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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: toro on December 15, 2010, 10:37:11 AM
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You like Lady Gaga, I like Lady Gaga, Everyone likes Lady Gaga.
No bashing kthnx.
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She knows how to write a great catchy pop song. I actually like "Paparazzi" quite a bit. Esp. combined with "Bleed." :lol Not something I really listen to on my own free will though, just not really my style. If its on though, I won't mind and I might just sing along.
In b4 "she sucks, this is a prog forum, wtf are you doing?"
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in b4 darkes
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If someone likes her music because they actually enjoy listening to the music, then okay.
What irritates me is when (usually in person, I actually haven't seen anyone pull this here), after I politely state that her music isn't for me when asked about it, some people just don't accept that as an answer. My favorite tactic has to be 'But she's actually talented! She plays the piano!'. It doesn't change the fact that; a) That isn't reflected at all in what she has commercially released. b) I still don't enjoy anything she has released.
I will give her credit for one thing; she knows exactly what she's doing. I just really don't like what that is.
Edit: I'm not against all pop music. I'm a pretty big Michael Jackson fan.
Gaga's music, to me, just seems so empty and calculated.
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Well, when I say that she is talented, some people darkes don't accept that as an answer.
To be honest, she's actually been getting quite on my nerves recently, and I don't enjoy listening to her often anymore. But she is good at what she does, no doubt.
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I like paparazzi too, her music is really fun to listen to, but, Alejandro is Such an anoying song but I can't get it out of my head.
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I only have her first album. You know, from when she was underground.
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Back when she was all indie and what not. I was the first, everyone else just followed along.
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Back when she was all indie and what not. I was the first, everyone else just followed along.
What do you have to say about this, sonata?
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Alejandro just sounds like Madonna's La Isla Bonita to me. . .
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God, I love that woman. I could listen to her all day. And no, I'm not being facetious. I really do love her. She's the only mainstream pop artist that I absolutely love.
So yeah, I belong in this thread. Gaga = :heart
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I'm getting kinda sick of her, to be honest. Shut up and release your next album, please.
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I've heard a few songs of hers and they're quite good pop songs. I don't know much about her beyond that and some crazy outfits at awards shows, so I can't really comment on anything more.
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She has a penis.
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Doesn't matter bro
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She obviously has loads of musical/vocal talent. That's really it. She's very smart to create an awesome image to it, but I freakin' hate those songs. Doesn't touch me in any way at all. Sounds like 15 year old girly music to me.
Oh sorry no bashing.. well I like the collaboration with Beyonce a bit. I don't think Gaga has reached Beyonce level yet. 'Sweet Dreams' is actually a really cool, catchy track by Beyonce. Lighthearted, but has a cool vibe and feeling to it. Can't find that in Gaga's music.
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She has a penis.
No she doesn't. There are pictures from some award show last year where she performed. I don't feel like finding them, and they'd be questionable NSFW anyway, but a simple look shows that she doesn't have a penis.
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Also DAT ASS isn't a dude ass...
that means I'd probably hit it
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Also DAT ASS isn't a dude ass...
that means I'd probably hit it
Good to know.
I enjoy a bit of LG every now and again. I must be the only person I know who hasn't gotten tired of Bad Romance yet.
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Lady Gaga is one of the two mainstream pop artists whose songs I actually enjoy (along with some of Katy Perry's stuff). I find her music very catchy and enjoyable without being annoying - the kind of music I wouldn't mind hearing at a party or a club or something. And considering how I dislike about 99% of pop music, that's really saying something.
My band is currently considering doing a metal cover of one of her songs for an upcoming show (probably Poker Face, but we'll see).
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I heard Alejandro during a party recently and I actually thought it was a good pop song. Focusing on catchiness, of course, but it wasn't badly crafted at all.
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Posting in a gaga thread
This is one of the mainstream singers I actually like
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She's written some really great pop songs, but I'm not into it. Then again, I haven't given it too much of a chance, so that may or may not change
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in b4 darkes
Let's just say I was here and leave it at that. :lol
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The chorus to Bad Romance is the best mainstream pop chorus to be written in a very long time.
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I absolutely enjoy Lady Gaga and not afraid to admit it hahaha
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I enjoy the Lady. "Speechless" is my fav song of hers
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Thread bump! So what do people think of her new album?
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Haven't got it yet :(
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Thread bump! So what do people think of her new album?
I enjoyed it more than is healthy for my snobbery.
You and I is a fantastic rock song, proves that she really can write good songs.
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Posting in a gaga thread
This is one of the mainstream singers I actually like
half a year later and I'm sick of her
lol opinions
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Bad Romance is awesome
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I haven't heard anything from the new album yet. But she's still good. I enjoy a bit of Gaga when it comes on in someone else's apartment.
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I like a few of her songs. Some of them are really catchy.
I have no plans to hear her new album, but some of my friends who have listened to it say it's pretty mediocre. I wouldn't know, though.
I think her new act is ridiculous. It comes off as very disingenuous--out there for the sake of out there.
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Lady Gaga is everything that is wrong with pop culture
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Lady Gaga is everything that is wrong with pop culture
Explain.
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Lady Gaga is everything that is wrong with pop culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qel9YgtkZtY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qel9YgtkZtY)
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Lady Gaga is everything that is wrong with pop culture
Explain.
Errrhem, it's very simple, really. Look at everything wrong with popular culture. You'll soon realize that you're looking directly at Lady Gaga.
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Explain. What is wrong with pop culture.
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Lady Gaga is everything that is wrong with pop culture
Explain.
Errrhem, it's very simple, really. Look at everything wrong with popular culture. You'll soon realize that you're looking directly at Lady Gaga.
......
Alright.
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MemberHayden, ladies and gentlemen.
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Explain. What is wrong with pop culture.
This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
has almost 200x as many views as this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIM5M6FmnmY
That's what's wrong with pop culture.
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Why do you even care?
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Explain. What is wrong with pop culture.
This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
has almost 200x as many views as this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIM5M6FmnmY
That's what's wrong with pop culture.
Damn now I've gotta click the first link 199 more times to keep the ratio
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
Exactly.
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Explain. What is wrong with pop culture.
This video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESGLojNYSo
has almost 200x as many views as this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIM5M6FmnmY
That's what's wrong with pop culture.
Damn now I've gotta click the first link 199 more times to keep the ratio
Lol H. If you'd take the time to listen to the new album you'd be surprised by how much you'll like it compared to how much you'll think you'll like it.
Just my two cents. Seriously, I hadn't heard the three singles from the new album, but when I heard them they were the three worst songs on the album.
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
It's not that. It's that most people are too lazy to hunt for artists and bands like PT or Opeth. They are basically spoonfed artists like Gaga and told that she's one of the most talented artists in the world when she really isn't. Our music deserves just as much attention but it doesn't get it because of corporate greed and manipulation of the masses.
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
It's not that. It's that most people are too lazy to hunt for artists and bands like PT or Opeth. They are basically spoonfed artists like Gaga and told that she's one of the most talented artists in the world when she really isn't. Our music deserves just as much attention but it doesn't get it because of corporate greed and manipulation of the masses.
Even if Opeth and PT were on the radio and MTV or whatever, most people still won't like them. No matter the amount of publicity, most people will still pick pop music over prog metal.
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
It's not that. It's that most people are too lazy to hunt for artists and bands like PT or Opeth. They are basically spoonfed artists like Gaga and told that she's one of the most talented artists in the world when she really isn't. Our music deserves just as much attention but it doesn't get it because of corporate greed and manipulation of the masses.
Or maybe they just legitimately enjoy Gaga's music and don't concern themselves with whether or not the big bad evil greedy lying music corporations are telling them to enjoy her material.
All you're really doing is reinforcing Drew's point about you acting like the smug music elitist that thinks he's on a higher plateau than others because you listen to a few bands that aren't played frequently on the radio.
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
It's not that. It's that most people are too lazy to hunt for artists and bands like PT or Opeth. They are basically spoonfed artists like Gaga and told that she's one of the most talented artists in the world when she really isn't. Our music deserves just as much attention but it doesn't get it because of corporate greed and manipulation of the masses.
Even if Opeth and PT were on the radio and MTV or whatever, most people still won't like them. No matter the amount of publicity, most people will still pick pop music over prog metal.
I think that's due to the mindsetwhere if something is on the radio, it's good; if it's not on the radio, it's amateur. Lots of people I know have said exactly that.
And for the record, I never dissed Gaga's music. I just dissed the image that she stands for.
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@H, You're absolutely right. But I think Zander said it best:
Why do you even care?
Seriously. Stop wasting energy on giving a shit. It's never going to change. The simple fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of people aren't HUGE music fans like most of us on this forum. They're perfectly content with enjoying catchy songs on the radio now and then. They don't need to listen to stuff like Porcupine Tree. It isn't made for them. In the same way you could argue that mainstream pop music isn't made for us. They're missing out, but who fucking cares? That's on them. It isn't hurting them, and it's not hurting us that they don't like what we like.
Certainly, I'd like to see bands like Opeth and PT get more recognition, because they deserve it. But they're doing just fine right now. They have strong, devoted fanbases, and as far as I know, Mikael Akerfeldt isn't scrounging for thrown-away pizza in alleyway trash cans. They deserve more than they have, yes, but I think they belong more in a niche music scene than the mainstream anyway. I don't really want everyone to know who they are. If Opeth was a household name, I suppose that'd be cool. But I don't get offended that Poker Face has more views than all Opeth videos combined, because, at the end of the day...it just doesn't fucking matter. I enjoy it, you enjoy it, your neighbor has no idea who the fuck Opeth is. Life goes on.
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BrotherH, as everyone's already said, you're acting like a stereotypical prog snob. Just let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. Someone likes Lady Gaga because they heard "Bad Romance" on the radio and don't go looking for something like Opeth. Would they really enjoy Opeth anyways? If you feel so inclined, suggest something a little less well-known that they might like. Little dredg here and a little PT there. Don't be surprised if you try playing "Blackwater Park" for someone who likes T Pain and BEP and they end up hating it.
Seriously, be happy enjoying your music and let other people be happy enjoying theirs. This need to shit all over something or its fanbase because its popular doesn't help anybody. It doesn't matter.
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Dude.
I agree with you, but you're being a very stereotypical pretentious music fan right now. :lol
"Society's music tastes don't coincide with my own, therefore, there's something wrong with society."
It's not that. It's that most people are too lazy to hunt for artists and bands like PT or Opeth. They are basically spoonfed artists like Gaga and told that she's one of the most talented artists in the world when she really isn't. Our music deserves just as much attention but it doesn't get it because of corporate greed and manipulation of the masses.
Even if Opeth and PT were on the radio and MTV or whatever, most people still won't like them. No matter the amount of publicity, most people will still pick pop music over prog metal.
I think that's due to the mindsetwhere if something is on the radio, it's good; if it's not on the radio, it's amateur. Lots of people I know have said exactly that.
