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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: toro on January 30, 2011, 09:06:50 PM
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Am I the only one who follows it?
InB4- "Its fake durr"
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inb4 yes
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I used to...when I was 8.
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I slightly follow it.
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Only when it's between white women.
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I do it even if I know it's fake... Or well, I did it back then when I was like 14 until I was 16. I now pay very little attention to it, because it's fakeness it's so obvious it's not even funny at some times. I mean, those punches suck.
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I used to...when I was 8.
Thats nice, you are an adult know. I follow it since I was like 4 years old my dad used to take me to wrestling matches since I was that age.
I do it even if I know it's fake... Or well, I did it back then when I was like 14 until I was 16. I now pay very little attention to it, because it's fakeness it's so obvious it's not even funny at some times. I mean, those punches suck.
Exactly I know it's fake and I still watch it from time to time now.
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I have been to one live match and one that is part of the touring matches. I used to love it, but like many others feel, the fakeness is too fake. I mean, the storylines contradict each other and if you were watching long enough, none of them made sense because they were so wishy washy.
The one live show that I went to was actually quite "important" for its time. Any of you remember when Evolution put 100,000 dollars on Goldberg's head and Batista "broke" his ankle. I was there.
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I have been to one live match and one that is part of the touring matches. I used to love it, but like many others feel, the fakeness is too fake. I mean, the storylines contradict each other and if you were watching long enough, none of them made sense because they were so wishy washy.
The one live show that I went to was actually quite "important" for its time. Any of you remember when Evolution put 100,000 dollars on Goldberg's head and Batista "broke" his ankle. I was there.
OH GOD, yeah I remember that.
Now I actually change the channel during the talk part and change it back during the actual fight. :lol
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Tonight WWE presented the Royal Rumble. My friends and I play a drinking game to it. The rules are as follows:
Take 1 drink every time someone enters the match
Take one drink every time someone is thrown over the top rope, but lands on the apron
Take 2 drinks every time someone is thrown over the top rope, but only one foot touches the ground
Take 3 drinks for every elimination
Take a socialable every time something unusually cool happens
In addition, before the match every person present picks who they think will win. Their entrance number, 1 through 40, determines how many drinks the person has; first entrant is worth 40 drinks, last is worth 1. When they're eliminated, whoever picked them takes however many drinks they're worth. If they win, they give out that many drinks.
I picked CM Punk this year. He entered first. I am posting this from my friends' house while I sober up before I drive home.
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Thats awesome.
I actually made this Thread because I recently got into wrestling again and I watched the RR. And It was awesome.
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why would you watch wwe when there is ufc?
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why would you watch wwe when there is ufc?
I like both of them, and also I'm from México and wrestling is a big part of our culture.
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I gotta say, I love pro wrestling. It's not even a guilty pleasure, I freely admit it. I usually follow the independent Feds because they treat it more seriously, but I'll still watch the big events of WWE (TNA is dead to me).
All in all, the total came out to over 200 drinks in a little over an hour. Kessler's n' Coke. Am I still lucid?
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I gotta say, I love pro wrestling.
So what do you think about Alberto Del Rio winning? I lol'd.
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why would you watch wwe when there is ufc?
Why would you watch porn when you have a wife?
One is real, messy and occasionally boring. One is idealized and fake but only presents the exciting parts. Watching UFC is fine, bu sometimes I just want to see a motherfucking moonsault.
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I gotta say, I love pro wrestling.
So what do you think about Alberto Del Rio winning? I lol'd.
Love it. So much. I see nothing but potential in him.
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why would you watch wwe when there is ufc?
Why would you watch porn when you have a wife?
One is real, messy and occasionally boring. One is idealized and fake but only presents the exciting parts. Watching UFC is fine, bu sometimes I just want to see a motherfucking moonsault.
Epic post. :lol
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why would you watch wwe when there is ufc?
Why would you watch porn when you have a wife?
One is real, messy and occasionally boring. One is idealized and fake but only presents the exciting parts. Watching UFC is fine, bu sometimes I just want to see a motherfucking moonsault.
:lol
You are the best poster ever.
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I gotta say, I love pro wrestling.
So what do you think about Alberto Del Rio winning? I lol'd.
Love it. So much. I see nothing but potential in him.
Yeah dude, I fucking jumped from my seat when he got Orton out(He is very boring), and then the thing with Santino... Fucking Priceless.
Also Booker T.
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Booker T used to say something a lot...I forget what it was.
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Booker T used to say something a lot...I forget what it was.
Can you dig it...
SUCKA!
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Booker T used to say something a lot...I forget what it was.
Can you dig it... Sucka!
Oh he was one of my favorites back in the day.
edit.- Ninjas
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That's it. :lol
There are very few times I can have a nostalgia trip, being 16 and all, but here it is. :lol
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Tell me you didn't just say that!
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Now I'm lost.
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That was his other catchphrase.
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I used to love wrestling, back in the Monday Night War days and the 5 years after it... but now that the WWE has reverted to PG content and seem so intent in making Cena the new Stone Cold (in terms of single-handedly putting the company on his back, when I just don't see nothing that is that good about him) have turned me off. I mean, they're so PG that I've seen matches being stopped because one of the wrestler was cut and started bleeding and they don't wanna show blood on TV, they brought EMT's in so they could stop the bleeding then the match continue!!!!
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Funny how little things have changed. This would have been probably 30 years ago, back when I watched it. Reading up on some of those goings on and it sounds exactly like the same nonsense nowadays.
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I used to love wrestling, back in the Monday Night War days and the 5 years after it... but now that the WWE has reverted to PG content and seem so intent in making Cena the new Stone Cold (in terms of single-handedly putting the company on his back) have turned me off.
Oh god this, I slowly stopped watching it since Eddie Guerrero died, Kurt Angle left, Rob Van Dam left and when Cena got on the main events, the WWE still has some awesome Wrestlers but Cena just pisses me off.
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That was his other catchphrase.
Ah. Cool.
I used to love wrestling, back in the Monday Night War days and the 5 years after it... but now that the WWE has reverted to PG content and seem so intent in making Cena the new Stone Cold (in terms of single-handedly putting the company on his back, when I just don't see nothing that is that good about him) have turned me off. I mean, they're so PG that I've seen matches being stopped because one of the wrestler was cut and started bleeding and they don't wanna show blood on TV, they brought EMT's in so they could stop the bleeding then the match continue!!!!
I remember when Cena was new. And when he was a complete and utter wigger.
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I used to love wrestling, back in the Monday Night War days and the 5 years after it... but now that the WWE has reverted to PG content and seem so intent in making Cena the new Stone Cold (in terms of single-handedly putting the company on his back) have turned me off.
Oh god this, I slowly stopped watching it since Eddie Guerrero died, Kurt Angle left, Rob Van Dam left and when Cena got on the main events, the WWE still has some awesome Wrestlers but Cena just pisses me off.
Same here! I was like "Maybe I'll start watching TNA" but then TNA became just like the WWE and keeps picking up every wrestler that is released from the WWE.
I mean, Bischoff and Hogan are in there doing the nWo angle (without using that name) for like the one millionth time!!
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I remember when Cena was new. And when he was a complete and utter wigger.
He was annoying even back then :lol
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I remember when Cena was new. And when he was a complete and utter wigger.
He was annoying even back then :lol
Do you remember him from even before that? He use to wear powder blue shorts and had like a "man-desperately-trying-to-prove-himself" gimmick, he was still annoying.
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That is why I stopped watching. Nothing new.
But I remember the first elimination chamber match...I thought I found god.
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I remember when Cena was new. And when he was a complete and utter wigger.
He was annoying even back then :lol
Do you remember him from even before that? He use to wear powder blue shorts and had like a "man-desperately-trying-to-prove-himself" gimmick, he was still annoying.
oh yeah he used to fly from the top rop, in wrestling he wasn't so bad, but his gimmick was STILL annoying.
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That is why I stopped watching. Nothing new.
But I remember the first elimination chamber match...I thought I found god.
I WAS AT THE SECOND EVER ELIMINATION CHAMBER MATCH!!
The moment when Batista became more famous than Triple H!! God, if he wasn't made out of paper the WWE would've been a ton of money because of him!
EDIT: Scratch that, it was the third.
I remember when Cena was new. And when he was a complete and utter wigger.
He was annoying even back then :lol
Do you remember him from even before that? He use to wear powder blue shorts and had like a "man-desperately-trying-to-prove-himself" gimmick, he was still annoying.
oh yeah he used to fly from the top rop, in wrestling he wasn't so bad, but his gimmick was STILL annoying.
Indeed, he has ability and he definitely loves the sport and its history, but damn are his gimmicks annoying!
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The people saying "oh it's fake" are missing the point. It's hilarious melodrama. Well.. it has the potential to be. My roommates and I followed the WWE religiously last year, it was a shit-ton of fun.
Oh, and fuck John Cena.
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My personal favorite ever was Brock Lesnar. Even when he turned into a dick and F5'd the crippled kid into the pole, I still fucking loved him.
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Oh, and fuck John Cena.
AMEN!
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My personal favorite ever was Brock Lesnar. Even when he turned into a dick and F5'd the crippled kid into the pole, I still fucking loved him.
He was a beast, my favorite too.
EDIT: does anyone remember that HOLY SHIT! moment at WrestleMania 19 when Lesnar botched the Shooting Star Press? good times.
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CM Punk was my dude when I was into it.
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CM Punk was my dude when I was into it.
CM Punk is great!
But, my favorite of all-time is Stone Cold Steve Austin, while Shawn Michaels is, IMO, the greatest ever.
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My personal favorite ever was Brock Lesnar. Even when he turned into a dick and F5'd the crippled kid into the pole, I still fucking loved him.
He was a beast, my favorite too.
EDIT: does anyone remember that HOLY SHIT! moment at WrestleMania 19 when Lesnar botched the Shooting Star Press? good times.
I remember that! :lol
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Remember when Undertaker threw Mick Foley off the fucking cage? and then THROUGH the cage? :rollin
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Remember when Undertaker threw Mick Foley off the fucking cage? and then THROUGH the cage? :rollin
Dude that was AWESOME!!!!
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Remember when Undertaker threw Mick Foley off the fucking cage? and then THROUGH the cage? :rollin
"Another holy shit moment brought you by: Mick Foley."
Edge Spearing Mick foley trough a table in Flames.
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Remember when Lesnar and the Big Show broke the ring? :rollin
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Remember when Lesnar and the Big Show broke the ring? :rollin
Shit was cash.
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I still catch it here and there, usually when home on a Monday night and nothing else is on (or if the MNF game was a stinker or boring), but it ain't even close to what it used to be. I grew up watching Wrestling at the Chase with my dad on Sunday mornings when it featured Dick the Bruiser, Harley Race, Bruiser Brody, etc. That was good stuff.
The banner years for me watching it were both the WWF and the NWA/WCW in the late 80s/early 90s and then WCW in the mid 90s. The nWo thing was like the best storyline ever (before it got too big and they made it ridiculous with everyone and their mother being in it). I didn't really watch the WWF much during the Attitude Era, oddly .
As for Cena, he is damn good. A lot of people seem to hate him, but he is good. He might never be a Hogan, Austin or Flair, but so what?
And I also chuckle at those who dog wrestling by saying, "It's fake." It's like, "No shit, Sherlock." I am pretty sure everyone over the age of 12 knows that. But it is entertainment. Silly entertainment, sure, but a lot of people like that.
Favorite wrestlers of all-time are probably Curt Hennig (Mr. Perfect!), Ted DiBiase (best heel ever), Randy Savage, Bret Hart, and, yes, Hulk Hogan. Say what you want about Hogan, but he was over like nobody's business in the 80s.
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Remember when Lesnar and the Big Show broke the ring? :rollin
That was the last match I ever watched during my "religiously watch every WWE show ever" days. I even taped it on VHS and have it stowed away somewhere. :)
Who remembers Too Cool and Rakishi? And Degeneration-X? :) :tup
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Who remembers Too Cool and Rakishi? And Degeneration-X? :) :tup
W-O-R-M, it's the WORM!!!!!
And DX is the greatest stable of all time, followed closely by the first nWo. Both of them put wrestling in the stratosphere during the late 90s.
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I watched weekly until a few months ago. I was a big fan as a young kid, through DX, and then stopped watching for a while. I had been watching the last two years or so because some of my favorites as a kid (Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Undertaker) were still around, then I called it quits around Thanksgiving.
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I really have to disagree with you about Cena, Kev. He has great mic-skills, and he sells his character well, but his in-the-ring action is just SO tired and predictable. I hated watching his matches so much.
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I was a huge fan when I was younger, during the days of the NWA and their partner promotions throughout the country. Our local promotion was Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling run by Crockett Promotions. All of the biggest names of the NWA were there (Ric Flair, Wahoo McDaniel, Ivan & Nikita Koloff, the Rock-N-Roll Express, the 4 Horsemen, eventually the Road Warriors). Awesome sauce all the way around. Of course, Crockett's promotion eventually bought out most of the other promotions, and then became known as World Championsip Wrestling, which eventually sold out to Turner, at which point it really started to suck.
I got into it again during the "Attitude" days of WWE, when Steve Austin, Foley, HHH, and the Rock all made their pushes. That was a great time in wrestling, as well. But then, after I got married and kids came along, I watched less and less, and now it's almost never.
But now my 7 year old daughter is into Smackdown, so we'll see what happens.
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Was a big fan in the late 70's and 80's. Went to see Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka fight Bob Backland in the early 80's at a roller skating rink in Tewksbury Mass at a place called Skate 3. Old school. Fell of the WWF(now E) after I got out of high school.
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Our local promotion was Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling run by Crockett Promotions. All of the biggest names of the NWA were there (Ric Flair, Wahoo McDaniel, Ivan & Nikita Koloff, the Rock-N-Roll Express, the 4 Horsemen, eventually the Road Warriors). Awesome sauce all the way around.
Holy crap, that stuff used to get shown on TBS right? I totally remember all those names. The Four Horsemen were so awesome. Ric Flair is still my all-time #1 favorite guy on the mic.
I used to be big into wrestling as a kid, went to one event when I was around 10. Lost interest for a while, then got back in to it around 2000, when the Rock, Austin, HHH had some great feuds. Never got in to WCW for whatever reason. Stopped following it around 2005. No idea what is going on now.
If I had to pick a favorite over the years, I guess I’d go with the Undertaker. He changed his gimmick a few times, but somehow always was able to keep it fresh, and true to the Undertaker image. I see him still around, and it somehow makes sense, while other old timers just need to hang it up. I didn’t see it live, but the lights going out on HHH/Rock’s Iron Man Match, and the Undertaker coming out and chokeslamming everyone still gets me pumped.
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WWE raped my childhood when they did that whole Katie Vick thing with Kane and Triple H and made Kane take off his mask. Besides Goldberg in WCW, Kane was my favorite wrestler.
This one.
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Not this shit.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_M2FoTlL4Q-E/TBa2evTF0NI/AAAAAAAAAN4/4lKqqZR_FUM/s1600/kane.jpg)
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So out of curiosity, does anybody have any idea who the Von Erichs were, or have they faded from history? Kinda curious how broad their notoriety was and if they had any long-lasting influence.
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So out of curiosity, does anybody have any idea who the Von Erichs were, or have they faded from history? Kinda curious how broad their notoriety was and if they had any long-lasting influence.
I know who they are, also know about their sad history.
The Katie Vick storyline was one of the worst storylines ever conceived! It was so bad the WWE just made it disappear and the whole unmasking of Kane... WHY THE FUCK did he have like a patch of hair on the back of the head?!?!
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I really have to disagree with you about Cena, Kev. He has great mic-skills, and he sells his character well, but his in-the-ring action is just SO tired and predictable. I hated watching his matches so much.
Okay, but that is what the fans want to see. Most wrestlers have four or five main moves that they do in every match, and Cena is no different in that regard. Hell, Hulk Hogan could actually wrestle pretty well, but fans didn't want to see that. They wanted to see him beat on his opponents with punches, his clothesline in the corner, a body slam, a boot to the face and a leg drop. It was more exciting to see Hogan overpower his opponent with the same moves than to see him dissect someone with grapplin' on the mat. Same thing with Cena.
So out of curiosity, does anybody have any idea who the Von Erichs were, or have they faded from history? Kinda curious how broad their notoriety was and if they had any long-lasting influence.
Their feuds with the Fabulous Freebirds were legendary. I still remember Michael P.S. Hayes calling them a bunch of horse-faced dorks. :lol :lol
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I used to follow WWE with my brothers but not anymore, i've watched a few matches here and there though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8RKcLqyFFs&feature=related...some questionable language maybe NFSW
My all time favorite on a mic
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Hahaha yes! That was amazing!! My all time favourite interviewee was Jake the Snake, that guy had class.
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Although the Katie Vick storyline was embarrassingly horrid, I thought it was funny when years later, Shawn Michaels brought it up during a skit in the ring. Atleast they can look back at such horrible things and laugh.
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Oh, and I started watching wrestling around 97 or 98 with WCW. It was when Goldberg first debuted. He quickly became my favorite wrestler. After they made him lose his streak, he was kind of done. He still kicked ass, but they started making him lose in ridiculous ways and just wasn't used properly anymore. I liked the unstoppable force gimmick. It got worse when he turned heal and joined The New Blood with Bischoff. Goldberg CAN NOT play a bad guy in wrestling. He was decent in WWE, but again, Vince handled him very poorly and soon he faded away... Is he still doing reality shows?
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I think Cena gets too much grief for his in-ring skills. No, he'll never be confused with a great mat technician, but he can have good to great matches if he's matched up with someone who can really go (case in point: his one hour Wrestlemania rematch with Shawn Michaels). He definitely catches undue flack from the old school fans because he's a young crowd fan favorite.
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I remember when Cena was new. And when he was a complete and utter wigger.
He was annoying even back then :lol
But he was better than now. I think WWE stopped being good sometime in 2006, and stopped being awesome back in 2003. I liked it because it's not what it's now, where Wrestlers barely hit each other, but because it actually tried hard to keep it the most realistic possible, even though it wasn't.
Oh, and because Stacy Keibler and Torrie Wilson, who always accompanied me in my fap nights.
Wait what
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Oh, and because Stacy Keibler and Torrie Wilson, who always accompanied me in my fap nights.
Trish Stratus :heart
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Oh, and because Stacy Keibler and Torrie Wilson, who always accompanied me in my fap nights.
Trish Stratus :heart
She was there as well.
:heart
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Wrestling was the only thing I cared about from age 5-10 :lol. Rob Van Dam will ALWAYS be my idol. Mr. Monday Night, The Whole Fuckin' Show. I used to watch old ECW videos of Sabu, Tommy Dreamer, and Jerry Lynn. Best stuff ever. I remember the un-masking of Kane and as a 6 year old, it scared the shit out of me :lol
Does anyone remember The Ministry Of Darkness? Coolest members ever, up there with Evolution and The Four Horseman as the top stables.
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Sabu was such a horrible wrestler!! Botches in bunches.
EDIT: Is there any worst looking belt than those new WWE Tag Team Titles?!?!
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Does anyone remember The Ministry Of Darkness? Coolest members ever, up there with Evolution and The Four Horseman as the top stables.
The ministry, that was right about when I stopped watching. Wasn't the counter group the Union?
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The Union countered The Corporate Ministry.
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That's right, my bad.
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Sabu was such a horrible wrestler!! Botches in bunches.
EDIT: Is there any worst looking belt than those new WWE Tag Team Titles?!?!
1.- Yes sabu was a botchfest
2.- the WWE championship
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There's no way that look worst than those tag titles!
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Hahaha yes! That was amazing!! My all time favourite interviewee was Jake the Snake, that guy had class.
Haha, I wouldn't say he had class, but he was one of the best ever at promos, and very few have ever matched him as far as ring psychology goes.
Oh, and I started watching wrestling around 97 or 98 with WCW. It was when Goldberg first debuted. He quickly became my favorite wrestler. After they made him lose his streak, he was kind of done. He still kicked ass, but they started making him lose in ridiculous ways and just wasn't used properly anymore. I liked the unstoppable force gimmick. It got worse when he turned heal and joined The New Blood with Bischoff. Goldberg CAN NOT play a bad guy in wrestling. He was decent in WWE, but again, Vince handled him very poorly and soon he faded away... Is he still doing reality shows?
Goldberg sucked and was a hack. A big musclehead who didn't give a crap about the business and was unsafe in the ring. He is the tool who kicked Bret Hart in the head, which eventually led to Hart having to retire.
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CM Punk was my dude when I was into it.
CM Punk is great!
CM punk is a pansy. I weigh like 80 pounds and I'm bigger than that guy.
Undertaker is the best them.
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CM Punk fucking kills it on the mic, especially as a heel. The Straight Edge Society could have been a great stable.
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I didn't see much of the SES, since I don't really watch Smackdown, but as the new leader of Nexus I'm loving it!
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Did anyone here see the documentary on the sport done a couple of years back. Very powerful and moving, can't remember the name of it right now, gonna go look.
EDIT: Beyond the Mat Any fan or former fan of the sport needs to see this one.
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Did anyone here see the documentary on the sport done a couple of years back. Very powerful and moving, can't remember the name of it right now, gonna go look.
EDIT: Beyond the Mat Any fan or former fan of the sport needs to see this one.
I actually own the DVD..the interviews/story line with Terry Funk,Mick Foley and Jake Roberts are a 'sobering look' behind the scenes.
Even the discussion with New Jack after his assault charges (attempted Murder??) for blading a guy so severely in the ring, when the guy wouldn't sell his moves.
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So out of curiosity, does anybody have any idea who the Von Erichs were, or have they faded from history? Kinda curious how broad their notoriety was and if they had any long-lasting influence.
Aren't they all dead?
At any rate, their influence beyond the borders of Texas was neglibible at best. Their claim to fame was Ric Flair dropping the NWA title to Kerry Von Erich at the Parade of Champions in 1984, only to claim it back again less than a month later in Japan. IIRC, that was done as a favor to Fritz Von Erich.
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Sabu was such a horrible wrestler!! Botches in bunches.
EDIT: Is there any worst looking belt than those new WWE Tag Team Titles?!?!
Jeff Hardy's TNA Championship.
Edit: Ah yes, here we go! Gaze upon it, ye mighty, and despair!
(https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/102/534/0101_crop_340x234.jpg?1289877970)
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GET READY TO TAKE FLIGHT WITH THE BIRDS OF WAR
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:lol
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Who remembers the bushwackers? :lol
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:rollin
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Ten internet points to anyone who can find a gif of their dance.
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Best ones I could find were this one
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and this one.
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:rollin
Win.
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Sabu was such a horrible wrestler!! Botches in bunches.
EDIT: Is there any worst looking belt than those new WWE Tag Team Titles?!?!
Jeff Hardy's TNA Championship.
Edit: Ah yes, here we go! Gaze upon it, ye mighty, and despair!
(https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/102/534/0101_crop_340x234.jpg?1289877970)
OH GAWD! MY EYES!!!
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I was catching up with what happened in WWE from 2008 to 2010 and I remembered someone who almost killed the WWE to me:
Bobby Lashley
Worst powerhouse ever.
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Racist.
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Yeah, my friends and I called him Black Lesnar. He was pretty... pretty useless.
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As much as everyone talks shit about Goldberg, no one will ever top him as a powerhouse. I didn't see much of Lashley, but Brock Lesnar was definitely the worst offender when it came to botching moves and whatnot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
OMG, I fucking soiled myself laughing at that one. :rollin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
Do you read With Leather too? Just saw this today :lol :lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
Do you read With Leather too? Just saw this today :lol :lol
Nah, saw it at another forum. Still awesome though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
I saw that yesterday too :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
BEST. MOVE. EVER.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4TDGlbTz8
OMG, I fucking soiled myself laughing at that one. :rollin
Just noticed this comment...
Whoever thinks this is fake is an idiot. Look at his mask!!! I was halfway through the video before I realized I was dancing, too
:rollin
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:lol
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:lol that's fantastic
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Anyone caught The Rock on Raw tonight?!
That. Was. Amazing!!
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So bummed I missed it :( I'm sure video will be on line soon
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For anyone who watched the WWF during the Attitude Era, tonight was full of goosebumps!
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For those who missed it last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2rdtRg0LM8&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcbip5xj4w&feature=player_embedded
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For those who missed it last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2rdtRg0LM8&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcbip5xj4w&feature=player_embedded
Thanks I turned it off before hand
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You nostalgia, you lose.
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Can't wait to get home to watch those.
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Wow! The Rock! That was great.
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I admittedly didn't watch the WWF that much during the Attitude Era, but watching those clips was pretty awesome. And seeing him cut a promo like that really shows how weak most of the WWE's top stars right now are at cutting them.
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Yep I was like: :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy all the time.
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I admittedly didn't watch the WWF that much during the Attitude Era, but watching those clips was pretty awesome. And seeing him cut a promo like that really shows how weak most of the WWE's top stars right now are at cutting them.
The Rock is the all time best at cutting promos!
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I admittedly didn't watch the WWF that much during the Attitude Era, but watching those clips was pretty awesome. And seeing him cut a promo like that really shows how weak most of the WWE's top stars right now are at cutting them.
The Rock is the all time best at cutting promos!
I wanted so badly to find an example to disprove you (Just because) but what you say is so truthful, I'm gonna call it gospel, copy it down endlessly, declare holy the name of Dwayne and have a motherfuckig schism with anyone who dares suggest differently.
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I haven't heard a crowd pop like that in years.
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I haven't watched wrestling since WWF with The Rock. I'm still not a fan, but I caught that on youtube. Pure fucking awesome. Also, I had a conversation with my mom the other day about wrestling:
Mom: That stuff's so fake.
Me: Well, yeah, everyone knows that.
Mom: Then why do they watch it?
Me: It's like a soap opera for guys.
Mom: Huh, I never thought of it that way.
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I admittedly didn't watch the WWF that much during the Attitude Era, but watching those clips was pretty awesome. And seeing him cut a promo like that really shows how weak most of the WWE's top stars right now are at cutting them.
The Rock is the all time best at cutting promos!
I wanted so badly to find an example to disprove you (Just because) but what you say is so truthful, I'm gonna call it gospel, copy it down endlessly, declare holy the name of Dwayne and have a motherfuckig schism with anyone who dares suggest differently.
Ric Flair was arguably better (in his prime back in the 80s). And if not, it is close enough to where you can't say either was clearly better.
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I haven't watched wrestling since WWF with The Rock. I'm still not a fan, but I caught that on youtube. Pure fucking awesome. Also, I had a conversation with my mom the other day about wrestling:
Mom: That stuff's so fake.
Me: Well, yeah, everyone knows that.
Mom: Then why do they watch it?
Me: It's like a soap opera for guys.Mom: Huh, I never thought of it that way.
I use that expression myself all the time
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Wow. That video was awesome. I smiled and I don't watch WWE anymore. The Rock is awesome.
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Wow. That video was awesome. I smiled and I don't watch WWE anymore. The Rock is awesome.
My feelings exactly. Haven't watched any WWE in at least 5-6 years. I almost wish I didn't know who was coming out, the excitement would have been 100x as great. The great thing about The Rock is that his shoots/promos almost seem to get stronger as he goes on, whereas most people can overstay their welcome. When he got to Cena's [whiney voice]You can't see me[/whiney voice] I fell out of my chair laughing.
I thought it was neat when he addressed the fans as Dwayne. Is he really back for good, as he said?
And goddamn Vicki Guerrero(?) go the f*** away.
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I very much doubt that he's gonna appear regularly after Wrestlemania, or that he's gonna wrestle again, but maybe he'll rock bottom someone on 'Mania.
But oh would I pay copious amounts of money to see just one more Austin/Rock match!!
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Well he did say he's back and he isn't leaving again didn't he? Maybe he realized he's not getting anywhere in hollywood and started missin' the sport again. If I was him I would have just fired my manager as he was taking the Hogan movie route. His first few movies were entertaining even if they were generic action. Infinitely better than anything Tooth Fairy related. ''hey let's get another wrestler in a tutu!''
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Yes, but then he has Fast Five that's being released on April so you know he's gonna be on that promotion tour. And there's also the Journey to the Center of the Earth sequel he's doing...
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I wouldn't say he isn't getting anywhere in Hollywood. He's dependable, and has forged a real career for himself. More power to him.
And yeah, the only one I can think of in the Rock's league as far as promos was Ric Flair. Of course, he was the best at everything wrestling-related.
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Anyone Catching the PPV tonight?
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found a stream online, caught the end of the Smackdown Elimination Chamber. Not bad so far.
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found a stream online, caught the end of the Smackdown Elimination Chamber. Not bad so far.
That whole part with Misterio and Edge was very good!
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found a stream online, caught the end of the Smackdown Elimination Chamber. Not bad so far.
That whole part with Misterio and Edge was very good!
Yeah mang, but the Big Show thing was a BIG letdown
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icwatudidthur
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Same old shit.
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The first chamber was the best part of the PPV. I wish they'd ended with that one.
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Wrestling Observer has the almost confirmed Mania card
- Miz vs Cena
- HHH/Taker w/HBK as ref
- Edge vs Del Rio
- Orton vs Punk w/ Ryan in Punk's corner
- Morrison. Trish & Kelly Kelly vs. Dolph, Layla & McCool
- Barrett, Jackson, Slater & Gabriel vs. Show, Kane, Kofi & Christian
- Mysterio vs. Rhodes (possibly with Dusty)
- Lawler vs. Cole w/Swagger and Austin as Ref
- Bryan w/Gail vs. Sheamus w/Bellas
NO MITB
Well, it looks really, REALLY bad.
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I admittedly didn't watch the WWF that much during the Attitude Era, but watching those clips was pretty awesome. And seeing him cut a promo like that really shows how weak most of the WWE's top stars right now are at cutting them.
The Rock is the all time best at cutting promos!
I wanted so badly to find an example to disprove you (Just because) but what you say is so truthful, I'm gonna call it gospel, copy it down endlessly, declare holy the name of Dwayne and have a motherfuckig schism with anyone who dares suggest differently.
Ric Flair was arguably better (in his prime back in the 80s). And if not, it is close enough to where you can't say either was clearly better.
JAKE THE SNAKE HAD THE BEST INTERVIEWS. Hands down. So energy. So Powah.
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I'll probably order wrestlemania just to see Undertaker/HHH
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As far as promo's go, I would say Flair was better overall at delivering them, but Rock's entertainment value cannot (still today) be beat.
Just comparing the Rock vs Cena exchange for the last few weeks... Cena makes me cringe in embarrassment. He is so out-classed by the Rock.
I lost interest in wrestling about 4-5 years ago, probably around the time all the stars from the 90s went off in different directions. The writing, characters, and performances just got uninteresting - likely due to the lack of competition... they beat WCW, ECW and nothing to really compete against (TNA doesn't count). HBK, HHH and Undertaker alone couldn't carry the company any longer.
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I'll probably order wrestlemania just to see Undertaker/HHH
I'd agree with that. Looking at that potential card, this is the only match that screams "Wrestlemania caliber" to me. While I totally mark for guys like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk, I'm pretty uninterested by their stuff with Sheamus and Orton.
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I love Punk, too. Who is Bryan, though? NXT guy?
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He is and Indy's guy, he used to go with the name Bryan Danielson (I think thats his real name) anyways he is awesome.
And im a Cm Punk mark too :metal
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CM Punk is awesome!!
So put me down in the CM Punk mark club too.
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I love Punk, too. Who is Bryan, though? NXT guy?
Yes, he was on NXT. He was the dude who never got a win throughout the series and was constantly made fun of by Michael Cole, strangled Justin Roberts with his own tie during the NXT Invasion and got fired three days later, only to come in as Cena's mystery partner at Summerslam in Team WWE vs. Nexus, then captured the US Title from the Miz the next month and has held it ever since.
I've been a huge fan of his since his ROH days. Any time you saw him on the card, you just knew you were getting a quality match.
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So... TNA. Did anyone else order this shit heap of a PPV tonight?
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Nope, it's TNA.
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So... TNA. Did anyone else order this shit heap of a PPV tonight?
lolTNA has gone downhill since 2009
Also
lolJeffHardy
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I'm just glad that with Michael Cole we now have a heel/face dynamic behind the announce table again.
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Talking about wrestling... https://vimeo.com/21021823 :lol
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So... TNA. Did anyone else order this shit heap of a PPV tonight?
lolTNA has gone downhill since 2009
Also
lolJeffHardy
Hardy's done...he is still awaiting trial and after the fiasco at the PPV ( so stoned that the matched last all of 88 seconds, reports he was found passed out on the bathroom floor before the match)
TNA went downhill when the started signing all the WWE rejects ala WCW back in the late 80's early 90's
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DUDE BUT THEY SIGNED HULK HOGAN!!!!
lol
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Miz on Conan the other night. Pretty entertaining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUXLrT9GTJw&feature=player_embedded#at=72
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Saw this interview yesterday.
https://popwatch.ew.com/2011/03/24/dwayne-johnson-the-rock-wrestlemania-27/
Don't cock tease me about a return to the ring!!!! Don't cock tease me if you're not gonna do it!!!!
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So... like... Cody Rhodes IS the future of the WWE.
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Not until he adds some knee pads/shin guards to his attire.
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Not until he adds some knee pads/shin guards to his attire.
:rollin :rollin
The Rock tonight on RAW :caffeine:
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Holy crap! The Undertaker vs HHH match was amazing!
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Holy crap! The Undertaker vs HHH match was amazing!
Yeah, really! :o
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I'll hve to find it online somewhere
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Okay WM was goddamn horrible.
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Holy crap! The Undertaker vs HHH match was amazing!
Yeah, really! :o
I was surprise how ended, but it was the way to do it with the story they were telling in the match.
Though I don't know what to make of Triple H walking under his own power and 'Taker being taking out on a cart... are they gonna extend the rivalry?
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Okay WM was goddamn horrible.
It wasn't bad. Only fight I didn't like was Cena vs. Miz.
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The trend is that Taker disappears after WM until SS, then in February/March starts a random rivalry against a big name. So I don't think they'll start a Taker/HHH rivalry.
After HHH tombstoned Taker, I thought for sure it was over. What a match.
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Did this break that streak of his?
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Nah, Taker won but barely.
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Ah. I stopped paying attention, but little things like that still interest me.
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Holy crap! The Undertaker vs HHH match was amazing!
This. Punk/Orton was also pretty good, although I'm still pissed about them dumping the Sheamus/Bryan match.
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I'm MAD AS FUCK
DB vs Sheamus being a dark match
Del Rio vs Edge had Illogical booking, and opening the show was a bad decision, its the goddamn World HeavyWeight Title for fuck sake.
The Main event was a bad, the double count-out and the subsequent GM bullshit was a cheap cop out, It could have been so much better.
The only 2 good matches were HHH vs Taker(The time they took to enter the ring and to GTFO could have gone to DB vs Sheamus)
And Mysterio vs Cody.
FUCK.
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my buddy who ordered it seemed fairly pleased with it overall, and god bless the internet because I believe I'm "acquiring" it already :lol
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I agree I didn't like the double count-out and then the restart in the Cena/Miz match, but since I got to see a Rock Bottom and a People's Elbow I won't complain much. :lol
EDIT: Though, I loved the little video of Miz they did. That was awesome.
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Ok guys we got our first match for Wrestlemania 28
The Rock vs Cena.
I Marked
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Ok guys we got our first match for Wrestlemania 28
The Rock vs Cena.
I Marked
I marked like a motherfucker! And I so want to go to WM 28 now!
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Hells. Yes. :metal
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Not into wrestling myself but my brother is a huge fan and he asked me to order the pay per view.
In Australia was just under $40, how much do you guys pay in America?
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$54.99. I believe the exchange rate works out to about nine Bloomin' Onions.
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Setting a match a year in advance? :lol Yet another middle finger from Vince McMahon to the fans. "We'll give you what you want, but you're gonna wait a year for it."
Also, I found WM from the other night online pretty easily, and Punk/Orton was the best match. The crowd was absolutely dead for Cena/Miz, and Undertaker/HHH didn't live up to the hype. Boring match that saw one or both guys lying there hurt for most of the match.
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I'm just gonna treat this as the DTF wrestling thread. So... Edge retired tonight, and it's got me pretty bummed out. Currently acquiring Wrestlemania 16 and 17 to rewatch some of those legendary TLC matches he was a part of.
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Edge retired tonight
WAT
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Edge retired tonight
WAT
https://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Update_on_Edge_s_Retirement_from_Tonight_s_RAW.html
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;_; I has a sad.
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At first I thought it was some storyline, until he completely broke kayfabe and talked about The Brood.
:sadpanda:
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Aw man I always liked him! What's the deal with his neck?
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Aw man I always liked him! What's the deal with his neck?
Looks like it's still pretty fucked up, he said something about the WWE making him take more test and they coming back with not so good result. I remember he broke it in '03 or '04 and was out for a while.
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That sucks, he was always one of my favorites.
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Aw man I always liked him! What's the deal with his neck?
https://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE_s_Official_Announcement_on_Edge_Retiring.html
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Yeah, sad to see him go. :( Although I loved what he said about Vicky. :lol
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That's terrible. Hope he's okay.
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Meanwhile, Undertaker is still going...
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Meanwhile, Undertaker is still going...
I know, it's kind of sad.
The Christian heel turn never came to life... I would have loved an Edge vs Christian match for the title.
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Was wondering why the Heavyweight title match was first. I wish him well. I think my favorite Edge memory will always be the Live Sex segment with Lita :tup
I'm kidding of course. That guy had an amazing career. Hard to believe he was in the WWE for nearly 20 years. Hopefully he'll come back for some backstage segments.
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Monday's Raw was awful. The best bit was this sign
(https://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/memes-wrestlers-problem.jpg)
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Was wondering why the Heavyweight title match was first. I wish him well. I think my favorite Edge memory will always be the Live Sex segment with Lita :tup
I'm kidding of course. That guy had an amazing career. Hard to believe he was in the WWE for nearly 20 years. Hopefully he'll come back for some backstage segments.
Pro wrestling is like the mafia: Just when you thought you were out, they keep on pulling you back in. Just look at the Million Dollar Man. I remember reading in interviews from years ago about how he'd never appear on WWE TV again for religious reasons. Now, how many times has he been on Raw in the last year and a half?
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Monday's Raw was awful. The best bit was this sign
(https://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/memes-wrestlers-problem.jpg)
That conversation they had was so painful to watch!
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Greatest. Rick Roll. Ever.
https://twitter.com/#!/steveaustinBSR/status/62659360492486656
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Was wondering why the Heavyweight title match was first. I wish him well. I think my favorite Edge memory will always be the Live Sex segment with Lita :tup
I'm kidding of course. That guy had an amazing career. Hard to believe he was in the WWE for nearly 20 years. Hopefully he'll come back for some backstage segments.
Pro wrestling is like the mafia: Just when you thought you were out, they keep on pulling you back in. Just look at the Million Dollar Man. I remember reading in interviews from years ago about how he'd never appear on WWE TV again for religious reasons. Now, how many times has he been on Raw in the last year and a half?
It's his son, if I remember correctly.
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Yes, but the original Million Dollar Man has popped up a few times, as well.
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Yes, but the original Million Dollar Man has popped up a few times, as well.
Oh, OK. I don't follow it that closely anymore.
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Yes, but the original Million Dollar Man has popped up a few times, as well.
Oh, OK. I don't follow it that closely anymore.
Neither do I. I went the indy route, so now I can be totally snobbish about my lowbrow tastes.
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Here's indie for you: my brother is good friends with people who run a local promotion. It is seen by tens of people every month or so.
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Here's indie for you: my brother is good friends with people who run a local promotion. It is seen by tens of people every month or so.
Haha.
My bassist is friends with people in a local wrestling federation here in Chicago, apparently it's pretty big too. I was told that we were asked to play at what is meant to be "their" wrestlemania. I was like ehhhhhh, until I found out that Brett Hart and Mick Foley would have been in attendance. Then I was all for it. But are we going to play it? No. Why? Because our bassists cover band (a cover band) has a gig that night.
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Sounds like you need a new bassist.
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Oh Fuck Christian is the new :hefdaddy WHC
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That was actually a pretty good PPV. Christian as new champ, and we got Awesome Kong!
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Punk should have gone over (though with rumors that he might be taking time off, I guess I understand him not getting pushed), Rhodes should have gone over, and I would have liked to have seen Miz hold on to the belt. Also, even though I enjoy having a a heel announcer in Cole, this in ring nonsense with him and the others needs to end :lol
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Layla vs McCool was awesome I was marking the entire match... and then KONG... OH MY GOD.
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Anyone here follow TNA?
I thought last night's show was great...Bring back Chris "wildcat" Harris to team with Matt Hardy against Beer Money, revealing Chyna as Kurt Angle's mystery partner..Mick Foley being the "network" representative who has been making Immortal's life miserable.
Just wish this was live rather than taped 2-3 weeks in advance, sometimes you just can't help finding out the spoilers when its taped that far in advance
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In probably my only high-horse decision in recent memory, I've stopped following TNA in light of several atrocious PPVs and business practices. If I want an alternative to WWE (And I usually do) I'll give my money to companies like ROH, DGUSA or Evolve who earn it.
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In probably my only high-horse decision in recent memory, I've stopped following TNA in light of several atrocious PPVs and business practices. If I want an alternative to WWE (And I usually do) I'll give my money to companies like ROH, DGUSA or Evolve who earn it.
I refuse to order any pay-per-views from any of the companies, as it seems you never get any bang for your buck...ROH is a promotion I've been looking to get into, but my cable company doesn't carry the station they are on. DGUSA from what I have seen on the web is something I would watch on a normal basis...never heard of Evolve have to check it out
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I'd definitely recommend trying out DGUSA. They run a small amount of shows, so it's tough to get overwhelmed by them, plus nearly every show more than delivers in terms of quality. If you're interested, I'd be more than happy to give you some recs.
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And today, Ring of Honor, one of my favorite indy feds, announced they've been bought by Sinclair Broadcasting and are getting a major TV show up and running in the next few months. I'm ridiculously excited.
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very cool, I've heard a lot about them, but never checked any of their shows out.
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Well, you're about to. Right now, the plan is to get a weekly show up and running in 3 months, probably in a Saturday evening timeslot, and also put the shows online, as well.
ROH is an awesome fed, and it's interesting to see where guys like CM Punk, Samoa Joe and Daniel Bryan all came from, as they're each former ROH World Champions.
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Poor Miz... Fucking BURIED.
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Like you didn't know they were just gonna do The Passion of the Cena again?
At least Christian/Orton saved the PPV from being completely worthless.
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Epic worked shoot by CM Punk tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OS9wZGb_3g&feature=player_embedded
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Yeah, CM Punk tonight. Wow.
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and that's why he's the best in the company
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CM Punk is a god!!!
I still can't believe they're letting him go!
By the way, if it was worked, they're really going all out on it, WWE.com main page says he's indefinitely suspended and he's been remove from the roster.
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No way that wasn't a work. They wouldn't have let him go on for that long if it wasn't. And the WWE logo that usually closes the show was shown halfway through the Cena/Truth match, so cutting the end of the show off suddenly was obviously part of it all. Is it possible that Punk went over board a bit with his comments? Maybe. But it was still a work, and the fact that there is a lot of buzz about it means it is working well. Reminds me of the NEXUS thing last summer which came out of nowhere and caught everyone off guard. It had that "real" feel to it, too, but was also a work.
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^^^ that's what I said to my buddy before, there hasn't been this kind of buzz in the IWC since the Nexus debut last summer. He definitely would have been cut off earlier if it was a shoot, and I'm hoping that the talk of him leaving next month is a lark and he picks up the belt and goes on a monster title run as a heel.
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Either way, I mark'd!
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https://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-news/wwe/spoilers-ongoing-results-for-next-weeks-raw/
Those are next week's Raw results, since it's gonna be a pre-taped show.
It is indeed a worked shoot, but it was indeed the greatest thing to happen in WWE since the Attitude Era ended.
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HOLY. FUCK.
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And that's why I have and always will mark for CM Punk.
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That was pretty cool I guess. I haven't watched wrestling in years and am certainly not a CM Punk fan, but I enjoyed that rant. Question though: Was he referring to Shane when he said "son in law" because Shane looks too much like Vince to be from another father.
EDIT: I forgot about Triple H. lol
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I love Punk.
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That was pretty cool I guess. I haven't watched wrestling in years and am certainly not a CM Punk fan, but I enjoyed that rant. Question though: Was he referring to Shane when he said "son in law" because Shane looks too much like Vince to be from another father.
Shane's no longer a part of the company.
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That was pretty cool I guess. I haven't watched wrestling in years and am certainly not a CM Punk fan, but I enjoyed that rant. Question though: Was he referring to Shane when he said "son in law" because Shane looks too much like Vince to be from another father.
Shane's no longer a part of the company.
Why not? Where'd he go?
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That was pretty cool I guess. I haven't watched wrestling in years and am certainly not a CM Punk fan, but I enjoyed that rant. Question though: Was he referring to Shane when he said "son in law" because Shane looks too much like Vince to be from another father.
Shane's no longer a part of the company.
Why not? Where'd he go?
He's now the CEO of a company bringing the "on-the-demand" TV thing to China and serves on the board of directors of a sports management company. I do believe he still owns part of WWE, but he's not working for them anymore.
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That was pretty cool I guess. I haven't watched wrestling in years and am certainly not a CM Punk fan, but I enjoyed that rant. Question though: Was he referring to Shane when he said "son in law" because Shane looks too much like Vince to be from another father.
Shane's no longer a part of the company.
Why not? Where'd he go?
He's now the CEO of a company bringing the "on-the-demand" TV thing to China and serves on the board of directors of a sports management company. I do believe he still owns part of WWE, but he's not working for them anymore.
At least he's still doing pretty well for himself.
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The more I think about that promo last night, the more I'm believing this is Punk's "Austin 3:16" moment! He even wore a Stone Cold shirt! Please don't fuck it up, WWE!!
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Kind of a stupid question, but what happens when wrestlers really retired or get fired while having the belt? They gotta give it back right? I used to be a huge wrestling fan, but I don't really know all that much behind the scenes stuff.
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Just watched that promo from last night. Wow.
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Kind of a stupid question, but what happens when wrestlers really retired or get fired while having the belt? They gotta give it back right? I used to be a huge wrestling fan, but I don't really know all that much behind the scenes stuff.
That really doesn't happen anymore, not since Ric Flair effectively ended that.
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Well, they are given a replica of the belt, I've seen pictures of Triple H's and Rock's house where they have them in display cases.
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What a promo. I wonder if it was a shoot or he was told to mention them to make him seem edgy. Nevertheless, that is why Punk is one of the best on the mic and I would say that was the best promo in the past 10 years.
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What a promo. I wonder if it was a shoot or he was told to mention them to make him seem edgy. Nevertheless, that is why Punk is one of the best on the mic and I would say that was the best promo in the past 10 years.
All the topics he mentioned (ROH, John Laurinitis, Paul Heyman, etc.) are actually pretty safe topics. Sure, they're controversial, but they're all under control. Had Punk actually been shooting, we would've heard a LOT more fucked up shit (He could've gone off on the wellness policy or Orton's previous backtage treatment of the Divas, for instance). But no, he mentioned buzzwords to appeal to smarks to make them go "Oh yeah, I was pissed about that!"
But the fact that he could cause such a stir with corporate-approved controversial topics is damn impressive and a testament to how good he is on the stick. I hope he finds his way back to ROH, especially now with their TV deal.
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What a promo. I wonder if it was a shoot or he was told to mention them to make him seem edgy. Nevertheless, that is why Punk is one of the best on the mic and I would say that was the best promo in the past 10 years.
If it was a shoot, the mic would`ve never been turned on for him.
If it was a work that pushed the boundaries, they would`ve cut him off the instant he said anything not ok`d.
Nothing, and I repeat ... NOTHING would ever get to air on TV if it wasn`t planned. No way Vince would ever take a chance with anyone going off script. The instant anything doesn`t or isn`t going as planned, they`d cut to commercial. Most guys write or have a lot of input into their script, but make no mistake, anything that gets on air is 100% planned ahead of time. Proof ... the `hug` back in `96 between HBK, HHH, Hall and Nash was never shown until WWE bought WCW. Sure, it wasn`t a televised show, but NEVER was it ever shown on WWE TV, or even spoken about for years.
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As far as I know(from some loldirtsheets) a lot of the stuff he said was exactly why he was leaving the company and supposedly he IS leaving after MITB. I hope not I'd love a CM Punk title run :sadpanda:
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Yeah, I read on sescoops.com that they only told him to go out and say why he was leaving and what he felt about the company and were only gonna cut the mic when he mentions the anti-bullying campaign.
But so far it looks that even if he doesn't leave the WWE, he will be taking some months off after MitB.
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So... Vince saying Cena is fired if he looses to CM Punk is basically saying Punk has already lost :(
Unless WWE has actually re-grown their balls...
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I've always wondered the logistics of WWE. Is every match choreographed completely, or are 'they' just like "you dominate for the first 5 minutes or so, then a momentum swing, he attempts a finisher, you counter and you pull off the upset." And by 'they', who are they? Is Vince out the back and runs the wrestlers through every match and how it's going to go down, or are there others, or what? I've always wondered this.
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My guess is that Vince and his crew have information about who should win based on popularity, ratings, etc and then they give a few instructions to the fighters and the fighters along with their trainers, specialists or whatever prepare the whole fight, movement by movement.
This is just a guess though, I have absolutely no knowledge of how the whole business works.
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my impression has been that there may be a general outline for the match, includoing some of the big spots/moves, but it's not 100% laid out. I remember reading that the classic Savage/Steamboat match from WM 3 was unusual in that it was entirely planned, they spent weeks rehearsing the match in a ring at Savage's house. As far as who plans stuff, there are a group of (usually) former wrestlers called agents who work in the back and work with guys to plan stuff out.
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For normal house shows, the bookers decide who wins or loses, and the wrestlers generally make it up as they go along. It's important that they each get in their main moves, but otherwise there is a lot of room for making stuff up.
For pay-per-views, they prepare more beforehand, especially if there is a "holy shit" moment planned.
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I've always wondered the logistics of WWE. Is every match choreographed completely, or are 'they' just like "you dominate for the first 5 minutes or so, then a momentum swing, he attempts a finisher, you counter and you pull off the upset." And by 'they', who are they? Is Vince out the back and runs the wrestlers through every match and how it's going to go down, or are there others, or what? I've always wondered this.
Most matches aren't completely choreographed. In fact, the only one I can remember is Warrior/Hogan from some Wrestlemania many years ago, mainly because it was supposed to be a huge match and they didn't want anything to go wrong.
For your everyday match, however, the booker/writing team decides who will win and how (Pinfall, run-in DQ, count-out, etc.). The wrestlers will then work out a rough outline of how the match will go. They may discuss it with other wrestlers or road agents (Who are often former wrestlers themselves) to get ideas on how to make the match more exciting or flow better, but by and large, the matches are called in the ring between the wrestlers themselves, and the referee, who may pass information between the two or tell them when to 'go home', or head into the finishing stretch.
The wrestlers are all pretty familiar with each other's spots and signature moves and can usually tell what move is being set up if it's going to be a big move. For example, The Rock always did The People's Elbow after he hit a spinebuster, so if Wrestler B got hit by that, he knew to lie there while The Rock did his thing. But for smaller things, like reversing an Irish whip or hammering on a body part, the wrestlers themselves will usually call that on the fly in the ring (You can watch almost any Botchamania on Youtube to find examples of guys audibly calling moves in their matches).
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Oh, Botchamania, I love those videos!
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Fuck yeah! botchamania!
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Cm Punk :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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great segments to begin and end the show last night... if I wasn't working I might be ordering the PPV this weekend.
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The best part of his promo at the beginning of the show was the megaphone. I actually laughed out loud for real when he pulled out the Back to the Future line when Cena's music was blaring as he entered the ring area - "I'm afraid your music's just too darn loud." Although he left the word "darn" out. :lol :lol
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Yup, and I loved him getting a crowd pop for mentioning the old WWE ice cream bars
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Yeah, I was marking out all over the place last night.
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Yeah, I was marking out all over the place last night.
Watched the segments on YouTube a lil bit ago. I think I've always enjoyed the promos more than the matches, although they were pretty awful in WCW.
Looking back, WCW was pretty awful in general. Jericho had some good promos though.
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Jericho is GOAT.
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Jericho is GOAT.
Jericho is Government Owned Alien Territory?
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Jericho is GOAT.
don't know about that, even if he is the man of 1,001 holds
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Jericho is GOAT.
Jericho is not a barnyard animal, although he's beaten a goat, and if you've beaten 1 barnyard animal, you've beaten them all.
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Smackdown MitB match delivered!
Also, Booker T is more annoying that Cole tonight!
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FUCK YEAH DANIELSON, I'M MARKING SO HARD RIGHT NOW.
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FUCK YEAH DANIELSON, I'M MARKING SO HARD RIGHT NOW.
Watch him try to cash it in when Punk beats Cena only to lose and then McMahon ordering Del Rio to cash his in and Del Rio beating Punk.
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I hope this is Randy Orton turning heel, because he is fucking horrible as a baby face!
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
Oh God, was I marking out during that match!!! I fucking screamed "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!" when the little WWE sign came up on the screen and Punk still had the belt!!!!
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1000000/10
Best PPV of the last 5 years. I was marking the whole match.
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I was marking the whole match.
Same here!!! I literally was screaming "NO!" when Cena went for that last AA!
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Jesus Christ. Jesus fucking Christ. I loved so many things on that show.
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DickButt, Christian, Del Rio and Punk... I believe in you again WWE, I really do.
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I didn't see it, someone give a rundown of everything that happened.
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You know, I wanna thank WWE. I haven't marked out like this in 8 years.
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I didn't see it, someone give a rundown of everything that happened.
Daniel Bryan won the MITB of Smackdown, Henry beat Show, Christian won the World Title, Alberto Del Rio won the Raw MITB and CM Punk beat Cena and kept the belt!!
EDIT: Oh, and Kelly Kelly retained the Divas Title.
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Daniel Bryan won the SD! MITB briefcase
Mark Henry defeated Big Show
Alberto Del Rio won the RAW MITB briefcase
Christian defeated Randy Orton by DQ but he still won the World Championship
CM Punk defeated Cena fot the WWE Championship after Vince tried to pull off another screwjob then when punk was celebreating Del Rio came out to cash in his MITB but got knocked down by punk, punk left the building trough the crowd.
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https://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-news/wwe/backstage-mitb-news-summerslam-plans-bret-foley/
– According to a high level production source on site in Chicago on Sunday, Vince McMahon arrived at the arena with an extension to CM Punk’s contract in hand.
The WWE Chairman seems determined to keep Punk in the company, and part of the plan is for Punk to headline SummerSlam, either against Cena in a rematch, or against the Money In The Bank winner in some sort of stipulation match.
“Everything is up in the air,” we were exclusively told. “Whatever deal Punk cuts will determine the future of the WWE Title!”
:caffeine: :caffeine:
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Cool.
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The IWC is blowing up over the Cena - Punk match. People are calling it a five star match, and that it made the MitB the best PPV in years.
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I might have to watch that match then.
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https://www.sescoops.com/wrestling-news/wwe/backstage-mitb-news-summerslam-plans-bret-foley/
– According to a high level production source on site in Chicago on Sunday, Vince McMahon arrived at the arena with an extension to CM Punk’s contract in hand.
The WWE Chairman seems determined to keep Punk in the company, and part of the plan is for Punk to headline SummerSlam, either against Cena in a rematch, or against the Money In The Bank winner in some sort of stipulation match.
“Everything is up in the air,” we were exclusively told. “Whatever deal Punk cuts will determine the future of the WWE Title!”
:caffeine: :caffeine:
During an appearance along with Ring of Honor star Colt Cabana on Siriux/XM promoting tonight's Money in the Bank PPV, CM Punk claimed he was offered a new five year deal with WWE and turned it down. He also added that Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson didn't deserve to be in the main event of Wrestlemania 28 next year in Miami.
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Saw it this morning and, wow, what a moment. The crowd was behind Punk 100% and booed Cena like crazy, and the pop went Punk won was insane.
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DickButt, Christian, Del Rio and Punk... I believe in you again WWE, I really do.
Who in the Hell is DickButt, and/or why would your phone autocorrect something to that?
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If that was an autocorrect, that'd be one of the best ever! :lol
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Just watched the match. Twas really cool, but gotta say, The Go To Sleep isn't a very good move. The youtube vid was shitty, but it still looked like he didn't come close to connecting that move.
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I think it's a good finisher. In real terms, if you put someone in a fireman's carry and then flip them over and drive your knee into their chest, they might not "go to sleep" :lol :lol, but it would probably be enough to get a 3-count. It is certainly better than Cena's attitude adjustment, which is basically just a body slam from a fireman's carry position. Both guys have good submissions finishers, though.
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Yeah CM Punk version is toned down to match the wwe safety standards but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpN55b4x8FE&feature=related
Now that can make you Go To Sleep.
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Somehow I knew that clip would feature KENTA, and that it'd be posted by TheSuicidalDragon.
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You know, I wanna thank WWE. I haven't marked out like this in 8 years.
WTF does Marked out mean?
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downloaded the show from last night... Holy shit, only crowd I've heard in the same league as the one from last night's main event was for Rock vs Hogan from Wrestlemania 18. Also, the spot in the Smackdown MitB where Sin Cara got powerbombed through a ladder looked crazy.
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You know, I wanna thank WWE. I haven't marked out like this in 8 years.
WTF does Marked out mean?
Basically, to go crazy happy at whatever just happened. Derived from the term 'mark', meaning someone who fully buys into the story (Oftentimes to the plot of believing it's all real). "Mark out" is a term for something that hardcore smart marks (Or 'smarks', guys who know about the backstage business) go crazy happy over.
For example, I follow the business pretty closely, so I don't really go wild for something like John Cena's Attitude Adjustment like most kids in the audience will. However, I got that same level of happiness when Daniel Bryan, my favorite active wrestler in the world today, won his Money in the Bank match, and is now all but guaranteed to hold a major world championship within the next year. Thus, I marked out for that moment.
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MY BODY WAS NOT READY FOR THIS... HHH JUST BURIED VINCE.
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WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
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Mother of fuck, this just gets better and better!
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..what!?!
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I am REALLY loving what the WWE is doing right now!
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Last night's Money in the Bank was the first bit of wrestling I've watched in years. Then followed it up with tonight's Raw, but I found myself losing interest rather quickly. The drama at the end was snooze-worthy.
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And then *SMACKDOWN SPOILER* Daniel Bryan announced that he's officially waiting to Wrestlemania to cash in his briefcase. I never thought I'd say this again, but WWE is making several exciting decisions lately.
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Oh BTW the DickButt Nickname came from an Imageboard when we got the new that he was signing a contract with the WWE someone said somenthing like: "I hope they don't name him somenthing stupid like Dirk DickButt". and that nickname just stuck.
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So it seems that CM Punk is still working...
https://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183201p1.html (https://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183201p1.html)
I'm so glad the WWE actually seem to be doing something right for once. Last Monday's RAW actually had matches and events that felt like they mattered for the first time in years.
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^ just saw that video, love the way this is playing out.
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Oh BTW the DickButt Nickname came from an Imageboard when we got the new that he was signing a contract with the WWE someone said somenthing like: "I hope they don't name him somenthing stupid like Dirk DickButt". and that nickname just stuck.
Fair enough. My best friend and I call him "Lloyd Boner" from an interview he did after he got released following the NXT riot. They asked him if he was planning on going to TNA, and his response was "Yeah, I just bet the fans would love to see Desmonde Wolfe vs. Lloyd Boner."
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"Whats Lloyd Boner doing on the Impact Zone?"
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Just watching some videos on youtube of raw in 98 and 99. It seems like it was all so much better back then
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Just watching some videos on youtube of raw in 98 and 99. It seems like it was all so much better back then
It was. But this is pretty cool, from what I can tell.
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So it seems that CM Punk is still working...
https://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183201p1.html (https://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183201p1.html)
I'm so glad the WWE actually seem to be doing something right for once. Last Monday's RAW actually had matches and events that felt like they mattered for the first time in years.
They are definitely on to something here. Let's hope they don't screw it up.
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Notice the difference here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jt1Wa0NcnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R9l47UJO_c
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Yes, but Cena is a bitch.
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Just like Janet1234
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Just like Janet1234
Meta!
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Just like Janet1234
lol
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Just like Janet1234
Meta!
Community and wrestling Fuck Yeah!
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Just like Janet1234
Meta!
Community and wrestling Fuck Yeah!
Fuck yeah!
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And with that, Mysterio becomes the first WCW guy that came over after WWE bought WCW to win the WWE Title.
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I would have liked to have seen Del Rio successfully cash in
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I would have liked to have seen Del Rio successfully cash in
I think they're gonna keep doing what happened tonight (and in MitB) until SummerSlam.
Del Rio HAS to cash it in before the Royal Rumble, because Danielson already said that he's gonna use it on WM so Del Rio has to use it before the Rumble or else that whole match becomes irrelevant.
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Del Rio is awful. Hopefully, he becomes the first person to be unsuccessful in cashing it in. It has to happen at some point (someone failing to win when cashing it in), and Del Rio is just lame enough to be that guy.
