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I just thought of something interesting and I thought I would get your opinions. I was thinking to myself, "Which band just encompasses all that is metal?" Now, you have the answers that everyone would give like Maiden, Metallica, Priest, and Sabbath but I am trying to avoid those because I think that while they are most certainly metal, they don't seem to portray what metal has become and what it should be in the future. To me metal is just in your face music and after some thought, I have come up with a list that, to me, just makes up metal. (Note, this is not a "your favorite metal band" thread, because as you can see, despite my epic Metallica fanboism, I left them out) So...what about you guys?
Machine Head
Sepultura
Pantera
Of all of those, if I was to have a Martian listen to a song that just defined all that I thought was metal, I would probably play Davidian by Machine Head, Refuse/Resist by Sepultura(or Roots Bloody Roots, I really can't choose), or Cowboys from Hell by Pantera.
I mean...look at these!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvWQwOdYe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7qazLruC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFaE_ZyuQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFaE_ZyuQg
edit: OK!OK!OK!OK! I just have to add Metallica because I am a fucking fanboy and I caved!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEL6_SuQCu8 (I think this might be the only illegal one, if it is, please take it down)
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I'd rather not metal be represented by a bunch of hick rednecks personally.
That being said, there really isn't one band that I think can represent metal. History shows that metal likes to change things up and change its core sound. You have all kinds of subgenres that are cranking out music all the time from trad to death metal to prog and folk, etc..
Also, I'm concerned with you saying "metal should be". Metal should be whatever the fuck someone thinks it should be. I don't think metal should have any boundaries in which you can't cross, because that's just stupid. That's what is wrong with a lot of mainstream metal anyway :P
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Pantera were the stepping stone between old metal and new metal, but saying that, I think Metallica are the definition with old or new metal. I wouldn't call them my favourite, but I think they class as the overall definition of metal, for the majority anyway.
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
Fuckin A! I just need to listen to more of them. What I have heard from From Mars to Sirius is fucking :metal
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
How do you figure them? I don't really think they would be a good choice for representing all of metal.
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
How do you figure them? I don't really think they would be a good choice for representing all of metal.
Yeah. They might represent a small portion of mainstream metal, but do you think they represent all of trad, doom, death, black, prog, folk, thrash, etc.?
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
i've never listened to them, so how can they represent all metal. :coolio
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I'll clarify my point: I think metal is far too broad of a genre of music to be represented by one single band. Metal is the sum of its parts, and not simply one large band.
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
How do you figure them? I don't really think they would be a good choice for representing all of metal.
Yeah. They might represent a small portion of mainstream metal, but do you think they represent all of trad, doom, death, black, prog, folk, thrash, etc.?
For ALL of metal, Unexpect would be my pick, because they touch to nearly every style of music while staying metal.
But I stick to Gojira because to me, they are the walking (or running while setting villages on fire) definition of a metal band. And they represent everything there is to love about this genre, IMO.
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Yes, but the question isn't what band represents all of metal's subgenres. It is the question of, to you, what makes you go "Woah! THAT is what metal is all about!"
edit: kinda what gorille said about Gojira
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IMO, Mastodon is the benchmark for in-your-face, creative metal right now, so I'd choose them.
Normally though, I have to give Metallica the award for the most important/the best example of metal ever. If a martian came to Earth asking about metal, I'd show them "Master of Puppets." Dethklok would also be a good choice.
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Yes, but the question isn't what band represents all of metal's subgenres. It is the question of, to you, what makes you go "Woah! THAT is what metal is all about!"
edit: kinda what gorille said about Gojira
In that case my choice would be Iron Maiden.
(https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8341/dealwithitsloth.gif) (https://img89.imageshack.us/i/dealwithitsloth.gif/)
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Gojira is my pick. :metal
How do you figure them? I don't really think they would be a good choice for representing all of metal.
Yeah. They might represent a small portion of mainstream metal, but do you think they represent all of trad, doom, death, black, prog, folk, thrash, etc.?
For ALL of metal, Unexpect would be my pick, because they touch to nearly every style of music while staying metal.
But I stick to Gojira because to me, they are the walking (or running while setting villages on fire) definition of a metal band. And they represent everything there is to love about this genre, IMO.
I love most metal subgenres but Gojira has never interested me at all. I don't really see that.