And for the record, I never dissed Gaga's music. I just dissed the image that she stands for.
Lots of people really just don't care. Music to them is something to dance to or to have fun to. You can't really dance to prog music. Do they like Lady Gaga because her artistic merit? No. They like Lady Gaga because it's fun and you can dance and party to it. If that's what they're looking for in music, they won't like Opeth or PT.
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Well said, Drew.
Also, if anything, Opeth and PT will outlive pretty much ALL mainstream, made-for-radio pop stars. They focus more on crafting entire albums and challenging their devoted fanbase, whereas the manufactured pop stars are just about creating a few hit singles that will be enjoyable for a little while before forgotten just a few months are their debut. The targets audiences of PT and Opeth are primarily people who want to hear the whole album and will continue to do so.
Take a band like Pink Floyd, for example. They're one of the most well-known bands ever, even decades after their conception. They created albums that focus on the whole, not just one or two songs. The dozens of interchangeable stars of that same era have been virtually forgotten by the masses.
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Lady Gaga is fugly.
I'd rather be force fed her music than her image on magazines all the time.
Carry on.
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@H, You're absolutely right. But, I think Zander said it best:
Why do you even care?
Seriously. Stop wasting energy on giving a shit. It's never going to change. The simple fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of people aren't HUGE music fans like most of us on this forum. They're perfectly content with enjoying catchy songs on the radio now and then. They don't need to listen to stuff like Porcupine Tree. It isn't made for them. In the same way you could argue that mainstream pop music isn't made for us. They're missing out, but who fucking cares? That's on them. It isn't hurting them, and it's not hurting us that they don't like what we like.
Certainly, I'd like to see bands like Opeth and PT get more recognition, because they deserve it. But they're doing just fine right now. They have strong, devoted fanbases, and as far as I know, Mikael Akerfeldt isn't scrounging for thrown-away pizza in alleyway trash cans. They deserve more than they have, yes, but I think they belong more in a niche music scene than the mainstream anyway. I don't particular want everyone to know who they are. If Opeth was a household name, I suppose that'd be cool. But I'm not about to get offended that Poker Face has more views than all Opeth videos combined, because, at the end of the day...it just doesn't fucking matter. I enjoy it, you enjoy it, your neighbor has no idea who the fuck Opeth is. Life goes on.
Good post. I guess I care because it kind of hurts the experience of listening to Lady Gaga. There is sort of a thrill of discovery when you listen to underground stuff. Whever I listen to Gaga (or anything that is a household name), I either think (1) she's a sell-out, and/or (2) a bunch of obese American women with sheepish dumb looks on their faces think she is some kind of goddess. Neither may be true but it really taints the listening experience for me. If she was on the same popularity level as, say, Bjork then I could potential be relaxed to and enjoy her music.
I guess to sum it up, the whole thing feels very phony to me.
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@H, You're absolutely right. But, I think Zander said it best:
Why do you even care?
Seriously. Stop wasting energy on giving a shit. It's never going to change. The simple fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of people aren't HUGE music fans like most of us on this forum. They're perfectly content with enjoying catchy songs on the radio now and then. They don't need to listen to stuff like Porcupine Tree. It isn't made for them. In the same way you could argue that mainstream pop music isn't made for us. They're missing out, but who fucking cares? That's on them. It isn't hurting them, and it's not hurting us that they don't like what we like.
Certainly, I'd like to see bands like Opeth and PT get more recognition, because they deserve it. But they're doing just fine right now. They have strong, devoted fanbases, and as far as I know, Mikael Akerfeldt isn't scrounging for thrown-away pizza in alleyway trash cans. They deserve more than they have, yes, but I think they belong more in a niche music scene than the mainstream anyway. I don't particular want everyone to know who they are. If Opeth was a household name, I suppose that'd be cool. But I'm not about to get offended that Poker Face has more views than all Opeth videos combined, because, at the end of the day...it just doesn't fucking matter. I enjoy it, you enjoy it, your neighbor has no idea who the fuck Opeth is. Life goes on.
Good post. I guess I care because it kind of hurts the experience of listening to Lady Gaga. There is sort of a thrill of discovery when you listen to underground stuff. Whever I listen to Gaga (or anything that is a household name), I either think (1) she's a sell-out, and/or (2) a bunch of obese American women with sheepish dumb looks on their faces think she is some kind of goddess. Neither may be true but it really taints the listening experience for me. If she was on the same popularity level as, say, Bjork then I could potential be relaxed to and enjoy her music.
I guess to sum it up, the whole thing feels very phony to me.
tl;dr = Lady Gaga is too mainstream for me
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@H, You're absolutely right. But, I think Zander said it best:
Why do you even care?
Seriously. Stop wasting energy on giving a shit. It's never going to change. The simple fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of people aren't HUGE music fans like most of us on this forum. They're perfectly content with enjoying catchy songs on the radio now and then. They don't need to listen to stuff like Porcupine Tree. It isn't made for them. In the same way you could argue that mainstream pop music isn't made for us. They're missing out, but who fucking cares? That's on them. It isn't hurting them, and it's not hurting us that they don't like what we like.
Certainly, I'd like to see bands like Opeth and PT get more recognition, because they deserve it. But they're doing just fine right now. They have strong, devoted fanbases, and as far as I know, Mikael Akerfeldt isn't scrounging for thrown-away pizza in alleyway trash cans. They deserve more than they have, yes, but I think they belong more in a niche music scene than the mainstream anyway. I don't particular want everyone to know who they are. If Opeth was a household name, I suppose that'd be cool. But I'm not about to get offended that Poker Face has more views than all Opeth videos combined, because, at the end of the day...it just doesn't fucking matter. I enjoy it, you enjoy it, your neighbor has no idea who the fuck Opeth is. Life goes on.
Good post. I guess I care because it kind of hurts the experience of listening to Lady Gaga. There is sort of a thrill of discovery when you listen to underground stuff. Whever I listen to Gaga (or anything that is a household name), I either think (1) she's a sell-out, and/or (2) a bunch of obese American women with sheepish dumb looks on their faces think she is some kind of goddess. Neither may be true but it really taints the listening experience for me. If she was on the same popularity level as, say, Bjork then I could potential be relaxed to and enjoy her music.
I guess to sum it up, the whole thing feels very phony to me.
You seem more consumed with her image than any of the "sheep" you're accusing of being.
You're acting really ridiculous, and it's kind of embarrassing just for me to read.
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H, do you feel the same way when you listen to Pink Floyd? Led Zeppelin? Iron Maiden? Tool? Metallica? Any other "household names?"
Okay maybe Metallica wasn't the best example given their reputation :P
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ITT: lots of people assume they know my experiences and education with music
EDIT: Actually yes, SDN. Pink Floyd is an anomoly, but I feel sort of uncomfortable listening to the rest (except for Tool, which I didn't realize was a household name).
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ITT: lots of people assume they know my experiences and education with music
We're not assuming anything. We're crafting our posts based off of yours.
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I've always thought it's equally sheepish to love something just because it's popular as it is to hate it just because it's popular. You either enjoy it or you don't, that's all there is to it.
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I've always thought it's equally sheepish to love something just because it's popular as it is to hate it just because it's popular. You either enjoy it or you don't, that's all there is to it.
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H, what's confusing me is how you keep bringing up the idea that people "worship" pop music artists like Lady Gaga. I guarantee you, we worship Steven Wilson much more than the average Gaga fan worships Gaga. Mainstream music fans are mostly passive. You ask a Lady Gaga fan what they think of her, they'll likely say,
"Oh yeah, I like Lady Gaga. I think [one of her songs] is pretty catchy."
On the other hand, you ask a Porcupine Tree fan about Steven Wilson:
"I would go gay for him."
See what I'm saying?
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I've always thought it's equally sheepish to love something just because it's popular as it is to hate it just because it's popular. You either enjoy it or you don't, that's all there is to it.
If that's what you think then I guess I'm sheepish. At least I'm not jumping off the cliff.
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H, what's confusing me is how you keep bringing up the idea that people "worship" pop music artists like Lady Gaga. I guarantee you, we worship Steven Wilson much more than the average Gaga fan worships Gaga. Mainstream music fans are mostly passive. You ask a Lady Gaga fan what they think of her, they'll likely say,
"Oh yeah, I like Lady Gaga. I think [one of her songs] is pretty catchy."
On the other hand, you ask a Porcupine Tree fan about Steven Wilson:
"I would go gay for him."
See what I'm saying?
That's a good point. But I think there's a difference. We've been exposed to more music, so I think our opinion is more well-refined than theirs are.
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I've always thought it's equally sheepish to love something just because it's popular as it is to hate it just because it's popular. You either enjoy it or you don't, that's all there is to it.
If that's what you think then I guess I'm sheepish. At least I'm not jumping off the cliff.
I don't think Gaga fans are jumping off of cliffs either, or else her record sales would be much lower.
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ITT: lots of people assume they know my experiences and education with music
EDIT: Actually yes, SDN. Pink Floyd is an anomoly, but I feel sort of uncomfortable listening to the rest (except for Tool, which I didn't realize was a household name).
Really? Why not just listen to the music and then make a decision about whether you like it or not based on the music rather than letting its fans sway your opinion? Despite all the "posers" (for lack of a better word) who wear iconic Led Zep or Pink Floyd clothing and know only the hits, I still enjoy the music those bands put out. Heck, I still enjoy DT and the pretentious DT fan is about ten times worse than the obsessive Lady Gaga fan.
Also, Gadough is on a roll with making good points in this thread.
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Yet again, H, I completely agree with you. You're right.
But
Why do you even care?
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER. At all. It's never going to change, and you're never going to convince anyone. You're chasing your own tail and you're beating a dead horse. Just stop giving a fuck about what Sally down the street likes, and focus on what you like. It's not that hard.
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Yet again, H, I completely agree with you. You're right.
But
Why do you even care?
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER. At all. It's never going to change, and you're never going to convince anyone. You're chasing your own tail and you're beating a dead horse. Just stop giving a fuck about what Sally down the street likes, and focus on what you like. It's not that hard.
God damn it Gadough, I haven't slept for 30 hours and I need something to bitch about!
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Then bitch about Orchid. That album blows.
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Lots of people really just don't care. Music to them is something to dance to or to have fun to. You can't really dance to prog music. Do they like Lady Gaga because her artistic merit? No. They like Lady Gaga because it's fun and you can dance and party to it. If that's what they're looking for in music, they won't like Opeth or PT.
THIS! SO MUCH THIS!
Seriously Hayden, you are sounding ridiculous right now.
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Then bitch about Orchid. That album blows.
What an awful album. Sometimes I just pretend like it doesn't exist.
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Hayden, dude, honestly, anyone who thinks like you do obviously listens to music for all the wrong reasons. You've been really hypocritical in this thread.
