you possibly dislike that song?
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It's boring.
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the beginning section is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.
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SIGZ GON' KILL YOU BOY
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the beginning section is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.
Boring.
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Prepare your anus.
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It's boring.
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(https://i.imgur.com/9X3Rb.jpg)
Allow me.
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:rollin That one gets me every time.
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Thats brilliant.
Scary.
But still brilliant.
Also, Dirge for November is the 9 out of 10 from BWP. Sure, its a 9 out of 10...but when its surrounded by 10s it looks kinda inferior.
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Good way to describe it, Riceball. I feel the same way.
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Revised album ratings:
Orchid: 6
Morningrise: 7
My Arms, Your Hearse: 8
Still Life: 10
Blackwater Park: 9
Deliverance: 8.5
Damnation: 8
Ghost Reveries: 7.5
Watershed: 8
What a special band.
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DfN is actually probably my favorite tune off BWP with a few exceptions
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Is Dirge for November the song that starts off calm and slowly, or the one that kinda just *IN YO FACE*?
I've listened to BWP like hundred times, but I still confuse Dirge For November with The Funeral Portrait.
They are both good though, I just can't point out which is which. :biggrin:
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It's the one with that beautiful riff at the end that is repeated like 5 times.
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So it's the one starting off soft then. Cool. :tup
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Yeah, the Funeral Portrait is the one that keeps dislocating your backbone.
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Revised album ratings:
Orchid: 6
Morningrise: 7
My Arms, Your Hearse: 8
Still Life: 10
Blackwater Park: 9
Deliverance: 8.5
Damnation: 8
Ghost Reveries: 7.5
Watershed: 8
What a special band.
Putting MAYH, Damnation, and Watershed below Deliverance?
What a special poster. :biggrin:
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Well, I would probably do the same tbh.
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We all know you're special, Mootles.
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I used to not like Deliverance... Then I was like...
Wreath: pwn
Deliverance: pwn
A Fair Judgement: pwn
For Absent Friends: pwn
Master's Apprentices: pwn
By the Pain I See in Others: oh well that's still a lot of pwns
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I used to not like Deliverance... Then I was like...
Wreath: pwn
Deliverance: pwn
A Fair Judgement: pwn
For Absent Friends: pwn
Master's Apprentices: pwn
By the Pain I See in Others: oh well that's still a lot of pwns
By the Pain I See in Others is awesome.
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We all know you're special, Mootles.
Not following the stereotype does not mean I'm special.
Seeing as TheOutlawXanadu did it, I would probably rank it something like this:
Orchid - 8
Morningrise - 7,5
My Arms, Your Hearse - 8,5
Still Life - 9,5
Blackwater Park - 8,5
Deliverance - 9,5
Damnation - 8
Ghost Reveries - 9,5
Watershed - 8
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That's not what I meant. By referring to TOX as special, I was jokingly implying he was mentally challenged. When you said you would likely agree with him, I jokingly implied that we (meaning everyone) already knew you were mentally challenged, as a bit of a joke on your reputation for being controversial for the sake of it. :biggrin:
And now for some super-cool album rankings.
Orchid-6
Morninglol-3
My Arms, Your Hearse-10
Still Life-9
Blackwater Park-10
Deliverance-5
Damnation-9
Ghost Reveries-7
Watershed-9.5
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The hell is wrong with you, Ghost Reveries shits on Watershed.
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The hell is wrong with you, Ghost Reveries shits on Watershed.
Watershed is good, but this. Oh god this.
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If it weren't for Hours of Wealth and The Grand Conjuration GR might be neck-and-neck with Watershed. I just never feel like listening to it as an album. Always individual songs. When I try the whole album, I get bored with those two songs and Beneath the Mire, and it just feels worse for it *shrug* However, it does have some of Opeth's best stuff: the holy quartet of GoP/BotH/HF/IY.
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If it weren't for Hours of Wealth
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If it weren't for Hours of Wealth and The Grand Conjuration GR might be neck-and-neck with Watershed. I just never feel like listening to it as an album. Always individual songs. When I try the whole album, I get bored with those two songs and Beneath the Mire, and it just feels worse for it *shrug* However, it does have some of Opeth's best stuff: the holy quartet of GoP/BotH/HF/IY.
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Just because
Orchid - 6.5
Morningrise - 7.5
My Arms, Your Hearse - 9
Still Life - 10
Blackwater Park - 10
Deliverance - 10
Damnation - 9
Ghost Reveries - 10
Watershed - 9
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Ummmmmmmmm
Orchid - 8
Morningrise - 8
My Arms, Your Hearse - 10
Still Life - 10
Blackwater Park - 10
Deliverance - 7
Damnation - 7
Ghost Reveries - 9
Watershed - 8
Something like that.
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So why do you guys think that Deliverance/Damnation is pretty universally seen by fans as the weakest part of Opeth's discog post MAYH?
Do you think SW was a negative influence? Because his contributions on BWP were obviously awesome.
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I don't know what others think, but my theory would be that Damnation is pretty much all soft, meanwhile Deliverance is pretty much all heavy.
Considering that, they both as an album aren't as 'diverse' compared to Opeth's other albums, and that might be why people like them less.
I think the heavy/soft-ratio is what many people love about Opeth, and on Deliverance it's more heavy, and on Damnation it's more soft.
Just my theory.
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So why do you guys think that Deliverance/Damnation is pretty universally seen by fans as the weakest part of Opeth's discog post MAYH?
That's silly. There was no weak point before MAYH.
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So wait, why does everyone hate Morningrise?
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No. I love it.
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So wait, why does everyone hate Morningrise?
I honestly have no idea. I love it.
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Orchid - 7
Morningrise - 6
My Arms, Your Hearse - 8
Still Life - 9
Blackwater Park - 10
Deliverance - 8
Damnation - 27 billion
Ghost Reveries - 9
Watershed - 26.9 billion
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Oh fuck, we're doing this now? :lol
Orchid - 3
Morningrise - 8
MAYH - 8
Still Life - 9
Blackwater Park - 9
Deliverance - 10
Damnation - 8
Ghost Reveries - 10
Watershed - 6
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Best: BWP
Not quite best: GR, SL
Somewhere below that: WS, Damnation, Deliverance
Never listened to :neverusethis: : Orchid, MR, MAYH
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So wait, why does everyone hate Morningrise?
I don't hate it, but I'm not a big fan of it because I think the songwriting and riffs are much more amateur (Mikael obviously got better at guitar throughout the band's life, and, imo, more creative) than the later stuff. Top that off with weak production.
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Orchid and Morningrise are fine.
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So why do you guys think that Deliverance/Damnation is pretty universally seen by fans as the weakest part of Opeth's discog post MAYH?
That's silly. There was no weak point before MAYH.
I didn't say there was a weak point.
It's clearly a different approach to writing and style, which is why i'm not including it.
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New album HERITAGE to be released in September:
https://www.opeth.com/
https://twitter.com/#!/OfficialOpeth
www.facebook.com/Opeth
Same month as DT. Do I sense a shared tour? Just fantasizing. :biggrin:
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:caffeine:
What an epic month that will be.
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Was just about to post this.
I am excite!
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Was just about to post this.
I am excite!
Ditto :D
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Same month as DT. Do I sense a shared tour? Just fantasizing. :biggrin:
That would be sex.
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So so excited! :metal
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
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Sweet.
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It's just an album name but I'm already excited
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I've got a soft spot for Orchid and Morningrise. They've got their flaws, but they were the 1st Opeth albums I ever listened to (Blackwater Park was just released), and at the time I thought they were both amazing.
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I never would have thought of that being the title. Oh well, bring on September. I heard the album is already done but they're waiting on the 5.1 mix, that's stupid.
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I don't think I like that title very much. It seems rather...bland. Maybe it'll grow on me.
Anyway, it's not like the album title matters much. I can't fucking wait for new Opeth music. :caffeine: And a joint Opeth-DT tour would be the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of forever.
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Progressive Nation 08.
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Well it needs to happen again. :biggrin:
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Also, is there any word on who the new keyboardist is?
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Mike Portnoy
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I don't think I like that title very much. It seems rather...bland. Maybe it'll grow on me.
Anyway, it's not like the album title matters much. I can't fucking wait for new Opeth music. :caffeine: And a joint Opeth-DT tour would be the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of forever.
No. A Dear Hunter/Porcupine Tree/Coheed tour would be.
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A Dear Hunter/Porcupine Tree/Coheed tour would be.
Yeah, that would be pretty awes- OH WAIT I ALREADY SAW IT OVER THE SUMMER LOL
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If I recall correctly, Sigz rode a wave of his own manjuice to get there.
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You do remember correctly.
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The picture?
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I don't see any issue with the title of the new album, while apparently a lot of fans posting on their facebook seem to. I think it's fitting. I mean, this isn't the first time Opeth has picked a one word song title. Plus, if I remember correctly this album is supposed to have a kind of...70s feel to it. At least in some aspects. Which already relates to the album title.
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I don't see any issue with the title of the new album, while apparently a lot of fans posting on their facebook seem to. I think it's fitting. I mean, this isn't the first time Opeth has picked a one word song title. Plus, if I remember correctly this album is supposed to have a kind of...70s feel to it. At least in some aspects. Which already relates to the album title.
Apparently it's not ZOMGBLAKMETUHLGRIMDARK Enough for them or something.
I'm not sure what Akerfeldt meant by 70's feel, Did he mean production or feel?
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I don't understand the hesitation on the album name, it sounds exactly like something Opeth would name one of their albums.
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The issue with the title isn't that it's one word. Morningrise, Deliverance, Damnation, and especially Watershed all work because they invoke some kind of feeling or atmosphere. Whereas Heritage is just...a word. Maybe I'll appreciate the album title a bit more if the music reflects it. Granted, it isn't fair to judge the title of the album without hearing the music. But as of right now, I'm not sold on it.
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I would like someone to explain to me what kind of atmosphere the title "Watershed" invokes. I don't quite see how it's much different from Heritage. Hell, same goes with Orchid.
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*shrug* I don't know, when I saw the title, I was not surprised at all and I thought to myself, "Yup, sounds like an Opeth album."
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The issue with the title isn't that it's one word. Morningrise, Deliverance, Damnation, and especially Watershed all work because they invoke some kind of feeling or atmosphere. Whereas Heritage is just...a word. Maybe I'll appreciate the album title a bit more if the music reflects it. Granted, it isn't fair to judge the title of the album without hearing the music. But as of right now, I'm not sold on it.
I would say that Heritage is a word the evokes a TON of feeling and atmosphere, certainly to me anyway. More so that Watershed or Morningrise anyway.
EDIT: Or indeed Orchid. Good call Alex.
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I would like someone to explain to me what kind of atmosphere the title "Watershed" invokes. I don't quite see how it's much different from Heritage. Hell, same goes with Orchid.
Watershed, to me, sounds mysterious and spooky. I don't know why. But it does.
And I just like to pretend that Orchid doesn't exist.
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Yea, Heritage is something that brings about nostalgic, or familial feelings. Watershed is a cool name, but it doesn't really make me think of anything other than my 7th grade science class (which was pretty cool)
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I would like someone to explain to me what kind of atmosphere the title "Watershed" invokes. I don't quite see how it's much different from Heritage. Hell, same goes with Orchid.
Watershed, to me, sounds mysterious and spooky. I don't know why. But it does.
And I just like to pretend that Orchid doesn't exist.
Firstly, I can see that. But honestly, I wouldn't think that outside of the context of the album. Which I think is going to be much of the case with Heritage.
Secondly, go drink a gallon of piss.
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The title "Heritage" makes the album sound important.
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I would like someone to explain to me what kind of atmosphere the title "Watershed" invokes. I don't quite see how it's much different from Heritage. Hell, same goes with Orchid.
Watershed, to me, sounds mysterious and spooky. I don't know why. But it does.
And I just like to pretend that Orchid doesn't exist.
Firstly, I can see that. But honestly, I wouldn't think that outside of the context of the album. Which I think is going to be much of the case with Heritage.
Secondly, go drink a gallon of piss.
You're probably right. That's why I'm trying to reserve judgment until I hear the album. The music itself should warm me up to the title a bit. I'll probably end up liking it in the end.
Can it be my own or does it have to be somebody else's?
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I would like someone to explain to me what kind of atmosphere the title "Watershed" invokes. I don't quite see how it's much different from Heritage. Hell, same goes with Orchid.
Watershed, to me, sounds mysterious and spooky. I don't know why. But it does.
And I just like to pretend that Orchid doesn't exist.
Firstly, I can see that. But honestly, I wouldn't think that outside of the context of the album. Which I think is going to be much of the case with Heritage.
Secondly, go drink a gallon of piss.
You're always right. I apologize for being an ignorant southerner.
Can it be my own or does it have to be somebody else's?
I'm glad we see it the same way.
And it has to be mine. I've already sent the jar.
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Yea, Heritage is something that brings about nostalgic, or familial feelings. Watershed is a cool name, but it doesn't really make me think of anything other than my 7th grade science class (which was pretty cool)
Pretty much.
To me Watershed just means the time of evening after which British TV stations are allowed to show swearing/violence/etc. :lol
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Ignorant southerner? You don't really need the adjective there, Alex.
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Ignorant southerner? You don't really need the adjective there, Alex.
Well played, Mr. Hill. Well played.
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Hmm Heritage... I think it'll fit better when the artwork will be revealed.
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Plus, if I remember correctly this album is supposed to have a kind of...70s feel to it. At least in some aspects.
Like Road Salt? Because that would be a significant disappointment for me if it was.
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wut Road Salt is awesome.
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Plus, if I remember correctly this album is supposed to have a kind of...70s feel to it. At least in some aspects.
Like Road Salt? Because that would be a significant disappointment for me if it was.
I think Mikael said something about it being sort of fusiony or something. Hopefully nothing like Road Salt.
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Plus, if I remember correctly this album is supposed to have a kind of...70s feel to it. At least in some aspects.
Like Road Salt? Because that would be a significant disappointment for me if it was.
I think Mikael said something about it being sort of fusiony or something. Hopefully nothing like Road Salt.
I like how everybody has the same exact thought when they hear "70's feel" now. Please nothing like Road Salt.
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Heriatige sounds like a cool title, similar vein to Watershed. The bow that I would draw is that both words can mean different things to different people.
Oh, and am excite ;D
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road salt is a cool album, all of you are boner fluffers
and what the fuck does it even have to do with Opeth
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wut Road Salt is awesome.
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road salt is a cool album, all of you are boner fluffers
and what the fuck does it even have to do with Opeth
The notion of a recent album having a "70's sound".
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Heritage is a really great title. If it says anything about the sound of the album it makes me even more excited about the album.
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Yeah, I like it.
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Guys, DT+Opeth in September :metal :metal :metal
I can't explain how excited I am for this!
I don't get the hate on the album title... When I saw it I thought, "Yep that's Opeth" If anything I think HERITAGE is a pretty pretty pretty good album title!
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road salt is a cool album, all of you are boner fluffers
and what the fuck does it even have to do with Opeth
The notion of a recent album having a "70's sound".
Which too be honest all the Inside Out "New Retro Prog" bands have been doing since the 90s and it still doesn't sound good. Road Salt's just a recent example where I found it to go horribly wrong. Except for "Sisters."
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Mike Portnoy
I laughed :rollin
Good name too.
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I like the name sounds like an Opeth album.
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road salt is a cool album, all of you are boner fluffers
and what the fuck does it even have to do with Opeth
The notion of a recent album having a "70's sound".
Which too be honest all the Inside Out "New Retro Prog" bands have been doing since the 90s and it still doesn't sound good. Road Salt's just a recent example where I found it to go horribly wrong. Except for "Sisters."
I just don't see how it's that bad. Daniel said from the beginning that the album would have a dirty sound and, I quote, sound like "1976 on steroids".
but anyway i've never been terribly anal about production on albums so I'm sure I'll like it if it's good, and since Watershed is Opeth's best album so far i have high hopes.
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Heritage sounds like a great title! :metal
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Heritage sounds like a great title! :metal
I concur. Besides, they'll find a way to make it grim and evil.
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Sonata, I don't really follow PoS, so I wouldn't have known thats how Daniel was marketing it, but regardless I'm just not a fan of that style 99% of the time.
You win for loving Watershed though.
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Swedish progressive metallers OPETH will release their tenth album, "Heritage", on September 20 via Roadrunner Records. The CD was produced by OPETH vocalist/guitarist Mikael Åkerfeldt and was recorded earlier this year at Atlantis studios (formerly Metronome studios) in Stockholm. Mixing duties were handled by Steven Wilson (PORCUPINE TREE) and Åkerfeldt. Longtime collaborator Travis Smith also worked with Åkerfeldt to create, design and execute the album's artwork.
"Heritage" will be released in several configurations that will certainly incite the interest of OPETH's legion of fans, known for their passion for collecting and collectibles. The album will be released as a standard version; as a special edition loaded with extras; as a box set exclusive to the Roadrunner and the band's own official Omerch webstore; and as a double LP. There is something for every OPETH fan, thanks to this variety of options.
Commented Åkerfeldt, "It will be our 10th album/observation. I dig it; we all do. In fact, it feels like I've been building up to write for and participate on an album like this since I was 19."
Åkerfeldt went a little deeper and described the music contained within "Heritage", saying, "It's quite intense at times in some 'old' murky way, and quite beautiful and stark at times, if I may say so myself.
"It's obvious I'm going to say nice things about it since I wrote, basically, the whole piece, but I guess it will raise a few eyebrows and it certainly is an acquired taste.
"I think you'll need a slightly deeper understanding of our music as a whole to be able to appreciate this record.
"I've realized my influences for this album are so diverse that I can't really say what it sounds like.
"If I can compare it to any other band, it would have to be OPETH, but it's different from the stuff we've done before.
"I've listened a lot to ALICE COOPER for the last year, yet I can't say it sounds like 'No More Mr. Nice Guy'.
"I hope you'll like it once you hear it."
"Heritage" track listing:
01. Heritage
02. The Devil's Orchard
03. I Feel The Dark
04. Slither
05. Nepenthe
06. Haxprocess
07. Famine
08. The Lines In My Hand
09. Folklore
10. Marrow Of The Earth
OPETH will embark on a seven-week, headline tour of the U.S. Dates will be announced imminently.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=158656
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Marrow of the Earth :metal
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Awesome track titles. Also - 10 songs? That's alot for an Opeth album. Should be interesting to see how long they are.
Looking forward to seeing the artwork also.
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FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKK YYYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Sounds awesome! I'm pumped for tour dates as well.
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This is sounding like the perfect Opeth album for me.
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No album length yet then? :(
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10 songs?
Interesting, just by reading all of this I'm even more excited about the album.
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Those are some really great track names. So evil sounding :metal
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i just shit myself
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10 songs means that most of them are less than 10 minutes. Good to know they're continuing to sell themselves out like they did with Watershed.
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Haxprocess
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"Heritage" track listing:
01. Heritage
02. The Devil's Orchard
03. I Feel The Dark
04. Slither
05. Nepenthe
06. Haxprocess
07. Famine
08. The Lines In My Hand
09. Folklore
10. Marrow Of The Earth
:metal
Does anyone know if it's available for preorder just yet?
Also, Häxprocess means Witch Trial in swedish.
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10 songs means that most of them are less than 10 minutes. Good to know they're continuing to sell themselves out like they did with Watershed.
Wow, really? That's what you take from this?
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10 songs means that most of them are less than 10 minutes. Good to know they're continuing to sell themselves out like they did with Watershed.
Wow, really? That's what you take from this?
Could be a two disc for all we know.
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10 songs means that most of them are less than 10 minutes. Good to know they're continuing to sell themselves out like they did with Watershed.
Wow, really? That's what you take from this?
Could be a two disc for all we know.
Could be a joke, could be a statement
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10 songs means that most of them are less than 10 minutes. Good to know they're continuing to sell themselves out like they did with Watershed.
Wow, really? That's what you take from this?
Sigz be trollin.
I know this because MAYH is one of Sigz's favorite Opeth albums, and as we all know, MAYH contains the shortest average song length, with most songs under the ten minute mark.
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"I Feel the Dark"
lol
EDIT: OMG IAN
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Well, I got owned. :facepalm:
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The only reason I even made that post was that I hoped someone would respond seriously and then I could use that gif. You did just that, thus are a winner in my book. :heart
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Cool tracklisting, really looking forward to this :metal
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Figured Sigz would be trolling. Anyways, love the track names! Especially "Slither." That just oozes creepiness. Now I'm ready to hear some tour dates!
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The only reason I even made that post was that I hoped someone would respond seriously and then I could use that gif. You did just that, thus are a winner in my book. :heart
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10 songs, nice. Can't wait till dates are announced.
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Pretty psyched for this.
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Couple of things:
Heritage? I thought they were moving away from the old sound even more than Watershed?
Marrow of the Earth? Is that a poke at Agalloch's Marrow of the Spirit?
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Heritage... sounds like my Grandma's collection of porcelain dinnerware. I've always found Opeth music to contain strong elements of 60's/70's music anyway.
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I like how no one even bothers to assume there might be a transition track somewhere in here, making room for some lengthier tracks.
But seriously now, I am so looking forward to this. And a U.S. tour better mean Seattle again.
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I was thinking that, I just didn't say it. I'm assuming that the title track will serve as an intro...perhaps something short and sweet like Coil.
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Can't wait! :metal
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Heritage... sounds like my Grandma's collection of porcelain dinnerware. I've always found Opeth music to contain strong elements of 60's/70's music anyway.
Porcelain Heart...nuggetz :)
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:metal :metal :metal The Devil's Orchard :metal :metal :metal
....Also, 10 tracks? Definitely some shorter ones on the way.....
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i am excited
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we we we so excited
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Be right back I gotta change my underwear really quick :metal :metal
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I didn't know Mikael is a fan of Sentenced! :lol For those who don't know, Sentenced was a great metal band from Finland and they had a song called Nepenthe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55oEnYKhVM).
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The titles sound amazing!
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Holy crap, they released a clip of The Devil's Orchard already! Sounds amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
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Holy crap, they released a clip of The Devil's Orchard already! Sounds amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
(https://i.imgur.com/Xi85L.jpg)
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Holy crap, they released a clip of The Devil's Orchard already! Sounds amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
:rollin :rollin
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Holy crap, they released a clip of The Devil's Orchard already! Sounds amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
I can definitely tell the Alice Cooper influences there!!
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Holy crap, they released a clip of The Devil's Orchard already! Sounds amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
You fucking little bitch :lol
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You know, it's hard to properly Fridayroll people when there's a FUCKING ADVERTISEMENT THAT PLAYS BEFORE THE SONG. :angry:
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You know, it's hard to properly Fridayroll people when there's a FUCKING ADVERTISEMENT THAT PLAYS BEFORE THE SONG. :angry:
Adblock + Firefox = whenever I hear other people talking about ads before Youtube videos, I get confused.
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So apparently Opeth are going on a seven week US tour when Heritage comes out. I will see them no matter what. I am pumped.
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Holy crap, they released a clip of The Devil's Orchard already! Sounds amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
I can already tell that shall be their best song yet.
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So apparently Opeth are going on a seven week US tour when Heritage comes out. I will see them no matter what. I am pumped.
I'm seeing them this summer at a metal festival in Toronto...depending on the length of their set, I might just have to go see them again.
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So apparently Opeth are going on a seven week US tour when Heritage comes out. I will see them no matter what. I am pumped.
I'm seeing them this summer at a metal festival in Toronto...depending on the length of their set, I might just have to go see them again.
All of this.
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So apparently Opeth are going on a seven week US tour when Heritage comes out. I will see them no matter what. I am pumped.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I know FtBD7 and I are in for Chicago.
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^^^ Yes we are.
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They better come to the UK!!! :metal
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They better come to the UK!!! :metal
They will, always do as of late.
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They better come to the UK!!! :metal
They'd better come to Pittsburgh or Cleveland. As many bands do, though, I fear they'll only hit the Philly area and ignore my side of the state.
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My friend is seeing Opeth at Bonnaroo in less than two weeks. I told him if he sees a new song live, I'll hate him forever.
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I'm seeing them at Heavy TO July 23. I hope I get a new song!
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I hope they come to Montréal again. I'm not sure if I want to pay a full day fare to see them in July.
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Question time: If the new Opeth album is totally different from anything they have ever done, how will you feel?
Will you honestly be able to listen to it with a 100% open mind anyway? Will a part of you be mad their style is so different? Will you be happy they have moved on from what they are known for?
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I hope they come to Montréal again. I'm not sure if I want to pay a full day fare to see them in July.
Yeah, me too. They're like the only good band on the festival this year.
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I hope they come to Montréal again. I'm not sure if I want to pay a full day fare to see them in July.
Yeah, me too. They're like the only good band on the festival this year.
That's why I'm going to Heavy T.O. instead.
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Question time: If the new Opeth album is totally different from anything they have ever done, how will you feel?
Will you honestly be able to listen to it with a 100% open mind anyway? Will a part of you be mad their style is so different? Will you be happy they have moved on from what they are known for?
I really want it to be massively different. Not because I don't like their style, but because Watershed is by far their best imo, and that seemed like their biggest 'leap' thus far.
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Question time: If the new Opeth album is totally different from anything they have ever done, how will you feel?
Will you honestly be able to listen to it with a 100% open mind anyway? Will a part of you be mad their style is so different? Will you be happy they have moved on from what they are known for?
Watershed seemed like their biggest 'leap' thus far.
If it's different as in it goes even further in the direction that Watershed was exploring, by all means lets have it.
If not, well then by all fucking means bring it on.
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Question time: If the new Opeth album is totally different from anything they have ever done, how will you feel?
Will you honestly be able to listen to it with a 100% open mind anyway? Will a part of you be mad their style is so different? Will you be happy they have moved on from what they are known for?
I'm open to anything they produce, as long as it isn't one-dimensional (like Damnation, despite it being amazing anyways). Mikael is my favorite songwriter, so I'm confident that I can enjoy anything he creates.
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Question time: If the new Opeth album is totally different from anything they have ever done, how will you feel?
Will you honestly be able to listen to it with a 100% open mind anyway? Will a part of you be mad their style is so different? Will you be happy they have moved on from what they are known for?
I'm open to anything they produce, as long as it isn't one-dimensional (like Damnation, despite it being amazing anyways). Mikael is my favorite songwriter, so I'm confident that I can enjoy anything he creates.
Pretty much this.
I'm sure the new record will be different but it will still be Opeth.
I am sure it will be fantastic! We just need to approach with an open mind. :metal
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From Opeth's Facebook : "Something to show you in 30 mins... don't go away :)"
I wonder what it is. I hope it's a song from the "Heritage". Anyway, i am exicite :metal
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I'm thinking artwork, track lengths or something.
A new song would really surprise me, but who knows :)
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omg new song would be amazing
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It's pretty early for a new song. Although, if they're going to be playing anything new at their upcoming festival shows I can see them releasing a song kind of like DT did with their European tour before BC&SL came out.
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Artwork before new song, plz
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omgomgomg
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Artwork along with new song, plz
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:omg: :omg: :omg:
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"Something to show you in 30 mins... don't go away :)
30 minutes ago"
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY SOMETHING
Edit: Oh, there it is
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COVER ART!! IT"S UP!! :metal
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What the fuck is that? :lol
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I think we time-traveled to the seventies :lol
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That's so completely unlike any of their previous cover art I'm forced to love it. :lol
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It's simultaneously awesome and hilarious. Don't know what the fuck it means, but I like it.
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I just...
uh...
wtf
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It's different, but I really like it. :hat
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I don't remember, have they announced the new keyboardist yet? If not, does one of those faces look familiar to anyone? :lol
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I love it!
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Just realized something about the artwork
"The Devil's Orchard"
nuggetz
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I like how Per's the one who's head is falling out of the tree.
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OMG it just screams '70s progressive rock' ;D
Pretty cool though :metal
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I like how Per's the one who's head is falling out of the tree.
I guess that is Per, isn't it?
I like how Per is on the cover when he isn't in the band.
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Oh jesus christ.
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@Panda Yeah but he played on the album so they're giving him proper credit. It would be weird to not have him on the cover with the other band members.
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I like how Per's the one who's head is falling out of the tree.
I guess that is Per, isn't it?
I like how Per is on the cover when he isn't in the band.
Yeah but maybe he has contributed with stuff, music-wise.
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Oh alright, I thought he left before the recording but that'd make sense.
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Seriously can't wait for this record to come out! :metal
When do you guys figure they'll release the first song?
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Seriously can't wait for this record to come out! :metal
When do you guys figure they'll release the first song?
Hopefully as soon as possible.
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If the album sound anything like how the cover looks I'm pretty excited for it. :lol
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Fuck fuck wow wow wow wow wow :hefdaddy
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When I first saw the cover - wtf is this shit?
5 seconds later - THIS IS AWESOME
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I think this is their best cover yet, Watershed is 2nd.
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I think this is their best cover yet, Watershed is 2nd.
BWP is the best album cover, you big silly. All those ominous figures slowly approaching in the distance...
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I really, really don't like it :sadpanda:
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I really, really don't like it :sadpanda:
You and half of the commenters on facebook. There are some great ones. :lol
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HOLY TITS THATS AWESOME
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I'm in love with that art. So cool!
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Now that's what I call album art.
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I want to get this album on vinyl so I can get the big artwork.
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I...I don't know what to say.
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The people lined up from the burning city taking the heads from the tree is pretty wicked. Also love the humor of Mikael using their heads as apples...
Also, could the skulls be past members
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I count 10 skulls. There's 13 past members according to Wikipedia.
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WTF is that!? :lol
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The skulls could be past members, but according to wikipedia they're one short, unless there's supposed to be one hidden in back or something.
I count 10 skulls. There's 13 past members according to Wikipedia.
I count 11 skulls, and there are only supposed to be 12 skulls since Per is falling from the tree.
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Just spent like twenty minutes looking at the artwork and it's rife with symbolism.
Besides the obvious Devil's Orchard, You can see the land is dry and the people are lining up to pick fruit from the tree, the only one bearing fruit in all the land due to the "Famine" (the 7th track)
The cut away view of the earth shwoing the roots may reference they "slither" through "The Marrow of The Earth"
/fanboyanalysis
I seriously can't wait for this album :metal
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I feel this is the best cover art I've seen in a while. No digital crap, just plain pencil/brush/paint art. By the artwork, this is gonna be one hell of a record walking through The Devils Orchard.
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I completely anticipated that.
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I would like it without the heads.
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It represents fans taking from the Opeth tree and enjoying the fruits it bears.
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I really, really don't like it :sadpanda:
That's because you hate everything that looks or sounds like it was done earlier than this century. :P
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I would like it without the heads.
This. I mean, putting the faces of the bandmembers on a studio album from a band like Opeth seems kind of lame, to be honest. I'd rather they be skulls as well, or apples, or nothing at all.
Its very very interesting artwork, to say the least. Not what I'd expect from Opeth at all. I'm not really sure if I like it, but I did chuckle when I noticed Per's head was falling out of the tree and the connection of skulls to past members is nifty.
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I really hope the faces are only there for the lulz today. The rest is great, but damn those faces.
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I count 11 skulls and Per falling from the tree.
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I really, really don't like it :sadpanda:
That's because you hate everything that looks or sounds like it was done earlier than this century. :P
What, no I don't! I admittedly don't listen to much older music lately, but I still like it. I mean, before I was into DT all of my favorite bands were classic rock and prog bands.
Coincidentally, my most played song this week on last.fm is 'Bus Stop' by The Hollies :lol
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I really, really don't like it :sadpanda:
That's because you hate everything that looks or sounds like it was done earlier than this century. :P
Coincidentally, my most played song this week on last.fm is 'Bus Stop' by The Hollies :lol
:heart
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I really, really don't like it :sadpanda:
That's because you hate everything that looks or sounds like it was done earlier than this century. :P
Coincidentally, my most played song this week on last.fm is 'Bus Stop' by The Hollies :lol
:heart
dem harmonies :heart :heart :heart
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What an amazing cover! Seriously, I love it! I've never been keen on band members including pictures of themselves on album covers but in this case I'm pretty sure they're doing it ironically to celebrate the '70s sound Heritage supposedly has. So yeah, awesome!
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That album cover is seriously unlike anything they've ever done, it's bright and dark at the same time. It appears that Mikael's 70's influences are coming out fully.....it straight up reminds me of King Crimson lol.
But it is badass.
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https://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php?newsid=18209
look at all these negative comments. wtf?
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I would like it without the heads.
This.
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I love how with every album akerfeldt is trying to eliminate the metal purist part of their fanbase :lol
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I would like it without the heads.
This.
I don't see the problem with the heads.
I see them as the sinister fruits of the demons in the roots, The Heirs Apparent to their dark Heritage.
:hat
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Lets be honest man, none of the band members really look "sinister." Especially when they're disembodied heads on a tree.
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Lets be honest man, none of the band members really look "sinister." Especially when they're disembodied heads on a tree.
I meant that as more of a reference to their music than the band members.
Also, on the left you can see a hooded woman standing near the red lake, similar to the cover of Still Life.
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Well, if anyone still thought RoadRunner has been influencing Opeth's music since 2005, there's now absolutely no reason to think it. That label is probably shitting itself right now.
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holy out-of-left-field-artwork, batman!
so color, so powah!
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Yeah, the cover pretty much blows.
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Wow, it's not until I read comments outside of this forum regarding the music I like that I realise how stupid some people are.
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Yup...Its a beautiful piece of art. Has fine details. Can't wait to see the art for the linear notes.
From the look of the cover, the album feels it'll be interesting but dark.
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The heads completely ruin it IMO. It'd be alright if they weren't there.
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The heads completely ruin it IMO. It'd be alright if they weren't there.
Yeah, this.
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I've decided that I love it.
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Well, so far, that cover easily wins best cover of 2011.
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Well, so far, that cover easily wins best cover of 2011.
Iaindeed.
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I really dig that cover art, this should be an amazing album! For those who don't like it because of the heads: what's wrong with the heads?
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Without the heads:
(https://i.imgur.com/21VYQ.png)
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Wait, which one is the official one?
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Wow, looks so much cooler without the heads.
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The one with the heads. The one without is probably a shoop.
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The one with the heads. The one without is probably a shoop.
Yup.
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wtf
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The one with the heads. The one without is probably a shoop.
Yup.
Agree. What a huge difference!
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I agree that it looks a little cooler without the heads, but I don't think it looks bad with the heads and still don't get what the problem with the heads is. I guess sometimes a band just wants to put themselves on their album cover? That used to be the standard back in the day, I'm pretty sure every Beatles album cover had their heads on it in one form of another, just to name one band.
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Wow, looks so much cooler without the heads.
Despite what I said before, yeah, it totally does.
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Yeah, fusion bands especially often put their faces on their covers back in the 70s and 80s. The Opeth one kinda reminds me of a dark Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy by Return to Forever.
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in the span of 3 months:
New Opeth
New DT
New PoS
New Symphony X
Not too shabby. :P
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Gotta say, diggin that cover. head's and all... :lol
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*Facepalm*
THE ALBUM BETTER BE GOOD
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in the span of 3 months:
New Opeth
New DT
New PoS
New Symphony X
Not too shabby. :P
we gotz a p.o.s. release date?!
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Without the heads:
Looks SOOO much better.
The heads just look like a really chintzy photoshop job.
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I am not one of those haters and I usually look at almost everything with an open mind but I am not a fan of this cover.
Don't get me wrong, I am still very excited for this album but DAMN...
However, Mikael did say that the album will raise some eye brows which it did for me already. I also don't really get why the heads are there especially PERs... I know he contributed to the music but I think Travis Smith should have scratched the idea of the heads.
Oh well, I'm still very excited for this though and who knows maybe, I might change my mind about the cover.
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Monday :)
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in the span of 3 months:
New Opeth
New DT
New PoS
New Symphony X
Not too shabby. :P
we gotz a p.o.s. release date?!
From Wikipedia: "On March 9, 2011, Daniel Gildenlöw announced on his Facebook page, that 'Road Salt Two' will be mixed and mastered in mid-May 2011, released in September 2011, and is said to have a darker sound than Road Salt One."
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Monday :)
:caffeine:
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What's happening Monday? Tour dates?
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From Wikipedia: "On March 9, 2011, Daniel Gildenlöw announced on his Facebook page, that 'Road Salt Two' will be mixed and mastered in mid-May 2011, released in September 2011, and is said to have a darker sound than Road Salt One."
Yeah but it's a Pain of Salvation release date so don't forget to add 6 months to what you're initially given.
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k, still nothing too concrete. here i thought i really missed something.
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What's happening Monday? Tour dates?
I'm curious about this as well.
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it would be cool if they toured with another progressive/metal/etc act like Anathema, Katatonia or Pain of Salvation as their guests.
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it would be cool if they toured with another progressive/metal/etc act like Anathema, Katatonia or Pain of Salvation as their guests.
Opeth have a couple of shows lined up in Romania with Katatonia in just a few days if I'm not mistaken.
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it would be cool if they toured with another progressive/metal/etc act like Anathema, Katatonia or Pain of Salvation as their guests.
Opeth have a couple of shows lined up in Romania with Katatonia in just a few days if I'm not mistaken.
Bringing them to the states is kind of a big deal though, have they ever been here before?
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it would be cool if they toured with another progressive/metal/etc act like Anathema, Katatonia or Pain of Salvation as their guests.
Opeth have a couple of shows lined up in Romania with Katatonia in just a few days if I'm not mistaken.
Bringing them to the states is kind of a big deal though, have they ever been here before?
Katatonia were stateside last year. Here's a list of shows.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=138417
Too bad none of those shows were near me, I'd love to see them. :-\
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The no heads one is awesome!
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I was REALLY surprised by that cover! :omg: I was expecting some dark-colored typical Opeth cover. I liked the version without heads better, though. This may be another sign of the change in their music!
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This may be another sign of the change in their music!
They aren't really signs. MA has already said countless times that the new album will be drastically different.
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Yeah, but I meant that now even those who haven't read interviews will understand that this isn't a typical Opeth album.
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it would be cool if they toured with another progressive/metal/etc act like Anathema, Katatonia or Pain of Salvation as their guests.
That could be cool.
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Man, that cover is not what I want from Opeth at all. They went from their best cover to one of their worst in the space of one album. Still, I guess it suits the vibe of what they've been saying about the actual music.
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:metal evil album cover
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From their FB page:
"It is with deep regret that we have had to pull out of the planned show in Bucharest on June 5th, this is due to the failure of certain contractual economic conditions not being met. Best endeavors are being made to reschedule the date, and more information will be posted at a later date. In the meantime it is suggested that ticket holders return to ticket outlets for refunds."
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I think I like the artwork. I'm more a fan of non-buzy and "simple" art but anyway, it's quite original. And very different from their other covers as well!
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It loses something without the heads.
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Its my second fave Opeth cover, after BWP. Actually now that I think about it it may even be my favourite!
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it would be cool if they toured with another progressive/metal/etc act like Anathema,
Yes please!
Katatonia or Pain of Salvation as their guests.
No and no, thanks
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SPOILERS about the album (stop reading here if you don't want to hear them!), I'll write them in small text:
Finnish Inferno magazine made a report (https://www.inferno.fi/blogi-opeth-heritage-ilm-20-9-4914/) from the pre-listening session of Heritage. The text is in Finnish, so here's a short summary:
-The album was played to journalists in 5.1 surround sound
-NO death metal or growling
-Some bands or styles the album reminded the journalist of: Sabbath, Beatles, jazz, King Crimson, Cream, Rainbow, Floyd, funk, Purple, Piirpauke, classical music, My Dying Bride, folk, Love, Jethro Tull, Maiden…
-Mikael said that he's been bored of death metal since 90's and its time is over for Opeth, and he's wanted to do this kind of album since when he was 20
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Sounds pretty interesting tbh.
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I forgot to mention: the album is approximately 56 minutes long. (I guess mentioning length shouldn't ruin the listening experience!) Heritage was mastered by a guy who's worked with Pink Floyd and David Bowie (his name wasn't mentioned).
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No growling? I was worried about that. Oh well. If it worked for Damnation, it can work for this one as well. Maybe the no growling part will cause certain people to give it a chance. *stares at Nick*
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Damnation has no growls and it's very good, but...I'm disappointed
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I am very excited!
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Wow, interesting news!
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Damnation has no growls and it's very good, but...I'm disappointed
Same...
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I have a feeling this album is gonna be a love it or hate it....on current news I think I'll be in the former camp. I'm a big fan of that 70s sound, but I know quite a few people aren't. Hopefully it retains a lot of modern touches too.
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This will be verrrry interesting indeed. Non-ballad, proggy Opeth album with no death metal or growling is going to be weird as heck. I hope its good!
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I'm all of the sudden not looking forward to this album....
like at all.
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I'm so excited for this. No death metal is kind of sad, but Mikael is one of my favorite songwriters, and I want to see what else he can do. He'll never do another death metal record as good as SL or BWP, so why not move on?
Only possible problem here is that his vocal range is usually quite limited, so there is always a risk of his voice becoming monotonous.
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I love how some people are getting so butthurt over this.
HOW DARE A BAND EXPERIMENT WITH THEIR SOUND
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There are def. some nuggets on that artwork :)
Stars represent the amount of albums that they have
The skulls are the past band members
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I love how some people are getting so butthurt over this.
HOW DARE A BAND EXPERIMENT WITH THEIR SOUND
Exactly.
I am very excited about this album, especially now.
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I love how some people are getting so butthurt over this.
HOW DARE A BAND EXPERIMENT WITH THEIR SOUND
This. I mean, if it were a pop band I'd be fine with it, but a prog band... Prog is just not the type of genre where you can experiment and change your sound.
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I love how some people are getting so butthurt over this.
HOW DARE A BAND EXPERIMENT WITH THEIR SOUND
Exactly.
I am very excited about this album, especially now.
Me too. I love me some Opeth, but after already owning Still Life, Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, and Watershed, I really don't see the point in them doing another death prog metal album. There's four great ones right there. They can't really top that, so why bore everyone by trying?
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I'm all for experimentation, but frankly most of Opeth's experimentation outside the realm of their 'normal' sound hasn't impressed me all that much :-\ And I really don't see what's experimental about hearkening back to forty year old music.
But of course, this is all based off an album cover and a few bullet points from some website, so we'll just have to wait and see.
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After that cover and those "spoilers", my exitment levels have fucking soared. Seriously.
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Sigz, this is Mikael Akerfeldt we're talking about.
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I'm so excited for this. No death metal is kind of sad, but Mikael is one of my favorite songwriters, and I want to see what else he can do. He'll never do another death metal record as good as SL or BWP, so why not move on?
Only possible problem here is that his vocal range is usually quite limited, so there is always a risk of his voice becoming monotonous.
He's one of my favourite singers, so I really couldn't disagree more.
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Oooo...this is gonna be interesting. How many fans will complain and say Opeth sold out.
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Oooo...this is gonna be interesting. How many fans will complain and say Opeth sold out.
That will depend on how long the songs are. :neverusethis:
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Oooo...this is gonna be interesting. How many fans will complain and say Opeth sold out.
Based on what we've already seen, about 95% of them.
I say good riddance.
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I don't see how anyone could accuse them of selling out. They're doing the exact opposite. Sure, they're changing their style, but they're actually moving into less-commercial territory. I'd say br00tal heavy music is much more "in" right now than retro 70's-style prog. People may not like the new direction, but I don't think anyone will cry "sellout!"
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I don't really give a fuck what they do as long as it's good.
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I kind of expected that there wouldn't be growls on it.
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I think this could be one of Opeth's best.
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I don't see how anyone could accuse them of selling out. They're doing the exact opposite. Sure, they're changing their style, but they're actually moving into less-commercial territory. I'd say br00tal heavy music is much more "in" right now than retro 70's-style prog. People may not like the new direction, but I don't think anyone will cry "sellout!"
I could easily see plenty of fans crying sellout. The term is usually applied, quite inappropriately, when a few narrow-minded fans rage over their favorite band not taking the direction they want them to take.
I'm very interested to hear the new record now. I'm also a little stunned by Mikael's comment that death metal is "over" for Opeth. This could be compared to Ulver departure from black metal or Anathema's departure from doom metal--not as extreme, sure, but the similarities are there.
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....Did I miss something? Where are people getting confirmation that there's no growling on this disc?
But if it's true, it'll be good, as it is the great Opeth we're talking about. Watershed had less growling considerably, and it's still a great album, so I have complete faith.
EDIT: Nvm, I found the quote.
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Wow. That's pretty bold, I'm excited though.
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The whole 70's-thing is kinda popular now though, just take Pain of Salvation's Road Salt, lots of new bands sounding more "70's", and the fact that bands like The Beatles are having new waves of remastered albums and such, personally I'd say the music from the 70's hasn't been this 'popular' since the 70's itself.
Lots of bands that has been doing music for a while goes back to a bit older influences, as much as newer bands forming their sound a bit after how it used to sound.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing or that Opeth are selling out, because I'm really intrigued by the changes they're making.
Going back to a 70's type of sound could be considered "selling out", at least in the terms of that music being more hip now then a few years ago, but in the case with Opeth, I don't think that will be the case.
We all know that Mikael is heavily influenced by a lot of obscure older music, Captain Beefheart for example, so I'm fairly sure the new music will have a more 'odd' or 'unique' vibe to it. :hat
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The whole 70's-thing is kinda popular now though, just take Pain of Salvation's Road Salt, lots of new bands sounding more "70's", and the fact that bands like The Beatles are having new waves of remastered albums and such, personally I'd say the music from the 70's hasn't been this 'popular' since the 70's itself.
Lots of bands that has been doing music for a while goes back to a bit older influences, as much as newer bands forming their sound a bit after how it used to sound.
I agree with this for the most part.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing or that Opeth are selling out, because I'm really intrigued by the changes they're making.
Going back to a 70's type of sound could be considered "selling out", at least in the terms of that music being more hip now then a few years ago, but in the case with Opeth, I don't think that will be the case.
We all know that Mikael is heavily influenced by a lot of obscure older music, Captain Beefheart for example, so I'm fairly sure the new music will have a more 'odd' or 'unique' vibe to it. :hat
I don't agree with this.
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You don't agree with what exactly? ;)
I didn't mean that Opeth are selling out, quite the opposite to be honest, or well, "selling out" is kinda a term I dislike.
The next album will surely be different, and that's the most important thing for me, every album has to have 'something' that makes it different from the rest. ;)
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And I really don't see what's experimental about hearkening back to forty year old music.
But of course, this is all based off an album cover and a few bullet points from some website, so we'll just have to wait and see.
This is kind of my view as well, but Crack the Skye was hugely influenced by the 70s (the band used 70s equipment, all those crazy bits in The Last Baron, etc.), and they actually created something totally unique and modern. I hope that's what happens to Opeth, rather than an album with a mindset of "lets do blues-style power anthems with lots of mellotron and organs." I can see it being really good or really bad. Honestly, I could see this album having songs with the same kind of sound as "The Throat of Winter" and "Burden," but while they are good songs, I've since become indifferent to them. So I hope the album has more staying power than that.
Lots of hopes, but I am eagerly waiting to hear it and to have any doubts quelled.
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I don't think it's going to really sound like a 70s album. Sure they'll be influences, but I'm not expecting to hear a Road Salt or a Deep Purple album or anything.
It's going to be drastically different from anything we've heard before.
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I've actually been anticipating this 'change' in direction for a longer time to be honest.
There's nothing wrong with having a sound and sticking to it, but I've always wanted Opeth to try more new stuff, or shake things up, and do something they haven't done before.
If Mikael stops growling completely, then it's a bit sad seeing how great he is at it, and the extra dimension it adds to the band's sound.
I'd kinda love to still have the growl-vocals, though maybe not as much.
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It'll be heavy but not heavy as in Distorted guitars. Musically heavy. This and DT are the albums I'm anticipating for the year...
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I hope that's what happens to Opeth, rather than an album with a mindset of "lets do blues-style power anthems with lots of mellotron and organs."
I hear the new album will be nothing but different interpretations of their cover of Soldier of Fortune.
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I'm so excited for this. No death metal is kind of sad, but Mikael is one of my favorite songwriters, and I want to see what else he can do. He'll never do another death metal record as good as SL or BWP, so why not move on?
Only possible problem here is that his vocal range is usually quite limited, so there is always a risk of his voice becoming monotonous.
He's one of my favourite singers, so I really couldn't disagree more.
He's one of my favorite singers too. Just throwing it out there.
And I really don't see what's experimental about hearkening back to forty year old music.
In the context of music as a whole, harkening back to forty year-old music is not experimental. In the context of Opeth's music, it is. The guys are taking a huge chance with it, they have no idea whether people will think it works or not, and it's a radical departure in style that's unlike anything they've ever done. "Experimental" is a perfect description.
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I hope that's what happens to Opeth, rather than an album with a mindset of "lets do blues-style power anthems with lots of mellotron and organs."
I hear the new album will be nothing but different interpretations of their cover of Soldier of Fortune.
:lol :lol :lol
But yeah, I'm seriously pumped for this album.
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Opeth with new Keyboard-player Joakim Svalberg
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=213760278655886&set=a.148844318480816.20810.111584388873476&type=1&theater
Edit: In french
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Cool. Looks like he fits right in.
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Is he an official member of the band, or kind of like what Per W was in the beginning?
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Opeth with new Keyboard-player Joakim Svalberg
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=213760278655886&set=a.148844318480816.20810.111584388873476&type=1&theater
Edit: In french
Happy bunch.
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U.S. Tourdates announced!
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=158945
Sep. 19 - Worcester, MA - Palladium
Sep. 20 - Hartford, CT - Webster Theatre
Sep. 21 - New York, NY - Webster Hall
Sep. 22 - New York, NY - Webster Hall
Sep. 26 - Columbus, OH - Newport Music Hall
Sep. 28 - Nashville, TN - Cannery Ballroom
Sep. 29 - Charlotte, NC - Amos’ Southend
Oct. 06 - Kansas City, MO - Beaumont Club
Oct. 08 - Winnipeg, MB - Garrick Centre
Oct. 16 - Portland, OR - Roseland Theater
Oct. 21 - Pomona, CA - The Fox Theater
Oct. 25 - Denver, CO - Ogden Theater
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Is he an official member of the band, or kind of like what Per W was in the beginning?
The little text say that he's not yet an official member.
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Oct. 21 - Pomona, CA - The Fox Theater
Fuck. Yes.
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U.S. Tourdates announced!
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=158945
Sep. 19 - Worcester, MA - Palladium
Sep. 20 - Hartford, CT - Webster Theatre
Sep. 21 - New York, NY - Webster Hall
Sep. 22 - New York, NY - Webster Hall
Sep. 26 - Columbus, OH - Newport Music Hall
Sep. 28 - Nashville, TN - Cannery Ballroom
Sep. 29 - Charlotte, NC - Amos’ Southend
Oct. 06 - Kansas City, MO - Beaumont Club
Oct. 08 - Winnipeg, MB - Garrick Centre
Oct. 16 - Portland, OR - Roseland Theater
Oct. 21 - Pomona, CA - The Fox Theater
Oct. 25 - Denver, CO - Ogden Theater
No Washington dates.
(https://i.imgur.com/zfFsW.jpg)
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The Charlotte show near me is a 16+ show and my 16th birthday isn't until the following April...fuck. Oh well, I'll have to bring a parent. More dates will be announced Monday (which is what I was hinting at).
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Oct. 21 - Pomona, CA - The Fox Theater
Fuck. Yes.
Harold Camping maintains that the world will end on October 21. You'll either die happy or disappointed, depending on which event takes place first.
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Winnipeg better not be the only Canadian tour date!
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So who's going to Charlotte with me?
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I'm slightly disappointed the closest show is in NY. I'd go see these dudes if it was not a pain in the ass to beg and plead and cry to get there.
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I'm disappointed that it's so late... I'LL BE BACK IN SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE OF BUTTFUCK NOWHERE.
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I'm slightly disappointed the closest show is in NY. I'd go see these dudes if it was not a pain in the ass to beg and plead and cry to get there.
I'm sure there will be more dates...look how spread apart some of these ones are.
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The Charlotte show near me is a 16+ show and my 16th birthday isn't until the following April...fuck. Oh well, I'll have to bring a parent. More dates will be announced Monday (which is what I was hinting at).
Yooooooo I'll probably be going to the Charlotte one.
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I'm disappointed that it's so late... I'LL BE BACK IN SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE OF BUTTFUCK NOWHERE.
Hell yeah, buttfuck nowhere! It's a great place to live.
o/
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Portland show! :metal
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I'm disappointed that it's so late... I'LL BE BACK IN SCHOOL IN THE MIDDLE OF BUTTFUCK NOWHERE.
Hell yeah, buttfuck nowhere! It's a great place to live.
o/
Fuck off, I hate it.
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Just FYI, Wikipedia tells me that Blacksburg is home to 39,000 people. My town is home to 20,000. Your town is literally twice as big as mine.
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Does that 39,000 include the students? If so, then the town is actually 9,000.
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My 20,000 also includes students.
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How close is your nearest large city?
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Buttfuck?
Nowhere.
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How close is your nearest large city?
If >50,000 is considered large, 30 minutes away. If not, over an hour away.
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idk what is considered large, but the closest for me besides Roanoke is proabably Greensboro at nearly 3 hours.
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Well, you win I guess.
ANYWAYS ABOUT THAT OPETH
They're pretty cool.
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Yessss Opeth is back in Hartford! :metal
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I like how on DTF, the Opeth thread tangents into a thorough discussion about what exactly constitutes "buttfuck nowhere". :lol
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Buttfuck Nowhere :metal
One of my favorite Opeth songs!
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:rollin
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I never understood why bands pick the Palladium. Worcester sucks.
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I never understood why bands pick the Palladium. Worcester sucks.
Yeah I hear you on that. But when it comes to an Opeth show I'm not picky at all. I mean ... it's Opeth!!!
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I live in the most isolated city in the world! I win :D
About the album - I hope they introduce some guitar harmonies in the vain of Maiden - that would be awesome! This all sounds very interesting.
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But...Maiden is an '80s band...
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But...Maiden is an '80s band...
Maiden Rawkz :metal
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But...Maiden is an '80s band...
Maiden Rawkz :metal
Well yeah, of course, but Heritage is supposedly a '70s album. Having a strong Maiden influence just wouldn't make sense.
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I'm slightly disappointed the closest show is in NY. I'd go see these dudes if it was not a pain in the ass to beg and plead and cry to get there.
I'm sure there will be more dates...look how spread apart some of these ones are.
While I do see that, the dates that are spread out are after the NE run. I would like them to come to Philly, and that does not seem possible. Ah well.
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But...Maiden is an '80s band...
Maiden Rawkz :metal
Well yeah, of course, but Heritage is supposedly a '70s album. Having a strong Maiden influence just wouldn't make sense.
Well, Maybe more of a DP or Rush influence? We'll have to wait till September 20th to find out.
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Yeah true, just some personal wishes. Rush influence ftw! Deep Purple influence would be interesting. I'd love for MA to take a strong influence from RB.
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Though I cannot deny that the album cover broke the winstreak of Opeth's album covers, (I mean, all of them look epic) I also won't deny that it greatly piques my interest for the music it will contain. Who knows, as I'm not really keen with 70's music, this may as well be the bridge to classic prog rock for me.
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I would love for the new album to be the King Crimson album that should have been (instead of the Projekts)
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I live in the most isolated city in the world! I win :D
o/
Anyways, on topic; I'm so fucking pumped for this. This whole new wave of prog rock stuff is my favourite niche at the moment, and considering the kind of stuff Opeth have been able to do with technical death metal in terms of progressiveness-ness, i excites.
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I'll probably be hitting up the Worcester show.
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I will be at both NY shows.
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Here is to hoping that they will announce a Philly show on September 24th...
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I did a full translation of the Finnish pre-listening report. It's a bit rough, but you get the point. Also, I couldn't translate some of the slang words.
These are these. Even the shittier albums tend to sound good in the pre-listening sessions.
But still: let's put a guy subject to "broad pantleg" influences who's lived his wildest youth a few moments ago with glass(es) of red wine to the happening place of legendary ABBA records and let's press play. Doesn't affect anything or in any way? Yet when one brags that the album was mastered in NYC with a guy who's worked with floyds and bowies, I guess it's ok.
I still must say that the upcoming Opeth album sounded fucking good.
Facts:
The album was presented in 5.1 mood. "I didn't hear the record this way until today and I didn't even know that it'll be played to the journalists in surround. I had some doubts but the result gives me goosebumps", said the band leader Mikael Åkerfeldt. The mix worked although I usually resist presenting rock in some other mode than stereo. So does Mikael, apparently.
The album is approximately 56 minutes long and many things manage to happen in that time. Despite that, the unity sounds compact.
Things that came to my mind: Sabbath, Beatles, jazz, King Crimson, Cream, Rainbow, Floyd, funk, Purple, Piirpauke, classical music, My Dying Bride, folk, Love, Jethro Tull, Maiden…
There's no death metal or growling on the album. The production is powerful in a 70's way, but the walls of guitars which are usual in modern music are absent. Keyboards, piano and mellotron have a strong presence in the soundscape. Double bass and clarinet can be heard in many intros.
"We don't care about others' opinions", told Mikael, "and if the friends of death metal don't like this, it's their problem."
The frontman said he's been sick of "extreme metal" since the 90's, but couldn't embody why there were still growls on the previous Opeth album. Death was however taken as far as it could be, and its time in this context is over. Or at least the atmosphere is right now that.
"I've wanted to do an album like this since when I was 20", apparently satisfied Åkerfeldt said, and added that it couldn't have been possible without the metallic foundation which raised Opeth to great success. None of the journalists who heard Heritage had anything bad to say about it. Is this because of drunkness or the music itself, everyone can realize that in the fall.
Anyway, Heritage will cause hiccups to metal fans, but if one's wishes are more in the 70's, the album can't sound bad. This seems to be safe to say after one listen already.
The first 7 songs are unbelievably great, the last 3 less so.
I didn't translate the ending words, because they weren't important.
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No growls.
I respect their decisions as artists and musicians, but I am really disappointed right now.
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Well if he's been sick of the growling since the 90's, then he's pretty much had to deal with them for the last decade because that's what the fans wanted........now he's doin what he wants to do.
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
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it's damnation all over again
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Well if he's been sick of the growling since the 90's, then he's pretty much had to deal with them for the last decade because that's what the fans wanted........now he's doin what he wants to do.
Like I said, I respect that. I am still disappointed regardless.
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IMO it's a good thing that he's honest about his influences, and doesn't write death metal songs if he doesn't feel like making them. I'd rather take a weird but honest album over a forced attempt to make another Blackwater Park. However, the contrast between clean and harsh vocals is one of the main reasons why I like Opeth, so it's sad to hear them losing a dimension from their music.
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I did a full translation of the Finnish pre-listening report. It's a bit rough, but you get the point. Also, I couldn't translate some of the slang words.
"We don't care about others' opinions", told Mikael, "and if the friends of death metal don't like this, it's their problem."
I didn't translate the ending words, because they weren't important.
Win, Mikael.
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"We don't care about others' opinions", told Mikael, "and if the friends of death metal don't like this, it's their problem."
:metal
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I live in the most isolated city in the world! I win :D
o/
Anyways, on topic; I'm so fucking pumped for this. This whole new wave of prog rock stuff is my favourite niche at the moment, and considering the kind of stuff Opeth have been able to do with technical death metal in terms of progressiveness-ness, i excites.
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If they're done with death metal for now, I'm interested in knowing what their album following Heritage will sound like.
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
The old albums are taking a vacation. They'll come back in about 8-9 years :P
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
Of course he isn't going to stop listening to them, but he probably wants more music like the past albums, instead of different music.
As do I. I love the versatility that heaviness and growls brings, especially to prog. It makes the album much more one-dimensional (of course, if the album rules, that won't matter at all).
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Well...in the last 10 years we have had no less than four Opeth albums that fit that description. I think it is time to try something new. Realistically, this seems more of a once off experiment to get it out of Akerfeldt's system, than a genuine change of direction for the band. And if they do go back to growls after this album it will probably be a fresher and more exciting take on the concept, which mightn't have been the case if this was just the fifth of those Opeth albums in that vein.
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I agree, and I'm definitely looking forward to the album! The cover is my desktop on computer and phone :)
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
YES. YES I AM AND IT IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT I MEANT BY MY POST.
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GOOD, GLAD WE HAVE CLARIFIED THAT.
:biggrin:
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I'm wondering, did Mikael realize that his growls aren't on the same level that they used to be. Maybe that could have affected his decision to leave growls out. BTW, on Blabbermouth it says that Katatonia is their support band in the US! Wish I could see these 2 bands on the same stage in Finland someday.
EDIT: I found comments by another Finnish journalist on a musicians' forum: https://muusikoiden.net/keskustelu/posts.php?c=44&t=163152&o=2120
To put it short:
-lots of Hammond and 70's worship
-the guy didn't miss the growls although they have worked very well for Opeth
-acoustic parts reminiscent of Jethro Tull
-described as "Opeth gone jazz with plenty hård rock* 'n' folk"
*IIRC hård rock is the usual term for metal in Swedish
-there are still distorted riffs, not all mellow!
-one song features "doomsday organ"
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Sounds like an album I would enjoy.
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How the fuck do people not like the album art?
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-one song features "doomsday organ"
Well, I'm sold
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Jeeze, was there this much butthurt when Damnation came out?
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So who's going to Charlotte with me?
I might. It all depends on what my schedule is Friday (if I have to wake up early for something). I really REALLY want to go.
I like hearing that people like it and that there are some distorted riffs (so its not going to be "Opeth goes Jethro Tull" or something) but all this talk of 70s worship worries me more and more.
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
You don't remember handing that one out?
Anyway, 56 minutes long? That's much shorter than I would have expected. With 10 tracks...we're probably gonna see mostly 5 minute songs. This is shaping up to be a very interesting album indeed.
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I agree
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
You don't remember handing that one out?
Anyway, 56 minutes l
56 minutes till what?
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
You don't remember handing that one out?
Anyway, 56 minutes l
56 minutes till what?
That's how long the album is going to be.
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I agree
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Oh. I thought there was some announcement coming up or something.
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Jeeze, was there this much butthurt when Damnation came out?
Disappointment =/= butthurt
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but I am really disappointed right now.
I think I am too. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, but I have a feeling I'll really miss the old Opeth.
Why, are you banned from listening to the old albums?
You don't remember handing that one out?
Anyway, 56 minutes l
56 minutes till what?
56 minutes until my phone decides to not be an asshole when I try to post. :lol
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Will Mikael continue singing for Bloodbath?
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You all be disappointed, for me this sounds like the best album so far.
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How the fuck do people not like the album art?
The faces, man. The faces.
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How the fuck do people not like the album art?
The faces, man. The faces.
After using the picture with the faces shooped out as my wallpaper, something looked missing. The faces, as weird as they seem, need to be there for me.
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You all be disappointed, for me this sounds like the best album so far.
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Jeeze, was there this much butthurt when Damnation came out?
No, it was kind of accepted that Damnation was the light album and Deliverance was the heavy album. Sure there were nay-sayers, but this new album is seeing a ton of controversy (the band is also more popular than it was back in 2002/2003, so there are more people to complain)
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You'll all be disappointed, for me this sounds like the best album so far.
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Jeeze, was there this much butthurt when Damnation came out?
No, it was kind of accepted that Damnation was the light album and Deliverance was the heavy album. Sure there were nay-sayers, but this new album is seeing a ton of controversy (the band is also more popular than it was back in 2002/2003, so there are more people to complain)
All good points here. :tup
Damnation was known to be "the" soft album, and was seen as a one-off.
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Has it occurred to anyone that this also might be something Akerfeldt wants to get out of his system, Sort of like what Mastodon did with Crack The Skye?
Maybe Opeth 11 will be Prog Death or maybe Heritage will be a transition into a new sound for the band.
I Am Excite either way :biggrin:
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quick everyone lets make brash generalizations about opeth based on an interview, a track list and album art
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quick everyone lets make brash generalizations about opeth based on an interview, a track list and album art
:lol :corn
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How the fuck do people not like the album art?
The faces, man. The faces.
After using the picture with the faces shooped out as my wallpaper, something looked missing. The faces, as weird as they seem, need to be there for me.
I agree 100%. Without the faces, the cover is alright, but with the faces, it's memorable, you know?
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i dunno, i'm personally pretty excited about it. i'm not a fan of 70's music really, but this isn't a 70's album. it's an Opeth album.
and since Watershed is my favorite (especially after the largely boring Ghost Reveries), i'm excited to hear something even more different from them.
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Calling it: Opeth are trolling us. This album will be the heaviest one yet with the most growls.
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i dunno, i'm personally pretty excited about it. i'm not a fan of 70's music really, but this isn't a 70's album. it's an Opeth album.
and since Watershed is my favorite (especially after the largely boring Ghost Reveries), i'm excited to hear something even more different from them.
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttt.
I love how some people are acting all high and mighty because they aren't disappointed by the lack of growls. And I'm sure plenty of you just assume I'm a butthurt metalhead because I'm sad there will be no growls.
But whatever, reserving all judgments until the release I suppose.
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How the fuck do people not like the album art?
The faces, man. The faces.
After using the picture with the faces shooped out as my wallpaper, something looked missing. The faces, as weird as they seem, need to be there for me.
I agree 100%. Without the faces, the cover is alright, but with the faces, it's memorable, you know?
Yes, but its memorable for details that make it look bad. Not much of a victory, is it?
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i dunno, i'm personally pretty excited about it. i'm not a fan of 70's music really, but this isn't a 70's album. it's an Opeth album.
and since Watershed is my favorite (especially after the largely boring Ghost Reveries), i'm excited to hear something even more different from them.
:|
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quick everyone lets make brash generalizations about opeth based on an interview, a track list and album art
Welcome to DTF, pull up a chair.
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I, for one, hope it does sound like a 70s album. Glad to hear there's a ton of Hammond organ on it, I love that shit.
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How the fuck do people not like the album art?
The faces, man. The faces.
After using the picture with the faces shooped out as my wallpaper, something looked missing. The faces, as weird as they seem, need to be there for me.
I agree 100%. Without the faces, the cover is alright, but with the faces, it's memorable, you know?
Yes, but its memorable for details that make it look bad. Not much of a victory, is it?
Well, I don't think it looks bad. And at least we're talking about a ton, which wouldn't be the case if the faces weren't there.
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I'm with SDN, they kinda make the whole thing look like an entry in one of those fake photoshop covers for laughs contest.
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I'm actually getting more excited for the album now... I mean it's sad there won't be any growls but at the same time DAMNATION is an amazing album too!
:corn
I'm really eating popcorn this time :)
EDIT: Weakness is an underrated amazing track from Damnation
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The 70's prog thing and the nuggetz kinda reminds me of Octavarium
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Calling it: Opeth are trolling us. This album will be the heaviest one yet with the most growls.
That'd be funny as fuck. :lol
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No growling? Interesting. Watershed was fantastic, so I'm pumped, but as others have said, the heavy-soft trade-off is something I really enjoy in their music. Here's hoping they found something to 'replace' that aspect.
I am, however, disappointed by the lack of IL and/or WI shows. What the fuck? C'mon!
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No growling? Interesting. Watershed was fantastic, so I'm pumped, but as others have said, the heavy-soft trade-off is something I really enjoy in their music. Here's hoping they found something to 'replace' that aspect.
I am, however, disappointed by the lack of IL and/or WI shows. What the fuck? C'mon!
This.
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Blackwater Park and Watershed are my favorites. Most Opeth albums put me in a pretty bleak mood so they're more suited to Winter and Fall for me... glad the new album is coming out in September!
Also, Burden is a really good song.
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Weakness is an underrated amazing track from Damnation
I hear ya. Took me a while to get into it but I think it was the drumming that finally hooked me.
Also, is the fifth face Joakim or Per? I haven't seen a good enough res pic yet to determine.
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I think the general consensus is that it's Per. Seeing as how his head is falling off the tree, and he's no longer a band member.
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EDIT: Weakness is an underrated amazing track from Damnation
I'd actually go as far as saying that it's my favorite song on the whole album, followed by Windowpane.
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I LOVE the new cover. So 70s and ridiculous
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I'm with SDN, they kinda make the whole thing look like an entry in one of those fake photoshop covers for laughs contest.
To each his own, but I think you guys are taking it too seriously. I feel like it's meant to be a joke. It's meant to be ridiculous. It's meant to be almost like a satire of 70s covers.
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It's just odd to see a band like Opeth do it. I'd expect something like this from a band like Primus.
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If there's one thing this album has done so far, it's taught us to expect the unexpected! I love how everything from the cover art to the music to band member departures have made me say, "Didn't see that coming".
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Does anyone else think the Per thing is really harsh? Yeah he left the band around that time.
But being immortalised as such on the front cover of an album?
that's a complete slap in the face, and they should have thought more carefully about that. Just having one more skull at the bottom would have been far better.
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Slap in the face? Nope. This is what we call symbolism. And adding an extra skull wouldn't make as much sense, seeing how he JUST left the band recently. His head falling is that of his recent departure, not one from several years ago.
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For all we know they could have even asked him before they went through with the idea. There's no reason to think that they meant any disrespect by it.
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I'm sure they didn't, but at face value it looks harsh.
This is what we call symbolism.
Then it's symbolism gone too frigging far. A badly photoshopped photo of his face falling down? It's an insult, intended or not.
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I'm sure they didn't, but at face value it looks harsh.
(https://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/funny-pictures-cat-sees-what-you-did.jpg)
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I'm sure they didn't, but at face value it looks harsh.
This is what we call symbolism.
Then it's symbolism gone too frigging far. A badly photoshopped photo of his face falling down? It's an insult, intended or not.
Maiden had both Paul and Bruce being killed once they left the band.
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I'm sure they didn't, but at face value it looks harsh.
This is what we call symbolism.
Then it's symbolism gone too frigging far. A badly photoshopped photo of his face falling down? It's an insult, intended or not.
Maiden had both Paul and Bruce being killed once they left the band.
Woah Woah!
I must have been utterly wrong then. It's been done before so it's A-OKAY GUYS!
Really? Think of something that actually has weight.
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Until Per expresses any sort of hurt feelings, it isn't a big deal.
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Man, you really gotta get over it. There's nothing insulting about it.
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I think faemir might be more insulted than Per.
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Until Per expresses any sort of hurt feelings, it isn't a big deal.
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Except if he does, it'll seem whiney and petty.
And you really don't think it's the least bit insulting? It's such an unsavoury and unflattering image, if I were in a band for almost a decade I wouldn't want to be remembered and immortalised on a cover like that.
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Because he's definitely not going to be remember and immortalized by his musical contributions to the band.
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I think faemir might be more insulted than Per.
Nice one! :lol
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For people who claim to be fans of a progressive metal band, the Opeth forum posters sure seem pretty butthurt concerning the musical direction of the new album, not to mention the album artwork.
https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?t=11174
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I don't think anyone is riled up about the musical direction of the album.
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I'd say most Opeth fans are "cautiously optimistic" right now. Myself included.
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I'd say most Opeth fans are "cautiously optimistic" right now. Myself included.
Me too.
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I must be a minority I guess. Opeth has created so much metal that any more would be, how Mikael was looking at it, more of the same just abouts. Why not give their take on 70s prog a shot?
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I must be a minority I guess. Opeth has created so much metal that any more would be, how Mikael was looking at it, more of the same just abouts. Why not give their take on 70s prog a shot?
Most of the bands that have had longevity for me have excelled in doing so.
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Lol fans hating album before even hearing it...
:corn
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https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?p=78206#post78206
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https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?p=78206#post78206
That almost makes me feel embarrassed to be an Opeth fan.
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https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?p=78206#post78206
wow...
EDIT:
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https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?t=11191
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Well good for them.
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That's a shame. I feel bad for people like that.
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I don't feel anything. People are dumb like that. They want a death metal band and Opeth clearly isn't like that anymore. Move on to other death metal bands and that's it.
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Fair enough.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Opeth-Are-Sellout-Bastards/150761231663314
0 likes. Heh.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Is this Egypt all over again?
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I don't even know what to say. I know this is all troll-driven, and it's not surprising at all, but it's also not funny. It's just so stupid that I don't know how to react to it.
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Holy shit this kid is hilarious. I'm talking to him on the Opeth forum.
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Now spit on him and tell him he's scum.
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https://opethforum.com/showthread.php?t=11193&page=2
I did.
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Yeah, trying to reason with this guy is going nowhere.
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Holy shit this kid is hilarious. I'm talking to him on the Opeth forum.
Im talking to him on youtube :)
Left a couple comments on his video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV8QQtxEyV8&lc=jjlrpLIfU4wGW2RWWskmLopSHJP-zPsRBPa847cM4lM&feature=inbox
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: at that guy! So he thinks Mikael should write death metal songs for the rest of his life, even though it's not what he wants to do anymore...
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Seriously guys, spamming the whole forum? :\
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Guys, I can't control what happens on other forums but please don't bring any of the spam or drama here.
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No problem man.
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Seriously guys, spamming the whole forum? :\
This. Do you guys really have nothing better to do with your time/lives?
Apparently not.
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At least they have managed to be more annoying than the "sell-out" crier ::)
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Seriously guys, spamming the whole forum? :\
Nothing I said could be considered spam. I was actually trying to have a discussion.
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Seriously guys, spamming the whole forum? :\
Nothing I said could be considered spam. I was actually trying to have a discussion.
Yeah I know I saw your post on their before the others came and ruined the discussion (not that it was possible to have a legitimate discussion with that guy anyway :p)
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From what I know, Ulver did worse things, so why can't Opeth? They're from the same island anyway. :P
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From what I know, Ulver did worse things, so why can't Opeth? They're from the same island anyway. :P
Island?
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From what I know, Ulver did worse things, so why can't Opeth? They're from the same island anyway. :P
Island?
Err, peninsula. Whatever. :biggrin:
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That kid who burned the Opeth CD's... that just screams 'metal-fan' to me for some reason.
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So I totally have not been paying all that much attention to whatever drama that has been going on over the upcoming album, but:
That kid who burned the Opeth CD's... that just screams 'metal-fan' to me for some reason.
What is this supposed to mean?
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Well, he is clearly a metal fan because he doesn't like the fact that there's going to be no growling and its going to be 70s influenced.
Oh, and he's already heard the album and Opeth are selling out so they can get more fans. Yep. Makes sense to me. No holes in this logic and he couldn't possibly be lying about anything.
Or he's just a troll.
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Well, 14 year old metal-fan, or something like that.
Obviously there are tard-fans within every genre, but to go as far as burning CD's, that just feels very 'metal'. :lol
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Well, 14 year old metal-fan, or something like that.
Obviously there are tard-fans within every genre, but to go as far as burning CD's, that just feels very 'metal'. :lol
Well I mean, you personally are a better person for not being a metal fan. So that totally makes sense.
Well, he is clearly a metal fan because he doesn't like the fact that there's going to be no growling and its going to be 70s influenced.
Oh, and he's already heard the album and Opeth are selling out so they can get more fans. Yep. Makes sense to me. No holes in this logic and he couldn't possibly be lying about anything.
I totally can not think of another group of people within another musical culture who do the exact same thing.
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Well, 14 year old metal-fan, or something like that.
Obviously there are tard-fans within every genre, but to go as far as burning CD's, that just feels very 'metal'. :lol
Well I mean, you personally are a better person for not being a metal fan. So that totally makes sense.
It doesn't really have to do with 'being a better person' or any shit like that, I just don't get why someone has to do something extreme like that.
I haven't really come across many metal-fans that embrace change, most of the people I've met fall under the category "change is bad, every album should sound the same", so obviously my own experiences combined with this kid doing something 'metal' would result in me getting a more negative opinion on the metal-fanbase in general.
So yeah, I'm not really saying that everyone is like that, but it is kinda obvious that one's opinions or perception of things change after personal experiences and such.
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That is such a sweeping generalization. You are describing a very small fraction of the metalheads I've met through concerts and through friends. Maybe the majority of thrash or death metal fans (If it's not brutal, fast or Slayer, it's fake and gay).
But to say this is what a metal fan is like...oh come the fuck on.
This is coming from someone who grew up on metal, and has become a staple in my every day life. So yes, I am a bit biased.
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Dude again, I'm not saying this guy is the typical metal-fan.
My point was that burning CDs because of rage - that feels really 'metal'.
It has nothing to do with the fanbase or anything like that, just the expression of something being 'metal', this would certainly fit under that category. ;)
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It simply sounds like teenage angst to me.
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Well, he is clearly a metal fan because he doesn't like the fact that there's going to be no growling and its going to be 70s influenced.
Oh, and he's already heard the album and Opeth are selling out so they can get more fans. Yep. Makes sense to me. No holes in this logic and he couldn't possibly be lying about anything.
I totally can not think of another group of people within another musical culture who do the exact same thing.
The second part of my post was just sort of an elaboration because it seems you missed a lot of the zomgdrama, so no need for the sarcasm green there, I'm well aware every genre has tards (I know one guy named Alex Sylvester... :neverusethis:). The first part is a statement of fact. He is very clearly a fan of metal.
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It simply sounds like teenage angst to me.
Teenage angst IS Metal. ;)
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Well seeing lats responses I'm giving everyone a new equation.
Teenage angst=butthurt.
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I'm still not banned from the Opeth forum. :lol
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US TOUR DATES with KATATONIA!!!
September 23rd at the TROC FUCK YES!!!!
Sep. 19 - The Palladium @ Worcester, MA
Sep. 20 - Webster Theater @ Hartford, CT
Sep. 21 - Webster Hall @ New York, NY
Sep. 22 - Webster Hall @ New York, NY
Sep. 23 - Trocadero @ Philadelphia, PA
Sep. 26 - Newport Music Hall @ Columbus, OH
Sep. 27 - Expo Five @ Louisville, KY
Sep. 28 - Cannery Ballroom @ Nashville, TN
Sep. 29 - Amos’ Southend @ Charlotte, NC
Sep. 30 - Center Stage @ Atlanta, GA
Oct. 01 - House of Blues @ Lake Buena Vista, FL
Oct. 03 - Warehouse Live @ Houston, TX
Oct. 04 - – Stubb’s Waller Creek Amphitheater @ Austin, TX
Oct. 05 - Granada Theater @ Dallas, TX
Oct. 06 - The Beaumont Club @ Kansas City, MO
Oct. 07 - First Avenue @ Minneapolis, MN
Oct. 08 - Burton Cummings @ Winnipeg, MB
Oct. 10 - Edmonton Events Centre @ Edmonton, AB
Oct. 11 - MacEwan Hall Ballroom @ Calgary, AB
Oct. 13 - Commodore Ballroom @ Vancouver, BC
Oct. 14 - Knitting Factory Concert House @ Spokane, WA
Oct. 15 - Showbox SoDo @ Seattle, WA
Oct. 16 - Roseland Theatre @ Portland, OR
Oct. 18 - The Warfield @ San Francisco, CA
Oct. 19 - Mayan Theatre @ Los Angeles, CA
Oct. 20 - House of Blues @ San Diego, CA
Oct. 21 - The Fox Theater @ Pomona, CA
Oct. 22 - Marquee Theatre @ Tempe, AZ
Oct. 24 - The Complex @ Salt Lake City, UT
Oct. 25 - Ogden Theatre @ Denver, CO
Oct. 27 - The Rave @ Milwaukee, WI
Oct. 28 - Vic Theatre @ Chicago, IL
Oct. 29 - St. Andrews Hall @ Detroit, MI
Oct. 30 - Guelph Concert Theatre @ Guelph, ON
Oct. 31 - Mr Smalls Theatre @ Millvale, PA
Nov. 01 - Rams Head Live! – Baltimore, MD
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It simply sounds like teenage angst to me.
Teenage angst IS Metal. ;)
Not good metal. Linkin Park bullshit more like.
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No Canadian dates east of Winnipeg? :(
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I'll make an honest attempt to go to the Dallas show, but I may not be able to.
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I'm still not banned from the Opeth forum. :lol
That's cause the admin felt a bit sorry for you.
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Atlanta on Friday? That's more doable than Charlotte on Thursday! Oh man oh man!
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Woohoo september 23 is a friday :D
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Atlanta on Friday? That's more doable than Charlotte on Thursday! Oh man oh man!
NO GO TO CHARLOTTE YOU DOUCHE
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Atlanta on Friday? That's more doable than Charlotte on Thursday! Oh man oh man!
Or, you go to both. :hat
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Told ya.
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Atlanta on Friday? That's more doable than Charlotte on Thursday! Oh man oh man!
NO GO TO CHARLOTTE YOU DOUCHE
MAYBE I JUST DON'T WANT TO MEET YOU IN PERSON AND NOW TOX HAS TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES? DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT? HUH?
Nah, maybe. It all depends on school, but I'll probably do Atlanta.
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Told ya.
You sure did. :P
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Going September 27th! :metal
I may have to skip school the day after though considering it's a tuesday :biggrin:
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MARQUEE THEATER ON A SATURDAY. I'm so there :millahhhh
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Woohoo september 23 is a friday :D
Ugh, you again. :P
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Not too big on Katatonia, but I might catch the Rams Head show. Could be a good time!
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Katatonia > your face.
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Katatonia > your face.
:lol
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Katatonia > your face.
I've never put someone to sleep with my face before, so yeah, I guess so.
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Katatonia > your face.
I've never put someone to sleep or stone with my face before.
So Medusa > ClairvoyantCat then.
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(https://www.juegomania.org/guia/pokedex/hypno.gif)
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October 7th at First Ave!
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Oct. 01 - House of Blues @ Lake Buena Vista, FL
I hope I am able to make it to this show.
Never seen Opeth live before.
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(https://www.juegomania.org/guia/pokedex/hypno.gif)
Reminded me of this:
(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/panterametalmagicpx2.jpg)
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October 15th. Fucking. Fuck. Yes.
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Oct. 28th, I am there! :metal
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Woohoo september 23 is a friday :D
THIS :metal :corn :metal :corn :metal :corn
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Nowhere close to me...like usual.
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October 15th. Fucking. Fuck. Yes.
Wait did they add more dates? I thought you sad earlier there wasn't a Seattle date?
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Yup.
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October 15th. Fucking. Fuck. Yes.
Wait did they add more dates? I thought you sad earlier there wasn't a Seattle date?
Indeed they did. I am so happy about this.
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October 15th. Fucking. Fuck. Yes.
Wait did they add more dates? I thought you sad earlier there wasn't a Seattle date?
Indeed they did. I am so happy about this.
me too! :corn
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I am so going to that Mr. Smalls show.
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Found this while scouring the Opeth forums.
I have no doubt Heritage will deliver(ance :neverusethis:)
Translation of the swedish review:
"God is dead." Mikael Åkerfeldt sings in a loop that rapidly falls from high to low. As the fundamental force of gravity that makes things fall to the ground. The question is not Opeth tenth studio album is a fundamental force that too, a new natural law even. How else should I describe it? What would you think of after twenty years of music writing? How would you take you and your music further if you felt a bit restless?
