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Title: The King's X Thread
Post by: jsem on February 17, 2011, 07:44:56 AM
I couldn't find one... and I think there ought to be a thread about this band. I'm listening to Faith Hope Love again it's awesome.

 :metal

Appriciate!!!!
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on February 17, 2011, 08:04:02 AM
FHL is fantastic.  As much as I like King's X, I only own Dogman and FHL.  Dogman is absolutely crushing, though.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on February 17, 2011, 08:09:26 AM
Get the new DVD/CD, "Live In London".  It's worth it.  Been a big fan since the first CD came out in 1989.  Seen them 6 times with some great bands too.  DT, Porcupine Tree, Dishwalla.....
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2011, 08:11:04 AM
I think I'll listen to that this very moment.  Thanks for the reminder!  :tup
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Beowulf on February 17, 2011, 08:17:54 AM
I still love "It's Love".  Very Beatles-esque feel to it.  Great tune.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Durg on February 17, 2011, 08:34:57 AM
Last year I got really into Gretchen Goes to Nebraska.  Particularly, Out of a Silent Planet.

Still, Dogman, Black Flag, and It's Love are a few of my favs.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on February 17, 2011, 09:48:58 AM
LOVE King's X. Hardcore fan right here.

All the material through Ear Candy is awesome. After that, it is hit and miss, to my ears. But a KILLER live act with a huge sound.

The new live release is good, but just FYI, the opening song, "Groove Machine" is supposed to have supporting vocals from Ty Tabor and Jerry Gaskill. It loses something without it. I am going to guess the mics were accidentally turned off for that tune, because it is corrected after it.

But otherwise, Live Love in London is pretty darn good. It is really a shame they didn't have the opportunity to do this back in the mid-late 1990s, when they were at their peak.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
The new live release is good, but just FYI, the opening song, "Groove Machine" is supposed to have supporting vocals from Ty Tabor and Jerry Gaskill. It loses something without it. I am going to guess the mics were accidentally turned off for that tune, because it is corrected after it.

Are you sure about that?  I remember you saying that, and then I looked for it when I watched the DVD, and they aren't even trying to sing.  So it doesn't look to me like a mic malfunction.  (unless they were trying to sing in the VERY beginning and realized there was a mic issue and just stopped trying)  I need to listen to Live All Over The Place later, as I'm not recalling backup vocals on that version either (or even on the bootleg I have from the last tour, for that matter).

EDIT:  Yeah, to further expound, here's a video from the same tour:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZJzrMM_6tU  No backup vocals--no attempt to even do them.  That's consistent with my recollection from when I saw them in SF (and listening to the bootleg from that show).  I don't think they do that song with the backups like they did on the studio anymore, at least not on the XV tour.  Contrast that with an older video from 1999 where they did:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnwzjRA6vJg  (careful with the volume level--this one is a lot louder than the first one I linked, so if you cranked it for that one, turn it back down for this one)  You're right about the backups being missing on the Live in London, but I think you are mistaken about it being a technical difficulty.  For whatever reason, they were performing it with just Doug doing the vocals on that song this last tour. 

In any case, still a great song, and LiL is a great CD/DVD set.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on February 17, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
Weird. Must be a conscious choice then (no, I wasn't sure). Not sure why they are doing that though. The song does NOT sound as powerful and cool without the other vocals in the mix. Bad move on their part and really takes away from an otherwise cool live set.

Another annoyance is when they let the entire crowd sing all of...I think it is Goldilox. I am sure it was cool if you were there, but it is lame as hell watching on video. I didn't buy it for fans singing. I bought it to hear Doug, Ty and Jerry sing. lol
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 17, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
Not sure why they are doing that though. The song does NOT sound as powerful and cool without the other vocals in the mix.

Dunno.  But like I said, I'm pretty sure it's the same way on Live All Over The Place as well, and I went through a phase where I listened to that album a LOT, so I was already used to that sound and it didn't really bother me here.  (in fact, I had to go back and listen to the studio version to remember what it sounded like with the harmonies)

Another annoyance is when they let the entire crowd sing all of...I think it is Goldilox. I am sure it was cool if you were there, but it is lame as hell watching on video. I didn't buy it for fans singing. I bought it to hear Doug, Ty and Jerry sing. lol

Yeah, it was kind of a cool feel-good moment the first time I watched it, but I can't imagine it holding my interest over the long-haul.  But if they were going to do that, I'm glad they picked a song I'm not really all that fond of anyway, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on much.  :lol
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on February 17, 2011, 11:56:21 AM
King's X rule.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 17, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
well, there is 1
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=13040.0

I know since I recall posting what I post on most forums about King's X and Manic Moonlight specifically. That album is the best thing they've done since parting ways with Sam Taylor.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: pogoowner on February 17, 2011, 01:03:11 PM
One of my favorite bands. Their first 5 albums are all superb. The new DVD is awesome as well. I really can't wait to hear some news on their next album, because it's been quite some time since they've said anything.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Birch Boy on February 17, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
Good band.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: webpoet73 on February 18, 2011, 05:32:58 AM
I totally love King's X... I think that Ear Candy is my favorite disc.  There are so many good ones to choose from :)
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on February 19, 2011, 11:56:30 AM
One of my favorite bands. Their first 5 albums are all superb. The new DVD is awesome as well. I really can't wait to hear some news on their next album, because it's been quite some time since they've said anything.

