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Title: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on January 07, 2011, 07:50:30 AM
Never seen much talk about this sport around here, mainly i guess because there's a lot of Americans here, and the sport isn't very big over there. :P
You call it soccer, but i won't do that because it will always be "football" over here.
So, anyone who follows a particular team or something?
I'm a Man United-fan myself, mainly follow Premier League since i think both the Spanish and Italian-leagues are a bit lame.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Zydar on January 07, 2011, 07:55:00 AM
Ah, my favourite sport. Man United fan here as well, Premier League is my main league to follow. I've always enjoyed the British football.
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Nekov on January 07, 2011, 07:58:17 AM
Great Thread!!! I don't think it will get a lot of posts though but still. I am from Argentina so yeah... I just love this sport.
I agree with you, the Spanish and Italian leagues are getting kinda boring since it comes to two or maybe three teams. But I have to say that if I have to choose one team, it has to be Barcelona. It's just beautiful. Plus, Messi plays there. The best there is!!
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Xanthul on January 07, 2011, 08:09:18 AM
Real Madrid fan here... pretty upset by a lot of events surrounding our club in the last few years (not too fond of the last presidents we've had and the roster management), and with Barcelona being as good as they are right now, not a lot to cheer for :/

But hey, through the good and bad, right?
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: reneranucci on January 07, 2011, 08:58:32 AM
My favorite team is Real Madrid and the Spanish League is the one I follow the most, but the Premier League is 1000x better, there are no boring matches.
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Zantera on January 07, 2011, 01:03:07 PM
What i love about Premier League, is that even though in most cases the "big" teams win, every team has a chance against them.
Love it how teams like Newcastle and W.Bromwich have beaten Arsenal, Wolves have beaten Chelsea and so on, really makes the whole league great.  :tup
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: rumborak on January 07, 2011, 01:06:57 PM
I don't watch sports at all really, but I always watch the Eurocup and the World Cup since it gives me an excuse to go to a bar at noon and cheer for my home country.

rumborak
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: LCArenas on January 07, 2011, 04:16:24 PM
mainly follow Premier League since i think both the Spanish and Italian-leagues are a bit lame.  :biggrin:
That's a mistake you're making  :smiley:
Football is amazing. Fan of the AC Milan here, also a supporter of Barcelona.
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Zantera on January 31, 2011, 08:32:41 AM
Bump.

So this last day of Silly Season is really interesting so far, Torres to Chelsea and Carroll to Liverpool? :P
Rumors also suggest that Charlie Adam in Blackpool is close to Pool as well, obviously a lot of this is speculations, but the last hours of this day will be very interesting.  ;D
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Zydar on January 31, 2011, 08:42:11 AM
Also rumors suggest that Sebastian Larsson is going to either City or Liverpool.
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: AcidLameLTE on January 31, 2011, 08:44:00 AM
I don't really follow football like I used to but I still watch the European and World Cup when they're on.
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: Progmetty on January 31, 2011, 02:21:55 PM
Ac Milan FTW
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: tri.ad on January 31, 2011, 02:37:30 PM
I don't really follow football like I used to but I still watch the European and World Cup when they're on.

This. I also follow the German Bundesliga a bit (although I haven't watched a game of it in years), but the EC and WC are a definite must for me.
Title: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 08, 2011, 06:09:48 PM
I want to start seriously following premier league games. I love football, but the lack of coverage in the US is shitty. The thing is, I can't follow a sport unless I have a team to support

Convince me to support a team guys. Go :P
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: emindead on February 08, 2011, 06:15:21 PM
Manchester United is the better team over there. Avoid Chelsea at all costs.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 08, 2011, 06:25:20 PM
One vote for Man United

I can only name about 5 off the top of my head, but if there are any others that you guys support (if at all), I'd like to hear your arguments.

also inb4ludicrousdisplay
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: LCArenas on February 08, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
Avoid Manchester United at all costs.
Come on guys, it isn't that good. It's mostly fame and status.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: emindead on February 08, 2011, 06:38:57 PM
(http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_3268.png)
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: toro on February 08, 2011, 06:42:23 PM
Manchester United, but really almost EVERY game from the Premier League is awesome.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 08, 2011, 09:22:09 PM
How about people who are FROM the UK? :P
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: LCArenas on February 08, 2011, 09:51:59 PM
(http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_3268.png)

Oh you.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Scurvy!Dreams on February 08, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
How about people who are FROM the UK? :P
It's 5 in the morning!

I'd recommend you go for one of the Champion's League teams, but I kinda hate them. Go with Newcastle, cus Northerners are awesome.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zydar on February 08, 2011, 11:08:46 PM
Another Manchester U fan here. But I'm not from the UK.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zantera on February 09, 2011, 02:57:56 AM
I'm a Man United-fan also, not from the UK either. :P
Avoid Chelsea and Man City at all costs tbh, if you're mainly interested in the attacking-part of the game, I'd say Arsenal and Spurs (Tottenham) are the two teams that plays the most "fun" football.
 :hat
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 09, 2011, 03:01:14 AM
Man U.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: cthrubuoy on February 09, 2011, 03:09:55 AM
Cardiff City

Oh wait... Premier League you say?
Maybe next year
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2011, 03:13:34 AM
Zantera got it right, Arsenal and Spurs probably play the nicest football, although Man Utd are good too. But supporting Utd is generic and boring, especially for non-Brits.

Support Arsenal (my team). We rock!
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 09, 2011, 03:14:59 AM
But Arsenal have "arse" in their name.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Xanthul on February 09, 2011, 03:16:56 AM
Spaniard here, Liverpool all the way. THIS IS ANFIELD, BITCH. Plus they finally got rid of Torres, I really hate him (he almost cost us the World Championship).
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zantera on February 09, 2011, 03:27:23 AM
But supporting Utd is generic and boring, especially for non-Brits.

I can easily understand that now, but I was around 7 or 8 years old when I started to like Man United, and back then I didn't even know if it was a good team or not. :P
It's fun because my dad is an Arsenal-fan, and every weekend when we watch football, he's always so negative, like "maybe Arsenal can at least get one point against Wolves" or something.  :lol
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zydar on February 09, 2011, 03:38:06 AM
I started to root for Man United after their treble win in 1999 (PL, FA cup, CL) and been a fan ever since. Giggs and Scholes are my favourites, but they will be retiring soon. Although Giggs seems to be able to play for another 20 years ;D
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2011, 03:48:27 AM
:lol Yeah Arsenal fans can be pretty negative; it's because our team is so unpredictable, but that makes being a fan more fun and exciting I think.

Although this season everyone has been useless and unpredictable. It's been a weird season.

I think we should make this the official Premier League thread. It's nice to be able to discuss it on the forum. :tup
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: AndyDT on February 09, 2011, 03:51:10 AM
How about people who are FROM the UK? :P
Stoke City F.C.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/stoke-city

http://www.stokecityfc.com/page/Home/0,,10310,00.html


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2158/2106706064_59c1e8f1d9.jpg)
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2011, 03:59:57 AM
lol Stoke.

Stoke were pretty good last year, but they've been a bit disappointing this season.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: tri.ad on February 09, 2011, 04:14:32 AM
But supporting Utd is generic and boring, especially for non-Brits.

It's about the same for Bayern Munich fans in the German Bundesliga. Those teams mostly get supported because they keep winning everything (luckily, this season might mix it up a little bit). ManU plays some nice football, though. However, I have to say that I don't follow the Premier League that much.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zantera on February 09, 2011, 04:44:06 AM
It's funny, because even though Arsenal has made some of the best, but also some of the worst games this season, they still fight for 4 trophies. :P
I'm a bit sad that Man U's streak of no losses ended last weekend, but hopefully we can beat City and maintain the lead. ;)
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Sigz on February 09, 2011, 04:58:26 AM
Chelsea, because I live there.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2011, 05:22:30 AM
Dammit Sigz! >:(
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 09, 2011, 07:12:08 AM
So, Rich suggests Arsenal (even though they always try to walk it in LOL), and Andy suggests Stoke City, a team I hadn't heard of :lol

I may jump on the Arsenal bandwagon then
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: XJDenton on February 09, 2011, 07:25:19 AM
Halifax Town.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 09, 2011, 07:39:34 AM
Is that Canadian?
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: emindead on February 09, 2011, 08:28:53 AM
Wiggan... because they suck and Rodallega is the only good player over there.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Sigz on February 09, 2011, 08:29:52 AM
Dammit Sigz! >:(

 :heart
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2011, 12:12:43 PM
So, Rich suggests Arsenal (even though they always try to walk it in LOL)
:lol Yeah we do that sometimes. But when it works it creates some lovely goals.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: AcidLameLTE on February 09, 2011, 12:28:10 PM
...:lol

PLM was making an IT Crowd reference.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 09, 2011, 12:30:45 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 09, 2011, 12:44:53 PM
...:lol

PLM was making an IT Crowd reference.
Fair enough, it's still accurate. :P
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: jsem on February 09, 2011, 01:53:09 PM
I don't pay much attention to the Premier League. I follow Serie A and La Liga much closer. I don't really have a fav english team..
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: mizzl on February 09, 2011, 01:54:49 PM
West..Ham
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: LCArenas on February 09, 2011, 06:48:07 PM
FUCK YEAH ARSENAL
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 09, 2011, 07:11:42 PM
Where do I buy gear? is my next question. Preferably within the US. Damn overseas shipping :lol
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 10, 2011, 05:03:13 PM
Where do I buy gear? is my next question. Preferably within the US. Damn overseas shipping :lol
http://www.arsenalstoreusa.com/

:P
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zantera on February 11, 2011, 01:22:44 AM
Looking forward to the Manchester-derby tomorrow, seeing as we got pretty good statistics against City the last years.
However, the result screams 0-0, 1-0 or 0-1 long ways, so I'll probably bring a pillow to the couch in case I fall asleep, seeing as it's City playing on one side.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 11, 2011, 06:04:52 AM
Yeah the Manchester derby has such great potential but is so often a let-down. :lol

I could see it being a fairly low scoring draw, maybe 1-1. If anyone wins it'll be Utd.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: RoeDent on February 11, 2011, 06:14:06 AM
Great to see a thread for the Premier League at last. I've thought of starting one in the past but I thought you were all Americans and not interested in proper football (ie. played with your feet)  ;)

Last Saturday was beyond incredible for the following reasons:

- 41 goals in 8 games
- Newcastle coming back from 4-0 down at half-time to draw 4-4
- Wolves (bottom of the league at the time) beating Manchester United (top of the league), ending a 29-game unbeaten run

THIS is why you should follow Premier League football!



Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zydar on February 11, 2011, 06:14:34 AM
I remember the 2009–10 Manchester derby at Old Trafford, when United won with 4-3. Manchester City had equalised three times only for Michael Owen to score the winning goal after 95 minutes. Damn, what a crazy game that was.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: Zantera on February 11, 2011, 06:45:42 AM

- Newcastle coming back from 4-0 down at half-time to draw 4-4

Normally this would've been amazing, but we're talking about ARSENAL.
They're the only team who can have a 7-0 lead, and whenever the opponents scores 1-7, you just know that they're going to catch up.  :lol
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 11, 2011, 10:06:52 AM

- Newcastle coming back from 4-0 down at half-time to draw 4-4

Normally this would've been amazing, but we're talking about ARSENAL.
They're the only team who can have a 7-0 lead, and whenever the opponents scores 1-7, you just know that they're going to catch up.  :lol
Hey, we've only done it twice this season! :P The other time being when we threw away a 2-0 lead to lose 3-2 against Spurs. That was bad, but last weekend was probably worse. :lol
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: toro on February 11, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
Can we make this the official Football discussion thread?
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 11, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
Where do I buy gear? is my next question. Preferably within the US. Damn overseas shipping :lol
http://www.arsenalstoreusa.com/

:P

My word those jerseys are expensive
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: ariich on February 11, 2011, 10:24:31 AM
Hmm yeah, looks like you're getting spanked by either exchange rate or shipping. :lol

EDIT: The training tops are considerably more sensibly priced. Still a lot though. You could probably get a top from a previous season on ebay or something.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 11, 2011, 10:32:06 AM
I don't really follow football that much, but PSV ftw.
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: lonestar on February 11, 2011, 02:06:54 PM
Can we make this the official Football discussion thread?
With toro here.  I only follow the Mexican league.  Chivas fan checking in.  (your Pumas, right toro?)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 11, 2011, 02:30:24 PM
HOW DO YOU KNOW!?

Indeed I am a Pumas UNAM fan and You know Chivas and pumas are playing agaisnt each other this sunday :eyebrows:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on February 11, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
HOW DO YOU KNOW!?

Indeed I am a Pumas UNAM fan and You know Chivas and pumas are playing agaisnt each other this sunday :eyebrows:
You mentioned it earlier somewhere, and...
IT'S ON!!!


And we both know Club America can go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 11, 2011, 02:52:28 PM
LolClubAmerica


So... wanna bet?
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on February 11, 2011, 02:57:46 PM

So... wanna bet?
Don't follow it hard enough to gamble, not even an e-bet.  Wouldn't want this...
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5I3kqqemkAlPSFkvJjwf5b2pvrwpSH7qMnqx3XSK7rjLugsgiPQ)

as my avatar for a week.  Should be entertaining at work though.  Got two guys in my kitchen who are brothers, one is a Pumas fan, the other is Chivas.  Good times. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 11, 2011, 03:06:51 PM
Thats the most beautiful football logo ever. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on February 11, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Dynia on February 11, 2011, 04:08:38 PM
Follow La Liga and support Real Madrid :)
But if it has to be Premier League, support Arsenal. They play pretty football.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
How cute.  People pretending soccer is football.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 11, 2011, 04:16:06 PM
Oh you...
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on February 11, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
Football = American Football in USA
Football = "Soccer" in the rest of the world

This is clearly one of these moments when USA is all like "We're biggest, we're the best and what we say is right".  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on February 11, 2011, 04:44:29 PM
How cute.  People pretending soccer is football.
:loser:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zydar on February 12, 2011, 08:06:25 AM
Oh yeah! Great win today by United against City in the Manchester derby :metal

Incredible goal by Rooney  :omg:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 12, 2011, 08:16:52 AM
How cute.  People pretending soccer is football.
(http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/girl.jpg)

Oh yeah! Great win today by United against City in the Manchester derby :metal

Incredible goal by Rooney  :omg:
Didn't see the game, but I'll catch up on Match of the Day tonight! Looks like I was pretty close with my prediction for the match though. Good for Utd, and at least it makes City less of a threat to us (Arsenal), but it also makes Utd harder to catch.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 12, 2011, 09:33:13 AM
Awesome goal by Rooney  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: jsem on February 12, 2011, 09:35:53 AM
Yup. Well actually... american football is MUCH closer to rugby than football. It's like fattier version of rugby. Less running, more homoerotic humping. Oh, and like a tonne of protective gear vs little to none in rugby.

So it should be called Anglo-american fatty rugby.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zydar on February 12, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
Awesome goal by Rooney  :hefdaddy

Here it is :metal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BfF8cgJWGM
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 12, 2011, 10:22:21 AM
That was phenomenal! :o

Also, yay Arsenal. 2-0 at full time! :D
Title: Re: Attention UK Football Fans:
Post by: NecessaryPain on February 12, 2011, 10:58:45 AM
I don't pay much attention to the Premier League. I follow Serie A and La Liga much closer. I don't really have a fav english team..

You don't need to follow La Liga as there's only 2 teams in it.

Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: jsem on February 12, 2011, 11:55:58 AM
tru. It disturbs me. But I don't have cable. And I HATE streaming. So my viewage of Premier League football is limited.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on February 13, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
LolClubAmerica


So... wanna bet?
Chivas-1
Pumas-1
No bets being won or lost here. :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: emindead on February 13, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
Awesome goal by Rooney  :hefdaddy

Here it is :metal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BfF8cgJWGM
It's official, the English have the best league and the WORST commentators EVER.

"Rooney miscalculates... ... ... ROONEY!!!!" So lame.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on February 13, 2011, 02:05:20 PM
Saw that on Sportcenter last night, fucking unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 13, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
Awesome goal by Rooney  :hefdaddy

Here it is :metal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BfF8cgJWGM
It's official, the English have the best league and the WORST commentators EVER.

"Rooney miscalculates... ... ... ROONEY!!!!" So lame.
Huh?

He did miscalculate, he took a terrible touch in the buildup to the goal.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: jsem on February 13, 2011, 04:14:14 PM
NOOO

I can't believe my team lost to Juve tonight. Eto'o had two chances and blew them both. Still he was the only good player on the pitch.

 >:(

The Serie A isn't lost yet though..
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 13, 2011, 07:46:17 PM
LolClubAmerica


So... wanna bet?
Chivas-1
Pumas-1
No bets being won or lost here. :P
:P Yeah mang but pumas goal was better
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on February 13, 2011, 08:23:25 PM
LolClubAmerica


So... wanna bet?
Chivas-1
Pumas-1
No bets being won or lost here. :P
:P Yeah mang but pumas goal was better
:lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 16, 2011, 03:01:22 PM
ARSENAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL! :D

What a match! The middle third of the game was a bit slow going as 10 minutes after Barcelona scored they sat back and Arsenal got a bit desperate, but the opening and closing 25-30 minutes were terrific stuff. I almost don't care whether we even qualify now, we finally beat Barca! :)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: tri.ad on February 16, 2011, 03:11:53 PM
That was a great game. Barcelona was pretty weak during the last twenty to thirty minutes, though. A deserved victory for Arsenal imo.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 16, 2011, 03:13:07 PM
Barca will get its revenge. Hear me, infidels.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 16, 2011, 03:15:15 PM
That was a great game. Barcelona was pretty weak during the last twenty to thirty minutes, though. A deserved victory for Arsenal imo.
Yeah they did throw it away a bit. A 2-1 win is pretty fair I think, although a 2-2 draw would have probably been more representative as Barca were the better team for large parts of the game, and especially considering their disallowed goal was almost certainly onside. But we played well and dug deep, so I'm happy!
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on February 16, 2011, 03:28:46 PM
Great games, I love the UCL  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 16, 2011, 03:35:25 PM
I'm guessing no, but did anyone catch any of the Roma - Shaktar Donetsk match? They had it on another TV in the pub, and it looked hilarious, some of the goals were just a result of really terrible defending. Just a complete world apart from the Arsenal - Barca game. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: emindead on February 16, 2011, 06:55:40 PM
Barca will get its revenge. Hear me, infidels.
Die hard Barcelona fan here. Of course we will! How cute, Arsenal thinks they have a chance to win this round! Camp Nou awaits you. :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 17, 2011, 12:38:27 AM
How cute, Arsenal thinks they have a chance to win this round!
Not really, but we finally beat you, so we're happy! :D
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on February 17, 2011, 02:29:08 AM
I'm so happy that Arsenal won yesterday, both me and my dad screamed like crazies when Arshjavin scored the 2-1 goal.
There isn't a team in the whole world that I hate more then Barcelona, and for many reasons.
First off, it's how they think that they are better then everyone else, and that they are 'gods' amongst normal football players, then we have the phenomenon 'falling like a brick when I feel wind in my back', a phenomenon that players like Busquets, Villa, Xavi, Pedro, Messi, Iniesta, Dani Alves and co. displays in every game.
Then we have the funny thing that as soon as Messi falls down, 5-6 Barcelona players runs up to the person who 'tackled', and gives them the look "How do you DARE to touch GOD?".  :facepalm:
And no, Barcelona doesn't play the 'best football in the world'.
Passing the ball around sideways for 10 minutes before creating a goal-chance isn't entertaining, it's like watching Oprah-reruns at 4 in the morning, not falling asleep is impossible.
And what really showed the world what scumbags they are, was the whole Fabregas-incident last summer.
They really expected Arsenal to sell him for pretty much 0 cash, and when they got a no, they were like "He has our DNA, blabla", funny enough Barcelona sold him X years ago with no interest in him, suddenly they thought that Arsenal would screw him over.

And lets not forget this "Barcelona is the best team in the world"-nonsense, seriously.. Inter are the champions until another team proves them wrong, which will be in a new CL-final.
You can't be the best team in the world simply by winning over shitty teams in the Spanish-League, it's a fact that the Spanish League is one of the worst, and players only go there because it makes it easier when you just have to flip a coin with Real Madrid every year.

About the game I thought Barcelona did a better first half, though Arsenal completely destroyed them in the second.
I don't even recall Barcelona creating any chances in the second, so Arsenal surely did something right. :)
I was really impressed with Wilshere, Koscielny and Szczesny, I think they all performed very well.
If Arsenal can take the second half with them, I'm pretty sure they can make it.
And I really hope so, Barcelona are the scumbags of the football-world, and I'll have a lot of cake if the team that beats them is Arsenal.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 17, 2011, 02:46:15 AM
:lol I don't hate Barca like you do, but I'm still glad to hear you're on Arsenal's side here! And yeah I though Wilshire and Szczesny were absolutely top-notch last night, they both have so much class and confidence for such youngsters. Koscielny was mostly good (made some really important challenges) but our defense in general did have a couple of weaker moments that we were lucky to get away with.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on February 27, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Arsenal are so pro.  :mehlin
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 27, 2011, 10:58:31 AM
Bahahahaha we fail so badly sometimes. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on February 27, 2011, 11:03:11 AM
Most people would've bet 3 million dollars on Arsenal winning Carling Cup, that's pretty much how insane favorites they were.
If they can't win the titles that are being handed over to them, how are they going to win CL or PL? :P
I'm sure they'll advance to the next round in CL, and they do have a good schedule for PL, but it seems like they're only being stopped by themselves all the time.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on February 27, 2011, 11:07:18 AM
Yeah Koscielny's error was ridiculous. :lol

But in terms of being massive favourites, the bookies were very disproportionate there. Birmingham have been doing very well in the cups and they are one of those teams who often upset us (West Ham do it a lot as well). I wasn't surprised that they tried so much harder than us, or that they won, I'm just surprised at how ridiculous the winning goal was, and after we have been completely dominating for half an hour. Shame really.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on February 27, 2011, 11:55:33 AM
I cant seem to find a website that'll stream the matches. anyone got a lead on this?
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: jsem on February 27, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Check your PM
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 01, 2011, 02:44:44 PM
... And congrats to Arsenal winning PL.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on March 01, 2011, 03:16:20 PM
Anyone see the video of the guy hitting himself in the face with another guy's.  Funniest shit ever.  Can't link to it from here, but it's on Youtube. Don't know how old it is either, so forgive me if you all have seen it.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 01, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Anyone see the video of the guy hitting himself in the face with another guy's.  Funniest shit ever.  Can't link to it from here, but it's on Youtube. Don't know how old it is either, so forgive me if you all have seen it.

Yeah I saw that one.
Some quality-diving, just like in Barcelona.  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on March 01, 2011, 04:16:24 PM
... And congrats to Arsenal winning PL.
Woah! I stopped watching at half-time, it was a good match but United were looking much stronger, surprised it turned around! This keeps things very open in the league, although United still definitely have the edge IMO.

Anyone see the video of the guy hitting himself in the face with another guy's.  Funniest shit ever.  Can't link to it from here, but it's on Youtube. Don't know how old it is either, so forgive me if you all have seen it.
Yeah I saw that, it was brilliant. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: lonestar on March 01, 2011, 05:51:41 PM
I saw it on the TV at the local pub on ESPN's failures of the year, and literally spit beer.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 02, 2011, 03:21:32 AM
Woah! I stopped watching at half-time, it was a good match but United were looking much stronger, surprised it turned around! This keeps things very open in the league, although United still definitely have the edge IMO.


The next game(s) with Brown in our defense?  ;)
Yeah right.
I'm counting the next game ('Pool away) as a loss/draw at best, which means that when Arsenal beats Sunderland the difference will be 2 points.
Even if United draws against Arsenal on Emirates, United still has another game against Chelsea, and an overall tougher schedule. :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on March 02, 2011, 11:34:52 AM
Woah! I stopped watching at half-time, it was a good match but United were looking much stronger, surprised it turned around! This keeps things very open in the league, although United still definitely have the edge IMO.


The next game(s) with Brown in our defense?  ;)
Yeah right.
I'm counting the next game ('Pool away) as a loss/draw at best, which means that when Arsenal beats Sunderland the difference will be 2 points.
Even if United draws against Arsenal on Emirates, United still has another game against Chelsea, and an overall tougher schedule. :P
Yeah, but Aresnal are bound to lose to someone terrible at some point, like we always do. :P

Good point about Brown though. How long is Vidic's suspension? I'm assuming not that long as it was a double yellow rather than a straight red.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 02, 2011, 11:59:38 AM
Think it's just against Pool, but that was a game we could have won, but instead might loose.
I kinda suffer with Arsenal though, always unlucky with injuries. :/
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2011, 11:15:29 AM
Arsenal destroying Barcelona tonight, please.
I can't stand those dwarf-women with their "300 passes in sideways", so please Arsenal... send them out of CL.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: toro on March 08, 2011, 11:17:23 AM
Arsenal destroying Barcelona tonight, please.
I can't stand those dwarf-women with their "300 passes in sideways", so please Arsenal... send them out of CL.  :hefdaddy
THIS PLEASE.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on March 08, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
I wouldn't hold your breath, we haven't been on a great run since we beat them in the first leg. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football) Discussion Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2011, 02:51:56 PM
I really hope UEFA will do something about shitty referees.
Wouldn't surprise me if Barca use all their Unicef-shit to get the referees on their side, the red card and the penalty was a disgrace, the only one who saw them was the referee.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: emindead on March 08, 2011, 04:05:45 PM
Today Barcelona defeated Arsenal 3-1 (the one being an own goal) in the UEFA Champions League and they classified to the next round.

:victorydance:

:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
Title: Re: The official football (soccer)-thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on March 08, 2011, 04:19:08 PM
John Cleese's incredible rant about the difference between American football and real football:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo


Not really on-topic but just saw it and wanted to post it somewhere :p.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on March 08, 2011, 05:02:35 PM
I really hope UEFA will do something about shitty referees.
Wouldn't surprise me if Barca use all their Unicef-shit to get the referees on their side, the red card and the penalty was a disgrace, the only one who saw them was the referee.  :facepalm:
:(

Also, threads merged.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on March 08, 2011, 05:22:35 PM
I really hope UEFA will do something about shitty referees.
It's not just UEFA, it's a world-wide epidemic.

Wouldn't surprise me if Barca use all their Unicef-shit to get the referees on their side
Now that's just being butt-sore (even so, Barca's new sponsor is Qatar Foundation).
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on March 09, 2011, 02:23:39 AM
It's just kinda sad to see a game going down that way.
Do I imply that Barcelona didn't deserve to advance? Certainly not, they were better yesterday.
However, the way that they advanced... they had like 19 goal-chances or something? But still they needed the referee to throw them a very very easy penalty, and a red card that was probably the lamest I have ever seen.
I really feel for RVP, how the hell is he supposed to hear the whistle when there's 90 000 pigs screaming "Messi, our messiah" (in spanish probs), and it made it even more funny when the shot came about 1 second after the whistle, not like it was intentional.
Just look at his face afterwards, his reaction was pretty much: "awh, bad shot" not "awh f*cking offside". :P

I really hope Barcelona gets out in the next round, their whole mentality was summed up when they got the penalty, and Xavi ran up to Pedro with a look on his face saying: "Nice diving bro, we got this".  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: kala1928 on March 09, 2011, 05:19:28 AM
Funny thing is even with the bazillion referees they have on the field everyone missed Abidal's grab which should have obviously resulted in a card. Which then resulted on RVP boiling over and Alves managing to fish him the first yellow by blatantly running in front of him.

Granted with the shot total being 17-0 and Barca creating two really sweet goals the right team won no matter how many Barca-haters shout the opposite. Yeah the penalty was lightly given but with 45mins left on the clock and playing 10-9 (they were dominating 10-10 in a pretty similar fashion) they would've eventually scored the winning goal anyway.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on March 10, 2011, 02:24:07 AM
Grats Spurs and Schalke for going to the quarter-finals, especially fun for Spurs. :)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on March 15, 2011, 12:44:15 PM
I've been dreading the game tonight since the 0-0 result 3 weeks ago.
It really feels like Man U didn't get a good result at all, and I've had nightmares about Marseille taking the lead on Old Trafford (with a bit of luck), then we'll see a 10 defenders-strategy, where Man U only manages to get 1 goal in, resulting in Marseille = winners.

As a Man U-fan I should be positive, but yeah, let's see how the game plays out.  :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: reneranucci on March 15, 2011, 05:02:34 PM
Well Manchester qualified very easily (Chicharito - yeah!).

Bayern - Inter was epic, but I give a major  :facepalm: to Bayern for missing so many chances and falling apart and when they were practically qualified. Incredible.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on March 15, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
Awesome matches today
Fuck Yeah Man U
And the Inter-Bayer game was EPIC.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on March 15, 2011, 05:33:23 PM
Well done to United! Although LOL at Wes Brown getting an own goal. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on March 15, 2011, 07:30:13 PM
Bayern sucks so much it's not funny. Laughable defense. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU ARE TYING IN YOUR OWN PLACE AND THAT RESULT BENEFITS YOU? Oh, nothing. Allow Inter to keep playing the way it has in the second-half and expect nothing to go wrong.

:therearenowords:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on March 16, 2011, 04:58:54 AM
Great to see Man United go through, but if they have to continue playing with Brown in the defense, they might as well give away the titles.
The only thing he did 'good' last night was scoring a goal, but obviously in the wrong one.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on April 27, 2011, 02:12:31 PM
So Real Mad vs Farca two of the teams I hate the most, but I'd love if RM wins.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on April 27, 2011, 02:18:39 PM
Barcelona are disgusting as always.  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on April 27, 2011, 02:22:05 PM
And Goal...
Fucking damn I wanted to see the delicious Farca fan tears.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
In b4 Zantera rages about how evil Barca are.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on April 27, 2011, 02:56:16 PM
I think I already have in this thread tbh. :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on April 27, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
VISCA BARCAAAAAAAAA!!!!

I've had some people insulting me on Facebook because I've provoked them thanks to this victory. :rollin

:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

cue my previous avatar
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on April 28, 2011, 11:18:15 AM
Been reading a lot today about stuff being said after the game, from both Barcelona-fans and the rest, which combined with how the game looked last night makes me kinda frustrated.
It's really no news that Barcelona is the holy team from heaven, sent down to show the rest of the football clubs how to play the game.
The media manages to praise Barcelona to a whole new level, the players are godlike, especially Messi, don't even get me started on Messi.
Sure, he's a great football player, but I feel like it's ridiculous how it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to get a yellow card, no matter what shit he pulls on the field. (like kicking the ball towards the Real-fans, or doing a clumsy tackle)
Last night there was a situation where he should have gotten a yellow card, but he just blinked with his eye and gave the referee a thumbs up, and that was the end of that.
You could literally SEE Messi's lips forming the words: "They'll never know".
Another player that annoys the hell out of me is Xavi, probably the most arrogant and biggest jerk of a football player that you can find.
EVERY time there has been a game, Xavi always HAS to make some idiotic comment, yesterday's game was "A victory for football", when they defeated Arsenal he said "the red card didn't change the outlook of the game".
Mario Balotelli comes off as being intelligent in comparison.

I know there are a few people here who loves Barcelona, my biggest question.. aren't you guys ashamed of your players?
I'm not talking about the 'offensive a-la-barca'-playingstyle, I'm talking about how all the players take a dive as soon as they feel wind in their neck, in many cases it's a player getting a touch on the foot, then 30 seconds later rolling around holding their hands before their faces.
I'm not going to defend Real, because obviously they have a few players like this as well, so does most teams, but with Barcelona it's really all of the team.
The whole 'diving in every situation' is stupid, and the players are pretty much crying like they got their legs broken, to follow that up 20 seconds later with running at max pace.
Let's not forget the other Barcelona-strategy, that every time a player goes down, all of the team has to run up to the judge, and beg for cards.
It's funny because Valdes is always the first player to come up to the judge, even if the incident occurred all over the field at the opponent's penalty-box.
SERIOUSLY.. Get the fuck back to your own goal and mind your own business.

And in the next sentence I'm not talking about how these players are as football players (quality-wise) but instead sportsmanship and such, players like: Valdes, Dani Alves, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Pedro and Messi stands for everything that's wrong with this world.
Seriously.

There, finally let some steam off.  :biggrin:
 
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on April 28, 2011, 07:10:48 PM
I hate Real Mad almost as much as i hate Farca and all their bandwaggoners(Both teams)
But holy fuck I have NEVER EVER SEE so much praise for a dirty cheating team(Fucking Pedro and Alvez I'm looking at you 2)
I agre with you Zantera, the whole Messi thing is getting on my nerves, I hate diving and looks like thats the only good thing Farca does, let's review Farca "Real Beautiful Football" playing:

Playing against a strong team(CL)
PASS, PASS, PASS (During 60m minutes)
DIVES DIVES.
PULL A DIVE, GET SOMEONE FROM THE OTHER TEAM A RED CARD.
PASS THE BALL TO MESSI
GOAL.

Against THE SHIT TIER LA LIGA TEAMS.
Just pass the ball to Messi.


...
I MAD.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on April 29, 2011, 02:10:37 AM
I'm cheering for Man U, so it looks like they'll meet Barca in the final.
I know, and many others know that Man U has a very high chance of beating Barcelona, probably even higher then the game ending the other way around, but looking at Barca's history with referee's giving them weird advantages, I'm counting the final a loss beforehand.
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Post by: Zydar on April 29, 2011, 02:38:23 AM
I hate diving, and I hate Alves right now for faking that injury. Bah.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on May 09, 2011, 11:30:41 AM
Just got back home from London, been a pretty fantastic football-weekend.  :)

About 6 months ago my dad told me that he and his working buddies would do a football-trip sometime during the season, they've been pals for around 25 years, football is a huge passion amongst all of them, and they together bet money on results and such, and if anyone wins then they go see games for the win money.
Anyhow, one of my dad's friends is a huge Queens Park Rangers-fan, and a few others cheer for Leeds, so very early on (like last October) they decided that the game of choice would be Queens Park Rangers - Leeds United, in the very last round of Championship. (aka this weekend)
The outcome couldn't have been better; QPR were already champions and didn't get a penalty for the transfer of Alejandro Faurlin (which was debated a lot), and Leeds had the chance to steal the last qualifying-spot from Nottingham.

The game itself and everything around it was pretty amazing, the shop was crowded to the point where it was impossible to browse through the items, a lot of screaming and happy faces on the streets.
The audience was amazing, and after just ~30 seconds, Helguson had already given QPR the lead with 1-0.
Leeds ended up winning with 2-1 after two very 'lucky' goals, but the result of the game didn't matter since Nottingham won their game against Palace, which meant that Leeds still plays in the Championship next year.
QPR were already champions, and I think that was the fact that didn't force them to perform 100% on the field, they had their minds set on the scenes afterwards already.
QPR got the trophy and there was a lot of celebrations that they got to PL for the first time in 15 years, pretty amazing that I got to see this on place.

Sunday was obviously revolving around Man U - Chelsea, we went to a sports bar hided very neatly behind Piccadilly Circus.
We got to see Stoke beat the hell out of Arsenal, which wasn't really all that surprising, after all Stoke has had a very strong season, meanwhile Arsenal don't really have anything to play for.
First ~40 seconds of the big game was fantastic, Chicharito was fantastic, and the goal itself really displays why I love him, he has quickly become one of my favorite players.
The first half was brilliant, the second wasn't AS good (from Man U's pov), but they still created enough chances to get both 3-1 and 4-1, they were robbed of a penalty when there was a hand-ball in the penalty box, but otherwise I'm just happy that they won.
Park was probably the player of the match for me, he's just amazing.

So yeah, that pretty much sums up my weekend. :)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on May 09, 2011, 02:17:34 PM
YOU CAME TO LONDON AND DIDN'T SAY HI?

WE ARE NO LONGER FRIENDS

:sadpanda:
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 09, 2011, 02:33:28 PM
For those Mexican League fans, everyone who is happy to see America eliminated, raise their hands.



And toro, nice job by Pumas beating Monterey, their a tough team. :tup

If what my coworker told me is true, your team and my Chivas go head to head next week. :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on May 09, 2011, 02:58:24 PM
YOU CAME TO LONDON AND DIDN'T SAY HI?

WE ARE NO LONGER FRIENDS

:sadpanda:

It was only for like 2 days.
Was crazy busy, but hopefully the next time I'll have more spare time for other things then football.  :hat
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on May 09, 2011, 03:06:05 PM
For those Mexican League fans, everyone who is happy to see America eliminated, raise their hands.



And toro, nice job by Pumas beating Monterey, their a tough team. :tup

If what my coworker told me is true, your team and my Chivas go head to head next week. :metal
it's this week tuesday I believe.
and we are gonna win  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 09, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
It's on, compa.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on May 09, 2011, 03:23:41 PM
But seriously mang, I'm worried I have a bad feeling about the match if we lose in Chivas home(By a big difference) I'm sure we are not gonna do anything In Ciudad Universitaria...
But if we pass this round theres a 50/50 chance that I'm going to Mexico City to watch the game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 09, 2011, 04:29:27 PM
That would be cool.


BTW toro, I've asked the guys at work, but they don't speak a sufficient amount of english to get it across to me.  How do the coming final weeks of the league play out?
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on May 09, 2011, 06:30:34 PM
What do you mean? Like the format of the league?
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 09, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
What do you mean? Like the format of the league?
A general, brief explanation of the playoffs, I understand the regular league, and if I am right, record and points determine seeding.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on May 09, 2011, 07:09:07 PM
Oh Thank god you know about the regular Phase  :rollin fucking clusterfuck of a league, anyways the play-offs are as follows:

2 matches by leg(home and away games) and thats pretty much it, the final game goes The same way... But the team with the most points gets the last game of the final at home.





Edit: Fucking Iphone
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 09, 2011, 07:14:38 PM
Thanks dude. :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 15, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
Congtrats Toro, Pumas in the finals, and it looks likely you'lle  be facing Morelia, just saw they are all ready up on Cruz Azul 2-0.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on May 15, 2011, 10:47:33 PM
Thanks  :tup It was an awesome game to be honest I was shitting myself during the first 20 minutes  :lol :lol

Oh yes, and I think I'm going to Mexico City to see the game.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 15, 2011, 11:57:25 PM
Thanks  :tup It was an awesome game to be honest I was shitting myself during the first 20 minutes  :lol :lol

Oh yes, and I think I'm going to Mexico City to see the game.  :metal :metal
One of our cooks is going to try and head down for it too.  Good luck, I'll be cheering for them. :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on May 16, 2011, 03:56:01 AM
So, Man U won PL, and it's pretty great.
Not really sure if I'm excited or not about the CL-final against Barcelona, normally I know that Man U will beat them, but looking at Barcelona's past with having referee's on their side, it's going to be a nightmare.
I just hope that the final will have a neutral referee that doesn't buy into the whole diving-crap, to me it feels like Barcelona are getting much more freekicks and such then they deserve.

I also really want to end the "Barcelona are the best team in the world"-bs, so if Man U wins the final, then Barcelona certainly can't be the best.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: toro on May 23, 2011, 03:01:05 PM
Thanks  :tup It was an awesome game to be honest I was shitting myself during the first 20 minutes  :lol :lol

Oh yes, and I think I'm going to Mexico City to see the game.  :metal :metal
One of our cooks is going to try and head down for it too.  Good luck, I'll be cheering for them. :tup
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS  :metal


(http://i.imgur.com/nDZWe.jpg)

I love my team's jersey.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on May 23, 2011, 03:08:30 PM
So, Man U won PL, and it's pretty great.
Not really sure if I'm excited or not about the CL-final against Barcelona, normally I know that Man U will beat them, but looking at Barcelona's past with having referee's on their side, it's going to be a nightmare.
I just hope that the final will have a neutral referee that doesn't buy into the whole diving-crap, to me it feels like Barcelona are getting much more freekicks and such then they deserve.

I also really want to end the "Barcelona are the best team in the world"-bs, so if Man U wins the final, then Barcelona certainly can't be the best.
I love how much you hate Barca for "always having referees on their side", when Man U have been the same for years. :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: lonestar on May 23, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
Thanks  :tup It was an awesome game to be honest I was shitting myself during the first 20 minutes  :lol :lol

Oh yes, and I think I'm going to Mexico City to see the game.  :metal :metal
One of our cooks is going to try and head down for it too.  Good luck, I'll be cheering for them. :tup
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS  :metal


(http://i.imgur.com/nDZWe.jpg)

I love my team's jersey.
Congrats man.  I had one happy Mexican in my kitchen yesterday.  He kept flexing his biceps and kissing them. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: tri.ad on May 28, 2011, 11:12:10 AM
So... The Champions League final is on tonight. Personally, I don't have any preference on who should win it; I'll just hope for a good game (if I actually watch it).
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Post by: Zydar on May 28, 2011, 11:36:36 AM
I've been waiting for this game for weeks now, I'm so pumped for it!

Come on United! :metal
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Post by: erik16 on May 28, 2011, 02:21:27 PM
Barca are toying with Utd atm and my bro is cringing at Utd's uselessness.

And there was a handball in Barca's box, unnoticed.
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Post by: Zantera on May 28, 2011, 02:42:26 PM
I'm so disappointed right now, that I don't even have anything to say.
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Post by: Zydar on May 29, 2011, 12:19:06 AM
Barcelona was the better team, they are really in a league of their own. Man United put up a fight in the first 45 minutes, but then Barcelona took over and showed us that they are one of the best club teams ever.

My hat goes off to them. But next year we'll beat them ;)
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Post by: ariich on May 29, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
It was an amazing match, definitely the kind of thing I would want from a champions league final! Both teams played great in the first half, it was really exhilarating to watch. Second half United still played well, but when Barca are on form they are unstoppable. Great game!
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Post by: Zantera on May 29, 2011, 10:02:34 AM
Mourinho is probably the only coach that can stop Barcelona.

I'm ok with loosing, my only big disappointment is that Ferguson learned nothing from the previous final, and I didn't feel like he did everything possible to change the outlook of the game.
He changed places with Giggs and Park, something that was a huge mistake, he should've changed back or IMO changed Giggs for Anderson or Fletcher at halftime.
I also don't get the substitute of Scholes, maybe it was a sort of "tribute to this great player who has been with us for a long time", but United were loosing and it wasn't really a substitute to change the outcome.
He should've at least given Owen some playtime, I'm not saying that it would've been a success, but then at least he would've done everything he could as a coach.

Oh well, can't wait for next season!
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Post by: Arch Benemy on May 29, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Owen? He should have played Berbatov for sure, the guy's the joint leading PL goalscorer and he's only played in about half the games. But looks like Dimi's on the way out anyway, so maybe they had a falling out before the match. Was a great game, made even better by the fact that I put £10 on Barca to win 3-1 and got a return of £160  :tup :tup

Spurs fan here, shame we didn't make the Champs league again this year but we just don't have the strikers. Word is Defoe and Pav are on the way out, but they've been far better than Crouch this season. Levy is a great chairman though so no doubt 'arry will have some money to spend during the summer. Couple of tasty rumours going around about who might come in, Drogba being one of them. Abramovich will want Torres to be the focal point of Chelsea's attack now that he's spent 50 mil on him, and Didier won't want to play second fiddle, so reckon he'll be on his way. When he first arrived in the Prem I hated Drogba, diving around and play-acting worse than Nani does now, but he's cut that out of his game and is much better for it. The guy's as strong as an ox, would love him at Spurs. Berbatov has been linked with a return to the Lane too, but that's a little less likely in my opinion. We could do with a centre back that actually has knees too. And a keeper with hands.

Man City are going to get stronger and stronger, and Man U are never going to drop out of the top 4 either. Liverpool are like a new team now that King Kenny's taken over, plus with Arsenal and Chelsea always doing well it's going to be a real tough ask for Spurs to get 4th again. The only teams I can see making room for them are Liverpool, Chelsea (after their mid-season wobble) or Arsenal, because Fabregas will surely be on his way along with Denilson and Nasri, who apparantly hasn't signed a new contract, and Wenger is so opposed to spending any money.

So who's going to win the play-off tomorrow? I'm hoping Reading for two reasons:

1) I have a soft spot for the town of Reading purely because every time i've been there for the festival I've had an absolute blast, and
2) They're sponsered by Waitrose, who I work for, and I can get free tickets to see them play :)

Glad to find this thread, I was actually thinking of starting one for the 11/12 Prem season, but now I don't have to. One thing's for sure, it's going to be the most competitive season yet. Every team is going to get stronger, plus the teams coming up seem to be of a particularly high quality (why oh why did Spurs sell Taarbt to QPR :() Can't wait for August, what am I going to do for 3 months!?!

Also, if there is enough interest we could potentially get a DTF dream team league going.
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Post by: Zantera on May 29, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
Well, Berbatov wasn't on the bench, so that's why I mentioned Owen. ;)

As for the qualifying-game, I don't have any particular feelings for any of the teams, but if I had to pick, I'd probably pick Swansea for these reasons:
First off, a team from Wales in PL? That would be pretty interesting. Reading has been in the PL not too long ago, and seeing as QPR and Norwich are already up, even though Norwich has been up in the last 10 years or so, I still feel like both these teams are like a breeze of fresh air in the PL, and if Swansea became the third team, I would love it, because that would mean some new teams.
Normally there are a few teams that goes down and then comes up the year after, luckily we got some new teams this year instead. :)

As for Silly Season, it's one of my favorite periods during the year.
Being a huge Man U-fan, I know they probably won't buy/sell much on their own, but just following this season in general, seeing what new players arrives in other PL-clubs and such, it's really interesting. I don't only watch Man U-games, I also watch a lot of the other teams, so seeing new faces is great.
Rumors this far includes De Gea from Athletico Madrid as the new first keeper, a choice I would be very happy about, seeing as he's both young but also a fantastic goalie.
Ashley Young from Villa is another name that keeps popping up, and I'm guessing that Ferguson wants to get a new winger in, seeing as Giggs will most likely do his last season, and this way Fergie gets some time to adjust the new player to the club, before playing him more frequently.
I'm not sure what I think about Young, he's great, but not better then any of Man U's current wingers, however he also has the potential to play in a "nr.10"-role behind a forward, which gives good options if they need to play a 4-5-1 system.

That's it for now I guess. :)
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Post by: Arch Benemy on May 29, 2011, 04:00:38 PM
I'll bet Modric is top of Ferguson's target list (behind a new goalie of course) and I'm worried he might get his man. I know Fergie was also interested in Bale, but he's already said he won't be going anywhere this year, which is great news. If we lose Modric then Spurs will need another midfielder, otherwise we need nobody for that position. I'd say Spurs' midfield of Bale, Modric, Sandro, Lennon and van der Vaart is the strongest in the league, but at least if Modric does go for around £30m Man U will also have to buy out the remaining 5 years of his contract, so Spurs would have a massive income to play around with. That said, I'd rather he stayed. He's so important to us, and we need all our best players to push for the top 4.

Charlie Adam would be a nice addition though, maybe in place of Sandro. With Blackpool being relegated and Adam only having 12 months on his contract I reckon he could be bought for less than £10m, and with the likes of Kranjcar, Pavlyucheko, O'Hara, Gomes, Keane and Bentley most likely going to be sold, there should be plenty of money for a move of that sort. You can always trust Redknapp to never disappoint during transfer windows. Hopefully he doesn't go to Chelsea!
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on May 29, 2011, 04:43:23 PM
Been reading a lot today about stuff being said after the game, from both Barcelona-fans and the rest, which combined with how the game looked last night makes me kinda frustrated.
It's really no news that Barcelona is the holy team from heaven, sent down to show the rest of the football clubs how to play the game.
The media manages to praise Barcelona to a whole new level, the players are godlike, especially Messi, don't even get me started on Messi.
Sure, he's a great football player, but I feel like it's ridiculous how it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to get a yellow card, no matter what shit he pulls on the field. (like kicking the ball towards the Real-fans, or doing a clumsy tackle)
Last night there was a situation where he should have gotten a yellow card, but he just blinked with his eye and gave the referee a thumbs up, and that was the end of that.
You could literally SEE Messi's lips forming the words: "They'll never know".
Another player that annoys the hell out of me is Xavi, probably the most arrogant and biggest jerk of a football player that you can find.
EVERY time there has been a game, Xavi always HAS to make some idiotic comment, yesterday's game was "A victory for football", when they defeated Arsenal he said "the red card didn't change the outlook of the game".
Mario Balotelli comes off as being intelligent in comparison.

I know there are a few people here who loves Barcelona, my biggest question.. aren't you guys ashamed of your players?
I'm not talking about the 'offensive a-la-barca'-playingstyle, I'm talking about how all the players take a dive as soon as they feel wind in their neck, in many cases it's a player getting a touch on the foot, then 30 seconds later rolling around holding their hands before their faces.
I'm not going to defend Real, because obviously they have a few players like this as well, so does most teams, but with Barcelona it's really all of the team.
The whole 'diving in every situation' is stupid, and the players are pretty much crying like they got their legs broken, to follow that up 20 seconds later with running at max pace.
Let's not forget the other Barcelona-strategy, that every time a player goes down, all of the team has to run up to the judge, and beg for cards.
It's funny because Valdes is always the first player to come up to the judge, even if the incident occurred all over the field at the opponent's penalty-box.
SERIOUSLY.. Get the fuck back to your own goal and mind your own business.

And in the next sentence I'm not talking about how these players are as football players (quality-wise) but instead sportsmanship and such, players like: Valdes, Dani Alves, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Pedro and Messi stands for everything that's wrong with this world.
Seriously.

There, finally let some steam off.  :biggrin:
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9dkmyZMvQ1qzvxm5.gif)

(http://imgur.com/VMAzs.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/UjrH3.png)

(http://imgur.com/Pw03K.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/oAKiJ.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/qlCCF.jpg)

AND THIS IS WHAT'S SO GREAT ABOUT BARCELONA. LOOK AT THE FIRST GUY TO HOLD THE CUP.

(http://imgur.com/n5oqv.jpg)
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Post by: Zantera on May 29, 2011, 04:52:07 PM
Congrats Emindead, turns out that diving and cheating does make the difference. :)
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Post by: ariich on May 29, 2011, 05:08:45 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9dkmyZMvQ1qzvxm5.gif)
:lol Brilliant.
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Post by: Nick on May 29, 2011, 05:09:53 PM
I was nice and went ahead and fixed this thread for you guys. :D
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Post by: ariich on May 29, 2011, 05:14:04 PM
DAMMIT NICK STOP FAILING SO MUCH
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Post by: Arch Benemy on May 29, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
As long as Nani is in the team, no Man U fan can complain about diving or play acting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4by_jfIU3iY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XpEoCvW2Wo

Admittedly the Carragher tackle was really bad, but the way Nani gets up, runs over to the ref to complain, then collapses in 'agony' is ridiculous, he's a disgrace to the game as much as anyone else. And then hitting out at one of the medical staff, what a prick.
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Post by: ariich on May 29, 2011, 05:20:08 PM
Congrats Emindead, turns out that diving and cheating does make the difference. :)
That's not really news, by the way. :P
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Post by: emindead on May 29, 2011, 05:58:34 PM
And that's completely unfair and simply not true. The only guy who dives in the team and I hate it as much as the next guy is Sergio Busquets. I hate when he dives.

The truth is that you haven't seen a better team playing football in your life. :p This is a great opportunity for every single living person who enjoys football.

Look at the way Barcelona dominated yesterday's game, that's the sum of how they played this season. They are the better team right now. There's nothing left to say. Messi is the best player in the word. Deal with it. He never has a yellow card because he doesn't play rough, he plays football and you can see it in every match. He takes a lot of shit and you say nothing about it. Most of the time he's in the ground because he receives too many tackles. Apparently there's no other way to stop him. That's why he occasionally gets mad and throws the ball away. And you simply know it. So, please, don't dismiss Barcelona in that way.

And trying to praise Mourinho when he has no class, no class whatsoever when it comes to play the game. He has no class inside and outside the court. Just listen to his declarations. Josep Guardiola handled it great and had his payback (after losing against Inter last year).
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Post by: toro on May 30, 2011, 12:55:19 AM
LOLNO they fucking put the water sprayers for the field right after they lost, and thats not really classy.
But god, this game was a total rape. but I still find the Barcelona playing style really boring.
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Post by: Zantera on May 30, 2011, 02:32:13 AM
And that's completely unfair and simply not true. The only guy who dives in the team and I hate it as much as the next guy is Sergio Busquets. I hate when he dives.

Aren't you forgetting Dani Alves, Mascherano, Iniesta, Xavi, Villa, Pedro and Messi?  ;)

I do think that Barcelona deserved to win against Man United, they were the better team in that game and they didn't get much help from the referee, AND they didn't actually dive much during the final.
However, fact remains that they should've gone out against Arsenal already, if not for the referee who decided to rape Arsenal with a few advantages for Barcelona.
And if not there, then probably against Real, a team that also got raped by a few advantages. ;)

Also, I don't think that Barcelona plays shit-football, I just don't like the way they play it.
I mean, as I see it, it's passing the ball in sideways for about 5 minutes, then a pass forward to Messi, Villa or Pedro, and maybe a goal-chance.
I just don't care for their playing-style at all, personally I love teams who can attack from their own penalty-box and score in maybe 3-4 passes and in 30 seconds, something I've never seen Barcelona do, because they always have to pass in sideways before going forward.
It's also very hard for me to sympathize with Barcelona because of how they act on the pitch, I really dislike diving, trying to affect the referee's opinions and whining.
It's for the same reason I dislike some of Man United's players, like Nani, who is great, but seriously should stop diving and such. :P
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Post by: Nekov on May 30, 2011, 04:29:19 AM

However, fact remains that they should've gone out against Arsenal already, if not for the referee who decided to rape Arsenal with a few advantages for Barcelona.
And if not there, then probably against Real, a team that also got raped by a few advantages. ;)


It's funny ow everyone mentions this but noone says anything about last year when Barcelona got ripped off agains Inter on both games. Why are people trying to diminish Barcelona's acomplishments? The referi made some mistakes against Real Mardid for sure, but he did for both sides because on both games there were a couple of players that should have been ejected of the game after commiting several fouls.

Anyway, Barcelona did a great match against MU and deserved the win. All 4 goals where really good. I'm sad because Van der Sar had to retire losing the final.
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Post by: Zantera on May 30, 2011, 05:01:18 AM
I actually watched Barcelona-Inter last year, and I can't remember Barcelona getting any particular things against them.
If anything, Inter got a very cheap red-card very early on in the first half, which obviously gave Barcelona huge advantages.

Again, I'm not really trying to take away anything from Barcelona, they won fair and square against Man U, my only question is.. if they are 'the best team in the world', how come they need the help from the referees?
I'm not saying that was the case in the final, but against Arsenal and Real for example, without getting a cheap penalty against Arsenal, and without that cheap red card on RVP, Barca would've been out back then already.

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Post by: Arch Benemy on May 30, 2011, 08:30:52 AM
Wow Reading are getting owned in the play-off. 2 nil down and very lucky they're not down to 10 men too
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Post by: ariich on May 30, 2011, 08:42:41 AM
A colleague of mine is a huge Reading fan.

I will lol if they get battered
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Post by: Arch Benemy on May 30, 2011, 08:45:26 AM
A colleague of mine is a huge Reading fan.

I will lol if they get battered
Looks like that's going to be the case, 3-0 now!
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 30, 2011, 11:04:12 AM
I actually watched Barcelona-Inter last year, and I can't remember Barcelona getting any particular things against them.
If anything, Inter got a very cheap red-card very early on in the first half, which obviously gave Barcelona huge advantages.

Again, I'm not really trying to take away anything from Barcelona, they won fair and square against Man U, my only question is.. if they are 'the best team in the world', how come they need the help from the referees?
I'm not saying that was the case in the final, but against Arsenal and Real for example, without getting a cheap penalty against Arsenal, and without that cheap red card on RVP, Barca would've been out back then already.



There are two that I remember that changed the global result. First was Milito's goal when he was offside. Second was the goal that Toure scored but was then invalidated because of a handball that was clearly non intentional.
There were lots of other fouls the referee did not whistle in the middle of the field.
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Post by: emindead on May 30, 2011, 11:35:47 AM
LOLNO they fucking put the water sprayers for the field right after they lost, and thats not really classy.
But god, this game was a total rape. but I still find the Barcelona playing style really boring.
Um, welcome to real life. There's no team that in their right mind will allow the other team to celebrate in their own stadium. This is common sense. Nothing to do with class. When Porto won the last clásico that gave them mathematically the league, they started to celebrate in the field... and got the lights of the stadium shut down. Of course it was going to happen, nobody made a fuzz about it because no owner will allow that kind of humiliation. (Mourinho bringing Figo to the Camp Nou, a classless act, very much in his style.) I think that everyone knows this.

I actually watched Barcelona-Inter last year, and I can't remember Barcelona getting any particular things against them.
If anything, Inter got a very cheap red-card very early on in the first half, which obviously gave Barcelona huge advantages.

Again, I'm not really trying to take away anything from Barcelona, they won fair and square against Man U, my only question is.. if they are 'the best team in the world', how come they need the help from the referees?
I'm not saying that was the case in the final, but against Arsenal and Real for example, without getting a cheap penalty against Arsenal, and without that cheap red card on RVP, Barca would've been out back then already.



There are two that I remember that changed the global result. First was Milito's goal when he was offside. Second was the goal that Toure scored but was then invalidated because of a handball that was clearly non intentional.
There were lots of other fouls the referee did not whistle in the middle of the field.
This is certainly true. I remember I screamed at the TV when the ref invalidated that legitimate goal... and I let it go instead of being a sore loser. Refs occasionally (although it seems more often than not :p) make mistakes. In that case, Inter didn't deserve the cup, Barcelona did... that's bullshit.

And that's completely unfair and simply not true. The only guy who dives in the team and I hate it as much as the next guy is Sergio Busquets. I hate when he dives.
I just don't care for their playing-style at all, personally I love teams who can attack from their own penalty-box and score in maybe 3-4 passes and in 30 seconds, something I've never seen Barcelona do, because they always have to pass in sideways before going forward.
You mean goals like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrao0ROwpAM

Oh, yes. Please, Barcelona. Never, ever score goals like this piece of art. No one likes them. ;)
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Post by: Zantera on May 30, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
That goal is pretty lol, I mean.. I'm so glad the defense of teams in PL aren't that bad.

Also, great to see Swansea in PL. :)
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Post by: CrimsonSunrise on May 31, 2011, 05:33:12 PM
I guess I'm an Arsenal fan..... seeing they are owned by the same owner as (The REAL football) St. Louis Rams... :lol :corn  Go Stan!!!!! :yarr
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Post by: Zantera on August 12, 2011, 06:38:48 PM
Time for a bump in this thread, tomorrow (or well today) Premier League will finally start again.
I don't think I've ever had this big of an urge for some football, even though there were some U21-games during the summer, nothing really comes close to Premier League, and after a turbulent summer with a lot of action on the transfer-market, this season might be closer then ever.
Initially I had plans on making a huge sorta "guide", with what all the teams had bought/sold, and their situations and such, but I haven't had much time in the last few days, and a lot of things are heating up now and will probably not be resolved until after the league-start, so I'll probably just settle with this wall of text.

Some thoughts about transfers and some of the teams:

Manchester United have done interesting purchases in the transfer-market. The loose against Barcelona was tough, but I think we've gotten some really good players, which will improve the squad further.
De Gea and Jones are two brilliant young players, and speaking of young, Ashley Young is a great addition to our midfield.
Chelsea on the other hand haven't done much, though the small things they have done might have a huge impact on how they will perform as a club. André Villas-Boas is a really interesting coach, and Lukaku is a really interesting player, considered by many to be the "new" Drogba, only time will tell.
Arsenal have had a pretty slow summer, with the additions of Gervinho from Lille, and Jenkinson from Charlton, their transfer-season is almost coming too late. Fabregas leaving for Barcelona and Nasri for Manchester City, the additions of Campbell and Oxlade-Chamberlain won't fill those spots right away.
A lot of talks about possible replacements like Mata and Hazard, but I think Wenger should focus on a really good defender for starters, Cahill would be a good addition.
I think Ramsey will do a Wilshere this season, and fill the shoes of Fabregas perfectly.

Liverpool have done some interesting transfers, players like Downing, Adam and Jose Enrique are by no means world class players, but they have performed well in Premier League, and the two former will most likely assist Carroll with many goals.
City are still City, one of the best teams on paper, but when it comes to actually performing... not as strong. They have quality, but their style of football is just as attractive as watching Blackburn Rovers versus Wolves.
Tottenham are still in desperate need of a GOOD striker, the 4 they have are not even good if you would combine them, and Spurs can kiss the CL-spots bye bye unless they bring on a really good striker, I would say that they should go for Llorente, Adebayor or Falcao.
Sunderland however, is the team I'm almost the most eager to follow this season. Being a middle-team, they have done some really good additions to their squad, players like Brown and O'Shea from Man U, then other good players like Larsson from Birmingham and Wickham from Ipswich.

The first fixtures in Premier League: (games in bold are the ones I'm going to follow on TV, I also added how I think the games will end)

Saturday 13th August 2011:

Blackburn Rovers vs Wolverhampton Wanderers   [X]
Fulham vs Aston Villa [X]
Liverpool vs Sunderland [1]
QPR vs Bolton Wanderers [1]   
Wigan Athletic vs Norwich City [X]   
Newcastle United vs Arsenal   [2]

Sunday 14th August 2011:

Stoke vs Chelsea [2]
West Bromwich vs Man United [2]

Monday 15th August 2011:

Man City vs Swansea [1]

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For those who haven't heard, Tottenham - Everton was post-poned due to the riots in London.
I hope you'll all follow PL now. ;)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zydar on August 13, 2011, 12:25:59 AM
Oh yeah, finally PL is starting again! I'm hoping and thinking that Man United will win the league again, with Chelsea as the only real other contender for the title. It will be interesting to see Man City this year, they have a lot of world class players, but I don't think it's their year this season. Liverpool will be a little better than last year, but I think (and hope) that Arsenal will flop this year. It seems as they are losing Fabregas to Barcelona, and probably Nasri too soon. They are really hard to replace, and the transfer window is closing soon.

