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Title: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 13, 2010, 05:48:35 AM
Since people are (still) talking about Mike everywhere, I figured it'd be best to have a thread for him, just as any other non-DT artist would have their own thread. Those of us who want to follow Mike's career outside DT can talk about it all in one place, rather than in every thread where he might or might not be mentioned. Like any appreciation thread, please keep negativity out of it. I don't mind discussing controversial news related to DT or A7X, but let's keep from giving Mike our usual armchair psychoanalysis.

Mods, if this isn't a good idea, just merge what I have to say here in the A7X thread.

Personally, at the moment I'm very interested in this:

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2619687.aspx
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The following was posted on DBN (A7X's DTF)
 
According LadiesOfVengenz/TheWildRide who met Mike Portnoy at his Sam Ash signing in Las Vegas this evening the show last night at The Joint was his last show with Avenged Sevenfold. Rumor goes as is:

    “The Wild Ride was at the signing. Rachel and I commented on the show and Mike’s response was “Thanks, that was my last show with the guys”.

NOTE: Please remember that THIS IS ONLY A RUMOR unless Mike Portnoy or Avenged Sevenfold confirm it themselves. I’ve been unable to get confirmation from Avenged Sevenfold’s camp. This is all the information that’s been said. I’ve been told this by multiple people today but take it with a grain of salt until otherwise stated.
 
I HOPE TO GOD THIS ISNT TRUE

Now that "rumor" alone is nothing to really read much into, but it comes coupled with this:

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/statuses/14250134065909762
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There's alot of things going on in my life I wish I could openly & honestly talk about at the moment, but cannot...but when I can, I will..

What do you guys think?

I seriously hope everything with Mike is OK. That Twitter quote makes me think something might be wrong- and not necessarily just with A7X.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 13, 2010, 06:12:27 AM
he fell off the wagon lol.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 13, 2010, 06:15:08 AM
Who?

He's said before he'll be touring with them past January, in Europe maybe?  He might've meant their last US show.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: SPNKr on December 13, 2010, 06:16:25 AM
What is an Mike Portnoy? ???
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Moonchild on December 13, 2010, 06:56:25 AM
INVENTORY  >:(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Zydar on December 13, 2010, 07:02:14 AM
I'm more curious about that tweet than the A7X thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on December 13, 2010, 07:07:33 AM
I'm more curious about that tweet than the A7X thing.

This

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 13, 2010, 07:10:13 AM
Hope its not what I'm thinking. If it is, then thats just a real bummer. But then, maybe its just a thing he wants to talk about but can't until maybe....the new drummer is announced.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 13, 2010, 08:19:50 AM
Maybe he's talking about his two projects with Neal Morse? That would seem to keep him busy, and rumor has it that Mike is recording this week in Nashville with Neal for his Testimony 2 album, so flying from Las Vegas to Nashville and then recording a whole album...that's quite a lot to do. Then there's that Morse/Morse/LaRue thing he's doing, so if that isn't already done, then he'll have that to do in the coming months.

I hope it's not anything related to his past vices, or even worse, family trouble... perhaps he is just concerned about the hype surrounding the new DT drummer? I would be to, to be honest...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: emindead on December 13, 2010, 09:37:30 AM
I'm more curious about that tweet than the A7X thing.

This


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: rumborak on December 13, 2010, 11:59:19 AM
Yeah, the tweet is definitely ominous. Then again, he's also wont to spice things up a bit for the sake of publicity. So, it's hard to tell.

If he fell of the bandwagon I could only shake my head. You don't join a party band if you're at risk of relapsing.

rumborak
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Nick on December 13, 2010, 12:02:51 PM
Be interesting to see where this goes, but I get the feeling it will be good/exciting news coming from MP's camp.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 13, 2010, 12:08:01 PM
As much as Mike is wont to blow things out of proportion or try to draw attention to himself, I doubt he'd post a tweet like that if he fell off the wagon.  Or got on the wagon.  Or interacted with a wagon in any way that made him uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 13, 2010, 12:08:39 PM
Maybe he's talking about his two projects with Neal Morse? That would seem to keep him busy, and rumor has it that Mike is recording this week in Nashville with Neal for his Testimony 2 album, so flying from Las Vegas to Nashville and then recording a whole album...that's quite a lot to do. Then there's that Morse/Morse/LaRue thing he's doing, so if that isn't already done, then he'll have that to do in the coming months.

I hope it's not anything related to his past vices, or even worse, family trouble... perhaps he is just concerned about the hype surrounding the new DT drummer? I would be to, to be honest...

-Marc.

Wait a second. Testimony 2? Please, do you have more info?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Sigz on December 13, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
It definitely sounds a little ominous, but I feel like that's more just due to poor wording than anything seriously wrong. Just a feeling though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Durg on December 13, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
Read further down.  A message from his Marlene.

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Hi everyone, I never post things but I really have to just let everyone know that there are no problems at the home front. Mike and I are great he may not have been home but as a family we traveled almost the entire summer with him, traveled to Europe and I am with him in Vegas. We have been having an amazing time with mike and all this touring. The kids and I have had great times while we were touring with Avenged Sevenfold, they are really fun people to be around and we even took our dogs on tour this summer and the kids brought along some friends, we had a great summer.
I stand behind every decision Mike has made and we always discuss everything together before he does something. He's a great husband, great Dad and also my best friend. Mike doesn't make any decisions that will hurt us as a family or do anything that i disagree with so PLEASE don't think differently. The family is great and so is the relationship between us.
Also, thanks to all the supportive fan that have stood behind Mike through all these crazy months. You guys are awesome!
Marlene
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: KevShmev on December 13, 2010, 12:36:54 PM
If I had to guess, it wouldn't surprise me if he is already had some major internal regret about his decision to leave Dream Theater.  How could he not?  I know he will say he is at peace with his decision, but you don't leave something like that, something you had such a big hand in, and not have many moments of regret, sadness, feelings of loss, etc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 13, 2010, 12:39:50 PM
Yeah, its probably some kind of DT-related regret.  That's good to know.  Sucks that only "the supportive fan" stuck with MP through all this though.  You'd think he'd have more. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: ariich on December 13, 2010, 12:48:47 PM
I'm more curious about that tweet than the A7X thing.
I would imagine that the two are linked to be honest.

Read further down.  A message from his Marlene.

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Hi everyone, I never post things but I really have to just let everyone know that there are no problems at the home front. Mike and I are great he may not have been home but as a family we traveled almost the entire summer with him, traveled to Europe and I am with him in Vegas. We have been having an amazing time with mike and all this touring. The kids and I have had great times while we were touring with Avenged Sevenfold, they are really fun people to be around and we even took our dogs on tour this summer and the kids brought along some friends, we had a great summer.
I stand behind every decision Mike has made and we always discuss everything together before he does something. He's a great husband, great Dad and also my best friend. Mike doesn't make any decisions that will hurt us as a family or do anything that i disagree with so PLEASE don't think differently. The family is great and so is the relationship between us.
Also, thanks to all the supportive fan that have stood behind Mike through all these crazy months. You guys are awesome!
Marlene
That's a big relief to hear that things are fine in his personal life. Could well be some interesting news in that case!

And Joe, no problem with this thread at all; it's a really good idea in fact. Obviously any DT-related stuff should be discussed in the DT board, but you're right that for the rest it's best to have a single thread to discuss it, rather than random threads popping up every now and then! :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 13, 2010, 01:26:48 PM
Maybe he's talking about his two projects with Neal Morse? That would seem to keep him busy, and rumor has it that Mike is recording this week in Nashville with Neal for his Testimony 2 album, so flying from Las Vegas to Nashville and then recording a whole album...that's quite a lot to do. Then there's that Morse/Morse/LaRue thing he's doing, so if that isn't already done, then he'll have that to do in the coming months.

I hope it's not anything related to his past vices, or even worse, family trouble... perhaps he is just concerned about the hype surrounding the new DT drummer? I would be to, to be honest...

-Marc.

Wait a second. Testimony 2? Please, do you have more info?

Not much more. Check out the Neal Morse Thread on here for updates as I (and anyone else) posts them. So far, it was stated in (one of) the latest Neal's Inner Circle Newsletter that he would be doing Testimony 2 sometime soon.
Then earlier last week, someone who is an acquaintance of Randy George's spoke to him on the phone about him leaving to Nashville, presumably to record Testimony 2, the week before Christmas, which would be sometime this week.

Other than that, that's all the information that *I* have at the moment, but if I find out any more (as I scour the Neal Morse boards often, as well as other boards), I'll post it here!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: rumborak on December 13, 2010, 01:32:41 PM
If I had to guess, it wouldn't surprise me if he is already had some major internal regret about his decision to leave Dream Theater.  How could he not?  I know he will say he is at peace with his decision, but you don't leave something like that, something you had such a big hand in, and not have many moments of regret, sadness, feelings of loss, etc.

Oh, absolutely. It somewhat reminds me how I broke up with my last gf. What seemed to me as a sequence of harmless and inconsequential events suddenly conspired together to make the whole thing implode. And before you know it, you're standing in front of a pile of debris and wonder "WTF just happened?". At some point your rational brain kicks in and tells you (correctly) that it was the inevitable and right thing, but nonetheless you're taken aback by the swiftness from hunky-dory to zilch.

rumborak
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 13, 2010, 03:31:48 PM
Maybe he's talking about his two projects with Neal Morse? That would seem to keep him busy, and rumor has it that Mike is recording this week in Nashville with Neal for his Testimony 2 album, so flying from Las Vegas to Nashville and then recording a whole album...that's quite a lot to do. Then there's that Morse/Morse/LaRue thing he's doing, so if that isn't already done, then he'll have that to do in the coming months.

I hope it's not anything related to his past vices, or even worse, family trouble... perhaps he is just concerned about the hype surrounding the new DT drummer? I would be to, to be honest...

-Marc.

Wait a second. Testimony 2? Please, do you have more info?

Not much more. Check out the Neal Morse Thread on here for updates as I (and anyone else) posts them. So far, it was stated in (one of) the latest Neal's Inner Circle Newsletter that he would be doing Testimony 2 sometime soon.
Then earlier last week, someone who is an acquaintance of Randy George's spoke to him on the phone about him leaving to Nashville, presumably to record Testimony 2, the week before Christmas, which would be sometime this week.

Other than that, that's all the information that *I* have at the moment, but if I find out any more (as I scour the Neal Morse boards often, as well as other boards), I'll post it here!

-Marc.


Thanks! Man, I'm interested to hear that!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: TAC on December 13, 2010, 03:47:02 PM
Read further down.  A message from his Marlene.

Quote
Hi everyone, I never post things but I really have to just let everyone know that there are no problems at the home front. Mike and I are great he may not have been home but as a family we traveled almost the entire summer with him, traveled to Europe and I am with him in Vegas. We have been having an amazing time with mike and all this touring. The kids and I have had great times while we were touring with Avenged Sevenfold, they are really fun people to be around and we even took our dogs on tour this summer and the kids brought along some friends, we had a great summer.
I stand behind every decision Mike has made and we always discuss everything together before he does something. He's a great husband, great Dad and also my best friend. Mike doesn't make any decisions that will hurt us as a family or do anything that i disagree with so PLEASE don't think differently. The family is great and so is the relationship between us.
Also, thanks to all the supportive fan that have stood behind Mike through all these crazy months. You guys are awesome!
Marlene

Thanks for the note, and that's a great post by Mrs. MP. No one is wishing him any ill will and this message is comforting amid all of the speculation.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 13, 2010, 04:53:25 PM
From MP's Facebook

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Mike Portnoy: is sad...... : ( It's been a long, exhausting year (both physically and mentally) with many unexpected ups and downs and I think the most valuable lesson for me has been that the only people you can TRULY count on is FAMILY...thank you Marlene, Melody and Max for ALWAYS being there for me....

MAKE IT STOP
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 13, 2010, 05:06:40 PM
Ugh...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Gorille85 on December 13, 2010, 05:08:09 PM
I think he is being pretty selfish to be sad like that. What about the fans? :tdwn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 13, 2010, 05:19:42 PM
more like "fans."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Pyroph on December 13, 2010, 05:22:16 PM
Why can't people just get along?  :'(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: TheVoxyn on December 13, 2010, 05:24:21 PM
Merge this with the 'pathetic facebook status' thread.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: MetalManiac666 on December 13, 2010, 05:25:54 PM
God dammit MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Pyroph on December 13, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
Wonder if this may have anything to do with what Kev said and DT teasing their new drummer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on December 13, 2010, 05:40:14 PM
As time goes from MP leaving DT I'm becoming less interested in the music he'll be releasing and more interested in what he is grumbling about next.

That being said, I'm sure it's a tough thing to deal with (leaving DT). With time I'm sure it'll be better.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: SPNKr on December 13, 2010, 05:55:15 PM
Merge this with the 'pathetic facebook status' thread.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 13, 2010, 05:59:58 PM
I don't think there's anything wrong with hiim saying he's "sad" honestly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: rumborak on December 13, 2010, 06:02:59 PM
I actually don't care much about whatever emotional state he's in on a minute-by-minute basis. What bothers me is the jab at DT. I mean, it's in character, he did the same with KM, but still...

rumborak
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 13, 2010, 06:03:22 PM
Of course not.  Nothings wrong with him saying this year has been crazy.  But when he makes that stupid "the only ones you can trust are your family" just makes me groan.  Its the same kind of cryptic sad/angry message that a 15-year-old will direct at someone.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 13, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
How do we know it's a jab at DT? Maybe he was expecting-- and anticipating-- and invitation from A7X and that didn't materialize?  Maybe he's talking about Wilson/Adkerfeldt which, justifiably or not, he thought he was going to be a part of. Maybe he's talking about all three. The point is, we don't know until we know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: rumborak on December 13, 2010, 06:06:44 PM
The only ones you can count on, PC. Meaning, none of the others can be counted on.

Who knows. Maybe he got canned by A7X too. Wouldn't be surprised to be honest, the whole DT breakup has drawn a lot of attention to MP, a guy who should have been quietly behind his kit letting A7X shine. I can't imagine A7X being too happy about being dragged into that.

rumborak
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 13, 2010, 06:12:30 PM
While I'm not sure if I were in his shoes that I would take a statement like that to facebook, I don't see what's wrong with it. I'm pretty sure he was counting on DT more-or-less going along with his program, and they didn't. And now he's sad about that. I think this was inevitable.

But honestly, family being the ONLY people you can count on isn't any kind of bizarre statement. It's just common knowledge.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: SPNKr on December 13, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
I just think it's bullshit the way he said it, and it makes him look stupid because the whole world can see this statement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: blackngold29 on December 13, 2010, 06:29:02 PM
Somebody on twitter: "Do you think DT will announce MP as their 'new' drummer?"

It would certainly be a surprise.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: 73109 on December 13, 2010, 06:30:42 PM
Somebody on twitter: "Do you think DT will announce MP as their 'new' drummer?"

It would certainly be a surprise.

Aerosmith did that a few months ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 13, 2010, 06:33:39 PM
That's not happening.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: rumborak on December 13, 2010, 06:34:44 PM
It better not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 13, 2010, 06:35:16 PM
Yeah. And if you thought it was going to, I think this recent fb post should make it pretty clear.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: robwebster on December 13, 2010, 06:55:58 PM
But honestly, family being the ONLY people you can count on isn't any kind of bizarre statement. It's just common knowledge.
No, but saying that he learnt it over the course of this particularly exhausting year implies that there are some people he thought he could count on, but couldn't.  Bit like if I said "Having a crap year at uni - starting to think my friends from back home might be the only people I can count on."  Not outright stated anything, but it majorly implies there's something wrong with my friends at uni.  It's a loaded statement, for sure.  Not necessarily controversial, but loaded.

My guess? Kinda think A7X might've let him go.

(N.B. Not having a crap year, btw, and my friends from uni are dead trustworthy so wahey.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: LCArenas on December 13, 2010, 06:56:46 PM
My guess? Kinda think A7X might've let him go.
This.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: chrisbDTM on December 13, 2010, 06:59:05 PM
i definitely can see a7x dumping him and MP being pissed about it
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: blackngold29 on December 13, 2010, 07:08:26 PM
That's not happening.
They'll announce some name that nobody's ever heard of and then it'll just be Mike wearing one of those big nose/glasses/mustache combos.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: LCArenas on December 13, 2010, 07:11:38 PM
That's not happening.
They'll announce some name that nobody's ever heard of and then it'll just be Mike wearing one of those big nose/glasses/mustache combos.
:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Probably way off but this is how I see it :

Hey guys lets split up for a year or two while I go and play with loads of other bands


um no - we want to carry on thanks


fine - ill quit, then you'll have no choice but to break up because as everyone knows i did all the work anyway.


ok bye - ps we got a new drummer and we're doing great actually.


Fuck you guys - you carried on without me even though it was my decision to leave ?


:| uh wut?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Samsara on December 13, 2010, 08:28:39 PM
For the love of God, MP, stop posting whiny shit on social media. Sure, it is your right to go ahead and do it, but dude, whether you like it or not, you're a public figure. People are going to talk and speculate on EVERYTHING you write publicly.

Do yourself, your fans and your family a favor, and if you must vent, call up a friend, write lyrics for a song, work out, hit your drums, throw darts and photos of Kip Winger (that was for you, bosk1), whatever. But stay off the Internet. Did you not learn anything from the past few months?

 :facepalm:

Here's hoping MP gets himself sorted out soon, because this is getting old.


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 13, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
My guess? Kinda think A7X might've let him go.
This.

It's quite possible. Especially with how "busy" Mike seems to be with Neal Morse lately (two projects? Really? A lot for someone who's spent a year touring...)... maybe the A7X guys realized how busy Mike's going to be, and felt that perhaps this really was just temporary?

I thought A7X were touring into next year after a winter break anyway? Or did I read that wrong somewhere? I had read somewhere that MP was going to tour with them for the rest of the tour, or was that only for the European Leg (which recently ended)?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: glaurung on December 13, 2010, 10:11:56 PM
I know about the Steve Morse, MP, Neal Morse, and Dave LaRue project, but what's this other project with Neal that people are talking about?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 13, 2010, 10:13:11 PM
Testimony 2
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: glaurung on December 13, 2010, 10:14:21 PM
Oh, I'm not familiar with Neal's solo stuff so I guess the name didn't catch my eye.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Gorille85 on December 13, 2010, 10:15:55 PM
and my friends from uni are dead
:(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: tri.ad on December 13, 2010, 11:54:39 PM
Reading some of the posts here, I don't see this thread lasting long.

Also, I'm not surprised in the slightest that his recent FB/Twitter posts ooze regret and animosity. However, I think that those little, pseudo-opaque jabs aren't necessary.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: ariich on December 14, 2010, 02:12:38 AM
Good lord, do you guys really hate MP so much that if he makes a post about feeling sad you have to shit all over him yet again? Frankly if you're not going to contribute anything other than "stop whining MP" then you should stay out of this thread.

Obviously something has happened, possibly it was getting dropped from A7X, or if it's true that he's no longer playing with them then maybe it's something external that has led to to that being the case. Either way, whatever it was has clearly left MP feeling let down, hence his status. It is a massive stretch to suggest that it's a jab at DT, and it makes it very clear that those reading it that way are basing their opinions on their own preconceptions. This is a thread for MP news and discussion, not nonsense speculation.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: ZKX-2099 on December 14, 2010, 02:14:59 AM
I hope hes gonna be on the next A7X tour...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 14, 2010, 02:52:26 AM
Good lord, do you guys really hate MP so much that if he makes a post about feeling sad you have to shit all over him yet again? Frankly if you're not going to contribute anything other than "stop whining MP" then you should stay out of this thread.

Obviously something has happened, possibly it was getting dropped from A7X, or if it's true that he's no longer playing with them then maybe it's something external that has led to to that being the case. Either way, whatever it was has clearly left MP feeling let down, hence his status. It is a massive stretch to suggest that it's a jab at DT, and it makes it very clear that those reading it that way are basing their opinions on their own preconceptions. This is a thread for MP news and discussion, not nonsense speculation.

Yeah, I almost thought of renaming the thread. This is an appreciation thread.  I don't mind discussing Mike's updates and stuff too, but I'd like things to remain positive.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation Thread
Post by: ariich on December 14, 2010, 03:02:06 AM
Yeah. It's not like it needs to be just an appreciation thread; some back and forth discussion is a lot more interest. But this barrage of abuse directed towards MP is just silly.

Anyway I guess we'll find out what's going on eventually, but I wonder what it is. They've confirmed no family problems, so it could well be that something has led to him being no longer able to play with A7X, but other than them dropping him I can't think what else it would be...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 14, 2010, 05:47:40 AM
Okay, I changed the name to appreciation/discussion. Hopefully this is more than appreciation, but I'd like to see less animosity.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: emindead on December 14, 2010, 06:44:18 AM
But honestly, family being the ONLY people you can count on isn't any kind of bizarre statement. It's just common knowledge.
FFS, THIS!

This is like a universal statement. Why do people have to act surprise when MP didn't includ them under his wing on his last comment? JESUS!

Also, for the fun part of speculation, I'm guessing that he has now gathered with the DT members and the lawyers to sign the last details and amendments to the contract. This can be very hard.

Yeah, the tweet is definitely ominous.

You can also say it is unheimlich!

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: volwrath on December 14, 2010, 07:48:27 AM
I think mpkept posting all this melodramatic crap andA7X said we are supposed to be a hard core metal band and we don't need this all this whiny shit going on, so they canned him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 14, 2010, 08:00:25 AM
Portnoy is such an attention whore. That's all this boils down to, really.

Right now he should be in "I'm going to STFU for a while and only post things that would make even nuns think I'm a great guy" mode, and he's been much better about keeping quiet, but he still can't help himself.

Your family are the only people you can count on, Mike? Great. So why are you always trying to plead your case to us?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 14, 2010, 08:20:31 AM
Portnoy is such an attention whore. That's all this boils down to, really.

Right now he should be in "I'm going to STFU for a while and only post things that would make even nuns think I'm a great guy" mode, and he's been much better about keeping quiet, but he still can't help himself.

Your family are the only people you can count on, Mike? Great. So why are you always trying to plead your case to us?
Really? You're attacking someone for exaggerating and hyperbolising when they're feeling down? Pretty sure the vast majority of people do it, yet when MP does he's being an attention whore. :/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: volwrath on December 14, 2010, 08:25:07 AM
Portnoy is such an attention whore. That's all this boils down to, really.

Really? You're attacking someone for exaggerating and hyperbolising when they're feeling down? Pretty sure the vast majority of people do it, yet when MP does he's being an attention whore. :/

Ha well in all honesty Mike has always been an attention whore :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 14, 2010, 08:29:45 AM
Personally I always felt that he was sort of one too.  Just one of his faults.  He's a very spirited and emotional man, and that can some times lead to be the reason that he attracts and generates negative attention like this, but that is also the reason we still love him so much. 

I do think he is acting very childish here though.  His temper is obviously still flaring (for a reason, I'm sure) and he should stay off the internet until it has simmered down.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 14, 2010, 08:31:33 AM
Ha well in all honesty Mike has always been an attention whore :)
Well yeah, there's no denying that. :lol But still, he's barely posted anything in weeks that wasn't excited, grateful or optimistic sounding, and he makes one post about feeling sad and everyone jumps on him for it. It's like people have nothing better to do than bitch about him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 14, 2010, 08:51:59 AM
Ha well in all honesty Mike has always been an attention whore :)
Well yeah, there's no denying that. :lol But still, he's barely posted anything in weeks that wasn't excited, grateful or optimistic sounding, and he makes one post about feeling sad and everyone jumps on him for it. It's like people have nothing better to do than bitch about him.

Absolutely. Like I said, he has been so much better about it the past while. And I understand it's human nature to want to put your feeling out there.

But I think the best thing for him right now is to be 100% quiet on the internet. And I think he knows it too. But he just can't help seeking that attention.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 14, 2010, 08:59:26 AM
As I said earlier, its fine if he wants to post that he's sad and its been a tumultuous year.  I can understand that.  Its the little "the only people you can really trust" passive-aggressive thing that gets on my nerves.  He has been good about keeping the angst off the Internet for a bit (though it seems like just yesterday that he was banning discussion of the JLB tour from his site), and I guess its just that disappointed feeling after a relapse or something.  I dunno.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on December 14, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
 :chill

Hope Mike doesn't resort to the grog. . .
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: EPICVIEW on December 14, 2010, 12:04:28 PM
as always I wish Mike happiness.. he's a good guy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: LCArenas on December 14, 2010, 02:00:02 PM
Personally I always felt that he was sort of one too.  Just one of his faults.  He's a very spirited and emotional man, and that can some times lead to be the reason that he attracts and generates negative attention like this, but that is also the reason we still love him so much. 

I do think he is acting very childish here though.  His temper is obviously still flaring (for a reason, I'm sure) and he should stay off the internet until it has simmered down.
Every single word of this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 14, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
That guy who wrote an open letter to Mike finally got banned. The thing that's interesting about it is Wey posted something about Mike's stress and how we have "no idea" until he tells us, but he also said it's not about sobriety or any family issues.

I really hope things haven't hit rock bottom with DT or A7X.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 14, 2010, 06:59:07 PM
Wasn't that open letter posted over a month ago?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 14, 2010, 07:35:30 PM
Yeah, but the guy has basically made it a point to try and bait Mike's attention (again) pretty much every chance since Mike responded the final time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Sigz on December 15, 2010, 01:27:55 PM
What letter/guy?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 15, 2010, 02:02:29 PM
The announcement, he's deleting all his social connection accounts. That's what he really needs to do to keep his stress from affecting his health. All he did was post that he was sad, and felt like saying thanks to his family since it really is true all you can count on is family.

He went through a lot. His Dad recently passed away and its probably hitting him now that he has no parents, no mom or dad to put your shoulder on, and while he went back home to the real life had time to think about things, it hit him hard. The tour with Maiden most likely didn't help at all, thats why he felt like taking a break you know, to ease his mind, he didn't feel like dealing with he does for DT for a bit, the others guys didn't want to, he said I need this for me, and said he was gonna leave for a while. He didn't quit he had no choice but to leave. Thats his compromise. His touring with Avenged wasn't bad per-se as he just drummed. He most likely had a great amazing time and now its gonna be over.

Thats all what it seems like to me, he's just stressed from all the work he's put out. For us the fans, and I appreciate all he does. No other band can you find official bootlegs. I wish him the best and glad he has something to do in the meantime to help him, Drumming for projects.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: SPNKr on December 15, 2010, 06:37:34 PM
No other band can you find official bootlegs.

Metallica.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 15, 2010, 06:42:57 PM
No other band can you find official bootlegs.

Metallica.

Pearl Jam also have more than a few.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: PixelDream on December 15, 2010, 07:02:03 PM
I personally hope he'll come back into DT at some point. Since a few years I'm not that 'DT fanatic' anymore, but I still like to listen to their records from time to time. If they visit Holland, I'm always going. I like SC and BSCL, but not nearly as much as anything pre-ToT. The band has grown into an 'old band' for me, in a way. I'll always love them the most for their old work.

And with that, I care for them with MP on drums. Don't like the recent output incredibly much, so IF there's a DT I'm diggin', it better be with MP. I really like his stage presence and everything, and he's just a great rock/metal drummer.

Even if the new DT album is very good, it's just not DT in my eyes. The ONLY good thing that will come from it are the absence of things like 'EVERYONE SURVIVED.. WHAAAARGH' and 'INVENTORY!'. Though that's fun, in a way, too. I really like modern DT, but it feels a bit 'lighter' for me, less meaningful in the darker, heavy songs. Whereas with 'The Mirror' or any early heavy DT song, I really feel the emotion. But circus-y DT is fine, too. Just WITH MP please.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 16, 2010, 06:12:24 AM
No other band can you find official bootlegs.

Metallica.

Pearl Jam also have more than a few.

The Flower Kings
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: SPNKr on December 16, 2010, 06:14:52 AM
No other band can you find official bootlegs.

Metallica.

Pearl Jam also have more than a few.

The Flower Kings

The list goes on...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Fuzzboy on December 16, 2010, 08:37:14 AM
No other band can you find official bootlegs.

Metallica.

Pearl Jam also have more than a few.

The Flower Kings

The list goes on...
(https://img15.nnm.ru/4/7/e/8/8/2a291cc607b4f91d970276aec11.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Arch Benemy on December 16, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
I posted this in the Sevenfold thread too, but it could be MP related. From A7Xs Facebook page.

Quote
Avenged Sevenfold regretfully announce they will not be performing at the upcoming Soundwave in Australia. After much effort, the band decided that they could not offer fans the live experience they have come to expect and didn’t want to disappoint them. Avenged Sevenfold will return to Australia soon to headline their own tour. 

I think that bolded part insinuates that MP may be out
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Gorille85 on December 16, 2010, 09:56:12 AM
It's weird...why now? why not after that austraalian show?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: zerogravityfat on December 16, 2010, 09:58:52 AM
It's weird...why now? why not after that austraalian show?

he's wasted in a ditch somewhere, that's why.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: MykeHavoc on December 16, 2010, 10:59:34 AM
Those dates are later in the year. They still have a big US run next month, so I don't see Mike departing being the reason they'd pull out of an Australian date many months down the line. They stated they will do there own run. Obviously there's more money to be made on a solo run as apposed to being part of a festival.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Gorille85 on December 16, 2010, 11:09:01 AM
I think Mike Portnoy never really existed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 16, 2010, 11:36:05 AM
Well, that explains...       


  :huh:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Plasmastrike on December 16, 2010, 12:46:24 PM
FROM MP'S FACEBOOK

Yes, the rumours are true...sadly my time with Avenged Sevenfold has come to an end...

The band has decided to carry on into 2011 without me...I had a great time with them throughout 2010, but it was their choice to end the relationship at the end of 2010 as was always the initial plan....
 
I had an awesome time on stage with the guys every night and have so many cool memories from the experience with them...I am proud to always be part of the A7X family and history.
 
I also adore the A7X fans and totally appreciate the way they welcomed me aboard and were so loving and supportive during my time with the band...thank you!
 
As far as my future, I am excited by the endless musical possibilities that lie ahead of me...my love for music runs very deep and my taste is very broad and ecclectic which will give me the chance to explore many different things and collaborate with many great friends and artists I admire and respect...
 
Happy Holidaze to you all and c-ya in the New Year,
MP
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 16, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
You know I bet they didn't want DT fans to associate them with him leaving anymore.

Internet is deadly stay away.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 16, 2010, 12:52:04 PM
Interesting.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 16, 2010, 12:55:45 PM
Sounds like he doesn't intend to join any one band as a full-time gig but to take part in lots of different projects, which could be a really good thing!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 16, 2010, 12:56:34 PM
Sounds like he doesn't intend to join any one band as a full-time gig but to take part in lots of different projects, which could be a really good thing!

Well he's already got at LEAST two on his plate...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on December 16, 2010, 01:07:44 PM
Here's to great music to be heard from MP
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: skydivingninja on December 16, 2010, 01:24:49 PM
A7X shouldn't give a shit about DT fans, especially the DT fans who blame A7X for him leaving, because they're the ones who are all "there's no way MP can like this shit!"

Sucks to hear about MP & A7X now, but oh well.  Now we can look forward to Morse/Morse/LaRue/Portnoy!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Heretic on December 16, 2010, 01:41:26 PM
Thanks for all you did with A7X, Mike! You really kept the guys from going down under and it's sad to hear that your time has come to an end with them. I'm sure you'll all get together sometime again in the future!

Looking forward to the future, I'm sure great music is soon to be heard!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ddtonfire on December 16, 2010, 02:12:53 PM
Because he has such great connections, he should release a solo album with some awesome guest appearances.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 16, 2010, 02:41:21 PM
Because he has such great connections, he should release a solo album with some awesome guest appearances.

Yeah.  Guest vocalists, in particular. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 16, 2010, 03:04:20 PM
Because he has such great connections, he should release a solo album with some awesome guest appearances.

Yeah.  Guest vocalists, in particular. 

I'd be all for that but Mike doesn't WRITE music...he takes it and arranges it, like with DT/LTE/TA. I think he'd have to work with someone who writes a lot of music so as to set aside some of it for a project devoted to MP (someone like Neal Morse or even Roine Stolt, both very prolific writers). Fortunately, he's already doing two projects with Neal, so he'll probably be pretty busy with those in the coming weeks/months.

As for anything else, he'd probably love to do another cover-band project with Paul Gilbert, or even reunite one of his prior ones (Yellow Matter Custard anyone? There's SOOO many Beatles songs he could play that DIDN'T make it to the first tour/show).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 16, 2010, 03:27:19 PM
Well the writer and the vocalist don't have to be the same person.  He could involve himself with a really talented vocalist, either one well known among the community or one with less exposure, and then enlist as many guitarist/keyboards/songwriters as he needs.  As someone said earlier, he has the connections. Nonetheless, I think there is still a big part of Portnoy that wants to be a band leader.  I would have been surprised if Avenged Sevenfold had worked out, because Portnoy is such an alpha dog.  Maybe he'll form his own full time band instead, I'm sure he would have plenty of talent waiting to sign up!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: emindead on December 16, 2010, 05:30:42 PM
Finally.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 16, 2010, 07:55:24 PM
My interest in A7X's doings have gone from like a "6" or "7" outta ten to like a "3."

This has got to have been a tough year for Mike. I genuinely feel bad for him. I really hope he's able to pull himself out of this and do some awesome new projects.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: MetalManiac666 on December 16, 2010, 08:06:18 PM
My interest in A7X's doings have gone from like a "6" or "7" "0" outta ten to like a "0."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: SPNKr on December 17, 2010, 01:03:57 AM
My interest in A7X's doings have gone from like a "6" or "7" "0" outta ten to like a "0."
and
Finally.
.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: chrisbDTM on December 17, 2010, 01:21:26 PM
A7X statement about MP

Quote
For the past few months, we've been blessed with Mike Portnoy's talent and humanity.  When Mike agreed to tour with us, it was only through the end of 2010.  We always knew we'd need to find another solution for 2011 and beyond.  And it's time for us to take that next step.

 

We know we are not ready to add another permanent member of Avenged Sevenfold.  We don't know if we will ever be. But if we do, it will only be with someone who is not only a brilliant drummer, but also someone we've gotten to know well on the road and off, and who you the fans have had a chance to get to know, and hopefully accept. In other words, in this family, we take these steps together, band and our extended fan family.

 

We are lucky to be surrounded by so many friends, many of whom knew Jimmy very well personally, as well as our band and Jimmy's drumming talent and style.  These friends have introduced us to several amazing drummers.  We have decided to take one of them out starting in January. He will not be a member of a7x.  He will be someone you and we are getting to know. Perhaps this drummer will be a fit. Perhaps not. One thing is for sure. Over time we will find someone who helps us continue our quest to make the music we love for the fans we love.

 

Mike and the band agree that can't be him. Why? Long before there was an Avenged Sevenfold, there were members of this band who looked up to Mike and, in Jimmy's case, learned a lot from watching Mike play. He is a brilliant writer, producer and of course drummer. Because of that, the world and we would always see it as Avenged Sevenfold with Mike Portnoy.  We take a lot of pride in A7X being about something greater then any individuals.  Its about the music, the fans and the friends and family we have as well as continuing our best friends legacy.

 

 Please give whoever we try your love and support....and the benefit of the doubt. They won't be Jimmy.  Who could be? But he will be himself, with his own special talents and creativity. And that's all we could ever look for.

 

Thank you again from the bottom of our hearts for everything you've done love and support us and help us get back on our feet.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 17, 2010, 01:37:44 PM
Good statement. Acceptable for everyone I think.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Freko on December 18, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
some dude over at mp forum claims he has a interview with MP from a dutch magazin where MP says that he called the guys to say he wanted to join them in the studio in Jan.. but got the cold hand there.

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2621861.aspx (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2621861.aspx)

 :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 18, 2010, 09:08:07 AM
*assumes this is all correct*

Well good for Dream Theater for having moved on.  I'm surprised that he already called back this early, I guess just because Avenged Sevenfold didn't work out he'll just settle for Dream Theater, eh?  No.  I don't really like the way he says "even considered throwing all his pain and sorrow aside", still playing the lost puppy who was abandoned by his family.  Like Dream Theater had wronged him or something.  As much as I would like to see that energetic man behind that huge drum kit again, he made the wrong decisions, and he should have to live with them. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Xanthul on December 18, 2010, 09:10:45 AM
*assumes this is all correct*

Well good for Dream Theater for having moved on.  I'm surprised that he already called back this early, I guess just because Avenged Sevenfold didn't work out he'll just settle for Dream Theater, eh?  No.  I don't really like the way he says "even considered throwing all his pain and sorrow aside", still playing the lost puppy who was abandoned by his family.  Like Dream Theater had wronged him or something.  As much as I would like to see that energetic man behind that huge drum kit again, he made the wrong decisions, and he should have to live with them. 

According to that link the interview was in November before he knew what would happen with A7X.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 18, 2010, 09:15:27 AM
*assumes this is all correct*

Well good for Dream Theater for having moved on.  I'm surprised that he already called back this early, I guess just because Avenged Sevenfold didn't work out he'll just settle for Dream Theater, eh?  No.  I don't really like the way he says "even considered throwing all his pain and sorrow aside", still playing the lost puppy who was abandoned by his family.  Like Dream Theater had wronged him or something.  As much as I would like to see that energetic man behind that huge drum kit again, he made the wrong decisions, and he should have to live with them. 

According to that link the interview was in November before he knew what would happen with A7X.


Ah ok, my bad.  But it is possible that he was already aware of the fact that he would not be staying with Avenged Sevenfold, as he was probably made aware some time before the press release..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Freko on December 18, 2010, 09:23:01 AM
Ah ok, my bad.  But it is possible that he was already aware of the fact that he would not be staying with Avenged Sevenfold, as he was probably made aware some time before the press release..

exactly my thoughts.. and now the "only one you can trust is family" tweet seems a bit clearer..but ofc it´s just speculations. but I can see him being sad if the doors been closed..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ZBomber on December 18, 2010, 09:24:17 AM
He pretty much closed the door on himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Mladen on December 18, 2010, 09:28:04 AM
He pretty much closed the door on himself.
Indeed he did.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: emindead on December 18, 2010, 10:01:16 AM
some dude over at mp forum claims he has a interview with MP from a dutch magazin where MP says that he called the guys to say he wanted to join them in the studio in Jan.. but got the cold hand there.

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2621861.aspx (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2621861.aspx)

 :corn
Just posting the actual quote:

Quote
I received the december edition of 'Aardschok' today, and there's an interview with Mike in it, held in November when he played De Melkweg with A7X.
In this interview he says he is really sad about how things went and that he never really wanted DT to end this way for him and he 'even' considered throwing all his pain and sorrow aside and called the guys to say he would be joining them in the studio, so no hiatus at all, in january to save DT how it was meant to be, but the rest of DT closed the door for him since they've already had auditions and picked their new guy.

Interesting story imo.

And I love Mike, and will like whatever he does/records/plays, but I do understand the rest of DT's choice in this situation.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 18, 2010, 10:19:38 AM
That's crazy talk.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: TAC on December 18, 2010, 10:21:49 AM
If that is true...that is amazing! Not in a good or bad way..but in an amazing way.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 18, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
It says he considered it, not that he did it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 18, 2010, 02:19:59 PM
Yeah as I said in the other thread, I'm going to treat this as speculation unless Mike or the band confirm it. Although from that wording it doesn't remotely sound like he asked to rejoin, more that he brought up the possibility.

Ah well, the people for any little thing to pick over about MP will be overjoyed at the amount of speculation this will provide. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: SystematicThought on December 18, 2010, 03:10:46 PM
Even through all the drama with the DT break-up, I still respect Mike as a musician and to a certain degree, a person.

 However, the people over at MP's forum that worship him to no end, that I have still have difficulty with. I just needed to get that out, because reading that forum frustrate's me to no end and I just read it this morning
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Sigz on December 18, 2010, 04:29:32 PM
I have a hard time believing that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 18, 2010, 04:45:25 PM
He didn't do it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: crazee_canuck on December 19, 2010, 06:21:05 AM
What letter/guy?


This one (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/fb.ashx?m=2599647)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 19, 2010, 06:40:38 AM
Speaking of that...

Mike,
 
Quote
You have been an influence since my formative years as a drummer...
<message edited by Portnoy on Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:35 AM>

wtf?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Sigz on December 19, 2010, 06:45:56 AM
That was my first thought after reading it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 19, 2010, 06:52:15 AM
That opening line was definitely there when it was first posted. I'm 99% certain the edit was simply changing the thread title to include (w MP response on Page 3), especially as the edit is almost the exact same time as he posted.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Lowdz on December 19, 2010, 06:59:02 AM
Hope this is ok. Pasting the translation a poster on MP's site put up (DreamTrain).

"Sure, in the beginning the guys were sad,angry and confused, but on this moment they want to prove they can do this without me. They WILL find a great drummer, there are hundreds of drummers out there better than me, I'v heard the names of some of the auditioners but I don't know who they will pick in the end. I spoke the guys a couple of weeks ago and checked if there was a possibility that I could help 'em out in the studio in January.
I even begged them to come to a solution before announcing the new drummer or take other decisions.
They want to prove they can do it without me and keep the door closed.
So I can't return, even if I want to.
I reached out my hand, teared my soul inside out, but it didn't help.
I look forward to the day I'll join DT...Dream Theater is mine, that stool belongs to me...
It's in their hands now, I even proposed to go into the studio in january, although I still don't want to, mentally, but I am willing to give anything to keep peace within the band and for the fans...."

of course it's a translation and only as good as the person translating, but sounds like he asked to me. And was rebuffed.
What struck me over there was how few posts the members have (says me with only 164 over here). Seems alot of old timers either got banned, don't visit there much or know when to stay out of a discussion.

  
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 19, 2010, 07:04:50 AM
My interpretation is the same as it was.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ReaperKK on December 19, 2010, 07:33:59 AM
If MP returned even though he didn't want then we would've gotten another half-assed DT release.

As for him saying that the stool belongs to him, I disagree, it DID belong to him, he left thus giving it up.

This is all assuming the translation is correct.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: nikatapi on December 19, 2010, 08:38:55 AM
Hope this is ok. Pasting the translation a poster on MP's site put up (DreamTrain).

"Sure, in the beginning the guys were sad,angry and confused, but on this moment they want to prove they can do this without me. They WILL find a great drummer, there are hundreds of drummers out there better than me, I'v heard the names of some of the auditioners but I don't know who they will pick in the end. I spoke the guys a couple of weeks ago and checked if there was a possibility that I could help 'em out in the studio in January.
I even begged them to come to a solution before announcing the new drummer or take other decisions.
They want to prove they can do it without me and keep the door closed.
So I can't return, even if I want to.

I reached out my hand, teared my soul inside out, but it didn't help.
I look forward to the day I'll join DT...Dream Theater is mine, that stool belongs to me...
It's in their hands now, I even proposed to go into the studio in january, although I still don't want to, mentally, but I am willing to give anything to keep peace within the band and for the fans...."

of course it's a translation and only as good as the person translating, but sounds like he asked to me. And was rebuffed.
What struck me over there was how few posts the members have (says me with only 164 over here). Seems alot of old timers either got banned, don't visit there much or know when to stay out of a discussion.

  

For the first in bold, i am so happy if it is true. I really believe that DT will make a great record because of the pressure they have to prove they can continue without MP.

As for Mike's quote about DT being his property or something, i find it at least disturbing, but i keep my doubts because of the translation.
Maybe Mike will eventually understand that he was quite arrogant in this whole situation, and he might get his ego in control.

About MP forum, all i have to say is that after Mike's departure, it is only for people who worship him, as every different opinion gets deleted, and many people who politely express their thoughts get banned.
Unfortunately after the recent events, Mike continues to lose respect from me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 19, 2010, 11:12:19 AM
Holy crap.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ZBomber on December 19, 2010, 12:07:28 PM
 :facepalm:


Why can't he just leave this alone?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: nikatapi on December 19, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
From MP's twitter:
"On my way to Nashville to record Neal Morse's Testimony 2...his love and positive spirit will be PERFECT for me right now"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: antigoon on December 19, 2010, 12:50:01 PM
:tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ariich on December 19, 2010, 12:53:20 PM
Awesome, those two are good friends so this should be really good for him to relax and get some perspective!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: ZBomber on December 19, 2010, 01:13:39 PM
Awesome, those two are good friends so this should be really good for him to relax and get some perspective!

And we'll be getting some good music out of it.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 19, 2010, 01:18:12 PM
Awesome, those two are good friends so this should be really good for him to relax and get some perspective!

And we'll be getting some good music out of it.  :tup

That! Although... I don't know, Testimony 2, sounds like his lifestory after Testimony 1. Which is basically everything in the name of God. I think the music will be like only the happy 'christian' parts of Testimony 1.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Jamesman42 on December 19, 2010, 03:55:38 PM
Awesome, those two are good friends so this should be really good for him to relax and get some perspective!

And we'll be getting some good music out of it.  :tup

That! Although... I don't know, Testimony 2, sounds like his lifestory after Testimony 1. Which is basically everything in the name of God. I think the music will be like only the happy 'christian' parts of Testimony 1.

I don't know about that.

I'm not keen on everything that has happened in Neal's life (although his dad passed away around the time Lifeline was released or recorded, IIRC), but many Christians who feel that "happiness" tend to have it wear off and then the "trials" come into their lives. Perhaps Neal has some major trials he will write about and how God helped him to overcome them and to continue on, or something in that vain. That would be my guess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Nihil-Morari on December 19, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
Interesting, let me just say that I hope it's not a double album of Neal's Worship songs, but with MP on drums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: Scrub206 on December 20, 2010, 03:58:22 AM
I dont care what comes out of this, I know its going to be  :metal

I've been obsessed with Neal's "?" album lately and its just phenomenal .   :hefdaddy (no pun intended (its 6am gimme a break))
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread
Post by: The Letter M on December 20, 2010, 07:55:42 AM
I dont care what comes out of this, I know its going to be  :metal

I've been obsessed with Neal's "?" album lately and its just phenomenal .   :hefdaddy (no pun intended (its 6am gimme a break))

You (and everyone else here who likes that album) should join in the Neal Morse Survivor! I'm running the ? album survivor currently!

-Marc.
Title: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: Tick on December 21, 2010, 05:59:08 AM
Do you think Mikes excessive internet postings over the past few months will effect his professional future?
Do you think he is now less desirable for other top musicians to want to join forces with him? Do you think A7X moving forward without him and DT choosing to let Mike go will give others pause when deciding to join a band with Mike?
He does come off as the center of whatever universe he is involved with and that drama may be a turn off to musicians who don't want to be part of a circus atmosphere. Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting question posed...
Post by: lordxizor on December 21, 2010, 06:35:02 AM
I think (hope) that he's learned something from this and will grow as a person and musician. He's still got lots of friends in the music business, so I have no doubt he'll be able to get gigs here and there. I think his recent actions will hurt the potential of others wanting to be in a full time band with him for a while until he can demonstrate he's matured a bit. But I've gotten the sense that a full time gig is not really what he wants right now. If he can do what he said he wanted to do, take some time of and do a few side projects, he'll be just fine. If he won't let the DT thing drop, I think more people will sour on him as A7X seemed to.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting question posed...
Post by: Chino on December 21, 2010, 06:49:43 AM
It's still hard to say. We will see how things shake up after DT make an announcement / releases the record. Regardless what happens, Mike is still one of the best drummers on the planet and I think there are still many musicians that would be honored to have him at the kit.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting question posed...
Post by: cthrubuoy on December 21, 2010, 07:03:33 AM
I'd have him in my band.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: Perpetual Change on December 21, 2010, 08:13:58 AM
With all due respect, the way I feel when people start up new topics that don't need to be started is like this: there's already a thread about something here, yet instead of reading it, taking in everyone's opinions, and posting their own  as part of the discussion people think that what they have to say is so important that they can just bypass the discussion and start a new one centered around their personal angle. That may or may not be what you're doing, but that's why I, uh, "get so fired up" about stuff like this.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: KevShmev on December 21, 2010, 08:27:41 AM
I see both sides of the argument.  On the one hand, you don't want 716 topics on essential the same topic, but on the other hand, new viewpoints can easily get lost or overlooked in threads that are really long already.

Anyway, to answer the original questions, my guess is that Portnoy has enough friends in the industry to where he won't have much trouble finding work on a frequent basis, if that is what he desires.  I don't see him committing to a new full-time band for a while, however.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: Tick on December 21, 2010, 08:33:16 AM
Agreed on your first paragraph Kev.

Anyway, on my topic. I think the way Mikes makes his world so public could wind up a deterrent for him. Also his reputation for being a control freak could turn off those who want there band to be all equal parts, and balanced.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 21, 2010, 09:01:16 AM
The way everyone is talking about Portnoy now makes him seem like the Terrell Owens of the music world. :lol
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: bodiesinflight on December 21, 2010, 09:20:18 AM
I heard Mike Portnoy is the new drummer in Paramore
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: Dr. DTVT on December 21, 2010, 09:23:14 AM
The way everyone is talking about Portnoy now makes him seem like the Terrell Owens of the music world. :lol

I hope he doesn't take that route.  I don't want MP to become an ass-clown surrounded by underachievers.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: EPICVIEW on December 21, 2010, 10:23:44 AM
I dont think Mikes personality and use of the internet will hurt him joining or forming a band. He is a nice guy, and other musicians know that, and many of them have far worse vices.
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: j on December 21, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
I think Portnoy's friends in the industry were probably well aware of these certain aspects of his personality long before all of this shit went down.

-J
Title: Re: Another Mike Discussion Thread v. Interesting questions posed...
Post by: ClairvoyantCat on December 21, 2010, 10:54:05 AM
Dave Mustaine can still find very talented members for his band, and he has a far worse reputation.

I think Mike should find a budding, talented progressive rock band who would die for a chance to play with him instead of trying to hop into a really popular one. 

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ariich on December 21, 2010, 12:26:09 PM
I've merged the new thread in and deleted the majority of the discussion about the relative merits of new threads vs existing ones. I left in PC's and Kev's posts about it because they both make very good points. On this occasion, I think this thread is small enough that it is better to keep MP discussion in here for now, rather than having loads of small bitty threads that don't end up going anywhere.

Regarding tick's question, it's hard to tell, but I don't think it'll affect his opportunities that much. His very public posting turned off A7X because it was the opposite of their style, but I think many musicians won't mind it at all. J put it perfectly:

I think Portnoy's friends in the industry were probably well aware of these certain aspects of his personality long before all of this shit went down.

-J
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lowdz on December 21, 2010, 01:20:13 PM
just been listening to the Glass Prison and really concentrated on the drumming. I found it to be awesome. I love MP's drumming and am rather worried about the effect a new drummer will have as most of those touted for the job do not sound as musical as MP. They sound too drummer.
I loved MP the face of my favourite band and I only started to lose some respect for him when he banned me from his forum.
I still wish none of this had happened.
It has and  it's time to move on.

Great drumming on Glass Prison though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Tick on December 23, 2010, 05:03:25 PM
See how one post changes a discussion and thus kills a topic.
:tick2:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: OsMosis2259 on December 27, 2010, 01:30:43 AM
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2624279&mpage=1#2624279

MP's Best of 2010 Year-End Wrap Up

Top 10 CDs of 2010
(in no particular order):

1. Alpha Rev - New Morning
2. The Pineapple Thief - Someone Here Is Missing
3. Karnivool - Sound Awake
4. Periphery
5. Taylor Hawkins and the Coattail Riders - Red Light Fever
6. Shining - Blackjazz
7. Pain Of Salvation - Road Salt One
8. Slash
9. Deftones - Diamond Eyes
10. Spock's Beard - X

And of course:
--- Transatlantic - Whirld Tour 2010
--- Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare

--------------------------------------------------------

Top 10 Films of 2010
(in no particular order):

1. Black Swan
2. The Social Network
3. Enter The Void
4. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
5. I'm Still Here
6. Get Him To The Greek
7. Paranormal Activity 2
8.
9.
10.

(As always, I have a few spots still available for the late year releases that I haven't gotten to see yet)

----------------------------------------------------------

Top 10 TV Shows of 2010
(in no particular order):

1. Lost (RIP)
2. Sons Of Anarchy
3. Breaking Bad
4. Eastbound And Down
5. Mad Men
6. Dexter
7. The Walking Dead
8. Rescue Me
9. Louie
10. Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia

Happy New Year everyone and looking forward to a fresh, exciting and positive 2011....

MP
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: juice on December 27, 2010, 02:27:20 AM
I'm surprised he didn't include Inception anywhere on his list.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SPNKr on December 27, 2010, 02:50:09 AM
and looking forward to a fresh, exciting and positive 2011....

Now that's more like it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ariich on December 27, 2010, 05:28:44 AM
and looking forward to a fresh, exciting and positive 2011....

Now that's more like it.
:tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on December 27, 2010, 08:15:42 AM
Nice to see Spock's beard in his top 10.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ddtonfire on December 27, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
I'm surprised he didn't include Inception anywhere on his list.

He actually said he wasn't that impressed with it:

Quote
I know I'm a total minority here, but "Inception" just didnt do it for me...I LOVE deep and complex films, but it just didnt click for me..
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/19801407959
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 04, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
Latest MP Tweet:
Quote
Today is 2 years since I lost my father, idol & best friend...RIP Popz...give a listen to "The Best Of Times" (MP version) in his honor..

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: skydivingninja on January 04, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
I was originally going to comment on that status: "My favorite off BC&SL, I'll be sure to do it!  No offense, but I'll listen to the JLB version."  Then I just decided not to before I started the next round of Blabbermouth MP drama.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on January 04, 2011, 11:07:16 AM
I'll listen to it, but it will be the JLB version thanks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 04, 2011, 01:03:49 PM
I would if I had it. But the album version should do..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SPNKr on January 04, 2011, 06:57:27 PM
What's with the overuse of the ellipsis?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: sonatafanica on January 04, 2011, 07:05:27 PM
9. Louie

What! Louie is one of the greatest, most artful and stunning series that I've ever seen!


He'll hear from me about this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: j on January 04, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
I don't always share Portnoy's musical tastes, but that's not a bad top 10 albums of the year from him (although a couple I haven't heard).

-J
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LCArenas on January 04, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
Latest MP Tweet:
Quote
Today is 2 years since I lost my father, idol & best friend...RIP Popz...give a listen to "The Best Of Times" (MP version) in his honor..

-Marc.
Why not the album version? I know it's more personal to him when he sang it to his father, but why specifically say the MP version and not just "The Best of Times"?

OK, maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Perpetual Change on January 08, 2011, 02:21:11 AM
Yeah, there's all kinds of implications there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on January 08, 2011, 04:37:27 AM
More proof he hates LaBrie :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 30, 2016, 01:59:25 PM
This was the first thread dedicated to MP that I could find. If there's a newer one, sorry that I missed it.

Anyways, it looks like Mike will be performing the entirety of DT's 12 Step Suite on his Birthday Bash for Cruise To The Edge next year!!! The performers will remain a mystery until show time, so if you want to find out, you've got to be there!!! Or wait until the show starts and people start posting it on the internet.

I'm sure he'll be filming it for an eventual CD/DVD/BD release in the future, if not the whole Cruise, selections from it, or just the 12 Step Suite. Either way, I'd buy a CD/BD pack of just the suite!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on June 30, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
I'm still on the fence about doing Cruise to the Edge next year, but that does sound pretty cool. I wonder who he'll be playing with.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 30, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Yea, just seen this on Facebook. That's awesome but kind of bitter sweet as (he says himself) he can't play this thing live for the first time with the rest of Dream Theater  :tdwn

I wonder who will perform it live with him?? You think there is any chance that even ONE of the DT guys may perform it alongside him? I don't even know, is he even on speaking terms with any of them?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 30, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
This was the first thread dedicated to MP that I could find. If there's a newer one, sorry that I missed it.

Anyways, it looks like Mike will be performing the entirety of DT's 12 Step Suite on his Birthday Bash for Cruise To The Edge next year!!! The performers will remain a mystery until show time, so if you want to find out, you've got to be there!!! Or wait until the show starts and people start posting it on the internet.

I'm sure he'll be filming it for an eventual CD/DVD/BD release in the future, if not the whole Cruise, selections from it, or just the 12 Step Suite. Either way, I'd buy a CD/BD pack of just the suite!

-Marc.

Eh, unless he is doing it with the other DT guys, I have zero interest in what would essentially be MP and a cover band playing those songs...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Train of Naught on June 30, 2016, 02:13:31 PM
Can't imagine the suite without JLB to be honest, and I'm pretty sure he won't be coming with. He'll probably invite Neal Morse or someone like that, so no thanks :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
Pretty cool.  I would definitely buy that.  I wonder if he knows at this point who the musicians will be, or if it is just the decision to play it, and he will get the pieces put in place going forward.  I would think it is the latter, but who knows?  It will be interesting to see whether he has one "band" playing it all the way through, or if different musicians will sub in and out for different parts.  Either way, this should be pretty cool.  Glad he found a suitable setting to perform this.  And also cool that he is letting people know ahead of time that he is doing it so people will be prepared going in for a monster, over-an-hour-long suite as opposed to being hit with it unexpectedly. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RoeDent on June 30, 2016, 02:17:36 PM
Funny moment. I just saw this thread in the "Last post" box on the homepage, as "The Mike Portnoy App..." I thought he'd released an app for a moment.  :lol :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
I wonder who will perform it live with him?? You think there is any chance that even ONE of the DT guys may perform it alongside him? I don't even know, is he even on speaking terms with any of them?

If schedule permits, I would not be overly surprised if one of the guys showed up and played part or all of it.  More than one would really surprise me.  I guess the biggest obstacle I see is it being a cruise.  It is hard for me to picture the DT guys wanting to go on the entire cruise and being there on the ship the entire time.  But really, who knows?  I wouldn't say anything is off the table.

The biggest downside from doing that would be all the inevitable resulting social media posts from clueless knuckleheads saying that DT is surely going to dump MM so MP can rejoin. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Tomislav95 on June 30, 2016, 03:12:02 PM
I think there will be multiple vocalist depending on what suits them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 03:26:38 PM
I think there will be multiple vocalist depending on what suits them.

I agree. Might be cool.

Also, this is a cruise. Unless one of the DT guys is on the entire cruise, they're not making a cameo.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on June 30, 2016, 03:26:47 PM
I knew Portnoy would play it eventually, but I always hoped it would be in context of a one off reunion show with DT. The fact that it's a cruise and not a normal concert makes it a bit more unlikely, but I'm still holding out hope for at least one of the guys to show up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on June 30, 2016, 03:33:38 PM
MP, please perform it with PSMS + Russel Allen ! That would be awesome! :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 30, 2016, 03:35:54 PM
Yea, just seen this on Facebook. That's awesome but kind of bitter sweet as (he says himself) he can't play this thing live for the first time with the rest of Dream Theater  :tdwn

No pity from me. He did it to himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 30, 2016, 06:51:19 PM
Is the Suite something that perhaps 5% of the fan base are interested in hearing?  Other than TRoAEvil, I personally find it all at the bottom 5% of their catalogue.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 07:01:25 PM
Okay, but you are in a small minority.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 30, 2016, 07:13:14 PM
Okay, but you are in a small minority.

I think so too. A lot of fans were amped up with the possibility of Dream Theater playing the whole suite after it was revealed that it was finished with the release of BC&SL. Unfortunately, no full world tour happened after the album came out, and in fact, they only ever played 4 songs from the album (oddly enough, the two they DIDN'T play, "The Shattered Fortress" and "The Best Of Times", were songs that Mike wrote the lyrics for), so Mike's hopes to perform the whole suite never happened...because he quit.

Yeah, I'll agree that he definitely did it to himself, but I'm glad that enough time has passed that he's willing to perform the suite for fans on his birthday bash next year. It'll be a real treat, and because anyone going on the cruise for him are already die-hard fans of his, they're going to want to see this performance. I know if I had the means to do so, I'd be on that boat in February and be head-banging and fist-pumping with the rest of them during that whole hour-long suite.

It'd be something if he managed to get some of the guests that did vocal spots at the end of "Repentance" to come out and say their regret, and perhaps even play with Mike during the song/suite. With as many musical friends as Mike has, he could get almost anyone to play and sing these songs and they'd sound great. I'm sure Neal and Pete will be on the boat (as Roine has said he won't be able to attend), so expect some TA material, but I'm sure one or both of them might play with Mike on the suite (Neal I can see, not so much Pete).

Looking at the line-up of bands, he'll have plenty of prog rock and prog metal vocalists and instrumentalists to pull from, between the Neal Morse Band and Spock's Beard, The Fringe, Pain Of Salvation, and Haken. Between even just THEM, he could put together a rotating line-up to performance the suite's five songs.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 07:16:09 PM
haha seriously? I have zero interest in hearing this without JR and JP, I can't imagine why anyone would!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on June 30, 2016, 07:30:41 PM
One thing about this is that I can't imagine many members of these bands playing some of the heavier parts of this suite. Can you imagine Neal Morse playing The Glass Prison?  :lol I mean, I'm sure he (and others) are capable of it, but in a lot of ways the 12 Step Suite really showcases the Metal side more than the Prog side of DT, so it's an odd venue to be doing this. Not that  I'm complaining or think it can't be done, just an observation. It really does seem like there's room for DT to be involved with this though.

As for whether there's enough interest in this, I don't see why not. It's something that could very well only happen once and I think anyone who is invested in MP's career enough to want to go see him perform on a cruise is probably interested in it. Anyone not interested probably wasn't going to see the MP birthday bash in the first place. I also assume he has another 2 hours of material prepared anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2016, 07:33:35 PM
I still can't get over a 50-year old man throwing himself a birthday party of this magnitude.  Seems like something Kayne West or Terrell Owens would do.

Either way, I would have no interest in seeing Dream Theater performing the hour-long suite, much less Portnoy and a bunch of non-DT musicians (although I suspect he'll get Sherinian to do the keys).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
There's no way MP thinks he's gonna get people who can play TGP and TDS without it being completely hilarious, which makes me think maybe he's cooking something with DT?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
There's no way MP thinks he's gonna get people who can play TGP and TDS without it being completely hilarious

I have no idea why anyone would think that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on June 30, 2016, 07:45:54 PM
I bet every member of Haken could play the whole thing easily. Besides that, yea it does seem like it something that wouldn't be done with the crowd they've got on the cruise as of now.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
I bet every member of Haken could play the whole thing easily. Besides that, yea it does seem like it something that wouldn't be done with the crowd they've got on the cruise as of now.

The guys in Neal's band could easily do it as well.  And probably the PoS guys.  I think he easily has the musicians to pull it off, even if he didn't bring anybody else himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 07:53:06 PM
Can you imagine Neal Morse playing The Glass Prison?  :lol

On keyboard? Sure. He's not a metal artist, but let's be real, Neal has done some stuff that is not significantly less heavy than The Glass Prison. TGP isn't exactly death metal, either.

Do I think Neal will be playing it? No, probably not—he may come out and guest on Repentance, but probably not much more. But I could see it.


haha seriously? I have zero interest in hearing this without JR and JP, I can't imagine why anyone would!

'Cause Mike's the one who came up with the concept and wrote all the lyrics, and he's 1/5 of the DT that played on it? I get that some people really don't like Mike Portnoy anymore (or maybe never did), and that's fine, but there are also those of us who never took sides in the [obligatory analogy incoming] divorce and would like to see the guy play a series of songs that we really like and is clearly important to him.

I don't go to concerts really ever (it's rare that a band I like enough to see plays in a location and on a day that is convenient for me), and there's no way I can afford to take a cruise. But if this was something that was playing at a venue <1 hour away from me, yeah, I'd go.


Looking at the line-up of bands, he'll have plenty of prog rock and prog metal vocalists and instrumentalists to pull from, between the Neal Morse Band and Spock's Beard, The Fringe, Pain Of Salvation, and Haken. Between even just THEM, he could put together a rotating line-up to performance the suite's five songs.

Just looking at that list, I'd say Gildenlöw is pretty likely. I also would totally expect to see one or more of the Haken guys, since they're pretty similar to DT musically and there's little question of their being able to technically play it. Maybe Richard Henshall or Connor Green. And Ross Jennings could be a candidate for vocals, though you could also say Gildenlöw is a possibility for that, or even Ted Leonard.


If Sherinian will be there, might be interesting to see him on it—but I'm not sure he's fast enough to play all of Jordan's parts. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised to see Jordan himself show up. He's only DT member who we know is on speaking terms with Mike, and his parts might be the hardest to find someone to replicate just from the bands that I know are there. It would also lend a greater degree of credibility. In fact, just thinking about it, I'd say Jordan is the only DT member I'd say is likely to show. The second-most likely is probably James, who I don't think would do it but could conceivably have had a reconciliation with Mike. JP just doesn't seem like the guy who goes and plays his own music under the "Mike Portnoy" banner, and lolnojmx.


EDIT: I cannot express in words how strongly I agree with bosk's and Mosh's posts just now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
There's no way MP thinks he's gonna get people who can play TGP and TDS without it being completely hilarious

I have no idea why anyone would think that.

I don't understand that either.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 07:56:07 PM
I disagree, I think there are some things on TGP and TDS that would demand -at least- JR.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
I disagree, I think there are some things on TGP and TDS that would demand -at least- JR.

To be clear, you are saying that the only person in the entire world who can play the keyboard parts of TGP and TDS is Jordan Rudess? Literally no other person can play it, on the face of the entire planet?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I disagree, I think there are some things on TGP and TDS that would demand -at least- JR.

While Jordan's parts are probably damn hard to replicate, saying someone else's attempt would be "completely hilarious" is repugnant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 08:07:33 PM
Yeah, I mean all five members of DT have VERY difficult parts on all of those songs.  And yet, you could go onto YouTube right now and find plenty of no-names pulling off pretty impressive covers.  I think the guys that have already been mentioned would do just fine.  Let's not be blinded by MP hate and just dump on everything the guys does just because you don't like him.  He's doing something he wants to do, that a lot of fans would want to see, and that other musicians can clearly help him pull off.  There's no need to bash it just because you aren't interested.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on June 30, 2016, 08:11:35 PM
I bet every member of Haken could play the whole thing easily. Besides that, yea it does seem like it something that wouldn't be done with the crowd they've got on the cruise as of now.

The guys in Neal's band could easily do it as well.  And probably the PoS guys.  I think he easily has the musicians to pull it off, even if he didn't bring anybody else himself.


I agree, that's why I said I think it can be done. Apart from maybe his guitarist, Neal's band don't really seem like the Metal types. It doesn't mean they can't, but I imagine MP would want musicians who had more roots in Metal.

Most likely lineup (assuming nobody from DT shows up)?

Gildenlow from PoS - Vocals
Richard Henshaw from Haken - Guitar
Diego from Haken and/or Sherinian - Keyboards
Don't know much about the bassists on this cruise, maybe Connor Green? But now it's just turning into Haken + Mike Portnoy. Which is likely too I suppose.

I'm sure lots of guest appearances will happen though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 08:13:06 PM
There are tons of musicians MP can find that can easily play all parts of the suite. Hell, if he decided not to go with anyone known, he can find hundreds of people just on youtube.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
There are tons of musicians MP can find that can easily play all parts of the suite. Hell, if he decided not to go with anyone known, he can find hundreds of people just on youtube.
And yet, you could go onto YouTube right now and find plenty of no-names pulling off pretty impressive covers. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 08:16:21 PM
There are tons of musicians MP can find that can easily play all parts of the suite. Hell, if he decided not to go with anyone known, he can find hundreds of people just on youtube.
And yet, you could go onto YouTube right now and find plenty of no-names pulling off pretty impressive covers. 

Man, when I clicked on this thread there was like 15 unread posts. I was bound to miss something.  :-\
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on June 30, 2016, 08:16:35 PM
I really doubt MP is going to do this with a band of unknowns.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
There are tons of musicians MP can find that can easily play all parts of the suite. Hell, if he decided not to go with anyone known, he can find hundreds of people just on youtube.
And yet, you could go onto YouTube right now and find plenty of no-names pulling off pretty impressive covers. 

Man, when I clicked on this thread there was like 15 unread posts. I was bound to miss something.  :-\

That's okay.  But if you and I agree, it must be true.  ...or it is a sign the world is getting ready to end.  But surely, that can't be it.  I don't think.  Um...

I really doubt MP is going to do this with a band of unknowns.

I agree, but that wasn't the point either me or Adami were making.  The point is simply that the talent exists to pull this off, and the talent we already know about on the ship is more than enough to do it, even if Mike didn't bring any other musicians (which I think he will).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 08:24:29 PM
Let's not be blinded by MP hate and just dump on everything the guys does just because you don't like him.  He's doing something he wants to do, that a lot of fans would want to see, and that other musicians can clearly help him pull off.  There's no need to bash it just because you aren't interested.

I like MP.. my point isn't about his person at all.

I disagree, I think there are some things on TGP and TDS that would demand -at least- JR.

To be clear, you are saying that the only person in the entire world who can play the keyboard parts of TGP and TDS is Jordan Rudess? Literally no other person can play it, on the face of the entire planet?

I'm saying it won't sound right at all, it'll be something I can take from a youtube cover band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 08:59:24 PM
Most likely lineup (assuming nobody from DT shows up)?

Gildenlow from PoS - Vocals
Richard Henshaw from Haken - Guitar
Diego from Haken and/or Sherinian - Keyboards
Don't know much about the bassists on this cruise, maybe Connor Green? But now it's just turning into Haken + Mike Portnoy. Which is likely too I suppose.

I mean, Haken is the most natural fit, if you had to pick one band to do it. But I agree, he'll probably mix it up a bit more. I'm sure there are people we haven't even thought about who could and would want to do it.



I'm saying it won't sound right at all, it'll be something I can take from a youtube cover band.

Okay, so what you actually mean is that for it to sound right to you, it would actually have to be played by more than one member of DT. That's a fair opinion to have, but that's totally different from "there are some things on TGP and TDS that would demand -at least- JR." Maybe they demand JR for you personally to be satisfied with the performance, but they don't demand JR to actually be able to play them correctly. Others could do so.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 09:07:24 PM
425 That's a good halfway point to meet, yes.
I also don't see why it would be too far fetched to think that maybe JP and JR would be the surprise guests, they could also do some Liquid Tension Experiment stuff while they're at it, so they won't be there at the capacity of Dream Theater, so as not to create an awkward vibe with JM, JLB & MM.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 09:10:03 PM
Okay, sounds fair. :tup

I could completely see JR doing it. I think he and Mike are still good friends and, if asked, he'd want to go play those songs. I think JP is considerably less likely—as far as we know, he and Mike never really repaired their relationship. Also, JP likes to be the leader of the band. I don't know that he'd want to go play his songs under a big "Mike Portnoy Presents" banner.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 09:17:47 PM
I also don't see why it would be too far fetched to think that maybe JP and JR would be the surprise guests, they could also do some Liquid Tension Experiment stuff while they're at it, so they won't be there at the capacity of Dream Theater, so as not to create an awkward vibe with JM, JLB & MM.
For the record, as I said above, I think that is entirely possible.  I think it is unlikely, just because of the logistics of it being a cruise.  But it is possible.  And I would extend that to the other two members as well.  Although I think it is less likely, I would not be shocked if I ended up hearing that any of the DT guys were there.  I think the speculation of "bad blood" among fans is likely way overblown.  I'm not saying there wasn't conflict or tension at times, but I'm not sure we can draw any significant conclusions beyond that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 09:20:40 PM
Do DT have any tour dates for early 2017?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2016, 09:24:56 PM
Not yet, as far as I know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on June 30, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
I actually heard DT on Eddie Trunk awhile back and it sounded like they were all on good terms, JP mentioned getting a nice Christmas card from MP. In general they seemed a bit more open to talking about MP than they were just a couple years ago. I agree that the bad blood is overblown, I think it's more that JP has never been one to publicly discuss grievances with other musicians or really discuss his relationships with any former members or collaborators. The DT guys are pretty private compared to DT so it makes sense. I also think JP is really trying to push this incarnation of DT as the definitive version (which is fair) and doesn't want to entertain the idea of them going backwards. I could also see that as a reason for him not to do this cruise, but I hope that's not the case.

Frankly, the only DT guy I'd be surprised to see make an appearance is JLB.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nel on June 30, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
Love Neal Morse but I do giggle a bit thinking of him trying to sing The Glass Prison or This Dying Soul. His singing just always seems so... gentle?

...Hell, I'd pay to see that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on June 30, 2016, 09:40:13 PM
I actually heard DT on Eddie Trunk awhile back and it sounded like they were all on good terms, JP mentioned getting a nice Christmas card from MP. In general they seemed a bit more open to talking about MP than they were just a couple years ago. I agree that the bad blood is overblown, I think it's more that JP has never been one to publicly discuss grievances with other musicians or really discuss his relationships with any former members or collaborators. The DT guys are pretty private compared to DT so it makes sense. I also think JP is really trying to push this incarnation of DT as the definitive version (which is fair) and doesn't want to entertain the idea of them going backwards. I could also see that as a reason for him not to do this cruise, but I hope that's not the case.

Frankly, the only DT guy I'd be surprised to see make an appearance is JLB.

Ah, okay, this is new information to me! Last I remember hearing, things between MP and JP seemed pretty tense. In that case, I'd say he's more likely than I would have previously said.

And honestly, I'd rate JLB more likely than JM. Yeah, he and MP had some serious tension, but they also used to be really good friends. Maybe without the pressures of being in the same band, the friendship has reasserted itself over the tension. I'll be the first to admit to having no idea what John Myung is thinking at any given time, but the combination of the general assumption that he and MP didn't get along near the end and the fact that he has done by far the fewest side projects and guest appearances of anyone in the band makes me think that he'd be less likely to take an invitation.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on June 30, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I also don't see why it would be too far fetched to think that maybe JP and JR would be the surprise guests, they could also do some Liquid Tension Experiment stuff while they're at it, so they won't be there at the capacity of Dream Theater, so as not to create an awkward vibe with JM, JLB & MM.
For the record, as I said above, I think that is entirely possible.  I think it is unlikely, just because of the logistics of it being a cruise.  But it is possible.  And I would extend that to the other two members as well.  Although I think it is less likely, I would not be shocked if I ended up hearing that any of the DT guys were there.  I think the speculation of "bad blood" among fans is likely way overblown.  I'm not saying there wasn't conflict or tension at times, but I'm not sure we can draw any significant conclusions beyond that.

"entirely possible"
"would not be shocked"
"it is possible"

Do you know something we don't? Besides Hef's cup size, of course.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Progmetty on June 30, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
A fan on FB:
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I honestly wish you would just have a mini reunion with DT and play the 12 step with them.
Wouldn't feel right without all of you guys doing those songs.

MP:
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Surely I'd rather be playing it w them as well, but sadly it's not in the cards for them...
But as this is a "career retrospective" concert, of course DT material needs to be represented...
I figured this was the right time and place to finally do it...the fans deserve it...and I am just as entitled to play those songs just as DT continue to play those songs without me...
Life's too short...I can't wait around for a reunion that may never happen...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 30, 2016, 11:26:08 PM
Thinking upon it, I'd say Eric Gillette would be pretty good to cover some of JP's parts, as well, swapping out with Haken's guitarist. Eric's got some mean chops, and if you've heard either of his solo albums, he's got a JP-esque sound and tone, as well as writing style and chops. I'd be surprised if Mike didn't get Eric to play at least just a LITTLE bit of the suite.

One thing I did just think of, though, is that if we get a nice, high-quality recording of this concert, we'll finally get a consistent, full version of the suite. I had always hoped that somewhere down the line, maybe via YtseJamRecords or even from MP himself, that there'd be a remastered set of the suite, mixed together and done up with proper crossfades and segues and such, but now that he's going to perform it live, at least once that is, we'll get that. Sure, it won't be DT, but it'll be one whole performance, so that's something, right?

Either way, being a career retrospective concert, I can't imagine it being any longer than 3 hours, and so already one-third of that is taken up by the 12 Step Suite, which will likely cover his Dream Theater-portion of his career (although he might throw in The Ytse Jam, The Best Of Times, or even A Change OF Seasons, among other MP-penned tracks).

This leaves me wondering what other portions of his career he will, and won't feature. With Neal on board (literally), he'll likely do some medley of Neal's solo music, and/or a medley of Transatlantic music, not to mention Flying Colors as well (honestly, between Mike and Neal, they could fill out 2 more hours of music just between those three bands).

There's also stuff from LTE and OSI, which would be neat to see, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't feature either of them. Then there's also A7X and Adrenaline Mob, for as brief as they were for him, and of course, his "main" band, The Winery Dogs, though I don't know if all three of them will be on the cruise.

It would be neat if Mike managed to play 1 song from each year of his career, though that would mean anything from the 80's to 1997 would all be Dream Theater music, and considering he's already allotted 2002-2009 for the 12 Step Suite, I doubt he'd do that. He could also perform 50 songs, but if that were true, he'd have to pick some VERY SHORT ones if he wanted the concert to be shorter than 5 hours (especially since the suite of 5 songs already reaches close to an hour).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2016, 11:29:58 PM
Who would you guys like to hear doing vocals?

I'm a bit bias toward Russell Allen for these songs specifically, but I'd also love it if they used multiple singers.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 01, 2016, 01:03:58 AM
He's just going to play it by himself, Keyboard/Guitar/Bass/Voice and everything else will be tapes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 01, 2016, 02:08:32 AM
MP:
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Surely I'd rather be playing it w them as well, but sadly it's not in the cards for them..
I am just as entitled to play those songs just as DT continue to play those songs without me...
Life's too short...I can't wait around for a reunion that may never happen...



:yawn:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 01, 2016, 02:14:07 AM
The day you knew would come.....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 01, 2016, 02:29:00 AM
I don't think all of the parts of the suite are really great, but I wouldn't mind hearing it performed complete. I can't and won't go on the cruise but I hope he releases it as an CD/DVD/BlueRay/whatever.

And I think it would be more interesting when he uses different musicians for different parts, there are enough who can pull it off, and they don't have to play it note by note. More often than not I like it when songs performed live are a little bit different from the studio versions.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 01, 2016, 03:09:33 AM
Please don't be retarded, the suite uses plenty of whahíbrido pickingant, none can play that but Petrucci. Now stfu.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 01, 2016, 03:33:32 AM
Please don't be retarded, the suite uses plenty of whahíbrido pickingant, none can play that but Petrucci. Now stfu.

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/Hes-right-you.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 01, 2016, 05:33:09 AM
I could see Jordan showing up but that's the only member of DT that I could imagine doing this. Of all the members of DT though, I think Petrucci being there would mean the most to the fans. Even though it came out during this album cycle that Jordan has been the primary songwriter with John since he joined the band, when most people think of DT, they think of the JP-MP partnership. Seeing him up on stage playing some good prog metal with his former brother in arms would be an amazing sight and possibly give the fans the closure that many of them have wanted for what will be over six years at that point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lax on July 01, 2016, 06:11:52 AM
I think he is going to play it alone, with kind of a backing track like he would use for an instructionnal dvd, with 12 gopros filming him on every angle.
Playing it with people would be unexpected for me.

I won't do troll jokes because I loved what he did on many DT albums and he was dedicated to fans, but I could :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 06:35:08 AM
I still can't get over a 50-year old man throwing himself a birthday party of this magnitude.  Seems like something Kayne West or Terrell Owens would do.

Good lord, this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ad134 on July 01, 2016, 06:35:59 AM
I like the idea of Haken + MP. I could imagine JR also joining (considering the two of them have played together with Haken in the recent past) and doing keyboard duels with Diego.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2016, 06:37:19 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if initial ticket sales for this cruise weren't that good, causing them to now start promoting the suite with the words 'Dream Theater' in the promo picture. Considering Portnoy never advertises beforehand what he is going to play live, you can't help but wonder.  These kind of cruises are hard for most fans since it requires a lot of money and dedicating anywhere from 3-7 days most of the time to go on one of them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2016, 07:56:55 AM
I still can't get over a 50-year old man throwing himself a birthday party of this magnitude.  Seems like something Kayne West or Terrell Owens would do.

Good lord, this.

???  Why?  What's the issue?  This is very different than a celeb doing a private birthday bash that is publicized, but not open to the public.  I have been to and/or heard of plenty of birthday bash shows for musicians, and they are oftentimes pretty cool.  Dave Meniketti's 50th birthday bash was one of the best, most fun concerts I have ever been to.  I don't see what the problem is with celebrating such a big milestone.  And for someone whose career is performing in public, it makes sense that he would want to celebrate it by performing in public.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 01, 2016, 08:00:33 AM
Sammy Hagar does it at Cabo Wabo Cantina all the time and it's a big deal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2016, 08:01:20 AM
Yup.  Another great example.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 01, 2016, 08:01:25 AM
Yeah.  I mean, he's a professional musician.  It's a gig.  Use the birthday as an excuse to do (sell) a special gig.  No worries.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: kaos2900 on July 01, 2016, 08:26:21 AM
I have mixed feeling on this. Part of me hates the idea while part of me is intrigued to see these songs possibly performed by some of my other favorite artists (Sheehan, Allen) etc. If it's released on a Blu-Ray I'll probably buy it unless it turns into a huge mess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2016, 08:29:21 AM
It would be awesome if Symphony X were added to the cruise.  In that case, it would be easy for Mike to do an AMob song in his birthday set (not saying that would be a "good" thing, but just in terms of completeness for him wanting to represent his career) AND for Russ to sing on the 12SS (not to mention maybe having SX captured live on DVD).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 08:35:17 AM
I still can't get over a 50-year old man throwing himself a birthday party of this magnitude.  Seems like something Kayne West or Terrell Owens would do.

Good lord, this.

???  Why?  What's the issue?  This is very different than a celeb doing a private birthday bash that is publicized, but not open to the public.  I have been to and/or heard of plenty of birthday bash shows for musicians, and they are oftentimes pretty cool.  Dave Meniketti's 50th birthday bash was one of the best, most fun concerts I have ever been to.  I don't see what the problem is with celebrating such a big milestone.  And for someone whose career is performing in public, it makes sense that he would want to celebrate it by performing in public.

There's no issue. It just screams "look at me, look at me". If others want to look, that's cool I have no issue with that, I just don't want to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on July 01, 2016, 08:46:27 AM
A fan on FB:
Quote
I honestly wish you would just have a mini reunion with DT and play the 12 step with them.
Wouldn't feel right without all of you guys doing those songs.

MP:
Quote
Surely I'd rather be playing it w them as well, but sadly it's not in the cards for them...
But as this is a "career retrospective" concert, of course DT material needs to be represented...
I figured this was the right time and place to finally do it...the fans deserve it...and I am just as entitled to play those songs just as DT continue to play those songs without me...
Life's too short...I can't wait around for a reunion that may never happen...

Seems fair to me. Look, again, I know some people just don't like Mike Portnoy. Kotow is clearly among them, as he's now nitpicking Mike's use of pronouns, apparently—something that no other musician would get nitpicked about on this forum (imagine Steven Wilson or Mikael Akerfeldt or another forum favorite using the word "I" a whole two times in a comment! no one would care at all).

But anyone's negative opinion of him aside, this seems completely fair. He really wants to play this suite. It's personally important to him. Dream Theater clearly doesn't want a reunion right now. He's exactly right that if he really wants to play the Suite, he "can't wait around for a reunion that may never happen"—it is his 50th birthday, after all, he doesn't have a limitless amount of time in which he will be physically capable of playing This Dying Soul.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 08:51:14 AM
Right, and again, I personally don't have an issue with him playing it. I just don't have an interest in him playing it without DT. That's all.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on July 01, 2016, 08:54:25 AM
Clearly it's not gonna happen with DT. MP has made that clear. But I keep thinking it would be more feasible for the entire band to come out and play with MP, MM included. Imagine seeing the 12-Step-Suite performed as Dream Theater and two drummers! Maybe a drum battle, too?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on July 01, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Right, and again, I personally don't have an issue with him playing it. I just don't have an interest in him playing it without DT. That's all.
I don't if you are aware of, but did you see PSMS perform live Acid Rain from LTE? Personally, I loved that version of the song and because it's totally similar to the original arrangement and, at the same time, the differences of styles between Derek, Billy and Tony compared to JP, JM and JR, makes that version specially unique. I guess that capability and chemistry of PSMS as musicians would work very well too for a 12 Step performance. With Russel Allen of course! ;D :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 01, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
I don't if you are aware of, but did you see PSMS perform live Acid Rain from LTE? Personally, I loved that version of the song and because it's totally similar to the original arrangement and, at the same time, the differences of styles between Derek, Billy and Tony compared to JP, JM and JR, makes that version specially unique. I guess that capability and chemistry of PSMS as musicians would work very well too for a 12 Step performance. With Russel Allen of course! ;D :metal

I haven't heard it, but I'm sure it was a killer version, those guys are all monster players. I'm sure he will get monster players to cover the 12SS on the cruise, but it honestly doesn't interest me that much to see Mike play drums to DT or LTE songs with none of the other guys from those groups. Clearly it interests a lot of other people, which is great!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on July 01, 2016, 11:30:14 AM
Cool, now I understood you point :tup By the way, Tony Levin, not JM.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 01, 2016, 09:54:03 PM
Mike is so into doing this one off special shows that I think the performances suffer.  Sure, when you get a bunch of Grade A musicians together, you can make it sound great, but a day or two of rehearsals does not substitute perfecting a song (or 50 minute suite) over the course of several weeks. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 02, 2016, 06:45:25 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if initial ticket sales for this cruise weren't that good, causing them to now start promoting the suite with the words 'Dream Theater' in the promo picture. Considering Portnoy never advertises beforehand what he is going to play live, you can't help but wonder.  These kind of cruises are hard for most fans since it requires a lot of money and dedicating anywhere from 3-7 days most of the time to go on one of them.

This is true. My girlfriend took my on the Train cruise earlier this year because she is a huge Train fan and I won't lie, it's a lot of fun but sitting down and seeing how much it cost. We could've gone to Costa Rica again for 10 days, or have done an incredible non-music cruise. It was a great experience but we won't do it again.

A little off topic but people really build a community on these boats, we kept running into people that new each other from previous cruises, it was pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2016, 09:17:55 AM
Yep, given the time and the money it takes to go on one of these, it seems like it is one of those things that would be awesome to do once for most fans, but to do it every year just isn't feasible, and this is, what, the third year in a row?  Not every fan has the money and vacation days at work to take off for a week to do something like this every year, and not everyone wants this to be the one vacation they splurge on once a year.  So, given that, promoting the suite is the hook needed to draw some fans who were probably thinking, "I don't need to go this time..."  Granted, I can't see it making that big of a difference - if you worship at the alter of Mike Portnoy, you were probably leaning towards going anyway :lol - but it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: black_biff_stadler on July 02, 2016, 10:38:10 PM
I think the irony of the fact that someone is much more likely to buy tickets to this drunk than sober is lost on MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 04, 2016, 09:47:46 AM
Mark my words: MP will play the entire suite with JP+JR, plus some LTE stuff aaaaaand they will release a new LTE album in late 2017.

2017 will be the year for parallel projects, as Petrucci is going to play with G3 next year (and wants to release his second solo album) Rudess could also play with LMR, JMX with JJ and LaBrie could release another solo album with his band...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on July 04, 2016, 10:34:03 AM
Mark my words: MP will play the entire suite with JP+JR, plus some LTE stuff aaaaaand they will release a new LTE album in late 2017.


Quoting this for future reference. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SebastianPratesi on July 04, 2016, 01:02:20 PM
Mark my words: MP will play the entire suite with JP+JR, plus some LTE stuff aaaaaand they will release a new LTE album in late 2017.

2017 will be the year for parallel projects, as Petrucci is going to play with G3 next year (and wants to release his second solo album) Rudess could also play with LMR, JMX with JJ and LaBrie could release another solo album with his band...
Plus, Mike Mangini said recently on his Facebook that he is working on some new music by himself (someone asked if DT related or for a solo project, and he answered "both", if I'm not mistaken).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 04, 2016, 01:11:46 PM
Mark my words: MP will play the entire suite with JP+JR, plus some LTE stuff aaaaaand they will release a new LTE album in late 2017.

2017 will be the year for parallel projects, as Petrucci is going to play with G3 next year (and wants to release his second solo album) Rudess could also play with LMR, JMX with JJ and LaBrie could release another solo album with his band...

I think it's pretty obvious that they will play the entire suite with all of DT, including MM playing with MP on a double kit. On top of that, Dominici, Sherinian and Moore will join them. On top of that, the guys from Rush will come and play a Rush medley with them too. On top of that there will be fireworks and free cake for all.

Also everyone gets laid.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on July 04, 2016, 01:19:24 PM
And the keyboardist who auditioned for them that later died will also play.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 04, 2016, 01:33:07 PM
And the keyboardist who auditioned for them that later died will also play.

Will he die again during the show?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on July 04, 2016, 01:54:33 PM
Only when he tries to play Dance of Eternity backwards and flips the time signatures upside down.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on July 04, 2016, 01:58:19 PM
Remember that death is not the end, but only a transition.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on July 04, 2016, 01:58:58 PM
Only when he tries to play Dance of Eternity backwards and flips the time signatures upside down.

Leave that to the 80's ZZ Top albums.  We swore as teens it was one song recorded and play it fast, slower, on its side or backwards and it's other songs on those albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: v_clortho on July 04, 2016, 02:17:31 PM
Cake? Did someone say that there will be cake?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on July 04, 2016, 02:40:45 PM
The band Cake?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 04, 2016, 07:39:25 PM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

Right, and again, I personally don't have an issue with him playing it. I just don't have an interest in him playing it without DT. That's all.
I don't if you are aware of, but did you see PSMS perform live Acid Rain from LTE? Personally, I loved that version of the song and because it's totally similar to the original arrangement and, at the same time, the differences of styles between Derek, Billy and Tony compared to JP, JM and JR, makes that version specially unique. I guess that capability and chemistry of PSMS as musicians would work very well too for a 12 Step performance. With Russel Allen of course! ;D :metal

I kindly disagree. To my ears, the PSMS versions of DT tunes (or Acid Rain) didn't sound nearly as good as the originals. I love Tony MacAlpine, but he didn't quite grasp the JP vibe at all (nor the playing or the sound) and Billy Sheehan overplays stuff. Listening to Lines in the Sand with Derek's original sounds is awesome, but it fails to give me the awesome vibe the DT versions give me every time.

I didn't expect the PSMS versions of the DT tunes to beat the originals (nor I think it was their intention to do so in the first place), but hardcore MP fans never miss a chance of stating something like: 'Better than DT! MP soul & heart of DT 4 ever!'. I'm usually very chill with differing opinions, but that's kinda a soft spot that annoys me to some extent.

That being said, I think the Planet X  and Billy tunes sound amazing in PSMS.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on July 04, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Tony MacAlpine is a somewhat sloppy alternate picker. His notes are way less precise than JP. Not sure if I want to hear him doing stuff like The Glass Prison where alternate picking is so vital.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 04, 2016, 11:32:02 PM
Mark my words: MP will play the entire suite with JP+JR, plus some LTE stuff aaaaaand they will release a new LTE album in late 2017.

2017 will be the year for parallel projects, as Petrucci is going to play with G3 next year (and wants to release his second solo album) Rudess could also play with LMR, JMX with JJ and LaBrie could release another solo album with his band...

I think it's pretty obvious that they will play the entire suite with all of DT, including MM playing with MP on a double kit. On top of that, Dominici, Sherinian and Moore will join them. On top of that, the guys from Rush will come and play a Rush medley with them too. On top of that there will be fireworks and free cake for all.

Also everyone gets laid.

You know you almost had me convinced until the bit about prog fans getting laid. Everything up to there seemed plausible by comparison.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on July 05, 2016, 12:10:14 AM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

I would be fine with and not surprised by MP taking a bit of a higher profile vocally in this performance. I could see him singing more of Repentance, doing some of the spoken/rapped parts in This Dying Soul, and maybe doing a couple lines in The Root of All Evil (he already sings a harmony on "never could have just a part of it" on the album, I could see him taking a lead on that). I also think him singing along with whoever the lead singer is on "I am responsible..." is almost a given.

But the whole thing? Not even close to possible. So much of it is beyond his capabilities in a perfect studio environment, let alone live while also playing some pretty intense drum parts. And he knows it. I'm sure he'll get a singer or singers who are capable of doing the lines as written. Daniel Gildenlöw, as people have pointed out, is a solid candidate.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 05, 2016, 12:28:34 AM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

I would be fine with and not surprised by MP taking a bit of a higher profile vocally in this performance. I could see him singing more of Repentance, doing some of the spoken/rapped parts in This Dying Soul, and maybe doing a couple lines in The Root of All Evil (he already sings a harmony on "never could have just a part of it" on the album, I could see him taking a lead on that). I also think him singing along with whoever the lead singer is on "I am responsible..." is almost a given.

But the whole thing? Not even close to possible. So much of it is beyond his capabilities in a perfect studio environment, let alone live while also playing some pretty intense drum parts. And he knows it. I'm sure he'll get a singer or singers who are capable of doing the lines as written. Daniel Gildenlöw, as people have pointed out, is a solid candidate.

Honestly, I can't see Daniel wanting to even learn that much. He seems much more of a "I sing what I write" kinda guy. Learning the entire suite? I doubt it. Learning some small part of it? Sure.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 05, 2016, 01:34:33 AM
Gildenlöw was on tour with Transatlantic and played on records by The Flower Kings and Ayreon's 01011001, performing songs that weren't written by him and he did the Hammer Of The Gods thing with Portnoy, Gilbert and LaRue, a whole concert of Led Zep cover tunes. So if he is asked by Portnoy to sing the suite, I don't think he will refuse because he hasn't written it.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 05, 2016, 01:45:57 AM
I'll give you the Zeppelin thing. That seemed pretty out of character for him. The rest though were relatively small parts. Like I said, I can see him doing part of the suite. But outside of the Zeppelin thing I've never seen indication that he'd learn over an hour of another bands material for lead vocals.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on July 05, 2016, 06:28:11 AM
I vote Russell Allen.   All in favor say aye....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 05, 2016, 07:35:55 AM
You know you almost had me convinced until the bit about prog fans getting laid. Everything up to there seemed plausible by comparison.

(https://img.ifcdn.com/images/3398fa9dbb6cc1420bea1470b078b940aa1e70af4f7dddde1974687b19ac8cc9_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on July 05, 2016, 08:26:41 AM
For those who may have missed it, MP will be playing the 12-step Suite in its entirety on Cruise to the Edge 2017.

The two cruises I've been on have been two of the best weeks of my life, but the lineup for this still is far inferior to the two I was on, and this doesn't really push me into must go mode quite yet. I fear finances just will not be there, and I will unfortunately miss this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 05, 2016, 08:44:02 AM
For those who may have missed it, MP will be playing the 12-step Suite in its entirety on Cruise to the Edge 2017.

:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on July 05, 2016, 09:26:52 AM
Sorry, didn't realize I had opened this up to a non current page last time.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on July 05, 2016, 10:23:04 AM
You know you almost had me convinced until the bit about prog fans getting laid. Everything up to there seemed plausible by comparison.

(https://img.ifcdn.com/images/3398fa9dbb6cc1420bea1470b078b940aa1e70af4f7dddde1974687b19ac8cc9_1.jpg)

Ahem.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on July 05, 2016, 11:44:36 AM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

I didn't expect the PSMS versions of the DT tunes to beat the originals (nor I think it was their intention to do so in the first place), but hardcore MP fans never miss a chance of stating something like: 'Better than DT! MP soul & heart of DT 4 ever!'. I'm usually very chill with differing opinions, but that's kinda a soft spot that annoys me to some extent.

It's one of the reasons I left MP's forums. If people think the DT-side forums here are bad, they haven't spent any time at mp.com.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on July 05, 2016, 11:55:07 AM
Ahem.

Outlier.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 05, 2016, 01:47:16 PM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

I didn't expect the PSMS versions of the DT tunes to beat the originals (nor I think it was their intention to do so in the first place), but hardcore MP fans never miss a chance of stating something like: 'Better than DT! MP soul & heart of DT 4 ever!'. I'm usually very chill with differing opinions, but that's kinda a soft spot that annoys me to some extent.
It's one of the reasons I left MP's forums. If people think the DT-side forums here are bad, they haven't spent any time at mp.com.  :lol

Yeah, I think I've only been twice over there. I can't hande it lol.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on July 05, 2016, 02:23:16 PM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

I didn't expect the PSMS versions of the DT tunes to beat the originals (nor I think it was their intention to do so in the first place), but hardcore MP fans never miss a chance of stating something like: 'Better than DT! MP soul & heart of DT 4 ever!'. I'm usually very chill with differing opinions, but that's kinda a soft spot that annoys me to some extent.
It's one of the reasons I left MP's forums. If people think the DT-side forums here are bad, they haven't spent any time at mp.com.  :lol

Yeah, I think I've only been twice over there. I can't hande it lol.

Couple that with the fact that MP will post and have some interesting responses to fans with opinions that conflict with his, it just makes matters worse. Don't get me wrong. I'm still a big fan of MP, but his dedicated presence in social media sometimes works against him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 05, 2016, 02:44:50 PM
I've already seen some comments on how 'MP SHOULD SING IT GIVEN HE'S BETTER THAN JLB!' in some discussions of this.

Oh, my. I love MP and most of the music he's been involved with but his diehard fans can be quite a handful.

I didn't expect the PSMS versions of the DT tunes to beat the originals (nor I think it was their intention to do so in the first place), but hardcore MP fans never miss a chance of stating something like: 'Better than DT! MP soul & heart of DT 4 ever!'. I'm usually very chill with differing opinions, but that's kinda a soft spot that annoys me to some extent.
It's one of the reasons I left MP's forums. If people think the DT-side forums here are bad, they haven't spent any time at mp.com.  :lol

Yeah, I think I've only been twice over there. I can't hande it lol.

Couple that with the fact that MP will post and have some interesting responses to fans with opinions that conflict with his, it just makes matters worse. Don't get me wrong. I'm still a big fan of MP, but his dedicated presence in social media sometimes works against him.
Yeah. I get his 'I'm always SINCERE and VOCAL for my fans' approach, but that's not the most intelligent thing you should do if you're a person with a strong mediatic presence, I think.  Remember the first couple of years after he left DT? His DT-related posts were a mess. It wouldn't hurt him having someone that serves as a filter of what to post and what to avoid, with a very subtle: 'hey, you can still be yourself, but a little less of yourself'.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Darkstarshades on July 09, 2016, 05:57:26 AM
Honestly if I had the money, the time, and lived way closer, I would consider going but I'll probably end up not doing so.
Sure, it's the ultimate hanging with MP experience ever, but still, why not making a concert and filming it?
A 3+ hour concert of just MP stuff with guests and that would be very awesome, or maybe he could perform two nights and record both, with each night focusing on different stuff, the first one going on proggy stuff (DT, Transatlantic, etc) and the second one going more metal focused, as well as placing stuff from other projects such as Flying Colors here and there.
I'm very sure that would be better, more accesible, and way cheaper for him than hiring this hugeassboat.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on July 14, 2016, 02:33:03 PM
In case you of you didn't know yet, Mike Portnoy isn't counting on a reunion with DT.  Thanks for the heads up, Blabbermouth!  ::)

Link: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-wouldnt-count-on-reunion-with-dream-theater/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 14, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
Nobody hates Blabbermouth more than Mike Portnoy. They always misconstrue his words and take out of context quotes and turn them into headlines.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on July 14, 2016, 07:35:43 PM
He actually comes off as pretty reasonable in that interview.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bolsters on July 14, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
If Mike said in an interview that Blabbermouth can go fuck themselves, would they write an article about it? :justjen
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on July 14, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
MIKE PORTNOY: Music journalists "can go fuck themselves".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on July 14, 2016, 09:19:58 PM
Blabbermouth is like the TMZ of the music world.  However, Portnoy says enough inflammatory things to where he's earned that rep, therefore anything that can be used as a headline to garner clicks on their site, will be.  This isn't new. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on July 14, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
If Mike said in an interview that Blabbermouth can go fuck themselves, would they write an article about it? :justjen

No, they'd turn his words around and say Mike wants to take it in the ass from a blabbermouth.

(https://babalublog.com/wpr/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/honeymooners-blabbermouth.gif)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: kaos2900 on July 15, 2016, 06:25:12 AM
I don't get the hate for blabbermouth. I don't view them as a TMZ but more of a grudge. There is a lot of cool news that you'd never hear anywhere else. They don't comment on the articles just post snippets of interviews. If MP doesn't want to be on blabbermouth then he should stop saying stupid things.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on July 15, 2016, 09:34:54 AM
I think the real problem with Blabbermouth is that they're not real interested in the spirit of the conversation.   I've seen too many articles where they piece together interviews from various times to create a misleading impression, even if the actual words are words said by the interviewee. 

Not quite as bad as Howard Stern's crew taking snippets from people's audio books to say things like "I...like... to cup... the... buttocks... of... little boys." but close enough. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 15, 2016, 11:32:22 AM
I think the real problem with Blabbermouth is that they're not real interested in the spirit of the conversation.   I've seen too many articles where they piece together interviews from various times to create a misleading impression, even if the actual words are words said by the interviewee. 

Not quite as bad as Howard Stern's crew taking snippets from people's audio books to say things like "I...like... to cup... the... buttocks... of... little boys." but close enough.

MP likes to cup the buttocks of little boys?????

Better tell BM!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
I think the real problem with Blabbermouth is that they're not real interested in the spirit of the conversation.   I've seen too many articles where they piece together interviews from various times to create a misleading impression, even if the actual words are words said by the interviewee. 

Not quite as bad as Howard Stern's crew taking snippets from people's audio books to say things like "I...like... to cup... the... buttocks... of... little boys." but close enough.

MP likes to cup the buttocks of little boys?????

Better tell BM!
I really don't think Baby Metal would care much, unless you know something about them that I don't. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on July 15, 2016, 11:47:49 AM
I think the real problem with Blabbermouth is that they're not real interested in the spirit of the conversation.   I've seen too many articles where they piece together interviews from various times to create a misleading impression, even if the actual words are words said by the interviewee. 

Not quite as bad as Howard Stern's crew taking snippets from people's audio books to say things like "I...like... to cup... the... buttocks... of... little boys." but close enough.

MP likes to cup the buttocks of little boys?????

Better tell BM!
I really don't think Baby Metal would care much, unless you know something about them that I don't.

Well, wouldn't they consider MP to be competition at that point?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2016, 01:03:52 PM
I hadn't considered it from that perspective.  Thank you for setting me straight. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
So, as not to disrupt the chatter about the cruise thing in that thread, I thought this thread would be a better place for this question:

Considering how many albums he has been a part of, if you had to list your favorites in order, say 20, what would they be?  Studio albums, of course.

Off the top of my head..

1. Awake (DT)
2. Images & Words (DT)
3. Scenes from a Memory (DT)
4. Bridge Across Forever (TA)
5. SMPTe (TA)
6. The Whirlwind (TA)
7. Liquid Tension Experiment - s/t (LTE)
8. The Grand Experiment (Neal Morse Band)
9. Liquid Tension Experiment - Volume 2 (LTE)
10. The Similitude of a Dream (Neal Morse Band) (still new, so could still move up)
11. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (DT)
12. One (Neal Morse)
13. ? (Neal Morse)
14. Flying Colors - s/t
15. Falling into Infinity (DT)
16. Testimony Two (Neal Morse)
17. Kaleidoscope (TA)
18. Sola Scriptura (Neal Morse)
19. Momentum (Neal Morse)
20. Second Nature (Flying Colors)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on February 11, 2017, 03:10:02 PM
https://youtu.be/4sgzUl11LFQ


https://youtu.be/wrnr-lt7plI

EDIT: Of boy, yeah, MP's backing vocals haven't changed :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on February 11, 2017, 03:17:48 PM
https://youtu.be/4sgzUl11LFQ


https://youtu.be/wrnr-lt7plI

EDIT: Of boy, yeah, MP's backing vocals haven't changed :lol

Good idea posting it here in case no one saw my posting of these two links in the thread dedicated to those performances from MP's Birthday Bash that I posted half an hour ago! :tup

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 06:18:52 PM
So, as not to disrupt the chatter about the cruise thing in that thread, I thought this thread would be a better place for this question:

Considering how many albums he has been a part of, if you had to list your favorites in order, say 20, what would they be?  Studio albums, of course.

Off the top of my head..

1. Awake (DT)
2. Images & Words (DT)
3. Scenes from a Memory (DT)
4. Bridge Across Forever (TA)
5. SMPTe (TA)
6. The Whirlwind (TA)

7. Liquid Tension Experiment - s/t (LTE)
8. The Grand Experiment (Neal Morse Band)
9. Liquid Tension Experiment - Volume 2 (LTE)
10. The Similitude of a Dream (Neal Morse Band) (still new, so could still move up)
11. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (DT)
12. One (Neal Morse)
13. ? (Neal Morse)
14. Flying Colors - s/t

15. Falling into Infinity (DT)
16. Testimony Two (Neal Morse)
17. Kaleidoscope (TA)
18. Sola Scriptura (Neal Morse)
19. Momentum (Neal Morse)
20. Second Nature (Flying Colors)


I've literally never heard the bolded albums. Actually I gave Whirlwind and the FC s/t a listen and they were horrible. Especially the FC.
Especially the FC. What an immense fucking waste of talent. And that singer....??
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
So you never heard SFAM? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 06:22:40 PM
So you never heard SFAM? :neverusethis:

Fixed!


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2017, 06:26:21 PM
I'm having deja vu.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 06:27:01 PM
I'm having deja vu.  :lol
That's strange.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2017, 06:27:59 PM
How many times have you seen me type "fixed!"?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on February 11, 2017, 06:38:16 PM
So, as not to disrupt the chatter about the cruise thing in that thread, I thought this thread would be a better place for this question:

Considering how many albums he has been a part of, if you had to list your favorites in order, say 20, what would they be?  Studio albums, of course.

Off the top of my head..

1. Awake (DT)
2. Images & Words (DT)
3. Scenes from a Memory (DT)
4. Bridge Across Forever (TA)
5. SMPTe (TA)
6. The Whirlwind (TA)
7. Liquid Tension Experiment - s/t (LTE)
8. The Grand Experiment (Neal Morse Band)
9. Liquid Tension Experiment - Volume 2 (LTE)
10. The Similitude of a Dream (Neal Morse Band) (still new, so could still move up)
11. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (DT)
12. One (Neal Morse)
13. ? (Neal Morse)
14. Flying Colors - s/t
15. Falling into Infinity (DT)
16. Testimony Two (Neal Morse)
17. Kaleidoscope (TA)
18. Sola Scriptura (Neal Morse)
19. Momentum (Neal Morse)
20. Second Nature (Flying Colors)

Looks like you got a lot of my favorites in there as well. Almost everything Mike has done with Neal, be it with his solo albums, Transatlantic, or Flying Colors, would be in my Top 20 MP albums of all time. I think you've got them all except Testimony and Lifeline,

I'm not sure how I would rank mine (it would take me awhile to think about it, so I may come back to it later on), but I think I would at least definitely include the first OSI album. I love that one a whole lot, lots of great playing by MP, especially for a small kit, and I love the over-all atmosphere of the album.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 11, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
How many times have you seen me type "fixed!"?

You've typed it so many times, you actually know how to spell it! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 11, 2017, 06:45:22 PM
Shhhhiiitt! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2017, 07:57:52 AM


I've literally never heard the bolded albums. Actually I gave Whirlwind and the FC s/t a listen and they were horrible. Especially the FC.
Especially the FC. What an immense fucking waste of talent. And that singer....??

I may have to smack you for that one. ;)  Casey McPherson is a terrific singer.

I'm not sure how I would rank mine (it would take me awhile to think about it, so I may come back to it later on), but I think I would at least definitely include the first OSI album. I love that one a whole lot, lots of great playing by MP, especially for a small kit, and I love the over-all atmosphere of the album.

That OSI album just missed the cut for me.  I like it a lot, but I don't listen to it that much anymore, so it was hard to include it.  I probably gave FC's Second Nature the nod over it for number 20 based on the recency factor. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bertielee on February 12, 2017, 08:48:25 AM

I've literally never heard the bolded albums. Actually I gave Whirlwind and the FC s/t a listen and they were horrible. Especially the FC.
Especially the FC. What an immense fucking waste of talent. And that singer....??

I may have to smack you for that one. ;)  Casey McPherson is a terrible singer.


Fixed.  :biggrin:

Agree with TAc on that one. The singer does nothing for me. Can't get the hype around him (just like with the singer from Haken btw).

B.Lee
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on February 12, 2017, 08:57:41 AM
So, as not to disrupt the chatter about the cruise thing in that thread, I thought this thread would be a better place for this question:

Considering how many albums he has been a part of, if you had to list your favorites in order, say 20, what would they be?  Studio albums, of course.

Off the top of my head..

1. Awake (DT)
2. Images & Words (DT)
3. Scenes from a Memory (DT)
4. Bridge Across Forever (TA)
5. SMPTe (TA)
6. The Whirlwind (TA)
7. Liquid Tension Experiment - s/t (LTE)
8. The Grand Experiment (Neal Morse Band)
9. Liquid Tension Experiment - Volume 2 (LTE)
10. The Similitude of a Dream (Neal Morse Band) (still new, so could still move up)
11. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (DT)
12. One (Neal Morse)
13. ? (Neal Morse)
14. Flying Colors - s/t
15. Falling into Infinity (DT)
16. Testimony Two (Neal Morse)
17. Kaleidoscope (TA)
18. Sola Scriptura (Neal Morse)
19. Momentum (Neal Morse)
20. Second Nature (Flying Colors)

Took a crack at this, although I'm admittedly hampered by not being familiar with most of his work on Neal's solo albums. A Change of Seasons would probably be in the top 10 if it wasn't mostly live performances.

1. Scenes from a Memory (DT)
2. Awake (DT)
3. Images & Words (DT)
4. Bridge Across Forever (TA)
5. Liquid Tension Experiment - Volume 2 (LTE)
6. SMPTe (TA)
7. Liquid Tension Experiment - s/t (LTE)
8. The Whirlwind (TA)
9. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (DT)
10. Flying Colors - s/t
11. The Similitude of a Dream (Neal Morse Band)
12. The Winery Dogs - s/t
13. Kaleidoscope (TA)
14. Second Nature (Flying Colors)
15. Sola Scriptura (Neal Morse)
16. Octavarium (DT)
17. Hot Streak (Winery Dogs)
18. ? (Neal Morse)
19. Falling Into Infinity (DT)
20. Black Clouds and Silver Linings (DT)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on February 12, 2017, 06:25:38 PM
Of all of the full-length LP studio albums that Mike has drummed on as the main/primary drummer, I've listened to 32 of them. Here's how I've ranked them (for now, though this was hastily thrown together, so some albums could shift a place or two on any given day with me):

01. Bridge Across Forever (TA)
02. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (DT)
03. The Whirlwind (TA)
04. Scenes From A Memory (DT)
05. Images And Words (DT)
06. One (NM)
07. The Grand Experiment (NMB)
08. The Similitude Of A Dream (NMB)
09. Awake (DT)
10. ? (NM)
11. Testimony (NM)
12. Testimony 2 (NM)
13. Liquid Tension Experiment I (LTE)
14. Octavarium (DT)
15. SMPT:e (TA)
16. Flying Colors (FC)
17. Kaleidoscope (TA)
18. Second Nature (FC)
19. Black Clouds & Silver Linings (DT)
20. Office Of Strategic Influence (OSI)
21. Momentum (NM)
22. Train Of Thought (DT)
23. Sola Scriptura (NM)
24. Liquid Tension Experiment II (LTE)
25. Systematic Chaos (DT)
26. A Proggy Christmas (TPWO)
27. The Winery Dogs (TWD)
28. Falling Into Infinity (DT)
29. Free (OSI)
30. Lifeline (NM)
31. When Dream And Day Unite (DT)
32. Omerta (AM)

Albums I Haven't Heard/Owned:
Hot Streak (TWD)
Into The Maelstrom (Bigelf)
Metal Allegiance (Metal Allegiance)
Nightmare (A7X)

Seeing axeman list Hot Streak in their list made me want to seek it out, so I"m going to give it a spin and see if I like it anywhere as much as I did the first Winery Dogs albums. As for the other three I haven't heard, I doubt I ever will as I am not really into the kind of metal that MA does, and I'm not into A7X or Bigelf.

I was tempted to put The Working Man Rush Tribute in there, but Mike only drummed on 6 of the album's tracks, but DAMN is that album some great stuff, especially the renditions of "La Villa Strangiato" and "Jacob's Ladder", which Mike drums on both. Funnily enough, every track with Mike also features Dogs member Billy Sheehan on bass! Go figure! This album might also be the first time Mike drummed on a track with Steve Morse on a studio album (on "La Villa Strangiato"), though I could be wrong about that. Of course, he'd later go on to form Flying Colors with him!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2017, 08:53:52 PM
My order of the first three Transatlantic albums varies from day to day.  I could see Similitude rising up the number 7 if it holds up well, which I think it well, but he's gonna have a hard time ever topping those first three TA albums and the top 3 DT records (I&W, Awake and Scenes).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: kaos2900 on April 06, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
Well it sounds like The Winery Dogs is on hold for a couple of years. I'm okay with that as I much prefer Flying Color and Neal Morse.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2017, 08:22:50 AM
I was painting this weekend and I was just putting on music that struck me - some Flying Colors, some Neal Morse, some Transatlantic - and it dawned on me that I could just make a "Portnoy Playlist" and be done with it.  Blackmore is by far my favorite musician and has been since 1982 or so, but I think I probably listen to more "Portnoy" than any musician in my collection (and I have about 1,500 CDs). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 06, 2017, 08:32:38 AM
I was painting this weekend and I was just putting on music that struck me - some Flying Colors, some Neal Morse, some Transatlantic - and it dawned on me that I could just make a "Portnoy Playlist" and be done with it.  Blackmore is by far my favorite musician and has been since 1982 or so, but I think I probably listen to more "Portnoy" than any musician in my collection (and I have about 1,500 CDs).
I would classify that list as Neal Morse, not Mike Portnoy.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2017, 08:47:36 AM
Well, to be fair, Portnoy has probably done more albums than just about any other musician in your (or anybody's) collection.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 06, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
Well it sounds like The Winery Dogs is on hold for a couple of years. I'm okay with that as I much prefer Flying Color and Neal Morse.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-future-i-dont-foresee-anything-happening-for-a-couple-of-years/
Opposite for me. FC never did anything for me, and they're not going to tour down here. While WD is hit or miss, they have enough very good music to put on one helluva good show which they seem to bring to Dallas twice per tour. I'll miss seeing them.

With that said, after the last show down here (end of the last tour) I kind of started to think Kotzen probably isn't going to be a longterm thing, so I'm not hugely surprised.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on April 08, 2017, 09:00:11 AM
Just watched a pretty interesting interview with MP done by the official DT fan club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqdtOmVNraw
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Prog Snob on April 08, 2017, 09:05:04 AM
I'll add that to my Watch Later pile. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on June 22, 2018, 08:47:28 AM
New Metal Allegiance video and album announcement!   That lineup of singers is AMAZING, and the song is better than anything on the debut.


Mother of Sin (featuring Bobby Blitz  :metal):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxDy11uRxNc

Quote
Check out the new music video for the first single “Mother of Sin” from the upcoming Metal Allegiance album entitled “Volume II: Power Drunk Majesty”. This song features Bobby Blitz on vocals with Alex Skolnick & Andreas Kisser on guitars, Mark Menghi on bass and Mike Portnoy on drums!


The new METAL ALLEGIANCE album “Volume II: Power Drunk Majesty” will be out September 7th, 2018 via Nuclear Blast Entertainment. Order your copy of Volume II - Power Drunk Majesty, here: nuclearblast.com/metalallegiance2-pdm

Volume II - Power Drunk Majesty was produced by Mark Menghi and Alex Skolnick while Mark Lewis of MRL Studios handled the mixing and mastering. The cover artwork was created by renowned artist Marcelo Vasco (SLAYER, MACHINE HEAD, SOULFLY, HATEBREED) and Rafael Tavares.

Below is the Track list:
 1. The Accuser (feat. Trevor Strnad)
 2. Bound by Silence (feat. John Bush)
 3. Mother of Sin (feat. Bobby Blitz)
 4. Terminal Illusion (feat. Mark Tornillo)
 5. King with a Paper Crown (feat. Johan Hegg)
 6. Voodoo of the Godsend (feat. Max Cavalera)
 7. Liars & Thieves (feat. Troy Sanders)
 8. Impulse Control (feat. Mark Osegueda)
 9. Power Drunk Majesty (Part I) (feat. Mark Osegueda)
10. Power Drunk Majesty (Part II) (feat. Floor Jansen)

ORDER AT
 Nuclear Blast: nuclearblast.com/metalallegiance2-pdm
 iTunes: https://nblast.de/MetalAllegiance2PDMIT
 Amazon Music: https://nblast.de/MetalAllegiance2PDMAZ
 Google Play: https://nblast.de/MetalAllegiance2PDMGP

LISTEN AT:
 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/5cfZlXJmo1yJGepkwQTlGi
 Apple Music: https://nblast.de/MetalAllegiance2PDMAM
 Deezer: https://www.deezer.com/en/artist/8477822

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36053748_1799294220165610_3670647890620973056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeE8UcqDGx82gqE23VKLHu0RwrJJXrXS1KI2Mj7cW9Qi_RM5CQakxjlfH7WbbDD37b62InRqJ4G2S4jXvYJy3sWqXmpJayymkmhwwwpozU5BPw&oh=cb9ba83769749296933880db148f36e1&oe=5BEC6A2F)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 22, 2018, 08:56:19 AM
I think I’ve heard of like 2 of those singers.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on June 22, 2018, 09:05:39 AM
I think I’ve heard of like 2 of those singers.

Trevor Strnad - the Black Dahlia Murder
John Bush - Armored Saint, Anthrax
Bobby Blitz - Overkill
Mark Tornillo - Accept
Johan Hegg - Amon Amarth
Max Cavalera - Sepultura, Soulfly, Cavalera Conspiracy
Troy Sanders - Mastodon
Mark Osegueda - Death Angel
Floor Jansen - Nightwish

My original post missed the song with Floor, which I just added in.  I'm glad that they got a lot of different singers this time and didn't reuse too many from the first album (Mark, Troy).  Also FLOOR!   :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ariich on June 22, 2018, 09:07:52 AM
I think I’ve heard of like 2 of those singers.
Cavalera and Jansen by any chance?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 22, 2018, 09:24:54 AM
I think I’ve heard of like 2 of those singers.
Cavalera and Jansen by any chance?

And Blitz. Honestly didn’t see Jansen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 22, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
Song was Rockin....I liked it. Interested in this one more than the first, which I have yet to listen to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on June 22, 2018, 09:53:38 AM
Didn't enjoy that song. Not very good. Hopefully the rest of the album has some stronger material, but I think I played the first one maybe two times total. The one song I remember enjoying most was Can't Kill The Devil, which is essentially a Testament song, so I hope there's more of that kind of metal. Can't stand the singer here. Maybe there's too many cooks in the kitchen?

EDIT: Just noticed Johan, Floor, and Mark on the album. That's a recipe for me enjoying this album more than the first... hope one of their songs is released before the album  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2018, 09:57:39 AM
On a totally unrelated note, did anyone check Mike's message on FB about a fan walking to his door and ringing the bell asking to talk to him to his wife? geez, surely he just wanted to meet his hero and had no bad intent but the complete lack of tact and common decency of some people is staggering.

I wouldn't walk to the house of anyone of my favorite musicians should I know where they live. Being so naive to the point of doing that and thinking to be welcomed is.... dunno. People are weird.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Art on June 22, 2018, 10:20:57 AM
I wanna hear the song with John Bush. The rest, i can take or leave...

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on June 22, 2018, 10:30:38 AM
I wanna hear the song with John Bush. The rest, i can take or leave...

They played it live in January:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9FJ93vLaQA.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ? on June 22, 2018, 12:16:34 PM
On a totally unrelated note, did anyone check Mike's message on FB about a fan walking to his door and ringing the bell asking to talk to him to his wife? geez, surely he just wanted to meet his hero and had no bad intent but the complete lack of tact and common decency of some people is staggering.

I wouldn't walk to the house of anyone of my favorite musicians should I know where they live. Being so naive to the point of doing that and thinking to be welcomed is.... dunno. People are weird.
That's creepy as hell...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mindflux on June 22, 2018, 12:20:13 PM
On a totally unrelated note, did anyone check Mike's message on FB about a fan walking to his door and ringing the bell asking to talk to him to his wife? geez, surely he just wanted to meet his hero and had no bad intent but the complete lack of tact and common decency of some people is staggering.

I wouldn't walk to the house of anyone of my favorite musicians should I know where they live. Being so naive to the point of doing that and thinking to be welcomed is.... dunno. People are weird.


I saw that. I had to assume that perhaps it was a cultural difference. The guy was from Brazil I think?  Either that or just a creeper.... but yeah... bad form.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Art on June 22, 2018, 12:25:07 PM
I wanna hear the song with John Bush. The rest, i can take or leave...

They played it live in January:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9FJ93vLaQA.

Cool! Thanks! :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on June 22, 2018, 03:44:19 PM
On a totally unrelated note, did anyone check Mike's message on FB about a fan walking to his door and ringing the bell asking to talk to him to his wife? geez, surely he just wanted to meet his hero and had no bad intent but the complete lack of tact and common decency of some people is staggering.

I wouldn't walk to the house of anyone of my favorite musicians should I know where they live. Being so naive to the point of doing that and thinking to be welcomed is.... dunno. People are weird.


I saw that. I had to assume that perhaps it was a cultural difference. The guy was from Brazil I think?  Either that or just a creeper.... but yeah... bad form.

The fan was actually from Ecuador. (Just saying for the sake of correctness.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on June 22, 2018, 04:46:29 PM
On a totally unrelated note, did anyone check Mike's message on FB about a fan walking to his door and ringing the bell asking to talk to him to his wife? geez, surely he just wanted to meet his hero and had no bad intent but the complete lack of tact and common decency of some people is staggering.

I wouldn't walk to the house of anyone of my favorite musicians should I know where they live. Being so naive to the point of doing that and thinking to be welcomed is.... dunno. People are weird.


I saw that. I had to assume that perhaps it was a cultural difference. The guy was from Brazil I think?  Either that or just a creeper.... but yeah... bad form.

The fan was actually from Ecuador. (Just saying for the sake of correctness.)

Thanks. I was going to ask Mindflux to leave us poor Brazilians out of this. But you never know... Creepers can come from anywhere...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2018, 06:30:29 PM
That kind of behavior is creepy, no matter where you are from.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on June 22, 2018, 10:07:40 PM
In this day and age I am honestly surprised we don't hear more stories like that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2018, 12:58:06 PM
I think I’ve heard of like 2 of those singers.

Trevor Strnad - the Black Dahlia Murder
John Bush - Armored Saint, Anthrax
Bobby Blitz - Overkill
Mark Tornillo - Accept
Johan Hegg - Amon Amarth
Max Cavalera - Sepultura, Soulfly, Cavalera Conspiracy
Troy Sanders - Mastodon
Mark Osegueda - Death Angel
Floor Jansen - Nightwish

Thanks for the additional info.!  :tup

With that clarification:
I think I’ve heard of like 2 of those singers.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 28, 2018, 03:38:30 PM
Rumors are circulating that Ellefson and Skolnik are out of Metal Allegiance
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 28, 2018, 03:50:19 PM
Rumors are circulating that Ellefson and Skolnik are out of Metal Allegiance

Can I ask where you're hearing that? I saw both of them promoting the new album fairly recently. Was looking forward to the release party gig in NYC too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 28, 2018, 04:19:22 PM
Rumors are circulating that Ellefson and Skolnik are out of Metal Allegiance

Can I ask where you're hearing that? I saw both of them promoting the new album fairly recently. Was looking forward to the release party gig in NYC too.

A friend told me via FB he read in a Brazilian site that MA had a show booked in Brazil and that it got canceled, and that the reason might be that Alex and David opted out. My friend hasn’t sent me the article where he read it yet. That’s why I said “rumors”. What I don’t get is, if this is true it should be in all music news site, right?
Let’s see

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 28, 2018, 04:21:41 PM
SOURCE in Portuguese:

https://www.destakjornal.com.br/diversao---arte/musica/detalhe/the-offspring-adia-vinda-para-marco-metal-allegiance-tambem-nao-vem-mais
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 28, 2018, 04:26:44 PM
If it was true, it would be in English.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 28, 2018, 05:30:32 PM
I went ahead and asked MP about it. Let’s see if he replies
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 28, 2018, 05:31:15 PM
Could be true. Skolnick just announded his new trio album and tour. Supposedly, Megadeth is also in the writing stages of a new album due next year.

I always thought of MA more of like a collabration between metal peeps and not an official band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 29, 2018, 11:59:26 AM
Anyways, they still have Mark Menghi as a founder member and bassist, and tons of other collaborating guitarists.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 29, 2018, 02:13:31 PM
Could be true. Skolnick just announded his new trio album and tour. Supposedly, Megadeth is also in the writing stages of a new album due next year.

I always thought of MA more of like a collabration between metal peeps and not an official band.

Me as well. To be honest, I haven't been overly impressed with MA, and not sure why they did albums. I mean, as a live act once in a blue moon, sure. But as a recording entity? Pass...

To those that know MP the best, do you ever think the guy will ever settle down, musically? I mean, he was with DT for so long, and did side projects. Now these side projects are his day job. And lets be frank -- none of them will ever be successful the way DT was. Will he ever change his tune, and perhaps join a band that is respected if he is given enough control in that band to make it his "home?"

Or will he continue to be a nomad until the end?

I had high hopes for the Sons of Apollo band. And thought the live show was exciting. But I don't think the tour actually sold as many tickets as the members of the audience would indicate, and the record did nothing. I have to believe that Mike wants back on a bigger stage at some point...

Anyway, just mid-week ramblings pointed at Setlist Scotty, or any person who is more familiar with Mike than I am (which is not much, other than just following his career).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on August 29, 2018, 02:54:41 PM
I hope SOA hangs in there long enough to make a cutting edge second record and see where it goes. It would be a shame to throw in the towel this early. A sophmore effort should be on the agenda.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 29, 2018, 02:59:05 PM
I hope SOA hangs in there long enough to make a cutting edge second record and see where it goes. It would be a shame to throw in the towel this early. A sophmore effort should be on the agenda.

Only if they all say fuck it and try and do something special, instead of trying to appeal to the masses with the generic crap they did on the first album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2018, 03:00:24 PM
I think one issue, mostly with bands like SOA, are that MP got into a very good and comfortable rhythm and work process with DT and then tried to apply to the new bands, without realizing that this process was only successful after years and years and years of working with this band, building the rhythm from scratch and easing into it. Doing it without all of that stuff results in half-baked, rushed products that don't have the brotherhood or chemistry necessary to carry them through.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on August 29, 2018, 03:24:11 PM
I think one issue, mostly with bands like SOA, are that MP got into a very good and comfortable rhythm and work process with DT and then tried to apply to the new bands, without realizing that this process was only successful after years and years and years of working with this band, building the rhythm from scratch and easing into it. Doing it without all of that stuff results in half-baked, rushed products that don't have the brotherhood or chemistry necessary to carry them through.

...or people like Petrucci and Rudess that, as LTE proved, are able to crank out excellent music a in a very short amount of time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
I think one issue, mostly with bands like SOA, are that MP got into a very good and comfortable rhythm and work process with DT and then tried to apply to the new bands, without realizing that this process was only successful after years and years and years of working with this band, building the rhythm from scratch and easing into it. Doing it without all of that stuff results in half-baked, rushed products that don't have the brotherhood or chemistry necessary to carry them through.

...or people like Petrucci and Rudess that, as LTE proved, are able to crank out excellent music a in a very short amount of time.

Yes, and that is very rare. But even with LTE, you had years of chemistry between Portnoy and Petrucci to help. Also LTE was a different beast since it's instrumental, often times jam music. The writing style is VERY different. I'm pretty confident that if MP went the LTE route with other musicians, it would actually turn out pretty awesome, since those are his strengths, he just needs to find people with similar strengths.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on August 29, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
I hope SOA hangs in there long enough to make a cutting edge second record and see where it goes. It would be a shame to throw in the towel this early. A sophmore effort should be on the agenda.

Only if they all say fuck it and try and do something special, instead of trying to appeal to the masses with the generic crap they did on the first album.
I wouldn't go as far as calling their first album generic, it has its strong points and the material translated even better live.  I do think they have a better one in them though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 03:16:48 AM
It would be nice for a follow up album if for no other reason than to follow through with what they said, which is forming a full time band.  To me that means a follow up is necessary, otherwise you kind of justified all the shit talk you got when you started the band and that shit talk will follow to whatever else MP were to start next.    Now I'm not saying it should be forced, if the guys feel they have no chemistry anymore, than so be it, you can't force the art, but with the talent and a great live show, these guys should put the effort to make a better second album and then see where that leads. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think it would be great for them to tag along as the opener for a big band.  Doesn't even need to be prog, but a big metal band.  Even if it's one of three bands on the bill, get out there in front of large audiences to build the name.  Right now, playing small gigs is only possible if they aren't willing to do the things necessary to build a band.  For example, I saw Pop Evil open for Cheap Trick and Poison this summer.  I don't see why SOA couldn't be in that Pop Evil spot.  Probably would have blown away a lot of the audience too with their musicianship and reached a new audience.  What do I know though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gborland on August 30, 2018, 07:40:27 AM
I have to believe that Mike wants back on a bigger stage at some point...

Why do you think he's being so civil to the DT guys on social media lately? He's making a huge deal out of the fact that his and JP's daughters are best buddies. You think he has an agenda?  :angel:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on August 30, 2018, 07:46:52 AM
I have to believe that Mike wants back on a bigger stage at some point...

Why do you think he's being so civil to the DT guys on social media lately? He's making a huge deal out of the fact that his and JP's daughters are best buddies. You think he has an agenda?  :angel:

I think you're confusing him with Neal Morse.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 08:04:32 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2018, 08:16:41 AM
I have to believe that Mike wants back on a bigger stage at some point...

Why do you think he's being so civil to the DT guys on social media lately? He's making a huge deal out of the fact that his and JP's daughters are best buddies. You think he has an agenda?  :angel:

I had a friend that was/is an AMAZING drummer.  Did some work with a band that had a national tour lined up (it wasn't Dangerous Toys, but it was someone like that), and was offered that tour.   He just found ways to sabotage the gig.   Asking for crazy shit (for a hired hand drummer).  Later another friend (the school teacher from the other thread by the way) met a dude with a cassette of songs and they thought they would give it one shot to see what could happen.  They called the drummer to come in.  Rehearsals were SICK; it was like a Cheap Trick/Oasis thing, and they started to line up some shows, and even got a headlining gig at Toad's Place (some of you have been there to see Dream Theater) and the week before the gig, he started to get wonky again. "I need a new drum set for a gig like that".   Blah blah blah.   Ended up not doing the show and quitting the band.  He sells insurance now.   

Point is, I get a similar vibe from Mike, but on a bigger scale.  It's like he WANTS to be at a certain level, but doesn't quite know how to get there.  He gets close then does something to sort of sabotage it.  Turning point for DT and he ups and quits, thinking the grass is greener with A7X, but he misplays that badly and he's out.   Amob.  Then there's the eve of the biggest album of Neal Morse's career, and he gets into his first fight with a guy that he's worked with for 20 years (and I don't know what anyone else thinks, but it doesn't seem the same since then).   Then SOA, and even though he's the man in charge, calling all the shots, they play games with the membership (though admittedly, that may not have been a choice), then they piss off half the potential fanbase before even a note of music is played...   

I'm a very big fan of the idea that a band is like a sports team.  It's not enough to be a good guitar player or drummer.  You need a guy in the band with vision.  You need a guy in the band that has no conscience (figuratively).  You need a guy in the band that can and will do anything (musically) that the work calls for.   You need a guy that is as reliable as the sun, to pick up the pieces when the shit hits the fan.  And you need a guy that is immune to the criticism wherever and from whomever it comes.    Even solo guys (like Springsteen) have all those pieces covered (and that's what makes them legends).     Maybe Mike has exactly the career he wants; I can't speak to that, only he can.   But I'm not getting that vibe, to be honest (and the path he's taken - 87 bands all circulating at once) is not a model that can extend forever.   McCartney and Jagger can do what they do at 70, I don't see Mike touring clubs with a  rag-tag allegiance of metal guys at 70 and being thrilled with it. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 08:20:53 AM
I could be mistaken, but I think you're reading a lot into Portnoy that isn't there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gborland on August 30, 2018, 08:30:21 AM
Next month I'll be seeing SoA playing the same tiny club that MP and DS played with DT on the FII tour 20 years ago. That has to hurt.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on August 30, 2018, 08:32:25 AM
I have to believe that Mike wants back on a bigger stage at some point...

Why do you think he's being so civil to the DT guys on social media lately? He's making a huge deal out of the fact that his and JP's daughters are best buddies. You think he has an agenda?  :angel:

Agenda as wanting back in DT? I don't think so. MP and JP have known each other for 30 years or so. They've done a lot of life together. It only seems appropriate that their daughters are close since they grew up with each other.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 30, 2018, 09:45:49 AM
The point of my post wasn't to start a "MP back in DT" discussion. While I personally feel that will happen at some point, the fact they are dedicated to MM and he just did drums on another record is proof enough that he is entrenched there until he doesn't want to be. At which time, I think MP would return. But if MM never gets to that point, MP won't be back.

My point was just to talk about how all these projects with lower-level potential, when I have to believe MP desires to get out of clubs and be playing bigger stages on a headline tour. I mean sure, a drummer gig in metal/hard rock -- there's only a few out there. But MP's resume speaks for itself. But a collaboration with some more...popular musicians may open doors for him. He has to have the contacts to leverage that to a degree, does he not?

But I don't know the man at all, which is why I asked the question. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he genuinely enjoys project-hopping and will do so into his 60s until he retires. I just can't see it personally, but since I don't have any insight to the guy, I was just looking for some, to better understand the choices he's made. Music, like politics, is who you know. MP knows everyone, ya know?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2018, 09:54:23 AM
But MP's resume speaks for itself. But a collaboration with some more...popular musicians may open doors for him. He has to have the contacts to leverage that to a degree, does he not?

I kind of thought that's what SOA was. A collaboration with the popular musicians he is close with.  I don't know if the "more popular" musicians out there have opening for MP to start a new band or for him to replace a current drummer in a mainstream band.  It's definitely possible, but I do feel like he wants to have some creative control as well, also hence SOA.  But I wouldn't put it past him to be a hired gun ala A7X or Twisted Sister if the opportunity presented itself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 30, 2018, 10:01:26 AM
But MP's resume speaks for itself. But a collaboration with some more...popular musicians may open doors for him. He has to have the contacts to leverage that to a degree, does he not?

I kind of thought that's what SOA was. A collaboration with the popular musicians he is close with.  I don't know if the "more popular" musicians out there have opening for MP to start a new band or for him to replace a current drummer in a mainstream band.  It's definitely possible, but I do feel like he wants to have some creative control as well, also hence SOA.  But I wouldn't put it past him to be a hired gun ala A7X or Twisted Sister if the opportunity presented itself.

WHat I meant was exactly that. He screwed up the A7X situation (that may not be what is said publicly, but that is what I believe), and obviously Twisted is a legacy act and that has sailed. But acts along those lines. A7X would have (IMO) absolutely given him input. But yeah, something that is a bigger band, or a band on the rise that is just entering that level, that wants to up their game in the drumming and creativity department.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 30, 2018, 11:32:03 AM
I have to believe that Mike wants back on a bigger stage at some point...
  Then there's the eve of the biggest album of Neal Morse's career, and he gets into his first fight with a guy that he's worked with for 20 years (and I don't know what anyone else thinks, but it doesn't seem the same since then).

MP had a fight with Neal Morse?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 12:00:03 PM
Who hasn't?  *I* had a fight with Neal Morse.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
Who hasn't?  *I* had a fight with Neal Morse.  :lol
'

Never had a fight with him, but he once made me a very lovely meal just outside of San Fran when i visited his restaurant. Coolest guy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2018, 12:03:55 PM
I could be mistaken, but I think you're reading a lot into Portnoy that isn't there.

Perhaps.  Most likely.   And I'm loathe to engage in speculation, especially since I probably AM lacking certain facts.  I would probably be the first one to say that "speculation is foolhardy".   But I'm getting a vibe, and I wanted to sort of present that to see if anyone shared it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 30, 2018, 12:10:39 PM
Who hasn't?  *I* had a fight with Neal Morse.  :lol
'

Never had a fight with him, but he once made me a very lovely meal just outside of San Fran when i visited his restaurant. Coolest guy.

(https://i.imgur.com/XS5LK.gif?noredirect)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 30, 2018, 12:28:02 PM
I think MP's controlling nature has worked against him over the course of his post-DT career, it ends up alienating people. He had frequently talked about MP as a brand in past interviews, and I think what he doesn't get is that people look for quality music, not the MP name when buying a record. Obviously, there are MP fanboys, but I don't think they alone can sustain a career.

I remember, post-DT, but still many years ago, MP came in for a rehearsal with one of his projects, with an impressive lineup of musicians I must add. I was still a Studio Assistant at the time. He wasn't the easiest guy to get along with for us as a crew and band members alike. Especially compared to the other band members. Adaptability is rather important. As a long time fan at the time, it was interesting for me to see him without it being a DVD or interview. Certainly destroyed the aura for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on August 30, 2018, 02:13:45 PM
I think MP's controlling nature has worked against him over the course of his post-DT career, it ends up alienating people. He had frequently talked about MP as a brand in past interviews, and I think what he doesn't get is that people look for quality music, not the MP name when buying a record. Obviously, there are MP fanboys, but I don't think they alone can sustain a career.

I remember, post-DT, but still many years ago, MP came in for a rehearsal with one of his projects, with an impressive lineup of musicians I must add. I was still a Studio Assistant at the time. He wasn't the easiest guy to get along with for us as a crew and band members alike. Especially compared to the other band members. Adaptability is rather important. As a long time fan at the time, it was interesting for me to see him without it being a DVD or interview. Certainly destroyed the aura for me.

Absolutely this. He just seems more concerned with releasing a product quickly rather than creating something really unique and interesting. I don't feel like he actually creates interesting drum parts anymore. He just plays what comes to his mind at the moment and calls it a day rather than composing new and interesting parts to accompany the music.

I feel like The Winery Dogs was his last real attempt to get into a band, but that seems to have fizzled out. SoA has no future IMO. They're behind the curve stylistically, and their genre of music has been done to death.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 02:28:47 PM
...interesting drum parts

He just plays what comes to his mind at the moment and calls it a day

These are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 30, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
I think MP's controlling nature has worked against him over the course of his post-DT career, it ends up alienating people. He had frequently talked about MP as a brand in past interviews, and I think what he doesn't get is that people look for quality music, not the MP name when buying a record. Obviously, there are MP fanboys, but I don't think they alone can sustain a career.

I remember, post-DT, but still many years ago, MP came in for a rehearsal with one of his projects, with an impressive lineup of musicians I must add. I was still a Studio Assistant at the time. He wasn't the easiest guy to get along with for us as a crew and band members alike. Especially compared to the other band members. Adaptability is rather important. As a long time fan at the time, it was interesting for me to see him without it being a DVD or interview. Certainly destroyed the aura for me.

Absolutely this. He just seems more concerned with releasing a product quickly rather than creating something really unique and interesting. I don't feel like he actually creates interesting drum parts anymore. He just plays what comes to his mind at the moment and calls it a day rather than composing new and interesting parts to accompany the music.

I feel like The Winery Dogs was his last real attempt to get into a band, but that seems to have fizzled out. SoA has no future IMO. They're behind the curve stylistically, and their genre of music has been done to death.

Thank you for your comment.
I too feel like he is not creating interesting drum parts anymore. Rather, I have heard every MP trick in the book. Winery Dogs was doomed to begin with.

I'm not a professional musician, but I record albums for a living, great music takes time and thought. Often times, it's not about individual skill or 10 uber talented guys coming together, it's about the quality of the overall composition.

Also, practice is rather important, it's not just about the upkeep of chops, it's also about generating new ideas through added skill. Being a full time musician isn't just marketing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 30, 2018, 03:58:09 PM

Also, practice is rather important, it's not just about the upkeep of chops, it's also about generating new ideas through added skill. Being a full time musician isn't just marketing.

I'm glad someone said it. Because while I am not a musician either, it strikes me as very odd when a guy (such as MP) says that they don't practice. I mean, are you saying you are the best you can be? I don't think so. Even Peart practiced to get himself better. And MP, as great as he is, certainly is no Peart. MP should absolutely be practicing and developing his skill level. Look at Mike Mangini. Dude continually practices...

I love MP, don't get my posts wrong. But his whole nomadic approach just sours me. I have no real interest in what he does any longer, because I know there's no long term commitment.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 30, 2018, 04:03:40 PM
I have no real interest in what he does any longer, because I know there's no long term commitment.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 30, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
That's all fine.  But in fairness to Portnoy, the "Mike Portnoy doesn't practice" mantra isn't really true and is taking a comment he made completely out of context. 

From his FAQ: 
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Does Mike practice? How does Mike practice? faq id: 484

MP: I don't get to practice as much as I should, and not nearly as much as I used to on the drums. But for me, so much of drumming is actually a mental thing. A lot of drummers spend a lot of time developing the physical side of their drumming, but they disregard the mental side. I get just as much out of sitting at the dinner table or sitting on a toy box and tapping, playing along with my hands and feet as I do sitting behind the kit. Luckily, a drummer's instrument is always attached - two hands and two feet. We don't need a guitar or a piano in order to practice.

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/20.aspx

If you want to know about his current practice techniques, here you go:  https://www.drummersresource.com/mike-portnoy-interview/

Again, not that anyone has to like what he does, what he says, or what his perceived level of commitment is.  But I think one should at least be fair in characterizing what he has said.  He didn't say he doesn't practice.  He does.  But, as that podcast illustrates, his practice routine as a drummer in his 50s is very different than his practice routine as a drummer in his teens or 20s.  Freaks of nature like Mangini excepted (and I mean that as a compliment to Mangini), I think that is perfectly understandable.  But that doesn't mean that he doesn't practice at all or views practice as dispensible.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on August 30, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
Perhaps others who have classically studied an instrument might understand what I'm about to say and I certainly am not trying to sound elitist because god knows I lost my passion for practicing diligently years ago but... I recall Mike saying during the SOA recordings that 30 mins was a long time to practice a part. I used to spend hours a day practicing passages, weeks learning pieces. Obviously those are other people's works, very challenging works, but 30 mins for even a self made passage or fill still seems very rushed to me, and that's the impression I got with the entire record.

And, just maybe, we all have different beliefs regarding practicing. Clearly Mike does not need to practice paradiddles and whozafluxits and whatnot like when he was a spring chicken. On the other hand... even pros gotta stay sharp, and sometimes that demands rigid practice.

Shrug.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 30, 2018, 05:12:43 PM
I'm not comfortable saying he doesn't practice enough. I mean, he knows what he needs to do to stay ready.

And not for nothing, but I love his drumming on BC&SL. I've never considered that auto pilot drumming in the least.  I mean, there are tons of great drummers. Mike Portnoy is still my pick in my dream band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on August 31, 2018, 01:29:53 AM
Honestly, I could never find any hint of Mike's lack of practice in any studio output or live performance I've witnessed. I know it's a "thing" only because it's openly talked about. On the other hand, it's evident the man has clearly stopped gunning for the Drummer of the Year Award somewhere around 2004.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2018, 07:48:53 AM
I'm not comfortable saying he doesn't practice enough. I mean, he knows what he needs to do to stay ready.

And not for nothing, but I love his drumming on BC&SL. I've never considered that auto pilot drumming in the least.  I mean, there are tons of great drummers. Mike Portnoy is still my pick in my dream band.

This kind of me.    For all I have to say about Mike, very little of it involves his actual drumming.   Now, the music AROUND his drumming is a different story, but he's still on my Mt. Rushmore of drummers (Bonham, Peart, Collins and Portnoy).  My main complaint is related to Samsara's comment:  there doesn't seem to be a commitment.   I know for me, I'll check out any project because it's Mike, but I'm not INTO every project because it's Mike.   The Winery Dogs was clearly a good combo, but it left me cold (I thought it was his stab at "Black Country Communion"). 

Controversial statement:  when I heard DT back in '92, for me, there was nothing like it.   It was Maiden and Rush jamming, with Steve Perry singing, and it blew me away.   I'm sorry, but for me - and excepting the Neal Morse Band stuff - all the stuff Mike's doing now sounds like something else, sounds like it's trying to capture something else, and frankly, I'd rather just listen to the original.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2018, 08:03:46 AM
If I had to rank my enjoyment of his other bands he was worked with since leaving DT, it would probably go:

-Neal Morse Band:  Love it all!
-Sons of Apollo:  Antics aside, I really enjoy the album.  Honestly, if Mike only did NMB and SOA, I would be thrilled.
-Flying Colors:  Both albums are pretty good.  There are definitely plenty of songs that do little for me, but some that I really enjoy. 
-Transatlantic:  I enjoy the last album, but it feels like SUCH a dropoff from their last three.  But if their next album is a return to form, I would likely bump them up to the #2 spot.  Their first three albums are some of my favorite music ever.
-Winery Dogs:  First album was okay.  I bought the second on release day just because, but barely listened after the first couple of spins. 

Never bothered to check out anything else.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 31, 2018, 09:01:45 AM
I stand corrected about MP and practice. All I recalled was something along the lines that he didn't practice any longer. I am relieved to know he does, just in different ways. :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2018, 09:18:26 AM
I have no doubt that you heard that accurately, because it is a rumor that has been going around for awhile.  But the rumor itself is based on a misquote, so I feel compelled to set the record straight.

:tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 31, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
Mike's drumming in DT and Transatlantic is some of my favorite drumming ever, but honestly I don't think I've liked anything he's done since he left DT. I don't know if it's too many projects, or not enough practice, or the other musicians he's working with, but his projects just don't really do anything for me anymore.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on August 31, 2018, 11:36:16 AM
What makes MP one of the greats is his ability to play. While his bag of tricks is the same, it's his trademark. When he plays, you know it's him. Is he the best drummer in the world? No. However if he was available to record a record, he'd be hired in a millisecond. If you could get MP to play on your studio album, would you? I would. Not because of fandom, but because he can get the job done.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2018, 12:36:27 PM
Related to this topic, I am listening to Systematic Chaos this morning.  Say what you will about the album.  But as far as MP's drumming, there are some drum parts, especially on ITPOE and CM, that are pretty innovative and creative. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on August 31, 2018, 01:35:23 PM
Related to this topic, I am listening to Systematic Chaos this morning.  Say what you will about the album.  But as far as MP's drumming, there are some drum parts, especially on ITPOE and CM, that are pretty innovative and creative.

One of the best MP parts, imo, is listening to his drums build up just before and throughout the guitar solo in Constant Motion. I never paid much attention to them until I tried to play them on Rock Band and holy crap! It just keeps growing as the guitar gets more and more wild.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2018, 01:46:10 PM
Related to this topic, I am listening to Systematic Chaos this morning.  Say what you will about the album.  But as far as MP's drumming, there are some drum parts, especially on ITPOE and CM, that are pretty innovative and creative.

One of the best MP parts, imo, is listening to his drums build up just before and throughout the guitar solo in Constant Motion. I never paid much attention to them until I tried to play them on Rock Band and holy crap! It just keeps growing as the guitar gets more and more wild.

For sure.  That part is incredible.  But his drumming on the entire thing is so cool.  If you listen to the isolated drums, even in parts where it seems very straightforward, he will play 2 bars or so straight, and then on the next one, throw in some incredible subtle little nuances that sound totally unexpected.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSmA-XV7kPg
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 31, 2018, 03:28:51 PM
Related to this topic, I am listening to Systematic Chaos this morning.  Say what you will about the album.  But as far as MP's drumming, there are some drum parts, especially on ITPOE and CM, that are pretty innovative and creative.

One of the best MP parts, imo, is listening to his drums build up just before and throughout the guitar solo in Constant Motion. I never paid much attention to them until I tried to play them on Rock Band and holy crap! It just keeps growing as the guitar gets more and more wild.

He has some amazing drum parts indeed. And the part leading up to the guitar solo of CM is just bloody brilliant.


Also, practice is rather important, it's not just about the upkeep of chops, it's also about generating new ideas through added skill. Being a full time musician isn't just marketing.

I'm glad someone said it. Because while I am not a musician either, it strikes me as very odd when a guy (such as MP) says that they don't practice. I mean, are you saying you are the best you can be? I don't think so. Even Peart practiced to get himself better. And MP, as great as he is, certainly is no Peart. MP should absolutely be practicing and developing his skill level. Look at Mike Mangini. Dude continually practices...

I love MP, don't get my posts wrong. But his whole nomadic approach just sours me. I have no real interest in what he does any longer, because I know there's no long term commitment.


Indeed, practicing isn't just about the upkeep of skills either. It's about adding something new to your pool of talent as well. I have huge respect for his body of work, especially pre-2010, not just DT, his Transatlantic and LTE work is legendary, in my opinion.

His OSI drumming was genuinely perfect for me. Once, I hung out with Kevin Moore when we lived in the same city, we were talking about session musicians and recording other people's music, he told me that when it came time to do the second OSI album, he and Mike didn't really get along because he wanted him to stop being Mike Portnoy and be the drummer for the song as he was there as a session musician, specifically the two didn't see eye to eye about playing less 16th notes and such. He praised Mike Portnoy's drumming ability but he did say that he needs to expand his go-to set of drum tricks, because the up and coming generation of drumming won't be so kind to him and surpass him. (Not my words.) And this was more than 10 years ago now. I know drumming is not a race and everybody has a different style.

I don't mean practicing just in terms of sitting in front of a drum kit for 12 hours a day and playing rudiments. Rudiments are indeed important, but unleashing creativity behind a drum kit requires a different kind of focus and that is what MP is not getting right at the moment. (Purely my opinion.) I am yet to hear anything that truly impressed me by MP since Systematic Chaos to be honest. Conversely, other drummers continuously find impressive ways to utilise the drum kit. Which begs the question: Why should I spend money something that I have heard before?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
I go both ways on this; to some extent he is now doing exactly what Kevin asked him.

And I still buy Cheap Trick and AC/DC records, and I kind of know exactly what I'm going to get, more or less. 

Not to negate your point, because you clearly have more insight than I do; I'm just saying there is no easy or "right" answer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 31, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
I go both ways on this; to some extent he is now doing exactly what Kevin asked him.

And I still buy Cheap Trick and AC/DC records, and I kind of know exactly what I'm going to get, more or less. 

Not to negate your point, because you clearly have more insight than I do; I'm just saying there is no easy or "right" answer.

Oh, I am aware that there is no right or wrong answer. Music is a matter of personal taste and it evolves/morphs over time as well. And, yes, indeed, you know what you're going to get with the likes of AC/DC and Cheap Trick, but with the plethora of projects that MP is in, obviously he's gunning for "diversity" and I guess, I would rather see quality instead of quantity.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2018, 04:30:46 PM
I go both ways

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on August 31, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
  MP knows everyone, ya know?

True, but knowing someone doesn't mean you want to work with someone.   What Kocak said below did not surprise me at all.  Working with someone who is difficult, especially if that person isn't integral to the creative process, can be maddening.

I remember, post-DT, but still many years ago, MP came in for a rehearsal with one of his projects, with an impressive lineup of musicians I must add. I was still a Studio Assistant at the time. He wasn't the easiest guy to get along with for us as a crew and band members alike. Especially compared to the other band members. Adaptability is rather important. As a long time fan at the time, it was interesting for me to see him without it being a DVD or interview. Certainly destroyed the aura for me.

Now, before the Portnoy fan brigade comes after me with their pitchforks, I am not saying Portnoy contributes nothing to the creative process.  What I mean is that if you putting something who is difficult is a lot easier when they are THE main songwriter/creative process, or a major one.  When you are a drummer who is more of an arranger than a songwriter AND difficult to get along with, your value takes a hit.

Long story short, while Portnoy obviously knows a lot of people in the business, I suspect that many of those people who little to no interest in actually working with him, which is probably why there is so much overlap of the same musicians across the various projects he is involved with.

Oh, I am aware that there is no right or wrong answer. Music is a matter of personal taste and it evolves/morphs over time as well. And, yes, indeed, you know what you're going to get with the likes of AC/DC and Cheap Trick, but with the plethora of projects that MP is in, obviously he's gunning for "diversity" and I guess, I would rather see quality instead of quantity.

Honestly, I don't think he's going for diversity (and he is failing miserably if that is the goal :lol). I just think he likes staying busy and always having something music-related to work on.  Despite many thinking he doesn't practice enough to expand his skills, no one would ever accuse guy of not being a workaholic.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on August 31, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
  MP knows everyone, ya know?

True, but knowing someone doesn't mean you want to work with someone.   What Kocak said below did not surprise me at all.  Working with someone who is difficult, especially if that person isn't integral to the creative process, can be maddening.

I remember, post-DT, but still many years ago, MP came in for a rehearsal with one of his projects, with an impressive lineup of musicians I must add. I was still a Studio Assistant at the time. He wasn't the easiest guy to get along with for us as a crew and band members alike. Especially compared to the other band members. Adaptability is rather important. As a long time fan at the time, it was interesting for me to see him without it being a DVD or interview. Certainly destroyed the aura for me.

Now, before the Portnoy fan brigade comes after me with their pitchforks, I am not saying Portnoy contributes nothing to the creative process.  What I mean is that if you putting something who is difficult is a lot easier when they are THE main songwriter/creative process, or a major one.  When you are a drummer who is more of an arranger than a songwriter AND difficult to get along with, your value takes a hit.

Long story short, while Portnoy obviously knows a lot of people in the business, I suspect that many of those people who little to no interest in actually working with him, which is probably why there is so much overlap of the same musicians across the various projects he is involved with.

Oh, I am aware that there is no right or wrong answer. Music is a matter of personal taste and it evolves/morphs over time as well. And, yes, indeed, you know what you're going to get with the likes of AC/DC and Cheap Trick, but with the plethora of projects that MP is in, obviously he's gunning for "diversity" and I guess, I would rather see quality instead of quantity.

Honestly, I don't think he's going for diversity (and he is failing miserably if that is the goal :lol). I just think he likes staying busy and always having something music-related to work on.  Despite many thinking he doesn't practice enough to expand his skills, no one would ever accuse guy of not being a workaholic.

Well, if you ask him, he has his metal side, his hard rock side, his prog side, and his pop side (FC).

Also, indeed, not everyone will be fine with him taking the lead at all times.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 31, 2018, 10:07:32 PM
Conversely, other drummers continuously find impressive ways to utilise the drum kit. Which begs the question: Why should I spend money something that I have heard before?
Last time I checked, there were typically 3 or 4 other musicians on any given album that includes MP. I'd say that should be enough to still purchase said albums, even if MP is still using the same bag of tricks. It's not just a specific instrument, but it's the music as a whole. If what MP plays is appropriate to the song, then does it really matter if it's some variation of what he's used elsewhere? I'd like to think not, but YMMV.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2018, 10:16:03 PM
I feel like MP is held to an insanely high standard that almost no one else is.

I admit, there are a few bands that I didn't buy their most recent album because it's almost the exact same thing as their last several albums. Epica, Eden Briidge, probably the next Mark Tremonti album, etc.

But a drummer? I don't hear any major growth in drumming from almost any drummer outside of some of the greatest greats like Neil Peart. But no one else is Neil.

I don't see why people demand Portnoy, specifically, change his style often. He does his thing.

Maybe it's because he has a very signature style. Phil Rudd doesn't have a style, he just plays a beat, so people don't care much if he keeps doing that over and over. 95% of drummers out there don't have the very signature style that Portnoy does, so when you hear that sound....you know it. So I can understand if people are getting sick of his signature style. If that's the case, that's cool. But I'm not sure it's the same as demanding he grow and evolve, whatever that means in his case. He also, recently, has been playing with some pretty dull bands.

So maybe if he played more interesting music and changed up his work ethic and stopped trying to produce everything super fast and efficiently, people would be a bit more forgiving for his repetitive style.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on August 31, 2018, 10:44:26 PM


Well, if you ask him, he has his metal side, his hard rock side, his prog side, and his pop side (FC)

Well, leaving aside the fact that Flying Colors is not pop (unless catchy songs automatically = pop), and that the majority of songs from their second album for example would fit nicely on a Neal Morse solo/Band album (musically, if not lyrically), all of those styles are, at root, rock music. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on September 01, 2018, 12:04:47 AM
I think, at the end of the day, MP understands how to approach his drumming well so that it accommodates the direction of the songs of the projects he is involved.

People like Winery Dogs, and the stuff he's done with Neal Morse and some people hate the stuff he did with AMob and is pretty so-so with SOA.  If a lesser well-known or lesser talented drummer were in those bands, most likely, the drums in those songs would have suffered more from it than if MP was the drummer which speaks well to MP's aura as a drummer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on September 01, 2018, 05:52:18 AM
I’ve always thought MP would  be a great fit for Alter Bridge. I’ve always pictured AB with a little more cymbal work, accents, that kind of stuff, which MP is great at. The AB drummer sounded very stale and samey up to The Last Hero, which I think its Flips best drumming.

I think MP has been a victim of very formulaic bands and playing. In my opinion, his drumming in Winery Dogs has been its best and most original material post DT. Transatlantic, NMB and FC have become very predictable and I’m not sure if that is completely MP’s fault. His fault lies in trying to be in many bands and projects.

The way things are going, the only real shoot in MP being in a big band is probably Iron Maiden. Nicko last year said mentioned retirement for him was close.  I think the other Maiden guys have a lot more gas to keep going than Nicko (he is the oldest IM member I think).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 01, 2018, 06:57:43 AM
People like Winery Dogs, and the stuff he's done with Neal Morse and some people hate the stuff he did with AMob and is pretty so-so with SOA.  If a lesser well-known or lesser talented drummer were in those bands, most likely, the drums in those songs would have suffered more from it than if MP was the drummer which speaks well to MP's aura as a drummer.

I think MP has been a victim of very formulaic bands and playing. In my opinion, his drumming in Winery Dogs has been its best and most original material post DT.

Interesting take since my view is slightly different.  My reason for liking TWD has very little to do with MP's drumming.  Not to criticize it, it's really the overall song writing and music, not any particular instrument, that really draws me to TWD.  I feel like Ritchie is probably the only irreplaceable member of that band (being songwriter, voice, and guitar), but that trio seemed to work really well with each other to play within themselves and not be over the top, yet just be consistently good in making good rock n roll songs.  Whereas I feel SOA is kind of the opposite, over the top without the best song writing and yet, MP's drums stand out much more to me from that band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 01, 2018, 03:11:22 PM
But a drummer? I don't hear any major growth in drumming from almost any drummer outside of some of the greatest greats like Neil Peart. But no one else is Neil.

I didn't hear any growth in Neil's drumming after 1981. I mean, he made sure everyone knew he was studying with different techniques and shit, but ..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 03, 2018, 08:26:11 AM
I go both ways

:neverusethis:

Dammit.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 03, 2018, 08:35:31 AM
:zydarscouch:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 03, 2018, 08:39:13 AM
Well, if you ask him, he has his metal side, his hard rock side, his prog side, and his pop side (FC).

And I've written about that before.  For me, if there is any drop-off in the material with him, it is, in my opinion, when he started talking about "genres".   The beautiful thing about the early DT was they didn't give a f--- if it was "prog" or "metal" or "rock", they put it out.   I bought I&W on release, and I was blown away because it was like Alex Lifeson playing with Iron Maiden and Steve Perry singing.  I LOVED it.   Instead of mixing the prog, the metal, the pop, etc., his projects since about 2010 have been the "metal project" and the "prog project" and the "pop project" and the "hard rock project".  Just play, man.  Just play. 

Phil Rudd doesn't have a style, he just plays a beat, so people don't care much if he keeps doing that over and over. 95% of drummers out there don't have the very signature style that Portnoy does, so when you hear that sound....you know it.

I get your point, and I agree with it, but I object to the example; there's a reason that Malcolm kept giving Rudd a shot in the band even though they fought like cats and dogs.  He IS simple, but he has a certain Jenny seequaw that makes AC/DC work.   it's not provable, really, because I have all the albums, know the songs and know who plays on them, but I think I could tell you an AC/DC song with Rudd and without.   When the recent rumors came about that AC/DC is in Vancouver, and that Johnson was there with the band (but so was Axl), I was excited, but I didn't really get invested, until I heard that Phil is there too.    I think Phil is more important than anyone not named "Young" in that band.


I’ve always thought MP would  be a great fit for Alter Bridge.   <CUT>
I think MP has been a victim of very formulaic bands and playing.

Blasphemy alert, but I think AB is same-y and formulaic, other than Myles (I love Myles).   It's by far my least favorite Myles project, and for that reason.  It's still good, there's nothing, necessarily, wrong with "formulaic" if it's of a high quality (and AB is) but I greatly prefer Myles in Slash's band or solo.

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The way things are going, the only real shoot in MP being in a big band is probably Iron Maiden. Nicko last year said mentioned retirement for him was close.  I think the other Maiden guys have a lot more gas to keep going than Nicko (he is the oldest IM member I think).

He is. He's 66, the next oldest is Steve at 62, then the guitar players are all 61 and Bruce is 60.   My GOD, can you believe that Iron Maiden are all in their SIXTIES?    Where the f--- has the time went???   I generally hate those "if so-and-so leaves, who would replace them?" conversations - it's still a band, might even be a good band, but I'm a firm fan of chemistry in a band - but I would pay to see Mike in Maiden.  I think he would bring it the gravitas it deserves.  I really wished he would have come to the USA with Twisted (I know they played a date or two, but I mean a tour). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 03, 2018, 09:37:30 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but while I totally don't want Maiden to go the way of AC/DC, I think that if Nicko would say "listen guys, I'm old, I can't do it anymore, but I don't want to have the end of the band on my conscience, you guys just go on a little more, it's fine with me", the band would consider going. Rod Smallwood would certainly want them to.

But I don't think that Mike would get the gig, on account of not being english. Steve Harris was pretty stubborn about it when it was time to pick Bruce's replacement, and after 40 years and counting of being a british band, I'm not sure he'd want to cross the finish line with an american drummer. Surely in that hypothetical scenario of "Nicko retires and urges the band to go on" Mike could fill the shoes, technically and on a certain kind of name recognition level.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 03, 2018, 09:44:01 AM
And then Mike would have Iron Maiden logos stamped on his cymbals and merchandise for the rest of his life  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on September 03, 2018, 09:46:26 AM
Portnoy could fill those shoes, but the perfect fit would be Simon Phillips.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on September 03, 2018, 09:58:32 AM
Being that MP has been such an avid Maiden fan, he probably allready knows most of their material on drums. So yeah he would be a good fit and could easily pull it off.
 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on September 03, 2018, 10:20:15 AM

 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.

No.  Just, no.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 03, 2018, 10:21:48 AM

 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.

No.  Just, no.

Yea. Rush is those three guys and only those three guys.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on September 03, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
I know you guys, that's why I was hypothetically speaking. Rush wouldn't be the same without Neil.
If Geddy and Alex did another project under a different name, it would still be worth checking out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 03, 2018, 05:00:57 PM
Portnoy could fill those shoes, but the perfect fit would be Simon Phillips.

Maybe for the 80's era. But he'd ruin the rest of the catalog.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on September 03, 2018, 05:08:49 PM
If Nicko quits I bet he will be replaced by one of his kids, another band member’s kid, or a drummer who plays with one of the band members’ kids.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 03, 2018, 05:09:57 PM
Hm, so does anyone else think that if Mangini quits, Max Portnoy should replace him?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on September 03, 2018, 06:24:06 PM
Hm, so does anyone else think that if Mangini quits, Max Portnoy should replace him?
Do-hhh!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ? on September 03, 2018, 10:36:50 PM
I know you guys, that's why I was hypothetically speaking. Rush wouldn't be the same without Neil.
If Geddy and Alex did another project under a different name, it would still be worth checking out.
Yes, but someone who they actually know and have worked with, like Matt Cameron, who played on Geddy's solo album, would be a much more likely choice, especially when MP has admitted he didn't like the post-Signals material that much, besides Counterparts and the last few albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on September 04, 2018, 07:31:48 AM


Conversely, other drummers continuously find impressive ways to utilise the drum kit. Which begs the question: Why should I spend money something that I have heard before?


Because it's only the drums? 

It's a backing instrument that can absolutely enhance a song to a small degree but's way down the list of importance in terms of what makes a great song.  A great, creative, innovative song is still great if the drummer is not doing anything out of the ordinary.  A poor song is not made great by some jaw dropping skills on the drums.

If you are a drummer and buy music solely to listen to the drumming then I guess it's important and feel free to ignore my above comment but otherwise, if you love the songs, does it really matter how innovative the drumming is?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 04, 2018, 08:00:46 AM

 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.

No.  Just, no.

Yea. Rush is those three guys and only those three guys.

But that has been proven to be false time and time again.    Dream Theater WAS Mike Portnoy for a while (or so some though) and well...     Led Zeppelin WAS Bonham, and while they never really recorded anything "as" Led Zeppelin without him, by all accounts both Michael Lee and Jason Bonham acquitted themselves well playing the Zeppelin material.    The Dead wasn't "The Dead" without Jerry, but in fact, they are, literally and figuratively "The Dead" without Jerry.  Floyd was supposed to be NOTHING without Roger, and the Division Bell is here to tell you otherwise. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2018, 08:04:05 AM

 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.

No.  Just, no.

Yea. Rush is those three guys and only those three guys.

But that has been proven to be false time and time again.    Dream Theater WAS Mike Portnoy for a while (or so some though) and well...     Led Zeppelin WAS Bonham, and while they never really recorded anything "as" Led Zeppelin without him, by all accounts both Michael Lee and Jason Bonham acquitted themselves well playing the Zeppelin material.    The Dead wasn't "The Dead" without Jerry, but in fact, they are, literally and figuratively "The Dead" without Jerry.  Floyd was supposed to be NOTHING without Roger, and the Division Bell is here to tell you otherwise.

No, that has never been proven false, that Rush is only those three guys. If I had said "other rock bands are only the key members", that has been proven false. Luckily, I was not talking about Dream Theater Zeppelin, The Dead, Floyd, or any other band.

When Rush go out there with a new drummer and are accepted, then I will be proven wrong. Possible, but not terribly likely, since they have all said so.

Anyway, this is going very off topic. Better off in the Rush thread.


As far as MP goes, I'm hoping there is a next Flying Colors album, and that it's good. Don't care much for his other projects.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on September 04, 2018, 08:11:44 AM
Portnoy could fill those shoes, but the perfect fit would be Simon Phillips.

Maybe for the 80's era. But he'd ruin the rest of the catalog.

Oh. Is there a rest of the catalog? *wink*
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 04, 2018, 02:25:55 PM

 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.

No.  Just, no.

Yea. Rush is those three guys and only those three guys.

But that has been proven to be false time and time again.    Dream Theater WAS Mike Portnoy for a while (or so some though) and well...     Led Zeppelin WAS Bonham, and while they never really recorded anything "as" Led Zeppelin without him, by all accounts both Michael Lee and Jason Bonham acquitted themselves well playing the Zeppelin material.    The Dead wasn't "The Dead" without Jerry, but in fact, they are, literally and figuratively "The Dead" without Jerry.  Floyd was supposed to be NOTHING without Roger, and the Division Bell is here to tell you otherwise.

No, that has never been proven false, that Rush is only those three guys. If I had said "other rock bands are only the key members", that has been proven false. Luckily, I was not talking about Dream Theater Zeppelin, The Dead, Floyd, or any other band.

When Rush go out there with a new drummer and are accepted, then I will be proven wrong. Possible, but not terribly likely, since they have all said so.

Anyway, this is going very off topic. Better off in the Rush thread.


As far as MP goes, I'm hoping there is a next Flying Colors album, and that it's good. Don't care much for his other projects.

No, no, you're right; my only point was, I'm skeptical of the "[XYZ band] wouldn't be the same without [certain member]".   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2018, 02:33:37 PM

No, no, you're right; my only point was, I'm skeptical of the XYZ band wouldn't be the same without [certain member]".

(https://www.nolifetilmetal.com/images/xyz_logo_BIG.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 04, 2018, 03:16:05 PM
That's my point; when  Joey Pafumi left, they didn't self-combust, did they?  Did they? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 04, 2018, 03:23:13 PM
Yup. Nothing beats the Pafumi Era. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
Oh I agree that XYZ band doesn't necessarily hold that rule, but that the YYZ band just might.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2018, 03:44:52 PM
Also, there are VERY few bands I would say that about.....that they need to exist as current members only.....and Rush is basically that list. I can't really think of many others off the top of my head.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on September 04, 2018, 06:41:29 PM
The only rock bands I can think that about would be Rush, U2 and ZZ Top.  All are looking at around 40+ years with the same members.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 04, 2018, 06:54:13 PM
The only rock bands I can think that about would be Rush, U2 and ZZ Top.  All are looking at around 40+ years with the same members.

Ohhh ZZ Top is a good call. I thing long lasting trios are special in that regard. 5 members, and I might not know who everyone is. Like, I'm not a U2 fan and therefore only know Bono and The Edge. I'm also not a big ZZ Top fan, but I'd notice if anyone was gone.
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 04, 2018, 06:58:37 PM
Could you hypothetically slap a long ZZ Top-style beard on any random guitarist and fool 90% of the audience?
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Post by: TAC on September 04, 2018, 06:59:56 PM
You rang?

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Post by: Anguyen92 on September 04, 2018, 10:42:05 PM
^^ The beard needs to be longer dang it for him to qualify.  Like down to his chest.
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Post by: ErHaO on September 05, 2018, 05:41:38 AM
The only rock bands I can think that about would be Rush, U2 and ZZ Top.  All are looking at around 40+ years with the same members.

For me it's the Golden Earring, who have been with the same formation for 48 years now, two of them even 57 years, from when the band was founded. Though I am aware that they have limited their career to their own country for a good while now. I imagine that if one of them calls it quits, they will stop.
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Post by: Kwyjibo on September 05, 2018, 06:38:06 AM
Billy Gibbons and (to lesser extent) Dusty Hill are more important for what ZZ Top is than Frank Beard. You could probably change drummers and not change the sound of the band too much.
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Post by: pg1067 on September 05, 2018, 10:58:10 AM
I'm not a U2 fan and therefore only know Bono and The Edge. I'm also not a big ZZ Top fan, but I'd notice if anyone was gone.

Could you hypothetically slap a long ZZ Top-style beard on any random guitarist and fool 90% of the audience?

As far as Chris's question, the answer is yes, as long as that person also had virtually no musical talent (especially the guy who "plays bass").  JP would break down in tears from boredom, but it would be rather hilarious to see him with ZZT.

As far as "Don't Call Me Sonny" Bono and "The Edge," I just can't take seriously a man who's almost 60 and still calls himself "The Edge."  But yeah, if you replaced U2's bass player or drummer, virtually no one would notice or care.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 05, 2018, 11:32:01 AM
Maybe at some point MP will become omnipresent and be the drummer for every band in the world!
 :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: Stadler on September 05, 2018, 11:46:47 AM
I'm not a U2 fan and therefore only know Bono and The Edge. I'm also not a big ZZ Top fan, but I'd notice if anyone was gone.

Could you hypothetically slap a long ZZ Top-style beard on any random guitarist and fool 90% of the audience?

As far as Chris's question, the answer is yes, as long as that person also had virtually no musical talent (especially the guy who "plays bass").  JP would break down in tears from boredom, but it would be rather hilarious to see him with ZZT.

As far as "Don't Call Me Sonny" Bono and "The Edge," I just can't take seriously a man who's almost 60 and still calls himself "The Edge."  But yeah, if you replaced U2's bass player or drummer, virtually no one would notice or care.

Sometimes the impact isn't on stage.  I feel very strongly that U2 would not exist without Larry Mullen, Jr.   Even Bono and Edge say "it's his band". 
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Post by: cramx3 on September 05, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Maybe at some point MP will become omnipresent and be the drummer for every band in the world!
 :metal :metal :metal

So he will become a hologram drummer?
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 05, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Maybe at some point MP will become omnipresent and be the drummer for every band in the world!
 :metal :metal :metal

So he will become a hologram drummer?
Well that would give him time for side projects too.
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Post by: ytserush on September 05, 2018, 06:11:40 PM

 I know it will never happen but hypothetically speaking, if Geddy and Alex decided to do an album and tour, Mike could pull that off too. It may sound a bit different, but it would be effective.

No.  Just, no.

Yea. Rush is those three guys and only those three guys.

But that has been proven to be false time and time again.    Dream Theater WAS Mike Portnoy for a while (or so some though) and well...     Led Zeppelin WAS Bonham, and while they never really recorded anything "as" Led Zeppelin without him, by all accounts both Michael Lee and Jason Bonham acquitted themselves well playing the Zeppelin material.    The Dead wasn't "The Dead" without Jerry, but in fact, they are, literally and figuratively "The Dead" without Jerry.  Floyd was supposed to be NOTHING without Roger, and the Division Bell is here to tell you otherwise.

The Division Bell never told me otherwise....ha ha, but I get your point even if I'm not sure I agree with it.
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Post by: ytserush on September 05, 2018, 06:22:55 PM
The only rock bands I can think that about would be Rush, U2 and ZZ Top.  All are looking at around 40+ years with the same members.

Ohhh ZZ Top is a good call. I thing long lasting trios are special in that regard. 5 members, and I might not know who everyone is. Like, I'm not a U2 fan and therefore only know Bono and The Edge. I'm also not a big ZZ Top fan, but I'd notice if anyone was gone.

I'd add LIVE to that list and maybe The Fixx. Live did break up when Ed left, but the band continued on under another name until they got back together. The Fixx broke up in the 1990's for a few years but reformed with the same members.

I guess you could say Kings X and Living Colour (bass player change in 1993.) too.

Clearly not the longevity of ZZ Top, U2 or Rush but I'd guess those bands at this point wouldn't continue with the same name if anyone left.

Still a somewhat short list though.
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Post by: Adami on September 05, 2018, 06:23:48 PM
Also RATT. Hard to imagine them changing members much.
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Post by: ReaperKK on September 06, 2018, 05:46:38 AM
I never got to see LIVE after ED left but I did see them a few months ago with Ed back and I can't imagine it without him.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 06, 2018, 01:48:49 PM
I never got to see LIVE after ED left but I did see them a few months ago with Ed back and I can't imagine it without him.

True, I was surprised that they had a short era without him. 

also 311 is one band that still has all original members and never had a break up moment or anything like that.  I couldn't see them with someone else in the band although I'm sure they could do it, but they are such a tight group of friends that it just would seem odd.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 06, 2018, 02:21:47 PM
This discussion has turned into the other thread about members being changed or replaced.  :-\
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Post by: Elite on September 06, 2018, 02:23:21 PM
The only rock bands I can think that about would be Rush, U2 and ZZ Top.  All are looking at around 40+ years with the same members.

Ohhh ZZ Top is a good call. I thing long lasting trios are special in that regard. 5 members, and I might not know who everyone is. Like, I'm not a U2 fan and therefore only know Bono and The Edge. I'm also not a big ZZ Top fan, but I'd notice if anyone was gone.

I'd add LIVE to that list and maybe The Fixx. Live did break up when Ed left, but the band continued on under another name until they got back together. The Fixx broke up in the 1990's for a few years but reformed with the same members.

I guess you could say Kings X and Living Colour (bass player change in 1993.) too.

Kings X is a great call, they're going on 35 years with the same line-up, but they haven't been too active in recent years.

Another one I thought of is Radiohead, who have been with the same group for 25 years. I don't see anyone leaving that band anytime soon and they're bound to continue for a while as while. Add Muse to the trio list, 24 years strong with the same line-up. Also not quitting anytime soon.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 06, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
 :facepalm: I had to turn down a chance to interview a couple of the Metal Allegiance guys...it would have been Mark Menghi, Dave Ellefson, Alex Skolnick and Trevor Strnad. Unfortunately this was too short notice, and i have no time to prepare questions. Also, it would be tomorrow at 2:30 pm, and I'll be at work then.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 06, 2018, 03:21:53 PM
:facepalm: I had to turn down a chance to interview a couple of the Metal Allegiance guys...it would have been Mark Menghi, Dave Ellefson, Alex Skolnick and Trevor Strnad. Unfortunately this was too short notice, and i have no time to prepare questions. Also, it would be tomorrow at 2:30 pm, and I'll be at work then.
Dang, that would have been awesome!  I know what you mean about work pinning us down..
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Post by: ytserush on September 06, 2018, 06:08:37 PM
I never got to see LIVE after ED left but I did see them a few months ago with Ed back and I can't imagine it without him.

As far as I know LIVE, was done when Ed left. Ed did two solo albums, toured and the rest of the band formed  The Gracious Few with another guy and as suddenly as it ended LIVE reformed.
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Post by: ReaperKK on September 06, 2018, 07:46:37 PM
Speaking of the Gracious Few, that was a good album.
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Post by: Grappler on September 07, 2018, 11:28:59 AM
So, the new Metal Allegiance disc is out.  It suffers from the same problem as the first - the songs seem to be tailored towards each respective singer and offer nothing in terms of variety or putting the singers into something out of their element a little.  The song with Max Cavalera sounds like something he would write.  The song with Blitz sounds like Overkil, the one with John Bush sounds like recent Armored Saint, and so on.

But I do like the lineup of singers - Blitz, John Bush, Johan from Amon Amarth, Floor Jansen, Max Cavalera and Mark Osegueda.  A fun listen, but not groundbreaking in the slightest.
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Post by: Samsara on September 07, 2018, 11:34:27 AM
So, the new Metal Allegiance disc is out.  It suffers from the same problem as the first - the songs seem to be tailored towards each respective singer and offer nothing in terms of variety or putting the singers into something out of their element a little.  The song with Max Cavalera sounds like something he would write.  The song with Blitz sounds like Overkil, the one with John Bush sounds like recent Armored Saint, and so on.

But I do like the lineup of singers - Blitz, John Bush, Johan from Amon Amarth, Floor Jansen, Max Cavalera and Mark Osegueda.  A fun listen, but not groundbreaking in the slightest.

That was what I was afraid of. I may just figure out the tracks by Bush, Jansen, and Osegueda and buy those.
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Post by: Grappler on September 07, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Here you go:

Quote
01. The Accuser (feat. Trevor Strnad)
02. Bound By Silence (feat. John Bush)
03. Mother Of Sin (feat. Bobby Blitz)
04. Terminal Illusion (feat. Mark Tornillo)
05. King With A Paper Crown (feat. Johan Hegg)
06. Voodoo Of The Godsend (feat. Max Cavalera)
07. Liars & Thieves (feat. Troy Sanders)
08. Impulse Control (feat. Mark Osegueda)
09. Power Drunk Majesty (Part I) (feat. Mark Osegueda)
10. Power Drunk Majesty (Part II) (feat. Floor Jansen)

I keep forgetting about Mark Tornillo, probably because there's two Mark's on the album.   :lol   I need to get some of his Accept albums.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 07, 2018, 11:56:38 AM
Here you go:

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01. The Accuser (feat. Trevor Strnad)
02. Bound By Silence (feat. John Bush)
03. Mother Of Sin (feat. Bobby Blitz)
04. Terminal Illusion (feat. Mark Tornillo)
05. King With A Paper Crown (feat. Johan Hegg)
06. Voodoo Of The Godsend (feat. Max Cavalera)
07. Liars & Thieves (feat. Troy Sanders)
08. Impulse Control (feat. Mark Osegueda)
09. Power Drunk Majesty (Part I) (feat. Mark Osegueda)
10. Power Drunk Majesty (Part II) (feat. Floor Jansen)

I keep forgetting about Mark Tornillo, probably because there's two Mark's on the album.   :lol   I need to get some of his Accept albums.

The track with Tornillo is probably my favourite one in this release. Very cool drumming on that one!!!
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Post by: Samsara on September 07, 2018, 11:57:42 AM
Thanks, Grapp.
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Post by: axeman90210 on September 07, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
I have to say, the show last night was an absolute blast. Andreas Kisser from Sepultura served as the second guitarist for the whole show and they probably had half a dozen different vocalists rotating onstage (including Alissa White-Gluz  :biggrin:). They played a few tunes from each album and a good amount of covers, with the encore of Aces High and Hit the Lights being particularly \m/

Full setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metal-allegiance/2018/the-gramercy-theatre-new-york-ny-43e8535f.html
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Post by: Grappler on September 07, 2018, 12:29:35 PM
I'd love to see them live - they have great setlists and awesome guests and really nail the songs.  But the studio albums offer no surprises - the songs all sound just like the singer's primary band's output.  So it's a fun album based on the guest singers, but boring at the same time because it leaves me with this feeling like I've heard it all before.  I can see myself listening to the second album more than the first one, though. 
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 07, 2018, 12:36:27 PM
I have to say, the show last night was an absolute blast. Andreas Kisser from Sepultura served as the second guitarist for the whole show and they probably had half a dozen different vocalists rotating onstage (including Alissa White-Gluz  :biggrin:). They played a few tunes from each album and a good amount of covers, with the encore of Aces High and Hit the Lights being particularly \m/

Full setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metal-allegiance/2018/the-gramercy-theatre-new-york-ny-43e8535f.html

That`s EPIC!!!!

Hey, didn`t MP, Andreas and Dave have a project called `Hail!` a few years ago which sorta had the same intention as Metal Allegiance?
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Post by: Samsara on September 07, 2018, 01:08:12 PM
Holy shit. Who did Aces High?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 07, 2018, 02:31:48 PM
I'm expecting the SOA meet and greet line to be very long tonight, but I do hope to be able to get in and meet the guys, including MP for the first time. 
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Post by: axeman90210 on September 07, 2018, 02:39:41 PM
I have to say, the show last night was an absolute blast. Andreas Kisser from Sepultura served as the second guitarist for the whole show and they probably had half a dozen different vocalists rotating onstage (including Alissa White-Gluz  :biggrin:). They played a few tunes from each album and a good amount of covers, with the encore of Aces High and Hit the Lights being particularly \m/

Full setlist: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metal-allegiance/2018/the-gramercy-theatre-new-york-ny-43e8535f.html

That`s EPIC!!!!

Hey, didn`t MP, Andreas and Dave have a project called `Hail!` a few years ago which sorta had the same intention as Metal Allegiance?

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that when I was reading Andreas's wiki this morning (I was pretty unfamiliar with him before the last night).

Holy shit. Who did Aces High?

John Bush and Alissa. And then everybody came out for Hit the Lights.
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Post by: gzarruk on September 07, 2018, 03:38:02 PM
I didn't care too much for the first MA album and haven't checked the new one yet. Are they worth a listen or I should just stick with each members' original bands?
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Post by: deggs37 on September 07, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
I didn't care too much for the first MA album and haven't checked the new one yet. Are they worth a listen or I should just stick with each members' original bands?

If you didn't like the first one, I doubt this will do much for you either. But if there is a singer on here that you enjoy, either them or their respective bands, then you will find enjoyment out of it. I personally really like the John Bush and Max Cavalera tracks, although I haven't had much time to give the album a good listen yet.

So far I really like that they just have one singer per track rather than their last approach of several singers per track. Feels a lot more cohesive, in my opinion.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2018, 07:56:09 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)
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Post by: gzarruk on September 08, 2018, 08:12:19 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

You should’ve told him DTF is still a thing ;)
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 08, 2018, 09:41:22 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

You should’ve told him DTF is still a thing ;)

That was the best ever...haha his eyes lit up all fierce.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 08, 2018, 11:15:03 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?
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Post by: cramx3 on September 08, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?

Really cool, it was quick for them so not much time to say anything else.  But I told JSS that I tweeted the video of him dancing at the NYC show and he laughed and said he was really drunk for that.  Told Billy I loved his work with DLR which he said that was a surprise compliment and laughed.  Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me.  Bumblefoot is great, such a nice dude too.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 08, 2018, 11:59:56 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?
   Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me. 
That sounds about right. I ran into Derek after the Seattle show as he was walking by. I just quickly told him he did a great job and thanks for coming to Seattle. He almost seemed annoyed and shined me on. He did begrudgingly say thanks in a undertone but it didn't seem sincere, and he never even looked at me. Lol!
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Post by: mikeyd23 on September 08, 2018, 02:14:36 PM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?

Really cool, it was quick for them so not much time to say anything else.  But I told JSS that I tweeted the video of him dancing at the NYC show and he laughed and said he was really drunk for that.  Told Billy I loved his work with DLR which he said that was a surprise compliment and laughed.  Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me.  Bumblefoot is great, such a nice dude too.

That’s hilarious about DS :lol
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Post by: deggs37 on September 08, 2018, 05:01:12 PM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?
   Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me. 
That sounds about right. I ran into Derek after the Seattle show as he was walking by. I just quickly told him he did a great job and thanks for coming to Seattle. He almost seemed annoyed and shined me on. He did begrudgingly say thanks in a undertone but it didn't seem sincere, and he never even looked at me. Lol!

It must be really stressful being the 'king of prog'. Having to deal with lowly peasants like us in between autograph signings and making history. Only the Queen of England understands how stressful this life of royalty can be. Quit picking on Derek you guys!!!!!  God save the Derek!!!! :natalieportman:
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Post by: ReaperKK on September 08, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
Ok I have to ask this. Am I the only one who doesn't find the making history joke funny at all? It wasn't funny on the original FII video, it's definitely not funny now.
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Post by: deggs37 on September 08, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
Ok I have to ask this. Am I the only one who doesn't find the making history joke funny at all? It wasn't funny on the original FII video, it's definitely not funny now.

I'm pretty sure the only people who ever found it funny was MP and DS. 21 years and counting.
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Post by: Cool Chris on September 08, 2018, 06:24:45 PM
It's funny in the context of someone making home movies while in the studio recording. But I feel it is more something that isn't as funny for someone who wasn't there. Like when you are up late at three in the morning with your buddies and everything is funny when it never would be any other time.

And no it certainly isn't funny now.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 08, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
I found it funny the first 20 or 30 times but the fact that Derek seems pretty full of himself and ungrateful of the support he gets makes it lose all comedic value.
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Post by: axeman90210 on September 09, 2018, 08:43:06 AM
Encore covers from the other night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhADWVGKyqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=230&v=viCuuaR7WjA
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Post by: The Walrus on September 09, 2018, 11:06:43 AM
Wow Derek wouldn't even look at you? What a fragile insecure little man he is. That's fucking hilarious. I'm glad I didn't watch his band even more now
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 09, 2018, 11:07:57 AM
Wow Derek wouldn't even look at you? What a fragile insecure little man he is. That's fucking hilarious. I'm glad I didn't watch his band even more now

I enjoyed it mainly because of JSS and Bumblefoot.
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Post by: DT2003 on September 09, 2018, 11:33:58 AM
Good to see Derek hasn’t changed his ways. What a dick! 
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Post by: ErHaO on September 09, 2018, 02:43:46 PM
Would still love to see Sons of Apollo, I recently listened to their album and I still like it, some really solid and accesible prog metal. Nothing original and I agree with the common criticisms, but a good effort. I think that a second album that adresses some of the issues could be ace.

Personally don't care that Derek is a dick or not. I like his work as a musician from what I have heard and I love the body of work of the other artists involved in the band.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 09, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
Labryinth was an amazing song live.
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Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2018, 08:29:17 PM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?

Really cool, it was quick for them so not much time to say anything else.  But I told JSS that I tweeted the video of him dancing at the NYC show and he laughed and said he was really drunk for that.  Told Billy I loved his work with DLR which he said that was a surprise compliment and laughed.  Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me.  Bumblefoot is great, such a nice dude too.

Dude nice call with the DLR stuff.  I still love Skyscraper.  What a weird, but still rockin', record.
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Post by: cramx3 on September 10, 2018, 08:35:02 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?

Really cool, it was quick for them so not much time to say anything else.  But I told JSS that I tweeted the video of him dancing at the NYC show and he laughed and said he was really drunk for that.  Told Billy I loved his work with DLR which he said that was a surprise compliment and laughed.  Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me.  Bumblefoot is great, such a nice dude too.

Dude nice call with the DLR stuff.  I still love Skyscraper.  What a weird, but still rockin', record.

DLR was my intro to Billy.  I didn't even know it then, just knew that I absolutely loved the bass playing and it wasn't until years later when I discovered Billy from something else (not sure what that was, maybe Steve Vai) and I recognized that familiar sound in bass and then made the connection.  And of course since then he's done TWD and SOA that has had me continued to be interested in his work.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 10, 2018, 09:06:18 AM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?

Really cool, it was quick for them so not much time to say anything else.  But I told JSS that I tweeted the video of him dancing at the NYC show and he laughed and said he was really drunk for that.  Told Billy I loved his work with DLR which he said that was a surprise compliment and laughed.  Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me.  Bumblefoot is great, such a nice dude too.

Dude nice call with the DLR stuff.  I still love Skyscraper.  What a weird, but still rockin', record.

DLR was my intro to Billy.  I didn't even know it then, just knew that I absolutely loved the bass playing and it wasn't until years later when I discovered Billy from something else (not sure what that was, maybe Steve Vai) and I recognized that familiar sound in bass and then made the connection.  And of course since then he's done TWD and SOA that has had me continued to be interested in his work.

Same here...I got to know Billy in DLR, then started following him on Mr. Big and all the million other things he's done. Quite a distinguishable bass one the man has.

I recently spoke to another musician whom I had no idea had worked with DLR before: Craig Goldy, from Rough Cutt, Dio, Budgie etc. He has a new band out called Dream Child, and he wrote a bunch of songs with Dave for "A Little Ain't Enough". He said that in the entrance of Dave's mansion there's a sing that says "nothing here worth dying for". Cool, eh?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2018, 01:30:28 PM
I love how most of the people that mention where Dave lives call it "Dave's mansion", not "Dave's house".  It's always "Dave's mansion"; Craig, John 5, Billy...  I'd love to see the inside of that place.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 10, 2018, 01:44:46 PM
I love how most of the people that mention where Dave lives call it "Dave's mansion", not "Dave's house".  It's always "Dave's mansion"; Craig, John 5, Billy...  I'd love to see the inside of that place.

His dad already had a mansion even before he was successful with Van Halen, and he only added to that. A LOT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 10, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
I love how most of the people that mention where Dave lives call it "Dave's mansion", not "Dave's house".  It's always "Dave's mansion"; Craig, John 5, Billy...  I'd love to see the inside of that place.

His dad already had a mansion even before he was successful with Van Halen, and he only added to that. A LOT.

Yeah, his dad was a doctor, right? And his uncle owns/owned one of the best jazz clubs in NYC (Cafe Wha?).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on September 11, 2018, 09:53:06 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metal-allegiance-joined-by-sepultura-arch-enemy-overkill-accept-members-at-new-york-city-concert-video/

Plenty of video....and holy shit - John Bush and Alissa completely crushed Aces High.   :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 11, 2018, 10:53:04 AM
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metal-allegiance-joined-by-sepultura-arch-enemy-overkill-accept-members-at-new-york-city-concert-video/

Plenty of video....and holy shit - John Bush and Alissa completely crushed Aces High.   :metal :metal :metal

That was awesome!!!! Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2018, 11:11:44 AM
Great stuff!

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 11, 2018, 01:59:39 PM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?
   Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me. 
That sounds about right. I ran into Derek after the Seattle show as he was walking by. I just quickly told him he did a great job and thanks for coming to Seattle. He almost seemed annoyed and shined me on. He did begrudgingly say thanks in a undertone but it didn't seem sincere, and he never even looked at me. Lol!

Not to beat a horse that hasn't already been beaten to death in the Sons of Apollo thread, but this band really needs to realize that Derek's attitude is costing them fans.  And it's a shame, too.  They put out an album of solid music, and they for the most part put on a really good live show.  If they somehow think Derek being a jerk and JSS's drinking scores them points, they are sadly out of touch with reality.

As for Metal Allegiance, those are some great videos!  I might actually have to check these guys out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 11, 2018, 03:49:58 PM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?
   Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me. 
That sounds about right. I ran into Derek after the Seattle show as he was walking by. I just quickly told him he did a great job and thanks for coming to Seattle. He almost seemed annoyed and shined me on. He did begrudgingly say thanks in a undertone but it didn't seem sincere, and he never even looked at me. Lol!

Not to beat a horse that hasn't already been beaten to death in the Sons of Apollo thread, but this band really needs to realize that Derek's attitude is costing them fans.  And it's a shame, too.  They put out an album of solid music, and they for the most part put on a really good live show.  If they somehow think Derek being a jerk and JSS's drinking scores them points, they are sadly out of touch with reality.

As for Metal Allegiance, those are some great videos!  I might actually have to check these guys out.

Is JSS's drinking really that big of an issue?  I mean, the show I saw them at, JSS was talking about the band getting really, really drunk after the show (and then added, "well, some of us don't drink, but I am") which wasn't pertinent information, and I really don't care for alcohol myself, but that doesn't really bug me that much.

His stage moves on the other hand... :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2018, 04:14:23 PM
Is JSS's drinking really that big of an issue?  I mean, the show I saw them at, JSS was talking about the band getting really, really drunk after the show (and then added, "well, some of us don't drink, but I am") which wasn't pertinent information, and I really don't care for alcohol myself, but that doesn't really bug me that much.

It wouldn't bug me if the band was in their early 20's, but I don't know... How old are we? Like that would be the kind of thing to turn me off.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2018, 04:17:07 PM
I don't think it's an issue at all, it seems to loosen him up and while some may not like his dance moves or his cursing, I personally think it adds to their live show.  I like it.  He sings and performs fine, the alcohol isn't really effecting his performance which would be a reason to maybe have a talk about it.  I don't think it has anything to do with the 70s.  Bands today still like to drink during their performances.  The guy from Voyager had this big fruity cocktail on stage the other night.  He put on an awesome show, might have helped him loosen up.  I don't know, but I didn't think it was a turn off at all.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2018, 04:21:08 PM
Oh I don't care if a guy has a drink on stage. But the whole "We're gonna get really drunk tonight" just sounds a bit lame.


I'll save Kingshmegland the trouble, but apparently I'm old.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2018, 07:21:53 PM
I'll save Kingshmegland the trouble, but apparently I'm old.

Duh. :lol :lol

As for the drinking, it wouldn't surprise me if Portnoy leaves the band because he doesn't want to deal with band members who are going out and getting tanked after every show.  The last thing a recovering alcoholic wants, or needs, is to be around people who drink a lot. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 11, 2018, 08:29:37 PM
I'll save Kingshmegland the trouble, but apparently I'm old.

Duh. :lol :lol

As for the drinking, it wouldn't surprise me if Portnoy leaves the band because he doesn't want to deal with band members who are going out and getting tanked after every show.  The last thing a recovering alcoholic wants, or needs, is to be around people who drink a lot.

True, but didn't seem to bother him in A7X and he isn't alone in the non drinkers in SOA which is probably really helpful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 11, 2018, 08:34:49 PM
He's likely at that point where it doesn't bother him. His will is now strong enough to not be tempted by people being drunk.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on September 11, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
Told MP I was from DTF and he got a laugh and said I need to defend him here  :lol  I think I'm pretty fair on him (I am a fan, but I can be critical too)

That's awesome!!! How was the meet and greet otherwise?
   Derek didn't want to even look at me.  He was next to MP and definitely heard me talk about DTF, he didn't say a single word to me. 
That sounds about right. I ran into Derek after the Seattle show as he was walking by. I just quickly told him he did a great job and thanks for coming to Seattle. He almost seemed annoyed and shined me on. He did begrudgingly say thanks in a undertone but it didn't seem sincere, and he never even looked at me. Lol!

Not to beat a horse that hasn't already been beaten to death in the Sons of Apollo thread, but this band really needs to realize that Derek's attitude is costing them fans.  And it's a shame, too.  They put out an album of solid music, and they for the most part put on a really good live show.  If they somehow think Derek being a jerk and JSS's drinking scores them points, they are sadly out of touch with reality.

As for Metal Allegiance, those are some great videos!  I might actually have to check these guys out.

I remember listening to the album for the first time and being a bit dumbstruck that this was the product of months(?) of drama on DTF and other social media. So much hype and childish bickering for a CD that was only OK. I'm not sure if Sons of Apollo would have ever held my interest, but the drama surrounding it definitely kept me from giving it any repeated listens. It's not just Derek, but reading these anecdotes makes me wonder how anyone finds this group worth their time. That's a lot of bravado for blandness.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2018, 07:30:40 AM
Just asking (I don't  feel this way; I'm in the "I don't really care either way" camp. The music is the music, and I listen to other bands  who are dicks so why not here?) but:   is it possible that Derek's antics have GOTTEN them a fan or two along the way?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on September 12, 2018, 07:45:46 AM
For those that would complain about JSS's stage moves and dancing, I think you need to watch his Funky Medley that he does with his solo band.  This a guy that just loves funky, dancy music and isn't afraid to get down on stage.   It's who he is as a person, so if the Sons of Apollo tunes hit him in a way that it makes him want to do some grooving, so be it.  :chill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPP4YN0xUOU

As for his drinking, I guess I agree that we all eventually should grow out of the whole "lets get hammered" thing and bragging about it - but as long as it doesn't impact his performance negatively, I don't care.  It's rock and roll.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2018, 07:50:28 AM
Just asking (I don't  feel this way; I'm in the "I don't really care either way" camp. The music is the music, and I listen to other bands  who are dicks so why not here?) but:   is it possible that Derek's antics have GOTTEN them a fan or two along the way?   

I doubt his antics have gotten him fans, at least not his more recents ones, but the music is the music.  I listen to plenty of dicks too.

I saw Stone Sour the other night.  Corey Taylor is a dick IMO, but I enjoyed his show.  He was great live, music is the music.  I mean, I'm not a Stone Sour fan, but I respected the hell out of his live performance.

