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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Ravenheart on December 30, 2010, 01:44:29 AM
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Ladies, ladies, ladies, Black Swan is in the hizzouse. Show your appreciation for the best film of 2010. Great script, great story, great atmosphere, great themes, great acting, great visuals, and great lesbian sex scenes.
"I was perfect."
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scenes.
There was more than that one I found on the Internet on a lonely night in last week?
Looking forward to seeing this though, it really does look interesting.
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Great fucking movie. I may or may not have a slight obsession with Natalie Portman... but with that aside... it was fantastic. THE ONLY THING I HAVE AGAINST IT IS the fact that it seems that they had no money in the budget for a freaking steady cam...
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Please post Spoiler Tags in here. UK release is 21st Jan :corn
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i is not spoilin nothin
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It was all a dream, and Natalie Portman's character is actually a bi-curious man with a coke addiction.
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i is not spoilin nothin
I was talking to everyone, not you specifically :hat
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Best. Film. Of. 2010.
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never heard of it.
seriously.
blame canada
Meanwhile.....the World Juniors are on.
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Good movie. I really appreciated its outline of the truth about performing artists. It's a cutthroat world and we often end up pushing ourselves too hard for perfection.
Sweet visuals too! Oh, and Kunis on top of Portman... GOLDEN!!
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I remember the trailer a while back, looks really good. Hmm.
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This movie is seriously excellent. So well done, keeps you on the edge of your seat. You care about the characters because there is SO MUCH development in the short time the film has. Fantastic. It was better than I thought it was going to be and I knew going into it that it was going to be a great film. The cinematography was pretty cool and it had some really really great visual effects that were not all up in your face, but subtle for the most part to add tot he film, not distract you from it.
The performances of the actors were great. Especially the woman playing Portman's mom. This is definitely a must see movie. I can't think of anything better that came out in 2010. Or maybe even since Inglorious Bastards came out.
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The best film of 2010 for me. I love weird, trippy movies and this was the weirdest and trippiest I have seen since Aronofsky's Requiem For a Dream. This was my favorite film in a long time. It might even beat out Inglourius Basterds for best film since There Will Be Blood. (excluding In Bruges because less than like 1% of people know that exists.) This will probably not win anything at the Oscars but it will get nominated for a lot of things. From my diminutive experience, it seems that the Oscars are not into movies like this. Natalie Portman, Mila Kunis(fuck yes!!), and Aronofsky will all get nods in the best actress, supporting actress, and best director respectively. I would love to see this win Best Picture because it is about time the Academy pics movies for the sick fucks like me, but sadly, they will probably give it to The Social Network, and if they don't give it to them, they will give it to The King's Speech which was also an amazing film and is probably a 9.5/10 while Black Swan is a 9.8/10. I would be happy with The King's Speech taking the Best Picture Oscar.
Ok...everybody...go see The King's Speech.
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LOL numbers.
Black Swan is definitely amazing! My second favorite film I've seen this year and yet another reason why Aronofsky is one of my favorite directors!
Everyone should see this!
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Since Aronofsky is my favorite director I've been waiting for this to come out for like eight months and it still blew away expectations. Best movie since Lord of the Rings.
{Spoilers}
I want a poster of the shot where she's on the stage right after the black swan dance and her shadows behind her has wings soooooo fucking much.
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I do think it's getting a little bit overrated by people, I'd say 8.5 or something out of 10. Great film, but the ending did frustrate me a little.
Also, there actually wasn't very much Mila Kunis in it! *rages*
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Kunis won't get nominated in all likelihood, but Natalie, Aronofsky and the picture well. Fantastic movie, and weird as hell
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Kunis wasn't bad by any stretch, she was just kind of....normal Kunis.
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It looked like it had a cool story and some cool moments, but I likely will not see it. (1) Natalie Portman...yuck! (2) Lesbianism...double yuck.
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(1) Natalie Portman...yuck! (2) Lesbianism...double yuck.
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It looked like it had a cool story and some cool moments, but I likely will not see it. (1) Natalie Portman...yuck! (2) Lesbianism...double yuck.
Regarding point number 2, it's really not a big part of the movie as so many guys are making it out to be.
Regarding point number 1, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!
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Come on Bosky, don't be that way. Embrace it.
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Bosk, its really worth seeing. Wait for it to come out on DVD. It really is a great film.
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Someone go find a .gif of the lesbian sex scene and post it thousands of times for Bosk to embrace.