I've been longing for the Premier League to finally start, our own Swedish league (Allsvenskan) isn't really that interesting :P
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Post by: PuffyPat on August 13, 2011, 12:32:00 AM
I wish US soccer wasn't such a joke. Then maybe I could be a fan, but right now there's not enough going on for me to watch.
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Post by: ariich on August 13, 2011, 03:35:25 AM
Looking forward to the start of the season, even though Arsenal have been selling all our good players. :sadpanda:

If we can get Van Persie to just NOT GET INJURED AGAIN we might stand a chance.
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Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 03:36:11 AM
I wish US soccer wasn't such a joke. Then maybe I could be a fan, but right now there's not enough going on for me to watch.

You can always follow the other leagues.
I agree with what Zydar said, our league here in Sweden (Allsvenskan), the highest football league is about equal (quality-wise) to Championship in England, which is their second league.

Also, I'm gonna go ahead and guess the end-table, now I'm going 100% on gut-feel and not what I hope. :P
I think PL might end something like this:

1. Arsenal (I think they might surprise everyone)
2. Man United (I think they will win Champions League though)
3. Liverpool
4. Chelsea
5. Man City
6. Sunderland
7. Tottenham
8. Everton
9. Stoke
10. Aston Villa
11. Fulham
12. Bolton
13. West Bromwich
14. Queens Park Rangers
15. Swansea
16. Newcastle
17. Wigan
18. Wolverhampton
19. Blackburn
20. Norwich

Just a guess, obviously I hope that Man United will win, but after the last years, I wouldn't mind much if Arsenal got to win something.
I kinda like Wenger, and I think Arsenal might surprise people.
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Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 03:39:22 AM
Looking forward to the start of the season, even though Arsenal have been selling all our good players. :sadpanda:

If we can get Van Persie to just NOT GET INJURED AGAIN we might stand a chance.

Did you see the video I sent you on Facebook? That one is hilarious.  :lol

As for Nasri and Fabregas leaving, I think it might be positive for Arsenal.
Both are star-players no doubt, but Nasri is kinda one of those 'seasonal'-players, really good when he's at is best, but completely invisible the rest of the year.
He's also one of those "typical" Arsenal-players that can't shoot when an opportunity comes, but instead passes the ball to someone else.
Fabregas had a fairly poor season last year, he was injured a lot, and when he did play, it looked like he was just running around and didn't really try much.

For the harmony in the team, this is probably the best thing Arsenal could have done.
Finally they end the Fabregas-story for good, Barcelona have been jerks about it in the media, but it's no surprise that it has affected Arsenal and made it harder for them to focus on other stuff.
As for Nasri, he has been whining for quite a while now, and I don't think he had his heart in Arsenal fully.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Arch Benemy on August 13, 2011, 10:33:54 AM
1. Arsenal
7. Tottenham
ಠ_ಠ

As a Spurs fan this is not exactly how I envisage the end of the season haha. With the team (finally) coming into form pre-season and Kyle Walker back to give us more strength in defence I'm hoping for another good season for Tottenham, although I think Harry needs to pull his finger out and sign at least one striker before the window closes. Lennon is looking particularly sharp and if he's back on form with Bale fully fit after his injury, along with van der Vaart and a new striker then I think we could have one of the best attacking forces in the league. And here's hoping Brad Friedel gets chosen ahead of Gomes!

I'm not sure how Arsenal are going to perform. Gervinho looks good but van Glassie will inevitably get injured at some point and Fabregas and Nasri will be big losses. I'm also not sure that Wilshere is mature enough to have the midfield built around him, which is what Wenger seems to have planned. The Arsenal game is about to start, so lets see what happens!
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Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 11:30:09 AM
As I said, Spurs biggest problem is probably Redknapp and Levy.
For some reason, they can't seem to sell the shitty players (Pav, Defoe, Crouch), and at least bring on one good striker.
I'd say that Spurs probably has the best midfield in the league (or one of them at least), but their attackers aren't good, and I'm not quite sure who will be their first keeper, Gomes is known as one of the bigger soaps in the league, and Friedel is pushing 41 soon.

As for the results today, I'm a bit surprised that QPR got crushed by Bolton, but all I can say is... welcome to PL.
Liverpool - Sunderland was not a bad game, but it was easy to see that some of the players weren't that match-fit. (Suarez for example)

Watching Arsenal now, and I don't really think people should worry too much over the loss of Nasri and Fabregas.
This Arsenal in the first half is Arsenal as we have seen it the last year(s) with or without Nasri/Cesc, their biggest problem seem to be that RVP is the only player inside the penalty-box.
However, Gervinho looks promising, so Arsenal might just win this tough game.
Might also add that Szczesny looks really impressive, considering his age he has been very calm and controlled the defense fairly good.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Arch Benemy on August 13, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
Well all the controversy surrounding Barton as usual. I think he's a fantastic player, shame about all the nonsense. Maybe he should have been sent off along with Gervinho, but then Song should have been sent off earlier for sure, so maybe justice has been done
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Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 12:34:01 PM
Barton is a disgrace for football.
But seriously, I'm really ashamed over the quality of the referee's in PL, which used to be so good, but now I feel like Howard Webb is the only referee who almost always does a good job.
Gervinho fell easily, but he was on his way up without complaining, when Barton started grabbing him, and even gripping his throat for a brief moment, but apparently that is correct behavior on the football-field.
I also noticed that there were loads of yellow cards today, despite neither Pool - Sunderland or Newcastle - Arsenal being 'ugly' games, to me it feels like 90% of the cards were BS.

As for the result, I think a draw was a decent result for Arsenal.
Sure 3 points would have been better, but Newcastle away is a tough game, and I don't think neither Man U, Chelsea or City will just go up there and earn 3 points, the interesting part is how Arsenal will handle Liverpool next weekend, and then Man U away the next weekend after that.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Arch Benemy on August 13, 2011, 01:00:25 PM
Those games will be a challenge for Arsenal. I though Gervinho was your best player today, and now he'll be banhammered for three games. No point in him appealing it either, because although there's no doubt he was provoked, he did raise his hand to Barton's head and that's that. Arsenal will need Walcott and Arshavin to get into gear quickly, because they were pretty anonymous today and neither supplied van Persie with decent balls.

All in all, pretty quiet start to the season, but big games coming up tomorrow and monday, plus Spurs have yet to have their first game, which will obviously make the whole league much more exciting  :biggrin:
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Post by: Zantera on August 13, 2011, 04:58:10 PM
Well, I'm actually a United-fan. ;)
Just watching Arsenal a lot because they play (IMO) the best football in England, though Man U have started playing much more attractive as well.
Plus, my dad is a huge Gunners-fan, so I get to see them a lot because of that as well. :P

As for what you said, I think Gervinho was good today.
The red-card was foolish, but the ref should have sent off Barton as well.
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Post by: Arch Benemy on August 13, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Ah whoops, my bad, I assumed you were a gooner because you speak so highly of them. United are by far my favourite of the so called 'big four' and I agree that their football is amongst the most attractive in the world. I disagree with your comments about Barton though. Yes he is a dickhead, but I think someone would only label him 'a disgrace to football' based on his history. Sure he provoked Gervinho, and some would say he grabbed Gervinho by the neck (although the camera angle was inconclusive during the live broadcast) but an occurance of equal or greater magnitude takes place every week, and the instigators of those are not labelled 'disgraces' based on those moments alone.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 14, 2011, 02:51:56 AM
One thing I've thought about a lot after the game was this...
Gervinho took a dive, but the referee did not stop the game, the ball was still in play.
When Gervinho was on his way up, out of nowhere... Barton runs up and started manhandling him, why wasn't Arsenal given a penalty then?
It sure was violent conduct, and the ball was still in play. :P
In my book that would have been a penalty, but instead the ref let the whole situation go out of hand, and he wasn't really objective about it when he only showed Gervinho the red.

Anyhow, I really look forward to the games today.
Chelsea will be interesting to see with their new coach, and I can't wait to see Man U go into PL. :)
I really hope De Gea get's a good game today, because some people were very critical about him after Community Shield, and I think people suck, because if a player doesn't impress with his first 2 games or so, then he is forever a bad player in their eyes.
Really hoping for a Man U win. :)
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Post by: ariich on August 14, 2011, 03:23:28 AM
Well, that was a lol-worthy start to the season for us. :lol

I agree with Jimmy that Arsenal probably play the nicest football, but I think Man U play the best football, which is a little different. I'm sure they'll have no problems today!
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Post by: Zantera on August 14, 2011, 01:05:56 PM
Feels really nice with 3 points today, though not that good that both Rio and Vidic got injuries.
Man U is the only team out of the big ones that have actually won so far, even though City will most likely win tomorrow, still.. great start. :)
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Post by: Zydar on August 14, 2011, 01:23:24 PM
Yep, great start for Man United! Although I could have lived without the injuries.
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Post by: Zantera on August 14, 2011, 01:33:55 PM
Yeah, it is rumored that Vidic will be gone for 2 weeks and Rio for 6 weeks.
Hopefully shorter, but I have faith in Jones, Smalling and Evans.
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Post by: Zantera on August 16, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
Some Champions League-games tonight, Arsenal won over Udinese with 1-0.
The game was pretty fun, Arsenal did a better first half, Udinese a slightly better second half, overall a tough fight.
I do feel like Arsenal should win this overall, I really can't imagine CL without Arsenal being in it, and if Udinese had faced another team, then they would most likely have advanced, but my bet is on Arsenal, even though they have a tough away-game against Udinese.

Tomorrow there will be more CL-games, I wont see any of the games, but I will follow Dinamo Zagreb - Malmö FF, seeing as I'm a Swede myself.
We haven't really had any teams in CL since.. like forever, so even though I don't really cheer for Malmö FF here normally, it would be fun to see a Swedish team to all the way to the group-stage at least, seeing as it would be a huge moneyboost.
I think the football here in Sweden has been fairly low-quality the last years, so it would mean a lot for us here. ;)

Apart from those notes, I am really excited about this weekend.
Saturday will be a huge football-day, starting early with Arsenal-Liverpool, then Everton-Queens Park Rangers, and then finally Chelsea-West Bromwich.
So Saturday will be kinda football-marathon for me, starting at 13.30 and ending at like 20.30, but Premier League... gotta love it!
Sunday looks fairly dull with not so many games, only Bolton-Man City, but I will most likely see it, wanna see how Aguero handles PL, after his debut yesterday.
On Monday I start studying again with a late night-class between 18-20, but I will rush home to see Man United-Spurs, high hopes for that game. :)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zydar on August 17, 2011, 12:22:58 AM
Yes I'll be seeing Malmö FF tonight, I'm not a MFF fan but I really want a Swedish team to go to CL, it's been many years since we had a team in the group stages.

I'm also looking forward to the games this weekend, TV3 will show some games on Saturday (which I'm really glad about since I don't have the other channels). Arsenal-Liverpool will be the main event for sure, with Chelsea-West Bromwich as another interesting game. And what can you say about Man City... Wow, what a debut by Aguero. Sure it was against a real weak team, but nonetheless. It will be interesting to follow them this season, although I'm a devoted Man United fan.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on August 18, 2011, 09:57:45 AM
People, Barcelona won yesterday La Copa del Rey. 3-2 against Real Madrid. WHAT A MATCH!!! Even Fábregas played and did an (pre) assistance in the third goal. Best team in the whole world.
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Post by: Arch Benemy on August 18, 2011, 12:59:28 PM
Yeah I can't believe I forgot to watch that match! I watched the first leg but didn't realise the second was so soon. I don't have any real interest in La Liga but I always watch El Clasico because they're such entertaining games. Is there anybody in the world who wants Real to win except for their fans? They always strike me as trying to play dirty because they can't touch Barca in terms of footballing skills. And Mourinho is a wanker.

Spurs game under-way vs Hearts. Would have rather been playing Champs League football this season obviously, but after the Everton game was suspended i'm just glad to get the season started! And it's already 2-0 after 12 mins!
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Post by: Nekov on August 18, 2011, 01:35:03 PM
I know a few people that like Real Madrid. I never understand why.. I mean, during the time when they had Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo, that was a great team and was very enjoyable. But now with Mou, they play awfully. Go Barcelona!
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Dynia on August 18, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
Best team in the whole world.
Excuse me? Even FCB fans admit that Real was MUCH better in both of the matches. Barcelona won - but it doesn't mean they are the best, as they were noticeably worse than Real Madrid. The football RM played in those matches was much more offensive and enjoyable than FCB's.
The first match had such an unfair result. The second one - not that much, but RM should have won anyway.

Also, while Real does play dirty from time to time, so does Barcelona. And in addition to that, they dive way too much.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Arch Benemy on August 18, 2011, 02:46:08 PM
First game of the season for Spurs, and a 5-0 victory away from home! The whole team played fantastic football, especially some of the younger players who got a chance with so many of the first team squad injured. On this showing, bring on United!
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Post by: Zantera on August 18, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
I know a few people that like Real Madrid. I never understand why.. I mean, during the time when they had Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo, that was a great team and was very enjoyable. But now with Mou, they play awfully. Go Barcelona!

They don't.
I'll agree that they did play "pig"-football last year, but I take it you haven't seen the two games against Barca now, because during big parts of those games, Real outplayed Barca big time.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 20, 2011, 05:28:18 AM
This week's games, the ones in bold are the ones I'm watching myself, I'll also post what my thoughts on the end-results:

Saturday:

Sunderland v Newcastle (1)   
Arsenal v Liverpool (1)   
Aston Villa v Blackburn (1)
Everton v QPR (X)
Swansea City v Wigan Athletic (X)
Chelsea v WBA (1)

Sunday:

Norwich City v Stoke City (X)
Wolves v Fulham (X)   
Bolton v Manchester City (2)

Monday:

Man United v Tottenham (1)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on August 20, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Best team in the whole world.
Excuse me? Even FCB fans admit that Real was MUCH better in both of the matches. Barcelona won - but it doesn't mean they are the best, as they were noticeably worse than Real Madrid. The football RM played in those matches was much more offensive and enjoyable than FCB's.
The first match had such an unfair result. The second one - not that much, but RM should have won anyway.

Also, while Real does play dirty from time to time, so does Barcelona. And in addition to that, they dive way too much.
WTF! :rollin

I'm sorry, but how could you possibly miss the way Messi and Iniesta played the last match? Even Messi was really fat so I guess that would have helped you to catch him on camera. As heavy as he was, he's still the man who can associate himself perfectly with his team. Real Madrid was in their top game, they played the whole pre-season better than Barcelona did, had the whole team in better shape and still couldn't beat the fat, out of shape Culé players. THERE'S NO WAY REAL MADRID IS PLAYING BETTER. I'll give you this: Madrid is doing a better work at pressing and not letting Barcelona get the ball as much, but even with the out of shape Barcelona's left and right wingers (not taking into account that Piqué didn't play much of the first match due to an injury), Barca still outplayed them. Hey, I'm really surprised that Benzema could finally score a goal (what a terrible player!!!).

Let's wait for La Liga and the Champions to (really) start so we can see the players completely fit.

In other Spanish League news, Falcao García was transferred from Porto to the Atlético de Madrid (40 million Euros). Very mixed feelings about this, considering how bad Atlético is and how good is Falcao... only time will tell.
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Post by: John94 on August 20, 2011, 10:00:25 AM
Liverpool fan here, from their city too. Having watched the game, I must say that we deserved the win. Arsenal had some control but as soon as Frimpong got red-carded and the Liverpool changes were made then the game drastically changed. Excellent play and movement from Suarez and Mereiles. Downing impressed and so did Jose Enrique.
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Post by: Dynia on August 20, 2011, 10:47:51 AM
Best team in the whole world.
Excuse me? Even FCB fans admit that Real was MUCH better in both of the matches. Barcelona won - but it doesn't mean they are the best, as they were noticeably worse than Real Madrid. The football RM played in those matches was much more offensive and enjoyable than FCB's.
The first match had such an unfair result. The second one - not that much, but RM should have won anyway.

Also, while Real does play dirty from time to time, so does Barcelona. And in addition to that, they dive way too much.
WTF! :rollin

I'm sorry, but how could you possibly miss the way Messi and Iniesta played the last match? Even Messi was really fat so I guess that would have helped you to catch him on camera. As heavy as he was, he's still the man who can associate himself perfectly with his team. Real Madrid was in their top game, they played the whole pre-season better than Barcelona did, had the whole team in better shape and still couldn't beat the fat, out of shape Culé players. THERE'S NO WAY REAL MADRID IS PLAYING BETTER. I'll give you this: Madrid is doing a better work at pressing and not letting Barcelona get the ball as much, but even with the out of shape Barcelona's left and right wingers (not taking into account that Piqué didn't play much of the first match due to an injury), Barca still outplayed them. Hey, I'm really surprised that Benzema could finally score a goal (what a terrible player!!!).

Let's wait for La Liga and the Champions to (really) start so we can see the players completely fit.

In other Spanish League news, Falcao García was transferred from Porto to the Atlético de Madrid (40 million Euros). Very mixed feelings about this, considering how bad Atlético is and how good is Falcao... only time will tell.

They were better in both of those matches. Much, MUCH better in the first match, and slightly better in the second. The only thing RM lacks at the moment is someone who's able to execute all the occasions to score a goal. Other than not being able to execute them, they pretty much outplayed Barcelona. They controlled the game for most of the time. They just had lots of bad luck and lacked a good offensive player.



Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 20, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Some interesting results today in PL that I hadn't expected, right now W.Brom are leading 1-0 away against Chelsea, keep it up!  :hat
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Post by: John94 on August 20, 2011, 04:42:31 PM
Doing a bit of plugging; any other British (citizens) signed the Hillsborough petition? Being a Liverpool fan, it was more or less a certainty to do so, but if you haven't then have a look on the e-petition site and it shouldn't be too hard to find. Spread the word to other football fans too but if the signatures aren't British then they will not count.

I'm sure football fans are aware of the Hillsborough disaster and I hope you see how important it is to get justice.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Arch Benemy on August 22, 2011, 03:20:09 PM
Well that game didn't go to plan. Thought Spurs played well in the first half, but United outclassed them in the second. Still, we're only one point behind the gooners eh?
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2011, 03:26:20 PM
Yeah, Man United did a great second half.
The second goal especially was amazing, Man United has really improved their play this season, I feel like they've glanced a bit at Barca's way of playing football, lots of position-changes, fast attacks and a lot of va-va-voom football. (or whatever you wanna call it)

On Wednesday I'll be watching Udinese-Arsenal, but can't wait for the next PL-round this weekend. :)
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zydar on August 23, 2011, 12:30:06 AM
Another great victory by Man United :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 24, 2011, 02:43:05 PM
So Arsenal just beat Udinese, no big surprise there.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on August 24, 2011, 05:19:35 PM
After our shaky start to the season, it was good to see that we were a bit more solid! Still going to lose to United at the weekend, but at least we're in the Champions League, so now we just need to sign a couple of good players who can go straight into the team and we're set!
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: climberboy on August 25, 2011, 05:53:43 AM
i say come on the mighty pilgrims (Plymouth Argyle  ;D)

but i do also follow Man u
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2011, 10:06:22 AM
I'm watching the draw for the Champions League groups now. Let's see which teams Man United will face against.
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Post by: emindead on August 25, 2011, 10:20:18 AM
Group A:

    FC Bayern München
    Villarreal CF
    Manchester City FC
    SSC Napoli

Group B:

    FC Internazionale Milano
    PFC CSKA Moskva
    LOSC Lille Métropole
    Trabzonspor AŞ

Group C:

    Manchester United FC
    SL Benfica
    FC Basel 1893
    FC Oţelul Galaţi

Group D:

    Real Madrid CF
    Olympique Lyonnais
    AFC Ajax
    GNK Dinamo Zagreb

Group E:

    Chelsea FC
    Villarreal CF
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    KRC Genk

Group F:

    Arsenal FC
    Olympique de Marseille
    Olympiacos FC
    Borussia Dortmund

Group G:

    FC Porto
    FC Shakhtar Donetsk
    FC Zenit St Petersburg
    APOEL FC

Group H:

    Barcelona
    AC Milan
    FC BATE Borisov
    FC Viktoria Plzeň
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2011, 10:43:54 AM
United got a pretty boring group. Group H seems to be the highlight with Barca against Milan. It will be interesting to see how Manchester City will be doing in their group, that looks pretty tough too.
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Post by: emindead on August 25, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
A is the death group.

Messi was voted the best player in Europe 2010-2011.

He's D10S.
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Post by: Zantera on August 25, 2011, 11:36:08 AM
United got a pretty boring group. Group H seems to be the highlight with Barca against Milan. It will be interesting to see how Manchester City will be doing in their group, that looks pretty tough too.

Isn't that a good thing? ;)

Can't say much about the draw, right now I'm more excited about this weekend and the game on Sunday.
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Post by: Zydar on August 25, 2011, 11:45:55 AM
United got a pretty boring group. Group H seems to be the highlight with Barca against Milan. It will be interesting to see how Manchester City will be doing in their group, that looks pretty tough too.

Isn't that a good thing? ;)


Yeah sure, if you want smooth sailing out of the group. I'd want at least one other "big" team in there so there could be some exciting games in that group.
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Post by: ariich on August 25, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
I swear United always get the easiest groups, except last year (or was it the year before?) when Arsenal had the easiest group and we still nearly managed to screw it up. :lol

The Arsenal draw is decent though, we should be able to progress really.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: emindead on August 25, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
How is Arsenal supposed to win any game if they already sold their few good players?
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on August 25, 2011, 02:55:27 PM
How is Arsenal supposed to win any game if they already sold their few good players?

I'm pretty sure they have great young players waiting for their chance in the first team. They should try to retain players for longer periods though. I think the only thing Arsenal lacks is experienced players.
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Post by: emindead on August 25, 2011, 03:17:57 PM
How is Arsenal supposed to win any game if they already sold their few good players?

I'm pretty sure they have great young players waiting for their chance in the first team.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Good one. Please, they don't have La Macía.
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Post by: Zantera on August 25, 2011, 03:27:12 PM
How is Arsenal supposed to win any game if they already sold their few good players?

Fabregas - injured 50% of the season, the other half he had about 70% missed passes out of all passes he did, add to that that he was by far the worst captain Arsenal has had in the last 15 years, and the fact that his heart wasn't in the club.

Nasri - one of the most overrated players in later years. Can do a few good games during the fall, but then do 20 shitty games during the spring where he's completely invisible.
Despite the huge praise he got last season, as a playmaker he only managed to get ONE assist, that's right.. ONE lousy assist, Denilson probably even had more then that.
He didn't have his heart in the club as well, money talks as they say.

So yeah, Arsenal got rid of two of their more overrated players, to make room for other players.
The only "weak" link they have left as I see it is Arshavin, who hasn't made that many good games since the 4-4 against Liverpool a few years ago when he scored all, now he mostly misses all of his passes, and don't really do much.

Arsenal with Wilshere and Ramsey as their heart and soul will be much better then Fabregas and Nasri, hands down.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on August 25, 2011, 04:33:50 PM
Plus it'll be kinda nice to have some British people in the middle of the pitch for once!

Yeah Arshavin is a bit of a weak link. He always just runs past everyone and then hits it into the side-netting. :lol
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Post by: Zantera on August 25, 2011, 04:43:43 PM
Yeah that. :)
The thing in this case, is that all the people saying all "this is the end of Arsenal, loosing Nasri and Fabregas is the end" are people with no clue whatsoever.
People that probably play way too much Fifa or Football Manager, I think that most Arsenal-fans that follow them intensely would agree with me on what I said, selling Nasri and Fabregas at this stage was the best thing to do.
Title: Re: The Official Football (REAL Football (Soccer)) Thread [merged]
Post by: ariich on August 25, 2011, 04:51:25 PM
Yeah Fabregas is a shame but he was injured half of last season anyway. Nasri has been looking better and better, but he appears to be greedy and just wants more money, and it's been obvious for weeks that he wants to go, so all my Arsenal-supporting friends have been keen for him to just go so we can get some money in and buy some players that actually want to be here!
Title: Re: The Official Run Around in a Big Field for Hours Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on August 26, 2011, 02:49:11 PM
So, Barcelona wins yet another tournament. And responding to Zanteras and Ariichs comments on him, Fabregas scored the second goal  ;)

I enjoy watching them play so much, but I think it's becoming a little boring now. They don't seem to be able to lose.
Title: Re: The Official Run Around in a Big Field for Hours Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 26, 2011, 04:53:54 PM
They met Porto, a team that has lost their best goalscorer and their fantastic coach that took them so far.

Honestly though, Real Madrid has a much better team on paper then Barcelona has, both in terms of quality and a wider squad.
If Barca get's an injury on Messi or Xavi, I think it will be fairly easy to notice in their gameplay, meanwhile Real has much more cover for that.

Anyhow, I think Real will win the Spanish league and might win CL, it all comes down to if Mourinho does his thing again. ;)
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Post by: Nick on August 26, 2011, 10:35:57 PM
I can't believe no one has changed this back yet. :lol
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Post by: Zantera on August 27, 2011, 01:47:54 AM
This weekend's games in Premier League: (as always, bold ones are the ones I'm seeing myself, I'll add what I think about possible results after each game)

Saturday:

Aston Villa - Wolverhampton (2)
Wigan - Queens Park Rangers (X)
Blackburn - Everton (X)
Chelsea - Norwich City (1)
Swansea - Sunderland (X)
Liverpool - Bolton (1)

Sunday:

Newcastle - Fulham (1)
Tottenham Hotspur - Manchester City (2)
West Bromwich Albion - Stoke City (1)
Manchester United - Arsenal (1)

Comments about this round:

Today I will try to catch Villa - Wolves out of the first games, I am a bit interested in seeing Wolves after their first two victories in two games, which I think is pretty impressive by a team like them, so I am interested in seeing how they play.
Then out of the middle games, Chelsea felt like the obvious choice to see, maybe Mata will be on the bench today, maybe not.
I'll also try to see Liverpool - Bolton afterwards, it has some potential to be a good game.

Tomorrow I'm seeing the two obvious games, Spurs - City has the potential to be something special, but the game I'm really looking forward to is Man U - Gunners.
I have a good feeling that Man U will get a good result, but on the other hand I think people are exaggerating Arsenal's situation, and I would honestly be happy with 1 point, though 3 points would be even better. (obviously) :P



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Post by: Arch Benemy on August 27, 2011, 03:26:18 AM
I'm working all this weekend so I get to watch no football at all :(  Hoping for a Spurs win (obviously) but after the Man U game I'm not so confident. This game is at home but City are looking very very strong, plus we can't play Adebayor against them so we need a good game from VDV and Defoe. Hopefully Modric will play too! And I'm sure Man U will get a result against the Goons, hopefully by more than 3-0 to spare Spurs blushes!
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Post by: ariich on August 27, 2011, 04:11:08 AM
I can't believe no one has changed this back yet. :lol
Dammit Nick.

Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on August 28, 2011, 11:36:11 AM
So Rich, what happened in Manchester?  :lol
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Post by: Zydar on August 28, 2011, 11:38:46 AM
Man United, what can you say... Wow, I'm stunned.
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Post by: climberboy on August 28, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
i think thought that its gotta be said arsenal probably shouldn't have shown up, then united would only have won by default (3-0)
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Post by: emindead on August 28, 2011, 03:31:07 PM
How is Arsenal supposed to win any game if they already sold their few good players?

Fabregas - injured 50% of the season, the other half he had about 70% missed passes out of all passes he did, add to that that he was by far the worst captain Arsenal has had in the last 15 years, and the fact that his heart wasn't in the club.

Nasri - one of the most overrated players in later years. Can do a few good games during the fall, but then do 20 shitty games during the spring where he's completely invisible.
Despite the huge praise he got last season, as a playmaker he only managed to get ONE assist, that's right.. ONE lousy assist, Denilson probably even had more then that.
He didn't have his heart in the club as well, money talks as they say.

So yeah, Arsenal got rid of two of their more overrated players, to make room for other players.
The only "weak" link they have left as I see it is Arshavin, who hasn't made that many good games since the 4-4 against Liverpool a few years ago when he scored all, now he mostly misses all of his passes, and don't really do much.

Arsenal with Wilshere and Ramsey as their heart and soul will be much better then Fabregas and Nasri, hands down.
8-2!!!!!!!!!!

I'd eight two be an Arsenal fan today.


(http://imgur.com/yVphw.png)

Gooner reaction watching the game:
(http://imgur.com/0cFQo.gif)

(http://www.bytelove.com/images/uploads/Bytelove/Generic/haha%20-%20zoom.jpg)
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Post by: Zantera on August 28, 2011, 03:52:23 PM
It's funny seeing as I'm a Man U-fan, but sucks to be Rich today.  :biggrin:
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Post by: emindead on August 28, 2011, 03:59:18 PM
It's funny that although you tried to defend Arsenal in your post... it just made it worse :lol

Rich... sometimes it's just better to take a stroll in the middle of the streets of NYC while Irene is still there.
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Post by: LCArenas on August 28, 2011, 04:05:06 PM
Well holy eight-goaled fuckety fuck, Arsenal. What in the name of Dennis Bergkamp just happened?
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Post by: Zantera on August 28, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Well, to be honest, I don't think people should take too much from this result.
Man U has started this season in a great form, apart from two injuries in their defense, Man U had pretty much their strongest starting-squad, sure some might argue that player X could be switch with player Y, but compare that to Arsenal that has what, 8 injuries or something?
Add to that about 3 or 4 players who were suspended due to red cards.

I'm obviously happy for the big win against another top team, but the situation was in Man U's favor obviously.
If Man U had to play with 10-11 of the "better" players gone against Arsenal's best team, the situation would have switched completely. :P
So yeah, fantastic win, but in the long run it doesn't really say much about Arsenal and how good they are, and I'm just happy with the 3 points really.

On another note, it fuckin' sucks that next weekend means no PL, seeing as it's small break for loads of National Team-games.
I honestly hate that, I don't really care much for international games between countries at all, I just want my PL.  :lol
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Post by: Zydar on August 29, 2011, 01:18:00 AM
On another note, it fuckin' sucks that next weekend means no PL, seeing as it's small break for loads of National Team-games.
I honestly hate that, I don't really care much for international games between countries at all, I just want my PL.  :lol

I agree, I need my PL fix.
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Post by: Arch Benemy on August 29, 2011, 09:29:48 AM
Yeah I hate that there's no decent footballthis weekend. I work every other saturday and one sunday a month, and this past weekend I worked through ALL the games, and with no football on my weekend off that means I won't see anything till the Sunday after! I'm already getting withdrawls.
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Post by: Zantera on September 09, 2011, 01:22:35 AM
Finally there is Premier League tomorrow again!
More excited then I have been in a while, really looking forward to seeing some games, and some new players that arrived late during the transfer-window. :)
This weekend's games: (games in bold are the one's I'm seeing, as usual I'll also add my thoughts on a possible result)

Saturday:

Arsenal - Swansea (1)
Everton - Aston Villa (X)
Man City - Wigan (1)
Stoke - Liverpool (2)
Sunderland Chelsea (X)
Wolverhampton - Tottenham (1)
Bolton - Man United (2)

Sunday:

Norwich - West Bromwich (X)
Fulham - Blackburn (1)

Monday:

Queens Park Rangers - Newcastle (1)

Really excited about seeing both Man U and then Arsenal, seeing as they will prolly have some new players (always fun to watch), overall I think that several of the good teams have tough games, Man U, Chelsea and Pool mostly, so I really hope for 3 points away against Bolton, because I'm confident that City will beat Wigan, and it would suck to loose points to City in the title-race. :/

For those who didn't know, Champions League starts on Tuesday/Wednesday as well, I'm really psyched about that as well, gonna try to catch Dortmund - Arsenal on Tuesday, and Benfica - Man United on Wednesday.  :)

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Post by: Zantera on September 11, 2011, 01:08:51 PM
Not many surprises this weekend, for those who don't know, Champions League starts on Tuesday.  :hat
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Post by: Zydar on September 11, 2011, 01:25:30 PM
Great win by United again. Can't wait for the CL!
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Post by: Arch Benemy on September 11, 2011, 02:54:51 PM
Rooney is just on FIRE. Can't believe how well he's playing right now. The league title is surely going to be between Man Utd and Man City.

Hoping Spurs will start moving up the table now we've gotten our first win. Wolves away was a tricky match with their form right now, and it was a decent performance. Top 4 finish looking pretty unlikely so far though, but at least it's looking equally unlikely for Arsenal  :biggrin:
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Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 05:08:23 AM
Okay, time for another fantastic weekend with Premier League football!
This weekend, particularly Sunday has some really promising games, and I can't wait to get this weekend started!  :D
Here are the games, as usual the ones in bold are the one's I'm going to see myself, and I'll also add my thoughts on possible end results.

Saturday:

Blackburn - Arsenal (2)
Aston Villa - Newcastle (1)
Bolton - Norwich (1)
Everton - Wigan (1)
Swansea - West Bromwich (2)
Wolverhampton - Queens Park Rangers (X)

Sunday:

Tottenham - Liverpool (X)
Fulham - Manchester City (2)
Sunderland - Stoke (X)
Manchester United - Chelsea (1)

Overall, Man U - Chelsea is obviously the highlight of the weekend for me, and I am really excited about it.
I'm fairly sure both Arsenal and Man City are hoping for draws in both Spurs - Pool and Man U - Chelsea, seeing as it would benefit them, but those two top-games can pretty much end either way,  hopefully Man U can get 3 points.  :hat

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Post by: Zydar on September 17, 2011, 05:18:45 AM
I'll be watching the game against Chelsea tomorrow with a few friends at a sports bar. Looking forward to it.
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Post by: Arch Benemy on September 17, 2011, 06:49:14 AM
Hey Zantera, what are the numbers and crosses you put after each fixture? Been bugging me for ages  :lol

Currently watching the Blackburn Arsenal game, though I really want to watch West Ham Millwall, however nobody IN THE WORLD has bought TV rights for that game, presumably because no channel wants to be showing it if something kicks off. That or police request, to stop fans gathering to watch it in pubs and potentially causing trouble. Would be a huge ratings draw though.

Second half kicking off, come on Blackburn!

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Post by: Zydar on September 17, 2011, 07:28:47 AM
1= win for the home team
X = a draw
2 = win for the away team
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Post by: Zantera on September 17, 2011, 07:40:28 AM
What Zydar said. :)

Also, lolArsenal.  :rollin
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Post by: Arch Benemy on September 18, 2011, 09:08:43 AM
Oh wow I enjoyed the Spurs Liverpool game a lot. A great performance, glad to see we're getting started after those first couple of defeats
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Post by: Zantera on September 18, 2011, 09:50:19 AM
So, Man U - Chelsea, 3-0 at half time.
Second half will be interesting!
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Post by: Arch Benemy on September 18, 2011, 11:17:16 AM
What a great day and indeed weekend for football. Thought about feeling sorry for Torres, then I remembered he must be on £150000+ a week and suddenly lost all sympathy
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Post by: Zydar on September 18, 2011, 01:51:34 PM
Another great win for United, and we're at the top of the league table.
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Post by: Zantera on September 18, 2011, 02:04:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZSikdQkugQ

 :rollin

Great result for Man United though, I can't complain.  :)
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Post by: Zantera on September 24, 2011, 02:30:31 AM
Bump, new weekend and a new round of Premier League!
This is the games this weekend, since Arch Benemy asked last time, I'll clarify it once again, the 1, X and 2's behind the games are my thoughts on the possible result, 1 means the home-team will win, 2 means the away-team will win, and X means it will end a draw.
Obviously all speculations since I can't see into the future, but it's fun speculating.  :biggrin:
Also, games in bold are the games I'm going to see on TV myself, so yeah.. fun times.

Saturday:

Manchester City - Everton (1)
Arsenal - Bolton (1)
Chelsea - Swansea (1)
Liverpool - Wolverhampton (1)
Newcastle - Blackburn (1)
West Bromwich - Fulham (X)
Wigan - Tottenham (2)
Stoke - Manchester United (2)

Sunday:

Queens Park Rangers - Aston Villa (X)

Monday:

Norwich - Sunderland (X)

Some interesting games this weekend, for those wondering how I manage to see several games each Saturday, it's simply because there's almost always a game at 12:45, and one at 17.30, apart from the normal ones that starts at 15.00.
Today, Man City starts early and Man United starts late, so I get to see three games, yay!
Mostly excited about Man United tonight ofc, hopefully we can grab another win, and maintain the lead in the top of the table.
Stoke is not an easy team to face away, but I think Man U has good chances!

This week will also have more Champions League football, I know Man United has Basel on Tuesday, great way to spend my birthday!  :heart
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Post by: ariich on September 24, 2011, 04:06:54 AM
We will lose.

Again.
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Post by: Xanthul on September 24, 2011, 04:22:47 AM
Just venting:

I'm a Real Madrid fan and I *hate* Mourinho. He never takes responsibility for the losses, it's always the referee's fault or some other crap. He's damaging the club's image in a way that will take decades to recover. We're the most hated club in Spain and probably Europe right now. If it were up to me I'd get rid of our stupid president, Mourinho and the butchers Pepe and Marcelo. Cristiano Ronaldo also needs to learn to play in a team instead of expecting everyone else to work for him.

Man it sucks when your team is in such a bad situation. Worst of all is that I really don't see any sign that it will get any better in the near future.

Venting over.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 24, 2011, 05:11:43 AM
Jeez, what´s with all the goalies and players getting hurt by collisions? We´ve had two severe cases over here in the last week and now I see what happend to Drogba?! Doesn´t look good.  :omg:
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Post by: Zantera on September 24, 2011, 06:14:17 AM
Just venting:

I'm a Real Madrid fan and I *hate* Mourinho. He never takes responsibility for the losses, it's always the referee's fault or some other crap. He's damaging the club's image in a way that will take decades to recover. We're the most hated club in Spain and probably Europe right now. If it were up to me I'd get rid of our stupid president, Mourinho and the butchers Pepe and Marcelo. Cristiano Ronaldo also needs to learn to play in a team instead of expecting everyone else to work for him.

Man it sucks when your team is in such a bad situation. Worst of all is that I really don't see any sign that it will get any better in the near future.

Venting over.

I can't say that I'm a HUGE Real-supporter, but if I would have to choose between them and FC Uefa, I would choose Real every day.
The only team I hate with a passion is Barcelolna, in comparison, I think teams like Man City and Chelsea who bought their success are much more admirable.
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Post by: ariich on September 24, 2011, 10:04:36 AM
FINALLY A PROPER WIN.

And finally Song did something good. So far his season has involved an own goal and a sending off, so it's nice he was able to score at the right end today.
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Post by: Nekov on September 24, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
Just venting:

I'm a Real Madrid fan and I *hate* Mourinho. He never takes responsibility for the losses, it's always the referee's fault or some other crap. He's damaging the club's image in a way that will take decades to recover. We're the most hated club in Spain and probably Europe right now. If it were up to me I'd get rid of our stupid president, Mourinho and the butchers Pepe and Marcelo. Cristiano Ronaldo also needs to learn to play in a team instead of expecting everyone else to work for him.

Man it sucks when your team is in such a bad situation. Worst of all is that I really don't see any sign that it will get any better in the near future.

Venting over.

I can't say that I'm a HUGE Real-supporter, but if I would have to choose between them and FC Uefa, I would choose Real every day.
The only team I hate with a passion is Barcelolna, in comparison, I think teams like Man City and Chelsea who bought their success are much more admirable.

What?? It's more admirable to BUY your success than earn it after many years of good work??
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Post by: Zantera on September 24, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
Not at all, but the way Barca get their success is horrible.
Surrounding referees, the whole 'untouchable'-status in the media, all of the players acting like complete pussies on the field, one interesting example is Mascherano, a player that was really tough to meet, a player that could do the worst tackles in Premier League, then he joins Barcelona and immediately starts diving all the time.  :lol
I swear, Barca has some form of rule that awards the players that dive, I can only imagine Messi getting a 5000€ bonus if he dives and gets a penalty. :)

In other news, Man United got a point from Stoke today, pretty decent.
I'm more concerned over the fact that Roo and Chicha will be out for a while, not much clear about how long yet, but Berbatov and Owen didn't really shine today, and Berba doesn't really fit into the new Man U playstyle that much. :/
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Post by: Nekov on September 24, 2011, 06:07:18 PM
Not at all, but the way Barca get their success is horrible.
Surrounding referees, the whole 'untouchable'-status in the media, all of the players acting like complete pussies on the field, one interesting example is Mascherano, a player that was really tough to meet, a player that could do the worst tackles in Premier League, then he joins Barcelona and immediately starts diving all the time.  :lol
I swear, Barca has some form of rule that awards the players that dive, I can only imagine Messi getting a 5000€ bonus if he dives and gets a penalty. :)


I really don't know where you are getting all of this (unless you pay attention to what Mou says after every game). I watch practically all Barcelona games and yes, sometimes the referees make mistakes but to say they win because of that? That's plain bullshit. They win because they play great as a team. And Mascherano diving? I need a video of that. I will leave you with this one on how much balls that guy has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvgW7YRc5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvgW7YRc5Q)

He kept playing after that.
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Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 02:29:35 AM
Mascherano diving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnNWd5IstXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Bfv674_fk

Alves diving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCv6sFsGg2o

Busquets diving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhoBrOvs0DE&feature=related

Villa diving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcux_nNLGQE


These are just a few videos at the top of my head, I know plenty of other games where Xavi, Iniesta and Messi has dived as well, but not everything ends up on the tube sadly. :/
Yeah I know that diving isn't only restricted to Barca, but a team with 11 cunts diving all the time, surrounding the referee on every decision, and by that I mean lolValdes who runs all the way from his own goal to the other half of the field, just to point out that he saw the situation better then the ref.  :lol

I'm not trying to take away from Barca that they play nicely (sometimes), but there are just too many negative things about Barca to overlook.
In other examples, I think a team like Tottenham in PL also plays a really nice passing football, and at least they are not acting like jerks on the football field. :P

I think most of us saw Barcelona's game against Chelsea in 2009 and how horrible it was, I think most of us saw the game against Inter where Inter got a red card right away, almost like the referee wanted to make life a little harder for them.
And we also saw the game against Arsenal, where Robin Van Persie got the cheapest red card anyone has ever seen, and I still think this video says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQjCCfI9vUQ

All I can say about Messi is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfROdza2xAU

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Post by: ariich on September 25, 2011, 02:41:35 AM
Jimmy, your hatred of Barca is so unreasonable. :lol Yeah they dive quite a bit, but so do most Spanish teams. But they are also an amazingly talented team, and as Nekov said, they actually earner their success. I have infinitely more respect for them (and other great teams who earned success, like Man Utd) than Chelsea and Man City who are only good because they are backed by billionaires.
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Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 07:00:52 AM
Rich, I find it surprising or almost admirable that you don't hate Barcelona after the Fabregas-story. :P
Their behavior in that whole deal is seriously one of the worst things in recent football-history, I just laugh so hard when people like Xavi say their typical bullshit in the newspaper, like whenever Barcelona doesn't win a football game, and Xavi says that "it was a loss for football".  :facepalm:
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Post by: Nekov on September 25, 2011, 07:38:39 AM
Just saw the videos. I'l agree they dive sometimes, yet the one from Dani Alves is nowhere near a dive, Pepe almost cuts his leg in half. Also the one from Villa, Arbeloa steps on his leg. There is no diving there.
And I think Ariich has a point, maybe you are too used to the English league where the referees are more permissive than other leagues.
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Post by: Zantera on September 25, 2011, 07:47:49 AM
I think the problem with the Dani Alves one is.. yeah, Pepe going into the situation is clumsy, and even though he doesn't hit Alves, that's still tackles that shouldn't be on the field.
However, Alves rolling around for 5 minutes and then having to substitute.. that was just rofl.  :rollin

I get your point on the other though, I'm a huge PL-enthusiast, and I don't say that insane tackles should be allowed, but after all football is a contact-sport, and I don't think people should get cheap freekicks and cheap cards for nothing.
The few times I watch Spanish or Italian football, I just feel like many of the players act like women on the pitch, in England (even though there are people diving there too), some people take a karate kick in the chest, and then suck it up like a man and continue running.  ;)

Things like this should be banned from the football-field:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YomM87GNvs



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Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2011, 05:21:15 AM
Premier League-games this weekend:

Saturday:

Everton - Liverpool
Aston Villa - Wigan
Blackburn - Man City
Man United - Norwich
Sunderland - West Bromwich
Wolverhampton - Newcastle

Sunday:

Bolton - Chelsea
Fulham - Queens Park Rangers
Swansea - Stoke
Tottenham - Arsenal

So, the Liverpool-derby and Spurs-Arsenal should be great games.
I'll try to see Man United as well, though I think the 'main'-game they show on TV is Man City's game, I haven't quite decided which I'll see yet.
Should be a great football weekend at least, make sure to suck the most out of it, seeing as most weekend is pause for international-games, oh suicide inc.   :xbones
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Post by: Lotion on October 01, 2011, 06:15:29 AM
this thread....! one more reason to hang out at DTF all day! Looking forward to the derbies this weekend. Also hoping for Man. Utd to shape up and start winning again. Norwich should be a easy match.
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Post by: Zydar on October 01, 2011, 06:41:04 AM
Pretty fun game so far in the Liverpool derby. One red card and a missed penalty.

Looking forward to United's game against Norwich after this one.
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Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2011, 10:34:46 AM
Man United did not play well today, but still managed to get 3 points, and I'm happy with that. :)
I really felt bad for Norwich, because just by looking at the game, and the amount of chances, a better team then Norwich would have won with those chances. I think I counted at least 3 opportunity's when a Norwich player came alone against United's goal, and add to that the chance with almost open goal.
Yeah, Norwich really didn't use their chances well.  :lol
On the sad part, I feel a bit disappointed that the beautiful attacking-football that Man United displayed the first games this season feels completely washed away.
The passing is nowhere near as good, it felt like Man United had gone back to how they played last season, and I don't think it's reasonable to blame injuries, because they don't have that many of them. (at least not on important players)

Oh well, 3 points.. looking forward to some games tomorrow.  :corn 
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Post by: Zantera on October 15, 2011, 01:47:35 AM
Can't believe I am missing the games today (because I'm tied up with other stuff), especially seeing as it's Liverpool - Man United, a game I had been looking forward to for a long time. :(
Oh well, I will try to catch Arsenal tomorrow probably, to at least see one game this weekend.
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Post by: Zydar on October 15, 2011, 01:49:37 AM
I'm really excited about the Man United game today against Liverpool. Finally we have league games again!
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Post by: Arch Benemy on October 15, 2011, 03:15:22 AM
Oh man have I ever missed football. I'm just going to lounge around and watch as many games as possible
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Post by: emindead on October 15, 2011, 08:52:42 AM
I'm really excited about the Man United game today against Liverpool. Finally we have league games again!
1-1 Great result for Mtd. Utd. Chicharitoooooooooooooooo
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Post by: Zydar on October 15, 2011, 08:57:33 AM
I'm really excited about the Man United game today against Liverpool. Finally we have league games again!
1-1 Great result for Mtd. Utd. Chicharitoooooooooooooooo

Yeah I think they should be pleased with the results. WTF did Giggs do in that freekick? He'll have to take the heat for that one.
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Post by: jimbosile on October 15, 2011, 09:08:13 PM
It feels like a loss to me. Disappointing result. I'm a pool fan btw.
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 03:50:21 AM
United- City today, can't get much better than that. I hope United will step up the game, they have had some bad matches lately!
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 04:27:06 AM
Yeah, really big game today.
As a Man United-fan, I'm very excited, and I think I speak for all Man U-supporters when I say that 3 points today is a must!
It's not the end of the world if it ends a draw, but City has 2 points more, and this would be the golden opportunity to pass them in the table.

I must say though, despite having high hopes for the game, I think the people expecting a game with a lot of goals and opportunity's will be wrong.
Sure we remember the 4-3 game from a few seasons ago, but City under Mancini isn't like that, and I won't be surprised if he plays Barry-De Jong-Toure on the midfield, because a draw for City is very good.

I'm fairly confident the game will end 0-0 with as many opportunities, but I hope that Man U will win with a few goals ofc.  :D
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Post by: Zydar on October 23, 2011, 04:44:01 AM
I'm really excited about the Manchester derby today, I'll be watching it at a sports bar with a few mates from work.

Come on you Reds!
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 05:04:07 AM
Yeah, really big game today.
As a Man United-fan, I'm very excited, and I think I speak for all Man U-supporters when I say that 3 points today is a must!
It's not the end of the world if it ends a draw, but City has 2 points more, and this would be the golden opportunity to pass them in the table.

I must say though, despite having high hopes for the game, I think the people expecting a game with a lot of goals and opportunity's will be wrong.
Sure we remember the 4-3 game from a few seasons ago, but City under Mancini isn't like that, and I won't be surprised if he plays Barry-De Jong-Toure on the midfield, because a draw for City is very good.

I'm fairly confident the game will end 0-0 with as many opportunities, but I hope that Man U will win with a few goals ofc.  :D

Yeah, it's a big game, but probably a boring one! If the match gets an early goal, I'll guess this match going to be a rollercoaster.. If not, I guess 0-0 or 1-0
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Post by: Arch Benemy on October 23, 2011, 06:10:11 AM
Was looking forward to watching the games today, but found out yesterday I had to work, so I'm just going to have to keep checking the bbc website all day for updates :( I'm hoping for a high-scoring  derby game, largely because I have quite a few Man U and City players in my Fantasy League team!

Also hoping Spurs keep on playing well and beat Blackburn by about 5-0! Adebayor hat-trick! And seeing Stoke beat Arsenal is not impossible either, especially will van Persie starting on the bench.
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Post by: kingshmegland on October 23, 2011, 06:12:38 AM
I've got a question for you Britts.  How was the reaction to the owners of the Boston Red Sox here in America buying Liverpool F. C. ?  And how have they done as owners since owning them?
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 07:24:36 AM
Oh, god.. United lacks so much creativity! They really do need a Sneijder/Nasriish player!
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 07:32:20 AM
The thing is though, Man United wouldn't work with Sneijder, because he plays on the same area that Rooney likes to drop down on.
Man United isn't about starting attacks from the center-midfield, they use their strong wingers, in this case Young and Nani.
As for Nasri, I couldn't think of a more overrated player.
He had one successful season in Arsenal, or more like 4-5 months, apart from a few goals, he only managed to do two assists, which is very bad for a playmaker.

One player I would have loved to see in Man U is Özil, but seeing as he went to Real, I think those chances are fairly low.
My biggest wish-player right now would be Hazard, or Götze, but time will tell.

As for the game, hoping that Man U will turn this around!  ;)
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 07:55:01 AM
The thing is though, Man United wouldn't work with Sneijder, because he plays on the same area that Rooney likes to drop down on.
Man United isn't about starting attacks from the center-midfield, they use their strong wingers, in this case Young and Nani.
As for Nasri, I couldn't think of a more overrated player.
He had one successful season in Arsenal, or more like 4-5 months, apart from a few goals, he only managed to do two assists, which is very bad for a playmaker.

One player I would have loved to see in Man U is Özil, but seeing as he went to Real, I think those chances are fairly low.
My biggest wish-player right now would be Hazard, or Götze, but time will tell.

As for the game, hoping that Man U will turn this around!  ;)

Johnny Evans.. Why does he play football? And why does he play for Man Utd? He always screws things up, your always afraid when he is close to the ball. Awful defending at first goal, missed the ball in front of Citys net, and got a red card! Definatly should've started with Phil Jones...
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
Great game by Man United!

Also yeah, Johnny Evans should be sent to another league, so I don't have to see him again.
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 08:26:20 AM
Oh dear, not a good day for United. Three goals in stoppage time! :o
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Post by: Zydar on October 23, 2011, 08:42:22 AM
1-6 and a red card  :censored :censored :censored :getoffmylawn:
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 08:50:12 AM
I'm going to eat a lot of icecream with tons of fudge.. good bye
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 09:00:04 AM
On one hand I think a loss this big might be good, cause Fergie or the players can't smooth it all over with bullshit like "that was offside" or something like that.
The red card was so obvious that not even us, Man U-fans can deny it.

Some of the things that were wrong, as I see it:
Evans starting instead of Jones, the latter has quite possibly been Man United's best defender so far this season, and Evans is Evans.
Not the first time he ruins a game by getting sent off for something idiotic, and not the last time either.
Park starting on the bench, while I'm not suggesting that Nani is a bad player (he is probably better individually), I do think Park always shines in these kind of games, and Man United would have gotten more support on the defensive-side.
Hernandez not starting instead of Welbeck, while I don't think this really affected the outcome, Chicharito has become one of my favorite Man U-players since he joined, and I don't think Welbeck is good enough (YET) against a team like City.
He sure has the future in front of him, but a bit risky.

I do approve of the new players Man U has bought, I think Jones, De Gea and Young are fantastic additions to the team, but they didn't buy anything for the center-midfield, which is IMO the place where they need a new player the most.
I don't want Sneijder or Modric, but a bit of creativity. Like I said earlier, Özil, Hazard or Götze would have been nice, and would give the attacking-side a bit more support.
I don't think Man United has such a thing as a clear defensive midfielder either, I consider Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick fairly allround as players. They are not the best offensive midfielders, and not the best defensive ones, they sorta have qualities on both without being amazing at none.

Lastly, I don't think De Gea should get any blame, seeing as pretty much all the goals came from City outnumbering him.
Ferdinand and Evra sucked so bad today, when Man United needed a leader to emerge the most, these players just crashed and burned.
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 10:11:48 AM
On one hand I think a loss this big might be good, cause Fergie or the players can't smooth it all over with bullshit like "that was offside" or something like that.
The red card was so obvious that not even us, Man U-fans can deny it.

Some of the things that were wrong, as I see it:
Evans starting instead of Jones, the latter has quite possibly been Man United's best defender so far this season, and Evans is Evans.
Not the first time he ruins a game by getting sent off for something idiotic, and not the last time either.
Park starting on the bench, while I'm not suggesting that Nani is a bad player (he is probably better individually), I do think Park always shines in these kind of games, and Man United would have gotten more support on the defensive-side.
Hernandez not starting instead of Welbeck, while I don't think this really affected the outcome, Chicharito has become one of my favorite Man U-players since he joined, and I don't think Welbeck is good enough (YET) against a team like City.
He sure has the future in front of him, but a bit risky.

I do approve of the new players Man U has bought, I think Jones, De Gea and Young are fantastic additions to the team, but they didn't buy anything for the center-midfield, which is IMO the place where they need a new player the most.
I don't want Sneijder or Modric, but a bit of creativity. Like I said earlier, Özil, Hazard or Götze would have been nice, and would give the attacking-side a bit more support.
I don't think Man United has such a thing as a clear defensive midfielder either, I consider Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick fairly allround as players. They are not the best offensive midfielders, and not the best defensive ones, they sorta have qualities on both without being amazing at none.

Lastly, I don't think De Gea should get any blame, seeing as pretty much all the goals came from City outnumbering him.
Ferdinand and Evra sucked so bad today, when Man United needed a leader to emerge the most, these players just crashed and burned, they never learned

Sorry, it sucked.. but I've had that song on my mind all day....

I really think United could've won if they started with Jones, 6-1 sounds like United ever would have a chance against City, but that's not the fact. Well, it seemed like they were going to depend on Cleverly this season, wich didn't work out too good with his injury. Park is my favorite player (just because I'm asian), and I think he would've brought something to the game.  Evans is Evans as you said, and he seems hopeless, just like Gibson.. Seems like he'll never get better.

I struggle to understand what SAF is doing. Last match against Liverpool wasn't any better.

On the bright side, QPR- Chelsea 1-0, bosingwa and Drogba with a red card!
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Post by: rude boy on October 23, 2011, 10:38:41 AM
 :sad:

anyway, there's a long way untill the end of the season, and i don't think city will last for so long
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Post by: Millais on October 23, 2011, 10:42:40 AM
I'm fairly confident the game will end 0-0 with as many opportunities,

ahaha!  ;)

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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
I'm fairly confident the game will end 0-0 with as many opportunities,

ahaha!  ;)
:lol

And wtf at Chelsea today? 2 red cards and 7 yellows!
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Post by: Zantera on October 23, 2011, 11:00:48 AM
At least Chelsea lost as well.
Watched the game, and I must say... Queens Park fuckin' sucks.
Seriously, they were 2 more players for the whole second half, but they just barely managed to hold the lead.
Sure, Chelsea is a great team, but QPR really should sell some of the crap players and try to get players that are more used to PL.

I think Arsenal fans are pretty happy right now, they have like 4 or 5 (?) victories in a row, and before this weekend I felt confident that Chelsea would beat them next weekend, but now I must say that Arsenal has a nice opportunity.
Besides, pretty much all other top-teams (except City and Spurs) lost points this weekend, and Gervinho did one goal and two assists today, nice day for all the gunners.
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
Yeah things are definitely starting to settle down for us now, which is good. Today was a strong victory!
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Post by: Lotion on October 23, 2011, 11:46:08 AM
Yeah things are definitely starting to settle down for us now, which is good. Today was a strong victory!
Who's your team?
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 12:04:20 PM
Arsenal.
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Post by: John94 on October 23, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
Can't believe Liverpool didn't win. Especially with the amount of chances Suarez alone had. I also believe the substitutions were made too late and Bellamy shouldn't have gone off. As much as I love, respect and admire Dalglish, I would really want him to start making more changes, make them earlier to save games and adopt a style of ruthless management where you are took off if you are actually poor and not kept on.
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Post by: emindead on October 23, 2011, 04:53:45 PM
6-1!!! LOL!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/TbNhE.jpg)
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2011, 04:56:59 PM
:lol
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Post by: emindead on October 23, 2011, 05:02:35 PM
This league has brought really nice surprises (8-2) and also this:

(http://i.imgur.com/Dsjek.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Qs51T.jpg)
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Post by: Zantera on October 24, 2011, 02:16:27 AM
As the season has looked so far, I wouldn't be surprised if Arsenal won PL.
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Post by: Nekov on October 24, 2011, 12:35:18 PM
Three Way Football

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There's an interesting article in one of the major Danish newspapers today (unfortunately not online yet, so no link) about the concept of three-way football, i.e. a match with three goals and three teams on a six-sided pitch, and how Athletic are leading the way in organizing tournaments in this "new" sport.

According to the article, the concept was thought up by a Danish artist, Asger Jorn (1914-73) as a challenge to the ordinary one-axis, two-sided way of thinking. He never wrote rules for the sport, but thought it up as a philosophical experiment.

And for some reason, somebody's decided to pick this up ahead of the 100-year anniversary of his birth in three years' time, and for some other unclear reason, Athletic become involved a few years ago.

The article quotes Galder Reguera, "event manager" at Athletic, who amongst a bunch of things says: "For us it looked like a good chance to examine how football, art, philosophy and society are interconnected. We are very interested in that sort of thing at Athletic Bilbao. For us, sport isn't just something isolated, it's connected to the culture, philosophy and society around us. In that way we're a different club, but we demand more of ourselves and our surroundings demand more than just winning football matches."

Anyway, in practical terms, according to the article there will be a tournament featuring 82 teams from the Basque Country "in a few months' time", and in the spring, hopefully a bigger tournament featuring other La Liga teams. And then in 2014, a tournament in Silkeborg, which hosts the Asger Jorn Museum, where it's planned to invite major teams from Spain and Denmark (if we can be said to have any..).

Interesting..


http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=261065 (http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=261065)

I found a website that describes how this works but it's in spanish. I think this would be really fun to play with friends.
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Post by: jimbosile on October 25, 2011, 04:39:19 AM
I've got a question for you Britts.  How was the reaction to the owners of the Boston Red Sox here in America buying Liverpool F. C. ?  And how have they done as owners since owning them?

I am not Brittish but I can say as a Liverpool fan, John Henry and NESV has been absolutely excellent as owner of the club. One of their first pieces of business was gettinf rid of Uncle Woy as manager and hiring the greatest player to ever pull on the red shirt, Kenny Dalglish as manager. On top of this, they have completely backed him and Comolli on every decision in the transfer front and have endorsed a youth policy at the club. Lets hope LFC can go down the same road as the red sox to be at the top where they belong.
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Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2011, 04:42:12 AM
This weekend has a lot of great games, in particular the two early ones today. (though the moron that came up with the idea to have them on the same time should be killed, seeing as there's only one game tomorrow, and they could have put Man United there instead)
Oh well, the games:

Everton vs Man United
Chelsea vs Arsenal
Man City vs Wolverhampton
Norwich vs Blackburn
Sunderland vs Aston Villa
Swansea vs Bolton
Wigan vs Fulham
West Bromwich vs Liverpool

Tomorrow:
Tottenham vs Queens Park Rangers

Monday:
Stoke vs Newcastle

Should be a good weekend.
I feel a bit sad that I'm gonna miss Man United, I think that Everton away will be a good game, but Chelsea v Arsenal is just too promising to not watch, and as I said, there are never two early Saturday games ever, but now there is, which sucks. :/
Then I haven't decided if I'm gonna see Sunderland v Aston Villa or Man City v Wolves, the latter is shown on a common tv-channel here, which probably means more commercial-breaks and annoying things, but again it has a top-team, so will probably see it.
Chelsea - Arsenal ofc, the biggest highlight of the weekend, and I really hope that Arsenal will win it, because I think Chelsea has started out great, and I'm sorta afraid that they will pass Man United in the table if they keep it up, Arsenal however could actually use a win, they haven't had much to cheer for (in terms of beating very good teams) lately, so I think that a win against Chelsea would boost their morale.
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Post by: ariich on October 29, 2011, 04:50:02 AM
Yeah we've been getting back on our feet but we still can't beat any good teams, so a win would be fantastic. I'm not sure we'll get it though...
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Post by: Zydar on October 29, 2011, 05:03:16 AM
Chelsea vs Arsenal should be a great game.
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Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2011, 07:37:14 AM
Wow, just wow.
Chelsea - Arsenal was the best game I've seen in a long long long time, that game just had everything!
And the best part, Arsenal won!  :D

Oh man, the adrenaline was seriously pumping through me during the whole game, I couldn't sit down at all, goal here, goal there, opportunities everywhere!
My dad is like the happiest Gunner-fan today. :)
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Post by: Zydar on October 29, 2011, 08:04:40 AM
Man what a crazy game that was.