Yes, but the question isn't what band represents all of metal's subgenres. It is the question of, to you, what makes you go "Woah! THAT is what metal is all about!"
edit: kinda what gorille said about Gojira
There isn't a single band that does it for me. Each band has something they do very well, and its the sum of all those bands that makes me love metal, and not just one band in particular. Its what makes me want to search out more awesome metal.
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IMO, Mastodon is the benchmark for in-your-face, creative metal right now, so I'd choose them.
Normally though, I have to give Metallica the award for the most important/the best example of metal ever. If a martian came to Earth asking about metal, I'd show them "Master of Puppets." Dethklok would also be a good choice.
I know I said I wouldn't include Metallica just because I thought I would get shot down for fanboism(guilty) but Master is one of metal's definitive songs. This is a lot harder than I thought after making this thread. :lol
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Yes, but the question isn't what band represents all of metal's subgenres. It is the question of, to you, what makes you go "Woah! THAT is what metal is all about!"
edit: kinda what gorille said about Gojira
In that case my choice would be Iron Maiden.
(https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8341/dealwithitsloth.gif) (https://img89.imageshack.us/i/dealwithitsloth.gif/)
:lol
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I certainly would have understood if you picked Metallica Cole. But really only when you're asking a question like that. They're more quintessential than anything. If you asked about the best metal band, THEN we would've laughed at you.
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Also, all of the videos I posted were live videos because to me, half the fun of metal is the live portion of it and some songs (like the ones I posted, to me anyway) just give off that head crushing awesomeness that is metal and the amazing bond between a metal band and their fans. Just another thing I thought I would say.
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I certainly would have understood if you picked Metallica Cole. But really only when you're asking a question like that. They're more quintessential than anything. If you asked about the best metal band, THEN we would've laughed at you.
edited the OP. They are now in there. I HAD TO. Plus, like you said, they really do deserve it. At least one of them.
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Cynic
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Cynic
Thought about these guys, but they're getting less and less metal, and their studio albums total to a little more than an hour of material total :P
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Well after just watching Flight 666 again, I'm gonna have to go with Maiden for many reasons, the main one being the integrity and loyalty to metal fans worldwide.
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Umm.. I already mentioned Metallica at the start of the thread.
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Iron Maiden.
I wouldn't call people who don't like Maiden fans of heavy metal. I don't respect them as people either.
:biggrin:
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Iron Maiden
Slayer
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To me metal (and every other genre/style for that matter), don't really have a 'spirit'. They're just types of music, nothing more.
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(https://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01130/cradle-of-filth-68_1130014a.jpg)
I think this band sums up the genre as a whole.
They also portray that 'image' of metal that anyone who doesn't know the genre immediately thinks of.
They make awful music though.
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I understand why you don't say Metallica, but it's like saying "Pick the definitive metal band out of all the bands apart from the definitive metal band". Love them or hate them, think they're "real metal" or not, think "metal should be" something else, it really would be Metallica.
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It's in the name. Hur Hur.
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(https://www.venomslegions.com/photos/photo-images/venom09a.jpg)
Venom would like to speak to you about what is metal.
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https://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=67953
Not serious btw.
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Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and Metallica.
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https://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=67953
Not serious btw.
:lol :lol
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To me metal (and every other genre/style for that matter), don't really have a 'spirit'. They're just types of music, nothing more.
I'd disagree that certain style's of music do have a spirit of their own.
That being said, I don't see why there should be one band to represent a style of music. Its the collection of all the great bands that make the genre so great, not just one large band that does it for me.
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Opeth
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Opeth
:metal
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Sabbath are the definition of metal I would say, followed closely by Priest and Maiden.
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I have to give it to Metallica. Not only the music, but the lifestyle they lead in their peak. Seriously. The huge stadiums the legions of fans, the epic music. They are truly the kings of the genre despite the falloff in their recent years. Metallica has left a ridiculous legacy that isn't even close to being touched by any other metal band.
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To me metal (and every other genre/style for that matter), don't really have a 'spirit'. They're just types of music, nothing more.
I'd disagree that certain style's of music do have a spirit of their own.
That being said, I don't see why there should be one band to represent a style of music. Its the collection of all the great bands that make the genre so great, not just one large band that does it for me.
Yeah, I agree with you. But this thread is like a little game to see which is the definitive metal band according to everybodies' opinion. Now, of course the goal is not to find what the true metal band is! It's more a way of discussing how everyone's view of metal in general changes from each other.
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Manowar.