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Del Rio is awful. Hopefully, he becomes the first person to be unsuccessful in cashing it in. It has to happen at some point (someone failing to win when cashing it in), and Del Rio is just lame enough to be that guy.
Del Rio is awesome.
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Incorrect stuff
Del Rio is awesome.
+1
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Cult of Personality hit, and I knew it had to be Punk. I still fucking want that shirt :metal
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Cult of Personality hit, and I knew it had to be Punk. I still fucking want that shirt :metal
Great song to use as his new theme!
Also, I knew Rey was gonna lose the moment they announce he was facing Cena!
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Nice job bringing Punk back already. He is too hot right now to let sit on the sidelines for weeks, or even months.
Del Rio is awesome.
How so? He is average on the mic (unless screaming your name into the mic makes you good), he is average in the ring, and his attempts at looking mean and menacing are laughable. The only thing he is good at is looking smug and arrogant, but all that does is make him the modern day version of Rick Martel.
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I MARKED MY BALLS OFF
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Just found out Sgt. Slaughter lives about 45 miles away from me, awesome.
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Check out this really good interview Bill Simmons did with CM Punk. It's 42 minutes, but worth listening to:
https://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=6808291
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Check out this really good interview Bill Simmons did with CM Punk. It's 42 minutes, but worth listening to:
https://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=6808291
Not kidding, I was actually gonna post that right now because I got to the part where Punk tells Simmons that he made up his mind to return on WWE on the day of the MITB PPV.
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Great minds think alike, eh? :P :biggrin:
And you have to figure that Cena would have won had Punk not re-upped with the company the day of MITB. They weren't gonna let Punk leave as the champ and win the belt if his contract was expiring for real. Rumors for a while had been that Cena/Del Rio would be headlining SummerSlam, but the combination of Punk's rise and Del Rio having lost a lot of steam (despite the pushes they are trying to give him) is working out well for fans. Cena/Punk should be an epic feud for a while now.
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They're still thinking of giving him a title run towards October, because the WWE is doing a Mexico tour...
But all signs point to them shuffling everything around CM Punk. :D
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So his shirt is online at WWE's shop, but without the "Chicago 7-17-11" bit. The original shirt design was on sale at the venue for MitB, and supposedly is going for $300-500 on ebay right now :omg:
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>Summerslam.
>Cena vs Punk.
>Winner takes it all.
>Punk wins after a long and brutal match.
>Del Rio music hits.
>Cashes in on Punk.
>Wins.
>PPV ends.
>RAW
>First Segment.
>Del rio has the "real" title on his waist.
>Ricardo Rodriguez has the other one on his.
MAKE THIS HAPPEN HHH, DO IT.
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That'd be horrible. This Punk angle has the potential to bring in new fans or bring back old ones, and putting the strap on a chump like Del Rio (which would make those new or returning old fans go, "WTF?") would kill all of the momentum that has been building over the last month. Cena/Punk needs to be front and center for a while (at least until they have to steer Cena back towards feuding with the Rock, in preparation for WM), and the two biggest commodities on Raw besides those two are Miz and Mysterio, not Del Rio. Del Rio simply isn't main event or world title material right now. The smart move would be to have him fail to cash in, and then have him win the U.S. title to see if he can gain any momentum back.
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Who the hell is this Del Rio guy? Was he one of those guys who came up and was written to just beat everyone until he, by default, became a top-of-the-card wrestler?
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Del Rio was Dos Caras Jr., one of the top names in Lucia libre, son of the famous Dos Caras. Basically, their first attempt to find someone to replace Mysterio when he retires so they can keep the lucrative Hispanic market. It was a pretty big get for them, especially considering they got him to take his mask off, and probably led to them picking up Mistico (Sin Cara) and Averno as well.
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Oh, okay. Makes sense. Is he any good in WWE?
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Lucha libre
FTFY
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Del Rio was Dos Caras Jr., one of the top names in Lucia libre, son of the famous Dos Caras. Basically, their first attempt to find someone to replace Mysterio when he retires so they can keep the lucrative Hispanic market. It was a pretty big get for them, especially considering they got him to take his mask off, and probably led to them picking up Mistico (Sin Cara) and Averno as well.
Rumors have it Sin Cara's day maybe over. He failed a wellness test and WWE higher ups aren't happy with the fans response (pretty luke warm) . He is also having a hard time transitioning from the Lucia Libre style to something more suitable for WWE audiences ( they (management) don't like alot of the high risk moves he does)
Latest on Sin Cara's status with WWE
» Reported by Adam Martin of Wrestleview.com
» On July 24, 2011 at 3:34 pm
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Roy Sutherland sent word that Sin Cara has been removed from the WWE Summerslam poster. R-Truth is now replacing him which you can view at this link. An image of the old poster featuring Sin Cara can be viewed at this link.
As for Sin Cara's status with WWE following his 30 day suspension, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reported this week that a number of people within WWE are under the impression that the company has decided to "cut bait on him." The writing team wasn't told until a day or two before the Money in the Bank PPV last Sunday that he needed to be written out and were also told to not "put any thought into any scenarios for him going forward." It should be noted that it wasn't made clear he was being released, but the tone seemed to indicate it.
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Del Rio was Dos Caras Jr., one of the top names in Lucia libre, son of the famous Dos Caras. Basically, their first attempt to find someone to replace Mysterio when he retires so they can keep the lucrative Hispanic market. It was a pretty big get for them, especially considering they got him to take his mask off, and probably led to them picking up Mistico (Sin Cara) and Averno as well.
Rumors have it Sin Cara's day maybe over. He failed a wellness test and WWE higher ups aren't happy with the fans response (pretty luke warm) . He is also having a hard time transitioning from the Lucia Libre style to something more suitable for WWE audiences ( they (management) don't like alot of the high risk moves he does)
And yet, they give him that high risk finishing move he uses and don't let him do La Mistica (his submission finisher in Mexico), which not only is it less risky, but can be done on whatever size wrestler they put him up against.
But he's been announce to appear on a show in October, so I guess they're giving him a second chance. From what I've heard, his reception has been lukewarm but he's moving merchandise.
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@kev
You hate on Del Rio too much mang, anyways i actually think summerslam would be to early for Del Rio, but i forgot to mention it.
And you need to understand this simple MITB escenario:
Punk is a fan favorite
Cena is a fan favorite
Del Rio Cashes in on any of those 2 after a match=Insta heat
I know the wwe can milk this feud between punk and cena a lot more, so instead of summerslam, survivor series or the mexico RAW show would be the most likely (and best) times for Del Rio to cash in.
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See, I don't think that just because Del Rio won MITB, he has to be successful in cashing it in. I know everyone so far in the history of MITB has been successful in doing so, but eventually someone has to fail, and Del Rio is just ordinary enough to be that guy! ;) It can't be Del Rio failing against Cena, because Cena doesn't need the rub (not to mention that the internet world would explode with more SuperCena hate :lol), but just imagine if Del Rio tried to cash it in against Punk and failed! Punk is already getting over with tons of fans, despite still being a heel technically, but you have him survive Del Rio's MITB cash-in, and he'd be more over than he already is right now.
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So, last night I watch TNA to see if it's gotten better since the last time I saw it... Man was that I painful 2 hours! Sting is now doing a TDK's Joker impression, which he does a good job but it's such a ripoff, oh and everyone whom he interacts with HAS to say at least 4 times "you're insane/crazy/nuts".
Ugh, TNA's horrible!
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So, last night I watch TNA to see if it's gotten better since the last time I saw it... Man was that I painful 2 hours! Sting is now doing a TDK's Joker impression, which he does a good job but it's such a ripoff, oh and everyone whom he interacts with HAS to say at least 4 times "you're insane/crazy/nuts".
Ugh, TNA's horrible!
The highlightof TNA was when Jeff Hardy tried to wrestle while extremely high.
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So, last night I watch TNA to see if it's gotten better since the last time I saw it... Man was that I painful 2 hours! Sting is now doing a TDK's Joker impression, which he does a good job but it's such a ripoff, oh and everyone whom he interacts with HAS to say at least 4 times "you're insane/crazy/nuts".
Ugh, TNA's horrible!
The highlightof TNA was when Jeff Hardy tried to wrestle while extremely high.
I saw that match on Botchamania, it was funny how Sting had to hold him down to finish the match quickly. I loved that they show after a fan screams "THAT'S BULLSHIT!" and Sting turns around and goes "I agree!" with such a frustrated face.
I was waiting for a Cornette "FUCK THIS COMPANY" face. :lol
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not WWE or TNA but still an awesome takedown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggq27m5r1O8&feature=player_embedded
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What is wrong with me when I expected this to be about punk music?
I watched wrestling back in 97-98ish.
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Skinny Fat Ass.
That is all. That is all.
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He didn't say "fat". *shrugs*
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Sure sounded like fat to me.
And basically everyone else.
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While the impression of Johnny Ace was great, I am fed up of seeing him on TV already.
I bet he will be on screen more often too. GM maybe?
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I bet he will be on screen more often too. GM maybe?
Nah, he's gonna appear just to be the bad guy to Triple H's "I'm all about the fans" COO aproach.
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Punk absolutely destroyed Helmsley in that promo last night, but give it time and HHH will probably do his usual routine and absolutely bury Punk. :\
And Cena's impersonation of Laurinaitis was pretty funny last night, as was the skateboard crack (a reference to when he was Johnny Ace, and he and Shane Douglas were the Dynamic Dudes back in the late 80s). Cena can be funny on occasion when he wants to be.
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I loved when Punk did the pose Triple H used to do back when he was "The Connecticut Bluebood".
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Oh, and for all you Del Rio lovers, the crowd was absolutely dead for him last night. He isn't even interesting enough to boo anymore. :lol :lol
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Oh, and for all you Del Rio lovers, the crowd was absolutely dead for him last night. He isn't even interesting enough to boo anymore. :lol :lol
He lost all of his heat when he lost to Edge at WM that match killed him.
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I love Booker T as a commentator way more than as a wrestler...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvwLQtDDtT4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvwLQtDDtT4)
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God he's so annoying!!
All he does is say "awwwww yeaaaaahhhh!"
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So, apparently Miz and Maryse are still "dating"...
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kC83Z3TC0fE/S0Jg-NIvtbI/AAAAAAAAFEQ/xt49NBZ40rM/s400/R+maryse+pin.jpg)
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that lucky sonofabitch :lol
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that lucky sonofabitch :lol
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Nice.
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Sorry Kev but...
Rodriguez:
"Aqui esta su Nuevo campeon y el orgullo de Mexico: Albertoooooo del RIOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
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where the fuck did Kevin Nash come from :lol
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I'm wondering where they're going with this Kevin Nash thing, though I'm not surprise Alberto cashed in the MitB.
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I'm a fan of that. Just that whole shebang. There's, like, 5 things about that which intrigue me.
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Steph is in a conspiracy with Nash.
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It's sad how much the WWE has devalued their own titles. Del Rio being the WWE champ reminds me of when Jack Swagger was the world champ last spring: a guy no one cares about is just given the title, and odds are that in a year or so, the title reign will all but be forgotten. It happened with Swagger, and will probably happen with Del Rio, too.
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It's sad how much the WWE has devalued their own titles. Del Rio being the WWE champ reminds me of when Jack Swagger was the world champ last spring: a guy no one cares about is just given the title, and odds are that in a year or so, the title reign will all but be forgotten. It happened with Swagger, and will probably happen with Del Rio, too.
I actually kind of agree with you, I mean I do love me some Del Rio, but I can see how some people may think he is to "new" to get the tittle.
I think he could have gotten much more heat if the match was a normal match and not a cash in.
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That's the catch-22 of the Money in the Bank briefcase. Sure, you're all but guaranteed the title, but you're also all but guaranteed to be seen as someone who lucked into the title by the fans, and the ironic thing is that it was originally meant to help elevate new stars. Especially with two briefcases these days. At least Danielson announced he'll cash it in ahead of time, and thus will hopefully gain some legitimacy in the eyes of the fans should he win.
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Late to the party, but love Punk having Cult of Personality as his theme. God I love that song.
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MITB is a good idea, but it has gotten stupid since everyone is always successful when cashing it in. The excitement from the surprise is usually very short-lived, and we are then sometimes left with chumps like Swagger, Del Rio, etc. being a world champ.
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MITB is a good idea, but it has gotten stupid since everyone is always successful when cashing it in. The excitement from the surprise is usually very short-lived, and we are then sometimes left with chumps like Swagger, Del Rio, etc. being a world champ.
Don't be hatin'
The MITB feels worthless now because theres 2 winners. And because after RVD's cash in every other cash in has been the same way, it's not new anymore.
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Not hating; just calling it the way I see it.
Punk destroying Nash in that promo last night was awesome.
OMG Kevin Nash WTF thought he was dead LOL
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Not hating; just calling it the way I see it.
Punk destroying Nash in that promo last night was awesome.
OMG Kevin Nash WTF thought he was dead LOL
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
:lol Punk and Nash on the mic against each other is seriously good stuff to watch. Hope we get some more :tup:
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Nash seem a little rusty, though. Besides the "short order cook from the Wafflehouse" comment, Punk owned him.
Also, if Nash is gonna appear more now, I really hope he uses the nWo Wolfpack song as his entrance music. None of that Diesel shit!
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Nash was never very good on the mic. Scott Hall was always the better of the two on the mic (which I mention since those two were together so much in their primes).
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Can Nash even wrestle anymore? Isn't his leg really fucked up?
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Compared to a lot of the people we've seen on the mic in the last few years, Nash seemed amazing at it. Pretty much everyone from this generation except CM Punk has no talent with the mic whatsoever. For ages I couldn't tell apart Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, Alex Riley, Miz, etc because they had no defining characters as a result of them being equally terrible on the mic, saying the same crap over and over. And as entertaining as John Morrison is to watch, he's probably the worst on the mic they have.
It's good to actually have what seems like a decent feud happen on the mic. For ages it's been the heel having a decent argument or grievance until they get kicked in the head by the person they directed it at because the face can't argue back properly. Even Shawn Michaels did it when he was on a few weeks back when CM Punk came out with a good few points about the newer generations not being allowed to grow and older generations just using guest spots as a chance to plug something. HBK responded with some sweet chin music to some guy from Nexus who hadn't even said anything. I know Punk almost did something similar on Raw last night, but it felt like out of actual rage rather than something in place of a response in an argument.
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Am I alone in thinking that Wade Barrett/Daniel Bryan was a great match at SummerSlam?
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No, I've seen plenty of praise for that match in Summerslam recaps/reviews
I think we could be headed towards a HHH/Stephanie power struggle storyline. She could have texted Nash behind H's back, and could argue that she's been groomed for the business and she, not her husband, should have been put in charge.
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I think we could be headed towards a HHH/Stephanie power struggle storyline. She could have texted Nash behind H's back, and could argue that she's been groomed for the business and she, not her husband, should have been put in charge.
I think this is where they're going too. There's a reason Stephanie started appearing again on TV.
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Am I alone in thinking that Wade Barrett/Daniel Bryan was a great match at SummerSlam?
Not at all, that match was probably my favourite from this year. The number of times where it looked like they were taking shots was amazing, plus some seriously cool technical stuff and interesting moves. Daniel Bryan's probably the wrestler I'm most looking forward to see develop over the next year or so. Him and Barrett seem to work great against each other too.
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Barrett is one of my favorite wrestlers right now in WWE, I think he will eventually be one of the main guys in the company.
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Matt Hardy was released from TNA after being arrested on DUI charges.
(https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQB2rdQQektZnjcrH71uxkgkIfqJYFVCe0kgXNx0zvGkBpK7X6H&reload=on)
:facepalm:
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Those wacky Hardy Boyz. What will they do next?
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What an asshat.
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Matt Hardy's description of the crash:
“When the side windows glass smashed into my face, arms, & neck, some of the blood that did felt almost angelic. I went from being afraid to die to feeling like I was almost being reborn with some sort of an ABSOLUTE PURE LIFE-FORCE. It was the most amazing thing I’ve every experience, I felt like I’d just received the blood of an angel flowing inside me-I know this sounds crazy! Due to these, I only have urges to help people. And miraculously, all my vices are gone.
Amen Friends,
MATTHEW”
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Very good episode of Raw last night. ADR and John Morrison put on a solid match, we got new tag champions that people will actually care about, and Cena and Punk continued to show that they just click in the ring. More good promo work as the storyline for the main event scene played out too.
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I saw that Nash distraction coming from a mile away, that's so overused in wrestling.
Also, I liked the Awesome Truth.
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yeah, as soon as Triple H got the message that Nash was in a hospital, you knew shenanigans were coming during the main event. Now it's just a question of who Johnny Ace is working for
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The funniest bit was the crowd throwing Cena's shirt back to him TWICE. Even funnier was Punk throwing his shirt to the same spot that had thrown Cena's back after the first time. And near the end, on the close-up on Punk, you can see him mouth, "They didn't throw my shirt back." :lol :lol :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQszihug-qA&feature=player_embedded
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Matt Hardy was released from TNA after being arrested on DUI charges.
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:facepalm:
Man, he just can't break out of his brother's shadow in anything, can he?
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The funniest bit was the crowd throwing Cena's shirt back to him TWICE. Even funnier was Punk throwing his shirt to the same spot that had thrown Cena's back after the first time. And near the end, on the close-up on Punk, you can see him mouth, "They didn't throw my shirt back." :lol :lol :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQszihug-qA&feature=player_embedded
That bit was awesome! The whole crowd was crazy last night.
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The funniest bit was the crowd throwing Cena's shirt back to him TWICE. Even funnier was Punk throwing his shirt to the same spot that had thrown Cena's back after the first time. And near the end, on the close-up on Punk, you can see him mouth, "They didn't throw my shirt back." :lol :lol :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQszihug-qA&feature=player_embedded
:lol
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Even if you hate the guy, that's still some pretty good memorabilia. I'm sure you could get a fair price for it on ebay.
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Professional wrestler Matt Hardy was charged Saturday with driving while impaired after his car hit a tree in Moore County, the State Highway Patrol said.
The crash happened at 12:46 p.m. about a half mile south of Vass, Trooper B.J. Smith said.
Hardy, 36, of the 300 block of Boys Camp Road in Cameron, was driving south in his 2009 Chevrolet Corvette when it ran off the road and struck a culvert and a tree, Smith said. Hardy was not injured, according to Smith.
Hardy had not been drinking, Smith said, but appeared to have taken some type of impairing substance.
Hardy submitted to a blood test, Smith said.
Speed was a factor, as well, Smith said. Hardy was traveling more than 55 mph but less than 70 mph, Smith said.
Hardy has wrestled for World Wrestling Entertainment and most recently was working for Total Nonstop Action. A two-sentence statement on the TNA website Monday says Hardy, who was already on suspension, has been released from the TNA roster.
Hardy is scheduled to appear in court Sept. 28.
I also found this,
Another Matt Hardy Story
Mic if you print this can you please withhold my name?
After reading about what happened with Matt Hardy yesterday, I surfed the internet and saw what many fans were saying. Matt Hardy is a drug addict. Matt Hardy is a loser. Matt Hardy is a liar. I have been to Matt Hardy's home several times and have seen the real Matt Hardy. Matt Hardy is loved. Matt Hardy is genuine. Matt Hardy is generous.
I am writing this because I fear for the man's life. It is no secret that the Hardy Boyz are going down a dangerous path full of prescription pills, illegal drugs and copious amounts of alcohol consumption.
The North Carolina wrestling scene is centered around the Hardy Boyz. These guys look out for the guys coming up. Every year, they have a Christmas party where they invite everyone in the business, whether you have 1 year or 20 years in, to come celebrate. The parties are wild, but the Hardyz go out of their way to say hi to everyone. No one is excluded, an indy wrestler is welcomed and greeted as if they were a TV name.
Last year's Christmas party was when I seriously wanted to say something, but the man has treated me well so I bit my lip. After reading his most recent news, I wanted to get this out there for his real friends to process.
At last year's Christmas party, Matt Hardy was openly taking drugs and getting hammered on booze. A bunch of us were downstairs shooting the shit then all of a sudden we heard this huge CRASH. We all ran to the sound of the noise, and what we saw was Matt Hardy laying in a pile of glass like he was one of those untrained death match guys. Matt Hardy was so fucked up on drugs and booze that he fell through a glass coffee table. While cut up and bloody, he was ok. Fortunately he suffered no serious damage.
After nearly killing himself and becoming a news story for wrestling sites, the party resumed like nothing happened. That is when I realized Matt's closest friends are his biggest enablers. Instead of taking a step back and saying "Wow, you almost killed yourself, we may have a problem here", I saw Matt's friends giving him more shots and more pills.
My point is that Matt is a great guy but will get no help from his friends. Some of his friends are stooges that don't dare talk back or question Matt. Matt takes care of people and in return expects not to be questioned.
Matt needs tough love. He has a ring rat girlfriend who has told people she is with him for her career. No sane woman would allow themselves to get tazed and beat up by drug addicted men 15 years her senior. She said her name is always mentioned with his and it's a form of advertising. Matt needs to stop tasering women, re-evaluate his life and stop giving us Jeff Hardy updates. The only difference for a long period of time between Jeff & Matt was that Jeff's problems became public.j Brother Jeff is just as open and cool as Matt, but together, they are destructive together.
I am writing this in the hopes that if people really consider themselves a friend of Hardy, and many will tell you they are here, then please talk to Matt and get him help. We don't need another obituary. IT WILL BE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CAN HELP HIM NOW THAT WILL BE WRITING TEAR JERKING CONDOLENCES AND POSTING THEIR CROCODILE TEARS USING MATT HARDY'S DEATH AS A WAY OF ADVANCING THEIR OWN CAREERS.
Matt Hardy needs to put the twitter down, the youtube down and really needs his friends to stand up for him. All this enabling will lead Matt to an early grave but tough love could be the turning point for this well-hearted person.
Get well Matt, I pray for you.
-Just a no name indy wrestler.
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My brother was coming down from speed (meth) while driving and hit two school buses on separate occasions within the same hour...
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Major LOL at Del Rio's title reign being less than a month. He'll be busted down to the mid-card and jobbing to the real main eventers by the time the new years rolls around. :tup :tup
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Major LOL at Del Rio's title reign being less than a month. He'll be busted down to the mid-card and jobbing to the real main eventers by the time the new years rolls around. :tup :tup
Except, he'll win the title in the Hell in a Cell PPV.
Count on it.
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And I was right.
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Oy. I really thought they had something good with Punk there for a while, but with this Del Rio nonsense and HHH putting himself front and center in the middle of the biggest storyline going, they are about to lose me again. I am already watching a lot less now with MNF always the priority over freaking wrestling, but if this crap continues, I won't bother watching anymore in the winter once football ends.
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Once AGAIN HHH managed to bury Punk when he didnt need to, and as of monday he turned everyone on the roster heel.
Fucking HHH he is a Bury/AMIGOINGOVER machine.
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Well, there's apparently a big push coming for Punk where he will take the title from Del Rio and run with it for the rest of the year. So I'm guessing after the WWE comes back from the Mexico tour, this push will begin.
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The Scott Hall story:
https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904&categoryid=2378529
It's about 18 minutes. And not easy to watch at times.
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I was just coming in to post about it, having just watched it.
About that producer that shoved him out there, yeah that was a very asshole, dick move, but I think it should've worked as a catalyst to get better, a wake up call. It's sad to see someone as great as he was turn into this.
A real life Randy "The Ram" Robinson for sure.
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About that producer that shoved him out there, yeah that was a very asshole, dick move,
I disagree. The promoter was in a tough spot. Hall had demanded his money up front, and if he doesn't have Hall go out there, he has to give everyone a refund and takes a major loss on the night. That is on Hall, not the promoter. Sean Waltman getting pissed about that was funny, as he was known for screwing over promoters in the past. I read a story once where he demanded his money up front from the promoter, and then no-showed the event, so he could take off with a drug dealer and get hammered that night.
Also, I read that the reunion between Hall and his son is already over. It lasted less than a month, they are no longer on speaking terms again, and the son has given up the idea of becoming a wrestler.
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Well, I meant in a human, "holy-shit-you're-so-high" way, business-wise I understand completely why he did it.
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WWE unmasks Incognito and now they give him a stereotypical Mexican cholo character?!?! :facepalm:
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Does Tony Atlas have the best laugh ever or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL5BYH_INlc
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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The Scott Hall story:
https://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904&categoryid=2378529
It's about 18 minutes. And not easy to watch at times.
Razor Ramon/ Scott Hall was one of my favorite wrestlers growing up. Its really a shame. Very cool documentary though.
For anyone interested, here is perhaps my favorite shoot on the internet, with Nash and Hall. They talk about the beginning of their careers, their time in the WWF, the birth of the NWO and just some really funny road stories. Its really cool.
https://www.justin.tv/frankyknuklz/b/278341055
Its 2 hours, but I promise its worth watching.
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I'm shocked that we're the day before a PPV and Cena isn't booked in any match.
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Anyone else not feeling the new mask on Kane? It looks cool and all but it is missing some black on there IMO. Hopefully he turns into the monster again.
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Anyone else not feeling the new mask on Kane? It looks cool and all but it is missing some black on there IMO. Hopefully he turns into the monster again.
Yeah, I'm definitely not feeling it. Something about it, is just off... and the outfit leaves a lot to be desired, IMO.
I remember the night they took the mask off and he had of that black paint/tar all over his face. I died a little that night, since I used to love Kane back in the day, but they really took away a lot of the mystique by showing his face.
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Agreed, to me they destroyed his character when they made him take his mask off!
Also, I'm very happy that Cena isn't book on anything and hope it stays that way!
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No Cena? When was the last time that happened?!?
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Also, I'm very happy that Cena isn't book on anything and hope it stays that way!
I'm pretty ambivalent about him not being on the card (I think he gets too much hate from the internet cool kid fans), but it's shocking that essentially the face of your company is a healthy scratch from a PPV.
Congratulations to Daniel Bryan and Zach Ryder for winning titles tonight :metal
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Did anyone see the Triple H/Nash match? How much did Triple H had to carry Nash?
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Did anyone see the Triple H/Nash match? How much did Triple H had to carry Nash?
Didn't see it, but the live report I skimmed just said it wasn't a bad match all things considered.
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Arguably the best PPV of the year for me.
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Granted, I only was able to catch the last match of the PPV... but pretty hard to top the MITB PPV.
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Granted, I only was able to catch the last match of the PPV... but pretty hard to top the MITB PPV.
I'd say they're both even for me. Good couple of moments in the last match especially. Ricardo and the ladder for one. How quick were the refs in there when they saw him miss his landing? :lol
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The WWE fucked up BIG TIME with Bryan.
Bryan vs Henry @WMania could have been an instant classic, the underdog with FIGHTING SPIRITUUU~ VS the big, dominant, unstoppable Champion. Having promos with Bryan getting ready for WM and what not, He could have even lost and still look like a million bucks.
Instead we got Henry vs WELLLL IS THE BIG SHOOOOOW like what? 3 or 4 times? Making Henry look like a bitch, making Bryan look like a bitch and Making Big Show the one to stop Henry... YES. The fuckin' Big Show, NO not Sheamus, Not Kane not even Randy Boreton, BIG SHOW. just to take the tittle away from him under 10 minutes.
Bryan could have cashed in on Henry, Henry didn't need to lose to the fucking Big Show he had the best heel tittle reign in YEARS. and after this RAW nothing they did at TLC with the WHC match makes any sense.
/Rant
Anyways I'm happy for Bryan but everything could have been so much better.
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This is the time, between Survivor Series and Royal Rumble, where McMahon tries out new main eventers, remember? Foley in '99, Jericho in '01, Evolution in '03, Edge in '06, Sheamus in '09 and Miz in '10.
It also means, he would probably have a short title run, as most of those guys did...
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Yes I know, and thats even worse.
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Looking forward to seeing who those weird promo videos are for on Monday...
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From what I've read, everything's pointing to being Jericho.
Wouldn't mind seeing him back and thrust into a feud with Punk.
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Yeah, word on the street is Jericho (though he's vehemently denying it on Twitter, which I guess one would expect him to do). A Jericho Punk feud culminating at 'Mania would be epic. Can't think of two guys in the company today who are as complete a package as far as in-ring and mic skills go
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There's a picture running around today of Jericho in the Memphis airport... where Raw is going to be from tonight.
As Bart Scott would say, CAN'T WAIT!
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Jericho had the crowd in the palm of his hands. He is a modern day Piper to me. Absolutely gold.
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Yeah, I thought it was genius what he did! He came back, got the big babyface pop and turned heel WITHOUT SAYING A WORD!!!
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Exactly at first I was like :lol, but then :|...
...I love that man.
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(https://i44.tinypic.com/208fjg8.jpg)
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:rollin :rollin
Where did you find this?!
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THAT SITE THAT MUST NOT BE NAMED.
edit: also is from a video on WWE.COM they asked him about the Rumble... and that was his answer :lol
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Got it.
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Anybody familiar with Ring of Honor at all. There's a show coming to near my city and I'm considering going.
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Jericho came back? Love that guy.
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Anybody familiar with Ring of Honor at all. There's a show coming to near my city and I'm considering going.
Apparently it used to be the shit, but I've caught some of their recent TV broadcasts and I wasn't impressed.
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Anybody familiar with Ring of Honor at all. There's a show coming to near my city and I'm considering going.
ROH was the best from on wrestling around for a while they had: CM Punk, Samoa Joe, Cristopher Daniels, Bryan Danielson(AKA Daniel Bryan), Chris Hero, Claudio Castagnoli, KENTA and many others. It was just wrestling with awesome spots and what not.
Now the world champion and the challenger are horrible, both of them are generic and try to emulate a little to much the Japanese Style of wrestling, and they suck major cock at it. but other than that they still have a pretty awesome roster and matches so if its not that expensive I'd say go for it you may have a blast, especially if this man is on the card:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmK1i2JCIGI
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Brodus Clay ftw :lol
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Brodus Clay ftw :lol
Absolutely lost it when he came out...its an updated version of the Godfather
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But with less rhythm and more awkward dancing.
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But with less rhythm and more awkward dancing.
I wasn't watching him I was watching the girls
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So I just finished watching the Greatest Rivalries (Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels) DVD and I have to say, it was pretty sweet.
My only complaint is that they kind of danced around some of the more heated portions of their past conflicts. I was hoping to hear some really juicy details, but regardless I still enjoyed it very much.
Definitely two of my favorite wrestlers growing up.
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So can someone tell me why it's called Summer of Punk? It's been years since I've watched and it just sounds like a funny name.
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So can someone tell me why it's called Summer of Punk? It's been years since I've watched and it just sounds like a funny name.
Because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OS9wZGb_3g
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So can someone tell me why it's called Summer of Punk? It's been years since I've watched and it just sounds like a funny name.
Because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OS9wZGb_3g
Was that a worked shoot, or was that legitimate?
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So can someone tell me why it's called Summer of Punk? It's been years since I've watched and it just sounds like a funny name.
Because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OS9wZGb_3g
That was pretty funny.
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So can someone tell me why it's called Summer of Punk? It's been years since I've watched and it just sounds like a funny name.
Because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OS9wZGb_3g
Was that a worked shoot, or was that legitimate?
It was worked, but it was so beautifully done!
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Royal Rumble tonight! Favourite wrestling event of the year and my 12th anniversary of wrestling!
Who do you have? I have Orton down as the winner and a few surprises from Road Dogg and I think Undertaker will return but eliminated by Jericho leading to WM28 - Taker/Jericho. I think the Rocks music may hit and distract Cena at some point.
Cena v Ziggler for the belt? Hmmm, I think Johnny Ace will screw Punk, Triple H will evaluate Johnnys performance and say its great, thus turning heel and facing Punk and Mania.
I also expect the Funkasaurus to dominate and dance at the Rumble!
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Jericho or HHH(GOD I HOPE NOT) are gonna win.
But anyways I love me some ROYAL RUMBLE :metal :metal :metal
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I think Orton will take the Rumble match. As for Punk's match, he's definitely gonna get screwed by Laryngitis. As for Taker, he NEEDS to come back tonight to try and build something to Wrestlemania. I really can't see Taker/Jericho, but it's a great idea.
My thought is that "she" is Stephanie & that Jericho will eventually rat her out as being behind all of the texts involving Laryngitis. I also have a feeling he's gonna get fired (I hope from everything) on Monday--the brass can't stand him, but he was Vince's "Yes" man for so long it's going to be hard to get rid of him entirely. I hope they do though--Johnny Ace is a supreme douchebag.
Ugh, "Funkasaurus"... :tdwn We waited HOW long for that shit? Brodus should go back to being a heel.
Oh, and speaking of heels--they should really do something more with Wade Barrett. Like put a belt on him, at least.
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Royal Rumble (the match) was pretty meh. My favorite surprise was Road Dogg, I nostalgia'd all over the place. And I really thought Jericho was gonna win to start the Punk feud, but we still got the start of it on Raw.
Dolph Ziggler continues to proves that no one can make a bump look better than him, he's become one of my favorite wrestlers to watch.
'Taker returning was predictable, but still nice.
If by the end of this year, Wade Barrett and Dolph haven't gotten a WWE/World Heavyweight run, they should quit the company.
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Disappointed to see that it looks like WWE are going down the Taker/HHH route. Been there done that X2.
I would've made Taker return as a surprise Rumble entrant. Would add so much more to the PPV and him being eliminated by a young star would've give them such a launch.
I love Takers wig by the way.
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Ziggler has gotten good, but he needs to ditch Vickie to be taken seriously as a main event heel, IMO. For one, she draws more heat than him, which is not the way it should be, and for two, he doesn't need anyone to ride his coattails.
HHH forcing himself into another big WM match. Shocking. The way he buried Punk last fall just shows what an ego the guy has and what an asshole he really is. "Yes, Punk, you are the hottest thing going right now, but I am gonna horn in on the feud with Kevin Nash, bury you in a match, and then I'll finish off Nash." Notice that Punk never got to get any revenge on Nash for costing him the title at the end of SummerSlam. And Nash is one of HHH's best buddies. Par for the course.
Also, does anyone even care about Cena/Rock anymore?
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Also, does anyone even care about Cena/Rock anymore?
No shit... how do you hype a match for an entire year. Most confusing thing I ever saw the WWE do. I hardly follow it anymore, but when I saw this I was like :whatthe:
Love The Rock, but there's just no story anymore for them - the heat they had between them 12 months ago is long gone.
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What, Kevin Nash is back in action? What else did I miss, Steve Austin and Scot Hall too? xD Man, wrestling was so much fun in the mid 90s-early 00s.
I do catch it from time to time on tv and none of the new guys do anything for me.
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What, Kevin Nash is back in action? What else did I miss, Steve Austin and Scot Hall too? xD Man, wrestling was so much fun in the mid 90s-early 00s.
I do catch it from time to time on tv and none of the new guys do anything for me.
Its so true. I miss being obsessed with Wrestling.
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Yeah, the attitude and toothless aggression era's were top notch. I chalk it up to competition. Vince had to strive to continuously improve the product to go against Nitro. Once they bought WCW, the effort went to shit. They had a glut of talent, and no viable reason to strive for excellence. It was ok for a couple of years after the "merger", but has honestly sucked since about 03/04. Around the same time that some key marquee talent started to bolt - namely The Rock and Austin.
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The problem is that their best two guys right now are Orton and Punk, both of whom are much better as heels, but are both so popular that they had no choice but to turn them both full-fledged face. I miss the days when a top heel was someone who could also win matches against top faces without necessarily cheating every time, like Flair in his heyday or Vader in the early 90s. The last time Orton and Punk were heels, while both had world title runs, they both looked really weak most of the time - Punk lost like every feud he had following the Jeff Hardy thing till he turned last summer, and Orton was constantly looking bad against everyone from HHH to Batista to even Flair (whom he got his ass kicked by in a non-sanctioned right until DiBiase and Rhodes made the save). That is not the way to build up a top heel.
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What irks about the Cena/Rock match is that WWE keeps billing it "the biggest match in the history of WM" and that is pure bullshit! Any of the three Rock/Austin matches, the HBK/Hitman Iron Man Match, HBK/'Taker 1 or Rock/Hogan were much bigger matches!
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What irks about the Cena/Rock match is that WWE keeps billing it "the biggest match in the history of WM" and that is pure bullshit! Any of the three Rock/Austin matches, the HBK/Hitman Iron Man Match, HBK/'Taker 1 or Rock/Hogan were much bigger matches!
Yeah but we aren't supposed to remember those matches. Just like we aren't supposed to remember when Undertaker cut his hair and rode around the ring on a motorcycle.
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And came out to Limp Bizkit, don't forget about Limp Bizkit!
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What irks about the Cena/Rock match is that WWE keeps billing it "the biggest match in the history of WM" and that is pure bullshit! Any of the three Rock/Austin matches, the HBK/Hitman Iron Man Match, HBK/'Taker 1 or Rock/Hogan were much bigger matches!
Agreed... even Lesnar/Angle was a bigger WM match (that was a brilliant match). Look the reality is they ALWAYS say it ... UFC too ("This is the GREATEST <insert weight class here> championship bout in UFC history").
Puh-leeeez.
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But with the UFC it's a little believable, since the sport is still rather young and better, more well-rounded fighters keep emerging.
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So is Taker gonna lose this time around? It's a possibility, definitely more likely than it was last year.
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I'm going to put my money on him having 20-0 and then retiring in a spectacular way, followed by very near instant Hall of Fame induction. The man's more than earned his retirement.
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Having him lose at WM would be awful and kinda ruin the whole point of his run so far. My bet is on him retiring after that too.
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I really don't want to see Taker v HHH again. I mean Triple H was my favourite when I was a kid but I am also a huge Taker fan, but I can honestly see Triple H wanting to put himself over the Undertaker at Mania.
I don't think it will happen, but I bet it will be discussed, especially if HBK is involved. Eitherway, I think this is Takers last WM, and what a career.
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'Taker cannot lose at WM! It would destroy his character completely! For a good 6-7 years, his character has been all about "the streak". If anyone deserved to break, it was HBK!
If there's one guy who would try to put himself over like that though, it'd be Triple H, but I hope Vince doesn't let this happened.
And while H and 'Taker put on a good match last year, I would've loved if it was Chris Jericho or some of the young guys (Barrett in particular) trying to end the streak.
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Calling it now: Scott Hall shows up dressed as security and zaps Taker with a taser ending his streak.
:neverusethis:
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Calling it now: Scott Hall shows up dressed as security and zaps Taker with a taser ending his streak.
:neverusethis:
If that happened, then I would start watching RAW again. I'm a huge Scott hall/Razor mark, even though sadly, he has really deteriorated over the years.
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I don't like the idea of Taker's final match being against a newbie. Even if he wins. That wouldn't feel right at all.
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I don't like the idea of Taker's final match being against a newbie. Even if he wins. That wouldn't feel right at all.
Agreed. His final match does need to be against an Epic opponent. unfortunately, HHH is best to fit that bill. Jericho could've too. Having his swan song be against someone like Barrett or Ziegler would feel like a final ppphhh for his career, rather tha a spectacular bang.
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Yeah, HHH is pretty much the only real option here, along with maybe Jericho, but I want my Punk-Jericho feud (that is, assuming WWE is not dumb enough to decide to end the streak).
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Might WWE decide to end the streak? Lots of the really popular guys (Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair) lost their final match. I think it's a good possibility that Taker will lose at Wrestlemania.
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Might WWE decide to end the streak? Lots of the really popular guys (Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair) lost their final match. I think it's a good possibility that Taker will lose at Wrestlemania.
The Streak is different though, that's Taker's legacy. Besides, none of the established guys need the career boost from breaking it, and it's too risky to waste it on a young guy in he event he doesn't pan out or decides to leave the company. I thought the way his last match ended (he wins, but can't leave under his own power) would have been a good way to retire.
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Looks like it's official, theres been a pic circulating with Taker watching a videoclip of the WM27 match.
WELP.
But good new guys, Chris Hero was at FCW looks like he got a contract with the 'E :caffeine:
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Anyone catch R-Truth's bump last night?? somersault over the top rope and Miz seemed to move out of the way, came down on the back of his head WWE is reporting whiplash and a concussion
Isn't it the wrestler on the outsides job to catch the guy coming over the top rope?
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I only saw the end of RAW, but I did see that, and it looked bad. I could tell it was a legit injury the second it happened. Terrible job of catching by Miz, whose job is to protect Truth when he is doing a move like that. When Miz gets buried here shortly and isn't even on the Wrestlemania card, we'll know why.
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Miz will be Brodus Clays first "big" victim, I'm calling it. Imagine if it was Orton he failed to catch, it would be bye bye Miz!
Loved that Undertaker promo video they played after Triple H.
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I thought it was more of a tailbone thing, but yeah ... caught it right away that Miz dropped the ball (or the Truth).
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Any videos of this yet?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Kgk33NSnQ&feature=player_embedded
The slo-mo replay shows how much Miz screwed it up. He was lined up to catch him and moved out of the way at the last second, letting Truth crash to the floor without giving him any help. Supposedly, he got chewed out backstage for it.
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Fucking ouch.
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What a moron.
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Guys!
Two former ROH champs are going to WM28 as WHC and WWE champ.
:metal :metal :metal
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Guys!
Two former ROH champs are going to WM28 as WHC and WWE champ.
:metal :metal :metal
Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan... bumped to a dark match last year, co-headlining Wrestlemania this year :hat
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By co-headlining, I assume you mean be in the 4th most important match at best, right? ;)
Because no way does Sheamus/Bryan get billing over Cena/Rock, the Undertaker's latest streak match and the WWE title match.
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I haven't really followed WWE or heard anything about Sheamus since his feud with Cena...people like that guy?
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By co-headlining, I assume you mean be in the 4th most important match at best, right? ;)
Because no way does Sheamus/Bryan get billing over Cena/Rock, the Undertaker's latest streak match and the WWE title match.
You're probably right, but I consider a match for one of the main two titles in the company co-headlining, regardless of what special non-title matches they have booked.
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I haven't really followed WWE or heard anything about Sheamus since his feud with Cena...people like that guy?
He's buddies with HHH, so expect him to get pushed like mad for a long time.
I consider a match for one of the main two titles in the company co-headlining, regardless of what special non-title matches they have booked.
Well, sure, but the world title match was the WM opener last year, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the opener again this year.
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That PPV was very sloppy overall.
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Loved Kofi's tornado DDT from off the cage, and it was crazy how hot the crowd was for Santino.
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It was nice to see Jericho use the Liontamer, hadn't seen it since he left WCW.
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He's busted it out sparingly in WWE, very rarely in a big match with a more limber opponent. It's a shame too, the old school Liontamer is awesome.
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What are you guys smokin'? The Walls Of Jericho was The Liontamer.
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What are you guys smokin'? The Walls Of Jericho was The Liontamer.
That's what I always thought.
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He's busted it out sparingly in WWE, very rarely in a big match with a more limber opponent. It's a shame too, the old school Liontamer is awesome.
Fuck yeah!! I was marking so hard when he put Kofi in it!!
And Zook, no. The Liontamer and Walls of Jericho are different variations on the same hold.
The Walls of Jericho is a, sometimes, elevated Boston crab lock, more regularly a normal Boston Crab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J4Bk9_iI5g
The Liontamer is an elevated Boston Crab with a knee press to the back or head of the opponent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD7vJhRPwNM
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no u
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Some thoughts from Raw:
Triple H/'Taker in HiaC, right, because we've never seen that...
Good promo by Cena, very good promo.
A damn shame that Wade Barrett got injured, if it was indeed legitimate, I really enjoy watching him.
Yay! Jericho/Punk!
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Nice work by that big dunce Big Show, overthrowing Ziggler too much, resulting in a legit injury to Wade Barrett:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqahGlI79M
Also, Undertaker/Helmsley again...YAWN.
Thank goodness CM Punk is still awesome. He is the only real reason I still watch sometimes.
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Ziggler, supposedly, got hurt in that spot also and yet, he sold the shit out of it! :lol
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HIAC takes away from Triple H v Taker IMO. HIAC should also NEVER be at Mania, even Bossmann v Taker was wrong.
The promo was good, however, It was spoiled for one reason. WHAT!? If there is one thing that I really dislike Stone Cold for is that. Every decent promo is destroyed by imbecilic fans shouting WHAT!?...let them speak and tell the story!
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Wrestlers can work around it, though. For example, Jericho never lets the fans get into "WHAT?!-mode", others embrace it as Angle did back in the day.
But I did find it to be a lack of respect to WHAT?! Undertaker.
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He should have busted this line out again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyKPySrEdK0
And yeah, the fact that that crowd was "WHAT"ing him last night just shows how dumb the average wrestling fan is. Sad, but true.
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'Taker shouldn't have cut such a long winded and boring promo if he didn't want to get "WHAT"'d :lol
anybody else see Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk tonight? These guys should be made to close every PPV with a 60 minute Iron Man match :hat
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I can't wait for this years Wrestlemania.
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anybody else see Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk tonight? These guys should be made to close every PPV with a 60 minute Iron Man match :hat
Indeed! Their second fantastic match in a month!
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"And SCREW your stupid lite brite jacket"
I LOL'd
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Great promos to open Raw, and Punk/Brian is always a good match. This has gotta be the best first half hour Raw has had in a while
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This is the first RAW I have watched since 2003. So far so good. :tup
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This is the first RAW I have watched since 2003. So far so good. :tup
you picked a good week to tune in, best Raw we've had in a while.
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CM Punk :metal
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The Rock showing Cena how it's done #Cenasmissingballs.
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Ha! Cena schooled The Rock
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Cena pointing out the notes on Rock's wrist was a bit of an "oh snap!" moment
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Nice to see that Eddie and Orlando Colón (Primo & Epico) didn't lose the titles! PR represent! :lol
Two Liontamers in 2 weeks?!?! Is this heaven???
I'm really liking Cody's character and his "Embarrassing Big Show WM moment" thing he has going on.
Rock, as always, has the crowd on the palm of his hand when doing a promo. I could watch Jericho and Rock on the mic all night! #CenasMissingBalls
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Cena pointing out the notes on Rock's wrist was a bit of an "oh snap!" moment
Yeah, I noticed that early in the promo and was wondering if it was a new tattoo, or notes. Anyone else notice how Dwayne referred to himself as "I" way more than ever? He was out of character most of the promo, and seemed a little flustered after Cena came out - which if it wasn't a shoot, sure as hell seemed like it.
Just like HBK/Hitman back in the 90s, I wonder if these two genuinely dislike each other, or if it's all hype to promote the show.
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Hey guys and gals,
I don't mean to derail this thread from the discussions of the current state of WWE. I haven't watched wrestling for some time (since 94). But, I thought some of you would enjoy this nonetheless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4LajSyRojE
The Ultimate Warrior is still a psychopath and inspiring others to be mini psychopaths. No, but really, it's a funny, and to some, inspiring video. He's launching his own reality show where he takes bands with drug/alcohol abuse problems and tries to instill a little bit of reality to their destructive ways. Anyway, if you're offended by profanity, this probably isn't for you. I find it entertaining and I think you guys will enjoy.
-Tof
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Just like HBK/Hitman back in the 90s, I wonder if these two genuinely dislike each other, or if it's all hype to promote the show.
It's all part of the work. The WWE is trying like hell to get fans to cheer for Cena again, as they are terrified that he will get booed like mad at Wrestlemania, but they are oblivious to the fact that fans simply do not like John Cena anymore. They can have him bury Eve, call The Rock out for having promo notes written on his wrist or do almost anything, but nothing will get the Miami crowd to cheer for him over The Rock. Honestly, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if the WWE doesn't pipe in cheers for Cena and boos for The Rock come Wrestlemania so it appears to TV viewers that the crowd is split over whom to root for.
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Kinda like Rock/Hogan in Toronto 10 years ago... they should just run with it, let Rock be the face and make Cena a heel.
Wouldn't surprise me if some of the cheer's for Cena last night were piped in. The pop for The Rock was unreal for that entire segment, and it's hard to imagine there were really that many people cheering for Cena when he came out at the end of the show (it sounded like a 50/50 split).
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I thought Cena was lame from the get go.
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They don't really have to make Cena a heel, though, there's no way he WON'T be boo in Rock's hometown of Miami. Plus, he's already boo mercilessly because as Kev said, people do not like him! The older fans and those who grew up during the Attitude Era (like me) will continuously boo him, to me he represents all that's wrong with the WWE today.
I would like for WWE to make him a heel just because it would be refreshing.
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They don't really have to make Cena a heel, though, there's no way he WON'T be boo in Rock's hometown of Miami. Plus, he's already boo mercilessly because as Kev said, people do not like him! The older fans and those who grew up during the Attitude Era (like me) will continuously boo him, to me he represents all that's wrong with the WWE today.
I would like for WWE to make him a heel just because it would be refreshing.
Amen to that.
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He was a better heel. Remember when he ripped on John Ritter like a week after he died? It's time for him to go heel. Even Rocky knew when his time as a face was worn out.
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I thought that promo was pretty weak to be honest. I do agree that Cena should go heel again, like when he was the goofy jersey wearing rapper gimmick, only minus the rapper.
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I think Cena could make an alright heel. His current schtick was tired before it started.
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I thought that promo was pretty weak to be honest. I do agree that Cena should go heel again, like when he was the goofy jersey wearing rapper gimmick, only minus the rapper.
Agreed, that promo itself was nothing memorable - proof is that I don't remember anything else from it. Just pointing out that he got some major heat from it, and he could deliver promos the fans would hate him for. That was back before he was given any major push on the mic.
Bottom line is his face persona is old and tired as the 'goon said. When "hustle" is one of your key words, that's lame.
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He was a better heel. Remember when he ripped on John Ritter like a week after he died? It's time for him to go heel. Even Rocky knew when his time as a face was worn out.
I think Cena probably knows it's time, but Vince still makes too much money off of him with merchandise to all of the kids, and there ain't no way they are turning him before this whole thing with The Rock plays out. The funny thing is how badly Vince miscalculated this. He probably thought there was no way that Cena would get booed this badly while still a face, but here we are. He even got booed like mad last year in Boston (basically his home town).
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Wow. I'm really out of touch with the WWE. It's been a couple years since I've sat down to watch anything.
I do have one question though... WHEN THE SHIT DID THE ROCK COME BACK!?!
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Around this time last year.
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The rise of CM Punk might be the thing that makes a Cena heel turn possible, as it seems like Punk has really strong merch sales.
Also, if you think The Rock got the better end of the verbal exchange Monday night, then I don't know what show you were watching :lol
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Also, if you think The Rock got the better end of the verbal exchange Monday night, then I don't know what show you were watching :lol
No, I don't. Like I said, he seemed VERY flustered after Cena walked out. Cena's schpeil was very simple, honest and effective. He made it seem like a total shoot, where Rock's was hard to tell what was a shoot vs worked.
Despite that, Rock still cuts better promo's, and is still more entertaining.
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I'd obviously agree that the Rock in general is better at it, he's one of the best guys with a mic the WWE has ever seen. He just didn't bring it Monday night, I almost facepalmed at "Kung Pao bitch". Also, I hate that he's as obsessed with getting stuff to trend on Twitter as WWE is. The whole buildup since last year for this has been pretty weak.
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I'd obviously agree that the Rock in general is better at it, he's one of the best guys with a mic the WWE has ever seen. He just didn't bring it Monday night, I almost facepalmed at "Kung Pao bitch". Also, I hate that he's as obsessed with getting stuff to trend on Twitter as WWE is. The whole buildup since last year for this has been pretty weak.
This is all part of the work, why else would Cena face the Rock at Wrestlemania other than to get Cena more over/at least respected by the people who dislike him? Rock's been doing a lot of acting since he's worked at the WWE or cut a promo, he wouldn't actually need to write notes on his arm noticeably. If it was simply just to show everyone how great The Rock is then he could very easily just wipe the floor with Cena, take his pay then go back to crappy movies. But it isn't about that, it's about having a strong build up to Wrestlemania's main event which needs to be an even battle where you don't know who's going to win.
Otherwise it would be the most elaborate and time consuming promotion for GI Joe 2 :lol
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Yeah, I also think the whole "notes on the wrist of Rock" is a worked. Though Cena just glossing over it and not emphasizing it more was a wasted opportunity to get some heat off of himself.
I was reading this Wrestling Wrap Up IGN does weekly and I completely agree with these two paragraphs:
The Rock, still mega-over with the crowd, even said last night that while Cena was fighting for the guys in the back (which still seems bizarre to me) he was fighting for the people. And, well, the "people" really seemed to like hearing The Rock say that. The Rock actually *deep, shivering breath* gave us credit for being intelligent. And said that it was never anyone's expectation that he would be back full time. And that we all knew what the hell he was doing when he wasn't showing up to RAW. Because we did. And we do. And he emphasized "being entertaining." And so all the stuff Cena was saying about The Rock caring too much about saying silly things like "Kung Pao Pow Bitch" didn't really hold that much weight because The Rock had just spent ten minutes explaining that the crowd stopped loving Cena because he stopped entertaining them. He stopped innovating. He stopped coming up with new things. Something that The Rock never stopped doing.
Many say that the last time Cena was actually entertaining was when he was doing his "Thuganomics" free-styling and he was coming up with new s*** each and every week. But then that got taken away from him. This actually also bleeds into a nice contrast between the stars of the "Attitude Era" and the stars of the '80s. You've got the good guys who never changed and just ran through long-form feuds with heels and weren't clever vs. the ones who worked hard each week to top themselves in the ring and on the mic. The WWE turned Cena into a throwback of the Hogan-era, and while that might work for kids, it was never going to win over the older male fans who had just been through the revolutionary '90s.
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I used to read the IGN wrapups but I thought they stopped doing them for some reason. Not seen them in the news feeds in months and months :P
And yeah, that hits the nail on the head on my feelings about Cena's persona. In fact the same can be said about Randy Orton. There's no denying their abilities and talent but since they've stopped progressing or doing more to push their character's boundaries they've just become dull and repetitive. They were both far more entertaining when they were allowed to be a bit of a dick some times, Orton in particular. Cena hasn't changed in about 6 years now, and it's got to the point where I either fast forward or go make a sandwich when anything with Cena is on (unless Ryder was involved, but that's mostly because Ryder was the entertaining one). Hopefully that's what this build up and feud is for, so Cena can actually develop for a change and be entertaining to watch.
It was great when they started to develop Orton more when Wade Barrett got more of a push but thanks to both of their injuries (or well hidden wellness policy violations depending on whether you believe that :tup ) that's on hold until they can compete again. The Barrett/Orton feud is one that had the big potential to let Orton be as intense as we know he can be whilst allowing Barrett to come through the ranks, and also getting some great matches out of it.
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Yeah, when Randy was on his "Legend Killer" gimmick he was awesome!! And fuck yes! A Barrett/Orton feud would be great for those reasons!
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The teary eyed "all by myself" Cena promo came off as really lame.
Rock throwing the Cena merch in harbor had me laughing a little bit. It reminded me of when Ausin was throwing Rock's stuff off the bridge and tossed the IC Belt. Of course Austin made it way more interesting but still.
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The teary eyed "all by myself" Cena promo came off as really lame.
Yes it did. However, once Rock came in the ring with Cena, he still seemed like a fool.
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Maybe it's cause I am not a Rock fan, nor do I have a huge interest in the match, but I thought Cena has had the 1up on Rock the past couple of weeks.
Shawn Michaels refereeing the HIAC match wasn't a surprise, didn't really add much to the match cause it's already the one I want to see.
Great moment seeing Santino win!
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Confirmed Wrestlemania 28 card so far:
TWITTERTWITTERTWITTERTWITTER
Cena vs The Rock
WWE Championship Match
CM Punk(c) vs Jericho
World Heavyweight Championship Match
Daniel "Bryan Danielson" Bryan(c) vs Sheamus
Hell In A Cell Match for the Undertaker Streak
HHH vs DAH UNDERTAKAH with HBK as Special guest referee
Intercontinental Title Match
Cody Rhodes(c) vs Big Show
Some Matches that are likely going to happen
Some kind of Teddy long team vs Ace team for the General managerism of blahblahbaa
Kane vs Orton
And Some divas Match
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This Wrestlemania is Looking REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
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There's also apparently a stipulation due to be announced for the Rhodes/Show match. And it's a serious shame that Wade Barrett got injured as badly as that because I think Wrestlemania would've been his big push to some titles. And also a shame that the Money In The Bank match that was planned for Wrestlemania got ditched in favour of it being a separate PPV.
I'm seriously hoping that any Divas match that they add involves real wrestling and not just Kelly Kelly and all the other dancers disguised as wrestlers. Beth Phoenix vs Kharma would be great, but if not anything with either of those two with Natalya, Eve or Tamina would be acceptable.
I'm just waiting for them to announce something like Snooki being in a match. They can't have a completely un-embarrassing card now can they?
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I've been thinking for a few weeks that Ziggler has a Billy Gunn look going, and last night he went full Bad Ass! Even using the Fameasser as the finish! :lol
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I'm so happy my book just arrived. :D
(https://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x459/phoenix87x/DSC00370.jpg)
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I have that book. Mine's signed.
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What? I've never had the chance to brag about that before.
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I have that book. Mine's signed.
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What? I've never had the chance to brag about that before.
Was it good? I'm gonna start reading tonight.
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I loved it. Not something I'd recommend to anyone who wasn't already a fan of wrestling, of course. But for wrestling fans? Yeah, it's awesome.
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One of the things I've been into recently is shoot interviews, mostly Jim Cornettes. I bought a few of his Kayfabe Commentary DVDs (Guest Booker - Invasion Angle and the first shoot DVD). I recommend them for fans who are into that side of the business.
Back to WrestleMania, still not too fussed for it. I still want Cena to beat the Rock, although it won't happen. I'm also starting to get a bit fed up of seeing Shawn Michaels on the TV as well for some reasons.
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One of the things I've been into recently is shoot interviews, mostly Jim Cornettes. I bought a few of his Kayfabe Commentary DVDs (Guest Booker - Invasion Angle and the first shoot DVD). I recommend them for fans who are into that side of the business.
Back to WrestleMania, still not too fussed for it. I still want Cena to beat the Rock, although it won't happen. I'm also starting to get a bit fed up of seeing Shawn Michaels on the TV as well for some reasons.
I Love shoot interviews especially Cornette. The story behind the scenes is just as interesting if not more interesting than the story in the ring.
If you like shoots then check this one out with Nash and Hall. They talk about early 90's wwf and the formation of NWO. Its awesome.
https://www.justin.tv/frankyknuklz/b/278341055
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So a friend of mine is buying the PPV and letting me come over. This'll be the first PPV I've experienced, ever. And probably the last, seeing as Taker is probably gone after this WM.
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Back to WrestleMania, still not too fussed for it. I still want Cena to beat the Rock, although it won't happen.
Actually, I'd be surprise if the Rock wins, he isn't on WWE full time so he really doesn't need the win.
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Would WWE want to risk there being a riot in Miami if the home boy loses?
Also, I don't believe this is Takers last 'Mania. I think WM30 will be his last. Possibly v. Cena.
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Unless there are plans for future Cena/Rock matches, Cena is gonna win. Having The Rock come back and bury their top guy of the post-Attitude Era would make the current roster look bad. Not gonna happen. And Rock has shown in the past that he has no problem putting people over. Rock is gonna lose.
The worry for the WWE is that Cena is still getting booed so much. Reports were out weeks back that they were trying like hell to get people to cheer for Cena again, as they want a 50/50 reaction at WM, but good luck with that. The storyline with Cena burying Eve for being a slut or whatever was a cheap ploy to try and get Cena cheers.
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Would WWE want to risk there being a riot in Miami if the home boy loses?
Hometown guy losing is common practice in WWE. Also, it's Miami, not THAT rabid a fanbase as say: Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, NY.
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If Cena is getting booed anyway, why don't they just turn him heel?
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Exactly. Have the Rock win (give the fans what they want), and then have Cena turn and go ape-shit on him ala Orndorf. He can do just what the Rock did after The Scorpion King... 'Screw you fans for turning on me just for being popular'.
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If Cena is getting booed anyway, why don't they just turn him heel?
Because women and kids still buy his merchandise.
I also think that 'Mania would be a great time to turn Cena. Have the Rock win, and then Cena attacks him from behind and lays him out after the match and cuts a promo about it being bullshit that everyone's cheering for the guy who abandoned them for years and booing the guy who's there night in and night out.
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If Cena is getting booed anyway, why don't they just turn him heel?
Because women and kids still buy his merchandise.
I also think that 'Mania would be a great time to turn Cena. Have the Rock win, and then Cena attacks him from behind and lays him out after the match and cuts a promo about it being bullshit that everyone's cheering for the guy who abandoned them for years and booing the guy who's there night in and night out.
Agreed.
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If Cena is getting booed anyway, why don't they just turn him heel?
Because he's getting booed anyway. Why turn him heel when he's gonna come into WM as a heel anyway?
I'd love for WWE to do it, as it would be a refreshing change to his character, but they won't.
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If Cena is getting booed anyway, why don't they just turn him heel?
Because he's getting booed anyway. Why turn him heel when he's gonna come into WM as a heel anyway?
I'd love for WWE to do it, as it would be a refreshing change to his character, but they won't.
That's the thing, he's not really a heel. Everyone is just bored of him and booing him because they don't want to see the same crap over and over, not because he's a villain.
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Agreed, RobD. Cena is like a walking billboard sometimes. Recently, he came out during his introduction, looked right at the camera, and then talked about how he and The Rock were facing off at Wrestlemania in however many days it was. It was comical, like he has to constantly be the biggest self-promoter in the world.