I'm watching the City game now, I guess there will be a lot of goals here too.
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Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2011, 08:50:10 AM
Oh yeah, Man United won as well... great win. :)
City-game is kinda dull, first half at least, but hopefully Man City will loose a point, not that I think so, but Wolves have at least made it through the first 45 mins.
Besides, I don't care that City dropping points will mean that I won't win money this week, if they do drop points, Man U will close in. ;)
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Post by: ariich on October 29, 2011, 09:51:06 AM
Not surprising that City managed to get a few goals, but I was very happy with the Arsenal win! :D

I'll be watching Match of the Day tonight so will post my thoughts on the various matches once I've seen the highlights.
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Post by: njdtfan on October 29, 2011, 02:52:23 PM
As a Chelsea fan, this is gonna be a long friggin year. WTF?????????????
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Post by: ariich on October 29, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
It's been a strange couple of matches for you, but I'm sure you'll bounce back soon enough.
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Post by: njdtfan on October 29, 2011, 03:41:49 PM
I hope so. They just dont look good.
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Post by: John94 on October 29, 2011, 03:58:08 PM
Well, you won't against Liverpool! I'm feeling confident for both the League and the Cup game vrs. Chelsea.
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Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2011, 03:59:43 PM
I think Chelsea needs more players like Mata to be honest, he has really impressed me.
Gotta love short, technical playmakers, players like Hazard, Özil, Mata, Silva, Ramsey, Wilshere... not necessarily the same types on all of them, but I'm just so fascinated by midfielders who add so much in the offensive.

 :hefdaddy
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Post by: ariich on October 29, 2011, 04:57:26 PM
Yeah I am loving Ramsey for us this season, so great to have him back from injury. If we can get Wilshere back from injury as well and actually have them both playing at the same time, we'll be such a strong midfield force!

Mata is really good, his goal today was fantastic, and he gave us problems in general. Chelsea seem to be suffering from the same problems as Arsenal - strong attack and laughable defence.
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Post by: njdtfan on October 29, 2011, 05:37:16 PM
and just another day at the office for Messi.
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Post by: emindead on November 02, 2011, 08:07:18 AM
and just another day at the office for Messi.
Yesterday he conquered his #202 goal. What a beast!
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 02, 2011, 08:15:10 AM
Not a big soccer fan, but I did catch Barca's and Chelsea's games last night. They were fun to watch.
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Post by: emindead on November 02, 2011, 08:19:03 AM
The 2009 matches?
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Post by: Dimitrius on November 02, 2011, 08:21:05 AM
The 2009 matches?
No, yesterday's UEFA matches. Barca/Plzen and Chelsea/Genk.
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Post by: emindead on November 02, 2011, 08:25:25 AM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, right. hehe
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Post by: Zantera on November 05, 2011, 03:06:36 AM
Another day of football today, some great games, and I'm fairly excited about seeing some of them! :)
The games are: (as I used to do it earlier, I'll post the ones I'm gonna watch in bold, and my thought on a possible result, 1 for home win, X for draw and 2 for away win) (starting times are local, aka how they are in England)

Today:

12.45 - Newcastle v Everton (X)
15.00 - Arsenal v West Bromwich (1)
15.00 - Aston Villa v Norwich (1)
15.00 - Blackburn v Chelsea (2)
15.00 - Liverpool v Swansea (1)
15.00 - Manchester United v Sunderland (1)
17.30 - Queens Park Rangers v Manchester City (2)

Sunday:

13.30 - Wolverhampton v Wigan (1)
15.00 - Bolton v Stoke (X)
16.00 - Fulham v Tottenham (2)

Haven't decided yet if I'm seeing Man U or Arsenal at 15, normally I'd say Man U, but seeing as my dad is a Gunners-fan and we watch the same TV, we normally flip coin or something.  :biggrin:
Pretty much all of the top teams are playing today, which might be considered both good and bad, but Tottenham are playing tomorrow at least, so that's one game I don't want to miss.
All in all, I'm hoping that Chelsea and Man City will loose points in their away games, though I honestly don't expect them to.
Oh well, also hoping to win a lot of money on the games.  ;)
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Post by: ariich on November 05, 2011, 04:09:39 AM
In theory, all the top 6 should be winning their games this weekend, although obviously someone could well slip up (most likely Arsenal, knowing our luck).
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Post by: Zantera on November 05, 2011, 05:33:37 AM
Haha, Arsenal did loose at home against West Bromwich last year, but I don't think they will again. :P
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Post by: ariich on November 05, 2011, 05:24:47 PM
Good result for us today, we've finally found some form! :D

As expected most of the top teams did fine. Liverpool threw away a couple of points, but the rest all won.
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Post by: Zantera on November 05, 2011, 05:27:46 PM
Yeah, I ended up seeing Arsenal's game, and it was by far the best (at least from what I grabbed from the highlights of the others)
Liverpool did indeed screw up, too bad City didn't loose some points as well.

Gonna enjoy some more football tomorrow, then there's a 2 week break... fml.
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Post by: ariich on November 05, 2011, 05:31:44 PM
Yeah City were a bit lucky, and so were Chelsea! Nearly scored an own goal towards the end.
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Post by: Zantera on November 19, 2011, 04:43:33 AM
Bump, finally it's time for football again!
Really psyched about the games this weekend, these are the games: (games in bold are the ones I'm gonna watch myself, the result afterwards is my prediction of the outcome, 1 for home win, X for draw and 2 for away win etc)

Today:
[12.45] Norwich - Arsenal (2)
[15.00] Manchester City - Newcastle (1)
[15.00] Everton - Wolverhampton (1)
[15.00] Stoke - Queens Park Rangers (1)
[15.00] Sunderland - Fulham (X)
[15.00] West Bromwich - Bolton (X)
[15.00] Wigan - Blackburn (X)
[17.30] Swansea City - Manchester United (2)

Tomorrow:
[16.00] Chelsea - Liverpool (X)

Monday:
[20.00] Tottenham - Aston Villa (1)

Some really good games as you can see, today I will be seeing all the top-teams (Arsenal, City and United), really hoping that City will loose points, even though I think they are stronger at home, they do have Champions League next week, and maybe that will be their main-focus, Newcastle is a good team after all.
Hoping for 3 points for Man United as well, I don't think they have impressed much lately, so a comforting 3 points would be nice, hopefully 2-0 or 3-0, so that they can get some more confidence.
Chelsea - Liverpool is quite clear the big game this weekend, and I think the game can be something special.

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Post by: Zydar on November 19, 2011, 05:22:02 AM
United should take three points today, Swansea shouldn't be a big threat. Man City-Newcastle will be a great game to watch.
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Post by: Zantera on November 20, 2011, 05:06:27 AM
Awesome that I managed to win money yesterday, on what we have here in Sweden called "Stryktipset", which is pretty much 13 games, and you pick the outcomes etc, have to have 10 correct ones to win money, I had 12 out of 13 (lousy Birmingham ruined it for me!), and I managed to win 2509 sek, which is like ~274 euros, great weekend!  :D

Anyhow, really excited about the game today, both teams have to go for a win, and that makes it very interesting.
I think I might be rooting a bit for Liverpool (feels wrong as a Man U-fan), but as I see it, Chelsea feels like a better team and a bigger opponent, so if they loose some points today, it's cool. (A draw would be nice too)

On another note, next weekend there's another big game, Liverpool vs Man City, so really hoping that Liverpool will have a great day then, so that Man U can gain some on them. (Man U is playing Newcastle at home)

Finally, there's Champions League this week again, Arsenal - Dortmund looks like one of the most promising games, but Napoli - Man City will be very interesting, and I'm hoping that Man United will win over Basel.
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Post by: Zydar on November 20, 2011, 05:18:59 AM
Hey, congratulations! I only had 8 correct ones, no money here.

Looking forward to the Liverpool-Chelsea game today too. Should be a great one!
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Post by: Zantera on November 26, 2011, 06:28:27 AM
Time for another weekend with PL-football, here are the games:

Today:
[12.45] Stoke vs Blackburn
[15.00] Bolton vs Everton
[15.00] Chelsea vs Wolverhampton
[15.00] Manchester United vs Newcastle
[15.00] Norwich vs Queens Park Rangers
[15.00] Sunderland vs Wigan
[15.00] West Bromwich vs Tottenham
[17.30] Arsenal vs Fulham

Tomorrow:
[13.30] Swansea vs Aston Villa
[16.00] Liverpool vs Manchester City

Some interesting games, Man United have a fairly good form in Premier League with some wins in a row, but all in all they haven't reached the "top team"-form yet, and Newcastle is the big surprise this year, so while I'm hoping for a Man U-win, I think Newcastle will put up a good fight, and if Man U doesn't focus enough, we might loose points. :/ (hopefully not!)
Chelsea has an important game against Wolves, AVB is one of the more questioned managers after a shaky start, the worst for them since Abramovich took over, and he isn't known for having patience with managers, so a win is very important.
I must say, personally I really like AVB and his training-style, wanting to play attractive football, but I think the problem is that Chelsea aren't good enough for that kind of football, they only have Mata that (IMO) is good enough for that quicker paced passing game, the rest of the players aren't bad ofc, but I feel like they are more suited for "boring" football.  :lol

Some London-teams are in focus, Tottenham are playing against W.Bromwich, a tough away game, but their form has been rather brilliant since the shaky start, and I'll be surprised if Tottenham doesn't win with a few goals margin.
Arsenal are playing Fulham, and from the rumors I've heard, Wenger might be resting some players for the game, I've heard that Diaby might start instead of Ramsey, Arshavin instead of Walcott and Park or Chamakh instead of Van Persie, I can't promise anything, but it will be interesting to see.
Apart from Man City, Tottenham and Arsenal probably has the best forms, so I do think Man United, Chelsea and Pool (three other candidates for the CL-spots) need to step up a bit.
Pool - City tomorrow promises to be the BIG game of this weekend, I'll be rooting for Liverpool so hard that hopefully they will snatch 3 points, I think it's important for the league that City looses a game so that the other teams get more energy.

Didn't comment on the CL-games during the week, but it's interesting how Man City are pretty much 90% out of the tournament, Man United and Chelsea are almost out as well.
I think Man United might go further, but City and Chelsea are pretty much bye bye.
The interesting part here is that the highly criticized Arsenal was the first English team to qualify for the next round, and maybe they'll be the only team as well, the others have some tough games and scenarios ahead.
Arsenal also had the hardest group (after Man City) with teams like Dortmund and Marseille being very tricky, but they managed to do really well.
My guess before Cl started was that Real Madrid would win it, and I have no reason to change my theory, they have (IMO) the best squad by far, the most variety and the best players, and they are playing fantastic football at the moment.
Barcelona looks much weaker, they barely won over old Milan, the fact that Xavi had to dive for a penalty says a bit about how much trouble they had.
Still, Barcelona will probably make it to the last 4 (or 8), if not by themselves, then with some help from the referees. ;)
Real Madrid - Bayern Münich would probably be the best final IMO (as a neutral fan).

Last, Van Persie is close to beating Alan Shearer's goal record of scoring 36 goals during a "calendar-year" (from January - December), RVP has 31 goals right now, Shearer's record is at 36, so that means 5 goals in (6-7?) games, and I think he'll beat it.
He's in a sick form.  :angel:
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Post by: Progmetty on November 26, 2011, 09:36:37 AM
I so wanna keep up with European soccer again. I've been focused only on the Egyptian one.
My problem here in the U.S is that I dunno anyone to watch the games with which I can manage but the point of my soccer friends back home was to remind me of when to turn the TV on to watch :lol
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Post by: Arch Benemy on November 26, 2011, 12:35:55 PM
Another win for Spurs, once City get disqualified for being too rich the title will be ours! Mwahhahaha
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Post by: Zantera on November 26, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
Interesting that Man U and Arsenal lost points.
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Post by: cyberdrummer on November 27, 2011, 06:44:58 AM
Tragic news about Gary Speed. True legend of the game.
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Post by: Zantera on December 03, 2011, 02:02:48 AM
Yeah, sad news about Gary Speed indeed. :(
I remember him quite well, I've been watching football for about 10-11 years now, and I remember him playing for Newcastle like it was yesterday, even his last seasons in Bolton and Sheffield United.
R.I.P to a great football player, one of the Premier League-legends!

To something fun instead, today starts the 14th round of Premier League, and I am excited!
The games that will be played this weekend are:

Saturday:

[12:45] Newcastle - Chelsea
[15:00] Blackburn - Swansea
[15:00] Man City - Norwich
[15:00] Queens Park Rangers - West Bromwich
[15:00] Tottenham - Bolton
[15:00] Wigan - Arsenal
[17:30] Aston Villa - Man United

Sunday:

[15:00] Everton - Stoke
[16:00] Wolverhampton - Sunderland

Monday:

[20:00] Fulham - Liverpool

Some interesting games, particularly Newcastle against Chelsea, a game where I hold Newcastle as favorites (they have the home advantage as well), but Chelsea are under pressure and really HAVE to win, so the outcome could go either way.
Chelsea are so vulnerable in their defense, and Newcastle managed to get a point away against Man United last weekend, so taking points of Chelsea shouldn't be impossible.
Out of the 15:00-games I will personally watch Wigan - Arsenal, interested to see if Van Persie can continue to score goals, Man City - Norwich is the "main"-game on TV here today, but I feel like Norwich has very little chance of shaking them, so I'd rather see a more "open" game. Wigan are fighting for their lives, and did win against Sunderland last weekend, which led to Sunderland sacking Steve Bruce.

I will probably miss the Sunday-games since I'm going to a concert, and the Monday-game since I have a huge math-test around that time, but there will also be Champions League next week.
There are a couple of groups where it's already clear, but I would recommend following the English-teams, Chelsea - Valencia has the potential to be one of the classic CL-games, for those who haven't followed closely, Chelsea and Valencia are at the same points, this is the last game and whoever get's the result goes through to the next round. If I'm not mistaken, 0-0 will take Chelsea through, but 1-1 or 2-2 (a draw with goals scored) will tip the favor to Valencia, since they have better results overall then.
Man City - Bayern and Villareal - Napoli will be interesting, Man City are almost out of CL already, not what they had hoped for after spending ~8 billion on the club, money isn't everything, but IF they shall have the smallest chance of going through, Villareal has to beat Napoli, and City has to beat Bayern, problem is that Bayern is the best team in the group (so it's hard for City to beat them), and Villareal has 0 points so far, so Napoli should beat them.
And last, Basel - Man United can be interesting as well, if Basel wins they go through, if Man U gets a draw or wins, they go through.
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Post by: Arch Benemy on December 03, 2011, 04:21:54 AM
Another win for Spurs today, and that'll take us up to 2nd, if only for a few hours. Here's hoping Villa can get a result against Man U!
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Post by: Zantera on December 03, 2011, 04:57:14 AM
I must admit, I think it's kinda surprising how good Spurs have been in PL vs how shitty they have been in Europa League.
Though, I have no idea what kind of team they have used, but their group looks fairly easy, and it's still a tournament that Spurs could win. :P
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Post by: Arch Benemy on December 03, 2011, 08:03:45 AM
They've definitely been playin the 'b' team in Europe, mostly kids and non regular starters. That's part of the reason why the first team has been performing so well in the league, because the first 11 are always well rested.
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Post by: Lotion on December 04, 2011, 09:40:56 AM
Man. City- Man. Utd in the third round of the FA Cup, this is going to be interesting!
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Post by: emindead on December 07, 2011, 04:24:27 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MANCHESTER UNITED ELIMINATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by: Zantera on December 10, 2011, 11:50:53 AM
Forgot to post about the games today, but cool win for Arsenal, and Man United got a nice victory.

Biggest games this weekend is El Clasico (Real Madrid - Barcelona) tonight and Chelsea - Man City on Monday, I probably won't be able to see any of them, but I'll be rooting for Real and Chelsea.
I honestly can't stand it if the cheating bastards of FC Uefa wins tonight, Real MUST win.. not just for themselves, but for football in general, and to prove that there is a god after all. That mankind isn't doomed, that there is still hope and light for us.
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Post by: Zantera on December 16, 2011, 05:30:30 AM
Anyone following the CL and Europa League-draw?

Out of the PL-interest I have, Arsenal got a pretty good draw against Milan. I think we could see two interesting games, but I'd hold Arsenal as favorites, and I think they could win both games.
Chelsea got a much harder draw against Napoli who pushed Man City out, and it's hard for me to guess about it, on one hand I would be sad if another English team left so early in CL, cause the league itself would suffer a bit, but I've really been impressed by Napoli, and they really have my respect.
Otherwise most games looks fairly obvious, Barcelona and Real will probably advance, Lyon and the other "normal" teams.

Europa League... oh hell. Porto - Man City, then Ajax - Man United, really promising draws. On one hand, lame that they are so early in the tournament, but both those games could have been CL quarter-finals or something.
Stoke will face Valencia, another interesting game.
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Post by: Zydar on December 16, 2011, 06:05:15 AM
Some interesting draws, both the CL and EL ones. United will face Ajax, that should be an interesting game.
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Post by: jag66 on December 16, 2011, 06:25:00 AM
It'll be interesting to see what sort of teams the manchesters will put out for the Europa League. They could see it as a very good chance of winning some silverwear and put strong teams out.
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Post by: Ruba on December 17, 2011, 02:03:32 AM
Tragic news about Gary Speed. True legend of the game.

I am very late, but R.I.P. Gary Speed.
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Post by: Zantera on December 17, 2011, 02:24:07 AM
Okay, time for another round in Premier League.
Interestingly enough, this weekend most of the "good" games will be played tomorrow, but as always there are games today as well.
This is the last week I will be able to post this for now, (going away over Christmas and New Years), and as some of you know, Premier League goes into hard-mode at this time of the year, 2-3 games a week for the coming 2 weeks, so there are a lot of points on stake.
This weekend's games:

Today:

[15:00] Blackburn vs West Bromwich
[15:00] Everton vs Norwich
[15:00] Fulham vs Bolton
[15:00] Newcastle vs Swansea
[15:00] Wolverhampton vs Stoke
[17:30] Wigan vs Chelsea

Tomorrow:

[12:00] Queens Park Rangers vs Man United
[14:05] Aston Villa vs Liverpool
[15:00] Tottenham vs Sunderland
[16:10] Man City vs Arsenal

Games in bold are the ones I'm going to see myself, the big game of the weekend is without doubt Manchester City - Arsenal tomorrow.
City has recently been pushed out of Champions League and lost their first game in the PL last Monday against Chelsea, and if there is any team that can beat City right now, Arsenal is one of them.
Very interesting to see, I'm hoping that Arsenal can do to City - what they did to Chelsea, a 5-3 win away, would be great for the table.  :D
As for Man United, some troubles regarding the midfield... Fletcher has retired from football for now, for those of you who haven't heard the news, Fletcher has been battling a disease for a while now, he has a bowel disease that stopped him from playing a lot last season. Add to that Anderson, Cleverley and Gibson who are all injured, and Man United does not have many options left, most likely Carrick-Giggs or Carrick-Jones. Maybe (if things won't get better) we get to see Ravel Morrison or Paul Pogba on the bench for United during the Holiday-games, if Fergie feels like giving them a chance. :)

On another note, Barcelona is playing Santos in the Club World Cup-final on Sunday, another interesting game.
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Post by: Nekov on December 18, 2011, 04:06:40 AM
Anyone else watching Barcelona - Santos? I was hoping for a little bit more resistance from Santos to be honest.
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Post by: Zantera on December 18, 2011, 06:03:32 AM
Nah I'm watching QPR - Man United right now, but not really surprised that Barcelona won so easily.
Sadly I feel like Neymar will be one of the next Brazilians that starts off promising but ends up as a failure, like Robinho or Ronaldinho (who had some great years in Barcelona, but fell to the bottom quickly).

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Post by: Nekov on December 18, 2011, 06:14:58 AM
I hope not. The guy is a great player but the trend with brazilian stars lately is that they glow for a cople of years and then fall into oblivion.
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Post by: Zantera on December 18, 2011, 07:01:52 AM
Yeah, I mean.. I hope that he will become a good player, but I feel like people are hyping him a lot for no reason.
There's a big difference in playing well in the Brazilian league, and playing well in one of the major leagues, the big question is what team will buy him, Barcelona doesn't really have the economy for it, Real could buy him, but they have Benzema and Higuain who are both doing well, while the Spanish league would probably "suit" him best, I think that teams like City or Chelsea could offer him more playtime, so it's tricky.

On another note, good and solid win for Man United, now I am going to watch a bit of Villa - Liverpool while I study some, and then it is time for the big game - City vs Arsenal.  :D
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Post by: Nekov on December 18, 2011, 07:31:58 AM
I'll probably catch the arsenal one while having lunch.
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Post by: emindead on December 18, 2011, 08:24:52 AM
I honestly can't stand it if the cheating bastards of FC Uefa wins tonight, Real MUST win.. not just for themselves, but for football in general, and to prove that there is a god after all. That mankind isn't doomed, that there is still hope and light for us.
Just embrace the best team in history already! Or not, every time you make a negative comment about Barcelona I just smile because Barça has won yet another title. 13 titles in three years? That's a new record. But keep crying and telling yourself that Barcelona are cheaters, I'll just smile and learn to pretend to care while I remember enjoying every single celebration winning those cups brought to me.

Oh, and let's add this remark Neymar said after today's game that crowned, again, Barcelona as World-Wide Champion (4-0 btw): "Today we learned how to play football."

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Post by: Zantera on December 18, 2011, 11:24:30 AM
I don't really think it's worth discussing it with a one-eyed Barcelona-supporter to be honest, I haven't come across a single Barcelona-supporter that can be objective and say "hey, even though Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Dani Alves are good players, they still dive a lot, and it isn't good behavior", for some reason most Barcelona fans defend their players like crazy, it's ok to dive and whine to the referee if you are a good player apparently.
You could tell me that Nani is a diver, and that Ronaldo was the same in Man U, and I would completely agree with you.
I don't get why we should overlook all the bad things because of other things, and are you really surprised that Barcelona won the Club World Cup? That tournament is such a joke, it consists of 6 crap teams and one that is at least 5 levels above, and that is always the team from Europe. If it had been Stoke, Malaga or Palermo, even they would have won the whole tournament.

As for the whole "today we learned how to play football", I know that many people hold Barcelona's playingstyle as something good, while I personally don't care for all the sideways-passing.
Anyhow, what does bother me is Xavi and all his talk about "A win/A loss for football". Don't get me wrong, Xavi is a great player, but as soon as Barcelona looses a game, Xavi says that the result is a "loss for football", and when Barcelona wins, it's a "win for football", I don't think I've ever come across a player as arrogant as him. :P

While Barcelona is a great team, I wouldn't say that they are the best team. Why? Because I think they are too dependent on Messi. Seeing as Messi is practically NEVER injured, Barcelona doesn't have to face the same problems as other teams has, Ronaldo has some injuries every now and then which makes it worse for Real, Rooney has been injured on and off for Man U, Van Persie in Arsenal is another example, and I could do examples all day long.
The fact that Messi is involved in 60-70% of their goals says something, and I believe that if he was injured, they wouldn't be anywhere near AS good.
While other teams may not reach the quality of Barcelona with all their players healthy, the real truth is that the best teams very rarely have all players healthy, and it's normal for many teams to have their best players away every now and then.
I also find it funny how Messi is never injured, yet Barca claims that everyone is out to "get him". Back in Roy Keane's days, it was just a kick in the knee and the career was ruined, apparently nobody in Real (Pepe or the other "butchers") knows how to tackle properly.

On another note, too bad for Arsenal that they lost the game today.
While City played good, I feel like Arsenal was just as good, and they were robbed of a penalty, so a bit unlucky there.
However, I do think City will have a "bad"-period in the spring, or maybe even now during New Years, so hopefully they can loose some points.
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Post by: njdtfan on December 18, 2011, 03:10:26 PM
I think in the whole we have to give Barca their credit. They are currently the best team in the world. Man U has proven they are not. Barca recently beat Real handily. Who else is there to beat? Best team ever. Well thats a tall task to claim. I can go back to many teams over the past 40 years I have been following soccer that may be better. But for now I for one ( and I am a Juventus and Chelsea guy) will say they are best best club team in the world.
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Post by: Lotion on December 31, 2011, 08:05:43 AM
United just ruined my new years eve.. FUUU! Well, time to get drunk, happy new year!
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Post by: Lotion on January 08, 2012, 05:45:36 AM
Paul Scholes on the bench today, jee .. I'm so excited about this! Though I'm afraid the results today will be in Man. City's favor!
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Post by: jag66 on January 08, 2012, 07:55:05 AM
Cracking match! Good to see city knocked down a peg.
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Post by: Zantera on January 08, 2012, 08:01:52 AM
Pew that Man United won.
After the first half I thought "this shouldn't be that hard now", but Lindegaard proved me wrong by throwing in two easy balls, and if the game had gone on for 10 more minutes, that could have been 2-3 goals more for Man City.
I'm not saying that De Gea has been the best keeper ever so far, but he has the future in front of him, he has the talent, and Lindegaard is AT best a reserve-keeper for a PL-team.

At least Man United won.
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Post by: emindead on January 18, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Claiming that Messi is the sole responsible for this team to win their games is completely false. He never gets an injury? Thank God his bones are like rubber, honestly. I can't explain why he's so lucky, but he is. He does get sick though, that's why last week he didn't play full time. When Barcelona beat Real Madrid 5-0 Messi didn't score a single goal. Today we beat Real Madrid 1-2, though he did make that incredible pass to Abidal. But why forget Busquets -the whiniest guy EVER!!!- who knows how to win a ball back, or Xavi who is with CR7 the second best player in the world right now, or Iniesta a genius on the field, or Fabregas a great forward, or Alexis who demonstrated today his quality, or Carles Puyol who is the best defense player in the history of the team (and who also scores with his magnificent and powerful headers like shown today), or Gerard Piqué who -considering that today was a terrible day for him- stabilizes most of the attacks Barcelona receives and what about Valdes who is not the best goalkeeper (or near Iker Casillas level) in the world yet not having him on the court makes a great difference (Pinto is sooo bad! that first goal was a gift to CR7). Of course Messi is the best player in the world and he does make an insanely amount of difference, yet, as he has pointed out, he is that good because his teammates are also THAT good.

The point is that Barcelona have great players and have a great Cantera called La Macía that creates great football players. Barcelona is not a wallet team like RM (which is fine in its own way) but a formation team.

If Xavi is arrogant it is because he can be one; results speak for themselves. But if we are saying arrogant in a negative connotation what about CR7 and Mourinho's absence in the last Fifa award ceremony? What a shame!

I digress. --- Today was an exciting Clásico. Cristiano Ronaldo played confidently the first minutes, scored a good goal and then... he disappeared. We have a name for that: pecho frío.
Alexis is such a fantastic player, I'm so happy with him!

Please, Spanish Federation or Fifa, do something about Pepe. This is inadmissible and a disgrace to football in general: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXO3_CfC7bA
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Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2012, 02:32:08 AM
I actually watched the game, but I must say the the whole excitement about El Classico is gone.
Real plays tough and sorta boring (apart from those two games before the season, where Real was actually the better team IMO), but they don't really want to play football against Barcelona, and Pepe made a fool out of himself with all the diving and some harsh tackles, all in all the harsh tackle-part fits most players in Real.
And Barcelona are what they normally are, 90% passing sideways, and throwing in tons of diving and surrounding the referee between that, the whole game becomes more breaks then football, cause every time a Real player tackles a Barca-player, we have the 30 second break and talking to a ref, gets a bit annoying.

While Real aren't much better then Barcelona (in terms of diving and trying to cheat), I think the big difference is that most people in the world knows that Real are like this. Nobody is defending Pepe, we know what kind of player he is, and what he does on the field. Nobody is defending Di Maria when he dives, we know he does it. But Barcelona has that "best team in the world"-stamp on them, and I'm by no means criticizing the quality of these players, but their behavior and attitude on the field says a lot, take the situation where Pepe walked over Messi's hand for example. Clumsy of Pepe and a yellow card, but did Messi really have to roll around for 3 minutes after it happened? I really don't think so, while a normal man had gotten up, and asked Pepe "what are you doing?", he decided to act like a woman and roll around on the grass.
It's a bit sad really, it's very hard for me to look at Barca's players with anything but disgust after all the diving and surrounding the referee, if they are the best team in the world, they shouldn't have to dive or try to affect the referee, they should be able to win anyway.

Oh well, just my 5 cents.
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Post by: Nekov on January 19, 2012, 05:42:04 AM
Your hate for Barcelona never ceases to impress me Zantera. As I said before, I think you watch too much Premier League because what happens in Barcelona games is the exact same thing that happens in every other game that is not Premier League. The fact that you keep bashing at them like they are the uber cry babies is kind of annoying.
I do agree that football shouldn't have all the acting and talking to the ref that goes on nowadays but unfortunately it's the way this sport has evolved with all the TV and publicity the players get. And it's also a fact that refs are high pressured because every time they make a mistake they are the center of the storm and in this particular case there is a lot of talk about refs benefiting one of the two teams which also contributes to all the circus.
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Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2012, 05:59:35 AM
Yeah but it saddens me that the only league that is close to Premier League quality-wise is Bundesliga.  :P
And I don't only hate on Barcelona for diving, I think diving itself is rather disgusting, and you wont see me defend Nani even if I'm a Man U-fan, cause I feel ashamed whenever he dives, or whenever any Man U-player dives. I don't think it's something anyone can defend even if they like the team, but with Barcelona it's never like that. If you ask a Barcelona-supporter, their players never dive, they never do anything out of the ordinary, and it just saddens me that people have a hard time being objective about things.

As I said with Barcelona, the big difference is that people never talk about the bad stuff. I even see people defend the diving part with bullshit like "if they tackle hard, its okay to dive to show the referee that it isn't ok", but that's not okay to do. That's pathetic behavior, let the ref do his job and everything would be much better.
It's not like I have anything against Barcelona as a club, if it would have been Chelsea or Bayern Munich (or any other team) that had acted this way with diving, I would have bashed those clubs instead.  :lol

I just think it would be a great idea to hand out penalties for players who dive, like they could watch certain situations after the games, and if someone used a dive, they could suspend the player for X amount of games.
It's sad that it has become such a big part of the game, and I really think that it's a problem they should take seriously and try to do something about, whether it's Barcelona, Man United or AC Milan, or any other team, diving should reward in suspensions.
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Post by: emindead on January 19, 2012, 07:11:17 AM
The Spanish Liga needs Premier refs. That's all.

Messi gets stomped, suffers the pain of that incredible act, yet still wins... Where are you trying to get at? Barcelona still managed to do what you said. They won.
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Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
Well, my point was that over exaggerating a certain situation to try and force a card is a bit lame.  ;)
But yeah, Barcelona won the game, and I think it was a fair result. Real just seemed like they didn't want to win the game, they didn't play nowhere near as good as they did when the teams met each other in two games pre-season, those games were good.
All in all I got the feeling that neither of the teams really cared much about the game, it was "just" the Cup after all, and there wasn't a lot of chances IMO, two pretty solid defenses.

Another thing I think is pretty interesting is the fact that Barcelona never has injuries on their key players. Sure Iniesta and Xavi might miss a game here and there, but unlike other teams where the key-players can be away for months, that never happens in Barcelona. I bow to their physical trainer, he must be doing something right. And despite all the talk about lots of players tackling Messi rough, he's never injured. I don't know what his bones are made of, but he's like Wolverine.  :lol
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Post by: Arch Benemy on January 22, 2012, 03:19:38 AM
Crazy day of football yesterday, lets hope the big games today are equally as exciting. I'm hoping for a Spurs win over City but I'd settle for a draw, similarly I'm hoping for a draw between Arsenal and Man U but I'd settle for a Man U win!
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Post by: Zantera on January 22, 2012, 04:04:58 AM
Can't wait for the two games today!
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Post by: Zydar on January 22, 2012, 04:13:33 AM
Come on, Reds!
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Post by: emindead on January 22, 2012, 10:34:04 AM
So nice to see Radamel Falcao García score a hat-trick on yesterday's game against Real Sociedad!
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Post by: Zantera on January 22, 2012, 11:13:23 AM
3 points for Man United, but they honestly didn't deserve them.
I almost get angry watching Arsenal, because they should have easily grabbed those 3 points, but the same problems occur every game, and it's hard to blame it on anything.

I think Wenger did a poor game for several reasons. Replacing Chamberlain who was the best player on the field, or if not then Arsenal's best player at least, with a completely useless Arshavin is the best example. Arshavin wouldn't even get a starting place in Bolton's team, the only two things he brings to the table when he plays are A) Missing opportunities that are goals 99 out of 100 times and B) Giving away goals to the other team, today he managed to do B when his poor defending led to 2-1.
The problem is that Arshavin is horrible, yet always comes in with the objective to change the game around with a goal or two, something he hasn't done in ages.
And sending in Park in minute 84? He didn't look bad at all, but what does Wenger honestly expect from a player that never gets to play, and he got a good ~10 minutes of gametime.
Walcott was really bad today, and I don't think a single person could list a reason why he wasn't substituted instead of Chamberlain, other then the fact that Walcott has more experience, but that is a rather poor reason looking at his performance.

Nice with 3 points for Man U, but again.. they didn't deserve them at all.
I feel bad for Arsenal.
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Post by: emindead on January 22, 2012, 01:16:18 PM
Oh dear Lord, Messi! Hat-Trick... just because he can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTzXP2LUGfw
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Post by: Arch Benemy on January 23, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
Ugh, Balotelli's such a cunt. A four game ban doesn't seem enough for what he did.
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Post by: bugsyoz on January 23, 2012, 05:53:00 PM
Mighty Reds fan here
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Post by: emindead on January 25, 2012, 06:13:36 PM
You want real football? To the top of its level? Watch the replay of today's Clásico. Fuck, what a good game (and yo, Zantera, Real Madrid played better! Doesn't matter, had sex!)

Enjoy this gem by Dani Alves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_cfL86Gspk
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Post by: Progmetty on January 26, 2012, 01:42:05 AM
Can someone get me in the loop? I haven't watched any games in a almost a year.
What interesting leagues or cups are going on right now?
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Post by: Zydar on January 26, 2012, 01:54:20 AM
Can someone get me in the loop? I haven't watched any games in a almost a year.
What interesting leagues or cups are going on right now?

I am the most interested in the English Premier League, I've always been interested by English football. La Liga is always about the same two teams each year, so that's kind of boring - but sure, both Barcelona and Real Madrid play outstanding football. Serie A is a little more unpredictable since both Milan, Juventus, and Napoli are in the title race. And now Inter seems to be heading towards the top again too.
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Post by: Zantera on January 26, 2012, 02:07:48 AM
I did watch the El Classico, and while it was the best El Classico I've seen in a while, I still think it's a bit overhyped atm.
Mostly because there are 5000 situations throughout the game where the referee has to stop it, which ruins the flow a bit, but what's up with Spanish Production having 3648 replays of everything?  :lol I rarely watch Spanish football, but everytime I get the feeling that they roll replays here and there, zooming in players faces to get some form of reaction, I just thought that part was a bit silly, cause I never see that in Premier League, Ligue 1 or Bundesliga. :P

The game itself was interesting, rarely you see Real dominate Barca on Camp Nou, but I'd say Real were the better team quite easily. The first game wasn't much to talk about that Barca won, but this time it was a much more even game and more interesting.
I sort of feel for Real, cause even though they had game against Barcelona's goal through the first half, Barcelona managed to score 2 goals out of thin air near the end, so the result didn't really reflect the game.
I think Real should have used their opportunities better, they could have easily won with 5-2 if they had used their chances in a better way, but maybe that happens another time.

But again, it makes me a bit sad to see how two of the best teams in the world act on the field. We have the incident where Lass most likely should have been sent off (again I think the ref gave him a very easy first yellow card, so it was almost like karma), but we had all of Barcelona's team surrounding the referee, and then several Real players as well. I think it's a dick move no matter what team you're in, if you're gonna surround the ref and trying to force out a card.
All the diving... while it was better this game then in the last, we saw Pepe do a couple of dives, and the usual dives from Fabregas, Messi, Alves, Iniesta and Busquets, it's sad to see no matter what team does it.

But to sum it up, I thought the El Classico yesterday was one of the better out of the last games, but there are still so many things that both teams has to stop with, diving, tackling hard and trying to surround the ref for example.
I think the worst part with the game was to see the reactions from both the Real and the Barca-fans yesterday, talk about some of the most one-eyed fans ever. The Real fans were all about "The referee sucked, should have gotten two penalties", meanwhile the Barca-fans still continue to miss all the diving situations, which leads me to wonder if they have accepted diving as something positive in the sport.

Anyhow, it was a pretty solid game, though personally I'd say Premier League has had quite a lot of those games this season. Just look at Chelsea - Arsenal (3-5) for example.  :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on January 26, 2012, 02:44:23 AM
I agree, the animosity is getting ridiculous. 
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Post by: John94 on January 28, 2012, 04:43:40 AM
FA Cup games today! Got a couple of bets on too!

Come on Liverpool, lets make it two victories this week1
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Post by: Cyclopssss on January 28, 2012, 10:52:59 AM
Diiiiiirrrrkkk Kuyt for the winnn!!!  :hefdaddy
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Post by: bugsyoz on February 01, 2012, 08:12:03 PM
Great week..mancs gone from Cups all over the place.....ynwa
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Post by: Zantera on February 02, 2012, 04:15:02 AM
Anyone else starting to suspect another fail season for Manchester City? Out of Carling Cup, out of the FA-Cup, and out of Champions League, while they're split with Man United for the lead in Premier League, I strongly doubt that they will win the league. I'm not saying that Man United will either, but personally I think Spurs has a slightly higher chance of winning it. Let's say Man United wins the Premier League (which isn't impossible at all), that leaves Europe League for City, a team that has spent several billions trying to buy success.  :lol

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Post by: Nekov on February 02, 2012, 11:08:30 AM
I hope they fail. I hate those teams that have lots of money and think that by buying a lot of good players at the same time will get them titles. I think that kind of management is destroying the national teams to some extent. Instead of developing good young players they just buy start from other countries which in turn makes the players adjust to a playing style that might not be the one they will practice with their national team.
I think that was very clear in the last world cup with Italy. Their best team at that time was Inter which is full of foreigners so they based their team on Juventus, a club that wasn't playing a good football and the results were very evident. I think something similar happens in England where the main teams have very few English players and lots of foreigners.
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Post by: Zantera on February 02, 2012, 11:29:09 AM
I sorta get what you mean, but I do think there's a glimmer of hope for England.
In a few years, they might have a team that looks something like this:

Hart
Walker-Jones-Smalling-Richards
Rodwell-McEachran
Chamberlain-Wilshere-Johnson
Welbeck

And spice that up with some of the current players that will still be around, like Rooney for example. There is potential, but one of the sad things is that few of the teams give their young players a chance. Arsenal and Man United try to do it, and that is a great thing. What makes me a bit mad about Chelsea is that they have a player like McEachran, yet he doesn't get the chance to play in any Cup-game, despite the fact that most of Chelsea has been very bad this season, at least the midfielders.
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Post by: Arch Benemy on February 03, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
You know McEachran is on loan at Swansea right? I'm loving the new look top four at the moment, with Spurs and City pushing Arsenal and Liverpool out. I'd love to see Newcastle in there too, but doubt that's going to happen. My predicted Premier League table at the end of the season:

1 - Manchester United
2 - Manchester City
3 - Spurs
4 - Chelsea
5 - Arsenal
6 - Liverpool
7 - Newcastle
8 - Sunderland
9 - Stoke
10 - Everton
11 - Aston Villa
12 - Fulham
13 - Swansea
14 - West Brom
15 - Norwich
16 - QPR
17 - Bolton
18 - Blackburn
19 - Wolves
20 - Wigan
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Post by: Zantera on February 03, 2012, 11:51:43 AM
Yeah I know he's on loan. :P
I'll give it a try as well, I think the table will end something like this:

1. Man United
2. Man City
3. Arsenal (because why not? they have most of the good teams at home, it can only go up from here)
4. Tottenham (I think they might drop a bit due to the tough schedule they have)
5. Chelsea
6. Sunderland
7. Liverpool
8. Newcastle
9. Stoke
10. Swansea
11. Everton
12. Fulham
13. West Brom
14. Norwich
15. QPR
16. Bolton
17. Wolverhampton
18. Aston Villa (Because they have a shit coach)
19. Blackburn
20. Wigan
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Post by: John94 on February 03, 2012, 12:11:59 PM
1. Tottenham
2. Man United
3. Man City
4. Liverpool
5. Chelsea
6. Arsenal
7. Newcastle
8. Everton
9. Stoke
10. West Brom
11. Sunderland
12. Fulham
13. Aston Villa
14. QPR
15. Norwich
16. Wolves
17. Swansea
18. Bolton
19. Blackburn
20. Wigan

Liverpool will get fourth as long as they gather and build on the momentum. Spurs will go on a roll after the Liverpool game (cause they will lose) and City will fall away, United and Citys Europa League schedules will be their downfall.

I have no interest what so ever in the future England team personally, I'm a club over country person. If Gerrard isn't made England captain (which he should've been years ago) then I will be done with England and The FA.
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Post by: toro on February 03, 2012, 01:16:06 PM
No way in hell is Tottenham winning the league and it would be even harder  to see Liverpool on the top 4.
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Post by: Nekov on February 03, 2012, 01:19:57 PM
No way in hell is Tottenham winning the league and it would be even harder  to see Liverpool on the top 4.

I agree with this. One of the Manchesters will take the league. I think Zantera's top 4 is the most likely to happen.
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Post by: John94 on February 03, 2012, 01:48:30 PM
The most important part of the season is so much more easier for Spurs, if they are still in with a chance then they will win it. Their run in (April-May)/ last 8 games are so much more easier on paper.

Who knows what could go on. Stranger things have happened.

If Liverpool don't get fourth, I will eat my own hat.
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Post by: Nekov on February 03, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
The most important part of the season is so much more easier for Spurs, if they are still in with a chance then they will win it. Their run in (April-May)/ last 8 games are so much more easier on paper.

Who knows what could go on. Stranger things have happened.

If Liverpool don't get fourth, I will eat my own hat.

And you will record it on video and post it for our amusement.  ;)
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Post by: ariich on February 04, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
3 points for Man United, but they honestly didn't deserve them.
I almost get angry watching Arsenal, because they should have easily grabbed those 3 points, but the same problems occur every game, and it's hard to blame it on anything.

I think Wenger did a poor game for several reasons. Replacing Chamberlain who was the best player on the field, or if not then Arsenal's best player at least, with a completely useless Arshavin is the best example. Arshavin wouldn't even get a starting place in Bolton's team, the only two things he brings to the table when he plays are A) Missing opportunities that are goals 99 out of 100 times and B) Giving away goals to the other team, today he managed to do B when his poor defending led to 2-1.
The problem is that Arshavin is horrible, yet always comes in with the objective to change the game around with a goal or two, something he hasn't done in ages.
And sending in Park in minute 84? He didn't look bad at all, but what does Wenger honestly expect from a player that never gets to play, and he got a good ~10 minutes of gametime.
Walcott was really bad today, and I don't think a single person could list a reason why he wasn't substituted instead of Chamberlain, other then the fact that Walcott has more experience, but that is a rather poor reason looking at his performance.

Nice with 3 points for Man U, but again.. they didn't deserve them at all.
I feel bad for Arsenal.
A bit late I know, but I pretty much agree with all of this, other than the fact that the Ox was brought off due to fatigue - he's young and I think that was his first ever start in the Premier League. But bringing on Arshavin (in that or any other match) is always a dumb idea, the guy is so useless these days. And yeah Walcott had a really bad match as well, it was frustrating.

Today went rather a lot better, totally was not expecting a 7-1 win!
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Post by: John94 on February 11, 2012, 05:40:05 AM
Man U v. Liverpool.


Come on Liverpool!
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Post by: Beat-Nick on February 11, 2012, 05:50:14 AM
Just bet Over 2.5 Goals Liverpool V Man Utd..Dont care who wins..Just give me goals  :eek
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Post by: Zydar on February 11, 2012, 05:52:37 AM
Come on United!
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Post by: Beat-Nick on February 11, 2012, 06:55:47 AM
1 More Goal and Im a winner  :tup

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Post by: Beat-Nick on February 11, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
SUAREZ 2-1.. :tup :tup    ;D   GET IN THERE!!!!
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Post by: John94 on February 11, 2012, 10:25:13 AM
Poor game in all fairness. All 3 goals could've been prevented. Obviously overshadowed by the off field antics, I'm trying not to say anything that can turn discussion sour!

Not shocked that Everton beat Chelsea to be honest. I think AVB will gone shortly.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 11, 2012, 11:03:40 AM
Honestly, they should ban Suarez for the season. His behaviour is bizarre. He even bit a player on the shoulder in our national league over here. (Bakal).  Now he refused to shake Evra´s hand. The guy´s a douche.
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Post by: jag66 on February 11, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Poor game in all fairness. All 3 goals could've been prevented. Obviously overshadowed by the off field antics, I'm trying not to say anything that can turn discussion sour!

Not shocked that Everton beat Chelsea to be honest. I think AVB will gone shortly.

It pleases me muchly seeing Chelsea fail this year.

My prediction (in line with what I hope and what's realistic)

1. Man U
2. Man C
3. Tottenham
4. Arsenal

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Post by: jag66 on February 11, 2012, 11:05:55 AM
Honestly, they should ban Suarez for the season. His behaviour is bizarre. He even bit a player on the shoulder in our national league over here. (Bakal).  Now he refused to shake Evra´s hand. The guy´s a douche.

True. King Kenny is doing himself no favours with his blind support of the guy if you ask me.
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Post by: Zydar on February 11, 2012, 11:17:38 AM
Honestly, they should ban Suarez for the season. His behaviour is bizarre. He even bit a player on the shoulder in our national league over here. (Bakal).  Now he refused to shake Evra´s hand. The guy´s a douche.

+1

Can't stand the guy.
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Post by: John94 on February 11, 2012, 11:24:09 AM
I'm "biting my lip" metaphorically on here re: Suarez/Evra.

Meanwhile, didn't see Spurs leading 4-0 against Newcastle.
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Post by: Zantera on February 11, 2012, 11:38:52 AM
Suarez is bad, but if they're gonna ban him, then please ban Evra as well.
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Post by: reneranucci on February 11, 2012, 11:44:03 AM
Honestly, they should ban Suarez for the season. His behaviour is bizarre. He even bit a player on the shoulder in our national league over here. (Bakal).  Now he refused to shake Evra´s hand. The guy´s a douche.
Nah, people are paying to much attention to that, and it feels a little bit hypocritical IMO. Taking into account all the insults/aggressions/bad blood that occur all the time among football players, calling someone out because he refused to shake hands is pretty lame.
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Post by: John94 on February 11, 2012, 11:48:41 AM
Saw this video posted on a few sites I'm on after a few people have cast their judgements, alternate angles definitely change the matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh2GklvY7eQ - hmmm...

Who's to blame there? Plus, they aren't mentioning Evra taunting Suarez after the whistle.
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Post by: emindead on February 12, 2012, 07:09:37 AM
It's OBVIOUSLY Evra's fault. He pulls his hand off and then tries to reach Suarez like saying "Dude, don't be stupid! Shake my hand!" Pffff Evra doesn't fool anyone. Suarez has always been a dick, but I'm siding with him on this one. And then Evra runs to celebrate in front of Suarez? What a douche.

(http://i.imgur.com/WjO5O.jpg)
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 12, 2012, 07:16:28 AM
Yeah, well they´re both to blame. Not very professional, though.
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Post by: Zantera on February 12, 2012, 08:11:03 AM
Aaron Ramsey scores against Man United - Osama Bin Laden dies the next day.
Aaron Ramsey scores against Tottenham - Steve Jobs dies two days after.
Aaron Ramsey scores against Marseille - Muammar Gaddafi dies the next day.
Aaron Ramsey scores against Sunderland - Whitney Houston dies the next day.

I'm beginning to see a pattern, and I wonder what the hell happens if Ramsey would score a hattrick.  :lol
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Post by: Zydar on February 12, 2012, 08:30:19 AM
Holy shit :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 13, 2012, 01:53:34 AM
Well, John Guidetti (on loan from Man city) scored his THIRD hattrick this season for Feyenoord. Mmmm....  :angel:
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Post by: Bill Carson on February 13, 2012, 03:40:15 AM
Lets get this one straight,
Suarez DID NOT shake Evra's hand !!!
Suarez has apologised along with Liverpool and by doing so admitted to their guilt.
So please no bullsh*t frames showing what you want it to be.
Liverpool have been in the wrong for this whole affair and now they have realised that Suarez is the liar....he always was !
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Post by: toro on February 13, 2012, 01:09:02 PM
And he needs to get the fuck out of football, he is very talented but he is a disgrace, he is a cheater, he needs to go back to his country(Or any latin american league) so he can keep doing what he does best: cheating.
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Post by: Zantera on February 13, 2012, 01:37:51 PM
And he needs to get the fuck out of football, he is very talented but he is a disgrace, he is a cheater, he needs to go back to his country(Or any latin american league) so he can keep doing what he does best: cheating.

Or he can just join FC Barcelona. Should fit right in. ;)
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Post by: John94 on February 13, 2012, 04:22:29 PM
Anyway, shame to see Mick McCarthy go, I like the man, tells it as it is. I can see Steve Bruce/Neil Warnock going their now but I'm not sure if Wolves can stay up.
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Post by: cyberdrummer on February 26, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
Excellent weekend of football so far. Hope the Carling Cup is exciting, not a Liverpool whitewash.
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Post by: Zantera on February 26, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
Spurs just got pounded by Gunners.
And Man U managed to beat Norwich with a last minute goal by Giggs, in his 900th game for the club.

Great weekend.  :)
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Post by: cyberdrummer on February 26, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
The Cardiff goal was great news for the neutral. Second half just started...
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Post by: ariich on February 26, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Spurs just got pounded by Gunners.
Really did not see that coming, but a pleasant surprise! :D
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Post by: jag66 on February 26, 2012, 02:36:43 PM
Spurs just got pounded by Gunners.
Really did not see that coming, but a pleasant surprise! :D

And another brilliant game between 2 of the top clubs. So many belters this season  :hat
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Post by: John94 on February 26, 2012, 02:44:18 PM
That game was exhausting. So happy we ended our 6 year trophy-less spell. It was a nail-bitter and horrible to watch during the penalties but I'm so relieved we won and hopefully it will lead to better things for Liverpool!
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Post by: ariich on February 26, 2012, 03:32:03 PM
Spurs just got pounded by Gunners.
Really did not see that coming, but a pleasant surprise! :D

And another brilliant game between 2 of the top clubs. So many belters this season  :hat
Yeah seriously, just watched Match of the Day and it was a really energetic game, great stuff.

And the Carling Cup final - good lord! That was fantastic stuff. Such a shame Cardiff screwed up at the end, although both teams took pretty terrible penalties. :lol
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Post by: emindead on February 26, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
And he needs to get the fuck out of football, he is very talented but he is a disgrace, he is a cheater, he needs to go back to his country(Or any latin american league) so he can keep doing what he does best: cheating.
What the fuck is your problem?

Or he can just join FC Barcelona. Should fit right in. ;)
Cry more.
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Post by: toro on February 27, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
And he needs to get the fuck out of football, he is very talented but he is a disgrace, he is a cheater, he needs to go back to his country(Or any latin american league) so he can keep doing what he does best: cheating.
What the fuck is your problem?

What the fuck is yours?
I don't like cheaters and specially the ones like Suarez. He has the fucking ability to outplay a lot of people and there he goes and cheats and acts cowardly in almost every game he is in.
He sucks monkey dick.
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Post by: Zantera on February 27, 2012, 03:14:53 AM
Toro, while I agree with you, it's almost useless to discuss the whole diving/"acting like a dick on the field" with emindead, considering his views on the subject. :P

International games this week also. I really don't like it, because I feel like it interferes with the different leagues, and I don't feel as excited watching a country play, as watching a team play. I might watch Sweden though, I do feel like we have a decent shot at going past the group-stage in Euro 2012. (the other teams in the group are France, England and Ukraine) England and France feel like good teams that haven't met their expectations in a while, and I don't know.. Sweden could surprise people.
I would love to see Sweden play something like this:

                  Guidetti
Elmander-Ibrahimovic-Larsson
               Elm-Källström
M.Olsson-Mellberg-J.Olsson-Lustig
                  Isaksson

Something like that would be pretty interesting.
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Post by: Nekov on March 02, 2012, 07:31:14 AM
I dislike Balotelli but I have to applaud him here

(http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3071214_460s.jpg)
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Post by: rude boy on March 02, 2012, 09:00:44 AM
Toro, while I agree with you, it's almost useless to discuss the whole diving/"acting like a dick on the field" with emindead, considering his views on the subject. :P

International games this week also. I really don't like it, because I feel like it interferes with the different leagues, and I don't feel as excited watching a country play, as watching a team play. I might watch Sweden though, I do feel like we have a decent shot at going past the group-stage in Euro 2012. (the other teams in the group are France, England and Ukraine) England and France feel like good teams that haven't met their expectations in a while, and I don't know.. Sweden could surprise people.
I would love to see Sweden play something like this:

                  Guidetti
Elmander-Ibrahimovic-Larsson
               Elm-Källström
M.Olsson-Mellberg-J.Olsson-Lustig
                  Isaksson

Something like that would be pretty interesting.

i've been to swe v cro match on saturday (i'm croat). all i can say is this: if King Zlatan keeps on playing like this, Sweden could be a very pleasant surprise and go very far in EURO. half of the match he wasn't even trying, just walking around minding his own business. and when he felt like it he took the ball, ran with it for 50 m and created goals for his team like a boss. but truth be told, our team generally didn't really feel the need to make it difficult for him  :biggrin:
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Post by: John94 on March 02, 2012, 09:59:59 AM
 :lol That Ballotelli account is a parody.
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Post by: Gysten on March 02, 2012, 03:33:58 PM
All I want from Sweden is to let Guidetti play and him scoring goals, then I know we have a crown prince after Zlatan stops playing.

Would be fun to go through the group too, not the easiest group thought, everyone is a threat. But I can see Sweden winning over Ukraine and England, but France might be harder.
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Post by: Zantera on March 03, 2012, 01:07:45 PM
Looks like a very great weekend for all Arsenal-supporters. The game today was quite interesting to say the least. Liverpool had most of the opportunities, but when you fail to score them, and face a team with Van Persie in it, anything can happen. It was really one of those "didn't deserve it - but hell we made it"-victories, and I think Arsenal should be very happy with it. Add to that the fact that Chelsea lost their game, and Spurs will surely loose tomorrow against Man United (Mr.Optimist here!) and Arsenal might be able to climb even higher. ;)
Spurs has Everton away next weekend, and Chelsea away after that. It isn't impossible or unlikely that they wont win either of these games, so if the other teams do their thing, Spurs could soon be out of the top4.

Really stoked about Spurs - Man U tomorrow ofc. After seeing Spurs getting crushed by Arsenal last weekend, I have high hopes for a Man United win. Lets face it, if Arsenal (a team that hasn't really peaked their highest form this season) was able to totally crush Spurs with 5-2, Man U should be able to win with higher numbers. Still, a trip to WHL is always hard, but hopefully 3 points are within reach, Man City can't increase their lead more!
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Post by: John94 on March 03, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
I don't know what to say. You get 12 corners in the match, miss a penalty, hit the post twice.

I'm speechless.
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Post by: Zantera on March 04, 2012, 07:04:22 AM
Villas-Boas sacked.
Honestly I just laugh at Chelsea, with Roman Abramovich as the owner, they will never win Champions League, unless Mourinho decides to come back, but he left the club once because of Abramovich, and why would he come back?
It doesn't work to kick the coach everytime you get a few bad results, while Chelsea haven't been that good this season, the main reason is that the core of their squad consists of players over the age of 30, even 33, 34 and so on.
The only quality player that has been solid this season in Chelsea is Mata, the rest has been so bad. But yeah, let's see what Di Matteo can do with a group of camels.  :lol

So yeah, this means that Arsenal can pretty much feel very comfortable with their Champions League spot, because there's no way Chelsea can fight for it now.
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Post by: cyberdrummer on March 04, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
I'm not sure Arsenal have got 4th place wrapped up just yet. Chelsea are not out of it by a long shot - Terry and Lampard are definitely fighters.

It's a shame, but everybody who knows any thing about football could see AVB's sacking coming a mile off though - Abramovich has got himself and and his club into an awful downward spiral in my opinion. He really needs to keep faith with a manager for longer than 1 or 2 years. If Alex Ferguson had been sacked after his first two or three years (which was apparently a real possibility), imagine where Man United would be now.

The word is that Rafa Benitez has been made favourite to replace AVB, which would be an absolute disaster for Chelsea. Mourinho is the obvious (and correct) choice.

Good win for Man United this afternoon, April 30th is beginning to look ever more important.
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Post by: John94 on March 04, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
Rafa would be a dangerous choice, I wouldn't like him to go to Chelsea because he would do a good job plus IF it didn't work out, I don't want to see a person I have so much respect for get treated like Abramovichs latest playtoy.

Mourinho won't go back.

For me, David Moyes deserves a top job at a club with money. He is a great manager, rivalry aside, he has done wonders on a tight budget at Everton.

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Post by: jag66 on March 04, 2012, 03:50:49 PM
Lolchelsea. You just can't buy the champions league.. or maybe you can you just need to spend like Man City.

Surely mourinho has too much pride to go back to chelsea and their let's face it ailing squad. I'd much rather see him at tottenham if harry takes the england job.
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Post by: emindead on March 05, 2012, 05:11:22 AM
And he needs to get the fuck out of football, he is very talented but he is a disgrace, he is a cheater, he needs to go back to his country(Or any latin american league) so he can keep doing what he does best: cheating.
What the fuck is your problem?

What the fuck is yours?
I don't like cheaters and specially the ones like Suarez. He has the fucking ability to outplay a lot of people and there he goes and cheats and acts cowardly in almost every game he is in.
He sucks monkey dick.
"Or any Latin American League" was the part that bothered me.
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Post by: Nekov on March 06, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
It's half time and Arsenal is beating Milan 3-0. Who would have thought?
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Post by: Zydar on March 06, 2012, 01:46:39 PM
Yeah I'm watching that game now. It's really exciting!
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Post by: emindead on March 06, 2012, 01:47:08 PM
I hope they don't screw it up!
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Post by: Zantera on March 06, 2012, 02:39:44 PM
Too bad for Arsenal, Milan is such a lame team. The only good thing is that Milan will go out in the next round anyways.
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Post by: jag66 on March 06, 2012, 02:57:07 PM
I had a good feeling before the game, was expecting them to do it after being 3-0 up at half time. Don't care if Chelsea go through, but looks like there could be no english teams in the quarter finals, which is a shame for the competition imo.
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Post by: emindead on March 07, 2012, 01:29:42 PM
Barcelona 2 - Bayern L. 0

Messi makes this look sooo easy.
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Post by: jag66 on March 07, 2012, 01:36:18 PM
Messi is truely a legend. He gets you 50 goals a season and countless assists i'm sure.
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Post by: emindead on March 07, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
3-0 all by Messi.
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Post by: Nekov on March 07, 2012, 02:00:14 PM
:clap:

I intended to watch the match but I've been working a lot. And yes, Messi is a legend and I'm proud he was born in Argentina.
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Post by: emindead on March 07, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
5-0; Messi four goals, Tello (in his international debut) one.
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Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2012, 02:19:22 PM
Bayern Leverkusen isn't exactly the best team around, big shocker that Barcelona would win.
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Post by: jag66 on March 07, 2012, 03:30:06 PM
Bayern Leverkusen isn't exactly the best team around, big shocker that Barcelona would win.

Perhaps, but you can't argue with the football they play. Messi could be remembered at the end of his career as greater than even pele/maradona.
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Post by: toro on March 07, 2012, 06:17:16 PM
And he needs to get the fuck out of football, he is very talented but he is a disgrace, he is a cheater, he needs to go back to his country(Or any latin american league) so he can keep doing what he does best: cheating.
What the fuck is your problem?

What the fuck is yours?
I don't like cheaters and specially the ones like Suarez. He has the fucking ability to outplay a lot of people and there he goes and cheats and acts cowardly in almost every game he is in.
He sucks monkey dick.
"Or any Latin American League" was the part that bothered me.
Don't worry bro, I'm Latin American(Mexico) and I know what I'm talking about. LA leagues are corrupted from the Top to the field. I would love to say this is not true but it sadly is, just look at La Copa Libertadores(I'm Looking at you Grondona)


Also Goddamn, Barcelona. It's not even fair anymore  :lol
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Post by: Nekov on March 07, 2012, 06:46:03 PM
Yeah, freaking Grondona needs to step down from everything football related. He destroyed Argentina's league already, it's awful to watch a match even when the best teams are playing and Copa Libertadores seems to be going the same route.
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Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2012, 01:45:28 AM
Bayern Leverkusen isn't exactly the best team around, big shocker that Barcelona would win.

Perhaps, but you can't argue with the football they play. Messi could be remembered at the end of his career as greater than even pele/maradona.