Daeth To False Metal. Into glory Ride.
They are Metal.
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I have to give it to Metallica. Not only the music, but the lifestyle they lead in their peak. Seriously. The huge stadiums the legions of fans, the epic music. They are truly the kings of the genre despite the falloff in their recent years. Metallica has left a ridiculous legacy that isn't even close to being touched by any other metal band.
agree
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Manowar.
Daeth To False Metal. Into glory Ride.
They are Metal.
This. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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JUDAS PRIEST
SABBATH
METALLICA
SCORPIONS
all one would ever need :metal
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Strappin' Young Lad. Love? is the greatest headbanging song ever.
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I'd rather not metal be represented by a bunch of hick rednecks personally.
Oh not this shit again.
Gojira is my pick. :metal
How do you figure them? I don't really think they would be a good choice for representing all of metal.
Yeah. They might represent a small portion of mainstream metal, but do you think they represent all of trad, doom, death, black, prog, folk, thrash, etc.?
But I stick to Gojira because to me, they are the walking (or running while setting villages on fire) definition of a metal band. And they represent everything there is to love about this genre, IMO.
While I agree on specific aspects, they definitely don't "encompass all that is metal" lyrically, seeing how generally the subject matter of their music is about spirituality and protecting the environment. Unless you count the pre-Gojira material when they were a more straightforward death metal band known as "Godzilla".
My pick goes towards two bands. Firstly, Strapping Young Lad. They have the harsh vocals, the clean vocals, the fast and heavy as fucking fuck guitar, facepounding drums and some very metal subject matter (OH YOU IRONIC POP ROCK FUCK, DON'T YOU FUCK WITH METAL). There's also a lot of humor that floats around metal (often very tongue in cheek) and Strapping touches on that perfectly. Strapping is also one of those metal bands that just sounds NOTHING LIKE any other metal band I can think of, if that has to do with this at all.
My second pick goes out to a band a little more obvious: Iron Maiden. They define, to me, what metal should be. At times it's very dark, terrifying and evil. Other times it's a bit more lighthearted and fun. And throughout their discography, they touch all the different aspects that have brought most metal together.
To me metal (and every other genre/style for that matter), don't really have a 'spirit'. They're just types of music, nothing more.
Sigz, I respect your opinion and all but I have to say I disagree. Metal isn't just about the music. There is an entire sub-culture that goes along with it. It spans out across fan-bases, festivals and even some lifestyles. If you haven't already seen the documentary Metal:A Headbangers Journey, do so now. It sheds a massive amount of light on the concept of metal being a culture within itself.
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dethklok.
they are so metal their name was inspired by (arguably) the best poster on this forum.
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:lol
Somehow I find that hard to believe. Where's your source on this? Wikipedia?
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nope. well maybe...
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To me metal (and every other genre/style for that matter), don't really have a 'spirit'. They're just types of music, nothing more.
Sigz, I respect your opinion and all but I have to say I disagree. Metal isn't just about the music. There is an entire sub-culture that goes along with it. It spans out across fan-bases, festivals and even some lifestyles. If you haven't already seen the documentary Metal:A Headbangers Journey, do so now. It sheds a massive amount of light on the concept of metal being a culture within itself.
I have seen it, and it's a fantastic movie, but I still don't buy that 'metal isn't just about the music'. Sure, there's some 'brotherhood' of metal fans and whatever bullshit, but in the end the entire sub-culture aspect of it is tertiary to the music. There's plenty of metal bands that have little to do with that culture, and there's plenty of metal fans (like myself) who really don't participate in it.
I know how much you love Maggots, and that's a perfect example of fans who always talk about how you can't understand or appreciate the music without being part of the culture. And frankly, they're probably right for the most part; in their case their music has a true culture to it. But as for metal in general, it's entirely possible to be a part of the music without participating in everything else, and so to me the two aren't one and the same.
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Budgy.
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To me metal (and every other genre/style for that matter), don't really have a 'spirit'. They're just types of music, nothing more.
Sigz, I respect your opinion and all but I have to say I disagree. Metal isn't just about the music. There is an entire sub-culture that goes along with it. It spans out across fan-bases, festivals and even some lifestyles. If you haven't already seen the documentary Metal:A Headbangers Journey, do so now. It sheds a massive amount of light on the concept of metal being a culture within itself.
