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General => Archive => General Music Archives => Topic started by: Dr. DTVT on October 24, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
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Objective: To introduce me to new music (prog / prog metal / metal) that I like.
Format: Will consist of 8 or 10 players. Some players will be invited, remaining spots will be via application - NOT simply who asks to be in it first. The first 6 rounds will be similar to previous roulettes, players amass points. However, this will simply determine seeding for the finals. It will be similar to a single elimination format, but higher seeds get both more byes, and protected songs. The top seed gets an automatic pass to the final, the #2 seed is in the semi-final, #3 seed quarter-final, #4 seed gets a pass to the round before the quarterfinals, and the remaining lower seeds have to duke it out. I will explain the "protected song" advantage later when it gets to that time.
Application: I will be sending out invitations by PM. Invited players are ones who have demonstated through their posting that they have similar tastes, and can send songs I'm not familiar with regularly. Invited players do not need to apply, simply accept your invitation. So you know what I like and also to show you the large number of bands I will not accept due to familiarity, I will be quoting myself from the "entire discography" thread from a few months ago.
Alphabetical order (as listed by iTunes), bands with only one or two albums excluded for brevity:
Agalloch
Amon Amarth
Arena
Avantasia
Ayreon
Between the Buried and Me
Bigelf
Bruce Dickenson
Cairo
Children of Bodom
Chroma Key
Circle II Circle
Devin Townsend/DTP
Dominici
Dream Theater
Enchant
Eternity X
Evergrey
Faith No More
Frost*
Gojira
Haggard
Henning Pauly/Frameshift/Chain
Iced Earth
Iron Maiden
James LaBrie/Mullmuzzler
Jon Spencer Blues Explosion
Liquid Tension Experiment (included because I have the special box set)
Marillion
Megadeth
Metallica (except for St. Anger, but I refuse to acknowledge it exists)
Nevermore
Nightwish
OSI
Pain of Salvation
Pantera
Peter Gabriel
Redemption
Rhapsody (of Fire)
Riverside
Rush
Shadow Gallery
Sonata Arctica
Strapping Young Lad
Superior
Suspyre
Symphony X
The Tangent
Therion
Threshold
Tiles
Tony MacAlpine
Tool (I think)
Transatlantic
Vanishing Point
Wuthering Heights
Bands I plan on completing:
Amorphis
Blind Guardian
dredg
Fates Warning
Mystery
Opeth (need first album)
Royal Hunt
You don't want to know how long that list would be if I included one and two album stuff.
Anything on that list...don't even think of sending, and that list isn't exhaustive of what I own. Also, no classic rock. I already know that stuff forwards and backwards.
To apply, PM me the names of at least 10 bands that you would consider sending during the game - not individual songs. Feel free to send more than 10 if you would like, ands also feel free to justify your choices (you like band X, or the keyboard player also plays in this band you like, etc.) Upon receiving your application, I will also look at your posting history, and make decisions based on the application and posting history.
Invites will be sent out by the end of the day. I will be staggering mine with Antigoons so hopefully we can keep the grading days apart so our "dead times" don't coincide.
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Ooh, I want to be in this. I just want to be in someone's roulette!!
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Ooh, I want to be in this. I just want to be in someone's roulette!!
This.
Since I don't expect to be invited any time soon, I'll just have to hope that my application will be good enough :P
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Ooh, I want to be in this. I just want to be in someone's roulette!!
Then apply. I'm not accepting random people.
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Hm. You seem to be doing more of a league format. Mine's gonna be WAY more casual and I assume it'll end far sooner than yours does. Maybe coordination isn't necessary?
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Go at your own pace, and I'll try to stagger. You were technically first, so I'm defering to you.
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OK, cool. Are we waiting for Numbers' game to end before we start?
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Yeah, but I don't see the harm in wrangling up the players.
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Application sent.
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Yeah, but I don't see the harm in wrangling up the players.
Me either, I already did :p
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Application sent.
Don't expect to get accepted though. DTVT, do me a big favor and at least send a message saying no rather than leave me hanging. I didn't expect you to anyways, I just thought I'd ask nicely.
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It will be a few days until I start reviewing applications. I don't want to say no, then come back and say yes, or regret taking someone early. I will let everyone know either way though.
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Wow DTVT, I see a lot of crucial bands missing. :|
If I get accepted I'll be sure to change that! :tup
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Ok, thanks. I just don't know how fogey-like you are. I mean, is your niche prog because if it is, I could probably show you some classic classic stuff but I bet you would know it because you are just old enough to have lived with it...no offense.