And SOA won me over with their live performance.  The album was alright, but it worked much better live.  And I don't think everyone in the band is a dick either.  I'd probably only put DS in that catagory honestly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2018, 07:52:46 AM
Just asking (I don't  feel this way; I'm in the "I don't really care either way" camp. The music is the music, and I listen to other bands  who are dicks so why not here?) but:   is it possible that Derek's antics have GOTTEN them a fan or two along the way?   

Anything is possible.  But I think it's telling that in the one place most likely to generate discussion for this band, we know of several who have been turned off and pushed away by him, and none (or almost none) who have gone the opposite direction.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2018, 07:55:36 AM
Just asking (I don't  feel this way; I'm in the "I don't really care either way" camp. The music is the music, and I listen to other bands  who are dicks so why not here?) but:   is it possible that Derek's antics have GOTTEN them a fan or two along the way?   

Anything is possible.  But I think it's telling that in the one place most likely to generate discussion for this band, we know of several who have been turned off and pushed away by him, and none (or almost none) who have gone the opposite direction.

Fair point.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2018, 08:02:38 AM
In other words, I am not saying there aren't any.  I'm just saying I think it is highly likely that it is still a net loss for the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on September 12, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
Metal Allegiance will be doing all of Sabbath's debut album in Brooklyn next month. I'll almost certainly be there.


https://www.brooklynbowl.com/event/1761951-metal-allegiance-performing-brooklyn/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2018, 09:34:59 AM
I  might go see that event, but reading that press release... ugh.   Just sounds like one big cliché to me.  Nothing like a bunch of 50-something rockstars putting out an "adrenaline-soaked, thrash-worshipping, groove-driven, diverse, yet more sharply focused effort" ("diverse" but "sharply focused"?) and providing "[l]yrical missives abound, many of them reflecting the frustrating state of the world, through an aggressive perspective that transcends partisanship in favor of unbridled rage."

I get it if that's your thing, I'm not mocking it, just saying it's not for me.     
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on September 12, 2018, 09:39:30 AM
Yeah, I scanned through it to see if they talked specifically about whether the + more would be more covers or some of their originals (my guess is a bit of both). Pretty :lol but par for the course for these type of PR bios on concert event pages.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2018, 09:40:53 AM
But...they are kind of intentionally being a cliché.  Have you seen any of their official videos?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxpMCiUI7Q

They combine exceptional musicianship and familiar metal anthems with fun, goofiness, and stereotypes.  That seems to be kinda their thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2018, 09:46:09 AM
But...they are kind of intentionally being a cliché.  Have you seen any of their official videos?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxpMCiUI7Q

They combine exceptional musicianship and familiar metal anthems with fun, goofiness, and stereotypes.  That seems to be kinda their thing.

Fair enough, but then it's Amob, and that is my least favorite Portnoy project by a LONG shot.   Other than Steel Panther (and even then it wears thin with me) I'm not the hugest fan of the "ironic re-evaluation".   I love Night Ranger, Cinderella, and Kiss non-ironically, and unapologetically.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: deggs37 on September 12, 2018, 11:46:30 AM
I don't think it's an issue at all, it seems to loosen him up and while some may not like his dance moves or his cursing, I personally think it adds to their live show.  I like it.  He sings and performs fine, the alcohol isn't really effecting his performance which would be a reason to maybe have a talk about it.  I don't think it has anything to do with the 70s.  Bands today still like to drink during their performances.  The guy from Voyager had this big fruity cocktail on stage the other night.  He put on an awesome show, might have helped him loosen up.  I don't know, but I didn't think it was a turn off at all.

I agree... I mean yeah he doesn't necessarily need to advertise his drinking, no need to try and glorify it. But I am a big fan of JSS in this project. I like that he seems really excited to be part of this gig and is having a great time, and you can feel it. I like his silly little dance moves on stage that shows he knows all the parts in the songs. He and bumblefoot are the best things going for this band, IMO. And initially I came on board for MP and DS, who seem to be phoning it in - which is obvious if you watch MP on nearly any other live performance.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 12, 2018, 12:04:38 PM
I don't think it's an issue at all, it seems to loosen him up and while some may not like his dance moves or his cursing, I personally think it adds to their live show.  I like it.  He sings and performs fine, the alcohol isn't really effecting his performance which would be a reason to maybe have a talk about it.  I don't think it has anything to do with the 70s.  Bands today still like to drink during their performances.  The guy from Voyager had this big fruity cocktail on stage the other night.  He put on an awesome show, might have helped him loosen up.  I don't know, but I didn't think it was a turn off at all.

I agree... I mean yeah he doesn't necessarily need to advertise his drinking, no need to try and glorify it. But I am a big fan of JSS in this project. I like that he seems really excited to be part of this gig and is having a great time, and you can feel it. I like his silly little dance moves on stage that shows he knows all the parts in the songs. He and bumblefoot are the best things going for this band, IMO. And initially I came on board for MP and DS, who seem to be phoning it in - which is obvious if you watch MP on nearly any other live performance.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that MP is phoning it in, but I'll give you this much: when I saw their show here in Toronto, he seemed incredibly low key compare to the other bands I've seen him play with. He might have decided t take a step back in the context of SOA specifically, or maybe you're right and he's just not THAT engaged in SOA anymore (already... :facepalm:). We'll see about that - I guess their second album will be just as pivotal, if not more, for the success and continuity of this band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 12, 2018, 12:08:08 PM
Not really saying this is indicative of anything or if it's even out of the ordinary but when I was given my VIP badge at ProgPower I was sternly told NOT to approach Mike. That kind of shocked me given how for 15 years I've been under the impression Mike ADORES his fans and would go out of his way to talk to them or at least say hi. But when I was hanging in the VIP area, I was standing literally next to his dressing room watching part of the Redemption set on a TV, and went to talk to Labyrinth. As I was telling the band goodbye I saw Mike come walking out of his dressing room and looked around with a really disgusted/unhappy look on his face and walked out. Came back looking the same way; stayed far out of his way.

Just puzzled me 'cause he always seemed to be one of the most outgoing and friendly musicians around for so many years. Guess the DT split changed that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
That is odd.  But you never know what is going on with people either.  Maybe there was some internal band conflict going on at the moment.  Or maybe he had just gotten some really bad family news.  Or maybe stuck in some really bad negotiations for one of his other projects.  Whatever was going on with him, it seems to be out of the norm.  Bummer he was in a foul mood and that you didn't get to talk to him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 12, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
Oh I'm sure something was going on, I was just curious the whole time since I got the early very serious warning not to approach him whatsoever. It was my best friend's birthday and I was hoping to get him to scribble a birthday message or something to him but no biggie.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 12, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
Not really saying this is indicative of anything or if it's even out of the ordinary but when I was given my VIP badge at ProgPower I was sternly told NOT to approach Mike. That kind of shocked me given how for 15 years I've been under the impression Mike ADORES his fans and would go out of his way to talk to them or at least say hi. But when I was hanging in the VIP area, I was standing literally next to his dressing room watching part of the Redemption set on a TV, and went to talk to Labyrinth. As I was telling the band goodbye I saw Mike come walking out of his dressing room and looked around with a really disgusted/unhappy look on his face and walked out. Came back looking the same way; stayed far out of his way.

Just puzzled me 'cause he always seemed to be one of the most outgoing and friendly musicians around for so many years. Guess the DT split changed that.

That's strange, man. In Toronto he didn't come out for the aftershow party, but a friend and I approached him for photos when we saw him leaving the venue, and he was quite nice. Bumblefoot was amazing - I showed him the link of an interview I did with him just before the tour, and he loved it. Billy was great too, very approachable and talkative. Derek had family there, and although he was the one who got me my ticket, I didn't really feel he was opened to talk, so I let him be - I think he had a nephew there visiting. JSS didn't come out to meet after the show, but it would have been nice to catch up, since my interview with him made it to Blabbermouth, but I guess he had to rest and get ready to hit the road - they played in the US the next day.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on September 12, 2018, 12:35:31 PM
Not really saying this is indicative of anything or if it's even out of the ordinary but when I was given my VIP badge at ProgPower I was sternly told NOT to approach Mike. That kind of shocked me given how for 15 years I've been under the impression Mike ADORES his fans and would go out of his way to talk to them or at least say hi. But when I was hanging in the VIP area, I was standing literally next to his dressing room watching part of the Redemption set on a TV, and went to talk to Labyrinth. As I was telling the band goodbye I saw Mike come walking out of his dressing room and looked around with a really disgusted/unhappy look on his face and walked out. Came back looking the same way; stayed far out of his way.

Just puzzled me 'cause he always seemed to be one of the most outgoing and friendly musicians around for so many years. Guess the DT split changed that.

I met Mike a few times between 2004-2006 at a few different meet-n-greet situations. He was always really nice and outgoing and funny. In 2012, I saw him play with Neal, front row. I was wearing my old MP long-sleeve shirt. He ended up giving me a high five and saying "nice shirt" at the end of the show. But last year I had a similar experience as you. At Morsefest, after the second night, a good amount of people decided to stick around and hang out to take pictures and see if the band came out. I was able to talk to Neal, Eric, Bill, Randy, and Nick D'Virgilio, as well as take a picture with each (except Neal, but I didn't really try). All of the guys were amazingly friendly and down to Earth. I then stood around for about an hour seeing if Mike was going to come out. At one point, he did (kinda). I, again, was wearing my MP long sleeve shirt, hoping he would notice and come out to say hi. He came out of the back behind his drum set and skulked around, so as not to be seen. He grabbed something off his set and then went into the back. Now, I don't know if he ever came out, because I left after that, and I know he just finished off a really long weekend of performing... but it was disappointing to say the least, and a bit out of character.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on September 12, 2018, 12:42:13 PM
That is odd.  But you never know what is going on with people either.  Maybe there was some internal band conflict going on at the moment.  Or maybe he had just gotten some really bad family news.  Or maybe stuck in some really bad negotiations for one of his other projects.  Whatever was going on with him, it seems to be out of the norm.  Bummer he was in a foul mood and that you didn't get to talk to him.

I agree with Bosk. I've met MP 5-6 times just by standing outside the bus and he has always been respectful, fun, and approachable and signs stuff. I think he just had a bad day. Sucks that it happened at ProgPower since it's one of the few (or the only) festival where you can pretty much meet every band. If there is something you can't blame on MP, it's being approachable and accessible with fans. Hope you can meet him later on another show.

While the SoA studio album was a bit disappointing, the live show made  up for it. Hopefully the 2nd album is better.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 12, 2018, 12:47:28 PM
Not really saying this is indicative of anything or if it's even out of the ordinary but when I was given my VIP badge at ProgPower I was sternly told NOT to approach Mike. That kind of shocked me given how for 15 years I've been under the impression Mike ADORES his fans and would go out of his way to talk to them or at least say hi. But when I was hanging in the VIP area, I was standing literally next to his dressing room watching part of the Redemption set on a TV, and went to talk to Labyrinth. As I was telling the band goodbye I saw Mike come walking out of his dressing room and looked around with a really disgusted/unhappy look on his face and walked out. Came back looking the same way; stayed far out of his way.

Just puzzled me 'cause he always seemed to be one of the most outgoing and friendly musicians around for so many years. Guess the DT split changed that.

So, did you meet the guys from Labyrinth? John Macaluso is a great guy, isn't he?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 12, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
Not really saying this is indicative of anything or if it's even out of the ordinary but when I was given my VIP badge at ProgPower I was sternly told NOT to approach Mike. That kind of shocked me given how for 15 years I've been under the impression Mike ADORES his fans and would go out of his way to talk to them or at least say hi. But when I was hanging in the VIP area, I was standing literally next to his dressing room watching part of the Redemption set on a TV, and went to talk to Labyrinth. As I was telling the band goodbye I saw Mike come walking out of his dressing room and looked around with a really disgusted/unhappy look on his face and walked out. Came back looking the same way; stayed far out of his way.

Just puzzled me 'cause he always seemed to be one of the most outgoing and friendly musicians around for so many years. Guess the DT split changed that.

He knew exactly who you were. We know he lurks here. He's read your posts. I'd be pissed off too!





 :lol




I kid. You've always been pretty fair in your criticisms. Then again, most people here have but to some this is an anti-Portnoy board.  Whatever.

 
JSS didn't come out to meet after the show, but it would have been nice to catch up, since my interview with him made it to Blabbermouth....

Probably too drunk.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 12, 2018, 01:36:58 PM
Thanks for the replies, folks - it's good to know that he was probably just having an off day, or maybe he was just really tired (he did fly in from somewhere else that same morning for the ProgPower gig, so maybe he was just really tired and stuff). Maybe some other day, if Winery Dogs ever gets back together - it would be nice to at least thank him in person for that (I did not do the Sons of Apollo signing either because I wanted to watch the bands).

So, did you meet the guys from Labyrinth? John Macaluso is a great guy, isn't he?

I met three of them, Olaf, Oleg, and Nik - not sure where the other guys were. I did get to see the acoustic show on Saturday though. I could've approached Roberto and the others after the set but they were already swamped with fans so I let them be (didn't get to the signing because again I wanted to see bands). All three were incredibly nice, however; Oleg was very concerned about any sound issues but I told him I couldn't hear anything (genuinely thought they were flawless). The next night I got to stand around and bullshit with Olaf for a long time about touring and such and that was really cool. There's a picture I posted a couple pages back, I believe, with me and the guys :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 12, 2018, 01:42:54 PM
Yea MIke, given that I did the meet and greet, probably earlier than when you ran into him, and he didn't seem angry or in a bad mood (even after I brought up DTF).  I'm guessing something may have happened or maybe he was not interested in doing anything but perform at that point since they had to be up super early to go to Japan and did a long meet and greet (advertised as 30 minutes, but it seemed like it went longer). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2018, 01:44:43 PM
Things have taken their toll.  I met him for the first time during the TSOAD tour at my local show. I told him who I was and to my surprise he hesitated a second and looked up and said "Oh, you're one of the good ones!".  I said "I'm trying, not always easy!" (meaning, at that point I was hip deep in a discussion here and being called a "fanboy" and whatnot, but after I realized that he might have taken it as "not easy because you're always  making things difficult" and that was not at all what I meant).   But I was hanging around after the SOA show in Worcester, and even though there were only about five or six of us (in the rain) we got the impression that they were waiting us out (one of the women with us, her nephew or some shit was working the venue and he said that "any meet and greets were family only" whatever that means).   

I certainly hope that he is okay and that there wasn't bad news for him, but whether it's just meeting the same people over and over, or bitter from the last seven, eight years, I get the impression that some of the shine has worn off the ol' fan/artist interface. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 12, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
Not really saying this is indicative of anything or if it's even out of the ordinary but when I was given my VIP badge at ProgPower I was sternly told NOT to approach Mike. That kind of shocked me given how for 15 years I've been under the impression Mike ADORES his fans and would go out of his way to talk to them or at least say hi. But when I was hanging in the VIP area, I was standing literally next to his dressing room watching part of the Redemption set on a TV, and went to talk to Labyrinth. As I was telling the band goodbye I saw Mike come walking out of his dressing room and looked around with a really disgusted/unhappy look on his face and walked out. Came back looking the same way; stayed far out of his way.

Just puzzled me 'cause he always seemed to be one of the most outgoing and friendly musicians around for so many years. Guess the DT split changed that.

It's because Cram mentioned "the forums". Haha, Jk cram. But yeah, I felt that too. Especially when he had to mention a certain singer cancelling.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 12, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
Wasn't there some dirt or something about the LaBrie cancelling?  What's the word on that?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 12, 2018, 01:52:09 PM
I'm really not sure if I should share that in public to be honest.

Unless I already did, in which case I'm fucking stupid  :facepalm:  :lol

Yea MIke, given that I did the meet and greet, probably earlier than when you ran into him, and he didn't seem angry or in a bad mood (even after I brought up DTF).  I'm guessing something may have happened or maybe he was not interested in doing anything but perform at that point since they had to be up super early to go to Japan and did a long meet and greet (advertised as 30 minutes, but it seemed like it went longer).

Ahhh. That makes sense too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 12, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
Oh I'm sure something was going on, I was just curious the whole time since I got the early very serious warning not to approach him whatsoever. It was my best friend's birthday and I was hoping to get him to scribble a birthday message or something to him but no biggie.

It could be because they had fly out to Japan early in the morn. Right after their set.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2018, 02:10:48 PM
Maybe he’s annoyed cause he’s touring with this sinking ship and having to miss Morsefest because of it. ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 12, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
No u!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 12, 2018, 02:30:32 PM
Oh I'm sure something was going on, I was just curious the whole time since I got the early very serious warning not to approach him whatsoever. It was my best friend's birthday and I was hoping to get him to scribble a birthday message or something to him but no biggie.

It could be because they had fly out to Japan early in the morn. Right after their set.

I'd be grumpy too honestly :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on September 12, 2018, 03:27:45 PM
Maybe he’s annoyed cause he’s touring with this sinking ship and having to miss Morsefest because of it. ;)

Far more people at ProgPower than there will be at MorseFest.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on September 12, 2018, 03:43:41 PM
Maybe he’s annoyed cause he’s touring with this sinking ship and having to miss Morsefest because of it. ;)

Far more people at ProgPower than there will be at MorseFest.

Far more bands played at ProgPower than will at Morsefest. :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 12, 2018, 03:48:47 PM
I'm not opposed to criticizing people if they've done something I disagree with, but are we just taking general shots at Mike now for the hell of it?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on September 12, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
He did fly in from the Metal Allegiance show a night before straight to Atlanta in the morning for the PPUSA show,  and then off to Japan. Grueling travel schedule.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 12, 2018, 04:42:10 PM
I'm not opposed to criticizing people if they've done something I disagree with, but are we just taking general shots at Mike now for the hell of it?

No.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 13, 2018, 06:13:08 PM
He did fly in from the Metal Allegiance show a night before straight to Atlanta in the morning for the PPUSA show,  and then off to Japan. Grueling travel schedule.

That would be more than enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's really tough to earn a decent living as a working musician and I'm sure he'd rather not be slogging it out on the road as much as he is, but that's where the money is. (Such as it is.)




I don't follow him on social media (more because I don't do social media than my refusal to follow him specifically) so I really don't know what the fuss is about. Not sure I'd care if I did.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 14, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
I'm not opposed to criticizing people if they've done something I disagree with, but are we just taking general shots at Mike now for the hell of it?

No.

I know I'm not; I totally get the concept of being exhausted from travel, but I was just observing that things seem to have changed.  Not better, not worse, just different.   If the price of not being in a 5,000 seat theater band is more travel and less fan-time, so be it, but it DOES seem to be a different approach than, say, 15 years ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 21, 2018, 07:58:03 PM
I'm not opposed to criticizing people if they've done something I disagree with, but are we just taking general shots at Mike now for the hell of it?

No.

I know I'm not; I totally get the concept of being exhausted from travel, but I was just observing that things seem to have changed.  Not better, not worse, just different.   If the price of not being in a 5,000 seat theater band is more travel and less fan-time, so be it, but it DOES seem to be a different approach than, say, 15 years ago.

Well, it's one thing slugging it out in a van when you're 25 and another when you're 50.

I'm sure the travel arrangements and they itinerary could be better, but then you'd be cutting into the profit margin. There's also a lot more entertainment competition than there was 25 years ago.

It's seems Mike sometimes catches it for the musical choices he makes but a lot of it is out of his hands. Trying to make a living making music isn't as easy as it once was, but I think he still manages to do a lot of what he wants to do.

As much as I love Flying Colors, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment or Neal Morse, none of those bnads are suddenly going to go on a World Slavery Tour.

Gigs are the major income for most musicians these days.

So I guess what I'm saying in a roundabout way is that the circumstances are different and there's more than one reason for it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 06, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
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Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on October 06, 2018, 04:38:07 PM
That's pretty cool. I don't think it's something I would really be interested in but I'm sure there are a lot of people who are.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 07, 2018, 11:55:30 PM
Never cared for his drum cam videos but those tribute albums are interesting. But why are the video downloads 5$ cheaper than the audio downloads? Less is more?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bobs23 on October 08, 2018, 07:49:44 AM
Never cared for his drum cam videos but those tribute albums are interesting. But why are the video downloads 5$ cheaper than the audio downloads? Less is more?
The standard def videos are less expensive. In the case of the videos that I did, they are uploaded as either 1920 or 1280 HD.
I pulled the original edits and used those, as opposed to the down converted versions that were send to replication for DVD.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 10, 2018, 07:07:02 PM
Never cared for his drum cam videos but those tribute albums are interesting. But why are the video downloads 5$ cheaper than the audio downloads? Less is more?

For me it depends on what album it is. There are still a few I'd want that I don't have yet, but I'd want ownership of the DVD in those cases.

But it's a streaming world it seems.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on October 22, 2018, 07:47:05 PM
Not gonna lie, I kind of want to go bowling with MP :lol :lol

https://metalallegiance.bigcartel.com/product/bowling-with-metal-allegiance-vip-meet-and-greet-package?fbclid=IwAR3ytDwEfah1E9Jk12SeBi55MtCI_4Iv5EGh2fw81-ncM2KhKXBp8tVfqkM
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 22, 2018, 09:30:15 PM
Not gonna lie, I kind of want to go bowling with MP :lol :lol

https://metalallegiance.bigcartel.com/product/bowling-with-metal-allegiance-vip-meet-and-greet-package?fbclid=IwAR3ytDwEfah1E9Jk12SeBi55MtCI_4Iv5EGh2fw81-ncM2KhKXBp8tVfqkM

Wh000000t?!??!?! I'd DEFINITELY pay for that if they came to Toronto. But how can we purchase that without knowing if they're coming to our town?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 22, 2018, 09:31:23 PM
Nevermind, I just read that this is only for the NY show.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 23, 2018, 07:54:05 AM
Not a bad price really either
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on October 23, 2018, 08:05:36 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't consider a normal MnG for that price, but how often do you get a chance to go bowling with one of your musical idols?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on November 04, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't consider a normal MnG for that price, but how often do you get a chance to go bowling with one of your musical idols?

I'd have a lot more fun mini golfing myself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 03, 2018, 12:12:03 PM
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Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
For some reason I read it as "Where rock, metal, prog and fashion unite" and it still made sense to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on December 03, 2018, 05:43:01 PM
For some reason I read it as "Where rock, metal, prog and fashion unite" and it still made sense to me.

It had to happen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2018, 07:58:33 AM
From MP's facebook:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48419197_2658703100813982_1532585438068342784_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=a45260addb6b6cad3864f17cd05c76e8&oe=5CA117AA)

Quote
Good times with old friends tonight in NYC! Happy Holidays from MP & JP #mikeportnoy #johnpetrucci

There's also a pic of both their families at the tree  :yarr
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Art on December 19, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
 :heart
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on December 19, 2018, 08:03:41 AM
I hope one day for a similar pic with James.

Nice in the meantime to see the holiday season vibe strong in those two  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on December 19, 2018, 08:21:15 AM
This is the second pic of them together this year. I think they did the first one around New Year's. I'm glad to see them in a pic together & happy if nothing else. It should make us smile too. Music aside, it's the relationships that matter.

Here's a great idea...could MP be a special guest during one date of this year's tour for the SFAM set? Not the whole SFAM set, but for a song? Don't know if both DT & MP 2019 tour schedules could allow for it. Think about this...how epic would it be (for nostalgia's sake) for MP to play "Dance of Eternity" with the guys? This is not a "get MP back in DT" plea or an attempt to take a dump on Mangini. Just a nostalgia thing. Seems like perfect timing to do something like this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2018, 08:56:17 AM
The NYC date sounds good for that  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 09:20:15 AM
Here's a great idea...could MP be a special guest during one date of this year's tour for the SFAM set? Not the whole SFAM set, but for a song? Don't know if both DT & MP 2019 tour schedules could allow for it. Think about this...how epic would it be (for nostalgia's sake) for MP to play "Dance of Eternity" with the guys? This is not a "get MP back in DT" plea or an attempt to take a dump on Mangini. Just a nostalgia thing. Seems like perfect timing to do something like this.

That'd be neat to see....but it's tough to tell what his relationship is with the other guys. We know from social media that he, JP and JR seem to have mended any hard feelings or wounds from him leaving the band.....but there seems to be no evidence to suggest that he and James or JMX are on speaking terms. Given Mangini's personality.....I'd be willing to bet he'd be fine with allowing MP to make a 'guest' appearance. I just get the feeling that there are still some hard feelings left out there between MP/JL and JMX.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on December 19, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
As much as I would love it, I don't see them bringing MP on stage to drum with DT anytime soon. Wouldn't be fair to MM given all the chatter that fans still do about how missed MP is. I wouldn't be surprised if MP and JP end up jamming onstage together for something else though. I was really excited thinking it was going to happen at the Metal Allegiance show in Brooklyn a few weeks ago because I saw JP there with a guitar case, but he was just serving as his wife's roadie :lol (she plays lead in the all female Judas Priest cover band that opened for Metal Allegiance).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2018, 09:24:49 AM
 :lol that's pretty funny.  I already could see JR and MP doing something on the Cruise to the Edge they both will be on.  I'd think MM would allow it, but I feel JLB has maybe the most beef.  Maybe he'd be cool with it, but I also don't see it happening just yet.  I do think it will eventually happen though, just seems so ripe to eventually happen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Curious as to if another Liquid Tension Experiment would ever happen? I'd think that'd be the best shot we're gonna get for them to perform/create together ever again.

Question is....."IF" JLB and JMX are still upset with MP and have unsettled issues.....would they get upset with JR and JP if they did another LTE with MP?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on December 19, 2018, 09:32:48 AM
I think the most fans can hope for is a reunion of LTE. Even if MP mends whatever issues there may be with James (and if some exist with JM and MM), I don't see DT having MP as a guest. That opens too many questions, and honestly...would be a bad business move, considering all the time they've put into making MM significantly part of the band (in the eyes of both fans and industry). While I'd never say never on MP guesting with DT, I just don't find it to be likely at all.

But LTE reuniting, or JP/JR showing up at one of Mike's gigs to do a couple of DT songs? I'd find that very possible, and likely, moving forward. Just my gut feeling on it.

MP and JP were friends and bandmates and business partners for too long to let that relationship be ripped apart. But as long as MP is comfortable knowing that DT is not something he'll be a part of again, I think the two of them move forward as brothers.

The only scenario I ever see MP rejoining Dream Theater again is if MM decides, on his own volition, to step down. In that case, given that JP and JR drive Dream Theater, I absolutely think MP would be the first person they call. And if bridges haven't been rebuilt to JL and JM by then, I think it happens anyway. But again, that's if and ONLY IF, Mangini voluntarily, on his own volition, for his own reasons, leaves the band. I don't think Dream Theater will ever ask him to leave. They like MM, MM likes them. It would have to be MM deciding that he needs a change.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on December 19, 2018, 09:42:30 AM
I think the most fans can hope for is a reunion of LTE. Even if MP mends whatever issues there may be with James (and if some exist with JM and MM), I don't see DT having MP as a guest. That opens too many questions, and honestly...would be a bad business move, considering all the time they've put into making MM significantly part of the band (in the eyes of both fans and industry). While I'd never say never on MP guesting with DT, I just don't find it to be likely at all.

But LTE reuniting, or JP/JR showing up at one of Mike's gigs to do a couple of DT songs? I'd find that very possible, and likely, moving forward. Just my gut feeling on it.

MP and JP were friends and bandmates and business partners for too long to let that relationship be ripped apart. But as long as MP is comfortable knowing that DT is not something he'll be a part of again, I think the two of them move forward as brothers.

The only scenario I ever see MP rejoining Dream Theater again is if MM decides, on his own volition, to step down. In that case, given that JP and JR drive Dream Theater, I absolutely think MP would be the first person they call. And if bridges haven't been rebuilt to JL and JM by then, I think it happens anyway. But again, that's if and ONLY IF, Mangini voluntarily, on his own volition, for his own reasons, leaves the band. I don't think Dream Theater will ever ask him to leave. They like MM, MM likes them. It would have to be MM deciding that he needs a change.

I think this is the most realistic approach to the situation and the possible combinations. It's also the only situation in which I'd accept a reunion with Portnoy - Mangini leaving of his own free will, but also the friendship with the other guys have to be sincerely repaired. If they have to pretend for the sake of being in the band all together, just don't bother.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 19, 2018, 09:47:45 AM
It'd be more likely for JP or JR to join MP on stage for one of his things.

The amount of backlash and drama MP joining them for even one song is just not worth it.

Plus, look at MM's current kit. Could MP even play that thing effectively? It's a really weird set up for most drummers.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on December 19, 2018, 09:51:35 AM
I think having MP guest with DT is a terrible idea, as A LOT of things could go wrong. Just imagine MP appearing there to surprise everyone, he plays the song and everybody starts chanting his name, he leaves, MM comes back in, but people still chant for Portnoy to come back. If I were Mangini, I'd hate every moment of it (and my bandmates for letting this happen).

Okay, let's imagine that doesn't happen but, well, someone films MP playing with the guys and innocently uploads the video. Won't be long untill all the trolls start commenting on how they need MP back, how they suck with Mangini and blah blah. News outlets like Blabbermouth and others would definitely make things worse.

And about any beef there might be between Portnoy and some members of the band (James, Myung and/or Mangini), that's definitely 100% on Portnoy and he should be the one to apologise (sons of apologise, anyone?), not the other way around.

The only scenario I ever see MP rejoining Dream Theater again is if MM decides, on his own volition, to step down. In that case, given that JP and JR drive Dream Theater, I absolutely think MP would be the first person they call. And if bridges haven't been rebuilt to JL and JM by then, I think it happens anyway. But again, that's if and ONLY IF, Mangini voluntarily, on his own volition, for his own reasons, leaves the band. I don't think Dream Theater will ever ask him to leave. They like MM, MM likes them. It would have to be MM deciding that he needs a change.

This. I'd be fine with him coming back (not a fan of his personality, but he's still a great drummer) ONLY IF Mangini doesn't want to do this anymore and they can get to an agreement with Pornoy on who's in charge of what and how things are different now than in 2010. I imagine that if they don't sort those things first, his control freak personality would clash with their new way of doing and deciding things (music direction, influences, setlists, keeping the band your priority vs doing a lot of side projects, etc etc) and he wouldn't last in the band for too long anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2018, 09:55:49 AM
I dont know, all those trolls are out there already doing this (you only need to look at the latest DT social media post to find such trolls).  I'm not sure what changes if MP performed say Pull Me Under for a surprise encore at a random show just once.  What would make anyone think hes going to be back in the band when the band performs the next night in another city with MM and everything is back to normal? 

I do guess the actual drum set up could be an issue though like Adami said and it is way more likely to see the DT guys perform in a MP band than the other way around.  I still think it will eventually happen though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 19, 2018, 09:59:16 AM
And about any beef there might be between Portnoy and some members of the band (James, Myung and/or Mangini), that's definitely 100% on Portnoy and he should be the one to apologise (sons of apologise, anyone?), not the other way around.

I recall seeing/reading that he has said he's reached out to every band member and only JP/JR have followed up with him. Not sure if that means MM as well....but I think he was speaking more towards JLB and JMX. It just seems that those two...especially James....are still upset about the way it all went down. And, understandably so.

It's a bummer to see because life is short.....but, I think/hope that someday all of them will reach a point to where they'd at least speak again.

It's always nice to see those pics of MP with JR and JP....especially when the whole families are involved. And that's just from the perspective of seeing they still have a friendship. That's more valuable than making music....I'd imagine those guys have shared a lot in their lives so it's cool to see them speaking and together when it happens.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on December 19, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
And about any beef there might be between Portnoy and some members of the band (James, Myung and/or Mangini), that's definitely 100% on Portnoy and he should be the one to apologise (sons of apologise, anyone?), not the other way around.

I recall seeing/reading that he has said he's reached out to every band member and only JP/JR have followed up with him. Not sure if that means MM as well....but I think he was speaking more towards JLB and JMX. It just seems that those two...especially James....are still upset about the way it all went down. And, understandably so.

IIRC, that was around the time he left the band (maybe 1 or 2 years down the road), but let's not forget he's the one who kept making passive aggressive comments and digs at DT on social media for years. I definitely want them to patch things up and think James and John M should't be bitter against him (it's been 8 years already, guys), but they definitely have nothing to apologise for. He left, and then complained about it. A LOT. Not them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on December 19, 2018, 10:15:07 AM
And about any beef there might be between Portnoy and some members of the band (James, Myung and/or Mangini), that's definitely 100% on Portnoy and he should be the one to apologise (sons of apologise, anyone?), not the other way around.

I recall seeing/reading that he has said he's reached out to every band member and only JP/JR have followed up with him. Not sure if that means MM as well....but I think he was speaking more towards JLB and JMX. It just seems that those two...especially James....are still upset about the way it all went down. And, understandably so.

IIRC, that was around the time he left the band (maybe 1 or 2 years down the road), but let's not forget he's the one who kept making passive aggressive comments and digs at DT on social media for years. I definitely want them to patch things up and think James and John M should't be bitter against him (it's been 8 years already, guys), but they definitely have nothing to apologise for. He left, and then complained about it. A LOT. Not them.

But we also don't know what specific reasons JLB or JM have to be on bad terms with MP. Could be stuff that was festering within the band before he left that they just don't feel the need to be diplomatic about anymore. I think it's unfairly assumptive to assume that it's all MPs fault and he needs to reach out (again) and apologize to fix those relationships.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on December 19, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
Just imagine MP appearing there to surprise everyone, he plays the song and everybody starts chanting his name, he leaves, MM comes back in, but people still chant for Portnoy to come back. If I were Mangini, I'd hate every moment of it (and my bandmates for letting this happen).

No way "everyone" starts chanting his name. At least if I am at that show, one person won't. Not a dig at him, I'll stand up give him the applause he deserves. But I'd be put off by the gimmickry of his appearance and that the band's drummer had to sit backstage while his predecessor takes over for a song, all for the sake of nostalgia. There is absolutely no reason for this to happen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on December 19, 2018, 02:04:29 PM
There is absolutely no reason for this to happen.

Other than many fans who would love to see the band and MP officially bury the hatchet.  It would be an awesome moment for the band.  And who says MM needs to go off stage, maybe they wheel out a kit for MP and they go at it together, maybe MM plays the drums while MP hits the hi hats standing outside the kit.  I think it would just be cool for everyone to be on the same stage again, and at least appear like they are friends and enjoying being together for the fans one more time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
Yeah, and that might as well sing "Kumbaya" while they're at it! :P :lol

Sorry, but I would see no reason to do this.  Portnoy is friends with Petrucci and Rudess (again), so what is the issue?  If he doesn't get along with Myung or LaBrie anymore, BFD.  Not every friendship or working relationship is for life.  In fact, most are not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on December 19, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
Not every friendship or working relationship is for life.  In fact, most are not.

Except ours, right?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on December 19, 2018, 02:48:58 PM
Not every friendship or working relationship is for life.  In fact, most are not.

Except ours, right?

Exactly. Your place tonight, right, sweetie?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dublagent66 on December 19, 2018, 02:50:03 PM
Just imagine MP appearing there to surprise everyone, he plays the song and everybody starts chanting his name, he leaves, MM comes back in, but people still chant for Portnoy to come back. If I were Mangini, I'd hate every moment of it (and my bandmates for letting this happen).

I don't see that as being even a remote possibility.  The decision to bring MP in as a guest would have to be entirely unanimous and I doubt that will ever happen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on December 19, 2018, 02:51:21 PM
There is absolutely no reason for this to happen.

Other than many fans who would love to see the band and MP officially bury the hatchet.  It would be an awesome moment for the band.  And who says MM needs to go off stage, maybe they wheel out a kit for MP and they go at it together

This. It would be proper closure for the fans. I know we're not entitled to anything. I just think it would be a cool thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on December 19, 2018, 04:47:14 PM
And who says MM needs to go off stage, maybe they wheel out a kit for MP and they go at it together, maybe MM plays the drums while MP hits the hi hats standing outside the kit.

Just give him a cowbell and a splash cymbal.

I don't get why this "reunion" thing is even a thing.  Obviously, they did it with Charlie and Derek (and tried to include Kevin) when they did WDADRu, but (a) that was all MP's idea, and (b) it was a one-time thing that they never did again -- even when MP was still in the band.  JP and JLB both commented that it was cool having Charlie and Derek play with them.  I don't think JM said anything about it (shocking); nor did JR (probably because he never played with either Charlie or Derek).

Personally, I think it would be cool, but I don't see this ever happening.  It would, however, be interesting if someone would ask JP -- and if he would candidly answer -- something like the following:  "We've seen a couple pictures of you and MP hanging out together, and the fans seem to like seeing that the two of you are on good terms.  Have you and he ever discussed the possibility of him making a one-off appearance with DT and, if you hadn't, is that something you and the other guys would be open to?"  Again, this would only be worthwhile if he answered candidly and didn't just give the stock, "MM is our drummer and we're looking forward" answer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DT2003 on December 19, 2018, 05:09:35 PM
Years ago I never thought I’d say this, but at this point I’d rather not see MP on stage with DT again.  I just don’t see a point to it anymore. I would love to see LTE either tour again or make a new album then tour. Mike playing with JP and Jordan makes sense to me, but Mike being on stage with James and John M. wouldn’t feel right given all that’s gone on. I know after Mike left it seemed like him and Jordan remained close, but I wonder if that has changed given the childish comments Mike’s current bandmate made about DT and Jordan specifically.  Glad to see Mike and JP together and I really hope to see them together on stage again in some capacity.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ruba on December 19, 2018, 06:27:45 PM
I don't care whether this leads to anything. I'm just happy that Mike and JP are in speaking terms.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on December 20, 2018, 01:27:25 AM
The simple fact that a picture of these two guys together sparkled all this discussion about the possible musical outcomes of this, is the proof that it's better to leave things as they are, on the musical side of the issue, and let MP doing his thing and DT doing their thing with Mangini. Two longtime friends can't even post a picture together that the speculation immediately arises  :D

This is the best approach:

I don't care whether this leads to anything. I'm just happy that Mike and JP are in speaking terms.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on December 20, 2018, 09:14:42 AM
There's another pic MP put on Instagram with both families at Rockefeller Center in front of the Christmas tree. Looks like it's good times for all.

I know I said what I said earlier in this thread about the music but the bottom line remains in what I said. If their relationship has been restored then that's the most important thing. I'm glad to see them together and happy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 20, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
There's another pic MP put on Instagram with both families at Rockefeller Center in front of the Christmas tree. Looks like it's good times for all.

I know I said what I said earlier in this thread about the music but the bottom line remains in what I said. If their relationship has been restored then that's the most important thing. I'm glad to see them together and happy.

(https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/053102e48c19de28aa613ea216d437be/5CB72491/t51.2885-15/e35/47690734_694393760961878_4889838087625946460_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on December 20, 2018, 12:15:46 PM
There's another pic MP put on Instagram with both families at Rockefeller Center in front of the Christmas tree. Looks like it's good times for all.

I know I said what I said earlier in this thread about the music but the bottom line remains in what I said. If their relationship has been restored then that's the most important thing. I'm glad to see them together and happy.

(https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/053102e48c19de28aa613ea216d437be/5CB72491/t51.2885-15/e35/47690734_694393760961878_4889838087625946460_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com)

Geez...could Max look any more like his dad at the same age?!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Darkstarshades on December 20, 2018, 12:16:17 PM
The reason a reunion is so urgent is because I don't think Tony Levin will be able to wait yet another 15 years :(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on December 21, 2018, 01:20:39 AM
What a wonderful picture that is. Two families looking very happy together. And that's all that really matters.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on December 21, 2018, 12:53:12 PM
The reason a reunion is so urgent is because I don't think Tony Levin will be able to wait yet another 15 years :(

*googles Tony's age* dang I didn't know he was 72
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: As I Am on December 21, 2018, 03:08:25 PM
Definitely would LOVE an LTE reunion (w new album). Aside from that, I don't really care about a DT reunion with MP anymore. MP does so many better things than DT now, I'm past all of that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on December 22, 2018, 11:08:54 AM
What a wonderful picture that is. Two families looking very happy together. And that's all that really matters.

Exactly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on December 27, 2018, 06:46:33 PM
Mike has posted a few screenshots of his iTunes showing the longest songs on his library. Long story short, Illumination Theory is in there and people were commenting on it like “how cool is that!” but now the comments are “misteriously” gone  :huh:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on December 27, 2018, 07:10:13 PM
I may be misremembering, but didn't JP give MP a copy of the self-titled when they got together? I probably am just dreaming that up. It honestly doesn't surprise me that he has the album, as much as he's said he doesn't like The Astonishing, he probably has that too. I think it's cool that he has those songs, I wonder what he thinks of them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 27, 2018, 08:38:36 PM
He is probably rehearsing the songs for when the time comes





















JK
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on December 27, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
I think it's very cool that he at least has the music, doesn't mean he listens to any of it, but he has it. I guess that Mike, being the completist he is, needs to have everything DT related even though he's no longer in the band.

My comment was on why he started deleting comments, people were actually saying positive things about it, but then you could hardly see any DT related comments in his post. Weird.

He is probably rehearsing the songs for when the time comes





















JK

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on December 30, 2018, 02:28:14 AM
JP and MP's daughters live together in NYC. So there's that connection to the latest photo as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on December 30, 2018, 03:24:00 AM
There's another pic MP put on Instagram with both families at Rockefeller Center in front of the Christmas tree. Looks like it's good times for all.

I know I said what I said earlier in this thread about the music but the bottom line remains in what I said. If their relationship has been restored then that's the most important thing. I'm glad to see them together and happy.

(https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/053102e48c19de28aa613ea216d437be/5CB72491/t51.2885-15/e35/47690734_694393760961878_4889838087625946460_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com)

MP: let’s take a photo together
JP: ok
MP: dude is that a guitar over there
JP: no
MP: looks like someone left his guitar here
JP: please no
MP: good thing I’m always packin my drum kit
JP: what have I done
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on January 08, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Huge update on 2019 for Mike:

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MP New Year Update: Back To Work!!!

Starting TODAY: myself, Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot will begin the writing/recording process for the new Sons Of Apollo album and (along with Billy Sheehan and Jeff Scott Soto) we will continue to work on SOA2 throughout the year for a release towards the end of the year or possibly early 2020 when we will begin touring again...(I also will continue work on the SOA Live in Plovdiv release that will be coming out early summer)

Also in the coming months, work will continue on the new Flying Colors album that I have already tracked to and that we are hoping to release around late summer...and hopefully (fingers crossed) live dates around the fall if possible... 🤞

In the meantime, I will be hitting the road in a few weeks to begin my tour cycle for the first half of 2019....which will include some special one off shows/events like Metal Allegiance In Anaheim (this Jan 24th), a very special “Mike Portnoy & Friends” Show aboard Cruise to the Edge next month and my All-Star Music Camp Percussive Nation in July!

And of course there’s a few full-on tours...
First the Neal Morse Band will spend Feb & March traveling all across North America and then March & April all across EU and the UK...doing “Evening With” shows playing our entire new epic double concept album The Great Adventure every night!

And then on from the Prog epics Of NMB, I jump onto a month long US Tour for a long awaited Reunion of myself, Richie Kotzen and Billy Sheehan: The Winery Dogs are Back for a fun run through the States all throughout May!

It all sounds crazy and hard to keep track of, but really it’s not!! Literally Bookmark and click on this link which is always updated and you’ll always know where I am!!! —> https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/2639127959438163/

And Here’s my upcoming schedule as it currently stands:

with Sons Of Apollo:
Jan 8th to 15th - Writing Sessions in PA
Jan 17th to 22nd - Tracking Sessions in LA

with Metal Allegiance:
Jan 24th - Metal Allegiance - Anaheim CA

w The Neal Morse Band:
Feb 2nd - Nashville, TN - City Winery
Feb 3rd - CTTE 2019 Pre-Cruise Party
Feb 4th to 9th - CTTE 2019
Feb 9th - Orlando, FL - The Abbey
Feb 10th - Atlanta, GA - City Winery
Feb 11th - Charlotte, NC - Neighborhood Theatre
Feb 12th - Baltimore, MD - Soundstage
Feb 13th - Jersey City, NJ - White Eagle Hall
Feb 15th - Boston, MA - The Sinclair
Feb 16th - Philadelphia, PA - Keswick Theatre
Feb 17th - Westbury, NY - The Space at Westbury
Feb 18th - Montreal, QB - Club Soda
Feb 19th - Quebec City, QB - Salle Sylvain Lelievre
Feb 21st - Toronto ON - Opera House
Feb 22nd - Pittsburgh, PA - Mr. Smalls Theatre
Feb 23rd - Cleveland OH - Beachland Ballroom
Feb 24th - Detroit, MI - The Crofoot Ballroom
Feb 26th - Chicago, IL - Arcada Theater
Feb 27th - St Louis, MO - Delmar Hall
Feb 28th - Dallas TX - Gas Monkey Live
March 1st - Lawrence, KS - Granada Theater
March 2nd - Denver, CO – Summit Music Hall
March 5th - Seattle, WA - The Triple Door
March 6th - Portland, OR - Hawthorne Theatre
March 7th - San Francisco, CA - Slim's
March 8th - Whittier, CA - Center Theater
March 9th - Chandler, AZ - Bogel Theater (CAC)

March 24th - London, England - Islington Assembly Hall
March 25th - Paris, France - L’Alhambra
March 26th - Tilburg, Netherlands - O13
March 27th - Luxembourg - Rockhal Esch Sur Alzette
March 29th - Koln, Germany - Kantine
March 30th - Copenhagen, Denmark - Viften
March 31st - Goteborg, Sweden - Stora Teatern
April 1st - Stockholm, Sweden - Skandiascenen
April 3rd - Berlin, Germany - Heimathafen
April 4th - Hamburg, Germany - Markthalle
April 5th - Leipzig, Germany - Halle d / Werk 2
April 6th - Warsaw, Poland - Progresja
April 7th - Brno, Czech Rep - Sono
April 9th - Munich, Germany - Technikum
April 10th - Pratteln, Switzerland - Z7
April 11th - Lyon, France - Ninkasi Kao
April 12th - Milano, Italy - Trezzo Sull Add
April 13th - Barcelona, Spain - Salamandra 1
April 14th - Madrid, Spain - Sala Mon

with The Winery Dogs:
April 30th - Derry, NH - Tupelo Music Hall
May 1st - Derry, NH - Tupelo Music Hall
May 2nd - Jim Thorpe, PA - Penn’s Peak
May 3rd - New York, NY - Sony Hall
May 5th - Ridgefield, CT - Ridgefield Playhouse
May 7th - Hopewell, VA - Beacon Theater
May 8th - Nashville, TN - Basement East
May 9th - New Orleans, LA - House Of Blues
May 11th - Dallas, TX - Gas Monkey
May 12th - Houston, TX - Warehouse Live
May 15th - Ft Wayne, IN - Pierre’s
May 16th - Milwaukee, WI - Potowatami Casino
May 17th - Milwaukee, WI - Potowatami Casino
May 18th - St Charles, IL - Arcada Theater
May 20th - Minneapolis, MN - First Avenue
May 23rd - Denver, CO - Oriental Theater
May 24th - Grand Junction, CO - Mesa Theater
May 25th - Las Vegas, NV - Vamp’d
May 28th - Sacramento, CA - Crest Theater
May 29th - Santa Cruz, CA - Rio Theater
May 30th - Anaheim, CA - The Grove
May 31st - Los Angeles, CA - The Saban Theater

July 8th to 12th - MP Percussive Nation Music Camp

w The Neal Morse Band:
Aug 30th & 31st - Cross Plains, TN - MorseFest 2019

—————————————————

MP 2019 Releases:
• Jan 25th - The Neal Morse Band: The Great Adventure
• Early Summer?? - Sons Of Apollo: Live With The Plovdiv Psychotic Symphony
• Late Summer?? - FC3
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nekov on January 08, 2019, 11:07:41 AM
The man is a machine...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 08, 2019, 11:54:37 AM
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Starting TODAY: myself, Derek Sherinian and Bumblefoot will begin the writing/recording process for the new Sons Of Apollo album and (along with Billy Sheehan and Jeff Scott Soto) we will continue to work on SOA2 throughout the year for a release towards the end of the year or possibly early 2020 when we will begin touring again...

Yay!  :D  Count me in!

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I also will continue work on the SOA Live in Plovdiv release that will be coming out early summer

Yay!  :D  Count me in!

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Also in the coming months, work will continue on the new Flying Colors album

Eh, okay, count me in.  :)

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The Winery Dogs are Back for a fun run through the States all throughout May!

No thanks.  But good news on the other projects.

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[other tour stuff]

Man, I wish!  There is just far too much good live music early this year.  I can't do it all, but wish I could.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2019, 11:57:29 AM
Wow, what a lazy guy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: deggs37 on January 08, 2019, 02:21:51 PM
Super excited for the next Flying Colors! Feeling optimistic about the next Sons. Meh on Winery Dogs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 08, 2019, 02:24:31 PM
Im looking forward to seeing the Winery Dogs but that's just a tour, not something that's really new and interesting, just a fun show IMO.  But I am actually looking forward to SOA.  I didn't love the album but I've said it before and I'll say it agian, the potential is there.  They were so good live, if they can just write some better songs they could be really good so I am hoping to see them progress.  I'd love seeing JSS and BF take this to the next level.  The talent certainly is there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 08, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
I've been waiting nearly 5 years for FC3 so I am glad that they are FINALLY getting it together and aim for a release this year! The hype is real for this one!

As for SOA2, I haven't really spun the first one very often, but I didn't dislike it, so I think if/when the second one comes out, I'll be more inclined to give their first album more spins before the second one drops.

Also glad to see that Mike was able to bring back TWD for those who enjoy that band. Like with SOA, I didn't dislike them, but I don't listen to that music very often. Maybe they'll record again next year for another EP?

At this rate, he will probably do a tour for FC in the fall, finish SOA2 by year's end for a Winter release, then tour SOA next Winter/Spring, which means he will probably be all booked up through next February/March. That man sure knows how to keep himself busy!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on January 08, 2019, 06:37:43 PM
Never cared much for the Neal Morse stuff but he is coming here the 24th of February. If tickets are cheap I might just go, maybe it'll click with me live.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on January 09, 2019, 05:24:32 AM
Never cared much for the Neal Morse stuff but he is coming here the 24th of February. If tickets are cheap I might just go, maybe it'll click with me live.

Don't miss out on Neal Morse live! It's definitely worth the money.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 09, 2019, 06:50:46 AM
Never cared much for the Neal Morse stuff but he is coming here the 24th of February. If tickets are cheap I might just go, maybe it'll click with me live.

Don't miss out on Neal Morse live! It's definitely worth the money.

You mean The Neal Morse BAND, right? cause those are very different things. They wrote EQUALLY. it’s a BAND effort. You don’t go see Neal alone. I’M GONNA TELL MIKE ABOUT THIS!

(too lazy to use the green font)  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 09, 2019, 07:37:12 AM
Never cared much for the Neal Morse stuff but he is coming here the 24th of February. If tickets are cheap I might just go, maybe it'll click with me live.

I'm loathe to do this, because taste is taste and it's really no one's business what you like or not like.  Having said that, if there's even a glimmer of "like" in there, go, because it's truly a musical extravaganza to see that band.  I was lucky enough to be front row (right in front of Eric) but  even with Mike in the back (who I just love to watch drum) I couldn't take my eyes off Neal.  Keyboards, electric guitar, acoustic guitar, vocals... the guy did it all, and even with the talent that was around him on stage, he really stood out and made an impression on me.   

For what that's worth. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 27, 2019, 11:23:13 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-on-hypothetical-collaboration-with-rushs-geddy-lee-alex-lifeson-i-would-do-it-in-a-heartbeat/

Could you imagine?

They wouldn't do anything under the rush name, but it could be interesting.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 27, 2019, 11:32:07 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-on-hypothetical-collaboration-with-rushs-geddy-lee-alex-lifeson-i-would-do-it-in-a-heartbeat/

Could you imagine?

They wouldn't do anything under the rush name, but it could be interesting.
If it was under a different name and they did new music, then HECK YEAH!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on January 27, 2019, 11:47:00 AM
Mike Portnoy being up for collaborating with other musicians? No way!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
Mike Portnoy being up for collaborating with other musicians? No way!

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 27, 2019, 12:11:08 PM
Is there a rock gig he wouldn't say yes to?  #rhetoricalquestion (for those who feel the need to point out one he wouldn't do :lol)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 27, 2019, 12:35:10 PM
Is there a rock gig he wouldn't say yes to?  #rhetoricalquestion (for those who feel the need to point out one he wouldn't do :lol)
Well he wouldn't do a gig with my band since we pretty much only play for free beer in these parts. :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 27, 2019, 01:05:30 PM
I hate those articles.

They ask about some random thing, the dude obviously says he would say yes to it, then they make a leading headline where people think it's a possibility.

"Mr. Petrucci, if Neil Peart would come out of retirement and want to play on your solo album, would you say yes?"
"Obviously"

Headline: John Petrucci to work with Neil Peart on new solo album?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 27, 2019, 01:40:56 PM



"Mr. Petrucci, if Neil Peart would come out of retirement and want to play on your solo album, would you say yes?"
"Obviously"

Headline: John Petrucci to work with Neil Peart on new solo album?
REALLY?!?!   Right on, this is great!  Hopefully followed by a tour..  :tup :metal :tup :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on January 27, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-on-hypothetical-collaboration-with-rushs-geddy-lee-alex-lifeson-i-would-do-it-in-a-heartbeat/

Could you imagine?

They wouldn't do anything under the rush name, but it could be interesting.

It's such a "nothing" article.  "Hey Mike, if the opportunity presented itself, would you play with Geddy and Alex?"  Ummm...no shit.  As would 95% of drummers who play progressive rock/hard rock/metal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: As I Am on January 27, 2019, 04:36:21 PM
^^^exactly! Too many fools try to ruin this great performer's reputation. Such a shame. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on January 27, 2019, 05:26:16 PM
^^^exactly! Too many fools try to ruin this great performer's reputation. Such a shame. :facepalm:

How does this ruin his reputation? :huh:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 27, 2019, 05:26:52 PM
^^^exactly! Too many fools try to ruin this great performer's reputation. Such a shame. :facepalm:

Huh?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2019, 05:39:14 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-on-hypothetical-collaboration-with-rushs-geddy-lee-alex-lifeson-i-would-do-it-in-a-heartbeat/

Could you imagine?

They wouldn't do anything under the rush name, but it could be interesting.

It's such a "nothing" article.  "Hey Mike, if the opportunity presented itself, would you play with Geddy and Alex?"  Ummm...no shit.  As would 95% of drummers who play progressive rock/hard rock/metal.

This. They only ask Mike because they know he'd say yes to pretty much every new project ever in the rock/prog/metal world :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 27, 2019, 06:00:57 PM
Is there a rock gig he wouldn't say yes to?  #rhetoricalquestion (for those who feel the need to point out one he wouldn't do :lol )


Portnoy - Moore - Tate   :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on January 27, 2019, 06:12:53 PM
I'm not a blabbermouth fan because it's clickbait with their headlines. Ask any musician if they would like to collaborate with one of their heroes and the answer will always be yes.

Besides, Alex Lifeson is doing a project with Marco Minnemann.

https://www.facebook.com/marco.minnemann.77/posts/10156211147698773 (https://www.facebook.com/marco.minnemann.77/posts/10156211147698773)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 27, 2019, 08:58:34 PM
Is there a rock gig he wouldn't say yes to?  #rhetoricalquestion (for those who feel the need to point out one he wouldn't do :lol )


Portnoy - Moore - Tate   :P

Portnoy - Moore - Tate - Mangini :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 28, 2019, 01:02:38 AM
I hate those articles.

They ask about some random thing, the dude obviously says he would say yes to it, then they make a leading headline where people think it's a possibility.

"Mr. Petrucci, if Neil Peart would come out of retirement and want to play on your solo album, would you say yes?"
"Obviously"

Headline: John Petrucci to work with Neil Peart on new solo album?

Spot on.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on January 28, 2019, 01:07:00 PM
I hate those articles.

They ask about some random thing, the dude obviously says he would say yes to it, then they make a leading headline where people think it's a possibility.

"Mr. Petrucci, if Neil Peart would come out of retirement and want to play on your solo album, would you say yes?"
"Obviously"

Headline: John Petrucci to work with Neil Peart on new solo album?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 02, 2019, 12:06:03 PM
I'm not a blabbermouth fan because it's clickbait with their headlines. Ask any musician if they would like to collaborate with one of their heroes and the answer will always be yes.

Besides, Alex Lifeson is doing a project with Marco Minnemann.

https://www.facebook.com/marco.minnemann.77/posts/10156211147698773 (https://www.facebook.com/marco.minnemann.77/posts/10156211147698773)

I'd love an update or two on this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 02, 2019, 06:16:05 PM
Don't know if this is the place or not, but I am burning my CDs/DVDs to hard drive to stream in my house, but I'm on Dream Theater now.  Burned all the CDs, all the Xmas CDs, all the YTsejam CDs, and now working on the DVDs (where the audio is different or additional).

My god are they good, and my god was Mike a beast.   A few observations:

- WOW did he look like Max (or rather, does Max look like him); look at the Live In Tokyo disk;
- WOW could James really belt it out.   I don't want to comment on now, nor start a debate, but back then, he was a machine;
- WOW did they seem grounded; I'm listening to the commentary (for dates and locations of the live stuff) and they just seem to be so friendly and comfortable and happy and collaborative and... 

All the reasons I was really into DT and loved them as something more than just an "average" band, but as something special. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: As I Am on February 02, 2019, 10:10:36 PM
Don't know if this is the place or not, but I am burning my CDs/DVDs to hard drive to stream in my house, but I'm on Dream Theater now.  Burned all the CDs, all the Xmas CDs, all the YTsejam CDs, and now working on the DVDs (where the audio is different or additional).

My god are they good, and my god was Mike a beast.   A few observations:

- WOW did he look like Max (or rather, does Max look like him); look at the Live In Tokyo disk;
- WOW could James really belt it out.   I don't want to comment on now, nor start a debate, but back then, he was a machine;
- WOW did they seem grounded; I'm listening to the commentary (for dates and locations of the live stuff) and they just seem to be so friendly and comfortable and happy and collaborative and... 

All the reasons I was really into DT and loved them as something more than just an "average" band, but as something special.

+1 :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 03, 2019, 11:23:56 AM
- WOW could James really belt it out.   I don't want to comment on now, nor start a debate, but back then, he was a machine;

A machine maybe, but too many times it seems like he is screaming/wailing for the sake of being loud and screechy instead of singing melodically.

- WOW did they seem grounded; I'm listening to the commentary (for dates and locations of the live stuff) and they just seem to be so friendly and comfortable and happy and collaborative and... 

I must've watched the Tokyo/Livetime and Scenes DVDs listening to the commentary tracks more than I did listening to the actual audio. That definitely changed my view of them from "Hey I really like this band's music" to "These guys seem really cool, I should invest more time in to them (bootlegs, concerts, etc....)"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
I think we figured these two would meet up if they were on a boat together

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51400273_10161539184715078_3451734627314565120_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=5fb5f3f0769243f97087638993d117a8&oe=5CFE1D9D)

Quote
Absolutely awesome evening watching my friend Jordan Rudess play a wonderful solo concert and then having a great dinner together afterwards! #oncefamilyalwaysfamily #cruisetotheedge — with Jordan Rudes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 06, 2019, 08:25:48 AM
Jordan too reposted that photo.

Obviously, comments like "LTE3!!!!111" and "OMG PLZ COME BACK TOGETHER PLZZZ" abound. Geez, just leave these guys alone and let them enjoy their friendship without harassing them, it's not that any kind of future collaboration would depend on posts from fans.... "We didn't really want to do another LTE album but when a dude begging us to come back gets 50K likes on FB what can you do......"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2019, 08:45:04 AM
Jordan too reposted that photo.

Obviously, comments like "LTE3!!!!111" and "OMG PLZ COME BACK TOGETHER PLZZZ" abound. Geez, just leave these guys alone and let them enjoy their friendship without harassing them, it's not that any kind of future collaboration would depend on posts from fans.... "We didn't really want to do another LTE album but when a dude begging us to come back gets 50K likes on FB what can you do......"

Once you put that out there on social media, which it sounds like both Portnoy and Rudess did, you are basically inviting those kinds of comments from fans.  It's just the way it is on social media in 2019.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 06, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.

Boom. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2019, 09:08:33 AM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.

That goes without saying.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 06, 2019, 09:11:09 AM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.

Boom.

Sounds like Stadler is supporting social bullying. Hmmm.  :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on February 06, 2019, 09:57:18 AM
I think MP is doing an "MP & Friends" set at the cruise and it's pretty safe to say Jordan will probably play one or two songs with him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2019, 10:13:41 AM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.

Boom.

Sounds like Stadler is supporting social bullying. Hmmm.  :P

Not at all; just the opposite.  BUT, while I object to social media in general - I'd scrap the whole shooting match myself; I have a huge problem with this notion that "because I have an opinion, it's therefore worthy of the entire world being subjected to it" in the first place - I'm clearly in the minority and the world seems to have embraced it as a means of creating division and expressing power/leverage.  In THAT context, what's good for the goose... 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on February 06, 2019, 10:16:46 AM
Why would anyone on this planet want an LTE3? You know it’s not going to have the same vibe as before and feel completely out of place with their prior albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on February 06, 2019, 10:52:17 AM
I'm just happy they hung out and enjoyed a meal together.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on February 06, 2019, 11:38:27 AM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.

Boom.

Sounds like Stadler is supporting social bullying. Hmmm.  :P

I, Stadler Stadlerson, fully endorse bullying on social media.

Gotcha.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2019, 12:23:36 PM
Well, sure.  But those fans who post that way on social media are likewise inviting others to post about how dumb they are.

Boom.

Sounds like Stadler is supporting social bullying. Hmmm.  :P

I, Stadler Stadlerson, fully endorse bullying on social media.

Gotcha.

That's hateful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 06, 2019, 04:06:42 PM
I think MP is doing an "MP & Friends" set at the cruise and it's pretty safe to say Jordan will probably play one or two songs with him.

Ehhhh, I'm not saying it won't happen but I bet that would invite even more OMG LTEDTPLZZZZ posts. Even though playing together again would be cool, business-wise it's not the best idea. DT is still a business after all.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on February 07, 2019, 02:39:42 AM
Why would anyone on this planet want an LTE3? You know it’s not going to have the same vibe as before and feel completely out of place with their prior albums.

You sound like you already received your promo copy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on February 07, 2019, 05:35:42 AM
I think MP is doing an "MP & Friends" set at the cruise and it's pretty safe to say Jordan will probably play one or two songs with him.

Ehhhh, I'm not saying it won't happen but I bet that would invite even more OMG LTEDTPLZZZZ posts. Even though playing together again would be cool, business-wise it's not the best idea. DT is still a business after all.

Oh, definitely, but they’ll still post that either way. All these LTE 3 posts are completely unnecesary, but at least they’re better than “OMG COME BACK TO DT, MANGINI SUCKS, NO SOUL IN DT NOW LOLZ #TEAMMIKE #MPWARRIORS”.

I wish Jordan doesn’t do it (guest at MP’s show), but all I said is that it is very likely to happen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 07, 2019, 08:08:19 AM
I think this is worth posting in light of the current discussion:
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-and-jordan-rudess-hang-out-and-chat-on-cruise-to-the-edge-once-family-always-family/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on February 07, 2019, 08:32:24 AM
Quote
"People will say, 'Oh my God! DREAM THEATER is gonna have Portnoy back in the band.' That's not what it's about," Rudess added. "This is about people and people who spent a lot of time together being able to be close together and be friends."

So simple, and yet so difficult to understand for many  :D

Quote
Rudess acknowledged that some of his other DREAM THEATER bandmates have "their own feelings" about maintaining a connection with their former drummer. "But Mike and I enjoyed hanging out and chatting about old times and all the stuff," he said. "So it was really cool."

I wonder who he's referring to............  ::)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2019, 08:38:42 AM
I think he's referring to all of them.  They each have a different connection with Mike, and different ways and different degrees of maintaining that connection.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2019, 08:58:43 AM
I think it is unfair to say that Portnoy and the band engaged in a public war of words.  Aside from JLB saying a few things in an interview (that were nothing compared to what was coming from the other side), what did the band ever say that could be construed as a "war of words"?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2019, 09:25:41 AM
I think it is unfair to say that Portnoy and the band engaged in a public war of words.  Aside from JLB saying a few things in an interview (that were nothing compared to what was coming from the other side), what did the band ever say that could be construed as a "war of words"?

I personally feel like James absolutely gave as good as he got over the years, and made clear his position on the transition, but that's neither here, nor there.

Having said that, though, I think we have a series of photos and statements that have established a connection between Jordan and John Petrucci and Mike, and we have various oblique (and not so oblique) statements over the years that show very little connection (if any) between John Myung and James and Mike. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on February 07, 2019, 09:40:12 AM
I think it is unfair to say that Portnoy and the band engaged in a public war of words.  Aside from JLB saying a few things in an interview (that were nothing compared to what was coming from the other side), what did the band ever say that could be construed as a "war of words"?

...and this was only after James was asked in an interview and he answered honestly and inoffensively. Mike was the one that actually did go out of his way to comment about things on his message board and facebook etc. Hell he even commented on Charlie Dominici's facebook about the rest of the DT guys not knowing that the logo has changed over the years. Backhanded stuff all over.

Mike has finally toned it down (after many false starts) and things have been much better. In fact, James has actually said a lot of nice things about Mike's time in the band since then. Not really vice versa but whatever.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2019, 10:50:54 AM
Time heals wounds, it's just nice go see these guys be friendly again. Maybe JLB and JM can also restore their friendship with MP over more time.  JR really said some good stuff about just being humans and having experiences together. That's good stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on February 07, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
I don’t really see how this is good, though. Call me pessimist or whatever, but I just don’t like this. Mike and Jordan hanging out is great, they’re good friends after all, but I don’t like that Mike never EVER admits he’s been wrong about something. As Kev said, this was never a “war of words”, it was Mike saying whatever he wanted and DT being a class act and never saying anything about it, at least not publicly. I feel like these situations only help reinforce Mike’s idea that he can say whatever the hell he wants and that it’s fine because he’s good friends with a couple of the guys, indirectly shifting the blame to the others who aren’t in really good terms with him. I’d love to see him apologizing for once.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: As I Am on February 07, 2019, 03:33:52 PM
I don’t really see how this is good, though. Call me pessimist or whatever, but I just don’t like this. Mike and Jordan hanging out is great, they’re good friends after all, but I don’t like that Mike never EVER admits he’s been wrong about something. As Kev said, this was never a “war of words”, it was Mike saying whatever he wanted and DT being a class act and never saying anything about it, at least not publicly. I feel like these situations only help reinforce Mike’s idea that he can say whatever the hell he wants and that it’s fine because he’s good friends with a couple of the guys, indirectly shifting the blame to the others who aren’t in really good terms with him. I’d love to see him apologizing for once.
The ONLY thing MP "might" have to apologize to DT is for quitting the band. It was obviously hard on them and I could completely understand. Aside from that, he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to "apologize" for. He made a personal decision for himself and in hindsight, I for one, think he absolutely made the right decision.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on February 07, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
Couple of quick notes. During his show Jordan specifically mentioned when the time is right LTE 3 is something the guys would like to do.

I know at least two of the surprises during the MP set and am very happy with them. Hopefully good video will be taken, and I'm fairly confident it will.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
I don’t really see how this is good, though. Call me pessimist or whatever, but I just don’t like this. Mike and Jordan hanging out is great, they’re good friends after all, but I don’t like that Mike never EVER admits he’s been wrong about something. As Kev said, this was never a “war of words”, it was Mike saying whatever he wanted and DT being a class act and never saying anything about it, at least not publicly. I feel like these situations only help reinforce Mike’s idea that he can say whatever the hell he wants and that it’s fine because he’s good friends with a couple of the guys, indirectly shifting the blame to the others who aren’t in really good terms with him. I’d love to see him apologizing for once.
The ONLY thing MP "might" have to apologize to DT is for quitting the band. It was obviously hard on them and I could completely understand. Aside from that, he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to "apologize" for. He made a personal decision for himself and in hindsight, I for one, think he absolutely made the right decision.

this is a classic type of response from the crowd that likes to enable his bad behavior.  But there are many that choose not to overlook the things he has said and done since.  And they don't have to turn a blind eye to it if they don't want to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on February 07, 2019, 03:43:50 PM
I don’t really see how this is good, though. Call me pessimist or whatever, but I just don’t like this. Mike and Jordan hanging out is great, they’re good friends after all, but I don’t like that Mike never EVER admits he’s been wrong about something. As Kev said, this was never a “war of words”, it was Mike saying whatever he wanted and DT being a class act and never saying anything about it, at least not publicly. I feel like these situations only help reinforce Mike’s idea that he can say whatever the hell he wants and that it’s fine because he’s good friends with a couple of the guys, indirectly shifting the blame to the others who aren’t in really good terms with him. I’d love to see him apologizing for once.
The ONLY thing MP "might" have to apologize to DT is for quitting the band. It was obviously hard on them and I could completely understand. Aside from that, he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to "apologize" for. He made a personal decision for himself and in hindsight, I for one, think he absolutely made the right decision.

So nobody has to apologise for talking a lot of crap, out of nowhere, of their supposed "friends"? Unless your weren't around for the last 8 years, I'd say you're completely blind to the truth.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on February 07, 2019, 03:49:38 PM
I don’t really see how this is good, though. Call me pessimist or whatever, but I just don’t like this. Mike and Jordan hanging out is great, they’re good friends after all, but I don’t like that Mike never EVER admits he’s been wrong about something. As Kev said, this was never a “war of words”, it was Mike saying whatever he wanted and DT being a class act and never saying anything about it, at least not publicly. I feel like these situations only help reinforce Mike’s idea that he can say whatever the hell he wants and that it’s fine because he’s good friends with a couple of the guys, indirectly shifting the blame to the others who aren’t in really good terms with him. I’d love to see him apologizing for once.
The ONLY thing MP "might" have to apologize to DT is for quitting the band. It was obviously hard on them and I could completely understand. Aside from that, he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to "apologize" for. He made a personal decision for himself and in hindsight, I for one, think he absolutely made the right decision.

this is a classic type of response from the crowd that likes to enable his bad behavior.  But there are many that choose not to overlook the things he has said and done since.  And they don't have to turn a blind eye to it if they don't want to.

I mostly agree with this.  I absolutely agree with As I Am that he made a personal decision for himself - and if he's happy with it, then it was certainly the right decision.  I don't think he needs to apologize to the fans for leaving DT, and he probably doesn't need to apologize to the band either - he probably did when it happened, but even if he didn't, they seemed to be on good terms at the immediate time of the split.  I think what he should apologize for is what came next - his bad behavior as Bosk says.  It would help rebuild some of the goodwill that he lost (among some fans, not all), and that certainly couldn't hurt. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2019, 03:56:21 PM
Whether he has anything to apologize to the band for about his leaving, I cannot comment on.  We don't know how much that put them in a bind, timing wise and otherwise.  We just don't know.  But, yes, I was referring to his conduct afterward, and only his public conduct at that.  We don't know anything about what was said or done privately.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2019, 03:58:17 PM
People always need to inject their feelings in a band that they love instead of looking forward.   Who cares.  I like Mike's music and I like DT. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on February 07, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
But, yes, I was referring to his conduct afterward, and only his public conduct at that.  We don't know anything about what was said or done privately.

And this is exactly what I was saying. Never in all these years any of the DT members has spoken negatively of Mike in any way (again, publicly) and that incident with James' comments was taken out of context, he later clarified what he meant. Mike, instead, has said a lot of negative things in social media about them. I just don't think he deserves a free pass only because he's friends with Jordan and John again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
If you haven't figured it out, Mike speaks without thinking about it first.

If the band members have gotten over it, so should you.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2019, 04:26:48 PM
People always need to inject their feelings in a band that they love instead of looking forward.   Who cares.  I like Mike's music and I like DT. 

Exactly.

If you haven't figured it out, Mike speaks without thinking about it first.

If the band members have gotten over it, so should you.

Pretty sure he is over it.  He was just calling out the ridiculousness of As I Am's post.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2019, 04:56:14 PM
Sorry.  Generally speaking to all that complain.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on February 07, 2019, 05:28:12 PM
I actually disagree with that - "if the band has gotten over it, so should you."  (They don't all seem to have anyway).  Mike's actions have left a bad taste in my mouth, and regardless of his relationship with DT, that taste is still there.  I'm not going to flood his social media with negativity, or call him names and stuff here.  But at the same time, I've become almost completely uninterested in his musical offerings.  Maybe I "shouldn't," but that's the way it goes.  Whereas if he hadn't engaged in all of that, I would put it more of an effort.  For example - I didn't like Adrenaline Mob, but I went to the show anyway to support him.  There'd been some shenanigans, but I tried to ignore them and make excuses for why he might be behaving that way.  By the time SoA came along and I didn't like it - that goodwill was long gone; I had no desire to go to a show to support him for a band I didn't like, and my interest in something I do like such as Flying Colors as faded.  Were he to put out an apology, then maybe that would change.  Maybe I'd try harder to keep up with all of his projects.  As it stands now - maybe as more time passes and he doesn't engage in the bad public behavior at all, I'll come around.  Or maybe I won't care about his behavioral anymore but also won't be paying him any attention at all.  He won't care about what one fan does or doesn't do, but I know I'm not the only one and I also know that with the state of the music industry and there being so much out there competing for people's time and money - it might make a small difference.  It certainly wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2019, 05:37:13 PM
I will say that since the SOA initial release, MP has actually been pretty solid.  I can't recall anything he's really said in the last year that turned me off, if anything, he's done a few things that make me appreciate him a bit more.  Not saying that makes all the negative things go away, but it does make me think that maybe, just maybe, MP does recognize that saying certain things does hurt his image and his brand.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 07, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
Idk, I guess I can separate the way he acts to the music he puts out. Mike leaves his heart on his sleeve even though it's always been a bad thing. It's 8 years later. I think it's time for all of us to move on.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on February 07, 2019, 11:31:48 PM
Idk, I guess I can separate the way he acts to the music he puts out. Mike leaves his heart on his sleeve even though it's always been a bad thing. It's 8 years later. I think it's time for all of us to move on.

Yup. For me, it's so crushingly tedious; the same people making the same points ad infinitum in every thread related to Mike Portnoy, whether 'for' or 'against' (I use the single quote marks deliberately).

I dunno, there's been so much (close) death in my world so far in 2019, it's just encouraged me to take stock. Life is too short to have these never ending circular discussions. No-one in this forum is going to change anyone else's opinion, and all it does is lead to bad blood.

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programme :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
But, yes, I was referring to his conduct afterward, and only his public conduct at that.  We don't know anything about what was said or done privately.

And this is exactly what I was saying. Never in all these years any of the DT members has spoken negatively of Mike in any way (again, publicly) and that incident with James' comments was taken out of context, he later clarified what he meant. Mike, instead, has said a lot of negative things in social media about them. I just don't think he deserves a free pass only because he's friends with Jordan and John again.

I don't believe you and Bosk ARE saying the same thing.   You're apologizing for James' comments and castigating Mike for his.   You haven't even HINTED at what might, or might not, have been said behind the scenes (as Bosk did).   FACT IS: Petrucci rarely if ever took any shots at Mike, and vice versa.    LaBrie - whether he walked them back or not isn't relevant - did, as did Mike in return.    Rudess NEVER (to my knowledge) took any shots at Mike, and vice versa (to my knowledge).  I think the Myung/Portnoy relationship has only been hinted at, but the only shot I know of was perceived and a matter of personal interpretation (the "list" of favorite bass players that didn't include Myung).  There IS a fundamental difference here that very few people have ever acknowledged:  there is an entity  - "Dream Theater" - that is the collective mindset of several men (including non-band members) that Mike also took shots at.  To say that any one individual in that band are therefore "classy" or "above the fray" because they didn't counter with a personal shot against Mike isn't really apples to apples.   

The other thing I will say is that the role of "extracurricular" has to go both ways.  I don't really care about the personal stuff; I don't spend a lot of time wishing for what could be.  Mike's out, so be it, that's the world we live in. But I've been pretty vocal that it's NOT the same Dream Theater.  I was watching some of the DVDs (the commentaries) and it was so nostalgic for me; talking about the fan club shows, the acoustic stuff, debating medleys, talking setlists, talking venues, counting off the cover shows done (and hinting at future ones), talking about "getting footage out there in some form or fashion (i.e. Yste Jam Records).  It was magical.  I don't feel that anymore.  If you're going to take the position that Mike's behavior is enough to turn you off to his music and "sour" you to the man, then I think it's only fair to acknowledge that for some, it's NOT the same band and won't (likely) be, regardless of how many free downloads there are or how many NSA ciphers are used to announce the new album.    That doesn't necessarily mean that those people are sitting there, praying the Rosary for Mike to rejoin (even if he did, it won't ever be the same, IMO).   Time passes, time moves on, and things change.   There are 20, 30, maybe more bands that I'm just not as into now as much as I was at some point in the past.   It's life. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 02:51:51 PM
Stadler, unless I'm forgetting something, I think you're dead wrong about James taking shots at Mike.  I don't remember any such thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: As I Am on February 08, 2019, 03:23:41 PM
Stadler, unless I'm forgetting something, I think you're dead wrong about James taking shots at Mike.  I don't remember any such thing.

Ugh, how about the "we don't miss him at all" shot, and "we're all happy" knock? This forum is SO ONE SIDED! :loser:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 03:30:04 PM
I don't think you understand what a "shot" is then.  If you don't know what words mean, then I suggest not commenting.

And the next time you refer to this forum as losers, I will take that as your indication that you don't want to be part of this community, and I will help make sure that happens.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 08, 2019, 03:30:50 PM
Not sure if kidding, but some of that is just good PR. No band member is going to come out and say "Yeah, we miss the guy who quit the band, we're terribly sad about it, we don't know how we can carry on. But please buy our latest album!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on February 08, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
Stadler, unless I'm forgetting something, I think you're dead wrong about James taking shots at Mike.  I don't remember any such thing.

What I remember was an interview in which James said he was "not sad at all" about MP's departure and that the band was excited about the next chapter.  He got a lot of heat about that (in no small part because it was reported out of context), and I believe that generated some sort of snarky comment from MP.  That's hardly "taking shots at Mike," but I think some folks construed it that way.

I think there a few other comments that some folks intentionally construed in a way that they came across like "taking shots."  For example, I seem to recall a comment about how the atmosphere in the studio -- and particularly with respect to recording vocals -- was different and James liked that.  That was construed (in my opinion deliberately misconstrued) as being the equivalent of "MP was a little Hitler in the studio."

At some point, MP made a statement to the effect that he'd rejoin DT in a heartbeat.  Someone then asked James about that, and he shot it down -- not because he didn't like MP or think he was a good drummer, but simply because MM was now the band's drummer.  Again, some folks misconstrued this as a "shot" at MP, even thought it wasn't.

So, yeah, I don't recall James ever truly taking a "shot" at MP.  All of the "shots" I recall originated from MP.  They were plentiful and, generally, went without retort from DT or any member.


Stadler, unless I'm forgetting something, I think you're dead wrong about James taking shots at Mike.  I don't remember any such thing.

Ugh, how about the "we don't miss him at all" shot, and "we're all happy" knock? This forum is SO ONE SIDED! :loser:

When did anyone say, "we don't miss him at all"?  Sounds a little bit like the "I'm not sad at all" interview, which you can read here (along with some subsequent clarification from JLB):  http://bravewords.com/news/dream-theater-vocalist-james-labrie-responds-to-accusations-of-being-insensitive-regarding-drummer-mike-portnoys-departure

Having he exact words of that interview, how is it that you think it's a "shot" at MP?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on February 08, 2019, 03:57:08 PM
I think there a few other comments that some folks intentionally construed in a way that they came across like "taking shots."  For example, I seem to recall a comment about how the atmosphere in the studio -- and particularly with respect to recording vocals -- was different and James liked that.  That was construed (in my opinion deliberately misconstrued) as being the equivalent of "MP was a little Hitler in the studio."
If the tables were turned and MP said "it was a little different in the studio, particularly with the vocals, and it was really cool," it would be characterized as a shot of Ivy Mike proportions. To be clear, I'm not calling what JLB did a shot. Just pointing out that there are very different, very subjective standards at work when discussing this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
I think there a few other comments that some folks intentionally construed in a way that they came across like "taking shots."  For example, I seem to recall a comment about how the atmosphere in the studio -- and particularly with respect to recording vocals -- was different and James liked that.  That was construed (in my opinion deliberately misconstrued) as being the equivalent of "MP was a little Hitler in the studio."
If the tables were turned and MP said "it was a little different in the studio, particularly with the vocals, and it was really cool," it would be characterized as a shot of Ivy Mike proportions. To be clear, I'm not calling what JLB did a shot. Just pointing out that there are very different, very subjective standards at work when discussing this.

There shouldn't be different standards.  And, for the record, I've taken a LOT of heat here for vociferously defending Mike for making comments that are pretty much the equivalent of the hypothetical you posted, and which several people want to call him out for.  And I will continue to do so.

But to be fair to the side that DO criticize him for stuff like that, there is an important distinction.  James has NEVER publicly said anything disparaging about Mike.  Mike HAS several times made openly disparaging comments about James and/or DT.  So when a comment from either side is vague, I don't think it is unfair to give the one side that has never made disparaging comments, and be much less willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the side that has.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2019, 04:15:41 PM
I also think we have to take it in context.   Mike was hard on James and his vocals and openly talked about James style not fitting to where he wanted DT musically to go.

I can see James having a hair across his ass 8 years ago.  Not so much now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 04:17:09 PM
I can see James having a hair across his ass

Can you stop speaking King for a second and translate that into English?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2019, 04:23:17 PM
You've never heard that phrase? I'm shocked?! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on February 08, 2019, 04:30:41 PM
I never heard of that phrase before and I think I have a good idea what that means.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on February 08, 2019, 04:31:50 PM
I've heard it as having a wild hair up one's ass...

Mike was hard on James and his vocals and openly talked about James style not fitting to where he wanted DT musically to go.

This was really the only thing that irked me. I feel it totally reasonable to address a fellow bandmate's performance if it appears they are not working hard enough, committed enough, practicing enough, or taking care of their instrument (in James case, his voice). But to hire someone based on their style, and then be critical of them if you feel their style doesn't fit your vision any longer is pretty unfair.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on February 08, 2019, 04:37:39 PM
Stadler - I know we've talked about this before but I just gotta say - you're wrong about that incident; the "talking a shot and walking it back later" thing.  He didn't walk it back because there was nothing to walk back.  I'm pretty sure you acknowledged that you never listened to that interview.  If you had, you probably wouldn't be saying that.  I did listen to it - pretty much right away and nothing it it at all made me me think that James was taking a shot at Mike or even being slightly disrespectful to him.  You had to hear it in context.  When Blabbermouth posted the headline they did and people started talking about it and MP made a big thing about it - the interviewer posted on Mike's forum to say pretty much exactly what I just said - everyone was very respectful of MP and you have to listen to the actual interview.  If you want me to try to find a link and see if the interview is still out there I can, because I really don't think you'd be saying what you do about James taking a shot and walking it back if you had heard it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: As I Am on February 08, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
I don't think you understand what a "shot" is then.  If you don't know what words mean, then I suggest not commenting.

And the next time you refer to this forum as losers, I will take that as your indication that you don't want to be part of this community, and I will help make sure that happens.

BRING IT! :loser:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2019, 06:07:02 PM
Are you stupid? See you later pal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2019, 06:08:07 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on February 08, 2019, 06:33:00 PM
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51919725_2768830779801213_7987372936891727872_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=a931b356b48ac78d6c231d36b3635bc5&oe=5CECB592)

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What a night!!!! My very special MP & Friends Set aboard Cruise To The Edge was such a blast!! The set was 1/3 Flying Colors, 1/3 Transatlantic and 1/3 Dream Theater/LTE...here’s a shot backstage before the show began! LOTS more pics and videos to come...

Mike just posted this on Facebook about 28 minutes ago. AMAZING picture, loads of talent right there!!! Can't wait to see what they played! Looks like he had all members of Flying Colors and the Neal Morse Band with him, as well as 4/5ths of the last touring version of Transatlantic (with Ted present, but not Pete), and who I assume to be the bassist from Haken in the back (not good with their names or faces), probably playing the DT/LTE set with Eric and Jordan (though I wonder who sang, if they played any songs with lyrics that is).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 08, 2019, 06:50:23 PM
From the picture above:

Eric Gillette, Dave LaRue, Jordan Rudess, Ted Leonard, Bill Hubauer, Conner Green, Casey McPherson, Steve Morse, Randy George, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, y el loco eco loco Mike Portnoy
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2019, 06:52:52 PM
That is an awful lot of talent in one picture. :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 08, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
The Prog Report said over FB that the instrumedley was recorded and they will share the video “soon”
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 08, 2019, 07:35:44 PM
Boy, Nick will have  lot to report from this cruise.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DT2003 on February 08, 2019, 08:17:14 PM
Had a feeling that Jordan was going to be part of the MP & friends set. With Mike playing with Jordan again and hanging out with JP recently, I still have hope for a future LTE reunion and hopefully new album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DT2003 on February 08, 2019, 09:10:15 PM
Stadler, unless I'm forgetting something, I think you're dead wrong about James taking shots at Mike.  I don't remember any such thing.

Ugh, how about the "we don't miss him at all" shot, and "we're all happy" knock? This forum is SO ONE SIDED! :loser:
I don’t think that was a shot at all. Mike leaving DT was a huge deal and the band had to let fans know they were excited about the future of the band without Mike and I think that’s what James was doing. There was one comment I recall James saying after MM joined the band that might be taken as a shot how it was nice having a drummer who wasn’t trying to be the front man, but I think that was in retaliation to a lot of nasty things Mike was saying about him at the time so I kind of give James a pass for that one.

From everything I’ve seen though, DT have been very professional since Mike left whereas Mike has definitely let his emotions get the best of him at times.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 08, 2019, 09:24:37 PM
Why would anyone on this planet want an LTE3? You know it’s not going to have the same vibe as before and feel completely out of place with their prior albums.

I'd love one, but it's unlikely at best.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 08, 2019, 09:29:32 PM
From the picture above:

Eric Gillette, Dave LaRue, Jordan Rudess, Ted Leonard, Bill Hubauer, Conner Green, Casey McPherson, Steve Morse, Randy George, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, y el loco eco loco Mike Portnoy
Neal Morse grew a beard?  Good grief!    😧
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 08, 2019, 09:37:07 PM
From the picture above:

Eric Gillette, Dave LaRue, Jordan Rudess, Ted Leonard, Bill Hubauer, Conner Green, Casey McPherson, Steve Morse, Randy George, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, y el loco eco loco Mike Portnoy
Neal Morse grew a beard?  Good grief!    😧

Was just about to say that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on February 08, 2019, 09:54:37 PM
From the picture above:

Eric Gillette, Dave LaRue, Jordan Rudess, Ted Leonard, Bill Hubauer, Conner Green, Casey McPherson, Steve Morse, Randy George, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, y el loco eco loco Mike Portnoy
Neal Morse grew a beard?  Good grief!    😧

Was just about to say that.

The word out there is that they're changing the Neal Morse Band name to Neal's Beard after this tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2019, 10:07:26 PM
That's an awesome picture but each time I look at it, I think MP is in a wheelchair  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on February 08, 2019, 10:17:44 PM
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What a night!!!! My very special MP & Friends Set aboard Cruise To The Edge was such a blast!! The set was 1/3 Flying Colors, 1/3 Transatlantic and 1/3 Dream Theater/LTE...here’s a shot backstage before the show began! LOTS more pics and videos to come...

Hasn't Mike said that "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" would be the last chance to see him playing DT's music?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on February 08, 2019, 10:18:42 PM
Neal's Beard  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on February 08, 2019, 10:56:25 PM
Here's a fun game - create a NEW band using 4 or 5 of the guys in the picture above, but you cannot have Neal & Mike together (cuz let's face it, they've already done that). So, if you need a drummer, Eric works, as does Neal (he CAN play drums, after all).

Was just thinking of this fun "game" as I noticed that many of them are multi-instrumentalists and/or vocalists, like Eric, Neal, Roine, Ted, Bill, and Casey. You could create dozens of super-groups of these guys, but what kind of combinations would you want to see?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Eric on drums, Roine on guitar, Connor on bass, Bill on keys, and Ted on vocals. That'd be a fun mashup of talents!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on February 08, 2019, 11:03:05 PM
What a lovely picture that is. Didn't recognise Neal Morse.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DT2003 on February 09, 2019, 01:01:13 AM
From the picture above:

Eric Gillette, Dave LaRue, Jordan Rudess, Ted Leonard, Bill Hubauer, Conner Green, Casey McPherson, Steve Morse, Randy George, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, y el loco eco loco Mike Portnoy
Neal Morse grew a beard?  Good grief!    😧
I actually think the beard suits him well. Maybe I’m biased as I am sporting my winter beard, but I think Neal looks good.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 09, 2019, 04:52:23 AM
I think Neal looks cooler as the clean cut front man.  I hope that this is just a one time 'hey, I'm going on a cruise thing'  and then shaves it off for the tour afterwards..  After all, he does have an image to uphold.. 
Neal with a beard, looks weird!  :lol :facepalm:
 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on February 09, 2019, 05:03:45 AM
What a photo.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on February 09, 2019, 05:07:33 AM
"let's grow a vanity beard, yeah yeah yeah yah" 🎶
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2019, 07:24:49 AM
Flying Colors was full band doing Blue Ocean, Place in My World, Fool in My Heart, and Mask Machine. Casey told me new album by end of summer and band announced they are doing a full performance next cruise.

TA was with Randy George on bass and both Leonard and Bill as extras doing Suite Charlotte Pike medley.

Mike, Jordan, Conner, and Eric did instrumedley from Budokan.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2019, 07:28:15 AM
Mike, Jordan, Conner, and Eric did instrumedley from Budokan.

Cool. Who is Connor?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on February 09, 2019, 07:28:43 AM
I've just become aware of the sheer magnitude of that event. The line up is insane and there was just so much amazing music.  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on February 09, 2019, 07:30:45 AM
Mike, Jordan, Conner, and Eric did instrumedley from Budokan.

Cool. Who is Connor?

Haken bassist. Cool dude
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2019, 07:43:03 AM
Thank you.

Is that the big fat guy on in the picture above on the far right? I don't know who that is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on February 09, 2019, 07:44:59 AM
Thank you.

Is that the big fat guy on in the picture above on the far right? I don't know who that is.

The fail you're displaying in this thread is nothing short of Nick-worthy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on February 09, 2019, 07:46:16 AM
Thank you.

Is that the big fat guy on in the picture above on the far right? I don't know who that is.

That's Randy George, Connor is the bearded dude behind Roine to the right.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2019, 07:49:51 AM
Thank you.

Is that the big fat guy on in the picture above on the far right? I don't know who that is.

The fail your displaying in this thread is nothing short of Nick-worthy.

I know Dream Theater. I know who Neal and Steve Morse are. I know who Dave Larue is. 

I could not name a single guy in that picture. It's not my kind of music. Flying Colors blows. Transatlantic is not my thing, and Haken..puleeze.  ;D
Seriously, I don't follow any of those bands so I don't know the players.


That's Randy George, Connor is the bearded dude behind Roine to the right.

Thanks, but who is Roine? j/k  I mean I don't know which one he is, but..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 09, 2019, 07:51:37 AM
Good music is not my kind of music. 

Oh, we know. :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on February 09, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
Good music is not my kind of music. 

Oh, we know. :P


 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on February 09, 2019, 09:10:01 AM
Flying Colors was full band doing Blue Ocean, Place in My World, Fool in My Heart, and Mask Machine. Casey told me new album by end of summer and band announced they are doing a full performance next cruise.

TA was with Randy George on bass and both Leonard and Bill as extras doing Suite Charlotte Pike medley.

Mike, Jordan, Conner, and Eric did instrumedley from Budokan.
Really cool they played the instrumedley! The TA set also included an Abbey Road medley?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2019, 09:41:09 AM
The instrumedley?  Damn, that seems like an odd choice but really cool.  I totally wouldn't expect that to be pulled out.  I'm sure it was well done too, those guys are all beasts at their instruments.

Looks like Cruise to the Edge had a good amount of rare performances which makes me pretty jelly
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 09, 2019, 12:48:28 PM
Watch the performance of the Dream Theater "Instrumedley" with Mike Portnoy 🤘, Jordan Rudess , Eric Gillette, and Conner Green on Cruise to the Edge
https://progreport.com/mike-portnoy-performs-show-on-cruise-to-the-edge-with-jordan-rudess-flying-colors-and-transatlantic/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 09, 2019, 12:58:11 PM
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What a night!!!! My very special MP & Friends Set aboard Cruise To The Edge was such a blast!! The set was 1/3 Flying Colors, 1/3 Transatlantic and 1/3 Dream Theater/LTE...here’s a shot backstage before the show began! LOTS more pics and videos to come...

Hasn't Mike said that "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" would be the last chance to see him playing DT's music?

I don't have the quote handy, but I think the context of that was that it would be the only opportunity to see him do a full show of DT material, particularly that specific DT material. I don't think he was saying he will never play any DT songs again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: chrisgazpacho on February 09, 2019, 01:01:02 PM
Why would anyone on this planet want an LTE3? You know it’s not going to have the same vibe as before and feel completely out of place with their prior albums.

I'd love one, but it's unlikely at best.

Mike all but confirms they’ve talked about it and all want to do it.
https://youtu.be/9OGlESzZQnE  7:00 mark.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: chrisgazpacho on February 09, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
Watch the performance of the Dream Theater "Instrumedley" with Mike Portnoy 🤘, Jordan Rudess , Eric Gillette, and Conner Green on Cruise to the Edge
https://progreport.com/mike-portnoy-performs-show-on-cruise-to-the-edge-with-jordan-rudess-flying-colors-and-transatlantic/

Coolest DT related thing I’ve seen a long time.  So awesome to see them on stage together again. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2019, 01:54:38 PM
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What a night!!!! My very special MP & Friends Set aboard Cruise To The Edge was such a blast!! The set was 1/3 Flying Colors, 1/3 Transatlantic and 1/3 Dream Theater/LTE...here’s a shot backstage before the show began! LOTS more pics and videos to come...

Hasn't Mike said that "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" would be the last chance to see him playing DT's music?

I don't have the quote handy, but I think the context of that was that it would be the only opportunity to see him do a full show of DT material, particularly that specific DT material. I don't think he was saying he will never play any DT songs again.

Yea I think that was it, especially since he then toured with SOA playing a couple DT songs. 

Watch the performance of the Dream Theater "Instrumedley" with Mike Portnoy 🤘, Jordan Rudess , Eric Gillette, and Conner Green on Cruise to the Edge
https://progreport.com/mike-portnoy-performs-show-on-cruise-to-the-edge-with-jordan-rudess-flying-colors-and-transatlantic/

Very cool  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on February 09, 2019, 01:57:15 PM
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What a night!!!! My very special MP & Friends Set aboard Cruise To The Edge was such a blast!! The set was 1/3 Flying Colors, 1/3 Transatlantic and 1/3 Dream Theater/LTE...here’s a shot backstage before the show began! LOTS more pics and videos to come...

Hasn't Mike said that "Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress" would be the last chance to see him playing DT's music?

I don't have the quote handy, but I think the context of that was that it would be the only opportunity to see him do a full show of DT material, particularly that specific DT material. I don't think he was saying he will never play any DT songs again.

I've found a quote:

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"As far as the music goes, this is closure for me. I don't ever plan on revisiting Dream Theater material beyond this tour. This is the finite ending of the Dream Theater journey for me,"

He'd said nothing about full show, only "DT material".

Anyway, I don't like it when musicians say it will be the last time they will do something. Sounds like Ozzy's "farewell" tours.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
I think there a few other comments that some folks intentionally construed in a way that they came across like "taking shots."  For example, I seem to recall a comment about how the atmosphere in the studio -- and particularly with respect to recording vocals -- was different and James liked that.  That was construed (in my opinion deliberately misconstrued) as being the equivalent of "MP was a little Hitler in the studio."
If the tables were turned and MP said "it was a little different in the studio, particularly with the vocals, and it was really cool," it would be characterized as a shot of Ivy Mike proportions. To be clear, I'm not calling what JLB did a shot. Just pointing out that there are very different, very subjective standards at work when discussing this.

There shouldn't be different standards.  And, for the record, I've taken a LOT of heat here for vociferously defending Mike for making comments that are pretty much the equivalent of the hypothetical you posted, and which several people want to call him out for.  And I will continue to do so.

But to be fair to the side that DO criticize him for stuff like that, there is an important distinction.  James has NEVER publicly said anything disparaging about Mike.  Mike HAS several times made openly disparaging comments about James and/or DT.  So when a comment from either side is vague, I don't think it is unfair to give the one side that has never made disparaging comments, and be much less willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the side that has.

I've made this comment numerous times in the past, and every single time there is someone that says "I don't recall any of that" and I go and post the links to the Blabbermouth interview as well as I believe it was an Ultimate Rock interview.  I'm not doing that again.  In any event, basically James made no bones about this not being a bad thing for him. He said he was "happy" Mike left.  He said "no one missed him".  He also made comments about his vocals being done in Toronto without someone standing over his shoulder telling him what to do.  He made comments to the effect that everything Mike did could be done by others in the band (hint: they weren't).  He made comments about how it was a positive to not have to compete to be the front man (said the guy that in many shows, spends significant time behind the amp line). Yes, many of those comments he later walked back from.  Yes, many of you don't think they are "shots".  Fair enough (I consider a "shot" to be anything that is, veiled or blunt, a disparaging comment, or a comment that belittles or downplays anothers efforts or contributions).  I don't expect everyone (or anyone) to agree with me, but at the very least, I do think that of all the members of the band, he was and still is the one that misses Mike least, was least upset by the change, and cared the least about him coming back then or now. 

All with the provisos that a) James might be my favorite member in terms of his contribution to the sound (I believe him to be the only irreplaceable member of the band, sound-wise), b) I fully understand I've never been in a room with them talking about this, nor have I ever talked with James about it, so it's pure speculation, and c) doesn't at all excuse anyone else's behavior (Mike's or otherwise).  It's just an observation I have. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on February 09, 2019, 02:37:03 PM
I’m with you Stadler.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on February 09, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
In retrospect, it's pretty easy to see that Stadler's angle is most likely accurate.   MP from as far back as I can remember has been fairly critical of JLB.  When was it that MP started complaining that JLB wasn't there for the writing sessions?   Then when JLB started showing up, he was fairly critical of his contributions?   

I love MP, and I love JLB, but it's pretty easy to see that they had a terse relationship at best, and that things may very well have been very hard on JLB when MP was co-leader of the band.   It's like loving your job, and having two bosses.  One of them you get along with really well...the other one can be extremely difficult to be around.   Obviously when the difficult boss leaves, and you're offered more of a contributing share in "the company", you're going to be nothing but happy.    So I don't blame JLB one bit for making a few off handed comments.   But they don't seem to be quite as overtly "pot shots" as some of MP's comments have been.   Nevertheless....JLB certainly did make his feelings clearly known without being quite as blunt. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2019, 02:49:32 PM

He'd said nothing about full show, only "DT material".

Anyway, I don't like it when musicians say it will be the last time they will do something. Sounds like Ozzy's "farewell" tours.

"I don't PLAN on playing it again." PLAN on it.   That's not to say that it can't arise organically. 

Jordan:  "Hey Mike, I'd love to play something with you.  Let me know."
Mike:  "Sure, me too!  But it can't be any of the material that we worked on for years, played live hundreds of times in the band we were in together, and that most people know and recognize, because I made one comment four years ago about never playing DT material again and even though I did that twice a night for 75 shows with SOA, I can't do anything that social media might perceive as 'breaking a promise'." 

I say that to be funny, but still.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on February 09, 2019, 02:59:22 PM

He'd said nothing about full show, only "DT material".

Anyway, I don't like it when musicians say it will be the last time they will do something. Sounds like Ozzy's "farewell" tours.

"I don't PLAN on playing it again." PLAN on it.   That's not to say that it can't arise organically. 

Jordan:  "Hey Mike, I'd love to play something with you.  Let me know."
Mike:  "Sure, me too!  But it can't be any of the material that we worked on for years, played live hundreds of times in the band we were in together, and that most people know and recognize, because I made one comment four years ago about never playing DT material again and even though I did that twice a night for 75 shows with SOA, I can't do anything that social media might perceive as 'breaking a promise'." 

I say that to be funny, but still.

Really? Ok.

I believe in MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2019, 03:02:51 PM
I would just say it's better if he had just never made that statement, no matter what he truly meant, you know fans will take it this way regardless and honestly I say that's rightfully so.  You make these public comments, and you got to live with it.  Now having said that, the comment is just mostly ridiculous to have ever believed anyway.  I think that's why I took it more of "last time you'll ever see the 12SS and more show from this MP and Friends band"  not so literal of him not going to play any DT songs ever again.  That just seems too unrealistic to believe and that's obviously not what happened, in fact it was very quickly that MP was back playing DT material.  Who cares really.  SOA brought life into Just Let Me Breathe and I thought that made me like the song much more than I had before.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on February 09, 2019, 03:19:11 PM
I would just say it's better if he had just never made that statement, no matter what he truly meant, you know fans will take it this way regardless and honestly I say that's rightfully so.  You make these public comments, and you got to live with it.  Now having said that, the comment is just mostly ridiculous to have ever believed anyway.  I think that's why I took it more of "last time you'll ever see the 12SS and more show from this MP and Friends band"  not so literal of him not going to play any DT songs ever again.  That just seems too unrealistic to believe and that's obviously not what happened, in fact it was very quickly that MP was back playing DT material.  Who cares really.  SOA brought life into Just Let Me Breathe and I thought that made me like the song much more than I had before.

Of course!

Obviously he would play DT material again. So don't use this ridiculous promise as great promotional marketing for your show.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on February 09, 2019, 08:22:20 PM
I would just say it's better if he had just never made that statement, no matter what he truly meant, you know fans will take it this way regardless and honestly I say that's rightfully so.  You make these public comments, and you got to live with it.  Now having said that, the comment is just mostly ridiculous to have ever believed anyway.  I think that's why I took it more of "last time you'll ever see the 12SS and more show from this MP and Friends band"  not so literal of him not going to play any DT songs ever again.  That just seems too unrealistic to believe and that's obviously not what happened, in fact it was very quickly that MP was back playing DT material.  Who cares really.  SOA brought life into Just Let Me Breathe and I thought that made me like the song much more than I had before.
Of course!

Obviously he would play DT material again. So don't use this ridiculous promise as great promotional marketing for your show.
Honestly, he might not have said so specifically, but it's pretty much implied. If you know the man, while he can be one to hype things up (which I believe it has always been genuine), he is also straightforward with what he says so that the fans know what's up. So when he does another tour or full show of nothing but DT material, then you can argue your point. Until then, please let it go.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on February 10, 2019, 06:16:10 AM
Thank you.

Is that the big fat guy on in the picture above on the far right? I don't know who that is.

The fail your displaying in this thread is nothing short of Nick-worthy.

I know Dream Theater. I know who Neal and Steve Morse are. I know who Dave Larue is. 

I could not name a single guy in that picture. It's not my kind of music. Flying Colors blows. Transatlantic is not my thing, and Haken..puleeze.  ;D
Seriously, I don't follow any of those bands so I don't know the players.


That's Randy George, Connor is the bearded dude behind Roine to the right.
:biggrin:
Thanks, but who is Roine? j/k  I mean I don't know which one he is, but..

I’m with you buddy. Bunch of never-will-bes posing with Mike and Jordan. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 10, 2019, 06:55:04 AM
Considering that he was the first to chime in that the new NMB record is a true band effort (which led to Eric's wife saying the same), I chuckled at the bit in the Trunk interview where Portnoy said he is touring with Neal until the beginning of summer...what about Eric, Bill and Randy??? :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on February 10, 2019, 07:43:52 AM
One thing is for sure, when you pay to see a show and MP is behind the kit...you get your moneys worth.
It's great seeing MP and JR together again. Instant connection musically, like no time has passed since they
last shared a stage. Props to the other musicians as well. It was a flawless performance all around.

I hope for LTE III and wouldn't be surprised one bit if it sold like hotcakes. There's lots of us who would love
to see those 3 guys create new music together again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nachtmerrie on February 10, 2019, 07:52:34 AM
I would just say it's better if he had just never made that statement, no matter what he truly meant, you know fans will take it this way regardless and honestly I say that's rightfully so.  You make these public comments, and you got to live with it.  Now having said that, the comment is just mostly ridiculous to have ever believed anyway.  I think that's why I took it more of "last time you'll ever see the 12SS and more show from this MP and Friends band"  not so literal of him not going to play any DT songs ever again.  That just seems too unrealistic to believe and that's obviously not what happened, in fact it was very quickly that MP was back playing DT material.  Who cares really.  SOA brought life into Just Let Me Breathe and I thought that made me like the song much more than I had before.
Of course!

Obviously he would play DT material again. So don't use this ridiculous promise as great promotional marketing for your show.
Honestly, he might not have said so specifically, but it's pretty much implied. If you know the man, while he can be one to hype things up (which I believe it has always been genuine), he is also straightforward with what he says so that the fans know what's up. So when he does another tour or full show of nothing but DT material, then you can argue your point. Until then, please let it go.

I don't care what he says or said about not playing DT stuff. If he wants to play those song I'm the first to buy tickets. Those Shattered Fortress shows were great just as the DT-material he did with SOA.
Maybe MP should be a little less straightforward but I'm fine with it as long as he doesn't take the 'shots' at DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 10, 2019, 09:17:11 AM
Watch the performance of the Dream Theater "Instrumedley" with Mike Portnoy 🤘, Jordan Rudess , Eric Gillette, and Conner Green on Cruise to the Edge
https://progreport.com/mike-portnoy-performs-show-on-cruise-to-the-edge-with-jordan-rudess-flying-colors-and-transatlantic/
That was really cool and fun to hear!  :tup I'm impressed how they nailed that because i'm not sure how much they had planned this beforehand but i'm sure they didn't have much time to practice together.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 10, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
DT's own Twitter has now shared the vid. Looks like fences are definitely mending.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on February 10, 2019, 11:06:12 AM
It's also on Facebook now.  :tup
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Post by: ReaperKK on February 10, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
checking the video out now
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Post by: ytserush on February 10, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
Why would anyone on this planet want an LTE3? You know it’s not going to have the same vibe as before and feel completely out of place with their prior albums.

I'd love one, but it's unlikely at best.

Mike all but confirms they’ve talked about it and all want to do it.
https://youtu.be/9OGlESzZQnE  7:00 mark.

That may be true but the schedules would have to align. Never doubted they all want to do it. I hope it happens.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: kaos2900 on February 11, 2019, 07:36:26 AM
It took that video of MP and JR (and almost a decade) to finally come to the conclusion (or finally admitting to myself) that DT is not the same amazing band that I fell in love once MP left. I won't go as far as saying "MP was DT" but he was a major piece and the chemistry of those 5 guys together is/was unmatched. Is some of the post-MP DT material better the MP DT? Yes. That being said I was ridiculously more excited for the new Neal Morse Band album than I am for the new DT.  Dream Theater is still a great band but they aren't ruling my musical life anymore.

I would love another Liquid Tension!

And man I hope Eric Gillette gets taken out on a G3 tour. He nailed it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2019, 07:59:02 AM
It took that video of MP and JR (and almost a decade) to finally come to the conclusion (or finally admitting to myself) that DT is not the same amazing band that I fell in love once MP left. I won't go as far as saying "MP was DT" but he was a major piece and the chemistry of those 5 guys together is/was unmatched. Is some of the post-MP DT material better the MP DT? Yes. That being said I was ridiculously more excited for the new Neal Morse Band album than I am for the new DT.  Dream Theater is still a great band but they aren't ruling my musical life anymore.

I would love another Liquid Tension!

And man I hope Eric Gillette gets taken out on a G3 tour. He nailed it.

I jsut watched the Score documentary last night, where they were walking around Berkely like a couple of kids... and they were telling the "Majesty" origin story - talking about sleeping out for Rush tickets and talking about Rush music - and Mike and John looked at each other, John pointed to Mike and they both, in unison said "Bastille Day!" as the song they were talking about, and I had to turn it off because the nostalgia was too great.  I don't have any illusions that that can be recreated - life is a hard taskmaster - but it was fun while it lasted. 
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Post by: gzarruk on February 11, 2019, 08:03:30 AM
Maybe I’m missing something here, but why is everybody so excited about Gillette? Sure, the guy can play, there’s no denying that, but he sounds like he tries SO HARD to be Petrucci, it’s not even funny. What makes a great guitarist/musician IMO aren’t the chops necesarilly but the ability to stand out from the rest because you have something unique to offer. Eric is just another JP clone who got lucky with the Neal Morse gig. In contrast, let’s look at another guitarist with heavy JP influence: Marco Sfogli. While he’s undeniably very influenced by Petrucci, he has a unique playing style, tone and phrasing that you inmediately notice it’s him playing. I just don’t feel that with Gillette.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2019, 08:10:10 AM
I do not think that is a fair characterization of Gillette.  While his guitar playing is clearly influenced by Petrucci in a big way, he is not a JP clone.  Not only is Gillette an excellent guitar player, he is a very good singer, a damn good drummer and a good keyboard player as well.  He is an extremely well-rounded musician.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2019, 08:14:05 AM
I do not think that is a fair characterization of Gillette.  While his guitar playing is clearly influenced by Petrucci in a big way, he is not a JP clone.  Not only is Gillette an excellent guitar player, he is a very good singer, a damn good drummer and a good keyboard player as well.  He is an extremely well-rounded musician.
This.  I don't get the "JP clone" criticism at all.  When he has been asked to cover DT, he sounds like JP.  But he is deliberately trying to, and for good reason, in that context.  But he's a phenomenal player in his own right, and I don't think he "lucked" into the Neal Morse gig at all--he earned it through his talent and musicianship.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on February 11, 2019, 08:27:00 AM
All I can say is this:

That performance by MP/JR, EG, and the bass player sounded more like Dream Theater then Dream Theater has. There is just so much more energy in a show that is not played to a click. You CAN tell, and that's not a damning of Mangini or DT. It just is what it is. This one 12-minute performance is the Dream Theater I remember. There's an energy, a connection, between Portnoy and Jordan.

I sincerely hope, after the DT tour cycle for the new album is done, MP, JR, and JP reunite Liquid Tension Experiment (with TL, or whoever else if he is not up for it), and commit to not only playing LTE songs, but being willing to do some DT instrumentals.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 11, 2019, 08:30:53 AM
All I can say is this:

That performance by MP/JR, EG, and the bass player sounded more like Dream Theater then Dream Theater has. There is just so much more energy in a show that is not played to a click. You CAN tell, and that's not a damning of Mangini or DT. It just is what it is. This one 12-minute performance is the Dream Theater I remember. There's an energy, a connection, between Portnoy and Jordan.

I sincerely hope, after the DT tour cycle for the new album is done, MP, JR, and JP reunite Liquid Tension Experiment (with TL, or whoever else if he is not up for it), and commit to not only playing LTE songs, but being willing to do some DT instrumentals.

Bingo on the bold.  This is why SOA and TSF shows had more energy than any recent DT show of memory.  Playing without a click just makes it more live IMO.  I saw Elton John recently and he made a joke about how playing to a click is for people who can't play live.  I don't really agree, we all know DT can play live, but he is right that the click does take away from that liveness of the music. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on February 11, 2019, 08:35:51 AM
DT is incredible live. Again, its not really a criticism of DT as it is a preference for a looser live show. I MISS that from DT. A technical band like DT, IMO, NEEDS that looseness live, to really make it come alive. A less technical band can get away with a click if there is multimedia and the songs have a certain energy to them. But for me personally, a looser DT is a better DT.

I just really love that MP is finally connecting with the guys and healing wounds. Even if it leads nowhere, its...the right thing to do. Here's hoping, at some point, MP and JLB get together for a couple of hours, and put the past to bed. Not to mention MP and JM, but JM is so quiet, we'd probably never know.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on February 11, 2019, 08:38:23 AM
I thought the video was great. Awesome performance. "What happens when you push that button?" Love it.

There is a picture on MP's and JR's instagram of them hugging after the medley. That was great to see.

As someone else referred to, how much practice went on before the actual performance? That's not stuff that you can just get up there and play without needing some sort of rehersal, right?
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Post by: millahh on February 11, 2019, 08:41:10 AM
I thought the video was great. Awesome performance. "What happens when you push that button?" Love it.

There is a picture on MP's and JR's instagram of them hugging after the medley. That was great to see.

As someone else referred to, how much practice went on before the actual performance? That's not stuff that you can just get up there and play without needing some sort of rehersal, right?

Eric & Connor played at least some of that material with The Shattered Fortress, so they were starting from a pretty good foundation.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on February 11, 2019, 08:42:23 AM
I thought the video was great. Awesome performance. "What happens when you push that button?" Love it.

There is a picture on MP's and JR's instagram of them hugging after the medley. That was great to see.

As someone else referred to, how much practice went on before the actual performance? That's not stuff that you can just get up there and play without needing some sort of rehersal, right?

Eric & Connor played at least some of that material with The Shattered Fortress, so they were starting from a pretty good foundation.

True. I was thinking from an MP & JR perspective.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on February 11, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
I thought the video was great. Awesome performance. "What happens when you push that button?" Love it.

There is a picture on MP's and JR's instagram of them hugging after the medley. That was great to see.

As someone else referred to, how much practice went on before the actual performance? That's not stuff that you can just get up there and play without needing some sort of rehersal, right?

Eric & Connor played at least some of that material with The Shattered Fortress, so they were starting from a pretty good foundation.

True. I was thinking from an MP & JR perspective.

The thing about JR and MP is that they both (along with JP, from what I've heard) have incredible photographic memories when it comes to all that. It's crazy. I am sure they ran through it a couple times, but I highly doubt they needed to over-rehearse. That's the difference between those guys, and all of us other hacks.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on February 11, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
I went to see the Neal Morse Band show Saturday night in Orlando, I've never done a meet and greet before in my life so thought why not meet the band and get to meet a musical hero of the past 27 years.

I honestly was not expecting to get star struck, nervous or just plain brain dead. I've seen many other celebrities up close and spoken with them so I figured I'd be fine. As soon as I saw MP at the meet and greet table I froze and my brain broke. I probably said stupid nonsensical shit which I'm sure made him roll his eyes and facepalm internally. I know MP has dealt with a million of my types and probably cringed on the surface but the man was super gracious and made small talk and joked about a few things. If anyone has watched the Ratatouille movie where Anton Ego goes back to his childhood when tasting the final dish, that was me being transported back in time to being a 16 year old when I would listen to Images and Words back to back endlessly. Finally getting to meet him in person some 27 years later and still have the same musical affection & respect for him even after all this time wasn't something I thought I would have.
His work has essentially been the soundtrack to my life and meeting my musical idol is a moment I am never going to forget.

MP has always been an inspiration to me regardless of what bands he's playing in. I got a few sentimental things signed by him and was on cloud nine the entire evening and am still so giddy thinking about that meet and greet.
Did I mention MP was sick as a dog that day too? You would have never guessed it from his playing that night. He was his usual amazing transcendent self on the drums and didn't miss a beat. He even sang with a frog in his throat.

I only wish I had made more of an effort to see him live with his other bands when they came close but this would only be my second time watching him since the Train of Thought tour in London back in 2004 when they did the Evening with tour. Since I have countless DVDs and Blu-rays of concerts and other live releases that include MP, I figured they sorta make up for seeing him in person. It really is not the case, the guy is a joy to watch live and up close.


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2019, 09:36:53 AM
I thought the video was great. Awesome performance. "What happens when you push that button?" Love it.

There is a picture on MP's and JR's instagram of them hugging after the medley. That was great to see.

As someone else referred to, how much practice went on before the actual performance? That's not stuff that you can just get up there and play without needing some sort of rehersal, right?

Eric & Connor played at least some of that material with The Shattered Fortress, so they were starting from a pretty good foundation.

True. I was thinking from an MP & JR perspective.

The thing about JR and MP is that they both (along with JP, from what I've heard) have incredible photographic memories when it comes to all that. It's crazy. I am sure they ran through it a couple times, but I highly doubt they needed to over-rehearse. That's the difference between those guys, and all of us other hacks.  :lol

As an aside, that's probably the thing that impresses me the most about MP, JR, Neal, and the musicians that sort of populate this world.  For the life of me, I don't know how they do that. I get that it's their jobs and all, but still.  For the longest time, I tried to have about four or five songs always fresh in case I was with a friend and wanted to jam, or at a party with a guitar, what not, and now that I'm rarely presented with that opportunity anymore, I find even four or five songs slip away pretty quickly. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2019, 09:41:49 AM
Part of it is probably muscle memory. I remember Geddy Lee once saying that songs Rush always played were just so ingrained in his head that he could pick up his bass and just know how to play with them without thinking about it, and my guess is that most of the songs used in the Instrumedley fall under that umbrella for both Rudess and Portnoy.  And because he often uses sheet music as a guide, I am guessing Rudess still had the exact order of the Instrumedley saved (I am guessing he saves everything they ever play live so if they ever play it again, he has it), so that came in handy for all four guys who played it this time around.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
Some of it is muscle memory, and some of it is just freakish musical photographic memory.  I'm not sure if Jordan and MP are that way, but I have heard JP described that way by members of the band and others.  That's where, for example, the story came from about when they were getting ready to tour with Queensryche and were discussing what songs to play, and someone in DT was suggesting some really old stuff that QR hadn't played in a long time.  Michael Wilton said he wasn't sure if he could even go back and figure out how to play it because it had been so long, and as the story goes, JP picks up a guitar and says, "Oh, I remember how it goes--here, let me show you," and proceeds to play both guitar parts for him.  :lol  From what I've heard, he has just always been able to do that.  He doesn't remember everything.  But he remembers a LOT. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 11, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
Another thing is that most people don't get the opportunity to do a world tour and play a setlist of songs maybe a 100 times or something. When you do that songs get ingrained into your memory more than any other type of practice or learning method.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 11, 2019, 10:10:02 AM
Part of it must be muscle memory, but it can't be all of it, because of the number of one-off things they've done. Meaning, the entirety of Deep Purple "Made In Japan" can't all be muscle memory, no matter how many times some of them listened to that record.   

Same with Mike's Yellow Matter Custard gig; that's 80 songs. 80! (Well, 72 to be exact).   I love the Beatles and have listened to some of those records 100's of times, but c'mon.  I might be able to do half that, and with a "hey wait a sec... that's G into C, right?  What about the bridge... E?" in there, but we're talking nothing more than "One, two, three, four!". 

EDIT:  And of course, there are techniques to memorizing this stuff that I'm sure they have encountered at some point in their career, be it at Berkely or otherwise.  I still find it amazing though.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on February 11, 2019, 10:57:17 AM
Yea I would guess they mailed eachother a couple of weeks in advance and then each of them practiced by themself and then did a run through in a dressing room before the gig. I highly doubt they decided to play that the first time they met on the cruise.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on February 11, 2019, 11:04:46 AM
Here's my educated guess:  I think they all just practiced it on their own, and then maybe did a run-through or two in one of the practice rooms on the ship.  These guys are all very accomplished musicians, and two of them have played this specific medley a LOT of times before.  And the other two have no doubt played parts of it and are more than capable of figuring out the whole thing.  Remember the DT drummer auditions?  I think they said of Mangini, Wildoer, and Minneman that the performances were so good that they could have gone onstage and played those three songs.  They hadn't rehearsed together before the auditions.  It was just a matter of practicing and learning the material.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on February 11, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
Plus there's a DVD where you can (with the bonus feautres) single out any one of them to watch, and potentially learn from if you were trying to figure out how to play it and get the timing right.  At the end of the day, these guys are all top notch musicians and it shows how they are able to do this so well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 01, 2019, 01:16:04 PM
I already shared this on the Neal Morse thread, but here it is, an interview I did with all members of the Neal Morse Band, including MP. And there's a comment he made about The Shattered Fortress which made me believe we might see a release of one of their shows in the future:

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-the-neal-morse-band/?fbclid=IwAR35d3Z3lca3j4Gb0mJLo-y5_cReSBjuLj-6nqn4thEUL6US7Z5voU4u5fA
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 04, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
Mike just shared the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvMl9VJiNIo

Looks like the PAN ROCKS! Project he recorded on last November is getting released as a 3-song EP this Friday (on iTunes, Amazon, etc.). I remember seeing short clips of this that Mike posted last year, thinking it was pretty cool there was a 50-piece steel pan orchestra playing RUSH songs! I wonder what the other two songs were...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 04, 2019, 08:06:44 PM
I HATE that sound; I mean HATE it (ruins Jane Says and Love The One You're With is almost unlistenable to me).  But that was really really cool.  For some reason I liked that. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 04, 2019, 09:52:45 PM
I HATE that sound; I mean HATE it (ruins Jane Says and Love The One You're With is almost unlistenable to me).  But that was really really cool.  For some reason I liked that.

 Yeah, that kind of sound should only be used in Adam Sandler comedies where the main character ends up in Jamaica. But this version was REALLY cool!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 10, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
Mike just shared the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvMl9VJiNIo

Looks like the PAN ROCKS! Project he recorded on last November is getting released as a 3-song EP this Friday (on iTunes, Amazon, etc.). I remember seeing short clips of this that Mike posted last year, thinking it was pretty cool there was a 50-piece steel pan orchestra playing RUSH songs! I wonder what the other two songs were...

-Marc.

I'd get this if it were a CD (which it probably isn't.)

Have to admit that I expected to hear more steel drums (Isn't that really the point?) I guess that's an arrangement criticism.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on March 16, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
Siamese monster up for auction

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/1004-dream-theater-mike-portnoy-2002---2004-album-tour-used-siamese-monster-tama-drum-kit/ai/0/29499/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 16, 2019, 07:49:03 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
Siamese monster up for auction

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/1004-dream-theater-mike-portnoy-2002---2004-album-tour-used-siamese-monster-tama-drum-kit/ai/0/29499/

This is a listing from a few years ago. Mike did a big auction of many things from his house, including a few kits IIRC. He auctioned *ONE* of his Siamese Monster kits, as he actually had three. I asked him about this on twitter a couple years ago (https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/816398415835885568).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on March 16, 2019, 08:46:21 PM
I do remember that one but I think it's another listing.

This guy, David Frangioni, apparently bought a few sets, including MP's, Terry Bozzio, Eric Singer, among others...

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/drum-kits/ac/0/1375/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2019, 08:57:26 PM
I do remember that one but I think it's another listing.

This gym David Frangioni, apparently bought a few sets, including MP's, Terry Bozzio, Eric Singer, among others...

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/drum-kits/ac/0/1375/

Just checked and you're right, it's out for auction again. So, somebody is either getting a new car or a famous drum kit :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on March 19, 2019, 05:49:21 AM
https://www.theprp.com/2019/03/18/news/jeff-scott-soto-joins-victor-wooten-more-in-progressive-metal-band-octavision/

Didn't see this elsewhere. The merry-go-round continues!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 19, 2019, 08:23:24 AM
https://www.theprp.com/2019/03/18/news/jeff-scott-soto-joins-victor-wooten-more-in-progressive-metal-band-octavision/

Didn't see this elsewhere. The merry-go-round continues!

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51571.0
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 11, 2019, 07:49:42 AM
I Just read this interview and think i should share it here.

https://musicplayers.com/2019/04/mike-portnoy-the-complex-foundation-that-propels-the-neal-morse-band/

Interesting omissions when talking about bass players

Deliberated? Unconscious?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 08:26:04 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on April 11, 2019, 08:37:46 AM
I think he's moved on from DT and speaks about the bass players he's playing with now (George, Sheehan, LaRue). I don't take it as a slight on Myung. He's been complimentary of Myung in the past. The interview was focused on the NMB, the album, gear, tour, etc. so MP not harkening back to Myung doesn't mean he thinks anything negative.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2019, 08:43:14 AM
I think he's moved on from DT and speaks about the bass players he's playing with now (George, Sheehan, LaRue). I don't take it as a slight on Myung. He's been complimentary of Myung in the past. The interview was focused on the NMB, the album, gear, tour, etc. so MP not harkening back to Myung doesn't mean he thinks anything negative.

Levin isn't current.

I think it's more subtle than you might expect from Mike, but there's indirect evidence that he's grown apart from Myung over the years (and vice versa).  I recently burned all my DT to network drive, and part of that was extracting the audio from all the DVDs (that weren't also on CD).   As such I watched most (all?) of the documentaries that came along with the DVDs, and starting around the time of Octavarium or so, there seemed to be a growing... distance.   Little comments here and there that betrayed a separation.

Then - and I think el Barto may be alluding to this - shortly after the "break", he was asked about bass players and pointedly did NOT mention Myung, and at that point it was fresh enough where he didn't have the luxury of saying "oh, I only meant players I was playing with RIGHT NOW."  I know that as fans we want all our heroes to be best buds and friends for life, but I think it's not the case here, for better or worse.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2019, 08:43:50 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 08:47:15 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.
Haven't they lived down the street from each other for like 20 years?  Not arguing with you, as you'd probably know better than me, but it's just the impression I've gotten over the years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2019, 08:48:29 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.

But I thought there was a lot of chatter about "he lives down the street from me, but we might as well be 1000 miles apart."  I know for a fact that Mike complained at one point about JM hiding beneath a set of earphones more often than not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on April 11, 2019, 08:52:15 AM
I think he's moved on from DT and speaks about the bass players he's playing with now (George, Sheehan, LaRue). I don't take it as a slight on Myung. He's been complimentary of Myung in the past. The interview was focused on the NMB, the album, gear, tour, etc. so MP not harkening back to Myung doesn't mean he thinks anything negative.

Levin isn't current.

I think it's more subtle than you might expect from Mike, but there's indirect evidence that he's grown apart from Myung over the years (and vice versa).  I recently burned all my DT to network drive, and part of that was extracting the audio from all the DVDs (that weren't also on CD).   As such I watched most (all?) of the documentaries that came along with the DVDs, and starting around the time of Octavarium or so, there seemed to be a growing... distance.   Little comments here and there that betrayed a separation.

Then - and I think el Barto may be alluding to this - shortly after the "break", he was asked about bass players and pointedly did NOT mention Myung, and at that point it was fresh enough where he didn't have the luxury of saying "oh, I only meant players I was playing with RIGHT NOW."  I know that as fans we want all our heroes to be best buds and friends for life, but I think it's not the case here, for better or worse.

Forgot about Levin.

I've revisited some documentary items also and I agree that it seems as if MP was growing distant after Octavarium. Maybe not as much relationally (it is in there) but more musically.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2019, 08:55:28 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.

As an aside, I used to regularly drive from Philly to Erie, and my route took me through that part of the state and it's BEAUTIFUL there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 09:04:27 AM
I dunno.  I went into the article kind of assuming that people were overreacting to JM not being mentioned.  And when I got to the question, it really seemed that way, since the question had a particular focus.  But, yeah, the way Mike answered it, it seems REALLY odd to have not mentioned JM.  I hate to assume anyone's motivation, but it does kinda look like an intentional slight.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 11, 2019, 09:11:05 AM
I dunno.  I went into the article kind of assuming that people were overreacting to JM not being mentioned.  And when I got to the question, it really seemed that way, since the question had a particular focus.  But, yeah, the way Mike answered it, it seems REALLY odd to have not mentioned JM.  I hate to assume anyone's motivation, but it does kinda look like an intentional slight.

You are right bosk1, plus saying that the interview was only about the "current" isn't totally true, because Dream Theater was mentioned A LOT on this interview, so, to me not mentioning JM was a slight at him, come on, that guy is a monster on his instrument just as much as the others he did mentioned.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 09:18:59 AM
I dunno.  I went into the article kind of assuming that people were overreacting to JM not being mentioned.  And when I got to the question, it really seemed that way, since the question had a particular focus.  But, yeah, the way Mike answered it, it seems REALLY odd to have not mentioned JM.  I hate to assume anyone's motivation, but it does kinda look like an intentional slight.
And I recall this happening before. He talks about the grass bass players he's had the privilege of playing with and Myung is noticeably absent. And MP knows better than anybody that JMX is a "great" bass player (when allowed to be).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 11, 2019, 09:20:52 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.
Wouldn't it be funny if Mike and JM see each other every now and then in local shops and stuff? Mike's reunions with Petrucci and Rudess were headlines online, but for all we know, Mike and JM might have bumped into one another and engaged in conversation plenty of times, there was just no talk about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 11, 2019, 09:24:40 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.
Wouldn't it be funny if Mike and JM see each other every now and then in local shops and stuff? Mike's reunions with Petrucci and Rudess were headlines online, but for all we know, Mike and JM might have bumped into one another and engaged in conversation plenty of times, there was just no talk about it.

Being as active in the social media as MP is, if that would have happened, I am sure he would have posted a picture of that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Has he ever brought up Myung when talking about the great players he's played with? I think it's a customary omission.

And this is just my uninformed opinion, but I don't think he's ever thought very highly of him.

FWIW I don't think that's accurate and believe they have a pretty good relationship. When Mike moved to my area John followed shortly behind and lives literally down the street from him.
Wouldn't it be funny if Mike and JM see each other every now and then in local shops and stuff? Mike's reunions with Petrucci and Rudess were headlines online, but for all we know, Mike and JM might have bumped into one another and engaged in conversation plenty of times, there was just no talk about it.
It'd be kind of sad if they didn't. Haven't these two known each other since they were teenagers? I think it would take some real animosity to not want to occasionally bullshit over a cup of coffee or something with somebody you've known more than half your life, even if neither has any interest whatsoever in a musical relationship.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2019, 09:26:50 AM
I dunno. I've basically stopped having contact with my 2nd degree cousin who still lives in the street two parallels from me, for no other particular reason than both being adults with jobs and having different social circles. I wouldn't be too much surprised that two world class musicians, often busy with projects when they aren't actually touring and both with families, would never meet each other even if they live so close.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 11, 2019, 09:27:09 AM
I was thinking more of an accidental encounter, like taking a glimpse of each other in the cereal section at the mall. And then, "Oh, hi! So, how's it going with the dozen bands?"  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 11, 2019, 09:30:52 AM
I was thinking more of an accidental encounter, like taking a glimpse of each other in the cereal section at the mall. And then, "Oh, hi! So, how's it going with the dozen bands?"  :biggrin:

I can totally imagine Myung, not out of spite or animosity but just for his introverted nature that probably makes him hate small talk (or any kind of talk really), pretending to be very concentrated on which brand of cereal to chose to make it look as if he didn't see him  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 09:35:08 AM
???  Who buys cereal at the mall?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
I dunno. I've basically stopped having contact with my 2nd degree cousin who still lives in the street two parallels from me, for no other particular reason than both being adults with jobs and having different social circles. I wouldn't be too much surprised that two world class musicians, often busy with projects when they aren't actually touring and both with families, would never meet each other even if they live so close.
Don't they live in a somewhat rural part of Penn? Dallas is huge, and I bump into one of my doctors buying groceries all the time. Former neighbors. Old buddies. If they're in a Walmart town then random encounters would come up from time to time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2019, 10:35:17 AM
I dunno. I've basically stopped having contact with my 2nd degree cousin who still lives in the street two parallels from me, for no other particular reason than both being adults with jobs and having different social circles. I wouldn't be too much surprised that two world class musicians, often busy with projects when they aren't actually touring and both with families, would never meet each other even if they live so close.
Don't they live in a somewhat rural part of Penn? Dallas is huge, and I bump into one of my doctors buying groceries all the time. Former neighbors. Old buddies. If they're in a Walmart town then random encounters would come up from time to time.

The area where we live is outside of Allentown, a reasonable city (500k-ish), but we are not anywhere near "rural" PA. Although you can be surrounded by nature in many areas here, and live in a relative woodsy setting in many places, the fact remains you're never more than 15 minutes from a shopping center or reasonable town of some sort.

As far as bumping into each other, no idea how often it happens, though I was there once when it happened after the split, but won't go into details past that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2019, 10:41:58 AM
Well, certain places play "big", and certain places play "small".  I lived in the city of Philadelphia and ran into peopel ALL the time. I live in a semi-rural part of Connecticut, and live in the next town over from my cousin (in fact, I have to drive through that town to get to the highway I rail about all the time in the "left lane" threads) and we eat occassionally at the same restaurant, and yet I have not run into him even once in the four years I've been in this area.  I would venture, though, that if you expand out to the wives and kids, the equation changes (not at all being sexist, only noting that neither Marlene nor Ms. Myung are, to my knowledge, in touring bands at this point). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 10:54:31 AM
As far as bumping into each other, no idea how often it happens, though I was there once when it happened after the split, but won't go into details past that.
Yeah, that's definitely provocative enough that you probably shouldn't have even brought it up in the first place.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 11, 2019, 11:50:06 AM
I dunno.  I went into the article kind of assuming that people were overreacting to JM not being mentioned.  And when I got to the question, it really seemed that way, since the question had a particular focus.  But, yeah, the way Mike answered it, it seems REALLY odd to have not mentioned JM.  I hate to assume anyone's motivation, but it does kinda look like an intentional slight.
And I recall this happening before. He talks about the grass bass players he's had the privilege of playing with and Myung is noticeably absent. And MP knows better than anybody that JMX is a "great" bass player (when allowed to be).

I remember this too, I think it was during one of the Twitter Q&As he used to do a few years back, after the DT split. I clearly remember MP being asked about the best guitarists, bassists, keyboardists and singers he's played/been in bands with. JP and JR were listed in their respective instrument lists, but guess what? There was no sign of Myung or LaBrie anywhere there. If he was only citing people he was currently (at the time) working with, why did he bother to mention Petrucci and Rudess? That's what made the omissions even more noticeable.

Now, of course he can name whoever he wants on his own lists, but we're discussing whether he didn't include Myung (and LaBrie) on purpose or not, and I think he did (based on what I explained before).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on April 11, 2019, 11:54:40 AM
As far as bumping into each other, no idea how often it happens, though I was there once when it happened after the split, but won't go into details past that.
Yeah, that's definitely provocative enough that you probably shouldn't have even brought it up in the first place.  :lol

To be clear, I'm not indicating any positive or negative reactions of that meeting, it was simply at a time and for a reason that I don't want to pry into it further. I will say that they absolutely did not seem hostile towards one another.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2019, 01:24:32 PM
As far as bumping into each other, no idea how often it happens, though I was there once when it happened after the split, but won't go into details past that.
Yeah, that's definitely provocative enough that you probably shouldn't have even brought it up in the first place.  :lol

To be clear, I'm not indicating any positive or negative reactions of that meeting, it was simply at a time and for a reason that I don't want to pry into it further. I will say that they absolutely did not seem hostile towards one another.

Respect what you said, but... .questions, questions, thousands of questions!   :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 11, 2019, 01:29:47 PM
???  Who buys cereal at the mall?
Sorry, I couldn't come up with a better example.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on April 11, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
I remember MP giving some condescending remarks to JM on the WDADRU DVD commentary when JM suggested they go back to writing in a jam/basement type setting that's less structured and "corporate" for lack of a better word. MP basically shot it down even though JM had some legitimate points. I feel like it became noticeable around that time that a little animosity formed from both sides and it's no secret that JM also seems happy to have MP gone by mentioning in interviews about how happy he is with the new rhythm section. Basically you have an extremely overbearing/extroverted personality with MP and a quiet/introverted with JM so it's no wonder they don't really get along. They probably never truly did have a great relationship but more or less a suitable working relationship. I believe Anthony Kiedis and Chad Smith are the same way in RHCP. Good bandmates with very little in common.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 11, 2019, 03:40:43 PM
I see MP talking/not talking about DT as a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.

Say something about DT and it will be dissected for a deep hidden meaning or a nugget or a cheap shot, even if it was something positive.

Say nothing and he's disrespecting his old band and it's members.

I know this is a stretch, but JP has gone on record that he is up for another LTE record so talking about Levin as a member could fit. Yeah, it's a stretch.

Whatever, it's a no win situation for him. People say he talks too much and then when he holds his tongue he gets over-analyzed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 04:21:13 PM
Whatever, it's a no win situation for him. People say he talks too much and then when he holds his tongue he gets over-analyzed.

Sometimes, yes.  But not in this situation.  Did you read the interview?  He was asked about bassists in a couple of specific projects.  Mike went out of his way to expand on that and mention just about every really talented bassist he has worked with...except the one he was in a band with for 25 years.  It's not overanalysis to point out the omission of a simple statement like, "...and, of course, John Myung."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 11, 2019, 05:29:13 PM
Whatever, it's a no win situation for him. People say he talks too much and then when he holds his tongue he gets over-analyzed.

Sometimes, yes.  But not in this situation.  Did you read the interview?  He was asked about bassists in a couple of specific projects.  Mike went out of his way to expand on that and mention just about every really talented bassist he has worked with...except the one he was in a band with for 25 years.  It's not overanalysis to point out the omission of a simple statement like, "...and, of course, John Myung."

This. And like I said on my previous post, Mike is free to mention whoever he wants when talking about great musicians he's worked with, we're just pointing out that this omission seems to be on purpose, that's all.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2019, 06:07:08 PM
I remember MP giving some condescending remarks to JM on the WDADRU DVD commentary when JM suggested they go back to writing in a jam/basement type setting that's less structured and "corporate" for lack of a better word. MP basically shot it down even though JM had some legitimate points. I feel like it became noticeable around that time that a little animosity formed from both sides and it's no secret that JM also seems happy to have MP gone by mentioning in interviews about how happy he is with the new rhythm section. Basically you have an extremely overbearing/extroverted personality with MP and a quiet/introverted with JM so it's no wonder they don't really get along. They probably never truly did have a great relationship but more or less a suitable working relationship. I believe Anthony Kiedis and Chad Smith are the same way in RHCP. Good bandmates with very little in common.
This is what got me to paying attention to that dynamic originally. I'd take it a step past condescending, though. It struck me at the time as downright belittling. If I'm not mistaken Portnoy actually came back to it later in the commentary like "yeah, maybe we could start jamming your mom's basement again," or something like that. I found it really awkward, and somewhat sad since we know it's not within JMX to return fire. (And my comeback would have absolutely resulted in punches thrown  :lol) After that things like Myung no longer contributing to the writing, or "retreating into his headphones" made a lot more sense. I've said all along that two members of the band are thrilled that he's gone, and one of them stems from that.

What I don't get is why MP has such a lack of respect for the guy. I don't mean respect musically. As I said earlier, Portnoy's way too much of a musician and music fan to not respect Myung's talent. The omissions when listing great players are personal, and goes back further than the split. It really seems to me like he just doesn't like the guy and hasn't for a long while.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 11, 2019, 06:35:32 PM
I think MP's vision of being in a band in those early days meant that you were in a gang. I mean, even in the Majesty In The Basement video, there's a point where they are all mugging for the camera and JM just has his head down ignoring everyone else.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on April 12, 2019, 01:15:59 AM
Well, maybe Mike should tell some little white lies here and there; it's the general assumption that James and Mike are not exactly the best of buddies, but in the occasional interview you see the casual remark from James about how Mike was doing a great job at creating setlists or whatever. It would stick out like a sore thumb if James would say "Petrucci is so great at writing setlists I can't imagine anyone else in the band doing it". The casual mention of his former bandmates, for Mike, should come easy as long as it's just a casual remark and not a detailed request to go very in depth.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2019, 07:44:41 AM
I think MP's vision of being in a band in those early days meant that you were in a gang. I mean, even in the Majesty In The Basement video, there's a point where they are all mugging for the camera and JM just has his head down ignoring everyone else.

I think there's a LOT of truth in this statement.  A LOT.   I've long had the belief - rarely voiced - that Mike was, for a while, if not "jealous" then maybe a little envious of Charlie Benante.  I have a strong suspicion that he wanted DT to be "his" Anthrax, where the drummer is the sort of catalyst - singer, arranger, lyricist, writer, spokesperson, all-around metal AF captain of the ship - with his guitar-player foil (Ian/Petrucci).   And the personalities aren't the same.  i'm not prepared to put all the blame on Mike on this - I don't believe silence is necessarily consent, but then again, we're talking about adults in a closed-loop system; if you don't like something say something.   "Hey man, we don't see eye-to-eye, I get that, but how 'bout a truce?  I'll participate in your fucking stupid commentaries, Michael Stephen Coppola, and if'n I throw out a bon mot or two, in return, you don't drag it through the sewer system? Comprende?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 12, 2019, 07:45:18 AM
While not that big a deal, this is not the first time he has done that in an interview, list all of the great bass players he has played with and not mentioned Myung, and to me the interviewer failed big time in this instance by not following up and asking, "What about the guy you played with for 25 years, John Myung?"  Then again, it seems like the vast majority of interviewers these days are major fanboys and they probably don't want to jeopardize getting more interviews in the future by asking a tough question or anything like that, so they lob softballs.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
FYI, we're talking about Powerslave, by Iron Maiden, in another thread here, and one of the b-sides is a pretty heated argument between Steve Harris - bass player - and Nicko McBrain - drummer - recorded surreptitiously by "some c***" (Dickinson).   Incidentally, that argument was recorded after a gig in Allentown, PA.  Must be something in the water there that only affects drummers and bassists...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 12, 2019, 08:05:40 AM
...but then again, we're talking about adults in a closed-loop system; if you don't like something say something.   "Hey man, we don't see eye-to-eye, I get that, but how 'bout a truce?  I'll participate in your fucking stupid commentaries, Michael Stephen Coppola, and if'n I throw out a bon mot or two, in return, you don't drag it through the sewer system? Comprende?"

And it's all fine to say that, in the abstract.  I mean, yeah, "JM's a grown man.  If he didn't like something, he could have just been a man and stood up for himself.  If he didn't, that's on him 100%."  Right?  But on the flip side, if you're in a band with someone, and their personality is more nonconfrontational, then I think the more "Type A" personalities in the band owe it to that member to take that into account and be a bit more sensitive to the fact that not everyone handles their business the same.  I think it was Mike who penned the words, "Kindness--it's not that hard."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 12, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
[...]and to me the interviewer failed big time in this instance by not following up and asking, "What about the guy you played with for 25 years, John Myung?"  Then again, it seems like the vast majority of interviewers these days are major fanboys and they probably don't want to jeopardize getting more interviews in the future by asking a tough question or anything like that, so they lob softballs.

This. A thousand times this.

As for the interview in question, what a good interview it was (aside from the point raised by KevShmev, above). Shame no-one seems to be discussing the rest of the content. But why do that we can beat around the same tired old bush, eh? ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peace and Love on April 12, 2019, 09:26:15 AM
Usually when the MP thread gets bumped, I think "Oh no, what controversial thing has he said now?".

Except this time we've managed to have a 1 page discussion about what he didn't say!

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
...but then again, we're talking about adults in a closed-loop system; if you don't like something say something.   "Hey man, we don't see eye-to-eye, I get that, but how 'bout a truce?  I'll participate in your fucking stupid commentaries, Michael Stephen Coppola, and if'n I throw out a bon mot or two, in return, you don't drag it through the sewer system? Comprende?"

And it's all fine to say that, in the abstract.  I mean, yeah, "JM's a grown man.  If he didn't like something, he could have just been a man and stood up for himself.  If he didn't, that's on him 100%."  Right?  But on the flip side, if you're in a band with someone, and their personality is more nonconfrontational, then I think the more "Type A" personalities in the band owe it to that member to take that into account and be a bit more sensitive to the fact that not everyone handles their business the same.  I think it was Mike who penned the words, "Kindness--it's not that hard."

I don't disagree, other than to say that I'm not saying "he's a man, it's on him 100%".  All I'm saying is that in my experience, I have rarely if ever watched a one-man wrestling contest or a one-man boxing match.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 12, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
I have a strong suspicion that he wanted DT to be "his" Anthrax, where the drummer is the sort of catalyst - singer, arranger, lyricist, writer, spokesperson, all-around metal AF captain of the ship...

That seems like a fairly valid speculation, and not even an unfair one. Every ship needs a captain. A 5-member band with 5 captains is going to have rough sailing. But that doesn't mean every person is best suited to be a captain. Not does it mean the other 4 should be relegated to swabbing the decks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on April 12, 2019, 12:44:38 PM
All I'm saying is that in my experience, I have rarely if ever watched a one-man wrestling contest or a one-man boxing match.

Would this count as a one-man wrestling contest since it's technically one man vs a sex doll?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LApVz53Spw
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 16, 2019, 08:30:31 PM
Leader or Guest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdA67L7abMA
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 16, 2019, 10:26:45 PM
Leader or Guest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdA67L7abMA

I actually enjoyed watching this, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on April 17, 2019, 02:21:12 PM
That's been the best interview Mike has done in a long time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
So when he was asked between Billy Sheehan and Paul McCartney, why didn't he answer John Myung?

 :censored
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 18, 2019, 03:20:17 AM
So when he was asked between Billy Sheehan and Paul McCartney, why didn't he answer John Myung?

 :censored

You beat me to it :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 18, 2019, 11:03:12 AM
He was specifically asked about those 2. It wasn't an open question  :tdwn

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on April 18, 2019, 11:07:13 AM
I mean I'm fairly sure this was sarcasm :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 18, 2019, 11:20:20 AM
I mean I'm fairly sure this was sarcasm :lol

spot on sarcasm too  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 18, 2019, 11:56:59 PM
I mean I'm fairly sure this was sarcasm :lol

spot on sarcasm too  :lol

Gotta love the pragmatics field of linguistics ;D

(Not being critical of you, MinistroRaven, just expressing my love of the subtleties of language!)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 19, 2019, 05:21:34 AM
While not that big a deal, this is not the first time he has done that in an interview, list all of the great bass players he has played with and not mentioned Myung
Yeah and it's not great. It seems that JLB and JM are the people who haven't really rebuilt their relationships with MP, and as a result he doesn't even wanna mention them now when it's warranted to do so, and previously they were only singled out in a negative context. We can argue about why that is*, and why JLB and JM have gotten this treatment while JP and JR get a full public reconciliation. Mike isn't hostile, but the more people are telling him about the optics of making these comments, the more he doubles down, because in his head he didn't mean to do harm by simply not mentioning someone he doesn't wanna mention, and if someone else wants to read it that way, that's their problem.

Well, maybe Mike should tell some little white lies here and there; it's the general assumption that James and Mike are not exactly the best of buddies, but in the occasional interview you see the casual remark from James about how Mike was doing a great job at creating setlists or whatever. It would stick out like a sore thumb if James would say "Petrucci is so great at writing setlists I can't imagine anyone else in the band doing it". The casual mention of his former bandmates, for Mike, should come easy as long as it's just a casual remark and not a detailed request to go very in depth.
Because James is very much aware about the implications of what he says and of what he doesn't say. In fact, he got burned very hard by MP because of what someone else implied in a headline to an article about a James interview post-split. So now he's aware of the implications of what others can say as well.

* Not that we should! But it's inevitable, most splits nowadays follow the business script and they always say there is absolutely no bad blood, so it's interesting to see someone openly holding grudges that we know they must have. What's sad about MP's case is that he always seems like he is pissed off every time someone takes his words at face value and says "well, this guy has a grudge", and it's like he doesn't understand why that happens. Well, here's why.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2019, 06:42:28 AM
I mean I'm fairly sure this was sarcasm :lol

spot on sarcasm too  :lol

Gotta love the pragmatics field of linguistics ;D

(Not being critical of you, MinistroRaven, just expressing my love of the subtleties of language!)

Well it also goes back to the history of this thread recently  :lol but yea, I get it sometimes it's hard to understand the subtleties of text.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on April 19, 2019, 09:11:59 AM
Metal Allegiance is on a mini-tour out west.  I love their live shows and setlists - this tour is ending in San Francisco with a big lineup of bay-area thrash guests.  Cool to see Max join them this time!

Soulfly / Prophecy with Max Cavalera:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr9AmpE5AxE

Pledge of Allegiance with John Bush:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BJzVDSD1-s

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2019, 09:23:46 AM
While not that big a deal, this is not the first time he has done that in an interview, list all of the great bass players he has played with and not mentioned Myung
Yeah and it's not great. It seems that JLB and JM are the people who haven't really rebuilt their relationships with MP, and as a result he doesn't even wanna mention them now when it's warranted to do so, and previously they were only singled out in a negative context. We can argue about why that is*, and why JLB and JM have gotten this treatment while JP and JR get a full public reconciliation. Mike isn't hostile, but the more people are telling him about the optics of making these comments, the more he doubles down, because in his head he didn't mean to do harm by simply not mentioning someone he doesn't wanna mention, and if someone else wants to read it that way, that's their problem.

Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal if he never mentions JLB or Myung again.  Not every friendship is for life, and if they aren't friends anymore, it's not a big deal.  Sure, they were all in the same band together for decades, and it would be a nice touch if he'd give Myung a mention when asked about the best bass players he has worked with, but he didn't; they have all moved on.  In a perfect world, they would all be buddies again and could sit down with the fans and all sing Kumbaya, but that is not how life works. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on April 19, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
While not that big a deal, this is not the first time he has done that in an interview, list all of the great bass players he has played with and not mentioned Myung
Yeah and it's not great. It seems that JLB and JM are the people who haven't really rebuilt their relationships with MP, and as a result he doesn't even wanna mention them now when it's warranted to do so, and previously they were only singled out in a negative context. We can argue about why that is*, and why JLB and JM have gotten this treatment while JP and JR get a full public reconciliation. Mike isn't hostile, but the more people are telling him about the optics of making these comments, the more he doubles down, because in his head he didn't mean to do harm by simply not mentioning someone he doesn't wanna mention, and if someone else wants to read it that way, that's their problem.

  In a perfect world, they would all be buddies again and could sit down with the fans and all sing Kumbaya, but that is not how life works.
Unfortunately true..  Silly human race!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on April 20, 2019, 10:04:20 AM
It's April 20th, and you all know what that means...

Happy Birthday to Mike Portnoy!!! :hat

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 20, 2019, 11:30:01 AM
 :metal :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 20, 2019, 12:13:00 PM
Happy birthday to one of my favorite drummers.  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on April 20, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
It's April 20th, and you all know what that means...

420 smoke we. . . . oh wait, yea, Happy Birthday MP
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 20, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
It's April 20th, and you all know what that means...

420 smoke we. . . . oh wait, yea, Happy Birthday MP

Thought about this after seeing the date on a bank sign on the way to the grocery store this morning.  Not on Facebook or Twitter so I really have little idea of what he's up to after he locked his forum.  Other than what is posted here of  course.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on May 10, 2019, 02:43:50 PM
Some drumhead auctions that will start tomorrow I believe.

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/mike-portnoy/ac/0/1444/?fbclid=IwAR0NaRVEDM8AmukxDYV43_MbgznMkP8z3mWxc4SZYKkKPZV4_Nzz2BO6bgs
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on May 11, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
Some drumhead auctions that will start tomorrow I believe.

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/mike-portnoy/ac/0/1444/?fbclid=IwAR0NaRVEDM8AmukxDYV43_MbgznMkP8z3mWxc4SZYKkKPZV4_Nzz2BO6bgs

Is he doing this because he needs to make money or because he doesn't want all that stuff in his house/storage?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on May 11, 2019, 02:04:52 PM
Some drumhead auctions that will start tomorrow I believe.

https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/mike-portnoy/ac/0/1444/?fbclid=IwAR0NaRVEDM8AmukxDYV43_MbgznMkP8z3mWxc4SZYKkKPZV4_Nzz2BO6bgs

Is he doing this because he needs to make money or because he doesn't want all that stuff in his house/storage?

I don’t think Mike needs the money, it’s just a fun thing to do, and will make some fans with lots of cash very happy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on May 11, 2019, 04:25:57 PM
The BC&SL bass drum head never made sense to me? What’s it supposed to be? It was the back of the album, I remember that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on May 31, 2019, 08:05:22 AM
https://www.cameo.com/mikeportnoy

Was sent this link earlier. Thoughts? I have to admit that to me, it looks desperate.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2019, 08:06:43 AM
https://www.cameo.com/mikeportnoy

Was sent this link earlier. Thoughts? I have to admit that to me, it looks desperate.

I'm confused. You pay 50 bucks for MP to record you a nice video?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on May 31, 2019, 08:08:22 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2019, 08:09:13 AM
Yup.

I mean.......seems like easy money, but leaves a weird unwanted smiley taste in my mouth.

I dunno.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on May 31, 2019, 08:10:40 AM
I felt the enumeration of "this is what you can ask me to do for $50" really had a very bad association (with other people who tell you upfront what you can get for $50) in my mind.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2019, 08:13:47 AM
https://www.cameo.com/mikeportnoy

Was sent this link earlier. Thoughts? I have to admit that to me, it looks desperate.

It was posted, somewhere.

Anyway, it does kind of look desperate, but there's a lot of celebrities on this.  Howard Stern loves talking about it as he kind of finds it interesting to rank celebrity status by how much each one charges.  $50 for MP is kind of cheap considering "High Pitch Eric" gets $75
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2019, 08:37:04 AM
Cram, it's worth the time to scroll through and see who charges what.  There weren't many that interested me, but I have to admit, there was small part of me that was interested in a message from Charlie Sheen or Ice-T for three and a half bills.  Dee Snider for $200 is a steal.

Some make me scratch my head though;   $500 for Brett Favre, but $525 for Chris Harrison (the dude from "The Bachelor")??

I was about 2/3 of the way through, and I thought "hmm, they range from $7 (some soccer player) to about $550 (Brian Urlacher)... all reasonable.   Then... Caitlyn Jenner, $2,500, by FAR the highest (there's no one else over $600 as far as I can tell).   Who's paying that???
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2019, 08:41:35 AM
 :lol yea, it's really fascinating in a way.

And it is super easy money, High Pitch Eric is making like 75k this year from cameo and can practically do it in his sleep.  And calling this guy "low IQ" is generous.

But for some of them, they probably charge a high price and only get a few so it's not taking up time but still making nice money.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on May 31, 2019, 08:53:36 AM
No results for Tobias Sammet. Interest lost.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on May 31, 2019, 09:02:43 AM
I think it's cool... if you can afford to spend 50 bucks for a minute long video :lol. However, I would never pay 50 bucks just to get Mike singing happy birthday to me... I guess most people don't realize they can actually ask interesting questions, like the guy who asked him about his drum sound and how he achieves that working with the engineers/mixers. THAT'S a very good question, and Mike gave a great answer too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2019, 09:08:50 AM
I think it's cool... if you can afford to spend 50 bucks for a minute long video :lol. However, I would never pay 50 bucks just to get Mike singing happy birthday to me... I guess most people don't realize they can actually ask interesting questions, like the guy who asked him about his drum sound and how he achieves that working with the engineers/mixers. THAT'S a very good question, and Mike gave a great answer too.

I think it's more useful as a gift for someone else for the birthday part of it, like Kat loves Tobi and Tobi is on there, how cool would it be if I gifted a birthday message from tobi to Kat?  The interview like aspect is cool too and if I really had something I wanted to ask to someone on there, I could totally see it being worth it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2019, 09:40:03 AM
Cram, it's worth the time to scroll through and see who charges what.  There weren't many that interested me, but I have to admit, there was small part of me that was interested in a message from Charlie Sheen or Ice-T for three and a half bills.  Dee Snider for $200 is a steal.

Some make me scratch my head though;   $500 for Brett Favre, but $525 for Chris Harrison (the dude from "The Bachelor")??

I was about 2/3 of the way through, and I thought "hmm, they range from $7 (some soccer player) to about $550 (Brian Urlacher)... all reasonable.   Then... Caitlyn Jenner, $2,500, by FAR the highest (there's no one else over $600 as far as I can tell).   Who's paying that???

If a has-been like Dee Snider is getting $200, then Favre ought to be getting $2,000 (although I consider him to be one of the most overrated QBs in history).  As far as Harrison, the Bachelor(ette), as stupid as it is, is massively popular, and its audience consists of exactly the sort of folks who would be willing to drop cash for something like this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2019, 10:43:47 AM
I would ask who in their right mind would pay Dee Snider more than $5 for something, but then I remembered that there are a lot of stupid people out there.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
What's with all the hate for Dee Snider?  I'm not paying more than $5 for ANYONE, but if I was, $200 is a steal for Dee. 

I'm going to get shit for this, but I view him as a modern day, much less profilic, Frank Zappa. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
I like him too, seems like a legit dude
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
Personally I think paying for the opportunity to speak to or hear from anyone, literally anyone, is a bit odd. Though I understand why others would enjoy it.

The one time I did it was when I was in line to see Nightwish and Kamelot and they offered ticket upgrades which included a meet and greet. I took it, but mostly just to get into the venue early and ensure a front row seat.

I'd love to meet bands, but I ain't paying for it. They're people.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2019, 12:19:20 PM
Personally I think paying for the opportunity to speak to or hear from anyone, literally anyone, is a bit odd. Though I understand why others would enjoy it.

The one time I did it was when I was in line to see Nightwish and Kamelot and they offered ticket upgrades which included a meet and greet. I took it, but mostly just to get into the venue early and ensure a front row seat.

I'd love to meet bands, but I ain't paying for it. They're people.

I agree with that, but I'm fascinated with people.  I'm fascinated by how they talk, how they carry themselves, what they say... I've written before that when I was newly divorced, I would go to my local bar, sit at the end of the bar, sip vodkas and do crossword puzzles or whatever, just to get out of the house.  I got to be friends with one of the bartenders and we would just chat.  But if someone came and sat next to me, I'd usually - not always, but usually - engage in conversation, and it was fascinating to me how different people were (but also how alike).   

When I met the Neal Morse Band, Mike was closest to what I expected, but even he was clearly tired and a little reserved. He was nice, and it wasn't fake, but he wasn't the gregarious, wild guy that comes across on some of the band's behind the scenes videos.  Neal wasn't ANYTHING like I expected.  Paul Stanley was exactly 100% as I expected, Gene was sort of what I expected, but not.  Billy Squier wasn't ANYTHING like I expected.   Jon Anderson was exactly as expected.

That stuff fascinates me; it's not always worth it (of the above, I only paid for Anderson and Neal Morse) but there are some guys that I'm curious what they're like in person.

Still on the list:
Ritchie Blackmore
Jack Blades
Phil Collins
Peter Gabriel
Bruce Dickinson
Tony Iommi
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2019, 12:20:40 PM
What's with all the hate for Dee Snider?  I'm not paying more than $5 for ANYONE, but if I was, $200 is a steal for Dee. 

I'm going to get shit for this, but I view him as a modern day, much less profilic, Frank Zappa.

It's not hate, just shock that anyone would pay that to a guy whose band literally had 1 hit (and a pretty minor one at that).

Snider does seem like a cool guy when I've see him speak on those specials VH1 used to do, but $200? Come on, now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 31, 2019, 12:26:30 PM
Personally I think paying for the opportunity to speak to or hear from anyone, literally anyone, is a bit odd. Though I understand why others would enjoy it.
While it's not something I would do, I can see it be pretty similar to paying to do a meet 'n' greet at a concert.
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Post by: Adami on May 31, 2019, 12:28:03 PM
Personally I think paying for the opportunity to speak to or hear from anyone, literally anyone, is a bit odd. Though I understand why others would enjoy it.
While it's not something I would do, I can see it be pretty similar to paying to do a meet 'n' greet at a concert.

Yup. I agree. I also don't understand those.

I mean, I get it if it's a small artist and you want to financially support them. But the idea of paying TO meet someone, is a bit odd to me. And I can very much understand why Neil never did those things.
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Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2019, 12:40:59 PM
What's with all the hate for Dee Snider?  I'm not paying more than $5 for ANYONE, but if I was, $200 is a steal for Dee. 

I'm going to get shit for this, but I view him as a modern day, much less profilic, Frank Zappa.

I'm sure Dee is perfectly nice, but still, Twisted Sister's a band that released six albums over the course of 20 years (only one of which was truly successful) and only a single new album in the last 30 years.  I don't know what Dee has done outside of TS (and am not sufficiently knowledgeable about Zappa to comment on that comparison), but is that sort of career -- coupled with his decades old congressional testimony -- really enough to put him on any sort of pedestal?

As far as meeting celebs and M&Gs, I've met plenty of famous musicians (both in the fan and business contexts).  The ONLY person I'd pay to get personal access to would be Geddy Lee or Neil Peart (one of these days when I visit Toronto, I will make sure it's during baseball season and would seriously consider buying tickets on Stubhub in the area where Geddy's seats are).  I was never aware of any Rush M&G opportunities, but I might think about it if Rush every performed again (or maybe if Geddy does something on his own), and I wouldn't pay anything over $5-10 for some custom recorded message, but it would be a cool gift for the right person.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on May 31, 2019, 01:00:08 PM
Personally I think paying for the opportunity to speak to or hear from anyone, literally anyone, is a bit odd. Though I understand why others would enjoy it.
While it's not something I would do, I can see it be pretty similar to paying to do a meet 'n' greet at a concert.

Yup. I agree. I also don't understand those.

I mean, I get it if it's a small artist and you want to financially support them. But the idea of paying TO meet someone, is a bit odd to me. And I can very much understand why Neil never did those things.

Those Meet and Greet Bundles usually includes more than just meeting the band.  Early entrance (which is great if it is all GA), soundcheck, you usually get a bag of stuff (like posters).  I mean I'm paying $250.00 to not only meet my favorite band, but to hear their new album before it is out in stores, and see a brief live set and I got to fly to Florida to see the event (which won't be covered by the ticket.  I have to cover flight and stay.  No worries, I could use a vacation).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 31, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Cram, it's worth the time to scroll through and see who charges what.  There weren't many that interested me, but I have to admit, there was small part of me that was interested in a message from Charlie Sheen or Ice-T for three and a half bills.  Dee Snider for $200 is a steal.

Some make me scratch my head though;   $500 for Brett Favre, but $525 for Chris Harrison (the dude from "The Bachelor")??

I was about 2/3 of the way through, and I thought "hmm, they range from $7 (some soccer player) to about $550 (Brian Urlacher)... all reasonable.   Then... Caitlyn Jenner, $2,500, by FAR the highest (there's no one else over $600 as far as I can tell).   Who's paying that???

There's a guy from SHARK TANK that goes for $999 USD
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 31, 2019, 01:19:41 PM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!

 :rollin

I am in
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2019, 01:20:02 PM
What's with all the hate for Dee Snider?  I'm not paying more than $5 for ANYONE, but if I was, $200 is a steal for Dee. 

I'm going to get shit for this, but I view him as a modern day, much less profilic, Frank Zappa.

It's not hate, just shock that anyone would pay that to a guy whose band literally had 1 hit (and a pretty minor one at that).

Snider does seem like a cool guy when I've see him speak on those specials VH1 used to do, but $200? Come on, now.

Well, ignoring the $200 part (I'm not doing that either) but if you were in the tri-state area in that time (early 80's) TS and Dee are way more than a one-hit-wonder (and it was two:  I Wanna Rock and We're Not Gonna Take It).   To have gotten wind of a club show from the next state over in the pre-internet age was a fairly uncommon occurrence, but I can remember going to Toad's Place - a small club in New Haven, DT has played there 5, 6 times - and the bouncer's talking about how they hoped tonight wasn't going to be like a "Twisted Sister show".   Plus his story - rags to riches to rags to riches - and his time as a radio host, his testimony to Congress and his long-successful marriage make him an interesting guy.  He's not a typical rock and roll casualty, and I find that interesting. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 31, 2019, 01:29:57 PM
The guy was also all over VH1 for awhile on their shows.  He's super recognizable even if their music is not (although their two hits, yes two, were pretty big and very recognizable).  From what I've seen though, he just seems like a real down to earth legit guy and I respect that.  And to relate to the other thread about Rob, even saying I think it's lame he calls himself metal god while using a teleprompter, I still respect him for the same reasons I respect Dee.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2019, 01:37:38 PM
really enough to put him on any sort of pedestal?

I know for me, it's not about "pedestal".  I just find people interesting, and part of that is how people deal with fame (both coming and going).   I'm also interested in how people (and to be fair, the media) distort other people based on non-personal things.   Case in point: Gene Simmons.  Ask various people and they will tell you "asshole, dick, arrogant, all about the money and the p****" and they've never met the man.  I've met him twice - did not pay for either - and both times he was BEYOND what you could or should expect from a celebrity and his time.  Personable, comfortable, engaging, polite.   In one case, when I met the band at Cutler's Records in New Haven before the Lick It Up show, he ignored two gorgeous women (who were talking to Paul) to talk with me.  I shit you not.   

Mike prides himself on being a man of the people, fans first, and yet when I met him, he was friendly, but it was like talking to someone waiting for the bus.  As soon as the bus comes, you kind of know the conversation is over.    Billy Squier? Exactly the opposite.   We actually got into a (reasonably) deep conversation about the music business, his catalogue and what makes him happy (he actually said "this makes me happy", the "this" being standing in the lobby of the Ridgefield Playhouse after his gig talking with about twenty fans like it was a tailgate).   I was blown away by how smart, engaging, and open he was.   I actually left the conversation because I felt like I wanted to end it before it collapsed if that makes sense.   

I never met Springsteen, but I was very close to him once in New York City, and I was almost mesmerized by how he conducts himself.  He literally walks in poses.  Meaning, he is so aware that people are watching him that he will walk a few steps, and even while conducting a conversation will stop and sort of "frame himself" for those taking pictures, then continue walking, then "frame".  It's almost impossible to explain without actually seeing it, but it's fascinating.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on May 31, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
Oh man, Twisted Sister is absolutely a two hit wonder band. I heard Stay Hungry once and it's one of the worst rock albums I've ever heard if you exclude those hits, and that's not an exaggeration. Dee's a really cool dude, however. His 30 second stints on Chappelle's Show are better than his whole music career though.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2019, 02:43:58 PM
The first album, "Under The Blade" comes in two versions (ala Motley's first album, Too Fast For Love).   They're both good, both have their upsides and downsides (I prefer the rawer, first version, rather than the remix), but the real gem is the next one, "You Can't Stop Rock and Roll".   Unbelievable record, if you're asking me. 

There's also a re-recorded version of Stay Hungry (called "Still Hungry") that is good, too.  I mean if you don't like it, you don't like it.   But in my humble opinion, TS is way better than just two campy over-played videos on MTV. 
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Post by: TAC on May 31, 2019, 02:52:24 PM
Oh man, Twisted Sister is absolutely a two hit wonder band. I heard Stay Hungry once and it's one of the worst rock albums I've ever heard if you exclude those hits, and that's not an exaggeration. Dee's a really cool dude, however. His 30 second stints on Chappelle's Show are better than his whole music career though.  :lol

Stay Hungry is awesome, man.

But Stadler is right. You can't stop Rock n Roll is where it's at.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 01, 2019, 01:50:01 PM
Personally I think paying for the opportunity to speak to or hear from anyone, literally anyone, is a bit odd. Though I understand why others would enjoy it.

The one time I did it was when I was in line to see Nightwish and Kamelot and they offered ticket upgrades which included a meet and greet. I took it, but mostly just to get into the venue early and ensure a front row seat.

I'd love to meet bands, but I ain't paying for it. They're people.

This seems to be more about the platform than Mike. My guess is someone approached Mike and he agreed to do it

In time, this might go the way of Tweet Secret. But as with that, this isn't something that would interest me, although there may be some appeal to it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 02, 2019, 12:13:18 PM
Shared by Mike just about half an hour ago:
Quote
MP Gratitude Post & 2019 Update

Coming off the incredible back to back tours with The Winery Dogs and NMB, I’ve been thinking about how much gratitude I have for this amazing journey of music I’ve had over the last many years...

I’m currently in 6 different bands and couldn’t be prouder of the music I’ve written and performed in each and every one of them...and above all, the absolutely outstanding musicians I get to work with in each of them...

Thank you Neal Morse, Steve Morse, Dave La Rue, Casey McPherson, Pete Trewavas, Roine Stolt, Randy George, Bill Hubauer, Eric Gillette, Billy Sheehan, Richie Kotzen, Ron Bumblefoot Thal, Derek Sherinian, Jeff Scott Soto, Mark Menghi, David Ellefson and Alex Skolnick for enriching my musical life for the past many years!

(Also to the members of Twisted Sister, Avenged Sevenfold, Adrenaline Mob, The Shattered Fortress, Bigelf, PSMS, LTE and of course last but certainly not least Dream Theater for all the years we played together as well...)

As crazy as my career has been for the last decade, 2019 looks to be the first year I will actually have some activity with ALL SIX of my current bands...

THE WINERY DOGS:
Myself, Richie & Billy just wrapped up a month-long US Tour after having taken a 3 year hiatus...and we had an absolute blast each and every night!
The playing chemistry in this band is off the charts and we are committed to getting back together for a new album and full world tour as soon as we can coordinate our schedules again.

SONS OF APOLLO:
In January myself, Derek & Bumblefoot got together to write and track all of the music for SOA2. We are currently working with Jeff on writing/tracking all of the vocals and then Billy will begin his bass tracks as well...SOA2 is currently pencilled in for a Jan 2020 release with a World Tour to follow.

In the meantime, I have been working on the final touches for the SOA “Live with the Plovdiv Psychotic Symphony” Blu-ray/DVD/CD release that will be coming out in August. An absolutely incredible package that captured one of the most incredible concerts of my career: playing at this beautiful Roman Amphitheater with a Symphony orchestra and choir doing a very special setlist including covers from Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rainbow, Ozzy, Aerosmith and Van Halen!

NEAL MORSE BAND:
After having toured North America and Europe extensively in the first half of 2019 for the epic double concept album The Great Adventure, we are now putting the finishing touches on the live release of the Great AdvenTOUR filmed in Brno, Czech Republic. We will also do one final performance of TGA (along with Choir, strings and horns) at this year’s Morsefest in Nashville this coming August.

FLYING COLORS:
After our surprise appearance during my solo set on this year’s Cruise To The Edge, the long awaited 3rd album from FC (entitled “Third Degree”) is finally coming out this September! Many years in the making, we cannot wait to finally unleash this latest master work...and we are able to manage to play some very select shows in the US and Europe between Aug and Dec...(and an official appearance on Cruise To The Edge 2020) please travel to come see us as these are the ONLY shows we are able to schedule at this time! But I can’t wait to play again with this absolutely magical band!

TRANSATLANTIC:
After a surprise appearance during my solo set on CTTE that included myself, Neal, Roine & Ted Leonard (just missing Pete who wasn’t available), could the TA mothership be ready to fly again?? It’s been 5 years since Kaleidoscope...hmmmm 🧐😎

METAL ALLEGIANCE:
For all my fellow metal heads, there’s my metal outlet MA...we’ve already played some incredible shows in 2019 kicking off with our annual Anaheim appearance in January w myself, David Ellefson (Megadeth), Alex Skolnick (Testament), Mark Menghi, Phil Demmel (Machine Head), Andreas Kisser (Sepultura), Mark Osegueda (Death Angel), Bobby Blitz (Overkill), John Bush (Anthrax), Alissa White-Gluz (Arch Enemy) & Trevor Strnad (Black Dalia Murder)...and 4 west coast shows in April that also included Chuck Billy (Testament), Troy Sanders (Mastodon), the guys from Exodus, Flotsam & Jetsam, Sacred Reich, Max Cavalera & Nita Strauss...

Thank you everybody for allowing me to have this amazing career and continuing to support my musical journey....


A hint for Transatlantic?!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2019, 01:03:09 PM
For me, he's everywhere, but nowhere. Out of everything he's involved with, there's nothing I dig.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on June 02, 2019, 01:28:53 PM
For me, he's everywhere, but nowhere. Out of everything he's involved with, there's nothing I dig.

I’m on the same boat as you. SoA was ok, live was better but nothing earth breaking. First Winery Dogs was very good but the 2nd oke felt like a Richie solo album. I’ve been burned out by Neal Morse right so haven’t checked out the last two or three albums from him. Not interested in MA at all. The first FC album was pretty strong but for me, the second album was a massive letdown. Felt like a Transatlantic or Neal Morse album (missed Bill Evans producing). And even though I enjoy Transatlantic a lot, Kaleidoscope was very formulaic bringing nothing to the table.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on June 02, 2019, 05:26:51 PM
For me, he's everywhere, but nowhere. Out of everything he's involved with, there's nothing I dig.

I feel the same but more power to him if he is happy doing what he is doing. I'm exhausted just reading that post.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 02, 2019, 09:40:57 PM
For me, he's everywhere, but nowhere. Out of everything he's involved with, there's nothing I dig.

Same here. Out of his post-DT projects, AMOB, TWD and MA never grabbed me (I didn't even bother to check MA past the first single they released, just not interested at all).

The thing with the other bands he's currently in is that 3 out of 4 have Neal Morse in them and are basically written, produced, recorded and mixed by the same group of people (mostly), and Mike even uses the same kit and configuration on every NM related album he records. At the end, it all blurs together and sounds too samey for the most part. I'd rather have him focus on less, but more varied bands and actually take time to build them, as opposed to the album/tour/2 year hiatus cycle he seems to have going on for each band. That way, he ends up with a bunch of smaller bands, instead of a couple bigger acts. But he should do whatever he's happy with, I guess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2019, 09:14:31 AM
Mixed bag for me.  If I had to rank them according to excitement level, it would look something like this:

1.  Sons of Apollo:  VERY excited.  This isn't my favorite MP project.  But given the combined mix of its quality AND rarity, it tops the list for me right now.  Looking forward to the live release quite a bit.  The tour was fantastic, so I'm happy to relive it, even if this presentation will be different.  I have high hopes for the second release.  The only way it could be better is if they replaced that cancer of a keyboardist.  But we can't have everything.

2.  NMB:  My favorite of the bunch.  The only thing that knocks this down a peg is just the pure saturation that comes from Neal being so prolific.

3.  TA:  Cautiously optimistic.  The Whirlwind is my #3 all time album.  The first two aren't too far behind that.  But I didn't connect with the last one much.  It's still quality.  But the..."magic" just wasn't there for some reason.

4.  FC:  Not excited about it, but I'll probably buy it, listen a couple of times, and break out out every now and then.  But not something that I would expect to burn up the play list.

5.  Metal Allegiance:  Little interest.  But the names involved have always intrigued me, so it's possible I may check it out at some point.  But I doubt I'll buy it.  Probably just see the odd song or video on YT.

6.  TWD:  No interest at all.  The first album bored me after the first couple of token listens.  The second bored me even faster.  I just have no interest in this project at all, and don't intend to buy it unless I hear something that unexpectedly floors me and changes my opinion 180 degrees.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2019, 10:04:33 AM
I've said this before, but my problem is that his time in Dream Theater was Sons/Transatlantic/FC/Winery Dogs/MA/TNMB all rolled into one, so for me the "segmentation" is the sticking point.  When I read "my metal outlet", I cringe, because for me, the best music, the music that has transcended the years, has always been that which doesn't give a f*** about genre or style and just follows the muse.

Having said that, my order:

1. Flying Colors - This is the material I come back to most. That first album... whoa. 
1a. The Neal Morse Band - I like the songs of FC better, but this is where the playing is. This is probably the best example of "throw all the genres into a blender and see what happens".
2. Transatlantic - Could go either way, but I like the quasi-Genesis vibe to it.
3. Sons Of Apollo - Good, better live, but could have been so much better.  I'm waiting for the second album, at least in part to see what they feel needed improvement, and what they are doubled down on.
4. The Winery Dogs - Eh.  Great musicians, but music that does little for me.
5. Metal Allegiance - I almost went to a show at Toad's Place (700 seat club) and bailed when the Meet and Greets were no longer being sold.  I know the players are great, but it seems too genre generic to me. I haven't paid my "allegiance" to "metal" since I was 19. 

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on June 03, 2019, 10:06:59 AM
Ya'll are killing me with the Neal Morse love but none for the Dogs. "Regret" is better than literally anything I've ever heard from Neal!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2019, 10:09:20 AM
And "regret" is all I'm filled with when I put on TWD and I could have put on TNMB instead.   :) 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on June 03, 2019, 10:10:57 AM
And "regret" is all I'm filled with when I put on TWD and I could have put on TNMB instead.   :)

Touché. :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2019, 10:13:11 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
I only care about SOA and TWD, TWD were AWESOME this past tour so seeing that they are committed to making new music, even if we dont know when, is positive.  SOA 2nd album is becoming pretty anticipated by me.  I didn't love the first album but the live show was so damn good that I kind of got sucked into being a SOA fan and look to see if they can improve because they have the talent and ability to make something really good.

The rest of his bands are of no interest to me. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on June 03, 2019, 10:22:07 AM
TWD/TA
NMB

SOA

FC
MA

It's all about the music. WD and TA are both sounds I like. NMB is hit/miss. SOA is more hiss than mit, but the potential is certainly there. FC just never clicked with me. A little too sappy for my taste. I don't even know WTF MA is, honestly.


edit:
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2019, 10:26:29 AM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Agreed.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2019, 12:02:37 PM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Agreed.  :biggrin:

I actually didnt even see this, but yes, I'd pitch in.  Considering what he told me in person about here I'd be interested to see his reaction when he sees we paid for him to say something  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2019, 12:15:57 PM
I'm in for 50 cents. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 03, 2019, 02:05:38 PM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Agreed.  :biggrin:

I actually didnt even see this, but yes, I'd pitch in.  Considering what he told me in person about here I'd be interested to see his reaction when he sees we paid for him to say something  :lol

I'm in..... love the idea
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 03, 2019, 02:13:37 PM
My take on the bands

The Neal Morse Band
Some of the best music around these days both in studio and live.

Transatlantic
Love them but don't listen that much nowadays.... would probabl change if a new one was released

Flying Colors
Eagerly awIting the third album and would love to see them live. With only four shows in europe chances are slim though.

The Winery Dogs
Kinda like the first one when I hear it but have little interest in them.

Sons of Apollo
First album did nothing for me will give the second a chance but my expectations are low.

Metal Alliegiance
Not my cup of tea
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 03, 2019, 04:20:36 PM
I'll pitch in my thoughts on the Six Bands Of Portnoy Separation:

-Flying Colors: Third Degree has been nearly 2 years in the making, I think, so I'm hoping they took their time to craft some well written songs, and the more the merrier. I wouldn't mind a mix of the best parts of FC and SN to give TD the best of both!

-Transatlantic: I'm probably the most excited for this as I've been pretty hopeful and vocal about wanting the band to reconvene. I think they feel like they have just one more album in them, and I think it will be better than Kaleidoscope (though personally, I really enjoyed Kaleidoscope, but it's still my fourth favorite TA album).

-The Neal Morse Band: After the upcoming live album and Morsefest 2019, it seems like this will be put on the back-burner for both Mike AND Neal (who will probably do another solo acoustic tour of some sort, or work on another singer-songwriter album, or both). Both of them will be busy with their short-lived FC Tour in the fall, and then probably TA Sessions and that eventual tour, so I feel like NMB will go on a short hiatus, giving Eric probably some more time to promote his own work. I wouldn't mind seeing Randy and/or Bill put something out, too.

-Sons Of Apollo: I only kind of enjoyed the debut album, but I'll be honest, I never gave it too much of a listen. The upcoming live album looks neat and the cover choices seem right up their alley, so I might check it out and get the BD (and if I enjoy it a lot, pick up the CD as well).  Beyond that, I'm not overly excited for their second album quite yet because the first didn't grab me so much, but the second album might do better for me.

-The Winery Dogs: I didn't really get into this band all that much. This kind of 2000's hard rock just hasn't really hooked me, despite featuring one of my favorite drummers of all time. I'm not very excited to hear much more from them, but if they're all happy making that music and touring together, then good for them. As far as Portnoy/Sheehan team-ups go, I prefer SOA over TWD.

-Metal Allegiance: Definitely not my cup of tea. As much as I love progressive metal, the straight-up metal scene hasn't been my bag, so this isn't quite for me. It feels like this was MP's replacement for AMOB, as far as hard and heavy metal/rock goes, and AMOB never really appealed to me, so I never bothered to give this one a chance.

MP sure likes to keep busy, and he couldn't keep 2 or 3 bands busy enough for him to stay busy, even with three of them including Neal Morse (who probably needs breaks himself), so if he wants to keep juggling six bands to fill his time, more power to him. Honestly, it just means than his fans have more of a chance to see him on tour with a band that might appeal to their specific tastes. I'm sure there were (and still are) metal heads who went to DT concerts for the heavy stuff but groaned at the ballads, and other DT fans who loved the complicated, epic proggy stuff but didn't really connect with the straight-up metal influences. Now these MP fans can enjoy those certain styles and genres with specific bands that MP is involved with. For me, that means the NM-bands are the ones I gravitate towards because that's the kind of MP-involved music I love.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2019, 04:34:59 PM
OK...

Flying Colors- I only heard the first album. It had some of the worst vocals I've ever heard. I thought it was brutally boring. I heard Steve Morse was on this, but I think it was only a rumor.

Transatlantic-Nothing bad to say about this, but this kind of prog music is just not my cup of tea.

Neal Morse Band-I am intrigued and respect the heck out of this. At some point, I'll give them an honest listen, and everything I've heard has been OK.

Sons Of Apollo-Yawn. I seriously could not get into their first album. I expect the second one, which I will definitely look forward to, will be much better after many live shows under their belt.

Winery Dogs-I listened to their first album, and thought it just might be one of the most uninteresting rock records. So blah. The recent live footage looks great, but this is a glorified club band.

Metal Allegiance- I'm a metal guy, but I have ZERO interest in this, unless of course if John Bush is singing. A bunch of metal guys doing metal covers. Puleeze.


I actually liked the first A-Mob album.



This is what I feared when MP left. I loved Dream Theater and MP, and all that he did to make things special, was the number one reason.  But he has basically fallen off the map musically for me. I think it sucks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2019, 04:48:05 PM
Sons Of Apollo-Yawn. I seriously could not get into their first album. I expect the second one, which I will definitely look forward to, will be much better after many live shows under their belt.

I wouldn't.  I mean, they are a group of experienced musicians that wrote what they wanted to write.  I would not expect them having toured to really change much about what they will do with the next album.  It's not like this is a group of hungry new musicians that just haven't had much experience yet.  These guys know what they wanted to achieve, and they did it.  If the first one wasn't your cup of tea, what makes you think the follow up will be?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2019, 05:03:12 PM
Well, I'm sure they were very happy with it, but it was a bunch of guys getting together to bang out an album.

I feel like things like soundchecks and extensive touring sheds light on the many aspects of each other's playing that you can't get in a writing and recording session. I feel like that energy has to creep into their writing for the next album.



Bosk, you pick on the one positive thing I said in my post. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 03, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
Sons Of Apollo-Yawn. I seriously could not get into their first album. I expect the second one, which I will definitely look forward to, will be much better after many live shows under their belt.

I wouldn't.  I mean, they are a group of experienced musicians that wrote what they wanted to write.  I would not expect them having toured to really change much about what they will do with the next album.  It's not like this is a group of hungry new musicians that just haven't had much experience yet.  These guys know what they wanted to achieve, and they did it.  If the first one wasn't your cup of tea, what makes you think the follow up will be?

Sorry, but I don't think this is entirely accurate. With the exception of GOTS, which was fully written by Derek before their writing sessions, they had like about a week, two at max, to write everything as fast as they could before hitting their dedline for the recording. This was discussed a lot back when the album was being released, but I don't think they had much time to "write what they wanted to write", but rather write what they could write in that short timeframe. Am I assuming that? Sure, but things like the chorus melody on Coming Home being almost note for note the same as the one in Alive, and some abrupt transitions from one section to another on the longer songs don't help their case at all.

Don't get me wrong, the album got much better to me when I removed the tracks that I didn't like (CH, Alive, FW and DA, and OM might be gone soon too) and now I see it as a good "EP" and I still listen to it every once in a while, but there's clear signs that this album could've been a lot better if they actually took time to craft each song and let JSS work more on the vocal melodies.

Hopefully they do things differently on the next record, and I'm actually looking forward to it. As much as I dislike Derek as a person, I think the Sherinian/Portnoy/Thal trio CAN write pretty good music if they pour enough time and passion into it, not just rush a bunch of disjointed tunes and call it an album. My hope is that they lean more towards the proggier side this time and don't release an album with a bunch of songs that sound like Coming Home.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2019, 09:47:51 PM
That seems to be a trend with some of his projects for a while now.  Get in the studio, get it over with quickly, and move on, rather than taking the time to craft the songs perfectly.  The exceptions are often the albums with Neal Morse, because Neal is not the kind of guy who is happy with doing a rough draft of a song and saying, "Okay, good enough, let's move on."  I wasn't much of a fan of the SoA album, but it had some cool parts here and there. and I can't help but wonder if I would have liked it more if more care had been taken to craft the songs.  Sure, sometimes that quick approach can result in magic, like the LTE records, but an album like the SoA sounded clunky and undercooked.  It didn't help that I was not a fan of the singer or the vocal melodies (not that either was bad, just kind of there), but sometimes you have to spend a little time on crafting your art.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 03, 2019, 10:23:27 PM
And even the LTE stuff had some tracks that weren't... good (Three Minute Warning, for example). Mike's quantity over quality approach gives us, the fans, a lot of stuff to listen to, but it doesn't mean it's all good or worth keeping imo.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2019, 06:40:54 AM
Sons Of Apollo-Yawn. I seriously could not get into their first album. I expect the second one, which I will definitely look forward to, will be much better after many live shows under their belt.

I wouldn't.  I mean, they are a group of experienced musicians that wrote what they wanted to write.  I would not expect them having toured to really change much about what they will do with the next album.  It's not like this is a group of hungry new musicians that just haven't had much experience yet.  These guys know what they wanted to achieve, and they did it.  If the first one wasn't your cup of tea, what makes you think the follow up will be?

So a group of people who had never played together before as a band spends a year on the road together and you wouldn't expect them to be able to write a better album this time around?  I don't understand that reasoning at all, although sure if they went in with the same mentality then maybe, but since they already were working on stuff in the winter and not coming back to it for a bit, it seems they already showed they aren't doing the same process.  They also advertised themselves as the best prog metal band out there before they even finished the album and eventually wrote more of a heavy metal album with prog influences.  Maybe they have found their style a bit more too now.  There's a whole lot of questions about them but to think they couldn't change and improve because they have a year of time together is kind of odd to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2019, 07:48:32 AM
I tend to agree with bosky's characterization.  These are all road-hardened, professional musicians.  Yeah, they spent some time together on the road, but if they weren't with each other, they would have just been with other people.  It's a side gig for all of them, and all of those road dates were "just another gig".

I'm sure the second album will be fine, if you liked the first one, but I wouldn't expect any breakthroughs or major changes. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2019, 07:54:11 AM
Well, that's just it. The first record screamed "side gig".

Maybe the second album will be worse. I just don't see how that would be possible after spending the last year playing with each other.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
I don't think "better" or "worse" are meaningful descriptions.  I just don't see it being vastly different.  And that's fine.  It was a great album.  If you liked the first one, I'm guessing there will be plenty to like with the next one.  If you didn't like it, the next one probably won't be for you either. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 04, 2019, 08:21:53 AM
^Yeah^
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2019, 01:11:52 PM
Oh I don't expect it to be different, but I'd expect it to be better written.  The first album being written so quickly was clearly shown in the music, IMO.  It sounds like they didn't work out the songs well enough.  I mean, it wasn't bad, but they could have took what they had, worked on it more and improved to make a better album.  I'd expect them to find their groove a bit more on round 2.  I'm sure they are aware of the criticism of the first album too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2019, 01:26:41 PM
And even the LTE stuff had some tracks that weren't... good (Three Minute Warning, for example). Mike's quantity over quality approach gives us, the fans, a lot of stuff to listen to, but it doesn't mean it's all good or worth keeping imo.

To be fair, Three Minute Warning was an improvised jam, and there is even a warning on the CD sleeve about it, so not sure that is a fair one to single out.  And I say that as someone who really likes Three Minute Warning for what it is.  That whole first LTE record is flawless, and the second one is nearly flawless as well, IMO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 04, 2019, 02:16:50 PM
Looks like I'm in the minority in that I actually like Metal Allegiance but even then, it's not a very big interest.

The only other project I like is SoA and that is very moderately.

I really don't care for Neal's voice and I can't stand Eric Gillette's. I'm a relatively big Steve Morse fan, at least in regards to his work Deep Purple, but even that can't get me too interested in Flying Colors.

Lastly, TWD just never did anything for me.

I'm most inclined to give FC or Trans another chance on a rainy day. My friend copied me some of their stuff (which I would buy if I liked) and there were a few interesting things in there.

TWD and NMB are the only two i give a solid and firm "pass" in regards to ever caring.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 04, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
I liked when Metal Allegiance did that video for We Rock.

If they did that, you know, big fun covers with a ton of big names, I'd buy all of it. But original music from those guys is REALLY generic.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 04, 2019, 02:28:01 PM
Guess I'll play.

Flying Colors - Love the first album. Lukewarm on the second, but Cosmic Symphony is my favorite song from them. Saw them on their last tour and it was amazing.

Transatlantic - Love them immensely. Seen them a couple of times live now. Never dissappoint.

Neal Morse Band - NMB has been hit and miss. First album was okay. Similitude didn't grab me but I love The Great Adventure.

Sons Of Apollo - Liked it. Need to see what the second coming brings.

Winery Dogs - Loved the first album. Second didn't grab me at all. Saw them live and they totally bring it.

Metal Allegiance - First record blew me away. I expected little and ended up loving it. The second album garnered the feeling I thought I'd have for the first. Good, but not great.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 04, 2019, 04:45:15 PM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Agreed.  :biggrin:

MP just posted:

"Use the code: DADSDAY for 10% off... "

Now we need to start pitching and get it done.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 04, 2019, 09:06:40 PM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Agreed.  :biggrin:

MP just posted:

"Use the code: DADSDAY for 10% off... "

Now we need to start pitching and get it done.

I'll contribute $2.50
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 05, 2019, 06:33:49 AM
We should all pitch in a dollar and have MP send DTF a greeting!
This idea shouldn't have been abandoned so quickly.
Agreed.  :biggrin:

MP just posted:

"Use the code: DADSDAY for 10% off... "

Now we need to start pitching and get it done.

I'll contribute $2.50

Me too
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 05, 2019, 10:03:11 AM
Count me in. Can someone create a fundraiser or something? :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 05, 2019, 10:36:39 AM
Count me in. Can someone create a fundraiser or something? :lol

Just do it......
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 05, 2019, 10:54:18 AM
I have no idea how, man. I hoped someone would be more well-versed in these kind of things.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on June 05, 2019, 11:41:04 AM
I liked when Metal Allegiance did that video for We Rock.

If they did that, you know, big fun covers with a ton of big names, I'd buy all of it. But original music from those guys is REALLY generic.

That has been my only complaint.  They get awesome singers, both on the records and live.  I'm sure the live shows are amazing, with that many big-name guests doing really cool covers.

But the songwriting on the albums doesn't challenge any of these singers.  They write songs that are fully geared toward these singers' primary bands.  Max Cavalera?  Let's give him a song that sounds like Soulfly or Sepultura.  Chuck Billy?  He gets a thrash song identical to Testament.  I wish they'd make these singers do something a little different, or have more duets at least.


As for MP's projects, I only enjoy Sons of Apollo and Metal Allegiance.  I haven't ever listened to any of his other bands and don't see myself ever wanting to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on June 05, 2019, 12:16:09 PM
Count me in. Can someone create a fundraiser or something? :lol

Just do it......

https://www.gofundme.com/sign-up
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on June 05, 2019, 12:32:23 PM
Just spent 15 minutes setting this up and filling up the data only to discover you have to be an American citizen to set this up and then withdraw the money without complications. Well shit, good luck with this then.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Bands I love in no order

Liquid Tension Experiment
Flying Colors
Transatlantic
Neal Morse/Band
Tribute Bands
Macalpine, Sherinian, Sheehan, Portnoy

Bands I like.

Winery Dogs


Bands that are  indifferent to me so far.

Sons Of Apollo

Metal Allegiance

Shattered Fortress

Bands I'm just not into

AMob

Avenged

Big Elf






Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on June 27, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
Something a little different from Mike:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/3102552533095701?s=100000056893649&sfns=mo
A solo band playing songs from all his bands?

Hey Brazil! 🇧🇷
Looks who’s coming to play some special shows in Oct/Nov 😎

RedEMpTiON ToUr
NOTURNALL + MIKE PORTNOY 
Feat. EDU FALASCHI
A historical evening!!!

Legendary drummer MIKE PORTNOY (EX-DREAM THEATER / THE WINERY DOGS / SONS OF APOLLO / TRANSATLANTIC), reencounter his ADRENALINE MOB former band mate, the fantastic guitar player MIKE ORLANDO, and both will join one of the biggest bands of the Brazilian Metal scene, NOTURNALL, to play ONLY BIG CLASSIC HITS! Also joining them on stage is iconic singer EDU FALASCHI as special guest!

And the night will be even more spectacular with the magic of WANDER RABELO.

All of this will be recorded for a DVD that will also capture EVERY SHOW OF EVERY CITY OF THE TOUR, crossing Brazil coast to coast!

The shows:
MiKe PoRTnOY
The legendary drummer is back to Brazil, as a special guest to NOTURNALL to perform some CLASSIC HITS of his career!
PORTNOY will go back in time and play the several hits of his career, adding a very special surprise for the Brazilian audience...
Get your ears and heart ready for a historic night!!!

NoTuRNaLL
The band returns on stage after the successful tour in Russia with the American band DISTURBED to present the new album, "COSMIC REDEMPTION".
Known for Hollywood-like refinement shows,
NOTURNALL will not disappoint this time, besides presenting the new "Zombie Exotic Dancer"
LARISSA MIOTO, the band will also bring on stage Magician WANDER RABELO, with the most super-produced illusionistic show of the history of the band. And all of that will be properly captured for a DVD RECORDING directed by the renowned ALEX BATISTA!!!

EdU FaLaSCHi
(SpEciAL GuEsT)
And to make everything even more perfect,
EDU FALASCHI will join the team to brighten up the night with some classic of his own!
In addition to showcase surprise songs from his own career, he will join THIAGO BIANCHI for an exciting tribute in honor of ANDRE MATOS.

GuESt BanDs
The Brazilian Metal Scene will sure be well represented in each city that the tour will pass, bringing in the best of the vast national barn of bands.
Three bands will open each event. They are all tuned and in sync with the evening we are about to present, both on the covers they will play as well as on the quality of their own songs. Those are going to be must-seen shows!! 
Support bands still to confirm.

ToUr DaTEs:
Thursday  – 31 Oct  – FORTALEZA (Armazém)
Friday      – 01  Nov – BH (Mister Rock)
Saturday  – 02 Nov  – BRASILIA (C. de Convenções)
Sunday     – 03 Nov  – GOIANIA (Bolshoi)
Thursday – 07 Nov  – SÃO PAULO (Tropical Butantã)
Friday      – 08 Nov  – RIO DE JANEIRO (TBC)
Saturday  – 09 Nov  – LIMEIRA (Bar da Montanha)
Sunday     – 10  Nov – PORTO ALEGRE (Opinião)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on June 27, 2019, 10:11:24 PM
I saw that devieira and thought it was interesting.  Noternall did a similar thing with James LaBrie last year right?

Do you think Edu will be on stage at the same time as MP at all? I'm guessing not unless it's to perform MP stuff - I don't see MP learning Angra songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on June 27, 2019, 10:52:19 PM
...besides presenting the new "Zombie Exotic Dancer"

Color me intrigued.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bolsters on June 28, 2019, 12:08:21 AM
It's weird reading that with the use of aBNorMaL CapiTAliSAtIOn because it's obvious he doesn't know what it means. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2019, 05:38:46 AM
I saw that devieira and thought it was interesting.  Noternall did a similar thing with James LaBrie last year right?

Do you think Edu will be on stage at the same time as MP at all? I'm guessing not unless it's to perform MP stuff - I don't see MP learning Angra songs.

Right, JLB played with Noturnall, within their set, last year. They played 2 JLB songs and PMU. But I guess that this will be a bit different, with MP making a whole set with songs of his career, possibly with his own band. It would be cool if MP played with Noturnall something from Angra, maybe one of the more progressive ones from Temple of Shadows or Acqua (a personal favorite).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 08:09:10 AM
I don't think I'd have much interest in this eventual DVD.  I dont understand why they are even doing this, just seems weird since JLB has already worked with Noturnall and MP is back to just doing his old music? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on June 28, 2019, 08:19:11 AM
Well it's Noturnall's tour and it's probably a pretty big deal for them to have Portnoy and Edu Falashi as guests.  So they want to document it. 

It's not like Portnoy said "if I play with you, we need to make a DVD!" 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 08:30:44 AM
Yea, I'm sure it's a big deal for them.  But it's not for me and that's fine.  If MP wants to do his old music again, I'd rather him play with his Shattered Fortress band again personally because that show was kick ass and those guys are all fantastic.  The stuff I've seen of JLB with Noturnall has mostly been bad.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 28, 2019, 08:32:19 AM
Wasn't Noturnall that band that had JLB in a masked costume to enter in?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2019, 09:44:20 AM
The shows with JLB were also recorded for a live DVD, and iirc, it was never released. Noturnall just went through a BIG lineup change where 3 out of 5 members suddenly left, and that might have something to do with the band never releasing it. I see this as them still wanting to put out a live album in a similar vein to what the other one was supposed to be, but with the current lineup, and that's probably how the MP/Edu Falaschi thing came to be (speculation, of course).
Btw, if any of our brazilian friends here has more info on this, please share it with us. I've tried to understand what happened with the band, but my Portuguese knowledge isn't too good :P

About the MP part of the set, I originally understood it will be MP playing the songs with Noturnall playing the rest of the parts (same case as with JLB), nowhere in the article does it say that MP will have his own band with him or anything like that, but maybe I'm reading something wrong?

As for Edu, I expect him to come and sing a couple DT songs with them as the encore.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on June 28, 2019, 10:02:32 AM
No, I don't think you're reading it wrong. I don't think MP will have his own band, except it says Mike Orlando will be there too.