It is the first hot June afternoon in Stockholm and Opeth has invited mostly international, but also two representatives from the Swedish press to the legendary Atlantis Studios in Stockholm. Here history has been written, or recorded, I mean of course. The first thing I see when I walk in is the grand piano that I immediately throw myself over. Here, a few ABBA hit songs have been played. There is an old jukebox, organs and the whole interior oozes old in a way that makes someone born in the 80s wish that she was born in the 50s so she would have been young in the 70s. Mikael Åkerfeldt is striding down the stairs to greet us. Before the disc is played he announces: "We like it and that's all that counts."
Many of you will lift an eyebrow when you hear "Heritage" for the first time. Presumably, some will dislike it. But there are also many who will accept, enjoy and understand the sounds. Because you will sit there and listen, the album forces you to. And you will be familiar to you. All elements of previous Opeth are there, cast in an entirely new form, all but Michael's outstanding fat growls. However, he sings better than he ever did before. He takes great "note strides" (don't know how to translate that), stretches his vocal cords, takes the song to new heights and let go of the main tone in exactly the right places.
But that Opeth makes the album "Heritage" is not really that surprising if you think about it. It is a large, natural leap in an entirely new direction, one step to the side and forwards kind of. They have managed to combine the old with the new in a way that is difficult to access. It's the same old Opeth, although completely new. The same elements as before, but in a new way. The same musicians and the same instruments as the last time, though they play differently. They make new sounds, though it still sounds the same. Same old structure but witha a new path forward. Each instrument has its own sound, its own vibration and Opeth seizes that. Everything must be heard and take their place. This is excellence in innovation. While the last note fades out, Mikael looks in and shouts "That's it" and a round of applause breaks out but then it becomes quiet and we sit still. What happened? We heard 70's prog, folk music, free form jazz, punk, African drums, metal, choirs and keyboards, and yet it was no more strange than this?
When I talk to Åkerfeldt outside the studio, he is one of three who eagerly asks me what I thought. Some parts towards the end of the album were so dark, I got chills. Music, song titles (I feel the Dark, The Devil's Orchard, Famine ...) and the cover (a burning city, the devil and death) is indicative of a larger perspective on life and I suspect he has philosophized around one or two major issue in life. So I reply "How are you?". We throw a few ideas back and forth and he says: "It must be like this. What if there had been nothing at all? Some will hate it but it's great that someone likes it. "
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No Canadian dates east of Winnipeg? :(
Guelph's still part of Canada. Unless I've missed something.
But still, they're going to Guelph, and skipping Canada's 3 biggest metal markets (assuming you're not counting the festival stop in July).
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Found this while scouring the Opeth forums.
I have no doubt Heritage will deliver(ance :neverusethis:)
Translation of the swedish review:
"God is dead." Mikael Åkerfeldt sings in a loop that rapidly falls from high to low. As the fundamental force of gravity that makes things fall to the ground. The question is not Opeth tenth studio album is a fundamental force that too, a new natural law even. How else should I describe it? What would you think of after twenty years of music writing? How would you take you and your music further if you felt a bit restless?
It is the first hot June afternoon in Stockholm and Opeth has invited mostly international, but also two representatives from the Swedish press to the legendary Atlantis Studios in Stockholm. Here history has been written, or recorded, I mean of course. The first thing I see when I walk in is the grand piano that I immediately throw myself over. Here, a few ABBA hit songs have been played. There is an old jukebox, organs and the whole interior oozes old in a way that makes someone born in the 80s wish that she was born in the 50s so she would have been young in the 70s. Mikael Åkerfeldt is striding down the stairs to greet us. Before the disc is played he announces: "We like it and that's all that counts."
Many of you will lift an eyebrow when you hear "Heritage" for the first time. Presumably, some will dislike it. But there are also many who will accept, enjoy and understand the sounds. Because you will sit there and listen, the album forces you to. And you will be familiar to you. All elements of previous Opeth are there, cast in an entirely new form, all but Michael's outstanding fat growls. However, he sings better than he ever did before. He takes great "note strides" (don't know how to translate that), stretches his vocal cords, takes the song to new heights and let go of the main tone in exactly the right places.
But that Opeth makes the album "Heritage" is not really that surprising if you think about it. It is a large, natural leap in an entirely new direction, one step to the side and forwards kind of. They have managed to combine the old with the new in a way that is difficult to access. It's the same old Opeth, although completely new. The same elements as before, but in a new way. The same musicians and the same instruments as the last time, though they play differently. They make new sounds, though it still sounds the same. Same old structure but witha a new path forward. Each instrument has its own sound, its own vibration and Opeth seizes that. Everything must be heard and take their place. This is excellence in innovation. While the last note fades out, Mikael looks in and shouts "That's it" and a round of applause breaks out but then it becomes quiet and we sit still. What happened? We heard 70's prog, folk music, free form jazz, punk, African drums, metal, choirs and keyboards, and yet it was no more strange than this?
When I talk to Åkerfeldt outside the studio, he is one of three who eagerly asks me what I thought. Some parts towards the end of the album were so dark, I got chills. Music, song titles (I feel the Dark, The Devil's Orchard, Famine ...) and the cover (a burning city, the devil and death) is indicative of a larger perspective on life and I suspect he has philosophized around one or two major issue in life. So I reply "How are you?". We throw a few ideas back and forth and he says: "It must be like this. What if there had been nothing at all? Some will hate it but it's great that someone likes it. "
That sounds EXACTLY like what I wanted. NO GROWLS! Genuinely excited now.
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That review got me really excited and anxious. September can't come any faster.
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Nice review!
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so excited for this album! looks like an album which will take ages to get into; and i love that type of thing. also, the cover art suggests there's a lot of hidden meanings.. much like Octavarium, that can only mean good things!
perhaps a bit wishful, but hoping for a single to be released soon!
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No Canadian dates east of Winnipeg? :(
Guelph's still part of Canada. Unless I've missed something.
But still, they're going to Guelph, and skipping Canada's 3 biggest metal markets (assuming you're not counting the festival stop in July).
Oops, missed that. Maybe that's why they're skipping Montreal and Toronto, because of the festivals. But still, why Guelph?
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In that interview, I don't think they meant that there will be no growls but that the growls will still be like they have been in the past. It's really up to interpretation though. I just don't see Opeth dropping all death growls for the entire record. I hope they didn't.
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In that interview, I don't think they meant that there will be no growls but that the growls will still be like they have been in the past. It's really up to interpretation though. I just don't see Opeth dropping all death growls for the entire record. I hope they didn't.
I can quite easily see Opeth dropping the death metal-vocals permanently.
I'm not expert on the subject, but based on seeing a lot of interviews with Mikael during the years, I just get the feeling that he has gotten more 'tired' with metal-music, and the whole thing surrounding it.
He often makes fun of corny metal-covers with the bands posing in a 'metal'-way, and looking back at Watershed and reading about the new, I kinda get the feeling that he wants to move Opeth into another direction, focusing more on the dynamics and the progressive-side, rather then the heavy.
But again, that's just how I see it. :P
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I think what the review meant is that every aspect of Opeth besides the growls are presented in a new light. Everything is fresh and maybe brought in from a different angle, but Mikael's growls are the same as they always are.
That's what I get from that.
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I actually wouldn't mind if Opeth were to in fact move away a bit from the death metal genre, but then again I'm a Porcupinetreehead
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In that interview, I don't think they meant that there will be no growls but that the growls will still be like they have been in the past. It's really up to interpretation though. I just don't see Opeth dropping all death growls for the entire record. I hope they didn't.
I can quite easily see Opeth dropping the death metal-vocals permanently.
I'm not expert on the subject, but based on seeing a lot of interviews with Mikael during the years, I just get the feeling that he has gotten more 'tired' with metal-music, and the whole thing surrounding it.
He often makes fun of corny metal-covers with the bands posing in a 'metal'-way, and looking back at Watershed and reading about the new, I kinda get the feeling that he wants to move Opeth into another direction, focusing more on the dynamics and the progressive-side, rather then the heavy.
But again, that's just how I see it. :P
Why's he in Bloodbath then? :huh:
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Why's he in Bloodbath then? :huh:
Because it's ironic.
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Yeah, I have only heard a few Bloodbath-songs, so I can't say for sure, but as I've understand it, it's more of a tribute to some of the classic DM-bands, and more of a 'fun' thing then something serious.
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Soooo who wants to give me money so that I can get a M&G ticket? :(
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Will Monopoly money work? I have a ton of that.
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"I tried to pay my stripper in Monopoly money. She said I can't accept that sir, it's fake money. I said yeah, well dems some fake titties!"
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It's similar to Steel, the little project he did with Peter Lindgren and Dan Swano back in the early '90s. It was just a tongue-in-cheek tribute to 80s hair metal bands.
Also, I thought the music journalist reported no death metal growls for this album. Plus Mikael said he's tired of the death metal.
I'm excited to see the direction they take in the future. It reminds me of the transitions of Ulver and Anathema, though maybe not as extreme.
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I'm excited to see the direction they take in the future. It reminds me of the transitions of Ulver and Anathema, though maybe not as extreme.
Opeth going trip-hop would be interesting to say the least. :lol
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I'm excited to see the direction they take in the future. It reminds me of the transitions of Ulver and Anathema, though maybe not as extreme.
Opeth going trip-hop would be interesting to say the least. :lol
(https://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/2/idiot_shoots_self_with_flare_gun.jpg)
:p
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I'm fine with Mikael not growling on this album. Hell, if he never growls on another album again, I may even be ok with that. But he better still growl the older material live. If he pulls an "M Shadows" and sings live everything that used to be growled, I will be very upset.
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So, who's going to the Philly show?
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If he pulls an "M Shadows" and sings live everything that used to be growled, I will be very upset.
Yeah, that is something I wouldn't like at all. Those songs don't have growls in them just for the sake of growls. Mikael made them fit.
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If he pulls an "M Shadows" and sings live everything that used to be growled, I will be very upset.
Yeah, that is something I wouldn't like at all. Those songs don't have growls in them just for the sake of growls. Mikael made them fit.
This.
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So, who's going to the Philly show?
i'm not going anymore because you said you'd be there
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So, who's going to the Philly show?
I'll be there. Just got my tix on Friday :metal
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It sucks that I probably won't be able to go because I have no way to get there. Being 16 sucks sometimes. :(
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It sucks that I probably won't be able to go because I have no way to get there. Being 16 sucks sometimes. :(
Take a bus. Problem solved.
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That means I go into Philly by myself. My mom would not dig that otherwise I would have bought a ticket and a bus ticket a long time ago.
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Buy it now and tell her you bought it a long time ago?
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That means I go into Philly by myself. My mom would not dig that otherwise I would have bought a ticket and a bus ticket a long time ago.
Hmm yeah if you aren't familiar with the area, she could be worried even though I don't think the area is that bad. But if you really want to go you should just go with a parent.
Opeth and Katatonia man, you don't want to miss this.
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That's the thing. My mom doesn't want to go because it's an hour drive and she has nothing to do in Philly once she gets there. I'll probably end up going...
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got my heritage tour tix, i am excite.
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got my heritage tour tix, i am excite.
Sameee :metal :metal
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Is anyone else going to Hartford? I might be going solo...
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Here is Opeth's setlist at Bonnaroo from a few days ago:
01. The Grand Conjuration
02. Face Of Melinda
03. The Lotus Eater
04. In My Time Of Need
05. Master's Apprentices
06. The Drapery Falls
07. Hex Omega
Sauce: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159328
What an odd setlist. Not to say it's bad, (I love every one of those songs), but it seems like they threw all Opeth songs into a hat and chose 7 at random. :lol
My friend was there and he said they kicked ass. He texted me during Master's Apprentices. I told him that he was seeing Opeth history, it being the first show with the new keyboardist. Lucky bastard. :yeahright
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Replace Master's Apprentices with a better heavy song and The Grand Conjuration with a better heavy song like Ghost of Perdition and it would be perfect.
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I dunno man. Master's Apprentices is awesome. And The Grand Conjuration, for what it's worth, was probably a good opener.
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Replace Master's Apprentices with a better heavy song and The Grand Conjuration with a better heavy song like Ghost of Perdition and it would be perfect.
Those are great live songs! That's a good set, face of melinda :metal
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inb4 people bitch about TGC being boring.
I fucking love that song, and seeing it live in 08 was so kickass.
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The Grand Conjuration is one of those songs that's much better if you're listening to the whole album instead of the song by itself.
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Actually that song is much better when not listened to at all.
(kidding of course)
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Just got home from buying the vinyl + DVD edition of Blackwater Park!!! I feel funny in the pants
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Don't worry, that's normal.
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The Grand Conjuration seems like an odd opener. Face of Melinda would be more logically placed near the end, like as the 5th or 6th song.
But hey, Opeth are like Cardcaptors: Expect the unexpected NOW.
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...did you really make a Cardcaptors reference? God what a terrible show.
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Yeah :lol I always thought the theme song was kinda catchy, though, or at least that little bit I quoted.
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Replace Master's Apprentices with a better heavy song and The Grand Conjuration with a better heavy song like Ghost of Perdition and it would be perfect.
Master's Apprentices is INCREDIBLE! The Grand Conjuration blows though.
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I'm fairly sure that The Grand Conjuration is one of Mikael's favorite songs by the band, at least that's what I've collected from facts.
They have played it quite a lot live (compared to some other songs from GR), and I remember seeing an interview with Mikael where he talked about how evil the song was, and that he was very happy about writing it. (or something like that)
As for my own thoughts on the song: It's really great. Might get a bit repetitive, but I don't really listen to it on repeat, so it's not really an issue.
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My problem with The Grand Conjuration is it just doesn't really have any great moments that stick out for me.
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Replace Master's Apprentices with a better heavy song and The Grand Conjuration with a better heavy song like Ghost of Perdition and it would be perfect.
Master's Apprentices is INCREDIBLE! The Grand Conjuration blows though.
For some reason when you said you didn't like Deliverance I just figured you didn't like any songs off of it. Dunno why.
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inb4 people bitch about TGC being boring.
I fucking love that song
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My problem with The Grand Conjuration is it just doesn't really have any great moments that stick out for me.
WHISPERED CONJURATION A BELIEF TAKES FOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
CHOKING HAND TAPPING THE VEINS IN YOUR THROOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT
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My problem with The Grand Conjuration is it just doesn't really have any great moments that stick out for me.
My favourite moments in that song is the calm verses and then BAM! the heavy contrast of 'The eeeeeeeeyes of the deeeeviiiiiil!".
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My favorite part of TGC is the drumming during the calm verses.
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What about the:
THEEEEE GRAAAAAAND COOOOOOONJUUUUURAAAATIOOOON-part?
That one is just epic. :hefdaddy
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Replace Master's Apprentices with a better heavy song and The Grand Conjuration with a better heavy song like Ghost of Perdition and it would be perfect.
Master's Apprentices is INCREDIBLE! The Grand Conjuration blows though.
For some reason when you said you didn't like Deliverance I just figured you didn't like any songs off of it. Dunno why.
I like it now.
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Man, the tour dates don't work out for me at all. The closest dates are in the middle of the week. My only hope is that I'm just writing at that point and not teaching.
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Man, the tour dates don't work out for me at all. The closest dates are in the middle of the week. My only hope is that I'm just writing at that point and not teaching.
Remember in your late teens and 20's and the weekday concerts didn't mater. You were there. Now it's, "Damn, it's on a Tuesday?!" "I've got to get up a 5 am to work." :lol What the hell happened to me.
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Man, the tour dates don't work out for me at all. The closest dates are in the middle of the week. My only hope is that I'm just writing at that point and not teaching.
Go the philly one. Friday night and that is only like a what? 3 hour drive?
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My problem with The Grand Conjuration is it just doesn't really have any great moments that stick out for me.
My favourite moments in that song is the calm verses and then BAM! the heavy contrast of 'The eeeeeeeeyes of the deeeeviiiiiil!".
Fuck Yeah! I love that part.
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Man, the tour dates don't work out for me at all. The closest dates are in the middle of the week. My only hope is that I'm just writing at that point and not teaching.
Remember in your late teens and 20's and the weekday concerts didn't mater. You were there. Now it's, "Damn, it's on a Tuesday?!" "I've got to get up a 5 am to work." :lol What the hell happened to me.
I have to get up at 3 AM for work so if there's a weekday concert I usually just don't go to sleep. :lol
Worth it!
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Letters, all I'm saying is that, while I want to have sex with Mikael's voice, there will be points where I miss the ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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I can see that. I'm curious, how much have you listened to them? Last I heard, you weren't into the growls so much...
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I loved the mix of growls and clean vocals, not many other bands do it as well as Opeth, if any. Really adds diversity to the music and makes it very unique and interesting.
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I can see that. I'm curious, how much have you listened to them? Last I heard, you weren't into the growls so much...
I haven't listened to much. A little BWP, a little Still Life, a little Watershed, and a little Damnation. But I've gotten over growls. What pisses me off with about 95% of Death Metal is production. I like my vocals in the front of the mix, and hearing a muddy RORORORO pisses me off. If I can clearly hear the RORORORO and can make out what is being said in the RORORORORO, I'm a happy camper. Case in point, GOJIRA!!!!! :metal
edit: For example, I was listening to a Nile song the other day. Brutal guitars and drums. Absolutely kickass, then all of a sudden, RORORO came in and it was like some dude coughing up blood over the mix. Had it been produced right, I would have dug the song.
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Wait so you're saying that you can't make out Akerfeldt's voice? Not even on a song like "Blackwater Park"?
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Which NYC date are folks planning on? Trying to plan accordingly...
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Wait so you're saying that you can't make out Akerfeldt's voice? Not even on a song like "Blackwater Park"?
Oh, I can. I just never really dug it on the first listen and figured I'd troll the shit out of you guys.
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Oh alright. Well continue listening to Still Life and Blackwater Park because they're the best them!
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Serenity Painted Death is so fucking :metal
Too bad no song has come close to that awesome for me.
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Blackwater Park title track, The Moor, and The Drapery Falls don't do it for you?
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I haven't listened to BWP and The Moor enough. Same goes for TDF. I really should just sit down and listen to Still Life one of these days.
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Like right now?
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Which NYC date are folks planning on? Trying to plan accordingly...
I'm probably going to the Thursday (22nd) show seeing as I have class early that day, so going in on Wednesday might be tough.
I'd love to see both shows though.
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Like right now?
Can't. My computer that had it died, it's not on my iPod, and my...source...is down. Perfect storm of shit. I wanted to listen to the new In Flames album and I couldn't.
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Blackwater Park title track, The Moor, Bleak, and The Drapery Falls don't do it for you?
Fix'd :tup
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Which NYC date are folks planning on? Trying to plan accordingly...
thursday :biggrin:
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Don't know if this has been posted already but here is a new interview with Akerfeldt.
https://www.lithiummagazine.com/interview-mikael-åkerfeldt-opeth-june-13th-2011
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Interesting, thanks for the link :tup
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Don't know if this has been posted already but here is a new interview with Akerfeldt.
https://www.lithiummagazine.com/interview-mikael-åkerfeldt-opeth-june-13th-2011
Thank you :tup
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Which NYC date are folks planning on? Trying to plan accordingly...
thursday :biggrin:
Nice, that would make three people so far.. any other takers?
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Forgive me if this has been done but here I go. Compare these:
timestamp 0:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUobp0lo5s
timestamp 6:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC_-JsKlIOk
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:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Yet another interview with Akerfeldt, This time with some really interesting details i.e. Flute Solo :biggrin:
https://www.bravewords.com/news/163881
:tup
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Ronnie James Dio tribute, sounds interesting. As usual, I don't like to listen to singles before the album comes out, and with Opeth that especially seems a good idea, this being my first Opeth album I've followed through. Their albums rely on a huge sense of atmosphere and I want to go in having heard nothing beforehand.
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Ronnie James Dio tribute, sounds interesting. As usual, I don't like to listen to singles before the album comes out, and with Opeth that especially seems a good idea, this being my first Opeth album I've followed through. Their albums rely on a huge sense of atmosphere and I want to go in having heard nothing beforehand.
That's exactly how I feel for the most part regarding new releases. It feels so much better when you take the material all in as a whole rather than listening to snippets of songs or singles.
With Akerfeldt abstaining from playing new songs until the album drops, it will ensure that all the music sounds fresh.
Can't wait until September the 20th!
:metal
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One week after ADTOE :)
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One week after ADTOE :)
What a week that shall be :hat
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Mikael Akerfeldt and Frederik Akesson are in the Guitar World studio, recording a video guitar lesson.
https://www.guitarworld.com/video-opeth-guitar-world-studio
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I seem to be heading over to the dark side. I've been listening to Still Life and I'm really digging The Moor, Benighted, and Serenity Painted Death.
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WHITE FACE
HAGGARD GRIN
THIS SERENITY PAINTED DEATH
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:metal
Now you must like Godhead's Lament
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The very fact that he didn't mention already is a massive failure on his part.
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Godhead's Lament is my favorite Opeth song :metal
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Godhead's Lament is my favorite Opeth song :metal
o/
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Godhead's Lament is my favorite Opeth song :metal
o/
*\o
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Wow, lots of love for Godhead's Lament. It's a love that makes me happy.
Seeing that song live in Columbus made me love it even more :metal
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The very fact that he didn't mention already is a massive failure on his part.
What would you care if he didn't listen?
No one would know...ooooh hoooaaahhhh
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WHITE FACE
HAGGARD GRIN
THIS SERENITY PAINTED DEATH
WITH A HALLOW OF BITTER DISEASE
A BLACK PARAGON OF LINGERING BREATH!!!!!
And I just mentioned songs that stuck out after like 2 listens. All in due time folks.
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The very fact that he didn't mention already is a massive failure on his part.
What would you care if he didn't listen?
No one would know...ooooh hoooaaahhhh
Nice one :lol
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Just picked up the Royal Albert Hall DVD/CD set. I didn't buy it because it's way too expensive, but it didn't drop in price so I bought it now, anyway. It's great, sounds awesome, great setlist, great performance. Although I hear a forebode to the non-growling decision in this DVD. Mikael's singing is better than ever, but his growls are at times completely devoid of power. As if he was already bored with it during the performance.
Holy damn, I missed this I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdXQPqCFHm0 - :metal
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So apparently Mikael is doing a 10-episode radioshow on Swedish national radio:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/opeth/mikael-on-swedish-national-radio/227923860570003
I'm currently listening to the first episode, seems very intresting. I was actually hoping he would do a show like this :hat
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Too bad it's in swedish only.
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Someone translate it now.
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Someone translate it now.
THIS
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A new Finnish article I translated (from Soundi magazine):
Swedish Opeth will release its 10th studio album in September. However, one won't be yet able to sink into the interesting atmospheres of Heritage at the show in Sonisphere, Helsinki on the 2nd of July.
"We were rehearsing The Devil's Orchard for a while but then we were thinking about it one more time. What if it's terribly windy on the gig day? What if our live sound sucks for a reason or another? Many fans would record our performance with their phones and release the material on Youtube right away. And the comments would be like "it sucks", "meh", "where's Lopez, come back" and so on. We decided not to focus on the new material until the tour in the fall", says vocalist/guitarist Mikael Åkerfeldt.
The festival gigs in the summer, however, introduce the band's new keyboardist. Per Wiberg has been replaced by Joakim Svalberg.
"We were almost done recording Heritage when Per's departure was finally confirmed. We weren't hurrying up to find a replacement, but Fredrik (Åkesson, guitar) happened to know Joakim and we decided to jam some songs with him. We knew he had played with Yngwie Malmsteen and one can make 2 conclusions of this: he has to be a good musician and he can work with challenging people", Åkerfeldt tells.
"I always end up with a horrible depression at the end of recording sessions. I can't feel enthusiastic about anything for some time. But while playing with us, Joakim was already so passionate that it was impossible for me not to feel excited too. He gave a really positice kick. Then Joakim played the opening title-track of Heritage in the studio and it was the final seal. He became an Opeth member."
Heritage is an album which demands interpretation with a view. The approximately hour-long album may be a slap in the face for the puritan fans of Opeth's death metal side, but at the same time the fans of 70's atmosphere and authentic sound of Hammond will smile easier than ever before. Notable influences that can be heard are for example Black Sabbath, Ritchie Blackmore's bands, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull.
"The album turned out well... Or, to be honest I love it!", Åkerfeldt laughs.
"I'm not denying our previous albums by any means. I still like them and they came straight from the heart, in the thoughts of those times. However, for the last few years I've been thinking even more often, am I still that same death metal guy who growls brutally... Right now I don't feel like that at all. I'm living a different era at the moment. But still, the next Opeth album may be a return to death metal and heavy riffs. I really don't know the future and that's the wealth of doing this."
"Our music is very timeless in a way. It's paradoxalic that at the same time Opeth has to be contemporary and change the musical direction if it's needed. So we're living in a moment like this, liked our old fans or not."
Opeth stayed in a perfect shadow during the whole recordings, in terms of media.
"No Twitter, no Facebook, no website updates. We didn't reveal anything else than the fact that we're going into studio and the new songs sound good. No outsiders heard the music or got any information during the sessions. This was another old way to make a record; in the past people didn't know what Deep Purple was up to in the studio", tells Åkerfeldt.
"I'm 37 years old. Opeth has been together for 21 years and soon we have released 10 studio albums. My worst nightmare now is to make compromises and music that doesn't come fully from the heart... Fortunately there's no fear about that. Heritage is definitely an investment which carries far to the future. In fact, maybe Opeth wouldn't even have a future without this kind of album."
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"We were rehearsing The Devil's Orchard for a while but then we were thinking about it one more time. What if it's terribly windy on the gig day? What if our live sound sucks for a reason or another? Many fans would record our performance with their phones and release the material on Youtube right away. And the comments would be like "it sucks", "meh", "where's Lopez, come back" and so on. We decided not to focus on the new material until the tour in the fall", says vocalist/guitarist Mikael Åkerfeldt.
Haha, well said :lol
Anyway, cheers for posting that :tup
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That bit Portrucci quoted is my favorite, especially the "Where's Lopez, come back" bit :lol
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A new Finnish article I translated (from Soundi magazine):
Notable influences that can be heard are for example Black Sabbath, Ritchie Blackmore's bands, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull.
"The album turned out well... Or, to be honest I love it!", Åkerfeldt laughs.
:metal :metal
1. Heritage 02:05
2. The Devil's Orchard 06:40
3. I Feel The Dark 06:40
4. Slither 04:03
5. Nepenthe 05:40
6. Haxprocess 06:57
7. Famine 08:32
8. The Lines In My Hand 03:49
9. Folklore 08:19
10. Marrow Of The Earth 04:19
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Opeth/Heritage/307944
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nice
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Is that the shortest average track length of any Opeth album? Off the top of my head I can only think Dammnation might be smaller, but it has less tracks.
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Assuming those track lengths are correct, here's a list (lengths from my Winamp library):
Blackwater Park - 75:54
Watershed - 71:18
Ghost Reveries - 66:46
Morningrise - 66:00
Orchid - 65:26
Still Life - 62:25
Deliverance - 59:50
Heritage - 57:04
My Arms, Your Hearse - 52:30
Damnation - 43:18
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^ That list is with the bonus tracks included. So Heritage would be a little higher up otherwise.
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Those song lengths are long enough to satisfy me.
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Those song lengths are long enough to satisfy me.
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Also, totally called it that Heritage would be an intro track. I'm too lazy to find the post where I said that, but it's ITT somewhere.
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The only sad part about those lengths is that assuming a lot of the tracks are at all heavy or metal based to a certain degree, this will crush what I've been telling people about how Opeth does not have a heavy track that is under 6 minutes.
Also I bought my ticket yesterday afternoon. Got it directly at the box office since I was in the area and saved myself about $14 in service fees from Ticketmaster.
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New Interview with Frederik Akesson!
https://puregrainaudio.com/interviews/interview-with-opeth-guitarist-fredrik-akesson
:metal
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Interesting track lengths.
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I'm really looking forward to this. Those track lengths suit me fine.
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Sample of a new song played live!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefLenl1Tf4&feature=player_embedded
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Metal :metal
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Intense :neverusethis:
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I think I can already say that that song is going to be my favorite on the new album.
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:rollin :rollin
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God, I love Mikael so much for that :rollin :metal
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Anyone want the Watershed DVD with the 5.1? I listed mine on eBay here: https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250844977670#ht_500wt_898
Kind of pissed after clicking "edit listing" all the album details and picture got erased but... Oh, well. I'm reliable. :lol
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Mikael is god :rollin :rollin
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Sample of a new song played live!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefLenl1Tf4&feature=player_embedded
That sounds rather mainstream. Are Opeth selling out?
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Dude, everyone knows Opeth sold out when they made Damnation.
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Dude, everyone knows Opeth sold out when they made Damnation.
More like they sold out when they made a non-heavy song like "To Bid Farewell" on Morningrise. :biggrin:
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LOL at Akerfeldt
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Opeth at Graspop is streaming from here this evening:
[url]https://www.skynet.be/generation-nl/muziek/festivals/live[url]
Wonder if soundboard quality would be an excuse to play something new?
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Opeth at Graspop is streaming from here this evening:
[url]https://www.skynet.be/generation-nl/muziek/festivals/live[url]
Wonder if soundboard quality would be an excuse to play something new?
Thanks dude! I'm watching the stream right now, cool that they're broadcasting all these bands (especially Opeth though, now there are shitty emo and hardcore bands, but it's fun to watch anyway).
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Thanks for the link.
Avenged Sevenfold singer has a DT shirt on :metal
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Link isn't working :sadpanda:
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They only played Opeth for 3 mins anyways, then switched to a different band :tdwn
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They only played Opeth for 3 mins anyways, then switched to a different band :tdwn
Yeah, bummer. Anyway, RAH DVD is really, really good. The sound is fantastic (sounds like they got their live guitar sounds right since they got Fredrik in the band?), and the venue and camera work have a better atmosphere than their other DVD's. I especially didn't like how bright the Roundhouse Tapes is. Looks like they kept the house lights on?
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So i've been listening to Still Life, Blackwater Park, and Ghost Reveries quite a bit recently and I wanted to ask what album to listen to next?
for reference my favorite album is BWP and my top 5 favorite songs are
1. Ghost Of Perdition
2. The Leper Affinity
3. The Moor
4. Harlequin Forest
5. The Drapery Falls
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Watershed.... easily.
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So i've been listening to Still Life, Blackwater Park, and Ghost Reveries quite a bit recently and I wanted to ask what album to listen to next?
for reference my favorite album is BWP and my top 5 favorite songs are
1. Ghost Of Perdition
2. The Leper Affinity
3. The Moor
4. Harlequin Forest
5. The Drapery Falls
Deliverance
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either that or Watershed.
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I will definitely be looking into those albums soon
Thanks guys.
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Watershed = best album eva.
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Ok looks like Watershed won the coin toss between it and Deliverance.
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Man am I the only one that thinks watershed isn't all that great?
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So, Opeth and DT are both with Roadrunner, their albums are comming out roughly the same time, any idea when we can expect to hear a song off the new album?
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So, Opeth and DT are both with Roadrunner, their albums are comming out roughly the same time, any idea when we can expect to hear a song off the new album?
Think I heard Mikael say in an interview somewhere that he wants to try to release the album without having any songs being prereleased
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So, Opeth and DT are both with Roadrunner, their albums are comming out roughly the same time, any idea when we can expect to hear a song off the new album?
Think I heard Mikael say in an interview somewhere that he wants to try to release the album without having any songs being prereleased
Makes sense. I can see this bieng an album that has to digested in one sitting, for sure.
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At first I wasn't looking forward to the new album after i heard about it, but after listening to them so much recently i'm more excited than before.
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Man am I the only one that thinks watershed isn't all that great?
It's good, but it's certainly not their best. Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park, and Still Life are definitely better, and I might rate some others ahead of it as well.
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I think that their best is Blackwater park...so dark and so misterious.
And don't forget Deliverance/Damnation. especially Damnation...it is such a masterpiece of emetions and loneliness.
wathershed is also great, but it is more proggy, wich I like, but from Opeth I've always expected power, evilness and pathos.
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Watershed is magnificent, but it's best served listening to in one sitting. It has always struck me as being one song short though.
If you were after more of the 10 min death prog epics, then it ain't for you though, which probably explains the diverse opinions. For mine, Blackwater Park was the pinnacle of that era of the band, and My Arms, Your Hearse and Still Life were leading up to it and Akerfeldt has kind of been looking for the next "thing" ever since.
Morningrise is superb. I won't hear a bad word spoken about it. :)
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Morningrise is superb. I won't hear a bad word spoken about it. :)
I like you.
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So i've been listening to Still Life, Blackwater Park, and Ghost Reveries quite a bit recently and I wanted to ask what album to listen to next?
for reference my favorite album is BWP and my top 5 favorite songs are
1. Ghost Of Perdition
2. The Leper Affinity
3. The Moor
4. Harlequin Forest
5. The Drapery Falls
That's an excellent Top 5. :tup
Man am I the only one that thinks watershed isn't all that great?
It's good, but it's certainly not their best. Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park, and Still Life are definitely better, and I might rate some others ahead of it as well.
Ditto.
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Watershed is the best thing they've ever done.
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Morningrise is superb. I won't hear a bad word spoken about it. :)
I like you.
*blushes*
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Morningrise is superb. I won't hear a bad word spoken about it. :)
I like you.
*blushes*
Me too :) I contend that Moringrise is my favourite Opeth album, for it's sincere atmosphere and for it's youthful ambition. Sure some of their other albums are more polished, but to be honest I really enjoy the raw emotion and rebelliousness exhibited on those early albums. Clearly a band trying to go in a different direction to the somewhat bland death metal scene their time. Having it on vinyl doesn't hurt either :laugh:
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Morningrise is superb. I won't hear a bad word spoken about it. :)
I like you.
*blushes*
Me too :) I contend that Moringrise is my favourite Opeth album, for it's sincere atmosphere and for it's youthful ambition. Sure some of their other albums are more polished, but to be honest I really enjoy the raw emotion and rebelliousness exhibited on those early albums. Clearly a band trying to go in a different direction to the somewhat bland death metal scene their time. Having it on vinyl doesn't hurt either :laugh:
My first Opeth purchase was Deliverance but as an old prog fan from way back I was very impressed when I got around to buying Morningrise. I think Akerfeldt's 70s influences are very plain and the album has a great mix of melody, heaviness, clean and death vocals as well as an almost folky atmosphere at times. Plus it has the epic Black Rose Immortal as well as the beautiful To Bid You Farewell, two of my favourite Opeth songs. Advent and The Night And The Silent Water are also very good.
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I had a dream like night that I was in a cafe, and Opeth randomly appeared on stage and played the entire new album live, but about a minute into them starting, I was called backstage for some reason I can't remember and missed the entire thing.
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Man am I the only one that thinks watershed isn't all that great?
it's good, certainly, but not as good as previous offerings. many people cite Blackwater Park as their favourite, personally mine is Ghost Reveries. production/music and mastering make it perfect! :metal
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It's not the best thing they've ever done, that's for sure. If you think Watershed is the best think they've ever done, you're bonkers!
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I'm bonkers.
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"Bonkers" means sexy, btw.
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Man am I the only one that thinks watershed isn't all that great?
Same. I actually like Deliverance better than Watershed. It isn't that Watershed is BAD, it just isn't up to the standards of, say Blackwater Park or Ghost Reveries.
Mind you my favorite Opeth album is Morningrise, so YMMV.
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IDK if its been done and I'm far too lazy to check, but why don't we do an album ranking for Opeth in the thread? Opinions are so diverse, moreso than DT dare I say, it'd be interesting to see what comes out. Takers?
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It happens naturally all the time. We don't need to force another one...
...must.... resist...
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Why not, it has been a while. :biggrin:
1. Ghost Reveries
2. Deliverance
3. Still Life
4. Blackwater Park
5. My Arms, Your Hearse
6. Watershed
7. Orchid
8. Morningrise
9. Damnation
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1- Blackwater Park
2- Watershed
3- Ghost Reveries
4- Still Life
5- Damnation
6- Deliverance
I haven't listened to the first 3 yet :(
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Ghost Reveries
MAYH
Watershed
Still Life
Morningrise
Orchid
Blackwater Park
Damnation
Deliverance
This changes often...
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1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. Watershed
4. Deliverance
5. Still Life
6. Damnation
I haven't bothered with the first three yet.
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1. Blackwater Park
2. Still Life
3. Ghost Reveries
4. My Arms, Your Hearse
5. Watershed
6. Damnation
7. Deliverence
2-4 are interchangeable, haven't heard the first two yet.
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1.Morningrise
2.Ghost Reveries
3.Blackwater Park
4.Still Life
5.Deliverance
6.Damnation
7.Watershed
8.My Arms, Your Hearse
9.Orchid
Love them all, but that's the order I grab them in when I want to hear Opeth.
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1. Blackwater Park
2. Watershed
3. My Arms Your Hearse
4. Still Life
5. Deliverance
6. Ghost Reveries
7. Orchid
8. Morningrise
9. Damnation
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1- Blackwater Park
2- Ghost Reveries
3- Damnation
4- Still Life
5- Deliverance
6- Watershed
I've only listened a few songs of the first three.
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ooohhh rankings again fun fun fun
Still Life
Watershed
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
My Arms, Your Hearse
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Damnation
Orchid
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Rankingswat?
Blackwater Park
My Arms, Your Hearse
Watershed
Damnation
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Orchid
Deliverance
Morningrise
But we all know Heritage is going to be the worst because its going to have no growls and it'll be all 70s and shit.
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I'm actually really excited about Heritage, if it lives up to the hype, it could easily end up high on my list at least.
Time will tell. :hat
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Blackwater Park
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Watershed
Damnation
Deliverence
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
Orchid
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Blackwater Park
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Watershed
i haven't heard any of the others yet
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Opeth suck.
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bant
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New shirts available.
(https://www.bandstores.co.uk/prodimages/Devil_Dudes.jpg)
https://www.bandstores.co.uk/shop/opeth/proddetail.php?prod=omerch_opeth_dudesTS
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The last time I bought something from OMerch, it fit like a medium and had the sleeve size of a XXL, but it was supposed to be a large. I'm still trying to figure out how they managed to fuck it up that badly. Not ordering from there again.
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I'm not "preordering" a shirt. That's dumb.
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Opeth are dumb.
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herpity derp
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Opeth are dumb.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_2956.png)
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Opeth are herpity derp.
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lol tshirt preoder
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lol tshirt preoder
Unless your a 3x like me and they don't have my size at the shows.
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lol tshirt preoder
Unless your a 3x like me and they don't have my size at the shows.
I said "preoder" as in you get the shirt and it smells already :lol
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:rollin
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:lol I could help you with that too!! :lol
It at least would make it more RORORORORO!!
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Watershed
Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Damnation
Still Life
Orchid
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
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Watershed
Ghost Reveries
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So close...
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Watershed is my favorite album of all-time so it's going to be number 1 always :lol Ghost Reveries would be in my top 10 though.
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Finally getting around to watching the Albert Hall DVD. Man, Akerfeldt's growls are not so hot.
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Maybe he was like
"Hey I have an idea. I'll fuck up the growls on this DVD, that way, the fans WON'T WANT ME to growl on the next album!"
Or something
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The music sounds great, sometimes it just sometimes sounds like he's grunting it out shouting rather than growling. :lol At least compared to the When video on youtube, which is pretty much flawless. His clean vocals are still superb, although he doesn't seem to think it's anything special from the interview.
Also awesome to hear his inspiration from Townsend for talking on stage.
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Oh yes, there's a noticeable difference in how he growls. I like the style on the RAH DVD, but not as much as the style on Roundhouse Tapes.
Interestingly, Ariich was at the RAH concert. (If not the one filmed for the DVD, then one of the other 5 anniversary shows). I think I remember him saying that in a live setting he didn't notice it, but picked up on it when he watched the DVD.
Rich, you did say that, right? Am I remembering correctly?
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I'm actually all for Mikael not growling.
I mean, I still love it when he does it, but if it's hurting his voice to the degree that his clean vocals will suffer, then it's better to prioritize that.
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I agree. But I'm still kind of sad about it.
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I don't know if it was me who said it here Drew, but it's certainly correct that it was the case for me. I didn't really notice a difference at the gig itself, as the sound is so huge that it's hard to spot subtleties like that, and let's face it, it's not like the change is that huge. But it's definitely more noticable on the recording.
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Yeah, when I saw him on that tour he sounded great; it's not the same on the DVD.
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Maybe he did a Steven Wilson and re-recorded the vocals afterwards in the studio? ;)
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Maybe he did a Steven Wilson and re-recorded the vocals afterwards in the studio? ;)
Ooo when's SW done that?
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He did it on Coma Divine, guess he wasn't happy with how the vocals turned out. :P
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He did it on Coma Divine, guess he wasn't happy with how the vocals turned out. :P
Didn't know that, thanks :)
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Yeah, when I saw him on that tour he sounded great; it's not the same on the DVD.
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
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Don't know if anyone has seen this yet.
https://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/20950784/Heritage/Product.html?searchstring=Roadrunner2011&searchtype=musicall&searchsource=0&source=12401&cur=257&urlrefer=search&strefer=musicall&searchfilters=s{Roadrunner2011}%2bc{34}%2b&P36=URT2E5&affid=roadrunnerrecords&awc=buyat&_$ja=tsid:11516|prd:roadrunnerrecords#
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Does "free delivery" mean free shipping to the US?
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Does "free delivery" mean free shipping to the US?
That does not seem to be the case.
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DVD :D
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
o/
October 5th here
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September 29th here.
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July 23rd here.
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
o/
October 5th here
o/*\o
I'm not even a fan of either but the tickets are cheap and I'm not doing the driving. I'll give both bands some listens. Hopefully Opeth will finally click with me. Katatonia is a band I got introduced to in my roulette, so they are due for a listen anyway.
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The song that made me love Katatonia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moZwgUex4aA)
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The Great Cold Distance is better, but that song is awesome.
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September 29th here.
awww yea.
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o/
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\o
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FAIL
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The song that made me love Katatonia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moZwgUex4aA)
Nice! Really like it.
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My show's on Halloween... I'm kind of afraid to go. :lol
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The song that made me love Katatonia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moZwgUex4aA)
Nice! Really like it.
:2metal:
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My show's on Halloween... I'm kind of afraid to go. :lol
awesome
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Opeth fans could probably like Brave Murder Day by Katatonia 'cause it's Mikael himself growling on that album! :metal
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
Hey I may be there too.
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For anyone interested in my little rankings excercise, here are the results:
Blackwater Park
Watershed
Ghost Reveries
Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Deliverance
Dammnation
Morningrise
Orchid
Pretty consistent with my own rankings actually, only difference being I've got Deliverance where Dammnation is an vice versa. Orchid does suck though clearly.
EDIT: fucked the spreadsheet up. Now doesn't match my ratings at all. Orchid still sucks though.
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Orchid deserves way more respect than it gets. So does Morningrise.
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Morningrise sucks. Orchid is great.
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I will end your soul.
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Orchid deserves way more respect than it gets. So does Morningrise.
This, they are both really good albums.
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
Hey I may be there too.
Nice! What venue is it? My friend was vague about details...Orlando, WPB, or Fort Lauderdale?
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Orchid deserves way more respect than it gets. So does Morningrise.
Take me :heart
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Morningrise sucks. Orchid is great.
You seem to have gotten that backwords. :p
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Oops. But I bring good news. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/opeth/sonisphere/
Tune in Sunday at 5:50 BST to see Opeth's set in full at UK Sonisphere.
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yessssssssssss
too bad I'll be driving home from blacksburg at that time.
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
Hey I may be there too.
Nice! What venue is it? My friend was vague about details...Orlando, WPB, or Fort Lauderdale?
Orlando, House of Blues. I'll be there.
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Finally just bought Watershed :)
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I fucking can't wait for Devil's Orchard. Why don't they just put it out or something...
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The song will be streamed at the end of the month per (LOL) an Opeth forum.
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Seeing Opeth with Katatonia on October 1st.
Hey I may be there too.
Nice! What venue is it? My friend was vague about details...Orlando, WPB, or Fort Lauderdale?
Orlando, House of Blues. I'll be there.
Hope to meet up (I'll be with a friend (s)), maybe have a few drinks with ya man!
Also, I haven't read the whole thread. Have they already started touring? If so, setlist?
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Oops. But I bring good news. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/opeth/sonisphere/
Tune in Sunday at 5:50 BST to see Opeth's set in full at UK Sonisphere.
the fuck is BST?
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Oops. But I bring good news. https://www.roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/opeth/sonisphere/
Tune in Sunday at 5:50 BST to see Opeth's set in full at UK Sonisphere.
the fuck is BST?
Bullshit time
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:lol :lol
I lol'd really hard.
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Opeth will be on very soon! 10-15 minutes!! :metal :metal
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Roadrunner's bullshit converter gave me 11:50 instead of 12:50. That's bullshit.
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Yeah, me too. I slept through that so I was raging when I woke up. :lol
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Totally forgot about this and just now tuned in. Yay! :metal
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The Grand Conjuration :metal
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The Grand Conjuration :metal
:metal
My mate's there, the lucky bugger ;D
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Keys are completely inaudible on the stream. :(
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Does anyone else get audio and no video?
I was watching Mastodon earlier too and same thing. It's a blank stream with clear audio.
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Does anyone else get audio and no video?
I was watching Mastodon earlier too and same thing. It's a blank stream with clear audio.
Tried a different browser?
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chrome, firefox, and safari!
Now I'm about to try my PC instead of OSX
EDIT: Worked. I don't know why my Mac wouldn't do it. inb4 lolmac
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FACE OF MELINDA!!!!!
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FACE OF MELINDA!!!!!
FUCK YESSSS!!!!! Amazing
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Opeth? More like Chillpeth :hat
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Dat ass. :rollin
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Lotus Eater pretty much owns live.
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Keys are completely inaudible on the stream. :(
Keyboard solo ruined :(
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Too bad you couldn't hear that cool keyboard solo/thingie.
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Lotus Eater pretty much owns live.
I really just wish they'd play a new song. I don't care if the wind makes it sound a bit shitty.
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OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN
I'm loving this right now. Not a bad mix for a live-streamed show, and the video quality's fantastic. Face of Melinda was especially great.
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Only 50 minute show. It's a pity, i'm loving it
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LOL @ the headbanging. :metal
Also, Master's Apprentice :hefdaddy.
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"I'm just a poor clock-maker from Switzerland" :tup
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"That's why my timing is so good" :lol
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God damn this is amazing
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God I love this song
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Hex Omega. Interesting choice for a closer.
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Oh yes, Mikael Akerfeldt's unibrow streamed live to my desktop in HD. My life is now complete.
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Hex Omega. Interesting choice for a closer.
They closed with that when I saw them at Prog Nation 09. I remember thinking I wish they'd swapped the last 2 songs around and closed with Deliverance.
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Hex Omega. Interesting choice for a closer.
They closed with that when I saw them at Prog Nation 09. I remember thinking I wish they'd swapped the last 2 songs around and closed with Deliverance.
This. I saw them too on that tour and it was pretty anticlimactic to be honest.
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He just said "see you on tour in November". UK dates in November? YESSS
I've yet to see Deliverance live, I hope they bring it back for the coming tour.
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New interview - mostly about Heritage and all that - but also revealing his love for Road Salt One and him bringing PoS on tour this fall!
Edit: https://www.radiometal.com/en/article/opeth-information-hunting-in-the-toilet,36520 (https://www.radiometal.com/en/article/opeth-information-hunting-in-the-toilet,36520) Thanks for noticing the missing link! :facepalm:
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link?
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I thought Katatonia was playing with them?
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I think Katatonia is just for the North American leg of the tour. PoS is for Europe.
EDIT: Awesome interview. Mikael is so cool.
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I think Katatonia is just for the North American leg of the tour. PoS is for Europe.
God dammit they need to switch the two around.
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fuck no they don't. Katatonia is so good, and I can't wait to see them.
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Actually, as much as I love Katatonia, I wouldn't mind them switching. I love PoS and I wouldn't pass up the chance to see them live. Especially in North America.
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I'd like them to switch so Opeth would have a supporting act with more than one song.
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I admit it, I lol'd
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You're so wrong, frog boy.
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I think Katatonia is just for the North American leg of the tour. PoS is for Europe.
God dammit they need to switch the two around.
This. So. Much.
Katatonia is so bad.
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Wowowowowoowwow....POS and Opeth on a Euro tour...that's going to be phenomenal....I AM.....there :hefdaddy
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I think Katatonia is just for the North American leg of the tour. PoS is for Europe.
God dammit they need to switch the two around.
Or just cut all opening acts because Opeth > Everything
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god dammit PoS are due for a north american tour
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Meh.
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I'd rather see PoS than Katatonia. I mean, Remedy Lane is a pretty good album. I've had "A Taste of Blood" stuck in my head for a few days now, so I'd at least like those songs. "Sisters" is great too. Katatonia has "Forsaker" and every song that sounds like it.
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pos over katatonia? you've gotta be shittin me.
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I'd definitely prefer PoS to Katatonia.
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Nov 08 Academy Bristol, United Kingdom
Nov 09 Academy Newcastle, Australia
Nov 10 Picture House Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Nov 11 Academy Manchester, United Kingdom
Nov 12 Academy Birmingham, United Kingdom
Nov 13 Brixton Academy London, United Kingdom
Nov 15 013 Tilburg, Netherlands
Nov 16 Le Bataclan Paris, France
Nov 17 Krakatoa Mérignac, France
Nov 18 Santana Bilbao, Spain
Nov 19 Penélope Madrid, Spain
Nov 22 Apolo Barcelona, Spain
Nov 23 le Rockstore Montpellier, France
Nov 24 Alcatraz Milan, Italy
Nov 25 Les Docks Lausanne, Switzerland
Nov 26 Komplex Zurich, Switzerland
Nov 27 Theater fabrik Munich, Germany
Nov 30 Longhorn LKA Stuttgart, Germany
Dec 01 Essigfabrik Cologne, Germany
Dec 02 Huxleys Berlin, Germany
Dec 03 Große Freiheit 36 Hamburg, Germany
Dec 04 Trägårn Gothenburg, Sweden
Dec 06 Ice Hall Helsinki, Finland
Dec 09 Scentrum Scene Oslo, Norway
For all you lolEuropeans
EDIT: something tells me the November 9th date is incorrect :lol
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I'm pretty sure that show on November 9th would require time travel. Which would be awesome.
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Idk, they might be able to make it with a private plane, and if they were completely immune to jetlag...
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Gothenburg but not Stockholm, interesting...
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I'm assuming these are the dates with PoS instead of Katatonia.
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Keys are completely inaudible on the stream. :(
Keyboard solo ruined :(
It wasn't just in the stream, the keys were really quiet there for pretty much the whole set. Apart from that the mix was fantastic from where I was standing. :D
EDIT: Oh and although I couldn't really hear his keyboard playing, his backing vocals were awesome. There was some really nice 3-part harmony going on!
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:lol :lol at the date typo :D
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Nov 18 Santana Bilbao, Spain
*smilees*
Now I only need to find someone that will come with me, none of my friends like Opeth (which automatically demotes them to acquaintances).
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Go by yourself if you have to. DON'T MISS IT.
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I'd like them to switch so Opeth would have a supporting act with more than one song.
Yeah, Opeth are much more diverse: 10-minute songs featuring both acoustic sections with clean vocals and death metal riffing with growls are SO surprising and unexpected! Not to mention the 3/4-tempo!
Don't get me wrong, I like Katatonia and Opeth equally, and would love to see them both on the same stage, (lucky Americans!) but I feel Katatonia has evolved more over the years (listen to Gateways of Bereavement, Murder, Teargas and Leaders in a row and you get my point) whereas the core of Opeth's music has mostly remained the same. This will change on Heritage, though.
Dec 06 Ice Hall Helsinki, Finland
The last time Opeth were in Finland they played 4 club gigs, and now they'll do only ONE and it's in the Ice Hall? And no gig in their home city, Stockholm? Interesting...
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I'd like them to switch so Opeth would have a supporting act with more than one song.
Yeah, Opeth are much more diverse: 10-minute songs featuring both acoustic sections with clean vocals and death metal riffing with growls are SO surprising and unexpected! Not to mention the 3/4-tempo!
>because everything on the internet is serious.
I mean shit dude. He's talking about a band I LOVE, and I know he's joking around.
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Ah, I thought he disliked Katatonia, I didn't get that it was a joke! :facepalm:
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Well actually, I don't think Seth likes Katatonia. But we joke about shit like this all the time with each other.
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I dislike Katatonia and I think every song sounds the same. At least Opeth write riffs that can be easily distinguished from one another.
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I dislike Katatonia and I think every song sounds the same.
Stop listen to the same song by them, then ;D
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Not my fault Katatonia printed every copy of "Night is the New Day" with 12 copies of the same song with 12 different titles.
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So what you are saying to me is that Forsaker, Idle Blood and Inheritance sounds like the same song?
Oh my...
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I think the only Katatonia albums with songs sounding like each other are Brave Murder Day and Discouraged Ones, but they are awesome! :metal
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I'll admit that Katatonia can get repetitive at times. I just don't care. Music can be repetitive without getting boring. They have a formula, it works, and they stick to it.
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Even Opeth has a formula. Needless to say, it works very well.
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OPETH AND POS AT MANCHESTER ON 11TH NOVEMEMBER I AM FUCKING THERE DJFSDFFDSHFOSZDFHG :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! :metal :metal :metal
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Katatonia are just an Opeth cover band anyway.
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Katatonia are just an Opeth cover band anyway.
that...I...uhh....
wat?
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Katatonia are just an Opeth cover band anyway.
L
O
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yeah that's pretty funny.
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Katatonia are just an Opeth cover band anyway.
Not really.
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Opeth and Pain of Salvation? 6 date UK tour? HELL FUCKING YES
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Guys, i've found a little snippet of what supposedly is "Famine" from the new album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzeLRR3Taqw
If you ask me, it sounds genuine, but what do you guys think?
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Printed a ticket a while back for Opeth + Katatonia, 9/29/11 in Charlotte, NC. Get at me if you're in there like swimwear.
And to the NightIsTheNewDay haters, srsly? Hate the genre or style if you must, don't hate the band/album, because both are amazing on it.
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Katatonia is really great live, so is POS. I'm not sure which band i would prefer to see with Opeth.
Oh well, i have been on a festival featuring all of those bands. And Riverside. :coolio
Guys, i've found a little snippet of what supposedly is "Famine" from the new album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzeLRR3Taqw
If you ask me, it sounds genuine, but what do you guys think?
I don't know. It does sound like Opeth a bit, but... it could be something else. I don't know what to think about it
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Printed a ticket a while back for Opeth + Katatonia, 9/29/11 in Charlotte, NC. Get at me if you're in there like swimwear.
And to the NightIsTheNewDay haters, srsly? Hate the genre or style if you must, don't hate the band/album, because both are amazing on it.
I'm fine with the genre and style. I just don't think Katatonia are all that great. AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME.
I would have been going to Charlotte but due to better day-placement I'm going to Atlanta instead.
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Katatonia is pretty good.
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I'm fine with the genre and style. I just don't think Katatonia are all that great. AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME.
https://youtu.be/vQ3yYtqqoS0
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Printed a ticket a while back for Opeth + Katatonia, 9/29/11 in Charlotte, NC. Get at me if you're in there like swimwear.
I'm going to that one. Getting my VIP ticket Saturday.
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Guys, i've found a little snippet of what supposedly is "Famine" from the new album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzeLRR3Taqw
If you ask me, it sounds genuine, but what do you guys think?
May i ask how long you are going to ignore me? :lol
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I never saw your post.
I don't know what to think about that. It could be real, but at the same time, there's a good chance it isn't. I'd like to know the validity of it before I pass judgment.
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I don't really want to listen to any samples before the new album anyway :)
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Today I bought tickets to see them on December, 4th.
Can't wait! :hefdaddy
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I'm really excited for this album. I think Watershed is somewhat uninspired (which is a bit strange since Ghost Reveries brought in some new elements to the Opeth creative pool and is pretty great to boot), despite having some great material in there. Mikael's comments on the new material make me hopeful, not because of the musical direction, but because he's doing something he likes, as opposed to forcing some extreme metal elements where they don't fit (like in Hessian Peel imho). Also, I'm pretty sure that, despite the apparent change of direction, it'll still sound like Opeth in the end. Just throwing that out there.
tl;dr
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Printed a ticket a while back for Opeth + Katatonia, 9/29/11 in Charlotte, NC. Get at me if you're in there like swimwear.
I'm going to that one. Getting my VIP ticket Saturday.
So what's that all about?
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- 1 General Admission ticket
- Meet and Greet with Opeth before show
- Early Entry into venue.
- 1 High Quality Embroidered Opeth Tour shoulder bag including:
- 1 Special Opeth VIP Tour T-shirt
- Limited-edition Opeth tour poster signed by the band at the meet and greet
- Limited-edition Opeth guitar pick tin with Opeth guitar picks
- Commemorative Opeth show-specific VIP tour laminate
$225
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i'm jelly
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- 1 General Admission ticket
- Meet and Greet with Opeth before show
- Early Entry into venue.
- 1 High Quality Embroidered Opeth Tour shoulder bag including:
- 1 Special Opeth VIP Tour T-shirt
- Limited-edition Opeth tour poster signed by the band at the meet and greet
- Limited-edition Opeth guitar pick tin with Opeth guitar picks
- Commemorative Opeth show-specific VIP tour laminate
$225
Damn, did not see that deal when they first went on sale. Half of me is glad, or I'd be out another $200. ;D
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I got one of those too. My bank account isn't happy but when I take Mikael home with me I will be.
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I got one of those too. My bank account isn't happy but when I take Mikael home with me I will be.
Is your show after September 29th?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ht1seTCcDQ&feature=relmfu
Interesting comments here from Akerfeldt about the growling from RAH. Nice to know that it was a minor problem.
Also sucks to hear he was robbed twice.
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I got one of those too. My bank account isn't happy but when I take Mikael home with me I will be.
Is your show after September 29th?
Yep, you'll be fine. ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ht1seTCcDQ&feature=relmfu
Interesting comments here from Akerfeldt about the growling from RAH. Nice to know that it was a minor problem.
Also sucks to hear he was robbed twice.
Has he lost weight?
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I'm watching the interview clips now. It's fair to say that this album is not going to please everyone. Personally I'm excited about it and looking forward to hearing it but anyone wanting another "traditional" Opeth album is going to be disappointed. The live shows will be particularly interesting in terms of what they play and what the audiences expect/want.
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I just had a thought. I hope the new album isn't anything like The Throat of Winter. By Opeth standards, that song is rather boring.
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Here's a quote from a Blabbermouth user about the new album:
... I'm lucky enough to have been given access to the album and, as a fan since 1997, I am happy to report that it is absolutely amazing. Yes, it is different to their past albums, but it still sounds very much like Opeth. There will no doubt be plenty of bitching due to there not being any death vocals, but any open-minded Opeth fan will love 'Heritage'.
Like any Opeth record, there are plenty of heavy/evil moments and also plenty of beautiful/quiet moments. Those worried it won't be heavy can rest easy because the main riffs on 'I Feel the Dark' and 'Famine' are some of the best and heaviest of Mikael's career. True Opeth fans should know not to doubt Mikael's talent and taste - he hasn't put a foot wrong yet and, once again, he has come through with the goods. The musicianship on this record is some next-level shit (each member is given plenty of space to shine) and the production is warm, earthy and not over-produced like so much modern metal.
I for one was ready for a change and hope the band get the recognition they deserve for this classic "metal" album. It is definitely still metal, just not as extreme as past records. And it definitely isn't a dissapointment as some people are predicting/fearing. Those who want to hear growls should just listen to the old Opeth records or Bloodbath while the rest of us enjoy listening to this brilliant band progress.
Anyway, I don't ususally comment on forums but just wanted to put a few minds at ease after reading the comments.
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Sounds real promising :tup
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Yeah, if what he's saying is true, my expectations for this album just shot through the roof.
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Though I'm practically a day-old-convert, and only have the BP album, this new album will be equal in priority to DT in Sept.
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I am excited! :D
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I'm still not sure why anyone has any doubt that this next record will be good. I mean, I hate to be a raging fanboy, but if you're like me and think Opeth have been a special, special band thus far, why doubt Akerfeldt now? Sure, they're changing styles, but the guy's a fucking genius. :lol
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Possibly... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMIUwsQRn_0
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After downloading that Jazz album by Jan Johansson, and Mikael saying it's heavily influenced by it, this could be real.
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not sure if that's official or not, but opeth or not, it's cool!
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It's fake.
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Sure? Or a hunch, or what?
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Sure? Or a hunch, or what?
The guy who uploaded that also uploaded every other "song" from the album, and this is the only one that is even slightly believable, so I don't think it's real.
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It's fake, on the Opeth forum someone had bought the French RockHard magazine and it was mentioned that the title-track is a piano solo like Silhouette: https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?t=11411
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I'm still not sure why anyone has any doubt that this next record will be good. I mean, I hate to be a raging fanboy, but if you're like me and think Opeth have been a special, special band thus far, why doubt Akerfeldt now? Sure, they're changing styles, but the guy's a fucking genius. :lol
I've just been very uneasy that this album wouldn't be a "rocker." I'm fine with no death growls. I just want heaviness, something to rock out to. If Heritage was an atmospheric, ethereal prog rock album, I would be disappointed. (Which is what I was beginning to expect). But according to that guy on Blabbermouth, that's not the case. If his description is accurate...I'll be very happy.
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I kinda agree Gadough, but I wouldn't be dissappointed if it was a more ethereal album.
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The special edition of Heritage will include...an Opeth coin?
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=160832
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/soulflypremiere/heritagecoin.jpg)
Eh, whatever.
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....Why....?
:\
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....What would I even do with it?
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"United States of Opeth"
"In Prog We Trust"
Fuck that's stupid.
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....What would I even do with it?
Somebody on Blabbermouth suggested using it at Chuck E Cheese. :lol
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:lol
Maybe you can use Opeth money at Opethland. It's like Cartmanland but hairier
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LOL
Edit: It's not through the label, it's from somewhere else. I'll wait and see what RR's preorder bundle is before I decide. I know I want it on vinyl, so I'll just wait.
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Found out from the Opeth board that The Devil's Orchard will be out in 9 days.
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Sexy.
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:lol @ coin. That's awesome. :clap:
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Found out from the Opeth board that The Devil's Orchard will be out in 9 days.
:caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Via what? Youtube, Facebook, Roadrunner, official website?
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all of the above?
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"Streaming exclusively via a U.S. site". No idea which though.
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Saw this :p
(https://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/7990/8182196.jpg)
could have been done better though :p
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haha :lol
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Someone should make that a picture with Bear Grylls instead.
"No growls on Heritage? Better drink my own piss."
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(https://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/7990/8182196.jpg)
TO SHARE WITH ALL MY FRIENDS :neverusethis:
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New band-photo, with Mikael looking like some sort of maffia-boss :lol :
(https://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/66663756/Opeth++PNG.png)
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Mikael is the new Godfather!!!
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Cool! :hefdaddy
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Found this on the Opeth Forums:
- "This is much more of a watershed album than Watershed! I don't what Heritage is to be honest. It's all over the place, which I love! You might think you understand the direction and then the next song comes on and you're like "What the fuck just happened?" That's the kind of record I want to make and to listen to. It's all over the place. People call us Prog Rock, but it's not a retro thing. We're trying to do something new. I think if you listen to it. I don't think it's a retro-sounding record at all. It's fresh and new to me."
- "I normally hate it when people try and interfere but our manager Andy had said "I see a tree!" and subconsciously I had that tree idea in my head. I saw the roots going down and the Devil fooling around with the roots and there's a burning city and a crowd of people trying to pluck our fuckin' heads from the tree! I wrote that all in an email to Travis (Smith) and I'm biting my fist, thinking: "He's going to think I've finally lost it! But he said: "That's the coolest idea I've ever heard!" I wanted it to be a bit edgy, with the pile of skulls underneath the tree, which is all the old members, and all that kind of stuff. You look at it and you can laugh. But it's not a joke. I think it's probably the best album cover I've ever seen!"
- " Per was miserable and it was only a matter of time before he left anyway. We'd done everything we could to make him happy about being part of Opeth. I don't really know what happened, but suddenly the best, most joyous recording that we ever had turned into something that was very uncomfortable for all of us and we were wondering what the fuck was up. We felt that he'd crossed a line, so we discussed it and as soon as the album was done, I fired him. He was okay with it."
About Joakim - "The guy is crazy. He's one of these session musicians who prepares for every gig he gets like it has to be perfect! We've played one show with him and it went great. Also, he has a really good voice. Fredrik has got a good voice too. Between the three of us it's like the fuckin' Eagles now!"
- "The new album will be the focal point when we tour, but we've been through the discography because I want to play songs that work with the new album when we tour. There could be songs that we've never played before, even going back to the first album. It's a somewhat different approach to the live thing, it's gonna be fun!"
So the skulls actually are past members. Cool! :)
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Wow, so he straight-up fired Per? That sucks. :(
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Yeah, I read that before somewhere, can't remember where :(
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"...and as soon as the album was done, I fired him. He was okay with it."
Looking at that part of the sentence in isolation, I admit I lol'd. Sounds like a 1920s steel mill.
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"...and as soon as the album was done, I fired him. He was okay with it."
Looking at that part of the sentence in isolation, I admit I lol'd. Sounds like a 1920s steel mill.
:lol :lol
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"...and as soon as the album was done, I fired him. He was okay with it."
Looking at that part of the sentence in isolation, I admit I lol'd. Sounds like a 1920s steel mill.
Read it in Cave Johnson's voice.
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THATS the reference I was looking for :rollin
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I was the one who put da shit on there. Probably should have posted it here as well, too late.
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I was the one who put da shit on there. Probably should have posted it here as well, too late.
Awesome! :D Cheers for that :)
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I was the one who put da shit on there. Probably should have posted it here as well, too late.
So where did you get da shit from?
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I got da shit from the Classic Rock Presents...Prog magazine.
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The way Per left the band gives me a strong deja vu from the way Peter left. :P
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I thought Peter left of his own volition...
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I'm not sure in the end if he left or got fired (can't remember), but everything else was pretty much the rest about Peter dragging down the band more and more, by now writing any music or such.
Just going along kinda.
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Yeah, Peter got a job before he even told them he was quitting.
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After seeing them at Sonisphere, I can confirm that the three-part harmonies between Mikael, Fredrik and Joakim are awesome.
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Yea, I agree, having seen the live stream.
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Saw them first the first time yesterday. Fucking awesome. Weird choice of songs for a heavy metal festival, though. A lot of people seemed bored.
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Mike probably did it on purpose :lol
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Yeah, knowing him, that's very possible. :lol
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Saw them first the first time yesterday. Fucking awesome. Weird choice of songs for a heavy metal festival, though. A lot of people seemed bored.
Ah, I was wondering if anyone else from DTF would be there. Shame I didn't think to look into it ahead of time. And yeah, I totally agree with you about the weird set. I was pretty into them though so I didn't notice if people were bored.
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Saw this on another forum, pretty interesting (the first bit with the album titles). Not sure if you guys knew it or not (I knew the Blackwater Park one, but not the other two).
Let's check some more original Opeth album titles:
My Arms, Your Hearse - taken from a song by a prog/folk/rock band Comus
Blackwater Park - the name of a German prog band from the 70's
Watershed - out of a few definitions of the word the most suitable seems to be "an important period or factor that serves as a dividing line". It looks like Opeth told us that after "Watershed" we can expect a new direction. And, judging by those tidbits of information we are getting, "Heritage" WILL be a new direction. A more proggy, less deathy one, no doubt.
Opeth have always been a progressive band. From "Orchid" do "Still Life" they searched the best formula for their style, which, extremely successfully, was found on "Blackwater Park". "Deliverance" and "Damnation" continued what was started on "Blackwater Park", the only difference being the (not sosuccessful if you ask me) division of songs.
"Ghost Reveries" and "Weatershed" already are a turn towards the new - definitely less heavy, more keyboard-laden. It seems that "Heritage" will be a logical next step towards less "brutality" and more progression. The matter whether this is a good or bad thing is another thing entirely.
Interesting that "Watershed" means "dividing line", looks like we should have been expecting the change for a while :)
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The Devils Orchard playing now!!!
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/racket/ (https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/racket/)
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I haven't listened to Andrew's show in such a long time. What is the timestamp for the song?
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I don't know, it's live now I think
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Interesting song! Not mellow, but not very heavy, either. Lots of Hammond...
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That was great! :metal
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Will they upload the song to Youtube?
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The single gets released on the 27th I think. So, tomorrow :)
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.de/ Boxset for those in Europe.
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Devil's Orchard is fucking awesome, exactly what I wanted from the new album. Kinda like Hex Omega, too.
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I found the song on Youtube, but it is not from an official source, so i'm not sure if i can post it here. If it is ok to post it, please let me know.
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This is pretty rockin' :metal
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Yep, if the rest of the album is at all like this, it'll most likely be my AoTY by a landslide, in a year FULL of great albums. AWESOME!!! :metal
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Finally found it. This song kicks so much ass.
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Opeth - Heritage - US Deluxe Version pre-order: Click this really long URL (https://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/OPETH-Heritage-Deluxe-Box?utm_source=Opeth%2BD2C%2Blanding%2Bpage&utm_medium=landing%2Bpage&utm_campaign=Opeth%2BD2C%2BLanding%2BPage?intcmp=20110726/OPETH/ROADRUNNERRECORDS/D2CLINK/D2CSTORE)
Couldn't be happier forking over $85.99. Can't wait.
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Wow I might actually buy that.
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Wow I might actually buy that.
Just tweeted Roadrunner for a coupon code for giggles. Will keep thread updated.
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This is exactly what I wanted to hear on this album, being a guy who likes Watershed and Damnation the most.
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That was very cool. The first half moreso than the second though. I feel like in context with the full album, it'll be a lot better of a listen. Mikael's voice sounds astounding.
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Wish they were selling just the vinyl. From what we've heard it sounds like it would be a great way to listen to it. Ah well, I'll probably just get the special edition.
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September come NAO
:caffeine:
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My wallet hurts.
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https://stereogum.com/766792/opeth-the-devils-orchard-stereogum-premiere/franchises/haunting-the-chapel/ (https://stereogum.com/766792/opeth-the-devils-orchard-stereogum-premiere/franchises/haunting-the-chapel/)
Official URL to the song (from their Facebook). Listening right now - sounds very...different. But still very Opeth. I quite like it.
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Wow! Just got my mind blown for two days in a row. Yesterday I checked out SW's new track, which was really great. And now this!
Really enjoyed the hell out of that entire track. And strangely enough almost exactly the direction I thought they were heading.
And I have to give the edge to the ending, that was the most surprising part for me.
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Yeah, and I definitely like this direction overall.
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It was good. I'll have to listen to it again sometime later.
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I'm having trouble locating the song. Can anyone help?
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fuckin
I got work for the next 4 hours
want to listen so badly
>:(
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I'm having trouble locating the song. Can anyone help?
here's a link for it: https://stereogum.com/766792/opeth-the-devils-orchard-stereogum-premiere/franchises/haunting-the-chapel/
as for my opinion - very different to normal opeth but i LOVE it. f*** me, the second half is just insane. SO excited for the new album!
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Second half is insane indeed. I don't want to spoil anything for who hasn't heard it yet, but let's say a certain member is playing on top of his game at the end of the song. Holy crap.
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5 listens in a row. Can't believe some feel that an album full of this would somehow be inferior to growly Opeth.
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The song is just good, but from 4:45 until the end is fucking amazing!
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indeed, completely agreed. i have no idea why, perhaps somebody could elaborate upon this... but 4:45 onwards actually *really* reminds me of Dream Theater?!
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After the first minute and a half or so it starts really sounding like Opeth. Not sure what to think about this, save from that 1. Its kinda strange, 2. Nothing bad about it, 3. Weird-ass prog grooves, and 4. I don't think this would sound great on vinyl.
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Sounds good, and will likely sound even better once I hear it on the real CD, as opposed to this somewhat crappy-sounding file.
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Yeah, looking back, it's probably just a bad stream right now. I'd have to hear something better before really judging the whole vinyl thing.
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Such a weird-ass song! Two listens through and I still don't know what just happened. :lol
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Listened to it with the volume turned down super low on my shitty work computer, and from what I could hear, I really liked it. Mikael's voice sounds fantastic and I love the production, as well as the overall vibe the song gives off. Great song. Makes me very excited to hear the rest of the album.
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I really like the new song. Got some great prog elements in there.
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Just played this cranked up on my home setup (soundcard --> Yamaha M-85 --> Boston Acoustic VR2s) and it is rocking my house off its foundation. The Hammond really comes through when its cranked up. It's really a giant prog groove of awesomeness.
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produced mixed by Steven Wilson! sound quality for me is great - downloaded the flv from the link i posted above and converted by VLC media player. through my acoustic energy aego m's it sounds incredible! though the strength of this track comes the pre-order...
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Steven Wilson did not produce Heritage.
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^^ that. He just mixed it.
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I'm not doing this to be one of those people who prematurely praise an album to the heavens, but this might actually be in my top 5 Opeth songs already. :lol It's what they hinted at during my favourite bits of Watershed (ie, Hex Omega, Burden, Hessian Peel) but they haven't really developed up until now, and I'd take this over any BWP song (except Bleak) any day. Flame away.
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(https://berathe.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/tf2_pyro.jpg)
*flames*
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Ten seconds in and I like it already.
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Sigz did you new Thrice yet?
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Wow, that was awesome. I'm really excited for the new album now. Got my ticket for the October show too :caffeine:
Sigz did you new Thrice yet?
Yeah, I listened to it once. It was good, but it didn't blow me away or anything.
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I'm going to do the same thing I'm doing for DT and not listen to the single until the album comes out. Especially for Opeth, I much prefer listening if I've never heard a song from the album before, as their albums have such a great atmosphere.
But your comments have got me really excited!!! Can't wait :D
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The Opeth song was good, but I hope the rest of the album is a lot better.
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After listening to it 3 times my current opinion is that I... really don't like it, at all. The vocal melodies felt consistently awkward and out of place throughout the chorus and the verse. Hell, even the vocals themselves (and this is a complaint that I seldom have when it comes to Opeth) just feel wrong. Also, the instrumental section was so remorselessly wanna-be psychedelic proggy-woggy-wiggy nonsense that it was almost difficult to bear. I really hope that the rest of Heritage is not of the same quality.
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I honestly don't know what to think of this.
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I liked it a little more on my second listen, but its a middling Opeth song so far, but I like the direction. While I have no problem with growling, between this album and Damnation hopefully we can get some converts.
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I honestly don't know what to think of this.
Actually, that was much my thought as well. I like it, but I really don't know what to think of it. Despite Michael's assertions to the contrary, it has a definite retro, classic rock kind of feel to it, albeit from a weird world where Deep Purple and Camel got together and had a kid. It's...odd, to say the least.
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Sounds a lot like Watershed, really. Just a little more jazz influence and more of the so-called "70's sound."
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I like it... not sure how much.
Axe stole the show on that track for sure though.
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But I think the "god is dead" verse would have been better in the "deliverance" Mikael vocals.
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I really like it. Journalists who heard the album said it's a surprising decision to release it as a single and I see why.
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But I think the "god is dead" verse would have been better in the "deliverance" Mikael vocals.
Actually, I think it would work well either way. If done with death growls, it would imply anger, evil, darkness etc. With his clean vocals it gives me a sense of painful desperation. It's all about the emotion they were trying to convey, and they're clearly not trying to be evil this time around.
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Just saying it's a preference.
Hearing his vocals on Stand got me all excited for new Mikael evilness... now I may never get it... :-\
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Clean vocals throughout? Sign me up... maybe this will finally help me "get" Opeth.
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Great song :tup
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That was just a big WTF for me. I asked my sister today if she had heard the new Opeth song yet, and she got the most mortified look on her face and nodded. Clearly not impressed either. :lol
Clean vocals are one thing, because the last album had plenty of that, and was still very metal. But with the obvious attempt at trying to sound proggy 70s with that drum sound and fuzz guitar and loud hammond, I don't expect this album to be metal. It wants to be prog. And for me personally, that's not a good thing.
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Really in love with the track overall, but there's one vocal line in the middle of the song that keeps sounding really far fetched for me. Some death vox wouldn't have hurt the song, but most of the clean vocals are really good. He got the screamy clean vox going on in the verses which he already tried on Bridge of Sighs and they sound pretty badass!
The weirdest part def is the drums, bass and vox part. I keep having trouble discovering in which key he's singing, but when the guitars come in it gives a cool effect. Oh, and that guitar chord, could that be a little nod to Metropolis?
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Oh, and that guitar chord, could that be a little nod to Metropolis?
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Mikael's a huge fan of DT, he got into them when Images came out and he has all their records. So it could be intentional.
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Man, I keep wishing the guitar solo was longer. It's so freakin' orgasmic. So well placed in the track. I'm definately gonna see them live this November, and with PoS as special guest.. that's amazing.
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preordered my special edition cd along with ADCOE. Epic checkout.
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I like the new song, but it has disappointed me a little. It would be better with some parts being growled.
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After my first listen to the song, I must say it's underwhelming. Nothing grabbed me, and it needs some growls. Mikael's clean voice isn't that strong nor varied enough to completelly leave out the growls IMHO.
Nevertheless it still sounds like Opeth. I commend then for doing something different, I am still looking forward to the albums release.
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preordered my special edition cd along with ADCOE. Epic checkout.
Same here! o/\o
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preordered my special edition cd along with ADCOE. Epic checkout.
A Dramatic Chaos Of Events? :P
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This song was wicked.
Mind = blown
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I wish Omerch would hurry up and put up the boxset.
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preordered my special edition cd along with ADCOE. Epic checkout.
A Dramatic Chaos Of Events? :P
a dramatic change of heritage.
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A Dramatic Cloud of Events
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The Devils Orchard is pretty amazing, Its groovy and his vocals compliment the music.
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I'm very glad they went in that direction. I don't know how some growls would've fit in that particular song honestly. Looking forward to the album!
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I like it a lot. No growling is only a good thing IMO, I have never found growls to be musically interesting anyway. Growls can only make songs worse, and I think the record will be very good.
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Growls can only make songs worse
wut
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Growls can only make songs worse
wut
So so so so so wrong. I do agree, however, that growls really can't fit in with th emusic on this album.
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Growls can only make songs worse
wut
A matter of taste. Growls have never sounded anything but silly and ugly to my ears, it's just screaming with no dynamics. Singing > screaming in music. Screaming > singing if you're afraid. I do however like Opeth songs with growls, but they would have been better without them for me personally. Opeth is so varied and dynamic anyway, that it doesn't destroy it for me. Straight DM & BM on the other hand...
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A good growl/scream can have as much dynamic as clean singing. But hey, tastes and opinions.
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No dynamics? Have you LISTENED to "Blackwater Park?" Not preferring growls is one thing, saying they have no dynamics is silly. Also, screaming/growling requires an INSANE amount of talent, practice, and refinement. To imply that those who scream are "afraid" to sing is also just as silly.
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Gojira is a pretty good exemple too.
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...To imply that those who scream are "afraid" to sing is also just as silly.
That wasn't what I meant to say, at all. I just meant that I don't find screaming to sound good in music, and should be used in completely different situations. Screaming is, well, screaming, and is not something that I like listening to, in any situation. Growls just sound like angry men, but do not get past the silly point in my world. Well, enough of that discussion. Some like growls, I like Earth, Wind & Fire and Dream Theater. Different views on what's musically interesting I guess.
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Growls can only make songs worse
wut
A matter of taste. Growls have never sounded anything but silly and ugly to my ears, it's just screaming with no dynamics. Singing > screaming in music. Screaming > singing if you're afraid. I do however like Opeth songs with growls, but they would have been better without them for me personally. Opeth is so varied and dynamic anyway, that it doesn't destroy it for me. Straight DM & BM on the other hand...
Some people don't like growls. Cool. But some of the things you're saying here are actually ignorant.
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1. If you don't like growls (or other variations of harsh vocals), that's fine. That's your opinion and I completely respect that.
2. If you think they don't have any dynamics in the music and that they don't require talent, you're completely, 100%, dead wrong. Sorry. Hate them all you want, but don't assume that they don't have a place in the music just because they don't sound good to you.
3. If you can handle, and even appreciate the distortion of a guitar, what's so wrong about the distortion of a voice? The voice is, after all, another instrument....that's the one thing I'll never understand. Metal fans who love crunchy, low-end guitars, but don't like growls. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Everything Gadough said is basically right aside from that part about propane.
Growls, like them or not, take talent and practice just like singing. Or else you can totally fuck up your voice and sound like shit.
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Growls = WIN
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I love screaming and growls when they are used only sometimes and at the right places in the songs for example like screaming in Pain Of Salvation and I really hate when some bands scream or growl just because they think it's cool or because they want to scream cause they like the screaming itself even though the music suffers (Opeth is NOT this case of course). The worst thing about overusing growls and also the reason why the argument with distorted guitars and vocals comparsion doesn't make any sense at all is that growls doesn't have real pitch they have only tone while the sound of distorted guitar has pitch as any other melodic instrument. So they are great to bring something interesting and different to music but IMO it doesn't make very much sense to use them instead of proper singing. Drums doesn't have pitch either but they are rhythmic instrument and their main purpose is rhythm which can't but said about growls very much.
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I love screaming and growls when they are used only sometimes and at the right places in the songs for example like screaming in Pain Of Salvation and I really hate when some bands scream or growl just because they think it's cool or because they want to scream cause they like the screaming itself even though the music suffers (Opeth is NOT this case of course). The worst thing about overusing growls and also the reason why the argument with distorted guitars and vocals comparsion doesn't make any sense at all is that growls doesn't have real pitch they have only tone while the sound of distorted guitar has pitch as any other melodic instrument. So they are great to bring something interesting and different to music but IMO it doesn't make very much sense to use them instead of proper singing. Drums doesn't have pitch either but they are rhythmic instrument and their main purpose is rhythm which can't but said about growls very much.
Growls can be used rhythmically, it depends on the band. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpkjLHtylu0
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Growls have pitch.
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Good growls have pitch.
fixed.
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Growls/harsh vocals are awesome.
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Growls definitely enhance the atmosphere of the music, particularly in Opeths case.
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Thread's turned into growls vs. no growls...le sigh.
Meanwhile, The Devil's Orchard is still kicking ass.
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edit. never mind :-\
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Death and black metal bands would sound damn funny if there were no growls! :lol It took a long time for me to get into growling but now I accept it. I still prefer clean singing to growling but I like many bands with growls. Also: technically bad growling is more tolerable than off-key singing IMO.
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Just imagine Behemoth with Bruce Dickinson :lol
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Just imagine Behemoth with Bruce Dickinson :lol
I'd love to hear that just for the sheer novelty of it.
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Well...this is slightly Opeth-related, so I'm posting it here.
Bloodbath - Eaten (Radio Disney version) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRg8KjYROkM)
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I know I'm just being annoying now, but growls don't simply "enhance atmosphere" or whatever. Most growled sections of Opeth's music would sound stupid with clean singing.
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I agree as well, I was just trying to make a point :)
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Love you.
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Well...this is slightly Opeth-related, so I'm posting it here.