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I think the worst bit of it is that you can see that he's bored of being WWE John Cena. It's just plain and simple milking merchandise to kids.
Anyway, Daniel Bryan is just getting better and better every week :lol When his music played when AJ won a match and he starts celebrating on the top rope as if he just won a title match, I can't help but crack up.
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Ok so, Wrestlemania 28 is about to be ordered. £14.95 - not bad for 4 hours. How much is it in the US? I heard it was $65
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Ok so, Wrestlemania 28 is about to be ordered. £14.95 - not bad for 4 hours. How much is it in the US? I heard it was $65
Probably $55-$65.
I'm watching it over at a friend's house. I'm actually excited for it! The card, for the most part, looks very, very good!
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I caught the Rock-Cena dialogue last night.
I'm pressuring my wife to get Wrestlemania.
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It does look like a good card. I'm actually contemplating ordering it. Rock/Cena promo last night was kinda boring. God I hope they put the Rock over, and then have Cena do an ape-shit heal turn... claiming even though he rose above the hate, did all the "right" or "good" things, he still couldn't beat The Rock... so fuck it, why even bother trying to be the "good" Cena. He needs a change of character so bad! He's been stuck in limbo (or purgatory, depending on your view) for a long time now.
Probably won't happen though.
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Honestly, I hope they start the show off with Sheamus/Daniel Bryan just because they've done zilch, nada, nothing at all to try to get the fans interested in it.
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It'll probably be the Team Teddy vs Team Johnny match first. I seriously hope Johnny Ace wins that one, he's way more entertaining than Teddy Long and the thought of Teddy being GM of both is pretty unbearable.
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It'll probably be the Team Teddy vs Team Johnny match first. I seriously hope Johnny Ace wins that one, he's way more entertaining than Teddy Long and the thought of Teddy being GM of both is pretty unbearable.
Over all these years, I've never found Teddy long that interesting.
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It's not that he's annoying or anything (although the cringe worthy segments with Aksana are horrible) it's just that he's not interesting to watch. Having Foley be guest GM for that one week gave a shining example of just how dull having Teddy as GM is by comparison. It's predictable.
*Interrupts heel's promo*
"Now hold on player, blah blah blah, your surprise opponent - SHEAMUS!"
Every single goddamn time. Foley even managed to make a Divas match that involved the models-turned-"wrestlers" more than a toilet break for crying out loud. Granted it's probably the writing, but it's also about presentation. And Teddy Long was not made for exciting live TV. Not like Mr Excitement :P
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Arrive. Tag match. Leave.
That pretty much describes Teddy Long's past 7 years or so as GM. I'd much rather see Johnny Ace come out, and fumble his lines for about 10 minutes. Then watch another tag match made by Teddy Long.
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Arrive. Tag match. Leave.
That pretty much describes Teddy Long's past 7 years or so as GM. I'd much rather see Johnny Ace come out, and fumble his lines for about 10 minutes. Then watch another tag match made by Teddy Long.
Change tag match with Sheamus for his last year and a half.
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This is a couple months old, so there's no Sheamus, but it still works :tup
(https://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss196/axeman9182/teddy.jpg)
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^^^^ And that is probably why I haven't watched Smackdown for almost 10 years.
I seriously don't find anything about him threatening or interesting.
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I am a 100% Rock fan. Have been for 13 years. Cena is schooling him in the promos though. Just my opinion
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I think Rock's promos have been funnier, but Cena's the only one who's actually had anything to say.
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A big star is rumoured to be appearing at Wrestlemania 28.
I don't wish to post/ spoil it or say it in case it isn't true, but it is around various wrestling news sites.
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Can't wait for this tommorow; I've seen every Wrestlemania. Always an entertaining show. Interested to see how the Triple H- Taker match plays out. I can't see HHH winning, there would seemingly be some backlash against him behind the scenes if he booked himself to end the streak. I also can't see Rock winning straight up- I'm sure there will be some convoluted mess to end his match. I see CM Punk and Shemus winning the title matches. My early prediction for WM 29 is the one off return match of Steve Austin against the Rock.
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- The story going around Miami is that Brock Lesnar has signed a one-year deal with WWE and will work a "more than Undertaker and less than Goldberg" type of schedule. This report is unconfirmed. Lesnar is in Miami with security and is surrounded by a large group of people shielding him from everyone.
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker WM29 should be interesting.
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More like Botch Lesnar amirite? *crickets*
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More like Botch Lesnar amirite? *crickets*
For his shooting star press against Angle? Man, that was impressive and scary all at the same time.
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Don't forget all the wrestlers he could've killed by botching his finisher.
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Can't wait for this tommorow; I've seen every Wrestlemania. Always an entertaining show. Interested to see how the Triple H- Taker match plays out. I can't see HHH winning, there would seemingly be some backlash against him behind the scenes if he booked himself to end the streak. I also can't see Rock winning straight up- I'm sure there will be some convoluted mess to end his match. I see CM Punk and Shemus winning the title matches. My early prediction for WM 29 is the one off return match of Steve Austin against the Rock.
Austin won't come back to do *another* WM match against the Rock. If/when he comes back (which I think he will), it'll probably be to work a program with CM Punk.
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Feeling excited now for tonight! I "booked" how I'd let Mania play out, or how I think it will play out for a wrestling radio show that I listen to.
1 - Big Show v Cody Rhodes - Big Show wins.
2 - Randy Orton v Kane - Orton wins.
3 - Team Teddy v Team Johnny - Johnny wins. - Miz goes over Booker T - Kofi Kingston does a spot/jumps outside to the other guys.
4 - Daniel Bryan v Sheamus - Sheamus wins via AJ mistake.
5 - Chris Jericho v CM Punk - CM Punk wins after a hard fought match - possibly with the Walls of Jericho to carry the fued
Hall of Fame spot
6 - Undertaker v Triple H - Undertaker wins - Tombstone on a chair, HBK hesitates.
7 - Beth + Eve v Kelly + Menounes - Kelly wins - quick match. Toilet break.
8 - The Rock v John Cena - Cena wins. Takes a couple of AAs, but he wins.
If Lesnar is indeed returning, then I would have him show up after The Rock and Cena. Have his music hit for a few seconds, show up for the pop, and clap and smile at Cena and walk away, leaving us to watch RAW to find out what happens.
Looking forward so much to Mania now, seen the set, it looks amazing. Hope Mania will be awesome too.
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Can't wait for this tommorow; I've seen every Wrestlemania. Always an entertaining show. Interested to see how the Triple H- Taker match plays out. I can't see HHH winning, there would seemingly be some backlash against him behind the scenes if he booked himself to end the streak. I also can't see Rock winning straight up- I'm sure there will be some convoluted mess to end his match. I see CM Punk and Shemus winning the title matches. My early prediction for WM 29 is the one off return match of Steve Austin against the Rock.
Austin won't come back to do *another* WM match against the Rock. If/when he comes back (which I think he will), it'll probably be to work a program with CM Punk.
My feeling as well, we don't need another Austin/Rock WM match. We already have seen 3 great matches between them.
I'm very excited for this WrestleMania!!
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The pre-show tag team title match has started. Have a good one guys, be back tomorrow with my feedback!
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This was an outstanding card. The hell in the cell match was truly an epic masterpiece; this is what wrestling is all about. Rock-Cena and Punk-Jericho were both 4 star matches as well. Highly recommended.
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Pretty lame beginning to the PPV though. I know there was no buildup to Sheamus/Bryan but they deserved more than that.
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I'm not sure what "End of an Era" means. Does it mean that The Undertaker and/or Triple H are retiring or something? Based on Taker's demeanor with hugging the other guys, it very much had the feel of a final match.
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Caught the bulk of WM online when I got home a while ago. Thoughts:
-I am surprised The Rock won, but it should be interesting to see where they take Cena's character now that he has lost a match he said he had to win.
-Punk/Jericho was really good, although the crowd was a bit dead after the sheer length of the previous match.
-That previous match being the HIAC, which was okay, extremely predictable, and pretty much the same as last year, but with Michaels thrown in. Both guys kick out of a million finishers, and the Undertaker finds a way to win again. Rinse, lather, repeat. Boring.
-Sheamus/Daniel Bryan was retarded. What an insult to both guys that their match was booked that way.
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Agree on the HIAC... way too slow a pace. I know they wanted to make it an hour long epic, but it didn't quite feel epic for me - although it did feel like it was an hour long. It was a great match, but feel it could've been better.
There better be a monster heel turn for Cena tonight. Along the lines of "I did everything I could, and still couldn't beat The Rock". That part where Rock did the flying body press, and Cena rolled/stood up/tossed him on his shoulders... holy shit that was impressive!
Very cool for them to bring out JR for the HIAC... end of an era in more ways than one.
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I only saw it from HIAC on, but man that match was SO boring.
Jericho and Punk was an alright match, I really like both of those guys.
Cena put on a good show, which is about all I can ask for from him. I'm glad The Rock won.
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I have to say if after a year of build, and weeks of Cena stridently saying he HAS to beat Rock, if he comes out tonight just doing his usual "gee whiz, ain't nothing wrong" schtick that WWE's stuck him with for years, I'm going to be annoyed. He has to have SOME sort of character development now, he's been stuck in place for what, five years now? Maybe even seven? I don't even need a full heel turn yet, but some change would be nice.
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I'm pissed that I forked the coin over for the PPV. Other than HIAC (which was taken down several notches by HBK's antics during the match) and Jericho/Punk I was NOT impressed at all. There really wasn't anything Wrestlemania caliber about any of the matches, really--IMO, the HIAC match could have been SO legendary if they'd decided to do something like Taker/Mankind had done back in the day. Hell, the HHH/Taker match last year was better than anything on the card this year.
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I'm pissed that I forked the coin over for the PPV. Other than HIAC (which was taken down several notches by HBK's antics during the match) and Jericho/Punk I was NOT impressed at all. There really wasn't anything Wrestlemania caliber about any of the matches, really--IMO, the HIAC match could have been SO legendary if they'd decided to do something like Taker/Mankind had done back in the day. Hell, the HHH/Taker match last year was better than anything on the card this year.
My thoughts exactly.
At some points I felt like I was just watching an above-average Raw. I watched it at my Uncle's house so I didn't have to pay the $70, and if it wasn't available to me, there's no way I would have payed that much for it.
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I have to agree with the sentiments on the HIAC match. Last year's HHH vs Taker match was excellent, I thought, as were both of Taker's matches against HBK. They all followed the same formula, where Taker basically gets the stuffing knocked out of him and surprises the crowd by kicking out at the last minute after a bunch of finishers. With the three previous matches, it actually seemed somewhat likely that Taker would lose, but with this one, it didn't really work that way. Honestly I think a two-on-one match with HHH and HBK vs. Taker would have been a much better match.
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I thought Hell in a Cell was the best match on a disappointing pay per view.
The "once in a lifetime" had a finish leading to a rematch.
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You know, as lackluster as the past few WM have been (in terms of match quality), I'll say this one having 2 very good matches and 1 great one should count as a win.
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Fuck this company for what they did to Bryan.
Seriously it was beyond retarded.
The crowd was fucking PUMPED for that match. Bryan got a bigger face reaction as a HEEL than Sheamus. You could hear the chants and see the signs.
Then it was over.
This shit killed the crowd in a way, they chanted for Bryan's name during the next hour and didn't giver a fuck about the matches.
It killed the mood of the event because it was the FUCKING OPENING MATCH.
It killed Bryan momentum.
It made Sheamus world title win just meaningless. You guys remeber that Sheamus is now a 3times world champion? Me neither.
This is not going to elevate anyone. This is going to go into another meaningless feud and another stupid storyline(Like Christian's last year) wich is fucking retarded, Because they are using FUCKING Wrestlemania to advance an "storyline" IT'S FUCKING WRESTLEMANIA. SHIT IS SUPPOSED TO END AT WRESTLEMANIA. IT IS THE BIGGEST EVENT OF THE YEAR.
This shit made Bryan look like shit.
Made Sheamus look like shit.
Made The Royal Rumble look like shit and meant nothing.
Made the Elimination Chamber matches look like shit and meant nothing.
Made the World Heavyweight Championship look like shit.
Made the Smackdown brand a joke... and look like shit.
If they wanted to stablish both of them as main eventers, and re-stablish the WHC as an actual WORLD TITLE. They should have let them do their thing in the ring, if they made a great match then the tittle win would look important.
But they fucked it up, thhey gave Sheamus and Bryan 18seconds, while Orton vs Kane, Big Show vs Cody and the retarded Divas match got a fucking hour between those 3.
The the HIAC was good, but it was to long. it had some good moments but that was it.
The tag match was fun.
Jericho vs Punk was good but not Wrestlemania tier.
And the Cena vs Rock match as much as it was fun it just didnt deliver.
They did not bring the house down.
I can't believe I paid for this, and from now on I'd never trust this company ever again. And I'm gonna stream everything until they do something good for once.
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Yeah, the real pisser is that Bryan is someone who can actually get down on the mat and wrestle really well (like Punk and Jericho), but they put him in a match with a neanderthal like Sheamus, and then have him squashed in less than 20 seconds. It is basically a middle finger to the fans, but the paying fans will still bend over and take it from Vince. Every single time. Happily, finding a site online last night to watch it for free was easy. And I didn't feel the least bit bad about it. :biggrin:
But they have devalued all of their titles so much over the years, that I wouldn't sweat the WHC losing prestige. That is basically the 2010s version of the Intercontinental title anyway (see: 2nd biggest singles title).
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Yeah, the real pisser is that Bryan is someone who can actually get down on the mat and wrestle really well (like Punk and Jericho), but they put him in a match with a neanderthal like Sheamus, and then have him squashed in less than 20 seconds. It is basically a middle finger to the fans, but the paying fans will still bend over and take it from Vince. Every single time. Happily, finding a site online last night to watch it for free was easy. And I didn't feel the least bit bad about it. :biggrin:
But they have devalued all of their titles so much over the years, that I wouldn't sweat the WHC losing prestige. That is basically the 2010s version of the Intercontinental title anyway (see: 2nd biggest singles title).
Agreed. So glad I didn't shell out $65 for this.
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I completely agree about everything you said about Sheamus/Bryan and it's sickening to read reports today that that was the plan all along!!
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Here's the problem with the Sheamus/Bryan match.
What had been booked all along was not how the fans were reacting.
Let's face it: Bryan was being booked as Honky Tonk Man 2012. The chickenshit, cocky as hell heel who, when faced with a challenger, does whatever it takes, when wrestling doesn't work, to escape with his title. Sheamus beating that guy in 18 seconds was the perfect comeuppance.
Unfortunately, people LIKED Bryan's dickhead, cocky heel act. And as usual, when given a choice between making the crowd happy (and rest assured, they'd have been happy enough with Bryan lost a 15-20 minute long match, for the most part) and Doing What Vince Booked...they did what Vince Booked. And right pissed everyone off. This won't kill Bryan, because he's finally figured out how to be GOOD as a WWE worker as he was on the indies, but it's silly that they did it this way.
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Are they seriously gonna try and pass off A-Train with this lord Tensai gimmick. :lol
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Instantly recognized Prince Albert. Must've had some serious electrolysis.
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Fucking LOL
You see WWE?
You see what happens when you make shit booking like this one?
It backfired, so HARD.
Bryan is getting chants everywhere.
Sheamus got booed in and out of the building.(Lame atempt to mute the crowd with louder music, WWE)
They never listen to the fans but goddamn it feels so good to see so many people backing Daniel Bryan.
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Oh my god!!! Brock F5-ing Cena might be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!!!!
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FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
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Oh, f'n yeah!
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That was a very cool return for Brock!!! Yes, Yes, Yes
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Best RAW in a few years YES! YES! YES!
During the dark main event, the crowd is chanting at everything Daniel Bryan does. The match is all about him despite being a 6man tag. EVERY DBryan offensive kick/punch/anything else crowd chants YES!, EVERY hit against him crowd chants NO!, "Daniel Bryan" at rest spots. Daniel Bryan is smiling, almost like he doesn't even get it himself. Crowd was so upset he tagged out that he got tagged back in. Crowd chanting YES/NO even for Kane/Orton.
Sheamus gets the pin on Daniel Bryan and the boo was almost as loud as for Cena.
How long till WWE realizes they fucked up?
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I'm guessing they're thinking "meh, it's just one place". I sure hope this happens on every city they go to now!!
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The crowd tonight was really fucking annoying during Cena's promo at the end.
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*Tazzvoice* Welp, here comes the pain.
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The crowd tonight was really fucking annoying during Cena's promo at the end.
lolwut? More crowds should be loud like that. Them yelling "YES!" that much was their way of telling Vince and company that booking Bryan to get squashed by Sheamus like that was lame as hell.
And I didn't watch wrestling when Brock Lesnar was around, so his return did nada for me.
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The crowd tonight was really fucking annoying during Cena's promo at the end.
lolwut? More crowds should be loud like that. Them yelling "YES!" that much was their way of telling Vince and company that booking Bryan to get squashed by Sheamus like that was lame as hell.
Amen.
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Yeah, this wasn't like crowds randomly yelling "WHAT!" at the wrong time; this was a crowd making a statement about a terrible booking decision at the biggest PPV of the year. Should be interesting to see if the "YES!" chant catches on everywhere and if they are forced to turn Bryan back to being a face as a result.
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The crowd tonight was really fucking annoying during Cena's promo at the end.
Only when they spoiled Brock's return. The crowd was the best part of the show, but I do wish they hadn't started cheering for Lesnar before he showed up. Kind of spoiled the surprise. That said, seeing Lesnar come back was the first time since I was a kid that I was actually excited by what was happening in wrestling.
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I've never liked crowds that try to make themselves the center of the show, and that crowd was doing that in spades. Personally I hope the YES thing doesn't catch on, that'll get annoying ten times faster than the WHAT thing did.
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Oh my god!!! Brock F5-ing Cena might be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!!!!
I would love for this to be a weekly thing. I just want Brock to wail on him every Monday night.
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I wanna see him F5 Dolph Ziggler just to see how many times Ziggler will spin and how he would sell it.
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Apparently, the "YES!" chant was heard at last night's Heat game. :lol
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I wanna see him F5 Dolph Ziggler just to see how many times Ziggler will spin and how he would sell it.
:lol I hadn't even thought of this, but now I want to see it happen.
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I notice that Taker hasn't pulled off either 1) the suicide dive over the top ropes or 2) Old School in a few years. Makes me sad to see he's getting old. :(
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I wanna see him F5 Dolph Ziggler just to see how many times Ziggler will spin and how he would sell it.
:lol I hadn't even thought of this, but now I want to see it happen.
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I notice that Taker hasn't pulled off either 1) the suicide dive over the top ropes or 2) Old School in a few years. Makes me sad to see he's getting old. :(
I'm almost positive he did Old School during the match Sunday night.
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I notice that Taker hasn't pulled off either 1) the suicide dive over the top ropes or 2) Old School in a few years. Makes me sad to see he's getting old. :(
I'm almost positive he did Old School during the match Sunday night.
He did :)
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Oh, phew, okay. But I'm positive he didn't do the suicide dive (the cell didn't even break, so...). Can't remember if he did it last year.
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Oh, phew, okay. But I'm positive he didn't do the suicide dive (the cell didn't even break, so...). Can't remember if he did it last year.
Yeah, he didn't do it this time. He did it last year, and about killed himself.
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I know he really messed up the dive against HBK....can't remember any messups with HHH.
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Yeah, the "camera man" was supposed to catch him, and he wasn't even in the right position.
I think the best match at Wrestlemania last Sunday was Punk vs Jericho.
Plus, I love them both.
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Taker didn't have enough room to pull off the suicide dive on Sunday without crashing into the cell.
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Taker didn't have enough room to pull off the suicide dive on Sunday without killing himself by crashing into the cell.
Fix'd
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- While nothing has been announced and WWE will likely change plans between now and then, F4Wonline.com reports that the company is working towards Brock Lesnar vs. The Rock for the WWE Title, Steve Austin vs. CM Punk and Jonh Cena vs. The Undertaker for the top matches at WrestleMania 29.
Regarding Cena and The Undertaker, WWE.com has a new video up with several stars talking about the Hell in a Cell match from WrestleMania 28 and how it was truly the end of an era. Cena comments on The Streak:
"I know he holds the streak near and dear but I don't see any reason for him to try for 21st. After seeing the last four matches he's had at WrestleMania, I am certainly not involved with throwing my name in that hat."
Brock v Rock for WWE Title? Been there done it. Only this time it is two part timers devaluing "the most prestigious prize in Wrestling."
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Remember back when Titles actually meant something.
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Clearly, WWE is clutching at straws trying to draw from Attitude glory days. The lack of any real competition is really hurting them creatively.
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Vince should buy TNA and then do like an ''invasion'' storyline where wrestlers from TNA start showing up at RAW or Smackdown and cause trouble. I think it's brilliant and completely original!
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I personally think they are building to something huge for WrestleMania 30. Gain interest with the old stars coming in to get the audience aware of the new product, piss off the IWC, then at WrestleMania 30, unify the WWE and World Heavyweight Championships, CM Punk v Daniel Bryan 60 minutes iron man match.
RE buying TNA, while the comment was tongue in cheek, the would completely mess up the angle again. I just hope ROH get a better TV deal and PPV deal and become competition.
In a dream world, Dana White would start the UWC - Ultimate Wrestling Championship, but stick to traditional styles of wrestling and the monthly PPVs. That would keep WWE awake at night.
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So I was at a job site the other day and saw this across the street:
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I was in Stamford, CT which is not where I thought the HQ would be. For some reason I also had this vision of the building's workforce consisting of nothing but wrestlers in full attire doing mundane office work.
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Or a ring-shapped building.
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WWE HQ has been in Stamford for...well, as long as I can remember.
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I used to pass that building on I-95 every time I would drive to my ex girlfriend's house :lol
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I wonder if someone could just walk in there off the street or if it's a private building.
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WWE HQ has been in Stamford for...well, as long as I can remember.
For some reason I just figured it'd be some mammoth structure in Texas or its own island somewhere.
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So....where are we hoping they take HHH and Taker? Is it done? Are they going to be main eventers in the future?
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I think it's done. I would be happy with that WM match being the last either of them ever do, but they'll probably have Taker back once a year to sell more tickets and shirts.
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HHH will be a main eventer as long as he wants, since he helps run the company.
I think Taker is done, or at least close to done.
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I think opposite to be honest Hef. I think Triple H wants to now help the business progress, hence why he has insisted on not bringing any new talent through unless they have a solid character/story.
Taker on the other hand, I can see him going until at least WrestleMania 30. OR, if he still has one match a year, I see no reason why he can't stay on until 25-0, especially if the matches can be limited with a gimmick such as no-dq etc.
Don't know if he has been discussed before but I am really into Dean Ambrose from FCW at the minute. He called out Foley at Axxess and some of his promo work and work with William Regal down in FCW was fantastic. Can't wait to see him debut!
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Taker on the other hand, I can see him going until at least WrestleMania 30. OR, if he still has one match a year, I see no reason why he can't stay on until 25-0, especially if the matches can be limited with a gimmick such as no-dq etc.
What about the fact that he's suddenly gotten a lot older and is actually pretty ridiculous looking nowadays?
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Taker on the other hand, I can see him going until at least WrestleMania 30. OR, if he still has one match a year, I see no reason why he can't stay on until 25-0, especially if the matches can be limited with a gimmick such as no-dq etc.
What about the fact that he's suddenly gotten a lot older and is actually pretty ridiculous looking nowadays?
I was just thinking about that as well. He's 47, but looks way older and only few years ago he was looking pretty decent.
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The haircut makes him look younger IMO.
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He should go sooner rather than later. His most recent WM match was such a bore.
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Undertaker was the first wrestler I ever Marked out for. I was like 3 or 4 years old and seeing him scared/excited the hell out of me.
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WM28 should be his final match. WWE should keep to it's hype ('end of an era'), plus he's lost his appeal. He can't work the way he used to, so I would worry that every match just gets progressively more boring.
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I would have no problems if they end it now at 20-0.
and on a side note, I think Paul Bearer's facial expressions are the greatest thing ever
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Does The Undertaker wear any make-up to make him look more "deadman" like or is it just the eyeliner? Maybe that's why he looks that way.
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What a great opening. Chaos in the ring with Brock and bloody Cena. :tup
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Lesnar looks flabby.
And he definitely connected for real with the shot that bloodied Cena. He probably forgot that he wasn't in UFC anymore and instinctively started wailing away.
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Lesnar looks flabby.
And he definitely connected for real with the shot that bloodied Cena. He probably forgot that he wasn't in UFC anymore and instinctively started wailing away.
You read my mind.
and The Three Stooges :facepalm: Please get back in the box.
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As noted before, people backstage at WrestleMania 28 were talking about how good The Undertaker looked in the ring and the belief is that he will at least work WrestleMania 29. Word now is that Taker will likely work several more WrestleMania events from here on out.
Looks like Lesnar vs Undertaker at WM29 then Cena Vs Undertaker at WM 30. He can probably make it to 25-0 and retire.
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I wish Sting would stop being so stubborn and join WWE. His TNA contract is out in December. Taker vs. Sting needs to happen. Sure it may not be the best match ever, but two of the most enigmatic forces in wrestling history colliding on the "grandest stage of them all" needs to happen.
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Is Sting still doing his Joker gimmick?
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Sting was way overrated back in the day. The first two times they gave him the world title, he flopped. The first time, he flopped so badly that they gave Flair the belt back six months later (this was late 1990, and it was later revealed that they had determined that Flair's time at the top was done, but they gave him the title back after Sting flopped), and the second time, he dropped it to Vader less than five months later. Sting was never the stud guy who could carry a big promotion like many thought he was gonna be.
And I don't know why so many are dying to see Sting/Undertaker. Is Vince really gonna build up a guy like Sting for the match, considering Sting has never worked for him? Vince doesn't like giving instant stud status to characters he didn't create (the exception being when Flair came to the WWF in the latter part of 1991).
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If it smells of money, then Vince would book it.
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So was flipping channels last night and stumbled across Smackdown. Watched for a few minutes, and saw Hacksaw Jim Duggan come out for a match. Shortly thereafter, Sgt Slaughter came out. Then I saw Sheamus team up with Gene Okerlund (complete with Tutti Frutti intro music) for a match, a match which was interrupted by the beautiful bagpipes of Roddy Piper, who came out to the ring with Ted DiBiase and some other guys I remember from my youth.
It was glorious, weird, hilarious, and sad all at the same time.
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Is Sting still doing his Joker gimmick?
I believe so. He needs to revert to the "Crow" gimmick and stay there.
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Is Sting still doing his Joker gimmick?
I believe so. He needs to revert to the "Crow" gimmick and stay there.
QFT
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I wasn't watching WWE at all during Brock Lesnar's first run, so I went and found his Hell in a Cell match with Undertaker on youtube, and holy hell does Undertaker bleed in that match. Also, Paul Heyman yelling throughout he match was hilarious... "Brock, we're loooosing!"
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Brock had some good matches with 'Taker and Angle on his first run.
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Sting was way overrated back in the day. The first two times they gave him the world title, he flopped. The first time, he flopped so badly that they gave Flair the belt back six months later (this was late 1990, and it was later revealed that they had determined that Flair's time at the top was done, but they gave him the title back after Sting flopped), and the second time, he dropped it to Vader less than five months later. Sting was never the stud guy who could carry a big promotion like many thought he was gonna be.
And I don't know why so many are dying to see Sting/Undertaker. Is Vince really gonna build up a guy like Sting for the match, considering Sting has never worked for him? Vince doesn't like giving instant stud status to characters he didn't create (the exception being when Flair came to the WWF in the latter part of 1991).
Sting got cut off at the knees by booking for most of his world title reigns. His first reign was the fucking Black Scorpion disaster, his second reign he never really got to establish a feud before he jobbed to Vader (and to be fair, Sting made Vader look like a million bucks as the monster heel.) He didn't get to beat Flair when his heat was at the highest due to a knee injury, and he never got to feud with a heel Lex Luger in 1990 when Luger was a top heel. Sting was hugely, insanely over for a very long time-it really took the Starrcade 97 debacle and its follow up to kill him-and was far better than people credit him as a worker. You book him in a feud in 1990 where he fends off the Horsemen one by one before finally pinning Flair at Starrcade and he's MADE as a star. Ole Anderson fucked him hardcore with the booking, and Bill Watts fucked him harder.
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The Black Scorpion angle was definitely horrible. It wasn't even supposed to be Flair originally, but Ole Anderson; I cannot remember the exact reason it was changed, although I think injuries prevented Ole from competing anymore at the time.
Sting definitely put Vader over big time in '92. That was the one I really liked about the NWA/WCW in the 80s/early 90s...whenever a heel won a title, they often won it fair and square. As dirty a player as Flair won, he always won his world titles fair and square.
Really, once Sting tore his knee up in early '90, and they turned Luger back to being a face, they should have had Luger win the title from Flair. But that's Flair fault, as he refused to drop the strap to Luger. And to think that Flair later criticized Bret Hart for not wanting to drop the WWF title to Michaels in Montreal. :\
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So I'm going to both Raw and Smackdown tapings tomorrow and Tuesday :hat Awww yeah
Be nice to see Monday Night Raw without Cole or Smackdown with Booker T AND Cole yapping away. :P
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General question I was wondering: How/when did you get interested in wrestling?
I was introduced to it via the NWA on TBs back in the 80s. The Four Horseman, Dusty Rhodes, Rock n Roll Express… and that followed to the WWF. I still remember renting the first Wrestlemanias on VHS. I even had the (don’t call them dolls) Hogan, Savage, Superfly Snuka action figures.
Then I lost interest in the 90s as I was graduating high school, almost failing out of college, dicovering my burgeoning interest in alcohol and women. Looking back I feel bad I missed out on the Monday Night Wars (and WCW) and rise of the Attitude era. Then I was checking out Raw on night to see what was up in the WWF and I saw a guy who looked like a homeless vagrant challenge a roided up guy with a big nose to a match called Hell in a Cell. I had never heard of that type of match before, but damn if it didn’t sound awesome.
I again lost interest a few years later and am just now starting to follow it again.
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I'm guessing that was the Mankind/Triple H HIAC in 2000.
I started watching from a very young age, the World Wrestling Council was the first company I watched religiously, that was Puerto Rico's top/best company at the time, owned by the legendary Carlos Colón (father of WWE's Carlito Caribbean Cool and Primo/Eddie Colón and uncle to Epico). This would've been like '95, '96 and a lot of "big name" or recognizable talent came through the company; Dutch Mantell, One Man Gang, Val Venis (before he took that gimmick, he was called Glamour Boy Sean at the time), Dory Funk Jr., Invader #1 (probably best known for being the guy who stabbed Bruiser Brody to death) Then I started, or rather realized, there was also the WCW and WWF and enjoyed the hell out of the Monday Night Wars. Saw the rise of Stone Cold from the start, and he instantly became (still is) my favorite wrestler, saw the nWo angle be used to death, WCW putting the final nail in their coffin by making Goldberg lose the undefeated streak and Mankind put my butt in a seat, yes he did!
After the Attitude Era ended and Stone Cold and The Rock left, HBK and 'Taker appearances became sporadic, the debacle that was the "new" ECW, the PG-programming and WWE's hellbent-ness to push Cena down my throat I began to lose interest. Until this happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OS9wZGb_3g and I started watching again and marking for CM Punk.
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Sometime in the mid-90s. A neighbour gave me a video tape of some WWF games (Hogan vs Taker was there, at least one of them) and I was instantly fascinated by the dead man. A while after that I discovered that there is wrestling broadcasted late at night on some German channels (DSF?) so I started staying up and recording the matches I was interested in.
Later as the cable tv providers got more channels I found WCW and watched that, then SkySports got into regular morning broadcasts of WWF matches which was amazing. Watch with a friend before school, talk all day about it and try out moves in gym class.
My favourites were Undertaker, Hogan (the nWo one), Raven, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Disco Inferno (I loved watching this guy lose, was so silly!) Giant, Mankind, Goldberg and Stone Cold. Those were always at the top and main reason why I watched wrestling. This list could go on, though, there were so many great wrestlers and characters back in the 95-2000/2 period (probably before too). The "newest" I like is Kane back when he had a mask and was a real menace, having 3 minute fights and tombstoning the referee at the end. And boy, what a toombstone he had!
Now I can't name 3 guys that are worth watching and came in the business post 2002. At least not off the top of my head.
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Late 70s/early 80s, with Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling (NWA) - what would eventually morph into WCW. I watched Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat before either one had been a World Champ. What an awesome era to grow up in.
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I just always watched it growing up, I'm guessing my dad used to be into it back in the day. I still remember when there were only the original four PPVs every year, and all the kids on the street would come down to my house to watch them. I was a huge HBK fan, and I remember the crazy emotional swings I felt when he got put in the Sharpshooter with like 30 seconds left in his Iron Man match against Bret Hart, only to win in the extra time (hey, I was like 9 at the time :lol). I gradually started drifting away a few years later, missed a whole bunch from the early through late 2000s. I fell back in to being a regular viewer when I found out a buddy of mine was still into it, and some of my favorites were still around. It's become a weekly tradition for us to either watch Raw together at a bar, or at our houses and text about it.
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I remember Blackjack Mulligan, Don Kernoodle, and Baron Von Raschke (what an idiot, but he could crush an apple with his hand).
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I think about a year after Hogan won the championship. Probably about 6-10 months before Wrestlemania 1? I remember Piper blastin Captain Lou. I remember Piper smacking Snuka with a coconut. Man, Piper in the mid 80s was the best heel ever IMO. Followed it fairly consistently through to about when Rock and Stone Cold were both no longer full time. Lost interest in the mid 00s. Getting re-connected with it a little now, but not following it intensely.
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I grew up watching Wrestling at the Chase in the early 80s, which was on every Sunday morning. Watched off and on for a few years, and then was pretty hardcore from '88-'91 (watching tons of WWF and NWA/WCW), and then was only an occasional watcher again for a few years, and then watched hardcore again when Hogan and the nWo exploded. Stopped watching for the most part as WCW slowly went downhill in the late 90s. I really didn't watch much WWF action when Austin and the Rock were at their peaks. I didn't watch any wrestling at all from the late 90s till probably early '09, so I missed most of the Attitude Era, and getting back into it a little bit was total luck, as I just happened to flipping around the dial on a Monday night and came across RAW in the middle of the altercation where Randy Orton punted Vince in the head. Orton's heel character kind of sucked me back in, and I watched a lot in '09. Been a casual fan again since, going through periods where I'll watch a lot and periods where I won't. If I am home on a Monday night, I am more likely to watch RAW, but I would never plan around it or avoid something else for it (I went out with friends to watch hockey tonight, for example). And I never watch Smackdown and would never pay for a PPV. Really, CM Punk is the only reason I watch at all anymore (since they emasculated Orton as a face).
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How I got into wrestling?
I'm mexican. I think that explains it all.
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I started watching in the mid 80's with the rock n wrestling boom. Enjoyed the wrestling cartoon and then Superstars Saturday morning. Then of course wrestling challenge saturday evening. Once a month when main event would replace snl would be a huge event; this being before ppvs were prevelent. I still believe the best wrestling overall was 80s Jim Crockett NWA. Ric Flair is my all time favorite and all of his matches were enjoyable to watch. The cast surrounding him at the time was spectacular - Rhodes, magnum TA, road warriors, sting, lugar, koloff, etc. I don't want to know how much money I've spent in my life wrestling related.
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My interest in Wrestling comes in waves.
I was first introduced to the WWF at the age of 3 in 1991, by my mom's boyfriend who loved Wrestling. I remember being mesmerized by the spectacle of it all. I loved to watch Ultimate Warrior, Million Dollar man, Macho man and lex lugar. But my favorite of them all was The Undertaker, probably cause he scared me to death.
Then a few years past of not watching it and then I became obsessed with WCW in 97. Sting was my favorite, yet another dark character. I also really liked DDP, Booker T and absolutely loved Scott Hall. Especially when he threw his tooth pick.
Then a few more years passed and I checked up WWE in 2003. I remember being pretty bored during this time. Undertaker was getting toward the end of his biker gimmick and it was feeling a little tired. Diva's were boring me to death, and worst of all, Kane Took off his Mask. Then I tuned out.
After 9 years of not watching I just started watching Raw again a few weeks ago and I'm enjoying it for the most part. I really like CM punk a lot and I am mesmerized by Santino and his power walking. :lol
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Royal Rumble 2000 - Triple H v Cactus Jack. Mae Young getting her puppies out. Rock and Big Show having that crazy Rumble finish.
Love watching MSG events purely for the nostalgia and short walkway to the ring.
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12 years ago today, the wrestling world lost a legend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gA9NbyvPe4
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12 years ago today, the wrestling world lost a legend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gA9NbyvPe4
Rick Rude was incredible. I first discovered him when he was running with DX, but as I looked back into his past, I gained a true respect for him.
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Thread resurrection... so what do you guys make of Paul Heyman being on screen? I hope he sticks around and eventually rejoins the office on creative side.
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I love Paul Heyman, but I really love to hate Paul Heyman, cause he makes it so easy. His sleazy, slimeball in-ring personal and his real life persona are one in the same and that's why he is so effective and convincing.
I definitely hope he sticks around.
I'm still curious if they are going to backpeddle on Lord Tensai, since the gimmick doesn't appear to be getting over at all. I would have just kept a mask on him, keep him silent and have his manager work the mic. ( I was vaguely interested until the moment they took that mask off)
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Bringing Heyman back as the mouth piece for Lesnar was a no-brainer. I'm surprise they actually let Lesnar cut promos for 2 weeks. *shudders*
Oh and LOL everything about Lord Albertsan
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^^^ They should just repackage him as Lord Abertrain
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I wish Jamal hadn't died. His Umaga gimmick was just as bad as Lord Albert, but they had potential to take it to hilarious places. I always wanted them to go the comedy route, and have him fall in love with Maria.
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And, is it just me, or does anybody else finds ridiculous that every time a heel makes an argument against a babyface using only truth, logic and relevations, the only response the babyface makes is just to attack the heel?? :lol :lol
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Someone should really tell Heyman that being completely bald on top, but growing hair in the back and then putting it in a ponytail, looks utterly ridiculous. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Devin Townsend and his skullet want a word with you
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John Cena posted the following on his Twitter account:
"STARTING Monday Night July 23 @USA_NETWORK WILL BE ADDING A 3RD HOUR TO @WWE MONDAY NIGHT RAW - PERMANENTLY. #3hourRaw"
USA Network's Twitter account has confirmed this.
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WWE MONDAY RAW NITRO!
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Dumb idea. All that means is more commercials, more replays of the most important happenings (like when something happens during the opening segment and they replay it three times...now it will be five times :lol), more boring promos, and still not enough actual wrestling. Ho-hum.
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I'll take quality over quantity anyday, and since I already get bored at different points through out the show as it is, I don't think adding an extra hour is a good idea.
now if they used that 3rd hour to just go x-rated attitude era, then I could get down with that.
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
Not really the issue. Following your analogy, think of Raw as a pepperoni pizza with anchovis (or some other ingredient you despise). The goal in preparing this pizza should be to maximize the pepperoni and minimize the anchovis, right? If they use this extra hour to add more pepperoni, I'm all for it, but I'm afraid that extra space is just going to be home to more and more anchovis.
If the difference in size is made up entirely of ingredients you don't like, would you rather have a medium pizza or a large?
In short, if they add an hour of wrestling to each show, great. If they add an hour of Johnny Ace and Cena cutting promos, I want nothing to do with it.
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I've grown to like the promos more than the wrestling these days. I stopped watching wrestling for a few years, and now I just watch the promos on youtube and rarely watch a match. I just like the wrestlers talking shit to each other more.
There's also the fact that I don't give a flying fuck about most if not all of the new comers, and enjoy when guys like Triple H cut promos. I looking forward to what he has to say next Monday.
I absolutely hate John Laryngitis though.
I guess I'm supposed to...
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Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?
That's not what's going to happen.
They are going to go from two hamburgers, each with a 1/2 pound patty, to three hamburgers, each with a 1/3 pound patty.
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...Layla can wrestle!
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Big Show helping Johnny Ace beat Cena last night was the most predictable PPV ending ever.
Also, can we all recognize what a piece of shit Ric Flair is, once and for all? He might be a legend in the business, but he has always been a pile of shit, and now he is just a sad old man:
According to sources, people close to Ric Flair and TNA have confirmed that the two sides are at a major impasse, as there is a ton of heat on Flair for conduct outside the ring. One TNA source described the situation as, “being at the point it’s not worth keeping Flair around.” There have reportedly been a number of incidents involving Flair at local establishments and bars in Orlando since coming to the company. Sources say that Flair was banned from drinking at the Hard Rock Cafe in Citiwalk due to an incident with him “acting inappropriate”, leading to venue management banishing him.
There have been reports from talent in TNA that Flair has not been able to cover bar tabs repeatedly, and company management getting a call from the hotel and/or bar seeking payment. The most recent incident at the hotel TNA utilizes for their wrestlers and staff, which the company has had a great relationship with for years. This was reportedly the last straw in the situation, as Flair was pulled from the Louisiana house shows and the final TV Tapings before Impact Wrestling goes live on May 31st.
Many have compared this to the situation on the European tour last year, where TNA’s Craig Jenkins, after several days of fronting Flair money to cover a bar tab, refused to do so again. Flair then screamed at Jenkins in front of the entire crew and refusing to get on the TNA tour bus to head to the next date, and was then left behind. Publicly, Flair blamed the matter on the company not giving him “advances” like he would get when touring for WWE, citing that he was “used” to that treatment.
Many forces within the company have been against having him as a regular since he came into the company, noting that while he carries a high price tag, he hasn’t translated into drawing money or ratings for the company. And now with these issues, it seems, as all they are getting is “Ric Flair level behavior,” not “Ric Flair level performances.”
Others within the company feel that Flair and WWE put them in a “no win situation” when Flair was announced for the WWE Hall of Fame, noting that the company had no choice but to allow him to go in, or else they would look like they were denying Flair and the fans. Flair reportedly did not know that he was getting inducted but he publicly told fans he would be there “on stage” before a deal was signed that would allow him to appear.
Spike TV sources also note that there have also been a number of requests from the network end to keep Flair dressed and not have him near nude/in his wrestling gear and bleeding on TV at his age. There was even an order of arrest out for him if Flair did not pay the agreed settlement by a certain date. That order was issued because Flair had missed several agreed dates for payment of the settlement. The money was eventually paid and the NWA World title belt, which Highspots.com was holding as collateral, was seen displayed at WWE AXXESS this year. Most believe that WWE paid the debt and acquired the belt for their archive.
While it has not been confirmed, the word going around TNA this weekend was that Flair was finished with the company.
Unfortunately since leaving WWE, Flair has had several issues. He signed for a number of appearances with Ring of Honor, and then pulled out citing his relationship with WWE. Most feel that Flair realized ROH weren’t going to use Reid Flair following a drug arrest. When Flair didn’t pay back an advance given to him, ROH filed a lawsuit against him Flair also had issues with Highspots.com over money owed to them.
Source: Pwinsider
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Great matches last night, But, I'm really sick of John Cena, what a horrible main event. Specially after Bryan vs Punk.
Cena needs to GTFO for a while.
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Ric Flair was one of my (anti-)heroes back in the old NWA days and one of the reasons I enjoyed wrestling so much then. I don’t follow anything non-WWE related so didn’t even know he was still around in any wrestling capacity.
Just re-watched Beyond the Mat this weekend. Man did Jake Roberts look pathetic. I used to love him too.
Also just learned Shawn Michaels name is Michael Shawn Hickenbottom. Not sure why that amuses me.
And why did Albert surface again as some Japanese guy?
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Great matches last night, But, I'm really sick of John Cena, what a horrible main event. Specially after Bryan vs Punk.
Cena needs to GTFO for a while.
Wow, didn't even know there was a PPV last night, and I honestly I've been sick of Cena since his debut. There is just nothing threatening about him.
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Did some one mention Ric Flair :neverusethis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymEFer8XUl0
But seriously I don't even know what to think of Ric Flair anymore. He's been a part of my entire Wrestling viewing life, but I think he should have seriously retired after the match with Shawn Michaels.
Ric Flair was one of my (anti-)heroes back in the old NWA days and one of the reasons I enjoyed wrestling so much then. I don’t follow anything non-WWE related so didn’t even know he was still around in any wrestling capacity.
Just re-watched Beyond the Mat this weekend. Man did Jake Roberts look pathetic. I used to love him too.
That documentary was heartbreaking, since I really loved him back in the day. I much rather prefer the Pick Your Poison documentary.
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Great matches last night, But, I'm really sick of John Cena, what a horrible main event. Specially after Bryan vs Punk.
Cena needs to GTFO for a while.
SERIOUSLY! After yet another great match between Bryan and Punk (that's what? the 4th great match they've had this year?) to end it with that abomination and the most obvious ending ever is... ugh!
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Big Show helping Johnny Ace beat Cena last night was the most predictable PPV ending ever.
Also, can we all recognize what a piece of shit Ric Flair is, once and for all? He might be a legend in the business, but he has always been a pile of shit, and now he is just a sad old man:
According to sources, people close to Ric Flair and TNA have confirmed that the two sides are at a major impasse, as there is a ton of heat on Flair for conduct outside the ring. One TNA source described the situation as, “being at the point it’s not worth keeping Flair around.” There have reportedly been a number of incidents involving Flair at local establishments and bars in Orlando since coming to the company. Sources say that Flair was banned from drinking at the Hard Rock Cafe in Citiwalk due to an incident with him “acting inappropriate”, leading to venue management banishing him.
There have been reports from talent in TNA that Flair has not been able to cover bar tabs repeatedly, and company management getting a call from the hotel and/or bar seeking payment. The most recent incident at the hotel TNA utilizes for their wrestlers and staff, which the company has had a great relationship with for years. This was reportedly the last straw in the situation, as Flair was pulled from the Louisiana house shows and the final TV Tapings before Impact Wrestling goes live on May 31st.
Many have compared this to the situation on the European tour last year, where TNA’s Craig Jenkins, after several days of fronting Flair money to cover a bar tab, refused to do so again. Flair then screamed at Jenkins in front of the entire crew and refusing to get on the TNA tour bus to head to the next date, and was then left behind. Publicly, Flair blamed the matter on the company not giving him “advances” like he would get when touring for WWE, citing that he was “used” to that treatment.
Many forces within the company have been against having him as a regular since he came into the company, noting that while he carries a high price tag, he hasn’t translated into drawing money or ratings for the company. And now with these issues, it seems, as all they are getting is “Ric Flair level behavior,” not “Ric Flair level performances.”
Others within the company feel that Flair and WWE put them in a “no win situation” when Flair was announced for the WWE Hall of Fame, noting that the company had no choice but to allow him to go in, or else they would look like they were denying Flair and the fans. Flair reportedly did not know that he was getting inducted but he publicly told fans he would be there “on stage” before a deal was signed that would allow him to appear.
Spike TV sources also note that there have also been a number of requests from the network end to keep Flair dressed and not have him near nude/in his wrestling gear and bleeding on TV at his age. There was even an order of arrest out for him if Flair did not pay the agreed settlement by a certain date. That order was issued because Flair had missed several agreed dates for payment of the settlement. The money was eventually paid and the NWA World title belt, which Highspots.com was holding as collateral, was seen displayed at WWE AXXESS this year. Most believe that WWE paid the debt and acquired the belt for their archive.
While it has not been confirmed, the word going around TNA this weekend was that Flair was finished with the company.
Unfortunately since leaving WWE, Flair has had several issues. He signed for a number of appearances with Ring of Honor, and then pulled out citing his relationship with WWE. Most feel that Flair realized ROH weren’t going to use Reid Flair following a drug arrest. When Flair didn’t pay back an advance given to him, ROH filed a lawsuit against him Flair also had issues with Highspots.com over money owed to them.
Source: Pwinsider
:lol Read that and immediately knew someone must be a Hogan, Bret Hart etc. fan.. used search to find Hogan posts and sure enough... :lol
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Pretty sure that has nothing to do with it. Hogan is a piece of crap, too, so what is your point? Oh, that's right, you don't have one.
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All good man...all good. Wrestling is not important enough for me to get all riled up about.
As you noted Hogan and many other wrestlers are not exactly model citizens they get paid to have big egos and I think that in part causes issues outside of the ring. The whole business is pretty much a shame and has turned me off of it all a long time ago.
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So now Albert is going by just Tensai and has dropped the Lord title and other aspects of the gimmick. The office probably has no idea why its not working.
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I guess they figure they have to push him hard to re-coup the investment in electrolysis.
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I guess they figure they have to push him hard to re-coup the investment in electrolysis.
Good thing Vince is a billionaire, cause getting rid of all that back hair must have been a fortune.
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Since when did body hair stop someone from being a good wrestler?
(https://www.kayfabenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/animal.jpg)
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He'll always be Lord Albertsan to me!!
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He'll always be the "A" in T&A.
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I thought that was a pretty decent Raw last night.
Watching Prince Abertrainsai finally get beat was very satisfying and I loved the barbeque sauce thing.
Sin Cera was pretty sweet too.
also, I'm happy to hear that Vince is coming back new week.
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Thread bump, damn I'm loving AJ at the minute. I dig crazy chicks too.
So a few legends have came back on RAW to hype up RAW1000, was awesome seeing Sid last night!
I can see the last legend returning on the 1000th show and taking it to the Slater being The Undertaker, cause he just has to be involved in it considering he was on the 1st RAW.
A New RAW GM soon too? My money is on Ric Flair!
EDIT: Time for a new thread title?
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I wish the GM position died. Why do we need that?!
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Exactly, especially with Vicki as interim. :puke:
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If you watch professional wrestling, then I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you are white trash. No offense of course.
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::)
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Speaking more seriously, I used to watch this when I was 13. I liked the WWF in the Attitude era because they pushed new talent instead of keeping dinosaurs around forever the way the WCW did. I remember Mick Foley once said "I thought about going to the WCW, but then I decided I'm not quite old enough yet." That was awesome. Now the WWE is much worse than WCW ever was in that regard. Also it really is white trash, and this is coming from a guy who dips tobacco-- that should tell you something.
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Hey Ohgar, no offense of course, but buzz off
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Remember Lex Luger? This is what he looks like now:
(https://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/b/b4/Lex_Luger_2012.jpg)
:eek :eek :eek
I swear, he resembles Steve Howe of Yes!
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I always thought Lex Luger was underrated. He wouldnt be somebody that could carry a match; but If he was in the ring with a good worker, he could have a great match. Three matches that stand out to me are Luger vs Rhodes from starrcade 86, Luger vs Flair from starrcade 88 and Luger vs Pillman from Havoc 89. All three are awesome matches.
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I always thought he fared better in tag matches. Him and Windham made a good team. I do seem to recall that Pillman match though. He went on the downhill when he came to the WWF as "The Narcissist" What a lame gimmick.
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Yeah Luger and Windham had great matches with Arn and Tully
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Has anyone managed to see the new NXT series yet? 2 episodes in and it looks very good so far.
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I read that the new nxt is a vast improvement but I haven't heard what the new concept is yet
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Luger's WWF run was a disaster, but his original NWA/WCW run was tremendous. From 1988-1992, he was up there with Flair and Sting as far as being a main eventer. Plus, he was over like crazy when he was a face, and was always hated a lot when a heel, so it is hard to argue with that. Flair's refusal to put him over as the champion before he left for the WWF in the summer of 1991 forever hurt Luger's rep.
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Luger's WWF run was a disaster, but his original NWA/WCW run was tremendous. From 1988-1992, he was up there with Flair and Sting as far as being a main eventer. Plus, he was over like crazy when he was a face, and was always hated a lot when a heel, so it is hard to argue with that. Flair's refusal to put him over as the champion before he left for the WWF in the summer of 1991 forever hurt Luger's rep.
Agree with everything you said there.
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And it's funny that Flair was so critical of Bret Hart for not wanting to drop the belt to Shawn Michaels at the Survivor Series in 1997, when he refused to lose to the belt to Luger anywhere in both 1990 and 1991. Then again, Flair is a piece of shit, so it is no surprised that he is a hypocrite as well.
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I only know Lugar from the NWA days. I didn’t ever follow WCW and didn’t follow WWE when he was there.
What are some of your favorite and least favorite personas/gimmicks?
I have always been an Undertaker fan. Being a kid and seeing him with Paul Bearer and the urn was creepy-awesome.
There have been too many crappy gimmicks to think of my top (bottom?) ones off the top of my head.
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This would be my number one crappy gimmick of all time:
The shockmaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9Z0422hQmmk#t=201s
(https://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u266/The_Shockmaster/shockmaster.gif)
Runners up include: Doink and Isaac yankem
(https://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=21168,filename=doink.jpg) and (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PfgzU7BLxIg/SCcZEa9w7rI/AAAAAAAAFWQ/c2PD11anLfk/s400/8+-+Dr+Isaac+Yankem+-+Glen+Jacobs.jpg)
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A few off the top of my head
Worst:
I hated The Repo Man.
Kane's dentist thing? Isaac Yankem, right?
Sid Justice? Justice??? Are you kidding me!
The Patriot
Best:
Road Warriors, best schtick ever... until the WWF commercialized it. In the AWA and NWA, they were something else.
Sting's 'crow' gimmick was pretty damn good too.
Brett Hart anti-american. Loved world-wide; hated State-side.
NWO ... when it was just the three of them. When it ballooned to half the f'n WCW, ugh. I think they jumped the shark when they added Buff Bagwell.
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Somehow my dept at work ended up with this creepy clown, and it ended up becoming our mascot. We took submissions for names, and someone googled "clown" and ended up with a picture of Doink. She forwarded it to the team and everyone loved the name Doink, so that is what we went with. I was the only one who knew who Doink actually was.
I remember the Road Warriors from the NWA. Wasn't their entrance theme Iron Man?
I never liked Kane, not really sure why, I just never have.
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I agree with Chad, the Road Warriors in the NWA were the most kick ass team ever. Loved how they would just toss one jobber out of the ring right away then beat the snot out of the other. Yes, they used Iron Man for their entrance. I also agree that WWF ruined them. I thought originally Doink was a very cool gimmick; this being a demented clown. It obviously changed and became a joke. I still think the coolest team/faction of all time is the Four Horseman- my favorite being Flair, Anderson, Blanchard and Windham.
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I'm still laughing over when Kane was Fake Diesel
(https://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x310/The_Ultimate_Wrestling_Gallery/E%20-%20F/FakeDiesel001.jpg)
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I forget who was fake Razor?
I preferred the FH with Ole over Windham.
We need Toro or a mod to modify the thread title.
Another bad gimmick ... Eugene.
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lol Eugene. The fuck were they thinking?
Also, not a gimmick, but a gimmick storyline: Katie Vick. Ugh... Twas the end of Kane with that one.
Billy & Chuck
Rico
Hornswaggle
Umaga
Tensai
The Great Khali
The Boogeyman
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Unmasking Kane and the Katie Vick storyline were the worst things to ever happen to the Kane character!
Also, not one of my favorites or worst, but I gotta give props to the (imo) much underappreciated Billy Gunn. He took that Ass Man gimmick, ran with it and was very over! Always thought he was a good worker too.
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Last year I saw Billy Gunn at a local show in front of maybe 50 people. He was a good worker but I think he had a poor attitude. And yeah, that Katie Vick storyline was awful.
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I forget who was fake Razor?
Fake Razor was Rick Bognar, but he never got repackaged into a successful gimmick as Kane did.
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Yeah, the Road Warriors were the greatest. And yes, the WWF ruined them. They were huge everywhere they went, and had tremendous respect in Japan. I actually saw Hawk wrestle a singles match against Ric Flair once and he did surprisingly well, although Flair could carry a crappy wrestler to a great match, so who knows.
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Yeah, the Road Warriors were the greatest. And yes, the WWF ruined them. They were huge everywhere they went, and had tremendous respect in Japan. I actually saw Hawk wrestle a singles match against Ric Flair once and he did surprisingly well, although Flair could carry a crappy wrestler to a great match, so who knows.
I remember that match (or at least a match like that.. maybe they had more than one). Hawk was awesome. Some legendary rivalries against Henning/Hall in the AWA, and the Rock 'n' Roll Express, Midnight Express, Doom, Powers of Pain, and any other combination Crockett could put together in the NWA.
another bad gimmick ... The Hurricane. How did that ever get over? Hated that.
Others:
Nailz
Tugboat
Terry Taylor converted into the Red Rooster
One Man Gang converted into Akeem
Rotundo converted into IRS
Other good ones:
King Kong Bundy and the 5-count
Kamala with the belly slap
Big John Studd being un-slammable
The APA... DAMN!
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The Hurricane was at least funny.
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Does anybody know what's going on with Stephanie? I saw a recent pictorial where she's shredded now. Is she planning to return to the ring, or is HHH trying to Chyna-ize her?
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No and no, she did that to lose all the weight gain from being pregnant.
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One of my favorite gimmicks was Val Venis. I know it was cheesy and stupid, but it was hilarious too.
"Hello, ladies! You know, the Big Valboski is kind of like a Rubik's Cube. The longer you play with it . . . the harder it gets!"
lol
/shameface
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Val Venis :rollin :rollin
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Red Rooster was ridiculous........the WWF in the mid 90's had some pretty stupid gimmicks- The Goon, Duke the Dumpster, the plumper, that magician, it was super PG. This lead to the backlash of ECW and later, the attitude era
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I used to love Val Venis in the day, the Rick Rude for the 21st Century
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I use to watch Val Venis, before he was even Val Venis.
/hipster
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For worst gimmicks, I almost forgot about Phantasio (weird ass Mime/magician thing) :lol
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/__NxBY9Lekf4/TVMN91ZRXDI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/MlnfUU9WrF0/s1600/phant.jpg)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7enqq_phantasio-wwf-debut_sport
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The 1,000th Raw is on right now, and it has been pretty pedestrian thus far. Not surprising. Aside from the token appearances by some rarely-seen legends, this has been ho-hum.
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Okay, that ending, with a possible heel turn by Punk, was awesome. Absolutely perfect booking there. Hopefully, they do him right from this point forward and don't turn him back into a weak heel who loses to everyone.
But think about this: CM Punk just ended the biggest RAW ever by standing over a beaten John Cena and The Rock. I'd say he's made it now. :hat :hat :hat
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I loooooove the heel turn to end the show! Which means two things: 1)Punk can go back to making awesome promos, as he's always done as a heel and 2) Punk will keep the title until Royal Rumble in the least (being a big Punk mark I love this).
It was surprising and disappointing that Stone Cold didn't even make an appearance as a pre-tape thing. I did mark out when DX and the DX Army appear and when the APA came out, but holy shit are there gonna be a bazillion commercial breaks from now on!!
But think about this: CM Punk just ended the biggest RAW ever by standing over a beaten John Cena and The Rock. I'd say he's made it now. :hat :hat :hat
YES! YES! YES! YES!
Oh and by the way, kudos to WWE for bringing Mae Young's Hand-son.
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I was slowly losing interest in this again, as they had neutered Punk (he should be a heel, not a face), but I had to watch tonight since it was the landmark episode, and with Punk possibly turning heel again, this could get pretty good again. Thank God for DVR nowadays, as I can fast forward through most of the crap. :tup :tup
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Oh, and Stephanie... DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!
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Some thoughts from tonight's episode...
The DX reunion was a lot of fun. I was in middle school when DX formed, so I was a big fan of all those guys. It was great to see them all in the ring together.
Dude Love!
I'm very interested to see how AJ does as GM
I marked out for the APA, and Slater sold the clothesline from hell like a champ.
Stephanie, Trish, and Lita were all looking damn good (granted, Lita's never had the nicest face, but still)
Loved the ending. Hopefully this is the beginning of a full fledged heel turn and we can get Punk vs Stone Cold at Wrestlemania.
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Personally, I think that bringing old wrestlers back for a cameo is boring. I never liked DX anyway, so I fast forwarded through that crap. Did we really need Steve Austin to come back for one segment just so he can have a nostalgic moment where he stuns someone and then chugs beers all over the place?
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...YES!!!
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Personally, I think that bringing old wrestlers back for a cameo is boring. I never liked DX anyway, so I fast forwarded through that crap. Did we really need Steve Austin to come back for one segment just so he can have a nostalgic moment where he stuns someone and then chugs beers all over the place?
I don't like them bringing back old wrestlers, because its out of context. They just walk down for a squash match and disappear. It doesn't help the story line or help get the current talent over. Its just for a cheap pop.
and even though the original DX was probably my favorite faction ever, the current watered down and ballsless dx is a joke.
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Oh, and Stephanie... DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!
This so much. And at first I didn't recognize Trish with the brown hair color. She's looking better than she did in her wrestling days too.
Didn't catch the whole show (missed the full DX segment, and the APA totally). 3 hours is way too much. And seriously, what did the Skype sessions with Sheen add? That was totally ridiculous. They also misused Brett Hart (introductions only?).
Way too much filler now. I'm not sure I'll even DVR it... I just flip by to see if there's anything interesting.
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Personally, I think that bringing old wrestlers back for a cameo is boring. I never liked DX anyway, so I fast forwarded through that crap. Did we really need Steve Austin to come back for one segment just so he can have a nostalgic moment where he stuns someone and then chugs beers all over the place?