Honestly I think he should be able to perform in Argentina if he should be anywhere close to being "the greatest" or whatever. Scoring 5 goals against teams like Leverkusen, Sporting Gijon & Villareal is one thing, but if you look at Pele and Maradona they did an amazing job playing for their countries as well, and Messi doesn't exactly have bad team mates in Argentina. Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Lavezzi. (the list goes on really)
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Post by: Nekov on March 08, 2012, 03:07:31 AM
That is true but I'm not sure if you've seen any Argentina match lately. It's bascially the rest of the team giving the ball to Messi and then standing in the field waiting for him to work some magic. The other teams know that this happens so they get 2 or 3 players to match up with Messi making it impossible for him to do anything. I think Messi does a good job every time he plays in the national team, but this is a team sport and no matter how good a player is, the rest of the team still needs to do a good job too.
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Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2012, 03:52:35 AM
Well, last time I saw Argentina was probably World Cup '10. But still. Of course it's a team sport, but Argentina is after all one of the big countries, and Messi has all the right conditions in order to reach success with them, though he hasn't yet. Obviously he's still young, and could reach success in the next world cup, or the one after that.
A personal favorite of mine, Ryan Giggs who I consider to be one of the best (not saying THE best) has the bad luck of coming from Wales. Sure, England hasn't had any success lately either, so it probably wouldn't have been a different situation if he had played there, but it's a shame that he never got to reach any success on the international-level, due to coming from Wales. Messi is pretty lucky in that sense, Argentina is a great football-country.
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Post by: Nekov on March 08, 2012, 05:34:08 AM
I agree on almost everything you say there, Argentina has some great players but non of the last 4 managers we've had has been able to make the team work well. We are struggling in every match we play because the defense is not solid, the midfielders are not able to generate any danger to the opposing team and we rely on Messi, Higuain or Agüero to come up with all the goal situations. Messi has excellent players surrounding him but none of them is able to perform nearly as well as they do in their teams and that has an impact on Messi's game.
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Post by: jag66 on March 08, 2012, 07:24:03 AM
Bayern Leverkusen isn't exactly the best team around, big shocker that Barcelona would win.

Perhaps, but you can't argue with the football they play. Messi could be remembered at the end of his career as greater than even pele/maradona.

Honestly I think he should be able to perform in Argentina if he should be anywhere close to being "the greatest" or whatever. Scoring 5 goals against teams like Leverkusen, Sporting Gijon & Villareal is one thing, but if you look at Pele and Maradona they did an amazing job playing for their countries as well, and Messi doesn't exactly have bad team mates in Argentina. Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Lavezzi. (the list goes on really)

I do agree.. in order to be truely considered the best he probably needs to win a World Cup. Maradona pretty much dragged Argentina to victory in '86 or whenever it was, but Pele had an absolutely formidable team behind him. As you say, the Argentine players aren't exactly bad, but winning the World Cup is far less under an individual player's control, particularly when you have Spain at the other end of the pitch!
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Post by: emindead on March 08, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
Football is a team game, but you need excellent individual players for the squad to become that good. Pelé's Santos and Brazil team had them; Maradona's Argentina had it as well (I'll give it to you the part that he basically, alone, gave Fiorentina's title). After '06, Argentina has had not a superb coach managing their squad. José Nestor Pekerman (Argentina's '06 coach resigned after Germany's cheating -you know, the penalties scandal -- he is now directing Colombia's national team, so I'm really, really excited about it; we beat Mexico 2-0 in that last friendly game) is an excellent coach, and the current one, Alejandro Sabella, is also really good.

Pekerman basically was the responsible to discover Messi. Many criticise him because he didn't let Messi play against Germany in 2006 (and they lost), the thing is that by then he was still too young. Messi's last game with Argentina was last week against Switzerland and he did a hat-trick. In sum, he has scored eight goals in two games. Not bad, not bad at all. I do believe Messi should play better in his national team, I'm sure that with Sabella he will.
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Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
Messi is a great player no doubt. When people ask me who I think is best out of Ronaldo or Messi, I tend to say Ronaldo though. Sure I know Messi has great statistics in the El Classico-games, and I don't mean it as anything negative towards Messi, but in terms of being a more "allround" player, I think Ronaldo has that. I mean, he started out as a sort of Right Midfielder in Man United (in a 4-4-2 system), but eventually developed his offensive game loads, becoming more of a winger, and also a striker. I think Ronaldo has a few qualities that Messi doesn't have, like being pretty good on the head, great corners for example. Messi might be more technical, so this is just how I feel "overall".

Honestly I don't really like the term "best player", because it is impossible to judge such a thing. The general idea is that people go for offensive qualities such as goal-scoring, technical abilities, but Defensive ones are just as important in the sport.
Personally I prefer the term "Favorite"-player, because it's a subjective thing after all. And on that part I would say Özil, who scores goals, but also makes incredible assists. Seeing him in the World Cup '10 was amazing, and he did a big impact on me personally. I think he could take another step and become even more awesome, but he's one of the best playmakers already, and I'm still really bummed that Man U didn't buy him when they had the chance, he joined Madrid for like 8 million € or something, real bargain.
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Post by: emindead on March 08, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
Last Clásico Özil was the man of the match, no doubt. He's a fantastic player.
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Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2012, 03:05:01 PM
Bah. Bilbao deserved the win though, amazing game from them. Really interesting team overall, players like Muniain, Javi Martinez, Herrera and Llorente, some quality right there. Interesting game to watch, though a bit frustrating that Man United didn't do a better performance. I feel like they are starting to slack with their title-chances, while they are still in it for the Premier League-race, they have gone to hell in the League Cup, FA-Cup and Champions, if Man City ends up winning, that means a 0 titles-season for Man United, which is a bit surprising looking at the last couple of seasons.
Personally it wouldn't matter to me if Man U got demoted to Championship since I would still root for them (so no titles isn't that big of a problem for me), but I would love to see Man United play a more attractive football, something I doubt will happen under Ferguson. :/
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Post by: jag66 on March 08, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
I would love to see Man United play a more attractive football, something I doubt will happen under Ferguson. :/

He's been responsible for some pretty attractive football over the last 25 years i'd say! He's hardly a cautious manager.

Another good game. United didn't deserve to win although no doubt they'll be pissed as the second goal was marginally offside, and the third came from the (dubious?) freekick when evra lost his shoe. Really poor defending from rafael there though.
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Post by: Nekov on March 08, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
I would love to see Man United play a more attractive football, something I doubt will happen under Ferguson. :/

He's been responsible for some pretty attractive football over the last 25 years i'd say! He's hardly a cautious manager.


I agree. I think what Manchester United needs is a renewal of players, bringing in mostly players that haven't won any titles yet and are eager to get a championship.
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Post by: Zantera on March 09, 2012, 01:31:08 AM
I'm not saying that Man United are playing dull football, but I'm not the biggest fan of the 4-4-2 system. Personally I'm more into playing a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 with a really good playmaker behind the striker, but Ferguson is more of a "attack on the sides"-kind of coach. Would love to see them go a bit more technical, but then they need to buy a few players who can handle that type of playing.
It will also be interesting to see who becomes the next manager for Man United, personally I think that either Giggs, Solskjær or Scholes would be interesting ideas, because they would have that Man United-status, and they know how the club works, so they could easily keep Ferguson's legacy going.
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Post by: emindead on March 10, 2012, 07:20:00 AM
Bah. Bilbao deserved the win though, amazing game from them. Really interesting team overall, players like Muniain, Javi Martinez, Herrera and Llorente, some quality right there.
Oh, that's the signature of Marcelo Bielsa. Another excellent coach from Argentina.
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Post by: bugsyoz on March 11, 2012, 11:53:02 PM
Reds.  Silverware.  Europe.
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Post by: Zantera on March 12, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Nice win for Arsenal. The win tonight, the one against Sunderland and the one against Liverpool have all been fantastic and important, three games that were all decided in additional time, and it's that kind of flow or "luck" that signifies a top team. You can chase that late goal all you want, but scoring it... that's a quality that most top teams have.

Must feel really sucky to be a Spurs-supporter now, it looked good a while ago, but there's really nothing that speaks for a Champions League spot anymore, next up Spurs have a tough game away against Chelsea, a team that is really hungry and needs to win. Chelsea will win it, because Spurs have been horrible against good teams this season. A lot of speculations about how Spurs would become a top team, and that they would sign Hazard and so on, but now it looks like the only thing they'll be celebrating is a spot in Europa League.
Van Der Vaart said that the difference between Tottenham and Real Madrid was that in Madrid, there were 2 hour long tactics before the game, and in Spurs there's Redknapp saying "go out there and earn the fans love". This says quite a lot, and I don't think Spurs will win anything under Redknapp. He's a solid coach, but not a big tactician, and I don't get why everyone wants to see him as the coach for England, they could do better.

Top4 how it will end:
1. Man U
2. Man C
3. Arsenal
4. Chelsea
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Post by: ariich on March 13, 2012, 03:35:43 AM
I'll be perfectly content with top 4, but if we can pip Spurs to 3rd, that would be great, and if they drop out of the top 4, even better! :biggrin:
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Post by: Neon on March 13, 2012, 07:45:21 PM
I don't really follow soccer outside of MLS, and now that the season is here it's time for me to return to my regularly scheduled alcoholism.   :biggrin:

And I will say this:  If last night's game is indicative of how this season is going to go for the Union, I'm going to be drinking even more heavily than normal.  Ugh what a terrible, terrible game. 
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Post by: emindead on March 15, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
Athletic Club Bilbao eliminated Manchester United. Man U is in a downhill spiral.

This also shows how incredible Marcelo Bielsa is as a coach.
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Post by: Zantera on March 15, 2012, 02:40:10 PM
Athletic Club Bilbao eliminated Manchester United. Man U is in a downhill spiral.

This also shows how incredible Marcelo Bielsa is as a coach.

I don't really know about "downward spiral". They're certainly not as good as they were last season (or the season before that), but it's consequences you have to take when you're in a renewal-phase. Several young players getting some time, and while Jones and De Gea (for example) will most likely be among the best in a few years, being as young as they are now, it is expected that they will have good and bad games.
Still, while Man U have been disappointing in Europe and in the cups, they're still top of the table in Premier League, and I have no doubt at all that they will win it. The team still looks the strongest and has the "winners" in the team. What does Man City have? A good squad, but how many of the players has actually won something? Add to that the fact that City has a much tougher schedule with 5 (I think) games against other top teams left, meanwhile Man U only has City. (unless I missed something) So yeah, they're still favorites and will most likely win PL.

Honestly I think a lot of the talks about a team being in a "crisis" and similar situations are normally far fetched. Every team encounters a weaker season, and if this is a bad season for Man U, and they still win Premier League, then it's not a bad season really? :P
I do hope for some transfers during the summer though, Man U has tried to play more attractive this season, and that is something I approve of. I think both Barcelona and Real has showed the other teams that playing nice is the way to go (which Real has been doing this season), so hopefully Ferguson will learn from that. Would love to see Man U sign Hazard, but he would cost 30-35€ or something, so it's not the kind of money anyone would just pay up.

Still, I think Bilbao deserved to go through. As I mentioned last game, Llorente, Muniain, Herrera and Martinez are all very interesting players. The sad part for Bilbao is that Barca or Real will probably snatch Muniain eventually.
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Post by: emindead on March 15, 2012, 03:10:08 PM
Thank you for remembering you're supposed to say "downward" :lol

And if Man Utd is on top of the table and yet they get eliminated from the Europe League it says a lot of the English teams. I don't see Chelsea reaching the semi-finals in the Champions.
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Post by: emindead on March 15, 2012, 03:25:57 PM
And Barcelona will be playing the final of the Copa del Rey against Athletic de Bilbao. Yikes!
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Post by: Zantera on March 15, 2012, 03:53:11 PM
Well, Man United sucks against teams that play like Barcelona. I'm not saying that Bilbao are as good, but they play a very technical and fast football, and Man U had problems with it. And if you look at it from another PoV, Bilbao had everything to win, meanwhile Man U had everything to loose, like how APOEL won over Lyon.

As for Chelsea going further in CL, I think it's possible. We haven't seen the draws yet, and it wouldn't be impossible for Chelsea to get either Apoel, and then Benfica or Marseille. It all comes down to the draw. I think most people will agree that if Chelsea gets either of the two Spanish teams or Bayern, it's probably bye bye.
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Post by: Zantera on March 17, 2012, 12:45:33 PM
Really depressing scenes at White Hart Lane. The game between Spurs - Bolton has been called off, Muamba collapsed in the middle of the field, with what looks like a heart-related problem. Apparently he's been rushed to the hospital, and I really hope he makes it. This brings back memories to other players who have had the same destiny, and suddenly the sport itself feels very unimportant.  :(
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Post by: Nekov on March 17, 2012, 02:00:06 PM
 :( That's very sad news. I hope he is Ok
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Post by: emindead on March 20, 2012, 06:17:41 PM
Messiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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Post by: Ruba on March 21, 2012, 04:01:20 AM
:( That's very sad news. I hope he is Ok

He can speak and move his arms and legs, but his condition was yesterday still critical.

I check for possible new news.

Nothing special.

Seems that he survives. Everything good for him.
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Post by: Nekov on March 21, 2012, 07:07:37 AM
:( That's very sad news. I hope he is Ok

He can speak and move his arms and legs, but his condition was yesterday still critical.

I check for possible new news.

Nothing special.

Seems that he survives. Everything good for him.

That's great news  :)

Also, Messi :clap:
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Post by: Zantera on March 21, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Here in Sweden, the journalists in the newspaper are almost surprised that Messi broke the record, or treating it like the biggest thing ever. Don't get me wrong, Messi is fantastic, but looking at the fact that he's what, 24? And only needed to score 1 or 2 goals to break the record. He has at least 8-9 years left where he can maintain most of his skills, and he can probably keep it up for a few years after that if he wants to. I wouldn't be shocked if Messi did over 400 or 500 goals for Barcelona, as long as he doesn't get any serious injuries. Really, what's stopping him?
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Post by: Nekov on March 21, 2012, 12:02:05 PM
Well, it's journalism. They over exaggerate everything. I believe it does deserve some media coverage because even though we all knew this was going to happen, he broke a record and deserves some praise for that.
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Post by: John94 on March 21, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
I really, really, really, hope QPR go down.
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Post by: Zantera on March 21, 2012, 04:06:13 PM
Arsenal have passed Spurs now. :) Soon Chelsea will do the same! Too bad Chelsea couldn't snatch some points from City today, still I feel 100% confident that Man U will win Premier League.
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Post by: jag66 on March 21, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
I really, really, really, hope QPR go down.

I really hope they beat liverpool.. oo looks like they did!

Does mancini have a short memory? I thought he said tevez would never play for City again..
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Post by: Zantera on March 21, 2012, 04:29:57 PM
Mancini is such a clown, wouldn't be a big shocker if he gets to leave after another season without titles. Sure he won the FA Cup last year, but with the team he has, winning no trophies... even Liverpool has won a trophy this season. I can't take a coach seriously who says "this player will never play for the club again", but then doesn't hold his word. Lame doesn't even begin to describe it.
But what's even more lame is City's fans. Seriously, applauding Tevez? He refused to be substituted, managed to bitch his way to the reserve team for half a year, lots of talk about how the city sucks, "I want to play somewhere else", yadayadayada. And they are fuckin' applauding him when he comes on? Fuck that.
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Post by: jag66 on March 21, 2012, 04:33:37 PM
Mancini is such a clown, wouldn't be a big shocker if he gets to leave after another season without titles. Sure he won the FA Cup last year, but with the team he has, winning no trophies... even Liverpool has won a trophy this season. I can't take a coach seriously who says "this player will never play for the club again", but then doesn't hold his word. Lame doesn't even begin to describe it.
But what's even more lame is City's fans. Seriously, applauding Tevez? He refused to be substituted, managed to bitch his way to the reserve team for half a year, lots of talk about how the city sucks, "I want to play somewhere else", yadayadayada. And they are fuckin' applauding him when he comes on? Fuck that.

True: the fans suit the ethos of the club really..

I reckon if fergie or wenger had that squad at their disposal they'd run away with the league.
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Post by: Nekov on March 21, 2012, 04:35:22 PM
^ That. The way Tevez handled himself should have gotten him to not play for the whole season anf the fact that he makes in the team again after 6 months of doing nothing is not good for the team at all. If I was a player that busted my ass off training every day and then see him going into the team I would be pissed off to no end.
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Post by: emindead on March 21, 2012, 04:56:24 PM
REAL MADRID TIED!!!!
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Post by: Nekov on March 30, 2012, 08:47:55 PM
So, if both Barcelona and Chelsea win this round they will be facing each other and coincidentaly I will be in London when they play at Chelsea's stadium. I know it's gonna cost a fuckton of money but it's probably going to be my only chance to watch these two great teams. Does anyone know where I can get tickets?
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Post by: Lotion on March 31, 2012, 10:05:59 AM
ahh yeaaah! Sunderland made a draw against Man. City, Arsenal lost against QPR.. and WHAT? Torres scored....

What a day.. Hope Man. United don't mess it up against B'burn on monday! Who would've thought that United would be in the leading position with their squad and injuries?
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Post by: Zantera on March 31, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
I think PL is all done now. When Man U defeats Blackburn on Monday there will be 5 points between, next weekend City have Arsenal away, where I think Arsenal will win it. (better form despite the loss today) And then (if Man U do their part) there might be a 8 points difference after the next round. I'm happy.  :)
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Post by: Zantera on April 03, 2012, 02:48:40 PM
I'm considering not watching CL at all anymore, it just tends to be the same ol' stuff over and over. I don't really blame Barca for all the diving/surround the referee/general behaviour, what makes me sad is that the referees tend to buy it 90% of the times. CL really needs better referees, it's not just a problem in the games with Barcelona, but generally I feel like the quality of them has decreased a lot over the last years. And what's up with the penalty box-referees? Have they EVER done anything? Like, being a part of a decision?  :lol
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Post by: Lotion on April 09, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
And what's up with the penalty box-referees? Have they EVER done anything? Like, being a part of a decision?  :lol

Barely noticed them, even though I know they are there.

And your(our) wish came true, ah I'm happy!! A lot has to go wrong for United to mess this up.. The interesting part of the league now is who's getting into top four. I really hope Chelsea will miss the spot, so either Newcastle or Spurs would make smile.. There's just been way too many cocky Chelsea fans the past years.

Oh, and Liverpool is just 4 points away from 14th...! :D
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Post by: Zantera on April 10, 2012, 08:20:10 AM
If I would pick with my heart, Arsenal and Newcastle would end up 3 & 4, but the logic says that Chelsea will take the 4th spot. And yeah, it may sound easy to say it now, but I did see City's drop coming. There's another very interesting game in two weeks, Arsenal - Chelsea, which will be very important for the top. I do believe Arsenal will win it, but even a draw isn't that good for Chelsea, they're still two behind Spurs. But if I didn't miss something, Newcastle are at the same points as Spurs now right? (but worse goal difference) Would be really fun to see Newcastle reach CL, they do have interesting players like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Ba and Cissé, with the extra cash they would get from going to CL, they could bring on a few more great players.
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Post by: John94 on April 10, 2012, 01:37:35 PM
Madness for Liverpool and the goalkeeper situations recently. I knew the reserve keeper (Doni or Jones) would save a penalty in Reinas absence (especially with Reinas old reputation of being a penalty stopper)

Delighted to see Brad Jones get the chance and stop that penalty especially with what has been happening in his family life.
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Post by: njdtfan on April 11, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
Man U got their ass handed to them by Wigan and Man City looked good. This race isnt over yet.  and on a great note Juventus won!
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Post by: Zantera on April 11, 2012, 03:32:54 PM
Well, to be fair I think Wigan has more to play for. While the title is certainly a huge achievement, hanging onto Premier League as a small club can be the difference between success and going under. We've all seen clubs that have gone out, and then fallen deeper and deeper.
I do think the race is over though, how often does Man U loose points against lesser teams? It happened today, but I don't see it happen much more of the season. And besides, who says that City will beat United? :P

Would have preferred a win tonight though.
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Post by: Lotion on April 12, 2012, 12:35:43 AM
Well, to be fair I think Wigan has more to play for. While the title is certainly a huge achievement, hanging onto Premier League as a small club can be the difference between success and going under. We've all seen clubs that have gone out, and then fallen deeper and deeper.
I do think the race is over though, how often does Man U loose points against lesser teams? It happened today, but I don't see it happen much more of the season. And besides, who says that City will beat United? :P

Would have preferred a win tonight though.

The hardest opponents at the end of season is always the clubs fighting for their spot in the league..The rest of the teams UTD will meet, don't have anything to play for with the exception of City... It's just too bad United always make it more interesting at the end of the season, just like last year when Chelsea was 12 points behind and at one point they were 2 or something.

I find my english very bad when discussing football.. sorry about that!
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Post by: njdtfan on April 12, 2012, 12:06:32 PM
I tend to agree, Man U has just looked a bit shaky lately. It will be hard for City to catch them and it is a must win for City when they play Man U. If they can get there, City currently holds goal differential.
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Post by: emindead on April 12, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
I'm considering not watching CL at all anymore, it just tends to be the same ol' stuff over and over.
Don't be a cry-baby. Just appeal to your nationalist gut and root for Chelsea. Is it gonna be payback? I don't think so.
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Post by: Zantera on April 12, 2012, 04:40:17 PM
I'm considering not watching CL at all anymore, it just tends to be the same ol' stuff over and over.
Don't be a cry-baby. Just appeal to your nationalist gut and root for Chelsea. Is it gonna be payback? I don't think so.

Let's face it though, Champions League has become stale. Where is the excitement? It's always the same teams, and sure there were a few surprises with Man U and City going out so fast, but am I surprised about the Semi Final-teams? No. I would probably have said Man U instead of Chelsea, but otherwise Barca, Real and Bayern were all expected to go far.
All in all I think the tournament has lost a bit of it's charm, it's especially noticeable in the group-stage where many of the big teams rest players because they face lesser teams. Another factor might be that Barca and Real are the best teams by far in Europe right now, and it would feel much more interesting if there were other teams that felt as solid.

Predictions: Real beats Bayern, Barca beats Chelsea. Real gets an early questionable red card in the final, Barca scores a goal or two, game ends.
But obviously I will cheer for Chelsea though. I think that one of the few things that are in their favour is that nobody is expecting them to do anything, if you ask a million people, there might be 5 people who thinks Chelsea has a chance.

In short terms my frustration is mostly aimed towards many of the other top teams being more shit then usual.  :P I remember the year when it was Monaco - Porto in the finals, talk about crazy year. No-one had expected any of them to go so far, so it was nice. The Liverpool-Milan final was also crazy (the one where Pool turned 0-3 to 3-3). Not sure when the last exciting final was, all I remember is Man U getting their asses handed to them by Barca.
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Post by: emindead on April 13, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
Believe it or not -before Bayern plays against Real- I think Munich is the best team right now. They are INCREDIBLY good this season. I'm quite scared, to be honest.
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Post by: Zantera on April 13, 2012, 03:16:38 PM
Believe it or not -before Bayern plays against Real- I think Munich is the best team right now. They are INCREDIBLY good this season. I'm quite scared, to be honest.
Really? I used to think so, but they have been quite uneven this season. They've had a few streaks with winning big, but they lost two times to Dortmund, and will most likely not win the league. While a final at home would be a nice carrot to do good games against Real, I think the latter is a more solid team.
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Post by: John94 on April 13, 2012, 04:31:06 PM
Semi-finals for the FA Cup this weekend. I am going with 2 tight games.

Liverpool 1 - Everton 0 (Carroll)
Tottenham 2 - Chelsea 3

Eitherway, come on Liverpool!
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Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Emindead, even you have to admit that Cuenca's penalty was cheap?  :biggrin:
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Post by: Ruba on April 15, 2012, 06:15:53 AM
Liverpool is in FA Cup finals!

We'll win two trophies. ManU wins one. Maybe  ;D.

I hope that Tottenham will be the second final team.
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Post by: John94 on April 15, 2012, 06:55:29 AM
Knew Carroll would score the winner!!

Let's go and get ourselves a domestic double!

I personally want Chelsea in the final. I'd feel more confident against them, plus I'd love to see Torres and Meireles react should we win.
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Post by: Zantera on April 15, 2012, 06:57:11 AM
Knew Carroll would score the winner!!

Let's go and get ourselves a domestic double!

I personally want Chelsea in the final. I'd feel more confident against them, plus I'd love to see Torres and Meireles react should we win.

...Or Liverpool's reaction if Torres scores the deciding goal and Chelsea wins.  :biggrin:
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Post by: John94 on April 15, 2012, 06:57:58 AM
I am wholly confident no such thing would happen.
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Post by: jag66 on April 15, 2012, 07:53:22 AM
Liverpool vs Chelsea, Carroll vs Torres (just who was the biggest utter waste of money..  :corn)
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Post by: John94 on April 15, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
Well obviously it is Torres as for £50m he has only given Chelsea about 8 goals since he signed, whereas Carroll for £35m has given us 11 goals in 51 games. Facts may be wrong but I know for a fact Carroll has scored more than Torres in all competitions. This is why I hate British media. They are quick to give Carroll stick, but call Torres "unlucky" or "trying too hard." Carroll will get little praise or media spotlight even if he scored 5 goals vs. top of the table.

Still not good, nor do I agree with the prices paid, but I stand by Torres being more of a waste of money.
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Post by: jag66 on April 15, 2012, 12:50:36 PM
Well obviously it is Torres as for £50m he has only given Chelsea about 8 goals since he signed, whereas Carroll for £35m has given us 11 goals in 51 games. Facts may be wrong but I know for a fact Carroll has scored more than Torres in all competitions. This is why I hate British media. They are quick to give Carroll stick, but call Torres "unlucky" or "trying too hard." Carroll will get little praise or media spotlight even if he scored 5 goals vs. top of the table.

Still not good, nor do I agree with the prices paid, but I stand by Torres being more of a waste of money.

Torres gets ALOT of stick from the general public, although I have heard pundits say he's played a good game 'for the team' bla bla.
As for Caroll, he's scored 2 or 3 goals recently which has improved his record slightly (granted, an important one yesterday) but I still think he's been a shadow of the player he was at newcastle previously.

More stocking ref'ing in the totenham chelsea game today!
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Post by: John94 on April 15, 2012, 01:39:49 PM
I am disgusted at the antics of some Chelsea fans during the minutes silence today.

I can't wait to play them and beat them well in memory of the 96.
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Post by: jag66 on April 15, 2012, 02:20:17 PM
I am disgusted at the antics of some Chelsea fans during the minutes silence today.

I can't wait to play them and beat them well in memory of the 96.

Pretty poor behaviour. Never had the Chelsea fans down as much dicks. Taking a leaf from members of their team it would seem..
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Post by: emindead on April 15, 2012, 06:36:01 PM
That's Ashley Young!

(http://imgur.com/WqQ3Q.gif)
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Post by: bugsyoz on April 15, 2012, 07:24:30 PM
ynwa.  Great Win.

Justice for the 96
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Post by: Ruba on April 16, 2012, 12:22:17 AM
I am wholly confident no such thing would happen.

Me too.

Chelsea is quite neutral for me. More negative than positive.

And Torres will score none, and Carroll a hat trick!

E: I saw that Ashley Young one in sports news. It was quite fun when the reporter said something like "Young was knocked over". Fuck, he knocked himself over  :P.

I hate when players do that. I haven't yet forgiven Arjen Robben of his mighty flight in World Cup quarter finals in 2010.
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Post by: Zantera on April 16, 2012, 02:12:02 AM
Ashley Young's behaviour is something I don't like. He's a great football player, but I don't tolerate diving no matter who it comes from, so it's frustrating to see. I think it was even worse against QPR because Derry got a red card for taking down Young, when there was barely any contact.
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Post by: njdtfan on April 16, 2012, 04:13:15 PM
what a week for Wigan!
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Post by: Zantera on April 18, 2012, 01:24:00 AM
Good game yesterday. Think the result keeps the game fairly open, though I think it's a better result for Real then for Bayern.
Also looking forward to the game tonight, come on Chelsea!  :hat
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Post by: Xanthul on April 18, 2012, 01:46:50 AM
It was an entertaining game but I'm becoming increasingly fed up with Mourinho. I don't get why he plays Coentrao, he's a putrid defender and doesn't do much on attack. Marcelo is way superior IMO, though I admit he has the drawback of being easily angered, as the last minutes of the game showed (he should have been ejected).

Another player I don't get his love for is Khedira. Whenever he plays the ball movement is a lot worse than when Sahin or Granero play.

Still, a decent result but considering I'm almost certain Bayern will score in Madrid, we'll have to score at least 2 goals (3 if we don't want extra time) so there's still a lot of work ahead.

Edit: Bayern is now 9 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses against Real Madrid when they play at home. I was hoping we could break this statistic this year, but I guess we'll have to wait.
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Post by: Zantera on April 18, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
CHELSEA!  :D
The game was pretty much the opposite from yesterday, instead of being fun, fast and very open, this game was very different. As usual Barca has the ball more often, long periods of the game consisted of passing sideways, and Chelsea playing defense.
Great that Chelsea won, despite having a shaky season they displayed a solid defense, and it was very important that Barca didn't get to score any goals.
I really think Chelsea can do this. Obviously they need to be as good in the next game, but if they get a corner or something and score a goal, that could be important as hell.

So yeah, to quote Xavi: "This was a victory for football".  :hat
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Post by: Zantera on April 24, 2012, 01:34:10 PM
And there goes another game. Big thanks to UEFA and the referee for putting Barca in the finals.
Awesome job!
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Post by: Zydar on April 24, 2012, 01:38:48 PM
Come on Chelsea!
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Post by: Zantera on April 24, 2012, 01:40:41 PM
I still think the result is way too little to go on for Chelsea, they need another goal if they're gonna have a chance.
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Post by: jag66 on April 24, 2012, 02:32:29 PM
Come on Chelsea!
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Post by: Zantera on April 24, 2012, 02:38:56 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!
Fernando Torres out of all players. Man, I'm so happy now. My heart is pounding, the last 15 minutes were exciting.
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Post by: jag66 on April 24, 2012, 02:45:58 PM
It had to be torres sealing barca's fate. What a dismal few days for them, all but losing the league, now this.

Chelsea vs Mourinho for the final please!
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Post by: reneranucci on April 24, 2012, 02:46:37 PM
Lol Barcelona, that was embarrasing  :rollin Playing against 10 for almost an hour, they ley Chelsea tie

I think it's very good for them and their fans to lose the League and the Champions, so they can stop being the most arrogant team on the planet, stop making demeaning commentaries about teams they consider inferior, and to reconsider their boring style of playing. They put everybody to sleep with their short passes instead of attacking aggressively, and when that doesn't work (like in the last 3 games) they always cry saying "we play the real football, our style is the best, this is so unfair, we can't do much about coward teams that only defend", etc. They have to accept that other styles are as valid as their own, and that sometimes they need to adapt to different circumstances and stop forgetting that the purpose is to score goals, not to achieve the largest number of passes.

Congratulations to Chelsea fans, they deserve this, they fought really hard. I found this very appropiate.
So yeah, to quote Xavi: "This was a victory for football".  :hat
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Post by: Zantera on April 24, 2012, 02:50:50 PM
Man, I can't imagine how the Chelsea-fans are feeling, I'm a Man U-fan but I was totally into the game.
It will be interesting to see what Barca blames this on now, after all they got both a cheap penalty and a cheap red card, so they had their chances. 3 bad games in a row now, can't all be bad luck.

Man what a great night to get me excited before seeing Steven Wilson tomorrow.  :hat
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Post by: njdtfan on April 24, 2012, 03:37:42 PM
As a HUGE Chelsea fan, I am on cloud 9. and it was a great game. Tomorrow should be interesting. Rooting for Bayern becasue i think a Chelsea v Bayern could be epic.
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Post by: toro on April 24, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Finally someone besides Mou destroyed Uefalona "circle-jerking" style of playing. I'm so fucking happy.
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Post by: Zantera on April 25, 2012, 03:00:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6RG6yxgeFE

^Gary Neville orgasming over the 2-2 goal.  :rollin
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Post by: Xanthul on April 25, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
:(

I really didn't get Mourinho in this game. Playing Kaka who is absolutely worthless, letting him and Ramos shoot penalties instead of people like Higuain or Marcelo... I was watching it in a bar and as soon as we saw Ramos was going to shoot next everyone started screaming that it was over. We even called that he would shoot it too high like he always does... what a disappointing end.

I guess we'll have to do with the Liga but winning just one cup is going to feel very underwhelming after such a strong season.
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Post by: orcus116 on April 29, 2012, 12:17:21 PM
How bout that Fernando Torres. Maybe he looked at his paychecks for once and felt bad about not doing his job.
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Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2012, 10:25:21 AM
Roy Hodgson presented the new head coach for the English national team.  :tup
Personally I think he was the better pick out of the two options, Redknapp was also speculated, but if anything Hodgson is a much stronger tactician, and while he didn't have the best of luck at Liverpool, has Dalglish really performed better despite spending several millions?
Though I'm not sure if the pick was good from a Swede's point of view. We have England in the group stage this summer, and Roy has a better knowledge about Swedish football. But hopefully we can still go through.
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Post by: jag66 on May 01, 2012, 11:53:17 AM
Hodgson doesn't appear to be the most popular choice here in the UK. I'm a little undecided, I think Harry's man management skills and respect amongst the england players would be invaluable, time will tell if Roy can make the big decisions whilst keeping people on his side. He's done well most of his career apart from with Liverpool, but i'm not sure many managers would succeed with their current crop of players in fairness.

So, looks like Man City are back in the driving seat for the Premier League title.. and they say money can't buy you trophies,  :lol
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Post by: Ruba on May 01, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
Last English coach for the English national team (Steve McClaren) was an epic fail.

Hodgson has some great merits, like almost leading the Finnish national team to European Championships ( :facepalm:). And leading Fulham to European League final was also a good result.

Knowledge about Swedish football? Sure, like the Swedish football of the 80s  :P. But if it is true, it's a great thing from a Finn's point of view  ;).

So, looks like Man City are back in the driving seat for the Premier League title.. and they say money can't buy you trophies,  :lol

YESSS! Liverpool 1 - ManU 0. And more to come  :D.
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Post by: orcus116 on May 06, 2012, 08:55:30 AM
Well that was quite the match yesterday.
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Post by: Zantera on May 06, 2012, 09:15:14 AM
Too bad City won. While I don't think Man United deserves to win the PL-title (because they've been pretty shite from time to time), it's still obvious that I would want them to win.
The two good things I feel right now, A) Spurs and Newcastle didn't take the chance, so Arsenal still has the best chance for the third spot, and I enjoy Arsenal, so I hope they grab the spot. B) The failure in Man U might lead to some changes. It has been rumoured that Kagawa might come, and that would make me happy since he's awesome. I would also love to see Hazard, but I doubt we could afford him.
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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2012, 10:56:42 AM
Good god, what an absolutely epic day of football!
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Post by: Zydar on May 13, 2012, 10:57:51 AM
My United heart bleeds right now, but damn what an exciting game that was!
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Post by: Ruba on May 13, 2012, 11:05:01 AM
United 0 trophies this season.

Pool 1 trophy this season.

FUCK YEAH!

Though I don't like City anymore, anything is better than ManU. Also Chelsea is not in top 5!  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D.

Go Magpies and Spurs!
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Post by: orcus116 on May 13, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Christ what a comeback, City.
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Post by: Zantera on May 13, 2012, 12:25:03 PM
Interesting day for football. I feel both happy and sad, for many different reasons. To sum up this day, and this season, here are some thoughts:

It might sound odd, but I'm happy with Man United's season, even though we didn't win. Lots of difficult injuries this season, Vidic has been away for all of it, Fletcher had to take a time out due to his problems. A whole new defense, De Gea is really growing with each game for me, and I think the summer-break will benefit him since he can adapt more to England, learn more English and have a proper pre-season with Man United. We've also had to play a lot with Jones and Smalling, who are both great and promising, but not "world class" yet, so I'm glad they have gotten so many games, because they have grown as players. I'm excited about signings for the next season, Kagawa is one rumour that I am very excited about, he has the creative qualities that I would really like to see in the team, and lets face it - Scholes and Giggs can't play forever. ;)
I also feel like the season wasn't decided by the games today, Man United shouldn't have lost against Wigan, or dropped points against Everton, or getting beaten twice by City this season.

Biggest surprises this year - Newcastle and Swansea. They have both played really nice football and surprised most of the viewers, and they placed higher then most people expected them to. On the contrary, Aston Villa was a major disappointment for me, and I really wanted to see them go down. McLeish is one of my least favorite managers in the league, he has very little identity with the football he wants to play, and to me he feels like a "lets grab one point instead of three"-kind of manager, and it's sad to see what he has done to Aston Villa, a team that just a few seasons ago could snatch points from even the best teams in the league.

Otherwise I would just like to congratulate Man City on the win, and Arsenal for taking the third spot. Very interesting game next week between Bayern Munich and Chelsea, I think the Tottenham-fans will be very nervous about the game.
Apart from that game I'm just looking forward to a great silly season, I'll most likely post regularly in this thread during the summer about signings here and there, and if Man United would just buy Hazard and Kagawa, I would be really happy.  :)
Also looking forward to another big tournament this summer - Euro 2012. Tough group for Sweden with France, England and Ukraine, but I think we can make it. Both England and France have shown tendencies to shake a bit, hopefully we can take advantage from that.

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Post by: ariich on May 13, 2012, 03:01:01 PM
Very interesting game next week between Bayern Munich and Chelsea, I think the Tottenham-fans will be very nervous about the game.
I only realised how that result will affect whether 4th place gets Champions League next year, so I'm so relieved that Arsenal managed to get third!

Needless to say, I'll be supporting Chelsea in the final. :biggrin:
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Post by: jag66 on May 13, 2012, 04:10:27 PM
United 0 trophies this season.

Don't forget the charity shield!  :laugh:

What a day.. amazing stuff, fitting end to the best premier league season I can remember.
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Post by: Xanthul on May 14, 2012, 04:42:02 AM
Very interesting game next week between Bayern Munich and Chelsea, I think the Tottenham-fans will be very nervous about the game.
I only realised how that result will affect whether 4th place gets Champions League next year, so I'm so relieved that Arsenal managed to get third!

Needless to say, I'll be supporting Chelsea in the final. :biggrin:

If I'm not mistaken it does affect them though (if Chelsea wins Arsenal will have to play the play-off round to get into the group stage).
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Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2012, 07:18:23 AM
Nah. From what I understand, if Chelsea wins, they get Tottenham's fourth spot, but they are also direct qualified to the tournament. Neither Arsenal or Chelsea will have to qualify. I'm not 100% sure, but I think they re-arrange the tournament slightly so that another team (that would have faced the fourth best English team) gets a direct ticket as well.

Also, today the Swedish coach, Erik Hamrén will announce the Swedish squad for Euro 2012. I'm excited about it, here's how I hope the starting line-up will look:

                       Guidetti
   Kacaniklic - Ibrahimovic - Larsson
                  Källström - Elm
M. Olsson - J. Olsson - Mellberg - Lustig
                        Isaksson

I would love to see that. Kacaniklic is a bit of an outsider, but he has done it really well in the games for Fulham that I've seen. He's fast and promising, and I don't think we have many good options on the left side. Bajrami has been on the bench a lot this season, and as much as I like Hysén, I don't think players from Allsvenskan (the Swedish league) should be in the starting squad. If Elmander comes back from his injury - good, but I still want to see what Guidetti can do. Some solid backups in Toivonen, Wernbloom and Bajrami.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 14, 2012, 10:45:36 AM
Guidetti fan eh? Only took this guy three weeks to get masssively popular with the Feyenoord fans. He´s legendary now.  ;D
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Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2012, 10:47:43 AM
Guidetti wasn't in the squad. :( I imagine it's because of his injury and that he wont be able to get well in time. Otherwise it's outrageous to pick Hysén over Guidetti.
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Post by: Zydar on May 14, 2012, 11:03:41 AM
Yeah I was confused why Guidetti wasn't in the squad, but then Hamrén said it was because of his injury. Fair enough. I would have loved to seen him in the European Championships.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 14, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
You guys didn´t know about his injury? He has a nerve-injury, that´s why he didn´t play the last three matches with Feyenoord.
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Post by: Zantera on May 14, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
I did know about the injury, but not that it was so bad. I feel bad for him, and I do think Sweden would have a better team with him. :(
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Post by: Zydar on May 14, 2012, 11:49:30 AM
Yeah I knew about the injury too, but the reports said he would be okay for the Championships. Apparently not :(
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Post by: Xanthul on May 14, 2012, 12:07:01 PM
Nah. From what I understand, if Chelsea wins, they get Tottenham's fourth spot, but they are also direct qualified to the tournament. Neither Arsenal or Chelsea will have to qualify. I'm not 100% sure, but I think they re-arrange the tournament slightly so that another team (that would have faced the fourth best English team) gets a direct ticket as well.

You're right:

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The following changes to the default allocation system above will be made depending on the result of the 2012 UEFA Champions League Final:

If Bayern Munich win
Anderlecht (the Belgian champion) are promoted from the third qualifying round to the group stage.
Basel (the Swiss champion) are promoted from the second qualifying round to the third qualifying round.
Valletta (the Maltese champion) and Linfield (champion of Northern Ireland) are promoted from the first qualifying round to the second qualifying round.
If Chelsea win
Because of the restriction that no association can have more than four teams playing in the Champions League, Tottenham Hotspur (the fourth-placed team of the 2011–12 Premier League), which would have entered in the 2012–13 Champions League play-off round, will be moved to the 2012–13 UEFA Europa League. Moreover, Braga (as the third-placed team from Portugal) and Spartak Moscow (runners-up from Russia) are promoted from the third qualifying round to the play-off round.
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Post by: toro on May 15, 2012, 11:37:45 AM
Awesome weekend for football.
City's comeback was exciting and the finals of my County's league were just as exciting.

I love football.
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Post by: Zantera on May 19, 2012, 03:37:29 PM
CHELSEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: orcus116 on May 19, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
FUCK YEAH
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Post by: cyberdrummer on May 19, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
Wow. What a match.
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Post by: rumborak on May 19, 2012, 04:33:52 PM
Overall the game was I thought not all that exciting. Bayern played better overall, but they just couldn't get it in. I loved how they had Neuer deliver one of the penalty kicks :lol

rumborak
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Post by: cyberdrummer on May 19, 2012, 04:38:48 PM
Yeah I agree, it didn't really get good till about 70 mins. After that, it was European football at its best, so tense.

And so happy an English team has finally beaten the Germans in a penalty shootout!
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Post by: rumborak on May 19, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
Haha yeah, probably a lot of people sat in English homes thinking "Aww great, penalty shots against Germany again." :lol

rumborak
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Post by: cyberdrummer on May 19, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
I'm almost certain we'll now lose to Germany in the Euros, on penalties. It'll definitely come back to haunt us. Gareth Southgate all over again...
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Post by: Ruba on May 20, 2012, 02:40:39 AM
United 0 trophies this season.

Don't forget the charity shield!  :laugh:

Oh shit. Then we're tied.

I saw the penalties. Strange to be excited for Chelsea. I guess I hate Bayern Munchen very much. Pity that Tottenham isn't in Champions League next season, but they'll kick Arsenal's ass big time next PL season.

And so happy an English team has finally beaten the Germans in a penalty shootout!

And German (Schweinsteiger) missed a penalty and gave Drogba the keys of won. David Luiz's penalty was absolutely amazing.
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Post by: Zantera on May 20, 2012, 03:00:12 AM
Man, what a game. I had to collect my thoughts and sleep on it, that was a crazy night, and that comes from a Man United-fan.  :lol
Game was pretty much like I had expected, Bayern having most of the possession and creating chances, Chelsea focusing more on their defensive strengths, fighting tough. Some people say Chelsea won with a boring way of playing football, and that they should have attacked more, I think that's silly. Chelsea has probably their worst squad in 10 years, and if you compare their current offensive players against Bayern's, then the latter will have the advantage.
Chelsea again did a perfect game, very solid defense and they picked their attacks very well. Drogba still remains one of the best attackers, he might not be as fast anymore, but in the penalty-box he is dangerous.

Di Matteo did the impossible, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that nobody had expected Chelsea to win CL, not this year. If this performance doesn't give Di Matteo a lifelong-contract or that he gets knighted among the monks of Mongolia, I don't know what will.
When Mata missed his penalty I thought Chelsea would go out, but they managed to score the other 4, and the night was just crazy. Chelsea totally deserved it though, if you can defeat big teams like Napoli, Barcelona and Bayern Münich on the way, you deserve to win.

Also nice to see Harry Rednose and Tottenham play EL next year.  :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 20, 2012, 03:53:47 AM
Well, that was totally undeserved, but hey....that´s football for you. When you´re missing penalty´s it´s gonna bite you in the ass.
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Post by: Zantera on May 20, 2012, 12:27:09 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/163558_10150788330401933_185733581932_9681343_1772926181_n.jpg)  :rollin
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Post by: Zydar on May 20, 2012, 01:07:11 PM
haha :lol
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Post by: jag66 on May 20, 2012, 01:38:58 PM
Who'd have bet on Chelsea winning a penalty shoot out to germans in their own back yard, brilliant! :lol
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Post by: LCArenas on May 21, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
Chelsea were lucky. Scoring last-minute goals against Barcelona and Bayern is just wow. But to be fair they deserved it. They've gone to the finals multiple times and lost.
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Post by: Zantera on May 21, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Actually, the only time Chelsea has made it to the finals before was in 08 when Man United won on penalties. But that was such a painful experience that Chelsea really deserved to win it this time. :P

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Post by: Zantera on May 24, 2012, 05:41:01 AM
So the Hazard transfer-saga has me on edge. I really hope he joins Man United, if he does then I'm totally changing my avatar to #7 Hazard. While City and Chelsea could offer more cash, Man United still remains a bigger club, and he will get lots of playtime. And we have the best manager, so.
There's also still talks about Kagawa, if we landed both then I could die happy.  :D

Just imagine a team looking something like this:

 Hazard - Rooney - Nani
               Kagawa
        Carrick - Cleverley
Evra - Vidic - Ferdinand - Rafael
               De Gea

With awesome back-up in Valencia, Young, Hernandez, Welbeck, Scholes and Giggs. :caffeine:

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Post by: cyberdrummer on May 24, 2012, 12:09:49 PM
United also linked strongly in the British press with Leighton Baines. Could be a good replacement for Evra, who had a poor season in my opinion.
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Post by: Zantera on June 05, 2012, 04:45:37 AM
Shinji Kagawa to Man United (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jun/manchester-united-agree-shinji-kagawa-transfer.aspx)

(http://i.minus.com/izdtC5xlBidwZ.gif)
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Post by: Zydar on June 05, 2012, 04:49:21 AM
Yeah I just read that. I don't know anything about him, but I'm still excited about this.
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Post by: Zantera on June 05, 2012, 04:59:26 AM
He's really good. I've followed Dortmund quite a bit this season, and getting a creative and offensive midfielder is just what we need IMO. Also a nice replacement for Scholes.
I would say that Kagawa was Dortmund's best player last season. Götze had some injuries, otherwise Lewandowski and Hummels were great as always, but Kagawa really shined.

Also, Kagawa's statistics for the last season in Dortmund:
Games: 45 Goals: 21 Assists: 10

Quite nice for a midfielder.  :) It's interesting because I saw a comparison with Hazard, and Kagawa has actually done more goals/assists I believe overall, so getting Kagawa cheaper is a nice deal.
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Post by: Nekov on June 05, 2012, 08:41:01 AM
First time I've heard of that guy. Not sure it that's the kind of player MU needs right now but I hope he helps improve the team.
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Post by: Zantera on June 05, 2012, 08:55:23 AM
First time I've heard of that guy. Not sure it that's the kind of player MU needs right now but I hope he helps improve the team.

A quality-player is always needed, even in a team like Man United. Besides, he's better then all of our central midfielders so it's a nice addition to the squad. :)
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 05, 2012, 12:02:11 PM
Well the Euro starts this Friday so here are my predictions on who will advance in the groups.

Group A- Greece, Russia, Czech Republic, Poland
Group B- Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark
Group C- Spain, Italy, Croatia, Ireland
Group D- France, England, Sweden, Ukraine
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Post by: Zantera on June 05, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
Okay, here's my prediction:


Group A- Greece, Russia, Czech Republic, Poland
Group B- Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark
Group C- Spain, Italy, Croatia, Ireland
Group D- France, England, Sweden, Ukraine
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Post by: Nekov on June 05, 2012, 12:33:38 PM
Group A- Greece, Russia, Czech Republic, Poland
Group B- Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark
Group C- Spain, Italy, Croatia, Ireland
Group D- France, England, Sweden, Ukraine
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Post by: Ruba on June 06, 2012, 01:12:05 AM
Group A- Greece, Russia, Czech Republic, Poland
Group B- Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark
Group C- Spain, Italy, Croatia, Ireland
Group D- France, England, Sweden, Ukraine

Every team in group B is better than any team in group B.

Italy will fail again. They have failed two times in a row and the last World Championships. Though they may not play in EC at all.

Seriously Nekov? (I understand Zantera, because he's a Swede.) France hasn't lost an international game in long time, they have at least drew their last 21 matches.

I don't like France, but still.

Spain wins. Germany takes the silver medals.
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Post by: Zantera on June 06, 2012, 01:17:52 AM
Personally I think both France and England falls under the "have good teams but havent shown it", but if anything I'd say that England has a higher chance of going out than France. Honestly I think the group feels very open, let's not forget that Ukraine is one of the hosts so they might take some points as well.
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Post by: Nekov on June 06, 2012, 06:28:01 AM
Well, to be honest I haven't been following France lately and I still have the pathetic image they left during the world cup. I take Sweden over them because they are in transition right now with a lot of younger guys and I'm not sure they will be able to deal with the pressure this kind of tournament has.
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Post by: OsMosis2259 on June 06, 2012, 09:22:19 AM
Should be very interesting and some unexpected things could happen.

Its always an advantage when you are the host so Ukraine and Poland could have a big chance to get through too.
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Post by: YtseBitsySpider on June 12, 2012, 10:35:48 AM
Greece plays soccer like they pay taxes.


good grief....why not just forfeit....there's no bailout coming here.
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Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on June 12, 2012, 11:29:37 AM
Every team in group B is better than any team in group B.

Mind=Blown
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Post by: Zantera on June 29, 2012, 11:45:20 AM
So, Man United and Barcelona are meeting each other in a friendly game right here in Gothenburg in August.
I want to go so badly that I'd be willing to sell a kidney for a ticket, but they are a bit expensive. I'm hoping for a miracle that I'll win money this weekend on football-games, and that I'll be able to afford them.  :lol

Man, I would die inside if I missed the chance to see my favorite team, right here in my backyard.
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Post by: ariich on June 29, 2012, 12:54:02 PM
Your favourite team but also your most hated team. :lol
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Post by: Zantera on June 29, 2012, 12:55:55 PM
Yeah but that makes it even more interesting.  :millahhhh
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Post by: Zantera on July 02, 2012, 02:51:09 AM
I JUST FIXED TICKETS! I'M SEEING MAN UNITED IN A MONTH! :caffeine: :caffeine:
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Post by: John94 on August 17, 2012, 09:57:48 AM
Bump for the new season (Premier League) tomorrow.

Hope we (Liverpool) get off to a good start and win our first game against West Brom. I can see us either winning 3/4-0 or getting beat 1-0.


Transfer wise, Van Persie to Man Utd is a shocker for me!
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Post by: Zydar on August 17, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
I'm really looking forward to the Premier League start tomorrow. As a United fan I'm really excited and happy about the Van Persie transfer. That's one major step up towards winning the league title. But I think City will be even tougher this season, although they are the favourites now - that can be a burden.
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Post by: Zantera on August 17, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
Been meaning to post here for a while about some transfers, the situation before the league starts pretty much. Waited until now because transfers happen, and 3 days ago RVP was still in Arsenal for example, so things change fast.
I can't describe enough how excited I am for tomorrow, seeing both Arsenal - Sunderland, and afterwards Newcastle - Tottenham. Also seeing both games on Sunday and Man United on Monday.
Anyhow, I thought I would share some of the transfer-situation regarding the BIG clubs. The clubs that will most likely have something to say in the table this year. Some people might have missed transfers, so this way it gets summed up quite nicely. Starting alphabetically:

*Arsenal
In: Olivier Giroud (Montpellier), Lukas Podolski (Köln), Santi Cazorla (Malaga)
Out: Robin Van Persie (Man United), Alex Song (Barcelona, not 100% confirmed, but likely), Denilson (Sao Paolo), Joel Campbell (Betis), Manuel Almunia (Watford), Carlos Vela (Real Sociedad), Gavin Hoyte (Dag & Red)

*Chelsea
In: Eden Hazard (Lille), Oscar (Internacional), Marko Marin (Werder Bremen), Thorgan Hazard (Lens)
Out: Didier Drogba (Shanghai Shenhua) Jacob Mellis (Barnsley), Salomon Kalou (Lille), Jose Bosingwa (Queens Park Rangers), Ulises Davila (Sabadell, loan), Milan Lakovic (Guimaraes, loan), Matej Delac (Guimaraes, loan), Kevin De Bruyne (Werder Bremen, loan), Romalu Lukaku (West Brom, loan)

*Liverpool
In: Fabio Borini (Roma), Joe Allen (Swansea), Oussama Assaidi (Herenveen), Brendan Rodgers (new manager, Swansea)
Out: Dirk Kuyt (Fenerbache), Fabio Aurelio (Gremio), David Amoo (Preston North End), Stephen Darby (Bradford), Maxi Rodriguez (Newell's Old Boys), Alberto Aquilani (Fiorentina), Craig Bellamy (Cardiff)

*Manchester City
In: Jack Rodwell (Everton)
Out: Owen Hargreaves, Stuart Taylor, Vladimir Weiss (Pescara), Mohammed Abu (Rayo Vallecano, loan), Wayne Bridge (Brighton)

*Manchester United
In: Shinji Kagawa (Dortmund), Robin Van Persie (Arsenal), Nick Powell (Crewe), Angelo Hernandez (Universidad)
Out: Fabio (Queens Park Rangers, loan), Tomasz Kuszczak (Brighton), Richie De Laet (Leicester), Matty James (Leicester) Michael Owen, Park Ji-Sung (Queens Park Rangers), Ezekiel Fryers, Paul Pogba (Juventus), Ben Amos (Hull, loan)

*Tottenham
In: Gylfi Sigurdsson (Hoffenheim), Jan Vertonghen (Ajax), André Villas-Boas (new manager, Chelsea)
Out: Vedran Corluka (Lokomotiv Moscow), Niko Kranjcar (Dynamo Kiev), Ryan Nelsen (Queens Park Rangers), Louis Saha (Sunderland), Ben Alnwick, Oscar Jansson (Shamrock Rovers), Steven Pienaar (Everton), Ledley King (retires), Bongani Khumalo (PAOK, loan), Luka Modric (Real Madrid)

Those 6 teams will most likely be the big ones to watch out for. I could have done this for all teams, but I don't think anyone is interested enough, and the post would be even longer.  :lol
I'll also predict how I think the table will look after the season:

1. Man United
2. Arsenal
3. Man City
4. Chelsea
5. Liverpool
6. Tottenham
7. Newcastle
8. Everton
9. Fulham
10. Aston Villa
11. Sunderland
12. West Bromwich
13. Norwitch
14. Southampton
15. Swansea
16. Stoke
17. Wigan
18. West Ham
19. Queens Park Rangers
20. Reading

Some comments:
I'm really interested in seeing Arsenal this season. Fantastic additions in Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla (the latter possibly the best transfer in PL this summer), and while RVP is leaving, I don't think he will be as missed as you would expect. Wilshere will also be coming back, he also got the nr10 jersey, and Vermaelen is a new captain.
Man United has done some great transfers. Kagawa and Powell has me very excited. RVP is another deal. I really didn't want Man U to buy him, because the price was high, he is getting older, injuries and no matter what he does, he will still be an Arsenal player in my eyes. Still, a partnership with Rooney might be amazing.
Liverpool and Tottenham have new managers, who I feel will be good additions to both teams. Both will be interesting to follow, though Spurs needs to buy strikers.

Regarding the parts of the table that aren't related to the very top, I'm very interested in seeing Aston Villa under Paul Lambert. Last season they were almost relegated due to having a shitty manager, but this new manager plus some new players looks promising. I think they can get a top 10 spot. It will also be interesting to see how Newcastle will follow up their previous successful season, not that many transfers, but they've kept most of their squad, so it looks good.

I've also taken out my fantasy squad here: http://puu.sh/WiGV
I'm pretty happy with it.  :P

Oh well, that's it for now. But I'm gonna keep coming back with big ass posts, because PL is such a huge interest for me. I try to watch at least 4-5 games per week.
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Post by: John94 on August 18, 2012, 05:59:56 AM
Here is my fantasy team.  http://i46.tinypic.com/22ypkx.png

1. Man City
2. Man Utd
3. Chelsea
4. Liverpool
5. Arsenal
6. Tottenham
7. Everton
8. Fulham
9. Newcastle
10. Sunderland
11. QPR
12. Aston Villa
13. West Ham
14. Swansea
15. West Brom
16. Stoke
17. Wigan
18. Norwich
19. Southampton
20. Reading
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Post by: jag66 on August 18, 2012, 06:43:20 AM
I have a feeling Man City will win again with Man U close behind. Haven't missed the premier league as there's been so much other sport on, but now it's back i'm glad!
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Post by: orcus116 on August 19, 2012, 07:24:44 AM
Chelsea: offense for the first 6, defense for the last 84 apparently.
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Post by: Zantera on August 25, 2012, 02:36:36 AM
Finally it's time for the second week of Premier League. For those who missed it, Chelsea played an extra game against Reading during the week (Chelsea won 4-2), this because Chelsea has the European cup-game against Athletico Madrid next weekend.
Anyhow, the games this weekend: (I'll do what I did last year, games in bold are the ones I'm going to see myself, the 1, X or 2 after the game is my thought about the outcome. 1 means homewin, X means a draw and 2 means the away team wins) :P
Also, times are British.

Today (Saturday):

[12:45] Swansea - West Ham (1) 
[15:00] Manchester United - Fulham (1)
[15:00] Aston Villa - Everton (X)
[15:00] Norwich - Queens Park Rangers (1)   
[15:00] Southampton - Wigan (1)
[15:00] Sunderland - Reading (1)
[15:00] Tottenham - West Bromwich (X)
[17:30] Chelsea - Newcastle (1)

Tomorrow (Sunday):

[13:30] Stoke - Arsenal (2)
[16:30] Liverpool - Manchester City (X)

Some thoughts about the games this weekend:

Swansea and Fulham both came out of amazing games last weekend when both teams won with 5-0. (Swansea did it against QPR, Fulham against Norwich) And I think both teams will be interesting to see now. Swansea plays at home against West Ham, another newcomer, and I think Swansea has a very good opportunity here. I would put some money on them for sure. Fulham on the other side has a tricky game away against Man United. While I am a fan of Man United, there is a lot of injuries in the defense, and it's not at all impossible for Fulham to get away with a point today, especially not if their offense is as great as in the last game.
Everton did a great job of defeating Man United last weekend, today they have Aston Villa away, a team that wants to win after dropping points in the first game. I predict a tight game that could end just about every way possible, but I'm feeling a draw.
Norwich - QPR is pretty much the battle of the losers. Both teams lost the first week with 5-0, and didn't really do anything right at all. This time both wants points badly, and like the Villa - Everton game, I think this could go either way.
Southampton - Wigan is another interesting game. Two teams that want to play a nice attacking football, but lacks a good defense. This could turn out to be the goal-fest, and I think both teams has the chance to win it.
Sunderland faces Reading. Tricky game, but Sunderland did a good job of defending against Arsenal last weekend, and they do have more experience of playing in the league.

Tottenham takes on West Bromwich in what looks to be another very tough game this weekend. Tottenham lost last weekend against Newcastle (result was 2-1), and while Tottenham played very good, they didn't get anything for it. West Brom on the other hand defeated Liverpool with 3-0, a very impressive victory. While on one hand, Tottenham is going for their first points, I feel like West Brom might be one tough cookie.
In the late game today, Chelsea takes on Newcastle. What a lovely game. Newcastle has shown us by now that they can take on the big teams, and Chelsea did show some mistakes in the defense against Reading. Hazard is on fire though, so far in the two games for Chelsea he has given them two penalties (both were correct) and he has already done 3 goal-assists, so I feel pretty lucky that I picked him in my fantasy team.  :lol Either way, I think he might score his first goal tonight. If not, we'll still probably see some magic. I predict a tight game, but my feeling is that Chelsea takes it.

Two interesting games tomorrow. Stoke - Arsenal has been one of Arsenal's harder games over the last seasons, mostly because Stoke play very physical and rough, compared to Arsenal's more modern way of attacking. While a draw feels most logical here, I'm going to go with Arsenal. They didn't look as bad as people say against Sunderland, and Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud are all great additions to the team. Who will score? That's the question.
Liverpool - City is probably the BIG game of the weekend. While City are favorites, they haven't won on Anfield for quite a while now, and Liverpool are very strong at home. I'd say either a draw or a win for Pool, but City might prove me wrong. A very open game.