Bloodbath - Eaten (Radio Disney version) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRg8KjYROkM)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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:lol
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:lol
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That is amazing. :rollin
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:lol the chorus is fantastic
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I have finally come to a conclusion about TDO: Amazing.
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:rollin This is incredible.
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What's the general opinion on The Throat Of Winter?
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really bad?
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Hmm. I love it.
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It's a good song but they've done much better.
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So uh
Dirge for November
:heart
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Dirge for November
:heart
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I like Throat of Winter
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It's...just barely ok. It passes, but not by much.
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Demon of the Fall :heart :heart
I'm giving The Throat of Winter a listen and it's okay, its just not keeping that much interest to it.
I was expecting bombastic awesome growls at the 2:00 mark, and not that what happens is by any means yet, I just get really annoyed when something seems to be about to happen and nothing does. Picked back up around the 3:00 mark.
4:00 and on is what I wish this song would have been more of.
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When is pre-order? I want pre-order.
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When is pre-order? I want pre-order.
right now - google can help.
although omerch does have some pretty good deals on signed booklets and such.
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The more I listen to The Devil's Orchard, the more I love it. This song is a serious grower. With each listen I pick up on something I hadn't paid attention to before. So far, I'm liking this song MUCH better than anything off of Watershed. If the whole album is of this quality, it'll easily be my AOTY.
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The more I listen to The Devil's Orchard, the more I love it. This song is a serious grower. With each listen I pick up on something I hadn't paid attention to before. So far, I'm liking this song MUCH better than anything off of Watershed. If the whole album is of this quality, it'll easily be my AOTY.
B...bu....but Hessian Peel.
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Is certainly a good song, but far from spectacular.
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Is certainly a good song, but far from spectacular.
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Hessian Peel > Devil's Orchard
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Devil's Orchard certainly marks a new direction in Opeth's music. After listening to it I felt like it sounded very much like Opeth always has, but sans growling vocals and with jazz guitars and well... pretty much a new sound. I think Heritage might end up being hard for hardcore fans to accept.
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Hessian Peel > Devil's Orchard
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I just listened to the devils orchard for the first time and I was groovin through the first listen god is dead.
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You guys are silly.
Hessian Peel > anything else they've ever put out evar.
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Hessian Peel = 2nd least best track on Watershed.
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I really like The Devils Orchard, but seriously, there was a lot of moments where I thought "They seriously should've used a growl here, would've better" But it doesn't really ruin it for me either way but he had some of my favorite growls. At least there's always Bloodbath unless thats not going to be an active thing then I'd be bummed :L
Still a very solid and enjoyable song.
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You guys are silly.
Hessian Peel > anything else they've ever put out evar.
It's a solid song, but no way.
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Yeah it's an alright song but it's not my favorite on Watershed.
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You guys are silly.
Hessian Peel > anything else they've ever put out evar.
I lol'd.
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IDK, I just think it slays everything, manages to be the best of each of Opeths multiple facets and personalities in a single track.
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Hessian Peel = best track on Watershed.
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:rollin No. The Lotus Eater is.
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I really didn't like The Devil's Orchard, but the ending gives me hope that I won't hate this album totally. :yeahright
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You guys are silly.
Hessian Peel > anything else they've ever put out evar.
I lol'd.
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Guys, I'm serious, Ghost Reveries has to be the greatest album of all time.
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Hessian Peel is the second best on Watershed imo.
As a sidenote, a few seconds of the song is played during the intro of Mikael's radio-show
(inb4 people who don't know anything about this, even though i posted it here over a month ago ;) )
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Guys, I'm serious, Ghost Reveries has to be the greatest album of all time.
It is my favorite Opeth-album, but it wouldn't make my top10 or top15.
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You guys are silly.
Hessian Peel > anything else they've ever put out evar.
I lol'd.
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Does anyone else think The Funeral Portrait is underrated? I think its often overshadowed by others from the album.
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As a sidenote, a few seconds of the song is played during the intro of Mikael's radio-show
Is this in the King's English?
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Does anyone else think The Funeral Portrait is underrated? I think its often overshadowed by others from the album.
i didn't know how low it's rated, but it's damn groovy/catchy, and a little different than anything else they'd written up to that point. if its viewed unfavorably by the masses, then yes, it be underrated.
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Does anyone else think The Funeral Portrait is underrated? I think its often overshadowed by others from the album.
Love the riffs of this song :metal
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As a sidenote, a few seconds of the song is played during the intro of Mikael's radio-show
Is this in the King's English?
No, it's in swedish
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Guys, I'm serious, Ghost Reveries has to be the greatest album of all time.
It is.
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Guys, I'm serious, Ghost Reveries has to be the greatest album of all time.
It is.
It's been my favorite album of theirs since it came out. Not only that, I think it's their best album. Before it came out, I don't think I had a favorite (maybe BWP?)
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Blackwater Park. That is all I have to say on the subject.
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Blackwater Park. That is all I have to say on the subject.
The song or the album?
The song is one of their best, but the album is not.
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Both are the best actually.
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Honestly, I don't see what so impressive about BP, MAYH, SL, or any of the "oldies".
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That's because you're an H.
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Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Watershed
Damnation
Morningrise
Orchid
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Ghost Reveries
Watershed
everything else
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BWP
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Deliverence
Watershed
Damnation
MAYH
Morningrise
Orchid
Hayden, honestly have you even listened to those albums? Tell the truth.
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Watershed
MAYH
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Still Life
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
Orchid
Morningrise
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I've listened to SL a lot, seeing as it was my first Opeth album. I've spun MAYH, Deliverance, BWP, and Orchid a couple times too and I just don't see what's so great about them. They lack dynamic, or something. Haven't listened to Damnation or Morningrise though.
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They lack DYNAMIC?
Wow.
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They lack DYNAMIC?
Wow.
At least compared to GR. I usually don't like songs that are straight up death metal with loud indecipherable riffs. GR has the perfect balance of clean and heavy, and even when it's heavy, the sound is still crisp. I think every song on GR has at least one soft section, right?
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Well no shit. So do ALL of their albums.
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Well, that's where I disagree. Before GR, they just sounded muddy.
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I'm lolling so hard right now. I can't even think of a response to this right now. :lol
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...um, Letters was saying "no shit" to your question of having clean sections on every heavy song. I mean, its what they DO. Even Demon of the Fall has cleaner, melodic stuff in there. The muddiness on their first two albums is a production thing, but they fixed it up quite a bit on MAYH, and BWP's production is very good and have none of those "indecipherable death metal riffs" you're talking about.
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That's why I think he hasn't listened to these albums.
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I''ll have to listen to them again. I guess I'm more of a fan of melody-driven "obvious"-sounding music, which is probably why I like GR and WS the most. From what I've gathered, you guys like atmospheric, dreamy music, which might be why you like those better.
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God dammit Hayden.
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I find it a bit odd that you said the earlier ones lacked dynamic against Ghost Reveries, of all albums. Maybe this is just me, but I consider that one to be a fair bit less exciting than most of the albums that you are contending with, and I do believe that has to do with the dynamics, at least insofar as the changes in mood, if not style. To me that album is just a bit similar and boring in terms of pretty much keeping the exact same mood throughout and not really doing much with it.
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I'm pretty sure Blackwater Park has plenty of melodies to go around. Fucking hell dude, just actually listen to the album.
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I could understand his sentiments for the first 2 or 3 albums, but from Still Life onwards, there is a lot of dynamics, most of the riffs are heavy, not necessarily death metal riffs, I wouldn't call much of anything from SL-GR "muddy", and there are some cleaner moments throughout.
Ghost Reveries is actually the same kind of album as Still Life, BWP, and Deliverance, it's just there is more presence of keyboards and more atmosphere (the reason I like it the most btw)
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I'd probably rank Ghost Reveries third behind Blackwater Park and Still Life which is my favorite album of theirs. However, Ghost Reveries does contain my favorite Opeth song which is Ghost of Perdition.
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Ghost of Perdition is definitely in my top 5 songs.
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
I never cared for that one :neverusethis:
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
I didn't know they made an album called Ghost of Perdition!!! :metal
:neverusethis:
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heh. ghost of perdition. album. heh.
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
I never cared for that one :neverusethis:
it's a great album man you should give it a spin sometime
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
I never cared for that one :neverusethis:
it's a great album man you should give it a spin sometime
Can I have a link?
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I''ll have to listen to them again. I guess I'm more of a fan of melody-driven "obvious"-sounding music, which is probably why I like GR and WS the most. From what I've gathered, you guys like atmospheric, dreamy music, which might be why you like those better.
Then why don't you like Lady Gaga? :neveruesthis:
But seriously, BWP is melody-driven, "obvious," and has its fair share of the atmospheric acoustic parts.
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Okay, let's take Still Life as our example, since it's the one I'm most familiar with. The album starts off great with The Moor, which I really dig. But the rest of the album is just...boring. I dunno, I can't describe it. Maybe I'll do a song-by-song to organize myself.
Godhead's Lament is muddy and bland.
Benighted is a nice ballad, probably #2 on the album. Short n' sweet.
Moonlapse Vertigo is muddy and bland, again.
Face of Melinda is supposed to be a fan favorite, but I don't see what's so great about it. Sure, it's nice, but nothing compared to songs like Coil, Hours of Wealth, and Isolation Years.
Serenity Painted Death - Again, another boring song.
White Cluster - Boring, again.
I'm sorry, but Still Life is just a boring album, where Ghost Reveries is very emotional, very fear-inducing, very...moving. Hard to describe. The only "eh" songs (and they are only "eh" by comparison with the others on the album) are Baying of the Hounds and Beneath the Mire. Everything else is flawless as far as I can tell.
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I think my favorite album of theirs is Master's Apprentices :metal :metal :metal
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Oh dear lord.
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
I never cared for that one :neverusethis:
it's a great album man you should give it a spin sometime
Can I have a link?
No. It's so rare that it's not even on Youtube or Grooveshark. Only true fans have access to it. Apparently, you're not one of them.
What a shame.
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Godhead's Lament is muddy and bland.
Say what?
Actually that whole post was kind of a "say what?" but this especially. Needless to say, I do not agree kind sir.
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Godhead's Lament is muddy and bland.
(https://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/Reajeasa/Watsonfacepalm.gif)
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Okay, let's take Still Life as our example, since it's the one I'm most familiar with. The album starts off great with The Moor, which I really dig. But the rest of the album is just...boring. I dunno, I can't describe it. Maybe I'll do a song-by-song to organize myself.
Godhead's Lament is muddy and bland.
Benighted is a nice ballad, probably #2 on the album. Short n' sweet.
Moonlapse Vertigo is muddy and bland, again.
Face of Melinda is supposed to be a fan favorite, but I don't see what's so great about it. Sure, it's nice, but nothing compared to songs like Coil, Hours of Wealth, and Isolation Years.
Serenity Painted Death - Again, another boring song.
White Cluster - Boring, again.
I'm sorry, but Still Life is just a boring album, where Ghost Reveries is very emotional, very fear-inducing, very...moving. Hard to describe. The only "eh" songs (and they are only "eh" by comparison with the others on the album) are Baying of the Hounds and Beneath the Mire. Everything else is flawless as far as I can tell.
Honestly, Still Life was always my least favorite of their classic era (Still Life through Ghost Reveries), for similar reasons you mentioned. But you'll warm up to it.
What I do recommend you do, is get Blackwater Park and Deliverance, and then come back and try and make the same arguments you made before.
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Thank you darkshade for not being belittling.
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Godhead's Lament is muddy and bland.
(https://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/Reajeasa/Watsonfacepalm.gif)
Say what?
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I usually try not to belittle you, but it's REALLY hard here...
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Ghost of Perdition is the only good Opeth album anyway so this discussion is irrelevant.
I never cared for that one :neverusethis:
it's a great album man you should give it a spin sometime
Can I have a link?
No. It's so rare that it's not even on Youtube or Grooveshark. Only true fans have access to it. Apparently, you're not one of them.
What a shame.
:( Could I possibly trade in my lock of Mikael's hair and get it?
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their classic era (Still Life through Ghost Reveries)
I's actually say the classic era is MAYH through Damnation/Deliverence.
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their classic era (Still Life through Ghost Reveries)
I's actually say the classic era is MAYH through Damnation/Deliverence.
:tup
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Thank you darkshade for not being belittling.
No problem, I don't like it when it's done to me.
I used to only enjoy The Moor, Benighted, and Face of Melinda from Still Life, but after I got to know the following 3 albums, I eventually got into the whole album (this is around the time Ghost Reveries came out, or maybe before the album came out.). I say give it time, and also check out their other albums from the classic era, then go back and see how you feel.
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their classic era (Still Life through Ghost Reveries)
I's actually say the classic era is MAYH through Damnation/Deliverence.
Actually, you're right about MAYH, I actually consider that part of the classic era (I was thinking about SL so much, I forgot about MAYH)
But why don't you include GR in that? It's the same lineup as the previous 2 (technically 5) albums (per was there on D & D, just wasn't a permanent member until GR) and stylistically isn't much different than previous albums.
I always saw GR as the "peak" of that lineup, all the previous albums were leading up to it.
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I'm not sure why I don't consider it a part of that era. That's just how it appears to me. That isn't saying anything about the album though, I absolutely love it.
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Classic era is SL->BWP :p
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1) Still Life is incredible. It's the best Opeth album ever.
2) I don't think there's a classic Opeth era.
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1) Still Life is incredible. It's the best Opeth album ever.
No need to say more. :heart
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Working from home today, had Ghost Reveries playing at a healthy volume. At the conclusion of Isolation Years, this single cranks up being next in my iTunes library (sorted alphabetically): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elueA2rofoo When she said that first statement so loud, the juxtaposition between it and what just concluded made me nearly fall out of the chair laughing. I think Opeth should have this in their pre-show music.
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0037/0342/products/dB_cover_0911_large.jpg)
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Might have to pick that up. In addition to there being Heritage album details, the chick on the front is HOT! :xbones
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I'd do her.
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I'd do her.
Ya think she does Ånal?
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Yeah, but I heard she growls during sex. That would be a bit of a turn off.
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Yeah, but I heard she growls during sex. That would be a bit of a turn off.
It's case by case. I think if I got a piece of Angela Gossow and she started going into the chorus from Ravenous I'd let loose with force sufficient to knock Jupiter out of orbit.
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Hahaha, nice guys, nice. I've always enjoyed Decibel, its a fantastic magazine. :metal
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Yeah, but I heard she growls during sex. That would be a bit of a turn off.
It's case by case. I think if I got a piece of Angela Gossow and she started going into the chorus from Ravenous I'd let loose with force sufficient to knock Jupiter out of orbit.
:lol :clap:
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Still Life is really awesome.
Not that you guys don't already know this.
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Welp, Warner Music Group has pulled The Devil's Orchard off youtube and I can't get on Metalsucks so no new Skeletonwitch either. Day officially blows.
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Okay, let's take Still Life as our example, since it's the one I'm most familiar with. The album starts off great with The Moor, which I really dig. But the rest of the album is just...boring. I dunno, I can't describe it. Maybe I'll do a song-by-song to organize myself.
Godhead's Lament is muddy and bland.
Benighted is a nice ballad, probably #2 on the album. Short n' sweet.
Moonlapse Vertigo is muddy and bland, again.
Face of Melinda is supposed to be a fan favorite, but I don't see what's so great about it. Sure, it's nice, but nothing compared to songs like Coil, Hours of Wealth, and Isolation Years.
Serenity Painted Death - Again, another boring song.
White Cluster - Boring, again.
I'm sorry, but Still Life is just a boring album, where Ghost Reveries is very emotional, very fear-inducing, very...moving. Hard to describe. The only "eh" songs (and they are only "eh" by comparison with the others on the album) are Baying of the Hounds and Beneath the Mire. Everything else is flawless as far as I can tell.
Holy fucking shit dude.
I mean, seriously. I don't even know.
Fuck.
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:lol
Okay, just give me some homework. I've listened to SL maybe 10 times, always as an album listen. How do I appreciate it?
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I have no idea man. Godhead's Lament was the first Opeth song I ever heard, and the first death metal song I ever really gave a chance; I was in love by the second listen nad it's still my favorite Opeth song ever, so I have no idea what the fuck is wrong with you.
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Still Life is just a great peice of artistry, no more needs to be said.
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What would they care if I did stay?
No one would know, oh-hoh.
What would they care if I did stay?
No one should know, oh-hoh
:heart
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What would they care if I did stay?
No one would know, oh-hoh.
What would they care if I did stay?
No one should know, oh-hoh
:heart
I LOVE that part.
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See, I don't think that part is that great, certainly not compared to sections in GR like "climbing ever higher" and "nocturnally helpless".
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The Face of Melinda is awesome because of that epic transition halfway through the song. It's so beautiful and has such a great groove at the beginning, then dies down right before the guitars just cut through the quiet. Fantastic song and one of the first Opeth songs I really got into since the growls were a new thing for me too.
As for Serenity Painted Death...
DAT FUCKING RIFF
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nad
:lol I love me some typos
See, I don't think that part is that great, certainly not compared to sections in GR like "climbing ever higher" and "nocturnally helpless".
Come on dude, that's like saying I won't eat a fantastic burger cuz it doesn't hold a candle to a ribeye. I think Serenity Painted Death may be your best shot at getting into that album since it's got that groovin verse riff and the clean section at 4:27 lays a smooth transition to Mikael's scorchingly demonesque vocals starting at 5:28 which to date are probably his most crushing delivery yet.
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WHITE FACE
HAGGARD GRIN
THIS SERENITY PAINTED DEATH
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WITH A HALO OF BITTER DISEASE
BLACK PARAGON IN LINGERING BREATH
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WHITE FACE
HAGGARD GRIN
THIS SERENITY PAINTED DEATH
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CAN'T READ MY
CAN'T READ MY
NO HE CAN'T READ MY
POKER FACE
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:lol
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CAN'T READ MY
CAN'T READ MY
NO HE CAN'T READ MY
POKER FACE
Read that in growls. Lol'd.
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CAN'T READ MY
CAN'T READ MY
NO HE CAN'T READ MY
POKER FACE
HEAVY METAL LOVER
HEAVY METAL LOVER
:tup
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See, I don't think that part is that great, certainly not compared to sections in GR like "climbing ever higher" and "nocturnally helpless".
Well, then. You're hopeless and have no soul. We can just move on.
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Has no one noticed that the end riff to "Throat of winter" (latin-esque part) is really similar to the main riff in "The Devil's Orchard" ?
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I've been getting back into Opeth again recently! Listening to My Arms, Your Hearse! :metal
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Has no one noticed that the end riff to "Throat of winter" (latin-esque part) is really similar to the main riff in "The Devil's Orchard" ?
I wouldn't notice. Whenever I try to listen to that song, I get completely bored halfway through and stop paying any attention. I have no idea how it ends.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=161844
Mini-live CD coming out with a magazine. Not sure how easy it will be to obtain.
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Rock Hard magazine... Why would they release an Opeth album in a porn magazine?
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Rock Hard magazine... Why would they release an Opeth album in a porn magazine?
Have you listened to The Roundhouse Tapes?
"Time for porn music. Which scene is this? The blowjob scene or the anal scene?"
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=161844
Mini-live CD coming out with a magazine. Not sure how easy it will be to obtain.
MUST HAVE
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I'm guessing this isn't in English by any chance :sadpanda:
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HEIR APPARENT AND HESSIAN PEEL LIVE? :o
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They played Heir Apparent when I saw them live. :)
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cool way to introduce "The Devil's Orchard" to some folks. i'm not very interested in the live material, though — i think i'm too used to overproduced and overtweaked live records to ever enjoy their officially-released live albums!
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I approve of "The Devil's Orchard" - https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/music/Opeth--The-Devils-Orchard-3551.aspx
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"It is with great regret that Opeth are forced to cancel their September 10th appearance at the UniRock Festival in Istanbul, Turkey. Due to a conflict with the festival's promoter who were not able to fulfil their contractual obligations, our agent and management decided to pull out as we can't afford to risk financial loss. We hereby apologize to any fans who were expecting us to appear and we'll do our absolute best to schedule a new tour date for Turkey in the near future."
https://www.facebook.com/Opeth/posts/10150339730188410
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So they copy-pasted the text from Katatonia's Facebook and only replaced the band's name and the gig date! :lol I remember that happened with the Romania cancellation too.
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Unwinding snares of distrust
Your wrist in my fast grip
Look me in the eye, I'm clear
This is your time
FACE DOWN BENEATH THE WATER LINE :metal :metal
GAZING INTO THE DEEP :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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They played Heir Apparent when I saw them live. :)
Not when I saw them :( only The Lotus Eater both times which is... ok, but there are more awesome songs on Watershed, and Hex Omega the first time but back then I only knew Orchid and Morningrise. :lol I remember really liking it though.
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When I saw them (was only a festival-gig sadly), they played this set:
Heir Apparent
Ghost of Perdition
The Leper Affinity
Closure
The Lotus Eater
Deliverance
Deliverance was the highlight, one of my favorite Opeth-songs. :metal
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It was also festivals both times for me, Progressive Nation in 2009 and Metal Hammer Festival in 2010. These were the setlists:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2009/hala-sportowo-widowiskowa-luczniczka-bydgoszcz-poland-7bd78234.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2010/metal-hammer-festival-katowice-poland-23d5fc87.html
Because of MHF I fell in love with The Moor.
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It was also festivals both times for me, Progressive Nation in 2009 and Metal Hammer Festival in 2010. These were the setlists:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2009/hala-sportowo-widowiskowa-luczniczka-bydgoszcz-poland-7bd78234.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2010/metal-hammer-festival-katowice-poland-23d5fc87.html
Because of MHF I fell in love with The Moor.
I've been on both, too :) It was really great to hear Harlequin Forest , Deliverance and The Drapery Falls live.
BTW, MHF could have been the greatest festival ever if it wasn't for Korn
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Agreed, but I didn't care much, I just stayed for 2-3 songs or so and then left. It was awesome anyway.
Though Opeth should _not_ have played The Grand Conjuration second, as this led to my neck hurting as fuck already in the beginning of their setlist...
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Hessian Peel live?!?! :yarr
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GOOOOD IS DEEEEAAAAAAADDDDD
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GOOOOD IS DEEEEAAAAAAADDDDD
Heritage NAO
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Video-Opeth-Goes-Record-Shopping-23278.aspx
I love these guys :heart
New music too!
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/Video-Opeth-Goes-Record-Shopping-23278.aspx
I love these guys :heart
New music too!
I saw that too, awesome. :heart
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Awesome! :heart
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Finally clicking with Still Life and all those other songs I bashed in the past. Really enjoying Godhead's Lament. The only lame part is the "Sii-ii-ii-iin" thing. I don't really like it. But the rest is just so sooo Opeth. :metal
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Finally clicking with Still Life and all those other songs I bashed in the past. Really enjoying Godhead's Lament. The only lame part is the "Sii-ii-ii-iin" thing. I don't really like it. But the rest is just so sooo Opeth. :metal
I don't know lyrics too well. When about timestamp wise good chap?
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It might not be GL now that I think about it. Could be SPD.
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Don't stress bro. My Arms Your Hearse was the first album I bought by them and I still have to mentally listen to sections until they transition to the next sometimes for reference so I can be sure of which song I'm thinking of.
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It's about 7:45 of Serenity Painted Death. Hate that transition.
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The part where he goes from the clean vocal bridge into the growling "white face, haggard grin" chorus?
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Yeah. I just don't like the transition.
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Yeah. I don't think that exactly turned my crank when I first heard it either. I think over time the whole context of Mikael's sorrowful delivery during that bridge lent itself to the despairing descension in the melody going lower and lower until the beast resumes in the chorus. Not being an apologist, just saying the framework of the mood made sense to me after the initial discomfort but yeah it could've been done better.
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The part where he goes from the clean vocal bridge into the growling "white face, haggard grin" chorus?
That is maybe the best part of the song.
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My favourite part of Serenity Painted Death is definitely the entire "Darkness reared its head..." section with the following solo. I've never seen such an incredible, both very poetic and extremely brutal and heavy, description of someone being in a murderous rage. Both the lyrics and the music in that part are amazing.
But my favourites on the album are still The Moor and White Cluster...
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The part where he goes from the clean vocal bridge into the growling "white face, haggard grin" chorus?
That is maybe the best part of the song.
This definitely. WTF?
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Went through a few years of adoring Opeth but can't seem to rekindle it since Watershed. Odd really as the jazziness appeals greatly. Just can't work out what emotions they're meant to be bringing out in me. The Devils Orchard feels the same...
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The reason I love Watershed and its atmosphere is that it's not even 1/4 as dark as Ghost Reveries, it's significantly less heavy and has more calmer moments, but the whole album feels like... there's something wrong. Like there's something terrifying coming but you don't know what, how, or why do you even have that feeling. (With a Katatonia reference I'd call it a kind of "a darkness coming".) Hex Omega is the strongest case of this, especially the soft parts which seem perfectly calm and quiet, but for some reason they give me chills. The booklet and overall artwork strengthten that feeling even more.
It's not my favourite Opeth album, but it's a great one and I really enjoy it. I admit I'm a bit worried about Heritage but I kinda liked The Devil's Orchard, especially the "drown in the deep mire"-style instrumental part.
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Opeth albums I know and love: Blackwater Park, Damnation, Ghost Reveries, Still Life, Watershed
...In preparation for new release time, what back-catalogue disk should I tackle next? (It took me a while to "get" Opeth, but I'm in the OMGOPETH club now.)
I only checked out Still Life after hearing Face of Melinda from that live show they did a few months back that was broadcasted live. The entire thing is really spectacular though. Still Life has turned me onto the back catalogue.
I hear MAYH is a good next step?
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I'd go for Deliverance first, but that's because I don't think that highly of MAYH. You can't really go wrong though.
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MAYH is fantastic. Get it now.
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Definitely My Arms, Your Hearse - one of their best albums! :metal
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I approve of "The Devil's Orchard" - https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/music/Opeth--The-Devils-Orchard-3551.aspx
I don't like it. I definitely don't like the whole "god is dead" thing. My theory. They want to play more diverse music but are afraid to lose the death metal listeners so they take away the harsh guitars and vocals and go with black metal lyrics. I guess the music is good but if I want to listen to Opeth I want to hear the harsh guitars and spooky atmosphere. This song just isn't working for me. :sad:
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Opeth albums I know and love: Blackwater Park, Damnation, Ghost Reveries, Still Life, Watershed
...In preparation for new release time, what back-catalogue disk should I tackle next? (It took me a while to "get" Opeth, but I'm in the OMGOPETH club now.)
I only checked out Still Life after hearing Face of Melinda from that live show they did a few months back that was broadcasted live. The entire thing is really spectacular though. Still Life has turned me onto the back catalogue.
I hear MAYH is a good next step?
Morningrise is definitely my favourite of the early ones, it is incredibly atmospheric and has some amazing ideas, but it REALLY isn't an easy album to get into and may take time to appreciate. Same goes for Orchid though it's a bit more chaotic and shows quite obviously they were pretty inexperienced back then (but still a nice album).
I approve of "The Devil's Orchard" - https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/music/Opeth--The-Devils-Orchard-3551.aspx
I don't like it. I definitely don't like the whole "god is dead" thing. My theory. They want to play more diverse music but are afraid to lose the death metal listeners so they take away the harsh guitars and vocals and go with black metal lyrics. I guess the music is good but if I want to listen to Opeth I want to hear the harsh guitars and spooky atmosphere. This song just isn't working for me. :sad:
Well, they were never particularly religious in their lyrics (the main character in Still Life is a romantic idealist but also an atheist... I'm not really sure this was a coinscidence). And I totally doubt it's going to be "WE'RE ANTIRELIGIOUS NOW UUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH", the lyrics probably have some reason too. The Grand Conjuration is basically a song about an occultist ritual and taken out of context you could accuse them of various weird shit, but if you take the context of the whole album then it's most likely the main person losing his sanity after constant inner struggle between his good and evil sides. I doubt Opeth just dropped all the interesting ideas for the lyrics and went for stupid "we so blasphemy lol" nonsense.
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(It took me a while to "get" Opeth, but I'm in the OMGOPETH club now.)
It's a good club to be in. :tup
But yeah, MAYH is amazing, check that out.
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Well, they were never particularly religious in their lyrics (the main character in Still Life is a romantic idealist but also an atheist... I'm not really sure this was a coinscidence). And I totally doubt it's going to be "WE'RE ANTIRELIGIOUS NOW UUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH", the lyrics probably have some reason too. The Grand Conjuration is basically a song about an occultist ritual and taken out of context you could accuse them of various weird shit, but if you take the context of the whole album then it's most likely the main person losing his sanity after constant inner struggle between his good and evil sides. I doubt Opeth just dropped all the interesting ideas for the lyrics and went for stupid "we so blasphemy lol" nonsense.
Totally agree. However, they are usually much more subtle. I read the lyrics and I can't really figure out what the context is supposed to be. But then I find that is usually the case with Opeth. But I really do think they're trying to add more of a diverse audience without loosing their old one. Or it could be that their tastes have changed. I read an interview recently where they were saying that they felt like everyone is using the same harsh sound and it was becoming unoriginal.
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Opeth albums I know and love: Blackwater Park, Damnation, Ghost Reveries, Still Life, Watershed
I hear MAYH is a good next step?
no. it is not.
deliverance & morningrise slay MAYH & the debut
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Opeth albums I know and love: Blackwater Park, Damnation, Ghost Reveries, Still Life, Watershed
I hear MAYH is a good next step?
no. it is not.
deliverance & morningrise slay MAYH & the debut
Hogwash is what your peddlin' boy. Deliverance the track is generally well liked by the Opeth fans I've known irl and on here but the album usually takes a backseat to MAYH by consensus. Banny, I'd say listen to When (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZHajw3-3s) and Demon of the Fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrBrH5PZtcc) and if you like these then MAYH should bode well for you.
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Opeth albums I know and love: Blackwater Park, Damnation, Ghost Reveries, Still Life, Watershed
I hear MAYH is a good next step?
no. it is not.
deliverance & morningrise slay MAYH & the debut
Hogwash is what your peddlin' boy. Deliverance the track is generally well liked by the Opeth fans I've known irl and on here but the album usually takes a backseat to MAYH by consensus. Banny, I'd say listen to When (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZHajw3-3s) and Demon of the Fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrBrH5PZtcc) and if you like these then MAYH should bode well for you.
Agreed. The title-track on Deliverance is one of their best songs, but the rest drag on and are quite meh by Opeth standards.
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Agreed. The title-track on Deliverance is one of their best songs, but the rest drag on and are quite meh by Opeth standards.
A Fair Judgement?
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Deliverance doesn't have a single bad song.
Wreath, title-track, Masters Apprentices and A Fair Judgement all slays.
By the Pain I see in Others and or Absent Friends are both fantastic as well.
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Agreed. The title-track on Deliverance is one of their best songs, but the rest drag on and are quite meh by Opeth standards.
A Fair Judgement?
It's one of the better songs on the album but the doom outro goes on too long.
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Personally, I'd go for Deliverance or Morningrise. Both are awesome. Can't remember anything off of My Arms, Your Hearse. None of that stands out to me. :-[
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Can't remember anything off of My Arms, Your Hearse. None of that stands out to me. :-[
When?
Demon of the Fall?
Credence?
April Ethereal?
The Amen Corner?
:o
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Don't forget the Epilogue and Karma. And Prologue.
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And Madrigal...
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I got Damnation today. It's easily one of the most beautiful albums I have.
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inafter christians are offended by the lyrics that quote a philosophical statement that is always blown completely out of water.
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inafter christians are offended by the lyrics that quote a philosophical statement that is always blown completely out of water.
I'm not offended.
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I'm not Christian...or offended...or relevant to this debate in any regard whatsoever :blush
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Personally, I'd go for Deliverance or Morningrise. Both are awesome. Can't remember anything off of My Arms, Your Hearse. None of that stands out to me. :-[
hey, someone with the same stance!
as for deliverance not owning, the only track i'd say that isn't completely awesome is wreath, but even wreath slays the entirety of MA,YH
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I am more excited for Heritage than any other album in the past year! Anyone have a countdown timer for it? :metal
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Samples of Heritage: https://rockserwis.pl/serwis.do?menu=main&pid=131751&cat=12&mcat=12&l=2
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My god that's compressed SO MUCH
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Sound quality aside, I am excite! :metal
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This album is going to be genius!
I hope it sounds better than these samples, though. Considering Jens Brogren mastered - who did a good job with the last couple of albums - and Steven Wilson mixed it, I don't think it will sound bad in high quality.
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it definitely won't sound like that. The sample of The Devil's Orchard sounds terrible from it's sample on that page, but good on the RR's Youtube page
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Boner.
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Based on those samples, Slither sounds absolutely kick-fucking-ass. If that whole song holds out as awesome as the sample, it might be some of the coolest, most refreshing sounding 4 minutes Opeth has done their whole career.
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I'm liking these samples, though the sound quality, as others have noticed, is fucking awful. I almost stopped listening to them.
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Starting my first listen of the album now. The title track was pretty good!
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I'm officially going to abstain from reading this thread for the next eighteen days.
See you guys on the other side(and threads)! :metal
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Starting my first listen of the album now. The title track was pretty good!
:metal
Just heading into "I Feel The Dark" now.
Edit: Changed my post a little to keep this thread about Opeth :)
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Folklore is fucking incredible
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I'm cool with other folks talking about it but A) I don't wanna have anything spoiled by accidentally reading about it and B) this thread may get overrun with leak talk (I think there may be a forum rule against leak speak but I'm not sure) to the extent that any other Opeth conversation may be few and far between.
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Rule against leak speak is for DT stuff.
No, it is for all stuff, but it usually isn't enforced for non-DT stuff. It wasn't when Devin Townsend's last two DTP albums leaked in the late spring. Not sure I'd risk it, but if you do, definitely put it all in small text, so as not to spoil it for those of us who are gonna wait. :)
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I'll listen to it later. My god, so much shit to listen to!
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How the hell do you spoil an album?
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give details about it before they've heard it? idk i wouldn't know
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Saying things like "Oh btw, the butler did it".
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Yeah spoiler alert- turns out Mikael was a ghost the whole time!
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give details about it before they've heard it? idk i wouldn't know
Theres a drum fill in Folklore
HAHAHAHAHAHA SPOILED THE ALBUM
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How the hell do you spoil an album?
There might be twists and turns that you don't see coming, and that can be cool as hell on a first listen, but if you have already read about them, then you are already know they are coming.
For example, the ragtime bit in DT's The Dance of Eternity is something no one saw coming when Scenes came out, but if you had read about it beforehand, that moment of "Holy shit, this is ragtime in a Dream Theater song!" would have been lost.
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Is it a spoiler for me to tell everyone that it's really, really, REALLY good?
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It is now, assface.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Don't know about you, but I would have been all like "a ragtime bit in my DT?! Gotta hear that shit."
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Colonel Mikael in the library with the candlestick.
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Yes indeed this album is really, really, REALLY good.
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Not a big fan of Slither. What does everyone else think about this?
I take this back. Song rules on second listen.
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Just to clarify, this:
Rule against leak speak is for DT stuff.
No, it is for all stuff, but it usually isn't enforced for non-DT stuff. It wasn't when Devin Townsend's last two DTP albums leaked in the late spring. Not sure I'd risk it, but if you do, definitely put it all in small text, so as not to spoil it for those of us who are gonna wait. :)
is correct. The reason it wasn't enforced for Devin was because Devy himself spoke out saying that he was happy for people to get it in advance if they wanted to, he just wanted to get his music out there as much as possible. For everything else, no discussion of leaks, although talking about the material itself is generally fine (apart from DT, obviously).
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Well, greatest album ever.
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SO GOOD!
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Pretty disappointed thus far
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Pretty disappointed thus far
what? It's like the greatest thing ever.
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It really is. Might be their best since BWP.
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the new album is sex
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Pretty disappointed thus far
what? It's like the greatest thing ever.
Sorry, but the album bored me for the most part. Perhaps it'll grow with a few listens but there's not a whole lot of memorable parts or vocal melodies or anything in my **humble opinion**.
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It really is. Might be their best since BWP.
Ten bucks says you've said that on every album since BWP.
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It really is. Might be their best since BWP.
Ten bucks says you've said that on every album since BWP.
.... no I haven't?
I haven't even been an Opeth fan that long. I started listening after Watershed was released.
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Oh, then let me rephrase...
You will continue to say that for every Opeth album that will ever be released.
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Cole, go listen to Machine Head or something.
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I will.
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Alright then.
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I like it so far, bit of a letdown though, not as "proggy" as I thought it would be.
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While I don't always agree with Ryan, his opinions on things are usually pretty solid. You just gotta give him like a good two weeks to get out of his "BEST EVER" phase when he hears new stuff and after that you can get a pretty good assessment out of him. It's not just Ryan either, a lot of people are this way.
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While I don't always agree with Ryan, his opinions on things are usually pretty solid. You just gotta give him like a good two weeks to get out of his "BEST EVER" phase when he hears new stuff and after that you can get a pretty good assessment out of him. It's not just Ryan either, a lot of people are this way.
I feel like I'm starting to come to a realization.
This usually only happens when I'm drunk. And I'm drunk quite a bit...
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While I don't always agree with Ryan, his opinions on things are usually pretty solid. You just gotta give him like a good two weeks to get out of his "BEST EVER" phase when he hears new stuff and after that you can get a pretty good assessment out of him. It's not just Ryan either, a lot of people are this way.
Best post ever, though I may revise my opinion in a week or so.
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I was halfway through Slither, and I realized something....Opeth is my favorite band, and for that reason, I'm actually going to wait until release day to listen to the whole thing. I normally never do this, but this is an exception.
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I was halfway through Slither, and I realized something....Opeth is my favorite band, and for that reason, I'm actually going to wait until release day to listen to the whole thing. I normally never do this, but this is an exception.
I really really really dont understand why people do this. I mean, it would make sense if you're getting the boxset or something maybe.
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I was halfway through Slither, and I realized something....Opeth is my favorite band, and for that reason, I'm actually going to wait until release day to listen to the whole thing. I normally never do this, but this is an exception.
:tup :tup
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I'm waiting as well, of course :)
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I was halfway through Slither, and I realized something....Opeth is my favorite band, and for that reason, I'm actually going to wait until release day to listen to the whole thing. I normally never do this, but this is an exception.
I really really really dont understand why people do this. I mean, it would make sense if you're getting the boxset or something maybe.
Like I said, I never do this. Opeth is a really special band for me, moreso than any other band. I feel they deserve the respect I can give them by waiting until I have a copy of the album to listen to it.
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Personally I don't think the band really cares when or how you listen to the album, but that's cool I guess.
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:lol
I know they don't. I'm doing it for me; it's more of a personal thing.
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I was halfway through Slither, and I realized something....Opeth is my favorite band, and for that reason, I'm actually going to wait until release day to listen to the whole thing. I normally never do this, but this is an exception.
Devin Townsend is my favorite person in the entire omniverse, and I still listened to Deconstruction the second I was able to. Lo and behold, favorite album ever.
*flame shield up* The lack of growls hurts this album very much.
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But...what if there were to be two omniverses? Would he be your favorite person in both?
:neverusethis:
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But...what if there were to be two omniverses? Would he be your favorite person in both?
:neverusethis:
He would be all 3.
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I was halfway through Slither, and I realized something....Opeth is my favorite band, and for that reason, I'm actually going to wait until release day to listen to the whole thing. I normally never do this, but this is an exception.
You accumulate more and more cool points with me by the day. They've been my fave since '04. Tell me when you got into them as well as some things like what the first song(s) you heard by them was/were and what made them stand head and shoulders above the rest.
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The first Opeth song I ever heard was The Drapery Falls. I was reading reviews on Amazon and stumbled upon Blackwater Park. Some guy wrote a review that focused entirely on TDF without mentioning the rest of the album. I thought this was funny, but it intrigued me enough to make me listen to the song. I was floored. At the time, it was the most amazing piece of music I'd ever heard. (I was a hardcore metalhead at the time; all I listened to was Pantera, Slayer, Megadeth, etc). The Drapery Falls is now my 3rd favorite Opeth song, with only Deliverance and Ghost of Perdition beating it.
So from there, I got Blackwater Park. I credit that album for getting me out of my "metal-only" rut. It opened up so many doors for me to discover new music I would have previously ignored. Prog mostly, but it taught me not to pigeonhole my interests into one genre ever again. The second album I got was Ghost Reveries. Oh boy. I'm not even going to try to describe how much I love that album. It's my favorite album ever. I've listened to it more than anything else, and I never get tired of it. I go back to it all the time and I'm always stunned at how perfect it is. I could listen to it on repeat for the rest of my life. By extension, Ghost of Perdition is my all-time favorite song from any band.
After those two albums, I realized how special this band was, and I got everything they've released. (Minus the Lamentations DVD, I still need to get that...) The amount of quality music this band has put out is unsurpassed. I may not be big on Orchid, but I adore everything else, including Watershed. I sometimes playfully knock on that album, but it's only because it had the unfortunate task of following Ghost Reveries. It's still a nearly perfect piece of work.
Pinpointing what makes this band so special for me is difficult. It's one of those things you feel that's impossible to put into words. If I have to try, I'll say that the atmosphere the music creates, and the emotions it makes me feel, is what keeps drawing me back to Opeth. The greatest thing about this band is their marriage of beauty with ugliness, gentleness with brutality, and good with evil. They make me feel as if it's ok to feel extreme emotions of any kind, as long as there's a healthy balance. They cover the whole spectrum.
Basically...their music feels complete, and it makes me feel complete. When I'm listening to Opeth I can feel powerful enough to climb a mountain one second, evil enough to slaughter a puppy the next, only to be brought back in by the feeling that I'm at peace with myself, and that the world isn't such a bad place after all. Listening to Opeth is an emotional roller-coaster ride, but an immensely satisfying one. I never get as involved in the listening process as I do with this band. It's so rewarding to just kick back, relax, and let Opeth's music take me places and teach me about myself.
So yeah...I think that covers it. Opeth is awesome.
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as is Heritage.
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Nice post Gadough! Good read :)
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Pretty disappointed thus far
what? It's like the greatest thing ever.
Sorry, but the album bored me for the most part. Perhaps it'll grow with a few listens but there's not a whole lot of memorable parts or vocal melodies or anything in my **humble opinion**.
I agree. After my first listen I was pretty bored. But I know, you can't judge an album by one listen. I'll certainly give it more chances.
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Gadough....Ghost Of Perdition is also my favorite Opeth song........ROCK!
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:metal :metal :metal :metal
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Good post indeed Drew. I first got into them by downloading a few random tracks since I remember seeing them be one of those brief darlings of guitar magazines from '02-'04 where they always mention (seemingly) the same 10-15 bands each issue for months at a time. The first song I listened to was Demon of the Fall. To this point I'd only been into Death and Cynic as far as pure roaring vocals went and was somewhat neutral toward that style at that point but I put up with it in order to enjoy the excellence of the music itself.
I dug the ominous vibe of it and once they went into the sus2 chords that eventually have the "run away, run awaaaayyy..." part sang over them I was really taking notice. Once I discovered they had "another guy" who handled clean vocals (I thought they had two different singers at first since I'd never seen a singer who did both at that point in time) I was floored to hear how much it enhanced the overall sound. I also had downloaded all of BWP minus TFP and the title track. Bleak's clean vocal chorus and the solo section that occurs during the acoustic section was chillingly amazing to me. I also liked Lopez's use of specifically non-metal drumming too the way he mixed it in with the more standard double bass passages.
After spending seven years with them as my favorite band I'm kinda dying for a new one but no other band out there seems to do it for me as much. I need to listen to more shit.
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I've listened to it a few times and i have to say it isn't very good. Devil's Orchard, which I had been disappointed by when i first listened to it, turned out to be one of the best tracks. I also liked Nepenthe, Haxprocess, Famine and Folklore... the rest wasn't memorable at all.
Well, maybe it will grow on me.
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Still trying to figure out if I like it or not. I generally don't like the notion of an album being a grower-to me, if it doesn't grab you at once one way or the other, it's not because its a grower, it's because it isn't good-but this one could be the exception to the rule.
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What the hell did I just listen to? :-\
Slither was about the only thing that even felt like a completed song. All I can say about the rest is that it reminds me of the Spinal Tap free-form jazz exploration.
Akerfeldt did an admirable job pushing his clean vocal abilities, but it really is lacking without his growls. The thing that made his vocals good were the contrast between his harsh and soft vocals, but he's never been all that strong a clean singer (although as this album is all softer, it fits alright). But that's not the major issue with the album. The songs just aren't there.
WTF/10.
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All I can say about the rest is that it reminds me of the Spinal Tap free-form jazz exploration.
"This is Mikael Åkerfeldt... he wrote this."
I thought exactly the same as you, Blob.
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Still trying to figure out if I like it or not. I generally don't like the notion of an album being a grower-to me, if it doesn't grab you at once one way or the other, it's not because its a grower, it's because it isn't good-but this one could be the exception to the rule.
Disagree with that.
Some of my favourite albums have took a while to grow on me.
As for Heritage, it will take some time. It's different, but I do miss the metal. Even without the growls, I miss the killer riffs and beats.
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I agree completely with Blob... it definitely lacks the power of their past releases. And, I really enjoyed Watershed for the most part, though I find Still Life to be the album I enjoyed the most. In any case, Heritage has some cool moments and some interesting parts, but it's basically a big WTF moment for most of the songs, and, while I'm sure some will enjoy this, and I don't put down any who will, I don't find it particularly enjoyable myself.
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Heritage is great. I'm not sure where I'd rank it among the rest of their discography, but my first listen of it was very satisfying.
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People saying it's boring is actually getting me MORE excited. :lol
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Just listened to it for the first time. Friggin' amazing. Mike's really outdone himself this time. I have a feeling this could top BWP and Watershed and be my new favourite Opeth album.
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In my top 3 AOTYs already.
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1 listen through and I feel like I don't remember anything that just happened. It just seemed like an entire album of background music. Will have to re-evaluate after a few more listens.
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Got my ticket to see them live in the mail today :D :D :D
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Its pretty good. Almost entirely different than the previous records, so it would be unfair to compare this to any of the past albums.
I have to say that it has an amazing production, especially the drums sound great!
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Very good album. I like it a lot. But after three full listens, that's honestly all I have to say about it for now.
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The more I listen to it, the less I like it. I guess Mikael just lost some creative spark between Ghost Reveries and Watershed.
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People saying it's boring is actually getting me MORE excited. :lol
Why?
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I absolutely love it so far. It's nice and spacious, but busy and jazzy enough to be interesting. The drum and bass work especially is amazing.
I gotta say I don't miss the metal at all on this album, I still have the older Opeth albums, and many other bands, for that.
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I absolutely love it so far. It's nice and spacious, but busy and jazzy enough to be interesting. The drum and bass work especially is amazing.
I gotta say I don't miss the metal at all on this album, I still have the older Opeth albums, and many other bands, for that.
Sums up all of my thoughts lol.
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People saying it's boring is actually getting me MORE excited. :lol
Why?
I just kind of get the feeling that the things many Opeth fans would consider boring are things that I would like. I could be completely wrong, though.
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I'm on Famine right now, really liking it so far.
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New album is ok, I hate the new direction. I want old Opeth back...Hoping this is a one shot album and they go back to Ghost Reveries/Deliverance Sound. I'm guessing this album will grow on me as it's been my 3rd play through and I'm liking the songs more. I miss the amazing solos and catchy vocal lines.
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I think the death metal Opeth is dead for good. Not that I have a problem with it or anything. Can't wait to hear the new album! :metal
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Okay, this is pretty funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFSKfPaz30&feature=related
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Okay, this is pretty funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFSKfPaz30&feature=related
:lol I liked that one. Those Hitler videos never get old (at least the ones that are done well).
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"Now what progressive metal will I listen to? Between the Buried and Me? God no, that band is fucking horrible."
:rollin
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Okay, this is pretty funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFSKfPaz30&feature=related
Haha yes ;D
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Listening through Heritage for the first time now, some cool stuff.
This will need quite a few spins more to sink in, but I'm liking it so far, and regarding the people who dislikes Opeth trying new stuff, lolthem.
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I haven't heard the album yet, so I can't judge, but it just seems that Opeths previous style was so unique and so perfect the way they did it, it would only be making it worse to change it. Obviously I cannot judge this as I haven't heard the album yet, and I'm still really excited for it, I just think thats a reason many are against the change. But I'm just happy Akerfeldt is making what he wants, and I'd rather he make this album if thats what he really wants then to keep going with the old path.
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To be honest I'm surprised that it took this long for Mikael to get tired of their sound. :P
I love Opeth and it's no criticism since I love all the older albums, but Opeth were kinda stuck with the same sound for a while (before Watershed at least), and we'll still have all those albums to look back at, I'd rather have something new, then just new songs with the classic formula of heavy guitars, death vocals and acoustic passages in between.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I really wonder what direction Opeth will go after Heritage.
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I haven't heard the album yet, so I can't judge, but it just seems that Opeths previous style was so unique and so perfect the way they did it, it would only be making it worse to change it.
This doesn't make sense to me, because it implies that all Opeth albums are superior to anything that isn't Opeth.
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I haven't heard the album yet, so I can't judge, but it just seems that Opeths previous style was so unique and so perfect the way they did it, it would only be making it worse to change it.
This doesn't make sense to me, because it implies that all Opeth albums are superior to anything that isn't Opeth.
Well some bands have a unique style that they do extremely well, I didn't mean to imply that it was better than everything else. I meant to say they suit that particular style perfectly, not that that was the "best" style of music.
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I'm all for Opeth trying new stuff, but this new stuff, while having some awesome parts occasionally, sounded pieced-together and unmemorable for the most part to me. I was expecting to love the album since I really dig old-style prog music and such but ah well.
I just wish there could have been more catchy vocal melodies and hooks, more variety, I don't know. It's not a bad album by any means, though. Just... different.
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Yeah, I don't think anyone has an issue with Opeth trying something new, it's just this choice in particular some people aren't crazy about. For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
People have accepted the softer stuff in the past, because it still sounded like Opeth. People have accepted the heavy stuff with less growls, because it was still clearly Opeth. But this is just a complete departure from their sound. Nobody should be surprised that this move is likely to alienate at least some of the existing fanbase (and in turn will also bring in new and different fans).
What Akerfeldt decides to do from here will be interesting. Personally I hope this was just an experiment and that he returns to some resemblance of metal, because this album is unlikely to get listened to by me in future.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
I disagree.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
I disagree.
So you don't think bands need to keep any aspect of what makes them sound like themselves? Abandoning everything your fanbase has been built on is careless and bad business. I'm not saying they need to stick to the exact same formula, but a balance has to be struck, otherwise it becomes self indulgence.
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I think the problem with "having to keep some essence of your sound", is that in the end, the band would be making music for the fans, and not for themselves.
Some bands are happy with doing the same stuff for 30-40 years, but most bands aren't, and I think it's natural to progress.
I get that Heritage is much different from their other stuff, but I think it's wrong when fans demand from bands that they should sound in a specific way.
So yeah, earlier albums have had a more distinctive "this is Opeth"-core in their sound, but I do think Heritage had quite a few of those as well, I just think people need to adopt and adjust to how the album sounds.
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Yes, of course it's natural to progress. But progression also implies a gradual process. By essence I don't mean it has to fit within a certain box and remain narrow. That essence evolves with the band over time, it's not something set in stone for the life of the band. The essence of Opeth does not dictate that they must forever be death metal. That's not what I'm trying to say.
Look at Damnation. Not heavy, no growls. But it still had the essence of Opeth in its style and songwriting (at least, to me). For some people the new album will also retain distinctive Opeth qualities, and for some it doesn't.
For some fans heritage has progressed too far for them to like. For some fans it has progressed far enough that it will take some listens to adapt to but will accept and love it, and for some it will still grab them on first listen. It will be different for everyone. I feel that progression should allow the fans to evolve along with the band, even if it takes them some time to adapt.
So I'm really talking about the speed of their progression, rather than defining what their sound "should" be. For me personally, I feel this album is too much of a leap for me to retain interest in them. Others will have no trouble adapting.
I hope that's clearer, because I don't want it to sound like I'm whining because it's not exactly what I want and expect it to be.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
I disagree.
So you don't think bands need to keep any aspect of what makes them sound like themselves? Abandoning everything your fanbase has been built on is careless and bad business. I'm not saying they need to stick to the exact same formula, but a balance has to be struck, otherwise it becomes self indulgence.
Radiohead almost completely changed their sound on Kid A and became even more popular than they already were. Sure, some fans might have jumped off of the bandwagon, because they were pissed about the lack of guitars, but that is their problem, not the band's. A true artist makes the music for themselves, first and foremost, not the fans or anyone else.
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Kev brings up a very good point.
Radiohead were an alternative rock-band, and then suddenly released an album with very little of those typical instruments (guitar, bass, drums), and Kid A managed to become one of those HUGE albums that people look back on.
I'm not saying that Heritage will get the same status, but it's easy to complain about change when it happens, but maybe with another 2-3 Opeth albums, everyone will think of this transition as something great, something that had to be done, and something that was good for the band. :P
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I think both approaches are completely valid and acceptable. Telling a band what they should be doing is absurd. If someone doesn't like the album, fair enough, but it's just silly to moan about a change in style.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
I disagree.
So you don't think bands need to keep any aspect of what makes them sound like themselves? Abandoning everything your fanbase has been built on is careless and bad business. I'm not saying they need to stick to the exact same formula, but a balance has to be struck, otherwise it becomes self indulgence.
Radiohead almost completely changed their sound on Kid A and became even more popular than they already were. Sure, some fans might have jumped off of the bandwagon, because they were pissed about the lack of guitars, but that is their problem, not the band's. A true artist makes the music for themselves, first and foremost, not the fans or anyone else.
Well I don't like Radiohead, so I can't comment on that.
But I've always personally had the most respect for bands that can strike the right balance between writing music for themselves while still caring about the fanbase who they make their living from. Not that I'm saying the fans have any entitlement or right at all to dictate the music, because that's BS and fans who think like that bother me, but it also makes sense for a band to at least be in touch with their fanbase too. These aren't mutually exclusive goals!
It's obviously too early to know whether Heritage will prove to be a good move like it was for Radiohead. Akerfeldt is basically moving from one niche genre to a different niche genre, so I'm predicting it will remain pretty much constant. I have no problem with him wanting to do something new, because I'll just move on to another band that plays that style of music.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
I disagree.
So you don't think bands need to keep any aspect of what makes them sound like themselves? Abandoning everything your fanbase has been built on is careless and bad business. I'm not saying they need to stick to the exact same formula, but a balance has to be struck, otherwise it becomes self indulgence.
He listens to Ulver. :lol
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If there has to be some sort of clear core in the sound in all albums, that pretty much means that a band is fucked when they release their first album, and they can't change style or do what they want, because that will upset the fanbase. :P
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If there has to be some sort of clear core in the sound in all albums, that pretty much means that a band is fucked when they release their first album, and they can't change style or do what they want, because that will upset the fanbase. :P
Not necessarily. However, when a band releases 9 albums of similar material right in a row, it's ridiculous to think that the fans won't have certain expectations.
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If there has to be some sort of clear core in the sound in all albums, that pretty much means that a band is fucked when they release their first album, and they can't change style or do what they want, because that will upset the fanbase. :P
Not necessarily. However, when a band releases 9 albums of similar material right in a row, it's ridiculous to think that the fans won't have certain expectations.
Because Damnation and Watershed sound so much like Deliverance?
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If there has to be some sort of clear core in the sound in all albums, that pretty much means that a band is fucked when they release their first album, and they can't change style or do what they want, because that will upset the fanbase. :P
Not necessarily. However, when a band releases 9 albums of similar material right in a row, it's ridiculous to think that the fans won't have certain expectations.
Because Damnation and Watershed sound so much like Deliverance?
More than Heritage does.
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If there has to be some sort of clear core in the sound in all albums, that pretty much means that a band is fucked when they release their first album, and they can't change style or do what they want, because that will upset the fanbase. :P
Not necessarily. However, when a band releases 9 albums of similar material right in a row, it's ridiculous to think that the fans won't have certain expectations.
I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't. However, the band is under no obligation meet those expectations in any way, and the fans are under no obligation to continue listening if they aren't met. You can have expectation or hopes all you want, but it's completely absurd to expect the band to take those into account when writing a new album.
That said, even with as much as I like Heritage, I'm sad to see old Opeth go - there wasn't anything quite like them.
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To be honest, I don't think Mikael cares if fans don't like the new album.
He likes it himself, and he said that the others in the band liked it as well, and even though it's harder to change sound after 9 albums, this is probably something they should have done sooner.
Besides, I think that in order to make good music, you have to really have your heart in it.
If Mikael would do the same old Opeth-style music for the fans, it would just be those same old growls, same old guitars and the acoustic passages, when Mikael said that they had taken that sound "as far as they could", that just felt spot on.
I mean, Opeth has tons of great songs through their catalog, but they didn't really progress forward much with their sound, and in the end decided to change things with Watershed and Heritage.
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I guess my issue (and it's not just here, I've seen it in a lot of places) is that people have expressed distaste with the album and people instantly jump up and start saying shit like "THIS IS THE MUSIC HE WANTS TO MAKE, WHO ARE YOU TO DENY IT", or "HE DIDN'T WRITE THE ALBUM FOR YOU, DICKHEAD".
The cold hard fact is that most fans don't give a flying shit what the artist WANTS to make. The average Opeth fan who isn't addicted to the internet is not going to like this album, because he's going in expecting some good proggy death metal. I still think it would have been better for them to release it under a different name. If Steven Wilson can put part of his album (that would all fit on one disc), on a separate disc just because it wasn't solely written by him, I don't think it would be ridiculous for Akerfeldt to call this something else.
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Thing is though, judging by interviews and such, it seems fairly clear that Mikael and the other members wants to take on a new direction.
Releasing Heritage under another name wouldn't really change much, then they could've just as well buried Opeth and started Opeth v2.0 with the same members, just another direction in terms of the musical style.
Their change in style doesn't really fit under the 'temporary'-change category, even though the next album might be completely different from Heritage, I don't think it will be the classic Opeth either.
Looking back, Watershed wasn't really that much of an Opeth-album either.
Some might argue that it has more Opeth-sound then Heritage which might be true, but it had less of that sound compared to their older albums, and this 'transition' was sorta expected 3 years ago already, and it's not really like Heritage is drastically different from Watershed, to me it feels like they just continued down the road they entered with Watershed.
And about fans complaining, it's normally very narrow minded, at least if you listen to the arguments.
It's easy to see one side of the coin, many fans want the band to sound the same for 20 years, and they despise change, but they never seem to think of the possibility of how boring a band would get with X albums sounding pretty much the same.
That's where I think Mikael's "taking the sound as far as he could" fits perfectly, because honestly, how could he have continued to keep up their old sound, and still make it interesting?
Opeth's trademarks have pretty much been the death growls combined with clean singing, acoustic guitars and the sort of mix between Prog, Death and some Jazz, these were all features that made the band unique, but maintaining all these attributes doesn't really leave much room for making it new and interesting. :P
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I don't really care about the direction of the band as long as the music is still enjoyable (whatever form is comes in.) which this album definitely is.
I really hope they still play some older songs live, because I'm seeing them for the first time in a few weeks.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
Even though I think it's ridiculous that some people actually think like this, Opeth still kept their sound on this album while still treading new water. The most noticeable change is the lack of growls, which they already did on Damnation, anyway. A lack of growls on a whole album isn't something new for them.
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I agree with Zander.
Despite Heritage being very different, it still sounded very Opeth.
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On a second listen, it does retain that Opeth sound more than I initially thought, especially on a lot of the softer sections (I Feel the Dark is distinctly Opeth), I guess the production just really takes the bite out of it when it goes a bit "heavier". I think the 70s sound with the fuzz guitar and more natural drum sound makes it sound a lot more of a departure than it perhaps actually is.
I still don't like it, but I'm starting to agree it's not as different as I had first thought. It's just gone in a direction I don't like.
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I like the direction, I just the material itself is a little weak.
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I still think the song that defined this change was The Throat of Winter.
The album sounds good but it has been one of the hardest Opeth albums for me to get into. I really liked some songs of the album but there also songs that don't quite do it for me. I think it's an interesting change, even though I think the band had already found their essential sound in Watershed; I have to let it grow on me to appreciate it more IMO.
But I can't deny, the album is good, and really interesting.
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I haven't gotten the chance at all to listen to it in a calm environment & alone.. But everytime I check out a bit, it sounds awesome. Sounds like there's a real concept (not like concept album..) to the music.. Kinda like I can immediately feel what they're going for eventually. It's interesting and sure as hell not ugly. Can't wait to give this a full, good spin.
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It will end up being a grower, much like Devin Townsend's Ghost. However, in it's own way it's a very moody
depressing album and it may not be an album I can spin often just because of that. It's almost like you feel
like going into the woods and finding a spot to dig your grave...:)
Time will tell how it stacks up against the rest of the discography. I know I Love Damnation and this is even
more airy and experimental than that, so I'm sure it will age well.
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For such an established band as Opeth, you still have to keep some essence of your sound, because that is the foundation of your fanbase.
I disagree.
So you don't think bands need to keep any aspect of what makes them sound like themselves?
Exactly! :tup If they don't feel like playing that kind of music anymore than good for them! I actually prefer a band trying new stuff then repeating a formula. A band shouldn't care about the label or the fans, they should care about what they want to do at that particular moment. Ulver is a great example indeed and I have so much respect for them because of that.
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I agree that there's nothing wrong with changing style. Look at Paradise Lost: they pioneered death/doom and gothic metal, but what did they do? They got more and more melodic with each album and at the end of the 90's they were playing dark pop/rock with electronics. Sure they lost some fans and got accused of selling out, but they did what they wanted. Nowadays they're metal again, though. Anathema is another example; not many death/doom bands end up playing atmospheric rock!
However, I think that had Opeth made an album like this earlier, it wouldn't be as controversial as it is now as they have been around for 21 years and done 8 albums that include growls. I haven't heard Heritage yet (I'm waiting until the release date), but I definitely prefer hearing something new instead of an attempt to make Blackwater Park II.
EDIT: Mikael has also said in interviews that Opeth wouldn't have a future had he kept the same writing style so this is a necessary step in their career.
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Well I personally as a fan prefer bands who stick to the same style album after album (if its a style I like and think they do well). I don't mind small variations obviously. But for example, if I wanted to listen to 70's prog, I would listen to Yes or Jethro Tull, and if I wanted some progressive death metal I would listen to Opeth. If I want to listen to a certain sound, I would rather have a few artists that stick to that sound and listen to another artist for another sort of music than have artists jumping over all different genres. Anyway thats just my opinion. But I can understand from an artists point of view if they get bored making a certain type of music (I certainly would). But I feel that if a band can keep with one style and do it well for a large portion of their career it shows they really love that style of music, perhaps more so than bands that switch around their sound to any current whim. Thats why Opeths first 9 albums are so good in my opinion. But in the end if its what the artist really loves then that is conducive to a good album in my opinion.
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At the end of the day, there's still 8 Death Metal Opeth albums out there, and to be honest after making that many I can certainly see why someone would want to make something different.
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At the end of the day, there's still 8 Death Metal Opeth albums out there, and to be honest after making that many I can certainly see why someone would want to make something different.
Yep I agree, and from the bands perspective I can totally understand the reasons :tup
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Without getting into the argument of what the artist wants versus what the fans expect, here's my problem with Heritage in a nutshell:
Previously, what I liked about Opeth was that they were a metal band with a clear 70s progressive rock influence. They were a unique hybrid of styles that meshed together, the strengths of each style supporting the sound, the weaknesses canceled out by the opposition of forces in their music. I didn't even require the death metal vocals for Opeth to work for me; some of the best parts of Ghost Reveries were the metal with clean vocal parts.
What Opeth has become now, though, is a full on seventies progressive rock band. And without the metal side to balance out things...they're not really a very good one. These songs are noodly, meandering, and kind of formless, and worse, they just sound like other bands. I don't need Opeth sounding like Camel or Deep Purple when I can reach into my own collection and pull out Moonmadness or Machine Head. I want Opeth to sound like Opeth, not Mikael writing a full on love letter to the early 70s. Maybe writing full on metal albums had become a dead end for Mikael. I'm not sure that this approach works for me in particular given how much progressive rock I listen to. Definitely a mileage may vary album here.
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Here's my two cents on the whole "Bands progressing/changing their sound" debate:
All that honestly matters is if the music is still top-notch. Seriously, the reason Radiohead's Kid A was so highly praised was not only for the leap of progression of the band, but how incredible the music was in itself. So, given that I haven't heard Heritage yet, if the music is great, then no one should have any qualms about the change of style.
However, if it sucks, then I'll be the first the say WTF OPETH?!?!? That's the biggest issue surrounding bands progressing their sound; Are bands too bold when it comes to changing their sound? Only the actually music matters, not whether the fans prefer the old sound over the new. If it's good, then hats off to the band.
I'm praying that Opeth didn't screw this up.
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Very true. Radiohead hit it out of the park with Kid A, and were thus applauded for it. On the flip side, dredg attempted something similar on their newest album and failed miserably. We'll see how Opeth does. I am waiting for the CD to listen to any of it.
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i've listened to The Devil's Orchard and a few other songs from the album - not all of them because i want to save that till my pre-order comes.
so far ... i love the direction and think it's probably best for the band and is a natural progression. what i do have a problem with, to some extent, is the lack of structure within the songs that i've heard so far. there just seemed to be no basic outlining to it at all. perhaps i'm being naive after only giving it one listen so far, but that was my immediate response.
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Without getting into the argument of what the artist wants versus what the fans expect, here's my problem with Heritage in a nutshell:
Previously, what I liked about Opeth was that they were a metal band with a clear 70s progressive rock influence. They were a unique hybrid of styles that meshed together, the strengths of each style supporting the sound, the weaknesses canceled out by the opposition of forces in their music. I didn't even require the death metal vocals for Opeth to work for me; some of the best parts of Ghost Reveries were the metal with clean vocal parts.
What Opeth has become now, though, is a full on seventies progressive rock band. And without the metal side to balance out things...they're not really a very good one. These songs are noodly, meandering, and kind of formless, and worse, they just sound like other bands. I don't need Opeth sounding like Camel or Deep Purple when I can reach into my own collection and pull out Moonmadness or Machine Head. I want Opeth to sound like Opeth, not Mikael writing a full on love letter to the early 70s. Maybe writing full on metal albums had become a dead end for Mikael. I'm not sure that this approach works for me in particular given how much progressive rock I listen to. Definitely a mileage may vary album here.
I agree with this post 100%. Basically sums up what I think about Heritage.
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I'd like to go back to my previous post and remove at least two usages of the phrase "full on." That's what I get for commenting on something before I've had my first cup of coffee in the morning :biggrin:
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Listened to the album for the third time tonight, it keeps on growing!
The album itself is just such a wonderful journey, lots of interesting ideas and sounds, and a lot of the more 'weird' side of Mikael is starting to emerge, and I can easily hear influences from Captain Beefheart and Scott Walker, aside from the obvious ones like Jethro Tull, Deep Purple etc.
I must admit that I don't really care for or listen to 70's music, but I think Opeth's approach to it all is very interesting.
Haven't really been able to identify any standout songs so far, but all of the album is really good. :tup
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^ we can continue our trend of having the same awesome opinions then :laugh:
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^ we can continue our trend of having the same awesome opinions then :laugh:
You have the best opinions, so it's great to share them! :heart
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:laugh: :heart
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I think I kind of adhere to the view that I prefer the ideas and attitude in Heritage to the actual music. That's not to say that the music's bad in any way, I just feel like I like it even more for the direction it's taken them in than the actual stuff that direction entails. Still, it might well be my Opeth #2 after Watershed. (yes, I know, so much fail)
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I honestly don't care what Opeth do with their sound from here on out because they already have so many great albums and songs. Everything now is just gravy.
Plus, they were never going to make another death metal album as good as Still Life or Blackwater Park. Never. So, why not try something totally different? Instead of "settling" for an 8/10 everytime, risk the 4/10 in hopes of making a 10/10.
Interesting point here as well: If Akerfeldt came out prior to Heritage and said, "This is a one-off thing" or if Heritage was the second part of a two album swing (like Deliverance and Damnation) then I wonder how fan reception would be different.
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Interesting point here as well: If Akerfeldt came out prior to Heritage and said, "This is a one-off thing" or if Heritage was the second part of a two album swing (like Deliverance and Damnation) then I wonder how fan reception would be different.
This is definitely an interesting point. I feel like half of their fanbase seems to be very dismissive of the new album, so if this is in fact just a one off thing they may actually give it a better chance.
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I've been listening to it a lot and..
Opeth outdid themselves again. Boring. It's been going that way since Orchid. Screw the death vox, I'm not thinking about those when I'm listening to this album. It's amazing and at least as epic as Watershed. I'm definately hoping they'll be praised for the music itself instead of the 'different direction'. Everything sounds awesome, the band grooves as a tit, the songs are sometimes even catchy and there's lots of mood. I'm definately not wondering what they'll do next, because I already know it will be awesome as usual.
Take this album in, chill out. No trace of bad music here. The 70's production sounds incredible and takes you closer to the band than ever before. It definately hit me hard at Folklore, instant top 5 Opeth song for me. It's what the entire album works up to. The rest certainly isn't 'meandering', I disagree. The album flows like a train, and the subtle moments are all incredibly beautiful.
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The Ghost Reveries 5.1 mix is so bad that i'm listening to the stereo instead.
I think the mixer swapped the right channel with centre, because EVERYTHING is centred around it for no good reason, it's like when you slide your stereo balance left or right.
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Plus, they were never going to make another death metal album as good as Still Life or Blackwater Park. Never. So, why not try something totally different? Instead of "settling" for an 8/10 everytime, risk the 4/10 in hopes of making a 10/10.
Interesting point here as well: If Akerfeldt came out prior to Heritage and said, "This is a one-off thing" or if Heritage was the second part of a two album swing (like Deliverance and Damnation) then I wonder how fan reception would be different.
See this is where I think my opinion differs: I would rather have 3-4 good, 8/10 albums then 3 horrible ones and 1 masterpiece :) But thats just me. And maybe my opinion will change as I get older because I will only be listening to these "masterpieces" as I've discovered too much music to keep listening to just "good" albums :p And your last point is very interesting I agree.
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Plus, they were never going to make another death metal album as good as Still Life or Blackwater Park. Never. So, why not try something totally different? Instead of "settling" for an 8/10 everytime, risk the 4/10 in hopes of making a 10/10.
Yeah they did. It's called Ghost Reveries.
Been listening to a few tracks, Famine had promise but wow where does that awesome piano part go? To shit that's where. Really like some others though.
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I need to listen to the album a few more times, but I applaud Opeth for showcasing their 70s influences like Yes, Camel, and Deep Purple without making a 70s cover album like most prog rock bands do nowadays. The new album is good and that's all I can say right now.
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I need to listen to the album a few more times, but I applaud Opeth for showcasing their 70s influences like Yes, Camel, and Deep Purple without making a 70s cover album like most prog rock bands do nowadays. The new album is good and that's all I can say right now.
Yup, same for me. Granted, it is very hard to actually find access to it and it will need several more rotations for me to do that, but I'm very excited about this and think it's a nice addition to their discography. Liking it so far, although I'm not blasted away by it. I'm sure this album has a lot of hidden qualities, though.
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I've been listening to it a lot and..
Opeth outdid themselves again. Boring. It's been going that way since Orchid. Screw the death vox, I'm not thinking about those when I'm listening to this album. It's amazing and at least as epic as Watershed. I'm definately hoping they'll be praised for the music itself instead of the 'different direction'. Everything sounds awesome, the band grooves as a tit, the songs are sometimes even catchy and there's lots of mood. I'm definately not wondering what they'll do next, because I already know it will be awesome as usual.
Take this album in, chill out. No trace of bad music here. The 70's production sounds incredible and takes you closer to the band than ever before. It definately hit me hard at Folklore, instant top 5 Opeth song for me. It's what the entire album works up to. The rest certainly isn't 'meandering', I disagree. The album flows like a train, and the subtle moments are all incredibly beautiful.
Why did you say "boring" and then go on to praise the album...?
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I was wondering the same thing! :lol
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I guess he means they are boring because they outdid themselves yet again. Not that the actual album is boring.
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musta meant "boring?"
after 3 spins im in that one camp. you know, the one where we like the sound and the idea behind the directional change but aren't blown away by the songs and find them meandering, etc.
i'll probly spin it twice more today and fall head over heals; we'll see.
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Looks like I'm seeing Opeth with Katatonia in Dallas. I had scrapped those plans because the friend I'm going with had a conflict of interests, but that's been resolved now. So we're going. And it's only 6 days after I see Eisley. I am excite.
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When is that Drew? I'm seeing them on the 29th myself.
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The 5th of October.
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Awesome. I'm so excited to finally see them. I hope they play some old stuff.
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I have no idea what they will play, but Heritage in full wouldn't be a far fetched guess.
Don't think Opeth has played too many of their albums in full before, (at least not on the tours for each album), but Heritage really feels like a "gotta hear it in full"-kind of album, and even though it might not be a concept album, it still feels like one.
Apart from that though, I just got a hunch that they maybe would play songs without growl, like something from Damnation, songs like Isolation Years, Burden, Face of Melinda, Harvest or whatever, but playing nothing with growl at all might get the hardcore fanbase even more upset. :lol
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Awesome. I'm so excited to finally see them. I hope they play some old stuff.
I hope they play Orchid in its entirety. With Black Rose Immortal as the encore.
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Ghost Reveries is the best Opeth album.
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No it's not.
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Blackwater Park is the best
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Awesome. I'm so excited to finally see them. I hope they play some old stuff.
I hope they play Orchid in its entirety. With Black Rose Immortal as the encore.
I would like that, actually. :biggrin:
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Blackwater Park is the best
This shit again? gawd.
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The Sky Moves Sideways is the best Bloodbath album.
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( ) is the best Owl City album.
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Blackwater Park is the best
This shit again? gawd.
I thought you actually agreed with that one. Or is it BWP the song that you think is the best?
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I think both.
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Well, I think BWP is one of their best for sure, it normally goes between that one and Deliverance. :P
As for album, I would rank BWP about 4 or 5.
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Signify is better than Ziltoid but worse than The Alchemy Index which is better than Heritage.
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Awesome. I'm so excited to finally see them. I hope they play some old stuff.
I hope they play Orchid in its entirety. With Black Rose Immortal as the encore.
I would like that, actually. :biggrin:
Only the first part of that post was a joke. I'd love to see Black Rose Immortal live.
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I'd rather see Orchid in it's entirety, but I'd love to see Black Rose Immortal live.
They will never play it though, I mean... they did rehearse it for the special shows they did last year, but if they didn't play it at an event like that, I doubt they ever will.
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Regardless, I am going to be shouting "BLACK ROSE IMMORTAL" in between any breaks in the set as I stand directly below Mikael's balls. I want him to yell at me.
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Yeah, I think we shall all do that. :lol
Imagine at every concert on Opeth's tour, somebody is shouting for that song.
Eventually Mikael will snap and be all like "U WANT METUUL?!"
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Mikael doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would yell at an audience member. I see it happening more like this:
"PLAY BLACK ROSE IMMORTAL!"
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"Hey."
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"Shut. The Fuck. Up."
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:lol :rollin :lol
Yeah, I think we shall all do that. :lol
Imagine at every concert on Opeth's tour, somebody is shouting for that song.
Eventually Mikael will snap and be all like "U WANT METUUL?!"
I keep trying to get something similar organized for Devin Townsend shows that all DTFers attend. I want to get it to the point where Devy hears people requesting Punky Bruster (comedy punk album he did in the 90s) songs such as "Heinous Anus" during song breaks.
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I believe I read somewhere that Mike once told some random chick in the crowd to "Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch".
Can't remember which gig or what she had been screaming for 1 hour, but if this actually happened, that's pretty lol. :lol
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I would have loved to be there for that. :lol
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:lol :rollin :lol
Yeah, I think we shall all do that. :lol
Imagine at every concert on Opeth's tour, somebody is shouting for that song.
Eventually Mikael will snap and be all like "U WANT METUUL?!"
I keep trying to get something similar organized for Devin Townsend shows that all DTFers attend. I want to get it to the point where Devy hears people requesting Punky Bruster (comedy punk album he did in the 90s) songs such as "Heinous Anus" during song breaks.
This brings to my mind: to everyone going to the US Opeth/Katatonia gigs, you should request them to "play" something by Heinz, Mikael and Jonas' (Katatonia singer) "project" in which they recorded their farts! :lol You can read more about it in this Katatonia interview: https://web.archive.org/web/20070928124746/https://www.imhotepzine.com/imhotep10/10-katatonia.html
OK. So what about Heinz??
A: - Hmm..? What's that?
Well, it's a “band“ too...
A: - ....Aaaaah... (slaps his head)
J: - The “farting“ band....
A: - Shit. Mike, or what?
J: - It's buried, haha.
A: - Oh my God. He talks too much. He and Dan.
( Here my weird sense of humour came in and did it's thing...Gotta have a bit of it in an interview now and zen. Heinz was one of Jonas' & Mikael's many “projects“ some years ago, when they had nothing better to do.... And Heinz was, as said, the “plött“ (farting) band. They would sit down, eat loads of beans and record the outcome to tape... ënuff said.)
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Today there was a very interesting interview with Mike in a Swedish rock/metal-magazine called "Sweden Rock", the whole interview was about 5-6 pages or so, kinda long in other words, too long for me to translate.
It was pretty interesting, Mikael talked about being pretty depressed lately, and he also said that he spends a lot of time thinking about the band, what will happen if they break up, and what he would do with his life if that happened, and things like that.
It wasn't your typical "hows the new album? do you like it?"-interview, it was kinda dark and most of the questions were pretty personal.
Not sure if Zydar or any other Swede here has read it yet, but it was pretty interesting.
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....Based on that interview, should we be concerned?
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Today there was a very interesting interview with Mike in a Swedish rock/metal-magazine called "Sweden Rock", the whole interview was about 5-6 pages or so, kinda long in other words, too long for me to translate.
It was pretty interesting, Mikael talked about being pretty depressed lately, and he also said that he spends a lot of time thinking about the band, what will happen if they break up, and what he would do with his life if that happened, and things like that.
It wasn't your typical "hows the new album? do you like it?"-interview, it was kinda dark and most of the questions were pretty personal.
Not sure if Zydar or any other Swede here has read it yet, but it was pretty interesting.
I haven't read it, but I'll be on the look-out for the magazine if they have it here. Thanks.
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....Based on that interview, should we be concerned?
must be answered
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I don't know, Mikael is kinda hard to grasp as a person.
On one hand he's like "hell yeah, new tour!" but on the other hand he misses his family, from what I know he has always been like that (every coin has two sides), I'm not too sure what to take from Opeth's future.
He also talked a lot about still really enjoying music, and that it is his job after all, so it wasn't just negative things or anything like that. :P
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Ok, good.
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It was just a part that made me react a bit, but I mean, it might be normal.
Obviously it depends on the person, but maybe it's Mikael's way of being "prepared", even though he might love the band and everything, something unexpected can still happen, and maybe it's just his way of thinking about different scenarios and such.
He also said that he gets really bored very fast when he doesn't have anything to do (at home), so that leads to him thinking about random things in life, he also said that most of it is unnecessary and unimportant, but he thinks about it anyway. :P
He also said that he really don't care what people say if they thrashtalk Opeth, but that he still has Blabbermouth bookmarked and can't avoid reading about them there, so yeah.. he really has a sorta "do and do not"-type of approach.
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Who the fuck "trashtalks" Opeth? Sure, they get a lot of constructive criticism thrown their way, but rarely do you see people outright bashing them. And for good reason.
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Who the fuck "trashtalks" Opeth? Sure, they get a lot of constructive criticism thrown their way, but rarely do you see people outright bashing them. And for good reason.
Havn't you seen that guy on Youtube burning all his old Opeth albums? :lol
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No, but I've heard about it.
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There's a loooooot of people trashing Opeth for this album, which I think it undeserved.
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I don't think it's just this album, I've heard a lot of people make fun of the whole "RORORORORO".
No matter what band/artist you talk about, someone is thrashtalking them, it's just 'normal' on the net today.
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Me and my Latin teacher were discussing Heritage today, he appreciated what they were doing, but he missed their metal side. I guess we knew this was gonna happen, as I loved all the experimental stuff on Watershed but Still Life is his favourite. (yes, my Latin teacher loves prog metal)
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Mikael said in the Finnish Soundi magazine he suspects that he may have a bipolar disorder, as he sometimes has some depressive periods.
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Me and my Latin teacher were discussing Heritage today, he appreciated what they were doing, but he missed their metal side. I guess we knew this was gonna happen, as I loved all the experimental stuff on Watershed but Still Life is his favourite. (yes, my Latin teacher loves prog metal)
Your Latin teacher is awesome.
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Who the fuck "trashtalks" Opeth? Sure, they get a lot of constructive criticism thrown their way, but rarely do you see people outright bashing them. And for good reason.
Havn't you seen that guy on Youtube burning all his old Opeth albums? :lol
I must see this video. Also if you ever read the comments on their Facebook updates, you get some pretty ridiculous posts that makes almost no sense. But once you get passed the terrible lack of grammar you realize a lot of people are saying shit like "Opeth are sellouts now fags". Extremely sad to see people say such things about a band who have practically changed my outlook on progressive metal, black metal and music with much darker tones.
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Who the fuck "trashtalks" Opeth? Sure, they get a lot of constructive criticism thrown their way, but rarely do you see people outright bashing them. And for good reason.
Havn't you seen that guy on Youtube burning all his old Opeth albums? :lol
I must see this video. Also if you ever read the comments on their Facebook updates, you get some pretty ridiculous posts that makes almost no sense. But once you get passed the terrible lack of grammar you realize a lot of people are saying shit like "Opeth are sellouts now fags". Extremely sad to see people say such things about a band who have practically changed my outlook on progressive metal, black metal and music with much darker tones.
The irony is that this album is the complete opposite of selling out. And I'll link that vidoe here as soon as I find it, I can't remember what it was called.
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Who the fuck "trashtalks" Opeth? Sure, they get a lot of constructive criticism thrown their way, but rarely do you see people outright bashing them. And for good reason.
Havn't you seen that guy on Youtube burning all his old Opeth albums? :lol
I must see this video. Also if you ever read the comments on their Facebook updates, you get some pretty ridiculous posts that makes almost no sense. But once you get passed the terrible lack of grammar you realize a lot of people are saying shit like "Opeth are sellouts now fags". Extremely sad to see people say such things about a band who have practically changed my outlook on progressive metal, black metal and music with much darker tones.
The irony is that this album is the complete opposite of selling out. And I'll link that vidoe here as soon as I find it, I can't remember what it was called.
no u r gai they sld out bcuz dey no longr screem dey just do pusyass sing
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They are sellouts. Switching to 70s prog is an obvious attempt at popularity, because that's always popular on the charts, and it's clearly the only reason Akerfeldt did it.