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Someone go find a .gif of the lesbian sex scene and post it thousands of times for Bosk to embrace.
I honestly have no idea why everyone is making such a big deal out of it. There's no nudity and it's like a minute long or something.
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Natalie Portman? I need to see this.
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Saw it for the second time last night and loved it more. Still trying to make sense of everything.
(2) Lesbianism...double yuck.
??? ???
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I will never, ever, ever understand why one actor/actress can be the cause for someone denying themselves to see such a great film.
And yeah, the lesbian stuff lasts for, like, 30 seconds. And it's perfectly relevant to the plot. But I guess most people will just dismiss it as being there solely for shock and titillation purposes.... Too bad.
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I will never, ever, ever understand why one actor/actress can be the cause for someone denying themselves to see such a great film.
Nicolas Cage.
(Except for his role in Adaptation, he was pretty good in that movie.)
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I just watched Black Swan and I absolutely loved it.
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I will never, ever, ever understand why one actor/actress can be the cause for someone denying themselves to see such a great film.
Nicolas Cage.
(Except for his role in Adaptation, he was pretty good in that movie.)
Even so, I'll take a spectacular film that has one or two actors I didn't care for in a particular flick I saw a couple of years ago over a shitty film with actors that usually have outstanding roles any day.
No character or actor is ever more important than the story and their character arcs.
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If you don't like the lead actor, chances are you won't like the main character. The acting must be good to get you involved in the film's story. So I can fully understand why some actors ruin movies for people. Acting is incredibly important in film. Actually, I'd say it is the most important part of film. Because you can have a shitty story, but great acting might bring it up. You could have a phenomenal story, but if the acting isn't there, no one will give a shit. The acting has to pull it off.
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*shrug* I still say it was good but not "zomg amazing". The Wrestler was way better, and I'm guessing/hoping I'll be able to say the same about True Grit and/or The King's Speech and/or The Fighter by the time I get around to seeing all of those.
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*shrug* I still say it was good but not "zomg amazing". The Wrestler was way better, and I'm guessing/hoping I'll be able to say the same about True Grit and/or The King's Speech and/or The Fighter by the time I get around to seeing all of those.
Hm......
No.
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If you don't like the lead actor, chances are you won't like the main character. The acting must be good to get you involved in the film's story. So I can fully understand why some actors ruin movies for people. Acting is incredibly important in film. Actually, I'd say it is the most important part of film. Because you can have a shitty story, but great acting might bring it up. You could have a phenomenal story, but if the acting isn't there, no one will give a shit. The acting has to pull it off.
Mm, I guess. Even so, I think a highly heralded film is still worth a shot, even if you can't stand the actor that plays the main character. Films are also about the feel, style, atmosphere, and visuals--much more than just the script and acting.
I'm not saying everyone will like this film, but an actor shouldn't be the primary reason for hating/not seeing it. At least, I don't think it should be :angel:
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I agree it shouldn't stop people from seeing it. As long as its getting great reviews and seems to be a good movie. The exception being Nick Cage films lolz.
I just know that bad acting can really really bring a movie down. I graduated with a film degree, and having to watch a ton of really bad student films, you see what the difference is between hiring real actors to be in your film and getting your roommates and friends to be in it. Acting carries a lot of the weight (as it should). Cinematography helps for sure, but it's kinda like icing on the cake. As long as the cinematography is technically correct and the story is solid, plus good acting, you still have potential for a killer film.
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Saw it tonight and I think I kinda have to agree with this…
I do think it's getting a little bit overrated by people, I'd say 8.5 or something out of 10. Great film, but the ending did frustrate me a little.
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I heard this was something a little like a live action version of Perfect Blue. Has anyone seen both films that could let me know how accurate that is?
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Just saw it a few hours ago. It was delightful! Seriously psychotic, amazing, thrilling, all that jazz. Probably my 2nd favorite of the year.
Inception is #1 for me, I'm the biggest Nolan fan.
....and yes, Portman and Kunis are both smokin hot!!!!
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It looked like it had a cool story and some cool moments, but I likely will not see it. (1) Natalie Portman...yuck! (2) Lesbianism...double yuck.
The atmosphere and psychological story was amazing I thought.
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This movie was really good, both Portman and Kunis are hot, so that scene was like... :eek
But it's not like it made it to my "top5 movies ever" or something.
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Saw it last night. Good movie.