Funny, I can't stand that record. I think it is terrible. lol.

I totally love King's X... I think that Ear Candy is my favorite disc.  There are so many good ones to choose from :)

Yep, arguably my favorite KX disc too. But the entire catalog up through that record is amazing. After it, things started to drop off to my ears.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Mebert78 on October 16, 2017, 10:30:27 AM
I saw King's X for the first time this weekend and was totally blown away!  I looked for a thread on them, but I only found this one from like 6-7 years ago.  I don't understand why this band never got more popular.  They were, and are, amazing!  I only own their greatest hits album, but I'm starting to explore their back catalog now.  Shame on me for not exploring them sooner!

Another annoyance is when they let the entire crowd sing all of...I think it is Goldilox. I am sure it was cool if you were there, but it is lame as hell watching on video. I didn't buy it for fans singing. I bought it to hear Doug, Ty and Jerry sing. lol

They did this at the show!  And it was one of the highlights for me, lol.  But I can see how it wouldn't translate well on video.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 16, 2017, 11:13:24 AM
they played to 250K at Woodstock in 1994 and however more on MTV and it didn't make much of a difference.

It's kind of a broken record, but some of the best conclusions is their music was/is too diverse for it's own good (or bad).

It's a shame, but I guess I'm happy they never really compromised, sans for I suppose working with Sam Taylor, although many fans like myself feel the Sam Taylor produced albums are clearly their best. But I also love a number of others (Manic Moonlight namely).
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: DougMasters on October 16, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
I Absolutely love Kings X. One of my favorites, under celebrated if you ask me.

FHL Has to be my favorite from them, maybe one of my favorite albums ever.

Pinnick's voice is so rare in rock music and so good.

I gotta say I like the earlier tone on the records. I Know they switched gears amid feelings that the albums didn't match the heaviness of their live sound, and usually I'd be all on top of that myself but the recordings right up before Ear Candy were just so unique.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Imaginos on October 16, 2017, 01:20:50 PM
I love king's x as well. As classic as the first 4 albums are though, I actually like what came after more. Tapehead is one of my favorite albums ever, for a multitude of reasons, and when I saw them live last year, I got to meet them after the show and got my copy of Tapehead signed. They're incredible guys that make incredible music.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on October 16, 2017, 03:44:14 PM
+1 on all that's been said about King's X in this thread. Great live band, great bunch of guys. Ty is one of my top 5 all time musicians. Love (and buy) everything he puts out.

Last Jelly Jam album blew my mind. Wasn't expecting it to be that heavy. Last time I saw them he mentioned that his solo album will be most likely a 2cd release. He said "I just keep adding stuff" when I asked him when was it going to be released (it was going to be released the year before, since that was the last time I talked to him as well LOL).
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on October 16, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
I was lucky enough to see them nine times in concert. First being in 1989
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 16, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
I love king's x as well.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_10924_1457988267.jpeg)

Ya' don't say.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on October 16, 2017, 04:02:23 PM
I was lucky enough to see them nine times in concert. First being in 1989

My count is at 4 or 5 right now.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: pogoowner on October 16, 2017, 08:15:06 PM
I've seen them three times, the most recent of which being in Columbus this year, where I was lucky enough to be leaning against the stage front and center. Had some great interactions with Doug during the show (he posed for my pictures as he was playing), and then he came and sat on the stage next to me after the show and took a picture with me.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: jammindude on October 16, 2017, 10:39:51 PM
King's X is just one of those bands that I went through a phase of absolutely adoring everything they put out.   I discovered them just before they released Ear Candy, and was a rabid fan up until Manic Moonlight.   In retrospect, MM was not really a bad album, but my focus and interests just moved elsewhere and I just lost track of them.

I admit I'm extremely ashamed of myself for having never heard BLS, XV or Ogre Tones.  I've heard that they were really strong albums, I just never got around to it. 
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 17, 2017, 01:37:01 AM
Gretchen goes to Nebraska is still the best album for me. Plus the debut.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 17, 2017, 05:18:23 AM
Dogman and Tape Head are essential, the rest is good too but only great to a varying degree.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: pogoowner on October 17, 2017, 06:20:37 PM
The first five albums are stellar, the self-titled probably being my favorite. There are still plenty of great songs after that, but they became fewer and farther between. They still put on a hell of a live performance, though, and it makes me sad that they can't play bigger shows.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 17, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
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I admit I'm extremely ashamed of myself for having never heard BLS, XV or Ogre Tones.  I've heard that they were really strong albums, I just never got around to it.

XV was pretty strong. You should check it out.

Many love Ogre Tones, I find it okay, but more spotty.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Imaginos on October 17, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
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I admit I'm extremely ashamed of myself for having never heard BLS, XV or Ogre Tones.  I've heard that they were really strong albums, I just never got around to it.

XV was pretty strong. You should check it out.

Many love Ogre Tones, I find it okay, but more spotty.