EDIT: HEY SHUT UP DREW ORCHID IS A GOOD ALBUM
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
Poker Face and Bad Romance are still as catchy to me as they were whenever they came out. I don't regularly listen to either of them, but I enjoy them quite a bit.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
Oh god, not you as well.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! :dangerwillrobinson:
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
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Ok you know what song I want to kill with fire? Tik Tok. Yes I know it's not Gaga but same difference. Just want to rip that song and all its fans to shreds.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
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Then bitch about Orchid. That album blows.
What an awful album. Sometimes I just pretend like it doesn't exist.
o/
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Then bitch about Orchid. That album blows.
What an awful album. Sometimes I just pretend like it doesn't exist.
o/
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
NIN were never pop music.
And you're talking as though you know for a fact that bands and artists who are popular now won't keep a strong fanbase. Are you from the future?
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
A good point, but how many other popular bounds were around around the same time as the beatles? Do you remember? What about all of the pop bands from the 60's? The 70's? The 80's? The early 90's? You probably don't know most of them because like most pop music, it faded away quickly. Now is no different, you're just experiencing it as opposed to the other stuff. History tends to get condensed to the most important things, while the unimportant never gets retold. You're just experiencing the unimportant. In 20 years, no one will remember 80% of the pop bands from the 2000s'.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
Um..... okay.
All those artists focused on crafting albums, starting with The Beatles. The music industry has always been a hit factory with a select few of artists who wanted to do more than just climb the charts. Nothing has changed. To say it has is just being ignorant.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
I can't predict the future. And I may be wrong. But Lady Gaga has made a pretty massive impact on music and pop culture, whether you like her or not. Much more so than any other pop artist in recent memory. Kesha will come and go, Katy Perry will come and go... I have a feeling Gaga has more than 15 minutes left. I wouldn't be surprised if she's still a household name decades from now.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
When was NIN ever pop? :lol
But no, I'm afraid you're actually wrong. For every Beatles or Sting, there were a thousand pop groups that put out a few hits and disappeared. Remember that band who wrote "Louie Louie?" Neither does anyone else. Ravenheart's on the money there.
Ninja'd by Adami though, who put it in better words.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
I can't predict the future. And I may be wrong. But Lady Gaga has made a pretty massive impact on music and pop culture, whether you like her or not. Much more so than any other pop artist in recent memory. Kesha will come and go, Katy Perry will come and go... I have a feeling Gaga has more than 15 minutes left. I wouldn't be surprised if she's still a household name decades from now.
So true.
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Lady Gaga is everything that is wrong with pop culture
If this were true, Lady Gaga would have almost no background in writing and understanding music and all the while have millions of dollars handed to her for being attractive and "sexy".
I don't like Lady Gaga's music, but she at least has knowledge of how music works. Plus, it has been admitted by many that under POP STAR standards, she isn't what many would consider to be the most attractive out there. There are definitely much worse examples of popular culture.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
When was NIN ever pop? :lol
But no, I'm afraid you're actually wrong. For every Beatles or Sting, there were a thousand pop groups that put out a few hits and disappeared. Remember that band who wrote "Louie Louie?" Neither does anyone else. Ravenheart's on the money there.
Ninja'd by Adami though, who put it in better words.
Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
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If you want to scapegoat the failings of society on someone, Kim Kardashian would make more sense.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
When was NIN ever pop? :lol
But no, I'm afraid you're actually wrong. For every Beatles or Sting, there were a thousand pop groups that put out a few hits and disappeared. Remember that band who wrote "Louie Louie?" Neither does anyone else. Ravenheart's on the money there.
Ninja'd by Adami though, who put it in better words.
Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
Britney Spears is still releasing music.
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Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
You've obviously completely misunderstood SND's point. Louie Louie was just an example that we remember, even obscurely. There has been TONS of music thoughout the decades that none of us even knows apart from some older people who vaguely remember it from the time. Nothing has changed.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
When was NIN ever pop? :lol
But no, I'm afraid you're actually wrong. For every Beatles or Sting, there were a thousand pop groups that put out a few hits and disappeared. Remember that band who wrote "Louie Louie?" Neither does anyone else. Ravenheart's on the money there.
Ninja'd by Adami though, who put it in better words.
Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
Britney Spears is still releasing music.
But there is a HUGE difference in the quality of britney spears's music from her beginnings to know. Her first couple albums were pop genius that have a couple songs that will live on forever. The last 8 years or so she's had none of that.
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Lady gaga makes disposable catchy musical that 2 weeks from now no one will care about so she'll have to put out another song that no one will care about in 2 weeks. The state of pop music is very sad, there is NO shelf life anymore in pop music.
There never has been. The music industry hasn't changed at all since it began. Fads and trends come and go, while some artists, usually those that focus more on entire albums rather than just hits, maintain strong fan bases that last throughout their careers.
Disagree. The beatles used to be pop music. No one has more shelf life than the beatles. The police were pop music, NIN were pop music. I could go on. All of that music has great shelf life. Now we have Bruno mars, lady gaga and lil b. I'd rather be dead, no really.
When was NIN ever pop? :lol
But no, I'm afraid you're actually wrong. For every Beatles or Sting, there were a thousand pop groups that put out a few hits and disappeared. Remember that band who wrote "Louie Louie?" Neither does anyone else. Ravenheart's on the money there.
Ninja'd by Adami though, who put it in better words.
Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
And the same is true for tons of pop music that was dominating the airwaves way back in the day. It's a never-ending cycle that was just as true back then as it is now. To say there's been some sort of profound shift in how pop music becomes popular is just laughable.
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
It's not unique. It's a blend of madonna, alice cooper, and marilyn manson. But i know what you mean, she's trying to be different than the rest.
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I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video
YES.
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
It's not unique. It's a blend of madonna, alice cooper, and marilyn manson. But i know what you mean, she's trying to be different than the rest.
And succeeding, very very well.
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Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
You've obviously completely misunderstood SND's point. Louie Louie was just an example that we remember, even obscurely. There has been TONS of music thoughout the decades that none of us even knows apart from some older people who vaguely remember it from the time. Nothing has changed.
First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
Also, TJ, "Toxic" was released in what, 2003? That's eight years ago. And its a bloody fantastic song. Hmmm...
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
It's not unique. It's a blend of madonna, alice cooper, and marilyn manson. But i know what you mean, she's trying to be different than the rest.
And succeeding, very very well.
Which therefore, by definition, is unique.
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
That's my point. Doing her own thing is generally NOT what is reflected in a lot of popular culture. Hence why she is not the worst example out there.
Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
It's not unique. It's a blend of madonna, alice cooper, and marilyn manson. But i know what you mean, she's trying to be different than the rest.
By that logic, nothing is unique. It's called influence.
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
It's not unique. It's a blend of madonna, alice cooper, and marilyn manson. But i know what you mean, she's trying to be different than the rest.
Yeah, I meant unique in relation to modern pop music.
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First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
I remember it fine, I just fail at typing today for some reason.
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Closer was one of the most popular songs of the 90's. Trent also had other hit songs that is what pop music is, popular. Even louie louie as a song has shelf life. Everyone knows it decades later. I highly doubt the same will be said about any of the pop music today, that's my point.
You've obviously completely misunderstood SND's point. Louie Louie was just an example that we remember, even obscurely. There has been TONS of music thoughout the decades that none of us even knows apart from some older people who vaguely remember it from the time. Nothing has changed.
First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
Also, TJ, "Toxic" was released in what, 2003? That's eight years ago. And its a bloody fantastic song. Hmmm...
I really mean her first two albums had the songs that everyone will remember in the future.
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
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Gaga's songs are too catchy to dismiss, some of them are even pretty good.
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First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
I'm gonna start referring to you as TGWHM.
"That Guy Who Hates Me"
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Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
That's my point. Doing her own thing is generally NOT what is reflected in a lot of popular culture. Hence why she is not the worst example out there.
Concerning Gaga's attractiveness. She has the potential to be really, really hot. But she chooses to be zany and bizarre looking instead. :lol Which is cool too; I actually respect her for being unique. I just remember how hot she was in the Just Dance video, and it makes my penis sad that she doesn't look like that anymore.
It's not unique. It's a blend of madonna, alice cooper, and marilyn manson. But i know what you mean, she's trying to be different than the rest.
By that logic, nothing is unique. It's called influence.
Well yeah, there isn't much that is unique to me. I don't have a problem with anything she does or any of her songs. I just have a problem with the state of music as it is now. I've always loved music and could listen to the radio every day. Now... it's fucking bullshit.
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First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
I'm gonna start referring to you as TGWHM.
"That Guy Who Hates Me"
TGHMW?
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
I bet you 5 dollars that they won't in the year 5 billion.
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First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
I'm gonna start referring to you as TGWHM.
"That Guy Who Hates Me"
TGHMW?
That guy who...makes waffles?
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First SDV, now SND, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE REMEMBER MY DAMN ACRONYM?
I'm gonna start referring to you as TGWHM.
"That Guy Who Hates Me"
TGHMW?
That guy who...makes waffles?
?
I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
I bet you 5 dollars that they won't in the year 5 billion.
YOU'RE ON
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
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I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
I bet you 5 dollars that they won't in the year 5 billion.
Watch the episode of Doctor Who called "New Earth" for the reference. :biggrin:
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
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I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
It pains me to read that... :omg:
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Fucking music snobbery, how does it work?
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
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I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
It pains me to read that... :omg:
It would be much easier and nicer to realize that you can not like something without it being inferior.
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Tj, there's something important that you seem to be ignoring. What is on the radio is not the only measure of what is popular in general. I actually agree that radio stations are not as good as they used to be, and seem to play a narrower range of music. But this is because, back in the day, the radio was the only real way to discover new music. Well, or live gigs I suppose, but those cost money as well as buying the albums. So the only way to really "try before you buy" was the radio, and so it covered everything because it needed to appeal to everyone including hardcore music fans.
That is not the case these days. Those of us who really want to discover new music do so via the internet mostly, and even within that there are a ton of different ways. So the radio is primarily for more casual listeners, those who don't take music too seriously and want something with a catchy hook, or a dancable beat.
But this doesn't mean that pop music is in any worse a state than it ever was. If you look at the album charts, there is a lot of really great, intelligent music in there.
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Fucking music snobbery, how does it work?
please.
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
I bet you 5 dollars that they won't in the year 5 billion.
Watch the episode of Doctor Who called "New Earth" for the reference. :biggrin:
End of the World, but yes. Caught it. :hat
I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
!!
I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
It pains me to read that... :omg:
I think part of it is the production. Toxic is not only well-written (superbly written!), but it doesn't pigeonhole itself into the pop bracket quite so harshly. Still blatantly pop, but not as bubblegum as Hit Me Baby.
Third one that comes to mind is Womaniser, but I'm pretty sure Toxic's her signature track. Poss HMB! You might be right. Everyone's different. Don't really have any data. Just gut feeling.