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I tried to find the video on youtube but had no luck. Anyone have it?
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The whole 70's thing is a trend, however... I wouldn't say that Heritage fits under the 'typical' 70's music, it's not as easy to grasp as most other attempts at 70's music. :P
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I tried to find the video on youtube but had no luck. Anyone have it?
I can't remember how I found it, didn't somebody here link it?
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The whole 70's thing is a trend, however... I wouldn't say that Heritage fits under the 'typical' 70's music, it's not as easy to grasp as most other attempts at 70's music. :P
Want to show me all these popular bands and artists taking up this 70s trend? I can only think of Pain of Salvation and Opeth, neither of whom are particularly big, and I guess TDH's Orange EP had a 70s vibe as well.
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Mastodon, but that's hardly even an example.
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Opeth, Pain of Salvation, Steven Wilson (to some extent), but apart from those, there has been a crazy wave of 70's sounding bands in the last years, take bands like Wolfmother, Clutch, The Answer, Airbourne and Graveyard to name a few.
Let's not forget the new hipster-trend of many indie bands having long, thick beards, and making the music sound more 70's then 10's. :P
There are probably more examples, but these are the ones that comes to mind.
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I do think there is a bit of a "let's go back to the 70s" mentality with a lot of bands. Stripped down production, vintage instruments and gear, love of old artists, and bluesy rock seems to be coming back. Bands that are doing this (that this forum worships) include PoS, Opeth, Mastodon, Steven Wilson, and The Dear Hunter (Orange). Not to mention all the modern prog Spock's Beard clones who want to be the next Gabriel-Genesis.
The trick, however, is to showcase your love for that kind of music, but without deliberately imitating the 70s style of production or sound, which is what Mastodon did perfectly with CtS and what Opeth did very well with Heritage.
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I agree with Matt.
Things like this can be done in a very good and subtle way, but if it sounds exactly like an album that came out 40 years ago, it's not really a good thing. :/
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Add Astra to the list of retro prog...and many other lesser known bands.
Thing is, having been there and experienced it, it was the most amazing period of music in my life. The late 60's to
the mid 70's. So much was fresh and new and experimental. So many new branches sprouting out from the blues
rock metal scene. SO much new to discover. Don't get me wrong, there is a ton of great music to discover in every
era but there was really something special about that time frame and I think MA feels the importance and weight
of the music from then and needs to pay homage, just like Steven Wilson just did with Time Flies.
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Yeah, I guess it's the artist's way of "branching out to their roots" or whatever, but after a certain amount of 70's sounding albums, it gets a bit tiresome. :P
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....Based on that interview, should we be concerned?
must be answered
At worst SW and MA would form a super band.
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Wouldn't that just be the best option?
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Man, I hope they play Slither when I see them in October. This song is addicting.
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Time for song-rankings on Heritage:
Famine
Nepenthe
Folklore
I Feel the Dark
Devils Orchard
Slither
The Lines In My Hand
Häxprocess
Marrow of the Earth
Heritage
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Man, I hope they play Slither when I see them in October. This song is addicting.
Slither is the only song on Heritage that stood out for me.
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Man, I hope they play Slither when I see them in October. This song is addicting.
Slither is the only song on Heritage that stood out for me.
Likewise. It's the only one that felt like a coherent, completed song to me without wandering off.
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Yep. From the few I've listened to Slither is my favorite too. Hopefully the others will blow me away, because this compared to the best Opeth songs is depressing.
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I think it clicks for more every time.
Unless the album ages very badly, I would probably rank it as their 4 or 5th best album right now.
But it has continued to grow with each listen, first listen didn't stand out anything much, but heard it 4 or 5 times now, and I just love it.
If it continues to grow with each listen like this, I'm happy. :D
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Folklore might be the best song on here. Tied with Nepenthe and Slither.
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Folklore might be the best song on here. Tied with Nepenthe and Slither.
this^
no idea why he has blabbermouth bookmarked - the people that comment on those stories, 95% of them don't justify their posts and are just trolls.
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Hope Leaves :heart
That is all. :hefdaddy
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Re-post from another thread:
I've listened to Heritage a few times through so far, and I feel like it still has some more growing to do on me, but my impression right now is of somewhat disappointment. I mean, it's good, but I'd rank it as only their 8th best album (followed by Orchid and Morningrise).
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So this album's pretty poor, really. About a 3/10 effort, I'd say. Still, they can't all be winners.
To quote myself:
This album's fighting an uphill battle.
There are cool moments and elements, definitely, quite a few, but no well-written song from beginning to end, except Marrow of the Earth. The good ideas feel underdeveloped, or they don't shine because they're surrounded in uninteresting shit that takes away from their impact. Often, it's like Akerfeldt was just throwing stuff together at random. Famine, for instance, is a total fucking mess. In those eight and a half minutes, you have flute solos, chanting, hand drumming, piano, soft/heavy tradeoffs, etc, and for all of it, there are only several brief moments in the whole song that stand out or feel like they have much substance to them.
The real problem for me is I get the feeling Akerfeldt's written the songs like this purely for the sake of his desired novelty factor. Like if the songs are weirdly structured, fleet through multiple poorly connected ideas, have obligatory out there shit going on, etc, then the songs will be cooler, when at the end of the day, it's just shitty writing.
The last three tracks are by far the strongest, and Lines in my Hand and Folklore are still not THAT good as complete songs.
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Album-rankings:
1. Ghost Reveries
2. Deliverance
3. Still Life
4. Blackwater Park
5. Heritage
6. My Arms, Your Hearse
7. Damnation
8. Watershed
9. Orchid
10. Morningrise
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1. Ghost Reveries
2. Deliverance
Good man.
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:heart :heart
I think it's lol when people say that Heritage isn't "Opeth enough".
Those are the same people that liked Damnation, and Heritage is a lot more Opeth then Damnation.
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Not necessarily true. Damnation is still very Opeth. It's basically a collection of the softer stuff they have done over the years. And it's dark. And dreary. And all have similar feel (and atmosphere) as the rest of their ballady songs. Heritage on the other hand sounds completely different to that. I'm NOT SAYING HERITAGE SUCKS, I'm just defending that Damnation sounded a lot more like Opeth at the time of it's release, even if it is a purely soft album.
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I think Damnation is far more Opeth-y too.
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My opinion has grown much more favorably of this album, since I listened to it like 4 times since yesterday. When I first listened to it, well, it really didn't "Opeth enough", but the more I listen to it, the more I recognize all the Opeth elements, and I'm REALLY enjoying it now.
My album ranking (changes ridiculously frequently):
1) Deliverance
2) Ghost Reveries
3) Blackwater Park
4) Still Life
5) Damnation
6) Watershed
7) My Arms, Your Hearse
8) Heritage
9) Morningrise
10) Orchid
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It's a lot more subtle and less explosive as most of their other records, but nonetheless I enjoy the hell out of it. I can't say I prefer it to Watershed, Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park or Still Life, but I feel it can't be compared to those albums.
I just blew myself away with Heir Apparent after listening to Heritage almost non stop. Feels good, I hope they'll bring back the death metal elements somewhere on the next few albums. At least a part of me does, because the other part really likes the classic progrock direction. It's either back to 'regular' Opeth style or delve deeper into this weird, hazy 70's vibe. I'd be entertained by either.
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Seeing Deliverance so high on people's lists makes me happy.
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Hope Leaves :heart
That is all. :hefdaddy
<3 <3 <3
Seeing as I haven't heard Heritage fully and in order and haven't had time to let it grow on me it won't be included in the rankings... yet:
1) Ghost Reveries
2) Blackwater Park
3) Damnation
4) Deliverance
5) Watershed
6) Still Life
7) My Arms, Your Hearse
8) Orchid
9) Morningrise
yeah that's right, I did put Watershed ahead of Still Life; it just works better for me personally anyway.
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Went through the thread and saw lots of Still Life love. To me, that is the best Opeth album. Glad to see it ranked highly to other users! What would they care if I would stay?
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What would they care if I would stay?
No-one would know, hoooo-moooo
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1) Watershed
2) Heritage
3) Blackwater Park
4) Deliverance
5) Ghost Reveries
6) My Arms, Your Hearse
7) Damnation
8) Orchid
9) Still Life
10) Morningrise
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What would they care if I would stay?
No-one would know, hoooo-moooo
Hey who you calling a homo jerk
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Hey, I am simply quoting the lyrics in the song.
OKAY. :hat
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For those of you who haven't heard the new Opeth album yet, it is legally streaming now at the link at the bottom of my post.
This was made public by an announcement on the Opeth facebook page, so it's definitely legal.
There you go: https://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=140288664&m=140262406
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https://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/45524/Opeth-Heritage/
lolthatguy
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I feel like most people who say that Heritage is hard to get into, have probably only listened to it twice or so.
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Honestly I hate to be the guy that says that, but I think it's true.
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I feel like most people who say that Heritage is hard to get into, have probably only listened to it twice or so.
I think this is very true. The album did not really do anything for me my first few listens, but I have heard it at least five or six times now, and I can say that it is indeed quite awesome. Not a dull moment, if you ask me.
My favorite moment is probably the vocal bits towards the end of "Folklore". So very interesting. :heart
BC
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I'm listening right now.
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I'm listening right now.
This. I'm loving this on first listen.
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I'm listening right now.
This. I'm loving this on first listen.
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I feel like most people who say that Heritage is hard to get into, have probably only listened to it twice or so.
I listened four or five times. Shit songs are shit songs.
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LOL
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Pretty much.
Heritage is fantastic.
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I feel like most people who say that Heritage is hard to get into, have probably only listened to it twice or so.
I listened four or five times. Shit songs are shit songs.
As important as it is to listen to the album a lot, your mindset during those listens is even more important.
I have seen a lot of people say, "I listened to the album five times and it blew". OK. But a lot of those same people, after two listens, said, "I've only listened to it twice, but this album sounds like a meandering mess... This album sounds like shit... I hate this..."
What people don't realize is that you can listen to an album 30 times, but as soon as you apply a negative attribute to it like "meandering", "shit", "hate"... It's over. You can listen to it another 1000 times, but it's over. From the first time you gave it those negative attributes, your mind was set.
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Some of my now favourite albums, I borderline hated for a looooong time, so that's not true at all. The thing is, I didn't come around to them by entering a state of denial and going, "now come on, these songs seem like rubbish to me, but maybe I'm wrong" and desperately digging to convince myself that what I was hearing was good. It happened naturally. When you've got loud and clear blatantly atrocious song writing like Heritage does, that simply isn't gonna happen.
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You're an exception then, I guess. Self-fulfilling prophecies are as common in music as they are in all walks of life.
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Loud and clear blatantly atrocious song writing? Come on now.
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Loud and clear blatantly atrocious song writing? Come on now.
I think it's one thing to dislike the album, but this?
Come on...
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You're an exception then, I guess.
I don't think I am, though, especially not in a community like this. People often turn around on albums.
Loud and clear blatantly atrocious song writing? Come on now.
I think it's one thing to dislike the album, but this?
Come on...
So this album's pretty poor, really. About a 3/10 effort, I'd say. Still, they can't all be winners.
To quote myself:
This album's fighting an uphill battle.
There are cool moments and elements, definitely, quite a few, but no well-written song from beginning to end, except Marrow of the Earth. The good ideas feel underdeveloped, or they don't shine because they're surrounded in uninteresting shit that takes away from their impact. Often, it's like Akerfeldt was just throwing stuff together at random. Famine, for instance, is a total fucking mess. In those eight and a half minutes, you have flute solos, chanting, hand drumming, piano, soft/heavy tradeoffs, etc, and for all of it, there are only several brief moments in the whole song that stand out or feel like they have much substance to them.
The real problem for me is I get the feeling Akerfeldt's written the songs like this purely for the sake of his desired novelty factor. Like if the songs are weirdly structured, fleet through multiple poorly connected ideas, have obligatory out there shit going on, etc, then the songs will be cooler, when at the end of the day, it's just shitty writing.
The last three tracks are by far the strongest, and Lines in my Hand and Folklore are still not THAT good as complete songs.
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I'll actually have to agree with Lothario, most of the songs just seem to have weird, off-beat changes for the sake of them being there, rather than attributing anything to the song. It's just pretty poor imo.
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You're an exception then, I guess.
I don't think I am, though, especially not in a community like this. People often turn around on albums.
My point is that it's a lot easier to turn around on an album when you aren't constantly writing about how "meandering" it is or about how "blatantly atrocious" the songwriting is. If you just hate the thing, and give it a month and never mention it, it's a lot easier to turn the hate around than if you're constantly talking about how shitty it is.
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That's fair.
I'll probably do what I often do at this point: forget about the album for six months, a year, maybe longer, then give it a listen again and see if it says something different to me. That's actually how I've gotten into quite a few bands/albums.
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Pretty sweet album.
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Orcus likes it.
That's all I need to know that it's at least decent.
Still waiting for release day to listen to it, though.
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:lol I'm not that bad. I do like quite a bit of Opeth.
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HIPSTER!!!!1!!!1one!!!!eleven!!1!!
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.........
Orcus likes it.
That's all I need to know that it's at least decent.
Still waiting for release day to listen to it, though.
:lol
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HIPSTER!!!!1!!!1one!!!!eleven!!1!!
(https://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7857/orchipster.png)
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:lol :clap:
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:rollin
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:rollin :rollin
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I laughed at that before any of you laughed at it.
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I laughed before it was shooped.
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https://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/nyhetsmorgon?title=opeth_-_higher&videoid=2019376 (https://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/nyhetsmorgon?title=opeth_-_higher&videoid=2019376)
Great performance of Pyre on Swedish TV. Don't know why it says Higher :lol
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Isn't that the name of the song? :P
According to the wiki-page of Heritage at least.
Cool performance though, didn't know at all that they were playing this morning, otherwise I would have turned my TV on. :corn
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the new album has officially grabbed me by the ballsack and eaten my penis.
BC
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There's also a video of Nepenthe for those interested...
https://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/nyhetsmorgon?title=opeth_-_nepenthe&videoid=2019576
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where's the stream?
NEVERMIND
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Nice videos. The more I listen to these songs, the more I like them. I think this is a great album, and maybe it's because I got into Opeth with Watershed but it sounds definitely Opeth-y to me.
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Wow, Im listening to the stream right now, 25 minutes in. I must say I'm having mixed reactions. I like the jazzier feel (though I wouldn't call it jazz-fusion as some have been claiming), and it's experimental, but I sense a lack of direction in the songwriting; like, where is this going? The production is also a little strange. However, the music itself has intrigued me enough to purchase it. It'll be my first since Ghost Reveries, since I lost interest in Opeth a little while after GR came out.
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There's also a video of Nepenthe for those interested...
https://www.tv4play.se/nyheter_och_debatt/nyhetsmorgon?title=opeth_-_nepenthe&videoid=2019576
After watching this, I really hope we only end up getting one or two songs from Heritage played live (and that those two are The Devil's Orchard and Slither). As good as Nepenthe is on the album, holy shit was this boring to watch.
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Yeah, it's really a lot of jam and feels like improvisation, I must admit that I love the song on the album though.
As I feel, I think that Opeth playing Heritage in it's entirety doesn't feel far fetched, but on the other hand, I don't think Opeth has ever promoted an album that way before, aside from when they played BWP in it's entirety for the special shows.
To be honest, I would love to see Heritage in full, but I would also love to see some of their older songs, when I saw them live, I was lucky enough to get: Deliverance (one of my top-favorites), The Leper Affinity and Ghost of Perdition (same there), and Heir Apparent, The Lotus Eater and Closure, (those were fantastic as well)
Some songs on my wishlist for the concert:
Harlequin Forest
Blackwater Park
The Drapery Falls
In Mist She Was Standing
Under the Weeping Moon
The Night and the Silent Water
When
The Moor
Serenity Painted Death
Windowpane
Hope Leaves
Weakness
Isolation Years
The Baying of the Hounds
A Fair Judgement
Masters Apprentices
Yeah I know, loads of songs I really want to hear, and I probably won't be disappointed no matter what they play.
As I said, I would LOVE to hear Heritage in full, but I would just as much love a mixed setlist.
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Heritage in full could be pretty cool I guess, but then I truly would not feel like I was at an Opeth concert. I will defend the new album to the death for being a very good effort from Mikael and the rest of the band, but honestly 75% of it just does not feel like live material to me. And when I think about seeing Opeth live, I think about my second time seeing them, when they opened with Heir Apparent and I was crushed by a fat kid in my very first mosh pit. Everything about that show kicked every bit of ass. And cutting that down to an encore after staring at the band for 50+ minutes during all of Heritage just seems like a boring and disappointing experience to me.
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I guess it depends a bit on what kind of fan you are, and by that I mean if you are more there for the metal-aspect, or the prog-aspect.
Around 4-5 years ago it was obvious for me to engage moshpits and wall of death's, but now I don't really do that, and consider myself more a "passive" guy in the audience, sure I'll sing along and try to move and such if possible, but I won't start headbanging like crazy or mosh people down if they play a metal-song. :P
So in that sense, it wouldn't bother me if they played stuff like Damnation in full, or an album like Deliverance in full, but I get what you mean with Heritage, and that it might not be the best live-material.
As much as I love the album, a lot of it feels like jam and improv, and I'm not sure how it would work in a live-setting.
On the other side, Opeth might prove us wrong by playing it live in it's entirety, and really succeeding with it, so it's hard to judge by just knowing how it sounds studio.
They might also change some parts of songs live, parts that sound well on album but wouldn't have worked live. ;)
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Setlist wishlist. Any of these and I'll be happy:
Hessian Peel
When
Bleak
Blackwater Park
The Funeral Portrait
Face of Melinda
Ghost of Perdition
Baying of the Hounds
Lotus Eater
Deliverance
In My Time of Need
The Drapery Falls
Hope Leaves
To Rid the Disease
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HOLY SHIT THE BAYING OF THE HOUNDS
I'd LOVE to see that tune live.
Live wishlist:
Ghost of Perdition
Deliverance
A Fair Judgement
Master's Apprentices
Heir Apparent
Burden (optimistic, I know)
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HOLY SHIT THE BAYING OF THE HOUNDS
I'd LOVE to see that tune live.
I saw Opeth twice on the Ghost Reveries tour, once in November 2005 with Nevermore and Into Eternity, the other in February 2006 with the Devin Townsend Band and Dark Tranquillity. Both times they played The Baying of the Hounds. Both times it was freaking amazing. :metal
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It's just fucking awesome. That riff about a minute and a half in just slays
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My dream setlist:
Ghost of Perdition
The Baying of the Hounds
Beneath the Mire
Atonement
Harlequin Forest
Hours of Wealth
The Grand Conjuration
Isolation Years
The Moor
Deliverance
The Drapery Falls
And then Isolation Years again because it would be such an amazing closer and who the fuck cares if they played it already.
Yep.
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My dream setlist:
Ghost of Perdition
The Baying of the Hounds
Beneath the Mire
Atonement
Harlequin Forest
Hours of Wealth
The Grand Conjuration
Isolation Years
The Moor
Deliverance
The Drapery Falls
And then Isolation Years again because it would be such an amazing closer and who the fuck cares if they played it already.
Yep.
Ghost Reveries :metal
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Not enough Godhead's Lament.
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All I have to say is Underwhelming. Way to hyped up. Its not bad, but definitely felt like it could've been much better.
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Just listened to the new album on the streaming site, and whilst I am definitely going to go out and buy it I have to say I was a bit disappointed. I hope this album isn't a sign of things to come, and that the old opeth with the death/soft contrasts is gone because the new album didn't really move me at all...
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Yeah, cause it's not like we have 8 Opeth albums with harsh/clean-vocals already, why oh why would the band do something new after 20 years, rather then sticking to the same sound they've had since they left school? :\
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All I have to say is Underwhelming. Way to hyped up. Its not bad, but definitely felt like it could've been much better.
Just listened to the new album on the streaming site, and whilst I am definitely going to go out and buy it I have to say I was a bit disappointed. I hope this album isn't a sign of things to come, and that the old opeth with the death/soft contrasts is gone because the new album didn't really move me at all...
Wow, Im listening to the stream right now, 25 minutes in. I must say I'm having mixed reactions. I like the jazzier feel (though I wouldn't call it jazz-fusion as some have been claiming), and it's experimental, but I sense a lack of direction in the songwriting; like, where is this going? The production is also a little strange. However, the music itself has intrigued me enough to purchase it. It'll be my first since Ghost Reveries, since I lost interest in Opeth a little while after GR came out.
Sadly, I find myself agreeing with most of what I see in these three posts. I just got through my first listen, and I didn't really hear much that I'd like to revisit. I had high-hopes for the band's new direction, but there was very little I heard on this album that really excited me aside from a couple movements here and there.
I don't know if I'll be buying this now. I mean, it was OK, and if there already weren't so many good albums coming out this month I could justify it, but now I'm just not sure.
It's a shame. This was definitely my most anticipated album this month, aside from DT.
Also, the production is weird. I hope that's just the stream, though. SW usually does a good job so we'll have to wait and hear.
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Is this another one of those "did not click at first listen, fuck this"-posts? :P
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Is this another one of those "did not click at first listen, fuck this"-posts? :P
Like I said, it might be. I don't know yet. I could stream it a couple times, sure. But am I going to go out and buy it? I dunno. I've already doing to be spending quite a bit this month and next month on DT, Arch/Matheos, Mastodon, Pain of Salvation, Steve Wilson, and Haken, and whoever else I'm forgetting. I realize for some people who download everything listening to everything and giving everything the chance it deserves is no big deal, but as someone who usually buys their music I'm not sure I can really justify keeping this album on the tab now.
I'm sure I'll check it out again sometime later, maybe around Christmas, but now it might just be time for me to pass on this. I know it's not fair to judge something on a first impression, but hey, I can't buy everything that I'm even remotely interested in.
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If you're going to buy DT, that proves that you don't care too much about what you spend your cash on, so Heritage is easily worth it. :biggrin:
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I enjoyed ADTOE on first listen infinitely more than Heritage. I'm not trying to troll by stating that; you seem to think it's relevant for some reason.
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Nah but to be honest, I think most of Opeth's albums require several listens before they click, even though Heritage might need a couple of more spins.
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Right now I'd rank it around-about Damnation. There's some cool parts, some boring parts, and ultimetly it's cool that they did this one time but honestly I wouldn't be too thrilled about hearing it done again.
Will give it another shot, though. When I'm bored of everything else coming out this month :)
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I think more people should listen to music like I do, I tend to listen to an album about 7-8 times in a week before I make up my mind.
There has been some albums that sounded bad at first, but then I loved it after those 7-8 times. :lol
Nah, but you should easily listen to it again.
It's fantastic. :tup
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If you're going to buy DT, that proves that you don't care too much about what you spend your cash on, so Heritage is easily worth it. :biggrin:
this would be a good and perhaps less condescending statement if ADTOE wasn't infinitely better than Heritage
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If you're going to buy DT, that proves that you don't care too much about what you spend your cash on, so Heritage is easily worth it. :biggrin:
this would be a good and perhaps less condescending statement if ADTOE wasn't infinitely better than Heritage
Maybe in Australia
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If you're going to buy DT, that proves that you don't care too much about what you spend your cash on, so Heritage is easily worth it. :biggrin:
this would be a good and perhaps less condescending statement if ADTOE wasn't infinitely better than Heritage
DTF is always a good place for laughter. ;)
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I think more people should listen to music like I do, I tend to listen to an album about 7-8 times in a week before I make up my mind.
There has been some albums that sounded bad at first, but then I loved it after those 7-8 times. :lol
I agree, I usually try and do something while listening to an album for the first few times to take my mind off it a bit (playing video games, reading). I find that I really absorb it and I can listen to the album a lot more times than otherwise without getting sick of it. It usually takes me 5-6 listens to really discover how good the album is.
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I'm a bit the same, it's interesting because after a few spins, some songs (melodies and such) tend to just pop up in my head while not listening to the album, and eventually more and more songs do that (click), and I start to appreciate the album more and more.
I'm probably pretty weird in my music listening, normally I pick a few artists that I'm going to listen to each week (say 4-5 every week), and then I listen to those, not particular albums or anything, but I try to listen to an album at least 7-8 times (if I haven't heard it before), and then next week I move on with 4-5 other artists, though sometimes some artists/bands stay with me for several weeks, and I just change the others. :P
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Yeah, cause it's not like we have 8 Opeth albums with harsh/clean-vocals already, why oh why would the band do something new after 20 years, rather then sticking to the same sound they've had since they left school? :\
I wasn't saying bands should never change, I'm just saying that the old opeth sound was amazing, and the albums really moved me with those massive contrasts. The songs on watershed I am least tired of hearing are the ones with growls. I love Akerfeldt's clean vocals, and think he does some really nice parts but I don't think a whole album of softer opeth is anywhere near as interesting as the older albums. Maybe it will grow on me like damnation did but in the meantime I will make a bold statement: Opeth aren't as good at writing soft songs as they are at writing heavy ones
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Hours of Wealth, A Fair Judgement, and Face of Melinda would like a word with you.
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Isolation Years, Hope Leaves, Harvest, Credence, Burden, Hours of Wealth, A Fair Judgement, and Face of Melinda would like a word with you.
:tup
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I meant that more in a sense of If you were to look at the average rating of my top 15 heavy opeth songs, it would be higher than that of my top 15 soft opeth songs.
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I'm not sure how it would be for me to be honest, take Deliverance and Isolation Years for example, two completely different songs, still both would be up there fighting for my favorite Opeth-song spot.
It's hard to say.
One thing I must say, and I don't think many will agree, but I think Porcelain Heart was one of the best songs on Watershed, and it's both really heavy and features no growls.
I think that could be a good way for Opeth to make heavy songs in the future, without growls. (if Mikael doesn't want to growl)
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I'm a bit the same, it's interesting because after a few spins, some songs (melodies and such) tend to just pop up in my head while not listening to the album, and eventually more and more songs do that (click), and I start to appreciate the album more and more.
I'm probably pretty weird in my music listening, normally I pick a few artists that I'm going to listen to each week (say 4-5 every week), and then I listen to those, not particular albums or anything, but I try to listen to an album at least 7-8 times (if I haven't heard it before), and then next week I move on with 4-5 other artists, though sometimes some artists/bands stay with me for several weeks, and I just change the others. :P
Thats cool and interesting. I usually go through phases with different albums where I will listen to them once a week or less for a few months. I have a lot of albums that are currently in a "phase", so that I can listen to 4-5 albums a day without listening to an album more than once a week or so. This way I avoid overlistening to albums, although on the downside it takes me longer to get into new albums (I try to incorporate new albums into this schedule). Albums slowly drift in and out of these phases for me; some may last a month, some last 4-5 months and some never leave. The list is slowly growing though as I find more good albums that stay with me for ages :)
That was probably a confusing post, but thats pretty much how I listen to music :p
And I love Porcelain Heart! My favourite from Watershed.
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All I have to say is Underwhelming. Way to hyped up. Its not bad, but definitely felt like it could've been much better.
Just listened to the new album on the streaming site, and whilst I am definitely going to go out and buy it I have to say I was a bit disappointed. I hope this album isn't a sign of things to come, and that the old opeth with the death/soft contrasts is gone because the new album didn't really move me at all...
Wow, Im listening to the stream right now, 25 minutes in. I must say I'm having mixed reactions. I like the jazzier feel (though I wouldn't call it jazz-fusion as some have been claiming), and it's experimental, but I sense a lack of direction in the songwriting; like, where is this going? The production is also a little strange. However, the music itself has intrigued me enough to purchase it. It'll be my first since Ghost Reveries, since I lost interest in Opeth a little while after GR came out.
Sadly, I find myself agreeing with most of what I see in these three posts. I just got through my first listen, and I didn't really hear much that I'd like to revisit. I had high-hopes for the band's new direction, but there was very little I heard on this album that really excited me aside from a couple movements here and there.
I don't know if I'll be buying this now. I mean, it was OK, and if there already weren't so many good albums coming out this month I could justify it, but now I'm just not sure.
It's a shame. This was definitely my most anticipated album this month, aside from DT.
Also, the production is weird. I hope that's just the stream, though. SW usually does a good job so we'll have to wait and hear.
This isn't acceptable. Listen more and you will love it.
BC
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Nah but to be honest, I think most of Opeth's albums require several listens before they click, even though Heritage might need a couple of more spins.
Most Opeth albums have clicked with me first listen. Just because I don't spin an album 3 or so times before I give judgement, it doesn't mean I'm rushing my thoughts. I was bored most of the time listening to it, I listened to OTBOA last night and enjoyed it an insane amount. Heritage just wasted a lot of opportunity it had, and it never really climaxed.
:L
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To be honest, I think Mikael achieved exactly what he wanted to achieve with this album.
The album also sounds pretty much exactly like I had expected by what was said about it before, I don't know what you "the album sounded interesting before but wasn't"-people had expected, because the result sounds pretty much like how it was described beforehand.
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Heritage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADTOE
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Yeah and I agree with that as well, I don't want to diss ADTOE too much, because I feel like it's DT's best album since 6DOIT or ToT, but Heritage is a really interesting album, has some really good songs, and is overall just a fascinating listening-experience.
One of those albums you gotta hear in full because it's a journey.
ADTOE on the other side, is DT.
Some good songs, but mostly just decent songs. (IMO ofc)
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To be honest, I think Mikael achieved exactly what he wanted to achieve with this album.
The album also sounds pretty much exactly like I had expected by what was said about it before, I don't know what you "the album sounded interesting before but wasn't"-people had expected, because the result sounds pretty much like how it was described beforehand.
I came into this album with no preformed ideas, I was just gonna listen and see how I liked it, the only exposure I'd had had been the Decibel article with Mikael, and The Devil's Orchard
And after that song, nothing ever climaxed, it just stayed lukewarm. I'm not a diehard Opeth fan so I'm not gonna feel betrayed by a band changing their sound, hell Exodus did and it's been for the better honestly, but I just feel they didn't acheive what they'd hoped to achieve. I mean its nice and all that they enjoyed making this album, but in the end, its all underwhelming and not that memorable. I'll give it another listen, but after WITTR, Anthrax, Revocation, The Atlas Moth, Mastodon, and maybe even Skeltonwitch and Black Tusk. I've got a lot more I'd rather listen to right now.
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Heritage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADTOE
How many babies do you want to make?
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I think it's good that you're not a diehard Opeth-fan tbh, those are crazy. :lol
The worst kind of fans are the ones that DEMAND something from their favorite artists/bands, I think in the end we should all be happy that they are doing what they want to do, and we should just appreciate that. :heart
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I think it's good that you're not a diehard Opeth-fan tbh, those are crazy. :lol
The worst kind of fans are the ones that DEMAND something from their favorite artists/bands, I think in the end we should all be happy that they are doing what they want to do, and we should just appreciate that. :heart
Eh, while you should never demand a certain standard to be met from a band you like, taking that attitude isn't much better. Morbid Angel's new album is just awful, is it cool that Trey's doing what he wants to do and he doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks? Yeah, but at the same time, if he really wanted to change the sound of Morbid Angel that much, why not form a 'Side Project' with the members so as not to completely ruin and alienate Morbid Angel for everyone. Chuck Schuldiner did that with Control Denied, and his Death fans not only liked it, but appreciated he didn't change 'Death's' sound, even though both band featured the members from the album era 'The Sound of Perseverance' with a new singer.
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Heritage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADTOE
How many babies do you want to make?
All of the babies.
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Some babies are best left undone.
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I think it's good that you're not a diehard Opeth-fan tbh, those are crazy. :lol
The worst kind of fans are the ones that DEMAND something from their favorite artists/bands, I think in the end we should all be happy that they are doing what they want to do, and we should just appreciate that. :heart
Eh, while you should never demand a certain standard to be met from a band you like, taking that attitude isn't much better. Morbid Angel's new album is just awful, is it cool that Trey's doing what he wants to do and he doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks? Yeah, but at the same time, if he really wanted to change the sound of Morbid Angel that much, why not form a 'Side Project' with the members so as not to completely ruin and alienate Morbid Angel for everyone. Chuck Schuldiner did that with Control Denied, and his Death fans not only liked it, but appreciated he didn't change 'Death's' sound, even though both band featured the members from the album era 'The Sound of Perseverance' with a new singer.
Death's sound changed DRASTICALLY over their career though... Just listen to their first album, then The Sound of Perseverance...
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I think it's good that you're not a diehard Opeth-fan tbh, those are crazy. :lol
The worst kind of fans are the ones that DEMAND something from their favorite artists/bands, I think in the end we should all be happy that they are doing what they want to do, and we should just appreciate that. :heart
Eh, while you should never demand a certain standard to be met from a band you like, taking that attitude isn't much better. Morbid Angel's new album is just awful, is it cool that Trey's doing what he wants to do and he doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks? Yeah, but at the same time, if he really wanted to change the sound of Morbid Angel that much, why not form a 'Side Project' with the members so as not to completely ruin and alienate Morbid Angel for everyone. Chuck Schuldiner did that with Control Denied, and his Death fans not only liked it, but appreciated he didn't change 'Death's' sound, even though both band featured the members from the album era 'The Sound of Perseverance' with a new singer.
Death's sound changed DRASTICALLY over their career though... Just listen to their first album, then The Sound of Perseverance...
But they still had a certain sound and standard that they delivered. Chuck made it more progessive the further in he got, but with every album you can say without a doubt, "THIS IS DEATH" with Heritage, it sounds like an unsure "Maybe it's Opeth?"
I think you can understand what I'm trying to say.
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I'm still not understanding how people can't identify it as Opeth. :lol
It's so obvious when listening to it. :P
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It sounds like an Identity Crisis.
But do you get what I'm saying with that example of Death, Morbid Angel and such.
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New album is good, everyone should shut up
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Heritage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADTOE
Your crocodiles are backwards.
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Heritage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADTOE
Your crocodiles are backwards.
As awesome of a person you seem to be, Alexi, I have to agree with Ryan here. I mean, DT is one of the best bands ever, but Opeth totally beats them here.
BC
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Heritage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADTOE
Your crocodiles are backwards.
As awesome of a person you seem to be, Alexi, I have to agree with Ryan here. I mean, DT is one of the best bands ever, but Opeth totally beats them here.
BC
At least you put it in respectful terms. I'll give you that.
*cough*
But yeah, I love Heritage quite a bit, but it's definitely not in my top 5 for this year (yet, so maybe). Probably top 10 or 15.
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:lol Alexi
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???
BC
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It's Alexei
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New album is good, everyone should shut up
Okay, I'll forget about Black Tusk in October and just put it on my shelf while I bore myself to tears on new Opeth. ;D
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I'm still not understanding how people can't identify it as Opeth. :lol
It's so obvious when listening to it. :P
This.
It sounds much more like Opeth then people make it sound, it's almost so clear that you hear it on the intro track already. :P
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I'm still not understanding how people can't identify it as Opeth. :lol
It's so obvious when listening to it. :P
This.
It sounds much more like Opeth then people make it sound, it's almost so clear that you hear it on the intro track already. :P
This is why I don't like sharing my opinions on albums or anything in general. I'm always told "Oh you just need to listen to it more" or "You guys obviously just aren't listening to it right its Opeth at their finest"
I mean you guys aren't blatantly saying it, but the undertones have been strong.
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It's hard to tell since I don't know how many times you have listened to it, but personally I believe that an album has to be heard at least 7-8 times before it's possible to determine the quality of it, especially it it's an album with many layers, and the type of music where you hear new things with each listen. :P
But there's really nothing as a right opinion or a wrong opinion, but personally I believe that this album sounds more like Opeth then some of their other albums has, I think it sounds more Opeth then Watershed and Damnation does, even though the former has growls on it.
I don't know, it's just how I see it. ;)
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It's hard to tell since I don't know how many times you have listened to it, but personally I believe that an album has to be heard at least 7-8 times before it's possible to determine the quality of it, especially it it's an album with many layers, and the type of music where you hear new things with each listen. :P
But there's really nothing as a right opinion or a wrong opinion, but personally I believe that this album sounds more like Opeth then some of their other albums has, I think it sounds more Opeth then Watershed and Damnation does, even though the former has growls on it.
I don't know, it's just how I see it. ;)
1-2 listens for me is all I need to determine an album
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Cool stuff, so in other words you can listen to an album twice, and then it will never grow on you again? ;)
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Cool stuff, so in other words you can listen to an album twice, and then it will never grow on you again? ;)
Um. Going by your logic, I need to listen to Lil Wayne's The Carter IV 7-8 to determine I really don't like it. If I can listen to an album twice through and decide that I don't really like it, then I think it's safe to say it won't grow on me that much. Like I said, its not inherently bad, they have good musicianship, but overall its colossally undewhelming and not the exciting venture I hoped it would be.
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Nah, I'm just saying that things can come around.
I've experienced albums myself that were hard to like at first, but after X amount of listens, they started to grow for real.
Might be different for everyone I guess.
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I have given Heritage about half a dozen spins now, and sad to say, my initial opinion hasn't changed. My dislike for it has nothing to do with my expectations of Opeth-I love the hell out of Damnation, and have loved their lighter moments all the way back to Orchid. I don't find the songwriting on the album to be particularly strong, it wears its seventies progressive rock influences on its sleeve, and it simply bores me. I said it on my first listen, and I say it again: Opeth isn't a very good 70s progressive rock band. Their lighter moments, even Damnation, still felt like Opeth. This feels like some band that put out a single album around 1975 or so that the critics would hammer for aping their betters too closely.
This is the first time Opeth's disappointed me.
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I have given Heritage about half a dozen spins now, and sad to say, my initial opinion hasn't changed. My dislike for it has nothing to do with my expectations of Opeth-I love the hell out of Damnation, and have loved their lighter moments all the way back to Orchid. I don't find the songwriting on the album to be particularly strong, it wears its seventies progressive rock influences on its sleeve, and it simply bores me. I said it on my first listen, and I say it again: Opeth isn't a very good 70s progressive rock band. Their lighter moments, even Damnation, still felt like Opeth. This feels like some band that put out a single album around 1975 or so that the critics would hammer for aping their betters too closely.
This is the first time Opeth's disappointed me.
Thank you. Have I said we need to be best buds?
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I'm curious if the people bashing Heritage are the same people that will praise ADTOE.
Just curious, I'm not insinuating anything. :P
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I'm curious if the people bashing Heritage are the same people that will praise ADTOE.
Just curious, I'm not insinuating anything. :P
No one's bashing anything, and yes I found ADTOE much better.
Giving a critique is not the same as bashing.
What makes you right to say Heritage is better than ADTOE? It's all opinions, and just because someone disagrees, doesn't make you right or wrong, so I don't get why you keep putting everyone off who says they don't like it as bashers, or they didn't listen to it enough.
I fully know well enough that not many people are gonna agree with me when I say Dark Castle have released the best album of the year, not many people listen to a lot of doom metal and its not the most accessible, do I tell everyone they're just ignorant? Nope, I just respect their decision and I'll just keep listening to DC, and you know what? Some people I do show them to love them, and thats pretty cool too.
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I'm curious if the people bashing Heritage are the same people that will praise ADTOE.
Just curious, I'm not insinuating anything. :P
No one's bashing anything, and yes I found ADTOE much better.
Giving a critique is not the same as bashing.
What makes you right to say Heritage is better than ADTOE? It's all opinions, and just because someone disagrees, doesn't make you right or wrong, so I don't get why you keep putting everyone off who says they don't like it as bashers, or they didn't listen to it enough.
I fully know well enough that not many people are gonna agree with me when I say Dark Castle have released the best album of the year, not many people listen to a lot of doom metal and its not the most accessible, do I tell everyone they're just ignorant? Nope, I just respect their decision and I'll just keep listening to DC, and you know what? Some people I do show them to love them, and thats pretty cool too.
You may be reading between the lines in his posts. I don't think he's called anyone ignorant and has been discussing his opinions pretty respectfully.
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Yeah, I haven't called anyone ignorant, and I'm trying to be as respectful in discussions as I can.
In this case it's an album I really like, and it hasn't even been released officially yet (that's how new it is), and I've already come across several people who are like: "yeah I heard it while I played Halo with my pals last night, it sounded lame" and even though I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, I do think that every album needs a bit time to be digested, and at least a few spins additional to the first, before people should call it out as a bad album. :P
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I have given Heritage about half a dozen spins now, and sad to say, my initial opinion hasn't changed. My dislike for it has nothing to do with my expectations of Opeth-I love the hell out of Damnation, and have loved their lighter moments all the way back to Orchid. I don't find the songwriting on the album to be particularly strong, it wears its seventies progressive rock influences on its sleeve, and it simply bores me. I said it on my first listen, and I say it again: Opeth isn't a very good 70s progressive rock band. Their lighter moments, even Damnation, still felt like Opeth. This feels like some band that put out a single album around 1975 or so that the critics would hammer for aping their betters too closely.
This is the first time Opeth's disappointed me.
Thank you. Have I said we need to be best buds?
I think you did when I said I liked Woe and Wolves in the Throne Room :lol
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Pyre :heart
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This isn't acceptable. Listen more and you will love it.
BC
OK, in that case allow me to send you my address via PM. You can have the album shipped to me whenever is convenient for you ;D
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while I am not a fan of growls, I do have to admit I miss them on this album
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I listened to the stream again. Unfortunately, it just reinforced my initial reaction. I really don't know how to react to this album. While I can appreciate it on the aesthetic/expiremental level, I'm just not sure what this album is trying to make me feel, which is bad as far as I'm concerned.
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Yeah, I haven't called anyone ignorant, and I'm trying to be as respectful in discussions as I can.
In this case it's an album I really like, and it hasn't even been released officially yet (that's how new it is), and I've already come across several people who are like: "yeah I heard it while I played Halo with my pals last night, it sounded lame" and even though I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, I do think that every album needs a bit time to be digested, and at least a few spins additional to the first, before people should call it out as a bad album. :P
I listened to it while doing homework. Paid attention to it the whole time. The ignorant remark was a tad far, but you're sending strong undertones of it. I don't know if you're talking about the people on here or not, but I don't remember anyone who didn't like it saying they didn't pay much attention to it. We're critiquing it and some of us just don't find it that good.
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I think it's a brilliant album. And I love when artists try new things.
rumborak
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I listened to it while doing homework. Paid attention to it the whole time.
Sounds like you paid attention to the wrong thing tbh. :biggrin:
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I listened to the stream again. Unfortunately, it just reinforced my initial reaction. I really don't know how to react to this album. While I can appreciate it on the aesthetic/expiremental level, I'm just not sure what this album is trying to make me feel, which is bad as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe if you heard it on vinyl you would appreciate it.
Buy the vinyl, spin it a few times, then come back to me and tell me you don't like it. You won't.
BC
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I listened to the stream again. Unfortunately, it just reinforced my initial reaction. I really don't know how to react to this album. While I can appreciate it on the aesthetic/expiremental level, I'm just not sure what this album is trying to make me feel, which is bad as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe if you heard it on vinyl you would appreciate it.
Buy the vinyl, spin it a few times, then come back to me and tell me you don't like it. You won't.
BC
Maybe. That's happened to me with albums before. So, when you shipping me the vinyl?
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Do you honestly think you would appreciate the vinyl if you didn't buy it yourself? I've never once appreciated an album that I pirated or stole or that someone else bought for me. Knowing I spent hard earned cash on it is half my pleasure.
BC
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Do you honestly think you would appreciate the vinyl if you didn't buy it yourself? I've never once appreciated an album that I pirated or stole or that someone else bought for me. Knowing I spent hard earned cash on it is half my pleasure.
BC
I appreciate gifts, yes.
I hear you on the piracy thing, though. Which is why I'm not pirating Heritage.
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Do you honestly think you would appreciate the vinyl if you didn't buy it yourself? I've never once appreciated an album that I pirated or stole or that someone else bought for me. Knowing I spent hard earned cash on it is half my pleasure.
BC
I appreciate gifts, yes.
I hear you on the piracy thing, though. Which is why I'm not pirating Heritage.
You have never been wronger.
BC
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I listened to the stream again. Unfortunately, it just reinforced my initial reaction. I really don't know how to react to this album. While I can appreciate it on the aesthetic/expiremental level, I'm just not sure what this album is trying to make me feel, which is bad as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe if you heard it on vinyl you would appreciate it.
Buy the vinyl, spin it a few times, then come back to me and tell me you don't like it. You won't.
BC
I listened to it while doing homework. Paid attention to it the whole time.
Sounds like you paid attention to the wrong thing tbh. :biggrin:
You guys are being ridiculous now. I've listened to the album, didn't like, and moved on. Why can't you guys? Why do you keep insisting we're not listening to it right and telling us to re listen, and re listen and relisten when the fact is, I listened to it, gave it my attention and wasn't interested. Hot damn, you guys are acting like Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Dude chill, my comment was aimed at the fact that you probably should have focused on the homework if you were doing it. :lol
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I'm curious if the people bashing Heritage are the same people that will praise ADTOE.
Just curious, I'm not insinuating anything. :P
Can't people love both? Or indeed hate both?
The two albums are clearly nothing like each other (I haven't actually heard Heritage yet so am only going off the way my brother described it) so any comparison is meaningless.
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I applaud a band that is willing to take chances, move in very different directions, and choose to make music that they want and not just want fans want.
I am very much looking forward to this album.
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Blah, listening to Blackwater Park and The Leper Affinity has so much groove and power in the first half. Makes me miss that sort of energy on Heritage...
I really do /want/ to like Heritage. I like some of the musical ideas and it's all very interesting but it still seems to lose energy and power and more or less just be a collection of ideas to me at the moment. I guess I'll listen more soon or something.
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I'm curious if the people bashing Heritage are the same people that will praise ADTOE.
Just curious, I'm not insinuating anything. :P
Can't people love both? Or indeed hate both?
The two albums are clearly nothing like each other (I haven't actually heard Heritage yet so am only going off the way my brother described it) so any comparison is meaningless.
This. You can deny it all you want Zantera, but you ARE insinuating things about other people's tastes. Maybe you didn't mean to, but the tone and context lend your statement to that interpretation.
I have to say I dislike Heritage. I've listened to it a few times, and just don't have an urge to listen again. Maybe I will when the CD comes in, but too much of it doesn't do anything for me. I applaud Opeth for being able to take the 70s sound, mix it with a bit of their Watershed sound, and still make it sound Opethy, but the end result doesn't wow me the way I hoped it would. Hopefully it'll be a one-time experiment. If its not, maybe the next effort will be better. I dunno.
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It wasn't really my intent, it was just something I was pretty curious about. :P
I think that if Opeth had stayed with their growl/clean vocals/metUUl/acoustic passages-formula and made a mediocre album, people would still have liked it, because it's still "Opeth".
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It wasn't really my intent, it was just something I was pretty curious about. :P
I think that if Opeth had stayed with their growl/clean vocals/metUUl/acoustic passages-formula and made a mediocre album, people would still have liked it, because it's still "Opeth".
Yeah, some of the Opeth fans are like that, and plenty aren't (I know quite a few who love the album). Everyone has their own specific tastes. This album happens to suit yours, but won't suit someone else's.
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It wasn't really my intent, it was just something I was pretty curious about. :P
I think that if Opeth had stayed with their growl/clean vocals/metUUl/acoustic passages-formula and made a mediocre album, people would still have liked it, because it's still "Opeth".
Yeah, but ok, like me for example. I was really excited when I first heard Opeth were stepping out of their box. I was looking forward to hearing Heritage a lot. But I just didn't like it. It had nothing to do with my pre-conceived notions of what I think "Opeth" are supposed to sound like.
Anyway, still gonna give it more chances and stuff.
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The Lines in My Hand has some of my favorite bass lines ever.
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Have not listened to the new album yet, but I thought Devil's orchard was ok. If the rest of the album is close to that tone I think I might dig it. Not liking the fact that a lot of people are saying the songwriting is not strong thouhgh. Makes me feel a bit apprehensive about getting the album.
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For me the rest of the album is better than Devil's Orchard (except maybe Haxprocess, which I don't like that much at least for now).
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Have not listened to the new album yet, but I thought Devil's orchard was ok. If the rest of the album is close to that tone I think I might dig it. Not liking the fact that a lot of people are saying the songwriting is not strong thouhgh. Makes me feel a bit apprehensive about getting the album.
You shouldn't really care what other people say tbh, if you let other people's opinions affect you, then it will certainly cloud your judgment of the album.
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New album did nothing for me.
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New album did nothing for me.
Np.
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i was expecting to love heritage as i'm not big on death metal vox (they actually put me off getting into opeth for a few years) even though i love opeth. only heard it twice so far and would say it's good but not amazing. i prefer the new style of vocals, the jazz grooves, proggy vibe, but its just a bit lacking in energy in parts. also slither sounds so un-opeth, i couldn't believe it the first time i heard it, it sounded more like megadeth. that, and a few of the other scarce heavy riffs on the record just sound like gratuitous heaviness for the sake of balance, i.e. a bit forced.
i think their next output will be more like watershed, prog mixed with some death metal bits.
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Have not listened to the new album yet, but I thought Devil's orchard was ok. If the rest of the album is close to that tone I think I might dig it. Not liking the fact that a lot of people are saying the songwriting is not strong thouhgh. Makes me feel a bit apprehensive about getting the album.
You shouldn't really care what other people say tbh, if you let other people's opinions affect you, then it will certainly cloud your judgment of the album.
Not necessarily. If like you, he'll just disagree :P
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New album did nothing for me.
Np.
was this post really necessary? :P
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Obviously it was, just as necessary as yours now. :P
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well, I mean it just kind of makes it sound like no matter that the album didn't do anything for him, it doesn't change the actual quality of it, which is subjective and yadda yadda. idk haha :lol
in any case Folklore is actually pretty cool after repeated listens. (and i dig the instrumentals, i have since first listen)
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It's funny, because most people who have heard Heritage praises Folklore, and even though I really like the track, I would probably say it's nr 4 or 5 on my Heritage-ranking. :P
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The Devil's Orchard is really the only song I think is all that good on the album.
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And though I don't find the record to be amazing I will say however that I disagree with the people who said this doesn't sound like Opeth. The death metal vox are gone, yes, but the sound is unmistakably Opeth. The atmosphere and all.
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Slither is really the only song I think is all that good on the album.
Fix'd for me.
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From what I remember, Watershed's reception was pretty so-so when it came out as well, so even though it might not be the case at all, maybe in a year, people will be all like "damn, Heritage was fantastic after all". :P
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I was actually hoping the album would be more like "Burden" :P
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From what I remember, Watershed's reception was pretty so-so when it came out as well, so even though it might not be the case at all, maybe in a year, people will be all like "damn, Heritage was fantastic after all". :P
Watershed was heralded as their Opus, I remember distinctly when it came out. I mean Heritage is Opeth, but its sounds like a lost Opeth, with a string of ideas, but not a well execution of said ideas.
And if this album had sounded like "Burden" I would have cum my skinny jeans as thats one of my favorite Opeth songs.
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I dunno what I would expect from the album to be honest, I had read about Mikael's influences and had a pretty good picture in my head of how it would sound, unlike most others here I didn't check out The Devil's Orchard when it came out, because I wanted the whole experience to be unspoiled.
Anyhow, I think the result is pretty much how I had expected it to sound, so I am not really disappointed there.
Again, I'm pretty anti the whole "going back to the 70's because lol'-thing that most bands seem to do now, because I really don't listen to much music before the 90's.
However, I do think that Opeth managed to make a captivating record that keeps me interested throughout the full playtime, it sounds both like a mixture of their influences, but also very much like Opeth.
I might agree that as for standout-songs, this album is very hard to 'read', because even though I've listened to it 10 times or so, (and love most of the songs), I still have no clue what, or if any of the songs will have that 'classic'-status in 5 years.
That is probably my biggest mystery with this album, I love the whole thing as an album, but I wouldn't really pick any of the songs for random individual song-listening, it's just hard to explain why.
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Watershed was heralded as their Opus
Huh?
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Watershed was heralded as their Opus
Huh?
At least by all of the Major magazines ala Metal Hammer, Decibel, Terrorizer and such. And I've always heard nothing but praise for it.
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Just listened to Heritage. Not sure what I think of it really, most of the tracks sounded pretty samey and Famine felt waaaay too long.
OTOH, Slither, Nepenthe and Folklore were pretty cool.
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At least by all of the Major magazines ala Metal Hammer, Decibel, Terrorizer and such. And I've always heard nothing but praise for it.
I see an infinitely larger amount of praise for Blackwater Park. I like Watershed much more, personally, but I haven't seen it get nearly as much love.
As to the whole Heritage thing, I don't have any qualms over the change in sound; in fact, I think it's about time for them to evolve anyway, because their usual sound has been losing its appeal to me recently. The only thing I have against it is that I was a bit bored by it fairly quickly; most of the songs just didn't work in the way they should have. I like the energetic 70s sound, but besides Folklore none of the songs really interest me yet. I haven't really listened to it enough to give it a proper opinion, though.
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I listened to Heritage for the first time yesterday and well... I'm not impressed.
I really like Haxprocess as it feels very Opeth not in terms of the music itself but in the emotion and melancholic feel. However, most of the rest of the album feels a bit... lifeless to me. I don't mind it being mostly calm at all, but it lacks that "spark" that made even really calm and subtle moments incredibly powerful ("drown in the deep mire...").
I'm going to try again after I'm done with ADTOE (which could take a while), but for now... I am a bit disappointed...
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I probably sound like a broken record right about now, but if after only one listen you go to the internet writing about how disappointed you are, that will only further cement your disappointment.
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I feel like growls with the jazzy guitar would be pretty awesome.
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I probably sound like a broken record right about now, but if after only one listen you go to the internet writing about how disappointed you are, that will only further cement your disappointment.
Or you just didn't like it?
I wanted to like Heritage. I've given it more chances than I give most albums I didn't like on first listen. And I still don't like it. My disappointment wasn't cemented by commenting here, it was cemented by several replays of the album.
What I don't understand is why people are being so adamant about how the people who don't like it are doing something wrong. I've been listening to heavy metal and progressive music for over three decades, I don't need to learn how to listen to music. I just don't like Heritage.
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What I don't understand is why people are being so adamant about how the people who don't like it are doing something wrong. I've been listening to heavy metal and progressive music for over three decades, I don't need to learn how to listen to music. I just don't like Heritage.
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to everyone who, after listening to the album once, came to the internet to tell everyone about how "disappointed" or "unimpressed" they were. While it won't eliminate your chances, talking like that after one or two listens is going to greatly decrease the possibility of you liking something. The first listen or two of any album should always be used to familiarize, not judge, in my opinion. Learn how the songs go before you criticize them.
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I'm with TheOutlawXanadu, being disappointed or not liking the album after just ONE listen, that is fuckin' ridiculous.
At least give it a few spins. :lol
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I'm seriously getting sick of you guys telling us we're not giving the album a proper chance. The fact of the matter is that we did. Listening to an album I don't really like isn't going to make me like it more. Honestly you guys are being pretentious, and need to learn that other people don't have to like this album. You telling me I'm not giving it a chance because I knew I didn't like after one listen is ridiculous. If I can listen to Kvelertak's debut album once and decide its a perfect album( I've listened to it probably no less than 30 times and my opinion of it still hasn't changed) I'm pretty sure I'm capable of deciding whether I like a frickin album or not. God you guys, not to be rude but shut up already. :L
(Tell me to chill, but it still doesn't change the fact that you guys are kinda being ridiculous)
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I, uh, guess I'm a bit late to the party here and missed a lot.
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Our problem is not people disliking the album though, it's just people who listen to the album once and they are like "yeah this is bad, I will never listen to it again. Now lets go to DTF and post this". :rollin :rollin
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Our problem is not people disliking the album though, it's just people who listen to the album once and they are like "yeah this is bad, I will never listen to it again. Now lets go to DTF and post this". :rollin :rollin
I don't need to listen to an album 7 times to decide I don't like it though, you're of the opinion that I'm not well versed on the album, when I gave it my attention, found it uninteresting, and as a result came to post my opinion. Seriously what you're getting at is I'm just bashing the album when I'm not.
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I just find it remarkable that you can listen to an album once, then never listen to it again, and still have the same feelings about it 5 years later down the road.
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I just find it remarkable that you can listen to an album once, then never listen to it again, and still have the same feelings about it 5 years later down the road.
I find it remarkable that you're judging my listening habits because they differ from yours. If I find an album good enough for another listen, then I listen the fuck out of it. I usually listen to Dark Castle's Surrender To All Life Beyond Form everyday, because its such a good album.
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I'm with Dark Castle and Zantera on this one. On one hand, I think Zantera's taking it a bit too far (personal, almost) with going after people who don't like Heritage and saying they haven't given it a proper chance. On the other, I agree with Zantera in that one listen is almost NEVER a good way to judge whether you like an album or not.
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There is a significant difference between albums which feel simply "meh" to me at first listen, and albums which are like "this didn't impress me too much yet... but I'm intrigued and it may grow on me". Heritage was the former case. For contrast, with Blackwater Park I ALSO felt unimpressed at first, but I immediately felt it's likely to grow on me. I left it for a week or two, came back later, and it sucked me in completely. Different situation.
I'm just saying I am disappointed and will for now continue listening to ADTOE. Then I will come back to it, and I do not assume it will remain uninteresting to me, I hope my opinion will change. Maybe it will be the same as Blackwater Park.
Don't say something is dumb just because someone has different habits and ways of listening than you. I just said what my first impression of the album is, and I think that the point of a music forum isn't to write about something once in your life when your opinion is perfectly formed, but simply say something whenever you feel like it and communicate with people. That's at least the idea I got. If you say that I should listen to it more, good, this means my idea was right and I will return to it when I feel I want to do that.
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Dark Castle, are you saying that you've never had an album grow on you? There's never been an album that you didn't like much on first listen but later on liked quite a lot?
No worries if not, maybe it's just a different frame of mind you have. But it happens to me ALL the time. I'm pretty sure that's what Zant is getting at.
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I'm with Dark Castle and Zantera on this one. On one hand, I think Zantera's taking it a bit too far (personal, almost) with going after people who don't like Heritage and saying they haven't given it a proper chance. On the other, I agree with Zantera in that one listen is almost NEVER a good way to judge whether you like an album or not.
To be fair, I've listened to it practically twice, so its not really just one listen.
Dark Castle, are you saying that you've never had an album grow on you? There's never been an album that you didn't like much on first listen but later on liked quite a lot?
No worries if not, maybe it's just a different frame of mind you have. But it happens to me ALL the time. I'm pretty sure that's what Zant is getting at.
No I'm not. Autopsy's Macabre Eternal was a grower on me due to the vocals. One of my favorite records of the year now. I popped it back in the other day on my way back home from college and was :metal in my car.
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There is a significant difference between albums which feel simply "meh" to me at first listen, and albums which are like "this didn't impress me too much yet... but I'm intrigued and it may grow on me". Heritage was the former case. For contrast, with Blackwater Park I ALSO felt unimpressed at first, but I immediately felt it's likely to grow on me. I left it for a week or two, came back later, and it sucked me in completely. Different situation.
I totally understand where you're coming from, but a lot of times with music I think there is a potential for self-fulfilling prophecies.
So, what I mean by this is, when you say that Blackwater Park didn't impress you at first but you felt it would eventually, did it end up impressing you because your intuition was correct, or because by expressing that it would eventually impress you, it did?
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Don't say something is dumb just because someone has different habits and ways of listening than you. I just said what my first impression of the album is, and I think that the point of a music forum isn't to write about something once in your life when your opinion is perfectly formed, but simply say something whenever you feel like it and communicate with people. That's at least the idea I got. If you say that I should listen to it more, good, this means my idea was right and I will return to it when I feel I want to do that.
Exactly.
I enjoy giving first impressions on an album and then coming back and seeing how my impressions have changed after I've developed a more 'nuanced' opinion. It's usually pretty interesting.
Also, there have been plenty of albums that I was lukewarm about at first, but after the second (or even just the first) listen there was usually something that would indicate that this is worth exploring more. I've also listened to some albums where my initial reaction was so negative that I just knew either there was no way I'd ever come to like it or it was just not worth exploring. Very rarely have I come around on something I actively disliked. OK Computer might be the only example of that happening to me.
So, I agree with both sides a bit, really.
I totally understand where you're coming from, but a lot of times with music I think there is a potential for self-fulfilling prophecies.
So, what I mean by this is, when you say that Blackwater Park didn't impress you at first but you felt it would eventually, did it end up impressing you because your intuition was correct, or because by expressing that it would eventually impress you, it did?
I think it would be pretty hard (if not impossible) to try and figure out why someone got into an album at all. There are so many things that can affect the listening experience that boiling it down to an either/or would be pretty impossible, for me at least.
IF it was a case of the latter, then how would you know? The self has a way of inner-rationalization that can make even the easiest of answers cloudy and difficult to grasp.
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It can get so complicated, right? :lol
I guess my point is that there is power in complaining. A few years ago, I got into the habit of criticizing Systematic Chaos daily, and it got to the point where I was calling it "worthless" and rating it a 0/10. After a while, I realized that it's really not that bad. I don't particularly like it, but it's not the worst thing ever. The reason I was criticizing it so harshly was because I constantly complained about it, and somewhere along the line I convinced myself it was worse than it actually was.
Obviously that is an extreme example. It's just that there are a lot of people who have been criticizing Heritage after only one listen and they don't realize that if they continue to do that, it's going to be almost impossible for them to ever like it. You've got to give albums time and reserve judgement before you dismiss them. I apologize if I have put anyone in this category who does not belong, but I feel it needs to be said.
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It can get so complicated, right? :lol
I guess my point is that there is power in complaining. A few years ago, I got into the habit of criticizing Systematic Chaos daily, and it got to the point where I was calling it "worthless" and rating it a 0/10. After a while, I realized that it's really not that bad. I don't particularly like it, but it's not the worst thing ever. The reason I was criticizing it so harshly was because I constantly complained about it, and somewhere along the line I convinced myself it was worse than it actually was.
Obviously that is an extreme example. It's just that there are a lot of people who have been criticizing Heritage after only one listen and they don't realize that if they continue to do that, it's going to be almost impossible for them to ever like it. You've got to give albums time and reserve judgement before you dismiss them. I apologize if I have put anyone in this category who does not belong, but I feel it needs to be said.
My question to you then is, if I don't like it, why does it *matter* if I'm jeopardizing my chances of ever liking it by talking about why I don't like it? It just didn't accomplish anything to me, and I'd give it a 6/10 as its not inherently bad, but lost and had so much potential to be better.
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To be honest, my latest posts hasn't been about the dissing of Heritage, like others have said as well, I just think 1 or 2 listens aren't near enough to judge an album, and the reason I say this is because the albums that you rank the album against have gotten many more plays and a lot more time to grow, so I don't think it's that easy to say. :P
Again Dark Castle, you might have super abilities beyond everyone else, and be able to hear an album with 300 layers and hear every little detail in the first listen, but I don't think it's just about hearing the album and forming an opinion, because most opinions gets shaped over time, with many listens, and a lot of thinking.
I know a lot of people rank this album against what they consider some of Opeth's best albums, Blackwater Park, Still Life and Ghost Reveries for example.
While this is normal behavior, it should be noted that those albums have been around for a longer period of time, they have gotten more listens and more time to grow, it's not THAT unlikely that a big Opeth-fan has heard BWP about 50 times perhaps (maybe more), and starts comparing Heritage to BWP after 3-4 spins, but there is a possibility that Heritage is a much slower 'grower', and that after 50 spins of Heritage, it might have grown even more then BWP did. :P
And well, even though I don't say that albums HAS to grow, I do think that time and a lot of personal things affect one's look on everything (music included), and I do think far too many people dismiss albums too early, and that's not just about Heritage, it's sadly one of the negative things with many music-listeners today, there isn't the same kind of appreciation or patience with music.
Today it's very easy to dismiss an album after the first listen, but I think that 30 years ago, people didn't have a way of downloading, and when they got around to buying an album, I think they gave it more listens.
Not really pointing out anyone with this post, but this is just how I feel about it really. :P
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It can get so complicated, right? :lol
I guess my point is that there is power in complaining. A few years ago, I got into the habit of criticizing Systematic Chaos daily, and it got to the point where I was calling it "worthless" and rating it a 0/10. After a while, I realized that it's really not that bad. I don't particularly like it, but it's not the worst thing ever. The reason I was criticizing it so harshly was because I constantly complained about it, and somewhere along the line I convinced myself it was worse than it actually was.
Obviously that is an extreme example. It's just that there are a lot of people who have been criticizing Heritage after only one listen and they don't realize that if they continue to do that, it's going to be almost impossible for them to ever like it. You've got to give albums time and reserve judgement before you dismiss them. I apologize if I have put anyone in this category who does not belong, but I feel it needs to be said.
My question to you then is, if I don't like it, why does it *matter* if I'm jeopardizing my chances of ever liking it by talking about why I don't like it? It just didn't accomplish anything to me, and I'd give it a 6/10 as its not inherently bad, but lost and had so much potential to be better.
It doesn't matter at all.
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To be honest, my latest posts hasn't been about the dissing of Heritage, like others have said as well, I just think 1 or 2 listens aren't near enough to judge an album, and the reason I say this is because the albums that you rank the album against have gotten many more plays and a lot more time to grow, so I don't think it's that easy to say. :P
Again Dark Castle, you might have super abilities beyond everyone else, and be able to hear an album with 300 layers and hear every little detail in the first listen, but I don't think it's just about hearing the album and forming an opinion, because most opinions gets shaped over time, with many listens, and a lot of thinking.
I know a lot of people rank this album against what they consider some of Opeth's best albums, Blackwater Park, Still Life and Ghost Reveries for example.
While this is normal behavior, it should be noted that those albums have been around for a longer period of time, they have gotten more listens and more time to grow, it's not THAT unlikely that a big Opeth-fan has heard BWP about 50 times perhaps (maybe more), and starts comparing Heritage to BWP after 3-4 spins, but there is a possibility that Heritage is a much slower 'grower', and that after 50 spins of Heritage, it might have grown even more then BWP did. :P
And well, even though I don't say that albums HAS to grow, I do think that time and a lot of personal things affect one's look on everything (music included), and I do think far too many people dismiss albums too early, and that's not just about Heritage, it's sadly one of the negative things with many music-listeners today, there isn't the same kind of appreciation or patience with music.
Today it's very easy to dismiss an album after the first listen, but I think that 30 years ago, people didn't have a way of downloading, and when they got around to buying an album, I think they gave it more listens.
Not really pointing out anyone with this post, but this is just how I feel about it really. :P
I don't claim to have a super natural ability for hearing every layer because quite frankly you just don't. But if I don't like the overall sound of an album, why in the hell should I feel the need to listen to it 7-8 more times just to hear more of the little layers from it when it already doesn't do anything for me. I think I've gave some pretty fair personal critique, and if I think an album will grow on me, I'll listen to it again and see if anything changes my mind. You put it out that people don't actually listen to the music and just use to preoccupy themselves while doing other things.
EDIT: Also 50 spins? You kind of have to really have to like an album to listen to it that many times, and not just a slow grower.
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I think it depends.
If you're a fan of the band, then I think giving up after 1 listen is lame, because it's a band you really like, an album you have been anticipating for a long time, and why stop just because the first time wasn't OMG AWESOME?
If you're just a casual and don't really care for the band, then I don't think it matters too much really.
In the end it comes down to the passion the listener has for the band.
This being a DT-forum, I would say it's pretty crazy if one of the big DT-fans would say "ADTOE didn't click on the first listen, I won't listen to it again because it was meh", because I think many fans who really love the band, wants to listen more times and try to identify those 'great' tracks. :P
You don't seem that passionate about Opeth, and then I get it if you don't care about their new album.
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I'm a pretty big Opeth fan. And I don't like it. boom.
One doesn't have to like every album a favorite band of theirs comes out with. Oh, since I'm a massive Exodus fan, I better start liking Impact Is Imminent.
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I think it depends.
If you're a fan of the band, then I think giving up after 1 listen is lame, because it's a band you really like, an album you have been anticipating for a long time, and why stop just because the first time wasn't OMG AWESOME?
What if your initial reaction is very, very negative? Not just in a 'this is... okay I guess?' but in a 'I've taken dumps better than this album' type of reaction?
Even if it's my favorite band, I probably wouldn't listen to the album again if my reaction was that negative.
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I can't say, I am very open minded to music, and I have never ever experienced that kind of emotion.
If I would be restricted down to just liking Progressive Metal and Death Metal, then maybe I would have been furious and flamed Heritage for ages for being different, but honestly I love bands that move on.
And there are a few albums I disliked the first spins, but I tend to be very "lets give this a chance at least", and I've listened to some albums about 10-15 times before they clicked, so I'm not an easy quitter. ;)
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There is a significant difference between albums which feel simply "meh" to me at first listen, and albums which are like "this didn't impress me too much yet... but I'm intrigued and it may grow on me". Heritage was the former case. For contrast, with Blackwater Park I ALSO felt unimpressed at first, but I immediately felt it's likely to grow on me. I left it for a week or two, came back later, and it sucked me in completely. Different situation.
I totally understand where you're coming from, but a lot of times with music I think there is a potential for self-fulfilling prophecies.
So, what I mean by this is, when you say that Blackwater Park didn't impress you at first but you felt it would eventually, did it end up impressing you because your intuition was correct, or because by expressing that it would eventually impress you, it did?
I'm thinking the former, it really overwhelmed me at the first listen, but I didn't feel like I actually don't like it or have some serious issues with it - just that, I _really_ couldn't get into it on the very beginning. It was kind of a different first impression.
With Heritage it wasn't that I felt I can't grasp the album, I felt like what I'm hearing already doesn't really impress me. That's worse and more difficult.
However, what I have to say, is that with bands I really like, if there's an album I have trouble with, I WILL give it more chances and try to like it. As an example, Samael's previous album, "Above" was hardly possible to get through for me at the beginning but I decided "ok, fuck it, I WILL try to like it". After five or so listens, I felt I can now finally give my full opinion on the album, and I liked some of it.
Maybe I will truly like Heritage, I'm not saying I won't. Just saying my first impression really wasn't very good.
And also an important thing:
To be honest, my latest posts hasn't been about the dissing of Heritage, like others have said as well, I just think 1 or 2 listens aren't near enough to judge an album, and the reason I say this is because the albums that you rank the album against have gotten many more plays and a lot more time to grow, so I don't think it's that easy to say. :P
I'm not looking at Heritage from the perspective of the entire Opeth discography. Basically by removing growls and death metal riffs they instantly made the album incomparable to the others because it's totally different. I was simply listening to is an album of a band I really like and which I know is capable of creating an incredible dark but melancholic atmosphere. While it definitely is a dark album, I didn't feel too much of the atmosphere and it felt quite lifeless to me.
But again, nothing is final. It was the first listen, and for me the ABSOLUTE minimum of listens for an album to judge it is five. So, I'll leave it at this, and give my opinion again later.
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I can't say, I am very open minded to music, and I have never ever experienced that kind of emotion.
That only happened once with me (with a band that I was a big fan of at the time), with Megadeth's United Abominations. My reaction was... very negative and the few times I've listened to songs since then has not changed my initial opinion.
If I would be restricted down to just liking Progressive Metal and Death Metal, then maybe I would have been furious and flamed Heritage for ages for being different, but honestly I love bands that move on.
What does that have to do with anything? Can't the album just be bad/boring/uninspired on its own merits?
And there are a few albums I disliked the first spins, but I tend to be very "lets give this a chance at least", and I've listened to some albums about 10-15 times before they clicked, so I'm not an easy quitter. ;)
Yeah, I guess we're just different. I'll give an album that I'm indifferent on or that I sorta don't like more chances, but something I really, really don't like is unlikely to change after repeated listens. It'll just make me angry and/or bored.
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I haven't listened to it yet. I am waiting until it comes out. But the reviews are pretty negative. I can't be the judge of anything since I haven't listened to it but I am having a feeling that all the iffiness is coming from the fact that people are thinking this is going to sound too much like their other albums...Opeth is amazing but their albums always seem different but similar. Now they take a dive and people are like "wut?". but maybe I'm wrong. Give me 2 days and then I'll tell you if I feel my theory is close or totally off.
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Here in Sweden the reviews have mostly been good, but you should probably not take reviews that seriously. :P
Note that a big part of Opeth's fanbase criticized the album before it came out cause it wasn't metUUl enough, so you should probably just listen to it and form your own opinion.
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There's never really been a pattern in my own listening habits. Some albums are love at first sight (listen) while others take time before I warm up to them. It also depends on how "adventurous" I'm feeling when giving one of those albums another run around the park.
I don't think there's a formula or science within the appropriate amount of spins to decide whether or not an album is worth your time, and trying to concoct one seems like a waste of time. Life is short and should be spent listening to the music that you enjoy.
I'm not sure how relevant any of this is. I'm just sort of thinking out loud.
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Here in Sweden the reviews have mostly been good, but you should probably not take reviews that seriously. :P
Note that a big part of Opeth's fanbase criticized the album before it came out cause it wasn't metUUl enough, so you should probably just listen to it and form your own opinion.
For me the issue wasn't that they abandoned death metal, for me it's the "music sucks now, LET'S GO '70S" idea, which is completely cliche. PoS is also responsible for that and I was also sceptical about RS for this reason.
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I don't really like that concept either, seeing as I don't listen to much music pre-90's, but in this case I think it worked.
Opeth has always had a bit of a 70's thing in their influences, and in that sense it wasn't completely new for them.
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What I don't understand is why people are being so adamant about how the people who don't like it are doing something wrong. I've been listening to heavy metal and progressive music for over three decades, I don't need to learn how to listen to music. I just don't like Heritage.
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to everyone who, after listening to the album once, came to the internet to tell everyone about how "disappointed" or "unimpressed" they were. While it won't eliminate your chances, talking like that after one or two listens is going to greatly decrease the possibility of you liking something. The first listen or two of any album should always be used to familiarize, not judge, in my opinion. Learn how the songs go before you criticize them.
Going to the internet with my first impressions is nothing more than a way of summarising the feelings and thoughts that I'm having for the album already anyway. I'm no more or less likely to not turn and start liking the album if I go to the internet and post. If I was ever gonna turn, it's still just as likely to happen, IMO.
And you're acting as if people like or dislike an album, and form judgements about it, based on a conscious decision. When I listen to music, my feelings towards it and the impressions I get develop on their own. Why should I try to stop them from developing for the first two or three listens just because the material is fresh and I might form some early bias?
Honestly, you guys are coming across like appreciating music is this science, and if I'm gonna analyse an album 'correctly' and ensure my chances of liking it, I have to treat those early listens, and there simply MUST be a certain number, in a certain way to make sure I'm being as unbiased towards it as I can and, God forbid, not letting my initial feelings about the material get in the way.
I'd rather feel how I feel about an album based on however many listens I deem necessary and not approach listening to music with some rigid formula.
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No to mention that it's blatantly obvious that you guys are only spouting this bullshit because it's an album by Opeth, or PT, or Radiohead, in other words, one of the darlings of DTF, and you like it, and we don't. What about Brokencyde? Did you give them 8-10 listens, all the while sealing yourself off from your early impressions? What happened to the magic music-appreciating algorithm then?
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I really have no idea what you are talking about, the last thing I care about is how many people on DTF listens to something I do, and I tend to give every album I check out a minimum of 7-8 listens at least.
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And yet you seem very very intent on making sure everyone who doesn't like Heritage know that they're not giving the album a fair chance, no matter what the circumstances are.
I mean, I agree with your general philosophy that it takes a while before you can really form an opinion on an album. Or at least that's what works for me, BUT Fluffy has a point that NONE of us gave BrokeNCYDE more than one listen to "Freaxxx" before we decided they were the worst band ever. And for Dark Castle, he may have decided that, for now, one listen to Heritage is all he needs to know that he's not interested in what it has to offer, and that's perfectly fine.
Now, actually discussing Heritage, it is starting to grow on me. But to me, its like they took all the soft proggy parts of Watershed out of Watershed, and I do really miss the growls and metuhl. Still, there are plenty of good melodies in there, and I like the prominent bass.
Obligatory ranking:
Folklore
Nepenthe
Slither
I Feel the Dark
The Devil's Orchard
Haxprocess
Famine
The Lines in my Hand
Marrow of the Earth
Basically, really strong first half, Folklore, forgettable rest of the album.
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Famine is one of the best songs on the album. You fail.
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S'alright.
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I liked Folklore, I Feel The Dark, Famine and Marrow of the Earth by now. Have to listen to the others more to appreciate.
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I really have no idea what you are talking about, the last thing I care about is how many people on DTF listens to something I do, and I tend to give every album I check out a minimum of 7-8 listens at least.
How many times did you listen to St. Anger?? ;D
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Famine is one of the best songs on the album. You fail.
Ryan, you are doing that thing again. You know, that thing you do.
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I don't know why people are so unable to accept the fact that a hell of a lot of Opeth fans do not like this album. I'm looking at you, ToX and Zander :biggrin:
I've listened to the album like 3 times or so, and I've come away with very little about it I find enjoyable. Likewise, reaction not just here but all over the internet has been generally negative. I can't speak for all of us, but I'd like to think that most of us are not disappointed because record is "different", but because the record just isn't very good.
:(
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The record is great, I just think people were expecting them to crap out another Blackwater Park/Ghost Reveries/Watershed type album. I understand that's pretty much all they've ever done but seriously how many of those same type of albums can you have in one discography? It's pretty clear Akerfeldt was getting bored of that sound too.
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I wasn't expecting that and was totally stoked when I heard Opeth were going in a new direction. I just don't like the new album. It has nothing to do with me wanting another typical Opeth album, but even an average typical Opeth album would probably be more enjoyable to me than this honestly.
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Yeah well you're going to be begging for more Heritage when they do their electro-polka album.
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I wasn't expecting that and was totally stoked when I heard Opeth were going in a new direction. I just don't like the new album. It has nothing to do with me wanting another typical Opeth album, but even an average typical Opeth album would probably be more enjoyable to me than this honestly.
THIS.
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I don't know why people are so unable to accept the fact that a hell of a lot of Opeth fans do not like this album. I'm looking at you, ToX and Zander :biggrin:
I guess I haven't made myself clear about this: If you don't like Heritage, cool. I haven't heard it. It could be terrible.
What I'm bitching about is not that some people dislike Heritage. What I'm bitching about is that some people, after just one listen, came to the internet declaring their disappointment and how their minds were made. What I'm bitching about is people not giving the album a chance - intentionally or not.
Again, if you don't like Heritage, cool. I only care if you never gave it a chance, and even then, I don't care all that much. About as much as you can care about something on a forum, I guess.
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It seems like people are just posting their first reactions. I'm sure no-one's just going to listen to it once and never try again.
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I've listened to it a few times and my disappointment remains. I would love to give it another try a good bit of time from now, and perhaps it will resonate better then. If not, oh well.
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I wasn't expecting that and was totally stoked when I heard Opeth were going in a new direction. I just don't like the new album. It has nothing to do with me wanting another typical Opeth album, but even an average typical Opeth album would probably be more enjoyable to me than this honestly.
THIS.
This and I've given it three spins and I don't like it much more still. People saying people are just coming to post their first reactions really need to understand that they're being judgmental and not everyone has to like an album.
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I like it. It doesn't particularly flow as an album... that is, I could easily listen to any of the songs in any order, contrasted with ATDOE which I enjoy best listening in the order presented. I think I enjoyed it more initially; in subsequent spins I zone out a little.
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It seems like people are just posting their first reactions. I'm sure no-one's just going to listen to it once and never try again.
Excatly, theres nothing wrong with people posting their first listen experiences if they intend to listen to the album again. Maybe they should make a note - didn't like the first listen, will listen again a few times. I can never judge albums until 7-10 listens. Maybe I have a bad ear for listening to music, IDK.
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Song-rankings for me:
Famine
Nepenthe
I Feel the Dark
Häxprocess
Folklore
The Devil's Orchard
The Lines in my Hand
Slither
Heritage
Marrow of the Earth
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TOX, I completely agree with you and your general intention, but you realise you've created another self-fulfilling prophecy? By telling people that they should give the album more of a chance, they may well do so but they will want to still dislike the album to prove you wrong, so again the chance of it turning around is even lower. :lol
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TOX, I completely agree with you and your general intention, but you realise you've created another self-fulfilling prophecy? By telling people that they should give the album more of a chance, they may well do so but they will want to still dislike the album to prove you wrong, so again the chance of it turning around is even lower. :lol
Not used to seeing you don the tin-foil hat, man. Maybe people just geniunely don't like it, and this has nothing to do with people listening with the wrong frame of mind looking out for their e-peens?
But yeah, shoving an album down people's throats and then telling them they're listening wrong and second guessing their opinions when they don't immediately fall in love with it would probably cause a backlash where fans stop wanting to give the record honest chances and start to resent it.
Unfortunately, prog rock fans are always like that. Dream Theater is shunned by a lot of the metal world precisely because us crazy fans don't seem to be able to "let it go" when we find a like-minded music fan who doesn't share our love for DT. I'm thinking of that Rush documentary: if you want to know why Rush still aren't in the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame, all you've gotta to do is think back to all those zealous fans over the years who couldn't help but try and convert every music fan with a less than complimentary opinion of the band.
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Is this discussion still going on? Really?
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TOX, I completely agree with you and your general intention, but you realise you've created another self-fulfilling prophecy? By telling people that they should give the album more of a chance, they may well do so but they will want to still dislike the album to prove you wrong, so again the chance of it turning around is even lower. :lol
Not used to seeing you don the tin-foil hat, man. Maybe people just geniunely don't like it, and this has nothing to do with people listening with the wrong frame of mind looking out for their e-peens?
I never said otherwise and neither did TOX. :P
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has anyone heard the folk song by Kjell Hoglund that Haxprocess takes its name from? just listening to it now, its fucking lol, mikael has some bizarre influences
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TOX, I completely agree with you and your general intention, but you realise you've created another self-fulfilling prophecy? By telling people that they should give the album more of a chance, they may well do so but they will want to still dislike the album to prove you wrong, so again the chance of it turning around is even lower. :lol
Not used to seeing you don the tin-foil hat, man. Maybe people just geniunely don't like it, and this has nothing to do with people listening with the wrong frame of mind looking out for their e-peens?
I never said otherwise and neither did TOX. :P
You suggested people would refuse to give the album an honest chance just so they could prove others wrong on the internet. If that's not equal to "people not liking it just to look out for their e-peen," then there is something seriously wrong with my reading comprehension and I might as well just go kill myself now for being a failure.
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new Opeth gives me boners
BC
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Got my copy today, I'm up to Slither at the moment. It's odd.
I ordered from Omerch, and they promised a card to download the bonus tracks, and I don't see one. Anyone else in the same boat?
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This thread is crazy! :lol
I apologize if I have come across as condescending to anyone or their approach to listening. For some reason, I'm really fascinated right now with how mindsets affect our interpretation of what music's good and what's not, and I guess I just saw this thread as a golden opportunity to rant.
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has anyone heard the folk song by Kjell Hoglund that Haxprocess takes its name from? just listening to it now, its fucking lol, mikael has some bizarre influences
Listening now, LOL! :rollin Actually it's the first Häxprocess I'm hearing, as I wait until I have a physical copy of Heritage in my hands. I hope Opeth's Häxprocess is better!
