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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: SoundscapeMN on January 11, 2011, 08:42:54 PM
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Joey Vera's posting on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/joeyveraofficial#!/joeyveraofficial/posts/101629139912211)
Learning tunes for the new John Arch record.
FUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHK
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Holy shit, this is news!!! Hopefully it's better than Twist of Fate.
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Hmm, that EP was pretty good, I have to go back and re-visit it.
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Hmmm, I wonder what the chances are of John tapping Mike again for the drums on this album. Also, will Jim be on it too? I think it'd be pretty sweet if John had the same line-up from his EP. Amidst all the prog and rock Mike has been surrounding himself with (via Neal Morse), he could probably use a (progressive) metal-outlet and this would probably be a good way to do that.
-Marc.
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Very exciting news, Twist of Fate was excellent! Hope it's a full length album this time.
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Interesting that all you guys liked the EP, it never did anything for me at the time. I'll have to go back and listen again.
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I like that EP ALOT!!!
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Not huge on the EP, but it'd be cool for a full length album. I'll be checking it out.
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YES. :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I thought I'd never live long enough to see this! The EP he released was pure perfection!
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=152526
OK, so it's not technically Fates Warning but Arch/Matheos, however all the musicians playing on this band ARE on the current incarnation of FW!!!
I guess they didn't want to fire Ray Alder after all these years, anyway as a long time Fates Warning fan I'm really looking forward to this NEW?? band :)
Opinions?
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Looking forward to it, should be cool.
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I hope this doesn't take priority over the new current Fates Warning album that they've been continuing to delay. I never particularly liked Arch-era Fates Warning, though.
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Yeah, I also hope it doesn't delay the new Fates album. But an album with Matheos, Arch, Jarzombek, Vera and Aresti is going to be amazing.
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I'm changing the thread title because it is quite frankly wrong.
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Considering the excellence of the Twist of Fate CD and the very good record of Fates Warning I'm really looking forward to this.
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Look at it this way, if nothing gets delayed, this year we'll get 2 albums from Fates Warning one with Ray and one with John, I know John's version will not be called FW, but let's be honest it's the same band with a different singer.
I'm really looking forward to this release!
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If the current lineup of Fates Warning was releasing an album WITH Ray Alder and chose not to call it Fates Warning it wouldn't be Fates Warning. These things have names for a reason.
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This is hysterical. This is Fates Warning. This is Arch-era Fates with the CURRENT Fates band.
Should be interesting. Can't wait.
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If the current lineup of Fates Warning was releasing an album WITH Ray Alder and chose not to call it Fates Warning it wouldn't be Fates Warning. These things have names for a reason.
This.
This is hysterical. This is Fates Warning. This is Arch-era Fates with the CURRENT Fates band.
And this. ...at the same time. ...I r confuse.
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I hope this doesn't take priority over the new current Fates Warning album that they've been continuing to delay. I never particularly liked Arch-era Fates Warning, though.
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new album/project now known as "Arch/Matheos"
Arch / Matheos currently tracking in the studio
AGOURA HILLS, Calif. – January 19, 2011 – Jim Matheos (current member of the progressive rock powerhouse Fates Warning and OSI) and John Arch (former vocalist of Fates Warning) are currently working together on a new full-length album that will be released in late spring/early summer via Metal Blade Records. The band, called ARCH / MATHEOS, began tracking the drums on January 12 and will continue to record through mid February with both John Arch and Jim Matheos producing the album.
ARCH / MATHEOS features an all-star lineup including the talents of Joey Vera on bass (Armored Saint, Anthrax, Fates Warning, Seven Witches), Bobby Jarzombek on drums (Halford, Fates Warning, Sebastian Bach, Riot), and Frank Aresti on additional lead guitar (Fates Warning). More details will be released over the coming months so be sure to stay tuned to FatesWarning.com & MetalBlade.com
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Reminds me of when the ex-members of Yes called their album: Anderson Wakeman Bruford Howe.
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I might be looking too much into this, but it sounds like FW w/ Ray Alder won't be resurfacing anytime soon. Maybe the success and great records by Redemption has played a role in the FW lineup now turning to Arch. Personally, I've never been a fan of Arch's voice.
Also, the name Arch/Matheos is kinda cheesy. I hope they reconsider and pick something a little more thought-provoking before the album is released.
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I might be looking too much into this, but it sounds like FW w/ Ray Alder won't be resurfacing anytime soon. Maybe the success and great records by Redemption has played a role in the FW lineup now turning to Arch. Personally, I've never been a fan of Arch's voice.
Also, the name Arch/Matheos is kinda cheesy. I hope they reconsider and pick something a little more thought-provoking before the album is released.
Hmmm... what about Archeos? (Pronounced Ar-Key-Oss)... Or Warnings Fate? :lol
-Marc.
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I thinks they should go for: Skcus Redla Yar.
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I might be looking too much into this, but it sounds like FW w/ Ray Alder won't be resurfacing anytime soon. Maybe the success and great records by Redemption has played a role in the FW lineup now turning to Arch. Personally, I've never been a fan of Arch's voice.
Also, the name Arch/Matheos is kinda cheesy. I hope they reconsider and pick something a little more thought-provoking before the album is released.
When I talked to Jim, he did say to me that FW felt a little stale, and that if anything, FWX really had elements of OSI in it. So maybe they just aren't motivated to do FW with Alder at this point.
I agree, I'm not huge on Arch's voice, but for me, it could be underexposure to it. I came into FW fandom through Ray, and obviously, there are only a handful of albums with Arch's voice. I am listening to Awaken the Guardian now, trying to re-familiarize myself with Arch-era FW, and Arch's voice.
Also agree that the name is laughable, but it may be by choice, to signify it is NOT a band, just a project.
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I might be looking too much into this, but it sounds like FW w/ Ray Alder won't be resurfacing anytime soon.
https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=151694
Feb. 10 - Turock - Essen, Germany
Feb. 11 - Het Bolwerk - Sneek, Holland
Feb. 12 - Bosuil - Weert, Holland
Feb. 13 - De Kelder - Amersfoort, Holland
FATES WARNING 2011 is:
Ray Alder (vocals)
Jim Matheos (guitar)
Frank Aresti (guitar)
Joey Vera (bass)
Bobby Jarzombek (drums)
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Cool on the tour dates. I think I should clarify...perhaps they just aren't feeling it creative-wise, for Fates Warning with Alder...meaning studio work.
Here's hoping new Alder-fronted FW is on the way, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Ray Alder (vocals)
Jim Matheos (guitar)
Frank Aresti (guitar)
Joey Vera (bass)
Bobby Jarzombek (drums)[/b]
An album with this lineup would be HUGE!!!!
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No, I think they'd just use the standard sized CDs.
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I might be looking too much into this, but it sounds like FW w/ Ray Alder won't be resurfacing anytime soon. Maybe the success and great records by Redemption has played a role in the FW lineup now turning to Arch. Personally, I've never been a fan of Arch's voice.
Also, the name Arch/Matheos is kinda cheesy. I hope they reconsider and pick something a little more thought-provoking before the album is released.
When I talked to Jim, he did say to me that FW felt a little stale, and that if anything, FWX really had elements of OSI in it. So maybe they just aren't motivated to do FW with Alder at this point.
I agree, I'm not huge on Arch's voice, but for me, it could be underexposure to it. I came into FW fandom through Ray, and obviously, there are only a handful of albums with Arch's voice. I am listening to Awaken the Guardian now, trying to re-familiarize myself with Arch-era FW, and Arch's voice.
Also agree that the name is laughable, but it may be by choice, to signify it is NOT a band, just a project.
I also got into FW with Ray to start with. The first thing I ever heard/seen was the video for Silent Cries on head bangers ball back in the 80's but, I didn't really get into the band until Perfect Symmetry. Years later when I heard the earlier material with John Arch I really didn't know what to think of it. He was probably the oddest vocalist that I had heard up to that point. It took me some time but, now I consider Awaken the Guardian one of the greatest metal albums of all time. JA is an aquired taste and I definately understand it when people find him hard to listen to. I felt the same way at one point, after all.
If this new album is half as good as the Twist of Fate EP then we're in for a big treat.
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Well, I guess what I'm saying is... I feel like Redemption is the band that now gets Ray Alder's voice for future creativity. Redemption and FW are similar-sounding prog metal bands, and we all know that Redemption kinda stemmed from FW with Nick van Dyk being a FW fan. I think Redemption started as a side project for Alder, but they've really become something great and (in my opinion) are on an equal playing field, if not slightly ahead, of FW in terms of music quality. So it seems weird for both bands to use Alder. It's like they'd be going head to head and fans would be comparing the bands endlessly -- saying they prefer Alder in FW or they prefer Alder in Redemption.
I'm sure that the FW guys have discussed the band's future during the Parallels tour last year. I mean, it was a long time ago when Matheos said that FW was working on new material, and then we never heard anything again. Now, they are working with Arch? Maybe FW and Alder have decided to let him keep doing Redemption for now, and any FW/Alder stuff will strictly be performances of the band's older stuff. Meanwhile, FW will resurrect Arch and see how that works for them.
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Cool on the tour dates. I think I should clarify...perhaps they just aren't feeling it creative-wise, for Fates Warning with Alder...meaning studio work.
Here's hoping new Alder-fronted FW is on the way, but I'm not holding my breath.
it would help to see an interview with Jim or especially Ray to get an idea about this. But there was 1 or 2 items as recently as last Summer about the band working on a new record, including Bobby Jarzombek saying he was learning music for some 20-something minute tune for it.
Now, perhaps said tune/ideas ended up for this John Arch project (A Twist of Fate of course included 2 rather lengthly pieces itself i.e. a 20-something minute song from Arch/Matheos wouldn't seem strange), but who knows.
The guys on UsedBin Radio may be having any of the members of this Arch-and-co project on their music-talk show soon, so perhaps more clarification about what the status of the studio work from Fates Warning and Ray is or looks to be happening, will come out then.
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https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=159674
FATES WARNING/OSI guitarist Jim Matheos and former FATES WARNING singer John Arch are currently working together on a new full-length album, "Sympathetic Resonance", that will be released in North America on September 13 via Metal Blade Records. The band, called ARCH/MATHEOS, began tracking the drums on January 12 and continued to record through mid-February with both John Arch and Jim Matheos producing the album.
ARCH/MATHEOS features an all-star lineup, including the talents of Joey Vera (ARMORED SAINT, ANTHRAX, FATES WARNING, SEVEN WITCHES) on bass, Bobby Jarzombek (HALFORD, FATES WARNING, SEBASTIAN BACH, RIOT) on drums, and Frank Aresti (FATES WARNING) on additional lead guitar.
Comments Matheos: "I think John and I work really well together. There's a lot of mutual respect and trust in what we do. But we're also both very critical of ourselves, and each other. This can make for a long and sometimes tedious process. But ultimately it's one I enjoy because I think it brings out the best in both of us."
Adds Arch: "When I first heard some of the arrangements Jim had written and recorded, it took quite some time before I could wrap my mind around the odd time signatures and guitar work going on here. There are some long compositions, so putting anxiety and apprehension on the back burner it was time to dissect these numbers into digestible bits. After the lengthy process of lyrics and melodies, listening to the songs now, I can't imagine them any other way."
In terms of the lyrical content on "Sympathetic Resonance", John Arch notes that "the lyrics this time around are more in line with [Arch's 2003 solo EP] 'A Twist Of Fate' and not of the mystical nature of some past albums."
ARCH/MATHEOS recording lineup:
* John Arch (FATES WARNING) - Vocals
* Jim Matheos (FATES WARNING, OSI) - Guitar
* Joey Vera (ARMORED SAINT, ANTHRAX, FATES WARNING, SEVEN WITCHES) - Bass
* Bobby Jarzombek (HALFORD, FATES WARNING, SEBASTIAN BACH, RIOT) - Drums
* Frank Aresti (FATES WARNING) - Additional Lead Guitar
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I am excited, this has great potential.
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Yeah, and that lineup is amazing. I've waited a long time for Frank to return recording some music.
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New website just launched a few minutes ago and it includes a 5-minute teaser of their single: https://www.archmatheos.com/
Press release:
AGOURA HILLS, Calif. – July 11, 2011 – The new progressive rock band, ARCH/ MATHEOS, has released the first single off the group's upcoming full-length debut Sympathetic Resonance. The new track, a 5 minute clip of the song Stained Glass Sky that clocks in at just less than 14 minutes, can be heard HERE.
Cover art for Sympathetic Resonance was fashioned using an image created by light painting photographer Dennis Calvert, who has described light painting as "The ability to see in 4 dimensions, time traveling, and creating fantasy using only what we base all reality on, light."
Tracklisting:
1) Neurotically Wired
2) Midnight Serenade
3) Stained Glass Sky
4) On the Fence
5) Any Given Day (Strangers Like Me)
6) Incense and Myrrh
The band -accompanied by Joey Vera on bass, Bobby Jarzombek on drums, and Frank Aresti on additional lead guitar- began tracking the drums on January 12 and continued to record through March with Jim Matheos producing. ARCH/ MATHEOS is pleased to announce Sympathetic Resonance as the title of the debut album, which will be released September 13, 2011 in North America.