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I ammended the original post to also exclude classic rock. I know that stuff to well, I just don't own most of it because I spent ages 8-19 listening to it back before iPods and the radio was the only choice in the car.
Wow DTVT, I see a lot of crucial bands missing. :|
You may have missed these two tidbits then:
"You don't want to know how long that list would be if I included one and two album stuff."
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"that list isn't exhaustive of what I own"
Apply and see what ya got. Also, invitations have been sent, and even if they all accept, there are still places available.
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I ammended the original post to also exclude classic rock. I know that stuff to well, I just don't own most of it because I spent ages 8-19 listening to it back before iPods and the radio was the only choice in the car.
Wow DTVT, I see a lot of crucial bands missing. :|
You may have missed these two tidbits then:
"You don't want to know how long that list would be if I included one and two album stuff."
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"that list isn't exhaustive of what I own"
Apply and see what ya got. Also, invitations have been sent, and even if they all accept, there are still places available.
Application sent.
But I was talking about things like a total lack of Black Sabbath and Judas Priest :lol
But oh well, hopefully I make the grade! :tup
Also, just remember, don't be surprised if a group of strippers come up to your house :neverusethis:
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I know Sabbath and Priest, I just don't own all their albums. They're classic IMO, been listening to them for ages. That list was long enough, if I started listing everything I knew I'd get carpal tunnel.
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Okay. I just sent my 10 band list based on what I didn't see on your list, since I don't know your exact taste. But anyway, hope it all works out in the end!
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Could I be on both roulettes?
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Can I be on both roulettes?
Yes, being in Antigoon's does not preclude you from mine...as long as you apply.
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Application sent.
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Application sent.
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Dude, I sent you another PM. Basically, forget about my application but please read this latest PM when you can.
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So I'm in then.(and need not apply?)
I think I replied in the affirmative.
I'll stay tuned for week one instructions.
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Yup, you're good Ytse.
I am still waiting to hear from 2 invitees, and then I can announce which applications I've chosen. I'll probably announce the first round by the end of the week.
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*Hands DTVT a 50 dollar bill*
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Where is it? I don't see any money. If you want to PayPal me some money... :biggrin:
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Where is it? I don't see any money. If you want to PayPal me some money... :biggrin:
Wait, you don't take monopoly money? :(
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Where is it? I don't see any money. If you want to PayPal me some money... :biggrin:
Wait, you don't take monopoly money? :(
Isn't McDonalds running its Monopoly game now?
As it stands, 4 invitations have been accepted, waiting on the last one. While I'd like to go to 10 players, it might be too unwieldy and may have to limit it to 8 players. I might take similar applications and let them tag team to get more people involved without increasing my listening workload.
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5th invite has been declined, so I will be accepting 4 applications. Deadline for applying is when I get home from work Wednesday, lets say 6 pm EST.
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I was going to send you a pm but then I saw that you were looking for (prog) metal. I kinda drifted away from the genre, so I don't think I have anything to offer there.
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On second thought...maybe it's the case for me too. Anyway, you'll see with the list I sent you! :tup
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I was going to send you a pm but then I saw that you were looking for (prog) metal. I kinda drifted away from the genre, so I don't think I have anything to offer there.
Well, I don't think it would hurt to introduce him to new music :tup
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I was going to send you a pm but then I saw that you were looking for (prog) metal. I kinda drifted away from the genre, so I don't think I have anything to offer there.
In loose terms I'm looking for prog, doesn't have to be metal. But I know I wouldn't enjoy things like electronica, ambient, house, country; and things that are too avant-garde have a very limited shelf life for me. I'm not expecting to get Dream Theater clones every round.
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I was going to send you a pm but then I saw that you were looking for (prog) metal. I kinda drifted away from the genre, so I don't think I have anything to offer there.
In loose terms I'm looking for prog, doesn't have to be metal. But I know I wouldn't enjoy things like electronica, ambient, house, country; and things that are too avant-garde have a very limited shelf life for me. I'm not expecting to get Dream Theater clones every round.
I started on a short list again, but didn't get much further than post-rock and singer/songwriter-esque stuff (with 1 or 2 metal bands in between). If you want that kind of stuff, I'll send a list as application - but I thought it might be a wasted effort since it's quite a stretch away from everything you have listed.
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goon's roulette is gonna be half over before this one even gets started
it's not a race or anything but this "Publishers Clearinghouse" application process is draggin on.