My thoughts exactly, XV is a pretty good album, Ogre Tones is good but it's far from my favorite. Sooner or Later off Ogre Tones is a great song though.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I always kind of wished they would have continued in the more experimental direction of Bulbous, Manic Moonlight, and to a lesser extent, BLS, rather than going back to the more "classic" style on ogre tones and XV.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on October 18, 2017, 08:32:27 AM
I have to admit, everything post-TapeHead really hasn't done it for me in large part. I bought and have everything, as I love the band. But I feel like King's X shifted from this positive, uplifting band, to this complaining, whining band. And I get it. Doug was struggling with his faith, the guys were all going through divorces and other issues, etc. But I felt they really lost what made them so great -- the ability to craft really catchy melodies with a heaviness that still featured beautiful harmonies, and uplifting, or at least positive-like lyrics.

Doug alluded to some of the negativity in interviews over the last four years or so. So, I am hoping when they do sit down and write a new record, they recapture some of the positive vibes they've been missing.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 18, 2017, 08:37:56 AM
I can see what you're saying. I like all their stuff but, as you said, from Tape Head onward it became a bit sketchy. But I've never connected that with negativity (or the absence of positivity) and whining. They were a little bit more experimental and that didn't always work out for me. But maybe what you said played a reason also.

Do any of you know (or believe) that they will record another studio record? It's been awhile.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on October 18, 2017, 08:50:12 AM
I can see what you're saying. I like all their stuff but, as you said, from Tape Head onward it became a bit sketchy. But I've never connected that with negativity (or the absence of positivity) and whining. They were a little bit more experimental and that didn't always work out for me. But maybe what you said played a reason also.

Do any of you know (or believe) that they will record another studio record? It's been awhile.

I have my doubts on a new record. I say that because I interviewed Doug eight years ago, and they were thinking about it then, and nothing came of it -- https://breakdownroom.net/kingsx1109.html -- they also didn't play Gretchen in its entirety like he mentioned there. I just don't know if Doug, Ty and Jerry have anything left to say, honestly. And maybe that's the hold-up with a new album. Perhaps they just don't have anything they feel is good enough.

I saw them live...about a year and a half ago. Feb. 2016, I want to say. They put on a great show, sounded great, etc., and were really loose and jovial like they always are. Perhaps just gigging is enough for them at this point in their career. Fingers crossed we get new tunes at some point.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2017, 08:59:37 AM
I tend to agree but boy do I love "Please Come Home... Mr. Bulbous".
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on October 18, 2017, 09:05:55 AM
I have to admit, everything post-TapeHead really hasn't done it for me in large part. I bought and have everything, as I love the band. But I feel like King's X shifted from this positive, uplifting band, to this complaining, whining band. And I get it. Doug was struggling with his faith, the guys were all going through divorces and other issues, etc. But I felt they really lost what made them so great -- the ability to craft really catchy melodies with a heaviness that still featured beautiful harmonies, and uplifting, or at least positive-like lyrics.

Doug alluded to some of the negativity in interviews over the last four years or so. So, I am hoping when they do sit down and write a new record, they recapture some of the positive vibes they've been missing.

I totally get what you are saying.  I might not call it "whining" as much as just "bitter and cynical."  It seems like more the latter to me.  But I absolutely pick on the shift you mentioned.  And while I like that it brings a bit of dark, edginess, I also miss that positive, uplifting, optimistic aspect that they largely lost.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 18, 2017, 10:50:57 AM
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I admit I'm extremely ashamed of myself for having never heard BLS, XV or Ogre Tones.  I've heard that they were really strong albums, I just never got around to it.

XV was pretty strong. You should check it out.

Many love Ogre Tones, I find it okay, but more spotty.

My thoughts exactly, XV is a pretty good album, Ogre Tones is good but it's far from my favorite. Sooner or Later off Ogre Tones is a great song though.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I always kind of wished they would have continued in the more experimental direction of Bulbous, Manic Moonlight, and to a lesser extent, BLS, rather than going back to the more "classic" style on ogre tones and XV.

I feel the same way, but I'm kind of a fanboy, that I'll go for more a lot of what they do regardless if it is experimental. But I guess the fact Manic Moonlight was so experimental, and it 1-day clicked with me, I grew to appreciate it more.

They may never release another record, but it's sad in some ways per all of them are involved with new music in their other projects.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on October 18, 2017, 05:30:39 PM
I've seen this band 0 times. Of the 40 or 50 times I've considered seeing them something was always happening. Birthdays, parties, ilness, babysitting, dog sitting.

It's a cruel joke at this point. Don't have Ogre Tones or XV yet, but I enjoy the rest, especially those first four and the live albums. They should have recorded more live albums.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 19, 2017, 12:05:14 AM
I've also never seen them live sadly, never had the opportunity. And they didn't tour Germany that much as far as I recall (Lost In Germany  :)).