Lineup:
John Arch – vocals (former Fates Warning)
Jim Matheos – guitars (Fates Warning, OSI)
Joey Vera – bass (Armored Saint, Anthrax, Fates Warning, Seven Witches)
Bobby Jarzombek – drums (Halford, Fates Warning, Sebastian Bach, Riot)
Frank Aresti - additional lead guitar (Fates Warning)
https://www.facebook.com/archmatheos
https://twitter.com/archmatheos
Cover art:
(https://pad.indiemerch.com/i/3/7/379d273c35.jpg)
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here is a track from the new album...
https://www.archmatheos.com/
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I like the sound of the track. Although Arch's singing here is a bit different from the Arch-era Fates Warning, I would still have to agree with the standard description of his delivery that it "is an acquired taste." :lol Still, it was already starting to grow on my just be the end of that clip. Suffice it to say, my curiosity has officially been piqued, and I will most likely be picking this up when it is released.
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I'm still not much of an Arch fan, but I love Jim Matheos, so I'm sure I'll pick this up, at least eventually.
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That heavy riff in the sample is really cool.
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I like the sound of the track. Although Arch's singing here is a bit different from the Arch-era Fates Warning, I would still have to agree with the standard description of his delivery that it "is an acquired taste." :lol Still, it was already starting to grow on my just be the end of that clip. Suffice it to say, my curiosity has officially been piqued, and I will most likely be picking this up when it is released.
I agree. His voice is definitely an acquired taste. I guess I was always comparing him to Ray Alder because they were the two FW vocalists, and few people can top Ray in my opinion. So it took me a while to appreciate Arch's voice. But he can sing his butt off.
I love the artwork too and the Arch/Matheos logo is pretty cool too. Can't wait to see some tour dates posted!
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Fates is one of those bands that I have given chances to time and time and time again over the years, but have never really clicked with at all past a small handful of songs. But after listening to this clip yet again, I have to say that if the rest of the album is this good, this could easily sneak into my top 3 for the year.
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Just listened to the new track and I like what I hear so far. Defiantly sounds like a modern extrapolation of Arch-era Fates. Even though I like all of the stuff they did with Alder, the Arch era was pretty damn impressive considering when it was made. Seriously, though, they couldn't have come up with a better name for the band? Couldn't they just have pulled a Dio/Sabbath thing and called the band something like Awaken the Guardian or The Spectre Within? I guess it doesn't matter, as long as the music rocks. I wonder... if this band takes off, what does that mean for the current incarnation of FW. First Alder starts spending most of his time in Redemption, and now this? I know Matheos said they are working on a new album with Alder, but still, it seems like the odds of that lineup continuing are becoming more and more slim.
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There was announcement last week that Fates Warning (with Alder) are releasing a disc next year. So that should be cool. I didn't like the Arch/Matheos name either at first. But it grew on me. I actually suggested Prelude to Ruin when they were soliciting band names via Facebook. This new clip is growing on me by leaps and bounds in a matter of hours. I freakin love it.
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Good news, now JM can go back to helping KM with the next OSI.
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That song is amazing!! I'm so damn excited for this. Great tune, Arch sounds really great and Frank's solo was mindblowing. Great to hear him back on record, such an underrated guitarist.
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That song was really, really good. I always preferred Arch to Alder, and wish they'd just call this Fates Warning. Ray Alder doesn't sound like he's every coming back, honestly.
Anyway, September 13th will be an awesome day for music.
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That song was really, really good. I always preferred Arch to Alder, and wish they'd just call this Fates Warning. Ray Alder doesn't sound like he's every coming back, honestly.
Anyway, September 13th will be an awesome day for music.
Agree with all of this. Let the man do his thing in Redemption; he seems happier there.
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Well, I'm sold by that 5 minute clip. And I love JA's singing style. I'm REALLY looking foward to this album.
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nice....
I will have to check out the clip.
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Interview with Jon Arch and Jim Matheos right now at the link below. Also, they are debuting two songs, including the 14-minute version of "Stained-Glass Sky."
https://www.metalmessiahradio.com
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I am SO getting this album when it comes out.
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Arch sounds freaking incredible! Holy cow. The interviewer told me he's posting a podcast on that site within the hour. It shoudl include the interview and both songs. I missed the first song and half the interview.
EDIT: Postcast link: https://heavymetalthunder.podbean.com/
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Metal Blade interview with John Arch and Jim Matheos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G23pp0zgYWA&feature=relmfu
Bobby Jarzombek - "In The Studio" Part 1 - ARCH/MATHEOS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgVu9lMter4
Enjoy! :metal
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Are these shipping soon? I preordered, but I completely forget when it comes out. :facepalm:
MY EARS ARE READY. :hefdaddy
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Too bad we don't have this...
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19623.0
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Too bad we don't have this...
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=19623.0
Sir, I demand you make that immediately.
*quietly bookmarks page and slinks away*
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I pre-ordered as well, and I can't wait. The song edit they've released keeps sounding better and better.
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The album is out for the media as of two days ago, so you should start seeing album reviews popping up I would assume by this weekend.
I passed. Not going to review it, so I didn't want to grab the freebie and not do something. But I will be buying the album. Can't wait.
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I really can't wait for this one.
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I passed. Not going to review it, so I didn't want to grab the freebie and not do something.
Nothing? NOTHING?! You could have given it to me! :D
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I have the album, it's better than the two songs they have been promoting had led me to believe. The opening track is absolutely killer I think.
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I still wish they could have taken the time to come up with an actual band name. Nobody but hard-core Fates fans (or prog metal fans who know the history of the band) are going to know who John Arch and Jim Matheos even are, and I doubt people who don't know them are going to be likely to pick up an album from a band named after two old dudes people don't know. I may be off base, but that's my take.
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I agree about the name. But I must say the Arch / Matheos logo looks cool. And I'm kinda used to the name now. I saw a video interview in which they said they tossed around band name ideas for about a month and nothing grabbed either one of them -- and the names they liked were already taken. Anyway, I've heard two of the tracks on various radio shows and they sound incredible. Hope they play some U.S. shows.
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Yeah, i dislike the name too, but whatever, I think this will be more of a prog metal non-mainstream thing anyway, so it won't matter to most.
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I still wish they could have taken the time to come up with an actual band name. Nobody but hard-core Fates fans (or prog metal fans who know the history of the band) are going to know who John Arch and Jim Matheos even are, and I doubt people who don't know them are going to be likely to pick up an album from a band named after two old dudes people don't know. I may be off base, but that's my take.
Well what were they supposed to do? I mean, their own names are the only things really identifiable. Even if they referenced an old FW reference and called themselves something like "Guardian", it's only old FW fans that would know what the hell it is. I think personalizing the title with actual names might spark some interest in what they'd done previously.
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Just pull an Asia Featuring John Payne. Fates Warning Featuring John Arch. Boom. Done. :P
(Not totally serious post.)
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I follow the Metal Blade CEO on FB. And some fans suggested the band name A Twist of Fate, which was the name of Arch's EP, and he said that name was taken and they'd considered it. I looked back on their Arch-era song titles and the coolest-sounding one was Prelude to Ruin. That could make a cool band name. Anyway, too late now lol. Only a week away from release. I know this will be a great album. Matheos never disappoints!
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I still wish they could have taken the time to come up with an actual band name. Nobody but hard-core Fates fans (or prog metal fans who know the history of the band) are going to know who John Arch and Jim Matheos even are, and I doubt people who don't know them are going to be likely to pick up an album from a band named after two old dudes people don't know. I may be off base, but that's my take.
Definitely, considering all the awesome song titles from the glory days they have to work with. "Prelude to Ruin" would have been a great name for this band.
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Yeah, i dislike the name too, but whatever, I think this will be more of a prog metal non-mainstream thing anyway, so it won't matter to most.
I agree with this. Bosk, you said that this is likely to only attract already-existing Fates fans, and that's true. But that's ok. I don't think this project is meant to become "the next big thing." It's a fun reunion of two musicians who used to work together. They may not be reaching for new fans, but I doubt at this point that's even on their agenda.
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6 days...
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It arrived! Yay! And there's an extra booklet signed by Arch and Matheos.
I... did not know we were getting that too. How awesome!
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Can't wait for lunch tomorrow. Two new records (A/M and DT) -- with the wife picking up the new Anthrax later. Should be an immense afternoon of progressive metal! :metal
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I already have the DT, but I'm excited for the Arch/Matheos. I've had the promo for however long now, but anything digital I just don't listen to much, can't wait to give the CD a few spins.
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Between a fantastic New DT Album and the re-union of Arch and Matheos, I think tomorrow morning my head is going to explode.
I can not wait :metal
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Just got home from work and found the Arch/Matheos disc and a nice t-shirt on my doorstep. I just put on my headphones and popped in the CD. Let the journey begin!
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Lucky :angry:
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I'm very much looking forward to hearing this album. Will be picking it up as well.
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Streaming the first half of the album now. Sounds amazing! :metal
https://www.guitarworld.com/exclusive-preview-new-archmatheos-album-sympathetic-resonance
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Listened to it three times or so while driving today... and it's good. :tup
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Holy shit, this album is way better than i expected.
Matheos has really outdone himself on this i believe.
I would prefer if this was a new album with Alder on vocals though.
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Brilliant piece of prog!
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Listening some more. So glad I ordered this. Really digging this.
<3 Arch's vocals.
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The album is just as fantastic as I was expecting. Its got that Arch-era vibe to it, but in a more contemporary vain.
If it was an official Fates Warning release, I would rank it up there with the best of them, but regardless its an excellent release on its own.
Now, if only they would tour, (one can dream)
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Just got this, and I'm loving it. It really sounds like what would have happened if the Awaken the Guardian era Fates Warning had kept making music together. Really amazing album.
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Currently getting stares from my colleagues in the newsroom for headbanging violently. Mission accomplished. :metal
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:lol I'll spin this later. Too busy with new DT at the moment, but I'm looking forward to this at the moment.
To the comment above about wishing this was done with Ray, I can understand that, but to me, I'm glad he isn't on this. I know I'm in the minority, but his voice is one of the problems I have with Fates. I don't like his high range for some reason. I love his more middle range stuff that he does with Redemption, but I just don't like the timbre of his voice when he goes really high and operatic. From the song I heard on A/M, Arch just kills it.
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I'm also glad it's Arch on this and not Alder. The main reason is that Arch has such a unique voice and singing style and how much stuff has he done for the last 20 years? Not much. But after all this time he unleashes on this album, at least the half of the album I heard from the Guitar World site yesterday. I'm buying this for sure.
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I didn't realize Alder was in the running to be on the Arch/Matheos album. :p
My point being this sounds a lot like Arch's Twist of Fate. This is not a /Matheos album, it's Arch/Matheos. I think if it had ended up as a Fates Warning album with Alder it would sound a LOT different than what we're hearing here, and I'm not just talking about the vocals.
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I think if it had ended up as a Fates Warning album with Alder it would sound a LOT different than what we're hearing here, and I'm not just talking about the vocals.
Except that Jim said he originally wrote these songs for Fates.
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Wow. Having gotten through this, a couple of quick comments:
1. This is the greatest single day in music history this year, and perhaps of all time.
2. I'm not sure of the order yet, and I know there is a LOT of music still due out in the next couple of months, but I'm pretty sure I've got my top 2 albums of the year.
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I think if it had ended up as a Fates Warning album with Alder it would sound a LOT different than what we're hearing here, and I'm not just talking about the vocals.
Except that Jim said he originally wrote these songs for Fates.
Yes, they started as Fates songs, but I think that the similarities to A Twist of Fate shows that Arch had a big hand in working with and changing the songs.
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I think if it had ended up as a Fates Warning album with Alder it would sound a LOT different than what we're hearing here, and I'm not just talking about the vocals.
Except that Jim said he originally wrote these songs for Fates.
I think it was only a couple of the songs that he had already written for Fates Warning.
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First thought: nothing on it is as good as Relentless but it's too early to tell and it's definitely a grower.
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Looking forward to picking this up. What are the guitar solos like? Do they let Frank shred?
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Looking forward to picking this up. What are the guitar solos like? Do they let Frank shred?
There are some great solos on this-I don't know if you'd call them "shreddy" but the guitar solos are pretty damn good. :metal
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This will contend for album of the year. And I concur that September 2011 might just be the best month EVER for new
releases. Some teriffic guitar playing on this and also great rhythym section. 10/10
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Jim Matheos absolutely kills on this album. There are some GREAT riffs. If I wasn't still waiting on the new Haken release, I'd probably anoint Sympathetic Resonance as album of the year.
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This album is incredible. Funny listening to this and Anthrax, but I keep having this thought that John Arch has aged much better than Joey Belladonna, not that Joey's bad, mind you.
John Arch is certainly unique. My only complaint is that with his delivery, my ears start to glaze over, and I really have to pay attention to the music to find the transitions, but that said, he f#%king wails on this.
And I can't help thinking how great Jim Matheos is, but how little output he's had over the years. So frustrating.
One more thing...has anyone done more to enhance his skills over the years than Joey Vera. I have the utmost respect for him as a musician. I mean, to start out as the bass player from a little band called Armored Saint in the early 80's to where he is now. Hats off to him!
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As good as his work with Fates Warning has been, I really think Jim has hit his stride in recent years. The three OSI albums are fantastic, and this album is sounding excellent as well. If the new OSI album, which comes out early next year, and the new Fates Warning album he's supposed to start working on are even close to being on the same level, he's going to have his name on an epic run of albums.
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Unfortunately, I cannot get into the OSI stuff.
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I'm having my girlfriend pick this up for me today. I'm trusting you guys on this one (well, trusting my love for FW as well).
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It is truly amazing. If this helps: I am completely in love with the new DT album. Since I became a fan in 1992, the ONLY album I have had this strong an initial reaction to is SFAM. I like ADTOE that much already. And, yet, on my commute home yesterday, while I was listening to ADTOE, my hand involuntarily reached up and ejected the CD mid-song and popped in the Arch/Matheos disk. It's that good.