I don't like them bringing back old wrestlers, because its out of context. They just walk down for a squash match and disappear. It doesn't help the story line or help get the current talent over. Its just for a cheap pop.
Exactly.
They also misused Brett Hart (introductions only?).
Well, he can't do much else anymore. He can't do anything physical (the guy did have a stroke years ago), so using him to announce the participants for a match like that is probably about all he can do now.
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They also misused Brett Hart (introductions only?).
Well, he can't do much else anymore. He can't do anything physical (the guy did have a stroke years ago), so using him to announce the participants for a match like that is probably about all he can do now.
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Meh, he coulda cut some kind of promo. Sure, he can't take much of a bump (he was laboring just to get to the ring). The guy can still talk. They coulda had some kind of heel interaction with him.
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Possible Punk heel turn = :2metal:
Bring that shit ON.
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"Possible"?!
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Charlie Sheen the new David Arquette?
Also, I must have skipped over Trish's segment, but last time I saw her, she looked anorexic.
Raw 1000 was a great nostalgia show if nothing more. We probably wont see any of the old wrestlers wrestling, and I think it's unfair that The Rock gets an automatic title shot at the rumble. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next time we see him too.
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"Possible"?!
I didn't stutter.
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Steve Austin has revealed that he had knee surgery three weeks ago and is still on crutches, and that is why he didn't appear on RAW last night. He said he wasn't about to show up on the 1,000th RAW as Stone Cold Steve Austin in character and on crutches. Totally understandable.
Also, tell me The Rock didn't sell this like a champ:
(https://i45.tinypic.com/2wduirk.jpg)
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Also, tell me The Rock didn't sell this like a champ:
He did.
Raw 1000 was a great nostalgia show if nothing more. We probably wont see any of the old wrestlers wrestling, and I think it's unfair that The Rock gets an automatic title shot at the rumble. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the next time we see him too.
Oh, he'll make a big show of it in between now and then that he's so there for everyone and blah blah blah but you're right.
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Say what you want, but WWE just got 100,000 more buys for that PPV just because of that announcement.
Rock also sold the GTS very well!
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Say what you want, but WWE just got 100,000 more buys for that PPV just because of that announcement.
And that's what it's about, ladies and gents. :)
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Also, it is still very sad what an attention whore HHH is. He stole Punk's thunder last fall following the explosion of the Summer of Punk, and now he has not only throw himself into the middle of a feud with Brock Lesnar, whose return was a very big thing, but he kicks his ass in a one-on-one fight last night? Yeah, Cena got absolutely dominated by Lesnar, but HHH has no problem getting the best of him in under two minutes. Pathetic.
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i always loved the Rock's promos and he didn't disappoint last night...Calling Bryan a troll from the Lord of the Rings before telling him he looks like the child of a homeless lumberjack and an Ompah Loompah
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It sure didn't help Bryan's cause in that segment that he was still in that white tux. :lol
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Also, I must have skipped over Trish's segment, but last time I saw her, she looked anorexic.
Showing HHH how to stretch and do yoga.
I can't wait for Punk to take a shot at the Rock about how test audiences shat all over GI Joe, and it had to be pushed back to next March. Makes me wonder how he's gonna promote that if he's in the WWE title picture.
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I was there last night and I must say how disappointed I am at my city, they should of had it in Chicago or New York.
Bad St.Louis! :tdwn
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The payoff to the whole AJ/Daniel Bryan wedding was, well dumb. Why go through that to make her the GM?
More importantly, why am I trying to make sense out of wrestling?!
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What does everyone expect to come out of the Daniel Bryan - Charlie Sheen situation. I can't see them actually having a match.
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Say what you want, but WWE just got 100,000 more buys for that PPV just because of that announcement.
I don't know about that, his return didn't give Survivor Series many more buys than the previous year.
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I was there last night and I must say how disappointed I am at my city, they should of had it in Chicago or New York.
Nah, Punk's heel turn wouldn't have gone over in Chicago, as his hometown always cheers for him no matter what. But really, he didn't get booed that much last night. Most of the booing seemed piped in, and even a fairly loud "CM PUNK!" chant right after he did the GTS on the Rock seemed to vanish out of nowhere, so the WWE probably did some audio trickery to make it seem like the crowd was booing him more than they really were to make his heel turn seem more legit. And assuming Punk does become a full-fledged heel again, I suspect he will still be a heel that gets cheered quite a bit, although they'll probably give him some upcoming promos where he rips the crowd to draw more heel heat.
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Witness the awesomeness that was Mr. Perfect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfnRxbb-tN8&feature=player_detailpage#t=7926s
R.I.P. Curt Hennig, one of my favorites from back in the day.
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Witness the awesomeness that was Mr. Perfect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfnRxbb-tN8&feature=player_detailpage#t=7926s
R.I.P. Curt Hennig, one of my favorites from back in the day.
:tup
Also, hearing Gorilla Monsoon and The Body on commentary makes me weep for what we have to put up with today.
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Gorilla Monsoon!
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Summerslam tonight, I probably won't watch it though. Speaking of which, Time for a thread name change!
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Yeah, the announcing tandems were awesome back then:
Monsoon and Heenan
Monsoon and Ventura
McMahon and Ventura
That was before McMahon was too overbearing, and he and Ventura had an amazing chemistry. Best exchange ever:
As a referee was being wheeled away from the ring on a stretcher....
Vince: "That looks like you after your matches back in the day, Jesse."
Jesse: "Don't you tell me that, McMahon! That looks like you after one of your St. Paddy's day binges!"
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Gorilla Monsoon!
hell yes.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8c/Gorilla_Monsoon.jpg/220px-Gorilla_Monsoon.jpg)
God do I miss him.
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Kev you should get the mr perfect DVD; very cool. My favorite combo was monsoon and heenan; comedy and entertainment at its best. It's pandamonium brain!
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Time for a thread name change!
Got it.
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I'll try to watch Summerslam because I'm intrigued if the WWE will let Cena win the title, then loses it to Rock at the Rumble to face CM Punk at WM29 or will they let CM Punk long reign continue.
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While I am interested in how the Punk/Cena/Show match turns out, I really couldn't care less about anything else.
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Kev you should get the mr perfect DVD; very cool. My favorite combo was monsoon and heenan; comedy and entertainment at its best. It's pandamonium brain!
I've seen it; good stuff. :tup :tup
I'll try to watch Summerslam because I'm intrigued if the WWE will let Cena win the title, then loses it to Rock at the Rumble to face CM Punk at WM29 or will they let CM Punk long reign continue.
Well, there is still about five months in between tonight and the Rumble, so I wouldn't assume that whomever comes out of tonight with the belt is a lock to still have it then, especially since the WWE runs PPVs every three weeks nowadays.
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When I was a kid we randomly had a blank VHS tape in the house with all of Wrestlemania 4 on it. Even as a kid I loved listening to Monsoon and Ventura go back and forth for a couple hours.
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Yeah, I missed out on listening to Ventura/Monsoon :(
The Brain was always awesome, even in WCW, loved watching the barber shop vignette where The Rockers split because of Hennan's line! :rollin :rollin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zbQj9fZLtI#t=0m42s
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The Lesnar/HHH match:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opBAWliG4B8
Good to see HHH get his ass kicked, even in kayfabe. :tup :tup
And :lol :lol at the "You tapped out" chants at HHH after the match.
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They made the match too even! It should've been a much more futile attempt by Triple H, he should've never even landed one Pedigree. It would've made the eventual rematch much more better dramatically.
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I don't think it really was that even. Granted, HHH garnered more offense than Cena did when he fought Lesnar back in April (which was a mistake back then, I thought), but there is no way HHH would book himself to get dominated AND lose the match. No way, no how. :lol
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But it would've made for a much better story. Even some blood, like with Cena, it would've worked much better. As it was, it was kinda slow, uninteresting match IMO.
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Word on the street is that Vince was pissed that Triple H lost - he wanted H to win, but H wanted to lose so it could build further to Survivor Series.
Either way, about the only thing I'm interested in these days is Punk's heel turn. Everything else IMO is :yawn:
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No fashah wants their kid to lose.
I thought it was lame how Jerry Lawler was knocked out with one kick from scrawny CM Punk. The dude used to be a wrestler. He shouldn't job like a ref.
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Lawler is terrible as a face anyway; he should always be a heel announcer and a heel in the ring on the rare occasions where they include him in in-ring activity. But the WWE likes their legends cheered, so they can't have that. :\
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are they going to continue the Brock/HHH feud?
I thought it was over when Brock quit again on Monday Night Raw
https://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2012-08-20/brock-lesnar-leaves-wwe-26046827
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If that was real, couldn't he be sued for breach of contract? Not that I think it's real.
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WWE needed a way to explain his lack of appearances (since his contract has a very specific number of appearances and they want to use him for WM29).
But, after the Heyman promo on Raw, I thought he could disappear and not many people would be wondering why.
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i'm sure its still all part of the story line, but what would facing HHH again prove?
Maybe have him come back and challenge the Taker and his streak at Wrestlemania ?
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It would mean another "high profile" match for HHH, he loves that doesn't he?
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It would mean another "high profile" match for HHH, he loves that doesn't he?
I know HHH does, but what incentive is their for Lesnar to face HHH again, he beat him, he made him tap.
If they are using the " I quit " Video from Raw saying he has nothing left to prove to the WWE why come back again to face HHH?
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I don't know, they'll use some kind of "wrestling logic" to make it work.
What I find funny, being someone who also follows MMA and saw most of Lesnar's fights, is that the kimura is now his finishing move. He wasn't a submission fighter at all while in the UFC, using more his wrestling and pure brute strength, obviously, and he only finished one fight by submission.
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I've always liked HHH :-[
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It's not real - Brock's contract was for a certain number of appearances on RAW/PPVs. I can't remember the exact number though.
It's stupid, because he did the same damn thing after he lost to Cena. ::)
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I've always liked HHH :-[
Me too, but I'd be lying if I said I don't understand why so many people dislike him.
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I've always liked HHH :-[
Me too, but I'd be lying if I said I don't understand why so many people dislike him.
Because he's Vince son in law....just kidding though loved him as a wrestler but since he came into the McMahon family he seems to be alot more self promoting
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hslr2AnE-Vk#t=3m48s
Without a doubt the best part about this week's Raw!
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That was awesome. Everything else? Yeah, not so much.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hslr2AnE-Vk#t=3m48s
Without a doubt the best part about this week's Raw!
wow, the WWE actually did something entertaining/funny.
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So, the King collapsed tonight on Raw while on commentary. It was scary to hear such silence and Cole break character completely, I got a flashback to Owen Hart but thankfully, Lawler appears to be stable and responsive in the hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Z5DHd1QumQg&hl=en_US&fs=1&
EDIT: It's being confirmed that he had a heart attack.
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Get well Jerry!!
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I hope he gets well!
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Hang in there, King! :heart
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Hang in there, King! :heart
Ditto! Hail to the King!
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Lawler is universally regarded as one of the nicest people in the business. Vince once said that Lawler is the most complete individual in wrestling history based on everything that he has done of a career that has crossed 5 different decades, to include reffing, wrestling, booking, promoting and commentating.
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^ Good points, man. It's just sad that JR had to go off on some douche on Twitter who'd said that this was all a work.
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^ Good points, man. It's just sad that JR had to go off on some douche on Twitter who'd said that this was all a work.
While I gauged the severity of the situation based on how they were handling it (as well as many others), I could see how some people could initially think that it was a work. Lawler was playing a pretty sizable part in the current CM Punk storyline. And the WWE has has crazy stuff par to the course in the past such as Vince blowing up in a limo, and Vince getting crushed/buried alive by the set to end the money giveaway.
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And the WWE have attributed real life injuries to wrestler to make them works. And they've done some pretty distasteful works like "Jeff Hardy fell down a stair well" and "Eddie Guerrero's mom had a heart attack at a house show".
I just hope they don't even fathom making this part of the CM Punk storyline.
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^ Good points, man. It's just sad that JR had to go off on some douche on Twitter who'd said that this was all a work.
I have to admit, I had a moment where I wasn't sure. It was just because earlier on Raw Punk had said "How are you feeling this week, Jerry?"
Anyway, here's hoping for a full and speedy recovery.
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Oh, trust me - it could've EASILY been a work... until the camera panned to Kane (VERY briefly out of character) looking over at the announce table shortly after Jerry collapsed and until Cole majorly broke character and only gave updates on Jerry for the rest of RAW.
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Yeah, they've had some pretty "rough" storylines with The King in the past, using his son against him.. but there is no way I could see Jerry signing off on a work such as this. If they did, I'd probably lose any respect for the creative team.
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Jim Ross and Stacy "The Kat" Carter are both reporting positive news that Jerry suffered no brain damage. Michael Cole posted an update that he spoke with Jerry this afternoon and that "The strap" will be coming down soon.
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That was SO touch and go, though - especially with them doing CPR on him for 20 minutes.
SUCH good news though.
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While Jerry "The King" Lawler, the character, has always been an entertaining wrestler and commentator, I have heard too many negative things about Jerry Lawler the man, so I can't exactly fake it and act like this had any real impact on me at all, but you never want to see anyone go through something like that, so it's good to see he is doing well, all things considered.
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He's still with Kat?! Lol
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They divorced but are still good friends.
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very good news
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The King touts!
https://www.tout.com/m/rwwluj
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Sheamus made D-Bry tap tonight. Clean.
My Sheamus hating levels are reaching 2007 Cena status.
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"D-Bry"? That's terrible.
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"D-Bry"? That's terrible.
Thats how Booker T calls him dawg, he is in his fav five dawg!!
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oooooooooooh shucky-ducky QUACK QUACK!
Also, don't worry Toro, Kaniel will win the tag titles Sunday!
Though I do find interesting how much of a bully baby-face Sheamus is... hah
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(https://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/2584198011/triple-h-shaves-head.jpg)
:omg:
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That's actually not a bad look for him.
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Except that it makes his ginormous nose look even bigger. :lol
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That's actually not a bad look for him.
Yeah... it just looks... weird. Is he really done (is any wrestler ever done the first time they say they are)? And if so, why was his last match against Lesnar??
Why are they giving Booker T a microphone? Why does Alberto Del Rio have that annoying guy announce his name?
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Why does Alberto Del Rio have that annoying guy announce his name?
In my opinion, Ricardo Rodriguez is more entertaining than Del Rio himself.
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That's not difficult, considering Del Rio is super lame. It speaks volumes as to how shallow their depth is when that guy is still getting the main event push. He should be mid-carding, at best.
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Why does Alberto Del Rio have that annoying guy announce his name?
In my opinion, Ricardo Rodriguez is more entertaining than Del Rio himself.
Absolutely agree with this.
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Yeah... it just looks... weird. Is he really done (is any wrestler ever done the first time they say they are)? And if so, why was his last match against Lesnar??
Why are they giving Booker T a microphone? Why does Alberto Del Rio have that annoying guy announce his name?
He's not done, I bet he's back and wrestling Lesnar again either before or on WM29.
Ricardo is awesome! He's very entertaining. And he can take this bump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b7m4KySiMQ
Also, KANIEL ARE THE CHAMPIONS!! KANIEL!!!
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hahaha I guess I need to watch more. All I have ever seen Ricardo do is introduce Alberto. My WWE viewing is very minimal these days.
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All I have ever seen Ricardo do is introduce Alberto.
Even just introducing Alberto he's still more entertaining than Alberto.
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Still, Alberto is the best in ring talent they have behind Bryan.
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Wow! Místico has been so Botch Cara that they gave him the Swanton Bomb as his finisher now...
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Still, Alberto is the best in ring talent they have behind Bryan.
Well that's, like, your opinion, man.
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If The Miz could act (haven't seen him act, but I doubt it) he could play Kyle Reese in the next Terminator.
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I'M GOIN' TO DISNEYLAND!
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YOu know what move you never see used anymore? The Indian Deathlock. Anyone else remember this match:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4E8lgo4wICc#t=457s
Awesome ending, with incredible selling by Funk. :tup :tup
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Yeah, I remember that hold, and that match. :tup
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Is Sting still embarrassing himself with the Jim Carey as The Joker gimmick?
Also, I like Randy Orton, but he's the most predictable wrestler I've ever seen.
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And he has the most boring entrance ever.
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I've never been a big Randy Orton fan. I was a huge Sting fan and I would love to see him sign with WWE and have a send off run. He deserves some recognition before he retires. Plus, if he signs with WWE, I'm sure we would get a Sting DVD; which would be very cool and deserved.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jprIMrePjCI&feature=youtu.be
NSFW
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jprIMrePjCI&feature=youtu.be
NSFW
:clap:
Reminds me of the good ol days.
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He did something similar for a roast of Zakk Wylde a few weeks back - hilarious stuff. :2metal:
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That was the Zakk Wylde shoot that was edited.
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D'oh! :lolpalm:
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It has been rumored for a while that if Austin ever comes back for one last match, it will be with CM Punk, so this is probably the start of a work that will eventually result in a Punk/Austin match, possibly at Wrestlemania next year (or the year after if Austin's health doesn't allow it that soon, or if he doesn't want to share top billing with The Rock, who will be working WM again in 2013).
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Probably 2014, WWE have Rock, Brock Lesnar, Undertaker as the big attractions for WM29.
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Probably 2014, WWE have Rock, Brock Lesnar, Undertaker as the big attractions for WM29.
Undertaker won't be there unless they can find someone credible to challenge The Streak.
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You mean like Brock Lesnar?
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Brock Lesnar is wrestling HHH at WM29.
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As much as I would hate to see another Undertaker match at Wrestlemania, I would absolutely refuse to watch him versus Brock. Good lord.
Punk and Austin at WM29 is as close as a lock as you can get in pro wrestling.
And Rock winning the WWE Championship at the Royal Rumble is going to hurt my soul.
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Punk and Austin at WM29 is as close as a lock as you can get in pro wrestling.
It's not. They don't really need that to happen. They have enough "starpower" without Austin.
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Punk and Austin at WM29 is as close as a lock as you can get in pro wrestling.
It's not. They don't really need that to happen. They have enough "starpower" without Austin.
It is....
but I agree. I hate seeing the dinosaurs steal the workers' shine at Mania time.
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If Rock wins the title at Royal Rumble, wouldn't that mean he has to, like, be a regular on the show? They can't have the WWE Champion only show up once a month can they?
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Not unless his name rhymes with Jwane Dohnson.
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The Rock would probably appear reguarly I believe the only thing he has going on between RR, and WM29 is promoting the G.I. Joe movie which he could take Mondays off from that.
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Exactly... he'll be around for the "Road to Wrestlemania". Maybe he defends the thing at Elimination Chamber. But I think he'll drop it to Cena at WM. We shall see.
I also think Ryback will win the Rumble and challenge Ziggler for the World Title. But we'll see
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I also think Ryback will win the Rumble and challenge Ziggler for the World Title. But we'll see
I hope so, but for right now it looks like they're trying to build something between him and Punk too.
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I also think Ryback will win the Rumble and challenge Ziggler for the World Title. But we'll see
I hope so, but for right now it looks like they're trying to build something between him and Punk too.
I think that's a backup plan in case Cena isn't healthy by Hell in a Cell.
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Ah, that makes sense.
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This is my understanding as far as Austin coming back for one more match:
-Yes, he thinks he has one more good match in him.
-Yes, Punk would probably be his opponent. The Austin vs Straight Edge storyline writes itself.
-No, it probably won't happen at WM29 (which pains me to say, as I'll be going to Wrestlemania next year). First of all, he had knee surgery recently (which is why he wasn't at Raw 1000), and may not be 100% by then. Secondly, supposedly he won't come back unless his return for the unquestioned main event. That won't be the case with Rocky and Lesnar in matches this year.
Also, I've heard one idea they're discussing is keeping Ryback undefeated into next year and having a streak vs Streak match with him and Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
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This is my understanding as far as Austin coming back for one more match:
-Yes, he thinks he has one more good match in him.
-Yes, Punk would probably be his opponent. The Austin vs Straight Edge storyline writes itself.
-No, it probably won't happen at WM29 (which pains me to say, as I'll be going to Wrestlemania next year). First of all, he had knee surgery recently (which is why he wasn't at Raw 1000), and may not be 100% by then. Secondly, supposedly he won't come back unless his return for the unquestioned main event. That won't be the case with Rocky and Lesnar in matches this year.
Also, I've heard one idea they're discussing is keeping Ryback undefeated into next year and having a streak vs Streak match with him and Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
He missed Raw 1000 because he was shooting Grown Ups 2 with Sandler.
I will be very surprised if it doesn't happen this year. Every indication is that it will.
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This is my understanding as far as Austin coming back for one more match:
-Yes, he thinks he has one more good match in him.
-Yes, Punk would probably be his opponent. The Austin vs Straight Edge storyline writes itself.
-No, it probably won't happen at WM29 (which pains me to say, as I'll be going to Wrestlemania next year). First of all, he had knee surgery recently (which is why he wasn't at Raw 1000), and may not be 100% by then. Secondly, supposedly he won't come back unless his return for the unquestioned main event. That won't be the case with Rocky and Lesnar in matches this year.
Also, I've heard one idea they're discussing is keeping Ryback undefeated into next year and having a streak vs Streak match with him and Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
He missed Raw 1000 because he was shooting Grown Ups 2 with Sandler.
I will be very surprised if it doesn't happen this year. Every indication is that it will.
I guess the knee surgery was legit and the Grown Ups thing was just a rumor. But even so, he could be good to go in plenty of time to work the match.
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If Rock wins the title at Royal Rumble, wouldn't that mean he has to, like, be a regular on the show? They can't have the WWE Champion only show up once a month can they?
Hulk Hogan in 1993 would like a word with you. :lol
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Also, I've heard one idea they're discussing is keeping Ryback undefeated into next year and having a streak vs Streak match with him and Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
Ooo, that could be REAL interesting if it plays out like that. Wouldn't mind seeing that at all, either.
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If Rock wins the title at Royal Rumble, wouldn't that mean he has to, like, be a regular on the show? They can't have the WWE Champion only show up once a month can they?
Hulk Hogan in 1993 would like a word with you. :lol
I wasn't watching wrestling in '93 :lol
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Also, I've heard one idea they're discussing is keeping Ryback undefeated into next year and having a streak vs Streak match with him and Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
Oh fuck no! No no no no!
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I approve of Ryback vs. Undertaker only if Taker tombstones him seven seconds into the match.
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I approve of Ryback vs. Undertaker only if Taker tombstones him seven seconds into the match.
Then makes the ref do a 5 count!
Seriously, if Flair, Orton, Edge, Kane, HBK (x2), HHH (x2) didn't end the streak, no one should. That would be disgraceful and an absolute travesty.
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HHH (x2)
x3, actually.
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HHH (x2)
x3, actually.
True... forgot about that earlier one.
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I believe that the Undertaker should retire with the streak intact. But if they decided to let someone beat him for it, it should be an up and comer that can hang his hat on it, such as Sandow, Barrett or Ziggler.
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The best HHH Wrestlemania was him getting squashed by The Ultimate Warrior in his first Wrestlemania appearance. :metal :metal
And par for the course, HHH has remained bitter and pissy about it. :lol :lol :lol
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Of he course he has HHH's ego doesn't like to lose especially at Wrestlemania.
Thats why he's going to wrestle Brock Lesnar again at WM29. I think Lesnar should break both of his arms for real then just retire with the millions they payed him to do nothing basically.
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lol it had nothing to do with Triple H losing, and everything to do with Ultimate Warrior popping up after the Pedigree like it was a hip toss or something.
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No-selling an opponent's finishing move was a part of the Ultimate Warrior's character, just like it was always a part of Hulk Hogan's character. HHH should know that. I just think he is pissed that his first Wrestlemania moment was him getting squashed by a character the WWE now holds in disdain.
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Brock Lesnar did basically the same thing in their match after the 2nd pedigree.
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Thats why he's going to wrestle Brock Lesnar again at WM29. I think Lesnar should break both of his arms for real then just retire with the millions they payed him to do nothing basically.
Rumors are going around that WWE wants to resign Lesnar when his current contract is up.
I laughed when Lesnar didn't sold that second Pedigree on Summerslam. :lol
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No-selling an opponent's finishing move was a part of the Ultimate Warrior's character, just like it was always a part of Hulk Hogan's character. HHH should know that. I just think he is pissed that his first Wrestlemania moment was him getting squashed by a character the WWE now holds in disdain.
Has he said any of this in an interview? Just curious, because the only time I've ever seen HHH address WMXII, he didn't seem bitter about it at all.
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I think HHH was cool with having Warrior squash him because it was such a high profile match early in his career.
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I believe that the Undertaker should retire with the streak intact. But if they decided to let someone beat him for it, it should be an up and comer that can hang his hat on it, such as Sandow, Barrett or Ziggler.
Agreed, and I would LOVE for it to be Barrett.
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What exactly is Heyman doing with Punk? I thought Heyman only appeared with people who had no idea how to use the mic.
But if they decided to let someone beat him for it, it should be an up and comer that can hang his hat on it, such as Sandow, Barrett or Ziggler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUr__-VZeQ
Was looking at wwe.com this weekend… what the hell is up with their pictures?? They look like action figures.
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So evidently Punk struck a fan in the crowd right before Raw went off the air tonight. Interesting to see what the fallout will be.
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Nothing will happen the guy was hitting CM Punk, and got exactly what he deserved.
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Punk was getting pushed around, IMO the guy he struck wasn't the one doing it but he was pushed 3-4 times before he punched back.
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Punk was getting pushed around, IMO the guy he struck wasn't the one doing it but he was pushed 3-4 times before he punched back.
according to a couple of websites the guy is pressing charges against Punk.....there is another video from the shot from the stands...some guy on Punk's right (our left from the view) pushed Punk pretty hard 2 or 3 times than this guy slide in behind Punk, Punk assumed it was him and gave him a pretty nice shot before placing his hand in the guys face and pushing him backwards
If this wasn't a shoot, Vince can't be happy
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Didn't look "planned" to me. :dunno:
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Eh, Vince will pay that fan a ton of money to drop the charges, he'll give Punk a tongue-lashing of epic proportions, and everything will be fine. Vince has too much time and money invested in Punk to let it all go to shit over this one little thing.
As for the incident itself, while it is hard to condone a wrestler hitting a fan, fans shouldn't be putting their hands on the wrestlers either. I mean, if someone is hitting you from behind, how long do you just stand there and take it, especially since you don't know far the person hitting you will take it? Honestly, given how often the wrestlers go into the crowd like that, I am shocked it took this long for something like that to happen.
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Eh, Vince will pay that fan a ton of money to drop the charges, he'll give Punk a tongue-lashing of epic proportions, and everything will be fine. Vince has too much time and money invested in Punk to let it all go to shit over this one little thing.
Yeah, that's a really good point. Vince has plenty of cash to throw at this too.
As for the incident itself, while it is hard to condone a wrestler hitting a fan, fans shouldn't be putting their hands on the wrestlers either. I mean, if someone is hitting you from behind, how long do you just stand there and take it, especially since you don't know far the person hitting you will take it? Honestly, given how often the wrestlers go into the crowd like that, I am shocked it took this long for something like that to happen.
Also agreed, especially on what I bolded. I suspect something like this has been brewing for quite a while, and Punk just happened to be the one to lose his cool about it. I can't blame him at all, though.
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Best video of the incident I've seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6wtozUAT0Bk
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That's a better angle than the video we watched of it earlier this morning.
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Okay, the guy who pushed Punk and then hid behind the guy with the sunglasses (the guy Punk wailed on) is a piece of shit.
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It looks to me that the guy that Punk clobbered just brushed against him, but was pushed into Punk by the guy behind him. Clearly, it was the last straw for Punk to give that guy a couple of shots.
Kid on the left shoves Punk twice; Punk shoves back and then says something to him.
Guy 2 people behind punk shoves the guy in front of him; that guy brushes against Punk's head; Punk levels him.
I can see how the dude that got clocked is pissed and laying charges.
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If fans jump into the ring or over the barricade, I have no sympathy for what happens to them. But when wrestlers go into the crowd, you have to expect people are going to want to touch them. Nobody did anything over the top to Punk, especially the kid that Punk hit. Uncalled for.
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If fans jump into the ring or over the barricade, I have no sympathy for what happens to them. But when wrestlers go into the crowd, you have to expect people are going to want to touch them. Nobody did anything over the top to Punk, especially the kid that Punk hit. Uncalled for.
When fans jump into the ring or over the barricade, it is open season on them and they are in big fucking trouble.
In the stands? I see a big check coming.
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very big cheque
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When fans jump into the ring or over the barricade, it is open season on them and they are in big fucking trouble.
In the stands? I see a big check coming.
Truth.
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To be honest, if the WWE champion backhanded me in the face, I would probably just brag about how the WWE champion backhanded me in the face.
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Exactly. :lol
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WWE's official statement:
“WWE security was unfortunately not in the appropriate place at the time. Given CM Punk’s persona as a ‘bad guy’ fans were naturally heckling him, but unfortunately a few fans began shoving him and one struck him in the kidney and on the back.
WWE regrets that proper security measures were not in place, and CM Punk apologizes for reacting in the heat of the moment.”
Punk's comments:
“I think the whole situation sucks,” Punk told WWE.com. “It’s an unfortunate and isolated incident. I was up in the stands, surrounded.”
“Somebody said, ‘let’s push him down the stairs,’” Punk explained. “I got hit in the ribs three times. I was getting shoved and I was getting punched…Then I started getting tagged in the back of the head. Unfortunately, I lashed out in the heat of the moment and I apologize. I’m really just glad nobody was hurt.
Also, the fan Punk hit has told the Sheriff's office that he does not want to press charges, but is considering hiring an attorney for a possible lawsuit. Shocking.
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Well, you know Vince'll settle that out of court in a New York minute.
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I'm not sure that he will if the guy doesn't press charges.
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If he's lawyer'd up, then I'm sure the lawyer will recommend he press charges to get the max possible settlement.
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Doesn't make sense not to press charges based on the circumstances
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Yeah, it doesn't, but you know how sue happy peeps have been in the last 10-15+ years...
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Zigglers gonna Zig
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Am I the only one who is completely bored of the story lines they're coming up with lately?
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They need to go back to 2 hour Raws. It's a chore to watch now and I agree, the storylines have been quite boring as of late.
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Am I the only one who is completely bored of the story lines they're coming up with lately?
About 3 months ago I got so bored that I just stopped watching. My love of wrestling will never die, but at this point I can't even sit through a whole RAW.
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Whoever came up with this AJ/John Cena storyline needs to be botch pedigreed, Shawn Michaels style.
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Gave up on Raw a long, long time ago. I don't think I could say I'm even vaguely aware of the storylines, or who's even face or heel.
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The storylines have been completely fucking horrible, they even made Lawler's heart attack part of CM Punk's heel thing which I think is despicable... but this is WWE so I shouldn't be surprise.
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The fact that they did it at all means that Lawler must not have cared too much.
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One would hope so, and that Punk and Heyman also OK'd it.
But yeah, Lawler was joking around with it last night on commentary so he must be.
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So, who thinks WWE is going to do something really stupid like make CM Punk drop the belt to The Rock at Royal Rumble? I would hope Punk walks out for real this time if that happens. As far as I'm concerned, The Rock doesn't even deserve a title shot to begin with. I know he's a legend, but he wrestles maybe once a year now, if that. It just wouldn't be fair.
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That's almost a certainty, WWE wants to build to a Rock/Cena rematch at WM.
Which I would hate because Cena would probably win the rematch, and the title, so we would go back to the status quo.
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They could always turn Cena heel after he becomes champion. That would sort of not really shake things up...
I know he'll never go heel again. He can't do the Make A Wish Foundation as a bad guy.
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What pisses me off the most about that is that it's completely wrong!
The Miz has been a heel his whole career and does a ton of PR shit and even has gone to a few be a STAR or whatever they call it rallies. But yeah, Cena going heel will never happen.
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Well The Miz certainly isn't the draw that Cena is even now that Cena is 60/40 boos and cheers, but maybe he's been babyface for so long that they just don't know how to turn him heel. Plus, he's now embracing the boos and making fun of himself referencing internet comments such as his "5 moves of doom", so that makes it even harder. They do need to give someone else the belt for a while, but besides Cena, Punk, Big Show, Ryback, Orton, and whoever else I'm forgetting because the roster sucks so bad, there isn't many guys to push.
Kane can't be champion because he's too busy being a watered down dumb ass version of himself.
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They do need to give someone else the belt for a while, but besides Cena, Punk, Big Show, Ryback, Orton, and whoever else I'm forgetting because the roster sucks so bad, there isn't many guys to push.
Daniel Bryan would like to have a word with you.
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I don't like Daniel Bryan. His gimmick got old before it started, and besides a few funny moments with Kane which don't even happen anymore because the "I'm the tag team champions" bullocks killed everything, he's not good for much.
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I only catch bits here and there anymore, but it has been bad lately.
-Daniel Bryan should be in the mix as far as the world titles go; he should not be wasted in a tag team with an old and boring Kane. The crowd loves to cheer for or against him, and he is a legit great wrestler.
-Ryback is another big, dumb guy who has zero charisma. Boring!!! Those "Feed Me More!" chants are obviously piped in more often than not.
-Punk keeping the belt for this long is great, but him losing it to the Rock is, sadly, inevitable.
-Why in the hell is somehow as boring as Big Show still in main events, much less the freaking world champion? Good grief.
-Vickie Guerrero is the most annoying person ever. She is not the kind of heel you want to see put in her place; she is the kind you turn to something else whenever she talks. That is not good. Amazing that Vince still lets her on the mic so much.
-They are clearly saving Brock Lesnar's last few appearances so HHH can get revenge on him. L-A-M-E. You signed Lesnar to a 1-year contract and all you will have done for him is having him put over guys (Cena, HHH) who don't need the rub. Nice botch.
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-Daniel Bryan should be in the mix as far as the world titles go; he should not be wasted in a tag team with an old and boring Kane. The crowd loves to cheer for or against him, and he is a legit great wrestler.
All of this!
-Ryback is another big, dumb guy who has zero charisma. Boring!!! Those "Feed Me More!" chants are obviously piped in more often than not.
-Punk keeping the belt for this long is great, but him losing it to the Rock is, sadly, inevitable.
Yep.
-Vickie Guerrero is the most annoying person ever. She is not the kind of heel you want to see put in her place; she is the kind you turn to something else whenever she talks. That is not good. Amazing that Vince still lets her on the mic so much.
Vince confuses X-Pac Heat with heel heat or he just wants to hear a reaction and doesn't care, he really is out of touch.
-They are clearly saving Brock Lesnar's last few appearances so HHH can get revenge on him. L-A-M-E. You signed Lesnar to a 1-year contract and all you will have done for him is having him put over guys (Cena, HHH) who don't need the rub. Nice botch.
Yep.
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How many rotations do you think Eddie has done now?
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They need to go back to 2 hour Raws. It's a chore to watch now and I agree, the storylines have been quite boring as of late.
HELL yeah.
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I think they thought that starting RAW before the football game started would get some people sucked into it right away and then they'd be less likely to flip over to football (as opposed to RAW starting after the game and having to flip over to RAW), but when you start RAW off with some crappy match between two boring slugs like Ryback and Tensai, people like me flip over to watch the rest of the football pre-game instead.
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Well, we DVR Raw every Monday. But trust me, I would've rather watched the MNF game.
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They need to bring in some new bodies rather than just rehashing middle to low guys characters...Hopefully they have some sort of story line with the 3 NXT guys that attacked Ryback and the PPV
Their are plenty of established guys in ROH, but it seems everytime they do sign one of these guys they rot in FCW (Punk/Bryan being the exceptions)
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LOL at how dumb Ric Flair is:
Ric Flair's latest marriage has officially hit the mat -- his fourth wife has filed for legal separation ... claiming the legendary pro wrestler was as big of a cheater in their marriage as he is in the ring.
Jacqueline Fliehr filed the docs in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina earlier this month citing "acts of illicit sexual behavior."
In the docs, obtained by TMZ, Jackie explains, "Husband has had numerous intimate relationships with other women during the parties' marriage, to the embarrassment and humiliation of wife."
Jacqueline also notes that she was a "faithful and dutiful wife" ever since they tied the knot in 2009.
But there's more ... Jackie claims Ric has totally screwed her out of tens of thousands of dollars in spousal support he agreed to pay when they hammered out a separation agreement back in October.
According to the docs, Flair agreed to pay Jacqueline $4k per month in spousal support ... plus a one-time payment of $15k to cover legal costs. He also agreed to pay $14k in back payments from the time they split in July.
But Jacqueline claims Nature Boy totally blew off the agreement -- and hasn't paid her one single cent.
Now she wants a judge to force Ric to pay up ... which shouldn't be too hard, considering she claims he still makes more than $1 MILLION per year. Not bad for a 63-year-old pro wrestler.
We reached out to Flair's people -- so far, no response.
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What pisses me off the most about that is that it's completely wrong!
The Miz has been a heel his whole career and does a ton of PR shit and even has gone to a few be a STAR or whatever they call it rallies. But yeah, Cena going heel will never happen.
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Completely different circumstances:
Hogan had been in WCW for two years, and while cheered quite a bit, he was never really fully accepted by WCW crowds, so turning him heel was easy to do, even if it was something none of us saw coming.
Cena still makes too much money for the WWE in merchandise, plus all of the good pub they get for all of the "Make a Wish" stuff he does, so it just isn't realistic to turn him heel right now, especially since they don't have someone waiting in the wings to be a top face who can move merchandise like he can.
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Cena would sell more merchandise as a heel than he does now so thats not really an issue. I think the real issue is who would Cena even feud with as a heel? Sheamus? I don't know maybe. Randy Orton? Nope he's turning heel atm. CM Punk? Just turned heel so unlikely to turn back so soon. Chris Jericho? Could be a possibility when he returns. No one else is a big enough star to even be considered.
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Cena would sell more merchandise as a heel than he does now so thats not really an issue.
How could you possibly know this?
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I just noticed something about Cena's booking this year:
Remeber Zack Ryder during the last months of 2011 and first months of 2012?
CM Punk was over as fuck as a face right? What did he do? A shoot promo, A feud with John Laurinaitis, Anti hero kind of gimmick and so on an on.
So Vince, in his attempt to get Cena cheered, does all of this:
Puts Cena with Ryder. Buries Ryder kills his momentum, and Cena still gets booed.
Makes video packeges of Cena with Make A Wish Kids that scream: LOOK YOU CAN'T BOO HIM HE IS A GOOD PERSON!! He get's booed harder than anything at WM
Then they end the Punk/Lurinaitis Feud out of nowhere and suddenly Cena enters in a feud with JL. He still gets booed.
Oh what? Punk gets more cheers than Cena? Let's put his title matches on the mid card and let Cena main event every PPV. Still doesn't work.
Well Punk gets more cheers huh? Let's turn him heel, and put him against the GOOD guy cena.
Cena does a shoot promo on Punk, still gets booed.
Then Cena is the face of the WWE/Cancer month. If you hate Cena, you love cancer. And everyone even Divas stop using Pink so Super Cena can be the face of that month. Still. Boo.
So know they are puting him with AJ wich worked with Punk. And now I'm just waiting for the inevitable Ziggle burying during TLC.
So yeah. Fuck Cena.
Also Hi guys.
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They put that storyline in the backburner since pics surfaced of him with one of the Bellas on a, apparent, date.
I would've like for that whole "evidence" angle (which in itself was just retarded how Vickie was "ha there you are in a elevator with her, you clearly fucked!" Also, Cena goes out on dates in his ring gear LOL) to end with the person that AJ got in the room with being Ziggler. Would've made his whole "you're a whore" speech better and not seem completely out of nowhere.
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Apparently, Undertaker reached out to WWE and told them he wants to work WM29 and pitched them an opponent.... CM Punk. #respect
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Apparently, Undertaker reached out to WWE and told them he wants to work WM29 and pitched them an opponent.... CM Punk. #respect
God damn it.
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#382Days
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Hashtags are for twitter.
Hope Punk doesn't drop the title to team part time at the Rumble OR Wrestlemania....
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He's not even part time.
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#dontcareYOLO
Nah, he won't drop it at WM. At the Rumble, yes, unfortunately.
He's not even part time.
He's got like the greatest gig in the business! He gets paid a year's worth of work for 3-4 months!
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Which is mostly promos...
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So still, the greatest gig in the business.
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I would've like for that whole "evidence" angle (which in itself was just retarded how Vickie was "ha there you are in a elevator with her, you clearly fucked!" Also, Cena goes out on dates in his ring gear LOL) to end with the person that AJ got in the room with being Ziggler. Would've made his whole "you're a whore" speech better and not seem completely out of nowhere.
Ziggler was my first thought on that debacle, but I'm kind of glad Vince put the kibosh on it - Vickie's character is BEYOND annoying.
Apparently, Undertaker reached out to WWE and told them he wants to work WM29 and pitched them an opponent.... CM Punk. #respect
That could be worth seeing. If Punk/Taker DOES happen, I hope the lead-up to it isn't as lame as the lead-up to the HHH/Taker rematch was.
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Completely different circumstances:
Hogan had been in WCW for two years, and while cheered quite a bit, he was never really fully accepted by WCW crowds, so turning him heel was easy to do, even if it was something none of us saw coming.
Cena still makes too much money for the WWE in merchandise, plus all of the good pub they get for all of the "Make a Wish" stuff he does, so it just isn't realistic to turn him heel right now, especially since they don't have someone waiting in the wings to be a top face who can move merchandise like he can.
I didn't say it was gonna be this Monday... but it's always a possibility.
I mean seriously, shit happens...
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Completely different circumstances:
Hogan had been in WCW for two years, and while cheered quite a bit, he was never really fully accepted by WCW crowds, so turning him heel was easy to do, even if it was something none of us saw coming.
Cena still makes too much money for the WWE in merchandise, plus all of the good pub they get for all of the "Make a Wish" stuff he does, so it just isn't realistic to turn him heel right now, especially since they don't have someone waiting in the wings to be a top face who can move merchandise like he can.
I didn't say it was gonna be this Monday... but it's always a possibility.
I mean seriously, shit happens...
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The best part about that episode was this. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7edzm_wwe-raw-eric-bischoff-debut-new-gen_shortfilms&start=122
Remember, Vince had already announced that there would be a new Raw GM announced, and this is the segment that preceded his coming out. I hadn't been paying too close attention to the behind-the-scenes, so this was about as close to a jaw-dropping moment as you can get for the WWE.
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Why was it so offensive to Cena when CM Punk said he became the New York Yankees?
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Cena is from Boston thats why.
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Ah I see. I thought maybe there was more to it than that.
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I'm really not a Sheamus fan, but for the past few months he's been having some really good matches with Ziggler, Barrett, Antonio Cesaro (loooove Claudio Castagnoli!) and Big Show (of all people).
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I pray to the wrestling God's they dont let Cena beat Ziggler at the PPV....Ziggler has done nothing short of becoming their most improved/consistent wrestler the past year. He really deserves a run with the title
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If they make Cena win it will be yet another example of WWE burying guys instead of making them into main eventers, and then WWE worries that they don't have young guys for main events!
Ziggler is amazing! For the past year and half, he's been their best young talent (Barrett would've been here if not for the elbow injury) and he's easily the best seller in the company!
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Cesaro is the best thing on RAW his matches are always amazing. He just needs some gimmick tweaks and he will be ready brother.
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God yes! He's been having the best matches on Raw for the past month and a half!
Also:
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TLC did not disappoint.
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Last night was amazing.
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I didn't watch it last night, watching it now and I got to say that it sure is a weird way to turn Del Rio face by him going after the shittyness that is 3MB.
Punk's "Knees 2 Faces" t-shirt = WIN!
The Shield vs. Team Hell No/Ryback... I marked out so much! For a match that was put together fast because Punk got injured, this was such an amazing match! They should all gone to the back and said "Follow this!"
And in true WWE fashion how they follow that amazing match? A divas match. :facepalm:
Seriously, give the WHT to Ziggler already!
Great PPV!
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Last night on Raw when Ric Flair said he couldn't tell us where he's going to be later that night 'cause he'd get in trouble, he was talking about TNA right?
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No he signed with WWE awhile ago he hasn't been with TNA for ages now.
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Oh ok, I haven't really been following. I just know he was feuding with Sting on TNA at one point not to long ago.
I guess he was just going to get drunk and bang hookers then.
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(https://i.minus.com/iZfkxPgAt2QAO.gif)
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I love that woman.
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She's insanely hot!
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You know the whole "WWE Week" USA has going? I'm very tempted to DVR Friday's showing of The Game Plan hosted by CM Punk, that's gonna be full of Punk making fun of Rock, obviously.
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She's insanely hot!
Yeah, she's about the best looking Diva in the locker room IMO. And crazy to boot. What's not to love? :jets:
Seriously, give the WHT to Ziggler already!
I agree - he and Wade Barrett need belts, stat.
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2013 will be Zigglers year
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It better be. That's the only thing I can think of that would get me interested enough to start watching again.
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If they book them right; Ziggler, Barrett, Rollins, Ambrose and Cesaro are gonna be big superstars for a long time! If there was a time where McMahon had the right people to build the WWE's future (read: post-Cena) is with those 5!
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If they book them right; Ziggler, Barrett, Rollins, Ambrose and Cesaro are gonna be big superstars for a long time! If there was a time where McMahon had the right people to build the WWE's future (read: post-Cena) is with those 5!
You're forgetting a lot of names, none above Damien Sandow, but those five definitely have potential.
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Ah! Yes! I knew I was forgetting someone!
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Ah! Yes! I knew I was forgetting someone!
"You're welcome."
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I was hoping someone didn't let that opportunity pass! :lol
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My only problem with Ambrose is that he fights like a girl. :jets:
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My only problem with Ambrose is that he fights like a girl. :jets:
My only problem with Ambros is that he kind of tries way to hard to come off as weird and shit.
But like a girl? Gurrrllll you need to see his matches with William Regal those were manly as manly can be.
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Yeah, he really goes for the weird a bit too much, but on the mic, he's a beast!
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My only problem with Ambrose is that he fights like a girl. :jets:
My only problem with Ambros is that he kind of tries way to hard to come off as weird and shit.
But like a girl? Gurrrllll you need to see his matches with William Regal those were manly as manly can be.
It was just something I noticed during Monday Night RAW this week. :jets:
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Pretty much the best wrestling story: https://withleather.uproxx.com/2012/12/wwe-daniel-bryan-visits-kid-with-cancer-no-lock-video
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Pretty much the best wrestling story: https://withleather.uproxx.com/2012/12/wwe-daniel-bryan-visits-kid-with-cancer-no-lock-video
:'( :'(
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great story
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Well, I sure as shit hope you guys weren't watching the BCS and caught Punk's "Pipe Bomb 2.0".
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Well, I sure as shit hope you guys weren't watching the BCS and caught Punk's "Pipe Bomb 2.0".
The man is brillant on the mic....calls it like he sees it
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Yeah, last night he showed why I'm a CM Punk mark! That promo was amazing! And he and Rock really sold the match at Rumble with some great lines spat at each other.
Although it was funny seeing how CM Punk was "I don't need catchphrases or gimmicks" and Rock is spewing all of his catchphrases haha
EDIT: Also, something that made me rage about last night.
>Ziggler declares himself for the Royal Rumble
>He still has the MitB briefcase
Why why why does he still have it then?! Give him the WHT already damn it!
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Yeah, last night he showed why I'm a CM Punk mark! That promo was amazing! And he and Rock really sold the match at Rumble with some great lines spat at each other.
Although it was funny seeing how CM Punk was "I don't need catchphrases or gimmicks" and Rock is spewing all of his catchphrases haha
EDIT: Also, something that made me rage about last night.
>Ziggler declares himself for the Royal Rumble
>He still has the MitB briefcase
Why why why does he still have it then?! Give him the WHT already damn it!
He stated that he was entering the Royal Rumble or one reason to make sure Cena doesn't win it ....
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So I finally looked up why wrestlers can't call themselves wrestlers anymore after constantly forgetting to when I'm at the computer. The result is pretty sad. I remember during one of John Cena's promos, he turned to the back, said "I'm sorry" and said he was proud to be a professional wrestler. I was a tad confused at that when I saw it. I wonder how much he was fined for that. It's pretty ridiculous how much Vince has changed the WWE. I know it's his baby (lol MP) but does he really think that people are going to stop using or forget the term "professional wrestler"?
Vince McMahon Rebrands WWE: We Can’t Say “Wrestling” Anymore
April 11, 2011
By DailySkew
WWE CEO Vince McMahon once again has written history, created retroactive continuity, expunged the past, and created a new reality: the World Wrestling Federation is no more; the WWE is officially now…just the “WWE”. This re-branding is similar to what Kentucky Fried Chicken did when they re-branded themselves KFC, or Apple Computers subtracting the “Computers” part, or IBM, but with Vince McMahon the motivates are much more personal and skewed.
Vince McMahon has been phasing out reference to the word “wrestling” for years now. Ever since he testified that pro wrestling was really a sports entertainment in the early 1990′s, the seed has been planted. When his company went public in October 1999 (ironically the time when I lost interest as a daily fan of the product) McMahon seemed hellbent on expanding the company outside of wrestling as the core product.
And that’s fine; it’s smart to diversify.
The issue is that Vince ironically is embarrassed to be associated with what he mockingly refers to ‘rasslin’. Vince is not an old school personality- he is a rebel and an innovator and constantly evolves his company, which is why it’s pretty much unrecognizable to casual fans today. Oh, only but for one little detail:
the ‘rasslin’ in the ring, which they want to see.
Vince McMahon could produce movies, license video games, create reality shows, sell toys, clothes, accessories, magazines, books, produce online multimedia shows, and even attempt to expand into other ventures as he did with the XFL and World Bodybulding Federation back in the day, but the bottom line is that the only reason fans tune into RAW, Smackdown, purchase PPVs, DVDs, and online matches is to see PRO WRESTLING.
He can hide from it all he wants.
Just be careful if you’re an employee; you will probably get fined, disciplined, or fired if you accidentally refer to yourself as a “wrestler”, “wrestling champion”, or if you hold a “wrestling belt”.
Since last decade, Vince has ordered his employees to refer to themselves as “WWE Superstars” and even worse, outside the ring on news talk shows, they must call themselves “performers”.
Again, this reality rewrite attempts to dissociate the WWE from steroids, concussions, scandals, blood, Congressional regulation, state athletic rules, and the fact that the “performers” are still being paid as independent contractors and have no company health insurance. Another minor side benefit is that Vince in effect would eventually control the search engine traffic by phasing out all of the other “wrestling” sites. Remember McMahon loves to control all aspects of reality- there is no such thing as pettiness or small details to him.
Defenders of Vince McMahon’s branding of the WWE say that it is being blown out of proportion and that the product is actually not changing. These people are probably young and starting watching wrestling during the Monday Night Wars in 1996, and have no sense of the old territory system or how dominate the NWA and AWA were in yesteryear, i.e. no sense of history or pride in pro wrestling or pro wrestlers.
For old school grumpy old fans such as myself, this is just the latest miscarriage of justice and fountain of misinformation from Vinnie Mac. By the way, only true fans know who I just quoted (without searching the phrases in Google or Yahoo).
Anyway, with Vince McMahon officially taking the “wrestling” out of the WWE, does that mean TNA is now the #1 wrestling company in the United States?
And I think CM Punk just became my favorite wrestler... I mean WWE superstar.
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CM Punk is incredible. But I've never been LESS pumped for a road to wrestlemania. The Rock's going to win the belt, drop it at Mania and disappear again, and all of these "casual" fans will enjoy every second.
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True, but I've been thinking... if they're idea is to have Cena/Rock 2 at 'Mania, there's the (very, very slight) possibility that Cena could interfere in Rock and Punk's match causing Rock to lose (like Rock did to Cena in WM27) and Punk to keep the belt.
And you can say, wouldn't that make Cena a heel? Well, he's gonna get booed anyway in New York and he's basically a heel to anyone over the age of 10 as it is.
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True, but I've been thinking... if they're idea is to have Cena/Rock 2 at 'Mania, there's the (very, very slight) possibility that Cena could interfere in Rock and Punk's match causing Rock to lose (like Rock did to Cena in WM27) and Punk to keep the belt.
And you can say, wouldn't that make Cena a heel? Well, he's gonna get booed anyway in New York and he's basically a heel to anyone over the age of 10 as it is.
That would be a great scenario. I'm thinking that if they decide to do that, then they'd have Punk vs. Undertaker. Title (reign) vs. Streak.
I think Ryback winsthe Rumble and challenging whoever the World Champion is. (Hopefully in a match lasting longer than 18 seconds).
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Punk vs. Undertaker for the belt would be pointless, since 'Taker only wrestles once or twice a year now, so it's not like he is gonna suddenly go back to working full time to defend the belt (no way will Punk be the one to end his streak; he doesn't need the rub). And having him be the one to end Punk's long streak, only to drop it a day or a week later, would also be pointless.
Sadly, I think it is a given that Rock beats him for the belt at the Rumble and then faces Cena again at Wrestlemania. Which means this is all but set up to put the belt on Cena again. :tdwn :tdwn
I'd love to see them keep the belt on Punk for a few more months at least. It reminds me of several of Ric Flair's title reigns, where he always somehow manages to not lose the belt. In essence, it is like Flairs's 6th NWA title reign, which saw him as a face for the first nine months, and then he became a heel and held on to the belt by crooked means for another five.
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WHT changed hands on Smackdown's taping... to Kev's favorite wrestler Alberto Del Rio.
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That title is gonna look amazing around Alberto's waist.
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It'd look better on Zig
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GUYS GUYS GUYS
LOOKS LIKE EL GENERICO JUST GOT A CONTRACT OFFER FROM THE WWE.
BASED HHH.
I'M SO HAPPY. I HOPE IT'S REALLY TRUE.
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I'm gonna be so scared if that's true! They'll probably ruin his whole character!
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I'm gonna be so scared if that's true! They'll probably ruin his whole character!
Cesaro and Ohno are doing fine. Don't be so pessimistic dude.
Even if that happens, Generico deserves that WWE money.
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Cesaro is doing fine because he's so good in the ring! His gimmick is completely unoriginal and tired, though.
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Who is Generico? Is that his name or are you guys making fun of him?
And really? Big Show lost the title on a Smackdown taping?
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It's his name. I haven't seen a whole lot of him myself, but he's very talented from what I have seen. I wouldn't expect to see this particular move put to use in WWE, but... BRAINBUSTAAAAAHHH!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M3CRTrnuJk)
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I saw the ladder war match between El Generico and Kevin Steen from the ROH PPV in December... goddamn was that a great watch! Lots of great spots, with the highlight (for me) being this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoX-wI6XpOk#t=2m14s
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It's his name. I haven't seen a whole lot of him myself, but he's very talented from what I have seen. I wouldn't expect to see this particular move put to use in WWE, but... BRAINBUSTAAAAAHHH!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M3CRTrnuJk)
I can see the WWE not allowing a bunch of his moves.....brainbustaaahhhh....ring apron DDT....couple of his powerbomb type moves....since they seem to be concerned about concussions and such
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAMALhHCIAEjh9w.jpg)
lol
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Glad to see CM Punk is still tearing it up. Love that guy.
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That pic was from 6 months ago. The rock posted a pic on twitter of him rock bottoming CM Punk from monday, and one of his followers replied with the pic above.
CM Punk did have a pretty awesome TLC match with Ryback on Monday though.
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If anybody hasn't seen it, here's the "Pipebomb 2.0": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2CCLF7MKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHM3zNg44u8&list=UUKFeW9ygqXEvsfYY0x0ZlXw&index=2
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For a heel, Punk cares a lot about the other super wrestlers.
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https://pwinsider.com/article/74543/wwe-signs-top-independent-name-and-more-on-the-way.html?p=1
IT'S OFFICIAL.
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Well, after a rocky start with Mistico and Kharma, Triple H is doing a fine job signing new talent!
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Hopefully Kevin Steen is one of the other wrestlers they're looking at. Can you imagine Dean Ambrose,Seth Rollins,Daniel Bryan,El Generico,Kevin Steen and Antonio Cesaro in a Money in The Bank ladder match :omg:
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Eh. I don't know. The more time that goes on, the more I agree with this blogger, minus the TNA stuff that's mentioned (https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/community/entry.php?44396-Coffee-Talk-Interest-in-the-Wrestling-Industry-Quick-Sudden-Impact).
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Hopefully Kevin Steen is one of the other wrestlers they're looking at. Can you imagine Dean Ambrose,Seth Rollins,Daniel Bryan,El Generico,Kevin Steen and Antonio Cesaro in a Money in The Bank ladder match :omg:
It'd be epic as shit! But Steen's move-set is not very... WWE-friendly.
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Eh. I don't know. The more time that goes on, the more I agree with this blogger, minus the TNA stuff that's mentioned (https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/community/entry.php?44396-Coffee-Talk-Interest-in-the-Wrestling-Industry-Quick-Sudden-Impact).
Whoever introduced the suits in WWE to Twitter deserves to be kicked in the nuts everyday. I completely lost patience with WWE when the show became "all the trending hashtags, all the time."
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I'm more surprise at how much they've cut down on the Tout shit, especially since Stephanie sits on that company's board!
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This was cool for multiple reasons. Sandow is awesome!
https://www.wwe.com/videos/dx-and-kevin-nash-invade-the-nxt-taping-at-full-sail-university-26083612
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If anybody hasn't seen it, here's the "Pipebomb 2.0": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2CCLF7MKE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2CCLF7MKE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHM3zNg44u8&list=UUKFeW9ygqXEvsfYY0x0ZlXw&index=2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHM3zNg44u8&list=UUKFeW9ygqXEvsfYY0x0ZlXw&index=2)
I finally watched RAW last night (we DVR it every Monday) and this, HANDS DOWN, was the best part of the show. I may be getting bored with WWE right now, but not with Punk. :hefdaddy
"We'll go to commercial when THE CHAMP SAYS we go to commercial!" :metal
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAxORXVCEAA8YEc.jpg:large)
That picture is awesome for two reasons. It's CM Punk with fuckin' Al Bundy and... ED O'NEILL HAS A BLACK BELT IN BJJ!!!
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Someone said this at a wrestling community I go to, and I kind of see their point. Not to excuse Vince's bodybuilder as wrestler fetish, but when your "best in the world" champion looks like a spindly geek next to AL BUNDY, you can almost understand WHY he has it.
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Someone said this at a wrestling community I go to, and I kind of see their point. Not to excuse Vince's bodybuilder as wrestler fetish, but when your "best in the world" champion looks like a spindly geek next to AL BUNDY, you can almost understand WHY he has it.
Not to mention he has a WHITE belt.
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So basically, Al Bundy could kick the shit out of CM Punk with his hand down his pants.
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I laugh when people dog Punk for his size. Not everyone has to be a big meathead like Ryback (who can't wrestle a good match, unless carried, and can't give a good promo to save his life). Ric Flair and Steve Austin weren't big guys, by wrestling standards, either, and they were two of the four biggest stars the industry has ever seen. Not saying Punk is on the level of either, but size doesn't matter when you can wrestle as good and are as awesome on the mic as Punk is.
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I'm not one to judge on size. I actually like Punk and his mic skills are second to none.
Also, I love it when wrestlers break the fourth wall like Punk does. Worked shoots are my favorite kind of promos. John Cena does a good job of that too.
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That wasn't my point. I've been following Punk since his IWA days, I know how good he is, but when you see him looking puny next to a senior citizen actor, you can understand why Vince keeps going back to bodybuilder types. To Vince, they're what he thinks people see wrestling champions as being. There's also nothing wrong with the Ryback types. Wrestling has had big brawlers who exist strictly to wallop people into oblivion since Crusher and Dick The Bruiser. People seem to forget that the most important thing isn't moveset or promos or whatever, it's getting heat and selling tickets and merchandise. Punk does it with technical wrestling and awesome promos. Ryback does it by obliterating people. Cena does it by appealing to kids. None of the three methods are any better or worse.
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That wasn't my point. I've been following Punk since his IWA days, I know how good he is, but when you see him looking puny next to a senior citizen actor, you can understand why Vince keeps going back to bodybuilder types. To Vince, they're what he thinks people see wrestling champions as being. There's also nothing wrong with the Ryback types. Wrestling has had big brawlers who exist strictly to wallop people into oblivion since Crusher and Dick The Bruiser. People seem to forget that the most important thing isn't moveset or promos or whatever, it's getting heat and selling tickets and merchandise. Punk does it with technical wrestling and awesome promos. Ryback does it by obliterating people. Cena does it by appealing to kids. None of the three methods are any better or worse.
Excellent points. First and foremost (for WWE), it's a BUSINESS.
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Oh, I know, but I think a meathead like Ryback is gonna have a hard time having any kind of longevity in today's wrestling world, especially since promos are far more important and relevant than they used to be. Fans already seem to be bored with him, and while the "feed me more" catchphrase he was given will help him, I can't see him staying a main eventer for long. 20 years ago, he would have been a heel like the Warlord or Barbarian; a big musclehead with zero personality who looked imposing, but never came close to being a main event guy. But they are so hard up to find the next John Cena these days, they will seemingly try anything.
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So when you see one of the wrestlers whispering in the others ear a lot, is that how you know they're carrying the match?