For Edu, it says he'll be doing classics of his own and participating in an Andre Matos tribute, so I'm guessing there will be two separate sets, but as you say maybe he'll do some songs for the encore of MP's set.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2019, 10:15:15 AM
No, I don't think you're reading it wrong. I don't think MP will have his own band, except it says Mike Orlando will be there too.

Mike Orlando is the new (old/rejoined) guitarist for Noturnall.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2019, 10:44:29 AM
It's weird reading that with the use of aBNorMaL CapiTAliSAtIOn because it's obvious he doesn't know what it means. :lol

It’s as if chaossystem wrote the release.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on June 28, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
No, I don't think you're reading it wrong. I don't think MP will have his own band, except it says Mike Orlando will be there too.

Mike Orlando is the new (old/rejoined) guitarist for Noturnall.

Oh OK, thanks.  Now it makes even more sense - probably a lot easier for them to get MP on board.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
It's weird reading that with the use of aBNorMaL CapiTAliSAtIOn because it's obvious he doesn't know what it means. :lol

It’s as if chaossystem wrote the release.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 22, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
Overkills' Facebook page posted a picture of Mark Menghi, Phil Demmel, Bobby Blitz, and Mike Portnoy. The headline reads more info coming soon.

Is this another Metal Allegiance or another project? I hope its a new project, should be great with that lineup.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on July 22, 2019, 09:35:38 AM
If this is true it sounds like this going to be best project MP has ever worked on.  No project will come close to this.

Itll be like Neal Morse, Pink Floyd, The Flower Kings, Dream Theater, Genesis, Adrenaline Mob, Katie Perry, Soundgraden, Metallica, Limp Bizkit all rolled into one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on July 22, 2019, 09:53:18 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 22, 2019, 09:56:34 AM
Overkills' Facebook page posted a picture of Mark Menghi, Phil Demmel, Bobby Blitz, and Mike Portnoy. The headline reads more info coming soon.

Is this another Metal Allegiance or another project? I hope its a new project, should be great with that lineup.

MP posted the picture on his Twitter. It's at his house in his studio. Said they would be there a few days working on something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on July 22, 2019, 11:07:05 AM
If this is true it sounds like this going to be best project MP has ever worked on.  O project will come close to this.

Itll be like Neal Morse, Pink Floyd, The Flower Kings, Dream Theater, Genesis, Adrenaline Mob, Katie Perry, Soundgraden, Metallica, Limp Bizkit all rolled into one.
You know, if I thought there was even a possibility of this, I'd be pumped.

But increasingly, Mike's projects are the "neo-prog stuff", the "metal" stuff, the "trad prog" stuff, the "hard rock" stuff... none of it seems to be that genre-crossing, genre-busting stuff that Dream Theater was.  The closest thing (for me, anyway) is the Flying Colors stuff. 

So I can hope, I can dream, but I feel like it's going to ultimately turn out to be generic (see the root of the word!) thrash-ish metal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on July 22, 2019, 07:25:35 PM
If this is true it sounds like this going to be best project MP has ever worked on.  O project will come close to this.

Itll be like Neal Morse, Pink Floyd, The Flower Kings, Dream Theater, Genesis, Adrenaline Mob, Katie Perry, Soundgraden, Metallica, Limp Bizkit all rolled into one.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on July 24, 2019, 04:58:37 PM
Overkills' Facebook page posted a picture of Mark Menghi, Phil Demmel, Bobby Blitz, and Mike Portnoy. The headline reads more info coming soon.

Is this another Metal Allegiance or another project? I hope its a new project, should be great with that lineup.

That wanders into territory I'm just not interested in although I'd give it a listen just to make sure.

I suppose that's where the opportunity lies these days.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on September 17, 2019, 09:54:34 AM
Hard to believe that 9 years ago MP announced he was leaving
DT. DT has rebounded nicely but honestly,  I've lost the passion for
MP and his multitude of projects. I keep trying but I'm not sure
how much longer I will keep buying music that I know won't have
any lasting impact.

Don't remember the exact date but I know it was September of 2010.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2019, 09:57:28 AM
September 8th.  I know this because my birthday is the 10th.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 17, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
September 8th.  I know this because my birthday is the 10th.

Hey! Happy late birthday buddy!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 17, 2019, 12:22:27 PM
September 8th.  I know this because my birthday is the 10th.
Mine is the 9th.  I didn't see the announcement until the morning of my birthday that year.

Happy birthday to me!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 17, 2019, 03:23:38 PM
Happy birthday to Hef, Stads, and me!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 17, 2019, 05:16:57 PM
September 8th.  I know this because my birthday is the 10th.   

Same here, I remember everything about MP leaving but nothing about my birthday from that year :lol

I was actually listening to some DT earlier today and I was thinking to myself how awesome MP's drumming is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 17, 2019, 07:11:43 PM
Happy birthday to Hef, Stads, and me!

Happy birthday to all you guys!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 17, 2019, 10:18:03 PM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 17, 2019, 10:51:28 PM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D

Some things are not meant to be shared in public, oh boy :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 17, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
I was actually listening to some DT earlier today and I was thinking to myself how awesome MP's drumming is.

I was recently listening to some live releases from MP's time in the band and this was readily apparent to me the throughout.

I do also recall seeing Mike's announcement on this forum. I don't know how long after it was made, but it was either that day or the next. My first immediate thoughts were "is this it?" Is this the end? No more music from my favorite band?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 18, 2019, 01:08:43 AM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D

Some things are not meant to be shared in public, oh boy :lol

I agree that he shouldn't overshare, but a man of his age is doing the right thing. I remember Geezer Butler saying that Ronnie James Dio strongly refused one. Check ups are always a good thing, especially when not shared online  :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on September 18, 2019, 04:09:48 AM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D

Some things are not meant to be shared in public, oh boy :lol

All joking aside, if there's even a remote possibility that his post has a positive effect on someone's health, excellent. It should never be taboo.

No doubt someone will come along to say that's not his intention but so what? He's clearly nervous about it and will benefit from the banter it caused.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 18, 2019, 05:01:51 AM
I'm not sure I want to interrupt this interesting conversation  :lol but I've been mulling over this:

I've lost the passion for
MP and his multitude of projects. I keep trying but I'm not sure
how much longer I will keep buying music that I know won't have
any lasting impact.
and MP's quote about wanting people to go to multiple shows if they can, and it just hit me that MP is maybe discovering the actual reason why there's not a lot of accomplished musicians who do this freewhelin', uh, wheel of projects thing that he is doing right now. It's a question of whether it's financially, artistically or emotionally feasible.

There's about 30-50 bands that I like enough to the point that I'm always spending money on them and talking them up everywhere. I'll buy every shirt design I like, if I see a vinyl in stock I'll order one even if it's not my favorite album, if there's a show a flight away I will consider going. A band that's not on the list will have a hard time getting my money unless they're playing in my city or I like their new album enough to buy it in physical format. I'm assuming Mike isn't hurting for money, so I'll move on to my next point.

It must be very hard for Mike to transition from meeting people who have Majesty logo tattoos and who talk about loving his lyrics to ACOS to... still meeting all the same people 10 years after he quit Dream Theater, but a dwindling number of them as he just hasn't had a prog metal project that captured the imagination of his fanbase to that extent. It must feel very hurtful to him, and he must dismiss it as people just being haters, because how else is he supposed to feel about that? But that's the way it is. You have the fanbase you have and they like what they like, and for most of them, it's not hard rock, lyrical Christian soft prog or thrash metal. Hey, it could be worse: half of the people lamenting the loss of Kevin Moore's artistic genius all over DT's Youtube comments aren't even aware he has published albums since leaving the band.

If you asked most Mike Portnoy fans to name their top three Mike Portnoy albums, 9/10 would list DT albums, and the remaining person would list one Transatlantic along with their two fave DT albums. Most famous musicians don't really give a crap if they'll surpass their masterpiece in the eyes of the public; they are happy to have a masterpiece to their name. But Mike has been out to prove himself. Sadly, it's just unlikely that he'll be in a band that's as loved and acclaimed as Dream Theater because there aren't many bands like that to begin with.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 18, 2019, 07:26:09 AM
To add to Mora's (excellent) post - DT spent, what, 2 years sitting on the music for Images & Words, just trying to find a singer who would do the music justice? Now Mike struggles to practice one section for 30 minutes. At his age he's not going to put the same amount of blood, sweat, and tears into his work no matter what he says, and divying all that work up amongst a bunch of projects which only serves to divide his fanbase more (do I go to Winery Dogs? or Neal Morse? or Flying Colors? what about the other 20 bands I want to see but can't afford to see them all? etc.). Not many 50+ year olds have that fire of a young extremely hungry 20-something with nothing but fresh ideas and a desire to play.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2019, 08:51:21 AM
Happy birthday to Hef, Stads, and me!

Happy birthday to all you guys!

And Happy Birthday to my brothers here.  Cheers!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
Happy birthday to Hef, Stads, and me!

Happy birthday to all you guys!

And Happy Birthday to my brothers here.  Cheers!

A great month for birthdays, I must say, right Cram?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on September 18, 2019, 10:44:50 AM
January is better.  :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 18, 2019, 11:09:35 AM
MP is doing so many things right now, I can't seem to keep up.  The guy is just non-stop go go go...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 18, 2019, 06:28:29 PM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D

He's all good! He did post a pic, but it was of the monitor with his record and stats up. As someone that works in healthcare, I know better than to violate HIPAA.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2019, 06:38:25 PM
September 8th.  I know this because my birthday is the 10th.

September 10th was when Test For Echo was released in 1996, but I'm sure you don't need to know that. Oh...and belated Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2019, 06:40:43 PM
September 8th.  I know this because my birthday is the 10th.
Mine is the 9th.  I didn't see the announcement until the morning of my birthday that year.

Happy birthday to me!

Happy Birthday!  September 9th 1982 was when Signals was released, but probably didn't need to know that either!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2019, 06:46:13 PM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D

Some things are not meant to be shared in public, oh boy :lol

All joking aside, if there's even a remote possibility that his post has a positive effect on someone's health, excellent. It should never be taboo.

No doubt someone will come along to say that's not his intention but so what? He's clearly nervous about it and will benefit from the banter it caused.

Absolutely.

Wasn't all that thrilled about mine but I was pretty glad once it was over. Preparation obviously was the worst part.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 18, 2019, 06:53:36 PM
To add to Mora's (excellent) post - DT spent, what, 2 years sitting on the music for Images & Words, just trying to find a singer who would do the music justice? Now Mike struggles to practice one section for 30 minutes. At his age he's not going to put the same amount of blood, sweat, and tears into his work no matter what he says, and divying all that work up amongst a bunch of projects which only serves to divide his fanbase more (do I go to Winery Dogs? or Neal Morse? or Flying Colors? what about the other 20 bands I want to see but can't afford to see them all? etc.). Not many 50+ year olds have that fire of a young extremely hungry 20-something with nothing but fresh ideas and a desire to play.

Maybe I'm just lucky but I don't see those bands you mention as dividing for me. I'm into all of them.

The line for me was projects like A Mob, AX7 and Metal Allegiance. Sons of Apollos is kind of the middle where I have one foot in and one foot out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 18, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Bringing this back on topic, MP is getting a colonoscopy! The man does love to share. Maybe we'll get pics!

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2hornHjbw9/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 ;D


I heard the experience was a nightmare as the issues were sevenfold.

But he passed his test with um..flying colors.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
To add to Mora's (excellent) post - DT spent, what, 2 years sitting on the music for Images & Words, just trying to find a singer who would do the music justice? Now Mike struggles to practice one section for 30 minutes. At his age he's not going to put the same amount of blood, sweat, and tears into his work no matter what he says, and divying all that work up amongst a bunch of projects which only serves to divide his fanbase more (do I go to Winery Dogs? or Neal Morse? or Flying Colors? what about the other 20 bands I want to see but can't afford to see them all? etc.). Not many 50+ year olds have that fire of a young extremely hungry 20-something with nothing but fresh ideas and a desire to play.

Not to argue, and not to repeat myself (I'm certainly doing the latter), I don't expect Mike to woodshed for 8 hours a day.  It's the rare "hero" that really does that anymore (Slash has said that he does, Neil Peart famously did that), and that's fine.  You get a vocabulary, and you expand in other ways.   

I'm more concerned with the splintering, and how he's gone about trying to "beat" what came before.   I think the beauty of Dream Theater is that it appealed to those that like BNWOHM, that like Thrash, that like hair metal, that like hard rock, that like whatever it is you call Journey, that like whatever it is you call Rush...   now there's the "metal" project, the "old school prog" project, the "new school prog" project, the "Beatles/Muse" project, the whatever it is you call AMob, the "Deep Purple/classic rock" project...  I think it's a mindset.  If you go in trying to "make the best prog-metal album you can" in that moment, it focuses your thinking.  If you go in trying to "make history" (no, I'm not really joking) in that moment, it can't help but expand your thinking.

I'm not in Mike's head, so I have no idea how close - or not - I am, but that's certainly what it SEEMS like.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 19, 2019, 07:52:18 AM
And to add to all of that, I think Mike is being naive to think he'll have the level of success he had with DT, after 25 solid years of building the band/brand, with his many new(er) bands that spend most of their time being inactive while he is doing something else. Building a successful band requires constant effort and hard work, and actually sustaining that through time, no matter how many "big" names are playing with you. IMO he should focus on building few bands instead of trying to juggle 6 bands at the same time and take pride in it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on September 19, 2019, 10:04:11 AM
I think several of the above posts have some great points.

I just don't know if Mike is really naive or if at this point his expectations are too high; maybe he's fully aware that it's not likely he'll have the same success he did with DT? 

Part of me agrees that he should spent more time with one or two bands instead of spreading himself out so much, but maybe he's happier doing what he's doing. 

@Stadler - for my own personal tastes, I completely agree with you.  I think part of the reason why DT is so special is because of different elements they bring into it.  But for others, maybe it's not that way.  Bands like Metal Allegiance and Winery Dogs have fans who would never be interested in DT.  And while DT might sometimes bring in thrash elements, if that's what you're really looking for, DT probably isn't going to satisfy that for you.  So I can see from a (non-DT) fan perspective that some of his projects might hold a lot of interest, and from his own playing perspective, maybe he's just having fun doing the "compartmentalized" approach because he can focus on something he enjoys that he didn't get to do consistently with DT.

Having said all that... I'm not interested in much of what he's doing.  Flying Colors is the one that holds the most interest to me.  But I'm OK with my interest falling off a little bit; I might have rather had him try to put together a prog metal project, but I can look to other bands for that instead.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2019, 10:27:17 AM
I have more DT material than any other band besides the Dead, and it's because when I got into them - '92, with the release of Images and Words - they were literally the ONE band that was sort of a go-to shopping experience.   It was like listening to James Hetfield, Neil Peart, Steve Perry, Tony Banks and Chris Squire jamming together. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 19, 2019, 10:41:36 AM
Happy birthday to Hef, Stads, and me!

Happy birthday to all you guys!

And Happy Birthday to my brothers here.  Cheers!

A great month for birthdays, I must say, right Cram?

Yup, celebrating my birthday this weekend in Vegas  :yarr
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 19, 2019, 12:55:28 PM
Part of me agrees that he should spent more time with one or two bands instead of spreading himself out so much, but maybe he's happier doing what he's doing. 

Well, yeah, I think that's what it comes down to.  He is doing things this way because, regardless what you or I might think he should do, this is what he wants to do.  I think he does wish that one of his projects would take off, and I'm sure he would focus a bit more on that one if one of them did.  But he wants to have that diversity of people he is working with and diversity of styles (even if we might subjectively feel that there isn't much meaningful diversity to us between FC, NMB, and TA). 

I mean, he didn't want to outright leave DT.  But at the same time, he was burned out on what DT was doing and wanted a break, AND he didn't want to sacrifice doing a lot of other things because that is just what he feels compelled to do. 

Putting all that together, I think it's a lot more complicated of an emotional decision than simply "he should focus on one thing and build that up." 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 19, 2019, 06:34:22 PM
Happy birthday to Hef, Stads, and me!

Happy birthday to all you guys!

And Happy Birthday to my brothers here.  Cheers!

A great month for birthdays, I must say, right Cram?

Yup, celebrating my birthday this weekend in Vegas  :yarr

I'm not. :lol :\ :|
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on September 19, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
I think he does wish that one of his projects would take off, and I'm sure he would focus a bit more on that one if one of them did.  But he wants to have that diversity of people he is working with and diversity of styles (even if we might subjectively feel that there isn't much meaningful diversity to us between FC, NMB, and TA). 
I agree with everything you said, I just wanted to comment on this part. I don't think you can have it both ways though. He's spread himself out so much that I don't think one band can ever truly take off. A project can't take off if he doesn't want to dedicate a lot of time to it. He seems to have wanted Sons of Apollo to take off, but he and Derek blew that one. I think Winery Dogs could really take off if he dedicated more time to it, but he doesn't want to and Ritchie doesn't seem to want to either. And I understand that he wants to expand his horizons, it's what he wanted to do, but he'll never have that level of success again like he did with DT.

At the end of the day though, MP doesn't seem to be hurting for money, so he's gonna be okay. He definitely seems happier than ever, I just think eventually he'll want to have that control again like he did with DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2019, 08:34:25 PM
I'm not sure this has been talked about much, in regards to his project's viability and longjecity, but it's more than just Portnoy spreading himself too thin.

Look at the people he's forming these bands with.

None of them are bands that even have a chance of making it big, they're all essentially lesser or so forms of super groups. With rare exception, he surrounds himself with well-known, very busy people.

Ritchie Kotzen? Busy doing tons of solo stuff, he ain't got time to make Winery Dogs his main band.
Billy Sheehan? He's busy doing all of MP's stuff and the other 50,000 things he does. He's a great jam/session guy, but if he isn't a legacy member, he's not dedicating the time to just you.
Neil Morse? Got his own stuff. Flying colors is just a fun gig.
Dave LaRue? Same.
Steve Morse? Dude has BIG stuff he isn't ever going to sideline for Flying Colors.
Jeff Scott Soto? Feels like he does 50 gigs himself. He and Bumblefoot are most likely to stick with a long term band, but neither of them have the song-writing skills to do so (notice I said song writing, not talent).
David Elefson? Nuff said.
Alex Skolnick? Busy busy busy.

You guys get my point.

If all you do is surround yourself with well establish guys, you're just having fun at this point.

If he wants a real band with real potential, he needs to find unknowns that aren't dedicated to so many things or their own huge things. But he's quite unlikely to do that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 19, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
Adami.  You need to psychoanalyze who you're talking about.   His compulsive behavior says it will never happen.  While I enjoy 80% of his output these days he forced his way out of that situation because of his compulsions.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
Adami.  You need to psychoanalyze who you're talking about.

Not for free.  :loser:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 19, 2019, 08:48:19 PM
 :lol

Ah.  If only you had your multiple degrees in the late 80's.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on September 19, 2019, 08:50:16 PM
It would be cool to see MP start a band with a group of up and coming musicians...wouldn't be hard to find some. But I think that would be one of the worst things an up and coming musician could do, starting a band with MP. He'd take too much of the spotlight away from the newcomers and they would develop in a really weird way. It would end horribly.

It would also be cool to see MP start a project with completely different people out of his comfort zone
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 20, 2019, 01:41:56 AM
It would be cool to see MP start a band with a group of up and coming musicians...wouldn't be hard to find some. But I think that would be one of the worst things an up and coming musician could do, starting a band with MP. He'd take too much of the spotlight away from the newcomers and they would develop in a really weird way. It would end horribly.

Not really the same thing, since they're more live players than active partecipants in the studio albums, but Alice Cooper started playing live with a bunch of relative unknowns and year after year the live lineup estabilished itself, and so people started to recognize and grow fond of the other musicians.

Sure, "MP and a bunch of newcomers" as a band would start being all about MP,  but say that they make a nice album, and then they make another good one, people would eventually start to notice the guitar player or the singer and see them more than just "those kids hanging out with MP".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2019, 07:52:44 AM
Dangerous territory here, what with not being a professional in the field and all, but...

It's human nature that many of us are afraid to fail, and that can manifest itself in many different ways.  With Mike I think the constant surrounding with "all-stars" is partly a way to have fun, partly a way to get eyeballs from multiple angles, partly a validation on what is no doubt a stellar career, but partly it's a way to take the heat off.  What happens when Mike is in a band with Stadler, TAC, Kingshmegland and El Barto (i.e. a bunch of no-names) and 40 people show up at the gigs?   How does that get processed? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 20, 2019, 08:00:19 AM
Part of me wishes, on his behalf, that A7X would have changed their plans and decided to extend his contract and keep him on.  His style fit well with them, and he seemed to really have fun playing that music and playing to those huge crowds.  But on the other hand, I see the real potential for that to have gone south after a couple of album and tour cycles just because he NEEDS to be involved in other things as well.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on September 20, 2019, 08:44:26 AM
Part of me wishes, on his behalf, that A7X would have changed their plans and decided to extend his contract and keep him on.  His style fit well with them, and he seemed to really have fun playing that music and playing to those huge crowds.  But on the other hand, I see the real potential for that to have gone south after a couple of album and tour cycles just because he NEEDS to be involved in other things as well.

Not a big fan of A7X but I did hear the album where MP played and then also heard the one with the new drummer and I must say, the newer one felt a bit lacking in the drumming department. Nightmare felt more energetic.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on September 20, 2019, 09:16:19 AM
Part of me wishes, on his behalf, that A7X would have changed their plans and decided to extend his contract and keep him on.  His style fit well with them, and he seemed to really have fun playing that music and playing to those huge crowds.  But on the other hand, I see the real potential for that to have gone south after a couple of album and tour cycles just because he NEEDS to be involved in other things as well.

Not a big fan of A7X but I did hear the album where MP played and then also heard the one with the new drummer and I must say, the newer one felt a bit lacking in the drumming department. Nightmare felt more energetic.

Are you talking about Hail to the King or The Stage? Because the drumming on The Stage is awesome. I feel bad for the drummer on HTTK because the band basically told him to keep it simple on drums ala the Black Album and all's anyone talks about now is how boring his drumming is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 20, 2019, 09:30:11 AM
Seriously, looking back at the DT/MP split nine years ago, he could've started a DT-ish prog metal band with a great lineup around then (I still remember when he announced he was going to work with Russell Allen, and then... :facepalm:) and pour all his effort into it, and the story now could be very different. Just look at where Haken is now after 10 years of giving it all they got and not being discouraged by not seeing inmediate success at first. And I'm sure there are better examples out there.

And I get it, though, at that time he was burnt out from the DT cycle and wanted to spread his wings doing a lot of different things instead of building a new "big" project from the ground, but IMO the biggest flaw there is that it only works for so many years. He could've started a couple side projects for the first couple years, and then focus full time on a main gig, but that main thing never came and he went all in on the "let's saturate the market with MP releases lolz" approach to the point where now, as Adami was explaining, pretty much all of his bands are side projects, both for him and for most of the other members. On top of that, many of the people he works with are shared between these different bands (Neal Morse, Billy Sheehan, the guys engineering and mixing the albums, etc) which narrows the reach of the projects even more by making them way too similar sometimes (Breath of Angels sounds just like Peaceful Harbor, Love Letter sounds similar to The Ways of the Fool, and TWOTF's instrumental section is pretty much the same as Black as the Sky, to name a few).

To be fair, A7X was his choice at first, like Bosk was saying, but it obviously didn't play out the way he expected it to be. I think the idea of joining a well stablished band and using his arranging/production skills fully in that band would be another good option for him to consider, given where Mike's professional career is at right now. The problem there, tho, would be to find a big enough band that needs a drummer and that is satisfying musically for him to stay, and there's not many bands that'd fit that criteria out there. And it's not like he could go solo and just tour with a bunch of no names either, unless they are pretty good writers too, because MP isn't exactly a songwriter by himself. He needs good songwriters like Morse, Petrucci, Rudess, etc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on September 20, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Part of me wishes, on his behalf, that A7X would have changed their plans and decided to extend his contract and keep him on.  His style fit well with them, and he seemed to really have fun playing that music and playing to those huge crowds.  But on the other hand, I see the real potential for that to have gone south after a couple of album and tour cycles just because he NEEDS to be involved in other things as well.

Not a big fan of A7X but I did hear the album where MP played and then also heard the one with the new drummer and I must say, the newer one felt a bit lacking in the drumming department. Nightmare felt more energetic.

Are you talking about Hail to the King or The Stage? Because the drumming on The Stage is awesome. I feel bad for the drummer on HTTK because the band basically told him to keep it simple on drums ala the Black Album and all's anyone talks about now is how boring his drumming is.

It was HTTK. Should I check out The Stage then?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on September 20, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Everyone has some good and interesting points here.  And again - I agree with them in terms of what I'd want as a fan.  If he'd started some awesome prog metal project (with vocals I like), I'd probably be enjoying it and more into what he's doing than I am now.  But whether or not he'd be in a better position - I really can't say.  I was just thinking about Haken in connection with this gzarruk.  But while they're doing well and they're really loved by the prog metal community - they're not playing places as big as where I've seen either The Winery Dogs or Flying Colors.  Maybe he'd have gotten to those places with his own prog band, maybe not... it's hard to say.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on September 20, 2019, 12:20:02 PM
Part of me wishes, on his behalf, that A7X would have changed their plans and decided to extend his contract and keep him on.  His style fit well with them, and he seemed to really have fun playing that music and playing to those huge crowds.  But on the other hand, I see the real potential for that to have gone south after a couple of album and tour cycles just because he NEEDS to be involved in other things as well.

Not a big fan of A7X but I did hear the album where MP played and then also heard the one with the new drummer and I must say, the newer one felt a bit lacking in the drumming department. Nightmare felt more energetic.

Are you talking about Hail to the King or The Stage? Because the drumming on The Stage is awesome. I feel bad for the drummer on HTTK because the band basically told him to keep it simple on drums ala the Black Album and all's anyone talks about now is how boring his drumming is.

It was HTTK. Should I check out The Stage then?

Absolutely! Brooks Wackerman is their drummer now and he is insane. MP even commented on Brooks' performance on that record.

And yes, the drumming on Hail To The King is sleep inducing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lowdz on September 20, 2019, 03:02:24 PM
The Stage is a great album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 24, 2019, 03:06:22 PM
Starting a band now or 10 years ago is totally different than starting a band 20, 30 or 40 years ago. The context is totally different.   You could be in 10 bands now and not generate as much exposure or revenue as you could in a single band 25 years ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 24, 2019, 03:23:02 PM
Starting a band now or 10 years ago is totally different than starting a band 20, 30 or 40 years ago. The context is totally different.   You could be in 10 bands now and not generate as much exposure or revenue as you could in a single band 25 years ago.

Very true.

I think it depends what mike wants most.

If his main goal is to play music he really enjoys with people he enjoys, I’d imagine this the best he’s going to do.

If his main goal was to get the biggest audience, then his best bet would be to try to join a huge act like he did for A7X or something if that kind of opportunity ever came up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on September 24, 2019, 03:38:56 PM

If his main goal was to get the biggest audience, then his best bet would be to try to join a huge act like he did for A7X or something if that kind of opportunity ever came up.

The only band that I can *maybe* see this happen would be Iron Maiden. And that's a big *maybe*. Other than that, I don't see any major acts in need of a drummer that would get MP on board. Personally, I would love to see him in Alter Bridge or Iron Maiden.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 24, 2019, 03:40:47 PM
Starting a band now or 10 years ago is totally different than starting a band 20, 30 or 40 years ago. The context is totally different.   You could be in 10 bands now and not generate as much exposure or revenue as you could in a single band 25 years ago.

Very true.

I think it depends what mike wants most.

If his main goal is to play music he really enjoys with people he enjoys, I’d imagine this the best he’s going to do.

If his main goal was to get the biggest audience, then his best bet would be to try to join a huge act like he did for A7X or something if that kind of opportunity ever came up.

Those seem to be the choices.  Both would seem ideal to him I would guess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 24, 2019, 03:53:08 PM
Yeah, he had a good run at the "big stage" for awhile there touring with A7X and then Twisted Sister.  Not sure whether he has put himself out there as a potential touring drummer for other big acts or if he wants to do that, but from an outsider's perspective, it seems like something like that would be awesome for him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 02, 2019, 06:57:03 AM
But he wants to have that diversity of people he is working with and diversity of styles (even if we might subjectively feel that there isn't much meaningful diversity to us between FC, NMB, and TA). 
This is something that's always puzzled me about established musicians. We as adventurous listeners like to hear things that have never been put together before, even if it's just a tiny change from the established canon of the genre (say, prog metal bands that don't copy DT too much), or just taking influence from a band that's less popular, etc. Some tastes are more eclectic than others, but most people want to hear something that's both good and new. But if you talk to musicians who have been established for a while, they're all full of dreams about how, if they have time, they're gonna start their pure punk side band and pure hard rock side band and pure heavy metal side band, and have this diversity and segmentation. I don't know why that is! I'm not a huge fan of that approach. Fortunately, there's loads of bands who work on creating something fresh and challenging every year, I don't need to wait for MP to do that, and he gets to have his fun. I hope he has a great time and I hope that the number of people on his shows allows him to continue having fun without losing money or interest.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 04, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
Mike Portnoy Third Degree Drum Cam:

https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads/products/mike-portnoy-third-degree-drum-cam-video-digital-download
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 04, 2019, 10:04:23 PM
Why didn't he call it Third Drumgree? He really missed the boat on that one.  :'(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 05, 2019, 11:18:39 AM
Mike Portnoy Third Degree Drum Cam:

https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads/products/mike-portnoy-third-degree-drum-cam-video-digital-download

I'd have bought the DVD. Oh well.

I'd almost pay him the $15 to have him record it on on DVDR
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 05, 2019, 04:04:04 PM
Why didn't he call it Third Drumgree? He really missed the boat on that one.  :'(

I thought we would've called it Drum Degree.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 09, 2019, 04:37:21 PM
Mike Portnoy Third Degree Drum Cam:

https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads/products/mike-portnoy-third-degree-drum-cam-video-digital-download

I'd have bought the DVD. Oh well.

I'd almost pay him the $15 to have him record it on on DVDR

Now available in DVD

MP3D is NOW AVAILABLE on DVD for all of you physical product collectors!!
This is the Drum & Vox Cam for the entire Flying Colors Third Degree album (as well as the Bonus Track Waiting For The Sun)   
There are LIMITED AMOUNTS that were produced for you collectors and once they’re gone we will NOT be re-ordering!
https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/dvds/products/copy-of-mike-portnoy-third-degree-drum-cam-video-digital-download

And for those of you that are all new-school and techie, you can grab the Digital Download:
https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads?sort_by=created-descending

And while you’re already there shopping, check out some of the other newly added items! (Including Used and autographed sticks from the final performance of TGA at MF19, Used and autographed sticks from the NMB TGA and TA BAF recording sessions and much more!)
https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/all-products?sort_by=created-descending
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on October 09, 2019, 09:18:37 PM
MP as a guest in a new Noturnall song (brazilian band with Mike Orlando that MP will tour with next month):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zx9X4MQjfQ&t=313s
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 12, 2019, 10:05:52 AM
Mike Portnoy Third Degree Drum Cam:

https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads/products/mike-portnoy-third-degree-drum-cam-video-digital-download

I'd have bought the DVD. Oh well.

I'd almost pay him the $15 to have him record it on on DVDR

Now available in DVD

MP3D is NOW AVAILABLE on DVD for all of you physical product collectors!!
This is the Drum & Vox Cam for the entire Flying Colors Third Degree album (as well as the Bonus Track Waiting For The Sun)   
There are LIMITED AMOUNTS that were produced for you collectors and once they’re gone we will NOT be re-ordering!
https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/dvds/products/copy-of-mike-portnoy-third-degree-drum-cam-video-digital-download

And for those of you that are all new-school and techie, you can grab the Digital Download:
https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads?sort_by=created-descending

And while you’re already there shopping, check out some of the other newly added items! (Including Used and autographed sticks from the final performance of TGA at MF19, Used and autographed sticks from the NMB TGA and TA BAF recording sessions and much more!)
https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/all-products?sort_by=created-descending

Thanks

Saw it at the show so I bought it.


Totally amazing show too.  They were having a blast.  Best show yet of the three I've seen. Need a 3rd live album. Even a live Official Bootleg would be great.
This show needs to be documented to mark the growth of this band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 17, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/92P0x1C/72591556-2430008300401429-6249378892595855360-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ftJW3yP)



It seems Metalhead knows something Mike Portnoy doesn't ummm

 :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
 :rollin

wow that is pretty bad mess up, but kind of funny

also agreed that it is not news to celebrate your daughters bday
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 17, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
"Marlene... is there something you need to tell me?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 17, 2019, 10:41:36 AM
Damn, that's harsh.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on October 17, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
no wonder the kids get along like family
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 17, 2019, 10:45:28 AM
Damn, that's harsh.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 17, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
"Marlene... is there something you need to tell me?"

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 17, 2019, 03:28:51 PM
 :lol
Doesn't one of Petrucci's daughters have a podcast with MP's daughter? I can see how when you google one of them, pictures of the other might pop up because of that. But they don't look all that similar so there's no excuse!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 17, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
Well JP posted a selfie with him and his daughter, that was the news.  There wasn't any need to google anything, that was the picture to use. The one JP shared on social media.  It's like that news outlet wanted to make "news" so wrote the headline but didn't want to use the same image that it was stealing the headline from (likely blabbermouth who used the correct image).  It's stupid lazy "journalism"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on October 17, 2019, 04:11:12 PM
It's like that news outlet wanted to make "news" so wrote the headline but didn't want to use the same image that it was stealing the headline from (likely blabbermouth who used the correct image).  It's stupid lazy "journalism"
Yes, or-
THEY DID THIS ON PURPOSE
(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/selectall/2017/02/09/09-roll-safe.w700.h700.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on October 17, 2019, 07:15:28 PM
JP is one winery dog.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on October 19, 2019, 01:15:13 PM
Didn’t see this posted anywhere

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-q1Pt1GnM
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 19, 2019, 08:10:24 PM
Didn’t see this posted anywhere

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-q1Pt1GnM

Going to have a blast when I crack open that DVD.  Making time for that tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 03, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
Mike's playing a few DT songs live with Noturnall on their current Brazilian tour: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/noturnall/2019/aruc-brasilia-brazil-239d101b.html
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on November 03, 2019, 03:57:07 PM
Dumb question because I can't remember but didn't MP say he was done playing DT music? Or was it he was done touring DT music as MP Shattered Fortress
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on November 03, 2019, 04:01:17 PM
Dumb question because I can't remember but didn't MP say he was done playing DT music? Or was it he was done touring DT music as MP Shattered Fortress

Probably the latter. I can't imagine SoA not having an FII song in their setlist even with two albums of material as the DT songs are probably the moment of the set most people look forward to. I'm guessing parts of ACoS and Burning My Soul will make an appearance next time around.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on November 03, 2019, 04:18:29 PM
I thought Derek and MP said the next tour will have no covers. I don’t see that actually happening though since this is a do or die tour, at least through America.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 03, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
Dumb question because I can't remember but didn't MP say he was done playing DT music? Or was it he was done touring DT music as MP Shattered Fortress

It doesn't matter what he said, but what he remembers he said (or how he changes the version every time he says it, just like he miraculously changed the story of DS' firing from Dt to shift the blame to the other members) :lol

Just for fun, here's a list of all DT songs Mike has performed live so far with different bands since leaving DT in 2010:

Take the Time (Noturnall)
Under a Glass Moon (Noturnall)
The Mirror (Haken, MP Shattered Fortress)
A Change of Seasons: I. The Crimson Sunrise (Metal Masters, PSMS)
Burning my Soul (PSMS)
Hell's Kitchen (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
Lines in the Sand (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
Just Let me Breathe (Sons of Apollo)
Anna Lee (PSMS)
Overture 1928 (MP Shattered Fortress)
Strange Deja Vu (MP Shattered Fortress)
Home (MP Shattered Fortress)
The Dance of Eternity (MP Shattered Fortress)
Finally Free (MP Shattered Fortress)
The Glass Prison (MP Shattered Fortress)
As I Am (Noturnall)
This Dying Soul (MP Shattered Fortress)
The Root of All Evil (MP Shattered Fortress)
Repentance (Flying Colors, MP Shattered Fortress)
The Shattered Fortress (MP Shattered Fortress)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 03, 2019, 07:40:47 PM
There's no need for controversy.  I don't know about anyone else, but I took what he said as "full set dedicated to DT material", but even if I'm wrong and he said "any" DT, so what?  You're really going to crucify a guy for having a change of heart?  In the grand scheme of things does it really matter? If an opportunity comes his way, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect him to say "Well, I'd love to, but I made a comment to Blabbermouth seven years ago, so..." 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 03, 2019, 08:03:51 PM
I remember when MP made that declarative statement. It definitely sounded like he was done playing DT music.

That said......why are we upset? Isn't this one of the few vows we hope people break?

If John Petrucci said "DT will never play anything from SFAM again" and then later on played Home, would we be pissed?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 08:06:21 PM
I would. Anything but Home. Fatal Tragedy would be much better.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 03, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
There's no need for controversy.  I don't know about anyone else, but I took what he said as "full set dedicated to DT material", but even if I'm wrong and he said "any" DT, so what?  You're really going to crucify a guy for having a change of heart?  In the grand scheme of things does it really matter? If an opportunity comes his way, I don't think it's fair or reasonable to expect him to say "Well, I'd love to, but I made a comment to Blabbermouth seven years ago, so..."

Don't think this was directed at me, but I have absolutely no issue with him playing DT stuff with other bands, it's music he helped create after all, and he's in his right to do it as much as he wants. Actually, it would feel wrong for him not to do it.

I just find funny that the guy always changes what he says to accommodate the current situation he's in. Instead of saying "I won't play DT music anymore" (whatever that means), he should just say that he enjoys playing most of that stuff, that it's part of his career and that he will do it if he thinks it's right for the occasion. I'm sure no one would be mad at him for saying that (at least no one should).

IMO he should just acknowledge that it's a very important part of his career and he shouldn't try to completely "move on" from it, just have fun playing some of these songs and not trying to top DT with his X amount of bands that will "certainly blow your mind 'cause it's the best thing I've ever done" mentality.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 03, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
I just sort of object to telling these people - Mike, Kiss falls into this too (with the replacement guys) - what they "should" be doing.  He does what he does.  It's not new.   It's not going to change.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 03, 2019, 08:34:10 PM
In unrelated news, KISS' Farewell tour books dates into 2021!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 03, 2019, 10:29:09 PM


To be fair, A7X was his choice at first, like Bosk was saying, but it obviously didn't play out the way he expected it to be. I think the idea of joining a well stablished band and using his arranging/production skills fully in that band would be another good option for him to consider, given where Mike's professional career is at right now. The problem there, tho, would be to find a big enough band that needs a drummer and that is satisfying musically for him to stay, and there's not many bands that'd fit that criteria out there. And it's not like he could go solo and just tour with a bunch of no names either, unless they are pretty good writers too, because MP isn't exactly a songwriter by himself. He needs good songwriters like Morse, Petrucci, Rudess, etc.

Follow the money; well established (mid level rock/metal) bands are probably hesitant to take a drummer like MP on full-time on a permanent basis because of the salary he commands. Take Ax7 for example, they had a number 1 record that is nearing platinum status and an extremely successful world tour and it still wasn’t enough to secure himself the gig. Why bring MP on when you can get an unknown who will do what they are told, do an album and tour for $50k and demand no publishing, writing credits, merch participation etc. All bullshit aside, I suspect $$$ played a much bigger role in Portnoy not being in Ax7 than anything else. It sounds cynical but no one in metal REALLY likes paying musicians (see Ozzy, Dio, Tobias Forge, the list goes on and on)

This is why Portnoy pretty much HAS to take on multiple projects, and they are usually (supergroup) projects where he has some skin in the game.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on November 04, 2019, 08:04:59 AM


To be fair, A7X was his choice at first, like Bosk was saying, but it obviously didn't play out the way he expected it to be. I think the idea of joining a well stablished band and using his arranging/production skills fully in that band would be another good option for him to consider, given where Mike's professional career is at right now. The problem there, tho, would be to find a big enough band that needs a drummer and that is satisfying musically for him to stay, and there's not many bands that'd fit that criteria out there. And it's not like he could go solo and just tour with a bunch of no names either, unless they are pretty good writers too, because MP isn't exactly a songwriter by himself. He needs good songwriters like Morse, Petrucci, Rudess, etc.

Follow the money; well established (mid level rock/metal) bands are probably hesitant to take a drummer like MP on full-time on a permanent basis because of the salary he commands. Take Ax7 for example, they had a number 1 record that is nearing platinum status and an extremely successful world tour and it still wasn’t enough to secure himself the gig. Why bring MP on when you can get an unknown who will do what they are told, do an album and tour for $50k and demand no publishing, writing credits, merch participation etc. All bullshit aside, I suspect $$$ played a much bigger role in Portnoy not being in Ax7 than anything else. It sounds cynical but no one in metal REALLY likes paying musicians (see Ozzy, Dio, Tobias Forge, the list goes on and on)

This is why Portnoy pretty much HAS to take on multiple projects, and they are usually (supergroup) projects where he has some skin in the game.

All of the above plus I never saw MP being a "fit" for A7X anyway. Sure he could play the material, but he was just...too different for them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2019, 08:17:47 AM
Honest question (since I don't know much about the band):  in what way?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 04, 2019, 08:22:27 AM
Honest question (since I don't know much about the band):  in what way?

I always saw it as the Dominici Situation (which I'm always going to use, now, for situations like these): young, hungry band in their late 20s (at the time) playing with a much older guy (13-14 years older) who's a cool dude but perhaps just not the right image or personality that gels with the younger guys despite the older guy thinking he's hip to the crowd.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2019, 08:38:28 AM
Not unfair.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
but I have absolutely no issue with him playing DT stuff with other bands, it's music he helped create after all, and he's in his right to do it as much as he wants.

My issue has never been with him playing music he helped create. It's his right as you stated.

My issue with the recent 'Scenes' stuff that he posted on his social media to celebrate 20 years of Scenes is that he chose to upload videos of him and his cover band in lieu of say....vids of him playing with DT. I get he's not in the band anymore BUT he wrote that stuff with JP and the gang so I think it'd have been more appropriate for him to upload some 'Live Scenes from NY' or other tour video rather than his cover band. I personally think that was just another instance of the passive aggressive style of social media posts he makes by posting his DT cover songs. He knows the inevitable comments from the 'never MM' crowd are going to be "this is SO much better than DT"......."DT sucks without you"......"please play with DT again".....and so on.


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 04, 2019, 08:52:43 AM
That seems like a pretty extreme interpretation.

He did a small tour with TSF. While I had no interest in seeing them, a lot of people did, and I assume an even larger amount of people didn't have the chance to but wanted to. So he chose to upload a video of them since a good amount of people were requesting something. And, as far as I know, they ONLY played DT songs. So either he ignores TSF shows completely, pretends they didn't exist and uploads a vid of DT playing live, of which dozens already exist, or posts the video of the more recent venture that has no official release and people wanted to see.

Don't see any signs of passive aggressiveness, and believe me, there have been PLENTY in the past.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2019, 09:10:10 AM
That seems like a pretty extreme interpretation.

I will admit this is probably the case. for whatever reason I get a bit touchy when it comes to these types of vids he releases and I think it has to do with some remnants of ill will based off the manner in which he abandoned DT.....and his subsequent online behavior. I think I still subconsciously 'look' for it from him. I even spoke to him about this at a Neal Morse show meet and greet. I actually apologized to him for some of the things I said (typed)

I enjoy the heck out of his music for the most part and will always support him as a musician. But I'm still not sold that his intentions and/or motivations behind his vid posts/social media aren't just to glorify himself
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2019, 09:10:23 AM
but I have absolutely no issue with him playing DT stuff with other bands, it's music he helped create after all, and he's in his right to do it as much as he wants.

My issue has never been with him playing music he helped create. It's his right as you stated.

My issue with the recent 'Scenes' stuff that he posted on his social media to celebrate 20 years of Scenes is that he chose to upload videos of him and his cover band in lieu of say....vids of him playing with DT. I get he's not in the band anymore BUT he wrote that stuff with JP and the gang so I think it'd have been more appropriate for him to upload some 'Live Scenes from NY' or other tour video rather than his cover band. I personally think that was just another instance of the passive aggressive style of social media posts he makes by posting his DT cover songs. He knows the inevitable comments from the 'never MM' crowd are going to be "this is SO much better than DT"......."DT sucks without you"......"please play with DT again".....and so on.

All respect, you could be right, but it's as likely he CAN'T for some reason.  Who can say if John would have a problem or not, but there are others involved - in the band and out - that might have one.   Same/similar reason he can't involve himself in the Ytsejam stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2019, 09:13:31 AM
That seems like a pretty extreme interpretation.

I will admit this is probably the case. for whatever reason I get a bit touchy when it comes to these types of vids he releases and I think it has to do with some remnants of ill will based off the manner in which he abandoned DT.....and his subsequent online behavior. I think I still subconsciously 'look' for it from him. I even spoke to him about this at a Neal Morse show meet and greet. I actually apologized to him for some of the things I said (typed)

I enjoy the heck out of his music for the most part and will always support him as a musician. But I'm still not sold that his intentions and/or motivations behind his vid posts/social media aren't just to glorify himself

One way of putting it... :)   I fully understand why you say that and I'm not posting this to argue with you, it's a legit position to take.  But not the only one.  I think it's more nuanced and complicated than "abandoned".   I know for me, especially having gone through a divorce (with a child involved) that I'm more sympathetic to the vagueries of something like this.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
That seems like a pretty extreme interpretation.

I will admit this is probably the case. for whatever reason I get a bit touchy when it comes to these types of vids he releases and I think it has to do with some remnants of ill will based off the manner in which he abandoned DT.....and his subsequent online behavior. I think I still subconsciously 'look' for it from him. I even spoke to him about this at a Neal Morse show meet and greet. I actually apologized to him for some of the things I said (typed)

I enjoy the heck out of his music for the most part and will always support him as a musician. But I'm still not sold that his intentions and/or motivations behind his vid posts/social media aren't just to glorify himself

One way of putting it... :)   I fully understand why you say that and I'm not posting this to argue with you, it's a legit position to take.  But not the only one.  I think it's more nuanced and complicated than "abandoned".   I know for me, especially having gone through a divorce (with a child involved) that I'm more sympathetic to the vagueries of something like this.   

Yeah. I'll never be convinced that he wasn't just trying to have the best of all worlds. He tried to hold the DT guys hostage so he could go galavant around the globe with A7X for a couple years because he was caught up in that 'new' atmosphere. It was a total selfish, dickish thing to do and I fully believe he knows that he F'd his whole career with DT up over a very selfish decision. He will never admit it but he doesn't need to. It's pretty evident IMO

I get his 'side' saying he was tired and it was stale and yadda yadda yadda.....but had he not spread himself so thin in the first place that could likely have been avoided in the case of DT and their writing/record/tour process.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2019, 09:22:02 AM
Before I get hammered for slamming MP I think I need to make it clear that I love his music. I love watching  him play. He's a freaking incredible showman and obviously legendary drummer. I will and have always supported him musically....buy near all his efforts and see as many of his shows as I can. He and his music have been a major influence in my life.

I just don't buy the narrative he tried to sell about the DT split and am not convinced fully that some of his social media posts aren't still calculated 'shots'
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2019, 09:28:40 AM
I don't want you thinking I'm hammering and slammering you, because I'm not.  I totally see where you're coming from.  I just think when you have a band, five personalities (plus wives; it's not a "Yoko" thing to say that they had to have factored in) it can be multiple things.  For example I wouldn't be at all surprised if the response/reaction to/from James is different than the response/reaction to Petrucci.   Another example:  I don't know that it's necessarily "hold hostage", even if one or more of the band felt that's what was going down.  "Selfish" doesn't mean "dickish"; after all, they tell you "put your own oxygen mask on before helping those around you".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 04, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
In the end, Portnoy was sort of right about DT needing a break, with a slight amendment: they needed a break from him.  I think his control over the band had gone too far (Napolean complex anyone?) and the music was suffering as a result. The last two albums with him were good, but they were clearly on the downward slope, IMO.  Once he left, the trajectory then moved back upward with ADToE, and now here we are in 2019 with the band having just released what looks to be one of their one or two most well-received albums in the last 15 years.  No, they will never reach the consistent heights of 1992-2002 again, but had the band remained as it was in 2009 into the 2010's, I have my doubts as to whether they would have turned things around.

All that said, I have no problem with him playing DT material with anyone or posting videos of it on YT.  I am sure playing a bunch of it again on the Shattered Fortress tour reminded him of how great a lot of that music is (which I doubt he forgot anyway), and I am sure he misses playing it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 04, 2019, 09:58:36 AM
I wonder if he's still goin' muthafuckin' psychosane or clapping obnoxiously on flights.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 04, 2019, 10:41:11 AM
Honest question (since I don't know much about the band):  in what way?

I always saw it as the Dominici Situation (which I'm always going to use, now, for situations like these): young, hungry band in their late 20s (at the time) playing with a much older guy (13-14 years older) who's a cool dude but perhaps just not the right image or personality that gels with the younger guys despite the older guy thinking he's hip to the crowd.

Not just that, but A7X are big drinkers and MP we all know no longer is.  Not that they can't get along, they seemed to have toured fine, but I think the clash of life styles would eventually not work IMO.  That also includes the age difference.

My personal opinion has always been that MP saw green with A7X and it was an easier gig for him as well (not having to be a band leader, not writing and just being a hired gun).  I could only imagine that he had wished that became his full time gig because it really would have been a great place to continue a drumming career. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 04, 2019, 11:08:30 AM
In the end, Portnoy was sort of right about DT needing a break, with a slight amendment: they needed a break from him.  I think his control over the band had gone too far (Napolean complex anyone?) and the music was suffering as a result. The last two albums with him were good, but they were clearly on the downward slope, IMO.  Once he left, the trajectory then moved back upward with ADToE, and now here we are in 2019 with the band having just released what looks to be one of their one or two most well-received albums in the last 15 years.  No, they will never reach the consistent heights of 1992-2002 again, but had the band remained as it was in 2009 into the 2010's, I have my doubts as to whether they would have turned things around.

I only agree with half of that.  The two pre-break records were good not great, and they did need a break, but I can't honestly say I feel DT rebounded afterward.  There are moments on all the subsequent records that are good ("This Is The Life" is a top ten song for me) but I think the creative tension was necessary, and it's missing now.   I just did my top 15 records of 2010-2019, cheating to be closer to 20 and there are three records with Mike on there, and none of the DT records made the cut. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: NoFred on November 04, 2019, 11:54:39 AM
In the end, Portnoy was sort of right about DT needing a break, with a slight amendment: they needed a break from him.  I think his control over the band had gone too far (Napolean complex anyone?) and the music was suffering as a result. The last two albums with him were good, but they were clearly on the downward slope, IMO.  Once he left, the trajectory then moved back upward with ADToE, and now here we are in 2019 with the band having just released what looks to be one of their one or two most well-received albums in the last 15 years.  No, they will never reach the consistent heights of 1992-2002 again, but had the band remained as it was in 2009 into the 2010's, I have my doubts as to whether they would have turned things around.

I only agree with half of that.  The two pre-break records were good not great, and they did need a break, but I can't honestly say I feel DT rebounded afterward.  There are moments on all the subsequent records that are good ("This Is The Life" is a top ten song for me) but I think the creative tension was necessary, and it's missing now.   I just did my top 15 records of 2010-2019, cheating to be closer to 20 and there are three records with Mike on there, and none of the DT records made the cut.

This. It’s the one thing I miss from their sound. Just bring the over to co-produce he doesn’t even need to play or write they’re fine in those areas.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 04, 2019, 02:39:39 PM
If I remember correctly, MP has gone on record stating that he doesn't foresee the Shattered Fortress shows ever getting an official release because he doesn't want to make it a slight against DT. This is just him trying to appease the fans as he always does. At least, that's how I see it.

Found it:

Asked if any of his former bandmates in DREAM THEATER have said anything to him about his decision to perform the band's material without them, and if there are any legal hurdles in him releasing any recordings of him playing the DREAM THEATER music, Portnoy said: "I haven't released the SHATTERED FORTRESS. I have a pro-shot, really well done, filmed and mixed show from that tour, and everybody asks me to release it, but I just kind of have stayed away from it, just because I don't wanna rock the boat.

"I have a really good relationship with John Petrucci and with Jordan [Rudess] these days," he continued. "On Cruise To The Edge, Jordan and I played together and we did some DREAM THEATER and LIQUID TENSION [EXPERIMENT] material together on the cruise. So I have a really good relationship with both those guys, and I just don't wanna rock the boat — I don't wanna do anything that might upset them or begin some negative feelings. We're in a good place right now, personally. And when I see those guys, honestly, we never, ever talk about DREAM THEATER; we don't talk about music. We talk about family and we talk about our friendships and what we're doing. I was with John Petrucci just two weeks ago at a show in [New] Jersey at Dingbatz. His wife was playing and a friend of mine was playing. We spent the whole time hanging out, and not once did music or DREAM THEATER come up. We were just old friends hanging out."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 04, 2019, 02:42:43 PM
Dumb question because I can't remember but didn't MP say he was done playing DT music? Or was it he was done touring DT music as MP Shattered Fortress
Even if he used those exact words (I don't remember), I never believed for a moment that he wouldn't play DT songs occasionally, nor did I believe that was what he meant in the first place.
 
 
I thought Derek and MP said the next tour will have no covers. I don’t see that actually happening though since this is a do or die tour, at least through America.
I actually believe they won't include any DT covers this time around. Pretty sure they intend to have SoA stand on its own two feet. They don't want to have the appearance that they *need* to fall back on their DT songs to make it.
 
 
It doesn't matter what he said, but what he remembers he said (or how he changes the version every time he says it, just like he miraculously changed the story of DS' firing from Dt to shift the blame to the other members)
Did he not take partial blame for letting DS go? Pretty sure you're reading more into his words than what he actually said. And let's be clear - the guy tries to remain as honest and straightforward as possible. Doesn't mean that he won't ever mis-remember something - we all do. But if there happens to be a change in comparison to what he said previously, he's not one to shy away from fessing up to it. Perfect example of that is what the claims of SoA was going to be before they wrote the album in comparison to what it ended up being. He mentioned in interviews that they intended it to be more along the lines of DT, but when they got to writing, the music went in a somewhat different direction. Same thing happened back in 2001 when they were preparing to write DT album #6. Originally it was going to be an album influenced by world music. Then the night before they were to begin working on it, JP and MP saw Pantera in concert, and that influenced them the following day so that they scrapped that whole world music idea.
 
 
but I have absolutely no issue with him playing DT stuff with other bands, it's music he helped create after all, and he's in his right to do it as much as he wants.

My issue has never been with him playing music he helped create. It's his right as you stated.

My issue with the recent 'Scenes' stuff that he posted on his social media to celebrate 20 years of Scenes is that he chose to upload videos of him and his cover band in lieu of say....vids of him playing with DT. I get he's not in the band anymore BUT he wrote that stuff with JP and the gang so I think it'd have been more appropriate for him to upload some 'Live Scenes from NY' or other tour video rather than his cover band. I personally think that was just another instance of the passive aggressive style of social media posts he makes by posting his DT cover songs. He knows the inevitable comments from the 'never MM' crowd are going to be "this is SO much better than DT"......."DT sucks without you"......"please play with DT again".....and so on.
All respect, you could be right, but it's as likely he CAN'T for some reason.  Who can say if John would have a problem or not, but there are others involved - in the band and out - that might have one.   Same/similar reason he can't involve himself in the Ytsejam stuff.
Almost positive that this is the primary reason why you'll never see MP post a DT video. Not because he doesn't want to - he simply cannot without ruffling feathers.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 04, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
Objectively, both parties are better off after their split because they would have been worse off if they hadn't split. I can't think of a difference in opinion that's more significant for a band than theirs was at the time. When things like this happen, people always leave. That first year post-split was really rough on MP, from not getting the Avenged Sevenfold gig and being locked out of DT, to people being disappointed with AMob. So it's good that in the end he got what he wanted - he is playing with a variety of people and working on a variety of projects, all of which have their own fans. As I said earlier in the thread, I hope that his new drumming career continues to pay off artistically, emotionally and financially.

At the same time, DT continues to be "just a band". A few guys write the music, chip in with the lyrics, they do DT stuff, they try out different approaches and remain true to themselves and their creative vision, not trying to reinvent the wheel. It's good for them, and they like it. Maybe someone misses the guy who used to carry a camera around and think of different performances and projects they could do and write different setlists and bring people into a room to record a DVD commentary track and select out-of-the-box influences to bring into the recording room. I miss that aspect of DT sometimes as well. But we got 25 years of that, and besides, the most important aspect of MP's presence in the band - his taste in music - I'm really not on the same page with it anymore.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 04, 2019, 03:04:21 PM
It doesn't matter what he said, but what he remembers he said (or how he changes the version every time he says it, just like he miraculously changed the story of DS' firing from Dt to shift the blame to the other members)
Did he not take partial blame for letting DS go? Pretty sure you're reading more into his words than what he actually said.

I don’t remember the exact words he used, but it was around the time the SOA album was released, he did an interview with Derek where they talked about Derek being fired by DT and Mike made it sound like it was something the other 4 guys wanted and he had to go along with it (something like that). We discussed it here on the SOA thread, because I remember someone posted something along the lines of “Hey Mike, what are you doing? Rewriting history, and you?” :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 04, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
It doesn't matter what he said, but what he remembers he said (or how he changes the version every time he says it, just like he miraculously changed the story of DS' firing from Dt to shift the blame to the other members)
Did he not take partial blame for letting DS go? Pretty sure you're reading more into his words than what he actually said.

I don’t remember the exact words he used, but it was around the time the SOA album was released, he did an interview with Derek where they talked about Derek being fired by DT and Mike made it sound like it was something the other 4 guys wanted and he had to go along with it (something like that). We discussed it here on the SOA thread, because I remember someone posted something along the lines of “Hey Mike, what are you doing? Rewriting history, and you?” :lol
I remember that interview, and I remember MP being a bit sheep-ish about it. But I don't remember him denying his role in DS's firing. MP may not have felt completely comfortable with it, because DS hadn't done anything wrong (and therefore wasn't deserving of being fired), but that doesn't mean that MP wasn't in agreement with it because he knew that JR's style was more in the direction that they wanted to take the band. Not sure how that's rewriting history. I don't remember MP throwing the rest of the band under the bus.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 04, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
In the end, Portnoy was sort of right about DT needing a break, with a slight amendment: they needed a break from him.  I think his control over the band had gone too far (Napolean complex anyone?) and the music was suffering as a result. The last two albums with him were good, but they were clearly on the downward slope, IMO.  Once he left, the trajectory then moved back upward with ADToE, and now here we are in 2019 with the band having just released what looks to be one of their one or two most well-received albums in the last 15 years.  No, they will never reach the consistent heights of 1992-2002 again, but had the band remained as it was in 2009 into the 2010's, I have my doubts as to whether they would have turned things around.

I only agree with half of that.  The two pre-break records were good not great, and they did need a break, but I can't honestly say I feel DT rebounded afterward.  There are moments on all the subsequent records that are good ("This Is The Life" is a top ten song for me) but I think the creative tension was necessary, and it's missing now.  I just did my top 15 records of 2010-2019, cheating to be closer to 20 and there are three records with Mike on there, and none of the DT records made the cut.

Okay, but what does have to do with Dream Theater?  If it was meant to imply that Dream Theater would have re-captured that very high level of greatness in regards to studio albums, that he captured on other albums in the 10's, had he remained in Dream Theater, I am not sure I agree.  It's clear that the band dynamic was "off" in his final years in it and a change was needed, especially since it appears clear that he had a falling out with both LaBrie and Myung.

As has been said by many of us, the change was not only best for everyone involved, but for the fans as well.  Dream Theater, by my watch, has had a resurgence since Mangini joined, and since it could easily be argued that Flying Colors wouldn't have happened if Portnoy was still in DT, I call that a major win.  Plus, perhaps Neal Morse's solo prog career never becomes the Neal Morse Band if Portnoy is still in DT, so there is also that.  The presence alone of the six albums combined by Flying Colors and Neal Morse Band means we've all won as a result of the split that happened in 2010.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2019, 07:38:45 AM
In the end, Portnoy was sort of right about DT needing a break, with a slight amendment: they needed a break from him.  I think his control over the band had gone too far (Napolean complex anyone?) and the music was suffering as a result. The last two albums with him were good, but they were clearly on the downward slope, IMO.  Once he left, the trajectory then moved back upward with ADToE, and now here we are in 2019 with the band having just released what looks to be one of their one or two most well-received albums in the last 15 years.  No, they will never reach the consistent heights of 1992-2002 again, but had the band remained as it was in 2009 into the 2010's, I have my doubts as to whether they would have turned things around.

I only agree with half of that.  The two pre-break records were good not great, and they did need a break, but I can't honestly say I feel DT rebounded afterward.  There are moments on all the subsequent records that are good ("This Is The Life" is a top ten song for me) but I think the creative tension was necessary, and it's missing now.  I just did my top 15 records of 2010-2019, cheating to be closer to 20 and there are three records with Mike on there, and none of the DT records made the cut.

Okay, but what does have to do with Dream Theater?  If it was meant to imply that Dream Theater would have re-captured that very high level of greatness in regards to studio albums, that he captured on other albums in the 10's, had he remained in Dream Theater, I am not sure I agree.  It's clear that the band dynamic was "off" in his final years in it and a change was needed, especially since it appears clear that he had a falling out with both LaBrie and Myung.

As has been said by many of us, the change was not only best for everyone involved, but for the fans as well.  Dream Theater, by my watch, has had a resurgence since Mangini joined, and since it could easily be argued that Flying Colors wouldn't have happened if Portnoy was still in DT, I call that a major win.  Plus, perhaps Neal Morse's solo prog career never becomes the Neal Morse Band if Portnoy is still in DT, so there is also that.  The presence alone of the six albums combined by Flying Colors and Neal Morse Band means we've all won as a result of the split that happened in 2010.

I'm not arguing, just answering your question.  What does it have to do with Dream Theater?  It's my confirmation that to me they didn't resurge.   I disagree that they had a resurgence.  I get a vibe of continuing down the same path.   Granted, The Astonishing was, creatively, a huge leap (even if they didn't stick the landing IMO) but the rest of the three albums just seem like coasting on autopilot to me.  A pretty high level of autopilot (they don't suck) but autopilot nonetheless.

I don't disagree that Mike has been involved in some pretty exciting work; his leaving indirectly opened me up to the world of Neal Morse and for that I am eternally grateful.   I don't argue with the last comment, that we all won.  Just FOR ME, Dream Theater isn't a material part of that equation.  They went from an "exceptional band" that I liked pre-2010, to "just one of many bands I like" post-2010.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 05, 2019, 08:53:25 AM
As has been said by many of us, the change was not only best for everyone involved, but for the fans as well.  Dream Theater, by my watch, has had a resurgence since Mangini joined, and since it could easily be argued that Flying Colors wouldn't have happened if Portnoy was still in DT, I call that a major win.  Plus, perhaps Neal Morse's solo prog career never becomes the Neal Morse Band if Portnoy is still in DT, so there is also that.  The presence alone of the six albums combined by Flying Colors and Neal Morse Band means we've all won as a result of the split that happened in 2010.

But we also got AMOB, Metal Allegiance and TWD :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2019, 08:58:42 AM
As has been said by many of us, the change was not only best for everyone involved, but for the fans as well.  Dream Theater, by my watch, has had a resurgence since Mangini joined, and since it could easily be argued that Flying Colors wouldn't have happened if Portnoy was still in DT, I call that a major win.  Plus, perhaps Neal Morse's solo prog career never becomes the Neal Morse Band if Portnoy is still in DT, so there is also that.  The presence alone of the six albums combined by Flying Colors and Neal Morse Band means we've all won as a result of the split that happened in 2010.

But we also got AMOB, Metal Allegiance and TWD :P

... and "The Astonishing" and "Live At Luna Park".  ;) :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 05, 2019, 09:08:35 AM


I'm not arguing, just answering your question.  What does it have to do with Dream Theater?  It's my confirmation that to me they didn't resurge.   I disagree that they had a resurgence.  I get a vibe of continuing down the same path.   Granted, The Astonishing was, creatively, a huge leap (even if they didn't stick the landing IMO) but the rest of the three albums just seem like coasting on autopilot to me.  A pretty high level of autopilot (they don't suck) but autopilot nonetheless.

I don't disagree that Mike has been involved in some pretty exciting work; his leaving indirectly opened me up to the world of Neal Morse and for that I am eternally grateful.   I don't argue with the last comment, that we all won.  Just FOR ME, Dream Theater isn't a material part of that equation.  They went from an "exceptional band" that I liked pre-2010, to "just one of many bands I like" post-2010.

I meant a resurgence in overall quality, not in forging a new path.  YMMV of course, but I know I am not alone in thinking the quality of their music trended back upward starting with ADToE.  On various sites, their two highest rated albums of the last 15 albums are ADToE and Distance over Time.  And that doesn't mean that Mangini > Portnoy. I prefer Portnoy as a drummer (leaving his personality out of the equation :P ), but I just think the band was really motivated to prove themselves again following his departure.  Same goes for the new album, as I think they knew that a lot of fans weren't wild about The Astonishing (I was, but many were not) and wanted to give the whole fan base a kick ass record again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2019, 09:23:45 AM
In the end, Portnoy was sort of right about DT needing a break, with a slight amendment: they needed a break from him.  I think his control over the band had gone too far (Napolean complex anyone?) and the music was suffering as a result. The last two albums with him were good, but they were clearly on the downward slope, IMO.  Once he left, the trajectory then moved back upward with ADToE, and now here we are in 2019 with the band having just released what looks to be one of their one or two most well-received albums in the last 15 years.  No, they will never reach the consistent heights of 1992-2002 again, but had the band remained as it was in 2009 into the 2010's, I have my doubts as to whether they would have turned things around.

I only agree with half of that.  The two pre-break records were good not great, and they did need a break, but I can't honestly say I feel DT rebounded afterward.  There are moments on all the subsequent records that are good ("This Is The Life" is a top ten song for me) but I think the creative tension was necessary, and it's missing now.  I just did my top 15 records of 2010-2019, cheating to be closer to 20 and there are three records with Mike on there, and none of the DT records made the cut.

Okay, but what does have to do with Dream Theater?  If it was meant to imply that Dream Theater would have re-captured that very high level of greatness in regards to studio albums, that he captured on other albums in the 10's, had he remained in Dream Theater, I am not sure I agree.  It's clear that the band dynamic was "off" in his final years in it and a change was needed, especially since it appears clear that he had a falling out with both LaBrie and Myung.

As has been said by many of us, the change was not only best for everyone involved, but for the fans as well.  Dream Theater, by my watch, has had a resurgence since Mangini joined, and since it could easily be argued that Flying Colors wouldn't have happened if Portnoy was still in DT, I call that a major win.  Plus, perhaps Neal Morse's solo prog career never becomes the Neal Morse Band if Portnoy is still in DT, so there is also that.  The presence alone of the six albums combined by Flying Colors and Neal Morse Band means we've all won as a result of the split that happened in 2010.

I'm not arguing, just answering your question.  What does it have to do with Dream Theater?  It's my confirmation that to me they didn't resurge.   I disagree that they had a resurgence.  I get a vibe of continuing down the same path.   Granted, The Astonishing was, creatively, a huge leap (even if they didn't stick the landing IMO) but the rest of the three albums just seem like coasting on autopilot to me.  A pretty high level of autopilot (they don't suck) but autopilot nonetheless.

I don't disagree that Mike has been involved in some pretty exciting work; his leaving indirectly opened me up to the world of Neal Morse and for that I am eternally grateful.   I don't argue with the last comment, that we all won.  Just FOR ME, Dream Theater isn't a material part of that equation.  They went from an "exceptional band" that I liked pre-2010, to "just one of many bands I like" post-2010.
Some of this has more to do with you than it does with them.  They had more things in mind than "What will Stadler think?" :)

But if we want to speak resurgence with Mangini, one easy thing to point to is that in all of Portnoy's time with the band, they had zero Grammy nominations.  Since he left, they have 2 Grammy nominations.  I mean, you can pooh-pooh awards shows if you want, but the Grammys are still a big deal, and one they never achieved until Mangini was in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 05, 2019, 10:05:16 AM
You misunderstand, though.  They should NEVER have had "what will Stadler think?" in mind (though I have "WWSD" t-shirts for sale if you want one!).  I'm not saying that to give myself any importance; just the opposite.  The point is that there is no universal truth to this.  It's all in the eye of the beholder.  If you criticize me for "what will Stadler think", then you MUST criticize KevShmev for the same thing, not because I'm right and he's wrong, but because neither one of us is doing anything other than sharing an opinion.

To counter the ratings at an un-named site I can't check, and two Grammy noms, I counter with the equally uncertain and subjective "album sales" and "chart positions".   Black Clouds hit no. 6 on the charts and moved 40,200 copies in the first week.  NO DT album has charted that high since (as close as 7) and the self-titled moved 30,000 in the first week.  The band has played Connecticut 11 times since 2000, and excluding one opening act slot, they've played the same place every time (the Oakdale, a 5,000 seat theater).   Similar sitch in Philly (I can't really see a pattern in NY or LA, but there are too many places of equivalent size to make any conclusions). 

I would also note the rampant complaints about the sound quality on the records, particularly Mangini's sound (though that's not meant to bag on him specifically).   

Again, not saying I'm right, just that there are arguments on both sides of the fence and neither are objectively determinative.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 05, 2019, 10:05:30 AM
I'm not sure DT had a resurgence, seems they've been mostly along the same path not just musically but in terms of sales and concert attendance.  They don't play bigger venues than they did 20 years ago.  They aren't selling more albums (no one is, but they have charted well and fairly consistently since BC&SL).  I think the only resurgence in any statistical way is from playing empty venues on the 2nd leg of TA tour in NA to filling those venues during I&W&B and the first leg of SFAM20 tours. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 05, 2019, 11:38:00 AM
And let's not forget how Bosk explained how the second leg of the tour was handled less than perfectly by the promoters so it's not even all on DT, but more on the organization of the tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2019, 11:49:36 AM
You misunderstand, though.  They should NEVER have had "what will Stadler think?" in mind (though I have "WWSD" t-shirts for sale if you want one!).  I'm not saying that to give myself any importance; just the opposite.  The point is that there is no universal truth to this.  It's all in the eye of the beholder.  If you criticize me for "what will Stadler think", then you MUST criticize KevShmev for the same thing, not because I'm right and he's wrong, but because neither one of us is doing anything other than sharing an opinion.

To counter the ratings at an un-named site I can't check, and two Grammy noms, I counter with the equally uncertain and subjective "album sales" and "chart positions".   Black Clouds hit no. 6 on the charts and moved 40,200 copies in the first week.  NO DT album has charted that high since (as close as 7) and the self-titled moved 30,000 in the first week.  The band has played Connecticut 11 times since 2000, and excluding one opening act slot, they've played the same place every time (the Oakdale, a 5,000 seat theater).   Similar sitch in Philly (I can't really see a pattern in NY or LA, but there are too many places of equivalent size to make any conclusions). 

I would also note the rampant complaints about the sound quality on the records, particularly Mangini's sound (though that's not meant to bag on him specifically).   

Again, not saying I'm right, just that there are arguments on both sides of the fence and neither are objectively determinative.
Certainly.  And to continue to play devil's advocate, I would say that any decrease in album sales since 2009 most likely mirrors the industry-wide downward trend in album sales over that time period brought on by the increase in streaming.

I would also say that although they may be doing the same old thing in Connecticut, they have also opened up new areas where they had never really toured before, such as here in North Carolina, where we are routinely getting 2-3 stops on the most recent tours.

*shrugs*
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 05, 2019, 11:50:20 AM
And let's not forget how Bosk explained how the second leg of the tour was handled less than perfectly by the promoters so it's not even all on DT, but more on the organization of the tour.
And from the reports by different ones who've attended shows on the current leg of the tour, it doesn't sound like the venues are being filled up to capacity or near that in many cases either.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 05, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
And let's not forget how Bosk explained how the second leg of the tour was handled less than perfectly by the promoters so it's not even all on DT, but more on the organization of the tour.
And from the reports by different ones who've attended shows on the current leg of the tour, it doesn't sound like the venues are being filled up to capacity or near that in many cases either.

Perhaps, but there could be many reasons for that, higher ticket prices for one.

To use Rush as an example, they went from filling up arenas in the 80's and 90's to averaging about 11-12K per show in the 00's (based on what I read years ago).  Heck, even here in St Louis, which was always one of the band's biggest supporters, the venues weren't quite as packed in the 21st century as they were in the 20th, and the surge in ticket prices likely had a lot to do with it (my Test for Echo value ticket price was like $38 and then Vapor Trails was over $100), as higher prices tend to scare off the casual fans, vs us diehards who will usually pay whatever we have to to see the band.  Now, DT prices have not spiked that much in the last 10 years, but they have definitely gone up, which is keeping up with the market. Concerts in general cost more now than ever before, and the price you are gonna pay for that sometimes is slightly smaller crowds.  Happens to the bigger acts as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 05, 2019, 02:08:39 PM
Could be, but I don't remember reading many comments about venues not being filled up on the first leg of the tour. It seems to be happening more on this second run. Part of it is probably the ticket prices, as well as the fact that there has been little change to the setlist and while they're not playing in the same cities as the first time, many of them are still close enough to those from the first leg, so that many who wanted to see the band already caught them the first time around. Judging by some of the comments I've read here and seen elsewhere, that certainly been the case for at least some fans.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 05, 2019, 02:26:03 PM
Could be, but I don't remember reading many comments about venues not being filled up on the first leg of the tour. It seems to be happening more on this second run. Part of it is probably the ticket prices, as well as the fact that there has been little change to the setlist and while they're not playing in the same cities as the first time, many of them are still close enough to those from the first leg, so that many who wanted to see the band already caught them the first time around. Judging by some of the comments I've read here and seen elsewhere, that certainly been the case for at least some fans.
The same thing happened on the second leg of the Astonishing tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 05, 2019, 02:53:59 PM
Could be, but I don't remember reading many comments about venues not being filled up on the first leg of the tour. It seems to be happening more on this second run. Part of it is probably the ticket prices, as well as the fact that there has been little change to the setlist and while they're not playing in the same cities as the first time, many of them are still close enough to those from the first leg, so that many who wanted to see the band already caught them the first time around. Judging by some of the comments I've read here and seen elsewhere, that certainly been the case for at least some fans.
The same thing happened on the second leg of the Astonishing tour.
Right. But as MirrorMask already mentioned, that was blamed primarily on the organizers of the tour not doing their job properly and booking them in a lot of the same cities they played the first time around. On this tour, that is not the case, even though many of the cities are within a reasonable driving distance from where they played on the first leg of the tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 05, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
Right. But as MirrorMask already mentioned, that was blamed primarily on the organizers of the tour not doing their job properly and booking them in a lot of the same cities they played the first time around. On this tour, that is not the case, even though many of the cities are within a reasonable driving distance from where they played on the first leg of the tour.

They played in Peoria Illinois the night before they played in St. Louis this leg. Peoria is all of (3) hours from St. Louis. I'd be willing to bet that had they eliminated one of those shows that the show that was left would have been much more full than it was. The St. Louis venue has about 3000 seats and it was half or a hair more than half full.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 05, 2019, 03:34:47 PM


They played in Peoria Illinois the night before they played in St. Louis this leg. Peoria is all of (3) hours from St. Louis. I'd be willing to bet that had they eliminated one of those shows that the show that was left would have been much more full than it was. The St. Louis venue has about 3000 seats and it was half or a hair more than half full.

Hmmm, was the balcony not very full?  Seems like on the floor where I was, the middle sections were pretty jam packed and then the side ones were not very full (I was only like 20 rows back and even the seats on the side in the same row on our side didn't have a lot of people).  Aside from the TA show here in '06, I saw DT here at the American Theater in '94 (that held maybe 1,500 people), Mississippi Nights in '00 (maybe 1,500 people or so) and the Pageant in '04 (around 2,000 people), and all of those were pretty jam packed, so it seems like they are still drawing about the same here in St Louis (1,500-2,000), but playing in a slightly bigger venue is naturally going to have more empty seats.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 06, 2019, 10:47:36 AM


To be fair, A7X was his choice at first, like Bosk was saying, but it obviously didn't play out the way he expected it to be. I think the idea of joining a well stablished band and using his arranging/production skills fully in that band would be another good option for him to consider, given where Mike's professional career is at right now. The problem there, tho, would be to find a big enough band that needs a drummer and that is satisfying musically for him to stay, and there's not many bands that'd fit that criteria out there. And it's not like he could go solo and just tour with a bunch of no names either, unless they are pretty good writers too, because MP isn't exactly a songwriter by himself. He needs good songwriters like Morse, Petrucci, Rudess, etc.

Follow the money; well established (mid level rock/metal) bands are probably hesitant to take a drummer like MP on full-time on a permanent basis because of the salary he commands. Take Ax7 for example, they had a number 1 record that is nearing platinum status and an extremely successful world tour and it still wasn’t enough to secure himself the gig. Why bring MP on when you can get an unknown who will do what they are told, do an album and tour for $50k and demand no publishing, writing credits, merch participation etc. All bullshit aside, I suspect $$$ played a much bigger role in Portnoy not being in Ax7 than anything else. It sounds cynical but no one in metal REALLY likes paying musicians (see Ozzy, Dio, Tobias Forge, the list goes on and on)

This is why Portnoy pretty much HAS to take on multiple projects, and they are usually (supergroup) projects where he has some skin in the game.

I disagree with that about as strongly as I possibly could given the lack of hard data to back up either of our positions.  Unless and until I hear something indicating that money was an issue, I'm not buying that it was.  A7X has a LOT more financial resources than DT ever had.  Even if they kept MP on as a long-term, semi-permanent "hired gun" and never made him a full member, he likely would have made more from that than he ever made in DT.  I disagree that he commands more money because of his status in DT. 

And regarding his making money in side projects, I'm betting that most of those projects generate peanuts.  He isn't making a whole lot of money from those.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 06, 2019, 10:50:13 AM
Isn't 'side projects' all MP does nowadays? SoA is his 'main band' but it feels like a side project and I can't believe it's making any money. I've often wondered this, even though it's not my business, but I see pictures of his freaking house: where does the man's money come from these days?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on November 06, 2019, 11:09:56 AM


To be fair, A7X was his choice at first, like Bosk was saying, but it obviously didn't play out the way he expected it to be. I think the idea of joining a well stablished band and using his arranging/production skills fully in that band would be another good option for him to consider, given where Mike's professional career is at right now. The problem there, tho, would be to find a big enough band that needs a drummer and that is satisfying musically for him to stay, and there's not many bands that'd fit that criteria out there. And it's not like he could go solo and just tour with a bunch of no names either, unless they are pretty good writers too, because MP isn't exactly a songwriter by himself. He needs good songwriters like Morse, Petrucci, Rudess, etc.

Follow the money; well established (mid level rock/metal) bands are probably hesitant to take a drummer like MP on full-time on a permanent basis because of the salary he commands. Take Ax7 for example, they had a number 1 record that is nearing platinum status and an extremely successful world tour and it still wasn’t enough to secure himself the gig. Why bring MP on when you can get an unknown who will do what they are told, do an album and tour for $50k and demand no publishing, writing credits, merch participation etc. All bullshit aside, I suspect $$$ played a much bigger role in Portnoy not being in Ax7 than anything else. It sounds cynical but no one in metal REALLY likes paying musicians (see Ozzy, Dio, Tobias Forge, the list goes on and on)

This is why Portnoy pretty much HAS to take on multiple projects, and they are usually (supergroup) projects where he has some skin in the game.

I disagree with that about as strongly as I possibly could given the lack of hard data to back up either of our positions.  Unless and until I hear something indicating that money was an issue, I'm not buying that it was.  A7X has a LOT more financial resources than DT ever had.  Even if they kept MP on as a long-term, semi-permanent "hired gun" and never made him a full member, he likely would have made more from that than he ever made in DT.  I disagree that he commands more money because of his status in DT. 


I agree with him bosk. Sure, we don't have the data to back any of these opinions up. That said, however, there is a lot of logic to the argument that it came down to money. Personally, I always thought MP splitting from A7X was due to three things:

1. The drama he brought to a low drama band (remember the timeframe for MP and what he was going through).
2. His big mouth and inability to close it. (That's just who he is, we all get it.)
3. Money.

My gut feeling was that A7X absolutely would have given him the drum throne. At the time, DT was at an all time popularity level, Mike was well known, he was the Rev's biggest influence (I could be wrong here, but I remember hearing how huge of a fan the Rev was of MP in particular), and it was a natural fit. And all was going as well as can be...at least from the outside looking in. UNTIL, of course, MP said something (I can't remember off the top of my head what it was) that was inflammatory, and again, if my cloudy memory has it right, A7X had to step in and set the record straight, publicly. And then from that point on, months later, then MP was just fulfilling dates and moving on.

If pressed, I'd say THAT was the deciding factor of why MP wasn't in A7X permanently. But the argument regarding money makes a ton of sense. Mike is one of the premier drummers in rock/metal. He would command, particularly for a full time band, a lot of MP's time, and a lot of money to keep MP there and financially secure in the way that he is accustomed to being (I don't know what he pulls down before taxes, but I am sure through everything he does, he's probably making 200k+ per year). As was illustrated above, when A7X sat down to decide, money was probably thrown out there. You gotta pay MP. You don't disrespect the man by offering something low.

Again, I don't think money was the primary reason A7X went a different direction. But I do think it was a consideration.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 06, 2019, 11:13:32 AM
Isn't 'side projects' all MP does nowadays? SoA is his 'main band' but it feels like a side project and I can't believe it's making any money. I've often wondered this, even though it's not my business, but I see pictures of his freaking house: where does the man's money come from these days?

His various side projects likely pay enough to keep the lights on, the kids fed, and the township happy. While he no doubt took a pay cut when he left DT (and there might have been a buyout involved), he spent 20+ years drawing a very nice salary from DT. Probably somewhere between dentist and doctor. If he took care of things he should be well into retirement territory right now, so the side gigs are plenty sufficient.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 06, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
Isn't 'side projects' all MP does nowadays? SoA is his 'main band' but it feels like a side project and I can't believe it's making any money. I've often wondered this, even though it's not my business, but I see pictures of his freaking house: where does the man's money come from these days?

Well, I'm guessing that he doesn't need quite as much of an income stream "these days" if the house is mostly or completely paid for.  But keep in mind that, aside from his musical output, he has brand sponsorships that likely generate a pretty good revenue stream for him.  If I had to guess, I would think he makes as much or more from that than from his actual musical output these days. 

I don't know exactly what his compensation arrangement was like with DT.  In fact, I know nothing specific at all.  But knowing a bit about how it frequently works in the industry, I'm guessing it looked something like this:  Everything the band makes goes into the band's corporate entity, and he and the other members like got a fixed base salary from the corporation.  He, John, and John may have gotten a bit more than James and Jordan since they were founding members, or it may have all been equal.  Not sure.  On top of that base salary, they all likely got issued bonuses once a year (or at some other interval) based on how much money the entity as a whole was able to generate and have on hand after paying all expenses.  There were likely other bonuses paid to specific members who took on other roles.  For example, Mike was a producer on the albums.  He ran Ytsejam records.  He ran an active forum and was sort of the driving media relations force of the band.  And he wore other hats as well, some of which related to the musical output, and some of which related to behind-the-scenes business management of the band.  Some or all of those may have entitled him to additional bonus payments.  So even if base salaries were equal for all members, Mike's income stream from the DT corporate entity was likely higher than most or all of the other band members. 

Another income stream Mike had (and likely still does have) is the publishing rights to DT's songs where he is credited as a writer.  This is where he individually gets money based on albums and singles sold, and DT songs appearing elsewhere that might generate revenue.  As a credited writer, he gets a certain percentage of revenue from wherever a given song appears.

Then Mike also had a lot of other things he did on the side to generate revenue.  And he was smart in terms of keeping overhead low.  For example, his drum cam videos.  He could produce, distribute, and sell those relatively cheaply, which means that even though they didn't likely generate a ton of money, what was generated was likely mostly profit.  And that is true of his other videos as well that were sold on his website.  (I am not including Ytsejam in this because I included it above on the DT side.  But it kind of overlaps.  If I had to guess, I'd say that all income from Ytsejam went back into the DT corporate entity.  But the profit margin was probably pretty high.  And since Mike ran it, I'm guessing he may have gotten a higher percentage from that than the other members, either directly, or through a "bonus" for running it.)

So that's the DT side of things.  If he was reasonably careful with his money and paid mostly cash for the house and bought at the right time, I wouldn't see his house as being out of line with what he's doing now.  It's not like he was starting from scratch when he bought it.  I don't know the markets in that part of the country.  So while I could be offbase here, I suspect that it was something along the lines of:  He bought a NICE (but not super extravagant) house in N.Y. in the early days that he could afford when the income was good, it appreciated GREATLY through the years as the real estate market overall boomed, and he sold it at a good time where he made a LOT of money on it, and was then able to buy something much bigger in a cheaper market.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 06, 2019, 11:26:00 AM
His house is valued around  $910k. Back when he bought it (I think he's been there a long while) it would have been considerably lower. Well within his means based on his likely salary. And I'm pretty sure he (or one of the others) have confirmed the basic setup you described. They all pulled a nice salary during the salad days, with bonuses based on profitability. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 06, 2019, 11:38:22 AM
I agree with him bosk. Sure, we don't have the data to back any of these opinions up. That said, however, there is a lot of logic to the argument that it came down to money. Personally, I always thought MP splitting from A7X was due to three things:

1. The drama he brought to a low drama band (remember the timeframe for MP and what he was going through).
2. His big mouth and inability to close it. (That's just who he is, we all get it.)
3. Money.

My gut feeling was that A7X absolutely would have given him the drum throne. At the time, DT was at an all time popularity level, Mike was well known, he was the Rev's biggest influence (I could be wrong here, but I remember hearing how huge of a fan the Rev was of MP in particular), and it was a natural fit. And all was going as well as can be...at least from the outside looking in. UNTIL, of course, MP said something (I can't remember off the top of my head what it was) that was inflammatory, and again, if my cloudy memory has it right, A7X had to step in and set the record straight, publicly. And then from that point on, months later, then MP was just fulfilling dates and moving on.

If pressed, I'd say THAT was the deciding factor of why MP wasn't in A7X permanently. But the argument regarding money makes a ton of sense. Mike is one of the premier drummers in rock/metal. He would command, particularly for a full time band, a lot of MP's time, and a lot of money to keep MP there and financially secure in the way that he is accustomed to being (I don't know what he pulls down before taxes, but I am sure through everything he does, he's probably making 200k+ per year). As was illustrated above, when A7X sat down to decide, money was probably thrown out there. You gotta pay MP. You don't disrespect the man by offering something low.

Again, I don't think money was the primary reason A7X went a different direction. But I do think it was a consideration.

Hey, you could be right.  I'm not going to pound the table and insist that my opinion is the right one.  And I agree with the vast majority of what you said with regard to your reasons 1 and 2.  But there is a slight inaccuracy in the facts, which causes me to somewhat disagree with the bolded paragraph.

Yes, from the outside, things were going well.  And it is obvious that Mike thought things were going well too.  It may even be that the A7X guys thought it was going well.  I would guess that they probably were mostly fine with it.

But Mike's public statements where they had to step in weren't "months" before, unless I am misremembering.  It was right before the end.  And that is important, for this reason:  (1) VERY shortly after Mike made his statements, his fixed term contract was nearing its end.  (2) At that time, he was told by A7X that they already has finished auditions and made a decision about who they were bringing in as a full member.  That's key.  Mike was a contract member for a fixed term.  When he ran his mouth publicly, he was told right afterward that they had their guy already in place.  The timeframe doesn't really add up to them pulling the trigger because of him running his mouth.  The process of finding their guy would likely have taken months.  I'm not discounting at all that they are very private guys and that Mike's conduct rubbed them the wrong way.  But I think it had little to do with the decision simply because the timing suggests that the decision had already been made before he publicly said anything.  So I don't think there's any reason to doubt what they said publicly about the reasons, which is that, just as they told Mike from day 1, he was coming in as a temp on a fixed term contract.  I know that, as the tour went on, Mike felt like it could be a great long-term fit, and he talked himself into thinking it could be a permanent gig.  But I think that is just a case of him failing to read the room.

So going back to the money, I just don't know.  I hear what you are saying.  But I'm not persuaded.  And the main reason is because, again, the way everything unfolded is COMPLETELY consistent with what everybody agrees that Mike was told from day 1 when he was initially brought in.  I just don't feel the need to look for other reasons when the original party line before he was even in the band fits exactly what unfolded in the ensuing months.  Now maybe money was one of the factors that they were looking at right up front, and that was one of the many factors that led to him being brought in as a hired gun in the first place.  But I don't see it as something that would have come up later and been a big obstacle if they had any intent whatsoever of bringing him in full-time but for the money.  I could be wrong on that, but I just don't see it.  And while there's nothing wrong with the theory behind it (it makes perfect sense and certainly isn't unreasonable), my way of thinking is to not put much credence into it because there isn't really any evidence to make me lean toward thinking it is anything more than just a theory.  So, that's my thought process.  Not trying to justify it as necessarily having to be correct, but just wanted to further explain why I think what I think.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on November 06, 2019, 07:33:27 PM

At the same time, DT continues to be "just a band". A few guys write the music, chip in with the lyrics, they do DT stuff, they try out different approaches and remain true to themselves and their creative vision, not trying to reinvent the wheel. It's good for them, and they like it. Maybe someone misses the guy who used to carry a camera around and think of different performances and projects they could do and write different setlists and bring people into a room to record a DVD commentary track and select out-of-the-box influences to bring into the recording room. I miss that aspect of DT sometimes as well. But we got 25 years of that, and besides, the most important aspect of MP's presence in the band - his taste in music - I'm really not on the same page with it anymore.

Don't have much evidence to support it, but I think Mike just burnt out on Dream Theater. It's not an easy thing to try and control all of  the extra curricular (the only one in the band that would obsess of every detail and it seemed to become less fun the longer it went on.) He seems to be a lot happier(maybe relieved is a better word?) since he let go of that burden.  I'm sure he still brings that to other things, but I don't think there's as much pressure  to try to please everyone as there used to be.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on November 06, 2019, 07:42:02 PM


As has been said by many of us, the change was not only best for everyone involved, but for the fans as well.  Dream Theater, by my watch, has had a resurgence since Mangini joined, and since it could easily be argued that Flying Colors wouldn't have happened if Portnoy was still in DT, I call that a major win.  Plus, perhaps Neal Morse's solo prog career never becomes the Neal Morse Band if Portnoy is still in DT, so there is also that.  The presence alone of the six albums combined by Flying Colors and Neal Morse Band means we've all won as a result of the split that happened in 2010.

That's my position generally with every split.   Post-Gabriel Genesis - Gabriel Solo, Hackett Solo......Fish-Post-Fish Marillion,   Portnoy-Post-Portnoy Dream Theater

For me that stuff is as good if not better.

 Doesn't really work with the Waters-Floyd thing in my case because I'm in the Waters camp there although Glimour has done a few sweet solo live albums in recent years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cruithne on November 07, 2019, 02:37:15 AM
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But Mike's public statements where they had to step in weren't "months" before, unless I am misremembering.  It was right before the end.  And that is important, for this reason:  (1) VERY shortly after Mike made his statements, his fixed term contract was nearing its end.  (2) At that time, he was told by A7X that they already has finished auditions and made a decision about who they were bringing in as a full member.  That's key.

As far as (2) is concerned you're mis-remembering.

"We begged him to consider what he did, because we were in no position to find a permanent replacement"

http://bravewords.com/news/avenged-sevenfold-guitarist-discusses-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-post-dream-theater-fallout-in-new-video-interview-thats-not-how-we-do-business
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 07, 2019, 05:15:53 AM
Don't have much evidence to support it, but I think Mike just burnt out on Dream Theater. It's not an easy thing to try and control all of  the extra curricular (the only one in the band that would obsess of every detail and it seemed to become less fun the longer it went on.) He seems to be a lot happier(maybe relieved is a better word?) since he let go of that burden.  I'm sure he still brings that to other things, but I don't think there's as much pressure  to try to please everyone as there used to be.
It's probably easier to do these things when you have a really good relationship with the rest of your band, but MP said post-split that relationships with JM and JLB had been strained for a while. Maybe that was his post-split rationalization, but I take everything he said about the split at face value. He was on a roll, seeing how fun and inspiring it was to dive full time into a completely different musical world as a hired gun, and saw a bright future ahead where he could continue doing that, if only DT agreed to take a longer break. But they said no.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 07, 2019, 09:59:14 AM

At the same time, DT continues to be "just a band". A few guys write the music, chip in with the lyrics, they do DT stuff, they try out different approaches and remain true to themselves and their creative vision, not trying to reinvent the wheel. It's good for them, and they like it. Maybe someone misses the guy who used to carry a camera around and think of different performances and projects they could do and write different setlists and bring people into a room to record a DVD commentary track and select out-of-the-box influences to bring into the recording room. I miss that aspect of DT sometimes as well. But we got 25 years of that, and besides, the most important aspect of MP's presence in the band - his taste in music - I'm really not on the same page with it anymore.

Don't have much evidence to support it, but I think Mike just burnt out on Dream Theater. It's not an easy thing to try and control all of  the extra curricular (the only one in the band that would obsess of every detail and it seemed to become less fun the longer it went on.) He seems to be a lot happier(maybe relieved is a better word?) since he let go of that burden.  I'm sure he still brings that to other things, but I don't think there's as much pressure  to try to please everyone as there used to be.

That's something that many people didn't understad at first. He said he needed a break and lots of fans thought it meant "I'm going to take some time off and slow down a bit", but he headed into launching 4363473 new bands. I always got that he meant that he was burned out of the work with DT and actually needed a break from that. And I was cool with it. Sadly, what got him there is that he wanted to be in control of SO MUCH at the same time that he wasn't willing to let some ot them go (or maybe the rest just got used to him doing it) so that he could have a more relaxed "job" aside from actually writing/recording/touring. Some of his last interviews while on DT were about how he always wore so many hats outside of just being the drummer for a band, and he took pride in it, but he was definitely feeling burnt out by it, and the relationships inside the band were suffering because of his control freak attitude. I still remember an interview with Jordan right after MP left where he said Mike was like "DT police" always wanting to have a say on what they played or wrote or did with the band. It was frustrating for them too.


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But Mike's public statements where they had to step in weren't "months" before, unless I am misremembering.  It was right before the end.  And that is important, for this reason:  (1) VERY shortly after Mike made his statements, his fixed term contract was nearing its end.  (2) At that time, he was told by A7X that they already has finished auditions and made a decision about who they were bringing in as a full member.  That's key.

As far as (2) is concerned you're mis-remembering.

"We begged him to consider what he did, because we were in no position to find a permanent replacement"

http://bravewords.com/news/avenged-sevenfold-guitarist-discusses-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-post-dream-theater-fallout-in-new-video-interview-thats-not-how-we-do-business

What I remember is that they always said it was a temporary thing for a fixed period of time. He decided to quit DT and said "I can be with you guys full time now", and they said no way, we never talked about this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2019, 12:14:32 PM
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But Mike's public statements where they had to step in weren't "months" before, unless I am misremembering.  It was right before the end.  And that is important, for this reason:  (1) VERY shortly after Mike made his statements, his fixed term contract was nearing its end.  (2) At that time, he was told by A7X that they already has finished auditions and made a decision about who they were bringing in as a full member.  That's key.

As far as (2) is concerned you're mis-remembering.

"We begged him to consider what he did, because we were in no position to find a permanent replacement"

http://bravewords.com/news/avenged-sevenfold-guitarist-discusses-drummer-mike-portnoy-and-post-dream-theater-fallout-in-new-video-interview-thats-not-how-we-do-business

What I remember is that they always said it was a temporary thing for a fixed period of time. He decided to quit DT and said "I can be with you guys full time now", and they said no way, we never talked about this.

Yeah, exactly.  That's the crux of it.  But Cruithne is right in what he posted--I did misremember part of that and mixed up some of the facts with Mangini auditioning with DT, so he was right to correct me.  But, yeah, the plan was always for Mike just to be a temp.  They didn't know what direction they were going to take in terms of a permanent drummer, and it turned out that Arin Ilejay ended up being the guy and then was LATER made a permanent member (and then eventually parted ways).  But I guess I was also partly wrong about the money as well.  I poking around and doing some research, I found an interview where they actually do mention that and say it was a factor right from the beginning in their mindset in just having Mike fill in temporarily while they figured out what they were doing to do, whether they would even continue on, and just trying to cope with Rev's death:

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Gates: I think he definitely wanted to. And it would have been really nice. He's a great guy and a great drummer, and we consider him family. But it's just He's "Mike Portnoy." He's established. He makes a lot of money. More than we can really dish out, especially at this point. And my whole thing after Jimmy ["The Rev" Sullivan, AVENGED SEVENFOLD's late drummer] died was if we were ever going to do this, I wanted to give a young kid a chance. That would have been a dream come true, to breathe some new life from a death. And so this feels right.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/avenged-sevenfold-we-urged-mike-portnoy-against-quitting-dream-theater/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 07, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
I don't know how much I would say that the money thing was a factor just because I'd imagine MP would've been willing to take a pay cut if he could've stayed on with A7X on a permanent basis. I mean, he willingly took a pay cut the moment that he split from the band. He knew that. And he was willing to do that because he felt it was more important to be happy than to simply continue collecting a fat paycheck.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2019, 11:14:06 AM
MP at it again: https://www.facebook.com/justinknoxph/videos/782193328868889/





 :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on November 09, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
Classless comment. I used to be such a huge fan. Not so
much nowadays. I guess I'll pass on MMXX.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ? on November 09, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
Just for fun, here's a list of all DT songs Mike has performed live so far with different bands since leaving DT in 2010:

Take the Time (Noturnall)
Under a Glass Moon (Noturnall)
The Mirror (Haken, MP Shattered Fortress)
A Change of Seasons: I. The Crimson Sunrise (Metal Masters, PSMS)
Burning my Soul (PSMS)
Hell's Kitchen (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
Lines in the Sand (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
Just Let me Breathe (Sons of Apollo)
Anna Lee (PSMS)
Overture 1928 (MP Shattered Fortress)
Strange Deja Vu (MP Shattered Fortress)
Home (MP Shattered Fortress)
The Dance of Eternity (MP Shattered Fortress)
Finally Free (MP Shattered Fortress)
The Glass Prison (MP Shattered Fortress)
As I Am (Noturnall)
This Dying Soul (MP Shattered Fortress)
The Root of All Evil (MP Shattered Fortress)
Repentance (Flying Colors, MP Shattered Fortress)
The Shattered Fortress (MP Shattered Fortress)
I vaguely recall that he also played Peruvian Skies, either with his son's band or the opening act for one of his own bands, but I can't remember where I read about it.
We discussed it here on the SOA thread, because I remember someone posted something along the lines of “Hey Mike, what are you doing? Rewriting history, and you?” :lol
That was me actually :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on November 09, 2019, 12:21:32 PM
Well that was a stupid thing to say on air. He really doesn’t think sometimes, does he?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 09, 2019, 12:33:42 PM
Well that was a stupid thing to say on air. He really doesn’t think sometimes, does he?

Yeah, one would think that by now he would have learnt. He was clearly joking, he wasn't fuming with hatred while saying that, but still a tasteless joke and again - he should know better by now.

Also, nerd alert, I'd like to hand him the Time Stone to travel back in time and avoid getting in the first place James' "annyoing vocals", good luck breaking it big with Charlie Dominici singing Pull Me Under or with another random singer. Enjoy your bar band carreer without the lucky coincidence of the PERFECT singer at the right time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SeRoX on November 09, 2019, 01:02:58 PM
I'm not surprised. He's been so quite.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 09, 2019, 01:18:35 PM
Well that was a stupid thing to say on air. He really doesn’t think sometimes, does he?

Well, he thought they were not on the air, but honestly, I feel like that off the cuff type of comment really shouldn't be made to anyone with any media connections, because something like this could spread all kinds of clickbait nonsense (not from the radio, but elsewhere).  Now Blabbermouth is going to run away with it somehow since the video is there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on November 09, 2019, 01:32:11 PM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on November 09, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
MP at it again: https://www.facebook.com/justinknoxph/videos/782193328868889/





 :corn

I don't have a Facebook, what did he do this time?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 09, 2019, 01:45:33 PM
MP at it again: https://www.facebook.com/justinknoxph/videos/782193328868889/





 :corn

I don't have a Facebook, what did he do this time?

This is the conversation transcribed by a reply post in that link.

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DJ : but liguid tension was good, the problem is the language
MP : but that was make it good, THAT'S LIKE DREAM THEATER WITHOUT ANNOYING VOCALS, it was perfect.
ALL : (laughing)
MP : We're not on the air right?
DJ : Yes we are
MP : ARE WE?!!!!!
DJ : but nobody understand english here , i will not translate it , no problem

Edit: Now it's been removed or inaccessible in that link.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 09, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
He's obviously talking about himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 09, 2019, 02:17:54 PM


To be fair, A7X was his choice at first, like Bosk was saying, but it obviously didn't play out the way he expected it to be. I think the idea of joining a well stablished band and using his arranging/production skills fully in that band would be another good option for him to consider, given where Mike's professional career is at right now. The problem there, tho, would be to find a big enough band that needs a drummer and that is satisfying musically for him to stay, and there's not many bands that'd fit that criteria out there. And it's not like he could go solo and just tour with a bunch of no names either, unless they are pretty good writers too, because MP isn't exactly a songwriter by himself. He needs good songwriters like Morse, Petrucci, Rudess, etc.

Follow the money; well established (mid level rock/metal) bands are probably hesitant to take a drummer like MP on full-time on a permanent basis because of the salary he commands. Take Ax7 for example, they had a number 1 record that is nearing platinum status and an extremely successful world tour and it still wasn’t enough to secure himself the gig. Why bring MP on when you can get an unknown who will do what they are told, do an album and tour for $50k and demand no publishing, writing credits, merch participation etc. All bullshit aside, I suspect $$$ played a much bigger role in Portnoy not being in Ax7 than anything else. It sounds cynical but no one in metal REALLY likes paying musicians (see Ozzy, Dio, Tobias Forge, the list goes on and on)

This is why Portnoy pretty much HAS to take on multiple projects, and they are usually (supergroup) projects where he has some skin in the game.

I disagree with that about as strongly as I possibly could given the lack of hard data to back up either of our positions.  Unless and until I hear something indicating that money was an issue, I'm not buying that it was.  A7X has a LOT more financial resources than DT ever had.  Even if they kept MP on as a long-term, semi-permanent "hired gun" and never made him a full member, he likely would have made more from that than he ever made in DT.  I disagree that he commands more money because of his status in DT. 

And regarding his making money in side projects, I'm betting that most of those projects generate peanuts.  He isn't making a whole lot of money from those.

If I’ve learned anything about the music business, and lineup changes over the years, it’s ALWAYS about money. To clarify, it’s less about what Portnoy “commands” and more about perception and having an ownership/participation in the music. And it’s probably not even on the Portnoy side; I’m sure he would have done Ax7 for free, but they were most likely hesitant in keeping someone on they knew would be unhappy given zero publishing credits and a small salary and kept as a “hired gun”. I would assume that plays a big role in what Ax7 means when they say “Portnoy wasn’t the right fit”. As another poster mention; it’s a respect thing when you’re dealing with someone of Portnoy’s caliber. And surprise surprise they went with a complete nobody for their next album.  So, sure, maybe not DIRECTLY about the money...but indirectly...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lupton on November 09, 2019, 02:48:45 PM
Funny. I felt the exact same thing 1st time I heard LTE
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2019, 03:29:02 PM
I don't have a Facebook, what did he do this time?

This is the conversation transcribed by a reply post in that link.

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DJ : but liguid tension was good, the problem is the language
MP : but that was make it good, THAT'S LIKE DREAM THEATER WITHOUT ANNOYING VOCALS, it was perfect.
ALL : (laughing)
MP : We're not on the air right?
DJ : Yes we are
MP : ARE WE?!!!!!
DJ : but nobody understand english here , i will not translate it , no problem

Edit: Now it's been removed or inaccessible in that link.

It seems the post has been removed, but the video should be out there somewhere, hopefully Blabbermouth finds it soon :biggrin:
That transcription is accurate, they were talking about LTE and Mike says that what made it perfect was that it was like DT without the annoying vocals, which I find funny considering how most of HIS vocals with DT were annoying (ROOOAAAAAARRRGGHHHHHHHHH) :lol

Btw, the video was from a couple days ago, he appeared on a radio show in Brazil with Noturnall (the band he's touring as a guest with).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 09, 2019, 04:23:08 PM
Never thought I'd live to see the day Mike Portnoy makes one of those meathead jokes people who never listen to Dream Theater make.

What's next Mike, their songs are also, like, sooo loong? And what's with all the solos, amirite?

Boom, smash, that will be $10.95, and send me the royalties if you use this on your next standup comedian tour.

Watch him blame this on us and not on himself for talking shit literally mic'd and on camera.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2019, 04:48:56 PM
Found it on YouTube :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbOf_uczXI
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: YtseJam on November 09, 2019, 05:28:54 PM
You know that's how he feels, it's evident, so why cover it up? It would be good to hear these guys start slinging some mud and letting out their true feelings.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 09, 2019, 05:42:00 PM
Never thought I'd live to see the day Mike Portnoy makes one of those meathead jokes people who never listen to Dream Theater make.

What's next Mike, their songs are also, like, sooo loong? And what's with all the solos, amirite?


Those are my thoughts. I get ALOT of people feel that way about DT and maybe he’s totally being sarcastic but to say that about a band you spent 25 years hyping up just makes you come off like an ass.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on November 09, 2019, 08:07:22 PM
Found it on YouTube :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbOf_uczXI

That’s really bad
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 09, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
Get ready for some more Portnoy bellyaching about Blabbermouth twisting his words by quoting them verbatim and presenting the full context.  ::)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 09, 2019, 08:56:34 PM
You know that's how he feels, it's evident, so why cover it up? It would be good to hear these guys start slinging some mud and letting out their true feelings.

Pigs sling and roll around in the mud.

The current members of Dream Theater are not pigs.  The same cannot be said for some of their former members.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 09, 2019, 10:21:51 PM
Okay so I watched the clip...not as bad as I thought. I think he genuinely thought they weren’t on the air and you can tell by his body language at the end he knew right away how badly he fucked up.

Still a stupid thing to say and like someone else said you just KNOW he’s going to make things 10 times worse by going on social and play the victim card of the media storm about to come.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SeRoX on November 10, 2019, 01:46:37 AM
he appeared on a radio show in Brazil with Noturnall (the band he's touring as a guest with).

Funny thing James toured with this band a year ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 10, 2019, 08:13:24 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 10, 2019, 09:40:19 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

I'll give you another one.

There was clearly a discussion around not understanding the language. What was said before this clip started? There might be some context missing.

My first thought was that maybe these guys were mentioning they were having issues enjoying DT because they can't understand the language/lyrics.

I don't know, I just don't subscribe to guilty until proven innocent. Especially when we have only 30 seconds of a discussion to dissect.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 10, 2019, 09:51:50 AM
Eh, it's well documented at this point that Mike and James don't really like each other, and coupled with Mike almost firing James in the early 00s because of his performance on stage, well, hard to give him the benefit of the doubt (along with how he acted after leaving DT, just closing and deleting threads about James and his solo tour without any explanation and having his mods chastise people when they asked about it).

Classy move from Mike </sarcasm>. Let me know how making history works the second time around
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 10, 2019, 01:05:31 PM
What if James gave an interview where he said he loves the Mangini era DT albums because they’re like the older ones but without the annoying drumming. Don’t you think a lot of MP diehards (and even Mike himself) would be angry about it and would call James disrespectful? It’s just not a very classy/kind thing to say. Now, Mike has never been too polite or “careful” with his word choices referring to DT in the last 9+ years, plus all the backstory we have on how he doesn’t like James very much, and we’re really suggesting he wanted to say something different? It’s pretty clear, by his language and posture, that he’s taking a serious shot at something/someone and he clearly gets uncomfortable when he realizes he’s live, because he just said something wrong, that could most likely backfire.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 10, 2019, 01:45:56 PM
Eh, I think he's right. Lot of people do.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 10, 2019, 02:28:27 PM
Eh, I think he's right. Lot of people do.

Let's say for the sake of argument that he is right: Does that make it okay to say it?

What if you walked by a 400-lb person on the street, someone you had never seen before, and said to them, "Wow, you are really fat!" Would that be okay because you are right?

For the record, this comment by Portnoy is not that big a deal and not at all surprising, since a) he has taken subtle and not-so subtle shots at LaBrie, off and on, for nearly two decades, and b) does anyone really expect class and grace from Mike Portnoy? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on November 10, 2019, 02:56:17 PM
Vocals and quality of music aside, LTE doesn't sound much like DT to me at all. But I am not an instrumental guy and LTE material doesn't interest me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 10, 2019, 03:01:33 PM
Eh, I think he's right. Lot of people do.

Let's say for the sake of argument that he is right: Does that make it okay to say it?
No. It doesn't. At the same time I've long accepted that MP is damned no matter what he says. When he tries to be tactful, which is not his strong suit, it's seen as passive aggression. If I were in his shoes I'd probably stick with tactless honesty, myself.

And this is different than the 400 pound man. That would be deliberately hurtful to the guy. JLB doesn't give a damn what MP's opinions about him are, and they are just opinions.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on November 10, 2019, 05:31:07 PM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

Wow, someone’s trying really hard to give Mike a pass on this one! I think the “oh shit, we’re not on the air are we?” reaction tells us exactly what he meant coupled with his many, many digs at JLB’s vocals over the years, even when he was still in the band. Not really an issue for me anymore as Mike is long gone but it’s pretty clear what he meant.

It’s pretty rich considering I know many people who find Neal Morse’s vocals annoying and I personally can’t even listen to Flying Colors because of the singer. As for Russell Allen, well the less said about his performance on the Adrenaline Mob album, the better.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 10, 2019, 06:37:38 PM
Eh, I think he's right. Lot of people do.

Let's say for the sake of argument that he is right: Does that make it okay to say it?

What if you walked by a 400-lb person on the street, someone you had never seen before, and said to them, "Wow, you are really fat!" Would that be okay because you are right?

For the record, this comment by Portnoy is not that big a deal and not at all surprising, since a) he has taken subtle and not-so subtle shots at LaBrie, off and on, for nearly two decades, and b) does anyone really expect class and grace from Mike Portnoy?

Here's the thing, though.  If you walked by a 400-lb person on the street and said that, it's between you and Fatso whether it's okay or not.  Not up to me to say whether it's "classy" or not, or to assume your meaning, or whatever.   

Wow, someone’s trying really hard to give Mike a pass on this one! I think the “oh shit, we’re not on the air are we?” reaction tells us exactly what he meant coupled with his many, many digs at JLB’s vocals over the years, even when he was still in the band. Not really an issue for me anymore as Mike is long gone but it’s pretty clear what he meant.

It’s pretty rich considering I know many people who find Neal Morse’s vocals annoying and I personally can’t even listen to Flying Colors because of the singer. As for Russell Allen, well the less said about his performance on the Adrenaline Mob album, the better.

Not at all giving anyone a pass.  I was very clear that I'm not making a judgement either way, and that's the real point.  He might have absolutely meant it to mean "James sucks balls and I hate every one of his vocals to this day".  So what? The last part is irrelevant.  You're just kind of making my point for me; if someone can think Morse annoying, then - assuming the worst case scenario - why can't Mike find James annoying? It's the same thing. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on November 10, 2019, 06:57:53 PM
Only saw this now, but if there's one constant in life, it's that an artist in the twilight of his career will turn up the "heat" in the hope of being noticed again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 10, 2019, 07:05:35 PM
And this is different than the 400 pound man. That would be deliberately hurtful to the guy. JLB doesn't give a damn what MP's opinions about him are, and they are just opinions.

Okay, now that is something with which I can agree.  If JLB saw that video, he'd probably laugh to himself and think, "What a sad, bitter little man our ex-drummer has become."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: PetFish on November 10, 2019, 10:08:41 PM
MP tomorrow probably:  READ THE TRANSCRIPT!  WITCH HUNT!  FAKE NEWS!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 11, 2019, 01:50:16 AM
Honestly, the juvenile part of me wants this to devolve into some big drama between James & Mike. Such a thing seems to have been bubbling up for a while now, & I think it'd be entertaining to see it unfold in some on-air heated argument between the two, or something. :corn




(Yeah, I'm not a very person, am I :|)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 11, 2019, 02:25:43 AM
Eh, I think he's right. Lot of people do.

Let's say for the sake of argument that he is right: Does that make it okay to say it?
No. It doesn't. At the same time I've long accepted that MP is damned no matter what he says.

Not true. He says stuff all the time nobody cares about or makes a big deal about.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 11, 2019, 04:40:22 AM
Do we know that Mike was criticising JLB or just vocals in general?

We know Mike is a big Frank Zappa fan, and Frank always used to say that he was writing instrumental music, and the only reason that he put vocals on there at all was because it was what record companies insisted on.

I tend to listen to the instrumentation on an album rather than the singer, and I've frequently wished some of my favourite albums existed in instrumental form as I often find words and singing get in the way. That's not dissing those singers, just saying that it's not the think I tend to focus on. Perhaps Mike feels the same way.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Art on November 11, 2019, 05:14:32 AM
MP tomorrow probably:  READ THE TRANSCRIPT!  WITCH HUNT!  FAKE NEWS!

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 11, 2019, 06:48:00 AM
Do we know that Mike was criticising JLB or just vocals in general?

We know Mike is a big Frank Zappa fan, and Frank always used to say that he was writing instrumental music, and the only reason that he put vocals on there at all was because it was what record companies insisted on.

I tend to listen to the instrumentation on an album rather than the singer, and I've frequently wished some of my favourite albums existed in instrumental form as I often find words and singing get in the way. That's not dissing those singers, just saying that it's not the think I tend to focus on. Perhaps Mike feels the same way.

Sure, that's why all his current bands are instrumental only...


Oh, wait....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2019, 07:04:23 AM
Sure, that's why all his current bands are instrumental only...


Oh, wait....

 :lol

Really, Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is almost always the correct one.

Nobody is saying that MP woke up that morning fuming at the idea of the mere existance of JLB and thought "Man, I can't wait to diss him first time I get". He simply made a tasteless joke, he's not the first musician to speak his mind when caught off guard and he won't be the last, and certainly he's not the worst - heck, there's a video out there of Ronnie James Dio saying that he hopes that Vivian Campbell dies or something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on November 11, 2019, 08:51:22 AM
What we all heard in the video are the words in which he spoke, "It's like Dream Theater without annoying vocals." He realized he screwed up. the interviewer implied that he'd cover for MP by not translating it.

We all have those "foot in mouth" moments in life and I tend to give grace to people because I'd want it to be given to me. I think MP was probably caught up in the moment of the interview, but that's not an excuse. He needs to own it, make an apology, and move on. That's the right thing to do. I've had to do the same in my life. Don't defend the mistake. Own it as a mistake and make it right.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 11, 2019, 08:52:57 AM
In watching the video... I kind of took at as Mike making fun of DT detractors.

A common insult to DT is "great musicians with annoying vocals" so it was like Mike was ironically taking on the role of one of those people as a joke.   



Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on November 11, 2019, 08:57:54 AM
In watching the video... I kind of took at as Mike making fun of DT detractors.

A common insult to DT is "great musicians with annoying vocals" so it was like Mike was ironically taking on the role of one of those people as a joke.

That's how I'm taking it too.  I don't see it as a personal shot at JLB, just him saying "hey, it's just the music without the vocals getting in the way"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on November 11, 2019, 09:18:02 AM
Well MP was ruining Dream Theater with his vocals so...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 11, 2019, 09:18:53 AM
Yeah I really don't think so.  Especially the way he then asked if they were on the air.  If he was making fun of DT detractors, he probably would have had a different expression, different tone of voice, and/or would have then gone on to say something like "I remember people saying stuff like that about DT" etc.  Note that I said "probably" - I'm not pretending to be a mind reader, but basing it on interactions I've had with people, including Mike.  Doesn't at all feel to me like he's making fun of detractors.

Totally agree with Anxiety35. Not the end of the world, there's an easy and simple way past it.  But Mike hasn't been know for doing that unfortunately; he's been more likely to try to defend it and it's really unnecessary.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 11, 2019, 09:20:08 AM
Well MP was ruining Dream Theater with his vocals so...

I probably wouldn't have gone so far as to say "ruin," but I pretty much feel the same way. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on November 11, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
Well MP was ruining Dream Theater with his vocals so...

I probably wouldn't have gone so far as to say "ruin," but I pretty much feel the same way. 


Ruin is a strong word, but once he began to insert himself into the second lead vocalist role, the songs started suffering. I think his vocals on The Glass Prison are fine. Not much or anything else after that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 11, 2019, 09:28:44 AM
Mike Portnoy: is Mike Portnoy again

Me: SMH
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on November 11, 2019, 09:52:18 AM
To me, it's just another example of MP not controlling himself, and sticking his foot in his mouth.

It doesn't matter HOW he meant it. The fact he said it, even under the guise he was off-air, speaks volumes. Enough already. Grow the F up. Sure, depending on context you could take it as a joke (all those nutty sharp high notes, har har, etc.). But MP just never seems to get the big picture.  It's sad, really.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on November 11, 2019, 09:54:07 AM
Mike Portnoy: is Mike Portnoy again

Me: SMH
This. I understand that he was just speaking his mind, and apparently didn’t think he was on-air. However, he’s said douchey things quite purposefully in a public forum many times. He’s allowed to have his opinions but at his age, he should have a little more class when speaking to media types or fans. It obviously wasn’t a private setting. But then again, being classy has never really been his forte. His personality was fun and entertaining when I was 15, not so much when I’m 33.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on November 11, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
MP taking a random jab at JLB is just plain wrong, especially since it was the addition of James' voice that helped propel DT into the mainstream and ultimately helped make MP a household name in prog and metal circles. :-\
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2019, 12:07:47 PM
I'd kind of like if this just squashed the idea of a LTE follow up that he's talked about.  I'd hope JP and JR don't feel the need to do DT without the annoying vocals.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on November 11, 2019, 12:22:33 PM
Just made it to Blabbermouth
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-liquid-tension-experiment-was-like-dream-theater-without-annoying-vocals/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
Just made it to Blabbermouth
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-liquid-tension-experiment-was-like-dream-theater-without-annoying-vocals/

Well, half agree with him in the comments  ::)

My "favorite" comment is the one that called LaBrie "the last guy in". Sure, back in 1992, but he's on all DT albums except one and has the longest tenure of anybody else (past members included) except the two Johns  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 11, 2019, 01:13:14 PM
It doesn’t matter if it was a tasteless joke, if it was meant to be off-air or if it was tiny slip; it was a very crappy thing to say but once again it’s so in his character it’s not surprising at all.

And also, expert people at missing the point: “ISN’T HE RIGHT THO? LOL”. It’s not about if you like JLB or you despise him, it’s about MP behaving like a child who needs scolding to understand the impact of words and that comments like that don’t make you sound “cool” at all, but the complete exact opposite.

Oh, it’s kinda sad to see someone you admired so much falling from grace so quickly and harshly.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 11, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
Oh, it’s kinda sad to see someone you admired so much falling from grace so quickly and harshly.

I dunno about quickly, but yeah, in 9 years the dude has just lost almost all the respect I had for him, and there was a whole lot there. Still love the drumming he's done with DT but post-DT he just seems so salty
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2019, 01:23:22 PM
It doesn’t matter if it was a tasteless joke, if it was meant to be off-air or if it was tiny slip; it was a very crappy thing to say but once again it’s so in his character it’s not surprising at all.

And also, expert people at missing the point: “ISN’T HE RIGHT THO? LOL”. It’s not about if you like JLB or you despise him, it’s about MP behaving like a child who needs scolding to understand the impact of words and that comments like that don’t make you sound “cool” at all, but the complete exact opposite.

Oh, it’s kinda sad to see someone you admired so much dig so deep.

Agreed.  It's really not a huge deal, just kind of shows some of his true feelings on JLB.  Which is pretty much known, but at the same time, you don't need to say it even if the mic isn't hot.  Sometimes it's best to keep that shit to yourself, something he hasn't learned.  But since this is nothing new, it hardly changes how I feel towards MP although I do kind of hope the rest of the DT guys take notice and don't work with him on LTE or really anything and stick up for their singer and his annoying vocals. 

I mean, now that I am thinking about it, how the hell is JLB annoying but he'll tour with Ross Jennings or JSS singing DT?  It makes no sense other than being personal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 11, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
Oh, it’s kinda sad to see someone you admired so much falling from grace so quickly and harshly.

I dunno about quickly, but yeah, in 9 years the dude has just lost almost all the respect I had for him, and there was a whole lot there. Still love the drumming he's done with DT but post-DT he just seems so salty
Yeah, I know there’s a lot of wisdom in the “separate the art from the artist” statement but sometimes I find it hard to support (with money, of course) an artist who personally I don’t feel attached to in any sort of  emotional way but the nostalgia that lingers from the days in which he was one of the musicians that I looked up to the most.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheGreatPretender on November 11, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
Look in the mirror,
What do you see?
The source of annoying vocals in DT songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 11, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.  I'm sure if he knew they were on air he wouldn't have said it.  Don't know why he wouldn't think they were on air though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Northern Lion on November 11, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
I know this whole JLB is good/bad/used to be good singer thing has been around for a long time.  I know he can struggle a little (or a lot) live some times, but imho opinion I think he still sounds great on the albums.

I like JLB's voice and I think he has oodles of talent.  But I know not everyone feels that way.  I honestly don't care what MP thinks.  I just care about how I feel about his performance as a fan, and I give him an "A"  :).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on November 11, 2019, 02:52:32 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 11, 2019, 02:58:26 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

I think at the time, James was the perfect singer for I&W and Awake.  It would have been interesting however to see if he was fired if MP got his way after his voice declined and they replaced him with an Allen type.  If that then would have helped them get even further with their success or hinder them.  I love James' voice and as Lion said, love listening to him on the albums.  I'm happy with James and DT.

It's just funny the success they are having now so late into their career that to them Mike's comment would really be invalid to them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 11, 2019, 02:59:31 PM
It's funny to think about all the bands that have broken up or changed members and so many have far more drama than Dream Theater. Take Motley Crue, I don't know much about them but I'm pretty sure every single member hates each other and yet they still reunited.

Of course, there are two things at play. First, they had millions of dollars behind their "reconciliation" and second, their drama was so great it was almost meaningless. It got so big where I doubt they even remembered why they hated each other so it was easier to put that stuff behind them, and the millions didn't hurt.

With a band that is Dream Theater's size, a reunion won't do much more than a temporary pay bump, and they would have to confront their very real differences. Mike would actually need to humble himself and give a real apology which I can't see him ever doing and DT aren't desperate enough for what would amount to a small increase in popularity.

And that is why there will never be a reunion with Portnoy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2019, 03:03:42 PM
There is very little payday for a DT reunion with MP.  DT is just not that widely appealing to all of the sudden bring in more sales because of that.  I'd imagine it would sell a bit better than currently, but I can't imagine much to make it worth it (from a money standpoint). 

When I saw Aerosmith earlier at their Vegas residency, I was chatting with a security guard and he told me the entire band hates each other and they all stay somewhere different and get driven to the venue separately, basically only seeing each other on stage for the performance.  Now, a band as big as them can do that, I can't imagine DT having the funds to be able to shuffle everyone around privately so they don't have to deal with each other.  Just doesn't seem worth it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 11, 2019, 03:05:17 PM
Besides Mike, the other guys aren't the kind of guys to chase the big bucks, if there was any on offer anyway.  They seem happy and content and can live very comfortably.  They also don't seem greedy to turn everything upside down to reunite.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 11, 2019, 03:07:40 PM
There is very little payday for a DT reunion with MP.  DT is just not that widely appealing to all of the sudden bring in more sales because of that.  I'd imagine it would sell a bit better than currently, but I can't imagine much to make it worth it (from a money standpoint). 

Yep. It's a fixed market. The people who are going to see them are likely going to see them anyway. Some of us might make a point to catch multiple shows, and some people might be willing to travel a bit further to see them, but it's not enough to move them out of the venue class they currently reside within.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 11, 2019, 03:09:55 PM
And this is different than the 400 pound man. That would be deliberately hurtful to the guy. JLB doesn't give a damn what MP's opinions about him are, and they are just opinions.

Okay, now that is something with which I can agree.  If JLB saw that video, he'd probably laugh to himself and think, "What a sad, bitter little man our ex-drummer has become."
Yep, I agree completely. I'd also call it an equally shallow and petty interpretation.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2019, 03:11:06 PM
And that is why there will never be a reunion with Portnoy.

DT has zero reason to reunite with MP. Their music and musicianship has been dramatically better than it was in the final years of MP. I love listening to and watching MP play BUT for as good as he is he still sped up and slowed down songs unintentionally with the way he 'performed'. MM and the click track have eliminated that....and for me and my ears....it's been great.

They have no incentive to allow MP the privilege of playing with them again...nor does he deserve that privilege based off his behavior after he left them high and dry. Although I know they won't....I'd LOVE for JP to allow JLB to pen lyrics to a song that lambasted MP for being the spoiled, bratty baby that he's been since the split. Sure, he's reconciled with JP and JR but IMO that has more to do with the human beings that JR and JP are and less to do with MP 'changing' for the better. His recent comments just lend more evidence to what many suspect of him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2019, 03:13:46 PM
There is very little payday for a DT reunion with MP.  DT is just not that widely appealing to all of the sudden bring in more sales because of that.  I'd imagine it would sell a bit better than currently, but I can't imagine much to make it worth it (from a money standpoint). 

Yep. It's a fixed market. The people who are going to see them are likely going to see them anyway. Some of us might make a point to catch multiple shows, and some people might be willing to travel a bit further to see them, but it's not enough to move them out of the venue class they currently reside within.

Case in point: I'm mere days away from the 20th anniversary of the beginning of my DT live experience, and in these 20 years I've always see them in the same venue, the one Iron Maiden play (and sell out within days). So from SFAM until now, with the odd exception (a festival, a theatre for The Astonishing, a totally equivalent venue basically as big as the same one once in 2002), they've always played the same place no matter what. And early next year they're still gonna play that arena. A Portnoy reunion wouldn't change that (well, to the point that they'd sell out that arena, I don't think they ever completely have a sold out even though at times it was pretty packed)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 11, 2019, 03:39:59 PM
It doesn’t matter if it was a tasteless joke, if it was meant to be off-air or if it was tiny slip; it was a very crappy thing to say but once again it’s so in his character it’s not surprising at all.

And also, expert people at missing the point: “ISN’T HE RIGHT THO? LOL”. It’s not about if you like JLB or you despise him, it’s about MP behaving like a child who needs scolding to understand the impact of words and that comments like that don’t make you sound “cool” at all, but the complete exact opposite.

Oh, it’s kinda sad to see someone you admired so much dig so deep.

Agreed.  It's really not a huge deal, just kind of shows some of his true feelings on JLB.  Which is pretty much known, but at the same time, you don't need to say it even if the mic isn't hot.  Sometimes it's best to keep that shit to yourself, something he hasn't learned.  But since this is nothing new, it hardly changes how I feel towards MP although I do kind of hope the rest of the DT guys take notice and don't work with him on LTE or really anything and stick up for their singer and his annoying vocals. 

I mean, now that I am thinking about it, how the hell is JLB annoying but he'll tour with Ross Jennings or JSS singing DT?  It makes no sense other than being personal.

Agreed in all accounts. JLB hasn’t had a perfect vocal career, as it has had more ups and downs than probably any other metal singer I’m aware of, but his voice defined, defines and will continue to define DT. I find it, for some reason, very heart-warming to see all current members support and love him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 11, 2019, 03:56:51 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

If Russell Allen sang for DT I wouldn’t be a fan.   I’m in because of James.   

I just don’t really see how all the vitriol is justified when we can’t even agree what he meant.  Apparently few of you are fans of Floyd, Oasis, the Stones, KISS, The Black Crowes, The Kinks, Van Halen, Iron Maiden... it’s between them. 

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2019, 04:00:25 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

If Russell Allen sang for DT I wouldn’t be a fan.   I’m in because of James.   

I have always felt and said MP is in a conundrum. His band (when he was in DT) really owes a ton to James, and he knows that, and that is what burns him the most.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: rumborak on November 11, 2019, 04:30:29 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

If Russell Allen sang for DT I wouldn’t be a fan.   I’m in because of James.   

A perfectly valid opinion, and dare I say, good for you. But, I think you will agree that it is a minority opinion.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 11, 2019, 04:39:46 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

If Russell Allen sang for DT I wouldn’t be a fan.   I’m in because of James.   

A perfectly valid opinion, and dare I say, good for you. But, I think you will agree that it is a minority opinion.

Minority opinion in liking James or sticking with the band because of him?  Really?  I enjoy DT as a whole but a lot of the reason is because of James too.  Couldn't imagine anyone else singing on the albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on November 11, 2019, 04:44:26 PM
I don’t think he sees it that way. I think he’s always felt that JLB held them back from being more commercially successful. I’m sure he actually said this even when he was in the band. Basically said, in so many words “we know his voice is annoying but we’re stuck with him as he is the voice of DT”.

Agree with Stadler about Russell Allen, would hate him to be the singer in DT. Such a generic cheese metal singer. La Brie is a much classier singer imo and gives DT a much more unique recognisable sound. I remember listening to AMob and ADTOE side by side when those albums came out and there was no comparison between the two performances.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: wolfking on November 11, 2019, 04:45:45 PM
Allen would be cool, but wouldn't be able to cover the vast types of music DT has done IMO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 11, 2019, 04:49:29 PM
LaBrie in his prime > Allen in his prime imo. I also agree with what Kade just said.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2019, 05:04:18 PM
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that. Sure, if you like Russ Allen, fine, but I just would not be able to connect to Dream Theater they way I have had it not been for James.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 05:04:46 PM
Not sure whether MP had a benign meaning or not.  He either realized that he did not, or he realized that whatever he said was likely to be taken poorly.  So either way, he should have not opened his mouth in the first place.  Either way, he shouldn't have said what he said to begin with.  This is just one more in a LONG list of examples where he proved that, even in the BEST case scenario, he severely lacks in judgment and maturity.  So at the end of the day, as was said above, it doesn't really matter what he meant.  He continues to alienate fans by acting the way he does, and he is foolish to fail to realize that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 11, 2019, 05:10:19 PM
Made it to Metal Injection now too... https://metalinjection.net/latest-news/drama/mike-portnoy-calls-dream-theater-frontman-james-labries-vocals-annoying
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2019, 05:13:01 PM
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that. Sure, if you like Russ Allen, fine, but I just would not be able to connect to Dream Theater they way I have had it not been for James.

Agreed. Tastes and all but I can't see Russell Allen being the one to lift the band over what JLB did. Just my opinion. Maybe there is someone who would have made them bigger but I really doubt it. The music just isn't meant for the masses, no singer would have changed that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 11, 2019, 05:16:40 PM
It's like they know it's time for an album cycle...time.to rev up the controversy
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 11, 2019, 05:18:48 PM
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that.

The Sacrifice would like to have a word with you.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 11, 2019, 05:21:33 PM
James can convey emotion. He can make you feel stuff. I don't think Russ Allen could match that. Sure, if you like Russ Allen, fine, but I just would not be able to connect to Dream Theater they way I have had it not been for James.

Well, Russ CAN convey great emotion when he wants to. Paradise Lost (the song) is one of my favorite songs with his vocals because of that very thing. Unfortunately, he seems to really be into the "tough guy vocals" mindset and he's been using that approach for most of the albums he's done in the past decade. Mike P seems to like that approach, as he did some stuff with AMOB and then recruited poor man's Russell for SOA (JSS).

However, I agree that Allen wouldn't be a very good fit for DT, as their most famous and loved material calls for that operatic approach Russ doesn't do really. Someone like Fabio Lione would be a much much better fit for DT imo.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 11, 2019, 05:32:10 PM
Meh, Portnoy is only human. It was a stupid thing to say but I think people come down on him pretty hard. In the past decade he’s said maybe a handful of negative things about his former band. It’s easy to say that DT has acted with perfect class in all this when they are the ones doing the world tours and getting charting albums using the b(r)and which Portnoy played a very large role in building a grass roots fan base for, meanwhile Portnoy is wallowing in super group hell on the cruise ship circuit. Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him. Obviously there’s bad personal feelings on Both sides.

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2019, 05:33:46 PM
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2019, 05:43:21 PM
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?

They didn’t. The idea that they did is crazy. And the suggestion that MP has only said a ‘handful’ of things this past decade is just as crazy. He said a handful of things in the first week after the split.

MP is where he is Playing the cruise ship circuit in super group hell directly because of his choices.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 11, 2019, 05:50:40 PM
I get that many have said "I'd like Dream Theater more if they had a different singer," but so what?  You are not going to please everyone, and LaBrie, despite his live struggles over the years, has earned his rep as one of the best and most iconic rock singers in the prog/prog metal genre. 

And yeah, it is laughable to suggest that the band burned Mike Portnoy.  Not just laughable, but myopic and biased.  He left, they moved on. End of story.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

I think most said that because they broke at a time where most hair metal bands had operatic singers with high voices.

Grunge was becoming popular so people were rebelling against that style of singing. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 06:01:33 PM
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.

What a bizarre thing to say.  Even MP doesn't believe this.  That really isn't supported by, well, anything.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
In fact he burnt himself on DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 11, 2019, 06:03:49 PM

I think most said that because they broke at a time where most hair metal bands had operatic singers with high voices.

Grunge was becoming popular so people were rebelling against that style of singing.

And yet here we are decades with James still doing well as the lead singer of the band, while most grunge bands sucked ass and had the shelf life of a carton of milk. :coolio :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 06:08:25 PM
Every genre goes though the next generation fighting to make their own mark. The good bands play through generations. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 11, 2019, 06:12:11 PM
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?

They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation” and before the ink was dry (less than 2 months by estimation) would not let him back in band. Now you can say he left first, they had a commitment with Mangini, Mike screwed himself, and that’s fine. I agree they had ZERO obligation to work things out or let him back in. But, in my opinion, it’s a bit cold to close the door on a 25 year relationship because a founding member (who we ALL know is hot headed) had a few week lapse in judgement. That, to me, is a cold burn.

Again, I want to be clear I’m not saying DT acted wrongly, it is what it is, and I’m sure, at the time it was a shitty situation for all involved. And it’s true, Portnoy opened that can of worms, but it appears DT was VERY eager to drop him like a hot potato.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on November 11, 2019, 06:13:32 PM
Russell Allen is my favorite singer and I don't think he'd fit in DT. He just has a different style. That being said, anyone judging his abilities based on Adrenaline Mob is being completely unfair to him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 06:17:19 PM
When one guy in the band pushes his agenda bands push back.  (Perry, DeYoung)

Even if they are the driving force a band is a team.  Sometimes the other just can't deal with that person anymore. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DragonAttack on November 11, 2019, 06:17:34 PM

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.

But he knew he had a mic in front of him at that time, and chose to say what he said, and then sheepishly acted innocent.  I didn't hear a retraction or a 'oh, c'mon, man, I was just frickin' kidding' line that followed.  I'm not angry or up in arms or disappointed at what he said, and then did not say.  It was the same old tiring line from him that I've grown accustomed to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2019, 06:27:03 PM
Regardless whether you think it was the right thing or deserved or not, the band burned him.


How on Earth has the band burned him?

They basically called his bluff ….. And it’s true, Portnoy opened that can of worms, but it appears DT was VERY eager to drop him like a hot potato.

Yes, I agree with all of this, actually, and it's exactly as I see it. I said at the time the band called his bluff.

He was done with them, and obviously they were done with him.

Listen, I loved MP, and he was by far my favorite member of the band, but I cannot support the opinion that he was burned.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2019, 06:28:09 PM

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.

But he knew he had a mic in front of him at that time, and chose to say what he said, and then sheepishly acted innocent.  I didn't hear a retraction or a 'oh, c'mon, man, I was just frickin' kidding' line that followed.  I'm not angry or up in arms or disappointed at what he said, and then did not say.  It was the same old tiring line from him that I've grown accustomed to.

Yep. MPs bravado and ego and narcissism and arrogance and everything associated with it is just expected now. At one time I’d hoped for more from him....maybe a tad bit of humility and humbleness but I know that’s wishful thinking.

I like watching the guy drum and enjoy the heck out of TNMB and Transatlantic....but have given up hope on his behavior and/or thoughtless comments.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 06:35:23 PM
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 06:38:41 PM
Asking 4 other bandmates to take a 5 year break is asking a lot.

Mike made it about himself and I suspect they had a lot of that over the years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 11, 2019, 06:39:14 PM

So, again, stupid thing to say but I shudder to think of the things I’ve said that I regretted about former coworkers for example. You and i just have the luxury of not having a microphone/recording device on us at all times.

But he knew he had a mic in front of him at that time, and chose to say what he said, and then sheepishly acted innocent.  I didn't hear a retraction or a 'oh, c'mon, man, I was just frickin' kidding' line that followed.  I'm not angry or up in arms or disappointed at what he said, and then did not say.  It was the same old tiring line from him that I've grown accustomed to.

Yeah, we've all said things we regret but I'd like to think if we truly regretted them we would retract what we said. Maybe even apologize. If not, it's safe to assume we still believe those things.

Meh.  He's bitter and that's fine, although DT may not have gotten the success they had without James.

Nobody will ever know of course, but my personal thought is that with somebody with a voice anywhere near Russell Allen, I think they could have gone really, really big. I have never met a person who wasn't impressed with their musical skill and yet good songwriting, but I know a lot of people who say "yeah, but that singer..."

(In now way am I defending MP, who is trying to resuscitate his career with this kind of stuff)

If Russell Allen sang for DT I wouldn’t be a fan.   I’m in because of James.   


...and people take for granted his amazing range, even to this day. Sure he struggled more now that he's in his 50s but shit, he can still do a lot of things other vocalists can't and while I'm not too familiar with Russell Allen, I think Russell would have to make some SERIOUS adjustments to most of the DT catalog to get through a show. James makes minimal adjustments and can typically stay about 90-95% loyal to some of the more challenging songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Jamesman42 on November 11, 2019, 06:46:12 PM
It's amazing that we are on the cusp of a new decade, and Portnoy is still Portnoying as always.

Yes I signed back in to write this. See you in 2030.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 06:50:43 PM
When James comes in like a bosk to drop some knowledge, you can take it to the bank.  ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 11, 2019, 06:51:48 PM
It's amazing that we are on the cusp of a new decade, and Portnoy is still Portnoying as always.

Yes I signed back in to write this. See you in 2030.

Love you Jimmy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 11, 2019, 06:52:04 PM
Oh Mike.....you really should focus on developing that brain to mouth filter man.



Hi James :hearts:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Jamesman42 on November 11, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
I like how my three biggest fans reply right away. Love you guys :*
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 06:56:11 PM
I like how my three biggest fans reply right away. Love you guys :*

And in relative order of bigness too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2019, 06:59:18 PM
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

"Calling his bluff" is how I read the situation.

Are saying that they wanted MP to do the album, but they'd tour with a fill in drummer? Are you sure it's not a case of "We'd love for you to stay.....(not really).."

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Jamesman42 on November 11, 2019, 06:59:43 PM
I like how my three biggest fans reply right away. Love you guys :*

And in relative order of bigness too.

small, medium, and large
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 07:02:23 PM
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

"Calling his bluff" is how I read the situation.

Are saying that they wanted MP to do the album, but they'd tour with a fill in drummer? Are you sure it's not a case of "We'd love for you to stay.....(not really).."

No, I'm saying they wanted MP to do the album and tour.  But he said no. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 11, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

I guess I’m unaware of the historical inaccuracies. Portnoy left the band in September, asked to rejoin in December but the damage was done, by late 2010/early 2011 communications appear to be completely broken down and the door was shut to Portnoy. Auditions for a new drummer had began by November. My “calling his bluff” is more a read between the lines assessment of the situation. Again I won’t claim that DT didn’t try to work things out prior to the public announcements. What is certain is that the situation escalated rapidly and deteriorated even faster. I’m also sure that Portnoy is reluctant in admitting he was holding the band hostage with power plays. I’m actually amazed he admits, publicly, he wanted to rejoin DT almost immediately.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 11, 2019, 07:14:59 PM
They basically called his bluff after the whole “I want a break situation”

That's not accurate at all.  From what we heard from both DT and MP, the band said they wanted him to stay involved and to work with them on the next album.  That isn't "calling his bluff."  Again, even MP doesn't see it that way.  So there is no basis for fans to revise history in that regard.

"Calling his bluff" is how I read the situation.

Are saying that they wanted MP to do the album, but they'd tour with a fill in drummer? Are you sure it's not a case of "We'd love for you to stay.....(not really).."

No, I'm saying they wanted MP to do the album and tour.  But he said no.

So..

Band-"Even though you think the band should take a break, we don't think so, and we still want you to do the album and the tour"
MP-" I think we need a break"
Band-"Well we don't think so"
MP-"Then I have to leave"
Band-"Well we wish you wouldn't but if that's your choice so be it. We are going to continue."


I mean, if you are alluding that Dream Theater has told you differently, then by all means, please share, unless it was told to you confidentially. I believe JP has always said the right, positive spin responses publicly, and likely privately to you. There is no way that he will ever say that they were glad he left.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 11, 2019, 07:19:38 PM
Band-"Even though you think the band should take a break, we don't think so, and we still want you to do the album and the tour"
MP-" I think we need a break"
Band-"Well we don't think so"
MP-"Then I have to leave"
Band-"Well we wish you wouldn't but if that's your choice so be it. We are going to continue."

No, I think that's fairly accurate in comparison to what has come out publicly.  But "calling a bluff" implies trying to manipulate the situation for a particular outcome that isn't apparent on its face.  This isn't that.  They wanted him to stay.  But they weren't about to sacrifice what they had all had planned and were, by all accounts, completely transparent about that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 11, 2019, 07:21:16 PM
Delete-
Sorry double post- apologies
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 11, 2019, 07:24:45 PM
While Portnoy was obviously not bluffing, perhaps a better way to put it is that he never thought they'd go on without him.  He had taken such control of the band that he probably thought they either wouldn't go on without him or they'd fail if they tried...and he was wrong on both accounts.  Because Dream Theater, the brand name is a business, I suspect he was still a part of or at least connected enough to the organization that when Portnoy got wind of the fact that they had hired a new drummer, that is when he thought, "oh shit," and then tried to get his spot back.  I don't buy the "I tried to go back to save the band from ourselves" line he later gave. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 07:32:35 PM
It's amazing that we are on the cusp of a new decade, and Portnoy is still Portnoying as always.

Yes I signed back in to write this. See you in 2030.


Hey Daddy!  Miss you here!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on November 11, 2019, 07:34:05 PM
Not calling his bluff, but from an outsider's perspective I've always been under the impression that MP thought they would do whatever he said and if he wanted a break, they would agree, and he was blindsided by the fact that they didn't feel the same way--I'm sure no matter what he was shocked that they didn't agree and decided to move on. I don't think we'll ever know the full details, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that hotel meeting a week before we found out.

I've always felt since it happened that it was what was best for both parties. DT got to continue and MP got to be a free agent and do whatever he wanted and play with whomever he wanted. That's why the mud slinging from MP has always bothered me, I thought he was happy with where he was--why the constant need to bring up the past almost 10 years later

EDIT: Kev basically said what I said, he just put it better  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 11, 2019, 07:34:46 PM
While Portnoy was obviously not bluffing, perhaps a better way to put it is that he never thought they'd go on without him.  He had taken such control of the band that he probably thought they either wouldn't go on without him or they'd fail if they tried...and he was wrong on both accounts.  Because Dream Theater, the brand name is a business, I suspect he was still a part of or at least connected enough to the organization that when Portnoy got wind of the fact that they had hired a new drummer, that is when he thought, "oh shit," and then tried to get his spot back.  I don't buy the "I tried to go back to save the band from ourselves" line he later gave.

I think this is spot on.....because of his massive ego. It never crossed his mind that they’d even consider another drummer. That’s why for years I’ve used the term ‘holding the band hostage’ when describing what he tried to do to them....because it fits perfectly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 11, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
I guess I’m unaware of the historical inaccuracies. Portnoy left the band in September, asked to rejoin in December but the damage was done, by late 2010/early 2011 communications appear to be completely broken down and the door was shut to Portnoy. Auditions for a new drummer had began by November. My “calling his bluff” is more a read between the lines assessment of the situation. Again I won’t claim that DT didn’t try to work things out prior to the public announcements. What is certain is that the situation escalated rapidly and deteriorated even faster. I’m also sure that Portnoy is reluctant in admitting he was holding the band hostage with power plays. I’m actually amazed he admits, publicly, he wanted to rejoin DT almost immediately.

Well, he claimed it was something he was willing to do "for the fans". Don't remember the exact words he used back then, but he played the "I can't do this anymore but I'm going to be a martyr for the fans" card and made it look like the other guys just didn't care for him at all.

And, well, the whole trying to rejoin thing only happened AFTER the A7X guys told him he was not going to become their full time drummer and he found himself without a steady gig to pay the bills. Only then he realized what he had actually done and went back running to see if it wasn't too late for him, but they already had auditioned 7 guys, recorded a big documentary for it, and hired Mangini as a full time member of the band, there was just no turning back at that point. I felt really bad for the guy at that point, but he brought it all on himself, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 11, 2019, 08:04:18 PM
Yeah, I think the following summarizes what happened:

MP has always taken pride in describing himself as an "OCD maniac that oversees and orchestrates every tiny aspect of his projects and life", and the moment DT slipped away from that stuff it made him crash because he thought the band would always be in line with his ideas and/or plan. PLOT TWIST, they weren't and they were never gonna be. In all fairness, that must've been a pretty hard crash. I feel it basically put his whole life upside down.

I don't wanna sound like I pity him, tho. I kinda did in 2010-2011 because some of the stuff he said back then I could picture him with a pair of puppy eyes posting "I tried to do occasional work throughout the year but it was not meant to be... the ball is in their court, not mine..." (but with far more suspension points) but he's been such an ass about so many things that I basically stopped caring about his crap so long ago.

But hey, DarkLol, if you stopped caring so long ago why do you bother posting so much about this shit? Funny question you ask. I feel that every time a piece of juicy MP gossip surfaces it makes me remember my early 20s in the 2010 and it brings that part out of me. We all enjoy a healthy dose of gossip and shitposting every now and then. It's sad to see the guy digging himself deeper into a hole of self-pity but I really couldn't be happier with most of the things DT has done in the past decade.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 11, 2019, 08:27:07 PM
“A hole of self-pity”?   Cmon.   That’s just mean. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 11, 2019, 08:27:59 PM
“A hole of self-pity”?   Cmon.   That’s just mean.
Not as mean as saying his old friend’s vocals were annoying.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 11, 2019, 08:29:25 PM
Don't blame the response,  blame the agitator.

Mike can't help himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 11, 2019, 10:56:01 PM
I like how my three biggest fans reply right away. Love you guys :*

And in relative order of bigness too.

small, medium, and large

:RJ:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on November 12, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

I'll give you another one.

There was clearly a discussion around not understanding the language. What was said before this clip started? There might be some context missing.

My first thought was that maybe these guys were mentioning they were having issues enjoying DT because they can't understand the language/lyrics.

I don't know, I just don't subscribe to guilty until proven innocent. Especially when we have only 30 seconds of a discussion to dissect.

Agreed. I watched that YouTube clip and I'm not 100% convinced Portnoy was saying LaBrie is a bad singer. There's definitely some context missing. I don't think the interviewer was even talking about Liquid Tension.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 12, 2019, 01:32:52 AM
I feel like breaking a lance for Russell Allen. While I agree that James is the voice of DT and the moment he leaves, I leave too (never say never but I can't imagine myself appreciating a DT album without James on it), judging Russell based on A-Mob is like like judging the Star Wars saga based on Jar Jar Binks.

The guy CAN sing and he's amazing, powerful and heartfelt when needed. Still I wouldn't see him in DT, but with Symphony X he did amazing things, and he continues to do so when he doesn't fall back on the "tough guy" vocals.

S-X songs like Paradise Lost, The Sacrifice, The Edge of Forever, Candlelight Fantasia and the magnum opus The Divine Wings of Tragedy show what Russell can do at his very best.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on November 12, 2019, 01:34:13 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

I'll give you another one.

There was clearly a discussion around not understanding the language. What was said before this clip started? There might be some context missing.

My first thought was that maybe these guys were mentioning they were having issues enjoying DT because they can't understand the language/lyrics.

I don't know, I just don't subscribe to guilty until proven innocent. Especially when we have only 30 seconds of a discussion to dissect.

Agreed. I watched that YouTube clip and I'm not 100% convinced Portnoy was saying LaBrie is a bad singer. There's definitely some context missing. I don't think the interviewer was even talking about Liquid Tension.

Your wife is caught on tape cheating and you say: I'm not 100% convinced there's definitely some context missing maybe she is just practicing the art of sex :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 12, 2019, 03:25:08 AM
I feel like breaking a lance for Russell Allen. While I agree that James is the voice of DT and the moment he leaves, I leave too (never say never but I can't imagine myself appreciating a DT album without James on it), judging Russell based on A-Mob is like like judging the Star Wars saga based on Jar Jar Binks.

The guy CAN sing and he's amazing, powerful and heartfelt when needed. Still I wouldn't see him in DT, but with Symphony X he did amazing things, and he continues to do so when he doesn't fall back on the "tough guy" vocals.

S-X songs like Paradise Lost, The Sacrifice, The Edge of Forever, Candlelight Fantasia and the magnum opus The Divine Wings of Tragedy show what Russell can do at his very best.

Absolutely agree with all of this. I'd also throw in Whispers, A Winter's Dream Part 1, The Accolade, Through The Looking Glass, Lady Of The Snow, Communion & The Oracle, some parts of The Odyssey title track, When All Is Lost, & Without You as examples of his beautiful singing.

I also think songs like Of Sins & Shadows, Smoke & Mirrors, Evolution (The Grand Design), Fallen, Eve of Seduction, Nevermore, & Legend show that how powerful his voice can be in a more intense metal setting, without it sounding overly gritty.

But yeah, despite me preferring him as a singer, I don't think his voice would fit well with Dream Theater. Imagining him singing something like The Looking Glass or Barstool Warrior is pretty difficult for me, but hearing his voice on something like Bridges In The Sky would be AMAZING. :hefdaddy

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread. I'm kind of a Russel Allen fangirl & wanted to step in to defend him. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 12, 2019, 05:55:24 AM
“A hole of self-pity”?   Cmon.   That’s just mean.
Not as mean as saying his old friend’s vocals were annoying.

IF he said that.   We can't agree that that's exactly what he meant.   (And I'd ask the group; was James ever an "old friend"?)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 12, 2019, 05:57:28 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

I'll give you another one.

There was clearly a discussion around not understanding the language. What was said before this clip started? There might be some context missing.

My first thought was that maybe these guys were mentioning they were having issues enjoying DT because they can't understand the language/lyrics.

I don't know, I just don't subscribe to guilty until proven innocent. Especially when we have only 30 seconds of a discussion to dissect.

Agreed. I watched that YouTube clip and I'm not 100% convinced Portnoy was saying LaBrie is a bad singer. There's definitely some context missing. I don't think the interviewer was even talking about Liquid Tension.

Your wife is caught on tape cheating and you say: I'm not 100% convinced there's definitely some context missing maybe she is just practicing the art of sex :lol

Great example that has little to do with the scenario at hand.  More like "standing on a sidewalk holding another man's hand". and I can tell you from first hand experience that YES, context IS important in that scenario.  Granted it's not a 50-50 split, but not EVERYONE here is solid in agreement that that was exactly what Mike meant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on November 12, 2019, 07:09:18 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

I'll give you another one.

There was clearly a discussion around not understanding the language. What was said before this clip started? There might be some context missing.

My first thought was that maybe these guys were mentioning they were having issues enjoying DT because they can't understand the language/lyrics.

I don't know, I just don't subscribe to guilty until proven innocent. Especially when we have only 30 seconds of a discussion to dissect.

Agreed. I watched that YouTube clip and I'm not 100% convinced Portnoy was saying LaBrie is a bad singer. There's definitely some context missing. I don't think the interviewer was even talking about Liquid Tension.

Your wife is caught on tape cheating and you say: I'm not 100% convinced there's definitely some context missing maybe she is just practicing the art of sex :lol

Great example that has little to do with the scenario at hand.  More like "standing on a sidewalk holding another man's hand". and I can tell you from first hand experience that YES, context IS important in that scenario.  Granted it's not a 50-50 split, but not EVERYONE here is solid in agreement that that was exactly what Mike meant.

Seriously? Come on! There are two major FACTS surrounding that statement which makes its interpretation very easy and straightforward:

(I) He asks if they are "on air" and get really shocked when being replied yes!
(II) We all know the bad blood and disrupted relationship between MP and JLB!   

And BTW what other scenario/context might apply? What are you expecting to assume the clear meaning behind such a statement? A signed and notarized Affidavit?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 12, 2019, 07:13:56 AM
I guess I’m unaware of the historical inaccuracies. Portnoy left the band in September, asked to rejoin in December but the damage was done, by late 2010/early 2011 communications appear to be completely broken down and the door was shut to Portnoy. Auditions for a new drummer had began by November. My “calling his bluff” is more a read between the lines assessment of the situation. Again I won’t claim that DT didn’t try to work things out prior to the public announcements. What is certain is that the situation escalated rapidly and deteriorated even faster. I’m also sure that Portnoy is reluctant in admitting he was holding the band hostage with power plays. I’m actually amazed he admits, publicly, he wanted to rejoin DT almost immediately.
Yeah, I thought this was the chronology of the situation too. Whether you call it a bluff or a burn or whatever, at some point when DT had already moved on, MP was still thinking the situation was open for a reconcilliation, because it hasn't been more than a few months. I think he was very sincere in wanting a break, and that he thought his pitch to the band would work 100% because this was the definitive lineup of the band.

I hope MP ignores this completely. No replying to the news outlets, no replying to fans baiting him to answer in the comments. An apology would ring hollow - you can publicly apologize for offensive (to a large number of people) jokes, not insulting (to one person) ones. And there's no context that excuses the ex drummer of a band saying the band has annoying vocals - if it was about the language thing, he would have said confusing, if he was talking about DT's detractors, he would have said "you know how people always say that DT has annoying vocals, I was talking about them" right after. So if he said he was taken out of context, that would be a little lame.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 07:27:17 AM
Hey Stads,

What my Mike did was deplorable.


 :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 07:27:24 AM
Stadler, once again I will point out that it is possible MP had a benign intent behind what he said.  You are right that we can't agree on what he meant.  But what you have not addressed is, as a few others have said, it just doesn't matter.  It is obvious from his reaction once he realized he was on the air that, whatever the intent, his comment was likely to be taken negatively.  And that being the case, as he has done in the past, he showed a glaring lack of judgment and maturity in making a comment that is likely to be taken that way toward his old bandmates.  He just shouldn't have said it, period.  He screwed up.  Majorly.  Again.  This is a pattern.  And he is losing fans because of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on November 12, 2019, 07:40:06 AM
Yes he is. I am an example of one.

He was a huge influence on me. Everything he sold, I bought.
I saw him whenever he came anywhere near my town. I
defended him, talked him up...there weren't many
bigger fans.

There are only so many behavioral passes I can give. At this
point, he has become  someone I no longer admire, nor someone
I want to support.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on November 12, 2019, 07:40:37 AM
If he would have left out the word "annoying", nobody would be talking about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 12, 2019, 07:40:47 AM
Well, I was more of thinking he knows everything he says can be taken out of context, and he’s pretty much hinted that he doesn’t like JLB that much, so it’s probably not a good thing to say ever. And you’re right, least of all to someone in the media. But why is he the only one that takes jabs (for the most part, maybe JLB has said something before, I think he has). I think everyone in the studio was kinda shocked when he said it.

And that's really it, isn't it?  I don't know how he meant it - and neither does anyone here - but it COULD be interpreted at least seven different ways*, only one of them really that deserves an apology to James but al least five of which are actually nothing to even comment on.   But it seems like it's okay to assume the worst, and turn around and call him a "pig" and worse. 

I don't know why this is a surprise at this point; he clearly is at war with his need to be open and transparent, and his need to be giving and responsive to those asking him for information. He's also said that he's good with DT and he's got a good relationship, at least with some of the guys at this point... I think I'd leave the drama to them and let them sort it out.  If it's not an issue between Mike/John/Jordan/John/James/Mike - and the nonsense around the first Sons record clearly isn't/wasn't - why should it be an issue for us?

*(James' vocals - as in his specific singing - are annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind, including Mike's, on DT material is annoying...)
(Vocals - either the singing itself or the need for a vocal line/melody - of any kind in general are annoying...)
(He was excited to write material with John and Jordan without having to write vocal melodies/lyrics...)
(He was being self-deprecating about his vocal melodies/lyrics in the time period where he felt compelled to write a lot of words ('97-'99)...)
(It was a reaction to the "load" of writing a "hit single" with someone like Desmond Child...)
(It was a reaction to the burden of writing an entire album-length story...)

I'll give you another one.

There was clearly a discussion around not understanding the language. What was said before this clip started? There might be some context missing.

My first thought was that maybe these guys were mentioning they were having issues enjoying DT because they can't understand the language/lyrics.

I don't know, I just don't subscribe to guilty until proven innocent. Especially when we have only 30 seconds of a discussion to dissect.

Agreed. I watched that YouTube clip and I'm not 100% convinced Portnoy was saying LaBrie is a bad singer. There's definitely some context missing. I don't think the interviewer was even talking about Liquid Tension.

Your wife is caught on tape cheating and you say: I'm not 100% convinced there's definitely some context missing maybe she is just practicing the art of sex :lol

Great example that has little to do with the scenario at hand.  More like "standing on a sidewalk holding another man's hand". and I can tell you from first hand experience that YES, context IS important in that scenario.  Granted it's not a 50-50 split, but not EVERYONE here is solid in agreement that that was exactly what Mike meant.

Seriously? Come on! There are two major FACTS surrounding that statement which makes its interpretation very easy and straightforward:

(I) He asks if they are "on air" and get really shocked when being replied yes!
(II) We all know the bad blood and disrupted relationship between MP and JLB!   

And BTW what other scenario/context might apply? What are you expecting to assume the clear meaning behind such a statement? A signed and notarized Affidavit?

I've already given several.  Seven, in fact, which you quoted.   The two points you made MAY mean what you think it does but we don't know.  We just don't.  His "on air" comment may have been just about the brouhaha that's going on here; if memory serves, he has lurked in the past.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: PoisonGodmachine on November 12, 2019, 07:44:49 AM
Ok guys, I've created this account JUST TO CLEAR THE AIR:

Mike wasn't talking about LTE, they were talking about crazy fans. He told a story where a fan ran on stage and couldn't speak English, so he just kept saying "please, please", then he got kicked off the stage.
The host said "but the intention was good" (intention, not Liquid Tension), but the problem was the language barrier. Then Mike said that the language barrier is exactly what made it  good, and joked "it's like Dream Theater without annoying vocals, it's perfect."
There was no mention of LTE at all.

Still, there was no reason to take a random jab at James' vocals, even though he thought they were off air (actually they were off air on the radio, but the live video feed was still running).

Here's the full interview: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7nw3js
The part that matters starts at 07:35
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 12, 2019, 07:49:40 AM
"it's like Dream Theater without annoying vocals, it's perfect."

Still, there was no reason to take a random jab at James' vocals,

It really doesn't matter if LTE was being discussed or not. He....once again....jumped on an opportunity to slight JLB. Were this the first instance of this 10 years after they broke up then sure....it's not a big deal. But this is ANOTHER instance of MP just not being self aware enough to realize that even IF it was a 'joke' or in jest....(which I personally doubt) that it's not a good idea to say.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 07:50:47 AM
So I’m even more confused now, what exactly is like DT without annoying vocals?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 12, 2019, 07:56:16 AM
Still, there was no reason to take a random jab at James' vocals, even though he thought they were off air (actually they were off air on the radio, but the live video feed was still running).
Yeah, that's just the part of this that there is no context that can justify "it's like Dream Theater without annoying vocals". There's no need to clear the air with us, because he wasn't taking a jab at us. He didn't say "it's that part of the DT fanbase that isn't on the annoying forums". He has been taking shots at his former bandmates for a decade, and we're the party that's been observing that and lamenting that, since most of us are fans of all members of DT. That's all.

Welcome to the forum, even if you registered just for this, stick around for a bit  :angel:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 08:02:00 AM
I'm not sure the idea of being on the air or not matters, other than the fact it got out due to it.  It just makes me wonder, if he's comfortable saying this off air on an interview, that's still saying a lot in my mind.  It's not the same as talking to a good friend of someone you can confide in, you're talking to an interviewer who even if its not recorded or aired, is going to hear you talk shit about a former band member and isn't going to forget that. 

Have any of you ever been in a room when someone just starts talking shit about someone else and you start to think to yourself, "wow, this person's kind of a dick for just openly talking so poorly about someone else" because while it was only one comment, I can totally see someone feeling that way in this situation and why would you want to do that?  Keep your negative personal comments to yourself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 12, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
Have any of you ever been in a room when someone just starts talking shit about someone else and you start to think to yourself, "wow, this person's kind of a dick for just openly talking so poorly about someone else" because while it was only one comment, I can totally see someone feeling that way in this situation and why would you want to do that?  Keep your negative personal comments to yourself.
That's a good point. hadn't thought of it that way. I'm one of those people that can remain good friends with both parties after a breakup. As a rule I don't have a problem with one of them talking poorly of the other. That's kind of to be expected. Where I have been offended is when somebody else talks shit about one of them on behalf of the other. That seemed like baiting me, and that's uncool. It's also not what happened here. MP had an opinion about someone he broke up with and he expressed it. People got pissed off, and that's that.

I was very much of the opinion that it was a pretty straight jab at JLB. MP finds his vocals annoying. I think he's made that kind of clear. That said, referring to it with regard to the gazillions of people who feel that way is a pretty different remark.  It won't matter here, but that's an important bit of context to consider.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 12, 2019, 08:30:12 AM
For me it just comes down to decency and in this matter I don't think MP has shown any, at all....since the break. It still remains all about him and it always will. I'm sure JP and the gang could make comment after comment about countless habits that MP had that were annoying to them.....spitting all over the stage and them multiple times a show just to look cool.....changing speeds and timing of songs because of antics to draw attention to himself......but the point is they haven't and don't.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mebert78 on November 12, 2019, 08:56:24 AM
Ok guys, I've created this account JUST TO CLEAR THE AIR:

Mike wasn't talking about LTE, they were talking about crazy fans. He told a story where a fan ran on stage and couldn't speak English, so he just kept saying "please, please", then he got kicked off the stage.
The host said "but the intention was good" (intention, not Liquid Tension), but the problem was the language barrier. Then Mike said that the language barrier is exactly what made it  good, and joked "it's like Dream Theater without annoying vocals, it's perfect."
There was no mention of LTE at all.

Still, there was no reason to take a random jab at James' vocals, even though he thought they were off air (actually they were off air on the radio, but the live video feed was still running).

Here's the full interview: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7nw3js
The part that matters starts at 07:35

Looks like Blabbermouth has updated their story to reflect this.

Also, just a gut feeling, but I'm thinking this whole situation could potentially squash any possible 25th anniversary LTE activity in two years.  I can't imagine the DT guys reuniting with MP for LTE after this "annoying vocals" comment out of respect for JLB.  It's a shame.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on November 12, 2019, 09:17:46 AM
Blabbermouth also nicely shit on this forum.

What it should have said was -- based on information from a member of dreamtheaterforums.org.

The way it is written now basically makes it the forum's fault (bosk's) for the wrong info. And that's not accurate. There goes blabbermouth, trying to find clicks instead of writing the appropriate headlines and leads...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 09:23:11 AM
Blabbermouth also nicely shit on this forum.

What it should have said was -- based on information from a member of dreamtheaterforums.org.

The way it is written now basically makes it the forum's fault (bosk's) for the wrong info. And that's not accurate. There goes blabbermouth, trying to find clicks instead of writing the appropriate headlines and leads...

WOW

Quote
**The original version of this article — based on information from DreamTheaterForums.org — incorrectly stated Portnoy and the radio show host were discussing LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT when Mike made his comment about DREAM THEATER.**

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-liquid-tension-experiment-was-like-dream-theater-without-annoying-vocals/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-says-liquid-tension-experiment-was-like-dream-theater-without-annoying-vocals/)

is this true?  Their "news" came from here? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 09:24:45 AM
It's possible someone from here first brought it to their attention, and they posted the story based on what was in this thread rather than doing their own research and vetting the story first.  Dunno.  It wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 09:26:22 AM
Blabbermouth is such a trash "news" site.  I do follow it, as they do report enough stuff that interests me, but their journalism is garbage. 

Sonicperspectives wayyyyyy better
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 09:29:49 AM
Yeah, but that's not really a fair comparison, as Sonicperspectives really is the gold standard.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 09:33:48 AM
Yeah, but that's not really a fair comparison, as Sonicperspectives really is the gold standard.

The only thing not fair is how poor their journalism is in comparison.  They generally report the same news and info though which is why I made the comparison.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bill1971 on November 12, 2019, 09:39:20 AM
Stadler, once again I will point out that it is possible MP had a benign intent behind what he said.  You are right that we can't agree on what he meant.  But what you have not addressed is, as a few others have said, it just doesn't matter.  It is obvious from his reaction once he realized he was on the air that, whatever the intent, his comment was likely to be taken negatively.  And that being the case, as he has done in the past, he showed a glaring lack of judgment and maturity in making a comment that is likely to be taken that way toward his old bandmates.  He just shouldn't have said it, period.  He screwed up.  Majorly.  Again.  This is a pattern.  And he is losing fans because of it.

Agreed. Plus he had to know they were filming and in a studio designed to record and transmit what you are saying to an audience. It's not like he said it privately to Bumblefoot while someone was filming him in secret. At the end of the day I am glad because i further decreases the chances of him playing in DT again. I am so happy with Mangini and the lack of MP's back up vocals which were just getting worse.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2019, 09:50:33 AM


Also, just a gut feeling, but I'm thinking this whole situation could potentially squash any possible 25th anniversary LTE activity in two years.  I can't imagine the DT guys reuniting with MP for LTE after this "annoying vocals" comment out of respect for JLB.  It's a shame.

I would bet money that deep down Petrucci and Rudess know it is not a good idea anyway since it would stir up the "Portnoy back in DT" chatter, which would be unfair to Mike Mangini.  I suspect they will continue to play the "maybe it will happen one day" card for the sake of being PC, while never really giving it serious consideration.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on November 12, 2019, 09:53:07 AM
Knowing the full context of the conversation now makes it worse (IMO)

So he is comparing a fan getting on stage and not being able to communicate to Dream Theater without the annoying vocals?

At least when we thought it was about LTE there was the music comparison.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 12, 2019, 09:54:25 AM
Stadler, once again I will point out that it is possible MP had a benign intent behind what he said.  You are right that we can't agree on what he meant.  But what you have not addressed is, as a few others have said, it just doesn't matter.  It is obvious from his reaction once he realized he was on the air that, whatever the intent, his comment was likely to be taken negatively.  And that being the case, as he has done in the past, he showed a glaring lack of judgment and maturity in making a comment that is likely to be taken that way toward his old bandmates.  He just shouldn't have said it, period.  He screwed up.  Majorly.  Again.  This is a pattern.  And he is losing fans because of it.

I've addressed it, albeit obliquely, because I think it DOES matter, at least as regards anyone not named "Mike Portnoy" or "James LaBrie". 

I'll give you "judgement", in the sense that he has to KNOW it will have this reaction, but I don't agree that it's "maturity"; that again depends on how he means it. 

i don't know; I come at this from a different perspective.  I don't understand why it's up to us - a bunch of third parties - to decide what he "should" or "should not" have said.  Maybe you know something I don't; if so, that might change my opinion (no, I'm not asking you to tell).   But I'm just not at all very interested in assuming how other people feel, and telling people how they should act/feel/speak.  I know I wouldn't have said it (or at least I hope I wouldn't) but that's me.  I don't like even taking the chance I might hurt someone's feelings (to the point I largely avoid social media), but I know people, personally, that don't have that concern.  If it's someone they care about, they make sure they know their true feelings, and if it's not someone they care about, then f*** 'em.  Not very Christian, or charitable, but it's how they live their life. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on November 12, 2019, 09:55:43 AM
Knowing the full context of the conversation now makes it worse (IMO)

So he is comparing a fan getting on stage and not being able to communicate to Dream Theater without the annoying vocals?

At least when we thought it was about LTE there was the music comparison.

I think, Mike himself misunderstood the question too. I think, he also understood "Liquid Tension was good" instead of "the intention was good".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on November 12, 2019, 09:57:33 AM
Seriously? Come on! There are two major FACTS surrounding that statement which makes its interpretation very easy and straightforward:

(I) He asks if they are "on air" and get really shocked when being replied yes!
(II) We all know the bad blood and disrupted relationship between MP and JLB!   

And BTW what other scenario/context might apply? What are you expecting to assume the clear meaning behind such a statement? A signed and notarized Affidavit?

I thought it was possible he was making a tongue-in-cheek reference to all those who don't like LaBrie even when LaBrie was in his prime. Looks like that's not the case.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Art on November 12, 2019, 09:59:04 AM
Ok guys, I've created this account JUST TO CLEAR THE AIR:

Mike wasn't talking about LTE, they were talking about crazy fans. He told a story where a fan ran on stage and couldn't speak English, so he just kept saying "please, please", then he got kicked off the stage.
The host said "but the intention was good" (intention, not Liquid Tension), but the problem was the language barrier. Then Mike said that the language barrier is exactly what made it  good, and joked "it's like Dream Theater without annoying vocals, it's perfect."
There was no mention of LTE at all.

Still, there was no reason to take a random jab at James' vocals, even though he thought they were off air (actually they were off air on the radio, but the live video feed was still running).

Here's the full interview: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7nw3js
The part that matters starts at 07:35

Well, after watching the whole video, to me MP came out looking even worse than what i first imagined. There was no context for the "DT without annoying vocals" joke. Without the LTE reference, this literally had nothing to do with what they were talking about.
Plus, Bruno Sutter, the interviewer, sounded like an idiot with his "nobody here understands english anyway" remark.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 12, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
MP fosters this anti-LaBrie mentality amongst his #MPWarriors. One of his biggest ones, a troll who signed up here and posted throughout the SoA thread (No Filter Loki, his name was) is a diehard fanboy who constantly says terrible things about LaBrie (outside of music, just bashing him as a person for no good reason), and people like that probably feel emboldened by his comments. Mike doesn't even delete those comments or push back on them when they're made on his personal accounts but he bans people almost immediately if they say something that offends him, so he definitely is aware of this kind of rhetoric surrounding him and DT
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 10:08:15 AM
If it's someone they care about, they make sure they know their true feelings, and if it's not someone they care about, then f*** 'em.

And this is an important part of the issue.  Because a good number of people (I suspect it is a majority, but even if it isn't, it is still a significant enough number that the point stands) view that kind of attitude as a problem.  If that is one's philosophy on how they interact with and treat others, then a good many people view that is an undesireable/immature/distasteful/disrespectful quality that they don't want to associate with.  And if we're talking about some random person out there, and they choose to live their lives with an "I don't care what other people think" mantra, and they don't care whether others who disagree choose not to associate with them, that is all well and good.  That is their right.  And that is Mike Portnoy's right as well.  But because he makes his living from customers wanting to buy what he is selling, there is more of a direct, tangible consequence to him alienating people with that type of attitude.  And I would dare say he is foolish for failing to recognize that.  He is a public figure.  He has chosen to act a certain way that people find distasteful.  People are entitled to have an opinion on that and to hold him accountable (or, by the same token, to not be bothered by it--but that isn't what we are discussing) and not supporting him, if that is their choice. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 10:08:52 AM
MP fosters this anti-LaBrie mentality amongst his #MPWarriors. One of his biggest ones, a troll who signed up here and posted throughout the SoA thread (No Filter Loki, his name was) is a diehard fanboy who constantly says terrible things about LaBrie (outside of music, just bashing him as a person for no good reason), and people like that probably feel emboldened by his comments. Mike doesn't even delete those comments or push back on them when they're made on his personal accounts but he bans people almost immediately if they say something that offends him, so he definitely is aware of this kind of rhetoric surrounding him and DT

Yes, exactly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on November 12, 2019, 10:09:01 AM
You know what I will never understand from MP? The fact that as a grown man, with grown children, simply continues to act like a petulant teenager when it comes to certain things. He is a world class, award-winning drummer, musician, and songwriter. He's spoken of in the same breath as guys like Peart and Bonham -- legendary drummers. But when it comes to Labrie, instead of being the consummate professional, he turns into a very petty and pathetic person. MP should be better than that. He should be above all this. Is it really that hard to pick up the phone with someone you have an issue(s) with, that you spent 25 years of your life with, good and bad times, living out of the same suitcase and bus, and just...talk?

Sure, I don't know the situation, and I don't claim to. But it seems ridiculous that he has this pent up anger with Labrie. And Labrie, to his credit, has publicly kept mostly silent about it. Smartly letting MP look the fool. People grow apart, and I certainly have a few people that I spent a lot of time with that I don't like any longer. But I don't take every opportunity to sling mud at them. I moved on, and if I had to talk to them, or about experiences with them, I'd be civil. It's just what grownups do. Not sure why the 51-year-old MP can't comprehend that.

Edit - someone who wished to be anonymous (whose connection with MP is legit) reached out to me privately to add that MP HAS tried, at least once (the person wasn't sure how many times) to reached out to JLB to mend their differences, but was rebuffed. Again, I trust the person who told me to be honest, and I believe this person. But still, the bottom line is that MP doesn't need to keep saying stuff in public.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 10:10:42 AM
I agree with Stadler that context is VERY important here.

However, I disagree with Stadler that context supports this not being a big deal, I'd say it suggests the opposite.

If MP had said something against JP or the guitar playing in DT, then I think we'd all be much more skeptical since he has never (to my knowledge) spoken out against JP or the guitar playing and is, indeed, quite supportive of him. So if that happened, context would tend to cause us to give MP the benefit of the doubt.

But MP has, as has been pointed out, said MANY negative things about JLB and his vocals. Over the course of many many years, several of which he was still in DT for. So, context actually supports this being a bashing JLB thing since it would just fit what has already been well established.

And this isn't a court of law. No one is punishing MP or doing anything negative to him at all. It's a discussion forum and we're discussing our feelings/thoughts/reactions to it. We do not need 100% conclusive, definitive, indisputable proof to do any of that. We have more than enough reason to think/react/say what we want. Will some people overreact? Sure, but that's unavoidable anyway and just a part of the human condition.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 10:14:15 AM
You know what I will never understand from MP? The fact that as a grown man, with grown children, simply continues to act like a petulant teenager when it comes to certain things. He is a world class, award-winning drummer, musician, and songwriter. He's spoken of in the same breath as guys like Peart and Bonham -- legendary drummers. But when it comes to Labrie, instead of being the consummate professional, he turns into a very petty and pathetic person. MP should be better than that. He should be above all this. Is it really that hard to pick up the phone with someone you have an issue(s) with, that you spent 25 years of your life with, good and bad times, living out of the same suitcase and bus, and just...talk?

Sure, I don't know the situation, and I don't claim to. But it seems ridiculous that he has this pent up anger with Labrie. And Labrie, to his credit, has publicly kept mostly silent about it. Smartly letting MP look the fool. People grow apart, and I certainly have a few people that I spent a lot of time with that I don't like any longer. But I don't take every opportunity to sling mud at them. I moved on, and if I had to talk to them, or about experiences with them, I'd be civil. It's just what grownups do. Not sure why the 51-year-old MP can't comprehend that.

:clap  I agree wholeheartedly with every last word of that.

And while it is not the most important part of your point, I want to zero in on a phrase you used:  "And Labrie, to his credit..."  We talk a lot about giving people the benefit of the doubt.  There's an unspoken aspect of good will and not making assumptions about people and their motives that is built into that.  I think we are at our best as a society when we extend that to people who may not have earned the benefit of the doubt.  But that's different from a person who has actively, repeatedly, over a long period of time, destroyed any "credit" or "benefit of the doubt" they may have been entitled to.  I can't help but feel that that is the case here, unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
No one is punishing MP or doing anything negative to him at all.

Well, if someone were to stop buying his music or supporting him in anyway, isn't that sort of punishment for his actions?  Seems every time he puts hit foot in his mouth, someone here says they are no longer supporting him.  I get your point on this being a discussion forum, but it does seem his actions have consequences beyond just the discussion here.  Although, I have no idea if such people actually hold true to their words here, but it seems some do (judging from the SOA thread and how many people have commented they haven't listened because of MP/DS's words).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 10:17:02 AM
No one is punishing MP or doing anything negative to him at all.

Well, if someone were to stop buying his music or supporting him in anyway, isn't that sort of punishment for his actions?  Seems every time he puts hit foot in his mouth, someone here says they are no longer supporting him.  I get your point on this being a discussion forum, but it does seem his actions have consequences beyond just the discussion here.  Although, I have no idea if such people actually hold true to their words here, but it seems some do (judging from the SOA thread and how many people have commented they haven't listened because of MP/DS's words).

No, that's capitalism and the free market. Just like me choosing to go to a local store instead of Wal-Mart isn't punishing wal-mart, it's just me exercising my choices. If you quit your job because you want to be treated better, you're not punishing your job, you're just deciding not to be a part of it anymore.

Or to keep it with music, if I don't like the new Slipknot album, I'm not going to buy it (though I do and I did) but that's not punishing Slipknot. It's just choosing not to continue with it, or else everything you choose to move on from is punishment.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
Yes, of course it is the free market, I don't get the relation of your examples.  We are talking beyond the music here, if people choose to not support him because of what he says, not the art he creates, its a punishment on his words.  Has nothing to do with tastes anymore.  If you choose a local store over walmart for reasons beyond the product/service when you previously did use them, it's youre way of punishing them for something they are doing.  And the reason to do this is to hope they change.  The same reason you punish anyone, so they don't do it again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 12, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
I agree with Stadler that context is VERY important here.

However, I disagree with Stadler that context supports this not being a big deal, I'd say it suggests the opposite.


If MP had said something against JP or the guitar playing in DT, then I think we'd all be much more skeptical since he has never (to my knowledge) spoken out against JP or the guitar playing and is, indeed, quite supportive of him. So if that happened, context would tend to cause us to give MP the benefit of the doubt.

But MP has, as has been pointed out, said MANY negative things about JLB and his vocals. Over the course of many many years, several of which he was still in DT for. So, context actually supports this being a bashing JLB thing since it would just fit what has already been well established.

And this isn't a court of law. No one is punishing MP or doing anything negative to him at all. It's a discussion forum and we're discussing our feelings/thoughts/reactions to it. We do not need 100% conclusive, definitive, indisputable proof to do any of that. We have more than enough reason to think/react/say what we want. Will some people overreact? Sure, but that's unavoidable anyway and just a part of the human condition.
It depends on what that context is. I don't know if you're one of them or not, but I'm certain you know there are a ton of people who would like DT, or like them a lot more if not for the vocals. I'd bet that every person on this forum has tried to turn somebody onto DT and gotten back "yeah, but the singer." I'd say that group far outweighs the actual DT fanbase. We can probably all agree that he was the most polarizing element.  If Portnoy was referring to those people, and that's a very real possibility, then the context is very much on his side. It won't matter to most, he's spiteful and petty, after all, but if context matters then that should matter.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
But I see nothing to suggest that other than people here saying that it’s possible.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 10:37:56 AM
...And the reason to do this is to hope they change.  The same reason you punish anyone, so they don't do it again.

Not really.  I don't have any hopes of, for example, Geoff Tate changing his conduct because I don't buy his music anymore.  But I find his behavior to be so distasteful that I don't enjoy his music.  So, for the most part, I won't buy anything with his name on it.  Yeah, I guess it "punishes" him in the sense that he doesn't get my money.  But my intent isn't to get him to change.  My intent is to not spend my hard earned money supporting a person whose antics I don't like because I don't want to associate myself with that, and I don't want to spend my money on something I don't enjoy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 12, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
But I see nothing to suggest that other than people here saying that it’s possible.
Perhaps because they're all staring from the assumption that it was spiteful and petty. Everybody already "knows" what he meant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
But I see nothing to suggest that other than people here saying that it’s possible.
Perhaps because they're all staring from the assumption that it was spiteful and petty. Everybody already "knows" what he meant.

Well, no. Generally we don't infer things that have we have no reason to.

I've never, again to my knowledge, see MP do what you are suggesting he might have done. I have seen a lot of evidence that MP bashes JLB. So again, I just go with what makes the most sense.

I can't speak for other people, and I'll be honest this event or whatever is pretty meaningless to me, but I need to see SOME evidence of something to entertain the possibility. I can't just make up hypothetical, which is what is happening.

Maybe he was referring to DT cover bands with bad singers? Maybe he was referring to Nicky Spanjaards? Those are just as likely as what you posit. But again, unless we're just making up hypothetical, there's no reason to assume it.

Also, just to make sure my biases are kept in check, I just recently saw Flying Colors live, enjoyed the hell out of it, love all three of their albums, bought the SOA cd and DVD even though I didn't end up caring for either. Oddly, I no longer like DT and barely listen to anything they've done since MP left.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2019, 10:55:31 AM
Regarding support, I haven't been a fan of Mike Portnoy the person since the early 00's, and have still bought a crap ton of albums he has been a part of since (DT records, Neal Morse solo, Neal Morse Band, Transatlantic, Flying Colors).  Granted, those bands were either Dream Theater, an existing favorite, or Neal Morse-related, so I basically haven't been a fan of anything new he has done since that then didn't involve Neal Morse.  Granted, it's not my fault that Adrenaline Mob was a generic bag of goat shit, or that Sons of Apollo is well-played blandness, but even though I am not a fan of the guy (as a human, he is still one of my favorite drummers ever), if he released something new that kicked ass, I am sure I'd be all over it. Good music is good music, and I can almost always look past "off the stage" crap and just enjoy the tunes, but I certainly understand if others cannot.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 11:05:04 AM
...And the reason to do this is to hope they change.  The same reason you punish anyone, so they don't do it again.

Not really.  I don't have any hopes of, for example, Geoff Tate changing his conduct because I don't buy his music anymore.  But I find his behavior to be so distasteful that I don't enjoy his music.  So, for the most part, I won't buy anything with his name on it.  Yeah, I guess it "punishes" him in the sense that he doesn't get my money.  But my intent isn't to get him to change.  My intent is to not spend my hard earned money supporting a person whose antics I don't like because I don't want to associate myself with that, and I don't want to spend my money on something I don't enjoy.

But if Geoff Tate changed his attitude and released something that could be for your tastes, you still wouldn't buy it?  Obviously, changing attitude is not an overnight thing, it would take a lot of time and a consistency of always saying and doing the right things.  To continue this example, it almost seemed like Tate was becoming a bit more well liked with his performances in Avantasia but then kind of tore it apart with his latest project (forget the name), but if things didn't go off course again and he kept gaining positive momentum, you still wouldn't give him a shot?  Seems like people can always find redemption through hard work on making yourself better.  This is also just one example though.

I'm going to lose some here but "the comeback is always greater than the setback" quoted from some MTV personality  :lol I definitely feel like people can redeem themselves over time, and but it takes a "punishment" in some cases for them to realize they need to change.  Punishing an artist's wallet is one way to get their attention, maybe the best. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 12, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
I watched the video from the beginning up to the part we've already seen, and I agree with those saying it just makes MP look worse.  Without DT, without JLB, without his fans, he wouldn't be able to to do what he's doing now. 

Whoever said that he should ignore this and not address it is likely right... But adding to that - just stop saying stuff like this.  Just stop.  An apology would be cool if and only if he comes to it from a place of sincerity and commits to stop the nonsense and move on.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 12, 2019, 11:11:33 AM
Has it ever been more obvious MP is bitter that DT continues to have consistent success over MP's middling ventures in other projects? The fact that he doesn't care about mincing his words or watching what he says or where he says it says volumes
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on November 12, 2019, 11:32:38 AM
Maybe more appropriately, DT's success with James
still out in front. Something about James renders his
self-check modulator useless. I'm guessing it was years
of shows where MP felt James did not meet the
minimum standard for acceptability.  I think it burns
his ass as bad as a hemorrhoid  that needs to
be banded.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 11:40:17 AM
...And the reason to do this is to hope they change.  The same reason you punish anyone, so they don't do it again.

Not really.  I don't have any hopes of, for example, Geoff Tate changing his conduct because I don't buy his music anymore.  But I find his behavior to be so distasteful that I don't enjoy his music.  So, for the most part, I won't buy anything with his name on it.  Yeah, I guess it "punishes" him in the sense that he doesn't get my money.  But my intent isn't to get him to change.  My intent is to not spend my hard earned money supporting a person whose antics I don't like because I don't want to associate myself with that, and I don't want to spend my money on something I don't enjoy.

But if Geoff Tate changed his attitude and released something that could be for your tastes, you still wouldn't buy it?  Obviously, changing attitude is not an overnight thing, it would take a lot of time and a consistency of always saying and doing the right things.  To continue this example, it almost seemed like Tate was becoming a bit more well liked with his performances in Avantasia but then kind of tore it apart with his latest project (forget the name), but if things didn't go off course again and he kept gaining positive momentum, you still wouldn't give him a shot? 

It depends.  It is a highly subjective thing.  For me, I generally work like this:  I don't necessarily "boycott" an artist just based on what they do or who they are (I mean, given the right circumstances, I might, but it has to be pretty extreme, and that's more the exception than the rule).  But if it gets to a point where it is very distasteful to me to the point where it taints my enjoyment of the music (or other product), then my thought process is more along the lines of having a personal default position of not being interested.  That isn't to say I wouldn't give it a shot.  But it is just less likely that I will.

To go further with the Tate example, I'm not interested in what he does, as a rule.  I'm not going to seek out anything he does where he is the primary person or a primary collaborator.  That said, if something were to come out that really was highly critically acclaimed, my interest might be piqued to sample it and see if it was worth buying.  But I would probably have to like it a lot before wanting to add it to my collection--much moreso than an artist that I am more neutral about.  But then if you take something like Avantasia, for example, that's different to me.  I am somewhat of a fan of Avantasia.  And I think Tobi is able to get something out of Tate to make his performances on the Avantasia stuff more palatable.  So I have no qualms about buying an Avantasia album with Tate on it, for example, even though it is highly unlikely that I would give a Tate solo album the time of day.  Again, I know it is highly subjective, and the lines I draw are extremely murky, but that is generally my approach.

It is similar with MP.  More and more, I find myself my "default" position on him to be moving toward, "not interested no matter how good, because I just find him to be so distasteful that it's hard to enjoy the music."  I'm not nearly as far down that road with him than I am with Tate.  But as time goes on, I find myself just a little bit farther and farther down that road with each passing comment or other exercise of poor judgment of his.  At the time he left DT, anything he was on was almost an automatic buy.  I picked up A7X's album, even though I'm not a fan, just because he played on it.  Now?  Nope.  Now, I'm much more skeptical.  Some of that is simply the fact that I now see more of a track record of him playing on stuff that I don't find myself enjoying.  And some of it is just him being a turn-off in general.  But I guess I'm somewhere on the spectrum in between "I'll check it out and see if I enjoy it and then decide" and "My default is 'not interested' if his name is on it."  I'm still much closer to the former.  But the direction of movement is definitely toward the latter.  And to give a tangible example of that, let's take SOA.  I bought the first album on the day of release, and would have done so even if I hadn't heard it.  I liked most of the music a lot.  I've become so soured on Mike, and Derek, and JSS's childish stage banter that, although I had initially planned on buying the live release, I probably won't.  And as far as their next studio album, I'm definitely now more hesitant and in "wait and see what I think after hearing a good chunk of it" than I would have been before.  If I like it a lot, I'll get it because I like it enough to overlook what MP and Derek have said/done.  But that is a much bigger hurdle than it was at, say, the time Psychotic Symphony was released.

That was probably much more of an explanation than you wanted.  But I find the psychology of all of this to be pretty interesting, so there you go.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 11:52:40 AM
Yea, it is interesting and its also very personal in a way, not just in how you interpret someone's actions but your response to it as well.  There's just a big part of me that feels this stuff can be made better.  MP could come out, apologize and show some heartfelt remorse for his actions and spend time acting and saying all the right things that, for me, would help make my feelings about him be more positive.  He hasn't gotten under my skin enough for me to just say no to his work, but it could get there at some point, but I do like to think, I could come around and forgive/support him even if I didn't before.  People can change.  I just hope that the negative response sparks a positive change, it hasn't before and I don't expect it to, but it would be nice if he could turn his image around. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 12:26:27 PM
Personally, I think this is funny and not a big deal at all.

I believe he was being "Tongue in Cheek" but even if he was being dead serious it's not a big deal at all.

He is not in the band anymore, he can say whatever he wants.   He is a GIGANTIC reason we all fell in love with this band and impacted all of our lives for the better and I can't understand why people constantly bash him on this board.

His personal relationship or falling out with DT is probably difficult for him and nobody on this board or anywhere else can fully understand how it feels so IMO, he can say whatever he wants.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 12:33:07 PM
If he started a blog dissecting how bad DT's vocals were or even tweeted about it I can understand some people being upset.  However, this was just one casual interview where he made a funny self deprecating dig at the band he started which happens to be the MOST common critique of the band.  It's just not a big deal at all.

The guy drummed on I&W and SFAM.... come on people!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 12:37:38 PM
The guy drummed on I&W and SFAM.... come on people!

And that's cool.  Nobody is criticizing his drumming.

You are right that "he can say anything."  I don't think anyone is saying otherwise.  But by the same token, people "can" feel any way they want about it, including reacting negatively when what he says reflects very poorly on him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 12, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
He is not in the band anymore, he can say whatever he wants.   He is a GIGANTIC reason we all fell in love with this band and impacted all of our lives for the better and I can't understand why people constantly bash him on this board.

His personal relationship or falling out with DT is probably difficult for him and nobody on this board or anywhere else can fully understand how it feels so IMO, he can say whatever he wants.
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 12:38:16 PM
If he started a blog dissecting how bad DT's vocals were or even tweeted about it I can understand some people being upset.  However, this was just one casual interview where he made a funny self deprecating dig at the band he started which happens to be the MOST common critique of the band.  It's just not a big deal at all.

But it's not an isolated incident, that's why people continue to talk about it.  It keeps happening.  I do think you are right that none of us know or can fully understand whats going on in his head.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 12:42:15 PM
All fair responses... he was being majorly piled on here and there isn't a definitive resolution as to what he meant or why he said it so I felt the need to defend a legend that has mostly positively impacted our lives.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 12, 2019, 12:50:45 PM
He is not in the band anymore, he can say whatever he wants.   He is a GIGANTIC reason we all fell in love with this band and impacted all of our lives for the better and I can't understand why people constantly bash him on this board.

His personal relationship or falling out with DT is probably difficult for him and nobody on this board or anywhere else can fully understand how it feels so IMO, he can say whatever he wants.
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.

And while he has a right to say whatever he wants, he also opens himself up to whatever reactions come from what he says. Hef is right, he needs to grow the fuck up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
And nobody is "bashing" him or "piling on"--we are reacting to what he publicly said.  That is 100% fair game.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 12, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
Mike can't control that impulse.  He's like Jerry Jones in that aspect. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lupton on November 12, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
Who's Jerry Jones?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: zappafrank2112 on November 12, 2019, 01:29:11 PM

Without DT,
without JLB,



There wouldn't beeeeeeee any MPeeeeeeeee...

*breakdown followed by wicked keys and guitar solos*
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2019, 01:34:08 PM
And blabbermouth just posted another article about MP and leaving DT  :facepalm:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-looks-back-on-his-exit-from-dream-theater-i-needed-a-break-from-those-guys/?fbclid=IwAR1Sr4QUDOap4lMzNon6qZ_92W3Cs-EAkHzkur018lfv7tbB3SLO1M_W7OU (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-looks-back-on-his-exit-from-dream-theater-i-needed-a-break-from-those-guys/?fbclid=IwAR1Sr4QUDOap4lMzNon6qZ_92W3Cs-EAkHzkur018lfv7tbB3SLO1M_W7OU)

Funny, I commented saying to stop posting this and getting your news from message boards and MP himself liked my comment  :lol

OK, now I get why Bosk said this is not comparable to Sonic Perspectives
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
Now THAT article makes Portnoy look pretty terrible!     Still love you Mike :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 12, 2019, 01:44:39 PM
I will never stop buying any music Mike is involved. 


That being said, when you say "I'm burnt on these guys", it's really on you.  He played with so many side projects that it soured him on the band he founded. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 12, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
I will never stop buying any music Mike is involved.  .

Really? Even if it sucks?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2019, 01:51:17 PM
He's put out 40 albums since leaving Dream Theater?  Yeah well, it's easy to pad that number when you release live albums from practically every tour. :lol 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 12, 2019, 01:53:37 PM
I will never stop buying any music Mike is involved.  .

Really? Even if it sucks?

95% of it doesn't.  So 5%, yeah.  Most likely the music your like Tim. :loser:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: zappafrank2112 on November 12, 2019, 01:55:55 PM
One of the user comments on the new article:

Mike left his wife (Dream Theater) because he was overexcited due to an affair with a young damaged and vulnerable woman (Avenged Sevenfold) so he tried to lay claim on the young damaged woman but she never took him seriously because she wanted a young man as her permanent lover. She rejected Mike's offer to be the next woman he would cheat on, so Mike went groveling back to his wife (Dream Theater.) Mike's wife had already found a new man who appreciated her and would make her his whole world, so Mike became the Hugh Hefner of metal and is now bragging that he has 40 illegitimate children with 35 different mothers as opposed to Dream Theater's 4 new children that have both their parents and a stable home life.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on November 12, 2019, 01:58:15 PM
And blabbermouth just posted another article about MP and leaving DT  :facepalm:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-looks-back-on-his-exit-from-dream-theater-i-needed-a-break-from-those-guys/?fbclid=IwAR1Sr4QUDOap4lMzNon6qZ_92W3Cs-EAkHzkur018lfv7tbB3SLO1M_W7OU (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-looks-back-on-his-exit-from-dream-theater-i-needed-a-break-from-those-guys/?fbclid=IwAR1Sr4QUDOap4lMzNon6qZ_92W3Cs-EAkHzkur018lfv7tbB3SLO1M_W7OU)

Two things about that article:

1) This comment from A7X's Zacky:

Quote
And he told us, 'Hey, I've got good news and bad news. I quit DREAM THEATER.' We were like, 'Oh, no. Well, if you're happy, then that's good.' [And he was like], 'Now I can be with you guys.' And we were like, 'That's not necessarily what we decided upon. And you should take your time and reconsider.' And he was like, 'Well, I put out my press release.' We were like, 'Dude, that's not how we do business. You should have talked to us before.

2) This from the comment section:

Quote
Mike left his wife (Dream Theater) because he was overexcited due to an affair with a young damaged and vulnerable woman (Avenged Sevenfold) so he tried to lay claim on the young damaged woman but she never took him seriously because she wanted a young man as her permanent lover. She rejected Mike's offer to be the next woman he would cheat on, so Mike went groveling back to his wife (Dream Theater.) Mike's wife had already found a new man who appreciated her and would make her his whole world, so Mike became the Hugh Hefner of metal and is now bragging that he has 40 illegitimate children with 35 different mothers as opposed to Dream Theater's 4 new children that have both their parents and a stable home life.

Zappa got ahead of me! lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 01:58:47 PM
Now THAT article makes Portnoy look pretty terrible!     

I disagree and think that article actually is fine (other than being a bit revisionist with regard to his departure from A7X, but I'll leave that aside).  It highlights and clarifies a lot about what was probably the biggest underlying reason why he and DT reached an impasse.  All the members were always free to do whatever they wanted outside of DT, provided that DT came first and whatever else they were doing did not conflict with DT's plans.  MP at that time felt that he was burned out on DT and needed to put himself first and do some other things.  That is inconsistent with how the band had operated.  I think he mistakenly felt that they would agree that what he needed was also best for the band as a whole.  But in most bands with strong leadership, I think it is obvious that the band needs to come first, and side projects, guest appearances, etc. need to fit the band's schedule, or else they are a no-go.  Had MP given it some thought, he should have realized this and come to that same conclusion.  And maybe he did, but still felt so strongly that he was right that he didn't care.  But he again seemed to be so surprised that the band didn't go along with what he wanted that I don't think so.  But anyhow, going back to the whole "DT burned MP" thing, this is another instance of his own words disproving that. 

It's also interesting that we see him basically do the same thing twice in a short timeframe.  He basically went to DT and said, "I know the agreement was that we're going into the studio in January [I think it was January, right?], but I want to change the agreement."  He didn't want to go along with what everyone had previously agreed to and unilaterally made a decision contrary to that agreement.  A short time later, he went to the A7X guys and said, "I know the agreement was for me to work with you guys for a limited term, which is about to expire, but I want to change the agreement and be a permanent member."  As with the DT situation, the A7X guys couldn't fathom why MP thought he could unilaterally change the agreement, and they understandably didn't go along with what he wanted.  It's interesting that he kind of tries to change the narrative on the A7X departure now, despite what he and they said at the time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 12, 2019, 02:03:11 PM

Without DT,
without JLB,



There wouldn't beeeeeeee any MPeeeeeeeee...

*breakdown followed by wicked keys and guitar solos*

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 12, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
We all know he started to not like LaBries vocals, even having a boxing bag on his drum kit, when LaBrie or himself would mess up. It doesnt surprise me he would say something like what he said. It still doesn't get me riled up or dislike his output. What I see is how much he still misses being in Dream Theater.