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I love Midnight Seranade, Stained-Glass Sky and Incense and Myrrh. Those all grabbed me immediately and I love them. The others are taking me a bit longer to embrace. But that always happens to me with Arch stuff. It took me a while before A Twiste of Fate clicked in. I have no doubt i will passionately love them very shortly. And the album artwork is really nice. I love it. So great to see Arch back in the prog scene.
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Posted this somewhere else and thought I'd post it here as well:
This is going to sound negative simply because I can't find a better way to word it, but it's really not meant as a criticism: Arch's scale and not choices are just bizarre. From a musical standpoint, I have no idea what he's doing. And yet...somehow, it always works and sounds just brilliant. He obviously knows exactly what he is doing because I just don't think there is any way you could hit the notes in sequence that he does and have it be accidental. I never really consciously noticed that before, but then again, I haven't really listened to him much. But it makes me wonder about something. I made an observation once about Charlie Dominicci that some of his note choices just seem to random at time. They're always somehow on key, but he has a knack for choosing notes that seem to come out of nowhere and almost seem random, except that they are in the correct key for the song. I wonder if he became a John Arch fan and was trying to mimmick Arch's style way back when he was in DT. Maybe not, but I've never really heard anyone else other than those two where something like his jumped out so blatantly.
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Hey bosk, Monument is sung by Ray.
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Oh, really? It's been so long since I listened, that I forgot that. Well...fine then. :lol
But as far as the main point of my post, what do you think?
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Oh, really? It's been so long since I listened, that I forgot that. Well...fine then. :lol
But as far as the main point of my post, what do you think?
Yeah, comes off their Inside Out album released in 1994.
I haven't heard Arch/Matheos yet. I'm hoping I can find it instore this weekend, if not I'll have to order online. I have always been torn with my opinions on his voice. I think what you are saying could have something to do with it. IN songs like Apparition and Guardian his melodies are fabulous and his voice sounds wonderful. There are some other songs where some of his vocals just sound a little weird. I'm not entirely sure if it's his tone or it's his choice of notes and melodies. I will say some of his vocal melodies make it harder to get into a song more than other because they are so different, so yeah, I guess I understand what you are saying. I think he makes some melodies just too complicated and overcrowded sometimes. His vocals do always work and sound good through.
Hmm...very hard to pinpoint and put in words. :lol
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I hear ya, Wolf. I had a real hard time getting into Fates in the 80's.
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Arch is a monster on this CD, especially on "Stained-Glass Sky" which is atm my favorite progressive metal song of the year. It's so hard to believe that someone who was out of music, except for one EP, since the late 80s is capable of what John Arch pulls off on this CD. His vocal lines ARE odd, but yet they work and sound amazing.
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. It's so hard to believe that someone who was out of music, except for one EP, since the late 80s is capable of what John Arch pulls off on this CD.
This was my sole thought while listening to this. Incredible.
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Man I hope I can get a hold of this cd this weekend, I'm so looking forward to it. I'm especially excitied of the return of Frank Aresti, who has been virtually inactive besides one solo on an Eidolon album and one very average solo album since Inside Out. Love his guitar playing, so underrated.
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Posted this somewhere else and thought I'd post it here as well:
This is going to sound negative simply because I can't find a better way to word it, but it's really not meant as a criticism: Arch's scale and not choices are just bizarre. From a musical standpoint, I have no idea what he's doing. And yet...somehow, it always works and sounds just brilliant. He obviously knows exactly what he is doing because I just don't think there is any way you could hit the notes in sequence that he does and have it be accidental. I never really consciously noticed that before, but then again, I haven't really listened to him much. But it makes me wonder about something. I made an observation once about Charlie Dominicci that some of his note choices just seem to random at time. They're always somehow on key, but he has a knack for choosing notes that seem to come out of nowhere and almost seem random, except that they are in the correct key for the song. I wonder if he became a John Arch fan and was trying to mimmick Arch's style way back when he was in DT. Maybe not, but I've never really heard anyone else other than those two where something like his jumped out so blatantly.
It's so hard to latch onto the vocal melodies on Sympathetic Resonance. Not only are the note choices often odd, but there are just so MANY different notes in the lines. They just keep coming, often without clear and typical points of emphasis. Covering some of these songs would be a nightmare.
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To the Dominici comment above, I agree completely.
It's much easier to understand and appreciate CD's WDADU performance if you put him in the context of what other prog metal vocalists were doing at that time, Jon Arch especially. Under that light, he's not so "out there."
The problem is, that whole style (the same you hear on this record)was, which is why CD had to go if DT were gonna break out.
I'm still on the fence as to whether I agree with you and Sam on this album, though. I really, really like it. And it does have a sort of special drawing power to it that ADTOE doesn't have. It's much more "albumy" to me, tbh, and it's the kind of disc I just want to delve into and find out what is going on and what it is that JA is wailing about... Yeah, I think that's it: lyrics. This album has really good lyrics, even if I don't know what they're about yet. That's the one thing this album definitely has on the new DT.
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So, it's really tough deciding which of these albums is the better. Since both bands are "progressive metal" bands, I'm going to judge each by the progressiveness and metalness brought by each, and then the lyrical depth and melodies, because those categories are important to me.
Progressiveness/Technicality: A Dramatic Turn of Events is the clear winner hear. There's some really astounding instrumental stuff going on in that album, which I don't think anyone will deny.
Metalness: I think Sympathetic Resonance is the clear winner here. ADTOE is good, but it doesn't really bring the metal the way SR does or even the way past DT albums have.
Melody: Going with ADTOE for this. Melody has never really been FW's strong-suite, anyway. And while Jon Arch literally carries the melody for most the songs on SR I think all the instruments really work toward strong melodies on ADTOE
Lyrical Depth: Probably SR. I don't really understand what the lyrics are about (or maybe I should just say *are*), but I'm not really thrilled to pieces with those on ADTOE.
So... 2:2. If I factor in album art and stuff, though, ADTOE would win.
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Lyrical Depth: Probably SR. I don't really understand what the lyrics are about (or maybe I should just say *are*), but I'm not really thrilled to pieces with those on ADTOE.
Bolded the important part. :lol I love this album. But they could have recorded it in any other language, and it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
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Posted this somewhere else and thought I'd post it here as well:
This is going to sound negative simply because I can't find a better way to word it, but it's really not meant as a criticism: Arch's scale and not choices are just bizarre. From a musical standpoint, I have no idea what he's doing. And yet...somehow, it always works and sounds just brilliant. He obviously knows exactly what he is doing because I just don't think there is any way you could hit the notes in sequence that he does and have it be accidental. I never really consciously noticed that before, but then again, I haven't really listened to him much. But it makes me wonder about something. I made an observation once about Charlie Dominicci that some of his note choices just seem to random at time. They're always somehow on key, but he has a knack for choosing notes that seem to come out of nowhere and almost seem random, except that they are in the correct key for the song. I wonder if he became a John Arch fan and was trying to mimmick Arch's style way back when he was in DT. Maybe not, but I've never really heard anyone else other than those two where something like his jumped out so blatantly.
I agree with all of this.
I think Arch sounds like the impossible spawn of a Geoff Tate - Jon Anderson - Barry Gibb 3-way.
Oh yeah, and I like the new album.
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Hmm. I'm not hearing the same album obviously.
I find it generic, repetitive, lacking in melody and the singer is painful to listen to. All the songs sound the same. So far I'm regretting the purchase. Obviously I didn't expect an instant hit but something to stand out and encourage further listening at least. First two listens all I got was an unrelenting wall of noise.
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I'm really enjoying the album, it is worthy of being released on the same day as ADToE.
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Man, something weird is happening to me with this album. Sometimes I love it, and other times, Jon Arch's voice just completely make me want to shut it off. Weird. Never happened to me with him in Fates, but I think some of the vocal lines/delivery just come across as extremely awkward here... especially as the "new album" feel wears off.
Still great, but ADTOE is really starting to pull past it.
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On my third listen through and I have to say I'm blown away. What an incredible album from start to finish.
As far as John Arch, I absolutely love his style and I think I can put it into words. Ever listen to any middle eastern music? I do sometimes and his phrasing reminds me of vocalists usually only found in that region. I wonder how he picked it up? I've always wondered this because he's not from that part of the world.
Anyway, fantastic album by Arch/Matheos. This is the best I've ever heard from both of them. I agree with a post made a couple pages back by bosk1. This and ADTOE very well could be my top two of the year.
Edit: Wow! 4th listen through. How can Arch sing like this after all his time off? Seems impossible. Outstanding!
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Damn, wasn't able to pick it up today instore, so looks like I'm ordering it online.
Man, something weird is happening to me with this album. Sometimes I love it, and other times, Jon Arch's voice just completely make me want to shut it off. Weird. Never happened to me with him in Fates, but I think some of the vocal lines/delivery just come across as extremely awkward here... especially as the "new album" feel wears off.
Still great, but ADTOE is really starting to pull past it.
I know what you mean, there have actually been times where I've taken a brake from older Fates because of his voice. His voice is amazing, but sometimes it can be a little much.
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Just...what an album. As much as I love the new DT, if not for the upcoming DT show, I would probably be spinning this album even more. I just can't get over how good it is.
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I don't know. Both albums have been out for one week, yet I'm off this one mostly and still on ADTOE. Though that one's gonna need a break soon, too.
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I don't know. Both albums have been out for one week, yet I'm off this one mostly and still on ADTOE. Though that one's gonna need a break soon, too.
I've definitely listed to Sympathetic Resonance more. ADTOE got old pretty quickly. The album I'll probably end up listening to the most, though, is Heritage. There's a lot to digest, and I'm not getting sick of it at all so far.
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After having the album for a week now, I can say I like it a lot. I can't say I LOVE LOVE it as much as some of you, but it's definitely a really great album. Personally, I need a little bit of keyboards in my prog metal for atmospheric purposes, but that's just me. Also, Arch's voice is impressive, but he seems to sings at the same tone and power in each song part, whether it's verse or chorus. I like a little more soft and loud dynamics in a singer's voice. But again, that's just me. And Matheos is a beast on this album. Love him!
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Good points. I don't disagree with any of that. But I still love it. :)
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Don't get me wrong...I love Alder era Fates more than Arch era Fates, but this new album has me thinking, "What if Fates Warning never forced Arch out?" There's still magic in that combo. I certainly hope John decides to make more music.
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After having the album for a week now, I can say I like it a lot. I can't say I LOVE LOVE it as much as some of you, but it's definitely a really great album. Personally, I need a little bit of keyboards in my prog metal for atmospheric purposes, but that's just me. Also, Arch's voice is impressive, but he seems to sings at the same tone and power in each song part, whether it's verse or chorus. I like a little more soft and loud dynamics in a singer's voice. But again, that's just me. And Matheos is a beast on this album. Love him!
Man, I pretty much agree. If Derek Sherinian had jumped on this album, and Portnoy joined this band instead of AMOB, it might really start being able to contend with DT.
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Don't get me wrong...I love Alder era Fates more than Arch era Fates, but this new album has me thinking, "What if Fates Warning never forced Arch out?" There's still magic in that combo. I certainly hope John decides to make more music.
Agreed. I am much more fond of the Alder-era of FW. But that said, yeah, with the A/M record...it is so good that it absolutely has me wanting more.
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This album just keeps clicking for me. Immediately Neurotically Wired and Stain Glass Sky clicked...lately it's been the intro to SGS, Incense and Myrrh, and Any Given Day.
32 listens and still going strong. I'm beyond impressed.
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Finally got this in the mail today! :metal :metal :metal
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This album was my first exposure to any of the guys who are involved with it musically. I have 8 listens to the entire album now, and it keeps clicking for me as well. It took me about 1 spin through 'Neurotically Wired' to get enough of a feel for John's voice to know that I wanted to hear more of this album. This thing rocks! Each song has great moments (tapping/shredding solo in 'On the Fence' is sweet!) and nice hooks utilizing the odd and unique method of vocal delivery. The group feels tight and fresh and the production is very good. I may have to get into some FW if this is what they are like. Can any of the long term fans point a FW newcomer in the proper direction after this?
This album rocks. SR has proven to be far stronger at keeping my attention than ADToE.
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Can any of the long term fans point a FW newcomer in the proper direction after this?
I would recommend you start with the album Disconnected, then A pleasant shade of grey and then (Parallels and Perfect Symmetry). These are my favorites of the Ray Alder Era. Now if you want hear the old school John Arch era Fates Warning then Awaken the Guardian is the way to go. Its somewhat different then Arch/Matheos, but at the same time is very similar. But seriously, Fates Warning is one of my top 3 favorite bands in the world, right behind Rush and Dream Theater. You are in for a treat with FW.
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I would start with Parallels and Perfect Symmetry. But that's just me. ;)
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I would start with Parallels and Perfect Symmetry. But that's just me. ;)
This and Inside Out.
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What is this band like? Style, this new album...if bosk likes them it may be worth checking out.
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Amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dilFoEP-mw
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Hmm, that kind of bored me.
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I would start with Parallels and Perfect Symmetry. But that's just me. ;)
I agree with dongringo.
Hmm, that kind of bored me.
That's not the best clip IMO, but its the only official one as far as I know. The intro to that song is KILLER, as is the entirety of the opening track. Don't give up on it James, it really is good.
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I did kinda like the intro. Is the album on Grooveshark?
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That's not the real intro :)
Yes it is. I suggest Neurotically Wired, Tear Stained Sky (THAT INTRO!), and Incense and Myrrh to start. That should be proper motivation to buy the album, although my word should have been enough. I don't go pimping new albums every three days like some people around here do.