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I don't know why people are so unable to accept the fact that a hell of a lot of Opeth fans do not like this album. I'm looking at you, ToX and Zander :biggrin:
I don't see how any of my posts in here could lead you to that conclusion. ???
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TOX, I completely agree with you and your general intention, but you realise you've created another self-fulfilling prophecy? By telling people that they should give the album more of a chance, they may well do so but they will want to still dislike the album to prove you wrong, so again the chance of it turning around is even lower. :lol
Not used to seeing you don the tin-foil hat, man. Maybe people just geniunely don't like it, and this has nothing to do with people listening with the wrong frame of mind looking out for their e-peens?
I never said otherwise and neither did TOX. :P
You suggested people would refuse to give the album an honest chance just so they could prove others wrong on the internet. If that's not equal to "people not liking it just to look out for their e-peen," then there is something seriously wrong with my reading comprehension and I might as well just go kill myself now for being a failure.
I never said anything about doing it consciously, although I can see that it may have come across that way. But what TOX was saying about self-fulfilling prophecies is a subconscious thing. As open-minded as I always am with things, I myself do this sometimes without meaning to, so it definitely happens. I certainly didn't mean to imply that people would deliberately be defiant for the sake of it, and I don't think TOX meant that either.
Anyway, bought the album today and on my first listen now. Absolutely fantastic so far!
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I don't know why people are so unable to accept the fact that a hell of a lot of Opeth fans do not like this album. I'm looking at you, ToX and Zander :biggrin:
I don't see how any of my posts in here could lead you to that conclusion. ???
Oops, I meant Zantera. lol.
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Just got the CD/DVD in the mail. I really like the packaging and all the photos! The holographic/3D cover is ridiculous! :lol
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I really loved the album. Some of the tracks in the middle are going to take some more listens because they were structurally quite... meandering? Not in a bad way, but it just meant they weren't immediately tangible or accessible. But the first few and last few songs were amazing.
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I really loved the album. Some of the tracks in the middle are going to take some more listens because they were structurally quite... meandering? Not in a bad way, but it just meant they weren't immediately tangible or accessible. But the first few and last few songs were amazing.
I've only listened three times so far and this is pretty close to how I feel. The songs that struck me right away were The Devil's Orchard, Slither, The Lines in My Hand, and Folklore.
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Just got the CD/DVD in the mail. I really like the packaging and all the photos! The holographic/3D cover is ridiculous! :lol
agreed. crazy stuff! such nice photos and packaging/photo on the front. really looking forward to watching the DVD.
just listening to the first track now! :D first thing that has struck me: very very well mastered. and the second track is just as good. incredible clarity/frequency. wow :hefdaddy
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Just got the CD/DVD in the mail. I really like the packaging and all the photos! The holographic/3D cover is ridiculous! :lol
agreed. crazy stuff! such nice photos and packaging/photo on the front. really looking forward to watching the DVD.
just listening to the first track now! :D first thing that has struck me: very very well mastered. and the second track is just as good. incredible clarity/frequency. wow :hefdaddy
still haven't gotten the physical copy for opeth and DT... Never ordering from roadrunner ever again
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has anyone heard the folk song by Kjell Hoglund that Haxprocess takes its name from? just listening to it now, its fucking lol, mikael has some bizarre influences
Listening now, LOL! :rollin Actually it's the first Häxprocess I'm hearing, as I wait until I have a physical copy of Heritage in my hands. I hope Opeth's Häxprocess is better!
Don't worry it is. It's one of the best on the album imo (after Folklore of course).
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I really loved the album.
Will you marry me? :heart
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I really loved the album.
Will you marry me? :heart
I can't, sorry.
But that doesn't mean we can't have some fun. :eyebrows:
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It's alright, my heart belongs to Ravenheart.
But we can still have some fun all three. :heart
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Even better!
Anyway, thoughts on some of the songs, from only one listen:
Heritage - really loved this as an opening track. Very jazzy vibe, particularly with the way the bass supports the piano. Definite atmosphere of sitting in a dark smoky jazz club.
The Devil's Orchard - heard this when it was first released, still a really excellent song.
Slither - very interesting track. I don't know whether the band have talked about the fact before, but in the album booklet it explains that the song is dedicated to the memory of Ronnie James Dio, and you can definitely tell, because the rhythms especially are so Dio-esque, but with the traditional fucked-up Opeth harmonies over the top. It's a bizarre juxtaposition, but it works surprisingly well, and the chorus is brilliant.
The middle few tracks are the ones that didn't really stand out, and kind of ran into each other, but I think they just require more listens.
Folklore - absolutely fantastic song, really loved the whole vibe.
Marrow of the Earth - perfect way to end the album.
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Anyone else looking forward to seeing the setlist for the first show of the Heritage tour tonight?
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Anyone else looking forward to seeing the setlist for the first show of the Heritage tour tonight?
YES
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Can't wait to pick up the new album tomorrow!! :metal
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Anyone else looking forward to seeing the setlist for the first show of the Heritage tour tonight?
YES
I hope Master's Apprentices is in there. Ghost of Perdition too.
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Second listen of Heritage even better than first so far. :hat
EDIT: My brother pointed out that the more rocking section in Folklore (6 minutes ish onwards) sounds like Be Prepared from the Lion King. Now that's all I can hear in that section. :lol
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I've still only listened to it once :police:
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Hey, does anyone know where I can get the special edition tomorrow?
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In my mailbox.
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C'mon brah.
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I really have no idea. Maybe check Best Buy or something, but idk if they'll have a the special edition.
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but idk if they'll have a the special edition.
HAHAHA WTF ARE YOU DRUNK TYPING!??
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he was being Italian
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so durnk yo
No srsly it's a typo.
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On the subject of beer, I'm drinking Guinness black lager right now. Not very good :sadpanda:
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Wut.
Guinness is the shit.
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Wut.
Guinness is the shit.
Have you had the black lager?
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Wut.
Guinness is the shit.
Have you had the black lager?
Tastes like that special lager they had a few years ago, "Black Lager Park"
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Wut.
Guinness is the shit.
Have you had the black lager?
I didn't realize it got any blacker than their regular one actually. I'm assuming you don't recommend it. :lol
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Wut.
Guinness is the shit.
Have you had the black lager?
I didn't realize it got any blacker than their regular one actually. I'm assuming you don't recommend it. :lol
Same color beer and froth roughly but these don't have the draft widget so they don't have that silky texture you may have become accustomed to. Also, it's bitterness has no sweetness to balance it whatsoever like the stout. It almost tastes rich but at the end of each the seemingly rich nuance fades out quickly and it tastes piss thin.
I'm starting to lose faith in Guinness. I loved their stout for years since it was the first good beer I ever got into back when I was 18 but I've never liked the non-draft yellowy-labeled one, the 250th anniversary one was crap and I'm starting to discover a lot of darker beers like black ales, porters, mocha porters, and oatmeal stouts that just have so much more going on for them.
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Seems like no more growling vocals live too...
Setlist from Tonights first North American show:
The Devil's Orchard
I Feel The Dark
Face of Melinda
Porcelain Heart
Nepenthe
Throat Of Winter
Credence
Patterns in the Ivy II
Slither
A Fair Judgement
Hex Omega
Folklore
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2011/the-palladium-worcester-ma-7bd0228c.html
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Seems like no more growling vocals live too...
Setlist from Tonights first North American show:
The Devil's Orchard
I Feel The Dark
Face of Melinda
Porcelain Heart
Nepenthe
Throat Of Winter
Credence
Patterns in the Ivy II
Slither
A Fair Judgement
Hex Omega
Folklore
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2011/the-palladium-worcester-ma-7bd0228c.html
Thats.....a little disappointing.
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Sooooo pumped they're playing AFJ.
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Seems like no more growling vocals live too...
Setlist from Tonights first North American show:
The Devil's Orchard
I Feel The Dark
Face of Melinda
Porcelain Heart
Nepenthe
Throat Of Winter
Credence
Patterns in the Ivy II
Slither
A Fair Judgement
Hex Omega
Folklore
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2011/the-palladium-worcester-ma-7bd0228c.html
Thats.....a little disappointing.
I swear if MÅ pulls that shit the only way I'll ever go see them again would be if Heritage is considerably better than anything else they've ever done by my standards. I understand if his voice for growling may be going but shit, go see Melissa Cross or something and learn how to growl in a non-damaging way.
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I forgot you still haven't heard the album yet.
It's really really really awesome.
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I forgot you still haven't heard the album yet.
It's really really really bland.
::)
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I forgot you still haven't heard the album yet.
It's really really really awesome.
I forgot you still haven't heard the album yet.
It's really really really bland.
::)
Hmmm...two dudes with whom I almost universally concur on all matters music with polarized opinions on a band we all love. This should be interesting. But seriously dudes I need quick fucking help with finding out who might be carrying the new album cuz I have to get my step-pepper to pick it up for me since I won't have a car till at least Christmas and the poor fella has enough shit on his plate since my mom is going into surgery on Wednesday morning.
I went to Target.com and it wasn't in the list of Opeth cds they carry. Bestbuy.com says "store pickup soon" but that may not be tomorrow. I fucking need a hard copy of this thing tomorrow damn you all!!!
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That's a really disappointing setlist, but I kinda assumed they would do something like this. Still, I had hoped for more of a balance between new Heritage and classic songs. Would be nice to see A Fair Judgement and Face of Melinda though and I'm sure The Devil's Orchard would be pretty rockin' live.
And Hex Omega and Porcelain Heart? Really? The two weakest on Watershed? That's just... mean. :(
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I've only listened to Heritage twice, but I'm really enjoying what I'm hearing. Great album, and different for Opeth, I like it.
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That's a really disappointing setlist, but I kinda assumed they would do something like this. Still, I had hoped for more of a balance between new Heritage and classic songs. Would be nice to see A Fair Judgement and Face of Melinda though and I'm sure The Devil's Orchard would be pretty rockin' live.
And Hex Omega and Porcelain Heart? Really? The two weakest on Watershed? That's just... mean. :(
I'm with ya wolfenstein. Hex is my second least favorite Opeth song even counting interludes like Prologue. Atonement remains the only bad song they've ever made in my opinion.
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It totally makes sense why they're doing this though. If they mixed some really really heavy songs in with Heritage ones it really wouldn't make sense.
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It totally makes sense why they're doing this though. If they mixed some really really heavy songs in with Heritage ones it really wouldn't make sense.
Yeah it would, Devin Townsend easily does it.
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Holy shit, that's a really poor setlist. wow. I'm almost glad that I can't go anymore...
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Hex Omega is amazing you fools.
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I hope thats not the setlist they'll play when they come to Aus...
still I'll be excited to see them regardless.
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Hex Omega is amazing you fools.
No it isn't. Go trade in your Kool-Aid points for new ears.
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No, YOU DO THAT.
I'm the king of comebacks.
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Holy shit, that's a really poor setlist. wow. I'm almost glad that I can't go anymore...
lol. Remember that nightmare you had awhile back?
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Coil, Heir Apparent, The Lotus Eater, Burden, Hessian Peel >>>>>>> Hex Omega, Porcelain Heart
They should play Coil and Burden on this tour if they are just sticking with clean vocals
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That's a really disappointing setlist, but I kinda assumed they would do something like this. Still, I had hoped for more of a balance between new Heritage and classic songs. Would be nice to see A Fair Judgement and Face of Melinda though and I'm sure The Devil's Orchard would be pretty rockin' live.
And Hex Omega and Porcelain Heart? Really? The two weakest on Watershed? That's just... mean. :(
I'm with ya wolfenstein. Hex is my second least favorite Opeth song even counting interludes like Prologue. Atonement remains the only bad song they've ever made in my opinion.
:|
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And Hex Omega and Porcelain Heart? Really? The two weakest on Watershed? That's just... mean. :(
I wasn't a big fan of Hex Omega til I saw it live. Then it became one of my favourites on the album.
Somewhat glad I saw Opeth a few years ago, if that setlist is meant to be representative of their live shows from now on. Although it is somewhat amusing to see MA trolling the shit out of those of his fanbase who aren't keen on Heritage.
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Cool setlist.
Not surprised over most of it being from Heritage, because that was pretty expected.
A Fair Judgement? SWEET. Has always been a top3 Opeth-song for me (together with Deliverance and The Drapery Falls probably), and if they play it live throughout the whole tour, I'll be happy!
Face of Melinda is just such an amazing live-song, the version on Roundhouse Tapes for example, so that is a song I'm also very psyched about seeing.
Credence is one of their more underrated songs IMO, and I really like it.
Hex Omega and Porcelain Heart might be my two favorites from Watershed, so really excited if they are going to play those!
Still haven't heard Throat of Winter though, I guess I should.
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That setlist is... fucking weird. I reckon they might get some boos from the UK when the encore arrives. People will be expecting Demon of the Fall or Deliverance.
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I understand if his voice for growling may be going but shit, go see Melissa Cross or something and learn how to growl in a non-damaging way.
He DOES growl in a non-damaging way, but after 20 years of growling it's clear that his voice isn't in the same condition that it used to be, say, 10 years ago. It's the same with clean singers: how many vocalists reach their peak near the age of 40? Not many...
On the setlist topic, I don't mind if they'll never make another album with growls again (especially if Mike doesn't feel like writing that stuff anymore), but I think they should keep at least a few songs with grunts in the setlist, if it's not bad for Mikael's health. So my opinion is that you don't have to please fans while writing music, but you should hear fans' wishes when you plan the setlists.
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Porcelain Heart is my favourite from Watershed. Hex Omega is pretty good but would be in the bottom two.
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I hope thats not the setlist they'll play when they come to Aus...
still I'll be excited to see them regardless.
Jirpo, what state do you live in?
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That setlist is... fucking weird. I reckon they might get some boos from the UK when the encore arrives. People will be expecting Demon of the Fall or Deliverance.
If people boo because they don't play one of those two songs from their entire career, those are pretty lame people. :lol
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I gotta say that I don't think bands should play songs from their latest album in the encore. IMO it's meant for the more popular songs from the bands' back-catalogue.
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I gotta say that I don't think bands should play songs from their latest album in the encore. IMO it's meant for the more popular songs from the bands' back-catalogue.
That however I can agree with.
I think the problem with playing new songs in the encore, is that encores are in most cases the classics, "fan"-songs, or just the perfect time to bring out something really unexpected, like a song they haven't played in ages.
With a new album, all of the songs sorta has the same 'status', it's too soon to tell which will become classics with time, and which of the songs that fans will be screaming for in 5 years, so playing a new song in the encore is pretty much just the band's own favorite or something like that.
Psyched about all the Heritage-stuff they played though, only sad that Famine isn't in the setlist. :/
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I hope thats not the setlist they'll play when they come to Aus...
still I'll be excited to see them regardless.
Jirpo, what state do you live in?
I live in Perth :)
I gotta say that I don't think bands should play songs from their latest album in the encore. IMO it's meant for the more popular songs from the bands' back-catalogue.
That setlist is... fucking weird. I reckon they might get some boos from the UK when the encore arrives. People will be expecting Demon of the Fall or Deliverance.
If people boo because they don't play one of those two songs from their entire career, those are pretty lame people. :lol
I agree with both of these.
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I love Opeth, and I'm sure they know this, but what they're doing right now is really bad for business. REALLY bad. Roadrunner must be pissed. :lol
Does anyone think this has anything to do with the fact Mikael is having trouble with his growls?
Also, I refuse to believe everyone in the band is cool with this.
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I love Opeth, and I'm sure they know this, but what they're doing right now is really bad for business. REALLY bad. Roadrunner must be pissed. :lol
Does anyone think this has anything to do with the fact Mikael is having trouble with his growls?
Also, I refuse to believe everyone in the band is cool with this.
Yeah, well one member already walked out and it's been no secret why.
Discussions about fans being closeminded to changes aside, a band can not just do a 180 twenty years in and expect fans to be completely cool with it. Especially if they're going to tour exclusively on that direction and not even bother bringing out the fan favorites.
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I think it depends on what kind of band and what kind of fans we are talking about.
Radiohead is a good example of a band that became a massive rock-band with 2 (or 3 albums, depending on how you look at it), and by then they were one of the biggest bands in the world, but they did a 180 with Kid A and changed rock with electronica, and have experimented ever since, and if anything, I'd say that their fans have steadily increased since.
Ulver is another band that seemed to do a 180 with every album they released, by now I think Ulver has managed to find their 'thing', and the last 4-5 albums or so has that 'sound', even though they sound very different.
As for Opeth, I'd say this change happened with Watershed.
Sure it's possible to argue about the fact that it has a few growl-moments here and there, but as a whole it was fairly different from earlier albums, and Heritage really just continues down that road.
As for the reason of Opeth's change in style, I don't know.
As an Opeth-fan, I think their whole sound (while being unique and awesome) got stale pretty fast.
It's no criticism against Opeth, because many bands find their thing and continue with it for 40 years, but by now I really wanted a change in their sound, and I can only imagine the band members who have (Mikael and Martin Mendez at least) played this kind of 'style' for 15-20 years, and after a while it probably becomes boring.
As for the other bandmembers being up for it, I think Mendez is pretty close to Mikael in this case, they have seemed to get along perfectly since Mendez joined, and they are really good friends.
Axe and Fredrik feels more like Metal-guys to me, but on the other hand they did join around Watershed, so the changes were already in progress really, and Mikael has said for years (since Watershed came out at least) that he was getting a bit tired of Metal, and a lot of things that comes with being in that genre, so again, this isn't just a 180 turn with Heritage, I feel like things have been turning since Watershed, maybe even before that.
As for the new guy (keyboard-player, forgot the name), he joined on this album, and I can't really see him complain much right now.
As for Roadrunner, sure they are more of a Metal-label, but if they can attract a band like Rush (who aren't really metal at all), I don't think Opeth will have a problem with being less of that.
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That setlist is sooooooooo good. I'm so excited for my show now (two days!!)
BC
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Holy shit, that's a really poor setlist. wow. I'm almost glad that I can't go anymore...
lol. Remember that nightmare you had awhile back?
....Yes :(
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LOVE the album. Sounds like they might have smoked bunches of weed during the process of making it. Very moody
and laid back. I don't mind this direction at all. I have all the growls and death metal I need in my collection. Time
to move on.
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After one listen: Heritage might just be their best album yet. I'll give it more time to grow on me but so far it's a fantastic album.
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I think it depends on what kind of band and what kind of fans we are talking about.
Radiohead is a good example of a band that became a massive rock-band with 2 (or 3 albums, depending on how you look at it), and by then they were one of the biggest bands in the world, but they did a 180 with Kid A and changed rock with electronica, and have experimented ever since, and if anything, I'd say that their fans have steadily increased since.
Ulver is another band that seemed to do a 180 with every album they released, by now I think Ulver has managed to find their 'thing', and the last 4-5 albums or so has that 'sound', even though they sound very different.
As for Opeth, I'd say this change happened with Watershed.
Sure it's possible to argue about the fact that it has a few growl-moments here and there, but as a whole it was fairly different from earlier albums, and Heritage really just continues down that road.
As for the reason of Opeth's change in style, I don't know.
As an Opeth-fan, I think their whole sound (while being unique and awesome) got stale pretty fast.
It's no criticism against Opeth, because many bands find their thing and continue with it for 40 years, but by now I really wanted a change in their sound, and I can only imagine the band members who have (Mikael and Martin Mendez at least) played this kind of 'style' for 15-20 years, and after a while it probably becomes boring.
As for the other bandmembers being up for it, I think Mendez is pretty close to Mikael in this case, they have seemed to get along perfectly since Mendez joined, and they are really good friends.
Axe and Fredrik feels more like Metal-guys to me, but on the other hand they did join around Watershed, so the changes were already in progress really, and Mikael has said for years (since Watershed came out at least) that he was getting a bit tired of Metal, and a lot of things that comes with being in that genre, so again, this isn't just a 180 turn with Heritage, I feel like things have been turning since Watershed, maybe even before that.
As for the new guy (keyboard-player, forgot the name), he joined on this album, and I can't really see him complain much right now.
As for Roadrunner, sure they are more of a Metal-label, but if they can attract a band like Rush (who aren't really metal at all), I don't think Opeth will have a problem with being less of that.
I'd have to disagree with Watershed, a lot of that was heavy growling, with breathing spaces placed here and there.
Roadrunner still could become wary, as this was as you said a pretty 180 turn and it's pretty divided so far.
As for the setlist, even if your new album is no growls, you could at least pick a growl song or two for your fanbase, or if no growls, some of your better ones.
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First listen and I absolutely love it. Great work, didn't miss the growls at all.
One of the things which stands out for me is the excellent mix/production values.
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First listen and I absolutely love it. Great work, didn't miss the growls at all.
One of the things which stands out for me is the excellent mix/production values.
:tup :tup
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I'll be at the Philly show this Friday
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People keep mentioning Mikael having "trouble" with his growls, but there was a recent interview that explained that. It was just the switch to in-ear monitors that was throwing him off and he corrected the issue.
Unless there's something else I'm missing?
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Patterns in the Ivy II
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^^^ Basically my face when I saw AFJ.
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Everything people are saying about Opeth now is why I dislike some fans, and why metal fans are among the worst.
This tour is the Heritage tour, so why should they not play a lot of songs from that album. Also, adding in other songs that they haven't played is pretty cool as I enjoy when bands don't play the favorites.
Haven't heard Heritage yet, but I think I'll enjoy it as I'm not into Opeth as much as I was. Don't know why, guess I got tired of the growl heavy acoustic style they've been doing.
Also, if they were coming to my side of town, Id like to see Nectar.
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I agree with pretty much all you said.
But some people are just crazeh.
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Everything people are saying about Opeth now is why I dislike some fans, and why metal fans are among the worst.
This tour is the Heritage tour, so why should they not play a lot of songs from that album. Also, adding in other songs that they haven't played is pretty cool as I enjoy when bands don't play the favorites.
Haven't heard Heritage yet, but I think I'll enjoy it as I'm not into Opeth as much as I was. Don't know why, guess I got tired of the growl heavy acoustic style they've been doing.
Also, if they were coming to my side of town, Id like to see Nectar.
Uhm..Even on the Crack the Skye tour, even though Mastodon played CtS in its completion, they still played some older songs for fans. Children of Bodom on their Relentless tour still played a varied set, with 3 songs from the new album. Hell I could go on, but its not exactly foreign that bands play their older songs on tour or popular songs(there's a reason why certain songs are popular as they're usually really fucking good). Don't group me in with the "undeserving fanbase" because I'm just laying down my opinion as I see it. :L
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This tour is the Heritage tour, so why should they not play a lot of songs from that album. Also, adding in other songs that they haven't played is pretty cool as I enjoy when bands don't play the favorites.
Oftentimes on past tours it seems like they'd only play one or two songs from the new album. This time the set is dominated by Heritage.
I'm kinda disappointed with the set. Yeah they picked probably the best songs off Heritage, yes, they're playing FoM, AFJ, Patterns II, and Credence, but they're also playing Porcelain Heart (good song but worst one off Watershed) and tToW, which isn't that great. I just wish there was a growly song or two in the set. Even one that wasn't dominated by growls but still had them, like The Lotus Eater or Drapery Falls. I'm sure I'll still enjoy myself, but my excitement level has significantly dropped knowing that a huge number of fan favorite songs are being ignored.
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Looking at Setlist.fm they played The Grand Conjuration on the 2nd, so Maybe they are gonna switch out songs.
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So glad I didn't drop the money to see this. I guess Mikael really hates his fanbase.
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I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
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It makes me sad that apparently old Opeth is essentially dead, regardless of how good the new direction is. :-\
I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
*rolls eyes*
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I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
Indeed. Who are we to get used to a certain style and then get upset when it completely changes direction 20 years into its career.
What pricks we are.
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Looking at Setlist.fm they played The Grand Conjuration on the 2nd, so Maybe they are gonna switch out songs.
That was for a festival date though. They also played Masters Apprentices, The Drapery Falls, and The Lotus Eater on a bunch of festival dates. I don't think they have a history of switching songs much, do they? I mean, I watched one of the concert streams, the growls sounded freaking awesome. Mikael can definitely do them. I guess he just doesn't want to on this tour, which makes me really sad.
I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
Or the minority shouldn't act so high-and-mighty because some fans are understandably disappointed.
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I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
Indeed. Who are we to get used to a certain style and then get upset when it completely changes direction 20 years into its career.
What pricks we are.
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Yeah, if only all bands released the same album 20 times throughout their career, then everyone would be happy. :(
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Yeah, if only all bands released the same album 20 times throughout their career, then everyone would be happy. :(
You is one silly dude.
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Yeah, if only all bands released the same album 20 times throughout their career, then everyone would be happy. :(
You clearly have no idea what we're saying.
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I'm really surprised by the reactions of some fans. I won't go to the lengths that Zantera is, but it does seem at least a little unwarranted. The band has done this before; it's called Damnation. Just because they released one album in a completely different style doesn't mean they can't go back. I actually am pretty sure that they will.
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It pretty much sounds like the normal whine when a band wants to change their sound, instead of doing their old boring thing that we have already heard 500 times. :P
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Yeah, if only all bands released the same album 20 times throughout their career, then everyone would be happy. :(
No one's saying that. I think most people here are fine with experiments in Opeth's sound. There aren't many people here who hate Heritage for whatever reason. After another listen or two I'm starting to warm up to it more. There is clearly disappointment that they've forsaken their core sound, which won them so many fans in the first place, in the live show.
Maybe you should stop being so condescending to those who disagree with you. Maybe then we all really would be happy.
I'm really surprised by the reactions of some fans. I won't go to the lengths that Zantera is, but it does seem at least a little unwarranted. The band has done this before; it's called Damnation. Just because they released one album in a completely different style doesn't mean they can't go back. I actually am pretty sure that they will.
The difference is that Damnation sounds like an album full of ballads that would have not been out of place on Blackwater Park or any of those other albums. It still sounded like Opeth. Heritage is much more of a shock to the system than Damnation is, I think, which may be why its getting a more negative reaction. On this forum though there doesn't seem to be much hate.
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I'm really surprised by the reactions of some fans. I won't go to the lengths that Zantera is, but it does seem at least a little unwarranted. The band has done this before; it's called Damnation. Just because they released one album in a completely different style doesn't mean they can't go back. I actually am pretty sure that they will.
Damnation kept my interest. Like I've said countless times, it just sounds lost and directionless and never climaxes to anything.
Zantera- Please shut the fuck up. You really have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.
EDIT: Going by your logic I should really whine and hate CtS by Mastodon, but its my favorite album from them.
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Matt is winning this thread.
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Zantera- Please shut the fuck up. You really have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.
I'll probably get a warning or something for quoting and agreeing with this, but please Zantera just stop.
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You people are taking things way too seriously.
In short words, I agree pretty much with what Ryan said.
This still sounds like Opeth, and some people make it sound like they released a Trance album or something, it's still progressive, it still has a lot of acoustic guitars, it still sounds Opeth.
In the end, I'm just pretty surprised over the reactions, Opeth's fanbase is nowhere near as open-minded as I thought they would be.
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Zantera - I have agreed with a lot of your general points in this thread, but saying that fans need to grow up for wanting Opeth to play their old material is ridiculous.
When I go to any concert, I want the best show imaginable. I want the biggest bang for my buck. The setlist they're offering right now is not the best show imaginable nor will it give me the biggest bang for my buck. Furthermore, I have never seen Opeth live. Most people only see them once a cycle. No one has seen any of their songs 500 times. Most people have seen each song a couple of times max.
I'm as open-minded as the next guy, but there's a difference between being open-minded and being actively against what is familiar, and sometimes it sounds like you've crossed the line.
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I get your point, and I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but if they were to play what would be the 'best' show, and by that I mean what fans would want to hear, they would play BWP in full, and a few other classic songs. :P
Judging by the reactions by people here, nothing from Heritage would have been played at all.
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I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
*rolls eyes*
Interesting that you rolled your eyes at this but not at Justin's comment which was at least as ridiculous.
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I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
*rolls eyes*
Interesting that you rolled your eyes at this but not at Justin's comment which was at least as ridiculous.
So true. Mikael obviously does not hate his fanbase.
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Well, okay, not his whole fanbase.
But he really hates me. Why else would he structure his setlist that way?
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Because he can and did. Yeah, looks like the only way I'll hear Heritage is by a friend.
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You people are taking things way too seriously.
In short words, I agree pretty much with what Ryan said.
This still sounds like Opeth, and some people make it sound like they released a Trance album or something, it's still progressive, it still has a lot of acoustic guitars, it still sounds Opeth.
In the end, I'm just pretty surprised over the reactions, Opeth's fanbase is nowhere near as open-minded as I thought they would be.
I agree that Opeth's sound is still prevalent on Heritage. That much has been clear from the beginning. But its a lot more shocking to release a 70s-style prog album than an album of "cold" ballads.
Again, if you weren't being so condescending towards people who didn't like the album, or are disappointed with the lack of "classic" Opeth songs in the setlist, or made it very clear that you were being sarcastic (wit usually helps) then maybe people wouldn't be telling you to stop posting.
I agree with TOX, having never seen Opeth live either, that this is probably the least bang for my buck I'll ever get out of a concert.
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I don't think he hates anyone. :lol
As Ben_Jamin said earlier, new album = kinda obvious that most of the setlist revolves around that, even if that hasn't been the case with earlier Opeth-albums, as a general thing it is pretty common.
A bit surprised that there's no growl-song in the set, sure it might change, and I did suspect that it would be the case before the tour started, but still... 90% of their discography gone there. :/
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I don't think he hates anyone. :lol
Nah he definitely hates Justin. But, I mean, that's totally understandable.
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I don't think he hates anyone. :lol
Nah he definitely hates Justin. But, I mean, that's totally understandable.
Who doesn't hate that guy?
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After a few listens to Heritage... it most definitely retains the Opeth sound. Yes, it's quieter, and there are less "in your face" sections. And there's less distortion in the guitar tone. And the drums sound different. But the riffs are undeniably Opeth, and many of them sound as if they could've come straight from various Opeth albums of the last 10 years. I don't think it's nearly as much of a departure as some claim.
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As I said before, I've only listened to Heritage once, but I really enjoyed it. However, the simple fact is Opeth was the first metal band (not just death metal, but metal in general) I got into, and they've been my favorite metal band since then. I love virtually all of their albums, and I've been blown away all three times I've seen them live. Even if their new direction turns out to be the greatest thing in the history of music, it still makes me sad that their old style is gone, as it was wonderful, and moreover there was nothing else really like it. And now it's looking like I won't even be able to see it live again. :sadpanda:
I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
*rolls eyes*
Interesting that you rolled your eyes at this but not at Justin's comment which was at least as ridiculous.
Because one was just absurd, the other was a pretty clear jab at many people in this thread.
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OPETH SOLD OUT!!!!11!!!1!!one!!!1!!
IT'S JUST A SHITTY JETHRO TULL RIPOFF!!!!
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I don't think he hates anyone. :lol
Nah he definitely hates Justin. But, I mean, that's totally understandable.
Who doesn't hate that guy?
I know. I'm such an asshole.
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Obviously it's sad IF Opeth have abandonded their old sound for good, but on the other hand, we can't really know at this point.
Sure Mikael seems tired of Death Metal now, but maybe on the next album he will be psyched about it again.
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As I said before, I've only listened to Heritage once, but I really enjoyed it. However, the simple fact is Opeth was the first metal band (not just death metal, but metal in general) I got into, and they've been my favorite metal band since then. I love virtually all of their albums, and I've been blown away all three times I've seen them live. Even if their new direction turns out to be the greatest thing in the history of music, it still makes me sad that their old style is gone, as it was wonderful, and moreover there was nothing else really like it. And now it's looking like I won't even be able to see it live again. :sadpanda:
Which makes me sadder because this will be my first time seeing them live.
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Has anybody been able to download the bonus tracks from Roadrunner.com, the url from that slip of paper is coming up invalid. :huh:
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Also, about the amount of Heritage songs, they are shorter in length then other albums songs. Plus how long is the set? That plays a factor especially if they wanted to give the fans more songs and include Heritage songs they feel like playing.
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I don't think he hates anyone. :lol
Nah he definitely hates Justin. But, I mean, that's totally understandable.
Who doesn't hate that guy?
I know. I'm such an asshole.
Personal attack, bant.
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I don't think he hates anyone. :lol
Nah he definitely hates Justin. But, I mean, that's totally understandable.
Who doesn't hate that guy?
I know. I'm such an asshole.
Personal attack, bant.
You forgot to warn Ryan. What's wrong with you?
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Nick is the only one allowed to warn me. :P
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Nick is the only one allowed to warn me. :P
That's right. I forgot.
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Sorry, had to post this. As I love Atlas Moth and its Opeth related somewhat.
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Heritage isn't a metal album. That quote makes no sense.
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Heritage isn't a metal album. That quote makes no sense.
Opeth is still classified as a metal band..
and as such they get labelled under metal.
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Heritage isn't a metal album. That quote makes no sense.
Honestly, why do you still do this?
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As I said before, I've only listened to Heritage once, but I really enjoyed it. However, the simple fact is Opeth was the first metal band (not just death metal, but metal in general) I got into, and they've been my favorite metal band since then. I love virtually all of their albums, and I've been blown away all three times I've seen them live. Even if their new direction turns out to be the greatest thing in the history of music, it still makes me sad that their old style is gone, as it was wonderful, and moreover there was nothing else really like it. And now it's looking like I won't even be able to see it live again. :sadpanda:
Which makes me sadder because this will be my first time seeing them live.
Likewise. A Fair Judgment is the only song in that set that I would consider a favorite. And I have a ton of favorites.
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I don't understand the hate for the album, honestly.
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I don't understand the hate for the album, honestly.
If you care to read a few pages back, or even recently you'll see clearly stated opinions as to why and maybe we can go from there?
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Heritage....that's the one with a bunch of power chords and boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
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Heritage....that's the one with a bunch of power chords and boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
:rollin :rollin
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Heritage....that's the one with a bunch of power chords and boringly harsh vocals, isn't it?
:rollin
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I don't understand the hate for the album, honestly.
If you care to read a few pages back, or even recently you'll see clearly stated opinions as to why and maybe we can go from there?
The only thing I understand is that some people would've like a more metal album because to me it still sounds like Opeth and the songwriting is excellent. But hey, whatever man! :tup
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I don't understand the hate for the album, honestly.
If you care to read a few pages back, or even recently you'll see clearly stated opinions as to why and maybe we can go from there?
The only thing I understand is that some people would've like a more metal album because to me it still sounds like Opeth and the songwriting is excellent. But hey, whatever man! :tup
I actually really enjoy the first three tracks, but from there it loses focus and just plods along at a miserable pace. And its not a metal factor for me, even though I'm primarily a metal head (just today I infact exploded in orgsm to new Wormrot, Atlas Moth, and Rwake) I also listen to alternative, indie, folk, sooo its not like I'm saying "ITZ NOT METUL ENUFF" Just not a captivating piece of work IMO
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Well it is for me. So I guess opinions :P
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Has anybody been able to download the bonus tracks from Roadrunner.com, the url from that slip of paper is coming up invalid. :huh:
I've been having the same problem. Anyone know what the deal is with that?
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My main problem is just the songwriting - everything I have heard of Steven Wilson's 1970s prog double album seems to be far stronger than most of Heritage, despite him saying they were closely related.
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Got the album today and heard it twice. This album conveys a very unique atmosphere that I had never heard before. However, as a whole, I think the album needed some heavier songs to come out, or flow from, the calmer tunes. Overall, it just feels as if there is no climax, just an intro, a constant and a solid outro. That is not to say the album is bad though, Iam really digging the opening track, The Devil's Orchard and the three final tracks.
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Seeing the setlist gave me completely mixed feelings.
On one hand... no heavy songs?
On the other... Porcelain Heart.
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I'm so glad a waited for the album to come out to hear it. It has absolutely amazing artwork, and I really feel like I'm being prepared for an experience.*
*I know, I know. I should be prepared to let down. Ha Ha.
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Seeing the setlist gave me completely mixed feelings.
On one hand... no heavy songs?
On the other... Porcelain Heart.
And Patterns II, and A Fair Judgement.
I'm pretty sure they're doing it cause mikael has been having issues with his growling.
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Seeing the setlist gave me completely mixed feelings.
On one hand... no heavy songs?
On the other... Porcelain Heart.
And Patterns II, and A Fair Judgement.
I'm pretty sure they're doing it cause mikael has been having issues with his growling.
No, it turned out that the issues you're talking about were actually just issues with in-ear monitoring. Mikael said in an interview that he was compensating for the monitoring, and therefore sounded different, and that they've fixed it now. IIRC, his growls sound different (i.e. back to normal) on the very recent shows with the new keyboard player.
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Videos of the festival dates this year prove you wrong. Also Mikael himself. He mentioned something about switching to in-ear monitors and that messed up his perception of how he sounded, IIRC.
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Organising a trip down to Manchester to see them this November is bloody confusing. My head hurts. Ow.
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I have so far heard the first five tracks. They're all amazing!
Edit: First seven tracks now. The only song so far that I was not able to wrap my head around at all one listen around was "Famine". Like... I literally have no idea what just happened. :lol
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I have so far heard the first five tracks. They're all amazing!
Great that you are enjoying it! :heart
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Videos of the festival dates this year prove you wrong. Also Mikael himself. He mentioned something about switching to in-ear monitors and that messed up his perception of how he sounded, IIRC.
To in-ear monitors? What was he using before? O_o
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Videos of the festival dates this year prove you wrong. Also Mikael himself. He mentioned something about switching to in-ear monitors and that messed up his perception of how he sounded, IIRC.
To in-ear monitors? What was he using before? O_o
...regular monitors?
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How would that isolate properly at all? Musicians need to protect their hearing too.
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That setlist is honestly EXTREMELY disappointing. It's like Lamentations, but without the contrasting second set. What bothers me is that Opeth made a bold move already with this new album, why do it with the live performances? Writing music is something the band should have 100% free reign over. The touring should be about the fans, as well as the fans supporting the band. But to have a shit ton of people in the metal crowd pay good money to go to a show they are more than likely going to be disappointed by, is not a bold move. It's beyond bold. It's kind of idiotic if you ask me.
I'm sorry, but I'm just really not okay with their decisions on the setlist.
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How would that isolate properly at all? Musicians need to protect their hearing too.
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Um, we set up the monitors at our shows facing whoever is playing, as they need to hear how they're playing too. Thats what a lot of places do.
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How would that isolate properly at all? Musicians need to protect their hearing too.
What do you think musicians used prior to the last five or (maybe) ten years?
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Thinking more about the setlist, I REALLY dislike the idea.
I'm also for being a non-conformist and interesting, surprising setlists (DT setlist this summer had like two uber-popular songs, the rest ranged from "liked" to "surprising"), but this crosses the line a very long way. As far as I know they hadn't even announced it earlier that it's going to be a no-growls tour which is an absolute MUST in such situation. I've nothing against playing a lot from Heritage since it's normal bands play a lot of songs from their new album on tour, but I thought it's going to be a mix of different songs. And this is... weird, to say the least.
I can say it's totally successful when looked at as trolling, but looking seriously, sorry no. And it reeks of ego attitude in my opinion.
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That setlist is honestly EXTREMELY disappointing. It's like Lamentations, but without the contrasting second set. What bothers me is that Opeth made a bold move already with this new album, why do it with the live performances? Writing music is something the band should have 100% free reign over. The touring should be about the fans, as well as the fans supporting the band. But to have a shit ton of people in the metal crowd pay good money to go to a show they are more than likely going to be disappointed by, is not a bold move. It's beyond bold. It's kind of idiotic if you ask me.
I'm sorry, but I'm just really not okay with their decisions on the setlist.
Well to be fair things like AFJ and FoM are fan favourites... but yeah it's a bit lame now you say that. But then if you were in a band and lost interest in death metal, would you still play the old songs?
(I do still hope that Mikael will get back on the death metal bandwagon for the next album)
How would that isolate properly at all? Musicians need to protect their hearing too.
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Um, we set up the monitors at our shows facing whoever is playing, as they need to hear how they're playing too. Thats what a lot of places do.
Well if I can afford stage-quality in ears, I think Opeth members can.
How would that isolate properly at all? Musicians need to protect their hearing too.
What do you think musicians used prior to the last five or (maybe) ten years?
Well exactly, it took that long? I'd jump right on that bandwagon.
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That setlist is honestly EXTREMELY disappointing. It's like Lamentations, but without the contrasting second set. What bothers me is that Opeth made a bold move already with this new album, why do it with the live performances? Writing music is something the band should have 100% free reign over. The touring should be about the fans, as well as the fans supporting the band. But to have a shit ton of people in the metal crowd pay good money to go to a show they are more than likely going to be disappointed by, is not a bold move. It's beyond bold. It's kind of idiotic if you ask me.
I'm sorry, but I'm just really not okay with their decisions on the setlist.
100% agreed. Alex, I couldn't have said it better if I tried.
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Boxset arrived :biggrin:
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Boxset arrived :biggrin:
pics? how is the surround sound, packaging etc?
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I wish they did 2 sets like Lamentations
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Folklore is such a great song
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Folklore is such a great song
Agreed. My favorite on the album
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Alex you're just being a crybaby because you want Opeth to make/play Blackwater Park all the time forever and can't handle a change in a band's sound. Grow up.
:neverusethis:
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Ive listened up to Folklore on Heritage, and so far its been phenomenal. It sounds like slower, jazzier Opeth. They could play similiar music for the setlist and come out for the encore and play drapery falls and The Moor, and I would be a happy customer..in 8 days
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So, after finally listening to it for the first time, I can say that I like it, but I don't love it. It's got some interesting parts and some boring parts. I definitely see what people mean when they call it background music. The parts that aren't "quiet" are really cool. Mendez shines throughout this album; I was very impressed with his performance. The Devil's Orchard is the clear standout, but that's probably just because I'd heard it multiple times before now.
Right now, I almost certainly like Watershed more. But I can see this album growing on me after repeated listens. It's far from a bad album. I'm comfortable with the style change.
I just hope this tour is the only one that's growls-free.
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I've now listened to the whole album. A few songs are going to need a lot more listens but... I'm actually kind of shocked so many people hate it, especially because it's "meandering". It's equally "meandering" - maybe even less - than other Opeth albums, it's just that when the song changes, it's not going from 1st gear to 5th gear or vice versa; it's staying in 3rd.
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I've now listened to the whole album. A few songs are going to need a lot more listens but... I'm actually kind of shocked so many people hate it, especially because it's "meandering". It's equally "meandering" - maybe even less - than other Opeth albums, it's just that when the song changes, it's not going from 1st gear to 5th gear or vice versa; it's staying in 3rd.
Nobody is saying they hate it. I gave it a 6/10 because there's 3-4 good songs, but the rest is just aimless..
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I've now listened to the whole album. A few songs are going to need a lot more listens but... I'm actually kind of shocked so many people hate it, especially because it's "meandering". It's equally "meandering" - maybe even less - than other Opeth albums, it's just that when the song changes, it's not going from 1st gear to 5th gear or vice versa; it's staying in 3rd.
Nobody is saying they hate it. I gave it a 6/10 because there's 3-4 good songs, but the rest is just aimless..
Didn't you say you only like the first 3 - 4 songs though? If your reason for not liking the rest of the songs is because they're "aimless", then I simply don't understand where you're coming from, because the last three songs on the album are less "aimless" than the first 3 - 4 songs.
I don't know. I guess I just disagree with some people about the album to such a degree we can't even hope to understand each other. Oh, well! You win some and you lose some! I'm happy I love it.
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I've now listened to the whole album. A few songs are going to need a lot more listens but... I'm actually kind of shocked so many people hate it, especially because it's "meandering". It's equally "meandering" - maybe even less - than other Opeth albums, it's just that when the song changes, it's not going from 1st gear to 5th gear or vice versa; it's staying in 3rd.
Nobody is saying they hate it. I gave it a 6/10 because there's 3-4 good songs, but the rest is just aimless..
Didn't you say you only like the first 3 - 4 songs though? If your reason for not liking the rest of the songs is because they're "aimless", then I simply don't understand where you're coming from, because the last three songs on the album are less "aimless" than the first 3 - 4 songs.
I don't know. I guess I just disagree with some people about the album to such a degree we can't even hope to understand each other. Oh, well! You win some and you lose some! I'm happy I love it.
Well it's nice and all that you love it, but explain to me how The Devil's Orchard and Slither are aimless, and actually Folklore is the other song I like. So eyeh.
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(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/107.jpg)
Also, I preordered The Hunter's special edition at F.Y.E. while I was there :metal
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(https://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc55/black_floyd_2007/107.jpg)
Also, I preordered The Hunter's special edition at F.Y.E. while I was there :metal
:metal
You look like a dude I'd sit and to metal with.
Also, in all honesty, I'll most likely pick Heritage up, from a local record store when its used and much cheaper.
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I've now listened to the whole album. A few songs are going to need a lot more listens but... I'm actually kind of shocked so many people hate it, especially because it's "meandering". It's equally "meandering" - maybe even less - than other Opeth albums, it's just that when the song changes, it's not going from 1st gear to 5th gear or vice versa; it's staying in 3rd.
Nobody is saying they hate it. I gave it a 6/10 because there's 3-4 good songs, but the rest is just aimless..
Didn't you say you only like the first 3 - 4 songs though? If your reason for not liking the rest of the songs is because they're "aimless", then I simply don't understand where you're coming from, because the last three songs on the album are less "aimless" than the first 3 - 4 songs.
I don't know. I guess I just disagree with some people about the album to such a degree we can't even hope to understand each other. Oh, well! You win some and you lose some! I'm happy I love it.
Well it's nice and all that you love it, but explain to me how The Devil's Orchard and Slither are aimless, and actually Folklore is the other song I like. So eyeh.
I don't want to turn this discussion into a research paper where I give an operational definition to "aimless" and then break down why some songs are and some songs are not. I just don't think calling the album "aimless" is a legitimate criticism, especially if you like other Opeth albums, which are equally if not more "aimless".
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I'd say it's more likely that the majority of the fanbase needs to grow up. :lol
Dude, people have called you out so many times on how pretentious these kinda statements make you seem and yet you keep going. Why, man? Why?
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I've now listened to the whole album. A few songs are going to need a lot more listens but... I'm actually kind of shocked so many people hate it, especially because it's "meandering". It's equally "meandering" - maybe even less - than other Opeth albums, it's just that when the song changes, it's not going from 1st gear to 5th gear or vice versa; it's staying in 3rd.
Nobody is saying they hate it. I gave it a 6/10 because there's 3-4 good songs, but the rest is just aimless..
Didn't you say you only like the first 3 - 4 songs though? If your reason for not liking the rest of the songs is because they're "aimless", then I simply don't understand where you're coming from, because the last three songs on the album are less "aimless" than the first 3 - 4 songs.
I don't know. I guess I just disagree with some people about the album to such a degree we can't even hope to understand each other. Oh, well! You win some and you lose some! I'm happy I love it.
Well it's nice and all that you love it, but explain to me how The Devil's Orchard and Slither are aimless, and actually Folklore is the other song I like. So eyeh.
I don't want to turn this discussion into a research paper where I give an operational definition to "aimless" and then break down why some songs are and some songs are not. I just don't think calling the album "aimless" is a legitimate criticism, especially if you like other Opeth albums, which are equally if not more "aimless".
Aimless in that it takes my interest nowhere, which is a major difference from Opeth's other softer albums, as they take me places sonically
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Boxset arrived :biggrin:
pics? how is the surround sound, packaging etc?
I'm too lazy for pics. I don't think it was worth $85 as far as what I got, but I'm all for supporting the band as much as possible. Surround sound mix is good, not great because nothing really stands out compared to just playing it with a regular mix. The way it's packaged is amazing, looks very nice.
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(https://my bitchass)
Also, I preordered The Hunter's special edition at F.Y.E. while I was there :metal
:metal
You look like a dude I'd sit [next to] and metal with.
Also, in all honesty, I'll most likely pick Heritage up, from a local record store when its used and much cheaper.
Indeed, the feeling is mutual Mr. Blythe's doppleganger. I'll be sure to have some very high quality beer with me whenever you can make it down to New Orleans once I return there about a year from now :metal
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I know what Black Floyd looks like now! Yay!
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I know what Black Floyd looks like now! Yay!
Glad to meet your approval chief! I did already post my pic in the "Post a pic of yourself" (or whatever it's actually called) thread a few days back but I looked like a dicktard in that lol.
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Ahh...for some reason, I missed your pics on that page, but I saw Perpetual Change's shirtless pic. :-\
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Ahh...for some reason, I missed your pics on that page, but I saw Perpetual Change's shirtless pic. :-\
I guess I'm the only one that jerked off to it then.
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....Well...don't go assuming things like that...
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:blush
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bwahahaha
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I wish they did 2 sets like Lamentations
This was my first thought upon seeing the setlist. And they certainly could have. If it was a time issue, they could have played two half mini-sets, a 2/3 soft - 1/3 heavy job even. But they didn't. Which suggests Mikael simply has no interest at all in playing the RORO stuff at all.
Nobody is saying they hate it.
That's not entirely true.
And just for the record, I was extremely excited to hear Opeth was changing it up on this album and going in a new direction. I couldn't care less that it's not a metal album. In fact, there is little metal I find truly great music anymore, and there are colossal amounts of non-metal music I would prefer over most if not all of even that great metal. So I was very pleased to hear that Opeth, as much as they are one of my favourite metal bands, were dropping it and going somewhere else.
Then I actually heard the album.
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I wish they did 2 sets like Lamentations
This was my first thought upon seeing the setlist. And they certainly could have. If it was a time issue, they could have played two half mini-sets, a 2/3 soft - 1/3 heavy job even. But they didn't. Which suggests Mikael simply has no interest at all in playing the RORO stuff at all.
Nobody is saying they hate it.
That's not entirely true.
And just for the record, I was extremely excited to hear Opeth was changing it up on this album and going in a new direction. I couldn't care less that it's not a metal album. In fact, there is little metal I find truly great music anymore, and there are colossal amounts of non-metal music I would prefer over most if not all of even that great metal. So I was very pleased to hear that Opeth, as much as they are one of my favourite metal bands, were dropping it and going somewhere else.
Then I actually heard the album.
By this I assume you mean they missed the mark? I'm withholding a formal analysis of Heritage until I get in 5 full spins which will be done like this:
1) In regular order while reading along with the lyrics.
2) Regular order but just listening.
3) Shuffled order just listening
Methods #2) and 3) again.
So far though I will say after one listening minus the bonus tracks that I had a VERY difficult time enjoying it at all. I really hope listenings 2 through 5 can change this.
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So I heard the new album and I like it. It's growing on me with every listen.
I'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFSKfPaz30&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFSKfPaz30&feature=player_embedded)
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Mikael sure seem to love Closure a lot, seeing as it's probably the song from Damnation that they have played the most live.
I love it myself, but seeing as I've already heard/seen it live once, I'd much rather take another song, Hope Leaves perhaps. :heart
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I have to say I love the album but I'm a bit disappointed with the setlist. This was going to be my first Opeth concert (I actually attended part of one in PN09 but I wasn't a fan back then so I paid no attention) so I was hoping for a good mix of Heritage + some classics.
Between this and still having no one to go with, I'm not sure what to do. I may go alone, I may ask my wife to come, or I may send it all to hell and save 60 euros in the process.
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Take your wife. All the sultriness of the lighter set should set you up for a better night of sexy time than usual. That alone justifies 10-20 euros of the price.
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This will be my first time seeing Opeth as a headlining band, I saw them on a festival back in '09, but I still feel pretty happy with their current setlist.
Might be because I got to see: Deliverance, Ghost of Perdition, The Leper Affinity, Closure, The Lotus Eater and Heir Apparent at the festival, but I'm still REALLY excited if I'm going to get A Fair Judgement and Face of Melinda.
Those are just such Opeth-classics IMO.
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I wish they did 2 sets like Lamentations
This was my first thought upon seeing the setlist. And they certainly could have. If it was a time issue, they could have played two half mini-sets, a 2/3 soft - 1/3 heavy job even. But they didn't. Which suggests Mikael simply has no interest at all in playing the RORO stuff at all.
I wouldn't mind if they announced it earlier there will be no death metal songs this tour. They didn't and I feel people have the right to feel cheated. I bet everyone expected plenty of Heritage in the set but with an otherwise mixed setlist.
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seeing them tomorrow!!1
BC
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I feel people have the right to feel cheated.
This is it, exactly. They simply just jumped into the tour (probably) shocking the entire crowd by not playing the heavier songs. As of right now, I'm starting to hope that this just becomes a "failed experiment" and the setlist starts getting changed up after a few shows. I'm sure they've already got a bunch of older material mostly rehearsed from past shows/tours.
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Not the ideal set list, but I'm still excited to see them regardless.
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I have to say, I can't agree with people who say that the new album isn't metal at all.
On one hand I agree that it's one of their more calm albums, it might be their most progressive in terms of sound, but there are plenty of heavy moments that are heavy on the album, just take the second half of "I Feel the Dark" and "Slither" for example, pretty heavy stuff.
As for the setlist, yeah it's a bit surprising with no growl-songs, but obviously it can all turn around.
I'd say "A Fair Judgement" and "Face of Melinda" are two pretty strong classics that most people will be psyched about, but yeah, apart from them it's a pretty cool (odd) setlist, a song like Patterns in the Ivy II will be really cool to hear live, but it's not like it's the song people REALLY want to hear from BWP, and by that I mean that most people would probably have wanted it switched with the title-track, The Drapery Falls, Bleak or The Leper Affinity.
I agree with Sigz though, psyched about them playing it.
As for the chance of Opeth bringing out growl-songs, I can see it happen.
"The Grand Conjuration" feels like the most 'given' choice, I know that there are fans who doesn't care for it, but I believe it's one of Mikael's favorites, and they have played it live quite a lot before.
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Everyone just needs to calm to their tits.
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Everyone just needs to calm to their tits.
This thread has been insanely calm since yesterday. :P
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Well you just entered the thread, so not really.
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I don't think there was anything offensive or outrageous in that last post though, it was just pure speculating like everyone else is doing. :P
Problem on the internet is that unless there's ":P:P:P:P:P" after every line, people get the feeling that the writer is über-mad or just pissed.
I dunno. :lol
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No actually I just think umadbro.
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It's cool.
You were seeing Opeth soon right?
Report back with setlist, shall be interesting to see what/if they change something. :)
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just have to say lol a lot lol
like this lol
i aint even serious lol
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Yup this is also why its a good thing not to know the setlist beforehand.
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It's cool.
You were seeing Opeth soon right?
Report back with setlist, shall be interesting to see what/if they change something. :)
Zack's seeing them tomorrow. I'm seeing them a week from tomorrow.
Soooo excited to see them for the first time.
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I think it's much more a prog rock album than a metal album. Either way it's an awesome one! :tup
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It's definitely metal.
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There's some metal riffs of course but overall it's much more prog rock... I don't think it's a "pure metal" album.
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Zack's seeing them tomorrow. I'm seeing them a week from tomorrow.
Soooo excited to see them for the first time.
Cool!
I thought you guys lived really close, guess I was wrong. :P
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When I'm at home, we're about 3-4 hours away, but when I'm at school like right now it's about 8-10 hours :lol
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Ah, that's quite a bit then. :P
USA is pretty crazy in general, sadly I haven't been there myself, but my parents told me that it's really such a big country that it is impossible to imagine.
I can only try to imagine! :lol
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There's some metal riffs of course but overall it's much more prog rock... I don't think it's a "pure metal" album.
Pretty much. There are like...3 "metal" moments on the whole album. I wouldn't even put "Slither" into the "metal" category.
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OK so I have picked up a real copy of the album and given it a few more listens, and some tracks have grown on me a bit, but I am still disappointed with it, and even more so to see that there is a possibility I might not even get a single growl song when I go see them soon. Sure I love a lot of their clean vocal stuff, but I love even more of the growl songs, and I feel they really come to life when you see them live in a way that the clean vocals don't quite do.
This thread is also quite frustrating to read through! Nobody seems to be allowed to dislike the new album/direction without people saying "people that don't like the album need to accept that bands can do what they want"!
I think it is a pretty good album, but definitely not on a par with the opeth of old. In the same way that watershed felt like a step down from GR, heritage feels like a step down from watershed. :sadpanda:
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OK so I have picked up a real copy of the album and given it a few more listens, and some tracks have grown on me a bit, but I am still disappointed with it, and even more so to see that there is a possibility I might not even get a single growl song when I go see them soon. Sure I love a lot of their clean vocal stuff, but I love even more of the growl songs, and I feel they really come to life when you see them live in a way that the clean vocals don't quite do.
This thread is also quite frustrating to read through! Nobody seems to be allowed to dislike the new album/direction without people saying "people that don't like the album need to accept that bands can do what they want"!
I think it is a pretty good album, but definitely not on a par with the opeth of old. In the same way that watershed felt like a step down from GR, heritage feels like a step down from watershed. :sadpanda:
I'm with ya 100% dude. Same shit happened a fair bit with the newer faction of Cynic fans that got on board for Traced in Air and suddenly (at times) took on this pompous facade of being a self-proclaimed authority on the band after a few months of listening to them. I'm not calling the Heritage fans n00bs but just citing an issue that I saw with Cynic fans.
Also, if they expect us to accept that "bands can do whatever they want" then they also need to accept that we can think whatever we want.
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No, you're not allowed to think for yourselves.
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I'm really impressed with this album. This has definitely solidified my trust in Akerfeldt for his music decisions. There's a ton of great moments on the album, and regardless of how you view this album to past Opeth albums, I don't think that any song here "sucks".
Still a little disappointed that the beginning of Famine isn't longer as the piano/soft part is amazing, and I think the rest of the song doesn't really fit it.
Anyway, I don't know if they'll ever go back to growling (I certainly wouldn't bet against it, and I'd like them to) but I'm definitely happy that they can still make great music in a different style.
edit: This album also feels very concise. There's little filler (I'll judge this more on subsequent listens) and the length feels perfect. This is one of the few times that I've listened to an album and been like, "It's over already???".
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I don't really like the new album. Too drastic of a change for my tastes. I've had it since Saturday and I've listened to it about a dozen times hoping it would click, but the feeling I am most often left with when I put it on is an overwhelming urge to press the fast-forward button to get past the boring, noodling to the more interesting passages.
The other thing I really miss is the contrasts. The contrast between super-heavy aggression and beautiful melancholy moments of melodic finger-picked passages has morphed into something different and the stark contrasts are now gone. That was the biggest attraction for me.
I still supported the band with a special edition purchase, but I don't think I'll be staying on the bandwagon if this is the music they're going to make from now on.
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This album is what Road Salt One is to Pain of Salvation.
Goodnight sweet prince.
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I've given it more spins, and I still couldn't tell you how any of it goes. Really disliking this album :-[ Experimentation is cool, but not if you're going to not bother writing actual songs...
The album is aimless, self-absorbed, and puts experimentation and being "out there" before actually writing good songs. No wonder NPR streamed it...
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My only real issue with Heritage is that second part of I Feel the Dark that comes out of fucking nowhere. I love the song, but it feels a bit disjointed.
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My only real issue with Heritage is that second part of I Feel the Dark that comes out of fucking nowhere. I love the song, but it feels a bit disjointed.
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Yeah but that part sounds badass anyways so I'm ok with it.
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Famine still kind of makes me say "WTF," because it's very strange, but this is a great album. I've been listening to it while driving to and from work all week, and I just don't want to take it out.
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Famine makes me say "I like this song, it's pretty cool."
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Famine is the shit.
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Listened to it again. I think my biggest complaint about it right now is that a lot of the songs don't really seem to end, just cut off at awkward moments. It definitely picks up in the second half though.
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The Lines in My Hand :metal
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The album really doesn't have any 'bad' moments for me, I really enjoy it all way through.
The big question is if/and if so, what songs will be played outside from the album in a year or two (when the album has sunk in a bit), right now I'd say all of the songs has parts that I like.
If I had to pick a favorite, I'd say Famine.
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Has anyone been able to download the bonus tracks from the roadrunner site yet. Two days in I'm still getting this. (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/heritagebonustracks/)
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I am having the biggest problem getting into the new album. When FtBD7 and I sat down to listen to it, I think I was expecting something different than what I was given. After hearing the album, the two comments that stand out most in my mind from two nights ago were
"This is not Opeth, this is a side project for Akerfeldt"
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"This is an amazing album, if it were done by another band"
Should I just keep spinning it until I 'get' it?
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I'd say forget about who recorded it, just give it a fair shake (4-5 spins, depending on how long it usually takes for things to "click" for you) and see if you enjoy it. There's no reason to keep listening to something if you're definitely not enjoying it, but there's also no reason to disregard a good album just because it doesn't fit in the band's previous discography.
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I'd say forget about who recorded it, just give it a fair shake (4-5 spins, depending on how long it usually takes for things to "click" for you) and see if you enjoy it. There's no reason to keep listening to something if you're definitely not enjoying it, but there's also no reason to disregard a good album just because it doesn't fit in the band's previous discography.
This is a good point. The change in direction isn't what bugs me, personally. PoS made a similar change, but they continued to write good songs. Opeth did not. The lack of distorted guitars and growls isn't what bothers me-- it's welcomed, actually. It's the self-indulgent noodling that has no direction and most of the time goes nowhere. If any other band did that, I'd be just as upset.
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I felt like that at the start, as if the whole album was a collection of riffs and sections rather than songs. Now I've listened to it a few more times (not too many, I'm still waiting for the physical copy to arrive so I can listen to it properly) and now I start to know what to expect and I enjoy it a lot, but I understand it's not going to be like this for everybody. I just don't want this album to suffer from the Metallica - Load syndrome - i.e. being judged for who recorded it, not for how it sounds like.
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Finally got it in the mail today!
Spinning it for the first time now, so far it's a very surprising listen, since I hadn't heard anything off of it yet.
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in about 10 hours MA will be fondling my genitals
BC
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Gonna book my Opeth tickets tomorrow hopefully :)
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Lookie what I got:
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An Opeth coin! I wonder how many beers that's worth?
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:lol :lol
Nice!
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That coin is pretty much the only cool thing in that picture.
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That coin is pretty much the only cool thing in that picture.
Nuh-huh. It's also a DVD with a cool making of. Plus the extra booklet has some cool pictures.
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"This is an amazing album, if it were done by another band"
lol
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"This is an amazing album, if it were done by another band"
lol
I don't quite 'buy' that reasoning either.
Because I mean, it states that after all, the album is amazing, but on the other hand would be shit because it's not like Opeth's other albums.
If it's "amazing", then how can it be bad? :P
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From the Opeth Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/#!/Opeth?sk=wall&filter=2)
It has been brought to our attention that, due to a manufacturing problem, if you bought the special edition in Europe you did not receive the insert with details of how to download the bonus tracks. They are easy to get though simply visit RoadrunnerRecords.com/HeritageBonusTracks To Receive MP3 Downloads Of “Pyre” & “Face In The Snow”. Alternatively click on the Free mp3's tab on the Opeth Facebook Page.
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"This is an amazing album, if it were done by another band"
lol
I don't quite 'buy' that reasoning either.
Because I mean, it states that after all, the album is amazing, but on the other hand would be shit because it's not like Opeth's other albums.
If it's "amazing", then how can it be bad? :P
It's that whole association thing. What I assume he is saying is that if this was Mikael's solo album or even a side project of a different name other than Opeth, he'd be able to get passed the sound a lot more. But he's associating it with the same band who released Serenity Painted Death, and Blackwater Park and The Grand Conjuration and The Night and the Silent Water, etc.
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Serenity Painted Death :heart
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From the Opeth Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/#!/Opeth?sk=wall&filter=2)
It has been brought to our attention that, due to a manufacturing problem, if you bought the special edition in Europe you did not receive the insert with details of how to download the bonus tracks. They are easy to get though simply visit RoadrunnerRecords.com/HeritageBonusTracks To Receive MP3 Downloads Of “Pyre” & “Face In The Snow”. Alternatively click on the Free mp3's tab on the Opeth Facebook Page.
Roadrunner really screwed a lot of people including me with ADTOE and Heritage.
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I really don't understand the whole "It's not Opeth" thing. Yes, there's no growls, but like it or not it still sounds like Opeth through-and-through.
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The Devil's Orchard
I Feel The Dark
Face of Melinda
Porcelain Heart
Nepenthe
Throat Of Winter
Credence
Patterns in the Ivy II
Slither
A Fair Judgement
Hex Omega
Folklore
replace this with Haxprocess, The Lines In my Hand, Hessian Peel and Hope Leaves and that's an awesome setlist in my opinion :tup great to see Pattern in the Ivy II on there as well.
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after several listens, i personally LOVE the album. but I can understand why some people might not get it.
what does everyone think of the two bonus tracks: "Pyre" and "Face in the Snow"?
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I really don't understand the whole "It's not Opeth" thing. Yes, there's no growls, but like it or not it still sounds like Opeth through-and-through.
It still sounds very Opeth-like and has many Opeth elements. Especially in the heavy section of I Feel the Dark. But at the same time, it still feels more like a 70s prog tribute album over a full on Opeth album, if that makes any sense.
I'm NOT claiming it's a bad album (I love it for the most part) and I'm not saying anyone is wrong in what they are saying about it. But I completely understand why some people don't think it feels very much like an Opeth album compared to past releases.
And honestly, I think we should leave it at that. We are running in circles more than usual with our Opeth thread. Ever since Heritage leaked (and dropped legally) all we've done is:
"This album is awesome"
"I don't like it"
"WELL YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND"
"It's not Opeth feeling"
"YES IT IS"
"Not to me it isn't"
"NO YOU ARE JUST FAKE. AND. GAY"
***some overdramatization may have taken place.
EDIT: Can we just go back to people being wrong about Morningrise? I like those arguments so much more.
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You do are fake and gay though.
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It's probably time for another album-ranking soon, just because we haven't in X pages. :lol
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I'll go first:
Orchid
Morningrise
Orchid
Morningrise
Orchid
Morningrise
Watershed
An endless loop of Eternal Soul Torture
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I must say, the two bonus tracks on Heritage are awesome, Pyre especially. :heart
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The only thing I can say about Heritage with 100% certainly right now: The last two songs are perfect.
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what does everyone think of the two bonus tracks: "Pyre" and "Face in the Snow"?
After one listen (so take this with a huge grain of salt), I find them a bit lackluster. But that's how bonus tracks often are. "Face in the Snow" stuck out to me as the more enjoyable of the two, though.
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I'll go first:
Orchid
Morningrise
Orchid
Morningrise
Orchid
Morningrise
Watershed
An endless loop of Eternal Soul Torture
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'll say this, The Devil's Orchard kind of seems like a pre climax, it sets a tone for the album to be energetic and radular, and then the rest of the album starts to mumble and the energy seems to be gone.
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I'll say this, The Devil's Orchard kind of seems like a pre climax, it sets a tone for the album to be energetic and radular, and then the rest of the album starts to mumble and the energy seems to be gone.
So...The Devil's Orchard is Heritage's premature ejaculation? Nah, I don't think so.
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I'll say this, The Devil's Orchard kind of seems like a pre climax, it sets a tone for the album to be energetic and radular, and then the rest of the album starts to mumble and the energy seems to be gone.
i can see where you're coming from.
but i disagree.
just look at the jazzy flute solo over those doomy riffs in famine. so much energy there, unbelievable power!
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I'll say this, The Devil's Orchard kind of seems like a pre climax, it sets a tone for the album to be energetic and radular, and then the rest of the album starts to mumble and the energy seems to be gone.
So...The Devil's Orchard is Heritage's premature ejaculation? Nah, I don't think so.
Thats just my opinion. Upon hearing The Devil's Orchard and Slither before the stream I was really excited for this album, and it just didn't play out the way I thought it was going to.
EDIT: I'm just going to say, I still give it a 6/10 so its not a BAD album, just kind of a confused one, so I'll still pick it up when I can find it for cheap. Still material on it I really like.
The song after Slither is a bit of a rocker as well, but the vocals are a big turn off, love the drumming though.
Song after had a spazmatic outburst of guitar but the rest of the song just crawls by.
See guys, I'm finding stuff I like. It's sort of growing on me :P
I will say though, some of his vocals feel very forced and the doomy part was really ruined by the flute.
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I'll say this, The Devil's Orchard kind of seems like a pre climax, it sets a tone for the album to be energetic and radular, and then the rest of the album starts to mumble and the energy seems to be gone.
Totally man. If you would have told me two months ago that Devil's Orchard was the best song on the album, I would have laughed at you.
Now I'm crying because of how true it is.
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My album rankings (Not including MAYH or Orchid because I haven't heard them enough):
1.Ghost Reveries
2.Watershed
3.Blackwater Park
4.Deliverance
5.Damnation
6.Morningrise
7.Still Life
8.Heritage (I don't "hate" Heritage, it is a decent album, but nowhere near as good as their better albums)
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Become more familiar with MAYH. Now.
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Become more familiar with MAYH and Orchid. Now.
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Become more familiar with MAYH. Now.
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Finally got to hear it today. Not really sure how I feel about it, so I'm going to have to spin it some more. Love the Devil's Orchard, but some of the other songs just sound like uninteresting acoustic sections and rock-out sections taking turns over and over.
Here's to hoping it's a grower.
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Become more familiar with MAYH. Now.
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Become more familiar with MAYH and Orchid. Now.
This! Really all their albums are great though. But these are two of the better ones for sure.
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Guys. This album is clicking HARD.
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I wish heritage was good.
heritage sucks
lol
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Become more familiar with MAYH. Now.
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Guys. This album is clicking HARD.
(https://i.imgur.com/aTBhf.jpg)
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I wish heritage was good.
heritage sucks
lol
What can I say? Ryan told me it was good, and Ryan is never wrong, so I have no choice but to like it now. :hefdaddy
Seriously, though, while it did click for me I stand by criticisms I initially made. It could be a LOT better. But it's probably rate it as "decent" now, rather than "bad".
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I wish heritage was good.
heritage sucks
lol
What can I say? Ryan told me it was good, and Ryan is never wrong, so I have no choice but to like it now. :hefdaddy
Seriously, though, while it did click for me I stand by criticisms I initially made. It could be a LOT better. But it's probably rate it as "decent" now, rather than "bad".
This.
Inb4 I TOLD YOU SOOOO HAHAHA LAWL YOU GUYS.
I still find the majority of Opeths other catalog better
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What can I say? Ryan told me it was good, and Ryan is never wrong, so I have no choice but to like it now.
:lol
I've listened to it twice more. Similar opinions as before, some of the songs end really poorly, and the latter half is considerably better. The last two songs are fucking fantastic as well, brilliant way to close the album.
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Yeah, I really appreciated some of the acoustic playing toward the end.
I'm still listening to the stream, so I have no idea what is what. I think I will actually buy this now though :D
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I still don't enjoy most of it :P
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I've been giving it a few more listens as well, and some songs click more than others, however as a whole it's growing. One thing that helped me (not sure if it would help anyone else), was starting with Orchid and just running the bases until Heritage. Helped a lot for me.
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I listened to Heritage for the first time and my first impression is positive, although I don't remember much from the songs. But this kind of music rarely gets worse with more listens! At no point did I think "this needs some growls", I don't think they would fit any song.
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I just kept on finding myself going "alright time to rock out now... ah shit it slowed down again."
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I just kept on finding myself going "alright time to rock out now... ah shit it slowed down again."
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Guys. This album is clicking HARD.
Dammit. We lost one.
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I still have yet to listen to the album because my fucking box set isn't here.
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man for all the shit that bands like DT get for too much noodling/wanking, this album is the biggest noodlefest of the year. Half the songs sound more like studio jams than actual songs. I think some of it is really cool, but I really wish this album was more focused.
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Am I the only one that doesn't really hear all this supposed noodling? Maybe I just have a different definition of the word.
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Am I the only one that doesn't really hear all this supposed noodling? Maybe I just have a different definition of the word.
Yeah I don't get it. Apart from a couple of songs in the middle, I'd say the album is less meandering/whimsical than Opeth usually are. :lol Not that that's a criticism, I love Opeth, it's just a feature of their music that has always been there.
New album ranking:
1. Blackwater Park
2. Ghost Reveries
3. Watershed
=. Heritage
5. Still Life
6. Damnation
7. Deliverance
8. My Arms, Your Hearse
9. Morningrise
10. Orchid
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That's a pretty accurate ranking except Still Life is waaaaay too low.
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1- Blackwater Park
2- Watershed
3- Ghost Reveries
4- Still Life
5- Damnation
6- Heritage
7- Deliverance
Still haven't been able to get into the first 3... gave them only 1-2 spins though, I will probably keep trying.
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Blackwater Park
Still Life
Ghost Reveries
Deliverance
Watershed
Damnation
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
Orchid
still have no idea where I'd put Heritage
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That's a pretty accurate ranking except Still Life is waaaaay too low.
Nah, Still Life is just about right. Putting MAYH with the first two albums though? Criminal.
Objectively speaking of course.
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Ghost Reveries
Deliverance
Still Life
Blackwater Park
Heritage
My Arms, Your Hearse
Damnation
Watershed
Orchid
Morningrise
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Am I the only one that doesn't really hear all this supposed noodling? Maybe I just have a different definition of the word.
Yeah I don't get it. Apart from a couple of songs in the middle, I'd say the album is less meandering/whimsical than Opeth usually are. :lol Not that that's a criticism, I love Opeth, it's just a feature of their music that has always been there.
I totally agree! I think that all the Opeth fans calling this album aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical are being unfair. It's probably less aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical than any other Opeth album besides Damnation.
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Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Heritage
Orchid
Watershed
Damnation
Dliverance
Something like that. This could change.
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Ghost Reveries
Still Life
Blackwater Park
Heritage
Watershed
Damnation
Deliverance
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
Orchid
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Video for "The Devil's Orchard":
https://pitchfork.com/news/44090-video-opeth-the-devils-orchard/
I don't even know what to say.... :mehlin
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Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Props
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Heritage
Orchid
Watershed
Damnation
Dliverance
No props
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Video for "The Devil's Orchard":
https://pitchfork.com/news/44090-video-opeth-the-devils-orchard/
I don't even know what to say.... :mehlin
It's trippy. I like it.
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I really hate music videos. :lol
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I liked that video.
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Am I the only one that doesn't really hear all this supposed noodling? Maybe I just have a different definition of the word.
Yeah I don't get it. Apart from a couple of songs in the middle, I'd say the album is less meandering/whimsical than Opeth usually are. :lol Not that that's a criticism, I love Opeth, it's just a feature of their music that has always been there.
I totally agree! I think that all the Opeth fans calling this album aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical are being unfair. It's probably less aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical than any other Opeth album besides Damnation.
Are we really doing this again?
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I totally agree! I think that all the Opeth fans calling this album aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical are being unfair. It's probably less aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical than any other Opeth album besides Damnation.
You might be right. Like I said, it seems to be clicking for me a bit more. But I'm gonna give it a couple more spins. Granted you guys care, I will let you know how it works out.
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1. Every Opeth Album
2. Heritage
3. Mikael's Mustache
4. Every Opeth Album is good anyways.
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if you haven't bought it yet, it's well worth getting the CD/DVD combo version.
the documentary included is pretty awesome and a great insight into the bad - some very funny moments with Mikael as well! :D
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Am I the only one that doesn't really hear all this supposed noodling? Maybe I just have a different definition of the word.
Yeah I don't get it. Apart from a couple of songs in the middle, I'd say the album is less meandering/whimsical than Opeth usually are. :lol Not that that's a criticism, I love Opeth, it's just a feature of their music that has always been there.
I totally agree! I think that all the Opeth fans calling this album aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical are being unfair. It's probably less aimless, noodling, meandering, and whimsical than any other Opeth album besides Damnation.
Are we really doing this again?
No. TOX is cool and doesn't make cracks about musical intelligence.
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1. Heritage (I SAID IT)
2. Watershed
3. Blackwater Park
4. My Arms, Your Hearse
5. Ghost Reveries
6. Still Life
7. Orchid
8. Deliverance
9. Damnation
10. Morningrise
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Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Props
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Heritage
Orchid
Watershed
Damnation
Dliverance
No props
Thinking about it now, I'd probably put Watershed above Orchid. I dunno, ranking a catalog as consistent as Opeth's is difficult.
Morningrise, however, will maintain its current position.
(https://i.imgur.com/pGU7c.gif)
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1. Watershed
2. Ghost Reveries
3. My Arms, Your Hearse
4. Blackwater Park
5. Heritage
6. Orchid
7. Still Life
8. Damnation
9. Deliverance
10. Morningrise
Some of these I need to give more of a listen to, but this is my tenative ranking, and it's really fucking hard to rank Opeth.
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Overall rankings are hard for me, but Damnation and Still Life are definitely at the bottom as far as I stand. Whereas Morningrise and Orchid are near the very tippy top.
Go ahead, poop on my windshield. See if I give a fuck.
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That's a pretty accurate ranking except Still Life is waaaaay too low.
Nah, Still Life is just about right. Putting MAYH with the first two albums though? Criminal.
Objectively speaking of course.
It isn't with those two, I really like it and it's a league above the bottom two. It's just less great than the rest.
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Overall rankings are hard for me, but Damnation and Still Life are definitely at the bottom as far as I stand. Whereas Morningrise and Orchid are near the very tippy top.
Go ahead, poop on my windshield. See if I give a fuck.
Dude, I'm not gonna poop on your windshield.
*hides ice cream tub in toy section*
*poops in it*
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Overall rankings are hard for me, but Damnation and Still Life are definitely at the bottom as far as I stand. Whereas Morningrise and Orchid are near the very tippy top.
Go ahead, poop on my windshield. See if I give a fuck.
Dude, I'm not gonna poop on your windshield.
*hides ice cream tub in toy section*
*poops in it*
(https://puu.sh/60Ty)
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I've been listening through their Discography today, and its set in stone for me that Watershed completely :metal :metal :metal
I have a little extra money too, so I might go get Heritage today, if the local record store doesn't have the new Brutal Truth.
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I think the two bonus songs are better than some of the songs that are on the album.
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1. Ghost Reveries
2. Heritage
3. Blackwater Park
4. Watershed
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. My Arms, Your Hearse
8. Still Life
9. Orchid
10. Morningrise
with Orchid & Morningrise I've never been really able to get into them as much as other Opeth albums so I think it's probably unfair to rank them with them.
and yes, that is Heritage you see at number 2. I absolutely LOVE this album. :)
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I've never been that into Opeth (hold on, give me a moment to explain) but Heritage is fucking great. Love it. :tup
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Ah Opeth ratings time.
MAYH
Ghost Reveries
Blackmanwater Park
Watershed
Deliverance
Morningrise
Orchid
Still Life
Heritage
Don't get me wrong, I really like Heritage but It's definitely one of their weaker albums to me. I am still listening to it as much as I would any album though fo' sure dawg.
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Sorry, Damnation is at the bottom.
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The special edition is so sexy.
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Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Heritage
Orchid
Watershed
Damnation
Deliverance
Something like that. This could change.
My list would be fairly similar to this, but I haven't yet heard Heritage. Can't believe how many people rank the first two/three so low. D/D would be my two least favourites aswell - due to the fact that they have less balance than the others. If they were included into a double album, they might be higher (although maybe not cause there is not as much variation in each individual song). Still stellar songwriting though, and I agree its very hard to rank. Mine will probably change a lot because I'm still *relatively* new to Opeth.
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We're doing another list? Oh well, when in Rome...
Damnation
Still Life
Watershed
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Heritage
My Arms Your Hearse
Morningrise
Deliverance
Orchid
I need more time with Heritage.
I'll edit when I find its place.
Edit: Heritage is pretty damn good, but not top 3 worthy.
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Wow, Damnation at the top? That's gotta be a first.
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I thought there was one other person here who loved Damnation too. But I've been wrong before. Yeah, total love for that album, and it wasn't even the first album I picked up. I got Ghost Reveries first, then Still Life. I think Damnation was bought before Watershed came out. Not sure how it happened, but we had an affair for months until Still Life found out. She was pissed; even threw me out of the house. It took a while, but we compromised on a divorce, and ever since Damnation and I have been enjoying each other's company in a two-story in Gothenburg.
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^I like Damnation a lot as well. I just get bored with In My Time of Need pretty easily but I can still listen to it. Hope Leaves was great when I saw 'em touring for Watershed. Shitty thing, however, was that they played it uncapoed so it was in a distractingly lower key.
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Here's mine:
Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Still Life
Watershed
Damnation
My Arms, Your Hearse
Deliverance
Morningrise
Orchid
Heritage
Heritage might be a grower, but for not it's at the bottom.
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Listening to Heritage again because Dark Castle convinced me, and it... is starting to sound a little better. Slither is a jam-fest, I really do like that song as it feels most cohesive overall. More listening time required yeaaahh.
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Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Still Life
Heritage
Watershed
My Arms, Your Hearse
Deliverance
Damnation
Morningrise
Orchid
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I like the new album, it's not really original, but it's not bad in any way. I probably like it as much as i do because i've been really into that kind of music as of late.
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^I like Damnation a lot as well. I just get bored with In My Time of Need pretty easily but I can still listen to it. Hope Leaves was great when I saw 'em touring for Watershed. Shitty thing, however, was that they played it uncapoed so it was in a distractingly lower key.
I've noticed this as well, on the Albert Hall dvd. Sounds so different!
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My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park
Deliverence
Ghost Reveries
Heritage
Damnation
Still Life
Watershed
Orchid
Morningrise
I absolutely love Heritage. Partly because I've been listening to nothing but music with growls for the past few months so I'm really in need of a change; and partly because aside from one or two tracks, I blow my load every time I listen to this album. Much more ambient than I thought it would originally be, but that's a plus for me. Oddly enough, I find myself enjoying the album much more if I listen to it from start to finish rather than listening to individual tracks; which is unheard of for me, I usually abhor the concept of having to listen to an entire album to get the full effect (ala The Incident...in my odd opinion). I don't enjoy the more metal-ish tracks on the album, much to my surprise. Slither, for instance, is one I was excited to hear when reading people's thoughts on it; but when I heard it, the song fell pretty flat for me when its wedged between I Feel the Dark and Nepenthe. Either way, very good album. I'd be interested in seeing how they evolve this style of music.
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^I like Damnation a lot as well. I just get bored with In My Time of Need pretty easily but I can still listen to it. Hope Leaves was great when I saw 'em touring for Watershed. Shitty thing, however, was that they played it uncapoed so it was in a distractingly lower key.
I've noticed this as well, on the Albert Hall dvd. Sounds so different!
They have capos for Windowpane that they have no trouble using. I think the issue here is that Mikael is singing really, really high on that song, in a quite specific way. I imagine it's a lot easier singing if they play in a different key.
As far as Heritage goes - I haven't listened that much to it. But I love it. I love their new style. It feels really natural for them.
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I have now listened to Heritage a bunch and I think it's amazing. These guys are geniuses.*
* Yes, I am a fanboy and proud.
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And by "these guys" you mean Mikael.
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Yep.
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Gonna listen to Heritage for the first time now.
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Try not to fail like everyone else.