I have seen it, and it's a fantastic movie, but I still don't buy that 'metal isn't just about the music'. Sure, there's some 'brotherhood' of metal fans and whatever bullshit, but in the end the entire sub-culture aspect of it is tertiary to the music. There's plenty of metal bands that have little to do with that culture, and there's plenty of metal fans (like myself) who really don't participate in it.
I know how much you love Maggots, and that's a perfect example of fans who always talk about how you can't understand or appreciate the music without being part of the culture. And frankly, they're probably right for the most part; in their case their music has a true culture to it. But as for metal in general, it's entirely possible to be a part of the music without participating in everything else, and so to me the two aren't one and the same.
Same, because I know some metal enthusiasts and it just comes of as lame to me. I choose not to take it as a culture either because it's just weird to be like that if you live in my family and if you want to be "normal". :lol
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I never said you HAD to be apart of the sub-culture. But I still personally acknowledge that it exists and is there.
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Using the analogy from above: If aliens asked me what metal was, I would play them Master of Puppets. So, by that logic, Metallica.
However, if the point of the thread so to name a band that symbolizes all that metal could be, then Opeth.
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This
Iron Maiden.
and this
Opeth
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Budgy.
I think it looks more like Budgie.
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yeah what the fuck ever man who even likes that band ;D
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Budgie is fucking amazing!
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lol
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Yes.
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I don't think one band can represent all of metal. :loser:
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I just thought of something interesting and I thought I would get your opinions. I was thinking to myself, "Which band just encompasses all that is metal?" Now, you have the answers that everyone would give like Maiden, Metallica, Priest, and Sabbath but I am trying to avoid those because I think that while they are most certainly metal, they don't seem to portray what metal has become and what it should be in the future. To me metal is just in your face music and after some thought, I have come up with a list that, to me, just makes up metal. (Note, this is not a "your favorite metal band" thread, because as you can see, despite my epic Metallica fanboism, I left them out) So...what about you guys?
Machine Head
Sepultura
Pantera
Of all of those, if I was to have a Martian listen to a song that just defined all that I thought was metal, I would probably play Davidian by Machine Head, Refuse/Resist by Sepultura(or Roots Bloody Roots, I really can't choose), or Cowboys from Hell by Pantera.
I mean...look at these!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvWQwOdYe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7qazLruC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFaE_ZyuQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFaE_ZyuQg
edit: OK!OK!OK!OK! I just have to add Metallica because I am a fucking fanboy and I caved!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEL6_SuQCu8 (I think this might be the only illegal one, if it is, please take it down)
:-[ You named Sepultura's ultra-shitty -core releases . . . haven't you ever heard their masterworks like Beneath the Remains? That record 1000x more represents what metal is than the stuff you posted. Does this entire generation think that the best in metal is dumbed-down 2-note chunk riffs with rap-metal vocals over the top of it :facepalm:?
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I just thought of something interesting and I thought I would get your opinions. I was thinking to myself, "Which band just encompasses all that is metal?" Now, you have the answers that everyone would give like Maiden, Metallica, Priest, and Sabbath but I am trying to avoid those because I think that while they are most certainly metal, they don't seem to portray what metal has become and what it should be in the future. To me metal is just in your face music and after some thought, I have come up with a list that, to me, just makes up metal. (Note, this is not a "your favorite metal band" thread, because as you can see, despite my epic Metallica fanboism, I left them out) So...what about you guys?
Machine Head
Sepultura
Pantera
Of all of those, if I was to have a Martian listen to a song that just defined all that I thought was metal, I would probably play Davidian by Machine Head, Refuse/Resist by Sepultura(or Roots Bloody Roots, I really can't choose), or Cowboys from Hell by Pantera.
I mean...look at these!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvWQwOdYe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7qazLruC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFaE_ZyuQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFaE_ZyuQg
edit: OK!OK!OK!OK! I just have to add Metallica because I am a fucking fanboy and I caved!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEL6_SuQCu8 (I think this might be the only illegal one, if it is, please take it down)
:-[ You named Sepultura's ultra-shitty -core releases . . . haven't you ever heard their masterworks like Beneath the Remains? That record 1000x more represents what metal is than the stuff you posted. Does this entire generation think that the best in metal is dumbed-down 2-note chunk riffs with rap-metal vocals over the top of it :facepalm:?
Rap metal is absolutely horrifying.
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:lol
Chaos AD and Roots are -core and rap metal. Ha. Ha. No.