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Haha that's true. I'll get a playlist set up.
If I am truly disappointed, your sig shall consist of some text that tells of how great I am. The antithesis to your avatar.
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Reminds of Redemption (surprise) but I don't like it as much. (Speaking of which, I need to hear TMC this weekend!)
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Reminds of Redemption (surprise) but I don't like it as much. (Speaking of which, I need to hear TMC this weekend!)
Then check out the Ray Alder era Fates, especially Parallels and Perfect Symmetry. Ray's voice is more palatable to most. In my opinion, that's when Fate's were at their peak. Just a suggestion.
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The more I listen to this album, the less I'm impressed with it. The first two songs are great, but after that it's just like a gaping hole of saminess until Incense and Myrhh.
I still like it, but I think I need to give it a break.
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The more I listen to this album, the less I'm impressed with it. The first two songs are great, but after that it's just like a gaping hole of saminess until Incense and Myrhh.
I still like it, but I think I need to give it a break.
Wow, this is exactly what I was thinking. First two songs and the last with a huge gap of sameness. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. ;)
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Just listened to the album for the first time, I can say I'm impressed. Although bosk's issue about Arch's vocal melodies totally did hit me, these melodies are hard to grasp onto and need time to digest. I love the riffs and it's so good to hear to hear Frank Aresti back on cd, he is such an underrated monster player. Check his solos on Stained Glass Sky and Any Given Day, just amazing.
My favs straight off are Midnight, Stained and Incense is great too. Great record, look forward to listening to it more. It's amazing how much these songs sound like Arch era Fates Warning. Sounds like a sequel to Guardian or something. This basically is Fates Warning.
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Reminds of Redemption (surprise) but I don't like it as much. (Speaking of which, I need to hear TMC this weekend!)
Then check out the Ray Alder era Fates, especially Parallels and Perfect Symmetry. Ray's voice is more palatable to most. In my opinion, that's when Fate's were at their peak. Just a suggestion.
I've tried FW but wasn't digging it, this may be the same thing.
At least I have Redemption.
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The more I listen to this album, the less I'm impressed with it. The first two songs are great, but after that it's just like a gaping hole of saminess until Incense and Myrhh.
I still like it, but I think I need to give it a break.
Wow, this is exactly what I was thinking. First two songs and the last with a huge gap of sameness. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words. ;)
So it's not just me then.
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This basically is Fates Warning.
That's how I feel.
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Just listened to the album for the first time, I can say I'm impressed. Although bosk's issue about Arch's vocal melodies totally did hit me, these melodies are hard to grasp onto and need time to digest.
It's not really an "issue"--just an observation.
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One thing that kinda bugs me is that it's hard to understand what Arch is saying. When I heard the new DT, I could easily find myself singing along to what JLB was saying, but I can't do that with Arch/Matheos because I have trouble understanding what he is saying a lot.
But I must say that I put aside the new DT this past week and returned to Arch/Matheos, and I'm loving it more than my initial listens. Really good stuff and Matheos is killing it! I kinda think "Stained Glass Sky" would be a better opening track. It's weird how that track has that opening portion that seems like a track all its own. It reminds me of the first OSI disc how you had the instrumental "The New Math" followed up by the song "OSI."
To me, "Incense and Myhhr" is my fav. Really beautiful stuff there.
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Just listened to the album for the first time, I can say I'm impressed. Although bosk's issue about Arch's vocal melodies totally did hit me, these melodies are hard to grasp onto and need time to digest.
It's not really an "issue"--just an observation.
Apologies for that mate.
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I kinda think "Stained Glass Sky" would be a better opening track.
This was one of my first thoughts upon hearing it, I don't understand why it's not the opening track.
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It would definitely make a good opener, but Neurotically Wired sounds great in the opening slot too, so I don't really have an issue. After having this a few weeks, I have to say, while Stained Glass Sky initially hooked me, On The Fence is currently the album's infectious "can't get it out of my head" song.
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I think the album opens with the right track, Neurotically Wired is excellent and a good opener.
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On The Fence is currently the album's infectious "can't get it out of my head" song.
Just have to quote myself on this because I'm listening right now, and WHAT AN AMAZINGLY AWESOME MONSTER OF A SONG THIS IS!!!
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Surprise album of the year BY FAR. I spin it every day. Jarzombek is just unbelievable on this recording.
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^^^ I agree, this is a beast of an album.
I'm in the camp that prefers Alder over Arch, so at first I was a bit disappointed to hear that the "next Fates Warning" album basically morphed into the Arch Matheos project. But this album has won me over big time, competing neck-and-neck with ADTOE for me. I just hope that Matheos can keep this particular incarnation of Fates Warning going for the longer term.
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^^^ I agree, this is a beast of an album.
I'm in the camp that prefers Alder over Arch, so at first I was a bit disappointed to hear that the "next Fates Warning" album basically morphed into the Arch Matheos project. But this album has won me over big time, competing neck-and-neck with ADTOE for me. I just hope that Matheos can keep this particular incarnation of Fates Warning going for the longer term.
He's said that he plans on making an album with Ray next year. But then again, the two aren't mutually exclusive, and I'd be happy to get music from both!
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^^^ I agree, this is a beast of an album.
I'm in the camp that prefers Alder over Arch, so at first I was a bit disappointed to hear that the "next Fates Warning" album basically morphed into the Arch Matheos project. But this album has won me over big time, competing neck-and-neck with ADTOE for me. I just hope that Matheos can keep this particular incarnation of Fates Warning going for the longer term.
He's said that he plans on making an album with Ray next year. But then again, the two aren't mutually exclusive, and I'd be happy to get music from both!
Such a weird dynamic between Fates Warning, John Arch, Ray Alder and Redemption... like one big gray area.
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Screw it, I'm gonna buy this album. Arch's voice drives me nuts but the music sounds incredible.
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^^^ I agree, this is a beast of an album.
I'm in the camp that prefers Alder over Arch, so at first I was a bit disappointed to hear that the "next Fates Warning" album basically morphed into the Arch Matheos project. But this album has won me over big time, competing neck-and-neck with ADTOE for me. I just hope that Matheos can keep this particular incarnation of Fates Warning going for the longer term.
He's said that he plans on making an album with Ray next year. But then again, the two aren't mutually exclusive, and I'd be happy to get music from both!
Such a weird dynamic between Fates Warning, John Arch, Ray Alder and Redemption... like one big gray area.
Yes, but it's a pleasant shade of gray!
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I really wish they would do a handful of U.S. dates on the east coast, cough "Philly" cough. I've been a huge fan of John Arch for a long time, and I would love to be able to see him live just once. (and hear Guardian fingers crossed).
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Guardian is one of the most amazing songs I've ever heard.
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Such a weird dynamic between Fates Warning, John Arch, Ray Alder and Redemption... like one big gray area.
Yes, but it's a pleasant shade of gray!
;D
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After having the album for a week now, I can say I like it a lot. I can't say I LOVE LOVE it as much as some of you, but it's definitely a really great album. Personally, I need a little bit of keyboards in my prog metal for atmospheric purposes, but that's just me. Also, Arch's voice is impressive, but he seems to sings at the same tone and power in each song part, whether it's verse or chorus. I like a little more soft and loud dynamics in a singer's voice. But again, that's just me. And Matheos is a beast on this album. Love him!
I agree with everything here. I wanted to wait until I had a chance to spin it at least 3 or 4 times before posting in this thread. The riffs are just monstrous. :hefdaddy But yeah, some keyboards would have been nice. But I do like the two-guitar approach that Matheos uses here.
Arch, I don't know, sometimes it almost seems like he's really not singing and just sort of yelling. And in terms of melody, it's hard to get into a lot of what he delivers here, and frankly, I find it a little bit distracting at times, but overall, I definitely dig the album.
I'd probably give it 3.5 / 5 stars.
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Here's an interview with Matheos if anyone's interested:
https://www.metalunderground.com/interviews/details.cfm?newsid=72770
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Wow, that's very interesting. Sounds like there's something going on between him and Ray.
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Wow, that's very interesting. Sounds like there's something going on between him and Ray.
I am also getting that impression. Very curious.
and I also found it interesting that when Jim was asked about Redemption, his response was:
"You know, that’s not really a fair question for me because I don’t really like that kind of music"
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Wow. That's a really interesting reaction from Matheos. Hmm. Leaves me scratching my head. And I'm really surprised that Redemption isn't Jim's type of music. To me, they are quite similar so I would think it would be right up his alley.
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A progmetal guitarist doesn't like progmetal? :\
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A progmetal guitarist doesn't like progmetal? :\
Well, Fates Warning was never really all that similar to the Dream Theater/Redemption style of prog metal.
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A progmetal guitarist doesn't like progmetal? :\
Well, Fates Warning was never really all that similar to the Dream Theater/Redemption style of prog metal.
Yeah, I guess, but I still think there's more to this.....he seems pissed off at Ray or something
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I got in touch with Jim yesterday in regard to this. He'd rather not go into it more publicly, but he did say that for the record:
"There is/was absolutely no drama between Ray and I (or Nick, who I consider a friend, and I)."
I was going to do a brief news story on this issue, but Jim didn't want to go on the record and comment any further other then to clarify that stuff between he and Ray and Nick is all fine.
So while that doesn't answer our question regarding Jim's comment, it does put to bed whether or not there is any issue between those guys. According to Jim, there isn't an issue or beef.
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Thanks, Brian. Nice job reaching out to Jim on that topic.
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Thanks. Jim and I have a good rapport thanks to that coverage I did on the Parallels re-release. He's a good guy and really communicative.
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This is my 2011 album of the year.
I guess it's natural for albums that come out later to get the nod because of the newness, but I went back and spun
all my 2011 purchases and this album wins hands down. TERIFFIC drumming! Unbelievable riffs and the production
is stellar. A total surprise for me. I would have never expected this album to own me like it did.
But it did.
Good job to Jim and the whole gang. I only hope they do another one!
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Frank Aresti just announced Arch/Matheos' one and only U.S. show is in Connecticut on Saturday, May 5!
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They had *BETTER* record a DVD!!! :-\
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I'm so at this show. I liked this venue. Same place Fates Warning played their Parallels reunion show in 2010. I'm gonna be right up against the stage from pounding my fist into the damn air as hard as possible.
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Damnit...too close to graduation. Any other time I would have made a vacation out of it and hit up The Dear Hunter in Boston two or three days later.
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Just revisiting SR and seems I was a bit harsh. It's still a bit unrelenting and monotone, but the songs are there. The vocal is like a young Geoff Tate on full tilt all the time. No doubting the quality of his voice- just needs a bit of variety in the delivery maybe- and some keyboards would have lightened the tone a bit.
Better than I first thought though.
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Frank Aresti just announced Arch/Matheos' one and only U.S. show is in Connecticut on Saturday, May 5!
Wow, expect some FW classics here. I love Frank Aresti.
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Just bought my ticket, bitches! Chicka chicka, yeah!
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I just got the CD!
Man, I am very impressed!
Matheos is a great guitarist with great tone! He is modern sounding but he still has old school sounds as well. I love the way he sometimes plays heavy riffage over finderpicking.
The entire band is hella tight! The drums are great, they add a lot to the overall sound/tightness/dynamics.
It took a while to get used to Arch's vocals, but he can definitely belt them out! He brings a lot to the overall sound.
The production is great as well.
Me likes!
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Going to be interviewing Matheos tomorrow, any questions you folks would like asked about this?
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hrrmm...maybe just whether or not he pictures another arch/matheos album in the foreseeable future
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Ask him what gauge strings he uses when he tunes down to "C".
Also ask him how he keeps his eyebrows so thick. I had eyebrows like his when I was younger but they don't look as thick anymore. :laugh:
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Well, the obvious question would be what plans are in place for the new Fates Warning album and what sort of direction he might be taking it in. But I'm sure you've thought of that already.
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Yeah.
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I would like to know whether he can recommend a good plastic surgeon to repair the meltage that my face incurred as a result of this album.
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Sad news, Jim had to cancel out of his interviews today and I'm not available on other dates so unfortunately I will not get to speak to him this go around. Perhaps once the new Fates Warning nears completion I'll get another chance.
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This album is worth listening to just for the drumming. Bobby Jarzombek really delivers. The Jarzombek brothers are the most talented brothers in progessive metal. Hmm, I wonder if Mrs. Jarzombek could be persuaded to have more kids?
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I would like to know whether he can recommend a good plastic surgeon to repair the meltage that my face incurred as a result of this album.
This album is worth listening to just for the drumming. Bobby Jarzombek really delivers. The Jarzombek brothers are the most talented brothers in progessive metal. Hmm, I wonder if Mrs. Jarzombek could be persuaded to have more kids?
i 'like' these posts
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Has anybody seen the live Arch/Matheos footage from the German concert yet?
Sweet mother of god is it good, and they played one of my very favorite old-school FW songs. I don't want to spoil the setlist, but I think you can guess what it is.
All the links are on the Fates Warning website.
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Cool footage. I just pulled this album out again recently after giving it a rest for a couple of months. Still loving it.
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Cool footage. I just pulled this album out again recently after giving it a rest for a couple of months. Still loving it.
I listen to it atleast once a week. I have to keep myself from listening to it more than that. The urge to spin it more than that comes atleast 3-4 times a week but, I'm afraid of burning myself out on it.
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I just pulled it out two days ago. Still awesome.
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With regard to the live footage, however, I DO have to point this out: Air drumming on your own stomach is never a good look for anybody.