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Hey, DTVT, tell everyone TO BACK THE FUCK OFF
He can take as long as he wants, this is his contest, he'll do as he damn well pleases as long as he picks me to be included :neverusethis:
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If I change the timetable, am I no different than numbers? BTW, I know who the leaders in the club house are, so the first round submission begins tomorrow.
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........and round one theme is?
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Christ, give the man a chance people.
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Ok, so the players are (in no particular order):
Wolfking
YtseBitsySpider
SoundscapeMN
Sigz
Zantera
Gorille85
Portrucci
Seventh Son
As Antigoon suggested, if you can send me the song via link (via PM) for grooveshark, the artist's or their label's official youtube link, a band's offical myspace page, band's official website, or some other "official" channel, I can post direct links to the songs for everyone.
So, first round I'm going to call "Irrational Numbers", in honor of our instrumental hating brother Numbers - send an instrumental song! 48 hours for the first round, the remaining rounds will be 24 hours because I'm going to post all the round themes in a minute or two so you can plan ahead.
Good Luck!
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For your reference, future rounds:
Round 2: Standout vocal performance - you know, to counteract the instrumental you are about to send me.
Round 3: Lyrical content - a song whose lyrics are either very meaningful or very important to you
Round 4: Debut - basically an open round, but the song sent must be from the band's debut album (EP's and demos excluded)
Round 5: New release - again, another openish round, but the song must be from a bands most recent album that came out within the last 2 years
Round 6: Long song - shoot for 8 minutes +
The knockout stage will all be open rounds.
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Great! I was just wondering...my list is pretty much done for the 6 rounds so...Can I still send a song by a band in round 5 for example if someone sent a song by the same band on an earlier round?
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Same band - yes, same song - no...but that's not to say there might be diminshing returns.
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Same band - yes, same song - no...but that's not to say there might be diminshing returns.
Bien reçu! :tup
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There is a song I'd like to submit, but I can't find a super-legal version of the song. It's from a little known 1976 prog album, it's not on grooveshark and there certainly isn't a myspace :lol I do have an unofficial YT link. I personally don't think the band would mind, but it's up to you.
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There is a song I'd like to submit, but I can't find a super-legal version of the song. It's from a little known 1976 prog album, it's not on grooveshark and there certainly isn't a myspace :lol I do have an unofficial YT link. I personally don't think the band would mind, but it's up to you.
That's more than fine. If anyone else wants to listen to it, they just have to search for it on youtube. The first two people didn't send "official" links either...it just means I can't post the link without incurring the wrath of mods.
(https://filebox.vt.edu/users/mrouser/kirk_scream_mods.jpg)
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Ah I get ya :yarr PM sent
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Excellent, I have some planning to do tonight.
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I just realized that, according to your taste, I just took a big risk! :lol
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I just realized that, according to your taste, I just took a big risk! :lol
Was it Unexpect? :lol
I'll definitely be following this roulette, btw. DTVT has a great taste.
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I'll be honest, I actually feel quite nervous about this. i'm sorting through songs now to send. This is tricky. :lol
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PM sent. ;)
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I've just logged onto Grooveshark. This is unbelievable, you can just listen to any song ever in good quality, for free, amazing.
How are you guys deciding what to send so quickly, there's heaps I could send, but I'm conflicted.
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I've just logged onto Grooveshark. This is unbelievable, you can just listen to any song ever in good quality, for free, amazing.
How are you guys deciding what to send so quickly, there's heaps I could send, but I'm conflicted.
Gut feeling.
I'll have to go and get used to grooveshark then :lol
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Sent, though I'm not sure how it will fare.
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Sent. I took a risk myself as well, hopefully it will pay off.
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a tad risky..as most of my stuff is obscure.
I was hoping to send some magic elf, but youtube just has carl roa and only one m.e song...in the end I went with Maxxess and discovered he's released a new CD.(so bonus I get something too..if I can find it)
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I have submitted my song. I'd say it's pretty safe and DTVT may already know it. See how we go.
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I've heard of him, but I'm not familiar with his music, so its fine.
I have them all now - and I've listened to each of them except wolfking's which I won't do until I get home. I have the rest of them ranked, so I just need to find out where wolfking's is.
While I'm at it, I might as well post my scoring and seeding tie-breakers so they are listed before any scoring is done. There are 30 total points each round to be distributed between the 8 songs, with scores ranging from 1 to 6. I figured that on a 1-6 scale, 3.5 was average, so I multiplied that by the number of players (8), which gave 28, and added 2 more to get an round number. I think it will allow me to be more flexible in my scoring while not succumbing to a halo effect by limiting the number of points available.