And that sex scene lasted at least a good 2 minutes, and it was intense (and hot). Luckily the girl I saw it with went to the bathroom a minute before there was a hint of it going to happen, so I got to watch it without the awkwardness! When she came back, she asked me what she missed, and I casually said "Oh, some lesbian sex, you know."
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Saw it last night. Good movie.
And that sex scene lasted at least a good 2 minutes, and it was intense (and hot). Luckily the girl I saw it with went to the bathroom a minute before there was a hint of it going to happen, so I got to watch it without the awkwardness! When she came back, she asked me what she missed, and I casually said "Oh, some lesbian sex, you know."
I'd imagine it would be fairly awkward for her to see you whip it out during those 2 minutes.
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This movie was awesome. I loved how the camera work and the fact that even though she could go wherever she wanted (at home, at work, etc.) she never was in security.
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Someone go find a .gif of the lesbian sex scene and post it thousands of times for Bosk to embrace.
I honestly have no idea why everyone is making such a big deal out of it. There's no nudity and it's like a minute long or something.
The same reason Blue Valentine was initially rated NC-17 in the US (while being rated 14A throughout most of Canada). The American media is perpetually 11 years old when it comes to anything at all sexual, so in the US, sex=controversy.
It also makes the ads for Blue Valentine (which are obviously aimed at US audiences) absolutely silly here. "Uncut! Uncensored! Rated 14A."
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I saw Black Swan a few weeks ago, but I never commented on it. It was one of the best psych-thrillers I've seen, and one of the most disturbing to me because things involving nails or skin freak me out. As a chronic nail/cuticle-biter, the part where Nina pulls back the skin on her finger is literally the most agonizing thing I've seen in a film. The atmosphere and darkness burnt this film into my mind for days after I saw it.
The Wrestler remains my favorite Aronofsky, though!
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Perhaps I'm way too into this movie, but I just bought the soundtrack to the Swan Lake ballet. I didn't realize it was 2 and half hours long, which makes me wonder how Mila Kunis's character had any chance whatsoever to just jump in at the last second and know all the parts? but anyway the soundtrack really good.
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*SPOILER*
Was nina's mother... Abusing her or was that part of here crazyness?
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Nothing sexual...just psychological.
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Oh thank god, this movie made me feel really uneasy :-\
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*SPOILER*
Was nina's mother... Abusing her or was that part of here crazyness?
A lot of people believe there was sexual abuse. It's not clear. I don't have a conviction either way, but I can certainly see the possibility.
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It was all a dream, and Natalie Portman's character is actually a bi-curious man with a coke addiction.
Directed by M. Night Shyamalan
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Perhaps I'm way too into this movie, but I just bought the soundtrack to the Swan Lake ballet. I didn't realize it was 2 and half hours long, which makes me wonder how Mila Kunis's character had any chance whatsoever to just jump in at the last second and know all the parts? but anyway the soundtrack really good.
Well if the parts are always the same, then she should know them already - Portman's character knew them despite never having been the swan queen before.
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I really liked this movie. If it weren't for some article I read from TIME that I wouldn't have noticed that she throws up on purpose. Naďve me thought it was just the "pressure".
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Perhaps I'm way too into this movie, but I just bought the soundtrack to the Swan Lake ballet. I didn't realize it was 2 and half hours long, which makes me wonder how Mila Kunis's character had any chance whatsoever to just jump in at the last second and know all the parts? but anyway the soundtrack really good.
Well if the parts are always the same, then she should know them already - Portman's character knew them despite never having been the swan queen before.
She didn't know them already, she was practicing a lot in the movie and I'm sure more that we didn't see. From what I've read on Wikipedia it actually varries a great deal based on what group is performing it.
I really liked this movie. If it weren't for some article I read from TIME that I wouldn't have noticed that she throws up on purpose. Naďve me thought it was just the "pressure".
I don't think you missed anything, this has been debated a lot on other movie forums I've seen. But personally, I don't think she ever makes herself throw up.
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I am debating. A lot of times, I think it is just pressure, but then you realize she denies a large slice of cake from her mom. I am undecided on the issue. This movie comes out on March 29th. I think I might actually buy this one.
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How did I not find this thread eariler???
I love this movie, and once it comes out on DVDizzle I'm waiting for my next available paycheck, depositing it cept for a small sum and buying the movie.
Yeah, I plan ahead mothafucka!
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I finally got around to watching it yesterday. Good movie, even though I don't think it's as good as some people make it out to be.