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Been blasting this again lately. The new Fates disc coming out has me refreshing my Matheos catalog. I sure as hell hope Fates can follow this disc. It's just SOLID.
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So I bought this album on the same day as ADTOE, which was the day they were released. I had no knowledge of John Arch, and I barely knew any FW stuff, but I thought, hey, it's got a cool album cover and it's only 13 bucks or so, let's buy it.
Musically I thought it was alright, but I absolutely despised John Arch's atonal shrieking. I still tried listening to it every now and then, but usually didn't make it past the first song.
Now, almost three years later, I am blown away by the album. Probably the slowest burning "grower" album I've had. Just goes to show, you really never know what you're going to end up liking.
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So I bought this album on the same day as ADTOE, which was the day they were released. I had no knowledge of John Arch, and I barely knew any FW stuff, but I thought, hey, it's got a cool album cover and it's only 13 bucks or so, let's buy it.
Musically I thought it was alright, but I absolutely despised John Arch's atonal shrieking. I still tried listening to it every now and then, but usually didn't make it past the first song.
Now, almost three years later, I am blown away by the album. Probably the slowest burning "grower" album I've had. Just goes to show, you really never know what you're going to end up liking.
Definitely check out Twist of Fate. If you're blown away by this album you should definitely enjoy that as well.
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I was never a fan of the old FW with Arch singing, but there is just something about Sympathetic Resonance that just works so well on every level.
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I recently re-watched some of the interviews Jim and John did with Brian Slagel upon the release of this album, and I was shocked to see that "Incense and Myrrh" was not intended to be on the album. John told Jim he "had more to say" and they wrote that song at the last minute. Such a great song.
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I recently re-watched some of the interviews Jim and John did with Brian Slagel upon the release of this album, and I was shocked to see that "Incense and Myrrh" was not intended to be on the album. John told Jim he "had more to say" and they wrote that song at the last minute. Such a great song.
Probably my favorite song on the album.
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Hell yes - a new record on-tap soon.
Metal Blade Records
54 mins ·
Arch / Matheos re-signs with Metal Blade Records; begins work on new album
Photo credit: Mark Cubbedge
Metal Blade Records has proudly re-signed Arch/Matheos for a worldwide deal!
Arch/Matheos began as a reunion between founding Fates Warning members John Arch (vocals) and Jim Matheos (guitar), who hadn't collaborated since John Arch's solo EP, A Twist Of Fate (2003) - and hadn't fully collaborated for a whole album since Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian (1986). In 2010, the duo began working on a record together and brought along three Fates Warning members to the fold. The five members would in turn release their debut album Sympathetic Resonance in 2011, under the name Arch/Matheos.
Since then, John Arch and Jim Matheos have kept busy with their other projects - but now the time has come for them to join forces once again, for a new Arch/Matheos release, due out 2019 via Metal Blade Records.
John Arch comments: "The desire and commitment from both of us is first and foremost, but the impetus to move forward with another A/M project fell in good part on how well 'Sympathetic Resonance' was received, and how the fans have continued to show their support through a variety of mediums, stating they would like a follow-up effort. The timing for Jim and I seems to be right and things are coming along nicely. We look forward to sharing the results with you soon!"
Jim Matheos adds: "It's great to be working with my old friend John Arch again. We push each other creatively in ways that brings out the best in both of us, I think. We've come up with what I hope is a worthy successor to 'Sympathetic Resonance', and a great lineup of musicians to help us bring it to fruition."
Already featuring special guests Thomas Lang, Bobby Jarzombek, Baard Kolstad, Mark Zonder, Matt Lynch, Steve Di Giorgio, Joey Vera, Sean Malone, Joe DiBiase, and Frank Aresti - with more to come! - this upcoming Arch/Matheos album is currently being tracked, with Jens Bogren (Fates Warning, Opeth, Devin Townsend, etc.) handling mixing duties in November. Stay tuned for more news coming soon!
To purchase Sympathetic Resonance, please visit: https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladereco…/band/arch-matheos. To watch the video for the album track "Midnight Serenade" (directed by David Brodsky / www.davidsbrodsky.com), head over to: https://youtu.be/IwcL04CYews
Arch/Matheos online:
https://www.facebook.com/archmatheos/
https://twitter.com/archmatheos
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5 FW alumni’s!!!! This is going to be awesome!!!
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Thomas Lang, Bobby Jarzombek, Baard Kolstad, Mark Zonder, Matt Lynch: unreal lineup of drummers :omg:
Waiting anxiously for this album!
RodrigoAltalf, is that the news Ray told you in privacy in that interview?
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HELL YES.
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Hell yes - a new record on-tap soon.
Metal Blade Records
54 mins ·
Arch / Matheos re-signs with Metal Blade Records; begins work on new album
Photo credit: Mark Cubbedge
Metal Blade Records has proudly re-signed Arch/Matheos for a worldwide deal!
Arch/Matheos began as a reunion between founding Fates Warning members John Arch (vocals) and Jim Matheos (guitar), who hadn't collaborated since John Arch's solo EP, A Twist Of Fate (2003) - and hadn't fully collaborated for a whole album since Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian (1986). In 2010, the duo began working on a record together and brought along three Fates Warning members to the fold. The five members would in turn release their debut album Sympathetic Resonance in 2011, under the name Arch/Matheos.
Since then, John Arch and Jim Matheos have kept busy with their other projects - but now the time has come for them to join forces once again, for a new Arch/Matheos release, due out 2019 via Metal Blade Records.
John Arch comments: "The desire and commitment from both of us is first and foremost, but the impetus to move forward with another A/M project fell in good part on how well 'Sympathetic Resonance' was received, and how the fans have continued to show their support through a variety of mediums, stating they would like a follow-up effort. The timing for Jim and I seems to be right and things are coming along nicely. We look forward to sharing the results with you soon!"
Jim Matheos adds: "It's great to be working with my old friend John Arch again. We push each other creatively in ways that brings out the best in both of us, I think. We've come up with what I hope is a worthy successor to 'Sympathetic Resonance', and a great lineup of musicians to help us bring it to fruition."
Already featuring special guests Thomas Lang, Bobby Jarzombek, Baard Kolstad, Mark Zonder, Matt Lynch, Steve Di Giorgio, Joey Vera, Sean Malone, Joe DiBiase, and Frank Aresti - with more to come! - this upcoming Arch/Matheos album is currently being tracked, with Jens Bogren (Fates Warning, Opeth, Devin Townsend, etc.) handling mixing duties in November. Stay tuned for more news coming soon!
To purchase Sympathetic Resonance, please visit: https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladereco…/band/arch-matheos. To watch the video for the album track "Midnight Serenade" (directed by David Brodsky / www.davidsbrodsky.com), head over to: https://youtu.be/IwcL04CYews
Arch/Matheos online:
https://www.facebook.com/archmatheos/
https://twitter.com/archmatheos
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Hell yes - a new record on-tap soon.
Metal Blade Records
54 mins ·
Arch / Matheos re-signs with Metal Blade Records; begins work on new album
Photo credit: Mark Cubbedge
Metal Blade Records has proudly re-signed Arch/Matheos for a worldwide deal!
Arch/Matheos began as a reunion between founding Fates Warning members John Arch (vocals) and Jim Matheos (guitar), who hadn't collaborated since John Arch's solo EP, A Twist Of Fate (2003) - and hadn't fully collaborated for a whole album since Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian (1986). In 2010, the duo began working on a record together and brought along three Fates Warning members to the fold. The five members would in turn release their debut album Sympathetic Resonance in 2011, under the name Arch/Matheos.
Since then, John Arch and Jim Matheos have kept busy with their other projects - but now the time has come for them to join forces once again, for a new Arch/Matheos release, due out 2019 via Metal Blade Records.
John Arch comments: "The desire and commitment from both of us is first and foremost, but the impetus to move forward with another A/M project fell in good part on how well 'Sympathetic Resonance' was received, and how the fans have continued to show their support through a variety of mediums, stating they would like a follow-up effort. The timing for Jim and I seems to be right and things are coming along nicely. We look forward to sharing the results with you soon!"
Jim Matheos adds: "It's great to be working with my old friend John Arch again. We push each other creatively in ways that brings out the best in both of us, I think. We've come up with what I hope is a worthy successor to 'Sympathetic Resonance', and a great lineup of musicians to help us bring it to fruition."
Already featuring special guests Thomas Lang, Bobby Jarzombek, Baard Kolstad, Mark Zonder, Matt Lynch, Steve Di Giorgio, Joey Vera, Sean Malone, Joe DiBiase, and Frank Aresti - with more to come! - this upcoming Arch/Matheos album is currently being tracked, with Jens Bogren (Fates Warning, Opeth, Devin Townsend, etc.) handling mixing duties in November. Stay tuned for more news coming soon!
To purchase Sympathetic Resonance, please visit: https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladereco…/band/arch-matheos. To watch the video for the album track "Midnight Serenade" (directed by David Brodsky / www.davidsbrodsky.com), head over to: https://youtu.be/IwcL04CYews
Arch/Matheos online:
https://www.facebook.com/archmatheos/
https://twitter.com/archmatheos
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18 thumbs up pretty much sums up how I feel about this. :metal
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That is very cool news. Sympathetic Resonance is an amazing album. Haven't heard it in a while but now I feel the need to play it.
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Hell yes - a new record on-tap soon.
Metal Blade Records
54 mins ·
Arch / Matheos re-signs with Metal Blade Records; begins work on new album
Photo credit: Mark Cubbedge
Metal Blade Records has proudly re-signed Arch/Matheos for a worldwide deal!
Arch/Matheos began as a reunion between founding Fates Warning members John Arch (vocals) and Jim Matheos (guitar), who hadn't collaborated since John Arch's solo EP, A Twist Of Fate (2003) - and hadn't fully collaborated for a whole album since Fates Warning's Awaken the Guardian (1986). In 2010, the duo began working on a record together and brought along three Fates Warning members to the fold. The five members would in turn release their debut album Sympathetic Resonance in 2011, under the name Arch/Matheos.
Since then, John Arch and Jim Matheos have kept busy with their other projects - but now the time has come for them to join forces once again, for a new Arch/Matheos release, due out 2019 via Metal Blade Records.
John Arch comments: "The desire and commitment from both of us is first and foremost, but the impetus to move forward with another A/M project fell in good part on how well 'Sympathetic Resonance' was received, and how the fans have continued to show their support through a variety of mediums, stating they would like a follow-up effort. The timing for Jim and I seems to be right and things are coming along nicely. We look forward to sharing the results with you soon!"
Jim Matheos adds: "It's great to be working with my old friend John Arch again. We push each other creatively in ways that brings out the best in both of us, I think. We've come up with what I hope is a worthy successor to 'Sympathetic Resonance', and a great lineup of musicians to help us bring it to fruition."
Already featuring special guests Thomas Lang, Bobby Jarzombek, Baard Kolstad, Mark Zonder, Matt Lynch, Steve Di Giorgio, Joey Vera, Sean Malone, Joe DiBiase, and Frank Aresti - with more to come! - this upcoming Arch/Matheos album is currently being tracked, with Jens Bogren (Fates Warning, Opeth, Devin Townsend, etc.) handling mixing duties in November. Stay tuned for more news coming soon!
To purchase Sympathetic Resonance, please visit: https://www.indiemerch.com/metalbladereco…/band/arch-matheos. To watch the video for the album track "Midnight Serenade" (directed by David Brodsky / www.davidsbrodsky.com), head over to: https://youtu.be/IwcL04CYews
Arch/Matheos online:
https://www.facebook.com/archmatheos/
https://twitter.com/archmatheos
HELL YES. Dat lineup of drummers and bassists... :hefdaddy Also God, I hope they get Mike Abdow to come in for a few solos.
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My body is ready.
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Yoooooooooo I thought we'd never get another one. That's great!
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p.s. to the OP -- the album isn't 54 minutes. That was when I grabbed the post from Facebook (54 minutes after it had been posted).
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Best news of the year! :metal
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Cool news! But now I'm really scratching my head why Ray left Redemption. He'd have plenty of time to handle two bands, especially since Jim is busy with A/M.
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I doubt it would ever happen, but I would pass out in happiness if A/M did a short tour of the east coast.
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Awesome that Sean Malone is going to be a part of this; he's a fantastic bassist.
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Somebody asked MP on twitter why he isn't a part of this, to which he replied:
Actually, Jim asked me to do a few songs and I just don’t currently have any time available... :sad:
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1030622034412359683
Too bad for MP to be so busy with his 87 bands that he couldn't record a couple songs with them, but I'm relieved, since he doesn't need to be involved in everything that happens in the prog world, as he sometimes inteds to be.
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yeah, however I absolutely LOVE the work he did on A TWIST OF FATE.
maybe a raincheck?... :azn:
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yeah, however I absolutely LOVE the work he did on A TWIST OF FATE.
maybe a raincheck?... :azn:
Pretty much this. MP’s performance in A Twist of Fate is probably his most original drumming and probably my favorite MP drumming performance
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Twist of fate is so damn good.
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Just read this, this is some cool news. Sympathetic Resonance is a stellar record, hope they can come up with something similar, quality wise.
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I was hoping for a new OSI, I liked SR but it's not something I actively go to listen to.