So yeah, just some thoughts. :)


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Post by: orcus116 on August 25, 2012, 02:57:34 PM
Well, Hazard did get his first.
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Post by: John94 on August 27, 2012, 06:28:56 AM
I can't help but feel disappointed after the Man City game. A simple clearance would've prevented their second goal but no.
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Post by: Nekov on August 28, 2012, 09:39:13 AM
So, I just read that Nicolas Bertolo from Palermo received a fine of 2000 Euros for diving in the area during the match against Napoli. Do you think the different leagues around the world should start doing this? What possible problems do you see? I think this could help the sport to get rid of lots of simulations
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Post by: Zantera on August 28, 2012, 10:26:11 AM
To be honest I would love seeing more penalties regarding diving, if that's a fine or more cards, that doesn't matter that much. Right now the sport is rewarding cheaters, since diving often results in cards on the other player or a penalty, so I really think they should stop it.
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Post by: Nekov on August 30, 2012, 10:56:46 AM
Champions groups have been drawn. Group D will be very interesting

GROUP A

Porto
Dinamo de Kiev
PSG
Dinamo Zagreb

GROUP B

Arsenal
Schalke 04
Olympiakos
Montpellier

GROUP C

Milan
Zenit de Rusia
Anderlecht de Bélgica
Málaga

GROUP D

Real Madrid
Manchester City
Ajax
Borussia Dortmund

GROUP E

Chelsea
Shakhtar
Juventus
Nordsjælland

GROUP F

Bayern Munich
Valencia
Lille de Francia
Bate Borisov de Bielorrusia

GROUP G

Barcelona
Benfica de Portugal
Spartak de Mouscú
Celtic de Escocia

GROUP H

Manchester United
Sporting Braga de Portugal
Galatasaray de Turquía
Cluj de Rumania
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Post by: Zantera on August 30, 2012, 11:00:07 AM
Pretty happy with Manchester United's group. Group D looks tough.
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Post by: Nekov on August 30, 2012, 11:06:15 AM
While we are at it, predictions:

A: Porto - PSG
B: Arsenal - Schalke 04
C: Milan - Malaga
D: Real Madrid (I really hope they don't but I'm being realistic) - Manchester City
E: Chelsea - Juventus
F: Bayern Munich - Valencia
G: Barcelona - Benfica
H: Manchester Utd - Galatasaray
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Post by: Zantera on August 31, 2012, 04:50:04 PM
Some interesting transfers done on deadline-day, I'm too tired to go through them all, but here are some of the bigger ones:

*Dimitar Berbatov - Fulham (from Man United)
*Hugo Lloris - Tottenham (from Lyon)
*Clint Dempsey - Tottenham (from Fulham)
*Michael Essien - Real Madrid (from Chelsea, on loan)
*Scott Sinclair - Man City (from Swansea)
*Maicon - Man City (from Inter)
*Andy Carroll - West Ham (from Liverpool, on loan)


There's more at: http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/clockwatch

Anyhow, I'm going to be out tomorrow most of the morning/day (won't get home until the 15:00 games start), but here are the games in Premier League this weekend: (result afterwards is my prediction of the outcome, games in bold are the ones I'm seeing myself)

Saturday:

[12:45] West Ham - Fulham (2)
[15:00] Swansea - Sunderland (1)
[15:00] Tottenham - Norwich (1)
[15:00] West Bromwich - Everton (X)
[15:00] Wigan - Stoke (1)
[17:30] Manchester City - Queens Park Rangers (1)

Sunday:

[13:30] Liverpool - Arsenal (X)
[17:00] Newcastle - Aston Villa (1)
[17:00] Southampton - Manchester United (2)

Comments:

Really interested in seeing some new players this weekend. Sahin should be able to debut for Liverpool against Arsenal (probably the biggest highlight of the weekend, despite Man United also playing afterwards), a game that will be interesting. Liverpool looked fantastic against Man City and should have gotten 3 points. Arsenal haven't scored a single goal yet (but on the other hand two clean sheets), so if they loose this game and don't score any goals, people will start asking what the fuck is up, and why they didn't buy any more players.
Will also be interesting seeing Man United (hopefully 3 points), Tottenham with some new players, and to see if Swansea can keep doing well.

If anyone wonders why Chelsea and Reading aren't playing, they had their game last week, because Chelsea had the supercup-game against Athletico Madrid tonight. (Chelsea lost by 4-1)

Also, regarding Arsenal's transfer-situation. They've actually gone plus this year again, which is really crazy. I know a lot of people question Wenger, but as far as I'm concerned, people should be questioning the board instead. If Wenger could, he would bring on players to really improve the game, but the board is more interested in seeing the team go well financially, than to spend any money. It's a shame.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 03, 2012, 02:14:58 AM
So van Persie scored three for Man U. Nice, only wish he'd do that in the Dutch team sometime. But hey. 
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Post by: jag66 on September 03, 2012, 03:00:55 AM
So van Persie scored three for Man U. Nice, only wish he'd do that in the Dutch team sometime. But hey.

Good job he did cos he would have been flamed for that penalty miss otherwise..
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Post by: Zantera on September 15, 2012, 02:05:22 AM
So finally, time for football again. Last weekend was all about international games (which I have really no interest in), so it's great to have the real football back again. :D
The games in Premier League this weekend: (in bold are the ones I'm seeing, number after is my guess at the result)

Today:

[12:45] Norwich - West Ham (X)
[15:00] Arsenal - Southampton (1)
[15:00] Aston Villa - Swansea (X)
[15:00] Fulham - West Bromwich (X)
[15:00] Man United - Wigan (1)
[15:00] Queens Park Rangers - Chelsea (2)
[15:00] Stoke - Man City (X)
[17:30] Sunderland - Liverpool (2)

Tomorrow:

[16:00] Reading - Tottenham (2)

Monday:

[20:00] Everton - Newcastle (1)


Thoughts:
Should be a good weekend. A bit sad over the fact that almost all of the top-teams go out at 15:00 today, would have loved it if Man United or Arsenal for example had their game early tomorrow (normally there's 2 on Sundays), but I'll live I guess. If anyone wonders why I'm seeing Chelsea over my team (Man United), it's because that's the game they're showing on TV here, so I have to settle with it.  ;)
Sunderland - Pool sounds like an interesting game as well.

Also, I thought I would mention that you should probably prepare for an epic day next Sunday. First we have the classic game between Liverpool and Man United, and after that there is Manchester City against Arsenal. If there's one Sunday where you bunk up with chips, beer and whatever, it's next Sunday. :)
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Post by: Zantera on September 22, 2012, 02:53:21 AM
Champions League has finally started as well, was happy to see Man United win, even if the game was very tight. Man City on the other hand lost, and I think the group will be very tough for them now, both Real Madrid and Dortmund are at 3 points, so it will be tough. Anyhow, time for more Premier League this weekend, the games: (games in bold are the ones I'm seeing myself, result afterwards is my thoughts on the possible outcome)

Today:

[12:45] Swansea - Everton (X)
[15:00] Chelsea - Stoke (1)
[15:00] Southampton - Aston Villa (X)
[15:00] West Bromwich - Reading (1)
[15:00] West Ham - Sunderland (1)
[15:00] Wigan - Fulham (2)

Tomorrow:

[13:30] Liverpool - Manchester United (2)
[15:00] Newcastle - Norwich (1)
[16:00] Manchester City - Arsenal (2)
[16:00] Tottenham - Queens Park Rangers (1) 

Thoughts:
Saturday naturally falls in the shadow of the awesomeness of tomorrow, but there are highlights. Swansea - Everton promises to be an interesting game with two teams that have impressed us so far, and it could be a very funny and entertaining game. At 15:00 I'm seeing Chelsea - Stoke, Chelsea are in the hunt for another 3 points, but Stoke has shown us before that they can make life hard for the good teams. Wigan - Fulham is another very interesting game, Wigan have shown us that they can play good football, but Fulham have been looking strong with the addition of Berbatov, and their new interesting Swede, Kacaniklic on the left wing. That game could go either way, but I hold Fulham as small favorites.

But tomorrow is very much the highlight of the weekend. Liverpool - Man United is not only a huge game because of history and rivalry, but they are the two most successful clubs in England, and Man United recently passed Liverpool with getting 1 more league title, so it should be a good game. Liverpool has impressed me so far in the league, they've played some amazing football, but haven't gotten much points for it. Trouble with the scoring. This game could go either way, I'm holding my team as favorites, but Liverpool might as well win it. I wouldn't be sad if we only got 1 point, but that also depends a bit on other results.
Manchester City - Arsenal is the other highlight of the day. I haven't been that impressed by City so far in the league, but Arsenal has really grown. The game against Montpellier this week in CL wasn't the best, but they won after all. Arsenal also has a fairly decent history against City, they won with 1-0 on Emirates last season, and if you go back 2 (?) seasons, Arsenal won on Etihad Stadium with 3-0, so they've shown in the past that they can beat City. City will probably be favorites though, but gogo Arsenal.
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Post by: orcus116 on September 22, 2012, 04:12:02 PM
Fuck yeah, Chelsea.
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Post by: Zydar on September 23, 2012, 08:26:14 AM
Great victory for Man United against Liverpool :metal
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Post by: Nekov on October 16, 2012, 03:30:07 PM
Way to go Sweden! Puting a comeback against Germany being 4-0 down and with only half an hour left is not something you do every day. Congrats!
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Post by: Zydar on October 17, 2012, 12:14:17 AM
Yeah I don't know what to say... I'm speechless about it all. That was the strangest game I've ever watched.
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Post by: Zantera on October 17, 2012, 01:18:30 AM
I honestly thought that Germany would win by 6-0 or something so I felt pretty shocked as well. I did witness something similar last year when Arsenal had 4-0 against Newcastle at half time, but Newcastle managed to go up to 4-4.
Still, crazy game.  :lol
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Post by: Scorpion on October 17, 2012, 03:49:00 AM
I wasn't able to watch the second half of the game and when I saw the score I was all like "WTF is this shit?"
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Post by: Ruba on October 17, 2012, 11:39:48 AM
Good luck indeed.

We can't even beat Georgia at home  :censored.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 18, 2012, 01:54:09 AM
Me as well.. first saw that 4-0 score then twenty minutes later or so It was 4-3 I was like 'What?!'  :omg: Better watch this....

Off course, there was a foul by Ibrahimovitz prior to the 4-4 (elbow) but hey..
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Post by: Zantera on November 03, 2012, 03:59:48 AM
Haven't posted here in a while, sorry been kinda busy. But I'm posting here now, hopefully we can get the thread a bit more active, seeing as football is the ultimate sport. ;)
The Premier League this weekend: (Games in bold are the ones I'm seeing)

Today:
[12:45] Manchester United vs Arsenal
[15:00] Fulham vs Everton
[15:00] Norwich vs Stoke
[15:00] Sunderland vs Aston Villa
[15:00] Swansea vs Chelsea
[15:00] Tottenham vs Wigan
[17:30] West Ham - Manchester City

Tomorrow:
[13:30] Queens Park Rangers - Reading
[16:00] Liverpool - Newcastle

Especially excited about Man United - Arsenal. Hopefully it will be a good game, and I want to see Man United win without the referee giving them horrible advantages like last weekend against Chelsea.
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Post by: Zydar on November 03, 2012, 04:02:27 AM
I'll be watching the Man United game, I wouldn't mind Van Persie scoring a couple of goals against his former team ;D
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 15, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
Dat commentator!  :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzvQCbdAIZQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzvQCbdAIZQ)

That goal was just craazy!
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Post by: chknptpie on November 26, 2012, 04:04:38 PM
Times are tough at the Ptpie household without hockey and the Mr. is attempting to get into football.

I'm having a hard time following the league set up. I wish I had some sort of visual that helped better explain. I think I have a general understanding, but then go and get the UEFA Champ league confused with the English Champ league.  :loser:

 
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Post by: Nekov on November 26, 2012, 07:21:59 PM
 :lol

Easy to get confused if you are not familiar. So, basically you have all the domestic leagues in each country, the league cups which are cups that are played along all the divisions from one country, and then you have the UEFA Champions League and the Europa League which are continental competitions in Europe.
The only way to differentiate the continental ones from the domestic ones is if you know the teams since you'll know which country they're from.

I don't know if this will help you or add more to your confusion, sorry if the later  :)
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Post by: chknptpie on November 26, 2012, 07:33:51 PM
Thats basically a great summary of what I've spent the entire day trying to figure out!  :rollin

Looks like a few of the groups in the UEFA are very interesting going into this weekend. I don't have a team that I root for yet - who does each person on here root for? I assume its mostly teams local for the European board members?

Also - what other big name players are out there? I know Messie and Ronaldo... but thats it.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 27, 2012, 12:32:53 AM
Messi and Ronaldo, yeah, that's about it....lol, why not take the absolute best?

Well, all Dutch teams are out, so yeah, basically, we suck. Always liked Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal. Won't bore you with Djnepr Djneprpretrovsk (say that three times fast) Or teams like Zenith St. Petersburg. Paris St. Germain (French team) is always nice with Zlatan Ibrahimovitz. Italian teams: AC Milan or Juventus this year.

Oh and for a good outsider, FC Bayern Munich or Schalke 04 are always nice teams to follow, plus the Portugese contignent with Braga, Porto, Benfica....

Also worth noting: January sees the start of the African Cup. If you can find it somewhere (I use Eurosport) it's a very fresh, festive and colourful (duhh) tournement with often chaotic but at least free flowing footbal.

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Post by: John94 on November 27, 2012, 04:52:54 AM
This may sound totally biased but to me the Champions League is boring without Liverpool in it.
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Post by: Nekov on November 27, 2012, 05:09:56 AM
I like Barcelona a lot, my favorite team from Europe. From Italy I follow Juventus and from England I like Tottenham.
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Post by: chknptpie on December 06, 2012, 11:49:42 AM
So far I'm liking Juventus. However, I keep hearing the name pronounced in so many different ways.

You-ven-toose
You-ven-tiss
Who-ven-toose
Who-ven-tiss
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Post by: toro on December 06, 2012, 03:04:07 PM
Definetly not those last two.

On other news Shaktar, Juve, PSG and Borussia have been playing some sweet sweet football.
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Post by: Nekov on December 07, 2012, 05:25:15 AM
Yes they have, I'm very eager to see the draws for the Champions League, there should be some interesting matches.

So far I'm liking Juventus. However, I keep hearing the name pronounced in so many different ways.

You-ven-toose

You're following the right Italian team :tup. And that one would be the right pronunciation
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Post by: Nekov on January 07, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
And Messi gets his 4th consecutive Golden Ball. :clap:
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Post by: njdtfan on January 07, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
I never thought there would be a better player thane Pele. I have been fortunate enough to have seen/ met, even ate dinner a few times with him. The greatest soccer player i thought could never be surpassed. What we are now witnessing with Messi, is truly amazing. Only 25 years old, we are witnessing the greatest soccer player ever right now.
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Post by: njdtfan on January 07, 2013, 01:24:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXrltgfrrqw

all of Leo's goals this year. Impressive.
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Post by: chknptpie on January 07, 2013, 01:47:09 PM
Do you mean Ballon d'or? I looked up the Golden Ball and that's a World Cup thing.
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Post by: Nekov on January 07, 2013, 01:47:53 PM
Do you mean Ballon d'or? I looked up the Golden Ball and that's a World Cup thing.

Yeah. I was translating that.
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Post by: chknptpie on January 07, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
I tried to do a google translate on Ballon d'or and got nothing! So it does mean "golden ball"?
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Post by: Nekov on January 07, 2013, 01:57:28 PM
Yep. I guess so. That's how it's translated to spanish plus the trophy is a huge golden ball  :laugh:
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Post by: orcus116 on January 07, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
They had a selection of Messi goals on 60 Minutes last night. Every one was outstanding. There was one he scored like 8 seconds into the game.
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Post by: Progmetty on January 09, 2013, 12:51:30 PM
That guy is amazing at getting sharp angles and smooth overheads at one-on-one situations. My favorite soccer player remains Ronaldo (the Brazilian one) but I have to admit Messi is pretty amazing.
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Post by: chknptpie on February 10, 2013, 01:01:33 PM
Does anyone watch BeIN Sport feeds for Barca? Roy Hudson makes the most hilarious statements:

Moves he learned from Bernie Madoff
Traveling at the speed of the USS enterprise
Messi knows the laws of physics, but the laws of physics don't know Messi!
He made those defenders disappear like the kids on Blair witch!
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Post by: Scorpion on February 11, 2013, 11:08:28 AM
Thoughts on the big scandal? Is there anything out concerning which exact games were affected?
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Post by: chknptpie on February 11, 2013, 12:11:19 PM
Well we are looking at:

Quote
About 380 of the suspicious matches were played in Europe, and a further 300 were identified in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.

between 2008 and 2011

Thats a lot of games and a pretty wide timeframe.
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Post by: toro on February 13, 2013, 05:52:00 AM
The first thing that came to my mind when reading the article was:
Barça. Chelsea. 2009.
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Post by: Zantera on February 13, 2013, 08:30:52 AM
Haha yeah. Barcelona - Chelsea was horrible, I suffered so much with the Chelsea players.

Big game tonight. Real Madrid - Man United. I'm so excited, I know my team will probably go into it with defense in mind, and Real will probably do the most, but I really hope for a good result.
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Post by: Zydar on February 13, 2013, 08:41:30 AM
Come on United!
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Post by: cyberdrummer on February 13, 2013, 03:24:08 PM
Terrific result. I'd back Utd to go through now.
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Post by: toro on April 10, 2013, 12:24:28 PM
Necro BUMP.


We have 2 awesome games today. And we had to awesome games yesterday, that Borussi/Malaga game had me at the edge of my seat.  :metal :metal
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Post by: Zydar on April 10, 2013, 12:27:07 PM
Here's hoping PSG can defeat Barcelona tonight.
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Post by: chknptpie on April 10, 2013, 01:05:48 PM
Here's hoping PSG can defeat Barcelona tonight.

I'm wearing a Messi jersey at work today...
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Post by: Nekov on April 10, 2013, 07:26:15 PM
Here's hoping PSG can defeat Barcelona tonight.

I'm wearing a Messi jersey at work today...

You did well  :tup

Here's hoping PSG can defeat Barcelona tonight.

:whatisthisidonteven:
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Post by: Zantera on May 08, 2013, 03:38:04 AM
Sir Alex Ferguson announced his retirement after this season. I just want to say thanks for all the amazing years. I've been a Manchester United fan for about 16 years, and I have only experienced Manchester United under Sir Alex Ferguson.

To be honest, I'm pretty nervous about the future. There are a lot of great managers who could do great things with the club, but I feel like the presence of Sir Alex was so big and so meaningful that the team got a lot of points just because he was the manager. The solid Manchester United that could win 10 games in a row, maybe with just "1-0", but at least getting the 3 points. I have no idea what will happen now.
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Post by: FireForADryMouth on May 08, 2013, 03:42:54 AM
As a Chelsea fan I'm really worried now that José Mourinho will now be highly considering the United job if it is offered rather than Chelsea.
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Post by: Zantera on May 08, 2013, 03:48:07 AM
You never know in football. I don't think Man United will go for Mourinho though. I love Mourinho, and I think he is one of the best, but he has a tendency to get tired of his clubs after 2 years. I think Man United will try to go for a more "solid" manager. By that I mean someone who is really there 100% and won't start thinking about leaving after a few years.

My money is on Moyes or Klopp.
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Post by: toro on May 08, 2013, 04:26:18 AM
You never know in football. I don't think Man United will go for Mourinho though. I love Mourinho, and I think he is one of the best, but he has a tendency to get tired of his clubs after 2 years. I think Man United will try to go for a more "solid" manager. By that I mean someone who is really there 100% and won't start thinking about leaving after a few years.

My money is on Moyes or Klopp.
Klopp is not going anywhere until '16.
I seriously believe Mourinho might join United. He was very PC after their knockout game in Old Traffrord. I can totally see him join United.
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Post by: Zydar on May 08, 2013, 04:32:14 AM
"Manchester United will appoint their new manager within the next 48 hours!" (Sky Sports)
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Post by: Zantera on May 08, 2013, 04:44:55 AM
It feels like it will be Moyes. Ferguson has been friends with him for quite a while, he has done a fantastic job at Everton, he's also British and his contract at Everton ends this summer, so he won't cost that much to get.

I feel like Mourinho to Chelsea has been a done deal for a couple of months now. Benitez even went out and said "there will be a new manager here next season, and you all know who", and I doubt that is something you would say if they had a completely different manager in mind, when all the talks have been about Mourinho joining Chelsea.

Apart from Moyes, Solskjær is also a possibility, but even though he's a Man United-guy, I doubt it since he has only done great in the Norwegian league.
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Post by: cyberdrummer on May 08, 2013, 04:55:18 AM
I think it will be Moyes.

This is truly the end of an era at Manchester United and in English football. Ferguson's teams in the 1990s and early 2000s defined my childhood. Football will never be the same.
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Post by: Ruba on May 09, 2013, 05:49:49 AM
Aaaand it's the end of the dynasty of ManU, I guess.

But they'll still play better than Liverpool next season.  :P But if Moyes leaves, maybe we'll be able to beat Everton.

Times have changed. The championship was so close in 2008-2009, now we can't even qualify for European Cup  :P :P :P.
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Post by: Zantera on May 09, 2013, 09:52:46 AM
Moyes confirmed for 6 years. I'm excited. :)
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Post by: toro on May 09, 2013, 06:54:33 PM
Moyes confirmed for 6 years. I'm excited. :)
I'm not. He hasn't won anything.
He hasn't played in the Champions league, or knows what it is to get a point outside home in a difficult ground. And I also do not like the way he plays.
I hope he proves me wrong tho.
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Post by: ariich on May 10, 2013, 02:09:12 AM
He's turned Everton into a solid top-half team with basically no money or prestige. I think that's damn impressive.
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Post by: toro on May 10, 2013, 03:29:57 AM
He's turned Everton into a solid top-half team with basically no money or prestige. I think that's damn impressive.
I know that, but he is really green in European competitons.
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Post by: Zydar on May 10, 2013, 03:34:46 AM
I haven't really followed Everton through the years, so I don't know his philosophy or tactical preferences.
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Post by: Ruba on May 10, 2013, 10:43:34 AM
He's turned Everton into a solid top-half team with basically no money or prestige. I think that's damn impressive.

This. He actually might get something great (bad for me) done with better resources.
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Post by: toro on May 11, 2013, 12:44:06 PM
He's turned Everton into a solid top-half team with basically no money or prestige. I think that's damn impressive.

This. He actually might get something great (bad for me) done with better resources.
Really defensive. Even when he has a team that could easily play with an offensive mind-set.
I'm not a big fan. He is more into "Just getting a result" instead of getting a result while playing good football.
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Post by: Zantera on May 11, 2013, 03:14:56 PM
Well, that's not too different from what Man United has been doing for the last years. I'll admit it, Man United has played amazing football from time to time, but in the long term, many games have been about establishing control and getting a lead with 1 or 2 goals. After that it's pretty much just getting the time to tick away, not by defending insanely or anything, but not really bothered too much about attacking either. So on that front I don't think Moyes is too different from Ferguson, and it's not like Man United are playing football like Barcelona, as in still putting 95% into attacking even when they are ahead.

As for Moyes not winning any trophies, I don't think that is something you can hold against him. He hasn't had the resources and he has been stuck with a paper thin squad for a long time. When he came to Everton, they were almost equal to a club like Wigan for example. No big resources, a fairly thin squad and he took that and turned it into a club that would go on and finish in the top8 almost every year for a decade. He even took Everton to Champions League where they were defeated just barely by Villareal who would later go on to have a very successful year. So I don't think anyone can hold that over his head. As for not winning any trophies, that part is not just about skill but also very based on luck. Everton made it to an FA-Cup Final and had to meet the champions, Chelsea. While another club like Portsmouth who won it, had their game against Coventry. So there is a lot of luck in winning a cup trophy as well.

In the end, Moyes has the attributes that are the most important ones that Ferguson had. Integrity and being a very solid manager. He stuck with Everton for over a decade despite the fact that he could have left them earlier. He's used to making great transfers without too much money, and while Man United is one of the richest teams, they aren't Man City or Chelsea for example. He seems excellent at motivating his players and getting 100% out of them. His accomplishments with Everton are amazing, and in the end he is a much better suited manager for Man United than someone like José Mourinho for example.

With all this said, Man United might still have a tough season next year. But I feel like that would have been the case even if Ferguson had stayed for another year. City will make some new transfers due to not winning anything this year, Chelsea will get José Mourinho (most likely) and he will want to buy some players as well, specifically a striker who can score. Arsenal will finally have to spend money in order to keep up, and you have clubs like Liverpool and Tottenham, both will continue to improve under their managers. So the competition is bigger and tougher than ever, and even if we don't win Premier League next season, that won't necessarily be Moyes´ fault.

IN MOYES WE TRUST.  :tup
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Post by: toro on May 11, 2013, 03:43:38 PM
My only real grudge against him is the lack of experience against big teams and UEFA competitions.
I really hope he does good for the sake of the team.
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Post by: Zantera on May 11, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
I can understand that. On the other hand, Man United have done just horribly in Champions League lately. Okay, going out against Real in the way they did it was bad luck, but it was early in Champions League. And the year before, they didn't make it out of the group stage. So, in that way Moyes comes into the club at the perfect time. As long as he gets the team through the groupstage and maybe goes through another round, he has already done better than the previous two seasons. ;)

Obviously we will hope for something more, a final or a trophy, but still.  :metal
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Post by: Zantera on August 17, 2013, 02:12:39 AM
I'm beyond words excited for Premier League starting again. I wish I could say the same about Man United, but the summer has been a disappointment in terms of transfers, and I think we'll end up third at best in the table. Still, really excited and happy to see PL again. :) The games, and how I think they will end:

Saturday:
Liverpool - Stoke (1)
Arsenal - Aston Villa (1)
Norwich - Everton (X)
Sunderland - Fulham (X)
West Brom - Southampton (2)
West Ham - Cardiff (1)
Swansea - Man United (1)

Sunday:
Crystal Palace - Tottenham (2)
Chelsea - Hull (1)

Monday:
Man City - Newcastle (1)

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Post by: wasteland on August 17, 2013, 03:22:06 AM
Any Serie A fan here? :D
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Post by: FireForADryMouth on August 17, 2013, 05:21:01 AM
So excited for today and tomorrow. Looking forward to Villa vs. Arsenal today and Chelsea vs. Hull tomorrow.

My predictions are:

1. Chelsea
2. City
3. United
4. Arsenal

With Hull, Southampton and Cardiff dropping.
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Post by: Zydar on August 17, 2013, 05:26:37 AM
Really excited about Premier League finally starting again. I have a very uncertain feeling about my Man United this year without Sir Alex. A lot depends on if they can keep Rooney or not.
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Post by: RoeDent on August 17, 2013, 02:00:23 PM
Swansea will be known as the team who were there for Manchester United's pivotal moments. We were the opposition for Fergie's last home game, and the trophy presentation, and the opposition for Moyes' first league game.

Glad to have got it out of the way though. Hopefully it's just a blip.

This is definitely the most intriguing PL season for a long long time, perhaps ever. Hopefully it lives up to the hype. I'm going to go for Chelsea to win the title.
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Post by: LCArenas on August 17, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
FOOTBALL'S BACK, BITCHES

I support Arsenal in the PL and I don't know what to say about today's match or the preseason. Everything has been completely stale.
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Post by: orcus116 on August 17, 2013, 03:19:21 PM
What happened to Giggs? I turned away for a second and down he went.
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Post by: Zantera on August 17, 2013, 05:15:54 PM
I missed the late game due to a concert, but can't believe we won with 4-1. Incredible. Zydar, did you watch the game? If so, how was it?

Arsenal were just awful earlier. They need to get a new board and manager asap. I'm not even an Arsenal-fan but I get offended when Wenger does his stupid clichés about how "we only buy the right players" when clearly, EVERYONE would be the right player, and give the team something more than they already have. Their squad is paper thin, they lack big star names, and I hate to say it, but I don't see them getting a CL-spot this season. Man City, Chelsea, Man United and Spurs all look stronger.

On another note, great to see Liverpool win their game. It might sound weird coming from a Man United supporter, but I appreciate the kind of football they try to play, and Rodgers has a philosophy I can get behind. They have an interesting team and they play attacking football, so I'm glad they could get 3 points. Especially against Stoke, send them down to Championship right now.
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Post by: Zydar on August 18, 2013, 03:30:48 AM
I missed the late game due to a concert, but can't believe we won with 4-1. Incredible. Zydar, did you watch the game? If so, how was it?

I only managed to see the first 30 minutes, but I liked what I saw. Van Persie opened his season with two goals right away, and it's great to have Welbeck finding the net again.
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Post by: Nekov on August 20, 2013, 07:33:28 AM
Any Serie A fan here? :D

I watch the occasional game. Italian football is not my favorite but there are some teams that are interesting to watch, specially Juventus
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Post by: RoeDent on August 21, 2013, 08:47:38 AM
A little late, but thank you to Manchester City for scoring 4 goals on Monday, and taking Swansea off the bottom of the table. :D
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Post by: Zantera on August 21, 2013, 09:31:12 AM
I think Arsenal will have big big big problems to get a CL-spot this season. Not only is the squad paper thin, but Wenger seems more delusional than ever, and pretty much all big available top players have gone to other teams. Wenger feels so out of the loop at this point, it seems to me like he is stuck in the 90's, where "a player isn't worth more than 15m £", but this is 2013, and you have to pay if you want a good player.
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Post by: Nekov on August 21, 2013, 10:34:01 AM
Arsenal is an interesting case, I usually think giving a coach a long run will end up being beneficial to the team as he will have time to build something that will last but in this case I think his time expired, about 2 seasons ago. It's evident that Arsenal is not at the same level as the Manchesters and Chelsea, or even Tottenham. The Arsenal board needs to thank Wenger for all he has done for them and get a new coach soon.
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Post by: chknptpie on December 04, 2013, 06:35:13 AM
Big bump here! How does one buy tickets to an international football game? Headed to Barcelona in the future and no idea how to buy a ticket to go see a game!
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Post by: cyberdrummer on December 04, 2013, 10:03:51 AM
Often they're sold on the relevant Football Association's website. Otherwise, try contacting the stadium itself?
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Post by: chknptpie on December 04, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
Just looked and it doesn't look like there is a game in Barca when we were planning on going. Darn it! They play in Madrid though... wonder if a day trip might be in order... hmm
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Post by: ariich on December 05, 2013, 12:43:12 AM
I think Arsenal will have big big big problems to get a CL-spot this season. Not only is the squad paper thin, but Wenger seems more delusional than ever, and pretty much all big available top players have gone to other teams. Wenger feels so out of the loop at this point, it seems to me like he is stuck in the 90's, where "a player isn't worth more than 15m £", but this is 2013, and you have to pay if you want a good player.
Just quoting this for hilarity. :biggrin:
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Post by: Zantera on December 05, 2013, 02:13:29 AM
To be honest, I think the Özil and Flamini transfers were enough to change that. They got a star-player and they got a leader. I'd say Arsenal will win PL this season without a doubt in my mind.

If I had to guess right now, I would say top4 will be: Arsenal, Manchester City, Chelsea and maybe Liverpool or Everton for the 4th spot.
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Post by: ariich on December 05, 2013, 02:26:04 AM
To be honest, I think the Özil and Flamini transfers were enough to change that. They got a star-player and they got a leader.
The Özil transfer especially has given us a new energy and confidence, but so has the way that Ramsey has suddenly become a god. Those two things combined have really led our strength this season.

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I'd say Arsenal will win PL this season without a doubt in my mind.
It's still early days, so I'm not sure about that. We still have our run of difficult games against the other top teams coming up. It's possible though. For some reason, almost every pundit on Match of the Day says that there's no way Arsenal can keep it up. Harsh.
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Post by: Zantera on December 05, 2013, 02:59:02 AM
Oh yeah, Ramsey and Giroud being so good is also a plus of course. I think a transfer like Özil is impressive on many levels, not only do you get one of the best players in the world (for me he would be top3), but you also boost the morale and confidence of the whole team, and the message it sends to everybody when you land a player like that is huge. Arsenal really seems to be enjoying their football right now. Earlier seasons they would almost look like they were in pain, to try and live up to these huge expectations of winning trophies, but now they play with more confidence and the defense is more solid than ever.

It's a joy watching them right now, I wish I could say the same for Man United.  :\
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Post by: RoeDent on December 05, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
It's remarkable how something as simple as a few losses in a row can send you tumbling down the table. On the first Saturday after the last international break, Southampton were third, and with an (admittedly unlikely but still perfectly possible) set of results, they could've gone to the top. Now, with 3 losses, they're down in 8th.

Exciting season though. Good win for my Swans last night.
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Post by: Nekov on December 05, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Giroud being so good

Yeah no, I don't think so. They need to get a stronger scorer if you ask me, they've been doing really well involving all the team and having such a wide variety of ways to score but there are some games where the other team plays a tight defense and lock you up and in those moments you need a guy that make a difference by his own and score and Giroud is not that guy. I don't feel his the guy that can have only one chance throughout the whole game and being able to score under pressure.

Other than that, Arsenal are the strongest candidate right now to win the PL but if they advance in the Champions they might start having issues with the rotation since they don't seem to have many strong players on the bench the way Chelsea or Manchester City do.
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Post by: chknptpie on December 05, 2013, 05:21:45 PM
Often they're sold on the relevant Football Association's website. Otherwise, try contacting the stadium itself?

hmm well I was able to go through the club's website but can't seem to find 2 seats together. My guess is the el classico is pretty close to sold out! Is there an international version of stubhub? lol
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Post by: cyberdrummer on December 05, 2013, 05:38:16 PM
Oh right, when you said international football game, I thought you meant a match between two countries. I imagine El Clasico is sold out, yeah.
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Post by: Nekov on December 06, 2013, 10:26:36 AM
OK, Argentina got the best draw available  :laugh:

Sorry for you brits, seems you are quite complicated
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Post by: rumborak on December 06, 2013, 11:27:09 AM
Germany and USA in the same group? Gnah.
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Post by: Nekov on December 06, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Germany and USA in the same group? Gnah.

That will be an interesting day at the office for you  :lol
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Post by: Cyclopssss on December 09, 2013, 04:56:28 AM
So did anyone else catch the World Cup draw? God, what a douchebag this Blatter is. Calling a minute silence for the passing of Mandela and then after about 12 seconds cutting it short....shameful.  :tdwn

Also, the female presenter was wayy distracting. Netherlands drew Spain, Chile and Australia in their group....gonna be tough, I think.
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Post by: Nekov on December 10, 2013, 05:34:00 AM
So did anyone else catch the World Cup draw? God, what a douchebag this Blatter is. Calling a minute silence for the passing of Mandela and then after about 12 seconds cutting it short....shameful.  :tdwn

Also, the female presenter was wayy distracting. Netherlands drew Spain, Chile and Australia in their group....gonna be tough, I think.

Yep, that group and also the one with Uruguay, England, Italy and Costa Rica will be really interesting to watch.
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Post by: Zantera on December 10, 2013, 11:19:28 AM
Giroud being so good

Yeah no, I don't think so. They need to get a stronger scorer if you ask me, they've been doing really well involving all the team and having such a wide variety of ways to score but there are some games where the other team plays a tight defense and lock you up and in those moments you need a guy that make a difference by his own and score and Giroud is not that guy. I don't feel his the guy that can have only one chance throughout the whole game and being able to score under pressure.

Other than that, Arsenal are the strongest candidate right now to win the PL but if they advance in the Champions they might start having issues with the rotation since they don't seem to have many strong players on the bench the way Chelsea or Manchester City do.

I gotta say, I've watched most (if not all) of Arsenal's games this season, and Giroud has been incredible. He has really improved since last season, and he does pretty much everything right on the field. He needs to score a few more goals to be up there with the biggest goal-poachers of the league, but in terms of quality he is good enough. He's also the kind of striker that does things right, and gives his teammates better chances to do something. He gives players like Özil and Ramsey a bit more freedom, since the defenders have to keep an eye on him all the time, and that could also be one reason why their midfield has scored more this year.

When it comes down to it, having a well functioning team is the most important part in winning. Arsenal had RvP for several seasons, but a good goalscorer wasn't enough to win titles. Now they have a much better team overall, and while Giroud could score more goals, he is good enough to start for Arsenal, and it would be a huge shame if they replaced him or sent him to the bench. The main problem is depth though. If Giroud would get injured now, they are stuck with Bendtner, or having to play Walcott center, which isn't his usual position. Once Podolski comes back, that will give them a nice option.

I would say Giroud is better than any of the attackers in Chelsea and Tottenham, I would say he is on par with many of the strikers in the other big teams of the league. Right now this season, I would only hold Aguero, Suarez, Sturridge and maybe Lukaku as better strikers at the moment. I wanna say Rooney too, because even though he hasn't scored a lot, I do love him.

Also, Arsenal has City on Sunday I believe, then Chelsea the day before Christmas Eve. Two interesting games to say the least.
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Post by: chknptpie on December 10, 2013, 11:25:31 AM
How is viagogo for purchasing tickets? Anyone here used it before?
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Post by: Zantera on January 26, 2014, 07:39:28 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1621821_701780576508872_17519665_n.jpg)

Best moment so far this season. So happy with this transfer, but on the other hand I'm also skeptical, because even though we have strengthened our offensive side, the midfield and defense is highly questionable at the moment. We really need strengthening there too. I would say a 4th spot is doable, and I hope bringing Mata in will energize the team to complete that. We still aren't nearly as good as Arsenal, Chelsea or City, but Liverpool and Tottenham have both shown weaknesses, and so the battle for 4th is on.
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Post by: orcus116 on January 26, 2014, 08:49:43 AM
Enjoy Mata, I'm gonna miss'em.
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Post by: Dimitrius on January 26, 2014, 09:00:55 AM
As a follower of Chelsea I was disappointed with that, but Willian had been getting all the starts recently so it didn't surprised me much. Hopefully this helps Man U enough to at least tie Arsenal and City in the games they have left and help Chelsea.
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Post by: puppyonacid on April 14, 2014, 03:39:31 AM
Bumping this as I reckon after the last couple of weeks results (particularly this past weekend) some folks may be up for discussing the end of season run in.

Liverpool aren't nailed on to win yet. I'd love to see them win it but I think it'll go to the wire. Chelsea will have a huge say obviously but I wouldn't discount City at all.

Arsenal have just given up and may not even get a CL spot. Still, they've got the FA cup to look forward to.

What of Man U? They look like they're finding some league form (too little too late) but are struggling against bigger teams. Should Moyes be given another season? And for that matter, should Wenger?

If LFC don't win it this year, I think the chance may gone for some time. They'll find it much harder next season.
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Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
I really hope with all my heart that Liverpool wins the league. It might sound odd coming from a Man United fan, and while there is rivalry between the clubs, I feel like Liverpool is the club that deserves the PL title the most this season. They've played the best football in the whole league, they have some incredible players, and a legend like Steven Gerrard. He is one of those few players who truly deserves a title, for everything he has done for his club. I really don't like Oil-City (for obvious reasons I guess), and while I like Mourinho as a manager, Chelsea has been pretty darn boring this season. I really hope Liverpool takes it, because they would benefit the most from winning the title. It would be a boost to the club, but clubs like City and Chelsea will invest good money no matter where they finish.

As for Arsenal, I guess we could all agree that history repeats itself. A lot of fans got incredibly excited after the first half of the season, but as soon as the big games started to arrive, results started to decline. I think the best action at this point would be to win the FA-Cup and get the 4th spot, Wenger SHOULD leave after this season, and maybe he will end his run with a title. Wenger has once again proven that he is not the right man for Arsenal anymore. He has a few good qualities, but he has a hard time motivating his team and getting them to play good football, and against the top teams, Arsenal usually have no chance at all. Several games this season (against Pool and Chelsea for example), the game has been over after 10-15 minutes. Good preparations there, Wenger. Right now I think Everton is favorites to take the 4th spot. Arsenal has a much easier schedule, but Everton has a really strong form. I think Arsenal will get it in the end though, and Everton shouldn't feel ashamed if they miss it. I think Martinez has done a brilliant job at Everton, and I would even love to see him at Man United.

As for Man United, I really don't even want to talk about it. The season has been bad, but the situation overall doesn't give any glimpses of hope. At this point I would gladly replace Moyes with just about anyone else from PL. For me it's not just about results, but Moyes just hasn't gotten anything to work. If you take Liverpool last year, at least they were playing really good football. You could tell they had something exciting going on, and that their "project" had a bright future. With Man United, the games have mostly been very boring to watch. I don't think someone like Klopp would leave Dortmund to come, but I'd even be thrilled over a manager like Martinez from Everton, or Pochettino from Southampton. Both those clubs play positive football, and they have done wonders with what they have.

Overall though, I would say that Tony Pulis deserves the "manager of the year" award this year IMO. When he took over Crystal Palace, they were dead last, with a pretty thin squad, and most people said "it's an impossible job". Now they are pretty much safe from going out, and they wouldn't have done it without Pulis as the manager. He may play a "simple" football, but what a good job he has done.  :tup
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Post by: Nekov on April 14, 2014, 11:18:09 AM
I really hope with all my heart that Liverpool wins the league.

I agree but for completely different reasons. I really hate Man City and Chelsea because the reason they are on top of the league is because they have wealthy owners that can buy any player they like. Liverpool doesn't have that option, they have to work with what they have and Brendan Rodgers has been able to make this team work perfectly and maybe if Liverpool win the league it will show this big teams that you don't necessarily need lots of stars but maybe you need players that are able to perform a specific function to boost other players.

Regarding Moyes, I will say that they should leave him where he is for at least 2 more seasons. Remember that it took Alex Fergusson 7 years to win his first Premier League with United and after that it was all success. United right now is going through a renovation in players and in coach, it's a bit unrealistic to expect Moyes to deliver a great season so early.
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Post by: puppyonacid on April 14, 2014, 12:31:18 PM
That's a fair point regarding moyes but I think there's a huge difference between the situations between his appointment and fergie came in. When fergie came in United needed a change top to bottom in philosophy. They aren't at that point at the moment. I reckon moyes will be facing a lot of behind the scenes resistance because people are still rooted in the way fergie did things. This is probably why rogers is doing so well at LFC. They were ready for whole sale changes throughout the entire set up and he has a solid vision and strong philosophy.

Having said that moyes was a strange appointment as he's not a very attack minded, progressive manager.

My dads a scouser so I'm a merseyside red. I want LFC to win but there is something sad about doing it in a season when United have been so poor. Not sad for Liverpool as such but it'd have been more exciting had united been up there as well.
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Post by: Nekov on April 14, 2014, 01:28:20 PM
Moyes ended in the 6th place last season with Everton which I think is pretty good considering they don't have great names in the team so it's fair to assume that he could do even better with a good roster. Give him a chance, next season things should be different.
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Post by: Zantera on April 14, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
I think patience is something a manager has to earn. Right now I have very little patience with Moyes because not only has the season been bad, the performances have been bad as well. Things can start to turn around ofc, but not even when Moyes was in Everton, did they play the kind of football I would love to see the club play. To be honest, I've lost a lot of my interest in the club. And it feels awful to say, because I still root for the club, but whenever they play a game at the same time as another team like Liverpool or Arsenal, I always watch the other game, because I would rather see optimistic attacking football, than being lulled to sleep.
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Post by: RoeDent on April 19, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
What an exciting race for the title! Would love Liverpool to win it, just for the fact it's 24 years since their last title, and 25 years since Hillsborough. The big teams seem to drop points against teams they should steamroll over. Sunderland drawing with Man City last week, for example. Possibly fatally damaged their title bid. Even if City win their game in hand, they still can't catch up to Chelsea and Liverpool.

As I write, Sunderland are at it again, equalising 1-1 vs Chelsea. More dropped points on the cards?
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Post by: Zantera on April 19, 2014, 11:35:28 AM
Lets hope Sunderland takes a point and Liverpool wins tomorrow.
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Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 19, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
Supporting Liverpool for the title. It's just fitting this year for them to do it.

My team, Tottenham, thankfully won today. Always nerveracking watching a spurs game.
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Post by: Nekov on April 19, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Lol Chelsea
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Post by: The Holy Tune on April 19, 2014, 05:30:01 PM
Hello there, Fenerbahçe fan here. Many people here might remember us from some occasions like making ManU taste defeat after years and years of undefeated European campaigns until we won there ^^

Or Chelsea's loss in Turkey in 2008, we almost got through that quarter final at CL. Was a big blowing moment for me :(

Or last year's great Europa League semi finals, as we got knocked out by Benfica who lost to Chelsea at the final.

Now my team is shaken and hurt a lot by the so called "match-fixing" scandal. It is a scandal indeed, but only at the law mechanism. The specially authorized courts aren't suitable to any European court, yet UEFA banned us for 2 years. Very sad and unfair, but life goes on! One more year and we'll be back to where we belong!

And we're almost crowned the champions this season, hurray! ;D

Here's something little from that Chelsea match:
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/9090189.jpg)
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Post by: Zantera on April 22, 2014, 06:36:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
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Post by: Nekov on April 22, 2014, 10:45:25 AM
So, Moyes is out, Giggs will take care of the team for the reminder of the season (weird) and I've read that United wants to hire Van Gaal. Is he really the guy for United? Where has he been the last couple of years?
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Post by: Zantera on April 22, 2014, 12:54:42 PM
Van Gaal is an interesting name. I don't have the best knowledge of him, but he has managed big teams (Bayern and Barcelona), and the last few years (and right now) he has been managing the Dutch national team. In Bayern he is "known" for bringing players like Müller, Badstuber and Alaba into the first squad, and those are all great players. From what I've heard he stands for attacking football.

I'm intrigued.
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Post by: ariich on April 22, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
As a neutral when it comes to Utd, I'm disappointed to see them follow the same direction that most of football has been going in and sack Moyes after less than a year.
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Post by: Zantera on April 22, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
I think most neutral fans would have happily seen Moyes drag them down to Championship in the next few years.
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Post by: ariich on April 23, 2014, 12:31:27 AM
Not for that reason, I like Moyes and would rather he'd done better with United. I just don't like the culture in football these days, and one of the things I liked about United was that they were doing a good job when it comes to sticking things out, long term loyalty, and so on.
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Post by: Zantera on April 23, 2014, 02:35:16 AM
I agree that some clubs are way too fast when it comes to kicking their manager. I've seen some good managers gotten the axe from their team without much reason, but in the case of Moyes it was kinda needed. By the end, Moyes had just screwed up too many things for his own good. Not just missing a Champions League spot, but also failing to get the team to play a certain way. As I see it, there were several things that got him fired:

*The poor performances/Finishing far away from a CL-spot
*No consistency in starting lineups/performances
*Several records broken this season (bad records like not having lost against certain teams in over 30 years)
*Lost the respect of the players (Welbeck handing in transfer request, possibly nail in the coffin)
*Several idiotic quotes like "Sir Alex wouldn't have made a better job if he was still here" (really?!)
*Firing all the amazing staff at Man United to bring in unproven staff from Everton (maybe his biggest mistake)
*Signing Fellaini (Possibly one of the worst signings in the whole league this year)
*Telling the defenders they should play more like Phil Jagielka (lol, telling that to defenders who have won trophies)
*Saying that Liverpool were favorites in the game at Old Trafford (you never do this, it's unspeakable even if there's truth to it)
*Loser mentality of settling for 1 point rather than going for 3 points (which has cost them several points this season)

There's just too many bad things and blunders. Eventually you can't overlook them anymore.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: puppyonacid on April 23, 2014, 03:23:31 AM
I hate to say but I agree. I'm torn because I thought Utd were above revolving manager policies but there are too many things that can't be overlooked.

As a Liverpool supporter I was floored when he said we were favourites. I mean really? Rogers said he would never have said United were favourites even if Liverpool were fighting relegation. You just don't do that.

We finished 7th last year with a new manager but (and it is a huge but!) we were/are playing attractive football. Last season that football was a bit ragged and didn't always come off. When it did work though it was brilliant - and this season shows we're getting it right way more than getting it wrong.

Moyes was always a bit too flat. Just look at how Everton are playing now. They should never have let Fergie appoint Moyes. It shouldn't have been up to him. Looks like Utd haven't learned:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27123088

Anyway - Liverpool. 3 games to go and 5 points clear of Chelsea. We don't actually need to win all of our games. Two wins and a draw will do it.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on April 23, 2014, 03:38:12 AM
I really do hope Liverpool wins the league. They play possibly the best football in Europe this year, Rodgers is a manager you can really stand behind (he seems like a great dude), and Gerrard is possibly THE player in the world, most deserving a league title. It's sad (but understandable) when money wins trophies, so I hope Liverpool can hold off City and Chelsea. From what I heard, Silva left the last City game injured (and might miss the rest of the season), and if so, that's a harsh blow to City.

The three standout managers this season IMO has been Rodgers, Martinez and Pulis. They've all done an excellent job, for different reasons. With Rodgers it's quite interesting how really none of his summer transfers have bloomed out, and most of the "great" players are players from before that he has made better. I'm curious to see what Pool will buy this summer. A possible PL-win and a CL-spot gives them a good position not only to hold onto Suarez, but also bring in some great stars.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on April 23, 2014, 07:59:11 AM
I really do hope Liverpool wins the league. They play possibly the best football in Europe this year

Really? Better than Borussia Dortmund? Better than Bayer Munich? Better than Juventus? Better than Real Madrid? It's undeniable that they are having a great season but the truth is they are completely dependent on what Suarez can produce.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on April 23, 2014, 08:23:20 AM
Dortmund have had most of their good players injured for most of their season, and their gameplay has lacked because of it. When they have been able to play with their full team, it has looked great, but most of the season has been with benchwarmers. Bayern is a team I used to love, but since Guardiola took over, they've played less "straight forward" and more passing the ball sideways within the team. So not as exciting to watch anymore. I haven't seen that much of a Juventus so I can't say, but I would agree with Real Madrid being up there.

I don't agree with Suarez being as important for Liverpool this season compared to previous seasons though. Yeah, he has 30 goals, and he has been incredible, but alongside him you have Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho, all who have been excellent this season IMO. The big difference for Liverpool IMO is that unlike previous seasons, Suarez isn't the only one carrying the team. You have those three players I mentioned, plus Gerrard, and you have more players "stepping up".
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: orcus116 on April 27, 2014, 09:10:47 AM
Great win against Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: GentlemanofDread on April 27, 2014, 09:59:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4JqqnG6.gif)

Let's just admire Jonjo Shelvey's goal from Saturday against Aston Villa.
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Post by: Dimitrius on April 27, 2014, 10:30:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UPpc9EY.gif)
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: orcus116 on April 27, 2014, 10:35:46 AM
 :lol
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Post by: RoeDent on April 27, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
Incredible goal from Shelvey yesterday, and it was for my team! That doesn't come round very often.  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: chknptpie on May 06, 2014, 10:48:27 PM
This is pretty sweet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOe5XCZMCVg
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 12, 2014, 11:45:50 AM
So, the national teams are starting to announce the players for the world cup and England already has their list. What do you guys think? From my point of view, the defense is pretty weak but it should be compensated by the midfield. No surprises with the forwards though I'm not a fan of Welbeck

Goalkeepres: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Fraser Forster (Celtic).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Luke Shaw (Southampton), Chris Smalling (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Southampton), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Daniel Welbeck (Manchester United).

Reserves: John Ruddy (Norwich City), Jon Flanagan (Liverpool), John Stones (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Andy Carroll (West Ham United), Jermain Defoe (Toronto FC).
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: chknptpie on May 12, 2014, 12:54:24 PM
La Liga comes to a decision about the league champion between Barcelona and Atletico this weekend! :caffeine:
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Lowdz on May 12, 2014, 01:45:06 PM
So, the national teams are starting to announce the players for the world cup and England already has their list. What do you guys think? From my point of view, the defense is pretty weak but it should be compensated by the midfield. No surprises with the forwards though I'm not a fan of Welbeck

Goalkeepres: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Fraser Forster (Celtic).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Luke Shaw (Southampton), Chris Smalling (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Southampton), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Daniel Welbeck (Manchester United).

Reserves: John Ruddy (Norwich City), Jon Flanagan (Liverpool), John Stones (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Andy Carroll (West Ham United), Jermain Defoe (Toronto FC).

We won't be troubling anyone in the World Cup this year. Its not a great squad but we haven't got alot of great players to choose from. I like that he's generally gone with a youth policy as it will be good experience for them for future tournaments. Its not like the experienced players have done anything useful before. Rooney is a prime example.

Jones and Smalling are lucky to be there because they've been awful for Utd.

As you can see, I'm not confident. Oh and the manager is an idiot.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 19, 2014, 11:30:24 AM
The Dutch team are in a severe state of FLUX! No one knows who will be part of the team yet.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 19, 2014, 12:56:56 PM
The Dutch team are in a severe state of FLUX! No one knows who will be part of the team yet.

I hadn't looked at the list. I only recognize 11 players out of the 30, Wow. I didn't realize the dutch team was going over a generational change in the team.

As for my national team, Argentina, the list is more or less what I expected it to be. Our defense kinda sucks, our midfield is par and our offense is off the charts.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Scorpion on May 19, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
Who's in the Argentinian offense?
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 19, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
Messi, Agüero, Higuain, Palacio, Lavezzi
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 21, 2014, 06:35:38 AM
Messi, Agüero, Higuain, Palacio, Lavezzi

Yeah, great defender!!!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 21, 2014, 07:43:25 AM
 ??? He asked me who's in our offense, all of those are strikers....
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on May 21, 2014, 08:09:32 AM
Kinda surprised Tevez wasn't in the squad. I've seen Palacio score a few goals for Inter, but is he really better than Tevez?

On another note, I'm pretty happy with Van Gaal taking over Man United. Unlike Moyes, he is a top club manager. If he is a good fit or not, we will have to wait and see, but at least he's a better manager.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 21, 2014, 08:21:04 AM
Kinda surprised Tevez wasn't in the squad. I've seen Palacio score a few goals for Inter, but is he really better than Tevez?

The problem with Tevez is that he doesn't take it well when he's not a starter and in today's team he has no place in the starting 11 so having him there would generate an issue in the locker room. We had that problem in the last world cup and also in the last Copa America, we don't want to go there again.

Regarding Van Gaal, he's proven to be a good coach so Man U should have a better season though I think they need to change their squad a little bit, specially their defense.

I'm also interested in what Luis Enrique might bring to Barcelona. I never really paid attention to the Celta mathces so I'm not sure how his teams play and this is another team that needs to get renewed, specially on defense.
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Zantera on May 21, 2014, 08:31:36 AM
Luis Enrique feels like a pretty lame choice. I can see why they would pick him, and he probably has more experience than Guardiola had when he took the job, but I think Real Madrid will take the trophy next year. They just feel stronger on every position. It's a big shame for Barcelona that they lost Thiago to Bayern. They could really need him now when Xavi is getting old.

Barcelona have kinda fell off the very top of the best football teams right now though. They went out in the semifinal this year and were completely slaughtered by Bayern Munich last year. If Atletico hadn't given Barcelona 3-4 new chances to win the league this year, I doubt they would have still had a chance in the last game. Atletico gave away some easy points during the last few rounds, and that's what gave Barcelona a chance to win it.

But anyhow, World Cup is not that far away. I don't know how much I will watch, because for some reason the international football never appeals to me, but I will probably watch quite a bit anyways, since it's football. England will probably go out in the group stage already and Sweden aren't even qualified, so nothing to root for there. I think most of the "usual" top teams will go far, Germany, Spain and Brazil (having the home field).
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 21, 2014, 09:14:05 AM
??? He asked me who's in our offense, all of those are strikers....

Yeah my bad, should have opened my eyes...sorry.  :blush
Title: Re: The Official Football (soccer) Thread [merged]
Post by: Nekov on May 28, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
Funniest thing I've read in quite a while

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/28/stephen-hawking-formulae-england-world-cup-success (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/28/stephen-hawking-formulae-england-world-cup-success)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 16, 2014, 04:11:44 AM
Alright, so the weekend I've been looking forward to since May has finally come; the start of Premier League! :) I've been trying previous years to keep this thread going with some big posts and I thought I would continue doing that! I know some people here are more casual than I am, and it can always be nice to get some information about the teams and the players. So I thought I would make this post the first major post for the 14/15 season, and I will post the situation for all the teams, who they have brought in and who they have lost, just how their situation looks going into the season. I'll also post my predicted table of how I think the season will end, as well as the games this first weekend. But let's dive right into it, and I'll alphabetically post something on all the teams.

Arsenal
Arsenal is one of the teams that have been the most active this summer, and they have brought in four major signings in Ospina, Debuchy, Calum Chambers and Sanchez. Much like last season, Wenger has chosen (so far at least) to ignore the two positions screaming the most for reinforcement (another Striker and a Defensive Midfielder) and strengthened other positions instead. The loss of Vermaelen in the defense shouldn't matter that much since he wasn't a regular last season, but they still need to replace him with another defender in my opinion. I think Arsenal will have a great season and be contenders for the title, which they might even win. It all comes down to how many goals Giroud can score, how well Sanchez will settle into Premier League, and if Arsenal can avoid the painful injury problems they've struggled with for the last few years. The team looks in harmony and completely destroyed Manchester City last weekend in the Community Shield with 3-0, so it looks like a team in balance. If they can snap up a defender/defensive midfielder and/or a striker like Cavani/Falcao before the window closes, they will be really dangerous this year.

Aston Villa
I'll be honest, Aston Villa worries me. They have an owner who is looking to sell off the team and doesn't want to invest any money into transfers, and the players they have brought in are questionable. Joe Cole is way past his prime, and players like Richardson and Senderos are not what I would call great transfers. Cissokho is a decent left back, and I don't know much about their most recent signing Sanchez, who is a defensive midfielder, but overall their transfer window is pretty bleak IMO. I think the team could go down this season, and I would not be surprised if Paul Lambert is the first manager to get sacked and the assistant manager Roy Keane takes over. I wanna root for them because I like Lambert's philosophy and his project of letting the young and talented players play, but so far it hasn't paid off during the last few seasons. Benteke will be out for the start, and I think it comes down to him this season. If he scores a lot of goals, they'll stay up, if not... it's not looking too bright.

Burnley
If I think Aston Villa has good chances of being relegated this year, I think Burnley might have it even harder. They've brought in a few players, the most Premier League merited ones are Kightly from Stoke and Reid from West Bromwich. Two okay players, but the rest of their transfers (Gilks, Sordell, Jutikiewicz and Taylor) are from Championship. They're aiming to stay up with the core of the team that went up to the league from last seasons performance. It's admirable, but in my experience, there's a big difference between Championship and Premier League. You need to strengthen and get good additions, and you won't stay up with a Championship-team. I think Burnley could have a rough season, but it all comes down to how they adjust to the higher tempo and higher quality. Maybe they'll adjust nicely, and maybe they have some late transfers in mind. It's important as a newcomer to get something going for you. Maybe build an impenetrable fortress at your home station, and make sure you always get points from your home games.

Chelsea
Chelsea is in my opinion the favorite this year. They have the best team, they have the best manager and it's their year to win it. They've brought in amazing talent in Diego Costa, who will lead the attack, Fabregas who will lead the midfield, and Luis who will strengthen the defense. Add young talent in Zouma, and Courtouis, possably the best goalkeeper in Europe at the moment, who is coming back to Chelsea after 3 years on loan at Atletico Madrid. I think Chelsea has the best starting lineup, but it all comes down to injuries. Diego Costa has a lot of pressure and needs to score +20 goals for them this year. I think he will, but what they really need is to keep him fit. If he gets injured, I think Chelsea could struggle with Torres or Drogba up front, and if Costa goes out for a few months, that could very well be the title disappearing for Chelsea. But still, the best manager and the best team IMO. This year could be a blue year.

Crystal Palace
Had you asked me a week ago, I would have said a solid mid-team table. Now, I'm not so sure. Crystal Palace might have suffered the worst loss out of any Premier League teams, when their manager Tony Pulis left a few days ago. He was the reason the team went from being dead last to being a strong middle team who could take points out of anyone last year. He's one of the best bottom club managers out there, because he knows how to get 100% out of his team. He knows discipline and he can take teams like Crystal Palace and Stoke and fight with the big teams during tough games. The team has strengthened okay otherwise. Campbell, Kelly and Hangeland are all proven Premier League players, but what will really hurt them is the loss of Tony Pulis. At this point I don't think it matters who they bring in, I think they will struggle to survive this year.

Everton
Everton was one of the wonderful surprises of last year, and what Martinez has done with the team is amazing. From the defensive minded team they were under Moyes, Martinez made Everton an attacking team that was a joy to watch. They've secured the services of Lukaku and Barry (who were only there on loan last year) and bought a young and interesting prospect in Besic. I think Everton will finish in the top7 spots, and I think they could go pretty far in Europa League. Martinez is a manager to watch, and I would not be surprised if we saw him as the manager for a club like Arsenal or Barcelona in 2-3 years. He's a humble guy you just love in interviews, and he has done wonders with this team. They could use another transfer or so, but they managed to buy Lukaku (who saw that coming?) so I think they'll do just fine.

Hull City
Hull was one of the surprises last year and Steve Bruce managed to take a newcomer and make them a solid Premier League team. They even reached the FA Cup final, which they lost to Arsenal. This summer they have brought in players like Ince, Snodgrass, Maguire, Robertson, Ter Horst and Livermore (who was just on loan to them last year). I think Hull will be a solid mid-table team this year. I don't see them pushing into the top8 or anything, but I see them finishing safely above relegation, maybe in the 10-15 area. Steve Bruce is a decent manager who works well with clubs on this level, and the atmosphere within the club seems positive and I think they'll do fine. Again, not a team that will fight for European Cup positions, but not a team bad enough to be relegated either.

Leicester City
My write-up for Leicester will be very similar to my write-up for Burnley, but they are in similar situations. Leicester are also newcomers, and they have only brought in two players this window. Rowley and Ulloa joins, not exactly names that strikes fear in the opposition. Leicester are also hoping that the team they jogged home Championship with is going to be enough to stay up, and I'm not convinced. Again, the difference between Championship and Premier League is huge. If you take too lightly on that, you're gonna have a rough time. I think they need to get in at least 2 or 3 more players before the transfer window closes, and that's player with Premier League experience or players of the higher class. I think Leicester will struggle this year, and could very well be relegated.

Liverpool
Alright so time for Southampton. Or wait... Lallana, Lambert and Lovren. This isn't Southampton? I don't know what's the most bizarre, the fact that Liverpool has bought half of Southampton's starting lineup before this season, or the fact that Liverpool has Southampton in the very first game. Man will that be awkward. The already mentioned Lallana, Lambert and Lovren are strengthening the midfield, attack and defense, and with other additions like Markovic, Can and Manquillo, Liverpool has done a really strong transfer window. The big elephant in the room is of course the question of "How will Liverpool do without Suarez?". I think Liverpool will finish top4, but with the addition of Champions League, contending for the title will be tougher. I think the one thing they really need is a huge star transfer, and someone who could fill Suarez´ shoes. Either Cavani or Falcao, someone who could score those goals. Because Sturridge will have his dips during the season for sure. Still, Rodgers is probably the most exciting manager in the league, he has a young and talented team, and Liverpool played some of the best football in Europe last year. It's just a joy to watch them. Players like Coutinho and Sterling will continue to improve as well.