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Just starting Slither now. So far it's nothing like I pictured. I mean the no growls I knew, but I expected something different. It's pretty good so far.
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It was good. Not super-special-awesome. But it was a pretty good album. Maybe if I listen to it more it'll digest more and it'll be great, I might listen again tomorrow or something.
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It's friggin awesome.
It was a cold cloudy rainy day today and I stayed in bed and listened to Heritage and it totally clicked. The first time I listened to it I thought it was terrible. This time I actually focused on the music and all the detail they put into it, it's just really good. I found myself surprised to be able to listen to all the songs one after the other without wanting to skip anything, like I did the first time. It's definitely something that grows on you (like the first time I tried blueberries I thought they had a horrible taste, but then I force fed myself a whole bunch and now they're my favorite fruit).
:metal
I'd say it's about equal to Watershed for me, although Watershed is more of an easy listen.
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Has anyone watched the "Making of Heritage"-documentary yet?
I'm watching it right now, and Mikael is fuckin' hilarious as always.
He talks about going to England and letting Steven Wilson mix the album:
"We might even film him some, even though he's an ugly cunt" :rollin :rollin
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Try not to fail like everyone else.
You mean fail like heritage right lo
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"We might even film him some, even though he's an ugly cunt" :rollin :rollin
>:(
I will kill him.
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lol
I'll try and give Heritage another chance today.
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"We might even film him some, even though he's an ugly cunt" :rollin :rollin
>:(
I will kill him.
It was a bit of a blasphemous statement indeed. To the Catherine wheel.
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"We might even film him some, even though he's an ugly cunt" :rollin :rollin
>:(
I will kill him.
(https://i56.tinypic.com/se2977.png)
No you won't. C:
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SW is beautiful and he is wrong. But I still lul'd pretty hard.
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I doubt Mikael was super serious about it, he always makes jokes about other people, let's not even talk about Mikael making fun of Martin Mendez. :lol
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#22 overall in the UK (https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums)
#1 in rock in the UK (https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/rockalbums)
pretty impressive for Opeth!
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Nice!! That was unexpected.
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"We might even film him some, even though he's an ugly cunt" :rollin :rollin
>:(
I will kill him.
(https://i56.tinypic.com/se2977.png)
No you won't. C:
D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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So what's everyone's favorite song? This album seems to have a lot of good songs that I'd be able to see as someone's favorite. I've gotta go with Folklore right now. Dat outro.
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I'd probably say Famine.
Or Nepenthe, or I Feel the Dark, or Folklore... or Häxprocess!
Bah it's hard really, but if I had to settle with just one, for now I would go with Famine. :hat
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Häxprocess.
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I really like Lines In My Hand, but I hesitate to call it my favorite on the album. I need to give Heritage more time. I still don't know if I like it better than Watershed.
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Häxprocess.
Tied with I Feel Dark. I can't chose. Don't make me.
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I Feel the Dark and Folklore are my favorites, I suppose. Although I really love the title track.
EDIT: Nevermind I lied. Face in the Snow is the best.
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So what's everyone's favorite song? This album seems to have a lot of good songs that I'd be able to see as someone's favorite. I've gotta go with Folklore right now. Dat outro.
Probably Häxprocess or Folklore.
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The Devil's Orchard
I Feel The Dark
Famine
(Secretly I love all the songs now and its my 4th or 5th favorite Opeth Album, don't tell Zantera)
Before he discovers as it's a reality, it wasn't the amount of times I listened to it, it was having the cd and driving around the countryside to it. Thats what really made it click for me, and now I listen to too much Opeth everyday...
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I Feel the Dark, Famine, and Folklore
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I Feel the Dark, Nepenthe, and Folklore I think are my three favorites.
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I Feel the Dark, Famine, and Folklore
These, especially the two latter.
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I saw some bad reviews here and on other forums so I was a bit hesitant about this album, but after I gave it just 2 full listens, I was super impressed. This album rocks, guys and girls! I am by no means a fan of 70's style prog (I can respect it, but the sound irks me sometimes) but this is a great album that flashes nostalgia while comming in fresh. Firstly, this could be the clinic on how to produce an album, everything is crisp sounding, clean, clear, beautiful and dynamic like no modern album seems to be anymore.
I can see why some might not like the album as there really isnt a stand-alone couple of songs you'll want to pull up now and again just to rock out to or thrash around with, so in this regard it differs from the last 2 Opeth albums which definitely had great signature "tracks". This album reminds me a lot like PT's "The Incident" where all the songs flow together, repeat melodies, and serve as small pieces to one large work of art, and of course, this work is as darkly melodic, mysterious, beautifully haunting, and just "cool" as only Opeth can make it.
Perhaps this is why I love the album so much as I have not listened to it other than in its entirety (around 6 full spins so far).
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MY FUCKING CD STILL DIDN'T COME
BC
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MY FUCKING CD STILL DIDN'T COME
fucking this
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MY CD DIDN'T COME
I WANNA KILL AND EAT MY YOUNG
BC
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Where did you guys order from?
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roadfucker
BC
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hahahaha
send angry emails to those disorganised bastards
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Anyone going to Opeth this Saturday in Orlando? I have an extra ticket.
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That reminds me: I don't think anyone is in CO but I have an extra ticket for the Denver show October 25th :D
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Famine, The Devil's Orchard, Pyre.
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Famine, The Devil's Orchard, Pyre.
Soooo muckin good
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From the sexually arousing music thread:
Okay this is me listening to Folklore:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo614.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo615.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo616.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo617.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo618.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo619.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo620.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo621.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo622.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/erotomaniac/Photo623.jpg)
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That first sentence and the pics combined: :rollin :tup
Oh, and I have a new appreciation for and fucking love The Night and the Silent Water.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxvN_GxgpF8&feature=feedu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxvN_GxgpF8&feature=feedu)
Music vid for The Devil's Orchard.
Shit's Fucked Up
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Yeah, it's different.. I've never liked many music videos over the countless that I've seen but this one will do for how zany the music is. It doesn't necessarily 'fit', but it'll do. It still reminds me of nearly every other music video I've seen: Fitting random fucking images to the music's rhythm and tone; instead of doing something purposeful like creating a story to go along with it.
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:rollin Very nice series of pics :D
My CD still hasn't arrived either lol.
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Heritage... What a special, special album. Seriously. Holy shit. It's going to take a lot for the new Mastodon and Steven Wilson to beat it!
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The Hunter bent Heritage over its knee and spanked its ass raw with a cow's femur. Then raped it.
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The Hunter bent Heritage over its knee and spanked its ass raw with a cow's femur. Then raped it.
I'm not sure what the point of this post is, but what is The Hunter? Or rather who is it by, I'm assuming it's an album?
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Grace for Drowning bent Heritage over its knee and spanked its ass raw with a cow's femur. Then raped it.
FTFY
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The Hunter bent Heritage over its knee and spanked its ass raw with a cow's femur. Then raped it.
I'm not sure what the point of this post is, but what is The Hunter? Or rather who is it by, I'm assuming it's an album?
Mastodon.
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The Hunter bent Heritage over its knee and spanked its ass raw with a cow's femur. Then raped it.
I'm not sure what the point of this post is, but what is The Hunter? Or rather who is it by, I'm assuming it's an album?
Mastodon.
Yep. TOX said that it would take a lot for The Hunter to beat Heritage. I don't think it needed as much, but it doesn't matter because it kicks about 8 different flavors of ass.
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I've never heard 'em, but I've heard a lot of chatter. I'll hafta check it out if it's better than Heritage, that's saying quite a bit. Well I guess it depends on what your opinion of it is but I'm hoping it's high because some a new band is what I need.
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I've never heard 'em, but I've heard a lot of chatter. I'll hafta check it out if it's better than Heritage, that's saying quite a bit. Well I guess it depends on what your opinion of it is but I'm hoping it's high because some a new band is what I need.
...You've never heard of Mastodon? :sad:
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I've never heard 'em, but I've heard a lot of chatter. I'll hafta check it out if it's better than Heritage, that's saying quite a bit. Well I guess it depends on what your opinion of it is but I'm hoping it's high because some a new band is what I need.
...You've never heard of Mastodon? :sad:
Never heard. I've never listened to them before.
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Anyone else think of this when listening to the flute in Famine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmw-440ZGuo
:rollin
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No, I think of (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_119.jpg)
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I'm definitely not happy to see flute solos being kinda cool again... lol.
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I'm loving it! Sound seems super-dry to me for some reason...way heavier than I expected. Loved the documentary...
oh and @About to crash: LOL at those pics! ;D
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Mine just arrived! About to listen.
Liked it on first listen! Particularly Folklore. Gonna take a while for me to appreciate it fully, I think. Dunno how high it will get in my Opeths rankings, simply on the strength of their other stuff.
And just bought tickets for my first Opeth show! Yay! :metal :metal
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Overall, I think I like the album, but I'm not crazy about the running order, because it leaves a rather large section in the middle of the album that's very ambient and sort of ponderous......maybe MA was going for some kind of specific somber mood through that section of the album, and I think in the context of the whole album as a listening experience, it's OK, but it's hard for me to not reach for the FF button sometimes.
With that said, there are some astonishing guitar solos on this album and Ax has proven he's definitely got as much -if not more- groove than Lopez did.
The documentary was very interesting.
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Saw them 2 nights in a row last week in NYC. Great concerts.
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I'LL BE DRIVING TO SEE THEM IN ABOUT 48 HOURS :caffeine: :caffeine:
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One of the top-rated reviews for Heritage on Amazon states that Slither is about Ronnie James Dio's death. Can anyone confirm this?
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One of the top-rated reviews for Heritage on Amazon states that Slither is about Ronnie James Dio's death. Can anyone confirm this?
I believe I've heard/read Mikael confirming this. Can't supply a source though.
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One of the top-rated reviews for Heritage on Amazon states that Slither is about Ronnie James Dio's death. Can anyone confirm this?
It's stated in the liner notes, at least in the Special Edition.
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Mikael said in the making of-documentary that the song is a tribute to Dio because they all loved him.
If the song is actually about him (haven't read into the lyrics that much), that I can't tell. :P
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Ah, ok. Cool.
I still don't have a physical copy yet. :millahhhh
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I'LL BE DRIVING TO SEE THEM IN ABOUT 48 HOURS :caffeine: :caffeine:
BOOYAH.
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I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE FUCKING ALBUM IN THE MAIL YET
FUCK YOU ROADRUNNER
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So Heritage has grown on me to the point where I am willing to say the only album that is better than that's come out this year is GFD.
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From their twitter (https://twitter.com/#%21/OfficialOpeth):
"Heritage" enters the U.S. chart at #19. Opeth's highest chart position to date in the U.S.
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Awesomesauce
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A great position for this kind of band! :tup
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Gave Heritage another listen (7th), and it's weird, it's done what Watershed has done, where it sounds like any old normal Opeth album.
When Watershed came out, i thought the whole sound just didn't sound like them (especially the guitar tone, it was less forest-y and more clean/clinical). Heritage felt weird because of the 70s feel. But now it's just.. normal Opeth.
So Heritage is pretty awesome.
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From their twitter (https://twitter.com/#%21/OfficialOpeth):
"Heritage" enters the U.S. chart at #19. Opeth's highest chart position to date in the U.S.
THEY SOLD OUT DERP.
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anyone have the vinyl and want to give a quick review of it?
BC
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anyone have the vinyl and want to give a quick review of it?
BC
It pretty much sounds the same. MA added some crackles and pops into the mix, though, and boy do they sound awesome.
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anyone have the vinyl and want to give a quick review of it?
BC
It pretty much sounds the same. MA added some crackles and pops into the mix, though, and boy do they sound awesome.
What a creative bastard!
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OPETH TOMORROW sljdfhksjdhf
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Gave Heritage another listen (7th), and it's weird, it's done what Watershed has done, where it sounds like any old normal Opeth album.
When Watershed came out, i thought the whole sound just didn't sound like them (especially the guitar tone, it was less forest-y and more clean/clinical). Heritage felt weird because of the 70s feel. But now it's just.. normal Opeth.
So Heritage is pretty awesome.
Yeah this pretty much happened to me too.
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From their twitter (https://twitter.com/#%21/OfficialOpeth):
"Heritage" enters the U.S. chart at #19. Opeth's highest chart position to date in the U.S.
THEY SOLD OUT DERP.
Fake.
And.
Gay.
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Not kvlt enough. 2/5.
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They haven't been kvlt enough since they stopped recording mandolin solos.
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They haven't been kvlt enough since the first people to ever hear Orchid for the first time heard "Under the Weeping Moon" for the first time. Ever since then they've been fake and Takei.
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That's why I burn everything I record. I'm a prolific artist with 14 albums and 5 EPs, just no one has ever heard of them.
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That's why I burn everything I record. I'm a prolific artist with 14 albums and 5 EPs, just no one has ever heard of them.
That's fucking indie.
fake and Takei
:rollin
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I record everything I make onto water, then drink it, so I have musical urine. My bowel movements consistently get 8.7s on Pitchfork.
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I record everything I make onto water, then drink it, so I have musical urine. My bowel movements consistently get 8.7s on Pitchfork.
So YOU are that bastard behind Neutral Milk Hotel!
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No. NMH is the only band to ever get a 10 on pitchfork. My urine music is trve kvlt
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Gave Heritage another listen (7th), and it's weird, it's done what Watershed has done, where it sounds like any old normal Opeth album.
When Watershed came out, i thought the whole sound just didn't sound like them (especially the guitar tone, it was less forest-y and more clean/clinical). Heritage felt weird because of the 70s feel. But now it's just.. normal Opeth.
So Heritage is pretty awesome.
Yeah this pretty much happened to me too.
Likewise. It just blends into the rest of their catalog for me now, which is weird considering how much I hated how different it sounded at first.
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So I've finally heard the album. It's pretty amazing! Calling it a bunch of Jethro Tull covers or just "Opeth does 70's prog" album is pretty ridiculous. It feels totally original to me.
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The only part that sounds ANYTHING like JT is the vocals at the beginning of Folklore, and even that's a stretch.
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No. NMH is the only band to ever get a 10 on pitchfork.
Ok, I know that back-and-forth between you and Alex was a joke, but please don't tell me this part is actually true...
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No. NMH is the only band to ever get a 10 on pitchfork.
Ok, I know that back-and-forth between you and Alex was a joke, but please don't tell me this part is actually true...
Let me Wikipedia that for you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork_Media#Albums_rated_10.0
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Pitchfork has been criticized for deleting older reviews from their archive in an effort to keep up with the changing trends in indie music. One such example is the 9.5/10 review written for Save Ferris' album It Means Everything.[21]
Negative reviews of two By Divine Right albums were also removed from Pitchfork after members Brendan Canning and Leslie Feist became successful with the band Broken Social Scene and their own solo work. Steven Byrd's deleted review of By Divine Right's Bless This Mess, on which Canning and Feist play bass and guitar, went so far as to compare the band to "retard(s) with a guitar" who "wouldn't know Rock and Roll if she broke into their house and beat up their children," rating the album 1.8 out of ten.[22] After Belle & Sebastian's "comeback" in the mid-to-late 2000s, Pitchfork removed their 0.8-rated review of The Boy With the Arab Strap from the site.[23][24] The reviewer lambasted the band for writing songs that were "so sticky they should be hanging from Ben Stiller's ear, and I don't mean that in a good way."[25] The site has also removed its earlier reviews of three albums which it later rated 10.0/10: Boards of Canada's Music Has the Right to Children,[26] DJ Shadow's Endtroducing,[27] and Neutral Milk Hotel's In the Aeroplane Over the Sea.[28] Pitchfork originally gave the Flaming Lips concept album Zaireeka a scathing 0.0/10 in a review that also derided all Flaming Lips fans.[29] The review has since been deleted, and Pitchfork now praises the album.[30] Despite an initial 5.4/10 rating,[31] indicating a middling if not mediocre outing, Bright Eyes' 2000 release Fevers and Mirrors was later celebrated as one of the best of the decade in a list released after the band had reached new heights of critical and creative success.[32]
lol
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Yeah I thought it was implied that none of Pitchfork's reviews or opinions should be taken seriously.
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whats pitchfork they seem gey
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Pitchfork only likes albums they can xanascholithoun.
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They haven't been kvlt enough since they stopped recording mandolin solos.
Mandolin solos are actually really cool. Metal Hammer showcased a song from a Vietnamese band that had those and it was awesome.
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whats pitchfork they seem gey
If you don't know what it is, I suggest you not even search for the answer. It isn't really worth knowing what that site is all about.
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It does sound like the worst thing ever. :lol I think I'll give it a miss.
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Listening to the new album for the first time. Then on to Steven Wilson tomorrow.
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whats pitchfork they seem gey
If you don't know what it is, I suggest you not even search for the answer. It isn't really worth knowing what that site is all about.
Hipster shit or what?
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The only part that sounds ANYTHING like JT is the vocals at the beginning of Folklore, and even that's a stretch.
Before the album came out I remember a guy on the Opeth forum (he was one of the people invited to the listening party for the press) freaking out because he thought the album sounded like shitty Jethro Tull.
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whats pitchfork they seem gey
If you don't know what it is, I suggest you not even search for the answer. It isn't really worth knowing what that site is all about.
Hipster shit or what?
It's a music news/review site that's pretty popular in the hipster scene.
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That block of text Sigz posted makes me :rollin
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Here's a really good video review of Heritage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvFPmfdppYg&feature=relmfu
I don't agree with him, but it's still a solid review.
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^Wow. that guy knows what he's talking about when it comes to listening to music. Shame he's not a fan of Opeth, though. Otherwise he'd be on the bandwagon and give it a solid 7.
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Interesting review.
I gotta say, dissing Opeth because of Mikael's vocals, that is rare. :lol
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:facepalm: 72 pages on this band? The ADTOE thread only has 38 . . . :sad:
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Its also been going on longer than the ADTOE thread.
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Don't dignify that post with a response.
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They haven't been kvlt enough since the first people to ever hear Orchid for the first time heard "Under the Weeping Moon" for the first time. Ever since then they've been fake and Takei.
No, they were sell-outs already when they recorded Into the Frost of Winter and Eternal Soul Torture, those 2 songs are such commercial over-produced crap!
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:facepalm: 72 pages on this band? The ADTOE thread only has 38 . . . :sad:
You know another thing I don't get? How is it some no talent cookie monster like Mikael is so popular while a real genius like mike portnoy so much hate around here.
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:facepalm: 72 pages on this band? The ADTOE thread only has 38 . . . :sad:
Opeth > Dream Theater imo
BC
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:facepalm: 72 pages on this band? The ADTOE thread only has 38 . . . :sad:
.......
Huh?
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:facepalm: 72 pages on this band? The ADTOE thread only has 38 . . . :sad:
You know another thing I don't get? How is it some no talent cookie monster like Mikael is so popular while a real genius like mike portnoy so much hate around here.
at least mike protnoy never sold out like michael acornfield did because protnoy is not fake and gay like he is what a stupid person
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:facepalm: 72 pages on this band? The ADTOE thread only has 38 . . . :sad:
Opeth > Dream Theater imo
BC
UMMMM WTFmate? Tis a fact. A fact.
....a NERD. Jay kay. So, I think The Night and The Silent Water is my favorite Opeth song. Weird how I get into Morningrise right as I consider Heritage one of the best things to come from such a massive change in a band like Opeth. Not to say that my love for Heritage has degraded any, but I maybe it took me listening to an album full of clean vocals by the man himself (Damnation doesn't get spun much anymore) to get me to want to listen to the more...harsher albums. Orchid is next.
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So, I think The Night and The Silent Water is my favorite Opeth song. Weird how I get into Morningrise right as I consider Heritage one of the best things to come from such a massive change in a band like Opeth. Not to say that my love for Heritage has degraded any, but I maybe it took me listening to an album full of clean vocals by the man himself (Damnation doesn't get spun much anymore) to get me to want to listen to the more...harsher albums. Orchid is next.
I'm so proud.
*wipes tear of joy from cheek*
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So, I think The Night and The Silent Water is my favorite Opeth song. Weird how I get into Morningrise right as I consider Heritage one of the best things to come from such a massive change in a band like Opeth. Not to say that my love for Heritage has degraded any, but I maybe it took me listening to an album full of clean vocals by the man himself (Damnation doesn't get spun much anymore) to get me to want to listen to the more...harsher albums. Orchid is next.
I'm so proud.
*wipes tear of joy from cheek*
;D :tup
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So, I think The Night and The Silent Water is my favorite Opeth song. Weird how I get into Morningrise right as I consider Heritage one of the best things to come from such a massive change in a band like Opeth. Not to say that my love for Heritage has degraded any, but I maybe it took me listening to an album full of clean vocals by the man himself (Damnation doesn't get spun much anymore) to get me to want to listen to the more...harsher albums. Orchid is next.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_1518.jpg)
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So, I think The Night and The Silent Water is my favorite Opeth song. Weird how I get into Morningrise right as I consider Heritage one of the best things to come from such a massive change in a band like Opeth. Not to say that my love for Heritage has degraded any, but I maybe it took me listening to an album full of clean vocals by the man himself (Damnation doesn't get spun much anymore) to get me to want to listen to the more...harsher albums. Orchid is next.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_1518.jpg)
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lolmorningrise
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T MINUS 7 HOURS
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T MINUS 7 HOURS
Remember to beat off beforehand so you don't climax early.
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The Night and the Silent is a top5 Opeth-song for me probably, it's just SO good.
The acoustic guitars got me hooked right from the first time I heard it, and the heavy climatic part when Mikael whispers the lyrics, that is just so powerful.
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How do people not like Morningrise
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It's too kvlt for them
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because it's Morningrise.
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because it's Morningrise.
You are such a man with words, and truly know how to argue a valid point.
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because it's Morningrise.
You are such a man with words, and truly know how to argue a valid point.
:clap:
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Advent and Black Rose Immortal are stellar Opeth songs.
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How do people not like Morningrise
It's kind of boring.
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Orchid is the only album that I would say meanders to the point where fans might call it boring.
Morningrise is basically Opeth learning to edit.
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Advent and Black Rose Immortal are stellar Opeth songs.
Yep and yep. Orchid is the only album that I would say meanders to the point where fans might call it boring.
hatersgonnhate.gif
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because it's Morningrise.
You are such a man with words, and truly know how to argue a valid point.
>implying I'm being serious in any way whatsoever
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because it's Morningrise.
You are such a man with words, and truly know how to argue a valid point.
>implying I'm being serious in any way whatsoever
>Implying I expect better from you
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Look what I've done...the cycle of destruction.
It begins anew. :corn :metal
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:lol :lol alright you win
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Orchid is the only album that I would say meanders to the point where fans might call it boring.
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I like it, but it's definitely the most convoluted album.
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:lol :lol alright you win
*waves victory flaccid in the sky like the American flag at a fourth of july parade*
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Morningrise has Nectar, which is considered the weakest but my favorite on the album. That alone says something to how consistant Morningrise is.
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Morningrise is probably the Opeth album I have listened to the least.
But with that said, I do like the album, and when I think about it, I should probably listen to it soon again. :)
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I wish folks were more open-minded to the first two albums. They have far more in common with the more-liked Opeth albums than Watershed and Heritage but it seems far more folks wanna insist on being patient with the last two releases so they can warm up to them but seem to think a couple listens are all the first two albums deserve. Seems hypocritical.
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I wish folks were more open-minded to the first two albums. They have far more in common with the more-liked Opeth albums than Watershed and Heritage but it seems far more folks wanna insist on being patient with the last two releases so they can warm up to them but seem to think a couple listens are all the first two albums deserve. Seems hypocritical.
Agreed entirely.
Advent is definitely high on the list of my favourite Opeth songs. The other ones are excellent too. Morningrise isn't flawless and it really takes time to fully grasp, but it's excellent.
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Orchid and Morningrise are both awesome records.
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I wish folks were more open-minded to the first two albums. They have far more in common with the more-liked Opeth albums than Watershed and Heritage but it seems far more folks wanna insist on being patient with the last two releases so they can warm up to them but seem to think a couple listens are all the first two albums deserve. Seems hypocritical.
Beautifully said. After listening to Morningrise so much, I now can't seem to find any reason as to why I shunned it in the first place. Bandwagon mindset, I suppose.
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I wish folks were more open-minded to the first two albums. They have far more in common with the more-liked Opeth albums than Watershed and Heritage but it seems far more folks wanna insist on being patient with the last two releases so they can warm up to them but seem to think a couple listens are all the first two albums deserve. Seems hypocritical.
Well done! Through absolutely no evidence at all you have discovered why some people don't like the first two Opeth albums, completely disregarding alien concepts like "personal opinion," or "preferring the tighter sound, production, and songwriting of everything since MAYH!" Brilliant! Why can't you analyze ALL music lovers or haters? Start with Hayden. I can't figure him out.
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Yes, and of course everyone bashing Orchid/Morningrise always gives a ton of evidence and good arguments. I've seen plenty of that in this thread. ::)
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Honestly, things like "lolorchid" and "lolmorningrise" are said pretty much JUST to troll Alex, who loves them. I'm sure we've had plenty of more serious Orchid/Morningrise debates before. Just assuming people who don't like them MUST be people who keep listening to Watershed/Heritage to eventually like them (which would just be silly) but are hypocrites for not giving Orchid/Morningrise a few extra chances is just baseless and annoying. I haven't even seen any evidence of the sort on the last few pages! :lol
I just don't think Morningrise has that many memorable songs. I can tell you all the bits of TNATSW, I can remember bits of Advent, I can remember bits of Nectar and TBYF, I can't tell you SHIT about what happens in BRI. I feel I've given the album plenty of listens. Maybe I'll revisit it someday, but I just never have the urge to listen to it. Like I said, everything since MAYH has been tighter in almost every respect.
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I wish folks were more open-minded to the first two albums. They have far more in common with the more-liked Opeth albums than Watershed and Heritage but it seems far more folks wanna insist on being patient with the last two releases so they can warm up to them but seem to think a couple listens are all the first two albums deserve. Seems hypocritical.
Well done! Through absolutely no evidence at all you have discovered why some people don't like the first two Opeth albums, completely disregarding alien concepts like "personal opinion," or "preferring the tighter sound, production, and songwriting of everything since MAYH!" Brilliant! Why can't you analyze ALL music lovers or haters? Start with Hayden. I can't figure him out.
Christ... Have a beer. Or ejaculate. It was an observation, a simple thought; not some definite, in depth analysis. Evidence? Disregarded opinions? When someone starts off a post with "I wish...", it's probably a good bet to say that it isn't to be taken like a formal essay. The guy plainly suggested that perhaps if others gave it another chance or let it marinate a little longer that their opinion might change, as mine did. Srs bznss round here.
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I wish folks were more open-minded to the first two albums. They have far more in common with the more-liked Opeth albums than Watershed and Heritage but it seems far more folks wanna insist on being patient with the last two releases so they can warm up to them but seem to think a couple listens are all the first two albums deserve. Seems hypocritical.
Well done! Through absolutely no evidence at all you have discovered why some people don't like the first two Opeth albums, completely disregarding alien concepts like "personal opinion," or "preferring the tighter sound, production, and songwriting of everything since MAYH!" Brilliant! Why can't you analyze ALL music lovers or haters? Start with Hayden. I can't figure him out.
Christ... Have a beer. Or ejaculate. It was an observation, a simple thought; not some definite, in depth analysis. Evidence? Disregarded opinions? When someone starts off a post with "I wish...", it's probably a good bet to say that it isn't to be taken like a formal essay. The guy plainly suggested that perhaps if others gave it another chance or let it marinate a little longer that their opinion might change, as mine did. Srs bznss round here.
Yeah.... SDN, whats been your problem with Black Floyd recently? You're basically attacking him verbally herer and other threads belittling him for giving his fucking say on things.
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I was being mostly sarcastic. But when you're calling a bunch of people hypocrites over really no evidence to support it, it irks me a bit.
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Seriously skydivingninja, what the hell's your problem with me? You jumped my shit completely unprovoked in the R&R HoF thread yesterday and now this. We've never had any harsh words and I've even complimented you on your scarf in the pic where you met Brent Hinds from Mastodon. Without getting personal, I'll seriously ask you: are you just going through some tough times or something? I always notice the worst in my personality tends to rear its ugly head when I have shit bothering me including, at times, when I'm posting online.
Edit: And we've ALL seen numerous posts by O and M dissenters claiming they couldn't make it through more than a couple listens or flatly saying they don't need to keep listening to them to know why those two albums suck.
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I don't have a problem with you! Honestly! Those kind of broad posts that assume how other people MUST think just irk me. I'm just not a fan of broad, baseless generalizations that end with a negative comment like "Sounds hypocritical." As I just said:
Honestly, things like "lolorchid" and "lolmorningrise" are said pretty much JUST to troll Alex, who loves them. I'm sure we've had plenty of more serious Orchid/Morningrise debates before. Just assuming people who don't like them MUST be people who keep listening to Watershed/Heritage to eventually like them (which would just be silly) but are hypocrites for not giving Orchid/Morningrise a few extra chances is just baseless and annoying. I haven't even seen any evidence of the sort on the last few pages! :lol
Now can we PLEASE kiss, make up, and talk more about how much Morningrise sucks? :-*
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I was being mostly sarcastic. But when you're calling a bunch of people hypocrites over really no evidence to support it, it irks me a bit.
I wouldn't say the words "Seems hypocritical" amounts to calling a bunch of people hypocrites, but if you took it as such I can see how... It just seemed a bit overboard. I've always been terrible at detecting sarcasm through text.
Honestly, things like "lolorchid" and "lolmorningrise" are said pretty much JUST to troll Alex, who loves them. I'm sure we've had plenty of more serious Orchid/Morningrise debates before. Just assuming people who don't like them MUST be people who keep listening to Watershed/Heritage to eventually like them (which would just be silly) but are hypocrites for not giving Orchid/Morningrise a few extra chances is just baseless and annoying. I haven't even seen any evidence of the sort on the last few pages! :lol
I just don't think Morningrise has that many memorable songs. I can tell you all the bits of TNATSW, I can remember bits of Advent, I can remember bits of Nectar and TBYF, I can't tell you SHIT about what happens in BRI. I feel I've given the album plenty of listens. Maybe I'll revisit it someday, but I just never have the urge to listen to it. Like I said, everything since MAYH has been tighter in almost every respect.
I agree wholeheartedly with that last statement though. There was a paradigm shift of sorts after Morningrise for sure; the albums are more concise and seem to have a decisive vision.
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Honestly, things like "lolorchid" and "lolmorningrise" are said pretty much JUST to troll Alex, who loves them. I'm sure we've had plenty of more serious Orchid/Morningrise debates before. Just assuming people who don't like them MUST be people who keep listening to Watershed/Heritage to eventually like them (which would just be silly) but are hypocrites for not giving Orchid/Morningrise a few extra chances is just baseless and annoying. I haven't even seen any evidence of the sort on the last few pages! :lol
I just don't think Morningrise has that many memorable songs. I can tell you all the bits of TNATSW, I can remember bits of Advent, I can remember bits of Nectar and TBYF, I can't tell you SHIT about what happens in BRI. I feel I've given the album plenty of listens. Maybe I'll revisit it someday, but I just never have the urge to listen to it. Like I said, everything since MAYH has been tighter in almost every respect.
Cool. But another thing I noticed is that everyone jumped on me when I said I didn't like Heritage after my first listen (and I definitely wasn't the only one who got that after saying he doesn't like it). So it's fine to say Orchid/Morningrise sucks but not Heritage?...
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Heritage came out last week. Orchid/Morningrise came out like forever ago. They had time to grow.
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Yeah, that's a pretty terrible comparison.
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Heritage came out last week. Orchid/Morningrise came out like forever ago. They had time to grow.
Orchid and MR are great, also doesn't change the fact that people who didn't initially or still don't like Heritage basically were getting their opinions shat on themselves.
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It's a great album.
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blahblahblahblahblah Morningrise is a beautiful album.
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Heritage came out last week. Orchid/Morningrise came out like forever ago. They had time to grow.
Orchid and MR are great, also doesn't change the fact that people who didn't initially or still don't like Heritage basically were getting their opinions shat on themselves.
This. I don't care when were they released, this is a very simple matter. It's evil to dislike Heritage because that means you're close-minded blablabla, it's fine to say Orchid and Morningrise sucks.
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Heritage came out last week. Orchid/Morningrise came out like forever ago. They had time to grow.
Orchid and MR are great, also doesn't change the fact that people who didn't initially or still don't like Heritage basically were getting their opinions shat on themselves.
This. I don't care when were they released, this is a very simple matter. It's evil to dislike Heritage because that means you're close-minded blablabla, it's fine to say Orchid and Morningrise sucks.
I love all 3 but this.
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I don't have a problem with you! Honestly! Those kind of broad posts that assume how other people MUST think just irk me. I'm just not a fan of broad, baseless generalizations that end with a negative comment like "Sounds hypocritical."
Well, that's relieving cuz I generally like you as a poster.
Honestly, things like "lolorchid" and "lolmorningrise" are said pretty much JUST to troll Alex, who loves them. I'm sure we've had plenty of more serious Orchid/Morningrise debates before. Just assuming people who don't like them MUST be people who keep listening to Watershed/Heritage to eventually like them (which would just be silly) but are hypocrites for not giving Orchid/Morningrise a few extra chances is just baseless and annoying. I haven't even seen any evidence of the sort on the last few pages! :lol
I wasn't implying that it's the same exact people who dislike the first two that were also being Heritage apologists. I was bummed out that as a fanbase (on DTF anyway) there's so much intolerance for the negative reactions to Heritage whereas it's, by majority, seen as totally fine to just disregard two very well-written albums that happen to be far more similar to the lion's share of the popular Opeth albums than the one that's getting all the rallying and support when it's embattled, Heritage.
Now can we PLEASE kiss, make up, and talk more about how much Morningrise sucks? :-*
:-* /partial homo
Heritage came out last week. Orchid/Morningrise came out like forever ago. They had time to grow.
I assume you were addressing Liberation's post and not mine but just to clarify in case it was my post, I was referencing the segment of folks who say things like "I couldn't even make it past a few listens" or "I seriously doubt any further listening is gonna change my opinion" when I made that post. But if I were to make similar comments regarding Heritage (which I actually dislike less each time) I'm criticized for things like:
1) expecting them to just beat a dead horse and eternally release death metal albums
2) not appreciating the new ideas brought to the table
3) not giving it a fair chance
Sorry if you were addressing Liberace and not me, this was only to address you in case you were addressing me.
Yeah, that's a pretty terrible comparison.
Not under the circumstances I mentioned earlier since they'd both be judged on a similar amount of actual listening time.
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Well, it seems we have the same views on this issue :)
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I'm watching the making of Heritage DVD right now, and the guitarist looks like the short fat guy from Whitest Kids You Know
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I don't know quite if this is the case, but sometimes I get the feeling that maybe some fans are a bit like this:
They start off with a fairly new album, could be the latest or could be 3-4 albums back, but still a fairly modern album.
They start checking out the albums being close in the disco, I can imagine people starting with Heritage to work themselves back one album at the time, and people that starts with BWP probably checks the albums that has come out after.
Eventually there's the first 4 albums left, and I can imagine a lot of people checking out Still Life and MAYH because a lot of people here really praise them, so a bit of curiosity is not that surprising.
But then we get to Morningrise and Orchid, and as much as I like them, they have been in an uphill battle here on DTF since like forever, and I can imagine people maybe not check them out so much, just because they don't "need" it, or something.
They still have 7-8 other Opeth albums perhaps, and maybe they don't think it's worth shattering the image of Opeth as being very high quality and solid, by listening to an album that a lot of people diss. :P
Again, this is just hypothetical.
Another example we could do is Porcupine Tree, where most people start with probably In Absentia, Deadwing, LBS or maybe Stupid Dream.
When they get to know the discography post-Signify, I think there are quite a few who don't work their way back more, and it really shows in survivors and such.
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For me, both with PT and Opeth, it's been mostly like that. Getting into these bands that have 8+ albums takes some time, I personally like to get into a maximum of 3-4 albums at a time and I usually don't consider it "assimilated" until I know it pretty well - for me that means knowing most songs by name, being able to identify a song when hearing it, being able to remember most of a song off the top of my head... that takes time, so by the time I've done it with the most recent 5-6 albums I need a change of pace/band and it becomes tiresome to start again with the older stuff, especially when people don't speak as highly of it as with the recent albums.
I'm getting into older PT and I'm loving it now, but I've needed almost two years since my first PT phase in which I got into Signify to FOABP to start this process again. With Opeth, I've gotten into Still Life but considering growls aren't really my thing, I'm sort of content with 5 growling albums and I don't feel the rush to try the first three, though I will do it eventually.
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I don't know quite if this is the case, but sometimes I get the feeling that maybe some fans are a bit like this:
They start off with a fairly new album, could be the latest or could be 3-4 albums back, but still a fairly modern album.
They start checking out the albums being close in the disco, I can imagine people starting with Heritage to work themselves back one album at the time, and people that starts with BWP probably checks the albums that has come out after.
Eventually there's the first 4 albums left, and I can imagine a lot of people checking out Still Life and MAYH because a lot of people here really praise them, so a bit of curiosity is not that surprising.
But then we get to Morningrise and Orchid, and as much as I like them, they have been in an uphill battle here on DTF since like forever, and I can imagine people maybe not check them out so much, just because they don't "need" it, or something.
They still have 7-8 other Opeth albums perhaps, and maybe they don't think it's worth shattering the image of Opeth as being very high quality and solid, by listening to an album that a lot of people diss. :P
Again, this is just hypothetical.
Another example we could do is Porcupine Tree, where most people start with probably In Absentia, Deadwing, LBS or maybe Stupid Dream.
When they get to know the discography post-Signify, I think there are quite a few who don't work their way back more, and it really shows in survivors and such.
For me, both with PT and Opeth, it's been mostly like that. Getting into these bands that have 8+ albums takes some time, I personally like to get into a maximum of 3-4 albums at a time and I usually don't consider it "assimilated" until I know it pretty well - for me that means knowing most songs by name, being able to identify a song when hearing it, being able to remember most of a song off the top of my head... that takes time, so by the time I've done it with the most recent 5-6 albums I need a change of pace/band and it becomes tiresome to start again with the older stuff, especially when people don't speak as highly of it as with the recent albums.
I'm getting into older PT and I'm loving it now, but I've needed almost two years since my first PT phase in which I got into Signify to FOABP to start this process again. With Opeth, I've gotten into Still Life but considering growls aren't really my thing, I'm sort of content with 5 growling albums and I don't feel the rush to try the first three, though I will do it eventually.
I can definitely understand and respect the points y'all brought up Zantera and Xanthul. Feels good to get this topic of discussion back to a less-heated vibe.
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I stopped at My Arms Your Hearse because I didn't like most of the songs on that (initially, I liked it all, but the more time I spent with it, the less I found much of it very strong) and giving the earlier albums a few sample listens, they didn't seem so good either, so I never really bothered.
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I like all of Opeth's albums, although I think they really started to improve when Martin Lopez joined the band. Orchid and Morningrise are good albums, don't get me wrong, but the production values were also kind of full. Then My Arms, Your Hearse sounded so much better and Lopez, man, for a guy who plays a little bit too far in the pocket sometimes, I really always liked his style (even though I like the new guy even better)
I've been on a serious Opeth and Dream Theater kick lately, going through their back catalogs. I had forgotten how much I really liked those early Opeth albums.
And the new one is brilliant, but I think it's almost like a different band now.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
You keep thinking that, my friend :tup
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Opinions, how do they work?
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Axe is a fine drummer, but Lopez was so much better. Understandable why he left though.
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Axe is a fine drummer, but Lopez was so much better. Understandable why he left though.
This. I can't help but think that Heritage would have been so much better had he been involved.
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T MINUS 7 HOURS
Where's your concert review, incoherent clusterfuck of letters?
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Opeth fucking slayed last night.
It was really odd being there kinda by myself (since DarkEnternalNight had a vip pass and was basically front row during the entire show), but I dealt with it. I talk to a few cool people. There were also a lot of really shitty people there as well. One of the guys in front of me clearly wanted to hear some heavy songs and wanted to mosh or something. (no one else wanted to...) He kept hitting me in the face with his hair as he was headbanging and it was annoying. Also later in the show some drunk guy puked on the floor next to me.
Other than all that bullshit it was a fucking great show.
Highlights of the show: I Feel the Dark, Face of Melinda, A Fair Judgement, Hex Omega, Folklore
EDIT: I also took only like 4 pics, but they're pretty awesome so I'll upload.
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Some of them turned out horrible, but whatever.
(https://i.imgur.com/0oyEU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4em8g.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uE72j.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qFcA0.jpg)
This one's Katatonia:
(https://i.imgur.com/g8nyB.jpg)
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Great, thanks. If I keep reading positive reviews I will probably end up going (alone though, I don't think my wife will enjoy this).
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Honestly, it seems like the album has gone down better than expected. I know a lot of Opeth fans aren't digging it, but critical reviews have been good and their shows seem to be going really well.
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Yeah, I forgot the mention there were A LOT of butthurt metal fans last night, particularly the guy in front of me that kept hitting me in the face with his hair.
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Was it clean and conditioned at least? Maybe he just wanted you to sniff it and give props where props are due.
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I bet it was Troy Polamalu
(https://sportsbiz.biz/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/troy.jpg)
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:rollin :rollin
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Boundless energy too.
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His drum solo last night was incredible.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Boundless energy too.
Thats one thing that really made Heritage click for me. I was Air Drumming 80% of the time, even while driving.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CEVePFfvJ0
The Devil's Orchard from last night's show.
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The main riff in that song so fucking badass :metal
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Lol. It's music dude.. It doesn't matter if you're not exactly on the click. In fact, it makes your playing more human. That said, Axe is doing a fantastic job on Heritage. :tup
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Yeah, last night's concert was perfect.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Lol. It's music dude.. It doesn't matter if you're not exactly on the click. In fact, it makes your playing more human. That said, Axe is doing a fantastic job on Heritage. :tup
If that's the case then Lars Ulrich should audition for White Zombie cuz he's more human than human.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Sloppy? Since when?
My impression from day 1 is that Lopez was subtle and masterful whilst Axe only has one degree of how hard he can hit the drums. Watershed's drumming? Easily the worst part of the album, give me Ghost Reveries any day, some of the best metal drumming full stop.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Sloppy? Since when?
My impression from day 1 is that Lopez was subtle and masterful whilst Axe only has one degree of how hard he can hit the drums. Watershed's drumming? Easily the worst part of the album, give me Ghost Reveries any day, some of the best metal drumming full stop.
Watershed's drumming was certainly not the worst part of the album. Nothing was.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Sloppy? Since when?
My impression from day 1 is that Lopez was subtle and masterful whilst Axe only has one degree of how hard he can hit the drums. Watershed's drumming? Easily the worst part of the album, give me Ghost Reveries any day, some of the best metal drumming full stop.
Watershed's drumming was certainly not the worst part of the album. Nothing was.
Care to give an actual comment instead of just circlejerking Watershed?
I haven't even touched the tease that is Porcelain Heart.
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How can you prefer Axe over Lopez? Lopez is miles ahead.
Er, it's just a taste thing, bro. Lopez, actually, tends to play a little sloppy and behind the click. I've seen him live a few times and don't get me wrong, I love the guy's style, but the new guy is like a human metronome.
Sloppy? Since when?
My impression from day 1 is that Lopez was subtle and masterful whilst Axe only has one degree of how hard he can hit the drums. Watershed's drumming? Easily the worst part of the album, give me Ghost Reveries any day, some of the best metal drumming full stop.
Watershed's drumming was certainly not the worst part of the album. Nothing was.
Care to give an actual comment instead of just circlejerking Watershed?
I haven't even touched the tease that is Porcelain Heart.
I'm not going to give you a fucking analysis of an album that I really like because you're slating the drumming with out any basis.
And I'm listening to some Cliff Burton clips right now, so bass is just rumbling in my mind right now.
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Oh hey, look there are people saying that Axe will never be as good as Lopez.
I must be back in 2007.
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Oh hey, look there are people saying that Axe will never be as good as Lopez.
I must be back in 2007.
Thank you.
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Oh hey, look there are people saying that Axe will never be as good as Lopez.
I must be back in 2007.
Oh hey, look another sarcastic post from Zantera.
I must be in every day of the week.
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:lol
Honestly though, this discussion really takes me back.
I remember when Axe joined, and people bitched so much about how he would never be as kvlt or badass as Lopez, and that he would certainly ruin Opeth.
After that Watershed came out, and now Heritage, and honestly.. I don't think I've heard any people do the drummer-discussion up until the stuff in this thread. :biggrin:
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His drum solo last night was incredible.
There's drum solos on this tour? UUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Why do you suck so much?
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Sorry, but drum solos (and really most pure solo performances in the middle of concerts) are boring as shit, especially drum solos. I'm not sure I've ever seen a drum solo I've legitimately enjoyed.
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Sorry, but drum solos (and really most pure solo performances in the middle of concerts) are boring as shit, especially drum solos. I'm not sure I've ever seen a drum solo I've legitimately enjoyed.
That is just fucking wrong. Holy shit.
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Sorry, but drum solos (and really most pure solo performances in the middle of concerts) are boring as shit, especially drum solos. I'm not sure I've ever seen a drum solo I've legitimately enjoyed.
But Neil Peart.....
Also, Mangini's was pretty good at the DT show last week.
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Sorry, but drum solos (and really most pure solo performances in the middle of concerts) are boring as shit, especially drum solos. I'm not sure I've ever seen a drum solo I've legitimately enjoyed.
This.
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I can appreciate solo spots as a musician because it's usually a nice display of some impressive chops, but yeah it's usually take a piss or get another beer time for me. Even Peart's.
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You guys are nuts, I just stand in awe.
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Eh, if my drink was more than half full or I didn't have to take a leak I probably would to.
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Oh hey, look there are people saying that Axe will never be as good as Lopez.
I must be back in 2007.
I don't think he is. I think Opeth suffers slightly from the replacement.
On the other hand, Akesson improved Opeth's technicality on Watershed without it being wanky.
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We must not be listening to the same drummer as Axe is phenomenal and even more so on Heritage.
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Lopez was sloppy at least sometimes, around the 2.40 and 3.30 marks in this video he has some trouble with rhythm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiyjsC9-P6c
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Ok guys, I've given this album like 7 spins, and gone from not liking it, to kinda liking it, to not liking it again.
How many chances do I need to give this?
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Ok guys, I've given this album like 7 spins, and gone from not liking it, to kinda liking it, to not liking it again.
How many chances do I need to give this?
Take it on a drive. That's what made it a :heart :heart album for me, driving around works wonders for multiple things.
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Sorry, but drum solos (and really most pure solo performances in the middle of concerts) are boring as shit, especially drum solos. I'm not sure I've ever seen a drum solo I've legitimately enjoyed.
This.
That.
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Normally I don't care much for solos.
Can't really say why, but it all depends on how 'tasteful' it is I guess.
The few times I have actually loved a random drum/guitar-solo or whatever, is when it kinda builds up and fades into the intro to a song, if done well, I think that can be pretty rad.
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Normally I don't care much for solos.
Can't really say why, but it all depends on how 'tasteful' it is I guess.
The few times I have actually loved a random drum/guitar-solo or whatever, is when it kinda builds up and fades into the intro to a song, if done well, I think that can be pretty rad.
I agree!
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Speaking of drum solos, remember MP's solo from Images in Words: Live in Tokyo? Was the By Demons Be Driven riff piped in or was JP playing it off stage?
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Ok guys, I've given this album like 7 spins, and gone from not liking it, to kinda liking it, to not liking it again.
How many chances do I need to give this?
Looks like you just don't like it, bud.
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So that drum solo was intentional? He did it during Porcelain Heart and Frederik had left the stage for a bit, so I just figured something went wrong.
Yeah, so Opeth are pretty great live. I was pleasantly surprised by how heavy I Feel the Dark, A Fair Judgment, and Slither turned out to be live. Highlights were definitely Folklore, Credence, Face of Melinda, Slither, and A Fair Judgment.
Some funny moments:
-Dude crowdsurfing during Slither. Decided to crowdsurf again during quiet bits of AFJ. Came down my aisle mumbling "Fucking bullshit, telling me I can't fucking crowdsurf at a fucking concert." He stumbled back near the front row, Mikael applauded him for crowdsurfing, and told him to do it again. He did and fell on his head during the first words of Hex Omega. Mikael kept laughing so much he forgot the lyrics.
-Little bit of Deliverance, acoustic-style.
-Mikael having dinner with the blonde singer from ABBA. Apparently she is hot, and Mikael would fuck her.
-After the acoustic set: "Thank you for being patient with us"
-"I can't help it if I'm a fucking genius!"
But seriously, Opeth fans can be obnoxious. Every time there was a quiet bit there was a dude in dreadlocks right in front of me shouting "FUCK FUCKING YEAH" and was headbanging like crazy during closure. This wouldn't be a problem if his possibly-nasty dreads didn't turn into whips. There was another obnoxious guy who wanted to hear either "Deliverance" or "Something with testicles, please." There were a group of people who wouldn't shut the fuck up during the quiet bits...grrrr, just kind of frustrating. The band put on a great show though. The only letdown was "The Throat of Winter."
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I finally got the CD+DVD edition, I won't be able to check it until monday probably but I put the DVD to get a glimpse of the surround mix and I have to say Mikael's voice is AWESOME on the DVD. It's gonna be hard to wait 2 days to check all of it like it deserves.
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Oh God, I've sinned. I'mma big 'ole sinner. I'd forgotten the holiness that is Dirge For November. Mmm... How I wish Texas wasn't a melting pot of SHIT AND SCALDING HEAT. That way I could actually enjoy Fall as it's meant to be and listen to this fall-y music. But not, God says "You've forgotten, young one. Now you must pay the price HERRRRRITIIIIIIC!". Meanie.
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Well, November isn't even here yet so you've got time.
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That's true, I'm safe for now. But the gods of musica mayhaps smite my ass whilst I listen during said month. I fear for that time, for such a song cannot not be played at least once every few days.
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Dat intro! DAT OUTRO!!!
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:dangerwillrobinson:
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Ok guys, I've given this album like 7 spins, and gone from not liking it, to kinda liking it, to not liking it again.
How many chances do I need to give this?
Well, obviously, that's up to you. Personally, I am kind of "meh" on it overall, but I think it has some moments of brilliance. The problem for me is one of focus. More specifically, the album often seems to lack focus. I get free jazz and ambiance, I really do. But the quiet moments drag on a bit too long sometimes and I just don't have the attention span to keep listening without fast forwarding 30 or 40 seconds or more to get to the interesting bits.
Take a track like "Famine" (possibly the best track on the album) I think the intro is a bit too long, even though I really like the idea, it's just that there was no reason for that percussion stuff to last 1:27 before the piano introduces the first melodic theme. It doesn't help that "Häxprocess" drones on at the end before it......
If they're going to continue in this direction, and it seems that's what they want to do now, I think they need to find a balance between the ambiance and the prog/melodic stuff. The metal albums had a better flow, I thought.
I've spun this one about 30 times now, and while I certainly enjoy it for what it is, I think Opeth can do better.
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I don't think Heritage necessarily means that this is the road Opeth will be continuing on, because Mikael is a very spontaneous person, from one day to another it can change a lot with him.
So yeah, after 2 years of touring or something, it will be interesting to see what they will bring out next. :)
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Ok guys, I've given this album like 7 spins, and gone from not liking it, to kinda liking it, to not liking it again.
How many chances do I need to give this?
Take a track like "Famine" (possibly the best track on the album) I think the intro is a bit too long, even though I really like the idea, it's just that there was no reason for that percussion stuff to last 1:27 before the piano introduces the first melodic theme. It doesn't help that "Häxprocess" drones on at the end before it......
The end of "Häxprocess" is one of my favorite parts of the whole album. It's one of those stretches that separates Opeth from some of my other favorite metal bands, like Amorphis and Dream Theater.
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Yeah i want growly death Opeth back, sorry Mikael.
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Yeah i want growly death Opeth back, sorry Mikael.
Can't say I don't want the same. It's just too sexy. But that's not to say that the softer, more experimental/jazzy style isn't. I hope the band finds a happy medium and this phase of not doing any growls, even in concert, is apart of a larger phase; because while I still dig the new style very much so, it'd be a shame to leave behind their back catalog altogether. But hey, age is a bitch and if he can't growl all that well anymore or it doesn't sound the way he wants it to sound then that's his descision and I'm inclined to agree if that's the reason. I'd rather have him not go back to it at all than have him drag himself across the floor for fans when his voice isn't up to par. We'll see... I hope we hear that lovely gurgle again.
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I actually enjoy this album quite a bit more than I thought I would.
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Yeah i want growly death Opeth back, sorry Mikael.
Can't say I don't want the same. It's just too sexy. But that's not to say that the softer, more experimental/jazzy style isn't. I hope the band finds a happy medium and this phase of not doing any growls, even in concert, is apart of a larger phase; because while I still dig the new style very much so, it'd be a shame to leave behind their back catalog altogether. But hey, age is a bitch and if he can't growl all that well anymore or it doesn't sound the way he wants it to sound then that's his descision and I'm inclined to agree if that's the reason. I'd rather have him not go back to it at all than have him drag himself across the floor for fans when his voice isn't up to par. We'll see... I hope we hear that lovely gurgle again.
I somewhat agree. I know I'm gonna get crucified for this but I'd be fine with Mike handling clean vox and having someone whom is capable of getting close to his growling intensity/style handle the roaring. Better yet, make sure that dude can sing and play simultaneoudly and then it'll help them get much closer to faithfully reproducing all the parts of their songs that involve 3+ guitar parts.
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Yeah i want growly death Opeth back, sorry Mikael.
Can't say I don't want the same. It's just too sexy. But that's not to say that the softer, more experimental/jazzy style isn't. I hope the band finds a happy medium and this phase of not doing any growls, even in concert, is apart of a larger phase; because while I still dig the new style very much so, it'd be a shame to leave behind their back catalog altogether. But hey, age is a bitch and if he can't growl all that well anymore or it doesn't sound the way he wants it to sound then that's his descision and I'm inclined to agree if that's the reason. I'd rather have him not go back to it at all than have him drag himself across the floor for fans when his voice isn't up to par. We'll see... I hope we hear that lovely gurgle again.
I somewhat agree. I know I'm gonna get crucified for this but I'd be fine with Mike handling clean vox and having someone whom is capable of getting close to his growling intensity/style handle the roaring. Better yet, make sure that dude can sing and play simultaneoudly and then it'll help them get much closer to faithfully reproducing all the parts of their songs that involve 3+ guitar parts.
If that were the case, as long as he got someone up to the task, I don't see anyone but butt hurt fans getting mad at something like that.
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He can do growls fine still apparently.
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Everyone shut the fuck up
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Everyone shut the fuck up
Step off lettuce.
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He can do growls fine still apparently.
Link a recent clip to back this up. Ever since Watershed his actual voice has been showing through the growls more and more and I don't think he's doing that intentionally.
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I just finished watching the "making of" DVD and in it, Akerfeldt says he still loves the growls and how they will still figure in the future of Opeth, but he simply felt that they didn't have a place on Heritage and they musical direction they were taking on this record.
Mikael even mentioned his excitement as to the possibilities of what the eleventh album will sound like and how he has never felt that way before.
:metal
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I'd be ok if they decided to abandon death metal and growls if they no longer feel like recording new stuff in that direction, but I just have two important issues:
1) I really dislike it when he obviously says that the album is inspired by this or that (meaning the '70s in case of Heritage), that really gives me the feeling the album is "Opeth recording an album which sounds like...", and not "Opeth recording a new Opeth album".
2) Still play the older heavy songs. Maybe less, but still. On this year's festivals the setlists were mostly heavy, so you won't convince me they no longer like playing those.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I was just about to mention the same thing as well.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
inb4 debates
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I agree that Heritage still sounds like Opeth.
Also, the weather has gotten cold here and Fall is setting in, so I'm definitely enjoying Opeth (and Heritage) even more now. I love how the atmosphere of most of their songs and albums just suits Fall and Winter so well.
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Can we talk about things that aren't the same 4 discussions about Heritage? Is that possible?
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Mikael even mentioned his excitement as to the possibilities of what the eleventh album will sound like and how he has never felt that way before.
This scares the fuck out of me.
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Let's talk about how miserably the people who don't like Orchid and/or Morningrise fail.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
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I really don't even think it sounds that much like anything from the 70's.
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Ok, so after spending some time with this album this weekend, I like it.
I don't *love* it. But I don't *hate* it either. It's OK. They're doing some cool things here, but like others have said everything feels like it stretches on just a little bit too long. It doesn't help that Grace for Drowning is so much better than this album in every way. :biggrin:
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Mikael even mentioned his excitement as to the possibilities of what the eleventh album will sound like and how he has never felt that way before.
This scares the fuck out of me.
How so? If he is this enthusiastic, It could lead to him writing a masterpiece of hithero unknown grandure and I am all for that.
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I really don't even think it sounds that much like anything from the 70's.
And what did I write? :p
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I really don't even think it sounds that much like anything from the 70's.
And what did I write? :p
Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much.
It sure seems like you were saying it sounds like something from the 70s to me.
But I was talking to everyone in the thread, not just you. Otherwise I would have quoted you.
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The only thing that sounds 70s is that terrible flute solo.
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WAT
I love the use of flute on that song.
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WAT
I love the use of flute on that song.
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It sure seems like you were saying it sounds like something from the 70s to me.
But I was talking to everyone in the thread, not just you. Otherwise I would have quoted you.
What I meant is doesn't really matter how it sounds (as you can't measure that or anything) but imo Mikael completely unnecessarily made it sound like the album is "Opeth playing the '70s" and I dislike that.
Also, I often don't quote if I answer a post right above mine, it seems a bit redundant, and it sounded like referring to me... But never mind.
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WAT
I love the use of flute on that song.
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WAT
I love the use of flute on that song.
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I hate flutes. Sorry.
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Had the pleasure of seeing Opeth yesterday at the House of Blues in Orlando. Was a fantastic show! I've grown to really love Heritage, and call the album one of their best, so perhaps I'm a little biased. Some of the fans were obnoxious, yelling for more "death metal" and moshing during moments that didn't really call for it.
There was an incident during A Fair Judgment, the soft piano moment right before that soul-crushing outro riff comes in, that some people were trying to get the mosh started and some other guy was yelling at them to "cool it." So these folks were yelling back and forth while Mikael is trying to sing nice and mellow. In the song, Mikael sings the word "heeeeeeeeeeeere" before the riff begins. But during the show, he sang, "whatthefuckisgoingondowntheeeeeerreeeeee?" It cracked the audience up and relieved the tension immediately. It was a great live moment.
He also did bring up the moment he laughed during Hex Omega, and couldn't sing. No problems this night though.
I really do hope there's a live release of this material down the road. The album sounds fine for the most part, but it's missing that extra bite that I got out of the live presentation. Songs like Devil's Orchard, Slither and Folklore rocked so much harder. The minor extended soloing during the outro of Folklore was icing on the cake. I've seen Opeth 4 times (including last night), but I think this has been my favorite show so far, despite the somewhat unruly audience members.
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I love the use of flute on that song.
As for someone else doing growls, or anyone else even attempting to step up to the plate... Color my asshole red cause I'd be so fucking butthurt over that. Like a horse-cock with no lube. He's the sole reason I got into Opeth, so it may be different for me personally but I just don't see Opeth as Opeth without Akerfeldt. I mean, the word 'mad' doesn't fit, because it isn't as if I'd shun the band, but it would be very, very difficult for me to accept someone else taking the lead, even temporarily. They'd have to go through a gang-initiated ritual that includes much bloodshed and many animal carcases. Perhaps boiling wax. Either way, I don't like the idea.
Truly, Akerfeldt and Labrie are two men who've changed my life; and as cheesy and bullshit-filled as it may sound, I really mean it. To see either take a step back in any direction would be a let down to me; I can't say the same for any other band (I lied, Porcupine Tree. Kdone). Admitting that makes me shrink a bit but hell if it isn't true. But hey, I am happy as long as he is inspired and having fun; such a mindset usually produces the most enjoyable music whatever the genre may be. To hear he can still do growls though makes me oh so giddy, I confess. I am a man torn in two, but whichever way it goes I can't imagine not enjoying Opeth's music entirely.
@Randal: That is so good to hear, I'd really love to see them this tour but I don't see it happening. I've seen Opeth twice and both times were absolutely perfect; my favorite performances. Alright, I'm beginning to disgust even myself with this ass-kissing. I'm gonna go brush my teeth, my lips are brown.
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Let's talk about how miserably the people who don't like Orchid and/or Morningrise fail.
:metal
Also off topic, I burnt my girlfriend a copy of Heritage and she said she really likes it so far! :heart
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
And there, in a nutshell, is why Heritage doesn't work for me. It's "Opeth does a 70s prog album", not "a progressive rock Opeth album." The two are different things entirely.
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I sure hope no assholes come to the Opeth show I'm attending and fuck it up. Otherwise two things might happen:
1. I take a random girl from the audience, drag her in front of the asshole, and strangle her to death. Once I'm done, I look at the asshole, point at them and say, 'This is all your fault', and walk away.
2. I complain about it on the internet.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
And there, in a nutshell, is why Heritage doesn't work for me. It's "Opeth does a 70s prog album", not "a progressive rock Opeth album." The two are different things entirely.
I feel like if Opeth never gave the album that label, no one would care this much about it.
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Not a day has gone by that I haven't remembered how heavy the ending of "A Fair Judgment" was live. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN HERITAGE
RAGE... RAGE EVERYWHERE
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
And there, in a nutshell, is why Heritage doesn't work for me. It's "Opeth does a 70s prog album", not "a progressive rock Opeth album." The two are different things entirely.
I feel like if Opeth never gave the album that label, no one would care this much about it.
Yep, that's kinda what I mean. It's not as obvious influence as Pain of Salvation with Road Salt, when I first heard The Devil's Orchard my first thought was "the quiet part reminds me of Ghost Reveries".
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I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN HERITAGE
RAGE... RAGE EVERYWHERE
WTF
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I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN HERITAGE
RAGE... RAGE EVERYWHERE
WTF
Just sent them an email: "I still have not received my copy of Heritage. I'll be calling my bank tomorrow if I don't get it."
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RYAN MAD!
RYAN SMASH!
No but seriously, that's fucking bullshit. I would have demanded my money back at this point.
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I'm emailing a guy from roadrunner right now. He says "It is in transit according to USPS." But when I asked him for the tracking number he said "There is no tracking on first class mail, sorry man. that would make my life alot easier too :)"
the fuck is this shit
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I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN HERITAGE
RAGE... RAGE EVERYWHERE
WTF
Just sent them an email: "I still have not received my copy of Heritage. I'll be calling my bank tomorrow if I don't get it."
I just for mine on Saturday through bestbuy.com. I placed my order on the 16th so I was very pissed to say the least. To put icing on the cake my passcode for the mp3 downloads doesn't work and nor does loading the DVD. I want my bonus tracks dammit!
Ok so far I've listened to it 3 times and I have mixed feelings about it. I like it and I hate it. It sounds nothing like Opeth yet it sounds like Opeth. I love and hate the jazz. I think need to listen to it a few more times so I'll either love it, or go completely mad.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
And there, in a nutshell, is why Heritage doesn't work for me. It's "Opeth does a 70s prog album", not "a progressive rock Opeth album." The two are different things entirely.
Apart from the production style, nothing on the album sounds 70s to me. I'd like someone to find me a 70s album that sounds ANYTHING like that. :lol
I wonder if Mikael had never said anything about the 70s influence and merely mentioned the lack of growls (to manage expectations) whether people would feel so strongly that way. Obviously the influence is hardly subtle in the way the drums and guitar in particular sound, but I think if it was less expected people would probably find the idea more exciting.
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So yeah Orchid is still a good album. Gave it a rare spin last night. I rarely feel like it since most of Opeth's catalog overshadows it, but its better than Morningrise and Damnation and deserves a couple of listens every now and then. :metal
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
And there, in a nutshell, is why Heritage doesn't work for me. It's "Opeth does a 70s prog album", not "a progressive rock Opeth album." The two are different things entirely.
Apart from the production style, nothing on the album sounds 70s to me. I'd like someone to find me a 70s album that sounds ANYTHING like that. :lol
I wonder if Mikael had never said anything about the 70s influence and merely mentioned the lack of growls (to manage expectations) whether people would feel so strongly that way. Obviously the influence is hardly subtle in the way the drums and guitar in particular sound, but I think if it was less expected people would probably find the idea more exciting.
Exactly,It justs sounds like a mellow Opeth album with some jazzy/proggy elements. If there were Rick Wakeman solos all over the place then I'd understand.
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After all that bullshit with Roadrunner, I just got refunded for Heritage because I still haven't gotten it. Going to pick it up from Best Buy today.
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Whilst I still like it a lot, Heritage has grown on me the least out of any Opeth album after my first listen.
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So, any of you guys planning on seeing Opeth at Manchester in November? Me, Jon, and two of my friends are going down straight after school then staying overnight.
Jon is being classed as the responsible adult because he's over eighteen.
Hilarity ensues.
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I don't see anything on the new album that isn't Opeth. Yeah it sounds like 70s prog rock but it's still inherently Opeth.
I'm not denying that. But I just feel the "aura" of "we wanted to make a '70s album" too much. With every previous album, it was just Opeth recording their new album. With Heritage they gave it an unnecessary label.
And there, in a nutshell, is why Heritage doesn't work for me. It's "Opeth does a 70s prog album", not "a progressive rock Opeth album." The two are different things entirely.
Apart from the production style, nothing on the album sounds 70s to me. I'd like someone to find me a 70s album that sounds ANYTHING like that. :lol
I wonder if Mikael had never said anything about the 70s influence and merely mentioned the lack of growls (to manage expectations) whether people would feel so strongly that way. Obviously the influence is hardly subtle in the way the drums and guitar in particular sound, but I think if it was less expected people would probably find the idea more exciting.
He definitely mentioned that before the album release many times, and he wasn't exactly subtle in saying how superior the '70s are to anything else according to him recently.
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Yeah he talked about it loads, I meant IF he hadn't done so, would people have reacted so strongly? I don't really know but it's food for thought.
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Possibly not, like I said it's the label he gave the album himself that bothered me quite a bit.
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Yeah exactly, I think he shot himself in the foot a bit and ended up putting some people off who may have liked the album more otherwise. :lol
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Yeah Mikael Akerfeldt also doesn't like By the Pain I See in Others so that means I have to be more critical towards it yeah makes total sense.
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He also doesn't like a lot of the stuff on Morningrise, that's the only reason I hate it.
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You guys totally fucking understood my point.
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I got it, I'm just trollin' Lat.
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You guys totally fucking understood my point.
Pleasure my phallus
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I got it, I'm just trollin' Lat.
Ok. :P
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Yeah he talked about it loads, I meant IF he hadn't done so, would people have reacted so strongly? I don't really know but it's food for thought.
I think I mentioned this before, but I honestly believe that if he hadn't done so, people would not have reacted so strongly to it, the same way that if Mike Portnoy never proclaimed his dissatisfaction with Falling into Infinity, the album's overall status would not be as bad.
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Listened to Heritage today, and I found a legitimate problem with it: the heavy parts do NOT sound heavy. Live, I Feel the Dark, Slither, and the Devil's Orchard were fucking heavy. Listening to the album today it all felt a bit too tame.
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Listened to Heritage today, and I found a legitimate problem with it: the heavy parts do NOT sound heavy. Live, I Feel the Dark, Slither, and the Devil's Orchard were fucking heavy. Listening to the album today it all felt a bit too tame.
Yeah that's the thing with the production style. No 70s albums really sound very heavy, but every account I've read or heard of gigs at the time tell me that the sound live was huge.
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Black Sabbath is heavy as fuck, and they were early 70s.
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Yeah the music is but the sound isn't heavy whatsoever. That's exactly my point.
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God damn it, that made me want to see them live oh so terribly (more so); I think some parts (very few) of Heritage feel very heavy. Especially the 'mother of lies' section in I Feel The Dark. With that said, I can see how it would sound so much heavier live, and that makes my shorts a bit snug. I really love the album, but I can't say I wouldn't love it if there were a few more heavier parts. Gr...I must find a way to see them!!
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Yeah the music is but the sound isn't heavy whatsoever. That's exactly my point.
Well, I guess that's subjective. Those early songs (War Pigs, Black Sabbath, NIB) definitely had a sonically heavy sound (to me at least).
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I guess I will add in my two cents regarding Heritage.
I must say this album turned out to be somewhat of a dissapointment for me.
Beyond all the bickering about a change of sound and the loss of Opeth's signature Progressive Death Metal style, I feel that the songs just aren't there on Heritage.
I also find that the album doesn't flow very well. I'm not really sure how this could have been avoided. I don't think the instrumental tracks work particularly well as bookmarks to the other songs. Folklore has such a monster ending, perhaps it would have been a better way to end the album.
Has anyone else noticed how cold and inhuman this album sounds? I think that's quite interesting considering Mikael talked about using less editing, less guitar distortion and less instrument processing to create a more human sounding record.
The irony is that Heritage is in my opinion the coldests and most inhuman sounding record that Opeth have released.
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I think Heritage sounds warm and earthy, but whatever.
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Yeah, it definitely sounds earthy, like Watershed and Ghost Reveries
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I think Heritage sounds warm and earthy, but whatever.
Agreed, there's nothing cold about it. Especially the guitars seems sometimes lush and sometimes edgy. I love the variation and experimentation. Big difference from before where Opeth basically had three guitar sounds - overdrive, clean and acoustic.
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I've been listening to more Opeth frequently. Listening to Live at the Royal Albert Hall album right now. :metal
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Has anyone else noticed how cold and inhuman this album sounds? I think that's quite interesting considering Mikael talked about using less editing, less guitar distortion and less instrument processing to create a more human sounding record.
The irony is that Heritage is in my opinion the coldests and most inhuman sounding record that Opeth have released.
ever listened to Deliverance?
i find Heritage very warm indeed. a bit stark, compared to the more layered guitar sound they usually have, but full-bodied. even the drums are comfortable temperatures!
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Whoa whoa whoa
Wait a minute.
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When did Charlie Day start playing bass for Opeth?!?!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Martin_Mendez.png)
(https://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/Charlie_Day-2.jpg)
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Haha. :lol That was in the Watershed era. I'm pretty sure he's grown his hair back out. Thank God. You can't no-no headbang without that gorgeous flowing hair of his.
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Yeah... his hair is definitely long again (just saw them live a couple of weeks ago). It's an older pic, but I wasn't made aware of the resemblance until recently...
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Man, I have always thought that. Even when I first got into Opeth and saw him with his long hair, I just immediately started cracking up because so many flippin' Philidelphia scenes played in my mind whilst Opeth played in the background.
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Martin Mendez for President of the Pickle Party.
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I have beer shooting through my nostrils from spontaneous laughter if Mendez just interrupted MÅ talking to the crowd in that high-pitched, stuttering, chaotic fast-talking way Charlie does.
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I have beer shooting through my nostrils from spontaneous laughter if Mendez just interrupted MÅ talking to the crowd in that high-pitched, stuttering, chaotic fast-talking way Charlie does.
:omg:
:rollin
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Oops! I meant "I would have beer shooting through my nostrils..."
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Damn, and I was really turned on thinking it was happening right now.
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Hey, hey! Let's not be so quick to close the book on this. I'm quite fetching with Young's Double Chocolate Stout cascading from my schnozz.
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:caffeine:
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So this is definatley my favourite Opeth album, I love it.
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Been enjoying nepenthe a lot.
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I liked Heritage on the first listen, Loved it on the second and simply adored it after the third :metal
Now I want a Fender Rhodes :biggrin:
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Folklore is awesome! Definitely my favourite on the album!
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
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This album is now battling for 2nd place on my favorite Opeth albums list. The more I listen to it, the more I love it.
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
This, but then I realised it's just Be Prepared from the Lion King.
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This album is incredible, AOTY so far for me.
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
This, but then I realised it's just Be Prepared from the Lion King.
...fuck.
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The concert in Minnesota was great last night.
Mikael: My bunk on the bus smells like fart, sweat, and cum
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:lol
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This album is now battling for 2nd place on my favorite Opeth albums list. The more I listen to it, the more I love it.
me too. after Ghost Reveries.
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The concert in Minnesota was great last night.
Mikael: My bunk on the bus smells like fart, sweat, and cum
I know Mikael was never the master of subtle humour, but still I liked it more when he was at least _a bit_ more subtle...
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
This, but then I realised it's just Be Prepared from the Lion King.
...fuck.
See, this would shatter my view of the song, but I've only seen Lion King once when I was like 4 or 5, so I have no idea what Be Prepared sounds like. Feels good man.
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
This, but then I realised it's just Be Prepared from the Lion King.
...fuck.
See, this would shatter my view of the song, but I've only seen Lion King once when I was like 4 or 5, so I have no idea what Be Prepared sounds like. Feels good man.
So what you're saying is this doesn't crush your soul?
(https://i.imgur.com/84xpM.gif) (https://imgur.com/84xpM)
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Seeing that post actually made me watch The Lion King again earlier today. I still love it as much as I did when I was 4. :heart
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And now it's even better, because it has Opeth in it. :D
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The second half of Folklore is my favourite moment on the album.
This, but then I realised it's just Be Prepared from the Lion King.
...fuck.
See, this would shatter my view of the song, but I've only seen Lion King once when I was like 4 or 5, so I have no idea what Be Prepared sounds like. Feels good man.
So what you're saying is this doesn't crush your soul?
Nope.
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Just listened to Be Prepared on Youtube...fuck.
That's crazy. :lol
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:lol just did a quick back to back of be prepared and that bit!
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Just bought my tickets to see them on the 21st of this month! :metal
Has anybody seen Opeth on the Heritage tour yet? If so how is the new stuff sounding live?
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Perfect.
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Just got back from seeing
this really cool Deep Purple cover band Opeth in Seattle. Fucking wonderful show. Still a bit sad to not see any of their heaviest material, but the performance made up for it completely. Hell, I actually enjoyed Porcelain Heart and Face of Melinda live. Go figure.
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Opeth most definitely brung it at The Showbox tonight. It was quite the change to hear more hard rock-like guitar tones than the usual crunch out of those amps.
I liked MA's crack about Mendez investing in Fabreze.
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Oh hey you guys I get to meet Akerfeldt tonight.
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Oh hey you guys I get to meet Akerfeldt tonight.
F U. He's literally the only "famous" person I want to meet before I die.
/fanboy
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I met him after the show at the RAH last year, he's such a cool guy
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Oh hey you guys I get to meet Akerfeldt tonight.
details plz
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So that was pretty cool. All of the band members were really nice, it's a shame I was so nervous I didn't really say much other than how much I loved their playing on the new album. :lol At least with Mikael I got to say something about how excited I was for Storm Corrosion.
The show was fantastic. I did find myself missing the growls a bit but I still think the set was great regardless.
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Today is such a blackwater park day. Listened to the album twice back to back, it reminded me of why heritage hasn't come out of its box for quite a while...
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Today is such a blackwater park day. Listened to the album twice back to back, it reminded me of why heritage hasn't come out of its box for quite a while...
Yeah, funny you mentioned that because even though I think Heritage is....decent......since its release I've probably listened to Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park and Watershed more often than I've felt the need to go back to Heritage. I don't think it's a bad album, per se, it just doesn't make me :eek like the others
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Today is such a blackwater park day. Listened to the album twice back to back, it reminded me of why heritage hasn't come out of its box for quite a while...
Yeah, funny you mentioned that because even though I think Heritage is....decent......since its release I've probably listened to Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park and Watershed more often than I've felt the need to go back to Heritage. I don't think it's a bad album, per se, it just doesn't make me :eek like the others
Swap watershed for still life and thats exactly my situation!
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Finally got around to listening to Heritage this week (been too preoccupied with other new releases), and after three listens, I like it a lot. I can see why some might not be overly wild about it, especially the metal fans who want riffs that crush your soul and growls that pierce through your whole body, but for what this is, it is awfully good. Hard to pick out favorites this early on, but The Devil's Orchard and Famine are standing out the most so far.
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I've been listening to Heritage a lot and... I don't care for much of it. Some cool ideas but there's not much holding them together and, for as short as the songs are, they feel much more aimless than their longer, METUHL songs (except for the songs on Orchid, but Orchid sucks :neverusethis: ). It's an interesting experiment, but if they continue down this road, I hope they tighten their songwriting a bit.
I DO like Folklore, Lines In My Hand, and Slither a lot. Folklore because it remains pretty interesting throughout the entire song and the latter two because they're the most straightforward, focused songs on the album. I feel like I'm a step away from liking Famine, but, I just don't care for parts of it.
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Some of the songs definitely sound a bit aimless, as if they just noodled around and called it a song, but I am still seeing a handful of really good songs on here thus far. It will never touch Still Life or Blackwater Park, and probably won't touch Ghost Reveries, Damnation or Watershed either, but it still sounds pretty solid to me. :tup :tup
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Some of the songs definitely sound a bit aimless, as if they just noodled around and called it a song, but I am still seeing a handful of really good songs on here thus far. It will never touch Still Life or Blackwater Park, and probably won't touch Ghost Reveries, Damnation or Watershed either, but it still sounds pretty solid to me. :tup :tup
I agree with Kev!
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It won't be able to touch My Arms, Your Hearse either.
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For me, Heritage is a really solid record. But I actually like Damnation more for some reason - it felt more emotional. Or maybe it just has a special meaning for me, I don't know.
But Folklore is one of their best tracks through their entire discography, if you ask me. :tup
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Some of the songs definitely sound a bit aimless, as if they just noodled around and called it a song, but I am still seeing a handful of really good songs on here thus far. It will never touch Still Life or Blackwater Park, and probably won't touch Ghost Reveries, Damnation or Watershed either, but it still sounds pretty solid to me. :tup :tup
This is how I feel - I guess because it was a big departure that everyone was hoping they'd hit gold instantly as with their old style, which probably isnt too fair/realistic.
Either way, I want the old Opeth next record. I'm sick of pseudo-70s rock. EVERYONE is doing it.
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Agree with the 70's thing, but they could always do something else for the new album, that's neither 70's or old Opeth. :P
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Heritage > Watershed
This is a conclusion I've come to after listening to it several times.
1. Ghost Reveries
2. Deliverance
3. Blackwater Park
4. Still Life
5. Morningrise
6. Damnation
7. My Arms, Your Hearse
8. Heritage
9. Watershed
10. Orchid
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Seeing them tonight. I'm stoked.
I'm going to shout for Black Rose Immortal, Into the Frost of Winter, and Eternal Soul Torture. Fingers crossed!
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Seeing them tonight. I'm stoked.
I'm going to shout for Black Rose Immortal, Into the Frost of Winter, and Eternal Soul Torture. Fingers crossed!
I did all three, but to no avail, none were played :(
Have fun though man, they put on an astounding show.
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Heritage > Watershed
This is a conclusion I've come to after listening to it several times.
God dammit Gadough.
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Seeing them tonight. I'm stoked.
I'm going to shout for Black Rose Immortal, Into the Frost of Winter, and Eternal Soul Torture. Fingers crossed!
Woooo! Have fun! :D And good luck with the requests :p
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They were amazing. Everyone in the band was spot on, Mikael was a riot, and the sound in the theater was flawless. I could hear every instrument and Mikael's voice perfectly, and my ears weren't even ringing afterwards.
Also, Martin bought a hotel chain in Vegas that houses a bunch of naked girls, at least according to Mikael.
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:lol
Yeah, they put on a great show in Pomona. Also, it was really great to see everyone in the crowd really in to it and not being assholes yelling for them to play Blackwater Park or whatever.
Also also, while a great show, it really did highlight just how much I'm going to miss old Opeth.
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Album's a real grower. I'm loving it now!
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Can't wait for two months till I see them!
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If I was Opeth, on the last show of the last tour of this album, I'd bust out Wreath for the encore.
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If I was Opeth, on the last show of the last tour of this album, I'd bust out Wreath for the encore.
Thats my show I think! :D
Well my show is the last one announced so far :) I imagine they would take a break for christmas/new years. And that would be hilarious :lol
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Finally seeing them tomorrow!!
And it's supposed to SNOW!
:caffeine:
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Finally seeing them tomorrow!!
And it's supposed to SNOW!
:caffeine:
Wow! I wish I could listen to Opeth in the snow :) Have fun :D
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Well, the show will be indoors but I hope to exit the theatre to a quiet flurry.
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Finally seeing them tomorrow!!
And it's supposed to SNOW!
:caffeine:
I went to a black metal show (Dimmu Borgir, Enslaved and a few local black metal bands) last year in November, and there as snow on the ground as we waited to be let in.
Never before have I felt so kvlt.
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Finally seeing them tomorrow!!
And it's supposed to SNOW!
:caffeine:
Survey the snow! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfOg13qMVqw#t=8m53s)
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Seeing them on Thursday.
I hope it doesn't snow, I hate driving in that shit.
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Yep. Walked back to a car covered in snow after an amazing diner binge.
:dangerwillrobinson:, that was fun.
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I like all of the songs on Heritage other than Famine and Haxprocess.
They are a mess, IMO. Totally boring.
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wut
Famine is one of the most interesting things about that album... and Haxprocess is not my favorite but it's still pretty cool.
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Famine is my favorite on the album, just love it.
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Folkloreeee
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Folklore is great, but I don't care much for the ending.. I find it a bit cheesy somehow.
It's a great song, but yeah.. ending drags it down a bit for me.
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yeah it tastes like sharp cheddar man
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Worst song on Heritage: Nepenthe
Best song on Heritage: Folklore
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Nepenthe is one of the best songs on the album thank you very much!
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Worst song on Heritage: Nepenthe
Best song on Heritage: Folklore
GOD DAMMIT GADOUGH
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Worst song on Heritage: Nepenthe
Best song on Heritage: Folklore
Agreed.
Folklore is awesome. Nepenthe just... doesn't work.
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Worst song on Heritage: Nepenthe
Best song on Heritage: Folklore
GOD DAMMIT GADOUGH
I'm with Gadough on this one. Nepenthe is cool I guess, but it's definitely my least favourite.
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After listening to Heritage again I concluded there is certainly a problem of me with it. The album is good. I'll take the Prog Death Metal Opeth everyday, but this is without a doubt an amazing album. My favorite songs of this are Folklore (A fan favorite in here it seems), and Marrow of the Earth (Haters gonna hate).
But I just don't feel this is an album I can listen to occasionally. I don't listen to it often. In fact this might be the third to fifth time I listen to any song of the album or the album at all. When I think "Hey, I want to hear some Opeth right now!" I do not think about hearing Heritage, something that Does happen with Watershed, Damnation or BWP. I don't know if I am explaining myself well.
I might get a shitstorm because Heritage seems to be a lot appreciated in here. I do like it, but there's just something that... Prevents me, from hearing it often.
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After listening to Heritage again I concluded there is certainly a problem of me with it. The album is good. I'll take the Prog Death Metal Opeth everyday, but this is without a doubt an amazing album. My favorite songs of this are Folklore (A fan favorite in here it seems), and Marrow of the Earth (Haters gonna hate).