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I am looking forward to the new A/M album, but have to admit that I am bummed that Fates seems on the back burner for awhile. I had so much fun on the last two album cycles, with Theories being (for me) one of the top three albums in the Alder-era. I mean, its a great high point to take a break on, but at the same time, it is the exact wrong time too. :lol
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new stuff....
https://open.spotify.com/album/4Skj3mQZW4VrtP20hYKISw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_GaUlUEsc
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I am looking forward to the new A/M album, but have to admit that I am bummed that Fates seems on the back burner for awhile. I had so much fun on the last two album cycles, with Theories being (for me) one of the top three albums in the Alder-era. I mean, its a great high point to take a break on, but at the same time, it is the exact wrong time too. :lol
They are not in the back burner. Spoke to Jim last Friday and said they will be starting the writing process once the Queensryche tour ends. Jim may also have some of the music written and may need less time since a 2020 date has been mentioned. He also mentioned that FW signed a two album deal with Metal Blade as well so they will be (presumably) working on new music in the near future (besides the 2020 FW release).
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Any mentions of OSI in those talks?
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new stuff....
https://open.spotify.com/album/4Skj3mQZW4VrtP20hYKISw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_GaUlUEsc
Bad. Ass.
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Any mentions of OSI in those talks?
Unfortunately, I didn't ask him about it. If someone else talk to him, please ask him that!! :rollin
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for those who didn't see the links
Preorder:
https://www.metalblade.com/archmatheos/?fbclid=IwAR1jsUkNncF9Z4l1hCYIuhGoQYnGBqw4GjYQEdG93HIpZCu5MmFfbtUn4jc
Bandcamp:
https://archmatheos.bandcamp.com/album/winter-ethereal
Press Release
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=660383437729349
Arch / Matheos reveals details for new album, 'Winter Ethereal'; launches video for first single, "Straight and Narrow"
Winter Ethereal will be released May 10th on Metal Blade Records. A video for the song "Straight and Narrow" is available now for streaming. Watch the video and pre-order the album in various bundle packages at http://www.metalblade.com/archmatheos
In progressive metal circles, the names of guitarist Jim Matheos and vocalist John Arch are spoken with due reverence. With the former having been a driving force in Fates Warning for thirty-five years, and the latter the original front-man of that band, they also have a single seminal work under the Arch / Matheos banner, 2011's Sympathetic Resonance. In 2019, they have reunited to follow that record up with Winter Ethereal, a more stylistically varied and perhaps deeper collection that explores a lot of sonic territory over the course of nine immersive tracks. "This stems from both of us trying to step out of our comfort zones a bit, sometimes voluntarily, sometimes being pushed," states Matheos. "Having worked together so many times, it would be easy to fall into the same way of doing things, and I think we were both interested in exploring some new areas." Arch concurs and adds: "Each song is notably different from the next, and nothing sounds repetitive. It is not a concept album, but somehow after a full listen from start to finish, there does seem to be continuity between the songs that I can't describe. At over an hour long, I think the fans will agree that it is a full listening experience."
Winter Ethereal will be available in the following formats:
-digipak-CD
-black / white marbled swirl (US exclusive - limited to 700 copies)
-clear w/ blue smoke (US exclusive - limited to 300 copies)
-180g black vinyl (EU exclusive)
-blue / red marbled vinyl (EU exclusive - limited to 300 copies)
-ice blue marbled vinyl (EU exclusive - limited to 200 copies)
-white vinyl (EU exclusive - limited to 100 copies)
-white / black marbled vinyl (EU exclusive - limited to 400 copies)
* exclusive bundles with shirts, plus digital options are also available!
Winter Ethereal track-listing
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Cool. Looking forward to it. Love the new song.
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Song kicks ass.
Arch has been my favorite singer for a while now and he continues to satisfy across the board. Can't wait for the new album. And if they play some live shows, I will definitely try and attend :metal
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I love that song! John sounds amazing, and I like when Jim plays more aggressively. :metal
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On my first listen I didn't really like the song, then after a couple more times through it really got me. I think that might be the most aggressive lead playing that I've ever heard from Jim.
On a side note, I didn't recognize the bass player. Can someone clue me in?
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Arch's vocal lines are so freaking strange and unpredictable and that's one reason I love Sympathetic Resonance so much. This is just more of what I wanted when I got into Fates Warning a couple years ago. Still jam those early albums but Arch/Matheos is just so interesting to me. I really dig this song and can't wait for the album.
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I went ahead and ordered the blue smoke vinyl from Metal Blade that is limited to 300 copies. It looks cool, and is an experiment for me. This is going to be the first release from a favorite band of mine that I won't be buying a CD. Just the vinyl with download code. I noticed that I listen to everything digitally. I haven't played an actual CD, other than just getting it in the mail at work and popping it into the car stereo on the ride home, in a decade. I just rip a disc and shelve it. However, when I'm at home, if I want to listen to music, I don't go for CD. Just for vinyl, and if I don't have vinyl, I play the digital version, not the CD.
So Winter Ethereal will be an experiment for me. Already spending 33 bucks on it, and it has a download code. Figured it was a waste of money to buy a CD for another 13 bucks.
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Pumped for this one! Kinda bummed that only European customers are being offered the t-shirt/cd bundles though, according to the pre-order links. Why no bundles for the U.S.?
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That song was pretty enjoyable. Looking forward to this one.
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So I finished my first listen through this opus. INCREDIBLE. If you loved Sympathetic Resonance, you'll absolutely be drooling listening to Winter Ethereal. It has all those aggressive moments, but the atmosphere and mood is ratcheted up a ton, and I think it lives up to the description regarding the record being a bit more diverse. Not shockingly so, but enough so that it really sounds fresh and exciting.
It is WELL worth the wait. If you haven't pre-ordered, wondering whether you'd like it -- trust me, go pre-order. Really impressed with what Jim and John have done here.
p.s. the solos section in Never in Your Hands -- OMG. Just pure crazy trade-off shred. :metal :metal :metal That then perfectly transitions to a great moody passage.
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So I finished my first listen through this opus. INCREDIBLE. If you loved Sympathetic Resonance, you'll absolutely be drooling listening to Winter Ethereal. It has all those aggressive moments, but the atmosphere and mood is ratcheted up a ton, and I think it lives up to the description regarding the record being a bit more diverse. Not shockingly so, but enough so that it really sounds fresh and exciting.
It is WELL worth the wait. If you haven't pre-ordered, wondering whether you'd like it -- trust me, go pre-order. Really impressed with what Jim and John have done here.
p.s. the solos section in Never in Your Hands -- OMG. Just pure crazy trade-off shred. :metal :metal :metal That then perfectly transitions to a great moody passage.
Agreed :metal
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So I finished my first listen through this opus. INCREDIBLE. If you loved Sympathetic Resonance, you'll absolutely be drooling listening to Winter Ethereal. It has all those aggressive moments, but the atmosphere and mood is ratcheted up a ton, and I think it lives up to the description regarding the record being a bit more diverse. Not shockingly so, but enough so that it really sounds fresh and exciting.
It is WELL worth the wait. If you haven't pre-ordered, wondering whether you'd like it -- trust me, go pre-order. Really impressed with what Jim and John have done here.
p.s. the solos section in Never in Your Hands -- OMG. Just pure crazy trade-off shred. :metal :metal :metal That then perfectly transitions to a great moody passage.
Any other comments you’d like to make on the album? Does Mike Abdow have a guest solo in there somewhere?
I’m SO pumped for this album!
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That is very cool news. Sympathetic Resonance is an amazing album. Haven't heard it in a while but now I feel the need to play it.
I never did play it. BUT am looking forward to this album!
Just heard Straight and Narrow, killer song! At first I did not care for his singing but now I really love it, so unique, fits the music so well.
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Wanderlust is available on iTunes now! :hefdaddy Interestingly the main riff and overall vibe of the song reminds me a lot of Awaken the Guardian, albeit with a modern production and more recent musical choices/stylistic flourishes that Jim uses nowadays as a guitarist and songwriter.
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Guys, its ridiculously good from top to bottom. I have been forcing myself to not listen to it, so I don't kill it. It's THAT good.
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new tune is great.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD3ip2__tZc
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new interview with John Arch from That Drummer Guy (JRundquist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUmz1TKJHX8&t=0s
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Great interview, really wet my appetite for the new album.
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Guys, its ridiculously good from top to bottom. I have been forcing myself to not listen to it, so I don't kill it. It's THAT good.
How would you say it compares to Sympathetic Resonance and the recent Fates Warning albums?
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or A Twist of Fate...?
Straight and Narrow reminds me of parts of that more than SR.
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I think there's elements of Theories of Flight in the songwriting. There were a couple of times that what Jim was doing, guitar-wise, made me think of recent Fates (Darkness/Theories). In general, I'd say that the record is a touch more melodic than Sympathetic Resonance, and John doesn't quite feel the need to hit the stratosphere all the time. But the songs -- are much stronger as a whole, and I think the solos are too.
You can really tell that Jim and John are on the same page, and really have done what they said -- they sat together and really worked all of this over. The result, at least to my ears, is so far my Album of the Year.
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I think there's elements of Theories of Flight in the songwriting. There were a couple of times that what Jim was doing, guitar-wise, made me think of recent Fates (Darkness/Theories). In general, I'd say that the record is a touch more melodic than Sympathetic Resonance, and John doesn't quite feel the need to hit the stratosphere all the time. But the songs -- are much stronger as a whole, and I think the solos are too.
You can really tell that Jim and John are on the same page, and really have done what they said -- they sat together and really worked all of this over. The result, at least to my ears, is so far my Album of the Year.
Finally got to hear it all for myself. Maaaan, what an album! I will say it's significantly more to take in than anything else Jim's made in the past decade, so I'm going to have to really dig in deep and get more familiar with Winter Ethereal over the coming summer, but my first full listen was an insane ride.
Currently I'd say that my initial favorites off the album are probably Vermilion Moons, Wrath of the Universe, Tethered, Pitch Black Prism and Kindred Spirits. Never In Your Hands has that killer guitar solo trade-off segment between Jim and Frank Aresti, but I'm going to need more time to let that song simmer in my head.
Also, Tethered might just be John's finest vocal performance ever. Or at the very least, it's one of his best IMO.
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New album kicks ass :metal
I'm loving it
Does anyone know if there will be any live dates at all?
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This is good so far. I like Arch's voice but sometimes the vocal melodies are just all over the place. Some of the lyrics are bad. Musically this is pretty cool, sometimes the songs go on a bit too long though. I'm enjoying it.
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New album kicks ass :metal
I'm loving it
Does anyone know if there will be any live dates at all?
From the sound of recent interviews with John, it doesn't seem like we will see any live shows soon. It sounds like he's got some family responsibilities to take care of for the foreseeable future?
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Album is out NOW
https://open.spotify.com/album/744fJG2zZzS38VmeH8y6SV
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Is it out today? I lost track of when the release date is.
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Is it out today? I lost track of when the release date is.
Yep, today bosk1!
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First impression: incredible album, as good as the first!
Do you know which drummer is playing in each song? Thanks!
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First impression: incredible album, as good as the first!
Do you know which drummer is playing in each song? Thanks!
Yeah, I'd love to know the answer to this too! I know Zonder is on Wonderlust, while Jarzombek is on Straight & Narrow and Matt Lynch is reportedly on Kindred Spirits. No clue about any of the other songs.
Meanwhile I have just about no clue about what songs the bassists all are on, so that'd also be really helpful and cool to know more about!
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The stand out tracks for me so far are Kindred spirits and Never in your hands. I don't really care for Wrath of the universe, but besides that everything else is solid.
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Is it just me or does the opening guitar bit on Wrath of the Universe show love to Blackwater Park-era Opeth? Obviously John's vocals are worlds apart from Mikael's and the main riff kicks in quick, but that opening Gilmour-ish guitar line from Jim reminds me a lot of stuff Opeth used to do. :metal
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Is it just me or does the opening guitar bit on Wrath of the Universe show love to Blackwater Park-era Opeth? Obviously John's vocals are worlds apart from Mikael's and the main riff kicks in quick, but that opening Gilmour-ish guitar line from Jim reminds me a lot of stuff Opeth used to do. :metal
Funny that you mention it, but Jim is an Opeth fan. He addressed it in a few interviews during the Darkness album cycle.
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The stand out tracks for me so far are Kindred spirits and Never in your hands. I don't really care for Wrath of the universe, but besides that everything else is solid.
100% agree with this post. Kindred Spirits and Never In Your Hands are the two highlights for me. Straight and Narrow is up there, too.
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Is it just me or does the opening guitar bit on Wrath of the Universe show love to Blackwater Park-era Opeth? Obviously John's vocals are worlds apart from Mikael's and the main riff kicks in quick, but that opening Gilmour-ish guitar line from Jim reminds me a lot of stuff Opeth used to do. :metal
I hear it.
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Is it just me or does the opening guitar bit on Wrath of the Universe show love to Blackwater Park-era Opeth? Obviously John's vocals are worlds apart from Mikael's and the main riff kicks in quick, but that opening Gilmour-ish guitar line from Jim reminds me a lot of stuff Opeth used to do. :metal
Funny that you mention it, but Jim is an Opeth fan. He addressed it in a few interviews during the Darkness album cycle.
Yeah, I knew about that ;D I mean, Into the Black feels like Jim's love letter/tribute to Opeth musically at certain points IMO and it's easily one of the best tracks on Darkness.
I just noticed that WotU changes gears quite a bit after that initial opening part. Definitely one of my favorites off the album so far. It might just be the heaviest song Jim or John have ever worked on!
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Video for Tethered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=7ANTKF6BkrY
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First impression: incredible album, as good as the first!
Do you know which drummer is playing in each song? Thanks!
Yeah, I'd love to know the answer to this too! I know Zonder is on Wonderlust, while Jarzombek is on Straight & Narrow and Matt Lynch is reportedly on Kindred Spirits. No clue about any of the other songs.