Manchester City
The previous league winners of last year, and a team many people are holding as favorites. I actually think Manchester City will miss out on the top4 this year. I'm not that impressed, and the way they got hammered by Arsenal last week, even if it was just the Community Shield, that says something about a team. I think Pellegrini is overrated as a manager, and a lot of the times last year, his tactical failures were salvaged by him having such a good team. I think City will miss out on the top4, but they could go far in Champions League instead. They have strengthened with Mangala and Fernando, two rigid/solid and defense-minded players, as well as a second goalkeeper in Caballero. Add in some experience in Frank Lampard (most odd transfer this summer?) and a young talent in Zuculini. I think City will fail mostly because of Pellegrini's tactical errors, but I still see them finishing 5th, because even if Pellegrini makes errors, they still have players like Aguero, Silva, Toure, Jovetic, Dzeko and Negredo, who all can decide games with their goals.

Manchester United
Time for the team I'm rooting for myself. A new manager in Louis Van Gaal, and two strong transfers in Shaw and Herrera. Pre-season has been incredible and without the extra pressure of Champions League, I think Man United will be this season's Liverpool of last year. The team that flies under the radar and contends for the title under everyone's noses. We still need at least 2, but maybe 3 transfers in my opinion. A versatile defender (either Blind or Rojo), and a central midfielder (Vidal). If we can get those additions, I think the problems are solved for now. I actually think Man United could win the title this year. The team is still great and with a competent manager and good additions (unlike how it looked last season), this could be a very special year. Like I said, we need those 2 or 3 transfers to really make this special, but even with the team we have now, I think top4 is more than doable.

Newcastle
Similar to Liverpool, Newcastle has kept busy this summer. New players in Cabella, De Jong, Riviere, Ferreyra, Colback, Perez and Janmaat, I think Newcastle could have a nice season this year. If I had to guess, I would say top10 probably. Around the 8-10 positions. They have a nice team with some real talent, they have an amazing fanbase and it's always hard for teams to go to their home stadium and get a good result. After their weak season last year, I think they wanna get back on track with something special, and there's no high pressure they gotta live up to after last year's disappointment. I think they will show us what they're capable of, and they have signed some really good players this window. Not a team for the highest top of the table, but they should be upper half at least.

Queens Park Rangers
Together with Burnley and Leicester, QPR are the third and final newcomers for this season. I think they'll stay up, and I think they have the best chances out of the three. You got a solid Premier League manager in Harry Redknapp, one of the greatest profiles of the league, and it's nice to have him back. They have brought in solid additions in Ferdinand/Caulker to strengthen the defense, Mutch in the midfield, who had a great season with Cardiff last year, and some international flair in Isla from Juventus. I think QPR are too good on paper to go down, but I see them finishing maybe 15-16 place or something. I don't see them blowing us away this year, but they're also too good (at least on paper) to go down again, which happened last time they were up.

Southampton
If I could describe Southampton, I would compare them to a battered corpse. Last season they were amazing. But the way they have been dismantled this summer has been painful for me to watch, and I'm not one of their own supporters, so I could only imagine what hell the supporters have been through. First, they lost their amazing manager Pochettino, who joined Tottenham. Then they started losing players, and wow did they lose players. Lallana, Lovren and Lambert all joined Liverpool. Shaw joined Man United, and Chambers joined Arsenal. Schneiderlin posted on twitter in anger that he wanted to leave the club, and a lot of rumors have been circulating about Schneiderlin and Rodriguez being on their way out. So Southampton have already lost 5 starting players, all who had a huge impact last year, with 1 or 2 more looking to leave. Add a new manager in Koeman, who doesn't have PL experience, and you have a mess. They have brought in a few exciting names like Shane Long, Frazer Forster, Pelle, Bertrand, Taider and Tadic, but it's hard to say how some of them will adjust to the league. Still, I think Southampton will stay up. Despite being utterly dismantled and slaughtered, they have a competent manager, they have one of the best youth academies in England, and they have a few pretty good players. A few more additions before deadline day and next season doesn't have to be that bad.

Stoke
Stoke is pretty much the definition of a firm and rigid mid-team table in Premier League. They're pretty strong defensively and Mark Hughes who took over last year has been working on their offense to improve as well. With the additions of Bojan (the old Barcelona striker who never became the next Messi), Teixeira and two Premier League merited players in Sidwell and Bardsley, I think Stoke will have another solid season. They could very well finish in the upper half, like the 9-10 places. I'm not a huge fan of Mark Hughes or Stoke, but it's hard to overlook the fact that they are pretty darn solid. Some decent transfers and they will probably continue to look good.

Sunderland
Another team with a lot of new faces this summer. Rodwell, Pantilimon, Jones, Gomez, Vergini, van Aanholt and Buckley, with Borini rumored to join from Liverpool. My biggest doubt is not the quality of the team, but Poyet as the manager. They managed the great escape last spring when they were looking to go down, but managed to stay up after a few impressing games towards the end. Still, a lot of new names and I'm not too sure. I don't think they will go down, but there's a lot of work for Poyet to make this team solid again. Sunderland has been very up and down the last few years, and what they really need is some consistency.

Swansea
Similar to Southampton but a very light version of it, Swansea is a team I loved a few seasons ago, but they have slowly been dismantled and they're not the same anymore. Monk as the manager, there's problem nr1. He has the position because he's a club legend as a player, but he is unproven as a manager. They have brought in a few interesting names in Gomis, Montero, Fabianski and Sigurdsson, and at their core, they play offensive and beautiful attacking football. I think Swansea are too good to go down, but they need to start showing more this season than they did last year. It's time for Monk to step up as a manager and show the world what kind of manager he is, and what kind of football he wants to play.

Tottenham Hotspur
Tottenham have been laying fairly low so far this summer, but they got loads of transfers last season, so there's still a lot of untapped potential. Great addition in Pochettino as the manager, and I like the transfers of Dier from Sporting, and Davies and Vorm from Swansea. There are questionmarks regarding players like Lamela and Soldado, but if Pochettino can get those players to perform (and I think he can), Spurs could very well be a contender for Champions League places this year. The team is strong on paper, and this could be a nice year for them. A nice start away against West Ham today, let's see what they can do. I expect them to be in the top7 this year.

West Bromwich Albions
WBA has one of the least experienced managers in Irvine, and they could have a rough season this year. The team still looks better than some of the newcomers, and they have done some transfers in players like Brown, Lescott, Gamboa, Wisdom, Gardner and Pocognoli, but they're a bit of a joker team this season. I think they'll stay up, but finish somewhere in the 14-17 region. I can't say I'm excited to watch them or anything, but they have some experienced players, and staying up should be doable.

West Ham United
Some questionmarks regarding manager Sam Allardyce, but they have done some sweet transfers in Enner Valencia (who was amazing in the World Cup), Mauro Zarate (former wonderkid of Lazio/Inter) as well as Carl Jenkinson of Arsenal. I think West Ham are too solid to go out, but they still need to improve from last season when they weren't very good. It's a classic London club and I hope they stay up, but I also hope they play more offensively than they have in the past.


-----------------------My predictions for the table this season:----------------------------------------

1. Manchester United (yes I'm an optimist!)
2. Arsenal
3. Chelsea
4. Liverpool
5. Manchester City
6. Tottenham
7. Everton
8. Newcastle
9. Stoke
10. Hull
11. Swansea
12. Southampton
13. West Ham United
14. Sunderland
15. Queens Park Rangers
16. West Bromwich Albions
17. Crystal Palace
18. Aston Villa
19. Leicester
20. Burnley


------------------------------------This weekend's games:-------------------------------------------------
Today:

12:45 - Manchester United - Swansea (1)
15:00 - Leicester - Everton (2)
15:00 - Queens Park Rangers - Hull (1)
15:00 - Stoke - Aston Villa (1)
15:00 - West Bromwich - Sunderland (X)
15:00 - West Ham - Tottenham (2)
17:30 - Arsenal - Crystal Palace (1)

Tomorrow:

13:30 - Liverpool - Southampton (1)
16:00 - Newcastle - Manchester City (X)

Monday:

20:00 - Burnley - Chelsea (2)


LETS GET EXCIIIIIIIITED
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on August 16, 2014, 04:48:53 AM
Oh yeah :metal

As a Man Utd fan I have bigger expectations than last season with a new coach in Van Gaal and some new players (it can't get much worse than with Moyes...). Nine players on the injury list right now though, and I looked forward to seeing Luke Shaw today against Swansea. But I have no doubts that he will be one of the most important players for United this season once he's back to full health. I don't know if they can compete for the league title though, with a few more transfers perhaps? Top 4 should be the goal first and foremost - and do well in the EURO League.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 16, 2014, 04:55:44 AM
Man United aren't in the EURO league. ;) I think Shaw will be great but I think Herrera will be the shining star. The central midfield has been screaming for additions for a few years now, and Herrera will be an amazing fit. I think he could finish high in the assist league this season.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on August 16, 2014, 04:57:20 AM
Oh, I somehow thought they qualified for the EURO League :P ;D

I don't know anything about Herrera but yes they have been aching for a creative midfielder for long now. Hopefully he will fill that role.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2014, 07:59:45 AM
Oh dear, not a very good start for United. Still, I'm expecting them to have a slow start and pick up as the season progresses and the team gets used to Van Gaal's style. Not sure of they'll be able to challenge for the title, depends on how quickly they stabilise!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on August 16, 2014, 08:30:34 AM
Heh, another German player retired from the national team (Mertesacker). They probably all figure to go out while on top.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2014, 08:35:10 AM
Good news for Arsenal, fitness wise.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 16, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
10 players out and some players like Fellaini/Fletcher who should not be in the starting lineup. It's a disappointment, and it might take some time before LvG washes out the Moyes out of the club. It's baffling how much Moyes fucked things up. If Ferguson's career in Man United is summed up as "How I built the best team in the world over 25 years", Moyes should be called "How I completely dismantled a dream team in 12 months".

Oh well, there's gonna be lost points for all top teams and Spurs are having a tough game against West Ham as we speak. Hopefully Man United sign 2-3 players during the week and we bounce back against Sunderland next weekend.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2014, 05:20:54 PM
Chelsea!!!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: orcus116 on August 18, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
Hell yeah. I'm bummed I missed the opener but I can't complain.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 18, 2014, 06:45:45 PM
What happened today at the beginning was the type of game that they would've lost last year. But holy sexyness that Cesc pass to Schurrle!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 18, 2014, 07:59:26 PM
Rojo is going to Man U for about 20M plus Nanni. I also read somewhere they're going to make a big offer for Di Maria. I think both are great additions but they're the team is still lacking some good inside midfielder.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 19, 2014, 02:49:02 AM
I don't know what to think about Rojo, he's decent I guess. But it's a lot of money, and I would rather see them get Blind. As for Di Maria, he's obviously a big talent, the main questions for me would be 1) how does he fit into this system? will he play as a wingback or central midfielder? 2) is he worth the HUGE pricetag?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 19, 2014, 04:18:16 AM
Before the World Cup I would have said Rojo was an awful signing but he proved he can play as a wing back and he has played central defender and stopper positions as well so he's quite versatile. I also think Blind would have been a great choice and a more affordable one. As far as Di Maria goes, he was one of Real Madrid's best players if not the best and it's a crime he wasn't nominated for the best player of the season. It doesn't matter how much Man U pay, he's worth it.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 19, 2014, 04:47:19 AM
Yeah, Di Maria was really good last year. My only thought was that if they were willing to spend that amount of money, they might as well get Vidal in, who's probably a slightly better fit as for what the team needs. But with that said, it's not like the fans will be disappointed if we get Di Maria. It's gonna be some intense days before the window closes.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 21, 2014, 07:49:47 AM
Balotelli to Liverpool, where did that come from?  :lol

Oh well, I guess you gotta replace one dumbass with another.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 21, 2014, 11:18:19 AM
My thoughts exactly  :lol. He has to be one of the most overrated players in the world.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 21, 2014, 08:01:35 PM
I really want to get into Premier League, but I don't know what team I want to cheer for. Helpz!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2014, 02:18:32 AM
I really want to get into Premier League, but I don't know what team I want to cheer for. Helpz!

It kinda depends on what you like about the game. First of all, does it have to be one of the top teams contending for titles or can it be like a smaller team? If you like defensive and tactical games, Chelsea are pretty strong, if you like teams that play a fun attacking football, Liverpool or Arsenal might be more up your alley. If you want a smaller team that plays attacking football you also have teams like Southampton or Swansea that are essentially Liverpool/Arsenal light. Everton is another exciting team if you're looking for a good team that is kind of the underdog, a team that can finish top7, same goes for Tottenham. Or maybe Manchester United if you're interested in a team that just a few years ago was the best and biggest team in the world, had a really tough last season and are now looking to get back on top.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on August 22, 2014, 02:56:21 AM
Come on, become a Man United supporter! Things can only get better from now  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Heretic on August 22, 2014, 09:16:34 PM
I really like both Man U and Arsenal, but I enjoy watching basically all of the teams play when I can.

However, my true soccer club is Barca. :D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 23, 2014, 04:28:31 AM
Alright so this weekend's games in the Premier League: (and my predictions)

Today:
12:45 - Aston Villa - Newcastle (X)
15:00 - Chelsea - Leicester (1)
15:00 - Crystal Palace - West Ham (X)
15:00 - Southampton - West Bromwich (1)
15:00 - Swansea - Burnley (1)
17:30 - Everton - Arsenal (X)

Tomorrow:
13:30 - Hull - Stoke (X)
13:30 - Tottenham - Queens Park Rangers (1)
16:00 - Sunderland - Manchester United (2)

Monday:
20:00 - Manchester City - Liverpool (X)

-----------------

The biggest highlight is for sure Man City - Liverpool, which I'll probably miss since it's on a Monday. (god damn you Monday-games) But Everton - Arsenal is another highlight. I think Man United are gonna have a tough game against Sunderland, and might very well continue dropping points. Herrera is injured and the rest of our midfield is pretty much awful, so this will be painful to watch. I'm hoping for a win, we need it badly. But what we need more is signings. 
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on August 24, 2014, 07:31:40 AM
Looks like it's official that Di Maria will go to United now. Ancelotti has confirmed the transfer.

Chelsea took another comfortable win yesterday, and Arsenal managed to get a draw against Everton. Hopefully Man United will take a win today against Sunderland.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: GentlemanofDread on August 24, 2014, 07:42:20 AM
Spurs, 3-0 up. Dier scored.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 24, 2014, 08:08:24 AM
Spurs are looking strong. Yeah, Man United really needs 3 points against Sunderland today. I don't even care how we get them as long as we get them. A lot of rumors about Di Maria, Blind and maybe even a third person (Vidal or De Jong) being on their way to the club. I would be really happy with that, but it's important to not screw up the season before these players arrive. 3 Points today and we can move forward from there. I would be thrilled with Di Maria and Blind, I think both would be incredible additions. Vidal is still my dream transfer, but if he isn't possible, I still think De Jong is a fine choice. He's not as good, but he is a solid defensive midfielder, and he has done well both in Man City, Milan and the national team, and Van Gaal knows him.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on August 24, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
Man, I really want to follow the PL and watch some games, but the one channel that airs PL games here in Holland isn't available to me :(
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 27, 2014, 11:14:33 AM
What a fiasco for Man U, how can you lose 4-0 against such a lousy team? Anyways, it seems they made an offer for Vidal, a very necessary signing for them. They just need to get another good defender now
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 27, 2014, 11:24:37 AM
What a fiasco for Man U, how can you lose 4-0 against such a lousy team? Anyways, it seems they made an offer for Vidal, a very necessary signing for them. They just need to get another good defender now

The starting line-up was pretty bad, but that doesn't justify 4-0. It's a combination of the team having no momentum with the confidence being in the bottom, and having way too much trust in your youngsters who aren't good enough. It's nice that we got Di Maria, but in my opinion we would also need Vidal, Blind and someone like Hummels if this is going to be okay. People bash Smalling and Jones, but Evans was just awful last night. If he is our best defender, this is not good.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 27, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
Milan is apparently in talks to acquire Fernando Torres (THANK YOU OBAMA) and grabbed Van Ginkel on loan.

With MVG out, the Chelsea midfield has lost depth so I guess they loaned him out to sign someone/bring Pogba. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 27, 2014, 11:58:06 AM
Smalling, Jones and Evans suck. Getting Hummels would be amazing since in my opinion he is currently the best defender in the planet but I get the feeling he doesn't want to leave BVB. Barcelona already tried for him and he said he didn't want to leave.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 27, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
And Van Ginkel rejected the loan. Welp
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on August 27, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
What a fiasco for Man U, how can you lose 4-0 against such a lousy team?

They can't be that lousy if they beat Manchester United 4-0. Just because they're in a lower division doesn't make them less good, especially in MK Dons' case, as they've been working their way up through the League system since forming only 10 years ago.

Still, it was an extraordinary evening. With the 6-6 draw in the first round, it seems the League Cup is producing more shocks (and hence entertainment and headlines) than the FA Cup these days, especially after the incredible events of 2012/13.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 30, 2014, 10:44:39 AM
lolManU

Also, pretty funny that all week the news been that Costas made not play today against Everton because of a hamstring and he not only starts but scores a goal in less than a minute!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on August 30, 2014, 12:07:46 PM
I hope somebody else is watching this fucking Everton/Chelsea game! This is crazy!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on September 01, 2014, 03:26:00 AM
Okay, apparently Man United has signed a loan deal with Falcao!

That's nice and all but it's defenders and midfielders we need the most :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on September 01, 2014, 03:55:54 AM
If the Falcao deal is real, that came out of the blue. It's hard for me to complain because Rooney have been pretty darn lazy so far, and RvP is far from fit. It does sadden me that Hernandez is going out on loan as well as Kagawa leaving, since both are personal favorites, but I can understand why they will go. I have a feeling we'll see a team like this:

If we're going with 3-5-2:

--------------De Gea---------------
-----Jones----Evans----Rojo-----
-Di Maria-Herrera-Blind-Shaw-
--------------Mata------------------
------RvP/Rooney-Falcao--------

Possibly Blind in the defense instead of either Jones/Evans with Carrick in the midfield. 

If we're going with a 4-3-3

-------------De Gea---------------
Rafael-Jones/Evans-Rojo-Shaw
Herrera--Blind/Carrick--Di Maria
-Rooney----RvP/Falcao----Mata-

I'm pretty happy overall, I think the transfers are all really good. I would however be even happier if we could replace Evans or Smalling with a new CB (someone like Hummels) and replace some of the dead weight in the midfield (like Fletcher or Cleverley) with a good CM (possibly Strootman in January?). But we've already taken in so many this window that I don't see it as possible to get those positions until January at best.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on September 01, 2014, 06:20:12 AM
I like your first option the most but with Blind on defense, Di Maria where Blind is right now and Januzaj where Di Maria is. Not a lot of defense but with that much offensive power who cares?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Heretic on September 01, 2014, 08:32:01 AM
I hope somebody else is watching this fucking Everton/Chelsea game! This is crazy!

It was absolutely insane. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time wondering which way it would go.

Tim Howard was impressive in the WC, but here... eh.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on September 02, 2014, 06:24:39 AM
I know there's a lot of focus on Falcao but I just gotta take the time to post this:

(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10636021_10152411694267746_2781254649755486076_n.jpg?oh=30c499e39cb79343afd8dd16aaebeb88&oe=545BCB11)

I'm not gay, or even bi, but this guy is just really darn good looking. He might even beat Ramsey as the best looking guy in the league IMO. Man crush  :heart
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on September 02, 2014, 06:28:16 AM
I wonder how many "Blind" jokes there will be in the English press this season :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on September 02, 2014, 06:32:18 AM
Yeah there's a lot of room for bad puns with his name. I'm not sure how you pronounce it though, my dad thought you pronounced it "Blint" or something like that, but you just know the commentators will say "Blind" either way.  :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on September 02, 2014, 06:49:20 AM
Well, it's gonna be that Oscar situation all over again when he played for Chelsea, I guess. I dunno if you guys had it on Sky Sports, but we Russians had a lot of commentators trying to be funny and making puns about him getting or not getting the Academy Award for his actions.

Of course, the worst case for Russians was about Samir Nasri, because if you pronounce Nasri with emphasis on the last syllable, it turns into a verb "to shit" in imperative mood, and there were a lot of those subtle and obviously not amusing at all jokes until all the commentators were apparently forced to put an emphasis on the first syllable instead.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on September 02, 2014, 06:59:08 AM
Yeah there's a lot of room for bad puns with his name. I'm not sure how you pronounce it though, my dad thought you pronounced it "Blint" or something like that, but you just know the commentators will say "Blind" either way.  :P
Yeah it is basically pronounced "Blint", and UK commentators are surprisingly good at pronouncing names the way they are supposed to. So from a commentary perspective, I think it'll be fine.

Puns in the press are an absolute guarantee though.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on September 04, 2014, 04:09:08 AM
Watched Germany-Argentina friendly yesterday. Wtf, at some point it was 4:0 for Argentina. Granted, it was a friendly so they weren't giving it all, and the team had three retirements since the WC, but dang. Ended up being 4:2 in the end.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on September 04, 2014, 04:19:08 AM
What happened was a healthy Di Maria, a healthy Agüero and a new coach who likes playing offense. Also no pressure.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on September 04, 2014, 04:56:03 AM
I sure hope Di Maria will bring his awesome playing to Man Utd. He was brilliant last night.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on September 07, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
Portugal seems to be in deep trouble, they lost against Albania, wtf.
And Gibraltar, I mean, good for them that they want to play too, but their games will continue to be a shit show.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 16, 2014, 06:06:12 AM
This thread needs some reviving and what a better topic to do so than Thierry Henry announcing his retirement. He's one of the best players I've had the pleasure to watch and I'm pretty sure that no matter what team you're a fan of you have enjoyed his game.

Here's a video with some awesome goals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqkykj1tTpE)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on December 16, 2014, 07:18:36 AM
He played for the Red Bulls, right? I saw him play just a few weeks ago, against the Revolution.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on December 16, 2014, 07:25:15 AM
For a bit, yeah. He was most famous as an Arsenal player, then went to Barcelona for a short while before heading over to the States to play for the Red Bulls.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on December 16, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
I've only really been getting into football since this year's World Cup, so I haven't seen much of Thierry Henry (or in that regard, of any other player) so far. That video was great though, and I know he's a fantastic player. Sad to see him announce his retirement, but you've got to stop sometime!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: GentlemanofDread on December 16, 2014, 07:40:16 PM
As a Spurs fan, Henry was the bane of my existence, but he was one of the best. Shame to see him retire.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2015, 06:20:28 PM
Long time since last post!

Watched the Bayern Munich vs BvB Dortmund game today, German cup semifinals.
Incredible game, my heart was racing during the penalties (I'm rooting for Dortmund). And then Bayern doesn't hit a single time!!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on April 28, 2015, 06:26:11 PM
I really want to get into Premier League, but I don't know what team I want to cheer for. Helpz!

It kinda depends on what you like about the game. First of all, does it have to be one of the top teams contending for titles or can it be like a smaller team? If you like defensive and tactical games, Chelsea are pretty strong, if you like teams that play a fun attacking football, Liverpool or Arsenal might be more up your alley. If you want a smaller team that plays attacking football you also have teams like Southampton or Swansea that are essentially Liverpool/Arsenal light. Everton is another exciting team if you're looking for a good team that is kind of the underdog, a team that can finish top7, same goes for Tottenham. Or maybe Manchester United if you're interested in a team that just a few years ago was the best and biggest team in the world, had a really tough last season and are now looking to get back on top.

Wow what a late response :lol


I've been keeping track of it this year. I don't get to watch the games much because I'm in the USA, and I think they show games on one station.

Teams that I would consider getting into:

Arsenal
Southampton
Everton
Manchester United
Aston Villa (Why, I don't know :lol)

Teams I don't really care for:

Well. Chelsea :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on April 28, 2015, 06:31:10 PM
I don't get to watch the games much because I'm in the USA, and I think they show games on one station.

I used to be the same, but then I discovered SopCast and AceStream, and the beautiful site http://www.livefootballol.com/ :D
I watched the Bayern-Dortmund game in pristine quality on my laptop.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on April 28, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
I don't get to watch the games much because I'm in the USA, and I think they show games on one station.

I used to be the same, but then I discovered SopCast and AceStream, and the beautiful site http://www.livefootballol.com/ :D
I watched the Bayern-Dortmund game in pristine quality on my laptop.

Oh wow, thanks! :)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on April 29, 2015, 02:04:47 PM
So it looks like it's going to be Wolfsburg vs. Dortmund in the German Cup Final? Sorry Rumborak, but I'm rooting for Wolfsburg ;) I love the way Dortmund fought their way back into the Bundesliga mid-table though. I remember when I was in Berlin in January and February; they weren't looking well back then, IIRC.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 07, 2015, 12:29:26 PM
Anyone else following the Women's World Cup?

I'm watching Norway - Thailand and it's really good stuff, Norway especially play really well (though Thailand in their first ever WWC aren't presenting much of a challenge).
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 07, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
I have not watched any yet but I plan to follow the USA team :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 07, 2015, 12:54:52 PM
Yeah I'll be following England of course.

I've never really watched much Women's Football before, so I'm interested to know whether teams like Germany and Brazil play in a similar manner to their male counterparts.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 07, 2015, 01:03:04 PM
I only watched a bit of last World Cup, and it was pretty enjoyable.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 07, 2015, 03:12:25 PM
Germany is dismantling Ivory Coast. Not surprisingly of course, CIV qualified for the first time.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 07, 2015, 04:06:00 PM
Wow, that was a kinda ridiculous game. 10:0.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 07, 2015, 04:11:46 PM
Germany is dismantling Ivory Coast. Not surprisingly of course, CIV qualified for the first time.
Yeah even moreso than the men's World Cup I can see there being a vast gap between the experienced teams and the newer ones.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Heretic on June 07, 2015, 07:59:50 PM
Props to FC Barcelona for their treble, winning the Champions League, La Liga, and the Copa del Rey all in the span of a month. It's absolutely incredible.

Also-- did anyone else see the USA v Netherlands friendly on Friday? The USA were incredible with their comeback win!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 08, 2015, 01:41:01 AM
That's because the Netherlands were playing increddibly naive. 3-1 lead and you give it away like that? Shamefull. We did get a severe lesson in effective counter play, though. Kudos for the USA team on that score. But the defending was dreadful.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on June 08, 2015, 04:08:20 AM
That's because the Netherlands were playing increddibly naive. 3-1 lead and you give it away like that? Shamefull. We did get a severe lesson in effective counter play, though. Kudos for the USA team on that score. But the defending was dreadful.
Agreed.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on June 08, 2015, 04:51:08 AM
Anyone else following the Women's World Cup?

I would if the time difference was better. Tonight Sweden is playing their first game at 10 PM, and their two other games will be played at 2 AM.


I don't want to be up all night and then work during the day  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 08, 2015, 06:33:45 AM
Yeah the latest slot is a bit late for us in the UK, but the earlier ones work out fine. Glad to see that the BBC is broadcasting every match, at least online. Hopefully that also means being able to catch up on all the highlights/goals (of which it looks like there could be many!).

Was talking about it with a colleague today, and we agreed that, although men's football is understandably faster and more powerful, women's ends up being pretty much as enjoyable to watch. The only real difference between the men's and women's world cups is that one is played by whiny little bitches and the other is played by professional sportswomen.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 08, 2015, 10:09:50 AM
In general I am very pleasantly surprised at the level of soccer I've seen so far. I think the days where the Women's World Cup was mostly just as exercise in equality are coming to an end.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 08, 2015, 11:19:42 AM
Yeah it´s growing very fast. Too bad the Dutch women´s competition is managed so amateurishly. I remember when I worked at Feyenoord Football club a couple of years, there was a real 50´s mentality about the whole woman football thing. The whole idea of setting up a professional woman´s team was met with real hostility back then. While the talent was all around every year on the talent days. Such a shame.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 08, 2015, 11:58:27 AM
Tonight's game (USA-AUS) should definitely be more competitive.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Heretic on June 08, 2015, 09:53:29 PM
Megan Rapinoe is just phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 09, 2015, 02:17:25 AM
Saw some highlights of the game this morning, looks like it was a really good match. Same with Netherlands - NZ. I haven't caught any highlights of Sweden - Nigeria yet, but that looks like a very closely fought game, ending at 3-3!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 09, 2015, 06:22:49 AM
Rapinoe stood out yesterday, for sure. In fact, in the first half I was thinking "this way the US isn't going anywhere in the World Cup". In the second half they picked up, looked a lot better.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 09, 2015, 06:37:36 AM
I stopped watching the Sweden - Nigeria match after the first half, but now I'm regretting I did!  :blush
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on June 09, 2015, 07:01:21 AM
I stopped watching the Sweden - Nigeria match after the first half, but now I'm regretting I did!  :blush

I had to get to sleep after the first one, but I am disappoint that they lost a 2-0 lead and only got 3-3. Half of the team got cramp in their legs, blamed it on the fake grass on the pitch...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 09, 2015, 07:27:25 AM
Aren't Swedish players used to playing on artificial grass  ;) Yeah well, it was an entertaining game for sure!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 09, 2015, 03:01:47 PM
Hopefully with that sexist pig Blatter out of the equation, that whole artificial turf idea will be nixed forever.

BTW, can someone explain to me how games like "1D vs 3BEF" work? What's team "3BEF"? I mean, you can't compare the 3rd places of the different groups, can you? They never played each other.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 09, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Just another FIFA cluster F. Once they decided to add teams to the world cup field. They also changed the yellow card rule which is another cluster f.  That said, I have basically watched every game, and despite my despise they are playing on artificial turf, it has been a great cup.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 10, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
So USA beat Germany in a friendly, 2-1. That's pretty impressive beating them and Netherlands back to back like that. Don't really care if it's a friendly, I still think it's impressive. Hoping maybe they'll reach higher in 2018!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 11, 2015, 02:02:31 AM
Once the USA decides it wants to take a particular sport seriously, it generally pumps resource in and it's not very long until it's one of the best teams in the world. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on June 11, 2015, 02:20:26 AM
Once the USA decides it wants to take a particular sport seriously

I can't see that happening with soccer, they seem to want to ridicule it every chance they get.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 11, 2015, 02:44:52 AM
Not sure I agree, I think they take it more and more seriously all the time.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 11, 2015, 03:49:01 AM
Bout freakin' time. Took em long enough!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on June 11, 2015, 03:55:00 AM
Not sure I agree, I think they take it more and more seriously all the time.

I hope you're right, Rich.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: wasteland on June 11, 2015, 04:09:43 AM
Props to FC Barcelona for their treble, winning the Champions League, La Liga, and the Copa del Rey all in the span of a month. It's absolutely incredible.

Not a words for us? We so close to winning the treble as well  :(
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 11, 2015, 08:26:29 AM
The US played well, and it's good to see they're getting better under Klinsi (who sang both anthems, lol).
That said though, Germany was definitely only really trying in the first half, to save their key players for the game on the weekend. Most of them are tired from the regular season and had to interrupt their vacation for the game.
So, kudos to the US, but Germany has a history of losing friendlies, because we use them to try out things.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 11, 2015, 02:30:44 PM
Germany in red and Norway in white - that's really confusing!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 12, 2015, 07:33:18 AM
Today is an al day soccer fest. Italy in qualify, U.S women at night. I am in soccer heaven
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on June 12, 2015, 08:08:07 AM
Sweden vs US tonight, I don't have any high hopes after the opening game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 12, 2015, 08:30:23 AM
Today is an al day soccer fest. Italy in qualify, U.S women at night. I am in soccer heaven

This whole week has been/will be insane. Two men internationals, and two women games.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 12, 2015, 08:53:33 PM
That was an awful game.

I'm definitely also rooting for the US, but they better step up their game if they want to win this thing.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 13, 2015, 04:32:54 AM
Saw it was 0-0, obviously you get good 0-0 games but from your reaction it sounds like it was pretty dreary.

England - Mexico tonight!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 13, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
It was dreary, yeah. In 90 minutes, there were only two actual chances in front of the goal for the US, and even those were total clusterfuck. The Swedish had no chance during the whole game.

Germany-Gibraltar!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 13, 2015, 08:19:48 AM
Germany-Gibraltar!

I'll be watching this one!

I wanted to see Ireland - Scotland instead, but I had to work today, so I won't be able to get to the pub in time. Germany - Gibraltar it is. :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 13, 2015, 01:34:58 PM
Jeeesus. Germany is not world champion material right now, that's for sure.

EDIT: Wow, way to turn the game around!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 14, 2015, 06:31:18 AM
Jeeesus. Germany is not world champion material right now, that's for sure.

EDIT: Wow, way to turn the game around!

It'll be interesting to see the generational change. There were some names on the team I'd never heard before
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 14, 2015, 06:55:52 AM
Yeah, well, this result was pretty much expected. Gibraltar looked decent though, props to them.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 14, 2015, 03:08:41 PM
I think they blew everything that had on the first half. After that the floodgates opened.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 15, 2015, 03:59:19 PM
German girls are playing very well, 4:0 against Thailand today.
Go USA!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2015, 01:29:43 AM
USA should progress easily enough tonight.

I was thinking that it's harsh for Netherlands to have come third on goals scored, with the same points and goal difference as China. But I forgot the WWC has fewer groups than the men's WC, so some of the third place teams get through. They have a chance yet!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2015, 08:01:25 AM
Not all third places get through though, right? Like, Germany will play "3rd of group B/C/D " or something, which means they're somehow selecting from those groups. Based on points, goal difference? No matter the selection method, it will be inherently unfair, since it's comparing apples and oranges.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2015, 09:10:33 AM
Yeah, I assume it'll be the highest point/GD scoring 3rd places.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
Looked it up afterwards, yeah. It's first total points, then goal difference. So, unless the remaining games come out really badly, Netherlands are still in.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2015, 12:50:32 PM
Yeah I caught the BBC's highlights and the commentator there said 4 points should get them through.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2015, 12:55:09 PM
The US better win tonight. Because that will get them to the correct "arm" of the bracket, where, if both Germany and the US keep winning in the knockout stages, I will see them play against each other in Montreal. That would be beyond awesome.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2015, 03:27:50 PM
Nice. :lol Presumably you'd root for Germany?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2015, 04:05:14 PM
Yeah, that's been my stance so far. I'll root for the US as well of course, but not when they play Germany.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 16, 2015, 08:15:21 PM
Hmm. While I'm very happy the US came out top of the group, they really only barely did so. They played #33 in the world today, and for 20 minutes that team was even a man down, and yet they still successfully attacked the US. I don't know, for the second best team in the world this won should have been a lot easier.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 16, 2015, 11:58:39 PM
Sure but Nigeria were always going to fight (and they may be 33rd in the world but they attack nicely), plus the USA didn't need to wipe the floor with them. They still topped the group comfortably.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 17, 2015, 12:03:10 AM
Christen Press  :heart
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 17, 2015, 03:57:36 PM
Good lord, the England women's team make things as hard for themselves as the men's do! Playing well, reasonably comfortable 2-0 lead, then in injury time concede a sloppy goal and the last minute or so is utterly nerve-wracking!

Still, through in 2nd place with 6 points, so not bad!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 17, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
And getting out of the group stage is already better than the men's team  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 18, 2015, 02:31:52 AM
And getting out of the group stage is already better than the men's team  :biggrin:
Quiet you.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 19, 2015, 05:52:00 AM
Man, those women defenders are mean....

(http://static2.ad.nl/static/photo/2015/13/7/5/20150619092207/media_l_3108185.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 20, 2015, 03:36:49 PM
Germany looking pretty comfortable here, 3-0 and Sweden just don't seem like they're really trying very hard.

EDIT: Literally a minute later and it's 3-1. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 21, 2015, 04:46:54 PM
Looked very good though in the end. 4:1 is good.

Initially I was going to try to watch he France-Korea game, but 8 minutes in it was already 2:0. It was probably a totally uneven game.
USA-Colombia is probably going to be rather one-sided too.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 22, 2015, 01:40:40 AM
Well, Columbia beat France in their group game, so....
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on June 22, 2015, 03:21:45 AM
Germany looking pretty comfortable here, 3-0 and Sweden just don't seem like they're really trying very hard.

EDIT: Literally a minute later and it's 3-1. :lol

Sweden was an embarrassment in this World Cup. I had way higher hopes for them.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 22, 2015, 11:00:28 AM
Heard this one the other day:

What's the difference between a tea bag and the English national soccer team?









.....



The tea bag stays in the cup longer.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 22, 2015, 01:12:32 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 22, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
Tonite the States break out, There is bad blood between Columbia and the United States womens teams. U.S 4- Columbia 0. F with the bull u get the horns Columbia.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2015, 03:22:09 PM
Heard this one the other day:

What's the difference between a tea bag and the English national soccer team?

.....



The tea bag stays in the cup longer.
:lol Nice.

Not great against Norway so far - first 5 minutes we looked bright and energetic but subsequent 15 we've been very much on the back foot. Fairly tight game so far though.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2015, 04:58:06 PM
Having said all that, England came alive in the last half hour and looked much better. And Bronze's winning goal was fantastic, especially for a right back!

Feel a bit sorry for Norway as I really liked them and thought they've been a strong side in this world cup, but they seemed to lose all confidence once we equalised.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 22, 2015, 08:00:39 PM
US-Colombia was a very belabored game, damn.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 22, 2015, 08:04:07 PM
Good win for the US. Their defense is looking very good.

and again, Christen Press :heart
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 25, 2015, 01:25:26 AM
Well the Dutch team are out by Japan. Besides some gruiling horrible defending mistakes and a midfield that just kept passing the ball to the opponent, I think there's potential in this team. They're young, obviously have some good skills up front and for a first world cup, making it out of the group stage is a good start. But they're a long ways from being top 5.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 25, 2015, 02:05:34 AM
Japan are a good side as well, being reigning champions and all.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 26, 2015, 02:13:03 AM
France - Germany tonight! Could be a tight game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 26, 2015, 06:23:00 AM
I really hope I can see it. I'm going up to Montreal today, I might miss the first half.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 27, 2015, 11:01:43 AM
France-Germany was EPIC
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 27, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Missed the whole game, but arrived at the hotel in time to watch the penaly kicks.
Tuesday I get to see the mother of all games: USA-Germany!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zoom E on June 28, 2015, 12:46:42 AM
I attended the Canada - England match. As a Brit who has been a long time citizen of Canada, I support both teams, but I was cheering for Canada all the way in this one. Sadly they couldn't finish their chances.

Good luck to England in the semis!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 28, 2015, 05:59:01 AM
I thought Canada actually played better than England in that game. But, you snooze you lose. It only takes 10 minutes to decide the whole game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 28, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Germany-USA is going to be a monster match.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zoom E on June 28, 2015, 11:21:26 PM
I thought Canada actually played better than England in that game. But, you snooze you lose. It only takes 10 minutes to decide the whole game.

Yup. They made two blunders early on and found themselves down 2-0. I felt badly for France too. They deserved to go through.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 29, 2015, 07:12:47 AM
Didn't see any of the games as I was away on a weekend break, but man those quarter finals were awesome.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on June 30, 2015, 03:06:02 PM
Germany - USA tonight!

I assume you'll be watching it Rumby? It's a little late for me to stay up.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 30, 2015, 03:57:57 PM
Bring on Germany!!!!!!!!!!!!! USA 3 Germany 2 I hope
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: kingshmegland on June 30, 2015, 05:41:10 PM
So many opportunities for USA.  I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
Gotta love a celebration like that by the crowd following a missed penalty kick. :coolio
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 30, 2015, 06:45:06 PM
Fuck yea USA! 2-0
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Post by: kingshmegland on June 30, 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Fuck yea USA! 2-0

YEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2015, 07:02:00 PM
YES!!!! :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 30, 2015, 07:05:32 PM
Please win Japan. We want revenge!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 30, 2015, 07:20:19 PM
Gotta love my ladies. AWESOME performance.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on June 30, 2015, 08:59:06 PM
US played their best game so far, Germany just wasn't up to snuff. The penalty kick was bogus though, that should have been a free kick.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2015, 12:20:58 AM
Man, if England come somehow beat Japan, and England-USA final will be epic.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on July 01, 2015, 01:32:12 PM
I suspect a Germany-England on Saturday tbh.

Best quote i saw today regarding yesterday's game: Two goals, one cup.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2015, 03:57:24 PM
I suspect a Germany-England on Saturday tbh.
You're probably right, Japan look really good. Saw some of their game against Netherlands I think, and they have a lot of skill and class. But we've been building some momentum, so you never know.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on July 01, 2015, 05:43:44 PM
Well, if it is USA-England, then it would truly be Opposite Land to men's soccer :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2015, 06:55:43 PM
What a terrible way to lose.  That English gal who scored the own goal will never get over that.  Brutal.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on July 01, 2015, 07:22:46 PM
I am 48 years old and been playing/watching soccer since I was 4. I thought I saw everything. But yes that was brutal. England outplayed Japan. I played center back and that is one of the toughest balls to defense against. I had my share of own goal playing that position on similar plays. Brutal is an understatement given the timing and importance of the match.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on July 04, 2015, 03:39:22 PM
Not that either team are playing great, but England is playing ugly. There should have been a lot more cards already.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on July 04, 2015, 03:53:46 PM
Oh man, extra time for 3rd place. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on July 04, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
Can we skip the penalty kicks, and instead opt for mud wrestling?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on July 05, 2015, 12:23:59 AM
:lol

Really pleased for England to have managed 3rd place - the loss against Japan was so unlucky as they were the better side in the second half and really should have won.

Should be an interesting final - I'll be rooting for USA I think (not often I say that!).
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on July 05, 2015, 01:07:21 AM
Third place at the World Cup, going one step ahead of the men of Italia '90. Wow. Well done England!

Also, congratulations to Chile for winning their first Copa América last night.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 07:48:25 AM
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/FB_IMG_1436103994374_zpskpzlxhm1.jpg) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/FB_IMG_1436103994374_zpskpzlxhm1.jpg.html)

Well, I hope so.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on July 05, 2015, 10:20:12 AM
The ref sucked balls though in that game. IMHO, especially given how rough the game had been up to that (and a lot of coming from the English side), giving a penalty kick for that foul was not warranted. Especially also because the English gal held the German one by the arm before.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on July 05, 2015, 10:44:07 AM
Eh, I didn't think the ref was unusually bad.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on July 05, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
Really? It's always amazing how differently two people can watch the same event.
I was sitting with some other people in a bar watching the game, and when she gave the first yellow card in the second half, we were all "She found her cards!!" :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 12:19:54 PM
It's so nice to see bias with refs from all over the country.  It just means we're passionate about our teams or country.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2015, 05:08:50 PM
2-0 Team USA in the first five minutes! :metal
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Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 05:09:09 PM
Holy crap!
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Post by: rumborak on July 05, 2015, 05:11:21 PM
Air Canada fucked up, more than half an hour of delay. Standing at baggage claim right now, missed both goals  :tdwn
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 05:16:58 PM
X 2 Rumbo.
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Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
4-0!  This is a drubbing reminiscent of Germany/Brazil last year.
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Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Look at the position played. :lol

(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss272/kingshmegland/FB_IMG_1436138118540_zps7c7iol8f.jpg) (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/kingshmegland/media/FB_IMG_1436138118540_zps7c7iol8f.jpg.html)
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Post by: Cool Chris on July 05, 2015, 05:21:12 PM
US is making Japan their own personal Teresa Obert and son.
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Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 05:38:43 PM
USA is letting Japan dictate the pace.  They need to change that.
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Post by: kingshmegland on July 05, 2015, 06:52:24 PM
Congrats USA Women's Soccer team!!
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Post by: rumborak on July 05, 2015, 07:01:04 PM
Woot!!!
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Post by: KevShmev on July 05, 2015, 07:01:15 PM
Hell yeah!  Anti-climatic finish, but we'll take it. :tup :tup
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Post by: ariich on July 06, 2015, 12:06:27 AM
Awesome, congrats 'Murica! Japan were good in this tournament, but too arrogant for my tastes.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on July 06, 2015, 12:52:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/IWEWu6m.gif)
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Post by: Cool Chris on July 20, 2015, 01:19:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pqO6tK8_Wg

Manusia Ganteng 3 hours ago
 "We have to clean this first" Dude can't concentrate properly when there's lots of money in proximity.  :lol
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Post by: Dimitrius on July 25, 2015, 08:11:42 PM
https://vine.co/v/egwwmi79l10

Thibaut Courtois can do anything!!
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Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 08, 2015, 12:55:30 AM
So after watching last season of Premier League, I think I may like Manchester City the most. I find myself liking their players more than other teams for the most part. I'll probably support them and some other teams this season and see what happens.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on August 08, 2015, 07:59:03 AM
I don't know if anyone else watched the opening match today, but Tottenham made a decent run at it in Old Trafford today. Disappointing result for them- I really thought they deserved at least one point. A single, silly mistake cost them the game, despite being the greater threat throughout most of the game.

Go Bournemouth!
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Post by: Lowdz on August 09, 2015, 04:56:04 AM
After a few weeks of stress free weekends it starts again today. Come on Liverpool. Here's to a better season.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 10, 2015, 06:27:00 AM
After a few weeks of stress free weekends it starts again today. Come on Liverpool. Here's to a better season.

If yesterday's game is any indication you're up for a lot of stress  :P
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Post by: Zydar on August 10, 2015, 07:40:42 AM
Yeah I watched the Man United game against Tottenham on Saturday. Pretty lame match, and to win on an own goal... But it's three points anyway and it's nice to start the season off with a win.
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Post by: The Trooper on August 10, 2015, 07:58:16 AM
Interesting opening weekend in the EPL. Watched almost every game. Lets see what Man City has today. I do not think we will see  run away like last year. But there is still 3 weeks in transfer season. moves will be made. I still think that Chelsea, Man U, Man City, are the teams to beat. Stoke is my so called dark with West Brom. Arsenal is overrated and a cluster f going on there. On paper Chelsea is the team to beat. MONSTER team.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on August 11, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
So the goalkeeper of ADO Den Haag (Dutch Eredivisie) scored this goal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrsTKLzxSug) today. Wow. That's a world class goal, although a bit of luck was involved of course. Not really a fan of any Dutch team in particular but that was great.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 12, 2015, 06:12:53 AM
So the goalkeeper of ADO Den Haag (Dutch Eredivisie) scored this goal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrsTKLzxSug) today. Wow. That's a world class goal, although a bit of luck was involved of course. Not really a fan of any Dutch team in particular but that was great.

That is magnificent and should be nominated for Best goal of the year :clap:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on August 13, 2015, 01:35:15 AM
Come on, we're one game into the season. Goal of the year? already?
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Post by: Nekov on August 13, 2015, 06:50:36 AM
Come on, we're one game into the season. Goal of the year? already?

Well, we're in August so there's that  :P. But really, I know Zlatan can score one of those in any game, but still it will not be nearly as good as this one because of the context, it's a goal keeper scoring in one of the last plays of the game, managing to make the game a draw against the defending champion. Tough to beat
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Post by: Nekov on August 27, 2015, 10:41:21 AM
And we have the Champions Groups

Group A: Paris Saint-Germain, Real Madrid, Shakhtar Donetsk, Malmo
Group B: PSV, Manchester United, CSKA Moscow, Wolfsburg
Group C: Benfica, Atletico Madrid, Galatasaray, Astana
Group D: Juventus, Manchester City, Sevilla, Borussia Monchengladbach
Group E: Barcelona, Bayer Leverkusen, Roma, BATE
Group F: Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Olympiacos, Dinamo Zagreb
Group G: Chelsea, Porto, Dynamo Kiev, Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Group H: Zenit, Valencia, Lyon, Gent

Group D will be a massacre. It seems City can't catch a break in the Champions
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Post by: Dimitrius on August 27, 2015, 07:42:11 PM
Poor, Sevilla. They win the Europa League only to be drawn to the group of death!

Chelsea has an easy route to the round of 16, albeit with a lot of travel time!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on August 27, 2015, 09:33:26 PM
Group D is insane.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on August 28, 2015, 12:17:56 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing PSG coming to Malmö, since it's the home town of Zlatan Ibrahimovic and the club he played for when he was a youngster (he left them in 2001 for Ajax).
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on August 28, 2015, 03:03:30 AM
I don't think group D looks that tough. Juventus and City will 95% go through, Sevilla has a decent chance if City continues underperforming in Europe, but otherwise it looks pretty clear IMO.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on August 28, 2015, 05:55:02 AM
I don't think group D looks that tough. Juventus and City will 95% go through, Sevilla has a decent chance if City continues underperforming in Europe, but otherwise it looks pretty clear IMO.

Borussia M might not be a big name but it will no doubt give the other teams trouble
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on August 28, 2015, 07:08:41 AM
Yeah, I don't really see group D standing out either. Not easy for sure, but there are other groups of equal difficulty.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Peter on August 31, 2015, 02:39:30 PM
Soccer (football) is my favorite sport! My first season starts in about 1 week! My favorite team is without a doubt Man United.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on September 05, 2015, 10:05:41 AM
Germany seems to have gotten out of the post-WC rut, they looked good yesterday. If they also win against Scotland on Monday, they're virtually through.

Netherlands, oh boy. They better get their shit together soon.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on September 05, 2015, 10:34:59 AM
I am watching Russia vs Sweden right now. So far in the game it has been all Russia.
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Post by: Onno on September 05, 2015, 12:32:22 PM
Netherlands - Iceland was a disaster. The whole game was ruined by that idiotic foul from Martens Indi. What a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on September 06, 2015, 12:09:22 PM
Well, if our game against Iceland was a disaster, I've run out of words to describe this one.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 06, 2015, 12:45:42 PM
We f....´ed up again. Oh well, see you in four years.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on September 07, 2015, 06:33:55 AM
What the hell happened? You made it to the semi-finals of the world cup just last year
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 07, 2015, 07:55:38 AM
Yeah, starting to think luck had a lot to do with that.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 07, 2015, 08:17:13 AM
Even so, the Netherlands have one of the better teams in Europe, it's hard to believe that they can't qualify in a group that isn't that hard, regardless of Iceland playing 300% of what they are normally capable of.

It's actually sad when EURO 2016 runs without the Netherlands, and I really mean this, although I'm from Germany.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on September 07, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
This article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3224993/Holland-brink-missing-Euro-2016-just-14-months-finished-World-Cup-gone-wrong-Dutch.html) here has some good points
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Post by: Onno on September 07, 2015, 08:44:39 AM
Agreed, though that's a bid unusual for the Daily Mail I think  :lol
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Post by: senecadawg2 on September 09, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
It's bad karma from knocking Mexico out of the WC on a shitty flop. Of course it's not that simple, but I'm still a touch disappointed.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 09, 2015, 11:47:16 AM
Really? You guys are really still mad about that?
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Post by: senecadawg2 on September 09, 2015, 12:53:38 PM
Really? You guys are really still mad about that?

I'm not Mexican, so I don't even belong to that group of 'you guys'  :biggrin:

But as a relatively impartial fan of the game itself, it does disappoint me to see teams reap the benefits of cheating on the largest stage in the game.

At the same time, I've always enjoyed watching the Netherlands play and cheered for them several times (against Spain in 2010, for example) before so I'm also disappointed to see them struggling so much against teams like Iceland.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 10, 2015, 01:10:01 AM
Alright, I get that. But do me a favor. Go back and watch all the world cups, back as the earliest '60's and '70's.
Diving for penalty's has always been part of the game and it is, over time, more or less accepted as being part of the game.

We could start an entire thread about unncaceptable fouls in world cups and european cups and whatnot through the years. It's sour at the time when it happens, but we have to move on.
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Post by: Nekov on September 10, 2015, 06:06:06 AM
Yeah no, that's the main problem, people being ok with it. It's not Ok, it shouldn't happen and FIFA sooner rather than later needs to implement a replay system for these kind of plays. Not for all plays cause that wouldn't be feasible, but penalties and goals where there might have been an offside should be reviewed.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 10, 2015, 06:13:18 AM
Good point. FIFA has always blocked the implementation of video-reffereeing, or video-playback. The technology is there, why not use it? It works in (field/ice) hockey, it works in tennis. It may take up a few extra seconds, a minute tops. In a sport where the stakes are so high, especially in tournements like that or the Champion's League, why not introduce video and goal-line aid.

FIFA won't change it. Why? Beats me.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 10, 2015, 06:25:07 AM
FIFA doesn't change anything because as of now there's no-one that has offered the right amount of bribes to change it.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Nekov on September 10, 2015, 08:12:56 AM
 :lol

I think they are reluctant to change it because on one hand, FIFA is run by dinosaurs who don't like any change and on the other hand, when those kinds of things happen the media goes batshit crazy and generates a lot of attention which means more money for them to some extent.

And you also have lots of cases where the referees are clearly told that certain team has to win like Korea vs Italy in 2002 or the most recent fiasco in the Concacaf Gold Cup where the referee awarded Mexico 2 penalties out of the blue because they needed them to get to the finals.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on September 10, 2015, 09:35:56 AM
If you look at any rules change or the like over history, one single guiding theme of them was "the original nature of the game must not be changed". And that means, the flow is continuous, and the referee on the ground is who decides penalties. Video-reffing would violate both of those aspects. That's why they don't allow it.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 10, 2015, 09:40:34 AM
Same discussion that´s going round for aeons is getting rid of the offside rule. It may change the game in a positive way, but they´re never gonna get rid of it.
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Post by: rumborak on September 10, 2015, 09:43:48 AM
Getting rid of offside? WTF? That would immediately and utterly destroy the game. It is one of the oldest rules in the book for good reason.
Without the offside rule, each team would plant a player (or more) in front of the opposing goal, and then the game would devolve into kicking the ball up and high across the field all the time.
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Post by: Nekov on September 10, 2015, 10:50:07 AM
If you look at any rules change or the like over history, one single guiding theme of them was "the original nature of the game must not be changed". And that means, the flow is continuous, and the referee on the ground is who decides penalties. Video-reffing would violate both of those aspects. That's why they don't allow it.

I know that's what they say officially but I think they're just using that as an excuse.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 10, 2015, 11:47:30 PM
And that means, the flow is continuous, and the referee on the ground is who decides penalties.

I know that this is the reason FIFA states when it comes to video-replays. But the flow in the game isn't continouos, with all the fouls, offsides, freekicks, throw-ins, goal-kicks, exchange of players etc. Even worse when one team is playing for time, so that argument, at least for me, isn't really valid.

Getting rid of offside? WTF? That would immediately and utterly destroy the game. It is one of the oldest rules in the book for good reason.
Without the offside rule, each team would plant a player (or more) in front of the opposing goal, and then the game would devolve into kicking the ball up and high across the field all the time.

I'm mostly with you, it would probably destroy the game. The obvious thing, like you mentioned, is to plant some players before the opponent's goal, but that means, the more players you sent to the opponent's goal the less you have to defend your own goal. It would be interesting to see what tactics the teams adopt and if maybe an interesting game could develop. They should try it just for the fun of it in test-matches.
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Post by: Zantera on September 11, 2015, 01:55:01 AM
I like the Offside-rule. It's hard to explain, but there's a really satisfying feeling when a team scores a goal after what looks to be an offside situation, but the pass is actually played out perfectly on time, it's just really great timing. On the other side of that, sometimes you pass the ball half a second too late and it's ruled out instead. It's a part of the charm. The rule really makes you appreciate the passing players more, and their sense of timing, which is sometimes freakishly perfect.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 11, 2015, 04:01:20 AM
The offside-rule makes some sense and I think I know what you mean with the perfect timing. But often the game is so fast you can really only see if it was offsides in the slow motion and sometimes even not there. And sometimes it's just a few centimeters. So there's bound to be a lot of errors by the refs. But to control every assumed offsides in a video replay would severely hinder the flow of play.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on September 12, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
I will always live and die with Chelsea, but wtf is going on????????????????? It is getting scary.
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Post by: ariich on September 12, 2015, 11:33:12 AM
lol Mourinho.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on September 12, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
Going back to using video, apparently the Brazilian league will ask FIFA to let them use it for 6 specific plays: Offisde, Penalties, determining whether a foul was commited inside/outside the area, determining whether the ball left the court or not, determining if a goal should be scratched off in case there was something irregular during the play and determining whether a player should get a red card for a hard foul.

I like ther initiative but I think this should only be used for Offsides and Penalties.

Regarding Chelsea

lol Mourinho.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on September 14, 2015, 03:32:06 AM
I would personally be fine with any use of technology that is instantaneous. So yeah, E.g. if you could make offside calls more accurate with some kind of Hawkeye technology, I'd be down for that.
I *don't* think it should be used to revise scores in hindsight. Errors are errors and are to some degree part of the game, and score changes massively influence the dynamic if the game, so it's not as if you could just say "if we delete this one goal, the rest of the game would have stayed the same".
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on September 16, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Hilarious that even with how horrible Chelsea has played so far, they're the only English team with a win on the Champions League. :lol
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Post by: Nekov on September 16, 2015, 06:59:12 PM
I can't believe Arsenal lost today. And yeah, Chelsea managed to win but they played aganist an easier team than the other English teams.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on September 19, 2015, 01:51:27 PM
I don't know who I dislike more, Diego Costa or Luis Suarez.

I think Suarez has lower lows, while Diego Costa is much more consistently a dick. Watching him play, I get the feeling he could start a brawl with Gandhi and Mother Teresa
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Post by: Dimitrius on September 19, 2015, 09:38:06 PM
I can't believe Arsenal lost today. And yeah, Chelsea managed to win but they played aganist an easier team than the other English teams.
Sure they did, still funny. :lol

Also, Arsenal losing to Chelsea is one of the surest things in football.
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Post by: Zantera on September 20, 2015, 02:24:32 AM
Chelsea continues being the filthiest team in football. It would be easier to sympathize with a team full of murderers and child rapists than a team with Costa in it.

As for Arsenal, they have Leicester away next game and will definitely lose that one as well. (In fact Leicester is the only unbeaten team after 6 games, a slight wtf) But it's OK, Arsene Wenger didn't buy any players this summer because there's nobody out there who could improve their squad.
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Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on September 22, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
Lewandowski scored 5 goals against Wolfsburg in 9 minutes. Holy shit.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 23, 2015, 12:34:51 AM
As much as I don't like Bayern München, that surely is amazing.
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Post by: Onno on September 23, 2015, 01:16:43 AM
While I currently live in Germany I don't have a particular club here I'm fan of yet. From that neutral standpoint I think that is absolutely amazing. Wow.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on September 23, 2015, 07:17:10 AM
I was watching this game live and texting my friends about it who were constantly asking "are you sure you're not playing FIFA 16?" which was released yesterday as well. :lol
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Post by: The Trooper on September 23, 2015, 12:02:11 PM
I am an old fart (48 years old). I have played/followed soccer since I was 5. I have seen the greats over the years. What Lewandowski did yesterday is..............well ...........just holy shit.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on October 03, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
Chelsea is killing me. A shell of a team that won last year. They look like a high school team >:(
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Post by: ariich on October 03, 2015, 03:30:47 PM
lol Mourinho.
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Post by: Accelerando on October 03, 2015, 03:37:56 PM
Hoping Orlando City beats Montreal so we can make the playoffs!!! What a crazy inaugural season. Half our red cards called recalled. LOL MLS refs
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 04, 2015, 02:44:24 AM
Chelsea is killing me. A shell of a team that won last year. They look like a high school team >:(

You´d think Eva Carneira put a spell on Maurinho....  ::)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on October 05, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
Chelsea is killing me. A shell of a team that won last year. They look like a high school team >:(

You´d think Eva Carneira put a spell on Maurinho....  ::)

Well, there are rumors that she did some extra work with the players.... Maybe they are lacking that extra motivation
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on October 05, 2015, 04:51:12 PM
Bayern are just too strong at this point. It's of course good for international competitions (as the German team is essentially 85% Bayern), but for the Bundesliga it sucks. Eight game days in and people are already calling the season over.
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Post by: Nekov on October 06, 2015, 07:32:57 AM
Bayern are just too strong at this point. It's of course good for international competitions (as the German team is essentially 85% Bayern), but for the Bundesliga it sucks. Eight game days in and people are already calling the season over.

Well, this is becoming the norm in European football and it kinda sucks. PSG in France, Real and Barcelona in Spain, Juventus in Italy (though they had a rough start this season)
Something needs to change and soon given how the premier is getting a sh*tload of money in the upcoming years. If the rest of the leagues don't make things more interesting and get better TV deals they'll soon start losing all their best players and the leagues will become even more uneven than they are right now.
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Post by: rumborak on October 06, 2015, 11:44:08 AM
I was looking into things yesterday, and my best idea on how to fix it is to raise the minimum number of players in a roster who have been with the club for more than 5 years, from the current 8 (and that requirement is even only in international games) to maybe 15, across the board. It would force clubs to raise players, not just amass money and buy away the good ones. If you look at current Bayern, I think only Lahm, Müller and Schweinsteiger actually came through the Bayern youth program. The rest (Neuer, Götze, Lewandowski, Ribery, Robben etc etc) were simply bought from clubs who had raised them.
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Post by: Nekov on October 06, 2015, 11:57:24 AM
I agree with that, they need to promote the use of players that have been in the clubs since they were young.
But also they need to redesign how they distribute the money they get from TV deals. Look at the graph below for reference on the Spanish league, both Barcelona and Real Madrid get a lot more than the rest of the league.