The closest thing he has done to Dream Theater is Labyrinth and Opus Maximus. Those songs show Sons of Apollo has it in them to be Prog-Metal. If their are more songs like that on the new album, I'll likely listen to them more.

Although it is pretty wild Blabbermouth put the blame on the forums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 12, 2019, 02:19:00 PM
More like Nopus Maximus :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 12, 2019, 02:21:14 PM
More like Nopus Maximus :neverusethis:

Ironically, I like the instrumental sections in those songs more than when JSS "annoying" vocals are singing. (He's not annoying, I actually enjoy his singing in those songs)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 02:23:49 PM
More like Nopus Maximus :neverusethis:

That is the most awesome thing ever.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2019, 02:25:53 PM
More like Nopus Maximus :neverusethis:

That's it, lock the thread, nothing more to see here.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MarkFitDT on November 12, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
We all know he started to not like LaBries vocals, even having a boxing bag on his drum kit, when LaBrie or himself would mess up. It doesnt surprise me he would say something like what he said. It still doesn't get me riled up or dislike his output. What I see is how much he still misses being in Dream Theater.

The closest thing he has done to Dream Theater is Labyrinth and Opus Maximus. Those songs show Sons of Apollo has it in them to be Prog-Metal. If their are more songs like that on the new album, I'll likely listen to them more.

Although it is pretty wild Blabbermouth put the blame on the forums.

I agree completely with this and he probably cant deal with how popular they still are and how much good music they have produced since he left.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 12, 2019, 02:33:23 PM
We all know he started to not like LaBries vocals, even having a boxing bag on his drum kit, when LaBrie or himself would mess up. It doesnt surprise me he would say something like what he said. It still doesn't get me riled up or dislike his output. What I see is how much he still misses being in Dream Theater.

The closest thing he has done to Dream Theater is Labyrinth and Opus Maximus. Those songs show Sons of Apollo has it in them to be Prog-Metal. If their are more songs like that on the new album, I'll likely listen to them more.

Although it is pretty wild Blabbermouth put the blame on the forums.

I agree completely with this and he probably cant deal with how popular they still are and how much good music they have produced since he left.

Could be. Could be the music style. As is why I said Sons of Apollo has it in them to be akin to what he had in Dream Theater, even better for him since he can do what he couldn't do while he was still in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bill1971 on November 12, 2019, 02:38:49 PM
I think he probably regrets leaving. To me, it just seems like for him it is quantity over quality. Not saying his projects aren't quality, but it's rarely what he talks about. It's always how many bands he is in or how many albums he has done. That seems to be very important to him judging by his comments.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
Now THAT article makes Portnoy look pretty terrible!     

I disagree and think that article actually is fine (other than being a bit revisionist with regard to his departure from A7X, but I'll leave that aside).  It highlights and clarifies a lot about what was probably the biggest underlying reason why he and DT reached an impasse.  All the members were always free to do whatever they wanted outside of DT, provided that DT came first and whatever else they were doing did not conflict with DT's plans.  MP at that time felt that he was burned out on DT and needed to put himself first and do some other things.  That is inconsistent with how the band had operated.  I think he mistakenly felt that they would agree that what he needed was also best for the band as a whole.  But in most bands with strong leadership, I think it is obvious that the band needs to come first, and side projects, guest appearances, etc. need to fit the band's schedule, or else they are a no-go.  Had MP given it some thought, he should have realized this and come to that same conclusion.  And maybe he did, but still felt so strongly that he was right that he didn't care.  But he again seemed to be so surprised that the band didn't go along with what he wanted that I don't think so.  But anyhow, going back to the whole "DT burned MP" thing, this is another instance of his own words disproving that. 

It's also interesting that we see him basically do the same thing twice in a short timeframe.  He basically went to DT and said, "I know the agreement was that we're going into the studio in January [I think it was January, right?], but I want to change the agreement."  He didn't want to go along with what everyone had previously agreed to and unilaterally made a decision contrary to that agreement.  A short time later, he went to the A7X guys and said, "I know the agreement was for me to work with you guys for a limited term, which is about to expire, but I want to change the agreement and be a permanent member."  As with the DT situation, the A7X guys couldn't fathom why MP thought he could unilaterally change the agreement, and they understandably didn't go along with what he wanted.  It's interesting that he kind of tries to change the narrative on the A7X departure now, despite what he and they said at the time.


So.. how does this NOT make Portnoy look terrible?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 12, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
More like Nopus Maximus :neverusethis:

Ironically, I like the instrumental sections in those songs more than when JSS "annoying" vocals are singing. (He's not annoying, I actually enjoy his singing in those songs)

And I consider Labyrinth to be yet another case of a song that has to stop to make room for seemingly endless minutes of random soloing, disjointed from the mood of the song, like it was happening in the latest DT albums with Portnoy and basically stopped (or was more self contained and more in tune with the mood of the song) after he left.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 12, 2019, 03:31:39 PM
Now THAT article makes Portnoy look pretty terrible!     

I disagree and think that article actually is fine (other than being a bit revisionist with regard to his departure from A7X, but I'll leave that aside).  It highlights and clarifies a lot about what was probably the biggest underlying reason why he and DT reached an impasse.  All the members were always free to do whatever they wanted outside of DT, provided that DT came first and whatever else they were doing did not conflict with DT's plans.  MP at that time felt that he was burned out on DT and needed to put himself first and do some other things.  That is inconsistent with how the band had operated.  I think he mistakenly felt that they would agree that what he needed was also best for the band as a whole.  But in most bands with strong leadership, I think it is obvious that the band needs to come first, and side projects, guest appearances, etc. need to fit the band's schedule, or else they are a no-go.  Had MP given it some thought, he should have realized this and come to that same conclusion.  And maybe he did, but still felt so strongly that he was right that he didn't care.  But he again seemed to be so surprised that the band didn't go along with what he wanted that I don't think so.  But anyhow, going back to the whole "DT burned MP" thing, this is another instance of his own words disproving that. 

It's also interesting that we see him basically do the same thing twice in a short timeframe.  He basically went to DT and said, "I know the agreement was that we're going into the studio in January [I think it was January, right?], but I want to change the agreement."  He didn't want to go along with what everyone had previously agreed to and unilaterally made a decision contrary to that agreement.  A short time later, he went to the A7X guys and said, "I know the agreement was for me to work with you guys for a limited term, which is about to expire, but I want to change the agreement and be a permanent member."  As with the DT situation, the A7X guys couldn't fathom why MP thought he could unilaterally change the agreement, and they understandably didn't go along with what he wanted.  It's interesting that he kind of tries to change the narrative on the A7X departure now, despite what he and they said at the time.


So.. how does this NOT make Portnoy look terrible?   

I just explained that.  You said that it does.  How does it? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 03:39:25 PM
haha... do I really have to explain this?

He quit DT thinking that he would be accepted as a full time drummer to Avenged Sevenfold and they thought it was ridiculous for him to assume that.  He was also painted as overdramatic and too much for them to handle.   He brought drama to the band at a tough time.   
 
He changed the narrative over time on the departure from Avenged Sevenfold etc...

It's the reason people are posting the below comment... because it makes Portnoy look bad and is a funny analogy.

"Mike left his wife (Dream Theater) because he was overexcited due to an affair with a young damaged and vulnerable woman (Avenged Sevenfold) so he tried to lay claim on the young damaged woman but she never took him seriously because she wanted a young man as her permanent lover. She rejected Mike's offer to be the next woman he would cheat on, so Mike went groveling back to his wife (Dream Theater.) Mike's wife had already found a new man who appreciated her and would make her his whole world, so Mike became the Hugh Hefner of metal and is now bragging that he has 40 illegitimate children with 35 different mothers as opposed to Dream Theater's 4 new children that have both their parents and a stable home life."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 03:40:52 PM
Also, this quote itself makes Portnoy look bad

"And he told us, 'Hey, I've got good news and bad news. I quit DREAM THEATER.' We were like, 'Oh, no. Well, if you're happy, then that's good.' [And he was like], 'Now I can be with you guys.' And we were like, 'That's not necessarily what we decided upon. And you should take your time and reconsider.' And he was like, 'Well, I put out my press release.' We were like, 'Dude, that's not how we do business. You should have talked to us before."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on November 12, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
I think he probably regrets leaving. To me, it just seems like for him it is quantity over quality. Not saying his projects aren't quality, but it's rarely what he talks about. It's always how many bands he is in or how many albums he has done. That seems to be very important to him judging by his comments.

My personal belief is Mike Portnoy regretted leaving Dream Theater the moment he said he was done with them. He's been scrambling from project to project since then, and I am sure he enjoys his work. But he tried to get back (if I remember correctly) more than once, and he's said how DT was his "baby" so many times over the years, it's pretty damn obvious he knows he screwed up. And he probably also knows he's got almost no shot of ever returning, and it eats at him, daily, as nothing he has done since then has any shot in hell of ever being as successful as Dream Theater.

To be quite honest, as sensitive as Mike is, that has to hurt -- A LOT. He most likely has to hustle and work a TON more than he used to, in order to keep some semblance of the same income level. Whereas he watches the DT guys, who work out of the want to work outside of DT -- they likely don't have to if they don't want to. And that likely gets MP mad, jealous, sad, and spiteful, all at the same time.

Honestly, MP brought this on himself, so it is tough to feel bad for him, particularly the way he has carried himself. But a part of me still does feel bad. He made a grave mistake, one that he'll never get over, and he watches something he helped build (much more than the drumming and lyric writing) thrive, while he's jumping from thing to thing and working like a dog to keep the lifestyle he had prior to the split. And he's not getting any younger. The mega touring and being on the road with a gazillion projects can only go on for so long.

MP had the absolute perfect scenario, and then he made the mistake of thinking he was more important than he really was, and gambled. He lost. And no matter how hard he works, he'll never attain the status that he had with Dream Theater.

The romantic in me wants a reconciliation between all of them. But Dream Theater (and their mgmt, I am sure) know that they are doing great without MP, and introducing a wild card back into the mix, with that personality, is a risk that isn't worth taking, given their success. They don't need Mike Portnoy. But sadly, Mike Portnoy needs them (to feel complete, for lack of a better way to express it), and it is too late. And he doesn't make it easier with screw-ups like this interview. :(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 12, 2019, 03:45:17 PM
I think he probably regrets leaving. To me, it just seems like for him it is quantity over quality. Not saying his projects aren't quality, but it's rarely what he talks about. It's always how many bands he is in or how many albums he has done. That seems to be very important to him judging by his comments.

My personal belief is Mike Portnoy regretted leaving Dream Theater the moment he said he was done with them. He's been scrambling from project to project since then, and I am sure he enjoys his work. But he tried to get back (if I remember correctly) more than once, and he's said how DT was his "baby" so many times over the years, it's pretty damn obvious he knows he screwed up. And he probably also knows he's got almost no shot of ever returning, and it eats at him, daily, as nothing he has done since then has any shot in hell of ever being as successful as Dream Theater.

To be quite honest, as sensitive as Mike is, that has to hurt -- A LOT. He most likely has to hustle and work a TON more than he used to, in order to keep some semblance of the same income level. Whereas he watches the DT guys, who work out of the want to work outside of DT -- they likely don't have to if they don't want to. And that likely gets MP mad, jealous, sad, and spiteful, all at the same time.

Honestly, MP brought this on himself, so it is tough to feel bad for him, particularly the way he has carried himself. But a part of me still does feel bad. He made a grave mistake, one that he'll never get over, and he watches something he helped build (much more than the drumming and lyric writing) thrive, while he's jumping from thing to thing and working like a dog to keep the lifestyle he had prior to the split. And he's not getting any younger. The mega touring and being on the road with a gazillion projects can only go on for so long.

MP had the absolute perfect scenario, and then he made the mistake of thinking he was more important than he really was, and gambled. He lost. And no matter how hard he works, he'll never attain the status that he had with Dream Theater.

The romantic in me wants a reconciliation between all of them. But Dream Theater (and their mgmt, I am sure) know that they are doing great without MP, and introducing a wild card back into the mix, with that personality, is a risk that isn't worth taking, given their success. They don't need Mike Portnoy. But sadly, Mike Portnoy needs them (to feel complete, for lack of a better way to express it), and it is too late. And he doesn't make it easier with screw-ups like this interview. :(

Of course we can never know for sure what MP is actually thinking or going through emotionally, but if you asked me how I would guess he is feeling... I think your post sums it up perfectly.

I do feel bad for him.... people make mistakes and he made a bad one.   It hurts me just thinking about.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2019, 03:59:37 PM
Seriously? Come on! There are two major FACTS surrounding that statement which makes its interpretation very easy and straightforward:

(I) He asks if they are "on air" and get really shocked when being replied yes!
(II) We all know the bad blood and disrupted relationship between MP and JLB!     
This is pretty much the dictionary definition of confirmation bias.

Stadler is right that we don't know how Mike intended his remark.

BUT

Bosk is more right (he usually is) that regardless of what Mike meant and whether it was supposed to be a joke about fans, he really should know better about how his words get taken.

Personally, I find it quite ironic that this was part of a discussion about fan reactions to things and how the fanbase over-analyses everything, and we've had pages of analysis here to discuss it. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 12, 2019, 05:01:47 PM
Personally, I find it quite ironic that this was part of a discussion about fan reactions to things and how the fanbase over-analyses everything, and we've had pages of analysis here to discuss it. :lol


It's the only thing we truly excel at. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 12, 2019, 05:04:38 PM
Seriously? Come on! There are two major FACTS surrounding that statement which makes its interpretation very easy and straightforward:

(I) He asks if they are "on air" and get really shocked when being replied yes!
(II) We all know the bad blood and disrupted relationship between MP and JLB!     
This is pretty much the dictionary definition of confirmation bias.

Stadler is right that we don't know how Mike intended his remark.

BUT

Bosk is more right (he usually is) that regardless of what Mike meant and whether it was supposed to be a joke about fans, he really should know better about how his words get taken.

Personally, I find it quite ironic that this was part of a discussion about fan reactions to things and how the fanbase over-analyses everything, and we've had pages of analysis here to discuss it. :lol

I dont think I've seen this side of the forum this active in a whole.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 12, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Honestly, MP brought this on himself, so it is tough to feel bad for him, particularly the way he has carried himself. But a part of me still does feel bad. He made a grave mistake, one that he'll never get over, and he watches something he helped build (much more than the drumming and lyric writing) thrive, while he's jumping from thing to thing and working like a dog to keep the lifestyle he had prior to the split. And he's not getting any younger. The mega touring and being on the road with a gazillion projects can only go on for so long.
Lots of psychoanalyzing and assumptions here, even though I think you're on the right trail. I think he took a pay cut, but I don't really think he's working like a dog; his kids are adults now, his house is nice, I just don't see a man working like a dog to maintain his lifestyle in Mike. But it's a fact that he wanted a break from DT and got a permanent split because they hired a guy who left a full-time teaching position at the college they dropped out of. No chance of special performances because his relationships with some guys in the band have deteriorated (in particular, one guy he voted to replace before - James - has outlasted Mike's tenure in DT), no releasing and performing things he had planned like the 12SS and finishing the Black Clouds tour properly, no huge release weeks with tens of thousands of fans buzzing about every piece of content Mike posted and the music they are hearing, no writing setlists with ten albums to choose from. Looking at everything he missed out on in the past ten years, even without analyzing how he must feel about it, makes me feel pretty bad. Just because he got tired of those things in the moment doesn't mean he wanted to lose them forever. But what's done is done, and time heals all wounds.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 12, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Personally, I find it quite ironic that this was part of a discussion about fan reactions to things and how the fanbase over-analyses everything, and we've had pages of analysis here to discuss it. :lol


It's the only thing we truly excel at. :lol

Let's IM Rich on Facebook to talk about it some more.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 12, 2019, 07:05:17 PM
Personally, I find it quite ironic that this was part of a discussion about fan reactions to things and how the fanbase over-analyses everything, and we've had pages of analysis here to discuss it. :lol


It's the only thing we truly excel at. :lol

Let's IM Rich on Facebook to talk about it some more.

I'm game...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 12, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
Personally, I think this is funny and not a big deal at all.

I believe he was being "Tongue in Cheek" but even if he was being dead serious it's not a big deal at all.

He is not in the band anymore, he can say whatever he wants.   He is a GIGANTIC reason we all fell in love with this band and impacted all of our lives for the better and I can't understand why people constantly bash him on this board.

His personal relationship or falling out with DT is probably difficult for him and nobody on this board or anywhere else can fully understand how it feels so IMO, he can say whatever he wants.

Ding ding ding!

He’s a rock n roll drummer, not the Secretary of State conducting sensitive peace negotiations.

He was asked about LTE and made a dumb joke. JLB hates his guts, and the band has made it fairly clear they want nothing to with him, professionally, since he left in 2010. I know we are passionate about the band but calling him names like a “petulant child” or boycotting him simply because he occasionally puts his foot in his mouth seems like an overreaction. Let’s face it, band disputes/breakups rarely bring out the best in people. If you compare all of this to the post breakup shenanigans of KISS, Van Halen, even the Beatles...the DT/Portnoy saga is pretty tame.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 12, 2019, 07:35:50 PM
Mike is like that person that posts all his or her problems on Facebook.

We all are tired of seeing the drama. 

That's the point. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 12, 2019, 08:39:13 PM
Personally, I think this is funny and not a big deal at all.

I believe he was being "Tongue in Cheek" but even if he was being dead serious it's not a big deal at all.

He is not in the band anymore, he can say whatever he wants.   He is a GIGANTIC reason we all fell in love with this band and impacted all of our lives for the better and I can't understand why people constantly bash him on this board.

His personal relationship or falling out with DT is probably difficult for him and nobody on this board or anywhere else can fully understand how it feels so IMO, he can say whatever he wants.

Ding ding ding!

He’s a rock n roll drummer, not the Secretary of State conducting sensitive peace negotiations.

He was asked about LTE and made a dumb joke. JLB hates his guts, and the band has made it fairly clear they want nothing to with him, professionally, since he left in 2010. I know we are passionate about the band but calling him names like a “petulant child” or boycotting him simply because he occasionally puts his foot in his mouth seems like an overreaction. Let’s face it, band disputes/breakups rarely bring out the best in people. If you compare all of this to the post breakup shenanigans of KISS, Van Halen, even the Beatles...the DT/Portnoy saga is pretty tame.
Agreed, there are far more important things to be talking about than MP's internet life, but this is showbiz. That's the way gossip in the entertainment industry has always worked, except the internet has made it all much more intense.

Yeah, this is probably being over-discussed right now but as it has been put several times MP brought this on himself. We follow closely both DT and MP because we love their work, because we've given them not only our money but our time and some of us have even invested greatly in traveling abroad just to see them perform live because they're so important to us; so whenever these things happen it's only natural we're going to get upset and we're going to be vocal about it. I know it's not a big deal and I agree with the sentiment that this is just MP being MP and we should just let it go (because, as you say, this is absurd rock n' roll drama), but I don't see any reason we cannot state what we think about the situation. If there's a place where we can we as vocal as we want and absurdly analytical over things like these, it's this forum (or at least I've always thought of this place like that).

This subject matter is probably going to die in a week or so, only to be necro'd in a couple of months (or weeks?) until Mike Portnoy comes out of the shadow to do or say something very Portnoy-ish (as it has happened non-stop for the past 10 years) and people will talk about it again. It's just the way it works.

I, for one, am enjoying posting in this forum again. It's been months since I felt the need to come and actually talk about DT-related stuff with other fellow, passionate and intense fans of the band (and MP, for what it takes).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 12, 2019, 08:52:21 PM
I think he probably regrets leaving. To me, it just seems like for him it is quantity over quality. Not saying his projects aren't quality, but it's rarely what he talks about. It's always how many bands he is in or how many albums he has done. That seems to be very important to him judging by his comments.

I think it’s been discussed before, but releasing that many albums every year could actually work against him, IMO. He’s got to a place where he’s in so many new releases that we have no problem skipping or ignoring some of them because there’s another one coming in a couple months that we might enjoy more. I feel like he’s trying to please everybody with a lot of different albums and bands, but now every album feels just like “oh, another MP album” as opposed to an important event fans eagerly await.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 12, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
I think he probably regrets leaving. To me, it just seems like for him it is quantity over quality. Not saying his projects aren't quality, but it's rarely what he talks about. It's always how many bands he is in or how many albums he has done. That seems to be very important to him judging by his comments.

I think it’s been discussed before, but releasing that many albums every year could actually work against him, IMO. He’s got to a place where he’s in so many new releases that we have no problem skipping or ignoring some of them because there’s another one coming in a couple months that we might enjoy more. I feel like he’s trying to please everybody with a lot of different albums and bands, but now every album feels just like “oh, another MP album” as opposed to an important event fans eagerly await.
This did happen to me, so I agree to the sentiment. I feel that MP is all over the place, and that kinda makes my eagerness to hear him play dim quite a bit.

It's like: Oh, another MP record. Yay.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 12, 2019, 09:30:43 PM
That can cut both ways.

On the one hand, there are bands like Radiohead that don't do new records that often, and I often wish they would, but when they do release one, it just feels very special.

On the other hand, as a Neal Morse junkie, I sometimes marvel at how lucky we are to have gotten so much music out of him over the last 25 years (6 Spock's, 4 Transatlantic, 3 Flying Colors, 12 solo albums that I own, 3 Neal Morse Band), yet they come out with such frequency that they have the tendency to not feel as special because of that "Oh, another new one" feeling.

So yeah, it can certainly cut both ways, in both scenarios.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 12, 2019, 10:28:22 PM
I think he probably regrets leaving. To me, it just seems like for him it is quantity over quality. Not saying his projects aren't quality, but it's rarely what he talks about. It's always how many bands he is in or how many albums he has done. That seems to be very important to him judging by his comments.

I think it’s been discussed before, but releasing that many albums every year could actually work against him, IMO. He’s got to a place where he’s in so many new releases that we have no problem skipping or ignoring some of them because there’s another one coming in a couple months that we might enjoy more. I feel like he’s trying to please everybody with a lot of different albums and bands, but now every album feels just like “oh, another MP album” as opposed to an important event fans eagerly await.
This did happen to me, so I agree to the sentiment. I feel that MP is all over the place, and that kinda makes my eagerness to hear him play dim quite a bit.

It's like: Oh, another MP record. Yay.

I think his bands are diverse enough where this really isn’t a factor. At this point I just view each project on its own whether not I get excited for it. If it’s another Transatlantic or NMB release I’ll be interested; if it’s another Winery Dogs album I’m less excited, and if it’s Flying Colors or Sons of Apollo I’ll be absolutely apathetic. I don’t think it’s really hurt him that much.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on November 12, 2019, 10:32:38 PM
We went so far off-topic talking about his comment that we've come full circle & started talking about his music again. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: PetFish on November 12, 2019, 10:34:51 PM
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.

No kidding.  Just cuz people *can* say whatever they want doesn't mean they *should*.  It's way easier to go through life telling everyone to "fuck off" than it is to adjust yourself to your surroundings.

And, seriously, just shut the fuck up, MP, you have a tattoo that says "no regrets" but that's a pretty selfish way of thinking to constantly justify all the shitty things you say.  Anyone who truly says they have no regrets is full of shit.  I don't regret my meal choice for lunch today but there are numerous things I'd like to have done differently throughout my life.

I wonder if/when JP/JR, or maybe the already have, take MP aside and suggest/tell him to grow the fuck up and stop trashing our James or anyone/anything else DT does.  Sometimes you gotta give tough love and ultimatums to people acting like MP does.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on November 12, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
Not to pile on the guy, but this line jumped out to me:
Quote from: Mike Portnoy
It's been over nine years and I've got dozens of different bands and projects. I've put out literally 40 albums since that time. Even DREAM THEATER — and I'm not saying this to [criticize] them — but even they have only put out four albums since I've been gone.

Yeah, but 4 albums in 9 years is nothing to balk at and one of those 4 was a sprawling, dense double concept album. 4 albums and 4 major tours is pretty good, especially for an older band. I know he didn't mean anything negative by it, but it's a pretty poor comparison. 40 albums, but are all of them good? It's boasting a number that really isn't that impressive, at least not to me. I'll take 4 quality albums over 40 albums that to my ears are a lot of copy/paste/feel rushed. Subjective, I know, but it's what I see.


I always felt bad for A7X because they just lost their drummer and best friend and MP kinda put them in an awkward, unfair spot. He did a lot of great things for them, recording and filling in for The Rev, but the whole Fall 2010 thing was really shitty for them to have to go through. I remember that Zakky Vengeance interview from that winter where I sensed a lot of frustration from him on how the whole MP thing happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on November 12, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.

No kidding.  Just cuz people *can* say whatever they want doesn't mean they *should*.  It's way easier to go through life telling everyone to "fuck off" than it is to adjust yourself to your surroundings.

I agree. I really want to post an obligatory PetDICK!!! post now, but it doesn't mean that I should. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 12, 2019, 11:15:19 PM
Lol ooof. Today is clearly Poop on Portnoy Day.

“His ‘No Regrets’ tattoo is stoopid”
“The 12-Step Suite is overrated”
“His 12-Step Suite lyrics are hypocritical cause he’s a meanie”
“He makes too many damn albums”
“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”
“I haven’t felt compelled to post on this forum for years! F-YOU PORTNOY!”
“I just feel bad for A7X”

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time. Thankfully, with all his projects he doesn’t have any spare time.

I also have on good scientific authority every time he does the RLKK pattern a honey bee dies. His Shattered Fortress tour is solely responsible for the present day bee crisis.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: zappafrank2112 on November 13, 2019, 12:11:07 AM

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time.

*Puppies on acid
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bolsters on November 13, 2019, 12:39:50 AM
Puppies in acid**
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DoctorAction on November 13, 2019, 02:52:22 AM
Great drummer. Me likey his drum thumpz.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 13, 2019, 05:05:46 AM
Wait...

Portnoy left Dream Theater?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 13, 2019, 06:36:34 AM
Not to pile on the guy, but this line jumped out to me:
Quote from: Mike Portnoy
It's been over nine years and I've got dozens of different bands and projects. I've put out literally 40 albums since that time. Even DREAM THEATER — and I'm not saying this to [criticize] them — but even they have only put out four albums since I've been gone.

Yeah, but 4 albums in 9 years is nothing to balk at and one of those 4 was a sprawling, dense double concept album. 4 albums and 4 major tours is pretty good, especially for an older band. I know he didn't mean anything negative by it, but it's a pretty poor comparison. 40 albums, but are all of them good? It's boasting a number that really isn't that impressive, at least not to me. I'll take 4 quality albums over 40 albums that to my ears are a lot of copy/paste/feel rushed. Subjective, I know, but it's what I see.




...and A7X, the band he was speaking to when he said that quote, has released two albums since Nightmare. So....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 06:44:43 AM
Lol ooof. Today is clearly Poop on Portnoy Day.

“His ‘No Regrets’ tattoo is stoopid”
“The 12-Step Suite is overrated”
“His 12-Step Suite lyrics are hypocritical cause he’s a meanie”
“He makes too many damn albums”
“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”
“I haven’t felt compelled to post on this forum for years! F-YOU PORTNOY!”
“I just feel bad for A7X”

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time. Thankfully, with all his projects he doesn’t have any spare time.

I also have on good scientific authority every time he does the RLKK pattern a honey bee dies. His Shattered Fortress tour is solely responsible for the present day bee crisis.

Nobody said any of those things.  Look, if you love the guy so much that you can't take seeing honest criticism of his actual actions, I don't know what to tell you.  But making up fake straw man arguments that nobody is making just completely undermines your argument.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 13, 2019, 07:37:10 AM
Lol ooof. Today is clearly Poop on Portnoy Day.

“His ‘No Regrets’ tattoo is stoopid”
“The 12-Step Suite is overrated”
“His 12-Step Suite lyrics are hypocritical cause he’s a meanie”
“He makes too many damn albums”
“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”
“I haven’t felt compelled to post on this forum for years! F-YOU PORTNOY!”
“I just feel bad for A7X”

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time. Thankfully, with all his projects he doesn’t have any spare time.

I also have on good scientific authority every time he does the RLKK pattern a honey bee dies. His Shattered Fortress tour is solely responsible for the present day bee crisis.

Nobody said any of those things.  Look, if you love the guy so much that you can't take seeing honest criticism of his actual actions, I don't know what to tell you.  But making up fake straw man arguments that nobody is making just completely undermines your argument.

What do you mean nobody said any of those things? A couple of those are NEARLY direct quotes (some of them are in the Mike Portnoy thread going on in the main DT section). Some of them are meant to be a bit exaggerated/summarizations. That post is less of an argument and more an observation, meant to be facetious.  Look, I know he is NOT popular around here, and I’ve made criticisms of his personal actions numerous times, and most of the negativity here is completely justifiable. But once we start calling his tattoos “selfish” or questioning the lyrical hypocrisy of the 12-Step Suite when (most of us) have never even met the man, I’m going to raise my hand and speak up and say, hey, to me, that crosses a line. Anyway, that’s all I have to say about that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2019, 07:41:26 AM
Hmmm, sounds like someone crossed the crooked step...:P :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 13, 2019, 07:45:50 AM
Lol ooof. Today is clearly Poop on Portnoy Day.

“His ‘No Regrets’ tattoo is stoopid”
“The 12-Step Suite is overrated”
“His 12-Step Suite lyrics are hypocritical cause he’s a meanie”
“He makes too many damn albums”
“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”
“I haven’t felt compelled to post on this forum for years! F-YOU PORTNOY!”
“I just feel bad for A7X”

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time. Thankfully, with all his projects he doesn’t have any spare time.

I also have on good scientific authority every time he does the RLKK pattern a honey bee dies. His Shattered Fortress tour is solely responsible for the present day bee crisis.

Nobody said any of those things.  Look, if you love the guy so much that you can't take seeing honest criticism of his actual actions, I don't know what to tell you.  But making up fake straw man arguments that nobody is making just completely undermines your argument.

To add to bosk’s response: you’re clearly not comfortable debating this with us, so why bother? It’s ok if you think we’re all being unfair to Portnoy and you feel the urge to come out and defend him, but the moment you start going like “YOU’RE ALL WRONG! STOP IT!” it basically removes all the weight of your arguments. If you feel like you want to hear other people say how mean we’re being to the great MP and talk about his great deeds, his social media is a better place to be.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2019, 07:46:53 AM
I think you left out while this is tiring as a fan we still follow his music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SeRoX on November 13, 2019, 08:00:36 AM
Doubt it but I wonder if Petrucci (since they are *somewhat* close again.) calls Portnoy and say: Stop that and make public apology or something like that. Highly unlikely but who knows.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 13, 2019, 08:03:08 AM
Lol ooof. Today is clearly Poop on Portnoy Day.

“His ‘No Regrets’ tattoo is stoopid”
“The 12-Step Suite is overrated”
“His 12-Step Suite lyrics are hypocritical cause he’s a meanie”
“He makes too many damn albums”
“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”
“I haven’t felt compelled to post on this forum for years! F-YOU PORTNOY!”
“I just feel bad for A7X”

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time. Thankfully, with all his projects he doesn’t have any spare time.

I also have on good scientific authority every time he does the RLKK pattern a honey bee dies. His Shattered Fortress tour is solely responsible for the present day bee crisis.

Nobody said any of those things.  Look, if you love the guy so much that you can't take seeing honest criticism of his actual actions, I don't know what to tell you.  But making up fake straw man arguments that nobody is making just completely undermines your argument.

To add to bosk’s response: you’re clearly not comfortable debating this with us, so why bother? It’s ok if you think we’re all being unfair to Portnoy and you feel the urge to come out and defend him, but the moment you start going like “YOU’RE ALL WRONG! STOP IT!” it basically removes all the weight of your arguments. If you feel like you want to hear other people say how mean we’re being to the great MP and talk about his great deeds, his social media is a better place to be.

Haha he never said "you're all wrong stop it".     He's facetiously pointing out the hypocrisy of this board as people just come on here and bash the guy for making a comment bashing a guy.  Portnoy probably hates Labrie... if you ask me, a tiny little tongue in cheek comment where he may or may not have known he was on the air shows restraint. 

Does anybody know anything about the personal relationship of Portnoy and Labrie.... maybe Labrie was a huge dick to Portnoy....

I love Labrie and Portnoy but i'm not about to dump on a legend that brought us I&W and SFAM for making a stupid comment that may or may not have been a joke.   


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 13, 2019, 08:07:58 AM
"Ya'll are being hypocrites bashing on Mike Portnoy. I'm not about to dump on MP. Also, maybe JLB was a huge dick, idk"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2019, 08:09:51 AM
Does anybody know anything about the personal relationship of Portnoy and Labrie.... maybe Labrie was a huge dick to Portnoy....

Maybe. But since James never makes these kind of comments about him, he still comes out on top.

I remember a forumer joked that for all we know JLB calls him every night taunting him about his absence from DT or whatever but since we don't know about it, we just see James taking the high road. We can't say the same about Mike.

And I agree that he made a comment in jest and he was not spitting hatred and fuming from his ears, but still, as pointed out time and time again: he should know better by now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 13, 2019, 08:12:37 AM
Lol ooof. Today is clearly Poop on Portnoy Day.

“His ‘No Regrets’ tattoo is stoopid”
“The 12-Step Suite is overrated”
“His 12-Step Suite lyrics are hypocritical cause he’s a meanie”
“He makes too many damn albums”
“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”
“I haven’t felt compelled to post on this forum for years! F-YOU PORTNOY!”
“I just feel bad for A7X”

I’ll join in;

I heard he likes to drown little puppies in his spare time. Thankfully, with all his projects he doesn’t have any spare time.

I also have on good scientific authority every time he does the RLKK pattern a honey bee dies. His Shattered Fortress tour is solely responsible for the present day bee crisis.

Nobody said any of those things.  Look, if you love the guy so much that you can't take seeing honest criticism of his actual actions, I don't know what to tell you.  But making up fake straw man arguments that nobody is making just completely undermines your argument.

To add to bosk’s response: you’re clearly not comfortable debating this with us, so why bother? It’s ok if you think we’re all being unfair to Portnoy and you feel the urge to come out and defend him, but the moment you start going like “YOU’RE ALL WRONG! STOP IT!” it basically removes all the weight of your arguments. If you feel like you want to hear other people say how mean we’re being to the great MP and talk about his great deeds, his social media is a better place to be.

Where did I say you were ALL wrong? I'm not uncomfortable discussing any of this (although yes, I agree defending Portnoy on DTF right after his comments about LaBrie is an exercise in futility...or stupidity). I'm not even arguing anything at this point. It was just a comment on the state of the forum how Portnoy has turned into a bit of whipping boy the past couple of days, laced with a bit of humor, that appears to have NOT gone over well lol.

Chill people
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2019, 08:12:48 AM
if you ask me, a tiny little tongue in cheek comment where he may or may not have known he was on the air shows restraint. 

 :rollin

ok
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lovethedrake on November 13, 2019, 08:21:49 AM
"Ya'll are being hypocrites bashing on Mike Portnoy. I'm not about to dump on MP. Also, maybe JLB was a huge dick, idk"

Yeah.... the point being that nobody knows anything about this.  I didn't say Labrie was a dick... I'm saying I have no clue.  I love Labrie because I love his musical talent, I have no idea what he does in his personal life.

However, rather than give a legend in Portnoy the benefit of the doubt, you all just insult him.   To me, it's bizarre how much people bash Portnoy on this site.   

You are all free to do as you please.... just seems strange to me as the guy was such a huge part of a band you all love.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
The benefit of doubt ship sailed away a long time ago. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 08:28:03 AM
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.

No kidding.  Just cuz people *can* say whatever they want doesn't mean they *should*.  It's way easier to go through life telling everyone to "fuck off" than it is to adjust yourself to your surroundings.


And yet there are pages and pages here of people metaphorically telling Mike to "fuck off" (I absolutely believe that not buying Mike's art because of things he says in the press is a metaphorical "fuck off") and utterly failing to adjust themselves to the "surroundings" (i.e. that Mike is as Mike does, and that this is between Mike and James).   

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 13, 2019, 08:36:42 AM
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.

No kidding.  Just cuz people *can* say whatever they want doesn't mean they *should*.  It's way easier to go through life telling everyone to "fuck off" than it is to adjust yourself to your surroundings.


And yet there are pages and pages here of people metaphorically telling Mike to "fuck off" (I absolutely believe that not buying Mike's art because of things he says in the press is a metaphorical "fuck off") and utterly failing to adjust themselves to the "surroundings" (i.e. that Mike is as Mike does, and that this is between Mike and James).   

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

Uhhh, hold up. I refused to buy Psychotic Symphony because of the way Derek and Mike were talking about DT and self-fellating their egos. Has nothing to do with me thinking "fuck off", it's a refusal to buy someone's art because I find their behavior and rhetoric distasteful. You can associate that with "fuck off" if you want, but that's not my perception. Just because Mike and James have personal or private beef does NOT mean I can't make the decision to not financially support MP's work if I find their behavior distasteful, and I don't think that equates to a metaphorical "fuck off." Hell with all the albums I still have to purchase this year, that behavior just diminishes my desire to spend money on MP's work. It's not spiteful, it's a matter of prioritizing where my money goes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2019, 08:40:25 AM
No one is saying he doesn't have the RIGHT to say whatever he wants.

It's just disheartening and disappointing that THIS is what the fuck he wants to say.

It's known as manners and civility.  Grow up, MP.

No kidding.  Just cuz people *can* say whatever they want doesn't mean they *should*.  It's way easier to go through life telling everyone to "fuck off" than it is to adjust yourself to your surroundings.


And yet there are pages and pages here of people metaphorically telling Mike to "fuck off" (I absolutely believe that not buying Mike's art because of things he says in the press is a metaphorical "fuck off") and utterly failing to adjust themselves to the "surroundings" (i.e. that Mike is as Mike does, and that this is between Mike and James).   

Pot.  Kettle.  Black.

Come on, that's an awfully big assumption to make (not buying something because of comments = fuck off)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 13, 2019, 08:42:12 AM
Stadler, come on.  It's not between Mike and James.  If it was, we wouldn't know anything about it, because the two of them would be talking/not talking, working it out/ignoring each other/beating each other up between themselves and we wouldn't know anything about it.

Instead, Mike's bringing it to all of us.  So he better be prepared for the consequences.  For some fans, the consequences might be "yeah, right on, I never liked LaBrie, you rule Mike".  But for others, it could be "I'm tired of your behavior and it makes me enjoy your art less.". Or "I still enjoy your art, but I'm tired of your behavior.". Etc etc etc.

If one doesn't want people commenting on something they say in public, they shouldn't say it in public.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on November 13, 2019, 09:03:41 AM

“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”

But this is true. There is no evidence that he can properly write songs without the help of a composer. And that is not a problem.
The problem (at least for me) is that much of the public is sure that he is a modern Beethoven.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 09:04:54 AM
You can make the decision for any reason you want; I have no beef with that at all.  I have myself (No thanks, Amob! Metal Allegiance! Winery Dogs!).   I'm not referring to any one person here, but as a general proposition, there ARE people here who HAVE said "I won't buy his music because he's a dick".   

I actually have no fundamental disagreement with the naysayers; I've already said that "we don't know" means they very well may be right.  Mike very well could have purposefully been jabbing directly at James.  And someone like Bosk clearly knows more about this than I do, so I'm loathe to argue with him.  I just object to the weight of the speculation and judgment.  There's a lot of pretty hard core psychoanalysis being done here, and I just find that uncomfortable to watch.  And some of the commentary (not necessarily here) is just flat out mean.  It reminds me of when he initially left, and the initial hate storm that ensued (especially at one particular site, not here).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 09:10:03 AM
He’s a rock n roll drummer

And this makes him exempt from criticism...why again?  ???

Look, I know he is NOT popular around here...

What are you even talking about?  He is incredibly popular here--probably moreso than any online community outside of his own social media.

You can make the decision for any reason you want; I have no beef with that at all.  I have myself (No thanks, Amob! Metal Allegiance! Winery Dogs!).   I'm not referring to any one person here, but as a general proposition, there ARE people here who HAVE said "I won't buy his music because he's a dick".   

I actually have no fundamental disagreement with the naysayers; I've already said that "we don't know" means they very well may be right.  Mike very well could have purposefully been jabbing directly at James.  And someone like Bosk clearly knows more about this than I do, so I'm loathe to argue with him.  I just object to the weight of the speculation and judgment.  There's a lot of pretty hard core psychoanalysis being done here, and I just find that uncomfortable to watch.  And some of the commentary (not necessarily here) is just flat out mean.  It reminds me of when he initially left, and the initial hate storm that ensued (especially at one particular site, not here).

Honest, open criticism of his specific words and/or actions isn't hate, bashing, or psychoanalysis.  I think you are being too sensitive to someone you are a fan of and are not viewing things objectively.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 13, 2019, 09:10:13 AM
You can make the decision for any reason you want; I have no beef with that at all.  I have myself (No thanks, Amob! Metal Allegiance! Winery Dogs!).   I'm not referring to any one person here, but as a general proposition, there ARE people here who HAVE said "I won't buy his music because he's a dick".   


But how does that equate to 'fuck off'? I think MP can be churlish towards DT and James LaBrie, so I don't want to support him. Big leap to go from that to 'fuck off', which actually contains some vehemence and animosity.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 09:14:14 AM
You can make the decision for any reason you want; I have no beef with that at all.  I have myself (No thanks, Amob! Metal Allegiance! Winery Dogs!).   I'm not referring to any one person here, but as a general proposition, there ARE people here who HAVE said "I won't buy his music because he's a dick".   


But how does that equate to 'fuck off'? I think MP can be churlish towards DT and James LaBrie, so I don't want to support him. Big leap to go from that to 'fuck off', which actually contains some vehemence and animosity.

Well said.  (I've been agreeing with you a LOT in this thread)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 13, 2019, 09:15:16 AM
You can make the decision for any reason you want; I have no beef with that at all.  I have myself (No thanks, Amob! Metal Allegiance! Winery Dogs!).   I'm not referring to any one person here, but as a general proposition, there ARE people here who HAVE said "I won't buy his music because he's a dick".   


But how does that equate to 'fuck off'? I think MP can be churlish towards DT and James LaBrie, so I don't want to support him. Big leap to go from that to 'fuck off', which actually contains some vehemence and animosity.

Well said.  (I've been agreeing with you a LOT in this thread)

 :hifive:

The end times are surely upon us.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 09:26:04 AM
Stadler, come on.  It's not between Mike and James.  If it was, we wouldn't know anything about it, because the two of them would be talking/not talking, working it out/ignoring each other/beating each other up between themselves and we wouldn't know anything about it.

Instead, Mike's bringing it to all of us.  So he better be prepared for the consequences.  For some fans, the consequences might be "yeah, right on, I never liked LaBrie, you rule Mike".  But for others, it could be "I'm tired of your behavior and it makes me enjoy your art less.". Or "I still enjoy your art, but I'm tired of your behavior.". Etc etc etc.

If one doesn't want people commenting on something they say in public, they shouldn't say it in public.

Well, from the P/R forums, you should know my response already. That someone does something that might have consequences doesn't mean that ALL consequences are justified. I'm not a fan of the "I'm entitled because they did so-and-so" argument.  It's part of my overall beef with social media; thirty years ago, we'd know about none of this and in my opinion, we were better for it.  If you personally decide that what someone's supposed mindset is fair game to deciding whether to follow them or not, so be it.  That's your prerogative.   But admit it and own it, don't try to sell it; don't hide behind the "well HE did it first!"  It doesn't sound that much more mature than some of us are claiming Mike is. 

This is no different than what I deal with as a Kiss fan.  Every couple months there's an interview where Paul and/or Gene are throwing Peter and/or Ace under the bus for drugs they might have taken back in 1976.   And yet there is CLEARLY more going on behind the scenes than we know, because while Peter is off on an island somewhere, Ace and Gene appear together frequently (Ace fired his band and took Gene's as his own), Gene is all over Ace's new solo album, and Paul was on the one before.  You might wish it didn't happen, but it does, and you move on or not. 

And I'm forced to ask:  with all the so-called bonhamie between Jordan and John and Mike, if what Mike is saying is SO egregious, why isn't there more acknowledgement on that level?   

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 09:28:10 AM
Nobody (or almost nobody) said it was "SO egregious."  Again, it seems to be you and a couple of others overreacting and being incredibly defensive about some very mild criticism.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2019, 09:29:00 AM

“He needs to stop saying he “writes” songs, he’s just an arranger/lyricist”

But this is true. There is no evidence that he can properly write songs without the help of a composer. And that is not a problem.
The problem (at least for me) is that much of the public is sure that he is a modern Beethoven.

I have actually seen quite a few fans on social media refer to Morse/Portnoy as the modern day Lennon/McCartney, which makes me :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin every single time.  McCartney, Lennon and Morse are/were all prolific and great songwriters who you could put in a room by themselves for a week and they'd come out with tons of great tunes all ready to go.  Portnoy, not so much.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 13, 2019, 09:29:47 AM
Nobody (or almost nobody) said it was "SO egregious."  Again, it seems to be you and a couple of others overreacting and being incredibly defensive about some very mild criticism.

Look, if you want to beef over Trump with Stadler, keep it back in the P/R forum. Oh wait...   :biggrin: :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 09:34:20 AM
Wait, what?  ???  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 13, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
 :rollin


God I love this shit....leave it to yet another bout of diarrhea of the mouth from MP to get some solid pointless banter rolling here. Pure entertainment. :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2019, 09:57:01 AM
:rollin


God I love this shit....leave it to yet another bout of diarrhea of the mouth from MP to get some solid pointless banter rolling here. Pure entertainment. :corn

Can't deny that  :lol  At least MP provides endless entertainment in some form
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 13, 2019, 09:59:05 AM
Stadler, come on.  It's not between Mike and James.  If it was, we wouldn't know anything about it, because the two of them would be talking/not talking, working it out/ignoring each other/beating each other up between themselves and we wouldn't know anything about it.

Instead, Mike's bringing it to all of us.  So he better be prepared for the consequences.  For some fans, the consequences might be "yeah, right on, I never liked LaBrie, you rule Mike".  But for others, it could be "I'm tired of your behavior and it makes me enjoy your art less.". Or "I still enjoy your art, but I'm tired of your behavior.". Etc etc etc.

If one doesn't want people commenting on something they say in public, they shouldn't say it in public.

Well, from the P/R forums, you should know my response already. That someone does something that might have consequences doesn't mean that ALL consequences are justified. I'm not a fan of the "I'm entitled because they did so-and-so" argument.  It's part of my overall beef with social media; thirty years ago, we'd know about none of this and in my opinion, we were better for it.  If you personally decide that what someone's supposed mindset is fair game to deciding whether to follow them or not, so be it.  That's your prerogative.   But admit it and own it, don't try to sell it; don't hide behind the "well HE did it first!"  It doesn't sound that much more mature than some of us are claiming Mike is.
I'm not sure I'm really following here...  Entitled to what?  Entitled to call him names? No.  Entitled to send him hate mail? No.  Entitled to show up at his door and bother his wife?  No.  Entitled to not buy his albums?  Absolutely.  Entitled to post about not liking his behavior?  Absolutely.   

As far as social media goes - it's not necessarily true that we'd know none of this without it.  Maybe we'd just have to wait to read about it in music magazines, but at the end of the day an interview is still an interview.  Mike apparently wants us to know about these things, otherwise he wouldn't say it. 

As for "he did it first" - yeah, that's immature if you're comparing apples to apples.  If any of us were slinging mud, it would be uncool.  But you seem to be equating not buying his albums as the immature response.  It's not.  Or commenting about not liking his behavior.  It's not. 
If you want to talk about entitlement, he's not entitled to keep his fanbase for all eternity.  He worked hard for that fanbase and deserved the recognition he got, but he was also lucky to have so many fans. (Not in a bad way - I say the same about the rest of DT).  But just because someone is a fan, doesn't mean they will be for life.  Doesn't mean they have to buy his work for the rest of eternity or they're telling him to f off.  If his behavior is putting people off, he can continue as he has been and continue to lose some fans, or change his behavior.  It's his choice.


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And I'm forced to ask:  with all the so-called bonhamie between Jordan and John and Mike, if what Mike is saying is SO egregious, why isn't there more acknowledgement on that level?

Maybe they don't want to engage.  Most fans are happy that they don't - why join the fray?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on November 13, 2019, 10:07:25 AM

I have actually seen quite a few fans on social media refer to Morse/Portnoy as the modern day Lennon/McCartney, which makes me :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin every single time.  McCartney, Lennon and Morse are/were all prolific and great songwriters who you could put in a room by themselves for a week and they'd come out with tons of great tunes all ready to go.  Portnoy, not so much.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 13, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
Good grief.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
I'm not sure I'm really following here...  Entitled to what?  Entitled to call him names? No.  Entitled to send him hate mail? No.  Entitled to show up at his door and bother his wife?  No.  Entitled to not buy his albums?  Absolutely.  Entitled to post about not liking his behavior?  Absolutely.

Well, nominally, yes, but when the latter bleeds in to the former... it's one thing to comment "I don't like that", but there's a fair amount that goes beyond that.  A LOT of psychoanalysis talking about his thoughts and feelings, his perception of self-worth, his intents and his desires.   I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't think putting your art out there entitles others to have free reign to make unsubstantiated suppositions about your mental state. And at face value, it just seems so arbitrary that the opinion that "I don't care for the vocals in my band" seemingly opens Mike up to a complete psych eval, but the opinion "And I couldn't be happier with the path I've been on since that experience with [A7X]". is seemingly ignored, called a lie, or called delusional.         

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As far as social media goes - it's not necessarily true that we'd know none of this without it.  Maybe we'd just have to wait to read about it in music magazines, but at the end of the day an interview is still an interview.  Mike apparently wants us to know about these things, otherwise he wouldn't say it.

Fair enough; you're right.  I think it does fan the flames though.  We knew Viv Campbell hated Dio and vice-versa from Kerrang! but it wasn't a big deal.   

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As for "he did it first" - yeah, that's immature if you're comparing apples to apples.  If any of us were slinging mud, it would be uncool.  But you seem to be equating not buying his albums as the immature response.  It's not.  Or commenting about not liking his behavior.  It's not. 
If you want to talk about entitlement, he's not entitled to keep his fanbase for all eternity.  He worked hard for that fanbase and deserved the recognition he got, but he was also lucky to have so many fans. (Not in a bad way - I say the same about the rest of DT).  But just because someone is a fan, doesn't mean they will be for life.  Doesn't mean they have to buy his work for the rest of eternity or they're telling him to f off.  If his behavior is putting people off, he can continue as he has been and continue to lose some fans, or change his behavior.  It's his choice.

You'd have zero argument from me if it was limited to "i don't like his response" and a quiet disregard for his art. I don't at all think he's entitled to any part of his fanbase. I've bailed on certain things myself, for various reasons.  No criticism of that, but for some of those here, it's well beyond that.  Not everyone, but some.

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And I'm forced to ask:  with all the so-called bonhamie between Jordan and John and Mike, if what Mike is saying is SO egregious, why isn't there more acknowledgement on that level?

Maybe they don't want to engage.  Most fans are happy that they don't - why join the fray?

But don't they have more invested in it?   If it's not enough to spur them into action - presumably to support their "colleague" - doesn't that provide some standard as to the appropriateness of others' reactions?  If James and John are taking the high road for their (non) reaction, what does that say for the pages and pages of reactions here?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
And for the record, lumping Mike in with Lennon/McCartney is ludicrous on every level, and that's no disrespect to Mike.  I love Neal Morse, but honestly, I think even having him in the conversation is a stretch. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
Can we stop with people trying to call "psychoanalysis" foul? (Sorry Stads, not just you.)

What are people supposed to do on a message board, and a thread, dedicated to a famous musician who can't stop putting his foot in his mouth? Just smile and nod? People examine what is said, what happens, and draw their own conclusions as to things. And there is nothing wrong with that -- AT ALL. There is nothing I've personally posted in this thread about MP that I wouldn't (if he felt so inclined, and no, I don't think he ever would) sit down and ask him if given the opportunity.

It's called speculation, and trying to understand the situation. And that's the very point of a message board. MP speaks, we talk about it, try to understand why he does and says things, and then come to our own conclusions about it.

I am sure, at home, off tour, on a Tuesday night, Mike Portnoy is just the same middle age old fart (with a few more toys) like the rest of us. But he's a famous old fart with tons of fans -- fans that actually give a shit about his music, his career, and his life (all of us fit into that in some manner). Why is trying to figure out his motivations something taboo among some of you? Stads, I'm lookin' at you, kid. And a few others. LOL.

It is the very point (well, one among many) of message boards.

*edited to fix a spelling error.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
   I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't think putting your art out there entitles others to have free reign to make unsubstantiated suppositions about your mental state. 

Mike Portnoy has talked about his mental state (his alleged OCD) in public many times, and even wrote lyrics about it (Constant Motion), so once he puts it out there, it is natural for the public to react and talk about it.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
Forming an opinion about this is fine.  Forming an opinion that is different, or even diametrically opposed is fine too.
Forming an opinion, judging, criticizing, others about their opinion on this can be fine too......if it is done with respect....but it still starts to creep into the territory of Tending Someone Else's Garden.
Certain people who espouse the Garden Doctrine, should be more aware when they start tilling someone else's cabbage.

I dont have a lot of emotional investment in Mike Portnoy.  I personally like his drumming better than Mangini, and the Portnoy era of DT is my favorite.
However, watching the video, Mike acted like a douche.  People act like douches all the time, and say things out loud before the brain can filter it.
I wont go so far as to say it was purely malicious, but people tend to speak truth when they make off hand jokes.  He said it as a joke because he is an attention whore, but there was truth in it, as in something Mike really believes.  He got caught on a hot mic, and has to live with that.  I think the VOLUMES of evidence in his comments over the years supports that conclusion.Can we know what was in his head 100%?  No, but I think the video and past behavior supports this position beyond a reasonable doubt.

JMO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 12:17:27 PM
Can we stop with people trying to call "psychoanalysis" foul?

Yeah, I've been trying to say that for a few pages now, but couldn't manage to quite find the words.  But that captures it perfectly.  Granted, there is a line where it becomes inappropriate.  And that's for me or the mods to step in, if we determine it has gone too far.  The vast majority of posts have been just fine in that regard.  There's no need to "call foul" and try to shut down discussion just because you don't like where the discussion is going.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 12:26:33 PM
Can we stop with people trying to call "psychoanalysis" foul? (Sorry Stads, not just you.)

No offense taken; it's a legit point (even if I respectfully disagree with it). 

EDIT:  I just read Bosk's post, and to be clear, I'm not trying to "shut down" conversation.  And any interpretation that speculates I'm telling anyone what do to or how to do it is flat out wrong.  I think it's far more appropriate to say that I'm just trying to inject a component into the conversation that considers the sensitivity of speculating on a third party's mental state, or at the very least leaves the door open to the fact that the speculation may be incomplete or wrong.  Saying "it's my opinion" doesn't excuse people from being insensitive or inaccurate.  People are (or can be) complicated, and may (or may not) be consistent or rational in their statements or feelings.  Someone implied in a previous post (might be another thread here) that Mike was a "hypocrite" based on his actions in light of the words of the 12-Step Suite, yet I'm pretty sure the majority of people here have at least one interaction or involvement with Mike that does comport with humility and kindness. I know I have, and I've only met him once for a matter of minutes.

If no one wants to talk about that, so be it.  I'm not going to lose a minute's sleep over that, and amazingly, we'll probably find out that life goes on. 

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What are people supposed to do on a message board, and a thread, dedicated to a famous musician who can't stop putting his foot in his mouth? Just smile and nod? People examine what is said, what happens, and draw their own conclusions as to things. And there is nothing wrong with that -- AT ALL. There is nothing I've personally posted in this thread about MP that I wouldn't (if he felt so inclined, and no, I don't think he ever would) sit down and ask him if given the opportunity.

It's called speculation, and trying to understand the situation. And that's the very point of a message board. MP speaks, we talk about it, try to understand why he does and says things, and then come to our own conclusions about it.

I am sure, at home, off tour, on a Tuesday night, Mike Portnoy is just the same middle age old fart (with a few more toys) like the rest of us. But he's a famous old fart with tons of fans -- fans that actually give a shit about his music, his career, and his life (all of us fit into that in some manner). Why is trying to figure out his motivations something taboo among some of you? Stads, I'm lookin' at you, kid. And a few others. LOL.

It is the very point (well, once among many) of message boards.

It's a hard point to make in any general way, but to me there's a line there somewhere.  And I think the premise isn't about "speculation" as much as it is reciprocity.  Mike is taking guff for, in simplified manner, his negative opinions regarding the performance of a person in his (former) band.  I'm just struggling to understand how his (negative) opinion, based on one or more performances that said singer may have given, and conversations that NONE of us were privy to between the two is negative (childish, immature, etc.) but our (negative) opinions, based on speculation, innuendo and admittedly incomplete information, is beyond reproach?

More specific to your comment, I don't classify some of the statements I'm reacting to as "trying to figure out his motivations"; there are some statements here that leave little doubt that there's no "figuring" intended.  If it was just "figuring out", I don't think I would have posted.

I get that message boards are speculative in nature, and believe me, I love that part of it as much as the next guy.   But when we're talking about a specific human being aren't there boundaries?  Aren't there limits?  Especially toward someone that I know for a fact some of you would walk up to, shake hands and accept that signed poster from?  We're doing a lot to criticize his decorum, manners, and Where do our obligations for same begin?  Or don't they? 

These are honest questions; I'm not making a rhetorical point here, and I'm not trying to be overly critical; many of you (most? I hope?) are my friends and none of this is personal, and I've already said that I don't actually disagree with all of the substantive points here.  I'm just throwing out the idea that there may be boundaries to the "consequences" that we mentioned above.   I'm not perfect, but I try not to do it in the P/R threads, and I think the same thing applies here.   Maybe it's a matter of semantics, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 13, 2019, 12:39:56 PM
He's not a complete piece of shit with no redeeming qualities.

But in this instance, he fucked up.  And it's just the latest in a long line of similar fuckups.  To the extent that he is no longer granted the benefit of the doubt which I might extend to someone else without said history.  And it definitely does speak to what I would call a character flaw of occasionally being a mannerless fuck, at the very least.

But that's all.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 12:47:23 PM
It's a hard point to make, but to me there's a line there somewhere.  And I think the premise isn't about "speculation" as much as it is reciprocity.  Mike is taking guff for, in simplified manner, his negative opinions regarding the performance of a person in his (former) band.  I'm just struggling to understand how his (negative) opinion, based on one or more performances that said singer may have given, and conversations that NONE of us were privy to between the two is negative (childish, immature, etc.) but our (negative) opinions, based on speculation, innuendo and admittedly incomplete information, is beyond reproach?

No, Mike is NOT taking "guff" for his opinion of JLB.  He is taking "guff" because he shared this opinion in PUBLIC in a douchey manner.  BIG difference.
And also, no one is saying anyone's opinion is beyond approach.

I get that message boards are speculative in nature, and believe me, I love that part of it as much as the next guy.   But when we're talking about a specific human being aren't there boundaries?  Aren't there limits?  Especially toward someone that I know for a fact some of you would walk up to, shake hands and accept that signed poster from?  We're doing a lot to criticize his decorum, manners, and Where do our obligations for same begin?  Or don't they?  (Honest questions; I'm not making a rhetorical point here). 

Mike being a gracious person in person to a fan is wholly separate from him trashing a former band mate, in public, in a douchey manner.  And it isn't the first time...its a pattern, and he deserves to e called out for that behavior.  He can also be applauded for signing a drum head for a fan.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Look, I'm not trying to be overly critical here; many of you (most? I hope?) are my friends and none of this is personal, and I've already said that I don't actually disagree with all of the substantive points here.  I just don't think there are no boundaries to the "consequences" that we mentioned above.   I'm no more perfect than the next guy, but I try not to do it in the P/R threads, and I think the same thing applies here.   Maybe it's a matter of semantics, I don't know.

No one is saying there are no boundaries, and no one has suggested such.  That appears to be only an argument you are having with yourself hypothetically.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
He's not a complete piece of shit with no redeeming qualities.

But in this instance, he fucked up.  And it's just the latest in a long line of similar fuckups.  To the extent that he is no longer granted the benefit of the doubt which I might extend to someone else without said history.  And it definitely does speak to what I would call a character flaw of occasionally being a mannerless fuck, at the very least.

But that's all.

Hef, you don't really know me, but I was lurking back as far as 6DOIT, and I'm pretty sure it was a different board.  I don't always agree with you...well most of the time I do....but I must say I truly LOVE how you get your point across so effectively in such short and concise posts.

You are my favorite on DTF.org.

Sorry Bosk.....you ban me too much so you can't be my favorite.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 13, 2019, 12:53:45 PM
Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 12:56:40 PM
It's a hard point to make, but to me there's a line there somewhere.  And I think the premise isn't about "speculation" as much as it is reciprocity.  Mike is taking guff for, in simplified manner, his negative opinions regarding the performance of a person in his (former) band.  I'm just struggling to understand how his (negative) opinion, based on one or more performances that said singer may have given, and conversations that NONE of us were privy to between the two is negative (childish, immature, etc.) but our (negative) opinions, based on speculation, innuendo and admittedly incomplete information, is beyond reproach?

No, Mike is NOT taking "guff" for his opinion of JLB.  He is taking "guff" because he shared this opinion in PUBLIC in a douchey manner.  BIG difference.
And also, no one is saying anyone's opinion is beyond approach.

I get that message boards are speculative in nature, and believe me, I love that part of it as much as the next guy.   But when we're talking about a specific human being aren't there boundaries?  Aren't there limits?  Especially toward someone that I know for a fact some of you would walk up to, shake hands and accept that signed poster from?  We're doing a lot to criticize his decorum, manners, and Where do our obligations for same begin?  Or don't they?  (Honest questions; I'm not making a rhetorical point here). 

Mike being a gracious person in person to a fan is wholly separate from him trashing a former band mate, in public, in a douchey manner.  And it isn't the first time...its a pattern, and he deserves to e called out for that behavior.  He can also be applauded for signing a drum head for a fan.  They are not mutually exclusive.

Look, I'm not trying to be overly critical here; many of you (most? I hope?) are my friends and none of this is personal, and I've already said that I don't actually disagree with all of the substantive points here.  I just don't think there are no boundaries to the "consequences" that we mentioned above.   I'm no more perfect than the next guy, but I try not to do it in the P/R threads, and I think the same thing applies here.   Maybe it's a matter of semantics, I don't know.

No one is saying there are no boundaries, and no one has suggested such.  That appears to be only an argument you are having with yourself hypothetically.

Exactly.  And the point about his VERY redeeming, endearing qualities not being mutually exclusive from strong opinions about when he crosses a line is a VERY good one.  A large number of people who have expressed disappointment when he does something like this are the same people that have praised him for all the really, REALLY cool things he has done (and continues to do).  Everybody says they go the extra mile for people.  Mike Portnoy proves it.  Repeatedly.  And nobody can ever take that away from him.  But that doesn't mean he is above reproach when he steps in it, and he has stepped in it so often that he has alienated a lot of fans.

Sorry Bosk.....you ban me too much so you can't be my favorite.

Eh...no offense taken?  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 12:58:48 PM
Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...

Hell, I eat the powder out da pouch Brah.  Drinking Hef-Aid is for lightweights.  Soon I will cooking it on a spoon and mainlining it.




Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...

Hell, I eat the powder out da pouch Brah.  Drinking Hef-Aid is for lightweights.  Soon I will cooking it on a spoon and mainlining it.

Then you are almost ready to be inducted into our sacred order.  Almost...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on November 13, 2019, 01:17:59 PM
Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...

Hell, I eat the powder out da pouch Brah.  Drinking Hef-Aid is for lightweights.  Soon I will cooking it on a spoon and mainlining it.

 :rollin


My man :hearts:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 01:21:09 PM
Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...

Hell, I eat the powder out da pouch Brah.  Drinking Hef-Aid is for lightweights.  Soon I will cooking it on a spoon and mainlining it.

 :rollin

My man :hearts:

Back at ya....from a 20 yr veteran of front and back of the house (full & part time).  Hell, I still do catering gigs about 5-10 times a year with my old Chef/Restaurant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 13, 2019, 01:30:35 PM
I'm not sure I'm really following here...  Entitled to what?  Entitled to call him names? No.  Entitled to send him hate mail? No.  Entitled to show up at his door and bother his wife?  No.  Entitled to not buy his albums?  Absolutely.  Entitled to post about not liking his behavior?  Absolutely.

Well, nominally, yes, but when the latter bleeds in to the former... it's one thing to comment "I don't like that", but there's a fair amount that goes beyond that.  A LOT of psychoanalysis talking about his thoughts and feelings, his perception of self-worth, his intents and his desires.   I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't think putting your art out there entitles others to have free reign to make unsubstantiated suppositions about your mental state. And at face value, it just seems so arbitrary that the opinion that "I don't care for the vocals in my band" seemingly opens Mike up to a complete psych eval, but the opinion "And I couldn't be happier with the path I've been on since that experience with [A7X]". is seemingly ignored, called a lie, or called delusional.
Well - I don't think putting your art entitles others, but making comments about your thoughts/feelings on a subject kind of does.  And for what it's worth, I don't think the psychoanalysis is a "consequence" that he "deserves" to have happen - I think that's just part of human nature.  I've read a lot of psychoanalysis of Neil Peart for example, and I think it makes sense because of what he's said/written about his feelings and his fan interactions, etc.  It's just natural that people try to read between lines, try to "figure him out" so to speak.  Maybe it's none of our business, but then he (Neil, MP, whoever) is putting it out there so it's only natural for us to talk about that and speculate and posit this and that and agree and disagree with each other's interpretations.
 It's not necessarily a bad thing, although in Mike's case, if someone actually said he's delusional, I guess that's kind of a bad thing.  I don't recall anyone really doing so.  I feel like a lot of this is directed at Samsara's post and when I read it, I'll admit that I thought "there's a lot of assumptions in there."  But, without having just reread it, I don't think Samsara was presenting any of it as fact; just speculation.



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As for "he did it first" - yeah, that's immature if you're comparing apples to apples.  If any of us were slinging mud, it would be uncool.  But you seem to be equating not buying his albums as the immature response.  It's not.  Or commenting about not liking his behavior.  It's not. 
If you want to talk about entitlement, he's not entitled to keep his fanbase for all eternity.  He worked hard for that fanbase and deserved the recognition he got, but he was also lucky to have so many fans. (Not in a bad way - I say the same about the rest of DT).  But just because someone is a fan, doesn't mean they will be for life.  Doesn't mean they have to buy his work for the rest of eternity or they're telling him to f off.  If his behavior is putting people off, he can continue as he has been and continue to lose some fans, or change his behavior.  It's his choice.

You'd have zero argument from me if it was limited to "i don't like his response" and a quiet disregard for his art. I don't at all think he's entitled to any part of his fanbase. I've bailed on certain things myself, for various reasons.  No criticism of that, but for some of those here, it's well beyond that.  Not everyone, but some.
I think we're kind of on the same page.  I really take exception to the idea that not buying his music is telling him to F off.   I don't think what most have posted here crosses any sort of line.  But if people were to engage in harassment and things like that, then yeah, I think it would be overboard.

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Maybe they don't want to engage.  Most fans are happy that they don't - why join the fray?

But don't they have more invested in it?   If it's not enough to spur them into action - presumably to support their "colleague" - doesn't that provide some standard as to the appropriateness of others' reactions?  If James and John are taking the high road for their (non) reaction, what does that say for the pages and pages of reactions here?

It doesn't say anything.  This is a fan forum, and fans discuss things.  it's part of the nature of being fans.  It's two totally different things.  What good would come of them being "spurred into action?"  Probably not much.  Maybe they have more invested in it, but maybe they think the best thing to do is ignore it and keep being positive.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2019, 01:31:22 PM
Meeting Hef in person is even better.  It really is.


Anytime you bash someone publicly not about the type of person he or she is but talk in a negative fashion about a person it's not very tactful.  It opens up debate on your comments.  I think it was worse when he publicly criticized James vocals when you're in the band.  Those are for private, locker room moments.  not publicly for all to see.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 13, 2019, 01:46:37 PM
Can we stop with people trying to call "psychoanalysis" foul? (Sorry Stads, not just you.)

No offense taken; it's a legit point (even if I respectfully disagree with it). 

EDIT:  I just read Bosk's post, and to be clear, I'm not trying to "shut down" conversation.  And any interpretation that speculates I'm telling anyone what do to or how to do it is flat out wrong.  I think it's far more appropriate to say that I'm just trying to inject a component into the conversation that considers the sensitivity of speculating on a third party's mental state, or at the very least leaves the door open to the fact that the speculation may be incomplete or wrong.  Saying "it's my opinion" doesn't excuse people from being insensitive or inaccurate.  People are (or can be) complicated, and may (or may not) be consistent or rational in their statements or feelings.  Someone implied in a previous post (might be another thread here) that Mike was a "hypocrite" based on his actions in light of the words of the 12-Step Suite, yet I'm pretty sure the majority of people here have at least one interaction or involvement with Mike that does comport with humility and kindness. I know I have, and I've only met him once for a matter of minutes.

If no one wants to talk about that, so be it.  I'm not going to lose a minute's sleep over that, and amazingly, we'll probably find out that life goes on. 

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What are people supposed to do on a message board, and a thread, dedicated to a famous musician who can't stop putting his foot in his mouth? Just smile and nod? People examine what is said, what happens, and draw their own conclusions as to things. And there is nothing wrong with that -- AT ALL. There is nothing I've personally posted in this thread about MP that I wouldn't (if he felt so inclined, and no, I don't think he ever would) sit down and ask him if given the opportunity.

It's called speculation, and trying to understand the situation. And that's the very point of a message board. MP speaks, we talk about it, try to understand why he does and says things, and then come to our own conclusions about it.

I am sure, at home, off tour, on a Tuesday night, Mike Portnoy is just the same middle age old fart (with a few more toys) like the rest of us. But he's a famous old fart with tons of fans -- fans that actually give a shit about his music, his career, and his life (all of us fit into that in some manner). Why is trying to figure out his motivations something taboo among some of you? Stads, I'm lookin' at you, kid. And a few others. LOL.

It is the very point (well, once among many) of message boards.

It's a hard point to make in any general way, but to me there's a line there somewhere.  And I think the premise isn't about "speculation" as much as it is reciprocity.  Mike is taking guff for, in simplified manner, his negative opinions regarding the performance of a person in his (former) band.  I'm just struggling to understand how his (negative) opinion, based on one or more performances that said singer may have given, and conversations that NONE of us were privy to between the two is negative (childish, immature, etc.) but our (negative) opinions, based on speculation, innuendo and admittedly incomplete information, is beyond reproach?

More specific to your comment, I don't classify some of the statements I'm reacting to as "trying to figure out his motivations"; there are some statements here that leave little doubt that there's no "figuring" intended.  If it was just "figuring out", I don't think I would have posted.

I get that message boards are speculative in nature, and believe me, I love that part of it as much as the next guy.   But when we're talking about a specific human being aren't there boundaries?  Aren't there limits?  Especially toward someone that I know for a fact some of you would walk up to, shake hands and accept that signed poster from?  We're doing a lot to criticize his decorum, manners, and Where do our obligations for same begin?  Or don't they? 

These are honest questions; I'm not making a rhetorical point here, and I'm not trying to be overly critical; many of you (most? I hope?) are my friends and none of this is personal, and I've already said that I don't actually disagree with all of the substantive points here.  I'm just throwing out the idea that there may be boundaries to the "consequences" that we mentioned above.   I'm not perfect, but I try not to do it in the P/R threads, and I think the same thing applies here.   Maybe it's a matter of semantics, I don't know.

For what it's worth, I'm with you Stadler. I think everyone has the right to post their feelings about Portnoy, and MOST of the negativity is justified, because Portnoy does, indeed, say stupid things. But I can't help saying something when I see reactions get a bit overblown or...ugly, for lack of a better word.

Maybe it's because we're KISS fans, where members will write ENTIRE books dedicated burying their former bandmates.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
For what it's worth, I'm with you Stadler. I think everyone has the right to post their feelings about Portnoy, and MOST of the negativity is justified, because Portnoy does, indeed, say stupid things. But I can't help saying something when I see reactions get a bit overblown or...ugly, for lack of a better word.

Well, now see, I can't really disagree with ANYTHING in that post.

Maybe it's because we're KISS fans

You know, I just knew there was something off-kilter about you, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what it is before this post.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Northern Lion on November 13, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
This whole thing has been very interesting and entertaining to read.

Here's my take:  I became a fan just after Mike left so I don't have as much invested in him as maybe some others.  I'm not sure what Mike meant by what he said, but it sure sounded like a dis if taken at face value.

Before I became a member of DTF I lurked a lot, including during the time right after Mike left and the new Mike joined.  It seems to me that MP may have a little (or a lot) of narcisism.  Considering he does struggle with OCD, maybe narcisism goes part and parcel?

I worked with a lady a couple of years ago that was a narcisist (in the real sense) and she had to have control over everything including the direction discussions went in meetings.  She was a headache for everyone who had to work with her.

But at the same time, I knew she couldn't help it and I felt sorry for her.  I kind of feel the same way about Mike.

I'm not saying this should excuse his behavior at all, but at least for me, it helps me understand why he behaves the way he does.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2019, 01:53:13 PM
Hey, you back off of KISS fans bub1. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
This whole thing has been very interesting and entertaining to read.

Here's my take:  I became a fan just after Mike left so I don't have as much invested in him as maybe some others.  I'm not sure what Mike meant by what he said, but it sure sounded like a dis if taken at face value.

Before I became a member of DTF I lurked a lot, including during the time right after Mike left and the new Mike joined.  It seems to me that MP may have a little (or a lot) of narcisism.  Considering he does struggle with OCD, maybe narcisism goes part and parcel?

I worked with a lady a couple of years ago that was a narcisist (in the real sense) and she had to have control over everything including the direction discussions went in meetings.  She was a headache for everyone who had to work with her.

But at the same time, I knew she couldn't help it and I felt sorry for her.  I kind of feel the same way about Mike.

I'm not saying this should excuse his behavior at all, but at least for me, it helps me understand why he behaves the way he does.

That's interesting.


And I bolded the part about how I think the band also felt. Bosk says that "calling his bluff" is not accurate, but I do feel there's a part of them that felt relieved.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 13, 2019, 01:57:15 PM
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Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 02:00:40 PM
This whole thing has been very interesting and entertaining to read.

Here's my take:  I became a fan just after Mike left so I don't have as much invested in him as maybe some others.  I'm not sure what Mike meant by what he said, but it sure sounded like a dis if taken at face value.

Before I became a member of DTF I lurked a lot, including during the time right after Mike left and the new Mike joined.  It seems to me that MP may have a little (or a lot) of narcisism.  Considering he does struggle with OCD, maybe narcisism goes part and parcel?

I worked with a lady a couple of years ago that was a narcisist (in the real sense) and she had to have control over everything including the direction discussions went in meetings.  She was a headache for everyone who had to work with her.

But at the same time, I knew she couldn't help it and I felt sorry for her.  I kind of feel the same way about Mike.

I'm not saying this should excuse his behavior at all, but at least for me, it helps me understand why he behaves the way he does.

That's interesting.


And I bolded the part about how I think the band also felt. Bosk says that "calling his bluff" is not accurate, but I do feel there's a part of them that felt relieved.

Similar to many divorces one would think.  There is still love, respect, history....but also a sense of relief when its over, cause it aint' workin'.

Don't know personally from experience, but I will ask my wife when she has finally had enough of me, and get back with you.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 13, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
On a note unrelated to "Brazilgate";

I finally sat down and listened to the new Flying Colors release today at work. Haven't been a fan of their work in the past, just seemed very generic/forgettable, like a watered down version of Transatlantic, but I'm really digging "Third Degree". Sonically, the album sounds great. Vocals and Portnoy's drums, specifically. Such a good snare sound, natural and punchy, but not too forward in the mix. Arguably his most balanced sound (at least in a long long time). His playing is relatively tasteful here too.

I would rank this very very high on the post-DT Portnoy albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 13, 2019, 04:08:27 PM
We have a saying in Sweden "Klart som korvspad", you can google it but basically I think it's pretty clear that MP miss being in DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on November 13, 2019, 07:16:02 PM
And for the record, lumping Mike in with Lennon/McCartney is ludicrous on every level, and that's no disrespect to Mike.  I love Neal Morse, but honestly, I think even having him in the conversation is a stretch.

Of course, I don't disagree. But at least NM is really a songwriter.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Northern Lion on November 13, 2019, 08:35:59 PM
This whole thing has been very interesting and entertaining to read.

Here's my take:  I became a fan just after Mike left so I don't have as much invested in him as maybe some others.  I'm not sure what Mike meant by what he said, but it sure sounded like a dis if taken at face value.

Before I became a member of DTF I lurked a lot, including during the time right after Mike left and the new Mike joined.  It seems to me that MP may have a little (or a lot) of narcisism.  Considering he does struggle with OCD, maybe narcisism goes part and parcel?

I worked with a lady a couple of years ago that was a narcisist (in the real sense) and she had to have control over everything including the direction discussions went in meetings.  She was a headache for everyone who had to work with her.

But at the same time, I knew she couldn't help it and I felt sorry for her.  I kind of feel the same way about Mike.

I'm not saying this should excuse his behavior at all, but at least for me, it helps me understand why he behaves the way he does.

That's interesting.


And I bolded the part about how I think the band also felt. Bosk says that "calling his bluff" is not accurate, but I do feel there's a part of them that felt relieved.

Similar to many divorces one would think.  There is still love, respect, history....but also a sense of relief when its over, cause it aint' workin'.

Don't know personally from experience, but I will ask my wife when she has finally had enough of me, and get back with you.

I think you're probably right. However I hope it doesn't happen to you though :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 13, 2019, 08:49:16 PM
This whole thing has been very interesting and entertaining to read.

Here's my take:  I became a fan just after Mike left so I don't have as much invested in him as maybe some others.  I'm not sure what Mike meant by what he said, but it sure sounded like a dis if taken at face value.

Before I became a member of DTF I lurked a lot, including during the time right after Mike left and the new Mike joined.  It seems to me that MP may have a little (or a lot) of narcisism.  Considering he does struggle with OCD, maybe narcisism goes part and parcel?

I worked with a lady a couple of years ago that was a narcisist (in the real sense) and she had to have control over everything including the direction discussions went in meetings.  She was a headache for everyone who had to work with her.

But at the same time, I knew she couldn't help it and I felt sorry for her.  I kind of feel the same way about Mike.

I'm not saying this should excuse his behavior at all, but at least for me, it helps me understand why he behaves the way he does.

That's interesting.


And I bolded the part about how I think the band also felt. Bosk says that "calling his bluff" is not accurate, but I do feel there's a part of them that felt relieved.

Similar to many divorces one would think.  There is still love, respect, history....but also a sense of relief when its over, cause it aint' workin'.

Don't know personally from experience, but I will ask my wife when she has finally had enough of me, and get back with you.

I think you're probably right. However I hope it doesn't happen to you though :)

LOL Thanks Man....me too :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 13, 2019, 08:49:34 PM
On a note unrelated to "Brazilgate";

I finally sat down and listened to the new Flying Colors release today at work. Haven't been a fan of their work in the past, just seemed very generic/forgettable, like a watered down version of Transatlantic, but I'm really digging "Third Degree". Sonically, the album sounds great. Vocals and Portnoy's drums, specifically. Such a good snare sound, natural and punchy, but not too forward in the mix. Arguably his most balanced sound (at least in a long long time). His playing is relatively tasteful here too.

I would rank this very very high on the post-DT Portnoy albums.

While you could argue that there are albums where his drums are too high in the mix, I think most of us would agree that he always does a great job of getting his drums to sound great on record.  I never come away from an album where he plays the drums and think, "I wish the drums sounded better."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 13, 2019, 09:12:04 PM
On a note unrelated to "Brazilgate";

I finally sat down and listened to the new Flying Colors release today at work. Haven't been a fan of their work in the past, just seemed very generic/forgettable, like a watered down version of Transatlantic, but I'm really digging "Third Degree". Sonically, the album sounds great. Vocals and Portnoy's drums, specifically. Such a good snare sound, natural and punchy, but not too forward in the mix. Arguably his most balanced sound (at least in a long long time). His playing is relatively tasteful here too.

I would rank this very very high on the post-DT Portnoy albums.

While you could argue that there are albums where his drums are too high in the mix, I think most of us would agree that he always does a great job of getting his drums to sound great on record.  I never come away from an album where he plays the drums and think, "I wish the drums sounded better."

Sure. I didn’t mean to imply he’s sounded bad in the past (besides, maybe being mixed a bit too hot here and there). On the contrary, MP consistently gets a nice natural sound compared to a lot of modern metal/prog drum sounds (and I’m not just picking on Mangini era DT, here). And I think he sounds ESPECIALLY good on this album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on November 13, 2019, 09:38:12 PM
We have a saying in Sweden "Klart som korvspad"

Is that one of the new Opeth songs? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on November 13, 2019, 11:51:02 PM
We have a saying in Sweden "Klart som korvspad"

Is that one of the new Opeth songs? :neverusethis:

Don't think so... it does not have an "Usch!" in it  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on November 14, 2019, 06:58:39 AM
On a note unrelated to "Brazilgate";

I finally sat down and listened to the new Flying Colors release today at work. Haven't been a fan of their work in the past, just seemed very generic/forgettable, like a watered down version of Transatlantic, but I'm really digging "Third Degree". Sonically, the album sounds great. Vocals and Portnoy's drums, specifically. Such a good snare sound, natural and punchy, but not too forward in the mix. Arguably his most balanced sound (at least in a long long time). His playing is relatively tasteful here too.

I would rank this very very high on the post-DT Portnoy albums.

While you could argue that there are albums where his drums are too high in the mix, I think most of us would agree that he always does a great job of getting his drums to sound great on record.  I never come away from an album where he plays the drums and think, "I wish the drums sounded better."

It's true. As a rule, it always sound great (except in I&W, but not MP's fault).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2019, 07:57:35 AM
Hef, you don't really know me, but I was lurking back as far as 6DOIT, and I'm pretty sure it was a different board.  I don't always agree with you...well most of the time I do....but I must say I truly LOVE how you get your point across so effectively in such short and concise posts.

Strunk & White, Rule 13.  Omit needless words.
 
"Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell."


You are my favorite on DTF.org.

Sorry Bosk.....you ban me too much so you can't be my favorite.
*blushes*  Thanks, pal.

Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...
Likewise.   ;D

Seems someone else has been drinking that hefdaddy42 Kool aid.... And it's so delicious...

Hell, I eat the powder out da pouch Brah.  Drinking Hef-Aid is for lightweights.  Soon I will cooking it on a spoon and mainlining it.

Then you are almost ready to be inducted into our sacred order.  Almost...
:angel:

Meeting Hef in person is even better.  It really is.
:djhef:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 14, 2019, 04:19:01 PM
We have a saying in Sweden "Klart som korvspad"

Is that one of the new Opeth songs? :neverusethis:
:lol It very well could be.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 14, 2019, 09:24:06 PM
On a note unrelated to "Brazilgate";

I finally sat down and listened to the new Flying Colors release today at work. Haven't been a fan of their work in the past, just seemed very generic/forgettable, like a watered down version of Transatlantic, but I'm really digging "Third Degree". Sonically, the album sounds great. Vocals and Portnoy's drums, specifically. Such a good snare sound, natural and punchy, but not too forward in the mix. Arguably his most balanced sound (at least in a long long time). His playing is relatively tasteful here too.

I would rank this very very high on the post-DT Portnoy albums.

While you could argue that there are albums where his drums are too high in the mix, I think most of us would agree that he always does a great job of getting his drums to sound great on record.  I never come away from an album where he plays the drums and think, "I wish the drums sounded better."
Agreed. MP and the people who have recorded him have really good grasp of how studio and live drums should sound. Incredible sound in almost every single release he's done.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: noxon on November 15, 2019, 04:07:19 AM
These people are only human, and to hold them to a standard higher than we hold other people seems a bit unfair. Sometimes they say the wrong thing, that can be interpreted certain ways. It's not necessarily their full and whole intention or meaning, and it can be hard to communicate the right thing when everything you do become soundbites to be taken out of context.

I know for a fact that MP tries VERY hard to stay away from the drama. I've witnessed it myself in my own interactions with him. Obviously the split itself was hard (and no, the full story of what went on during the split isn't public knowledge), but part of the problem is people are still going on about it a decade later. And bringing it up at every corner. And sometimes words slip out, or you hear something wrong (which i think was the case here) and you respond in a way that may be interpreted in a way worse way than you actually intended.

If MP hated James that much, would he go on a tour that essentially just copied what James did a short year previous? Obviously there are some unresolved issues, and some friendly and not so friendly jabs, but I think the whole "hate" situation is way overblown. Obviously I can't go into detail as it would betray personal trust, but in my experience this is more like a falling out between friends, where there's still a fair share of mutual respect but also some unresolved resentment which colors the relationship still. But the main gist I've gotten from both camps is nothing but love and respect.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Northern Lion on November 15, 2019, 07:13:57 AM
These people are only human, and to hold them to a standard higher than we hold other people seems a bit unfair. Sometimes they say the wrong thing, that can be interpreted certain ways. It's not necessarily their full and whole intention or meaning, and it can be hard to communicate the right thing when everything you do become soundbites to be taken out of context.

I know for a fact that MP tries VERY hard to stay away from the drama. I've witnessed it myself in my own interactions with him. Obviously the split itself was hard (and no, the full story of what went on during the split isn't public knowledge), but part of the problem is people are still going on about it a decade later. And bringing it up at every corner. And sometimes words slip out, or you hear something wrong (which i think was the case here) and you respond in a way that may be interpreted in a way worse way than you actually intended.

If MP hated James that much, would he go on a tour that essentially just copied what James did a short year previous? Obviously there are some unresolved issues, and some friendly and not so friendly jabs, but I think the whole "hate" situation is way overblown. Obviously I can't go into detail as it would betray personal trust, but in my experience this is more like a falling out between friends, where there's still a fair share of mutual respect but also some unresolved resentment which colors the relationship still. But the main gist I've gotten from both camps is nothing but love and respect.

Very cool, thanks for your insight Noxon.  Could you elaborate on the bolded part a little?  I'm not on the up and up in regards to touring.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2019, 07:38:12 AM
I've heard/read tibits about Portnoy and Myung getting into it over something family-related, as well as a rumor that Petrucci and Rudess were receptive to bringing him back a few years ago, but that JLB was very vocally against it, which could explain why Portnoy has such animosity towards him now.  Obviously, those here in-the-know cannot betray confidences by confirming anything, and who knows how true any of the above is, but I think it's been clear for a while that we've never gotten the full story.   And we probably never will.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 15, 2019, 07:40:40 AM
a rumor that Petrucci and Rudess were receptive to bringing him back a few years ago, but that JLB was very vocally against it, which could explain why Portnoy has such animosity towards him now. 

Wow, I've never heard that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Northern Lion on November 15, 2019, 08:06:28 AM
a rumor that Petrucci and Rudess were receptive to bringing him back a few years ago, but that JLB was very vocally against it, which could explain why Portnoy has such animosity towards him now. 

Wow, I've never heard that.

I knew they both were working to repair their relationship with him (which is very admirable) but I never heard anything like that either.  In fact I thought JP was pretty solid on MM being their drummer for as long as he wanted.  I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2019, 08:12:33 AM
I would put a LOT of emphasis on the word "rumor" in that quote.  Nothing like that has EVER been said by anyone in the band's camp.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bill1971 on November 15, 2019, 08:15:45 AM
I've heard/read tibits about Portnoy and Myung getting into it over something family-related, as well as a rumor that Petrucci and Rudess were receptive to bringing him back a few years ago, but that JLB was very vocally against it, which could explain why Portnoy has such animosity towards him now.  Obviously, those here in-the-know cannot betray confidences by confirming anything, and who knows how true any of the above is, but I think it's been clear for a while that we've never gotten the full story.   And we probably never will.

I hope not to bring him back for good. Maybe as a guest on a few songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 15, 2019, 10:39:48 AM
These people are only human, and to hold them to a standard higher than we hold other people seems a bit unfair. Sometimes they say the wrong thing, that can be interpreted certain ways. It's not necessarily their full and whole intention or meaning, and it can be hard to communicate the right thing when everything you do become soundbites to be taken out of context.

I know for a fact that MP tries VERY hard to stay away from the drama. I've witnessed it myself in my own interactions with him. Obviously the split itself was hard (and no, the full story of what went on during the split isn't public knowledge), but part of the problem is people are still going on about it a decade later. And bringing it up at every corner. And sometimes words slip out, or you hear something wrong (which i think was the case here) and you respond in a way that may be interpreted in a way worse way than you actually intended.

If MP hated James that much, would he go on a tour that essentially just copied what James did a short year previous? Obviously there are some unresolved issues, and some friendly and not so friendly jabs, but I think the whole "hate" situation is way overblown. Obviously I can't go into detail as it would betray personal trust, but in my experience this is more like a falling out between friends, where there's still a fair share of mutual respect but also some unresolved resentment which colors the relationship still. But the main gist I've gotten from both camps is nothing but love and respect.

Very cool, thanks for your insight Noxon.  Could you elaborate on the bolded part a little?  I'm not on the up and up in regards to touring.

I think Noxon is talking about the shos that James did with Noturnal in Brazil and now MP has done the shows with them too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 15, 2019, 11:02:11 AM
But Noxon - we are, or speaking for myself, I am, holding him to the same standard as other people.  If anything I've given him a pass a lot more often than I would other people because I am, or at least was, a fan.  If people hear something wrong or words slip out or whatever, you clarify or you apologize. You don't blame it all on blabbermouth or the fans. You certainly don't let the whole SoA thing happen the way it did.  And it's not just one of two "slip ups" - it's consistent.  It also seems to happen more often when he's about to release something or announce something..  I don't know that I think he's saying stuff to get attention (the no press is bad press angle), but I guess I do think it's a possibility. 

Either way, yes, people are human, but people who make honest mistakes apologize and try to not keep doing it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 15, 2019, 12:34:08 PM
(and no, the full story of what went on during the split isn't public knowledge)

A fact which, if true (even in part) renders most of the assertions to be just speculation, and have to be taken as such (that is, that they are likely wrong in whole or in part). 

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Obviously there are some unresolved issues, and some friendly and not so friendly jabs, but I think the whole "hate" situation is way overblown. Obviously I can't go into detail as it would betray personal trust, but in my experience this is more like a falling out between friends, where there's still a fair share of mutual respect but also some unresolved resentment which colors the relationship still. But the main gist I've gotten from both camps is nothing but love and respect.

Which tells me that statements like "will NEVER" are hyperbolic.  The Black Crowes are now on tour together, after both Rich and Chris said, on multiple occasions, that they will NEVER even SPEAK to each other again.  I don't really have a dog in the hunt of the members' personal lives, but it seems to me that if the stars aligned, the first step - requirement - would be to have a sit-down and resolve those unresolved issues.   Even if they don't "get the band back together", it might assuage some of what we perceive as drama.   

And by the way, it doesn't require that everyone be life-long friends again; that's sort of a fan pipe dream to begin with.  There are plenty of bands that are cohesive on stage but are acquaintances off.  Even the mighty Iron Maiden, who all seem to be easy-going, friendly guys, tend to scatter when the band is not in full flight. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 15, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
These people are only human, and to hold them to a standard higher than we hold other people seems a bit unfair. Sometimes they say the wrong thing, that can be interpreted certain ways. It's not necessarily their full and whole intention or meaning, and it can be hard to communicate the right thing when everything you do become soundbites to be taken out of context.

I know for a fact that MP tries VERY hard to stay away from the drama. I've witnessed it myself in my own interactions with him.
He probably does try very hard, but then the other DT guys must be trying even harder, because they are also humans held to a high standard and they never said a word out of step about MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 15, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
These people are only human, and to hold them to a standard higher than we hold other people seems a bit unfair. Sometimes they say the wrong thing, that can be interpreted certain ways. It's not necessarily their full and whole intention or meaning, and it can be hard to communicate the right thing when everything you do become soundbites to be taken out of context.

I know for a fact that MP tries VERY hard to stay away from the drama. I've witnessed it myself in my own interactions with him.
He probably does try very hard, but then the other DT guys must be trying even harder, because they are also humans held to a high standard and they never said a word out of step about MP.

To be fair; While I don’t watch every interview these days from what I’ve seen, DT probably doesn’t get asked about Portnoy all the time. Portnoy on the other hand seems to be asked constantly about DT and LTE. Try as he might DT will always be in the conversation about Portnoy, not necessarily true vice versa.

And while DT has kept it classy and has never been “out of line”, I remember in the early days of 2011/2012 of the split JLB made a lot of comments like “oooh we are the best we’ve ever been, things are soooo smooth now, so free, so relax, much wow” etc etc.
Now a lot of that is probably true and, partly, hyping the latest record. But I could see where that sort of thing could have rubbed Portnoy the wrong way, and where he might consider that a bit of a well disguised jab.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
Absolutely James did that.  That was a year removed. We are still hearing Mike take jabs 8 years later.

That's why people lose it. He still is stoking flames. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2019, 03:31:49 PM
That's why people lose it.
I don't think people shaking their heads and commenting that he is out of line is "losing it."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 15, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
Absolutely James did that.  That was a year removed. We are still hearing Mike take jabs 8 years later.

That's why people lose it. He still is stoking flames.

And that’s totally fair. I only bring it up in response to some who say there’s never been any negativity on the DT side or they’ve all been angelic since day one. Relative to Portnoy? Yes, absolutely. But I think JLB got some satisfaction in twisting the knife just a bit in those early days, albeit in a less obvious, smarter, more political way.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2019, 04:10:53 PM
There is definitely something between those 2. 

Well I heard the new SOA song. Good, not mindblowing.   Only one spin though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2019, 04:11:47 PM
Put it on for a second listen.

Fell asleep. Might’ve been unrelated but still.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 15, 2019, 04:19:18 PM
James did what? The most antagonistic bit in any of the big interviews that year was this one, when he responds to being called "the undisputed frontman of Dream Theater": "we, the guys in the band, we were talking about that everything is much more balanced, everybody is in their role or in their position. So it’s where things should be on stage, where it’s not somebody in the background trying to grab the limelight when maybe they should just be grooving or whatever. But I mean, that’s just Mike’s character, that’s just his personality. He’s big and he wants to be in the limelight. But unfortunately the problem with that is that it takes away from the bigger picture – and that is the band as a unit. And a lot of people have been commenting on that since we started out on this tour, saying „it feels more like I’m watching a band, with somebody up front singing and interacting, everybody else just back there and (makes drumming and guitar playing gestures). Everyone kind of assumes what they’re doing. And then there’s always moments in the night when there is the spotlight on these other members and it should be. But it creates more a balance. And we were talking about this, we were saying „you know, this is really cool“ – it feels like a unit. So it’s a lot better."

It's the only time* he's comparing a specific aspect of DT before and DT now and saying categorically that something about DT now is better and that there was a problem with something before, and explaining why that is. He wasn't calling MP annoying, liking comments that say MP sucks, saying that he had a bad personal relationship with him, saying that there was a time when he wanted MP to be replaces, and all that. So no, it doesn't compare.

*I can do a more comprehensive media analysis over the weekend, if anyone wants to see that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2019, 04:20:09 PM
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 15, 2019, 04:28:54 PM
James did what? The most antagonistic bit in any of the big interviews that year was this one, when he responds to being called "the undisputed frontman of Dream Theater": "we, the guys in the band, we were talking about that everything is much more balanced, everybody is in their role or in their position. So it’s where things should be on stage, where it’s not somebody in the background trying to grab the limelight when maybe they should just be grooving or whatever. But I mean, that’s just Mike’s character, that’s just his personality. He’s big and he wants to be in the limelight. But unfortunately the problem with that is that it takes away from the bigger picture – and that is the band as a unit. And a lot of people have been commenting on that since we started out on this tour, saying „it feels more like I’m watching a band, with somebody up front singing and interacting, everybody else just back there and (makes drumming and guitar playing gestures). Everyone kind of assumes what they’re doing. And then there’s always moments in the night when there is the spotlight on these other members and it should be. But it creates more a balance. And we were talking about this, we were saying „you know, this is really cool“ – it feels like a unit. So it’s a lot better."

It's the only time* he's comparing a specific aspect of DT before and DT now and saying categorically that something about DT now is better and that there was a problem with something before, and explaining why that is. He wasn't calling MP annoying, liking comments that say MP sucks, saying that he had a bad personal relationship with him, saying that there was a time when he wanted MP to be replaces, and all that. So no, it doesn't compare.

*I can do a more comprehensive media analysis over the weekend, if anyone wants to see that.

Exactly! I'm tired of people saying, "Well James did it too!" which in anyone's wildest imagination was nowhere equal to the shots Portnoy took...and took...and took.

JLB: The band is much more balanced now
*MP goes on a facebook "liking" spree of comments saying James sucks*


Some weird fans opinion: "Dear god, JLB is just as bad, if not WORSE than Mike. For shame! How dare!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
Here's the difference.   James apologized saying it was taken out of context.   I remember it distinctly.  Never said another bad word so it was a blip compared to MP and the apology lessens what he said. 

It's ok to admit there were issues between the 2.  99% on Mike's side.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 15, 2019, 04:42:57 PM
Here's the difference.   James apologized saying it was taken out of context.   I remember it distinctly.  Never said another bad word so it was a blip compared to MP and the apology lessens what he said. 

It's ok to admit there were issues between the 2.  99% on Mike's side.

James has also spoken highly of Mike's time in the band and shared some funny anecdotes. I think Mike hasn't even referred to James by name since the split either referring to him as "the singer" or "the Canadian"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2019, 04:48:17 PM
💯

For sure. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 15, 2019, 04:53:48 PM
James did what? The most antagonistic bit in any of the big interviews that year was this one, when he responds to being called "the undisputed frontman of Dream Theater": "we, the guys in the band, we were talking about that everything is much more balanced, everybody is in their role or in their position. So it’s where things should be on stage, where it’s not somebody in the background trying to grab the limelight when maybe they should just be grooving or whatever. But I mean, that’s just Mike’s character, that’s just his personality. He’s big and he wants to be in the limelight. But unfortunately the problem with that is that it takes away from the bigger picture – and that is the band as a unit. And a lot of people have been commenting on that since we started out on this tour, saying „it feels more like I’m watching a band, with somebody up front singing and interacting, everybody else just back there and (makes drumming and guitar playing gestures). Everyone kind of assumes what they’re doing. And then there’s always moments in the night when there is the spotlight on these other members and it should be. But it creates more a balance. And we were talking about this, we were saying „you know, this is really cool“ – it feels like a unit. So it’s a lot better."

It's the only time* he's comparing a specific aspect of DT before and DT now and saying categorically that something about DT now is better and that there was a problem with something before, and explaining why that is. He wasn't calling MP annoying, liking comments that say MP sucks, saying that he had a bad personal relationship with him, saying that there was a time when he wanted MP to be replaces, and all that. So no, it doesn't compare.

*I can do a more comprehensive media analysis over the weekend, if anyone wants to see that.

That’s not true; here is an interview from 2011 with Full Metal Jackie referencing the writing process of ADoTE

“So, we knew right away that we wanted to make it a unified venture from this moment on so that it wasn’t one person calling the shots; it wasn’t one person taking the responsibilities of the band because that just tends to kind of leave you out in the dark and there can be too many moments that can be somewhat surprising to you. “Oh, I didn’t know we were doing that or I didn’t know that, that was going on or how did this come about.” So knew that we never wanted to be, maybe, in that situation ever again.”

Not exactly antagonistic but definitely comparing new DT to old DT. We know who he is talking about.

And I wouldn’t say it’s necessary for you to spend your weekend doing complete “media analysis” on James LaBrie 2011-2013. I 100% agree with you that his comments aren’t anywhere in the same league of negativity as Portnoy. I repeat, I want to make it clear that I don’t think JLB “did it” too or stooped to the same level as Portnoy. I’m sure I could find some other instances of indirect digs but I don’t really feel like spending my Friday looking for almost decades old articles  :P This was purely my perception at the time, and I concede my perceptions could have been wrong.



Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bill1971 on November 15, 2019, 06:00:52 PM
Here's the difference.   James apologized saying it was taken out of context.   I remember it distinctly.  Never said another bad word so it was a blip compared to MP and the apology lessens what he said. 

It's ok to admit there were issues between the 2.  99% on Mike's side.

James has also spoken highly of Mike's time in the band and shared some funny anecdotes. I think Mike hasn't even referred to James by name since the split either referring to him as "the singer" or "the Canadian"

I don't think he ever mentioned Mangini by name either, other than the new drummer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 15, 2019, 06:33:16 PM
Something I don’t understand during that period when Portnoy split, and the fact that the lineup change moved so quickly (and Portnoy wanted back in) who owns the DT brand? It seems like Portnoy would have had to sell his financial stake to the remaining members (partners)? So it’s odd to me he went through that only to backtrack. Or perhaps there’s something in the contracts that say once you say you’re out, then you are OUT. Since Portnoy has writing credits does he still have participation in publishing of the old music?

An example of this is Dave Ellefson, who owned part of the Megadeth “brand” prior to leaving the group and now is a salaried employee since he rejoined.

Maybe not an appropriate question but the business side of bands have always been fascinating to me, especially when it comes to lineup changes amongst “OG” founding members and the line between “ “owner” and employee.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 15, 2019, 07:15:56 PM
Here's the difference.   James apologized saying it was taken out of context.   I remember it distinctly.  Never said another bad word so it was a blip compared to MP and the apology lessens what he said. 

It's ok to admit there were issues between the 2.  99% on Mike's side.

James has also spoken highly of Mike's time in the band and shared some funny anecdotes. I think Mike hasn't even referred to James by name since the split either referring to him as "the singer" or "the Canadian"

I don't think he ever mentioned Mangini by name either, other than the new drummer.

And let's not forget a few years when he listed the best bass players he has had the fortune to play with and listed nearly all of them, with John Myung being the most obvious glaring one missing.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 15, 2019, 08:14:02 PM
Here's the difference.   James apologized saying it was taken out of context.   I remember it distinctly.  Never said another bad word so it was a blip compared to MP and the apology lessens what he said. 

It's ok to admit there were issues between the 2.  99% on Mike's side.

James has also spoken highly of Mike's time in the band and shared some funny anecdotes. I think Mike hasn't even referred to James by name since the split either referring to him as "the singer" or "the Canadian"

I don't think he ever mentioned Mangini by name either, other than the new drummer.

I remember this too. I read an MP interview where he was talking about DT and “their drummer”. Again, that’s not “bad” by itself, but MP and MM were friends for DECADES and Mangini always talked about Portnoy being a friend and wonderful drummer since he joined DT, so it definitely feels weird/suspicious when MP just refers to him as “their drummer”.

I have to add that there’s a track record of similar things happening and, while we definitely don’t know all that happened behind the scenes, what has been said publicly (which is what we CAN discuss) doesn’t make MP look too classy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on November 15, 2019, 09:40:01 PM
I think it goes without saying, without trying to sound too negative on MP and not make Volante think this place is full of MP haters ( :lol), that all five members of DT have been more intelligent and overall classier than MP in social media and interviews overall regarding the split.

I remember clearly the James thing, and I cannot imagine first of all how it was taken out of context and how that might've upset some people. As much as I loved the MP-era DT, the scales felt (to me, at least) pretty uneven back then with MP being the one to call the shots in so many things. It's easily arguable that that's not always a bad thing and that the rest of the guys were on board with the way things were handled back then, but when James said that things were much balanced back then it's basically a statement of the band feeling more like a band and not have one dominant personality calling most of the shots regarding so many things. That's not a bad thing to say by any means nor it's disrespectful to MP in any way, as far as I see it. DT functioned under MP's direction, and when he left the band found a way to keep things going and that's it. MP, on the other hand, as honest and transparent as he's always tried to be with the media and his fans, has said and done plenty to upset his fanbase. This ongoing conversation is proof of that. I'm sure he's meant no harm whatsoever, but that's the way things are I guess.

True, the MP-DT era gave us so many wonderful things like the official bootlegs, the varied setlists, the documentaries, etc. I'll remember those years and things so dearly and with so much nostalgia, but definitely something about DT these days feels healthier. They all seem so in tune with everything that's going on that I can't help but think that MP was a time bomb. If for any means the split wouldn't have happened in 2010, I think it would've eventually happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 16, 2019, 01:52:05 AM
If for any means the split wouldn't have happened in 2010, I think it would've eventually happened.

Yeah, one of those "alternate history" scenarios for DT would surely contemplate this. "What if Jordan Rudess joined immediately in 1995", "What if they were allowed to do FII as a double album"... "What if MP would have capitulated and would have been talked into sticking with the band and do the 2011 album as originally planned" is surely another intriguing question, considering what could have happened afterwards.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on November 16, 2019, 06:37:12 AM
If for any means the split wouldn't have happened in 2010, I think it would've eventually happened.

Yeah, one of those "alternate history" scenarios for DT would surely contemplate this. "What if Jordan Rudess joined immediately in 1995", "What if they were allowed to do FII as a double album"... "What if MP would have capitulated and would have been talked into sticking with the band and do the 2011 album as originally planned" is surely another intriguing question, considering what could have happened afterwards.

Not that I think OTBOA is Grammy worthy, but they wouldn't have even been nominated if MP was still in the band, based on the direction he was steering them.


You know there would have been a song with Portnoy "growling" the whole time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 16, 2019, 07:25:11 AM
This was purely my perception at the time, and I concede my perceptions could have been wrong.
I don't think we're on the same page here and that's fine. I just don't see any of that as an indirect dig, more of an explanation what was going on before Mike left, that doesn't pass a character judgment on Mike in any way, Mike talked much worse about his own control freak tendencies. I also don't see MP's explanations of how he felt boxed in and how he feels much freer now as a dig, because that doesn't imply DT guys are boring and controlling and boxed in - it's just an explanation and the truth of what was happening. I apologize if I came off too strongly in my post towards you, wasn't my intention.  :heart
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2019, 08:15:23 AM
I think it goes without saying, without trying to sound too negative on MP and not make Volante think this place is full of MP haters ( :lol), that all five members of DT have been more intelligent and overall classier than MP in social media and interviews overall regarding the split.

Take it for what it's worth - i.e. nothing, one man's opinion (who disagrees with you) - but you can SAY you're not trying to be all negative on MP, but it comes through pretty clear.  Now we're questioning his INTELLIGENCE because he didn't react the way you think he should have?  C'mon.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 16, 2019, 08:16:23 AM
Methinks the word they were looking for is 'tactful.'
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2019, 08:23:45 AM
Methinks the word they were looking for is 'tactful.'

Maybe, but he said "intelligent".   We're criticizing Mike for not watching his words carefully enough, but saying whatever comes to mind? I know, I know, celebrity, Twitter, yada yada, but since we're parsing every word and expression that Mike says (and attributing a speculative take at what he meant) I'm not really out of line in taking his words at face value, I don't think.   

Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on November 16, 2019, 08:25:49 AM
Methinks the word they were looking for is 'tactful.'

Maybe, but he said "intelligent".   We're criticizing Mike for not watching his words carefully enough, but saying whatever comes to mind? I know, I know, celebrity, Twitter, yada yada, but since we're parsing every word and expression that Mike says (and attributing a speculative take at what he meant) I'm not really out of line in taking his words at face value, I don't think.   

Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".

Not disagreeing at all. Just saying that's probably what he meant. The irony is not lost on me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 16, 2019, 08:27:58 AM


Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".

I know, right?  It is disappointing that no one in Dream Theater picked up the slack in certain areas like taking passive-aggressive swipes at their own lead singer and writing lyrics that criticize their own fans.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 16, 2019, 10:56:07 AM


Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".

I know, right?  It is disappointing that no one in Dream Theater picked up the slack in certain areas like taking passive-aggressive swipes at their own lead singer and writing lyrics that criticize their own fans.

Haha Touché.

Honestly, I wasn’t a fan of until about 2005 so I feel like I missed a lot of the cool fan stuff. And as a guitarist I’m pretty okay with Petrucci being the new mover and shaker of the band. I’ve gotten over the fact that I’m just not a big fan of Mangini (at least not his playing in this band, I thought he was solid, if unremarkable in Annihilator and Extreme). At this point, as a fan, the only thing I miss is the band’s ability to create a decent hi fi, quality produced, mixed and mastered, good SOUNDING record. For whatever reason, that seems to be a skill that Portnoy took with him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on November 16, 2019, 01:38:44 PM


Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".

I know, right?  It is disappointing that no one in Dream Theater picked up the slack in certain areas like taking passive-aggressive swipes at their own lead singer and writing lyrics that criticize their own fans.

Haha Touché.

Honestly, I wasn’t a fan of until about 2005 so I feel like I missed a lot of the cool fan stuff. And as a guitarist I’m pretty okay with Petrucci being the new mover and shaker of the band. I’ve gotten over the fact that I’m just not a big fan of Mangini (at least not his playing in this band, I thought he was solid, if unremarkable in Annihilator and Extreme). At this point, as a fan, the only thing I miss is the band’s ability to create a decent hi fi, quality produced, mixed and mastered, good SOUNDING record. For whatever reason, that seems to be a skill that Portnoy took with him.

I think SC and BC&SL sound awful in a completely different way. Overly compressed with an overbearing drum sound and low keys. So I wouldn't say MP had any sort of producer's magic touch other than making sure his instrument was in the forefront. The Mangini albums sound pretty weird but at least there's balance and cohesion between the instruments (except the drums on ADToE).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 16, 2019, 02:53:15 PM


Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".

I know, right?  It is disappointing that no one in Dream Theater picked up the slack in certain areas like taking passive-aggressive swipes at their own lead singer and writing lyrics that criticize their own fans.

Look, you either have an interest in being fair or you don't.  We've got pages and pages on the so-called passive-aggressiveness.  The band DID say this in specific response to questions about the rotating setlists, the special sets, the repeated QA's, the at-the-time vibrant personal website, the Ytsejam stuff, the behind the scenes stuff, the DVD bonus features, etc. etc.   Snark all you want, only a small fraction of this was (or is being) done. 

I clearly said it wasn't definitive, but it was a point that had to be acknowledged. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on November 16, 2019, 03:33:17 PM


Oh, and while I'm not at all suggesting that it's "equal", it's only fair to mention the "we're going to pick up the slack and do all the things Mike did" comments, that provably did not happen.  Doesn't change the actions of any one person, but I know for me, the changes were enough to drop DT from "one of the elite" in my "favorite bands" list to just "one of my favorites".

I know, right?  It is disappointing that no one in Dream Theater picked up the slack in certain areas like taking passive-aggressive swipes at their own lead singer and writing lyrics that criticize their own fans.

Haha Touché.

Honestly, I wasn’t a fan of until about 2005 so I feel like I missed a lot of the cool fan stuff. And as a guitarist I’m pretty okay with Petrucci being the new mover and shaker of the band. I’ve gotten over the fact that I’m just not a big fan of Mangini (at least not his playing in this band, I thought he was solid, if unremarkable in Annihilator and Extreme). At this point, as a fan, the only thing I miss is the band’s ability to create a decent hi fi, quality produced, mixed and mastered, good SOUNDING record. For whatever reason, that seems to be a skill that Portnoy took with him.

I think SC and BC&SL sound awful in a completely different way. Overly compressed with an overbearing drum sound and low keys. So I wouldn't say MP had any sort of producer's magic touch other than making sure his instrument was in the forefront. The Mangini albums sound pretty weird but at least there's balance and cohesion between the instruments (except the drums on ADToE).

Agree to disagree.

It’s true DT has always been hit or miss when it comes to production, but they’ve been on a pretty bad streak lately, IMO. SC and BC&SL are not good but I’ve never had a huge problem with them besides Portnoy’s kick drum being the loudest instrument on those albums  :P.

If we’re talking compression; yes they are compressed but D/T is easily the worst offender of their career (although I still need to listen to the blu-ray version which, apparently, isn’t brickwalled to hell). DT12 is right up there as well on the compression level. All four Mangini releases have some serious issues that distract me from the listening experience. The Astonishing is the only album that is up to snuff. Unfortunately the sound quality is about the only thing I like about that album.

But I concede this is all subjective, and with the exception of what I feel like has been a pretty awful drum sound the past 4 albums, there’s nothing about the production on these albums that I can TOTALLY attribute to Portnoy’s absence.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 16, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
DT has had issues with how their albums sounded as far back as 1999 (Scenes sounds mostly great, but there are at times where it could have sounded better), so it's not like their issues with sound was a new thing that kicked in post-2010.  Note that I am talking the overall sound, not the drum sound.  DT has definitely been a victim of the loudness wars, as have many other great bands. Heck, Rush's last few albums had major sound issues as well (relative to their albums in the 70's, 80's and 90's).

Look, you either have an interest in being fair or you don't.  We've got pages and pages on the so-called passive-aggressiveness.  The band DID say this in specific response to questions about the rotating setlists, the special sets, the repeated QA's, the at-the-time vibrant personal website, the Ytsejam stuff, the behind the scenes stuff, the DVD bonus features, etc. etc.   Snark all you want, only a small fraction of this was (or is being) done. 

I clearly said it wasn't definitive, but it was a point that had to be acknowledged.

I would imagine that it is clear that the band doesn't think certain things are necessary, which is why they aren't being done anymore.  Rotating set lists is a good example, as they have made it clear that a mostly static set list is their current preference lately, so they are going that route. As for special sets, no, they don't bust one random special set in the middle of a tour, but have smartly chucked the cover sets, and they have done a great job overall with the set lists in the Mangini era, from finally playing Space Dye Vest every night for an entire tour (as opposed to just one night, which you know would have been the case had it been played when Portnoy was in the band), to playing Don't Look Past Me (a big time obscure demo) at a dozen shows or so, to doing various anniversary sets for entire tours (all of Images and Words, all of Scenes, doing a chronological set featuring a song from every album), etc. I could go on and on, but I know, I know, every time it is pointed out the many great things the band has done this decade, a Portnoy fan always points to something they haven't.  "Great, they have done a-x, but what about y and z??"

Don't get me wrong, as good as 2011-2019 has been for the band in my estimation, I am in the camp of those who feel that DT will never equal or top their peak of 1992-2002, and I also prefer Portnoy as a drummer over Mangini.  Mangini's drumming might be better on a technical level, but it's a bit too stiff for me at times, and as I have said for years, as a professional air drummer :P, Portnoy's style, to me, is just more fun.  So, even though I think all four Mangini albums are better than the last three they did with Portnoy, I am not one of those "Portnoy bad/Mangini good" people.  This decade has just been a lot more fun as a fan than it was the last half decade with Portnoy.  Remember that outtake video we got with JLB and Petrucci?  We never would have gotten that in the 00's, because Portnoy had to dominate nearly every interview or promo with his overbearing personality, which got more and more grating over time.  I think most of us would agree that Dream Theater is either in the home stretch, or fast approaching it, and it's nice to see the band happy and the personalities of all of the members being allowed to shine and everyone just enjoying what they are doing now without any drama or any one member feeling like he has to always be the face of the band or the center of attention.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 16, 2019, 04:45:07 PM
Don't get me wrong, as good as 2011-2019 has been for the band in my estimation, I am in the camp of those who feel that DT will never equal or top their peak of 1992-2002, and I also prefer Portnoy as a drummer over Mangini.  Mangini's drumming might be better on a technical level, but it's a bit too stiff for me at times, and as I have said for years, as a professional air drummer :P, Portnoy's style, to me, is just more fun.  So, even though I think all four Mangini albums are better than the last three they did with Portnoy, I am not one of those "Portnoy bad/Mangini good" people.  This decade has just been a lot more fun as a fan than it was the last half decade with Portnoy. 
I'm just gonna quote this next time we discuss anything related to Portnoy  :P

It's true that, under MP, there was a wide spectrum of things that were happening all the time - giving us the illusion that anything can happen - and these things just don't happen anymore. At the same time, it is clear now that there were some things that would have never happened under MP, like JM contributing more, JLB recording on his own in Canada, the band making setlists work for them instead of the other way around, the whole way they recorded D/T, and so on.

At some points, we were getting all of our official info on how DT was doing and what they were going through through MP, and as much as I loved him as DT's historian and advocate, we know he has his own perspective of things. I wish we would have gotten some things written or said by other guys over the years as well.

To close out with something I just thought of: as much I'd like for MP to think before he speaks sometimes, James and Mike have been friends for 25 years, and even though they likely haven't really talked in a while, as people in the know assure us, there's no big anger and major resentment hanging between them, just disagreements. James has talked to Mike in person thousands of times before, all these negative public statements fit into a tapestry of thousands of nice things Mike has told him over the years, the good things he's done for James, etc. The one who has really gotten the snub is Mike Mangini. Seriously, we went from the two of them being industry friends and MP mentioning MM's name as a good drummer and inviting him to play with DT, to MP only ever referring to him as "their drummer". I hope there's no bad feelings there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 16, 2019, 09:55:08 PM
To address just this...



It's true that, under MP, there was a wide spectrum of things that were happening all the time - giving us the illusion that anything can happen - and these things just don't happen anymore. 

I get it that some fans miss the aspect.  Heck, following the band's tours on the internet was more fun in the 00's than in the 10's because it was always like, "Okay, let's see what they played last night," as opposed to nowadays where once you see the set list and it is established what it is being rotated, if anything, you don't really have to check in again to see about any changes to the set list, but on the flip side, you get more consistency with the set lists nowadays.  For as much as some miss those special sets that popped up out of nowhere, there were more than a few times when I'd see a set list in the 00's and think, "Ugh, I am glad I wasn't at that show!"  :lol :lol  Long story short, in the 10's, if they bust out something special or different, you are probably gonna get it as long as you see them on that tour (or that leg, at the very least), Don't Look Past Me getting dropped after a dozen or so shows notwithstanding.  I will go back to Space Dye Vest.  Love it or hate it, that getting played was a live landmark event, and instead of it getting played at one show, it was played at every single show on that entire tour.  To quote one of our longtime members, that was especially special. ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 16, 2019, 10:43:28 PM
You know - I have to say that I really miss the setlists and the other cool things MP did.  There was never a show that left me disappointed when he was mixing it up.  (When I started to get disappointed was during the last few tours when he was mixing it up much much less.  I think people forget that - I forget it too, until just now when I was trying to recall being disappointed.)

There was a lot of excitement thinking that anything could be played on a given night, wondering if a Rush album would be the next one they covered in full, etc.  I have no problem saying I miss that and I appreciate very much that Mike did it in the first place.

I haven't forgotten those things.  But that doesn't prevent me from being disappointed when Mike makes his comments.  And I also can't deny that I'm enjoying DT a bit more these days than I was before he left.  There's something that's brought it up just a notch.  Maybe the lack of MP vocals - probably a big thing for me; maybe just that I like most of the new material better than some of the later MP stuff, maybe the connection the band seems to have with each other now.

I'd still love it if they decided to mix things up with the setlist again, but as much as I miss that, I really can't complain about it.  It's been pretty great being a DT fan lately.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 17, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
  I will go back to Space Dye Vest.  Love it or hate it, that getting played was a live landmark event, and instead of it getting played at one show, it was played at every single show on that entire tour.  To quote one of our longtime members, that was especially special. ;)

People forget that it's actually a minority of people like us that look from day to day at what DT is doing. When they played Space Dye Vest, I knew it was coming. There was a dude next to me that was a pretty hardcore fan, singing along to everything, so I assumed he knew Space Dye Vest was coming. When they started playing it, he flipped out! He turned to me and said, "Oh my god, they've never played this! Are they seriously playing this?!" His entire night was made.

They didn't just play it at one show, they played it at every show and it was still a surprise to some, maybe the majority of people. That would not have happened had Portnoy still been in the band, either by not playing it at all, or deciding it would only be played in Lithuania or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 17, 2019, 08:57:58 AM
Well, same for me. I didn't check the setlist, I know all of Awake and basically the whole back catalogue inside out, and when it became apparent that they were playing the second half of Awake, I was dead sure they would stop with Scarred. Totally mindblown when I heard Space Dye Vest beginning. "Whaaaaaat? they're actually playing it??? whaaaa awesome!!!!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 17, 2019, 09:07:56 AM
That was me too. :)  I also managed to be surprised by A Change of Seasons which was awesome. 

I don't think Space Dye Vest would have been played at just one show with MP, and I don't think the "only in Lithuania" thing is fair.  MP was against playing Space Dye Vest at all, but if he did somehow change his mind, it's quite likely that it would have been one of the songs played at every show.  If it wasn't, at the least it would have been played at multiple shows and you could have seen it by going to more than one.  Which I realize not everyone can (or even wants to), but just because some don't see a certain song, does that mean no one should?  I remember being bummed when they played The Necromancer and I wasn't there to see it, but I certainly don't wish they hadn't done it.  It was probably awesome for the people who were there (at least the Rush fans) and at least I can listen to a recording of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 17, 2019, 09:14:54 AM
That was me too. :)  I also managed to be surprised by A Change of Seasons which was awesome. 

I don't think Space Dye Vest would have been played at just one show with MP, and I don't think the "only in Lithuania" thing is fair.  MP was against playing Space Dye Vest at all, but if he did somehow change his mind, it's quite likely that it would have been one of the songs played at every show. 

Oh c'mon, this is the guy that decided they would only ever play Disappear once because he thought it would be cool if they had a song in their catalog they only ever played once. I think they did end up playing it a second time though but once was his original plan.  So either they would only play it once, because Kevin Moore finally agreed to make a cameo, or it would be Lithuania because that was the 22nd anniversary on the 22nd day of the 22nd hour or whatever gimmick he thought would be cool.

But more than likely they wouldn't ever play it with MP still in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on November 17, 2019, 09:17:57 AM
I love reminiscing about people who didn't know that SDV was a part of the set list.

Back in January 2014, a buddy of mine sitting next to me didn't check the set list the way I did. He realized at that point of the show that they are playing some Awake songs in order, and once Lifting shadows was done, he was like: "I know Scarred is coming up, but what will they play after it? Is what I think is going to happen really finally going to happen?" I was like "I don't know, we'll see."  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 17, 2019, 09:26:09 AM
Since he was so opposed to playing it, I agree that they just wouldn't have. Unless as you mentioned, Kevin Moore agreed to make an appearance, which probably also wouldn't have it won't happen. But if for some reason he simply changed his mind about the song, and there was no Kevin Moore option, that I really don't think he would have played it at just one show. He knew how many people would have wanted to see it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 17, 2019, 10:45:53 AM
I would imagine that it is clear that the band doesn't think certain things are necessary, which is why they aren't being done anymore.  Rotating set lists is a good example, as they have made it clear that a mostly static set list is their current preference lately, so they are going that route. As for special sets, no, they don't bust one random special set in the middle of a tour, but have smartly chucked the cover sets, and they have done a great job overall with the set lists in the Mangini era, from finally playing Space Dye Vest every night for an entire tour (as opposed to just one night, which you know would have been the case had it been played when Portnoy was in the band), to playing Don't Look Past Me (a big time obscure demo) at a dozen shows or so, to doing various anniversary sets for entire tours (all of Images and Words, all of Scenes, doing a chronological set featuring a song from every album), etc. I could go on and on, but I know, I know, every time it is pointed out the many great things the band has done this decade, a Portnoy fan always points to something they haven't.  "Great, they have done a-x, but what about y and z??"

Not debating the merits even a little bit.  Most of it is subjective anyway; it's totally dependent on whether you prefer "a-x" or "y and z".  Remember, I'm the guy that says the band can do what they want.  But part of this discussion is crucifying Mike for saying one thing and doing another, and I'm merely pointing out that the band has done the same.  Nothing more nothing less.   If they didn't want to do those things, don't say "we're going to".   Fair is fair.   

 

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This decade has just been a lot more fun as a fan than it was the last half decade with Portnoy.  Remember that outtake video we got with JLB and Petrucci?  We never would have gotten that in the 00's, because Portnoy had to dominate nearly every interview or promo with his overbearing personality, which got more and more grating over time.  I think most of us would agree that Dream Theater is either in the home stretch, or fast approaching it, and it's nice to see the band happy and the personalities of all of the members being allowed to shine and everyone just enjoying what they are doing now without any drama or any one member feeling like he has to always be the face of the band or the center of attention.

To you, and many others, but not everyone, and that's okay. It'd be nice to be able to have the opinion that the Portnoy years were more fun - even with the drama - without being accused of being an "#MPWarrior".   FOR ME, having recently gone back and watched the DVDs and special features from the '95 to about '05 timeframe, it was just a magical period, and nothing from 2011 to now has met that "demand" for me.  DT is great - still a "must-buy", not necessarily a "must-see" - but they are now one of 10 or so bands that are all on the same tier.  I don't expect anyone to share this opinion, but only to respect my right to have it without it being made into something it's not.  Ultimately I recognize his behavior, I'm just (apparently) willing to consider alternate motivations or theories as to their meaning and intent.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 17, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
Stadler - you have every right to prefer the MP era and think it was more exciting.   

I will argue about the cool website (which I assume you mean forum) part of it being a negative against DT.  Yes, MP was super active on his forum and it was really cool.  The other members of DT weren't, and never became active here to make up for it.  However - they're on social media.  JM is still JM, JLB doesn't have a huge presence, but JP, JR, and MM are very active.  If you're not following their social media, I can see how you'd think they're all totally hands off, but they're not.  And MP is doing the same these days ever since shutting down the forum.

Also, as far as their live show, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't The Astonishing the only time you've seen them with MM?  You had some great things to say about that show and it was for an album you don't even really like.  If you saw them outside of that, I can't imagine it not being a much better experience for you.  Maybe to you never as great as when MP was there, but I doubt it would be such a huge difference post and pre split.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 17, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
Stadler - you have every right to prefer the MP era and think it was more exciting.   

I will argue about the cool website (which I assume you mean forum) part of it being a negative against DT.  Yes, MP was super active on his forum and it was really cool.  The other members of DT weren't, and never became active here to make up for it.  However - they're on social media.  JM is still JM, JLB doesn't have a huge presence, but JP, JR, and MM are very active.  If you're not following their social media, I can see how you'd think they're all totally hands off, but they're not.  And MP is doing the same these days ever since shutting down the forum.

Also, as far as their live show, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't The Astonishing the only time you've seen them with MM?  You had some great things to say about that show and it was for an album you don't even really like.  If you saw them outside of that, I can't imagine it not being a much better experience for you.  Maybe to you never as great as when MP was there, but I doubt it would be such a huge difference post and pre split.

I don't know about the first one; part of the charm of Mike then (and actually, although to a lesser extent, Mike now) is that I can empathize with him.  I'm not OCD... except, I have several bands where I have every single song they've officially released.  I dig the "fanboy" side of Mike and it was a big part of my attraction to the band.  I LIKED that he recognized that in his fans. I LIKED that they did the fan club stuff, but if you missed the boat there were ways of getting the material.  I LIKED that he knew where each song was recorded and which versions were which; when I put a live song on my iPod I try very hard to locate the venue and year when I do it. None of that billshot where you have to by a nine album vinyl set to get that one version of song x.   I LIKED that when he got a chance to meet his idol, McCartney, he asked about Let It Be.  I'm down with that.  My (limited) experience with the other members is a lot less "intimate".  I'm not interested in iPad apps, or "Let's raaawwwwwkkkkkk!" type posts.   

The last point is a fair one though.  I suppose I should give the band a non-The Astonishing shot.  It was a great show that I saw, but mostly because of the circumstances around it.  I met about five people from here (and from Mike's site) and formed at least one lasting friendship from it.  But the show itself?  Eh.  The highlight was the end of the first set and that's not a ringing endorsement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 17, 2019, 11:59:28 AM
  FOR ME, having recently gone back and watched the DVDs and special features from the '95 to about '05 timeframe, it was just a magical period, and nothing from 2011 to now has met that "demand" for me. 

I can kind of agree but also I think most of Mike's output since then has gone the same way. Granted, I don't buy most his stuff but even his drum cams he started phoning in. I'm not a drummer but I bought those just for the bonus features like commentaries. Now he just shits them out with two different audio options. The Sons of Apollo DVD also kind of seemed like they were shit out. A quick behind the scenes thing and then a promotional clip from some talk show.

Even the official bootlegs towards the end seemed uninspired, especially the cover series. I thought it was cool to cover Metallica even though I was never a fan and Iron Maiden that I was lukewarm on because I loved hearing about how they influenced them. I thought it was a bit cheesy to finally get the keyboardist they've always wanted and to relegate him to a few guitar synth solos but whatever. Then the Deep Purple cover album was....weird. At least they utilized Jordan a bit more but to do a live cover of a live album. Weird. Roger Glover, who mixed it even said as much. The next release wasn't even a full cover album but there was still a few cool selections

I also remember Mike telling fans if they don't like cover sets to not go to the second night of a two night stand (in a pretty shitty way actually). Then a bunch of fans went to the second night in south america (I think) and they got SFAM in its entirety. He then got pissy at the fans that were like, "but you said" and his response was, "hey, I told you we'd play a classic album."

No doubt he burned himself but we started getting less special stuff even while he was in the band and that downward trend has continued since he's been out, his project included. In fact, I would actually say post-Mike's DT's stuff is better than Mike's post-DT stuff in regards to bonus content.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 17, 2019, 12:15:26 PM
Stadler - you have every right to prefer the MP era and think it was more exciting.   

I will argue about the cool website (which I assume you mean forum) part of it being a negative against DT.  Yes, MP was super active on his forum and it was really cool.  The other members of DT weren't, and never became active here to make up for it.  However - they're on social media.  JM is still JM, JLB doesn't have a huge presence, but JP, JR, and MM are very active.  If you're not following their social media, I can see how you'd think they're all totally hands off, but they're not.  And MP is doing the same these days ever since shutting down the forum.

Also, as far as their live show, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't The Astonishing the only time you've seen them with MM?  You had some great things to say about that show and it was for an album you don't even really like.  If you saw them outside of that, I can't imagine it not being a much better experience for you.  Maybe to you never as great as when MP was there, but I doubt it would be such a huge difference post and pre split.

I don't know about the first one; part of the charm of Mike then (and actually, although to a lesser extent, Mike now) is that I can empathize with him.  I'm not OCD... except, I have several bands where I have every single song they've officially released.  I dig the "fanboy" side of Mike and it was a big part of my attraction to the band.  I LIKED that he recognized that in his fans. I LIKED that they did the fan club stuff, but if you missed the boat there were ways of getting the material.  I LIKED that he knew where each song was recorded and which versions were which; when I put a live song on my iPod I try very hard to locate the venue and year when I do it. None of that billshot where you have to by a nine album vinyl set to get that one version of song x.   I LIKED that when he got a chance to meet his idol, McCartney, he asked about Let It Be.  I'm down with that.  My (limited) experience with the other members is a lot less "intimate".  I'm not interested in iPad apps, or "Let's raaawwwwwkkkkkk!" type posts.   
Well, that's a personal quirk of Mike's and I agree with you - it was cool and I liked a lot of that about him too.  But is that really so big as to make you like the band less now that he's not there? The other band members can't make themselves be Mike's version of "OCD" and they shouldn't.  But there's a lot more than just "let's rawk" posts.  Jordan posts a lot of himself playing live - yes, sometimes using an iPad app, but at lot of times on the piano.  I don't watch every time, but but I when I do it's cool and imo very intimate - to just record yourself playing whatever and let people watch it live.  Maybe it's not him talking about his emotions, but I get the feeling that his expresses those through music anyway.  (Also, you'll get to see a cool cat pic every so often. :))  JP posts a lot of pictures - at one of the venues in Canada, you can see a huge Rush starman which is backstage and fans wouldn't otherwise have known, and he makes a comment about the home of his heroes.  He recently posted a very nice thank to everyone who supported them this tour - including braving the weather which resonated with me having to drive through snow for that last show (both ways, probably up hill too!).  Probably none of it would fill the void of how MP was on the forum, but I think you'd find stuff there to be engaged with - on some level at least.

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The last point is a fair one though.  I suppose I should give the band a non-The Astonishing shot.  It was a great show that I saw, but mostly because of the circumstances around it.  I met about five people from here (and from Mike's site) and formed at least one lasting friendship from it.  But the show itself?  Eh.  The highlight was the end of the first set and that's not a ringing endorsement.

Well, again, you don't like the album.  Some people came away with a new appreciation for it after seeing it live, sounds like that didn't happen for you, but I remember you talking about how much you enjoyed JLB and I think maybe it was JP.  You probably would have like any of the other shows better.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 17, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
  FOR ME, having recently gone back and watched the DVDs and special features from the '95 to about '05 timeframe, it was just a magical period, and nothing from 2011 to now has met that "demand" for me. 

I can kind of agree but also I think most of Mike's output since then has gone the same way. Granted, I don't buy most his stuff but even his drum cams he started phoning in. I'm not a drummer but I bought those just for the bonus features like commentaries. Now he just shits them out with two different audio options. The Sons of Apollo DVD also kind of seemed like they were shit out. A quick behind the scenes thing and then a promotional clip from some talk show.

Even the official bootlegs towards the end seemed uninspired, especially the cover series. I thought it was cool to cover Metallica even though I was never a fan and Iron Maiden that I was lukewarm on because I loved hearing about how they influenced them. I thought it was a bit cheesy to finally get the keyboardist they've always wanted and to relegate him to a few guitar synth solos but whatever. Then the Deep Purple cover album was....weird. At least they utilized Jordan a bit more but to do a live cover of a live album. Weird. Roger Glover, who mixed it even said as much. The next release wasn't even a full cover album but there was still a few cool selections

I also remember Mike telling fans if they don't like cover sets to not go to the second night of a two night stand (in a pretty shitty way actually). Then a bunch of fans went to the second night in south america (I think) and they got SFAM in its entirety. He then got pissy at the fans that were like, "but you said" and his response was, "hey, I told you we'd play a classic album."

No doubt he burned himself but we started getting less special stuff even while he was in the band and that downward trend has continued since he's been out, his project included. In fact, I would actually say post-Mike's DT's stuff is better than Mike's post-DT stuff in regards to bonus content.

Also rotating setlists, that absolutely no post-DT MP band has ever had, but I guess the complaints only apply to DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 17, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
Well, it's not that he's teaming up with bad or unexperienced musicians, but being in a band like DT kinda helps if you want to have rotating setlists. The norm is preparing a show and having a fixed setlist and maybe change a song here and there, DT were the exception and not the rule. For what we know he might have even proposed that and got as a reply "What? forget it man, if you want someone to rehearse 30 songs before a tour ask John Petrucci, he's capable of that".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on November 17, 2019, 03:05:32 PM
  FOR ME, having recently gone back and watched the DVDs and special features from the '95 to about '05 timeframe, it was just a magical period, and nothing from 2011 to now has met that "demand" for me. 

I can kind of agree but also I think most of Mike's output since then has gone the same way. Granted, I don't buy most his stuff but even his drum cams he started phoning in. I'm not a drummer but I bought those just for the bonus features like commentaries. Now he just shits them out with two different audio options. The Sons of Apollo DVD also kind of seemed like they were shit out. A quick behind the scenes thing and then a promotional clip from some talk show.

Even the official bootlegs towards the end seemed uninspired, especially the cover series. I thought it was cool to cover Metallica even though I was never a fan and Iron Maiden that I was lukewarm on because I loved hearing about how they influenced them. I thought it was a bit cheesy to finally get the keyboardist they've always wanted and to relegate him to a few guitar synth solos but whatever. Then the Deep Purple cover album was....weird. At least they utilized Jordan a bit more but to do a live cover of a live album. Weird. Roger Glover, who mixed it even said as much. The next release wasn't even a full cover album but there was still a few cool selections

I also remember Mike telling fans if they don't like cover sets to not go to the second night of a two night stand (in a pretty shitty way actually). Then a bunch of fans went to the second night in south america (I think) and they got SFAM in its entirety. He then got pissy at the fans that were like, "but you said" and his response was, "hey, I told you we'd play a classic album."

No doubt he burned himself but we started getting less special stuff even while he was in the band and that downward trend has continued since he's been out, his project included. In fact, I would actually say post-Mike's DT's stuff is better than Mike's post-DT stuff in regards to bonus content.

Also rotating setlists, that absolutely no post-DT MP band has ever had, but I guess the complaints only apply to DT.

The lack of rotating setlist complaint boggles my mind. It only benefits fans who obsessively check setlists after each show and want to see a bunch of different songs and the 5 fans who may see multiple shows (which if they're doing the same set, you don't have to spend the extra money on more than one show). Plus they change it up from tour-to-tour significantly enough. I'd often be pissed that Des Moines or wherever got a song I wanted and my city ended up with the song I didn't want.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 17, 2019, 03:21:30 PM
But why on earth would you be pissed off about that?  If you're only going to go to one show, then why does it matter if another show has different songs?  Because if you can't see those songs, no one can?  Maybe if they weren't rotating the setlist, they would have played the song you wanted, but maybe they would have played the other one and no one would have heard the song you wanted.

I'm not dissing DT for not doing it, I'm not mad at them, I don't threaten to stop seeing them live because of it.  But I certainly do miss it.  And while I have no idea how many fans saw multiple shows, I promise it was way more than five.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 17, 2019, 03:24:31 PM
I also remember Mike telling fans if they don't like cover sets to not go to the second night of a two night stand (in a pretty shitty way actually). Then a bunch of fans went to the second night in south america (I think) and they got SFAM in its entirety. He then got pissy at the fans that were like, "but you said" and his response was, "hey, I told you we'd play a classic album."

Yikes.  I didn't know about that.  I hope some of those fans are getting to see Scenes next month.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 17, 2019, 03:26:56 PM
The lack of rotating setlist complaint boggles my mind. It only benefits fans who obsessively check setlists after each show and want to see a bunch of different songs and the 5 fans who may see multiple shows (which if they're doing the same set, you don't have to spend the extra money on more than one show). Plus they change it up from tour-to-tour significantly enough. I'd often be pissed that Des Moines or wherever got a song I wanted and my city ended up with the song I didn't want.

So, I will agree with you that the setlists from tour to tour have varied a ton, and they've done a great job with that.

Regarding the MP Era rotating setlists....

I think the rotating setlists were great. It kept the fan engaged beyond your local show. I would check online about what they played the night before. It was like checking a box score of your baseball team. Does that make me obsessive? Puleeze, man.

It is true that not all setlists were created equal, but I, for one, enjoyed collecting boots from the various shows from the tour. When I go on a DT binge, it rarely includes studio albums.

Nowadays, before and after my show, I'm basically checked out on the rest of the tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 18, 2019, 08:44:11 AM

Well, that's a personal quirk of Mike's and I agree with you - it was cool and I liked a lot of that about him too.  But is that really so big as to make you like the band less now that he's not there? The other band members can't make themselves be Mike's version of "OCD" and they shouldn't. 

Yeah, actually, for me, it is.  And while you can say "well, Stadler, that's YOU", and I agree, but it's no different than losing faith in a band becuase the keyboard player is more douchey than you'd prefer leading up to an album release.  The point isn't the specific issue, but the general premise that being "Team Mike" (I'm being facetious) is an irrational position to take.   There's a LOT of negative nonsense about Sharon Osbourne, and I could care less about most of it.  What bugs me?  The releases of the catalogue that are incomplete, that leave out songs (in all the re-releases of Blizzard and Diary, "You Said It All" and the live material from 1980 with Randy has never been re-released since the original Mr. Crowley EP, except for "YSIA" on a very rare, very expensive promo CD for Crazy Babies).  That to me is a "fuck you" to the fans. 

I LOVED the Ytsejam releases.  No, I'm not a huge Metallica fan, and so "Master Of Puppets" is sort of a dud in that respect, but it's OUT there, and they DID it.  It's MUSIC.  Not everything has to be for me, specifically, but I can tell you, of my other favorite bands  - Beatles, Zeppelin, Kiss, Maiden, Genesis - there's nothing like it.   The Beatles are now starting to flesh out their catalogue with the "50-year" releases, Zeppelin has been great about putting everything out there, Kiss is, well, Kiss, Maiden is getting there (STILL haven't released the full Soundhouse Tapes, though), Genesis, with fits and starts has finally got most of their stuff out (still waiting for an unredacted live Lamb, and the full tapes from the '76 In Concert) but NO ONE did it in real time like Dream Theater, and I deeply, deeply respect that.   

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But there's a lot more than just "let's rawk" posts.  Jordan posts a lot of himself playing live - yes, sometimes using an iPad app, but at lot of times on the piano.  I don't watch every time, but but I when I do it's cool and imo very intimate - to just record yourself playing whatever and let people watch it live.  Maybe it's not him talking about his emotions, but I get the feeling that his expresses those through music anyway.  (Also, you'll get to see a cool cat pic every so often. :))  JP posts a lot of pictures - at one of the venues in Canada, you can see a huge Rush starman which is backstage and fans wouldn't otherwise have known, and he makes a comment about the home of his heroes.  He recently posted a very nice thank to everyone who supported them this tour - including braving the weather which resonated with me having to drive through snow for that last show (both ways, probably up hill too!).  Probably none of it would fill the void of how MP was on the forum, but I think you'd find stuff there to be engaged with - on some level at least.

And I'm not an animal.  I like the Jordan stuff.  I like that connection.  He's long said he speaks through his music, and fair enough.  I actually ripped one of the fan club DVDs, and separated out some of the Jordan material that he recorded specifically for the Fan Club and put it on my iPod. 

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Well, again, you don't like the album.  Some people came away with a new appreciation for it after seeing it live, sounds like that didn't happen for you, but I remember you talking about how much you enjoyed JLB and I think maybe it was JP.  You probably would have like any of the other shows better.

Yeah, fair is fair; James sang his ass off in the show I saw.   I was really impressed with the performance, and in hindsight, I view it for what it was - an opera - not a "Dream Theater concert" (that's not a bad thing, by the way, its a positive).  I think you're right, I should give them another shot.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 18, 2019, 08:50:43 AM
But part of this discussion is crucifying Mike for saying one thing and doing another, and I'm merely pointing out that the band has done the same.

And you really need to take off the banboy blinders and stop making that same strawman argument.  People expressing that they prefer something the band is doing now, or criticizing something they don't like about Portnoy isn't "crucifying" him.  Your constant exaggeration of anything slightly critical of him is really doing a huge disservice to any argument you are trying to make. 


Anyhow, on the rotating set lists thing:  Personally, I don't see the need for that.  It was really cool back when they did it.  But them not rotating now doesn't take anything away from how solid the shows have been.  But that said, I personally feel that going back to an A/B format where they have a steady rotation of just a small number of songs like they did on the ADTOE tour would be a nice happy medium.  They kind of have that going on this tour, where they rotate Paralyzed with Fall Into the Light.  But with it only being a single song spot that rotates, it doesn't feel all that different.  If it were 3 songs or so, it would feel a lot more varied, even though in reality, it isn't.  And what I feel even more strongly about is: I also think that keeping the exact same set list when they come back for a second "B market" tour leg is a mistake.  They are trying to make sure all fans in different markets get the same experience.  But I don't think they accept that, overall, they are probably losing ticket sales because people DO travel to see shows, and those markets aren't really that far apart, and they would get more repeat views if they changed things up a bit on subsequent tour legs.  Honestly, I know this is going to come across as kinda arrogant, but I wish they would make me, or Kim, or someone like us their unofficial tour consultants whenever they are putting set lists together.  I think we could point out a lot of things that, from a fan perspective, they just don't realize. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 18, 2019, 09:02:13 AM
Anyhow, on the rotating set lists thing:  Personally, I don't see the need for that.  It was really cool back when they did it.  But them not rotating now doesn't take anything away from how solid the shows have been.  But that said, I personally feel that going back to an A/B format where they have a steady rotation of just a small number of songs like they did on the ADTOE tour would be a nice happy medium.  They kind of have that going on this tour, where they rotate Paralyzed with Fall Into the Light.  But with it only being a single song spot that rotates, it doesn't feel all that different.  If it were 3 songs or so, it would feel a lot more varied, even though in reality, it isn't.  And what I feel even more strongly about is: I also think that keeping the exact same set list when they come back for a second "B market" tour leg is a mistake.  They are trying to make sure all fans in different markets get the same experience.  But I don't think they accept that, overall, they are probably losing ticket sales because people DO travel to see shows, and those markets aren't really that far apart, and they would get more repeat views if they changed things up a bit on subsequent tour legs.  Honestly, I know this is going to come across as kinda arrogant, but I wish they would make me, or Kim, or someone like us their unofficial tour consultants whenever they are putting set lists together.  I think we could point out a lot of things that, from a fan perspective, they just don't realize.


Agree with all of this, especially the bolded. i think at this point of their touring career they'd be served well by having an experienced 'fan' give input as to how they could guarantee maximum crowd draw/satisfaction. You guys are more than the average fan by way of your inside position with the band....and have the pulse of (in general) what the average fans expectations are.




idea from controversial opinions thread: i still think a strictly MM era song tour would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 18, 2019, 09:28:22 AM
It is worth noting that sometimes a static set list is so good that fans will travel to multiple cities to see that tour.  Case in point: 2014, when the set list was so great that I went and saw the Chicago show with my brother on a Saturday, and then went and saw the Kansas City show with three friends that following Wednesday.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 18, 2019, 09:34:46 AM
It is worth noting that sometimes a static set list is so good that fans will travel to multiple cities to see that tour.  Case in point: 2014, when the set list was so great that I went and saw the Chicago show with my brother on a Saturday, and then went and saw the Kansas City show with three friends that following Wednesday.  :metal :metal

Saw the Astonishing twice (2 nights in a row in Stockholm)
Saw Images and Words and beyond twice one in Stockholm in february (i think) and the other in Katowice in Poland..... convinced my collegue that a trip to our subcontractors around that time was necessary ( we ended up going together with them as a work thing)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 18, 2019, 09:39:56 AM
Bosk, You're forgetting they also added At Wit's End. Which is one reason I decided to see them again this 2nd leg. I bet quite a lot of fans again just to see/hear that song live.

It works really well, and felt like a Dream Theater show ender.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 18, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
It is worth noting that sometimes a static set list is so good that fans will travel to multiple cities to see that tour.  Case in point: 2014, when the set list was so great that I went and saw the Chicago show with my brother on a Saturday, and then went and saw the Kansas City show with three friends that following Wednesday.  :metal :metal

Saw the Astonishing twice (2 nights in a row in Stockholm)
Saw Images and Words and beyond twice one in Stockholm in february (i think) and the other in Katowice in Poland..... convinced my collegue that a trip to our subcontractors around that time was necessary ( we ended up going together with them as a work thing)

 :tup :tup

I might have gone to see the Astonishing show again had there been one close by and on the weekend, but it just didn't work out that way.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 18, 2019, 10:22:27 AM
But part of this discussion is crucifying Mike for saying one thing and doing another, and I'm merely pointing out that the band has done the same.

And you really need to take off the banboy blinders and stop making that same strawman argument.  People expressing that they prefer something the band is doing now, or criticizing something they don't like about Portnoy isn't "crucifying" him.  Your constant exaggeration of anything slightly critical of him is really doing a huge disservice to any argument you are trying to make. 

With respect, that's not accurate reading.  I have no beef whatsoever with personal preferences, or "slight criticism".  I've facetiously said I'm "Team Mike" but only to create contrast; I'm aware enough to separate the two situations.  I don't even disagree with some of the criticisms.  While I don't give as much weight as some do (that's just personal preference), I'd prefer he shut his yap on occasions.  But some of the comments here - not all, not even most, but some - are over the line.  It's when his intelligence is questioned - as it was here - for his decisions/behavior, when he's psychologically diagnosed - as he was here - for his decisions/behavior.  It's when even passive support is deemed "#MPWarrior" or "fanboy blinded" - as it was here.  All this is in the last several pages, Bosk.  I may not be doing a great job of weeding out the really egregious stuff, and I take responsibility for that, but there is no "constant exaggeration", and I'll note that the response to my position has been exceedingly negative, with little apparent willingness to even concede there might be an alternative explanation, let alone agreeing with it. 

I get it, I'm in the distinct minority, but I'd rather just let it go at this point. 

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Anyhow, on the rotating set lists thing:  Personally, I don't see the need for that.  It was really cool back when they did it.  But them not rotating now doesn't take anything away from how solid the shows have been.  But that said, I personally feel that going back to an A/B format where they have a steady rotation of just a small number of songs like they did on the ADTOE tour would be a nice happy medium.  They kind of have that going on this tour, where they rotate Paralyzed with Fall Into the Light.  But with it only being a single song spot that rotates, it doesn't feel all that different.  If it were 3 songs or so, it would feel a lot more varied, even though in reality, it isn't.  And what I feel even more strongly about is: I also think that keeping the exact same set list when they come back for a second "B market" tour leg is a mistake.  They are trying to make sure all fans in different markets get the same experience.  But I don't think they accept that, overall, they are probably losing ticket sales because people DO travel to see shows, and those markets aren't really that far apart, and they would get more repeat views if they changed things up a bit on subsequent tour legs.  Honestly, I know this is going to come across as kinda arrogant, but I wish they would make me, or Kim, or someone like us their unofficial tour consultants whenever they are putting set lists together.  I think we could point out a lot of things that, from a fan perspective, they just don't realize.

Have they spoken of this?  Is it really about the "fan experience", or are there other concerns (set staging, vocalist "wear and tear", depth of catalogue are all frequent explanations for static setlists)?  Honest question, because I can see the argument both ways.  I saw Iron Maiden a couple months ago, and they play a strict, set setlist each show with no variation, and it was still one of the best shows I've ever seen EVER. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 18, 2019, 10:36:27 AM
They've spoken on it.  And I've also spoken to them about it.  Fan experience is definitely a factor.  But there are others, some of which you have cited.  (but vocalist wear and tear is NOT one of them)  Of all of them, JP is I think the most outspoken about keeping the set lists static.  He feels that the band being dialed in and tight from repeating the same set, and having it all synced up via the click, really provides the best experience for the fans.  And, whether right, wrong, or somewhere in between, he feels pretty strongly about that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 18, 2019, 11:06:41 AM
Anyhow, on the rotating set lists thing:  Personally, I don't see the need for that.  It was really cool back when they did it.  But them not rotating now doesn't take anything away from how solid the shows have been.  But that said, I personally feel that going back to an A/B format where they have a steady rotation of just a small number of songs like they did on the ADTOE tour would be a nice happy medium.  They kind of have that going on this tour, where they rotate Paralyzed with Fall Into the Light.  But with it only being a single song spot that rotates, it doesn't feel all that different.  If it were 3 songs or so, it would feel a lot more varied, even though in reality, it isn't.  And what I feel even more strongly about is: I also think that keeping the exact same set list when they come back for a second "B market" tour leg is a mistake.  They are trying to make sure all fans in different markets get the same experience.  But I don't think they accept that, overall, they are probably losing ticket sales because people DO travel to see shows, and those markets aren't really that far apart, and they would get more repeat views if they changed things up a bit on subsequent tour legs.  Honestly, I know this is going to come across as kinda arrogant, but I wish they would make me, or Kim, or someone like us their unofficial tour consultants whenever they are putting set lists together.  I think we could point out a lot of things that, from a fan perspective, they just don't realize.

Spot on. Hope they decide to bring the A and B setlists thing back for future tours.

As for the last part of your post, I obviously don't know how's your personal relationship with JP and the rest of the guys, but I imagine that if there's enough trust between both, you could totally suggest some of these things to him/them and I'm sure they'd at least hear you out. But, again, maybe it's not something they're open to and you obviously can't push with stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2019, 11:12:32 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 18, 2019, 11:15:39 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.

Indeed. Personally, I don't see rock shows for perfect replications of the album versions of songs. When I see a symphony, I want perfection, because I don't care who the orchestra is and am not interested in their personalities or humanity. When I see a rock show (or pop show or whatever) I am more interested in the personalities than perfect replications without any slight deviation. It seems I am in a pretty small minority with that, but it has stopped me from even wanting to see DT for the last 10 years or so.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 18, 2019, 11:16:20 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.

At the end of the day, none of this matters when they've avoided your country like the plague for almost 10 years now and you can't afford traveling to neighbor countries to catch the tour :'(
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 18, 2019, 11:22:06 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.

At the end of the day, none of this matters when they've avoided your country like the plague for almost 10 years now and you can't afford traveling to neighbor countries to catch the tour :'(

I feel you there man.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 18, 2019, 11:32:58 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.

Indeed. Personally, I don't see rock shows for perfect replications of the album versions of songs. When I see a symphony, I want perfection, because I don't care who the orchestra is and am not interested in their personalities or humanity. When I see a rock show (or pop show or whatever) I am more interested in the personalities than perfect replications without any slight deviation. It seems I am in a pretty small minority with that, but it has stopped me from even wanting to see DT for the last 10 years or so.

Generally, I'm with you on that.   Some of my favorite concert moments are the "real" parts of the show.  Watching Hogarth sing "Freaks" from a piece of paper while Rothery strummed the song on acoustic, because the crowd wouldn't stop chanting "FREAKS! FREAKS!" and Hogarth finally caved.   Or the Kiss show where Gene's "flying rig" jammed up, hanging him four feet off the stage, and him chewing out the roadies... from that point on, the band hit the nitrous and it was a different show (even my daughter, 15 at the time, noticed the difference in the band's performance).  Ian Gillan and Steve Morse sitting on the front of the stage and doing an acoustic "The Aviator".    Adrian Belew doing an impromptu "Free As A Bird" (the Beatles song) during his solo section of the '93 Crimson show in New Haven, a week and a half before the song was actually issued and anyone had  heard it.  The jam section during "Calling To You" in the Page and Plant show, which proved to me why Plant is regarded as one of the greatest front men of all time.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on November 18, 2019, 11:33:48 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.
I most certainly do, but I expect that from myself too (must be a musician thing I guess)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 18, 2019, 11:41:03 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.
I most certainly do, but I expect that from myself too (must be a musician thing I guess)

I'm a musician, and no. But a lot of prog metal musicians, definitely.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
It seems the DT fan base really looks for perfection from a DT performance so playing a static set list really helps with that.  I'd rather they rotate personally, but I could see the static set list thing being a reflection on a large part of the fan base already.
I most certainly do, but I expect that from myself too (must be a musician thing I guess)

I understand that desire, and I'm not saying I'd rather DT be sloppy.  But moreso for my personal taste, what Stadler is suggesting, when things aren't static, you can get some really cool concert moments. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 18, 2019, 11:51:27 AM
I want them to be tight and play the songs as close to the original as possible - unless they're intentionally improvising. I don't want the songs to be sloppy. But, I didn't think they were sloppy at all when they rotated the set. They've always been extremely impressive. If they made a couple extra mistakes by rotating the set list but we got to enjoy that rotation and more songs, that I'm totally all for it.  If it was somehow a massive train wreck, then I'd feel differently, but they always put on a very tight show, rotating or not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 18, 2019, 11:56:38 AM
They've spoken on it.  And I've also spoken to them about it.  Fan experience is definitely a factor.  But there are others, some of which you have cited.  (but vocalist wear and tear is NOT one of them)  Of all of them, JP is I think the most outspoken about keeping the set lists static.  He feels that the band being dialed in and tight from repeating the same set, and having it all synced up via the click, really provides the best experience for the fans.  And, whether right, wrong, or somewhere in between, he feels pretty strongly about that.

Great question Stadler, and Bosk, I'm really glad you answered it and shared that with us. I've read speculation over the years that this was more because of James, and I always thought that was kind of wrong based on comments he's made. Like trying to be smart about maybe not singing a certain song every night, but being able to do it every other night. So it's nice to know that is actually JP who's behind it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 18, 2019, 01:22:53 PM
Because of James? I've never heard that. They have been pretty clear n their reason on the static setlists from the get go.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 18, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
I also remember Mike telling fans if they don't like cover sets to not go to the second night of a two night stand (in a pretty shitty way actually). Then a bunch of fans went to the second night in south america (I think) and they got SFAM in its entirety. He then got pissy at the fans that were like, "but you said" and his response was, "hey, I told you we'd play a classic album."
I know he warned fans not to go to the second night of a two night stand if they didn't want to see them perform a cover album, but I don't remember him doing so in "a pretty shitty way." Regarding what happened in South America in 2005, you are mis-remembering. Some fans were were very vocal in expressing disappointment over them doing a cover set on the second night due to the fact that this was only the second time that DT was going to be playing in Brazil, and the first time in Argentina, which MP responded to. While he didn't want to reveal what they were going to play at the second night in those 2 places, he said told me after the fact that he decided SFaM "would be the "classic album" the VERY MINUTE the dates were given to me (even before they were announced) being we have never played SFAM in these 2 countries...."
 
 
Also rotating setlists, that absolutely no post-DT MP band has ever had, but I guess the complaints only apply to DT.
You forgot one detail: in none of those post-DT bands has MP been the band leader that he was in DT, aside from SoA. And in the case of SoA, they were touring behind their debut album, so they didn't have any material to swap in and out of the setlist. Of course, they could've mixed up the covers that they included in the set, but I think it's fair to give them a pass on this first tour. Let's see how things go with their tour next year.
 
 
The lack of rotating setlist complaint boggles my mind. It only benefits fans who obsessively check setlists after each show and want to see a bunch of different songs and the 5 fans who may see multiple shows (which if they're doing the same set, you don't have to spend the extra money on more than one show). Plus they change it up from tour-to-tour significantly enough.
I beg to differ. While the number of fans who attended multiple shows may be a minority, there were definitely enough of them to make a difference. Look at the comments that have been made regarding the second leg of this latest tour that DT did in North America. I know I read a bunch of comments by people that said that they won't bother seeing them again because the setlist is almost exactly the same as it was during the first leg, and you can be sure there are plenty of fans not on this forum that felt the same way. It helps explain why the attendance at some shows was far from being at capacity. And I think the same thing could be said for when the band did the second leg through North America back in 2016 (regardless of the fact that the whole setlist was just TA). The point is, many fans are willing to see them multiple times, especially close by if they offer up something different at each show. That doesn't happen since the ban on rotating setlists has taken place.


I'd often be pissed that Des Moines or wherever got a song I wanted and my city ended up with the song I didn't want.
And why would that piss you off? You clearly are not someone who checks "setlists after each show."


It is worth noting that sometimes a static set list is so good that fans will travel to multiple cities to see that tour.  Case in point: 2014, when the set list was so great that I went and saw the Chicago show with my brother on a Saturday, and then went and saw the Kansas City show with three friends that following Wednesday.  :metal :metal
Good for you! But if you want to talk about a minority of fans, I promise, you are a far greater minority than those who would travel to attend multiple shows if the band was rotating the setlist again.  ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on November 18, 2019, 03:04:09 PM


I'd often be pissed that Des Moines or wherever got a song I wanted and my city ended up with the song I didn't want.
And why would that piss you off? You clearly are not someone who checks "setlists after each show."



I used to. Haven't had to with DT since 2011 though. As long as the set changes from leg to leg, there's really no issues. I'm aware they're doing the same set again, but I'm guessing it's due to being in different markets. I agree that it's lame to keep it the same though. I know we've argued this before and will never agree on this. Changing setlists are pointless to the 99% of fans who will never go to multiple shows. Bootlegs are a different story, but uh, listen to live versions from older tours where James probably sounded better anyway  ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: zappafrank2112 on November 18, 2019, 10:12:41 PM

NO ONE did it in real time like Dream Theater, and I deeply, deeply respect that.   



Marillion is the standard bearer, IMO

And maybe The Grateful Dead (live stuff)

And Zappa (whose estate is SILL continuing to do it, and will for a few lifetimes probably, hah)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lynxo on November 19, 2019, 02:07:49 AM
I feel like one important thing is missing from the rotating set list discussion - Dream Theater did the rotating set lists not only to play different songs in different cities but also to also make sure that the same city on multiple tours didn't get repeats. Didn't catch Root Of All Evil on the Octavarium tour? Then there might be a high chance it would be played on the tour after that.

That, to me, was always super cool and encouraged going to see them on every single tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 19, 2019, 02:26:22 AM
But that still happens.

Look at the concerts I've seen since Mangini joined:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2012/mediolanum-forum-di-assago-assago-italy-3bde8464.html

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2014/mediolanum-forum-di-assago-assago-italy-2bc5f85a.html

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2016/teatro-degli-arcimboldi-milan-italy-43f0374f.html

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/mediolanum-forum-di-assago-assago-italy-3bf8243c.html

I see a lot of variety there. And I missed the anniversary tour where they played some more different songs. And please don't spoil me the current setlist but I got hints here and there that they've changed it up once again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 19, 2019, 06:42:59 AM

NO ONE did it in real time like Dream Theater, and I deeply, deeply respect that.   



Marillion is the standard bearer, IMO

And maybe The Grateful Dead (live stuff)

And Zappa (whose estate is SILL continuing to do it, and will for a few lifetimes probably, hah)

IN REAL TIME.   

But yeah, Marillion is probably the closest.   The Dead and Zappa are both posthumous, and both take heat for that very fact.   There's a LOT of Deadheads that have crusty, bong-water soaked cassettes of Cornell 5/8 that are m*****f*****g David Lemiuex for monetizing that show in the recent "May '77" box set.  Or the recent Albuquerque show (I think that was the one).   I disagree with that (since the shows are usually released with new sources, in most cases original sources, since a bag of Betty's reels were found and bought by the Archive) but it's a criticism nonetheless. 

I remember the Fan Club CDs were going for like 2, 3 bills on eBay, then the Ytsejam stuff came out and I asked "are the versions on the Ytsejam stuff the same as the Fan Club disks?" and I got a wink and a "no, the Ytsejam stuff is remastered".  I thought that was cool - preserving the value of the Fan Club CDs for those diehards, but making the material available for the new(er) fans who missed the Fan Club boat the first time.   Sharon ought to be taking notes (though I guess she's busy on the View and making sure Ozzy's hair stylists are men). 

I'm still put out by the fact that both Phil Collins* and Peter Gabriel have refused to put out a comprehensive b-side compilation.    Gabriel has probably a five-disk box set worth of b-side and soundtrack material, and some of that stuff ought to see the light of (digital) day.   

* Phil did, because of demand, add a digital-only release "The Other Sides", which is a fairly complete b-side collection, but it's digital-only, which is a bummer for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on November 19, 2019, 07:15:26 AM


I'm still put out by the fact that both Phil Collins* and Peter Gabriel have refused to put out a comprehensive b-side compilation.    Gabriel has probably a five-disk box set worth of b-side and soundtrack material, and some of that stuff ought to see the light of (digital) day.   

* Phil did, because of demand, add a digital-only release "The Other Sides", which is a fairly complete b-side collection, but it's digital-only, which is a bummer for me.

Ahem....some of it is out. It was just released last week...A lot of nice stuff. Let me know your thoughts on what he released.

https://petergabriel.bandcamp.com/music
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 19, 2019, 07:19:17 AM


I'm still put out by the fact that both Phil Collins* and Peter Gabriel have refused to put out a comprehensive b-side compilation.    Gabriel has probably a five-disk box set worth of b-side and soundtrack material, and some of that stuff ought to see the light of (digital) day.   

* Phil did, because of demand, add a digital-only release "The Other Sides", which is a fairly complete b-side collection, but it's digital-only, which is a bummer for me.

Ahem....some of it is out. It was just released last week...A lot of nice stuff. Let me know your thoughts on what he released.

https://petergabriel.bandcamp.com/music

You just made my day, amigo.  I had no idea that was coming.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on November 19, 2019, 07:21:45 AM
Peter Gabriel...bandcamp?
Does not compute.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 19, 2019, 10:45:04 AM
I feel like one important thing is missing from the rotating set list discussion - Dream Theater did the rotating set lists not only to play different songs in different cities but also to also make sure that the same city on multiple tours didn't get repeats. Didn't catch Root Of All Evil on the Octavarium tour? Then there might be a high chance it would be played on the tour after that.

That, to me, was always super cool and encouraged going to see them on every single tour.

Another reason I say Dream Theater fans were spoiled with the set lists.

I will always say it. You east coast guys are fortunate to get 2 legs at not-so-distant venues, and choose which one to attend.

I enjoyed that Portnoy decided to do this with the sets. But currently, I'm enjoying the sets DT are churning out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 19, 2019, 11:16:27 AM
Also rotating setlists, that absolutely no post-DT MP band has ever had, but I guess the complaints only apply to DT.
You forgot one detail: in none of those post-DT bands has MP been the band leader that he was in DT, aside from SoA. And in the case of SoA, they were touring behind their debut album, so they didn't have any material to swap in and out of the setlist. Of course, they could've mixed up the covers that they included in the set, but I think it's fair to give them a pass on this first tour. Let's see how things go with their tour next year.

Yes and no. I think you're forgetting Mike always takes pride in "look how many bands I formed, I write the music, I call the shots, I pick the setlists, etc etc". Don't know if this is still happening, but I remember reading that Mike was in charge of the setlists for the Neal Morse tours around the Momentum era, and Neal's prog catalog was quite lenghty and the band quite skilled to do the rotating setlists thing (IIRC, he also picked the songs for the encore medley they were doing on TGA tour).

Sure, most of the bands he's in nowadays only have one or two albums out, but he's always playing covers, rarities, etc, not to count he's in 3 bands with Neal Morse and 2 with Billy Sheehan, there's some potential crossover there. My point here is not to criticize Mike with this, but to point out that the people complaining about DT not rotating setlists anymore and praising Mike for it don't seem to care that none of his other bands have done this, ever. FC played mostly the same songs on this tour thant they played the last time, still no one seems to care. Just my opinion, not a dig on Mike at all.

PS: I'm writing this on the fly, so forgive me if my sentences don't make a lot of sense :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on November 19, 2019, 11:31:05 AM
Yes and no. I think you're forgetting Mike always takes pride in "look how many bands I formed, I write the music, I call the shots, I pick the setlists, etc etc". Don't know if this is still happening, but I remember reading that Mike was in charge of the setlists for the Neal Morse tours around the Momentum era, and Neal's prog catalog was quite lenghty and the band quite skilled to do the rotating setlists thing (IIRC, he also picked the songs for the encore medley they were doing on TGA tour).
MP taking pride in being in many bands at the same time doesn't mean he said "look how many bands I formed, I write the music, I call the shots, I pick the setlists, etc etc" or anything like that - far from it. While he may have been involved in the forming of these bands, he has *always* made it clear that they were completely collaborative, or in some cases, he was basically a session member not having any say at all.

And he even commented in early interviews about SoA that he wasn't necessarily game to be in another band if he wasn't going to be the one taking the lead like he used to in DT. He made it clear that this was something that he missed and wanted to do once again. So with those other bands, even if he wrote the setlists for each tour, it wasn't like he was able to call the shots the way he did in DT or is doing in SoA. 
 
 
FC played mostly the same songs on this tour thant they played the last time, still no one seems to care. Just my opinion, not a dig on Mike at all.
Point taken, but again, do we know that MP was the one that was calling the shots in making the setlist, or did the rest of the guys have an equal say in creating it? If it was the latter, it could easily be explained that the other guys were the ones pushing to play the same songs again that had been featured on the previous tour. If it was strictly up to MP, I highly doubt that would've been the case.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 19, 2019, 11:41:16 AM
It's also a different matter to have rotating setlists with a band that does ten live shows a cycle as opposed to 150 like DT did in the day.   I'm a "rotating setlist" guy but I see absolutely ZERO merit to the "why don't you cry for Flying Colors rotations", because I'm not really a fan of the "87" bands approach either.  I think he's running himself too thin.  I'd rather have the ONE MAIN BAND, with official releases, fan club releases, "Ytsejam-style" releases, and the odd project, than what we have now.   The beauty of DT was it was a band with prog, metal, pop, whatever influences.  Now he's got the "trad prog" project, the "new prog" project, the "pop" project, the "hard rock" project, the "metal" project, the "prog metal" project.... and all the cliches and stereotypes that go along with it. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2019, 12:06:43 PM
The only bands he has been in that toured AFTER his time in Dream Theater that had enough material and enough tour dates to arguably justify rotating set lists would be Neal Morse's band, and maybe Transatlantic.  With TA, you have set lists chock full of LONG epics, and not really enough tour dates that rotating would make much sense.  And in NMB, Mike doesn't call the shots and has never claimed to.  So, yeah, I have to agree with Scotty's take here. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: v_clortho on November 19, 2019, 12:08:51 PM
Not trying to argue on either side here but I could've sworn I saw an interview where Neal talked about Mike coming up with the setlist for the NMB shows.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 19, 2019, 12:20:07 PM
I think Mike has been involved in that, yes.  But that still isn't the same as Neal giving him free rein to rotate the set lists.  I don't think he and the rest of the band buy into that, for various reasons.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2019, 12:31:53 PM
Rotating on the last two NMB tours would have been nearly impossible since the regular sets featured entire (double) albums played from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on November 19, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
Not trying to argue on either side here but I could've sworn I saw an interview where Neal talked about Mike coming up with the setlist for the NMB shows.

Neal talks about that in one of the interviews I did with him: https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/life-and-times-an-inspired-neal-morse-discusses-his-new-solo-album-and-his-other-endeavours-for-2018
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 20, 2019, 12:20:06 AM

Well, that's a personal quirk of Mike's and I agree with you - it was cool and I liked a lot of that about him too.  But is that really so big as to make you like the band less now that he's not there? The other band members can't make themselves be Mike's version of "OCD" and they shouldn't. 

Yeah, actually, for me, it is.  And while you can say "well, Stadler, that's YOU", and I agree, but it's no different than losing faith in a band becuase the keyboard player is more douchey than you'd prefer leading up to an album release. 

I don't agree - that it's "no different."  If you were to say that SoA's music is bad because of a douchey keyboard player, then yeah - that's kind of an issue.  If you were to simply not be interested in investing in it (not making a judgment on how good it is), I'd say that's normal.  It's also normal not to care at all, or something in between.  But the Mike thing, I don't know.  I get that you don't find following them as interesting because they're not Mike, but to be less interested in their music because of it...?  Presumably you already liked their music in the first place.  We're all different so I'm sure there's the possibility of someone genuinely just not liking the songs on the last 4 albums (or the reverse, genuinely only liking the MM material), but I think that would be really really rare.

 
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The point isn't the specific issue, but the general premise that being "Team Mike" (I'm being facetious) is an irrational position to take.   There's a LOT of negative nonsense about Sharon Osbourne, and I could care less about most of it.  What bugs me?  The releases of the catalogue that are incomplete, that leave out songs (in all the re-releases of Blizzard and Diary, "You Said It All" and the live material from 1980 with Randy has never been re-released since the original Mr. Crowley EP, except for "YSIA" on a very rare, very expensive promo CD for Crazy Babies).  That to me is a "fuck you" to the fans.   

Um, I'm not at all up on any of that, but I've heard enough comments to at least ask - isn't Sharon somehow part of leaving that stuff out? 

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I LOVED the Ytsejam releases.  No, I'm not a huge Metallica fan, and so "Master Of Puppets" is sort of a dud in that respect, but it's OUT there, and they DID it.  It's MUSIC.  Not everything has to be for me, specifically, but I can tell you, of my other favorite bands  - Beatles, Zeppelin, Kiss, Maiden, Genesis - there's nothing like it.   The Beatles are now starting to flesh out their catalogue with the "50-year" releases, Zeppelin has been great about putting everything out there, Kiss is, well, Kiss, Maiden is getting there (STILL haven't released the full Soundhouse Tapes, though), Genesis, with fits and starts has finally got most of their stuff out (still waiting for an unredacted live Lamb, and the full tapes from the '76 In Concert) but NO ONE did it in real time like Dream Theater, and I deeply, deeply respect that.   

No arguments there, about the DT stuff anyway.  I think that stuff was super cool, and I own some of it.

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But there's a lot more than just "let's rawk" posts.  Jordan posts a lot of himself playing live - yes, sometimes using an iPad app, but at lot of times on the piano.  I don't watch every time, but but I when I do it's cool and imo very intimate - to just record yourself playing whatever and let people watch it live.  Maybe it's not him talking about his emotions, but I get the feeling that his expresses those through music anyway.  (Also, you'll get to see a cool cat pic every so often. :))  JP posts a lot of pictures - at one of the venues in Canada, you can see a huge Rush starman which is backstage and fans wouldn't otherwise have known, and he makes a comment about the home of his heroes.  He recently posted a very nice thank to everyone who supported them this tour - including braving the weather which resonated with me having to drive through snow for that last show (both ways, probably up hill too!).  Probably none of it would fill the void of how MP was on the forum, but I think you'd find stuff there to be engaged with - on some level at least.

And I'm not an animal.  I like the Jordan stuff.  I like that connection.  He's long said he speaks through his music, and fair enough.  I actually ripped one of the fan club DVDs, and separated out some of the Jordan material that he recorded specifically for the Fan Club and put it on my iPod.   
Of course you're not - even if you *didn't* like the Jordan stuff.  I'm just saying they're doing stuff, and if you're not on social media, you may not realize it or might easily overlook it.  Another thing they're doing is having fan club activity where fans get together before the show and I've recently read that sometimes band members drop-in, which is super cool, and sometimes people win meet and greet passes or merch, which is also really cool.  I think they're really making an effort.

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Yeah, fair is fair; James sang his ass off in the show I saw.   I was really impressed with the performance, and in hindsight, I view it for what it was - an opera - not a "Dream Theater concert" (that's not a bad thing, by the way, its a positive).  I think you're right, I should give them another shot.

Cool beans.  Next time they tour, we're seeing a show.  :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 20, 2019, 12:30:08 AM
Because of James? I've never heard that. They have been pretty clear n their reason on the static setlists from the get go.

Well, but their "interview" answer was always more official sounding - "we think it makes for a better/more consistent show" blah blah.  But that could leave room for speculation, and I've read/heard people thinking it was to make things easier for James.  And actually I also read speculation that MM didn't want to do it.  And maybe they all just like it better this way because it's less work on them, but I found it interesting to learn that it was specifically JP who is pretty adamant about this being the best way. 


Anyhow, on the rotating set lists thing:  Personally, I don't see the need for that.  It was really cool back when they did it.  But them not rotating now doesn't take anything away from how solid the shows have been.  But that said, I personally feel that going back to an A/B format where they have a steady rotation of just a small number of songs like they did on the ADTOE tour would be a nice happy medium.  They kind of have that going on this tour, where they rotate Paralyzed with Fall Into the Light.  But with it only being a single song spot that rotates, it doesn't feel all that different.  If it were 3 songs or so, it would feel a lot more varied, even though in reality, it isn't.  And what I feel even more strongly about is: I also think that keeping the exact same set list when they come back for a second "B market" tour leg is a mistake.  They are trying to make sure all fans in different markets get the same experience.  But I don't think they accept that, overall, they are probably losing ticket sales because people DO travel to see shows, and those markets aren't really that far apart, and they would get more repeat views if they changed things up a bit on subsequent tour legs.  Honestly, I know this is going to come across as kinda arrogant, but I wish they would make me, or Kim, or someone like us their unofficial tour consultants whenever they are putting set lists together.  I think we could point out a lot of things that, from a fan perspective, they just don't realize. 

I see a need for rotating setlists - a lot of fans (ok me) want them! :)  But I also agree 100% with you that it doesn't take away from how great the shows have been, because they really have been.  I also agree that rotating at least 3 songs would be a good middle ground.  I think you're totally right about the B markets though. At Wit's End was enough for me to come back, but maybe not enough for other fans. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2019, 07:45:28 AM
Because of James? I've never heard that. They have been pretty clear n their reason on the static setlists from the get go.

Well, but their "interview" answer was always more official sounding - "we think it makes for a better/more consistent show" blah blah.  But that could leave room for speculation, and I've read/heard people thinking it was to make things easier for James.  And actually I also read speculation that MM didn't want to do it.  And maybe they all just like it better this way because it's less work on them, but I found it interesting to learn that it was specifically JP who is pretty adamant about this being the best way. 

James was talking a little bit about that in Reno after the show, and he seemed pretty open to rotating things a bit.  So, at least within reason, I don't think "making it easier for him" is much of a factor.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 07:50:02 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2019, 08:11:04 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

Yeah, it definitively takes less work to re-learn the lyrics to Octavarium than how to play the whole damn song.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 20, 2019, 08:29:46 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

Yeah, it definitively takes less work to re-learn the lyrics to Octavarium than how to play the whole damn song.

Funny that you mention OV, because James said a few years ago that he definitely wants them to play that one again sometime. I really hope they get to do it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 20, 2019, 08:34:47 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

You know, thats probably why JP likes the static set-lists. He would have to take time to re-learn things, while on the road/hotel/venue when MP decided to play a certain song in a certain place.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 08:47:35 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

You know, thats probably why JP likes the static set-lists. He would have to take time to re-learn things, while on the road/hotel/venue when MP decided to play a certain song in a certain place.

I've always been amazed how they used to do this.  I never understood how they could just play some of these songs with all the solos and be pretty much perfect and then switch it up the next day.  It boggled my mind they were that talented to be able to do that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2019, 08:48:22 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

You know, thats probably why JP likes the static set-lists. He would have to take time to re-learn things, while on the road/hotel/venue when MP decided to play a certain song in a certain place.

Yup.  Although they completely faked me out on the first leg of the tour when they ran through an entire song that is NOT in the set during sound check.  I hadn't looked at the set list because I wanted to be somewhat surprised, so I had no idea what was actually going to be played.  There was actually another visual fake-out in the sound check as well, so I ended up being wrong about two songs (and really confused by the time the show ended).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on November 20, 2019, 09:00:43 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

You know, thats probably why JP likes the static set-lists. He would have to take time to re-learn things, while on the road/hotel/venue when MP decided to play a certain song in a certain place.

I've always been amazed how they used to do this.  I never understood how they could just play some of these songs with all the solos and be pretty much perfect and then switch it up the next day.  It boggled my mind they were that talented to be able to do that.

I remember reading somewhere (maybe DTF) recently that someone asked JP if it was eash for him to remember the songs from the catalog or if he actually had to sit and re-learn all the stuff. He said some of it is muscle memory, but he DOES have to sit through it and re learn all the chalenging material.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 20, 2019, 09:08:41 AM
I don't think the band had to be able to play any song in the catalog at any given show.  I remember reading interviews with MP where he would give everyone a master list of possible songs before the tour, and everyone had to be able to play those.  I don't remember how many songs it was, but it was a defined list rather than anything goes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
I don't think the band had to be able to play any song in the catalog at any given show.  I remember reading interviews with MP where he would give everyone a master list of possible songs before the tour, and everyone had to be able to play those.  I don't remember how many songs it was, but it was a defined list rather than anything goes.

Yeah, you remember right, there definitively was a master list of 25-30 songs and only those songs had a chance of finishing in the actual setlist, as one can surely verify by checking the statistics of a given tour. There were changes but there was a definite roster of songs that were "playing" and songs that were "on the bench", with a song not getting into a setlist if it wasn't  capped first to keep on the sport analogy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 09:19:21 AM
I don't think the band had to be able to play any song in the catalog at any given show.  I remember reading interviews with MP where he would give everyone a master list of possible songs before the tour, and everyone had to be able to play those.  I don't remember how many songs it was, but it was a defined list rather than anything goes.

That makes sense, but it's still doesn't change my opinion on how difficult it must be just because those maybe 30 songs are all so difficult and challenging.  Billy Corgan's tour right now is up to 65 different songs played, but it's solo acoustic.  It's probably much easier for him to pick up some of these songs and swap them in/out.  311 played over 100 songs on their 2016 tour, that I'm still trying to wrap my head around.  They aren't difficult like DT, but they aren't as simple as Billy's but also that's just a crazy large amount.  I don't know how these bands do it sometimes and I can only say it's because they are extremely talented and dedicated.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
I don't agree - that it's "no different."  If you were to say that SoA's music is bad because of a douchey keyboard player, then yeah - that's kind of an issue.  If you were to simply not be interested in investing in it (not making a judgment on how good it is), I'd say that's normal.  It's also normal not to care at all, or something in between.  But the Mike thing, I don't know.  I get that you don't find following them as interesting because they're not Mike, but to be less interested in their music because of it...?  Presumably you already liked their music in the first place.  We're all different so I'm sure there's the possibility of someone genuinely just not liking the songs on the last 4 albums (or the reverse, genuinely only liking the MM material), but I think that would be really really rare.

Well, that's me, at least to a degree, and it's not unusual for me.  I'm a HUGE Michael Schenker fan. BUT, if it's not Gary Barden or Graham Bonnet singing, I'm out.   Literally do not own one MSG record that doesn't have either of those two guys singing.   Deep Purple; the Tommy Bolin years do not exist for me (though, oddly, I do really like the Steve Morse years).   Dio; I have all the Viv Campbell records and the Craig Goldie records.  Couldn't care less about Gus G or Tracy G or whoever is playing (though I will likely give the Doug Aldritch album a go at some point; waiting for the two-CD remasters to be released).  Allman Brothers; if it doesn't have Duane or Warren Haynes on it, I'm out.  Fleetwood Mac; with few exceptions (adequately covered on the four CD box I have) if it doesn't have Buckingham/Nicks, I'm out.  No Scorpions after Herman Ze German left (though that doesn't really have to do with his drumming, it's more a vibe thing). 

It's not that I don't like Mangini; but Portnoy is on my drumming Mt. Rushmore (Bonham, Peart, Collins, Portnoy).  I've written this before: I love how Mike makes 27/14 sound like 4/4, and for me, I don't know if it's the playing or the sound, or what, but the drumming on the last four records just seems so... jarring.   There are songs I like, and the albums are very good, they just don't trigger like some of the MP records.

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Um, I'm not at all up on any of that, but I've heard enough comments to at least ask - isn't Sharon somehow part of leaving that stuff out? 

Well, yeah; I was referring to the stuff about Sharon controlling who Ozzy talks to in media (Ed Trunk always whines about this), demanding that Ozzy get a cut of the Sabbath name (Iommi owned it, but had to rename the Dio band "Heaven And Hell" after the lawsuit; I'm grossly generalizing here), and her part in the Bill Ward thing.  All that is behind the scenes and between Oz, Tony, Geezer, Bill, Ronnie, et al.  Not my business.  But if it's really about the music, don't fuck around with the music, regardless of who is playing it.  When I'm working on my car, or cooking, or driving for work, and I have music on, the lawsuits do not matter, even a little bit. Nor do ambiguous (or not; not looking to re-start something here) tweets.  It's about the notes and words and rhythms. 

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Of course you're not - even if you *didn't* like the Jordan stuff.  I'm just saying they're doing stuff, and if you're not on social media, you may not realize it or might easily overlook it.  Another thing they're doing is having fan club activity where fans get together before the show and I've recently read that sometimes band members drop-in, which is super cool, and sometimes people win meet and greet passes or merch, which is also really cool.  I think they're really making an effort.

See, that to me would be really cool.  I like that kind of stuff.  "Touches" I call them. 

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Cool beans.  Next time they tour, we're seeing a show.  :P

I told you; it's GOING to happen.  Just a matter of when.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 09:26:44 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

Yeah, it definitively takes less work to re-learn the lyrics to Octavarium than how to play the whole damn song.

With a teleprompter, sure.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 09:29:11 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

Yeah, it definitively takes less work to re-learn the lyrics to Octavarium than how to play the whole damn song.

With a teleprompter, sure.  :)

 :lol since that was brought up and I just brought up how it's probably easier for Billy Corgan to do 65 different songs.... he uses an ipad with all the lyrics.  You can clearly see the lyrics in my videos.  I wonder how much he actually reads them though.  Also, Aerosmith had a teleprompter at the Vegas residency show I went too.  I thought that was kind of ridiculous considering how many times has Aerosmith played the same songs.  I captured a shot of the teleprompter in my video as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 09:29:37 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

You know, thats probably why JP likes the static set-lists. He would have to take time to re-learn things, while on the road/hotel/venue when MP decided to play a certain song in a certain place.

I've always been amazed how they used to do this.  I never understood how they could just play some of these songs with all the solos and be pretty much perfect and then switch it up the next day.  It boggled my mind they were that talented to be able to do that.

I'm with you.  I've been trying to learn Hallowed Be Thy Name by Maiden, and it's not the most difficult song on the planet, but it's fast, and if you have to think even a second in between the sections, the whole thing falls apart.  DT has plenty of songs like that, so it's not like you can take a bar or two off and get back into the synch of the song. 

I have a pretty good memory, but I can't do it; there must be some programming or training to do that (though I imagine writing the songs helps in that regard). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on November 20, 2019, 09:33:51 AM
I found that, while generally I'm quite good at remembering many lyrics, my problem is mainly with specific songs. There are songs that, no matter what, I could never get into my head, while other songs I learn the lyrics basically on the fly.

For example I don't think I could be able to ever remember the lyrics from the songs off the Twelve Steps Suite, but I guess I could go through the entire Scenes from a Memory album without losing a beat.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 09:36:55 AM
If I sing the lyrics (while reading them) once I am far more likely to remember them vs just hearing the song many times.  Everyone's different and I'm sure the consistent thing for memorization is repetition.  I'm sure going through the writing and recording process, the repetition is intense so it gets hammered into your head I would imagine.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 09:37:02 AM
As long as they aren't rotating in the vocally challenging songs, I'd think he has it easiest in terms of adjusting to rotating setlists.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think pulling out crazy solos you don't normally play would be harder than to remember the words and melody to the same song.

Yeah, it definitively takes less work to re-learn the lyrics to Octavarium than how to play the whole damn song.

With a teleprompter, sure.  :)

 :lol since that was brought up and I just brought up how it's probably easier for Billy Corgan to do 65 different songs.... he uses an ipad with all the lyrics.  You can clearly see the lyrics in my videos.  I wonder how much he actually reads them though.  Also, Aerosmith had a teleprompter at the Vegas residency show I went too.  I thought that was kind of ridiculous considering how many times has Aerosmith played the same songs.  I captured a shot of the teleprompter in my video as well.

There is a great shot of Ozzy standing on stage behind the teleprompter in the "Reunion" live CD.  That's the first time I ever saw that.

I get it though; when I was singing in my bands back in high school/college, I used to write the first word of the verse (or the first word of the lines in the verse) on my hand or on a paper on the floor to keep them straight.  I remember singing "Where Have All The Good Times Gone" in my band in high school, and in front of the whole school I forgot the fourth verse and just resang various lines from the first three.  I was really pissed but everyone I mentioned it to had zero clue that anything was going on.  :)   

I think that's different for some of the songs we're talking about here though.   I can't imagine getting away with that in a song like Finally Free or something like that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on November 20, 2019, 09:41:29 AM
I found that, while generally I'm quite good at remembering many lyrics, my problem is mainly with specific songs. There are songs that, no matter what, I could never get into my head, while other songs I learn the lyrics basically on the fly.

I can relate to this so much. I believe this forum still remembers my experience with Haken's Cockroach King.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 09:57:08 AM
I remember singing "Where Have All The Good Times Gone" in my band in high school, and in front of the whole school I forgot the fourth verse and just resang various lines from the first three.  I was really pissed but everyone I mentioned it to had zero clue that anything was going on.  :)   

I've definitely seen JLB do this before, and other singers, but usually in those cases everyone notices what just happened  :lol

And to go back to Billy again, he sang the chorus too early in Silvery Sometimes (https://youtu.be/q74my0umcAo?t=137) and stopped the song to joke about it and then started over.  Also blamed the crowd for the fuck up, so funny.  THIS is why I love live music that's not to a click or to a static set.  Going to go down somewhere in my top 10 concert moments this year.

Sorry for bringing him back up into this discussion, just very much in my head today.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on November 20, 2019, 10:02:45 AM
I remember singing "Where Have All The Good Times Gone" in my band in high school, and in front of the whole school I forgot the fourth verse and just resang various lines from the first three.  I was really pissed but everyone I mentioned it to had zero clue that anything was going on.  :)   

I've definitely seen JLB do this before, and other singers, but usually in those cases everyone notices what just happened  :lol

And to go back to Billy again, he sang the chorus too early in Silvery Sometimes (https://youtu.be/q74my0umcAo?t=137) and stopped the song to joke about it and then started over.  Also blamed the crowd for the fuck up, so funny.  THIS is why I love live music that's not to a click or to a static set.  Going to go down somewhere in my top 10 concert moments this year.

Sorry for bringing him back up into this discussion, just very much in my head today.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 20, 2019, 10:04:08 AM
I've never seen that, that's fantastic  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on November 20, 2019, 10:42:43 AM
Nice sounding audience recording too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on November 20, 2019, 03:34:45 PM
I never liked the changing setlists because they could take a song out that I wanted to hear, and replace it with something like Prophets of War, and then next city put the song I wanted to hear back in, or my city's setlist is overall mediocre, and then next stop has all five star songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on November 21, 2019, 07:14:47 AM
I remember singing "Where Have All The Good Times Gone" in my band in high school, and in front of the whole school I forgot the fourth verse and just resang various lines from the first three.  I was really pissed but everyone I mentioned it to had zero clue that anything was going on.  :)   

I've definitely seen JLB do this before, and other singers, but usually in those cases everyone notices what just happened  :lol

And to go back to Billy again, he sang the chorus too early in Silvery Sometimes (https://youtu.be/q74my0umcAo?t=137) and stopped the song to joke about it and then started over.  Also blamed the crowd for the fuck up, so funny.  THIS is why I love live music that's not to a click or to a static set.  Going to go down somewhere in my top 10 concert moments this year.

Sorry for bringing him back up into this discussion, just very much in my head today.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol

John Lennon did that on the famous rooftop concert during "Don't Let Me Down" (and he even had an Apple assistant kneeling down with cue cards during the set!).   David Lee was always good for that as well ("I take a mooba lada lookin for a moobie" instead of "Yeah, I've seen the people that are lookin' for a moonbeam" in "Everybody Wants Some").

When I saw Kiss at Madison Square Garden on their reunion tour - the homecoming gig - Gene forgot a line or two from "Let Me Go Rock 'n' Roll", and it was actually pretty cool.  It was raw, and it was real. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2019, 07:17:09 AM
There was some release of Metallica with live songs in the past 10 years (I think) where during Ride The Lightning, just sings "I forgot the f****king words"

And that one made it on an official release.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 21, 2019, 07:51:27 AM
There was some release of Metallica with live songs in the past 10 years (I think) where during Ride The Lightning, just sings "I forgot the f****king words"

And that one made it on an official release.

There's something similar on a Devin Townsend live album too, can't recall off my head which song or which live album but he messes up the lyrics and acknowledges it in the song and it made the official release. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on November 21, 2019, 08:32:33 AM
I saw Queensryche on the Hear and Now Frontier tour in West Palm Beach FL, and at 1:33 in Sign of The Times, Chris DeGarmo is supposed to come in with that guitar by himself, but does not.  The whole band is just sitting there waiting and looking at him.  They laugh a bit, and Chris starts the riff and the song goes on.  It was pretty funny.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2019, 08:46:48 AM
There was some release of Metallica with live songs in the past 10 years (I think) where during Ride The Lightning, just sings "I forgot the f****king words"

And that one made it on an official release.

There's something similar on a Devin Townsend live album too, can't recall off my head which song or which live album but he messes up the lyrics and acknowledges it in the song and it made the official release.

Dev also did that during Deep Peace where he tells the audience to sing for a bit so he can find the right guitar patch haha.

Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on November 21, 2019, 08:52:58 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics Lilium Cruentus.

I'm not sure I even understand what that sentence means, so I'm not surprised that it isn't talked about much.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 21, 2019, 10:04:12 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.
I think it doesn't get talked about much because at that time the lyrics for the whole album weren't finished so I (and probably other people) figured Daniel was just ad-libbing the unfinished part, rather than messing up the finished part.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol
Lol I died  :lol Does anyone know of that video late in the MP years, where they are playing PMU and everyone starts fucking up and JLB says "we only did this song about 3000 fucking times"?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.
I think it doesn't get talked about much because at that time the lyrics for the whole album weren't finished so I (and probably other people) figured Daniel was just ad-libbing the unfinished part, rather than messing up the finished part.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol
Lol I died  :lol Does anyone know of that video late in the MP years, where they are playing PMU and everyone starts fucking up and JLB says "we only did this song about 3000 fucking times"?

Oh I think it was actual Johann who messed it up and Daniel started off with the right lyrics but switched to the wrong ones quickly when he realize Johann was doing it wrong.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 21, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics Lilium Cruentus.

I'm not sure I even understand what that sentence means, so I'm not surprised that it isn't talked about much.  :lol


Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause of the leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics Lilium Cruentus.

I'm not sure I even understand what that sentence means, so I'm not surprised that it isn't talked about much.  :lol


Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause of the leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.

OIC
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 21, 2019, 10:23:05 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.
I think it doesn't get talked about much because at that time the lyrics for the whole album weren't finished so I (and probably other people) figured Daniel was just ad-libbing the unfinished part, rather than messing up the finished part.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol
Lol I died  :lol Does anyone know of that video late in the MP years, where they are playing PMU and everyone starts fucking up and JLB says "we only did this song about 3000 fucking times"?

Oh I think it was actual Johann who messed it up and Daniel started off with the right lyrics but switched to the wrong ones quickly when he realize Johann was doing it wrong.

I'm gonna listen to it now. Never noticed really.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Evermind on November 21, 2019, 10:29:50 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.

I'm not a big fan of Be, but I think I'll rewatch this just to see this. Never noticed that. Although I probably only watched it once or twice and I don't know the lyrics anyway.

Lol I died  :lol Does anyone know of that video late in the MP years, where they are playing PMU and everyone starts fucking up and JLB says "we only did this song about 3000 fucking times"?

Can't find one during MP years, but here's something similar from ADTOE tour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u5h1Ioqx2ZU#t=134)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on November 21, 2019, 10:33:41 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.
I think it doesn't get talked about much because at that time the lyrics for the whole album weren't finished so I (and probably other people) figured Daniel was just ad-libbing the unfinished part, rather than messing up the finished part.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol
Lol I died  :lol Does anyone know of that video late in the MP years, where they are playing PMU and everyone starts fucking up and JLB says "we only did this song about 3000 fucking times"?

Oh I think it was actual Johann who messed it up and Daniel started off with the right lyrics but switched to the wrong ones quickly when he realize Johann was doing it wrong.

I'm gonna listen to it now. Never noticed really.

Yea, it's supposed to be "Life seems too small, when death takes it's toll, I need something to blame for this pain" which I think they got right the 2nd time around, but the first time (2nd half) it's "Life seems too small, when death takes this pain"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on November 21, 2019, 10:48:03 AM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics in Lilium Cruentus.
I think it doesn't get talked about much because at that time the lyrics for the whole album weren't finished so I (and probably other people) figured Daniel was just ad-libbing the unfinished part, rather than messing up the finished part.

Alternatively, you can do this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW2GYfSwqw&feature=youtu.be&t=1916) which still makes me laugh five years after the fact :lol
Lol I died  :lol Does anyone know of that video late in the MP years, where they are playing PMU and everyone starts fucking up and JLB says "we only did this song about 3000 fucking times"?

Oh I think it was actual Johann who messed it up and Daniel started off with the right lyrics but switched to the wrong ones quickly when he realize Johann was doing it wrong.

I'm gonna listen to it now. Never noticed really.

Yea, it's supposed to be "Life seems too small, when death takes it's toll, I need something to blame for this pain" which I think they got right the 2nd time around, but the first time (2nd half) it's "Life seems too small, when death takes this pain"

Just heard it while looking at lyrics from the studio album. I haven't listened to that version much, but forgot how much that song changed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on November 23, 2019, 03:09:07 PM
I feel like one important thing is missing from the rotating set list discussion - Dream Theater did the rotating set lists not only to play different songs in different cities but also to also make sure that the same city on multiple tours didn't get repeats. Didn't catch Root Of All Evil on the Octavarium tour? Then there might be a high chance it would be played on the tour after that.

That, to me, was always super cool and encouraged going to see them on every single tour.

Another reason I say Dream Theater fans were spoiled with the set lists.

I will always say it. You east coast guys are fortunate to get 2 legs at not-so-distant venues, and choose which one to attend.

I enjoyed that Portnoy decided to do this with the sets. But currently, I'm enjoying the sets DT are churning out.

Always the first one to say I'm spoiled by Dream Theater. Never denied that. Being in the New York/Philly has never been lost on me just how fortunate that is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: noxon on November 25, 2019, 07:35:12 AM
The "make sure same city don't get repeats" is a problem that appears -because- of rotating setlists. If each tour has one, or maybe two, defined setlists, the rotation of songs to play becomes much easier.... :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on December 11, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
Does Portnoy still maintain a master schedule of all of his projects somewhere? A search only shows stuff back to '18?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: vtgrad on December 11, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics Lilium Cruentus.

I'm not sure I even understand what that sentence means, so I'm not surprised that it isn't talked about much.  :lol


Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause of the leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.

... I would like to leave the room now.

Yesss Sir.

And if you dooooo... and if you dooooo.   :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 11, 2019, 03:09:47 PM
Does Portnoy still maintain a master schedule of all of his projects somewhere? A search only shows stuff back to '18?

His FB:

https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/2639127959438163?__tn__=K-R
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on December 12, 2019, 05:15:45 AM
Damn he is a busy dude.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on December 12, 2019, 06:25:59 PM
Does Portnoy still maintain a master schedule of all of his projects somewhere? A search only shows stuff back to '18?

His FB:

https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/2639127959438163?__tn__=K-R
Thanks.

I was hoping for 2020. You'd think he'd just continue updating as he plans stuff. Sneak preview? WTF?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on December 18, 2019, 06:09:11 PM
Does Portnoy still maintain a master schedule of all of his projects somewhere? A search only shows stuff back to '18?

His FB:

https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/2639127959438163?__tn__=K-R
Thanks.

I was hoping for 2020. You'd think he'd just continue updating as he plans stuff. Sneak preview? WTF?