Meanwhile I have just about no clue about what songs the bassists all are on, so that'd also be really helpful and cool to know more about!
According to the booklet:
Bass
Steve Di Giorgio: Vermillion Moons, Wrath Of The Universe, Straight And Narrow
Joey Vera: Wanderlust, Never In Your Hands
Sean Malone: Pitch Black Prism, Kindred Spirits
Joe DiBiase: Solitary Man
George Hideous: Tethered
Drums
Thomas Lang: Vermillion Moons, Solitary Man, Pitch Black Prism
Bobby Jarzombek: Wrath Of The Universe, Straight And Narrow
Mark Zonder: Wanderlust, Tethered
Matt Lynch: Kindred Spirits
Baard Kolstad: Never In Your Hands
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Thanks a lot!
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All the soloing by Jim?
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All the soloing by Jim?
Pretty sure Frank Aresti has some solos too.
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Yes, Aresti plays solos in Never In Your Hands and Kindred Spirits
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Yes, Aresti plays solos in Never In Your Hands and Kindred Spirits
I had a feeling that was Aresti on a solo or two in Kindred Spirits! He has a rather distinctive sound and style to his playing these days, so I was guessing it was either Aresti or Jim had opted to try and compose a few solos in Aresti's style.
A little bummed that Mike Abdow didn't do any solos here, but Jim really impressed me with all of the solos he did here. It's been ages since he last played like that on an album! :hefdaddy :metal
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Live streaming from Metal Blade of the album;
https://youtu.be/KBM4e6g-eiw
Played the album once through and it's already sounding killer.
Lots going on and too much to digest in one listen.
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Yes, Aresti plays solos in Never In Your Hands and Kindred Spirits
The rest is only Jim? Wow, he’s soloing a lot, very unusual for him.
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Yes, Aresti plays solos in Never In Your Hands and Kindred Spirits
The rest is only Jim? Wow, he’s soloing a lot, very unusual for him.
Yeah, I think this has to be the most he's soloed on an album in at least twenty-five years, right? At least since Inside Out, I think.
Kinda hope the trend continues and we see him do more solos on the next FW album next year, because he knocked it out of the ballpark with this album! :hefdaddy
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Agreed, he did a terrific job on this one! Also, although I love those CDs, I wish there was more guitar solos from aPSOG to FWX.
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Played the album once through and it's already sounding killer.
Lots going on and too much to digest in one listen.
That's me, too.
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Having listened to the album a lot today, I'd say Kindred Spirits is probably my absolute favorite off the album. In fact, that song might just be the greatest piece of work John and Jim have ever made together. It's that good.
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This album is fucking poetic. Man, what a listen! This album may be the reason Jim is my all time favorite musician.
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Am I the only Arch/Matheos/FW fan that is bothered by the muffled production? The sound is a bit of a letdown IMO. Makes it difficult to make out details at lower volume.
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I do think the bass is a tad too high but it doesn’t sound muffled to my ears. But having said that, Malone’s bass on Kindred Spirits sounds amazing.
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here's another interview with John Arch (http://www.maximummetal.com/interviews/intresults.asp?ID=archmath_johnarch&idBand=2830&fbclid=IwAR2NRZSP8KiaN0fQHm05OdnvlInMhi1L_wAwI0l-XimpqlluCjJ3YkkydcE).
this album.
They really labored over this album, and it shows. It does support my feeling of spending time and being a bit meticulous with songs/songwriting really can pay off in the end.
in other words, patience very much can be a virtue.
the background on Tethered and Kindred Spirits is very in-depth. I should checkout that documentary John mentions "The Russian Woodpecker"
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I haven't paid much attention to the lead up to this album, but I just unwrapped my CD and listening now.
Again, not paying attention, I assumed this would also be Jarzombek/Vera rounding out the band.
But it's way more than that.., Dibiase, Digiorgio, Malone and Zonder, Lang tooo. never heard of the other guys listed.
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I’ll give this album a spin, but I’ve never been able to listen to John’s voice for too long. I tried with his FW albums, his solo EP and the first Arch/Matheos and couldn’t get through any of them :-\
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I’ll give this album a spin, but I’ve never been able to listen to John’s voice for too long. I tried with his FW albums, his solo EP and the first Arch/Matheos and couldn’t get through any of them :-\
I haven't even finished my first listen (listening now), but I would say that this is easily the most accessible John Arch has ever been vocally.
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I’ll give this album a spin, but I’ve never been able to listen to John’s voice for too long. I tried with his FW albums, his solo EP and the first Arch/Matheos and couldn’t get through any of them :-\
I haven't even finished my first listen (listening now), but I would say that this is easily the most accessible John Arch has ever been vocally.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. He knocked it out of the park with this album IMO.
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Wanderlust and Tethered are probably my favourite so far. Tethered is SO beautiful!
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I dunno. I really enjoy Arch's voice, but he's just so one-note both on this album and the other one. He sings exactly the same way from start to finish - loudly. That works for the heavier sections but I'm not sold whenever it slows down a bit. Just my two cents.
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Wanderlust and Tethered are probably my favourite so far. Tethered is SO beautiful!
Yeah, I really dig Tethered a lot. Love how soulful Arch gets on that song. That said, I think my absolute favorite is still Kindred Spirits though, followed by Vermilion Moons and Pitch Black Prism.
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After just ONE listen, the two standouts for me are Vermillion Moons and Wrath Of The Universe.
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After just ONE listen, the two standouts for me are Vermillion Moons and Wrath Of The Universe.
Both are fantastic songs! All of the epics on this album are some of Jim’s finest work ever IMO.
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Listening now ... music is bad ass as always. Decent vocals too this time around, that's an improvement! Or, when it comes to Arch I don't really know if I struggle most with his voice, his vocal melodies or both, but either way he sounds better on this. :tup
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Metal Blade released the full album on YT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1I6klf-kA
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Metal Blade released the full album on YT - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1I6klf-kA
I love when record labels and bands do this! IMO it's a nice way to help introduce potential new fans or less informed fans to these sorts of albums. :tup
I'm very curious to see how the rankings between Winter Ethereal, Sympathetic, Awaken the Guardian, The Spectre Within and John's E.P. will turn out among fans. I'd include the OG Fates album in the race here, but I think it's a safe bet that most fans would rank it last. :lol
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It makes no sense to me. What incentive do people have to buy it if the entire thing is up in the public domain for free?
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The original incentive - to support the band. It's going to get on YT anyway and all over the place, might as well be the first to do it so all the people who look for it go to the official source with links to the store, etc. It's free on Spotify and other services like that, so why not YT.
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It makes no sense to me. What incentive do people have to buy it if the entire thing is up in the public domain for free?
I believe they get streaming royaties as well. Youtube calls it “monetizing”.
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This might be my album of the year. I'm just shocked how Jim has written Darkness in a Different Light, Sympathetic Resonance, Theories of Flight and Winter Ethereal which all have been amazing pieces of work and top notch quality. I feel that all these records do not have a single filler track.
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I mean I guess it doesn't really matter when they barely make money from Spotify and YouTube plays as it is, so why not. The whole industry sucks.
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Am I the only Arch/Matheos/FW fan that is bothered by the muffled production? The sound is a bit of a letdown IMO. Makes it difficult to make out details at lower volume.
Finally got the cd and looking at the credits, it was mixed by Jens Bogren and mastered by Tony Lindgren at Fascination Street Studios. Their mixes and mastering seem to be a bit on the hot side but have some clear instrument separation. Jens has mixed some Opeth, Symphony X, the last Haken, and the last FW studio albums and many others. This mix kind of resembles the rest of Jens’ work.
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I love this album so much. But as much as I love Arch's voice, I would love it even more if he chooses to incorporate more of his lower register too. Things like the intro of Neurotically Wired is so beautiful, when he combines both. Likewise, the quieter moments in Wanderlsut (1:11), although that is higher and the part starting at 5:00 on Vermilion Moons. He has a nice talking voice too so I'd definitely encourage him to use all aspects of it when singing.
I'd also like to hear Ray sing Tethered. Perhaps with Arch.
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Listening now ... music is bad ass as always. Decent vocals too this time around, that's an improvement! Or, when it comes to Arch I don't really know if I struggle most with his voice, his vocal melodies or both, but either way he sounds better on this. :tup
Bolded my sentiments on John. After awhile I find my ears bleeding from listening to him sing. I started listening to this one and totally forgot about his wacky vocal melodies. Sometimes it's like he is singing for a different song or they applied his vocals to the wrong one. It's like he just freestyles or is doing scat vocals. I find it a bit disconcerting and it takes me out of it sometimes.
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Listening now ... music is bad ass as always. Decent vocals too this time around, that's an improvement! Or, when it comes to Arch I don't really know if I struggle most with his voice, his vocal melodies or both, but either way he sounds better on this. :tup
Bolded my sentiments on John. After awhile I find my ears bleeding from listening to him sing. I started listening to this one and totally forgot about his wacky vocal melodies. Sometimes it's like he is singing for a different song or they applied his vocals to the wrong one. It's like he just freestyles or is doing scat vocals. I find it a bit disconcerting and it takes me out of it sometimes.
That's part of his charm for me. No one else has the same cadence or melodies as John. He is unique.
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Listening now ... music is bad ass as always. Decent vocals too this time around, that's an improvement! Or, when it comes to Arch I don't really know if I struggle most with his voice, his vocal melodies or both, but either way he sounds better on this. :tup
Bolded my sentiments on John. After awhile I find my ears bleeding from listening to him sing. I started listening to this one and totally forgot about his wacky vocal melodies. Sometimes it's like he is singing for a different song or they applied his vocals to the wrong one. It's like he just freestyles or is doing scat vocals. I find it a bit disconcerting and it takes me out of it sometimes.
This is my experience as well. I feel like the songs have no melodic line and he’s just belting it out for the sake of it. Haven’t been able to get into anything this guy has done. THANK GOD for Ray Alder :biggrin:
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there's really no singer who sounds exactly like John Arch.
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there's really no singer who sounds exactly like John Arch.
Not at all. His delivery is really unique. It took me awhile to appreciate him. I started my Fates love with Ray, and prefer his more melodic, enveloping tone. But Arch was a bit more of a challenge. But I got there.
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The other day Pitch Black Prism finally clicked with me. I liked it initially too but it didn't grab me. I think it might be one of the best songs in prog, certainly in the last 10 years or so. I even started watching the Chernobyl HBO show.
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I still haven't been able to get my hands on the physical copy of the album, but I've been spinning it on the streaming platforms and while I'm not convinced about the whole thing yet, as John Arch is an acquired taste—there are songs like Solitary Man or Pitch Black Prism that I can't get into—I've got to say Tethered is the best song I've heard in a while. It's just out of this world, ridiculously good.
There are a lot of albums coming out in the next months, but I'm not sure anything will top this gem of a song.
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Apologies for the double post, but seeing how Katt put Moonglow in his Top 50 I just have to say this album has been in a heavy rotation for the last week and damn it, this is the best thing I've heard from this year. This album is so intricate and yet quite accessible after a couple of listens. I love this.
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Apologies for the double post, but seeing how Katt put Moonglow in his Top 50 I just have to say this album has been in a heavy rotation for the last week and damn it, this is the best thing I've heard from this year. This album is so intricate and yet quite accessible after a couple of listens. I love this.
The A/M album is the frontrunner so far for me in 2019 Album of the Year....
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The deluxe version arrived in the mail over a week ago, and I haven't even had time to spin it from start to finish yet. :\ :facepalm:
I've just had so much going on, and a LOT of new purchases. I dropped $150 bucks on a 14-disc Seattle Opera version of Wagner's Ring Cycle, and just finished one spin of that entire thing. Then there's the new District 97 that I can't get enough of. Then I had to spin the new Riverside again because I went to the show last night and wanted to familiarize myself. BUT I ALSO HAVE A FAMILY!! :mehlin :rollin
I have heard a couple of tracks and loved what I've heard. I'll have to move it up my priority list.
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Album of the year for me.
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Just stumbled across this vocal analysis of John Arch, which I thought was pretty informative for those interested. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQqE5HAtAA
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Wasn’t a big fan of the album at first, but now I think it’s really great. Love those vocal melodies!
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Keep playing this one at least twice a week. This is Matheos' finest piece. He is on a totally different level right now as far as writing goes. From Darkness in a Different Light, to Sympathetic Resonance, to Theories of Flight, and now Winther Ethereal. That is 4 outstanding albums. But Theories and Winter are just absolutely perfect compositions and masterpieces.
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Keep playing this one at least twice a week. This is Matheos' finest piece. He is on a totally different level right now as far as writing goes. From Darkness in a Different Light, to Sympathetic Resonance, to Theories of Flight, and now Winther Ethereal. That is 4 outstanding albums. But Theories and Winter are just absolutely perfect compositions and masterpieces.
I've always thought Darkness in a Different Light seemed a little phoned in as far as song writing goes, but the other 3 albums there are top notch!
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I agree Pup. Darkness never did anything for me.
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Darkness has a couple of great songs, but it pales in comparison to almost any other FW/Arch album. I do like to think about it as the start of Jim getting his groove going, though. It was a long time between that and him writing anything else in the FW universe.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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I'm getting an urge to do a Fates Warning/Jim Matheos/John Arch discography listen. :metal
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I agree on Darkness, my least played Fates record.
However, I feel this is his 2nd outstanding run in the last couple of decades.
The 1st being APSOG, Disconnected, OSI, A Twist of Fate and FWX (the 1 that somehow gets overlooked, and yet when it came out a ton of fans loved it).