I've seen some video footage and it was great, but the live album that I have (Live All Over The Place) isn't that great imo. Those acoustic versions (that aren't really acoustic) kinda kill the energy and the sound of the record isn't too great. I wish they would put out a better live recording.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 11, 2017, 02:45:22 PM
bump.

https://twitter.com/GeekUSA_podcast/status/939126948906676224

Cool podcast about the history of the band.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 15, 2018, 10:29:45 AM
bump.

new interview via Skype (broken/buffering audio unfortunately at points) with Dug about the history and what's going on now. Dug mentions towards the end of the video (18:20) there will be a new King's X album within the next few years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=HOVK3nyYtdY

Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on April 16, 2018, 09:13:17 AM
Didn't listen yet, but I am a huge fan. The three of them just have such great chemistry. I will admit, their last great album (for me) is Ear Candy, but I dig all their stuff. I think Doug needs to get more positive again in his lyrics. They don't have to be faith-based (I know the Christian church not accepting the fact he's gay and some other stuff soured what he had to say lyrically), but some more uplifting lyrical content from King's X would be appreciated.

Such a killer band. Here's hoping that new record makes its way to us sooner rather than later.  :metal
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 16, 2018, 09:20:24 AM
Saw Kings X in Jan 2017 and also met dUg. He sang to me. It was awesome.

Also ran into dUg this year. Such a chill guy.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on April 16, 2018, 07:25:26 PM
Didn't listen yet, but I am a huge fan. The three of them just have such great chemistry. I will admit, their last great album (for me) is Ear Candy, but I dig all their stuff. I think Doug needs to get more positive again in his lyrics. They don't have to be faith-based (I know the Christian church not accepting the fact he's gay and some other stuff soured what he had to say lyrically), but some more uplifting lyrical content from King's X would be appreciated.

Such a killer band. Here's hoping that new record makes its way to us sooner rather than later.  :metal

I'd settle for more live gigs myself so I don't keep putting off seeing them live.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: jammindude on April 16, 2018, 10:40:41 PM
Oh dude.  I actually didn’t much care for Ear Candy at all.  But Tape Head was AWESOME!!!   Mr Bulbous was weird, but I like it in its own little quirky way....and then Manic Moonlight happened and that’s where they lost me.   TBH, I haven’t bought anything since except for one of the live releases.  Though I have been meaning to pick up Ogre Tones and XV....Ive heard they were better.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 17, 2018, 01:34:16 AM
Ear Candy was okay, but didn't blow me away, now Tape Head on the other hand is such a great record, it's up there with Dogman as their best imo.

After Tape Head it got a bit sketchy, I like all of their records but from Tape Head on there isn't really one that can stand up to their best. Manic Moonlight was different, but I don't think it's bad. Ogre Tones and XV were solid in a good way, but I still think/hope they can come up with one last really good record.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 17, 2018, 02:30:42 AM
Out of the silent planet and Gretchen goes to Nebraska is still where it's at for me. 
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on April 17, 2018, 04:18:54 AM
I want to throw some love towards Please Come Home... Mr. Bulbous.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on April 17, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
Oh dude.  I actually didn’t much care for Ear Candy at all.  But Tape Head was AWESOME!!!   Mr Bulbous was weird, but I like it in its own little quirky way....and then Manic Moonlight happened and that’s where they lost me.   TBH, I haven’t bought anything since except for one of the live releases.  Though I have been meaning to pick up Ogre Tones and XV....Ive heard they were better.

Really, no love for Ear Candy? What didn't you like about it? I do like Tape Head. Just not as much. And agreed...Bulbous was weird, but it does have its place. But yeah, Manic is terrible, IMO. Ogre Tones and XV are better, but the aforementioned lyrical issues bothered me. I don't need KX to preach, but I do like it when Doug is more uplifting!
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2018, 08:43:21 AM
Manic is one of the few I don't have.  I got into KX very late in the game and basically assembled their discography based on whatever I happened to find in the "used" bin through the years.  I think Ear Candy was one of the ones I bought new.  Never could find a used copy, so I eventually just bought it.  But it was one of the last ones I got.  I like it quite a bit.  But it is a bit of a change in sound, so I can see how it might have been offputting to some fans.  Looking for Love is one of my all-time favorite KX songs, and is a blast to cover.  My weekend warrior cover band had it in our repertoire for a few years and got to play it at a couple of gigs.  I might actually be singing it at a jam in a few weeks.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 17, 2018, 10:30:16 AM
I've come to accept I'm in the small minority that loves Manic Moonlight, but also not to suggest it to those who have not heard KX, or even just their albums from the last 20 years.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2018, 10:39:45 AM
I can't say I don't like it.  I just haven't heard it.  I believe I may have heard live versions of some or all of the first three tracks, but don't recall for certain (other than Believe, which is on Live All Over the Place). 
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 17, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Manic Moonlight isn't bad, I quite like it. But it's different from the rest and therefore not for all fans of King's X. And while I like it, they have a lot of better records, imo.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Imaginos on April 17, 2018, 02:16:49 PM
The first time I heard Manic Moonlight I wasn't a huge fan of it. But I gave it a couple more chances and really came around to it. It's a different sound for sure and it's not one I'm always in the mood to hear, but I like that they at least did something different.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2018, 02:18:41 PM
Interesting.  I wouldn't have even thought you were a King's X fan.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2018, 11:15:06 PM
Oh dude.  I actually didn’t much care for Ear Candy at all.  But Tape Head was AWESOME!!!   Mr Bulbous was weird, but I like it in its own little quirky way....and then Manic Moonlight happened and that’s where they lost me.   TBH, I haven’t bought anything since except for one of the live releases.  Though I have been meaning to pick up Ogre Tones and XV....Ive heard they were better.