Have to figure that's on his to-do list before the year is out. (Unless things are really that unsettled.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 20, 2019, 02:37:50 PM
I just did an interview with MP covering a lot of the new SOA album and a recap of all his other endeavours. It'll likely be published early next week, and I'll post it here!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on December 20, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
Sweet, I really enjoyed your DS interview so I look forward to reading this one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on December 20, 2019, 05:21:40 PM
I asked him about his relationship with Derek, TWD, Transatlantic, NMB, Metal Allegiance, his album with Bobby Blitz, his choices of best albums, movies and series of the year etc. A lot to talk about in only half an hour, but we did it!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on December 21, 2019, 01:39:37 AM
I asked him about his relationship with Derek

Damn, good for them. I'm sure they'll be happy together. :heart
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on December 29, 2019, 05:16:48 AM
Did not see this posted anywhere.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUOnH1bVx0E

Portnoy struggling to keep up naming Beatles songs with his daughter.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on December 29, 2019, 07:42:55 AM
Five seconds into the video, is his daughter chugging wine while sitting right next to him?  That seems odd.  The few recovering alcoholics I have known, their families always made a point to not drink in front of them out of courtesy.  Just making an observation, not judging.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on December 29, 2019, 09:12:36 AM
Five seconds into the video, is his daughter chugging wine while sitting right next to him?  That seems odd.  The few recovering alcoholics I have known, their families always made a point to not drink in front of them out of courtesy.  Just making an observation, not judging.

His touring lifestyle probably puts him in proximity of booze constantly so maybe he's just learned to avoid the temptation. Wasn't there some SoA tour bus video where the bus was stocked with whisky for JSS? I'm guessing he's probably comfortable enough to be around it without needing it as it seems like quite a large demand for a "no alcohol" policy at stuff like parties/holidays.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on December 29, 2019, 09:25:50 AM
I'll say that my dad's been sober for almost 30 years and my mom, my sister, and I have never not had a beer or a glass of wine just because he's around. It might be one thing if he was newly in the program and just out of rehab or something, but for someone who's been sober as long as he has I'd be worried if he couldn't deal with people indulging around him (especially considering his line of work). And it seemed like just a normal sip of wine, to me chugging has more of a negative, "drinking an inappropriate amount" connotation.

edit:

Five seconds into the video, is his daughter chugging wine while sitting right next to him?  That seems odd.  The few recovering alcoholics I have known, their families always made a point to not drink in front of them out of courtesy.  Just making an observation, not judging.

His touring lifestyle probably puts him in proximity of booze constantly so maybe he's just learned to avoid the temptation. Wasn't there some SoA tour bus video where the bus was stocked with whisky for JSS? I'm guessing he's probably comfortable enough to be around it without needing it as it seems like quite a large demand for a "no alcohol" policy at stuff like parties/holidays.

Yeah, I know Billy Sheehan is always posting about wine when he's out on tour as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on December 29, 2019, 09:56:41 AM
Thanks for those posts, fellas. Gave me some new and interesting perspective.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on December 29, 2019, 12:09:30 PM
I'll say that my dad's been sober for almost 30 years and my mom, my sister, and I have never not had a beer or a glass of wine just because he's around. It might be one thing if he was newly in the program and just out of rehab or something, but for someone who's been sober as long as he has I'd be worried if he couldn't deal with people indulging around him (especially considering his line of work).

Yeah, of course I don't know him personally nor I have experience with ex-addicts buy my general impression was this one: he simply got over it and he no longer has the urge or the temptation. He's an adult man dealing with other adults, if someone don't know this detail about him when actually meeting him to work, a simple "no, thanks, I'm a recovering alcholic, I'll never drink again" will do to have any bandmember drop the invitation to drink along with them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on December 29, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
That video is awesome, Melody truly knows The Beatles well. I can imagine she would destroy Neal Morse if she played the game with him.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on December 29, 2019, 05:32:03 PM
Also, doesn't get talked about much but on BE live by PoS, they mess up the lyrics Lilium Cruentus.

I'm not sure I even understand what that sentence means, so I'm not surprised that it isn't talked about much.  :lol


Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause of the leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.

... I would like to leave the room now.

Yesss Sir.

And if you dooooo... and if you dooooo.   :lol

 :rollin

Didn't somebody wearing my uniform and bearing a striking resemblance to myself just say that that kind of music was inappropriate?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 30, 2019, 08:25:22 AM
I'll say that my dad's been sober for almost 30 years and my mom, my sister, and I have never not had a beer or a glass of wine just because he's around. It might be one thing if he was newly in the program and just out of rehab or something, but for someone who's been sober as long as he has I'd be worried if he couldn't deal with people indulging around him (especially considering his line of work).

Yeah, of course I don't know him personally nor I have experience with ex-addicts buy my general impression was this one: he simply got over it and he no longer has the urge or the temptation. He's an adult man dealing with other adults, if someone don't know this detail about him when actually meeting him to work, a simple "no, thanks, I'm a recovering alcholic, I'll never drink again" will do to have any bandmember drop the invitation to drink along with them.

This June will be 12 years sober for me....and, I do not care one bit if people are drinking around me. Near all my buddies drink around me....family members....it just doesn't cross my mind to take a drink if I see someone drinking. I'd imagine that MP has something similar to where it just doesn't bother him and if it did then certainly his daughter would know and wouldn't be drinking in front of him.

Where I HAVE been tempted in these past (11+) years is when I'm alone and I get into my own head and try to convince myself that 'surely you've come so far now and clearly have "control" over this....you could have one or two drinks with your buddies".....

I am not a 'one or two drink' person. If it's one it's then 70 more. Thus....I just don't drink any longer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Podaar on December 30, 2019, 09:17:26 AM
Five seconds into the video, is his daughter chugging wine while sitting right next to him?  That seems odd.  The few recovering alcoholics I have known, their families always made a point to not drink in front of them out of courtesy.  Just making an observation, not judging.

Chugging? Seriously?

She sips something pinkish out of a white wine glass. It could have been anything... Christmas punch, cranberry juice and ginger ale, or any number of festive holiday non-alcohol drinks. Yes, it easily could be a blush wine too, but the assumption that it's alcohol along with mischaracterizing her consumption seems a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on December 30, 2019, 11:11:06 AM
I had a friend over and watched the Plovdiv dvd. She had never heard SOA before and actually liked the show. When JSS introduced MP,   she asked me "did he say Mike Pork-loin"?    Anyway we got a good laugh.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on December 31, 2019, 02:39:11 AM
Five seconds into the video, is his daughter chugging wine while sitting right next to him?  That seems odd.  The few recovering alcoholics I have known, their families always made a point to not drink in front of them out of courtesy.  Just making an observation, not judging.

Chugging? Seriously?

She sips something pinkish out of a white wine glass. It could have been anything... Christmas punch, cranberry juice and ginger ale, or any number of festive holiday non-alcohol drinks. Yes, it easily could be a blush wine too, but the assumption that it's alcohol along with mischaracterizing her consumption seems a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?

The whole discussion is ludicrous. MP shares a lovely, familial Christmas video featuring his daughter, and, instead of discussing how charming it is, we focus on Melody's one sip. Just... good grief.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on December 31, 2019, 04:32:10 AM
Lets not give Kev such a drilling, he asked a question and thanked for the reply. I also don't think it is a big deal, it's the Holidays and stuff, the family likes a drink for a Holiday, and I guess Mike understands and doesn't mind.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on December 31, 2019, 12:49:32 PM
Thanks, Mladen. :)

All good on my end, I was just merely curious.

I did watch the whole video, and he got taken to school by his daughter.  Some wondered how she would do against Neal Morse, but Portnoy kicked Neal's butt, so I am pretty sure Neal would not do well against Melody.

I would crush it in a "name that tune" contest that involved Rush or Dream Theater. :coolio :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on December 31, 2019, 01:32:40 PM
Yeah, I didn't read Kev's post or the ensuing ones as "making a big deal" out of it either. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 02, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
I'll add that my sister and her husband are sober, while we won't ever bring booze into their home when we are out or at someone elses house, they have no issue with us all drinking in front of them.  I do understand it's different for different people so one could find that odd, but let's remember MP tours with metal bands who drink all the time.  If he can stay sober on the road, his daughter drinking near him isn't likely going to bother him much.

I've actually always wondered if the drinking around MP had bothered him, like it must have been a difficult situation when he was in A7X, and even SOA when JSS and BF booze a bit, even on stage, but at least MP has Billy in SOA who I believe is also sober.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nathan Explosion on January 02, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
I know Mike talks to and occasionally hangs out with Jordan and JP but it made me happy to see he hung out with John Myung on New Year's Eve.

(https://i.ibb.co/yptBj4f/Screenshot-20200102-213951-Facebook.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 02, 2020, 11:16:11 PM
Yeah that’s cool. Next years’ eve he will be hanging out with Labrie and Mangini
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on January 03, 2020, 06:30:28 AM
Warms the cockles, that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on January 03, 2020, 07:28:09 AM
Damn, didn’t ever expect him to be on friendly terms with Myung again. I’m pretty sure they live really close to each other so that probably helped as opposed to LaBrie who is likely too distant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 03, 2020, 09:01:24 AM
What's the "Joe Hoyle" reference (I can't find the original quote/feed/whatever it's called)?

I don't really put much stock in these things, because for me it's all about what happens when the lights are off, the phones are down, and the microphones are off, and I'm not one to care how other people conduct themselves in their personal relationships, but to me the Myung thing is news; that's to my knowledge the first acknowledgement that there has been some reparation in that relationship (which, as some might recall, seemed to be a factor in the events of 2010).

Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nathan Explosion on January 03, 2020, 09:18:08 AM
What's the "Joe Hoyle" reference (I can't find the original quote/feed/whatever it's called)?

Mike was just replying to Joe who asked if he had talked to the other guys.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 03, 2020, 09:27:37 AM
Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.

They were best pals around the IAW era (or so I've read), and if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 03, 2020, 09:45:56 AM
Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.

 if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.
Well that's fitting..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 03, 2020, 10:00:34 AM
Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.

They were best pals around the IAW era (or so I've read), and if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.

I think that James was really upset with that conference call with MP and JP when both complained about James' performance, and from there on, it was never the same. Pure speculation on my part, but I think there's some truth to that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 03, 2020, 10:21:44 AM
Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.

They were best pals around the IAW era (or so I've read), and if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.

I think that James was really upset with that conference call with MP and JP when both complained about James' performance, and from there on, it was never the same. Pure speculation on my part, but I think there's some truth to that.

Is that in "Lifting Shadows"?  Why the animosity then for Mike and not John? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 03, 2020, 11:41:30 AM
I know Mike talks to and occasionally hangs out with Jordan and JP but it made me happy to see he hung out with John Myung on New Year's Eve.
Cool to see! Thanks for sharing!
 
 
They were best pals around the IAW era (or so I've read), and if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.
Yes, they were extremely close in the early days. But to say that things went south (as in implying that MP and JL's relationship started to fail) is simply hypothesizing. Yes, THE BAND spoke to JL about his performance level not being what it used to be, and they gave him an ultimatum to improve or leave, but just because MP is the one who spoke about it in Lifting Shadows, this does not mean JP nor the other guys weren't also in agreement. In fact, since JP is the most concerned about having consistent performances from show to show, I'd wager he felt just as strongly as MP about JL's need to step up his game. Even then, if you read that account in Lifting Shadows, you will see that there were more disagreements between MP and JL long before the shape up or ship out conference call. So theoretically, it could go back even earlier. But I don't believe that was the case. More than likely it seemed that their relationship began to fracture later, around the time of the tour for BCaSL.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 03, 2020, 11:46:57 AM
Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.

They were best pals around the IAW era (or so I've read), and if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.

I believe they were good friends through FII and SFAM is where it started to sour. From Lifting Shadows they mentioned a time when Mike told James that he was going to have Theresa sing the "move on be brave" part during TSCO at a show and they almost came to blows.

SDOIT was when it probably got REALLY bad.
Interesting if there's ever going to be a thaw with LaBrie.  They WERE friends at one point.

They were best pals around the IAW era (or so I've read), and if I'm not mistaken, things started to go south in around the SDOIT era.

I think that James was really upset with that conference call with MP and JP when both complained about James' performance, and from there on, it was never the same. Pure speculation on my part, but I think there's some truth to that.

Is that in "Lifting Shadows"?  Why the animosity then for Mike and not John? 

I've mentioned this a lot in the past but I think that call was 95-99% Mike. I've noticed Mike is quick to take credit for a lot of things unless it is controversial, then it is a "we" decision. If you look at the quotes in Lifting Shadows (as well as all of Mike's comments publicly, online, etc), he had a big problem with James and it doesn't seem like the others did. The only comments in Lifting Shadows were Jordan saying that he was too new to have an opinion, Myung didn't comment at all, Mike was really bothered by James, and John was very passive in his criticism of James. From memory, all John had to say was, "We wanted to ask James, 'are you even into this anymore'?" He mentioned that James seemed to be in a bad mood a lot and they were concerned about him. I don't think John even mentioned looking for a different singer, wanting a different direction, etc. Makes me wonder if Mike made one of his patented exhaustive arguments, that by his own admission, he wouldn't drop until other people went along with. John may have finally been like, "all right, I can agree we need to talk to him" but never had any intention of ever asking him to leave unless things got much, much worse.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 03, 2020, 12:10:50 PM

Yes, they were extremely close in the early days. But to say that things went south (as in implying that MP and JL's relationship started to fail) is simply hypothesizing. Yes, THE BAND spoke to JL about his performance level not being what it used to be, and they gave him an ultimatum to improve or leave, but just because MP is the one who spoke about it in Lifting Shadows, this does not mean JP nor the other guys weren't also in agreement. In fact, since JP is the most concerned about having consistent performances from show to show, I'd wager he felt just as strongly as MP about JL's need to step up his game. Even then, if you read that account in Lifting Shadows, you will see that there were more disagreements between MP and JL long before the shape up or ship out conference call. So theoretically, it could go back even earlier. But I don't believe that was the case. More than likely it seemed that their relationship began to fracture later, around the time of the tour for BCaSL.

What happened around the tour for BC&SL between the two?



I've mentioned this a lot in the past but I think that call was 95-99% Mike. I've noticed Mike is quick to take credit for a lot of things unless it is controversial, then it is a "we" decision. If you look at the quotes in Lifting Shadows (as well as all of Mike's comments publicly, online, etc), he had a big problem with James and it doesn't seem like the others did. The only comments in Lifting Shadows were Jordan saying that he was too new to have an opinion, Myung didn't comment at all, Mike was really bothered by James, and John was very passive in his criticism of James. From memory, all John had to say was, "We wanted to ask James, 'are you even into this anymore'?" He mentioned that James seemed to be in a bad mood a lot and they were concerned about him. I don't think John even mentioned looking for a different singer, wanting a different direction, etc. Makes me wonder if Mike made one of his patented exhaustive arguments, that by his own admission, he wouldn't drop until other people went along with. John may have finally been like, "all right, I can agree we need to talk to him" but never had any intention of ever asking him to leave unless things got much, much worse.

That reminds me of his post (I think it was on his forum, but it's hard to remember) in the later 00's where he said he and the band talked about Kevin Moore and Space Dye Vest one night and they all agreed both were overrated, and my thought was always he was probably very verbal about it, and the rest of the band, not wanting to argue about it, probably laughed or nodded, and he took that as total agreement.  Of course I was not there, but given the kind words JLB and JP have had about Moore over the years combined with the fact that Space Dye Vest was played every night on the Along for the Ride tour, it just isn't believable that the entire band agreed with him on that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 04, 2020, 01:43:41 PM


That reminds me of his post (I think it was on his forum, but it's hard to remember) in the later 00's where he said he and the band talked about Kevin Moore and Space Dye Vest one night and they all agreed both were overrated, and my thought was always he was probably very verbal about it, and the rest of the band, not wanting to argue about it, probably laughed or nodded, and he took that as total agreement.  Of course I was not there, but given the kind words JLB and JP have had about Moore over the years combined with the fact that Space Dye Vest was played every night on the Along for the Ride tour, it just isn't believable that the entire band agreed with him on that.

Ya know, they may have just said that to not start an argument but I also don't doubt that they do agree with that. Of course, him broadcasting that opinion in no way respects the substance of the rest of their opinions regarding the song. Did they follow it up with, "But we should still play it sometime." Were they saying that compared to Metropolis or In the Name of God that SDV was overrated? Did they think that but not want to bring it up because of the can of worms that it would open? Just shows how unnecessary his comments could be and how his "I do this for the fans!" mentality really boils down to, "I do this for me and hope the fans also appreciate it" which do be fair, often happens. But to be real, it doesn't always. The fans wanted SDV and he, and only he, didn't.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 04, 2020, 02:07:45 PM
I know Mike talks to and occasionally hangs out with Jordan and JP but it made me happy to see he hung out with John Myung on New Year's Eve.

(https://i.ibb.co/yptBj4f/Screenshot-20200102-213951-Facebook.jpg)

That's cool! three down, one to go!

Really, of course they're all adults and they're entitled to have the friendships they like and leave beside people they don't like, but I want MP and James on good speaking terms way more than I want Mike back in DT again. In fact, I don't want him back in DT at all, and I don't mean it in a petty sense - I never wanted him to leave back in the first place.... but he left, I moved on and so did the band; all things being equal I would have liked the band to stay the same, it didn't happen, and now I want the current version of DT to stay the same.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 04, 2020, 03:53:52 PM
In fact, I don't want him back in DT at all, and I don't mean it in a petty sense - I never wanted him to leave back in the first place.... but he left, I moved on and so did the band; all things being equal I would have liked the band to stay the same, it didn't happen, and now I want the current version of DT to stay the same.

Well put. This is exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on January 04, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Did not see this posted anywhere.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUOnH1bVx0E

Portnoy struggling to keep up naming Beatles songs with his daughter.

Have to admit I was a bit surprised that it wasn't even remotely close. But it kind of makes sense because of the reaction time deficit.

She'd still probably kill 80 to 90 percent of Beatles fans from her generation though. Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on January 04, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
I know Mike talks to and occasionally hangs out with Jordan and JP but it made me happy to see he hung out with John Myung on New Year's Eve.

(https://i.ibb.co/yptBj4f/Screenshot-20200102-213951-Facebook.jpg)

That's a video I wouldn't mind seeing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 04, 2020, 07:58:08 PM


That reminds me of his post (I think it was on his forum, but it's hard to remember) in the later 00's where he said he and the band talked about Kevin Moore and Space Dye Vest one night and they all agreed both were overrated, and my thought was always he was probably very verbal about it, and the rest of the band, not wanting to argue about it, probably laughed or nodded, and he took that as total agreement.  Of course I was not there, but given the kind words JLB and JP have had about Moore over the years combined with the fact that Space Dye Vest was played every night on the Along for the Ride tour, it just isn't believable that the entire band agreed with him on that.

Ya know, they may have just said that to not start an argument but I also don't doubt that they do agree with that. Of course, him broadcasting that opinion in no way respects the substance of the rest of their opinions regarding the song. Did they follow it up with, "But we should still play it sometime." Were they saying that compared to Metropolis or In the Name of God that SDV was overrated? Did they think that but not want to bring it up because of the can of worms that it would open? Just shows how unnecessary his comments could be and how his "I do this for the fans!" mentality really boils down to, "I do this for me and hope the fans also appreciate it" which do be fair, often happens. But to be real, it doesn't always. The fans wanted SDV and he, and only he, didn't.

Oh, I am sure the band would have agreed with the "Kevin Moore is overrated" narrative if it was framed to them at the time by Portnoy as "DT fans online think we haven't been great since Kev left," or something to that effect, since the band was obviously not going to think that their best was more than 10 years prior.   And since Portnoy, by his own admission, focuses on the biggest criticism, even if it is a tiny one in a sea of praise, I have no doubt that his spin to the band at the time was something to that effect where the band probably did think, "Yeah, those DT fans are crazy to think anything like that."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 06, 2020, 08:18:51 AM
My interview with Mike was published today on Sonic Perspectives. Check it out on the link below:


https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-mike-portnoy/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2020, 08:49:41 AM
Regarding Kevin Moore, I will point out that he was one of JP's closest friends growing up, and even though they may have grown apart, I still get the sense that John holds him in VERY high regard.  So I highly doubt he, for one, would have been on the "KM is overrated" bandwagon.  I can't claim to know John Petrucci well.  But from my interactions with him, here's one thing I have observed about his personality:  He is very much a leader and has very strong opinions on things.  But at the same time, he isn't the type of person who often feels the need to assert his opinions if he doesn't see a need to.  Publicly, he much prefers to stay away from ANYTHING controversial, and if asked something controversial, will instead deflect from the controversy and say things that are very professional, uplifting, and classy.  But if asked the same thing privately, and if it is something he feels strongly about, although he will STILL be professional, uplifting, and 100% classy, he will not shy away from being direct and showing how passionate he is about whatever the subject is.  He's just very kind and intensely loyal, but keeps a pretty firm wall between his public and private personas and is pretty careful about what he lets out into the public domain.  And although I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here on the public vs. private thing, my main point is in how, from what I have seen, even if he is passionate about something, if he does not see a reason to speak up and challenge something, and believes it to be in the best interests of everyone involved, I think he often subordinates his own feelings and just keeps them to himself if there is nothing to be gained.  So I could very well see him taking that approach with the KM discussion and just keeping quiet.  He feels how he feels about KM, and nothing will change that, and probably just felt (and feels) that it isn't really his job to jump into that discussion.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 06, 2020, 08:59:20 AM
He is very much a leader and has very strong opinions on things.  But at the same time, he isn't the type of person who often feels the need to assert his opinions if he doesn't see a need to.  Publicly, he much prefers to stay away from ANYTHING controversial, and if asked something controversial, will instead deflect from the controversy and say things that are very professional, uplifting, and classy.  But if asked the same thing privately, and if it is something he feels strongly about, although he will STILL be professional, uplifting, and 100% classy, he will not shy away from being direct and showing how passionate he is about whatever the subject is.  He's just very kind and intensely loyal, but keeps a pretty firm wall between his public and private personas and is pretty careful about what he lets out into the public domain. 

Sounds like he figured out pretty damn good how to handle fame and being in the spotlight  :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 06, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Regarding Kevin Moore, I will point out that he was one of JP's closest friends growing up, and even though they may have grown apart, I still get the sense that John holds him in VERY high regard.  So I highly doubt he, for one, would have been on the "KM is overrated" bandwagon.  I can't claim to know John Petrucci well.  But from my interactions with him, here's one thing I have observed about his personality:  He is very much a leader and has very strong opinions on things.  But at the same time, he isn't the type of person who often feels the need to assert his opinions if he doesn't see a need to.  Publicly, he much prefers to stay away from ANYTHING controversial, and if asked something controversial, will instead deflect from the controversy and say things that are very professional, uplifting, and classy.  But if asked the same thing privately, and if it is something he feels strongly about, although he will STILL be professional, uplifting, and 100% classy, he will not shy away from being direct and showing how passionate he is about whatever the subject is.  He's just very kind and intensely loyal, but keeps a pretty firm wall between his public and private personas and is pretty careful about what he lets out into the public domain.  And although I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here on the public vs. private thing, my main point is in how, from what I have seen, even if he is passionate about something, if he does not see a reason to speak up and challenge something, and believes it to be in the best interests of everyone involved, I think he often subordinates his own feelings and just keeps them to himself if there is nothing to be gained.  So I could very well see him taking that approach with the KM discussion and just keeping quiet.  He feels how he feels about KM, and nothing will change that, and probably just felt (and feels) that it isn't really his job to jump into that discussion.

You don't have to answer this (and I'm certainly not asking you to betray confidences of any kind) but is your "Public v. Private" limited to the transfer of information or also the opinions themselves?  Meaning, I get it that he is very careful about what he puts out there, but is he also Steve Harris-esque, in that he may have strong, positive feelings for a person, but the "band decisions" are not "personal decisions"?   I'm talking more "Personal v. Professional" than "Public v. Private", but they are closely related.

I'm of the opinion that the best bands have to have that sort of wall between personal and professional.  There are very few exceptions to that; Def Leppard (vis-a-vis Steve Clark), maybe The Beatles, maybe Rush.  But there are more examples of the opposite:  Maiden (Harris is reportedly on at least good if not great terms with most of the former members of Maiden), Bon Jovi, Bruce Springsteen, The Stones, The Dead, Sabbath, Genesis, Billy Joel, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, The Kinks, Kiss, Pearl Jam, where there is a benign dictator/CEO that makes the hard decisions in the best interest of the band, if not for the individual members themselves.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on January 06, 2020, 09:17:55 AM
My interview with Mike was published today on Sonic Perspectives. Check it out on the link below:


https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-mike-portnoy/

Thank you for posting. He is definitively keeping himself busy with all these projects he is a part of.

Interesting that he said he would rather be an opening band instead of the headliner band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2020, 09:20:06 AM
Regarding Kevin Moore, I will point out that he was one of JP's closest friends growing up, and even though they may have grown apart, I still get the sense that John holds him in VERY high regard.  So I highly doubt he, for one, would have been on the "KM is overrated" bandwagon.  I can't claim to know John Petrucci well.  But from my interactions with him, here's one thing I have observed about his personality:  He is very much a leader and has very strong opinions on things.  But at the same time, he isn't the type of person who often feels the need to assert his opinions if he doesn't see a need to.  Publicly, he much prefers to stay away from ANYTHING controversial, and if asked something controversial, will instead deflect from the controversy and say things that are very professional, uplifting, and classy.  But if asked the same thing privately, and if it is something he feels strongly about, although he will STILL be professional, uplifting, and 100% classy, he will not shy away from being direct and showing how passionate he is about whatever the subject is.  He's just very kind and intensely loyal, but keeps a pretty firm wall between his public and private personas and is pretty careful about what he lets out into the public domain.  And although I'm going off on a bit of a tangent here on the public vs. private thing, my main point is in how, from what I have seen, even if he is passionate about something, if he does not see a reason to speak up and challenge something, and believes it to be in the best interests of everyone involved, I think he often subordinates his own feelings and just keeps them to himself if there is nothing to be gained.  So I could very well see him taking that approach with the KM discussion and just keeping quiet.  He feels how he feels about KM, and nothing will change that, and probably just felt (and feels) that it isn't really his job to jump into that discussion.

You don't have to answer this (and I'm certainly not asking you to betray confidences of any kind) but is your "Public v. Private" limited to the transfer of information or also the opinions themselves? 

Well, I'll just say this:  I don't think anything he puts out there in the public domain is contrary to how he feels in private, at least not that I've seen.  But I think he publicly downplays how strongly he may feel about something, or may publicly downplay anything that could be seen as negativity.  But, again, where I was going with that was more to illustrate that I think the core part of his personality that is relevant to this discussion is that he simply avoids controversy that he deems to be unnecessary or counterproductive.  And that is a rare thing for someone who, at the same time holds VERY strong opinions and can be VERY passionate about those opinions.  Another way of saying it is that he is very adept at avoiding unnecessary controversy, but at the same time is not afraid of controversy when he deems it necessary or beneficial to get a point across. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 24, 2020, 12:21:42 PM
Taken from his FB:

Kicking off 2020 with one of the deepest, most REAL interviews I’ve done in a long time!! This is a great one and covers ALOT of ground...Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/4-epMv1f3Yc
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on January 25, 2020, 08:37:46 AM
Cool, I'll have to give it a listen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on January 25, 2020, 12:18:03 PM
It's been a relaxing, slow Saturday. I took a break from writing and watched that whole
interview.

I really enjoyed it. He's such a genuine person. At times throughout then years, I've been
bummed by certain things but all-in-all, I've always admired him. Seeing the interview reminds
me that every single one of us carries burdens and goes through struggles. We have great days
and amazing accomplishments and then we live through tough times. As humans we share these
experiences. After watching this, I'm going to focus on becoming less judgmental and trying
to see the goodness that each and every one of us brings to the table.

Thanks for posting the interview and thanks MP for being so honest about your life.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on January 26, 2020, 11:15:46 PM
Yes, I agree. I thought the interviewer was good, too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bentower on January 26, 2020, 11:30:13 PM
It was good. Throwing advertisements in the middle of Mike's response was not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on January 28, 2020, 03:50:12 AM
I listened to this.

I would never feel MP is telling the truth (or at least the whole truth) behind leaving DT, unless he expressly mentions the whole A7X true story. There are 2 irrefutable facts here which are impossible to overlook: (i) what A7X declared about this (especially lately) and (ii) the fact that MP attempted to return to DT after a while (notably when things went wrong with A7X). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 28, 2020, 06:05:04 AM
I listened to this.

I would never feel MP is telling the truth (or at least the whole truth) behind leaving DT, unless he expressly mentions the whole A7X true story. There are 2 irrefutable facts here which are impossible to overlook: (i) what A7X declared about this (especially lately) and (ii) the fact that MP attempted to return to DT after a while (notably when things went wrong with A7X).

Thats his mistake he acknowledges. No need to into the details.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 28, 2020, 06:46:46 AM
I listened to this.

I would never feel MP is telling the truth (or at least the whole truth) behind leaving DT, unless he expressly mentions the whole A7X true story. There are 2 irrefutable facts here which are impossible to overlook: (i) what A7X declared about this (especially lately) and (ii) the fact that MP attempted to return to DT after a while (notably when things went wrong with A7X).

What I found funny is that he says he didn't post a press release... but the A7X guys might not agree with that :lol

It was a good interview, though (except for the 2 full minutes of advertising in the middle of his answers).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 28, 2020, 07:12:29 AM
I just listened to the DT part at the beginning of the interview.

I love MP, and frankly, I really miss him and all he brought to the band. But he has just not done anything musically, that I'm even remotely interested in. And that sucks!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 07:59:10 AM
I listened to this.

I would never feel MP is telling the truth (or at least the whole truth) behind leaving DT, unless he expressly mentions the whole A7X true story. There are 2 irrefutable facts here which are impossible to overlook: (i) what A7X declared about this (especially lately) and (ii) the fact that MP attempted to return to DT after a while (notably when things went wrong with A7X). 

What are you talking about?  As far as I know, MP has never said anything inconsistent with what the guys in A7X said. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gborland on January 28, 2020, 09:43:47 AM
I listened to this.

I would never feel MP is telling the truth (or at least the whole truth) behind leaving DT, unless he expressly mentions the whole A7X true story. There are 2 irrefutable facts here which are impossible to overlook: (i) what A7X declared about this (especially lately) and (ii) the fact that MP attempted to return to DT after a while (notably when things went wrong with A7X). 

What are you talking about?  As far as I know, MP has never said anything inconsistent with what the guys in A7X said.

Portnoy: " And people were acting as if I put out some sort of press release. It wasn't a press release — it was my feelings and my explanation of what happened."

A7X: And he was saying: 'Now I can be with you guys.' And we were like, 'That's not necessarily what we decided upon. And you should take your time and reconsider.' And he was like, 'Well, I put out my press release.' We were like, 'Dude, that's not how we do business. You should have talked to us before.'"

Spot the difference?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
No.  Semantics over whether something is or is not an official "press release" does not make the stories inconsistent.  You are ignoring the context of each statement to grasp at an inconsistency that isn't there. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on January 28, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
No.  Semantics over whether something is or is not an official "press release" does not make the stories inconsistent.  You are ignoring the context of each statement to grasp at an inconsistency that isn't there.

If those quotes are accurate then I would agree with Moor.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 10:47:20 AM
Then Herrick is reading something into those quotes that isn't there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on January 28, 2020, 11:07:35 AM
I agree with Herrick's post there
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on January 28, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
I listened to this.

I would never feel MP is telling the truth (or at least the whole truth) behind leaving DT, unless he expressly mentions the whole A7X true story. There are 2 irrefutable facts here which are impossible to overlook: (i) what A7X declared about this (especially lately) and (ii) the fact that MP attempted to return to DT after a while (notably when things went wrong with A7X). 

What are you talking about?  As far as I know, MP has never said anything inconsistent with what the guys in A7X said.
The trees are that way, chief. Over there where the forest is. You're looking for inconsistencies where they need not be for the point Moor is making. A7X has suggested that wanting to continue with them was part of MP's rationale. After they said no dice he attempted to return to DT.* There is every reason to think that A7X factored heavily into his decision to split from DT based on these points, which is what Moor is suggesting.


*I'm taking this as read. I'm not familiar with the time frame of it all. Just chiming in on the logic of his position.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
Yup, I think all of that is correct.  And it is also not inconsistent with what MP has said.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 28, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
No.  Semantics over whether something is or is not an official "press release" does not make the stories inconsistent.  You are ignoring the context of each statement to grasp at an inconsistency that isn't there.
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Which you are too. MP obviously thought he had a good gig with A7X. And the they said otherwise and he just thought he was good.

No blame on A7X, or MP.

Hia decision led him to this outcome
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on January 28, 2020, 12:01:08 PM
Anyone have a link or quote of this press release that's not considered a press release?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on January 28, 2020, 12:06:21 PM
Anyone have a link or quote of this press release that's not considered a press release?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater/

It's just a statement from MP, and definitely not written like an official press release.  The A7X guys just called it a "press release" out of habit, but were referring to the fact that Mike had already announced that he was leaving Dream Theater.

Like Bosk said.  It's semantics.

As for A7X, it was just a difference in their interests.  MP felt that he could potentially join the band, and the band at the time felt that he was just a temporary solution.  Whether or not each party discussed that with each other at the time, I don't know.  Either way, it's not that big of a deal - everyone knows the story and I don't believe that anybody is hiding anything when it comes to MP leaving DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 12:09:37 PM
No.  Semantics over whether something is or is not an official "press release" does not make the stories inconsistent.  You are ignoring the context of each statement to grasp at an inconsistency that isn't there.
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Which you are too.
Not at all.  I am reading both statements, taking them at face value, and giving both sides the benefit of the doubt that they are both telling the truth unless and until circumstances present themselves that necessarily raise doubts about whether or party or the other is not being truthful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on January 28, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
Yup, I think all of that is correct.  And it is also not inconsistent with what MP has said.
Thus solidifying the point you were replying to. Moor said he couldn't take as truth an MP Statement that disregarded the A7X aspect. An aspect that you agree is legitimate. It's a pertinent omission. I'm really not sure where the inconsistency becomes a requirement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 28, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
I'm sort of "this is much ado about nothing". 

By the way, I noticed the last couple times I've heard him speak that he has a slight... not lisp but a sort of slur of his 's''s.  In this interview I saw a sort of gleam; did he get a tongue piercing?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on January 28, 2020, 12:16:56 PM
I'm with Bosk on this one.  I'm all about "words matter", but it seems like an inconsistent standard is being applied here.
How so? I really don't get it. MP tells the story about why he leaves DT and completely omits an admittedly pertinent detail, causing somebody to consider the entire statement suspect. Is that wrong? Wouldn't you?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 12:18:29 PM
Yup, I think all of that is correct.  And it is also not inconsistent with what MP has said.
Thus solidifying the point you were replying to. Moor said he couldn't take as truth an MP Statement that disregarded the A7X aspect. An aspect that you agree is legitimate. It's a pertinent omission. I'm really not sure where the inconsistency becomes a requirement.

No offense, but I think you've got it completely backward from what I just said.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on January 28, 2020, 12:18:47 PM
I'm sort of "this is much ado about nothing". 

By the way, I noticed the last couple times I've heard him speak that he has a slight... not lisp but a sort of slur of his 's''s.  In this interview I saw a sort of gleam; did he get a tongue piercing?

Bosk doesn't have a tongue piercing, or at least I couldn't feel one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 28, 2020, 12:19:20 PM
I'm with Bosk on this one.  I'm all about "words matter", but it seems like an inconsistent standard is being applied here.
How so? I really don't get it. MP tells the story about why he leaves DT and completely omits an admittedly pertinent detail, causing somebody to consider the entire statement suspect. Is that wrong? Wouldn't you?
Well, I went back and reread the rest of it; I think I misunderstood the argument. I still think it's much ado about nothing.  I listened to the interview and I didn't get a sense of anything that made the entire statement "suspect".   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 28, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
I'm sort of "this is much ado about nothing". 

By the way, I noticed the last couple times I've heard him speak that he has a slight... not lisp but a sort of slur of his 's''s.  In this interview I saw a sort of gleam; did he get a tongue piercing?

Bosk doesn't have a tongue piercing, or at least I couldn't feel one.

You're joking, I think, but I WAS in fact talking about Bosk, so good catch.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on January 28, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
Anyone have a link or quote of this press release that's not considered a press release?

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater/

It's just a statement from MP, and definitely not written like an official press release.  The A7X guys just called it a "press release" out of habit, but were referring to the fact that Mike had already announced that he was leaving Dream Theater.

Like Bosk said.  It's semantics.

As for A7X, it was just a difference in their interests.  MP felt that he could potentially join the band, and the band at the time felt that he was just a temporary solution.  Whether or not each party discussed that with each other at the time, I don't know.  Either way, it's not that big of a deal - everyone knows the story and I don't believe that anybody is hiding anything when it comes to MP leaving DT.

Cool. Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on January 28, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
I'm with Bosk on this one.  I'm all about "words matter", but it seems like an inconsistent standard is being applied here.
How so? I really don't get it. MP tells the story about why he leaves DT and completely omits an admittedly pertinent detail, causing somebody to consider the entire statement suspect. Is that wrong? Wouldn't you?
Well, I went back and reread the rest of it; I think I misunderstood the argument. I still think it's much ado about nothing.  I listened to the interview and I didn't get a sense of anything that made the entire statement "suspect".
I didn't listen to the interview, and I probably wouldn't treat the whole thing as suspect either. That doesn't change the point, though, that a glaring omission does cast doubt on a statement, does it not? That's all Moor seemed to be saying, and I don't see how a lack of unknown inconsistencies changes that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
That doesn't change the point, though, that a glaring omission does cast doubt on a statement, does it not?

Yes, it does change the point.  Because there is no "glaring omission."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on January 28, 2020, 12:58:46 PM
If someone gives "an explanation of what happened", and does not include a very important part of "what happened", then that is an omission.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 01:04:05 PM
Omitting anything, including the number of oxygen molecules present in the room, is technically "an omission."  That does not mean it is "a glaring omission" or one that suggests the person is being dishonest.  You are being unnecessarily pedantic.  People are certainly entitled to believe what they want to believe.  But to parse words and ignore context to the point of absurdity is rather pointless. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: New World Rushman on January 28, 2020, 01:18:18 PM
I have no horses in this race, nothing to add or side to take, in fact I'm a bit confused to what was being argued in the first place.
That said, if it helps, here is a link to MP's original post on his forum, which he entitled:

"Mike Portnoy Leaves Dream Theater - Official Press Release"
 

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2585154&mpage=1#2585154 (http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2585154&mpage=1#2585154)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on January 28, 2020, 01:21:01 PM
 :lol :facepalm: :lol





 :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 28, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2020, 01:42:59 PM
I have no horses in this race, nothing to add or side to take, in fact I'm a bit confused to what was being argued in the first place.
That said, if it helps, here is a link to MP's original post on his forum, which he entitled:

"Mike Portnoy Leaves Dream Theater - Official Press Release"
 

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2585154&mpage=1#2585154 (http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2585154&mpage=1#2585154)

Exactly!  People should read what is actually said there before leaping to conclusions.  Thanks for posting that.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 28, 2020, 02:08:11 PM
I have no horses in this race, nothing to add or side to take, in fact I'm a bit confused to what was being argued in the first place.
That said, if it helps, here is a link to MP's original post on his forum, which he entitled:

"Mike Portnoy Leaves Dream Theater - Official Press Release"
 

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2585154&mpage=1#2585154 (http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?high=&m=2585154&mpage=1#2585154)

Lot's of comments and posts scrubbed from that thread. I only know because at the time I was literally the first person to post after his Press Release within a minute or two of his initial post.....and went on to participate in that conversation for many of the subsequent pages.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on January 28, 2020, 02:35:09 PM
Sort of sucks to re-read that whole thread. I was bummed. Sad for everyone involved. It was the beginning of the end of MP's site so
many of us lost touch. I miss the place but in all honesty, I've been a zillion times more productive in my life since MP shut it down.

No going back now. There is only forward.

On a side note, I specifically remember calling attention to the time when MP gave the interview where he made the comments
about LaBrie. I knew right then that DT was headed for a big change. I remember Wey telling me I was making a big deal
out of nothing. But...I was RIGHT!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 28, 2020, 02:49:01 PM
Sort of sucks to re-read that whole thread. I was bummed. Sad for everyone involved. It was the beginning of the end of MP's site so
many of us lost touch. I miss the place but in all honesty, I've been a zillion times more productive in my life since MP shut it down.

No going back now. There is only forward.

On a side note, I specifically remember calling attention to the time when MP gave the interview where he made the comments
about LaBrie. I knew right then that DT was headed for a big change. I remember Wey telling me I was making a big deal
out of nothing. But...I was RIGHT!

I remember there were a few of us on that forum that were calling attention to something was amiss just due to some of the comments and things he was posting at the time....and were warned by Wey many times......and when it happened it was almost like a moment of 'told ya so'....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 28, 2020, 03:12:57 PM
'Course there were issues with that too.  That led, in some form or fashion, to his not running the forum anymore.  I don't have all - or even most - of the details, but it was messy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: eric42434224 on January 28, 2020, 04:00:08 PM
Omitting anything, including the number of oxygen molecules present in the room, is technically "an omission."  That does not mean it is "a glaring omission" or one that suggests the person is being dishonest.  You are being unnecessarily pedantic.  People are certainly entitled to believe what they want to believe.  But to parse words and ignore context to the point of absurdity is rather pointless.

I agree that omitting the number of oxygen molecules present is technically an omission, but the example is silly and unnecessary.   But when giving an “explanation of what happened” and omitting a very big part of what happened (and actually part of why it happened) is clearly not the same as the level of oxygen present in the room.
And I think you know that.
You may not think it is a big deal and that is fine.  Some may think that omission is leaving out something important in the “ explanation of what happened “, and that is an absolutely valid position to take.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 28, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
On a side note, I specifically remember calling attention to the time when MP gave the interview where he made the comments
about LaBrie. I knew right then that DT was headed for a big change. I remember Wey telling me I was making a big deal
out of nothing. But...I was RIGHT!

I remember there were a few of us on that forum that were calling attention to something was amiss just due to some of the comments and things he was posting at the time....and were warned by Wey many times......and when it happened it was almost like a moment of 'told ya so'....

What kind of comments was he making? This is very interesting and new to me, I was never a member of his forum.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gborland on January 28, 2020, 04:59:42 PM
The shit hit the fan on the MP forum when the lawsuit surfaced.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on January 28, 2020, 06:54:38 PM
'Course there were issues with that too.  That led, in some form or fashion, to his not running the forum anymore.  I don't have all - or even most - of the details, but it was messy.
I believe that was more of a quiet annoyance at the whole situation that he toughed out.

The shit hit the fan on the MP forum when the lawsuit surfaced.
That's when he publicly rage-quit for about 4 hours or so.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on January 28, 2020, 07:40:09 PM
Then Herrick is reading something into those quotes that isn't there.

No.  Semantics over whether something is or is not an official "press release" does not make the stories inconsistent.  You are ignoring the context of each statement to grasp at an inconsistency that isn't there.
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Which you are too.
Not at all.  I am reading both statements, taking them at face value, and giving both sides the benefit of the doubt that they are both telling the truth unless and until circumstances present themselves that necessarily raise doubts about whether or party or the other is not being truthful.

I quoted your reply to Ben_Jamin because I think you and I are talking about two different things.

One quote posted by gborland taken from the 14:35 of the recent interview has Portnoy saying he didn't put out a press release. Portnoy mentioned "a post I made on my website". The other quote posted by gborland is someone(s) from A7X saying Portnoy told them he put out a press release. Then New World Rushman posted link to a thread Portnoy made on his forum which is titled "Mike Portnoy Leaves Dream Theater - Official Press Release".

There is an inconsistency there. That does not mean Portnoy or A7X are lying or trying to hide anything. Maybe Portnoy was talking about another post he made before the official press release thread. Or maybe that was the only thread/post Portnoy made about leaving Dream Theater and the "Official Press Release" was added later on. I've no idea where gborland got that A7X quote from, so that could be completely incorrect.

I'm just replying to the possibility that Portnoy said/posted something that was inconsistent with what A7X said/posted. I think you're looking at it as people accusing Portnoy of lying. I agree with you. I don't think Portnoy or A7X are lying.

I'm Robert Herrick of the Clan MacHerrick and I approve this message.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-epMv1f3Yc

Edit: gzarruk, what's up mang?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 28, 2020, 09:19:43 PM
On a side note, I specifically remember calling attention to the time when MP gave the interview where he made the comments
about LaBrie. I knew right then that DT was headed for a big change. I remember Wey telling me I was making a big deal
out of nothing. But...I was RIGHT!

I remember there were a few of us on that forum that were calling attention to something was amiss just due to some of the comments and things he was posting at the time....and were warned by Wey many times......and when it happened it was almost like a moment of 'told ya so'....

What kind of comments was he making? This is very interesting and new to me, I was never a member of his forum.

Man.....it was so long ago.....the thing that stuck out was the social media posts saying how much fun he was having  with A7X. Lots of pics with them doing all sorts of things like water skiing and getting tats together......whereas most mentions of DT the last few years were about how busy they were or how much he had to do.

It’s tough to recall all of the instances where he’d say or post something that just seemed ‘off’. Always something small. I remember he posted a vid of him, JLB and JMX’s kid eating backstage and he made a comment along the lines of “Ive spoken more with Johns kid these past few days than I have to John in 5 years”. Was an interesting insight.

Maybe emtee can recall more....I just remember the feel of his forum prior to the split more than specific things
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 28, 2020, 09:28:05 PM
Weren't there comments about a band meeting and trying to talk to someone (the implication was Myung) with headphones jammed in their ears?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on January 28, 2020, 10:27:52 PM
I had made a thread a few weeks prior to MP leaving here called: Which Member Is Most Likely to Pull a Kevin Moore” and by that I just meant which member would up and leave suddenly. Well, we got that answer a few weeks later. I remember a lot of people here said it was a dumb thread and made jokes, then the thread just got sad. I felt bad posting it and remember I felt like everyone was mad at me and kept apologizing. Someone finally and thankfully told me to shut up and stop apologizing. :lol. I always have to remember I made that thread 10 years ago when I was 15 and treated this forum like high school and didn’t want to be the unpopular one.

As for what you said Stadler, I believe it was dinner before a show where members trickled in and out and there was an implication that a band member (which I always perceived to be JM) came in, sat down with earbuds in and ate dinner talking to no one. MP said that was a moment that stuck out that things needed to change. Because A7X always hung out and talked and DT didn’t feel that way. Which in retrospect, I’m sure bands don’t talk to each other all the time or eat dinner in silence and kind of tune out a bit. I’m sure A7X does that too. It’s a bit unfair of a comparison for MP to do(if he even did, I don’t remember). Of course A7X was close at that time, their best friend had just died, they probably leaned on each other a lot that tour.


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on January 29, 2020, 03:19:26 AM
Just to make things clear: my original post that started all this has nothing to do with the "press release" thing.

My post was FULLY understood by eric42434224 and El Barto and which I clarify as follows:

In his latest interview MP mentioned being burnt out as the reason of his decision to quit DT and did NOT mention anything about the A7X issue.

IMO this omission affects the credibility of his statement in this interview, especially that we know for a fact that (i) he tried to join A7X and was rejected, and (ii) he tried to go back to DT thereafter with no success.

This issue has always been compared to a marital relationship and from that perspective if I agree with Bosk that the above omission does not affect the truth, I would then have to agree with the following scenario: imagine a husband that applied for divorce and when asked about the reason behind his request during his court cross-examination, he goes through all the house and wife problems without mentioning that in fact he has plans to marry another women (plans that are confirmed by this latter) and when this point is raised the court considered such omission as irrelevant and does not affect his statement. Not to mention that later on and when such women refused his proposal he went back to his wife asking to return as if the original problems have vanished.

Does not that affect his statement? Does not that affect (especially by asking his wife to come back) the credibility of the house and wife problems he listed as the reason of his divorce request?

That is how I see it and how I felt when listening to this interview. With my total respect to anyone that do not agree with the above.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2020, 06:54:45 AM
It’s tough to recall all of the instances where he’d say or post something that just seemed ‘off’. Always something small. I remember he posted a vid of him, JLB and JMX’s kid eating backstage and he made a comment along the lines of “Ive spoken more with Johns kid these past few days than I have to John in 5 years”. Was an interesting insight.

It's funny how I recently met someone who know's John's son and he said the kid speaks A LOT  :lol

As for what you said Stadler, I believe it was dinner before a show where members trickled in and out and there was an implication that a band member (which I always perceived to be JM) came in, sat down with earbuds in and ate dinner talking to no one. MP said that was a moment that stuck out that things needed to change.

Occassionally my coworker comes into our shared office and will just keep his headphones on and work.  To me, it means he's probably got something personal going on and doesn't want to talk.  I let him be.  Usually even if we aren't actively talking to each other, we won't have our headphones on in the office together.  I do think it's a bit awkward if that's how they always ate dinner, but if it were on occassion, I wouldn't personally put too much stock into it.  But then again, these types of awkward moments maybe do add up to make a relationship sour. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 29, 2020, 08:08:18 AM
Look, it's all a matter of taste and perspective.   The idea that all bands are best friends and a "gang of four/five/whatever", went out for me around the time of "Dynasty" by Kiss.  Our friend here related a story - that I've heard variations on as well - that Aerosmith hate each other and don't even go in the same room unless on stage.   There are far more bands like that, than Dream Theater that always seemed to be a group friends, first and foremost.   I can't really blame Mike - given that he's largely made a career out of playing with his "bros" (I mean that in a good way) - for wanting that, and/or lamenting it's loss.  There are people that operate comfortably in conflict zones - as Cram said, "let him be" - and those that prefer not to.  No harm, no foul, Mike strikes me as a guy that prefers not to. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 29, 2020, 09:53:37 AM
Something to be said for band members being best friends.  The guys in Rush always said they are best friends and consider each other family,  which is a huge factor contributing to their longevity. They only lasted forty years plus..  :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 29, 2020, 09:57:50 AM
Something to be said for band members being best friends.  The guys in Rush always said they are best friends and consider each other family,  which is a huge factor contributing to their longevity. They only lasted forty years plus..  :coolio

Yea, it's certainly rare but I think it makes the fans like a band even more when they know that the band members have a good relationship and the band never changes personnel. 311 is the same way, same 5 guys who are best friends and it feels like it brings the fan base together as there is no drama around them.  Life is not always so perfect though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 29, 2020, 09:59:47 AM
Something to be said for band members being best friends.  The guys in Rush always said they are best friends and consider each other family,  which is a huge factor contributing to their longevity. They only lasted forty years plus..  :coolio

Rolling Stones? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 29, 2020, 10:10:03 AM
Edit: gzarruk, what's up mang?  :biggrin:

Herrick made a friend :tup


About the "this guy had headphones on the whole time" vs "A7X were hanging 24/7 like best pals", I don't think it's a big deal, honestly. By 2010 they had been a band for 25 years, that's a long time. In my experience, relationship dynamics often change through time, we "get used" to the same people being around us and it becomes ordinary in a way, it's not that we don't appreciate the other person, it's just that we spend so much time with each other that we usually crave some "me" time. Mike, on the other hand, had been in a completely new environment, meeting and interacting with new people and that's always exciting and fresh, so I don't blame him for making that contrast, I just guess he was too burnt out with DT to realize how these things work. Now, if he wasn't that big of a control freak, micromanaging everything (we're all guilty of that on some degree) things could've played out differently.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SystematicThought on January 29, 2020, 10:11:06 AM
Rolling Stones are a good example of being honest with each other :lol

Still love the story of Mick Jagger referring to Charlie Watts as his drummer on a phone call with him. Charlie dressed up, shined his shoes, marched down to Mick’s room. Mick answers the door, Charlie punches him in the face. “I’m not your drummer. You’re MY singer!” Just walked away
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 29, 2020, 10:20:41 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on January 29, 2020, 10:24:07 AM
Rolling Stones are a good example of being honest with each other :lol

Still love the story of Mick Jagger referring to Charlie Watts as his drummer on a phone call with him. Charlie dressed up, shined his shoes, marched down to Mick’s room. Mick answers the door, Charlie punches him in the face. “I’m not your drummer. You’re MY singer!” Just walked away

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 29, 2020, 11:12:12 AM
Edit: gzarruk, what's up mang?  :biggrin:

Herrick made a friend :tup


About the "this guy had headphones on the whole time" vs "A7X were hanging 24/7 like best pals", I don't think it's a big deal, honestly. By 2010 they had been a band for 25 years, that's a long time. In my experience, relationship dynamics often change through time, we "get used" to the same people being around us and it becomes ordinary in a way, it's not that we don't appreciate the other person, it's just that we spend so much time with each other that we usually crave some "me" time. Mike, on the other hand, had been in a completely new environment, meeting and interacting with new people and that's always exciting and fresh, so I don't blame him for making that contrast, I just guess he was too burnt out with DT to realize how these things work. Now, if he wasn't that big of a control freak, micromanaging everything (we're all guilty of that on some degree) things could've played out differently.

The implication with "control freak" and "micromanaging" is negative, though.  I fully believe that the person with the issue (here, Mike) is the one that either accepts or changes.   But I don't think the value judgments are really relevant.  I think the very best bands all have an element of "control" or "manage"; Springsteen, Joel, U2 (Clayon, business, Edge, music, Bono, stage), I think it's an incredible part of DT's success and a fair reason why they achieved a level of success above their peers.   He is who he is, and always was.  Myung, same.   But in a band - as in a sports team or any unit that needs cooperation, interaction, communication - "introspection" is as much an issue to be dealt with as "control" and "micromanagement".  There's no "value" to them, they are just issues to be dealt with. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 25, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
https://nextmosh.com/supergroup-bpmd-signs-to-napalm-records/

According to Demmel from a different interview story, they each picked 2 classic songs from the 70's to cover and a wild card tune. There's 10 songs total, covering Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, Skynyrd, Blue Oyster Cult, James Gang, Mountain, Cactus and Van Halen. So, all these classic tunes with these souped-up, modern-day technology sounds.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 25, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
https://nextmosh.com/supergroup-bpmd-signs-to-napalm-records/

According to Demmel from a different interview story, they each picked 2 classic songs from the 70's to cover and a wild card tune. There's 10 songs total, covering Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, Skynyrd, Blue Oyster Cult, James Gang, Mountain, Cactus and Van Halen. So, all these classic tunes with these souped-up, modern-day technology sounds.

Hmm pass. I'll check out a song if I'm familiar with it on youtube, but that's just not very interesting, given the artists being covered and the artists covering them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 25, 2020, 12:52:53 PM
I'm not really down with this either. I might go see them when they inevitably play the Elks Lodge in town, but that's it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 25, 2020, 01:03:10 PM
So a cover band now?  No interest for me on this
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on March 25, 2020, 01:46:15 PM
If he's happy and pumped about, good for him.

I have no interest in it. Frankly, I'm wondering if MP will ever
be involved in something I will buy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 26, 2020, 05:51:26 AM
That group pic is awesome...did anyone else see that it's a spoof of Van Halen's Women and Children First?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on March 26, 2020, 06:14:48 AM
That group pic is awesome...did anyone else see that it's a spoof of Van Halen's Women and Children First?
Yes, almost instantly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2020, 06:17:02 AM
If he's happy and pumped about, good for him.

I have no interest in it. Frankly, I'm wondering if MP will ever
be involved in something I will buy.

Yup. This is how I feel.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on March 26, 2020, 06:18:58 AM
I'm still kind of interested in his stuff with Transatlantic and The Neal Morse Band. But that's it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2020, 06:21:07 AM
I'm still kind of interested in his stuff with Transatlantic and The Neal Morse Band. But that's it.

Well, at least with that, I feel there's a certain amount of...not sure what the right word is..."integrity" might be too strong.. so I can at least respect that, even though I'd never listen to it because musically, it's not my thing either.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DragonAttack on March 26, 2020, 07:44:47 AM
VH's 'Women and Children First'....just zoom in on Mike's tee shirt
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on March 26, 2020, 07:51:18 AM
Would have loved for this lineup to do some original material...probably won't pick it up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 26, 2020, 08:47:37 AM
Would have loved for this lineup to do some original material...probably won't pick it up.

That's what I don't get.  Why are they just doing covers?  Is there really a crowd for this?  With everyone doing live streams from home, this seems perfect for that not for an actual album release on Napalm.  Unless these are totally reworked versions to make something interesting of it, I just don't get it.  Sure if MP and the rest are happy, have at it, I just don't see why this is something anyone would buy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on March 26, 2020, 09:02:33 AM
Agreed. This might be the one of MP's projects I am least interested in. Begins with the name. Extremely unimaginative. And then they are announced as the new juggernaut whatever thing... doing covers of old hard rock and heavy metal classics (that I personally don't like in the first place). If MP and the others have fun doing this, sure, why not. But for me: no thanks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 26, 2020, 09:13:26 AM
I'm still kind of interested in his stuff with Transatlantic and The Neal Morse Band. But that's it.

Pretty much this for me. I really wanted to like SOA....just never clicked for me. I dig Flying Colors....those albums are fun to listen to but in small doses.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2020, 09:19:10 AM
I really dig Flying Colors. I never got into Neil Morse stuff, but a few songs showed up on my youtube feed and I dug them, so maybe I'll check them out at some point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 26, 2020, 09:45:34 AM
I really dig Flying Colors.

When 'Third Degree' came out it didn't grab me. I gave it a few spins and then forgot about it. About a week or two ago I fired it up again when I driving for an extended time....and man, it really clicked for some reason. I really liked the first two albums but now I think Third Degree may be my favorite out of the bunch.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 26, 2020, 11:11:57 AM
Remember when covers were a neat thing that was tossed in as a surprise live? Or were a special treat on a bonus disk/special edition?  Now it's the very reason for being.   That kind of makes me sad, to be honest.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 26, 2020, 12:31:04 PM
The Winery Dogs are the one project MP is involved in right now that I really really like. Flying Colors has its moments too, but Third Degree is a step down from the second album IMO. I’ve mostly lost interest in anything else Neal Morse does these days though, so NMB is a no for me, and I have only slight hopes for the new Transatlantic. I have zero interest in anything metal that MP is involved in (including Sons of Apollo which is mind numbingly bad).

However, I could see a covers album being at least listenable, given that songwriting tends to be my hang up with most MP stuff these days. The reason TWD is great is Richie knows what he’s doing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on March 26, 2020, 01:31:05 PM
Not only is this the least interesting project I've ever heard of, but I'm really getting bored of the covers being constantly chosen from the same pool of 70's /80's bands artists. How about throwing in some random shit from the 90's/00's/10's? The cover choices seem to get narrower and narrower with each new band MP starts. It's like they want their fanbase to be only 50 year old dudes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
Not only is this the least interesting project I've ever heard of, but I'm really getting bored of the covers being constantly chosen from the same pool of 70's /80's bands artists. How about throwing in some random shit from the 90's/00's/10's? The cover choices seem to get narrower and narrower with each new band MP starts. It's like they want their fanbase to be only 50 year old dudes.

Mike Portnoy, Jens Johanson, Tony Levin, Michael Romeo, and Timo Kotipelto doing prog renditions of Nirvana songs. That's the next big idea.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 26, 2020, 01:44:40 PM
I’ve always (for no good reason other than I want to hear it with a ripping drum part) wanted an MP project to cover We Built This City on Rock and Roll.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 26, 2020, 02:09:50 PM
Not only is this the least interesting project I've ever heard of, but I'm really getting bored of the covers being constantly chosen from the same pool of 70's /80's bands artists. How about throwing in some random shit from the 90's/00's/10's? The cover choices seem to get narrower and narrower with each new band MP starts. It's like they want their fanbase to be only 50 year old dudes.

If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck... 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on March 26, 2020, 02:23:56 PM
https://nextmosh.com/supergroup-bpmd-signs-to-napalm-records/

According to Demmel from a different interview story, they each picked 2 classic songs from the 70's to cover and a wild card tune. There's 10 songs total, covering Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, Skynyrd, Blue Oyster Cult, James Gang, Mountain, Cactus and Van Halen. So, all these classic tunes with these souped-up, modern-day technology sounds.

It's been what...9 1/2 years, and I'm still waiting for MP to do something that interests me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2020, 02:36:50 PM
Not only is this the least interesting project I've ever heard of, but I'm really getting bored of the covers being constantly chosen from the same pool of 70's /80's bands artists. How about throwing in some random shit from the 90's/00's/10's? The cover choices seem to get narrower and narrower with each new band MP starts. It's like they want their fanbase to be only 50 year old dudes.

If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck...

Then it should go to a chiropractor or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on March 26, 2020, 11:49:23 PM
Remember when covers were a neat thing that was tossed in as a surprise live? Or were a special treat on a bonus disk/special edition?  Now it's the very reason for being.   That kind of makes me sad, to be honest.

This, but I will add that when a band used to do covers, they made it their own, with their own unique sound and style. The Who did Summertime Blues, and didn't say "Let's make made it sound exactly like Eddie Cochran, let's make it like sound like it would have if we written it!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2020, 09:24:38 AM
Remember when covers were a neat thing that was tossed in as a surprise live? Or were a special treat on a bonus disk/special edition?  Now it's the very reason for being.   That kind of makes me sad, to be honest.

This, but I will add that when a band used to do covers, they made it their own, with their own unique sound and style. The Who did Summertime Blues, and didn't say "Let's make made it sound exactly like Eddie Cochran, let's make it like sound like it would have if we written it!"

Dream Theater's cover of Iron Maiden's Gangland comes to mind, totally different style and well done.  If that was the idea behind this new band, I could get behind that a bit more than just doing the songs as they are.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 27, 2020, 01:03:57 PM
From MP facebook page:

Head over to the new BPMD page to see the track by track list of covers we recorded that will be unveiled over the coming days...each of us picked 2 songs and then we added 2 additional group choices. The prerequisite was they had to be American 70’s bands. What bands/artists do you predict we chose?
Today is the 1st video installment where I reveal one of my picks...
(Side note to the trolls bitching about “another MP project” :
This is NOT a “new band”!!!!
This was a fun “album” I did...
4 friends getting together to jam and record some fun covers...
Not much different from my MPG Cover To Cover Albums, or the PSMS tour, or the YMC, AJ, HOTG & CATSM tribute shows I did w Paul Gilbert...
Chill out and enjoy the music...or don’t if you can’t handle any more MP albums...just take the bitching elsewhere! This is supposed to be a page where MP fans gather to discuss positive things!)
OK now check out todays BPMD post if you’re curious my 1st cover pick...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 27, 2020, 01:12:49 PM
Yeah, I don’t have any problem with him and his buds cranking out some covers they like just for fun. I might not buy it, but I’ll probably check a few of these tunes out to see if I dig them or not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on March 27, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
Head over to the new BPMD page to see the track by track list of covers we recorded that will be unveiled over the coming days...each of us picked 2 songs and then we added 2 additional group choices. The prerequisite was they had to be American 70’s bands. What bands/artists do you predict we chose?

All the stuff about "trolls shut up" is more than a little tiresome.

As for the criteria, I have a hard time thinking of "American 70's bands" that I really like.  Most of the 70's stuff I like is British or Canadian, and most of the American artists I like started post-70's.  My favorite American 70's band is Styx, and I don't see this group doing a Styx song (but I'd certainly give it a listen if they did).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 01:47:39 PM
If he's happy and pumped about, good for him.

I have no interest in it. Frankly, I'm wondering if MP will ever
be involved in something I will buy.


Not really interested in this one either.

Still interested in Liquid Tension Experiment Winery Dogs, Flying Colors, Transatlantic and Neal Morse, but those aren't exactly new.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 27, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
Mike says in a video on BPMD facebook page that the opener of the album is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVDHnwlz5k
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 01:50:08 PM
Not only is this the least interesting project I've ever heard of, but I'm really getting bored of the covers being constantly chosen from the same pool of 70's /80's bands artists. How about throwing in some random shit from the 90's/00's/10's? The cover choices seem to get narrower and narrower with each new band MP starts. It's like they want their fanbase to be only 50 year old dudes.

Like Eddie Trunk.....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2020, 01:59:50 PM
Head over to the new BPMD page to see the track by track list of covers we recorded that will be unveiled over the coming days...each of us picked 2 songs and then we added 2 additional group choices. The prerequisite was they had to be American 70’s bands. What bands/artists do you predict we chose?

All the stuff about "trolls shut up" is more than a little tiresome.

As for the criteria, I have a hard time thinking of "American 70's bands" that I really like.  Most of the 70's stuff I like is British or Canadian, and most of the American artists I like started post-70's.  My favorite American 70's band is Styx, and I don't see this group doing a Styx song (but I'd certainly give it a listen if they did).

That's the issue for me

If it was music I liked, I'd buy it.  Well, that's not entirely true either, while I generally like what Mike brings to a project, it's not just him.  I have to at least like most of the rest of the band.

For example, he he were to do something with Alex Skolnick and Billy Sheehan, I'd be all over it. Depends on who is in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 01, 2020, 03:06:41 AM
Mike says in a video on BPMD facebook page that the opener of the album is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTVDHnwlz5k

Alright, I'm out  :lol

This is exactly the 70s music (or American music) I DON'T like. Great 70s American music... That's Kansas, Steely Dan, Eagles, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Billy Joel, Zappa and Toto for me. But of course, that's not what MP was going for.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2020, 06:38:27 AM
I'm pretty much in the same boat as ytserush on this, even down to the players. 

For me, it's not any one thing; it's a decent song, the players certainly seem like nice guys (at least Bobby; I don't know the other two), any time musicians are having fun there's a chance for something interesting, but as a whole this just doesn't seem to have legs.   I don't know.  It just doesn't scream "you HAVE to hear this!" (and no, I don't need a 75 minute prog opus in six parts with orchestra for that; I think Mike's cover records with Neal are stellar.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on April 01, 2020, 06:43:06 AM
MP is washed up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on April 01, 2020, 06:46:54 AM
Not only is this the least interesting project I've ever heard of, but I'm really getting bored of the covers being constantly chosen from the same pool of 70's /80's bands artists. How about throwing in some random shit from the 90's/00's/10's? The cover choices seem to get narrower and narrower with each new band MP starts. It's like they want their fanbase to be only 50 year old dudes.

Mike Portnoy, Jens Johanson, Tony Levin, Michael Romeo, and Timo Kotipelto doing prog renditions of Nirvana songs. That's the next big idea.

Okay hold up I'm actually down for this lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on April 01, 2020, 10:06:31 AM
Great 70s American music... That's Kansas, Steely Dan, Eagles, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Billy Joel, Zappa and Toto for me. But of course, that's not what MP was going for.

Gaaa....I forgot Kansas in my prior comment.

Also...


while I generally like what Mike brings to a project, it's not just him.  I have to at least like most of the rest of the band.

Yup.  I don't know any of the other guys involved with this, so....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on April 01, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

All I can say is that right now, during COVID19, MP better wash up as often as possible!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on April 01, 2020, 10:54:54 AM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Whole bunch of other comments implying what I said, too. There's almost no enthusiasm for this project here. I like his playing, but he's chosen to spread himself thinner than single ply toilet paper instead of picking one home base group to put blood, sweat, and tears into. I really think people are burned out on MP. I really don't think MP can be called "one of the most relevant drummers" currently, just an honest observation. Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."

He can still play like mad. I just want to hear something inspired from him after all these years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 01, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Whole bunch of other comments implying what I said, too. There's almost no enthusiasm for this project here. I like his playing, but he's chosen to spread himself thinner than single ply toilet paper instead of picking one home base group to put blood, sweat, and tears into. I really think people are burned out on MP. I really don't think MP can be called "one of the most relevant drummers" currently, just an honest observation. Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."

He can still play like mad. I just want to hear something inspired from him after all these years.
I agree.  I love him, but I'm not sure "relevant" is the best way to describe him at this point in his career.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 01, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
MP has a legacy that will always make him at least...I guess semi relevant. But only his legacy right now. As an active drummer, he's hardly relevant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on April 01, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
I love what he's done with SOA and TNMB,  but I haven't been following his other projects. But man, the dude can play anything under the sun and has a lot of heart!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 01, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
I love what he's done with SOA and TNMB,  but I haven't been following his other projects. But man, the dude can play anything under the sun and has a lot of heart!
Unfortunately, he also has a lot of mouth.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on April 01, 2020, 11:12:55 AM
I think I'll only like this new project if they really thrash these classic songs up and turn them into something else.  You have Blitz and Phil Demmel in the band - they better not be doing straight up covers of these songs just with heavier sounding guitars. 

Re-arrange them a bit and make them rip, then that will get my interest.  Here's to hoping it  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2020, 11:17:46 AM
MP has a legacy that will always make him at least...I guess semi relevant. But only his legacy right now. As an active drummer, he's hardly relevant.

Yea, he's still pretty relevant but not so much based on what he's currently doing.  He makes metal headlines constantly and often for things he says, not so much because of his latest music.  That's kind of how I see him now.  He's a big name in the metal world, but besides his base fans, he really isn't relevant to the general metal community for creating new and interesting music at this point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 01, 2020, 11:35:13 AM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Relevant? I would say prolific, definitely, but not really relevant anymore. Leaving DT was his biggest mistake and he's failed to create something quite as good (or big) to call him relevant in the scene, at least for the past decade.

(Again, all of this IMO)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 01, 2020, 11:44:45 AM
Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."
I am confident Neal Morse has a fanbase that couldn't care less if Mike plays on his stuff or not. Yes, Mike did help putting Neal on a map, but whoever discovered Neal because of Mike didn't stay for Mike.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on April 01, 2020, 11:48:42 AM
I wouldn't like TNMB as much without Mike. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on April 01, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."
I am confident Neal Morse has a fanbase that couldn't care less if Mike plays on his stuff or not. Yes, Mike did help putting Neal on a map, but whoever discovered Neal because of Mike didn't stay for Mike.

I think there's quite a bit of overlap between the two, but I agree. Either way, don't take my comment too seriously, I think NM's music is tremendously awful.  :lol Winery Dogs is where MP's post-DT sweet spot is for my taste personally, but most of that is because of Richie.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on April 01, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
I bought the first Winery Dogs album and I couldn't get into it because of Richie..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2020, 12:23:27 PM
Richie is definitely the glu and the reason behind TWD being so damn good.  I just wished Richie viewed that band more importantly than his solo.  So much more potential with TWD than anything else MP has done since DT IMO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MarkFitDT on April 01, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Sorry to nitpick but it isn't the APPRECIATION thread - its the APPRECIATION/DISCUSSION thread which should allow some constructive criticism if people feel the need.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 01, 2020, 12:30:02 PM
Richie is definitely the glu and the reason behind TWD being so damn good.  I just wished Richie viewed that band more importantly than his solo.  So much more potential with TWD than anything else MP has done since DT IMO.

I feel the same way, and I remember when the band came out and MP said "this is now my 'main' band". For all intents and purposes, I believe he had the intention of it being that way, but after two albums, Richie decided to spend some time in his solo career. This is speculation on my part, but I believe SOA only happened because Richie did not want to do a third TWD album straight after the Hot Streak tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2020, 12:33:12 PM
Richie is definitely the glu and the reason behind TWD being so damn good.  I just wished Richie viewed that band more importantly than his solo.  So much more potential with TWD than anything else MP has done since DT IMO.

I feel the same way, and I remember when the band came out and MP said "this is now my 'main' band". For all intents and purposes, I believe he had the intention of it being that way, but after two albums, Richie decided to spend some time in his solo career. This is speculation on my part, but I believe SOA only happened because Richie did not want to do a third TWD album straight after the Hot Streak tour.

That's definitely the way I see it as well. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 01, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
I don't know if "relevant" is really the right word...  that implies that he has a statement to make.   I'm not sure that's true at this point; rather, I view him as a catalyst or a vehicle for a bigger statement by others or a group.

I certainly do not share the opinion that he's retreading his drumming; there are still MP songs that I listen to just for the drums, and there's only a handful of drummers about whom I can say that.

As for TWD, I don't share that either - it's good not great - but seriously, did no one see that coming?  Richie hasn't done ANYTHING for more more than an album cycle or two, and boom.  Poison, two.  Greg Howe, two.  Mr. Big, two (studio).   I'm no Nostradamus, but I saw that coming a mile away. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on April 01, 2020, 02:41:06 PM
I was moved after watching MP's recent interview, to the point that
I made a commitment to seek the positive aspects in his projects. Actually,
not only his but on a wider scale--to look for the good in people and not the
bad/negative. So as I said earlier, if he's happy, that's all that matters. Having
said that, I'm not going to buy it and I'm surprised any label could make a
profit on this project.

I truly miss listening to music from Mike that moves me but I have all those
great DT albums, TA albums, Testimony and One (both in my top 50) so if he
never again creates something spectacular, he's still my favorite drummer
of all time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
I don't know if "relevant" is really the right word...  that implies that he has a statement to make.   I'm not sure that's true at this point; rather, I view him as a catalyst or a vehicle for a bigger statement by others or a group.

I certainly do not share the opinion that he's retreading his drumming; there are still MP songs that I listen to just for the drums, and there's only a handful of drummers about whom I can say that.

As for TWD, I don't share that either - it's good not great - but seriously, did no one see that coming?  Richie hasn't done ANYTHING for more more than an album cycle or two, and boom.  Poison, two.  Greg Howe, two.  Mr. Big, two (studio).   I'm no Nostradamus, but I saw that coming a mile away.

Funny timing, this was news today https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-if-i-was-betting-i-would-say-theres-gonna-be-a-third-album-in-the-foreseeable-future/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-if-i-was-betting-i-would-say-theres-gonna-be-a-third-album-in-the-foreseeable-future/)  :metal :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2020, 06:39:15 PM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Whole bunch of other comments implying what I said, too. There's almost no enthusiasm for this project here. I like his playing, but he's chosen to spread himself thinner than single ply toilet paper instead of picking one home base group to put blood, sweat, and tears into. I really think people are burned out on MP. I really don't think MP can be called "one of the most relevant drummers" currently, just an honest observation. Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."

He can still play like mad. I just want to hear something inspired from him after all these years.

Only speaking for myself here, but my comments don't imply that at all.
That I don't like his choice of music and/or bandmates is completely on me, not him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 01, 2020, 06:42:18 PM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Whole bunch of other comments implying what I said, too. There's almost no enthusiasm for this project here. I like his playing, but he's chosen to spread himself thinner than single ply toilet paper instead of picking one home base group to put blood, sweat, and tears into. I really think people are burned out on MP. I really don't think MP can be called "one of the most relevant drummers" currently, just an honest observation. Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."

He can still play like mad. I just want to hear something inspired from him after all these years.

Only speaking for myself here, but my comments don't imply that at all.
That I don't like his choice of music and/or bandmates is completely on me, not him.

I wouldn't call MP washed up at all. But for me, he has gone from my most paid attention to musician to most irrelevant musician.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
Richie is definitely the glu and the reason behind TWD being so damn good.  I just wished Richie viewed that band more importantly than his solo.  So much more potential with TWD than anything else MP has done since DT IMO.

Richie was the X Factor for me. I like his work in the Winery Dogs (and live) enough that I bought his Inner Galactic Fusion Experience which isn't bad. Probably won't go much farther than that, but I like his work with the Winery Dogs.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2020, 06:55:46 PM
Richie is definitely the glu and the reason behind TWD being so damn good.  I just wished Richie viewed that band more importantly than his solo.  So much more potential with TWD than anything else MP has done since DT IMO.

I feel the same way, and I remember when the band came out and MP said "this is now my 'main' band". For all intents and purposes, I believe he had the intention of it being that way, but after two albums, Richie decided to spend some time in his solo career. This is speculation on my part, but I believe SOA only happened because Richie did not want to do a third TWD album straight after the Hot Streak tour.

That's definitely the way I see it as well.

Seems plausible. Mike's not one to be waiting around long for something to happen. Carpe Diem and all that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2020, 07:01:15 PM
I don't know if "relevant" is really the right word...  that implies that he has a statement to make.   I'm not sure that's true at this point; rather, I view him as a catalyst or a vehicle for a bigger statement by others or a group.

I certainly do not share the opinion that he's retreading his drumming; there are still MP songs that I listen to just for the drums, and there's only a handful of drummers about whom I can say that.

As for TWD, I don't share that either - it's good not great - but seriously, did no one see that coming?  Richie hasn't done ANYTHING for more more than an album cycle or two, and boom.  Poison, two.  Greg Howe, two.  Mr. Big, two (studio).   I'm no Nostradamus, but I saw that coming a mile away.

Didn't know Richie (Still don't really) but I thought Winery Dogs would last about 5 years before something else happened.  The hiatus thing is a bit different because it doesn't seem like the band is totally done but I suppose we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 01, 2020, 07:08:45 PM
MP is washed up.
Remember, this is the Mike Portnoy APPRECIATION thread.  And NO,  he is not washed up in any way. If anything MP is one of the most relevant drummers out there..  :metal

Whole bunch of other comments implying what I said, too. There's almost no enthusiasm for this project here. I like his playing, but he's chosen to spread himself thinner than single ply toilet paper instead of picking one home base group to put blood, sweat, and tears into. I really think people are burned out on MP. I really don't think MP can be called "one of the most relevant drummers" currently, just an honest observation. Nobody cares about Sons or NM or FC or MA or BDSM or whatever besides his "base."

He can still play like mad. I just want to hear something inspired from him after all these years.

Only speaking for myself here, but my comments don't imply that at all.
That I don't like his choice of music and/or bandmates is completely on me, not him.

I wouldn't call MP washed up at all. But for me, he has gone from my most paid attention to musician to most irrelevant musician.

Fair.

I imagine that many people pay attention to him on social media, but I'm not among them. I guess that's a much bigger philosophical question.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 01, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
I don't have social media.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 01, 2020, 07:38:20 PM
I don't know if "relevant" is really the right word...  that implies that he has a statement to make.   I'm not sure that's true at this point; rather, I view him as a catalyst or a vehicle for a bigger statement by others or a group.

I certainly do not share the opinion that he's retreading his drumming; there are still MP songs that I listen to just for the drums, and there's only a handful of drummers about whom I can say that.

As for TWD, I don't share that either - it's good not great - but seriously, did no one see that coming?  Richie hasn't done ANYTHING for more more than an album cycle or two, and boom.  Poison, two.  Greg Howe, two.  Mr. Big, two (studio).   I'm no Nostradamus, but I saw that coming a mile away.

Funny timing, this was news today https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-if-i-was-betting-i-would-say-theres-gonna-be-a-third-album-in-the-foreseeable-future/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richie-kotzen-on-the-winery-dogs-if-i-was-betting-i-would-say-theres-gonna-be-a-third-album-in-the-foreseeable-future/)

Wow, they mentioned my interview with MP again in this article. :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 02, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Rodrigo is all over the metal news world these days  :metal :metal

MP retweeted me last night  :metal https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1245507020544933893 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1245507020544933893)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 02, 2020, 09:19:13 AM
Rodrigo is all over the metal news world these days  :metal :metal

MP retweeted me last night  :metal https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1245507020544933893 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1245507020544933893)

Came here to post that. Had to do a double-take when I saw your name. Pretty cool!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on April 03, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
I wouldn't like TNMB as much without Mike. 

I wouldn't either, but I'd also absolutely still follow them closely. I'd follow Neal closely if he was writing prog albums with just a set of randos as the backing band, and I've come to really appreciate Eric Gillette and Bill Hubauer in their own right.

Outside of NMB and Transatlantic (where especially Neal and also other musicians like Eric, Bill and Roine generate a big portion of the interest for me), I share the sentiments that many are expressing about MP at this point. I hate to say it, because Mike is my all-time favorite drummer. But out of what feels like dozens of projects from the last 10 years, there's just not anything I'm particularly interested in. Not even Flying Colors really does a whole lot for me.

The plausible outcome I'd like most is to see at this point is for NMB to become the full-on "main" band for Mike and Neal. It would be beneficial to the other guys, who don't have a half dozen other projects on the side, and I think it's easily the most fruitful venue for both of them. I imagine this won't happen, in part because Mike feels the need to have a "metal" outlet, but the thing is, this whole "let me get together with some other veteran journeymen and toss out an album" thing does not really seem to be working. What I'd like to see him do at minimum is establish a long-term band with some metal musicians with strong songwriting skills, even if they aren't well-known (pretty much exactly what Neal did by bringing in Eric and Bill, who were complete nobodies, by the way), and put serious time into it—like, 45% of his time, with NMB at another 45% and TA/FC at 5% each. But I doubt this will happen, because he just doesn't seem interested in reducing the number of projects to give each one more focus, and because he seems more interested in making "supergroups" with semi-famous names and long-time friends of his than in putting together a strong, cohesive band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 09, 2020, 04:06:49 PM
I don't have social media.

Nor do I, but maybe there's some perceptible relevance we're not getting. Or maybe there isn't.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 15, 2020, 09:51:18 AM
BPMD

 Tracklist:
1. Wang Dang Sweet Poontang
2. Toys in the Attic
3. Evil
4. Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers
5. Saturday Night Special
6. Tattoo Vampire
7. D.O.A.
8. Walk Away
9. Never in My Life
10. We’re an American Band

“American Made” will be available in the following formats:

1-CD Jewel Case
1-LP Gatefold Black
1-LP Gatefold Red/White/Blue Splatter (NPR Mailorder exclusive)
American Made T-Shirt + Jewel Case Bundle (NPR Mailorder exclusive)
American Made T-Shirt + Vinyl Black Bundle (NPR Mailorder exclusive / North America ONLY)
American Made T-Shirt + Vinyl Red/White/Blue Splatter Bundle (NPR Mailorder exclusive / North America ONLY)
Digital Album

https://www.sonicperspectives.com/news/bpmd-release-music-video-for-cover-of-aerosmiths-toys-in-the-attic
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 15, 2020, 09:52:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 15, 2020, 10:51:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

wow. That was pretty bad.

Hope others dig it, but this is a hard pass for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 15, 2020, 10:54:14 AM
I know about half those songs just by name alone (though I am sure I know all of them). Songs I've heard plenty of times on classic rock radio, and that I don't really have a desire to hear again, by the original artist or a cover band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

wow. That was pretty bad.

Hope others dig it, but this is a hard pass for me.

Agreed. Music was great, vocals were awful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 15, 2020, 11:17:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

wow. That was pretty bad.

Hope others dig it, but this is a hard pass for me.

I'm with you.  I made it to 0:41 seconds and I'm out.   If I want a cover, I'll go listen to the REM version. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 15, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Side Note. My oldest son turns 14 on May 2nd. He's a HUGE MP fan.....has seen him play with SOA and met him when TNMB came to town. I did the 'cameo' request with MP for him to record a video for my sons Birthday. Turned out pretty cool. I can't wait to see my sons reaction in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

wow. That was pretty bad.

Hope others dig it, but this is a hard pass for me.

Agreed. Music was great, vocals were awful.

uh wtf is this?  :lol yea these vocals are not for me at all... I do think it's a bit more interesting that they are doing their own take on the songs so it's not an exact cover but at the same time, this just seems.... bad.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 15, 2020, 12:19:08 PM
I found that song somewhat entertaining. I wouldn’t listen to it regularly or anything though. The video was kind of fun. Is that Butthead on vocals?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 15, 2020, 12:21:08 PM
I know why Overkill has never really hooked me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nachtmerrie on April 15, 2020, 12:22:31 PM
What a waste of MP's talent.
I hope he's enjoying his projects but as a fan I feel pretty sad knowing that this is the same guy that brought us all those fantastic albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on April 15, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
lol at the vocal comments, Bobby Blitz is a bit of an acquired taste I guess. He's been singing thrash metal for eons in one of the oldest and one of my favorite thrash bands 'Overkill'
The vocal processing is kinda weird on that song. Not a bad cover though, I kinda like it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 15, 2020, 01:12:26 PM
lol at the vocal comments, Bobby Blitz is a bit of an acquired taste I guess. He's been singing thrash metal for eons in one of the oldest and one of my favorite thrash bands 'Overkill'
The vocal processing is kinda weird on that song. Not a bad cover though, I kinda like it.

I like Blitz in Overkill. Here it sounds weird. Its not that bad though.

Overall, it's an ok cover, it's got energy. I can see why they wanted to record those covers together.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MarkFitDT on April 15, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
my god, the vocals are dreadful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on April 15, 2020, 02:29:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

wow. That was pretty bad.

Hope others dig it, but this is a hard pass for me.

Same here.  I only know about half the songs by name, and Toys is the only one that I could truly say that I like.  If someone on the Enterprise went onto the holodeck and told it to create a generic 2010s cover of Toys in the Attic, this is exactly what it would spit out.  The vocals were not good, but I've heard worse.  I turned if off about 5 seconds into the gratuitous, generic shredder solo.
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Post by: Adami on April 15, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
The only song on that list I like is Saturday Night Special (I'm a Skynyrd fan) but after that, I think I'll stick to the original.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on April 15, 2020, 02:47:14 PM
Lol I actually thought that was kinda fun to listen too.  :laugh:
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 15, 2020, 02:51:23 PM
The only song on that list I like is Saturday Night Special (I'm a Skynyrd fan) but after that, I think I'll stick to the original.

That is a great song, and also the only song I like as well.
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Post by: cramx3 on April 15, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
The only song on that list I like is Saturday Night Special (I'm a Skynyrd fan) but after that, I think I'll stick to the original.

That was the one song on this that stood out to me as well, however, after that single, I don't know.  I do like the metal/punkish vibe I'm getting and I understand Bobby is not some new voice, but it's a reason why thrash is so hit or miss for me and it's because those types of vocals often just don't sound good to my ears.  I'm not hopeful I'd enjoy anything on this album.
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Post by: DTA on April 15, 2020, 03:09:29 PM
This might be the worst thing I've ever heard. Psychosane sounds like Bohemian Rhapsody compared to this abortion. Quality control is officially dead and cremated in MP-land
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 15, 2020, 03:40:19 PM
This might be the worst thing I've ever heard. Psychosane sounds like Bohemian Rhapsody compared to this abortion. Quality control is officially dead and cremated in MP-land

I LOL'ed reading your comment because it's truly funny.

Having said that, I like the song, it's not something I will listen regularly, but I like it.
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Post by: KevShmev on April 15, 2020, 03:44:16 PM
And to think that Portnoy once had a problem with JLB's vocals...and is now doing an album with a guy who sounds like a caricature of a South Park character. :lol :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 15, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
No exaggeration, I think that is the worst song I've ever heard MP play on.

This might be the worst thing I've ever heard. Psychosane sounds like Bohemian Rhapsody compared to this abortion. Quality control is officially dead and cremated in MP-land

Or this. Yeah.
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Post by: HOF on April 15, 2020, 03:46:24 PM
As pure metal stuff goes, I’d rather listen to something intentionally silly like this than something unintentionally silly (like about 95% of metal music is, including a lot of DT’s music ;) ).
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Post by: goo-goo on April 15, 2020, 03:51:33 PM
This might be the worst thing I've ever heard. Psychosane sounds like Bohemian Rhapsody compared to this abortion. Quality control is officially dead and cremated in MP-land

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

Couldn't watch, just couldn't. Borderline embarrassing in my opinion. Not sure what to think. I like thrash metal but this is just a big WTF. The talent in this new band is there for new and original material. Still don't understand this lineup.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 16, 2020, 07:08:51 AM
This might be the worst thing I've ever heard. Psychosane sounds like Bohemian Rhapsody compared to this abortion. Quality control is officially dead and cremated in MP-land

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

Couldn't watch, just couldn't. Borderline embarrassing in my opinion. Not sure what to think. I like thrash metal but this is just a big WTF. The talent in this new band is there for new and original material. Still don't understand this lineup.

It was really really bad. I listened to it again because I couldn't believe how bad it was.
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Post by: DragonAttack on April 16, 2020, 07:29:59 AM
at the end of the 'Toys' video (yes, I somehow managed to watch and listen to it all), it says 'to be continued.....'

And I ask myself, 'Why?'

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Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 16, 2020, 08:29:52 AM
at the end of the 'Toys' video (yes, I somehow managed to watch and listen to it all), it says 'to be continued.....'

And I ask myself, 'Why?'

I asked myself the same question.

Although, good job on the video guys at Jib-Jab.
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Post by: Metro on April 16, 2020, 01:02:10 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion that MP is the Adam Sandler of Metal. His best work is behind him, and all he wants to do nowadays is just projects for fun with his friends with maybe an occasional uncut gem every now and then.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 16, 2020, 01:11:22 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion that MP is the Adam Sandler of Metal. His best work is behind him, and all he wants to do nowadays is just projects for fun with his friends with maybe an occasional uncut gem every now and then.

I've come to the conclusion that I have a really hard time getting in to any of MP's projects that don't involve Neal Morse. Neal knows how to utilize MP's ability. All the other projects just simply don't. In DT MP had JP to keep him grounded and to capture his ability.......Neal does the same for him. In all the other one's MP is largely unchallenged and I think that's a detriment to him. On top of the fact that IMO the talent in TNMB (& DT for that matter) far outweighs the talent in his other projects.
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Post by: Metro on April 16, 2020, 01:32:05 PM
I agree 100%.

As for this new cover, I never cared for Aerosmith, and this cover certainly hasn’t changed that. I don’t mind Bobby Blitz in Overkill, but his voice is not suited to sing other people’s songs. I think this album is gonna be a train wreck.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 16, 2020, 01:45:31 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion that MP is the Adam Sandler of Metal. His best work is behind him, and all he wants to do nowadays is just projects for fun with his friends with maybe an occasional uncut gem every now and then.

I've come to the conclusion that I have a really hard time getting in to any of MP's projects that don't involve Neal Morse. Neal knows how to utilize MP's ability. All the other projects just simply don't. In DT MP had JP to keep him grounded and to capture his ability.......Neal does the same for him. In all the other one's MP is largely unchallenged and I think that's a detriment to him. On top of the fact that IMO the talent in TNMB (& DT for that matter) far outweighs the talent in his other projects.

I don’t think it’s a matter of MP not being utilized in his various projects. He’s just the drummer and he does his thing pretty much no matter what. His projects rise and fall on the strength of the collaborators IMO, and right now for me it’s basically Richie Kotzen and to an extent the guys in FC who are the only collaborators who seem to have anything interesting to offer. Richie is a strong writer. Casey seems to have some songwriting strengths too, though I don’t love everything FC does.

I’ve almost given up on Neal Morse TBH. He hasn’t made a prog album that I’ve enjoyed outside of FC since Testimony. I just can’t get into NMB or most of his solo stuff. Maybe TA still has some magic up its sleeve though.

One thing that seems to separate TWD and FC from his other projects is those songs seem to have been a little bit more crafted rather than just putting a bunch of guys in a room for a week or two and putting down whatever you come up with on tape and calling it an album. Mike loves going to that well because it worked for LTE and the first two Transatlantic albums, but I don’t think it’s really worked too well outside of those albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 16, 2020, 01:57:47 PM
So, I'm not a noob to the Portnoy train, and I've followed most (almost all) the treks off the beaten paths.  Listened to the interviews on Trunk and Used Bin, stuff like that, followed the "Q&A's" he used to do pretty regularly, etc. etc.   

But I've found a question that I'm sure had to have been asked at some point, but I can't recall (nor find) the answer.   

The Cheers theme song, "Where Everybody Knows Your Name" was co-written by Gary Portnoy, from Long Island, born 1956 (he also performed on and sang the song).   He was already an established writer, having written songs in the '80's for Dolly Parton, Glen Campbell, and Air Supply. He's also since put out several solo albums.

Any relation?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 16, 2020, 02:06:23 PM
I came across that guy recently, and feel like I looked into it and saw somewhere they are not related. Might have found this thread.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=29649.0

Edit: actually, I bet it was this MP tweet that brought Gary Portnoy to my attention.

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/571714073202724864?s=21
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Post by: Cool Chris on April 16, 2020, 02:09:18 PM
From that Answers.com link:

Is Mike Portnoy a satanist?
No, Mike Portnoy is Jewish.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 17, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

Better than I expected. I like the cover better than the song (vocals too), but I'm no fan of Aerosmith and not a fan of the other songs either.

Would I buy it? No. It does seem like they are having some fun with it, but if it wasn't for Mike being involved with this I wouldn't have bothered with this in the first place.
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Post by: The Letter M on April 17, 2020, 05:49:48 PM
Did anyone else see his post yesterday about him recording drums for *something* on his old John Bonham-style kit from the Octavarium/Hammer Of The Gods days?

He says it's not for the new Neal Morse solo prog album, and he's already tracked the drums for Transatlantic (unless they're doing a bonus disc last minute). I wonder what it could be...

-Marc.
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Post by: ytserush on April 17, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

wow. That was pretty bad.

Hope others dig it, but this is a hard pass for me.

I'm with you.  I made it to 0:41 seconds and I'm out.   If I want a cover, I'll go listen to the REM version.

REM version? Yikes.
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Post by: ytserush on April 17, 2020, 06:09:34 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion that MP is the Adam Sandler of Metal. His best work is behind him, and all he wants to do nowadays is just projects for fun with his friends with maybe an occasional uncut gem every now and then.

I've come to the conclusion that I have a really hard time getting in to any of MP's projects that don't involve Neal Morse. Neal knows how to utilize MP's ability. All the other projects just simply don't. In DT MP had JP to keep him grounded and to capture his ability.......Neal does the same for him. In all the other one's MP is largely unchallenged and I think that's a detriment to him. On top of the fact that IMO the talent in TNMB (& DT for that matter) far outweighs the talent in his other projects.

I don’t think it’s a matter of MP not being utilized in his various projects. He’s just the drummer and he does his thing pretty much no matter what. His projects rise and fall on the strength of the collaborators IMO, and right now for me it’s basically Richie Kotzen and to an extent the guys in FC who are the only collaborators who seem to have anything interesting to offer. Richie is a strong writer. Casey seems to have some songwriting strengths too, though I don’t love everything FC does.

I’ve almost given up on Neal Morse TBH. He hasn’t made a prog album that I’ve enjoyed outside of FC since Testimony. I just can’t get into NMB or most of his solo stuff. Maybe TA still has some magic up its sleeve though.

One thing that seems to separate TWD and FC from his other projects is those songs seem to have been a little bit more crafted rather than just putting a bunch of guys in a room for a week or two and putting down whatever you come up with on tape and calling it an album. Mike loves going to that well because it worked for LTE and the first two Transatlantic albums, but I don’t think it’s really worked too well outside of those albums.

For me, I have to like nearly all of the other band mates or collaborators.  It's OK it there's one that's a X Factor or someone I'm not into but any more than that is generally a red flag for me that I might not like it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on April 18, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
Has anyone watched the latest TNMB dvd Live from The Great Adventure tour?  Mike Portnoy's performance is just stellar on that!  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on April 18, 2020, 06:38:03 PM
I’ve pretty much given up on following him anymore. It’s the same formula..put some random dudes together, half-ass write some songs really quick and play a bunch of covers. Wash, rinse and repeat.
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Post by: Stadler on April 20, 2020, 07:45:51 AM


For me, I have to like nearly all of the other band mates or collaborators.  It's OK it there's one that's a X Factor or someone I'm not into but any more than that is generally a red flag for me that I might not like it.

That's a fine line, though.  I know for me, if I took a hard line on that, I would have missed out on the wonderful Neal Morse, and with that logic I would have liked The Winery Dogs much more than I actually do.   I think this is an important point, because I suspect that there's at least a degree to which Mike views these projects as a way to "open up" guys to a wider audience.  I think it fails though, because the logic that "so-and-so would be huge if only people heard them" is flawed from the get-go.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 20, 2020, 12:05:10 PM
Happy birthday MP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdcax-SD2E&feature=youtu.be

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Post by: frogprog on April 20, 2020, 07:30:07 PM
Happy Birthday Mike! Thanks for all the musical pleasure you have given me over the years!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 21, 2020, 04:20:15 AM
Happy birthday Mike! Thanks for everything  :heart
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Post by: Elite on April 21, 2020, 05:55:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

The hell are they thinking?
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Post by: Stadler on April 21, 2020, 07:06:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvoqtNeQ5uQ&feature=emb_logo

The hell are they thinking?

Man, that does NOT get better with repeated listening.   That makes me sad.
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Post by: ReaperKK on April 21, 2020, 07:06:33 AM
I know :lol I just listened to it again this morning
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Post by: ytserush on April 21, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
Has anyone watched the latest TNMB dvd Live from The Great Adventure tour?  Mike Portnoy's performance is just stellar on that!  :metal

Still have to get that. Falling behind again.
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Post by: ytserush on April 21, 2020, 12:02:19 PM


For me, I have to like nearly all of the other band mates or collaborators.  It's OK it there's one that's a X Factor or someone I'm not into but any more than that is generally a red flag for me that I might not like it.

That's a fine line, though.  I know for me, if I took a hard line on that, I would have missed out on the wonderful Neal Morse, and with that logic I would have liked The Winery Dogs much more than I actually do.   I think this is an important point, because I suspect that there's at least a degree to which Mike views these projects as a way to "open up" guys to a wider audience.  I think it fails though, because the logic that "so-and-so would be huge if only people heard them" is flawed from the get-go.

In my case, based on what I like, I don't think I've missed much. I don't know if it's a hard line or not. It just seems to work out that way for me.

As far as music goes I've almost always trusted his judgement with regard to the projects/bands he's involved with. (But I don't listen to  a lot of metal as much as most people around here so my field narrows considerably on that front.)

I knew who Neal Morse was years before (1995?) he did an album with Mike. (Same with Tony Levin, Billy Sheehan and Tony MacAlpine.)
Had no idea who Casey was though and I love his work with Flying Colors and I know the name Richie Kotzen but really wasn't a fan of the bands was involved with, but I do like him in Winery Dogs which inspired me to get one of his solo albums.

The exposure to a wider audience seems to work for me when the music isn't "metal-based."

Somewhat, related:
Not really a huge movie guy.  but in a very general sense I would agree with his taste in movies as well although there are exceptions.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 21, 2020, 12:05:20 PM
Happy Birthday Mike! Thanks for all the musical pleasure you have given me over the years!

What he said!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 21, 2020, 05:46:30 PM
Apparently Mike is working on something related to the Ramones now...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 21, 2020, 05:47:12 PM
Apparently Mike is working on something related to the Ramones now...

Released a couple of minutes ago

If you’re gotta be stuck at home in quarantine for a few months, there’s no better family and no better place than Camp Portnoy!
Enjoy this fun video courtesy of Mike, Marlene, Melody, Max, Mickey, Mini & Mittens Portnoy...
(And RIP Joey, Johnny, Dee Dee & Tommy...and thanks Marky, Richie & CJ Ramone) #GabbaGabbaStayAtHome
https://youtu.be/CvIJIRCypGE
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Post by: faizoff on April 21, 2020, 06:37:39 PM
That was great!
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Post by: cramx3 on April 21, 2020, 07:20:20 PM
 :metal
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Post by: TAC on April 21, 2020, 07:32:49 PM
That was actually really cool.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 21, 2020, 09:37:10 PM
I want to see Mike record an album of Punk covers like this :lol


Or do a serious of quarantine punk covers
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 22, 2020, 02:08:31 AM
That was so fun.
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Post by: Podaar on April 22, 2020, 03:21:43 AM
Thank god he ran out of blue dye.

Fun video!
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Post by: Fritzinger on April 22, 2020, 04:15:24 AM
Okay, that was fun (although I hate punk music)... and since it's actually meant as a joke and not to be taken seriously, it's way better than that weird BDSM cover.
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Post by: New World Rushman on April 22, 2020, 06:00:13 AM
Quote
We're all getting by, just selling Daddy's sticks!

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2020, 07:14:54 AM
As critical as I was of the BPSTD whatever thing, I LOVED that. Fun, relevant...  I thought that was really neat. 

Anyone catch the photo at the end?  Was that a young Mike with the Ramones themselves?  That's pretty darn cool, if so!

(Also, anyone from the forum ever actually been in that library room?   I'm debating a "Blacklist-style" break in at some point.  Not to steal anything, but to just roam around for an hour until security gets there, then just dash across the back yard and hope I make it to safety!)
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Post by: New World Rushman on April 22, 2020, 08:06:47 AM
...
Anyone catch the photo at the end?  Was that a young Mike with the Ramones themselves?  That's pretty darn cool, if so!
...

From MP's Facebook:
Quote
I was the BIGGEST Ramones fan on earth back around ‘80/‘81 (Look at my jacket in this photo - which they all signed BTW)
Saw them play many times back then, but this was taken New Years Eve ‘81/‘82 where I was taken backstage and met them in their dressing room!!

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94491800_4051826814834930_2865665358860124160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=BPJcO0htWWkAX-y7fiZ&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=12dadeecce98e0aea66cf5330906c3c1&oe=5EC467EE)
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Post by: cramx3 on April 22, 2020, 08:25:31 AM
Wow that's pretty cool

Quote
We're all getting by, just selling Daddy's sticks!

 :rollin

That gave me a good laugh too, it's nice to see people joke on themselves like that  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 22, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
...
Anyone catch the photo at the end?  Was that a young Mike with the Ramones themselves?  That's pretty darn cool, if so!
...

From MP's Facebook:
Quote
I was the BIGGEST Ramones fan on earth back around ‘80/‘81 (Look at my jacket in this photo - which they all signed BTW)
Saw them play many times back then, but this was taken New Years Eve ‘81/‘82 where I was taken backstage and met them in their dressing room!!

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94491800_4051826814834930_2865665358860124160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=BPJcO0htWWkAX-y7fiZ&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=12dadeecce98e0aea66cf5330906c3c1&oe=5EC467EE)

I had that exact same... hairstyle when I was that age ('82 was when I saw my first concert). 
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 22, 2020, 08:43:06 AM
Always loved seeing that photo. I bet he saved that jacket for Max and Melody to wear when they were that age.  :metal
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Post by: Elite on April 22, 2020, 09:28:58 AM
That was actually really cool.

Copy that. Really fun thing to watch.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2020, 12:58:33 PM
The only song on that list I like is Saturday Night Special (I'm a Skynyrd fan) but after that, I think I'll stick to the original.
I would not have taken you for a Skynyrd fan.

Will wonders never cease?
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Post by: Adami on April 22, 2020, 01:35:55 PM
The only song on that list I like is Saturday Night Special (I'm a Skynyrd fan) but after that, I think I'll stick to the original.
I would not have taken you for a Skynyrd fan.

Will wonders never cease?

hah, my musicals tastes are more varied than people assume. You'll find on my Ipod everything from black metal to Enya, to Laday Gaga and Billie Eilish, to Skynyrd and some Bob Seeger, to Dream Theater, Frank Sinatra, Disney songs, Backstreet Boys. Etc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2020, 02:35:37 PM
I like most of that as well.
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Post by: TAC on April 22, 2020, 02:37:22 PM
Probably the best thing he's done since leaving DT.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 24, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
From his FACEBOOK:

Finishing up my drum tracks today for Neal Morse’s upcoming solo album...as I mentioned in previous posts, I used 3 kits on this album: my Bonzo kit for the big anthemic sections, my Ringo kit for the more subtle groove sections and finally my A7X EU kit (pictured here) for the proggier more difficult sections...
.
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)
.
I may not be able to tour in 2020, but nothing will slow me down!
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Post by: Adami on April 24, 2020, 12:58:30 PM
Well, I guess if he's really just interested in a numbers game, then he's doing awesome!

And of those 7 things, I am interested in one of them. I guess possibly two, depending on what the last thing is.
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Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2020, 01:46:49 PM
I'm actually in on 4, 5, and 6.   Do we have any inkling what 7 is?   An album of 70's British band covers with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott? I can't wait for a rocked up version of "Rockin' All Over The World" by Status Quo, or Slade's "Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me".

Sorry, I need to get some air.     
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 24, 2020, 02:45:13 PM
I'm actually in on 4, 5, and 6.   Do we have any inkling what 7 is?   An album of 70's British band covers with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott? I can't wait for a rocked up version of "Rockin' All Over The World" by Status Quo, or Slade's "Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me".

Sorry, I need to get some air.   

No idea...maybe another band with Billy Sheehan and Neal Morse?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on April 24, 2020, 03:13:14 PM
Do we have any inkling what 7 is?   An album of 70's British band covers with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott? I can't wait for a rocked up version of "Rockin' All Over The World" by Status Quo, or Slade's "Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me".

 :lol :lol :lol

Nick Bowcott?  There's a name I haven't heard in about a million years.

And the only thing I ever heard Barney Greenway do was one of the worst things ever, so...you're probably right.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DragonAttack on April 24, 2020, 05:54:08 PM
Apparently Mike is working on something related to the Ramones now...

Released a couple of minutes ago

If you’re gotta be stuck at home in quarantine for a few months, there’s no better family and no better place than Camp Portnoy!
Enjoy this fun video courtesy of Mike, Marlene, Melody, Max, Mickey, Mini & Mittens Portnoy...
(And RIP Joey, Johnny, Dee Dee & Tommy...and thanks Marky, Richie & CJ Ramone) #GabbaGabbaStayAtHome
https://youtu.be/CvIJIRCypGE

That....was fun!  Yeah, I'd love to tour his home as well.  Also...I can just imagine what it would be like to be 'stuck' with Mike at home all of this time :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on April 24, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)

This is the only one I'm hyped about.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on April 24, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
Well, I guess if he's really just interested in a numbers game, then he's doing awesome!

And of those 7 things, I am interested in one of them. I guess possibly two, depending on what the last thing is.

BPMD is the only one I won't be getting. Depends on what the last one is though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2020, 08:01:23 PM
I'm not interested in one goddamn thing on that list. >:(


How can someone who ruled my music world for 20 years fall of the face of my musical earth?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on April 24, 2020, 10:20:54 PM
Very excited for new TA and NM solo. Hoping, though it seems unlikely, that the mystery project is NMB4.

So... I'm basically interested in Neal, I guess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on April 24, 2020, 11:40:21 PM
Quote
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)

Eh, I am only kind of interested in SOA. I heard the single and thought it was OK. I might get it eventually.

I've already got the BRNO video, and it's a pretty great show! Glad to own it!

Flying Colors is always an auto-buy for me, and the London show had a great setlist, so I am looking forward to getting this one, hopefully in the summer (anytime BUT June - already too much new music coming out then, even without Steven Wilson).

Transatlantic's fifth album is THE album on this list I am looking forward too. It's been a long six years since Kaleidoscope, and knowing that they've been working on this one since last September has kept me on the edge of my seat!

The Neal Morse solo album was quite a surprise, but I'll be interested to see what Neal can do these days without the NMB behind him. I'm sure he's still got all the great chops and musical motifs that he's well known for.

And the mystery album? Like 425 said, I doubt it'll be the Neal Morse Band, considering they haven't even begun writing yet, though Bill said that they were originally planning to meet this Spring. Even if writing began in earnest by summer, the album wouldn't come out in 2020. And if this last album isn't LTE or TDW, I'm sure it's something entirely new. Part of me hopes it's something with Petrucci or Rudess, but that would be a dream. I suspect it might be something with the likes of Paul Gilbert, who has done a several live cover bands with Mike, but I don't think anything in the studio.

Whatever it is, I hope it's original music and NOT another covers project. Those always seem to be the ones I am least interested in!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on April 25, 2020, 03:09:19 AM
Yaay for Neal Morse and Transatlantic at least. Flying Colors and SoA never did interest me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 25, 2020, 06:04:20 AM
MP is really working on quantity. I personally don't care for any of his projects that don't involve Neal Morse by now.

I am really looking forward to some new epic Neal Morse material though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on April 25, 2020, 07:53:46 AM
I'll buy #5 & #6 but the intensity of anticipation I used to experience has been gone since BC&SL. I give him credit for constantly moving forward and being so prolific but there hasn't been an OMG type of release for a very long time. Something that really moved me and demanded constant spins over several months.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SleeperAwake on April 28, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)

1. Solid, if unspectacular. Much like the debut.
2. Finally got around to ordering this last week.
3. No interest in this whatsoever.
4. FC is a bit inconsistent for me, but when they connect... yeah, I'll probably end up picking this up.
5. Extremely excited for this. Can't wait!
6. Looking forward to this one as well.
7. We'll see.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 28, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)

1. Solid, if unspectacular. Much like the debut.
2. Finally got around to ordering this last week.
3. No interest in this whatsoever.
4. FC is a bit inconsistent for me, but when they connect... yeah, I'll probably end up picking this up.
5. Extremely excited for this. Can't wait!
6. Looking forward to this one as well.
7. We'll see.

I will call it now, prepare for new LTE
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 28, 2020, 08:01:16 PM
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)

1. Solid, if unspectacular. Much like the debut.
2. Finally got around to ordering this last week.
3. No interest in this whatsoever.
4. FC is a bit inconsistent for me, but when they connect... yeah, I'll probably end up picking this up.
5. Extremely excited for this. Can't wait!
6. Looking forward to this one as well.
7. We'll see.

I will call it now, prepare for new LTE

My money is on solo album where he sings and plays most of the instruments (maybe with some guest musicians to round it out).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 28, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)

1. Solid, if unspectacular. Much like the debut.
2. Finally got around to ordering this last week.
3. No interest in this whatsoever.
4. FC is a bit inconsistent for me, but when they connect... yeah, I'll probably end up picking this up.
5. Extremely excited for this. Can't wait!
6. Looking forward to this one as well.
7. We'll see.

I will call it now, prepare for new LTE

He said it isn't LTE 3 or TWD 3.

Honestly, I'd let LTE hopes die for good.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 28, 2020, 08:43:20 PM
This album will bring the total of MP releases in 2020 currently now up to 7!!
1. Sons Of Apollo - MMXX (Out now!)
2. The Neal Morse Band - Live in Brno (Out now!)
3. BPMD - American Made (Out June 12th)
4. Flying Colors - Live in London (Info Coming soon)
5. Transatlantic - Studio album #5 (Info Coming soon)
6. Neal Morse - new solo album (Info Coming soon)
7. ??? One more cool album that will be announced very soon...
(No it’s not LTE3 or TWD3...)

1. Solid, if unspectacular. Much like the debut.
2. Finally got around to ordering this last week.
3. No interest in this whatsoever.
4. FC is a bit inconsistent for me, but when they connect... yeah, I'll probably end up picking this up.
5. Extremely excited for this. Can't wait!
6. Looking forward to this one as well.
7. We'll see.

I will call it now, prepare for new LTE

My money is on solo album where he sings and plays most of the instruments (maybe with some guest musicians to round it out).

That{s possible too. Take a look:

(https://i.ibb.co/S5C955H/Capture.png) (https://ibb.co/sbYMbbc)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Is that a fretless bass? No way he mastered that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 28, 2020, 09:59:37 PM
Is that a fretless bass? No way he mastered that.

With five strings too. Who knows what a cooped up MP can accomplish in a month with nothing else to do.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on April 29, 2020, 09:35:37 AM
"Portnoy Plays Jaco"!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2020, 10:34:58 AM
Probably not "mastered,"  But I would bet he can play pretty decently.  He's a fantastic musician, generally, and can likely easily pick up a lot of instruments and pick up basic competency pretty quickly just by translating already-existing knowledge/skill-sets.  And he has had years to noodle around and further develop skill.  Combine that with his obsessive nature, and him being locked up for a couple of months like most of us, and I bet he's pretty good.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2020, 10:36:54 AM
Probably not "mastered,"  But I would bet he can play pretty decently.  He's a fantastic musician, generally, and can likely easily pick up a lot of instruments and pick up basic competency pretty quickly just by translating already-existing knowledge/skill-sets.  And he has had years to noodle around and further develop skill.  Combine that with his obsessive nature, and him being locked up for a couple of months like most of us, and I bet he's pretty good.

I can only base it on what I've seen. He seems to be a decent punk type bassist. You know, hammering on those root notes.

When I point out this, it's just that fretless is quite a bit more difficult to play smoothly. I have one and can get around it, and it's easy enough to get by on, but it's not just that all good musicians can quickly become good at other instruments.

Of course that also might not be a fretless bass. Just looked like one in that pic.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: romdrums on April 29, 2020, 10:40:52 AM
Do we have any inkling what 7 is?   An album of 70's British band covers with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott? I can't wait for a rocked up version of "Rockin' All Over The World" by Status Quo, or Slade's "Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me".

 :lol :lol :lol

Nick Bowcott?  There's a name I haven't heard in about a million years.

And the only thing I ever heard Barney Greenway do was one of the worst things ever, so...you're probably right.

Next time I see Nick Bowcott at work, I'll ask him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2020, 11:14:50 AM
He's probably learning the bass so he can add himself to his list of favorite bass players that includes everyone he has played with except John Myung. :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
He's probably learning the bass so he can add himself to his list of favorite bass players that includes everyone he has played with except John Myung. :P

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 29, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
It's also the Ramones, which isn't a knock, but rather, to say that rhythm and repetition are the key elements, and as a cross-genre drummer, he's got those two in spades. 

If we're talking about the Ramones video - and, because it's Adami, even if we're not - I don't think that's a fretless bass. It's got the fretmarkers, and unless those are just scribes, most fretless basses I've seen don't have even those.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 29, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
Do we have any inkling what 7 is?   An album of 70's British band covers with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott? I can't wait for a rocked up version of "Rockin' All Over The World" by Status Quo, or Slade's "Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me".

 :lol :lol :lol

Nick Bowcott?  There's a name I haven't heard in about a million years.

And the only thing I ever heard Barney Greenway do was one of the worst things ever, so...you're probably right.

Next time I see Nick Bowcott at work, I'll ask him.

Well, make sure he knows I meant it with great respect.  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2020, 11:57:39 AM
It's also the Ramones, which isn't a knock, but rather, to say that rhythm and repetition are the key elements, and as a cross-genre drummer, he's got those two in spades. 

If we're talking about the Ramones video - and, because it's Adami, even if we're not - I don't think that's a fretless bass. It's got the fretmarkers, and unless those are just scribes, most fretless basses I've seen don't have even those.

Mine does. A a number of them do, just have the lines. I honestly would be lost without them haha. While many do not, and the pros seem to prefer without, plenty do have the lines, just not protruding.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 29, 2020, 11:58:28 AM
It's also the Ramones, which isn't a knock, but rather, to say that rhythm and repetition are the key elements, and as a cross-genre drummer, he's got those two in spades. 

If we're talking about the Ramones video - and, because it's Adami, even if we're not - I don't think that's a fretless bass. It's got the fretmarkers, and unless those are just scribes, most fretless basses I've seen don't have even those.

The picture in question is not from the Ramones video but a separate post teasing the mystery project TBA.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 29, 2020, 12:42:35 PM
Any chance this is something with Myung? I mean, they're neighbors right? Do you think this down time could've given them an opportunity to re-connect? Maybe that's why he's holding a bass?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
Any chance this is something with Myung? I mean, they're neighbors right? Do you think this down time could've given them an opportunity to re-connect? Maybe that's why he's holding a bass?

If I recall correctly Mike mentioned in an interview earlier this year that his family and JMX's family spent New Years Eve together. I remember reading that and feeling happy for him that they had hung out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 29, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Any chance this is something with Myung? I mean, they're neighbors right? Do you think this down time could've given them an opportunity to re-connect? Maybe that's why he's holding a bass?

If I recall correctly Mike mentioned in an interview earlier this year that his family and JMX's family spent New Years Eve together. I remember reading that and feeling happy for him that they had hung out.

This past NYE? I don't remember that. I know he spent the previous one with JP right?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on April 29, 2020, 12:57:54 PM
Probably not "mastered,"  But I would bet he can play pretty decently.  He's a fantastic musician, generally, and can likely easily pick up a lot of instruments and pick up basic competency pretty quickly just by translating already-existing knowledge/skill-sets.  And he has had years to noodle around and further develop skill.  Combine that with his obsessive nature, and him being locked up for a couple of months like most of us, and I bet he's pretty good.

I can only base it on what I've seen. He seems to be a decent punk type bassist. You know, hammering on those root notes.

When I point out this, it's just that fretless is quite a bit more difficult to play smoothly. I have one and can get around it, and it's easy enough to get by on, but it's not just that all good musicians can quickly become good at other instruments.

Of course that also might not be a fretless bass. Just looked like one in that pic.

Ditto that.  I have one, and it's a whole different animal (and, of course, it's best used on particular types of songs).  Back in the day, I wanted a double neck fretted/fretless and also a double neck 5-string/8-string.


If we're talking about the Ramones video - and, because it's Adami, even if we're not - I don't think that's a fretless bass. It's got the fretmarkers, and unless those are just scribes, most fretless basses I've seen don't have even those.

The bass in the Ramones video is definitely NOT a fretless bass.  The one under discussion is in a picture in MinistroRaven's post at 7:43:20 PM PDT on 4/28/20.  For whatever reason, that picture is not displaying on my computer (and maybe not yours either), so I had to check it on my phone.  It's definitely a fretless.  Also fret line guide markers on fretless basses are not all that uncommon (although really good fretless players don't need them).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 29, 2020, 12:59:03 PM
Any chance this is something with Myung? I mean, they're neighbors right? Do you think this down time could've given them an opportunity to re-connect? Maybe that's why he's holding a bass?

If I recall correctly Mike mentioned in an interview earlier this year that his family and JMX's family spent New Years Eve together. I remember reading that and feeling happy for him that they had hung out.

This past NYE? I don't remember that. I know he spent the previous one with JP right?

Yeah...it may not have been 'on' New Years......he may have said New Year's party or something. I just recall him pointing out that they had spent all night together at a New Years party.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 29, 2020, 01:00:09 PM
I thought that was JP though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 29, 2020, 01:06:06 PM


The bass in the Ramones video is definitely NOT a fretless bass.  The one under discussion is in a picture in MinistroRaven's post at 7:43:20 PM PDT on 4/28/20.  For whatever reason, that picture is not displaying on my computer (and maybe not yours either), so I had to check it on my phone.  It's definitely a fretless.  Also fret line guide markers on fretless basses are not all that uncommon (although really good fretless players don't need them).

Mystery solved!  I saw no picture after the Ramones video!   

Hmm.  I like his pants.   Also looks like he trimmed his beard (not a bad thing either). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on April 29, 2020, 02:03:53 PM
I would buy a solo EP or album if that's what the mystery #7 project is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 29, 2020, 02:08:56 PM
I thought that was JP though.
He and his family did meet up with JP and his family like in the middle of December, which seems to have become an annual thing for them. This was separate. I remember reading (I think on a FB post) that MP specifically said that he had spent New Years with JM.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 29, 2020, 02:11:16 PM
I don't recall that at all.

Can someone dig that up for me?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 29, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
I don't recall that at all.

Can someone dig that up for me?

Consider how often you bury yourself, I am pretty sure you have your own shovel. ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: romdrums on April 29, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
Do we have any inkling what 7 is?   An album of 70's British band covers with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott? I can't wait for a rocked up version of "Rockin' All Over The World" by Status Quo, or Slade's "Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me".

 :lol :lol :lol

Nick Bowcott?  There's a name I haven't heard in about a million years.

And the only thing I ever heard Barney Greenway do was one of the worst things ever, so...you're probably right.

Next time I see Nick Bowcott at work, I'll ask him.

Well, make sure he knows I meant it with great respect.  :)  :)  :)

Knowing Nick, he'd get a laugh out that. ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Learning2Live on April 29, 2020, 02:28:49 PM
I don't recall that at all.

Can someone dig that up for me?
MP posted a reply comment on 1/1/20 to someone asking if he still kept in touch with any of the DT guys, and MP said that he hung out with JM on New Year's Eve. Here's a link to a screenshot of that reply that I found on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/194428908900748539/?d=t&mt=login
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on April 29, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Thank you L2L. I did not remember that at all. Good, then I stand my prediction. ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on April 29, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
I kind of see this the way that Sammy Hagar talks about his relationship with Eddie Van Halen.  He says that he would love to be in the band but more than that, he misses being friends with him.  I'm sure after some time, MP and the other guys miss each other as friends more than band mates. They spent more time with each other than they did with their own wives and kids for 25 years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 29, 2020, 03:31:45 PM
I don't recall that at all.

Can someone dig that up for me?

Consider how often you bury yourself, I am pretty sure you have your own shovel. ;)
Dig me up next because I just died  :rollin

Yeah JMX, JP and MP have hung out, which is great. Only JLB left to go. Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up." 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on April 29, 2020, 05:40:18 PM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up."

That’s how I’ve always seen it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 29, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
I would buy a solo EP or album if that's what the mystery #7 project is.

I would too. I doubt I would like it very much given his track record but the completest in me would consider this a must buy and it may even surprise me like MMXX.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 29, 2020, 09:07:34 PM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up."

Didn't JLB acknowledge the presence of Portnoy in their last NY show? I think that's cordial enough. In terms of them hanging out and taking pictures like he's done with Jordan and Petrucci, I'm not sure.
 

That’s how I’ve always seen it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 29, 2020, 09:16:07 PM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up."

Didn't JLB acknowledge the presence of Portnoy in their last NY show? I think that's cordial enough. In terms of them hanging out and taking pictures like he's done with Jordan and Petrucci, I'm not sure.
 

That’s how I’ve always seen it.

Mike wasn't there, his family was.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 30, 2020, 03:26:28 AM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up."
Oh I didn't mean them "patching things up" in the sense that they would go skiing together, that's probably impossible (and not just because I don't know if MP likes skiing). The part that could be patched up is that they're not even in contact, according to MP. And MP keeps pointing that out. It's been ten years almost, so whoever hasn't texted back (I'm assuming JLB) might decide it's been enough of that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 30, 2020, 11:05:53 AM
Not taking sides at all, but this whole issue about them not being in contact is so overblown, I am tiring of reading about it. One dude doesn't want to be "in contact" with another, it's not the end of the world guys. Life is too short to be holding grudges (I cannot say one way or the other if anyone is), but it's also too short to worry about "patching things up" when there is no reason to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on April 30, 2020, 11:56:42 AM
Not taking sides at all, but this whole issue about them not being in contact is so overblown, I am tiring of reading about it. One dude doesn't want to be "in contact" with another, it's not the end of the world guys. Life is too short to be holding grudges (I cannot say one way or the other if anyone is), but it's also too short to worry about "patching things up" when there is no reason to.

It's really funny, and I feel like I'm in the minority in feeling this way.  I realize being in a band is not like a regular job, but I've had three "real" jobs in my adult life: the first two for about 13 years each, and the current for nearly 7.  I just don't keep in any sort of regular contact with folks from the first two jobs -- not because of animosity, but just because.  I therefore find it very hard to care all that much about whom MP does and doesn't keep in contact with.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 30, 2020, 12:00:27 PM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up."

Didn't JLB acknowledge the presence of Portnoy in their last NY show? I think that's cordial enough. In terms of them hanging out and taking pictures like he's done with Jordan and Petrucci, I'm not sure.
 

That’s how I’ve always seen it.

Mike wasn't there, his family was.

Yup, I captured that moment before they performed Fall into the Light, the portnoy family was in attendance, MP was touring in Europe at the time if I remember correctly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwXsO7hjf7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwXsO7hjf7o)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 30, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
That's where I am at. I was pretty good friends with someone from a job I was at 2006-2015. We never hung out or talked outside of the office, but I considered him a friend. Hadn't talked since I left 5 years ago. Got a text from a mutual friend: "It's a shame about Cedric." Turns out he has Covid19 and was on a ventilator. Mutual friend was shocked that 1) I didn't know, and 2) I didn't even keep in touch with him. It's not personal, it just happens. I valued our friendship when it existed, yet didn't miss it when it was gone. Considering the few real friends I have in my life now, I've essentially lost contact with every friend I've made in 43 years. I can count on one hand the lost friendships I feel bad about.

 'Friends come in and out of your life like busboys in a restaurant, did you ever notice that?' -Stephen King, The Body.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 30, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
Not taking sides at all, but this whole issue about them not being in contact is so overblown, I am tiring of reading about it. One dude doesn't want to be "in contact" with another, it's not the end of the world guys. Life is too short to be holding grudges (I cannot say one way or the other if anyone is), but it's also too short to worry about "patching things up" when there is no reason to.

It's really funny, and I feel like I'm in the minority in feeling this way.  I realize being in a band is not like a regular job, but I've had three "real" jobs in my adult life: the first two for about 13 years each, and the current for nearly 7.  I just don't keep in any sort of regular contact with folks from the first two jobs -- not because of animosity, but just because.  I therefore find it very hard to care all that much about whom MP does and doesn't keep in contact with.

I'm with you both on this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 30, 2020, 12:29:09 PM
Same here.  Some of the best friends I've had in the last 30 years are ones I rarely talk to anymore or never in a few cases.  There were no specific reasons, no arguments or issues that caused any divide, it just happens.  Most friendships have expiration dates.  It's just the way it is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on April 30, 2020, 12:32:45 PM
Very true Kev and and Chris.

One other thing to consider is that people change. How many people are friends with someone for 20+ years whee they are in constant contact. It's rare because people change, interests change.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on April 30, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
Not taking sides at all, but this whole issue about them not being in contact is so overblown, I am tiring of reading about it.
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's just that this forum is the only place where I can talk about things like these  :lol think there's no harm in talking about things other than the music, and as I have said before, it's all their business and it's not a big deal. But I like that he's back to being friends with the rest of the guys, and it's interesting (to me!) to watch and ponder if anything will happen on the final frontier.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 30, 2020, 01:29:24 PM
How many people are friends with someone for 20+ years whee they are in constant contact.

I'm pretty fortunate that I have a core group of (5) guys that I still talk to/text literally everyday.....we go on 4-5 hunting/fishing trips a year and we've all known each other since our elementary school days. So, were' talking 30+ years of being friends. I understand that's rare and completely feel blessed that I have (5) guys who are close friends who I know would do anything for me...as I would them....at any time.


Sorry for the derail post....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 30, 2020, 01:30:38 PM
Not taking sides at all, but this whole issue about them not being in contact is so overblown, I am tiring of reading about it.
Yeah, I'm sorry. It's just that this forum is the only place where I can talk about things like these  :lol think there's no harm in talking about things other than the music, and as I have said before, it's all their business and it's not a big deal. But I like that he's back to being friends with the rest of the guys, and it's interesting (to me!) to watch and ponder if anything will happen on the final frontier.

Well, it's not an unfair question in the bigger picture.  If, say, life intervenes, and DT needs a drummer; could JLB say "anyone but that guy"?  Sure.   Or could all five be adult enough about it and say "you drum, I'll sing, and we don't have to be friends.  This isn't a gang anymore, we're 50."  I have on good authority the Aerosmith guys are not typically on speaking terms, other than the work, and I'd be surprised if Motley Crue were any different.  Van Halen, another.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on April 30, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
How many people are friends with someone for 20+ years whee they are in constant contact.

I'm pretty fortunate that I have a core group of (5) guys that I still talk to/text literally everyday.....we go on 4-5 hunting/fishing trips a year and we've all known each other since our elementary school days. So, were' talking 30+ years of being friends. I understand that's rare and completely feel blessed that I have (5) guys who are close friends who I know would do anything for me...as I would them....at any time.


Sorry for the derail post....

It's totally fine. I have a friend I now know for 25 years, we aren't as close as we used to be mainly because of getting older and interests changing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on April 30, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I'm pretty fortunate that I have a core group of (5) guys that I still talk to/text literally everyday.....we go on 4-5 hunting/fishing trips a year and we've all known each other since our elementary school days. So, were' talking 30+ years of being friends. I understand that's rare and completely feel blessed that I have (5) guys who are close friends who I know would do anything for me...as I would them....at any time.

Stories like this make me happy, but they also make me sad that there is no one in my life like that. I recognize that life and circumstance has a way of ending friendships, but also there are some that I did not appreciate and tend to as well as I should have, which is why they no longer exist.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 30, 2020, 11:11:48 PM
I'm pretty fortunate that I have a core group of (5) guys that I still talk to/text literally everyday.....we go on 4-5 hunting/fishing trips a year and we've all known each other since our elementary school days. So, were' talking 30+ years of being friends. I understand that's rare and completely feel blessed that I have (5) guys who are close friends who I know would do anything for me...as I would them....at any time.

Stories like this make me happy, but they also make me sad that there is no one in my life like that. I recognize that life and circumstance has a way of ending friendships, but also there are some that I did not appreciate and tend to as well as I should have, which is why they no longer exist.

You're not alone. It's the same for me, too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bl5150 on April 30, 2020, 11:27:52 PM
I'm pretty fortunate that I have a core group of (5) guys that I still talk to/text literally everyday.....we go on 4-5 hunting/fishing trips a year and we've all known each other since our elementary school days. So, were' talking 30+ years of being friends. I understand that's rare and completely feel blessed that I have (5) guys who are close friends who I know would do anything for me...as I would them....at any time.

Stories like this make me happy, but they also make me sad that there is no one in my life like that. I recognize that life and circumstance has a way of ending friendships, but also there are some that I did not appreciate and tend to as well as I should have, which is why they no longer exist.

You're not alone. It's the same for me, too.

Ditto.   The upside is that people like my wife and son (social animals) are going crazy not being able to see all their friends and I'm not noticing any difference  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: New World Rushman on May 01, 2020, 06:29:09 AM
How many people are friends with someone for 20+ years whee they are in constant contact.

I'm pretty fortunate that I have a core group of (5) guys that I still talk to/text literally everyday.....we go on 4-5 hunting/fishing trips a year and we've all known each other since our elementary school days. So, were' talking 30+ years of being friends. I understand that's rare and completely feel blessed that I have (5) guys who are close friends who I know would do anything for me...as I would them....at any time.


Sorry for the derail post....

I am lucky enough to be in a similar situation. We have a group of 5 guys that get together for a regular poker game 3-4 times a year. We've been playing since high school (we are all 57 now), one of the guys I have been friends with since kindergarten, that's over 50 years, and another one and his wife are our best friends who we travel with all the time; trips to Vegas, vacations with the kids when they were younger, etc.

I'm very fortunate in this regard.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 01, 2020, 08:39:43 AM
My college friends and I are like that.  We don't talk every day, but we have standing things; once a year steak night at Capital Grille, Thanksgiving Day at the Manchester Road Race, March Madness, the Super Bowl, etc. etc.   I've known these guys since I was a freshman in college, and at this point, they've seen the best, the worst, and the weird of Stadler, so there's literally no judgement at this point.  That's a really nice feeling. 

The core group - five or so - we refer to as "phone call friends", meaning, if any one of us gets a phone call in the middle of the night, the answer is "name the time and place" and we go. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Learning2Live on May 01, 2020, 03:41:37 PM
MP posted on Twitter that there's a 'Prog from Home' music event from Prog Report next Saturday that includes a lot of artists - JR, Neal Morse, Eric Gillette, Steve Hackett, Nick D'Virgilio, and many more. Excited to see what they've all come up with.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 02, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
I don't recall that at all.

Can someone dig that up for me?
MP posted a reply comment on 1/1/20 to someone asking if he still kept in touch with any of the DT guys, and MP said that he hung out with JM on New Year's Eve. Here's a link to a screenshot of that reply that I found on Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/194428908900748539/?d=t&mt=login

Had no idea this happened. Great news.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 02, 2020, 11:21:22 AM
Whatever's wrong between them, they'll probably patch it up eventually.

I don't get the sense that anything is "wrong" between them that needs "patching up."  I think they just don't really like each other all that much, and that's fine.  I'm sure they could and would be cordial to each other if they found each other at the same place.  But I get the sense that neither would seek the other out for company.  So I don't see it as a situation that will ever get "patched up."

That’s how I’ve always seen it.

Also, James lives too far away for something like that to happen organically.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 02, 2020, 11:29:34 AM
Not taking sides at all, but this whole issue about them not being in contact is so overblown, I am tiring of reading about it. One dude doesn't want to be "in contact" with another, it's not the end of the world guys. Life is too short to be holding grudges (I cannot say one way or the other if anyone is), but it's also too short to worry about "patching things up" when there is no reason to.

It's really funny, and I feel like I'm in the minority in feeling this way.  I realize being in a band is not like a regular job, but I've had three "real" jobs in my adult life: the first two for about 13 years each, and the current for nearly 7.  I just don't keep in any sort of regular contact with folks from the first two jobs -- not because of animosity, but just because.  I therefore find it very hard to care all that much about whom MP does and doesn't keep in contact with.

That makes sense.  There would not be much of an opportunity to cross paths. So it's not a Jordan situation either.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on May 03, 2020, 07:14:22 AM
I agree. I have worked for the same company for 30 years, and when I get transferred, I don't stay in touch with people from my last store.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on May 05, 2020, 01:03:22 AM
MP posted on Twitter that there's a 'Prog from Home' music event from Prog Report next Saturday that includes a lot of artists - JR, Neal Morse, Eric Gillette, Steve Hackett, Nick D'Virgilio, and many more. Excited to see what they've all come up with.

Very excited for this! I wonder what they'll perform. It will be interesting to see if this is live or pre-recorded like the Global Citizen concert, which was pretty cool!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on May 05, 2020, 08:02:20 AM
It looks like the mystical album is this one:

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Neal Morse, Mike Portnoy & Randy George are pleased to announce their return to the Cover To Cover series of albums with ‘Cov3r To Cov3r’, the brand new third instalment. Featuring their renditions of classic tracks by the likes of King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Gerry Rafferty, David Bowie & more (including their cover of ‘No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed’ featuring vocals from Yes singer Jon Davison), the album will be released on the 24th July as CD, Gatefold 2LP + CD & as Digital Album.
As well as this, the ‘Cover To Cover Anthology (Vol. 1 – 3)’ will be re-leased on the same day, collecting all 3 instalments together over 3 discs. The first two albums have also been newly re-sequenced and remastered, and will also be available on all digital services. All the albums have also been given brand new artwork, created by Thomas Ewerhard (Sons of Apollo, The Neal Morse Band, Avantasia).
Mike Portnoy comments: “Well, here we are...Cover To Cover Volume 3! Been looking forward to finally doing another one of these as I absolutely love the first two we did!
In fact, these Cover To Cover albums are some of my favorite albums in my catalog and are always the CDs I give to family and friends to enjoy.
Mainly because they help show the music that helped shape myself, Neal and Randy. Everybody expects the obvious Prog classics (or in my case some of the more metal stuff), but the range of artists on these Cover To Cover albums as just as important ingredients!
I hope you enjoy listening to them as much as we did recording them!
MP 2020”

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2020, 08:14:17 AM
More covers? Eh.

I love MP, but the sheer amount of repetition he's doing creatively really is starting to feel like a rut. Hope I'm wrong and I'm sure most people here and hsi other fans will go nuts for this project, so I'm sure it'll be enough of a success.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on May 05, 2020, 08:17:46 AM
More covers? Eh.

I love MP, but the sheer amount of repetition he's doing creatively really is starting to feel like a rut. Hope I'm wrong and I'm sure most people here and hsi other fans will go nuts for this project, so I'm sure it'll be enough of a success.

Yeah, not trying be an ass, but is there really a lot of demand for entire albums of covers?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 05, 2020, 08:33:21 AM
I don’t know if it’s a rut so much as something they can do quickly and cheaply and make a little money while having some fun. It’s not as if it’s distracting from him making original music in his billion other projects. That said I’ve never been compelled to seek out the other two and I probably won’t get this one either.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bolsters on May 05, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
That's some Hugh Syme level artwork there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: romdrums on May 05, 2020, 09:11:12 AM
That's some Hugh Samey level artwork there.

FTFY.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 05, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
Speaking of...

Eleven songs.  Eleven "images".

Top Left (photo):  Squeeze - Black Coffee In Bed
Center Left (sign): Gerry Rafferty - Baker Street
Mid Top Left (guitar): Tom Petty - Running Down A Dream
Center Top (Anakin): David Bowie - Life On Mars
Right (band photo):  ?
Lower Mid Left (Star): Ringo Starr - It Don't Come Easy
Lower Left (chess board):  Yes - No Opportunity Necessary...
Center Bottom (rug/stand):  ?
Mid Bottom Near Right (finger with nail):  Badfinger - Baby Blue
Mid Bottom Center Right (flute): Jethro Toe - Hymn 43
Mid Bottom Far Right (red crown): King Crimson - One More Red Nightmare

So... how do Tempted and Let Love Rule fit?   Do I have the crown wrong, and that's Let Love Rule (then the band picture could be One More Red Nightmare, reminiscent of the black and white "Red" artwork)?   But how does Tempted fit? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2020, 09:43:54 AM
So..cover album? Seriously?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 05, 2020, 09:51:24 AM
Color me uninterested.  But seriously.... why?  He's got two different cover albums coming out now?  One wasn't enough?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on May 05, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
But one is ass and balls  :metal this one is more proggy!  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on May 05, 2020, 10:29:27 AM
I just hope there are no more covers in the Transatlantic album. Would rather hear shorter and original TA songs for a bonus disc or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
More covers? Eh.

I love MP, but the sheer amount of repetition he's doing creatively really is starting to feel like a rut. Hope I'm wrong and I'm sure most people here and hsi other fans will go nuts for this project, so I'm sure it'll be enough of a success.

I'm with ya. I know he says what he's really happy with what he's doing and I'm honestly happy for him if that's the case. The guy has earned it I suppose and I'm sure h e's doing fine financially.  But, outside of his TNMB albums....near every other album is like watching Michael Jordan go down the court....take off from the free throw line....then do a finger roll lay up. I don't want to watch Michael Jordan do a lay up.....I want the creative JAM. Same with MP. His talent is wasted in endeavors like this IMO. His bread and butter is prog and creativity which he seems to have no interest in any longer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on May 05, 2020, 11:13:15 AM
His interest seems to be just putting out product.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on May 05, 2020, 11:39:31 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general. I don't mind them occasionally as part of an album of mostly-original content, but I'm not likely to ever seek out a whole album of covers—not even for an artist I really like (I never bothered with the first two albums in this series, or the DT official bootlegs for MOP, TNOTB or DSOTM).

That said, as HOF said, it seems like something they enjoy and I can't imagine it taking anywhere near as much time as an album of originals, so more power to them if that's what they want to do.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 05, 2020, 11:45:59 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general.

I'm not interested in them from 'professionals'  I like local cover bands because honestly they typically sound pretty good and have a good time with it. I just don't 'get' professional musicians covering other pro's.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 05, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general. I don't mind them occasionally as part of an album of mostly-original content, but I'm not likely to ever seek out a whole album of covers—not even for an artist I really like (I never bothered with the first two albums in this series, or the DT official bootlegs for MOP, TNOTB or DSOTM).

That said, as HOF said, it seems like something they enjoy and I can't imagine it taking anywhere near as much time as an album of originals, so more power to them if that's what they want to do.

The other thing worth considering is these guys have bills to pay. Their livelihood is in pumping out material to their dedicated but still small fan base. Some musicians have second jobs (or full time day jobs) to make ends meet. Heck, several of the guys in Spock’s Beard have a side band that does covers at weddings and birthday parties and stuff. MP probably does alright because he has a relatively high profile and tours a ton, but I’m sure it’s still somewhat like how a shark has to keep moving to breath. You have to find ways to keep the revenue coming in.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 05, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
I don't mean this as a shot at Mike, because it isn't just him, but I really hate when people misspell something or otherwise much around with the letters/grammar. Is writing it' Cov3r to Cov3r' in any way creative, humorous, or otherwise noteworthy? I mean, yeah, it's 3 guys, but changing the Es to 3s is so juvenile. It's LiKe wHeN PeoPle WriTe LiKe tHiS on social media.

Even worse when businesses do this. "What should we name our restaurant? We cook with copper pots and pans, so let's change the C to a K in Copper and call it the Kopper Kitchen!" It just annoys me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2020, 11:49:13 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general. I don't mind them occasionally as part of an album of mostly-original content, but I'm not likely to ever seek out a whole album of covers—not even for an artist I really like (I never bothered with the first two albums in this series, or the DT official bootlegs for MOP, TNOTB or DSOTM).

That said, as HOF said, it seems like something they enjoy and I can't imagine it taking anywhere near as much time as an album of originals, so more power to them if that's what they want to do.

The other thing worth considering is these guys have bills to pay. Their livelihood is in pumping out material to their dedicated but still small fan base. Some musicians have second jobs (or full time day jobs) to make ends meet. Heck, several of the guys in Spock’s Beard have a side band that does covers at weddings and birthday parties and stuff. MP probably does alright because he has a relatively high profile and tours a ton, but I’m sure it’s still somewhat like how a shark has to keep moving to breath. You have to find ways to keep the revenue coming in.

I agree, but how much income does this even provide? Unless they tour it to decent sized crowds, this release won't generate any substantial income for them. That's why so many bands tour 24/7, because record sales bring in so little, and those are bands with a huge following. MP's 2nd cover album of the year ain't gonna bring in a ton. I'd be surprised if it does more than offset the price of making it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 05, 2020, 11:58:12 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general. I don't mind them occasionally as part of an album of mostly-original content, but I'm not likely to ever seek out a whole album of covers—not even for an artist I really like (I never bothered with the first two albums in this series, or the DT official bootlegs for MOP, TNOTB or DSOTM).

That said, as HOF said, it seems like something they enjoy and I can't imagine it taking anywhere near as much time as an album of originals, so more power to them if that's what they want to do.

The other thing worth considering is these guys have bills to pay. Their livelihood is in pumping out material to their dedicated but still small fan base. Some musicians have second jobs (or full time day jobs) to make ends meet. Heck, several of the guys in Spock’s Beard have a side band that does covers at weddings and birthday parties and stuff. MP probably does alright because he has a relatively high profile and tours a ton, but I’m sure it’s still somewhat like how a shark has to keep moving to breath. You have to find ways to keep the revenue coming in.

I agree, but how much income does this even provide? Unless they tour it to decent sized crowds, this release won't generate any substantial income for them. That's why so many bands tour 24/7, because record sales bring in so little, and those are bands with a huge following. MP's 2nd cover album of the year ain't gonna bring in a ton. I'd be surprised if it does more than offset the price of making it.

Maybe not much more, but the overhead is probably pretty low. It’s all done at Neal’s studio (or the various home studios even), maybe you have to pay someone to master it, pay for artwork, printing is probably a fraction of the cost. It’s not like a record company gets a cut. Say they sell two thousand at $15 a pop, and half of that is production cost ($15,000) and they split the profit three ways, that’s a quick $5K each. Not sure it would even cost that much to make (though maybe they don’t sell two thousand either).
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Post by: Adami on May 05, 2020, 12:00:18 PM
They don't get $15 per sale. I dunno how they plan on selling it, but unless people go directly to them to buy it, then a lot of other people in the way are going to be collecting first. Bands usually walk away with a few cents per album.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 05, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
I don't mean this as a shot at Mike, because it isn't just him, but I really hate when people misspell something or otherwise much around with the letters/grammar. Is writing it' Cov3r to Cov3r' in any way creative, humorous, or otherwise noteworthy? I mean, yeah, it's 3 guys, but changing the Es to 3s is so juvenile.

It's not because it's 3 guys.  It's because this is volume 3.  Which, while I get what you are saying, makes it understandable, at least in my mind.
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Post by: HOF on May 05, 2020, 12:06:10 PM
They don't get $15 per sale. I dunno how they plan on selling it, but unless people go directly to them to buy it, then a lot of other people in the way are going to be collecting first. Bands usually walk away with a few cents per album.

I’m assuming it’s going to be sold through Radiant, which is Neal’s own label and website. If they sell it on Amazon or to other outlets I’m sure the cut would be smaller, but I’m guessing a good portion of Morse’s fans buy through Radiant.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 05, 2020, 12:08:07 PM


I’m assuming it’s going to be sold through Radiant, which is Neal’s own label and website. If they sell it on Amazon or to other outlets I’m sure the cut would be smaller, but I’m guessing a good portion of Morse’s fans buy through Radiant.

In other words, fans will pre-order it in June, the official release will remain July 24th, and then the majority of fans who ordered it from Radiant will get it in the mail in September.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 05, 2020, 12:09:37 PM
:lol
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Post by: faizoff on May 05, 2020, 12:33:32 PM
I don't mind the album of covers, they tend to kind of have a life of their own with the band's signature.

On another unrelated note, how do you guys tag the two phases of the music of Neal Morse, everything since The Grand Experiment is offiically tagged as The Neal Morse Band  but me personally I have everything labeled as Neal Morse. I have all the releases under one folder as well.
Actually should add this to the Neal Morse thread.
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Post by: Stadler on May 05, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
Not one taker on the cover discussion? There was a time when if that cover came out we would debate the weave on the REAL carpet in the photo, or the gauge of the strings on the guitar.  I think that alone sort of tells the story right there.
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Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 05, 2020, 12:57:25 PM
I assume that guitar is an actual model and not just a crappy photoshop job but it's ugly as hell :lol
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Post by: HOF on May 05, 2020, 01:00:25 PM
Not one taker on the cover discussion? There was a time when if that cover came out we would debate the weave on the REAL carpet in the photo, or the gauge of the strings on the guitar.  I think that alone sort of tells the story right there.

Heh. Yeah, the search for NUGGETZ used to be a thing.

As for the Tempted image, maybe the stiletto shoe?
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Post by: bosk1 on May 05, 2020, 01:11:40 PM
It used to be a thing for Dream Theater albums.  I don't remember it ever really being much of a thing for side projects.
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Post by: emtee on May 05, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
The man likes covers. Always has. Only covers I own are from BC&SL.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 05, 2020, 01:47:02 PM
So..cover album? Seriously?

That's nothing wait for the bomb that's going to be launched next Friday
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Post by: Stadler on May 05, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
So..cover album? Seriously?

That's nothing wait for the bomb that's going to be launched next Friday

Oh, no.   That British covers album I joked about with Barney Greenway and Nick Bowcott IS happening isn't it.  ISN'T IT!??
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Post by: TAC on May 05, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
It used to be a thing for Dream Theater albums.  I don't remember it ever really being much of a thing for side projects.

They seem to have become his side projects.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 05, 2020, 02:09:01 PM
The Nuggetz are back again...

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Post by: Trav86 on May 05, 2020, 05:39:59 PM
His interest seems to be just putting out product.

That’s how it appears to me as well.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 05, 2020, 05:45:32 PM
Neat! I've been hoping Portnoy would do a covers album for a while now
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 05, 2020, 06:52:03 PM
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Post by: Volante99 on May 05, 2020, 10:51:39 PM
In partial defense to Portnoy, I don’t really know what the right move for him is at this point.

Winery Dogs was a surprise modest success but that dwindled. Sons of Apollo was DOA, he’s done Neal Morse projects to death, if he starts another group everyone will say “ugh, ANOTHER group?!”.

Seems like the only way he can win is if he gets LTE going again (and I’m assuming it’s the DT guys that would drag their feet on that).
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Post by: 425 on May 05, 2020, 11:49:15 PM
This is just me, but the move I would be most interested in is if he started one band and dedicated a significant amount of time to that one band, focusing on quality musicianship and songwriting instead of on names and nostalgia.

This may sound harsh, but my perception of the projects he's been doing is that every year or so, he gets a new idea for a band. This band usually consists entirely of friends of his and/or semi-famous musicians from bands that were big in the 80s. The band is usually billed as "this sounds like [style of music that was big in the 70s or 80s]." If it's not just a cover band, the band writes an album in a really tight time frame (because Mike has eight other bands to schedule), and usually the haste is apparent in the songwriting. Then there's a tour crammed in between three other tours Mike has scheduled, where half the setlist is covers from bands that this new band was clearly intended to sound like, topped off with with Blu-Ray release. Then the band goes on the back burner while Mike cycles on to a different project.

I think that these projects do not last primarily because not much time and care is put into them. As many have pointed out, Mike has this thing about sitting down to write and record an album in two weeks or something. That might be something you can pull off if your primary songwriter is Neal Morse, or someone similarly prolific, but most of the time doing that seems to cause the songwriting quality to suffer (it probably suffers some even when Neal rushes it, compared to projects where he takes more time). If there wasn't this pressure to pump out an album in the shortest interval possible because of eight other projects waiting, maybe the songs would be better.

And another thing that might make the songs better is if the members of the band were selected specifically because of their musicianship and songwriting ability. Not to put down the musicianship of anyone in particular that Mike works with, but to me it seems very likely that these people are not being selected on that basis, but on the basis of "oh, this guy was in that one band." Maybe this is just because Mike likes working with guys who were in bands he likes, or maybe it's because he or someone thinks a project is more marketable when it has some big names, but to me it is very clear from the promotions (Mike's and the labels') that we are meant to care more about who the band members are than whether the songs are good.

The thing is, I sort of get the motivation behind that—there's an argument that it's easier to sell a known quantity than a newcomer—but I think it misunderstands how music works in 2020, particularly in genres that tend to draw more serious listeners, like prog. A name helps to get listeners to your music in the first place, but, in an age where anyone can sample anything on Spotify (where only pennies go to the artist), what gets them to actually buy albums and concert tickets is the quality of the music. Mike Portnoy is a big enough name in prog metal to where he doesn't need four other semi-famous guys to get people to try a new song. But what is going to get people to do anything more than just try an album on Spotify is the album being good. And not just the "well, it's decent" sort of good that seems to be the typical DTF review of the two SOA albums, but actually, convincingly, good. Good enough to stand out among the Hakens and the Leprouses and the Caligula's Horses.

It's not like Mike is incapable of playing on an album that good. I'd say the last two Neal Morse Band albums have been very, very good. But I think making that sort of album requires time and dedication to songwriting in the sense of driving at writing good songs, not driving at writing songs that remind people of 1987. And the way to get to good songwriting, especially when one is a drummer (and thus probably not writing a lot of riffs and melodies) is to select good songwriters in the sense of driving at selecting good songwriters, not driving at selecting songwriters who were famous in 1987. Honestly, look at Neal Morse (even those who don't like his music; this is just a good example of how to do things right). He brought in two guys (Eric Gillette and Bill Hubauer) who were pretty much complete unknowns, because he thought that they could elevate the songwriting and musicianship of his band. And it paid off in the form of his most highly acclaimed "solo" album in years (The Similitude of a Dream), which seems to have brought back listeners who thought his approach was getting stale and brought new listeners in. Because he brought in talented people, took the time, and the songs were good. Mike isn't as much of a songwriter as Neal, but there's no reason he couldn't do that for a metal project (which seems to be the niche he's struggling to fill). Drop a lot of the minor projects, keep NMB and FC (and TA as an occasional thing), and seriously look for who are the real talents in metal who have time to invest in a new project, without regard for how famous they are. Then dedicate some serious time to writing a good album and... people will come. They've come for a lot of other bands that didn't have the advantage of the Portnoy brand to help cut the line. Just so long as the music is good.

As others have said, maybe he's just happier doing what he's doing, putting out middling nostalgia albums with people he likes. And that's fine if he wants to keep doing that. But I think there's a clear blueprint for what to do if you want to succeed in today's metal/prog metal world and sustain people's interest and excitement, and the place that he's in right now where he starts a dozen projects, few of which enjoy much critical success or popularity and most of which flame out within a few years, is a place that he's more or less choosing to stay by pointedly not following that blueprint.
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Post by: Kyo on May 06, 2020, 04:36:04 AM
This is just me, but the move I would be most interested in is ...

Very good post!
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 06, 2020, 05:56:23 AM
Great post 425. I think sitting down and taking the time to write an album can be beneficial for MP. I remember he mentioned somewhere that DT wrote quickly too but the DT had the added benefit of being a band for much longer than most of MP's side projects. I don't think being in one band is what MP is going for these days. He seems really happy churning stuff with handful of the same guys.
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Post by: DTA on May 06, 2020, 07:00:32 AM
Great post. I agree with everything. The whole "2 weeks of writing/record/tour/live album" cycle is getting SO old and tiresome. A well-developed album with unknown musicians is really what I'd love to see him attempt, but I get the feeling he just doesn't want to be out of the spotlight for too long so he does projects that are relatively sure to get him a guest spot at NAMM or at least a semi-well-attended tour. I'm sure there's local musicians in Eastern PA that have tons of talent/creativity where they could jam locally and create something extraordinary for the first time in years. But honestly, he's probably just too old and comfortable to rock his boat.
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Post by: Nick on May 06, 2020, 07:04:49 AM
I'm sure there's local musicians in Eastern PA that have tons of talent/creativity where they could jam locally and create something extraordinary for the first time in years. But honestly, he's probably just too old and comfortable to rock his boat.

Sorry, no matter how many times he asks I've told him I refuse to be a guest drummer on this album.
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Post by: HOF on May 06, 2020, 07:57:50 AM
There’s a lot I agree with in 425’s post, but I’m not sure it’s fair to say MP is only interested in playing with guys who are big name musicians (or were in the 80s). He’s frequently had relative unknowns join his projects, dating back to LTE even with Jordan Rudess, but Morse, Stolt, and Treweves were also not really household names when he started TA. He also played with Big Elf as sort of an up and coming act. More recently, he pushed for Casey McPherson to join FC (over the better known Ted Leonard), and as you pointed out the NMB features Eric Gillette and Bill Hubauer. I also think adding Richie Kotzen, who was a bit of a name but not really a big name, was brilliant when John Sykes bailed on the original project with MP and BS. I don’t think Kotzen was really somebody Mike knew about before that, so he’s open to working with people who aren’t his buds or heroes.

But there definitely is an aspect of Mike just wanting to play with his friends or the musicians he really admires that directs a lot of his projects moreso than actual creative vision. Personally, I think Flying Colors and The Winery Dogs both have strong songwriters and more of a cohesive band element that make them good candidates to be MP’s main vehicle. Unfortunately both bands’ guitarists aren’t primarily committed to those acts.
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 06, 2020, 08:03:17 AM
IMHO, Peter Trewavas was a household name even 20 years ago when SMPTE came out (keep in mind that Marillion were on duty for 21 years already at that point, 41 years to date), Neal and Roine probably were not. (or not as much as MP and Peter Trewavas anyway)
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Post by: HOF on May 06, 2020, 08:07:31 AM
IMHO, Peter Trewavas was a household name even 20 years ago when SMPTE came out (keep in mind that Marillion were on duty for 21 years already at that point, 41 years to date), Neal and Roine probably were not. (or not as much as MP and Peter Trewavas anyway)

I suppose in prog circles he probably was, but it was the first time I had heard of him (even though I’d heard of Marillion at that point). Still, I don’t think Pete was chosen specifically to sell records or anything like that. Marillion were pretty down and out at that point in their career.
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Post by: Stadler on May 06, 2020, 08:21:27 AM
IMHO, Peter Trewavas was a household name even 20 years ago when SMPTE came out (keep in mind that Marillion were on duty for 21 years already at that point, 41 years to date), Neal and Roine probably were not. (or not as much as MP and Peter Trewavas anyway)

I suppose in prog circles he probably was, but it was the first time I had heard of him (even though I’d heard of Marillion at that point). Still, I don’t think Pete was chosen specifically to sell records or anything like that. Marillion were pretty down and out at that point in their career.

I'm with HOF.  I'm a HUGE Marillion fan, so I knew who he was, but I don't get the impression that people outside of Marillion fans knew who he was.   

I agree with most of 425's post, but I think some of what is being asked for was INTENDED to be SOA.  Whether it gets executed the right way or not isn't the same thing.  I don't have any quibble with the two weeks; some of my favorite albums were done in HOURS, let along weeks, and at this point you have to assume that two weeks is "together time" and that each member has pieces, bits and bobs that can be fit into the puzzle.   I think for me, and I've said this before, is the problem is the niche aspect.   Dream Theater was new; it wasn't metal (in the sense of Maiden), it wasn't "prog" (in the sense of Yes), it wasn't AOR (in the sense of Journey), it was a happy amalgam of all those things.   There were no limits.   Now, it seems like his projects are all genre and niche focused.  "Here's my trad prog offering"; "here's my metal offering"; "here's my neo-prog offering"; "here's my 70's rock offering".    And I'd rather hear the natural expression of ALL those influences in one place, like DT was.  I don't want to have to put on this record for this, and that record for that, because then I have to put up with great (sometimes) music, but Jeff screaming on top, when it would be cool to see what, for example, Casey could do with that.    Or I don't want to have to put up with great (occassionally) music, but have it be just Ritchie's guitar, when it would be cool to see what, for example, Jordan Rudess could do with that.   And on down the line. 
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Post by: pg1067 on May 06, 2020, 09:45:41 AM
IMHO, Peter Trewavas was a household name even 20 years ago when SMPTE came out (keep in mind that Marillion were on duty for 21 years already at that point, 41 years to date), Neal and Roine probably were not. (or not as much as MP and Peter Trewavas anyway)

None of these guys are or ever were "household names."  Not even close.  I can guarantee that, if I asked 100 random strangers, fewer than 5 would have heard of Pete Trewavas, and maybe 20 would even have heard of Marillion.
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 06, 2020, 10:43:13 AM
There's no way 1/5th of a 'random stranger' pool would have heard of Marillion.
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Post by: HOF on May 06, 2020, 10:45:48 AM
There's no way 1/5th of a 'random stranger' pool would have heard of Marillion.

Yeah, I bet it would be more like 1 in 1,000 in the US, and maybe not even that high.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2020, 10:49:25 AM
I don't have any quibble with the two weeks; some of my favorite albums were done in HOURS, let along weeks, and at this point you have to assume that two weeks is "together time" and that each member has pieces, bits and bobs that can be fit into the puzzle.

Exactly.  I can think of lots of bands where I can nitpick certain parts of songs and say to myself, "This could be a better song if they had reworked this section this way, or cut this out, or extended this," or whatever little "edits" I personally happen to think up.  But that doesn't mean the band didn't spend enough time.  It just means that I subjectively thought of something that would have made it more pleading to me.  I don't think I have ever felt that an album just needed more time and felt underbaked.  To me, that assumes WAY too much.

And as you also pointed out, the whole "we wrote this in 2 weeks!" phenomenon is a bit misleading anyway.  As you said, what Mike typically means by that is that that is together time.  Who knows how much additional writing took place pre- and post-.  How many complete or near-complete songs were written beforehand that were brought in?  Who knows how much collaboration and reworking between members took place via file sharing before and after?  Etc. 

That said, I think a lot of 425's post was very well taken.  And I largely do not disagree.  I do agree that Mike needs to realize that, for any project to take off, he needs to focus on bringing good songwriters into the fold.  And maybe he hasn't quite hit home runs in that area in a lot of his projects.  But truth be told, how many bands that have had decent success don't have a whole lot of heavy hitters, and made it for other reasons, or made it because of outside songwriters?  I dunno.  For me, I think the songwriting is fine in the major projects.  It either works for my tastes or it doesn't, and that's fine.

Speaking of which, I think I'll enjoy the heck out of some SOA now...   :biggrin:  :heart
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Post by: pg1067 on May 06, 2020, 11:40:11 AM
There's no way 1/5th of a 'random stranger' pool would have heard of Marillion.

Yeah, I bet it would be more like 1 in 1,000 in the US, and maybe not even that high.

Well...I was being generous in my prior post, but the point was that even the band isn't (and probably never was) a household name, much less one of the band members.  Heck, even Mike Portnoy isn't a household name.
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Post by: Stadler on May 06, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
I barely get recognition of the name of the band when I talk about "Kayleigh", which here was a moderately big hit.  In fact, right before COVID-19, I was in Atlanta having dinner at a restaurant that used to be my local Italian place when I lived there.  I had been there before and knew a couple of the people at the bar and we were talking about music and stuff.   At one point the bartender hollered at one of the waitresses "Kayleigh!" (well, I know now that it's Kaylee).  Later I asked the server how old her parents were, and after she called security and the bar-patrons laughed, I explained why.  Two or three of the people knew the song, not one knew the band, let alone the bass player.   
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Post by: HOF on May 06, 2020, 12:01:17 PM
There's no way 1/5th of a 'random stranger' pool would have heard of Marillion.

Yeah, I bet it would be more like 1 in 1,000 in the US, and maybe not even that high.

Well...I was being generous in my prior post, but the point was that even the band isn't (and probably never was) a household name, much less one of the band members.  Heck, even Mike Portnoy isn't a household name.

Yeah, for these purposes we probably need to limit it to the population of rock music fans over a certain age. You’d start getting a higher ratio then, but as you say even MP isn’t really well know by the broader rock music listening public. It would be higher in Europe and maybe a few other parts of the world probably than in the US.
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 06, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
I'm not as interested in his output as of late. If it's what he enjoys, I respect that.

The only ones I'm interested in are FC and Transatlantic. Sons Of Apollo's new one is a good direction for the band to head towards.

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Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
MP posted on Twitter that there's a 'Prog from Home' music event from Prog Report next Saturday that includes a lot of artists - JR, Neal Morse, Eric Gillette, Steve Hackett, Nick D'Virgilio, and many more. Excited to see what they've all come up with.

Very excited for this! I wonder what they'll perform. It will be interesting to see if this is live or pre-recorded like the Global Citizen concert, which was pretty cool!

This is my first one of these. Might be fun.
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Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:37:37 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general. I don't mind them occasionally as part of an album of mostly-original content, but I'm not likely to ever seek out a whole album of covers—not even for an artist I really like (I never bothered with the first two albums in this series, or the DT official bootlegs for MOP, TNOTB or DSOTM).

That said, as HOF said, it seems like something they enjoy and I can't imagine it taking anywhere near as much time as an album of originals, so more power to them if that's what they want to do.

The other thing worth considering is these guys have bills to pay. Their livelihood is in pumping out material to their dedicated but still small fan base. Some musicians have second jobs (or full time day jobs) to make ends meet. Heck, several of the guys in Spock’s Beard have a side band that does covers at weddings and birthday parties and stuff. MP probably does alright because he has a relatively high profile and tours a ton, but I’m sure it’s still somewhat like how a shark has to keep moving to breath. You have to find ways to keep the revenue coming in.

Exactly. Been that way for years.

I'm in because I like 85 to 90 percent of THESE cover songs and I like this lineup.

It is interesting that the last two releases have been cover albums. Well, OK, maybe it isn't.
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Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
I'm not that interested in covers in general. I don't mind them occasionally as part of an album of mostly-original content, but I'm not likely to ever seek out a whole album of covers—not even for an artist I really like (I never bothered with the first two albums in this series, or the DT official bootlegs for MOP, TNOTB or DSOTM).

That said, as HOF said, it seems like something they enjoy and I can't imagine it taking anywhere near as much time as an album of originals, so more power to them if that's what they want to do.

The other thing worth considering is these guys have bills to pay. Their livelihood is in pumping out material to their dedicated but still small fan base. Some musicians have second jobs (or full time day jobs) to make ends meet. Heck, several of the guys in Spock’s Beard have a side band that does covers at weddings and birthday parties and stuff. MP probably does alright because he has a relatively high profile and tours a ton, but I’m sure it’s still somewhat like how a shark has to keep moving to breath. You have to find ways to keep the revenue coming in.

I agree, but how much income does this even provide? Unless they tour it to decent sized crowds, this release won't generate any substantial income for them. That's why so many bands tour 24/7, because record sales bring in so little, and those are bands with a huge following. MP's 2nd cover album of the year ain't gonna bring in a ton. I'd be surprised if it does more than offset the price of making it.

The other side of the coin is that it's just a fun thing to do.  I can't see a lot of serious time invested in this. On it's own, it's doesn't affect the bottom line much on either side of the ledger.
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Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:44:36 AM
So..cover album? Seriously?

I think it was called "But Seriously..." but I'm not a fan of that album either...
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Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Great post 425. I think sitting down and taking the time to write an album can be beneficial for MP. I remember he mentioned somewhere that DT wrote quickly too but the DT had the added benefit of being a band for much longer than most of MP's side projects. I don't think being in one band is what MP is going for these days. He seems really happy churning stuff with handful of the same guys.

For all we know, he may be writing his OWN album. There's certainly time for that now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
I'm sure there's local musicians in Eastern PA that have tons of talent/creativity where they could jam locally and create something extraordinary for the first time in years. But honestly, he's probably just too old and comfortable to rock his boat.

Sorry, no matter how many times he asks I've told him I refuse to be a guest drummer on this album.

Glad you cleared that up, Nick.

By the way, How are things?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:55:43 AM
IMHO, Peter Trewavas was a household name even 20 years ago when SMPTE came out (keep in mind that Marillion were on duty for 21 years already at that point, 41 years to date), Neal and Roine probably were not. (or not as much as MP and Peter Trewavas anyway)

He's been a name in my household for about 35 years now, but I'm not sure that's the case in general.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 11:59:51 AM
  Whether it gets executed the right way or not isn't the same thing.  I don't have any quibble with the two weeks; some of my favorite albums were done in HOURS, let along weeks, and at this point you have to assume that two weeks is "together time" and that each member has pieces, bits and bobs that can be fit into the puzzle.   I think for me, and I've said this before, is the problem is the niche aspect.   Dream Theater was new; it wasn't metal (in the sense of Maiden), it wasn't "prog" (in the sense of Yes), it wasn't AOR (in the sense of Journey), it was a happy amalgam of all those things.   There were no limits.   Now, it seems like his projects are all genre and niche focused.  "Here's my trad prog offering"; "here's my metal offering"; "here's my neo-prog offering"; "here's my 70's rock offering".    And I'd rather hear the natural expression of ALL those influences in one place, like DT was.  I don't want to have to put on this record for this, and that record for that, because then I have to put up with great (sometimes) music, but Jeff screaming on top, when it would be cool to see what, for example, Casey could do with that.    Or I don't want to have to put up with great (occassionally) music, but have it be just Ritchie's guitar, when it would be cool to see what, for example, Jordan Rudess could do with that.   And on down the line.

We might be in the minority on that one.  If it can't easily labeled these days there may not be a market for it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 09, 2020, 12:08:33 PM
I barely get recognition of the name of the band when I talk about "Kayleigh", which here was a moderately big hit.  In fact, right before COVID-19, I was in Atlanta having dinner at a restaurant that used to be my local Italian place when I lived there.  I had been there before and knew a couple of the people at the bar and we were talking about music and stuff.   At one point the bartender hollered at one of the waitresses "Kayleigh!" (well, I know now that it's Kaylee).  Later I asked the server how old her parents were, and after she called security and the bar-patrons laughed, I explained why.  Two or three of the people knew the song, not one knew the band, let alone the bass player.   

Probably told this story before, but a cashier at a the grocery store I go to had that name spelled the correct way on her name tag and I asked how she got the name and her parents told her she was named after some song by a band that she didn't know and of course she didn't know who Marillion was when I mentioned it.

I didn't expect to run in to that in the US, but I was kind of impressed it happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on May 09, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
Anyone see MP's performance on the show put together by The Prog Report just now? I think there was some discussion in this thread but it sure looked like he was playing a fretless bass in this performance. Have to say, really enjoyed his performance. He's much more of an all-round musician than I realised.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 09, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Anyone see MP's performance on the show put together by The Prog Report just now? I think there was some discussion in this thread but it sure looked like he was playing a fretless bass in this performance. Have to say, really enjoyed his performance. He's much more of an all-round musician than I realised.

Yup, I remember that discussion. and yup, that was a fretless bass
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2020, 03:06:38 PM
Indeed fretless. Called it.

He kept it to a minimum, but it worked.

His daughter has a surprisingly lovely voice!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 09, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
Indeed fretless. Called it.

He kept it to a minimum, but it worked.

His daughter has a surprisingly lovely voice!

Melody went to school for theater/vocal performance and had a gig in a show at one point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 10, 2020, 08:17:09 AM
Since pop can now play a little bass guitar and electric guitar, I would imagine it is only a matter of time before we get a Portnoy tour featuring his daughter on lead vocals, his son on drums, and himself doing a little bit of everything, and with probably another musician or two in the mix to fill out the band.  Would give him a chance to play stuff from all 481 of his bands/projects.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on May 10, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
Since pop can now play a little bass guitar and electric guitar, I would imagine it is only a matter of time before we get a Portnoy tour featuring his daughter on lead vocals, his son on drums, and himself doing a little bit of everything, and with probably another musician or two in the mix to fill out the band.  Would give him a chance to play stuff from all 481 of his bands/projects.

How could you forget Marlene, who played guitar in the all-female band Meanstreak? The whole Portnoy family is musically inclined! They could easily tour as a single band together with Marlene on guitar, Mike on bass, Max on drums, and Melody on vocals.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 10, 2020, 10:25:09 AM
Since pop can now play a little bass guitar and electric guitar, I would imagine it is only a matter of time before we get a Portnoy tour featuring his daughter on lead vocals, his son on drums, and himself doing a little bit of everything, and with probably another musician or two in the mix to fill out the band.  Would give him a chance to play stuff from all 481 of his bands/projects.

How could you forget Marlene, who played guitar in the all-female band Meanstreak? The whole Portnoy family is musically inclined! They could easily tour as a single band together with Marlene on guitar, Mike on bass, Max on drums, and Melody on vocals.

-Marc.

The Portnoy Family (instead of Partridge, get it?).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Tick on May 10, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
Didn't really care for Mikes thing. His daughters singing I did appreciate a lot.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 12, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Anyone see MP's performance on the show put together by The Prog Report just now? I think there was some discussion in this thread but it sure looked like he was playing a fretless bass in this performance. Have to say, really enjoyed his performance. He's much more of an all-round musician than I realised.

That was one of my favorite performances. I love that.  He needs to get his daughter involved in one of his projects. Mike is at his best when he does stuff like that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on May 12, 2020, 03:50:09 PM
Yes that cover was a joy to watch, the Ramones one he did earlier too was a lot of fun.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on May 13, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
That keyboard player in the video has a striking resemblance to JLB at certain angles. I can't un-see it now.
 Great job on the song, MP's daughter sings quite well.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
Roger Manning, Jr., from Jellyfish, the band that originally did that song (though it's written by Andy Sturmer, Manning's sometimes estranged writing partner).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on May 13, 2020, 12:07:43 PM
That's awesome!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on May 13, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
I understand that I wanna stay home is a perfect song to cover during the pandemic, but it's always been one of my least favorite songs on Bellybutton. Still nice to see someone cover Jellyfish and give them more exposure.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
I understand that I wanna stay home is a perfect song to cover during the pandemic, but it's always been one of my least favorite songs on Bellybutton. Still nice to see someone cover Jellyfish and give them more exposure.

I've really gotten into them lately.  I'm a big fan. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 13, 2020, 12:47:13 PM
He needs to get his daughter involved in one of his projects.

That would not fit with his standard operating procedure. She isn't an aging, past-their-prime legacy act living off work they did 20+ years ago.   :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 13, 2020, 12:48:09 PM
He needs to get his daughter involved in one of his projects.

That would not fit with his standard operating procedure. She isn't an aging, past-their-prime legacy act living off work they did 20+ years ago.   :D

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: utopiarun on May 13, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
I understand that I wanna stay home is a perfect song to cover during the pandemic, but it's always been one of my least favorite songs on Bellybutton. Still nice to see someone cover Jellyfish and give them more exposure.


I thought MP's cover was ok. Everything was good except him singing the verses an octave lower than Andy did. Thought Melody was excellent and a cutie pie to boot! Not sure how much exposure Jellyfish will get from the at home concert, they are well respected in the rock community but any bit can't hurt. It's a shame nobody can convince Andy Sturmer to come back to popular music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 13, 2020, 12:57:24 PM
I understand that I wanna stay home is a perfect song to cover during the pandemic, but it's always been one of my least favorite songs on Bellybutton. Still nice to see someone cover Jellyfish and give them more exposure.

I've really gotten into them lately.  I'm a big fan.

I finally got around to hearing them a few months ago, thanks to my younger brother who sent me Bellybutton.  Very cool album, with catchy, fun melodies all over the place. I still need to get the second album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 13, 2020, 01:02:07 PM
I’ve tried several times to get into Jellyfish via steaming, but I’ve always gotten my attention pulled away to something else. I like the sound of them though. Probably need to invest in an actual CD to make myself give it a full listen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on May 14, 2020, 03:55:04 AM
Anyone that is into the Flying Colors debut should give a listen to Jellyfish. The solo in Calling Sarah reminds me of Love is what I'm waiting for. It could be a Queen influence rather than Jellyfish, though. I don't know if Neal is as big of a fan as Mike is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on May 14, 2020, 07:10:22 AM
I love Jellyfish and Bellybutton is great but...Spilt Milk is one of my favorite albums ever!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 14, 2020, 08:52:20 AM
It's not for me to suggest what some should like or not, but I know for me, I heard all these references to them (not just from Mike) and decided to give them a try on... I forget, YooToobs or Spotify or something.   And I was like "wha?", I didn't get it.  Cute song, but anyone could do this in their basement.   Then I somehow got a copy of Bellybutton - the version with the bonus live tracks - in an auction on eBay for like $0.50 and free shipping with a couple other CDs and figured, WTF.   Long story short, being a huge McCartney/Beatles fan, the run of ""Let 'Em In/That Is Why" (Live), "The King Is Half Undressed" (Live) and "Jet" (Live) just won me over.  Then I got the remastered expanded releases of Bellybutton and Spilt Milk, and got to hear the demo versions of all those songs (some VERY different) and it just really clicked with me.  I got it.   Now, while they are both very different records, I find myself gravitating to them a lot.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 16, 2020, 08:57:41 AM
I love Jellyfish and Bellybutton is great but...Spilt Milk is one of my favorite albums ever!

Just have those two original CDs and Faulker's Author Unknown which I also like. Haven't gotten around to the Jellyfish reissues yet.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 16, 2020, 09:01:28 AM
Yes that cover was a joy to watch, the Ramones one he did earlier too was a lot of fun.

I hope there's more like those in the pipeline.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on May 16, 2020, 03:22:47 PM
Mike reposted the MA We Rock video in honor of Dio.

I can’t believe this one slipped by me somehow. I almost thought it was new. I also have to say that I’m more often lukewarm on MP’s covers than not, but I thought this cover in particular was EXCELLENT. Maybe it was just the energy. Everyone in the video just felt like they were really into it and not just throwing their hat in the ring.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 16, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
Yea. The We Rock thing was fantastic. Was hoping Metal Allegiance was like that. Sadly not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 16, 2020, 05:32:57 PM
I just received my promo copy of BPMD for my review. Will take it for a spin on my night run now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 17, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
Is BPMD the least memorable band never ever? ELP runs together to at least make a sound if you had a hard time remembering E-L-P. UFO has an alternate meaning most people are aware of. ACDC runs off the tongue nicely and AC and DC have meanings. ABBA can be said as a word and has symmetry. BPMD is just awkward.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 17, 2020, 02:26:29 PM
Don’t forget PSMS or whatever it was called.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 17, 2020, 02:32:34 PM
Don’t forget PSMS

I totally did. That just proves my point!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 17, 2020, 02:52:43 PM
Is BPMD the least memorable band never ever? ELP runs together to at least make a sound if you had a hard time remembering E-L-P. UFO has an alternate meaning most people are aware of. ACDC runs off the tongue nicely and AC and DC have meanings. ABBA can be said as a word and has symmetry. BPMD is just awkward.
I guess it is, but: IIRC, Mike is a fan of rap music (Beastie Boys and the like) and I'm sure he knows about a rap band called EPMD. That might have been his tongue in cheek reference there. (or not, what do I know)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 17, 2020, 04:50:48 PM
I think in both cases - PSMS and BPMD - the intention is that these are one-off deals, and not permanent entities. PSMS was just a tour that stemmed from a one-off show, and BPMD is just the four guys killing time and putting something else on the market, with no intention of a follow up album or a tour. So why bother creating an amazing band name when it could be saved for something more substantial?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 17, 2020, 05:01:02 PM
I think in both cases - PSMS and BPMD - the intention is that these are one-off deals, and not permanent entities. PSMS was just a tour that stemmed from a one-off show, and BPMD is just the four guys killing time and putting something else on the market, with no intention of a follow up album or a tour. So why bother creating an amazing band name when it could be saved for something more substantial?

Great isn’t necessary. But good is. These are terrible names. Music might be amazing, but you need a name that at the very least is memorable. Those really aren’t at all. I had to google the PMS one cause I already forgot it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on May 17, 2020, 05:37:47 PM
I think in both cases - PSMS and BPMD - the intention is that these are one-off deals, and not permanent entities. PSMS was just a tour that stemmed from a one-off show, and BPMD is just the four guys killing time and putting something else on the market, with no intention of a follow up album or a tour. So why bother creating an amazing band name when it could be saved for something more substantial?

I would ask why bother creating a band just for a one off thing instead of doing something more substantial? :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 17, 2020, 06:02:47 PM
I think in both cases - PSMS and BPMD - the intention is that these are one-off deals, and not permanent entities. PSMS was just a tour that stemmed from a one-off show, and BPMD is just the four guys killing time and putting something else on the market, with no intention of a follow up album or a tour. So why bother creating an amazing band name when it could be saved for something more substantial?

I would ask why bother creating a band just for a one off thing instead of doing something more substantial? :corn

Because that's what they wanted out of both scenarios. Some endeavours are meant to be one-offs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2020, 08:46:19 AM
HSAS.   Hagar, Schon, Aaronson, Shrieve.  It is what it is.   For me, that's pretty low on the list of things to complain about re: Mike's 86 bands. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2020, 08:48:20 AM
Anyone know the origin of those shirts that are stylized like

name
&
name
&
name
&
name?

I see Mike wearing those shirts a lot and I want to say it originates from a band (probably someone super popular that I should be ashamed of not knowing - Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young maybe)? I feel like that sort of thing might play a role in these PSMS, BPMD, ADHD, PTSD bands, maybe he just likes that sort of thing, a few names doing stuff as a one-off
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 18, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
I know that design with the first names of famous feminist writers, that's where I saw it first like ten years ago:
(https://i2.wp.com/coolhunting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/large-32.jpg?resize=598%2C598&ssl=1)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 18, 2020, 08:57:55 AM
Some actual MP appreciation:

Hello, Helicopter! Just popped up as I’m shuffling my collection on my computer. Ironically, Mike hated the way Kevin Moore chopped up all his drum parts, and it’s definitely not his usual style, but there is a lot of cool drumming on the first OSI album, including this track which remains one of my favorites.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 18, 2020, 09:00:33 AM
Agreed, the drumming on the first OSI album is super cool, some of his best IMO even if it's heavily edited.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 18, 2020, 09:43:26 AM


Is BPMD the least memorable band never ever? ELP runs together to at least make a sound if you had a hard time remembering E-L-P. UFO has an alternate meaning most people are aware of. ACDC runs off the tongue nicely and AC and DC have meanings. ABBA can be said as a word and has symmetry. BPMD is just awkward.



Maybe it's a reference to a certain BP station in Maryland.  Or a doctor:  Blood Pressure, MD.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 18, 2020, 09:46:13 AM
Now up on shuffle, The Glass Prison, a song I don’t seek out but when I hear it I tend to get a little transfixed by all the craziness. I still think of it as the moment DT kind of jumped the shark musically, but it’s kind of fun to hear from time to time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
I know that design with the first names of famous feminist writers, that's where I saw it first like ten years ago:

I've never seen that design before, but admittedly I also do not know any famous feminist writers. Is the off-center dot and different fonts for each letter part of the style?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 18, 2020, 12:01:53 PM
I've never seen that design before, but admittedly I also do not know any famous feminist writers. Is the off-center dot and different fonts for each letter part of the style?
Google is showing all kinds of hipstery fonts for this one and these names (it's Audre Lorde, Gloria Steinem, Angela Davis and bell hooks), this is just the one I remember seeing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 18, 2020, 12:25:39 PM
I've seen this design for a while available with:

John &
Paul &
Ringo &
George

(You can get it with Ringo and George switched, but why would you want to?  :))

I could have sworn I've seen the same for Zeppelin, but it wasn't there when I googled it. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 18, 2020, 01:07:29 PM
I'd get one like this:

Geddy &
Alex &
Neil &
Terry
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
Personal preference, but I think that style is silly. It's totally something a teenage hipster in NYC would come up with and think was avant garde.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on May 18, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
I want one that says

Me &
Myself &
I &
Nooneelse
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on May 18, 2020, 05:07:00 PM
Some actual MP appreciation:

Hello, Helicopter! Just popped up as I’m shuffling my collection on my computer. Ironically, Mike hated the way Kevin Moore chopped up all his drum parts, and it’s definitely not his usual style, but there is a lot of cool drumming on the first OSI album, including this track which remains one of my favorites.

I was just thinking something along this line the other day when I gave Blood a listen. While MP was out of the band by then, he was the impetus for OSI, and of all the post DT projects he's contributed to, OSI is the only one I revisit with any sort of regularity.

Flying Colors (especially the debut) is a close second - other than that, there just isn't much there for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 18, 2020, 05:09:24 PM
I don’t know a ton about OSI, but I feel like saying MP was the impetus behind it is just not accurate.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 18, 2020, 05:44:58 PM
I don’t know a ton about OSI, but I feel like saying MP was the impetus behind it is just not accurate.

Well it was just him and Jim Matheos at the start, right? Kevin Moore didn't hop on board until later, which is ironic considering he has pretty inarguably the biggest footprint on that band's identity in retrospect.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 18, 2020, 05:46:06 PM
I don’t know a ton about OSI, but I feel like saying MP was the impetus behind it is just not accurate.

Well it was just him and Jim Matheos at the start, right? Kevin Moore didn't hop on board until later, which is ironic considering he has pretty inarguably the biggest footprint on that band's identity in retrospect.

I may be wrong but it sounded like Jim was the impetus and mike was the drummer. I’m not saying he was unimportant, but I can’t see calling mike the driving force of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 18, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
Yup, you're right (according to the wikipedia page)

Quote
Fates Warning guitarist Jim Matheos originally intended to create a progressive metal supergroup while Fates Warning went on hiatus. He recruited Cynic & Gordian Knot Fretless Bass and Chapman Stickist Sean Malone and then-Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy to work on the project. Matheos then asked Chroma Key and ex-Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore to contribute by adding keyboard arrangements to the music he had written.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Volante99 on May 18, 2020, 10:12:57 PM
Anyone know the origin of those shirts that are stylized like

name
&
name
&
name
&
name?

I see Mike wearing those shirts a lot and I want to say it originates from a band (probably someone super popular that I should be ashamed of not knowing - Crosby/Stills/Nash/Young maybe)? I feel like that sort of thing might play a role in these PSMS, BPMD, ADHD, PTSD bands, maybe he just likes that sort of thing, a few names doing stuff as a one-off

It started as a Beatles shirt
John&
Paul&
Ringo&
George.

Source: used to work in the licensed t-shirt biz
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 18, 2020, 10:33:16 PM
I thought it was canonically "John, Paul, George, and Ringo." I have never in my life heard them referred to as a foursome in any other order.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 19, 2020, 07:09:25 AM
I think you're right, in general.  For some reason the shirt is commonly seen in a different order.  I don't know if that's a joke, or just a dipshit move. 

I'm pretty regularly stunned when it comes to that kind of thing, wondering "why did they do it that way?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: New World Rushman on May 19, 2020, 07:53:14 AM
A little Googling found this:

Quote
When we put the four names under each other, without the ampersands, we thought the name ‘George’ was sticking out too much, as this word was the longest. We solved this by putting the name ‘George’ at the bottom on the list, and adding ampersands to all the other names. This way, the list of names looked more even. That’s how the ampersands were introduced in the design.


https://fontsinuse.com/uses/29936/john-and-paul-and-ringo-and-george-and-and-an (https://fontsinuse.com/uses/29936/john-and-paul-and-ringo-and-george-and-and-an)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 19, 2020, 08:19:02 AM
Yup, you're right (according to the wikipedia page)

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Fates Warning guitarist Jim Matheos originally intended to create a progressive metal supergroup while Fates Warning went on hiatus. He recruited Cynic & Gordian Knot Fretless Bass and Chapman Stickist Sean Malone and then-Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy to work on the project. Matheos then asked Chroma Key and ex-Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore to contribute by adding keyboard arrangements to the music he had written.
Yeah, I've listened to an interview where Mike explains how he was disappointed with the way the whole thing turned out. He thought they were going to have a prog metal band, working with Jim was on his bucket list, they were talking about getting Daniel Gildenlow to sing, but then Jim and Kevin started making music together and the plans for the project went out the window.

Jim and Kevin's musical chemistry is a force that warps reality  :lol I really love OSI but I guess from MP's point of view, it was pointless to be a part of that project.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 19, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
Yup, you're right (according to the wikipedia page)

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Fates Warning guitarist Jim Matheos originally intended to create a progressive metal supergroup while Fates Warning went on hiatus. He recruited Cynic & Gordian Knot Fretless Bass and Chapman Stickist Sean Malone and then-Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy to work on the project. Matheos then asked Chroma Key and ex-Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore to contribute by adding keyboard arrangements to the music he had written.
Yeah, I've listened to an interview where Mike explains how he was disappointed with the way the whole thing turned out. He thought they were going to have a prog metal band, working with Jim was on his bucket list, they were talking about getting Daniel Gildenlow to sing, but then Jim and Kevin started making music together and the plans for the project went out the window.

Jim and Kevin's musical chemistry is a force that warps reality  :lol I really love OSI but I guess from MP's point of view, it was pointless to be a part of that project.

This is correct but I do think MP was the impetus for Moore to join. I think it was his idea for Jim to ask him, then once Moore was on board, Portnoy got kind of pushed to the side. At least that is my memory of it.

BTW, I love OSI. Fire Make Thunder might be my favorite though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 19, 2020, 10:07:37 AM
Yup, you're right (according to the wikipedia page)

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Fates Warning guitarist Jim Matheos originally intended to create a progressive metal supergroup while Fates Warning went on hiatus. He recruited Cynic & Gordian Knot Fretless Bass and Chapman Stickist Sean Malone and then-Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy to work on the project. Matheos then asked Chroma Key and ex-Dream Theater keyboardist Kevin Moore to contribute by adding keyboard arrangements to the music he had written.
Yeah, I've listened to an interview where Mike explains how he was disappointed with the way the whole thing turned out. He thought they were going to have a prog metal band, working with Jim was on his bucket list, they were talking about getting Daniel Gildenlow to sing, but then Jim and Kevin started making music together and the plans for the project went out the window.

Jim and Kevin's musical chemistry is a force that warps reality  :lol I really love OSI but I guess from MP's point of view, it was pointless to be a part of that project.

This is correct but I do think MP was the impetus for Moore to join. I think it was his idea for Jim to ask him, then once Moore was on board, Portnoy got kind of pushed to the side. At least that is my memory of it.

BTW, I love OSI. Fire Make Thunder might be my favorite though.

I actually never checked out any OSI after Mike stopped being involved. Part of it was I didn’t like Free as much as the debut (it has some cool stuff but I rarely revisit it). But I do still really like the first one, so maybe I should check the others out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 19, 2020, 10:20:25 AM
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When we put the four names under each other, without the ampersands, we thought the name ‘George’ was sticking out too much, as this word was the longest. We solved this by putting the name ‘George’ at the bottom on the list, and adding ampersands to all the other names. This way, the list of names looked more even. That’s how the ampersands were introduced in the design.

So they changed the canonical order of something to fit their hipster design? Brilliant!

Why am I so stuck on this?

And as I predicted, I honestly cannot remember the 4-letter name of that newest project, but it doesn't help that I do not know the 4 members well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 19, 2020, 10:40:44 AM
I actually never checked out any OSI after Mike stopped being involved. Part of it was I didn’t like Free as much as the debut (it has some cool stuff but I rarely revisit it). But I do still really like the first one, so maybe I should check the others out.
Definitely do so. IMO, Free is by far the weakest of all their albums. I'd put Blood and Fire Make Thunder on pretty much equal footing with the debut.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 19, 2020, 10:57:41 AM
Free might be my favorite album actually. I rate Blood and FMT very highly too, especially FMT, but Free is one of my favorite albums in general.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on May 19, 2020, 11:05:27 AM
Their debut used to be my favorite of theirs, but idk if that's still the case. The more electronic-focused songs on Blood are easily my favorite things the band has ever done, but that album as a whole has a severe lack of cohesion between those songs and the more hard-rocking ones.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 19, 2020, 03:20:47 PM
I liked Blood a lot when it was first out, but I haven't listened to it in forever.

Free had some really weak songs, but had some really great ones as well.

I can't even remember if I've heard the 4th album. :lol :lol

The debut it still the one I like the most overall.  It is very good from start to finish. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 19, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
Yeah, Free is amazing all the way through. I guess the first couple of rock-ier tracks are a littler weaker? But even they're really good.

Fire Make Thunder is really good as well, although I think there was an instrumental on there that didn't do much for me? I haven't listened to much off that one other than Invisible Men in a while.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 20, 2020, 11:16:32 AM
New BPMD song/video revealed today: https://youtu.be/wirtQmNL4k4
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 20, 2020, 11:27:41 AM
New BPMD song/video revealed today: https://youtu.be/wirtQmNL4k4

What an odd song. Most of those songs are so odd. It's like they're trying to see how few records they can sell or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on May 20, 2020, 05:29:09 PM
Clutch covered that song last year and did it much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDehbNb4Q1Y
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on May 20, 2020, 05:49:56 PM
I liked Blood a lot when it was first out, but I haven't listened to it in forever.

Free had some really weak songs, but had some really great ones as well.

I can't even remember if I've heard the 4th album. :lol :lol

The debut it still the one I like the most overall.  It is very good from start to finish.

This is where I stand with OSI. I remember really liking a lot of the songs on Free when it came out, but the first is the only one I ever go back to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on May 20, 2020, 05:59:05 PM
Who the heck are Clutch?  I watched the video, and then YouTube kept playing their songs, and they look like they've been around forever.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 20, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Who the heck are Clutch?  I watched the video, and then YouTube kept playing their songs, and they look like they've been around forever.

Wait... you don't know Clutch???? Stop EVERYTHING and go check them out, man!!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on May 21, 2020, 06:40:53 AM
Who the heck are Clutch?  I watched the video, and then YouTube kept playing their songs, and they look like they've been around forever.

Wait... you don't know Clutch???? Stop EVERYTHING and go check them out, man!!!!

This. Go check out the album Psychic Warfare, bosk. That’s the album that got me hooked on them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 21, 2020, 08:56:35 AM
New BPMD song/video revealed today: https://youtu.be/wirtQmNL4k4

What an odd song. Most of those songs are so odd. It's like they're trying to see how few records they can sell or something.

This makes "Toys..." seem like "Master Of Puppets".   Though I will say, Mike delivers on the drum track; vintage Appice, with a little Bonham thrown in there for good measure.   It would be far better as an instrumental though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2020, 03:39:35 PM
Who the heck are Clutch?  I watched the video, and then YouTube kept playing their songs, and they look like they've been around forever.

Wait... you don't know Clutch???? Stop EVERYTHING and go check them out, man!!!!

This. Go check out the album Psychic Warfare, bosk. That’s the album that got me hooked on them.

Clutch are pretty popular over here in the northeast, and while I've heard of them since I was young, I never listened until a few years ago. Not bad, but not my thing either.  Ended up seeing them though because Devin Townsend was the opener.  Good guitar music, but vocals kind of aren't for me.  Love his aggression live though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 21, 2020, 09:54:08 PM
I kind of envy all of you who were able to not get too deep into OSI, I will have to suffer for a few more years until both Jim and Kevin wind down with the other stuff (lol, "other stuff", only two of my fave musical entities of all time, FW and Chroma Key) enough to have time to make a new record  :lol wondering if Gavin will still be around for that one. Perhaps in the meanwhile Mike forgot about how he hated working with KM and would be willing to jump on a new one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on May 21, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
I could never get into OSI. Kev's vocals do absolutely nothing for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on May 21, 2020, 10:47:46 PM
I'll hop in on this OSI conversation. Like some others, I really only ever go back to the debut album, mostly because of the more heavy and prog-metal sound of it compared to the later ones, but that isn't to say that I don't enjoy the other three albums.

As for the origin of the band, I don't think it was mentioned, but wasn't the project originally a way for Mike and Jim to work together after Jim could not commit to joining Mike for Transatlantic? I think Mike was in for it until he had to work with Kevin, and then things got messy after that first album, which probably explains his limited role in the second album, and eventual departure.

As for a fifth album, I wouldn't mind if Kevin and Jim worked with another drummer, kind of mix it up so that every two albums features a different drummer. Marco Minnemann would be a hot pick, but I think Thomas Lang would work too. I could also hear someone like Andy Edwards for Craig Blundell as well. But they could just as easily write programmed drums by themselves and just produce the album as a duo with a few guests.

I honestly doubt Mike would ever return to OSI, unless he knew it would lead to a tour where he could pull in a huge audience that would love to see Mike and Kevin play together live for the first time in over 25 years. Could you imagine that show?? I'm sure they would play a hefty amount of IAW/Awake material, and probably do "Space-Dye Vest", with Mike prefacing it's performance by saying something like "For the first time played live by the man who wrote it!". :lol

-Marc.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 22, 2020, 01:33:08 AM
As for the origin of the band, I don't think it was mentioned, but wasn't the project originally a way for Mike and Jim to work together after Jim could not commit to joining Mike for Transatlantic?
Yes.


I think Mike was in for it until he had to work with Kevin, and then things got messy after that first album, which probably explains his limited role in the second album, and eventual departure.
Not exactly. Even after KM came on board and Daniel Gildenlow was given the boot, MP was still all in. What turned MP off completely was the way KM was a stick in the mud, unwilling to collaborate.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 22, 2020, 04:53:29 AM
I mean, Kevin was willing to collaborate... only within the context of his own vision of how the drums would end up inside the music :lol

Again, wasn't the best deal for Mike. As a fan of OSI/Kevin I can say shit like, I wish he was able to loosen up a little and appreciate being part of a unique project that made him sound different than ever before. But in terms of a creative aspect, I guess for him it was a step below being a session drummer, even though for us, we can definitely hear the difference between the drummers and what they added to the project.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 22, 2020, 06:49:55 AM
As for the origin of the band, I don't think it was mentioned, but wasn't the project originally a way for Mike and Jim to work together after Jim could not commit to joining Mike for Transatlantic?
Yes.


I think Mike was in for it until he had to work with Kevin, and then things got messy after that first album, which probably explains his limited role in the second album, and eventual departure.
Not exactly. Even after KM came on board and Daniel Gildenlow was given the boot, MP was still all in. What turned MP off completely was the way KM was a stick in the mud, unwilling to collaborate.

I don't think that's really fair. Jim and Kevin were clearly on the same page musically with what they wanted the project to be after the first album, but Mike wasn't really into something that wasn't his typical prog-metal outfit.

Not saying Kevin was perfectly receptive to any of Mike's ideas or anything, but putting all the blame on Kevin as Mike tends to do doesn't really seem accurate.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on May 22, 2020, 07:18:23 AM
Pre-orders up at Radiant

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Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 22, 2020, 07:35:15 AM
putting all the blame on Kevin as Mike tends to do doesn't really seem accurate.
Yeah, thanks for saying that instead of me. There's a reason why MP hated working on these albums and Jim and Kevin loved it, it's that Jim and Kevin were willing to put their points of view into the OSI blender and see what came out, and MP was unwilling.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 07:47:54 AM
It's likely no one's fault. It's just a bad fit.

Not every artist can work with every other artist. Differing styles, visions, ethics, etc. Doesn't mean one was being unreasonable in anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on May 22, 2020, 08:25:09 AM
Listening to "The Thing That Never Was" from the first album, you really get a sense of what Jim and Mike wanted the project to be initially, and yeah, it was more prog-metal oriented. It still had some of those quieter moments as well, all of which were re-worked on the final album, but after the debut, I think Mike just realized how different the whole project ended up being.

I've always enjoyed the heavier and proggier side of things, which is why I probably enjoy the first OSI album more, especially since Mike was more able to be himself on that on album than on Free, where he was only a session musician anyway.

It's likely no one's fault. It's just a bad fit.

Not every artist can work with every other artist. Differing styles, visions, ethics, etc. Doesn't mean one was being unreasonable in anyway.

Seems likely, although I believe Mike was probably just unable to handle working with someone who had particularly strong ideas about the drum parts when Mike is pretty committed to his drumming.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 22, 2020, 08:34:01 AM
The thing is, Mike had plenty of full on drum parts in the first OSI. The first two tracks were pretty much classic MP. The bonus disc also has one of my favorite MP moments, the cover of Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun.

I’m not gonna say Mike should have hung in with OSI if he didn’t like the direction, or clashed with Kevin, or whatever. Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 22, 2020, 08:38:55 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 22, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).

Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on May 22, 2020, 09:47:27 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).

Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 22, 2020, 10:07:08 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).


Do you have a link for this?
Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on May 22, 2020, 10:12:37 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).


Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.

Do you have a link for this?

FTFY.

Also, I would like to know where in the doc this "disappointing clip" comes in? I'm scanning through the doc right now, but I'm curious as to where it actually is.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on May 22, 2020, 10:18:10 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).


Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.

Do you have a link for this?

FTFY.

Also, I would like to know where in the doc this "disappointing clip" comes in? I'm scanning through the doc right now, but I'm curious as to where it actually is.

-Marc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22mDDUizmxE - around the 7 minute mark
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).


Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.

Do you have a link for this?

FTFY.

Also, I would like to know where in the doc this "disappointing clip" comes in? I'm scanning through the doc right now, but I'm curious as to where it actually is.

-Marc.

Doesn't exist.  Just typical DTA taking something out of context to make it into something it isn't, just as long as it makes MP look bad.  Anyone who has halfway listened to MP's playing throughout his career could never say he doesn't care about his drum parts.  The fact that, in the moment, he did not want to redo one drum part that he was happy with does not equate to him not caring about his drum parts (and, by the way, if you keep watching the doc, Mike says later on that after they slept on it, he had a change of heart about a lot of stuff that had happened the previous days). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 22, 2020, 11:06:02 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).


Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.

Do you have a link for this?

FTFY.

Also, I would like to know where in the doc this "disappointing clip" comes in? I'm scanning through the doc right now, but I'm curious as to where it actually is.

-Marc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22mDDUizmxE - around the 7 minute mark

Thanks! And yeah, it's been more quantity over quality for him for a few years now, sadly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on May 22, 2020, 11:18:38 AM
Ultimately though, I do still think that first album holds up as one of the most interesting things he’s been a part of, and even a highlight of his own drumming.
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).


Yeah, I think sticking with a project like that might have stretched his playing in ways he doesn’t really get stretched when he just does his standard thing. That in itself is too bad.

He doesn't give a shit about his drumming anymore and hasn't for many years. He just wants to get it done and move on. That segment in the Similitude Making-Of makes that pretty obvious...one of the most disappointing clips of him I've ever seen.

Do you have a link for this?

FTFY.