People rave about the lesbian scene, but damn, the one where she thinks she's alone and pushes some buttons ... her butt in fullscreen is quite something.
And jeez, how much weight did she lose for that role?
rumborak
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Perhaps I'm way too into this movie, but I just bought the soundtrack to the Swan Lake ballet. I didn't realize it was 2 and half hours long, which makes me wonder how Mila Kunis's character had any chance whatsoever to just jump in at the last second and know all the parts? but anyway the soundtrack really good.
She wasn't jumping in at the last second, she had already been chosen as the understudy, or whatever the equivalent is called in ballet. All professional performances have understudies, so that if the lead singer/dancer/actor/whatever is injured or taken ill, they can still do the show. Both characters will have learned the parts.
People rave about the lesbian scene, but damn, the one where she thinks she's alone and pushes some buttons ... her butt in fullscreen is quite something.
That scene was also ridiculously hot, until the end of it, which properly made me jump the first time I saw it.
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Yeah that scared me alright. Lame thing about it was that I saw it at the cinema, and behind me there was this presumably 14-something year old girl watching the movie with her mother.. And she would always go "EEEEWWW" whenever something sexual happened (like when the coordinator told her that she had to touch herself).
Any sexual scene in the film was ruined because of that stupid bitch.
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So, is she dead in the end?
BTW, even though ballet doesn't phase me much usually, the black swan part in the live performance was really good.
rumborak
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I don't know.. Story-wise I think she should be dead.
Yeah, the transformation was amazing.
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I don't know, but this is my interpretation (SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY):
A lot of what we see throughout the film is either entirely in her head or at the very least exaggerated. In order to become the Black Swan, in her head she has killed someone and doesn't care, which allows her to get into the role. So my take is that she probably has cut herself or hurt herself, but that it is not nearly as bad as we see, because it is only in her head that she thinks it is that bad which allows her to become the White Swan. I have other reasons for thinking this as well: (1) She takes the shard out before she goes on stage, but the blood doesn't start gushing for ages, and (2) the others don't seem that shocked or rushed when they see that she is hurt. Now it's possible that both these factors are simply weak story-telling and acting, but considering how strong the rest of the film is in these regards, I find that to be very unlikely.
That said, it's a bit of an open ending, and was probably intended to let us make our own interpretations. But that's mine anyway.
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Yeah, the lack of massive distress also made me think that the massive bleeding was part of her distorted perception.
That said, the thing that speaks against it is that she said she was perfect. And when you look at Winona Ryder's character, she failed to be perfect, in the end because she slowly aged. So, Portman's perfection could only be complete if she died. Then, she never made a mistake.
rumborak
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SPOILERS...
*SPOILER*
Was nina's mother... Abusing her or was that part of here crazyness?
I actually accidentally came across the blog of a woman who was abused by her mother as a child, and she (and all of the people who commented) seem fairly certain based on their own experiences/knowledge about that type of abuse. They make a lot of really good points. It's a very long string of posts to read but if you get through some of it...
https://faithallen.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/black-swan-movie-about-mother-daughter-sexual-abuse/
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Watched this again tonight. Still so damn good.
I think I actually liked it more watching it again. The first time is really intense, which is awesome, but when you've already seen it, you really pick up on things you missed the first time around. Especially after having discussed it quite a bit with an entire classfull of film students.
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when you've already seen it, you really pick up on things you missed the first time around.
This is the reason I watch my favourite films several times. Everyone thinks I'm weird because what's the point in watching a movie you've already seen? But I like it a lot.
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when you've already seen it, you really pick up on things you missed the first time around.
This is the reason I watch my favourite films several times. Everyone thinks I'm weird because what's the point in watching a movie you've already seen? But I like it a lot.
It makes more sense to me then say...people reading books a second time.
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Both make just as much sense to me... but one thing that I don't get is how some people (like my roommate) can just watch a movie over and over. She's like a three-year-old who needs to see The Little Mermaid AGAIN MOMMY AGAIN!
She will watch the same cheesy romantic comedy or whatever (last time it was French Kiss and that Amanda Bynes movie about the girl pledging for the sorority) several days in a row, or sometimes even again right away. I wouldn't even want to do that with a movie I really really liked.
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Throughout my Sophomore and Junior year, I watched The Royal Tenenbaums (in parts) every night whenever I was in a remotely shit mood.
So I can understand it when used for comfort like I do with that film.