Tj, there's something important that you seem to be ignoring. What is on the radio is not the only measure of what is popular in general. I actually agree that radio stations are not as good as they used to be, and seem to play a narrower range of music. But this is because, back in the day, the radio was the only real way to discover new music. Well, or live gigs I suppose, but those cost money as well as buying the albums. So the only way to really "try before you buy" was the radio, and so it covered everything because it needed to appeal to everyone including hardcore music fans.
That is not the case these days. Those of us who really want to discover new music do so via the internet mostly, and even within that there are a ton of different ways. So the radio is primarily for more casual listeners, those who don't take music too seriously and want something with a catchy hook, or a dancable beat.
But this doesn't mean that pop music is in any worse a state than it ever was. If you look at the album charts, there is a lot of really great, intelligent music in there.
Magnificently put. I was a little tempted to cack out a radio essay (I've done a lot of 'em at uni), but you've basically covered it. Plus I'm lazy. But mainly you've covered it.
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Fucking music snobbery, how does it work?
please.
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Tj, there's something important that you seem to be ignoring. What is on the radio is not the only measure of what is popular in general. I actually agree that radio stations are not as good as they used to be, and seem to play a narrower range of music. But this is because, back in the day, the radio was the only real way to discover new music. Well, or live gigs I suppose, but those cost money as well as buying the albums. So the only way to really "try before you buy" was the radio, and so it covered everything because it needed to appeal to everyone including hardcore music fans.
That is not the case these days. Those of us who really want to discover new music do so via the internet mostly, and even within that there are a ton of different ways. So the radio is primarily for more casual listeners, those who don't take music too seriously and want something with a catchy hook, or a dancable beat.
But this doesn't mean that pop music is in any worse a state than it ever was. If you look at the album charts, there is a lot of really great, intelligent music in there.
Well i understand that because almost all of the music i discover comes from the internet. I just feel like it shouldn't be that way. The music industry brings that upon itself and that's why radio stations are doing so poorly.
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
!!
I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
Toxic is actually a really good song.
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Fucking music snobbery, how does it work?
please.
:rollin
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Mamamama my this thread has gotten stuffy
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
I bet you 5 dollars that they won't in the year 5 billion.
Watch the episode of Doctor Who called "New Earth" for the reference. :biggrin:
End of the World, but yes. Caught it. :hat
I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
!!
I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
It pains me to read that... :omg:
I think part of it is the production. Toxic is not only well-written (superbly written!), but it doesn't pigeonhole itself into the pop bracket quite so harshly. Still blatantly pop, but not as bubblegum as Hit Me Baby.
Third one that comes to mind is Womaniser, but I'm pretty sure Toxic's her signature track. Poss HMB! You might be right. Everyone's different. Don't really have any data. Just gut feeling.
No where did i say that YOU couldn't feel that way. I just said it pains ME to read that because i think her first two albums are masterfully written and produced. I really love great pop song writing and i feel like it's gone now because of monotonous melodies and autotune. Also i doesn't seem like people put as much effort into the craft anymore. The melodies for her hugely popular songs are beautiful and REALLY well written. Max Martin is one of the best at writing pop melodies, my favorite of the last 15 years.
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Tj, there's something important that you seem to be ignoring. What is on the radio is not the only measure of what is popular in general. I actually agree that radio stations are not as good as they used to be, and seem to play a narrower range of music. But this is because, back in the day, the radio was the only real way to discover new music. Well, or live gigs I suppose, but those cost money as well as buying the albums. So the only way to really "try before you buy" was the radio, and so it covered everything because it needed to appeal to everyone including hardcore music fans.
That is not the case these days. Those of us who really want to discover new music do so via the internet mostly, and even within that there are a ton of different ways. So the radio is primarily for more casual listeners, those who don't take music too seriously and want something with a catchy hook, or a dancable beat.
But this doesn't mean that pop music is in any worse a state than it ever was. If you look at the album charts, there is a lot of really great, intelligent music in there.
Well i understand that because almost all of the music i discover comes from the internet. I just feel like it shouldn't be that way. The music industry brings that upon itself and that's why radio stations are doing so poorly.
Not at all. Active media consumption brought it upon itself.
Radio, previously, brought the world of music to the listeners' front room. Nowadays, the internet is far more flexible, and allows the listener to actively seek their own music, rather than have it fed to them. So, rather than provide a service it's outclassed at, it's shifted to reflect the things that it's very, very good at: writing playlists, creating atmosphere, providing easy listening, and involving the listener more interactively. It's a companion, rather than a service. Because it has to be!
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I guarantee you in the year five billion they'll still be playing "Toxic."
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I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
Toxic is actually a really good song.
Agreed, but i wasn't talking about a song being good. I was talking about GREAT pop songs that have a long shelf life. If you feel toxic is that than ok.
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Yeah it's the nature of technology. When something new comes along and provides the same function but more quickly and easily and comprehensively, the old technology will of course fall behind.
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I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
It pains me to read that... :omg:
I think part of it is the production. Toxic is not only well-written (superbly written!), but it doesn't pigeonhole itself into the pop bracket quite so harshly. Still blatantly pop, but not as bubblegum as Hit Me Baby.
Third one that comes to mind is Womaniser, but I'm pretty sure Toxic's her signature track. Poss HMB! You might be right. Everyone's different. Don't really have any data. Just gut feeling.
No where did i say that YOU couldn't feel that way.
Er, I didn't say you did? Just elaborating. I'm a motormouth. Pologies.
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Let's all just appreciate the Toxic music video, in which Spears is literally completely naked throughout.
:heart
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Let's all just appreciate the Toxic music video, in which Spears is literally completely naked throughout.
:heart
yes when she was hot. agreed.
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I'll second that. It's also the only Britney Spears song I can remember. When I thought a little harder, I managed Hit Me Baby One More Time, but Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
It pains me to read that... :omg:
I think part of it is the production. Toxic is not only well-written (superbly written!), but it doesn't pigeonhole itself into the pop bracket quite so harshly. Still blatantly pop, but not as bubblegum as Hit Me Baby.
Third one that comes to mind is Womaniser, but I'm pretty sure Toxic's her signature track. Poss HMB! You might be right. Everyone's different. Don't really have any data. Just gut feeling.
No where did i say that YOU couldn't feel that way.
Er, I didn't say you did? Just elaborating. I'm a motormouth. Pologies.
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i was actually reffering to other people when i wrote that, not really directed at you. I think you may have caught the shrapnel. My fault... :blush
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Not a Gaga fan but I don't take issue with those that are. Some people just like simple music they can dance to or sing along with whilst driving.
No need to be hatin' on other people's taste in music. Just take 50mg of :chill :chill
Besides I'm sure most people would label us music nerds or band geeks if they knew what we listened to, and that's not going to affect our tastes in music. :tup
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Tj, there's something important that you seem to be ignoring. What is on the radio is not the only measure of what is popular in general. I actually agree that radio stations are not as good as they used to be, and seem to play a narrower range of music. But this is because, back in the day, the radio was the only real way to discover new music. Well, or live gigs I suppose, but those cost money as well as buying the albums. So the only way to really "try before you buy" was the radio, and so it covered everything because it needed to appeal to everyone including hardcore music fans.
That is not the case these days. Those of us who really want to discover new music do so via the internet mostly, and even within that there are a ton of different ways. So the radio is primarily for more casual listeners, those who don't take music too seriously and want something with a catchy hook, or a dancable beat.
But this doesn't mean that pop music is in any worse a state than it ever was. If you look at the album charts, there is a lot of really great, intelligent music in there.
Well i understand that because almost all of the music i discover comes from the internet. I just feel like it shouldn't be that way. The music industry brings that upon itself and that's why radio stations are doing so poorly.
Have you um, tried getting people who listen to the radio to listen to prog?
I hope it's going well for you.
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Not talking about prog at all
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Toxic is the quintessential Spears song.
Because:
Let's all just appreciate the Toxic music video, in which Spears is literally completely naked throughout.
:heart
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Watching gaga concert on hbo. Shes doing a gay pride with all gay people in underwear on stage. Ok I think I just gained some respect.
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Wham's "Careless Whisper" is a better pop song than any pop song mentioned in this thread thus far. :biggrin:
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As far as I'm concerned, Emilie Simon's Vegetal is the quintessential "pop" album :millahhhh
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Not talking about prog at all
My point is that complaining of what pop music is - it is so because the casual listener of music only wants shallow, catchy <3minute songs. It doesn't matter if you try to get them to listen to prog or metal or jazz or dubstep, they won't be interested, just as casual watchers don't really care about dvd vs. bluray.
Lady Gaga however, is at the forefront of pop music at the moment, writing the bestp pop music out today, and she's the one writing it, not some faceless writer behind yet another hot looking woman. Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play. She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.
If that's not enough for you, well then I don't know what is.
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While I'm not a huge fan of her music, I can agree with what faemir says. I definitely like her more than most current pop stars...
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
Yeah, but whatcha gonna do about that?
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
So?
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
So?
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
It seems an appropriate subject for the kind of music, don't you think?
I couldn't imagine her singing about existentialism or something like that with this kind of music, so I don't see any problem with the sexually charged lyrics.
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You sound like a concerned, out of touch mother, memberH.
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You sound like a concerned, out of touch mother, memberH.
motherh
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What else would pop music be written about besides the most popular thing? :lol
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
You're not even saying anything anymore.
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
I understand where you're coming from, but singing about sex can have an appeal. It's like quick attack, really, it can catch the audience quickly and have up to 50% effect on them! You can also make use of the clever "Rock-slide" kind of lyrics, but there's a time and a place. Sexually charged lyrics are well known to be essential in the pokemon fight of music.
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Life is really just a big cycle of quick attacks and rock-slides.
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We go through the motions, quick-attacking everything that moves, but the sad fact is that the inevitable rock-slide of time is going to get us all in the end.
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:rollin :rollin
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*reads last four pages of thread*
WTF
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Not talking about prog at all
My point is that complaining of what pop music is - it is so because the casual listener of music only wants shallow, catchy <3minute songs. It doesn't matter if you try to get them to listen to prog or metal or jazz or dubstep, they won't be interested, just as casual watchers don't really care about dvd vs. bluray.
Lady Gaga however, is at the forefront of pop music at the moment, writing the bestp pop music out today, and she's the one writing it, not some faceless writer behind yet another hot looking woman. Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play. She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.
If that's not enough for you, well then I don't know what is.
I understand what you are saying and that's fine but i would argue that the writing her own songs things is way over blown. Red one is responsible for her sound and probably writes most of the stuff. She probably writes the lyrics.