Also, I would like to know where in the doc this "disappointing clip" comes in? I'm scanning through the doc right now, but I'm curious as to where it actually is.

-Marc.

Doesn't exist.  Just typical DTA taking something out of context to make it into something it isn't, just as long as it makes MP look bad.  Anyone who has halfway listened to MP's playing throughout his career could never say he doesn't care about his drum parts.  The fact that, in the moment, he did not want to redo one drum part that he was happy with does not equate to him not caring about his drum parts (and, by the way, if you keep watching the doc, Mike says later on that after they slept on it, he had a change of heart about a lot of stuff that had happened the previous days).

How is it out of context? It's clearly him saying "I don't care how it sounds...just fix it in mixing or replace the snare sounds digitally". Meanwhile Neal, who has created infinite solo albums and could phone it in at this point and still collect a paycheck, still wants to spend time redoing stuff just to make sure it sounds perfect. Musicians who are willing to settle are disappointing to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 22, 2020, 11:22:06 AM
One moment in time as a bellweather of his entire outlook on his 35 year career.  Okay; you're entitled to that point of view, but I for one, disagree.   He also, as noted, admitted that he reconsidered that position. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
Exactly.  And "I like how this track sounds and don't want to redo it" or "I am complete satisfied with this, and as long as you like the playing, but just don't like the tuning on the snare, we can just fix that in post instead of redoing the entire thing" do not equate to not caring.  Those are just simply not the same thing at all. 

From a discussion in another thread, I got watching some videos from Jeff Porcaro last night.  And he said in a number of places that a LOT of the studio work he has done for a number of different artists consisted of him doing the drums for a song in one take and leaving it as-is.  And he CLEARLY has passion for his work and the end result.  Him doing a one-take, and realizing that it isn't perfect, but still not re-doing it, similarly does not equate to "not caring." 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 22, 2020, 12:10:08 PM
Not saying Kevin was perfectly receptive to any of Mike's ideas or anything, but putting all the blame on Kevin as Mike tends to do doesn't really seem accurate.
I think this is the key. While MP was happy to consider what KM brought to the table, KM didn't have the same consideration for MP. And that is unfortunate, especially since this started out as an MP/Jim Matheos collaboration. Had MP been allowed to give his input, OSI would have had some differences, sure, but I doubt MP would've been willing to walk away after only doing the one album with them.
 
 
There's a reason why MP hated working on these albums and Jim and Kevin loved it, it's that Jim and Kevin were willing to put their points of view into the OSI blender and see what came out, and MP was unwilling.
The problem is, there was no room for MP to be included in the blender. 
 
 
I believe Mike was probably just unable to handle working with someone who had particularly strong ideas about the drum parts when Mike is pretty committed to his drumming.
I don't think that's necessarily the case though. I remember reading an interview with MP, where, while he didn't like the fact that his drum tracks were sliced and diced, he could still see the artistic merit in what was done. But I think it was because all his other ideas were shutdown (no pun intended) that he was turned off by the whole thing.
 
 
Yeah, really all I'm saying is it's a shame he doesn't see it that way and that he would have preferred it to sound 100% MP instead. He can do MP anywhere (and he does, and does it well).
Again, from the interview that I read with him, that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 22, 2020, 01:07:23 PM
Pre-orders up at Radiant

https://nealmorse.com/product/cov3r-to-cov3r-morse-portnoy-george/?attribute_pa_format=3-cd-digipak-in-slipcase

There’s a little snippet of “Baker Street” here:

https://morseportnoygeorge.lnk.to/Cov3rtoCov3r

Sounds pretty good actually, but I had no idea that songs was called Baker Street. One of those ubiquitous classic rock tunes I never bothered to find out anything about, including the band or title. It’s just that song with the sax hook.
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Post by: emtee on May 22, 2020, 01:19:17 PM
My take is that Mike cares a great deal about his recorded performances. However, I don't think he puts the same emphasis on creating unique approaches and fills nowadays. He has his style and his bag of tricks and usually a very limited amount of time to record. It's just where he is now with his career.

The Baker Street clip didn't sound pleasing to my ears.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2020, 01:30:32 PM
Oof, that clip of Baker Street was not one I enjoyed at all. I get that musicians put their own spins on songs they cover, but Portnoy bashing the crap out of his drums over the main sax lead seems like a really bad decision.
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Post by: Stadler on May 22, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Oh no.  That's one of my favorite songs of all time, and I remember getting the Foo Fighters version and being all excited until I heard they butchered it.   I'm on a call now so can't listen but I've got a bad feeling about this.
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 02:08:11 PM
The MP approach is one of my favorite drum approaches. It works in a ton of ideas and songs.


That was not one of them. Pretty awful.
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Post by: HOF on May 22, 2020, 02:16:15 PM
Jeeze, guys. If you’re gonna play a classic rock standard straight up, what’s the point? I guess the drums do seem a little busy, but the bass is cool at least.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 02:20:52 PM
Jeeze, guys. If you’re gonna play a classic rock standard straight up, what’s the point? I guess the drums do seem a little busy, but the bass is cool at least.

That’s a false dichotomy. I don’t like straight up covers. I like well done covers. The drums, for me, really don’t work there.
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 22, 2020, 02:25:00 PM
Didn't sound bad at all (until the vocals started). Still not something I'd listen to.
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Post by: HOF on May 22, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
Jeeze, guys. If you’re gonna play a classic rock standard straight up, what’s the point? I guess the drums do seem a little busy, but the bass is cool at least.

That’s a false dichotomy. I don’t like straight up covers. I like well done covers. The drums, for me, really don’t work there.

Sure, he could have used a different approach and still not done it straight up. I’m more trying not to have a strong opinion about it. I certainly didn’t expect him to break any new ground as far as his playing on this.
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
Again, false dichotomy.

If someone plays a blast beat over pop music, it likely will sound like crap. Not cause blast beats or bad or cause it’s not pushing new grounds, but because it just didn’t fit. That’s how I felt about this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 22, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
Eh, that’s fine. I admit it’s a little busy for what’s more of a laid back jazzy song. Not really Mike’s strong suit. But if they want to make it not a laid back jazzy song, that could work too. Might need to hear the whole thing to really say.
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Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 02:37:31 PM
Eh, that’s fine. I admit it’s a little busy for what’s more of a laid back jazzy song. Not really Mike’s strong suit. But if they want to make it not a laid back jazzy song, that could work too. Might need to hear the whole thing to really say.


Also a fair point. Context can often change things.
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Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2020, 07:39:39 AM
Huh.  I went on iTunes and I can hear the entire song.  Hmm.  I'm not sure I like it, but it makes a LOT more sense in the big picture.  He does not play that the entire song, so there's contrast.  Neal oversings it a bit - one of the charms for me is the languid way that Gerry Rafferty sings it - but this isn't as bad as the snippet suggests.   

EDIT:  Oh, and if Mike's drums are out of context, wait until you hear the guitar solo........... :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2020, 08:41:28 AM
To be fair, Baker Street is one of those songs that is so unique and distinctive that it is hard to image anyone doing it justice by covering it. The sax, the sound of Rafferty's voice, that guitar tone, the production, the mix...it is all just perfect on the original, and there is just no way for anyone else to get all of those ingredients just right to come close to matching it, IMO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 23, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
Yet another MP cover song, George Harrison’s “I Got My Mind Set On You.” Not sure who these people are (from the band Firewind?).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Y68_d-25DDE
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Post by: ytserush on May 23, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
Don’t forget PSMS or whatever it was called.

That's been a favorite of mine, but I doubt that will ever happen again.
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Post by: Adami on May 23, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Yet another MP cover song, George Harrison’s “I Got My Mind Set On You.” Not sure who these people are (from the band Firewind?).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Y68_d-25DDE

That was cool. Short and fun. Like it. Didn’t know that girl also sang.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 23, 2020, 05:40:27 PM
Yeah, Free is amazing all the way through. I guess the first couple of rock-ier tracks are a littler weaker? But even they're really good.

Fire Make Thunder is really good as well, although I think there was an instrumental on there that didn't do much for me? I haven't listened to much off that one other than Invisible Men in a while.

I'm good with all of it myself although it's been a while since I've indulged in any of it.
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Post by: MoraWintersoul on May 23, 2020, 05:44:31 PM
Not sure who these people are (from the band Firewind?).
Gus G is from Firewind. Gus G is great, Firewind is great.
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Post by: Adami on May 23, 2020, 05:46:17 PM
The girl is the guitarist for Evanescence.
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Post by: ytserush on May 23, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Oh no.  That's one of my favorite songs of all time, and I remember getting the Foo Fighters version and being all excited until I heard they butchered it.   I'm on a call now so can't listen but I've got a bad feeling about this.

Don't mind the Foo Fighters version myself, although it's no match for the original.

I guess I'll find out in July if I like what was done,
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
Yet another MP cover song, George Harrison’s “I Got My Mind Set On You.” Not sure who these people are (from the band Firewind?).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Y68_d-25DDE

I'll take "Songs I Never Thought Mike Portnoy Would Cover For $500, Alex"!!

Fun little jam.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 25, 2020, 08:12:19 AM
Baker Street video up on YouTube now. You could probably say it lacks any of the subtlety of the original, but I enjoyed it done as a Neal Morse tune way more than I expected.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3lz_nOv0qPYgehmAwMe3hKfLhLEVDMZQJbVPIAviDQPegX83zBY1EP3cE&v=IszlXuQ99Fo&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on May 25, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
It's not bad.

There's a reason why I like the original. It's somber and laid back, this one wasn't as much.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 25, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
Cover is awesome really cool!
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Post by: TAC on May 25, 2020, 03:55:24 PM
I hate to say it, but Neal's vocals are awful in this song.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
Unrelated to the present thread of discussion, but definitely thread-related:  I am for the first time checking out Mike's Amazing Journey DVD this morning.  I am not a big Who fan, and I have not been a total completeist regarding all of DT's side projects through the years.  But I picked up a used copy of this awhile back from someone on this forum who was cleaning house (I forget who at the moment), and just remembered it today when I was looking for something to put on in the background while working.  Question for those in the know about this:  Is there a fifth musician who thus far (3 songs in) isn't shown?  I obviously know about Portnoy/Cherone/Gilbert/Sheehan.  But during the intro of Baba O'Riley, there is clearly guitar, but Paul isn't playing (he is banging a tamborine).  And there are prominent keyboards on that track and others.  Did they have someone else off camera?  Or are they using a backing tape?  What's the scoop?

EDIT:  And on another note, what a cool lineup.  It's really a shame they haven't done anything else together through the years.  I would LOVE to see some other collaborations between these four.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 27, 2020, 09:42:37 AM
Unrelated to the present thread of discussion, but definitely thread-related:  I am for the first time checking out Mike's Amazing Journey DVD this morning.  I am not a big Who fan, and I have not been a total completeist regarding all of DT's side projects through the years.  But I picked up a used copy of this awhile back from someone on this forum who was cleaning house (I forget who at the moment), and just remembered it today when I was looking for something to put on in the background while working.  Question for those in the know about this:  Is there a fifth musician who thus far (3 songs in) isn't shown?  I obviously know about Portnoy/Cherone/Gilbert/Sheehan.  But during the intro of Baba O'Riley, there is clearly guitar, but Paul isn't playing (he is banging a tamborine).  And there are prominent keyboards on that track and others.  Did they have someone else off camera?  Or are they using a backing tape?  What's the scoop?

EDIT:  And on another note, what a cool lineup.  It's really a shame they haven't done anything else together through the years.  I would LOVE to see some other collaborations between these four.

No idea about the extra guitar. I’m not a Who fan either so I’ve never really checked this out, but I would listen to a band with these four guys doing all original music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 27, 2020, 09:43:38 AM
Watching the Baba O'Riley thing now.

Dunno where the keys are coming from, sounds pretaped. But there's no guitar at the beginning, that's just bass.
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on May 27, 2020, 09:56:53 AM
Amazing Journey got me into The Who. I saw them in Palatine, IL. It was a fantastic show.

There was no fifth member at mine. I believe anything extra you hear is backing tracks.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 27, 2020, 10:11:35 AM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.

Years ago there was a show on VH1 (i think) where they'd go around and reunite bands for 'one more' performance. I remember Flock of Seagulls did it....and there were a few others. They tried to get Extreme to do it and most of them were up for it but Cherone wanted nothing to do with it. when they tracked him down he was overseeing a residential house being built. I think the dude was just 'over' the whole thing....I remember reading somewhere where it was said he resented the fact that Extreme was only known for that 'more than words' ballad and not being the 'rock' band they were.
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Post by: HOF on May 27, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.

He’s maybe done more than you think. He went from Extreme to VH, then briefly had a band called Tribe of Judah and has a band with his brother called Hurtsmile. Extreme still tours occasionally. He also did a couple stints in a production of Jesus Christ Superstar.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 27, 2020, 10:33:27 AM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.

He’s maybe done more than you think. He went from Extreme to VH, then briefly had a band called Tribe of Judah and has a band with his brother called Hurtsmile. Extreme still tours occasionally. He also did a couple stints in a production of Jesus Christ Superstar.
and I personally like VHIII quite a bit actually. Tribe Of Judah was nice as well IMHO (and it features Mike Mangini btw)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 27, 2020, 10:39:36 AM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.

He’s maybe done more than you think. He went from Extreme to VH, then briefly had a band called Tribe of Judah and has a band with his brother called Hurtsmile. Extreme still tours occasionally. He also did a couple stints in a production of Jesus Christ Superstar.
and I personally like VHIII quite a bit actually. Tribe Of Judah was nice as well IMHO (and it features Mike Mangini btw)

VHIII is great. That and Balance are easily my favorite VH albums and the only ones I still listen to very much.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on May 27, 2020, 01:37:22 PM
Unrelated to the present thread of discussion, but definitely thread-related:  I am for the first time checking out Mike's Amazing Journey DVD this morning.  I am not a big Who fan, and I have not been a total completeist regarding all of DT's side projects through the years.  But I picked up a used copy of this awhile back from someone on this forum who was cleaning house (I forget who at the moment), and just remembered it today when I was looking for something to put on in the background while working.  Question for those in the know about this:  Is there a fifth musician who thus far (3 songs in) isn't shown?  I obviously know about Portnoy/Cherone/Gilbert/Sheehan.  But during the intro of Baba O'Riley, there is clearly guitar, but Paul isn't playing (he is banging a tamborine).  And there are prominent keyboards on that track and others.  Did they have someone else off camera?  Or are they using a backing tape?  What's the scoop?

EDIT:  And on another note, what a cool lineup.  It's really a shame they haven't done anything else together through the years.  I would LOVE to see some other collaborations between these four.

I just pulled out my DVD copy of Amazing Journey. I'm guessing the used copy you got did not include the insert, because it lists the line-up on the back. Below the main four members credits, it lists the following:

Special Thanks to our "Rabbit":
Jeff Calder - Keyboards and Samples

IIRC, I think Mike had a hidden fifth member backstage at all of his 4 tribute shows - Cygnus & The Sea Monsters, Yellow Matter Custard, Hammer Of The Gods, and Amazing Journey. Since all of those bands covered required some sort of extra keys or samples, he always had another player hidden off-stage to compliment the other four on-stage. At least, this is how I recall it with the first YMC and Cygnus shows. I'm pretty sure the HOTG shows had a fifth member too.

Edit - Just looked it up, Bert Baldwin helped Mike with the Cygnus and YMC shows. I'm still not sure about the HOTG shows, though, because I know they had keyboards for some of the songs, but I don't recall any on-stage keyboard playing (but it has been MANY years since I've watched it).

-Marc.
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on May 27, 2020, 01:58:55 PM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.

He’s maybe done more than you think. He went from Extreme to VH, then briefly had a band called Tribe of Judah and has a band with his brother called Hurtsmile. Extreme still tours occasionally. He also did a couple stints in a production of Jesus Christ Superstar.
and I personally like VHIII quite a bit actually. Tribe Of Judah was nice as well IMHO (and it features Mike Mangini btw)

VHIII is great. That and Balance are easily my favorite VH albums and the only ones I still listen to very much.

I bought VH III and Balance upon release, just as I did every VH album since 5150. I love Balance, and still think it's unfairly criticized, just because it has 0.01% more ballads than usual for a Van Hagar album. VH III on the other hand, is absolutely unredeemable to my ears. I tried MANY times through the years to go back to it and see if it has aged well, and sadly I don't think that's the case. The song where Eddie sings is cringeworthy, and the overall lack of direction is palpable. Plus, Gary was noticeably not singing like he wanted to, he was basically being told to sing like Sammy. Mitch Malloy auditioned for the band and made a few demos at the time, and would have been a MUCH better fit IMO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on May 27, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
I just pulled out my DVD copy of Amazing Journey. I'm guessing the used copy you got did not include the insert, because it lists the line-up on the back. Below the main four members credits, it lists the following:

Special Thanks to our "Rabbit":
Jeff Calder - Keyboards and Samples

IIRC, I think Mike had a hidden fifth member backstage at all of his 4 tribute shows

That makes sense.  Thanks, Marc!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on May 27, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
Years ago there was a show on VH1 (i think) where they'd go around and reunite bands for 'one more' performance. I remember Flock of Seagulls did it....and there were a few others. They tried to get Extreme to do it and most of them were up for it but Cherone wanted nothing to do with it. when they tracked him down he was overseeing a residential house being built. I think the dude was just 'over' the whole thing....I remember reading somewhere where it was said he resented the fact that Extreme was only known for that 'more than words' ballad and not being the 'rock' band they were.
Been a long time since I saw that show with Extreme, so my memory might be a bit off, but I thought Gary was kinda "meh" on the idea, but not totally against it. IIRC, Nuno was the one who was completely against it and refused to even appear on camera. And I think the mentality was that if it was going to happen, it would happen organically, not because some outside force, like a TV show, was pushing them in that direction.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 27, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
Years ago there was a show on VH1 (i think) where they'd go around and reunite bands for 'one more' performance. I remember Flock of Seagulls did it....and there were a few others. They tried to get Extreme to do it and most of them were up for it but Cherone wanted nothing to do with it. when they tracked him down he was overseeing a residential house being built. I think the dude was just 'over' the whole thing....I remember reading somewhere where it was said he resented the fact that Extreme was only known for that 'more than words' ballad and not being the 'rock' band they were.
Been a long time since I saw that show with Extreme, so my memory might be a bit off, but I thought Gary was kinda "meh" on the idea, but not totally against it. IIRC, Nuno was the one who was completely against it and refused to even appear on camera. And I think the mentality was that if it was going to happen, it would happen organically, not because some outside force, like a TV show, was pushing them in that direction.

And then they later did reunite anyway, which kind of supports your take on it.
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Post by: Stadler on May 27, 2020, 06:20:54 PM
I saw them on the Pornograffiti Anniversary tour, and while they started late (and Nuno was salty about it; he mentioned it during the show, implying it was not the band but the arena), they killed it. They were really good. 
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 31, 2020, 10:46:13 AM
Quote
Jordan Rudess: "Well, the answer is we are looking at our schedules, we are organizing a time. With the [coronavirus] pandemic, it's been a little difficult to coordinate personal kind of gatherings, but it looks very good, my friend."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxKcSBoqX4&feature=emb_title
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Post by: Zydar on May 31, 2020, 10:47:33 AM
Damnit, I was gonna post that :lol
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 31, 2020, 10:52:58 AM
Sry for the Ninja move!  :biggrin:
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 31, 2020, 11:23:49 AM
Quote
Jordan Rudess: "Well, the answer is we are looking at our schedules, we are organizing a time. With the [coronavirus] pandemic, it's been a little difficult to coordinate personal kind of gatherings, but it looks very good, my friend."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxKcSBoqX4&feature=emb_title

...and cue all the Dream Theater reunion gossip. ::)
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Post by: Max Kuehnau on May 31, 2020, 11:52:06 AM
Quote
Jordan Rudess: "Well, the answer is we are looking at our schedules, we are organizing a time. With the [coronavirus] pandemic, it's been a little difficult to coordinate personal kind of gatherings, but it looks very good, my friend."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxKcSBoqX4&feature=emb_title

...and cue all the Dream Theater reunion gossip. ::)
which was to be expected I think.
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Post by: devieira73 on May 31, 2020, 12:03:30 PM
Interesting... this is something that I thought JP and Jordan would always avoid just because this would start all kind of speculation of MP returning to DT. Let’s see if this will be for real. Anyway, it would be great to hear something new from LTE!
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Post by: ytserush on May 31, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
Interesting... this is something that I thought JP and Jordan would always avoid just because this would start all kind of speculation of MP returning to DT. Let’s see if this will be for real. Anyway, it would be great to hear something new from LTE!

Normally I'd be thinking about a tour but I don't know how that would happen at this point unless we're talking 2022. The touring tarmac is already piled up and who even knows what that would look like unless they do a virtual thing. Many questions.
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Post by: Fritzinger on May 31, 2020, 12:20:35 PM
I believe this when I see it  :eek
Would love to see them live. I never had the chance.
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Post by: MirrorMask on May 31, 2020, 12:32:50 PM
Interesting... this is something that I thought JP and Jordan would always avoid just because this would start all kind of speculation of MP returning to DT. Let’s see if this will be for real. Anyway, it would be great to hear something new from LTE!

Well, we have now a clear picture that LTE reuniting is basically MP reuniting with the part of DT that he actually cares about. I don't know his personal feelings on the matter but maybe "doing music with JP again" to him matters as much as "being back in DT". We can't be sure, but I would be sure that making music again with JP would be closure enough for him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on May 31, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
That is a great point. I am not a big fan of closure, and cannot speak to anyone else's opinions on it, and if they may or may not need if for themselves. If it helps Mike feel better about the separation and time apart, then I support it.

LTE is a bore to me, but if it makes the 4 of them happy, and their fans happy, and it doesn't adversely affect DT, I say go for it!
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 31, 2020, 02:04:57 PM
Itll be interesting to see what they come up with thats for sure. I can't even imagine what dt chat is going to be like when and if they do start recording/touring :lol

"JP and MP smiled at each other while playing, when will Mike Manginis last show be?"
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 31, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
Honestly, to see JP and MP making music again would be cool as simple as that.
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Post by: HOF on May 31, 2020, 02:55:13 PM
I would have low expectations for an LTE 3, but I’d probably buy it for nostalgia alone. The first two LTE albums were kind of transformational in terms of how I viewed instrumental and progressive music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on May 31, 2020, 02:57:46 PM
Well considering that one of MPs biggest criticisms (which I agree with) is that he’s repetitive and not too into pushing the boundaries, along with the fact that the last few DT albums showed me that I don’t connect to JP or JRs current style of writing, I have low expectations.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 31, 2020, 03:05:11 PM
Well considering that one of MPs biggest criticisms (which I agree with) is that he’s repetitive and not too into pushing the boundaries, along with the fact that the last few DT albums showed me that I don’t connect to JP or JRs current style of writing, I have low expectations.

This is ignoring Tony Levin’s potential influence though. Different musicians can bring different things out of these guys. Look at how much better Portnoy’s playing is with Neal Morse Band than with other projects. Plus the excitement they might feel about playing together again could bring some interesting results.
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Post by: Adami on May 31, 2020, 03:10:33 PM
Well considering that one of MPs biggest criticisms (which I agree with) is that he’s repetitive and not too into pushing the boundaries, along with the fact that the last few DT albums showed me that I don’t connect to JP or JRs current style of writing, I have low expectations.

This is ignoring Tony Levin’s potential influence though. Different musicians can bring different things out of these guys. Look at how much better Portnoy’s playing is with Neal Morse Band than with other projects. Plus the excitement they might feel about playing together again could bring some interesting results.

Haha, I actually completely forgot about Tony. So good point! Though not quite enough drastically change the equation in my eyes.

And again, maybe it'll be good. But the known variables, for me, point it not being good, while the unknown variables could potentially change that. If they do it, I'll listen and judge then. But I'm not excited. Which might be good, sometimes being shocked at how good something is is better than having it just live up to what you assumed it would.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2020, 07:54:37 PM
Recent listens of each reinforced my belief that both LTE albums are better than any Dream Theater album not named Images and Words, Awake or Scenes from a Memory, so if they make a proper third album, and it is close to as good as the first two, I will be thrilled.  The cool thing about LTE is that they were willing to go to places DT is not (see: Liquid Dreams), so I say bring it on.
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Post by: HOF on May 31, 2020, 07:57:46 PM
Recent listens of each reinforced my belief that both LTE albums are better than any Dream Theater album not named Images and Words, Awake or Scenes from a Memory, so if they make a proper third album, and it is close to as good as the first two, I will be thrilled.  The cool thing about LTE is that they were willing to go to places DT is not (see: Liquid Dreams), so I say bring it on.

I would agree with this assessment but would substitute FII for SFAM (I think of SFAM as LTE with cheesy lyrics).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on May 31, 2020, 08:03:43 PM
I haven't listened to the LTE albums in YEARS. Probably over ten.

I always figured Jordan would do an LTE album with MP, but I thought JP would sit it out. Kind of surprised he'd knowingly invite all of the speculation it would bring to a "DT Reunion". Seems out of character for JP, honestly.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 31, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
I haven't listened to the LTE albums in YEARS. Probably over ten.

I always figured Jordan would do an LTE album with MP, but I thought JP would sit it out. Kind of surprised he'd knowingly invite all of the speculation it would bring to a "DT Reunion". Seems out of character for JP, honestly.

I think the right thing to do (but this most likely wouldn’t happen) is for MP to put the speculation completely to rest. Saying something along the lines of “I wanted to work with John and Jordan as a songwriting trio again, but my Dream Theater days are over. The band and I have both come to peace with the split and both parties are happy with where they are in their careers. Having the opportunity to reunite Liquid Tension Experiment and work with John and Jordan in a professional capacity is closure enough for me, and I hope it is for you guys too, because I’m proud of the work I’ve done since leaving Dream Theater, and the band has done some truly amazing things without me”.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on May 31, 2020, 10:55:22 PM
A Liquid Tension reunion would be a dream come true for me. I just recently listened to some LTE last week as I was re-ripping music to my laptop/portable HDD, and I forgot just how GOOD these songs were! Even the improv is so entertaining, and I'll definitely say that Tony Levin's influence is definitely felt in the band as well. It won't be a DT re-hash with JR/JP/MP, and I think if they get back together, there will be the same LTE chemistry that they had in the last 90s, and again in 2008 on their 10th Anniversary tour.

I think if they get together to do another album in the next year or two, and release the album in 2022, they could do a 25th Anniversary Tour in 2023, and I'm sure it'll be a HUGE hit.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 01, 2020, 06:28:59 AM
Itll be interesting to see what they come up with thats for sure. I can't even imagine what dt chat is going to be like when and if they do start recording/touring :lol

"JP and MP smiled at each other while playing, when will Mike Manginis last show be?"
The chat on this website would do nothing of the sort, but I can't guarantee anything on other social media  :lol people be stumpid
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on June 01, 2020, 06:35:52 AM
I haven't listened to the LTE albums in YEARS. Probably over ten.

I always figured Jordan would do an LTE album with MP, but I thought JP would sit it out. Kind of surprised he'd knowingly invite all of the speculation it would bring to a "DT Reunion". Seems out of character for JP, honestly.

I think the right thing to do (but this most likely wouldn’t happen) is for MP to put the speculation completely to rest. Saying something along the lines of “I wanted to work with John and Jordan as a songwriting trio again, but my Dream Theater days are over. The band and I have both come to peace with the split and both parties are happy with where they are in their careers. Having the opportunity to reunite Liquid Tension Experiment and work with John and Jordan in a professional capacity is closure enough for me, and I hope it is for you guys too, because I’m proud of the work I’ve done since leaving Dream Theater, and the band has done some truly amazing things without me”.

MP should hire you to work PR
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 01, 2020, 06:40:14 AM
So three guys who are friends for like.. over twenty years, who recorded lots of music together can't reunite to play more music because of fear of speculation or some kind of reaction on internet? Cmon. LTE is not DT. They don't own anyone an explanation. Speculations don't mean shit. Musicians should play music, not explain themselves to a speculating public. People can speculate for years, it doesn't change anything.. if they make a reunion I don't think it will be because there were speculations and they feel a bit forced.

When Portnoy posted that pic of him with Petrucci and wrote "give peace a chance" there were also speculations. Should he or Petrucci have to explain themselves everytime they do something together or collaborate in some way? "Hey Mangini, sorry man.. we're gonna have to let you go.. you know.. so much speculation on the internet.. sorry man.. we have no choice.. we have to bring Portnoy back."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: XeRocks81 on June 01, 2020, 06:56:52 AM
Come to think of it, there are a LOT of projects I think Gary Cherone would be ideal for.  And yet, he hasn't really done much through the years.  I wonder if he is difficult to work with or something.  Just speculating.

Years ago there was a show on VH1 (i think) where they'd go around and reunite bands for 'one more' performance. I remember Flock of Seagulls did it....and there were a few others. They tried to get Extreme to do it and most of them were up for it but Cherone wanted nothing to do with it. when they tracked him down he was overseeing a residential house being built. I think the dude was just 'over' the whole thing....I remember reading somewhere where it was said he resented the fact that Extreme was only known for that 'more than words' ballad and not being the 'rock' band they were.

that's funny, I wonder what changed because Extreme did reunite in the late 2000s and are still playing gigs (or they did before... all this)

edit: nevermind it's already been covered, carry on lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2020, 09:05:34 AM
So three guys who are friends for like.. over twenty years, who recorded lots of music together can't reunite to play more music because of fear of speculation or some kind of reaction on internet?

No.  Nobody said anything remotely like that. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 01, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
I have a feeling John and Jordan delayed a potential LTE reunion in order to avoid any "OMG! P0RTN0I RETURN IN DT!" speculations. But since it's been ten years and they've made it clear that Mangini is their guy, now might be the time not to worry about some fans misinterpreting what's happening.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
My point wasn't that there would or wouldn't be speculation. I mean there will be.
My point was that I'm surprised JP would be basically inviting it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 01, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
I have a feeling John and Jordan delayed a potential LTE reunion in order to avoid any "OMG! P0RTN0I RETURN IN DT!" speculations. But since it's been ten years and they've made it clear that Mangini is their guy, now might be the time not to worry about some fans misinterpreting what's happening.

I'm not so sure.  I don't get the impression that Jordan cares much about that.  And John...I mean, he hasn't even been able to get his own solo album together after all this time.  I think the main issue for him is just working out the scheduling.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 01, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
I haven't listened to the LTE albums in YEARS. Probably over ten.

I always figured Jordan would do an LTE album with MP, but I thought JP would sit it out. Kind of surprised he'd knowingly invite all of the speculation it would bring to a "DT Reunion". Seems out of character for JP, honestly.

I think the right thing to do (but this most likely wouldn’t happen) is for MP to put the speculation completely to rest. Saying something along the lines of “I wanted to work with John and Jordan as a songwriting trio again, but my Dream Theater days are over. The band and I have both come to peace with the split and both parties are happy with where they are in their careers. Having the opportunity to reunite Liquid Tension Experiment and work with John and Jordan in a professional capacity is closure enough for me, and I hope it is for you guys too, because I’m proud of the work I’ve done since leaving Dream Theater, and the band has done some truly amazing things without me”.

Very well written, and I certainly get the sentiment (and respect it); honestly, though, I don't think a statement like that would move the needle even one bit for either of the extremes of the fanbase.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2020, 10:10:32 AM
I haven't listened to the LTE albums in YEARS. Probably over ten.

I always figured Jordan would do an LTE album with MP, but I thought JP would sit it out. Kind of surprised he'd knowingly invite all of the speculation it would bring to a "DT Reunion". Seems out of character for JP, honestly.

I think the right thing to do (but this most likely wouldn’t happen) is for MP to put the speculation completely to rest. Saying something along the lines of “I wanted to work with John and Jordan as a songwriting trio again, but my Dream Theater days are over. The band and I have both come to peace with the split and both parties are happy with where they are in their careers. Having the opportunity to reunite Liquid Tension Experiment and work with John and Jordan in a professional capacity is closure enough for me, and I hope it is for you guys too, because I’m proud of the work I’ve done since leaving Dream Theater, and the band has done some truly amazing things without me”.

Very well written, and I certainly get the sentiment (and respect it); honestly, though, I don't think a statement like that would move the needle even one bit for either of the extremes of the fanbase.

The only comments MP has ever made about DT's material after he left was that ADTOE debacle of them just rehashing IAW's. After that.....I don't recall where he's publicly made a comment about their material? At least.....not a positive comment. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 01, 2020, 10:59:16 AM
The only comments MP has ever made about DT's material after he left was that ADTOE debacle of them just rehashing IAW's. After that.....I don't recall where he's publicly made a comment about their material? At least.....not a positive comment.
The last time I checked he said he can't listen to it because it feels weird to him to listen to it, and I think he may or may not have used the marriage analogy again :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 01, 2020, 11:11:46 AM
The only comments MP has ever made about DT's material after he left was that ADTOE debacle of them just rehashing IAW's. After that.....I don't recall where he's publicly made a comment about their material? At least.....not a positive comment.
The last time I checked he said he can't listen to it because it feels weird to him to listen to it, and I think he may or may not have used the marriage analogy again :D

Yeah.....he's in a no win situation really with making any comments about DT members or music. If they're construed negatively then he's just bitter and still holding on to the past....if he says something positive it's he wishes he'd never have left and now regrets his decisions.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on June 01, 2020, 11:25:39 AM
I don't really agree with that.  I mean I'm sure some people will say that he regrets his decision, but then, they say that now.  But in general, I actually think people would be more likely to say that he regrets his decision if he says that he can't listen to Dream theater because it's too weird or emotional. If he just says that they put out some great stuff, no big deal.

But I don't think it's really necessary for him to say anything. It's been awhile since he has, and I don't see any problem with him continuing to remain silent on that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 01, 2020, 11:54:13 AM
The last comment he made about DT's post 2010 albums was that during all this time, they've released only 4 studio albums, while he's done a lot more :lol
But, yeah, he hasn't made any positive comments about the music, ever (not that he has to, of course, but it wouldn't hurt).

The only comments MP has ever made about DT's material after he left was that ADTOE debacle of them just rehashing IAW's. After that.....I don't recall where he's publicly made a comment about their material? At least.....not a positive comment.
The last time I checked he said he can't listen to it because it feels weird to him to listen to it, and I think he may or may not have used the marriage analogy again :D

At least we know he has the albums in his itunes library. Who else remembers he posted a list of the longest songs he has in his music library and that Illumination Theory appeared?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 01, 2020, 01:05:59 PM
Regarding Mike and DT, I do recall a moment in the tour documentary from The Neal Morse Band (I think for The Great AdvenTour), Mike was annoyed how an app on his phone kept recommending him the new DT album (d/t) for him to listen to.  :lol

I guess that would be like if Facebook kept recommending me to add an ex as a friend!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on June 01, 2020, 01:07:32 PM
That's hilarious!
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 01, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
I don't like all of LTE, but they do have some great songs. Some good ballads, and neat improv style songs.

Liquid Dreams
Freedom of Speech
A State of Grace
Acid Rain
When The Water Breaks

These are my top 5. I'm looking forwards to hearing more emotion and jams similar to these.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 01, 2020, 02:01:38 PM
Regarding Mike and DT, I do recall a moment in the tour documentary from The Neal Morse Band (I think for The Great AdvenTour), Mike was annoyed how an app on his phone kept recommending him the new DT album (d/t) for him to listen to.  :lol

I guess that would be like if Facebook kept recommending me to add an ex as a friend!

-Marc.
Oh, Lord, that's just glorious!  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 01, 2020, 02:26:00 PM
Anyone who thinks this will be closure for Mike Portnoy or think he should put any speculation to bed are missing the point. In my opinion, this is absolutely something which he would see as a way back into Dream Theater. I don’t think for one second he is happy playing in two-bit bands, playing in clubs to tiny audiences. He would go back to DT in a heartbeat and I bet he would see this as his way of rekindling the chemistry between the three of them and getting back into the band as Rudess did the first time around.  This is all just my opinion obviously, I have no inside knowledge but, if I was Mike Mangini, I would be very concerned about LTE reforming unless he’s happy to step aside of course.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 01, 2020, 04:19:13 PM
He would go back to DT in a heartbeat and I bet he would see this as his way of rekindling the chemistry between the three of them and getting back into the band as Rudess did the first time around. 

*first sessions go great*
MP: "Hey, this was awesome! we really had a great chemistry, right guys? it was almost like when we played with Jordan and we asked him to join Dream Theater, isn't it? .....isn't it?"

JP and JR:

(https://i.redd.it/2xg6kik7g5531.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 01, 2020, 04:24:38 PM
He would go back to DT in a heartbeat and I bet he would see this as his way of rekindling the chemistry between the three of them and getting back into the band as Rudess did the first time around. 

*first sessions go great*
MP: "Hey, this was awesome! we really had a great chemistry, right guys? it was almost like when we played with Jordan and we asked him to join Dream Theater, isn't it? .....isn't it?"

JP and JR:

(https://i.redd.it/2xg6kik7g5531.jpg)

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on June 01, 2020, 04:25:53 PM
Hey Mike, when we first played with Jordan we were looking for a keyboard player. Notice the difference?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2020, 04:26:39 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2020, 05:23:37 PM
"Hey guys, notice how great we sound without that Canadian singing?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on June 01, 2020, 06:00:20 PM
https://www.facebook.com/138176086285038/posts/2460491417386815/?d=n
Live Q&A with Eloy Casagrande (Sepultura) and MP, this wednesday.

“Yes, this will happen!!! An historic live with the boss Mike Portnoy. Wednesday (9:15pm CET/12:15pm PST), on Sepultura’s Youtube page.“
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 02, 2020, 03:30:56 AM
"Hey guys, notice how great we sound without that Canadian singing?"
Hey, leave Geddy out of this!  'Respect'   :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 02, 2020, 04:25:37 AM
In my opinion, this is absolutely something which he would see as a way back into Dream Theater.
In my opinion it's not, what are we gonna do about that  :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SleeperAwake on June 02, 2020, 12:13:28 PM
Exactly. Why be cynical about this?

I just view it as the three of them wanting to play together again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nachtmerrie on June 02, 2020, 02:08:34 PM
Exactly. Why be cynical about this?

I just view it as the three of them wanting to play together again.

Agree. We're talking about three guys in their fifties who don't have anything to explain to anyone if they just want to play some shows and/or record a new album. They will be able to deal with any rumours and so will Mangini.

Any talk about MP returning to DT is a waste of time. If it happens if happens and as things are today the chances seem to be close to zero as, much as I would love it personally.
 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 02, 2020, 04:30:45 PM
Sorry if I am being misunderstood, I am not trying to be cynical. I’m sure Portnoy can’t wait to play with Rudess and Petrucci again irrespective of whether it leads to anything else. I also think however that he would entertain the hope that working with them again may open the door to a more permanent reunion with the band he had a big hand in building.  Do people really think he wouldn’t jump at the chance to come back if they asked him to?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 02, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
I would guess the answer is "probably."  But the problem with that hypothetical is that "if they asked him" has odds of "slim to none" right now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: romdrums on June 02, 2020, 05:08:29 PM
I would guess the answer is "probably."  But the problem with that hypothetical is that "if they asked him" has odds of "next to none" right now.

FTFY. ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 02, 2020, 05:09:40 PM
Do people really think he wouldn’t jump at the chance to come back if they asked him to?
While I don't have any inside information, I would imagine that the conditions would have to be right before he would consider coming back, both with regards to how much control he would have in the band and how it would affect all the other bands/projects that he's involved in. He could be interested, but I could easily see him passing on the opportunity if the terms weren't sweet enough for him. And that's assuming he was even offered the chance. Right now, that doesn't seem likely.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 02, 2020, 06:19:33 PM
Right now it doesn’t seem likely but, following a successful, enjoyable LTE reunion, that likelihood would increase as would the clamour from fans.  I agree though that there would have to be some conversations all round as to how it would work in practice before any agreement was made. He may have to accept that he would not have the level of control he once had. There would also need to be some kind of reconciliation with LaBrie and possibly even Myung.

It’s all hypothetical of course and, if I was a betting man, I would probably say they stick with Mangini but I wouldn’t be all that confident. If I was Mangini, I would certainly be sitting a little less comfortably if it goes ahead.

My point really though was that he is not about to put out a press release quashing any speculation that he will one day return to Dream Theater when he would likely very much want to return. Nor would he see an LTE reunion as a way to close that chapter, more as a possible opportunity to re-open it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 02, 2020, 06:23:54 PM
Right now it doesn’t seem likely but, following a successful, enjoyable LTE reunion, that likelihood would increase as would the clamour from fans.  I agree though that there would have to be some conversations all round as to how it would work in practice before any agreement was made. He may have to accept that he would not have the level of control he once had. There would also need to be some kind of reconciliation with LaBrie and possibly even Myung.

It’s all hypothetical of course and, if I was a betting man, I would probably say they stick with Mangini but I wouldn’t be all that confident. If I was Mangini, I would certainly be sitting a little less comfortably if it goes ahead.

My point really though was that he is not about to put out a press release quashing any speculation that he will one day return to Dream Theater when he would likely very much want to return. Nor would he see an LTE reunion as a way to close that chapter, more as a possible opportunity to re-open it.

No.

Everyone gets along with everyone. Click tracks. Extremely focused live production. Static setlists. One front man. Backing tracks. A drummer who doesn't piss everyone off in the studio. That's what DT would give up (that they seem to really enjoy).

Nothing but a few happy fans for a little bit and similar crowd sizes. That's what DT would gain.

It ain't gonna happen dude.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on June 02, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
I think the most obvious roadblock is JLB. I truly don't see him and MP ever working together again. Pretty sure they wouldn't disrespect JLB like that. It would be a slap in the face and I could see him threatening to walk if he had to work with MP again. Those egos just won't mesh.

LTE is the closest MP will get to DT. I would very much be looking forward to more LTE.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 02, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
The way Adami is talking, it’s like they were all desperately unhappy and couldn’t wait for Portnoy to leave.  They seemed pretty devastated at the time when he left, as was I.

We’ll have to wait and see, it’s all just fun speculation and I am not too concerned either way, I enjoy all the post Portnoy material more than a lot of the stuff on the later albums with Portnoy. On the other hand it would excite me a little to see an original member return and them going back to arguably their classic lineup.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 02, 2020, 07:07:56 PM
I doubt Petrucci and Rudess (in particular) were happy to see him go at the time, but I am sure there are elements of him that they didn't really think they wouldn't miss until suddenly they were gone.  Plus, being friends with someone and being able to work closely with them again on a regular basis are two very different things.  I used to work with a close family member, and while our relationship within the family is still strong, I can't imagine ever working with him again 30-40 hours a week.  There are elements of his personality that would be too much to take on a full time basis again (and it is possible he would say the same about me :lol ). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 02, 2020, 07:29:38 PM
The way Adami is talking, it’s like they were all desperately unhappy and couldn’t wait for Portnoy to leave.  They seemed pretty devastated at the time when he left, as was I.

I hinted at nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 02, 2020, 10:31:23 PM
There would also need to be some kind of reconciliation with LaBrie and possibly even Myung.
LaBrie, yes. But just for the record, he's already patched things up with JMX. He posted on Facebook that he spent New Years Eve or New Years with JMX.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on June 02, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
I am not speaking with any inside knowledge, but I would not make the leap that "patched things up" means "wants to commit to playing together full time." It could be, but I would imagine it more being "Hey, glad we are friends again, let's grab some chow sometime!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 03, 2020, 01:09:24 AM
I doubt Petrucci and Rudess (in particular) were happy to see him go at the time, but I am sure there are elements of him that they didn't really think they wouldn't miss until suddenly they were gone.

This.

I am not speaking with any inside knowledge, but I would not make the leap that "patched things up" means "wants to commit to playing together full time." It could be, but I would imagine it more being "Hey, glad we are friends again, let's grab some chow sometime!"

And also this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 03, 2020, 03:47:35 AM
No one is perfect and I am sure there are elements of Mike’s behaviour that they do not miss, some things that maybe they didn’t even realise they didn’t have to put up with until they worked with someone else. There may be other elements though that they do miss such as his relentless promotion of the band, his way of keeping fans connected with the band, his organisation of live albums/dvds to name a few.

As I said, I don’t believe anyone was desperately looking for Mike to quit the band when he did, they were all looking to continue as they were. It was Mike that wanted a break from them, not the other way around. I’m sure James has enjoyed not having Mike’s criticism and I’m sure JMX has enjoyed returning to the writing fold so perhaps they would have some reluctance but nothing that could not be resolved.  It would also be disappointing for Mangini but I get the impression that he’s not the type who’d begrudge them getting their original drummer back.  I don’t think there’d be any hard feelings.

There’s pluses and minuses in doing it and they’d all have to weigh those up but my point was simply that the reforming of LTE could (and I stress could) be the first step towards a DT reunion.  If I’m a betting man I would just about say no but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2020, 08:42:37 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2020, 08:47:20 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.

Usually when someone largely ignores all points being made and focuses on their own personal wishes and hopes and looking for things to justify them, it's not going to get you very far to approach it logically.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2020, 09:05:51 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.

I understand what you're saying and I'm not arguing with you (even if you don't have inside info, you're generally more in tune than I am with this kind of stuff),  but it is fair to point out that there ARE times when circumstances like this DID lead to a reunion.  The Kiss Unplugged.   If memory serves, Perry and Whitford returning to Aerosmith.  Squeeze, in a way.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 03, 2020, 09:08:57 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.

Well, last time two members of DT played in LTE, they realized they liked another member so much, that they wanted to work with him in DT. While I personally think that JP is completely happy with DT the way it is now, I can't really fault some people for thinking that MAYBE a good and producting creative experience of JP and JR with MP would make them think "Oh my, I missed this so bad, I couldn't remember how much fun it was and how 'right' the whole thing seems". Not that this would of course translate into a reunion, just like an awesome night out with some buddies from your previous work doesn't mean you'd want to go back to your previous work because you're happy with the one you have now.

I personally think DT won't have anymore lineup changes (unless someone wants to retire from old age 10-15 years from now), but if JP and JR will even entertain someday, somehow the idea of a reunion with MP, surely a good and nice experience with LT3 won't hurt those thoughts.

I mean, there's no way that someday MP will rejoin DT with LT3 having sucked as a personal and creative experience. Does a good and nice LT3 brings MP back into DT? I really don't think so, but at least it will be a good experience for them. Does a reunion with MP happen with the LT3 experience being a complete disaster? no way in hell.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 03, 2020, 09:44:26 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.

Usually when someone largely ignores all points being made and focuses on their own personal wishes and hopes and looking for things to justify them, it's not going to get you very far to approach it logically.

I’m not ignoring anyone’s points, I have addressed them and I have already pointed out that I am not bothered either way, I enjoy DT with or without Portnoy.

Is it THAT big a leap though to say that when these 3 people, who are close friends and worked together in DT for 20 years (In the case of JP), get in a room and begin making music together again, it makes a reunion somewhat more likely than if those 3 people did not reconnect in that way. I’m not saying it’s definitely going to happen, there’s many reasons why it might not as people have already raised.  I’m just saying, from the outside looking in, it increases the chances of it happening, assuming it goes well obviously.

As another example (and let’s assume for the sake of argument he could still sing the songs) if Neal Schon announced that him and Steve Perry were getting together to make an album called the Schon/Perry Project. Would no one here  go “oooooooooh, that’s interesting, I wonder if.....” and that’s a far more acrimonious split than DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on June 03, 2020, 09:45:03 AM
And here we go AGAIN....

 :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 03, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.

Usually when someone largely ignores all points being made and focuses on their own personal wishes and hopes and looking for things to justify them, it's not going to get you very far to approach it logically.

I’m not ignoring anyone’s points, I have addressed them and I have already pointed out that I am not bothered either way, I enjoy DT with or without Portnoy.

Is it THAT big a leap though to say that when these 3 people, who are close friends and worked together in DT for 20 years (In the case of JP), get in a room and begin making music together again, it makes a reunion somewhat more likely than if those 3 people did not reconnect in that way. I’m not saying it’s definitely going to happen, there’s many reasons why it might not as people have already raised.  I’m just saying, from the outside looking in, it increases the chances of it happening, assuming it goes well obviously.

As another example (and let’s assume for the sake of argument he could still sing the songs) if Neal Schon announced that him and Steve Perry were getting together to make an album called the Schon/Perry Project. Would no one here  go “oooooooooh, that’s interesting, I wonder if.....” and that’s a far more acrimonious split than DT.

Yes, it does increase the chance for a reunion to happen. But that chance is very very low. So why bother bringing it up, if we all know the chance isn't that high.

I'm happy, JP, JR, MP, and TL are jamming and making music again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2020, 10:11:33 AM
Is it THAT big a leap though to say that when these 3 people, who are close friends and worked together in DT for 20 years (In the case of JP), get in a room and begin making music together again, it makes a reunion somewhat more likely than if those 3 people did not reconnect in that way.

Is THAT a big stretch?  That it is "somewhat" more likely than if it didn't happen?  No.  But "Mangini should be very concerned about this" (which is what you said) is a HUGE stretch.

As another example (and let’s assume for the sake of argument he could still sing the songs) if Neal Schon announced that him and Steve Perry were getting together to make an album called the Schon/Perry Project. Would no one here  go “oooooooooh, that’s interesting, I wonder if.....” and that’s a far more acrimonious split than DT.

I get what you are saying, but that analogy (like the ones Stadler cited) isn't really a close one if you dig a bit beneath the surface.  In Journey, we don't know whether there is any sort of dissastisfaction between any of the members and Arnel.  There could be.  By contrast, in DT, we KNOW that the other 4 existing members are HIGHLY satisfied with Mangini.  Second, Journey is a pretty dysfunctional band right now, and has been for a very long time, both with and without Perry.  We have seen kind of a history of "anything goes" at any given moment.  DT, on the other hand, is pretty stable.  Third, if Schon wanted Perry, he is a strong enough personality, and now has enough control of the band that it would likely happen.  In DT, there really doesn't appear to be any particular member who has that much control.  I mean, if JP REALLY felt strongly about something, he is a strong enough personality that he would push hard enough to make it happen.  But from everything I have seen of him, he would not do that at the expense of disagreeing so strongly with the rest of his bandmates unless he really felt the future of the band was at stake.  Finally, Journey has a history of unceremoniously ousting members they have decided they no longer wanted.  You can make a case that DT did similar things with Charlie and Derek.  I would make a case that both of DT's situations were different.  But that said, I wouldn't disagree too strongly with anyone arguing against this last point on that basis.  If this were the ONLY point, it would be pretty weak.  But coupled with the other 3, it carries more weight.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 03, 2020, 10:19:00 AM
The only way I can see MP returning to DT full time (outside of a one-off show or some sort of guest appearance on an album maybe) is if Mangini leaves on his own. I’d be shocked if reforming LTE lead to anything more than speculation about MP replacing MM. But could it lead to John and Jordan convincing the other guys to do a reunion show or have him guest on some sort of special track (say a re-issue of an earlier album with bonus tracks)? I guess I could see that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2020, 10:21:18 AM
Yes, there's a chance MP returns. It's about the same as Mary Swanson falling in love and getting together with Lloyd Christmas.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 03, 2020, 10:45:02 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.
I understand why you're saying this (and I agree with you, in these circumstances), but it wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. Not even going back to LTE1 time, people being concerned about what it meant for Dream Theater that Mike was playing with Avenged Sevenfold and "having the most fun ever" were actually right.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on June 03, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
Switching gears on the LTE/MP/DT return discussion, I'm massively enjoying MP's album recommendation Alter Echo from Dizzy Mizz Lizzy. Some music hitting all the sweet spots right now.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2020, 11:09:20 AM
...but the LTE thing certainly shortens the odds in my opinion.

You keep saying that, but there is no connection whatsoever between LTE and any factors that would lead to MP coming back to DT.  I don't know why you are making that leap.  I don't see how LTE moves the needle at all on MP somehow returning.
I understand why you're saying this (and I agree with you, in these circumstances), but it wouldn't be the first time something like this happened. Not even going back to LTE1 time, people being concerned about what it meant for Dream Theater that Mike was playing with Avenged Sevenfold and "having the most fun ever" were actually right.

And I understand why you are saying what you are saying.  But while, yes, this wouldn't be the first time, an LTE reunion in and of itself isn't likely to the thing that moves the needle very much.  Yeah, the A7X thing is a good example.  But here's the thing with that:  That again only really addresses the MP side of things.  And he's a guy that, as we have seen through the years, often reacts based on emotion (and that is not a criticism--he admits to being the kind of guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, doesn't censor whatever is rattling around in his mind, etc.).  As far as his own feelings are concerned, heck yeah it could rekindle something that could make him long to be back in DT.  But that is largely irrelevant, because the real question is whether it would be enough to move the other 4 members of DT to make an offer or to seriously consider overtures from Mike.  And that is, again, where I don't see LTE moving the needle more than a tiny, tiny bit.  Those 4, for the most part, are much more cold and calculating, and less likely to be swayed by a temporary emotional high. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 03, 2020, 11:31:58 AM
Hypothetically speaking. If MP returned to DT at some point, would he even be remotely interested in learning the material from the MM era for live applications? That might present a problem. I'm sure MP could pull it off but that would be a trial by fire scenario.

Back to reality, I'm stoked about a LTE reunion with new material.  :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 03, 2020, 11:38:27 AM
Hypothetically speaking. If MP returned to DT at some point, would he even be remotely interested in learning the material from the MM era for live applications? That might present a problem. I'm sure MP could pull it off but that would be a trial by fire scenario.

I'm sure he would be fine.  There are some things he couldn't play exactly like MM does.  But there are some things MM does that NOBODY can play exactly like he does.  But MP is a beast of a drummer, and could absolutely do the material justice, even if he would change some things up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 03, 2020, 11:42:12 AM
Switching gears on the LTE/MP/DT return discussion, I'm massively enjoying MP's album recommendation Alter Echo from Dizzy Mizz Lizzy. Some music hitting all the sweet spots right now.

I saw that post last night and checked out a few of those tracks. I couldn’t quite see where he got his description of the music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2020, 11:49:45 AM
Maybe Portnoy underplaying Mangini's original drum parts would make up for years of Rudess overplaying Moore's and Sherinian's original keyboard parts. :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 03, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
Hypothetically speaking. If MP returned to DT at some point, would he even be remotely interested in learning the material from the MM era for live applications? That might present a problem. I'm sure MP could pull it off but that would be a trial by fire scenario.

I'm sure he would be fine.  There are some things he couldn't play exactly like MM does.  But there are some things MM does that NOBODY can play exactly like he does.  But MP is a beast of a drummer, and could absolutely do the material justice, even if he would change some things up.
Oh I agree he could absolutely do it justce, MP is one of the greats of all time!  I was just thinking it could come down to a pride thing.  He is a professional, so it's probably best to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: T-ski on June 03, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Maybe Portnoy underplaying Mangini's original drum parts would make up for years of Rudess overplaying Moore's and Sherinian's original keyboard parts. :P

I laughed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 03, 2020, 12:38:56 PM
I am not speaking with any inside knowledge, but I would not make the leap that "patched things up" means "wants to commit to playing together full time." It could be, but I would imagine it more being "Hey, glad we are friends again, let's grab some chow sometime!"
Just for the record, I'm not trying to imply anything myself. Like I said in my previous post, it would probably take a lot for him to be willing to come back. Additionally, it would take a lot for the band (as a whole) to welcome him back, too. My post was just to point out to Peter that there has been some sort of reconciliation with JMX, which Peter may or may not have been aware of.  ;)
 
 
Hypothetically speaking. If MP returned to DT at some point, would he even be remotely interested in learning the material from the MM era for live applications? That might present a problem. I'm sure MP could pull it off but that would be a trial by fire scenario.
I think PSMS is a perfect example of what would probably happen if MP returned. I think he would understand enough the importance of at least being willing to play a handful of MM-era songs in a set, just as he was fine with playing some Planet X stuff in PSMS. Like Bosk said, he wouldn't play it exactly like MM does, but he didn't do that with Virgil's parts either. I don't imagine that he would be someone who would resist playing MM-era stuff, anymore than Bruce resisted doing Blaze-era tracks. There probably would only be a few of those songs in any given setlist, but they wouldn't be completely absent.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 03, 2020, 01:22:16 PM
Thanks Scotty, I wasn’t really aware of the situation with JMX, it’s good they are on good terms.

I’ve said my piece about this and will leave it here. I think it may open the door to MP coming back and others don’t but it’s pure speculation and something to talk about, that is all. I’m not pinning any hopes on anything other than to hope we get another killer LTE record.

Just to clarify about what I said in relation to Mangini. I didn’t say “Mangini should be concerned”, I said, “if I was Mangini, I would be concerned”.  That sounds pedantic I know but, I’m describing how I would feel in his position, I don’t know how he would feel. He may feel a lot more secure in his position than I maybe would. I always remember thinking something similar when Bruce Dickinson got together with Adrian Smith in the late 90’s and started putting out Maidenesque trad metal albums. It was like an open letter to Maiden to say “take me back” and sure enough Blaze got the bullet. Not the same situation I know but I also remember when Sabbath got together just to play a few songs as an encore at an Ozzy solo show, next minute, they were back together. Sometimes these things gather a momentum all of their own. DT are not Maiden or Sabbath though clearly.

Anyway I adore the other two LTE albums, I think they are two of the best rock instrumental albums ever made and am keeping my fingers crossed for another classic.

Stay safe everyone!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on June 03, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/138176086285038/posts/2460491417386815/?d=n
Live Q&A with Eloy Casagrande (Sepultura) and MP, this wednesday.

“Yes, this will happen!!! An historic live with the boss Mike Portnoy. Wednesday (9:15pm CET/12:15pm PST), on Sepultura’s Youtube page.“
Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC1737FLvU0&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 03, 2020, 02:13:11 PM
Maybe Portnoy underplaying Mangini's original drum parts would make up for years of Rudess overplaying Moore's and Sherinian's original keyboard parts. :P

I laughed.

 :lol same, luckily I had put my coffee mug down while reading this
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on June 03, 2020, 02:59:42 PM
Not the same situation I know but I also remember when Sabbath got together just to play a few songs as an encore at an Ozzy solo show, next minute, they were back together.

Well, to be nitpickers, they DIDN'T get together. Ozzy was "retiring" and asked Black Sabbath, with Dio at the helm, to open for him, Dio saw through all the charade and refused to play those shows, with Rob Halford having to step in. There were talks of a reunion after that, but it fell through and Sabbath eventually moved on and made Cross Purposes with Tony Martin. That was 1992, the reunion happened only in 1997.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on June 03, 2020, 03:25:56 PM
https://www.facebook.com/138176086285038/posts/2460491417386815/?d=n
Live Q&A with Eloy Casagrande (Sepultura) and MP, this wednesday.

“Yes, this will happen!!! An historic live with the boss Mike Portnoy. Wednesday (9:15pm CET/12:15pm PST), on Sepultura’s Youtube page.“
Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC1737FLvU0&feature=emb_logo

I never made the Sepultura/Portnoy connection but I forget that Andreas was in a prior incarnation of Metal Allegiance with him (Hail I think)? Eloy Casagrande is probably the greatest drummer around at the moment (along with Baard of Leprous and Ray from Haken) and it's really cool to see these two having a conversation we can witness.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 03, 2020, 04:46:01 PM
Not the same situation I know but I also remember when Sabbath got together just to play a few songs as an encore at an Ozzy solo show, next minute, they were back together.

Well, to be nitpickers, they DIDN'T get together. Ozzy was "retiring" and asked Black Sabbath, with Dio at the helm, to open for him, Dio saw through all the charade and refused to play those shows, with Rob Halford having to step in. There were talks of a reunion after that, but it fell through and Sabbath eventually moved on and made Cross Purposes with Tony Martin. That was 1992, the reunion happened only in 1997.

Well, the reunion was pretty much 99% a go  in 1992 and then it fell through.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on June 03, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
Switching gears on the LTE/MP/DT return discussion, I'm massively enjoying MP's album recommendation Alter Echo from Dizzy Mizz Lizzy. Some music hitting all the sweet spots right now.

I saw that post last night and checked out a few of those tracks. I couldn’t quite see where he got his description of the music.

Sounds more straight hard rock than anything else. But it's a pretty good album I must say. Been playing it all day.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 03, 2020, 07:04:25 PM
And John...I mean, he hasn't even been able to get his own solo album together after all this time. 

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2020, 07:31:15 AM
Not the same situation I know but I also remember when Sabbath got together just to play a few songs as an encore at an Ozzy solo show, next minute, they were back together.

Well, to be nitpickers, they DIDN'T get together. Ozzy was "retiring" and asked Black Sabbath, with Dio at the helm, to open for him, Dio saw through all the charade and refused to play those shows, with Rob Halford having to step in. There were talks of a reunion after that, but it fell through and Sabbath eventually moved on and made Cross Purposes with Tony Martin. That was 1992, the reunion happened only in 1997.

I'd love if those Halford shows got a release; can't see it ever happening for a multitude of reasons, but I have them on VHS somewhere, and while rough, they were good metal shows. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 04, 2020, 11:58:26 AM
Not the same situation I know but I also remember when Sabbath got together just to play a few songs as an encore at an Ozzy solo show, next minute, they were back together.

Well, to be nitpickers, they DIDN'T get together. Ozzy was "retiring" and asked Black Sabbath, with Dio at the helm, to open for him, Dio saw through all the charade and refused to play those shows, with Rob Halford having to step in. There were talks of a reunion after that, but it fell through and Sabbath eventually moved on and made Cross Purposes with Tony Martin. That was 1992, the reunion happened only in 1997.

I'd love if those Halford shows got a release; can't see it ever happening for a multitude of reasons, but I have them on VHS somewhere, and while rough, they were good metal shows.

I have it on VHS and CD. Sound quality is "meh" but 30 seconds in you forget all about it. A friggin' AMAZING performance. Remember when Halford filled in for Ozzy last minute in 2004 at Ozzfest after a full Judas Priest set? Holy crap did that blow. Obviously Halford had no time to prepare and he was probably tired and he was doing Ozzy songs exclusively so the combination made for a fucking lackluster performance. I have that bootleg somewhere too. I can't bear to listen to it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 04, 2020, 10:07:56 PM
Vinyl collection videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_TzPtW2DA0
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 05, 2020, 03:38:58 AM
Two weeks from now I'll be talking to Mark Menghi and Bobby Blitz about the BPMD album. Let me know if you have any questions for them!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 05, 2020, 03:41:30 AM
I will be following Mike's vinyl collection. His music knowledge is impressive, and the collection is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on June 05, 2020, 05:59:24 AM
Watching now, looks pretty interesting especially since I started collecting vinyl's a few years ago. I wonder if MP has a discogs account.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 05, 2020, 07:19:49 AM
Big fan of Discogs; I'm in the process of loading my CD collection up. I just finished "Marillion".  I would say that 80% of my music purchases are through Discogs. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on June 05, 2020, 08:33:01 AM
I will be following Mike's vinyl collection. His music knowledge is impressive, and the collection is pretty awesome.

I loved the video. I thought it was funny that he was VERY clear this was just the "vinyl revival" collection, and that his hundreds and hundreds of original vinyl from the 60s, 70s, and 80s were separate.  :lol

I'll be watching the rest. It was cool.
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Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 05, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
Didn't think I would watch the whole thing and now i'm suddenly listening to A tribe called quest. WTH and I don't even listen to Hip-Hop! Damn you MP and your music knowledge.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
I watched that last night and it was pretty cool.  Man, if I had money, I am pretty sure I'd have a massive vinyl collection as well. :lol

I couldn't help but wonder where the Boston and Blue Oyster Cult albums were (although I was not surprised since I don't think I've ever heard him mention either band).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 05, 2020, 06:24:10 PM
I couldn't help but wonder where the Boston and Blue Oyster Cult albums were (although I was not surprised since I don't think I've ever heard him mention either band).
Probably didn't bother with getting reissues since he more than likely still has the originals and didn't see the need to get the reissues of them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 05, 2020, 06:29:03 PM
I couldn't help but wonder where the Boston and Blue Oyster Cult albums were (although I was not surprised since I don't think I've ever heard him mention either band).
Probably didn't bother with getting reissues since he more than likely still has the originals and didn't see the need to get the reissues of them.

Could be.  Is he a fan of either?  Again, I don't think I've ever heard him mention either, although there are so many bands that it's hard to mention them all. :lol  Given his musical preferences, I would be shocked if he didn't like both at least a little bit. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 05, 2020, 07:45:10 PM
I couldn't help but wonder where the Boston and Blue Oyster Cult albums were (although I was not surprised since I don't think I've ever heard him mention either band).
Probably didn't bother with getting reissues since he more than likely still has the originals and didn't see the need to get the reissues of them.

Could be.  Is he a fan of either?  Again, I don't think I've ever heard him mention either, although there are so many bands that it's hard to mention them all. :lol  Given his musical preferences, I would be shocked if he didn't like both at least a little bit.

Here is a tweet where he talked about listening to Boston’s debut album a few years ago:

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/800440970118594560?s=21
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gazinwales on June 07, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
Heads up for the LTE collectors, Japan only re-issues of LTE 1&2 in SHM-CD Mini-LP format released May 27 2020.
This format is highly sought after and sells out fast and then goes for ridiculous prices on discogs and ebay.

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/MICP-30121?s_ssid=e47e795eddaeb9a6ce
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/MICP-30122?s_ssid=e47e795eddaeb9a6ce
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 08, 2020, 09:48:02 AM
I would love a vinyl re-issue of the two LTE albums, they are currently for sale on discogs for over 400€.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 08, 2020, 03:37:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2020, 04:55:45 PM
I couldn't help but wonder where the Boston and Blue Oyster Cult albums were (although I was not surprised since I don't think I've ever heard him mention either band).
Probably didn't bother with getting reissues since he more than likely still has the originals and didn't see the need to get the reissues of them.

Could be.  Is he a fan of either?  Again, I don't think I've ever heard him mention either, although there are so many bands that it's hard to mention them all. :lol  Given his musical preferences, I would be shocked if he didn't like both at least a little bit.

Here is a tweet where he talked about listening to Boston’s debut album a few years ago:

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/800440970118594560?s=21

Back when MP was in the band and they were doing cover albums, I always voted for Boston's debut. Thought that would work well on a two night stand in Boston.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2020, 05:03:01 PM


Here is a tweet where he talked about listening to Boston’s debut album a few years ago:

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/800440970118594560?s=21

 :tup :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

To be honest, it surprises me that he would do this given that he is in 828 bands and it could fracture relationships within them and/or drive some fans away, and those bands aren't exactly filling up arenas, but I can't blame anyone right now for feeling that way about a certain someone (who shall remain nameless since this isn't P/R).   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 08, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

That was... not good. :|
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 08, 2020, 10:23:22 PM


Here is a tweet where he talked about listening to Boston’s debut album a few years ago:

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/800440970118594560?s=21

 :tup :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

To be honest, it surprises me that he would do this given that he is in 828 bands and it could fracture relationships within them and/or drive some fans away, and those bands aren't exactly filling up arenas, but I can't blame anyone right now for feeling that way about a certain someone (who shall remain nameless since this isn't P/R).

I personally respect someone more for taking a stand when they have something to lose. I’m not gonna get into my opinions from the subject since this is P/R (which I refuse to take part in because this website is supposed to be an escape from all of the craziness in this world), but I do commend Portnoy for standing up for what he believes in over these past few weeks even if he pushes some fans away because of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
but I do commend Portnoy for standing up for what he believes in over these past few weeks even if he pushes some fans away because of it.

What pushed me away was his singing on that song :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Moor on June 09, 2020, 03:12:18 AM
but I do commend Portnoy for standing up for what he believes in over these past few weeks even if he pushes some fans away because of it.

What pushed me away was his singing on that song :lol

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on June 09, 2020, 07:03:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

That was... not good. :|

Understatement
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 09, 2020, 07:47:59 AM
I don't care about Mike's political opinion and I always thought it was smart of him to never post anything political. I'm surprised that he decided to now do so.

Apart from that, I don't know what he's trying to do with these covers  :lol I don't see myself (or anyone else) listening to this again in one year.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on June 09, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
My only comment is how funny it is to see so many upset comments on his Facebook regarding that video. Sure a lot of MP's fans are probably a little bit more uh... domesticated... than they probably were in the early 90s... but I would still love to travel back in time to 1992 and tell them that one day they'll stop liking Mike Portnoy because he flipped off a video of... Donald Trump...  :biggrin:.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2020, 07:58:03 AM
My only comment is how funny it is to see so many upset comments on his Facebook regarding that video. Sure a lot of MP's fans are probably a little bit more uh... domesticated... than they probably were in the early 90s... but I would still love to travel back in time to 1992 and tell them that one day they'll stop liking Mike Portnoy because he flipped off a video of... Donald Trump...  :biggrin:.

Hey, as long as he didn't kneel for our flag!



I thought it was fine. Not my favorite song and I thought his vocals really took down a peg, but he's just having fun. As far as I know he's not releasing this for purchase or making an album for 10 bucks of this stuff. It's just going for free on youtube. Let the man have his fun, I wish I could do that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on June 09, 2020, 08:03:50 AM
Yeah I'll also add that I think it's more surprising it took MP this long to become a one-man cover band. He's got potential to be a full-time Youtuber.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 09, 2020, 08:12:07 AM
My only comment is how funny it is to see so many upset comments on his Facebook regarding that video. Sure a lot of MP's fans are probably a little bit more uh... domesticated... than they probably were in the early 90s... but I would still love to travel back in time to 1992 and tell them that one day they'll stop liking Mike Portnoy because he flipped off a video of... Donald Trump...  :biggrin:.

Hey, as long as he didn't kneel for our flag!



I thought it was fine. Not my favorite song and I thought his vocals really took down a peg, but he's just having fun. As far as I know he's not releasing this for purchase or making an album for 10 bucks of this stuff. It's just going for free on youtube. Let the man have his fun, I wish I could do that kind of stuff.

Yes. But he just did release a cover album you can buy for way too much money.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2020, 08:19:52 AM
Everyone else sees this coming, right?

It's only a matter of time before he does some tour as the frontman with his kid on drums. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
My only comment is how funny it is to see so many upset comments on his Facebook regarding that video. Sure a lot of MP's fans are probably a little bit more uh... domesticated... than they probably were in the early 90s... but I would still love to travel back in time to 1992 and tell them that one day they'll stop liking Mike Portnoy because he flipped off a video of... Donald Trump...  :biggrin:.

Hey, as long as he didn't kneel for our flag!



I thought it was fine. Not my favorite song and I thought his vocals really took down a peg, but he's just having fun. As far as I know he's not releasing this for purchase or making an album for 10 bucks of this stuff. It's just going for free on youtube. Let the man have his fun, I wish I could do that kind of stuff.

Yes. But he just did release a cover album you can buy for way too much money.

Indeed! And I've been critical of that.

But these youtube vids are a different story.

I actually love watching many of these homemade youtube videos that bands/artists have been making during quarantine. I would hate for any artist to be so strictly limited in what they can do. Metallica's new Blackened, or seeing Lords of Lost (who I am not a huge fan of) doing the home videos, or Suicide Silence with Tatiana from Jinjer, or Sheryl Crow doing her weird song videos. Literally all of it is at least interesting, even if I don't end up digging it a ton. I just love to see artists get weird and try new things outside of their extremely controlled comfort zones.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2020, 08:37:13 AM
A little obvious, perhaps.  I'm not the biggest fan of the strident, "revolutionary" Lennon, but that was decent. 

Amazing to me that those are Lennon's original words (at least the ones I checked; I didn't go through it line by line) and they were written in 1971, almost 50 years ago.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on June 09, 2020, 08:40:44 AM
I never thought I'd see one of my former favorite drummers of all time dressed like a Vietnam war vet yelling about the President but this is the timeline we're in  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2020, 08:45:19 AM
I never thought I'd see one of my former favorite drummers of all time dressed like a Vietnam war vet yelling about the President but this is the timeline we're in  :lol

We're back to the 70's when that was common? :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on June 09, 2020, 08:47:06 AM
I never thought I'd see one of my former favorite drummers of all time dressed like a Vietnam war vet yelling about the President but this is the timeline we're in  :lol

We're back to the 70's when that was common? :biggrin:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/U16ia3sz3GqDC/giphy.gif)

I can't wait for that new Zeppelin record!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zook on June 09, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
I wonder if he and Jon Schaffer know each other.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 09, 2020, 09:53:31 AM
After seeing that video,  Portnoy is going all Roger Waters on us...meets Lennon.. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 09, 2020, 10:06:57 AM
 I love MP, and I'm pretty sure you've seen me defend him against a lot of criticism here, but this video is cringeworthy, both musically and as a political statement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2020, 10:09:38 AM
I never thought I'd see one of my former favorite drummers of all time dressed like a Vietnam war vet yelling about the President but this is the timeline we're in  :lol

We're back to the 70's when that was common? :biggrin:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/U16ia3sz3GqDC/giphy.gif)

I can't wait for that new Zeppelin record!

Why is Ian Anderson yelling at that tall guy?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 09, 2020, 10:29:49 AM
My only comment is how funny it is to see so many upset comments on his Facebook regarding that video. Sure a lot of MP's fans are probably a little bit more uh... domesticated... than they probably were in the early 90s... but I would still love to travel back in time to 1992 and tell them that one day they'll stop liking Mike Portnoy because he flipped off a video of... Donald Trump...  :biggrin:.

Hey, as long as he didn't kneel for our flag!



I thought it was fine. Not my favorite song and I thought his vocals really took down a peg, but he's just having fun. As far as I know he's not releasing this for purchase or making an album for 10 bucks of this stuff. It's just going for free on youtube. Let the man have his fun, I wish I could do that kind of stuff.

I would actually buy it, even though I don't dig a lot of it. I try to be a completist when it comes to my favorite bands. I own all of LaBrie's stuff including Winter Rose, Ayreon, etc. I own all of Myung's stuff. I own all of Charlie's, Kevin's, Derek's, and Petrucci's stuff. Hell, I even own stuff from Chris Cintron, the guy that was almost the frontman of DT before James. With Jordan and Mike, they release way too much, the majority of which I can't get into. I would probably buy a Mike solo album, even if it is just a bunch of covers, mainly for the novelty but hey, maybe he'll do a song I really dig.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 09, 2020, 10:53:59 AM
With how prolific MP have been. Imaging you introducing MP to a friend and said friend goes to youtube and the first thing he listen is this song.

 :rollin

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 09, 2020, 10:56:49 AM
but this video is cringeworthy, both musically and as a political statement.

It was rough. I thought it was a joke for the first thirty seconds or so then I realized it wasn't meant to be one......
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2020, 11:00:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

Finally just checked it out.  The song was decent.  I didn't care for the video portion.  But regardless of the side being taken, I tend to not care for one-sided political bashing in music.  But if he had made it more bipartisan (or perhaps "a-partisan" would be a more correct term?), and showed the president, and prominent democrats and republican politicians, and thus not taken as hard a side and made it about politicians in general, I would quite liked the message.

That said, I can't/don't begrudge him his stance at all.  I don't at all mind people taking a strong stance on one side of an issue, provided they are willing to discuss it and not dig in with a myopic "if you aren't for us, you are against us" mentality.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DragonAttack on June 09, 2020, 11:08:16 AM
Lyrics (other than switching 'tricky dicky' to 'daddy Freddy') were exact.

A shame it wasn't sped up more to match the original, but I liked it.  I mean, he is asking for 'truth' from the biggest 'untruther' that ever lived.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2020, 12:13:07 PM
Didn't even realize it was a cover.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 09, 2020, 12:38:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

Finally just checked it out.  The song was decent.  I didn't care for the video portion.  But regardless of the side being taken, I tend to not care for one-sided political bashing in music.  But if he had made it more bipartisan (or perhaps "a-partisan" would be a more correct term?), and showed the president, and prominent democrats and republican politicians, and thus not taken as hard a side and made it about politicians in general, I would quite liked the message.

That said, I can't/don't begrudge him his stance at all.  I don't at all mind people taking a strong stance on one side of an issue, provided they are willing to discuss it and not dig in with a myopic "if you aren't for us, you are against us" mentality.
So much this!   :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 09, 2020, 12:45:21 PM
I actually enjoyed that cover. It was cool how he counterbalanced the grittiness and edginess of the song with snippets from All you need is love and Imagine, it reminds you of how amazing Lennon is. Also, even though I do not consider Mike a great singer, his rough voice actually served the song rather well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: kaos2900 on June 09, 2020, 01:55:02 PM
Why? Just why?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 09, 2020, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: Mladen link=topic=19086.msg2670810#msg2670810 date=1591728321Also, even though I do not consider Mike a great singer, his rough voice actually served the song rather well.
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I agree.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
Watching now, looks pretty interesting especially since I started collecting vinyl's a few years ago. I wonder if MP has a discogs account.

I'd much rather him talk about his old vinyl, CDs or DVDS.  Not really much of a fan of too much new in the way of vinyl.

That said I saw the first episode and really liked the Beatles section which is kind of an exception to the new vinyl rule.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Heads up for the LTE collectors, Japan only re-issues of LTE 1&2 in SHM-CD Mini-LP format released May 27 2020.
This format is highly sought after and sells out fast and then goes for ridiculous prices on discogs and ebay.

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/MICP-30121?s_ssid=e47e795eddaeb9a6ce
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/MICP-30122?s_ssid=e47e795eddaeb9a6ce

Still not convinced that these sound that much better than the normal Japanese releases but they seem to have a following.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 09, 2020, 07:18:17 PM
After seeing that video,  Portnoy is going all Roger Waters on us...meets Lennon.. :lol

I didn't know he was this big of a Roger Waters fan.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 07:22:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

Didn't know about this. I enjoyed it. Nice to see him getting some work in on the other instruments.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 07:33:49 PM
Everyone else sees this coming, right?

It's only a matter of time before he does some tour as the frontman with his kid on drums.

Under the right circumstances it  (being in the same project) will happen. May not last long but he'll have a blast doing it.

Still like the idea of a drum battle for charity between the sons of Labrie and Portnoy, but I'm fairly confident I'd be the only one with any interest in it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 09, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
Why? Just why?
Why not?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on June 09, 2020, 11:07:15 PM
MP added this comment on that video...

Quote
To be honest, I’m pleasantly surprised to see the comments here are being much more civil than I feared...Thank you 🙏 ✌️👊

For the record just so I don’t have to respond to individual comments, here’s a few things I’ve posed elsewhere on this subject:

I’m tired of not being able to say how much I despise Trump out of fear of “losing fans”...at this point, silence is complicity and enough is enough...

For me, It’s not about right or left...red or blue...Republican or Democrat...it’s about being a decent human being that respects others and uses kindness as a tool to unite...
I have no respect whatsoever for this man...it has nothing to do with his political affiliation...it has to do with his despicable characteristics that I absolutely despise.
And I would’ve said the same exact thing if Obama or Clinton or Kennedy acted this way.

For that matter, I also have some friends, family and band members that support him...so let’s just agree to disagree

I appreciate that you follow me on social media and I respect that you have your opinion...but please respect that I have my own as well. We don’t have to have the same opinions & agree, but there’s certainly no need to fight and be mean about it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on June 09, 2020, 11:11:57 PM
Disregard my post.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 09, 2020, 11:17:10 PM
MP added this comment on that video...

Quote
To be honest, I’m pleasantly surprised to see the comments here are being much more civil than I feared...Thank you 🙏 ✌️👊

For the record just so I don’t have to respond to individual comments, here’s a few things I’ve posed elsewhere on this subject:

I’m tired of not being able to say how much I despise Trump out of fear of “losing fans”...at this point, silence is complicity and enough is enough...

For me, It’s not about right or left...red or blue...Republican or Democrat...it’s about being a decent human being that respects others and uses kindness as a tool to unite...
I have no respect whatsoever for this man...it has nothing to do with his political affiliation...it has to do with his despicable characteristics that I absolutely despise.
And I would’ve said the same exact thing if Obama or Clinton or Kennedy acted this way.

For that matter, I also have some friends, family and band members that support him...so let’s just agree to disagree

I appreciate that you follow me on social media and I respect that you have your opinion...but please respect that I have my own as well. We don’t have to have the same opinions & agree, but there’s certainly no need to fight and be mean about it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

All that is why I didn't bother to bring it up here. 

You're following him. If you don't like it, you don't have to follow his social media. Its really that simple.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2020, 06:09:54 PM
MP added this comment on that video...

Quote
To be honest, I’m pleasantly surprised to see the comments here are being much more civil than I feared...Thank you 🙏 ✌️👊

For the record just so I don’t have to respond to individual comments, here’s a few things I’ve posed elsewhere on this subject:

I’m tired of not being able to say how much I despise Trump out of fear of “losing fans”...at this point, silence is complicity and enough is enough...

For me, It’s not about right or left...red or blue...Republican or Democrat...it’s about being a decent human being that respects others and uses kindness as a tool to unite...
I have no respect whatsoever for this man...it has nothing to do with his political affiliation...it has to do with his despicable characteristics that I absolutely despise.
And I would’ve said the same exact thing if Obama or Clinton or Kennedy acted this way.

For that matter, I also have some friends, family and band members that support him...so let’s just agree to disagree

I appreciate that you follow me on social media and I respect that you have your opinion...but please respect that I have my own as well. We don’t have to have the same opinions & agree, but there’s certainly no need to fight and be mean about it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Thanks for posting that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: tuto on June 10, 2020, 06:16:48 PM


Here is a tweet where he talked about listening to Boston’s debut album a few years ago:

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/800440970118594560?s=21

 :tup :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

To be honest, it surprises me that he would do this given that he is in 828 bands and it could fracture relationships within them and/or drive some fans away, and those bands aren't exactly filling up arenas, but I can't blame anyone right now for feeling that way about a certain someone (who shall remain nameless since this isn't P/R).

Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 10, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
Part two is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I6q6y_aaug

I could listen to him talk about music for hours. The Dream Theater section was my favorite this time.  He was worried about going on too long, but I always welcome when he goes off like this.  I hope he continues after he's done with the new vinyl.

Have to say I'm comforted when he says that he has trouble remembering details. He doesn't seem too bothered about it, but it always bothers the crap out of me when I forget details that I once knew for most of my life. Didn't know Enchant's first album was released on wax.  The might be one album I need to have on vinyl
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2020, 06:25:18 PM


Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

No idea, but to explain what I meant a little better, it is possible that if one of his bands sees a slight downtick in ticket sales post-COVID, a band member, even one who agrees with his political take, might wonder if some fans jumped ship because Portnoy basically said FU Donald Trump.  Let's face it, we have seen enough silliness in the last few years to where some fans will boycott a TV show, sport  or band or whatever if they see an artist, athlete or celebrity take a political stance that is the complete opposite of theirs.  It happens.  Maybe it'll only be a small percentage, but it could be enough to break bands who are needing that little extra nudge to keep going.

Ultimately, as long as Neal Morse Band, Flying Colors and Transatlantic are all good and keep going, I am good. :hat :hat

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: tuto on June 10, 2020, 07:55:27 PM


Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

No idea, but to explain what I meant a little better, it is possible that if one of his bands sees a slight downtick in ticket sales post-COVID, a band member, even one who agrees with his political take, might wonder if some fans jumped ship because Portnoy basically said FU Donald Trump.  Let's face it, we have seen enough silliness in the last few years to where some fans will boycott a TV show, sport  or band or whatever if they see an artist, athlete or celebrity take a political stance that is the complete opposite of theirs.  It happens.  Maybe it'll only be a small percentage, but it could be enough to break bands who are needing that little extra nudge to keep going.

Ultimately, as long as Neal Morse Band, Flying Colors and Transatlantic are all good and keep going, I am good. :hat :hat

Got you. Yeah, it makes sense. Also, the Neal Morse Band is becoming my all-time favorite prog band 😎 hope they keep going for years and years to come!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on June 10, 2020, 08:18:13 PM
No idea, but to explain what I meant a little better, it is possible that if one of his bands sees a slight downtick in ticket sales post-COVID, a band member, even one who agrees with his political take, might wonder if some fans jumped ship because Portnoy basically said FU Donald Trump.  Let's face it, we have seen enough silliness in the last few years to where some fans will boycott a TV show, sport  or band or whatever if they see an artist, athlete or celebrity take a political stance that is the complete opposite of theirs.  It happens.  Maybe it'll only be a small percentage, but it could be enough to break bands who are needing that little extra nudge to keep going.

Ultimately, as long as Neal Morse Band, Flying Colors and Transatlantic are all good and keep going, I am good. :hat :hat

With TA, at least, I can't imagine it being an issue, seeing as Roine has long been at least as openly political and in more or less the same direction. I could imagine NMB having a higher proportion of conservative fans than most prog artists due to Neal's religious message, so if there was to be an issue of some kind from this, I'd guess that's where it'd be.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 10, 2020, 09:05:47 PM


Here is a tweet where he talked about listening to Boston’s debut album a few years ago:

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/800440970118594560?s=21

 :tup :tup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzgIs9pT1A&feature=youtu.be

surprised nobody has commented on this. Mike is getting political. I don't necessarily like the song as Im not a john lennon fan, but I saw in the comments somebody recommended speeding it up to 1.75x speed to make it sound more punk. I tried that and it wasn't good. So I sped it up to 1.25 and I actually kind of dug it.

To be honest, it surprises me that he would do this given that he is in 828 bands and it could fracture relationships within them and/or drive some fans away, and those bands aren't exactly filling up arenas, but I can't blame anyone right now for feeling that way about a certain someone (who shall remain nameless since this isn't P/R).

Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

I know one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 10, 2020, 09:07:08 PM
Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

I know one.

do tell :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2020, 09:26:49 PM


With TA, at least, I can't imagine it being an issue, seeing as Roine has long been at least as openly political and in more or less the same direction. I could imagine NMB having a higher proportion of conservative fans than most prog artists due to Neal's religious message, so if there was to be an issue of some kind from this, I'd guess that's where it'd be.

Nah, I think most NMB fans are so addicted to Neal and his music that they wouldn't care.  (and I mean that in a good way)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2020, 09:33:47 PM
Part two is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I6q6y_aaug

I could listen to him talk about music for hours. The Dream Theater section was my favorite this time.  He was worried about going on too long, but I always welcome when he goes off like this.  I hope he continues after he's done with the new vinyl.

Have to say I'm comforted when he says that he has trouble remembering details. He doesn't seem too bothered about it, but it always bothers the crap out of me when I forget details that I once knew for most of my life. Didn't know Enchant's first album was released on wax.  The might be one album I need to have on vinyl

I saw this earlier. Good stuff, and it was cool to hear his thoughts on the DT albums over the years.  I also thought it was nice to see him refer to JLB by name when he mentioned how I&W was the first DT album with him and did it with no snark or anything.  He seems pretty at peace with his time in DT and where he is now in life with it.  That is good to see.  :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 10, 2020, 10:36:25 PM
Part two is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I6q6y_aaug

I could listen to him talk about music for hours. The Dream Theater section was my favorite this time.  He was worried about going on too long, but I always welcome when he goes off like this.  I hope he continues after he's done with the new vinyl.

Have to say I'm comforted when he says that he has trouble remembering details. He doesn't seem too bothered about it, but it always bothers the crap out of me when I forget details that I once knew for most of my life. Didn't know Enchant's first album was released on wax.  The might be one album I need to have on vinyl

I saw this earlier. Good stuff, and it was cool to hear his thoughts on the DT albums over the years.  I also thought it was nice to see him refer to JLB by name when he mentioned how I&W was the first DT album with him and did it with no snark or anything.  He seems pretty at peace with his time in DT and where he is now in life with it.  That is good to see.  :coolio :coolio

I like how he always defends the original cover for WDADU (the one with the album title on it) vs the one that ended up being on the CD. The vinyl one looks much better to me as well and that's the one I have as the cover for the album on my iTunes library/iPhone.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 11, 2020, 03:16:48 AM
Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

I know one.

do tell :corn
Yeah  :biggrin: What he said is so tame and couched in so many disclaimers, I really don't know anyone who's worked with Mike and who's so deep in that side of politics that personal criticism of the man (not political, or criticism of those who support him) would hurt them deeply.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on June 11, 2020, 06:40:54 AM
Loved his enthusiasm. He came across as very likable.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on June 11, 2020, 07:30:29 AM
I haven't had time to look the whole second episode, but: very interesting videos! I love how he's just a huge fanboy of so many things.

I'm quite surprised that he has nothing by Big Big Train in his collection. He has mentioned them and I'm very sure he knows their music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 11, 2020, 08:04:25 AM
Just watched these last night. Seeing him speak as a huge fan of music is always awesome, and his knowledge is incredible. He also seems to speak about his time in Dream Theater with a lot more peace than he did in the past.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on June 11, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
Just watched these last night. Seeing him speak as a huge fan of music is always awesome, and his knowledge is incredible. He also seems to speak about his time in Dream Theater with a lot more peace than he did in the past.

@TheCountOfNYC
Your avatar is great! Used to play that game till death.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 11, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

I know one.

do tell :corn

Isn’t Petrucci a bit of a Trump guy? Not a current band mate obviously but a possible one if, as suggested, LTE is only a matter of time.

Edit only a matter of time wasn’t deliberate!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 11, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
Which ones of all of his bandmates would (hypothetically) be upset about this?

I know one.

do tell :corn

Isn’t Petrucci a bit of a Trump guy? Not a current band mate obviously but a possible one if, as suggested, LTE is only a matter of time.

Edit only a matter of time wasn’t deliberate!

I think Petrucci stated something on social media being slightly supporting of Trump, but not really saying he's a full on Trump guy.  This was some time ago. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 11, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
Yeah, I think it was shortly after Trump became president and Petrucci said that he liked him and hoped people would give him a chance, something like that.  I was pretty horrified at the time but I got over it!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on June 11, 2020, 04:15:43 PM
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Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on June 11, 2020, 06:50:50 PM
Based on stuff they’ve said, and who they follow on Twitter, Petrucci and Mangini are both Trump guys. Especially Mangini.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on June 11, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
Love those Vinyl videos posted by MP, his music knowledge is always so fascinating to listen and watch. I would totally follow any videos or podcasts he makes along these lines, back in the ToT days, I would obsessively listen to any interview he or soundbites of his. His summit with Eddit Trunk and Chris Jericho is still my favorite interview. Such a fun 3 hours (I think?) show that was.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 11, 2020, 07:44:07 PM
I had heard that JP retracted his comments about Trump, but I assumed that that was true without checking, so maybe I'm wrong. :-\

To be fair, his comments seemed more along the lines of "this is a new opportunity, let's see what happens", so I could imagine him changing his mind in the years since.

I don't know the extent of MM's support though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 11, 2020, 08:09:56 PM
mike portnoy to replace mangini in dream theater due to his views on the president
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 12, 2020, 05:18:39 AM
I had heard that JP retracted his comments about Trump, but I assumed that that was true without checking, so maybe I'm wrong. :-\

To be fair, his comments seemed more along the lines of "this is a new opportunity, let's see what happens", so I could imagine him changing his mind in the years since.
Yeah, he said something along the lines of "idk why people are reacting to Trump being elected in such a way, isn't the guy a successful businessman?", and I thought, well, I knew JP has been living under a rock practicing guitar for the past 25 years, nice to see it confirmed in this way :lol we know he's conservative politically and religious, and not to wade into P/R too much, but the only true Trump supporters who are like that are actual evangelicals, so he's probably not it.

As for MM, he seems like the kind of guy who will follow EVERYTHING on twitter just to "stay informed".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2020, 07:53:52 AM
Can we leave the judgment out of it, though?  They are or they aren't; that's up to them, and they're entitled to their political opinions.   As are we, but there's a space for that elsewhere here.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on June 12, 2020, 09:17:39 AM
I don't know why, but I've got it in my head that he could also be referring to Billy Sheehan.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2020, 09:28:31 AM
I don't know why, but I've got it in my head that he could also be referring to Billy Sheehan.

Which political way do scientologists typically sway?  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 12, 2020, 09:32:00 AM
I don't know why, but I've got it in my head that he could also be referring to Billy Sheehan.

Which political way do scientologists typically sway?  :lol

Not him (that I know of), but you're getting close.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 12, 2020, 10:07:10 AM
I don't know why, but I've got it in my head that he could also be referring to Billy Sheehan.

Which political way do scientologists typically sway?  :lol

I would guess that (1) it depends on the issue, but (2) given the high profile types that gravitate toward it, I would guess the more liberal direction.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2020, 12:23:51 PM
I don't know why, but I've got it in my head that he could also be referring to Billy Sheehan.

Which political way do scientologists typically sway?  :lol

Whichever way Tom Cruise directs them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 12, 2020, 01:53:33 PM
I really wish Tom Cruise was not such a real life weirdo as he seems like a really nice guy - he's never had a #MeToo kind of scandal ** - his films are generally on the Good to Great side.







** That I know of / recall.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 12, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
Can we leave the judgment out of it, though?
We're just talking! I just find this amusing as a thought exercise. No one is out trying to figure out who these people are so they could be "cancelled", if we know about it it's public knowledge anyway. I don't think JP is less cool for being vastly more conservative than me, he is who he is and it's not like there's a lack of musicians who are "on my side" in my library anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 12, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
So here’s some actual new music MP has contributed to. Not sure if a Facebook link will work, but explanation here:

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=4267507119933564&id=116713035013014

New song here (haven’t even listened to this yet).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&fbclid=IwAR1hdNGurNn1HvBSXqz6KMTn4WVNwbq85a1OIcvCvtS_Dn2FWB7QRh6uyT8&feature=youtu.be&v=86xpCck2lnU
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 12, 2020, 02:40:01 PM
Can we leave the judgment out of it, though?
We're just talking! I just find this amusing as a thought exercise. No one is out trying to figure out who these people are so they could be "cancelled", if we know about it it's public knowledge anyway. I don't think JP is less cool for being vastly more conservative than me, he is who he is and it's not like there's a lack of musicians who are "on my side" in my library anyway.
I am also somewhat fascinated by political views of musicians, so if this continues to be a discussion without judgement, I'd like to follow it and read through the posts.

I remember this was the video in which Petrucci commented on Trump after the 2016 election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVyDJ-LMHeI 7:08

EDIT: I've just now realized that this might be off topic, so if anyone feels like deleting the post or moving it to a different thread, no hard feelings.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lupton on June 12, 2020, 04:21:31 PM
People are always going to be interested in the personal beliefs of those who create art.  As it stands, artists and their views on life are inherently entrenched. Maybe not so much in prog rock, where things generally skew towards the apolitical side of things. But any sort of lyrical statement of any kind is a social statement and carries an inherent bias. If this weren't true no one would ever have any need to express themselves lyrically and there'd be NO stories to tell. This is an unavoidable fact of life. If you want to avoid any sort of reading into the human condition, then you should only make instrumental music.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 12, 2020, 04:55:53 PM
So here’s some actual new music MP has contributed to. Not sure if a Facebook link will work, but explanation here:

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=4267507119933564&id=116713035013014

New song here (haven’t even listened to this yet).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&fbclid=IwAR1hdNGurNn1HvBSXqz6KMTn4WVNwbq85a1OIcvCvtS_Dn2FWB7QRh6uyT8&feature=youtu.be&v=86xpCck2lnU

Just watched this. That was a nice little tune and a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
Look, I get the fact that music (and all art) is inherently self-expression, and that includes political topics.  This isn't about that.  I'm a HUGE REM fan, and I can remember seeing them in Connecticut five days or so after Bush was reelected and Michael Stipe had a black band of makeup over his eyes (normally it was blue or green if memory serves) and at one point he said something to the effect that "this was the darkest day of his life" (and got booed, by the way).   I LOVE Neal Young, Bruce Springsteen, and John Mellencamp, and they've never been shy about their leanings.  I don't pick my artists based on whether I agree with their politics; in fact, I don't PICK my artists, they pick me (if their music moves me, yay! If it doesn't, let's move on). 

I was commenting more on the reaction to the specific position, specifically words like "horrified", and emojis that are not exactly in keeping with "no judgment".   And of course, I'm not a mod, so it's certainly not a directive.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 15, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Voices Of Apollo (Jeff Scott Soto, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal & Mike Portnoy) - Nowhere Man

This is always a fun 3 Part harmony song that MP, JSS & Bumblefoot would often sing together on tour.
Being we can't sing together on tour at the moment, we decided to do a fun video collaboration so we can still sing together even while in Quarantine!

Enjoy!

https://www.facebook.com/SonsOfApollo1/videos/vb.149119852288489/357008058600897/?type=2&theater
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 15, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
Very classy of Ron Thal to play left-handed bass.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Peter Mc on June 15, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
Look, I get the fact that music (and all art) is inherently self-expression, and that includes political topics.  This isn't about that.  I'm a HUGE REM fan, and I can remember seeing them in Connecticut five days or so after Bush was reelected and Michael Stipe had a black band of makeup over his eyes (normally it was blue or green if memory serves) and at one point he said something to the effect that "this was the darkest day of his life" (and got booed, by the way).   I LOVE Neal Young, Bruce Springsteen, and John Mellencamp, and they've never been shy about their leanings.  I don't pick my artists based on whether I agree with their politics; in fact, I don't PICK my artists, they pick me (if their music moves me, yay! If it doesn't, let's move on). 

I was commenting more on the reaction to the specific position, specifically words like "horrified", and emojis that are not exactly in keeping with "no judgment".   And of course, I'm not a mod, so it's certainly not a directive.

Horrified was a little bit of hyperbole on my part but I will say that I do judge anyone who would support that man and it was disappointing to see a hero of mine in his camp.  That being said, I don’t make a decision on what music I like based on who people vote for so that alone will not affect me being a fan. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 15, 2020, 02:21:38 PM
Very classy of Ron Thal to play left-handed bass.
Actually, that's the mirror image - if you look at the headstock, you can see the Vigier logo is flopped. Still a cool little detail that they included.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 15, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
 :facepalm:

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
That’s a weird cover in that they sounded good when doing the harmonies, but every time one sang a lead alone, it didn’t sound good. And the lead singer was the worst of the three. :lol

In all fairness, though, most bands wouldn’t come close to matching the majestic lead vocals of McCartney or Lennon.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
https://youtu.be/Y8tdES8Txc8?t=86

Confirmation from the man himself that he and JMX spent New Year's Eve together.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 17, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
https://youtu.be/Y8tdES8Txc8?t=86

Confirmation from the man himself that he and JMX spent New Year's Eve together.

I wonder how many more Cameo videos this Vince guy is going to get from DT members?!  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 18, 2020, 03:47:59 AM
https://youtu.be/Y8tdES8Txc8?t=86

Confirmation from the man himself that he and JMX spent New Year's Eve together.

I wonder how many more Cameo videos this Vince guy is going to get from DT members?!  :lol

-Marc.

Yeah, I think he's done five or six at this point...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on June 18, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Man I am really getting tired of every single person on YouTube using the phrase " in these crazy times "...  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kyo on June 18, 2020, 02:52:35 PM
Man I am really getting tired of every single person on YouTube using the phrase " in these crazy times "...  :biggrin: :biggrin:

In these crazy times we need a lot of tolerance for that!  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on June 18, 2020, 11:13:48 PM
https://youtu.be/Y8tdES8Txc8?t=86

Confirmation from the man himself that he and JMX spent New Year's Eve together.

I wonder how many more Cameo videos this Vince guy is going to get from DT members?!  :lol

-Marc.

Most, if not all, of these videos have been prompted by one person.

Still, some nice information coming out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2020, 07:58:45 AM
https://youtu.be/Y8tdES8Txc8?t=86

Confirmation from the man himself that he and JMX spent New Year's Eve together.

I wonder how many more Cameo videos this Vince guy is going to get from DT members?!  :lol

-Marc.

Most, if not all, of these videos have been prompted by one person.

Still, some nice information coming out.

What do you mean here?  Are you referring to Vince himself, or someone else? 

In these crazy times, you have to be extra clear. 

;)  :) 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 19, 2020, 09:24:08 AM
https://youtu.be/Y8tdES8Txc8?t=86

Confirmation from the man himself that he and JMX spent New Year's Eve together.

I wonder how many more Cameo videos this Vince guy is going to get from DT members?!  :lol

-Marc.

Most, if not all, of these videos have been prompted by one person.

Still, some nice information coming out.

What do you mean here?  Are you referring to Vince himself, or someone else? 

In these crazy times, you have to be extra clear. 

;)  :)

I checked Vince's YouTube channel, and he has many other videos - Jeff Scott Soto, Bumblefoot, Jordan Rudess...in these crazy AND UNPRECEDENTED times, this is a life-changing piece of information.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2020, 10:49:01 AM
He's not an executive at Cameo, is he?  :)

I'd actually like to do that, but I'd feel sort of... stupid.  I have had reasonably informative conversations with artists before - I stood on a sidewalk and had a conversation with Gary Barden for about 10 minutes and it was fascinating - and I can't help that it was part and parcel because there were no phones/videos/pictures (I have a pic with Gary, but at first I demurred and he, well, not "insisted", but encouraged it).  Same with Billy Squier.  Although James, Jordan and Mike all seemed sincere, the fact is, they ALL know that these videos will be on a website in MINUTES, so you're getting "filter".  I don't even have an answering machine message anymore, and even if I did, the associate at Capital One looking for my payment this month isn't going to know who the f- that is... so....   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
Hey, sidebar, does Mike have a tongue piercing that we know of?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lupton on June 19, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
"Well the times they are a changin'. The answer (my friend) lies blowin' within from your end."  -probably Dylan or someone
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 19, 2020, 01:36:52 PM
Although James, Jordan and Mike all seemed sincere, the fact is, they ALL know that these videos will be on a website in MINUTES, so you're getting "filter".
Unless you're someone the band members know personally, you can be sure at this point in time that any conversation you have is going to be filtered, because it will end up getting posted somewhere online, especially if they leak some particularly juicy detail. So what you experienced with Gary Barden, being a complete stranger, is probably a thing of the past with most if not all musicians with some level of stature, in these crazy and unprecedented times.   :biggrin:
 
 
Hey, sidebar, does Mike have a tongue piercing that we know of?
Not that I'm aware of, but it's always possible. Still, I dunno if he'd bother to go that far with piercings.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 21, 2020, 01:25:00 PM
This is EXTREMELY HILARIOUS (at least to me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvHomA2Wl04

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 21, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
This is EXTREMELY HILARIOUS (at least to me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvHomA2Wl04

 :rollin

Let's hear Mike cover "Dig It" on his next tour, the FULL version of the song! :rollin

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
So here’s some actual new music MP has contributed to. Not sure if a Facebook link will work, but explanation here:

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=4267507119933564&id=116713035013014

New song here (haven’t even listened to this yet).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&fbclid=IwAR1hdNGurNn1HvBSXqz6KMTn4WVNwbq85a1OIcvCvtS_Dn2FWB7QRh6uyT8&feature=youtu.be&v=86xpCck2lnU

Fun watch and nicely done.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
He's not an executive at Cameo, is he?  :)

I'd actually like to do that, but I'd feel sort of... stupid.  I have had reasonably informative conversations with artists before - I stood on a sidewalk and had a conversation with Gary Barden for about 10 minutes and it was fascinating - and I can't help that it was part and parcel because there were no phones/videos/pictures (I have a pic with Gary, but at first I demurred and he, well, not "insisted", but encouraged it).  Same with Billy Squier.  Although James, Jordan and Mike all seemed sincere, the fact is, they ALL know that these videos will be on a website in MINUTES, so you're getting "filter".  I don't even have an answering machine message anymore, and even if I did, the associate at Capital One looking for my payment this month isn't going to know who the f- that is... so....

May have said this before, but I wouldn't pay to do something like this. It's much more fun for me to do it after a show if I feel like hanging around.

I've been watching Fish on Friday every week and that's free but there are thousands of people; many with questions and it's not certain that Fish will even see any given question let alone answer it, but I have a lot of fun watching anyway and if I really did want to ask hm something I suppose I could email it, but I'm just content to hear the man speak.  Wouldn't surprise me if Mike thought about doing this in the future since he's given up doing interviews. Again, I wouldn't pay for something like that, but it would be cool to tune in and hear him talk about music or films or whatever.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 21, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
This is EXTREMELY HILARIOUS (at least to me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvHomA2Wl04

 :rollin

I've done this the first time I saw Wallace and Grommit's The Wrong Trousers and Hot Fuzz. (But those were  genuinely funny and not absurd like in this case.) but I've totally been there before on the floor like that and unable to breath and tearing up because it's just so funny.



Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 21, 2020, 06:21:02 PM
This is EXTREMELY HILARIOUS (at least to me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvHomA2Wl04

 :rollin

 :rollin :rollin :rollin

Thats the funniest thing to have been unearthed onto the world.

Somebody please put it over this:

https://youtu.be/ML11w9yYwpA
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 22, 2020, 02:58:35 AM
He literally ROFL'd.  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 22, 2020, 07:40:10 AM
I've been watching the "documentaries" included on the various Neal Morse CD's lately - T2:Live, Momentum, The Grand Experiment - and I've come away with a new appreciation for both Mike and Neal.   I think some of the criticisms about Mike (he doesn't care about drumming, he doesn't practice, he doesn't do anything new) are unfair.  I get that we're watching (largely) what Neal and Randy want us to see, but Mike seemed really engaged, really involved, and really interested in making his imprint on the music.  And while I don't know the first thing about drumming, I think some of the stuff he puts in there is really special.

I've certainly come away with a new appreciation for him (though, ironically, it's soured me even further on some of the other stuff he works on: SoA, and the "metal stuff"). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on June 22, 2020, 08:52:20 AM
I went on a binge of all those behind the scenes stuff a few months ago and they are all so fun to watch, it was great to see the progression as well since I had a whole bunch of them to catch up to. I just don't have the Great Adventure one since I bought the regular jewel CD edition and now it's all signed by the band too so don't know if I should double dip just for the making of.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2020, 09:34:17 AM
I think some of the criticisms about Mike (he doesn't care about drumming, he doesn't practice, he doesn't do anything new) are unfair.

Totally.  I have always felt this way.  And as is often the case, it's often someone taking a soundbite and running with it without taking the time to understand the context at all.  MP clearly DOES practice.  But his "practice" at this stage of his life looks very different than it did when he was learning drums, or when he first joined DT, or the first 10 years of his career, etc.  No, he doesn't sit around the kit for hours on end practicing rudiments, or doing speed drills, or an hour-long warmup routine to drill on precision.  But it doesn't need to be those things at this stage in his career.  Stadler, it's no different from the fact that, as you and I continue studying and educating ourselves to be lawyers (which, for those who don't know, we have to do on an ongoing basis), we don't sit around and study contracts or evidence outlines, as we did for the Bar exam.  Our practice and study look very different a couple of decades into our careers, and there are reasons for that. 

On another note, I would love to go back and rewatch all of those documentaries.  Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.  But how cool that a couple of you are doing that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 22, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
Bosk, I agree with what you say, for the most part, but I'd say the case here is a bit different. Playing an instrument is also a very physical activity. Let's compare this to an athlete, for example: that person needs to work regularly, if not daily, but not to get better, just to mantain their current skill level/hability. If they want to get past that, that's where they have to push it. Playing an instrument is no different, it DOES take time and effort to mantain your current progress, because if you don't "practice" it, you lose it. Anyone who plays an instrument past the beginner stage knows this.

I'll use myself as another example, I've been a bass player for about 12 years now. While it's true that at first my practice routines looked very differently than now, as I'm not a professional musician or doing much gigs anymore and have a lot other things to do/worry about than sitting and playing, when I DO get to play, my self imposed task is to, at last, get to the "peak" I already got before, so that I don't lose it.
To take this even further, I was away in Mexico when the pandemic hit and got stuck there for more than 3 months, I'll finally be able to get home next week. I haven't touched a bass in more than 4 months, and when I get back, it's going to be very hard just to get to the point where I was before my travels.

About MP, I don't think anyone here is saying he doesn't sit and practice anymore, but rather that he doesn't raise the bar at all. Yes, he's VERY involved in the writing/recording process of whatever album he puts out, but when it comes to his drumming, it seems that he doesn't want to improve anymore, he just mantains the same level/skill set he's had since the Awake/FII era. And, as I said, that does take time and effort, but I'd say it's safe to assume he isn't improving his craft anymore. Whether that's good or bad, it depends really, but at least I would expect a professional musician in the prog rock/metal world, who's considered to be a virtuoso player and one of the best, to get serious about constantly improving, and that's possible (See: Mangini).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 22, 2020, 12:07:04 PM
Yeah, but you're assuming that YOUR standard of "raising the bar" applies to everyone.  If he's refining his... arranging skills, his writing skills, his reading skills, his bass-playing skills, his guitar skills... why doesn't that matter?   I've been a lawyer for almost 25 years.   There are things that it's just NOT worth at this point putting effort into, because the incremental growth is not worth the time, energy, money, and emotional bandwidth to improve.  BUT, there are things I can improve in a more efficient way.  And even in the drum field, he can improve in ways that aren't obvious to us, or that aren't purely physical/athletic endeavors.  I know for me (a guitar player) I like to be better today than I was yesterday, but almost none of that at this point involves finger exercises to out-Yngwie Yngwie.  I do want to learn how to communicate with people through my guitar, and maybe that's it.  Maybe for a guy that came out of Berkeley, and has done a fair amount of widdly widdly in his career, the trick is to assimilate better with the musicians around him.  You point out Mangini as if that's the standard; harsh I realize (and don't take me literally) but if that's "improving on your craft", I'd rather Mike P. stay exactly where he is.  Listening to Mike - even now - can still give me chills.  I cannot name one Portnoy track where I'm thinking "goddamn, was that out of place, or WHAT?".   It is the exact opposite with Mangini.  Not one track that gives me chills, and more than one where I'm like "my god, man, are you listening to the same song I am?"

There is also age; he and I are the same age (he's six months older than I am).  It takes me a LOT longer to learn some things than it did when I was 24, but a lot SHORTER to learn other things. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 22, 2020, 12:30:19 PM
Yeah, but you're assuming that YOUR standard of "raising the bar" applies to everyone.  If he's refining his... arranging skills, his writing skills, his reading skills, his bass-playing skills, his guitar skills... why doesn't that matter?   I've been a lawyer for almost 25 years.   There are things that it's just NOT worth at this point putting effort into, because the incremental growth is not worth the time, energy, money, and emotional bandwidth to improve.  BUT, there are things I can improve in a more efficient way.  And even in the drum field, he can improve in ways that aren't obvious to us, or that aren't purely physical/athletic endeavors.  I know for me (a guitar player) I like to be better today than I was yesterday, but almost none of that at this point involves finger exercises to out-Yngwie Yngwie.  I do want to learn how to communicate with people through my guitar, and maybe that's it.  Maybe for a guy that came out of Berkeley, and has done a fair amount of widdly widdly in his career, the trick is to assimilate better with the musicians around him.  You point out Mangini as if that's the standard; harsh I realize (and don't take me literally) but if that's "improving on your craft", I'd rather Mike P. stay exactly where he is.  Listening to Mike - even now - can still give me chills.  I cannot name one Portnoy track where I'm thinking "goddamn, was that out of place, or WHAT?".   It is the exact opposite with Mangini.  Not one track that gives me chills, and more than one where I'm like "my god, man, are you listening to the same song I am?"


I like this post and the bolded part is an interesting thought.


I feel like MP deserves a break from all of this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on June 22, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
As many bands and projects MP has been involved with, I would think that all the live gigs and studio time IS his practice.  He always shows up to a recording session prepared and plays the drums more than enough to stay polished. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 22, 2020, 12:33:33 PM
I have come around this a little bit, to where I now probably agree with Stadler's take.  Portnoy said recently (cannot remember where) that he can't play as fast as he used to, so rather than trying to maintain the fury and speed of his younger days, he is accepting that Father Time is beating him a little in that regard.  And he still plays a lot of great stuff. Heck, two of my favorite drums fills of his now (not overly difficult ones either, relatively) are from Third Degree, the most recent Flying Colors album, so while his playing might not be evolving in the technical sense, it's still plenty of fun.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 22, 2020, 12:36:45 PM
Plus I think it's unfair to hold him to the same standard to Mangini, because the fact is, it's Mangini that's the exception to the rule, not MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 22, 2020, 12:41:07 PM
Plus I think it's unfair to hold him to the same standard to Mangini, because the fact is, it's Mangini that's the exception to the rule, not MP.

Indeed. I think MP gets held to a strange standard, but that might be due to how highly regarded he is in general.

MM is an exception to that rule and makes it known. Neil Peart was also an exception. It's cool that people hold MP up to people like NP and MM but he's just not that kind of drummer. I can't think of other drummers who get crap for not progressing and most drummers outside of the more extremely technical fields basically just do their thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 22, 2020, 01:17:22 PM
I've listened to every DT, Transatlantic and Neal Morse album ad nauseam, and I've never got even close to thinking: "this is a drummer who's not practicing enough or has a stale vocabulary".

Again, I'm not on social media, so I have to deal with what I experience vs what I'm told.

[Iverson] Practice? [/Iverson]

I am a touring artist (musical theatre performer and director) with an average of 100-120 shows and 5 different productions per year, a family, a life, a tribute band and a DTF account. Well, the last time I had the literal time to practice in the traditional sense was my last day as young unemployed artist almost 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure Mike has way more on his hands and way less time than me. You get better and learn a lot of things while you work, and the mere fact you're using your instrument on a regular (and often harrowing) basis keeps it in shape. When (rarely, bar pandemics) you have time, you usually either rest, refocus, or work on performance losses due to age and consumption.

I am not Portnoy apologist - because I basically don't really know anything about the man except for his music - but I feel it's quite unfair to ask such an insanely prolific and talented musician as him to "get better", only because he's not the absolute best.

Do we hold ourselves to the same standard in our professions or endevours? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 22, 2020, 03:32:38 PM
I've listened to every DT, Transatlantic and Neal Morse album ad nauseam, and I've never got even close to thinking: "this is a drummer who's not practicing enough or has a stale vocabulary".

You have to listen harder then  :lol   He recycles several of his 'classic' fills on a couple songs every album he releases....and there are times (especially in SC and BC&SL) when you can just hear him mailing it in so to speak.


Indeed. I think MP gets held to a strange standard, but that might be due to how highly regarded he is in general. 

This is why I'm critical of him. when you hear the incredible output he had for the first half of his career......the dude is just awesome. But then there was a point (SC era) when (in my ear) he just got for the lack of a better term....lazy in his writing. Very predictable and rehashing of old themes.

Dude is unreal to watch live....an incredible showman and hall of fame drummer. That cannot be debated....it's fact. But, it's fairly obvious he's resting on his laurels and career and that's fine...he's earned it. But there will be criticism with that decision....especially when his peers (MM) continually try to and do improve and stay fresh.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 22, 2020, 04:06:06 PM
I've listened to every DT, Transatlantic and Neal Morse album ad nauseam, and I've never got even close to thinking: "this is a drummer who's not practicing enough or has a stale vocabulary".

You have to listen harder then  :lol   He recycles several of his 'classic' fills on a couple songs every album he releases....and there are times (especially in SC and BC&SL) when you can just hear him mailing it in so to speak.

 :D

Oh, I'm aware of the recycling, and it goes beyond fills: there are already-heard patterns scattered everywhere. That can't amount to "stale vocabulary" though, as long as I keep hearing new stuff in every album, and I do. Why should I overlook that and focus on something that every musician with a comparably huge quantity of recorded material (and frighteningly high density of playing therein) does?

Again, I'm not anyone's blind advocate. It's the standard that seems impossibly harsh.

Mangini (who I love) may very well be one of a kind, he can't be the standard. What if my wife decided John Holmes was the standard for virility?  :)



Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 22, 2020, 04:07:36 PM
I have said on more than one occasion:

MP inspired me to pick up my drum sticks.

MM inspired me to put them back down.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on June 22, 2020, 04:23:38 PM
The point is: recycling becomes much more evident when you release seven records a year.

In recent years he has saturated us with a multitude of releases. Quantity became something important to him. OK no problems. But I got to a point where I don't even listen to all the records anymore. BPMD, new SoA, Metal Allegiance? No thank you. It would have been inconceivable 15 years ago that MP was on a record and I wasn't going to listen to it.

Not everyone is bothered by this, cool. And I understand that MP will always be defended. But it is valid criticism.

MP does not need to practice more or change his style, as far as I am concerned. But that doesn't mean I'm going to clap for anything he does.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 22, 2020, 04:29:48 PM
MP does not need to practice more or change his style, as far as I am concerned. But that doesn't mean I'm going to clap for anything he does.

^ I completely agree with this.

I didn't clap at (or buy) anything he did 20 years ago, I still consider him a wonderful drummer now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 22, 2020, 04:47:06 PM
To say something a bit more positive, I must confess I've been enjoying SOA a bit more now than before. There's still some songs I don't think I'll ever go back to (Coming Home, Asphyxiation, Divine Addiction, Wither to Black, maybe a couple more) but the better ones I've been enjoying more the past weeks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on June 22, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
To say something a bit more positive, I must confess I've been enjoying SOA a bit more now than before. There's still some songs I don't think I'll ever go back to (Coming Home, Asphyxiation, Divine Addiction, Wither to Black, maybe a couple more) but the better ones I've been enjoying more the past weeks.

SoA I pretend it never existed.  :lol

To say something more positive too. I really love Flying Colors. I don't think FC3 surpassed the first one, but it's a very good record and I will always be willing to listen to the band.

EDIT: I forgot to write the first sentence in English.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lax on June 23, 2020, 12:42:22 AM
I have said on more than one occasion:
MP inspired me to pick up my drum sticks.
MM inspired me to put them back down.
I get what you mean!

I still wish I heard MM play dream theater stuff on MP's drumkit, to prove me right and that 50% of the "issue" is the drumkit
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kyo on June 23, 2020, 04:18:52 AM
A lack of practicing becomes a lot more of a problem when you're not just playing your own stuff which you can just shape to your comfort level, but playing challenging covers. Back in 2012, Mike played Apocalypse 1470 B.C. from Derek's solo debut Planet X. First off: It was a fun performance and the audience was into it. But the original version has some really tricky drum parts, with complex double bass and snare patterns while the second hand keeps a basic pulse going in an unintuitive combination, requiring a significant level of limb independence and preparation. Rather than rise to the challenge and figure out Virgil's stuff - and this was still 1999 level Virgil, not today's "I don't even know what's going on" level Virgil! - Mike simplified the drum parts and played the song in a way that was more comfortable to him. That to me was a very clear example of a lowered level of aspiration. It certainly got the job done. But it also seemed like cheating and it certainly didn't feel like an "OMG, this is one of the best drummers in the world at the top of his game" level performance.

Here's Virgil's part shown in detail - slow at first, at its original speed later:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10155081884222442

And here's Mike version, the part in question starting at 1:26:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt6WSSlyu3s
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on June 23, 2020, 06:15:08 AM
I don’t think Petrucci has been doing anything revolutionary lately either. Seems weird to pick on Portnoy about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 23, 2020, 07:05:45 AM
Maybe if JP had recorded 40 albums (I don't know how many new non-live albums MP put out, this is the number he put out in that interview which I assume includes live albums as well) in the past 10 years, we would be picking on him too because not repeating yourself in that case is next to impossible. MP kinda put himself in a tough spot here.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on June 23, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
I did ask MP about reinventing his style like Neil Peart did in the 90's when i interviewed him last December. He said he just didn't have the time because of so many bands and album releases every year. And that's fair. Nowadays, in order to survive in the music business you have to keep putting out albums and touring relentlessly. When Neil did that he was on a whole new level of revenue, and could afford time off to do what he did with Freddie Gruber.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 23, 2020, 09:57:49 AM
Personally, I think that's more than fair.  And it isn't necessarily "lazy" or "not caring enough about one's craft" to not have the desire to reinvent oneself.  The vast majority of people, even people who are recognized as being at the top of their game in what they do, never do that.  One just does not have to reinvent themselves to be considered incredible at what they do. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 23, 2020, 10:02:39 AM
Personally, I think that's more than fair.  And it isn't necessarily "lazy" or "not caring enough about one's craft" to not have the desire to reinvent oneself.  The vast majority of people, even people who are recognized as being at the top of their game in what they do, never do that.  One just does not have to reinvent themselves to be considered incredible at what they do.

Indeed. I go back to why we hold MP specifically up to this standard. I don't see anyone complaining about JMX not changing his style or upping his game in a long time, or LaBrie, or Petrucci or even Ruddess. The only person we can point to is MM and I don't even see any major changes in what he does either. I think a lot of people just assume because he's so INTO the technical stuff that he's advancing his style rather than just maintaining. But for some reason only MP gets ripped apart for it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on June 23, 2020, 10:16:30 AM
I gotta be honest, I can' help thinking the unfair standard MP is held to is - for a quite considerable amount - a function of 20 years of extreme love and worship ended with a heartbreak in 2010 (and occasionally less than pretty aftermath).

Something along the lines of ... you lethally disappointed me, now I'm uncosciously raising the bar for you so high that whatever you do, you will stay a disappointment forever in my eyes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 23, 2020, 10:27:19 AM
I gotta be honest, I can' help thinking the unfair standard MP is held to is - for a quite considerable amount - a function of 20 years of extreme love and worship ended with a heartbreak in 2010 (and occasionally less than pretty aftermath).

Something along the lines of ... you lethally disappointed me, now I'm uncosciously raising the bar for you so high that whatever you do, you will stay a disappointment forever in my eyes.

Sadly, that sounds more like an issue and problem with/for the "fans" than it does for MP. If those "fans" are the ones getting upset for something Mike isn't even doing, then it's really on them to deal with how they feel, and really shouldn't be taking it out on Mike because of it. It sucks that he gets all of their hate for something he can't fix or deal with, but every fanbase has those kinds of followers.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 23, 2020, 11:12:56 AM


Indeed. I go back to why we hold MP specifically up to this standard. I don't see anyone complaining about JMX not changing his style or upping his game in a long time, or LaBrie, or Petrucci or even Ruddess.

I've heard a lot of people talk about being disappointed JMX doesn't do more with his bass but he is also happy to take a backseat and doesn't put himself out there as much so it doesn't come up as much.

With JLB, the voice is different from any other instrument so it's not a fair comparison although he got significant praise for upping his game post-2002.

Petrucci changes things up but has more natural opportunity to, ya know, with all the different frets and strings.

All I can speak to with JR is that I praise him when he holds back as opposed to pushing the envelope.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 23, 2020, 11:37:34 AM
And with singers, I think it is a different issue.  I think it is far more comment and, sometimes, more necessary for singers to somewhat reinvent themselves if they have longevity in their careers--at least, singers in some genres that sing very technical or difficult material, or who push the envelope in some manner.  Age more noticeably takes a toll on singers, so they sometimes need to adapt and find new (or better) ways to sing in order to maintain a high level of performance. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2020, 11:41:48 AM
I think MP being in many bands plays a role on people asking him to change it up, because you hear his style across so many different bands.  I don't really have an issue with it, I kind of like it actually.  Like you just know who's behind the kit from listening because he has his own style.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2020, 12:09:55 PM
Indeed. I go back to why we hold MP specifically up to this standard. I don't see anyone complaining about JMX not changing his style or upping his game in a long time, or LaBrie, or Petrucci or even Ruddess. The only person we can point to is MM and I don't even see any major changes in what he does either. I think a lot of people just assume because he's so INTO the technical stuff that he's advancing his style rather than just maintaining. But for some reason only MP gets ripped apart for it.

Maintaining it isn't a bad thing. That's the point of JM, JR, MM and JP all practicing non stop the way they do. They give near spot on performances are are able to 'maintain' their talent level. Most of the time note for note. MP does not. He's still incredibly talented and top class but even back in his last few DT years he took a lot of holidays on his drum parts compared to the studio versions. Now, I get that the live experience is one thing.....and MP is an incredible entertainer....but, if there is a section of double bass or interesting fills or what not that sounds awesome then when played live it's just kind of ho hummed through....which he did a lot of.....it's just lazy. Go listen to his 50th birthday songs with Haken. The Scenes stuff he's playing he takes holiday after holiday. Still sounds good....but, for a drummer of his stature and lore I'd expect spot on playing. There is an expectation there when your considered one of the worlds best drummers to 'prove' and live up to it. I know he's at the point in his career where he can bask in his accomplishments but for me....when your peers who are equally as great are still grinding away to maintain and improve....there shouldn't be surprise when criticism follows when you aren't.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 23, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
Indeed. I go back to why we hold MP specifically up to this standard. I don't see anyone complaining about JMX not changing his style or upping his game in a long time, or LaBrie, or Petrucci or even Ruddess. The only person we can point to is MM and I don't even see any major changes in what he does either. I think a lot of people just assume because he's so INTO the technical stuff that he's advancing his style rather than just maintaining. But for some reason only MP gets ripped apart for it.

Maintaining it isn't a bad thing. That's the point of JM, JR, MM and JP all practicing non stop the way they do. They give near spot on performances are are able to 'maintain' their talent level. Most of the time note for note. MP does not. He's still incredibly talented and top class but even back in his last few DT years he took a lot of holidays on his drum parts compared to the studio versions. Now, I get that the live experience is one thing.....and MP is an incredible entertainer....but, if there is a section of double bass or interesting fills or what not that sounds awesome then when played live it's just kind of ho hummed through....which he did a lot of.....it's just lazy. Go listen to his 50th birthday songs with Haken. The Scenes stuff he's playing he takes holiday after holiday. Still sounds good....but, for a drummer of his stature and lore I'd expect spot on playing. There is an expectation there when your considered one of the worlds best drummers to 'prove' and live up to it. I know he's at the point in his career where he can bask in his accomplishments but for me....when your peers who are equally as great are still grinding away to maintain and improve....there shouldn't be surprise when criticism follows when you aren't.

He also does the majority of backing vocals for all of the different bands that he's in. I can say from experience that one of the most difficult things to do is play and sing at the same time. Usually one of the two has to be simplified and any musician who has played live music long enough can tell you that the vocals being correct are more important than the instrumentation, so they simplify what they're playing to focus on what they're singing. James Hetfield does it too and he's often praised as the greatest rhythm guitarist of all time as well as being the only guy in Metallica who still nails his parts every night. Having seen Mike Portnoy live three times now, with two of those shows featuring Dream Theater music, I can say that when he wasn't singing, he played almost exactly to the record, or if he did change something, usually a fill, it was still technical and was just changed for the sake of variety. However when it came time to sing, his parts got simpler. This isn't a coincidence. I mean the Twelve Step Suite shows closed with Finally Free and he nailed the ending when I saw the NYC show, so I know it's not deteriorating skills or laziness on his end. To my eyes and ears, it's just a seasoned professional musician making a conscious decision to slightly simplify his playing while he's singing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 23, 2020, 01:05:34 PM
I'm sort of with the Count on this (I was at that same show, so...) and when I watch the vids of The Neal Morse Band (both the official stuff and the snippets from the docs) as well as seeing them live, they are LOCKED IN.   I think that it's fair if someone considers that more important than the note-for-note of the record.   I know when I saw the Similitude show, I didn't have each drum part memorized (still don't), but there were a couple moments in that show when he and Randy and Neal in particular were as tight as a drum, and honestly, at that point, I didn't care about whether he was note-perfect, because he was PRESENT, he wasn't phoning it in, he was reading his bandmates (or they were reading him) and it was synched up.  I got goose bumps on a couple of those moments.  THAT'S why he's on my drumming Mt. Rushmore, not because he can do 78 paradiddles per second with autonomous 32nd notes on the left toe and synchpated 9/8 time on his ball sack.

(Trying to lighten the mood with some humor, not be condescendingly dismissive.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2020, 01:12:20 PM
Pretty sure I've stated time and time again that MP's a truly talented showman.....incredible to watch live....and one of the best drummers alive today. I'm not disputing his shows and he aren't fun to watch and attend. Any and every chance I get to see him live I go see him live.

You may recall those live shows as him nailing his parts....that's fine. But there are countless youtube videos of those shows where it's pretty easily heard that he's altered the parts from their original beats/fills etc. Still sounds fine.....good show(s).....that's not what my point is.

My point is he's comfortable with doing that....ok. But, he's going to face criticism in the wake of that choice when his peers are still practicing and improving and able to maintain themselves 'better'. That's all.

The (2) TNMB concerts I've seen live were incredible! MP was incredible....I'm not arguing he can't perform. It's just we're watching a late career Nolan Ryan striking guys out with sliders in the dirt rather than early career Nolan Ryan who just pumped fastballs by you without a care in the world. Still the same incredible pitcher.....just different approaches.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on June 23, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
I have said on more than one occasion:

MP inspired me to pick up my drum sticks.

MM inspired me to put them back down.
that's sad. I personally find MM to be very inspiring, (but part of the reason for that is that I got to hear MM play on Fire Garden at age 6), Porty not so much. To each their own though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 23, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
Pretty sure I've stated time and time again that MP's a truly talented showman.....incredible to watch live....and one of the best drummers alive today. I'm not disputing his shows and he aren't fun to watch and attend. Any and every chance I get to see him live I go see him live.

You may recall those live shows as him nailing his parts....that's fine. But there are countless youtube videos of those shows where it's pretty easily heard that he's altered the parts from their original beats/fills etc. Still sounds fine.....good show(s).....that's not what my point is.

My point is he's comfortable with doing that....ok. But, he's going to face criticism in the wake of that choice when his peers are still practicing and improving and able to maintain themselves 'better'. That's all.

The (2) TNMB concerts I've seen live were incredible! MP was incredible....I'm not arguing he can't perform. It's just we're watching a late career Nolan Ryan striking guys out with sliders in the dirt rather than early career Nolan Ryan who just pumped fastballs by you without a care in the world. Still the same incredible pitcher.....just different approaches.

I totally get that. And some of it might be a difference in values.

DT might be a band that very much values playing as close to the record as humanly possible. While MP might be someone who values playing the spirit of the record and changing things up. I get the feeling from MP that playing identical to the record isn't terribly important to him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on June 23, 2020, 01:58:50 PM
Pretty sure I've stated time and time again that MP's a truly talented showman.....incredible to watch live....and one of the best drummers alive today. I'm not disputing his shows and he aren't fun to watch and attend. Any and every chance I get to see him live I go see him live.

You may recall those live shows as him nailing his parts....that's fine. But there are countless youtube videos of those shows where it's pretty easily heard that he's altered the parts from their original beats/fills etc. Still sounds fine.....good show(s).....that's not what my point is.

My point is he's comfortable with doing that....ok. But, he's going to face criticism in the wake of that choice when his peers are still practicing and improving and able to maintain themselves 'better'. That's all.

The (2) TNMB concerts I've seen live were incredible! MP was incredible....I'm not arguing he can't perform. It's just we're watching a late career Nolan Ryan striking guys out with sliders in the dirt rather than early career Nolan Ryan who just pumped fastballs by you without a care in the world. Still the same incredible pitcher.....just different approaches.

I might quibble a bit over some of the details of your post, but let's just go with it for argument's sake.  All that being the case, that still isn't grounds to criticize or deem him lazy, etc.  The Nolan Ryan analogy isn't too far off (although I think it would be a better analogy to go with something more like:  Instead of throwing 40 fastballs a game, he's throwing 25, to make sure that the ones he throws count). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2020, 02:53:46 PM
deem him lazy

Yeah.....that's not a fair statement on my part. Wrong word to describe they way I see or feel about it. It's more along the lines of 'status quo' or uninspired. His recent output just seems too simple for a man of his talent. Even the SOA output is 'supposed' to be proggy or whatever and it's just unimaginative to me. Anyway......
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 23, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
I totally get that. And some of it might be a difference in values.

DT might be a band that very much values playing as close to the record as humanly possible. While MP might be someone who values playing the spirit of the record and changing things up. I get the feeling from MP that playing identical to the record isn't terribly important to him.

I think you're on to something. My preference is to hear what they've released.....that song.....so when I hear The Glass Prison played I expect the cool bass drum beats and what not.....not an altered version that is 'close enough'.

With MP stating in the past that he typically doesn't spend too much time figuring out what he's going to lay down for the album tracks it wouldn't surprise me that he isn't really hitting the songs note for note. He has a certain style and flair and it works....he's an incredible showman.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on June 23, 2020, 03:03:46 PM
Judging him as lazy is the wrong way to approach the issue, in my view. But criticizing him is entirely thinkable. MP is not beyond criticism.

And as I mentioned before, some of the criticisms are entirely fair.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 23, 2020, 05:26:24 PM
I think it is also fair to point out that he hasn't been just a drummer for a long time now.  We can critique his singing, or his producing, or whatever, till the cows come home, but the reality is that he has been wearing many different hats for a lot of years now, and that is clearly far more important to him than improving his drumming. 

Neal Morse joked in an interview last year I think that Portnoy's mind is a steel trap, that once he has played a song, he knows it and it's never getting out.  He can not play a song for years and then just bust it out on a whim and still pretty much know it.  And I think Portnoy even joked in the same interview that he he less notes to remember than, say, a guitar or keyboard player, but my guess is that translates to his on-the-spot playing as well when recording a new album.  He can just sit down and play and get a take that is more than good enough to go on record (even if a few bits here and there need to be worked on a bit more later). 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on June 23, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
I think it is also fair to point out that he hasn't been just a drummer for a long time now.  We can critique his singing, or his producing, or whatever, till the cows come home, but the reality is that he has been wearing many different hats for a lot of years now, and that is clearly far more important to him than improving his drumming. 

I think that's it really. He won all the important drummer awards in the late 90s and early 00s. He could have just kept improving his chops as a drummer, but I think he preferred his career on tour and as a producer, manager, and spokesman. He's still a solid drummer, but guys who practice 4-5 hours a day don't have time to do things like orchestrate Prog Nation at Sea and a dozen or so side-projects. And frankly despite all he does extra, his approach toward his instrument does not really seem all that different than any of the players he plays with or any of the current DT lineup.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 23, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
I think you're on to something. My preference is to hear what they've released.....that song.....so when I hear The Glass Prison played I expect the cool bass drum beats and what not.....not an altered version that is 'close enough'.

With MP stating in the past that he typically doesn't spend too much time figuring out what he's going to lay down for the album tracks it wouldn't surprise me that he isn't really hitting the songs note for note. He has a certain style and flair and it works....he's an incredible showman.
This is the key right here - you're expecting something from MP that he doesn't do: play the parts exactly as they are on the album. In fact, I know he's said as much repeatedly in interviews long before he left DT. He does not meticulously work out drums parts over a long period of time and then try to play them exactly the same at each show - that's Neil Peart, not MP. MP has always been a spontaneous drummer and I remember him even joking in an interview that he will purposefully change up certain drums parts just to throw off the fans who are air-drumming along (all meant in good fun). I think if you keep this in mind whenever you go see him live, you'll probably enjoy his performance more.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 24, 2020, 03:06:44 PM
3rd EPISODE  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hop3Kjm7DkM&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 24, 2020, 03:08:51 PM
3rd EPISODE  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hop3Kjm7DkM&feature=youtu.be

Just finished watching this. He sounded like me trying to settle on a favorite Genesis album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on June 24, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Not too shocking that Mike would be into The Elder. This series is great and I'd love to hear him just talk about music even after episode 8 is done. He should start a youtube series and just discuss his entire music collection with the occasional guest.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on June 24, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
I wasn't too surprised to see no Judas Priest (classic metal) or Kansas (classic prog), since he never really talked either up a ton, but to see no Iron Maiden was pretty surprising, although I am sure he has a crap load of them in his older collection to which he has alluded.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on June 24, 2020, 07:09:45 PM
Couldn’t help but notice he went the objective vs subjective route, stating one of the albums was their masterpiece but not his favorite.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 24, 2020, 07:49:38 PM
great to see THUD in his collection, and he mentioned what I suspected many years ago about if Kevin Gilbert not died, Mike and him and likely Neal Morse would have been in a band like Transatlantic. It's all what if's, but one can only imagine.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on June 24, 2020, 09:20:51 PM
great to see THUD in his collection, and he mentioned what I suspected many years ago about if Kevin Gilbert not died, Mike and him and likely Neal Morse would have been in a band like Transatlantic. It's all what if's, but one can only imagine.

Kevin was originally supposed to produce FII, right?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 24, 2020, 10:02:43 PM
great to see THUD in his collection, and he mentioned what I suspected many years ago about if Kevin Gilbert not died, Mike and him and likely Neal Morse would have been in a band like Transatlantic. It's all what if's, but one can only imagine.

Kevin was originally supposed to produce FII, right?

as Mike said in the video, he was in contact with Kevin to produce the record they were making, and he likely would have.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2020, 10:53:40 AM
Other than a few details (Hotter Than Hell not Dressed To Kill, Ozzy not Motorhead, and I didn't see the Love Gun tour) I could have written that entire Kiss segment. 

(By the way, the first album cover was intended to be an homage to "With The Beatles").
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on June 25, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
I was also shocked that there wasn't a single Iron Maiden album in the new vinyl collection. They've pretty much released everything on LP over the last ten years.

Nice to see Ghost getting a shout out from MP, even though he's not crazy about the band overall. Also, I enjoyed his rambling regarding Kiss, Genesis and King Crimson. These videos are really fun.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on June 25, 2020, 12:34:35 PM
Couldn’t help but notice he went the objective vs subjective route, stating one of the albums was their masterpiece but not his favorite.

That's the WildRanger influence.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2020, 01:19:44 PM
The "influence", or is he really "WildRanger"?!?!?! 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on June 25, 2020, 03:17:55 PM
The "influence", or is he really "WildRanger"?!?!?!

MP is WildRanger?!

Ahhh...now it all makes sense.

 :|
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on June 27, 2020, 09:41:16 AM
Not too shocking that Mike would be into The Elder. This series is great and I'd love to hear him just talk about music even after episode 8 is done. He should start a youtube series and just discuss his entire music collection with the occasional guest.

I sure wouldn't mind something like this.   I've been hooked on Fish's weekly show for months now and now Rothery is starting his own show next week.   Don't know how much revenue this kind of thing generates, but in my case these guys are building quite a bit of good will. I don't follow these guys on social media, but taking the time to do these "talks" means a lot more to me as a fan.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on June 27, 2020, 04:48:02 PM
I was also shocked that there wasn't a single Iron Maiden album in the new vinyl collection. They've pretty much released everything on LP over the last ten years.

True. It also sounds dreadful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: tofee35 on June 29, 2020, 03:30:57 AM
Since this is a MP Appreciation topic, I simply would like to say how much I have appreciated his playing, dedication to his craft(s) and even more so, his dedication to his family. As a fairly new father, I’ve been inspired by him over the past few years since Max and Melody have gotten older. It’s clear how close he is with his kids and wife, and the involvement his has in their lives. That must be incredibly difficult considering his job. I find parenting difficult working a 9 to 5. Equal praise should go to his wife for essentially leaving music behind to raise the kids and support MP. Lately, I find myself more impressed with people’s decisions in life over their talents and abilities. But, I will say I’ve always been a huge fan of his drumming style, drum sound and the other ways he contributes to the bands he has been in.

-Tof
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on July 01, 2020, 10:01:59 AM
Looks like MP is playing drums on the new JP solo album, that's pretty cool
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Learning2Live on July 01, 2020, 10:16:18 AM
So glad to see them working together again. I would have hated to see the way MP left and all of the drama that followed (self-inflicted, I know...) with that being the last memory of the 2 of them working together after all of the wonderful music the 2 of them made over the years. This is enough 'closure' for me for the whole MP/DT split. Anything more at this point is just the cherry on the top. Thrilled to see this news just on a personal level for the 2 of them let alone professionally.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on July 05, 2020, 11:42:23 AM
for those who don't follow him on Instagram, he posted a short New Vinyl clip
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCM0oUljvJ-/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Learning2Live on July 07, 2020, 05:11:24 PM
MP posted a story about the making of the I&W album on its 28th birthday today, and noticed that he tagged JLB in it as well. That has to be the first thing in YEARS (if anything) since the DT split where I've seen him include JLB publicly in a nice/cordial way. Maybe there are other examples out there that I've missed, but this feels like the first thing he's done like this in a long time.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1 (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on July 07, 2020, 05:31:17 PM
Great message from MP. I love that era of DT history and I can't imagine being in a band for 7 years without any kind of real success...that's an insane amount of dedication they all had.

I'm wondering if he's slowly building the bridge towards reconciling with James in hopes of a future return to the band. I don't want MM to leave by any means, but something as small as this could be the beginning of mending that relationship.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 07, 2020, 05:46:18 PM
MP posted a story about the making of the I&W album on its 28th birthday today, and noticed that he tagged JLB in it as well. That has to be the first thing in YEARS (if anything) since the DT split where I've seen him include JLB publicly in a nice/cordial way. Maybe there are other examples out there that I've missed, but this feels like the first thing he's done like this in a long time.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1 (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1)

In one of the videos he's posting about his viny discography, he also mentioned JLB and did it cordially. But, yes, it was good to read him that way.

He's paving thee way to return to DT LOL kidding kidding.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 07, 2020, 09:36:28 PM
MP posted a story about the making of the I&W album on its 28th birthday today, and noticed that he tagged JLB in it as well. That has to be the first thing in YEARS (if anything) since the DT split where I've seen him include JLB publicly in a nice/cordial way. Maybe there are other examples out there that I've missed, but this feels like the first thing he's done like this in a long time.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1 (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1)

In one of the videos he's posting about his viny discography, he also mentioned JLB and did it cordially. But, yes, it was good to read him that way.

He's paving thee way to return to DT LOL kidding kidding.

Kind of sad that Mike simply referring to James by name and not "the vocalist" or "the canadian" is newsworthy but alas, that how bad things have been up to this point. He's got a long way to go to make up for the garbage he was spewing a few years back but even just these last few years not saying anything has been a huge improvement. Not that I try to let stupid drama get in the way of my enjoyment of music, but I bet my enjoyment of SOA's MMXX had a bit to do with two of the members finally not acting like they had a chip on their shoulder and just seemed like they enjoyed performing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on July 08, 2020, 12:58:51 AM
Kind of sad that Mike simply referring to James by name and not "the vocalist" or "the canadian" is newsworthy but alas, that how bad things have been up to this point.

Yeah, I was scrolling through his post and noticed the line "we were at our third singer" and I feared for a moment that it was the way he labeled James, then I reread with more attention and saw that he indeed mentioned him by name.

Well, you can't tell anyway the history of Images and Words without talking about the godsend that was James at that time!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on July 08, 2020, 02:34:53 AM
Kind of sad that Mike simply referring to James by name and not "the vocalist" or "the canadian" is newsworthy but alas, that how bad things have been up to this point.

Yeah, I was scrolling through his post and noticed the line "we were at our third singer" and I feared for a moment that it was the way he labeled James, then I reread with more attention and saw that he indeed mentioned him by name.

Well, you can't tell anyway the history of Images and Words without talking about the godsend that was James at that time!
yes, JP was and is more open to seeing James' "arrival" (as it were) as a "blessed reward" or something like that. Tells you a lot IMHO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on July 08, 2020, 10:49:27 AM
MP posted a story about the making of the I&W album on its 28th birthday today, and noticed that he tagged JLB in it as well. That has to be the first thing in YEARS (if anything) since the DT split where I've seen him include JLB publicly in a nice/cordial way. Maybe there are other examples out there that I've missed, but this feels like the first thing he's done like this in a long time.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1 (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWvhnjDnhy/?igshid=1imrqvwg7lup1)

I found this comment interesting:  "We started writing songs for it in 1988/1989 when Charlie Dominici was still in the band (even performing Live versions of Metropolis and To Live Forever with him). . . ."

According to the tourography section at MP's website (and assuming its accuracy, which I always have), Majesty/DT played 12 shows with Charlie as the lead singer (the first being 9/3/88, and the last being ).  TLF showed up in several of the shows, but Metropolis only showed up in the set list for the last show with Charlie officially in the band (10/14/89).  Can this be found online anywhere?  I'd be quite interested to hear it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 08, 2020, 11:24:29 AM
Can this be found online anywhere?  I'd be quite interested to hear it.
https://youtu.be/YZ3t3_Zrjig?t=790

And here's the performance of Metropolis for the very last time with CD, one month later. They had already kicked him out of the band when Marillion came calling and wanted DT to open for them. So they asked him to come back to perform with them. This performance is from that show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3_fh7E3xdg
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on July 08, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
Who's that filling in for Myung at the Bay Shore show?    :) :)   I don't think I've ever seen him move that much in a SHOW let alone one song.  :)

I'm assuming that's debris on the stage.  Like a war zone.  Those were the days; I've been to Toad's in New Haven where shows were like that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on July 08, 2020, 03:40:08 PM
Thanks to Scotty for the links.  I'll watch later.

Who's that filling in for Myung at the Bay Shore show?    :) :)   I don't think I've ever seen him move that much in a SHOW let alone one song.  :)

Do you have the Live in Tokyo DVD and, if so, have you watched it with the band commentary track?  The band commentary was made sometime in the first half of the 2000s, so you had Jordan commenting on performances that he wasn't part of, and I recall him simply marveling about how much JM was bouncing around.  Three of the four 1992/93 shows I saw were on really small stages, so I don't remember much of anything.  For the fourth show, since I had nothing to compare it to, any significant moving around would not have stood out, but I certainly didn't mistake JM for Juan Croucier.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on July 08, 2020, 04:23:33 PM
The first time I saw DT, I had two thoughts.

1. The drummer is amazing
2. The bass player is a madman
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on July 08, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
The first time I saw DT, I had two thoughts.

1. The drummer is amazing
2. The bass player is a madman

I wonder what my thoughts would have been if I hadn't been listening for a couple years before my first DT show.  I think MP would definitely have stuck out though and likely JP.  I didn't see JM when you did to see him in his energetic youth.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on July 08, 2020, 04:36:28 PM
My first thoughts the first time I saw DT (Awaken the World Tour):

1. Who the fock is the bloke on keyboards?
2. Their eys glimmer when they successfully execute intricate passages, they're gonna nerd out about it in the bus later instead of partaking in blow and hookers, they're like us!
3. Mike literally eats the stage lights.
4. James has a face the size of a telly, no wonder it resonates so powerfully.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on July 08, 2020, 04:59:20 PM
Can this be found online anywhere?  I'd be quite interested to hear it.
https://youtu.be/YZ3t3_Zrjig?t=790

And here's the performance of Metropolis for the very last time with CD, one month later. They had already kicked him out of the band when Marillion came calling and wanted DT to open for them. So they asked him to come back to perform with them. This performance is from that show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3_fh7E3xdg

I've only watched Metropolis at the Bay Shore so far.  My observations:

1. REALLY weird to see JP singing the first two lines of the "I was told there's a miracle" section.
2. Charlie really struggled on the last couple lines of that same section.
3. REALLY weird to see JM playing a 4-string bass.
4. This would be high on my list of destinations if I had a time machine.


The first time I saw DT, I had two thoughts.

1. The drummer is amazing
2. The bass player is a madman

My first DT show was Nov. 12, 1992, and I was well familiar with I&W, so my thoughts included:

1. JP was really cool looking, as was his habit of locking into a stare for several seconds at a time.
2. I was amazed at all the stuff that JM was playing that I had not heard on the album.
3. The songs they played from WDADU (The Ytse Jam and The Killing Hand), which I wasn't yet familiar with, were really cool.  I went out and found WDADU not long afterwards.
4. MP's drum solo was so obviously influenced by Neil Peart that it sounded a bit like a ripoff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 08, 2020, 11:31:06 PM


I've only watched Metropolis at the Bay Shore so far.  My observations:

1. REALLY weird to see JP singing the first two lines of the "I was told there's a miracle" section.


Whoa! I never knew he did that. I wonder why.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2020, 08:36:29 AM
The first time I saw DT, I had two thoughts.

1. The drummer is amazing
2. The bass player is a madman

I wonder what my thoughts would have been if I hadn't been listening for a couple years before my first DT show.  I think MP would definitely have stuck out though and likely JP.  I didn't see JM when you did to see him in his energetic youth.

See, that's me.  I got into the band in 1992, with the release of Images and Words.  But I traveled a lot for work, moved around a lot, and wasn't on the internet all that much, so by hook and by crook,  I didn't get to see them until the tour with Dweezil Zappa and Big Elf (was that Prog Nation?).   

That's actually a big regret of mine, because I grew up in south Connecticut, and spent a TON of time at Toad's Place, a place they played a lot.  It irks me that I didn't see any of those early shows.   Huge fail.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on July 09, 2020, 09:02:52 AM
Well, I wasn't that far off.  I discovered them during the Octavarium era but didn't get to see them until the Systematic Chaos tour.  But I know that DT had played so many shows local to me before that which I totally would have loved to have seen if only I had known about them earlier. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on July 09, 2020, 11:00:32 AM


I've only watched Metropolis at the Bay Shore so far.  My observations:

1. REALLY weird to see JP singing the first two lines of the "I was told there's a miracle" section.


Whoa! I never knew he did that. I wonder why.

My guess is that they were going for some sort of call and response thing, but it would have made more sense to go back and forth, with JP doing the first and third lines and CD doing 2 and 4.


I got into the band in 1992, with the release of Images and Words.  But I traveled a lot for work, moved around a lot, and wasn't on the internet all that much, so by hook and by crook,  I didn't get to see them until the tour with Dweezil Zappa and Big Elf (was that Prog Nation?).   

That's actually a big regret of mine, because I grew up in south Connecticut, and spent a TON of time at Toad's Place, a place they played a lot.  It irks me that I didn't see any of those early shows.   Huge fail.

I'm surprised to read that!  I bought my first computer in June or July 1993, by which time I'd seen DT four times, and as I type this, I'm wondering how I found out about a couple of those shows.  When I bought the computer, I got on *Prodigy and something called The Sierra Network.  The latter was mostly a gaming service, but I ended up acquiring a tape of the 3/4/93 NYC show through someone on *Prodigy.  I subsequently bought the CD through YJ Records, but I think I still have the cassette from 1993.  That early version of A Change of Seasons blew me away.

My huge fail in terms of DT shows was my gap between 12/8/94 and 9/19/04.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 09, 2020, 07:26:42 PM


I've only watched Metropolis at the Bay Shore so far.  My observations:

1. REALLY weird to see JP singing the first two lines of the "I was told there's a miracle" section.


Whoa! I never knew he did that. I wonder why.

My guess is that they were going for some sort of call and response thing, but it would have made more sense to go back and forth, with JP doing the first and third lines and CD doing 2 and 4.



Yeah.

I could also see it being that Charlie was struggling a bit with how wordy it was an how much he was going to have to exert for the "as a child" part so maybe John was like, "What if I do two lines? Does that free up enough of those Dominici lungs?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
Who's that filling in for Myung at the Bay Shore show?    :) :)   I don't think I've ever seen him move that much in a SHOW let alone one song.  :)

I'm assuming that's debris on the stage.  Like a war zone.  Those were the days; I've been to Toad's in New Haven where shows were like that.

Very reminiscent of The Ritz show a month later. Got chills watching Bay Shore.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on July 11, 2020, 01:48:25 PM
The first time I saw DT, I had two thoughts.

1. The drummer is amazing
2. The bass player is a madman

I had some thoughts too.

I can't believe I'm seeing this band live, I thought they were done.
They're even better live than on the record.
I hope I still have enough energy for Marillion.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on July 11, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
According to MP’s Facebook post, he’s playing drums on this new track by ... Enuff Z’nuff?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxqy6Y3NKg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3zZf3zxyFHLp5jqyuDl2ifENriAWLilrmQliGTTpLO40eH7PWp2KEpWSM

Mike clarified in the comments that Chip Z’Nuff is married to his cousin. Small world!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4401291186555156&id=116713035013014&preview_rid=4401673283183613
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 12, 2020, 12:09:14 AM
According to MP’s Facebook post, he’s playing drums on this new track by ... Enuff Z’nuff?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxqy6Y3NKg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3zZf3zxyFHLp5jqyuDl2ifENriAWLilrmQliGTTpLO40eH7PWp2KEpWSM

Mike clarified in the comments that Chip Z’Nuff is married to his cousin. Small world!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4401291186555156&id=116713035013014&preview_rid=4401673283183613

I saw Alice Cooper at a racetrack outside of Chicago in 2000. The whole thing was a mess. It rained all day, everyone was cold, there wasn't any place to sit or get out of the rain, all they had to eat were hot dogs, and we all thought Alice was going to cancel. Enuff Znuff was opening along with another opening band. The show was delayed and delayed and then they started tearing opening band equipment down and setting up Enuff Znuff stuff. Then it looked like they were tearing down Znuff's equipment. Finally a radio guy comes out and gets people hyped for Alice, saying not to worry, that Alice is coming on no matter what, just a little delay. Finally he says, "but I'm sorry to inform you guys that Enuff Znuff will not be playing tonight" and the crowd erupts in cheers and applause. The guy keeps apologizing but people are ecstatic NOT to be seeing Enuff Znuff.

To this day I've never heard their stuff but I know on that cold fall day, I did not want to hear anything but Alice, who it should be noted came on and played one of the best shows I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on July 12, 2020, 08:10:20 AM
I only know the song Fly High Michelle, which is fine for what it is. I knew they were still somewhat active but never had any reason to link them to MP before yesterday!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on July 13, 2020, 07:41:51 AM
I actually dig Enuff Z'nuff.  Really good songwriters; the problem for them is, why go for a band that sounds like Cheap Trick and the Beatles when you can go for Cheap Trick and the Beatles?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 23, 2020, 11:15:51 AM
That keyboard player in the video has a striking resemblance to JLB at certain angles. I can't un-see it now.
 Great job on the song, MP's daughter sings quite well.  :tup
I just watched it for the first time.  I specifically came here to see if I was crazy or not.  I could've swore someone photoshopped JLB's face over the keyboard players face!  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on July 29, 2020, 05:56:58 PM
Finally got to watch the 4th new vinyl installment. I really like these and the Marillion "discussion" was cool (Especially since Fish mentioned Mike in his latest Fish On Friday.) but he pretty much punted on them after Brave as far as the discussion went.  Maybe he thought he would bore people since it Marillion (I think) was the biggest section so far other than Dream Theater. Seems close.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on July 30, 2020, 08:50:25 AM
What did Fish say about Mike?   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on July 30, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
Finally got to watch the 4th new vinyl installment. I really like these and the Marillion "discussion" was cool (Especially since Fish mentioned Mike in his latest Fish On Friday.) but he pretty much punted on them after Brave as far as the discussion went.  Maybe he thought he would bore people since it Marillion (I think) was the biggest section so far other than Dream Theater. Seems close.

I thought this was really cool too. I think he mostly didn’t want to bore people by going through 15 albums or whatever, but it looks like he has them all or most of the studio albums at least, including the Royal Albert Hall show that he talked about.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on August 01, 2020, 09:17:25 AM
What did Fish say about Mike?

Can't recall the exact context now but all he did was say his name in passing which was completely unexpected.  I think it was the July 24 episode. I thought it was cool that he mentioned him. Don't know the extent of the relationship if there is one. I know they've played some of the same festivals and I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of them together.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on August 01, 2020, 09:30:49 AM
Finally got to watch the 4th new vinyl installment. I really like these and the Marillion "discussion" was cool (Especially since Fish mentioned Mike in his latest Fish On Friday.) but he pretty much punted on them after Brave as far as the discussion went.  Maybe he thought he would bore people since it Marillion (I think) was the biggest section so far other than Dream Theater. Seems close.

I thought this was really cool too. I think he mostly didn’t want to bore people by going through 15 albums or whatever, but it looks like he has them all or most of the studio albums at least, including the Royal Albert Hall show that he talked about.

Maybe. But the idea of watching these videos is to hear his thoughts/opinion/stories about the albums since he's more qualified than many to be doing it. Maybe I'm just easily amused when he talks about music so while I would never be bored with it, but maybe someone else would.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 01, 2020, 11:12:46 AM
Finally got to watch the 4th new vinyl installment. I really like these and the Marillion "discussion" was cool (Especially since Fish mentioned Mike in his latest Fish On Friday.) but he pretty much punted on them after Brave as far as the discussion went.  Maybe he thought he would bore people since it Marillion (I think) was the biggest section so far other than Dream Theater. Seems close.

I thought this was really cool too. I think he mostly didn’t want to bore people by going through 15 albums or whatever, but it looks like he has them all or most of the studio albums at least, including the Royal Albert Hall show that he talked about.

Maybe. But the idea of watching these videos is to hear his thoughts/opinion/stories about the albums since he's more qualified than many to be doing it. Maybe I'm just easily amused when he talks about music so while I would never be bored with it, but maybe someone else would.
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Oh, I would have watched him go though and give his thoughts track by track. But if you don’t know Marillion I could see it getting full (I tend to skip ahead when he’s talking about bands I don’t care for). Still, it was a nice plug for the band and maybe a few people who don’t know the band didn’t do what a I might have in their situation. :-)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on August 07, 2020, 09:02:22 PM
Finally got to watch the 4th new vinyl installment. I really like these and the Marillion "discussion" was cool (Especially since Fish mentioned Mike in his latest Fish On Friday.) but he pretty much punted on them after Brave as far as the discussion went.  Maybe he thought he would bore people since it Marillion (I think) was the biggest section so far other than Dream Theater. Seems close.

I thought this was really cool too. I think he mostly didn’t want to bore people by going through 15 albums or whatever, but it looks like he has them all or most of the studio albums at least, including the Royal Albert Hall show that he talked about.

Maybe. But the idea of watching these videos is to hear his thoughts/opinion/stories about the albums since he's more qualified than many to be doing it. Maybe I'm just easily amused when he talks about music so while I would never be bored with it, but maybe someone else would.

Oh, I would have watched him go though and give his thoughts track by track. But if you don’t know Marillion I could see it getting full (I tend to skip ahead when he’s talking about bands I don’t care for). Still, it was a nice plug for the band and maybe a few people who don’t know the band didn’t do what a I might have in their situation. :-)

I suppose it's easy to skip over things like that but I've always liked the enthusiasm he brings when talking about music and aside from most metal we have similar musical tastes although he tends not to be into much jazz-fusion, jazz or big band. I just love the appreciation he brings to it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Walrus on August 11, 2020, 08:57:38 AM
Late on the discussion in this thread. Just came across the BPMD album. Totally forgot this thing existed, didn't even realize it came out back in June. I don't like Bobby's voice. But it's kinda fun. *shrug* Don't think I'll ever go back to this, though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 11, 2020, 11:43:30 AM
Late on the discussion in this thread. Just came across the BPMD album. Totally forgot this thing existed, didn't even realize it came out back in June. I don't like Bobby's voice. But it's kinda fun. *shrug* Don't think I'll ever go back to this, though.

I listened to it twice and interviewed the bass player in this project. Don't think I'll go back to it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 11, 2020, 12:02:16 PM
I never went the first time.  Heard one song and can't get past the vocals.
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Post by: cramx3 on August 11, 2020, 12:03:38 PM
I never went the first time.  Heard one song and can't get past the vocals.

Change that to two songs and the same.  Vocals kill it.  If it were original music maybe I'd give it a few more shots, but it's just cover songs and if I can't get past the vocals on a couple tries, it's just not worth the effort. 
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 11, 2020, 01:22:03 PM
The vocals were an interesting thought when I first saw the tracklist. I was all "Blitz?....Blitz, is singing these songs."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 13, 2020, 12:41:34 PM
episode 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYRcGuqPHs&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: ytserush on August 14, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
episode 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYRcGuqPHs&feature=youtu.be

Cool.....Longest one yet.
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Post by: ReaperKK on August 15, 2020, 06:28:56 AM
Just finished it up and it was a great watch like always. It'd be cool if he did more videos on other parts of his collection.
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Post by: Mladen on August 15, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
Those videos are fantastic.  :tup
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Post by: Trav86 on August 15, 2020, 07:23:05 AM
Just finished it up and it was a great watch like always. It'd be cool if he did more videos on other parts of his collection.

I have a feeling he will if the pandemic doesn’t end soon.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on August 31, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILQlgolBIs

I think this is a really good cover of one of my favorite Ozzy songs.

Our boy Porty on drums and Rudy Sarzo on bass.  Don't know any of the other players, but the singer did a good job, and the guitar player resisted the urge to overplay.  Cool to involve Sarzo who, while not having played on the Blizzard album, did play the song live with Ozzy and Randy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2020, 11:39:09 AM
Love that song; is that the one that James wouldn't sing? (Not a dig at James; I just always wondered what his objection to that was; I think he would have killed it). 

Hmmm.  It's good, but...  the vocals don't work for me; Ozzy is a tough gig to play.  This guy is clearly a very good singer; Ozzy is not a great singer, absolutely, but he's a great singer in that he captures what he's going for.  I think those first two solo albums really are brilliant, as much for Ozzy as for Randy.  There's a fragility, a vulnerability about his vocals that he never really got again, and this is almost TOO powerful and confident.   All my opinion of course.  Demmel nails the heavy parts later, but he sounds like he's struggling on the acoustic parts. 

That ending was killer, though; that was worth the price of admission if you ask me.   :)

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 31, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Love that song; is that the one that James wouldn't sing? (Not a dig at James; I just always wondered what his objection to that was; I think he would have killed it). 

Hmmm.  It's good, but...  the vocals don't work for me; Ozzy is a tough gig to play.  This guy is clearly a very good singer; Ozzy is not a great singer, absolutely, but he's a great singer in that he captures what he's going for.  I think those first two solo albums really are brilliant, as much for Ozzy as for Randy.  There's a fragility, a vulnerability about his vocals that he never really got again, and this is almost TOO powerful and confident.   All my opinion of course.  Demmel nails the heavy parts later, but he sounds like he's struggling on the acoustic parts. 

That ending was killer, though; that was worth the price of admission if you ask me.   :)

I actually agree with everything you say. By the end of the song I came around to the vocals though. Still curious as hell as to why James wouldn't sing it.

Wonder why Mike doesn't give more props to Lee Kerslake. One of my top five drummers for sure. The Over the Mountain intro is probably my absolute favorite drum intro/bit of all time. Badass that they included that.
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Post by: pg1067 on August 31, 2020, 04:33:22 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILQlgolBIs

I think this is a really good cover of one of my favorite Ozzy songs.

Our boy Porty on drums and Rudy Sarzo on bass.  Don't know any of the other players, but the singer did a good job, and the guitar player resisted the urge to overplay.  Cool to involve Sarzo who, while not having played on the Blizzard album, did play the song live with Ozzy and Randy.

I hate being the last post before a page break.


Love that song; is that the one that James wouldn't sing? (Not a dig at James; I just always wondered what his objection to that was; I think he would have killed it).

James...Labrie?  Doesn't sound familiar.  Context?


Hmmm.  It's good, but...  the vocals don't work for me; Ozzy is a tough gig to play.  This guy is clearly a very good singer; Ozzy is not a great singer, absolutely, but he's a great singer in that he captures what he's going for.  I think those first two solo albums really are brilliant, as much for Ozzy as for Randy.  There's a fragility, a vulnerability about his vocals that he never really got again, and this is almost TOO powerful and confident.   All my opinion of course.  Demmel nails the heavy parts later, but he sounds like he's struggling on the acoustic parts

I've only listened a couple times.  There's something very, very unique about Ozzy's voice.  It was never "good" in the sense that you'd never teach someone to sing like he did in the 70s and first half of the 80s, but it worked so well.  The guy who sang on this cover was obviously more trained and what not, but you can't match Ozzy's uniqueness, so it's best not to try.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 31, 2020, 09:24:35 PM

James...Labrie?  Doesn't sound familiar.  Context?



On the Official Bootlegs, the Uncovered album which was a compilation of random covers they did had Diary of a Madman and in the liner notes Portnoy said he wanted to do Revelation but James was adamant about NOT doing that one. I don't remember if it was in the liner notes or later in an interview he said that he was surprised James was so adamant because he was usually game for whatever. He never did say why.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on September 01, 2020, 10:41:10 AM

James...Labrie?  Doesn't sound familiar.  Context?



On the Official Bootlegs, the Uncovered album which was a compilation of random covers they did had Diary of a Madman and in the liner notes Portnoy said he wanted to do Revelation but James was adamant about NOT doing that one. I don't remember if it was in the liner notes or later in an interview he said that he was surprised James was so adamant because he was usually game for whatever. He never did say why.

Gotcha.  I forgot that album existed.  I'd have bought it, but I don't think it has ever been in stock since I became aware that YJR existed, so I've never seen the liner notes.
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Post by: El Barto on September 02, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
Love that song; is that the one that James wouldn't sing? (Not a dig at James; I just always wondered what his objection to that was; I think he would have killed it). 

Hmmm.  It's good, but...  the vocals don't work for me; Ozzy is a tough gig to play.  This guy is clearly a very good singer; Ozzy is not a great singer, absolutely, but he's a great singer in that he captures what he's going for.  I think those first two solo albums really are brilliant, as much for Ozzy as for Randy.  There's a fragility, a vulnerability about his vocals that he never really got again, and this is almost TOO powerful and confident.   All my opinion of course.  Demmel nails the heavy parts later, but he sounds like he's struggling on the acoustic parts. 

That ending was killer, though; that was worth the price of admission if you ask me.   :)
That happens a lot with Ozzy. Far more talented singers usually fail to pull off what he did. I noticed that recently with SoA doing Diary, and thinking JSC was the weak link. And it's easy to notice with every live album Sabbath did after Ozzy. The only one that could really pull off Ozzy's vocals was the unsung Ray Gillen.
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Post by: TAC on September 02, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
I always thought Anthrax with John Bush did an awesome Supernaut. Live it kicked ass.
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Post by: Lowdz on September 03, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
Love that song; is that the one that James wouldn't sing? (Not a dig at James; I just always wondered what his objection to that was; I think he would have killed it). 

Hmmm.  It's good, but...  the vocals don't work for me; Ozzy is a tough gig to play.  This guy is clearly a very good singer; Ozzy is not a great singer, absolutely, but he's a great singer in that he captures what he's going for.  I think those first two solo albums really are brilliant, as much for Ozzy as for Randy.  There's a fragility, a vulnerability about his vocals that he never really got again, and this is almost TOO powerful and confident.   All my opinion of course.  Demmel nails the heavy parts later, but he sounds like he's struggling on the acoustic parts. 

That ending was killer, though; that was worth the price of admission if you ask me.   :)
That happens a lot with Ozzy. Far more talented singers usually fail to pull off what he did. I noticed that recently with SoA doing Diary, and thinking JSC was the weak link. And it's easy to notice with every live album Sabbath did after Ozzy. The only one that could really pull off Ozzy's vocals was the unsung Ray Gillen.

Ozzy might not be a great singer, but he’s an awesome Ozzy, and I think that’s the key.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 04, 2020, 07:58:39 AM
Love that song; is that the one that James wouldn't sing? (Not a dig at James; I just always wondered what his objection to that was; I think he would have killed it). 

Hmmm.  It's good, but...  the vocals don't work for me; Ozzy is a tough gig to play.  This guy is clearly a very good singer; Ozzy is not a great singer, absolutely, but he's a great singer in that he captures what he's going for.  I think those first two solo albums really are brilliant, as much for Ozzy as for Randy.  There's a fragility, a vulnerability about his vocals that he never really got again, and this is almost TOO powerful and confident.   All my opinion of course.  Demmel nails the heavy parts later, but he sounds like he's struggling on the acoustic parts. 

That ending was killer, though; that was worth the price of admission if you ask me.   :)
That happens a lot with Ozzy. Far more talented singers usually fail to pull off what he did. I noticed that recently with SoA doing Diary, and thinking JSC was the weak link. And it's easy to notice with every live album Sabbath did after Ozzy. The only one that could really pull off Ozzy's vocals was the unsung Ray Gillen.

Ozzy might not be a great singer, but he’s an awesome Ozzy, and I think that’s the key.

Wise words, man.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 05, 2020, 02:10:04 PM
Those videos are fantastic.  :tup

They sure are. I hope he goes through everything. Not just the new vinyl.  Might take years, but we have time now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 08, 2020, 10:41:48 PM
Didn't see this mentioned anywhere here, but September 8 meant MP has officially been out of DT for 10 years already.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on September 09, 2020, 03:47:14 AM
I was actually pleasantly surprised that the anniversary didn't turn into a discussion.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 09, 2020, 08:25:02 AM
I was actually pleasantly surprised that the anniversary didn't turn into a discussion.  :tup

Give it time, give it time... :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 09, 2020, 08:39:00 AM
I can’t believe it’s been ten years since Mike left DT! When do you guys think they will ask him to rejoin the band?!?! Can we has nuggetz?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 09, 2020, 09:03:54 AM
I can’t believe it’s been ten years since Mike left DT! When do you guys think they will ask him to rejoin the band?!?! Can we has nuggetz?

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2020, 09:08:36 AM
The Prog Report had a whole podcast discussion about it, though I haven't seen it yet.

https://youtu.be/brkTw-EQSOI

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on September 09, 2020, 09:40:20 AM
Kinda crazy that 10 years passed so quickly. Wow.

That was a kick in the gut day for many of us. It's all good now though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 09, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
Hard to believe he was part of 37 albums, live and in studio, in 10 years...and for most of them he's a hands on kind of guy, and not "just" plays on them. He has a say in the music direction, artwork, setlists, touring plans etc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 10, 2020, 01:47:10 AM
Kinda crazy that 10 years passed so quickly. Wow.

That was a kick in the gut day for many of us. It's all good now though.

How to perfectly sum up very briefly something that has been discussed to death.

I was very sad about it, I really wished it wouldn't have to happen. But DT moved on, MP moved on and so eventually did I.

But yeah - IT'S ALREADY BEEN 10 YEARS? Someone stop the wheel of time!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 10, 2020, 02:19:32 AM
I remember that day very well. I'd only been a DT fan for 2-3 years, so I was into full DT fanboy mode by then. What a gut punch to read his statement. It all worked out fine for both parties in the end.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on September 10, 2020, 03:59:25 AM
My closest friend (whom I got into DT about 3 years prior) took it pretty hard. Me on the other hand, I was relieved about MP leaving and excited (and a bit apprehensive too) about what was to happen next. I was also relieved as can be about MM joining. So was my friend though. Couldn't have worked out better in retrospect.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 10, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
I remember that day. I was at band practice when I looked on here and saw the thread.

Now I'm here still listening to Dream Theater, whole my drummer friend isn't as much because he liked the way Portnoy Drums.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2020, 12:27:47 PM
I can’t believe it’s been ten years since Mike left DT! When do you guys think they will ask him to rejoin the band?!?! Can we has nuggetz?
That would be never.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2020, 03:23:01 PM
I’m pretty sure that was the day I met Jackie (bout to crash) in real life. I told her about it.

So happy 10 years to Jackie and me being friends.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 11, 2020, 12:15:37 AM
I’m pretty sure that was the day I met Jackie (bout to crash) in real life. I told her about it.

So happy 10 years to Jackie and me being friends.

Is she still around/active on DTF? I haven't seen her in a while.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Herrick on September 11, 2020, 12:39:20 AM
Kinda crazy that 10 years passed so quickly. Wow.

That was a kick in the gut day for many of us. It's all good now though.

It only feels like a few years ago when Portnoy left. Damn mang. Herrick was 29 visiting his family in Oklahoma.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 11, 2020, 06:06:47 AM
I had just moved to Erie for work. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 11, 2020, 06:31:38 AM
I remember it pretty well. I remember moving into my first apartment after graduating college and opening a new laptop. Naturally the first place I go to is DTF to see the announcement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2020, 07:21:56 AM
I’m pretty sure that was the day I met Jackie (bout to crash) in real life. I told her about it.

So happy 10 years to Jackie and me being friends.

Is she still around/active on DTF? I haven't seen her in a while.

Not too often. I’ll tell her you said hi.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 11, 2020, 07:22:47 AM
Please do :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 12, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
I was pretty shocked, but relieved when the other 4 did a reasonably solid job at reassuring the fans that it wouldn't mean the end of the band. It was the first time I'd experienced in real time a major band line-up change/split/departure of an artist I counted as one of my favorites.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 13, 2020, 06:15:14 AM
I remember that day very well. I'd only been a DT fan for 2-3 years, so I was into full DT fanboy mode by then. What a gut punch to read his statement. It all worked out fine for both parties in the end.
Same. I actually stopped listening to Dream Theater until the beginning of 2012 (only went back in to check out ADTOE, which I didn't like, which cast me further into depression). Then I went back into hardcore fangirl mode and found you guys.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 13, 2020, 11:44:15 AM
I remember that day very well. I'd only been a DT fan for 2-3 years, so I was into full DT fanboy mode by then. What a gut punch to read his statement. It all worked out fine for both parties in the end.
Same. I actually stopped listening to Dream Theater until the beginning of 2012 (only went back in to check out ADTOE, which I didn't like, which cast me further into depression). Then I went back into hardcore fangirl mode and found you guys.

Just curious, but what do you think about ADTOE now?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 14, 2020, 09:23:40 AM
I was pretty shocked, but relieved when the other 4 did a reasonably solid job at reassuring the fans that it wouldn't mean the end of the band. It was the first time I'd experienced in real time a major band line-up change/split/departure of an artist I counted as one of my favorites.

Yea, it's weird how I can remember exactly where I was (a McDonalds in Midtown Manhatten eating before I started a night shift at a contract job I was working) and browsing DTF on my phone and seeing the news.  Immediately calling my friend and just the feeling of shock and sadness.  In the end, I'd say things worked out but in that moment I was really upset and definitely had some thoughts of it being the end of DT.  I can't recall that feeling of any other band because most of those big break ups had happened before I followed said bands or bands that had members break and whatnot were bands that I didn't love the same as I love DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 14, 2020, 09:36:05 AM
I had just seen them twice on the BCSL tour - once in Australia and once in Brazil, and when I read the headline, my first reaction was "wow, these sites are going way too far with their clickbaits". Little did I know that 1) it was true and 2) clickbaiting would go to a new low every day since then...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 14, 2020, 10:54:25 AM
I was pretty shocked, but relieved when the other 4 did a reasonably solid job at reassuring the fans that it wouldn't mean the end of the band. It was the first time I'd experienced in real time a major band line-up change/split/departure of an artist I counted as one of my favorites.

Yea, it's weird how I can remember exactly where I was (a McDonalds in Midtown Manhatten eating before I started a night shift at a contract job I was working) and browsing DTF on my phone and seeing the news.  Immediately calling my friend and just the feeling of shock and sadness.  In the end, I'd say things worked out but in that moment I was really upset and definitely had some thoughts of it being the end of DT.  I can't recall that feeling of any other band because most of those big break ups had happened before I followed said bands or bands that had members break and whatnot were bands that I didn't love the same as I love DT.

I can relate to that notion of "sadness".   I had experienced that feeling of someone leaving before - Yes, Genesis, Maiden, Kiss - but I'll be honest:   I had Mike in my top three list of guys that "are too important".  It was a short list - if Purple could go on without Blackmore, or Genesis could go on without Phil then the idea of a guy being "irreplacable" is sort of nonsense - but I honestly thought that Mike was so much part of the ethos, the heart, the soul of that band that it was just a matter of time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 14, 2020, 11:45:31 AM
Just curious, but what do you think about ADTOE now?
It's okay I guess. Like, it's fine. I really, really, REALLY love Breaking All Illusions, it's one of their best songs of all time. OTBOA and BITS are fine. The rest is... okay.

Does that answer your question :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 14, 2020, 01:00:33 PM
Just curious, but what do you think about ADTOE now?
It's okay I guess. Like, it's fine. I really, really, REALLY love Breaking All Illusions, it's one of their best songs of all time. OTBOA and BITS are fine. The rest is... okay.

Does that answer your question :lol

I guess it does :lol

I know this isn't the thread to discuss this, but I love ADTOE for what it is: a really good comeback album after an ugly split and a return to form stylistically, which was welcome after SC and BC&SL, but it definitely has some flaws (and I'm not even talking about the mix, which I have no major issues with, but some here do).

To keep a threat-oriented discussion, though, I will say that Mike's attitude towards the album didn't help with the ugliness of the split at all. He accused them (indirectly, but he did) of rewriting IAW and JP of being too inspired by the band Red while writing BMU,BMD. While I see the similarities (specially with the song by Red), it's not like something like this had never happened under him before (see: Stockholm Syndrome/Never Enough, or that OVM and SC are basically the same album structure-wise).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 14, 2020, 01:19:52 PM
For me, MP leaving DT was more of a shock than sadness per se, since I had more or less stopped following DT’s releases after Octavarium. I just couldn’t believe he would ever step away from what he always described as his baby. To be honest, I always felt he was right that DT needed to take an extended break. Ultimately, I think it ended up being good for everyone, even if I don’t love everything MP has done since. The Winery Dogs and to a lesser extent Flying Colors are two projects I’m not sure would have happened otherwise and which I think I would really miss if they didn’t happen. I don’t own any of the Mangini DT albums, but the guys seem happy and successful since MP left, and now it seems like the parties have reconciled enough to wear at least they can be friends and collaborate on other projects, and that’s good enough for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: millahh on September 14, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
I had just moved to Erie for work.

I am so, so sorry.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 14, 2020, 03:15:17 PM
For me, MP leaving DT was more of a shock than sadness per se, since I had more or less stopped following DT’s releases after Octavarium. I just couldn’t believe he would ever step away from what he always described as his baby. To be honest, I always felt he was right that DT needed to take an extended break. Ultimately, I think it ended up being good for everyone, even if I don’t love everything MP has done since. The Winery Dogs and to a lesser extent Flying Colors are two projects I’m not sure would have happened otherwise and which I think I would really miss if they didn’t happen. I don’t own any of the Mangini DT albums, but the guys seem happy and successful since MP left, and now it seems like the parties have reconciled enough to wear at least they can be friends and collaborate on other projects, and that’s good enough for me.

John Petrucci and John Myung have always been his friends and a band disagreement that resulted in one leaving shouldn't be a crutch in a life-long friendship.

The reconciliation stuff is for the fans.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 14, 2020, 05:23:02 PM
To keep a threat-oriented discussion, though, I will say that Mike's attitude towards the album didn't help with the ugliness of the split at all. He accused them (indirectly, but he did) of rewriting IAW and JP of being too inspired by the band Red while writing BMU,BMD. While I see the similarities (specially with the song by Red), it's not like something like this had never happened under him before (see: Stockholm Syndrome/Never Enough, or that OVM and SC are basically the same album structure-wise).
I can go along with what you're saying about the accusations regarding BMUBMD, but that 8v and SC "are basically the same album structure-wise" is a big stretch. Yeah, both have a 20+ minute epic, a semi-epic that starts off mellow and has an extended instrumental section, a heavy Muse-influenced song and (surprise surprise) another part of the 12SS. But let's be real - those are pretty broad descriptions, and certainly the individual songs have little correlation to their supposed equivalent. Likewise, there's no U2-ish song, nor super sappy ballad, nor rock song on baritone guitar with a Neal Schon-esque solo on SC. And there's no Evanescence-y song, nor a song with Pantera-ish riffs, shouted verses and wacky Zappa-esque instrumental section on 8v. Plus I don't see equivalents for Constant Motion and Panic Attack on the opposing albums.

The thing is, you can be sure that as they were writing the various tracks for SC, MP wasn't saying "hey - let's make sure that we include these same style tracks that we just did on our last album!" In an interview that I did with MP back in 2004, when I asked him if he would ever consider using previous DT albums for "inspiration corner" instead of other bands' albums, he said
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We would never make a record with the mindset “let’s try to re-do this” or use Images and Words or Awake as inspiration corner – we don’t ever want to repeat ourselves. In fact, we would use those more as references for things not to do, because we’ve already done them! There’s been times where we have looked at our past records and said “wait – we’ve already done that – we can’t do that again.” So if anything, those earlier albums are not so much an influence, they’re more of a guideline for us to not repeat ourselves.

OTOH, after MP left the band, and with it, all his grand-master plans for album themes and arranging things, JP directed the band to "get back to their roots". What better way than to get ideas from the album that put them on the map in the first place and remains the most popular album in their catalog? Whether it started out as a simple writing exercise akin to the 2003 Stream of Consciousness fan club contest or something less innocent, it's quite evident that most of the songs on ADToE were initially based off the structures of songs from IaW.

That said, it didn't help when MP started making disparaging remarks about the similarities, and I can understand why he received the backlash he did from part of the fanbase.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 14, 2020, 10:54:04 PM
I've always been puzzled why a band with as many talented writers and musicians as DT would need or want an 'inspiration corner.'
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 15, 2020, 06:27:45 AM
I had just moved to Erie for work.

I am so, so sorry.  :biggrin:

HA!  It was an experience, that's for sure. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 15, 2020, 06:45:26 AM
I've always been puzzled why a band with as many talented writers and musicians as DT would need or want an 'inspiration corner.'

To be honest, while everyone in the band are talented writers in the sense they have come up with some really cool and amazing music, I don’t think anyone in DT (outside of possibly Kevin Moore and to a lesser extent JP) was a great *song* writer. They have always excelled more as players in my opinion, and they always seem to have relied pretty heavily on their influences in terms of the kind of songs they wrote. At least during the MP era.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 15, 2020, 06:56:28 AM
I've always been puzzled why a band with as many talented writers and musicians as DT would need or want an 'inspiration corner.'
I think the idea was to try to incorporate different styles and sounds into their music to always keep things fresh. Don't forget this is something they did going all the way back to WDaDU when they had not developed the songwriting skills they now have. And since WDaDU, it was probably just a habit that they had gotten themselves into until they consciously decided *not* to have it for BCaSL.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 15, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
OTOH, after MP left the band, and with it, all his grand-master plans for album themes and arranging things, JP directed the band to "get back to their roots". What better way than to get ideas from the album that put them on the map in the first place and remains the most popular album in their catalog? Whether it started out as a simple writing exercise akin to the 2003 Stream of Consciousness fan club contest or something less innocent, it's quite evident that most of the songs on ADToE were initially based off the structures of songs from IaW.

For what it's worth, JP would strongly dispute this.  And I know you have access to him, so you can discuss it with him at some point.  I would be curious to hear your take and compare notes after having that conversation.  But I have brought it up on a couple of occasions, and he is quite adamant that any similarities are superficial and not intended in the least.  I brought up specifics, and for each one, the response was basically along the lines of, "I can see why, in retrospect, you would think that they sound similar in some ways. But that was not intended, and here is why they are actually very different from a musical/compositional standpoint..."  I was surprised at how firm he was on that, because I had assumed for the longest time that, while the claims that they copied structures is WAY overblown and oversimplified, I heard some similarities that I believed were intentional homages, and I assumed there were likely others that I and others had not picked up on.  So, for what it's worth, the primary writer of the album disagrees.  And I guess it makes sense in a way, too, that even though there are a good 4 or 5 songs that seem to sound like they have some similarities to songs on I&W, nobody has ever been able to make convincing arguments for why it also seems to stop there, and there do not seem to be any similarities whatsoever with the other songs.  I mean, if you are going to do that, why stop the "nuggets" at a few songs and not have tie-ins with all of them?

I've always been puzzled why a band with as many talented writers and musicians as DT would need or want an 'inspiration corner.'

Because, whether you or I or any other fan agrees or disagrees, they like to be inspired by other talented artists, and they view inspiration and homages as a positive thing.  Thats' who they are.  It is just part of their musical identity. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on September 15, 2020, 09:33:03 AM
And I guess it makes sense in a way, too, that even though there are a good 4 or 5 songs that seem to sound like they have some similarities to songs on I&W, nobody has ever been able to make convincing arguments for why it also seems to stop there, and there do not seem to be any similarities whatsoever with the other songs.

Well, I don't see why this would be an issue.... the fact that some songs have the same structures does not mean that JP imposed upon the others a mandatory copy section by section of each and every song off I&W; Lost Not Forgotten for example resembles Under a Glass Moon a lot but there's no piano intro on UaGM, why is there on LNF? because they felt like saw and nobody was shooting anybody in case they went off the rails.

I mean, there's a lot of options between the two extremes of "We absolutely have to copy all the 8 songs of Images and Words down to the tiniest of detail" and "We just happened to write some songs that, boy that's funny, resembles so much and so closely four songs off the same album".

As Scotty said, maybe it was just a random exercise in songwriting, Stream of Consciousness contest style, that yelded suprisingly good results. It doesn't mean that they didn't allow themselves some liberties anyway, see the piano intro for Lost Not Forgotten or the fact that Outcry has a chorus while the song that it strongly resembles, structure wise, has not (Metropolis).

Personally I always thought more plausible that just SOME songs resembled their I&W counterparts, with some details changed here and there, than they would replicate an entire album with the wild hunt for nuggetz in all the other songs even when they aren't really there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 15, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
Well, I never thought they set out to "replicate" the album.  But I had assumed that maybe they started with a couple of small nuggets that tied in.  And if they were going to intentionally do that for some songs, it just seems odd to me that they wouldn't have done that for all.  But not necessarily to the same degree.  On one end of the spectrum, you have a song that may mirror a LOT of structural elements of a song on I&W, like OTBOA.  On the other end of the spectrum, maybe you have a song that only shares a small, hidden nugget with a song on I&W that is perhaps so subtle that only the nerdiest person would eventually pick up on the connection. In the middle, you have varying degrees of similarity, such as a short, soft song before the closing epic (even if not "structurally" similar or similarly "musically" in any significant way), or a song that has a similar-sounding intro section (LNF/UAGM) or a similar feeling instrumental section (Outcry/Metropolis), but otherwise has nothing really in common.  I always thought that, if it indeed was intentional, it made sense that there would almost surely be some connection, no matter how small and subtle, with the other songs.  But, again, I was told on more than one occasion that there are NO such connections at all, at least not intentionally.  And that was in response to very direct questions about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 15, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
The closest similarity I can hear is  7:09-7:16 in Lost Not Forgotten and 4:37-4:42 in Under A Glass Moon.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on September 15, 2020, 12:40:48 PM
I have no idea what their intent was, but, with the exception of keys (i.e., key signatures, not keyboards), BAI is a virtual carbon copy of LTL.

The intro in LTL (0:00 - 0:25) is an odd time riff that starts with a single instrument (keyboards) and which is subsequently joined by the full band.

The intro in BAI (0:00 - 0:33) is an odd time riff that starts with a single instrument (guitar) and which is subsequently joined by the full band.


From 0:25 - 1:13, LTL then spins off into a variation on the intro riff that decrescendos into something softer and slower.

From 0:33 - 1:34, BAI spins off into a variation on the intro riff.  The biggest difference is that it is interrupted by the instrumental version of "reaching out" from 0:49 - 1:13, before revisiting the intro riff and decrescendoing into something softer and slower.


The first verse of LTL (1:13 - 2:42) is primarily driven by a bass riff that alternates time signatures (4-3-4-2), with atmospheric keyboards and low-range vocals and guitar accents, and which slowly crescendos before the pre-chorus.

The first verse of BAI (1:34 - 3:04) is primarily driven by a bass riff that alternates time signatures (7-6-5-7), with atmospheric keyboards and low-range vocals and guitar accents, and which slowly crescendos before the pre-chorus.


The pre-chorus/chorus of LTL (2:42 - 3:10) is majestic sounding, primarily based on whole notes.

The pre-chorus/chorus of BAI (3:04 - 3:40) is majestic sounding, primarily based on whole notes (albeit in 3/4).


The second verse of LTL (3:10 - 4:01) is much heavier than the first and is based on a staccato riff played by the whole band, which intensifies as it moves along.

The second verse of BAI (3:40 - 4:21) is much heavier than the first and is based on a staccato riff played by the whole band (although it does not intensify in the same way as LTL).


LTL then moves to a bridge (4:01 - 5:30) that features an instrumental section that is based around the intro riff before vocals come in.  It ends with a slightly airy/jazzy section but features call backs throughout to the intro riff and subsequent variation section.  It includes a section where the rhythm section lays out while the guitar and keys take a duo.

BAI then moves to a bridge (4:21 - 6:41) that features an instrumental section that is based around the intro riff before the vocals come in.  In this case, the vocals are set over the same musical section that interrupted the intro variations section.  It is more majestic/rocking than LTL's airy/jazzy section.  However, like, LTL, it includes a section where the rhythm section lays out while the guitar and keys take a duo.  This section in BAI is significantly longer and more complex than its counterpart in LTL, and the end bears relatively little resemblance.


From 5:30 - 7:41, LTL features a quiet section with a clean guitar solo over a relatively mellow accompaniment, which builds as it progresses.  The guitar switches to distorted electric right before James's whoa-whoa-whoa section, after which the section becomes more majestic.

From 6:41 - 8:51, BAI features a quiet section with a clean guitar solo over a relatively mellow accompaniment, which builds as it progresses.  The guitar switches to distorted electric at the end.  There is no "interrupting" vocal segment as in LTL.


The ensuing instrumental sections (7:41 - 9:35 in LTL and 8:51 - 10:36 in BAI) are rather dissimilar, but both resolve into a vocal section that calls back to an earlier segment of the song "the way your hear sounds" in LTL and "searching out, reaching in" in BAI.  The ends of the two songs are not particularly similar (the bass-based outro in LTL and the majestic keyboard-based ending of BAI).


There are parts of Outcry that remind me of Metropolis, but none of the other comparisons have resonated with me.  The LTL/BAI parallels, however, hit me over the head from the first time I heard BAI
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 15, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
I've always been puzzled why a band with as many talented writers and musicians as DT would need or want an 'inspiration corner.'

Because, whether you or I or any other fan agrees or disagrees, they like to be inspired by other talented artists, and they view inspiration and homages as a positive thing.  Thats' who they are.  It is just part of their musical identity. 

Of course, and point well received, it just seems like inspiration is best when it comes randomly or spontaneously, for lack of a better descriptor, not because you are actively seeking it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 15, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
I've always been puzzled why a band with as many talented writers and musicians as DT would need or want an 'inspiration corner.'
Because, whether you or I or any other fan agrees or disagrees, they like to be inspired by other talented artists, and they view inspiration and homages as a positive thing.  Thats' who they are.  It is just part of their musical identity. 
Of course, and point well received, it just seems like inspiration is best when it comes randomly or spontaneously, for lack of a better descriptor, not because you are actively seeking it.
But that's the thing - there are times when those guys might be inspired randomly or spontaneously, and then write down/record that idea so it doesn't get forgotten. But when you're preparing to write and record a new album, besides any ideas that may be brought to the table from those instances, they probably want to make sure they have enough material to work with and use inspiration corner to get the juices flowing.

Don't forget that in some cases, it might not be a case of songwriting, but it could be something sonically, too. Notice what JP said in an interview from 1994 in reference to working on Awake:
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Then when we were getting guitar sounds the engineer encouraged bringing in CDs we liked the sound of. I brought in Metallica for some of the heavier stuff. I brought in Rush’s Hold Your Fire for some of those semi-clean distorted sounds. The [totally] clean sounds I had tailored before going in.

I don't really hear anything that reminds me of Rush's HYF album in Awake, but it's evident that it was one of the albums that was in inspiration corner for Awake.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 15, 2020, 09:08:26 PM
Now that I see that, I can totally see the HYF influence on the cleaner guitar sounds on Awake.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on September 16, 2020, 02:57:21 AM
I can hear it for example on the verses in Innocence faded, or parts of Erotomania.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 16, 2020, 05:55:03 AM
I can hear it for example on the verses in Innocence faded, or parts of Erotomania.

Innocence Faded has that Red Barchetta thing before the solo, which is SO Rush!!!!

By the way, in my yet to be published interview with John Petrucci, I asked him for examples of when they used the "what would Rush do" rationale, not just musically. He loved the question, and gave me a great example of it. I'll post the link here in DTF once it's out. Looks like it's coming out this week.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 16, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
I can hear it for example on the verses in Innocence faded, or parts of Erotomania.

Now you mention that song I can hear it. I'm using Force Ten as a reference point as that's the only song I really know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on September 16, 2020, 03:24:40 PM

James...Labrie?  Doesn't sound familiar.  Context?



On the Official Bootlegs, the Uncovered album which was a compilation of random covers they did had Diary of a Madman and in the liner notes Portnoy said he wanted to do Revelation but James was adamant about NOT doing that one. I don't remember if it was in the liner notes or later in an interview he said that he was surprised James was so adamant because he was usually game for whatever. He never did say why.

Gotcha.  I forgot that album existed.  I'd have bought it, but I don't think it has ever been in stock since I became aware that YJR existed, so I've never seen the liner notes.

By the way...now having listened to most of the "Uncovered" album, I have to say that JLB has balls of solid iron.  That album could have been subtitled, "Songs We Picked to Stretch James to His Absolute Limits."  Covering Dio era Sabbath, Journey in Steve Perry's prime.  ANY 70s Yes and Kansas songs.  To be game enough even to attempt some of those songs and to have the lack of ego to allow them to be released says a lot for the guy.  Also, can JM not buy a decent bass mix -- even on an album of covers?!  You could barely hear the guy on important parts of Machine Messiah.  At least he was audible during the opening bass driven section of Heart of the Sunrise.  Surprisingly (since I assume MP was responsible for the final mixes), JM wasn't sacrificed in favor of overly loud drums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 16, 2020, 04:35:51 PM
can JM not buy a decent bass mix -- even on an album of covers?!  You could barely hear the guy on important parts of Machine Messiah.  At least he was audible during the opening bass driven section of Heart of the Sunrise.  Surprisingly (since I assume MP was responsible for the final mixes), JM wasn't sacrificed in favor of overly loud drums.
I could be wrong about this, but I would wager that's more JP's doing than MP's. JP has always been more focused on the sonic aspects of the albums than MP. I think as long as MP had a good drum sound, he probably yielded to JP regarding the rest of the mix. Don't forget that it was JP that insisted on having SFaM remixed - not MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 17, 2020, 07:02:06 AM

James...Labrie?  Doesn't sound familiar.  Context?



On the Official Bootlegs, the Uncovered album which was a compilation of random covers they did had Diary of a Madman and in the liner notes Portnoy said he wanted to do Revelation but James was adamant about NOT doing that one. I don't remember if it was in the liner notes or later in an interview he said that he was surprised James was so adamant because he was usually game for whatever. He never did say why.

Gotcha.  I forgot that album existed.  I'd have bought it, but I don't think it has ever been in stock since I became aware that YJR existed, so I've never seen the liner notes.

By the way...now having listened to most of the "Uncovered" album, I have to say that JLB has balls of solid iron.  That album could have been subtitled, "Songs We Picked to Stretch James to His Absolute Limits."  Covering Dio era Sabbath, Journey in Steve Perry's prime.  ANY 70s Yes and Kansas songs.  To be game enough even to attempt some of those songs and to have the lack of ego to allow them to be released says a lot for the guy.  Also, can JM not buy a decent bass mix -- even on an album of covers?!  You could barely hear the guy on important parts of Machine Messiah.  At least he was audible during the opening bass driven section of Heart of the Sunrise.  Surprisingly (since I assume MP was responsible for the final mixes), JM wasn't sacrificed in favor of overly loud drums.

I'm with you regarding James.   The guy really CAN sing just about anything AND make it sound decent (and not like it's been radically readjusted to fit the vocals).   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 17, 2020, 07:04:52 PM
10 years?

I must have heard the news almost immediately after Mike announced it because I remember that it was sort of ominous that Dream Theater hadn't made an announcement. I always figured Portnoy had a "main" ownership stake, maybe with JM and JP so I was wondering if DT would even be allowed to continue. I'm sure it wasn't that long after that they did make a statement but it freaked me out.

I didn't realize that the way those things typically work is that they each own an equal share of the corporation. Any extra money comes from extra responsibilities like songwriting or producing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2020, 08:37:03 AM
It was fascinating to watch the reactions at the time surrounding those kinds of issues.   I was on the MP site at that time, and it was almost a full-time job (and where I first started to get the rep as an MP apologist) trying to explain how "corporations" are or can be run.   One big sticking point for many at that time was that sometimes legal entities have requirements that don't always "look good" when viewed from the perspective of best buds pounding beers.   Sometimes you HAVE to sue as a formality to trigger other clauses in an operating agreement (the agreement that governs how a corporation is run).   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 18, 2020, 09:59:35 AM
What I remember is that, at the time, the split looked, in paper (their statements), much more amicable than it actually was. After reading the DT statement I remember thinking "well, he wanted to leave and they will move on, but they're still friends and will hopefully collaborate again on LTE 3 or something, Mike just wanted a big change for his music career". But, nope, then a lot of things started happening around this :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2020, 10:03:35 AM
There was more to it than that.  It got to the point that James and Mike were at each other all the time and they had security guards for each of them backstage at the end.  You could see it building up in interviews here Mike said a little too much that should have been internal.  That really pissed off James.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on September 18, 2020, 11:02:36 AM
There was more to it than that.  It got to the point that James and Mike were at each other all the time and they had security guards for each of them backstage at the end.  You could see it building up in interviews here Mike said a little too much that should have been internal.  That really pissed off James.

Security guards for each of them? That's news to me, I didn't know it was THAT heated between them. Can you go into more detail?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 18, 2020, 11:05:44 AM
Yeah, that's news to me too.

Spill it, Joe!  :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on September 18, 2020, 11:11:20 AM
can JM not buy a decent bass mix -- even on an album of covers?!  You could barely hear the guy on important parts of Machine Messiah.  At least he was audible during the opening bass driven section of Heart of the Sunrise.  Surprisingly (since I assume MP was responsible for the final mixes), JM wasn't sacrificed in favor of overly loud drums.
I could be wrong about this, but I would wager that's more JP's doing than MP's. JP has always been more focused on the sonic aspects of the albums than MP. I think as long as MP had a good drum sound, he probably yielded to JP regarding the rest of the mix. Don't forget that it was JP that insisted on having SFaM remixed - not MP.

Yeah but...

Being that this was an "official bootleg," how much involvement did the band members other than MP have (other than as performers)?  I understand that JP and MP were on roughly equal footing when it came to the official releases, was that also true with the "official bootlegs"?


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2020, 11:19:12 AM
There was more to it than that.  It got to the point that James and Mike were at each other all the time and they had security guards for each of them backstage at the end.  You could see it building up in interviews here Mike said a little too much that should have been internal.  That really pissed off James.

Security guards for each of them? That's news to me, I didn't know it was THAT heated between them. Can you go into more detail?

Yeah, that's news to me too.

Spill it, Joe!  :P

I cannot because I can't out who told me this but the person is reputable.  The person wants to remain anonymous. Not anyone on this forum.