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Not necessarily. I just think that is when they are calling the next move. You see that a lot when they are down on the mat, like when one guy has another in a chinlock or something.
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Not necessarily. I just think that is when they are calling the next move. You see that a lot when they are down on the mat, like when one guy has another in a chinlock or something.
Yeah I know that, but how do you know when the wrestlers like Ryback are being carried. He looks like he can hold his own. It would be nice if they gave him worthy opponents though, besides Punk. That TLC match was awesome. Like put him up against Ryblack or Kane or someone big like him.
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Some people are better at putting together a match in their heads and then coming up with a way to execute it than others are. Some guys work out the match backstage before they start, other guys have a vague idea of what they're going to do and wing it accordingly. The notion that a guy has to be carried to me shows a certain amount of contempt, because it argues that the other guy is there for the ride and the entire match's quality is strictly because of the awesomeness of the one guy who called the match. Ryback had to execute the match that was being called, after all, to use the current example. "He had to be carried to that match" is all too often the smart wrestling fan's code for "that guy I don't like is only good when someone I like wrestles him."
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Dear WWE writers,
Please grow some stones and do the right thing tonight. Keep that belt off of team Part time. You're gonna make your Mania money either way, so do the right thing. Heck if you want Rock vs. Cena again. Have Cena cost Rock the match tonight, much like Rock cost Cena the belt at WM27.
Sincerely, a much better writer.
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I hope so, DoC, I sincerely hope so!
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Dear WWE writers,
Please grow some stones and do the right thing tonight. Keep that belt off of team Part time. You're gonna make your Mania money either way, so do the right thing. Heck if you want Rock vs. Cena again. Have Cena cost Rock the match tonight, much like Rock cost Cena the belt at WM27.
Sincerely, a much better writer.
Exactly what I've been saying for months. If they're determined to give Rock the belt, at the very least have Punk retain tonight, and then let Rock win the belt in the Elimination Chamber.
Another thought I had, was that Rock gets the belt (although still preferably not tonight), and Cena beats him in an emotional rematch, only to have Ziggler cash in MitB and win the belt to end 'Mania
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Dear WWE writers,
Please grow some stones and do the right thing tonight. Keep that belt off of team Part time. You're gonna make your Mania money either way, so do the right thing. Heck if you want Rock vs. Cena again. Have Cena cost Rock the match tonight, much like Rock cost Cena the belt at WM27.
Sincerely, a much better writer.
Exactly what I've been saying for months. If they're determined to give Rock the belt, at the very least have Punk retain tonight, and then let Rock win the belt in the Elimination Chamber.
Another thought I had, was that Rock gets the belt (although still preferably not tonight), and Cena beats him in an emotional rematch, only to have Ziggler cash in MitB and win the belt to end 'Mania
The Money in the Bank Briefcase that Ziggler holds is supposed to be for a shot at the World Heavyweight Title. But they could bend the rules if they wanted Ziggler to cash in on the WWE Championship. But with that said, I don't think a Ziggler cash in would be how they want Wrestlemania to end, but we'll see.
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A Ziggler cash in for the WWE Title after he wins the World Title match he earns by winning the Royal Rumble is exactly how Wrestlemania should end. It also sets up Jericho to return which is always a good thing.
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Dear WWE writers,
Please grow some stones and do the right thing tonight. Keep that belt off of team Part time. You're gonna make your Mania money either way, so do the right thing. Heck if you want Rock vs. Cena again. Have Cena cost Rock the match tonight, much like Rock cost Cena the belt at WM27.
Sincerely, a much better writer.
Exactly what I've been saying for months. If they're determined to give Rock the belt, at the very least have Punk retain tonight, and then let Rock win the belt in the Elimination Chamber.
Another thought I had, was that Rock gets the belt (although still preferably not tonight), and Cena beats him in an emotional rematch, only to have Ziggler cash in MitB and win the belt to end 'Mania
The Money in the Bank Briefcase that Ziggler holds is supposed to be for a shot at the World Heavyweight Title. But they could bend the rules if they wanted Ziggler to cash in on the WWE Championship. But with that said, I don't think a Ziggler cash in would be how they want Wrestlemania to end, but we'll see.
Ah, forgot it was for one specific title. I think it would fit in with Ziggler's showoff bit (cashing in during the main event of Wrestlemania), and it could really solidify his move from the mid card to the top tier.
Still, this is the first PPV I'l be ordering in years, since my buddy usually hosts WM viewing parties. Also, I've got entrants #11 and 26 in a little Rumble pool I joined. If either of them win, last longest, last shortest, or have most eliminations, then I win some beer :metal
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I got a better bet for that, John Cena or the field. :lol In fact, this whole article is great for that: https://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8880450/a-bettor-guide-wwe-royal-rumble
There's some rumors going around that Ziggler's gonna cash at Mania and win the WHT from Del Río, that'd be great to see!
Supposedly, Carlito and Shelton Benjamin will be surprise entrants tonight.
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Dear WWE writers,
Please grow some stones and do the right thing tonight. Keep that belt off of team Part time. You're gonna make your Mania money either way, so do the right thing. Heck if you want Rock vs. Cena again. Have Cena cost Rock the match tonight, much like Rock cost Cena the belt at WM27.
Sincerely, a much better writer.
Exactly what I've been saying for months. If they're determined to give Rock the belt, at the very least have Punk retain tonight, and then let Rock win the belt in the Elimination Chamber.
Another thought I had, was that Rock gets the belt (although still preferably not tonight), and Cena beats him in an emotional rematch, only to have Ziggler cash in MitB and win the belt to end 'Mania
The Money in the Bank Briefcase that Ziggler holds is supposed to be for a shot at the World Heavyweight Title. But they could bend the rules if they wanted Ziggler to cash in on the WWE Championship. But with that said, I don't think a Ziggler cash in would be how they want Wrestlemania to end, but we'll see.
Ah, forgot it was for one specific title. I think it would fit in with Ziggler's showoff bit (cashing in during the main event of Wrestlemania), and it could really solidify his move from the mid card to the top tier.
Still, this is the first PPV I'l be ordering in years, since my buddy usually hosts WM viewing parties. Also, I've got entrants #11 and 26 in a little Rumble pool I joined. If either of them win, last longest, last shortest, or have most eliminations, then I win some beer :metal
Awesome. Enjoy.
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The Rock winning the title would be pointless since he'll be gone after Wrestlemania anyway. Punk is one of the greatest heels in the industry and needs to be champion a lot longer.
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If they do things the way I suspect they will, the three big matches at WM will all have predictable endings:
Rock vs. Cena (Cena will obviously win the rematch)
Lesnar vs. HHH (HHH will win since his ego has to let him get revenge, even though it's a feud no one cares about)
Undertake vs. Punk (Undertaker's streak will never end)
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Does anyone really care about The Undertaker anymore, including himself?
Do wrestlers usually walk around outside the venues or around town before the shows cause I live like 15 minutes away from the arena and am tempted to go see.
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If they do things the way I suspect they will, the three big matches at WM will all have predictable endings:
Rock vs. Cena (Cena will obviously win the rematch)
Lesnar vs. HHH (HHH will win since his ego has to let him get revenge, even though it's a feud no one cares about)
Undertake vs. Punk (Undertaker's streak will never end)
Agreed, agreed and agreed.
Hopefully they throw us a (good) curve ball.
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Does anyone really care about The Undertaker anymore, including himself?
Do wrestlers usually walk around outside the venues or around town before the shows cause I live like 15 minutes away from the arena and am tempted to go see.
There is a large contingent of Undertaker fans that will order the show just because he's on it.
In 2007, A woman that I worked with game me ringside seats to an Smackdown/ECW show because the Undertaker got injured and wouldn't be there. I'm glad that I went. I got to shake Chris Benoit's hand two months before.... you know.
You might be able to see some wrestlers early, but I'm pretty sure that by a certain time, they have to go to and stay inside the arena.
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Did he blow buggers at you?
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Did he blow buggers at you?
Nope. But Deuce threw a toothpick at me for heckling him.
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Speaking of Deuce and Domino, I've gain a whole new appreciation for Domino/Cliff Compton thanks in large part to Colt Cabana's Art of Wrestling podcast.
That Power Uti story was fucking gold!
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Dear WWE writers,
Please grow some stones and do the right thing tonight. Keep that belt off of team Part time. You're gonna make your Mania money either way, so do the right thing. Heck if you want Rock vs. Cena again. Have Cena cost Rock the match tonight, much like Rock cost Cena the belt at WM27.
Sincerely, a much better writer.
AMEN, dude! I'd LOVE to see that! :clap:
There's some rumors going around that Ziggler's gonna cash at Mania and win the WHT from Del Río, that'd be great to see!
Doesn't he only have until Wrestlemania to cash in, or he forfeits the briefcase?
Does anyone really care about The Undertaker anymore, including himself?
I know, right?
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There's some rumors going around that Ziggler's gonna cash at Mania and win the WHT from Del Río, that'd be great to see!
Doesn't he only have until Wrestlemania to cash in, or he forfeits the briefcase?
Technically no, since he won it in June and the briefcase is valid for a year.
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Ah, good point. I forgot about that, especially since MITB is no longer a part of 'mania.
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I got 2, 12 and 14 in my pool
Which means I got JERICHO!!!
Still think it's Ryback's match.
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JERICHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
EDIT: Nah, it's Cena's though I'm still rooting for the field.
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It seems like Ziggler has had that briefcase for a couple years now.
Also, does anyone think Vince hates the name Wrestlemania now?
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LIONTAMER! LIONTAMER!
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Is he Bobby Baby or whatever?
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Goldust ftw.
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Goldust's awesome! And he looks pretty slim too!
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I hope this is the start of a build for Cody vs Goldust at Wrestlemania like Dustin's been campaigning for.
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GODFATHER!!! HOES AND ALL!!!
EDIT: :lol
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GODFATHER!!! HOES AND ALL!!!
EDIT: :lol
Still, fucking awesome :lol
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Please God, let Cena be eliminated already!
Sandow just do it! And as you're being future endeavored tweet "You're welcome"
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Down to Ryback, Cena, and Sheamus.
... Go Ryback?
EDIT: Aaaand Cena wins. Hooray.
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WWE is going back to the status quo of Cena being champ...
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*Sigh*. I thought Ziggler had a shot for a while there. Also, I believe I won nothing in my pool (ended up with Sheamus and Orton).
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Yeah, because Cena needed that.
Good booking guys.
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Twice in a Lifetime, here we come.
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It was a good run, Punk.
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Please God let Punk win this. If only there was a group that dealt with injustices.
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Not thrilled about the Rock getting this spot.. but I will say that this should be one hell of a match.
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If Punk loses he should quit. How insulting is it to drop it to a guy who is only going to have it for a couple months and then drop it and disappear for another several years?
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CM Punk just put together the Spanish Announce Table!! This is why he deserves to win!
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THERE IS A GOD
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I'm actually waiting for the restart
EDIT: right on cue
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fuck
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Well, can't say I'm shocked.
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What a shame.
In Punk we Trust.
Team Part time wins the Gold... and it's all the casual fan's fault....
Can't wait until Saturday.... the very, very small fed that I book starts back up. I write better shit than this without even trying. But I don't have millions of dumbass fans to pander to. WWE = Business.
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Yeah, business-wise Vince couldn't be more stoke. He's gonna line his pockets this year now.
By the way, losing to the People's Elbow is just as lame as losing to Hogan's leg drop.
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^ Seriously. At least it could have been another Rock Bottom. Losing on account of an elbow drop = weak sauce.
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Hasn't there been talk of a new WWE championship belt? I seem to recall reading a rumor. If so, maybe Rock wins at Wrestlemania and leaves, thus retiring the (non)spinner belt and opening the door for the new belt.
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Orange County Choppers Rick Petko is rumored to have made a new one and they're just waiting for when to debut it. He tweeted a photo of it being made awhile ago.
https://distilleryimage9.instagram.com/13512a4eec8f11e1877122000a1e9e66_7.jpg
I'd say now would be the perfect time to debut it.
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JERICHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Oh man, I marked SO HARD when Jericho came out! Nice ink he's sporting too. :hat
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Lame. Predictable, but lame.
And I agree that the people's elbow is lame. One of the most lame finishers ever, but the Rock does it, so most think it's awesome.
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Lame. Predictable, but lame.
And I agree that the people's elbow is lame. One of the most lame finishers ever, but the Rock does it, so most think it's awesome.
It should be a towards the end of the match move/spot like the Five Knuckle Shuffle.
I mean, spinebuster. People's Elbow, stalk opponent as he's getting up, Rock Bottom, profit.
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So Punk dominates the match, but a people's elbow finishes him off? Ugh, I like The Rock, but that was a lame way for Punk to lose the belt.
So, I know youtube comments are braincell melters, but I read a few saying that that wasn't The Shield who interfered, with one saying it was Lesnar. Anyone think that's true?
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I didn't see any of last night's PPV (like I'd ever pay for a WWE PPV, and I was out all evening anyway), but I guess it's good that Punk dominated the match at least. Putting someone over doesn't always mean just losing to them. You can put someone over and still beat them. Many forget that Hogan used to put people over left and right in the 80s. Sure, he'd always "hulk up" and win the match, but he'd often make them look like a million bucks before that by getting dominated in the match.
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It was The Shield.
(https://puu.sh/1U0K3)
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Darn. It would have been cool if Heyman went super heel and betrayed Punk and went back to Managing Lesnar.
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Oh, he'll still manage Lesnar when he begins appearing again (I have a feeling he will appear tonight), because Lesnar doesn't know how to do promos so he needs him.
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I'm done with the WWE. Cena winning again rustled my jimmies beyond belief. Fuck them, I don't even care about who is champion now.
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I'm done with the WWE. Cena winning again rustled my jimmies beyond belief. Fuck them, I don't even care about who is champion now.
Welcome to me about 4-5 years ago. There hasn't been anything that's captivated my interest for a real long time. Very few good characters, no good story lines, no new talent development. Can't remember if there was any tipping point, but I pulled the ripcord on them a long time ago. Not sure they'll ever be able to recapture the magic of the Monday Night wars, or the Attitude era.
Toothless Agrression FTW!!!
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I mean, spinebuster. People's Elbow, stalk opponent as he's getting up, Rock Bottom, profit.
Or just pin them after the spinebuster.
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The Spinebuster isn't a finisher and Punk didn't take enough damage for that to finish him off.
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Whereas giving him fifteen seconds to recover and then hitting him with an elbow was enough to finish him off?
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No. Beating him with the elbow was retarded.
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Can we make a list of the lamest way to lose a match?
I've got the People's Elbow, Hogan's leg drop and Dusty's bionic elbow at the top so far.
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Can we make a list of the lamest way to lose a match?
I've got the People's Elbow, Hogan's leg drop and Dusty's bionic elbow at the top so far.
Bionic elbow is going to be tough to beat.
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Can we make a list of the lamest way to lose a match?
I've got the People's Elbow, Hogan's leg drop and Dusty's bionic elbow at the top so far.
Don't forget Scotty 2 Hotty's The Worm.
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Finger poke of doom.
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That wasn't lame, that was an insult to fans.
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Can we make a list of the lamest way to lose a match?
I've got the People's Elbow, Hogan's leg drop and Dusty's bionic elbow at the top so far.
Eh, at least Hogan's and Rhodes' finishers originated back in the early 80s, back when even a simple suplex or a body slam would often be a finishing move. Finishers have come a long way since the 80s, so for the people's elbow to be the main finisher of The Rock (who got big in the late 90s/early 00s) was pretty weak.
Personally, someone needs to bring back the Indian deathlock. :metal
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Many forget that Hogan used to put people over left and right in the 80s. Sure, he'd always "hulk up" and win the match, but he'd often make them look like a million bucks before that by getting dominated in the match.
I beg to differ. He never put anyone over. That was just his schtick, it was the same thing every match. Come out like gangbusters, the bad guy would get in a cheap shot and dominate for 5 minutes, then HH would "hulk up" and win with a leg drop. He didn't put anyone over, even when he lost.
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And the Texas cloverleaf!
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Did Sheamus stop doing that already?
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Many forget that Hogan used to put people over left and right in the 80s. Sure, he'd always "hulk up" and win the match, but he'd often make them look like a million bucks before that by getting dominated in the match.
I beg to differ. He never put anyone over. That was just his schtick, it was the same thing every match. Come out like gangbusters, the bad guy would get in a cheap shot and dominate for 5 minutes, then HH would "hulk up" and win with a leg drop. He didn't put anyone over, even when he lost.
I disagree.
Are you gonna tell me he didn't put The Ultimate Warrior over? Or The Undertaker (who was still kind of a weird heel until he beat Hogan for the title and became a bigger star)?
What about Randy Savage at WM V? Everyone in the world knew that Hogan was gonna win that match, but Savage came out of it looking as good as an ex-champion can possibly look.
He also worked programs, for example, with up-and-comers like Big Boss Man and Curt Hennig (who went on to have two long I-C title reigns after his feud with Hogan), instantly elevating them in stature in the WWF.
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Speaking of Undertaker and Hogan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWCT7rawj04
Can we make a list of the lamest way to lose a match?
I've got the People's Elbow, Hogan's leg drop and Dusty's bionic elbow at the top so far.
Bionic elbow is going to be tough to beat.
Dropping the Dime is pretty terrible.
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Are you gonna tell me he didn't put The Ultimate Warrior over? Or The Undertaker (who was still kind of a weird heel until he beat Hogan for the title and became a bigger star)?
Yes.
What about Randy Savage at WM V? Everyone in the world knew that Hogan was gonna win that match, but Savage came out of it looking as good as an ex-champion can possibly look.
Because Savage was 10 times the wrestler that Hogan was.
He also worked programs, for example, with up-and-comers like Big Boss Man and Curt Hennig (who went on to have two long I-C title reigns after his feud with Hogan), instantly elevating them in stature in the WWF.
Big Boss Man was a loser. Hennig was an all-time great. I don't think Hogan "put over" either one of them.
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Well, Vince took an F5, makes me feel a bit better for having a part-time champion.
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And got a broken pelvis in the process.
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Did he really break his pelvis or is that part of the storyline?
Also, when did they start censoring pay per views?
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Did he really break his pelvis or is that part of the storyline?
Also, when did they start censoring pay per views?
Ultimately, this injury is probably a work, allowing the company a chance to write Mr. McMahon off of TV and bring back Triple H to avenge his father-in-law.
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Yep, that's probably right.
And I guess you're speaking about Rock's "shit" and "fuck" being censored, well it's a family show now, remember.
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Why have Rock say punk ass bitch over and over if they're just going to censore it becaue it's a family show?
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Makes him look edgy. Gives PG haters a reason to cheer for him.
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Makes him look edgy. Gives PG haters a reason to cheer for him.
Pretty much.
It was all about making sure that the majority would be rooting for Rock throughout that match. When they announced that Rock was getting the title shot, Punk was more over as a face than anyone has been in years. So they went to work completely sabotaging Punk's character, making him go heel and suddenly unable to beat people without cheating.
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Which is funny because when Rock call Punk out the week before the Rumble, instead of doing the cowardly heel move of not going to the ring, Punk just rushed him! And then he didn't last night which was disappointing.
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And then he didn't last night which was disappointing.
I actually thought he made it pretty awesome, myself.
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Well, yeah! There's no doubt he's great on the mic.
By comparison, Cena's promo last night was the equivalent of a squash match. You know the outcome, you just have to sit through a lot of posturing first.
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Ultimately, this injury is probably a work, allowing the company a chance to write Mr. McMahon off of TV and bring back Triple H to avenge his father-in-law.
That was my guess too, but it sure looked like Vince didn't land right after being F5'd.
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Well he did land on his side. I don't think Lesnar has ever performed an F5 properly since the first time he did it.
Back to the censoring, I don't think it's fair to censor a PPV when customers are paying $60 for them just because it's PG. Being a PPV, it's up to the parent whether or not they let their kids watch it because PPVs usually mean anything goes cause it's not on cable.
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Well, Vince can't even sell a Stunner right, so I'm not surprise he landed awkwardly on the F5.
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Damn old fool. Linda still takes the cake as the worst seller ever. I know the wrestlers doing the moves are trying to be gentle, but she doesn't ever try. You'd think a woman married to a wrestling promoter would be more into it.
Kane's tombstone to her is still hilarious.
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Back to the censoring, I don't think it's fair to censor a PPV when customers are paying $60 for them just because it's PG. Being a PPV, it's up to the parent whether or not they let their kids watch it because PPVs usually mean anything goes cause it's not on cable.
I understand your objection, but as far as I know, the PPVs are rated PG, too.
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Well he did land on his side. I don't think Lesnar has ever performed an F5 properly since the first time he did it.
That's true too.
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Predictable Rumble, glad I never stayed up or bought it. I also called Brock to return when I heard Vince was evaluating Heyman. My prediction now is that Vince chooses Undertaker not HHH to face Brock.
Some fantasy booking of a few WM29 matches:
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The Rock v John Cena v CM Punk
Del Rio v Orton
Undertaker v Brock Lesnar (some gimmick/hardcore match)
AJ v Kaitlyn
Cody Rhodes v Goldust
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Just a few predictions of some seeds that have been planted.
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The Rock vs John Cena
Bathroom break (Divas Match)
The Undertaker vs Cm Punk
HHH vs Brock Lesnar
Randy Orton vs Sheamus (World title match)
Ryback and 2 other upper mid carders vs The Shield
Antonio Cesaro vs The Miz (Would be better if it was Chris Hero)
Kane+Daniel Bryan vs Sin Cara and Rey Mysterio
Dolph Ziggler vs Chris Jericho
The top 4 matches are pretty much set in stone by WWE. The bottom 4 matches seem like the most likely route they will take. But really they're irrelevant matches so it doesn't matter what they do.
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Where on earth is the Undertaker? I miss him being a regular. He's been showing up just for some epic WM match once a year.
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Taker is pretty much "break glass in case of Wrestlemania" these days.
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And it looks like him being on this year's Mania is looking doubtful now, reports are coming out that his hip is badly damaged.
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I am not sure why everyone is just assuming that Undertaker vs Punk at WM is a given.
The way Cena talked the other day, I have a suspicion the Rock/Punk rematch will be mired in controversy, to where the WM main event becomes a triple threat match: Punk vs Rock vs Cena. Punk deserves a high profile match at WM, not being stuck in some silly feud match with the Shield or Ryback or something like that.
If Undertaker really is too broken down to wrestle this year, then I think HHH/Lesnar now goes without saying. I suspect they would like to have done Undertaker/Lesnar if possible, but with 'Taker hurt, they can just slide HHH back into that spot and let him get revenge for his loss and for the attack on Vince.
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- Vince McMahon is legitimately having surgery done on his left hip soon. Vince has had a bad hip for some time now. The storyline injury from Brock Lesnar was done as a reason to take off for the surgery.
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Which doesn't make sense since if we're following continuity (which why I am doing this to wrestling?) he isn't suppose to have ANY power to fire people or anything like that, Triple H removed him from power last year...
So basically, there's not storyline reason needed for him to take time off.
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(which why I am doing this to wrestling?)
:lol Yeah, if you want to follow continuity, Vince shouldn't be there at all, seeing as he exploded in a limosine years ago.
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Vince thinks his viewers are stupid (and many would argue most of them are since they are watching wrestling in the first place :lol). They aren't supposed to remember anything. I mean, Ric Flair coming back should have meant him getting revenge on Randy Orton, since the last time Flair was seen on WWE TV was Orton punting him in the head inside the cage on RAW back in the spring of '09, but again, no one is supposed to remember anything. Kind of like how Vince's character goes back and forth between face and heel depending on the situation.
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David Shoemaker from Grantland.com called it best, Vince Ex Machina.
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Speaking of that Orton/Flair fight, that was Orton as his heel best. The way he gets in the face of Batista right after he punts Flair was awesome (5:00 of the clip below):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBPvP-hs-G4
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i'm hoping the surgery adds to Vinces' strut.....my kids and I die from laughter everytime he comes down the ramp
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Vince thinks his viewers are stupid (and many would argue most of them are since they are watching wrestling in the first place :lol). They aren't supposed to remember anything. I mean, Ric Flair coming back should have meant him getting revenge on Randy Orton, since the last time Flair was seen on WWE TV was Orton punting him in the head inside the cage on RAW back in the spring of '09, but again, no one is supposed to remember anything. Kind of like how Vince's character goes back and forth between face and heel depending on the situation.
Well Vince addressed and ended that storyline the next night after Benoit killed himself and his family.
But I've been saying that for years. Vince thinks the audience has the minds of goldfish and forget past storylines and gimmicks like Katie Vick and Amercan Badass Taker (or Taker in general) and rivalries.
It was awesome to see Shawn Michaels poke fun at the Katie Vick thing on Raw years ago.
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Apparently the WWE championship match at the Royal Rumble was literally worse than getting shot in the eye. (https://www.9wsyr.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=3920869)
(Wrestling relevance comes in the last 1:15)
:lol
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Well I've never been shot in the eye but I can see how The Rock winning could be worse than that.
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Follow-up video: the guy gets to talk to CM Punk on the phone. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1hVZV54a9M8#!)
Pretty cool stuff, if you ask me.
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That's really cool. :metal
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Follow-up video: the guy gets to talk to CM Punk on the phone. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1hVZV54a9M8#!)
Pretty cool stuff, if you ask me.
:metal
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https://www.wwe.com/classics/wwe-hall-of-fame/bruno-sammartino-announcement-26089325
About time he got over his childish grudge and let them induct him should have happened ages ago.
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I thought the CM Punk promo from a few weeks ago would've reinforce his grudge, at least he isn't as much a mark as Billy Graham.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hewFrqjtWFA
:lol :lol
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"Knees 2 signs"
I Lol'd
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So, let me get this straight...neither world title will be defended in the Elimination Chamber this year? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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So, let me get this straight...neither world title will be defended in the Elimination Chamber this year? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
The WWE Title is...
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No, I meant in the actual Chamber, not at the PPV. That is so lame.
Speaking of lame, this promo of The Rock's is so lame, I am browsing the 'net and are now barely paying attention to it while it's on in the background.
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Ah! I see what you mean.
It's like having a PPV call Hell in a Cell and only having ONE match inside it... oh wait they did that too!
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One thing about last night I enjoyed more than I should, "Dirty" Dutch Mantell on TV!!
Man, I used to loathe him when he was in the WWC!
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With that stipulation added for Sunday, we can only hope that Punk/Rock ends in controversy to where they have to make the main event of WM a triple threat between Punk, Cena and Rock. But given how dopey their writers are now, I am not counting on it.
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This would be the perfect scenario for paying The Shield to attack Punk in the match and create the controversy. Explicitly show Heyman telling them to attack Punk and then use some dumb wrestling logic to vacate the title or something.
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OK, seriously WWE! Why the fuck don't you have The Shield wrestle on Raw?! Everyone needs to see how good this guys are!
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No time for them to wrestle they need to have atleast 1 hour of John Cena, and 2 hours of showing what happened in the first hour.
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Mark Henry wrecking shit was amazing and Roman Reigns spear is brutal.
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Roman Reigns getting a "Game of Thrones" chant was pretty funny!
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Lackluster PPV. Tonight would have been the perfect opportunity to debut the new belt. CM Punk walked out of Raw with the spinner last week, Rock should have shown up with the new belt and said "You can keep that piece of spinner shit, I brought my own belt."
Then again, this is WWE. They'll probably wait for Rock to drop it to Cena and then he'll bring in the new one.
The Shield match was great.
Everything else was a yawnfest.
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Everything else was a yawnfest.
The chamber was pretty good. I was marking hard fr Henry and the crowd did too.
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What a debacle the Wrestlemania card is looking to be.
Vince is proving once again that he doesn't give two shits about his titles having any credibility. Jack Swagger wrestling in the world heavyweight championship match at the biggest card of the year? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Cena/Rock again....yawn. Unless they pull a swerve and put Punk in the match and make it a triple threat match, it will be lame. And predictable. Nothing like having a predictable main event to your biggest PPV of the year, eh?
The inevitable HHH/Lesnar rematch, which is merely for HHH to put himself over? Yawn.
And where does that leave Punk, Ziggler, Sheamus, Bryan, Orton, etc.? And don't give me Punk/Undertake as some sort of saving grace for Punk. That is another yawner.
I never buy WWE PPVs anyway, but if I did, I wouldn't even consider buying this unless things drastically change.
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Swagger must give some great head. How does a guy go from losing all his matches and then disappearing to being in a wrestlemania main event?
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I'm elated that Swagger's in the World Title Match, but yeah, being off of tv for so long, then coming back to win it is a little shady. Then again, it's better than if Orton would have won that match. Swagger & Del Rio will be the best built feud of any WM Match despite its randomness. Having Dutch cut promos will be hot.
I'm almost certain Punk will be in the WWE Championship Match, making it a triple threat match. There was enough controversy to warrant that.
I think that Dolph/Y2J is a gimmie, and it will be a fantastic match.
But yes, overall, this is shaping up to be a very forgettable Mania.
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Well, the good news is, considering how tonight went, it is almost certain to be triple threat at WM now. Cena/Punk next week will likely end in a double pin or something that results in them both being in the main event vs. The Rock. Plus, once WM is over, Cena and Punk can feud again. Cena/Punk is like the modern day Sting/Flair: a feud that is always good to resurrect on a regular basis.
Also, the new title belt is too gaudy, but I guess it's an upgrade. I still like the classic one from the late 80s the best. /nostalgia
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It doesn't spin, which instantly makes it glorious. But that flying eagle design man, an updated look of it would make such a great looking title!
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Also, the new title belt is too gaudy, but I guess it's an upgrade. I still like the classic one from the late 80s the best. /nostalgia
+1
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LOL, Swagger got arrested Tuesday after the Smackdown tapings with drugs in his possession.
LOL
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WWE star Jack Swagger was arrested last night in Mississippi, TMZ has learned -- after allegedly driving under the influence ... with pot in his car.
Sources close to the situation tell TMZ, Swagger -- real name Jacob Hager -- was leaving a "Smackdown" taping at Mississippi Coast Coliseum in Biloxi when he was pulled over for speeding.
According to law enforcement, the officer who pulled him over determined Swagger was driving under the influence -- and a search revealed Swagger was in possession of marijuana.
We're told Swagger -- a former WWE World Heavyweight champ -- was taken in by local sheriff's deputies ... and later released on his own recognizance.
We reached out to WWE, who tells TMZ, "Mr. Swagger is responsible for his own personal actions."
"Any WWE Talent, who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of drugs will be in material breach of his/her contract with WWE and subject to immediate dismissal."
Real American? More like a real dumbass why even do something like this during the biggest push of your career?
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What a dumbass. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
And this is what the WWE gets for giving the push of the century to a guy who hadn't earned it.
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So, 'Taker return last night at a house show and wrestled... there goes the triple threat match!
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Not if he wrestles Brock Lesnar.
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Ugh. Word is that 'Taker looks fat and out of shape, too. And some backstage reports indicate that Vince is bored with the Punk/Cena feud (yes, a feud that can always produce great matches is just awful :\ :\ :\), so I guess they are gonna go with just Cena/Rock and throw Punk to Undertaker to extend the streak. :tdwn :tdwn
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(https://www.sescoops.com/wp-content/gallery/taker-returns/taker-returns.jpg)
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Shit, he looks like Vader. :lol
His look has been going downhill for years now, but he's just looking really sad now. He needs to bust out one more good match, and retire before he becomes Hulk Hogan.
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That is very disappointing,
The first time I watched wrestling was the same year of the Undertaker's debut and I instantly became fascinated with him and he became and has always been one of my favorites, but seeing that is very sad indeed.
20-0 would have been a perfect opportunity to retire as a legend, but oh well.
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"Any WWE Talent, who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of drugs will be in material breach of his/her contract with WWE and subject to immediate dismissal."
I thought they helped talent out if they had addiction problems (Scott Hall)? Or did Hall completely deplete their rehab and legal fees slush fund?
The first time I watched wrestling was the same year of the Undertaker's debut and I instantly became fascinated with him and he became and has always been one of my favorites, but seeing that is very sad indeed.
20-0 would have been a perfect opportunity to retire as a legend, but oh well.
Completely agree and feel the same way. When Undertaker hit the scene, he was so unlike anyone else I had ever seen in the ring. The size, the entrance music, Paul Bearer and the urn, the whole package. I appreciate how he was able to evolve and stay relevant in an industry that is always changing. He obviously doesn't financially need to wrestle, and he doesn't appear to have a HHH-sized ego, so I am at a loss for why he can't go out 20-0 at Wrestlemania. Their last 2 matches would have been an amazing way for both of them to end their in-ring careers.
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GUYS GUYS GUYS I AINT EVEN MAD. THAT MATCH WAS A 5 STAR MATCH.
Too bad about punk having to step down for The Rock, can you guys Imagine that match at WM29 main event?
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Only CM Punk can get a 5 star match out of John Cena.
Undertaker vs Punk will be better even if The Undertaker's gut is too fat to box with god :hat
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Great match, but was there any particular reason why Cole referred to the crossface as the STF or was that just a mistake?
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Great match, but was there any particular reason why Cole referred to the crossface as the STF or was that just a mistake?
Not a mistake. The spanish feed also called it an STF. It's probably because of the Benoit thing and vince told them to not call the move by name.
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That was a great match, but it sucks that Punk is getting phased out of the title picture.
Also, that Lesnar/HHH segment was predictable. And lame. Especially when HHH wet his pants:
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
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GUYS GUYS GUYS I AINT EVEN MAD. THAT MATCH WAS A 5 STAR MATCH.
Too bad about punk having to step down for The Rock, can you guys Imagine that match at WM29 main event?
That was an amazing match!
From WrestleNews : Vince McMahon reportedly “blew a gasket” backstage at RAW last night during the CM Punk vs. John Cena main event. Word is that Vince got upset when Punk hit Cena with a piledriver, which is a banned move when done the way Punk did it. Vince was upset with Cena and Punk but because it was them, there will likely be no serious punishment.
Blood. Banned pile-drivers. Why can't all RAWs be of this caliber?
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He should be more mad at Cena's hurracanrana. :lol
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Can someone fill me in on why so many hardcore wrestling fans I know absolutely hate the Rock now?
I haven't been watching at all, but I used to love Rock 'n Sock back in the day. The Rock coming back was awesome, but not enough to get me back into wrestling. Apparently, his return has been a big disappointment for a lot of hardcore fans. Why?
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Because he's a part-time wrestler who's getting a championship run just because of who he is and is taking the spotlight away from the new/younger/full-time talent they have.
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Can someone fill me in on why so many hardcore wrestling fans I know absolutely hate the Rock now?
I haven't been watching at all, but I used to love Rock 'n Sock back in the day. The Rock coming back was awesome, but not enough to get me back into wrestling. Apparently, his return has been a big disappointment for a lot of hardcore fans. Why?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was with The Rock right up until the 1,000th episode of Raw, which was when he announced that he was going to wrestle for the WWE Championship at the Royal Rumble. Note the phrasing, because it's important: he announced that he was going to wrestle for the championship. It was that simple. There was no title hunt, no number one contender's match, no request, nothing. Just, "I'm The Rock, I get a title match."
And that's pretty much been the story of his return. He's The Rock, so he gets to host Wrestlemania. He's The Rock, so he gets to headline Wrestlemania. He's The Rock, so he gets a free title match. He's The Rock, so he gets to headline Wrestlemania for the second year in a row. Nevermind the fact that he's wrestled less than a dozen matches since returning two years ago - he's The Rock.
To me, at this point, it feels like the whole thing is just an ego trip for him. Meanwhile, wrestlers who are dedicated to the profession are having their dreams put on hold or crushed entirely while they take a back seat to a guy who isn't even there half the time.
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Eh, that sucks. When he came back, he made it sound like he was really coming back full-time.
Is he good on the mic still, at least?
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he still has his mic skills but alittle less harsh being the WWE PG theme now
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Is he good on the mic still, at least?
Oh, yeah. I'm not prepared to say he's as good as he once was, but he's still really good. (For the most part. He's had a couple of stinkers, in my opinion.)
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I thought his mic skills were awful at the Royal Rumble. Waffling on about some crap, it was just painful to watch.
I never did like him as a face though. He's much better as a heel, but of course they're not going to do that with him at this point. Plus the PG thing would ruin it anyway. What's he gonna say "candy-butt"? "Candy booty"?
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He's much better as a heel, but of course they're not going to do that with him at this point. Plus the PG thing would ruin it anyway. What's he gonna say "candy-butt"? "Candy booty"?
Yeah, The Rock as a heel needs to be edgy, and right now, PG haters cheer for literally anything edgy, so I'm not sure heel Rock would work too well. He'd just get more popular.
Rock: "Everyone in this audience is a bitch."
Audience: "OMG HE SAID BITCH HOOORAAAAAYY ROCKY ROCKY ROCKY!"
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Can someone fill me in on why so many hardcore wrestling fans I know absolutely hate the Rock now?
I haven't been watching at all, but I used to love Rock 'n Sock back in the day. The Rock coming back was awesome, but not enough to get me back into wrestling. Apparently, his return has been a big disappointment for a lot of hardcore fans. Why?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was with The Rock right up until the 1,000th episode of Raw, which was when he announced that he was going to wrestle for the WWE Championship at the Royal Rumble. Note the phrasing, because it's important: he announced that he was going to wrestle for the championship. It was that simple. There was no title hunt, no number one contender's match, no request, nothing. Just, "I'm The Rock, I get a title match."
And that's pretty much been the story of his return. He's The Rock, so he gets to host Wrestlemania. He's The Rock, so he gets to headline Wrestlemania. He's The Rock, so he gets a free title match. He's The Rock, so he gets to headline Wrestlemania for the second year in a row. Nevermind the fact that he's wrestled less than a dozen matches since returning two years ago - he's The Rock.
To me, at this point, it feels like the whole thing is just an ego trip for him. Meanwhile, wrestlers who are dedicated to the profession are having their dreams put on hold or crushed entirely while they take a back seat to a guy who isn't even there half the time.
All true, but blame Vince. If you are the Rock and Vince says to you, "I'll pay you a million bucks (or whatever) to just show up on occasion, and we'll even give you a title reign to boot," would you say no? Of course not. It's an easy payday. But it speaks volumes to Vince's lack of faith in the current roster:
-A guy who has wrestled four times in the last two years is now headlining his 2nd Wrestlemania in a row.
-You just brought back Brock Lesnar for a year, and instead of having him put over and up-and-comer, you had him job to Cena and (most likely) HHH (at Wrestlemania), two guys who don't need the rub.
-The Undertaker, despite looking fat and out of shape, will be given a prime Wrestlemania spot.
Meanwhile, guys like Punk, Ziggler, Bryan, etc. will be mere afterthoughts come Wrestlemania. It is awful.
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I thought his mic skills were awful at the Royal Rumble. Waffling on about some crap, it was just painful to watch.
I never did like him as a face though. He's much better as a heel, but of course they're not going to do that with him at this point. Plus the PG thing would ruin it anyway. What's he gonna say "candy-butt"? "Candy booty"?
He would say "Candy Ass". PG doesn't apply to The Rock he's making Vince, and the network a lot of money. So they really aren't going to care if he uses a few curse words on live TV.
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All true, but blame Vince. If you are the Rock and Vince says to you, "I'll pay you a million bucks (or whatever) to just show up on occasion, and we'll even give you a title reign to boot," would you say no? Of course not. It's an easy payday.
I'm not defending Vince, but The Rock is part of the problem, too. He had the power to dictate whatever terms he wanted for his contract. If he wanted to be there full-time, he would be there full-time. Think Vince would say no? If Rock said, "Hey, Vince, I'd like to wrestle on a weekly basis, get in a lot of great feuds, and put over a lot of young talent," would Vince say no? "No, Rock, I don't want any of that; I want you to wrestle five matches over the course of two years." Would Vince say that? Of course not. That's absurd. Vince would want to get as much use out of The Rock as he possibly could.
The Rock's working on his own terms. He shows up when it fits his schedule to show up. He wrestles when he feels like it, and he makes damn sure there's a championship involved when he does.
You said it yourself: it's an easy payday. It's a free ride in the spotlight. And if it wasn't an easy payday or a free ride in the spotlight, the Rock wouldn't be there. And yes, that bothers me a little bit.
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I blame both Vince and The Rock, for the reasons stated. If Rock wanted to show up to every weekly show, he could and would. But Vince no doubt gave him a cushy deal with very little minimum obligation.
Same deal for Brock. He's just in it for the money, and doesn't care about the wrestling.
And Vince will accommodate whatever they want, because they're the star power.
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The WWE really messed up Ziggler! He had an enormous amount of momentum after beating Cena at TLC! He should've cashed in within 3 weeks of that! But noooo, they stick him with Big E and AJ and that stable is going nowhere!
Also:
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I don't know why anyone would blame the Rock at all. He obviously still loves wrestling, and it just as obviously isn't his full-time source of income. It is only by the name and reputation he made for himself when he WAS a full-time wrestler that he can do such an arrangement now. And frankly, if Vince didn't think he needed him, he would never have agreed to it.
I've tuned in to RAW a few times since The Rock's return, and besides CM Punk, none of the other regulars held my attention. If they were better, then Vince wouldn't want the Rock back, because he wouldn't need him.
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I don't know why anyone would blame the Rock at all. He obviously still loves wrestling, and it just as obviously isn't his full-time source of income. It is only by the name and reputation he made for himself when he WAS a full-time wrestler that he can do such an arrangement now. And frankly, if Vince didn't think he needed him, he would never have agreed to it.
I've tuned in to RAW a few times since The Rock's return, and besides CM Punk, none of the other regulars held my attention. If they were better, then Vince wouldn't want the Rock back, because he wouldn't need him.
Yeah I actually agree with that. Everything I've seen after The Rock is pretty bad. John Cena comes off as a tool and his gimmick is absolutely horrible. Chris Jericho could have stepped up, but he never seems to get his "moment", and he's always been disappointing in that regard. And he's kinda ageing out, I think. Plus, there are a tons of boring guys who are maybe technically great but have no personality, like Randy Orton.
Wrestling's just really boring. The Rock isn't boring. Him coming back full-time might have got me to tune in more often, but considering his age and where he's at in life, I don't see why he would.
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Jericho always puts on great matches and has no problem putting over younger talent (like Ziggler last summer, or The Shield last week), so he plays his role very well.
As for the Rock, what is funny is that if Hulk Hogan did the same thing, abusing his power because of his star status, he would ripped beyond belief. Imagine if Hogan came back, showed up only here and there, was in the main event whenever he did feel like showing up, was just handed the WWE title despite not doing anything to even deserve the title shot, and went over Cena once and Punk twice, while not jobbing to ANYONE in the nearly two years since he has been back. My God, the backlash would be insane.
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I don't think it's a fair comparison. For one thing, Hogan got aged out of the business. He didn't leave while still in prime wrestling shape.
For another thing, he can't wrestle his way out of a paper bag. And never could.
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Okay, but the Rock is strictly a brawler just like Hogan, so why does that matter? It's not like being a great wrestler is necessary to be a big star, just like the great wrestlers almost never become the biggest stars (unless they have major star power, like Flair back in the day).
And most wrestlers leave not in prime wrestling shape anymore, so, again, how is that relevant? If they aren't having to retire early because of injuries (Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Rick Rude, etc.) or dying young (Curt Hennig, Chris Benoit, etc.), then they are hanging on way too long and finally having to retire because they physically cannot do it anymore; Hogan is certainly not alone in that regard.
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Okay, but the Rock is strictly a brawler
Is he really? I'd never think to call him that.
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The Rock is physically still in great shape. In fact, this situation appears to be unique, so I wouldn't compare him to anyone else, because it's never been done before.
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I wonder if a part-timer like Rock is subject to random drug testing, cause you gotta figure he is on something, being that huge and all. Plus, it is easier to stay in shape from a strictly physical standpoint (meaning, how you look) when you aren't on the road non-stop year after year. The fact that guys like Cena and Orton maintain their physiques despite the constant travel is pretty amazing.
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The Rock is physically still in great shape.
Correction, he's in a much better shape than he ever was!
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The Rock is physically still in great shape.
Correction, he's in a much better shape than he ever was!
Nah m8 he got gassed the fuck out during both of his CM Punk matches.
A part of me believes the Cena vs Punk match was Punk's way to say: "See? I should be main eventing. Not a past his prime movie start that can't keep up in a match for more than 5 minutes"
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The Rock looks better than ever, but he clearly isn't in great wrestling shape as compared to the old days (which is why, as you said, he gets gassed easily now); part of it is probably ring rust, too. Fortunately, Punk can get a good match out of almost anyone (similar to Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, etc. in the past), so their matches were still good.
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I wonder if a part-timer like Rock is subject to random drug testing, cause you gotta figure he is on something, being that huge and all.
WTF??
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So, supposedly, Vince was so mad about the piledriver spot that Arn Anderson almost got fired (he was the producer of the match, I guess). I watched a video of that spot and man it got a ridiculous pop!
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Vince needs to stop being so uptight what happened to Steve Austin was an accident. Cena obviously wasn't worried about breaking his neck again or he wouldn't have let Punk do it. So really it's a non issue that Vince is blowing out of proportion.
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- PWInsider is reporting that Undertaker vs. CM Punk is now penciled in for this year's WrestleMania and creative is scrambling to fast-track the match's storyline.
WWE creative is concerned with Punk losing the last two WWE pay-per-views and then again to John Cena. They feel a loss to The Undertaker at WrestleMania could really damage one of the two names who draw on the road currently, the other being John Cena.
20-1? I hope not but The Undertaker has been wanting someone ending the streak.
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I fear what another PPV loss can do to Punk, but he doesn't need the push of an Undertaker win at WM, unless they will throw him back into the title picture.
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I fear what another PPV loss can do to Punk, but he doesn't need the push of an Undertaker win at WM, unless they will throw him back into the title picture.
Dirtsheets were saying that Taker is up to going down clean for Punk.
Seriously if there is someone that could end the streak without getting backlash, it's Punk.
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Well, yes. But why not use that to push someone like Barrett to the main event?
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Well, yes. But why not use that to push someone like Barrett to the main event?
Because Barret is a black hole of charisma.
He needs to do his own thing before even getting close to getting that kind of rub.
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Well since Taker is so out of shape now, he better lose to Punk.
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Well, yes. But why not use that to push someone like Barrett to the main event?
Because Barret is a black hole of charisma.
He needs to do his own thing before even getting close to getting that kind of rub.
Randy Orton would like to have a word with you.
No, but seriously, there's gotta be something better for Barrett to do than to feud with Bo freaking Dallas!
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Well, yes. But why not use that to push someone like Barrett to the main event?
Because Barret is a black hole of charisma.
He needs to do his own thing before even getting close to getting that kind of rub.
Randy Orton would like to have a word with you.
No, but seriously, there's gotta be something better for Barrett to do than to feud with Bo freaking Dallas!
Randy Orton was a former WHC by the time his feud with Taker started. Also his gimmick worked with the streak, the legend killer thing was interesting and if anyone had to end the streak at that time, it should have been Orton, the Gimmick was worked specially to end up with a feud with Taker.
Barret, whats interesting about him?
Uh I guess he is British, yeah that's interesting.
And I guess his bare knuckle fighting background would be interesting if they actually went anywhere with it. Seriously what was the point of those promos if he doesn't even translate his background into the ring?
He wasn't even interesnting during the Nexus, the group was(At least during a brief period before Cena buried them at Summerslam)
Also his finisher is horrible. Chris Hero does it better.
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Talking about the black hole of charisma thing.
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Talking about the black hole of charisma thing.
Welp, at least Orton gets a (huge) reaction
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Then why didn't the creative team have Punk WIN one of the PPV matches then? I thought they had the power
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Talking about the black hole of charisma thing.
Welp, at least Orton gets a (huge) reaction
Barrett gets a huge reaction... from my pants.
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Talking about the black hole of charisma thing.
Welp, at least Orton gets a (huge) reaction
Barrett gets a huge reaction... from my pants.
Funny way to spell "Brad Maddox"
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Then why didn't the creative team have Punk WIN one of the PPV matches then? I thought they had the power
Right. It just shows how little they think ahead, and the fact that they are now scrambling to fast-track the feud shows how ill-prepared they are. :lol :lol
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Scott Hall then and now. One of my favorite wrestlers and its very sad to see it turn out that way.
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Talking about the black hole of charisma thing.
Welp, at least Orton gets a (huge) reaction
Barrett gets a huge reaction... from my pants.
Funny way to spell "Brad Maddox"
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Missed the Old School Raw, would have been nice to see The American Dream Dusty Rhoses, I loved him back in the NWA days, his feuds with the Four Horsemen were legendary. And of course the Honky Tonk Man.
Paul Bearer just passed away. Saw a picture of him recently and looked like he lost a ton of weight.
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RIP Paul Bearer.
You were one my favorite managers ever and always kept me entertained.
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So did Swagger only get suspended a week or something? How come Orton gets 2 months suspension for using steriods, but Swagger basically gets a slap on the wrist of a DUI and possesion?
Also, good call on the Taker, Punk fued.
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So did Swagger only get suspended a week or something? How come Orton gets 2 months suspension for using steriods, but Swagger basically gets a slap on the wrist of a DUI and possesion?
Because the WWE has to throw out the occasional suspension to make it look like they are actually testing their wrestlers, when anyone with a brain knows most of them are all still on something. And Orton didn't have any major feud going at the time last summer when it happened, so it was easy; hell, he probably enjoyed having the two months off. :lol Very different than Swagger right now, whom they already had booked for the WHC match at Wrestlemania.
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So did Swagger only get suspended a week or something? How come Orton gets 2 months suspension for using steriods, but Swagger basically gets a slap on the wrist of a DUI and possesion?
Because the WWE has to throw out the occasional suspension to make it look like they are actually testing their wrestlers, when anyone with a brain knows most of them are all still on something. And Orton didn't have any major feud going at the time last summer when it happened, so it was easy; hell, he probably enjoyed having the two months off. :lol Very different than Swagger right now, whom they already had booked for the WHC match at Wrestlemania.
lol WWE
lol me for continuing to watch it.
Also, you could hear Kane asking if CM Punk was alright during their match last night.
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I didn't see any of it last night except the last 10 minutes, but Punk now losing to Kane? Really? :facepalm:
Also, no Rock last night? What a shock. I would ask if is too much to ask him to show up every week to promote his WM main event since he is after all the (paper) champ, but it quite obviously is too much to ask. :\
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He was busy doing more important things, like promoting his new movie, so I don't think he was even in the country at the time (well relative to Raw that is, I think he actually was in my country).
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Ah, another one of his forgettable movies that most don't know or care about. But hey, gotta give Dwayne Johnson credit; he is making a helluva career out of acting in lame movies that make him a bundle of cash. :tup :tup
Ultimately, this is Vince's fault, as he is the one who pays guys like The Rock and Lesnar a ton of cash to be part-time workers (even calling them part-timers is generous).
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Ref threw up the X on more than one occasion last night during the Punk/Kane match ..they say he was immediately meet by training/medical staff afterwards
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While I don't like when WWE takes real life events as the King's heart attack and Paul Bearer's death and puts it in angle... this time it's actually to the benefit of the show. This gives the Taker/Punk feud some substance and what he did last night is sure to garner him some nuclear heat, which they've been wanted to give him since Raw 1000th.
Also, I know doing stuff like that is something that's been around for decades and Lawler himself did worse things when he had his own promotion in Memphis but there still needs to be a line!
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The line is no swear words or nudity.
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The line is no swear words or nudity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDa4A7v3-z0 (see The Rock's line at 1:03)
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That was WWF, and it was The Rock, so it's allowed.
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No, that was WWE. When they made that strap the Undisputed Champ title they had already been renamed.
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You're right. The mic had the WWE symbol. It sure did look like the Attitude era though..... Or Ruthless Aggression Era.... Everything is a blur.
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That has to be circa 2003, Rock mentioned Brock so that has to be leading up to their Summerslam match.
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What are you, some kinda wrestling fan? Knowin' dates and matches and shit.
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He's never been one of my favorite wrestlers, but I am super happy that after years and years of grinding, Bully Ray is finally a World Champion.
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Yeah, but who cares about TNA?
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Man, it's great to be one of the guys a company doesn't wanna lose desperately so you can make any demands you want when your contract is up!
Also, Brooke Hogan selling that angle on Twitter is absolutely hilarious!
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lol WWE
lol me for continuing to watch it.
You know... I've been agreeing with you a LOT today.
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lol WWE
lol me for continuing to watch it.
You know... I've been agreeing with you a LOT today.
o/
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Three weeks till their biggest event of the year and that is the best opening segment they could come up with for tonight's Raw? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Also, can they just give Cena a skirt and pom poms now and just call him a cheerleader? Cause that is all his promos are. Hype up the match by referring to himself in the 3rd person at least twice, get cheap pops outta the crowd by mentioning the local sports teams, later, rinse, repeat.
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Oh fuck you WWE! You're gonna put Ziggler in a WM match for the tag titles?! Could you have fucked up MORE all the momentum he had!
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Um doesn't he lose his title shot if he doesn't use his mitb contract by WM?
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no
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oh
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Keep in mind that MitB is its own pay-per-view now, not a Wrestlemania match. Ziggler won MitB in July, so he has until July to cash in.
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Thanks Jaffa. I'll just assume dimitrius fell asleep while typing and just so happened to hit post.
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No, I just literally answer your question which was "doesn't he lose the MitB contract?" "no"
:)
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Wise ass.
So WWE barely gets the bleep on CM Punk last night only to show a recap and not censor his "shit" the second time. Bravo.
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lol WWE
lol me for continuing to watch it.
You know... I've been agreeing with you a LOT today.
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After last night, if they don't make Cena lose at Wrestlemania and turn him heel, it'll be the worst mistake... the dumbest decision... It'll be typical WWE....
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After last night, if they don't make Cena lose at Wrestlemania and turn him heel, it'll be the worst mistake... the dumbest decision... It'll be typical WWE....
Don't forget that the NY will shit all over the match, shit all over Cena and possibly shit all over the ring.
I know they will fuck it up regardless and besides Cena is unsalvageable for a lot of people(like me) and turning him heel won't do anything. I just want him to go away forever.
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I don't hate Cena like most people. I do think his gimmick is tired and old, so any kind of change is welcoming. He's still entertaining to me.
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Supposedly Mark Henry and Ryback both bench pressed 225 lbs 53 times each at the Smackdown taping...not sure what the world record is, but the NFL combine record stood at 51
As much as the outcomes are scripted in wrestling some of these guys are just freaks of nature
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I don't hate Cena like most people. I do think his gimmick is tired and old, so any kind of change is welcoming. He's still entertaining to me.
To say the least. Like I have said before, he is basically a walking spokesperson for the company, as he comes out and basically wastes his promo time promoting the match, referring to himself in the 3rd person and acting like a cheerleader. It is embarrassing. And I realize he is probably just doing what he is told, but his act was old and tired years ago, yet he brings in the company too much money in merchandise, so they refuse to turn him. And they wonder why the product is mostly stale.
Also, whatever happened to guys actually trying to get out of a submission move? I didn't watch Miz/Barrett the other night, merely forwarding to the end to see who won. Miz puts the figure four on Barrett, and it literally took like two seconds for Barrett to tap out. I was like, to quote Miz, really? REALLY? That is what jobbers do, give up immediately. Legit upper and mid carders at least put up a fight for a short bit before tapping out. Or at least they used to. But I guess they don't want to drag a match out any longer, as that would give them less time to talk about twitter and show a replay for the 19th time. :\ :\ :\
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Supposedly Mark Henry and Ryback both bench pressed 225 lbs 53 times each at the Smackdown taping...not sure what the world record is, but the NFL combine record stood at 51
As much as the outcomes are scripted in wrestling some of these guys are just freaks of nature
Mark Henry was the Worlds Strongest Man years ago so really no shock there. I would be more interested in seeing John Cena try it. He's a lot stronger than Ryback, and definitely has more endurance he could probably get 55-60 reps.
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Also, whatever happened to guys actually trying to get out of a submission move?
I don't know, but personally, I think it's generally more realistic this way. Watch MMA. Watch Brock Lesnar tap out to Frank Mir. How long does it take him to submit once the hold is locked in? No time at all. Because when you're legitimately trapped in a painful hold, you don't always make a token futile effort to get out of it just to look cool. Sometimes you just want the other guy to get off you before he breaks your leg.
In WWE, I think it depends on the match. Sometimes you need an epic struggle, but not always. Sometimes living to fight another day makes a lot more sense in the context.
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Also, whatever happened to guys actually trying to get out of a submission move?
I don't know, but personally, I think it's generally more realistic this way. Watch MMA. Watch Brock Lesnar tap out to Frank Mir. How long does it take him to submit once the hold is locked in? No time at all. Because when you're legitimately trapped in a painful hold, you don't always make a token futile effort to get out of it just to look cool. Sometimes you just want the other guy to get off you before he breaks your leg.
In WWE, I think it depends on the match. Sometimes you need an epic struggle, but not always. Sometimes living to fight another day makes a lot more sense in the context.
But on the other hand, professional wrestling isn't about realism. It's about staging an exciting match, and having someone struggle to get out of a submission move creates tension and anticipation for the audience. If the person just give up immediately, there's no buildup, and it's just over. That's not very exciting, and all it does is make the person who lost look bad.
You can have a wrestler lose a match, and still come off looking good, like they put up a good fight. But WWE don't seem to care about that.
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But on the other hand, professional wrestling isn't about realism.
True, but for me as a fan, realism helps.
It's about staging an exciting match, and having someone struggle to get out of a submission move creates tension and anticipation for the audience.
It can, yes, but that doesn't mean that's what should happen every single time a submission move is applied. Like I said, sometimes you need an epic struggle. I just don't think every situation calls for it. Sometimes it helps to have someone just tap out quickly, because it gives the submission move credibility.
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But having that quick tapout completely invalidates any and every 'epic struggle'. We all know that true submission holds that are used (figure 4, sleeper, ankle lock) if they were REAL, people would be tapping or blacking out in a matter of seconds. So, attempting to inject any manner of realism into wrestling - sorry, "Sports Entertainment" - is unnecessary and detrimental to the entertainment product (IMO).
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Yeah, if we are gonna add realism to it, then applying the submission move shouldn't be that easy in the first place. I remember when Ric Flair used to spend a whole match working on an opponent's leg, so that when he did apply the figure-four, his opponent was good and softened up. Meanwhile, when Miz uses it now, he does almost nothing to set up for it, and then just throws it in, like it's just another random part of his move-set. In fact, that happens far too often lately. Hell, the other night when Rock and Cena had their confrontation, Cena tries giving Rock the AA just like that, which made zero sense since, if we are adding realism to it, any wrestler worth his salt would be able to fight out of it if they hadn't been softened up at all. Moves like the AA, GTS, etc. should only work on an opponent that has been worn down, as opposed to something like the DDT, Rock Bottom, etc., which are quick strike moves that can be delivered and realistically come off as effective in any circumstance.
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Yeah, if we are gonna add realism to it, then applying the submission move shouldn't be that easy in the first place. I remember when Ric Flair used to spend a whole match working on an opponent's leg, so that when he did apply the figure-four, his opponent was good and softened up. Meanwhile, when Miz uses it now, he does almost nothing to set up for it, and then just throws it in, like it's just another random part of his move-set.
That's why it always bothered me when the Rock used the sharp shooter. Bret Hart would spend the match working on the legs to win with that move, and that's what made it convincing when he won with that move, not just the move itself. If he tried applying the move earlier in the match, they'd struggle out or kick him, as would be believable.
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Yeah, if we are gonna add realism to it, then applying the submission move shouldn't be that easy in the first place. I remember when Ric Flair used to spend a whole match working on an opponent's leg, so that when he did apply the figure-four, his opponent was good and softened up. Meanwhile, when Miz uses it now, he does almost nothing to set up for it, and then just throws it in, like it's just another random part of his move-set.
That's why it always bothered me when the Rock used the sharp shooter. Bret Hart would spend the match working on the legs to win with that move, and that's what made it convincing when he won with that move, not just the move itself. If he tried applying the move earlier in the match, they'd struggle out or kick him, as would be believable.
That's called "ring psychology." We don't do that anymore.
Look! Pyro!
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But having that quick tapout completely invalidates any and every 'epic struggle'.
This is what I don't get. To me, having the quick tapouts makes the struggles that much more impressive when they happen.
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But having that quick tapout completely invalidates any and every 'epic struggle'.
This is what I don't get. To me, having the quick tapouts makes the struggles that much more impressive when they happen.
Barrett taps in a matter of seconds to Miz/figure-4. Let's say Miz puts Ziggler in it next week. What makes Ziggler's knee caps that much stronger that he can have an epic struggle. It makes no sense.
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But having that quick tapout completely invalidates any and every 'epic struggle'.
This is what I don't get. To me, having the quick tapouts makes the struggles that much more impressive when they happen.
Barrett taps in a matter of seconds to Miz/figure-4. Let's say Miz puts Ziggler in it next week. What makes Ziggler's knee caps that much stronger that he can have an epic struggle. It makes no sense.
I think it depends on the match, not on the person. Barrett taps out in a matter of seconds to the figure four in a non-title match on Raw. In an IC title match at Wrestlemania, Barrett endures more pain, because there's a lot more on the line.
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I'm finding it very difficult to muster up any enthusiasm for WM this year.