Nadir Khayat, known by the stage name RedOne, was born in Tétouan, Morocco[1] and is a 2 time Grammy Award-winning and 4 time Grammy Nominee Swedish producer/songwriter.[2][3] He has been described as the key to Lady Gaga's musical sound.[4] In 2010, RedOne established his own record label named 2101 Records as a joint venture with Universal International Music, an administrative unit of Universal Music Group. Each artist signed to the 2101/Universal venture will be released via a record label within Universal Music Group. Mohombi was the first artist to be signed to the label.[5]
In 2010, RedOne received 4 Grammy nominations at the 52nd Grammy Awards including Album of the Year as a producer for Lady Gaga's The Fame, Record of the Year and Best Dance Recording as producer, and Song of the Year as a songwriter for Gaga's hit single "Poker Face", later resulting in the win for Best Dance Recording.[2] In 2011, RedOne was nominated for a Grammy Award for Producer of the Year (non-classical). He was also nominated for Album of the Year, a second time in a row, for his contributions to Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster as a producer.
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*reads last four pages of thread*
WTF
You're just in time for the fun! Feel free to jump in whenever you'd like.
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Not talking about prog at all
My point is that complaining of what pop music is - it is so because the casual listener of music only wants shallow, catchy <3minute songs. It doesn't matter if you try to get them to listen to prog or metal or jazz or dubstep, they won't be interested, just as casual watchers don't really care about dvd vs. bluray.
Lady Gaga however, is at the forefront of pop music at the moment, writing the bestp pop music out today, and she's the one writing it, not some faceless writer behind yet another hot looking woman. Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play. She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.
If that's not enough for you, well then I don't know what is.
I understand what you are saying but and that's fine but i would argue that the writing her own songs things is way over blown. Red one is responsible for her sound and probably writes most of the stuff. She probably writes the lyrics.
Nadir Khayat, known by the stage name RedOne, was born in Tétouan, Morocco[1] and is a 2 time Grammy Award-winning and 4 time Grammy Nominee Swedish producer/songwriter.[2][3] He has been described as the key to Lady Gaga's musical sound.[4] In 2010, RedOne established his own record label named 2101 Records as a joint venture with Universal International Music, an administrative unit of Universal Music Group. Each artist signed to the 2101/Universal venture will be released via a record label within Universal Music Group. Mohombi was the first artist to be signed to the label.[5]
In 2010, RedOne received 4 Grammy nominations at the 52nd Grammy Awards including Album of the Year as a producer for Lady Gaga's The Fame, Record of the Year and Best Dance Recording as producer, and Song of the Year as a songwriter for Gaga's hit single "Poker Face", later resulting in the win for Best Dance Recording.[2] In 2011, RedOne was nominated for a Grammy Award for Producer of the Year (non-classical). He was also nominated for Album of the Year, a second time in a row, for his contributions to Lady Gaga's The Fame Monster as a producer.
Well, This is all very silly...
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Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play.
If she was commercially releasing piano based songs, that might actually be relevant.
It would be a bit like saying the movie 'Jack' is automatically good because the same director was also capable of making something like 'The Godfather'. If anything, having talent but squandering it is actually sadder.
She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.
She's good at marketing and knows how to pander very well. She has also done a fantastic job of convincing people that a weak, watered down version of David Bowie's style from the '70s is creative and original.
Plus, those things don't change how the music sounds.
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
:lol :lol
Your posts are always a joy, Mistah H.
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Better to let em be, then shove stuff like Opeth, PT in their face any chance you get.
My friend likes Rap and Hip-Hop yet he liked Blackwater Park. Didn't buy it but he still enjoyed it.
I like pop songs every now and then, hell I enjoy the Spice Girls song Viva Forever, and Selenas Dreaming of You.
Also, I just saw Alejandro on tv earlier, I enjoyed it up until the chorus.
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Trying looking up some of her acoustic performances - she can play.
If she was commercially releasing piano based songs, that might actually be relevant.
It would be a bit like saying the movie 'Jack' is automatically good because the same director was also capable of making something like 'The Godfather'. If anything, having talent but squandering it is actually sadder.
She's got a great stand on civil issues, and goes completely against the fashion and beauty slavery of women today.
She's good at marketing and knows how to pander very well. She has also done a fantastic job of convincing people that a weak, watered down version of David Bowie's style from the '70s is creative and original.
Plus, those things don't change how the music sounds.
She's applied her skills well in writing to make good songs - it just so happens that songs like Paparazzi work better non-acoustically. Last time she has a piano heavy song called Speechless so i'm sure she can play in that. And just because she's good at piano doesn't mean she has to play it well to exploit that. You might prefer a piano romp, but clearly she prefers to translate that initial writing to synth-heavy songs.
She knows how to market and pander really well? I don't see any other pop artists doing half of what she's pushing. Watered-down David Bowie? I'm not sure what to make of that, her songs are broad enough in style as it is, and I'm not seeing the comparison.
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Better to let em be, then shove stuff like Opeth, PT in their face any chance you get.
My friend likes Rap and Hip-Hop yet he liked Blackwater Park. Didn't buy it but he still enjoyed it.
I like pop songs every now and then, hell I enjoy the Spice Girls song Viva Forever, and Selenas Dreaming of You.
Also, I just saw Alejandro on tv earlier, I enjoyed it up until the chorus.
Most young people these days don't buy pop music anyway. They DL it.
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True, but they're the ones who aren't into music, and are into something else. The world isn't just about music, yes its a wonder, but their is more important matters than music. They just view it as something that's cool to enjoy. Plain and simple, guess that's how I can enjoy many styles of music and other arts.
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Better to let em be, then shove stuff like Opeth, PT in their face any chance you get.
My friend likes Rap and Hip-Hop yet he liked Blackwater Park. Didn't buy it but he still enjoyed it.
I like pop songs every now and then, hell I enjoy the Spice Girls song Viva Forever, and Selenas Dreaming of You.
Also, I just saw Alejandro on tv earlier, I enjoyed it up until the chorus.
Most young people these days don't buy pop music anyway. They DL it.
Far more young people buy pop music from itunes than pirate it. You're overestimating the technological competance of the general population.
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Like most have already said, the majority of people out there aren't going to be mesmerized by that technical yet melodic and catchy solo by that awesome guitarist, like you and me. If they can't dance to it, they don't give a fuck.
I checked out that Just Dance video just to see if Lady Gaga was actually attractive or not in said video, and at certain times, she actually was (and the song wasn't even half bad) but fuck, on recent magazine covers, she looks atrocious. :puke:
Also, back in Florida when I was able to listen to my music in my friend's car, he would say that the particular song I was listening to had no beat when clearly it did (all music has a beat), but being a mostly mainstream rap, rock and hip hop fan, he wasn't getting the same "feeling" from the song that I was.
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
:lol :lol
Your posts are always a joy, Mistah H.
Meh. I get where he's coming from. I don't wanna listen to something that's the same as a bunch of other things.
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Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.
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...and I honestly wouldn't really care if it was.
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Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.
I don't really see how DT is "the same", with Octavarium being the exception. All of this pop sounds exactly the same to me. And I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
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She's talented as all hell but I don't like the techno dancing sound. She's much better organic.
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Oh I won't deny she has talent, it's just not my thing at all.
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I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
That's probably because you don't listen to her and therefore can't distinguish her as well..
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Oh I won't deny she has talent, it's just not my thing at all.
Same for me too.
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I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
That's probably because you don't listen to her and therefore can't distinguish her as well..
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I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
That's probably because you don't listen to her and therefore can't distinguish her as well..
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I would never listen to DT and think "pfft they sound just like every other prog band" anyway. I've heard quite a few songs from Lady Gaga from time to time, but it just sounds like the others.
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DT does sound just like every other prog band though.
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Um...no. They may borrow an element here and here from others, but they are very distinguishable, whereas Gaga is just really same-y.
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DT does sound just like every other prog band though.
*Backhands*
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I think it's pretty safe to say that both of the discussed probably rely mostly on their vocal aspect for recognition. Not a jab at either artist, either.
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DT has a style in their instrumental sections that's pretty distinguishable too, although I can't really describe it. But in some cases, that's correct.
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she was hotter as a brunette.
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DT does sound just like every other prog band though.
*Backhands*
It's true though.
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Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.
I don't really see how DT is "the same", with Octavarium being the exception. All of this pop sounds exactly the same to me. And I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
I wasn't insinuating that DT is "the same", I was implying that Lady Gaga isn't. And as all pop sounds the same to you, all metal sounds the same to a lot of people, it's just a matter of exposure and acceptance.
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DT does sound just like every other prog band though.
*Backhands*
It's true though.
Not in the least, lol.
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she was hotter as a brunette.
(https://i54.tinypic.com/2j48wol.jpg)
:heart
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Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.
I don't really see how DT is "the same", with Octavarium being the exception. All of this pop sounds exactly the same to me. And I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
To a pop fan (meaning, someone whose favorite genre is pop music), all prog metal would sound exactly the same to them.
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I hear you. I guess I just don't get. Everyone is hearing the same song, and assuming everyone's ears are working properly, I don't see how we come to such different conclusions unless there is some type of phycological trickery involved, such as the mental "I-like-Awake-because-it's-different" thing that has arisen for whatever reason.
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Lady Gaga is no more "the same" as all pop music, than DT is "the same" as all prog rock music.
I don't really see how DT is "the same", with Octavarium being the exception. All of this pop sounds exactly the same to me. And I can listen to a DT song and say it's DT, however the same can't be said for Gaga.
To a pop fan (meaning, someone whose favorite genre is pop music), all prog metal would sound exactly the same to them.
Exactly, before I became a classical fan, it all sounded the same time, just a bunch of strings/horns. Then I really started listening, now while I'm not a classical wizard, I can differentiate between classical, baroque, romantic, Bach, Mozart, Brahms, etc.
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
:lol :lol
Your posts are always a joy, Mistah H.
It's just....not very deep. It comes across as very lazy.
Ok, now that I got a good amount of sleep, and I've had my coffee, I feel great. So hopefully the next thing I say is fairly reasonable by your standards.
It seems like a lot of pop artists walk into the studio and think to themselves, "Let's write a really catchy pop tune." But while a lot of the music we are into is defined as "progressive rock/metal", I don't think DT or PT walk into the studio and say "Let's write a prog album." I think they write much more resourcefully than pop artists. Using DT as the example, just look at their catalogue! Up until SC or so, they didn't even really have a "sound". They pull stuff from quite a number of genres. You've got stuff from Hollow Years to Constant Motion to Goodnight Kiss to 6:00. I can't see anyone saying those songs sound "same-y".
Whereas pop focuses on a very narrow sound, and if they do anything too quirky or different, they lose. So it comes across as a big phony get-rich-quick scheme. And I do believe it is possible to write creatively as a pop artist. I guess you could make the argument that Neal Morse and Eisley are very pop driven, but they incorporate quite a wide variety of sounds and styles into their music.
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Unfortunately like many pop songs, they revolve around sex....for example "love games"
:lol :lol
Your posts are always a joy, Mistah H.
It's just....not very deep. It comes across as very lazy.