It's not the only reason.  It's always a confluence or reasons but is was a big one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 18, 2020, 12:26:31 PM
Talking about remembering where we were when we first read the news about MP leaving DT. I remember it clearly - I was in line at WalMart doing some grocery shopping with my then-roommate/best friend, and she was trying to figure out why I was looking so distraught reading my phone while I leaned on the shopping cart. I felt devastated.

Hard to believe it has been ten years since then, but I'd like to think that Mike is pretty happy with his decision to leave. He's done so much in that time and has been able to express his musical feelings in many different ways.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 18, 2020, 12:46:28 PM
can JM not buy a decent bass mix -- even on an album of covers?!  You could barely hear the guy on important parts of Machine Messiah.  At least he was audible during the opening bass driven section of Heart of the Sunrise.  Surprisingly (since I assume MP was responsible for the final mixes), JM wasn't sacrificed in favor of overly loud drums.
I could be wrong about this, but I would wager that's more JP's doing than MP's. JP has always been more focused on the sonic aspects of the albums than MP. I think as long as MP had a good drum sound, he probably yielded to JP regarding the rest of the mix. Don't forget that it was JP that insisted on having SFaM remixed - not MP.
Yeah but...

Being that this was an "official bootleg," how much involvement did the band members other than MP have (other than as performers)?  I understand that JP and MP were on roughly equal footing when it came to the official releases, was that also true with the "official bootlegs"?
Obviously, MP was the one who spearheaded official bootlegs, since he was the one with the massive archives, wrote the setlists and was familiar with shows that were noteworthy. And, like official releases, he oversaw many aspects of them, including artwork, packaging, etc. But when it came to the mixing of the recordings, where it wasn't just pulled from a 2-track DAT recording, I'm pretty confident that JP would have overseen that aspect of it. After all, these releases are listed as being produced by both of them. That said, I *do* think most official bootlegs are taken from 2-track DAT recordings.

With regards to the Uncovered 2003-2005 release, I'm pretty sure that all the recordings were just pulled from the 2-track DAT recordings, because in the credits, it lists Nigel Paul as doing the "Live Audio Mix" and Fred Kevorkian as mastering the recordings, but no one is listed as doing the actual mixing for the CD itself. OTOH, their Made in Japan official bootleg includes the same credits for Nigel Paul, and both mixing and mastering were done by Roger Glover.

So in the case of the Uncovered 2003-2005 release, if those recordings were taken from the 2-track DATs, then there really isn't much that could be done to boost JM in the mix, aside from maybe some EQing. And as we all know, JM is not known to be high in the live mix of shows, so that's why he's not high in the mix of that official bootleg, either.
 
 
There was more to it than that.  It got to the point that James and Mike were at each other all the time and they had security guards for each of them backstage at the end.  You could see it building up in interviews here Mike said a little too much that should have been internal.  That really pissed off James.

Security guards for each of them? That's news to me, I didn't know it was THAT heated between them. Can you go into more detail?
Yeah, that's news to me too.

Spill it, Joe!  :P
I cannot because I can't out who told me this but the person is reputable.  The person wants to remain anonymous. Not anyone on this forum.

It's not the only reason.  It's always a confluence or reasons but is was a big one.
What other reasons? In any case, this definitely news to me, too. Never heard that one before. Would be really curious to know who it was who made that claim. If true, I would have imagined that it would have been mentioned in Lifting Shadows as being a pre-cursor to MP's leaving, and would have even given the other guys in the band some inkling that something might happen. But all the interviews from those guys indicate that they were all blindsided by this, aside from JL commenting that he noticed MP seemed a bit distant to him while they were on tour with Maiden. Besides, would they both have brought their security guards with them when they had that fateful meeting on August 30 when MP first announced his intentions? I would imagine it probably would have been necessary, if true. So I have my doubts on the validity of this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 18, 2020, 12:48:46 PM
As do I.  Please do NOT spread unconfirmed rumors from unnamed sources.  "I know a guy who knows a guy that I trust" doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2020, 01:53:59 PM
I just want protect him sir. Didn't want to stir up anything. Plus it was a confluence of things that I said. It's never one thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on September 18, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
Obviously, MP was the one who spearheaded official bootlegs, since he was the one with the massive archives, wrote the setlists and was familiar with shows that were noteworthy. And, like official releases, he oversaw many aspects of them, including artwork, packaging, etc. But when it came to the mixing of the recordings, where it wasn't just pulled from a 2-track DAT recording, I'm pretty confident that JP would have overseen that aspect of it. After all, these releases are listed as being produced by both of them. That said, I *do* think most official bootlegs are taken from 2-track DAT recordings.

With regards to the Uncovered 2003-2005 release, I'm pretty sure that all the recordings were just pulled from the 2-track DAT recordings, because in the credits, it lists Nigel Paul as doing the "Live Audio Mix" and Fred Kevorkian as mastering the recordings, but no one is listed as doing the actual mixing for the CD itself. OTOH, their Made in Japan official bootleg includes the same credits for Nigel Paul, and both mixing and mastering were done by Roger Glover.

So in the case of the Uncovered 2003-2005 release, if those recordings were taken from the 2-track DATs, then there really isn't much that could be done to boost JM in the mix, aside from maybe some EQing. And as we all know, JM is not known to be high in the live mix of shows, so that's why he's not high in the mix of that official bootleg, either.

Makes sense.  Thanks for the info.  By the way, any idea where one can read the liner notes for that Uncovered release?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2020, 01:55:08 PM
Plus it's 10 years. I'm glad MP & JP worked together again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 18, 2020, 03:39:24 PM
What I remember is that, at the time, the split looked, in paper (their statements), much more amicable than it actually was.

I bet it was...at first. I bet there were the normal feelings involved in the initial split. Feelings of abandonment, maybe even betrayed, scared for their family's well being and financial security, but nothing like it turned into thanks to...well....we don't need to get into that again.

But yeah, i think it got bad after the first month or two and then when they wouldnt let mike back in, the threats of a lawsuit, etc....that was when it got really bad.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 18, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
Yeah, for the first few years or so I have had this sinking feeling that things would just keep getting worse and worse until they all cross a threshold where it's unlikely that they would be friends again. Fortunately that hasn't happened, and we should probably give MP the bear's share of the credit for that. I don't follow him as actively as other people but aside from a few foot-in-mouth moments, whenever I tune into one of his social media feeds or interviews or videos in the past year or so, he's talking about things with a lot of grace, which I found very new. Like, don't flame me, but out of many positive words I would associate with MP (as I perceive him), "grace" and especially "tact" was never at the top of the list. But he's just very chill and always talks about the good side of things nowadays.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 18, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
Plus it was a confluence of things that I said. It's never one thing.
So will you elaborate on the rest of these things?
 
 
Makes sense.  Thanks for the info.  By the way, any idea where one can read the liner notes for that Uncovered release?
If you can't find them doing a Google search, I couldn't tell ya.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
The other things are conjecture on my part. 

Mike wanted to be heavier with DT.  James voice didn't fit that style he had envisioned.  Hence he started to add his lead vocals.

Mike's focus on side projects that influenced him with DT.  He also became tired of his "first wife, DT."

So the other music was alluring.   Add he wanted the break because of these influences and the rest of the bsnd didn't.

Like I said,  I'm guessing in my end but I think a lot is intertwined in his decision. 



Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 19, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
I just want protect him sir. Didn't want to stir up anything. Plus it was a confluence of things that I said. It's never one thing.

Had no idea about this either. Not a hint.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 19, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
The other things are conjecture on my part. 

Mike wanted to be heavier with DT.  James voice didn't fit that style he had envisioned.  Hence he started to add his lead vocals.

Mike's focus on side projects that influenced him with DT.  He also became tired of his "first wife, DT."

So the other music was alluring.   Add he wanted the break because of these influences and the rest of the band didn't.

I thought that was all basically assumed to some degree.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 20, 2020, 05:34:16 AM
The other things are conjecture on my part. 

Mike wanted to be heavier with DT.  James voice didn't fit that style he had envisioned.  Hence he started to add his lead vocals.

Mike's focus on side projects that influenced him with DT.  He also became tired of his "first wife, DT."

So the other music was alluring.   Add he wanted the break because of these influences and the rest of the band didn't.

I thought that was all basically assumed to some degree.
To a degree the second/third point is true. MP has stated in interviews that (in essence) he noticed how much fun he was having with these side projects and with A7X, in comparison to the time spent when touring with DT. So he wanted to take a break so that the band could recharge its batteries and feel reinvigorated, instead of just plodding along - absence makes the heart grow fonder, as has been proven true by him and JP getting together around the holidays and finally doing something musically.

To the first point, I have to disagree. While MP may have been the most "metal" guy in the band, that didn't mean that JP wasn't in full agreement with it. Everyone's super quick to point to SC and BCaSL as being "metal" albums, but there are a lot of non-metal elements to parts of those albums, too. If they had done back-to-back albums that were like ToT, I'd be more likely to agree, but that's not the case.

Regarding MP adding his vocals, I think you forget that he (and JP) started adding their vocals back on FII, and MP's first featured prominently on SDoIT which is probably one of the most diverse albums in terms of styles. Even after World Tourbulence, they had the big talk with JL, and back then there was the talk that maybe his style of vocal wasn't exactly what they wanted, but chose to continue on with him, if he would make improvements on his performances, which he did.

So this is nothing new and wasn't something that just cropped up within the last 1 or 2 years that MP was still in the band.

BTW, kingshmegland, I am wondering if your unnamed source is getting the split between MP and DT mixed up with the split between Geoff Tate and Queensryche, which has been confirmed that they had security guards to separate Tater from the rest of the band. That seems to be the most logical possibility.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Anxiety35 on September 23, 2020, 11:33:09 AM
Getting back to MP on JP's new album...

We know JP programmed drums and he said he let MP do his thing. Which means here are the rythms and patterns to the songs but add your personal touch to them.

As a result, I think this is MP's best studio performance since his departure from DT. He sounds fresh and energized.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 23, 2020, 12:48:38 PM
MP just shared a new song by Richie Kotzen with MP on drums. Not sure the Facebook link will work, but it’s on MP and Richie’s facebooks. Sounds pretty cool.

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=10158721788394938&id=9531729937

Good to see them doing something together even if it was sort of a quick one off like this. Hopefully TWD comes back once SOA runs its course and Richie recharges from his busy year of solo stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on September 23, 2020, 02:57:39 PM
MP just shared a new song by Richie Kotzen with MP on drums. Not sure the Facebook link will work, but it’s on MP and Richie’s facebooks. Sounds pretty cool.

https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=10158721788394938&id=9531729937

Good to see them doing something together even if it was sort of a quick one off like this. Hopefully TWD comes back once SOA runs its course and Richie recharges from his busy year of solo stuff.

I LOVED that song, and I think the chemistry between Mike, Richie and Billy is quite unique, especially live. I too hope that TWD does something soon. They were on a roll with album #2, then Richie pulled the plug...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on September 23, 2020, 04:06:58 PM
Whoa! Killer song. I dig it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 24, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
Mike retweeted my clip of This Dying Soul from the Shattered Fortress show 3 years ago (and one day).  :metal :metal

https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1309339483112865792 (https://twitter.com/Cramx3/status/1309339483112865792)

but also, that show was so much fun because we played arcade games before and had a solid DTF meet up for this one

And finally Sep. 24, New York City, NY. (Milahhhhhh, El Barto, Stadler, Cram, Nick, Axeman)

(https://www.wpapu.com/images/DTF04.jpg)

Also, no regrets on my middle finger, I got two in. Check between Stads and Bart  :yarr
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 25, 2020, 07:45:59 AM
That was a great fuckin' day, start to finish.   Really a good time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 25, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Well, one guy knows how to do it...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 25, 2020, 07:54:05 AM
Well, one guy knows how to do it...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQfgtjfWEAEPIqR.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on September 25, 2020, 08:00:29 AM
That was a great fuckin' day, start to finish.   Really a good time.

Nice shirt man, I also still have that one  :coolio
Bought it at my first DT concert in Munich in June 2009, when I was 16. And it still fits (more or less)  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 25, 2020, 08:20:22 AM
Well, one guy knows how to do it...

If you go back, I think there was about a page and a half of commentary critiquing my execution.  I've learned!!!  :) :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 25, 2020, 09:13:31 PM
If you go back, I think there was about a page and a half of commentary critiquing my execution. 

My first thought was "hey, wasn't that the picture that instigated the discussion about acceptable middle finger flipping techniques?"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 25, 2020, 09:23:51 PM
Coz is the catalyst for all things middle finger from DTF.


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 25, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
Coz is the catalyst for all things middle finger from DTF.
Hey king shmegland - you ever confirm with your unnamed buddy whether the talk about security guards to protect band members was in fact MP and JL, instead of Geoff Tate and Queensryche?
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Post by: millahh on September 26, 2020, 04:32:03 PM
Well, one guy knows how to do it...

If you go back, I think there was about a page and a half of commentary critiquing my execution.  I've learned!!!  :) :)

I also feel suitably chastened from that...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
Every time I see a picture of Millahh, I have to remember that he is not black. :lol
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Post by: IDontNotDoThings on September 26, 2020, 06:42:23 PM
Every time I see a picture of Millahh, I have to remember that he is not black. :lol

Well obviously. His avatar is clearly blue. :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 26, 2020, 07:10:05 PM
Coz is the catalyst for all things middle finger from DTF.
Hey king shmegland - you ever confirm with your unnamed buddy whether the talk about security guards to protect band members was in fact MP and JL, instead of Geoff Tate and Queensryche?

Check your PM's. I'm still not naming a name.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
I know who the security guard was...

















(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/original/aUxB7TUxF64nUBu9orbvORcX7Nz.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 26, 2020, 08:49:23 PM
It just doesn't make sense that they would have security guards. Did they ride on the bus with them? Sleep in the bunk in between them? If not, then why was it so important to have them at the venue? They could magically ride on a bus together but you put them in a room with catering and WATCH OUT!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on October 02, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
Did he stop doing the vinyl videos? I was really enjoying them
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 02, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
I was wondering that too, I was really enjoying them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 03, 2020, 06:38:58 AM
He's been too busy blocking people on twitter.

I actually find it hilarious that people are like "stop posting your political opinions" and he's like "nah, but i'll block you so you dont have to see them."  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on October 03, 2020, 06:41:40 AM
I only very recently started following him on twitter, has he always been political?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 03, 2020, 06:49:04 AM
I only very recently started following him on twitter, has he always been political?

Nah. I think since the election of Trump but definitely it has picked up in the last year.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 03, 2020, 08:03:46 AM
As someone who never really cared about politics until I realized what a utter  :censored was a politician here in Italy, I can imagine it's the same for him... not really wanting to talk about politics but when someone gets on your nerves so much, it's hard to keep quiet. I'd assume he'll be back to the usual musical discussions once the election is done with.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 03, 2020, 09:18:36 AM
He's been too busy blocking people on twitter.

I actually find it hilarious that people are like "stop posting your political opinions" and he's like "nah, but i'll block you do you dont have to see them."  :lol

That's the funny part about twitter, and people don't get that it's the concept of a bird being a messenger. Hearing something and Tweeting it out to all the other birds who then fly and tweet to the other birds. So, if you're tired of band members speaking their minds (they are human), then why are you on Twitter.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 03, 2020, 02:50:49 PM
He's been too busy blocking people on twitter.

I actually find it hilarious that people are like "stop posting your political opinions" and he's like "nah, but i'll block you do you dont have to see them."  :lol

That's great. I love it! It's been about a month since I checked his twitter feed. Good time to check it again I guess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on October 04, 2020, 03:30:24 PM
It's almost like Mike reads this forum and adheres to our wishes!

New episode is 47 minutes. I gotta do some stuff around the house and I'm gonna play it while I do that, otherwise, I'm sense that I'm not going to get it done!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty2lVtIkb0M&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 08, 2020, 12:29:40 PM
It's almost like Mike reads this forum and adheres to our wishes!
Part of this is true (or was at one time).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on October 09, 2020, 01:47:24 AM
It's almost like Mike reads this forum and adheres to our wishes!

New episode is 47 minutes. I gotta do some stuff around the house and I'm gonna play it while I do that, otherwise, I'm sense that I'm not going to get it done!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty2lVtIkb0M&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for reminding me. That was a really good watch.

Now checking out some Pantera as a result.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 11, 2020, 12:12:05 PM
It's almost like Mike reads this forum and adheres to our wishes!

New episode is 47 minutes. I gotta do some stuff around the house and I'm gonna play it while I do that, otherwise, I'm sense that I'm not going to get it done!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty2lVtIkb0M&feature=youtu.be

I love that have him continue with the other parts of his collection, but I have a feeling that just isn't going to happen.
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Post by: ReaperKK on October 11, 2020, 04:06:07 PM
Yea it would be cool. He mentioned having some reel to reel and I'd love to get some stories behind what he has on tape.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 17, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
Yea it would be cool. He mentioned having some reel to reel and I'd love to get some stories behind what he has on tape.

Or even his movies... I'm much more interested in the music, but a lot could be learned from his movies also. He's enough of an authority that he could probably generate a little revenue off of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on December 01, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
It's almost like Mike reads this forum and adheres to our wishes!

New episode is 47 minutes. I gotta do some stuff around the house and I'm gonna play it while I do that, otherwise, I'm sense that I'm not going to get it done!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty2lVtIkb0M&feature=youtu.be
Has there been the seventh episode? I have a felling I missed it but I cannot find it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 03, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
From MP FB page:
Just added on my YouTube channel: my Drum & Vox Cam for Transatlantic’s Overture / Reaching For The Sky. Just from watching this video, you can see how this album was constantly growing and evolving as it contains footage from at least two different drum and vocal sessions! Enjoy... 🚀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEoEPMEsztY&feature=youtu.be

 :metal

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on December 09, 2020, 09:23:58 PM
From MP on Facebook just now:

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Totally shocked and sad to hear of Sean Malone’s passing...he was a tremendous bass and stick player that I had the pleasure of working with many times through the years. He was my Geddy in Cygnus & The Sea Monsters, he played on the 1st OSI album w me and we last toured together in 2014 when he was playing Bass in John Wesley’s band opening for Flying Colors. This is just another shocking loss in 2020...sadly the same year we also lost Sean Reinert, his rhythm section partner in Cynic. #RIPSeanMalone 😥

https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/5183779271639673/

-Marc.
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Post by: HOF on December 09, 2020, 09:25:09 PM
From MP on Facebook just now:

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Totally shocked and sad to hear of Sean Malone’s passing...he was a tremendous bass and stick player that I had the pleasure of working with many times through the years. He was my Geddy in Cygnus & The Sea Monsters, he played on the 1st OSI album w me and we last toured together in 2014 when he was playing Bass in John Wesley’s band opening for Flying Colors. This is just another shocking loss in 2020...sadly the same year we also lost Sean Reinert, his rhythm section partner in Cynic. #RIPSeanMalone 😥

https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/5183779271639673/

-Marc.

Just saw that too. Not familiar with Malone outside of OSI, but that’s really sad. Only 50 years old.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on December 09, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
Very sad, his work on both Gordian Knot albums were phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on December 09, 2020, 10:01:29 PM
Very sad, his work on both Gordian Knot albums were phenomenal.

I heard some of one of those a long time ago. Checking out Emergent now on Amazon Music.

Hey, Steve Hackett is on this album. Seems kind of random.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on December 12, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Very sad, his work on both Gordian Knot albums were phenomenal.

Wow. Kind of in shock as I read this just now. Those Gordian Knot albums are amazing. Both Seans gone now. This sucks.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 25, 2021, 09:50:15 PM
I haven't been following them, but Mike has posted on Twitter saying he filmed part 7 of his vinyl collection series and that it'll get posted tomorrow!

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Sorry it took so long for those who were asking/waiting...finally filmed #MPVinyl Ep 7 tonight! Coming tomorrow... 🎧
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsodEQNWMAAsm-i?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1353926600207839233?s=19

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on January 26, 2021, 02:03:37 AM
I got excited just seeing him holding up the copy of The Light.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 26, 2021, 11:49:44 AM
waiting until he had vinyl for The Absolute Universe to show.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 26, 2021, 03:10:49 PM
MP Vinyl Ep 07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWO1gCtiHtE

ALL OF THE TRANSATLANTIC ALBUMS WILL BE REISSUE SOON THROUGH INSIDEOUT!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on January 27, 2021, 02:34:33 AM
I still want that copy of The Light on vinyl. Is it still in stock somewhere?
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Post by: Fritzinger on January 27, 2021, 06:31:31 AM
I still want that copy of The Light on vinyl. Is it still in stock somewhere?

I think it's quite hard to get nowadays. Discogs has the two colored versions for around 150 bucks each and one copy of the black one for around 50 (not sealed though).
https://www.discogs.com/de/Spocks-Beard-The-Light/master/297880

IIRC, it's sold out at all usual websites (Amazon, JPC, etc).
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Post by: darkshade on January 27, 2021, 06:16:15 PM
Can't wait to see what Zappa albums Mike has in that rack next episode.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on January 30, 2021, 07:16:53 PM
I haven't been following them, but Mike has posted on Twitter saying he filmed part 7 of his vinyl collection series and that it'll get posted tomorrow!

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Sorry it took so long for those who were asking/waiting...finally filmed #MPVinyl Ep 7 tonight! Coming tomorrow... 🎧
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsodEQNWMAAsm-i?format=jpg&name=small)

Awesome! Been waiting for the next installment.

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1353926600207839233?s=19

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 30, 2021, 07:41:51 PM
I haven't been following them, but Mike has posted on Twitter saying he filmed part 7 of his vinyl collection series and that it'll get posted tomorrow!

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Sorry it took so long for those who were asking/waiting...finally filmed #MPVinyl Ep 7 tonight! Coming tomorrow... 🎧
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsodEQNWMAAsm-i?format=jpg&name=small)

Awesome! Been waiting for the next installment.

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1353926600207839233?s=19

-Marc.

You're putting words in my mou...post!  :rollin

I do think he waited to film this part until he had the new TA vinyls in hand, though.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 31, 2021, 07:44:55 AM
I skipped over the parts about Slayer, Sons of Apollo and Testament (don't care about any of those), and basically just watched for the Spock's and TA stuff.  He must have missed the Noise Floor boat since he referred to Brief Noctures and Dreamless Sleep and The Oblivion Particle as the last two Spock's albums. That was odd since he is usually pretty on the money with his knowledge of bands he calls favorites, but maybe he didn't follow them quite as closely once Neal departed?  Anyway, no biggie, just thought that was kind of funny.  Cool to hear that all of the TA albums will likely be reissued on vinyl in the very near future.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 31, 2021, 09:02:58 AM
I skipped over the parts about Slayer, Sons of Apollo and Testament (don't care about any of those), and basically just watched for the Spock's and TA stuff.  He must have missed the Noise Floor boat since he referred to Brief Noctures and Dreamless Sleep and The Oblivion Particle as the last two Spock's albums. That was odd since he is usually pretty on the money with his knowledge of bands he calls favorites, but maybe he didn't follow them quite as closely once Neal departed?  Anyway, no biggie, just thought that was kind of funny.  Cool to hear that all of the TA albums will likely be reissued on vinyl in the very near future.

I noticed that too. Part of why I even watch these things is his encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, even though I'm not into at least half the bands he talks about. He was also unsure of some of the Symphony X stuff. Probably a combination of being in his 50s and his brain finally reaching a limit a useless knowledge. I'm a lot younger than him and I find myself stumbling over stuff I used to know every detail about to the point where I find myself looking at my thousands of DVDs and CDs and forgetting I even have them and wondering if it's even worth it. The answer I always come to is 'yes' by the way. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on January 31, 2021, 09:31:53 AM
To be fair, it's not odd that Noise flor went by unnoticed. It wasn't that great.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on January 31, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
To be fair, it's not odd that Noise flor went by unnoticed. It wasn't that great.  ;) ;D

I think it's a good album. I might like it better than Brief Nocturnes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 31, 2021, 10:36:45 AM
To be fair, it's not odd that Noise flor went by unnoticed. It wasn't that great.  ;) ;D

I think it's a good album. I might like it better than Brief Nocturnes.

Noise Floor is easily my favorite of the Ted era and maybe my favorite since Neal left. No idea why some don’t seem to like it at all (including some in the band).
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Post by: HOF on January 31, 2021, 10:40:57 AM
I did think it was cool that Mike dug the Sound of Contact album. I feel like he hasn’t been all that interested in non-metal prog (outside his work with Neal) for a long time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 31, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
I skipped over the parts about Slayer, Sons of Apollo and Testament (don't care about any of those), and basically just watched for the Spock's and TA stuff.  He must have missed the Noise Floor boat since he referred to Brief Noctures and Dreamless Sleep and The Oblivion Particle as the last two Spock's albums. That was odd since he is usually pretty on the money with his knowledge of bands he calls favorites, but maybe he didn't follow them quite as closely once Neal departed?  Anyway, no biggie, just thought that was kind of funny.  Cool to hear that all of the TA albums will likely be reissued on vinyl in the very near future.

I noticed that too. Part of why I even watch these things is his encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, even though I'm not into at least half the bands he talks about. He was also unsure of some of the Symphony X stuff. Probably a combination of being in his 50s and his brain finally reaching a limit a useless knowledge. I'm a lot younger than him and I find myself stumbling over stuff I used to know every detail about to the point where I find myself looking at my thousands of DVDs and CDs and forgetting I even have them and wondering if it's even worth it. The answer I always come to is 'yes' by the way.

Man, tell me about it. The thing I was known for with my friends was my brain and endless bits if useless music knowledge. Now, at 44, my brain keeps locking up on me and it really pisses me off. It's not cool having to spend hours ruminating on something you could spout off like nothing. I'm a SymX fan and I had the same problem MP did. I couldn't remember if that was Russ' first album or not. Sucks gettin' old.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on February 01, 2021, 07:36:26 AM
Some of it is time; I don't know if I can this moment, but for the longest time I could tell you every song, in order, from Kiss' first album through probably Dynasty, and who wrote and sang it.  I could do Maiden, Sabbath and AC/DC the same way.  Couple other bands as well.   

I'm not sure I could name all the songs in ANY order on any of those bands' most recent albums.  I just don't have the time or inclination to sit with the album covers, and I'm not putting them on cassette tapes, lovingly, and listening to them over and over and over.  I find myself here a LOT reading something someone wrote and thinking "Oh, I'll respond with this..." and having to lean over and pull out a CD to double-check myself.   I suppose that is a subset of "gettin' old", but it's different than just the brain not working the same.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on February 01, 2021, 08:05:20 AM
Some of it is time; I don't know if I can this moment, but for the longest time I could tell you every song, in order, from Kiss' first album through probably Dynasty, and who wrote and sang it.  I could do Maiden, Sabbath and AC/DC the same way.  Couple other bands as well.   

I'm not sure I could name all the songs in ANY order on any of those bands' most recent albums.  I just don't have the time or inclination to sit with the album covers, and I'm not putting them on cassette tapes, lovingly, and listening to them over and over and over.  I find myself here a LOT reading something someone wrote and thinking "Oh, I'll respond with this..." and having to lean over and pull out a CD to double-check myself.   I suppose that is a subset of "gettin' old", but it's different than just the brain not working the same.

I find myself retaining less information about bands and albums and members and who played what and all that as I get older. Wikipedia is very helpful for when I need to look like I remember minutia.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 05, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
From MP forum page:

Today is the day!! Well, you know of the 2 different versions of The Absolute Universe available on CD and Vinyl...and you probably know of the 3rd different version on the Blu-ray...but also OUT TODAY is a 4th (!!) version of this mammoth new epic album with the release of my new Drum Cam on both DVD and Digital Download!
Yes indeed, this utilizes “The Ultimate Version” (only available elsewhere on the Transatlantic Blu-ray) into a new arrangement with all of my drum and vocal cam footage, and offers 3 different audio options: Full Band Mix, Isolated Drum & MP Vox Mix and a Stereo “Headphone Mix” which combines them both! 🚀
Available now exclusively from the MP Online Store!

DVD: https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/dvds/products/mike-portnoy-the-absolute-universe-transatlantics-the-absolute-universe-drum-vox-cam-dvd

Digital download: https://shop.mikeportnoy.com/collections/digital-downloads/products/mike-portnoy-the-absolute-universe-drum-cam-video-digital-download
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on February 05, 2021, 02:46:20 PM
Couldn't come up with a quirky name this time?

The Drumsolute Universe?
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Post by: gzarruk on February 05, 2021, 02:49:19 PM
Couldn't come up with a quirky name this time?

The Drumsolute Universe?

The Drumsolete Universe*

*No new beats, fills or grooves were used during the recording of this video.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on February 05, 2021, 03:13:16 PM
Haven't checked out the album but this might be a fun watch so I'll pick up the digital edition
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on February 05, 2021, 06:23:37 PM
MP presenting Megadeth on MTV, this is soo cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWeSwbpQnsQ&feature=youtu.be

 :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 13, 2021, 05:53:09 PM
I skipped over the parts about Slayer, Sons of Apollo and Testament (don't care about any of those), and basically just watched for the Spock's and TA stuff.  He must have missed the Noise Floor boat since he referred to Brief Noctures and Dreamless Sleep and The Oblivion Particle as the last two Spock's albums. That was odd since he is usually pretty on the money with his knowledge of bands he calls favorites, but maybe he didn't follow them quite as closely once Neal departed?  Anyway, no biggie, just thought that was kind of funny.  Cool to hear that all of the TA albums will likely be reissued on vinyl in the very near future.

I noticed that too. Part of why I even watch these things is his encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, even though I'm not into at least half the bands he talks about. He was also unsure of some of the Symphony X stuff. Probably a combination of being in his 50s and his brain finally reaching a limit a useless knowledge. I'm a lot younger than him and I find myself stumbling over stuff I used to know every detail about to the point where I find myself looking at my thousands of DVDs and CDs and forgetting I even have them and wondering if it's even worth it. The answer I always come to is 'yes' by the way.

I'll never be a Symphony X fan either, but I know he is and it's still cool to hear him talk about them. I just get the enthusiasm. My brain has been melting too and wonder how I used to remember everything. Certainly not the case now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 13, 2021, 06:05:50 PM
I skipped over the parts about Slayer, Sons of Apollo and Testament (don't care about any of those), and basically just watched for the Spock's and TA stuff.  He must have missed the Noise Floor boat since he referred to Brief Noctures and Dreamless Sleep and The Oblivion Particle as the last two Spock's albums. That was odd since he is usually pretty on the money with his knowledge of bands he calls favorites, but maybe he didn't follow them quite as closely once Neal departed?  Anyway, no biggie, just thought that was kind of funny.  Cool to hear that all of the TA albums will likely be reissued on vinyl in the very near future.

I noticed that too. Part of why I even watch these things is his encyclopedic knowledge of stuff, even though I'm not into at least half the bands he talks about. He was also unsure of some of the Symphony X stuff. Probably a combination of being in his 50s and his brain finally reaching a limit a useless knowledge. I'm a lot younger than him and I find myself stumbling over stuff I used to know every detail about to the point where I find myself looking at my thousands of DVDs and CDs and forgetting I even have them and wondering if it's even worth it. The answer I always come to is 'yes' by the way.

Man, tell me about it. The thing I was known for with my friends was my brain and endless bits if useless music knowledge. Now, at 44, my brain keeps locking up on me and it really pisses me off. It's not cool having to spend hours ruminating on something you could spout off like nothing. I'm a SymX fan and I had the same problem MP did. I couldn't remember if that was Russ' first album or not. Sucks gettin' old.

Sure does. Have a lot more compassion for Geddy Alex and Neil for forgetting or not knowing stuff and they always were forward thinking and not fixated on the history like some fans have.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 25, 2021, 10:52:43 PM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo of Sea of Tranquility talking his Top 10 Double Albums.

People that enjoy his Vinyl Collection videos probably would enjoy this.

I'd love to see Portnoy go on Sea of Tranquility again as a lot of great discussion between the 2 of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7768Mjbsk&fbclid=IwAR1HrjY-Usc7u_KA9azrTKt1W40r7cf1VbvGt0Jc7ATBhqPU6tatTsArD7s
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on February 25, 2021, 11:36:11 PM
I cannot wait to watch that.  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on February 26, 2021, 03:48:15 PM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo of Sea of Tranquility talking his Top 10 Double Albums.

People that enjoy his Vinyl Collection videos probably would enjoy this.

I'd love to see Portnoy go on Sea of Tranquility again as a lot of great discussion between the 2 of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7768Mjbsk&fbclid=IwAR1HrjY-Usc7u_KA9azrTKt1W40r7cf1VbvGt0Jc7ATBhqPU6tatTsArD7s

Pete and Sea of Tranquility awesome. He had JP on recently too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on February 26, 2021, 04:35:33 PM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo of Sea of Tranquility talking his Top 10 Double Albums.

People that enjoy his Vinyl Collection videos probably would enjoy this.

I'd love to see Portnoy go on Sea of Tranquility again as a lot of great discussion between the 2 of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7768Mjbsk&fbclid=IwAR1HrjY-Usc7u_KA9azrTKt1W40r7cf1VbvGt0Jc7ATBhqPU6tatTsArD7s

That's cool, I'll have to give it a listen soon
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 26, 2021, 10:29:16 PM
That was a good watch.

Not to spoil too much, but I can't say I was too surprised that most of the picks (by both) were from the late 60's or 70's.  It made me wonder what my favorite double albums would be, and of course they made great points about how a lot of single albums nowadays are longer than double albums from back then (since you can fit 79+ minutes of music on to a single CD), so the lines can get a bit blurry, but it's still a fun thing to ponder. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on February 27, 2021, 06:32:11 AM
I watched it. Pretty cool. I've watched many of Pardo's videos.
I think something like this should have been split between vinyl era and CD era, since a TFK double album like Unfold The Future would be at least a quadruple album on vinyl. MP picked Snow from Spock's Beard, which I believe he said was a triple LP. I liked MP's pick for Joe's Garage from Zappa, the cousin of Lather, which was originally meant to be a quadruple album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on February 27, 2021, 08:53:27 AM
MP has a pretty remarkable canon at this point.
I think between his work with DT/LTE, and Neal Morse/NMB/Transatlantic/Flying Colors alone, you have a vast discography with dozens and dozens of hours of creative content, most of his best stuff out there, and I love pretty much all of it. Then you have all the work he's done with JP, KM/OSI, Derek and Sons of Apollo, and the many various projects he's been involved with over the years. All with varying levels of success, but never a dull moment for sure.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on February 27, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
I watched it. Pretty cool. I've watched many of Pardo's videos.
I think something like this should have been split between vinyl era and CD era, since a TFK double album like Unfold The Future would be at least a quadruple album on vinyl. MP picked Snow from Spock's Beard, which I believe he said was a triple LP. I liked MP's pick for Joe's Garage from Zappa, the cousin of Lather, which was originally meant to be a quadruple album.

That might have made sense, but it seems they were looking at initial release format.

You could just take any album that is over at least 45 or even 40 minutes, on Vinyl could be released as a Double.

Why it seems the majority of Vinyl records I end up buying have been Double LPs per many of them were albums I bought on CD initially, but finally have been issued on Vinyl, and they exceed 40-45 minutes.

Also sadly, why they cost a lot more money given it's 2 discs, not 1 CD  :yeahright  :angry:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
He has been a hard guy to like at times over the years, as my posts have indicated :lol, but he seems to have really mellowed over the last few years.  He was obviously pretty angry and bitter the first few years after leaving DT (which was understandable, even if his situation was his own doing), but he seems a lot more grounded and relaxed now.  I am sure of it is age, some of it is the pandemic and being stuck at home and not always being in constant motion (chortle, chortle), and some of it is not only renewing his friendship with, but working with Petrucci and Rudess again (which HAS to be therapeutic). 

I don't see the point in quibbling too much over what is a double album or not. That video was two just music lovers talking about music they love, and that is never a bad thing.  :hat :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on February 27, 2021, 12:19:38 PM
What an awesome video. I enjoyed it as much as I'd enjoy a good movie.  :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on February 27, 2021, 07:23:59 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere. Vivaldi Metal Project ft. Mike Portnoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 28, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere. Vivaldi Metal Project ft. Mike Portnoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA)

Thanks. Didn't know about this. Seems like he only plays on one track though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 01, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere. Vivaldi Metal Project ft. Mike Portnoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA)

Thanks. Didn't know about this. Seems like he only plays on one track though.
I don't know John - he said that he was cutting some drum tracks. He did show the chart that for the song that he was tracking, but perhaps he meant the song he was tracking at that moment. Guess we'll find out for certain once it's closer to being released.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 07, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere. Vivaldi Metal Project ft. Mike Portnoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G892uO6DORA)

Thanks. Didn't know about this. Seems like he only plays on one track though.
I don't know John - he said that he was cutting some drum tracks. He did show the chart that for the song that he was tracking, but perhaps he meant the song he was tracking at that moment. Guess we'll find out for certain once it's closer to being released.

That's entirely possible too. We'll know soon enough.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 11, 2021, 03:56:27 PM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo again, this time discussing Live Albums: Favorite single lp/disc, that could/should have been Doubles/Triples/Quadruples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrhd4Xfnnas
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kotowboy on March 11, 2021, 04:09:25 PM
 :angry: Mike Portnoy is a
















Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 11, 2021, 05:12:59 PM
:angry: Mike Portnoy is a


(https://media3.giphy.com/media/4NnTap3gOhhlik1YEw/giphy.gif)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on March 11, 2021, 05:42:55 PM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo again, this time discussing Live Albums: Favorite single lp/disc, that could/should have been Doubles/Triples/Quadruples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrhd4Xfnnas

Both guys sporting killer t-shirts.  :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 11, 2021, 07:56:32 PM
This Saturday March 13@3pm EST, I will be Jordan Rudess’ special guest on his Live Patreon Chat. We will discuss our upcoming #LTE3 release and more. With over 25 years of friendship and musical collaboration, there is a lot to talk about!
Only on Jordan’s Patreon: www.patreon.com/jordanrudess
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on March 11, 2021, 11:34:36 PM
:angry: Mike Portnoy is a

passionate dog-loving musician who cares about his fans. Pretty sure you were going to say something along those lines.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 12, 2021, 07:50:31 AM
This Saturday March 13@3pm EST, I will be Jordan Rudess’ special guest on his Live Patreon Chat. We will discuss our upcoming #LTE3 release and more. With over 25 years of friendship and musical collaboration, there is a lot to talk about!
Only on Jordan’s Patreon: www.patreon.com/jordanrudess

 YOU will be the guest? What an honor!!!! Good for you, man!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on March 12, 2021, 07:57:37 AM
This Saturday March 13@3pm EST, I will be Jordan Rudess’ special guest on his Live Patreon Chat. We will discuss our upcoming #LTE3 release and more. With over 25 years of friendship and musical collaboration, there is a lot to talk about!
Only on Jordan’s Patreon: www.patreon.com/jordanrudess

 YOU will be the guest? What an honor!!!! Good for you, man!!!

I think he was quoting MP, no?  :huh: :justjen
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 12, 2021, 07:58:30 AM
This Saturday March 13@3pm EST, I will be Jordan Rudess’ special guest on his Live Patreon Chat. We will discuss our upcoming #LTE3 release and more. With over 25 years of friendship and musical collaboration, there is a lot to talk about!
Only on Jordan’s Patreon: www.patreon.com/jordanrudess

 YOU will be the guest? What an honor!!!! Good for you, man!!!

I think he was quoting MP, no?  :huh: :justjen

He was...I was just joking! MinistroRaven and I are buddies.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 12, 2021, 08:01:21 AM
This Saturday March 13@3pm EST, I will be Jordan Rudess’ special guest on his Live Patreon Chat. We will discuss our upcoming #LTE3 release and more. With over 25 years of friendship and musical collaboration, there is a lot to talk about!
Only on Jordan’s Patreon: www.patreon.com/jordanrudess

 YOU will be the guest? What an honor!!!! Good for you, man!!!

I figured that was a quote, but I first read that thinking the same thing  :lol I'm like damn thats awesome, then I read "we will" and I was like uhhh ok I don't think you are in LTE though
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on March 12, 2021, 08:04:05 AM
Sorry, slow morning for me :natalieportman: :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RoeDent on March 12, 2021, 08:49:57 AM
No, but you do make a point though. Ministro needs to give context to the press statements they just copypaste as forum posts. At the very least put them in quote boxes. Or add their own personal smack talk to indicate that it is a press release and not their own statement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 12, 2021, 11:10:37 AM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo again, this time discussing Live Albums: Favorite single lp/disc, that could/should have been Doubles/Triples/Quadruples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrhd4Xfnnas

Well, I haven't heard that yet, but that's an interesting and oddly specific question (and I'm thinking of what came out originally on LP).

Made In Europe by Deep Purple is my number one by a long shot.
If You Want Blood...  by AC/DC
Reel To Real by Marillion
Live At Last by Sabbath
Live At The Marque by Dream Theater.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: romdrums on March 12, 2021, 12:32:28 PM
Portnoy was on with Pete Pardo again, this time discussing Live Albums: Favorite single lp/disc, that could/should have been Doubles/Triples/Quadruples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrhd4Xfnnas

Well, I haven't heard that yet, but that's an interesting and oddly specific question (and I'm thinking of what came out originally on LP).

Made In Europe by Deep Purple is my number one by a long shot.
If You Want Blood...  by AC/DC
Reel To Real by Marillion
Live At Last by Sabbath
Live At The Marque by Dream Theater.

Haven't watched the video to see what all they discussed, but I would also add Genesis Live and Operation Livecrime to that list.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 16, 2021, 03:38:25 PM
Not sure if this video of this Deden Noy kid covering Metropolis on a homemade kit has been posted here, but it’s super fun, and Mike just tweeted that he’s working with Tama and Sabian to get him his own real kit.

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/1371936817394675712?s=21
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 16, 2021, 04:19:17 PM
Not sure if this video of this Deden Noy kid covering Metropolis on a homemade kit has been posted here, but it’s super fun, and Mike just tweeted that he’s working with Tama and Sabian to get him his own real kit.

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/1371936817394675712?s=21

My friend showed me this recently and I thought it was cool how he made his drum kit. Shows you just need innovation and the will power to create what you can not afford.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 16, 2021, 07:21:27 PM
This is all kinds of awesome!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 16, 2021, 08:43:11 PM
That video actually came up in my Youtube feed last week. It was fantastic.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on March 16, 2021, 09:16:13 PM
That video actually came up in my Youtube feed last week. It was fantastic.

Same, I couldn't believe how good he is.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on March 18, 2021, 06:46:55 AM
It's probably been posted before (it's a video from last June) but MP talks about reconnecting with JM, and if he would ever write an autobiography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8tdES8Txc8
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 18, 2021, 09:06:19 AM
It's probably been posted before (it's a video from last June) but MP talks about reconnecting with JM, and if he would ever write an autobiography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8tdES8Txc8

Vince Palamara spent a small fortune with Cameo...he has MANY videos from MP, James, Jordan, Jeff Scott Soto, Bumblefoot...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2021, 11:36:26 AM
I love how he said he stopped doing interviews as he's literally answering questions  :lol I mean, I do understand what he means, but still.  If a journalist wants to ask him questions, seems they can just buy a cameo.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jonny108 on March 18, 2021, 11:41:59 AM
Not sure if this video of this Deden Noy kid covering Metropolis on a homemade kit has been posted here, but it’s super fun, and Mike just tweeted that he’s working with Tama and Sabian to get him his own real kit.

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/1371936817394675712?s=21

From Reddit  :lol
(https://i.redd.it/7ir0q52h9mn61.png)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 18, 2021, 11:43:39 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 18, 2021, 11:44:01 AM
Not sure if this video of this Deden Noy kid covering Metropolis on a homemade kit has been posted here, but it’s super fun, and Mike just tweeted that he’s working with Tama and Sabian to get him his own real kit.

https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/1371936817394675712?s=21

From Reddit  :lol
(https://i.redd.it/7ir0q52h9mn61.png)

Brilliant!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 18, 2021, 11:58:55 AM
I love how he said he stopped doing interviews as he's literally answering questions  :lol I mean, I do understand what he means, but still.  If a journalist wants to ask him questions, seems they can just buy a cameo.
Well at least MP would make some pretty decent cash if a journalist wants to go that route!   :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 18, 2021, 03:44:29 PM
It's probably been posted before (it's a video from last June) but MP talks about reconnecting with JM, and if he would ever write an autobiography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8tdES8Txc8

Vince Palamara spent a small fortune with Cameo...he has MANY videos from MP, James, Jordan, Jeff Scott Soto, Bumblefoot...

Is it a good thing when the artist knows you and chants your name before answering the question?  I don't know... :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on March 18, 2021, 04:41:09 PM
That reddit meme works on so many levels.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 18, 2021, 05:24:26 PM
It's probably been posted before (it's a video from last June) but MP talks about reconnecting with JM, and if he would ever write an autobiography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8tdES8Txc8

Vince Palamara spent a small fortune with Cameo...he has MANY videos from MP, James, Jordan, Jeff Scott Soto, Bumblefoot...

Is it a good thing when the artist knows you and chants your name before answering the question?  I don't know... :)

I still get all giggly when I'm doing an interview and the artist calls me by name, so YES
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 27, 2021, 08:23:34 PM
That reddit meme works on so many levels.

Sure does.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on April 01, 2021, 12:43:46 PM
To celebrate the 15th anniversary of the DT Score show, Mike has released a drum cam with isolated drums and Vox video on his YouTube!

https://youtu.be/eUYi4GwN9sg

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: tofee35 on April 01, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
To celebrate the 15th anniversary of the DT Score show, Mike has released a drum cam with isolated drums and Vox video on his YouTube!

https://youtu.be/eUYi4GwN9sg

-Marc.

Man, this is great. The video and sound quality is fantastic. Good of him to release on the anniversary.

-Tof
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on April 01, 2021, 02:04:48 PM
Wow the entire show! That's pretty cool for the drum fans.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on April 01, 2021, 02:43:21 PM
Just saw that pop up and I can't wait to watch it. The sound quality is awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 01, 2021, 04:49:50 PM
Damn. I was at that show. Life sure goes by fast.

I'll watch this over the weekend.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on April 01, 2021, 04:51:49 PM
Damn. I was at that show. Life sure goes by fast.

I'll watch this over the weekend.

Me too, I can't believe it was 15 years ago
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on April 01, 2021, 09:34:05 PM
15 years prior to Score, I&W hadn't been released yet.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 02, 2021, 02:37:30 AM
I've had the drumcam DVD for Score since it was released but haven't seen it for years. What really stands out to me is just how much fun Mike is having.

Also, 15 years since going to the US for the first time to see this show. Where has the time gone? I think I've been about 8 or 9 times since then to watch the Browns :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on April 02, 2021, 03:18:03 AM
I've watched this countless times, such a legendary moment for the band. It will always keep fighting with Live Scenes from New York as to which is my favorite live DVD. I totally love Budokan as well, but JLB isn't at his best there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on April 17, 2021, 09:00:32 AM
A catalog of every studio and live album Mike Portnoy has appeared on, minus Haken's Restoration EP. No bootlegs here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dedalus on April 17, 2021, 11:06:55 AM
A catalog of every studio and live album Mike Portnoy has appeared on, minus Haken's Restoration EP. No bootlegs here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096)

Wow, it's so much!

At the very least, MP beats us by tiredness!  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on April 17, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
A catalog of every studio and live album Mike Portnoy has appeared on, minus Haken's Restoration EP. No bootlegs here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096)

Wow, it's so much!

At the very least, MP beats us by tiredness!  :lol

It's 99 albums. The next album with MP's name on it will be #100, and it appears it might be the new album from The Neal Morse Band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 23, 2021, 01:30:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

Quote
Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on May 23, 2021, 02:07:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

Quote
Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)

Nice. I really can't figure out why he doesn't start some kind of regular Youtube/podcast thing talking about music. He's pretty engaging to listen to talking about everything music-related and could concentrate on one or two bands per episode.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on May 23, 2021, 02:52:36 PM
A catalog of every studio and live album Mike Portnoy has appeared on, minus Haken's Restoration EP. No bootlegs here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096)

From this list, I have 75 on physical format and 6 on digital...  :omg:
I guess I like a bit his output.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on May 23, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

Quote
Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)

Nice. I really can't figure out why he doesn't start some kind of regular Youtube/podcast thing talking about music. He's pretty engaging to listen to talking about everything music-related and could concentrate on one or two bands per episode.

I thought the same thing a few episodes back. Something like the Album years that Steven Wilson is doing but maybe get more into depth with the albums and/or artists
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on May 24, 2021, 07:50:27 AM
I have 68, and about 10 are on my "to do" list.   I didn't realize he played on an Enuff Z'nuff record...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on May 25, 2021, 01:21:11 PM
I expected Yes and Zappa, but seeing the Weezer stuff felt just wonderful. Such an underappreciated band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 25, 2021, 02:06:20 PM
I have 68, and about 10 are on my "to do" list.   I didn't realize he played on an Enuff Z'nuff record...

He did it sometime during the shutdown. I’m pretty sure I shared a link to a song a few pages back.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on May 25, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
I have 68, and about 10 are on my "to do" list.   I didn't realize he played on an Enuff Z'nuff record...

He did it sometime during the shutdown. I’m pretty sure I shared a link to a song a few pages back.

Here it is!

According to MP’s Facebook post, he’s playing drums on this new track by ... Enuff Z’nuff?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVxqy6Y3NKg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3zZf3zxyFHLp5jqyuDl2ifENriAWLilrmQliGTTpLO40eH7PWp2KEpWSM

Mike clarified in the comments that Chip Z’Nuff is married to his cousin. Small world!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4401291186555156&id=116713035013014&preview_rid=4401673283183613
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on May 26, 2021, 08:33:51 AM
Even though the record bins that MP is showcasing is only for recent vinyl releases, he still can't have less than 7 or 8 Zappa albums. :lol and he even admitted he is missing a few more essentials.

I wonder what Mike's opinions are on Zappa's less studied work, like his classical and electronic/synclavier works, or his less talked about rock albums.
I'd love to listen to him discuss and dissect every Zappa album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2021, 10:05:23 AM
I didn't realize he played on an Enuff Z'nuff record...
I'm not holding it against him.  A gig's a gig.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 30, 2021, 05:05:18 PM
A catalog of every studio and live album Mike Portnoy has appeared on, minus Haken's Restoration EP. No bootlegs here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzA0cfmW8AAM0Uc?format=png&name=4096x4096)

Wow, it's so much!

At the very least, MP beats us by tiredness!  :lol

It's 99 albums. The next album with MP's name on it will be #100, and it appears it might be the new album from The Neal Morse Band.

I have 85 from that list so far and the ones I don't have I'm not interested in getting. Can't remember the last time I listened to that John Arch record either.
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Post by: ytserush on May 30, 2021, 05:11:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

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Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)

Nice. I really can't figure out why he doesn't start some kind of regular Youtube/podcast thing talking about music. He's pretty engaging to listen to talking about everything music-related and could concentrate on one or two bands per episode.

I think at this point, he wants to avoid it if it becomes an expectation. He probably would do it for fun as long as he doesn't feel obligated. I'd love it if he did more too but I kind of understand where he's coming from especially after watching the last episode.
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Post by: SwedishGoose on May 30, 2021, 11:41:35 PM
I thought I had a lot of MP albums but seems like I only have about half his output.
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Post by: darkshade on May 31, 2021, 09:05:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

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Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)

Nice. I really can't figure out why he doesn't start some kind of regular Youtube/podcast thing talking about music. He's pretty engaging to listen to talking about everything music-related and could concentrate on one or two bands per episode.

I think at this point, he wants to avoid it if it becomes an expectation. He probably would do it for fun as long as he doesn't feel obligated. I'd love it if he did more too but I kind of understand where he's coming from especially after watching the last episode.

MP does this to himself, like with the Twelve Step Suite. He creates homework assignments for himself.
He can just say "I'm going to do these "podcasts" every so often when I feel like it. No regular schedule, no goals to hit. Might be once a week, might be once a year or longer."
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Post by: ReaperKK on May 31, 2021, 06:05:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

Quote
Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)

Nice. I really can't figure out why he doesn't start some kind of regular Youtube/podcast thing talking about music. He's pretty engaging to listen to talking about everything music-related and could concentrate on one or two bands per episode.

I think at this point, he wants to avoid it if it becomes an expectation. He probably would do it for fun as long as he doesn't feel obligated. I'd love it if he did more too but I kind of understand where he's coming from especially after watching the last episode.

MP does this to himself, like with the Twelve Step Suite. He creates homework assignments for himself.
He can just say "I'm going to do these "podcasts" every so often when I feel like it. No regular schedule, no goals to hit. Might be once a week, might be once a year or longer."

Similar to the Album Years podcast with Steven Wilson. They come out when they come out but are always fun to listen to.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on May 31, 2021, 09:09:14 PM
I wonder if the idea of a Podcast with someone else might appeal to him more than talking to a Microphone or Camera regularly. With The Album Years, Steven Wilson does have Tim Bowness to talk to, etc.
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Post by: Cool Chris on May 31, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
He creates homework assignments for himself.

 :lol
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Post by: DTA on June 02, 2021, 04:57:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gks_ECSNjxA

Quote
Finally! The final episode of #MPVinyl is premiering today at 2pm EST!
Mike Portnoy - MP Vinyl Ep 8 of 8 (T-Z)

Nice. I really can't figure out why he doesn't start some kind of regular Youtube/podcast thing talking about music. He's pretty engaging to listen to talking about everything music-related and could concentrate on one or two bands per episode.

I think at this point, he wants to avoid it if it becomes an expectation. He probably would do it for fun as long as he doesn't feel obligated. I'd love it if he did more too but I kind of understand where he's coming from especially after watching the last episode.

MP does this to himself, like with the Twelve Step Suite. He creates homework assignments for himself.
He can just say "I'm going to do these "podcasts" every so often when I feel like it. No regular schedule, no goals to hit. Might be once a week, might be once a year or longer."

Exactly. No set schedule or anything, just a "here's what bands I'm currently into" or "let's run through the Black Sabbath catalog and talk about the albums" type of thing. But I get it, it becomes another thing he has to obsess over.
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Post by: axeman90210 on June 04, 2021, 01:16:19 PM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic
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Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2021, 01:38:39 PM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic

What a fun cover! I discovered Dirty Loops last year, so seeing Henrik Linder here was a big surprise!

-Marc.
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Post by: HOF on June 04, 2021, 01:44:10 PM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic

Just finished watching this and was coming here to share it. Never heard of any of the other guys. The bass player is fun.

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Post by: The Letter M on June 04, 2021, 01:45:26 PM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic

Just finished watching this and was coming here to share it. Never heard of any of the other guys. The bass player is fun.

You should check out his main band Dirty Loops. I suggest the song "Work Shit Out", as well as "Coffee Break Is Over".

-Marc.
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Post by: HOF on June 04, 2021, 02:39:42 PM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic

Just finished watching this and was coming here to share it. Never heard of any of the other guys. The bass player is fun.

You should check out his main band Dirty Loops. I suggest the song "Work Shit Out", as well as "Coffee Break Is Over".

-Marc.

Will have to check them out!
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Post by: Cocopjojo on June 05, 2021, 10:15:49 AM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic
Wow! Great find - this is my all time favorite Boston track, so it's super cool to see MP playing it.
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Post by: ytserush on June 06, 2021, 09:50:39 AM
Another quarantine cover that MP took part in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqy6O8no_Ic
Wow! Great find - this is my all time favorite Boston track, so it's super cool to see MP playing it.

My favorite Boston song too, but I like the cover of Jane much better.
I'm no Bruins fan (Especially at this particular moment) but it would have been cool to see that instead of the Celtics jerseys but he's a sleeveless fan so it's understandable.
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Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2021, 08:01:21 AM
For all the criticisms, Mike continues to entertain me with his music.  I just love watching him play, and he elevates (almost) everything he's in.  Joel Hoekstra is a favorite and I loved the "hand clap" part; they well and truly looked like they were having fun!

Having said that, these covers are problematic for me; Brad Delp is (was) an AMAZING singer and is, for me, the magic that is Boston.  So listening to the same overwrought, gravelly vocal (ala Russell Allen and Jeff Scott Soto) on this song kind of diminishes it for me.  It's not enough to just hit the notes; tone is so important and I miss that crystal clear tone Brad had.

EDIT:  Same criticism on Jane; just listen to the first line:  it's sung like he's an hour and a half into a Dio concert.   Mickey has the same sort of crystal clear tone as Brad had and it set that band apart; that's part of the reason I like that mid-period Jefferson Starship stuff so much; it was like Journey and Boston, in that it was well-played, reasonably detailed music with a stellar melodic singer who SANG, not screamed.  I say this to be funny not mean (though it's going to come off as mean), but I have little desire to listen to Dio disciples sing these songs.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 07, 2021, 10:16:42 AM
The weak point of the cover was definitely the singer.  He kind of sounded like shit.

Everyone else was fun, and I liked how they each made it their own, instead of just mirroring the original. 

Good stuff.
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Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 07, 2021, 12:34:22 PM
Really good cover - I agree with those who said that they like that they put their own spin on it, instead of doing a note-for-note copy (*cough*DreamTheater*cough*)
 
 
Having said that, these covers are problematic for me; Brad Delp is (was) an AMAZING singer and is, for me, the magic that is Boston.  So listening to the same overwrought, gravelly vocal (ala Russell Allen and Jeff Scott Soto) on this song kind of diminishes it for me.  It's not enough to just hit the notes; tone is so important and I miss that crystal clear tone Brad had.
I am glad that Dino did put his own spin on it, but I agree that his "tough guy" vocals take away from the cover. That might be the style he wants to put forth (which honestly makes me think more of Coverdale than Dio), but it's not his true way of singing. You can tell during certain parts of this cover (more than on the others) that he *does* have the ability to sing clean, and sounds much better, but he feels he has to keep up that "tough guy" image.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2021, 04:08:10 PM
I don't envy anyone trying to cover a song where Brad Delp did the original vocal.  It's like starting a foot race with Usain Bolt 20 paces behind.
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Post by: TAC on June 07, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
I don't envy anyone trying to cover a song where Brad Delp did the original vocal.  It's like starting a foot race with Usain Bolt 20 paces behind.

Or this..

(https://f1.media.brightcove.com/8/377748811/377748811_6239765105001_6239782458001-vs.jpg?pubId=377748811&videoId=6239782458001)
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Post by: MinistroRaven on July 07, 2021, 04:53:25 PM
As per the latest MP Facebook post, a new album from TWD is in the works

He wrote: The Dogs are back in Town! 🍷🐾 #TWD3
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Post by: bosk1 on July 07, 2021, 05:40:28 PM
Oh, good!  I've been having trouble sleeping lately.
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Post by: ReaperKK on July 07, 2021, 06:40:53 PM
Oh, good!  I've been having trouble sleeping lately.

:lol I had a real good laugh there Bosk.
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Post by: devieira73 on July 07, 2021, 06:47:48 PM
 :D :D Well… I’m very excited! :metal
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on July 07, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
Saw his Twitter post of him on an airplane saying he was off to record an album. The Dogs was my first guess. Looking forward to it.
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Post by: HOF on July 12, 2021, 08:26:09 PM
Yo!! Finally MP plays something with Kip Winger!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2VGO3vTAuB5C_gr39qjF3gpHzLbHlb0hgP-k4d4j2YJLAXC-vGfG_zDkI&v=xGeIX5BiXsw&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: HOF on July 13, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Yo!! Finally MP plays something with Kip Winger!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2VGO3vTAuB5C_gr39qjF3gpHzLbHlb0hgP-k4d4j2YJLAXC-vGfG_zDkI&v=xGeIX5BiXsw&feature=youtu.be

This is flippin' fantastic. Kip's voice is still so good, and Mike just handles the Ringo-style kit so well. Plus Andy Timmons, you can't beat that. Soto is fine in a BV role even.
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Post by: Stadler on July 14, 2021, 08:44:52 AM
Yo!! Finally MP plays something with Kip Winger!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2VGO3vTAuB5C_gr39qjF3gpHzLbHlb0hgP-k4d4j2YJLAXC-vGfG_zDkI&v=xGeIX5BiXsw&feature=youtu.be

This is flippin' fantastic. Kip's voice is still so good, and Mike just handles the Ringo-style kit so well. Plus Andy Timmons, you can't beat that. Soto is fine in a BV role even.

That kicked ASS.  I LOVED that.   Wow.  I think Mike strikes the perfect balance when playing the Beatles, and I'm a sucker for Kip's voice.
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Post by: HOF on July 14, 2021, 09:16:28 AM
I don’t know if She Said She Said is my favorite Beatles song or not. I’ve never thought about it really, but it stands out as one. That harmony is just killer.
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Post by: pg1067 on August 27, 2021, 09:08:54 AM
MP sighting at the YYNOT show in LA last night:

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p843x403/240734281_3006548816332208_6153335098814527783_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=CMYO5mFrymIAX_v-TAX&tn=ZfSsT23eKKrFQwef&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=1b90fd82092cd3b16451acf005ecf68d&oe=612E079C)
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Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2021, 09:13:42 AM
That's cool that he and Charlie Dominicci stay close enough that Charlie comes to shows and poses for pics with Mike.
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Post by: Zydar on August 27, 2021, 09:21:21 AM
:lol
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Post by: TAC on August 27, 2021, 09:23:40 AM
Yeah it was only a matter of time.
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Post by: pg1067 on August 27, 2021, 09:57:34 AM
Another shot of MP with 3/4 of YYNOT (not sure who the guy on the far right is).

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/240460841_3051218281866515_8419920223151375616_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=UHQRElRnON4AX_ClBFp&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=4ff7a367633943fd674827da8a0e8393&oe=612E3807)
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Post by: gzarruk on August 27, 2021, 10:57:29 AM
- Hey Mike, can I take a pic with you? I'm a big fan.
- Sure!
- I'll post these on DTF.
- Get out.
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Post by: Zydar on August 27, 2021, 11:09:41 AM
"Is that still a thing?".
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Post by: pg1067 on August 27, 2021, 11:21:12 AM
FWIW, I wasn't at this show, and no one in the pictures is me.

MP is in LA working on Winery Dogs stuff, and he took in this show.  This is the MP discussion thread, right?
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Post by: nobloodyname on August 27, 2021, 11:46:18 AM
- Hey Mike, can I take a pic with you? I'm a big fan.
- Sure!
- I'll post these on DTF.
- Get out.

I lament the absence of a proper eye-rolling emoji on DTF.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2021, 11:46:47 AM
FWIW, I wasn't at this show, and no one in the pictures is me.

MP is in LA working on Winery Dogs stuff, and he took in this show.  This is the MP discussion thread, right?

???  I don't understand what you are pushing back on or why.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 27, 2021, 03:41:48 PM
What the hell is YYNOT and is that seriously Charlie Dominici?
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Post by: HOF on August 27, 2021, 04:19:36 PM
What the hell is YYNOT and is that seriously Charlie Dominici?

They started out as a Rush cover band, I believe, but they also have original material. I heard one of their albums, and it's very Rush-esque with the occasional direct reference here and there, but it was pretty cool.
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Post by: TAC on August 27, 2021, 04:23:32 PM
Oh ok. So instead of YYZ they are YY.....NOT!
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Post by: RodrigoAltaf on August 27, 2021, 05:30:04 PM
What the hell is YYNOT and is that seriously Charlie Dominici?

That's not Charlie Dominici.
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Post by: The Letter M on August 27, 2021, 06:45:10 PM
Oh ok. So instead of YYZ they are YY.....NOT!

Probably more like "Why? Why Not!".

-Marc.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 28, 2021, 08:46:46 AM
Ah thanks guys.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on November 15, 2021, 01:55:39 PM
From MP FB page:

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Hot off the presses!!! I’ve partnered with Ambigram artist Mark Palmer on exclusive new MP design merchandise
This design is ONLY available in Red Chapter Clothing’s Pop-Up Collab store located at:
https://www.mikeportnoyxredchapter.com
**Available for a limited time in limited quantities, so go grab your t-shirts and hoodies now!!!**
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 15, 2021, 02:37:24 PM
From MP FB page:

Quote
Hot off the presses!!! I’ve partnered with Ambigram artist Mark Palmer on exclusive new MP design merchandise
This design is ONLY available in Red Chapter Clothing’s Pop-Up Collab store located at:
https://www.mikeportnoyxredchapter.com
**Available for a limited time in limited quantities, so go grab your t-shirts and hoodies now!!!**
Not sure I love the design, but kudos for having manly sizes available.
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Post by: Dublagent66 on November 16, 2021, 01:26:57 PM
- Hey Mike, can I take a pic with you? I'm a big fan.
- Sure!
- I'll post these on DTF.
- Get out.

 :lol  more like GTFO.  :rollin
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Post by: HOF on January 20, 2022, 01:28:58 PM
New cover featuring MP for an upcoming tribute to Leslie West. No idea who that is, but it's a Mountain song, so I'm guessing he was in Mountain. Mostly I'm sharing because I am surprised that Dee Snider can kind of sing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3ySMnO8LWvmAjtQLgcU3ioamOgz6HHPcspD_7wOvJkIBPVhzvwiSXcYM4&v=P7OCDWxCLOs&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 20, 2022, 01:42:11 PM
Leslie West WAS Mountain.
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Post by: HOF on January 20, 2022, 01:46:13 PM
Leslie West WAS Mountain.

Not very familiar Mountain (I vaguely remember hearing about West's passing in December now), but the song was pretty cool.
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Post by: King Postwhore on January 20, 2022, 01:47:55 PM
I saw them open for Triumph in the 80's and watched Leslie get into a fight onstage with their drummer.  Worst band I ever saw live.
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Post by: El Barto on January 20, 2022, 02:12:34 PM
I saw them open for Triumph in the 80's and watched Leslie get into a fight onstage with their drummer.  Worst band I ever saw live.
Wow. Seeing bandmembers fight onstage earns enough bonus points to put them at least in the 30th percentile, I should think. "Well, musically they weren't as good as Jackyll, but man, seeing 'em fight was awesome!  :lol"
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 21, 2022, 10:22:10 AM
I saw them open for Triumph in the 80's and watched Leslie get into a fight onstage with their drummer.  Worst band I ever saw live.
That's a sweet story.

Did the fight make them the worst?  Or did you already think they were the worst?
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 21, 2022, 10:52:07 AM
New cover featuring MP for an upcoming tribute to Leslie West. No idea who that is, but it's a Mountain song, so I'm guessing he was in Mountain. Mostly I'm sharing because I am surprised that Dee Snider can kind of sing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3ySMnO8LWvmAjtQLgcU3ioamOgz6HHPcspD_7wOvJkIBPVhzvwiSXcYM4&v=P7OCDWxCLOs&feature=youtu.be

MP revealed on Twitter that the drum tracks were from the first Winery Dogs session. It was one of the covers they did that Richie never bothered to finish so he offered the drum track to Dee and Eddie.
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Post by: TAC on January 21, 2022, 01:44:37 PM
Michael Schenker consistently cites the Theme For An Imaginary Western solo as a huge influence and has always declared his love for Leslie West.


Fitting that MP, Dee, and Eddie Ojeda covered this as Leslie was a NYC guy. And no one should be surprised that Dee can sing. He is tremendous.
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Post by: HOF on January 21, 2022, 01:50:50 PM
Michael Schenker consistently cites the Theme For An Imaginary Western solo as a huge influence and has always declared his love for Leslie West.


Fitting that MP, Dee, and Eddie Ojeda covered this as Leslie was a NYC guy. And no one should be surprised that Dee can sing. He is tremendous.

I think the only time I’ve heard Dee sing is on We’re Not Gonna Take It, and I just figured at his age he’d sound as broken down as everyone else from that era.
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Post by: The Letter M on January 21, 2022, 02:58:04 PM
Michael Schenker consistently cites the Theme For An Imaginary Western solo as a huge influence and has always declared his love for Leslie West.


Fitting that MP, Dee, and Eddie Ojeda covered this as Leslie was a NYC guy. And no one should be surprised that Dee can sing. He is tremendous.

I think the only time I’ve heard Dee sing is on We’re Not Gonna Take It, and I just figured at his age he’d sound as broken down as everyone else from that era.

Dee was on the last Ayreon album, Transitus, and his song was actually one of the better ones on the album.

-Marc.
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Post by: Stadler on January 21, 2022, 03:11:14 PM
Two thoughts:

Nantucket Sleighride is a legendary track.  I like Leslie West just for that alone.

Say what you want about Dee Snider; he's a dick, he dresses funny, he swears too much, his songs are cheap AC/DC rehashes...(by the way, I think NONE of those things; big Twisted Sister fan) but that man is a trained singer and CAN sing, and his voice hasn't lost a whole lot now that he's, what, 65.  There are a TON of guys that at their prime wish they sung like Dee Snider TODAY.
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Post by: gzarruk on January 24, 2022, 12:29:52 PM
Just for fun, I wanted to make a list of all the DT tracks MP has played live since 2011 (his post-DT era) and the bands they were played with. I'm listing the songs in release order:

1. Take the Time (Noturnall)
2. Under a Glass Moon (Noturnall)
3. The Mirror (Haken, MP's Shattered Fortress)
4. A Change of Seasons I. The Crimson Sunrise (Metal Masters, PSMS)
5. Burning My Soul (PSMS)
6. Hell's Kitchen (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
7. Lines in the Sand (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
8. Just Let Me Breathe (Sons of Apollo)
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
10. Overture 1928 (MP's Shattered Fortress)
11. Strange Deja Vu (MP's Shattered Fortress)
12. Home (MP's Shattered Fortress)
13. The Dance of Eternity (MP's Shattered Fortress)
14. Finally Free (MP's Shattered Fortress)
15. The Glass Prison (MP's Shattered Fortress)
16. As I Am (Noturnall)
17. This Dying Soul (MP's Shattered Fortress)
18. The Root of All Evil (MP's Shattered Fortress)
19. Repentance (flying Colors, MP's Shattered Fortress)
20. The Shattered Fortress (MP's Shattered Fortress)

Interestingly, he's played at least one song from each studio album he did with DT except WDADU. Also, he played Instrumedley once with Jordan, Eric Gillette and Conner Green, but that one also has LTE sections, so it isn't fully DT.

EDIT: He also did The Mirror with Haken.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2022, 12:55:18 PM
Just for fun, I wanted to make a list of all the DT tracks MP has played live since 2011 (his post-DT era) and the bands they were played with. I'm listing the songs in release order:

1. Take the Time (Noturnall)
2. Under a Glass Moon (Noturnall)
3. The Mirror (MP's Shattered Fortress)
4. A Change of Seasons I. The Crimson Sunrise (Metal Masters, PSMS)
5. Burning My Soul (PSMS)
6. Hell's Kitchen (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
7. Lines in the Sand (PSMS, Sons of Apollo)
8. Just Let Me Breathe (Sons of Apollo)
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
10. Overture 1928 (MP's Shattered Fortress)
11. Strange Deja Vu (MP's Shattered Fortress)
12. Home (MP's Shattered Fortress)
13. The Dance of Eternity (MP's Shattered Fortress)
14. Finally Free (MP's Shattered Fortress)
15. The Glass Prison (MP's Shattered Fortress)
16. As I Am (Noturnall)
17. This Dying Soul (MP's Shattered Fortress)
18. The Root of All Evil (MP's Shattered Fortress)
19. Repentance (flying Colors, MP's Shattered Fortress)
20. The Shattered Fortress (MP's Shattered Fortress)

Interestingly, he's played at least one song from each studio album he did with DT except WDADU. Also, he played Instrumedley once with Jordan, Eric Gillette and Conner Green, but that one also has LTE sections, so it isn't fully DT.

Well Shattered Fortress took care of 6 of those 9 albums with at least one song each already. I had no idea he played TTT and UAGM (then again I have no idea who Noturnall is/was). I knew about all the PSMS/SOA played covers, though. Thanks for putting this list together! It's definitely more than one might think with all of them listed together like that.

Of all the songs with lyrics by MP, the only ones he hasn't played since leaving DT include "Constant Motion", "Honor Thy Father", "Never Enough", "New Millennium", "Raise The Knife", and "The Best Of Times", the latter two of which I doubt he'll ever play. At this point in his career, though, I wonder how many more times he'll ever play a DT song on stage. With SOA, the next time they tour, it'll probably be for a third studio album and they won't need to do any covers with the amount of material they'll have by then. With Flying Colors, they haven't done any covers (AFAIK) since their first tour. Unless Mike has another Birthday Bash or some sort of anniversary celebration where he's not playing in one of his usual bands, I don't see him play any of these songs again.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 24, 2022, 01:07:23 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 24, 2022, 01:16:21 PM
Well Shattered Fortress took care of 6 of those 9 albums with at least one song each already. I had no idea he played TTT and UAGM (then again I have no idea who Noturnall is/was). I knew about all the PSMS/SOA played covers, though. Thanks for putting this list together! It's definitely more than one might think with all of them listed together like that.

Of all the songs with lyrics by MP, the only ones he hasn't played since leaving DT include "Constant Motion", "Honor Thy Father", "Never Enough", "New Millennium", "Raise The Knife", and "The Best Of Times", the latter two of which I doubt he'll ever play. At this point in his career, though, I wonder how many more times he'll ever play a DT song on stage. With SOA, the next time they tour, it'll probably be for a third studio album and they won't need to do any covers with the amount of material they'll have by then. With Flying Colors, they haven't done any covers (AFAIK) since their first tour. Unless Mike has another Birthday Bash or some sort of anniversary celebration where he's not playing in one of his usual bands, I don't see him play any of these songs again.

-Marc.

Noturnall is a brazillian prog/power metal band which formed from previous members of Angra and Shaman. They invited JLB for a tour in which they played some DT songs, as well as some from his solo albums. A couple years after that, they invited MP to do the same thing and played some DT+ AMOB songs (since Mike Orlando is also part of Noturnall).

And as for other DT songs he might play in the future, I'm quite positive he'll do ACOS in full with SOA at some point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 24, 2022, 01:17:39 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 24, 2022, 01:19:57 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/portnoy-sheehan-macalpine-sherinian/2014/norwegian-pearl-miami-fl-7bc55a90.html

Thank goodness setlist.fm can let you search by song title and see which artists have played that song.

9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)

Aaaaaand as I was typing my above reply, gzarruk beat me to it with a youtube link. Ah well...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 24, 2022, 01:36:40 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)

Ted is such a pro. Knocked that one out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 24, 2022, 01:47:49 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)

Ted is such a pro. Knocked that one out.
Perfect song for Ted.  He sounded great.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 24, 2022, 01:55:15 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)
Ha! Nice call. I don't think I ever checked out that full show after seeing Devin's performance of BMS with them. Honestly, I'm surprised that MP convinced DS to play it given the amount of disdain DS has for that song.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 24, 2022, 02:24:35 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)
Ha! Nice call. I don't think I ever checked out that full show after seeing Devin's performance of BMS with them. Honestly, I'm surprised that MP convinced DS to play it given the amount of disdain DS has for that song.

Has he ever given more insight on why he hates that song? He seemed to be fine about it back in the FII era, since he's also a big fan of Elton John and the song was clearly inspired by his music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 24, 2022, 02:41:14 PM
9. Anna Lee (PSMS)
Don't you mean Been Here Before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZLZpqFNFU

AFAIK, they never did AL with PSMS. I remember DS even made comments about how he hated AL, so I can't imagine that would've made the setlist for PSMS.

Nope, I meant Anna Lee. They did it with Ted Leonard on vocals  :tup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxtjIWxUB_4 (same show as the infamous version of BMS with Devin Townsend :rollin)
Ha! Nice call. I don't think I ever checked out that full show after seeing Devin's performance of BMS with them. Honestly, I'm surprised that MP convinced DS to play it given the amount of disdain DS has for that song.

Has he ever given more insight on why he hates that song? He seemed to be fine about it back in the FII era, since he's also a big fan of Elton John and the song was clearly inspired by his music.

I think he means his disdain for Burning My Soul. Pretty sure DS wrote the music for Anna Lee and wouldn't despise it. :-)

Nevermind, I see the discussion was about Derek disliking Anna Lee. Just saw an interview where he mentioned he wasn't happy with the final product and that's why he redid it as ab instrumental for one of his solo albums. Not sure he disdains it though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Melphina on January 24, 2022, 02:50:58 PM
Lately I've been playing Octavarium (the song) a lot. And man is the drumming in that piece extraordinary. I always wanted to learn to play drums largely because of this song. So much groove.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2022, 02:58:16 PM
Lately I've been playing Octavarium (the song) a lot. And man is the drumming in that piece extraordinary. I always wanted to learn to play drums largely because of this song. So much groove.

Oh definitely. He blew me away when I became a fan. Listening to the I&W shows a couple of weeks ago reminded me of how in awe I was of him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cfmoran13 on January 24, 2022, 03:50:32 PM
He blew me away when I became a fan. Listening to the I&W shows a couple of weeks ago reminded me of how in awe I was of him.
I got to see him at a clinic he put on at a church near my house, sometime between Awake and ACOS.  He had a hand-written Tama logo on his bass drum head because he had just left Mapex.  I had only seen DT live once at that point.  Sitting 30 feet from him, watching him discuss and play the drums for 90 minutes, was absolutely phenomenal.  He's been my favorite drummer ever since. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 24, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
Has he ever given more insight on why he hates that song? He seemed to be fine about it back in the FII era, since he's also a big fan of Elton John and the song was clearly inspired by his music.
I honestly couldn't tell you - I don't have a clue. Maybe due to some of the orchestration or because of the lyrics? You'd have to ask him. Either way, he still liked the melodies enough to do his own instrumental version of the song...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2022, 04:07:21 PM
He blew me away when I became a fan. Listening to the I&W shows a couple of weeks ago reminded me of how in awe I was of him.
I got to see him at a clinic he put on at a church near my house, sometime between Awake and ACOS.  He had a hand-written Tama logo on his bass drum head because he had just left Mapex.  I had only seen DT live once at that point.  Sitting 30 feet from him, watching him discuss and play the drums for 90 minutes, was absolutely phenomenal.  He's been my favorite drummer ever since.

I took this shot at Axis in Boston on 12/16/92. Unfortunately, it's the only decent shot I got, but my eyes were locked in on him the entire night.

(https://i.imgur.com/KmYTvhh.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 24, 2022, 04:10:01 PM
Here's the interview that I saw with DS where he mentions the Anna Lee thing:

https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2012/11/21/derek-sherinian-metalled-out-a-little-bit/

Speaking of Been Here Before, that one pretty much revisits Anna Lee…

Very much so! I thought the music was beautiful and I was never satisfied with the way it turned out on that record. I thought it was too beautiful of a song and I wanted to keep it pure and make it instrumental.


Not a ton to go off. Maybe there are other interviews where he's talked about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cfmoran13 on January 25, 2022, 05:47:57 AM
I took this shot at Axis in Boston on 12/16/92. Unfortunately, it's the only decent shot I got, but my eyes were locked in on him the entire night.
(https://i.imgur.com/KmYTvhh.jpg)
I'll post a few I have from the clinic a little later today.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 25, 2022, 08:54:54 AM
Here's the interview that I saw with DS where he mentions the Anna Lee thing:

https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2012/11/21/derek-sherinian-metalled-out-a-little-bit/

Speaking of Been Here Before, that one pretty much revisits Anna Lee…

Very much so! I thought the music was beautiful and I was never satisfied with the way it turned out on that record. I thought it was too beautiful of a song and I wanted to keep it pure and make it instrumental.


Not a ton to go off. Maybe there are other interviews where he's talked about it.
This is the only other thing I could find:
https://blog.yourmajesty.net/2017/08/29/interview-in-english-derek-sherinian/

Quote
And of course, as an album is often not enough to fill a setlist, are you going to play covers from your other bands (of course we are all thinking about a Dream Theater song, like “Anna Lee” at least if the band doesn’t want to play that song, you could play “Been Here Before”) or from other bands (Van Halen, Deep Purple just like what you did during the Ultimate Jam)?

Mike is the set list master.  He will let us know when he figures it out. I personally would feel comfortable playing « Lines in the Sand » and « Hell’s Kitchen » as Mike and I wrote half of that music. I have no desire to play Anna Lee again.

This was after they played it with PSMS, so maybe he just doesn't care about it anymore :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 25, 2022, 09:26:36 AM

This is the only other thing I could find:
https://blog.yourmajesty.net/2017/08/29/interview-in-english-derek-sherinian/

Quote
And of course, as an album is often not enough to fill a setlist, are you going to play covers from your other bands (of course we are all thinking about a Dream Theater song, like “Anna Lee” at least if the band doesn’t want to play that song, you could play “Been Here Before”) or from other bands (Van Halen, Deep Purple just like what you did during the Ultimate Jam)?

Mike is the set list master.  He will let us know when he figures it out. I personally would feel comfortable playing « Lines in the Sand » and « Hell’s Kitchen » as Mike and I wrote half of that music. I have no desire to play Anna Lee again.

This was after they played it with PSMS, so maybe he just doesn't care about it anymore :P

Maybe it’s kind of like how when Fripp reinvented Crimson in the 80s he didn’t want to play Schizoid Man. Like he doesn’t want to be know for just that song or something? No idea really!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 05, 2022, 04:18:20 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=506157400878936&id=100044540401846

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After 36 years, I finally got to see my 1st Dream Theater show last night! 🤣 It was a wonderful evening and it was such a pleasure to spend time with my old friends again ☮️🙏

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-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DoctorAction on March 05, 2022, 04:26:29 PM
Cool.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2022, 04:29:50 PM
It's super cool and awesome to see him with James and "the other" Mike!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on March 05, 2022, 04:32:00 PM
It's really nice to see MP and JLB together again.  :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Melphina on March 05, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
Now THAT is unexpected. Pleasantly so. What shadowy corner did Myung sneak off to, though? Not a photo fan even with your old drummer?  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 05, 2022, 04:40:52 PM
Now THAT is unexpected. Pleasantly so. What shadowy corner did Myung sneak off to, though? Not a photo fan even with your old drummer?  :lol

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PS - Of course I spent time w John Myung as well...(in fact went to the show with his family), we just didn't snap a pic

Mike added that comment later on.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on March 05, 2022, 04:46:53 PM
 :omg: :tup :tup :tup
Super cool to see those pics!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Melphina on March 05, 2022, 04:48:36 PM
Now THAT is unexpected. Pleasantly so. What shadowy corner did Myung sneak off to, though? Not a photo fan even with your old drummer?  :lol

Quote
PS - Of course I spent time w John Myung as well...(in fact went to the show with his family), we just didn't snap a pic

Mike added that comment later on.

-Marc.

Oh yay!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on March 05, 2022, 04:52:49 PM
Cool stuff!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 05, 2022, 04:55:42 PM
It only took 11+ years, but it finally happened :lol :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on March 05, 2022, 05:13:03 PM
Making peace amidst a war. Those pics make me very happy. Mostly because I'm pretty old now and time is passing fast. Making amends, for all of us, is life changing.

I'm so happy to see this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 05, 2022, 05:16:26 PM
Very cool to see, especially MP and James.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: romdrums on March 05, 2022, 05:26:06 PM
That’s pretty cool.  As Phil Collins once sang in Genesis “They say that time is a healer.”
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on March 05, 2022, 05:33:55 PM
That’s pretty cool.  As Phil Collins once sang in Genesis “They say that time is a healer.”

Great Genesis song! But, yes, perfect quote.
Maybe the pic with James was obligatory and just being civil. But I would like to think that after the professional issues they had with each other, there’s no bad blood on a personal level.
 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nick_z on March 05, 2022, 05:48:02 PM
That is indeed really cool  :tup I gotta think it must have almost felt like an "out of body" experience, finally seeing the band live...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on March 05, 2022, 06:44:14 PM
Yea crazy to think what it's like to watch a band you were a member in for so long. It did bring a smile to my face seeing him there, the little video he posted on instagram was neat too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2022, 06:47:50 PM
Yea crazy to think what it's like to watch a band you were a member in for so long. It did bring a smile to my face seeing him there, the little video he posted on instagram was neat too.

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Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on March 05, 2022, 06:53:17 PM
Great news!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 05, 2022, 06:58:36 PM
Yea crazy to think what it's like to watch a band you were a member in for so long. It did bring a smile to my face seeing him there, the little video he posted on instagram was neat too.

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Get the app old man.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2022, 07:02:24 PM
Yea crazy to think what it's like to watch a band you were a member in for so long. It did bring a smile to my face seeing him there, the little video he posted on instagram was neat too.

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Get the app old man.



(https://i.imgflip.com/67lbpl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 05, 2022, 07:17:19 PM
Exactly.  You're missing out.  Mike has a strong,  masculine wave.


Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 05, 2022, 07:21:04 PM
Exactly.  You're missing out.  Mike has a strong,  masculine wave.

Gee, I'd hate to miss that. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 05, 2022, 07:27:07 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 05, 2022, 08:55:00 PM
Time to start a new rumor!

DT will become a 2 drummer band like King Crimson or Grateful Dead. 2 drummers on stage at the same time. Might be better as they get older as they can split those difficult parts and do them as a twosome.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on March 06, 2022, 01:03:47 AM
Warms the cockles, that picture with James. Genuinely pleased for both.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 06, 2022, 01:10:58 AM
I personally could care less that Portnoy took a picture with James. Friendships can mend, especially when situations occur to get both parties to consider their relationships with others. So I am not concerned or up in arms about them making amends. But good for them...

I am though, more fascinated with his thoughts on the show, and whether he sang along. Like what he thought of the setlist, Mangini using the small kit, and the mix of the sound. And how it felt seeing JP, JM, JR, and JLB from the perspective of a fan.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on March 06, 2022, 02:11:23 AM


I am though, more fascinated with his thoughts on the show, and whether he sang along. Like what he thought of the setlist, Mangini using the small kit, and the mix of the sound. And how it felt seeing JP, JM, JR, and JLB from the perspective of a fan.
Same here, I'd also like to know what he thought about the new material, especially the epic..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2022, 07:51:15 AM
I personally could care less that Portnoy took a picture with James. Friendships can mend, especially when situations occur to get both parties to consider their relationships with others. So I am not concerned or up in arms about them making amends. But good for them...


That is my take as well.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 06, 2022, 08:06:24 AM
I personally could care less that Portnoy took a picture with James.

So you're saying you care?  :lol

I am though, more fascinated with his thoughts on the show, and whether he sang along. Like what he thought of the setlist, Mangini using the small kit, and the mix of the sound. And how it felt seeing JP, JM, JR, and JLB from the perspective of a fan.

I would loved to know what Mike's thoughts were on the show, and I'm sure he knows that the whole world (or at least his fans) would love to hear what he thought of it, the performances, the set list and song choices, the actual performances, and the new material. I remember a few years ago on one of the Neal Morse/NMB/Transatlantic tour docs, he had mentioned that his phone's music player kept suggesting him to listen to the new Dream Theater album, though I can't recall when it was or which album he was referring to at the time, but I did wonder if he had actually listened to it. Has he been collecting the albums since ADTOE just to keep his DT collection complete? I have so many questions!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on March 06, 2022, 08:10:43 AM
I am sure he has heard them all, but I don't see him voicing any public opinion on any of them.  If he said anything that wasn't super positive, it would inevitably be interpreted (fair or not) as being a shot at the band's music without him, even if that was not his intention.  He has nothing to gain by saying anything.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 06, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
Has he been collecting the albums since ADTOE just to keep his DT collection complete? I have so many questions!

-Marc.

I'd say so.

A few years ago he made a post with screenshots of his music library talking about all the mega-epics in his collection and how funny it was that he's played in most of them. Fans went crazy when they saw Illumination Theory there as well :tup

Took a while, but I found it:
(https://scontent.flim13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/49693436_2676653425685616_5954469215233638400_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=eKcgmsHjHxwAX86r2mD&_nc_ht=scontent.flim13-1.fna&oh=00_AT90wYDo4dh23L4ybHAzScKbg8kVjsM4QXOW2T0A2v_uRQ&oe=624AFE45)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 06, 2022, 09:47:30 AM
He might have learned his lesson after his comments about ADToE.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on March 06, 2022, 10:02:54 AM
Not often you see a list featuring Rush, Yes, Dream Theater, Genesis, Deep Purple, and Yoko Ono.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 06, 2022, 10:21:38 AM
I personally could care less that Portnoy took a picture with James.

So you're saying you care?  :lol

I am though, more fascinated with his thoughts on the show, and whether he sang along. Like what he thought of the setlist, Mangini using the small kit, and the mix of the sound. And how it felt seeing JP, JM, JR, and JLB from the perspective of a fan.
Has he been collecting the albums since ADTOE just to keep his DT collection complete?
You know he has.  The dude's a serious collector border-lining on OCD.  How much he's listened to them, and what his true thoughts are, is what I'd like to know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on March 06, 2022, 11:31:03 AM
I am sure he has heard them all, but I don't see him voicing any public opinion on any of them.  If he said anything that wasn't super positive, it would inevitably be interpreted (fair or not) as being a shot at the band's music without him, even if that was not his intention.  He has nothing to gain by saying anything.

Agree completely, it's not worth the headache to comment.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 06, 2022, 02:32:49 PM
I know he listened to ADTOE because he posted somewhere about how he theorized that they had essentially followed the charts from I&W while writing the album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 06, 2022, 02:56:05 PM
I know he listened to ADTOE because he posted somewhere about how he theorized that they had essentially followed the charts from I&W while writing the album.
I remember that.  He said, and I'm paraphrasing - that if it was supposed to be some sort of "nugget" for that fans, I suppose it's kinda cool - but if they did it because they ran out of ideas, it's pretty lame.  I remember he also said he recognized it as soon as he heard the songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 06, 2022, 03:39:18 PM
I remember he also said he recognized it as soon as he heard the songs.
That is true - many assume that he only made the connection after Thiago started posting about it, but that wasn't the case. I know this because I spoke with MP before an AMob show on Sept 2nd and he told me about it then. Thiago didn't start posting about it until 3 days later.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on March 06, 2022, 04:19:04 PM
Video of James's shoutout to MP (https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/t877hs/james_labrie_giving_mike_portnoy_a_shoutout_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) has been posted on reddit. The audio quality isn't that great, but you can hear a lot of what he says.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on March 06, 2022, 05:05:23 PM
I personally could care less that Portnoy took a picture with James. Friendships can mend, especially when situations occur to get both parties to consider their relationships with others. So I am not concerned or up in arms about them making amends. But good for them...

I am though, more fascinated with his thoughts on the show, and whether he sang along. Like what he thought of the setlist, Mangini using the small kit, and the mix of the sound. And how it felt seeing JP, JM, JR, and JLB from the perspective of a fan.

I could NOT care less.  The only reason I'd care would be if I wanted MP back in the band, which I don't (nor would I be opposed to him returning).  Who's friends with whom just isn't something that concerns me.

I would, however, also be interested in MP's thoughts about the material and the shows.  However, he obviously can't say anything beyond, "I had a great time and they sounded great" without creating a total shitstorm.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 06, 2022, 05:28:41 PM
We know that answer pg.  I don't think that's what's on his mind.  It's 11 years later.  He probably enjoyed the moment.

It takes a lot to post that timechas past that I'll post I was there.  Though we know people saw him so...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on March 07, 2022, 12:36:38 AM
Video of James's shoutout to MP (https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/t877hs/james_labrie_giving_mike_portnoy_a_shoutout_at/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) has been posted on reddit. The audio quality isn't that great, but you can hear a lot of what he says.
I just realised that they way James welcomed Mike must have sounded to the audience like Mike was coming to the stage.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 07, 2022, 06:30:07 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/6gDRP8F/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-03-07-a-la-s-09-29-05.png)

 :heart
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 06:50:33 AM
Was thinking last night that everyone in Transatlantic released an album in the last two weeks except for MP. Not sure he even has anything scheduled for release in 2022 so far? I know The Winery Dogs did some recording last year, so maybe they can finish that off and still get it out this year? Would be unusual for Mike to not have an album release in a given year.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on March 07, 2022, 07:21:48 AM
Yeah, I expect that Winery Dogs will be out before the end of the year.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 07, 2022, 10:41:34 AM
2023 for The Winery Dogs which sucks because I thought they were close to being done with it

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-winery-dogs-third-album-likely-wont-be-released-before-2023/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-winery-dogs-third-album-likely-wont-be-released-before-2023/)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 10:49:37 AM
2023 for The Winery Dogs which sucks because I thought they were close to being done with it

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-winery-dogs-third-album-likely-wont-be-released-before-2023/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/the-winery-dogs-third-album-likely-wont-be-released-before-2023/)

Ugh, that stinks. But honestly if it isn’t done in the next couple months anyway, the six month lead time all these albums need to manufacture these days pretty much will guarantee a 2023 release anyway. 2023 will be the 10th anniversary of the debut, come to think of it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 07, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/6gDRP8F/Captura-de-Pantalla-2022-03-07-a-la-s-09-29-05.png)

 :heart
Great to see James acknowledged this in a positive way.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 07, 2022, 01:03:05 PM
Here's how to react negatively to that pic: "wait...is James pointing a gun to Mike's head????"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2022, 01:33:15 PM
Here's how to react negatively to that pic: "wait...is James pointing a gun to Mike's head????"

Nah, just telling him to “Cut it out” Dave Coulier style.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on March 07, 2022, 02:07:41 PM
Here's how to react negatively to that pic: "wait...is James pointing a gun to Mike's head????"

Well if you look at James' smile, compare to other photos and calculate the angles of his lips you can clearly see he doesn't want MP to be there. Additionally if you notice he isn't showing his teeth which means that MP is going to return to DT on April 1, 2025 /s
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on March 07, 2022, 06:22:36 PM
Was thinking last night that everyone in Transatlantic released an album in the last two weeks except for MP. Not sure he even has anything scheduled for release in 2022 so far? I know The Winery Dogs did some recording last year, so maybe they can finish that off and still get it out this year? Would be unusual for Mike to not have an album release in a given year.

I'm sure Neal Morse has a solo album in the works to be released (or at least recorded) by year's end.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 07, 2022, 06:47:42 PM
Was thinking last night that everyone in Transatlantic released an album in the last two weeks except for MP. Not sure he even has anything scheduled for release in 2022 so far? I know The Winery Dogs did some recording last year, so maybe they can finish that off and still get it out this year? Would be unusual for Mike to not have an album release in a given year.

I'm sure Neal Morse has a solo album in the works to be released (or at least recorded) by year's end.

He's been working on a new musical over the last year or so, so that might happen this year.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 07, 2022, 07:06:46 PM
Also, SOA are doing a small tour leg in South America later this year. They might want to start writing a new album after that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 08, 2022, 08:34:35 AM
Also, SOA are doing a small tour leg in South America later this year. They might want to start writing a new album after that.

I'm surprised SOA is even a thing since no one seems to talk about it anymore
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 08, 2022, 08:40:33 AM
Also, SOA are doing a small tour leg in South America later this year. They might want to start writing a new album after that.

I'm surprised SOA is even a thing since no one seems to talk about it anymore

They're doing the run of South American shows that were postponed since covid hit, and after that, there are no plans. At least not yet. I get a sense that nobody in the band is that excited about the prospect of continuing, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 08, 2022, 08:51:58 AM
Also, SOA are doing a small tour leg in South America later this year. They might want to start writing a new album after that.

I'm surprised SOA is even a thing since no one seems to talk about it anymore

They're doing the run of South American shows that were postponed since covid hit, and after that, there are no plans. At least not yet. I get a sense that nobody in the band is that excited about the prospect of continuing, but I could be wrong.

Seems legit
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on March 08, 2022, 08:54:31 AM
Imagine them having basically forgot all about it, with Covid and other musical priorities, then on their agendas and apps they all get the reminder (or the tour manager contacts them, "so, this time is happening, you ready to book flights yet?") and they all go "oh shit we have to do this"  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 08, 2022, 08:57:15 AM
Imagine them having basically forgot all about it, with Covid and other musical priorities, then on their agendas and apps they all get the reminder (or the tour manager contacts them, "so, this time is happening, you ready to book flights yet?") and they all go "oh shit we have to do this"  :lol

"Wait, how did that song go again???"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on March 08, 2022, 09:52:59 AM
Also, SOA are doing a small tour leg in South America later this year. They might want to start writing a new album after that.

I'm surprised SOA is even a thing since no one seems to talk about it anymore

They're doing the run of South American shows that were postponed since covid hit, and after that, there are no plans. At least not yet. I get a sense that nobody in the band is that excited about the prospect of continuing, but I could be wrong.

After the first album this was the case. I dont remember where but Soto even admitted it but they decided to carry on. I think Goodbye Divinity is about the struggle to be in a band in the position they're in. He didn't break it down by who felt which way but I get the sense that Soto definitely does want to continue and was probably a huge voice in support of marching on.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 08, 2022, 10:43:55 AM
I'm still hoping for Portnoy to form a more pure Power Pop band.

Perhaps with people like Roger Manning or Ty Tabor. I even commented on FB to him about it a couple of years ago and he said he might be up for it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2022, 11:05:46 AM
Imagine them having basically forgot all about it, with Covid and other musical priorities, then on their agendas and apps they all get the reminder (or the tour manager contacts them, "so, this time is happening, you ready to book flights yet?") and they all go "oh shit we have to do this"  :lol

"Wait, how did that song go again???"

Seriously, though.  I know they are all top flight musicians, and professionals in every way, but this isn't a local gig, dusting off the classics in front of friends and family.  This is a logistical endeavor, and I can't imagine it will be easy to muster the same level of conviction.  Not saying they won't - see above, musos, professionals - but it can't be easy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2022, 11:07:21 AM
I'm still hoping for Portnoy to form a more pure Power Pop band.

Perhaps with people like Roger Manning or Ty Tabor. I even commented on FB to him about it a couple of years ago and he said he might be up for it.

Sort of his version of Jellyfish?  That would be great, but that's hard, because a band like that is so dependent on the frontman/lead instrumentalist.    He'd have to find his versions of Roger Manning or Andy Stuermer, and those people don't grow on trees. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on March 08, 2022, 11:41:58 AM
I would like to.see MP do a new musical project with Geddy And Alex.  I know it's a Far Cry, but one can dream...  :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 08, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
I would like to.see MP do a new musical project with Geddy And Alex.  I know it's a Far Cry, but one can dream...  :coolio

I'm not even a Rush fan and think that would be really cool
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 08, 2022, 12:02:33 PM
I would like to.see MP do a new musical project with Geddy And Alex.  I know it's a Far Cry, but one can dream...  :coolio
I'm sure that would be MP's ultimate dream.  He'd be able to retire a happy man after that.  But I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on March 08, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
I would like to.see MP do a new musical project with Geddy And Alex.  I know it's a Far Cry, but one can dream...  :coolio

I'm not even a Rush fan and think that would be really cool

Same.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 08, 2022, 01:31:34 PM
I would like to.see MP do a new musical project with Geddy And Alex.  I know it's a Far Cry, but one can dream...  :coolio

Dream...temporary madness...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2022, 02:58:30 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZkYkh76/FB-IMG-1646776586263.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://thesawmillgrill.com/)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on March 08, 2022, 04:29:38 PM
Didn't MP say LTE4 would be happening sooner than later?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 08, 2022, 05:06:14 PM
Didn't MP say LTE4 would be happening sooner than later?
Yes, although by definition sooner could be 2040, because that would be less time than the space between LTE2 and LTE3. That said, I would imagine it will probably happen within the next 10 years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on March 08, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZkYkh76/FB-IMG-1646776586263.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://thesawmillgrill.com/)

Dafuq?!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 08, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZkYkh76/FB-IMG-1646776586263.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://thesawmillgrill.com/)

Dafuq?!

Must be the new DJ Cummerbund Mashup, "I Dream (Theater) Of (Man)Genie".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/DZkYkh76/FB-IMG-1646776586263.jpg) (https://postimages.org/) (https://thesawmillgrill.com/)

Dafuq?!

Somebody thinks JP snaps into a Slim Jim.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 08, 2022, 06:03:12 PM
Also, SOA are doing a small tour leg in South America later this year. They might want to start writing a new album after that.

I'm surprised SOA is even a thing since no one seems to talk about it anymore

They're doing the run of South American shows that were postponed since covid hit, and after that, there are no plans. At least not yet. I get a sense that nobody in the band is that excited about the prospect of continuing, but I could be wrong.

That's why I said they might try to make another album after these shows, which could ignite back that spark. But it wouldn't be a tragedy if the band just called it a day afer that tour :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on March 08, 2022, 06:04:05 PM
Didn't MP say LTE4 would be happening sooner than later?

I think it has to do with them being signed to Insideout for 2 albums (I read about it somewhere at the time of LTE3 release).

Edit:
"THAT SAID, LOOKING FORWARD CAN WE EXPECT THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL, SAY, 2041 FOR LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT 4?
[Laughs] Yeah, I think you could say that. And actually, our deal with [record label] Inside Out is a two-album deal. So we are planning on doing a follow-up. I don't know when it will be, but if I had to guess I would say it won't be another 20 years until you get it."
https://www.revolvermag.com/music/liquid-tension-experiment-how-covid-insanity-led-supergroup-prog-metal-gold
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: darkshade on March 09, 2022, 06:55:51 AM
Well, Tony Levin isn't getting any younger. I'd hate to see him move to the great beyond and LTE4 becomes another Liquid Trio Experiment album or an album of leftovers ala Spontaneous Combustion.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on March 09, 2022, 07:01:54 AM
I just saw that Tony's 75 years old. They'd better get a move on, then.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 09, 2022, 07:15:06 AM
I just saw that Tony's 75 years old. They'd better get a move on, then.

Dude has seemed the same age for so long, but yeah he’s getting up there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 09, 2022, 10:36:52 AM
I just saw that Tony's 75 years old. They'd better get a move on, then.
Yikes! I knew he was older, but I didn't realize he was *that* old!  :omg:  Hopefully LTE4 will happen within the next few years, or else it may be a real struggle for Tony to keep up, especially live!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 09, 2022, 11:49:09 AM
I just saw that Tony's 75 years old. They'd better get a move on, then.

I mean, Jordan is 65....so, while he's not stopping playing music anytime soon.....if the tour and writing schedule remains somewhat the same for DT moving forward they've got maybe three more albums with JR until he's in his mid 70's
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 09, 2022, 11:58:13 AM
Regarding Tony's age, it's impressive how well he's playing for 75. I just watched a video of King Crimson in Tokyo last December, playing "Starless", and Tony was in top form. Granted, "Starless" isn't as fast or intricate as some of the LTE stuff, but he's still got plenty of chops.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on March 09, 2022, 05:44:37 PM
Regarding Tony's age, it's impressive how well he's playing for 75. I just watched a video of King Crimson in Tokyo last December, playing "Starless", and Tony was in top form. Granted, "Starless" isn't as fast or intricate as some of the LTE stuff, but he's still got plenty of chops.

-Marc.

For sure. The dude is a living legend.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on March 31, 2022, 06:55:21 AM
Alright, so after a little research I've figured Portnoy's recorded about 50 albums, NOT including live releases. I've definitely heard less than half of those.

10 albums by DT
  3 by LTE
  2 the first couple Transatlantic
  2 or so by Adrenaline Mob
  1 by Metal Allegiance
  1 JP solo album

I have not heard any Winery Dogs or Flying Colors.

My question is, what are the absolute best of the ones you'd recommend that I haven't heard yet? Both for his playing and the overall quality?

THANKS
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 31, 2022, 07:04:58 AM
Alright, so after a little research I've figured Portnoy's recorded about 50 albums, NOT including live releases. I've definitely heard less than half of those.

10 albums by DT
  3 by LTE
  2 the first couple Transatlantic
  2 or so by Adrenaline Mob
  1 by Metal Allegiance
  1 JP solo album

I have not heard any Winery Dogs or Flying Colors.

My question is, what are the absolute best of the ones you'd recommend that I haven't heard yet? Both for his playing and the overall quality?

THANKS

I'd say check out the first Flying Colors album, some great poppy prog, and Mike's drumming is superb.

Neal Morse's 2006 album Sola Scriptura. It's probably his heaviest album and Mike has some amazing moments on it.

And lastly, while he's not on the whole album, the Working Man Rush Tribute album features Mike on 5 songs (IIRC), and does some cool things on those songs, especially "La Villa Strangiato" and "Jacob's Ladder".

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on March 31, 2022, 07:10:52 AM
I always liked his playing on the first OSI album
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 31, 2022, 07:33:46 AM
Alright, so after a little research I've figured Portnoy's recorded about 50 albums, NOT including live releases. I've definitely heard less than half of those.

10 albums by DT
  3 by LTE
  2 the first couple Transatlantic
  2 or so by Adrenaline Mob
  1 by Metal Allegiance
  1 JP solo album

I have not heard any Winery Dogs or Flying Colors.

My question is, what are the absolute best of the ones you'd recommend that I haven't heard yet? Both for his playing and the overall quality?

THANKS

So that list are the ones you've heard?    I would give the first two Flying Colors a listen.  The first one is my favorite; "poppy" isn't the right word - it's not Justin Beiber - but it is more concise than some of his other work.  The second has a little more free-flowing feel to it, and isn't as "immediate" but it's a solid record. 

I would also listen to some of the Neal Morse work he's done; my favorite is "Innocence and Danger", but The Grand Experiment is solid too, as is Momentum.  (I know the two double concept albums are a favorite around here - The Similitude of a Dream and The Great Adventure - and they ARE good, but I think that may be a lot right out of the gate).  My opinion only, but The Winery Dogs do little for me; solid work, and given what you've listened to, you might like it, but it's not my favorite.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on March 31, 2022, 07:48:59 AM
Alright, so after a little research I've figured Portnoy's recorded about 50 albums, NOT including live releases. I've definitely heard less than half of those.

10 albums by DT
  3 by LTE
  2 the first couple Transatlantic
  2 or so by Adrenaline Mob
  1 by Metal Allegiance
  1 JP solo album

I have not heard any Winery Dogs or Flying Colors.

My question is, what are the absolute best of the ones you'd recommend that I haven't heard yet? Both for his playing and the overall quality?

THANKS

On the metal side, I really liked Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare. I have not yet really listened to Sons of Apollo.
On the prog side, I'd also fill-out Transatlantic, and if you still want more of that, check out Neal Morse's solo stuff.

A lot of people like OSI, but I could never get into them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Bentower on March 31, 2022, 08:30:33 AM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM

For Dream Team, I can recommend Neal Morse - One and Flying Colors - Second Nature.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 31, 2022, 08:37:00 AM
I happen to think the second The Winery Dogs album (Hot Streak) has some of Mike’s best drumming since he left DT. The first one is really good too of course.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 31, 2022, 08:49:35 AM
I happen to think the second The Winery Dogs album (Hot Streak) has some of Mike’s best drumming since he left DT. The first one is really good too of course.

I understand why people might not be fans of The Winery Dogs. If you're a prog fan, I can definitely see you finding their sound too direct or simplistic, for lack of better words. I love their sound, and it's a shame that Richie has what I think i fear of commitment when it comes to working as a band. The second tour was going great, and then he decided it was time to focus on his solo album, just when we thought we would get a third one straight away.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 31, 2022, 08:56:03 AM
I happen to think the second The Winery Dogs album (Hot Streak) has some of Mike’s best drumming since he left DT. The first one is really good too of course.

I understand why people might not be fans of The Winery Dogs. If you're a prog fan, I can definitely see you finding their sound too direct or simplistic, for lack of better words. I love their sound, and it's a shame that Richie has what I think i fear of commitment when it comes to working as a band. The second tour was going great, and then he decided it was time to focus on his solo album, just when we thought we would get a third one straight away.

Hopefully we get the third one by early next year at least. Sounds like they are finishing it now.

What I love about TWD is they are not explicitly prog, but they still bring all the instrumental chops of a prog band to more of a straight ahead rock format. Kind of the best of both worlds. You avoid the kind of over the top nature of something like Sons of Apollo, while getting something more based on hooks and melodies. Honestly it’s more of the Rush vein of proggish hard rock (not that they sound like Rush). Or I guess kind of the bluesy hard rock companion to Flying Colors. They’re just a fun band playing fun music.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 31, 2022, 09:02:40 AM
I always liked his playing on the first OSI album

I almost completely forgot about OSI, but yes, the first one is the best, IMO. It's really the only OSI album I go back to anymore, despite owning all four albums and the Re:Free EP. Don't get me wrong, they're all good albums, but the first album just has more of what I like musically speaking, and I wish the project had continued in that direction with Mike/Jim steering the ship.

Regarding TWD, I woudl comment, but I've only really listened to the first album and while it was enjoyable, it wasn't quite my cup of tea. If you like modern hard rock bands with great musicianship, it's definitely worth checking out, but if you want prog, I'd say even Flying Colors is more prog. Neal Morse/NMB and Transatlantic are where you'll find Mike's most proggy drumming moments, though if you want something a bit more progmetal/metal inspired, Sons Of Apollo is a place to start, and they only have two albums out so far.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 31, 2022, 09:18:27 AM
The first OSI album is great, and it does have some awesome drumming, though a lot of the tracks were kind of altered by Kevin Moore so it’s more of a studio creation than a straight ahead drum performance on some tracks. But that is one of my favorite MP side projects and definitely a must have (didn’t care for the second one as much either though). Not sure if the CD is still in print, but one of the best MP performances on that one is on the cover of Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun from the bonus disc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 31, 2022, 09:44:21 AM
I happen to think the second The Winery Dogs album (Hot Streak) has some of Mike’s best drumming since he left DT. The first one is really good too of course.

I understand why people might not be fans of The Winery Dogs. If you're a prog fan, I can definitely see you finding their sound too direct or simplistic, for lack of better words. I love their sound, and it's a shame that Richie has what I think i fear of commitment when it comes to working as a band. The second tour was going great, and then he decided it was time to focus on his solo album, just when we thought we would get a third one straight away.

Hopefully we get the third one by early next year at least. Sounds like they are finishing it now.

What I love about TWD is they are not explicitly prog, but they still bring all the instrumental chops of a prog band to more of a straight ahead rock format. Kind of the best of both worlds. You avoid the kind of over the top nature of something like Sons of Apollo, while getting something more based on hooks and melodies. Honestly it’s more of the Rush vein of proggish hard rock (not that they sound like Rush). Or I guess kind of the bluesy hard rock companion to Flying Colors. They’re just a fun band playing fun music.

But here's the thing:  I SHOULD love The Winery Dogs.  I'm not married to prog, I'm not a guy that really cares about "genre" per se.  I love Deep Purple, I love Black Country Communion, I love Chris Cornell... all touchstones of TWD, and yet... it doesn't grab me.  I couldn't sing you ONE TWD song right now off the top of my head.  I dig that others love them, and I enjoyed the one show I saw with them (the tour for the second album), but I'm not salivating over the third release.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on March 31, 2022, 09:52:11 AM
I happen to think the second The Winery Dogs album (Hot Streak) has some of Mike’s best drumming since he left DT. The first one is really good too of course.

I understand why people might not be fans of The Winery Dogs. If you're a prog fan, I can definitely see you finding their sound too direct or simplistic, for lack of better words. I love their sound, and it's a shame that Richie has what I think i fear of commitment when it comes to working as a band. The second tour was going great, and then he decided it was time to focus on his solo album, just when we thought we would get a third one straight away.

Hopefully we get the third one by early next year at least. Sounds like they are finishing it now.

What I love about TWD is they are not explicitly prog, but they still bring all the instrumental chops of a prog band to more of a straight ahead rock format. Kind of the best of both worlds. You avoid the kind of over the top nature of something like Sons of Apollo, while getting something more based on hooks and melodies. Honestly it’s more of the Rush vein of proggish hard rock (not that they sound like Rush). Or I guess kind of the bluesy hard rock companion to Flying Colors. They’re just a fun band playing fun music.

But here's the thing:  I SHOULD love The Winery Dogs.  I'm not married to prog, I'm not a guy that really cares about "genre" per se.  I love Deep Purple, I love Black Country Communion, I love Chris Cornell... all touchstones of TWD, and yet... it doesn't grab me.  I couldn't sing you ONE TWD song right now off the top of my head.  I dig that others love them, and I enjoyed the one show I saw with them (the tour for the second album), but I'm not salivating over the third release.
They're a perfect example of a live band for me. I only care about new albums insofar as they provide good music for them to play live. It's very rare that I'd put one of the albums on, though they're certainly not bad. I'll always catch them when they're in town, though, and they've always been great.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 31, 2022, 09:53:12 AM
That is kind of odd to me, Stadler. They do seem like they should be up your alley, and songs like Elevate, Desire, I’m No Angel, and Regret are very hooky in my opinion. The second album does feel less hooky to me, but I think it is more interesting musically, and there are some really great songs especially on the second half. Ghost Town, The Bridge, Spiral, and The Lamb are big stand outs to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 31, 2022, 10:06:58 AM
That is kind of odd to me, Stadler. They do seem like they should be up your alley, and songs like Elevate, Desire, I’m No Angel, and Regret are very hooky in my opinion. The second album does feel less hooky to me, but I think it is more interesting musically, and there are some really great songs especially on the second half. Ghost Town, The Bridge, Spiral, and The Lamb are big stand outs to me.


It's odd to me!   I have more "Mike Portnoy" in my collection than just about any artist, and I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  But I go by gut on my listening. I don't put a lot of thought into what I like or don't like until afterwards, and for whatever reason, those two TWD records just don't tickle the bone.  I can't really explain it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on March 31, 2022, 10:14:32 AM
That is kind of odd to me, Stadler. They do seem like they should be up your alley, and songs like Elevate, Desire, I’m No Angel, and Regret are very hooky in my opinion. The second album does feel less hooky to me, but I think it is more interesting musically, and there are some really great songs especially on the second half. Ghost Town, The Bridge, Spiral, and The Lamb are big stand outs to me.


It's odd to me!   I have more "Mike Portnoy" in my collection than just about any artist, and I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  But I go by gut on my listening. I don't put a lot of thought into what I like or don't like until afterwards, and for whatever reason, those two TWD records just don't tickle the bone.  I can't really explain it.

I feel the same way about the Neal Morse Band albums—I have tried, tried, and tried again over the years, because all of the ingredients are there, but it just never clicks.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 31, 2022, 10:22:08 AM
I really liked the first TWD album back when it got released, but lost interest in it quite fast. To this day, I don't think I've ever listened to ther 2nd in full, and I haven't listened to either of those in so many years I lost count. I'd rather take another SOA album than a new TWD, even though I'm not a fan of Soto's vocals.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on March 31, 2022, 11:01:52 AM
I still contend, my favorite drum performance of his is on

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81SceTMGPTL._SX522_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 31, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
I still contend, my favorite drum performance of his is on

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81SceTMGPTL._SX522_.jpg)

I tried listening to it one (please notice the emphasis on tried), but I just couldn't make it through the first song. Arch's vocals are tough, man :eek

edit: fixed a typo.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 31, 2022, 11:10:24 AM
Yeah, John Arch is probably the greatest terrible singer of all time or something. He has an astoundingly awful voice but he somehow gets the job done!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 31, 2022, 11:17:20 AM
That is kind of odd to me, Stadler. They do seem like they should be up your alley, and songs like Elevate, Desire, I’m No Angel, and Regret are very hooky in my opinion. The second album does feel less hooky to me, but I think it is more interesting musically, and there are some really great songs especially on the second half. Ghost Town, The Bridge, Spiral, and The Lamb are big stand outs to me.


It's odd to me!   I have more "Mike Portnoy" in my collection than just about any artist, and I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  But I go by gut on my listening. I don't put a lot of thought into what I like or don't like until afterwards, and for whatever reason, those two TWD records just don't tickle the bone.  I can't really explain it.
I'm the same way Stadler.  TWD is definitely a band that in theory I should like.  And every time I hear one of their songs, I think "that sounds pretty good".  For some reason though, I have zero desire to seek any of their other stuff out.  It's just missing something for me - but I can't really put my finger on it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 31, 2022, 11:20:16 AM
Yeah, John Arch is probably the greatest terrible singer of all time or something. He has an astoundingly awful voice but he somehow gets the job done!

Haha, what a distinction.  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on March 31, 2022, 11:40:35 AM
Yeah, John Arch is probably the greatest terrible singer of all time or something. He has an astoundingly awful voice but he somehow gets the job done!

 His approach to writing verses is "hey, let's see how many syllables we can fit in this bit right here!!!!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 31, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
My issue with Arch is not so much his voice but his vocal melodies. It's like he's tracking a completely different song.

As for OSI, I don't really count the MP albums as great examples. Kevin mucked with his performance on both albums. I noticed he did not really do that at all on the Gavin records.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on March 31, 2022, 11:44:56 AM
Took me a while to get into Arch's vocals but Sympathetic Resonance and Winter Ethereal are phenomenal. The phrasing is a lot better on this albums than what he did with Fates Warning. I do wish both AM albums would have an instrumental version because the music is probably Jim's best work.

The John Arch EP does have Mike's best performance, specially the 1st track.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 31, 2022, 11:45:53 AM
My issue with Arch is not so much his voice but his vocal melodies. It's like he's tracking a completely different song.

That could be it, but it at least gives the impression that he can’t sing on pitch.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on March 31, 2022, 11:50:09 AM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM
I just watched this, pretty interesting.  MP made a point to say he's on good terms with ALL the guys in the band now.  Good to hear.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on March 31, 2022, 11:59:11 AM
Count me among the others for whom TWD does not connect. I was really looking forward to the collaboration with John Sykes as I love his playing style, but it wasn't meant to be.

I've never heard the Arch album with MP. I'll seek it out and listen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on March 31, 2022, 12:03:22 PM
Count me among the others for whom TWD does not connect.

I loved the 1st Winery Dogs album. The 2nd felt more like a Kotzen solo album than a collaboration. The magic with the Winery Dogs happens live. As a live band, they kick some serious ass.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on March 31, 2022, 12:04:17 PM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM

That was a fun watch.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on March 31, 2022, 12:05:46 PM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM

For Dream Team, I can recommend Neal Morse - One and Flying Colors - Second Nature.


This is an awesome video, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on March 31, 2022, 01:45:51 PM
Count me among the others for whom TWD does not connect.

I loved the 1st Winery Dogs album. The 2nd felt more like a Kotzen solo album than a collaboration. The magic with the Winery Dogs happens live. As a live band, they kick some serious ass.

Agreed. Night and day difference between the first and second albums. Richie went on the record as stating he thinks the 3rd album is much more like the first. Let's hope so.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 31, 2022, 01:56:33 PM
Count me among the others for whom TWD does not connect.

I loved the 1st Winery Dogs album. The 2nd felt more like a Kotzen solo album than a collaboration. The magic with the Winery Dogs happens live. As a live band, they kick some serious ass.

Agreed. Night and day difference between the first and second albums. Richie went on the record as stating he thinks the 3rd album is much more like the first. Let's hope so.

I really like both albums, I'm still (after all these years) not sure which one I like more.  But I do agree, their live show is top notch.  It's amazing to see what those 3 people can do.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on March 31, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM

For Dream Team, I can recommend Neal Morse - One and Flying Colors - Second Nature.

This is really interesting and might be worth posting on the DT side if you haven't already. I find it interesting, especially in light of a recent conversation on here about the conflict between MP and the label for FII (and more generally about the influence of labels then and now), how much emphasis he put here on the decisions he now thinks the label made correctly for IAW
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 31, 2022, 03:52:04 PM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM

Thank you so much for posting this. What a fantastic watch.

I remember that first tour, and opening with Metropolis was freaking incredible. The crowd was literally stunned.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on March 31, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Yeah, John Arch is probably the greatest terrible singer of all time or something. He has an astoundingly awful voice but he somehow gets the job done!

I was really excited about the bonus live material that came with the anniversary edition of Awaken the Guardian...until I played them....


Yeah, John Arch is probably the greatest terrible singer of all time or something. He has an astoundingly awful voice but he somehow gets the job done!

 His approach to writing verses is "hey, let's see how many syllables we can fit in this bit right here!!!!"

Yup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on March 31, 2022, 05:12:09 PM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM

For Dream Team, I can recommend Neal Morse - One and Flying Colors - Second Nature.

This is really interesting and might be worth posting on the DT side if you haven't already. I find it interesting, especially in light of a recent conversation on here about the conflict between MP and the label for FII (and more generally about the influence of labels then and now), how much emphasis he put here on the decisions he now thinks the label made correctly for IAW

Pete’s always a great watch, he really knows his stuff and sometimes gets really good guests.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on March 31, 2022, 05:17:42 PM
Pete’s always a great watch, he really knows his stuff and sometimes gets really good guests.

He has an excellent channel.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on March 31, 2022, 05:38:07 PM
Mike makes a surprise appearance on Sea Tranquility to discuss Pete's obvious pick for #1 album of 1992. It's a solid 26-minute chat. Towards the end, we finally have some insight into how Mike felt seeing DT for the first time. Quite heartwarming.

https://youtu.be/OFTgT08cVFM


That was definitely a great watch, thanks for posting it!  Very nice chat. :coolio :coolio
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: 425 on March 31, 2022, 06:28:00 PM
Pete’s always a great watch, he really knows his stuff and sometimes gets really good guests.

He has an excellent channel.

I've never watched his material before, but I'm definitely going to watch more after that interview.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on April 01, 2022, 03:20:10 PM
Pete’s always a great watch, he really knows his stuff and sometimes gets really good guests.

He has an excellent channel.

I've never watched his material before, but I'm definitely going to watch more after that interview.

Yeah he’s got album-ranking and Top 10 song ranking (often with guests), etc, on pretty much every known metal and hard rock band ever among a bunch of other good stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 01, 2022, 03:22:57 PM
I wonder what studio albums Mike will be part of this year. Aside from a potential Winery Dogs, which will likely come out in 2023 inly, I haven't heard of anything else.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 01, 2022, 03:47:49 PM
I wonder what studio albums Mike will be part of this year. Aside from a potential Winery Dogs, which will likely come out in 2023 inly, I haven't heard of anything else.
He said in that video that he has a few things in the works that he can't talk about yet.  I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 01, 2022, 05:34:17 PM
I wonder what studio albums Mike will be part of this year. Aside from a potential Winery Dogs, which will likely come out in 2023 inly, I haven't heard of anything else.
He said in that video that he has a few things in the works that he can't talk about yet.  I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

Don't think so, Simen Sandnes tracked drums for it, as far as I know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on April 02, 2022, 10:31:32 AM
Well, MP just tested positive for Covid. Hoping he gets cleared before the tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on April 02, 2022, 10:38:37 AM
Well, MP just tested positive for Covid. Hoping he gets cleared before the tour.

You mean the Transatlantic tour that starts in two weeks? Yikes...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on April 02, 2022, 11:08:00 AM
I was testing negative within 10 days, hopefully he has a similar experience, really hopeful he's clear by the 19th.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 02, 2022, 11:09:41 AM
I wonder what studio albums Mike will be part of this year. Aside from a potential Winery Dogs, which will likely come out in 2023 inly, I haven't heard of anything else.
He said in that video that he has a few things in the works that he can't talk about yet.  I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

Don't think so, Simen Sandnes tracked drums for it, as far as I know.
OK good info, didn't know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 02, 2022, 12:21:40 PM
Poor Mike, he seems like he’s been really cautious this whole time. He just posted about getting his hair done for the first time since the pandemic, now he’s positive. He should be clear in less than two weeks I’d think though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 02, 2022, 01:02:48 PM
Poor Mike, he seems like he’s been really cautious this whole time. He just posted about getting his hair done for the first time since the pandemic, now he’s positive. He should be clear in less than two weeks I’d think though.
Yes, he has been pretty careful.  My wife tested positive a month ago or so, and tested negative about 9 days later - so hopefully he should be good by the 15th when the tours starts.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 02, 2022, 04:12:36 PM
He'll be fine.

It's everywhere here in the UK. Astonished neither my nor my (ex-)partner have contracted it yet while we're still here together. Just 'hoping' I get it before the vaccines really wear off.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 02, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
Well, fuck.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 03, 2022, 11:55:06 AM
It not just about making it before the tour - there is probably some pre-production and rehearsals that need to be attended. But given Mike's OCD, he'll figure something out.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 03, 2022, 12:25:53 PM
I think he (and the tour) will be just fine :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 03, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
It not just about making it before the tour - there is probably some pre-production and rehearsals that need to be attended. But given Mike's OCD, he'll figure something out.  :tup
Remember, Mike is famous for having an incredible memory and not needing to practice the songs.  Neal Morse joked that he, and the rest of the band, would practice their parts for weeks before a tour - and Mike would come in and say he hasn't even listed to the material.  It's apparently all in his mind and he can nail it from memory.  Pretty incredible actually..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on April 03, 2022, 02:22:14 PM
It not just about making it before the tour - there is probably some pre-production and rehearsals that need to be attended. But given Mike's OCD, he'll figure something out.  :tup
Remember, Mike is famous for having an incredible memory and not needing to practice the songs.  Neal Morse joked that he, and the rest of the band, would practice their parts for weeks before a tour - and Mike would come in and say he hasn't even listed to the material.  It's apparently all in his mind and he can nail it from memory.  Pretty incredible actually..

I think he remembers general grooves and song structures, but his fills might be a little bit difference. I remember in the documentary for the Whirld Tour, just before the show they would record at Shepherd's Bush for the official live album, he had to listen to the album version of "The Whirlwind" to get some fills right for the recorded show because he wanted them to be just right. I'm not sure about DT music he played live, but considering he lived and breathed DT for over two decades, I think he didn't NEED to try and re-learn all of those specific fills.

For something like Transatlantic that only tours once every 6-8 years, he probably needs a refresher on some of the more particular parts. He may have "The Whirlwind" down by now, but I'm sure learning all of The Absolute Universe might be a bit of a slog, especially if they do the 98-minute Ultimate version.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 03, 2022, 02:37:41 PM
It not just about making it before the tour - there is probably some pre-production and rehearsals that need to be attended. But given Mike's OCD, he'll figure something out.  :tup
Remember, Mike is famous for having an incredible memory and not needing to practice the songs.  Neal Morse joked that he, and the rest of the band, would practice their parts for weeks before a tour - and Mike would come in and say he hasn't even listed to the material.  It's apparently all in his mind and he can nail it from memory.  Pretty incredible actually..

I think he remembers general grooves and song structures, but his fills might be a little bit difference. I remember in the documentary for the Whirld Tour, just before the show they would record at Shepherd's Bush for the official live album, he had to listen to the album version of "The Whirlwind" to get some fills right for the recorded show because he wanted them to be just right. I'm not sure about DT music he played live, but considering he lived and breathed DT for over two decades, I think he didn't NEED to try and re-learn all of those specific fills.

For something like Transatlantic that only tours once every 6-8 years, he probably needs a refresher on some of the more particular parts. He may have "The Whirlwind" down by now, but I'm sure learning all of The Absolute Universe might be a bit of a slog, especially if they do the 98-minute Ultimate version.

-Marc.
Probably.  But if anybody can pull it off with little to no practice, it's him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 03, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
I remember Jordan's Patreon chat with Neal Morse (I watched the first 15 minutes, which are available on his FB and YT pages) where they talked about Mike's incredible memory and their nightmares of him pulling obscure songs out of nowhere for them to play suddenly on tour. Jordan mentioned them playing entire classic albums and Neal mentioned telling Mike "you know we don't just play the rhythms, you know? there's a bunch of notes we need to learn as well" :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 04, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

I love MP's drumming and I'm sure it'd be neat but I really hope not. I hope....IF.....Eric and Diego are working together which it seems like they are.....that it's their 'own' drummer and it's an all new band. Would love for it to be killer music and then a 'new' band to get into and see tour etc etc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Fritzinger on April 05, 2022, 04:00:28 AM
I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

I love MP's drumming and I'm sure it'd be neat but I really hope not. I hope....IF.....Eric and Diego are working together which it seems like they are.....that it's their 'own' drummer and it's an all new band. Would love for it to be killer music and then a 'new' band to get into and see tour etc etc.

Diego once said he'd love to work with Eric and Baard Kolstad. I would love to see this combination.

I wonder what monster is playing bass. One of my favorites would be Amos Williams  :o

I also hope that this project is not an instrumental band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 05, 2022, 05:29:34 AM
Is not an instrumental album.

Eric shared this on his FB 5 days ago:

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Working on arranging background vocals for the new band that I can’t wait to tell you all about!! 😁
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2022, 09:39:53 AM
I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

I love MP's drumming and I'm sure it'd be neat but I really hope not. I hope....IF.....Eric and Diego are working together which it seems like they are.....that it's their 'own' drummer and it's an all new band. Would love for it to be killer music and then a 'new' band to get into and see tour etc etc.

Diego once said he'd love to work with Eric and Baard Kolstad. I would love to see this combination.

I wonder what studio albums Mike will be part of this year. Aside from a potential Winery Dogs, which will likely come out in 2023 inly, I haven't heard of anything else.
He said in that video that he has a few things in the works that he can't talk about yet.  I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

Don't think so, Simen Sandnes tracked drums for it, as far as I know.

Since apparently nobody read or cared about that post, I have some links to share here :P

Here's Eric tracking guitars for that secret project: https://www.facebook.com/EricGilletteMusic/videos/4880315675347487/
And here's Simen at home with a caption "last day of preparations" just before heading to the studio to record a secret project, coincidentally at the same time Diego was visiting Norway: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ0CpdFgieo/

Sounds familiar?

Here's another clip from Simen at the actual recording: https://www.instagram.com/p/CaIOZAcgXp9/
Different track but definitely the same vibe/style as the other one, and those sounds just scream Diego to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 05, 2022, 11:32:33 AM
I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

I love MP's drumming and I'm sure it'd be neat but I really hope not. I hope....IF.....Eric and Diego are working together which it seems like they are.....that it's their 'own' drummer and it's an all new band. Would love for it to be killer music and then a 'new' band to get into and see tour etc etc.

Diego once said he'd love to work with Eric and Baard Kolstad. I would love to see this combination.

I wonder what studio albums Mike will be part of this year. Aside from a potential Winery Dogs, which will likely come out in 2023 inly, I haven't heard of anything else.
He said in that video that he has a few things in the works that he can't talk about yet.  I wonder if he's a part of that new project that Eric Gillette is working on purportedly with Diego?

Don't think so, Simen Sandnes tracked drums for it, as far as I know.

Since apparently nobody read or cared about that post, I have some links to share here :P

Here's Eric tracking guitars for that secret project: https://www.facebook.com/EricGilletteMusic/videos/4880315675347487/
And here's Simen at home with a caption "last day of preparations" just before heading to the studio to record a secret project, coincidentally at the same time Diego was visiting Norway: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ0CpdFgieo/

Sounds familiar?

Here's another clip from Simen at the actual recording: https://www.instagram.com/p/CaIOZAcgXp9/
Different track but definitely the same vibe/style as the other one, and those sounds just scream Diego to me.

I think it's a fairly safe bet to presume Simen is the drummer of Eric and Diego's band  :lol   Can't wait for more info to be shared.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on April 05, 2022, 06:58:31 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/525311352296874/

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OMG this is absolutely hilarious!! I can’t believe somebody took the time to put this together  (and I’d bet there’s even more too!) I guess you can never have too much of a good thing  *ding*

Someone compiled, I believe, every time Mike has used a cymbal bell hit in the middle of a song - you know, when the groove stops and there's little to no music by the band, he hits the cymbal bell and then they launch into a new part or continue the previous groove/section.

I knew he did it a lot but not THAT much!  :rollin

Twitter link for those without Facebook-
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1511501288218972162?t=xNvt_Gq5XmteZufmIGyAxg&s=19

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on April 05, 2022, 07:05:07 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/525311352296874/

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OMG this is absolutely hilarious!! I can’t believe somebody took the time to put this together  (and I’d bet there’s even more too!) I guess you can never have too much of a good thing  *ding*

Someone compiled, I believe, every time Mike has used a cymbal bell hit in the middle of a song - you know, when the groove stops and there's little to no music by the band, he hits the cymbal bell and then they launch into a new part or continue the previous groove/section.

I knew he did it a lot but not THAT much!  :rollin

Twitter link for those without Facebook-
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1511501288218972162?t=xNvt_Gq5XmteZufmIGyAxg&s=19

-Marc.

That is tremendous. I knew exactly what you meant before I clicked the link.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on April 05, 2022, 07:07:15 PM
When do we get the SNL skit of this (similar to the cowbell for BOC)? :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on April 05, 2022, 07:32:39 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/525311352296874/

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OMG this is absolutely hilarious!! I can’t believe somebody took the time to put this together  (and I’d bet there’s even more too!) I guess you can never have too much of a good thing  *ding*

Someone compiled, I believe, every time Mike has used a cymbal bell hit in the middle of a song - you know, when the groove stops and there's little to no music by the band, he hits the cymbal bell and then they launch into a new part or continue the previous groove/section.

I knew he did it a lot but not THAT much!  :rollin

Twitter link for those without Facebook-
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1511501288218972162?t=xNvt_Gq5XmteZufmIGyAxg&s=19

-Marc.

The best is that he goes on to suggest more of them that he forgot. :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nick_z on April 05, 2022, 07:33:05 PM
I was about to come here to post it. Very funny indeed  :lol

(including the "other Mike" nugget at the very end)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2022, 07:49:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/525311352296874/

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OMG this is absolutely hilarious!! I can’t believe somebody took the time to put this together  (and I’d bet there’s even more too!) I guess you can never have too much of a good thing  *ding*

Someone compiled, I believe, every time Mike has used a cymbal bell hit in the middle of a song - you know, when the groove stops and there's little to no music by the band, he hits the cymbal bell and then they launch into a new part or continue the previous groove/section.

I knew he did it a lot but not THAT much!  :rollin

Twitter link for those without Facebook-
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1511501288218972162?t=xNvt_Gq5XmteZufmIGyAxg&s=19

-Marc.

The best is that he goes on to suggest more of them that he forgot. :rollin

This :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on April 05, 2022, 11:06:07 PM
Here's the one MP mentioned as "missing": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sta1NXW2uA

I'd never seen it before :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on April 06, 2022, 12:50:26 AM
That was such a funny video. It's so cool that Portnoy still addresses fan videos.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2022, 06:45:36 AM
I like the title:  "The Portnoy Manuever".   :)

(And by the way, that was something Neil Peart liked to do as well!)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 06, 2022, 10:33:20 AM
I like the title:  "The Portnoy Manuever".   :)

(And by the way, that was something Neil Peart liked to do as well!)

Neil did it ONCE in Hemispheres, and that became a trademark of his.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2022, 10:41:37 AM
I like the title:  "The Portnoy Manuever".   :)

(And by the way, that was something Neil Peart liked to do as well!)

Neil did it ONCE in Hemispheres, and that became a trademark of his.

I was thinking.... I think it's YYZ.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on April 06, 2022, 12:04:58 PM
Very funny! And to throw the Mangini one in there at the end was a nice touch haha.  But I kept thinking while listening, so many great songs MP's played on!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 07, 2022, 08:06:33 AM
The update I've been waiting for.

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Thank you everyone for your well wishes this past week 🙏 Day 6 and I finally feel like myself again! (and have my Mickey by my side! 🐶) Looks like we should be all systems go for the Transatlantic tour kicking off next week!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 07, 2022, 04:00:26 PM
Whew. I'm still impatiently waiting for the Keswick to start selling single tickets in the pit, right now they're still only selling them in pairs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on April 07, 2022, 07:00:31 PM
Whew. I'm still impatiently waiting for the Keswick to start selling single tickets in the pit, right now they're still only selling them in pairs.
Wow, I didn't even realize those were still for sale. I'd assumed they were all sold out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 07, 2022, 07:05:48 PM
Whew. I'm still impatiently waiting for the Keswick to start selling single tickets in the pit, right now they're still only selling them in pairs.

Find a chick you can mold young padawan.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 08, 2022, 07:41:20 AM
Whew. I'm still impatiently waiting for the Keswick to start selling single tickets in the pit, right now they're still only selling them in pairs.
Wow, I didn't even realize those were still for sale. I'd assumed they were all sold out.

There are still 6 or 8 seats right up front, but only sold in pairs for right now. I called the box office to see if I could buy a single and they said sometimes they'll split them up into singles if seats are unsold close to the show.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 08, 2022, 07:45:58 AM
Whew. I'm still impatiently waiting for the Keswick to start selling single tickets in the pit, right now they're still only selling them in pairs.

Find a chick you can mold young padawan.

Or buy the pair and put the other single up on Stubhub in case there is someone else in your situation. If I wasn't so goddamn lazy I'd do that myself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on April 08, 2022, 07:48:24 AM
At the very least they keep dropping the price. I forget what the tickets started at, dropped to $120 a little while ago, and just today down to $105.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on April 15, 2022, 08:23:26 AM
So, if this is presumptuous, I apologize, but I've had to bail on TA in Jersey and I'm shut out of Morsefest because of a family vacation.

If anyone has the chance to ask Mike anything, at Morsefest or otherwise, I have a question that is sort of lingering with me.  You can blame/attribute the question to me if you want; there was a time that Mike knew who "Stadler" was and I've met him once and he acknowledged me, though I have no illustions he'd remember me.  The question:

I'm six months younger than Mike, so essentially the same age.  The lyrics from "Innocence and Danger" have REALLY resonated with me on a deep level. There's a lot there that I am going through at this stage of my life; contemplations, re-evaluations, that sort of thing, and a sort of understanding of my place in the world.    I want to know two things:  have those lyrics resonated in any special way with Mike, given all he's experienced and gone through in his life, and did any of those sentiments influence his recent peace-making with Dream Theater as a unit (his peace with John was before I&D)?

(I'm going to post this in the Neal thread as well)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on April 15, 2022, 09:02:09 AM
So, if this is presumptuous, I apologize, but I've had to bail on TA in Jersey and I'm shut out of Morsefest because of a family vacation.

If anyone has the chance to ask Mike anything, at Morsefest or otherwise, I have a question that is sort of lingering with me.  You can blame/attribute the question to me if you want; there was a time that Mike knew who "Stadler" was and I've met him once and he acknowledged me, though I have no illustions he'd remember me.  The question:

I'm six months younger than Mike, so essentially the same age.  The lyrics from "Innocence and Danger" have REALLY resonated with me on a deep level. There's a lot there that I am going through at this stage of my life; contemplations, re-evaluations, that sort of thing, and a sort of understanding of my place in the world.    I want to know two things:  have those lyrics resonated in any special way with Mike, given all he's experienced and gone through in his life, and did any of those sentiments influence his recent peace-making with Dream Theater as a unit (his peace with John was before I&D)?

(I'm going to post this in the Neal thread as well)

That is an amazing question, Sir. I hope he answers that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: frogprog on April 20, 2022, 05:42:29 AM
Happy Birthday MP! Thanks for all you have given me!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on May 22, 2022, 06:48:57 PM
Here's the interview that I saw with DS where he mentions the Anna Lee thing:

https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2012/11/21/derek-sherinian-metalled-out-a-little-bit/

Speaking of Been Here Before, that one pretty much revisits Anna Lee…

Very much so! I thought the music was beautiful and I was never satisfied with the way it turned out on that record. I thought it was too beautiful of a song and I wanted to keep it pure and make it instrumental.


Not a ton to go off. Maybe there are other interviews where he's talked about it.

I might have enjoyed Anna Lee as an instrumental.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on August 16, 2022, 06:09:10 AM
I'm hoping that with a rekindled friendship with JP, and thus, working together plus touring soon, that these two will realize the unique chemistry they create together. Maybe an incorrect guess on my part but I have a feeling these two will put together a new side project band with a vocalist and create new music again. They are both on the back nine of their careers and it would seem fitting to create something together before sailing off into retirement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on August 16, 2022, 06:21:06 AM
A new side project would be cool but I think it would entirely depend on DT's schedule. That seems to take priority over anything else.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on August 16, 2022, 06:38:27 AM
I agree.

My thinking is that JR is 65 now...the age where he qualifies for Medicare. By the time their next album and tour cycle is over, he will likely be 68. Could he continue onward? Yep. But will he want to? Only time will tell. And if he calls it a day, will DT hire a new keyboardist? Maybe and maybe not.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on August 16, 2022, 06:47:35 AM
Jordan seems healthy and as happy and passionate as ever about his craft. I don't see age being a problem for him, until he stays healthy. He clearly loves what he's doing, so if next year he comes out saying he retires because of the big toll life on the road takes, I would be very, very, VERY surprised.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 16, 2022, 06:52:38 AM
Seeing how long it took JP to finish his solo record, I doubt that he's in for another side project.

And for me, another band with MP, JP and a singer would only make sense if they stay as far away from prog rock/metal as they can.  For everything else we have DT old and new.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 16, 2022, 07:09:16 AM
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't rule out them getting together and doing something with a singer, but if they do I think it will be far from DT stylistically.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: wolfking on August 16, 2022, 07:14:43 AM
Here's the interview that I saw with DS where he mentions the Anna Lee thing:

https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2012/11/21/derek-sherinian-metalled-out-a-little-bit/

Speaking of Been Here Before, that one pretty much revisits Anna Lee…

Very much so! I thought the music was beautiful and I was never satisfied with the way it turned out on that record. I thought it was too beautiful of a song and I wanted to keep it pure and make it instrumental.


Not a ton to go off. Maybe there are other interviews where he's talked about it.

I might have enjoyed Anna Lee as an instrumental.

I might have enjoyed Anna Lee if it never existed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on August 16, 2022, 07:14:57 AM
If so, would they go full on metal or prog? No prog metal then, it would be too close to DT. Can't see them doing the acoustic thing that JLB have just done.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on August 16, 2022, 08:45:13 AM
I think a DT reunion is much more likely to happen than a new side project from them, and that is highly unlikely unless MM steps down anyway. Let's not forget that LTE signed a two album contract and they still have to make that 2nd one. I also imagine they would like to tour at some point, when their schedules allow them to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 16, 2022, 09:03:38 AM
I think a DT reunion is much more likely to happen than a new side project from them, and that is highly unlikely unless MM steps down anyway. Let's not forget that LTE signed a two album contract and they still have to make that 2nd one. I also imagine they would like to tour at some point, when their schedules allow them to.

Yeah, I think LTE makes more sense as a collaborative project for MP and JP than a new band. Though Tony is getting up there in age, so maybe not too much longer.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on August 16, 2022, 09:54:35 AM
I think a DT reunion is much more likely to happen than a new side project from them, and that is highly unlikely unless MM steps down anyway. Let's not forget that LTE signed a two album contract and they still have to make that 2nd one. I also imagine they would like to tour at some point, when their schedules allow them to.

Yeah, I think LTE makes more sense as a collaborative project for MP and JP than a new band. Though Tony is getting up there in age, so maybe not too much longer.

They could always get JM if Tony retires ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 16, 2022, 10:38:09 AM
I think a DT reunion is much more likely to happen than a new side project from them, and that is highly unlikely unless MM steps down anyway. Let's not forget that LTE signed a two album contract and they still have to make that 2nd one. I also imagine they would like to tour at some point, when their schedules allow them to.

Yeah, I think LTE makes more sense as a collaborative project for MP and JP than a new band. Though Tony is getting up there in age, so maybe not too much longer.

They could always get JM if Tony retires ;)

Now you’re talking!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 16, 2022, 11:26:56 AM
I think a DT reunion is much more likely to happen than a new side project from them, and that is highly unlikely unless MM steps down anyway. Let's not forget that LTE signed a two album contract and they still have to make that 2nd one. I also imagine they would like to tour at some point, when their schedules allow them to.

Yeah, I think LTE makes more sense as a collaborative project for MP and JP than a new band. Though Tony is getting up there in age, so maybe not too much longer.

They could always get JM if Tony retires ;)

Now you’re talking!
I agree with both of you, we'll see more LTE.

As for JR.  I would say he's a young 65 and I too don't see him retiring any time soon.  I mean, he has a few months off from DT touring, and what does he do?  He goes on a solo tour across the US.  I'd say he's got a good 10 years left in him at this level.  That's my gut instinct.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on August 17, 2022, 08:14:01 PM
In the latest Inner Circle release, there's a video of the Neal Morse Band (minus Randy) doing Back in the USSR with Neal on drums and Mike on bass, with both of them sharing vocals. It's pretty cool.

Mike jokingly says that it's because Neal had to play the drums because Paul McCartney plays drums on this track, which I never knew! :o
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on August 17, 2022, 08:20:40 PM
In the latest Inner Circle release, there's a video of the Neal Morse Band (minus Randy) doing Back in the USSR with Neal on drums and Mike on bass, with both of them sharing vocals. It's pretty cool.

Mike jokingly says that it's because Neal had to play the drums because Paul McCartney plays drums on this track, which I never knew! :o

Yep, Paul played drums on a couple of tracks on The Beatles when Ringo "quit" the band for a hot minute during those sessions.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 18, 2022, 10:27:49 AM
In the latest Inner Circle release, there's a video of the Neal Morse Band (minus Randy) doing Back in the USSR with Neal on drums and Mike on bass, with both of them sharing vocals. It's pretty cool.

Mike jokingly says that it's because Neal had to play the drums because Paul McCartney plays drums on this track, which I never knew! :o

Yep, Paul played drums on a couple of tracks on The Beatles when Ringo "quit" the band for a hot minute during those sessions.

-Marc.

Sorry to be "that guy", haha, but he did it on other occasions as well.  John came in the studio all gung-ho to record "The Ballad Of John And Yoko", and George was on holiday and Ringo was filming a movie.  Famously, in one of the latter day examples of John and Paul working together despite the business disagreements between them, the two of them set down and recorded that number almost entirely between the two of them, including Paul on drums.

I don't usually let the outside stuff influence what I like and don't like but that story has really increased my appreciation for that song.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 18, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
I think a DT reunion is much more likely to happen than a new side project from them, and that is highly unlikely unless MM steps down anyway. Let's not forget that LTE signed a two album contract and they still have to make that 2nd one. I also imagine they would like to tour at some point, when their schedules allow them to.

Yeah, I think LTE makes more sense as a collaborative project for MP and JP than a new band. Though Tony is getting up there in age, so maybe not too much longer.

They could always get JM if Tony retires ;)

Now you’re talking!
I agree with both of you, we'll see more LTE.

As for JR.  I would say he's a young 65 and I too don't see him retiring any time soon.  I mean, he has a few months off from DT touring, and what does he do?  He goes on a solo tour across the US.  I'd say he's got a good 10 years left in him at this level.  That's my gut instinct.

I agree with what you are saying about Jordan.  He certainly could realistically be looking to retire or scale back sometime soon.  But I wouldn't bet on it simply because of his age.  People were saying similar things 10 years ago.  "He's 55!  He probably won't be doing this too much longer."  But he's still going.  And others who are older are still going as well. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2022, 08:38:36 AM
I would be shocked if JP and MP did a side project with a vocalist.

Of course, I've been shocked before lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 19, 2022, 10:37:49 AM
I wouldn't.  I would be shocked if it was JP putting it together.  But I could absolutely see MP putting a project together, and JP saying, "yeah, OK, I'll play guitar on that."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 19, 2022, 11:14:15 AM
I wouldn't.  I would be shocked if it was JP putting it together.  But I could absolutely see MP putting a project together, and JP saying, "yeah, OK, I'll play guitar on that."

Agreed. It was pretty obvious to me that MP always wanted to bring on another vocalist for DT. And now that MP himself is out of DT, nothing is really to stop he and JP from working with a different singer they admire. Especially if said band is mostly a studio project due to JP's touring commitments with DT and MP's usual hectic schedule.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 19, 2022, 12:03:53 PM
I wouldn't.  I would be shocked if it was JP putting it together.  But I could absolutely see MP putting a project together, and JP saying, "yeah, OK, I'll play guitar on that."

Agreed. It was pretty obvious to me that MP always wanted to bring on another vocalist for DT. And now that MP himself is out of DT, nothing is really to stop he and JP from working with a different singer they admire. Especially if said band is mostly a studio project due to JP's touring commitments with DT and MP's usual hectic schedule.
And if stylistically it's far far from DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on August 19, 2022, 12:07:54 PM
They would be fantastic if they went straight-up rock. 4 minute songs. Ass-kicking riffs and a new youthful vocalist with a unique, distinctive voice...yet undiscovered. Something along the lines of VH.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 19, 2022, 12:19:33 PM
I am sure in this very hypothetical discussion, JP would want some distance between what DT does and what this again, very hypothetical band with MP would be. But not as much as you think. I am sure it would have prog elements in it. That's who they are. But something a bit more straightforward? Absolutely.

Imagine a record with 10 five-minute bangers, a 10-minute opus, and then a slower, six or seven minute track. Maybe a band with a singer like Matt Barlow, and a second guitarist instead of keyboardist. It would be a LOT of fun, and I have to think, DT fans from back in the day would be overjoyed to have MP and JP back in a real band with a singer that would do some touring (just not as much as DT does).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 19, 2022, 12:23:20 PM

And if stylistically it's far far from DT.

They would be fantastic if they went straight-up rock. 4 minute songs. Ass-kicking riffs and a new youthful vocalist with a unique, distinctive voice...yet undiscovered. Something along the lines of VH.

You know, JP really hasn't done much as a recording artist outside of the prog-metal sphere. I think the JP and JR concert is the most non-metal CD he's ever been involved in. 
 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 19, 2022, 12:25:32 PM
Heh, you know JP, MP, and Kip Winger would be an awesome power trio.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 19, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
Heh, you know JP, MP, and Kip Winger would be an awesome power trio.

Well, at least with Kip they'd have a great songwriter among the three of them.  :o
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 19, 2022, 03:32:34 PM
Heh, you know JP, MP, and Kip Winger would be an awesome power trio.

Well, at least with Kip they'd have a great songwriter among the three of them.  :o

 :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 19, 2022, 06:31:56 PM
Heh, you know JP, MP, and Kip Winger would be an awesome power trio.

Well, at least with Kip they'd have a great songwriter among the three of them.  :o

My math was off.  I was at only seventeen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on August 20, 2022, 04:06:49 PM
Heh, you know JP, MP, and Kip Winger would be an awesome power trio.

Well, at least with Kip they'd have a great songwriter among the three of them.  :o

My math was off.  I was at only seventeen.

Don’t get your hopes up, or you’ll be headed for a heartbreak.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 30, 2022, 09:27:10 PM
I wonder how Carvana managed to get Mike Portnoy to appear in this commercial?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLUrfaCa3ck
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 31, 2022, 08:55:45 PM
 :yarr
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on September 01, 2022, 08:18:11 AM
Heh, you know JP, MP, and Kip Winger would be an awesome power trio.

Well, at least with Kip they'd have a great songwriter among the three of them.  :o

My math was off.  I was at only seventeen.

Trying to come up with a witty response that incorporates the songs Blind Revolution Mad, Who's the One and a host of other incredible tunes, but alas, cheeky humor is not my forte.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 04, 2022, 09:46:33 PM
MP posted this from RIR

(https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/305042813_626157198878955_8625480641560638542_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=4nUGOebVoZoAX_Fw3il&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=00_AT-gftvo1BnhGaRmsZIXmihgvwuVBoGS544NdQ48WsZTfg&oe=631A9C3B)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 04, 2022, 10:06:05 PM
I saw this pic on his insta and thought it was pretty cool (https://fullinbloom.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/mikeportnoypostmalone-2-1024x768.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2022, 12:48:28 PM
Who's the fucking dude with all the tattoos on his face??
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 05, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
Who's the fucking dude with all the tattoos on his face??

From MP's FB post:
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This pic deserves its own post as it’s so cool, random and unexpected…pretty crazy to be in the artist pit at Rock in Rio watching Iron Maiden and looking over my shoulder to see Post Malone rocking out next to me! I always figured he was a cool dude when I saw his knuckle tats paying tribute to misc dead rockers (Dimebag, Cobain, Lennon, Harrison, SRV, etc)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2022, 02:04:38 PM
Ok then. Now...who is Post Malone?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 05, 2022, 02:18:17 PM
Ok then. Now...who is Post Malone?

From Wikipedia:

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Austin Richard Post (born July 4, 1995), known professionally as Post Malone, is an American musician, rapper, singer, songwriter, and record producer. Known for his variegated vocals, Malone has gained acclaim for blending genres and subgenres of hip hop, pop, R&B, and trap. His stage name was derived from inputting his birth name into a rap name generator.

He's a fairly popular/well-known musical artist, but I don't expect rockers/proggers/older music fans to know him or his work. I only know about him from younger friends and things I've seen online about him.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 05, 2022, 02:33:05 PM
Ok then. Now...who is Post Malone?

While I'm sure you'll disagree he actually has some pretty solid songs, one of the bigger hits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7KLL-crH2Q
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 05, 2022, 02:53:19 PM
He's an odd duck. He does the hip hop whatever stuff, but didn't he also do a live stream of him covering an entire Nirvana album or something?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 05, 2022, 02:55:48 PM
I don't know if he covered all of Nevermind but yea he did a live stream of it a little while back. He is definitely an odd dude.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 05, 2022, 03:06:48 PM
Also did a video attempting to play Eric Johnson’s Cliffs of Dover. Interesting guy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 05, 2022, 03:26:42 PM
Cool. I don't know him. Thank you!



He's a fairly popular/well-known musical artist, but I don't expect rockers/proggers/older music fans to know him or his work. I only know about him from younger friends and things I've seen online about him.

I saw what you did there. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 06, 2022, 07:55:10 AM
Ok then. Now...who is Post Malone?

There's a song on the last Ozzy album with him.  The rap you can have, but the dude has some rock talent.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on September 06, 2022, 08:05:08 AM
For what is worth, I believe Post Malone was in a metal/rock band before switching to hip hop.

Talented dude, I just don't personally care for his music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CVroJ8ovmc (He's the guitar player on the right).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on September 06, 2022, 10:49:29 AM
I have to admit that I thought the cool thing about the photo was that Portnoy was enjoying the show in the crowd and took the happy photo with some random Brazilian fan... :lol
Yes, but I already had heard of Post Malone.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ErHaO on September 06, 2022, 11:58:29 AM
Post Malone is massive, as in number 1 pop hits world wide massive.

There is one song of his I really enjoy, but overall it's not for me. Seems like a chill dude though. Over the years he has appeared as a guest in many youtube vids I watched.

And his quarantine Nirvana set was great.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on September 06, 2022, 12:10:30 PM
I read on Blabbermouth this morning a transcription of some comments JLB made about he and MP moving forward. SO nice to see. What's happening is exactly what I had hoped. The two took the bullshit from the past, and got past it. I'm not saying that a DT reunion with MP is coming. I don't believe that will happen unless MM decides he doesn't want to be in the band. They all love Mangini and he's been great with DT. But it is so nice to see the love.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 06, 2022, 01:05:43 PM
I read on Blabbermouth this morning a transcription of some comments JLB made about he and MP moving forward. SO nice to see. What's happening is exactly what I had hoped. The two took the bullshit from the past, and got past it. I'm not saying that a DT reunion with MP is coming. I don't believe that will happen unless MM decides he doesn't want to be in the band. They all love Mangini and he's been great with DT. But it is so nice to see the love.

I don’t think MP would ever become the full time drummer again, not sure he would even if MM up and quiet tomorrow. But it feels like relationships with the band are such that if, say, they wanted to do a an especially special concert for the 40th anniversary of DT in 2025, I could see MP being asked to perform a few songs with the band. Maybe even have a 2-drummer set up with a dueling drum solo or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 06, 2022, 01:09:24 PM
I read on Blabbermouth this morning a transcription of some comments JLB made about he and MP moving forward. SO nice to see. What's happening is exactly what I had hoped. The two took the bullshit from the past, and got past it. I'm not saying that a DT reunion with MP is coming. I don't believe that will happen unless MM decides he doesn't want to be in the band. They all love Mangini and he's been great with DT. But it is so nice to see the love.

I don’t think MP would ever become the full time drummer again, not sure he would even if MM up and quiet tomorrow. But it feels like relationships with the band are such that if, say, they wanted to do a an especially special concert for the 40th anniversary of DT in 2025, I could see MP being asked to perform a few songs with the band. Maybe even have a 2-drummer set up with a dueling drum solo or something.

Is this the "quiet quitting" I keep hearing about in the news/media?  :lol

But yes, I agree, if they plan a special anniversary concert in a couple of years, I'm sure MP would be more than willing to play a song or two, or even a full show. It would be an insanely awesome set to see both Mikes up on stage jamming out together! I'd love to see them play "Metropolis" and "A Change Of Seasons" together, if only because then they could cover the over-dubbed drum parts on both songs live!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 06, 2022, 01:33:35 PM
Post Malone is massive, as in number 1 pop hits world wide massive.

There is one song of his I really enjoy, but overall it's not for me. Seems like a chill dude though. Over the years he has appeared as a guest in many youtube vids I watched.

And his quarantine Nirvana set was great.

Please check this out:  https://youtu.be/SeOeYGBA49s
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ErHaO on September 07, 2022, 09:58:08 AM
Post Malone is massive, as in number 1 pop hits world wide massive.

There is one song of his I really enjoy, but overall it's not for me. Seems like a chill dude though. Over the years he has appeared as a guest in many youtube vids I watched.

And his quarantine Nirvana set was great.

Please check this out:  https://youtu.be/SeOeYGBA49s

 :tup

Nice, dude is talented and has passion for the music for sure.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SeRoX on October 27, 2022, 07:42:36 AM
(https://scontent.fsaw1-11.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/312924755_8726353060708906_8200347251934295569_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=ZuOOtwtCpvcAX9DWJyy&_nc_ht=scontent.fsaw1-11.fna&oh=00_AfDFJqIEfpeq0P_eJ_fKO1V0a0S8nGGMjfaaDk_TLf5j5Q&oe=635EE6CC)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 27, 2022, 07:44:43 AM
Wow, LOL.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on October 27, 2022, 08:29:50 AM
I wouldn't keep my hopes up for the third Sons of Apollo album.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on October 27, 2022, 08:46:05 AM
What prompted Mike's post?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 27, 2022, 08:53:14 AM
What prompted Mike's post?

He was quoting another prog website’s FB post about the anniversary of SFAM and they mentioned that the album had grown out of the demos done during the FII sessions.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on October 27, 2022, 08:59:40 AM
I expect DT to be above this level of nonsense . . . everyone knows Derek was in on those sessions; why in hell didn't they credit him? Lame.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTA on October 27, 2022, 09:02:12 AM
He definitely should’ve been compensated but that seems like a 1999/2000 discussion rather than a 2022 Facebook post. This guy must enjoy burning bridges
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on October 27, 2022, 09:07:35 AM
Two things:

1. Are we sure that's actually DS behind that post? I thought artists usually get a blue checkmark on facebook (like MP has)

2. He's not wrong. I was very surprised hearing the original demo for Met Pt 2 on the FII demos, as a LOT of the keyboard stuff on the final album was ripped right from it, including solos.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 27, 2022, 09:16:37 AM
Two things:

1. Are we sure that's actually DS behind that post? I thought artists usually get a blue checkmark on facebook (like MP has)

2. He's not wrong. I was very surprised hearing the original demo for Met Pt 2 on the FII demos, as a LOT of the keyboard stuff on the final album was ripped right from it, including solos.

That does appear to be Derek’s official page, though he doesn't have a blue checkmark. I suspect it could be a bit tongue in cheek, or at least I can sort of see Derek doing that as a joke.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2022, 09:38:16 AM
I'm pretty sure they have each others' numbers at this point.  I'm not reading a bunch into a couple quick Facechat posts.   (Though "#screwjob" is funny.). Oh, and just because it was played in a similar or even the same way on the FII demos doesn't mean Derek WROTE it, even if it was a "jam".
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2022, 09:40:59 AM
I'm not a fan of DS, but if that's all true then he does deserve his credit.  But coming to facebook with this at this time just seems odd to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2022, 09:43:07 AM
I'm not a fan of DS, but if that's all true then he does deserve his credit.  But coming to facebook with this at this time just seems odd to me.

I'm with you if it's true; a lot of bands go back and retroactive things to be right; most of the songs from the first Marillion album - originally credited to Dick/Kelly/Pointer/Rothery/Trewavas now have Brian Jelliman and/or Diz Minnitt (early keyboard and bass players) credited. It's a similar situation, just with the first album, not one later in their career.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on October 27, 2022, 10:42:40 AM
Why Derek decided to post is beyond me - he seems to still be salty over something that happened over 20 years ago. But I think it's a pretty safe bet that he was paid off for his contributions when they severed ties with him in 1999. If not, then you can be sure there would've been a lawsuit over this which would have been made public at some point before now. Even when they parted, in interviews of that time, Derek wasn't antagonistic - had he been screwed over, it would've come out then, not now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 27, 2022, 10:57:24 AM
I meant to post about this earlier, but it's been a busy morning at work today :P

Mike's comment comes from World Prog-Nation's post on SFAM's anniversary. Derek own page replied to him there as well. There was some discussion at the DT facebook group and even Noxon was there responding to some peoople, including myself.

The thing here is that none of Derek's actual keyboard lines made it to the finished album. If we compare the demo to the actual SFAM, Jordan did his own thing even though some of the riffs were already composed beforehand. The same thing happened with Kevin and Derek for ACOS, and I don't see anyone complaining about Kev not getting credit for that...

Now, I know songwriting credits are a lot more than just writing the keyboard parts for a few sections here and there, and if Derek actually came up with some of the riffs, chord progressions, etc, then he should've been credited... except that he wasn't and Mike was a big player in the desicion making back then, so if anything, it's by his own doing; why try to play the good guy card here then?
This reminds me of the time they were promoting SOA's first album (2017-ish) where Mike tried to "rewrite history" by saying it was the other DT members really who wanted Derek replaced with Jordan and not really himself... but he's on record saying otherwise (just watch the Score documentary). There's no point in bringing this up 20+years later anyway...

So Derek's contributions to SFAM were either scrapped (the clear Derek-isms in the demo weren't included in the album anyway), rewritten or not big enough to be considered a songwriting credit anyway. If Metallica could release two albums with songwriting credits by Dave Mustaine, even when he was already out of the band and though they hated each other anyway, why couldn't DT credit the guy if he had contributed in some significant way? Unless there was a buyout back then, as Scotty says, but then Derek wouldn't be allowed to complain anyway, since he would've signed those rights away for some $$$.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on October 27, 2022, 11:10:29 AM
Rock and roll drama. Very strange timing for such a comment. Perhaps Derek is going through something and this bubbled up.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2022, 11:26:41 AM
Rock and roll drama. Very strange timing for such a comment. Perhaps Derek is going through something and this bubbled up.

Like the end of SOA?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on October 27, 2022, 11:28:55 AM
Who knows. Maybe. Or something in his personal life. It just seems out of character based on their renewed friendship.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on October 27, 2022, 11:29:36 AM
Who knows. Maybe. Or something in his personal life. It just seems out of character based on their renewed friendship.

A passive aggressive comment that half the fan base writes off as a joke is out of character?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 27, 2022, 11:30:51 AM
Maybe he's just a jerk.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on October 27, 2022, 11:32:11 AM
Based on their recent relationship I would say yes. Before the SOA formation it would seem par for the course.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on October 27, 2022, 11:33:25 AM
Based on their recent relationship I would say yes. Before the SOA formation it would seem par for the course.

Well, maybe because MP is out of DT, he sees it as two ex employees bashing their former company? I dunno.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 27, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
I always wondered how that worked.  I don't remember Kevin Moore getting a co-writing credit for A Change of Seasons even though it was written when he was in the band in the early 90s. I always assumed part of the leaving the band settlement covers anything like that, but I guess not.  Sherinian definitely has shown himself to be a big jerk in recent years, so lashing out this like publicly sounds about right.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 27, 2022, 12:10:54 PM
TBF, it seems MP pointed it out first and DS doubled down on it.  Makes me wonder if MP was aware that DS was going to double down or not.  I can see it being the case that since MP is back to being on good terms with DT that maybe he started this to get DT to help out DS in some way.  But seriously, I kind of fall in line with Scotty that this likely was dealt with when the break up happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 27, 2022, 12:13:24 PM
I always wondered how that worked.  I don't remember Kevin Moore getting a co-writing credit for A Change of Seasons even though it was written when he was in the band in the early 90s. I always assumed part of the leaving the band settlement covers anything like that, but I guess not.  Sherinian definitely has shown himself to be a big jerk in recent years, so lashing out this like publicly sounds about right.

I don't think there's any rule, and I don't think any settlement NEEDS to cover all issues (though I'd be surprised if any settlement doesn't have a release of claims clause). To my knowledge, Jake E. Lee is STILL chasing credits for the Bark At The Moon album (except for the title track).  I think it's pretty well known at this point that "Lennon/McCartney" is a pretty broad brush look at who wrote what. Some revisions to writing go the other way; isn't Michael Anthony now off a lot of the Van Halen songs he used to be credited on?  Gene Simmons famously gave his accountant a co-writing credit on the song "Charisma".   Kris Kristofferson gave Fred Foster half of his biggest song, "Me And Bobby McGee" for simple saying the title in the office one day. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 28, 2022, 06:30:43 AM
I always wondered how that worked.  I don't remember Kevin Moore getting a co-writing credit for A Change of Seasons even though it was written when he was in the band in the early 90s. I always assumed part of the leaving the band settlement covers anything like that, but I guess not.  Sherinian definitely has shown himself to be a big jerk in recent years, so lashing out this like publicly sounds about right.

I don't think there's any rule, and I don't think any settlement NEEDS to cover all issues (though I'd be surprised if any settlement doesn't have a release of claims clause). To my knowledge, Jake E. Lee is STILL chasing credits for the Bark At The Moon album (except for the title track).  I think it's pretty well known at this point that "Lennon/McCartney" is a pretty broad brush look at who wrote what. Some revisions to writing go the other way; isn't Michael Anthony now off a lot of the Van Halen songs he used to be credited on?  Gene Simmons famously gave his accountant a co-writing credit on the song "Charisma".   Kris Kristofferson gave Fred Foster half of his biggest song, "Me And Bobby McGee" for simple saying the title in the office one day.

Yeah, songwriting credit can be a tricky thing.

Take Fleetwood Mac. Their rule apparently has always been that whoever came up with the original idea for the song got the full songwriting credit, no matter how much help anyone else gave, which explains why Mick Fleetwood receives almost no royalty checks and is always needing to tour again (because he spends his money faster than he gets it).

And then it feels like Dream Theater's rule for most of their career was everyone got credit since they'd all get together and jam it out and work out the songs as a group, although I know James was ousted from the credit inner circle for a while there in the 00s, IIRC.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 28, 2022, 12:36:00 PM
Knowing Derek's sense of humor and his relationship with MP, I look at that as Derek busting his balls in a sarcastic way and then expecting what happened to happen. A kind of bro response to his buddy and a troll effect on certain other people.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 28, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
I read Derek's response as "Cool that you finally acknowledge my contributions. But where was this acknowledgement when we were talking royalties some 20 years ago?" But what do I know?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on October 28, 2022, 01:36:24 PM
I expect DT to be above this level of nonsense . . . everyone knows Derek was in on those sessions; why in hell didn't they credit him? Lame.

Worth pointing out that the music on SFAM was credited to "Dream Theater."  Only the lyrics were credited to the individual band members.  Can't "Dream Theater" be interpreted to mean both the then-current members and Derek?  Should they have given the credit to "Dream Theater (including former member Derek Sherinian)"?


Why Derek decided to post is beyond me - he seems to still be salty over something that happened over 20 years ago. But I think it's a pretty safe bet that he was paid off for his contributions when they severed ties with him in 1999. If not, then you can be sure there would've been a lawsuit over this which would have been made public at some point before now. Even when they parted, in interviews of that time, Derek wasn't antagonistic - had he been screwed over, it would've come out then, not now.

Yup.

I'm obviously not privy to the specifics of DT's band agreements, but there are two possibilities.  First, upon joining the band, Derek may have signed off on a band agreement that governed the members' relationship with each other.  Upon leaving the band, there would have been negotiations about buying him out of his interest in the band and the various corporate entities through which the band conducts business.  The occurrence of these sorts of negotiations became public after MP left the band.  While MP was obviously a more longstanding and longer tenured member, the concept is the same.  A properly drafted band agreement dictates what happens if/when a member leaves the band.  Songwriting royalties may be within or outside the scope of a band agreement.  The second option is that, despite DS publicly being a "full member" of the band, he was, from a legal perspective, an employee who would have been entitled to nothing upon leaving the band (absent an employment agreement that entitled him to something.  If he thought he was entitled to credit and royalties, that's something that should have been dealt with through lawyers two decades ago.


I always wondered how that worked.  I don't remember Kevin Moore getting a co-writing credit for A Change of Seasons even though it was written when he was in the band in the early 90s. I always assumed part of the leaving the band settlement covers anything like that, but I guess not.  Sherinian definitely has shown himself to be a big jerk in recent years, so lashing out this like publicly sounds about right.

As with SFAM, the music for ACOS is credited to "Dream Theater," with the lyrics being credited to MP.  The same pattern of crediting the music to "Dream Theater" and the lyrics to the individual band members continued until SDOIT, with that album and TOT crediting the music to everyone other than JLB (except for Vacant) and the lyrics to the particular members.  They returned to crediting the music to "Dream Theater" on Octavarium and then went back to the individual member credits starting with BC&SL (except for TA, of course).


Yeah, songwriting credit can be a tricky thing.

It's not so much a tricky thing as it is something for which there are no legal or industry standard rules, so it's whatever each group decides among itself (and may or may not be memorialized in a written contract).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on November 01, 2022, 07:14:46 AM
Anyone have a link to the original post? I have my popcorn ready but the link seems dead.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: El Barto on November 01, 2022, 08:17:28 AM
Anyone have a link to the original post? I have my popcorn ready but the link seems dead.
Yeah, it's nothing but a white picture for me.

I started a thread a while back asking about writing credits, and honestly it just seems silly to me. I get that each band determines it on their own, but it seems to always turn problematic for somebody.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on November 01, 2022, 10:17:21 AM
Anyone have a link to the original post? I have my popcorn ready but the link seems dead.
Yeah, it's nothing but a white picture for me.

I started a thread a while back asking about writing credits, and honestly it just seems silly to me. I get that each band determines it on their own, but it seems to always turn problematic for somebody.

When money is involved and contributing to a song isn't always so black or white, it's no surprise to see these things becoming problematic.  I've got to give props to bands who just credit the whole band.  That's kind of a big sacrifice from the main writer to help out the rest of the band.  I've read before about how Mastadon does this so it helps keep the band from having issues. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lethean on November 01, 2022, 11:26:32 AM
Anyone have a link to the original post? I have my popcorn ready but the link seems dead.

Does this work? https://m.facebook.com/2112prognation/photos/a.1416292662012608/2935392356769290/ (https://m.facebook.com/2112prognation/photos/a.1416292662012608/2935392356769290/)

Then you have to scroll through to find Mike's comment and Derek's reply.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on November 12, 2022, 05:35:45 PM
Knowing Derek's sense of humor and his relationship with MP, I look at that as Derek busting his balls in a sarcastic way and then expecting what happened to happen. A kind of bro response to his buddy and a troll effect on certain other people.

Without having read any off it, this would be the conclusion I'd come with. Derek Being Derek.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: noxon on November 20, 2022, 09:51:44 AM
1: What's in the credits in the booklet is of absolutely no consequence, as that's not what decides who retains any rights to the music whatsoever. The band licenses their music in two ways; the mechanical rights (the written music) are signed off to publishing company, while the performance rights (the recorded music) are typically kept with the label.

2: Kevin Moore did get writing credits 100% for A Change of Seasons. https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/330664385

3: Derek did NOT get writing credits for the songs that came from the Metropolis pt2 demo. Jordan did: https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/491112168
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/340790989
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/904615184
https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace/search/workID/450309247

And don't tell me the keyboard parts for overture 1928 wasn't more or less lifted directly from the demo.

Why didn't Derek do anything about it before? Well, complex issue. He might not have wished to spend the amount of money a lawsuit actually requires... And burning bridges in the small prog metal community might not be the smartest thing to do either...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on November 23, 2022, 03:27:15 PM
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MP NEW RELEASE ALERT!!
During the 2020/2021 Lockdowns, I recorded some songs for my friends in the band fuzzbubble who were reunited after 20 years and rebranding themselves as Cult Stars From Mars. Well, they’ve decided to go back to their original name of Fuzzbubble and compile all of their latest recordings into an album called…you guessed it, Cult Stars From Mars!

No matter which way you slice it, they are one of my favorite power-pop bands and I am honored to play drums on 4 tracks on their new album! (‘Dragonfly Pt 2’, a cover of ‘Blinded By The Light’ and two previously unreleased songs ‘ I Like That Song!’ & ‘The Window’)

If you are a power-pop fan like I am and dig stuff like Jellyfish, Lickerish Quartet, Redd Kross, Cheap Trick, Imperial Drag, etc etc this is mandatory listening! #YeahYeahYeah

Get your CD now here:
https://swagg66.bigcartel.com/
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/316546191_687828509378490_7309006779232970723_n.jpg?stp=cp0_dst-jpg_e15_fr_q65&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=sS2rqRnBpTkAX98NXrV&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAJiimlasi63sfsapbmRTtQUkUUYWyh1fE7K4Z15SLYdQ&oe=6383C9A6)

https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/pfbid02WXgkcbpsDRM959iASWSXasAss5YXzZeNUhWjJ8BEc2tcTWjFgyVnJm3ykAdrGX8Zl/?mibextid=Nif5oz

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on November 23, 2022, 04:39:12 PM
I just downloaded it from Bandcamp  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on November 23, 2022, 06:15:05 PM
reminds me of Cats in Space.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on November 23, 2022, 09:00:33 PM
The Blinded by the Light cover is fun (even with JSS).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on December 30, 2022, 07:21:38 AM
Wondering if I missed MP's 2022 best-of list this year. I always like to see what he's been listening to.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: frogprog on December 30, 2022, 10:16:33 AM
Great song, great cover!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on December 30, 2022, 12:28:52 PM
Wondering if I missed MP's 2022 best-of list this year. I always like to see what he's been listening to.

Here ya go!

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MP’s 2022 Year End Wrap-Up

Well after the one-two punch of 2020 & 2021, it was nice to finally be back to “normal” in 2022!!

And there was no shortage of great music, film & TV all year…so here’s my annual year end wrap-up:

MP’s Fav Albums Of 2022:
(In no particular order):
* Porcupine Tree - Closure / Continuation
* Slipknot - The End, So Far
* The Lickerish Quartet - Threesome Vol. 3
* Sloan - Steady
* Jack White - Fear Of The Dawn
* Charlie Griffiths - Tiktaalika
* Fuzzbubble - Cult Stars From Mars
* Dave Grohl / Foo Fighters - Dream Widow
* Tallah - The Generation Of Danger
* Queensryche- Digital Noise Alliance

Top 20 Honorable Mentions:
* Slash (feat. Myles Kennedy & The Conspirators) - 4
* Imperial Triumphant - Spirit Of Ecstasy
* Kirk Hammett - Portals
* Lamb Of God - Omens
* Vein.fm - This World Is Going To Ruin You
* Motor Sister - Get Off
* Klassik ‘78 - Phantoms
* Talas - 1985
* OU - one
* Mommyheads - Genius Killer

MP’s Fav Films Of 2022:
(In no particular order):
* Babylon
* Bardo: False Chronicle of a Handful of Truths
* X / Pearl
* Everything Everywhere All At Once
* The Northman
* Apollo 10 1/2: A Space Age Childhood
* Nope
* Elvis
* Blonde
* Men

And here’s a few films that were released at the end of the year that I’m looking forward to seeing but haven’t yet at the time of making this list…(but I have faith a few of them will end up here as well):

* The Fablemans
* The Whale
* Decision To Leave
* The Banshees of Inisherin

Click on the "Diary" on my Letterboxd page to see a list of every film I watched/saw in 2022:
http://boxd.it/asPR

MP’s Fav TV Of 2022:
(In no particular order):
* Euphoria S2
* Better Call Saul S6 (RIP)
* Ozark S4 (RIP)
* Atlanta S3&4 (RIP)
* Severance
* Documentary Now! S4
* Pistol
* The Staircase
* Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story
* The White Lotus S2
* Super Pumped
* Better Things S5 (RIP)
* Pam & Tommy
* Barry S3

Unlike the past couple of years where I wasn’t able to tour, getting back on the road meant less studio output this year…in fact, it was the first time in over 25 years (since 1996) that I didn’t have a full-length studio album!! 😳

MP 2022 Releases:
* NMB - Morsefest 2021
* Fuzzbubble - Cult Stars From Mars

And finally, a tribute to some of the people we sadly lost this year…

MP’s 2022 RIP Section:
Taylor Hawkins
Alan White
Meat Loaf
Trevor Strnad
Gary Brooker
Jerry Lee Lewis
Christine McVie
Mark Lanegan
Vangelis
Burke Shelley
Ronnie Spector
Alec John Such
Brett Tuggle
Steve Grimmett
Coolio
Dino Dinelli
Terry Hall
Peter Bogdanovich
Sidney Poitier
Philip Baker Hall
Ray Liotta
James Caan
Tony Sirico
Paul Sorvino
Bob Saget
Howard Hesseman
Jon Zazula
William Hurt
Gilbert Gottfried
Julee Cruise
David Warner
Olivia Newton-John
Anne Heche
Queen Elizabeth II
Al Strobel
Angelo Badalamenti
Kirstie Alley
Eric Barbasso (friend)
Stephen Schimmel (friend)
Joe Dondero (family)
George Marshall (friend)
Mittens 😿
Mini 😿

---------------------------------------------------

And for all you "list enthusiasts", 
Click below to see my previous Year End Wrap-Ups:   

MP’s Best Of 2021:
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/467440288083981/?d=n

MP’s Best Of 2020:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/5269005006450432/?d=n

MP's Best Of 10's (Decade End Wrap-Up):
https://www.facebook.com/579020077/posts/10162979133495078/?d=n

MP’s Best of 2019:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/3653524981331784?sfns=mo

MP's Best of 2018:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/2680383655312593?sfns=mo

MP's Best of 2017:
https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/2030845370266428

MP's Best of 2001 - 2016:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/best-of/

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on December 31, 2022, 08:36:11 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/pfbid02JbXwb5wR2UasNiooyh71ezhfv8nwjcKTj2txrwJxGJV3k56Sf573XkQxjt6sNqrgl/?mibextid=Nif5oz

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Look who came to Camp Portnoy to celebrate New Year’s!! 🎊🎉 We were supposed to be just hanging out, but I guess you can’t keep these guys off their instruments!! We should have an album written and recorded by Midnight! 😂😜 Happy New Years everyone!!

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/323444812_953561995612542_6977061703699929676_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=rJyysTSvc9wAX_xz7bL&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDenz02RPbZkMd9jpwhDGLRRi5J4ccvP3t9GW1SOj52KA&oe=63B673AA)

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on December 31, 2022, 08:37:01 PM
Who is the guitar player?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on December 31, 2022, 08:39:19 PM
Who is the guitar player?

Eric Gillette aka Petrucci Jr. from the Neal Morse Band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on December 31, 2022, 08:42:19 PM
Who is the guitar player?

Eric Gillette aka Petrucci Jr. from the Neal Morse Band.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 31, 2022, 08:53:58 PM
Tim, he is an amazing guitarist. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on December 31, 2022, 09:00:47 PM
I just find it strange that a guy named Gillette has a beard.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on December 31, 2022, 09:01:18 PM
New Year’s Liquid Experiment
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on December 31, 2022, 09:03:24 PM
New Year’s Liquid Experiment

Actually, Mike uploaded a story from the jam and it sounded very LTE-ish to me :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on December 31, 2022, 09:16:39 PM
The story he uploaded sounds super cool. What a great night for Eric. It was cool seeing Jordan watching him for cues.

This reminded me that LTE still has a fourth album due per their contract. Maybe it will happen this year.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2023, 06:33:21 AM
Tim, he is an amazing guitarist.

He is very good, yes, and I am glad he is in NMB, but, and this is a small but :P, I wish he would develop more of his own style.  He sounds very much like a Petrucci clone without much of his own stamp on his playing.  Let's say for the sake of argument that this trio make an album.  I suspect most who are not familiar with Eric prior to it will come away thinking, "Why didn't they just get Petrucci since he sounds just like him anyway (except not as good)?" 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on January 01, 2023, 07:43:41 AM
I agree with you Kev, he sounds very much like Petrucci. I do really like Eric's youtube channel where he does his multi instrumentalist covers. Check them out if you've never seen them before.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2023, 08:36:24 AM
I agree with you Kev, he sounds very much like Petrucci. I do really like Eric's youtube channel where he does his multi instrumentalist covers. Check them out if you've never seen them before.

I've seen a few.  Mostly enjoyable, although I think he should have steered clear of Bohemian Rhapsody. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on January 01, 2023, 08:49:31 AM
Just a comment, although I do think Eric's soloing style is very close to JP's, if you listen to his 2 solo albums (Afterthought and The Great Unknown) as a composer, his style seems a lot closer to Planet X and Spock's Beard.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 01, 2023, 09:00:04 AM
Just a comment, although I do think Eric's soloing style is very close to JP's, if you listen to his 2 solo albums (Afterthought and The Great Unknown) as a composer, his style seems a lot closer to Planet X and Spock's Beard.

I have The Great Unknown, and there are a couple songs I like quite a bit, but the rest wasn't notable enough for me to keep in the rotation, so I am a bit fuzzy on those other songs.  Feels like Eric is definitely at his best when collaborating with others, which is not a bad thing at all, as collaboration is a hallmark of music.  :hat :hat
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on January 01, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
I know MP was joking about the album, but I want it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on January 01, 2023, 01:14:50 PM
Just a comment, although I do think Eric's soloing style is very close to JP's, if you listen to his 2 solo albums (Afterthought and The Great Unknown) as a composer, his style seems a lot closer to Planet X and Spock's Beard.

I have The Great Unknown, and there are a couple songs I like quite a bit, but the rest wasn't notable enough for me to keep in the rotation, so I am a bit fuzzy on those other songs.  Feels like Eric is definitely at his best when collaborating with others, which is not a bad thing at all, as collaboration is a hallmark of music.  :hat :hat
That's also how I feel about The Great Unknown and it's better than Afterthought.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 01, 2023, 01:59:41 PM
I'd go for hearing Eric Gillette play some music in a different style like Funk or Bluegrass.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: frogprog on January 01, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
He's very talented. I'm sure he could play in a lot of different styles. Very talented singer as well (not to mention playing drums better than I ever will :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 01, 2023, 06:15:39 PM
He's very talented. I'm sure he could play in a lot of different styles. Very talented singer as well (not to mention playing drums better than I ever will :)

And let's not forget that when he joined NMB he was the special 6th man playing guitar, keys and backing vocals (like Daniel or Ted with Transatlantic).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on January 01, 2023, 07:09:35 PM
He's very talented. I'm sure he could play in a lot of different styles. Very talented singer as well (not to mention playing drums better than I ever will :)

And let's not forget that when he joined NMB he was the special 6th man playing guitar, keys and backing vocals (like Daniel or Ted with Transatlantic).

Was the band known as the NMB when he, Bill, and Adson joined? I thought the name Neal Morse Band wasn't used until *after* the Momentum Tour/the release of The Grand Experiment? Either way, Eric was definitely a good choice to add to the band. A shame Adson couldn't stick around though.

Also, Jordan shared more video of his jam session with Mike and Eric: https://fb.watch/hNZn5i0tF7/

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on January 02, 2023, 11:55:18 AM
New Year’s Liquid Experiment

Actually, Mike uploaded a story from the jam and it sounded very LTE-ish to me :tup
Where can I find Mike's story?

I'm a big Eric Gillette fan, love his playing and his singing.  Even though yes, his solo style is close to JP - he's still produced some of my favorite solos of the last few years (The Glory of the Lord from Sola Gratia and all his solos on Beyond the Years), great stuff!

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: frogprog on January 02, 2023, 02:27:02 PM
Watched Jordan's video and enjoyed it. Thats exactly  what my band mates and I do. Get together and jam for the fun if it. Its very therapeutic! Looked like Eric was playing Marlene's rig from recent JP tour and ...oh look, a korg Kronos for Mr. Rudess!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on January 03, 2023, 09:56:03 AM
Surprised to see QR on Mike's list. My AOY.

I thought he would have Megadeth on his list too but it must not have connected with him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ZirconBlue on January 03, 2023, 12:34:06 PM
I just find it strange that a guy named Gillette has a beard.


He's Frank Beard's nemesis.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nick_z on January 03, 2023, 06:00:21 PM
I just find it strange that a guy named Gillette has a beard.

I feel like this didn't get the spotlight it deserved  :biggrin:

Surprised to see QR on Mike's list. My AOY.

I thought he would have Megadeth on his list too but it must not have connected with him.

Yeah, I thought I remember him saying he enjoyed Dystopia when it came out ...in my book, The Sick, ... is even better. Although I might be completely wrong about what I remember, so it is what it is  ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 12, 2023, 01:11:40 PM
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Looks like some of the Metal news sites have picked up the info, so I guess the cats outta the bag…not only will myself and Steve Vai induct Twisted Sister into the Metal Hall Of Fame on Jan 26th at the Canyon Club in CA, but we will also be performing a few songs live for the 1st time since 2016 at the ceremony as well! Can’t wait to get up there and throw down with my Sistas once again!🤘 #SMFForever
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 13, 2023, 05:28:25 PM
MP just stated in a recent interview that he was scheduled to play a "one-off" performance with a HUGE band, but the festival was cancelled??? Any guesses as to what the festival was and who the band was? It wasn't Foo's. Just wondering if anyone could figure this out. :huh: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 13, 2023, 05:49:05 PM
No idea who that band might have been, but you’d think at his age Mike would learn to roll with the Blabbermouth nonsense and not get so worked up when they run click bait headlines about things he says. These last two interviews he’s made comments about it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 13, 2023, 05:52:16 PM
No idea who that band might have been, but you’d think at his age Mike would learn to roll with the Blabbermouth nonsense and not get so worked up when they run click bait headlines about things he says. These last two interviews he’s made comments about it.

agreed
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: deggs37 on January 13, 2023, 11:12:31 PM
No idea who that band might have been, but you’d think at his age Mike would learn to roll with the Blabbermouth nonsense and not get so worked up when they run click bait headlines about things he says. These last two interviews he’s made comments about it.

Meh. I think it's more like Mike is a near 40 year professional and understands the rule that 'no publicity is bad publicity' and fans the flames to keep his brand relevant. Even if he is getting worked up over it.

Thankfully, he is proficient enough to never have to go full Ted Nugent.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on January 14, 2023, 03:04:55 AM
Hmm. I'm not sure I totally agree with that. He literally refused to answer a couple of questions in a video just published because the answers could have been blown up. Disclosure: I haven't watched the interview in question yet.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 14, 2023, 06:27:01 AM
No idea who that band might have been, but you’d think at his age Mike would learn to roll with the Blabbermouth nonsense and not get so worked up when they run click bait headlines about things he says. These last two interviews he’s made comments about it.

Meh. I think it's more like Mike is a near 40 year professional and understands the rule that 'no publicity is bad publicity' and fans the flames to keep his brand relevant. Even if he is getting worked up over it.

Thankfully, he is proficient enough to never have to go full Ted Nugent.

Agreed.  He is obviously someone who gets offended easily and has a hard time letting anything go, so reacting to any and everything is part of his brand, because it's a part of who he is, but I am sure he gets that his name in the headlines, even on Blabbermouth, is good for his overall brand.  It's the old adage of "I would rather someone yell at me than ignore me." 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 14, 2023, 06:46:48 AM
No idea who that band might have been, but you’d think at his age Mike would learn to roll with the Blabbermouth nonsense and not get so worked up when they run click bait headlines about things he says. These last two interviews he’s made comments about it.

Meh. I think it's more like Mike is a near 40 year professional and understands the rule that 'no publicity is bad publicity' and fans the flames to keep his brand relevant. Even if he is getting worked up over it.

Thankfully, he is proficient enough to never have to go full Ted Nugent.

Agreed.  He is obviously someone who gets offended easily and has a hard time letting anything go, so reacting to any and everything is part of his brand, because it's a part of who he is, but I am sure he gets that his name in the headlines, even on Blabbermouth, is good for his overall brand.  It's the old adage of "I would rather someone yell at me than ignore me."

The bigger issue is he claims it’s why he stopped giving interviews altogether, and then he says this most recent one was a bit awkward in places because he’s still gun shy about Blabbermouth. Seems to me it’s his fans who pay for it when he gets upset about it by him not doing interviews at all or him not being as forthcoming as he could be in interviews. I dunno, it all just feels so 20 years ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 14, 2023, 08:56:57 AM
MP just stated in a recent interview that he was scheduled to play a "one-off" performance with a HUGE band, but the festival was cancelled??? Any guesses as to what the festival was and who the band was? It wasn't Foo's. Just wondering if anyone could figure this out. :huh: :huh: :huh:

Nickelback.

I'm serious.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on January 14, 2023, 05:45:25 PM
Is nickelback's drummer not available?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on January 14, 2023, 06:31:00 PM
Hrmm I just saw his insta, maybe he was going to fill in on a foo fighters gig?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on January 15, 2023, 03:43:00 AM
For those who have Facebook, he started to post pictures of him with famous musicians or people he met along the road, based on the day of the year (for example on Dave Grohl's birthday he posted pictures with him) with some cool stories of how he came to meet this or that musician. The man met a lot of people in the music industry and he has some interesting anedctoes to say about it!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: PixelDream on January 15, 2023, 04:24:10 AM
I just really like how much of a fanboy MP is of music and film. And now the celeb musician photos and anecdotes are really cool as well.

I always check out MP wrapped at the end of the year because the man has a similar taste in movies and I always discover stuff by his recommendations. I also follow his profile on letterboxd where he logs and rates all the stuff he watches.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on January 15, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
Is nickelback's drummer not available?

He wasn't for this one festival appearance but it got canceled anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 15, 2023, 12:45:01 PM
I just really like how much of a fanboy MP is of music and film. And now the celeb musician photos and anecdotes are really cool as well.

I always check out MP wrapped at the end of the year because the man has a similar taste in movies and I always discover stuff by his recommendations. I also follow his profile on letterboxd where he logs and rates all the stuff he watches.

This was basically how I got into so much of the music I listened to about 20 years ago. Tons of it was just bands MP recommended or cited as influences or just talked about positively. Few if any people have had as big of an influence on me in terms of the music I listen to (even though there’s a ton of stuff Mike likes that I have little interest in, his tastes are broad enough that he still has influenced me a ton).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on January 15, 2023, 02:38:47 PM
Is nickelback's drummer not available?

He wasn't for this one festival appearance but it got canceled anyway.

I could see them asking Portnoy. Or their drummer(Daniel Adair??)asking him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 31, 2023, 11:28:16 AM
"Mike Portnoy Breaks Down His Favorite Teenage Albums"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zH7gmLJxws

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nick on January 31, 2023, 01:50:25 PM
Quick note re: Eric Gillette.

I love the man, from his guitar playing, to his singing, to his stage presence and the conversations I've had with him off stage. And he's an amazing musician on other instruments as well. That said, having his two solo albums, you really see where the magic with a guy like Neal Morse happens. His ability to take the raw pieces of Eric's work and infuse and arrange them in his masterful songwriting ways, really takes Eric to the next level. On a technical scale, no question Eric runs circles around Neal in several ways, but Neal just has that *it* factor when composing that is tough for many to equal.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 31, 2023, 03:56:32 PM
I'm just waiting for the Tejeida/Gillette/Sandnes album that "doesn't exist" ;), which IMO will showcase much more of Eric in his own element vs with NMB.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 31, 2023, 05:14:22 PM
I'm just waiting for the Tejeida/Gillette/Sandnes album that "doesn't exist" ;), which IMO will showcase much more of Eric in his own element vs with NMB.

 :metal :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: EPICVIEW on January 31, 2023, 05:36:22 PM
Mike Rocks
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on January 31, 2023, 06:41:19 PM
Quick note re: Eric Gillette.

I love the man, from his guitar playing, to his singing, to his stage presence and the conversations I've had with him off stage. And he's an amazing musician on other instruments as well. That said, having his two solo albums, you really see where the magic with a guy like Neal Morse happens. His ability to take the raw pieces of Eric's work and infuse and arrange them in his masterful songwriting ways, really takes Eric to the next level. On a technical scale, no question Eric runs circles around Neal in several ways, but Neal just has that *it* factor when composing that is tough for many to equal.

Agreed.  Being great at songwriting trumps everything in music.  You can have the greatest voice in the world, or have the most technical skill on an instrument, but if you can't write a song, then you have to rely on others for the hard part (writing good songs).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on February 01, 2023, 01:19:56 AM
"Mike Portnoy Breaks Down His Favorite Teenage Albums"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zH7gmLJxws
That was such a cool video. I love it when Mike nerds out and talks music.  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 01, 2023, 07:39:54 AM
Quick note re: Eric Gillette.

I love the man, from his guitar playing, to his singing, to his stage presence and the conversations I've had with him off stage. And he's an amazing musician on other instruments as well. That said, having his two solo albums, you really see where the magic with a guy like Neal Morse happens. His ability to take the raw pieces of Eric's work and infuse and arrange them in his masterful songwriting ways, really takes Eric to the next level. On a technical scale, no question Eric runs circles around Neal in several ways, but Neal just has that *it* factor when composing that is tough for many to equal.

Agreed.  Being great at songwriting trumps everything in music.  You can have the greatest voice in the world, or have the most technical skill on an instrument, but if you can't write a song, then you have to rely on others for the hard part (writing good songs).
True.  And it seems so simple to grasp, but many people don't.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on March 02, 2023, 10:08:18 AM
A video of MP behind a kit playing some of his favorite intros from bands that influenced him, as well as some of his creation, popped up on my feed yesterday.

He has many amazing qualities as a drummer but while watching the vid it occurred to me that his memory might be his most prized asset. He astounds me in this regard. He would name an intro and play it. One after another. Maybe my age is catching up to me but I couldn't do that without a refresher for each intro. The dude could put an elephant to shame.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 02, 2023, 10:13:20 AM
A video of MP behind a kit playing some of his favorite intros from bands that influenced him, as well as some of his creation, popped up on my feed yesterday.

He has many amazing qualities as a drummer but while watching the vid it occurred to me that his memory might be his most prized asset. He astounds me in this regard. He would name an intro and play it. One after another. Maybe my age is catching up to me but I couldn't do that without a refresher for each intro. The dude could put an elephant to shame.

This.  Now expand that to entire ALBUMS not just intros.  I really DON'T know how he does it.  It's not like Kiss, who has been playing the same setlist more or less since 1984.  Some of the records he's played on he's only done live a dozen times at best. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 02, 2023, 10:45:17 AM
A video of MP behind a kit playing some of his favorite intros from bands that influenced him, as well as some of his creation, popped up on my feed yesterday.

He has many amazing qualities as a drummer but while watching the vid it occurred to me that his memory might be his most prized asset. He astounds me in this regard. He would name an intro and play it. One after another. Maybe my age is catching up to me but I couldn't do that without a refresher for each intro. The dude could put an elephant to shame.

This.  Now expand that to entire ALBUMS not just intros.  I really DON'T know how he does it.  It's not like Kiss, who has been playing the same setlist more or less since 1984.  Some of the records he's played on he's only done live a dozen times at best.

I've always been amazed at not just him, but Dream Theater in general, being able to play all those songs back when they'd change up sets and just be able to play them.  So many intracacies just stored in the brain.  I will say, to be fair, I'm sure we all remember lots of things at our day jobs and it may be similar.  They play music for a living, being able to remember all the parts probably comes with the territory of such a job.  I still think it's amazing though because it does show a passion for the music beyond just memorizing your parts.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2023, 10:50:29 AM
A video of MP behind a kit playing some of his favorite intros from bands that influenced him, as well as some of his creation, popped up on my feed yesterday.

He has many amazing qualities as a drummer but while watching the vid it occurred to me that his memory might be his most prized asset. He astounds me in this regard. He would name an intro and play it. One after another. Maybe my age is catching up to me but I couldn't do that without a refresher for each intro. The dude could put an elephant to shame.

This.  Now expand that to entire ALBUMS not just intros.  I really DON'T know how he does it.  It's not like Kiss, who has been playing the same setlist more or less since 1984.  Some of the records he's played on he's only done live a dozen times at best.

I've always been amazed at not just him, but Dream Theater in general, being able to play all those songs back when they'd change up sets and just be able to play them.  So many intracacies just stored in the brain.  I will say, to be fair, I'm sure we all remember lots of things at our day jobs and it may be similar.  They play music for a living, being able to remember all the parts probably comes with the territory of such a job.  I still think it's amazing though because it does show a passion for the music beyond just memorizing your parts.

Totally.  JP is like that as well (or at least was--I think the passage of more time and the volume of material he has written is catching up a bit.  I remember the story of when they got together with the Queensryche guys when they were planning the tour, and were talking about setlists, and Wilton saying with respect to some of the older QR songs they hadn't played in awhile that he would have to go back and relearn those songs if they played them because he couldn't remember how they went, and JP grabbing a guitar and going, "Oh, let me show you real quick.  It goes like this..."
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 02, 2023, 10:57:19 AM
 :lol that's great

I follow Mark Morton (guitarist of Lamb of God, he's very active on twitter and will respond) and he's said he'll go watch youtubers playing Lamb of God videos to relearn how to play the old rarer songs when they come on the setlist.  In some ways, I get that and it's honest and respectable way to learn your parts, but also, it does make me think of how I bet JP wouldn't need to do that.  I feel like a musician on his level (or MP, JR, and many others) they could probably listen to the song again and start remembering how to play it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 02, 2023, 11:46:44 AM
Rudess remarked once something along the lines of JP having the best musical memory he has encountered.  If they were going to plan to put something in the setlist that the band hadn't played in 15 years, he would just remember it, or mostly remember it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 02, 2023, 11:51:07 AM
Rudess remarked once something along the lines of JP having the best musical memory he has encountered.  If they were going to plan to put something in the setlist that the band hadn't played in 15 years, he would just remember it, or mostly remember it.

I'll buy that for a dollar, after seeing his solo show on consecutive nights.  What sounds like "jamming" most assuredly is NOT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 02, 2023, 11:51:30 AM
Rudess remarked once something along the lines of JP having the best musical memory he has encountered.  If they were going to plan to put something in the setlist that the band hadn't played in 15 years, he would just remember it, or mostly remember it.