Really, no love for Ear Candy? What didn't you like about it? I do like Tape Head. Just not as much. And agreed...Bulbous was weird, but it does have its place. But yeah, Manic is terrible, IMO. Ogre Tones and XV are better, but the aforementioned lyrical issues bothered me. I don't need KX to preach, but I do like it when Doug is more uplifting!

For me, it was just a let down after Dogman (still their masterpiece IMO). 

Pretty sure I’m in the minority on this, but for me, the albums start really great, and then each one is a little bit better than the last one til they hit near perfection with Dogman.   Then Ear Candy was just....really good. 

Silent Planet 8/10
Gretchen 8.5/10
Faith Hope Love 9/10
Kings X 9.5/10
Dogman 10/10
Ear Candy 8/10

Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on April 18, 2018, 09:11:39 AM

For me, it was just a let down after Dogman (still their masterpiece IMO). 

Pretty sure I’m in the minority on this, but for me, the albums start really great, and then each one is a little bit better than the last one til they hit near perfection with Dogman.   Then Ear Candy was just....really good. 

Silent Planet 8/10
Gretchen 8.5/10
Faith Hope Love 9/10
Kings X 9.5/10
Dogman 10/10
Ear Candy 8/10

Cool. I agree on Dogman. It is their finest work, if I am being objective with myself. Usually I say Ear Candy, but like anything, I guess it varies year to year. I won't do the rankings, but yeah, those albums really do no wrong.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 06, 2018, 08:32:42 PM
bump.

new documentary coming (also new album and book btw)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217530816080757&set=a.1107381203222&type=3&theater

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Doug Pinnick
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We have been all over houston documenting our history here for the documentary.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on December 07, 2018, 09:43:41 AM
I knew about the book, and have it pre-ordered. Didn't know about the documentary. Cool! About time! Such a killer band.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 17, 2019, 09:40:30 PM
new Ty Tabor interview

they go into the studio to record the new album in April.

https://growinuprock.com/ty-tabor-from-kings-x-bonus/

Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on February 19, 2019, 08:26:34 AM
Yay!!!

Can't wait!

The book shipped, I should have it today, I think.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on February 19, 2019, 08:55:18 AM
I got the kindle version today. I'll grab a physical copy once they hit Texas again.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ich bin besser on February 22, 2019, 01:26:32 PM
I included this thread in the "A-Z index of band threads".
 
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on February 24, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
For those on the fence about buying the book, I recommend pulling the trigger on it. It moves along quickly, but I have really enjoyed it and the commentary from each band member. Each era of the band's career is talked about by each of the band members separately,  and various guests. It gives you a variety of takes on many issues, but is written in such a way that it doesn't read choppy. It flows.

A couple of tiny editing errors no one will notice really (I've been a writer and editor for 20 years, so I pick up on it), but overall, its an excellent read, and a must purchase for King's X fans.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 24, 2019, 10:19:01 AM
For those on the fence about buying the book, I recommend pulling the trigger on it. It moves along quickly, but I have really enjoyed it and the commentary from each band member. Each era of the band's career is talked about by each of the band members separately,  and various guests. It gives you a variety of takes on many issues, but is written in such a way that it doesn't read choppy. It flows.

A couple of tiny editing errors no one will notice really (I've been a writer and editor for 20 years, so I pick up on it), but overall, its an excellent read, and a must purchase for King's X fans.

Is any more light shed upon the falling out with Wilde Silas Tomkyn?   Both KX and GC have been fairly tight lipped about it.  Other than I got the hint that maybe he was ripping them off or something.   
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 24, 2019, 12:49:05 PM
found this yesterday, and while tribute albums I'm rarely excited about, I gotta say, this isn't bad.

(https://d3jjg4nf4bbybe.cloudfront.net/u/51176/5af98ed618dde48032c7d4ca0f603c0ba74513a7/original/dug-tribute-cd-cover-650.jpg)
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on February 25, 2019, 08:09:11 AM
For those on the fence about buying the book, I recommend pulling the trigger on it. It moves along quickly, but I have really enjoyed it and the commentary from each band member. Each era of the band's career is talked about by each of the band members separately,  and various guests. It gives you a variety of takes on many issues, but is written in such a way that it doesn't read choppy. It flows.

A couple of tiny editing errors no one will notice really (I've been a writer and editor for 20 years, so I pick up on it), but overall, its an excellent read, and a must purchase for King's X fans.

Is any more light shed upon the falling out with Wilde Silas Tomkyn?   Both KX and GC have been fairly tight lipped about it.  Other than I got the hint that maybe he was ripping them off or something.

No mention yet. I'm mid-way through the chapter on the self-titled record. Slightly more than 1/3 through the book.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on March 02, 2019, 10:18:09 AM
For those on the fence about buying the book, I recommend pulling the trigger on it. It moves along quickly, but I have really enjoyed it and the commentary from each band member. Each era of the band's career is talked about by each of the band members separately,  and various guests. It gives you a variety of takes on many issues, but is written in such a way that it doesn't read choppy. It flows.

A couple of tiny editing errors no one will notice really (I've been a writer and editor for 20 years, so I pick up on it), but overall, its an excellent read, and a must purchase for King's X fans.