Ok, now that I got a good amount of sleep, and I've had my coffee, I feel great. So hopefully the next thing I say is fairly reasonable by your standards.
It seems like a lot of pop artists walk into the studio and think to themselves, "Let's write a really catchy pop tune." But while a lot of the music we are into is defined as "progressive rock/metal", I don't think DT or PT walk into the studio and say "Let's write a prog album." I think they write much more resourcefully than pop artists. Using DT as the example, just look at their catalogue! Up until SC or so, they didn't even really have a "sound". They pull stuff from quite a number of genres. You've got stuff from Hollow Years to Constant Motion to Goodnight Kiss to 6:00. I can't see anyone saying those songs sound "same-y".
Whereas pop focuses on a very narrow sound, and if they do anything too quirky or different, they lose. So it comes across as a big phony get-rich-quick scheme. And I do believe it is possible to write creatively as a pop artist. I guess you could make the argument that Neal Morse and Eisley are very pop driven, but they incorporate quite a wide variety of sounds and styles into their music.
Yup.
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Actually, DT have walked into the studio with the purpose of making an album in a specific style. SFAM was specifically made to be a concept album based around the FII demo. ToT came about because they essentially wanted to make a bunch of songs like "The Glass Prison" (alluded to in the Score documentary), and Octavarium was written as a response to fans who didn't like ToT, and SC was written to sort of balance the two out (explained in the SC making of).
Pop artists do quirky things as well. After all, we're in a thread about Lady Gaga, the queen of quirky pop songs. Not just in how she performs them or what crazy outfit she's wearing. And to address your suggestion that pop is a "get rich quick" scheme, remember (and this has been said hundreds of times on this forum) that if it really was a get rich quick scheme everyone would be doing it. But it is really difficult to write a catchy song.
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I agree with FII and TOT. OVM might have had a direction, but didn't really confine itself to a certain sound. And the rest of the albums were of course written with a history behind them, but don't really sound alike at all.
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BrotherH, I don't think I've seen a more incorrect post on this forum. Dream Theater has no other intention than to write a prog album, and there are a lot more creative pop albums out there than you think. I'm not going into it anymore, because tbh I don't really care.
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DTF (and internet): Arguing about pointless shit since whenever it was invented
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I agree with FII and TOT. OVM might have had a direction, but didn't really confine itself to a certain sound. And the rest of the albums were of course written with a history behind them, but don't really sound alike at all.
What about blues artists? Or jazz artists? Or classical composers?
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Why is it bad if an artist goes into the studio with a certain sound in mind?
Why is it bad if an artist wants to write a catchy tune?
Why is it bad if an artist wants to go in a pop-oriented direction?
This is ridiculous.
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DT are pretty much going into the studio with "let's go writing a prog metal album" in mind. Hell, they are scarred to do certain things because the fans may not like it.
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I agree with FII and TOT. OVM might have had a direction, but didn't really confine itself to a certain sound. And the rest of the albums were of course written with a history behind them, but don't really sound alike at all.
What about blues artists? Or jazz artists? Or classical composers?
...Don't get me started with blues and jazz. Classical is ok since at least the instrumentation is very wide.
And Ravenheart -- it limits and constrains the musical potential.
The thing is, music is very purpose-driven. I don't really take much issue with any music form on it's own. But I take issue with pop artists because it seems like their purpose is to get famous. So to me, it seems like they compromise their musical integrity to reach that end. Whereas lots of other artists write from the heart without too much concern over money and fame, and I really respect that.
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It's just....not very deep.
Actually depending on the woman, it could be very deep.
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I agree with FII and TOT. OVM might have had a direction, but didn't really confine itself to a certain sound. And the rest of the albums were of course written with a history behind them, but don't really sound alike at all.
What about blues artists? Or jazz artists? Or classical composers?
...Don't get me started with blues and jazz. Classical is ok since at least the instrumentation is very wide.
And Ravenheart -- it limits and constrains the musical potential.
The thing is, music is very purpose-driven. I don't really take much issue with any music form on it's own. But I take issue with pop artists because it seems like their purpose is to get famous. So to me, it seems like they compromise their musical integrity to reach that end. Whereas lots of other artists write from the heart without too much concern over money and fame, and I really respect that.
So basically Pop is inferior to prog, blues is inferior to prog, jazz is inferior to prog, classical is inferior to prog........................I'm finished man, you clearly have an extremely limited view of music. But if that's what makes you happy, then more power to you, I'll still enjoy Prog, Classical, Blues, Jazz, Pop and yes even some Rap from time to time. :)
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Don't get me started with blues and jazz.
Oh believe me, I'm getting you started.
What do you have against blues and jazz??
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I agree with FII and TOT. OVM might have had a direction, but didn't really confine itself to a certain sound. And the rest of the albums were of course written with a history behind them, but don't really sound alike at all.
What about blues artists? Or jazz artists? Or classical composers?
...Don't get me started with blues and jazz. Classical is ok since at least the instrumentation is very wide.
And Ravenheart -- it limits and constrains the musical potential.
The thing is, music is very purpose-driven. I don't really take much issue with any music form on it's own. But I take issue with pop artists because it seems like their purpose is to get famous. So to me, it seems like they compromise their musical integrity to reach that end. Whereas lots of other artists write from the heart without too much concern over money and fame, and I really respect that.
So basically Pop is inferior to prog, blues is inferior to prog, jazz is inferior to prog, classical is inferior to prog........................I'm finished man, you clearly have an extremely limited view of music. But if that's what makes you happy, then more power to you, I'll still enjoy Prog, Classical, Blues, Jazz, Pop and yes even some Rap from time to time. :)
But...why are you getting that from what I'm saying? It's not like I'm a genre snob. I just like music that calls upon the resources it needs to achieve an honest purpose. It's not just that I only listen to prog...that is not even true.
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I agree with FII and TOT. OVM might have had a direction, but didn't really confine itself to a certain sound. And the rest of the albums were of course written with a history behind them, but don't really sound alike at all.
What about blues artists? Or jazz artists? Or classical composers?
...Don't get me started with blues and jazz. Classical is ok since at least the instrumentation is very wide.
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And Ravenheart -- it limits and constrains the musical potential.
Well, that's stupid. It's already been pointed out how DT willingly and happily narrow their range of musical diversity.
And diversity is largely irrelevant if the music isn't good. An album filled to the brim with different genres and ideas means absolutely nothing if they're not brought together in a way that good songs are concocted.
The thing is, music is very purpose-driven. I don't really take much issue with any music form on it's own. But I take issue with pop artists because it seems like their purpose is to get famous. So to me, it seems like they compromise their musical integrity to reach that end. Whereas lots of other artists write from the heart without too much concern over money and fame, and I really respect that.
This has nothing to do with anything. A good song is a good song. A bad song is a bad song.
It's silly to care. Again, why do you care at all? Nothing is going to change. The music industry hasn't changed at all in the regard of fabricating pop stars, nor will it ever.
Your view of music is very, very limited, and it's kind of sad, to be honest.
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It's not like I'm a genre snob.
Yes. Yes, you are. Very much so.
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Don't get me started with blues and jazz.
Oh believe me, I'm getting you started.
What do you have against blues and jazz??
...speaking of musicians that limit their options....
What is with you guys anyway? I'm not freaking dissing pop. I'm just dissing this factory system that has produced these hit-driven musicians who are praised more for what they look like than what they sound like. The soul is GONE.
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It's not like I'm a genre snob.
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Don't get me started with blues and jazz.
Oh believe me, I'm getting you started.
What do you have against blues and jazz??
...speaking of musicians that limit their options....
That has no reflection on the quality of the music.
What is with you guys anyway? I'm not freaking dissing pop. I'm just dissing this factory system that has produced these hit-driven musicians who are praised more for what they look like than what they sound like. The soul is GONE.
That's the way the music industry has always been.
This is so easy to understand...
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That's the way the music industry has always been.
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memberH, we are spoonfeeding this to you and you still don't understand...
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memberH, we are spoonfeeding this to you and you still don't understand...
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That's the way the music industry has always been.
This is so easy to understand...
??? Obviously?
But that doesn't make it right. And Gaga is the ideal product of the assembly line. Which is the premise of all the things I'm saying. I feel like you guys are thinking I'm saying something I'm not.
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It's not like I'm a genre snob.
Well then, stop slapping all kinds of labels on genres.
...speaking of musicians that limit their options....
Support your argument. Please. I'm actually pretty curious now.
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That's the way the music industry has always been.
This is so easy to understand...
??? Obviously?
But that doesn't make it right. And Gaga is the ideal product of the assembly line. Which is the premise of all the things I'm saying. I feel like you guys are thinking I'm saying something I'm not.
You're not saying anything. We all figured it out a long, long time ago. The difference is, most of us realize it's silly to care.
Some of us also have the ability to listen to more genres than prog.
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Gaga is the ideal product of the assembly line.
Actually, she isn't. But this is:
here's the basic layout I have in my mind:
1) Intro ~ 30 seconds
2) Chorus (acoustic) ~ 30 seconds
3) Verse ~ 30 seconds
4) Chorus (electric) ~ 30 seconds
5) Guitar solo (based on chorus melody) ~ 30 seconds
6) Chorus (electric, possible key change) ~ 30 seconds
7) Chorus (acoustic) ~ 30 seconds
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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BAM!
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Funny I should find this forum while I'm listening to her new album. A mi me gusta Lady GaGa. The other day I found out my brother is in love with her. He digs her look, thinks it's hot. Specially her song "I Like it Rough".
Otherwise, I'm not even starting whatever it was before Degenerate's amazing input.
Lady Gaga = :heart
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One of my bands told me that we are going to record a metal version of Poker Face, I was totally against the idea on principle. Then I downloaded the song (legally through Itunes) and learned it. It's actually really catchy and fun. I re-wrote the drumming and made it metal/proggy, but the song itself its very well written.
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I downloaded the new album from amazon for a dollar the other day. Listening now. It's pretty good. :tup
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I downloaded the new album from amazon for a dollar the other day. Listening now. It's pretty good. :tup
tell that to john petrucci you fucking sheep god jeez
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I was listening to this album but then I only made it half way through the first song because there was not enough metal.
Needs more unnecessary overdrawn solos.
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I was listening to this album but then I only made it half way through the first song because there was not enough metal.
Needs more unnecessary overdrawn solos.
Good man.
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:rollin :rollin
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That guy's not very good at planking...
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Jim Carrey = Ħ
Jeff Daniels = everyone else in this thread
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You don't know how long I've been waiting for an opportunity to use that same picture. :lol
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Don't get me started with blues and jazz.
Oh believe me, I'm getting you started.
What do you have against blues and jazz??
...speaking of musicians that limit their options....
What is with you guys anyway? I'm not freaking dissing pop. I'm just dissing this factory system that has produced these hit-driven musicians who are praised more for what they look like than what they sound like. The soul is GONE.
How do you determine which artists have 'soul' and which ones don't?