Oh man I wish I had that. I literally video record myself playing almost every riff I write because I won't remember it 10 minutes late and listening to it on audio only doesn't mean I'll remember or be able to figure out how to play it. I currently have 41 videos on my phone for the new song I'm writing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on March 02, 2023, 01:12:00 PM
I'm the same way, if I write a great melody or tune I need to record it asap, it'll be gone by the time I come back to the guitar if I don't record it somewhere
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on March 02, 2023, 01:22:33 PM
I'm the same way, if I write a great melody or tune I need to record it asap, it'll be gone by the time I come back to the guitar if I don't record it somewhere

Yea, I also just have an awful ear. At least for stringed instruments. I've written whole songs and now I have no idea how to play 90% of them. Maybe if I sat down for hours I could get somewhere, but it's unlikely. I usually need to see my hands on the frets to know what I'm doing. Really lame. Good thing I'm mostly a drummer  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Realm on March 02, 2023, 02:21:00 PM
A video of MP behind a kit playing some of his favorite intros from bands that influenced him, as well as some of his creation, popped up on my feed yesterday.

He has many amazing qualities as a drummer but while watching the vid it occurred to me that his memory might be his most prized asset. He astounds me in this regard. He would name an intro and play it. One after another. Maybe my age is catching up to me but I couldn't do that without a refresher for each intro. The dude could put an elephant to shame.

Yeah, this is an awesome video. I really enjoyed it.

In terms of the memory aspect, most of what Mike was playing (the 70s/80s stuff) he learnt when he was a teenager. If I think of myself, I learnt the rhythm guitar parts of the entire Metallica Masters of Puppets and Justice albums when I was 17/18 years old and played along to those albums 100s of times. Today, many, many years later I can still pick up a guitar and play all those parts like it was yesterday. However, I also played bass in a cover band for 10 years when I was in my late 30s into my 40s and now a few years later I can barely remember how to play any of those songs.

So I think what is amazing about Mike is that he can retain the newer as well as the old.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on June 28, 2023, 04:52:06 PM
Mike has posted a very cryptic post saying:

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Coming soon…✨#stars

...with four pictures of the nighttime sky with stars shining.
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/pfbid0bxzMJJhAEogYjnzJaWKxQvNQZgJR9UPmw6A7angBNRWzu6NmN941jgm36Ramnayal/?mibextid=Nif5oz

New album/project/show coming?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on June 28, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
MP is going to be on dancing with the stars, calling it now
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2023, 05:17:47 PM
Mike has posted a very cryptic post saying:

Quote
Coming soon…✨#stars

...with four pictures of the nighttime sky with stars shining.
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/pfbid0bxzMJJhAEogYjnzJaWKxQvNQZgJR9UPmw6A7angBNRWzu6NmN941jgm36Ramnayal/?mibextid=Nif5oz

New album/project/show coming?

-Marc.

It's the music video for TWD song Stars.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 28, 2023, 05:30:49 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on June 28, 2023, 07:24:29 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.

I would LOVE for a metal band to do a Star Trek or Star Wars or MCU themed concept album. Healthy doses of cheese would be no problem for me. Arjen does do sci-fi themed albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2023, 07:28:38 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.

I would LOVE for a metal band to do a Star Trek or Star Wars or MCU themed concept album. Healthy doses of cheese would be no problem for me. Arjen does do sci-fi themed albums.


Check out Galactic Empire
https://open.spotify.com/album/5BzHFeFeMhWKGGN5raEMlF?si=--r_-s_GQ0az4EWrvSGStg
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on June 28, 2023, 07:30:01 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.

I would LOVE for a metal band to do a Star Trek or Star Wars or MCU themed concept album. Healthy doses of cheese would be no problem for me. Arjen does do sci-fi themed albums.


Check out Galactic Empire
https://open.spotify.com/album/5BzHFeFeMhWKGGN5raEMlF?si=--r_-s_GQ0az4EWrvSGStg

They're touring in the fall with Hanabie from Japan opening.. I'd kill to hit that show
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2023, 07:38:48 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.

I would LOVE for a metal band to do a Star Trek or Star Wars or MCU themed concept album. Healthy doses of cheese would be no problem for me. Arjen does do sci-fi themed albums.


Check out Galactic Empire
https://open.spotify.com/album/5BzHFeFeMhWKGGN5raEMlF?si=--r_-s_GQ0az4EWrvSGStg

They're touring in the fall with Hanabie from Japan opening.. I'd kill to hit that show

They are playing in..literally..your neck of the woods in July.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on June 28, 2023, 07:42:01 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.

I would LOVE for a metal band to do a Star Trek or Star Wars or MCU themed concept album. Healthy doses of cheese would be no problem for me. Arjen does do sci-fi themed albums.

A bunch of Pagans Minds stuff is inspired by Stargate.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on June 28, 2023, 08:32:20 PM
Dammit. Thought he was gonna do a Star Trek concept album.

I would LOVE for a metal band to do a Star Trek or Star Wars or MCU themed concept album. Healthy doses of cheese would be no problem for me. Arjen does do sci-fi themed albums.


Check out Galactic Empire
https://open.spotify.com/album/5BzHFeFeMhWKGGN5raEMlF?si=--r_-s_GQ0az4EWrvSGStg

They're touring in the fall with Hanabie from Japan opening.. I'd kill to hit that show

They are playing in..literally..your neck of the woods in July.

But that's not with Hanabie, they're the ones I want to see  :lol

That show is on a Friday though, may be a fun one to hit...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
Mike was on Eddie Trunk's new youtube show That Rocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQZwXojY_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQZwXojY_Y)

Honestly got a few laughs from this, Flying Circus  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 25, 2023, 08:33:28 AM
I saw that yesterday on youtube but have yet to watch it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2023, 09:16:49 AM
That intro was like 18 minutes long.  Nice AC/DC knockoff!  :) ;)

Top Six Side Projects:
1. Asia
2. Flying Colors
3. Rainbow (started as a side project to Deep Purple)
4. Slash And The Conspirators
5. Transatlantic
6. Temple Of The Dog

Hon Mention: Coverdale - Page; Velvet Revolver; The Power Station; The Panic Channel (side project to Jane's Addiction)

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2023, 09:48:45 AM
That intro was like 18 minutes long.  Nice AC/DC knockoff!  :) ;)

I thought the same thing about the intro, and I believe this is the format of their show.  They do like 20 minutes of their own thing before bringing on the guest.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2023, 09:50:55 AM
That intro was like 18 minutes long.  Nice AC/DC knockoff!  :) ;)

I thought the same thing about the intro, and I believe this is the format of their show.  They do like 20 minutes of their own thing before bringing on the guest.

No, I meant just the playing of the song (I was exaggerating with the 18 minutes)!!!!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on August 25, 2023, 10:33:15 AM
Mike was on Eddie Trunk's new youtube show That Rocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQZwXojY_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQZwXojY_Y)

Honestly got a few laughs from this, Flying Circus  :lol

I watched it last night, was a really fun watch. I skipped through most of the beginning segment. The shenanigans get a bit to much at times.

Interesting notes from MP that he'll be a drummer at one of the games for Seattle Seahawks drumline .

Eddie asked him about dream Theater and loving the friendship they all have now.


Interesting discussion about how sidebands are everyone's thing now.   

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 25, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Jim said he was going to ask Mike about Twisted Sister and he didn't.  I meant to ask him in Tennessee and I chickened out.  Dee had mentioned that they may do a handful of fundraising/charity type gigs, and I'd really like to see one show with Mike in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 25, 2023, 10:59:25 AM
Jim said he was going to ask Mike about Twisted Sister and he didn't.  I meant to ask him in Tennessee and I chickened out.  Dee had mentioned that they may do a handful of fundraising/charity type gigs, and I'd really like to see one show with Mike in the band.

Id love to see Twisted Sister.  Never had the chance and it would be awesome if MP were playing with them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on August 26, 2023, 09:35:10 AM
The other interesting part was the Nicko vs Clive Burr discussion.


 MP is mostly right that Nicko never played double bass kick drums which is unusual for a metal band l, but he does in fact play it on one track. Face in the sand.
Quote
"So I decided - made a conscious decision not to go with two bass drums or one bass drum with two pedals. I have used a double-bass pedal on a song called 'Face in the Sand' off [2003's] 'Dance of Death.'"

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/iron_maidens_mcbrain_explains_the_real_reason_why_he_refuses_to_play_double-bass_drums.html (https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/iron_maidens_mcbrain_explains_the_real_reason_why_he_refuses_to_play_double-bass_drums.html)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 26, 2023, 11:51:13 AM
hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 26, 2023, 12:11:16 PM
hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?


Welcome to DTF!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 26, 2023, 12:40:17 PM
hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?


Welcome to DTF!!

hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?


Welcome to DTF!!

thanks, tac! glad to be here among fellow dream theater fans :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Jamesman42 on August 26, 2023, 06:24:27 PM
hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?

I think A Dramatic Turn of Events is one of their best albums. It was refreshing after SC and BCSL (I like some of those albums, don't get me wrong).

The self-titled is where I really saw MP's exit show itself. I think it's a decent album, definitely has some good songs, but, IMO, the band was slipping away from what made them so great.

The rest of the albums after are mediocre. Something is just missing, and I pretty firmly believe that MP is that thing. Mangini is awesome, don't get me wrong. MP is what made DT, DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on August 26, 2023, 06:26:34 PM
I thought every album post-portnoy was pretty meh until DOT. That is one of my favorite DT albums.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2023, 07:38:16 AM
I listen to a LOT of music.  I have something like 2,000 CDs, and I struggle on any given day to decide what my "top ten bands" are.  DT with Portnoy were always in the top three.  They were special.  There were four or five things that set them clearly apart from other bands, and there were too many examples - Genesis for one - where I thought "I wish Genesis would do what DT does".   When Mike left, it wasn't as if they all of a sudden "sucked" and it's not like Mangini can't play the material. But they slipped. They are still great, they are still a favorite, I still buy each record upon release, and I still go to the shows.  It's not the same, though. It's just not. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on August 28, 2023, 08:01:52 AM
Well, now that I've had almost fifteen or so years to think about this (jeez, has it really been that long???), I think my thoughts regarding MP and his place in DT have solidified.

Obviously, first and foremost, he was one of my main draws to DT. His 'fan's fan' reputation was well-earned, and for a long time, MP.com was my internet home away from home for precisely that reason.

That all said, I thoroughly enjoyed ADTOE (consider a top-tier album and a return to form), so I'm not going to say that he was the integral magic that is missing from their most recent output. Hell, who's to say, if he'd stayed, DT wouldn't have continued on in a direction that fans hated?

I enjoy DT's last 4 albums, but as many others have noted, they are far from what I'd consider essential. One thing that I know, if it's MP's kit that we hear on these past few albums, I'd probably listen to them way more often.

There's something about Mangini's drum sound that just grates on me. The guy is a monster, and I suspect that he has little to do with the overall production choices, but I literally can only take so much of his snare before I start to feel fatigued. And I'm not just talking about DT12 (although, that record is pretty much un-listenable for me)

Contrast that with MP's drum sound, which I feel elevates virtually everything he appears on. Hell, even stock records like Adrenaline Mob benefited from MP's kit.

Flying Colors, Neal Morse, Winery Dogs–his sound has stayed consistent and his playing has remained musical throughout. Add his signature drum sound to AVFTTOTW, and I'd probably be listening to that album way more often.

Again, I think the band's albums all sound fine–this post isn't about them, but more about me and subjective tastes. And when it comes to drums, MP's playing and kit are that which I measure all other drummers against.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on August 28, 2023, 08:07:04 AM
I thought every album post-portnoy was pretty meh until DOT. That is one of my favorite DT albums.

That's me too - I like some songs off of those albums, but DOT knocked my socks off and still does.  I actually just listened to it for the first time in years over the weekend and remembered while I love it so much. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 28, 2023, 08:12:45 AM
Well, now that I've had almost fifteen or so years to think about this (jeez, has it really been that long???), I think my thoughts regarding MP and his place in DT have solidified.

Obviously, first and foremost, he was one of my main draws to DT. His 'fan's fan' reputation was well-earned, and for a long time, MP.com was my internet home away from home for precisely that reason.

That all said, I thoroughly enjoyed ADTOE (consider a top-tier album and a return to form), so I'm not going to say that he was the integral magic that is missing from their most recent output. Hell, who's to say, if he'd stayed, DT wouldn't have continued on in a direction that fans hated?

I enjoy DT's last 4 albums, but as many others have noted, they are far from what I'd consider essential. One thing that I know, if it's MP's kit that we hear on these past few albums, I'd probably listen to them way more often.

There's something about Mangini's drum sound that just grates on me. The guy is a monster, and I suspect that he has little to do with the overall production choices, but I literally can only take so much of his snare before I start to feel fatigued. And I'm not just talking about DT12 (although, that record is pretty much un-listenable for me)

Contrast that with MP's drum sound, which I feel elevates virtually everything he appears on. Hell, even stock records like Adrenaline Mob benefited from MP's kit.

Flying Colors, Neal Morse, Winery Dogs–his sound has stayed consistent and his playing has remained musical throughout. Add his signature drum sound to AVFTTOTW, and I'd probably be listening to that album way more often.

Again, I think the band's albums all sound fine–this post isn't about them, but more about me and subjective tastes. And when it comes to drums, MP's playing and kit are that which I measure all other drummers against.

I feel that; for me it's not the snare, it's the bass drum.  I feel like every album since (and including) ADTOE is a constant "rat-a-tat-a-tat" of bass drum. It might be just me, but it's distracting.   Mike P. plays in a similar way, but - and maybe it's his sound choices - it never seemed to be intrusive.  I really, really like AVFTTOTW musically; those are some great songs, and I like the record.  But every song has a moment where I think "man, if I could EQ those drums down, this would be so much better".

And I note, the live sound - while VERY loud - didn't seem to be that way the two times I saw them on the recent album cycle.

I got to talk briefly to Mike P. in Cross Plains and I said to him "after all these years, it's still a treat to watch you play drums" and I meant it. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on August 28, 2023, 08:13:49 AM
I thought every album post-portnoy was pretty meh until DOT. That is one of my favorite DT albums.

I kinda feel the same. ADTOE was nice, at first, to hear the band play it so safe and familiar. It was kinda like "OK, MP is gone, but they still know how to make Dream Theater music" but then doubling down on that for DT12 was just disappointing, and when The Astonishing came out (something I considered to be a "failed experiment"), I was starting to feel like the band would never do much successfully but retread the ideas from their past. DOT was the first time I felt that this new lineup seemed to feel like a new group that was going to do its own thing, and AVFTTOTW was not as great for me, but still a solid record.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 28, 2023, 08:30:50 AM
hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?
I wouldn't characterize it the way that you do.

The band is certainly DIFFERENT without him.  But it was different when Charlie left as well.  And DT with Sherinian was different than DT with Moore.  And DT with Rudess was different than DT with Sherinian.  So DT with Mangini is different than DT with Portnoy.  It's only natural, there's nothing to wonder or complain about, necessarily. 

We all certainly have our likes and preferences.  My favorite sustained run of time for DT was SFAM through Octavarium, for multiple reasons, but my two favorite albums, I&W and Awake, are not from that run.

In other words, it's complicated.  It's not a matter of any one member leaving a gap when they leave, because they ALL do, and the band (or any other band dealing with the same things) is always different in various ways.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 28, 2023, 08:51:07 AM
Early DT with MP was a huge part of my musical life experience. He specifically introduced me to so much of the music I love, and I was so into the band from around 1998-2005. But there started to be diminishing returns with each album for me (really after FII when I first got into the band, but especially starting with Train of Thought). By the time Portnoy left DT I had stopped buying their albums (I’ve still never heard all of Black Clouds, and I only have listened to SC once after buying it second hand). The last great DT moment for me was the Score DVD. That encapsulated almost everything I loved about the band.

Anyway, by the time Mike left I was out on DT, so I’ve never really felt there was much need to compare them since. However, Mike leaving did free him up to work on other stuff that I have enjoyed more than later period DT. I’m not a fan of everything he’s done post-DT, but Flying Colors and The Winery Dogs are two projects I’ve really enjoyed and I’m not sure either would have happened if he had stayed with DT. So for me I’ve always more or less felt that Mike leaving was a good thing that freed him up for some new creative outlets. DT has seemed to carve out their own commercially successful path without him, so I’d venture to say it’s been good for them to. Plus we eventually got a new LTE album, and I’m generally happy to see he and the band are on good terms again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on August 28, 2023, 09:01:04 AM
Early DT with MP was a huge part of my musical life experience. He specifically introduced me to so much of the music I love, and I was so into the band from around 1998-2005. But there started to be diminishing returns with each album for me (really after FII when I first got into the band, but especially starting with Train of Thought). By the time Portnoy left DT I had stopped buying their albums (I’ve still never heard all of Black Clouds, and I only have listened to SC once after buying it second hand). The last great DT moment for me was the Score DVD. That encapsulated almost everything I loved about the band.

Anyway, by the time Mike left I was out on DT, so I’ve never really felt there was much need to compare them since. However, Mike leaving did free him up to work on other stuff that I have enjoyed more than later period DT. I’m not a fan of everything he’s done post-DT, but Flying Colors and The Winery Dogs are two projects I’ve really enjoyed and I’m not sure either would have happened if he had stayed with DT. So for me I’ve always more or less felt that Mike leaving was a good thing that freed him up for some new creative outlets. DT has seemed to carve out their own commercially successful path without him, so I’d venture to say it’s been good for them to. Plus we eventually got a new LTE album, and I’m generally happy to see he and the band are on good terms again.

Yeah, I mean, thinking back to how it all felt at the moment MP left, everything really worked out for everyone involved. A classic win/win if you ask me (except, of course, for us fans who miss MP lol ;D)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 28, 2023, 09:22:49 AM
hey dream theater fans,

wanted to talk about mike portnoy's time with the band. his drumming was pure magic, blending skill and emotion like no other. his departure left a gap that's been hard to fill, even with mike mangini. not dissing mangini, but the portnoy era was something else. let's discuss how portnoy's legacy still resonates in the music. thoughts on the transition?
I wouldn't characterize it the way that you do.

The band is certainly DIFFERENT without him.  But it was different when Charlie left as well.  And DT with Sherinian was different than DT with Moore.  And DT with Rudess was different than DT with Sherinian.  So DT with Mangini is different than DT with Portnoy.  It's only natural, there's nothing to wonder or complain about, necessarily. 

We all certainly have our likes and preferences.  My favorite sustained run of time for DT was SFAM through Octavarium, for multiple reasons, but my two favorite albums, I&W and Awake, are not from that run.

In other words, it's complicated.  It's not a matter of any one member leaving a gap when they leave, because they ALL do, and the band (or any other band dealing with the same things) is always different in various ways.

totally get your point, hefdaddy42. change is a constant in bands, and each era brings its own flavor. the evolution of dream theater with different members definitely shapes their sound. portnoy's time was just my personal favorite, but you're right, every member contributes to the band's uniqueness. and you're spot on about personal preferences – we all have those albums that resonate most. thanks for sharing your thoughts! :hefdaddy :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 28, 2023, 11:11:44 AM
Early DT with MP was a huge part of my musical life experience. He specifically introduced me to so much of the music I love, and I was so into the band from around 1998-2005. But there started to be diminishing returns with each album for me (really after FII when I first got into the band, but especially starting with Train of Thought). By the time Portnoy left DT I had stopped buying their albums (I’ve still never heard all of Black Clouds, and I only have listened to SC once after buying it second hand). The last great DT moment for me was the Score DVD. That encapsulated almost everything I loved about the band.

Anyway, by the time Mike left I was out on DT, so I’ve never really felt there was much need to compare them since. However, Mike leaving did free him up to work on other stuff that I have enjoyed more than later period DT. I’m not a fan of everything he’s done post-DT, but Flying Colors and The Winery Dogs are two projects I’ve really enjoyed and I’m not sure either would have happened if he had stayed with DT. So for me I’ve always more or less felt that Mike leaving was a good thing that freed him up for some new creative outlets. DT has seemed to carve out their own commercially successful path without him, so I’d venture to say it’s been good for them to. Plus we eventually got a new LTE album, and I’m generally happy to see he and the band are on good terms again.

Yeah, I mean, thinking back to how it all felt at the moment MP left, everything really worked out for everyone involved. A classic win/win if you ask me (except, of course, for us fans who miss MP lol ;D)
...and everything extra that he did that made the band "especially special" for me, Stads and others.  ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on August 28, 2023, 12:00:16 PM
man, i feel you all. mike portnoy's drumming was something else. his beats just hit different. i've been listening to his old stuff lately and damn, the nostalgia is real. his skills are timeless. hoping he's doing well nowadays.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on August 28, 2023, 12:13:13 PM
It's all about tastes and preferences, really. Some of the fan stuff MP did is definitely missed (more setlist variety, extra releases, detailed liner notes, rarities, etc.), but on a songwriting/playing level, I don't miss him at all (not trying to be disrespectful here at all, he's one of my all time faves).

It's true that every lineup/era is different and special on its own. Some people love Derek, for example, and consider him the very best keyboardist DT had, but while he's really good, his DT era wasn't really a high point for the band, and he didn't really bring much to the table.

Coming back to MP, he has great musical sensibility and knows very well how to surround himself with great writers and players on the multiple bands he is/was in, but some people act like he has a sort of Midas touch where everything he does becomes gold, and that's not true either.
I think it was a combination of the other members' input PLUS Mike's ideas that really made DT as great as it was for all of us, not Mike alone. People often talk about how his touch is missed on DT, but I haven't seen any of that "magic" applied to any of his other bands, specially the ones where there isn't anyone with "Morse" as last name. If DT "needs" him in some way, I'd say he "needs" DT as much or even more.

Now, if we talk about lacking and DT, I wouldn't talk about the drum department but rather something else involving a microphone... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: frogprog on August 28, 2023, 03:26:39 PM
Oof!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 28, 2023, 03:49:06 PM
I miss Mike Portnoy in the band. And for me to say that is shocking, because I felt much of the material leading up to his departure was subpar for my listening tastes. I am not dissing Mike Mangini in the slightest. He's a drummer's drummer. Total clinician. A machine. But DT's live sound has been cold and sterile to me since he joined. That could be a coincidence for sure. But I felt MP was a lot warmer, more spontaneous and engaging.

While I like the material on the Mangini albums (minus The Astonishing) way more than BC&SL, SC, and Octavarium, the DT-related highlight for me over the last several years was watching MP'S Shattered Fortress band run through Dream Theater material. That felt more like DT than DT to me. And even though I enjoyed the DoT tour a TON, and loved parts of the AVFTTOTW show, from strictly a drumming standpoint, I miss MP's vibe (minus the spitting - lol).

From a drumming perspective and all the little extras that MP did (as someone said - setlists, live releases, and the little things), MP is very missed by this fan. He's part of DT's creative DNA.

Mangini does a wonderful job playing all MP's parts, and playing all the songs he does that were written within his era of the band. MP is not some magic dust that gets sprinkled on and it makes it all better. But, his history with the band, his live feel, it's all an essential part of DT. And I'd take MP back in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 28, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2023, 04:42:49 PM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

It's an interesting thought, would DT have ended up in a similar position they are in today even if MP never left?  It's entirely possible just due to age like you said, but since MP is still active in all his other bands maybe not. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 28, 2023, 05:05:01 PM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

It's an interesting thought, would DT have ended up in a similar position they are in today even if MP never left?  It's entirely possible just due to age like you said, but since MP is still active in all his other bands maybe not.

He does tour a lot still, but it seems like he doesn’t put as much energy into any one project as he put into DT back in the day. I think one of the reasons for the split was how burned out he had gotten on the album/tour cycle and everything that he put into that. It just feels like if he had stayed he would have had to have backed off some of his micro-management and all of the extra stuff he did for the band and they might still have settled down into the more regimented band they are on tour at least.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 28, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

It's an interesting thought, would DT have ended up in a similar position they are in today even if MP never left?  It's entirely possible just due to age like you said, but since MP is still active in all his other bands maybe not.

He does tour a lot still, but it seems like he doesn’t put as much energy into any one project as he put into DT back in the day. I think one of the reasons for the split was how burned out he had gotten on the album/tour cycle and everything that he put into that. It just feels like if he had stayed he would have had to have backed off some of his micro-management and all of the extra stuff he did for the band and they might still have settled down into the more regimented band they are on tour at least.

Yeah, I can totally see that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on August 28, 2023, 05:54:37 PM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

It's an interesting thought, would DT have ended up in a similar position they are in today even if MP never left? It's entirely possible just due to age like you said, but since MP is still active in all his other bands maybe not.

To answer your question, yes. Most likely. But...at least the drums would sound amazing!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 28, 2023, 08:56:41 PM
don't get me wrong, i don't dislike mangini. but i gotta admit, he doesn't hit me with those unexpected moments like mike portnoy did, like with his surprise vocals at the end of a nightmare to remember. it's not about saying one's better than the other – it's about that element of surprise and sheer creativity. you might debate the quality of things like portnoy's singing, but you can't deny the sheer "whoa" factor - i don't feel that as much with modern dream theater. i don't know, i know some might say that's a good thing, but maybe i'm biased - that was one of the only dream theater songs my wife liked because of the heavier edge portnoy brought to the table.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Working man on August 29, 2023, 04:49:20 AM
I always thought that Mangini would fill in for 5-10 years and MP would be back in the fold. Looks like this is not a likely scenario. Not that I really care anymore - they do what makes them happy and they are all adults. But the Portnoy-Petrucci writing team was something unique that I miss. WM
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 29, 2023, 08:08:15 AM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

Interesting point for sure. Could be. Then again, while MP has slowed down somewhat in terms of the attention to detail/extras he pays one band, that could be because he is involved in SO MANY projects, that he just doesn't have time for it. As we all know, the whole music business evolved significantly, in that the major revenue machine became touring over the last 15 years. With MP jumping from project to project, and perhaps not having the...sense of, for lack of a better term, "ownership" like he did with DT, things change for sure.

But, I'd counter that if MP was with Dream Theater, and just had a couple side projects, I feel like he'd be all-in like he was. Just my own .02.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 29, 2023, 08:27:46 AM
don't get me wrong, i don't dislike mangini. but i gotta admit, he doesn't hit me with those unexpected moments like mike portnoy did, like with his surprise vocals at the end of a nightmare to remember. it's not about saying one's better than the other – it's about that element of surprise and sheer creativity. you might debate the quality of things like portnoy's singing, but you can't deny the sheer "whoa" factor - i don't feel that as much with modern dream theater. i don't know, i know some might say that's a good thing, but maybe i'm biased - that was one of the only dream theater songs my wife liked because of the heavier edge portnoy brought to the table.
Your example of MP's vocals at the end of ANTR was the wrong kind of "whoa" for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 29, 2023, 09:23:15 AM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

Interesting point for sure. Could be. Then again, while MP has slowed down somewhat in terms of the attention to detail/extras he pays one band, that could be because he is involved in SO MANY projects, that he just doesn't have time for it. As we all know, the whole music business evolved significantly, in that the major revenue machine became touring over the last 15 years. With MP jumping from project to project, and perhaps not having the...sense of, for lack of a better term, "ownership" like he did with DT, things change for sure.

But, I'd counter that if MP was with Dream Theater, and just had a couple side projects, I feel like he'd be all-in like he was. Just my own .02.

I just think that possibly the only way he could have stayed and not gotten completely burned out would have been if the band started operating differently. Maybe not exactly the way they are doing things now, but maybe a similar place ultimately.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 29, 2023, 09:26:51 AM
By all accounts, he would have stayed if the rest of the band had agreed to his request for an extended break.  And that's pretty much the only way.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 29, 2023, 09:51:51 AM
To be fair, MP did say that he was open to other alternatives aside from a five-year break. He wanted to spread his wings a bit. The rest of the band didn't want to stop (understandable), and MP was probably a little stubborn. Then shit snowballed.  :lol

I think it came down to MP handling all the other "stuff" related to DT without much help, and had he gotten some of that help, he would have been free to explore some other things without being up to his eyeballs in DT-related matters. Hindsight is 20/20, but communication and flexibility on both sides was lacking.

With DT locked into Mangini (something I think MP respects), the only way MP gets back into DT is if MM decides to leave on his own. But they all love MM, and it will have to be his choice. (IMO.) But MM is also a bit of a weird duck (at least from all the times I've seen him speak publicly), so who knows? Maybe at some point this year he goes "Okay, I've had my fill of this, I'm out, back to Berklee." You never know.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 29, 2023, 11:44:39 AM
That's true, you never know, especially with someone as, well, different as Mangini.  And if he ever does hang up the sticks in DT, I'm sure that MP would be the first call that JP makes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on August 29, 2023, 11:57:44 AM
I'm 100% sure they'd call MP if MM ever left on his own, but I'd love to see someone different like Bobby Jarzombek or Tomas Lang if that ever happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: T-ski on August 29, 2023, 04:51:11 PM
I’ve never had any issues with Mangini’s time in DT, but when I listen to the Portnoy era I find it a much more enjoyable listen. MP just has more ‘rock’ feel in his playing than MM. One isn’t better than the other, it’s just a different vibe.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on August 29, 2023, 05:31:26 PM
I would like to see MP back in Dream Theater before they retire, considering he is a founding member and was with them for the majority of their career. I don't have any illusions about Portnoy's presence in the band making a notable improvement on the material - JP and JR write most of the music so I imagine they would continue on the trajectory they're in now. But it would be cool to see the "classic" lineup be the one to close out the band's career, even if it's like that When Dream and Day Reunite concert where they play a few songs together. Have Mangini and Portnoy both play drums on something even.

I also agree that Mangini is an interesting character. I'll be honest I wasn't really expecting him to stay in DT that long. I figured he would do a few tours and then want to go back to teaching at Berklee as I had gotten the impression that he wasn't interested in the rigorous touring that DT does. It's clear now that he is in it for the long haul, but at the same time I would not be surprised if he decides he doeesn't want to do so much touring anymore. But then again, the other guys in the band are reaching the age where they could easily make that decision as a group.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on August 29, 2023, 05:38:27 PM
That's an interesting question. Who would be the next person to leave DT? Probably Mangini for the reasons you said, in which case yeah, MP would probably rejoin.

After him, then I'd say Myung, as he seems like he gets fulfillment in life outside of the band and doesn't necessarily need it as a core part of his identity. Pure speculation, of course.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: goo-goo on August 29, 2023, 05:41:38 PM
Jordan is getting up there in age...I believe he would be the one to retire first and just write in the studio with DT and not tour.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on August 29, 2023, 05:45:31 PM
Honestly, maybe JR. Total baseless speculation on my part, but as he is the oldest member, I could see him wanting to go his own way and focus on his own projects in the late part of his career.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nekov on August 30, 2023, 04:33:35 AM
don't get me wrong, i don't dislike mangini. but i gotta admit, he doesn't hit me with those unexpected moments like mike portnoy did, like with his surprise vocals at the end of a nightmare to remember. it's not about saying one's better than the other – it's about that element of surprise and sheer creativity. you might debate the quality of things like portnoy's singing, but you can't deny the sheer "whoa" factor - i don't feel that as much with modern dream theater. i don't know, i know some might say that's a good thing, but maybe i'm biased - that was one of the only dream theater songs my wife liked because of the heavier edge portnoy brought to the table.

I remember that the in last show I saw with MP they played Solitary Shell, one of my favorite song of theirs, and MP got down from the kit and started playing a "solo" hitting the drumsticks against the structure of the kit. Totally unexpected and kinda out of place, but it somehow fit the song. And you could tell he was just having fun. I went to a couple of shows with Mangini, but it just wasn't as fun and the energy wasn't there.
So I do agree with you. While the last records with MP weren't great, seeing them playing live with him was a very wholesome experience which I miss a lot.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 30, 2023, 06:16:18 AM
I would like to see MP back in Dream Theater before they retire, considering he is a founding member and was with them for the majority of their career. I don't have any illusions about Portnoy's presence in the band making a notable improvement on the material - JP and JR write most of the music so I imagine they would continue on the trajectory they're in now. But it would be cool to see the "classic" lineup be the one to close out the band's career, even if it's like that When Dream and Day Reunite concert where they play a few songs together. Have Mangini and Portnoy both play drums on something even.

I also agree that Mangini is an interesting character. I'll be honest I wasn't really expecting him to stay in DT that long. I figured he would do a few tours and then want to go back to teaching at Berklee as I had gotten the impression that he wasn't interested in the rigorous touring that DT does. It's clear now that he is in it for the long haul, but at the same time I would not be surprised if he decides he doeesn't want to do so much touring anymore. But then again, the other guys in the band are reaching the age where they could easily make that decision as a group.

I was of the same mind, and so certain I would have put money on it.  I'd've lost, to be sure, but that's what I thought.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 30, 2023, 06:32:42 AM

I remember that the in last show I saw with MP they played Solitary Shell, one of my favorite song of theirs, and MP got down from the kit and started playing a "solo" hitting the drumsticks against the structure of the kit. Totally unexpected and kinda out of place, but it somehow fit the song.

I kind of disagree with this. Solitary Shell '09 might've been one of the most forced and cringey improv parts they ever did.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 30, 2023, 07:38:51 AM

I remember that the in last show I saw with MP they played Solitary Shell, one of my favorite song of theirs, and MP got down from the kit and started playing a "solo" hitting the drumsticks against the structure of the kit. Totally unexpected and kinda out of place, but it somehow fit the song.

I kind of disagree with this. Solitary Shell '09 might've been one of the most forced and cringey improv parts they ever did.

I remember liking it, but honestly, don't remember anything about how it sounded or what they did.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 31, 2023, 09:13:19 AM
I would like to see MP back in Dream Theater before they retire, considering he is a founding member and was with them for the majority of their career. I don't have any illusions about Portnoy's presence in the band making a notable improvement on the material - JP and JR write most of the music so I imagine they would continue on the trajectory they're in now. But it would be cool to see the "classic" lineup be the one to close out the band's career, even if it's like that When Dream and Day Reunite concert where they play a few songs together. Have Mangini and Portnoy both play drums on something even.

I also agree that Mangini is an interesting character. I'll be honest I wasn't really expecting him to stay in DT that long. I figured he would do a few tours and then want to go back to teaching at Berklee as I had gotten the impression that he wasn't interested in the rigorous touring that DT does. It's clear now that he is in it for the long haul, but at the same time I would not be surprised if he decides he doeesn't want to do so much touring anymore. But then again, the other guys in the band are reaching the age where they could easily make that decision as a group.

I was of the same mind, and so certain I would have put money on it.  I'd've lost, to be sure, but that's what I thought.

Same here.

re: who might be the "next" to leave DT.

I think it's going to be MM still. The romantic in me is pining for the SFAM-Black Clouds lineup to unite to end the band, so that is coloring it, but as many burned bridges have been rebuilt, I think at some point everyone will come to the conclusion that the era with MP is probably the right one to close it all out. How long will DT be able to go on, ya know? The Pirate has admitted he can't sing like he used to, it is mega expensive to tour now (and getting more difficult), and DT only plays seated rooms nowadays, and if they stick to that, costs will likely go up. My guess is, DT probably has 12 years of life left. 50th anniversary (Christ, we are all OLD AS F) might be the wrap-up. The 40th is in 2025, and frankly, I'd like to see MP return for that, and stay on. I really would. It's just...time for it...in my mind.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2023, 09:47:40 AM
I can't imagine MP wanting to rejoin if JLB is in his current state.  I know those two made up, and that's great, but that doesn't mean they will be able to work together.  I'm basing this on the fact MP wasn't happy with JLB vocals 20 years ago and things have only gotten worse.  Do a special show or even a final tour, sure, but to officially join back as a full member and continue on, I don't know.  I'm kind of skeptical on that at this point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on August 31, 2023, 10:47:25 AM
I can't imagine MP wanting to rejoin if JLB is in his current state.  I know those two made up, and that's great, but that doesn't mean they will be able to work together.  I'm basing this on the fact MP wasn't happy with JLB vocals 20 years ago and things have only gotten worse.  Do a special show or even a final tour, sure, but to officially join back as a full member and continue on, I don't know.  I'm kind of skeptical on that at this point.

I think you're largely right, but one thing I have been considering, since Morsefest, actually, is that he seems less... not engaged, but maybe "invested"? I think the Mike from 1995 saw a path to everything he dreamed of as a kid, and knew he had the wherewithal, drive, and colleagues to get there. And he was ready to run through walls to get it.   I think, more or less, he did; he either got there or, like many of us do, came to grips with how close he was ever going to get. They went through singer hell, and it's pretty clear from Lifting Shadows that they were concerned that the lack of a singer would derail all their dreams.  1995 was not even five years removed from that. 2000 was only ten.  Now we're almost 35 years down the road, and there's nothing, so to speak, to derail.

I wonder very much if the old demons would arise, or, if like many bands that have gone through fire and came out the other side, they are done and buried.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 31, 2023, 10:55:17 AM
Honestly, while MP was very critical of JLB's vocals, I think time, maturity and where everyone is, financially and personally would temper all of that. JLB cannot be rangy any longer. It's pretty obvious. And MP is a smart guy, he knows that, and I think it wouldn't matter. Just my .02.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on August 31, 2023, 10:55:52 AM
I don't think anything will change unless Mangini quits the band.  The DT guys seem happy with the current lineup.  Petrucci plays or played with Portnoy on his solo record/tour and on LTE3 - he can still have some creative fun with him outside of DT and I don't see them rocking the boat unless Mangini rocks it himself.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 31, 2023, 10:56:58 AM
I would laugh so hard if after this controversy...JM ends up being the one leave.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on August 31, 2023, 11:42:05 AM
What controversy?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lordxizor on August 31, 2023, 12:52:03 PM
I'd love to see a farewell tour with MP in a decade or so. But I can't see them kicking MM to the curb in order to do that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on August 31, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
I don't think anything will change unless Mangini quits the band.

I agree.  Of course everything I'm stating is hypothetical.  I don't see the band kicking Mangini out.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 31, 2023, 01:16:38 PM
I don't think anything will change unless Mangini quits the band.

I agree.  Of course everything I'm stating is hypothetical.  I don't see the band kicking Mangini out.

Agreed. The only way MM leaves is of his own volition. DT won't punt him to the curb. I could see MP and MM sharing some drumming duties for anniversary gigs though.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2023, 01:25:27 PM
I could see MP and MM sharing some drumming duties for anniversary gigs though.

This would signal an end to MM in the band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on August 31, 2023, 02:48:08 PM
We've seen this sort of thing time and time again in Rock history. Once a beloved former member starts making special appearances with the band, a full reunion often becomes inevitable. Seeing MP gradually appear with the band members more often, attend Dream Theater concerts, and participate in side projects makes me feel like things are eventually going to head in that direction. Even MP's involvement with the Lost Not Forgotten series is a tell, being in a position where he's able to participate on the business side of DT again is not something that would've been imaginable a decade ago. I agree that if MP actually appears on stage with DT even to share the stage with MM, it's not going to be long before he is back in the band. I don't think MM would be dismissed necessarily, but I could see them reaching a mutual agreement to part ways. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if before long Mangini decides he's had enough of the touring life. He's made that decision before.

I don't think JLB's vocals would prevent MP from returning. He complained about JLB in and out of the band but it has never been publicly revealed as a factor in his departure. He clearly wants to play in DT again and if it really bothers him he can ask the sound guy to take JLB out of his monitor mix (which I think he might have already been doing).

IMO the biggest roadblock to MP returning is actually MP himself. I don't know if he is going to be welcomed back into the band in the same capacity as when he left, making creative decisions and being the public 'face' of the group. I wonder if he would rejoin the band without assuming a leadership role. I also wonder about his drumming and ability to play songs from the Mangini era. The more albums they make with Mangini, the more difficult it's going to be to avoid playing songs from those albums with MP. I guess they've already started to avoid that era themselves - we're starting to see a pattern of MM era songs being retired immediately after their tour debuts, but there are a few songs (mainly from ADTOE) that have become staples. Portnoy himself has said that Mangini is a better drummer and he would probably have to rework a lot of the parts, not sure if he wants to come into DT as a comparative weak link.

Overall though the fact that we're talking about this in context of MM's status in the band more than anything else makes me feel like a reunion is more realistic now than it has ever been previously. There was a pretty long stretch where he wasn't even on speaking terms with a lot of the band. That is a much larger hurdle to overcome.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on August 31, 2023, 03:01:51 PM
We've seen this sort of thing time and time again in Rock history. Once a beloved former member starts making special appearances with the band, a full reunion often becomes inevitable. Seeing MP gradually appear with the band members more often, attend Dream Theater concerts, and participate in side projects makes me feel like things are eventually going to head in that direction. Even MP's involvement with the Lost Not Forgotten series is a tell, being in a position where he's able to participate on the business side of DT again is not something that would've been imaginable a decade ago. I agree that if MP actually appears on stage with DT even to share the stage with MM, it's not going to be long before he is back in the band. I don't think MM would be dismissed necessarily, but I could see them reaching a mutual agreement to part ways. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if before long Mangini decides he's had enough of the touring life. He's made that decision before.

I don't think JLB's vocals would prevent MP from returning. He complained about JLB in and out of the band but it has never been publicly revealed as a factor in his departure. He clearly wants to play in DT again and if it really bothers him he can ask the sound guy to take JLB out of his monitor mix (which I think he might have already been doing).

IMO the biggest roadblock to MP returning is actually MP himself. I don't know if he is going to be welcomed back into the band in the same capacity as when he left, making creative decisions and being the public 'face' of the group. I wonder if he would rejoin the band without assuming a leadership role. I also wonder about his drumming and ability to play songs from the Mangini era. The more albums they make with Mangini, the more difficult it's going to be to avoid playing songs from those albums with MP. I guess they've already started to avoid that era themselves - we're starting to see a pattern of MM era songs being retired immediately after their tour debuts, but there are a few songs (mainly from ADTOE) that have become staples. Portnoy himself has said that Mangini is a better drummer and he would probably have to rework a lot of the parts, not sure if he wants to come into DT as a comparative weak link.

Overall though the fact that we're talking about this in context of MM's status in the band more than anything else makes me feel like a reunion is more realistic now than it has ever been previously. There was a pretty long stretch where he wasn't even on speaking terms with a lot of the band. That is a much larger hurdle to overcome.

Regarding MP coming in and playing MM's parts, I think MP once said that if he did come back, he probably wouldn't play MM's parts (though I don't think he said the songs, so he probably would make his own parts up), using the analogy of asking Derek Sherinian to come in and play Jordan's parts. Now, I don't think Portnoy is to Mangini as Sherinian is to Rudess, but Portnoy is definitely humble enough to know that Mangini does have skills he couldn't possibly replicate.

I've seen drummers online play MP-esque parts to MM-era songs and I think Portnoy could do it, but it would change the feel on more than a few songs, so IDK how fans of the MM-era songs would react.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Samsara on August 31, 2023, 03:05:53 PM
I agree with Mosh. There are a lot of signs. And when that happens, inevitably, it leads to something. Not always what we think, but something. We'll see what happens in DT. The band calling it quits without Portnoy...wouldn't seem right. But it's not right to dump MM either, and I doubt anyone in the band would be okay with that. So we'll see how it all transpires. I'm just glad that MP seems to be on good terms with all of them, and back to being brothers with JP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on August 31, 2023, 04:40:18 PM
I really don’t see them going to a 50th anniversary. James and Mangini will be over 70 and Jordan well into his 70’s. I don’t think James or Mangini can physically handle a DT at that age. I could be totally wrong though.

My guess is one more album and tour cycle. Then a farewell tour with Portnoy sharing drum duty or something.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2023, 04:59:17 PM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on August 31, 2023, 05:12:28 PM
I agree with bosk, definitely more than one album and tour cycle left. 

I've got to say, I was listening to Train of Thought this morning for the first time in a long time - and boy do MP's drums "pop" on that album!  They sound amazing, and there's just an energy that has been missing since his departure (and I'm a big Mangini fan).  DT will always be JP, JM and MP for me.  I do hope he rejoins at some point before they call it quits!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on August 31, 2023, 05:16:18 PM
I really don’t see them going to a 50th anniversary. James and Mangini will be over 70 and Jordan well into his 70’s. I don’t think James or Mangini can physically handle a DT at that age. I could be totally wrong though.

My guess is one more album and tour cycle. Then a farewell tour with Portnoy sharing drum duty or something.

As of today, the band members' ages are:
JR - 66
JLB - 60
MM - 60
JM - 56
JP - 56
MP - 56

I could see JM, JP, and MP reaching a Dream Theater 50th Anniversary in 2035 where they'll all be around 68 years old. I wouldn't count on them doing "The Glass Prison", "This Dying Soul", "A Nightmare To Remember" or more than one epic, but they might make it there! As for JR, he'd be 78 and I'm just not sure he'd still want to be touring extensively by then. Same for JLB and MM.

I agree with Trav86 - we may get one more album, and a tour to support it in 2024, but then do a 40th Anniversary Tour in 2025/2026 and then call it a day officially. Maybe do a reunion tour later down the line but I could see them going their separate ways once JM/JP hit 60 or 65.

Are any of them grandparents yet? I know most of them have adult children, but I think once they become grandparents, they might want to take it easy and enjoy life and grandchildren and what not. I doubt they'll retire from music permanently, as they all seem to be in fairly good shape, but I could see them not wanting to tour as extensively as they have been in the last decade or so.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on August 31, 2023, 05:24:22 PM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

Agree on some. For the record though, Rush ended on their 40th anniversary. 41 actually lol. I could see DT making it to 40. 

But DT’s music is more physically demanding than all of those bands mentioned. For every member.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2023, 05:42:50 PM

As of today, the band members' ages are:
JR - 66
JLB - 60
MM - 60
JM - 56
JP - 56
MP - 56


DT is a 6 piece??
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on August 31, 2023, 06:09:15 PM

As of today, the band members' ages are:
JR - 66
JLB - 60
MM - 60
JM - 56
JP - 56
MP - 56


DT is a 6 piece??

They're a 10 piece once you count everyone who has been in the band!

But I included MP's age because we are talking about him here in a thread dedicated to him and his chances of rejoining the band. Not everyone might know he's the same age as JP and JM so I figured I'd include his age anyway.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on August 31, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
I’ve never had any issues with Mangini’s time in DT, but when I listen to the Portnoy era I find it a much more enjoyable listen. MP just has more ‘rock’ feel in his playing than MM. One isn’t better than the other, it’s just a different vibe.

I feel exactly the same. The funny thing is he would have to learn the Mangini albums, which sounds kind of funny. I would hope he would do his thing with the songs... I hope one day we have this debate for real but I just doubt it ever happens and who would break that news to Mangini and have a good reason?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on August 31, 2023, 07:08:20 PM

As of today, the band members' ages are:
JR - 66
JLB - 60
MM - 60
JM - 56
JP - 56
MP - 56


DT is a 6 piece??

They're a 10 piece once you count everyone who has been in the band!

But I included MP's age because we are talking about him here in a thread dedicated to him and his chances of rejoining the band. Not everyone might know he's the same age as JP and JM so I figured I'd include his age anyway.

-Marc.

I know. I was just busting your chops. :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on August 31, 2023, 07:28:14 PM

As of today, the band members' ages are:
JR - 66
JLB - 60
MM - 60
JM - 56
JP - 56
MP - 56


DT is a 6 piece??

They're a 10 piece once you count everyone who has been in the band!

But I included MP's age because we are talking about him here in a thread dedicated to him and his chances of rejoining the band. Not everyone might know he's the same age as JP and JM so I figured I'd include his age anyway.

-Marc.

Charlie Dominici - 72!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on August 31, 2023, 07:32:40 PM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

Crazy, it doesnt feel that long ago they were celebrating 20 years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 31, 2023, 08:18:02 PM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

Your post has me wondering about an “end of tour” 40th celebration with a one night only “evening with” format. One set for each drummer, then an encore with both.

EDIT - …and then Jordan announcing retirement.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2023, 09:11:43 PM
Agree on some. For the record though, Rush ended on their 40th anniversary. 41 actually lol. I could see DT making it to 40. 

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not a Rush fan, so I could very well be), it was the 40th anniversary of their self-titled album.  But at the end of the tour, it had been 50 years since they formed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 31, 2023, 09:13:30 PM
Agree on some. For the record though, Rush ended on their 40th anniversary. 41 actually lol. I could see DT making it to 40. 

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not a Rush fan, so I could very well be), it was the 40th anniversary of their self-titled album.  But at the end of the tour, it had been 50 years since they formed.
Actually no. They formed towards the end of 1968, so it would've been almost 47 years since they formed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2023, 09:17:40 PM
Oh, OK.  So Trav and I were both wrong.  But I was closer.  :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 31, 2023, 09:27:17 PM
Agree on some. For the record though, Rush ended on their 40th anniversary. 41 actually lol. I could see DT making it to 40. 

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not a Rush fan, so I could very well be), it was the 40th anniversary of their self-titled album.  But at the end of the tour, it had been 50 years since they formed.
Actually no. They formed towards the end of 1968, so it would've been almost 47 years since they formed.

And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2023, 09:36:28 PM
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on August 31, 2023, 09:40:04 PM
And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Wat. Umm no. I was *at* their final show, and I remember the date perfectly: August 1, 2015
 
 
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well given that Neil said that tour was it and nothing more was happening, I'd say 2015 was it, regardless of when it was announced. So neener neener neener!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 31, 2023, 09:47:08 PM
And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Wat. Umm no. I was *at* their final show, and I remember the date perfectly: August 1, 2015
 
 
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well given that Neil said that tour was it and nothing more was happening, I'd say 2015 was it, regardless of when it was announced. So neener neener neener!   :biggrin:

Read Wiki wrong.  I concede.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProgMasterMind92 on August 31, 2023, 10:03:16 PM
like a dad who stepped out for a pack of smokes who a decade later you see having fun with his new families i still hold onto faith that one day portnoy will return no matter how fruitless and poisonous it might be to hold onto that idea 13 years later... i am still in denial, i miss him so much
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 31, 2023, 10:30:13 PM
Does the marriage analogy apply here? Is this like being married to someone for decades, getting divorced, getting remarried, and then before dying getting back together with your ex for one last fling?

I appreciate everyone has their own feelings on the matter, it's why we are all here. But I find it fascinating it makes sense to people they reunite with MP before riding off in to the sunset. If that's what they decide to do, and they continue to release music I enjoy, I am on board the train as I have been since 1992. But getting back with MP out of some sense of history or legacy just doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on August 31, 2023, 10:55:23 PM
Does the marriage analogy apply here? Is this like being married to someone for decades, getting divorced, getting remarried, and then before dying getting back together with your ex for one last fling?

I appreciate everyone has their own feelings on the matter, it's why we are all here. But I find it fascinating it makes sense to people they reunite with MP before riding off in to the sunset. If that's what they decide to do, and they continue to release music I enjoy, I am on board the train as I have been since 1992. But getting back with MP out of some sense of history or legacy just doesn't make sense to me.

Because as much as people liken bands to marriages, they are really more like friendships. And long-term friendships can heal with time more easily than bitter marriage break ups do.

And to stack on top of that analogy, there’s something far more satisfying about friends making amends because of their shared history, than there is about ex-marriage mates making a curtain call because of the masses.

We’d like to believe that our scenario would be the former and not the latter.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on August 31, 2023, 11:29:18 PM
I get all that, though I am discovering I am less invested than many are here on what their relationships are with each other. I just don't extend that to how the band closes their career. It's late, what I am trying to say made sense to me in my head as I was reading this thread today....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on August 31, 2023, 11:57:22 PM
:marriageanalogy:

Oh nice, the smiley still works. :D

I get what Cool Chris is saying, I think it's just a reality of a lot of legacy bands which is what Dream Theater is starting to become. They're reaching that "third stage" of their career where a lot of the live focus is looking back.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on September 01, 2023, 03:38:48 AM
And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Wat. Umm no. I was *at* their final show, and I remember the date perfectly: August 1, 2015
 
 
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well given that Neil said that tour was it and nothing more was happening, I'd say 2015 was it, regardless of when it was announced. So neener neener neener!   :biggrin:


I was just going by the fact that they called the final tour R40. Since it was their 40th anniversary. And I realize they are basing that on when their first album was released not when they formed in a basement. Which I think is the proper way to gauge the anniversaries. DT should count their’s starting from 1989 not 1985. By whatever, doesn’t matter now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 01, 2023, 06:37:56 AM
And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Wat. Umm no. I was *at* their final show, and I remember the date perfectly: August 1, 2015
 
 
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well given that Neil said that tour was it and nothing more was happening, I'd say 2015 was it, regardless of when it was announced. So neener neener neener!   :biggrin:


I was just going by the fact that they called the final tour R40. Since it was their 40th anniversary. And I realize they are basing that on when their first album was released not when they formed in a basement. Which I think is the proper way to gauge the anniversaries. DT should count their’s starting from 1989 not 1985. By whatever, doesn’t matter now.

Yeah, 1986 being the founding year does seem kind of a funny thing to say since they weren’t even called Dream Theater then, but it’s kind of whatever.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 01, 2023, 07:36:26 AM
Does the marriage analogy apply here? Is this like being married to someone for decades, getting divorced, getting remarried, and then before dying getting back together with your ex for one last fling?

I appreciate everyone has their own feelings on the matter, it's why we are all here. But I find it fascinating it makes sense to people they reunite with MP before riding off in to the sunset. If that's what they decide to do, and they continue to release music I enjoy, I am on board the train as I have been since 1992. But getting back with MP out of some sense of history or legacy just doesn't make sense to me.

Because as much as people liken bands to marriages, they are really more like friendships. And long-term friendships can heal with time more easily than bitter marriage break ups do.

And to stack on top of that analogy, there’s something far more satisfying about friends making amends because of their shared history, than there is about ex-marriage mates making a curtain call because of the masses.

We’d like to believe that our scenario would be the former and not the latter.

No.  We have been spoiled by Rush.  They are BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS.  Sometimes they are civil and friendly - Iron Maiden - and sometimes they are not - The Rolling Stones; Aerosmith; Yes - but they are ultimately business relationships.  I think the only way these are really like marriages is in the fact that in any long-term marriage, the parties have to give and take, and have to grow together.  I think Mike P is different now than he was in '95.  I can't prove it, I've never spoken to him about it (how??) but I sense that he's not the same guy - for better or worse, I think better - than he was in '95.  I don't think the band ever "relieves" Mangini, but I also think that a six-man conversation where Mangini says "this is the way it's got to be" and steps aside.   I don't get the sense that any of those six guys wants to be in a band that doesn't want them or can't use them to their max.  DT is not the Allman Brothers or the Dead; they are not both staying.   I think Mike Mangini is Bruce Kulick circa 1996 at the end of the day.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 01, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Wat. Umm no. I was *at* their final show, and I remember the date perfectly: August 1, 2015
 
 
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well given that Neil said that tour was it and nothing more was happening, I'd say 2015 was it, regardless of when it was announced. So neener neener neener!   :biggrin:
I was just going by the fact that they called the final tour R40. Since it was their 40th anniversary. And I realize they are basing that on when their first album was released not when they formed in a basement. Which I think is the proper way to gauge the anniversaries. DT should count their’s starting from 1989 not 1985. By whatever, doesn’t matter now.
Yeah, 1986 being the founding year does seem kind of a funny thing to say since they weren’t even called Dream Theater then, but it’s kind of whatever.
Actually 1985 (DT's 20th anniversary tour started in 2005). It may seem strange, but some bands count their anniversary from when they were formed like DT, and others from when their first album came out like Rush, and some are in-between, like Judas Priest who formed in 1969, but had their first album come out in 1974 and yet they started their 50th anniversary tour in (I believe) 2022. In fact, I'd wager another reason why Rush chose to count only from 1974 on was not just because that's when their first album came out, but also when Neil joined the band.

Regarding DT and the name change, you'd have more of an argument if Majesty played a different style of music than Dream Theater, but as we all know it was a name change that was basically forced upon them. So I don't think that detail means anything whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 01, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
And played their final show at the end of 2014. So that’s pretty much 46 on the dot. But if you’re using the mathematical rule of “rounding off” then Bosk is still correct in his assertion. (Though, I personally think that’s a big stretch)  ;)
Wat. Umm no. I was *at* their final show, and I remember the date perfectly: August 1, 2015
 
 
Yeah, but I just looked it up, and they didn't announce that they were done until 2018.  So I'm going with 50 and you can't tell me otherwise.
Well given that Neil said that tour was it and nothing more was happening, I'd say 2015 was it, regardless of when it was announced. So neener neener neener!   :biggrin:
I was just going by the fact that they called the final tour R40. Since it was their 40th anniversary. And I realize they are basing that on when their first album was released not when they formed in a basement. Which I think is the proper way to gauge the anniversaries. DT should count their’s starting from 1989 not 1985. By whatever, doesn’t matter now.
Yeah, 1986 being the founding year does seem kind of a funny thing to say since they weren’t even called Dream Theater then, but it’s kind of whatever.
Actually 1985 (DT's 20th anniversary tour started in 2005). It may seem strange, but some bands count their anniversary from when they were formed like DT, and others from when their first album came out like Rush, and some are in-between, like Judas Priest who formed in 1969, but had their first album come out in 1974 and yet they started their 50th anniversary tour in (I believe) 2022. In fact, I'd wager another reason why Rush chose to count only from 1974 on was not just because that's when their first album came out, but also when Neil joined the band.

Regarding DT and the name change, you'd have more of an argument if Majesty played a different style of music than Dream Theater, but as we all know it was a name change that was basically forced upon them. So I don't think that detail means anything whatsoever.

Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2023, 12:51:25 PM
Well, we can quibble over dates for all of these situations, but I don't really see the point.  The broader issue we were discussing is simply whether DT will make it to 50 years of existing or fold up after one more album and tour cycle.  And my position on that is that there are many bands out there that have made it to around the 50-year mark, so it's not like DT doing so would be somehow unprecedented.

And Priest was thrown in as another one that has made it to 50 and beyond.  Heck, Scorpions are coming up on 60, and Sabbath isn't far behind.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2023, 01:10:28 PM
Well, we can quibble over dates for all of these situations, but I don't really see the point.  The broader issue we were discussing is simply whether DT will make it to 50 years of existing or fold up after one more album and tour cycle.  And my position on that is that there are many bands out there that have made it to around the 50-year mark, so it's not like DT doing so would be somehow unprecedented.

And Priest was thrown in as another one that has made it to 50 and beyond.  Heck, Scorpions are coming up on 60, and Sabbath isn't far behind.

Definitely valid for most of that, but Priest is a bit tough since both guitarists are relatively new and young.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 01, 2023, 01:13:34 PM
Well, we can quibble over dates for all of these situations, but I don't really see the point.  The broader issue we were discussing is simply whether DT will make it to 50 years of existing or fold up after one more album and tour cycle.  And my position on that is that there are many bands out there that have made it to around the 50-year mark, so it's not like DT doing so would be somehow unprecedented.
Agreed. The one difference I would say between DT and many of these bands is that what DT is playing is significantly more challenging. The only exception would be Yes, but from what I've read, it sounds like they've slowed down their performances noticeably.

And Priest was thrown in as another one that has made it to 50 and beyond.  Heck, Scorpions are coming up on 60, and Sabbath isn't far behind.
Not to split hairs, but I don't think Sabbath really counts. Ozzy's basically toast; Bill Ward definitely is and it doesn't sound like Tony's willing to do any real touring any more because of his health concerns. So outside of perhaps a one-off gig here or there (and even that's debatable given Ozzy's condition), I think Sabbath's days are done.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 01, 2023, 01:25:04 PM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on September 01, 2023, 01:26:57 PM
I loved reading about that period in the Lifting Shadows book. Plus the David Prater stuff... what a character!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 01, 2023, 02:07:04 PM
DT have always counted anniversaries from the moment they started, that is 1985. The 20th anniversary tour was in 2005 and their short 30th anniv. tour was in 2015. Whether they make it to 50 (2035) is a completely different story.

Right now, it's all about what are they going to do for their 40th, which I'd love to see celebrated properly and not like they did for the 30th.

If they release a new album in early 2024, they could type that whole year for it and then head into 2025 with a tour fully focused on the celebration, not an album promotion cycle.

As for MP being part of it or not, I'd welcome a one off "big" show with him, but more than that would be a huge warning sign for MM, IMO. However, I have to say the WDADR version of Metropolis with Charlie and Derek is my all time favorite live version of the song and would love to see something similar happen with the current lineup + MP and Derek. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 01, 2023, 02:39:48 PM
I've always wondered what it would be like if bands were run like some other family businesses where the kids take them over and run them in (theoretically) in perpetuity.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 01, 2023, 02:43:06 PM
DT have always counted anniversaries from the moment they started, that is 1985. The 20th anniversary tour was in 2005 and their short 30th anniv. tour was in 2015. Whether they make it to 50 (2035) is a completely different story.

Right now, it's all about what are they going to do for their 40th, which I'd love to see celebrated properly and not like they did for the 30th.

If they release a new album in early 2024, they could type that whole year for it and then head into 2025 with a tour fully focused on the celebration, not an album promotion cycle.

As for MP being part of it or not, I'd welcome a one off "big" show with him, but more than that would be a huge warning sign for MM, IMO. However, I have to say the WDADR version of Metropolis with Charlie and Derek is my all time favorite live version of the song and would love to see something similar happen with the current lineup + MP and Derek.

Instead of "Metropolis Pt. 1" with all members past and present, I'd love to see them tackle "A Change Of Seasons" with all members. The overdubbed drum parts could finally be played live with two drummers, and the vocal layers could be handled with James, Charlie, Mike P. and John P. Besides, I think we have enough "special" performances of "Metropolis Pt. 1" on live albums and not enough performances of ACOS.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 01, 2023, 03:40:06 PM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20

Obviously why I chose the username. MP told me they were considering Glasser and Gray Matter as the bands name.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 01, 2023, 03:44:17 PM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20

Obviously why I chose the username. MP told me they were considering Glasser and Gray Matter as the bands name.

The funny thing is I was just reading the Lifting Shadows book a couple months ago and got to the Glasser part and thought "that must be where his user name comes from." Just couldn't remember the timeline of when all that happened.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on September 01, 2023, 03:45:02 PM
DT have always counted anniversaries from the moment they started, that is 1985. The 20th anniversary tour was in 2005 and their short 30th anniv. tour was in 2015. Whether they make it to 50 (2035) is a completely different story.

Right now, it's all about what are they going to do for their 40th, which I'd love to see celebrated properly and not like they did for the 30th.

If they release a new album in early 2024, they could type that whole year for it and then head into 2025 with a tour fully focused on the celebration, not an album promotion cycle.

As for MP being part of it or not, I'd welcome a one off "big" show with him, but more than that would be a huge warning sign for MM, IMO. However, I have to say the WDADR version of Metropolis with Charlie and Derek is my all time favorite live version of the song and would love to see something similar happen with the current lineup + MP and Derek.

Instead of "Metropolis Pt. 1" with all members past and present, I'd love to see them tackle "A Change Of Seasons" with all members. The overdubbed drum parts could finally be played live with two drummers, and the vocal layers could be handled with James, Charlie, Mike P. and John P. Besides, I think we have enough "special" performances of "Metropolis Pt. 1" on live albums and not enough performances of ACOS.

-Marc.

For sure! That'd be a great one to do :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on September 01, 2023, 03:45:38 PM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20

Obviously why I chose the username. MP told me they were considering Glasser and Gray Matter as the bands name.

It's certainly a better forum name than a band name. :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 01, 2023, 04:22:13 PM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20
Obviously why I chose the username. MP told me they were considering Glasser and Gray Matter as the bands name.
So, you chose to name yourself after DT's former lawyer?    :facepalm:

You shoulda gone with Howard Portnoy's favorite name submission instead: Asparagus Piss
 :biggrin:

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 02, 2023, 07:45:28 AM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20

Obviously why I chose the username. MP told me they were considering Glasser and Gray Matter as the bands name.

It's certainly a better forum name than a band name. :biggrin:

I agree. I always thought Dream Theater was a great band name honestly, especially for a prog band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 02, 2023, 11:47:27 AM
Were they still Majesty when Dominici was in the band, or had they already changed by then? I kind of feel like that's the first real lineup, but I agree there's no bright line and I guess if you want to go by whenever they intended to start a band together or performed together you can. It would be kind of weird to say they weren't a band before WDADU since they did play together for a long time regardless of the name or exact personnel.
Yes they were still Majesty when Charlie was in the band. In fact WDaDU was recorded while they were still Majesty. It was only when they were in the stages of planning to release it that they discovered that they would need to change their name. In fact, they performed a few shows as Majesty in 1988 with Charlie before the name change. Here's the show where they announced the name change to....Glasser!
https://mptour.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=20
Obviously why I chose the username. MP told me they were considering Glasser and Gray Matter as the bands name.
So, you chose to name yourself after DT's former lawyer?    :facepalm:

You shoulda gone with Howard Portnoy's favorite name submission instead: Asparagus Piss
 :biggrin:
Even worse, why would the band consider naming themselves after a lawyer who lost the case?  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on September 02, 2023, 01:04:27 PM
and some are in-between, like Judas Priest who formed in 1969, but had their first album come out in 1974 and yet they started their 50th anniversary tour in (I believe) 2022.

Priest actually announced their 50th anniversary for 2019.  The 2020 dates were delayed because of the pandemic, which pushed the tour further on into 2022.  So they started counting the years as of their actual formation as a band.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 01:29:41 PM
I think a lot of what people miss with DT is just the sort of vibe they had when they were younger, it was them against the world/industry, and they were just kind of willing to do all kinds of crazy things that guys in their 20s and 30s are probably more willing to do than guys in their 40s and 50s. I suspect the band would have become more predictable and pre-formatted (for lack of a better term) whether or not MP stayed. Maybe there would be somewhat more spontaneity with MP still in the band, but I’d guess age would have slowed him down some in that regard as well.

It's an interesting thought, would DT have ended up in a similar position they are in today even if MP never left?  It's entirely possible just due to age like you said, but since MP is still active in all his other bands maybe not.

He does tour a lot still, but it seems like he doesn’t put as much energy into any one project as he put into DT back in the day. I think one of the reasons for the split was how burned out he had gotten on the album/tour cycle and everything that he put into that. It just feels like if he had stayed he would have had to have backed off some of his micro-management and all of the extra stuff he did for the band and they might still have settled down into the more regimented band they are on tour at least.


It's a lot easier to do at 30 than at 55. The industry has changed so much now that you have to work harder just to try an maintain the same level.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 17, 2023, 01:43:05 PM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

None of those bands play the demanding music that Dream Theater does. They may last longer if their "Evening With's" are done (except for maybe an especially special gig.) Definitely close to the end but who knows how close. 5 years? 7? 10?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2023, 10:19:38 AM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

None of those bands play the demanding music that Dream Theater does. They may last longer if their "Evening With's" are done (except for maybe an especially special gig.) Definitely close to the end but who knows how close. 5 years? 7? 10?

I get that we love here to say how amazing DT is (AND THEY ARE!, no question) but I look at Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Robert Fripp, Rick Wakeman... they all played or are playing into their 70s, and still playing at a decent enough level (yes, I know there have been criticisms about Yes and tempos...), I think, respectfully (and excepting the drummers) that we're talking ART, not athletic competitions.    I want to hear what DT (and others) today think of the music of their past.  If they can't play it any longer, so be it, show me what you do with that.

They may have dexterity in their fingers, but don't tell me John Myung is "losing eight pounds every performance" (I read that somewhere about Mick Jagger).   Kiss; they figured out a way to be way more athletic on stage than half the people here (at 2/3 the age), and those members that couldn't hang, well....  All artists are humans, and all humans have to deal with their mortality.  I used to play softball tournaments where I'd play 10 games in a weekend.  I can't play one game in a WEEK now, and that's the way it goes. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 18, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

None of those bands play the demanding music that Dream Theater does. They may last longer if their "Evening With's" are done (except for maybe an especially special gig.) Definitely close to the end but who knows how close. 5 years? 7? 10?

I get that we love here to say how amazing DT is (AND THEY ARE!, no question) but I look at Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Robert Fripp, Rick Wakeman... they all played or are playing into their 70s, and still playing at a decent enough level (yes, I know there have been criticisms about Yes and tempos...), I think, respectfully (and excepting the drummers) that we're talking ART, not athletic competitions.    I want to hear what DT (and others) today think of the music of their past.  If they can't play it any longer, so be it, show me what you do with that.

They may have dexterity in their fingers, but don't tell me John Myung is "losing eight pounds every performance" (I read that somewhere about Mick Jagger).   Kiss; they figured out a way to be way more athletic on stage than half the people here (at 2/3 the age), and those members that couldn't hang, well....  All artists are humans, and all humans have to deal with their mortality.  I used to play softball tournaments where I'd play 10 games in a weekend.  I can't play one game in a WEEK now, and that's the way it goes.

if you couldn't even play one softball game in a week, maybe you should practice more. that'd be my recommendation
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2023, 10:45:26 AM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

None of those bands play the demanding music that Dream Theater does. They may last longer if their "Evening With's" are done (except for maybe an especially special gig.) Definitely close to the end but who knows how close. 5 years? 7? 10?

I get that we love here to say how amazing DT is (AND THEY ARE!, no question) but I look at Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Robert Fripp, Rick Wakeman... they all played or are playing into their 70s, and still playing at a decent enough level (yes, I know there have been criticisms about Yes and tempos...), I think, respectfully (and excepting the drummers) that we're talking ART, not athletic competitions.    I want to hear what DT (and others) today think of the music of their past.  If they can't play it any longer, so be it, show me what you do with that.

They may have dexterity in their fingers, but don't tell me John Myung is "losing eight pounds every performance" (I read that somewhere about Mick Jagger).   Kiss; they figured out a way to be way more athletic on stage than half the people here (at 2/3 the age), and those members that couldn't hang, well....  All artists are humans, and all humans have to deal with their mortality.  I used to play softball tournaments where I'd play 10 games in a weekend.  I can't play one game in a WEEK now, and that's the way it goes.

if you couldn't even play one softball game in a week, maybe you should practice more. that'd be my recommendation



I have some recommendations, too, but I'll keep them to myself for now. 

(For the rest, it was hyperbole.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 18, 2023, 10:47:16 AM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on September 18, 2023, 10:48:18 AM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

None of those bands play the demanding music that Dream Theater does. They may last longer if their "Evening With's" are done (except for maybe an especially special gig.) Definitely close to the end but who knows how close. 5 years? 7? 10?

I get that we love here to say how amazing DT is (AND THEY ARE!, no question) but I look at Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Robert Fripp, Rick Wakeman... they all played or are playing into their 70s, and still playing at a decent enough level (yes, I know there have been criticisms about Yes and tempos...), I think, respectfully (and excepting the drummers) that we're talking ART, not athletic competitions.    I want to hear what DT (and others) today think of the music of their past.  If they can't play it any longer, so be it, show me what you do with that.

They may have dexterity in their fingers, but don't tell me John Myung is "losing eight pounds every performance" (I read that somewhere about Mick Jagger).   Kiss; they figured out a way to be way more athletic on stage than half the people here (at 2/3 the age), and those members that couldn't hang, well....  All artists are humans, and all humans have to deal with their mortality.  I used to play softball tournaments where I'd play 10 games in a weekend.  I can't play one game in a WEEK now, and that's the way it goes.

if you couldn't even play one softball game in a week, maybe you should practice more. that'd be my recommendation

Jeez, man.  :huh:

Hey, let's try and remember that we're all friends here...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 18, 2023, 10:49:14 AM
I think the answer is likely somewhere in between.  Yeah, 50th is a long time.  But there are bands around today that have done it.  Metallica are only 8 years from that (less, actually).  Def Leppard are 4 years away.  U2 are 3 years.  Maiden are 2.  Rush made it to 50.  Bands like Aerosmith, Y&T, and the Stones are past 50.  Again, not sure DT will hang around that long, but they could.  There is certainly precedent.  3 bands that are major influences on DT are on that list above.  Whether or not they make it to 50 years, I think it will be closer to 50 than to just "one more album and tour cycle."  They are not showing ANY signs of wanting to wind it up after the next album and tour (which will take them past 40 years), despite that people have been saying "just one more album and tour cycle" since Octavarium.  That day will come, but I don't think we are close to it yet.

None of those bands play the demanding music that Dream Theater does. They may last longer if their "Evening With's" are done (except for maybe an especially special gig.) Definitely close to the end but who knows how close. 5 years? 7? 10?

I get that we love here to say how amazing DT is (AND THEY ARE!, no question) but I look at Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Robert Fripp, Rick Wakeman... they all played or are playing into their 70s, and still playing at a decent enough level (yes, I know there have been criticisms about Yes and tempos...), I think, respectfully (and excepting the drummers) that we're talking ART, not athletic competitions.    I want to hear what DT (and others) today think of the music of their past.  If they can't play it any longer, so be it, show me what you do with that.

They may have dexterity in their fingers, but don't tell me John Myung is "losing eight pounds every performance" (I read that somewhere about Mick Jagger).   Kiss; they figured out a way to be way more athletic on stage than half the people here (at 2/3 the age), and those members that couldn't hang, well....  All artists are humans, and all humans have to deal with their mortality.  I used to play softball tournaments where I'd play 10 games in a weekend.  I can't play one game in a WEEK now, and that's the way it goes.

if you couldn't even play one softball game in a week, maybe you should practice more. that'd be my recommendation

Jeez, man.  :huh:

Hey, let's try and remember that we're all friends here...

no offense was intended. it was a simple reading of the post (seeing that they could no longer play softball much) and suggesting practice. like i mentioned i think it was just a generational difference between us! no harm intended!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2023, 12:38:41 PM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 18, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

So you're saying JP is not a good infielder but as long as he continues his hot hitting all is ok??  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2023, 12:58:42 PM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

So you're saying JP is not a good infielder but as long as he continues his hot hitting all is ok??  :biggrin:

Exactly!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 18, 2023, 01:01:59 PM
yeah, sorry for the confusion folks. i guess there's just a disconnect between silent generation and millennials humor that i got confused with the "hyperbole"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 18, 2023, 01:05:07 PM
No harm no foul...  the funny thing is, I bag on my daughter - she's 22 - for engaging in TOO MUCH hyperbole.  "I'm super this" and "I'm super that!"  Why can't you just be "this", or "that"?   Why do you have to be SUPER "this" or "that"?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on September 18, 2023, 02:36:47 PM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

Musicians deal with physical injuries and limitations that are a lot less apparent though. As I was recent to learn, before Neil Peart died, Alex's arthritis was one of the major reasons that Rush weren't touring more.

Some guys are just incredibly gifted in the genetic sense but there are more physical complications that come up with performing and I don't really see them get credit a whole lot.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 18, 2023, 02:43:10 PM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

Musicians deal with physical injuries and limitations that are a lot less apparent though. As I was recent to learn, before Neil Peart died, Alex's arthritis was one of the major reasons that Rush weren't touring more.

Some guys are just incredibly gifted in the genetic sense but there are more physical complications that come up with performing and I don't really see them get credit a whole lot.

I don't know how luxurious DT's touring accommodations are (they probably are able to be a bit pampered there), but just the crazy hours and travel schedules alone have to get tougher when you get older.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 18, 2023, 02:47:16 PM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

Musicians deal with physical injuries and limitations that are a lot less apparent though. As I was recent to learn, before Neil Peart died, Alex's arthritis was one of the major reasons that Rush weren't touring more.

Some guys are just incredibly gifted in the genetic sense but there are more physical complications that come up with performing and I don't really see them get credit a whole lot.

I don't know how luxurious DT's touring accommodations are (they probably are able to be a bit pampered there), but just the crazy hours and travel schedules alone have to get tougher when you get older.

i remember the chaos over the world tour (the one that looked like a MP home video) DVD and it had a bunch of really awesome extras and one of them was about james' daily tour life and in it it featured him running 5 miles a day on a treadmill while doing his vocal warmups. i always think of that video when seeing him sing live on stage now because it's funny to imagine him making his famous james faces and running on a treadmill while singing.

just as long as he doesn't fall and get hurt, i think the image is incredibly amusing

edit: made a quick "photoshop" to try and illustrate what i mean

(https://i.imgur.com/inU4AHl.png)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2023, 06:41:22 AM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

Musicians deal with physical injuries and limitations that are a lot less apparent though. As I was recent to learn, before Neil Peart died, Alex's arthritis was one of the major reasons that Rush weren't touring more.

Some guys are just incredibly gifted in the genetic sense but there are more physical complications that come up with performing and I don't really see them get credit a whole lot.

And I do get that (and am aware my post doesn't really reflect that understanding).  I've already excluded drummer's from the list, but Peter Criss and Bill Ward are two examples of people that just aren't physically capable of doing what it takes to drive a two-hour rock show at this point.

But the point I was getting to is, Robert Fripp sits on a stool. Axl Rose had an entire throne built for him and made it the center piece of the stage when he was injured.  Had be been a pro football player, he was on the sidelines, no questions asked.  There ARE ways of compensating for physical infirmities.   Golf is the best example; pro golfers retire around the same time - maybe a LITTLE later - than most pro athletes, because the body has a finite period to perform in a limitless way.  But you CAN be a successful golfer well past that, with accommodation. Vincent Furnier - you know him as Alice Cooper - is a scratch golfer to this day at age 75. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 19, 2023, 09:39:07 AM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

Musicians deal with physical injuries and limitations that are a lot less apparent though. As I was recent to learn, before Neil Peart died, Alex's arthritis was one of the major reasons that Rush weren't touring more.

Some guys are just incredibly gifted in the genetic sense but there are more physical complications that come up with performing and I don't really see them get credit a whole lot.

And I do get that (and am aware my post doesn't really reflect that understanding).  I've already excluded drummer's from the list, but Peter Criss and Bill Ward are two examples of people that just aren't physically capable of doing what it takes to drive a two-hour rock show at this point.

But the point I was getting to is, Robert Fripp sits on a stool. Axl Rose had an entire throne built for him and made it the center piece of the stage when he was injured. 

Just to nitpick, the throne was built for Dave Grohl who experienced a similar injury. When Axl broke his ankle or whatever, Grohl leant it to him which was kind of cool considering their history. The main feud was with Kurt but I remember Dave grabbing the mic of whatever MTV thing back in the day and going, "Hi Axl!" over and over again. This was after some words were shared between Kurt and Axl.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 19, 2023, 10:54:55 AM
ah gotcha, didn't know you were speaking metaphorically. what a weird way to communicate a metaphor. might just be a generational difference between us, no problem!  :tup

It's weird, because it's not a metaphor, it's hyperbole. Exaggeration.  And it wasn't really the main point of the comment.  The point was, certain things are athletic enough where you're either in or you're out.  I played softball at a very high level (I've been on a team that won a national tournament) and it came to a point where I risked getting hurt (I played third base) if I didn't get the glove up in time.  No one in DT is going to get a black eye or lose a tooth if they don't get their arpeggio up in time. ;)

Musicians deal with physical injuries and limitations that are a lot less apparent though. As I was recent to learn, before Neil Peart died, Alex's arthritis was one of the major reasons that Rush weren't touring more.

Some guys are just incredibly gifted in the genetic sense but there are more physical complications that come up with performing and I don't really see them get credit a whole lot.

And I do get that (and am aware my post doesn't really reflect that understanding).  I've already excluded drummer's from the list, but Peter Criss and Bill Ward are two examples of people that just aren't physically capable of doing what it takes to drive a two-hour rock show at this point.

But the point I was getting to is, Robert Fripp sits on a stool. Axl Rose had an entire throne built for him and made it the center piece of the stage when he was injured. 

Just to nitpick, the throne was built for Dave Grohl who experienced a similar injury. When Axl broke his ankle or whatever, Grohl leant it to him which was kind of cool considering their history. The main feud was with Kurt but I remember Dave grabbing the mic of whatever MTV thing back in the day and going, "Hi Axl!" over and over again. This was after some words were shared between Kurt and Axl.
Learn something new!  I knew Grohl had a throne too, I didn't realize it was the same one!  Cool (though I'm not the hugest Grohl fan, honestly).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Madman Shepherd on September 19, 2023, 01:51:44 PM
Music? Personality? He gets a little annoying to be sure but I'm a big King Diamond fan and Dave had him on a little metal project he did which forced me to open my otherwise closed mind (at the time) and I actually started to dig the Foo Fighters.

Saw them once. It was a good time. Don't really feel the need to see them again.

Funny story: I was wearing a foo fighters shirt in Kona Hawaii. I was at a small national park and the park ranger says, "Nice shirt! I met Dave yesterday at Costco" and points across the street. We talked, he pulled out his phone and showed me the selfie. Dave was eating a hot dog by himself and noticed them staring so he approached them and was like, "hey guys. I'm Dave." Seems like a pretty cool dude.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on September 19, 2023, 02:11:01 PM
JP credits his condition to just pure luck, per some interviews I read. He says other guys who use good technique and take care of themselves just as well as he does get those injuries and conditions from playing guitar and he just doesn't. Kind of scary to think that all kinds of world class careers just hang in the balance between genes and the way someone learned to move their fingers on the instrument when they were 5 or 8 or 10. And in a way that none could be the wiser until he actually gets that injury or that condition and a doctor looks at him and says "well in hindsight it was that repetitive movement that got your ass." Not that people would take away JP's world class career if he could suddenly play 10% less of his own stuff :lol but he would cease to be that guy he is now and become someone else.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 20, 2023, 08:40:02 AM
JP credits his condition to just pure luck, per some interviews I read. He says other guys who use good technique and take care of themselves just as well as he does get those injuries and conditions from playing guitar and he just doesn't. Kind of scary to think that all kinds of world class careers just hang in the balance between genes and the way someone learned to move their fingers on the instrument when they were 5 or 8 or 10. And in a way that none could be the wiser until he actually gets that injury or that condition and a doctor looks at him and says "well in hindsight it was that repetitive movement that got your ass." Not that people would take away JP's world class career if he could suddenly play 10% less of his own stuff :lol but he would cease to be that guy he is now and become someone else.

I think your post is going to be another thread, haha!  I was thinking about this the other day in an un-related context and it struck me that no doctor worth his salt would just say "eh, you're this because of dumb luck!"    We - humans - LOVE to see patterns and love to be able to attribute cause and effect, even when it doesn't actually exist.   I would even argue, our survival as a species depends on it.

The reality is, too many factors are involved, and too many variables for us to reliably track. Does his weight lifting help or hurt?   Might help, but one side effect of big bulk is limited flexibility, a negative when you're playing an instrument, so who knows?   Does his eating meat help or hurt?  Whatever drinking he does (I've never heard any rumblings of a problem but he has a liquor brand so I'm guessing not a tee-totaler), does that help or hurt? 

Steve Morse - hero and friend to John - is a great example; the man plays obsessively, and he's spoken candidly of his need to adjust his style to account for physical limitations (he has written about pain in his right wrist, and now wears a significant brace on his arm when he plays, and sometimes looks to be in pain while playing; I noted this during a Dregs show where I was in the front row, as well as during the Flying Colors show I saw in NYC.).

I think luck plays a big part, but that narrative doesn't really cut the mustard in a society that is predicated on "anyone can do it with enough hard work!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 20, 2023, 08:45:01 AM
I would relate it to athletes.  So many people are very athletic, but only a select few are blessed with the genes to be the best.  (of course you still need to practice and work on the talent, but you have to have "it" to be at the top)  Sort of like how JR has perfect pitch.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 23, 2023, 03:40:15 PM
So Mike is playing with a drumline at the Seattle Seahawks (American football) game tomorrow.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0JexgqM5aZXnYqdcab8bXcA51jX7XAGpPrR9b2chmg2t6rkdLTo7M1DfAkAMKNyVvl&id=100044540401846
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2023, 10:52:52 PM
Disgusting. I have officially lost all respect for him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 24, 2023, 12:14:46 AM
Disgusting. I have officially lost all respect for him.

Right? Seattle of all places...

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 24, 2023, 01:19:07 PM
Disgusting. I have officially lost all respect for him.

Right? Seattle of all places...

-Marc.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 24, 2023, 01:30:57 PM
Sigh… Could I love him more??  :heart

(https://i.imgur.com/m18hFGt.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on September 24, 2023, 01:38:59 PM
Sigh… Could I love him more??  :heart

(https://i.imgur.com/m18hFGt.jpeg)

I wonder if he was invited by the team or the drum line or what.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 24, 2023, 01:41:22 PM
MP invites himself and people listen.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 24, 2023, 02:56:40 PM
Sigh… Could I love him more??  :heart

(https://i.imgur.com/m18hFGt.jpeg)

Love his drumming but it ends right there. I have my reasons.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 24, 2023, 03:09:14 PM
He flew Seahawk colors when Transatlantic played here the same night we won the Super Bowl.

The universe has linked Mike Portnoy to the Seahawks.  :rollin :rollin :rollin :heart :heart :heart
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 24, 2023, 09:21:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/krJiYch.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on September 24, 2023, 09:38:03 PM
He posted some videos on his instagram story, pretty dope.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 24, 2023, 11:17:25 PM
Yeah, he's dead to me.  I'll never buy another MP-related project again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 25, 2023, 08:24:55 AM
Yeah, he's dead to me.  I'll never buy another MP-related project again.

Hope you didn't buy An Evening Of I&D from Metropolaris yet.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 25, 2023, 09:05:48 AM
I wonder if he was invited by the team or the drum line or what.

I wonder that as well, what's his connection to the Seahawks?  Pretty cool regardless, love to see him at a Giants game.

Speaking of seeing him, I wonder if he'll be at the Code Orange album release show in NYC this week to support his son.  I plan on attending.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on September 25, 2023, 09:15:35 AM
Yeah, he's dead to me.  I'll never buy another MP-related project again.

Hope you didn't buy An Evening Of I&D from Metropolaris yet.

-Marc.

Well, that money is going to him, not Mike. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 09:52:50 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 25, 2023, 09:56:34 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 09:58:43 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.

saw on social media he was spotted in downtown seattle yesterday!! rumor mill was buzzing that maybe he was looking for a home
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on September 25, 2023, 09:59:51 AM
Could he have been passing time going downtown while waiting for the game to begin?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 25, 2023, 09:59:58 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.

saw on social media he was spotted in downtown seattle yesterday!! rumor mill was buzzing that maybe he was looking for a home

But if he was doing a gig there.....wouldn't he be there?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 25, 2023, 10:19:23 AM
I wonder if he was invited by the team or the drum line or what.

I wonder that as well, what's his connection to the Seahawks?  Pretty cool regardless, love to see him at a Giants game.

Speaking of seeing him, I wonder if he'll be at the Code Orange album release show in NYC this week to support his son.  I plan on attending.

It sounded like the band leader invited him. A YouTube search last night showed that Charlie Benante played with them last year (or early this year I should say).

I’m kind of shocked that we don’t have any YouTube videos of MP playing yesterday.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 25, 2023, 10:22:48 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.

saw on social media he was spotted in downtown seattle yesterday!! rumor mill was buzzing that maybe he was looking for a home

I mean, he was in town to perform with the drum line. Don’t see how that would start any rumors.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Schurftkut on September 25, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
I wonder if he was invited by the team or the drum line or what.



I’m kind of shocked that we don’t have any YouTube videos of MP playing yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uT3lXAOWp50
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on September 25, 2023, 10:27:15 AM
Yeah, he's dead to me.  I'll never buy another MP-related project again.

Hope you didn't buy An Evening Of I&D from Metropolaris yet.

-Marc.

Well, that money is going to him, not Mike.


Exactly. The money is going to me so that I can buy a Seahawks jersey
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 10:43:07 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.

saw on social media he was spotted in downtown seattle yesterday!! rumor mill was buzzing that maybe he was looking for a home

I mean, he was in town to perform with the drum line. Don’t see how that would start any rumors.

well he may have just gone from the airport directly to the football stadium. the fact that he was spotted in residential neighborhoods is pretty sus to me. i for one would welcome him to the left half of the country!!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 25, 2023, 10:43:26 AM

I’m kind of shocked that we don’t have any YouTube videos of MP playing yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uT3lXAOWp50

Nice. YouTube search is so iffy these days.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 25, 2023, 10:45:10 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.

saw on social media he was spotted in downtown seattle yesterday!! rumor mill was buzzing that maybe he was looking for a home

I mean, he was in town to perform with the drum line. Don’t see how that would start any rumors.

well he may have just gone from the airport directly to the football stadium. the fact that he was spotted in residential neighborhoods is pretty sus to me. i for one would welcome him to the left half of the country!!!

Is downtown Seattle a residential neighborhood?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
did MP move to the Pacific Northwest? this and the other rumors are interesting

What "other rumors"?

-Marc.

saw on social media he was spotted in downtown seattle yesterday!! rumor mill was buzzing that maybe he was looking for a home

I mean, he was in town to perform with the drum line. Don’t see how that would start any rumors.

well he may have just gone from the airport directly to the football stadium. the fact that he was spotted in residential neighborhoods is pretty sus to me. i for one would welcome him to the left half of the country!!!

Is downtown Seattle a residential neighborhood?

have you never been in a major city? downtown regions of cities include both business districts as well as residential neighborhoods. it's not like MP was spotted at the space needle, he was spottted in queen anne, a residential neighborhood in downtown seattle :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2023, 10:57:45 AM
I mean, you’re not technically wrong, but…

It’s just that the downtown residential districts are often where some of the most talked about shops and restaurants are as well. So he may have just been taking in the sights.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 25, 2023, 11:08:20 AM
Really disappointed with Mike Portnoy. When drummers I like are in town to perform a show I prefer they stay at the venue at all times and never leave the premises. I don't think I'll be able to view MP is the same light again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 11:12:15 AM
I mean, you’re not technically wrong, but…

It’s just that the downtown residential districts are often where some of the most talked about shops and restaurants are as well. So he may have just been taking in the sights.

true, they are, after all, just rumors! i really hope he moved out west tho, he'd fit in with the culture. east coasters can be a bit too stuffy and uptight for people like MP and I
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 25, 2023, 11:29:47 AM
Yeah, I mean I’m not disputing there are residential portions of downtown Seattle, but I would not assume being in downtown anywhere equals house hunting, LOL.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 11:34:32 AM
yeah i mean it's just rumors. nobody is drawing up a contract AFAIK. just relaying what i saw elsewhere
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on September 25, 2023, 11:51:26 AM
yeah i mean it's just rumors. nobody is drawing up a contract AFAIK. just relaying what i saw elsewhere

His social media showed him visit some famous house that a movie was filmed in as well. So, maybe that was it?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on September 25, 2023, 12:05:31 PM
That was almost undoubtably why.

Mike has a super nice house now with tons of space and a beautiful pool. I lived in Seattle for over a decade, and for him to get anything even remotely close to what he has now would cost an absolute fortune. Anything comparable within the Seattle city limits is going to see you pay 4+ mil and still have no pool, no backyard, and your exterior wall is going to be an arm's length from the house next door.

I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that he was just visiting that famous house while he was there, and not that he's moving to Queen Anne.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 25, 2023, 12:07:16 PM
MP's not moving to Seattle.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 25, 2023, 12:28:48 PM
Oh DTF...You guys are hilarious at times.  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 25, 2023, 12:59:06 PM
I wonder if he was invited by the team or the drum line or what.



I’m kind of shocked that we don’t have any YouTube videos of MP playing yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uT3lXAOWp50

Did I just hear the intro to Two Far?....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on September 25, 2023, 01:07:53 PM
From MP's facebook page just now. 

Quote
TWIN PEAKS NERD ALERT!! ⚠️🌲
As if playing drums at the Seattle Seahawks game this weekend wasn’t already cool enough…Saturday I had the insanely surreal experience of visiting Laura Palmer’s house! Yes, the owner of the real house (who also appeared in the very last scene of the very last episode of TP: The Return as the new homeowner Alice Tremond) knew I was a Twin Peaks fan and personally invited me to come visit the house. What an amazing experience!! Heard so many stories and saw so many artifacts from the show and shooting there…
Being in that staircase with the ceiling fan above me was already creepy enough, but I almost shit my pants when I went into Laura’s room only to see BOB hiding in the closet!!! 😱 (see my pix/videos to see…) Also while I was there, Kimmy Robertson (Lucy) called up and I got to speak with her for a little while…
The whole experience was absolutely incredible! Huge thanks to Mary Reber for the invite and hospitality…you seriously made this Twin Peaks über-fan totally nerd-out with excitement!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on September 25, 2023, 01:13:42 PM
Ok I guess MP definitely is buying the twin peaks house now and moving to Seattle.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 25, 2023, 01:17:14 PM
Ok I guess MP definitely is buying the twin peaks house now and moving to Seattle.

Confirmed
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 25, 2023, 01:17:20 PM
Ok I guess MP definitely is buying the twin peaks house now and moving to Seattle.

1000% Confirmed. Someone let Blabbermouth know ASAP!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 01:28:47 PM
Ok I guess MP definitely is buying the twin peaks house now and moving to Seattle.

1000% Confirmed. Someone let Blabbermouth know ASAP!

-Marc.

they were my rumors first, i want credit for the story
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 25, 2023, 02:23:18 PM
WOAH! Pump the brakes!  He just said he visited it and got to take a tour. I don’t see anything that says he’s BUYING it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 25, 2023, 02:23:45 PM
See that's why DTF is hilarious for me. People speculate some funny ass conspiracies and then the truth gets revealed.

That's why I stayed and am participating again. Albeit with a more non-serious mindset.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 25, 2023, 02:27:51 PM
WOAH! Pump the brakes!  He just said he visited it and got to take a tour. I don’t see anything that says he’s BUYING it.

you know he would buy it if he could afford it!! :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 25, 2023, 06:06:19 PM
That's crazy, I've lived my whole life here, and loved Twin Peaks in its original run. I've been to Snoqualmie Lodge (Great Northern Hotel) multiple times, driven by the Double R Diner, and had no idea Laura Palmer's house is... checking... 12.1 miles from where I live.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
That's crazy, I've lived my whole life here, and loved Twin Peaks in its original run. I've been to Snoqualmie Lodge (Great Northern Hotel) multiple times, driven by the Double R Diner, and had no idea Laura Palmer's house is... checking... 12.1 miles from where I live.

So did MP make an offer on your house?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 08:39:01 AM
i bet after the house closes and he moves in he gets possessed by BOB and tries to rejoin Dream Theater via force
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 26, 2023, 09:33:04 AM
i bet after the house closes and he moves in he gets possessed by BOB and tries to rejoin Dream Theater via force

Perhaps. Maybe Philip Gerard took possession of Rick Allen?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 09:49:12 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aiOf6f9.jpg)


TFW you just closed on your new home in Seattle
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 26, 2023, 09:58:52 AM
They credited him as being with DT?  Nice.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 26, 2023, 10:00:11 AM
They credited him as being with DT?  Nice.

He’s not with DT.



He IS DT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 10:04:22 AM
Dream Theater is just the name of the movie theater he is installing in Sarah Palmer's room
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 26, 2023, 10:37:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aiOf6f9.jpg)


TFW you just closed on your new home in Seattle

This only means one thing, MM is out and MP is coming back  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on September 26, 2023, 10:57:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aiOf6f9.jpg)


TFW you just closed on your new home in Seattle

This only means one thing, MM is out and MP is coming back  :rollin

1000% Confirmed. Someone let Blabbermouth know ASAP!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 11:50:00 AM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 26, 2023, 12:08:02 PM
It's crossed my mind before but honestly MP has been a part of too many bands that I have zero interest in listening to ever again.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
It's crossed my mind before but honestly MP has been a part of too many bands that I have zero interest in listening to ever again.

yeah..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on September 26, 2023, 12:21:32 PM
For example: BPMD - American Made. That atrocious cover album he did a few years ago. I was reminded of it's existence earlier, and I had forgotten how atrocious it was. Not the worst thing to happen in 2020, but it's up there. You couldn't pay me to listen to that again. Atrocious.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 26, 2023, 12:25:58 PM
For example: BPMD - American Made. That atrocious cover album he did a few years ago. I was reminded of it's existence earlier, and I had forgotten how atrocious it was. Not the worst thing to happen in 2020, but it's up there. You couldn't pay me to listen to that again. Atrocious.

Had to look that one up, and yeah I remember it now but that was a totally forgettable project.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Great Ape on September 26, 2023, 12:29:06 PM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

I've done this and honestly it blew my mind. Highly recommend it to anyone, members of the MP discord or not.

I will say, there was a lot to cover so I did have to speed things up a bit. A few of the albums I cranked the speed to 2x or even 4x just to get through them (sup, Neal Morse). But there were some where I actually took the speed down to like .25x and my dude, if you have never listened to The Winery Dogs at quarter speed, it freaking rocks. Like listening to a sludge album. I also found that I liked listening to Adrenaline Mob maaaaybe .05x faster that the speed the recordings were made at. Those albums didn't do much for me but I found they were a lot more exciting when I put a little sizzle on them.

BTW, another thing I found... slowing down the slower tracks often also gave them a real soulful vibe that hit me right in the feels. Stuff like "The Best of Times" as a ballad, for example. Check it out at .5 speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBrCBfAxBM8
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 26, 2023, 01:06:12 PM
What is an MP discord?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 01:10:21 PM
a discord for MP, presumably. i'm not familiar with it but i know about the DT discord
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jammindude on September 26, 2023, 01:14:38 PM
a discord for MP, presumably. i'm not familiar with it but i know about the DT discord

This is Tim. You’re going to have to explain “discord”.  :rollin ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 26, 2023, 01:17:10 PM
a discord for MP, presumably. i'm not familiar with it but i know about the DT discord

This is Tim. You’re going to have to explain “discord”.  :rollin ;D

I'm fairly sure this has been explained to Tim before too  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 26, 2023, 01:17:43 PM
oooh sorry. i didn't realize that wasn't obvious lol

discord is an social media app. there are "discords" for various things (dream theater, zelda, porcupine tree, whatever) and you join them and they're basically the Millennial version of message boards (which are a relic of past ages and barely used anymore except by old gen xers and boomers). i am partial to message board style and don't really like the fast pace of discords so that's why i'm mostly here
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on September 26, 2023, 03:04:35 PM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

I've done this and honestly it blew my mind. Highly recommend it to anyone, members of the MP discord or not.

I will say, there was a lot to cover so I did have to speed things up a bit. A few of the albums I cranked the speed to 2x or even 4x just to get through them (sup, Neal Morse). But there were some where I actually took the speed down to like .25x and my dude, if you have never listened to The Winery Dogs at quarter speed, it freaking rocks. Like listening to a sludge album. I also found that I liked listening to Adrenaline Mob maaaaybe .05x faster that the speed the recordings were made at. Those albums didn't do much for me but I found they were a lot more exciting when I put a little sizzle on them.

BTW, another thing I found... slowing down the slower tracks often also gave them a real soulful vibe that hit me right in the feels. Stuff like "The Best of Times" as a ballad, for example. Check it out at .5 speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBrCBfAxBM8

There's an MP discord? I'm in the DT server but didn't realize there was an MP one.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cool Chris on September 26, 2023, 11:04:10 PM
For example: BPMD - American Made. That atrocious cover album he did a few years ago. I was reminded of it's existence earlier, and I had forgotten how atrocious it was. Not the worst thing to happen in 2020, but it's up there. You couldn't pay me to listen to that again. Atrocious.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2023, 06:25:45 AM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

It’s a cool idea. According to Wiki, MP has been involved in over 50 albums. That’s just way too much and I probably won’t like a good amount of it. Some of it might even drive me psychosane. So I’ll pass. But let us know how it goes!

And listening to some things on double speed or whatever seems to miss the point.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on September 27, 2023, 06:28:47 AM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

It’s a cool idea. According to Wiki, MP has been involved in over 50 albums. That’s just way too much and I probably won’t like a good amount of it. Some of it might even drive me psychosane. So I’ll pass. But let us know how it goes!

And listening to some things on double speed or whatever seems to miss the point.

 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on September 27, 2023, 06:55:13 AM
Years ago I remember seeing someone made a pdf of all of MP's involvement in every project he played in. It was an insane and very thorough list of every album, track he played on. It was muthafuckin psychoinsane.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on September 27, 2023, 07:01:37 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2023, 07:02:16 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.

I'd like to see it to, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to listen to it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on September 27, 2023, 07:07:40 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.

I'd like to see it to, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to listen to it.

I wanna see this list too, but I definitely don’t want to listen to it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on September 27, 2023, 07:15:35 AM
Quite a lot on that list would be Neal Morse related, I'd wager.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2023, 07:25:03 AM
Really disappointed with Mike Portnoy. When drummers I like are in town to perform a show I prefer they stay at the venue at all times and never leave the premises. I don't think I'll be able to view MP is the same light again.

HAHA.  :)  :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2023, 07:27:55 AM
That's crazy, I've lived my whole life here, and loved Twin Peaks in its original run. I've been to Snoqualmie Lodge (Great Northern Hotel) multiple times, driven by the Double R Diner, and had no idea Laura Palmer's house is... checking... 12.1 miles from where I live.

So did MP make an offer on your house?

That's so cool that Mike is buying Cool Chris' house.  I'm pumped, man!  Though I'm never buying anything he ever does again, ever.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 27, 2023, 07:30:47 AM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

It’s a cool idea. According to Wiki, MP has been involved in over 50 albums. That’s just way too much and I probably won’t like a good amount of it. Some of it might even drive me psychosane. So I’ll pass. But let us know how it goes!

And listening to some things on double speed or whatever seems to miss the point.

I'm just doing quick math, but that seems low, doesn't it? Unless they're not counting live things.  Maybe then.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on September 27, 2023, 07:38:20 AM
I'm pretty sure I have at least 50 live albums with MP playing on them. I have to one day sit down and put them all in a pile and take a pic.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on September 27, 2023, 07:42:00 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.

I'd like to see it to, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to listen to it.

I wanna see this list too, but I definitely don’t want to listen to it.

I mean, Wikipedia has a list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Portnoy_discography#Albums_discography
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2023, 07:56:33 AM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

It’s a cool idea. According to Wiki, MP has been involved in over 50 albums. That’s just way too much and I probably won’t like a good amount of it. Some of it might even drive me psychosane. So I’ll pass. But let us know how it goes!

And listening to some things on double speed or whatever seems to miss the point.

I'm just doing quick math, but that seems low, doesn't it? Unless they're not counting live things.  Maybe then.

My bad, I should have specificied studio albums. Yea, wasn't counting any live stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on September 27, 2023, 08:05:25 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.

I'd like to see it to, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to listen to it.

I wanna see this list too, but I definitely don’t want to listen to it.

I mean, Wikipedia has a list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Portnoy_discography#Albums_discography

Is that real early stuff even available?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on September 27, 2023, 08:07:32 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.

I'd like to see it to, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to listen to it.

I wanna see this list too, but I definitely don’t want to listen to it.

I mean, Wikipedia has a list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Portnoy_discography#Albums_discography

Is that real early stuff even available?
Some is, at least  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7zxHMqMh_k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep8aK093KO4
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 27, 2023, 09:16:06 AM
has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks.
No.

oooh sorry. i didn't realize that wasn't obvious lol
A common reaction.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on September 27, 2023, 09:52:12 AM
I'd like to see that list, I don't wanna listen to it, but I would like to see it.

I'd like to see it to, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to listen to it.

I wanna see this list too, but I definitely don’t want to listen to it.

I mean, Wikipedia has a list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Portnoy_discography#Albums_discography

This says that "Inner Sanctum" and "S.A. Adams" were from 1986.  Does that make sense?  MP, JM and JP started at Berklee in the fall of 1985.  I don't remember exactly when they dropped out, but it would have been in late 1985 or the first half of 1986.  I thought they worked together from then on.  Did MP work with other bands after they left Berklee and before they started working as Majesty?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 27, 2023, 01:49:36 PM
I know MP wrote and demo'd  a bunch of songs with John Sykes but it never went further. I could only assume that it would've been pretty amazing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on September 27, 2023, 02:32:06 PM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 27, 2023, 02:35:19 PM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?

Not sure but John Sykes would have been great.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2023, 02:38:42 PM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?

I think is was.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 27, 2023, 02:41:08 PM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?
Not really. Evolving implies that there was merely a lineup change, but this was much more than that. Basically the band that MP and Billy Sheehan would've done with Sykes was put in the can because Sykes kept dragging his feet. At the same time Eddie Trunk suggested that Richie Kotzen would be a great guy to work with, so MP and Billy started a new band with him. So they're connected, but evolving is not the correct word. IIRC, even MP himself has stated as much.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 27, 2023, 02:44:30 PM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?
Not really. Evolving implies that there was merely a lineup change, but this was much more than that. Basically the band that MP and Billy Sheehan would've done with Sykes was put in the can because Sykes kept dragging his feet. At the same time Eddie Trunk suggested that Richie Kotzen would be a great guy to work with, so MP and Billy started a new band with him. So they're connected, but evolving is not the correct word. IIRC, even MP himself has stated as much.

Sykes is more my thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on September 27, 2023, 05:31:23 PM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?
Not really. Evolving implies that there was merely a lineup change, but this was much more than that. Basically the band that MP and Billy Sheehan would've done with Sykes was put in the can because Sykes kept dragging his feet. At the same time Eddie Trunk suggested that Richie Kotzen would be a great guy to work with, so MP and Billy started a new band with him. So they're connected, but evolving is not the correct word. IIRC, even MP himself has stated as much.

Semantics!!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mosh on September 27, 2023, 10:42:50 PM
Well that's pretty much what I was unsure about. I knew that the band consisted of Sheehan/MP/Sykes and then Eddie Trunk suggested Kotzen. I just wasn't sure if there was material that the two of them had worked on with Sykes that got carried over or if they started fresh. Thanks for the clarity!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on September 28, 2023, 06:31:22 AM
I know MP wrote and demo'd  a bunch of songs with John Sykes but it never went further. I could only assume that it would've been pretty amazing.

Did they actually put music to tape? 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 28, 2023, 07:04:52 AM
I know MP wrote and demo'd  a bunch of songs with John Sykes but it never went further. I could only assume that it would've been pretty amazing.
Did they actually put music to tape?
I believe they did some demos together - whether those were full re-recordings or just MP (and maybe Billy) recording to Sykes' already existing demos is unknown.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 28, 2023, 12:59:30 PM
I know MP wrote and demo'd  a bunch of songs with John Sykes but it never went further. I could only assume that it would've been pretty amazing.

Did they actually put music to tape?

Yes, I know they did a bunch of demos that I heard were incredible.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 28, 2023, 01:11:42 PM
they're going to reunite to do remastered/re-recorded takes of the songs once MP gets into his new house in Queen Anne and sets up his recording studio :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on September 28, 2023, 07:55:30 PM
they're going to reunite to do remastered/re-recorded takes of the songs once MP gets into his new house in Queen Anne and sets up his recording studio :metal

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2023, 09:56:45 AM
I wonder if he was invited by the team or the drum line or what.

I wonder that as well, what's his connection to the Seahawks?  Pretty cool regardless, love to see him at a Giants game.

Speaking of seeing him, I wonder if he'll be at the Code Orange album release show in NYC this week to support his son.  I plan on attending.

Yup, MP was at the show last night.  The entire Portnoy family.  I watched as security gave them a bit of a hassle coming into the venue  :lol Max was with them too before he hit the stage. Really cool to see the family out supporting Max. From my seat I could even see MP taking video on his phone.  I did say a brief hi, but I didn't want to impede on his family.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 29, 2023, 10:02:36 AM
I could look this up, but is Code Orange a new band Max is in, or did his last one change their name?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on September 29, 2023, 10:10:21 AM
It’s a new band he’s in. I think he left his old band, whose name escapes me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 29, 2023, 10:11:42 AM
It’s a new band he’s in. I think he left his old band, whose name escapes me.

Tala I believe. Wasn't my cup of tea for sure!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2023, 10:16:31 AM
It’s a new band he’s in. I think he left his old band, whose name escapes me.

He's in both, Tallah is the other.  Both are kind of similar, fairly extreme hardcore/metal.  Code Orange's singer was the original drummer and he stopped to focus more on being the lead singer so Max stepped in to be their drummer a couple years ago. They did one song last night where the singer played drums and it looked like Max was playing keyboard. (they have a keyboardist/techno guy on stage)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on September 29, 2023, 10:18:19 AM
Oh I was thinking of Next to None. Never heard of Tallah
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2023, 10:25:13 AM
I thought Next to None was no more, but I could be wrong.  I forgot about them actually.

Here's a Code Orange song from last night if anyone's interested: Code Orange - Drowning In It LIVE @ Gramercy Theater New York City NY 9/28/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTqsgiH7FJE)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on September 29, 2023, 10:29:56 AM
I thought Next to None was no more, but I could be wrong.  I forgot about them actually.

Here's a Code Orange song from last night if anyone's interested: Code Orange - Drowning In It LIVE @ Gramercy Theater New York City NY 9/28/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTqsgiH7FJE)

Looks like a painful show!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on September 29, 2023, 10:35:59 AM
The mosh pits were insane. People doing cartwheels and jump kicks. It was actually incredible to watch from the seats in the back. I'm way too old to get in that  :lol I've got better videos of the mosh pits too.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on September 29, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
I thought Next to None was no more, but I could be wrong.  I forgot about them actually.
N2N fizzled out so Max formed Tallah as a result. Code Orange came about years after Tallah was formed and N2N folded.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on September 29, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
I'm glad to see Max having some success. Next to None always felt a little bit too much like "my Dad did it for me". Not that they shouldn't have been proud of what they made, but it seems like the kind of thing that would not have gotten made without Max's dad being who he is.

With Tallah and Code Orange, it seems like Max has found his own way, even if that thing isn't for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on September 29, 2023, 01:20:05 PM
hopefully Code Orange finds a good crowd in the PNW
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 30, 2023, 11:52:44 AM

has anyone ever embarked on a pilgrim's path journey with mike portnoy's music? i've been thinking about this lately, and it sounds like quite the adventure. the idea is to listen to every single record he's been a part of, in chronological order, without taking any breaks. it's a musical pilgrimage of sorts, isn't it? starting with those early dream theater albums, like "when dream and day unite" and "images and words," and then moving through all the other projects and bands he's been involved with over the years. it would be a journey through different styles and genres, from progressive metal to rock to experimental stuff. i imagine it would take quite a bit of time to complete, but the idea of immersing yourself in mike portnoy's musical evolution is intriguing. you'd get to witness his drumming skills evolve, his songwriting develop, and the way he collaborates with different musicians change over time.

i heard a rumor that if you manage to complete the mike portnoy pilgrim path challenge, you can earn a nice piece of flair in the dream theater discord. it's like a badge of honor for dedicated fans. i wonder what that flair would look like.

anyway, just wanted to share this idea and see if anyone else has ever thought about doing something similar. it could be a truly epic musical journey.

It’s a cool idea. According to Wiki, MP has been involved in over 50 albums. That’s just way too much and I probably won’t like a good amount of it. Some of it might even drive me psychosane. So I’ll pass. But let us know how it goes!

And listening to some things on double speed or whatever seems to miss the point.

Try listening while watching Twin Peaks muted.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on September 30, 2023, 11:54:55 AM
Didn't that evolve into Winery Dogs?
Not really. Evolving implies that there was merely a lineup change, but this was much more than that. Basically the band that MP and Billy Sheehan would've done with Sykes was put in the can because Sykes kept dragging his feet. At the same time Eddie Trunk suggested that Richie Kotzen would be a great guy to work with, so MP and Billy started a new band with him. So they're connected, but evolving is not the correct word. IIRC, even MP himself has stated as much.

Semantics!!
Tim knows Semantics.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 01, 2023, 07:15:24 AM
I'm glad to see Max having some success. Next to None always felt a little bit too much like "my Dad did it for me". Not that they shouldn't have been proud of what they made, but it seems like the kind of thing that would not have gotten made without Max's dad being who he is.

You mean a completely new band of teenagers doesn't usually get a two album deal with Inside Out plus guest appearances from Neal Morse and Bumblefoot on their debut album? :eek
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 01, 2023, 12:05:14 PM
no, i would not say that is standard
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: obro on October 03, 2023, 09:09:03 AM
Anybody else miss Mike his engagement with the fans, like the Christmas morning eastereggs or the twitter Q&A’s?
He used to be so invested in the fan base and it was a ton of fun to discover some of his insights or gain knowledge of what he’s up to.
Maybe I’m nostalgic, but I sure miss it
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Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2023, 09:15:36 AM
Anybody else miss Mike his engagement with the fans, like the Christmas morning eastereggs or the twitter Q&A’s?
He used to be so invested in the fan base and it was a ton of fun to discover some of his insights or gain knowledge of what he’s up to.
Maybe I’m nostalgic, but I sure miss it

I certainly miss him on twitter.  Sure, he's active on Instagram, but it's not the same.  Sadly, another one of my favorite twitter musicians also just quit the platform due to Elon's takeover.   Sucks to see this happening.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on October 03, 2023, 11:53:25 AM
Anybody else miss Mike his engagement with the fans, like the Christmas morning eastereggs or the twitter Q&A’s?
He used to be so invested in the fan base and it was a ton of fun to discover some of his insights or gain knowledge of what he’s up to.
Maybe I’m nostalgic, but I sure miss it

Mike was someone I considered a friend many moons ago. We actually spoke almost every day at one point and it was mutual. I understand people change and have their own lives BUT to do a total 180 is just sad. I know he had his demons and when his father passed it crushed him, they were VERY close. Life can be bittering but when you have legions of devoted fans courtesy shouldn't be that hard no matter what.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 03, 2023, 02:19:52 PM
From MP's Facebook page:
Quote
Here’s one you probably didn’t have on your 2023 MP Bingo Card…yes indeed, I will be playing drums for the incredible Umphreys Mcgee for one very special show on Dec 29th as part of their New Years Eve run at the Riviera Theater in Chicago! 🎉🎊🍾🎈
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 03, 2023, 02:20:56 PM
That's interesting, wonder how that ended up being a thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 03, 2023, 02:23:37 PM
rumor has it MP is looking for a condo on the river in chicago..
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Post by: gzarruk on October 03, 2023, 02:49:02 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: PMSummer on October 03, 2023, 02:51:43 PM
rumor has it MP is looking for a condo on the river in chicago..
Just been lurking in this thread but gotta say this comment had me in stitches  😂
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 03, 2023, 09:24:13 PM
MP is friends with Kris Myers. Kris had to have surgery and has been on the shelf for a bit. I believe MP got a thanks in the liner notes for Anchor Drops from Kris.

I just bought tickets to the show. I haven't seen UM in ages and this is a can't miss event for me.
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Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 03, 2023, 11:40:59 PM
that would be cool to see even if I have reservations about Umphrey's McGee live (too many long winded jam-band cliches at times).

I would be curious what covers they may do. I also don't recall what MP's take on many of the other UM albums is beyond Anchor Drops, namely Mantis. I'd be curious if they play something from that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 07:19:58 AM
UM plays Mantis (the song) regularly so you can probably bet on that if it's one MP is outspoken about
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on October 04, 2023, 08:02:55 AM
I don't like Umphrey's very much from what I've heard, but it's exciting to see MP do something totally out of left field with musicians that aren't part of his usual sphere. Hope this means more surprises in the future!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2023, 08:15:20 AM
MP is friends with Kris Myers. Kris had to have surgery and has been on the shelf for a bit. I believe MP got a thanks in the liner notes for Anchor Drops from Kris.

I just bought tickets to the show. I haven't seen UM in ages and this is a can't miss event for me.

Ah, that makes sense.  Very cool even if they are a bit too jam bandy for my tastes, they are certainly talented.  If the show were local to me I'd consider going.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 08:16:55 AM
honestly it's cool MP is doing this, he's probably one of a handful of drummers that could actually keep up with kris meyers technically speaking (seriously KM is a god damned beast). hopefully UM fans become MP/DT fans from this collab and vice versa! always nice to see the prog metal jam band bridge grow strong!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 04, 2023, 08:33:19 AM
Gotta assume we get a Wizard Burial Ground with MP. That would be fantastic. Knowing UM, they will probably throw something in there regarding MP. Maybe some LTE or Ytse Jam or something like that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 08:34:46 AM
Gotta assume we get a Wizard Burial Ground with MP. That would be fantastic. Knowing UM, they will probably throw something in there regarding MP. Maybe some LTE or Ytse Jam or something like that.

yeah, UM does so many covers, and so many impromptu-one-time-only covers there is almost certainly a chance they cover a MP-era DT song with him
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 04, 2023, 08:56:27 AM
I would LOVE to see this show.  UM is awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2023, 09:06:49 AM
rumor has it MP is looking for a condo on the river in chicago..

Whoa! That's so cool that Mike relocated to Chicago!!!  Good for him!

:) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2023, 09:42:08 AM
WhT is the Chicago reference?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 04, 2023, 09:42:43 AM
I mean, Charlie Benante relocated here years ago from New York. He was always coming here to see shows because he said the vibe and the crowds were more passionate than in NY so he just decided to move here. He's been in the suburbs and maybe MP will move into his neighborhood.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ZirconBlue on October 04, 2023, 09:47:45 AM
WhT is the Chicago reference?


Chicago is a band that had a lot of hit songs in the 70s and 80s.  Apparently, MP is going to join the band as their new trombone player.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 04, 2023, 09:52:23 AM
WhT is the Chicago reference?

See the discussion of Mike moving to Seattle a page or two back!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on October 04, 2023, 09:53:16 AM
I mean, Charlie Benante relocated here years ago from New York. He was always coming here to see shows because he said the vibe and the crowds were more passionate than in NY so he just decided to move here. He's been in the suburbs and maybe MP will move into his neighborhood.

I saw Charlie and his girlfriend (Carla Harvey) on a Metra train, pre-pandemic.  I was so confused - I figured he lived in an area like Naperville or St. Charles, but they were on a train headed north to Lake County.  WTF is the drummer from Anthrax doing on my train?

Turns out he lives in Long Grove.   :facepalm:   I snuck a few pictures and didn't bother them, despite completely geeking out.

(https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/57614977_10219487190475135_8854139638357426176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=F9CU6iZp3QoAX_GtV2L&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=00_AfBueDtr-trmjx-vp_GvGDmyMpG-ZK6xMtvmK5va7aESGg&oe=654514E4)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2023, 09:58:43 AM
Anybody else miss Mike his engagement with the fans, like the Christmas morning eastereggs or the twitter Q&A’s?
He used to be so invested in the fan base and it was a ton of fun to discover some of his insights or gain knowledge of what he’s up to.
Maybe I’m nostalgic, but I sure miss it

Mike was someone I considered a friend many moons ago. We actually spoke almost every day at one point and it was mutual. I understand people change and have their own lives BUT to do a total 180 is just sad. I know he had his demons and when his father passed it crushed him, they were VERY close. Life can be bittering but when you have legions of devoted fans courtesy shouldn't be that hard no matter what.

So... I really hesitate to write this, because I don't want to sound like I'm ungrateful or that I'm bashing him, because I'm not.  All things are relative, because he's still reasonably open and welcoming, but I've met him twice now in the last, say, five years, and compared to hearing the stories and seeing some of the old videos... something seems different.  I don't know if he's more guarded following the split - there was some online activity just following the split that I to this day maintain may have crossed the line to criminal - but he just doesn't seem to be as present.  I'm sure some of it is age - we're the same age by a few months - and some of it is just that it's not new anymore; how many times can you look enthused to hear "Hey bro! When are the Winery Dogs coming back?!?", and some of it has to do with the fact that we're dealing with adult things now (his relationship to his ex-band members, etcetera).  Or maybe, in fact, it's me, and I'm not being objective enough.  Who knows? But it's something that crossed my mind... 
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Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 09:59:28 AM
I would LOVE to see this show.  UM is awesome.

love me some UM :metal

i've seen them about 15 times live. mostly at Red Rocks since they do a lot of 2-4 night runs here in CO.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on October 04, 2023, 12:05:52 PM
Anybody else miss Mike his engagement with the fans, like the Christmas morning eastereggs or the twitter Q&A’s?
He used to be so invested in the fan base and it was a ton of fun to discover some of his insights or gain knowledge of what he’s up to.
Maybe I’m nostalgic, but I sure miss it

Mike was someone I considered a friend many moons ago. We actually spoke almost every day at one point and it was mutual. I understand people change and have their own lives BUT to do a total 180 is just sad. I know he had his demons and when his father passed it crushed him, they were VERY close. Life can be bittering but when you have legions of devoted fans courtesy shouldn't be that hard no matter what.

So... I really hesitate to write this, because I don't want to sound like I'm ungrateful or that I'm bashing him, because I'm not.  All things are relative, because he's still reasonably open and welcoming, but I've met him twice now in the last, say, five years, and compared to hearing the stories and seeing some of the old videos... something seems different.  I don't know if he's more guarded following the split - there was some online activity just following the split that I to this day maintain may have crossed the line to criminal - but he just doesn't seem to be as present.  I'm sure some of it is age - we're the same age by a few months - and some of it is just that it's not new anymore; how many times can you look enthused to hear "Hey bro! When are the Winery Dogs coming back?!?", and some of it has to do with the fact that we're dealing with adult things now (his relationship to his ex-band members, etcetera).  Or maybe, in fact, it's me, and I'm not being objective enough.  Who knows? But it's something that crossed my mind...

All very valid points. Guarded and adult things are just life progressing. I guess I am bummed because a hello how are you every once in a while wouldn't take much but I get it, who the hell am I to him now? Its similar to Childhood friends that just moved on, nothing personal. My beef is not in the NOW but he turned on me personally before Awake was even released and it just seemed flakey. I would run into his wife Marlene at the shows and once in a local mall and she was still very kind and genuinely interested in reminiscing about the many times we all hung out. I was basically at every Meanstreak show in NY and was friends with all of them, they were awesome and so friendly.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2023, 12:11:05 PM
I mean, Charlie Benante relocated here years ago from New York. He was always coming here to see shows because he said the vibe and the crowds were more passionate than in NY so he just decided to move here. He's been in the suburbs and maybe MP will move into his neighborhood.

I saw Charlie and his girlfriend (Carla Harvey) on a Metra train, pre-pandemic.

And no pictures of Carla?!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Grappler on October 04, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
I mean, Charlie Benante relocated here years ago from New York. He was always coming here to see shows because he said the vibe and the crowds were more passionate than in NY so he just decided to move here. He's been in the suburbs and maybe MP will move into his neighborhood.

I saw Charlie and his girlfriend (Carla Harvey) on a Metra train, pre-pandemic.

And no pictures of Carla?!

Haha.  At the time, I didn't know who she was, since I don't listen to Butcher Babies and had no idea that they were dating.  I only uploaded my pic of Charlie to Facebook.

This was them on the train. 

(https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/386353146_10232735081624134_7836888901536474970_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=ATucqKhzt24AX8F9Cza&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfA2pIsjhpEfdV1WeoFN5g839t7UOl-szYsRDPJ8Vmk9kQ&oe=65230C25)
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Post by: cramx3 on October 04, 2023, 12:18:03 PM
 :lol nice, I only recently knew who she was and that those two were a thing from social media.  She's a good looking lady, good for him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 12:31:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/f8TRLwK.jpg)

i made some fanart of mike portnoy looking for some real estate in seattle
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2023, 12:38:47 PM
Really milking that joke, huh?


Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 12:44:30 PM
Really milking that joke, huh?


Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?

(https://i.imgur.com/qtGX7DN.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 04, 2023, 12:47:56 PM
Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?
What's the difference?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on October 04, 2023, 12:50:37 PM
Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?
What's the difference?

Is that Bumblefoot?  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 04, 2023, 12:51:14 PM
Really milking that joke, huh?


Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?

(https://i.imgur.com/qtGX7DN.jpg)

AI love child of Serj Tankian and MP
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 04, 2023, 12:51:22 PM
I mean, Charlie Benante relocated here years ago from New York. He was always coming here to see shows because he said the vibe and the crowds were more passionate than in NY so he just decided to move here. He's been in the suburbs and maybe MP will move into his neighborhood.

I saw Charlie and his girlfriend (Carla Harvey) on a Metra train, pre-pandemic.

And no pictures of Carla?!

Haha.  At the time, I didn't know who she was, since I don't listen to Butcher Babies and had no idea that they were dating.  I only uploaded my pic of Charlie to Facebook.

This was them on the train. 

(https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/386353146_10232735081624134_7836888901536474970_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=ATucqKhzt24AX8F9Cza&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfA2pIsjhpEfdV1WeoFN5g839t7UOl-szYsRDPJ8Vmk9kQ&oe=65230C25)

HAHAHA, it looks like you're peering down in their sunroof!!  :)

(Cool pic, though).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on October 04, 2023, 12:52:38 PM
Really milking that joke, huh?


Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?

(https://i.imgur.com/qtGX7DN.jpg)

Whoever it is, it looks like a Smurf had their way with him.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 04, 2023, 12:55:30 PM
Really milking that joke, huh?


Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?

(https://i.imgur.com/qtGX7DN.jpg)

AI love child of Serj Tankian and MP


:lol had the same thought
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2023, 07:23:02 PM
Anybody else miss Mike his engagement with the fans, like the Christmas morning eastereggs or the twitter Q&A’s?
He used to be so invested in the fan base and it was a ton of fun to discover some of his insights or gain knowledge of what he’s up to.
Maybe I’m nostalgic, but I sure miss it

Never had an account, but I did like to check in every few months and scroll through.  But it seems like you can't look at anything on there without having an account. So in a general way, yeah, I miss being able to do that because I choose not to register.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2023, 07:28:54 PM
MP is friends with Kris Myers. Kris had to have surgery and has been on the shelf for a bit. I believe MP got a thanks in the liner notes for Anchor Drops from Kris.

I just bought tickets to the show. I haven't seen UM in ages and this is a can't miss event for me.

That's going to be great! I'm sure it will be documented. Wish it were closer. Have fun!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2023, 07:30:34 PM
WhT is the Chicago reference?

Mike's the new drummer for Chicago?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on October 04, 2023, 07:34:57 PM
Really milking that joke, huh?


Also is that you in the pic? Or is that AI generated?

(https://i.imgur.com/qtGX7DN.jpg)

AI love child of Serj Tankian and MP

Long lost Gentle Giant album cover.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
Papa Smurf
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 05, 2023, 07:50:47 AM
Gentle Smurf - Slurping The Milk

it's a Gentle Giant/Mike Portnoy collab
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 05, 2023, 11:55:06 AM
WhT is the Chicago reference?

Mike's the new drummer for Chicago?

I haven't heard the album, but it's KILLER.  The production is shit, but there's a 12:40 song and it's the best on the album (because it's the longest).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on October 05, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
WhT is the Chicago reference?

Mike's the new drummer for Chicago?

I haven't heard the album, but it's KILLER.  The production is shit, but there's a 12:40 songs and it's the best on the album (because it's the longest).

But what time signatures do they use?!?!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 05, 2023, 12:44:54 PM
mike portnoy only drums in 9/8 time
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on October 05, 2023, 12:45:42 PM
mike portnoy only drums in 9/11 time

 :huh:  :-\
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 05, 2023, 12:48:04 PM
That’s a big oof.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2023, 01:02:51 PM
mike portnoy only drums in 9/11 time
Just so you don't make this joke again...

9/11 is not a legitimate time signature.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 05, 2023, 01:09:11 PM
You could play a 9:11 polyrhythm, though. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9CgR2Y6XO4)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: WilliamMunny on October 05, 2023, 01:29:28 PM
I mean, there's good 'ol fashioned Trollin', and then there's just plain tasteless.  :tdwn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 05, 2023, 02:45:50 PM
edited my post. meant to write 9/8 which is the time signature of my favorite part of my favorite genesis song (apocalypse section of supper's ready)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on October 05, 2023, 03:21:29 PM
Quote

The Blue Thunder Drumline page just posted this: us performing “Conga” at the Seattle Seahawks game two weekends ago! Pretty cool to hear a Drumline jamming some 7/8 😎🥁🏈

https://youtu.be/rNKeAz7ta0U?si=SV1Ql5yZ5SFmjvYq

Mike posted this jam with the drum line from Seahawks! Looks like a blast!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 05, 2023, 03:38:50 PM
i see he's playing tamas, did he have to bring those in himself or did the stadium/team just so happen to supply him with a kit by the maker he has a sponsorship from? :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Adami on October 05, 2023, 03:40:31 PM
i see he's playing tamas, did he have to bring those in himself or did the stadium/team just so happen to supply him with a kit by the maker he has a sponsorship from? :lol

Tama is one of the most popular drum companies in the world. Every major city will have a ton of Tama drums somewhere between music stores.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 05, 2023, 03:41:07 PM
not sure i follow, surely you're not suggesting they made MP buy his own Tamas for this drumline?

edit: nvm, you were likely suggesting the stadium/team bought them. reading comprehension fail
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: pg1067 on October 05, 2023, 05:43:11 PM
The drums are, without question, owned by the drumline/team.

"Blue Thunder features Guest Drummers at rehearsals and game days as well as an occasional joint performance on a big stage!  Some of the more prominent Guests include:  Alan White (YES/John Lennon/George Harrison), Chad Smith (Red Hot Chili Peppers), Will Calhoun (Living Colour), David Garibaldi (Tower of Power), Byron McMackin (Pennywise), Mike Derosier (Heart), Scott Rockenfield (Queensryche), Steve Smith (Journey/Vital Information), Yuri Ruley (MxPx), Matt Cameron (Pearl Jam / Soundgarden), John Tempesta (The Cult / White Zombie), and Charlie Benante (Anthrax)."

I'd be quite surprised if, when they don't have a guest, one of their members plays the drumset.

https://www.seahawks.com/drumline/blue-thunder/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lordxizor on October 25, 2023, 08:08:01 AM
Mike's back with DT.  :o

Did not see that coming at this time
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
What the fuck! I thought it was an April's fool post at first.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
What the fuck! I thought it was an April's fool post at first.
**checks calendar**
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 08:20:14 AM
What the fuck! I thought it was an April's fool post at first.

You and me both :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on October 25, 2023, 08:20:53 AM
Wait.....wait.....WAIT.....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lordxizor on October 25, 2023, 08:21:29 AM
What the fuck! I thought it was an April's fool post at first.
I triple checked the Facebook post to make sure it was form the official DT page. :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 25, 2023, 08:22:20 AM
What the fuck! I thought it was an April's fool post at first.
I triple checked the Facebook post to make sure it was form the official DT page. :lol

I saw this on twitter first and the comments were all like "this is a hack" but I noticed INside Out liked the tweet and that made me think it was true, of course then I came here and its confirmed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2023, 08:26:14 AM
I really hope he opens his forum back now! I mean I'm still going to be here but I miss his 6:00 gifts and other surprises.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on October 25, 2023, 08:28:10 AM
I guess all those drummers and fans who wanted to see MP play MM's parts might get their wish now!  :lol That is, if they play any MM-era material at all on the next tour with Portnoy. It would be a bit sad if they never play any songs off those five albums ever again, but I think Portnoy could re-arrange those parts to suit his style and skill.

Either way, this is insane news and I cannot wait to see what the future of MP and DT bring in their final chapter together!

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lordxizor on October 25, 2023, 08:31:49 AM
I guess all those drummers and fans who wanted to see MP play MM's parts might get their wish now!  :lol That is, if they play any MM-era material at all on the next tour with Portnoy. It would be a bit sad if they never play any songs off those five albums ever again, but I think Portnoy could re-arrange those parts to suit his style and skill.

Either way, this is insane news and I cannot wait to see what the future of MP and DT bring in their final chapter together!

-Marc.
I would hope they don't avoid the MM songs live. Though I fully expect the next tour to be classic song focused with MP, plus stuff from the new album.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2023, 08:38:16 AM
I guess all those drummers and fans who wanted to see MP play MM's parts might get their wish now!  :lol That is, if they play any MM-era material at all on the next tour with Portnoy. It would be a bit sad if they never play any songs off those five albums ever again, but I think Portnoy could re-arrange those parts to suit his style and skill.
I would be surprised if they COMPLETELY avoid this era, but I'm certain there are some parts of some songs that Portnoy won't be able to recreate as recorded.

Which is not a dig.  I just hope that he doesn't allow things like that to keep him from playing the songs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 08:40:09 AM
I'm sure MP won't put a ban on these albums, and he might be the one to propose to play certain songs he might find interesting.

However I expect the next tour to be a full nostalgia one and to have classic MP era songs and some new stuff.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on October 25, 2023, 08:41:20 AM
Awake turns 30 next year, maybe they'll sprinkle the setlist with some Awake songs. Although they did it when I saw them 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 25, 2023, 08:44:10 AM
Holy shit. It actually happened :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: abydos on October 25, 2023, 09:02:49 AM
To be a fly on the wall in those conversations leading up to this.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 09:16:57 AM
To be a fly on the wall in those conversations leading up to this.

Oh, I want to know everything! who initiated it? I bet John Petrucci was the main instigator. Did the label or business partners asked for a change? did the band came to the conclusion on their own? Were they all enthusiastic? did someone (James?) needed convincing? how "guilty" they felt over letting Mangini go? did the band ask to Mike or MP was subtly "hinting, wink wink" at how great it would be for them to be back together?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lordxizor on October 25, 2023, 09:22:56 AM
It had to have started with conversations between JP and MP, right? They're friends and hang out. I can imagine JM and JR wouldn't have taken much convincing. JLB is the one with the biggest beef with MP, so I'm curious how much his opinion mattered or if he and MP had truly buried the hatchet and were ready to work together again.

I hope it was more of a musical and friendship decision (wouldn't it be great to work together again and recapture that old energy?) rather than a business one (the tours haven't been selling out lately how do we get more butts in the seats?)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 25, 2023, 09:36:20 AM
It had to have started with conversations between JP and MP, right? They're friends and hang out. I can imagine JM and JR wouldn't have taken much convincing. JLB is the one with the biggest beef with MP, so I'm curious how much his opinion mattered or if he and MP had truly buried the hatchet and were ready to work together again.

I hope it was more of a musical and friendship decision (wouldn't it be great to work together again and recapture that old energy?) rather than a business one (the tours haven't been selling out lately how do we get more butts in the seats?)

Can't imagine the business doesn't come into play, but I certainly hope there's ALSO the joy of playing with the guys again. One can only assume JLB and MP truly did bury the hatchet last year.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Elite on October 25, 2023, 09:41:29 AM
Well, ain’t this a surprise!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 25, 2023, 09:46:39 AM
I really hope he opens his forum back now! I mean I'm still going to be here but I miss his 6:00 gifts and other surprises.

Heck yeah! The first thing I thought with the purple shaded band photo on the announcement was “he needs to bring the forum back!”
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 09:48:37 AM
Now that he's back... will he ever release his Shattered Fortress live thing? He said at the time he didn't do it because it would mean too much red tape for him to deal with.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on October 25, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
Well, ain’t this a surprise!
Even Elite comes back for this  :)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on October 25, 2023, 09:50:02 AM
Now that he's back... will he ever release his Shattered Fortress live thing? He said at the time he didn't do it because it would mean too much red tape for him to deal with.

Why would he when they will clearly do the whole thing on tour next year?!  :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Buddyhunter1 on October 25, 2023, 09:57:15 AM
Now that he's back... will he ever release his Shattered Fortress live thing? He said at the time he didn't do it because it would mean too much red tape for him to deal with.

Why would he when they will clearly do the whole thing on tour next year?!  :corn

If that's what it takes for them to play The Glass Prison again, fuck it, I'm down.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 09:58:53 AM
Now that he's back... will he ever release his Shattered Fortress live thing? He said at the time he didn't do it because it would mean too much red tape for him to deal with.

Why would he when they will clearly do the whole thing on tour next year?!  :corn

If that's what it takes for them to play The Glass Prison again, fuck it, I'm down.

I'd rather take The Best of Times, just for that solo...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 25, 2023, 10:00:36 AM
Well, ain’t this a surprise!

Even brought you out of hiding. Good to see you dude!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on October 25, 2023, 10:14:28 AM
Not saying I saw this happening, because I really didn't, but with SOA done and TA done, FC and NMB inactive and TWD finishing their cycle for a while, I was really wondering if Mike was going to try to get back at some point. We obviously don't know who started the conversations, but things worked out well for him in the end.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2023, 10:19:41 AM
It had to have started with conversations between JP and MP, right? They're friends and hang out. I can imagine JM and JR wouldn't have taken much convincing. JLB is the one with the biggest beef with MP, so I'm curious how much his opinion mattered or if he and MP had truly buried the hatchet and were ready to work together again.

I hope it was more of a musical and friendship decision (wouldn't it be great to work together again and recapture that old energy?) rather than a business one (the tours haven't been selling out lately how do we get more butts in the seats?)

Can't imagine the business doesn't come into play, but I certainly hope there's ALSO the joy of playing with the guys again. One can only assume JLB and MP truly did bury the hatchet last year.

I saw two of the solo shows - admittedly, early ones (including second night and the show at Berkley) - and they were CLEARLY having fun.  That wasn't for business.  There was an organic quality to it that I hadn't really seen in a while from either of them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on October 25, 2023, 10:31:17 AM
I saw the same at the two FL shows I attended.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on October 25, 2023, 10:39:20 AM
So since he's back in the band, should this thread be moved to the DT side :neverusethis:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on October 25, 2023, 10:54:23 AM
It had to have started with conversations between JP and MP, right? They're friends and hang out. I can imagine JM and JR wouldn't have taken much convincing. JLB is the one with the biggest beef with MP, so I'm curious how much his opinion mattered or if he and MP had truly buried the hatchet and were ready to work together again.

I hope it was more of a musical and friendship decision (wouldn't it be great to work together again and recapture that old energy?) rather than a business one (the tours haven't been selling out lately how do we get more butts in the seats?)

Can't imagine the business doesn't come into play, but I certainly hope there's ALSO the joy of playing with the guys again. One can only assume JLB and MP truly did bury the hatchet last year.

I saw two of the solo shows - admittedly, early ones (including second night and the show at Berkley) - and they were CLEARLY having fun.  That wasn't for business.  There was an organic quality to it that I hadn't really seen in a while from either of them.

Well, I still can't help but think business still played a role, but I saw the show too and agree, they looked like they were having fun and it was more personal than just the business side of things.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2023, 11:16:09 AM
So since he's back in the band, should this thread be moved to the DT side :neverusethis:
Not yet
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on October 25, 2023, 11:17:09 AM
So since he's back in the band, should this thread be moved to the DT side :neverusethis:
Not yet
I guess when it moves over there, then the MM appreciation thread comes here? Wild stuff.  :D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 25, 2023, 11:34:08 AM
Awake turns 30 next year, maybe they'll sprinkle the setlist with some Awake songs. Although they did it when I saw them 10 years ago.

I so hope we finally get the Mind Beside Itself suite again....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on October 25, 2023, 11:41:24 AM
Ummm? I don't know how to react to this.
Edit: Its excellent for public relations and MP and his fans but in the big picture I don't think it impacts the quality of the music. I'm sure the next album will be great. The next tour will be massive.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2023, 11:43:27 AM
So since he's back in the band, should this thread be moved to the DT side :neverusethis:
Not yet
I guess when it moves over there, then the MM appreciation thread comes here? Wild stuff.  :D
The Universe is a crazy place.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kyo on October 25, 2023, 11:53:09 AM
Not saying I saw this happening, because I really didn't, but with SOA done and TA done, FC and NMB inactive and TWD finishing their cycle for a while, I was really wondering if Mike was going to try to get back at some point.
Yeah, I actually commented on MP's suspiciously empty schedule for the near future just last week, smelling something was up. I was expecting some LTE activity, though - close, but not quite on target.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on October 25, 2023, 12:02:01 PM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so. I'll really miss the NMB as that is truly an incredible band, but hopefully, there will be another album and tour in the future.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 25, 2023, 12:14:37 PM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so.

I think this is likely
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 25, 2023, 12:31:29 PM
Not saying I saw this happening, because I really didn't, but with SOA done and TA done, FC and NMB inactive and TWD finishing their cycle for a while, I was really wondering if Mike was going to try to get back at some point.
Yeah, I actually commented on MP's suspiciously empty schedule for the near future just last week, smelling something was up. I was expecting some LTE activity, though - close, but not quite on target.  :laugh:

I can't remember where I saw it (I imagine Facebook), but Mike did hint recently that he had something special in the works that he couldn't announce yet. I'm thinking this may have bene it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on October 25, 2023, 12:35:13 PM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so.

I think this is likely

This makes sense to me. SOA is pretty much done for (and now I wonder how Derek feels about this news). Flying Colors doesn't seem likely to reunite for another album or full tour, but at least a few one-off shows like the Cruise next year. Transatlantic has felt done for a couple years now so I don't mind them no longer being a thing. And NMB has been sporadic at best. Maybe with Eric doing TEMIC and Mike rejoining DT, perhaps this is a good time for Neal to rejoin Spock's Beard and get that band off to a jump-start for the last leg of their career, rather than petering out of existence as they have been lately (and Ted Leonard is with Pattern-Seeking Animals these days, so I don't think he'd be too upset if Neal came back to SB and took the lead again).

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on October 25, 2023, 12:42:07 PM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so.

I think this is likely

This makes sense to me. SOA is pretty much done for (and now I wonder how Derek feels about this news). Flying Colors doesn't seem likely to reunite for another album or full tour, but at least a few one-off shows like the Cruise next year. Transatlantic has felt done for a couple years now so I don't mind them no longer being a thing. And NMB has been sporadic at best. Maybe with Eric doing TEMIC and Mike rejoining DT, perhaps this is a good time for Neal to rejoin Spock's Beard and get that band off to a jump-start for the last leg of their career, rather than petering out of existence as they have been lately (and Ted Leonard is with Pattern-Seeking Animals these days, so I don't think he'd be too upset if Neal came back to SB and took the lead again).

-Marc.
Good idea. NM needs to reunite with SB and then co-headline a Spock's/DT tour. I missed them opening for DT back in the day and I've always regretted it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MirrorMask on October 25, 2023, 01:01:50 PM
Not saying I saw this happening, because I really didn't, but with SOA done and TA done, FC and NMB inactive and TWD finishing their cycle for a while, I was really wondering if Mike was going to try to get back at some point.
Yeah, I actually commented on MP's suspiciously empty schedule for the near future just last week, smelling something was up. I was expecting some LTE activity, though - close, but not quite on target.  :laugh:

I can't remember where I saw it (I imagine Facebook), but Mike did hint recently that he had something special in the works that he couldn't announce yet. I'm thinking this may have been it.

I remember something like this as well, but it beats me where I actually did read that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 25, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
The return of MP and Elite in the same day, it's Christmas in October!

Gonna take time to process this.  It's kind of funny, just within the last month or two I remember having a random thought about all the drama when he left, remember listening to an interview at the time where MP talked about wondering whether he'd ever be able to rejoin down the road or whether that would be the end, and given it's now been over a dozen years since then, whether it was more or less likely now.  Must have been something in the ether. 

with SOA done and TA done, FC and NMB inactive and TWD

It amuses me that even though I listen to none of these bands regularly, I know exactly who they are all abbreviations for instantly. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: faizoff on October 25, 2023, 01:04:42 PM
The return of MP and Elite in the same day, it's Christmas in October!

Don't forget Kev and emtee!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 25, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
The return of MP and Elite in the same day, it's Christmas in October!

Don't forget Kev and emtee!

Outstanding!  This forum is moving way too fast today for me.   :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 25, 2023, 01:17:36 PM
And Indiscipline has just commented :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 25, 2023, 01:18:54 PM
Borlag and Itchy should be chiming in any time now. :lol :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 25, 2023, 01:23:08 PM
It’s great seeing all these familiar faces come out of the wooodwork. It’s like a damn high school reunion in here, except it’s people you actually want to see  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 25, 2023, 01:24:38 PM
The new golden age of DTF, when former and current reunite!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 25, 2023, 01:27:26 PM
And yet we still haven’t broken the record for most users online. Someone asked this in the other thread but what happened January 18th of this year?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 25, 2023, 01:27:33 PM
Waiting for home and Train of Naught to get in here.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on October 25, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so.

I think this is likely

This makes sense to me. SOA is pretty much done for (and now I wonder how Derek feels about this news). Flying Colors doesn't seem likely to reunite for another album or full tour, but at least a few one-off shows like the Cruise next year. Transatlantic has felt done for a couple years now so I don't mind them no longer being a thing. And NMB has been sporadic at best. Maybe with Eric doing TEMIC and Mike rejoining DT, perhaps this is a good time for Neal to rejoin Spock's Beard and get that band off to a jump-start for the last leg of their career, rather than petering out of existence as they have been lately (and Ted Leonard is with Pattern-Seeking Animals these days, so I don't think he'd be too upset if Neal came back to SB and took the lead again).

-Marc.
Good idea. NM needs to reunite with SB!
I'd love that :corn
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 25, 2023, 01:28:59 PM
And yet we still haven’t broken the record for most users online. Someone asked this in the other thread but what happened January 18th of this year?

Was that when Litho posted his score for my submission of Han-tyumi and the Murder of the Universe Suite?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 25, 2023, 01:50:39 PM
And yet we still haven’t broken the record for most users online. Someone asked this in the other thread but what happened January 18th of this year?

Was that when Litho posted his score for my submission of Han-tyumi and the Murder of the Universe Suite?

Very close, two days later.   :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 25, 2023, 01:52:36 PM
And yet we still haven’t broken the record for most users online. Someone asked this in the other thread but what happened January 18th of this year?

Was that when Litho posted his score for my submission of Han-tyumi and the Murder of the Universe Suite?

Very close, two days later.   :lol

Takes time for word to get around I guess.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 25, 2023, 01:56:39 PM
Other way around, the hype must have been building...  (https://i.imgur.com/9Po5i1a.gif)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 25, 2023, 01:57:18 PM
Borlag and Itchy should be chiming in any time now. :lol :P
Oh fuck no
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on October 25, 2023, 02:35:45 PM
I'm holding out fo Hellholming
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2023, 02:37:18 PM
Me too!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Jamesman42 on October 25, 2023, 07:20:18 PM
Borlag lmao, that guy was something else
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jingle.boy on October 26, 2023, 04:56:55 AM
AndyDT is my wish.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Zydar on October 26, 2023, 05:05:39 AM
NickySpanjaards
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on October 26, 2023, 05:41:59 AM
We got blob to make an appearance, that was enough for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: twosuitsluke on October 26, 2023, 05:43:21 AM
We got blob to make an appearance, that was enough for me.

Yea, I saw that. How long has it been since he last posted?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: lonestar on October 26, 2023, 05:49:03 AM
Way too long....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 26, 2023, 05:49:33 AM
Deep cuts:  7th Seal, Father Pyramid. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: JustJen on October 26, 2023, 06:05:39 AM
As long as we're talking about old timers we haven't seen around the forum forever, I'll throw out Omega Monkey and RushAss. I can't remember what I was saying three minutes ago but I can remember people from 19 years ago who I met on an online forum, crazy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 06:20:49 AM
I still talk to Marcus (RushAss) here and there.  He's still one of the funniest people I have ever known.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: JustJen on October 26, 2023, 06:25:58 AM
I still talk to Marcus (RushAss) here and there.  He's still one of the funniest people I have ever known.
When I tagged him on facebook and suggested he pop in he responded with "Sweet blithering Jesus!"
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 07:08:57 AM
I still talk to Marcus (RushAss) here and there.  He's still one of the funniest people I have ever known.
When I tagged him on facebook and suggested he pop in he responded with "Sweet blithering Jesus!"

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

That thread is still a top 5 moment for me when it comes to the hardest I have ever laughed.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: JustJen on October 26, 2023, 07:56:10 AM
I still talk to Marcus (RushAss) here and there.  He's still one of the funniest people I have ever known.
When I tagged him on facebook and suggested he pop in he responded with "Sweet blithering Jesus!"

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

That thread is still a top 5 moment for me when it comes to the hardest I have ever laughed.

Yes me too! I was just saying this morning that I laughed so hard that I cried, then stopped making any sound altogether. I just paid $5 to get back into my old photobucket they had deactivated and hid behind a paywall, in fact, hoping I had some screenshots from it there since I don't have access to my external hard drive where I am right now. So far I don't have that but I do have some extremely old and questionable dtf content lol. Also came across a pic of TheTexasPirate and realized that is a name i haven't thought of in like 15 years lol.

Then saw a pic of Don from the Photoshop Don thread... man we all had a lot of good times.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2023, 09:54:52 AM
Haha, yep, much hilarity back then.   :tup :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: LithoJazzoSphere on October 26, 2023, 10:08:52 AM
As long as we're talking about old timers we haven't seen around the forum forever, I'll throw out Omega Monkey and RushAss.

Also came across a pic of TheTexasPirate and realized that is a name i haven't thought of in like 15 years lol.

I met Omega Monkey at a Return To Forever concert.  He could be overly combative on the forum, but that guy knew his music. 

I remember RushAss and TheTexasPirate too, hadn't thought about those names in many years either.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Glasser on October 26, 2023, 10:18:04 AM
RushAss?  :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ErHaO on October 26, 2023, 11:18:00 AM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so. I'll really miss the NMB as that is truly an incredible band, but hopefully, there will be another album and tour in the future.

I think so too.

But I will say that I loved the 10+ year ride and the many great albums that led to. I honestly even enjoyed the initial Amob. There was always a baseline of quality to the many projects MP was involved in. And almost always a good/great live release. But the NM collabs where definitely where it was at, with Great Adventure and Similtude of a Dream being top 25 of all time albums for me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 26, 2023, 11:37:16 AM
It's also possible that TWD and FC (similar to TA) are just ready to wind down naturally. Billy Sheehan is 70. Steve Morse is 69 and we know about his family concerns keeping him occupied. They've each put out three albums, which in my mind always signified something with an artist (not sure why, but it just seems like a minimum number for a proper career). That could have been part of what spurred MP to rejoin DT now. All his other projects were winding down.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: JustJen on October 26, 2023, 11:52:48 AM
I feel MP's days of being in ten bands at a time are over. I think it will be DT full-time, NMB during down time and Winery Dogs maybe 1 more time in 5 years or so. I'll really miss the NMB as that is truly an incredible band, but hopefully, there will be another album and tour in the future.

 But the NM collabs where definitely where it was at, with Great Adventure and Similtude of a Dream being top 25 of all time albums for me.

Neal Morse Band was the most exciting new band to come into my life, aside from Haken, since I first discovered Porcupine Tree thanks to DTF.net back in the day.

Which, it just occurred to me, probably explains why I have two DT tattoos, a PT tattoo, a SW tattoo, a NMB lyrical tattoo, and a Haken tattoo along with my others. Gonna get some more mileage out of my DT ones by the look if it. I'm so excited about music again, it's a joy to be reinvigorated.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 26, 2023, 12:28:57 PM
It's also possible that TWD and FC (similar to TA) are just ready to wind down naturally. Billy Sheehan is 70. Steve Morse is 69 and we know about his family concerns keeping him occupied. They've each put out three albums, which in my mind always signified something with an artist (not sure why, but it just seems like a minimum number for a proper career). That could have been part of what spurred MP to rejoin DT now. All his other projects were winding down.

I have nothing in writing to back this up, and I'm not speculating on anything, I'm just telling you how I feel, but:  I've gotten the vibe for a couple months now that Neal wants to do other things. I don't know if it's opera, or more deeply, directly religious things (like Joseph).  Mike was, when you look at it, VERY active with Neal across the various projects, and if - IF - that is coming to an end, this is a reasonable, predictable, schedulable gig.   DT has NEVER gone on any official hiatus; this is a regular paying gig, in a way that Mike hasn't appeared to have in a non-Neal scenario.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 26, 2023, 12:58:07 PM
Yeah, at a minimum, it seems like Neal is going to be more sporadic in his output and I wouldn't be surprised if he really backs off the touring even if he still is up for making albums. So that probably wouldn't be a steady paycheck for Mike without touring.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on October 27, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
Biggest surprise from Mike's solo years is that we only got two Transatlantic records. I thought that it had a decent chance to become his main band, but I guess everyone else still had their main projects to focus on. Honestly, after The Absolute Universe, I'm not sure how much Transatlantic I want or need. The guys just seem out of sync with each other, having three "versions" of the same album was a wild move that I still really do not understand, and it makes me wonder if as a group anyone in the room is really interested in owning, and fighting for, the project.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 27, 2023, 01:28:54 PM
Transatlantic is definitely done, even without Mike rejoining DT
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 27, 2023, 01:34:13 PM
Posted this in the Neal Morse thread, but Neal had this statement on FB today:

Quote
Neal‘s comments on Mike Portnoy returning to Dream Theater:
I just want to say personally that I’m really, really happy for my friend. I know that he and his family are thrilled for him to be back in dream theater, and I’m sure I speak for everybody in NMB, when I say we wish you all the very best!
I’m sure when the time is right, we will write/record together again, but in the meantime, of course, we have a MorseFest London and CTTE with Flying Colors to look forward to.
Every blessing to all,
Neal

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=876235963870585&set=a.257951602365694
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on October 27, 2023, 01:53:27 PM
Transatlantic is definitely done, even without Mike rejoining DT

Did someone say that, or is that just your inference based on similar thinking to mine?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on October 27, 2023, 02:16:00 PM
Transatlantic is definitely done, even without Mike rejoining DT

Did someone say that, or is that just your inference based on similar thinking to mine?

There were multiple comments by band members (or maybe just MP) up to, during, and after the Paris show that it might likely be the end of Transatlantic. My guess is that there ended up being considerable turmoil behind the scenes for TAU (as evidenced by all the different versions). I'd bet we probably never get another studio album but will hold out hope that a few years from now they go out and do another tour. Maybe spotlight the first two albums since they've largely gotten the shaft outside of medleys for the last couple tours.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 27, 2023, 04:13:47 PM
My understanding was that it was likely their final live performance, not that they may never record again.

Obviously, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on October 27, 2023, 05:21:12 PM
TA is 100% done. Two of the members don't get along.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Skeever on October 27, 2023, 06:11:56 PM
If anyone can point me to an interview, I'd be grateful.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 27, 2023, 06:14:54 PM
TA is 100% done. Two of the members don't get along.

Yes, Ted tells in my interview that that TA in the future is pretty unlikely. It felt more like he couldn't say it's done, but...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on October 28, 2023, 04:33:20 AM
Neal and Mike both hinted at it.

The live album from the Paris show is called The Final Flight for a reason lol

Neal was very emotional (more than usual lol) at the end of that show. There are lots of pics they posted with him crying hugging Mike. Mike even looked a little weepy.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on October 28, 2023, 04:36:07 AM
Also, I saw someone said they hoped that Transatlantic would have become more active after Mike left DT. I think part of the appeal of Transatlantic was that the albums were kinda “rare” I think creatively they benefited from that as well. To me it’s a perfect discography.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 30, 2023, 08:01:55 AM
which two members of TA don't get along? NM and who else? My assumption is one of them (prob not MP) doesn't like all the preachy stuff. Would that be Roine or the Marillion guy?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on October 30, 2023, 08:11:47 AM
All signs point to Roine and Neal. I’d be shocked if it wasn’t. We’ve talked about it at length in the Transatlantic thread.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 30, 2023, 08:17:19 AM
yeah, figured.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2023, 12:48:54 PM
which two members of TA don't get along? NM and who else? My assumption is one of them (prob not MP) doesn't like all the preachy stuff. Would that be Roine or the Marillion guy?

I never got that it was the preachy stuff; I took it to be more fundamental.   I know there were musical choices that didn't sit well.  I know that learning the massive amounts of material didn't sit well.  The changes to material done individually didn't sit well. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 30, 2023, 01:03:29 PM
which two members of TA don't get along? NM and who else? My assumption is one of them (prob not MP) doesn't like all the preachy stuff. Would that be Roine or the Marillion guy?

I never got that it was the preachy stuff; I took it to be more fundamental.   I know there were musical choices that didn't sit well.  I know that learning the massive amounts of material didn't sit well.  The changes to material done individually didn't sit well.

That right there was TROAE
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on October 30, 2023, 03:00:16 PM
I don't know that it's a given that two members don't get along.  Rodrigo may know something I don't, but I haven't seen anything that would indicate that that is the case.  But that of course doesn't really alter that point that, from what has been said by a couple of members, TA is not an active entity right now and has no plans to be.  That isn't to say they wouldn't do something at some point in the future.  But I think they seem to consider themselves done for the moment.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2023, 03:41:42 PM
Also, I saw someone said they hoped that Transatlantic would have become more active after Mike left DT. I think part of the appeal of Transatlantic was that the albums were kinda “rare” I think creatively they benefited from that as well. To me it’s a perfect discography.

If you throw out Kaleidescope and The Absolute Universe then I agree 100%. Near perfect discography.

Those last couple efforts were way too "rinse/repeat" for me to be considered anything original from those guys....pretty cut and paste and ho hum.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kram on October 30, 2023, 03:48:49 PM
I don't know that it's a given that two members don't get along.  Rodrigo may know something I don't, but I haven't seen anything that would indicate that that is the case.  But that of course doesn't really alter that point that, from what has been said by a couple of members, TA is not an active entity right now and has no plans to be.  That isn't to say they wouldn't do something at some point in the future.  But I think they seem to consider themselves done for the moment.
I agree Bosk.  I'm sure they "get along".  I think it's more "creative differences", if you will..
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 30, 2023, 03:58:25 PM
Also, I saw someone said they hoped that Transatlantic would have become more active after Mike left DT. I think part of the appeal of Transatlantic was that the albums were kinda “rare” I think creatively they benefited from that as well. To me it’s a perfect discography.

If you throw out Kaleidescope and The Absolute Universe then I agree 100%. Near perfect discography.

Those last couple efforts were way too "rinse/repeat" for me to be considered anything original from those guys....pretty cut and paste and ho hum.

If you also throw out The Whirlwind IMO. I can’t explain it, but I really only enjoy the first two TA albums (two of my favorite albums ever). TAU is the one I enjoyed most after that. But I agree, they have probably made all the music I need them to make.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on October 30, 2023, 04:21:27 PM
thinking on it more it would be really hard to imagine roine and neal actually fighting over something like a religious reason. i would imagine even if roine doesn't agree with neal's specific beliefs he'd be accepting of them given his own spirituality. deff agree that it seems a bit overplayed that there is a some (any?) drama
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on October 30, 2023, 04:21:56 PM
All signs point to Roine and Neal. I’d be shocked if it wasn’t. We’ve talked about it at length in the Transatlantic thread.

Gonna pop some popcorn and settle in for some reading
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2023, 04:45:03 PM
If the issue is between Neal and Roine, I doubt it is over religion, but over way the Neal did his shortened version of The Absolute Universe, which saw him remove quite a bit of Roine's best stuff, not to mention adding a song that Roine didn't even play on (Can You Feel It).  I am sure Neal's intentions were noble, and a couple changes were for the better, but if I were Roine, I would have been pretty ticked.  Neal deciding to remove The World We Used to Know, the centerpiece of the album (and the best song, IMO), just boggles the mind.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on October 30, 2023, 04:57:42 PM
Yeah, it’s almost certainly not a religious thing.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on October 30, 2023, 05:02:17 PM
If the issue is between Neal and Roine, I doubt it is over religion, but over way the Neal did his shortened version of The Absolute Universe, which saw him remove quite a bit of Roine's best stuff, not to mention adding a song that Roine didn't even play on (Can You Feel It).  I am sure Neal's intentions were noble, and a couple changes were for the better, but if I were Roine, I would have been pretty ticked.  Neal deciding to remove The World We Used to Know, the centerpiece of the album (and the best song, IMO), just boggles the mind.

I've always seen this situation the same way, with Mike trying to play peacemaker between the two by suggesting they release both versions - Roine's original, longer idea of the album, and Neal's truncated/re-done version, and while he was at it, make his own version that combined his favorite bits from both while making it longer than either.

It definitely struck me as ironic when Neal was the one who wanted to make the album shorter and Roine wanted it to keep it a double, but I think Neal was maybe worried that he would be associated with putting out so many double albums in such a short time (after TSOAD and TGA came out). There's always going to be more than what we'll ever know about that situation and what their personal feelings were at the time, but I think at this point they've probably mellowed out a bit, but are not likely to reunite any time soon, and it definitely feels like TAU will be their last albums.

As far as how their catalog ranks, it's easily one of my favorites, and while their last two albums feel like a bit of a rehash of their earlier works, it's like being served a really good burger and fries instead of a steak and mashed potatoes. Sure, there's almost the same, and earlier steak and potatoes are probably better than the latter burger and fries, but both are good meals regardless. I think throwing in the towel after album and tour number five was a good call over-all, as they've definitely said all they need to say with their music.

Now, if they do a one-off show in the future, I would not put it past them. Neal would most likely initiate that conversation, but it would probably be part of a festival or a cruise, where Mike, Roine, and Pete also happen to be there in addition to Neal, though given how old they're all getting, and how sporadically everyone but Mike seems to tour, I wouldn't hold my breath.

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Cocopjojo on October 30, 2023, 05:44:31 PM
Like someone said, this has been discussed extensively over in the TA thread, but in general this is not something that happened suddenly or due to one event. If you've read Neal's newsletters over the years, or seen the Transatlantic Making Of videos, even going back to the one for The Whirlwind, it's clear that there's been some strife for a long time. TAU seems to just be the culmination of it. And I for one am thankful that they called it quits before it turned into anything publicly nasty.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on October 30, 2023, 06:58:10 PM
I never saw anything I could consider "strife."  I saw creative differences, and very different personalities, but that happens in a lot of bands without becoming any sort of interpersonal conflict.  Given how much time these guys have spent together, it seems odd to me to try to draw conclusions about their relationships based on clips assembled together into a total of a few hours of video footage. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: KevShmev on October 30, 2023, 07:23:12 PM
Like someone said, this has been discussed extensively over in the TA thread, but in general this is not something that happened suddenly or due to one event. If you've read Neal's newsletters over the years, or seen the Transatlantic Making Of videos, even going back to the one for The Whirlwind, it's clear that there's been some strife for a long time. TAU seems to just be the culmination of it. And I for one am thankful that they called it quits before it turned into anything publicly nasty.

I just remember a few interviews with Roine around the time of the release, and while he didn't come right out and say it, his aggravation about how it all went down was pretty clear.  I am pretty sure it was discussed in real time in the TA thread here.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Schurftkut on October 31, 2023, 12:24:54 PM
Roine did remixes of all the albums i believe, some are quite interestingly different. Him feeling like his contributions being left out has been there from the get go.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 31, 2023, 12:37:40 PM
yep.

(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/337/cover_483919112009.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on November 03, 2023, 11:03:34 AM
On The Winery Dogs front:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=853730742784484&set=a.239944944163070&comment_id=292808863674050&notif_id=1699013975164330&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif

Also a live Bluray/DVD. :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kyo on November 05, 2023, 04:48:12 AM
Roine did remixes of all the albums i believe, some are quite interestingly different. Him feeling like his contributions being left out has been there from the get go.

I don't think Roine mixed any album other than their debut, with the band ultimately picking Rich Mouser's mix over his.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on November 05, 2023, 06:46:17 AM
Roine did remixes of all the albums i believe, some are quite interestingly different. Him feeling like his contributions being left out has been there from the get go.

I don't think Roine mixed any album other than their debut, with the band ultimately picking Rich Mouser's mix over his.

Didn’t Neal do his own remix of the first album as well? Or maybe he just put out the demos.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Trav86 on November 05, 2023, 07:06:39 AM
He put out demos of the first two.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Rob24 on November 06, 2023, 12:34:18 AM
The new golden age of DTF, when former and current reunite!

It's really nice to see. I'm an oldschooler too, but I think you guys probably won't remember me.
My name was Keks of Thought back in '04 in DT.net times, some other nicks that I'm forgetting right now and later Mike's Schieaybude in MP.com.

Anyways, sad to see the end of TA, I really wonder what exactly the beef is. TAU didn't really click with me, anyway.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on December 29, 2023, 11:15:10 AM
Bumping this thread because MP's set with Umphrey's McGee is tonight in Chicago. The show will be livestreamed on nugs.net, should be easy to sign up for a free one week trial if you want to check it out. I believe the band will be playing two sets, with MP only sitting in for one of them.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on December 29, 2023, 11:48:25 AM
Bumping this thread because MP's set with Umphrey's McGee is tonight in Chicago. The show will be livestreamed on nugs.net, should be easy to sign up for a free one week trial if you want to check it out. I believe the band will be playing two sets, with MP only sitting in for one of them.

Hopefully this will be on you tube one day.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 29, 2023, 02:02:28 PM
As I posted in the concerts thread, I will be there in person. Melody will be in the house as well. Be leaving for my buddy's soon so we can start making our way there.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 30, 2023, 10:15:09 AM
Fantastic show. First set was all old stuff and Jake was pure fire as always.

I expected a decent amount of covers in MP's set but there was still a lot of jamming and he was a natural fit. Knowing how UM works, I am aware of their communication methods while playing and they were coaching and leading MP quite a bit, but the casual watcher wouldn't have known. Brendan was on the talkback mic quite a bit and you could see him and MP clearly communicating. Ryan also seemed to be leading him occasionally with some body movements on when to drop a beat. Ryan spent a good amount of MP's set facing him and just having a blast. Jake too. You had Ryan and Jake facing MP quite often and just having fun. The whole band seemed really enamored with having the man on stage with them.

My one hope was Wizard Burial Ground and they gave us an awesome WBG to close the second set. I'm still reeling from the show as I got home at like 2:30am. It was a long show and a long night.

Last note, all concert sound guys should take lessons from UM's guy. No earplugs needed and just an amazing balance and clarity in the sound. One of the best sounding shows I have even seen.

EDIT: Oh yeah, they did Big Bottom in the encore with Ryan on Lead Bass 1, Brendan on Lead Bass 2 and MP on Lead Bass 3. It was awesome.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on December 30, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Fantastic show. First set was all old stuff and Jake was pure fire as always.

I expected a decent amount of covers in MP's set but there was still a lot of jamming and he was a natural fit. Knowing how UM works, I am aware of their communication methods while playing and they were coaching and leading MP quite a bit, but the casual watcher wouldn't have known. Brendan was on the talkback mic quite a bit and you could see him and MP clearly communication. Ryan also seemed to be leading him occasionally with some body movements on when do drop a beat. Ryan spent a good amount of MP's set facing him and just having a blast. Jake too. You had Ryan and Jake facing MP quite often and just having fun. The whole band seemed really enamored with having the man on stage with them.

My one hope was Wizard Burial Ground and they gave us an awesome WBG to close the second set. I'm still reeling from the show as I got home at like 2:30am. It was a long show and a long night.

Last note, all concert sound guys should take lessons from UM's guy. No earplugs needed and just an amazing balance and clarity in the sound. One of the best sounding shows I have even seen.

EDIT: Oh yeah, they did Big Bottom in the encore with Ryan on Lead Bass 1, Brendan on Lead Bass 2 and MP on Lead Bass 3. It was awesome.
Talk about mudflaps.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 30, 2023, 04:44:17 PM
Pretty good quality vid of Big Bottom and YYZ.

https://youtu.be/QKe57-xBhio?si=DRK0AWRi5pxVTuFS

Show is already up on Nugs and I have it downloaded.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on December 30, 2023, 04:59:13 PM
Pretty good quality vid of Big Bottom and YYZ.

https://youtu.be/QKe57-xBhio?si=DRK0AWRi5pxVTuFS

Show is already up on Nugs and I have it downloaded.
:metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on December 30, 2023, 06:05:59 PM
I watched the livestream of last night's set, I thought it was pretty good. Covers heavy, which makes sense given the lack of rehearsal time, but Mike held his own jamming on some of the originals and I think it's telling that he's the first guest drummer they tackled Wizard Burial Ground with. I was hoping for Mantis, as it's one of my favorites and seems like it would be right in MP's wheelhouse, but I can't complain about what we got.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: jasc15 on December 31, 2023, 10:18:53 AM
Ive been anticipating this show, and have been debating whether to subscribe to nugs.  This show, and UM's catalog are the only material I'd really be interested in, so probably not.  Maybe just a free trial to watch the whole set, especially Wizard Burial Ground.  I did catch the Big Bottom/YYZ encore on youtube, and was confused why Mike wasn't behind the drums initially.

Also, if you liked UM's covers, check out their cover/mashup album Zonkey.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 31, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
MP year in review posted on FB:

2023 #MPYearInReview

MP’s Fav Albums Of 2023:
(In no particular order)
* Steven Wilson - The Harmony Codex
* Avenged Sevenfold - Life Is But A Dream…
* Night Verses - Every Sound Has A Color In The Valley Of Night Pt 1
* Code Orange - The Above
* Sleep Token - Take Me Back To Eden
* Empire State Bastard - Rivers Of Heresy
* Haken - Fauna
* Temic - Terror Management Theory
* Periphery - V: Djent Is Not a Genre
* Marvelous 3 - IV

Honorable Mentions:
* Extreme - Six
* The Guess Who - Plein D’Amour (Really!!!! Check it out and prepare to be blown away…)
* Crown Lands - Fearless
* The Lemon Twigs - Everything Harmony 
* Mammoth WVH II
* Rival Sons - Darkfighter / Lightbringer
* The Anchoret - It All Began With Loneliness
* Trevor Rabin - Rio

MP’s Fav Films Of 2022:
(In no particular order)
* Beau Is Afraid
* The Killer
* Asteroid City
* Oppenheimer
* Talk To Me
* Leave The World Behind
* Infinity Pool

And here’s a few films that were released at the end of the year that I’m looking forward to seeing but haven’t yet at the time of making this list…(but I have faith a few of them will end up here as well):

* Killers of The Flower Moon
* The Zone Of Interest
* Poor Things
* The Holdovers
* Priscilla
* Saltburn
* May December
* The Iron Claw

Click on the "Diary" on my Letterboxd page to see a list of every film I watched/saw in 2023:
http://boxd.it/asPR

MP’s Fav TV Of 2023:
(In no particular order)
* Copenhagen Cowboy
* Succession S4 (RIP)
* Barry S4 (RIP)
* The Last Of Us S1
* Black Mirror S6
* Daisy Jones & The Six
* Dave S3
* Fargo S5
* Black Bird

MP 2023 Releases:
* The Winery Dogs III
* Transatlantic - The Final Flight: Live At L’Olympia
* NMB - An Evening Of Innocence & Danger: Live In Hamburg
* NMB - Morsefest 2020

And finally, a tribute to some of the people we sadly lost this year…

MP’s 2023 RIP Section:
Jeff Beck
David Crosby
Dom Famularo
Charlie Dominici
Gary Rossington
Jim Gordon
Ray Shulman
Tina Turner
Tony Bennett
Sinéad O’Connor
Robbie Robertson
Sixto Rodriguez
Jimmy Buffett
Gary Wright
Denny Laine
Lisa Marie Presley
Raquel Welch
Richard Belzer
Tom Sizemore
Robert Blake
Jerry Springer
Treat Willams
Alan Arkin
Paul Reubens
Angus Cloud
William Friedkin
Piper Laurie
Suzanne Somers
Burt Young
Mr. Udo
Matthew Perry
Ryan O’Neal

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And for all you "list enthusiasts", 
Click below to see my previous Year End Wrap-Ups:   

MP’s Best Of 2022:
https://www.facebook.com/579020077/posts/10167470428415078/?mibextid=K8Wfd2

MP’s Best Of 2021:
https://www.facebook.com/100044540401846/posts/467440288083981/?d=n

MP’s Best Of 2020:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/5269005006450432/?d=n

MP's Best Of 10's (Decade End Wrap-Up):
https://www.facebook.com/579020077/posts/10162979133495078/?d=n

MP’s Best of 2019:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/3653524981331784?sfns=mo

MP's Best of 2018:
https://www.facebook.com/116713035013014/posts/2680383655312593?sfns=mo

MP's Best of 2017:
https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/2030845370266428

MP's Best of 2001 - 2016:
https://www.mikeportnoy.com/best-of/
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 01, 2024, 11:30:29 AM
Portnoy was just on with The Prog Report's "Wheel of Rock" (or Metal? in this case) ranking the tiers of the Metallica albums. At the beginning of the video, he does talk about rejoining DT and what some of the plans seem to be. Beginning of the year, the guys are going into the studio..so maybe this week or next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abNk63Ka32I


* The Guess Who - Plein D’Amour (Really!!!! Check it out and prepare to be blown away…)

I highly concur. This record is fantastic, regardless of the fact it sounds nothing like The Guess Who.

surprised Portnoy did not have the new Peter Gabriel album on his list.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 01, 2024, 11:33:17 AM
Seems like the band will only have about a week before MP has to get to London for Morsefest on the 12th-13th, though I guess he might come straight back and only be gone about a week.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on January 02, 2024, 02:24:02 AM
Is it certain that Mike is performing at Morsefest? He hasn't mentioned it once and he's been asked about his schedule numerous times.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 02, 2024, 05:55:28 AM
Is it certain that Mike is performing at Morsefest? He hasn't mentioned it once and he's been asked about his schedule numerous times.

From his Facebook page:

Quote
MP Upcoming Dates!
I can’t wait to reunite with Dream Theater after the New Year to begin work on a new album…but I still do have some previously committed to dates & appearances still on the calendar for the upcoming weeks and months…so here’s what’s coming up next in MP world:

Eddie Trunk 40th Anniversary:
Dec 11th - Las Vegas, NV

with Umphrey's McGee:
Dec 29th - Chicago, IL

Bubba Bash w YYNOT:
Jan 6th - Glenside, PA

with Neal Morse & NMB:
Jan 12th & 13th - Morsefest UK

with Metal Allegiance:
Jan 25th - Anaheim, CA

with Flying Colors:
March 8th to 13th - Cruise to the Edge
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Setlist Scotty on January 02, 2024, 06:49:50 AM
Seems like the band will only have about a week before MP has to get to London for Morsefest on the 12th-13th, though I guess he might come straight back and only be gone about a week.
Given he also is doing the Bubba Bash and the Metal Allegiance thing, I would imagine it's quite possible that they won't really get started until the end of the month. Maybe after he gets back from Morsefest if he just flies in for MA a day before and flies back the day following, but I can't see them really starting before that. Just too many things for MP to still do before then (including packing, travel time, etc.)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Mladen on January 02, 2024, 06:58:23 AM
I'm assuming MP is catching planes in between the studio sessions, it wouldn't be the first time for him to be so busy. He probably enjoys it as well.  ;D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on January 02, 2024, 07:38:33 AM
Yeah, I would say that the Metal Allegiance and Bubba Bash are each only taking up 1-2 days of time, maybe 5 for Morsefest, so there should still be plenty of time to get work done in January.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 02, 2024, 09:17:24 AM
I'm sure Mike would never admit this, but I can't imagine the Bubba Bash and the MA gigs are taking a ton of bandwidth beyond the travel time and the playing time.  Is there anything in the MA set that he hasn't played 1000 times since 1985? Not knocking it, just saying.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 02, 2024, 09:22:06 AM
Is there any reason the rest of DT can't be in the studio without MP for a week or something?  They own the studio, I don't think they need to be strict with their time using it. Im sure the band would entertain his ideas for songs, but maybe they can start working on ideas without him (if they even wanted to)?  I'm not sure I care too much about timing though.  They said early 2024, so that's good enough for me.  I see no reason for that to be a lie or bs.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Great Ape on January 02, 2024, 11:28:22 AM
Just streamed all of MP's performance on nugs... wow
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on January 02, 2024, 12:18:04 PM
Portnoy was just on with The Prog Report's "Wheel of Rock" (or Metal? in this case) ranking the tiers of the Metallica albums. At the beginning of the video, he does talk about rejoining DT and what some of the plans seem to be. Beginning of the year, the guys are going into the studio..so maybe this week or next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abNk63Ka32I




[/quote]

Great stuff, MP really knows his Metallica and he truly was there from the very beginning. First thing he does after getting his driver's license is go buy Ride the Lightning; epic. And he hates the Loads so that's another plus.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on January 03, 2024, 02:58:08 PM
Just streamed all of MP's performance on nugs... wow

the UM show? what did you think?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 04, 2024, 04:03:10 PM
UM posted Wizard Burial Ground with MP from the livestream:

https://youtu.be/XcBrF4ml2jU?si=uv-zvsOfVJ0w0DoM

Also, if you look around, it appears someone has posted the entire second set of the livestream.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on January 13, 2024, 03:08:30 PM
Would not surprise me if Mike came up with the idea of the drummers soloing in the middle of Closer To The Heart at Bubba Bash. I had always thought (may have even mentioned it) that would be an awesome thing to do similar to what Roger Daltrey did with Under A Raging Moon.  One of the highlights of the night for sure.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheBarstoolWarrior on January 13, 2024, 06:12:23 PM
Flying Colors was a fantastic project. Winery Dogs is a fantastic project. Both of those things are in part due to Mike Portnoy. They're great bands and that's where I hear his style 'at home' these days.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: bosk1 on January 13, 2024, 09:43:05 PM
Flying Colors was a good project.  Winery Dogs was a very pedestrian effort that I have no interest in.  There are lots of things Portnoy has done (and is doing) that are much more interesting. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Architeuthis on January 14, 2024, 02:08:09 PM
Flying Colors was a good project.  Winery Dogs was a very pedestrian effort that I have no interest in.  There are lots of things Portnoy has done (and is doing) that are much more interesting.
Same here, WD has done very little to pique my interest. Kind of a bummer that it is more successful than the other projects that have way more substance.  😕
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 14, 2024, 02:29:05 PM
MY rankings outside of DT.....
NMB A+
NM A+
SF A+
LTE A
TA A
SOA B+
FC B+
TWD B
PSMS B
OSI C
AM C-
MA D
BPMD D-
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2024, 02:32:07 PM
MY rankings outside of DT.....
NMB A+
NM A+
SF A+
LTE A
TA A
SOA B+
FC B+
TWD B
PSMS B
OSI C
AM C-
MA D
BPMD D-

What are SF and BPMD?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 14, 2024, 02:34:55 PM
My rankings of “MP In Exile” projects:

1. The Winery Dogs
2. Flying Colors

Everything else.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 14, 2024, 02:41:08 PM
MY rankings outside of DT.....
NMB A+
NM A+
SF A+
LTE A
TA A
SOA B+
FC B+
TWD B
PSMS B
OSI C
AM C-
MA D
BPMD D-

What are SF and BPMD?

Shattered Fortress and a covers project he did a while ago.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 14, 2024, 02:46:08 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on January 14, 2024, 02:47:39 PM
My vague rankings/favorites outside of Dream Theater:

1. Bridge Across Forever
2. A Twist of Fate
3. SMPTe
4. Office of Strategic Influence
5. Liquid Tension Experiment
6. Liquid Tension Experiment II
7. Flying Colors
8. Free
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 16, 2024, 05:06:05 PM
MP posted a story on his FB and it reads:

Yes indeed, it was my honor to travel down to Grand Cayman last September to honor AVH's induction into the MDHOF and pay tribute to him by playing some of my favorite Evanhalen songs *ON ALEX'S KIT* (worry not Eagle eye fans, l'm still an exclusive Tama & Sabian endorser Stay tuned on Thursday for this amazingly cool and unique tribute episode!
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: devieira73 on January 18, 2024, 12:04:43 PM
https://youtu.be/cUCZuzOaVDQ?si=3KiNlAl4SrWUn0jc
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 18, 2024, 03:14:07 PM
https://youtu.be/cUCZuzOaVDQ?si=3KiNlAl4SrWUn0jc

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: emtee on January 18, 2024, 03:30:51 PM
How effing cool was that! Wow.

Makes me so damn excited to see what he is going to do on DT16.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 19, 2024, 09:00:04 AM
Not entirely sure where to put this, but it seems some Meanstreak talk happened in this thread before....

https://blabbermouth.net/news/meanstreak-feat-dream-theater-members-wives-new-ep-blood-moon-coming-in-february (https://blabbermouth.net/news/meanstreak-feat-dream-theater-members-wives-new-ep-blood-moon-coming-in-february)

They have some new music coming out, but I noticed, blabbermouth also shared my video of them  :metal
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 19, 2024, 02:57:46 PM
Kind of fired up for that.  I really enjoyed their sets when I saw them.   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Dream Team on January 20, 2024, 08:08:15 PM
That’s awesome, hoorah for the gals who held down the fort for the boys all those years.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on January 21, 2024, 11:03:16 AM

MY groupings outside of DT.....

NMB A+
NM A+
LTE A+
TA A+
FC A+


OSI B+
PSMS B+
TWD B


SOA C


AM D
MA D
BPMD D
SF D
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: DTwwbwMP on January 21, 2024, 07:17:36 PM

MY groupings outside of DT.....

SF D
:omg:
REALLY????????????????????????? WHY????????????????
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2024, 07:21:04 PM
I can't say Shattered Fortress even registered on my radar. I can't really care about a band MP throws together to play the overrated 12 SS. Maybe if it was musicians I knew, but even then, what are they even playing?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Jamesman42 on January 21, 2024, 07:23:25 PM
MP made a band...just to play the 12SS?

Incredible.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 21, 2024, 07:26:34 PM
I wouldn't really consider the Shattered Fortress to be a band/project any more than Yellow Matter Custard or Hammer of the Gods or whatever other tribute concerts he did. Those were just one-off/limited runs for live purposes.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TAC on January 21, 2024, 07:27:44 PM
I wouldn't really consider the Shattered Fortress to be a band/project any more than Yellow Matter Custard or Hammer of the Gods or whatever other tribute concerts he did. Those were just one-off/limited runs for live purposes.

I can agree with that.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 21, 2024, 07:39:14 PM
I wouldn't really consider the Shattered Fortress to be a band/project any more than Yellow Matter Custard or Hammer of the Gods or whatever other tribute concerts he did. Those were just one-off/limited runs for live purposes.

Same thing with PSMS to some degree (just for a tour, no original music).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 21, 2024, 08:04:03 PM
I wouldn't really consider the Shattered Fortress to be a band/project any more than Yellow Matter Custard or Hammer of the Gods or whatever other tribute concerts he did. Those were just one-off/limited runs for live purposes.

Same thing with PSMS to some degree (just for a tour, no original music).

Yeah not really a band per se (though I do wish that lineup had made some original music together).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 21, 2024, 08:13:49 PM
I wouldn't really consider the Shattered Fortress to be a band/project any more than Yellow Matter Custard or Hammer of the Gods or whatever other tribute concerts he did. Those were just one-off/limited runs for live purposes.

Same thing with PSMS to some degree (just for a tour, no original music).

Yeah not really a band per se (though I do wish that lineup had made some original music together).

I was hoping too! But then we got SOA...
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on January 21, 2024, 09:04:28 PM
I don't know if there were ever plans to form a band doing original material, but I guess maybe Tony's cancer might have prevented that from happening.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 22, 2024, 12:07:51 AM

MY groupings outside of DT.....

SF D
:omg:
REALLY????????????????????????? WHY????????????????

My thoughts exactly......
That was a fricking awesome tour.

As for band, it was MP with Haken but without their drummer plus Eric Gilette from The Neal Morse Band.

Great memories from that tour. MP came down and handed me a stick after the 3rd song....

Setlist was awesome too.... getting to see 12SS was something I thought would never happen when MP left DT but there it was his 50th birthday present to the fans.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mike-portnoys-shattered-fortress/2017/slagthuset-malmo-sweden-63e43a4b.html

Speaking of which..... the efforts that MP and the others put into playig in Malmö....

Local promotor Progressive Circus noticed that there was a day of in the schedule between Paris and somewhere else. MP quickly agreed to come.
This meant travelling 14 hours on bus from Paris to Malmö... setting up, playing, tearing down and then 14 hours on bus to the next town.
Will always be grateful and amazed for the effort they put up to get to play in Malmö.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on January 22, 2024, 08:04:26 AM
And yet... that Shattered Fortress show was one of the best I've ever seen. The energy was through the roof (and it was the first sort of... thawing.  If I remember correctly, Rena came to the show in NY).   
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2024, 08:14:48 AM
And yet... that Shattered Fortress show was one of the best I've ever seen. The energy was through the roof (and it was the first sort of... thawing.  If I remember correctly, Rena came to the show in NY).

Yeah, that NYC show was really good.  And I'm not even a big fan of the 12SS as a whole, but like you said, there was an energy in that room that DT would be incredibly jealous to have since MP left.  Also, there's a uniqueness to those shows.  We'll likely never get that group of guys playing like that together again.  Also to add, I thought they did a great job doing those songs too including Ross' vocals. 
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 22, 2024, 08:49:38 AM
I recall he had one of those shows recorded/filmed but was sitting on it due to his issues with DT. I wonder if we might see that released now.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kocak on January 22, 2024, 09:08:56 AM
I recall he had one of those shows recorded/filmed but was sitting on it due to his issues with DT. I wonder if we might see that released now.

He has one pro shot video on his channel. I wonder if it was the Tilburg show?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 22, 2024, 09:19:48 AM
I recall he had one of those shows recorded/filmed but was sitting on it due to his issues with DT. I wonder if we might see that released now.

He has one pro shot video on his channel. I wonder if it was the Tilburg show?

He does have material from The Shattered Fortress recorded, and I think it was Tillburg...they do LOTS of recording there. Funny enough, I asked him about that and about Tillburg when I interviewed him and everyone else from the NEal Morse Band, backstage at their concert in Toronto in 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PvzjRTvp8
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Lonk on January 22, 2024, 09:37:33 AM
And yet... that Shattered Fortress show was one of the best I've ever seen. The energy was through the roof (and it was the first sort of... thawing.  If I remember correctly, Rena came to the show in NY).

Yeah, that NYC show was really good.  And I'm not even a big fan of the 12SS as a whole, but like you said, there was an energy in that room that DT would be incredibly jealous to have since MP left.  Also, there's a uniqueness to those shows.  We'll likely never get that group of guys playing like that together again.  Also to add, I thought they did a great job doing those songs too including Ross' vocals.
Yeah, I was at the NYC show as well and it was incredible. Definitely agree that the energy from that show is something DT has not achieve in a while (At least at the shows I've gone to).

The ending to This Dying Soul is probably one of my favorite concert moments I've have experienced, with all 3 guitar players taking turns during the solo  :metal

https://youtu.be/vJtocduQqLw?feature=shared&t=1361
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 22, 2024, 09:41:42 AM
I recall he had one of those shows recorded/filmed but was sitting on it due to his issues with DT. I wonder if we might see that released now.

While I would like to listen to a good recording of it, I would find it strange if the first release he does when back in DT is a recording of DT songs being played by non-DT musicians.

Maybe there's an opportunity somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on January 22, 2024, 09:46:47 AM
My only real issue with the Shattered Fortress thing is that he went to unnecessary lenghts with 3 guitar players. Eric alone would've been just fine. I guess since he was already taking half of Haken with him, he thought he would take the other half anyway :lol (even Ray played with them on Repentance for a few shows).
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on January 22, 2024, 09:56:02 AM
And yet... that Shattered Fortress show was one of the best I've ever seen. The energy was through the roof (and it was the first sort of... thawing.  If I remember correctly, Rena came to the show in NY).

Yeah, that NYC show was really good.  And I'm not even a big fan of the 12SS as a whole, but like you said, there was an energy in that room that DT would be incredibly jealous to have since MP left.  Also, there's a uniqueness to those shows.  We'll likely never get that group of guys playing like that together again.  Also to add, I thought they did a great job doing those songs too including Ross' vocals.
Yeah, I was at the NYC show as well and it was incredible. Definitely agree that the energy from that show is something DT has not achieve in a while (At least at the shows I've gone to).

The ending to This Dying Soul is probably one of my favorite concert moments I've have experienced, with all 3 guitar players taking turns during the solo  :metal

https://youtu.be/vJtocduQqLw?feature=shared&t=1361

Yeah, that part was incredible.

I recall he had one of those shows recorded/filmed but was sitting on it due to his issues with DT. I wonder if we might see that released now.

While I would like to listen to a good recording of it, I would find it strange if the first release he does when back in DT is a recording of DT songs being played by non-DT musicians.

Maybe there's an opportunity somewhere along the line.

I feel like if it gets released, it's after the band is retired.  I see no reason for this to come out when DT is reuniting.  Makes little sense to focus on the time apart.  BUT if there exists a proper recording, I'd love for it to see the light.  My videos from the NYC show aren't the greatest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bwd95zKRm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bwd95zKRm4) but I also remember a pretty solid DTF meet up before that show.  There's a picture somewhere.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on January 22, 2024, 01:42:02 PM
The ending to This Dying Soul is probably one of my favorite concert moments I've have experienced, with all 3 guitar players taking turns during the solo  :metal

https://youtu.be/vJtocduQqLw?feature=shared&t=1361

Wow! How much fun were they having?! Brilliant.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: axeman90210 on January 22, 2024, 08:04:24 PM
Yeah, that NYC Shattered Fortress show was special. Probably in my inner circle for top concerts I've ever been to. The energy was so crazy that night, never experienced anything like it at a DT show, even when MP was still in the band pre-2010. And I remember thinking it was cruel of MP to make all three guitar players not only learn that crazy unison, but coordinate coming in and out of it with each other and Diego :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on January 22, 2024, 11:51:00 PM
They might have had the idea themselves, who knows? It's relatively rare to see musicians so obviously enjoying themselves like that, whatever the story behind it. I got the feeling they were just living their best lives in that moment, just like every time I see my ex-dog and he's bounding with every possible drop of enthusiasm a golden retriever can muster :biggrin: (And that's a lot of enthusiasm for anyone who's never had a golden!)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 22, 2024, 11:55:15 PM
It was such an awesome show would have loved to relive it through a BlueRay release..... alas, not going to happen
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Curious Orange on January 23, 2024, 02:16:35 AM
I went to this show:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mike-portnoys-shattered-fortress/2017/koko-london-england-53e4cbed.html

And my memory definitely recalls they played A Change of Seasons as the encore. Is my memory wrong or is Setlist FM wrong?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Schurftkut on January 23, 2024, 04:42:23 AM
your memory is wrong. MP stated he wanted to also play ACOS, but didn't do that because DT was also touring ACOS around that time.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ReaperKK on January 24, 2024, 06:39:23 AM
I never caught the 12SS shows, was there any official release or anything like that?
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: SwedishGoose on January 24, 2024, 06:51:08 AM
I never caught the 12SS shows, was there any official release or anything like that?

There was a recording made in Tillburg but never released.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on January 24, 2024, 08:34:12 AM
your memory is wrong. MP stated he wanted to also play ACOS, but didn't do that because DT was also touring ACOS around that time.

Yes, and that's a total shame...ACOS is more personal to MP than it is for the rest of the band. He respectfully declined to play it with The Shattered Fortress because DT were playing it at the same time and didn't want to raise comparisons and nasty comments online.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on January 29, 2024, 01:44:18 PM
MP's best side project is Dream Theater
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Max Kuehnau on January 29, 2024, 02:40:22 PM
your memory is wrong. MP stated he wanted to also play ACOS, but didn't do that because DT was also touring ACOS around that time.

Yes, and that's a total shame...ACOS is more personal to MP than it is for the rest of the band. He respectfully declined to play it with The Shattered Fortress because DT were playing it at the same time and didn't want to raise comparisons and nasty comments online.
You do remember why DT played it on the I/W 2.0 tour in 2017, don't you? Because it was supposed to close I/W. That was the only reason. And it would have worked as its closer IMHO, especially in its completed form. I don't think John intended to be mean to MP or to anyone for that matter.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Nekov on January 31, 2024, 09:07:02 AM
I went to see TSF when then played un Argentina and it was a blast. I was completely blown away by Eric and how good he was at both the guitar and singing. That was also the first time the Haken guys got to play in South America and there is no doubt in my mind that the experience led them to include SA in their next tours.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: RodrigoAltaf on February 02, 2024, 03:35:39 AM
your memory is wrong. MP stated he wanted to also play ACOS, but didn't do that because DT was also touring ACOS around that time.

Yes, and that's a total shame...ACOS is more personal to MP than it is for the rest of the band. He respectfully declined to play it with The Shattered Fortress because DT were playing it at the same time and didn't want to raise comparisons and nasty comments online.
You do remember why DT played it on the I/W 2.0 tour in 2017, don't you? Because it was supposed to close I/W. That was the only reason. And it would have worked as its closer IMHO, especially in its completed form. I don't think John intended to be mean to MP or to anyone for that matter.

Yes, I don't think it was included to spite MP.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 02, 2024, 08:51:18 PM
I wouldn't really consider the Shattered Fortress to be a band/project any more than Yellow Matter Custard or Hammer of the Gods or whatever other tribute concerts he did. Those were just one-off/limited runs for live purposes.

Same thing with PSMS to some degree (just for a tour, no original music).

Maybe not but there is a CD/DVD to enjoy just like the cover band projects.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on February 02, 2024, 08:53:28 PM
And yet... that Shattered Fortress show was one of the best I've ever seen. The energy was through the roof (and it was the first sort of... thawing.  If I remember correctly, Rena came to the show in NY).

That's the show I would have been at but I just wasn't feelin it.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 08, 2024, 07:21:31 AM
Yesterday we received a promo album for the band Sonic Universe, and it mentioned Mike Portnoy as part of Porcupine Tree, did I miss that collaboration or the press release is way off?

(https://i.imgur.com/1Ehploi.png)
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2024, 07:58:12 AM
Yesterday we received a promo album for the band Sonic Universe, and it mentioned Mike Portnoy as part of Porcupine Tree, did I miss that collaboration or the press release is way off?

(https://i.imgur.com/1Ehploi.png)

I get your question is more egregious, but I just laugh at how some people write.  It's as if the words don't actually have a real meaning .  "Diverse talents such as Mike Portnoy and AJ Pero".  "Diverse" means "very different", and "showing a great deal of variety".   There's a LOT of overlap with Portnoy and Pero.  Maybe "Pero" and "ALLEN" are diverse, maybe a different word than "diverse".   And is Adrenaline Mob really "mighty"?   That sounds, well, mutherfuckin' pyschosane to me.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 08, 2024, 08:01:44 AM
Yesterday we received a promo album for the band Sonic Universe, and it mentioned Mike Portnoy as part of Porcupine Tree, did I miss that collaboration or the press release is way off?

(https://i.imgur.com/1Ehploi.png)

I get your question is more egregious, but I just laugh at how some people write.  It's as if the words don't actually have a real meaning .  "Diverse talents such as Mike Portnoy and AJ Pero".  "Diverse" means "very different", and "showing a great deal of variety".   There's a LOT of overlap with Portnoy and Pero.  Maybe "Pero" and "ALLEN" are diverse, maybe a different word than "diverse".   And is Adrenaline Mob really "mighty"?   That sounds, well, mutherfuckin' pyschosane to me.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: nobloodyname on March 08, 2024, 08:01:54 AM
The press release is wrong. MP's never had anything to do with PT.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: HOF on March 08, 2024, 08:04:33 AM
Preen Theater.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 08, 2024, 09:00:36 AM
Pinery Togs
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: cramx3 on March 08, 2024, 09:03:44 AM
But that Seattle football game had MP listed as in Dream Theater last fall and we all know how that ended up....
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 08, 2024, 09:04:54 AM
But that Seattle football game had MP listed as in Dream Theater last fall and we all know how that ended up....

But did he move to Seattle? :P
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 08, 2024, 09:29:02 AM
Pinery Togs
Preen Theater.

Piquid Tension (Experiment)
Petal Tallegiance
The Peal Torse Band
PransTatlantic
Plying Tolors

-Marc.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Indiscipline on March 08, 2024, 09:29:58 AM
Playing TAMA
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Stadler on March 08, 2024, 12:33:11 PM
Pinery Togs

 :tup
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on March 13, 2024, 12:38:23 PM
MP playing The Spirit Carries On with JR, Charlie Griffiths(Haken), and Joe Payne on Cruise to the Edge.

https://youtu.be/bL-ouTIgKHY?si=4QfQ5GFUFVvhw3p3

Who is Joe Payne? Also, I hear bass guitar, but there’s no bassist onstage.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: The Letter M on March 13, 2024, 12:45:39 PM
Who is Joe Payne?

Joe Payne, from That Joe Payne.

Quote
Progressive-music vocalist, That Joe Payne, is recognised for his involvement with a variety of projects, from solo releases to collaborations with artists such as The Enid, John Holden, Zio, and Taï Phong.

Based in Northampton, England, and remembered by audiences for boasting an impressive five-octave range and flamboyant showmanship, his voice has featured on no less than sixteen album releases since his career began in 2011.

Personal achievements include being voted Best Male Vocalist two years running by the readers of Prog Magazine, and three Progressive Music Award nominations for his work with The Enid.

As a solo artist, Joe has regularly supported other known artists throughout the prog-scene, including Franck Carducci and Ms Amy Birks, having also performed at the 2019 Marillion Weekend in The Netherlands.

https://www.thatjoepayne.com/about

That's That Joe Payne.

-Marc.

Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: Metro on March 13, 2024, 12:46:38 PM
Oh…THAT Joe Payne  :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: gzarruk on March 13, 2024, 12:57:14 PM
Also, I hear bass guitar, but there’s no bassist onstage.

It's Jordan playing keyboard bass :lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 14, 2024, 07:42:36 AM
many years ago there was a rumor that MP might join with SW and MA for what became Storm Corrosion but i don't think they ever actually recorded together
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 14, 2024, 07:54:56 AM
many years ago there was a rumor that MP might join with SW and MA for what became Storm Corrosion but i don't think they ever actually recorded together
They didn't, and if memory serves that was a concept that was largely promoted by MP, not SW or MA.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: TheHoveringSojourn808 on March 14, 2024, 07:56:23 AM
just realized i failed to quote for my post and it was responding to a post from like 1-2 pages earlier, :lol my bad lol
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 16, 2024, 07:36:49 PM
Yesterday we received a promo album for the band Sonic Universe, and it mentioned Mike Portnoy as part of Porcupine Tree, did I miss that collaboration or the press release is way off?

(https://i.imgur.com/1Ehploi.png)

I was planning on picking this up because of Corey Glover and later found out Mike Orlando is on it.  I think AI wrote that press release.
Title: Re: The Mike Portnoy Appreciation/Discussion Thread (merged)
Post by: ytserush on March 16, 2024, 07:37:47 PM
But that Seattle football game had MP listed as in Dream Theater last fall and we all know how that ended up....

But did he move to Seattle? :P

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