Did HE interview the band or was this taken from other various historical interviews and compiled for the book? I guess what I'm asking is are these new interviews from the last several years or so or is it kind of a summarized compendium spanning the life of the band?
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ich bin besser on March 17, 2019, 01:33:13 AM
Did HE interview the band or was this taken from other various historical interviews and compiled for the book? I guess what I'm asking is are these new interviews from the last several years or so or is it kind of a summarized compendium spanning the life of the band?

He did the interviews and they seem to be very recent. The band tries to remember the making of every single song, for example - which is interesting sometimes, and sometimes not so much.  ;)
Various musicians, like Mike Portnoy, are also interviewed.
I'm almost done with the book, and it makes me wanna listen to all of their stuff again. I like it.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on March 19, 2019, 08:22:35 PM
Did HE interview the band or was this taken from other various historical interviews and compiled for the book? I guess what I'm asking is are these new interviews from the last several years or so or is it kind of a summarized compendium spanning the life of the band?

He did the interviews and they seem to be very recent. The band tries to remember the making of every single song, for example - which is interesting sometimes, and sometimes not so much.  ;)
Various musicians, like Mike Portnoy, are also interviewed.
I'm almost done with the book, and it makes me wanna listen to all of their stuff again. I like it.

I might get this.

I think I'm more interested in his Islanders book before I get to this one.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on March 20, 2019, 08:45:09 AM
Did HE interview the band or was this taken from other various historical interviews and compiled for the book? I guess what I'm asking is are these new interviews from the last several years or so or is it kind of a summarized compendium spanning the life of the band?

He did the interviews and they seem to be very recent. The band tries to remember the making of every single song, for example - which is interesting sometimes, and sometimes not so much.  ;)
Various musicians, like Mike Portnoy, are also interviewed.
I'm almost done with the book, and it makes me wanna listen to all of their stuff again. I like it.

I might get this.

I think I'm more interested in his Islanders book before I get to this one.

Sorry I missed your question earlier. What ibb said was entirely correct. I enjoyed the book. It sucked that Sam Taylor's perspective wasn't given, but if you read the book, you see how bitter the band is about Sam. Doug and Ty in particular. If their side of the story is correct (and I have no reason to think it isn't), I don't blame them for being angry.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on March 20, 2019, 09:08:02 AM
I'm almost done with the book. Very nice read. Interesting to hear the band talk about ALL of their songs.

Sam didn't want to be interviewed for the book (which is a shame) but it's understandable why he didn't. A of of shady business things going with him and King's X.
Even John Myung makes a few appearances.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ich bin besser on March 22, 2019, 05:32:06 PM
Wow, just got informed that they will play Germany (and maybe get lost again? ;) ) in September. What a perfect timing.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on March 22, 2019, 08:37:00 PM
Wow, just got informed that they will play Germany (and maybe get lost again? ;) ) in September. What a perfect timing.  :hefdaddy

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on March 24, 2019, 10:14:59 AM
Finished the book. It was a great read. Everybody was very open and honest.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: jammindude on March 24, 2019, 11:15:20 AM
Finished the book. It was a great read. Everybody was very open and honest.

 Anything new about my earlier question?
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on March 24, 2019, 10:50:44 PM
The book addresses the Wilde Silas situation. Wikde Silas was another Sam Taylor company and that they used for videos. They were sued when King’s X requested to see the financial books of Sam Taylor. The song Mr. Wilson talks about that. A lot of money was going into Wilde Silas and that’s when the band noticed the money issues. But that’s about it.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on April 20, 2019, 02:11:35 PM
https://twitter.com/dUgpinnick_/status/1118629598273474560

Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 30, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
bump (sorry, I bumped the less replied-to-thread on accident  :P)

https://twitter.com/kingsx/status/1134074392802185222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkingsx%2Fstatus%2F1134074392802185222

We might just have an album..;) #kingsx #newalbum #kingsoftheroad @ Pasadena, California
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByFjLwMnaWl/?igshid=9l3w83uwnfw5
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: fivestring on July 09, 2019, 12:49:10 PM
 :omg: King's X have already recorded 17 songs and will likely release a double-vinyl album this fall:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kings-x-guitarist-says-group-has-recorded-17-new-songs-for-its-forthcoming-album/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kings-x-guitarist-says-group-has-recorded-17-new-songs-for-its-forthcoming-album/)

!!!!!! :metal
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: King Postwhore on July 09, 2019, 01:06:55 PM
Hoping to hear a few new songs Saturday night in NH!!
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 17, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
Jerry has heart issues again.

http://bravewords.com/news/king-s-x-drummer-jerry-gaskill-to-undergo-heart-procedures-2019-tour-dates-canceled

King’s X have issued the following message to their fans...

"On October 14th, during a recent check-up with his Cardiologist, Jerry Gaskill was informed that he had some issues with his heart that needed to be addressed and as a result, he will need to have some procedures to help rectify these issues. Jerry is feeling positive and is looking toward the future, he wanted to make sure that his feelings were truly expressed, on how awful he feels about having this happen. He and the band were looking forward to playing these upcoming shows, especially knowing that they were selling out. Jerry is determined as always to do whatever he can to get back out and see all of the fans, and as his focus is turned inward we all ask that you keep FAITH HOPE AND LOVE during this process."