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The new album is still growing on me.
I don't think she's ever going to be able to top The Fame. Every song on there except Brown Eyes is pure gold.
The Fame Monster, not so much, though I do like the video for Telephone. That's about it for that one.
So far this new one is really reeking of "did I push *this* button yet?" and I hate that, because the more I see and read of her in interviews and whatnot, the more talented I think she actually is.
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I don't think she's ever going to be able to top The Fame. Every song on there except Brown Eyes is pure gold.
I agree. Brown Eyes is shit.
:neverusethis:
In all honesty, I do agree with you. Brown Eyes is the only bad song on that record.
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Hey guys. What's Lady Gaga's favorite type of tomato?
Ra Ra Roma Ma-a :rolltard:
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Hey guys. What's Lady Gaga's favorite type of tomato?
Ra Ra Roma Ma-a :rolltard:
:lol
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The new album is still growing on me.
I don't think she's ever going to be able to top The Fame. Every song on there except Brown Eyes is pure gold.
The Fame Monster, not so much, though I do like the video for Telephone. That's about it for that one.
So far this new one is really reeking of "did I push *this* button yet?" and I hate that, because the more I see and read of her in interviews and whatnot, the more talented I think she actually is.
I couldnt agree more.
The Fame Monster >>>>>>>>>>>> Born This Way >> The Fame
The Fame Monster is my favourite pop record ever (though admittedly an EP). Teeth is a bit meh, the rest is golden.
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Teeth is a bit meh, the rest is golden.
Huh? Maybe I'd feel differently now (I haven't listened in a while) but I remember that one being one of my favorites! Really groovy...
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Don't get me started with blues and jazz.
Oh believe me, I'm getting you started.
What do you have against blues and jazz??
...speaking of musicians that limit their options....
what
the
FUCK
kind of jazz have you been listening to? Kenny G?
go listen to Charles Mingus's Track C – Group Dancers (Soul Fusion) Freewoman and Oh, This Freedom's Slave Cries
and John Coltrane
and Miles Davis
and Ornette Coleman
and stop embarrassing yourself
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So, who's seen the Judas video? It's pretty cool. Good song. And Gaga actually looks like a human in it.
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Hey guys. What's Lady Gaga's favorite type of tomato?
Ra Ra Roma Ma-a :rolltard:
:lol
that's fuckin terrible :lol
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Don't get me started with blues and jazz.
You just took the level of fail to unwanted levels.
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So, who's seen the Judas video? It's pretty cool. Good song. And Gaga actually looks like a human in it.
Have you seen the video snips they played over and over on Fuse during their Gaga-athon last week I think it was, of her with no crazy makeup and her long natural brown hair and her keyboard in a NY club?
The fact she's a piano.. well not prodigy but, she's been trained on piano and loved it since she was a child does say a lot. I'm not surprised she went to a good music school, either.
edit -- lemme quote wikipedia for those people, like me, who like it rough... I mean, easy. :neverusethis:
Lady Gaga was born Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta on March 28, 1986, in New York City,[10] the eldest child of Italian American Joseph Germanotta, an internet entrepreneur, and Cynthia (née Bissett).[11] She is left-handed[12] and began learning to play piano aged four, went on to write her first piano ballad at 13 and began performing at open mike nights by age 14.[13] Gaga was raised a Roman Catholic.[14] At the age of 11, Gaga attended Convent of the Sacred Heart, a private all-girls Roman Catholic school on Manhattan's Upper East Side,[15][16] but has stressed that she does not come from a wealthy background, saying that her parents "both came from lower-class families, so we've worked for everything—my mother worked eight to eight out of the house, in telecommunications, and so did my father."[17]
An avid actor in high school musicals, Gaga portrayed lead roles as Adelaide in Guys and Dolls and Philia in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum.[18] She described her academic life in high school as "very dedicated, very studious, very disciplined" but also "a bit insecure" as she told in an interview, "I used to get made fun of for being either too provocative or too eccentric, so I started to tone it down. I didn't fit in, and I felt like a freak."[19][20] Acquaintances dispute that she did not fit in at school. "She had a core group of friends; she was a good student. She liked boys a lot, but singing was No. 1," recalled a former high school classmate.[21]
At age 17 Gaga gained early admission to the New York University's Tisch School of the Arts and lived in a NYU dorm on 11th Street. There she studied music and improved her songwriting skills by composing essays and analytical papers focusing on topics such as art, religion, social issues and politics.[13][22] Gaga wrote a thesis on pop artists Spencer Tunick and Damien Hirst; research that prepared her for her future career focus in "music, art, sex and celebrity."[23] Gaga felt that she was more creative than some of her classmates. "Once you learn how to think about art, you can teach yourself," she said. By the second semester of her sophomore year, she withdrew from the school to focus on her musical career.[24] Her father agreed to pay her rent for a year, on the condition that she re-enroll at Tisch if she was unsuccessful. "I left my entire family, got the cheapest apartment I could find, and ate shit until somebody would listen," she said.[18]
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whoa wiki has a pic of her that's not how you often see her, as well. cool. :hat
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OMG, autocorrect saves the day for a change. :rollin :rollin
Gaga was in the process of trying to come up with a stage name when she received a text message from Fusari that read "Lady Gaga."[30] He explained,
Every day, when Stef came to the studio, instead of saying hello, I would start singing 'Radio Ga Ga'. That was her entrance song. [Lady Gaga] was actually a glitch; I typed 'Radio Ga Ga' in a text and it did an autocorrect so somehow 'Radio' got changed to 'Lady'. She texted me back, "That's it." After that day, she was Lady Gaga.[27] She's like, "Don't ever call me Stefani again."[30]
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Hey guys, sorry for being such a stickler recently. I've just been in a bad mood. I decided to give the first album a listen, opening my mind as much as possible. I also watched the accompanying music videos. Will post my thoughts up shortly.
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You won't like it. We already know that.
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Hey guys, sorry for being such a stickler recently. I've just been in a bad mood. I decided to give the first album a listen, opening my mind as much as possible. I also watched the accompanying music videos. Will post my thoughts up shortly.
I don't think you were being much of a stickler, really. I hope you like it, and if not, that's cool. I can certainly understand one's reason for not liking her. She's actually been particularly getting on my nerves a lot as of recently.
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So far....
Just Dance: This wasn't really my thing. I guess it is a song that is really meant for clubs where you can feel the beat throbbing through you. But I'm not really a club guy, so......
LoveGame: As I said before, I don't really think this is an especially deep song. I mean, it's about sex. And sex sells. This song is probably THE reason I'm predisposed to disliking Gaga, so I'm glad to get it out of the way. Anyway, moving on. :)
Paparazzi: You know, this wasn't half bad. I actually thought it was kind of lovely.
As for the videos, they were...not my thing. They seemed very image/dance/sex-oriented, and I guess I like videos that are more psychedelic and cynical like PT's. But at least there was some variety between the videos.
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LoveGame: As I said before, I don't really think this is an especially deep song. I mean, it's about sex. And sex sells.
No, it's not a deep song. I don't think it was meant to be a deep song. Personally, I don't really care if it's deep when it's not even supposed to be. Sure, there's no poetic masterwork or epic, emotional thing going on but I find it a very fun listen all the same.
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Please skip Brown Eyes. It just isn't any good, we all know it already. No need for you to suffer through her attempt at a slow song.
edit -- PS think of all her stuff as something playing in a club. It can't be fairly compared to anything else (it's not deep, the lyrics aren't great, etc).
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Please skip Brown Eyes. It just isn't any good, we all know it already. No need for you to suffer through her attempt at a slow song.
This is true!
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Oh wow. Everything after Poker Face is a hundred times better than the stuff before it.
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^You Are correct sir!
Personal favorites include "Eh Eh (Nothing I Can Say)", "I Like it Rough" and "Paper Gangsta"
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Ok here's what i understand about the music industry. I recently discovered the band Metric. They make pop music but it's like indie rock/ 80's new wave pop. I got their newest album. It's a WAY better album then the new Lady Gaga album but no one gives a shit. That makes me :'(
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My personal preferences should obviously be the norm in the music industry, after all, doesn't the world revolve around me?
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No reason to be a dick about it. I was merely asking the question, why is someone who writes great original pop songs not famous while lady gaga is? I don't get it. Listen to fantasies and listen to the new lady gaga album.
Also i LOVE great pop song writing. That's why i'm a huge fan of Max martin, that dude is the king of great pop songs. After watching that Lady gaga concert, i gained respect for her political message but musically i think i lost respect. Shit was terrible.
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No reason to be a dick about it. I was merely asking the question, why is someone who writes great original pop songs not famous while lady gaga is? I don't get it. Listen to fantasies and listen to the new lady gaga album.
Marketing.
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Ok here's what i understand about the music industry. I recently discovered the band Metric. They make pop music but it's like indie rock/ 80's new wave pop. I got their newest album. It's a WAY better album then the new Lady Gaga album but no one gives a shit. That makes me :'(
Way better?
Opinions, how do they work?
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i like some of gaga's music, to a certain degree. the fact that she's a musician, and actually writes some of the music she sings also increases my respect for her.
that being said, she's also a total wackjob.
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The beginning of Judas is so completely the same as the beginning of Bad Romance (you know the part I mean, anyone who's ever heard them both)... .I just can't get past that. Drives me nuts.
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Pretty sure she writes just about all her music. She also spent years as an in-house songwriter for a label and wrote some BS and NKOTB songs that were hits, among other things/artists.
Having already served as an apprentice songwriter under an internship at Famous Music Publishing, which was later acquired by Sony/ATV Music Publishing, Gaga subsequently struck a music publishing deal with Sony/ATV.[41]
As a result, she was hired to write songs for Britney Spears and labelmates New Kids on the Block, Fergie, and the Pussycat Dolls.[41]
While Gaga was writing at Interscope, singer-songwriter Akon recognized her vocal abilities when she sang a reference vocal for one of his tracks in studio.[42] He then convinced Interscope-Geffen-A&M Chairman and CEO Jimmy Iovine to form a joint deal by having her also sign with his own label Kon Live Distribution[26] and later called her his "franchise player."[43]
Gaga continued her collaboration with RedOne in the recording studio for a week on her debut album[41] and also joined the roster of Cherrytree Records, an Interscope imprint established by producer and songwriter Martin Kierszenbaum, after co-writing four songs with Kierszenbaum including the single "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)".[41]
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PS - anyone see the interview where she talks about how Iron Maiden changed her life?
Anyway, I didn't find that quote/video yet but this is related:
According to Mirror.co.uk, pop superstar Lady Gaga is such a huge fan of British heavy metal legends Iron Maiden that she helped the band backstage during their Florida tour stop.
The singer appointed herself an unofficial roadie for a couple of dates of Iron Maiden's "The Final Frontier" world tour, helping out on the tour bus with chores such as ironing and serving drinks.