That stretch, everything he recorded turned to gold.
I would say now Sympathetic Resonance, Theories and Winter Ethereal have a similar sweet spot for songwriting.
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The 1st being APSOG, Disconnected, OSI, A Twist of Fate and FWX (the 1 that somehow gets overlooked, and yet when it came out a ton of fans loved it).
APSOG-OVERRATED!
Disconnected-Excellent but nothing more than an EP
OSI-Unlistenable
FWX-Worst FW album
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The 1st being APSOG, Disconnected, OSI, A Twist of Fate and FWX (the 1 that somehow gets overlooked, and yet when it came out a ton of fans loved it).
APSOG-OVERRATED!
Disconnected-Excellent but nothing more than an EP
OSI-Unlistenable
FWX-Worst FW album
While I do enjoy both APSOG and OSI, I can see your point. But calling FWX the worst Fates album is both alarming and confusing, especially considering Night on Brocken exists...
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I love the early albums. I think they get way overlooked in the Fates Warning story. Tons of character.
To me, and I know it's a ME problem, I found nothing on FWX that I could latch onto.
A number of years ago, I did a deep dive of that album, possibly on Samsara's site.
I do like APSOG. But I just don't think it's as great as everyone else does. I will NEVER understand OSI. I don't even get it. How is that even music? Again, a ME problem.
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I love the early albums. I think they get way overlooked in the Fates Warning story. Tons of character.
I love Spectre Within and Awaken the Guardian, but Night on Brocken just wasn't good. I look at it like the band just trying to find their feet, which they did in a huge way on the very next album.
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I'm OK with that though.
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I will NEVER understand OSI. I don't even get it. How is that even music? Again, a ME problem.
Shutdown is absolutely amazing. I can understand if the rest of the album might not appeal to you, but that song simply transcends!!!
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I have to be in the right mood for OSI, I bought Blood last year and it's killer, I can even stand KM monotone vox ;D
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On my second listen. I like this album. But it doesn't grab me nearly as much as Sympathetic Resonance did. At least, so far. Maybe it will eventually, but for now, it's just a "good" album that sits firmly in the "like but don't love" category.
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I'd say this album unfolded in all its glory after about seven or eight listens to me, so it's possible.
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I was lukewarm on it initially as well, but I've grown to love the thing. It's a strong contender for album of the year at this point.
One thing it doesn't have are the highs of the debut, nothing of the caliber of Stained Glass Sky. I also feel the debut was more consistent, which of course is easier to accomplish when there's fewer songs and a shorter run-time.
Although I thoroughly enjoyed Bobby Jarzombek being unleashed on Sympathetic Resonance, the amount of kickass drummers on here is a wicked cool treat.
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I'd say this album unfolded in all its glory after about seven or eight listens to me, so it's possible.
On your recc'n, I gave it a go. While something about John's voice just doesn't quite click for me, holy shit-balls this was fuckin fantastic musically.
Kindred Spirits :hefdaddy
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On my second listen. I like this album. But it doesn't grab me nearly as much as Sympathetic Resonance did. At least, so far. Maybe it will eventually, but for now, it's just a "good" album that sits firmly in the "like but don't love" category.
I’m with Bosk. I really like it, and there are a few stellar tracks, but SR grabbed me more.
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On my second listen. I like this album. But it doesn't grab me nearly as much as Sympathetic Resonance did. At least, so far. Maybe it will eventually, but for now, it's just a "good" album that sits firmly in the "like but don't love" category.
I’m with Bosk. I really like it, and there are a few stellar tracks, but SR grabbed me more.
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Sympathetic Resonance has a charm to it that I'm not feeling from this. Like the title, it's a cold record. Kindred Spirits is cool though...
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I haven't even listened to it. Tried so hard to like John's voice with his FW abums, his solo EP and the first A/M, but nope, I just can't stand listening to his voice for more than one song, sometimes I can't even get through the whole song. It's sad, because they got a great lineup for this album :-\
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I disagree that it's a cold record. Or maybe it's cold, but I just like cold then. Still way ahead of anything else released this year so far for me.
I'd say this album unfolded in all its glory after about seven or eight listens to me, so it's possible.
On your recc'n, I gave it a go. While something about John's voice just doesn't quite click for me, holy shit-balls this was fuckin fantastic musically.
Kindred Spirits :hefdaddy
That's all I can ask for, honestly. :tup
I'm going to listen to this album again now.
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John Arch is not for everyone but I really like his singing. It's kinda quirky and out there and you don't know what's coming next, his melodies aren't predictable, but that's his unique style.
Both Arch/Matheos records are stellar and I thought I liked Sympathetic Resonance more, but now, after listening to Winter Etheral a couple of times last week I'm not so sure anymore.
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So in comparing the two albums, I find the music on SR a lot more interesting, but Arch's vocals on WE are easily much easier on the ears.
Vermillion Moons is my favorite song on either album.
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UNDER VERMILION MOO-OO-OOOONS
DON'T LOOK AWAY DON'T EVER
Fuck man Vermilion Moons is just so good.
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John Arch is not for everyone but I really like his singing. It's kinda quirky and out there and you don't know what's coming next, his melodies aren't predictable, but that's his unique style.
That’s my issue, I hear no melody on these vocal lines, just a guy singing with an unpleasant voice.
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This album makes me cry a lot, particularly the last two songs. Being an animal lover and knowing this could be my favorite singer of decades' final work, the double meaning of the very last line of the very last song guts me. John and Jim just get better and better, and I wish their partnership would never permanently end.
Anyway, let's talk about Mike.
MP is a John Arch mega-fan like me. He was at the ProgPower Awaken the Guardian Anniversary show, he drummed on John's "A Twist of Fate" EP in the early '00s, he was at the show where John and Ray did the Guardian duet in the early '90s, John stayed at Mike's house when recording the DT audition demos, John was at his wedding (or the opposite, I forget), and on and on... Last I knew, he still loved Jim Matheos, too. In the past Mike's promoted the hell out of anything John Arch-associated, and John still speaks glowingly of him.
All that said, I can't find where he's talked about the album anywhere or even acknowledged its existence..? There's no way if it had come out 5 years ago he wouldn't have promoted it all over social media.
Anyone know anything about why Mike's seemingly ignored it? It'd probably be his album of the year (perhaps it secretly is). Jim said he looked into about 15 drummers, but the album only ended up with 5. What are the chances that Mike is upset he wasn't asked to participate (I don't think he'd have turned down the offer--working with Jim is famously easy)? If I was Mike, I'd probably think it would be pretty awesome for Max to get to record drums for a track. It would be wildly inappropriate for Mike to suggest it considering the nature of the project, but I could see either of these scenarios embittering Mike and leading to radio silence. From everything I've seen of Mike, some perceived personal slight (from Jim, in these hypothetical scenarios) seems the most likely explanation.
I hope someone proves me blind by producing a recent interview where Mike gushes about the album. :P
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This album makes me cry a lot, particularly the last two songs. Being an animal lover and knowing this could be my favorite singer of decades' final work, the double meaning of the very last line of the very last song guts me. John and Jim just get better and better, and I wish their partnership would never permanently end.
Anyway, let's talk about Mike.
MP is a John Arch mega-fan like me. He was at the ProgPower Awaken the Guardian Anniversary show, he drummed on John's "A Twist of Fate" EP in the early '00s, he was at the show where John and Ray did the Guardian duet in the early '90s, John stayed at Mike's house when recording the DT audition demos, John was at his wedding (or the opposite, I forget), and on and on... Last I knew, he still loved Jim Matheos, too. In the past Mike's promoted the hell out of anything John Arch-associated, and John still speaks glowingly of him.
All that said, I can't find where he's talked about the album anywhere or even acknowledged its existence..? There's no way if it had come out 5 years ago he wouldn't have promoted it all over social media.
Anyone know anything about why Mike's seemingly ignored it? It'd probably be his album of the year (perhaps it secretly is). Jim said he looked into about 15 drummers, but the album only ended up with 5. What are the chances that Mike is upset he wasn't asked to participate (I don't think he'd have turned down the offer--working with Jim is famously easy)? If I was Mike, I'd probably think it would be pretty awesome for Max to get to record drums for a track. It would be wildly inappropriate for Mike to suggest it considering the nature of the project, but I could see either of these scenarios embittering Mike and leading to radio silence. From everything I've seen of Mike, some perceived personal slight (from Jim, in these hypothetical scenarios) seems the most likely explanation.
I hope someone proves me blind by producing a recent interview where Mike gushes about the album. :P
I remember reading somewhere (I forget specifically where at this point) that MP was asked to play on the album, but his schedule wouldn't allow for it to happen. I think that's the reason for his silence about this album. As we all know, MP is a very busy man at this point in his career. Between touring and recording all of his projects he simply doesn't have the time to comment.
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I remember reading somewhere (I forget specifically where at this point) that MP was asked to play on the album, but his schedule wouldn't allow for it to happen.
Yep, Mike said that.
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Thanks! I certainly believe he said that, but can't imagine it's the entire story. Among writers he's worked with, Mike holds Jim up there with Neal, and Mike's schedule would've been accommodated. John hasn't said in any recent interview that Mike was asked but unfortunately was too busy, despite his having talked about Mike recently. You'd think after mentioning Mike's work on A Twist of Fate in an interview promoting the new album, John would've mentioned they wanted Mike on a song or two, but that he was too busy. It would've been a way to answer the unasked question regarding his non-participation while flattering his friend at the same time.
One of the things I've most admired about Mike is his willingness to be a fan and come across as a genuine fan himself, promoting the things he loves. He's gotten me into quite a few things. This just seems like another case of Scorned Portnoy Syndrome.
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This just seems like another case of Scorned Portnoy Syndrome.
It seems more like a case of Reading Too Much Into What MP Said Or Didn't Say Syndrome.
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Yes, I remember it being said that Mike was asked what his schedule wouldn't align. It is interesting though, that he hasn't really said anything about this album. When the first one was released he said it was one of the best prog albums of the year. Of course, his gushing about that album wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that it was released on the same day as A Dramatic Turn of Events, would it? :lol
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This just seems like another case of Scorned Portnoy Syndrome.
It seems more like a case of Reading Too Much Into What MP Said Or Didn't Say Syndrome.
This.
What should MP do? If he says anything on the internet it's over-analyzed and torn apart and now even if he's not saying anything it's over-analyzed and torn apart. :biggrin:
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No news, sadly. Sorry for the necromancy.
I had to put this album on hold as I was listening to it almost daily the entire 2019 and 2020 and the latter wasn't a good one for me, so I kind of got tired of it and associated it as a soundtrack to something I would rather not be reminded of.
The other day I revisited it on a whim and god fucking damn, this album is still just as awesome. Even the songs I enjoyed less on launch like Straight and Narrow and Solitary Man sound so good. I'm glad the album has mostly gotten the "stench" out of it for me and I can for the most part purely enjoy how awesome the songwriting is.
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No news, sadly. Sorry for the necromancy.
I had to put this album on hold as I was listening to it almost daily the entire 2019 and 2020 and the latter wasn't a good one for me, so I kind of got tired of it and associated it as a soundtrack to something I would rather not be reminded of.
The other day I revisited it on a whim and god fucking damn, this album is still just as awesome. Even the songs I enjoyed less on launch like Straight and Narrow and Solitary Man sound so good. I'm glad the album has mostly gotten the "stench" out of it for me and I can for the most part purely enjoy how awesome the songwriting is.
Yes it is. I'm blown away by both Arch/Matheos releases. What was weird is that I wasn't a fan of the FW Arch era at all. But for some reason, both A/M just clicked instantly both lyrically and instrumentally (which the music itself is on a league of its own).
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No news, sadly. Sorry for the necromancy.
I had to put this album on hold as I was listening to it almost daily the entire 2019 and 2020 and the latter wasn't a good one for me, so I kind of got tired of it and associated it as a soundtrack to something I would rather not be reminded of.
The other day I revisited it on a whim and god fucking damn, this album is still just as awesome. Even the songs I enjoyed less on launch like Straight and Narrow and Solitary Man sound so good. I'm glad the album has mostly gotten the "stench" out of it for me and I can for the most part purely enjoy how awesome the songwriting is.
Yes it is. I'm blown away by both Arch/Matheos releases. What was weird is that I wasn't a fan of the FW Arch era at all. But for some reason, both A/M just clicked instantly both lyrically and instrumentally (which the music itself is on a league of its own).
+1
I have both the Arch/Matheos releases and think Winter is by far the better of the two and agree it trumps a lot of what came before. Was only listening to Winter Ethereal again a few weeks back and after the initial excitement was happy to hear it's lost nothing \m/
Hopefully with Fates on hold we get more (and Kings of Mercia too, as a more straight forward record that was killer record last year!)
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I love both A/M records, but favor Winter Ethereal.
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when I went through the whole FW catalog last year (and reading the new book), including all of Arch's work, I concluded Winter Ethereal I prefer over SR.
But sadly, the A Twist of Fate EP is still is far and away my favorite thing John Arch has ever done. I'm not sure if it was ligtning-in-a-bottle or somethng else.
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when I went through the whole FW last catalog last year (and reading the new book), including all of Arch's work, I concluded Winter Ethereal I prefer over SR.
But sadly, the A Twist of Fate EP is still is far and away my favorite thing John Arch has ever done. I'm not sure if it was ligtning-in-a-bottle or somethng else.
Relentless is one of the greatest songs ever written period! Not even a huge John Arch fan but everybody on that song kills it. Personally, I believe it's one of portnoys greatest moments on the drums.