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Missed the last couple of Raw's. Is there any celebrity tie in's this year. I agree with Deb, its difficult to have enthusiasm this year for WM.
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Missed the last couple of Raw's. Is there any celebrity tie in's this year.
Not that I've seen so far.
I agree with Deb, its difficult to have enthusiasm this year for WM.
:hifive:
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P. Diddy.
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Seriously?! :tdwn
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I'll probably enjoy the Punk/Taker match. I'm looking forward to Fandango/Jericho in what will no doubt be the best wrestling match of the evening. I wish that Sandow, Kofi, R-Truth or someone else would have gotten the Jericho rub.
I'm also holding out hope that Cena will go heel via help from the Shield. What better display of Justice then getting the WWE Championship away from team part time.
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I'd love to see Cena go heel, but he probably won't for many of the reasons that've been previously mentioned.
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After watching his promo on Raw, I actually feel vaguely positive about the chances of a change for John Cena at Wrestlemania 29.
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Nah, he always gets booed a ton in certain cities, so I doubt they will turn him. But they should cause his act is as stale as 3-week old bread.
It will be funny though when the NY/NJ crowd boos the hell out of him after he beats The Rock for the title on Sunday.
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Nah, he always gets booed a ton in certain cities, so I doubt they will turn him.
Oh, I know some crowds are very anti-Cena. I just felt like he actually resented the heat a bit last night. Maybe that's just me being optimistic, but, I dunno. I thought I might have seen some signs of Cena turning on the crowd.
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They always tease a Cena turn when he is being booed out of the building. And I believe this Cena "heelish" promos are nothing but an attempt to get more buys for this shittly build WM. I seriously believe this is the worst build to a WM I have ever seen.
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If Cena does turn heel, do you think he'll do the Thuganomics gimmick or something new?
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What a horrible "go home" show! Except for the last bit, of course.
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What's a go home show?
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I seriously believe this is the worst build to a WM I have ever seen.
I barely watched any wrestling from the late 90s-early 2009, but it has been pretty bad. WM is supposed to be where long time feuds are settled, but aside from Lesnar/HHH, none of them have that feel. Neither Cena nor Rock seem that into their match; Punk is fighting Undertaker cause he won a fatal four-way; Swagger is fighting Del Rio cause he won the EC. The Shield has been nice and left Cena and Ryback alone since they now have other WM opponents. :lol :lol :lol Ho-hum.
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What's a go home show?
The last show before a PPV.
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I wonder if Paul Bearer ever said " When I die, you can use my death as a storyline in the most tasteless way possible".
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Vince McMahon once made fun of Jim Ross' bell's palsy; I doubt he gives a crap.
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I thought that happened on a different promotion.
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Nope. Vince did it live on RAW, last year, I think.
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Last year? I'm thinking of something from the Attitude Era or TNA or something. Someone was dressed up as JR. I've only seen a few second clip.
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Last year? I'm thinking of something from the Attitude Era or TNA or something. Someone was dressed up as JR. I've only seen a few second clip.
This may not be what you were are talking about, but Ed Ferrara used to dress up as "Oklahoma" and make fun of JR's bell's palsy. He even brought out BBQ sauce and everything. One of WCW's really low points.
(https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/228/924/oklahoma_display_image.jpg?1274148551)
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I wonder if Paul Bearer ever said " When I die, you can use my death as a storyline in the most tasteless way possible".
I don't know, but from what I read, his family signed off on this storyline.
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Last year? I'm thinking of something from the Attitude Era or TNA or something. Someone was dressed up as JR. I've only seen a few second clip.
This may not be what you were are talking about, but Ed Ferrara used to dress up as "Oklahoma" and make fun of JR's bell's palsy. He even brought out BBQ sauce and everything. One of WCW's really low points.
(https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/228/924/oklahoma_display_image.jpg?1274148551)
Yeah, that looks like him. According to Wikipedia, that happened during Vince Russo's reign, which I remember quite vividly, but I must have blocked this out, or just didn't get the reference at the time and forgot about it before I started watching WWF after WCW ended.
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Yeah, but Vince himself has made fun of JR's condition on the air. I remember something from the late 90s early 2000s where he did it.
Also, Paul Bearer's son posted he knew what was happening last night, they've been told beforehand (and OK'd it) but that it still shook him to see it happened.
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Yeah, but Vince himself has made fun of JR's condition on the air. I remember something from the late 90s early 2000s where he did it.
Also, Paul Bearer's son posted he knew what was happening last night, they've been told beforehand (and OK'd it) but that it still shook him to see it happened.
Do you... Browse /wooo/?
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Nope.
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I know you said you’re not playing a character earlier, and how you’re playing yourself, but a lot of fans continue to clamor for a John Cena heel turn. I know in the past you’ve said you’re against it, but what if it was the best written script possible, something that would completely change the landscape of WWE? Would you go full-out heel and make the kids cry for maybe a year, or is that just not in the plans?
"I just don’t see me getting there in order to please a very small group of 30-year-olds. To be very honest with you, every single week I meet kids with life-threatening illnesses and they’ll tell me how much I mean to them, and their parents will tell me how inspirational I’ve been to their kids. We raised a million dollars last year for breast cancer. I’m helping spearhead the Hurricane Sandy relief fund at this year’s WrestleMania. I’ve been able to give back to the military in Tribute to the Troops. And I’m currently working on a program to help America shave 5 million pounds. All of this stuff I would have to stop if I was a “bad guy.” To be a bad guy, you actually have to be a bad guy. I just don’t have it in me, personally. So although you might get a great story out of it for nine months, doing it would just take away so much, and I don’t have that club in the bag."
You also can't have a bad guy as the mascot for Fruity Pebbles.
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Considering almost every wrestler in history has at one point or another played a heel (except for rare exceptions like Ricky Steamboat), Cena is basically calling nearly wrestler ever a bad guy.
That aside, I get his point about how all of that charity stuff would be hard to do if he were a heel, and that is admirable, so it is hard to hold that against him. I just wish they would give him more of an edge as a face instead of the cheerleader "I will smile even when I am getting booed unmercilessly" act that has gotten so stale. He could still be a face, but play a different role.
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Considering almost every wrestler in history has at one point or another played a heel (except for rare exceptions like Ricky Steamboat), Cena is basically calling nearly wrestler ever a bad guy.
That aside, I get his point about how all of that charity stuff would be hard to do if he were a heel, and that is admirable, so it is hard to hold that against him. I just wish they would give him more of an edge as a face instead of the cheerleader "I will smile even when I am getting booed unmercilessly" act that has gotten so stale. He could still be a face, but play a different role.
Agreed, I wish he would adopt at least a little bit of the anti-hero persona. And not necessarily Stone Cold middle fingers to everyone, but I can't respect a character that let's himself get pushed around and who smiles during the booing. The Rock in his early incarnation was very similar to how cena is now. Mr. nice guy and the fans booed the shit out of him and then he finally got some backbone and fought back and got over big.
There's something profoundly wrong with this:
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But The Rock was able to turn it all around. The Cena character needs an overhaul.
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Flex Kavana > Rocky Maivia
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Flex Kavana > Rocky Maivia
Just no.
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CM Punk had two words for the "smart marks" whose delicate sensibilities have actually been disturbed by the Paul Bearer angle in the build towards his match with Undertaker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EqYTL1V9giE#t=595s
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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:rollin :rollin That's awesome!
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My predictions
Pre-Show
Intercontinental Title Match
Wade Barrett
Wrestlemania 29
Tons of Funk & The Funkadactyls
Fandango
Tag Team Title Match
Team Hell No
Ryback
Randy Orton, Shaemus & The Big Show
World Heavyweight Title Match
Alberto Del Rio (c)
BONUS - Does Dolph Ziggler cash in his Money in the Bank World Title Shot? No
No Holds Barred
Triple H
The Undertaker
WWE Championship Match
John Cena
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God I hope Dolph cashes in.
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God I hope Dolph cashes in.
I hope he does as well, but I have a feeling that they're going to have him in danger of losing his briefcase in July due to not having cashed it in yet.
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Ok, so back at the zenith of the Monday night wars when Raw was pulling 7's in the ratings, I noticed that the wrestlemania attendance numbers were pretty low compared to today. For example:
WM 14: FleetCenter (TD Garden); Boston, MA - 19,028
WM 15: First Union Center (Wells Fargo Center); Philadelphia, PA - 19,514
WM 16: Arrowhead Pond (Honda Center); Anaheim, CA - 18,742
with today's product doing 2's and 3's at the most these days, how the hell are they doing attendance numbers of:
WM 26: University of Phoenix Stadium; Glendale, AZ - 72,219
WM 27: Georgia Dome; Atlanta, GA - 71,617
WM 28: Sun Life Stadium; Miami, FL - 78,363
https://prowrestling.about.com/od/wrestlemania/a/wmthevenues.htm
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Lies?
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I think those figures from the 90s are sell outs as well, right?
I think the difference is that those 3 are basketball arenas compared to NFL stadiums. Even if you don't sell out those stadiums, they would've easily made over 20,000 anyway.
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I think those figures from the 90s are sell outs as well, right?
I think the difference is that those 3 are basketball arenas compared to NFL stadiums. Even if you don't sell out those stadiums, they would've easily made over 20,000 anyway.
True, I just would have thought that Vince would have held such high drawing events at venues that could have satisfied demand. Picking a 20,000 capacity venue just seems like it was a waste of potential money.
I'm sure there's a logical reason for his choice though.
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It balances out because he jacks up ticket prices for the smaller venues.
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21-0
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Spanish Announce Table 1, CM Punk/Undertaker 0
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21-0 :hat
Also I'm shocked Jack Swagger didn't break the Spanish announce table on principle.
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You don't see him and Zeb picking on Antonio Cesaro either.
Kinda of a... selective thing, have no idea why...
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Brock Lesnar/HHH-1, Spanish Announce Table-0 :hat
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If Taker is borderline crippled, why'd they make him win?
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Because he's the Undertaker and he doesn't job to anybody, not even God
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I'll bet you fuckers don't even know wrostling is fake. you fuckers. I loe you guys.
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There is a God!!!! A full time wrestler has the belt again..... Now please enough with team part time. Of all the full time wrestlers, Cena's probably my least favorite. But I respect the hell out of the man and any full time is better than any part timer with the exception of Jericho, who works Raws and Smackdowns when he's around, to help the younger talent.
Now push the hell out of the Shield.
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I'm done. Fuck Cena. Jumping ship to NJPW that delivered the best PPV of the weekend with a 5 star match.
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BTW, The Shield is still completely awesome! But man I can't wait until Seth Rollins gets a little more in-ring time to show how great he is! Right now he's kind of the "high flying/dangerous spot" guy in the group.
Ambrose is gonna be big, though!
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I'm done. Fuck Cena. Jumping ship to NJPW that delivered the best PPV of the weekend with a 5 star match.
Tanahashi/Okada? Those two don't know HOW to have a bad match. :lol
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I'm done. Fuck Cena. Jumping ship to NJPW that delivered the best PPV of the weekend with a 5 star match.
Tanahashi/Okada? Those two don't know HOW to have a bad match. :lol
Hell yeah!! I woke up at 3 am just to catch the Swagsuke Nagamura match and the ME. I was marking out so hard by the end of it.
In other news:
>This is all developing as I write this, but WWE is working re-write massive parts of tonight's Raw as The Rock is not there as originally planned.
>The word backstage is that he left for Los Angeles this morning. WWE sources indicate this caught the company completely off guard and there's a lot of heat on Rock at the moment.
>This is not a planned angle to sell Rock being upset over losing the WWE title. He was worked into their plans going forward and there had been talk of shooting a major angle with Rock to begin building Wrestlemania 30, possibly an angle with Undertaker or Brock Lesnar (we've heard both discussed but mostly Lesnar) and all that is out the window now.
https://www.pwinsider.com/article/76774/major-plans-for-raw-thrown-out-as-major-name-wont-be-there.html?p=1
Things I got from the ME:
The lack of Commentary between the HHH match and the start of the ME.
How out of it both men looked.
How The Rock seemed pissed off at the end.
How Cena looke like a smug cunt during his celebration.
How The Rock looked mad at the "muh respek" ending.
So maybeis just me, but I think The Rock hated the idea of putting Cena over like that. Or maybe we are getting worked for Cena/Rock III
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Overall I enjoyed the show last night for the most part, with the exception of the main event. I found it to be painfully predictable and very by the numbers. No surprises, it just plodded along.
and god help them if they are planning a cena/rock III because I had little to no interest in cena/Rock II.
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So, word is that The Rock bailed for LA this morning, leaving the WWE in chaos today, as he was supposed to be a huge part of RAW tonight.
:lol :lol :lol :lol if true.
If it's a work, well done, I guess.
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I abandoned watching RAW for quite a while now, mainly out of sheer boredom, but I think I'll tune-in tonight to watch the damage control.
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Screw the Rock. Hopefully he stays away until it's time for him to be inducted... but sadly, I think we'll see him at XXX.
For those who believe that a picture's worth a thousand words.....
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Instead of frantically figuring out how to build XXX tonight, maybe they should focus on tonight.... this week, and Extreme rules..... and the FULL TIME wrestlers.
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Screw the Rock.
If this is true, and the Rock really did bolt, this is what Vince gets for putting all of his eggs in the part-timers' baskets.
And let's be honest, if any of us were Dwayne Johnson, and Vince drove up to our house with a truckload of money and said, "Here's a ton of cash to work 8-10 times a year, only one or two of which will be actual matches," we'd all be like, "Where do I sign?"
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Another report:
Sources inside WWE exclusively inform WWE Examiner on Monday afternoon that Dwayne Johnson - The Rock - angrily walked away from tonight's show just hours before the live broadcast is to begin at the IZOD Center in East Rutherford, New Jersey.
The Rock, who lost the WWE Championship last night to John Cena at WrestleMania 29, is said to be personally fuming at how WWE handled last night's main event.
Allegedly, The Rock was supposed to defeat Cena only to have Dolph Ziggler cash in his Money in The Bank title shot, capturing the championship from a bruised and battered Rock.
At the last minute, we're told, WWE's creative team decided to give Cena the win. Although The Rock was furious, he agreed to proceed and wrestled the match and provided the outcome that was asked of him.
Complicating matters, according to the rumor mill Monday afternoon, is that The Rock was said to be personally insulted at the arrogance with which John Cena conducted himself at the event backstage last night.
WWE Examiner cannot confirm these rumors, but this is, in fact, what some are saying.
At this hour, it isn't clear if Johnson is in violation of his WWE contract, but there's a good chance lawyers are butting heads at this moment. To reiterate, this is not a storyline with WWE Raw. The Rock legitimately bolted from the company today and flew home to Los Anegeles.
Pro wrestling insider blog Rajah confirmed moments ago that there is "absolute chaos backstage at the IZOD Center in East Rutherford, New Jersey, site of tonight's RAW."
Former WWE Champion The Rock, who was scheduled to open the show and take part in a huge angle, reportedly flew home to Los Angeles this morning and will not be at the show. This is not part of a storyline - and WWE sources indicate that Rock's departure caught the company completely off guard.
The original plan was for The Rock to cut a promo about WrestleMania 29, only to be interrupted by Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman. Lesnar was going to attack The Rock and plant the seeds for a rumored WrestleMania 30 main event between the two.
Our sources also confirm that Vince McMahon and company are scrambling to figure out what to do with tonight's show and Brock Lesnar, who is now standing by without a purpose.
Curiously, The Rock hasn't uttered a single word on any of his social media accounts today. All profile background images of WWE-related content have also been pulled.
Something is, indeed, very wrong.
A knowledgeable industry source told WWE Examiner moments ago that he wouldn't be surprised if The Rock "is done for good with the WWE."
Do you believe the rumors or is there truth to a dramatic falling out between The Rock and the WWE?
I guess we'll know soon enough. It wouldn't surprise me if this were a work to create buzz to get more people to watch tonight.
But LOL at the idea that Ziggler cashing in against the Rock was even a possibility.
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I'm not a Dolph Ziggler fan, but at least that outcome would have been somewhat new and not so predictable.
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Screw the Rock.
And let's be honest, if any of us were Dwayne Johnson, and Vince drove up to our house with a truckload of money and said, "Here's a ton of cash to work 8-10 times a year, only one or two of which will be actual matches," we'd all be like, "Where do I sign?"
Absolutely.... can't blame him one bit.
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I figured his lack of wrestling was due to Vince not wanting him to be injured before Wrestlemania.
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And now WWE is stating that the Rock tweeted this:
In the middle of last nights Wrestlemania match I tore my abdomen & adductor muscles off the bone. Just part of the job. But as we know..
11:49 PM - 08 Apr 13
https://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/29/rock-injured-at-wrestlemania-29
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Nice try WWE, trying to spin that kayfabe non-sense. injury my ass.
and cena is already off to a heelish start, I'm curious to see where this goes.
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Raw is gonna be interesting...
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I know a lot of people are high on Ziggler, but I think he'd be the PERFECT candidate to be the first guy to come to the ring to take advantage of a weakened champion, turn in his contract, and LOSE. It has to happen sooner or later, and Ziggler's arrogant, show off personality is perfect for the job. He comes out, does a couple of push ups or sit ups, and gets cradled. It'd be fantastic. Either that or he's so enamored of having the briefcase that he forgets to turn it in. But I don't write wrestling in my head the way most people do. :lol
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I know a lot of people are high on Ziggler, but I think he'd be the PERFECT candidate to be the first guy to come to the ring to take advantage of a weakened champion, turn in his contract, and LOSE. It has to happen sooner or later, and Ziggler's arrogant, show off personality is perfect for the job. He comes out, does a couple of push ups or sit ups, and gets cradled. It'd be fantastic. Either that or he's so enamored of having the briefcase that he forgets to turn it in. But I don't write wrestling in my head the way most people do. :lol
Cena's already lost a cash in.
I think they'll string Ziggler all the way to MITB.
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All hail Dolph Ziggler :hat :metal
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That was the best moment on RAW in ages. The crowd popped like mad when he came out, when he hit his finisher, and when he got the 3-count. :hat :hat :hat
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That was the best moment on RAW in ages. The crowd popped like mad when he came out, when he hit his finisher, and when he got the 3-count. :hat :hat :hat
That was easily one of the loudest pops I've heard in a while. This crowd has been equal parts hilarious and awesome all night.
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All of Raw's momentum went right out the window with Shamus vs. Randy Orton, but the crowd is incredible
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The crowd humming Fandango's theme song was a stroke of sheer brilliance. I love those mad bastards.
As for Ziggler-I'll give them credit, they actually made Del Rio losing into the best two minute long match you could possibly have. What I was hoping for was Ziggler to be the first person to come out and lose to the destroyed champion, as Cena's loss, if memory serves, was in a normal match with time to prepare. Though I still think Ziggler being so fond of being Mr. Money In The Bank that he forgot to cash it in would be gold. :lol
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DOLPH ZIGGLER!!!!!
Holy shit what a pop when his music hit!!! You would've thought it was Stone Cold's music that hit! God I loved that pop!
EDIT: The crowd getting bored with the Sheamus/Orton match and chants random things?? AWESOME!!
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So, was that a heel turn by Ryback or not? The crowd treated him like a king for laying Cena out, but the announcers treated it like a heel turn.
Also, no appearance by Punk tonight means the rumor about him taking time off after Wrestlemania to let some injuries heal is likely true. The good news is, they can plan an epic return for him, probably sometime in early summer/late spring.
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So I missed an amazing crowd?
Welp Chose a wrong day to quit WWE. But not really, Cena is still there being all status quo as fuck. Glad for Ziggyman tho, I'm gonna look for the clip on youtube.
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Dude, the crowd was so worth watching Raw! Even when the only boring match happened (Sheamus/Orton) the crowd more than made up for it!!
Also, Ziggler used to date comedian Amy Schumer and I love that she did this: https://twitter.com/amyschumer/status/321432944197656576
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Isn't she the one who said in an interview that sex with Ziggler was difficult because he was too athletic? :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
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I think the quote was that she broke up with him because the sex was too athletic. :lol
Wouldn't that be the best possible break up you could have??? :rollin
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It's nice that she actually watches wrestling. She wans Zigglers D back.
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reports yesterday was that Punk injured his leg pretty badly, when he gave the flying elbow to the Taker on the announcer table and the table didn't collapse as planned...insiders were shocked he was able to continue the match as well as he did
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Ryback has balls. He always speaks his mind. In interviews he said The Rock and Cena basically need to fuck off, because is time for the new comers.
And flipping off the Main Man of the company on a PG show on live television requires Balls. Respect.
In other new a friend of mine showed me a video of the crowd singing Fandango's theme. Amazing.
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Ryback has balls. He always speaks his mind. In interviews he said The Rock and Cena basically need to fuck off, because is time for the new comers.
And flipping off the Main Man of the company on a PG show on live television requires Balls. Respect.
I really hope the office was paying close attention, cause when your brand new WWE champion gets laid out flat and the crowd cheers the hell out of the guy that put him there, then I think the writing is pretty much on the wall.
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Ryback has balls. He always speaks his mind. In interviews he said The Rock and Cena basically need to fuck off, because is time for the new comers.
And flipping off the Main Man of the company on a PG show on live television requires Balls. Respect.
I really hope the office was paying close attention, cause when your brand new WWE champion gets laid out flat and the crowd cheers the hell out of the guy that put him there, then I think the writing is pretty much on the wall.
Naw, they'll just book Ryback as a heel and have Superman Cena overcome him while giving the crowd that "gee whiz" smile, like he has for eight years.
I actually feel bad for Cena. He HAS to be tired of playing that stale ass character, that interview he did about not being able to turn heel notwithstanding. That reeked of company bottom line bullshit to me, not what Cena actually wants.
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Ryback has balls. He always speaks his mind. In interviews he said The Rock and Cena basically need to fuck off, because is time for the new comers.
And flipping off the Main Man of the company on a PG show on live television requires Balls. Respect.
I really hope the office was paying close attention, cause when your brand new WWE champion gets laid out flat and the crowd cheers the hell out of the guy that put him there, then I think the writing is pretty much on the wall.
Keep in mind that this was in NJ, who has one of the smartest crowds in wrestling. I don't think WWE will put a lot of stock into that.
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You also have to factor in that a lot of people probably traveled for both the Wrestlemania and RAW shows, so you had more "smart marks" at both shows. And they were louder last night cause a smaller arena is gonna make the crowd noise more contained, as opposed to an open air stadium, thus it will be louder on television.
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I wasn't really feeling Fandango at all, apart from knowing Johnny Jeter was a really good athlete they way WWE stalled his in ring debut really made me not care for him...
BUT, that crowd last night, dat fuckin' crowd!
After Raw is off the air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3X6SOc-1nfY#!
On the trains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8rif1Bu8CD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L8_9BpmFWoA
Yeah, I'm rooting for him now
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"Every Internet wrestling fan has been preaching about all of the Superstars they want to see pushed and all of the matches they would love to see. The era of the WWE Universe may have been ushered in during a Monday Night Raw in New Jersey. After a lackluster WrestleMania, it was a godsend.
Let's just hope Greenville, S.C., matches the intensity next week. New Jersey can't do this alone."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1599093-raw-review-how-wwe-possibly-ushered-in-a-new-era-on-monday-night-raw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRpdVFXRshQ
I've literally watched that about 4 times now, because a) Ziggy finally cashed in and b) that fucking pop!
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Anyone up to making a list of all the chants throughout the night?
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Anyone up to making a list of all the chants throughout the night?
I saw a video on Youtube the other day that had them all compiled, but unfortunately it's been taken down now. That might be your best best to find something similar though.
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The Undertaker was said to be doing fine after WrestleMania 29, considering his physical condition. Despite the tease with The Shield on RAW, word is that he isn't expected to wrestle anytime soon.
* Fandango comes out next. Many fans are singing his theme song again but not nearly as many as RAW. Fandango stays at ringside to watch tonight's main event.
Hoping this is a sign that it's going to catch on with every crowd like the YES chants.
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Speaking of injuries...
CM Punk was reportedly hurting badly following his match with The Undertaker at WrestleMania 29 last night. Punk did a spot during the match where he jumped off the top rope with a flying elbow onto The Undertaker and the announcers table - which didn't break.
Many backstage were shocked Punk could continue the match at the pace he did. WWE is well aware that Punk has nagging injuries and is burnt out (even by his own admission) so expect to see him on a reduced schedule going forward for a while.
From a recent interview with the Busted Open Radio Show on Sirius 92:
"I think I have a real problem with admitting if I'm burnt out or anything like that. That's just based off my work ethic. I don't ever admit when I'm hurt and I don't think a lot of the great guys have, because the show is going to go on. Obviously I'm miles away from where I was in the indies where if I didn't work I didn't eat and it's not a fact that I'm worried about losing my spot or anything like that. This is just all I know; just go, go, go. That's just me. I put so much pressure on myself so I think that it all kind of stems from that. Am I burnt out? Probably. It's difficult for me to even say that, maybe, maybe I am."
If you rewatch the match (yes, it can be found on YT already), his leg clearly was bothering him for the rest of the match following that elbow drop to the table.
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Speaking of more injuries Triple H wrestled with 2nd degree burns at WM.
(https://ringsidenews.com/file/pic/photo/2013/04/37109a76a09c5000226b89a3d084c94b_1024.jpg)
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I saw the crap on him during the entrance and figured it was residue from the stuff he walked through, but I thought it was just suds or foam or something. But it did look like he hesitated for a moment before continuing his entrance, so OUCH.
Considering how awful his match was, I wish he'd just stopped right there, but I guess good on him for being enough of a trooper to continue the match.
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So a burn victim and a knocked out guy wrestled a match... no wonder it was so clunky.
I don't remember them all but some of the chants from Monday:
ECW
JBL
RVD
Michael Cole
Jerry
End this match
Thank you Big Show
One more chair
We are awesome
Bullshit
Same old shit
Sexual chocolate
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So a burn victim and a knocked out guy wrestled a match... no wonder it was so clunky.
I don't remember them all but some of the chants from Monday:
ECW
JBL
RVD
Michael Cole
Jerry
End this match
Thank you Big Show
One more chair
We are awesome
Bullshit
Same old shit
Sexual chocolate
OLE OLE
And Singing Fandango's enterance music as well
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Mike Chioda
HBK
Goldberg
We want Ziggler
Holy Shit
Undertaker
USA
I believe thats the rest of them could be missing 1 or 2 though.
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Let's not forget:
Randy Savage
What was amazing was that Jerry Lawler verbally acknowledged that chant, as you know Vince tells them not to mention him since they never acknowledge that CM Punk's flying elbow drop is his tribute to him.
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Let's not forget:
Randy Savage
What was amazing was that Jerry Lawler verbally acknowledged that chant, as you know Vince tells them not to mention him since they never acknowledge that CM Punk's flying elbow drop is his tribute to him.
So what really is the deal with Vince's macho hate. I don't put much stock into the Stephanie rumors, but I would think the catalyst would be more than just the slim jim thing.
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It's probably one of the two things, but reliable sources said Vince was very hurt when Savage bailed on him and went to WCW in the mid 90s. But it is Vince's own damn fault. He had one of the best in-ring talents the business has ever seen and he was wasting him by having him do color commentary instead of actually wrestling. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: The fact that Vince didn't induct Savage the last two years, after his death in May 2011, just shows how petty and small he is.
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No it doesn't Vince wanted to induct Randy but his brother said he had to induct the whole family with him so thats why he didn't.
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Because that apparently was Randy's wishes, to induct the Poffos, not Macho Man.
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Thanks for the chants, guys.
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Stumbled across this, this morning and got a good chuckle
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/564643_586608841358721_551924867_n.jpg)
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Fandango got chokeslammed by Daniel Bryan on the Smackdown tapings! :lol
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Well I'd rather see that than Undertaker vs John Cena.
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It's spreading. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGgvBfbohQ0)
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Looks like the lame crowds and awful storylines are back already, neither of which is a surprise. Someone let me know when CM Punk comes back.
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Looks like the lame crowds and awful storylines are back already, neither of which is a surprise. Someone let me know when CM Punk comes back.
Agreed and its really a shame, because it was really nice to have Wrestling be fun again. Oh well.
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Oh dear, the memories!
Anyone who actually owned the inaugural WWF album, raise your hand!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtCtZ5x9EJI
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Yeah, that sure brings back some memories. never had the album, but watched the cartoon on Saturday mornings. Oh... the memories. Uncle Elmer!!! King Tonga!!
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One Christmas I got the cassette version of the WWF album plus that crappy Hulk Hogan work out set.
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Oh dear, the memories!
Anyone who actually owned the inaugural WWF album, raise your hand!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtCtZ5x9EJI
My brother still has it.
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Ric Flair just made my day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCxWUKMJfEI
Its a compilation of him going nuts.
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WOOO!
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:rollin :rollin
I lost it at Jay Lethal and Flair trying to out-Flair each other! :rollin
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Pretty weak Raw, but AJ Lee's using an octopus hold now, so I'm calling it a good night.
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Pretty weak Raw, but AJ Lee's using an octopus hold now, so I'm calling it a good night.
(https://i.imgur.com/OUfbq9D.gif)
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Nattie Neidhart doing the same thing I thought!
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I had wondered how long it would take someone to gif that.
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Greatest wrestling gif ever.
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That gif is mesmerizing
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That gif is mesmerizing
The fans in the front row agree.
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https://youtu.be/EuAKfG9JOns
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https://youtu.be/EuAKfG9JOns
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Yeah, wrestling was in a really weird spot in the early 90's. Robocop and sting in WCW and fuckin Doink the clown in WWF. Thank god the late 90's were so much better.
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https://youtu.be/EuAKfG9JOns
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Yeah, wrestling was in a really weird spot in the early 90's. Robocop and sting in WCW and fuckin Doink the clown in WWF. Thank god things finally turned around for at least a while.
I thought Chucky on WCW was bad, but Robocop?
... OK Chucky is definitely worse, but that Robocop segment was still redonkulous. Plus, his leg piece started falling off towards the end.
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I love how the door to that fake ass cage pops open when Robocob barely touches it. :lol
And damn, I almost forgot about Chucky :facepalm:
and while we are on the subject of WCW's dumb ass idea's, let's not forget OZ...
(https://digitaldailyfix.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/wcw-oz.jpg)
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What about the "Chamber of Horrors" cage match with Abdullah getting the "shocking" loss at the end. If you havent seen this classic from Halloween Havoc 91, check it out on youtube.
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Well that kind of match definitely wouldn't happen today.
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https://youtu.be/EuAKfG9JOns
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That is the greatest thing I have ever seen from WCW.
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The Shockmaster is still the worst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5oMiqJRVqs
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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The Shockmaster is still the worst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5oMiqJRVqs
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Unreal lol. Even if he didnt trip, that would have been a piece of shit gimmick. Maybe it was all on purpose.
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The Shockmaster is still the worst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5oMiqJRVqs
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Unreal lol. Even if he didnt trip, that would have been a piece of shit gimmick. Maybe it was all on purpose.
I don't know how a glittery Stormtrooper helmet could possibly be intimidating. :lol
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https://youtu.be/EuAKfG9JOns
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Yeah, wrestling was in a really weird spot in the early 90's. Robocop and sting in WCW and fuckin Doink the clown in WWF. Thank god the late 90's were so much better.
Dude, when Doink first appeared it was awesome! How it was a maniacal, It-like, clown was great! When the WWF turned him face they ruined him!
Also, yes! Never forget Kevin Nash as Oz!!
And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JODV1xJNlrU
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And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JODV1xJNlrU
I remember when we hired this PPV when I was a kid, to see the debut of The Undertaker, and we thought that the Undertaker was going to hatch from the egg. :lol
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The Shockmaster is still the worst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5oMiqJRVqs
:rollin :rollin :rollin
How Sid kept character and didn't piss himself laughing I'll never know.
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Speaking of Sid and laughing, Hall and Nash laughing at him after this promo botch is awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qhGF4C_GjQY#t=5s
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That one is a classic!
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Sid is like "the little engine that could" of wrestling. Don't get me wrong I still do like him, despite him burying himself from time to time. Here's one of my favorites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbsByHVAMpM
You've got to love him though:
1. Shitting his pants at WM13
2. Flubbing lines left and right
3. Mangling the shit out of his leg that one time in WCW
Nobody does it better.
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The most memorable thing about Sid for me is that awful botch from off the turn buckle. I watched it live, and it still grosses me out.
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I didn't have the pleasure of seeing it live, but holy hell did that look like it hurt.
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I should clarify, I saw it live on TV, but man it was no pleasure.
I've only been to one live wrestling event, but it was pretty cool, even from the nose bleeds. It was the night DDP was revealed to be The Undertaker's stalker, (which I totally called since for some reason I knew how DDP stood (creepy)) and also Benoit and Jericho doing a Crossface and Walls of Jericho to Stone Cold at the same time.
Oh, and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TuFxR-p6Co
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Apparently everybody who loses to the Black Widow is going to tap out on AJ's ass.
I approve.
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Layla even grabbed AJ's ass! imokwiththis.jpg
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Layla has also dived head first wqith her mouth open into Beth Phoenix's boobs.
And she has grabed Kaitlyn's boobs too.
She gets really touchy feely in the ring.
And I'm ok with that.
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Layla even grabbed AJ's ass! imokwiththis.jpg
You don't say...
(https://i.minus.com/ibrkY19KO3v4rM.gif)
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Ryback has gotten better at talking on the mic, but what he says is pretty lame. His insulting of the audience was very forced. No exaggerated heavy breathing so that's a plus.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nWn2pFaow&feature=player_embedded#!
After seeing this, it is still amazing to me that Daniel Bryan isn't getting more of a push right now. He is awesome in the ring and is as over with the crowd as almost anyone right now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nWn2pFaow&feature=player_embedded#!
After seeing this, it is still amazing to me that Daniel Bryan isn't getting more of a push right now. He is awesome in the ring and is as over with the crowd as almost anyone right now.
They should definitely split up Team Hell No. I want to see Kane be the big red monster/machine again. He should bulk up and turn heel.... But keep his damn mask on.
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More awesomeness from Bryan this past week. He actually got a good match out of Ryback. Great sequence here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0cgI444Y5j8#t=6622s
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Bryan is a total ring general; fans love him and he always puts on a great match. Time for a mega push.
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They're definitely setting him up for a big push probably a feud with Ryback for the WWE Title. While thats going on Cena can take a page from CM Punk's book and fuck off for a few months.
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He can stay fucking off for all I care and hell yes, my main man D-Bry (/BookerT) needs to be pushed!!
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Will Cena drop the title to Ryback, you think?
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Doubtful. Ryback is too one-dimensional. He would be a boring champ, and would likely just have it so Cena could just win it back again shortly thereafter.
I read a rumor that Cena/Bryan could be on the horizon at Money in the Bank in July. That is the smartest thing they could do, as it would be capitalizing on the momentum of Bryan, who is mad over with crowds right now.
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Yeah I just read possible spoilers regarding Money in the Bank which confirms what you said. I guess I'd rather see that than Ryback as champion, even though he's a generic "insult the crowd" heel, I still find him entertaining.
On a side note, I wish the triple powerbomb wasn't so obvious in being assisted by the victim. It's painfully clear and this bothered me even as a kid.
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Between Daniel Bryan and the Shield all getting a lot of TV time lately, it's not a bad time to be watching Raw. Looking forward to Bray Wyatt and co. debuting as well, as I've heard a lot about them.
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Watch NXT. WWE's found lightning in a bottle with what that show has evolved into.
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Is there any way to watch it that doesn't involve Hulu Plus? I'd really like to see El Generico and Chris Hero!
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Is there any way to watch it that doesn't involve Hulu Plus? I'd really like to see El Generico and Chris Hero!
What? El Generico went back to Mexico to help his little kids, I don't know what you are talking about.
https://www.desirulez.net/showthread.php?t=551743
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Was browsing a wrestling news site, and learned that Mark Starr passed away. While I don't remember him, it said he was Chris Kanyon's tag partner. Then I find out Kanyon died back in 2010. Damn, didn't even know that.
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Watch NXT. WWE's found lightning in a bottle with what that show has evolved into.
Does Bray Wyatt still do the sequence where he sort of dances his opponent out of the corner to set up for his finisher?
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He got called up to the main roster, so I guess you'll find out?
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Yeah, I realize, I'm just curious.
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Yeah, I realize, I'm just curious.
I think so, but he is not gonna be able to do it on the main roster because the Reverse STO is Fandango's finisher.
Same goes with Ohno when he moves up the roster. Fuck Wade Barret, he even stole the fucking armband for fucks sake..
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I think that's more management than the wrestlers themselves.
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Skimmed through RAW, and it looked like a good one. Punk is back and gonna be feuding with Lesnar, Ziggler finally turns face, Mark Henry going after Cena for the title and a nipple slip by Kaitlyn. :lol :lol
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Skimmed through RAW, and it looked like a good one. Punk is back and gonna be feuding with Lesnar, Ziggler finally turns face, Mark Henry going after Cena for the title and a nipple slip by Kaitlyn. :lol :lol
OH RLY?
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Yep, it was quick, and as they were panning back to her, the screen went black for a second or two, and by the time it came back, she had pulled her top back up far enough.
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I like me some Kaitlyn. My favorite diva fo sho.
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Pretty sure I caught a 'We Want Puppies' chant when Stephanie and AJ were in the ring. :lol
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Yep, and at Payback during Cena and Ryback's match there was a "you both suck" chant which is never good for a main event. The biggest pop was when Cena jumped off the turnbuckle into the lumberjacks. As others have said, I thought Punk and Jeicho's match was kinda sloppy.
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I didn't see Payback, but the 'you both suck' chant doesn't surprise me at all. :lol
I have to say, though, I thought tonight's Raw was really good. Lots of interesting stuff going on.
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I'm downloading Payback just because I want to see the match by Punk/Jericho. When I first heard that Ziggy lost the title I almost went apeshit until I realized the way they did was to turn him face and WWE is obviously keeping him around the main event spot.
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Last night's ending was awesome. Kudos to Randy Orton for putting Daniel Bryan over like that, tapping out to the Yes-lock or whatever it is called these days. :tup :tup
And because the Blackhawks beat the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals, CM Punk won a bet with John Cena:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNk3rk2CYAA_Ydp.jpg:large)
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That's cool :lol
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John Cena looks like a He-Man action figure.
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So, completely unrelated to WWE, but I was channel surfing and I flipped to one of the TNA shows, so I watched the last twenty minutes of the program and I see that Bubba Ray Dudley is the World Champion and the son of Hulk Hogan. Really?!
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They're building up to Hulk Hogan vs Bubba so Hogan can win the title, and TNA wonders why they're failing.
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TNA is so lame. Sting's Joker gimmick was retarded, and before that they had Kurt Angle being afraid of Scott Hall... WWE has its retarded moments, but I just can't take TNA seriously.
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but I just can't take TNA seriously.
Me either. Its like a lame caricature of Wrestling, rather than a real promotion. Everything about it feels contrived, and man brook hogan is annoying.
Its a shame, because for a minute there, back a couple of years ago, I was hoping they would provide at least some competition to Vince. Oh well.
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The Only good thing TNA has done in like 7 years is the push for Bobby Roode and the subsequent title match between Austin Aries and him.
The rest is shit, as usual.
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My thoughts regarding the Wyatt Family debut last night.
The crowd? They paid for their tickets, and can cheer, boo, chant, play with their phone or do anything else within reason. That is, what it is.
Who I'm very disappointed with is the writing team. They had this stable built up spectacularly to the point where there was near unanimous interest in a redneck gimmick (tell me when the last time that's happened). What ensued was one of the very worst, nonsensical debuts in federation history. IF YOU ADVERTISE A STABLE TO BE THERE, YOU PLAN A SEGMENT OR MATCH FOR THEM. It makes absolutely no sense for their appearance to consist of a post match attack. That's basically the WWE saying we promised you a debut, but didn't put time on the show for the actual debut, the group made time for themselves, which would have made a lot more sense if their debut was unannounced. As for the debut itself, awesome all night build up..... only to have two guys beat up Kane while the other one sits on his rocker. How lame was that? I could have pulled a better debut out of my ass.
With that said, I'm still high on the group and hope that the writers put as much effort and creativity into the execution as they did the buildup.
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All of that build-up for a redneck stable headed by Husky Harris?? :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I loved that the crowd was doing a Husky Harris chant.
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I like that kind of stuff if for no other reason that it reminds Vince that even though he treats the fans like idiots who have no memory (like when HHH fired him as chairman and Vince left the ring in tears, and then boom, Vince shows up as the chairman again, like it never happened), many are not as stupid as he'd like to think they are.
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Yeah, I have absolutely no interest in this Wyatt crap.
I'm just glad that Vickie finally got tired of disgracing the Guerrero name.
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Being booed because you are legitimately really annoying is not the same as getting booed because you are doing a great job as a heel; Vickie was obviously the former, not the latter. It's unbelievable that they let her stay on TV as long as they did.
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During the Wyatt Family debut, this is the first thing that came to mind:
(https://celebrationtowncenter.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/skinner-145-wwf-1991-merlin-italian-version-wrestling-trading-card-45869-p.jpg)
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Being booed because you are legitimately really annoying is not the same as getting booed because you are doing a great job as a heel; Vickie was obviously the former, not the latter. It's unbelievable that they let her stay on TV as long as they did.
I'm sure Vince thought she was the greatest heel in wrestling history.
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Yeah, Vince thinks that just because someone gets a reaction then he/she is doing a good job! He doesn't care if the reaction is because of X-Pac Heat.
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My thoughts regarding the Wyatt Family debut last night.
The crowd? They paid for their tickets, and can cheer, boo, chant, play with their phone or do anything else within reason. That is, what it is.
Who I'm very disappointed with is the writing team. They had this stable built up spectacularly to the point where there was near unanimous interest in a redneck gimmick (tell me when the last time that's happened). What ensued was one of the very worst, nonsensical debuts in federation history. IF YOU ADVERTISE A STABLE TO BE THERE, YOU PLAN A SEGMENT OR MATCH FOR THEM. It makes absolutely no sense for their appearance to consist of a post match attack. That's basically the WWE saying we promised you a debut, but didn't put time on the show for the actual debut, the group made time for themselves, which would have made a lot more sense if their debut was unannounced. As for the debut itself, awesome all night build up..... only to have two guys beat up Kane while the other one sits on his rocker. How lame was that? I could have pulled a better debut out of my ass.
With that said, I'm still high on the group and hope that the writers put as much effort and creativity into the execution as they did the buildup.
What?
The debut was great, everything worked the entrance was great, the screams Wyatt got when he was finally walking down the ramp and then they took out Kane.
THeres obviously something bigger going on other than just taking kane out.
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There better be, because if they're just gonna take out random people then that's something The Shield already did.
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Wyatt Family VS The Shield
Shield face turn lol
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Wyatt Family VS The Shield
Shield face turn lol
They can still be heels, or something like hired guns to take out the super evil cult.
It could be pretty cool.
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Wyatt Family VS The Shield
Shield face turn lol
They can still be heels, or something like hired guns to take out the super evil cult.
It could be pretty cool.
"Heel vs Heel? Who will the kids root for? You're fired!" - Vince
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They root for John Cena when he takes both groups out by himself just like Nexus.
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John Cena defeated Nexus by himself? Well I guess that means The Shield are going to be jobbers pretty soon.
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YOU GUYS WATCHING THIS?!?!
I'm marking out so hard right now!
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YOU'RE WELCOME!
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Cool matches, but the obvious set ups in the the ladder matches were embarrassing, ie Wade Barrett setting up for Fandango.
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Loved Punk and Lesnar on Raw.
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Anyone else think it was intentional that they had two segments on Monday, just days after the Zimmerman verdict, where three white guys beat up one black guy? Knowing Vince and his warped thinking when it comes to stuff like that, it was likely done on purpose.
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Can't wait til the Wyatt family gimmick fails horribly. So dumb and boring.
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Anyone else think it was intentional that they had two segments on Monday, just days after the Zimmerman verdict, where three white guys beat up one black guy? Knowing Vince and his warped thinking when it comes to stuff like that, it was likely done on purpose.
I wouldn't put it past him.
Can't wait til the Wyatt family gimmick fails horribly. So dumb and boring.
You might be waiting a while. They seem to be the hottest thing going right now. We'll see if it's sustained.
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No, Daniel Bryan is the hottest thing going right now. It ain't even close. Listen to that pop he got at the end of Raw Monday night. No one else gets pops like that anymore, except for CM Punk on occasion.
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Yeeep! Kev's totally right! Punk's gets them on "smart" audiences like NY, Philly, but Bryan gets it EEEEEVEEEERYWHEEEREEEE!
Except that Raw 2-3 weeks ago where the crowd was just a bunch of corpses.
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The reaction Bryan got its AE.
If the WWE doesn't pull the trigger on him they would have fucked up ONCE AGAIN, and If they do put Cena over that would make more harm for Cena(Is it possible anymore?) than good.
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I'm just terrified that they'll give Bryan the win at Summerslam, only to have Orton cash in on him and win. That would make me a sad panda.
Also, the Wyatts are awesome.
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The thing is, if Bryan wins at Summerslam that's exactly what I believe will happen!
Bryan wins, get's a minute or two of feelgood then Orton cashes in, wins, turns heel and Bryan feuds with him until Elimination Chamber and never wins back the title. :/
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It kind of reminds me of when Jeff Hardy won the title from Edge only to have Punk cash in on him. And the thing is, that moment was huge - for both of them. Punk got a platform for an awesome heel run, and Jeff Hardy fans doubled down in their support for him. It ended up leading to a pretty great feud between the two of them.
Of course, if Bryan never gets the title back, that'll be disappointing. But the idea of Bryan beating Cena and then Orton cashing in... I dunno. It could go horribly wrong, but it could lead to something great, too.
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If they screw Bryan over again with the belt, then I guess Vince's hatred of him would be real and not storyline, which is pretty messed up.
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No, Daniel Bryan is the hottest thing going right now. It ain't even close. Listen to that pop he got at the end of Raw Monday night. No one else gets pops like that anymore, except for CM Punk on occasion.
Yeah, I poorly worded my thought. I meant to say that the Wyatt Family is the hottest new thing going, now that everyone has gotten off of Fandango's theme song.
Daniel Bryan is the best of all worlds. The kids love him and his character. The wresting purists love his ability. And he's got the easiest catchphrase to chant since "What?"
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We'll see if it has the same kind of staying power! :lol
It kind of reminds me of when Jeff Hardy won the title from Edge only to have Punk cash in on him. And the thing is, that moment was huge - for both of them. Punk got a platform for an awesome heel run, and Jeff Hardy fans doubled down in their support for him. It ended up leading to a pretty great feud between the two of them.
True, but they're both on Smackdown and it's pretty obvious they give them more of a leash there.
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on the Wyatt/ Kane attack
https://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2013-07-15/bray-wyatts-hidden-message-uncovered-26133018
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This Punk/Lesnar/Heyman stuff is looking really promising to me. Loved Punk and Heyman tonight.
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Bryan and Cesaro.....
YES! YES! YES!
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Bryan and Cesaro.....
YES! YES! YES!
That was an outstanding match. One of the best I've seen on tv in quite some time. DB is just a machine
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I was hopeful they'd put Cesaro and Ohno (Chris Hero) back together as The Kings of Wrestling when Ohno was called up... but now that was put on hold indefinitely :/
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I was hopeful they'd put Cesaro and Ohno (Chris Hero) back together as The Kings of Wrestling when Ohno was called up... but now that was put on hold indefinitely :/
That would be so much better than Cesaro/Swagger.
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They could do some great matches with The Shield.
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Pretty good (and very long) interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7byiiAk7oA
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Pretty good (and very long) interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7byiiAk7oA
I love a good shoot interview.
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Please... let Daniel Bryan win the belt and walk out with it.
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Watching a stream of SS right now. :)
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This is such a Fandango crowd. I love it :heart
and holy shit, look at Shawn Michaels, WTF?
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Why couldn't Lesnar and Goldberg put on a match like that?
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Because one of them wasn't CM Punk.
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Why couldn't Lesnar and Goldberg put on a match like that?
That lesner/goldberg match is/was painful to watch.
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"you still suck" chants :lol
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im. fucking. speechless.
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I did not see that coming.
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Ending was awesome.
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This is gonna become one of the most historic nights in the history of the WWE.
Perefect ending. Goddamn I was so happy for Bryan and now I hate trips and Orton.
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Perfect ending. Extremely predictable.... but perfect none the less.
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Triple H turning heel was predictable? Wasn't he feuding with Vince who was heel? How does that work?
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Good swerve
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Daniel Bryan / Cena match was awesome, but having HHH in the match was a downer from the start, and the outcome was painfully predictable. I did not predict Bryan would have a good clean victory over Cena though! A pleasant surprise. It looked like Cena had to adapt his style to work around his injury a bit, and it turned out for the better against Bryan. Both guys put on a good show.
The audience was beautiful. :heart
CM Punk / Lesnar was a great one too, although again a predictable ending. Such a good match, that it made no difference though.
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Hottest thing going in the summer of 2011: CM Punk. HHH throws himself right into the middle of that story.
Hottest thing going in the spring of 2012: Brock Lesnar. HHH throws himself right into the middle of that story.
Hottest thing going in the summer of 2013: Daniel Bryan. HHH throws himself right into the middle of that story.
And some wonder why so many people hate HHH.
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Perfect ending. Extremely predictable.... but perfect none the less.
^This. I literally called it last Monday night when HHH put himself in the match. I told my wife "Bryan is gonna win, then HHH will hit him with the pedigree and Orton will cash in."
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Perfect ending. Extremely predictable.... but perfect none the less.
^This. I literally called it last Monday night when HHH put himself in the match. I told my wife "Bryan is gonna win, then HHH will hit him with the pedigree and Orton will cash in."
I haven't watched Raw in weeks but when I read HHH was involved I saw the ending coming. :rollin
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Yeah.... the thinking is, if Triple H is reffing the match, he's doing so for a reason.
I agree with just about all of this article.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1743120-wwe-outsmarted-the-smartest-fans-with-triple-h-heel-turn
WWE outsmarted the “smartest” of its fans with Triple H turning heel at SummerSlam.
I keep reading “Triple H can't stay out of the spotlight” or, “Triple H is burying Daniel Bryan.” These fans wouldn't know the meaning of buried in wrestling terminology if the shovel smacked them in the face.
Triple H turning heel, helping Randy Orton become champion and ruining Bryan's celebration is the most logical business decision WWE could have made. It makes Bryan an even bigger star.
The complaints about Triple H are coming from a radical bunch who hate all things corporate and are also still waiting for Zack Ryder to be world champion. This portion of the audience refuse to accept Triple H isn't constantly doing things to benefit himself. This is ironic because Triple H is the guy those fans should thank for being a big part of bringing back some traditional wrestling aspects to WWE's operation.
So, let me get this straight, Triple H turned heel and the “smart” fans reaction is about how much they don't like him. Isn't that the point?
I'm a fan of Bryan both personally and professionally. I want him to be WWE champion, but I want him to be a solidified star even more. What Triple H did at SummerSlam is going to be bigger for Bryan's career than one title win celebration could ever be.
There is more benefit in Bryan chasing the title. The chase is always the best part. Once you finally catch what you've been chasing, then what? This is why Stone Cold Steve Austin constantly would win and then get screwed out of the title in 1998 and 1999. There is more money in the chase.
John Cena is likely going to be out of action while having elbow surgery soon. This leaves Bryan as the top babyface.
If Bryan would have walked out of SummerSlam with no interruption from Orton or Triple H, he would have walked into Raw and had no heel to battle. Orton would have been a babyface with a briefcase, but of course he isn't going to challenge him face-to-face. That would defeat the purpose of Money in the Bank. Superman needs a villain.
Because of what Triple H has done, Bryan is the underdog who got to the top of the mountain and then pushed off. It makes him and his fans want him to succeed even more. Plus, he has a talented heel duo in Triple H and Orton to play opposite of him.
Bryan's situation now is better than ever. He's the top babyface chasing the title that belongs to him with the boss of the company trying anything possible to stop him.
History shows that if you're the babyface in that storyline, you're going to be a big star.
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Most of that is true, but it could have been done without HHH once again throwing himself into the middle of the hottest thing going. But if nothing else, maybe turning him heel will at least making Orton interesting again. His heel work in 2009 was what got me back into wrestling on a somewhat regular basis.
And Bryan's arc will be similar to what Punk's was two years ago. Robbed of the title immediately after winning it at SummerSlam, but will eventually win it back a few months later.
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Fuck. It still feels like a dream.
Daniel Bryan of all people pinned Cena. Clean. The only other person that has that honor in recent years is The Rock.
And not only that, he dominated the match, he destroyed Cena piece by piece and then he knee'd Cena's brains out. :metal :metal :metal
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Fuck. It still feels like a dream.
Daniel Bryan of all people pinned Cena. Clean. The only other person that has that honor in recent years is The Rock.
And not only that, he dominated the match, he destroyed Cena piece by piece and then he knee'd Cena's brains out. :metal :metal :metal
Hell yeah!!!
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CM Punk pinned him clean two years ago at MITB.
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As long as Bryan gets the belt back and has a longish run with it, I'm OK with this. But seriously, Orton has been super boring and stale since his legend killer gimmick ended and Rated-RKO had it's run.
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10 years in the making.
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Fuck. It still feels like a dream.
Daniel Bryan of all people pinned Cena. Clean. The only other person that has that honor in recent years is The Rock.
Huh? Punk in MitB....
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Some people don't view Punk's win over Cena at MITB'11 as "clean" because of the involvement of McMahon & Laurinaitis
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(https://i.imgur.com/pjVRjaw.gif)
10 years in the making.
That clothesline was a highlight for me. Has it really been 10 years since he did a clothesline?
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JBL's reaction to the clothesline was better than the clothesline it self.
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Some people don't view Punk's win over Cena at MITB'11 as "clean" because of the involvement of McMahon & Laurinaitis
Oh, well I can understand that. But to me as long as no one from outside touches the one's involved and there was no weapon use, I count it as a clean pin :lol
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(https://i.imgur.com/pjVRjaw.gif)
10 years in the making.
That clothesline was a highlight for me. Has it really been 10 years since he did a clothesline?
Nop, the point of the gif is that Bryan and Cena did the same spots they did in ther Velocity match 10 years ago.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pjVRjaw.gif)
10 years in the making.
That clothesline was a highlight for me. Has it really been 10 years since he did a clothesline?
Nop, the point of the gif is that Bryan and Cena did the same spots they did in ther Velocity match 10 years ago.
Oh, I didn't know Daniel Bryan was with WWE that long.
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He wasn't, really. Just a few appearances here and there. I don't think he ever appeared on Raw or SmackDown back then (though I could be wrong).
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He wasn't with the WWE at the time, but the WWE probably was in the same town he was when they filmed that and just got in touch with him for that night as a jobber. "Supplemental talent" I think they call it.
Plenty of indy wrestler have done this.
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If you don't count Punk's 2011 victory (which I don't, given the outside distraction), this is the first time in John Cena's 13 WWE/World Heavyweight title losses that he's dropped the belt clean in a non-gimmick match. As much as part of me is bummed that he didn't get to keep the belt, if WWE books the next couple months right there could be some great things in Daniel Bryan's immediate future.
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If you don't count Punk's 2011 victory (which I don't, given the outside distraction), this is the first time in John Cena's 13 WWE/World Heavyweight title losses that he's dropped the belt clean in a non-gimmick match. As much as part of me is bummed that he didn't get to keep the belt, if WWE books the next couple months right there could be some great things in Daniel Bryan's immediate future.
He got the Austin treatment by Steph to kick off the shows. All he needs now is a monster truck.
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If you don't count Punk's 2011 victory (which I don't, given the outside distraction), this is the first time in John Cena's 13 WWE/World Heavyweight title losses that he's dropped the belt clean in a non-gimmick match. As much as part of me is bummed that he didn't get to keep the belt, if WWE books the next couple months right there could be some great things in Daniel Bryan's immediate future.
He got the Austin treatment by Steph to kick off the shows. All he needs now is a beer truck.
FTFY
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Most ironic statement ever:
HHH - "Daniel Bryan, you need to check your ego at the door."
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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How about that Sin Cara, huh? First time I've seen him in a match in months and injures himself not 2 minutes into it.
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How about that Sin Cara, huh? First time I've seen him in a match in months and injures himself not 2 minutes into it.
It was a kick Del Rio gave to him before the dive.
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So John Cena's taking a huge break, six months I think he said. This could be great for his character. Here's hoping for a strong return for a WMXXX match with Taker.
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OH GOD NO!
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Can't wait for Smackdown and Main Event tonight! :)
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So John Cena's taking a huge break, six months I think he said. This could be great for his character. Here's hoping for a strong return for a WMXXX match with Taker.
I'll be really surprised if it's actually 6 months. I see him back at the Rumble at the absolute latest. Hopefully he doesn't win the thing again.
Or he could come back much sooner, as he's done in the past.
Cena's one of the only credible threats to Takers streak (not that they'd actually let him lose). I'd love for Cena to wrestle Taker. Assuming there's no titles involved, that frees up the titles for the likes of Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, and hopefully someone like Cesaro or Barrett.
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Yep! The one thing about this Cena surgery that's good is the chance for those people to be elevated.
Also, I'm now intrigued where this new Corporation is gonna go (with The Shield acting as 3 Big Bossmen :lol ).
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(with The Shield acting as 3 Big Bossmen :lol )
I'm kinda annoyed about this one, to be honest. Putting the hounds of justice on the corporate leash takes away almost everything that makes them cool, if you ask me. I can only hope that they end up turning on the McMahons at some point.
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(with The Shield acting as 3 Big Bossmen :lol )
I'm kinda annoyed about this one, to be honest. Putting the hounds of justice on the corporate leash takes away almost everything that makes them cool, if you ask me. I can only hope that they end up turning on the McMahons at some point.
What will justify it for me is if it leads to a Shield vs. Wyatt feud. We know how much Bray hates the system, and now the Shield is doing it's dirty work.
But then again this is nothing new as the Shield were doing Heyman and Punk's dirty work in the beginning.
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I don't really care what happens. I just wanna hear Ambrose cut promos and Rollins in the ring!
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I was never around when HHH was seriously heel. I'm pretty excited to see it. My hopes are that he has his own agenda and doesn't give two f's about the Corporation.
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That's a hell of a cast.
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Went to Main Event/Smackdown the other night and it was awesome, had a great time and was awesome to see the Wyatt family.
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I know many people hate the guy, but I thought this was a good read:
https://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9588366/view/full/an-interview-wwe-superstar-corporate-officer-triple-h
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So there's a WWE event going on at Full Sail in an hour, do I go? I can get in free, but it's 3 damned hours.
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For free, why not?
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So there's a WWE event going on at Full Sail in an hour, do I go? I can get in free, but it's 3 damned hours.
Go. It's really different live.
And you may see something like Cesaro vs Sami match that just aired:
(https://thumbnails102.imagebam.com/27180/f82f69271791662.jpg) (https://www.imagebam.com/image/f82f69271791662)
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I know many people hate the guy, but I thought this was a good read:
https://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9588366/view/full/an-interview-wwe-superstar-corporate-officer-triple-h
This was an incredible read and every wrestling fan should read it!
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Yep, that was an incredible read.
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I know many people hate the guy, but I thought this was a good read:
https://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9588366/view/full/an-interview-wwe-superstar-corporate-officer-triple-h
This was an incredible read and every wrestling fan should read it!
Agreed.
Wrestling is so fascinating. (especially what goes on behind the scenes)
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Michael Cole said that Antonio Cesaro vs Sami Zayn on NXT was the best match that he's seen since Michaels and the Undertaker at 25. He may be right. It was incredible.
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Michael Cole said that Antonio Cesaro vs Sami Zayn on NXT was the best match that he's seen since Michaels and the Undertaker at 25. He may be right. It was incredible.
People were clapping on their feets for the ending of that match. It's one of the best tv matches ever.
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Are we talking the same one from months ago or a new one? If so... IS THERE ANY OTHER PLACE BESIDE HULU WHERE I CAN SEE IT?!?!
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Are we talking the same one from months ago or a new one? If so... IS THERE ANY OTHER PLACE BESIDE HULU WHERE I CAN SEE IT?!?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CFwCFwYk1c
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I don't know about all this match of the year talk, but that was definitely a great match. One hell of a finish.
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One hell of a finish.
That finish was sick.
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Yeah, I'm sure watching it after I heard all the hype didn't help, but while I thought it was a fantastic match, I wouldn't call it the runaway MotY like some people are.
Dat tornado DDT though, holy shit. :hefdaddy
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Sami Zayn is El Generico, right? I wonder why they changed his gimmick.
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Sami Zayn is El Generico, right? I wonder why they changed his gimmick.
So WWE can trademark it and own the character.
Goddamn, DAT FINISH!
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Not really a match of the year candidate-it's a fantastic match, don't get me wrong-but DAMN, that finish. That was amazing.
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I think Lesnar/Punk might be my MOTY so far
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"That was over 10 years ago, they won't remember that!" - Vince
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More like: "Our audience consist of 85% kids, we can do that angle again, they don't know it!"
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More like, "That was over 10 days ago, they won't remember that!" - Vince :lol :lol
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So, WWC (the promotion in Puerto Rico run by Carlos Colón) announced that Sting is coming to a show and I'M SO GOING AND MARK OUT BECAUSE IT'S REAL TO ME DAMNIT!!!