Says Jerry: “It is with great sadness and sorrow that we must cancel and reschedule these upcoming shows. I thought of every possible way that I could actually get out there and do this. I was very much looking forward to it. But I realized in the end that it just would not be wise. Yet, I am determined once again to come back and be better than ever. Thanks for all the love and understanding."

King’s X representatives add: "On behalf of King’s X, It is with humbled sadness, that we must announce, that ALL upcoming King’s X shows for 2019 will be canceled, to allow for Jerry to fully recover after his operation. The band and Jerry ask that you respect his privacy at this time and please allow for him to recover with peace of mind that he will be back upon the rock’n roll throne once again."

King’s X and its representatives have rescheduled these dates for April 2020:

April
16 - TBA
17 - Hazard, KY - City of Hazard Hal Rogers Center
19 - Nashville, TN - The Basement East
23 - Austin, TX - Come and Take It Live
24 - Dallas, TX - Canton Hall
25 - Houston, TX - Warehouse Live
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 18, 2019, 02:16:22 AM
That sucks, hope Jerry will be well and that he can come back.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on October 19, 2019, 07:22:35 PM
Wow. Health comes first.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on October 21, 2019, 03:10:52 PM
Thoughts and best wishes to Jerry G. on a swift recovery. I know the new KX record is done, so hopefully he can rest up, get everything healed, and then get everything moving next year.

I remember when he had his first heart attack. I had tickets to like four shows in six days doing a local string of tiny clubs here in NorCal. Always bummed I never got to do that crazy staycation/roadtrip, but thankfully Jerry got well, and I've been able to see them a few times over the past years.

One of the best bands ever.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 24, 2021, 10:18:51 PM
bump.

not new, but this Choir arrangement of "The Difference"  :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCaZFyx0-M&fbclid=IwAR3YtiFQ9tK2OXyt9ym6fpn_SPgyObsqsB8-RArLYSAtbJtgNz4kp9woBEg
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: HOF on January 24, 2021, 10:22:24 PM
bump.

not new, but this Choir arrangement of "The Difference"  :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCaZFyx0-M&fbclid=IwAR3YtiFQ9tK2OXyt9ym6fpn_SPgyObsqsB8-RArLYSAtbJtgNz4kp9woBEg

Have seen that before. Very cool.

Wonder if they’ll ever finish the new album they started in like 2019. (Now I read the above posts and see that Jerry’s heart problems are probably to blame for the album not getting done, and I imagine COVID also might have kept things from happening).
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: goo-goo on January 25, 2021, 04:49:55 AM
They are wrapping up the album. Dug shared a pic no so long ago where they were mixing it I believe.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on January 30, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
bump.

not new, but this Choir arrangement of "The Difference"  :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCaZFyx0-M&fbclid=IwAR3YtiFQ9tK2OXyt9ym6fpn_SPgyObsqsB8-RArLYSAtbJtgNz4kp9woBEg

Don't think It's seen that before. Thanks.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 23, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
bump.

no info really on the new album (other than the title is "subject to change"), or even the documentary.

but this is worth a laugh and a happy 60th to Ty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXjEGLv6lxI
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Deathless on June 24, 2022, 10:01:55 AM
First track from the new album!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWUrrCB_Ulo
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on June 24, 2022, 10:13:12 AM
Pre-ordered the album on Amazon!

The first single is...okay.

I love King's X. I discovered them late, with Ear Candy. I don't know why, just never knew of them until then. I remember being at the tail end of the Columbia House thing back in the day, and me wanting to check them out, and Ear Candy was available, so I got it. Loved it immediately. I saw them for the first time six years later or so, at Jones Beach, opening for DT and Joe Satriani. It was their performance of "Cigarettes" from Dogman that just spurred me to find out more. I bought the Greatest Hits and enjoyed it. My wife had Tape Head, and I liked that too. A couple of years later, they were on tour for Black Like Sunday, and played this tiny club in San Francisco called the DNA Lounge. The did a 2.5-hour headline set that absolutely floored me. I went out the next day and bought the entire catalog and have been a hardcore ever since.

So I say all that history as context to say this: I just haven't been impressed with their material post-Tape Head. I don't know what it is, but everything new they've done since that record -- it's okay. They've never made a terrible album. I would never say that. At the minimum, they are well written songs that are enjoyable to listen to. But I haven't been blown away by KX in a long time. And "Let it Rain" continues that. Good tune. Liked Ty's solo. Hoping the rest are more dynamic and blow me away.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 08, 2022, 04:13:55 PM
Sad news

https://blabbermouth.net/news/kings-x-guitarist-ty-tabor-diagnosed-with-serious-illness-european-tour-canceled
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: T-ski on July 09, 2022, 08:44:32 AM
Is there a way to combine the two Kings X threads?
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 31, 2022, 05:27:35 PM
I spoke with dUg Pinnick on Monday, about the new album. He's such a cool dude! Will post the interview here when it's published.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: deggs37 on September 16, 2023, 12:30:20 AM
I saw these guys for the first time last week at a sold out show. Really great time! These guys are really tight.