But I just don't feel this is an album I can listen to occasionally. I don't listen to it often. In fact this might be the third to fifth time I listen to any song of the album or the album at all. When I think "Hey, I want to hear some Opeth right now!" I do not think about hearing Heritage, something that Does happen with Watershed, Damnation or BWP. I don't know if I am explaining myself well.
I might get a shitstorm because Heritage seems to be a lot appreciated in here. I do like it, but there's just something that... Prevents me, from hearing it often.
This completely. It's such a weird album and I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around it....but it is good. I find Nepenthe to be quite relaxing.
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I hated Heritage throughout my first few listens but it's slowly becoming enjoyable for me. I'd be okay with Opeth trying an even portioning of these three styles on their next album or two:
1) Classic prog-death style that has become their signature style
2) Delicate ballads in their classic style such as To Bid You Farewell, Face of Melinda, Patterns in the Ivy, and Hours of Wealth
3) Newer, hard-to-immediately-get-into stuff that keeps Mikael from getting bored
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Nepenthe is awesome.
If I had to pick a least favorite (and this is damn hard), I would probably say Slither or Marrow of the Earth, but I still love them.
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I think I've listened to the album enough to rank it now:
1) Folklore
2) The Devil's Orchard
3) I Feel the Dark
4) Haxprocess
5) Slither
6) Nepenthe
7) Lines in My Hand
8) Famine
9) Heritage
10) Marrow of the Earth
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Nepenthe and Haxprocess are probably my least favourite two so far. Need to listen to the album way more though.
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Courtesy of Anvar and Dusk over at opethforum.com (https://opethforum.com/showthread.php?t=11926&page=3):
(https://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z469/Anvar80/OpethNew.jpg)
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:lol
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Holy shit that picture of Mikael I just squirted all over my walls
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Looks like an amazing collection. I'll be the first to get my hands on a copy.
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Been listening to this album alot, it really is awesome.
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Looks like an amazing collection. I'll be the first to get my hands on a copy.
My vagina already has a copy.
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I'm new to Opeth just started listening this week and I'm going through their albums backwards starting with Heritage. I've finished down to Blackwater Park so far. I've enjoyed all the songs but of course after only one listens I can't really remember or distinguish much yet. I can't wait to really delve in and get into the lyrics. I usually use songmeanings.net for that. Is there a better website? I feel potential for this band to be really high, nothing will surpass DT though!
What is everyone's favorite Opeth albums and songs? Is there a general consensus on those like a ranking?
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I'm new to Opeth just started listening this week and I'm going through their albums backwards starting with Heritage. I've finished down to Blackwater Park so far. I've enjoyed all the songs but of course after only one listens I can't really remember or distinguish much yet. I can't wait to really delve in and get into the lyrics. I usually use songmeanings.net for that. Is there a better website? I feel potential for this band to be really high, nothing will surpass DT though!
What is everyone's favorite Opeth albums and songs? Is there a general consensus on those like a ranking?
Isn't that a bit negative to say?
I mean, if I would reason that way myself, I might as well stop looking for music, because I already have decided that something can't be topped anyway. :P
Personally my approach to music is that I haven't found my favorite band yet, even though I have a current favorite, it can always be topped. ;)
As for the last part, my personal favorites by Opeth...
Albums: Ghost Reveries, Deliverance and Still Life (Blackwater Park not far behind)
Songs: Deliverance, Blackwater Park, The Baying of the Hounds, The Moor, The Night and the Silent Water, A Fair Judgement and Isolation Years, to name a few.
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I don't see it as a negative at all. In fact I think its the opposite and normal.
Although I've cemented that DT is my all time favorite that doesn't make me not want to stop looking for new music. Though I look for new music doesn't mean that DT can be topped either. Can't explain it but its perfect for me.
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Favorites:
- Blackwater Park - perfect growl/clean combination, 100% excelent songs.
- Watershed - A little softer (though you wouldn't say that listening to Heir Apparent) and very dark
- Damnation / Heritage - Perfect to get started if you don't particularly like growling (there's none on either album). Both have more of a classic prog feel to them, although I'd say Heritage is more jazzy while Damnation is a bit more mellow.
- Still Life / Ghost Reveries - Similar to Blackwater Park in the growling/clean balance and heaviness. Excellent high points but slightly less consistent than Blackwater Park for me.
Songs:
- The Metal (w/growls): The Moor, Bleak, Blackwater Park, Deliverance, Ghost of Perdition, Heir Apparent, Hessian Peel
- The Proggy: End Credits, Windowpane, Devil's Orchard, Folklore, Slither
- The Ballads: Face of Melinda, Patterns in the Ivy, Hours of Wealth, Coil, Burden
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I'm new to Opeth just started listening this week and I'm going through their albums backwards starting with Heritage. I've finished down to Blackwater Park so far. I've enjoyed all the songs but of course after only one listens I can't really remember or distinguish much yet. I can't wait to really delve in and get into the lyrics. I usually use songmeanings.net for that. Is there a better website? I feel potential for this band to be really high, nothing will surpass DT though!
What is everyone's favorite Opeth albums and songs? Is there a general consensus on those like a ranking?
The most critically acclaimed Opeth album is probably Blackwater Park. Inside the metal and Opeth community, Still Life is probably the most adored.
Regarding Dream Theater vs. Opeth: To me, Opeth are superior, which is saying something, because Dream Theater are one of my ten favorite bands. The thing about Dream Theater is that the only time I listen to them is when I want to listen to Dream Theater. They have such a distinct sound that I have to be in the mood for most of their songs. Opeth, conversely, also have a very distinct sound, but cover so much ground with their music that I frequently find myself listening to them even when I didn't intend to.
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Chicago show tonight!!! Excited.
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God, what a great show last night.
First off, going to a concert by yourself sucks. My friends suck. But anyways...
Both Katatonia and Opeth were fantastic. So fantastic that even songs I wasn't too keen on were immensely enjoyable and I'm now reconsidering my stances on them. Setlist spoilers below:
Katatonia played Chrome! Zomgwtfbbq great song. Wished they would've played Teargas too. All the NITND songs they played had so much more energy than the album versions. Really made me appreciate those songs a lot more.
Opeth opening with The Devil's Orchard was great. So much heavier. All the songs were awesome, except The Throat of Winter which was merely 'pretty good.' Closing with Folklore was perfect. What a fucking song. Perfect encore material.
Mikael was in top form. Talking about obscure 70's prog acts, shitty 80's hair metal, and Jeffrey Dahmer = me rubbing myself in an obscene manner.
Yeah, I wish they would've played more classics, but afterwards, I didn't give a fuck. Some people were shouting out 'Play Blackwater Park/Black Rose Immortal!' but the band seemed used to it. I kinda wanted to shout out 'Play Aqualung!' or 'Play Thick as a Brick!' but I didn't want to be a douchnozzle.
What is everyone's favorite Opeth albums and songs? Is there a general consensus on those like a ranking?
Top Albums:
Still Life, Ghost Reveries, Watershed
Top Songs:
The Moor, The Lotus Eaters, Folklore, The Grand Conjuration, Face of Melinda, Deliverance
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I'm new to Opeth just started listening this week and I'm going through their albums backwards starting with Heritage. I've finished down to Blackwater Park so far. I've enjoyed all the songs but of course after only one listens I can't really remember or distinguish much yet. I can't wait to really delve in and get into the lyrics. I usually use songmeanings.net for that. Is there a better website? I feel potential for this band to be really high, nothing will surpass DT though!
What is everyone's favorite Opeth albums and songs? Is there a general consensus on those like a ranking?
The most critically acclaimed Opeth album is probably Blackwater Park. Inside the metal and Opeth community, Still Life is probably the most adored.
Regarding Dream Theater vs. Opeth: To me, Opeth are superior, which is saying something, because Dream Theater are one of my ten favorite bands. The thing about Dream Theater is that the only time I listen to them is when I want to listen to Dream Theater. They have such a distinct sound that I have to be in the mood for most of their songs. Opeth, conversely, also have a very distinct sound, but cover so much ground with their music that I frequently find myself listening to them even when I didn't intend to.
Interesting. Opeth and DT are pretty much a tie for my second favourite band, but I find my listening habits the opposite to yours :)
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(https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9585/homelessmike.jpg)
(https://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1451/akebj4yn.gif)
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Those 2 are funny but can't beat this (https://i5.aijaa.com/b/00295/8612370.jpg) (made by Lager on the Opeth forum)
This gif is pretty funny too: (https://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii61/SilverStarAlchemist/lmfaohahaha.gif)
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Just saw Opeth in Chicago. Great show. Will post pick soon.
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Ahh, the album finally clicked for me! :) I'm pretty sure it will we never be close to my favourite CDs of Opeth and I won't listen to it as heavily as I did to Opeth usually, but I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Going to see them live on December 2th in Berlin with Pain of Salvation - this is gonna be fun :)
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It got really cold last night and today (it was literally freezing at our homecoming game last night) so I put on Still Life. Pretty sure it's my favorite album by Opeth, not completely certain though.
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I can't wait to really delve in and get into the lyrics. I usually use songmeanings.net for that. Is there a better website?
Songmeanings.net is probably the best site for such a thing. Some people's dissections of songs are beyond ridiculous (that goes for any artist, not just Opeth), but there are also some really good ones. You just have to pick which meaning you like the best.
What is everyone's favorite Opeth albums and songs? Is there a general consensus on those like a ranking?
Still Life and My Arms, Your Hearse are my 2 favorites. Blackwater Park is probably their most revered, though. As for rankings, most fans' lists are pretty varied, from what I've seen.
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Nardwuar interviews Opeth in Vancouver, BC, Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3L-lcW4-TM' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3L-lcW4-TM)
Hilarious ending btw :lol
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wtf was that? What a weird interview. :lol
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Yeah the interviewer was so wierd haha.
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Nardwuar interviews Opeth in Vancouver, BC, Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3L-lcW4-TM' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3L-lcW4-TM)
Hilarious ending btw :lol
I'm only 2 minutes in and OMG :rollin :rollin
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hahahaha the part where they talk about alchohol is hilarious.
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What the fuck am I watching.
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hahahaha his face at the end :rollin :rollin
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Holy shit I'm crying after watching the whole thing. :rollin :rollin
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Not keen on Mikael's hair, but that interview is amazing.
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For those of you who aren't aware of who the interviewer is, he's almost just a comedian interviewer, he did an interview with Slipknot and actually pissed off the one with the long nose enough that long nose walked off set. But yeah, that guy has tons of interviews.
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That guy NEEDS to interview Devin Townsend.
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That guy NEEDS to interview Devin Townsend.
That would be great indeed.
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For those of you who aren't aware of who the interviewer is, he's almost just a comedian interviewer, he did an interview with Slipknot and actually pissed off the one with the long nose enough that long nose walked off set. But yeah, that guy has tons of interviews.
I realized that once they got to the tampon/alcohol question. ;D
But, it was great how unfazed Mikael seemed by the whole thing... until the end.
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Okay, was he serious when he said Abba are the best Swedish band ever, or is he just expressing majority opinion?
Because if so, that somewhat counter-balances the occasionally douchey "must be obscure" vibe I get from his taste.
Also, the Cronos/Kate Middleton thing = the smiley where the guy's jaw drops open a mile.
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Well, Mikael is a huge fan of Abba, so it wouldn't be surprising to me at all if they are his favorite Swedish band.
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He said he had dinner with one of the female members (is there more than one girl in the band? He was talking about the blond singer, I guess. Don't know her name) during the recording of Heritage at the Atlanta show, so I guess he likes them well enough.
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They have two females, but only one blonde. :P
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Agneta Faltskog (sorry, don't have the nordic font). He even said he danced with her afterneith.
I think everyone would have hit her...back in the '70's.... ;)
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Donning my Futurist cap for a moment :police:
When will the next Opeth album happen? Late 2012? Early 2013?
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Probably late 2013 or 2014.
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https://www.opethforum.com/showthread.php?p=115366#post115366
So apparently they played a few Bloothbath songs at the end of the set last night in Baltimore. Fkn lol.
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fml
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So, Mikael plays songs without growls with Opeth now.
But Bloodbath is still around.
Sense. None. Does. This. Make.
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He's touring with all the members, it makes total sense to do a one off show.
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Actually I think it's hilariously ironic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRg8KjYROkM&feature=related
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I don't see the irony.
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I don't see the irony.
They went without growls and death metal this ENTIRE TOUR. Not one classic heavy Opeth song played.
So instead, they play songs from the sideproject Mikael was apart of, which is the heaviest music he's ever been apart of. IRONY.
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So instead, they play...
This isn't playing Bloodbath "instead" of Opeth though. It was a one off show. Bonus. An addition to. Opeth played their set and there was nothing different about it. Just because he's going a different direction with Opeth now means he's not allowed to do do a one off show?
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
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Because it's just a one off special occasion.
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So instead, they play...
This isn't playing Bloodbath "instead" of Opeth though. It was a one off show. Bonus. An addition to. Opeth played their set and there was nothing different about it. Just because he's going a different direction with Opeth now means he's not allowed to do do a one off show?
I could have sworn only two Bloodbath songs were played during the encore. It's not so much a one off show if it's just a song or two. It's a special encore. Like when Metallica did the Am I Evil medly with the entire Big Four.
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It's like saying OK you want heavy? you'll get the MASTER HEAVY VIOLENT. I don't see the problem.
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
It's not like he has a moral problem with doing growls. It's just that that for this tour, he wants to really emphasize that Opeth are in a different place. Doing one show with Bloodbath songs means nothing. It's an outlier. It was a one time, fun thing.
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
It's not like he has a moral problem with doing growls. It's just that that for this tour, he wants to really emphasize that Opeth are in a different place. Doing one show with Bloodbath songs means nothing. It's an outlier. It was a one time, fun thing.
Oh, I know. It makes me very sad.
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
It's not like he has a moral problem with doing growls. It's just that that for this tour, he wants to really emphasize that Opeth are in a different place. Doing one show with Bloodbath songs means nothing. It's an outlier. It was a one time, fun thing.
I don't see why they have to do no growling songs. The fans who've heard Heritage get it. All it does is limit the variety of fan song favourites somewhat. Yeah, he can do what he wants fair enough, but why bother doing this to fans? It just seems a bit needless.
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
It's not like he has a moral problem with doing growls. It's just that that for this tour, he wants to really emphasize that Opeth are in a different place. Doing one show with Bloodbath songs means nothing. It's an outlier. It was a one time, fun thing.
This.
Plus, Bloodbath has always been a tongue-in-cheek thing.
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What the fuck, Mike?
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
It's not like he has a moral problem with doing growls. It's just that that for this tour, he wants to really emphasize that Opeth are in a different place. Doing one show with Bloodbath songs means nothing. It's an outlier. It was a one time, fun thing.
I don't see why they have to do no growling songs. The fans who've heard Heritage get it. All it does is limit the variety of fan song favourites somewhat. Yeah, he can do what he wants fair enough, but why bother doing this to fans? It just seems a bit needless.
I don't have a problem with it, the show was still great. I will be disappointed if the set is going to be limited like that next tour though.
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No, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's playing zero growly Opeth songs, but he's still okay with doing Bloodbath.
It's not like he has a moral problem with doing growls. It's just that that for this tour, he wants to really emphasize that Opeth are in a different place. Doing one show with Bloodbath songs means nothing. It's an outlier. It was a one time, fun thing.
I don't see why they have to do no growling songs. The fans who've heard Heritage get it. All it does is limit the variety of fan song favourites somewhat. Yeah, he can do what he wants fair enough, but why bother doing this to fans? It just seems a bit needless.
I don't have a problem with it, the show was still great. I will be disappointed if the set is going to be limited like that next tour though.
Agreed 100%.
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
Electronic/Trance
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
White noise.
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
Juggalos
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
Electronic/Trance
Joking aside, I'd love for Opeth to incorporate a bit of that into their next album. Not saying I want it to dominate it, but a song featuring, or even a section of, trance or electronic, could be pretty sweet.
Anyway, I am liking Heritage a lot. I can see why some might not like it, but I dig it. I also love how it manages to show off the 70s influence, but without sounding derivative at all (similar to the new Steven Wilson solo album).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRg8KjYROkM&feature=related
Thank god this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIzoWNQqnEQ&feature=related) was in the related videos panel. The music is damn good too at times.
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
lolicore
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why bother doing this to fans? It just seems a bit needless.
Doing what??
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The seeming "taking the piss" if you will by playing some of the heaviest material he's ever been a part of during a tour where he's made it clear he only wanted to focus on the non-death metal side of Opeth. All this knowing full well that the crowd is rife with fans whom have financed his ability to do what he loves for a living and the majority of them would strongly prefer to see a regular Opeth show (mix of heavy and soft material and not subbing in side projects for legitimate heavy Opeth stuff) than the low-carb rendition on display for this tour.
If he has it in him to play even just two heavy songs then it would've been far more gracious to do a fan favorite or two instead of a novel off-shoot since that's what the majority of the paying fans would've preferred.
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Not keen on Mikael's hair, but that interview is amazing.
Is it the hair that he had like mid September? Shorter than the Heritage promo pics, but not really "short"? Because if it's shorter than that, I'm gonna freak out. Everybody I've loved so far has chopped off their hair so far :'(
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The seeming "taking the piss" if you will by playing some of the heaviest material he's ever been a part of during a tour where he's made it clear he only wanted to focus on the non-death metal side of Opeth. All this knowing full well that the crowd is rife with fans whom have financed his ability to do what he loves for a living and the majority of them would strongly prefer to see a regular Opeth show (mix of heavy and soft material and not subbing in side projects for legitimate heavy Opeth stuff) than the low-carb rendition on display for this tour.
If he has it in him to play even just two heavy songs then it would've been far more gracious to do a fan favorite or two instead of a novel off-shoot since that's what the majority of the paying fans would've preferred.
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The band should play cuts from all the albums, growls or not. It is disrespectful to the fans.
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The band should play cuts from all the albums, growls or not. It is disrespectful to the fans.
I'm not gonna suggest that you are wrong here or anything, but after all this is the Heritage-tour.
They're playing what, 12 songs each night?
If they have to play at least one song from each album, that leaves room for like 2 or 3 songs from Heritage, and that's not how it "should" be, on the tour for the album. :P
The set as it is now is fairly accurate, because it is mostly songs from the new album, but still has some classics in it.
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The band should play cuts from all the albums, growls or not. It is disrespectful to the fans.
I'm not gonna suggest that you are wrong here or anything, but after all this is the Heritage-tour.
They're playing what, 12 songs each night?
If they have to play at least one song from each album, that leaves room for like 2 or 3 songs from Heritage, and that's not how it "should" be, on the tour for the album. :P
The set as it is now is fairly accurate, because it is mostly songs from the new album, but still has some classics in it.
When I saw 'em touring for Ghost Reveries the only GR songs they played were Ghost of Perdition and The Grand Conjuration and when I saw them touring for Watershed all they played from it was Heir Apparent and The Lotus Eater. crawl_away was pretty spot on with his comment.
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Yeah, that's how Opeth used to do it, but honestly.. that was fairly silly.
Don't get me wrong or anything, but if a band plays one or two new songs when they are promoting a new album, and 85% of the show consists of older stuff, that just screams "we don't like our new album" a lot.
I do think the setlist should have classics, and I do think it's a good idea to represent all albums, but that is more of an anniversary-thing, much like they did on the Royal Albert Hall-DVD.
When they play 12-13 songs live, and they have 10 studio albums, it would just not be "enough" to play 2 or 3 new songs.
After all, it's the Heritage-tour, not "playing bunch of old crap"-tour. ;)
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Yeah, that's how Opeth used to do it, but honestly.. that was fairly silly.
Don't get me wrong or anything, but if a band plays one or two new songs when they are promoting a new album, and 85% of the show consists of older stuff, that just screams "we don't like our new album" a lot.
I do think the setlist should have classics, and I do think it's a good idea to represent all albums, but that is more of an anniversary-thing, much like they did on the Royal Albert Hall-DVD.
When they play 12-13 songs live, and they have 10 studio albums, it would just not be "enough" to play 2 or 3 new songs.
After all, it's the Heritage-tour, not "playing bunch of old crap"-tour. ;)
How? This seems more like you reading into their motives a little too much looking for a motive that isn't necessarily there.
Also, the Royal Albert Hall show was more loaded with songs from just one album than any other one they've ever done. Just sayin' :P
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Mostly because they've played the old songs before, and haven't played the new ones live that much.
I agree that there should always be some old ones, the "classics" in a set, but I think it's fairly normal for a band that if they are happy with a new album, they want to play the majority of it live.
Honestly I think the Heritage tour setlist is almost perfect in terms of balance, it does have a few true classics (A Fair Judgement and Face of Melinda) but it also has some other songs from here and there in their discography (Porcelain Heart, Credence, Closure and Hex Omega)
So yeah, they have 6 out of 10 studio-albums represented in a 12 song-set, and I think that's actually good.
Sure they could have changed another Heritage-song and either Porcelain Heart or Hex Omega for 2 other songs from 2 other albums, but I don't blame them for doing it this way, both the songs I mentioned last are two songs I really want to see live, so no complaints.
Again, this is the Heritage-tour after all, it should be dominated by more Heritage songs then "normal" (or how it will be on future tours), just like the next album should have more songs from that album etc.
I know it hasn't always been the norm for Opeth, but if you check the majority of artists out there, it's fairly normal, and I think it's good personally.
I think the negative part of just playing 1 or 2 new songs, and then maybe 1 on each tour, is that some songs end up in the risk-zone of "will never get played live", not because they are bad, but there's always the risk that one song on an album becomes the "classic", like Ghost of Perdition on Ghost Reveries for example, maybe why fans had to whine/complain and wish for almost 5 years before they played Harlequin Forest live. :P
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I totally get that by choosing not to have growly songs, Opeth are not giving fans the best show possible, but at the same time, they're still putting on an amazing show.
The way I see it, this tour is very unique for the band. They probably won't do anything like it ever again. Instead of being frustrated about what they could be getting, people need to just enjoy what they are getting: Lots of songs off the new record, a handful of classics, and some obscure gems that probably won't be played again anytime soon. There's something for everyone there.
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The band should play cuts from all the albums, growls or not. It is disrespectful to the fans.
That is a ridiculous statement.
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I agree that calling it "disrespectful" to the fans is ridiculous. Opeth don't have to give a shit about what the fans want if they don't want to. They're doing something they want to do, knowing that plenty of fans will enjoy it, and not caring about the assholes shouting at them to "Play something with testicles, please."
I fucking enjoyed myself, and it put the Heritage songs in new light for me. Almost ruined the studio versions, actually. :lol So I'd say the tour was a success. However, I have to agree with Sigz that I am really going to miss the old Opeth if they decide to continue doing stuff like this.
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:tup
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The tour ruined the CD for me. :lol
The live versions were so much better and the CD versions just soo.... lifeless in comparison. Granted I wasn't that big of a fan of Heritage to begin with, but I think it's going to be an album that I very rarely listen to in full anymore.
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I just remembered this came out. Damn I've only listened to it completely maybe 5 times.
It's unfortunate that I find it fairly dry and never really find myself in a mood to listen to it.
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However, I have to agree with Sigz that I am really going to miss the old Opeth if they decide to continue doing stuff like this.
Mikael already said somewhere that once some time has passed from the release of Heritage, they'll start playing more usual sets again. So I guess the next time they go to America (and other places they've been once already on the Heritage tour) the set will include growls.
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I'd love to see a link for that!
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I'd love to see a link for that!
Yes, American Beef. Please. But I smell lies and hopefulness. One in the same. White Summer.
/102feverandnyquil.
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https://heavymetal.about.com/od/interviews/a/Opeth-Interview.htm?nl=1
We're on this tour promoting Heritage, and wanted to pick older songs that fit with the new songs. It made sense for this tour. But once Heritage settles a bit and it's not a brand new album we're promoting, we're going to play more of a mix of stuff. But I think this is refreshing. We've been doing some heavier tours with very little of the calmer stuff.
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Interesting interview, thanks!
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
Juggalos
I'm down.
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Has mike given any inkling to where Opeth will be in the next album cycle?
Juggalos
I'm down.
+1...I'd be aching with laughter and can already imagine Mike in face paint acting a fool :metalol:
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I still need to get Heritage. Anyways, It's too funny reading the posts about their live set. For me I really wouldn't care what they play as I know my favorite will never be played, Nectar. So it's good to not look at the setlist.
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Dude, I fucking love Nectar! You need to show up next year for the Opeth survivor series so we can prevent it from being voted out in the first round like it seems to each year.
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Nectar is a fucking great song. As are the rest on Morningrise.
:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:
In other news, today is perfect autumn weather. Which means perfect Opeth listening weather as I walk around places. God damn it's good to have an iPod right now.
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Just saw Opeth in Chicago. Great show. Will post pick soon.
Jesus I am lazy. Five pages later:
(https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310463_603935816137_51602895_32714806_1509053907_n.jpg)
We were both lucky enough to get setlists after the show. Sucky thing was when the tech guy was going to hand the second setlist to Dude7, some asshole grabbed at it too, and ripped it in half. Motherfucker was totally upset too! WTF! Dude7 said please, and that's why he got it. Deal with it!
Then after the show we met Akerfeldt. Totally chill guy. Signed both our setlists and then one week later we took this picture.
Good times. :metal
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SO JELLY. I'd love to meet Akerfeldt, he seems like an awesome guy.
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It's Akerfeldt's now-famous TERRIBLE signature (as stated by Steven Wilson himself).
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:lol
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Just saw Opeth in Chicago. Great show. Will post pick soon.
Jesus I am lazy. Five pages later:
(https://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310463_603935816137_51602895_32714806_1509053907_n.jpg)
We were both lucky enough to get setlists after the show. Sucky thing was when the tech guy was going to hand the second setlist to Dude7, some asshole grabbed at it too, and ripped it in half. Motherfucker was totally upset too! WTF! Dude7 said please, and that's why he got it. Deal with it!
Then after the show we met Akerfeldt. Totally chill guy. Signed both our setlists and then one week later we took this picture.
Good times. :metal
Good times! Couldn't believe our luck!
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Anyway, I think that it's completely plausible that Mikael never growls again on a studio album, that does seem to be the direction he's taking. I expect to see more experimental stuff on the next few albums. Maybe in the future he will have a "return" to Opeth's signature prog metal style (like Metallica for instance, though I hope a better return to form that Death Magnetic (not that I hated Death Magnetic, but it wasn't amazing, but thats beside the point)). But I'm sure he will continue the growls live.
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Anyway, I think that it's completely plausible that Mikael never growls again on a studio album, that does seem to be the direction he's taking. I expect to see more experimental stuff on the next few albums. Maybe in the future he will have a "return" to Opeth's signature prog metal style (like Metallica for instance, though I hope a better return to form that Death Magnetic (not that I hated Death Magnetic, but it wasn't amazing, but thats beside the point)). But I'm sure he will continue the growls live.
IF they return to metal, I hope they'll still do something different and keep some of the things they tried on Heritage (and other possible experimental albums coming in the future) instead of making a Blackwater Park II; bands rarely succeed when they try to make a new album sound exactly like some earlier stuff. For example, Amorphis and Paradise Lost have returned to metal after some experimental albums, yet the new stuff is still different from their first albums. However, I don't want a carbon copy of Heritage either, but I believe Mikael doesn't want to stagnate and he'll develop the new style further.
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I agree with your post 100%. Although you could argue Still Life, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries all had the same "style" and they were all massive hits.
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I think that Opeth have followed pretty much the same gameplan as Dream Theater have for most of their career: Make small changes with each successive album while retaining a signature sound. Damnation and Heritage are exceptions, of course.
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I liked Watershed, I think it had a fine mix of growly to non-growly songs.
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I think that Opeth have followed pretty much the same gameplan as Dream Theater have for most of their career: Make small changes with each successive album while retaining a signature sound. Damnation and Heritage are exceptions, of course.
Sounds pretty spot-on to me.
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Why oh Why am I not in London seeing them right now? :'(
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"Dirge For November" has to be one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
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All of Blackwater Park is amazing.
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"Dirge For November" has to be one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
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sure man whatever
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"Dirge For November" has to be one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
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sure man whatever
Gadough I don't know how you rate the quality of that song so differently to the rest on BWP :p
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"Dirge For November" has to be one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
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sure man whatever
Gadough I don't know how you rate the quality of that song so differently to the rest on BWP :p
I'm with ya Wyatt Jirp. The intro is almost as beautiful as the whole sum of Patterns in the Ivy and the outro is peacefully reminiscent of The Amen Corner's outro by vibe and not necessarily the overall sound. In between: you get what, to me, comes off as a death metal ballad in its somber fragility. Audio bliss. I wish I could put it in a toaster and then lightly drizzle chocolate syrup on it and eat it.
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Listening to the entire Ghost Reveries album trying to grasp and dissect the meaning of the lyrics. Intense!
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Well, I love Dirge but its even one of my least favourites on the album, but its not like its a level down from the rest of the album in terms of quality IMO. I just can't understand why you rate it that differently to the rest of the album :)
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I love 'Dirge', has some of the most beautiful/soothing parts on the album. Least favorite on the album for me is 'Funeral'
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Funeral is amazing, its a tie 4th with the title track for me.
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Funeral is amazing, its a tie 4th with the title track for me.
Jirpo, you're the only other DTFer I can think of besides me that has a positive opinion of both Dirge and Funeral. This really makes me happy since I thought I was on an island up to this point :coolio
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I've got one foot on the island...
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Funeral is amazing, its a tie 4th with the title track for me.
Jirpo, you're the only other DTFer I can think of besides me that has a positive opinion of both Dirge and Funeral. This really makes me happy since I thought I was on an island up to this point :coolio
*cough* I really, really love both of these songs.
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I'm sure there are more of us Floyd... I mean BWP is an amazing album and I know there a lot of people that would rank it as one of their favourites ever, so I'm sure a lot of people like both the tracks.
See! Ninja'd by another lover! :D
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pain of occupation: Dirge is the one song i'll likely skip when spinning BP.
rest of forum: "gee, thanx for the input"
pain of occupation: * :( turns round and walks out of thread with head down*
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pain of occupation: Dirge is the one song i'll likely skip when spinning BP.
rest of forum: "gee, thanx for the input"
pain of occupation: * :( turns round and walks out of thread with head down*
I'm with ya bro.
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No-one's bashing ya, were just comparing opinions :)
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so...how many pages of this thread do i have to go thru to see if/how-much peoples' opinions changed on heritage? i know i havent wavered much from my initial feelings, but that has as much to do with the fact i kinda stopped spinning it (not outta hatred, but outta i-got-a-shit-ton-of-other-new-music-that's-taken-precedence) as anything else.
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I like it now but don't quite love it. It has some very nice moments on it but still is a step off the pace of all albums before it in my heart. I almost like it as much as Watershed but that's more because of how much Hex Omega and parts of other songs drag it down.
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It's probably my least fave Opeth album, but still a good one :)
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I don't care if he states that Ghost Reveries is not a concept album, Ghost of Perdition-Grand Conjuration seems like one. Also read some other possibilities stating that Grand Conjuration is the first part then ending with Hours of Wealth.
Then other ones that say Isolation Years is part of it too. I enjoy what I perceive of the album.
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I don't think Isolation Years is tied with the rest.
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Yeah it doesn't fit to me either but its a good track, very sad.
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Yep, it's a sweet little piece! :) Great way to wrap up the album.
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Isolation Years is one of my favorite Opeth-songs, such a beautiful tune.
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Isolation Years is one of my favorite Opeth-songs, such a beautiful tune.
My God, for once I agree with Zantera about something :lol
Could this be the end?
Is this the way I die?
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oh gawd Isolation Years :(
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Funeral is amazing, its a tie 4th with the title track for me.
Jirpo, you're the only other DTFer I can think of besides me that has a positive opinion of both Dirge and Funeral. This really makes me happy since I thought I was on an island up to this point :coolio
I'm in that club. Dirge is a very solid song, and Funeral is just excellent.
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Funeral is amazing, its a tie 4th with the title track for me.
Jirpo, you're the only other DTFer I can think of besides me that has a positive opinion of both Dirge and Funeral. This really makes me happy since I thought I was on an island up to this point :coolio
I'm in that club. Dirge is a very solid song, and Funeral is just excellent.
This.
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Funeral is amazing, its a tie 4th with the title track for me.
Jirpo, you're the only other DTFer I can think of besides me that has a positive opinion of both Dirge and Funeral. This really makes me happy since I thought I was on an island up to this point :coolio
I'm in that club. Dirge is a very solid song, and Funeral is just excellent.
This.
Count me in too. Dirge's melodic passage after the acoustic intro is absolute bliss. TFP then comes in as a behmoth of huge riffs, coupled with both a great middle solo and outro solo. Awesome tracks.
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Dirge is good. Funeral Portrait is awesome.
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I'm not too familiar with Opeth yet but I like Dirge for November. Great into and outro and when the lyrics get powerful so do the vocals and music.
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Dirge is one of my favorites from BWP, probably third after BWP and Bleak.
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I'm not too familiar with Opeth yet but I like Dirge for November. Great into and outro and when the lyrics get powerful so do the vocals and music.
I totally agree. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dP-pm7Frws#t=8s)
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I will see Opeth in three days for first time in my life... and for free with a press pass :rollin I am neeeeeeeeeeeervous!!! :lol
What about the merchandising? Very expensive? Tour shirts?
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Save money by having the boys autograph a Pringle's can.
(https://s1.subirimagenes.com/otros/1627113dibujo.jpg)
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:lol
I'm not sure what the difference in pricing is in other countries, but here in Denver I was actually surprised at how cheap my Opeth shirt was compared to other shows I've been to. It was $20 or $25, I forget now but I'm sure somebody else in the US can confirm that for me (I got the black/green record one).
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Mine was about $20, I think (I got the skeleton playing a flute. Badass).
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Save money by having the boys autograph a Pringle's can.
(https://s1.subirimagenes.com/otros/1627113dibujo.jpg)
:lol :lol :lol
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On a related note:
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Now that I've seen it, it's all I see in the logo!
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I had a dream last night where I had come around to enjoying Heritage. :lol
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On a related note:
(https://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r243/ariich/forum%20stuff/opethpringles.jpg)
Now that I've seen it, it's all I see in the logo!
That was indeed what I was hinting at :P By the Potatoes I See In Others :metal
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Rock Salt Immortal :metal
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Night and the Salty Wafers
Sour Cream Painted Death
Barbecuing of the Hounds
The Twilight is My Ranch
Baked Potato Park
Dill For November
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:lol
Chipotle of Perdition
In the Sea Salt and Vinegar She Was Standing
The Cheddar Affinity
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White paste.
Rancid smell.
This sour cream painted death.
With a sprinkle of fresh chives.
Stench so foul lingers in my breath.
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:lol
Chipotle of Perdition
In the Sea Salt and Vinegar She Was Standing
The Cheddar Affinity
White paste.
Rancid smell.
This sour cream painted death.
With a sprinkle of fresh chives.
Stench so foul lingers in my breath.
I smell a trend that'll dominate the next page of this thread :lol
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Oh I didn't track-by-track this album yet
let's do it
even though it's been a bit since I listened to it now, oh well
Heritage - totally fine opener, great way to start an album like this
The Devil's Orchard - awesome song, probably one of my favorites
I Feel the Dark - The first half is repetitive as all hell and gets tiring quickly but lots of great stuff in the second half
Slither - Y'know, I just feel this one is out of place. It's not bad, it just doesn't really seem to fit.
Nepethe - Probably my favorite on the album... goes from incredibly mellow to a weird yet pleasant sound seamlessly, it's just perfect from beginning to end
Haxprocess - Nice song, it just seems a little... I dunno, tame might be the word I'm looking for? It's not bad at all though.
Famine - Probably the heaviest song, and I really do like the heavy riffs in this one... can't really call to mind much else of the song though, could be due to not having listened to this recently though.
The Lines in My Hand - This song also runs the risk of being out of place, but I don't think it ends up sounding that way - and I quite like it for that
Folklore - Can't remember a thing about the first half, the second half is damn solid though.
Marrow of the Earth - And a great way to close the album.
Kinda grew tired of the album quickly, but that's probably due to overplaying it. It's a great album still, and I hope they do something like it in the future; just not the very next album, please.
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Old school Opeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACDD2aY3-k&feature=related (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACDD2aY3-k&feature=related) 1996 baby! :metal
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^Cool clip. Thanks for posting. So enahjee...POWAH! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACDD2aY3-k&feature=related#t=700s)
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At the Opeth concert waiting for them to show up, giddy like a schoolgirl. Pain of Salvation opened for them (I didnt even know they were opening, what a poor promotion) and I thought they were cool, I will have to check their stuff
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I'm tired now so I will write a review tomorrow, but I'm going to say two quick things:
- Opeth was awesome and Mikael's voice was perfect.
- Some drunken asshole that was yelling at the band even during songs and almost got into a fight with someone that told him to stfu ruined the concert for me.
Mikael is my hero, putting up with this shit nightly has to be annoying as hell.
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Just came home from the concert, Opeth were amazing (as expected).
If you're interested in my thoughts on PoS, I'll post that in the PoS-thread. :P
But anyway, Opeth slayed, and I must say that the Heritage songs really sounded much better live.
Still, I honestly HATE metal-concerts, because there's always those people who attend the concert 99% for extreme headbanging and ruining the experience for others and 1% to actually hear the music. :lol
Didn't bother me extremely, but still annoying when people are flying up and down like crazy.
The setlist was this:
1. The Devil's Orchard
2. I Feel the Dark
3. Face of Melinda
4. Porcelain Heart (with Drum solo)
5. Nepenthe
--acoustic--
6. The Throat of Winter
7. Credence
8. Closure
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9. Slither
10. A Fair Judgement
11. Hex Omega
--encore--
12. Folklore
Show was amazing, I'm glad because Closure was the only song in the set that I had seen/heard before (the first time I saw them live, this was the second time)
Highlights? So many to choose from, but Face of Melinda, Hex Omega, A Fair Judgement, Credence.. the whole show was amazing, and Mikael's comedy acts between songs was great as always. :heart
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The show got a 4 out of 5 in today's Aftonbladet.
(https://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/14031418/800/normal/b0a8102d7640a/05-opeth-466__mngl_20111205ab5x030%2Cnje_1.indd_9660.jpg)
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/musik/hardrock/article14031420.ab
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i was at the show on 29th november and it was really great. Surprisingly, even the audience was pretty awesome, as in not crying out during songs and not talking all the time(well, besides those 2 guys who looked like they were going to fall to the ground any moment because they were so damn drunk. Fortunately they left when the acoustic set startet). Of course there was the occasional "DELIVERANCE" or "DEMON OF THE FALL" cry in between songs, but those were just meant to mock Opeth a bit (at least that's what it sounded to me) and gave Mikael some opportunities to make jokes.
They were only some "booohhs" when Mikeal stated that he prefered Switzerland to Austria (I was at the show in Vienna).
The setlist was this:
1. The Devil's Orchard
2. I Feel the Dark
3. Face of Melinda
4. Porcelain Heart (with Drum solo)
5. Nepenthe
--acoustic--
6. The Throat of Winter
7. Credence
8. Closure
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9. Slither
10. A Fair Judgement
11. Hex Omega
--encore--
12. Folklore
Personal highlights of the concert:
The Devils Orchard: i was really surprised how well that song worked live, definetely a great opener
Face of Melinda: Already so beautiful on the record, but a hundred times better live... :heart
The Porcelain Heart "mess up version" (full 15 minutes including two times when the guitar just wouldnt work and some guys worked with flashlights backstage while Axe did an extended drumsolo)
Slither: POOWWWWAAAHHH (yes, seriously)
Folklore: Just soooooooooooooo good
And i was really surprised when they just continued to slow down that last riff in A Fair Judgement until it lasted about 5 times as long than the original riff...
Though actually, all of it was great.
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Going to see Opeth in half an hour for the first time!
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Going to see Opeth in half an hour for the first time!
Enjoy the show! And get back with awesome Mikael quotes. :D
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I have had heritage for a while my take on it is it grew old/ boring real fast , I like Damnation a lot more
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Going to see Opeth in half an hour for the first time!
Enjoy the show! And get back with awesome Mikael quotes. :D
Thanks! It was amazing, and yes he did have some good quotes.
Some of them:
"This is Joakims first time in Australia.... and he hates it!"
"Martin Mendez is very happy today because he is very rich. So rich in fact that he has bought the city of Perth and made himself mayor. He has also changed the name of the city to Operth."
Talking about The Throat of Winter: "Are there any geeks in the crowd? *someone yells out 'Skyrim!!!"* We made this song for a video game. Have you played it? I haven't...... They didn't really tell us what they wanted with this so we just wrote a fucked up song that doesn't suit the game at all"
"This here is fredrik... I met him pissed in a bar rolling around with his cock out taking a shit and I pointed at him and said your in the band!"
Anyway the show was really awesome! I started off in the second row, really close to Mikael! It was a small club so I loved being so close to the band. But after a few songs I moved back because of all the moshing :\ It kinda ruined a few songs for me, particularly Face of Melinda which was probably my fave. I really liked the Heritage songs live, particularly I Feel the Dark was very good I thought. Still I wish people would shut up during the quiet bits, the yelling got really annoying. during the acoustic set Mikael started playing "Children of the Sea" by black sabbath, he looked over at fredrik to see if he would catch on, he did and they started playing the beginning, mikael even sang the first few lines of vocals which was pretty cool. Then he just stopped :p Closure was another one of my faves, once again people just looking to mosh made it a bit worse but it was still extremely good. A Fair Judgement was amazing too! They slowed the ending right down for this and Mikael did something funny towards the end vocals: he paused for effect but held the pause with a funny expression on his face for 20 or so seconds, by the end most of the crowd was laughing :lol Porcelain Heart impressed me quite a bit, it used to be one of my faves from Watershed but dropped a bit, but I think it works great live. I'm not too much of a fan of drum solos but it was pretty cool I guess.
I also appreciate Nepenthe and Haxprocess a lot more, they used to be my two least faves from Heritage but I think they may rise up after seeing them. The encore was really cool. Mikael talked for a bit and asked if people like Axes drum solo. he got a large cheer and people starting chanting "solo" at fredrik and mikael looked at him and shrugged and nodded and fredrik soloed for a minute or two. Then Mikael did something hilarious: He told people to start headbanging, on the count of 3, to no music. He counted down and everyone started moshing crazily to no music, which was actually extremely funny :lol Then he said: "See, when theres a metal riff playing it makes you feel cool, but when there is no music it makes you feel retarded". Then they played Folklore, which was amazing and cemented itself as my favourite song from Heritage! Great ending.
Overall an amazing show! Mikaels voice was great, it was a nice small club and I really enjoyed myself, despite the crowd. The supporting act was a fairly standard prog metal band, they were alright, nothing special but not bad. I put earplugs in for them cause they were a little loud, I didn't mind that it distorted the sound a bit for them.
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"This here is fredrik... I met him pissed in a bar rolling around with his cock out taking a shit and I pointed at him and said your in the band!"
God, I love Mikael so much. :rollin
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Operth ;D
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First post on this forum... Opeth is a great band though :metal
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First post on this forum... Opeth is a great band though :metal
Welcome aboard dude! cookies and lemonade will be served in two hours and a magic show will start shortly thereafter.
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First post on this forum... Opeth is a great band though :metal
Welcome aboard dude! cookies and lemonade will be served in two hours and a magic show will start shortly thereafter.
It will be like a lemon party in your mouth!
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First post on this forum... Opeth is a great band though :metal
Excellent first post.
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Last spring I finally got around to listening to Opeth and I regret waiting so long. Great band :metal
My favorite album would have to either be Damnation or Heritage but Blackwater Park is great too. I really wish I could have seen them on this tour but I wasn't able to make it to the show.
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Another thing I forgot to mention, during the acoustic set Mikael started playing "Children of the Sea" by black sabbath, he looked over at fredrik to see if he would catch on, he did and they started playing the beginning, mikael even sang the first few lines of vocals which was pretty cool. Then he just stopped :p
I'll add it in to my writeup of the show (if anyone bothers to read it :p).
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"This is Joakims first time in Australia.... and he hates it!"
"Martin Mendez is very happy today because he is very rich. So rich in fact that he has bought the city of Perth and made himself mayor. He has also changed the name of the city to Operth."
Talking about The Throat of Winter: "Are there any geeks in the crowd? *someone yells out 'Skyrim!!!"* We made this song for a video game. Have you played it? I haven't...... They didn't really tell us what they wanted with this so we just wrote a fucked up song that doesn't suit the game at all"
"This here is fredrik... I met him pissed in a bar rolling around with his cock out taking a shit and I pointed at him and said your in the band!"
:lol I recall reading on the Opeth forum (before it went down) that Mikael said something similar about Mendez in Oslo (that he's gonna buy the city).
I also appreciate Nepenthe and Haxprocess a lot more, they used to be my two least faves from Heritage but I think they may rise up after seeing them.
Häxprocess? Interesting... It's Mike's favorite song so maybe he thought it's finally time to play it.
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i am dumb etc
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Machine Head - Unto The Locust
Opeth - Orchid
Opeth - Morningrise
Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
Opeth - Still Life
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Deliverance
Opeth - Damnation
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Opeth - Watershed
Opeth - Heritage
Alright then.
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I LYKE TOITLES.
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wut
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wut
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I was wondering where my post in the what albums did you just listen to thread went :facepalm:
sorry about that :'(
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but why is the Machine Head there
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Anyone know the status of the Opeth forum?
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Anyone know the status of the Opeth forum?
"403 of October"
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I was wondering where my post in the what albums did you just listen to thread went :facepalm:
sorry about that :'(
That racked my brain so badly... There I was staring at that post for what seemed like minutes, just trying to figure out what the hell it meant...
It all makes sense.
Opeth is cool.
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When I saw it, I was like, "err, wrong thread dude". But then I saw the commments afterwards, and I was like, "ahahah, confusion; it works".
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I'm really enjoying heritage. It sounds fantastic, and more evil.
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WHEEE I SAW OPETH!
Like a month ago, but somehow I'm still excited.
;D ;D ;D
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Yeah and I met them in the street on the way to your flat.
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I still hate you for that.
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:D
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:(
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Oh well, there's still the possibility that you can meet PoS and Dream Theater in just over a month.
Edit: Well, more like a month and 2/3 weeks but whatevs
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See if you somehow manage to meet them and I don't, I'm gonna be so pissed off :lol
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That would be the best thing ever.
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No.
But let's get back on topic: RORORORORORORORO
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totally! More graowlsRORORO
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I still don't understand why Heritage is shunned?
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I don't shun it, I just don't find it all that memorable or interesting. And this is coming from someone who was ecstatic about an album with no growls.
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It's definitely not shunned. I really like it.
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I enjoy it immensely, but I also enjoy Morningrise. It's just the way it's spoken about I can't grasp
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I love Heritage.
Haters gonna hate.
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I still don't understand why Heritage is shunned?
I find the middle of the album to be boring and the song-writing to be weak (the songs often lurch between heavy and soft). The production is cold which reduces the little heaviness the album has and severely hurts the dynamics. The songs sound much, much better live than they do on disc, but even hearing them live couldn't save some songs. Folklore is good though, but after hearing it live, the album version is so inferior now that I have no desire to listen to it anymore.
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I still don't understand why Heritage is shunned?
I find the middle of the album to be boring and the song-writing to be weak (the songs often lurch between heavy and soft). The production is cold which reduces the little heaviness the album has and severely hurts the dynamics. The songs sound much, much better live than they do on disc, but even hearing them live couldn't save some songs. Folklore is good though, but after hearing it live, the album version is so inferior now that I have no desire to listen to it anymore.
I understand, I feel that's what makes this album it's own. It's dark and cold almost as if your waiting in line to pick from the tree.
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I love Heritage.
Haters gonna hate.
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I love Heritage.
Haters gonna hate.
What do you guys enjoy about Heritage?
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Honestly I find it hard to explain specifically why I like any music aside from the fact that...'it sounds good to me'. There's so many different factors that go into listening to music, most of which are internal; but I'll attempt to explain. With Opeth, I find that many of the fans are so stuck on one singular sound (in this case being Mikael's growls) that any change at all will result in an uproar. I'm one of the few who has (and I don't mean this in an insulting way to other Opeth fans) an open mind when it comes to that factor. The moment I found out that Heritage was going growl-less, it was shocking but I can't say I was disappointed. I was more or less worried about what kind of music would result from this change. With that said, this is one of the things I like most about Heritage; Mikael's voice is superb and it fits the instrumentals fantastically.
I've heard Opeth described time and time again as having a 'forest'-filled feeling to it, an ethereal type of vision when listening to their music. I agree, but it was also beginning to dull. I wanted change, and Heritage brought just that. With this album it is almost the polar opposite, being 'earthy' and raw, yet refined enough so that the quality doesn't suffer. I especially like the psychedelic moments on the album where a song just...radically changes; songs like Nepenthe, Haxprocess are the reasons why the album didn't dull as I thought it would when I first began to listen to it. With a song like Slither, which seems to be based more in the classical rock genre (clearly...with the Dio tribute and all), it felt as though I would begin to bore with this album quickly; it's the only song on the album that I was bored with until the ending guitars kicked in. It sounds mundane to my ears and all around nothing seems to pop out at me or grab my attention.
Then it socks you right in the face with the two aforementioned songs that are everywhere inbetween. It was so unexpected, and the fact that they're both mellow and zany is the exact reason why my love for this album reignited. Before all those you have a song like I Feel The Dark, that starts off a bit more like classical and then slowly melds into a harder, more intense metal song without the growls. All throughout this album I tried to picture growls in place of some softer sung vocals and it was so off putting that I almost all at once realized why Mikael chose not to growl on this album. I like that its different and the guitar work is some of the most spectacular I've heard on any Opeth album. Being that it isn't as showy or wild as other Opeth albums, I feel that the subtle work of actoustics does this album so much good. It's still eerie, it still has an almost tangible atmosphere to it, the only change is in how it is felt. Instead of feeling like I was in a moor, a common theme in previous albums, I felt like I was in a desolate, post-apocalyptic kind of atmosphere; and I fucking love it.
All that said (yeah..I kind of went off on a tangent, sorry!), this is the same old Opeth for me doing what they do best; but they've taken a different costume this time, that's all. I suppose I may have adapted in different ways than other Opeth fans, and I consider myself as diehard a fan as the next; but the fact that so many people have labeled this album subpar is astounding to me. Songs like Marrow Of The Earth, so simple and clean are almost the embodiment of what I love about this album; it's raw earthy (obviously with Marrow) tone whilst still feeling like Opeth and still feeling like it came from a depth so dark and deep that it takes Mikael's voice to bring any kind of light to it. I know that last sentence didn't make ANY sense at all. Oh well. There you have it. It's still the same old Opeth to me with a twist (Slither is the only exception...I don't like that song very much with the exception of the end...the guitar work all throughout this album is fantastic, this song included despite it being so out of place). The lyrics aren't anywhere near the greatest, but that's another thing I love about this album is that the lyrics don't seem to be a central point; the focus seems to be more on the general essence of the song and not a singular aspect. Taking it all in at once is best, I feel. I'll stop typing now. Why do I type so fucking much when I'm drunk? I don't know, Barrett, fuck you man. Weirdo. I know. :-X
P.S. I suppose it's worth noting that I haven't heard any songs live. Maybe that would change my perspective but with what everyone has been saying I don't think it would at all; and if it did I find I love the sound and quality on the album so much that it might only force me to like the album even more. The production is at times odd but it fits the entire feel of the album so well; it focuses the sound, if that makes sense, brings a different aspect of the songs to the surface.
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Damn, that's pretty much why I love it. But Slither has a nice rhythm that makes me want to drive
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Great post Tio! I love reading well written thoughtful posts like that. Although I love Heritage, I don't get the same sense of atmosphere you do when I listen to it.
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Interesting little thing I saw today: John Petrucci, John Myung, and Jordan Rudess all have Heritage in their top 3 albums of 2011. It's #1 for me.
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Damn, that's pretty much why I love it. But Slither has a nice rhythm that makes me want to drive
Slither is one of my favorites, it's very energetic and I love Mikael's voice on this one, specially the "like a bird on a wiiIIIIIIre" .
I love Heritage for these reasons, song by song:
- Heritage - beautiful piano to open the album.
- Devil's Orchard - at first I thought the song was disjointed but now that I know it in and out, I'm amazed by all the sections and the flow between them. As in the rest of the album, Mikael's voice and the guitarwork are nothing short of amazing.
- I Feel The Dark - similar to Orchard, the different sections keep you guessing, whenever you start hearing the guitars and think "oh yeah the heavy section is coming" they suddenly cut back to an ambient section. Gets better with more listens.
- Slither - this song is very simple compared to the rest of the album but I love that, a straightforward and energetic song with an amazing outro.
- Nepenthe - a change of pace after the previous songs, this is the jazziest track in the record I think. I enjoy focusing on the drum & bass layer of the song while the upper, jazzier layers of guitar and keys fool around.
- Haxprocess - can't say much about this one, I enjoy it but I really can't underline anything beyond Mikael.
- Famine - same as Hax, these two are the lowpoints of the album for me (though I still like them). I love the first three minutes of the song until the guitar comes in, the rest is kind of messy. Maybe I haven't listened to it enough.
- Lines in the Hand - Amazing drums here, I'm by no means a drum expert but I definitely enjoy them on this track. The last minute is also kind of "Slither"ish which I like. "Fiiiiind all the liiiiiiines in your haaaaaand"
- Folklore - I think mostly everyone agrees that this is an amazing track... the guitar lines are incredible and the Lion King outro is a fan favorite.
- Marrow of the Earth - A nice instrumental closer, it works for what it is.
Maybe the album would have worked better if the 2 (arguably 3 including Nepenthe) slower tracks weren't placed together in the middle and were spread out between other energetic songs, but I still love this record and it's my favorite of 2011 right now (in the future, time will tell, The Color Spectrum will probably end up taking over).
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Damn, that's pretty much why I love it. But Slither has a nice rhythm that makes me want to drive
Slither is one of my favorites, it's very energetic and I love Mikael's voice on this one, specially the "like a bird on a wiiIIIIIIre" .
Oh yeah, one of the highlights on the album for me.
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Is that sarcasm? I can't tell
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No I'm serious. I love that song, and that section :metal
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Interesting that a lot of you don't like the middle of Heritage. For me, that's where the album gets great.
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Is that sarcasm? I can't tell
I don't think Zydar has ever been sarcastic about anything. :lol
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Is that sarcasm? I can't tell
I don't think Zydar has ever been sarcastic about anything. :lol
I'm pretty cautious about sarcasm and irony on the web, it doesn't translate well and is often misinterpreted :P
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The only Opeth album that has really grabbed me in the past two years that I have been listening to them is Damnation. The other albums I've heard aren't bad, they just don't strike me in any memorable way and I very rarely find myself wanting to listen to them.
*shrug*
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- Folklore - I think mostly everyone agrees that this is an amazing track... the guitar lines are incredible and the Lion King outro is a fan favorite.
Lion King outro? That shit came from the Lion King? Wat?
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The production is cold which reduces the little heaviness the album has and severely hurts the dynamics.
Why should a non-metal album have production that makes it sound heavy? And the dynamics of the album are quite wide already, I Feel the Dark and Nepenthe being the best examples.
Damn, that's pretty much why I love it. But Slither has a nice rhythm that makes me want to drive
Slither is one of my favorites, it's very energetic and I love Mikael's voice on this one, specially the "like a bird on a wiiIIIIIIre" .
Oh yeah, one of the highlights on the album for me.
Nice to see some love for Slither! :tup Many people dislike that song but I think it rocks! :metal I also love Famine which seems to divide opinions the most.
- Folklore - I think mostly everyone agrees that this is an amazing track... the guitar lines are incredible and the Lion King outro is a fan favorite.
Folklore is my favorite, it'll probably become the classic song of Heritage.
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The production is cold which reduces the little heaviness the album has and severely hurts the dynamics.
Why should a non-metal album have production that makes it sound heavy? And the dynamics of the album are quite wide already, I Feel the Dark and Nepenthe being the best examples.
Because it sounds better? :biggrin:
I feel like the production just makes it sound very... impersonal. It's really hard to explain for me. The Incident has the same style of production, everything is crisp and clean and cold... and it works, to an extent, because of what the album is about. Heritage, as a bit of a throwback to 70's fusion/prog, I feel would sound a lot better with a warmer, fuller sound some more distinction. Everything just sounds so... flat to me.
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^ that is pretty much my exact opinion of the production on Deliverance. it only changes when acoustic stuff is going on (which isn't very often). all the heavy stuff is extremely cold, hospital-esque, perfectly precise and meticulous. it doesn't breathe and flow, productionwise, like Blackwater Park or Still Life (or even My Arms, Your Hearse).
with that said, i still love D1.
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- Folklore - I think mostly everyone agrees that this is an amazing track... the guitar lines are incredible and the Lion King outro is a fan favorite.
Lion King outro? That shit came from the Lion King? Wat?
When it kicks in it sounds like Be Prepared from the Lion King. I pointed this out, like, when the album first came out. PAY ATTENTION, MAN.
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Huh. I never noticed that. I actually forgot how that song goes. It's been like 10 years since I've seen that movie. :lol
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Interesting that a lot of you don't like the middle of Heritage. For me, that's where the album gets great.
I feel the same; this is the only album in a while where I truly enjoy listening to the entirety of it.
^ that is pretty much my exact opinion of the production on Deliverance. it only changes when acoustic stuff is going on (which isn't very often). all the heavy stuff is extremely cold, hospital-esque, perfectly precise and meticulous. it doesn't breathe and flow, productionwise, like Blackwater Park or Still Life (or even My Arms, Your Hearse).
with that said, i still love D1.
I swear, this is the only band where its fans use these types of adjective-nouns to describe the music; and to any outsider they'd probably think "WTF does that mean...!?", I know exactly what you're talking about. :rollin hospital-esque... I love it. Bwaha! Forest-y, earthy, hospital... It's great. No sarcasm by the bye.
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^ that is pretty much my exact opinion of the production on Deliverance. it only changes when acoustic stuff is going on (which isn't very often). all the heavy stuff is extremely cold, hospital-esque, perfectly precise and meticulous. it doesn't breathe and flow, productionwise, like Blackwater Park or Still Life (or even My Arms, Your Hearse).
with that said, i still love D1.
Incidentally, I'm not the biggest fan of Deliverance or its production. :D
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Sorry for the shameless promotion but many of you fellow Opeth fans could like Barren Earth. The BE thread I started (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=30421.0) has some song suggestions from me and samples of their upcoming 2nd album The Devil's Resolve can be heard here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iue3x0giICg)
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I forgive you since you revived this thread.
So, I have a confession. Though I love Heritage and what it set out to accomplish, which I think it did, I'm already itching for a new Opeth album and... I want my fucking Akerfeldt growls back. I want those blood curdling screams of terror and anguish lathered with undertones of beautiful agony (nuggetron). I want to hear a soft beginning meld into a gargling growl. I want it. I want it willingly. If Mikael isn't into it...so be it, I'd rather get nothing at all then have him do some half-assed, mediocre attempt at an already mostly-boring genre. But I hope his heart is in it and we at some point get a taste of brutality. Aside from hopes I really think that we will, but I don't think it will be anytime soon. Maybe we'll even get something different from Heritage altogether while still not returning to the old death metal ways.
But yeah, going back and listening to Ghost Reveries and Deliverance has rekindled my love for what Mikael does so well. Much love for Heritage... But it just doesn't give me a hard on. I want a hard on. I'm getting old. I need some help.
Clearly.
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I want a new Opeth-album too. Nothing wrong with Heritage, but it didn't really stop my hunger for a new Opeth-album, it was like being extremely hungry with no food for weeks, and then eating a small cheeseburger or something. Nice in the beginning, but now I'm already craving more. :lol
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Theres always Bloodbath.
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I forgive you since you revived this thread.
So, I have a confession. Though I love Heritage and what it set out to accomplish, which I think it did, I'm already itching for a new Opeth album and... I want my fucking Akerfeldt growls back. I want those blood curdling screams of terror and anguish lathered with undertones of beautiful agony (nuggetron). I want to hear a soft beginning meld into a gargling growl. I want it. I want it willingly. If Mikael isn't into it...so be it, I'd rather get nothing at all then have him do some half-assed, mediocre attempt at an already mostly-boring genre. But I hope his heart is in it and we at some point get a taste of brutality. Aside from hopes I really think that we will, but I don't think it will be anytime soon. Maybe we'll even get something different from Heritage altogether while still not returning to the old death metal ways.
But yeah, going back and listening to Ghost Reveries and Deliverance has rekindled my love for what Mikael does so well. Much love for Heritage... But it just doesn't give me a hard on. I want a hard on. I'm getting old. I need some help.
Clearly.
Tio, I wish you were an orphaned abused small animal so I could simply go to my local pet shelter and adopt you and spend my remaining days being delighted with your mirth.
I want a new Opeth-album too. Nothing wrong with Heritage, but it didn't really stop my hunger for a new Opeth-album, it was like being extremely hungry with no food for weeks, and then eating a small cheeseburger or something. Nice in the beginning, but now I'm already craving more. :lol
Very good analogy, Zan Halen :tup
Theres always Bloodbath.
Valid point but it just falls a tad short to say the least when compared to the extraordinary range of dynamics present in most Opeth offerings.
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Yup. Like I said when the album came out, I like the new direction and everything, but it makes me really sad that there won't be any 'old' simply because they had such a unique and awesome sound.
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Yup. Like I said when the album came out, I like the new direction and everything, but it makes me really sad that there won't be any 'old' simply because they had such a unique and awesome sound.
Yeah same. Heritage was pretty unique to me. so I'm not complaining, but I hope Opeth does go back to their old style eventually, I mean we do have 9 albums of it but I always could do with some more :D
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So who else hopes to fucking GOD that Opeth pulls back out the heavy tracks for the upcoming MastOpeth shows?
*raises hand*
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Tio, I wish you were an orphaned abused small animal so I could simply go to my local pet shelter and adopt you and spend my remaining days being delighted with your mirth.
;D Oh but I am, I'm an abused miniature bear that got so fed up with being picked on by those god-damn Grizzlys that I stole the serum from Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes and injected myself with it so I could hole myself up in the back of a pet store and browse DTF all day. Save me! :coolio
So who else hopes to fucking GOD that Opeth pulls back out the heavy tracks for the upcoming MastOpeth shows?
*raises hand*
*Raises foot* I really want to go to this if only for Opeth (Listened to a few Mastodon songs and...eh, dunno; might have to give them another chance and I haven't heard Ghost at all) but given the aforementioned, I'm not sure if it'd be worth it if they'll just be playing Heritage and Damnation (zzzZZZzz) songs.
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Tio, I wish you were an orphaned abused small animal so I could simply go to my local pet shelter and adopt you and spend my remaining days being delighted with your mirth.
;D Oh but I am, I'm an abused miniature bear that got so fed up with being picked on by those god-damn Grizzlys that I stole the serum from Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes and injected myself with it so I could hole myself up in the back of a pet store and browse DTF all day. Save me! :coolio
(https://www.mobileapples.com/Assets/Content/Wallpapers/On_My_Way.jpg)
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*Raises foot* I really want to go to this if only for Opeth (Listened to a few Mastodon songs and...eh, dunno; might have to give them another chance and I haven't heard Ghost at all) but given the aforementioned, I'm not sure if it'd be worth it if they'll just be playing Heritage and Damnation (zzzZZZzz) songs.
What have you heard my Mastodon? Everyone needs a different entry album, if you ask me. And then it all just kind of clicks. And Ghost is pretty cool. Don't care for the vocal style they use too much, but the music is wonderfully doomy.
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*Raises foot* I really want to go to this if only for Opeth (Listened to a few Mastodon songs and...eh, dunno; might have to give them another chance and I haven't heard Ghost at all) but given the aforementioned, I'm not sure if it'd be worth it if they'll just be playing Heritage and Damnation (zzzZZZzz) songs.
What have you heard my Mastodon? Everyone needs a different entry album, if you ask me. And then it all just kind of clicks. And Ghost is pretty cool. Don't care for the vocal style they use too much, but the music is wonderfully doomy.
LISTEN HERE BUDDY I'M NOBODY'S MASTODON!
... Just a few tracks from the new album. I was intrigued when I kept hearing so many comparisons to Heritage and once I listened I kind of just wondered why they were compared so much. So I didn't really give it too much of a chance but from what I heard I could get into it; but yeah, haven't heard anything except the new album. Any recommendations? It seems the consensus is pretty varied with some people saying the new album is the best, others saying it's great but their favorites are older albums, etc.
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Blood Mountain. It's the album that showcases just about everything that makes Mastodon so fucking good. That or Crack the Skye if you want the prog instead.
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Tio, if you're a metalhead that likes Metallica and shit like that you may wanna start with the song March of the Fire Ants (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uShqlufsq5w&ob=av3e) and if that works then delve further into the album it's on, Remission. That song was my first exposure to them and Brann Dailor's drumming left me in awe the way he seemingly does a four-minute drum solo while neve taking away from the flow of the song.
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:tup Awesome blossom, thanks guys. I'll check out both those albums. Definitely a metal-head; though not so much anymore, if the music is right then I can certainly rekindle that old flame.
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To be honest I hope Mikael won't growl on studio releases anymore, I find his current growls pretty subpar. However it would be interesting if they did a heavy album but with 100% clean vocals. I know a lot of people dislike songs along the lines of Porcelain Heart but I would like it. I feel dropping the growls would've been much less controversial had Mikael done it years ago already, on the 3rd or 4th album. But now they've been around for 20 years already and their fanbase is so huge that the new direction faces a lot of criticism. Look at Anathema and Katatonia: both bands went into a more melodic direction after a few albums already and are nowadays best known and liked for their stuff without growls.
As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy. I enjoy Heritage and if they develop that style with some new elements they may be able to make their best album! :hefdaddy
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As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy.
That almost happened with their last album, actually. Mikael said that when writing new material he didn't like the metal based stuff he wrote at all. Thought it was disappointing and forced (I wish I remembered the source), and then he decided to write something he wanted to for a long time; Heritage. I have a good feeling that the next Opeth album will contain growls in the same way that Watershed contained growls, or maybe even Ghost Reveries. Too early to say, since they aren't even writing right now.
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As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy.
That almost happened with their last album, actually. Mikael said that when writing new material he didn't like the metal based stuff he wrote at all. Thought it was disappointing and forced (I wish I remembered the source), and then he decided to write something he wanted to for a long time; Heritage. I have a good feeling that the next Opeth album will contain growls in the same way that Watershed contained growls, or maybe even Ghost Reveries. Too early to say, since they aren't even writing right now.
On the making of heritage DVD. Martin mendez didn't like what mikael wrote, "if this is going to be the new Opeth record, I'm going to be disappointed"
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It's understandable that a band wants to move forward after 20 years of maintaining a certain sound, but on the other hand the growls have been such an important part of the music.
It's hard to say really, Heritage was really refreshing since it was something new, but I feel like they could shake things up, make music that doesn't sound very Opeth, but still has the mix between harsh and clean vocals.
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As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy.
That almost happened with their last album, actually. Mikael said that when writing new material he didn't like the metal based stuff he wrote at all. Thought it was disappointing and forced (I wish I remembered the source), and then he decided to write something he wanted to for a long time; Heritage. I have a good feeling that the next Opeth album will contain growls in the same way that Watershed contained growls, or maybe even Ghost Reveries. Too early to say, since they aren't even writing right now.
On the making of heritage DVD. Martin mendez didn't like what mikael wrote, "if this is going to be the new Opeth record, I'm going to be disappointed"
Wait... In regards to what was written before changing the music to Heritage, or in regards to Heritage itself?
Well said, Zantera; I hope Mikael finds a sweet spot that melds the two, and honestly I think the next album might surprise us with something along the lines of that. Either that or it's just going to keep getting more obscure and jazz-oriented. I think Storm Corrosion will tell us a lot. But we already have a general idea of what that's going to be so... Maybe he's using this side project as a muse. We'll see. /blindspeculation
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As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy.
That almost happened with their last album, actually. Mikael said that when writing new material he didn't like the metal based stuff he wrote at all. Thought it was disappointing and forced (I wish I remembered the source), and then he decided to write something he wanted to for a long time; Heritage. I have a good feeling that the next Opeth album will contain growls in the same way that Watershed contained growls, or maybe even Ghost Reveries. Too early to say, since they aren't even writing right now.
Yeah, I've read that already, he's said it in many interviews. Luckily he had the guts to try something new even though he knew it would disappoint many fans! :tup
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As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy.
That almost happened with their last album, actually. Mikael said that when writing new material he didn't like the metal based stuff he wrote at all. Thought it was disappointing and forced (I wish I remembered the source), and then he decided to write something he wanted to for a long time; Heritage. I have a good feeling that the next Opeth album will contain growls in the same way that Watershed contained growls, or maybe even Ghost Reveries. Too early to say, since they aren't even writing right now.
On the making of heritage DVD. Martin mendez didn't like what mikael wrote, "if this is going to be the new Opeth record, I'm going to be disappointed"
Wait... In regards to what was written before changing the music to Heritage, or in regards to Heritage itself?
To what was written before heritage. He enjoys heritage because he's more in the forefront.
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Just ordered my ticker for the Seattle Mastopeth show. Wasn't going to order online, but the venue they are playing at is half General admission and half seated. I figure GA would sell out fast, and I wanted to be sure that my friend and I (getting the other ticket as a surprise/birthday present) are in the same area during the gig.
Can't. Fucking. Wait.
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Got mine too. Though without doubt the best part of the night will be sleeping on Lat's inflatable mattress.
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Pittsburgh show, here I come. :)
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Got mine too. Though without doubt the best part of the night will be sleeping on Lat's inflatable mattress.
Yeah I know, I can't wait.
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:jamaritard:
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Oh man, I wish I could party with you two again :-\
I am about to buy my ticket for Denver even though I don't really know the other two bands.
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Oh man, I wish I could party with you two again :-\
I am about to buy my ticket for Denver even though I don't really know the other two bands.
If I had the money to fly you the fuck up here and back, I would totally do it. YOU COULD MEET MY PARENTS AND HELP MAKE THEM FEEL REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR FLYING A GIRL OLDER THAN ME UP NORTH.
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As long as they don't record a forced attempt to return to the Still Life/Blackwater Park era, (which I'm sure they won't do) I'll be happy.
That almost happened with their last album, actually. Mikael said that when writing new material he didn't like the metal based stuff he wrote at all. Thought it was disappointing and forced (I wish I remembered the source), and then he decided to write something he wanted to for a long time; Heritage. I have a good feeling that the next Opeth album will contain growls in the same way that Watershed contained growls, or maybe even Ghost Reveries. Too early to say, since they aren't even writing right now.
On the making of heritage DVD. Martin mendez didn't like what mikael wrote, "if this is going to be the new Opeth record, I'm going to be disappointed"
Wait... In regards to what was written before changing the music to Heritage, or in regards to Heritage itself?
To what was written before heritage. He enjoys heritage because he's more in the forefront.
martin mendez, you greedy bastard. :P
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I'm okay with it, the bass is one of my favorite parts to most of the songs on Heritage.
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Got my Mastopeth ticket. So excite.
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Oh man, I wish I could party with you two again :-\
I am about to buy my ticket for Denver even though I don't really know the other two bands.
If I had the money to fly you the fuck up here and back, I would totally do it. YOU COULD MEET MY PARENTS AND HELP MAKE THEM FEEL REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR FLYING A GIRL OLDER THAN ME UP NORTH.
:lol
And I got my ticket even though I'm broke as fuck right now and I still need to get plane tickets and shit.
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Got my ticket yesterday for Toronto!
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2012/palace-grounds-bangalore-india-3bdeaca4.html
If this is accurate, I think a lot of you will be happy. :caffeine:
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:dangerwillrobinson:
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*see the first few songs*
Me: Yeah big whoop same stuff we saw on the US/Europe tour SNOOZE
*see "In My Time of Need"*
Me: Oh fuck yes I love that song! You are now forgiven for playing "The Throat of Winter" when I saw you.
*sees 4 of their best and heaviest songs in a row*
Me: HOLY WHAT THE FUCK YOU BETTER PLAY THAT SHIT IN MAY!
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You are now forgiven for playing "The Throat of Winter" when I saw you.
wat
The Throat of Winter is a great song.
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From snorecore to roarcore. Color me a pleasant shade of happy. I'm thinking fuchsia.
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You are now forgiven for playing "The Throat of Winter" when I saw you.
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The Throat of Winter is a great song.
I think so too, though it seems to get a lot of...I wouldn't say 'hate', but dismissals around here.
As for that set-list...that is fucking awesome. I really wish I had the dough to go see both Opeth and Wilson this year but I've seen Opeth three times already so...not too much of a hit. Still, great to know they're playing the metulz.
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I have sort of mixed thoughts on The Throat of Winter.
For starters I think it's a cool little tune. An odd B-side, one of those songs that are fun to have seen live, but not something I would request again. The problem I could see people have with it would probably be that it removes one spot in the setlist for a song they really like.
But yeah, the end of the setlist I linked is just badass. :lol
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Its not an awful song, but its not one that makes me think "I bet this would be great live!" I mean, we got TToW instead of other songs they were playing that tour. Namely "Patterns in the Ivy II" which I think would be a lot cooler to see.
But whatever. We got "Credence." One song from MAYH is better than no songs.
Speaking of MAYH I may have to revise my top 50 albums, because I think I like that album more than BWP now.
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:caffeine:
From snorecore to roarcore. Color me a pleasant shade of happy. I'm thinking fuchsia.
I'll grab the glow-in-the-dark the body paint.
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(https://blog.just2us.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/excited-child.jpeg)
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Baying of the Hounds?
So, they are still playing death metal songs live....cool.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSC0beCi1F0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSC0beCi1F0)
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That setlist is awesome. Perfect mix of clean and filthy. It's got 3 of the best songs from Heritage, fan-favorites from Still Life and Damnation, and ends with 4 brutal rip your face off songs. THAT'S the kind of setlist Opeth should be utilizing more often. They please themselves with the first half and please the crowd with the second half. Everyone wins.
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/opeth/2012/palace-grounds-bangalore-india-3bdeaca4.html
If this is accurate, I think a lot of you will be happy. :caffeine:
That's more like it!
Wish they had playd these songs when I saw them last December. I feel like I got ripped off.
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Baying of the Hounds?
So, they are still playing death metal songs live....cool.
Um...? (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=27815.msg1056504#msg1056504)
(https://www.memestache.com/images/content/105440.jpg)
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Sorry I haven't been following the thread. I was under the impression that they were through with death metal, both in the studio and in a live setting. But it looks like the latter is still happening.
Unless of course, you're making fun of me for saying Opeth was death metal in the first place. In which case you're making fun of me for something I'm right about, so it is you who fail.
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(https://media.funlol.com/pictures/15998.jpg)
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Sorry I haven't been following the thread. I was under the impression that they were through with death metal, both in the studio and in a live setting. But it looks like the latter is still happening.
Unless of course, you're making fun of me for saying Opeth was death metal in the first place. In which case you're making fun of me for something I'm right about, so it is you who fail.
Unless you receive mail that reads "Scrotumville, USA" there's no need to get test(e,y). I figured, based on your failed Metallica generalization I linked in that post, that you may have just been playfully trying to razz the Opeth metal fans by sarcastically saying "cool" given your dislike for death metal vocals. If you wanna make fail accusations it go ahead but you were wrong in your assumption. I at least made it clear with the pic that I was unsure of your context.
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That wasn't a sarcastic 'cool'. Ghost Reveries is one of my favorite albums. I love Opeth's death metal side. And it is cool that they decided to continue playing those songs.
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Ahhh why did my show have to be the last one with the old setlist :( :(
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Well Ħ, I'm glad we got that settled. I wasn't trying to be rude or anything but I guess the context of my original post may have been awkwardly-presented.
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Okay.
Cool.
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:lol
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(https://www.memestache.com/images/content/105440.jpg)
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We all just have to accept that we're caught up in a massively fucked up, ever-failing system of communication.
I can't tell you how many mother-fucking-god-damn times I have been chewed out by a chick because I said something over 'texting' that could be conveyed as sarcastic when in reality I was being wholehearted and sincere. Really. I hate it. Text. And words. And numbers. And periods. And bloody vaginas. And old sushi. And people. And computers. And trees. I hate trees the most.
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Yeah, today for example, I was about to text this girl who said she'd hit me up yesterday but didn't "you're so cruel, so cruel" but I decided against it. Probably a good decision.
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We all just have to accept that we're caught up in a massively fucked up, ever-failing system of communication.
I can't tell you how many mother-fucking-god-damn times I have been chewed out by a chick because I said something over 'texting' that could be conveyed as sarcastic when in reality I was being wholehearted and sincere. Really. I hate it. Text. And words. And numbers. And periods. And bloody vaginas. And old sushi. And people. And computers. And trees. I hate trees the most.
I like that these two are right next to each other. :lol
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We all just have to accept that we're caught up in a massively fucked up, ever-failing system of communication.
I can't tell you how many mother-fucking-god-damn times I have been chewed out by a chick because I said something over 'texting' that could be conveyed as sarcastic when in reality I was being wholehearted and sincere. Really. I hate it. Text. And words. And numbers. And periods. And bloody vaginas. And old sushi. And people. And computers. And trees. I hate trees the most.
I like that these two are right next to each other. :lol
Horrible, horrible memories... Must've been my subconscious still suffering. Except now it's not so subconscious. :'(
Yeah, today for example, I was about to text this girl who said she'd hit me up yesterday but didn't "you're so cruel, so cruel" but I decided against it. Probably a good decision.
Hooha. Yes, without a doubt; that was a very good choice.
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SO GUYS YEAH ANYWAY THAT OPETH BAND IS PRETTY COOL RIGHT?
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*Looks in phonebook for phone numbers of copyright lawyers*
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Good luck on owning the color red.
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I LIKE STILL LIFE, IT'S A GOOD ALBUM
(https://www.nocleansinging.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Opeth-Still-Life.jpg)
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I find it odd that they're playing all the heavy songs in a row at the end of the show. Wouldn't it be more balanced if they were scattered through the set? Maybe it's less easy for Mikael to shift between clean and harsh vocals nowadays...
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I actually like that they're doing that, though.
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Still in debate if I should go see Opeth in April. Problem is my friends don't listen to anything hard let alone with growls all Alt Rock and indie stuff and going alone feels awkward. I'm really new to the band about a few months in but Heritage is definitely on the low end. I haven't given it as much listens as the other albums.
Ghost Reveries is probably my favorite it has the most listens so far and although Damnation doesn't have growls I really like the album its my #2. Still Life and MAYH and Blackwater Park still need more spins to separate those 3. I'm leaning towards Still Life being #3. Watershed/Deliverance have even less listens it all needs time! Haven't touched their first two albums yet.
All I know is that Opeth is the shit Mikael's growls are the best I've heard plus he has singing chops combine that with the music the band creates and its an eargasm.
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Dude, go. I've seen Opeth four times now and been alone at every show, no one cares.
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Luckily my dad shares a lot of music with me so that I always have him to go to concerts with. (apart from friends)
But if the choice was to see a band I really like (but to go alone) or not seeing them at all, I would see them every day of the week.
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I'm scared to going into Oakland that late. I don't drive and would be walking around waiting on public transportation.
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Ghost Reveries is probably my favorite it has the most listens so far
Good man. Ghost Reveries is the best album ever made. A literal masterpiece.
Dude, go. I've seen Opeth four times now and been alone at every show, no one cares.
Speaking for myself here, I never go to concerts alone not because anyone else would care, but because I would care. I wouldn't give a shit if someone knew I was there by myself. What I would care about is driving a long distance alone, being in a big city alone, and just not having anyone to enjoy the experience with.
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Ghost Reveries is probably my favorite it has the most listens so far
Good man. Ghost Reveries is the best album ever made. A literal masterpiece.
Dude, go. I've seen Opeth four times now and been alone at every show, no one cares.
Speaking for myself here, I never go to concerts alone not because anyone else would care, but because I would care. I wouldn't give a shit if someone knew I was there by myself. What I would care about is driving a long distance alone, being in a big city alone, and just not having anyone to enjoy the experience with.
Aye Aye Sir on Ghost Reveries :yarr :metal
Exactly I brought my friend to see DT in Sept he knew barely anything of the band and has no interest of listening to them even after the show but he told me he had a blast seeing them including Trivium.
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Good luck on owning the color red.
I'm just foolin' any way since I've had a small handful of folks playfully rib me about my frequent use of red/large font/etc.
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Dude, go. I've seen Opeth four times now and been alone at every show, no one cares.
Speaking for myself here, I never go to concerts alone not because anyone else would care, but because I would care. I wouldn't give a shit if someone knew I was there by myself. What I would care about is driving a long distance alone, being in a big city alone, and just not having anyone to enjoy the experience with.
Maybe I'm just so used to the big city, but going to shows in Seattle alone does not bother me if I absolutely have no one else to go with. Like when I saw Coheed last year. Ended up going alone, waited in line and met some new people and overall had an awesome experience. I actually like going alone once in a while, but hey that's just me.
Opeth on the other hand will be different. Glaurung is coming up North for the show, and I already purchased my friend her ticket as a surprise birthday present so I am forcing her go. Plus whoever else I know that will be interested in going (which should be a 2 or 3 others). Shits gonna be off da hook.
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Forgive me if I´wayyy out of line here, but did anyone post this already:
https://www.moshcam.com/tv/googletv/opeth-enmore-theatre-1007.aspx (https://www.moshcam.com/tv/googletv/opeth-enmore-theatre-1007.aspx)
? :hefdaddy
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Forgive me if I´wayyy out of line here, but did anyone post this already:
https://www.moshcam.com/tv/googletv/opeth-enmore-theatre-1007.aspx (https://www.moshcam.com/tv/googletv/opeth-enmore-theatre-1007.aspx)
? :hefdaddy
thanks for posting this! Will check it out when Im home
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Nice!!
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Wow thanks! I'm watching now!
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Yeah I watched it before, awesome!
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Well, in preparation for the upcoming concert I will be attending, I finally checked out Mastodon. I don't really care for most of their vocals, but damn, they just churn out awesome riff after awesome riff (based on listening to Leviathan, anyway).
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I think I'm just gonna go in without listening to the other two bands first. Hopefully it will be more exciting than it was when I did the same thing with Katatonia :lol
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Well, in preparation for the upcoming concert I will be attending, I finally checked out Mastodon. I don't really care for most of their vocals, but damn, they just churn out awesome riff after awesome riff (based on listening to Leviathan, anyway).
Although I most likely won't go to see Opeth, I checked out Mastodon and completely agree on the vocals and riffs. The drumming is all over the place too in a good way.
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You'll love Ghost, they're one of my favorite bands! Maybe they'll play a new song since they're working on their second album! :caffeine:
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The breakdown at the end the song Deliverance is amazing :metal
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reallllly wanna go see this show... gotta wait until my financial status clears out lol.