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He's coming to a WWE show?
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He's coming to a WWE show?
Um, no. He clearly stated that it was a WWC show, and included a parenthetical explanation of what the WWC is.
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I can't wrap my head around how you misunderstood that! :lol
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I can't wrap my head around how did you misunderstood that! :lol
Might have misread WWC as WWE and blown past the parentheses. But yeah, you were pretty clear.
Here's hoping that you get to see the Stinger live.
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He said "WWC" (not "WCW") so I basically had no idea what he was talking about, and since 99% of the thread is about WWE, I thought it was a fairly reasonable assumption that he was in fact saying that Sting was coming to a WWE show. I had my doubts, so I reasonably asked him if that's what he meant.
Actually, all three of you said "WWC" instead of "WCW". Is this something I'm just unaware of? Sting is on WCW, right?
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Sting is on TNA, WWC is a promotion in Puerto Rico, and WCW doesn't exist anymore.
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Oh. Well, the more you know. I pretty much have only watched WWE, and that with a layman's interest.
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So, WWC (the promotion in Puerto Rico run by Carlos Colón) announced that Sting is coming to a show and I'M SO GOING AND MARK OUT BECAUSE IT'S REAL TO ME DAMNIT!!!
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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So, WWC (the promotion in Puerto Rico run by Carlos Colón) announced that Sting is coming to a show and I'M SO GOING AND MARK OUT BECAUSE IT'S REAL TO ME DAMNIT!!!
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So, WWC (the promotion in Puerto Rico run by Carlos Colón) announced that Sting is coming to a show and I'M SO GOING AND MARK OUT BECAUSE IT'S REAL TO ME DAMNIT!!!
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Oh. Well, the more you know. I pretty much have only watched WWE, and that with a layman's interest.
When I tell you WCW went out of business 12 years ago you're gonna flip... :rollin
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Made a point to sit down and watch some Raw last night, and after a while, it finally hit me what was missing from when I used to watch it regularly, and why it felt so different from when I stopped watching year ago. No JR.
I knew he hasn’t been doing TV for a while, but it didn’t hit me till last night how much his play-by-play added to the broadcast. He was always able to add the appropriate element to each match, depending on what it called for: excitement, drama, humor, gravitas. He made every match seem like it was the biggest one of the night.
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Yeah, it's been Cole/Lawler/JBL for a while now, and none of them are the master storyteller what was JR.
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The Rhodes vs Orton match was definitely the highlight of last night for me. It was a bit disappointing that Rhodes lost, since a victory there would have been an awesome push for him. But alas, it seems like the typical way WWE ends a superstar's career is through the loss of a career-ending match. Flair, Michaels, Hardy, JBL, and Batista all come to mind, and I haven't even watched WWE that long or that religiously either.
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My highlight was Big Show. Just, that man dragged me into tears last night and I couldn't handle it. Adding in Stephanie's line about Giants, and I feel like I should support Big Show more than D-Bry.
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The Rhodes vs Orton match was definitely the highlight of last night for me. It was a bit disappointing that Rhodes lost, since a victory there would have been an awesome push for him. But alas, it seems like the typical way WWE ends a superstar's career is through the loss of a career-ending match. Flair, Michaels, Hardy, JBL, and Batista all come to mind, and I haven't even watched WWE that long or that religiously either.
I wouldn't count on this being the end of Rhodes' career. I feel pretty confident that this is just a way to write him off TV for a while so he can get married and go on his honeymoon and such.
My highlight was Big Show. Just, that man dragged me into tears last night and I couldn't handle it. Adding in Stephanie's line about Giants, and I feel like I should support Big Show more than D-Bry.
Ha. Now I feel like an asshole, because I thought Show's performance was pretty cringeworthy, myself. :lol
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My highlight was Big Show. Just, that man dragged me into tears last night and I couldn't handle it. Adding in Stephanie's line about Giants, and I feel like I should support Big Show more than D-Bry.
Ha. Now I feel like an asshole, because I thought Show's performance was pretty cringeworthy, myself. :lol
Lots of people felt that way. Apparently big giant men shouldn't cry or something. I'm curious in what happens with Punk after Night of Champions, too. And what ever Bray Wyatt is up to. Eventually.
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I didn't mind the crying, I just thought he overdid it. You'd think Big Boss Man had driven off with his father's coffin again or something.
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Hopefully the Corporation arc isn't just a lead in to a big Cena return.
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Which would be so incredibly disappointing because this is the chance to elevate some of the midcard to the top.
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Big Show needs to stop being a big bitch. Whoever told him to cry like that should be fired. I know he's going to end up KOing HHH, but in the mean time he shouldn't cry like that. He's freaking Big Show.
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Well Shane McMahon just stepped down as CEO of his company in China. I'm hoping that means he's coming back to team up with Vince to battle HHH and Stephanie for control of the company.
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Big Show needs to stop being a big bitch. Whoever told him to cry like that should be fired. I know he's going to end up KOing HHH, but in the mean time he shouldn't cry like that. He's freaking Big Show.
Big Show has always had that trick up his sleeve. I'll never forget how he cried to put over being thrown into the Punjabi Prison match with the Undertaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7idN_lz22nY
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I am sure they are setting this up for the eventual payoff of Bryan winning the title back, but ending RAW essentially the same way three weeks in a row is getting really old, really fast. This isn't 1989 anymore, where you can do a slow burn, so if they aren't careful, they are gonna kill Bryan's momentum. And we all know how much HHH loves to bury people.
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Bryan is getting the biggest push of his career. he's nowhere near being buried.
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Bryan is getting the biggest push of his career. he's nowhere near being buried.
Yeah apparently him not beating up 4 people by himself like he's The Undertaker is being buried :lol
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Although they need a different end to Raw this time because Bryan getting beat down and heels victorious is getting old considering it happens on Smackdown too.
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Bryan's not getting buried, they're probably building up to a Show/Bryan/Zig/Cody/Someone else vs HHH/Orton/The Shield for Survivor Series.
Speaking of which, can we move on from the "traditional SS match"?? MitB is a much more interesting concept.
Also: OMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMOMG BOUGHT MY TICKET TO SEE STING OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
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The problem with the Bryan story is the same one that wound up biting the NWO angle in the ass back in the day in WCW. It was one that McMahon seemingly learned from during the Austin/McMahon feud, but seems to have forgotten.
Namely, the heels always win.
A well written angle will see the hero overcoming the odds, but he'll do it by occasionally, actually, overcoming them. Even getting a moral victory every once and a while. Steve Austin would occasionally get his ass kicked, but the next Raw would see him come out and one up McMahon in some way. This is not what's happening here. What's happening here is the kind of thing that makes wrestling fans say "oh, for fuck's sake" and turn off the TV. Steve Austin overcame the odds, but they were odds he COULD overcome. This is being booked as "no matter what happens, Bryan will get his ass kicked by the Shield while authority figures stand around and make sure no one can do anything about it, after an episode of the show where highlights of the exact same thing happening on the PREVIOUS show are played."
People will stop caring about Bryan if two times a week, the show ends with the Shield triple power bombing him while HHH and Steph throw their vaguely defined authority around to keep people from interfering. The Austin angle slow burned to the point where Vince lost his mind and started throwing armies at Austin. This angle is the Austin one set to overdrive, and, worse, it's not just making Bryan look bad, it's making everyone else look bad. The entire roster looks bad for not marching down to ringside and beating the shit out of everyone, because you can't fire ALL of them. HHH looks bad because he's once again sticking his nose into the hot angle of the year. The Shield looks bad because they went from the unstoppable wrecking crew destroying EVERYONE they faced into HHH's flunkies. Orton looks bad because he needs the entirety of the WWE to do his dirty work to keep Bryan off him.
WWE has been stuck in a rut since 2001, creatively. If they'd had competition, the endless run of angles designed to be the new Austin/McMahon would have killed them stone dead. Raw basically looks like it did in 1998, still has an overrun because it did when it was against Raw, and is in terminal doldrums. Angles like this don't make people tune in these days, they make them tune out.
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Exactly, Jaq. No one is looking good with the way this angle is being booked.
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didn't the WWE have an angle about Show having an iron clad contract whereas he can't be fired ( John Laurenitis sp) , i've missed the last few Raws, so how is he becoming their flunky?
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didn't the WWE have an angle about Show having an iron clad contract whereas he can't be fired ( John Laurenitis sp) , i've missed the last few Raws, so how is he becoming their flunky?
They mention his contract, but I think they just like to see him cry cause he does it so well.
Oh, and they're idiots.
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They've retconned it as it's "iron clad" as long as he does what the person in charge wants lol
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It was good to see Edge again. Shame his acting is still the pits. He only shines when he's in the ring, which is what we're all hoping for but it probably won't happen.
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It was good to see Edge again. Shame his acting is still the pits. He only shines when he's in the ring, which is what we're all hoping for but it probably won't happen.
You mean acting as in Haven or whatever TV show(s) he's been in? Because I have never heard anyone else bash in mic work in the WWE. He was fantastic.
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Really? Well, you're hearing it now. His mic work is terribly clumsy, awkward, and unconvincing.
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I guess there's a first time for everything.
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wat is this i dont even
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If Edge's mic work is terrible then what does that make Randy Orton's mic work?
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I wouldn't go as far as to say that Edge's mic work was terrible, but I never understood the hype, either. He had his moments of greatness, but for the most part, I always thought he was fairly meh.
Excellent in the ring, though.
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WWE has been stuck in a rut since 2001, creatively.
That's about the time I started tuning out.
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If Edge's mic work is terrible then what does that make Randy Orton's mic work?
I've never heard anyone praise Orton's mic work.
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Orton's mic work is HORRIBLE.
Honestly Edge is not awful. But he's not good.
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Orton's mic work is HORRIBLE.
Honestly Edge is not awful. But he's not good.
It's not awful, but it's the pits?
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion... but stick with it.
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I'll express my feelings this way: on the list of good talkers, I rank Edge near the bottom. Which means he's still a good talker, just not an exceptional one in my eyes.
Orton, on the other hand? His name's not on the list. His name is nowhere near the list. If you're discussing good talkers, Orton has no business being part of the discussion. I have trouble even calling what Orton does 'mic work' - it's more like a teleprompter collaborating with the Microsoft Speech tool.
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I think Orton's name was brought up to provide an example of someone who's bad at the mic to compare Edge to.
I actually think that Orton is just fine on the mic. His less is more promo cutting fits his character to a T. Not everyone should be out their running their face like the Rock. Not saying Orton's good... but he doesn't have to be.
I don't think that Edge is one of the classic talkers in wrestling, but he is very good.
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Orton's mic work was decent when he was a heel. Then he turned babyface and joined the likes of Jack Swagger and Alberto Del Rio in terms of mic work.
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I mean, Edge is no Flair/Rock/Jericho/Austin/Punk/Ambrose but he's still pretty damn good!
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No one can touch Punk on the mic. Not even The Rock.
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The Rock is certainly in Punk's league.
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Punk is pretty good as a talker and pretty good as a wrestler, but I never saw why people consider him a great. He might be the best of the secondary wrestlers but no way is he deserving of the praise he gets these days. I was browsing the wrestling forum and most people thought that Punk was the most complete package in the WWE right now. Lol, no.
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Out of curiosity, who would you consider to be the most complete package in the WWE right now?
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*in before Cena*
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Right now? I would say Cena's a better candidate than Punk. HHH if he goes back to wrestling. Taker if he wrestled more. Before they left, HBK and Edge. I'm not picking a particular wrestler as the "most complete package", but I do think they all beat out Punk who is just average.
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Well, tally up another subject that you and I don't see eye to eye on, H. :lol But fair enough.
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But seriously, what is so great about Punk? When he talks, he comes across as a whiny punk (:icy: ). And his wrestling is just a run-of-the-mill, forgettable high-flying style. He's just not that cool, I guess.
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But seriously, what is so great about Punk? When he talks, he comes across as a whiny punk (:icy: ). And his wrestling is just a run-of-the-mill, forgettable high-flying style. He's just not that cool, I guess.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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For one, Punk doesn't have a predictable move set
And Rock is certainly a great talker, but he does stumble over himself a lot, while Punk never does.
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Well, for starters, I think Punk's promos are generally very convincing. Watching him talk, I'm able to suspend disbelief and think that he means every damn word he says. That alone puts him head and shoulders above a lot of the superstars on the roster right now for me. His promos don't even feel like promos to me half the time - they're just really natural. When he was doing the Straight Edge Society, my brother hated him - and I mean hated him. My brother is in his twenties and has known that wrestling is scripted for many years, but CM Punk was able to break that barrier and evoke genuine hatred. My brother didn't even watch wrestling regularly at that point, but he got back into it just because he wanted to see CM Punk get his ass kicked. That right there is heel work at its very finest.
Secondly, I just think he's hilarious. You can search for 'CM Punk funny moments' on YouTube and find ten minute compilations of great material. Especially if you look for his promos from the indies – his ‘invisible microphone’ rant is one of my favorite professional wrestling moments ever. Most of his promos from the so-called ‘summer of Punk’ were pretty damn glorious as well – not just the Pipe Bomb itself, but even just goofy stuff like making ‘snow angels’ in the middle of the ring or going off on John Cena for spilling his diet soda. That stuff is just golden to me.
Bottom line is, he just really knows how to get a crowd riled up. He’s also pretty quick on his feet when it comes to his wit, and I think he’s got great delivery.
As for in the ring, I don’t hold him as an all-time great or anything, but I do think he has the ability to make any opponent look good. That’s a rare gift, and it makes for great matches. You might think of CM Punk as an average wrestler, but ask yourself this: when was the last time you saw a bad CM Punk match?
Anyway, you’re entitled to your opinion, of course. Just my two cents.
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Fuck, Jesus Punk was such a great heel! Vince really screwed the pooch by killing that angle early!
Yeah, that diet soda comment was fucking hilarious! And I completely agree about his promos not sounding like promos, I also totally believe every word he says. The only other guy (in the current roster) who I feel the same way is Dean Ambrose.
And yes, he's no Daniel Bryan or Bret Hart master technical wrestler in the ring, but he's not so predictable as Cena (in moveset and match format) and as you said, he can get a good match out of anyone! Hell, that Cena/Punk MitB match is probably Cena's best match of his career! And his bout with Taker at 'Mania was the best Taker match since the first Michaels/Taker.
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Fuck, Jesus Punk was such a great heel!
Seriously. My brother wanted to murder him. :lol
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I still remember after Jeff Hardy's last WWE match, the next Smackdown Punk came out to his music and dressed as him and everyone (including me) thought it was Hardy (dude did all his mannerism to a fucking tee!) until the house lights came back on and there was Punk with a huge (troll) smile on his face! :lol
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Story time.
I was actually in the audience for Jeff Hardy's last WWE match. That SmackDown was my first time going to a WWE live event, and Jeff Hardy was my favorite wrestler at the time, so it obviously ended up being a pretty huge night for me. I remember when Punk issued the challenge for a loser-leaves-the-WWE stipulation, I got this sinking feeling in my gut, because I knew that if anybody wanted a break from the WWE, it was Jeff. And he was, as I said, my favorite at the time, so I wasn't exactly keen on the idea of him leaving the company.
For me as a wrestling fan, that night was magical. All of my disbelief disappeared during that cage match - I was practically praying for Jeff Hardy to win, even though I had already identified that he wasn't going to. And when CM Punk's feet hit the floor, I felt absolutely crushed.
Hardy did his little farewell address, and then when he was leaving, Punk attacked him from behind at the top of the ramp. I don't think I've ever been louder in my entire life than I was in that moment, booing CM Punk.
I think the televised show ended with CM Punk standing tall on the ramp, so some of you may not know what came next, but after Raw went off the air, CM Punk ran around outside of the ring mocking the audience in the front row, making 'boo-hoo crymoar' gestures at this little girl who was literally crying. And in that moment, I hated him. I wanted somebody to come out from the locker and beat him into oblivion.
Which, incidentally, the Undertaker did. That part definitely wasn’t televised, but the reaction to the gong was absolutely insane. He came out to tombstone Punk to send us home happy.
Anyway, I’m rambling, and I’m sorry about that. The point is, the next week on SmackDown, when Punk came out dressed as Hardy, I realized that Punk was genuinely brilliant at playing the heel. Because even sitting at home, removed from the adrenaline of the live atmosphere, I hated him again. I soon remembered that he was intentionally making me hate him, but for one moment, it was totally successful – I hated his guts. And then, moments later, I just wanted to stand up and applaud.
As a jaded wrestling fan, there aren’t too many moments anymore that draw me in the way I was drawn in as a kid, and Punk’s feud with Hardy managed to do exactly that.
… I’ll shut up now. Sorry for the tangent.
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K so he's a good heel. I'll concede that he's above average. But is he the greatest wrestler right now? He's got strong points, but he's up against some tough competition.
EDIT: Sorry to so tersely respond to your awesome story. That is pretty cool and I remember Punk coming out looking like Jeff and being like WTF. I thought Jeff's last match was at a PPV, no? Wasn't it a ladder match or something, where Punk obviously won and then Taker appeared and chokeslammed Punk?
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Who's the competition? I think we're talking about "wrestlers" here, not "entertainers".
Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are the two best wrestlers in the WWE right now. I haven't seen much of Dean Ambrose other than what he does with The Shield so I can't judge.
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I mean, seriously, are they better than Taker, Trips, and Cena? I doubt it.
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There's no "tough" competition for that title in the current WWE roster. No way, no how.
EDIT: Did you just seriously just state that Cena is better than Bryan or Punk? There's no way that's true.
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Wreslting ability? YES! YES! YES! YES!
Cena has five moves of doom. It's really unfortunate that his opponents are obligated to throw that punch to set themselves up for his back drop into the 5 Knuckle Shuffle.
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What about Taker and Trips? And I mean as "overall entertainers", not just wrestling ability.
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The only place where Cena beats Bryan or Punk is in merchandise sales.
Taker and Triple H are part-timers, and if I were to judge by their two very lackluster WM matches (their last two) I would venture to say yes. But then Taker goes out with Punk and has a great match and then has a very good one with Ambrose a few weeks later to remind us that he is a legend.
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What about Taker and Trips? And I mean as "overall entertainers", not just wrestling ability.
Well, for the past 5+ years, the only people Cena is entertaining are 5 year old boys. Everyone else boos him out of the building. Taker is all theatrics these days. I find him to be boring, but I was never a big fan anyway.
EDIT: I AM NOT ACCUSING CENA OF BEING A PEDOPHILE!
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The only place where Cena beats Bryan or Punk is in merchandise sales.
Taker and Triple H are part-timers, and if I were to judge by their two very lackluster WM matches (they're last two) I would venture to say yes. But then Taker goes out with Punk and has a great match and then has a very good one with Ambrose a few weeks later to remind us that he is a legend.
You thought the Taker/HHH wrestlemania matches were poor? I thought they were the best matches of the night! They were certainly ranked very high by reviewers, according to each Wrestlemania's wiki page.
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The only place where Cena beats Bryan or Punk is in merchandise sales.
Taker and Triple H are part-timers, and if I were to judge by their two very lackluster WM matches (their last two) I would venture to say yes. But then Taker goes out with Punk and has a great match and then has a very good one with Ambrose a few weeks later to remind us that he is a legend.
I'm guessing this was on NXT?
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The only place where Cena beats Bryan or Punk is in merchandise sales.
Taker and Triple H are part-timers, and if I were to judge by their two very lackluster WM matches (their last two) I would venture to say yes. But then Taker goes out with Punk and has a great match and then has a very good one with Ambrose a few weeks later to remind us that he is a legend.
I'm guessing this was on NXT?
Nope, it was on Smackdown.
The only place where Cena beats Bryan or Punk is in merchandise sales.
Taker and Triple H are part-timers, and if I were to judge by their two very lackluster WM matches (they're last two) I would venture to say yes. But then Taker goes out with Punk and has a great match and then has a very good one with Ambrose a few weeks later to remind us that he is a legend.
You thought the Taker/HHH wrestlemania matches were poor? I thought they were the best matches of the night! They were certainly ranked very high by reviewers, according to each Wrestlemania's wiki page.
The first one was entertaining, but the HiaC with Michaels?? Ugh, just one long stall.
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I swear, this CM Punk thing must just be a fad. Along with Majora's Mask being better than Ocarina of Time. And Awake being better than all other DT albums. It's probably the same people that think all three of those things.
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I didn't start really liking Punk til the end of his streak. Never played the Zelda games and Images is better than Awake.
He's a cool dude regardless.
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Yeah he had a 435 day title reign, and he gets the biggest pops behind Daniel Bryan it's definitely a fad.
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I swear, this CM Punk thing must just be a fad. Along with Majora's Mask being better than Ocarina of Time. And Awake being better than all other DT albums. It's probably the same people that think all three of those things.
I hate Majora's Mask and Awake. :lol
But CM Punk is not a fad. WTF. He's easily one of the best wrestlers/entertainers they have right now, with very little competition, and he's gained a following on his own strengths, not because he's been forced down people's throats like Cena.
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CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are the only reasons I even still watch wrestling at all anymore. And even with that, I don't watch that much. I never watch PPVs until they show up on youtube weeks later, I flip through RAW in about 30 minutes after DVRing it, and I couldn't tell you what time or channel Smackdown is on.
But anyway, both are dynamite in the ring. Like Shawn Michaels was, Bryan is not that great on the mic, but he is so good in the ring that it doesn't matter. I mean, he got a good match out of Ryback a while back. Ryback, FFS!!! :lol :lol
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Sorry to so tersely respond to your awesome story. That is pretty cool and I remember Punk coming out looking like Jeff and being like WTF. I thought Jeff's last match was at a PPV, no? Wasn't it a ladder match or something, where Punk obviously won and then Taker appeared and chokeslammed Punk?
Hardy had a ladder match with CM Punk earlier in their feud, but his last match was a cage match on SmackDown. :)
K so he's a good heel. I'll concede that he's above average. But is he the greatest wrestler right now? He's got strong points, but he's up against some tough competition.
Eh, to me, the competition really isn't that tough. Undertaker has one or two matches a year, so I don't really count him as an active member of the roster. Same with Triple H. I'd say that both of these guys were better than Punk in their prime, sure, but right now, I don't even consider them a part of the equation.
As for Cena, I'm not a Cena hater, but I do think he's gotten incredibly stale over the years. And as far as wrestling ability goes, I think half the roster is better than him, personally. :lol
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Sorry for the double post, and for the change of subject, but apparently, Jim Ross is officially retiring.
https://www.wwe.com/inside/jim-ross-to-retire-26147422
I know he hasn't been around much anyway, but this still makes me sad. :(
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inb4 the title is revoked due to the fast count
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I was actually waiting for Triple H to come out and restart the match. I was very surprise they went out with a clean win.
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No Big Show appearance either, which was surprising. I thought Shield and Show would at least be somehow involved in the main event.
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Sorry for the double post, and for the change of subject, but apparently, Jim Ross is officially retiring.
https://www.wwe.com/inside/jim-ross-to-retire-26147422
I know he hasn't been around much anyway, but this still makes me sad. :(
I read he was basically fired, but they let him retire instead. Evidently JR was moderating a Q&A panel the week of Summerslam, and didn't do a good job of handling a noticeably drunk Ric Flair. I guess the incident caused some embarrassment for WWE in front of their video game partner (the event was to promote WWE 2K14) and some other big sponsors. Supposedly as recently as a week before his retirement he was quoted as saying he had no plans of retiring any time soon.
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No Big Show appearance either, which was surprising. I thought Shield and Show would at least be somehow involved in the main event.
They were banned from ringside by HHH.
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I know, but that doesn't mean much. Shield could have attacked Bryan when the ref was down, then have Show come out and save the day.
Also, I am happy to say that I was wrong about Punk. I watched his match with an open mind and he is indeed a convincing and entertaining wrestler.
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No Big Show appearance either, which was surprising. I thought Shield and Show would at least be somehow involved in the main event.
They were banned from ringside by HHH.
Yep, I guess you miss the first segment of the show.
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Banning anyone from getting involved is basically an invitation for them to be ringside, though.
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I wouldn't wish anyone the torture of watching Night of Champions twice (like I did for my tumblr). It's the prime example of a crowd killing several matches.
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That fast count is so obviously going to be part of the storyline.
The crowd kills matches?
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Huh? The crowd was great for most of the matches even though most of the matches were pretty mediocre.
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Called it.
Also, I knew there was going to be a coup sometime, but last night was a bit unexpected. I think both the title strip and coup should have happened at NoC, honestly.
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:lol :lol :lol
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The sliding kick he did to him was way more awesome.
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Oh, you mean:
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Seth Rollins and Ziggler in a sell competition, I need this now!
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Honestly if it wasn't for CM Punk and Daniel Bryan I wouldn't even watch WWE right now. Both of them got WWE out of that rut they had after they turned Randy Orton face, and it was just Orton and Cena dominating every show and PPV.
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Oh, you mean:
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Seth Rollins and Ziggler in a sell competition, I need this now!
Oh shit, that was a straight up drop kick. But yeah, that was awesome.
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I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT I'M GOING TO SEE STING TONIGHT
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Anybody know when Dimitrius is gonna see Sting?
:P
Nah, seriously, have fun!
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Bump. How was it, Dimitrius? :)
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Honestly if it wasn't for CM Punk and Daniel Bryan I wouldn't even watch WWE right now. Both of them got WWE out of that rut they had after they turned Randy Orton face, and it was just Orton and Cena dominating every show and PPV.
YES! YES! YES! :lol
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Bump. How was it, Dimitrius? :)
It was pretty freaking good!
Match started a bit slow, with Carlito playing the "scared" heel, you know like getting hit twice and just dropping to the outside and complained. But when it picked up it got very, very good! Sting can still go!! He took some bumps someone his age shouldn't be taking like a champ! :lol
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Bump. How was it, Dimitrius? :)
It was pretty freaking good!
Match started a bit slow, with Carlito playing the "scared" heel, you know like getting hit twice and just dropping to the outside and complained. But when it picked up it got very, very good! Sting can still go!! He took some bumps someone his age shouldn't be taking like a champ! :lol
Hopefully he is getting ready for a quick run in WWE. I've always wanted to see this and Sting deserves a major send off; something he wont get in TNA. One big WM match, a HOF send off and a DVD about his career is what I want to see.
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oh my god my gifs are here too guys stop making scared
seriously though, I take back what I said last week, that was my shit sound ruining the crowd. This week was good, but Chicago always is a hot crowd.
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The overbearing presence of both HHH and Stephanie, combined with football being back on Monday nights, has resulted in me seeing about five minutes of RAW in the last few weeks. I would rather watch a Jags/Raiders game than listen to HHH or Stephanie on the mic for five minutes.
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It's too bad that probably the only match Sting will have in WWE will be him losing to The Undertaker, but at least he we would get to see him in WWE where he belongs.
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I would rather watch a Jags/Raiders game than listen to HHH or Stephanie on the mic for five minutes.
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Listening to HHH > Listening to Vicky Guerrero, John Laurinaitis, John Cena, Alberto Del Rio, Vince McMahon, Paul Heyman, Teddy Long > Listening to a donkey taking a dump > Listening to Booker T
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AWWW SHUCKY DUCKY.... QUACK QUACK
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Listening to HHH > Listening to Vicky Guerrero, John Laurinaitis, John Cena, Alberto Del Rio, Vince McMahon, Paul Heyman, Teddy Long > Listening to a donkey taking a dump > Listening to Booker T
wat?
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The overbearing presence of both HHH and Stephanie, combined with football being back on Monday nights, has resulted in me seeing about five minutes of RAW in the last few weeks. I would rather watch a Jags/Raiders game than listen to HHH or Stephanie on the mic for five minutes.
Their overbearing presence is driving the show though, no? The corporation storyline involves nearly every superstar in some way.
And at least she's good to look at.
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It's super ironically funny to see Steph, whose title graphics reads "Executive VP, Creative", call out people for not winning matches or titles! :lol
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I would rather watch a Jags/Raiders game than listen to HHH or Stephanie on the mic for five minutes.
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:lol
But Kev's got a point.
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Yep, I just don't like HHH at all; I never have. Character or not, he is annoying to listen to talk, and the fact that he is hogging the spotlight during the biggest story of the summer/fall again, like he did when he threw himself in the middle of the Summer of Punk two years ago, just makes it that much worse.
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Unlike his involvement in the Summer of Punk, I feel like he (and Stephanie) are doing a good job on the mic in general establishing themselves as heel authority figures. The only thing that bugs me is when they're shitty to other heels for no real reason.
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Stephanie is being the heel now, HHH is being... I don't know, whatever he has to be so WWE can sell his new DVD.
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Yep, I just don't like HHH at all; I never have. Character or not, he is annoying to listen to talk, and the fact that he is hogging the spotlight during the biggest story of the summer/fall again, like he did when he threw himself in the middle of the Summer of Punk two years ago, just makes it that much worse.
That's so weird, HHH has always been one of my favorites, in the top 3 with HBK and Taker. HHH is very talented all around and just awesome. "Hogging" the spotlight or not, he deserves the spotlight.
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Stephanie is being the heel now, HHH is being... I don't know, whatever he has to be so WWE can sell his new DVD.
HHH doesn't need to be the stereotypical cool heel authority for his DVD. That will sell no matter what. (Look at Punk's DVD when he was doing dastardly heel things, and his dvd sold great. ... Did WWE even promote that DVD?)
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He was doing dastardly heel things to anyone under the age of 12, to everyone else he was incredibly cool and he doesn't carry around this stigma that he gets ahead because of backstage politics and/or being married to the boss' daughter.
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Does anyone else find AJ sexy in a weird way? I would enjoy rocking her world, having her fall totally in love with me, then break her heart and have her stalk me. That would be the best part. Maybe I need some therapy.
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Her character or just in general, 'cause she's pretty fuckin' hot.
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Does anyone else find AJ sexy in a weird way? I would enjoy rocking her world, having her fall totally in love with me, then break her heart and have her stalk me. That would be the best part. Maybe I need some therapy.
She's not sexy in a weird way. She's sexy.
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Yeah, the craziness in her character is for some reason very sexy. You know if you messed with her you would probably end up regretting it, but you would do it anyway!
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AJ is one of the hottest divas. Michelle Mccool a close second.
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There is nothing weird about AJ's sexyness! She just is!
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Yeah, I am pretty sure most guys with a working penis probably find her sexy. :lol
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Looks like CM Punk is batting around again with the divas. :lol :lol
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I thought he was dating Beth Phoenix. Definitely a major upgrade though.
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Pretty sure Edge is with Beth Phoenix now she quit WWE to take care of him after he had surgery.
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Beth Phoenix and Edge might be engaged, I think.
Punk is dating Lita again, and Punk/AJ are good friends.
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Is he in the Bartman seat?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRGymAPR8E4&feature=youtu.be&a I was on and will be for a while on a wrestling podcast! (I'm Jon, the english guy)
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Speaking of AJ...
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You're welcome. :biggrin:
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So what do you guys think of the build up to HIAC? It seems much more promising than the last few PPVs.
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Yeah, if it is true that Punk is now dating AJ, my hat's off to the guy!
Maria Kanellis, Lita and now AJ. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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So what do you guys think of the build up to HIAC? It seems much more promising than the last few PPVs.
The build for the main title felt weak untill Smackdown, but needs something big on this Raw really to push it all the way.
Punk vs Heyman/Ryback.. Well, it's on it's last legs but has been more promising than most things.
Why cena.
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They can't continue to have screwy finishes at the PPVs. This isn't fair to the people dishing out the cash for the show. This lineup appears quite strong. They must have realized that they have lost some of the fanbase recently and are trying to make ammends.
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HIAC Predictions
1. Curtis Axel (with Paul Heyman) vs Big E Langston. This is the obvious way to introduce a new feud and push Langston.
2. Alberto del Rio vs. John Cena. Cena wins, Taker's bell bongs and lights go out. Cena scrambles out of the ring and Taker tombstones Alberto del Rio to send a message. Obvious set up for a Wrestlemania feud.
3. Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan. Not without shenanigans from HBK. Trips gets mad and storms into ring with Stephanie. Huge scuffle ensues with Orton, Bryan, Trips, HBK, Shield and Rhodes brothers. Big Show shows up too, ends up KOing Stephanie (maybe accidentally), closing the PPV.
4. CM Punk vs. Ryback and Heyman. Hopefully the end of this feud. (Punk will turn heel on Raw and go after Bryan's new title, much to HHH's dismay.)
5. Shield vs Rhodes Brother vs Usos. The only way I see this ending, really.
WM30 Predictions
HBK vs HHH - main event
Taker vs Cena (c) for World Title
Bryan vs Punk (c) for WWE Title
Rock vs Lesnar
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WM30 Predictions
Taker vs Cena (c) for World Title
I hope not. I'm not sure the Undertaker has another title run left in him, so if he were to have a championship match at WrestleMania, I would expect him to lose. And I really, really don't like the idea of John Cena ending the streak. I'm of the opinion that if anyone ends the streak, it should be a rising star, somebody who can make defeating the Undertaker at Wrestlemania their legacy, somebody who can use the victory to establish themselves as a main event player and give themselves a strong platform for the rest of their career. John Cena already has a legacy and already is an established main event player. The streak is an opportunity to transform somebody into a superstar, and John Cena already is a superstar. The opportunity would be wasted on him, because he simply doesn’t need it.
That being said, John Cena is one of the last remaining credible threats to the streak. So I can understand the appeal of a Cena vs. Undertaker Wrestlemania showdown. I wouldn’t mind seeing it myself, actually. I just wouldn’t want it to be for a championship.
Bryan vs Punk (c) for WWE Title
This, on the other hand, I would love to see.
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Not having Brock Lesnar wrestle the Undertaker would be the biggest missed opportunity ever by WWE.
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To be honest, I'm not sold on that idea, either. :lol I would have loved to see it when Taker was in his prime, but nowadays I question whether or not he could safely take enough bumps to sell a decent Lesnar match.
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This might not be Taker's last WM though. I could see him retire at 25-0. I have a very strong feeling they'll do Cena/Taker this year, though. It'll be a huge draw for WM30. Maybe Lesnar next year. Other contenders are Kane (hope not), Jericho (again, hope not), Rock, Hogan (didn't he leave TNA?), Sting maybe. No one will end the streak though.
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Yeah, I do actually agree that Cena might be the most likely opponent for Taker this year. Unless they can get Sting. If they can get Sting, I think a Sting/Taker program is basically guaranteed. But aside from that, Cena is a sensible choice.
I'm really just daydreaming here. For the last few years, Undertaker has fought big names and legends at WrestleMania. I guess I just think it'd be cool if they broke that pattern and instead let an up-and-comer have a shot at the streak. Daniel Bryan, Antonio Cesaro, Damien Sandow, Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose, Jack Swagger... I dunno. Just somebody new. Somebody we haven't seen in a WM main event before.
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I mean, any match with Taker would be cool as long as he's wrestling. But that's kind of the point, isn't it? He has very few matches throughout the year. Wouldn't they be best spent in big name matches?
Suppose he's got 10 matches left in him. Would you really want Jack Swagger taking up one of those spaces?
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He has very few matches throughout the year. Wouldn't they be best spent in big name matches?
Depends on how you look at it. Big name matches are likely to be bigger draws, I'll grant you. But I think in the long run, they'd be better off using Undertaker's few remaining matches to establish new stars. Think about the future. Who on the current roster do you see carrying the company in, say, five years? Pretend Triple H is gone, Cena is gone, HBK is gone, Undertaker is gone... who's the star? Who's the next big thing? Whoever your answer is, why not put THEM in a match against the Undertaker at WrestleMania? Let him help springboard them into superstardom.
Swagger? No, you're right, he probably wouldn't work at all. I don't even know why I mentioned him. But what about Ziggler? Personally, I think he could be an ideal choice. His offensive style isn't that high-impact, so they could have a prolonged match without Taker having to risk getting hurt by taking a bunch of major bumps. Meanwhile, Ziggler is outstanding at selling other people's moves; I'm confident he could help make Taker's arsenal look absolutely devastating. Taker would get to brutalize Ziggler, thus reasserting himself as a destructive force of nature, and Ziggler would get the opportunity to show off his skills and prove that he could hold his own against someone like the Undertaker. I honestly think they could have a classic match together, and it would go a long way toward giving Ziggler some credibility as a star. Everybody wins.
(By the way, please forgive me for my ramblings in this thread. I don't get to talk about wrestling very often. When I do, I sometimes go overboard. Sorry bout that. If you guys want me to shut up, just say so. :lol)
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I'd go for Ziggler-Taker.
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Almost time.
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HOLY SHIT THAT SUPLEX TO THE OUTSIDE!
EDIT: Goddamn Seth Rollins can sell the shit out of everything!
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That tag match was hot. Those three teams, along with the Prime time Players, Wyatts, Cesaro/Swagger, Matadors, Tons of Funk etc, this Tag Division could be GREAT.... if the writers allow it to be...
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I was with you until Tons of Funk! :lol
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I was with you until Tons of Funk! :lol
Hey... then can work.
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Punk vs. Ryback/Heyman was pretty lame. HIAC matches ain't what they used to be.
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John Cena having the same John Cena match he always has! Ugh!
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Cena wins the WWE Championship at WM.... drops it at SS, and wins the World Title in his very next match.
Lame writers are lame.....
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I can't wait till Cena passes Ric Flair when he wins his 17th title in a couple years the reaction will be entertaining to say the least :corn
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Big Show enters the ring to punch Orton. HBK Kicks him to keep the match fair. HBK then kicks Daniel Bryan and allows Orton to win.
A not so creative prediction.
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Bleh.
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Bleh is right. HBK isn't even heel, really. Nothing happened. And now we will get Orton vs Bryan #4.
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https://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/44597-report-the-undertaker-s-likely-opponent-for-wrestlemania-30
Lesnar is the choice, with Rock waiting in the wings
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And it seems the Carter's are looking to sell TNA. No one should be surprise by that.
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Think the bigger shock is that they haven't already. I will admit that I'm shocked TNA's been around 10 years, but sooner or later you just need to stop throwing money down a well.
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Did anyone see the pictures from their last PPV?? It was embarrassing that their "biggest show of the year" didn't even draw a half-full house!
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https://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/44597-report-the-undertaker-s-likely-opponent-for-wrestlemania-30
Lesnar is the choice, with Rock waiting in the wings
How reliable is that source?
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Dave Meltzer/WON is the most reliable source there is! :lol
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I know that as a IWC member I'm suppose to hate Triple H, but dis tho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56b1-ylV8cg
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"YOU'RE FIRED...GET THE HELL OUT OF MY BUILDING." :rollin
See, something like that beats the hell out of Raw ending every week with the entire roster on the stage watching the Main Event Angle.
I am loving the IWC's "fuck Cena" crap over winning his match last night. Like Sandow was ever going to win the belt. Hell, that match probably did more for making him a legit main event worker than the usual beat down and win scenario did for Jack Swagger. Really all that is good for is a pop in the town you're in.
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Triple H is awesome the IWC needs to stop hating on him.
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I'm loving the Rhodes brothers as tag team champions.
I'm not loving what's going on with Kane. Or Daniel Bryan.
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That was the laziest way to introduce the new Kane.
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This new Kane doesn't entertain me at all. Just because he has a movie out. What matters more, the 'wrestling' or the movies? Time to make up your mind WWE.
Just as it was getting better it falls back down. A natural ebb and flow. Give it to Rumble and it will pick back up. Probably with Daniel Bryan winning the Rumble. They could go down the unification route with Orton entering the Rumble and saying he wants all the gold. Or have Cena do his superman schtick and say he wants to enter and win the Rumble again.
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I don't know where to put this, but Chris Jericho has a new podcast out and his 1st episode is when he is interviewing Stone Cold Steve Austin.
https://podcastone.com/Talk-Is-Jericho
Around the 28:00 min. mark, when they were talking about KISS (both of them are huge KISS fans), Austin admits that they were not really the best musicians compared the musicality of Dream Theater (which I didn't think Austin would actually name-drop first. I thought it would be Jericho that would have name dropped them. Heck, I didn't even expect DT to get name-dropped at all in this episode).
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Well Jericho is a huge DT fan, but I'm surprised that Austin even knows who DT are.
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Is anyone surprised that the Daniel Bryan vs Orton and HHH feud ended with Bryan getting no revenge on HHH for his repeated burials of him and him not being the champion?
This reminds me of two years ago when Kevin Nash, HHH's best buddy, cost CM Punk the title at SummerSlam, yet Punk never got any revenge on him.
And some wonder why so many people hate HHH.
Also, :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol at the WWE for making Big Show vs. Randy Orton a PPV main event. Seriously. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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At Survivor Series,, no less. :facepalm:
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At least they quickly shelved that angle after that dumb match!
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Cool video about DPP and Jack the Snake and Scott Hall.
Jake The Snake was one of my favorite wrestlers when I was growing up. Nothing he did was flashy (unless you considered draping a freaking live snake on his downed opponent), but he was solid in the ring, and giving promos he looked you right in the eye and made you believe what he was saying. It was sad to see him fall so low.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBM8D92yA8
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Is anyone surprised that the Daniel Bryan vs Orton and HHH feud ended with Bryan getting no revenge on HHH for his repeated burials of him and him not being the champion?
This reminds me of two years ago when Kevin Nash, HHH's best buddy, cost CM Punk the title at SummerSlam, yet Punk never got any revenge on him.
And some wonder why so many people hate HHH.
Also, :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol at the WWE for making Big Show vs. Randy Orton a PPV main event. Seriously. :rollin :rollin :rollin
I don't even watch wrestling anymore and I saw that coming. :lol
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Cool video about DPP and Jack the Snake and Scott Hall.
Jake The Snake was one of my favorite wrestlers when I was growing up. Nothing he did was flashy (unless you considered draping a freaking live snake on his downed opponent), but he was solid in the ring, and giving promos he looked you right in the eye and made you believe what he was saying. It was sad to see him fall so low.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBM8D92yA8
I do that program as well. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to improve their cardio,flexability and lose weight
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I had the same reaction as CM Punk did when Stephanie referred to HHH last night as the "king of kings":
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In other words, :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Great ending to RAW last night!
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It was (mostly). It's just sad that it was all about HHH again, from Stephanie introducing him the way she did, to Cena calling him the greatest performer ever in his promo (when Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, both of whom were far better performers than HHH could ever hope to be, are standing right there), to them ending the show with his music. Fairly typical.
But the crowd chanting Daniel Bryan's name over and over was awesome. They are trying their best to keep him out of the main event, probably because they think he is similar to Punk in that his mainstream appeal is limited because he is not the golden boy like Cena, but the fans don't care. :metal
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I thought he said he was the greatest at the time Orton debuted.
Anyway, I liked how they made a point of standing the Authority next to Cena to end the broadcast.
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It was (mostly). It's just sad that it was all about HHH again, from Stephanie introducing him the way she did, to Cena calling him the greatest performer ever in his promo (when Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, both of whom were far better performers than HHH could ever hope to be, are standing right there), to them ending the show with his music. Fairly typical.
Kinda have to agree with you on this one. I mean, for the record, I think Triple H is (or was) a lot better than you give him credit for. Not as good as Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels, granted, but if I was making a list of the greatest stars in WWF/E history, I'd have a hard time leaving Triple H out of the top 20, and he might even make the top 10.
That being said, though, I'm definitely getting tired of him being the focus of this storyline. John Cena and Randy Orton are having a TLC match to unify the world championships, and somehow Triple H is the center of attention? ::)
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HHH's rep as being an in-ring workrate god comes from 2000, but let's face it, when you're in the ring for a year with Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, the Rock (who really gets the short end of the stick for his in ring work), Kurt Angle, and Steve Austin, you'd have to work pretty fucking hard to be in a bad match. Simple fact is, after his first quad injury, he never really had that sort of year again, and he never was like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, or Ric Flair in his ability to carry anyone to a good match. The difference between HHH and those last three: WWE tells us how good HHH is. We figured out how good the other three were on our own. Hell, John Cena is a better in ring performer than HHH, and I'd put his 2007 run on the level of HHH's 2000 run. People just hate on Cena because his character is BEYOND fucking stale.
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That being said, though, I'm definitely getting tired of him being the focus of this storyline. John Cena and Randy Orton are having a TLC match to unify the world championships, and somehow Triple H is the center of attention? ::)
Of course he is. He did it when Punk was red hot in 2011, and now he's done it in 2013 when Bryan is red hot. You can almost set your watch to him. And now there is talk that he is pushing hard to wrestle Cena at Wrestlemania. Of course. :rollin :rollin :tdwn :tdwn
HHH's rep as being an in-ring workrate god comes from 2000, but let's face it, when you're in the ring for a year with Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, the Rock (who really gets the short end of the stick for his in ring work), Kurt Angle, and Steve Austin, you'd have to work pretty fucking hard to be in a bad match. Simple fact is, after his first quad injury, he never really had that sort of year again, and he never was like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, or Ric Flair in his ability to carry anyone to a good match. The difference between HHH and those last three: WWE tells us how good HHH is. We figured out how good the other three were on our own. Hell, John Cena is a better in ring performer than HHH, and I'd put his 2007 run on the level of HHH's 2000 run. People just hate on Cena because his character is BEYOND fucking stale.
Spot on. :tup :tup
They can talk HHH up to they are blue in the face, but does anyone really think he is in the conversation for best ever? When it comes to best performers, he isn't close to Hart, Flair or Michaels. When it comes to icons of the industry, he isn't close to Hogan, Austin, Rock, or Cena.
Think of it this way: back in the day, if Vince's character had done everything HHH has done to Bryan the last few months, the feud with somehow end with Vince tapping out to Bryan, but I doubt HHH will ever even give Bryan the rub of an actual match, much less the change of on-screen revenge. That is why HHH was always a bad heel back in the day; his feuds often ended with him on top and the face never getting any kind of retribution. Hell, with all of the matches they have had over the years, he has still never really put Randy Orton over clean.
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I love HHH.
Why is that such a bad thing that HHH is the heel that can actually win matches clean, and rarely gets put over? There aren't many heels like that, so he's pretty unique in that regard. That makes him a great heel and keeps him from being another, say, Edge or Jericho.
Honestly I'd put HHH in the top 3 of the current roster. I don't get the hate. He's always in great feuds, he's never in a bad match, he's pretty good on the mic. He's a great performer and wrestler. Pretty much always in great physical shape. Looks the part. If anyone is going to hog the screen, he's not a bad role.
It sounds like you, KevShmev, don't like him because he makes it hard for others to shine? OK, but there's always a beta in any feud. Someone has to be on top. Yeah it's annoying that WWE keeps shoving his greatness in our faces, but he would still be great anyway.
And I really don't think the Bryan vs HHH feud is necessarily over. In fact, I see it as a WWE vs HHH sort of feud, of which Bryan will take a part in. (Sadly, though, WWE will likely find its representative with Cena.)
He doesn't bury everybody, not sure where this myth came from. He's been bested by Orton, Hardy, Cena, Taker...he's put plenty of people over. Yeah he might have buried some, but even then, can you really say it was his fault?
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HHH might just be the best heel ever just look at how much everyone hates him :lol
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Yes. There have been plenty of stories over the years of his obsession with winning and always looking as good as possible. Granted, they all want to look good, but he thinks you have to win scripted matches to look good. Bret Hart was weird like that, too, but HHH has the power to make it happen and abuses it.
As far as others shining, all we keep hearing is how they need new stars, but how are these guys supposed to flourish when HHH is constantly burying them or not giving them a chance? Case in point: Brock Lesnar. When he came back last year, he could have easily been used to put over new stars, but in nearly two years, who has his biggest and longest feud been with? HHH. Naturally. :lol
Also, good on the mic? Seriously? Every time he starts his long-winded "Here's the thing..." nonsense, I change the channel.
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HHH might just be the best heel ever just look at how much everyone hates him :lol
I was just thinking that. :lol
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Paul is awful on the mic. Always has been. He's a power hog, who manages to convince himself he's doing the best for the company. The two best era's of the WWE were the Monday Night Wars, and the Attitude (toothless aggression, FTW!). Why... because they had a deep and talented roster, and rotated the players in the primary storylines. Sure, the main one for a couple of years was Austin v McMahon, but there were always additional players. I don't really have the desire look up the data, but I'd be willing to bet the number of PPV main-eventers in any given year between 97-04 was a lot more diverse than it is now. Sure, there's always the Tier 1 and Tier 2 guys, but HHH has put himself as a Tier 1 guy, even when he isn't. Why did the WWE suck from 08-11... because they didn't develop any of their mid-level talent to be Tier 1 guys.
He's had his 15 minutes (years) of fame... time to fade to black to ensure the ongoing success of the WWE.
Just my $0.02
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I loved HHH back around 2000-2002 when I was really in to WWF/E. I thought he was A+ all the way around (ok, maybe he went on a little too long on the mic). Stopped watching for a few years and only casually follow it now, so can't comment on his career trajectory during that time. It do agree with the above about the diversity of Tier 1 talent and developing mid-level talent.
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It's sad that a guy like The Miz has been given a spot in the main event at Wrestlemania, but CM Punk never has been. Miz is destined to be nothing more than a mid-carder, with the occasional main event match in stuff like Elimination Chamber or whatever. Meanwhile, Punk is overdue to main event WM. Doing Cena/HHH at WM 30 would be terrible, as you know Cena would win, and it is a match that has already been done a million times. I say, let the Orton/HHH relationship slowly fall apart, with them meeting at WM and HHH finally putting him over clean. Make these the top matches at WM:
Cena/Punk/Bryan triple threat for the title (assuming this weekend does unify the two world titles)
Undertake vs Lesnar
Orton vs HHH
Shield vs Wyatt family (they have teased them as not getting along, so make this a 6-man tag)
Also, there is talk that Hulk Hogan might be back with the company in some form, and if true, considering he was THE face of Wrestlemania in its early days, it would make sense to feature him in some way at WM 30. But I doubt he can work a match by himself, so figure out some tag match or something he can be part of, maybe with Big Show, Ryback or whoever.
I know some, given what has happened lately, would like to see HHH and Michaels reform as DX and take on Punk and Bryan at WM. That probably would be great, assuming DX puts them over, but they'd have to figure out a way to let Michaels come back and wrestle, since his loss to 'Taker forced him to retire.
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I know some, given what has happened lately, would like to see HHH and Michaels reform as DX and take on Punk and Bryan at WM. That probably would be great, assuming DX puts them over, but they'd have to figure out a way to let Michaels come back and wrestle, since his loss to 'Taker forced him to retire.
What's the story with that?
Also, I think HHH is great on the mic. Always seems natural, like Punk or Cena, and unlike lol Orton who sounds like a bad low budget movie villain doing a monologue.
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I had the same reaction as CM Punk did when Stephanie referred to HHH last night as the "king of kings":
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In other words, :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Punk's reactions through that whole thing were so priceless. Same with the MEGA pop Bryan got from the home crowd.
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Okay guys, here is why HHH is bad and you should feel bad.
Wrestling basically boils down to two guys fighting over something. One wrestler is the heel, the guy you hate. He tends to be in the position of dominance for as long as possible in order to keep people coming back to see him get his comeuppance. The other wrestler is the face, the guy you cheer for. He tends to be the guy fighting the uphill battle, either against the heel's superior ability to cheat or be ruthless, or in his ability to stack the odds against the face. While stories have ebbs and flows, there is one constant that should happen: the fans have to believe that the face CAN win, can overcome the insane odds against them and win.
This brings us to the concept of "putting someone over." In the strictest sense, that's when someone lets the other guy "win." Bear in mind, and this is something that HHH in particular seems to forget, no one is actually "winning" and "losing." The storyline and writers determines which character has the position of strength, but there is no actual competition. "Putting someone over" also means that even if you win, you make the other guy look like a million bucks doing so. Ric Flair was pretty bad in terms of the former-his constant insistence on holding onto the belt for long stretches and going over when he clearly shouldn't have was a major part of the decline of Jim Crockett Promotions back in the 80s-but he was brilliant at the latter.
Lastly, the heel's job in promos is to cast themselves as being better than the face not because he actually IS, but because he thinks he is. The heel is supposed to ignore that it takes desperately levels of cheating, foreign objects, and a small army of bad guy henchmen, and say, in cocky fashion "I'm better than you." The heel has to suggest though that his opponent is better than him, and that despite the fact that the face is always losing, he CAN win. The job of the face is to reassure the audience that he really is better than the heel, that he CAN win, and that the crowd is right to back him.
Here's where Triple H goes wrong. He not only beats the face, he does so decisively. No one will buy tickets to see the rematch because they already know the bad guy won and the hero has no chance in hell of winning. He doesn't show weakness. He's rarely beaten clean in a one on one match. He's never given his in ring comeuppance. This is compounded by his promos. Triple HHH is given twenty minutes of air time to make the opponent look like utter shit. His promos, which tend to be so long they wind up going unchallenged by the face. His victory is a foregone conclusion.
If you want a perfect study in how the storytelling in Triple H matches and angles goes wrong, look no further than his rematch with the Undertaker. WWE actually kind of backed their way into a long running arc at Wrestlemania that worked like this: Shawn Michaels beats Ric Flair in a retirement match. Then Michaels loses in an awesome match against the Undertaker. Michaels, mindful of what Ric Flair did, and maybe wanting to do what Flair couldn't, challenges the Undertaker to a match where if he lost, he'd retire...and Michaels lost. HHH challenges the Undertaker to attempt to beat the man who retired his friend, the man who retired Ric Flair...and LOSES.
The logical follow up should have been "and then HHH challenges the Undertaker to a retirement match, to do what both Flair and Michaels couldn't do, doubly so. Beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania AND win a retirement match at Wrestlemania." What did we get? We got the Undertaker...the guy who WON, remember...practically begging HHH, the man who LOST, for a WM rematch, and HHH refusing because wrestling him meant the Undertaker would get hurt. The story telling was upside down and made HHH look invincible. It happens all the time in his angles. He doesn't lose. He doesn't put the guy over. There's never a CHANCE he can lose. There's your problem right there.
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Well said, Jaq. :tup :tup
We also can't forget a number of times in the last few years where an up-and-coming star is doing this, that or whatever, and HHH comes out of nowhere, pedigrees the guy, and buries him, all for a cheap pop and to make himself look great again, like, "Yeah, this new guy is okay, but I am a legend, and I can come out and bury him in less than 30 seconds any time I want." You never see Cena do something like that.
I know a lot of people are sick of Cena, and yeah, the guy wins a ton (because he still makes the company a crap load of money, obviously), but he at least often puts people over in the sense of making them look really good before going all SuperCena and winning (similar to what Hogan used to do in the 80s, when his opponents always came out of the match as the loser, but always looking better than they did before it).
And don't get me started on Ric Flair's hypocrisy. He bashed the crap out of Bret Hart for Montreal - ignoring the fact that Bret would have dropped the belt to Michaels; he just didn't want to do it in Montreal that night, and his creative control clause, something Vince gave him, gave him that right - when just years earlier, Flair refused to drop the NWA/WCW title to Lex Luger on a number of occasions. Then again, I think, despite his status as one of the best ever, most know that he is a piece of shit in real life.
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You just said everything that makes HHH so great. Honestly the WWE needs to book more heels like they did HHH back in the day.
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Honestly, I have no problem with a heel who wins fair and square. In fact, I wish they would do it more often, but that doesn't mean the heel always has to win the feud or every match. That was the great thing about Flair back in the 80s; as much as he cheated, he would win a lot of his matches fair and square, and even when he was in full heel mode at times, he still had totally clean world title wins over guys like Kerry Von Erich, Ronnie Garvin, and Ricky Steamboat.
I also remember being shocked, but pleasantly surprised, by the way the Sting/Vader match ended at the Great American Bash in '92. Vader crushed Sting with a power bomb and pinned him cleanly to take the title.
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Oh it actually was a retirement match.
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I had the same reaction as CM Punk did when Stephanie referred to HHH last night as the "king of kings":
That's his nickname, not any sillier than "The Best in the World."
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Um... I didn't say that. I KNOW "King of Kings" is one of Triple H's nicknames.
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The question then becomes, how many nicknames is too many?
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Hmm... not sure. Let me check with The Undertaker.
Or Apollo Creed.
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Okay guys, here is why HHH is bad and you should feel bad.
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Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, this is a load of nonsense. You make it sound like there's only one 'correct' relationship between the good guys and the bad guys, but wrestling would get incredibly stale incredibly fast if every single feud followed the exact same dynamic.
The heel's fundamental job is to get booed. The face's fundamental job is to get cheered. It's that simple. There are lots of ways for each side to play their role, and there are lots of possible relationships between the two roles.
You may not like the way Triple H plays his role, but the fact that someone doesn't fit your mold of how a superstar should behave as a face or a heel doesn't mean they're bad. Hell, look back at Eddie Guerrero - during his championship reign, he destroyed the traditional heel/face relationship by cheating more than all of his opponents combined and getting cheered like crazy for it. Was Eddie Guerrero bad because he wasn't playing the face role correctly?
And as for the Wrestlemania matches between Triple H and the Undertaker, I think you left out the part where Triple H DID lose their rematch. You may have issues with how the match was built up (and I agree with you that it was a little bizarre), but I don't know how you can say that "there's never a CHANCE he can lose" when he lost in the example you're using.
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Undertaker at WM is the exception to the rule, because Undertaker will never lose at WM.
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I understand, I just thought it was odd that he chose the exception to the rule as an example of the rule.
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It wasn't an example of how HHH never loses, it was the prime example of how everything is booked to make him look the best possible, to the point that the match was booked BACKWARDS and utterly contrary to how it should have been booked. (I called it how his matches AND angles are booked wrong, if you care to re-read my post.) It was a citation of the utterly fucked up booking of the angle, not "HHH wins every match."
If you want a fucked up booking of his MATCHES, Booker T at WM 19 is the perfect example of that. That match saw him kick out of every move in Booker T's arsenal and win after hitting a pedigree and then taking FOREVER to make the cover...after a racially insensitive angle that made no one involved look good. Or how about Summerslam 2003, I believe it was, where Goldberg was getting the pops of a lifetime and HHH was so injured he could barely move, but HHH convinced everyone that jobbing to Goldberg in a one on one match in one of the lesser viewed PPVs was a better idea. Goldberg died right there.
Or hey, here's one for you. He puts over Batista clean at WM. BUT! We get an angle for the rematch where the sole story is "Batista is terrified of the pedigree!" So you figure, okay, the pedigree is going to figure in the finish, and Batista is going to kick out of it and prove he's better. Instead, it doesn't play into the match at ALL and the crowd is left thinking "well he's only champion until HHH hits a pedigree." Even when he loses the story is about him-at that particular Mania, he traded a win over the Undertaker for being one of the symbols of an ENTIRE ERA OF WRESTLING.
There might be other ways to book wrestling, though I take exception with how you saw Eddie Guerrero. As a heel, he cheated massively, gloriously, immensely. As a face, though, he was booked as Clever Eddie, the underdog who used his wits to overcome the heels. But you can't tell me booking one man to always come out on top in a way that never makes anyone look good-and sometimes he even makes HIMSELF look bad-is a good idea.
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If it wasn't an example of how Triple H never loses, why did you finish the paragraph by talking about how Triple H never loses? But fair enough. I agree with you that the build-up to that match was bizarre, so if that's all your point was, no disagreement from me.
I wasn't a fan of his program with Booker T, and I don't recall his program with Goldberg that well, but I'm willing to concede that it was probably stupid. So no argument from me on those points, either.
I will disagree with you on Batista, though. The fact is, Batista went on to become a megastar, and his program with Triple H was a large part of what launched that. You can say that the pedigree angle was designed to make Triple H look good, but you certainly can't say that Triple H buried Batista. Triple H helped make Batista. Before Evolution, Batista was Reverend Devon's bodyguard. After working with Triple H (and Flair, granted), Batista was The Animal.
As for Eddie Guerrero, yes, he was booked as Clever Eddie, the underdog who used his wits to overcome the heels - by cheating, a lot of the time. :lol I'm not sure why you would object to that. His theme song wasn't "I mislead, I outwit, I cleverly acquire," it was "I lie, I cheat, I steal." He wore that badge with honor, and he was the most lovable hooligan any of us had ever seen.
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Booker T
You used in your examples the most annoying wrestler ever. Your argument is invalid :p
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You used in your examples the most annoying wrestler ever. Your argument is invalid :p
When did he mention Buff Bagwell?
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Bravo WWE.... you've given me reason to care about a Cena/Orton match. Enjoy the PPV buy... because I don't want to read about what happens.... I need to see it for myself.
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More importantly, there apparently was an incident with A.J. Lee and Michelle Beadle the other day. Apparently, Beadle called CM Punk a f*#kface in the parking lot in jest (she admitted this on twitter), and the next thing she knows, A.J. is screaming at her for disrespecting her boyfriend. Knowing Vince and how much he loves and wants celebrities around, Lee is gonna pay for this time big time.
Also, given Beadle's rep, I would bet good money she and Punk have hooked up before. Beadle loves to party and hang with athletes, and Punk has never met an attractive gal he didn't do the nasty with. :lol :lol
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Great tag team title match.
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Tag match was hot. Divas match was good as well.
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Orton clean. Who would've thunk it?
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That wasn't a clean win by Orton :lol
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That wasn't a clean win by Orton :lol
He won what was essentially a hardcore match with no outside interference..... that's a clean win.