"It's a side to Gaga we've never seen. She is a massive Iron Maiden fan and was willing to be at their beck and call, just to hang out with her idols", a source told Mirror.co.uk.
"She was humming along to their hit 'The Number Of The Beast' while carrying out her chores. And after all her hard work backstage she was rewarded with some drinking games."
edit -- :lol something about this struck me funny --
"Are you kidding? I'm the biggest Black Sabbath fan on Earth!" She even told Seacrest a story about how when she was a go-go dancer, one of her show-stopping numbers was to the Sabbath tune "Black Sabbath".
Lady Gaga reveals her two favorite songs to dance to: Black Sabbath's "Black Sabbath" and Iron Maiden's "Run To The Hills".
edit 2 -- when I google "lady gaga iron maiden quote" and click "videos", the fourth result is a rickroll. :lol wtf
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That's pretty badass :metal
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How do you dance to the song 'Black Sabbath'? :lol
I guess it picks up the pace at 'Is it the end my friend' so it's remotely danceable :P
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Well if anyone is interested, this is a good article into the sound of Lady Gaga...
https://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/01/28/the-man-behind-lady-gaga/
Grammys 2010: The Man Behind Lady Gaga
By John Jurgensen
Producer RedOne, who has worked with Lady Gaga.
Behind most every successful pop singer there is a producer–or multiple producers, more likely–who help craft the artist’s melodies, build their beats and put a polish on their tracks. For Lady Gaga, who airwaves, screens and sales charts in the last year, the producer key to her futuristic dance sound was RedOne, a Los Angeles resident from Morocco by way of Sweden. When he met Gaga in 2007 she was an unsigned artist and he was struggling to launch his production career in the United States. Now, he’s up for five Grammy awards this Sunday night. From London, where he was in the recording studio with singer Kylie Minogue, RedOne spoke about Gaga’s musical formula, working with Michael Jackson and why the producer almost bailed on the U.S. (For a story on Lady Gaga go here.)
The Wall Street Journal: How has Lady Gaga’s success changed things for you?
It changed my life and her life in a major way. I had been working non-stop for 14 years. When I met Gaga all those 14 years made sense. Now it’s become much easier to work with anyone I want to work with. But I’m trying to be smart. I want to do the right thing and work with artists who will make my music history look better, instead of doing hundreds of projects to make money. You try to learn from other peoples’ mistakes.
How did you and Gaga come together?
I’d been trying for so many years. I had success in Europe and with the [2006 theme music for] the World Cup. Since I didn’t have a big name in the U.S. nobody would work with me. I had been working with unsigned artists. I didn’t want to do that anymore. My manager called me and wanted me to meet this girl. I said, “Is she signed?” “No, she just got dropped [from record label Def Jam].” She had glasses on. She said, “Hey, Lady Gaga.” I had no idea how she sounded, but just looking at her had me curious. We jumped in a cab and on our way to the studio and she came up with “Boys Boys Boys.” We went to the studio and wrote that the first day. We just connected and connected.
For casual listeners, we can hear that pop radio sounds different, thanks in part to her, but it’s hard to say what it is exactly.
We did rock songs with synths. Sonically, the way the tracks are built they’re almost like rock songs. I kept the energy of those big drums, but instead of doing the hooks on the guitar I just did them with futuristic sounds. On YouTube you can find all these versions that rock bands have done, and it works. You can do them with acoustic guitars. Also, my choruses have to open bigger. And don’t forget about the hooks. Hooks in every part of the song. You don’t want to lose the listener at any moment. You want them to memorize it.
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Lady Gaga, doing what she does.
You’re getting hired to put that sound on other artists’ music, yet you don’t want to repeat yourself. How do you balance that?
You want to find what the artist is and mix it in. It’s the artist that sells the song, not me. If I do Akon I can’t do the same production I do for Gaga. But with all of them you get the same feeling: commercial, big and open.
Will you continue to work with Gaga?
We just spoke yesterday. We’re going to get together again and work on the third album. We’re working from now to the end of the summer. Of course if she wants to experiment with another producer she can do it. Like “Paparazzi.” I didn’t do that song and it’s massive. It’s not an ego thing at all. She’s recreated dance music and that’s great for all of us.
You worked with Michael Jackson too, right?
I was working with him in different stages last year in Vegas, before he moved to L.A. We had many ideas and songs, but honestly we never finished any song. We didn’t know he was going to die, so we kept moving from idea to idea. Sometimes he’s singing the chorus, other parts don’t have lyrics. I have the music in my hard drive. If I’m going to release anything it would have to make him proud. The estate has contacted me, but we haven’t finalized anything.
You’ve also been talking to U2?
A few artists that I consider dreams to work with. Michael was one and Bono is another. We spoke and he was an incredible gentleman. I can’t say I worked with U2; he was just advising me to think next level. I have some ideas that I’m going to submit to him.
You’re from Morocco and worked extensively in Sweden. How did that influence your sound?
Europe and Sweden specifically is very melodic. It’s all about the perfection of those parts. Of course I’m from Morocco and African music is very rhythmic. The only songs that you listen to on the radio there are hits, hits, hits. In America it has to be tough. Big drums. They need to feel the power.
My songs have to be lyrically simple and easy to sing along to, even for people in the world who don’t speak English. The moment I’m with a writer who’s using too many words, I say let’s simplify it. Keep the same strength lyrically but strip it down.
Do you get blamed when a song flops?
Sometimes it’s the label that doesn’t push the record. Or sometimes it’s the producer. It’s a blame that everyone has to share together. Now I hear a lot of songs that are trying to sound like my sound. It’s flattering but it puts more pressure on me to step up my sound. If it goes wrong for some other reason at least I did my best.
How much money have you made on Gaga’s music?
I can’t tell you that! It’s unbelievable money. I made enough that I don’t have to stress, you know what I mean? Especially when before I did not have money to pay my rent. I had an air bed for me and my wife, and I was thinking about leaving the U.S. Exactly on New Year’s Eve of 2007, I told my wife I was done here. I’d been trying so long. I broke down and I was crying. And she said, “Now we have nothing to lose. We’ll get a loan from my sister. If it doesn’t happen we’ll go back to Sweden.” She said give it three more months. Then right after that came [pop singer] Kat DeLuna and [former Epic Records president] Charlie Walk. Ah, I could breathe again. Then I’m at Lady Gaga.
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^You Are correct sir!
Personal favorites include "Eh Eh (Nothing I Can Say)"...etc.
she looks smoking in that video. it's like the only vid she looks normal in.
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How do you dance to the song 'Black Sabbath'? :lol
First you need a pole....
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The new album is definitely growing on me. Government Hooker and Americano are excellent tracks. You and I is one of the best pop tracks in recent memory, but it's really a rock song.
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I'm not too keen on Government Hooker, but the rest I agree with
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I'm not too keen on Government Hooker, but the rest I agree with
This.
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PS - anyone see the interview where she talks about how Iron Maiden changed her life?
Anyway, I didn't find that quote/video yet but this is related:
According to Mirror.co.uk, pop superstar Lady Gaga is such a huge fan of British heavy metal legends Iron Maiden that she helped the band backstage during their Florida tour stop.
The singer appointed herself an unofficial roadie for a couple of dates of Iron Maiden's "The Final Frontier" world tour, helping out on the tour bus with chores such as ironing and serving drinks.
"It's a side to Gaga we've never seen. She is a massive Iron Maiden fan and was willing to be at their beck and call, just to hang out with her idols", a source told Mirror.co.uk.
"She was humming along to their hit 'The Number Of The Beast' while carrying out her chores. And after all her hard work backstage she was rewarded with some drinking games."
You know what the crazy thing about this might be? If she was doing that stuff on their Final Frontier tour, at a US tour stop (Florida), then she and DT were probably in the same building at some point. That's just bizarre.
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The real reason MP quit.... lol
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Maybe Mike quit to play for Lady Gaga.
:o
edit: ninjad
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PS - anyone see the interview where she talks about how Iron Maiden changed her life?
Anyway, I didn't find that quote/video yet but this is related:
According to Mirror.co.uk, pop superstar Lady Gaga is such a huge fan of British heavy metal legends Iron Maiden that she helped the band backstage during their Florida tour stop.
The singer appointed herself an unofficial roadie for a couple of dates of Iron Maiden's "The Final Frontier" world tour, helping out on the tour bus with chores such as ironing and serving drinks.
"It's a side to Gaga we've never seen. She is a massive Iron Maiden fan and was willing to be at their beck and call, just to hang out with her idols", a source told Mirror.co.uk.
"She was humming along to their hit 'The Number Of The Beast' while carrying out her chores. And after all her hard work backstage she was rewarded with some drinking games."
You know what the crazy thing about this might be? If she was doing that stuff on their Final Frontier tour, at a US tour stop (Florida), then she and DT were probably in the same building at some point. That's just bizarre.
She's from NYC, so there's no doubt in my mind she knows who DT are at any rate.
She's a pianist, so I think if I ever meet her I"ll ask whether she properly prefers Jordan.
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She's a pianist, so I think if I ever meet her I"ll ask whether she properly prefers Jordan.
That's totally an urban legend. It's been shown over and over again that she actually does NOT have a--oh...I misread that. Never mind. :blush
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Bringing this topic back to life!
Just recently got the new album, jury is still out. Although first judging is not as good as previous.
Anyone know what the translation of "Ich schleiban austa be clair es kumpent madre monstere,
Aust-be aus-can-be flaugen fraulein uske-be clair" is? Thats what a website said are the lyrics in Scheibe.
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"I something something something is something mother monster. something-something-go-can-be something woman something-be something"
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SHE SUCKS BIG TIME!
*Flies away*
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Anyone know what the translation of "Ich schleiban austa be clair es kumpent madre monstere,
Aust-be aus-can-be flaugen fraulein uske-be clair" is? Thats what a website said are the lyrics in Scheibe.
Pretty sure it's mainly gibberish. ''I don't speak german, but I can if you like... / but I wish I could.''
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THE UGLIEST UNICORN HAS RETURNED TO US! :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Anyone know what the translation of "Ich schleiban austa be clair es kumpent madre monstere,
Aust-be aus-can-be flaugen fraulein uske-be clair" is? Thats what a website said are the lyrics in Scheibe.
Pretty sure it's mainly gibberish. ''I don't speak german, but I can if you like... / but I wish I could.''
Ah okay so just German "sounding"
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Casual GaGa fan here. Can't say I'm terribly impressed with the newest album but it's not like the other releases are that consistent. All the different sounds don't work for me, the best tracks tend to be the ones she isn't trying to hard, the best being Judas, Electric Chapel, and Hair which feel more organic. The later being the first "anthem" she's successfully pulled off. Why they choose to promote the super bland Born This Way over that I'll never know.
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Just popping in to say The Fame Monster narrowly missed out on my Top 10 of the 2000s submission. That is all, little monsters.