(http://estaticos.expansion.com/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2015/07/31/14383311127823.jpg)

And here  (http://www.totalsportek.com/football/premier-league-prize-money-table-2015/)is how the premier league does it, and if you ask me it's the right way to do it.
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Post by: rumborak on October 06, 2015, 12:00:23 PM
Yup. Bayern's team worth is 3 times that of Dortmund's according to Forbes. No matter what you do, as long as the highest bidder gets the best players, it's a self-reinforcing circle that is bound to create a monopoly.
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Post by: Onno on October 13, 2015, 07:01:27 AM
I agree with all of that. The leagues I'm most interested in are the Premier League and the Bundesliga, but the Bundesliga is pretty boring right now because Bayern have such a huge amount of money compared to the other clubs.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on October 13, 2015, 07:42:08 AM
I'm still pretty much interested in the Bundesliga, because I'm german and my favorite team (1. FC Köln) is in it. But for the last few years I pretty much don't care who wins this thing.

Even Dortmund, who beat Bayern for two consecutive years, can't really compete in the long run. Bayern Munich at this point can only beat themselves and if some team comes up and is successful they buy their key players or lure them away (like Götze or Lewandowski).

Maybe all those teams that are unreachable in their own league should just play a kind of champions league against each other and not run in the national league?
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Post by: Nekov on October 14, 2015, 07:10:27 AM
Wow, I'm amazed that The Netherlands didn't qualify to the Euro. I know they're team is not as good as it was in previous years but still, they've always managed to play good youngsters that make a good complement with the more experienced players.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 14, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
A combination of bad management and a lot of injured players.
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Post by: Onno on October 15, 2015, 01:38:36 AM
I'd say more of the former than the latter. Despite all the injuries, we have lots of good players left. It's disgraceful we played so badly throughout the qualifiers.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 15, 2015, 05:14:39 AM
I remember such a streak at the start of the '90's. A string of bad matches against the likes of Cyprus, Belgium, and such. Everything that could go wrong in those matches went wrong. Bad defensive mistakes, bad matches and overall just bad luck. We've had a string of good luck at the last tournement, and now it seems the luck has turned again. Oh well. I just hope wisdom will prevail.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on October 15, 2015, 07:03:05 AM
I think it's more than bad luck and injuries. The Netherlands just couldn't compete with the teams above them, they only got one point out of the six matches against Iceland, Czech Republic and Turkey. And neither of them are football-giants.

There seems to be a lot wrong in the structual, management and coaching areas, at least looking from the outside. You have to seriously work on that and not just hope that luck turns around again.

Germany had a similar phase at the end of the 90s and the beginning of the 00s. Thank god some stones were turned and some right decisions were made.
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Post by: Onno on October 15, 2015, 12:08:37 PM
Agreed. But things will change eventually. For now, I'll just be supporting Belgium and Germany during Euro 2016.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 16, 2015, 08:44:09 AM
According to german news magazine Der Spiegel, Germany 'bought' 2006 World Cup bid.

While this is not that surprising, because there were rumors almost from the beginning, it makes you wonder if there is any decision Fifa has made that wasn't bought.

http://www.thelocal.de/20151016/germany-bought-2006-world-cup-bid (http://www.thelocal.de/20151016/germany-bought-2006-world-cup-bid)
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Post by: Nekov on October 16, 2015, 09:16:16 AM
It makes you wonder if there is any decision Fifa has made that wasn't bought.

I'm gonna go ahead and say no.
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Post by: rumborak on October 16, 2015, 10:10:35 PM
Agreed. But things will change eventually. For now, I'll just be supporting Belgium and Germany during Euro 2016.

Usually I should be happy Holland didn't make it (being German and all), but Holland was always my backup team to root for when Germany got kicked out in a competition. Real bummer you guys didn't make it.
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Post by: Train of Naught on October 17, 2015, 07:03:35 AM
Ah, being half Spanish and half Dutch I'm actually not too disappointed with this, I always thought the extreme hype over here (I've always lived in The Netherlands) was a bit annoying.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on October 25, 2015, 07:53:06 AM
I'm still enjoying Chelsea's downfall. They're not actually far off the relegation zone.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on October 26, 2015, 07:03:12 AM
#lolmourinho
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Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2015, 08:58:22 AM
José "there's nothing to say" Mourinho
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on October 31, 2015, 09:26:52 AM
Is it bad that I kind of feel sorry for him?

I know he's a bit of a nut, but I've always seen him as having his players' best interest at heart. All his bitching about refereeing and other coaches etc., etc., as a way to divert attention from the fact that his squad is underperforming. In other words, making himself the villain in order to protect his players from ridicule. Folks might be less likely to berate Eden Hazard in the media when they can instead say, lol mourinho...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
I'd say Chelsea are the least sympathetic team in the whole league so it's hard for me to feel sorry for them. I love every second of them under performing, especially with scum like Costa on the pitch.
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Post by: Nekov on October 31, 2015, 02:05:14 PM
I'd say Chelsea are the least sympathetic team in the whole league so it's hard for me to feel sorry for them. I love every second of them under performing, especially with scum like Costa on the pitch.

Agreed
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Post by: senecadawg2 on October 31, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
I agree as well. Definitely don't feel sorry for Chelsea and their players. Just maybe a little bit for Jose, as weird as that might sound.
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Post by: Zantera on October 31, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
He's a great manager, despite his downs (he really seems to run a team into the ground after 3 seasons), and I would put him up there among the best. The main issue is he's not very consistent. He pretty much always gets a few trophies in the first and second year, but then in the third everything just goes bad and he gets fired.

Despite all his triumphs, he just comes off as such a douchebag. Comparing him to Klopp (which seems fair after today's game), it's day and night. With Klopp you have a guy who is smiling and laughing during the interview, he's very passionate about football, his team and the people around him, and he's also very humble. Mourinho on the other hand is the same dead, cold self that he has always been. He's sarcastically applauding decisions by the referee that go against Chelsea, he confront referees in the player tunnel and gets sent up, he never takes any responsibility or gives the other team any props for their victory. Some words you will never hear from Mourinho's mouth are "The other team played better than us today and they deserved the win". Sure, a lot of managers are bad losers, but that combined with everything else he's doing.. blaming FIFA, UEFA, the medical team, the guy responsible for the water bottles, the weather, and he also takes the time to applaud players like Costa and encourage shitty behavior on the football pitch. When he as a manager pokes the eye of the assistant manager of the other team (Real vs Barcelona a few years back), he sends some really weird messages to his players about what is okay or not.

I still think he is an excellent manager, but he goes out of his way to be as big of a douchebag as possible. He might be the nicest guy ever, and spend time with his kids, wife, be kind to his friends, but he has built his whole image on people hating him and that it's always him against the world. Everything I've already said, plus the fact that he always plays very defensive football with the main object of scoring a goal, then tackling, defending, using every dirty trick to injure other players, make the time pass faster and get the result.. it doesn't make him very sympathetic.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on November 09, 2015, 09:48:40 AM
And once again, #lolmourinho. Chelsea seems to be headed to it's worst season in decades. Mourinho can probably turn this around but it will require lots of changes in the winter market and still I don't think they'll be able to get into a Champions spot, even a Euro League spot.

Talking about other leagues, I've been following Borussia Dortmund since the start of the season and I must say I don't think there's any other team right now that I enjoy more, their way of playing is just beautiful.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 13, 2015, 08:14:54 AM
So apparently Belgium is at #1 in the FIFA world ranking:

http://de.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/ (http://de.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/) (in german, but still)

While I think Belgium has a very good team at the moment, this can't be serious. There must be something wrong in the calculation methods, or, because this is FIFA, money was involved.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on November 13, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
So apparently Belgium is at #1 in the FIFA world ranking:

http://de.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/ (http://de.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/) (in german, but still)

While I think Belgium has a very good team at the moment, this can't be serious. There must be something wrong in the calculation methods, or, because this is FIFA, money was involved.  ;D

Lol. The calculation method is a bit complicated. Here  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings)you have a wikipedia article that explains it
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 16, 2015, 12:05:35 AM
I know the calculation method although I'm not sure I understand it completely. But all I'm saying is, this method has some curious results in regards to how I (and probably many others) view the strength of teams and where they rank.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on November 16, 2015, 08:06:34 AM
I know the calculation method although I'm not sure I understand it completely. But all I'm saying is, this method has some curious results in regards to how I (and probably many others) view the strength of teams and where they rank.

Well, Belgium had a pretty decent world cup reaching quarter finals and being eliminated against Argentina by only 1 goal. After that they were really strong during all of the qualifiers.
Argentina had a great world cup and a great Copa America but the start of the world cup qualifiers has been disastrous. We had good friendly games in between but none against any really strong team.
Germany won the world cup but after that had a couple of bumps during the Qualifiers and friendly matches.

So, while I agree that there are teams that on paper are stronger that Belgium, they've been doing it really good lately and deserve the first place because that's what the ranking really measures, how a team does over a specific period of time.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 16, 2015, 08:59:50 AM
Another interesting thing is, that Germany overtook Argentina once again. Germany has won the World-Cup but since then not really played well and have even lost against Argentina, so why are they suddenly better again? And France beat us easily and they are like number 24 on that list.

And Belgium is playing really well, but their qualification round for the European Championship was against B or C grade teams.

And even the linked wikipedia article mentions some criticism:

Quote
Similarly, Belgium's rank of world number 1 in November 2015 was met with skepticism in the press, given that Belgium had only played in one tournament in the past 13 years.

But all in all it doesn't matter, I just found it curious.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on November 16, 2015, 01:43:01 PM
Yeah I never really take the qualification results too seriously, it's 95% of the time 1-2 A-grade teams that will easily qualify, and they score atleast half of their points against countries like Kazachstan. Ofcourse this year something different happened as Group A ended up being a  complete disaster.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on November 21, 2015, 11:07:59 AM
Barring a relatively big comeback, looks like Leicester will top the standings. I haven't been following them closely but they continue to  impress. What a great season, so far. It'll be interesting to see how much longer they keep it up.

Tottenham-West Ham tomorrow should be a really good match tomorrow, as well. Hopefully three points to the Spurs.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on November 24, 2015, 01:46:23 PM
Watching Bayern play is such a pointless exercise. There is no thrill, they will win anyway.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zydar on December 12, 2015, 11:06:31 AM
I just finished watching the group draw for the European Championship next summer. Some interesting matches to look forward to.

Group A:
France
Romania
Albania
Switzerland
 
Group B:
England
Russia
Wales
Slovakia
 
Group C:
Germany
Ukraine
Poland
Northern Ireland
 
Group D:
Spain
Czech Republic
Turkey
Croatia
 
Group E:
Belgium
Italy
Republic of Ireland
Sweden
 
Group F:
Portugal
Iceland
Austria
Hungary
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MajorBoobage on December 12, 2015, 11:12:24 AM
Group D and E will be fun
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Post by: RoeDent on December 12, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
I couldn't believe it when Wales (my team) were drawn in the same group as England. I know we talked about it happening, but sort of jokingly. Now it's happening for real.
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Post by: ariich on December 12, 2015, 11:17:23 AM
Damn, yeah I laughed when I saw that.
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Post by: Evermind on December 12, 2015, 11:37:19 AM
I couldn't believe it when Wales (my team) were drawn in the same group as England. I know we talked about it happening, but sort of jokingly. Now it's happening for real.

I'm really glad Russia (my team) is drawn in the same group as England. I'm hoping to get some good laughs out of this game. Russia will probably suck. :lol

They'll probably suck against Wales too, so I call this group draw a definite win. Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on December 12, 2015, 12:50:52 PM
Another big scalp for Bournemouth this evening, beating Manchester United 2-1, exactly a week after taking all 3 points at Stamford Bridge. Another twist in an utterly bizarre Premier League season.
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Post by: Zydar on December 12, 2015, 12:54:34 PM
It's really painful to be a Man Utd supporter now :facepalm:
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Post by: MajorBoobage on December 12, 2015, 12:58:42 PM
ManU needs to sack LVG, they are playing really bad football this season. They didn˙t pass the group in champions league. Cmon, with that team and money spent.
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Post by: Train of Naught on December 12, 2015, 01:05:47 PM
Dang, Spain (my team) ended up having one of the toughest groups, oh well, Czech haven't really been performing too well and I'm still hoping Turkey group phase was a fluke, but if Spain don't suck like last world cup they should be fine..
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Post by: rumborak on December 12, 2015, 04:49:27 PM
Initially when I looked at Germany's group I thought "come aaawwwnn, we play Poland and Ireland again?!" Then I realized it's Northern Ireland, not Republic of Ireland.
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Post by: Zantera on December 13, 2015, 02:26:38 AM
Watching Man United these days is like watching paint dry. If LvG isn't sacked before New Years then it's very clear that nobody gives a shit about our season. We need to get on Ancelotti before someone else does, let's not get another Klopp-story. Liverpool were smart enough to make their change early on, when they saw that it wouldn't work, and I think they will finish above us unless we make a change.
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Post by: Train of Naught on December 13, 2015, 03:15:56 AM
That whole LvG hype after worlds was pretty stupid aswell tbh, I don't see how switching in a goalkeeper who only practiced stopping penalties coming into the world cup for a goalkeeper who is known for bad performance regarding penalties is a "legendary move".
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Post by: MajorBoobage on December 13, 2015, 04:00:22 AM
Im pretty sure they would be better off with Giggs on bench right now
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Post by: MajorBoobage on December 13, 2015, 10:43:17 AM
Man, Klopp really made Lpool way better team in really short term, too bad for todays game
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on December 13, 2015, 11:00:56 AM
I think with Liverpool and Klopp you have to keep in mind that he's still coaching the team that Brendan put together. When he gets a few transfers under his belt to shape the team, he will probably get even better results.

Still, wtf is up with the top teams. Spurs/Liverpool dropping today, did not see that coming. Chelsea will definitely drop points tomorrow, not that they're really even a top team at this point.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MajorBoobage on December 14, 2015, 06:05:10 AM
(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/Rosicky-Arsenal-Instagram-post-546991.jpg)
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Post by: Zydar on December 14, 2015, 06:42:32 AM
:getoffmylawn:
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Post by: Nekov on December 14, 2015, 10:08:41 AM
 :lol

Yeah, Van Gaal needs to go sooner rather than later. I still can't understand why he didn't get any good defender since that is clearly where United lacks the most but whatever.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on December 14, 2015, 01:33:47 PM
:lol

Yeah, Van Gaal needs to go sooner rather than later. I still can't understand why he didn't get any good defender since that is clearly where United lacks the most but whatever.

I wouldn't say it's what they lack the most, but each part of the team could need strengthening. If our best defenders (like Smalling) are playing, we will get the clean sheet 4 out of 5 games. The big issue is scoring... I'd say Bournemouth and Aston Villa has more firepower in their offense than we have, and that's really disturbing. Martial is a big talent who won't perform consistently yet, playing with Rooney is like playing 10v11, and behind them we have the always-loaned-out Wilson, defensive midfielder Fellaini used as a target man, but hey, we had to sell Chicharito because he's way too good of a scorer to keep if you want to win with 1-0 every game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 14, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
I get that the offensive is a big problem right now since United seems to be unable to score regularly, but what I'm saying is Smalling can't be the best defender United has. If you are a top European team you need to have top quality defenders and none of the guys United currently has qualifies as one. And I know that they are the team that has received the less amount of goals this year but that has 2 explanations:
1. De Gea
2. The whole team is focused on defending which is also why they have so many problems scoring goals.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on December 14, 2015, 03:05:31 PM
Why are Leicester City still so invincible? Based on previous teams doing this surprisingly well early on, they should have started slipping up by now.

On the plus side, it means Chelsea are now only a point above the relegation zone. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 15, 2015, 07:59:53 AM
That question is hard to answer but to be honest I like that there is a complete underdog giving a fight up there. What I don't like is that Ranieri is the manager that's being able to pull it off because his style of playing is not one I like and in some way that may hurt the premier league. I consider the premier to be one of the most fun to watch but if teams start seeing that a defensive football like the one Ranieri likes to play gives chances to "little" teams of contending for the title then the league might go into a direction that will not be pleasing.

Also, #lolmourinho
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on December 15, 2015, 02:55:15 PM
I'm not following EPL all that much, but man, Mourinho's ego writes checks his body can't cash.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 16, 2015, 01:02:27 AM
I think the smug bastard deserves everything that's coming to him. If the club had any sense at all they'd sack his ass.

Stoke City is playing pretty well, I think.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MajorBoobage on December 17, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
So Mourinho got sacked!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 17, 2015, 08:22:54 AM
So Mourinho got sacked!

Not surprising at all. Chelsea made the right choice there but to be honest I hate them so much that I'd love to have seen them fall down even deeper with Mou. Wonder who will take command of this sinking ship now.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MajorBoobage on December 17, 2015, 08:23:41 AM
Guus Hiddink will replace him for now
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Post by: ariich on December 17, 2015, 08:28:16 AM
lolMorinho

Sad we won't be able to use that anymore.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 18, 2015, 07:12:42 AM
That question is hard to answer but to be honest I like that there is a complete underdog giving a fight up there. What I don't like is that Ranieri is the manager that's being able to pull it off because his style of playing is not one I like and in some way that may hurt the premier league. I consider the premier to be one of the most fun to watch but if teams start seeing that a defensive football like the one Ranieri likes to play gives chances to "little" teams of contending for the title then the league might go into a direction that will not be pleasing.

Not to say that you're incorrect- in that Ranieri likes to play a defensive style- but it's worth noting that a) you have to go all the way down to 14th placed Bournemouth to find a team that has conceded more goals then Leicester and b) they've outscored everyone in the league. Pretty astounding that they're still on one loss having let in 22 goals in 16 games. I for one hope they keep it up, considering the price tags associated with Leicester and the other top teams, respectively.

Also hoping that Tottenham can break into the top 4, these next couple weeks. They blew their chance against Newcastle last weekend but the opportunity is still ripe for the taking.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 18, 2015, 07:35:39 AM
I know, I'm not questioning the efficiency of the system, that wouldn't make any sense. Mine is more of an aesthetics critic. As I said, I don't like how they play and I wouldn't like the rest of the premier league to star copying it since it seems to be so effective.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 28, 2015, 10:41:22 AM
Good games so far today. Tottenham-Watford and Stoke-Everton were both highly entertaining. Spurs look like solid top 4 contenders and, if things continue to fall their way, possibly even more.

Now for the comedy of errors: Man U and Chelsea. I'm cheering for United, on the deluded grounds that I'd like to see Chelsea in the relegation zone and would like to see LVG stick around and continue to muck things up.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 28, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
Since we can't #lolmourinho anymore, how about some #lolvangaal? At least until he leaves united in the near future...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MajorBoobage on December 28, 2015, 01:18:03 PM
#lolvangaal
He needs to go
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Post by: rumborak on December 28, 2015, 02:05:59 PM
Never liked the guy. He always looks as if someone got him a ManU ticket as an unwanted birthday present. "Fuck, I could be watching hockey, but I guess I had to show up".
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 28, 2015, 03:13:22 PM
Yeah he doesn't typically look very happy to be on the sideline.

With that being said, I wish they would give him more of a chance to right the ship. Something that bothers me about professional soccer, generally, is how high the manager turnover tends to be. It's not that uncommon in other sports, of course, but I'd like to see a bit more consistency among the BPL managers in particular. Of course there are exceptions, with guys like Wenger and Sir AF, but then at the same time you see LVG and Mourinho getting sacked relatively quickly, despite their long and successful careers. To draw an American sports comparison, you would never see this kind of thing in college basketball. Imagine if Coach K was sacked for having one down year and failing to make the NCAA tournament or NIT tournament. It would be embarrassing for him sure, but his cumulative resume is hard to beat (much like LVG and Mourinho), so why not give him more time to work it out? Particularly if he won the championship the year before.

And so the clubs react to the fans, who're typically a bit impatient and seemingly feel entitled to perpetual dominance. It's a shame though, for me, because I'd be really curious to see how a dick bag like Mourinho could perform over a ten yer stretch at Chelsea.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on December 29, 2015, 05:42:38 AM
I normally agree that managers should be given time but there are some particular cases I think sacking is for the best.

In Mourinho's case, he has a fantastic resume but the truth is this year Chelsea were just awful, they are very close to the relegation zone and there seem to be lots of problems within the locker room, not to mention that incident with doctor Carneiro at the beginning of the season. I don't think giving him more time would have been good for Chelsea.

In LVG's case, what I would argue against him is how badly he reinforced the team. They were clearly in need of some defenders and a good striker yet he only got Darmian and Martial. If you are given a ridiculous amount of money and you're team still lacks in critical positions then you did something wrong. And that is not only his fault because someone at Man U has to be on top of those things, I know back in the day Ferguson was given freedom to do whatever he pleased and that's fine cause he had proven he was good at it but it doesn't seem to be the case with LVG.
Add to that the fact that last season they did a better job than they are doing right now which means the team somehow devolved.

And as far as the comparison with college basketball I don't think it's a fair one. The performance of a team in the EPL determines a lot more than that of a college basketball team because of the amount of money involved. Getting to the Champions League and doing a good job there will bring a lot of money in that you need to pay the players who's salaries are in the millions a year. And let's not forget that getting a good spot in the EPL will also get the club a lot of money. Having a bad season means you might need to sell some players because most of them want to play the Champions, while having a bad season in College basketball just means next year you can try again and that's it.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on December 29, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
You're right- the college basketball comparison is not a good one. Better would be Belichick and the NFL. My hope is that if the Patriots lost their division in a big way the next couple years, and had chemistry problems abound, that he would be given at least a couple seasons to fix things up. Whereas I wonder how long a guy like Wenger would be allowed to lose before being sacked. Maybe I'm off base on this and soccer/football really aren't that different after all.

And to be clear, you're absolutely right about the very fair criticism against both Mourinho and LVG. Mourinho, in particular, ought've done so much better with the talent on this years team. I suppose it's my relative disinterest in the success of both clubs that makes me all the more interested in seeing them stick with a long-term manager and all the baggage they carry  :-\

Another example would be a guy like your countryman, Mauricio Pochettino. Dude is doing a great job with Tottenham and really working on rebuilding things from the ground up. My concern is that if he keeps it up, he'll eventually bounce as soon as a bigger club comes calling. Of course that's just the nature of the business and I wouldn't begrudge him for doing so. But after a couple years, say he has a bad season. Out the door, reputation blemished, so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Tottenham is cycling through its 10 coach in 20 years or something like that. It's hopeless, I know, but I'd enjoy a bit more consistency in management on all levels of the league.
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Post by: Nekov on December 30, 2015, 06:02:59 AM
Well, that's Football nowadays. It'd be nice that every manager was given the chances Wenger and Fergusson had but money, money, money comes inbetween. And also the fact that nowadays teams change players more regularly than before so a Manager has to deal with new players and new schemes all the time, not to mention players nowadays are like movie stars and don't like to be reprimanded. Managers don't have as much authority as they used to and that also makes their job a lot harder. Look at Rafa Benitez in Real Madrid.

Going back to Pochettino, he did a good job with Southampton and is doing a great job with the Spurs (something my brother is not happy about since he supports Arsenal). He's already being mentioned as the future Argentina National Team manager by some of our media. I just hope he can keep learning and doing a good job whether it's with the Spurs or with some other team.
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Post by: Nekov on December 30, 2015, 08:57:58 AM
I can't believe the amount of lousy penalties Real Madrid gets! They have a good enough team, there's no need for the refs to help them...
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Post by: rumborak on January 01, 2016, 03:39:34 PM
Regarding the coaches, reality is, they are just the easiest to fire. It's one convenient, central person you can pin it on, and you can please the fans by "having done something".
Case in point, look at Dortmund's performance last year. Just like Chelsea, by mid-season they were down to relegation spots. However, Dortmund adored Klopp, so they stuck with him, and lo and behold, by the end of the season they managed a Europa League spot. Same coach as first half, same team. Totally different outcome.

Overall, IMHO in soccer there's an unspoken truth that the sport depends on far more luck than anyone wants to admit to. People conjure up " reasons " for what in reality is just a statistical fluke. That's not to say that there aren't outstanding coaches and players that make it difference. But people perceive soccer as far too deterministic.
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Post by: RoeDent on January 02, 2016, 08:30:00 AM
Managers who look "good" managing teams from other countries, always seem to fail when they come and manage in England? I suspect the same will happen if Pep Guardiola goes to an EPL team.
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Post by: rumborak on January 02, 2016, 02:35:58 PM
Well, no World Cup has ever been won by a team whose coach wasn't a native of said country. Maybe it's a similar effect.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on January 03, 2016, 07:23:58 AM
I don't necessarily disagree, and I think the WC fact is a good one to remember, but at the same time there are plenty of examples from this season alone worth considering. Claudio Ranieri and Quique Sánchez Flores have both been very impressive in their EPL managerial return (after 11 years) and debut, respectively. And perhaps to a lesser extent, Slaven Bilic has also been solid (albeit inconsistent) in his own EPL debut.

At the end of the day, I think it all comes down to how committed the coach is to buying into the premier league and developing a mixture of talent. The best example of this is probably Pochettino, who Nevok and I were talking about above. In his first BPL seasons, coming from Espanyol, he immediately showed a strong interest in strengthening the youth program, which is something he's done excellently with Tottenham as well. Mixing in some high quality foreign talent as well (guys like Lloris, Alderweireld and Eriksen), he is nonetheless building the foundation of his team on the backs of young, committed, British players like Kane, Dier, Alli, Mason, Pritchard, etc. In effect, I think he's done a heck of a lot more for developing British soccer these past couple years than guys like Alan Pardrew and Harry Redknapp and so on and so forth. He's struck a good balance there, it's paying off in a big way for him at the moment (though, difficult to see how much longer that will last), and as far as I can tell he is no less capable of doing so as a foreigner.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on January 04, 2016, 05:54:01 AM
Overall, IMHO in soccer there's an unspoken truth that the sport depends on far more luck than anyone wants to admit to. People conjure up " reasons " for what in reality is just a statistical fluke. That's not to say that there aren't outstanding coaches and players that make it difference. But people perceive soccer as far too deterministic.

I don't think it is unspoken at all, every coach will tell you that there's a certain degree of luck involved in every game, even Pep says it and admits his style of play looks to reduce the chances of luck being involved to a minimum. That's one of the things that I dislike most about the sport, in any other competitive sport you can say that the team that has been better wins (except maybe in really close games) but not in football.
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Post by: rumborak on January 04, 2016, 06:20:51 AM
I think it's all due to soccer being such a low-scoring game. When only a handful goals are scored, those goals can easily have been by mere chance.
At the same time, that low-scoring is partially what makes it so attractive, since a single goal changes the overall dynamic of the game. Basketball, in comparison, outlines the winner halfway through the game (except in rare cases), same with baseball, where people start leaving by the seventh inning because they know the game is decided.
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Post by: Nekov on January 04, 2016, 07:30:38 AM
Yeah, that probably has to do with it.

On another note, the EPL is killing football. Good teams are paying ridiculous amounts of money for players and even the "worst" teams have a budget that can't be match by good teams in other leagues. I very much don't like FIFA interceding in the leagues, specially with the latest scandal so fresh but if either them or UEFA don't do something in the very near future we'll see the rest of the leagues become even more one sided and boring than they are right now while the EPL gathers all the talent.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on January 14, 2016, 09:21:43 AM
What a match yesterday between Liverpool and Arsenal, lots of goals, lots of excitement, and really fun to see Wenger and Klopp on the sidelines, just a great spectacle overall.
I love to watch these kind of matches, where 2 opposite styles clash against each other, usually the games are super exciting.

PD: Can someone in London break Ramseys legs? His death goals are getting a little bit annoying lately...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on January 14, 2016, 12:57:25 PM
Despite certain managers moaning about these midweek fixtures, this last round of matches was one of the most entertaining of the entire season. 34 goals in total, including two 3-3 thrillers! (Try saying that quickly...  ;))
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Post by: senecadawg2 on February 06, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
I should've bet all my money on Leicester, back in November.

Also, I know it's a couple weeks old and maybe you've all seen it already, but it's worth sharing again. Best goal of the season, that I've seen, and it's not even close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciFK6smUTAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciFK6smUTAg)
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Post by: RoeDent on February 06, 2016, 02:14:12 PM
Jamie Vardy's first goal for Leicester v Liverpool last Tuesday is at least as good as that. A real bullet from well outside the box.

I'm so willing Leicester to pull this off now. They play with a freshness not seen here in many a year. They've taken 6 points against teams that, in seasons past, should easily beat them. Also, when was the last time that English players dominated the scoring headlines in the Premier League? Kane, Vardy, Alli. A truly remarkable season!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on February 06, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
Leicester seem unstoppable.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on February 06, 2016, 03:50:22 PM
Jamie Vardy's first goal for Leicester v Liverpool last Tuesday is at least as good as that. A real bullet from well outside the box.

I disagree, but I'm curious to hear what other people think.

Vardy's volley is great, no doubt, but off a bounce I don't think the degree of difficulty is nearly as high as the juggle/spin to beat the defender/volley.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on February 07, 2016, 11:13:22 AM
Vardy's goal was fantastic but I have to agree with Seneca that Alli's skill show was top notch.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on February 16, 2016, 01:37:37 PM
I f'n love Champions League. This Chelsea vs.  Paris game is awesome! I love my Chelsea but I love Zlatan.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Dimitrius on March 01, 2016, 02:45:37 PM
Don't look now, but Chelsea has just crept into the top 10 in the EPL. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on March 02, 2016, 05:30:13 AM
 :eek

I was so concentrated on what is happening at the top that I stopped paying attention to Chelsea. Sacking Mou was definitely the right move, it removed them from the spotlight and thus took the pressure from the players.

Speaking of what's happening at the top, if the Spurs win today they'll reach first place along with Leicester. As much as I like the underdogs in Leicester, I'd much rather see the Spurs win the championship, they play some really good football.
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Post by: ariich on March 02, 2016, 02:41:04 PM
It's a weird couple of days when three of the top four teams lose and the other one draws. Wtf.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on March 03, 2016, 08:46:17 AM
Woot, Bayern stumbled yesterday, losing against Mainz. That brings down the point difference to Dortmund to 5. And guess who Bayern is playing on Saturday? Exactly, Dortmund!!  :omg:
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 03, 2016, 08:59:05 AM
Would be nice if Dortmund beats Bayern, just to keep things a little bit exciting, but I'm not counting on it.
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Post by: rumborak on March 03, 2016, 09:11:46 AM
Usually I wouldn't either, but they're playing at Dortmund, and Bayern has had a good number of injuries lately.
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Post by: Nekov on March 03, 2016, 09:34:56 AM
I'd also love to see that but the truth is even with tons of injuries Bayern has been able to win games and keep the level of play. I don't think Dortmund will be able to win the league, but they'll give Bayern a good run for their money.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 03, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
Even if Dortmund wins this game they are still two points behind and will then probably lose some game against Hannover or the like. Bayern will win some games with last minute goals and we're back to where we always are. So boring.
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Post by: rumborak on March 03, 2016, 03:07:41 PM
Jeez. What a fun attitude.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 04, 2016, 02:12:14 AM
Isn't that how it always turns out? Not to constantly bash Bayern, but for the last few years the Bundesliga is just boring. There just isn't anyone who can compete with Bayern in the long run it seems.
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Post by: Zantera on March 04, 2016, 03:54:46 AM
Would be great if Dortmund managed to win. Bundesliga is definitely one of the least exciting leagues when you know that one team is gonna win it 9 times out of 10. So it's great when a team like Dortmund can get involved and possibly snatch the win.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on March 04, 2016, 04:16:38 AM
It's obvious that Mourinho's downfall at Chelsea was a display of player power. The players forced him out by not playing for him after the whole team doctor situation. How else can you explain their sudden ability to play and win games again under Hiddink?

And it's interesting how both Bayern Munich and Manchester City have suffered slumps in form since Pep announced he was going to City next season. Might be the best thing he's done for the Bundesliga, perhaps making it more interesting by allowing the other teams to catch up.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on March 05, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
I know, I'm not questioning the efficiency of the system, that wouldn't make any sense. Mine is more of an aesthetics critic. As I said, I don't like how they play and I wouldn't like the rest of the premier league to star copying it since it seems to be so effective.

I take back what I said. Fuck Leicester--I want them to choke.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on March 05, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
Maybe it was because of the environment I watched it in, but the Bayern-Dortmund game wasn't all that exciting. A few good chances, but overall they shut down each other very well. Especially in the second half people started to zone out.
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Post by: rumborak on March 13, 2016, 05:01:39 PM
Today two fans independently suffered a heart attack 20m away from each other during the Dortmund-Mainz game. One of them died right there, the other is stable. This is the fans singing "You Never Walk Alone" in his honor:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RNBVB/status/709081345323114496
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on March 15, 2016, 04:30:53 PM
Well, I just sat through one of the most tense penalty shootouts.

Forza Atleti  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on March 16, 2016, 06:26:04 AM
Well, I just sat through one of the most tense penalty shootouts.

Forza Atleti  :metal

I understand that game was boring as fuck  :lol


Anyways, 2 great matches today. I'm gonna watch Barsa till they score a goal and I know that series is definitely closed, then I'll go to Juve-Bayern. Both teams are missing important players so we'll see how well they can play.
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Post by: Heavy Metal Hippie on March 16, 2016, 04:57:40 PM
Juve - Bayern

Phew...that was
(http://www.leeaaron.se/leepoperinge85.jpg).

What a comeback from Bayern, after 0:2 up to the 72nd minute against Juve.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on March 17, 2016, 02:44:13 AM
Well, I just sat through one of the most tense penalty shootouts.

Forza Atleti  :metal

I understand that game was boring as fuck  :lol

Yes, yes it was. As an Atletico supporter I'm still pretty disappointed, hope they can step it up for the quarters.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on March 18, 2016, 07:52:18 AM
This friend of mine constantly tries to convince me the EPL is the better and stronger than the Bundesliga. No offense to the EPL, but the #2 of the Bundesliga totally outclassed the #2 of the EPL yesterday and last week.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on March 18, 2016, 08:01:39 AM
And the Bundesliga will do it probably again in the next round when Klopp meets his former team of Dortmund.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on March 18, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
This friend of mine constantly tries to convince me the EPL is the better and stronger than the Bundesliga. No offense to the EPL, but the #2 of the Bundesliga totally outclassed the #2 of the EPL yesterday and last week.

Well, the fact that one team runs over another doesn't mean the whole league is more interesting. PSG can run over lots of teams from the EPL but that doesn't mean the French league as a whole is more interesting, just that the top teams are stronger.

In the Bundesliga there's a 5 point difference between the 1st and second team, and then a 16 point difference between 2nd and 3rd.
In the EPL, there's a 16 point difference between the 1st and 6th spot and you have to consider both Tottenham and Licester have played 1 more game than the guys behind them.

So yeah, I'd say overall the EPL is the most fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 18, 2016, 08:27:29 AM
I agree that the Bundesliga is boring with the dominance of Bayern München and that there is more suspense and excitement in the EPL right now but that doesn't mean the league as a whole is stronger.
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Post by: rumborak on March 18, 2016, 08:38:09 AM
I would agree that the EPL has less spread and that each game is probably more interesting because any team could go to the top, but in terms of strength, I don't see it. Europa League has only one English team remaining that is likely to drop out soon, and the UCL also only has one. Bundesliga currently has 3 teams in those competitions.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on March 18, 2016, 09:07:16 AM
What Nekov said.

And also, you can't ignore the fact that Tottenham put out a much weaker side than they were capable of playing, while Borussia Dortmund played pretty much full strength. In the first game especially, when Tottenham was without three of their best midfielders, without their one and only star striker (and leading scorer in the league), and with both fullbacks rotated.

Simply because those guys needed the rest, because they're caught in a much more competitive league title race. Dortmund doesn't have to worry about that as much, because their league is generally not as competitive. Barring a really wild end of the season, they'll end second place with much room to spare behind them.

None of that's to say that Dortmund isn't better than Tottenham--I think they almost certainly are. But if you've been following Tottenham at all this season, you know that the team they put out both games was most definitely not the same eleven that's currently in 2nd place. They started the game at Dortmund with only 3 of their preferred starting 11.

If anything, the weakness of the team they put out just goes to show a difference in priorities between the clubs and highlights how competitive the EPL is.
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Post by: ariich on March 18, 2016, 09:26:20 AM
I would agree that the EPL has less spread and that each game is probably more interesting because any team could go to the top, but in terms of strength, I don't see it. Europa League has only one English team remaining that is likely to drop out soon, and the UCL also only has one. Bundesliga currently has 3 teams in those competitions.
This season has been particularly insane in the EPL. Last season's champions are average and mid-table, while a team that nearly got relegated last year is sitting comfortably at the top.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on March 20, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
Bundesliga has some good teams but it's almost like the Scottish Premier League where you know that one team is gonna win it 8 out of 10 times. Compare that to Premier League where Leicester and Spurs will finish #1 and #2, who saw that coming?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on March 24, 2016, 06:54:44 AM
Football/Soccer legend Johan Cruijff just passed away at 68  :'( sad day.

Can't say I was a fan, but to say he was an influential person in the football scene would be an understatement.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on April 26, 2016, 07:19:51 AM
Anyone watching the Champions league game today? I do not have any horses left in this race but love to watch the games.

I would love to see a City vs, Bayern final.
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Post by: Zantera on April 26, 2016, 07:22:02 AM
I hope Atletico takes CL, they're by far the most charming team left in the tournament. I hope we get a reprise of the Madrid-final with Atletico edging Real out this time.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on April 26, 2016, 07:47:41 AM
Yeah Atletico should win this, not a big fan but I can't stand the other teams.
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Post by: Nekov on April 26, 2016, 08:55:57 AM
I can't stand any of the 4 teams so whoever wins is the same right now. I think maybe Bayern would be the one that bothers me the least because even though I hate them as a club because of how they're ruining the bundesliga I have to admit their game is simply outstanding.
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Post by: The Trooper on April 26, 2016, 08:57:35 AM
That is where I am. The Bayern v City would be interesting given Pep's move next year tho.
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Post by: The Trooper on April 26, 2016, 02:49:44 PM
Well that was a shitty game. n general.............ugh
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Post by: Nekov on April 28, 2016, 10:26:20 AM
So, Matts Hummels has requested a move to Bayern Munich. I don't think there is a team I hate more than them right now. In order to be the best in the Bundesliga they consistently undermine Dortmund by getting their best players. Talk about shitty competition...
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Post by: Kwyjibo on April 28, 2016, 12:00:22 PM
It's shit but I can understand Mats Hummels. He's playing in a good team in Dortmund but for the last years they've won nothing. So if you want to win titles you have to go to Bayern or a foreign team.

But that's how it's always been. Bayern not only buys the best players to have them for themselves, but also to weaken the competitors. They've taken away a lot of promising talents from other teams only to have them sit on the bench for several seasons.  :tdwn
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Post by: Nekov on April 29, 2016, 06:32:11 AM
It's shit but I can understand Mats Hummels. He's playing in a good team in Dortmund but for the last years they've won nothing. So if you want to win titles you have to go to Bayern or a foreign team.

But that's how it's always been. Bayern not only buys the best players to have them for themselves, but also to weaken the competitors. They've taken away a lot of promising talents from other teams only to have them sit on the bench for several seasons.  :tdwn

I do get Hummels might want to win something but if that's the case go somewhere else, all of the big teams in Europe are after him. Specially after he criticized Gotze so much when he did the same thing.
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Post by: rumborak on April 29, 2016, 09:27:56 AM
I don't get it either. So many European teams to choose from, and he switches to the arch rival? I mean, yes, Bayern brought him up so there's that connection, but still.

But that's how it's always been. Bayern not only buys the best players to have them for themselves, but also to weaken the competitors. They've taken away a lot of promising talents from other teams only to have them sit on the bench for several seasons.  :tdwn

That's the really lame part. It's really not helping the competitiveness of the Bundesliga at all. That Dortmund was breathing down their neck the whole season is actually kind of a miracle, because otherwise the BL is kinda a one-team show these days.
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Post by: Zantera on May 01, 2016, 02:29:23 AM
Bayern looks like an early winner of CL next year. New and better manager coming in, they'll stop playing the ball sideways for 90 minutes and do more, they're getting one of the best defenders in Bundesliga of the last years, who has a proven partnership with Boateng. Plus whoever else they get in the summer. Unfortunately the league is gonna be utterly pointless but in CL they will have a good chance.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 01, 2016, 01:26:21 PM
You don't think Leicester is gonna win the CL?   :P
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Post by: Zantera on May 02, 2016, 07:49:16 AM
You don't think Leicester is gonna win the CL?   :P

They definitely will! Jamie Vardy will continue his legacy by shooting England through the final of the Euros, becoming the top goalscorer and winning the gold medal, only to follow it up with Champions League next year!
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2016, 02:59:03 PM
Leicester are Premier League champions!

What an awesome achievement, genuinely really pleasing!
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Post by: senecadawg2 on May 02, 2016, 04:42:39 PM
Hopefully a sign of things to come. Not for Leicester specifically, but for the likes of Tottenham, West Ham and other underdogs
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on May 03, 2016, 01:40:35 AM
If they keep their star players (Kane, Alli etc.), I can easily see Spurs challenging for the title in seasons to come. But well played Leicester City! What a truly extraordinary achievement! On BBC's Match of the Day last night, one of the pundits said that Manchester United spent more on players in the last 2 seasons than Leicester have in their ENTIRE 132-year history. Which is just absolutely mindboggling!

The fact that Leicester have maintained their form over the course of a nine-month, 38-game season (they haven't just won something in a single moment of brilliance), makes this one of the greatest stories, not just in football, but in sport, full stop.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Logain Ablar on May 03, 2016, 02:33:14 AM
If they keep their star players (Kane, Alli etc.), I can easily see Spurs challenging for the title in seasons to come. But well played Leicester City! What a truly extraordinary achievement! On BBC's Match of the Day last night, one of the pundits said that Manchester United spent more on players in the last 2 seasons than Leicester have in their ENTIRE 132-year history. Which is just absolutely mindboggling!

The fact that Leicester have maintained their form over the course of a nine-month, 38-game season (they haven't just won something in a single moment of brilliance), makes this one of the greatest stories, not just in football, but in sport, full stop.

^ This. I'm only a casual football fan really, but in these days of obscene player salaries, it's nice to see a victory for good old fashioned teamwork.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on May 03, 2016, 06:43:38 AM
Bayern looks like an early winner of CL next year. New and better manager coming in, they'll stop playing the ball sideways for 90 minutes and do more, they're getting one of the best defenders in Bundesliga of the last years, who has a proven partnership with Boateng. Plus whoever else they get in the summer. Unfortunately the league is gonna be utterly pointless but in CL they will have a good chance.

Well, playing the ball sideways 90 minutes has gotten them 3 consecutive bundesliga titles scoring 94, 80 and 75 (so far) goals, so yeah, it seems whenever they play the other team puts their goal on the side....
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on May 03, 2016, 02:40:25 PM
YEEEEEEEES Atletico goes on! Well deserved and yet again Guardiola is beaten by a superior manager.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on May 03, 2016, 03:11:50 PM
I thought in the second half Bayern would destroy Atletico. But man, two missed penalties, that's not something you see every day.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on May 03, 2016, 03:16:58 PM
I was rooting for Atletico though. Bayern were kinda making the Bundesliga lame with their dominance, for Guardiola winning the league seems to almost be a routine he has to go through as part of getting the triple. So, screw them.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2016, 12:49:08 AM
Well, playing the ball sideways 90 minutes has gotten them 3 consecutive bundesliga titles scoring 94, 80 and 75 (so far) goals, so yeah, it seems whenever they play the other team puts their goal on the side....

Sure, but Bayern were jogging home Bundesliga-titles before Pep took over and will continue to do so after he's gone. He's had arguably the best squad in Europe these last 3 years (Barcelona has a better offense, but overall Bayern has a stronger squad) yet he has failed to win CL, or even reaching the final. As harsh as it sounds, I don't think the board over there are too happy about that. The league titles are obviously a great thing, but the CL-trophy only goes to the best team in Europe (and arguably the whole world) and Bayern wants to win that trophy.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 04, 2016, 12:54:32 AM
Bye bye Bayern, as I never liked you I'm not sad.

Maybe they should have kept Heynckes (he won the treble) but then I never could got the hype for Pep Guardiola either, so I'm biased.

And for Bayern the Bundesliga Championship is almost a given. A season where they finish 2nd is a major disappointment in their own eyes, finishing 1st is ok but not that special. CL is where it's at and obviously they lack that certain bit to win it regularly.

And now Rummenigge is blaming the referee. He claims that Atletico's goal was offsides and the penalty against them was a foul out of the penalty box. The last is probably true but Atletico didn't score so wtf?
This is one guy that I adored as a kid when he was an active player, but he has turned arrogant s-hole as soon as he became management board member.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on May 04, 2016, 06:18:14 AM
Well, playing the ball sideways 90 minutes has gotten them 3 consecutive bundesliga titles scoring 94, 80 and 75 (so far) goals, so yeah, it seems whenever they play the other team puts their goal on the side....

Sure, but Bayern were jogging home Bundesliga-titles before Pep took over and will continue to do so after he's gone. He's had arguably the best squad in Europe these last 3 years (Barcelona has a better offense, but overall Bayern has a stronger squad) yet he has failed to win CL, or even reaching the final. As harsh as it sounds, I don't think the board over there are too happy about that. The league titles are obviously a great thing, but the CL-trophy only goes to the best team in Europe (and arguably the whole world) and Bayern wants to win that trophy.

I think this time he did a good job. Bayern shot 33 times yesterday and didn't win only because Oblak had his best game ever. In truth it's extremely hard to win the Champions League, there's a reason why no team has won it twice in a row since this new format exists.
Regarding them having the best team overall, I don't know if I can agree with that. I like Barcelona better in all lines, except for goalie, and let's not forget Bayern had to deal with tons of injuries this season, specially on their defense.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: rumborak on May 04, 2016, 07:15:22 AM
And now Rummenigge is blaming the referee. He claims that Atletico's goal was offsides and the penalty against them was a foul out of the penalty box. The last is probably true but Atletico didn't score so wtf?
This is one guy that I adored as a kid when he was an active player, but he has turned arrogant s-hole as soon as he became management board member.

Word on that. The referee did a pretty good job yesterday, and yeah, the penalty was totally irrelevant. Rummenigge is, as you say, just an asshole who rather accuses the referee than blaming the ones to blame, the team.
Regarding the actual goal having been offsides, maybe, but at best a very close call. The real issue was the major defense fuckup.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 04, 2016, 07:37:00 AM
Yep, and if you don't score on your own penalties then you have only yourself to blame.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
I gotta say that it's inspiring to see teams like Atletico and Leicester have such success. Don't get me wrong, a nice attacking side has much to admire, but I'm equally impressed with an underdog who manages to tactically defeat an opponent much bigger than themselves. There's something really admirable about a very limited team who doesn't have the same resources who manages to play to their strengths perfectly, get the results and then win titles as a result. Sure, Atletico today should be considered a top team, but they're still considered an underdog by most.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on May 22, 2016, 04:11:46 PM
one word MESSI! I have been around soccer for 40 years, What we witnessing from this man is amazing. Greatest player ever.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on May 23, 2016, 11:31:26 AM
one word MESSI! I have been around soccer for 40 years, What we witnessing from this man is amazing. Greatest player ever.

He's alright but he's no Nicklas Bendtner! They call him the lord for a reason.  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on May 28, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Well that turned out shitty.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on May 29, 2016, 04:12:27 AM
Well that turned out shitty.

Worst ucl final i've seen.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: chknptpie on May 30, 2016, 06:33:32 PM
A Mexican footballer was kidnapped? Rescued by the government, but what the heck Mexico?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: don_waka on June 01, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
Anybody interested in watching Copa America?
If so, which team will you be supporting?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 02, 2016, 01:01:47 AM
Colombia :metal

UEFA Europa Cup is starting soon aswell! I hope it won't be a onesided bashing from Germany, part of me still hopes Spain can take it home but I seriously doubt it this year. No Diego Costa and all that since he seems to do terrible in international matches. No Torres either, their frontline is really lacking
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 02, 2016, 01:27:50 AM
UEFA Europa Cup is starting soon aswell! I hope it won't be a onesided bashing from Germany

Although I definitely root for them, I'm not convinced that Germany takes the cup home easily, if at all. And it almost certainly will not be a onesided bashing, though I wouldn't mind it.  ;D

They haven't played that well since the world cup.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 02, 2016, 06:10:15 AM
Anybody interested in watching Copa America?
If so, which team will you be supporting?

I will, rooting for Argentina of course

And regarding the Euro I like Belgium and think they have chances though the biggest candidates are Germany, Spain and France.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 02, 2016, 06:42:04 AM
I'll be cheering for Belgium and England, but I'd be even more excited if an underdog like Iceland (which won its qualification group easily if I remember correctly) made some noise.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 02, 2016, 02:01:42 PM
I'll be cheering for Belgium and England, but I'd be even more excited if an underdog like Iceland (which won its qualification group easily if I remember correctly) made some noise.

Seeing how England is performing against Portugal today I wouldn't put my money on them...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 02, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
Iceland is one of my personal favorites :tup one of my best mates is from Iceland and for them, making the tournament is already a huge achievement, so I hope they'll play their hearts out.

Besides, fucking Holland didn't even make the tournament this year. :sadpanda: Guess I don't have to deal with annoying hooligans on the street on a daily basis this year though which is great
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 02, 2016, 02:27:44 PM
I'll be cheering for Belgium and England, but I'd be even more excited if an underdog like Iceland (which won its qualification group easily if I remember correctly) made some noise.

Seeing how England is performing against Portugal today I wouldn't put my money on them...

Yeah they've been absolutely terrible
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on June 02, 2016, 05:52:47 PM
Just waiting for the club football to start again
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 03, 2016, 12:05:54 AM
Iceland winning the european championship would be a really cool thing but it's very unlikely. But then we had Greece in 2004 who very unexpectedly won the tournament. So anything can happen.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 03, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
I'm supporting my country Croatia, for sure, but I don't think we have any chance. Going past group stage would be ok, anything else is too much, probably :D (there is too much politics and personal business in our football team)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 03, 2016, 11:57:53 AM
I'm supporting my country Croatia, for sure, but I don't think we have any chance. Going past group stage would be ok, anything else is too much, probably :D (there is too much politics and personal business in our football team)

I like the Croatian team, specially the midfield. I wouldn't write you off so quickly
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 03, 2016, 12:15:49 PM
I'm supporting my country Croatia, for sure, but I don't think we have any chance. Going past group stage would be ok, anything else is too much, probably :D (there is too much politics and personal business in our football team)

I like the Croatian team, specially the midfield. I wouldn't write you off so quickly
Oh, yeah, great individuals but sometimes they play really badly together :/ however, we do have players that can finish the opponent with few moves :D. we shall see
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: don_waka on June 03, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Well Copa America will kick off in a few hours. USA will be facing Colombia (great game to watch).

I'll be supporting Chile, what a team they have  :omg:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zoom E on June 11, 2016, 04:03:18 PM
So psyched that Wales qualified for the tournament and that they won their first match.  :metal

Too bad that England couldn't get the job done today.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 11, 2016, 05:55:16 PM
Anyone interested in fantasy Euro '16? We could create DTF league. http://eurofantasy.uefa.com/en/fantasy16
Also, hyped for Croatia vs Turkey match tomorrow, it's very important for Croatia to win, otherwise it will be almost impossible to advance in next stage.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 03:28:17 AM
I could play in this I guess. Never done anything like that before but I'm interested.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 12, 2016, 05:10:01 AM
I could play in this I guess. Never done anything like that before but I'm interested.
It seems pretty cool. All of us will be three days late but that's ok. I will open a league and anyone can join.
Just pick 15 player in budget, max 3 per team. It's important to pick players who play regularly and those from teams that could advance in later stages (so you can play longer). Points are awarded for goal, assist, clean sheet etc. You can make substitutions every day until 13h CET so make sure to have players who play that day in your starting XI.
Name: DTF
League Code: 45727F0P
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 12, 2016, 05:20:32 AM
Actually I already had a fantasy team set up but apparently it wasn't on the official UEFA site. I'll join the league and start making a team before the matches.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 12, 2016, 05:21:59 AM
Look, what´s up with all the fighting and rioting going on inside and outside the stadiums. I know it happens sometimes, but I don´t remember it being so bad during a tournement only three days in. The behaviour of Russian and Brittish fans was just outrageous.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 05:48:38 AM
Yeah, I'll try to do my team in the next hour.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 12, 2016, 06:04:49 AM
Our league will start tomorrow (matchday 4) because it's past 13h, teams are locked for today now.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 06:20:55 AM
Our league will start tomorrow (matchday 4) because it's past 13h, teams are locked for today now.

Oh, that's good, I have some more time to think about it then.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 12, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
I just realized matchday 2 is after every team plays one match, so we're in on June 15th :\

About today's match Croatia vs Turkey, that goal Modrić scored was magnificent :hefdaddy I didn't like how rough Turkey played and how nervous Croats were, especially late in the game. But only thing that's important is victory in sfirst match.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 11:34:31 AM
I just realized matchday 2 is after every team plays one match, so we're in on June 15th :\

This is actually cool because I wanted to pick Bale and some folks from England team too.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on June 12, 2016, 11:38:06 AM
I just realized matchday 2 is after every team plays one match, so we're in on June 15th :\

About today's match Croatia vs Turkey, that goal Modrić scored was magnificent :hefdaddy I didn't like how rough Turkey played and how nervous Croats were, especially late in the game. But only thing that's important is victory in sfirst match.
I watched the game and thought it was highly entertaining. Croatia played pretty well and I was rooting for them from the start, so I'm happy!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 12, 2016, 11:41:30 AM
I just realized matchday 2 is after every team plays one match, so we're in on June 15th :\

About today's match Croatia vs Turkey, that goal Modrić scored was magnificent :hefdaddy I didn't like how rough Turkey played and how nervous Croats were, especially late in the game. But only thing that's important is victory in sfirst match.
I watched the game and thought it was highly entertaining. Croatia played pretty well and I was rooting for them from the start, so I'm happy!
Yeah, too bad they didn't score goal or two more.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 12:23:06 PM
I caught the last ten minutes and I thought Turkey had a decent chance to make it 1-1.

Missed Poland vs North Ireland too, but I'm going to watch Germany against Ukraine. I predict something like 3:0 for Germany.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 12, 2016, 12:36:44 PM
I predicted 3-0 for Germany aswell, but then again, I also predicted 2-0 for Poland but the finishing abilities in this tournament seem to fall short for whatever reason.

You didn't miss much with Poland - N. Ireland to be honest, a few missed opportunities for Poland but overall probably the most boring match so far.

I'm actually pretty glad how Croatia - Turkey turned out, Croatia were pretty damn good overall and are a good candidate for #1 of the group in my eyes, could've and maybe should've atleast scored one more considering they had some really good chances. Turkey were not as good as I remember them from qualifications, seems like an easy win for Spain if they play like this again on matchday 2 but they could improve. And Spain could suddenly play like shit again like 2 years ago but I doubt it, really great squad this time around and fortunately no Diego Costa, he really can't perform with the national squad.

Turkey did pretty good in the final minutes of the game yeah, they were also surprisingly attacking in the beginning, but that's just Turkey. They always manage to get really dangerous near the closing phase of a game because they feel rushed or something, but over the course of the game I was kinda disappointed in them. Maybe putting in Emre Mor a bit earlier or in the starting XI would've been better, really liked him. Today showed they can also get pretty agressive, Corluka is quite the juggernaut. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
Really liked Emre Mor too from what I saw. Dude has chops to become a great player.

I know what you mean regarding finishing abilities in this tournament, but I think if there's one team that can pull it off, it's Germany. Looking forward to this match.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 12, 2016, 12:46:45 PM
The amount of damage that Corluka was taking in the Croatia game was insane. He was down, like, what, five times, bleeding from various wounds? Huge props for him for soldiering through that.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 01:00:20 PM
Alright, let's go. Looking forward to some Martin Atkinson goodness. :D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 12, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
Dang, that was a pretty good match! Ukraine put up a really good fight and it remained exciting until the last minute. Really cool to see Schweinsteiger score in his few minutes of playing too :laugh:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 12, 2016, 03:42:01 PM
Yeah, pretty good game and Ukraine played much better than I expected.

Neuer was really good though. He's definitely making my team in the league.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 12, 2016, 04:33:38 PM
We're 7 matches in and last one was the first with two goals difference. And Ukraine maybe even deserved one goal. So, no big victories so far.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 13, 2016, 03:02:49 AM
Glad Germany won yesterday but they have to get better than that and I know they can. Ukraine put up more of a fight than I expected, thanks to Neuer they didn't score.

And that Schweinsteiger goal was a cool one. When he was coming on for the last minutes my wife asked (probably rethorically) why Löw brings him for a couple of minutes, he probably can't do much in such a short amount of time. After the goal I said: You see, that's why Löw brought him.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 13, 2016, 06:45:47 AM
Entered the DTF League, let's see how it goes.

Ready for Spain - Czech Republic match.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Eldomm on June 14, 2016, 07:04:17 AM
Great Italy win yesterday night vs Belgium! Totally unexpected... Italy played well though, we deserved it!
However that doesn't mean that we are not going to lose to Ireland and/or Sweden in the next matches, as in the last World Cup (first win with England, then two losses vs Costa Rica and Uruguay)...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 14, 2016, 08:05:02 AM
I was really glad to see Italy win, I like some of their players (Mertens, Vermaelen, Courois and Vertonghen) but mostly I think they're a bunch of world class players that can't seem to perform too well as a team.

People say they put up a great fight at the world cup. Well, they gave Argentina a tough match but overall they probably had the easiest possible group and still struggled against teams like Algeria, South Korea, and USA in the round of 16. I think individually the players might be at their prime right now though, so I'm hoping for some improvement from Kevin de Bruyne mostly, and the team as a whole.

Spain - Czech Republic was a really frustrating match to watch. :lol I thought Spain played really well for the most part, and I feel like a broken record player, but they were really bad at finishing those opportunities, mostly the huge chance Jordi Alba had. But I'm glad they got the win and I think we'll be in for an amazing match with Croatia - Spain to possibly decide the most likely to be #1 of the group.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 14, 2016, 08:42:49 AM
Doesn't matter how Italy fares in qualification rounds and friendly matches, they are a team that is always up for a good tournament (2014 being the exception to the rule). And sorry Belgium, but I never understood why everyone suddenly had you as one of the favorites. Surely a good team but not world class (imo). We'll see how it fares in the next matches.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on June 14, 2016, 08:43:40 AM
Doesn't matter how Italy fares in qualification rounds and friendly matches, they are a team that is always up for a good tournament (2014 being the exception to the rule). And sorry Belgium, but I never understood why everyone suddenly had you as one of the favorites. Surely a good team but not world class (imo). We'll see how it fares in the next matches.

I agree. How on earth Belgium is ranked #2 in the world is beyond me. Did they win a couple of world cups and euros when I was asleep?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 14, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
There seems to be a lot of math involved in the fifa ranking, but when I see that they have France at #17 and Austria at #10 (and Belgium at #2), maybe the math is wrong. And Germany is still #4 despite not acomplishing much since the world cup.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 14, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Their record was really solid last world cup even though they only made quarter finals and didn't score much goals. They went out of the group with 9 points. And they got out of Euro 16 qualifications pretty easily with quite an easy group again.

The Fifa/Cocacola rankings are one of the most unreliable ranking systems I've ever seen though, never trust any of that. I mean, to put it in perspective: France is ranked below Switzerland and Romania most likely because they simply played less games because they didn't have to play qualifiers for EURO 16.

Spain was also unexpectedly at the top before they even won any major tournament because they went out of the euro qualifiers with only wins, though I don't understand completely because that would mean England should probably be higher than #11 right now.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 14, 2016, 08:58:18 AM
I don't know exactly how are those points calculated but I know even the win against very bad teams (San Marino, Andora etc.) give negative points :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 14, 2016, 09:04:24 AM
I find it pretty amazing that the most decisive score so far has been 2:0, and that there has been no match with more than 3 goals in the tournament so far. I don't have the statistics of past tournaments on hand, but it seems pretty low to me.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Heavy Metal Hippie on June 14, 2016, 09:52:58 AM
Epic italian rape with a wonderful old school, but effective strategy.

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And Germany is still #4 despite not acomplishing much since the world cup.

Well, they won their qualification group. There wasn't much more to acomplish.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on June 14, 2016, 10:00:03 AM
There seems to be a lot of math involved in the fifa ranking, but when I see that they have France at #17 and Austria at #10 (and Belgium at #2), maybe the math is wrong. And Germany is still #4 despite not acomplishing much since the world cup.

Yeah but the world cup was the last tournament after all, how much could you accomplish outside of that? That's my main problem with the rankings is that it seems completely random. The teams that actually end up winning world cups and euros don't seem to benefit much from that when they rank the teams, so what are they giving out points for, friendlies?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 14, 2016, 10:11:54 AM
I find it pretty amazing that the most decisive score so far has been 2:0, and that there has been no match with more than 3 goals in the tournament so far. I don't have the statistics of past tournaments on hand, but it seems pretty low to me.

You should be watching Copa América, tons of goals and fun matches

I don't know exactly how are those points calculated but I know even the win against very bad teams (San Marino, Andora etc.) give negative points :lol

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/procedure/men.html (http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/procedure/men.html) Reading that won't guarantee that you'l understand how they're calculated but at least you'll have a reference  :P
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 14, 2016, 02:55:16 PM
Portugal tie to Iceland 1-1!  :o
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Post by: Evermind on June 14, 2016, 10:48:28 PM
I expected more from Portugal to be honest.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 15, 2016, 12:15:39 AM
That shows that you shouldn't undererstimate Iceland. Just ask the Netherlands  :biggrin:
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 15, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Anything can happen on Euro Cup, every team went through qualifications and ddeserved to be here. Iceland is very good team, I hope they'll advance to the next stage.
Few more hours left to join fantasy league for matchday 2, there are only three of us for now.
http://eurofantasy.uefa.com/en/fantasy16
League Code: 45727F0P
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 15, 2016, 02:23:39 AM
I thought the biggest surprise was 0-2 Hungary Austria to be honest, didn't expect Portugal to do well at all. But I had my hopes for Austria. I think I even placed Austria first of the group. :lol
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Post by: Evermind on June 15, 2016, 02:38:32 AM
Russia is playing their match early this time, can't watch it at work. Bummer.