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The breakdown at the end the song Deliverance is amazing :metal
I remember having enough trouble getting the feel right that I memorized it as a phone number plus 5 extra digits:
454-1591 33336
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Every time I listen to Ghost Reveries my opinion of it improves.
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So listening to Heritage again, and really its quite a pleasant album. "Slither" feels really out of place, but otherwise it pulls off the 70s thing fairly well while only "sounding" like its from the 70s during a few moments. "Lines In My Hand" is kinda boring as well. Definitely not a style I want Opeth to continue pursuing though. I think this one experiment is fine. :lol
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Every time I listen to Ghost Reveries my opinion of it improves.
Same here bro. Get used to that feeling.
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Every time I listen to Ghost Reveries my opinion of it improves.
Every time I listen to Ghost Reveries, I leave feeling like it's missing something. :lol
I definitely don't share most Opeth fans' opinions on that one.
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I've only recently gotten into Opeth, so I've only really listened to their latest four albums. Ghost Reveries and Watershed are both fantastic albums, Heritage is decent, and Damnation is hit-and-miss, so far. I've noticed that even though I love the lighter parts of Opeth's albums with growls on them, I don't care much for their albums with only light parts. Perhaps it's the contrast between light and heavy that I'm enjoying so much.
Also, I plan to listen to Blackwater Park soon, since I keep hearing great things about that album.
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After listening to Heritage, it shows how evolved their songwriting has gotten. These are all well written and structured, then I listen to their older albums and realize it's pretty samey.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
Which in turn is funny. An example, some say ADTOE is taking it safe yet its amazing, then if they try something totally different *cough POW cough* it sucks. Which is why fans don't matter.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
Which in turn is funny. An example, some say ADTOE is taking it safe yet its amazing, then if they try something totally different *cough POW cough* it sucks. Which is why fans don't matter.
Which is funny because 'different' is not 'good' or 'bad' in and of itself. It depends on how well done 'different' is.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
Which in turn is funny. An example, some say ADTOE is taking it safe yet its amazing, then if they try something totally different *cough POW cough* it sucks. Which is why fans don't matter.
Which is funny because 'different' is not 'good' or 'bad' in and of itself. It depends on how well done 'different' is.
This. PoW was different and bad, while a song like Beneath the Surface was different for DT, but very good. There are some very different songs on Heritage that are good.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
Which in turn is funny. An example, some say ADTOE is taking it safe yet its amazing, then if they try something totally different *cough POW cough* it sucks. Which is why fans don't matter.
Which is funny because 'different' is not 'good' or 'bad' in and of itself. It depends on how well done 'different' is.
I get ya. But it shouldn't matter because it is still them getting to do what they want. And if one feels the band is capable of doing said experiment why not record it.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
Which in turn is funny. An example, some say ADTOE is taking it safe yet its amazing, then if they try something totally different *cough POW cough* it sucks. Which is why fans don't matter.
Which is funny because 'different' is not 'good' or 'bad' in and of itself. It depends on how well done 'different' is.
This. PoW was different and bad, while a song like Beneath the Surface was different for DT, but very good. There are some very different songs on Heritage that are good.
but that's what you think. I love it's structure and it's written good.
But what do I know Morningrise and Nectar are my faves.
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I agree. Heritage ranges from awful to kinda good. Very diverse level of quality. The older stuff ranges from awesome to awesome. Pretty one-dimensional if you ask me.
Which in turn is funny. An example, some say ADTOE is taking it safe yet its amazing, then if they try something totally different *cough POW cough* it sucks. Which is why fans don't matter.
Which is funny because 'different' is not 'good' or 'bad' in and of itself. It depends on how well done 'different' is.
I get ya. But it shouldn't matter because it is still them getting to do what they want. And if one feels the band is capable of doing said experiment why not record it.
Yeah, I understand, but just because they can, doesn't mean that I have to like it.
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
Bands making good music is one of the best things ever.
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
Bands making good music is one of the best things ever.
The King in Crimson is right. On the whole, bands generally miss way more than hit when they think outside of the box. Bands like Pink Floyd and the Beatles had an absolute knack for it. Opeth did well with it early on when they transitioned from a pure death metal band (pre-Orchid era, see Eternal Soul Torture and Into the Frost of Winter for instance) into a hybrid of death, prog, black and folk. Heritage has some fun moments but I feel like 5 months in, I've given it a ridiculously fair chance (15-20 full spins) and have hit a wall where I feel any further getting into it will be a process so gradual I won't notice it at the time but only in hindsight when maybe one day I'll think to myself "Man, this is pretty good. I remember I used to hate it and then only barely liked it after that."
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
Bands making good music is one of the best things ever.
I admire bands for being experimental and everything, but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is whether they make good music. The problem isn't with bands "playing it safe", the problem is that when they do that repeatedly their songwriting oftentimes becomes very stale. Opeth, who obviously has a specific sound/vibe that they stuck with for most of their career, has always maintained incredible songwriting.
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
Bands making good music is one of the best things ever.
Yeah but the two doesn't have to clash. Lars Ulrich once said that Metallica didn't sell out with The Black Album, but rather that they would have sold out if they had made another Thrash Metal album, just because the fans wanted them to do it. While I'm not saying that he's 100% right, he does make a very interesting point that I think people sometimes forget. Artists and bands playing it safe and doing exactly what the fans want, that's lame.
With Opeth, while I do really like Heritage, I don't like it as much as their other "best" albums, BUT.. I'm so glad that they tried something new instead of trying to write Still Life part 2. Like Mikael Åkerfeldt said himself, he couldn't possibly do anything more with the old sound, or carry it any further. I see his point. Opeth isn't exactly the most varied band, they had their sound which was very unique in itself, and sure there are minor differences if you start compare the albums, but rather have something new and refreshing, then something we've heard before, but much worse. :P
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
Bands making good music is one of the best things ever.
I admire bands for being experimental and everything, but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is whether they make good music. The problem isn't with bands "playing it safe", the problem is that when they do that repeatedly their songwriting oftentimes becomes very stale. Opeth, who obviously has a specific sound/vibe that they stuck with for most of their career, has always maintained incredible songwriting.
So much this.
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Bands playing it safe is one of the worse things ever.
Bands making good music is one of the best things ever.
Yeah but the two doesn't have to clash. Lars Ulrich once said that Metallica didn't sell out with The Black Album, but rather that they would have sold out if they had made another Thrash Metal album, just because the fans wanted them to do it. While I'm not saying that he's 100% right, he does make a very interesting point that I think people sometimes forget. Artists and bands playing it safe and doing exactly what the fans want, that's lame.
With Opeth, while I do really like Heritage, I don't like it as much as their other "best" albums, BUT.. I'm so glad that they tried something new instead of trying to write Still Life part 2. Like Mikael Åkerfeldt said himself, he couldn't possibly do anything more with the old sound, or carry it any further. I see his point. Opeth isn't exactly the most varied band, they had their sound which was very unique in itself, and sure there are minor differences if you start compare the albums, but rather have something new and refreshing, then something we've heard before, but much worse. :P
This is what I was trying to get out. I adore bands that do this and sometimes it'll be my favorite from said band.
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Opeth A Cappella cover - Deliverance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkKYYX_Ot6Y&feature=channel)
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I couldn't resist posting this misheard lyric from The Lines in My Hand:
PARTY BOYS OF INSANITY
BTW, when will the Opeth survivor continue? It's been a while since the last round for Watershed ended.
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I'll start it soon. I've procrastinated too much already and thanks for the reminder :tup
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As much as I dislike most of Heritage, the main riff to The Devil's Orchard has got to be one of the coolest riffs ever :metal
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As much as I dislike most of Heritage, the main riff to The Devil's Orchard has got to be one of the coolest riffs ever :metal
Agreed.
Also,
Still Life is the only Opeth album I ever feel like listening to. Even then, it's not often. The rest are just a "meh" factory to me.
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Yeah, that riff is really awesome.
As much as I dislike most of Heritage, the main riff to The Devil's Orchard has got to be one of the coolest riffs ever :metal
Agreed.
Also,
Still Life is the only Opeth album I ever feel like listening to. Even then, it's not often. The rest are just a "meh" factory to me.
I kind of agree.
I'll pick and choose songs from other albums, but if I pick a song from Still Life, I usually end up listening to the entire album. It's fresh every time.
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I feel the songs on that album are linked and are powerful. I also LOVE the story it tells. Godhead's Lament is probably my favorite on the album, with Serenity Painted Death in a close second.
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Still Life is probably my favourite, maybe a tie with BWP.
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Heritage is still my favorite album.
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Ghost Reveries is hard to beat IMHO.
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Just learned portions of Master's Apprentices on guitar because that main riff is :2metal: x infinity. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=389DkzjHpus)
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I don't understand Mikael now. Is he becoming more and more arrogant as time goes by or is it just a tongue-in-cheek gimmick?
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:|
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wat u say?
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I don't understand Mikael now. Is he becoming more and more arrogant as time goes by or is it just a tongue-in-cheek gimmick?
What? He's never been arrogant. That stuff he says about being a genius is clearly tongue-in-cheek. :P Even if it is mostly true.
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I don't understand Mikael now. Is he becoming more and more arrogant as time goes by or is it just a tongue-in-cheek gimmick?
What? He's never been arrogant. That stuff he says about being a genius is clearly tongue-in-cheek. :P Even if it is mostly true.
He pretty frequently uses words like "shit" to describe his own work, and he doesn't consider himself a good singer. I wouldn't call him arrogant at all.
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Hes a smart ass.
Quite good at it as well.
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I don't understand Mikael now. Is he becoming more and more arrogant as time goes by or is it just a tongue-in-cheek gimmick?
What? He's never been arrogant. That stuff he says about being a genius is clearly tongue-in-cheek. :P Even if it is mostly true.
He pretty frequently uses words like "shit" to describe his own work, and he doesn't consider himself a good singer. I wouldn't call him arrogant at all.
But he also jokes about he's a genius and a sexy beast which is what I think SDN is referring to.
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Ghost Reveries is by far their best album.
This.
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I don't understand Mikael now. Is he becoming more and more arrogant as time goes by or is it just a tongue-in-cheek gimmick?
What? He's never been arrogant. That stuff he says about being a genius is clearly tongue-in-cheek. :P Even if it is mostly true.
Oh. I see now ;)
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He's delighfully self-depricating, but at the same time has created this sort of stage persona that is so OTT and hilarious that it probably comes across as arrogant and egotistical.
The way I like to look at it is: let X = a contradiction.
(X*X)X.
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The way I like to look at it is: let X = a contradiction.
(X*X)X.
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I knew I'm the best fuckin' singer out there. Let's face it, I'm a full blown genius and sexy as fuck.
From the latest issue of Rock presents Prog, apparently he got voted the best singer by the readers or something. Still, an epic response like that is why I love Mikael. :lol
There's also an interview with Storm Corrosion, but nothing really new compared to what we've already learned through internet.
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why does My Arms, Your Hearse never get much love? i think it's a fantastic record, top to bottom. i could see a case being made for "Credence" being a bit meh, and the segues between songs are definitely poorly done, but the actual songs themselves are brilliant, right up there with Still Life and BWP songwriting (imo). Åkerfeldt's cold didn't inhibit his vocals much; hell, they made his growl even more menacing. the production is great too! totally overlooked record in a vast and awesome catalog.
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why does My Arms, Your Hearse never get much love? i think it's a fantastic record, top to bottom. i could see a case being made for "Credence" being a bit meh, and the segues between songs are definitely poorly done, but the actual songs themselves are brilliant, right up there with Still Life and BWP songwriting (imo). Åkerfeldt's cold didn't inhibit his vocals much; hell, they made his growl even more menacing. the production is great too! totally overlooked record in a vast and awesome catalog.
Agreed on all accounts; it's my favorite Opeth album by leaps and bounds. :tup
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Its not really underrated IMO, but its a fantastic record.
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MAYH has been the victim of unlucky timing for me. I downloaded a crop of random Opeth tracks back in '04 and loved 'em. Problem was the majority were from BWP and I was in the middle of a shift when I was a driver at Domino's one day and just HAD to have an Opeth album but the only CD place in my delivery area (we could be heavily disciplined if caught driving in another store's delivery area) was Barnes and Noble. They only had MAYH so I said fuck it and got it. Very good album with a vibe all its own that I like a lot to this day as I do all of their stuff except for half of Watershed and Heritage.
Problem was, while I was listening to awesomeness like April Ethereal, When, Demon of the Fall, and Karma, I was just thinking "Fuck, I really wanna hear The Leper Affinity, Bleak, etc." Just think of being on a date with a pretty cute chick the day after finding out a girl you carried a torch for during a very long period of time is getting married but with less crying and consolation masturbation at the end of the night (but not that much less.)
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MAYH has been the victim of unlucky timing for me. I downloaded a crop of random Opeth tracks back in '04 and loved 'em. Problem was the majority were from BWP and I was in the middle of a shift when I was a driver at Domino's one day and just HAD to have an Opeth album but the only CD place in my delivery area (we could be heavily disciplined if caught driving in another store's delivery area) was Barnes and Noble. They only had MAYH so I said fuck it and got it. Very good album with a vibe all its own that I like a lot to this day as I do all of their stuff except for half of Watershed and Heritage.
Problem was, while I was listening to awesomeness like April Ethereal, When, Demon of the Fall, and Karma, I was just thinking "Fuck, I really wanna hear The Leper Affinity, Bleak, etc." Just think of being on a date with a pretty cute chick the day after finding out a girl you carried a torch for during a very long period of time is getting married but with less crying and consolation masturbation at the end of the night (but not that much less.)
(https://i.imgur.com/ChplE.gif)
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:huh:
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RORORORORORO
I love coming back to Opeth having not listened to them for a few months. :heart
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Best album of 2011, hands down. Twice the replay value of ADTOE.
rumborak
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Heritage was around nr30-35 for me out of the albums in 2011, but I still hold it as much better then ADTOE.
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Best album of 2011, hands down. Twice the replay value of ADTOE.
rumborak
I subcribe the best album of 2011 part. Can't subscribe the ADTOE comment though since sadly ADTOE has zero replay value for me.
Speaking of Heritage, what bands of the 70s prog does it resemble the most? I'd like to listen to some more music in this vein, I absolutely love this record.
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Best album of 2011, hands down. Twice the replay value of ADTOE.
rumborak
I subcribe the best album of 2011 part. Can't subscribe the ADTOE comment though since sadly ADTOE has zero replay value for me.
Well, I was trying to be kind :lol Yeah, same here. I never find myself with the urge of listening to ADTOE these days. Despite it being a good album and MM having injected some new life into the band, these days they're bit on the outside of my taste.
rumborak
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Rumbo, Is your band still thinking about doing other prog covers in your sets?
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Best album of 2011, hands down. Twice the replay value of ADTOE.
rumborak
Woah, I had no idea you like Opeth. Cool.
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I think I listened to ADTOE twice since I got it.
I prefer the live versions of the Heritage songs. I don't know what it is about them but I just prefer them live.
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Rumbo, Is your band still thinking about doing other prog covers in your sets?
We are, at least in theory. We haven't met yet but plan to do so in late March to see what we're gonna do.
rumborak
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Well if so, post it here. I would love to see that.
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Still bummed they didn't play Famine when I saw them, but I guess it could be a bit tricky to play live. The flute-solo could be interesting to see how they would handle.
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I think I listened to ADTOE twice since I got it.
I prefer the live versions of the Heritage songs. I don't know what it is about them but I just prefer them live.
Hearing the songs live really helped improve my opinion of Heritage, but yeah, I can't really listen to the album versions much anymore. Too sterile.
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I think I listened to ADTOE twice since I got it.
I prefer the live versions of the Heritage songs. I don't know what it is about them but I just prefer them live.
For me, there was more energy in those songs when I saw them, and the heavier parts sounded really heavy, while on Heritage they sound "classic rock heavy" like Led Zeppelin or something. Distorted and heavy, but not the modern heaviness that Opeth can do so well, if that makes sense.
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Best album of 2011, hands down. Twice the replay value of ADTOE.
rumborak
I completely agree with both of the statements. Damn, it's a good album.
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Heritage is just perfect, time for my ranking
haxprocess
I feel the dark
Slither
nepenthe
The Lines In My Hands
Folklore
The Devils Orchard
Marrow of The Earth
Famine
Heritage
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Folklore
The Devil's Orchard
Slither
I Feel the Dark
The Lines In My Hands
Marrow of the Earth
Famine
Heritage
Nepenthe
Haxprocess
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Something like this:
Folklore
Famine (one of the most underrated Opeth songs ever)
I Feel the Dark
Häxprocess
The Devil's Orchard
The Lines in My Hand
Slither
Marrow of the Earth
Nepenthe
Heritage
Overall, I think Heritage is a solid album and I would place it in the upper half of the Opeth discography in my ranking. One of my favorite things about Heritage (and Watershed too) is the diversity - each song has its own unique identity.
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Yep, Heritage is great, definitely one of my favorite Opeth albums. My ranking would be something like this:
I Feel The Dark
Famine
The Devil's Orchard
The Lines In My Hand
Folklore
Häxprocess
Nepenthe
Slither
Marrow of the Earth
Heritage
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I Feel The Dark
(Pyre)
Folklore
Marrow Of The Earth
(Face In The Snow)
Heritage
Nepenthe
Haxprocess
The Devil's Orchard
Famine
The Lines In My Hand
Slither
The bonus tracks are just too good not to have on there. Slither should have been taken off in place of Pyre and maaaybe Face In The Snow added onto the list somewhere. But it's an amazing album, definitely album of the year for '11. Fantastically haunting and mellow.
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I agree that Pyre should have been on the album. Great song.
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The ending of Folklore gives me shivers because of its awesomeness.
rumborak
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Yep, Pyre should've been on the album.
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The ending of Folklore gives me shivers because of its awesomeness.
rumborak
The ending of Folklore makes it the best song on the album.
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The ending of Folklore gives me shivers because of its awesomeness.
rumborak
The ending of Folklore makes it the best song on the album.
YES
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The ending of Marrow Of The Earth gives me shivers because of its awesomeness.
rumborak
The ending of Marrow Of The Earth makes it the best song on the album.
YES
FTFY.
Even though Folklore has an awesome ending... the trance that Marrow puts me in is incomparable. It's like I'm being hypnotized by some guitar-strumming Golem who has awoken from his lair of rotting marrow and diatomaceous earth to lull me into a trance of ecstasy and swallow me whole.
But HARK, the inside of his body...is but another rocky chamber...just like the Earth I was taken from...
:millahhhh
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
Deliverance has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
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Folklore
The Lines In My Hand
The Devil's Orchard
Slither
Famine
Pyre
Nepenthe
I Feel The Dark
Haxprocess
Face In The Snow
Marrow Of The Earth
Heritage
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
Deliverance has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
I agree that Deliverance's outro overstays its welcome. A Fair Judgment's outro was amazing live the way they kept slowing it down though.
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
Deliverance has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
I'm with ya. I remember having the Deliverance jewel case in my hand when listening to it for the first time and saw that the song was 13 minutes. Once that outro motif made it to an entire 90 seconds I was desperately hoping it wouldn't be the only thing the song had remaining to offer and was pretty annoyed and disappointed to see it turn out that way. Only Under the Weeping Moon and Advent have drawn-out moments that repel me more.
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
Deliverance has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
I'm with ya. I remember having the Deliverance jewel case in my hand when listening to it for the first time and saw that the song was 13 minutes. Once that outro motif made it to an entire 90 seconds I was desperately hoping it wouldn't be the only thing the song had remaining to offer and was pretty annoyed and disappointed to see it turn out that way. Only Under the Weeping Moon and Advent have drawn-out moments that repel me more.
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They suck at times because of how repetitive they are and this is coming from an Åkerfeldt-fellating fanboy whose favorite band since 2004 has been them. Bring something relevant. I'm not bothered by your joke but just curious what you can say in those two songs' defense.
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
Deliverance has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
No
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Dude, you're nucking futs! That outro rocks all kinds of hairy balls! Check out the live version on Lamentations. Now tell me that doesn't rock. :metal
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A Fair Judgement has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
Fixed. One of the main reasons I find Orchid and Morningrise more enjoyable than Deliverance (which is easily the worst Opeth album IMO) is that I prefer hearing three riffs in one minute to hearing one riff repeated for three minutes.
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Well wrong, Deliverance is their second best album. (after Ghost Reveries) :biggrin:
I somewhat agree with A Fair Judgement, the outro is not bad, but it ruins the song a bit for me. Would have preferred it if the song was all mellow (the last part is the heaviest after all), and the outro itself is not bad, just a bit out of place for me.
Harlequin Forest also has an outro that just seems to go on.
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I like the outro to A Fair Judgement. I love the outro to deliverance. And I absolutely adore the outro to Harlequin Forest (it's probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite Opeth song).
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They suck at times because of how repetitive they are and this is coming from an Åkerfeldt-fellating fanboy whose favorite band since 2004 has been them. Bring something relevant. I'm not bothered by your joke but just curious what you can say in those two songs' defense.
Have I not made it clear how much I love every last second of Opeth's first two records?
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Now that you mention it, I remember but I still find this section of UtWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w5M718RnFk#t=196s) quite tedious since it really is just Mike doing the occasional volume swell over Peter playing the same 3-note arpeggio (with the highest of those three notes raised a half-step every 4th time he plays it) for 2:45. Almost the length of an entire song in some cases. They probably have other sections that drag on this long (or longer) but the big issue for me is that there is so very little added to Peter's simple part that it becomes really hard to not wanna skip to the 6:01 mark as soon as I've heard a good 45 seconds of that section.
Furthermore, folks like you and I are probably two of the biggest fans of Orchid/Morningrise on this forum but it still doesn't mean we're gonna not have an issue with any part of those albums whatsoever.
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Little late on my ranking, but I don't care:
Nepenthe
Folklore
I Feel The Dark
The Devil's Orchard
Haxprocess
The Lines In My Hand
Slither
Famine
Heritage
Marrow Of The Earth
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Orchid and Morningrise are awesome. I don't know, I sometimes feel like they get bashed because they were released by Opeth. I mean, a band that has done albums like Blackwater Park, Still Life & Ghost Reveries, obviously the first two albums won't be as good mixed or as good sounding (though I don't find them bad), and it would be bizarre if the songwriting hadn't progressed in all these years, but I still think they are both awesome albums.
The Night and the Silent Water, Under the Weeping Moon, In Mist She Was Standing.. they are full of badass songs.
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At first I thought the outro in Folklore was pretty meh, sounded like a cheesy 80's song. Now I think it's quite good. Nothing mindblowing or anything, but a solid outro.
Deliverance will never be topped by Opeth in terms of badass outro though. :P
Deliverance has the most uselessly long outro of any song ever. It's not enough to ruin the song, but it comes close.
No
Yes :neverusethis:
Now that you mention it, I remember but I still find this section of UtWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w5M718RnFk#t=196s) quite tedious since it really is just Mike doing the occasional volume swell over Peter playing the same 3-note arpeggio (with the highest of those three notes raised a half-step every 4th time he plays it) for 2:45. Almost the length of an entire song in some cases. They probably have other sections that drag on this long (or longer) but the big issue for me is that there is so very little added to Peter's simple part that it becomes really hard to not wanna skip to the 6:01 mark as soon as I've heard a good 45 seconds of that section.
Furthermore, folks like you and I are probably two of the biggest fans of Orchid/Morningrise on this forum but it still doesn't mean we're gonna not have an issue with any part of those albums whatsoever.
I dunno, I kinda like that section and I generally find Orchid to be an, at best, 'tedious listen.' At least it's atmospheric rather than monotonous like Deliverance's outro.
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Morningrise 8/10
Orchid lol/10
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Orchid > Lolningrise
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The outros to both Deliverance and A Fair Judgement are both amazing. Some of you guys must be smoking some bad shit. :hat :biggrin:
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My penis grows an inch every time I listen to the Deliverance outro.
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My penis grows an inch every time I listen to the Deliverance outro.
No matter how big it gets, Deliverance's outro will still be longer. :D
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My penis grows an inch every time I listen to the Deliverance outro.
No matter how big it gets, Deliverance's outro will still be longer. :D
:lol
Orchid and Morningrise are amazing and neither is in the bottom 3rd of Opeth albums.
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Orchid > Lolningrise
This.
TAKE THAT LAT
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My penis grows an inch every time I listen to the Deliverance outro.
No matter how big it gets, Deliverance's outro will still be longer. :D
:rollin
Morningrise isn't in the bottom 3rd, but Orchid is well entrenched.
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My penis grows an inch every time I listen to the Deliverance outro.
You should probably listen to it more then mate.
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OH SNAP
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Now that you mention it, I remember but I still find this section of UtWM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w5M718RnFk#t=196s) quite tedious since it really is just Mike doing the occasional volume swell over Peter playing the same 3-note arpeggio (with the highest of those three notes raised a half-step every 4th time he plays it) for 2:45. Almost the length of an entire song in some cases. They probably have other sections that drag on this long (or longer) but the big issue for me is that there is so very little added to Peter's simple part that it becomes really hard to not wanna skip to the 6:01 mark as soon as I've heard a good 45 seconds of that section.
That section is so epic IMO. Probably my favorite song from Orchid.
Morningrise 8/10
Orchid lol/10
Dunno, I've always liked Orchid more than Morningrise.
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My penis grows an inch every time I listen to the Deliverance outro.
You should probably listen to it more then mate.
Nothing's ever good enough for you, Tahlia. I don't know why I even try anymore.
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Yes, you could say everything is never enough.
:neverusethis:
AM I FUNNY YET?
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"I don't get it"
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Gadouche.
Bet you haven't heard that one before huh.
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For both of you. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGczXkknl80
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OMG MAYH is amazing.
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Spent some time on youtube trying to sample what everyone raves about. Listened to most of Still Life and Blackwater Park. The music is awesome, and the singing really good. But the death vocals kill it dead. I can't get past it. Then I listened to heritage 'cos I'd heard they had done away with the growls. Music was nothing special and the singing was boring and it sounded like Atomic Rooster.
Guess I'm just not going to be a fan. I tried tough.
Such a shame. The early music though... :hefdaddy
I'll get out of your way now.
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Just keep trying to get into it! Maybe you'll like it. At least check out the album Damnation. You'll love it.
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Unless the listener already listens to Death Metal, Opeth really isn't the kind of band you could expect to click rightaway. Growl-vocals may not be for everyone, but they need time to grow on you.
Personally I think that Opeth without growl would be... dull. They have been able to make Damnation and Heritage somewhat interesting, but really heavy music (like Opeth's heaviest moments) combined with clean vocals, would be pretty meh. There are heavy songs without growls (like Porcelain Heart), but most of the singing is during the softer parts.
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Well said, Zant (cool Zelda character), but I'd like to chime in to say that I absolutely abhorred any music with any kind of growls before Opeth (and BTBAM soon after). Listening to this band changed my perspective entirely after a good while, but there was a period of a few weeks where I'd been through about half their discography, just listening to random songs on different albums before anything clicked at all. Then I traveled to NY for Prog Nation and saw them live and that changed everything; from that moment on I was in love with that gurgled death rattle of a (sexymanboomboom) growl.
So, while I'm not one to push others into listening to music, it would behoove you to keep an open mind. You can't force music, (or any tastes for that matter) but unless you really know that you don't like it and never will, try listening to some live albums, or watch a live DVD; it may change your perspective on the vocals. I myself love Heritage, but I agree that the vocals are a bit bland; it's the instrumentals that really drew me into that album.
Now I'm just dying for some growls and new Opeth...
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So I just listening to Heritage for the first time and it's easily my favorite Opeth release.
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So I just listening to Heritage for the first time and it's easily my favorite Opeth release.
Took me about 20(!) full listens to completely understand that album, but it's easily one of my favourites as well.
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Yeah it took me many many listens to understand it, but now I appreciate it for what it is. I wouldn't call it one of my favourites though.
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Given the fact that one of Mikael's big inspirations for the album is Captain Beefheart, the outcome is far from weird. I don't know if anyone else here has heard some stuff from Captain Beefheart, but my dad played "Trout Mask Replica" in the car, and holy fuck that was weird. :lol
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Heritage is one of the hardest albums to get into for me. It's still growing on me!
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Beefheart is a genius, but I don't see a connection between him and Heritage.
Strange that he called it one of his inspirations,Beefheart has a very distinctive and unique sound. Only Zappa comes to mind when you want something to compare with him. Not Opeth though
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OPETH's Founder DAVID ISBERG Recovering After Brutal Assault (https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=171839)
Sucks to hear, there are lots of morons in this world! :facepalm: :tdwn
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I was sad when reading that short writeup about the attack and then warmly chuckled inside when I saw his pose in the pic.
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Thats terrible! :(
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So I just listening to Heritage for the first time and it's easily my favorite Opeth release.
>listen once
>favorite Opeth album
>lol
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...Wowee...ugh...
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HEY GUYS!
DID YOU KNOW THE NEW ALBUM IS NOW STREAMING?!
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:lol
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HEY GUYS!
DID YOU KNOW THE NEW ALBUM IS NOW STREAMING?!
I was just thinking about this when I opened the thread this morning.
ARE WE RELATED LETS FUCK?
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ARE WE RELATED LETS FUCK?
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:lol :lol
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So according to an interview with Wilson, there is a surround sound mix of Damnation that has been sitting around for years, waiting to be released. MAKE IT HAPPEN DAMN IT
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So according to an interview with Wilson, there is a surround sound mix of Damnation that has been sitting around for years, waiting to be released. MAKE IT HAPPEN DAMN IT
There is also a bonus track that will be included on the release of the edition with the 5.1 mix. I'm guessing it will come out around 2013 as a 10 year anniversary thing.
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So according to an interview with Wilson, there is a surround sound mix of Damnation that has been sitting around for years, waiting to be released. MAKE IT HAPPEN DAMN IT
DO WANT
Also want a surround sound system :x
I'd also like to state that MAYH might be my favorite Opeth album now. I am so glad I spent $20 on the vinyl a year and a half ago. Gave me a new appreciation for the album that I didn't have before.
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Every Opeth fan here should check out these guys:
https://www.cdbaby.com/cd/gwynbleidd2
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MAYH is fucking awesome, one of my favourites, definitely.
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MAYH has been my favorite Opeth album for a while now and continues to be. It's a beautifully crafted slab of pure carnal rage-meat. You can craft meat. I dun it. I seen'd it. I've got my own meat-crafting guild.
From 'When' into 'Madrigal' is the most amazing moment in the history of amazing. As are the rest of the transitions from song to song on the album but that one is extra saucy thanks to Madrigal being as beautiful as a plump but not too fat booty.
I'm really sick and I just chugged half a bottle of Nyquil so excuuuuuuuuuse me, princess.
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From 'When' into 'Madrigal' is the most amazing moment in the history of amazing. As are the rest of the transitions from song to song on the album but that one is extra saucy thanks to Madrigal being as beautiful as a plump but not too fat booty.
the transitions (aside from the obvious "Madrigal" -> "The Amen Corner") are actually my only complaint!
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Morningrise >>>>> My Arms Your Hearse
come at me bros
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Innnnnnnteresting *Caresses nonexistent beard which flows like the blood of the gods of ancient Babylon down my chiseled, hairless chest, which is marked by a grotesque, yet somehow amazingly sexy scar given to me by a lion who was my uncle*
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Orchid >>>>> Morningrise
yeah.
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lol
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yeah, that was what I thought of yours as well :lol
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</3
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sorry dude, that stuff happens.
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(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_5810_1323301078.jpg)
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I'm going to report you both if you don't make love in front of me.
er...make up.
Opeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opeth
CAN YOU DEAL WITH THAT!? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niCibShvHmU&t=0m48s)
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i think my brain just asploded
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I'm going to report you both if you don't make love in front of me.
er...make up.
Opeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opeth
CAN YOU DEAL WITH THAT!?
lol you beat me to it
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Morningrise >>>>> My Arms Your Hearse
come at me bros
For a while I was beginning to think you were a pretty cool guy. I almost even considered you my acquaintance.
Now you reveal yourself. You are the antithesis of everything good.
God DAMMIT Gadough.
Also I listened to Orchid today and its still quite good.
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I've only really listened to Watershed, Ghost Reveries, and Still Life. I honestly find everything else to be extremely bland and generic Opeth. Maybe not Blackwater Park. But everything else. I don't see what's so great about either Morningrise or My Arms Your Hearse.
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I've only really listened to Watershed, Ghost Reveries, and Still Life.
I don't see what's so great about either Morningrise or My Arms Your Hearse.
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Audience reaction for songs:
"The Devil's Orchard" - :metal
Next 6 songs - :|
"The Grand Conjuration" - :metal
"Demons of the Fall" - :metal
Mellopeth is not nearly as fun.
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For the first three albums: MAYH > Orchid > Morningrise.
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For the first three albums: MAYH > Orchid > Morningrise.
Yeah, this is right.
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For the first three albums: MAYH > Orchid >>>>>>>>>>>>> Morningrise.
That is correct.
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I don't think it needs several ">", while I don't like Morningrise as much as Orchid or MAYH, it does have The Night and the Silent Water (which I think is a top10 Opeth-song) but Advent is pretty kickass too.
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All are great and pretty even for me.
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For the first three albums: MAYH > Orchid > Morningrise.
Yay!
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Just saw Opeth for the second time on Monday w/ Mastodon and Ghost....Really amazing show.
The Devils Orchard, Slither, and The Lines in My Hand were surprisingly great live (I liked them more then on the album, except for maybe TDO). The crowd really seemed antcy tho for the heavy stuff and when they played The Grand Conjuration and Deliverance, the place exploded.
I have to admit, I do like the Heritage stuff better live than on the studio album, but still it definitely doesn't compare to when they play the heavy shit.
Mastodon was amazing too.
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I still think they should have put Pyre on the album. I wouldn't have mind if Slither had ended up as a B-side instead.
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I still think they should have put Pyre on the album. I wouldn't have mind if Slither had ended up as a B-side instead.
True, Pyre is very good and Slither is my least favourite song on the album.
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Mikael quit Bloodbath.
https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172549&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172549&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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Not surprising at all.
In fact, I'm surprised it took him this long.
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Ghost Reveries
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
Watershed
The rest.
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Ghost Reveries
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
Watershed
The rest.
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Ghost Reveries
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
Watershed
The rest.
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This. Ghost Reveries at the top is not something I can live with.
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Then don't.
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This. Ghost Reveries at the top is not something I can live with.
Yeah, that's not quite what I meant.
Ghost Reveries is the greatest album ever.
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Mikael quit Bloodbath.
https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172549&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=172549&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
I guess it was bound to happen. First Dan Swano now Mikael, to be honest, I really don't care about Bloodbath anymore.
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The comments on that are so fucking stupid.
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>implying comments on any Opeth-related news article aren't going to be fucking retarded
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>implying comments on any metal-related news article aren't going to be fucking retarded
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Metalsucks is full of awesome comments, 300 or so from yours truly.
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Nobody on here will even remotely resemble this list:
Still Life
Orchid
Blackwater Park
Morningrise
My Arms Your Hearse
Ghost Reveries
Damnation
Deliverance
Watershed
Heritage
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I just bought Heritage.
I really freaking love it.
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Me too. It's in my top 10 Opeth albums.
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Me too. It's in my top 10 Opeth albums.
I see what you did there :azn:
Heritage is definitely one of my favorites, but an album without his trademark growls can never be my most favorite.
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Me too. It's in my top 10 Opeth albums.
Why did I laugh at this
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
Orchid
Watershed
Damnation
Deliverance
Heritage
Love all of em though!
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Me too. It's in my top 10 Opeth albums.
Why did I laugh at this
Because my posts are brilliant.
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>implying comments on any Opeth-related news article aren't going to be fucking retarded
>implying comments on Blabbermouth aren't going to be fucking retarted
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This. Ghost Reveries at the top is not something I can live with.
Yeah, that's not quite what I meant.
Ghost Reveries is the greatest album ever.
You hate me, don't you?
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Ghost Reveries is their best. ;)
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I can't help it, but I just don't think it is, although I do find it very good.
I'd put in 4th and I can still love it.
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For me the only album that has challenged it for the first spot is Deliverance. Still Life is third, and still a masterpiece.
I don't know, an album with Ghost of Perdition, The Baying of the Hounds, Isolation Years and Harlequin Forest is pretty hard to beat.
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Yes, I know. Ghost of Perdition and Harlequin Forest are two top Opeth tracks for me, but as a whole album, I prefer 3 others.
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Ghost Reveries is their best. ;)
This guy knows the deal.
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Enjoying Heritage as much as I do may be because I have absolutely no history with Opeth except for owning and listening a bit to Orchid as a freshman in high school.
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Eh, I've got a 'puter and hands so what the fuck.
My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park
Heritage
Still Life
Deliverance
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Watershed
Orchid
Damnation
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...Heritage before Still Life?
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All for you, Heretic.
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This. Ghost Reveries at the top is not something I can live with.
Yeah, that's not quite what I meant.
Ghost Reveries is the greatest album ever.
You hate me, don't you?
No, of course not. I don't hate anyone.
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All for you, Heretic.
:lol :lol :lol
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All for you, Heretic.
:lol
My ranking would be like this, I guess:
Still Life
My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Orchid
Heritage
Watershed
Damnation
Deliverance
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i miss zantera's hot chick avatar. :-\
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Surprised Watershed is ranking so low in everyones lists (including mine!). Great list Tio, nice to see MAYH on top for a change :) Raven, your list would be pretty much identical to mine if you moved MAYH down a couple spots (or I moved it up! :p) and Heritage went down a bit. Good list!
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Ghost Reveries
Blackwater Park
Damnation
Still Life
Deliverance
Watershed
My Arms, Your Hearse
Morningrise
Orchid
Heritage
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Still Life
Blackwater Park
Deliverance
Watershed
Ghost Reveries
Morningrise
Heritage
Damnation
MAYH
Orchid
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i miss zantera's hot chick avatar. :-\
I tend to change every 4-5 months. :P
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My ranking would probably be something like:
1. Blackwater Park
2. Watershed
3. Ghost Reveries
4. Heritage
5. Still Life
6. My Arms, Your Hearse
7. Damnation
8. Deliverance
9. Orchid
10. Morningrise
5-10 are really close together, those albums will probably change places from time to time.
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1. My Arms, Your Hearse
2. Still Life
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3. Blackwater Park
4. Damnation
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5. Watershed
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6. Ghost Reveries
7. Deliverance
8. Heritage
Don't know Orchid or Morningrise as well as the others. Shocking MAYH is so low on peoples' lists. It's fucking unbelievable. The snobby side of me thinks it's probably due to two factors: One, people don't know it that well and two, the production stops people from trying to.
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Fine, here we go.
1. Ghost Reveries
2. Deliverance
3. Still Life
4. My Arms, Your Hearse
5. Blackwater Park
6. Watershed
7. Orchid
8. Heritage
9. Morningrise
10. Damnation
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I go back and forth with Watershed and Ghost Reveries in my number one spot.
I am certain Heritage is last though.
Snooze city.
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1. Still Life
2. Watershed
3. Ghost Reveries
--- Gap ---
4. Blackwater Park
--- Gap ---
5. Damnation
6. Deliverance
7. Heritage
--- Big Gap ---
8. Orchid
I really need to get off my ass and listen to MAYH and Morningrise. :P
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1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. Watershed
4. Deliverance
5. Still Life
6. Heritage
7. Damnation
I've haven't listened enough to the rest to form an opinion.
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I was supposed to go to the Pittsburgh show tonight, but now I'm not gonna make it. My brother has two tickets, but he's not feeling well enough to go. I would have to drive an hour out of my way to pick them up, then another hour to get to the show, and I can't find anyone else to go with me (what a surprise, most people aren't Mastodon/Opeth fans), so I'm not really feeling the drive.
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If I were you I would totally go, but I guess it depends how big of a fan you are. And I don't mean that in a bad way, but if you don't think it's worth it, then it isn't, but personally I think it would be worth it. :P
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Yeah, on a normal basis, every concert I've gone to that wasn't in town (basically all but 2) it was at least a 5 hour drive, the longest being 9 hours. Of course I'm a road dog and enjoy roadtrips :laugh:
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I was supposed to go to the Pittsburgh show tonight, but now I'm not gonna make it. My brother has two tickets, but he's not feeling well enough to go. I would have to drive an hour out of my way to pick them up, then another hour to get to the show, and I can't find anyone else to go with me (what a surprise, most people aren't Mastodon/Opeth fans), so I'm not really feeling the drive.
lol, 2 hours? I'm driving for 5.
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I drove for about 7 to see Symphony X open for Blind Guardian during the Odyssey era. Well worth it and I still have the pick that Romeo reluctantly gave me after much annoyance.
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I drove for about 7 to see Symphony X open for Blind Guardian during the Odyssey era. Well worth it and I still have the pick that Romeo reluctantly gave me after much annoyance.
Hey man
Romeo
HEY
Can I have that pick?
CAN I? PLEASE!
CAN I HAVE IT
...FUCK YES.
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Has anyone picked up the BWP reissue yet? I'm curious to know about what folks think about the 5.0 mix on DVD.
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Has anyone picked up the BWP reissue yet? I'm curious to know about what folks think about the 5.0 mix on DVD.
Yeah, I got it it two years ago and I love it! (It was first released in the UK for around $10 and it is kinda funny that it was reissued in the US for $20)
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So, are those the same as the reissues being discussed here?
https://pitchfork.com/news/45977-opeth-launch-reissue-campaign/ (https://pitchfork.com/news/45977-opeth-launch-reissue-campaign/)
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Guys guys, I need your help. I can't decide which is my favorite Opeth record- Still Life or Blackwater Park. Some days I think SL, some days BWP, and so on and so forth. So, because thinking for yourself is fucking overrated and lame, I turn now to you DTF to decide for me: which do I like more???
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Guys guys, I need your help. I can't decide which is my favorite Opeth record- Still Life or Blackwater Park. Some days I think SL, some days BWP, and so on and so forth. So, because thinking for yourself is fucking overrated and lame, I turn now to you DTF to decide for me: which do I like more???
Ghost Reveries. :biggrin:
I think both SL and BWP are pretty even. I tend to like SL more though, I feel like it's slightly more cohesive, I've never really been blown away by Dirge For November or The Funeral Portrait. (Don't get me wrong, both are great songs, but they've never hit me like the others)
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I drove for about 7 to see Symphony X open for Blind Guardian during the Odyssey era. Well worth it and I still have the pick that Romeo reluctantly gave me after much annoyance.
Hey man
Romeo
HEY
Can I have that pick?
CAN I? PLEASE!
CAN I HAVE IT
...FUCK YES.
Well, ya nailed my posting style but I was probably even more annoying than that since this was in late '02 when Romeo was a little more curmudgeonly than he is now. Ever since he dropped some weight and SX became more popular, he seems a little more laid back and outgoing.
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Guys guys, I need your help. I can't decide which is my favorite Opeth record- Still Life or Blackwater Park. Some days I think SL, some days BWP, and so on and so forth. So, because thinking for yourself is fucking overrated and lame, I turn now to you DTF to decide for me: which do I like more???
Ghost Reveries. :biggrin:
Hah! I knew you were going to say that. GR sits firmly at #3 in my ranking. I love it just not as much as SL & BWP. Those two together with GR make up my holy trinity of Opeth albums. Also, I don't have the first three albums or Deliverance so for all I know one of those might be my fave and I just don't know it yet. But as it stands right now SL and BWP are fighting it out for #1. Help me DTF-Kenobi, you're my only hope. Which do I like better?
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Still Life!
I also recommend you to get the albums you don't have. Deliverance is a bit hit or miss with people, personally I think it's their second best, and I know there are people who agree with me on it's awesomeness, but some don't like it at all. My Arms Your Hearse is generally regarded one of the band's best albums, and in the same class as BWP and SL.
Orchid and Morningrise are generally considered a bit weaker, but I think they have some really badass songs, and they are certainly worth checking out. As far as a debut album goes, I think Orchid is a very good one. :hat
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I was supposed to go to the Pittsburgh show tonight, but now I'm not gonna make it. My brother has two tickets, but he's not feeling well enough to go. I would have to drive an hour out of my way to pick them up, then another hour to get to the show, and I can't find anyone else to go with me (what a surprise, most people aren't Mastodon/Opeth fans), so I'm not really feeling the drive.
lol, 2 hours? I'm driving for 5.
Eh. I have a pretty tiresome work schedule right now and can't get enough sleep as it is. It wasn't worth it to me.
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I love Opeth, but they gotta up their game with their current sets. You're playing with Mastodon! Enough Heritage! :lol
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I think their general fanbase can appreciate it.
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Has anyone picked up the BWP reissue yet? I'm curious to know about what folks think about the 5.0 mix on DVD.
The 5.0 mix has been around for a while already. I haven't listened to it yet though. That said, the digibook is fuggin beautiful and worth getting just for that.
I'm kinda curious why Damnation and Deliverance are also getting reissues. Are they difficult to find now or something?
Guys guys, I need your help. I can't decide which is my favorite Opeth record- Still Life or Blackwater Park. Some days I think SL, some days BWP, and so on and so forth. So, because thinking for yourself is fucking overrated and lame, I turn now to you DTF to decide for me: which do I like more???
Still Life.
You know it's true.
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All for you, Heretic.
:D I knew this would happen when I chose this username.
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A bit late, but I'll try a ranking. (haven't heard Deliverance, Ghost Reveries or Still Life enough times to give a fair ranking)
1: Blackwater Park
2: Wattershed
3: Damnation
4: Heritage
5: My Arms, Your Hearse
6: Opeth
7: Morningrise
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After two god damn months of waiting, my ticket for Mastopeth have officially arrived in the mail. Two from today, can't wait.
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I'm kinda curious why Damnation and Deliverance are also getting reissues. Are they difficult to find now or something?
The End records got the rights to all of the Opeth catalogue from Music for Nations so that's why those two albums were released. Money grab basically.
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1. BWP, Deliverance, Ghost Reveries
4. Still Life
5. Damnation (though depressing as fuck, even by opeth standards)
6. Watershed
7. Morningrise
8. Heritage
9. Orchid
10. My Farms, Your Horse
to be fair, Watershed could easily be higher on my list...its just that i was getting over my fanboyness to the band prior to its release and never really gave it the number of spins it deserved. i'm gonna throw it in now.
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My Arms, Your Hearse last... :omg:
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ya. i dont wanna get into it; i was already chased from this thread once for hating on it.
i traded my copy of my farms, your horse to a(n ex-)friend for a live in flames album about 10 years back. not that im into in flames, but i did find that i was trading up.
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Well, it's all opinions really. Was just surprised. It's hard for me to see, when people diss on Orchid and Morningrise, in many of the cases it's because of the production or the sound, or the songs not being as "good", but with MAYH I don't think there's anything in particular that stands out as a negative factor. And it has "Demon of the Fall" and "When" for example. :P
Don't worry, I'm not gonna chase you down with a pitchfork, I just thought that part of the ranking was... interesting.
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I'll be happy to pickup Zant's slack and pitchfork and chase you down myself. :P Butsrsly, that opinion hurts my ear soul. Then again, I'm pretty sure every single musical opinion I have hurts someone's ear soul even more than mine; I may have even purged some ear souls from their body and damned them to purgatory, forever riding the undulating waves of white noise for earturnity.
I like the name though, having an immense love for horse meat. Not horse cock. I don't like that. I like chopping apart the bodies of horses and cooking them slowly over a hellfire in the heart of Winter though; that's real nice...with Credence playing in the background...and then into Karma, which is when I begin to feast on the body of the horse. Dat outro...RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :heart :heart :heart
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There was a time when I didn't think much of MAYH, but now after being into the band for 3 years, it sits comfortably in the top4. It might even climb into the top3, I feel like some of the other albums have fallen down a bit. BWP and SL are still amazing, but have lost a tiny bit of charm, meanwhile MAYH has maintained it's charm and gotten even better with each listen. :hat
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ya. i dont wanna get into it; i was already chased from this thread once for hating on it.
i traded my copy of my farms, your horse to a(n ex-)friend for a live in flames album about 10 years back. not that im into in flames, but i did find that i was trading up.
Are you the guy who was all butthurt because Mikael did the bass parts because Martin Mendez couldn't learn all the parts before the deadline?
If so, lol.
If not, still lol for putting it so far down the list. I think it's officially become my favorite Opeth album. Great, adrenaline-heavy hooks, beautiful atmospheric acoustic parts, amazing riffs, great atmosphere, etc. etc. etc.
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Its in my top 4 Opeth albums! Great one.
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ya, that was me, skyplummetingninja; though the essence of my post was lost on everyone...or, rather, not found by anyone.
my first time seeing Opeth (second time, 'cept for the fact i passed out and missed em a year earlier during Sounds of the Underground) was on the Ghost Reveries tour. pretty great show (that included mikael sdaying my buddy sounded like a pig), but it sure wasn't a Pain of Occupation playlist. no songs off Deliverance, and the only album with multiple selections was Your Horse (unless i'm misremembering and there were also two tracks off Ghost Reveries).
tiojorge, i'm exhausted from the pitchfork chase, but i did love your post. :)
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Obviously music isn't a science, but MAYH is so representative of Opeth's signature sound that putting it at the bottom of the list doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Opinions are based off of what people like, not reasoning. I realize you more than likely know that already but your post seemed to ignore that aspect of subjectivity.
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Obviously music isn't a science, but MAYH is so representative of Opeth's signature sound that putting it at the bottom of the list doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Yeah I agree that it is very representative of Opeth and their sound. Honestly I think it's their most representative album, even more then Blackwater Park or Still Life.
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Opinions are based off of what people like, not reasoning. I realize you more than likely know that already but your post seemed to ignore that aspect of subjectivity.
This, some things don't with click with some like it does others. Watershed is in my top 3, yet it's usually at the bottom or near the bottom of people's list. In the end it's just an opinion, and with music, sometimes it's just best to let someone have their opinion instead of trying to understand their reasoning.
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Exactlys! Let's all just take some X and love each other. You are a sun goddess. With a penis. Mmmmmm...Who?
I agree that MAYH is most the best representative of their overall sound; it's a very beautiful album sprinkled with waves of mellow moments with an overall feel of ASS RAPE WITH A BACKWARDS PINEAPPLE AND THAT PINEAPPLE HAS A GRENADE IN IT BUT WHEN IT EXPLODES IT'S GOING TO EXPLODE AS A DEEP, BELLOWED GROWL OF POWER...and then some. But it's so beautiful when it happens.
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i kinda see Your Horse as a transition between signature sounds; a departure from the first two albums (particularly, a depature from the awesomeness of morningrise), and not quite accomplishing the magic of the following records.
MAYBE i'll give it another chance, though i tried that 'another chance' thing about 3 years ago with negative results.
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i think you made a mistake on the title ;) ;)
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I think it depends on how you do it. If you give it another chance while thinking "this is so bad", then those feelings might cloud your real judgement. The best thing is to try and listen to it without any opinion at all, like listening to a new album.
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petition to make My Farms, Your Horse the album's official title on DTF
i just talked to TioJorge, he's on board.
I think it depends on how you do it. If you give it another chance while thinking "this is so bad", then those feelings might cloud your real judgement. The best thing is to try and listen to it without any opinion at all, like listening to a new album.
i'll try. i don't really remember it at all, so that should make it easier.
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Waaaat!? Your pants are on fire, mister! I like that title, but my personal pick would be My Ass, Your Purse; because the vision of a woman keeping her belongings in Mikael's ass is really hot. "Honey, bend over I need my lipstick and eye shad-BVVVRRRRRT".
;D
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I don't really think MAYH is an example of Opeth's signature sound. In the early years, sure. But if I wanted to show someone an example that sums up their whole career I would say Still Life/Blackwater/Ghost Reveries.
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Seeing my favorite band ever for the first time tomorrow.
Excitement level: over 9,000
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Heritage keeps falling from my Opeth list. I'm back to SL, BP, and GR.
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Seeing my favorite band ever for the first time tomorrow.
Excitement level: over 9,000
Obligatory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik#t=10s)
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Seeing my favorite band ever for the first time tomorrow.
Excitement level: over 9,000
Remember to shout for Black Rose Immortal. :hat
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And scream "where's Otep?!"
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And scream "where's Otep?!"
This.
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
How were Mikael's growls?
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
(https://puu.sh/qy6f)
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
You were at the Palladium, too?
Yes, it was an awesome show. Mastodon was awesome. My wife wasn't really into them prior to this concert, but I think she liked their set as much as Opeth's - and she is a huge Opeth fan.
Really wanted to see Ghost but couldn't get out of work and get the kids situated with the sitter in time.
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
How were Mikael's growls?
I thought they sounded as good as ever. Really deep, epic growls.
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
(https://puu.sh/qy6f)
(https://puu.sh/qy6g)
(https://puu.sh/qy6i)
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:lol
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jesus fucking holy shit tits that show was so fucking amazing
You were at the Palladium, too?
Yes, it was an awesome show. Mastodon was awesome. My wife wasn't really into them prior to this concert, but I think she liked their set as much as Opeth's - and she is a huge Opeth fan.
Really wanted to see Ghost but couldn't get out of work and get the kids situated with the sitter in time.
Yes sir, I was. Maybe you saw me? I dunno. I was standing here the whole night.
(https://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/562727_2710128452463_1834416074_1619533_1341951253_n.jpg)
But hey, while I'm talking to someone else who was there...did you see the Kerry King lookalike walking around? He was short, chubby, bald, had the goatee, little beady eyes, angry expression. Looked just like him. All he was missing was the arm tattoos.
...That wasn't you, was it? :lol
But yeah, it's a shame you had to miss Ghost. They were really good. And I agree with you, Mikael's growls were top notch.
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No, wasn't me, but I do think I saw him walking around. :lol
We were standing about halfway between you and the stage.
I guess you're in the Dallas area? We just moved to McKinney in October.
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Nope, I live in Louisiana. Drove 4 1/2 hours. Totally worth it. :metal
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damn, sounds like you had a great time. I heard members of Opeth and Mastodon were in Texas on Record Store Day and had a blast in Corpus Chriti, the rrecord store. Wish I could have been there.
Although it must suck to try shoppoing as them, they keep gettting interrupted.
Check it ou (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gtKdbkRiXuU)
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Opeth playing soccer. Nice shot by Mendez at 2:12 ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUo2O0_n-uo
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Haha nice ;D
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That's absolutely awesome.
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The show in Minnesota has been moved to The Myth in Maplewood (Maplehood), Minnesota. Now Opeth will have switched from once playing across the Target Center to playing across the street from a Good Feet Store and Best Buy.
I am excited though that they switched venues. The Brick just opened up to horrible reviews. The first show (Jane's Addiction) a lot of the attendees watched the show from the basement on a TV. The Myth is way better.
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I've been listening to Heritage a lot lately. I'm starting to think really fondly of it. It's got so much character.
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I definitely like Heritage a lot more now than when it was released.
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I still adore Heritage. There's almost nothing I would change about it.
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Its a great album!
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I definitely like Heritage a lot more now than when it was released.
This. It's a great album.
That said, it feels like the quality of their live shows has decreased a lot since its release...
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It really has. I understand they're doing what they want but the crowd is noticeably deflated for pretty much all of their set.
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I definitely like Heritage a lot more now than when it was released.
This. It's a great album.
That said, it feels like the quality of their live shows has decreased a lot since its release...
It's funny you say that, because when I saw them on the first leg of the Heritage US tour I was very happy with what I saw. But last week, aside from The Lines in My Hand and Folklore, I wasn't all that into the show. In fact, I was just waiting for them to play the last two songs. And it was easily their least exciting performance from the four times I've seen them.
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Akerfeld posted a pic on FB yesterday of a big gash in his scalp where he cracked his head open on a tourbus, trying to get something from a fridge or something...looked pretty gorey.... ;D
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Akerfeld posted a pic on FB yesterday of a big gash in his scalp where he cracked his head open on a tourbus, trying to get something from a fridge or something...looked pretty gorey.... ;D
According to his post he was going to get a pair of red boxers. :lol
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God, even worse! :loser:
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Now that's metal :lol
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Why did I just realize now that the name My Arms, Your Hearse is lifted from a Comus lyric? I'm listening to Comus now yet just realized it.
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Nice find, that's pretty cool. I always find it interesting whenever a band has named a song (or even the band name in the case of BTBAM) after another band's lyric. :tup Especially if it's a far cry away from the music that said band plays. I haven't even heard of Comus but I'm about to go Google this bitch up like I'm Googling a bitch.
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Why did I just realize now that the name My Arms, Your Hearse is lifted from a Comus lyric? I'm listening to Comus now yet just realized it.
I'm pretty sure the title for The Baying of the Hounds is from another Comus lyric.
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It really has. I understand they're doing what they want but the crowd is noticeably deflated for pretty much all of their set.
It's funny. When it comes to artists' writing, I am a staunch supporter of them doing whatever the hell they want to do. Opeth wanna write a disco record? Cool. Do it.
But when it comes to live sets, I'm pretty much the opposite. I think artists need to really keep their fans in mind when constructing a set, and Opeth have not done that this tour.
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It really has. I understand they're doing what they want but the crowd is noticeably deflated for pretty much all of their set.
It's funny. When it comes to artists' writing, I am a staunch supporter of them doing whatever the hell they want to do. Opeth wanna write a disco record? Cool. Do it.
But when it comes to live sets, I'm pretty much the opposite. I think artists need to really keep their fans in mind when constructing a set, and Opeth have not done that this tour.
This. Albums are about the band and what they want to do. Live shows are for the fans.
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I definitely like Heritage a lot more now than when it was released.
This. It's a great album.
That said, it feels like the quality of their live shows has decreased a lot since its release...
It's funny you say that, because when I saw them on the first leg of the Heritage US tour I was very happy with what I saw. But last week, aside from The Lines in My Hand and Folklore, I wasn't all that into the show. In fact, I was just waiting for them to play the last two songs. And it was easily their least exciting performance from the four times I've seen them.
I kinda have to agree with this. I mean, I loved hearing Windowpane and I Feel the Dark (again), and Lines in my Hand was awesome, I was just kind of along for the ride until the last two songs. I was a lot happier with the last time I saw them (though any show with A Fair Judgment & Face of Melinda is going to be better).
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I don't know. While I think the bands should have the fans in mind, I don't think they should make setlists 100% based on that. If that would be the case, Opeth would be playing the same 10-15 "popular" songs all the time, Drapery Falls, Demon of the Fall, Bleak, Deliverance and so on.
I think the band should enjoy what they do themselves as well, I'd rather see the band enjoying themselves on stage then being forced to play a song they've played loads, because the fans will bitch about it otherwise.
So while I think the bands should play what they want, they could still consider a few songs that they know will get good feedback.
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I agree, I think most of the set should be what they want but they should throw in a couple of fan favourites maybe in the encore or something.
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I think a band certainly shouldn't be forced into playing stuff that doesn't interest them but the fact of the matter is that in most concert settings the majority of the crowd has probably purchased at least one of their albums and a decent chunk own several of them and have also bought merch at prior shows as well and have contributed quite handsomely to the band's wellbeing and ability to get tour support from their label. By virtue of all that, it's quite reasonable for a fan to expect that at least half the setlist will be tried and true stuff that will be immediately accesible to them.
The one time I saw Mastodon was in '09 on the Crack the Skye tour. I'd been a fan since '04 and was not yet familiar with CtS because I was broke at the time and trying to avoid ruining the experience by downloading it rather than purchasing it. They played the entirety of CtS to start the show which was awesome for some but it totally ruined the show for me. Before they even played one song I knew I was already covered in sweat in a crowded House of Blues venue that was nearing 90 degrees from all the bodies sardined into it. By that point it was just a mix-n-match of random songs that I only liked half of since they surely didn't skimp on Blood Mountain tracks which was unfortunately my least favorite of all their efforts.
It was just a big letdown to have a show which I'd looked forward to for years and missed out on at least two prior occaisons end up like that.
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I would have loved to have been in your place Floyd. I had to miss the CTS show on 3 separate occasions. :'(
For setlists, I think it should be a mix of stuff the band wants to play and songs that most people will want to hear, as well as a few tracks that don't get to see the light of day too much. Even better if they find stuff that they like to play AND the fans love. Burden, for example, got big cheers. Oddly, the two heavy songs didn't get much of a metal reaction from the crowd, maybe because they were burnt out on all the soft stuff.
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I find it better to just go to a show and enjoy the night. I could give a rats ass what the band plays as many,times my favorites never get played, so i'm used to it and just enjoy what the band decided.to play. I also believe that now everyone knows the setlist by the first night, it has hindered concert sales and potential Meech sales because the band aren't playing said favorite song. Hell, i'm happy they actually came to play, that's all that should matter.
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Yeah excatly, you should realise its a privelage and not a right. Good point Ben. Although, one or two fan favourites near the end are nice as a 'thank you' to the fans who have been supporting their lives.
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Oddly, the two heavy songs didn't get much of a metal reaction from the crowd, maybe because they were burnt out on all the soft stuff.
Same thing happened in Dallas. Like you said, I would assume it's because everyone was tired at that point after almost 3 full sets of music.
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I think a more logical setlist for this tour would be:
1. Ghost of Perdition
2. The Devil's Orchard
3. Slither
4. Deliverance
5. Burden
6. The Lines in My Hand
7. Folklore
8. The Drapery Falls
9. Demon of the Fall
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I think a more logical setlist for this tour would be:
1. Ghost of Perdition
I'm sold.
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Yeah excatly, you should realise its a privelage and not a right. Good point Ben. Although, one or two fan favourites near the end are nice as a 'thank you' to the fans who have been supporting their lives.
I think "privilege" is a stretch. The fans are providing all of the funding for the show in theory since, as far as I can tell, all other contributing parties like the record label and corporate sponsors are usually making money off the show in some way. This makes the money they spend an investment rather than an expense whereas the people attending the show are actually parting with their hard-earned cash with no chance at recouping any of that money.
To imply that folks should just take the show as it comes with no expectation of getting what they specifically want out of the deal is kinda silly considering that without their funding the shows would never have happened in the first place.
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More or less, everyone is right in what they've said if everything is taken into account. There needs to be a balance. We, the fans, are the entire reason for their existence (hold firm for a second) outside of the creative process of writing and creating the songs and long past after the album is made. Case in point: If bands want to survive and make a living off of what they're doing, then they certainly need to cater to the fans in some shape or form. Whether that be by doing shows, by making more albums (another facet that needs support from someone else outside of the music industry) or selling merchandise; the fans run the show in the end. Hence all the love and support that most bands give out after shows. Again, it's a balance though. The bands need to have their own input in what they do and they need to fulfill that desire to create and play the music that makes them happy. But that process will come to a screeching halt if the band just does only what they want with no regard to fans and give them the big middle finger.
It's like those solo artists that I've seen so many times playing a gig (around my area) and the last thing they say is "I make music for myself, I couldn't care less about what people think of it". It sounds crazy, but I've heard it so many times and it gets the same "Well, suck my dick then, I'm getting my money back" reaction; and some of them do, and the artists are never heard of again because they destroy what little fanbase they have by throwing them over the bridge in the name of creativity. It's a fact of the business that fans need the band to exist and bands need the fans to exist. There is an order to it all and if one facet attempts to overrule the other, things are going to go south.
So yes, the fans, at times, need to shut their spoiled fucking pie holes and let the band do what makes them happy. At other times, the band needs to get their head out of the clouds and realize that they are essentially there only for the fans (speaking of gigs) and to please their loyal customers and supporters. It is a give and take for both parties. That said, there are times when each party needs to give a little more than they take; it just so happens we are in a period of time where Mikael and the band are being a bit more selfish than usual (though they seem to now be playing fan favorites again) and are playing what makes them (or Mikael) happy. That's okay, because hopefully they'll come back and realize that and they will cater to the fans a bit more in future concerts.
But this is all a moot point for me because I love Heritage and I think it works magnificently in a concert setting despite not actually being to one (though I've watched a few bootlegs). I'm more wanting another album with growls (a mixture would be so amazing, I think) than them playing concerts of older songs considering I wouldn't label myself as a big concert person.
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The thing with Most Opeth fans is they are metal-heads, and some don't like not having growls. Heritage has to be the most evilest sounding album by them so far, thats the beauty with Heritage. Also, its the reason why I love it, its beautifully evil. Plus, I think its their most musical album to date, they're doing so many different things that work great with their tone. It's sad that Opeth fans don't see that in the music, and just complain about their being no growls.
I also believe their live shows haven't suffered, hell we get more songs this time.
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Why did I just realize now that the name My Arms, Your Hearse is lifted from a Comus lyric? I'm listening to Comus now yet just realized it.
I'm pretty sure the title for The Baying of the Hounds is from another Comus lyric.
Yeah. That one I heard before. It's from the song Diana. I love Comus myself, it's cool Mikael is a fan.
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I definitely like Heritage a lot more now than when it was released.
This. It's a great album.
That said, it feels like the quality of their live shows has decreased a lot since its release...
It's funny you say that, because when I saw them on the first leg of the Heritage US tour I was very happy with what I saw. But last week, aside from The Lines in My Hand and Folklore, I wasn't all that into the show. In fact, I was just waiting for them to play the last two songs. And it was easily their least exciting performance from the four times I've seen them.
I kinda have to agree with this. I mean, I loved hearing Windowpane and I Feel the Dark (again), and Lines in my Hand was awesome, I was just kind of along for the ride until the last two songs. I was a lot happier with the last time I saw them (though any show with A Fair Judgment & Face of Melinda is going to be better).
Not to mention, it'll never be the same unless they perform a set better than the ones they had on the Watershed tour. That show was a highlight of my life in terms of concert-attendance. Holy shit.
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It's funny to see this kind of discussion about setlists at DTF - I mean, if DT don't play Pull Me Under, Spirit Carries On and The Glass Prison on every tour, why should Opeth stick to playing "safe" songs just because they owe that to the ticket buyers? :lol I'm not saying they should pick the most obscure songs and ignore the likes of Demon of the Fall, Drapery Falls and Deliverance completely, but there are probably many long-time fans who are tired of those songs and would prefer to hear something different and it's not very rewarding for the band to play the same songs over again, either.
I think a good mix would be having 4-5 new songs, some crowd pleasers (for example: Deliverance, Ghost of Perdition and Lotus Eater) and some very rarely played stuff (say, The Twilight is My Robe, Karma and Benighted) - the less-dedicated (for the lack of a better word, not meant to sound condescending) fans get the songs they most likely recognise and the diehard fans get some stuff they haven't heard live often or at all.
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Allow me to expand on my earlier comment. I didn't intend to to imply that they should play songs from their alltime top 5 (by assumed fan consensus) at every show but rather that it'd be a lot more pleasing if about half the set came from their "popular" era which is pretty commonly referred to as My Arms Your Hearse through Ghost Reveries. The remaining 5-7 songs could be any mix of the remaining albums. I doubt many would bitch about only getting one song from Orchid/Morningrise combined since they're far lower on the popularity totem pole (although I fucking adore them moreso than at least 90% of the fanbase.) The remaining 5 or so songs can all be from Watershed/Heritage.
Does anyone think that formula would piss off any significant chunk of their fanbase?
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With the Heritage-tour they decided to make it a lot about the newer songs, but they still played like 40-45% old material as well. Sure it might be controversial to not play growl-songs, but they played some other amazing ones. Face of Melinda, A Fair Judgement for example.
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Ah, ok I understand. But I was mainly referring to this:
1. Ghost of Perdition
2. The Devil's Orchard
3. Slither
4. Deliverance
5. Burden
6. The Lines in My Hand
7. Folklore
8. The Drapery Falls
9. Demon of the Fall
That setlist is basically Heritage stuff plus the most popular songs (except for Burden, but that song has a video so it's not that obscure). And about your comment on the Orchid/Morningrise stuff, Mikael himself said here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFIXzOZE7bo) that out of the older tunes he enjoys playing Orchid songs the most so I wouldn't rule out having early stuff in the set. But then again, maybe he's just least bored with that album since they play those songs pretty rarely! :lol
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Possible setlist they could play that would both make themselves and the fans happy:
1. The Devil's Orchard
2. I Feel the Dark
3. Ghost of Perdition
4. April Ethereal
5. Famine
6. Serenity Painted Death
7. Master's Apprentices
8. Folklore
9. In Mist She Was Standing
10. Blackwater Park
---Encore---
11. Black Rose Immortal
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Awesome set! I would start with GoP though.
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Well, I only put those in the beginning since it's the Heritage-tour after all. :P
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Well, I only put those in the beginning since it's the Heritage-tour after all. :P
Yeah true. Famine is an interesting choice aswell. I think that would be awesome live.
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Yeah Famine is one of my favorites from the album. Logically I think that the setlist would have to take out one more old song for a Heritage-one (since there's only 4 on it) but all in all it has stuff from most of their albums. They would probably want something Watershed-ish as well.
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I find it better to just go to a show and enjoy the night. I could give a rats ass what the band plays as many,times my favorites never get played, so i'm used to it and just enjoy what the band decided.to play. I also believe that now everyone knows the setlist by the first night, it has hindered concert sales and potential Meech sales because the band aren't playing said favorite song. Hell, i'm happy they actually came to play, that's all that should matter.
So much this, well said!
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Possible setlist they could play that would both make themselves and the fans happy:
1. The Devil's Orchard
2. I Feel the Dark
3. Ghost of Perdition
4. April Ethereal
5. Famine
6. Serenity Painted Death
7. Master's Apprentices
8. Folklore
9. In Mist She Was Standing
10. Blackwater Park
---Encore---
11. Black Rose Immortal
That setlist would be awesome! :metal
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Opeth to tour with Katatonia again :metal
https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=173982&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=173982&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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I really hope they can stop in,new mexico. Opeth and Katatonia, a lot of us would be up for that lineup. Also, fuck yeah.
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I hope they do the make-up date for Minnesota after Mikael's accident
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As long as he keeps his undies in his own tourbus, it'll be alright....
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Rumor going around that Opeth and Katatonia are going back on tour together in Fall 2012, with an opener unnamed yet.
Since I missed that show last year, and what happened to Mikael in Maplewood, MN last Monday. I would love this to be real. Esecpially since it is 100% guaranteed they are coming back here to Minnesota.
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Surprised to see them touring with Katatonia again so soon. Though if they do decide to come anywhere near me, I think I'll hold off on ticket-buying till I see a setlist. I don't want to pay money again to see the same Heritage stuff again. If there's a good mix of Heritage and death metal I'll go, but this is a rare time that I'll be checking the setlist before I buy my ticket.
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The ultimate troll would be to play Morningrise in its entirety. I, however, would gleefully squeal like a skool goil.
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Damnation is my fav Opeth album by far.
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The ultimate troll would be to play Morningrise in its entirety. I, however, would gleefully squeal like a skool goil.
I would as well, since then I'd be able to hear my favorite Opeth song, NECTAR!!!!!
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Some stage banter from Mikael:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nZdrewxDUFY#!
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The ultimate troll would be to play Morningrise in its entirety. I, however, would gleefully squeal like a skool goil.
I would as well, since then I'd be able to hear my favorite Opeth song, NECTAR!!!!!
Nectar fans unite!!! And fuck DTF for always voting it out first in the Morningrise survivors.
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Not sure why I was thinking about this, but I was: If Fredrick leaves Opeth at any point, they should make sure his replacement can growl. Doesn't sound like Mikael will be able to do it much longer.
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I can only speak for myself, but if Mikael doesn't want to, or can't growl Opeth songs more, then I'd rather see them do non-growl material then get someone else to growl them.
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Is this fans inferring things again or has his recent growling been subpar?
I know this discussion came up back before Heritage but I thought his 'problems' growling were debunked.
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I can't in good faith support either side of that speculation but I definitely hear his natural voice coming through his growls a lot more than in years past which could indicate straining if it's anything like burping. Have you ever heard someone trying to burp as long as they can or as loudly as they can and noticed how their voice starts to come through as the burping sound tapers off?
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The ultimate troll would be to play Morningrise in its entirety. I, however, would gleefully squeal like a skool goil.
No lie, I would be perfectly ok with this.
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The ultimate troll would be to play Morningrise in its entirety. I, however, would gleefully squeal like a skool goil.
No lie, I would be perfectly ok with this.
Yeah same I would love it!
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^ count me in.
i dont religiously follow opeth setlists, but to the best of my knowledge, they dont play a hell of a lot of morningrise. would be fun.
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Just comparing his growls on Lamentations to the growls on Roundhouse Tapes and RAH, they've definitely weakened over time.
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Roundhouse Tapes is probably my favorite live album by them, but at first I thought they sounded a bit weird on RAH.
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Just comparing his growls on Lamentations to the growls on Roundhouse Tapes and RAH, they've definitely weakened over time.
I've noticed the same thing. It's a shame but I guess it's only natural after so many years of doing it.
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As much as it may bum me out to think of a future without Mike being able to do convincing growls, all I have to do to feel better is look at how Jonathan Davis couldn't even do his far-less-impressive-than-Mike's screams/shouts/whatever Korn has by the time Korn was touring for Follow the Leader and that was only five years after their first album was released.
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While I wouldn't mind Opeth continuing releasing new albums without growls (though I would miss them), it would still be a bit sad because 95% of the older catalogue would be ruled out for live shows. (if Mikael stopped growling completely that is)
As much as I love their songs without growls, they still have many songs they've never (or rarely) played live that they should play again, and it would be sad if they couldn't. :/
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If Mike reaches a point where he realizes it's imminent that the growls are fading altogether, it'd be a nice gesture to have a tour where he tries to play every growl song that has no existing decent video of it on youtube. I still haven't found a live clip of The Twilight is My Robe and that's been my absolute favorite Orchid track for a good five years now.
I don't mean loading the setlist with obscure tracks either but rather that they let these songs account for 3 or 4 tracks each night and rotate through the songs that are difficult/impossible to find video of.
Other tracks I can think of that fit this criteria:
The Apostle in Triumph
Nectar
Black Rose Immortal
By the Pain I see in Others
Beneath the Mire
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So, where can I find this new album streaming thing?
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I wouldn't bother. I heard it's just Anders' piano outtakes.
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It would be great to see MA do a solo album with just him and an acoustic guitar.
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It would be great to see MA do a solo album with just him and an acoustic guitar.
Isn't he planning to do that some day? https://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=127027
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He said he was planning on doing it, and even wrote a song, but apparently it was "shit", so he scrapped the idea. :lol That's the last thing I heard at least.
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Okay, so I have an announcement to make. I haven't delved into ALL of the discography, but I think it's safe to say that I'm at the OMG OPETH!!!1 stage. :caffeine:
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heh, welcome aboard!
What album(s) got you started?
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It was a mix, to be honest, but the albums that really got me started were Ghost Reveries and Blackwater Park - with Watershed waiting in the wings. :D
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I've been mad obsessing over this band for the past 4 days.
And by that I mean I think they're the only band I've listened to in that time.
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He said he was planning on doing it, and even wrote a song, but apparently it was "shit", so he scrapped the idea. :lol That's the last thing I heard at least.
Yep, that sounds like Mikael :lol
It was a mix, to be honest, but the albums that really got me started were Ghost Reveries
Congratulations, you did it right.
I've been mad obsessing over this band for the past 4 days.
And by that I mean I think they're the only band I've listened to in that time.
You are also doing it right.
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I've been mad obsessing over this band for the past 4 days.
And by that I mean I think they're the only band I've listened to in that time.
Yep, I know that feel. :tup
It was a mix, to be honest, but the albums that really got me started were Ghost Reveries
Congratulations, you did it right.
Um... thanks? :lol
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No, thank you.
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I do love Ghost Reveries. However, so does my mother and so she's nicked my copy of it.
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Your mother is an awesome person.
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The more I listen to Ghost Reveries, I'm more certain that it's my favourite Opeth album. Isolation Years is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
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The more I listen to Ghost Reveries, I'm more certain that it's my favourite Opeth album. Isolation Years is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
Isolation Years doesn't get nearly as much credit as it deserves! :heart
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The more I listen to Ghost Reveries, I'm more certain that it's my favourite Opeth album. Isolation Years is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
Isolation Years doesn't get nearly as much credit as it deserves! :heart
They should've busted it out on this tour
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Yeah I agree. Feels kinda like the perfect opportunity to play it, if they play no heavy songs at all.
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Hours of Wealth's second half entirely beats Isolation Years.
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Hours of Wealth and Isolation Years are equally perfect. As is Ghost Reveries as a whole.
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Isolation Years is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
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I love all of you.
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Hours of Wealth and Isolation Years are equally perfect. As is Ghost Reveries as a whole.
So this.
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Yeah Isolation Years is amazing. Though first half of hours of wealth>second half.
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Yeah Isolation Years is amazing. Though first half of hours of wealth>second half.
I disagree......those vocal harmonies and dat solo :hefdaddy
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dat solo
Oh yeah. But the first half is terrific, too.
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I'm fucking thrilled to see the first love I can ever recall seeing for Hous of Wealth on DTF. I adore the entire song up until the vocals come in and the rest of it about 95% as much. It's the only song in the entire combined discographies of DT and Opeth that I know all the lyrics to despite those bands being the only ones to have occupied the title of being my favorite band ever since 2000.
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i actually just remembered how awesome "Hours of Wealth" is yesterday, how timely! :rollin it's definitely one of my top favourites on GR, but i'll take "Isolation Years" over it every time.
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I love Hours of Wealth as well, great song! :)
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No, thank you.
D'aww... :blush
I keep wanting to spin Ghost Reveries, but my MP3 player revolts and plays Watershed instead. ;)
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"As many of you have already noticed, the shows in London, Frankfurt and Bochum will be 'Unplugged' shows."
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Won't be much of a departure from their recent tours.
*ba-dum tish*
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If they don't bring out Isolation Years for these Unplugged shows, then they shall burn in hell.
Nah but seriously, even though I won't see any of these shows, it's the perfect time to bring it out. :lol
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WANT. :sadpanda:
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Anathema are going to open up on that show and some others. They should bring that tour to the US!!!!
https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=81387 (https://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=81387)
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I would really love to see that here.
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Oh man, GIMMEGIMMEGIMMEGIMME.
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I hope they film one of the unplugged concerts! Especially since I have no hope that a tour like that would ever happen over here in the states. :'(
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I.Must.Go.
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I hope they film one of the unplugged concerts! Especially since I have no hope that a tour like that would ever happen over here in the states. :'(
Exactly this. :'(
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I'm trying to get into this band. I have listened to Blackwater and it's good. I have never listened to death metal before so it's still a bit new to me :). Where do I go from here?
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Ghost Reveries or Watershed would be a logical step. So would Deliverance or Still Life. You're where I was about... 4 weeks ago, great place to be. You're about to discover some of the best music you've never heard in your life. Enjoy the ride! :tup
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guys , you gonna hate me for this....
i really like the acoustic parts of opeth. even love them at times.
but i fail to get into their riffs :< i just...dont really like them.
maybe it will grow on me with time, but thats how i feel at the moment. :sad:
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I don't hate you. That's your taste at present, and no one can fault you for that. :)
Edit: I just happen to NOT have that taste, and THAT is all good too. It's all relative.
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I don't get why someone would hate another person over an opinion, that seems really childish to me. :lol
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Never understood that logic either.
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I don't get why someone would hate another person over an opinion, that seems really childish to me. :lol
But what if their opinion is wrong?
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Well, I don't think it's logical to dislike someone over their opinions, but if they present their opinion as if it were facts, that is another deal.
There are people who can be very humble about things they don't like, and there are also people who act in a sort of "my opinion is facts"-way. For example, I would never be mad at a person who told me: "I haven't quite gotten into Opeth. Listened to BWP once, nothing really clicked. Might give it more spins, things could change", but if a person would tell me: "Opeth is the shittiest of the shittiest, they suck on all levels and I have no idea how people could like them", then that is another issue, and I would probably get a bit mad. :lol
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And... crazyaga didn't outright say they sucked either - he just can't get into the heavier stuff/riffs.
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And... crazyaga didn't outright say they sucked either - he just can't get into the heavier stuff/riffs.
Yeah exactly. He gave a perfectly good explanation, and that is cool.
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I don't get why someone would hate another person over an opinion, that seems really childish to me. :lol
But what if their opinion is wrong?
Then for the love of God you better tell them and let them know they're a terrible person because of it.
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Because this is the internet. That's how we roll 'round these parts.
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*cocks shotgun*
Summin roun' eer say dey think diffren dan me?
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if u don' like Opeth why don' u GIT OUT
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I've been trying to find a good Opeth forum on google since opethforum.com is basically dead since it's been showing up as a 403 error for several weeks now. Anyone know of one? The ones I find on google are usually links for dead ones like the aforementioned or the archived one (dead still) at ultimate guitar.
I know we have this thread but after Heritage had been out for a few months, this thing has basically become a ghost town where we just get these main topics sparsely discussed:
- Heritage: good or bad?
- Orchid/Morningrise piss match
- I like Otep, wai dey gotta scream?
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Bump (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NdaUvLEvhE)
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THE SUN SETS FOREVER OVER BLACKWATER PARK
That is all.
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UNGODLY FREAK
DEFILER
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THE SUN SETS FOREVER OVER BLACKWATER PARK
That is all.
That's really all you need to say. :metal
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So I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds last night, and they suddenly played a small piece of Death Whispered A Lullaby.
I didn't expect Opeth to be played on TV like that, very cool.
Anyway, back to your regular programming.
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Oooo! :caffeine:
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So I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds last night, and they suddenly played a small piece of Death Whispered A Lullaby.
I didn't expect Opeth to be played on TV like that, very cool.
Anyway, back to your regular programming.
Gotta look up which episode it was, did you watch it on Kanal 5 or? :P
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So I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds last night, and they suddenly played a small piece of Death Whispered A Lullaby.
I didn't expect Opeth to be played on TV like that, very cool.
Anyway, back to your regular programming.
Gotta look up which episode it was, did you watch it on Kanal 5 or? :P
Yep, Kanal 5 last night. Season 5, episode 23 according to tv.nu.
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I just saw the clip and it was really cool. :D
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*move along, nothing to see here* :)
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Never mind, found it. Very cool, too. :metal
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Bump da bump
Vote for Opeth why don't ya?
https://loudwire.com/extreme-metal-olympics-group-4-opening-round/ (https://loudwire.com/extreme-metal-olympics-group-4-opening-round/)
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Already did. :2metal:
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Same. But if they go up against Dir En Grey in the next round I might have to vote for them instead.
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Bought tickets for Stockholm 2016-11-05 at Annexet today.
Michael talked in interviews last year about writing and recording new music this year. Has anyone heard anything about them recording?
Will the upcoming tour be in support of a new album or not?
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Wait, you actually bumped an older thread that said "new album now streaming"? So I got excited for nothing? :facepalm:
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Opeth welcomes aboard new bassist, Martin Mendez!
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Wait, you actually bumped an older thread that said "new album now streaming"? So I got excited for nothing? :facepalm:
Sorry but this is the official Opeth thread found by the A-Z of band threads thread...
So I take it that you have not heard anything about recording new material?
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41961.msg2170540
This is the latest Opeth thread
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https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41961.msg2170540
This is the latest Opeth thread
Exactly, this thread is now only used for sending Opeth fans on an emotional rollercoaster from super excited to super disappointed in under a minute :lol
(someone may want to update the title of the thread)