I'm pretty new to this band despite knowing about them for years and years - found out about them from hearing dUg singing on Lines in the Sand. But I never dUg into the band further than that because I heard they were a Christian band. I'm not really into that stuff. But that seems to be overstated because I don't really get that vibe at all. Ironically, it was their newest release "All God's Children" that changed my mind and hooked me. (Really great song)

I just love how much of a people's band they seem to be and how much they are loved. I really felt that at the show last week. It's a real shame they didn't get bigger than they are, only thing I can think of is that Christian label really hurt them - because it's just great song after great song. Groove for days. These guys are my music obsession lately as I am digging through all their stuff.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: jammindude on September 16, 2023, 01:12:54 AM
The Christian angle is SOOOO exaggerated.  Their first 4 albums vaguely hint at it, but it was mostly pushed by their manager. They wrote very natural songs that occasionally touched upon the search for the spiritual self (along the lines of Carry On Wayward Son by Kansas) but IMO their best album was Dogman (their 5th) which was made right after that same manager ripped them off. The album sheds any previous hints at “Christian Rock” (which were way overstated in the first place) and on at least one song, focused more on the betrayal they were likely all feeling. I can’t recommend this album enough
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on September 16, 2023, 09:01:46 AM
Honestly they were screwed in either direction there.  They toured with Christian artists early on, had some Christian themes at times, and were promoted by arms of that industry, but then a few years in Dug came out as a gay atheist, so that killed any remaining connection there.  I think Ty Tabor still is Christian, but they're not as a band, same as with DT. 
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 16, 2023, 09:27:45 AM
I've really never noticed much if any of the "Christian Rock" elements in their music
(which by comparison to someone like Neal Morse..or even some of the albums from King's X related band Atomic Opera, are pretty blatant).
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: HOF on September 16, 2023, 09:57:49 AM
There were some pretty prominent Christian themes on the early albums (who do you think “King” is about?). But they weren’t exactly writing worship type music either. There was a lot of questioning as well (“The Burning Down”), and even criticisms of some elements of Christianity (“Mission” and “Silent Wind”). I think they came across as very genuine and not just trying to use their faith as a marketing gimmick or whatever. I miss that early period of the band to be honest. I don’t think even Ty identifies as a Christian anymore (on a recent interview he seemed to bristle strongly at a question about it).

But there are lots of early King’s X songs that don’t specifically reference Christianity and it’s all awesome even if that’s not your thing.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on September 16, 2023, 10:14:02 AM
From what I recall he considers himself a Christian but strongly dislikes being associated with organized Christianity and all the baggage that comes with it. 
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Kwyjibo on September 16, 2023, 11:46:47 AM
I never saw them as a christian band, and even if they were, I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 02:35:58 PM
I saw these guys for the first time last week at a sold out show. Really great time! These guys are really tight.

I'm pretty new to this band despite knowing about them for years and years - found out about them from hearing dUg singing on Lines in the Sand. But I never dUg into the band further than that because I heard they were a Christian band. I'm not really into that stuff. But that seems to be overstated because I don't really get that vibe at all. Ironically, it was their newest release "All God's Children" that changed my mind and hooked me. (Really great song)

I just love how much of a people's band they seem to be and how much they are loved. I really felt that at the show last week. It's a real shame they didn't get bigger than they are, only thing I can think of is that Christian label really hurt them - because it's just great song after great song. Groove for days. These guys are my music obsession lately as I am digging through all their stuff.

Enjoy the journey...
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: Samsara on September 18, 2023, 09:43:18 AM
I saw these guys for the first time last week at a sold out show. Really great time! These guys are really tight.

I'm pretty new to this band despite knowing about them for years and years - found out about them from hearing dUg singing on Lines in the Sand. But I never dUg into the band further than that because I heard they were a Christian band. I'm not really into that stuff. But that seems to be overstated because I don't really get that vibe at all. Ironically, it was their newest release "All God's Children" that changed my mind and hooked me. (Really great song)

I just love how much of a people's band they seem to be and how much they are loved. I really felt that at the show last week. It's a real shame they didn't get bigger than they are, only thing I can think of is that Christian label really hurt them - because it's just great song after great song. Groove for days. These guys are my music obsession lately as I am digging through all their stuff.

So glad you discovered them. I had a similar story to you. Knew of them for years, never checked them out. Saw them open for DT/Satriani back in 2002, fell in love, picked up a Greatest Hits CD (I think). Then saw them headline for 2.5 hours in 2004, immediately went out the next day and bought every record and haven't looked back. Dogman, Ear Candy, and Gretchen Goes to Nebraska are the albums I go back to the most.

They totally are "the people's band" as you put it. They are one of those bands where "if you know, you KNOW."
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 27, 2024, 06:51:58 PM
bump.

Anyone curious about rare, early stuff, live and promo videos, including some covers of course when they were Sneak Preview.

https://www.youtube.com/@davidkoblentz/videos
Title: Re: The King's X Thread
Post by: ytserush on March 02, 2024, 11:46:41 AM
bump.

Anyone curious about rare, early stuff, live and promo videos, including some covers of course when they were Sneak Preview.

https://www.youtube.com/@davidkoblentz/videos

Seen some of these before. Pretty cool.