Looking forward to see how much will I fail in the league.
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Post by: Eldomm on June 15, 2016, 02:42:14 AM
The teams that actually end up winning world cups and euros don't seem to benefit much from that when they rank the teams, so what are they giving out points for, friendlies?

Yes! this is one of the reasons why Italy is so low in ranking and was not seeded among the first teams. Always quite poor performances in friendlies...
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on June 15, 2016, 06:43:29 AM
Joined the DTF cup as well!
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Post by: Evermind on June 15, 2016, 11:24:46 AM
Just got back from work and found out Eden Hazard is marked "doubtful" in the Fantasy League. Did anything happen to him during Belgium - Italy or what? I didn't watch it.
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Post by: Elite on June 15, 2016, 02:56:20 PM
Jesus Christ that was the most undeserving win I've ever seen. The French shouldn't have won that in the slightest.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 15, 2016, 06:10:27 PM
 ???  I only saw the second half but it seemed like they created far more chances than Albania and earned at leas one goal. The header was practically unguarded.
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Post by: Eldomm on June 16, 2016, 12:22:52 AM
Just got back from work and found out Eden Hazard is marked "doubtful" in the Fantasy League. Did anything happen to him during Belgium - Italy or what? I didn't watch it.

Not during the match... possibly in the following days?
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Post by: Onno on June 16, 2016, 01:22:47 AM
???  I only saw the second half but it seemed like they created far more chances than Albania and earned at leas one goal. The header was practically unguarded.
The first half was atrocious.
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Post by: Nekov on June 16, 2016, 06:05:35 AM
Just got back from work and found out Eden Hazard is marked "doubtful" in the Fantasy League. Did anything happen to him during Belgium - Italy or what? I didn't watch it.

Not during the match... possibly in the following days?

I read that there's some speculation that Wilmots might decide not to play him for the next match
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 16, 2016, 06:38:04 AM
According to a short notice in a german newspaper Hazard has knee problems and it's unsure if he's fit to play the next game. So the situation is hazardous.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Elite on June 16, 2016, 06:48:43 AM
???  I only saw the second half but it seemed like they created far more chances than Albania and earned at leas one goal. The header was practically unguarded.
The first half was atrocious.

The first half was terrible indeed. Also they seemed to get away with many more fouls. The match really should have ended in a tie, no team was clearly better, even though it was a matter of time before the French scored, but the way they screwed up most of their chances was terrible as well. As soon as they hit a team that's clearly stronger, it's game over.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 16, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
USA v Ecuador....................what a game ;D
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 16, 2016, 11:47:28 PM
Boring game yesterday between Poland and Germany. Germany controlled the game but couldn't create quality scoring chances. They have to do better than that if they want to go far.
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Post by: Onno on June 17, 2016, 01:28:15 AM
Yeah holy shit that game was boring.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 17, 2016, 01:44:51 AM
Really? Second half was entertaining.
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 17, 2016, 01:55:35 AM
I didn't catch all of it but Poland definitely seemed like the more dangerous team in the final parts of that game. Didn't look like Germany were in control to me. One thing's for sure, Milik can not perform under pressure, holy shit he dun goof'd
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 17, 2016, 01:58:36 AM
The second half was a little better because Poland tried to play a bit more offensive and it created some half-chances for both teams, but for me it was far from an entertaining match. Only me rooting for Germany kept me watching otherwise I would have gone to sleep.

And I don't saw Poland as the more dangerous team, but then I'm biased. They could have two dangerousa chances if Milik could hit a ball, but apart from that there weren't really any dangerous situations for the german team. Not that Germany was that much better but at least they had some half-decent shots at the goal.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 17, 2016, 02:13:32 AM
Croatia vs Czech Republic today. Can't wait :D
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Post by: Zydar on June 17, 2016, 02:15:15 AM
Sweden vs Italy today. I'm at work so I'll have to follow it on the web.
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 17, 2016, 03:31:17 AM
Spain vs. Turkey today :laugh: I hope I won't miss anything but I'll probably be at work until 9 PM and have to make my way home afterwards still, so I will very likely miss the first half hour. By the looks of it so far in this tournament though, there won't be any goals by then anyways :lol
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Post by: Evermind on June 17, 2016, 04:02:35 AM
Can't make it for Sweden - Italy but I'll probably catch the other two.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 17, 2016, 05:29:17 AM
Italy looked the most solid of all the teams I saw play in the first round of games (though I missed Germany). I'm looking forward to seeing if they can keep that up.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 17, 2016, 12:07:27 PM
Wow, that ended awfully. Let me give you some "inside info", here's the thing with flares: there is group of "supporters" (hooligans) who hate federation of Croatian football, chairman, politics inside it etc. And they literally want Croatia to be kicked out and whole administration to resign or whatever. I'm pretty sure that was planned. Awful day for our team, country and football.
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Post by: Evermind on June 17, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Wow, that ended awfully. Let me give you some "inside info", here's the thing with flares: there is group of "supporters" (hooligans) who hate federation of Croatian football, chairman, politics inside it etc. And they literally want Croatia to be kicked out and whole administration to resign or whatever. I'm pretty sure that was planned. Awful day for our team, country and football.

Didn't get home in time to watch the game. Can you elaborate a bit if it's not too much? Some "fans" lit up the flares in the end?

Also, for all the results I've got wrong it's damn nice to finally get something right. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/IDI02jK.png)
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Post by: Bruinsfan25 on June 17, 2016, 12:36:29 PM
My question is how did they even get flares into the stadium? That seems like a security issue. I have family traveling to France for the Portugal game next week and I was pretty confident that it would be safe there but after today I can't help but wonder.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 17, 2016, 12:47:24 PM
They started throwing flares (commentators counted 12, I think) and crackers or something very explosive, almost injured fireman. Referee had to stop the game for 10 minutes or so. It was at the time Croatia had 2:1, after that they couldn't play anymore, started to defend and it's good they haven't conceded more than 2 goals. Also, Luka Modrić picked an injury before that incident. Doctor said he probably won't play against Spain :(
Really, really sad, this ruined my day, and week. We won't forget this soon. I bet if this never happened Croatia would have 6 points already.
My question is how did they even get flares into the stadium? That seems like a security issue. I have family traveling to France for the Portugal game next week and I was pretty confident that it would be safe there but after today I can't help but wonder.
My question exactly. And in interview after the match one player said police couldn't go up and arrest hooligans because they didn't have authority on stadium. WTF?
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Post by: Evermind on June 17, 2016, 01:24:19 PM
They started throwing flares (commentators counted 12, I think) and crackers or something very explosive, almost injured fireman. Referee had to stop the game for 10 minutes or so. It was at the time Croatia had 2:1, after that they couldn't play anymore, started to defend and it's good they haven't conceded more than 2 goals. Also, Luka Modrić picked an injury before that incident. Doctor said he probably won't play against Spain :(
Really, really sad, this ruined my day, and week. We won't forget this soon. I bet if this never happened Croatia would have 6 points already.
My question is how did they even get flares into the stadium? That seems like a security issue. I have family traveling to France for the Portugal game next week and I was pretty confident that it would be safe there but after today I can't help but wonder.
My question exactly. And in interview after the match one player said police couldn't go up and arrest hooligans because they didn't have authority on stadium. WTF?

Sounds awful indeed. I hate when that happens. Why would anyone actually do that? Just watch the damn game and enjoy it.
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 17, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
I loosely followed the Croatia game at work, saw the penalty but didnt hear about the flares until just now, thats really sad. I felt bad for the team too, from what ive seen that was an awful way to get tied in the last minute based on how they performed.

Meanwhile, can Spain get the 4-0 Ive been looking for? 2 goals within 3 minutes :lol
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Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2016, 08:19:55 AM
Belgium is playing pretty good so far.

Edit: and I mean really good. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on June 18, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
Absolutely gutted for Iceland. Own-goal equalizer for Hungary in the 88th minute, after Iceland led for a substantial chunk of the game.
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Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2016, 12:32:01 PM
Absolutely gutted for Iceland. Own-goal equalizer for Hungary in the 88th minute, after Iceland led for a substantial chunk of the game.

To be fair though, I thought Hungary was severely outplaying them in the second half. Well-deserved goal for Hungary IMO.

And the way Iceland botched the last free kick... :facepalm: I predicted 2-1 for Iceland in this game and I was really counting on them to get a goal from that free kick.
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 18, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
I really want Iceland to go big this tournament but the way both teams played today it goes to show you the quality drop going from 16 team tournaments to 24. This is honestly the first game where I saw major mistakes from both teams time after time, without much compensation at all. If in some dimension it would be possible to award both teams no points that would be my way to go. But I guess they'll face the facts once they get to the knock-out stage, unless of course they step up their game because both teams were quite good in the first round.

Absolutely gutted for Iceland. Own-goal equalizer for Hungary in the 88th minute, after Iceland led for a substantial chunk of the game.

To be fair though, I thought Hungary was severely outplaying them in the second half. Well-deserved goal for Hungary IMO.

And the way Iceland botched the last free kick... :facepalm: I predicted 2-1 for Iceland in this game and I was really counting on them to get a goal from that free kick.
Yeah Hungary really did better overall though it was mostly due to Iceland's poor ball control, being behind 30 against 70% ball possession against a team like Hungary that doesn't even play that conservatively at all is oddly impressive.

Still, I like that everything is still kinda evened out in this group, so every team still has a chance to 'prove' themselves
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 18, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
I was actually rooting for Iceland from the beginning of the tournament, don't know why, but I like them :P
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Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2016, 01:13:39 PM
I was actually rooting for Iceland from the beginning of the tournament, don't know why, but I like them :P

I agree. I'm still rooting for Iceland, I like them for some reason.
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Post by: RoeDent on June 18, 2016, 01:28:21 PM
Perhaps because they're the "little guy". The country only has a population of 300,000. Apparently (heard on commentary the other day) if you're a 20-40-year-old Icelandic man, you have a roughly one-in-2000 chance of being picked for the national squad.

Also, their fans' unison grunting has become my new favourite football chant.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 18, 2016, 01:34:53 PM
And I like Iceland, beautiful country. I'd like to go there someday.
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Post by: Evermind on June 18, 2016, 01:53:32 PM
Pretty dull performance from Portugal so far, they need to up their game for the second half as far as I'm concerned. They had some moments, true, but I expected more from them.
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Post by: don_waka on June 19, 2016, 09:18:59 AM
Last night Chile thrashed Mexico 7-0 at the Copa America :omg:
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Post by: Nekov on June 20, 2016, 05:37:25 AM
Last night Chile thrashed Mexico 7-0 at the Copa America :omg:

I didn't watch the game but I was shocked with this result. Mexico had been playing an amazing tournament and I don't think anyone expected something like this. Tomorrow Argentina plays USA, I like our chances but I don't want to underestimate their potential.
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Post by: Evermind on June 20, 2016, 12:49:00 PM
Despite that today is Monday, I'm staying up late and watching both games at once. They're better be good.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 20, 2016, 12:59:29 PM
Despite that today is Monday, I'm staying up late and watching both games at once. They're better be good.
Everything can happen in group B.
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Post by: Evermind on June 20, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Sometimes it's frustrating to root for Russia.

That's why I was rooting for England and Wales on this Euro from Day 1. :lol
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Post by: Evermind on June 20, 2016, 02:50:57 PM
And so it ends for our national team, and well, that was a disaster to put it mildly. I didn't have a lot of hope in Russia but I thought with the new rules they could qualify from the third place, but yeah, they didn't manage to do even that.

I'm hoping that Wales will get as far as they can. Bale is a beast and Ramsey and Allen both were at the top of their game. It was a pure pleasure and joy to watch them in this game, whereas Russian team looked like they didn't even want to be there.
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Post by: don_waka on June 20, 2016, 05:00:08 PM
Last night Chile thrashed Mexico 7-0 at the Copa America :omg:

I didn't watch the game but I was shocked with this result. Mexico had been playing an amazing tournament and I don't think anyone expected something like this. Tomorrow Argentina plays USA, I like our chances but I don't want to underestimate their potential.

No need to underestimate the US; they play a fine game but they're ages from the way Argentina plays.

Looks like there's going to be another Argentina - Chile blockbuster final  :tup
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Post by: RoeDent on June 21, 2016, 04:32:06 AM
Spectacular performance from Wales last night. Made better by the fact that England had a typically dismal night.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 21, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
Croatia coach made 5 changes since last match. Modrić and Mandžukić are out due to injuries but there are 3 more changes. This could be interesting :corn
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 21, 2016, 02:51:48 PM
Awesome game. Kinda hoped for the 1-1 but Croatia was clearly better in the second half. Neither team should've gotten a penalty so I'm actually glad Spain didnt score it, wouldve been unfair. No shame in losing to one of my favorite teams of the tournament to begin with :tup

I think this means Spain will play Wales in the round of 16? I can live with that, they havent impressed me much despite coming in #1 but Spain definitely need to improve if they want to have a shot at their third consecutive championship title.

EDIT: Apparently it's most likely to be Spain Italy, nice!
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Post by: Elite on June 21, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
lolwrongthread

What a fantastic game! Croatia are my new favourite team to win Euro 2016. I actually thought that after the game against Czech Republic as well, but they lost their lead there. This was fantastic.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 21, 2016, 02:59:42 PM
lolwrongthread

What a fantastic game! Croatia are my new favourite team to win Euro 2016. I actually thought that after the game against Czech Republic as well, but they lost their lead there. This was fantastic.
Yes, magnificent :hefdaddy and without Luka Modrić. We all hoped for Czech Republic to win so we can play against Wales in 1/8 finals. No one could predict win against Spain.
Spain plays against Italy and Croatia against 3rd in group B, E or F (still don't get this new format).

Awesome game. Kinda hoped for the 1-1 but Croatia was clearly better in the second half. Neither team should've gotten a penalty so I'm actually glad Spain didnt score it, wouldve been unfair. No shame in losing to one of my favorite teams of the tournament to begin with :tup

I think this means Spain will play Wales in the round of 16? I can live with that, they havent impressed me much despite coming in #1 but Spain definitely need to improve if they want to have a shot at their third consecutive championship title.

EDIT: Apparently it's most likely to be Spain Italy, nice!
I was pretty happy for Croatian players to play so good in 2nd half Iniesta had no idea what to do with the ball.
I accept my 0/10 :tup
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 21, 2016, 03:07:09 PM
Well, thanks to Croatia to ship Spain our way (I'm italian so I root for Italy), we really needed that  :facepalm:

So if Italy somehow defeats Spain will likely face Germany in the quarter finals and France in the semi-finals. Only good thing out of this is that if by any chance they reach the final, they're gonna win hands down  ;D

Italy always sucked at the first stage, and now that they dominate they get Spain. Damn!!!!!
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 21, 2016, 03:10:47 PM
Of course not :tup it was a good game and I knew it could be close.

I feel like the whole penalty drama is going to become a big pointless issue. A bit odd that Subasic was allowed out of his goal that far but I feel like it shouldn't have been a penalty in the first place.

Well, thanks to Croatia to ship Spain our way (I'm italian so I root for Italy), we really needed that  :facepalm:

So if Italy somehow defeats Spain will likely face Germany in the quarter finals and France in the semi-finals. Only good thing out of this is that if by any chance they reach the final, they're gonna win hands down  ;D

Italy always sucked at the first stage, and now that they dominate they get Spain. Damn!!!!!

That's always tough, a lot of the time you want to face the lowest rated team, but how the teams are currently ranked in the groups after all games are played is how they are ranked in this instance, so I don't know, maybe Croatia is a more dangerous side to face than Spain. I wasn't impressed by them in their first game but they seem to get better with each next one.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 21, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
Croatia has impressed me, I like watching them.  That Spain v Italy should be awesome. I hope Italy keeps some guys out tomorrow cause the game means nothing. Anyhow............getting ready for U.S. v Argentina. Stoked. I hope our guys keep it a match. But I think Argentina 2-1.
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Post by: don_waka on June 21, 2016, 08:56:53 PM
Aaaaand Argentina makes it to the final of the Copa América  :tup
Colombia plays Chile tomorrow night. The winner will play Argentina on Sunday.
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Post by: senecadawg2 on June 21, 2016, 09:01:16 PM
The US is simply not ready for that level of competition. Need more work on the fundamentals.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 21, 2016, 09:38:08 PM
need a better support system from youth on up.  it is not the team. they will be a 10-20 ranked team until we build a program. been 20+ years in this current system and we will not be elite until we establish what other countries do.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on June 21, 2016, 11:57:32 PM
Germany got their well deserved win and could/should have made more than one goal. Müller alone had chances for three or four goals.

Congrats to Croatia for beating Spain, didn't see that one coming. Now Spain vs. Italy in the next round sounds more like semi-final or final. Could be a classic.
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Post by: Nekov on June 22, 2016, 10:16:17 AM
Aaaaand Argentina makes it to the final of the Copa América  :tup
Great game indeed

(https://s32.postimg.org/cc6kpdl0l/Whats_App_Image_20160621.jpg)
Murica's face when Messi scores an impossible goal

need a better support system from youth on up.  it is not the team. they will be a 10-20 ranked team until we build a program. been 20+ years in this current system and we will not be elite until we establish what other countries do.

Agreed. I believe Kilnsman has addresed this but it's complicated. They way all American sports are set is you base your youth on high school and college and that's not how it works in the rest of the world. I'm not sure how that can be changed.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 22, 2016, 11:02:19 AM
Aaaaand Argentina makes it to the final of the Copa América  :tup
Great game indeed

(https://s32.postimg.org/cc6kpdl0l/Whats_App_Image_20160621.jpg)
Murica's face when Messi scores an impossible goal

need a better support system from youth on up.  it is not the team. they will be a 10-20 ranked team until we build a program. been 20+ years in this current system and we will not be elite until we establish what other countries do.

Agreed. I believe Kilnsman has addresed this but it's complicated. They way all American sports are set is you base your youth on high school and college and that's not how it works in the rest of the world. I'm not sure how that can be changed.
agree 100%. we in the united states do not build youth programs as Europe, S. America etc. trust me there is talent. it is just not used properly. I come from a town and played soccer with 3 guys that were mainstays of the national team in the 90's. again talent is there..........it is just not used properly
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Post by: Scorpion on June 22, 2016, 11:29:23 AM
Hungary - Portugal is insane.
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Post by: Evermind on June 22, 2016, 11:30:53 AM
Yeah, pretty awesome and intense so far.
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 22, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
Hungary - Portugal is insane.
15 minutes until the end of match and everyone in group F still can advance to the next stage :lol
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Post by: Evermind on June 22, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
Hahahaha and Iceland scored a last minute goal. Portugal is third in their group.
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Post by: Scorpion on June 22, 2016, 11:56:09 AM
Awesome.
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Post by: Train of Naught on June 22, 2016, 11:57:42 AM
That last minute goal was awesome :lol

My prediction for this group is COMPLETELY upside down with the actual standings :rollin Austria, Portugal, Iceland, Hungary, wtf man!

Jist saw Ronaldos first goal tho, that was simply legendary.
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Post by: Scorpion on June 22, 2016, 12:00:02 PM
Yeah, for all the criticism he gets, he's still a world-class player. That goal...  :omg:
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Post by: Tomislav95 on June 22, 2016, 12:15:31 PM
Croatia vs Portugal in 1/8 finals :corn
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Post by: chknptpie on June 22, 2016, 12:41:41 PM
Iceland is one of my new favorite teams.
https://twitter.com/rvkgrapevine
"You gotta smite for your right to play in the next round"
"THE TIME OF SMITING AUSTRIA INTO THE JAWS OF OBLIVION ON OUR MARCH TO CERTAIN VICTORY IS NIGH"
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 22, 2016, 12:47:21 PM
Too bad for me that England and Iceland have to play one another, I was hoping for both of them to advance as far as possible.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2016, 12:53:15 PM
I root in order for:
Italy (I'm italian)
Germany (Love Germany as a country, been there several times)
Iceland (I always pick an underdog in these tournaments).

So far, so good.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 22, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
For me it went

Spain
Croatia
Austria (that dream is dead now)
Italy
Iceland

And now after seeing the group matches pan out and how every team performed:

Spain (gotta go with the home country, and I still adore their playing style)
Croatia (honestly a great team, getting #1 secured them the on paper easier route towards the finals so if theres a year for this country to make finals, its right now)
Italy (despite playing against Spain, I will root for them in case they beat Spain because Ive always loved Italian football, and Imglad theres no Balotelli this time around to destroy my love for their team.)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 22, 2016, 11:56:30 PM
I'm still rooting for Germany but if they don't make it, Iceland should win the cup (but not when they have to face Germany in the semi-final  :biggrin:).

Spain vs. Italy: anything can happen but I think Spain will get through and then it's tough for anyone to beat them. France maybe, but their performance so far didn't really convince me. England will have a hard time beating Iceland and I don't think they can go much further.

On the other half of the tourney I think Belgium and Croatia are the two most likely candidates for a semi-final. Sure anything can happen, but I don't see any of the other teams as strong as these two.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Xanthul on June 24, 2016, 04:10:17 AM
Spain (gotta go with the home country, and I still adore their playing style)

France is the home country ;)

I don't trust our team (Spain) at all, our manager is too soft and doesn't react in time during matches. The performance vs Croacia was pathetic, the players seemed not to care at all and Vicente del Bosque did nothing about it. Hopefully I'm wrong and the players wake up now that the tough matches are coming.

Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 24, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Yeah I guess we'll see. I agree that the second half was terrible, and in the game against Czech Republic they simply couldn't finish any chances, but their ball control and passing skills are still top notch so I think there's only some small issues to be fixed. I'm no expert though.

And what's up with leaving Koke on the bench all the time?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 24, 2016, 04:34:26 AM
Iniesta is the key player. If Italians don't close him down you'll have enough chances.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on June 24, 2016, 04:49:29 AM
As the last 16 draw turns out, we're probably going to have a surprise finalist that very few would have predicted to get there. All the traditional heavyweights (Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc.) are in the bottom half of the draw. It's really fascinating.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 24, 2016, 04:59:28 AM
I'm rooting for Croatia, of course but it seems Belgium plays better and better, it wouldn't surprise me if they went to the final. I think top semi-final will be Belgium vs Croatia/Portugal.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 24, 2016, 06:59:40 AM
As the last 16 draw turns out, we're probably going to have a surprise finalist that very few would have predicted to get there. All the traditional heavyweights (Germany, Italy, Spain, France etc.) are in the bottom half of the draw. It's really fascinating.

Well, it's only their fault if Spain and England kinda sucked but it's weird to have the top half of the round of 16 made up of 8 nations that together didn't win I believe a single thing at all. While all the world and european champions, including the current ones, are in the other half.

Fascinating on one hand, anticlimatic on the other, all the excellent matches will happen before the final and then you'll have a David vs. Goliath kind of final, I predict it will be Croatia, Belgium or even Wales on the other side.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 24, 2016, 08:15:30 AM
Just saying it would be really cool to see Wales in the final.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 24, 2016, 08:48:56 AM
European Championship Final 2016: WALES vs. ICELAND  :metal

I'm calling it first.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 24, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
European Championship Final 2016: WALES vs. ICELAND  :metal

I'm calling it first.

That would've been super awesome. My dream final or something like that.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 24, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
I would sign up for Italy's defeat if that actually happens.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 25, 2016, 09:47:14 AM
Anyone who missed Shaqiri's goal against Poland must check it out  :omg:

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/shaqiri-golazo-draws-switzerland-level-1782604845?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/shaqiri-golazo-draws-switzerland-level-1782604845?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on June 25, 2016, 01:29:28 PM
Shaqiri's goal was spectacular; easily the best in the tournament so far (and there have been a few nominees for that).

Also, unfortunate way for Northern Ireland to be eliminated, but I'm so happy that Wales progress.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 25, 2016, 01:39:32 PM
My favorite is definitely Ronaldo's backheel but Shaqiri's goal is up there with the best of the tournament definitely. Too bad the Swiss got eliminated, like their team way more than Poland. I missed the game though, so I don't know who played better.

Felt really bad for that McCauley dude, Bale put him in a spot where he didn't really have any option so he had to try and block the ball because there was a plyer right behind him to chip the ball in if he wouldn't be in the way. No shame in his OG. I know I "should" be supporting Aaron Ramsey because he's in Arsenal but I don't like Wales that much actually. This game was no exception.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 25, 2016, 01:51:12 PM
Croatia vs Portugal is very closed game so far, probably very boring for neutrals :D Portugal really did great with those few changes, especially with William.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 25, 2016, 01:52:35 PM
Holy shit, all those games today have been pretty tedious to watch, the second half of Poland - Switzerland being an exception maybe. And yes, Shaqiri's goal was spectacular.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on June 25, 2016, 03:39:08 PM
Croatia - Portugal goes into history as the most abonimable game of football ever to be played at a major tournament. Jesus Christ, what a fucking drag that was.

And I have this complete detest for the Portuguese football team as well, which makes it even worse.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 25, 2016, 04:22:00 PM
It really sucks Croatia is out this early. It's also sad they conceded a goal in a way they avoided in whole match by retaining possession. They should've play more attacking football today, this was simply not good enoug. :(
I hope Portugal won't become Greece 2004.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 25, 2016, 05:02:05 PM
Croatia - Portugal goes into history as the most abonimable game of football ever to be played at a major tournament. Jesus Christ, what a fucking drag that was.

And I have this complete detest for the Portuguese football team as well, which makes it even worse.

Completely agree, I was really hoping they would lose. Pepe and Ronaldo are two of the biggest cunts in the game, and I've got no love for anyone else on that team either.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 25, 2016, 05:05:43 PM
While I normally agree, I have to say in their defence that Ronaldo definitely managed to make his ego take a step back behind the interests of his team; I believe he only had one shot on goal and spent a lot of time defending as well. Granted, the interests of his team were apparently to suck the fun out of the game at any cost, but still.

Still wish that Croatia had gone through though.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 25, 2016, 05:24:26 PM
I agree with that, but my critique is less about Ronaldo as a player (especially today) and more about his general whininess and egotism off the field  :P

Tomorrow I'll be cheering for all the underdogs (sorry Tommy boy). That is, unless Dembele has recovered from his ankle injury and starts, in which case I'll grudgingly support Belgium.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 25, 2016, 05:44:12 PM
Am I Tommy boy? :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 25, 2016, 05:58:45 PM
No but you can be  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 25, 2016, 06:03:43 PM
But who's Tommy?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 25, 2016, 07:22:50 PM
I have all the respect in the world for Ronaldo, he's probably my favorite player in the world even though I'm an Atletico Madrid fanatic, but that really was the most boring game in the tournament so far. I believe he was called Vadi (the CB of Croatia), that literally stretched out every buildup phase of every single attack in the game and the same goes for Portugal. Ronaldo was as exciting as a sack of potatoes but I hope he can step up in quarters.

I literally left the house to go do something else and missed the only goal of the game because I just couldn't care less. I really wanted to see Croatia go through but at this point I simply didn't care for either team anymore. It was such a passive game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 04:01:52 AM
Thee matches today!

France vs Ireland... I root for Ireland. France and Italy are neighbours so there's always been a strong rivality, furthermore the irish are fun people who enjoy beer and discussions with leprechaun while singing along to countless memorable irish folk songs, why anyone who isn't directly involved should root against them?  :D

Germany vs Slovakia... I root for Germany, if Italy ever gets out of the round of 16 alive, they can always count on being able to always defeat the germans  :biggrin:

And I'm really neutral about Belgium vs Hungary, without Croatia I think that now Belgium along Portugal itself and Wales is the biggest candidate to reach the final in the "We never ever won a single tournament all paired up together the 8 of us" part of the panel.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2016, 07:57:35 AM
Thee matches today!

France vs Ireland... I root for Ireland. France and Italy are neighbours so there's always been a strong rivality, furthermore the irish are fun people who enjoy beer and discussions with leprechaun while singing along to countless memorable irish folk songs, why anyone who isn't directly involved should root against them?  :D

Germany vs Slovakia... I root for Germany, if Italy ever gets out of the round of 16 alive, they can always count on being able to always defeat the germans  :biggrin:

And I'm really neutral about Belgium vs Hungary, without Croatia I think that now Belgium along Portugal itself and Wales is the biggest candidate to reach the final in the "We never ever won a single tournament all paired up together the 8 of us" part of the panel.

Worked my ass off today (working on Sunday sucks) and missed the first half of France - Ireland. But I root for Ireland too and it seems they're in the lead so I'm hopeful they can pull it off.

Obviously rooting for Germany in the second game... they're my favourite "big" team besides England, so obviously they have to win.

Belgium against Hungary, I'm rooting for Belgium because I've got four of their players in my Fantasy League team. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 26, 2016, 08:26:37 AM
This is just sad to watch  :rollin
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2016, 08:28:46 AM
I'm not watching, actually. Any short description on what the hell is happening?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 26, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Just 2 easy goals from Griezman, they were set up pretty well but the RoI defence is completely falling apart. Also at an attempt of making it a hattrick Griezman got tackled from behind with no intentions to hit the ball at all and now Ireland's playing with 10 guys :lol

Also it's good to note that even though France will likely go on to quarters they are missing Kante and Rami due to second yellow cards and as far as I know they dont have very good replacements for those positions (CB and CDM)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2016, 08:40:01 AM
Thank you man, yeah, that sounds sad for Ireland indeed.

Gonna be watching Germany vs Slovakia, hopefully it'll be good.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on June 26, 2016, 08:46:39 AM
I really wanted Ireland to win this one, but yeah, the defense on both Griezmann's goals was terrible. That red card foul was ridiculously funny though.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
I don't want to jinx it, but so far it looks like Neuer will have another match without a single goal conceded. This guy is a beast.

Oh, and Slovakia is doomed.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on June 26, 2016, 10:50:11 AM
Yeah, Germany's set out to completely destroy whatever opponent they're up against. Impressive playing so far.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 11:56:25 AM
Yeah, Germany's set out to completely destroy whatever opponent they're up against. Impressive playing so far.

Well, never say never, statistics are meant to be overruled, players in the team change etc, but Germany will face whoever wins between Italy and Spain, AKA "the only two teams that were able to defeat Germany in major tournaments in the last ten years"
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 26, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
I believe that whatever team coming out of the Germany/Italy/Spain trio will have all the confidence in the world and breeze through the rest of the matches, momentum is the name of the game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2016, 12:11:45 PM
Well, for sure if Italy gets rid of Spain, to whom they always lost recently, surely they will be pumped in facing Germany, against whom they always won, and I literally mean "always" at least in recorded history  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on June 26, 2016, 02:36:19 PM
Oh my god Belgium stop it :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 26, 2016, 02:39:45 PM
Whether it's poor chemistry or what, I'm not sure, but I think this Belgian team is way overrated. I know they have a lot of individual talent, but I'm tired of hearing about the "golden generation" which hasn't, in reality, won anything of note. It smacks of arrogance and is exemplified no better than by Hazard, who whined and sulked his way through this past club season.

The contrast between them and Italy in that first game was the most telling, I thought. Completely outworked and clearly less disciplined than a much more humble team of Italian (mostly) fogies, with far less individual talent.

Sure, when they're clicking they look impressive enough, but they piss me off all the same.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 26, 2016, 02:42:03 PM
I don't follow the Premier League, so I can't comment on Hazard's past season, but he was brilliant in this match.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on June 26, 2016, 02:42:19 PM
However you put it, two goals within a single minute is impressive though.

I also don't really know enough about football to comment on this sort of stuff, though I just enjoy watching the Euros. Belgium doing pretty well so far is just a nice band-aid for the fact that The Netherlands aren't playing.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 26, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
Y'all are both right--they've looked really good today.

I just hate them, maybe irrationally, and hope that Wales curb stomps them  :D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 26, 2016, 02:50:47 PM
Hungary didn't deserve to suffer the worst defeat of the tournament imo, I really liked them during the tournament. :\ However, they were clearly outclassed against a Belgian team that showed for the first time today why they are held in such high esteem.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on June 26, 2016, 02:51:36 PM
I want Portugal to suffer an even worse defeat.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 26, 2016, 02:52:40 PM
I'll be cheering for Belgium
Lost hope, seneca?  :laugh:

From the 'easy' side of the bracket my favorites are Portugal and Poland. Dunno, I have an unexplanatory vendetta against Belgium and Wales or something.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 26, 2016, 03:00:20 PM
Hungary didn't deserve to suffer the worst defeat of the tournament imo, I really liked them during the tournament. :\ However, they were clearly outclassed against a Belgian team that showed for the first time today why they are held in such high esteem.

I liked Hungary because at least they went for the win, rather than parking the bus and maybe only losing by a goal or two. Though it probably wasn't the smartest tactical decision, playing against arguably the best counter attacking team in the world  :lol

I'll be cheering for Belgium
Lost hope, seneca?  :laugh:

No, haha. There are a couple Belgian players that I like a lot: Alderweireld, Vertonghen, and Dembele.  Dembele most of all. Unfortunately he's only played about one half this whole tournament.

And on the other side of things, I despise Hazard, Courtois, Fellani, Origi, and Nainggolan.

So despite liking a couple defenders, I hope the selfish bastards sink.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 26, 2016, 03:08:59 PM
Yeah I'm with you there. It's very easy to feel that way about Belgium because they're literally just some talented individuals so there's going to be that feeling of liking some players but not really rooting for them as a team. With their substitutions it's never really a tactical decision either, it's just "let's see if this guy can pull off something great and if he doesn't I'll just bench him again".
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 26, 2016, 03:53:48 PM
Other than USA, Belgium is my favorite international team. I happen to be a big fan of De Bruyne, Alderweireld, Kompany, Mertens, Lukaku, Benteke, Etc.

I can agree though Nelson, regarding the individual talent. Sometimes they look like a group of really good individuals, rather than a really good team. However today, they looked quite great. Granted, Hungary isn't the toughest of opponents.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 26, 2016, 07:03:15 PM
This Copa America final has been wild so far. Terrible ref, great drama.

Go Argentina!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on June 26, 2016, 09:05:36 PM
Messi missed a PK, wow.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: don_waka on June 26, 2016, 09:55:37 PM
What a great team, Chile  :omg:

Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 27, 2016, 12:35:44 AM
Well deserved win yesterday for Germany and finally they're not only creating scoring chances, they are beginning to use them. OK, with the exception of Özil's weak penalty shot. But I didn't think it was a clear penalty so it doesn't really matter.

When Germany is keeping up their game they can beat anyone. But playing against Spain or Italy will still be extremely hard and the german team not only has to play their best, I think even more important is, that they don't think about the past matches against both and thus getting the psychological disadvantage.

I have only seen some scenes from Belgium vs. Hungary and the score is surely impressive, but I'm still not convinced that Belgium is as good as some claim them to be. We'll see.

And today England will follow the vote and make their brexit from this tourney against Iceland.  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 01:50:46 AM
And today England will follow the vote and make their brexit from this tourney against Iceland.  ;)

Haha, I wish! nothing against England, it's just that Iceland is the perfect underdog to root for.

Today there's also Italy vs Spain, and sorry to any spanish supporters here, but I have a bone to pick with them. Last Euro Cup Spain won 4-0 the final, but it's not the result that bothers me, but the way it was achieved. Italy was already losing 2-0, they already had the three changes and they were one man down for injury, and what Spain did? scored again. Not once, but twice, in a final already won.

If it's 11 vs 11 I have no problem with huge defeats (I don't really get the talks "they should have stopped, it's humiliating", well, it's also humiliating that a team decides 'Hey you guys suck so much, we'll just pass the ball around each other for the last 30 minutes'), but when bad luck puts another team one man down, to kick an already defeated enemy while they're down it's just mean to me.

So of course I hope that Italy wins... but also I hope that Spain loses bad, in a karmic way that leaves them only rage and regret, be it for a referee mistake or dumb luck with an impossible kick that finds its way to the net somehow.

If Italy wins by being the overall best team, good. If Italy wins after Spain dominated the match and at the last minute on an easy kick their goalkeeper stumbles on the laces of his own shoes, even better.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 27, 2016, 02:18:34 AM
Messi missed a PK, wow.

What's up with Messi and the National team? I always get the feeling that he is severly underperforming when playing with Argentina. Is it because they play that different from Barcelona and if it is, why can't a player of his caliber adjust to it?

Has he won anything of significance with Argentina? And now I read the he is retiring from the national team. Why? He's only 29, he can play at least the next World cup.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 27, 2016, 02:41:22 AM
Come on MM, it's been 4 years ago, sometimes this kinda thing happens but as time tells everyone in this sorta position goes on to score a lot of goals.. I thought it was pathetic aswell but Italy would've done the same.

You can tell Germany stopped trying after 7 goals against Brazil, but it was not out of respect, they simply wanted to save some energy for the finals as theres only like 3 days inbetween those matches. I know Brazil technically weren't down any men but they obvioisly had some terrible mentality issues.

I am a massive Spain supporter and I know everyone despises them, but I have nothing but respect for the Italians and no matter how the game turns out I will still be. It just gets to me because when Holland defeated Spain all I did was congratulate people and I got a lot of fuck you's in return simply because they got beaten by Spain in the 2010 finals.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 02:59:53 AM
You can tell Germany stopped trying after 7 goals against Brazil, but it was not out of respect, they simply wanted to save some energy for the finals as theres only like 3 days inbetween those matches. I know Brazil technically weren't down any men but they obvioisly had some terrible mentality issues.

Yeah, I interpreted that as well as a breakdown. They went down early of one goal, and when the second goal happened, the idea that they might as well not reach the finals crushed them and in that moment anyone could have scored three other goals, even Costa Rica.

And yet, it was the first half of a semi-final. Germany had to annihilate them, to take advantage of the moment to make sure there would not have been a dramatic come back after having rested in the interval and with an entire nation cheering for them.  I may be biased but I find that a bit different than scoring not one but two late goals in a final already won, while the other team is in 10.

Uh well, it's not that I spent 4 years bloodthirsty for revenge, but since it's again Italy vs Spain at a Euro Cup, I thought I might as well remember that incident to be even happier in case somehow Italy gets out of this match as winner.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 27, 2016, 03:13:51 AM
Yeah I understand the situation. Best of luck to you, I'll still be rooting for Spain but if Italy wins this game they're my favorites to win the tournament, I love their team.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 27, 2016, 03:47:16 AM
I frankly don't understand this grudge. Sure it's disappointing when your team loses and even more so when you have to play with one player less. But what would one expect from Spain. To stop playing? To stop trying to score? And then Italy gets a lucky break, scores a goal and maybe gets a penalty in the last minute and suddenly the sure victory goes into overtime and the momentum swings away from Spain? Unlikely but not unheard of. (Bayern losing the championsleague final against Manchester due to two last minute goals, Germany leading 4-0 against Sweden in half-time and the game ending 4-4 and if the game would have been longer Sweden would have won, just as some examples).

If I can win, I play the game to win till the end and if I can win big I play to win big.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 27, 2016, 06:14:56 AM
I'm totally neutral about first game but I think Italy will win.
In second I'm rooting for Iceland, they are my favorite team in competition right now.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 27, 2016, 08:38:09 AM
All I want from the first game is quality to meet expectations. In other words, the opposite of Portugal-Croatia
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 27, 2016, 11:29:33 AM
All I want from the first game is quality to meet expectations. In other words, the opposite of Portugal-Croatia

It's pretty quality so far, I'm enjoying it, even if I'm not a fan of both teams.

Really looking forward to England - Iceland though, I like both teams and I except some entertaining football.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 27, 2016, 11:34:04 AM
This Copa America final has been wild so far. Terrible ref, great drama.

Go Argentina!

I don't even mind that we lost the final, but losing Messi is something I can't overcome...  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on June 27, 2016, 12:00:17 PM
Messi hasn't been amazing in Argentina though. Plus there's great coverage on the attacking side. With players like Aguero and Higuain, goals will be scored.

Great that Italy won!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 27, 2016, 12:13:41 PM
Yes Italy deserved it and I'm very happy for them. Great team win and very entertaining.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: The Trooper on June 27, 2016, 12:16:58 PM
Italy played tactics at its best. Loved it! ;D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 12:22:54 PM
Yeeeeeaaaaahhh Italy won!!! the dream goes on!!!

The European Champions are gone. The World Champions are next!!!  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 27, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
Between Belgium and Spain, no one has been as impressive as Italy has against top competition. Germany should be the toughest of the lot, of course, but it's still mighty impressive, and all before The semis
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
Yeah, the final will be anticlimatic. Either a massive victory from Italy / Germany / France / England, or these matches will wear the giants down and Belgium, Wales or Portugal will win.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 27, 2016, 12:32:03 PM
I agree, Italy is definitely my favorite right now. Great game and it was exciting until the very end :metal still, can't help but feel a bit disappointed, especially in the first half where Spain were an absolute mess.

Germany vs. Italy is going to be fucking great.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 27, 2016, 12:57:00 PM
Messi hasn't been amazing in Argentina though. Plus there's great coverage on the attacking side. With players like Aguero and Higuain, goals will be scored.

Great that Italy won!

First of all Messi has been outstanding with Argentina, he hasn't been able to reach his Barcelona level but then again, he's team mates are not at the same level so it's not surprising.
And regarding Higuain, he's missed clear goals in the last 3 finals we've played, he's one of the main reasons Argentina din't win any of those. And Agüero is another guy that's brilliant in his team but doesn't achieve as much in the national team.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 27, 2016, 01:09:06 PM
Fuck, I miss the first five minutes of the game and it's 1-1 already. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
Fuck, I miss the first five minutes of the game and it's 1-1 already. :facepalm:

Impressive Iceland comeback! 4 minutes in they go down because of a penalty, they should all be "Damn, it's already over, it was fun while it lasted" and instead they equalize two minutes later  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 27, 2016, 01:20:09 PM
This game just makes my day what the fuck. I always enjoy seeing Joe Hart fuck up but it's even better when Iceland get a goal because of it.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 27, 2016, 01:50:10 PM
Messi hasn't been amazing in Argentina though. Plus there's great coverage on the attacking side. With players like Aguero and Higuain, goals will be scored.

Great that Italy won!

First of all Messi has been outstanding with Argentina, he hasn't been able to reach his Barcelona level but then again, he's team mates are not at the same level so it's not surprising.
And regarding Higuain, he's missed clear goals in the last 3 finals we've played, he's one of the main reasons Argentina din't win any of those. And Agüero is another guy that's brilliant in his team but doesn't achieve as much in the national team.

Yeah I agree. While he might have missed the crucial penalty last night, Messi has consistently been very good for Argentina. I hope he reconsiders
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on June 27, 2016, 02:53:06 PM
Nice game by Iceland and more or less dreadful game by Englang. Glad to see Iceland going through, hopefully they can win some more games. I'll be rooting for them.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2016, 02:56:15 PM
Massively epic episode of Game of Thrones!!!!

Italy defeats Spain!!!

Iceland defeats England!!!

This day will go down in history  :metal  :metal  :metal

I'm so happy for Iceland!!!! England has a double brexit, from the EU and from the Euro Cup  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on June 27, 2016, 02:57:13 PM
Fuck yes Iceland! I only caught the last ten minutes or so, but I'm super happy for Iceland.

Now if they manage to take out the hosts, that would be fucking amazing.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 27, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
I'm so happy for Iceland!!!!

Second time in a week that England is out of the Euro....
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on June 27, 2016, 03:28:26 PM
England are absolutely abysmal as a football team. And no manager on the planet could possibly make them gel as a TEAM and play well. It's a relief that they're eliminated, as it is with every tournament they play in.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on June 27, 2016, 04:00:01 PM
I'll be very sad if that really is the last we see of Messi on the international level. With that being said, I understand that a large portion of the Argentinian support has been very harsh on him for a while now, undeservingly, and I don't blame him for wanting to let go.


England are absolutely abysmal as a football team. And no manager on the planet could possibly make them gel as a TEAM and play well. It's a relief that they're eliminated, as it is with every tournament they play in.

Agree with all but the bold. Surely there's a large number of managers out there that would've prepared that group of guys better than Roy Hodgson. After the abysmal first half, he made almost no attempt at all to change things up. Jack Whilshire? Who only played one game the entire season?? Same old Wayne Rooney? Raheem Sterling?!? Seriously?

He looked bewildered and without any confidence on the sideline, and has for a long time. The team sucked, yes, but the manager could've been so much better.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 01:23:21 AM
I must say that the enlarged format was calling for very poor teams to show up, but all the debutants fared well. Let's see them:

Albania - almost managed to make it through as one of the best 3rd ones, didn't succeed.
Iceland - They're among the best 8 and they defeated England.
Northern Ireland - Reached the round of 16.
Slovakia - Reached the round of 16.
Wales - Among the best 8.

Not bad for a first time, overall!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Nekov on June 28, 2016, 06:28:12 AM
I'll be very sad if that really is the last we see of Messi on the international level. With that being said, I understand that a large portion of the Argentinian support has been very harsh on him for a while now, undeservingly, and I don't blame him for wanting to let go.

Well, there's a portion of the support that still criticizes him but now most people support him. This thing about him leaving the national team has almost become a matter of state.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 28, 2016, 08:34:08 AM
Well holy cow Iceland, very well done!

Here's a fun fact: 99,8% of the population on Iceland followed the game yesterday which means ruffly 650 people did not see it.  :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2016, 10:01:11 AM
Yeah, I joked to myself when they announced on TV that there were 7000 Iceland supporters at the stadium so I was like "Do they actually have 7000 people in Iceland?"  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 01, 2016, 11:57:15 AM
Last night Poland against Portugal wasn't very exciting to be honest. I regret watching it actually, I'd rather got some sleep instead.

But now it's a weekend and my most anticipated game is happening today, Belgium - Wales. This is going to be good, hopefully. What are your predictions?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 01, 2016, 12:02:48 PM
I hate saying this, but last night Pepe was on fire, man of the match easily.

For some reason I sympathize with the Portuguese but they've been pretty terrible this tournament to be honest, should've gone out in the groups.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 01, 2016, 12:04:16 PM
I hate saying this, but last night Pepe was on fire, man of the match easily.

For some reason I sympathize with the Portuguese but they've been pretty terrible this tournament to be honest, should've gone out in the groups.

Portugal is probably my least favourite team remaining in the tournament right now. And I was pretty sympathetic to them when the tournament started. Their football just seems so dull these days.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2016, 02:43:18 PM
GO WALES!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 01, 2016, 02:56:07 PM
God save the Welsh
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 01, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
Now I want a Wales - Iceland in the final, I would give up on the dream of Italy winning for that  :metal
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 01, 2016, 03:07:49 PM
What the fuck?

Don't know what to be more hyped about, Wales going through or Belgium being eliminated.

So I missed this game, how did both teams perform?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 02, 2016, 04:48:19 AM
Belgium started strong but slacked off when they got 0-1 ahead. This allowed Wales to start playing and get into the game.
Once they had the upper hand and their defence settled, the Welsh just grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and never let go.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 02, 2016, 12:37:51 PM
So, it's Italy vs Germany again, a most memorable match for any italian!

I grew up learning about these historical matches: World Cup 1970, the "match of the century", Italy defeating Germany 4-3 in overtime... and in 1982 Italy winning again in the final, becoming world champions. And I witnessed myself two other glorious nights, the World Cup 2006 seminifinals where Italy scored 2 goals at the last minutes of overtime, and last Euro Cup when they defeated again Germany in a semifinal. Each time it's like "We can't always be lucky" and each time, Italy defeats Germany!  :metal

Furthermore for me it's almost a derby... as I said before in the thread, I love Germany. Like, REALLY love Germany, their landscapes, their cities, a lot of bands, their architecture, I have friends there and I've been there several times etc... I'm just in love with that nation, I would love to live there. I even have a medium sized Germany flag, I don't have an italian one that big. But still, it's not that I'm torn over which team to root for... on the contrary, in this occasion I'm 100% behind Italy and against Germany! You know when your older brother defends you from other dudes, and yet picks on you because he's your big brother and since he loves you and he's family he feels like he "deserves" to have fun with you? same messy logic for me when it comes to football, I love Germany so much that in this one occasion I feel entitled to "hate" them and to gladly bathe in their sorrow and drink their tears in case of their defeat  :metal and then for the next match I'll just come back to support them  :biggrin:

Of course I wish that this is gonna be Germany's last match in this Euro Cup, and if that won't be the case, I will seriously start rooting for a Wales vs Iceland final. Wales actually may get there, Portugal is in the semifinals basically having always equalized ffs!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
I'm so. Fucking. Ready. For this.

Sorry MM, I'm all for Germany in this game.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 02, 2016, 02:39:24 PM
That handsball must be one of the - no - the most stupid mistake of the entire tournament, glad Italy are back in the game but goddamn Boateng what the hell was he thinking?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 02, 2016, 02:50:49 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not allowed to stop while taking a PK as Bonucci did :-\
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2016, 03:34:40 PM
Eh... I really hoped it won't come down to this. Now it's the lottery again.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 02, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
Damn, that Schweinsteiger penalty kick was pathetic. :facepalm:

Glad that Germany won, but I wasn't too impressed with the team.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 02, 2016, 03:52:34 PM
GODDAMN HOW I HATE PENALTIES.

It's a wonder we even won a World Cup this way.

Uh well, Italy had Spain, Germany and France on their path and out of the three, if defeats has to be, it's far better than to lose once again to Spain or to our neighbours France.... and statistically speaking, the match will be registered as a draw so *technically* Germany still never defeated us in official matches, but FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU  >:( :censored
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 02, 2016, 04:01:02 PM
Damn, that Schweinsteiger penalty kick was pathetic. :facepalm:
And like.. 5 others? I laughed fucking hard at that Zaza dude's PK, he got subbed in like the 120th minute just so he could try his luck with a penalty. Then he continues to do the most idiotic little run before shooting wide. :lol I believe that's also his only appearance apart from the Ireland game.

Buffon somehow managed to guess the right direction on every single penalty IIRC, that's pretty impressive, too bad the ball slipped right underneath on the last one but it was a pretty tense penalty shootout (mostly because both teams fucked up hard).

Not terribly excited about Germany but they were fun to watch at times.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 01:02:53 AM
Damn, that Schweinsteiger penalty kick was pathetic. :facepalm:
And like.. 5 others? I laughed fucking hard at that Zaza dude's PK, he got subbed in like the 120th minute just so he could try his luck with a penalty. Then he continues to do the most idiotic little run before shooting wide. :lol I believe that's also his only appearance apart from the Ireland game.

Hahaha, yeah. :lol I singled out Schweinsteiger because his kick could've been the deciding one, but yes, plenty of failure in this shootout.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2016, 03:04:04 AM
It was a competition about who was sucking more, embarassing really  :lol

Now I seriously hope there will be a Wales vs Iceland final. But if France goes through, I'll still root for Germany. And in case of Germany vs Wales in the final well, anything goes really, I won't hold a grudge against the germans for this defeat but a debutant winning the Euro Cup in face of the world champions would be glorious.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 03:16:35 AM
I just rewatched Zaza penalty kick and :lolpalm: .

Yeah, I'd take either Wales - Iceland or Wales - Germany. Seriously hope Portugal won't make it. Also seriously hope Iceland will win today, I don't think it'll happen but I can hope.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2016, 04:17:35 AM
I think too that realistically Iceland's run has come to an end, but remember Greece in 2004? Each match everyone would assume "Ok, this is it", and yet they won. I agree, one can hope!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on July 03, 2016, 06:42:12 AM
Holy shit that was nerve-wrecking. Some really shitty PK's from either side - Zaza, Müller, Pellé and Schweinsteiger come to mind - but some great saves by Neuer too.

But honestly, without Boateng doing the most stupid that he's done this tournament, the whole thing would have been unnecessary, because Italy were never really a danger in front of the German goal. And Bonucci's PK was pretty damn close to the line of what I would consider acceptable with regards to run-ups under the new rules.

Anyway, glad that Germany went through even though both teams were pretty evenly matched. Still rooting for Iceland today.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 06:45:09 AM
I'm really not sure what was more hilarious, Zaza's PK with his "most idiotic little run before shooting wide" or Pellé with his cocky hand-gestures to Neuer before missing badly. We should have a poll. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 03, 2016, 07:08:25 AM
I hate doing this because I love Iceland but I'm actually starting to root for France to go to finals now since I'm going to France for a weekend and it just so happens to be the weekend of the finals. How awesome would it be to be in the home country the night that they win the euro's? Not going to happen anyway but one can dream.. :corn
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 03, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
I think I aged at least ten years watching last night's game. Not a great game but very exciting because of the suspense. I think Germany deserved the win and overall they were the better team, but then again I'm biased.

And dear Boateng, what were you thinking?

And wtf was up with the first penalties of each team? Three out of the first five missed on both teams?

But I'm glad that Hector made the decisive goal. He's the only national player that came out of Cologne for a long time, my hometown and favorite football team.

And now I think Germany comes out of this match stronger than before, I don't see anyone defeating them in this tournament, although a Wales vs. Iceland final would also be cool.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: RoeDent on July 03, 2016, 10:50:12 AM
What a ridiculous run-up from Zaza last night! Guy comes on as a sub specifically to take a penalty in the shootout, and his ends up being the worst miss of all. Goalkeeper probably could have gone for a quick pint in the time it took Zaza to run up to the ball!

And as one of the few Welshmen round here (if there even are any others)...GO WALES!!! Friday night was absolutely EPIC! Three magnificent goals to knock out the No. 2 ranked side in the world.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 03, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
How awesome would it be to be in the home country the night that they win the euro's? Not going to happen anyway but one can dream.. :corn
I actually was in France 1998 when they won the world cup. I remember it so vividly because I was in Riom-ès-Montagnes and the town just exploded 2 mins after the game. Pretty epic experience.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Scorpion on July 03, 2016, 01:22:09 PM
What I found most ridiculous yesterday was the way that all the strikers/midfielders basically missed and all the defenders actually made their PK's. Like... what's up with that?

And France is up two goals! Still hoping that Iceland bounces back, but I think this is the end of the road for them. :\
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 03, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
To me the most ridiculous thing was all the stupid run-ups, it was not just Zaza, but literally like half the time you could tell from the run-up that it would be a bad kick, and I think only one of those bad PK's made it into the goal.

How awesome would it be to be in the home country the night that they win the euro's? Not going to happen anyway but one can dream.. :corn
I actually was in France 1998 when they won the world cup. I remember it so vividly because I was in Riom-ès-Montagnes and the town just exploded 2 mins after the game. Pretty epic experience.
That's awesome dude. One of my friends was in Germany for the weekend, 2 years ago, with the sole reason of being amongst German people during the world cup final and it was supposedly very awesome.

Looks like the chances of a Wales - France final are increasing! Germany will be a bitch to beat though and I might still prefer their team over the French even though I want France in the final. I'm glad my Icelandic friend is currently.. well, in Iceland, because he's a bit of a sore loser and a bitch to be around after this kind of thing. :lol
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2016, 01:49:02 PM
France leading 4-0 overtime? well, that escalated quickly.

Screw the fact that they kicked Italy out, I'll still be rooting for Germany next match, Iceland doesn't deserve to be humiliated!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
Yeah, well, I think Iceland is done.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zantera on July 03, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
The only comfort we can get from this is that France won't get past Germany anyways
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2016, 02:45:34 PM
Damn, but I love how Iceland is playing. Got nothing to lose and just keeps trying to score, and it works.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Zoom E on July 03, 2016, 06:25:39 PM

And as one of the few Welshmen round here (if there even are any others)...GO WALES!!! Friday night was absolutely EPIC! Three magnificent goals to knock out the No. 2 ranked side in the world.

I'm Welsh but living in Canada. The Wales victory over Belgium was an absolute thrill. Have to take the day off work on Wednesday to watch the semi-final. I can't wait!
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 03, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
Ah this sucks. I knew Iceland's streak had to end sometime and that they probably wouldn't make it to the finals, but to go down with five goals is hard. Still props to them for coming this far  :tup
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 06, 2016, 07:13:42 AM
Ready for Portugal - Wales today! Rooting for Wales, obviously. Luckily I'm on vacation so I don't have to worry about staying late and getting up early.

Will you guys be watching?
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 06, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Nah I'll just st in my room, turn off the lights and listen to some doom metal

'f course I'll be watching :metal I'm kinda neutral on this one, I like the portuguese lineup but theyve just been so boring this whole tournament, and I'll always have a softspot for underdogs like Wales but at the same time I want France's potential enemies to be the weakest possible one and it seems like that team is Portugal right now.

And if it's going to be Germany in the finals (most likely) I'm definitely hoping for Wales to win the whole tournament.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 06, 2016, 07:35:59 AM
I hope I find the time. I'm not really interested in both teams but it's the semi-final, so hopefully it will be fun. Rooting for Wales because Ronaldo sucks   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 06, 2016, 07:56:07 AM
Iceland will be forever the fairytale of this tournament, but let's see if Wales becomes an actual reality!

Rooting for Wales because they're underdogs and because Portugal equalized 4 matches out of 5, at this point I want Wales to win, also in England's face.

I would be still rooting for Germany, but they kicked Italy out so I won't cry over their eventual defeat in the final, which I still hope they'll reach 'cause France can't just win every time they host a tournament  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 06, 2016, 01:47:18 PM
Really boring game so far to be honest.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 06, 2016, 02:52:09 PM
And now we know who's gonna lose the final.

I really can't see anyone else than Germany or France winning.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Elite on July 06, 2016, 02:57:48 PM
I hope wholeheartedly that you're right. The Portuguese don't deserve to win this in the slightest. What a fucking disaster this tournament is.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 06, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
Could've and most likely should've been at least 3 (talking about that DREADFUL Joao Mario rebound) and maybe even 4 goals from Portugal, some poor finishing in the second half. That said, I think Portugal were easily the better team here but I'm favouring whatever team is facing them in the finals.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 06, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
I hope wholeheartedly that you're right. The Portuguese don't deserve to win this in the slightest. What a fucking disaster this tournament is.

Thousand times this.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 06, 2016, 11:59:50 PM
Reminds me of the world championship in 2002 where Germany played like shit but somehow reached the final, where they put up at least a decent performance against Brazil but still lost 2-0.

Alright Portugal, your time is up now ;). Hoping they play against Germany because Germany always played good against them in the last tournaments.


Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Train of Naught on July 07, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
So how about that fantasy team thing? I've lost interest ages ago and I think I'm not the only one because none of the contenders ever mentions it anymore :lol

I'm mostly neutral on today's game but since I'll be in France during the final I think it would be awesome if they would make it. Special regards to Griezmann who has been my favorite player of the past season, goddamn, what a service he's been to Atleti. Seems like he's picking it up again in this final stage of the tournament too, with a great game against Iceland.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 07:55:55 AM
So how about that fantasy team thing? I've lost interest ages ago and I think I'm not the only one because none of the contenders ever mentions it anymore :lol

I'm mostly neutral on today's game but since I'll be in France during the final I think it would be awesome if they would make it. Special regards to Griezmann who has been my favorite player of the past season, goddamn, what a service he's been to Atleti. Seems like he's picking it up again in this final stage of the tournament too, with a great game against Iceland.

I'm making transfers and substitutions every round, so I'm up to date with that Fantasy thing, but I looked at Onno's team and he still has some players from Belgium and whatnot. But overall, it's not that fun when there are only four players participating, I guess.

I planned to go into a pub to watch the final game, but I might cancel these plans if France wins today. I have no interest in France vs Portugal finals.
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Onno on July 07, 2016, 09:16:03 AM
Yeah, I'm having exams in a little under two weeks so I totally forgot about it  :mehlin
Title: Re: The Official Football (Soccer) Thread (v. It's starting again!)
Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
And you're still in the lead! :lol
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Post by: Tomislav95 on July 07, 2016, 10:39:00 AM
And I wasn't paying attention so I substituted few players more than I was allowed and got negative points :lol and I made some bad decisions, too. Still believing in Muller tho.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 07, 2016, 12:51:37 PM
Well, with the least enthusiasm possible, go Germany. When it comes to football, like it happens basically with every neighbour, be it national, regional or a derby between two teams of the same city, Italy and France hate each other so my dislike for the french football team still comes before the resentement against Germany for having kicked Italy out  :biggrin:
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Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 01:50:47 PM
You know, that's probably my emotions talking, but that was the most bullshit penalty kick on this Euro I've witnessed.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 07, 2016, 01:55:29 PM
Can German players please stop jumping into balls with their hands in the air, thanks.
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Post by: Elite on July 07, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
Are you seriously proud of this, France!? After that abominable first half you played, the best you can do is a goddamn penalty kick? What the ffuck this tournament sucks
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Post by: Elite on July 07, 2016, 02:28:11 PM
Jesus Christ this referee is terrible
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Post by: Train of Naught on July 07, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
You know, that's probably my emotions talking, but that was the most bullshit penalty kick on this Euro I've witnessed.
Why? It kinda sucks for germany but it was just an oddly unnecessary move by Schweinsteiger.
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Post by: Elite on July 07, 2016, 02:32:15 PM
Alright game over
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Post by: Evermind on July 07, 2016, 02:39:21 PM
Jesus Christ this referee is terrible

Yup.

I didn't see any hand-play or whatever it's called, but even if it happened, I think you should've let it slip so you won't break the game with that penalty kick in the end of the first half. It wasn't something too outrageous. I'm all for "let the teams play and decide the winner themselves" and all that; and this penalty kick was the opposite of that.
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Post by: Elite on July 07, 2016, 02:45:18 PM
I agree with all that.
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Post by: Scorpion on July 07, 2016, 02:49:42 PM
As much as this game annoyed me, I'm probably still rooting for France in the final, just because I detest Portugal.
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Post by: Elite on July 07, 2016, 02:53:46 PM
I detest Portugal as well, but this French team isn't worthy of the finals either.
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Post by: Train of Naught on July 07, 2016, 02:54:02 PM
I'm super stoked!! My favorite player of last seaso