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I didn't see it, but if there was no interference, then it had to have been a clean win, or at least as clean a win as you'll get in a gimmick match.
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No interference doesn't automatically make it a clean win. :lol It was a typical ending to a Cena match not clean at all.
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No interference doesn't automatically make it a clean win. :lol It was a typical ending to a Cena match not clean at all.
If there was no interference and a rule wasn't broken....then.....it.....was......a......clean......win.
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I was surprise by how good the PPV was! I didn't watch it live, but besides the Miz/Kofi match (which I completely fast forward through) all the rest were pretty good!
I never would've expected Orton to win clean (don't bother with him, DoC, we've established on the NBA thread he's a troll), but I loved how the WWE polled fans to what they wanted the new belt to be called then went and named it whatever they wanted to anyway! :lol
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Awesome match between Bryan and Orton last night (despite the stupid finish). Bryan/Orton is becoming like Punk/Cena: they have wrestled each other so many times now that their matches are almost always really good.
Plus, starting the match early meant that it wasn't your usual quick "let's get this match over with in less than 10 minutes" RAW match, so Bryan was able to use a lot of weardown holds and moves, which is great for a match of that length. I liked the way he repeatedly worked on Orton's legs. And Orton sold it really well, even yelling "Jesus!" once when Bryan delivered what looked like a really hard kick to the thigh.
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Okay, so to recap:
-Not only did they bury Bryan in the feud with Orton, now they have him as part of a heel stable. After getting the loudest cheers all year, he barely got a reaction Monday night. Good going, WWE.
-Lesnar vs. Big Show. Really? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
There is a reason I barely watch this anymore. I can usually DVR RAW and get through it in about 20 minutes now. It's sad how badly they have screwed up Daniel Bryan's momentum.
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in the WWE... not you.
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Haha. But honestly, if it weren't for DVR, I probably would never watch anymore, as I would never go out of my way to be home on Monday nights to watch them continuously screw things up.
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I normally think these retro/old school things are silly, but seeing Jake the Snake come out with Damian brought a smile to my face. And seeing him in that web interview afterward was great.
And it is never a bad time to see Ted DiBiase. Him kicking the basketball away from that kid is in my top 5 all-time great WWE moments.
I am genuinely curious what the BIG ANNOUNCEMENT will be tonight.
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I hope the announcement will not be the WWE Network launch, I seriously hope not!
Lesnar/Show is LOL.
Bryan's thing can be salvaged is Bray's "devil" turns out to be Undertaker or it's the Authority and it becomes a Wyatt family vs. Authority feud.
#BadNewsBarrett is pretty entertaining, too bad he's not doing anything in the ring.
Also, Ambrose marking out at Jake's snake being put on him was glorious!
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The announcement being the WWE network launch kind of makes sense since it's supposed to change the WWE forever or whatever it said.
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Even though I don't mark out like most fans do for old timers coming back, since it is usually just window-dressing for a cheap pop, that was pretty cool seeing Jake the Snake show up. He was one of the best back in the day at promos and understanding ring psychology.
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Retro shows are fun. One of my friends got a picture of Bob Backlund putting him in the crossface chicken wing. He marked the hell out.
I LOVE that Daniel Bryan is in the Wyatt Family. I do hope that the writers handle this properly and this isn't another mismanaged cop out "turn" like Punk's and Ryback's were.
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Not sure why they're wasting Lesnar's time with the Big Show. They should just have him destroy everyone until the Undertaker is ready to come back to set up their WM match.
Edit: PWInsider reports that according to multiple people that they have spoke to, tomorrow's "Groundbreaking" announcement will be regarding the WWE Network.
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Not sure why they're wasting Lesnar's time with the Big Show. They should just have him destroy everyone until the Undertaker is ready to come back to set up their WM match.
From what I've been reading, the Undertaker match isn't as set in stone as we once thought. Apparently, for the last few years, Undertaker and his WrestleMania opponent have spent a lot of time going over the details of their match in advance. Evidently, doing that prep work with the Undertaker would exceed Lesnar's contractual obligations, since his contract only calls for a limited amount of traveling with the company.
Or so I've been reading, anyway. Could be bullshit. We'll see what happens!
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I think this should happen at Mania.
WWE World Title Match - Randy Orton (c) vs. CM Punk (RR Winner)
Daniel Bryan vs. Shawn Michaels (but I'd settle for Bryan vs. Wyatt at this point. Honestly I'd much RATHER see Bryan vs. Punk, but it is what it is)
The Undertaker vs. John Cena
Brock Lesnar vs. Batista (Not a match, I'd care to see, but I wouldn't want either of these two in the title match or the Taker match)
Cody vs. Golddust
The Wyatts vs. The Shield (with the Wyatts face and the Shield doing Trips' bidding)
etc.....
What I don't want to see is something where Trips/creative force-feeds us an Evolution storyline. Something like Batista challenging Orton for the belt with Trips in Orton's corner and Flair in Batista's.
It would be cool to see Kane help his old buddy Daniel Bryan at some point.
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Matches that were rumored for WM30 are.
Batista vs. Orton for the title(Haven't seen this one before)
Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker
CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan
John Cena vs. The Shield
Just rumors though even though Batista vs Orton seems pretty likely same with Brock and The Undertaker.
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I've heard a John Cena & Hogan vs. The Shield rumor. It would be a waste of use for the Shield.
And yes, the "world changing announcement" was indeed the WWE Network... or streaming service might be a better way to put it.
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The Network looks incredible. I will be getting it. Hopefully it goes off without a hitch, as WM will be the very first "PPV" or whatever you'd call them at that point.
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Sounds pretty cool, even though I doubt I'll get it. I suspect once this launches, their lawyers will be all over youtube to make sure the hundreds of old matches and events that are up there are taken down.
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I don't know that I'll actually get it myself, but yeah, the Network looks pretty incredible. Every RAW, SmackDown, and PPV ever for $9.99 a month? That's pretty impressive.
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Jake The Snake was awesome! Moreso because I have been following his recovery with DDP via YouTube and Twitter etc. It was a great moment for him and bravo to all involved for keeping it quiet in the modern age.
PS - Subject changed, up to date!
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After that ending to RAW, the WWE is nuts if he doesn't win the Rumble and headline Wrestlemania. I haven't seen a guy this over with the crowd since Steve Austin. It's ridiculous.
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I got goosebumps watching that!
EDIT: Btw, I didn't understand why the NAO are turning heel unless they're gonna become regulars for Wrestlemania season. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
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NAO turning made sense, they are friends with HHH who runs the Authority and the Shield is the Authorities henchmen...so it just makes the stable bigger
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It makes sense if they're gonna appear more regularly now, yes.
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Outlaws joining authority.... what is the world coming to? :)
That ending was garbage. What incredibly lazy writing.
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The crowd reaction to Daniel Bryan is off the charts. If he won the title at WM, that would be a sight to see.
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That ending was garbage. What incredibly lazy writing.
My thoughts exactly. His rebellion had absolutely no impact on me whatsoever; I just kind of shrugged. "Oh, so that's over already, then? Alright." Danial Bryan joined the Wyatts two weeks ago. Two weeks. And now I'm supposed to react as if he's having a proper face turn after being a villain for months or something? Sorry, but no. I'll admit that it was cool to see Bryan playing to the crowd and getting such a huge response, but I'd rather see WWE actually commit to their storylines.
I'm honestly kind of hoping that it's a swerve, and that assaulting Wyatt and baiting the audience was part of Bryan's initiation or something.
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That ending was garbage. What incredibly lazy writing.
My thoughts exactly. His rebellion had absolutely no impact on me whatsoever; I just kind of shrugged. "Oh, so that's over already, then? Alright." Danial Bryan joined the Wyatts two weeks ago. Two weeks. And now I'm supposed to react as if he's having a proper face turn after being a villain for months or something? Sorry, but no. I'll admit that it was cool to see Bryan playing to the crowd and getting such a huge response, but I'd rather see WWE actually commit to their storylines.
I'm honestly kind of hoping that it's a swerve, and that assaulting Wyatt and baiting the audience was part of Bryan's initiation or something.
I honestly believe that they balked at letting the storyline play out because of all of the DB "face" fans.
I think that either of these two tweaks to last night would have salvaged it.
1. Daniel Bryan attacks Wyatt unprovoked, instead of having to be attacked by Wyatt. So instead of Bryan "choosing the fans" over Wyatt, he was essentially defending himself.
2. Kane and Bryan setting up the cage match to isolate Bray, who did after all attacked Kane and took him out at Summerslam. But they might be doing a bit of that later down the road, with Kane volenteering to help Authority to help his old tag team partner DB when the time was right.
As long as Punk or Bryan wins the Rumble, I'm good. If Batista wins.... :censored
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The bottom line is, any extended Bryan heel run, even a false one with the Wyatts, would have been stupid. When someone is as hot and over with crowds as he is right now, you ride it. It would make the most sense to have him win the Rumble, Cena win the title, and then have Cena/Bryan at Wrestlemania in the rematch that has already been teased several times.
The NAO turning on Punk last night probably sets up the inevitable Punk/HHH WM match.
Go with this at WM:
Cena/Bryan
Punk/HHH
Undertaker/Lesnar
Batista/Del Rio (since they are basically teasing this feud already anyway, and Batista doesn't deserve to waltz back in and grab a top match, so putting him against the useless Del Rio seems about right)
Of course, then, what do they do with Orton at Wrestlemania if he is out of the title picture? And if he hangs on to the title, who does he defend it against at WM? Having another Orton/Bryan match wouldn't seem that special considering how many PPV matches they had in '13.
It's still stupid that neither Bryan nor Big Show got to exact any revenge on HHH for the way he and his wife embarrassed them for months on a weekly basis on RAW, but that is par for the course for HHH. :tdwn :tdwn
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Warrior's going into the Hall of fame. Didn't see that coming.
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Warrior's going into the Hall of fame. Didn't see that coming.
Giving the Warrior a microphone at the induction should result in some great fun.
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Can't be any worse than when they gave Bob Backlund a mic :lol
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I got to see Iron Shiek's induction in person... that was hilarious.
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Mae Young died. :( :( :(
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Sad news, she was on my first ever WWF PPV, Royal Rumble 2000. Shudders.
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Batista winning the Rumble tonight would pretty much be a breaking point for me. It would mark the third year in a row that an outsider was brought in to Main Event Wrestlemania..... despite having a plethora of guys on the roster that are more than capable of doing business if given the opportunity. WWE is trying to do the safest things possible for Wrestlemania. They don't seem to realize (or care) that WM will net them a boatload of money REGARDLESS of who closes the show. If Batista's on the Card, people who choose to order the show JUST because he's on (if anyone like that really exists) will order it whether he's in the main event or not.
WWE has a lot of things going for it right now. If they sabotage those things in the name of playing it safe for Mania, I don't know if I can go along for the ride this time. No loss to WWE as millions will still watch it regardless....
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This sums up Batista for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhX3bEDRebw
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This sums up Batista for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhX3bEDRebw
:lol
I did like the promo he cut on the wheelchair as he was quitting. Finally showed some character.
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Out of curiosity, who do you think should win the Rumble? I'm guessing Daniel Bryan is everybody's first choice, but I'm curious to see if anybody has any other thoughts.
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Batista is boring. His matches are usually boring, and his promos are almost always boring. It will be fitting if his first major feud after coming back is with Del Rio, who is even more boring.
Daniel Bryan has been the biggest and most over wrestler of the past year, and should be a natural for the main event of Wrestlemania, so I am sure he won't get it.
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:lol Agreed that Daniel Bryan is the natural choice.... and it seems that WWE is going out of their way to try to prevent him from closing the show.
Hopefully they allow Bryan to sneak into the Rumble, perhaps taking Rowen or Harper's spot and win it all. That building would erupt. But if WWE really wants Batista or Punk to win the Rumble, then perhaps they feel that keeping Bryan out of it will give the crowd reason to cheer for either of those.
I feel that Punk should be the pick if not Bryan. He has never closed out Mania, and his white hot run was sabotaged last year just so Rock can come back and win the title at last year's Rumble. But now, it's looking like that Kane, or to a greater extent, Triple H will ensure that Punk doesn't win the thing.
Personally, I'd love to see someone like Kofi or Dolph win, but I don't think that the WWE has the stones to go out on a limb like that.
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PWInsider reports that the top 5 matches for WrestleMania XXX look like this:
* Batista vs. Randy Orton for the WWE World Heavyweight Title
* Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker
* Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena
* CM Punk vs Triple H
* Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
(Possibly Ryback vs Ultimate Warrior)
Pretty much all of these matches are set in stone.
Edit: Also there's this
- While a contract itself hasn't been signed yet, talks between Sting and WWE are so far that they are discussing concepts for him using the name "A Man Called Sting."
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No way do I believe that.
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Of those, I only believe in Batista/Orton and Punk/HHH.
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A man called Sting.... Sounds legit.
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No way do I believe that.
I don't want to believe it.... but I wouldn't put it past "creative".
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I find it hard to believe that Cena will be wasted by having a match with that fat slob at the 30th Wrestlemania. Love him or hate him, Cena is still their biggest draw, and he'll either be in the title match, going against Undertaker, or having a match against an established big star.
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That is a good point. Cena's still their guy, as much as it pains me to say it.
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There isn't a lot of options for Cena if you put him against Undertaker then what do you do with Lesnar? (And Sting if they manage to sign him)
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Sting might not even be able to wrestle at WM, since his TNA contract, which will be expiring soon, might not allow work with another company that soon.
Odds are, if Sting does sign, his first RAW appearance will end with him getting pedigreed.
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Besides, it's obvious who should be main eventing Wrestlemania:
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I would laugh at the Sting thing if it wasn't so damn plausible!
And yes, AJ should definitely main event WM.
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I don't want to see Brock wrestle the Undertaker. I wouldn't trust him in that match. Give Brock to Batista and let Taker wrestle Cena. That would work for me.
As for Sting and his no compete... I think WWE could convince TNA to lift that. They've had arrangements in the past, like allowing Flair to attend the HoF ceremony where he was to be inducted with the Horsemen, or when they had Christian show up to TNA briefly. But if you have Sting at mania, you could give him someone like Del Rio to beat, then use the next year to build up him and Taker.... that is if Taker is till functioning.
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So, I think it's well known that Hunico is now playing Sin Cara (he was at it than Místico anyway), well I'm seeing a interview with Místico (as Sin Cara) on a Mexican show and he's saying that he owns the rights to the characters and his lawyers will talk to WWE is about it...
He is now wearing the Sin Cara mask but with eyeholes and the contact lenses he used to wear as Místico.
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I seriously doubt he owns the rights to the character. WWE usually owns the Character rights for merchandise purposes.
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PWInsider reports that the top 5 matches for WrestleMania XXX look like this:
* Batista vs. Randy Orton for the WWE World Heavyweight Title
* Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker
* Bray Wyatt vs. John Cena
* CM Punk vs Triple H
* Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus
(Possibly Ryback vs Ultimate Warrior)
Pretty much all of these matches are set in stone.
Edit: Also there's this
- While a contract itself hasn't been signed yet, talks between Sting and WWE are so far that they are discussing concepts for him using the name "A Man Called Sting."
I may end up eating my words on this, but I'm almost willing to bet that none of these matches are actually 'set in stone'. I've just seen too many conflicting reports to be able to trust any of them. Besides, I doubt even creative knows for sure what is happening at Mania yet.
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BTW, does it go without saying that Big Show's knockout punch is the worst finisher ever? Guys punch each all of the time in matches, but Show's is supposedly so powerful that it knocks the guy out, to the point where he could get a 30-count if need be? :lol, okay.
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Well, I mean, the guy's fist is the size of a fucking ham, so it kinda makes sense to me to that his punch would be more effective than others, to be honest. But yeah, they overdo it.
What bothers me more is the fact that closed fists are supposed to be illegal. Obviously they break that imaginary rule all the time, but every once in a while they spotlight it, and you often see the referees signaling that a strike was open-handed, so they do try to pretend that the rule is legit. Until Big Show does it. Then for some odd reason they blatantly refer to it as a punch and nobody has any problem with it. Continuity errors like that bug me.
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Batista's going to have a title run soon. Remember, he's in that Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming out soon
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BTW, does it go without saying that Big Show's knockout punch is the worst finisher ever? Guys punch each all of the time in matches, but Show's is supposedly so powerful that it knocks the guy out, to the point where he could get a 30-count if need be? :lol, okay.
It's got some heavy competition in the form of Hogan's leg drop and The People's Elbow.
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BTW, does it go without saying that Big Show's knockout punch is the worst finisher ever? Guys punch each all of the time in matches, but Show's is supposedly so powerful that it knocks the guy out, to the point where he could get a 30-count if need be? :lol, okay.
It's got some heavy competition in the form of Hogan's leg drop and The People's Elbow.
Well, to be fair, those two moves are more cherry on the top moves after the big boot/Rock Bottom.
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Kinda like Goldberg's Spear and Jackhammer. His spear alone would probably get him the 3 count. The Jackhammer makes it certain.
Someone like Edge should not have a finisher like the spear. He's too small.
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I agree that Edge shouldn't have been using the spear. Roman Reigns is a good choice for someone to use it.
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Yeah, he's a big dude. He'll break you in half. Even Rhino's "Gore" was believable.
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BTW, does it go without saying that Big Show's knockout punch is the worst finisher ever? Guys punch each all of the time in matches, but Show's is supposedly so powerful that it knocks the guy out, to the point where he could get a 30-count if need be? :lol, okay.
The rule of finishers is that "the expert's version of a move is 1000% more effective than anyone else's." It's why the DDT is a knock out for Jake Roberts but at best a near fall for anyone else. :lol
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True, but a punch is too simple and too basic to be a real finisher. This ain't 1982 anymore where a clothesline or basic suplex is someone's regular finisher. :lol
I wish someone would bring back the Indian death lock as their finisher, although in today's P.C. world, they'd have to call it something else. :lol :lol
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Native American Pain Lock.
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Criss Cross Applesauce
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:rollin
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Another problem nowadays with finishers is the wrestlers often try to slap them on way too quickly. Remember how Flair used to work his opponent's leg over for like half a match before even attempting the figure-four? But then they have Flair last year pass it on to Miz, who always tries to apply it after doing nothing to wear his opponent's legs down. Sure, back in the day, a sudden finisher like Jake's DDT would sometimes be attempted early in a match, but it was a rarity. Nowadays, it's like you have people trying their finishers at the beginning of matches all the time.
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Eh, I don't know. When I was a kid, I would always think they should go for their finishers as soon as possible. "Nobody ever kicks out of Sweet Chin Music, so why doesn't HBK just do it right away?!?!?" Now, as a more mature fan, I do see that it gets a little old if people just constantly go for their finishers, but I still have mixed feelings on the subject.
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I remember when I used to watch the matches and couldn't wait for the promos to be over. Now it's the other way around.
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Judging by the pre-show.... this crowd could be a lot of fun tonight.
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... The New Age Outlaws won the tag team titles.
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Bray and Bryan just had an early MOTY qualifier. Absolutely incredible.
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Hacksaw in a suit looks so weird.
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WWEWHC Match Between Orton and Cena starts
Fans: DANIEL BRYAN
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Yep, the crowd is basically shitting all over this match, and the commentators are trying, unsuccessfully, to make us think this match is good. Yeah, Orton/Cena on PPV for the 739th time is awesome!! :lol :lol
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Well Cena vs Bray at WM30 confirmed right there :rollin
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Glad to see a quick elimination.
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Meh.
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God that sucked. Glad that the crowd let them have it for that crap.
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On the bright side, Reigns still got to put on an impressive performance. I'm wondering if we're going to see a triple threat match between the Shield at Mania, since Reigns eliminated the others.
I'm also thinking maybe Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust, seeing as they lost the titles and Goldust accidentally eliminated Cody. They'll have their tag title rematch, but one of them will walk out on the other, setting up a Mania feud? Just a thought.
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On the bright side, Reigns still got to put on an impressive performance. I'm wondering if we're going to see a triple threat match between the Shield at Mania, since Reigns eliminated the others.
I'm also thinking maybe Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust, seeing as they lost the titles and Goldust accidentally eliminated Cody. They'll have their tag title rematch, but one of them will walk out on the other, setting up a Mania feud? Just a thought.
Both of those matches will most likely happen. And unfortunately, the internet marks have been calling both for months.
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opening match was fantastic
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That PPV was absolutely awful, and was conclusive proof that the WWE is either blind/deaf, or just hates their fans. Daniel Bryan is the most over guy they've had in a long time, and they seem set on trying to bury him and downplay his popularity instead.
Daniel Bryan 100% carried that match and even made it pretty good, but for some reason the commentators spent the entire match positively gushing about Bray Wyatt's very limited contributions to the match. Daniel Bryan zips around the ring like a madman, then they compliment Wyatt for his speed. WTF? No good words given to Bryan.
The Lesnar/Big Show match was a waste of space. Nothing worth mentioning there. Yawn.
The audience didn't give a shit about the Orton/Cena match, and spent most of the time cheering for Daniel Bryan, while the commentators desperately tried to downplay it, and pretend like the crowd was just chanting randomly to put off Orton (and to the audience's credit, there were some good random chants in there).
The Royal Rumble match was pretty solid as always, and the highlight was once Mysterio came in, the crowd instantly went dead and booed everything once they realized the outcome was gonna suck. From the "NO" chant towards ginger, it's pretty obvious who the crowd wanted coming into that rumble and winning it.
It came down to a mid card heel tag team wrestler, and the apparent big returning star, and who was the crowd cheering for? This is a pretty strong sign you're doing it wrong, WWE. And CM Punk's elimination was super lame.
The only redeeming thing about this PPV was the amazing audience. It's a shame nobody is listening.
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Mick Foley's rant about the Royal Rumble
Mick Foley wrote up the following on his official Facebook page early on Monday.
HEY WWE....WHAT THE F?
Yes, I'm going to put a brick through my TV. It's just going to have to wait until tomorrow. I had every intention of putting a brick through my TV tonight, after seeing that Daniel Bryan was not even entered in the Royal Rumble match, let alone going to win the thing. But, upon seeing their dad with a brick in his hand, my younger children got a little bit scared, thinking their dad had lost his mind. A rather spirited debate about the wisdom of following through on the promise to put a brick through my TV ensued with my wife - and, as is usually the case in marital debates, I, being the husband, did not emerge victorious. Honestly, the points she made about mercury and glass fragments everywhere were pretty good ones.
But I'm still going to put a brick through my TV. It's just going to have to wait until tomorrow - when the kids are in school, and I can take the TV outside the house for the actual throwing of the brick. Granted, it's not nearly as dramatic as doing it live, right after the Rumble, but at least I will be keeping my word.
As I mentioned on Twitter, I've never felt so disgusted at the conclusion of a WWE (or any) PPV. Like many of you out there, I just don't get it. This Daniel Bryan thing is a phenomenon. You get it. I get it. The fans in Pittsburgh (yes, I was thinking of writing "RIGHT TH...but I'm just not in a cheap pop mood) got it. But tonight, for the first time, I had to admit to myself that the powers that be are just not going to get it. And that makes me sad. I'm just honestly sad, just flat out fucking sad (yes, I dropped an F-bomb there to emphasize how F'ing sad I am for the guys who bust their butts night in and night out - Ziggler, Punk, Bryan, etc - with no hope of getting their shot at this year's Mania.
You know who else I'm sad for? Me. In my two years as an official WWE Ambassador, I never once had to lie about my enthusiasm for the company or the product. Now, although I am no longer officially an Ambassador for WWE (believe it or not, my only official role in WWE is as GM for Saturday Morning Slam, a contract that ends in one month) I was till looking forward to being part of the biggest event of the year. I'll probably end up going anyway. But I'm about 1/6th as excited about it as I was just a few hours ago. I wanted so badly to hear 75,000 WWE fans chanting "YES" - and seeing fans walk away absolutely ecstatic about the outcome of a PPV for the first time in a while...a long while. But when given the chance to make it happen (unless they've got something MAJOR up their sleeve) WWE's answer tonight was a resounding "NO, NO, NO".
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It's blatantly obvious that Vince, HHH, and Stephanie don't do give two shits what the fans want, especially since fans continue to buy their shitty product. Thank God I found a link online last night. Not that I would have paid to watch the Rumble, but last night is a good example of why I will never pay for the WWE Network. To do so would be basically telling them, "You can keep feeding us crap, and we'll still be sheep and lap it up and give you our money." No way.
Meanwhile, two of HHH's best buddies, Orton and Batista, are now looking to main event Wrestlemania. Is anyone surprised??
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While I love surprise returns, I was extremely underwhelmed this year. Nash? Done it already. I would have genuinely preferred X-Pac if they want to bring back some of Trips' buddies. As for Daniel Bryan, I can't say what hasn't already been said. 0% interested in the rumoured Daniel Bryan v Sheamus at WM30. Hoped it was a smokescreen for DB to enter and win at number 30.
While everyone craps over Vince Russo for his booking, he had the unpredictability nailed. That's whats poor about WWE at the minute. So predictable, for (at least) the second year in a row, you already knew who was winning the Royal Rumble.
The PPV done nothing but good for Roman Reigns too. Hope to see a turn and a split from the Shield for him. While he is no Daniel Bryan, he is definitely a refreshing person to have in the Main Event scene. Wouldn't surprise me if he won the next Money in the Bank.
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Oh sure, Vince Russo was unpredictable, but he ran WCW into the ground with some of the worst shit in professional wrestling history. Fuck Vince Russo.
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I would have genuinely preferred X-Pac if they want to bring back some of Trips' buddies.
Boy you know things are bad when you want X-Pac back.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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So what the heck is going on?
Professional wrestling is still awful, and people are still surprised?
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So what the heck is going on?
Professional wrestling is still awful, and people are still surprised?
It's not so much that as the sheer shock at how willfully stupid WWE is being. They have a guy that will put butts in seats and is over like no one since Austin, and they're kneecapping him because he's not who the McMahons want to push. How dare he get over!
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I still get the occasional "OMG, you still watch wrestling?" cracks from a few friends or my brothers, but it's like I tell them, I only watch for maybe an hour a week (the time it takes me to get through RAW after DVRing it), and while a lot of is crap, the truly special moments - like Punk/Cena at MITB a few years back, or Bryan's moment against the Wyatts two weeks ago - are still pretty awesome, and it's those special moments that make it worth watching still...sometimes. :lol :lol
And of course, to say I "still" watch wrestling is not correct either, as I barely watched it for a solid 10 years - I gave up in the late 90s when the nWo storyline and WCW starting going to crap, and didn't start watching again until I just happened to randomly turn on RAW in early '09 when Orton was punting Vince.
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Everything is so ass backwards in the WWE....
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I suspect they could be altering plans on the fly. Daniel Bryan tweeted this last night:
Daniel Bryan @WWEDanielBryan 15h
Sorry guys, the machine wanted me nowhere near the Royal Rumble match. But I thank everyone for their support. YOU are the #YESMovement
Daniel Bryan @WWEDanielBryan 14h
They try to keep US down and away from the top spots, but they can’t ignore the reactions forever. Keep voicing your opinions. #YESMovement
And from what I've read, Bryan is not the kind of guy to legit stir shit up like this on his own, so this is all likely a work. We'll know soon enough.
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That PPV was absolutely awful, and was conclusive proof that the WWE is either blind/deaf, or just hates their fans. Daniel Bryan is the most over guy they've had in a long time, and they seem set on trying to bury him and downplay his popularity instead.
Daniel Bryan 100% carried that match and even made it pretty good, but for some reason the commentators spent the entire match positively gushing about Bray Wyatt's very limited contributions to the match. Daniel Bryan zips around the ring like a madman, then they compliment Wyatt for his speed. WTF? No good words given to Bryan.
The Lesnar/Big Show match was a waste of space. Nothing worth mentioning there. Yawn.
The audience didn't give a shit about the Orton/Cena match, and spent most of the time cheering for Daniel Bryan, while the commentators desperately tried to downplay it, and pretend like the crowd was just chanting randomly to put off Orton (and to the audience's credit, there were some good random chants in there).
The Royal Rumble match was pretty solid as always, and the highlight was once Mysterio came in, the crowd instantly went dead and booed everything once they realized the outcome was gonna suck. From the "NO" chant towards ginger, it's pretty obvious who the crowd wanted coming into that rumble and winning it.
It came down to a mid card heel tag team wrestler, and the apparent big returning star, and who was the crowd cheering for? This is a pretty strong sign you're doing it wrong, WWE. And CM Punk's elimination was super lame.
The only redeeming thing about this PPV was the amazing audience. It's a shame nobody is listening.
I really can't argue with anything in this post, or Mick Foley's (the one wkiml posted).
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Last night, one of my "Facebook Friends" referred to Daniel Bryan as “the flavor of the month”.
This could not be farther from the truth. What Daniel Bryan has measures up to what Hulk Hogan had in the 80’s and what Steve Austin had during the Attitude Era. I’ll go a step further and say that his “level of being over” has surpassed even them. At the Royal Rumble, The fans chanted “DANIEL BRYAN” during his match. They also chanted his name during a World Title Match that he had no part in. They also chanted his name during the Royal Rumble match that he had no part of. That sort of sustained buzz over the course of a Pay Per View event is UNPRECEDENTED!
So how has Daniel Bryan achieved this new height? The answer is simple. He appeals to the entire fan base. The kids love him. The Indy fans love him because he grinded in the trenches for years and years. The fans of the actual wrestling love him because of his mastery of both technical and submission styles of wrestling. The fans of “entertainment” love him because he always plays a great character, even if he’s being asked to be a womanizing Vegan of all things! He is loved by the wrestling purists because he can work a match with ANYONE and make them look absolutely amazing. Put it all together, and the fan base for Daniel Bryan is UNIVERSAL! Maybe one day down the road, if WWE Creative shoves Bryan down our throats at that Cena level, some people will hope off of his bandwagon. But as it stands now, he is all that is right about this sport that we all love!
Creative has always been rough on Bryan. From having him go winless during Season One of the NXT Competition, to having him drop the World Heavyweight Title in 18 Seconds in a Wrestlemania opening match, to having him win the Championship at Summerslam, only to have Orton immediately cash in. Some of that is fine, as it’s storytelling 101. For many top faces, the chase is better than the reign. But this team has sabotaged many pushes for one reason or the other, and for whatever reason, they’ve done with Bryan what they’ve done with Bryan.
In contrast to Bryan, Batista is the total opposite. To be billed to win the Royal Rumble on his first match since 2010 is one thing. But to have him actually win it, looking rusty while doing so was something that virtually no one wanted to see, not when Bryan is the hottest thing in wrestling, or when Punk has yet to be afforded the honor of closing a Wrestlemania, or when Roman Reigns is ready to break out like Batista was when the decision was made for him to be put over in the 2005 Royal Rumble match. Then after the match, for Batista to be disrespectful to the fans just because they were disappointed with creative was uncalled for.
So now Batistia has that Golden Ticket to Wrestlemania. If they balk like they did with the Wyatt Family angle, the writers will have Batista be more like a heel, and instead of shoving the decade old Evolution angle down our throats, Wrestlemania XXX will end with 70 thousand yelling YES! YES! YES!
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- F4Wonline.com reports that despite everything that went down, or didn't go down, at the Royal Rumble last night, WWE is still planning on pushing Daniel Bryan in a big way.
I wonder what their definition of a big push is. Probably a nice run with one of the garbage mid card titles :rollin
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Eh, I could kinda see it all being part of the plan. Every time they snub Bryan, the fans get more and more behind him. At this point, if he ever actually does win the title, the crowd reaction is going to be out of this world. Maybe that's what the WWE is trying to build toward.
Then again, maybe they're just idiots. I certainly can't rule out that possibility. :lol
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Bryan is so popular, among other reasons, because he is awesome to watch in the ring. It's the same why other "undersized" guys like Punk, Ziggler, and Reigns (who isn't really small at all, but given the gear he wears, you can't really see how big he is) are so well-liked by so-called smarks. When you can entertain the hell out of people by putting on great matches, fans are gonna love you.
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While that's certainly true, I do feel obligated to point out that some of Bryan's popularity (not all of it, mind you, but some of it) comes from the 'Yes' chant itself. He really found himself a goldmine with that. It's simple, it's easy to synchronize, and it's fun enough that every fan in attendance wants to be a part of it. The result is a series of enormously impressive displays of crowd control and audience participation with Bryan standing at the center of it all.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from Daniel Bryan. He's definitely a very talented wrestler, and there's a lot to love about him. But sometimes I can't help but wonder where he would be if someone else had beaten him to the 'yes' punch.
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I don't think he's flavour of the month, but I'm not sure you can compare him to Hogan or Austin or The Rock in their heyday as the top face. The pops that they got were off the charts. And Austin with "What?" and "Hell Yeah" was just as big as "Yes" and "No" and "Daniel Bryan". Crowds would chant "What" during every Austin angle, at every pause in a promo. They still do sometimes.
If Bryan can sustain this for a long time, I'm talking years... then I'll eat my words.
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My point was that during the Attitude Era, no one was chanting "Austin" while The Rock was wrestling Triple H (or whoever). I avoided mentioning the "Yes" Chant, because like "What", it's way to easy for the crowd to say it.
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Fair enough. BTW, I think you nailed your assessment on his broad/vast appeal.
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I have no idea who Daniel Bryan is, but if Mick Foley is even pissed at the org, that says something.
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Fair enough. BTW, I think you nailed your assessment on his broad/vast appeal.
Thanks! I'm not used to getting cred ;D
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My point was that during the Attitude Era, no one was chanting "Austin" while The Rock was wrestling Triple H (or whoever). I avoided mentioning the "Yes" Chant, because like "What", it's way to easy for the crowd to say it.
Well, this is a valid point, but I don't think you can pin this exclusively on Daniel Bryan's popularity. It also has to do with the way people feel about John Cena and Randy Orton as opposed to The Rock and Triple H. A lot of (if not most) fans are getting sick of seeing Cena and Orton in the main event, and I honestly think that part of the reason they were cheering for Bryan was just to shit on Cena and Orton. I mean, yes, the crowd was chanting Daniel Bryan, but they were also chanting 'you both suck.' I don't think Rock and HHH ever got that chanted at them. :lol
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My point was that during the Attitude Era, no one was chanting "Austin" while The Rock was wrestling Triple H (or whoever). I avoided mentioning the "Yes" Chant, because like "What", it's way to easy for the crowd to say it.
Well, this is a valid point, but I don't think you can pin this exclusively on Daniel Bryan's popularity. It also has to do with the way people feel about John Cena and Randy Orton as opposed to The Rock and Triple H. A lot of (if not most) fans are getting sick of seeing Cena and Orton in the main event, and I honestly think that part of the reason they were cheering for Bryan was just to shit on Cena and Orton. I mean, yes, the crowd was chanting Daniel Bryan, but they were also chanting 'you both suck.' I don't think Rock and HHH ever got that chanted at them. :lol
That is a very good point.
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Thank you. :)
Daniel Bryan is certainly the most popular guy on the roster right now, and he's extremely talented, so I don't mean to take anything away from him. But I do happen to think that some of the people screaming his name are just sick of the status quo and looking for somebody new to rally behind.
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I loved the "this is awful" chant during the Cena/Orton match.
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As someone who doesn't watch anymore, I can't believe Cena/Orton are still the headlining match.
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Exactly. And now it's looking like it'll be Batista and Orton in the Mania main event - a match that I would have been pretty excited to see seven or eight years ago.
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As someone who doesn't watch anymore, I can't believe Cena/Orton are still the headlining match.
Most of us couldn't believe that 5 years ago.
I'm not one of the Cena haters, I love watching his promos (even if they're all the same, he's just a good talker) but his gimmick is so old and tired. Even if he ever turned heel which isn't likely, the Wankster gimmick wasn't all that great either. What could he do to be interesting again?
Orton has never been interesting. He's always been a tool. 94% tool.
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What could he do to be interesting again?
Get seriously injured and adopt a role as a manager rather than an in-ring performer.
... I know that sounds awful, but I'm actually serious. I think Cena could be great as a manager, and I don't think he'd ever be willing to do it unless his body wouldn't let him wrestle anymore.
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Dude, he has magical heeling powers. He's never getting seriously injured.
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Dear Cleveland.... please be a hot crowd!
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So last night when JBL entered the ring you could see Kane crouching at ring side. usually the announcers are quick to be like WAIT WHO'S THIS OMG KANE but no one said anything, so I'm guessing he hid under the ring, but he definitely F'd up if it was supposed to be a surprise.
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So I'm watching RAW now, just to see what the fuss is about.
Well-played McMahon's?
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Why didn't Dutch Mantel come out with a different sign everytime a new participant came into the Rumble?!?! I literally laughed out loud at everytime he appears with a sign!
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Why don't you call him by his current ring name? It would be like calling Umaga Jamal or something.
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- Vince McMahon issued an edict this afternoon that the script for tonight's RAW needed to be heavily tweaked due to the crowd reaction at last night's pay-per-view. Writers were still working on changes about two hours ago. One source noted that Vince was not changing the script because of the negative reaction to Batista and the John Cena vs. Randy Orton match, but "in spite of it."
The new script reportedly is a vast improvement from the original direction.
Edit:
- WWE officials did not plan on the negative fan reaction at the Royal Rumble but Daniel Bryan not being in the Rumble main event played into the storyline that he's having to overcome "the machine" wanting to hold him down. WWE is behind the idea of wanting the fans to be outraged that Bryan isn't being pushed more.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take anything away from Daniel Bryan. He's definitely a very talented wrestler, and there's a lot to love about him. But sometimes I can't help but wonder where he would be if someone else had beaten him to the 'yes' punch.
Well, technically, Bryan stole that from UFC's Diego Sanchez. He always does that when he goes to the octagon.
Why don't you call him by his current ring name? It would be like calling Umaga Jamal or something.
Because he's fucking Dirty Dutch! He will always be Dirty Dutch Mantel to me!!
IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMNIT!!
No, but really, growing up the man was a stapled of the island's wrestling scene and I fucking haaaated him! FUCKING HATED HIM! And I can't let go of that :lol
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maybe Bryan will win MITB?
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PWInsider has confirmed reports that negotiations are ongoing between Sting and WWE. Word is that a decision must be made within the next 2 weeks on whether or not Sting is going to join the company.
The impression was also given, within WWE, that there will not be a match against The Undertaker, at least at this year's WrestleMania event. However, the idea of Sting debuting at WrestleMania XXX with some kind of cameo or vignette has been discussed.
While it was believed on Monday that no deal had been signed yet, RF Video's Rob Feinstein noted on Facebook this morning that he heard Sting signed a deal with WWE in the last 24 hours, for what it's worth.
It's looking good for Sting vs Undertaker at WM31 :hat
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So, uh, apparently CM Punk quit the WWE. No clue if this is a work or not, but it sure sounds like it could be legit. Given that he is not one to tow the line, and with his contract expiring this summer, maybe the aggravation of not getting the main event of WM again, while seeing it go to a guy who just came back after being gone for years, pushed him over the edge. Plus, he probably saw the writing on the wall and knew HHH was gonna bury him at WM anyway in their rumored match.
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He's gone. Just like that. Gone. I wonder what's the next part of his life if this is not a work?
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I wanted Daniel Bryan to finally get a match with HHH, but not if CM Punk quits :(
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Yep, that's the pisser. If Punk leaving is not a work, then Bryan/HHH will definitely happen, cause HHH's ego is too big for him not to have a match at Wrestlemania, so he will in essence once again be letting his own selfishness get in the way of what is best. If that happens, 80K fans booing the crap out of the Orton/Batista main event will be entertaining. However, fearful of that kind of backlash, I could see Vince moving Undertaker/Lesnar to the final slot on the card.
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Well The Undertaker's match should be the Main Event every year. Honestly when was the last time the Main Event was better or had a hotter crowd than The Undertaker's match?
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So, uh, apparently CM Punk quit the WWE. No clue if this is a work or not, but it sure sounds like it could be legit. Given that he is not one to tow the line, and with his contract expiring this summer, maybe the aggravation of not getting the main event of WM again, while seeing it go to a guy who just came back after being gone for years, pushed him over the edge. Plus, he probably saw the writing on the wall and knew HHH was gonna bury him at WM anyway in their rumored match.
According to wrestleview Punk approached Vince before Monday night RAW and told Vince he was going home
WWE has since pulled all CM Punk advertissing on future events
edit: also
https://www.tmz.com/2014/01/29/cm-punk-quit-wwe-wrestlemania-batista/
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A lot of this has already been covered here, but here are my thoughts regardless.
By now, everyone who cares about wrestling has most likely heard the news. CM Punk has left WWE. To me, this is entirely different than when Steven Austin went home instead of putting over Brock Lesnar back in 2002. I still feel that Austin was very wrong for that. He refused to put over an up and comer despite the fact that countless wrestlers put Austin over.
If CM Punk really left, it has to be because despite grinding, night in and night out, he, along with everyone else that has grinded, were passed up in the opportunity to close out WMXXX in favor of someone who left the company in 2010. Batista was gifted the Royal Rumble win in his FIRST MATCH BACK. I can’t help to feel that Punk may have been promised that Rumble win and that slot in the main event of WMXXX due to the fact that he went along with having The Rock take the title from him at last year’s show, as well as working The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
If that is the case, and Batista was handed something that Punk was promised then I can’t blame CM Punk for leaving. It would be one thing if creative decided at the last second to put over Daniel Bryan, Roman Reigns, or another full time wrestler instead of him. I believe that Punk would have went along with that. I believe that Punk is a team player. But in creative’s decision to once again outsource the Main Event of Wrestlemania to Team-Part time, what they essentially told CM Punk was that, they had more faith in Dave Batista to draw for WM than him. I can’t blame Punk for taking offense to such an absurd notion.
Normally I would say that a guy like Punk should have stuck it out for the benefit of the locker room. But I truly believe that Punk leaving will actually help the boys in the back. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Unfortunately, this all but eliminates any possibility of Daniel Bryan getting into that WWEWHC Match at Mania. He will most likely be the one to face Triple H. But this may work out in WWE’s favor, as they could very well decide that Bryan and Trips should be the final match of the show, even with the absence of the Championship.
With all of that said, I am still a big fan of CM Punk. And I will follow his career if he chooses to continue it, regardless of where it takes him.
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Excellent post Chris.
And if you ain't down with that, I got two words for ya ...
Lol WWE
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Yep. I read an article about it on yahoo where the writer basically says that Punk leaving is legit, but he doesn't think this is the end for Punk in WWE. I could see him taking a while off, getting over the burnout, and then negotiating an even better contract than before and returning. If nothing else, Vince is a guy who will bring back money makers, and while Punk might not be the machine Cena is at drawing, he still makes them a ton of money, and Vince knows this.
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- PWInsider reports that WWE sources indicate CM Punk quitting WWE had nothing to do with Batista personally and it wasn't Batista that caused the decision. It was more a collection of issues including being burnt out, injuries, a difference in what WWE saw as a big push for Punk and what he felt was one, specifically facing Triple H at WrestleMania XXX.
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Right. I am sure HHH thinks facing him at Wrestlemania is some huge honor. :lol :lol
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Apparently WWE are holding all-day creative meetings to reevaluate all of their plans. Of course, I only read that on one site, so take it with a grain of salt, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Sounds like some of this stuff might be leading to some legitimate changes.
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And interesting Q&A with Mr. Punk (before he "left").
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9si8cIjAaVo#t=45
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And interesting Q&A with Mr. Punk (before he "left").
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9si8cIjAaVo#t=45
Just watched this, and him leaving is not surprising in light of some of the things he said there. What he said about the writers is totally right. Not to harp on the "good old days" again, but back in the day, feuds and storylines evolved over the span of weeks and months, and when it finally got to Wrestlemania, so many of the matches were those feuds hitting their peak. Compare that to now, where Wrestlemania is two months away, and yet what major feuds are there that have been building for a while? Almost none. The main event of Wrestlemania should be a major feud hitting its peak, like Hogan/Savage, Bret/HBK, or even Orton/HHH. Nowadays, they just throw shit against the wall every week to see what works, and God only knows if something that happens will even matter two weeks from now, since they drop stuff all of the time and move on. It's just a mess.
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Amen. One word... competition (or lack of it). Back in the 'good ole days', they had to build a national brand and compete with all the territories, then WCW. They still had it in the Attitude era to some extent (maybe because they had so much talent, it was like being a kid in a candy store). Then, they lost the ability to come up with much of anything that was new and interesting. It's been a real long time since there's been any quality writing or character development.
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I love Dean Ambrose's reaction the whole time the midget was in the ring.
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Apparently there was a petition on whitehouse.gov to get Daniel Bryan a WWE title shot. Supposedly it got over 100,000 signatures before being removed. :lolpalm:
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That's pretty dumb.
The irony is that all of this Daniel Bryan and CM Punk stuff this week has gotten the WWE all kinds of mainstream coverage, and their stock is up, which basically tells Vince that all of this is good.
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I'd say. I even tuned into Raw for the first time in forever, as a result.
The program actually seemed better than it had been in a long, long time. But still not great.
Not sure what all the fuss about Danial Bryan is, though. He's really not great on the mic.
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Watch him in the ring. That sums it up. When he goes on those rampages where he is running across the ring, yelling as he nears impact, and does those flying dropkicks, that is fun as hell to watch. And that dropkick off the top rope where he does it head-on is totally awesome.
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Daniel Bryan has been legit since day one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTUCSZ1YAto
Also, youtube some of his promos with Kane when they were in anger management. Classic.
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I'm really hoping this whole Punk thin is a work, although I don't think it is. WM XXX is starting to look pretty shitty.
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Also, youtube some of his promos with Kane when they were in anger management. Classic.
Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fczaCIxMMwU
Team Hell No's run was all kinds of fun!
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Also, youtube some of his promos with Kane when they were in anger management. Classic.
Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fczaCIxMMwU
Team Hell No's run was all kinds of fun!
YES!!!
More - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-8tTZosDU
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Also, youtube some of his promos with Kane when they were in anger management. Classic.
Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fczaCIxMMwU
Team Hell No's run was all kinds of fun!
YES!!!
More - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-8tTZosDU
"OH THERE IT IS! THERE IT IS! IT'S THE BEAR HUG! THIS IS IT, JOSH!"
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I had forgotten about the "Shut up, Phil" that was hilarious!
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While it may appear they are going in the direction of Kane vs. Daniel Bryan after this week's TV shows, the source didn't expect Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan to be changed. Regarding that match, nobody within WWE expects Bryan to go over.
Of course he won't go over :lol
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Is it really so bad to be beaten in a match? I never understood the egos of these guys. It's all pretend so why does it matter?
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Is it really so bad to be beaten in a match? I never understood the egos of these guys. It's all pretend so why does it matter?
HHH has one of the biggest egos in wrestling, so it matters that he just buries people. Cena is one of their top guys, and he had no problem getting cleanly beaten by Daniel Bryan. I respect that.
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Yeah, as much as I dislike what Cena represents to today's WWE, I respect him! He has no issue losing the title to CM Punk or to Daniel Bryan cleanly.
The thing with HHH is that to him they DO matter, he won't let anyone go over him cleanly. Unless he knows he'll win in a rematch in a "bigger stage" (Undertaker at WM being the exception).
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I don't know where to put this, but Chris Jericho's podcast, Talk Is Jericho, has Charlie Benante from Anthrax and Portnoy as his guests and that they are apparently going to have a discussion about the Beatles just to let you guys know.
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I'll be sure to never listen to that.
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I'll be sure to never listen to that.
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I'll be sure to never listen to that.
:rollin :rollin
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I was pretty excited about this....
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Awesome!
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Looks like Hogan's back, and he'll be hosting WM30
https://www.wwe.com/inside/hulk-hogan-returns-to-wwe-26183295
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awesome news, this is where he belongs!
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As long as he's not wrestling, I'm fine with it.
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I'm okay with Hogan hosting 30. He was a big reason why Wrestlmania got off the ground. At least he's not working a match. Hopefully his segments don't take as much time as the Rock's promos' skits videos in the past few Manias. I want to see as many everynighters work on the biggest night as possible.
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How about Cesaro? His recent matches with Orton and Cena were outstanding! If WWE is pushing him to distract me from Punk's absence.... IT'S WORKING!
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I'm all for Cesaro getting a mega push; all of his matches are great.
And I think Hogan can be utilized well with the new network. Speaking of which, what are the opinions of the network including Over the Edge from 1999. I understand wanting to technically include every ppv ever made, but I really don't see the need to include this one.
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They've said they're editing it out any mention to what happen to Owen Hart so I don't really have a problem with it.
Even if they didn't, I wouldn't have a problem.
EDIT: I'm also all for the Cesaro push! The dude is amazing! And it's nice to see the WWE is back in his corner, after he first debuted and got a push all of the sudden the WWE started to bury him for some reason.
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Seth Rollins is a god!
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Hearing the crowd boo the shit out of Batista is making my night.
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They chanted Boo-tista, that was awesome.
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Easily the highlight of the night :hefdaddy
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WWE Network... so far.. so awesome. A couple of pictures...
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Easily the highlight of the night :hefdaddy
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YES! YES! YES!
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WWE Network... so far.. so awesome. A couple of pictures...
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They're acknowledging Benoit's existence?! I call BS! :lol
And nice touch with the Owen Hart dedication.
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I think it was easier and cheaper to just acknowledge him than to go out and edit the shitton of PPV's he was in.
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I think it was easier and cheaper to just acknowledge him than to go out and edit the shitton of PPV's he was in.
Bingo.
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I was just kidding! :lol
At least that's one less bit of WWE revisionist history to worry about, but I'm sure they're still making plenty of changes.
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I am really not looking forward to Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania.
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I am really not looking forward to Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania.
It has the potential to be a good match, but I think it will probably end up a bit of a stinker. They could have chosen a much better matchup, but they could also have chosen worse I suppose.
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My main concern is that they're going to have to water down Brock Lesnar to make the match work. His offense is typically very high-impact, and I'm not sure how many bumps like that Undertaker can take at his age without risking injury. That's one of the main reason I liked Dolph Ziggler as a possible opponent for Taker; his offense is much lighter, and those two could have a prolonged match with much risk of Taker getting hurt. But Lesnar, on the other hand, is supposed to be a brutal animal, and I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of an aging Undertaker trying to sell a vicious beating from a brutal animal. I'm afraid that either the match won't last very long, or Lesnar will have to be pretty restricted on his offense.
I hope to be proven wrong, though. Maybe Undertaker's healthier than I give him credit for and they'll be able to put on a great match.
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I have the same concerns. Lesnar is a big power guy. Hopefully this match doesn't take too much out of Taker.
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So, they are really sticking with Orton/Batista, while Bryan gets stuck in a match with HHH? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
What an awful card for WM 30.
Stupid crap like that is why I would never order the WWE Network. Vince McMahon ain't getting ANY of my money.
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If they go with Orton vs Batista and Triple H vs Bryan, that's fine. But I would like to see a stipulation that if Bryan wins his match at WM, he gets a title shot that same night at WM against the winner of Orton/Batista.
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But I would like to see a stipulation that if Bryan wins his match at WM, he gets a title shot that same night at WM against the winner of Orton/Batista.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
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So, they are really sticking with Orton/Batista, while Bryan gets stuck in a match with HHH? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
What an awful card for WM 30.
On the plus side, the crowd is gonna let them have it, as they have since the Rumble.
Of course that's little consolation for HHH running everything into the ground.
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Brock Lesnar can destroy the "world's strongest man" but Old Man Taker is a threat?
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I just watched the PPV. The Shield vs the Wyatts was a great match. All of the Shield members could go on to bigger things, so they better not waste what they're building up there.
The Batista match was hilarious. Despite having whatshisface come out like a scumbag and beat the crap out of Batista before the match to make Batista the underdog, the crowd still booed the hell out of him from the very first move. I love it. BOOTISTA!
The elimination chamber match was great too, and made pretty much everyone look good. Despite the loss, it felt like they were building up Bryan, so I don't understand what the go is with WM at all.
And Bray Wyatt sucks. I don't know why he's getting such a push, and why he's seemingly involved in everything. Even the other misc Wyatts put on a better show.
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Yeah, I'm starting to agree with that. Wyatt has a good gimmick, but Harper is by far the best wrestler of the three and his promos sound like a bunch of nonsense most of the time.
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Maybe I shouldn't at this point, but when that gong hits, I get goosebumps. Every, single, time.
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Yeah, I don't get the love for Bray Wyatt either. Okay, his promos are pretty good sometimes, but that is largely because he has been given a good gimmick. In the ring, he is very limited, as seen last night where even Reigns didn't look as great as usual in their singles match because Wyatt being a huge fat ass prevents him from doing high-intensity, fast spots, which have been the specialty of the whole Shield. Basically, the entire Wyatt family looks like a bunch of out of shape rednecks who make you think, "What are these guys doing in a wrestling ring?"
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Uncle Elmer's kids?
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And Bray Wyatt sucks. I don't know why he's getting such a push, and why he's seemingly involved in everything. Even the other misc Wyatts put on a better show.
I'd encourage you to watch Bray's match against Daniel Bryan from the Royal Rumble. I get that anyone can have a good match with Bryan, but Bray was fantastic in it.
I do like Luke Harper as well. He's a bit underrated.
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And Bray Wyatt sucks. I don't know why he's getting such a push, and why he's seemingly involved in everything. Even the other misc Wyatts put on a better show.
I'd encourage you to watch Bray's match against Daniel Bryan from the Royal Rumble. I get that anyone can have a good match with Bryan, but Bray was fantastic in it.
I do like Luke Harper as well. He's a bit underrated.
I saw that match, and it was ALL Bryan. It annoyed me that the commentators were gushing the whole time about how great Wyatt was, when Bryan 100% carried that match.
It was a good match, but only because Wyatt didn't botch anything up while Bryan wrestled around him.
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That's true, Bryan carried that match. Wyatt had a few good spots, but there were few and far in between compared to Bryan.
That running cross body block thing he does looks awesome though.
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Daniel Bryan can make anyone look good. I remember him having a match with Ryback last summer where even he looked good (and his matches are usually snorefests!) because of Bryan. :lol :lol
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Is the title of this thread ever going to be updated?
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Yeah, we're a year off lol
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This is the only place that I don't see universal admiration for Bray Wyatt. I don't get it. Oh well.
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Well, wrestlings fans are pretty notorious for just lapping up whatever Vince throws their way - although it seems like lately that more and more are not, hence the backlash regarding the snoozer of a main event on the slate for WM30 - so I am not surprised that Wyatt is getting this supposed universal admiration of which you speak.
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Well, wrestlings fans are pretty notorious for just lapping up whatever Vince throws their way - although it seems like lately that more and more are not, hence the backlash regarding the snoozer of a main event on the slate for WM30 - so I am not surprised that Wyatt is getting this supposed universal admiration of which you speak.
When I say something, there's nothing supposed about it.
Chris Butler
Bray Wyatt's ability as a wrestler.... your opinion?
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Raymond Alexander Hargrove His only bad match was with Kane... I think as of now he's fair. But I'd have to see more of him.
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Brandon B-smilele Rodgers Bray is a Beast, he's 1 of the only guys that I've seen lately actually still doing wrestling holds... Follow the Buzzards..
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James Fraley He's amazing and plays his Role So well
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Bridgett Barnett Hate his ass
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Chris Butler So you hate his ability as a wrestler?
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Vam Williams hes great all around
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Jacob Mayberry He's great, Samoa Joe with a character
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Brandon B-smilele Rodgers If you hate Bray Wyatt.. Then you hate Wrestling Bridgett Barnett
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Brandon B-smilele Rodgers Bray is 1 of the guys that make the show good enough to watch
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Wayne Roberts His in ring ability was truly showcased at the chamber. Mike Rotonda is his dad so it stands to reason he is geared more for the dramatic and brutal while preforming. His moves are suited for his body type and can make you believe that he is playing coy until it is time to strike. It is a really really hard skill to master effectively. I think his in ring work is a great supplement to his character. He currently is a B+ preformer. But we have yet to see him truly go. It's all positive imo.
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Jin Plasky He's a big guy with that (as Jim Ross put it) that "third gear." I like him. Obviously, he can't fully be that technical marvel the IWC wants in every wrestler ever, but he's still real damn entertaining.
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Abdul Jones I have yet to see him have a bad match. And whoever came up with the Wyatt family idea give them a raise.
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Starchaser He is more of a brawler but the guy is talented he just needs more time to shine.
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Not "universal" praise... but still... a lot more credit than he's given here.
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The problem is that his gimmick is all he's got. And he was given that, and having a great gimmick can only take you so far if you aren't great in the ring or on the mic. Hell, Undertaker is easily the greatest gimmick ever, but he was already a good brawler in the ring when he was Mean Mark Callous in WCW in 1990. He just needed the right packaging and gimmick to totally get over, and the Undertaker one was it. I don't see Bray Wyatt being anything more than a gimmick that will fade away sooner rather than later.
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That's precisely why I solicited opinions of his wrestling ability, which is to say all gimmicks aside.
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I'm somewhere in between. I don't quite understand the massive amounts of love Wyatt gets on other sites I frequent, but I definitely don't agree with the dismissive opinion people seem to hold of him here, either. I think as an in-ring performer he ranges from decent to good, with the potential to be great. As a character, I think the gimmick is pretty awesome and he does a great job in the role.
So, yeah. I'm not totally sold on him at this point, but I think he has some talent for sure.
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Kev - weren't you the one that was upset that Bryan never got his revenge on HHH? And it was a shame that Bryan wasn't getting the push he deserved? Bryan is getting his shot at Wrestlemania, not to mention in HHH's first match in a long time. What are you complaining about? Could Bryan have a better match?
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Kev - weren't you the one that was upset that Bryan never got his revenge on HHH? And it was a shame that Bryan wasn't getting the push he deserved? Bryan is getting his shot at Wrestlemania, not to mention in HHH's first match in a long time. What are you complaining about? Could Bryan have a better match?
I'm not Kev, but I'll offer my take on the situation. WWE Creative force dusting off and feeding Batista down our throats when they have someone on the roster that is getting the biggest pops that this company has seen in years is a slap in the face to the fan base. Daniel Bryan, CM Punk and many others "deserved" that spot which was handed to Batista, and for what, because Batista has a movie coming out?
Having Bryan face Triple H at WM seems like a consolation prize. Wrestling for the Top Title in the main event is what Daniel Bryan's hard work and popularity warranted, not this mess with Triple H. It's just a way for Triple H to assure himself of being in one of the best matches on the card. Personally, I'd rather have seen Daniel Bryan vs. Kane at Mania (if he wasn't to get that title shot).
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I was never upset. Let's be serious. :lol
I just think the natural progression of the storyline should have seen Bryan get revenge on HHH for the way he screwed him over for months last summer and fall, but it never happen, and the Bryan/HHH match is only happening now because Punk left and HHH, being the attention whore that he is, just has to have a match. It reminds me of two years ago when Kevin Nash, HHH's buddy, cost Punk the title at SummerSlam, yet Punk was never allowed to get any revenge on Nash. No, HHH had to throw himself in the middle of the Punk storyline, which was huge, and not only beat Punk for no apparent reason, but also had to be the guy to beat Nash, instead of letting Punk get his revenge. It's lame.
Even if HHH does shock us all and put Bryan over, who cares? If that is all Bryan does at Wrestlemania, it's not enough. When the guy who has been your best and most exciting star of the year is not in the main event of WM, that is epic fail, especially when that main event is occupied by a guy who just came back and is clearly not in ring shape. It's not only a slap in the face to Bryan and the fans, but to the entire locker room.
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just my two cents but no one knows how Bryan really feels...he may love the push as the underdog who just cant seem to get over the hump
there is much more drama with a guy chasing and chasing his dream , than someone who achieves his dream and has nowhere to go from there
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just my two cents but no one knows how Bryan really feels...
Agreed.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Bryan in the main event. I think he deserves a WWE title run, and if he won the championship, I'd cheer as loud as the next guy. But I think it's a little silly that so many wrestling fans are so obsessed with the idea. People seem to think that if a wrestler isn't headlining Wrestlemania or winning the title, he's getting 'buried', but it's really not that simple. The truth is, there are quite a few guys in the WWE Hall of Fame that never headlined Wrestlemania or won the WWE title at all.
Bottom line, Daniel Bryan may not be the WWE champion or the 'face of the WWE', but he still has a lot going for him. And when he hears thousands of people screaming his name, I hope he's thinking "damn, this is awesome," not "damn, why am I not in the main event?!?"
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Bryan should be in the main event and win the belt at WM. Period. This would be like if they spent all of 1998 building up Austin, only to bring Ahmed Johnson back to fight Mankind at Mania.
I they close WM with Batista/Orton I guarantee you atleast 30% of the viewers will just turn it off. I know I will.
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It's true that Bryan might be just fine with the way he is being used, and honestly, I think fan reaction wouldn't be so angry right now if the main event was actually a good one. Bryan not being in the main event looks really egregious when you consider how bored fans are with Orton combined with the fact that the boring Batista just came back. I mean, two years ago, CM Punk deserved the main event, but considering Rock/Cena had been booked for a year, I think most were okay with it. But neither Orton nor Batista are a Rock or Cena.
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NXT Arrival is tonight on WWE Network. I'm more excited for this than I am for Mania.
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This show is going to be amazing.
Also....Triple H is such a face at NXT...
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Cesaro and Sami Zayn had an absolute beast of a match!!