Seeding tie-breakers:
1) Most rounds in first place (6 points earned)
2) Least rounds in last place (fewest points)
3) Score for round 6
4) Score for round 5 etc., until tie is broken.
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sounds good.
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I was bored during my meeting, and made the elimination bracket to pass the time.
(https://filebox.vt.edu/users/mrouser/bracket.jpg)
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Can't wait for the first batch of results :caffeine:
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Can't wait for the first batch of results :caffeine:
x2 :caffeine: I have a feeling someone would have sent the song I was initially going to send :azn:
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I am more anxious to see the broad array of music that we have all sent. It's gonna be interesting.
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Round 1 - Instrumental Song (If there is no link, find it on youtube)
6 points
SoundscapeMN - God Is An Astronaut - Zodiac: https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Zodiac/2sONS5
(https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Zodiac/2sONS5)
I realize this is the first song write-up most of you are reading, but if Ytse's song and Sigz song had a baby, Zodiac would be it. It's everything I liked about their two songs put togeter. I'm definately going to have to check some more out.
5 points
YtseBitsySpider - MAXXESS - DE-LAYED: This has everything I look for in a instumental: atmosphere, something that grabs my attention, all without smothering the music, and its mixed very well. There's nothing here to really complain about, and someone I'll be looking at getting in the future.
Sigz - Amesoeurs - Gas in Veins: https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Gas+in+Veins/1Zkkfz (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Gas+in+Veins/1Zkkfz)
I liked how this song made me feel a sense of urgency, like I should be in a hurry to go somewhere, yet the music itself isn't rushed or super fast. I felt like it is the soundtrack to an impending panic attack that's still internalized...frenzied, yet eerily subdued. I liked this song a little more each time I listened to it. Also, every time I try to come up with a pronunciation for that band name I come up with something different. Again, I'm seeing the worm and thinking about biting.
4 points
Portrucci - Ragnarok - Dagarnas Skum:
When I read Port's brief description of the song, "Beautiful instrumental prog/folk from 1976." This is pretty much what I had in mind. Very relaxing an enjoyable, reminds me of some of the stuff Veronika has sent out on Track of the Day. It doesn't try to take you anywhere, which is the opposite of the song Sigz sent, but still very enjoyable.
Wolfking - Jason Becker - Altitudes: https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=jason%20becker%20altitudes (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=jason%20becker%20altitudes)
You sent this because I'm a fellow Tony MacAlpine fan, and I can definately see the connection. It's a shame about Jason having ALS, I'm sure he could have given us much more. My only real complaint is that the guitar noodling is a little too upfront, as guitarist's solo albums tend to be. Much like Tony, I could really get into this when in the right mindset.
3 points
Zantera - Porcupine Tree - Mother and Child: https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Mother+and+Child+Divided/2g4fAl (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Mother+and+Child+Divided/2g4fAl)
Either you forgot I beat the drumhead for the "Porcupine Tree is overrated" crowd, or you tried to change my mind. Well, this song didn't change my mind. It wasn't very atmospheric, or attention grabbing, or anything noteworthy. It is average, and as such, gets an average score, whether its named Porcupine Tree or Dream Theater.
2 points
Seventh Son - Celtic Frost - Winter: It is very atmospheric and kind of hangs over your head, much like a Winter night, but in the end there just wasn't enough to this song for it to stand on its own. Like you said, it's part of a larger suite - also, I get the impression that this song is not representative of Celtic Frost as a whole, but it's mostly a bowed instrument over non-descript foreboding background. Not bad...but not really what I'm looking for in an instrumental either.
1 point
Gorille85 - Ulver - Hallways of Always: Something about this song just didn't click for me. A little too electronic, and some of the noises they used annoyed me more than added to the musical atmosphere. Then there's that record scratch thing in the middle of the song...so yeah, this song never really caught on for me. I kept waiting for this song to kick it up a notch while I was listening...but it never did.
Standings:
See above :hat
Round 2: Standout vocal performance. If I can get them by Sunday morning that would be great.
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Hmm interesting. I'll settle for 4 points. :laugh: I do disagree with you on Hallways of Always, which is one of my favourite songs...but if you are not into electronic I can see why it wouldn't appeal. Anyway, good write up!
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Wow, some interesting arists in there, many I've never heard of, I'll check them out later.
I'm happy with my ranking, I will send you my link in about 12 hours DTVT.
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Wow, some interesting arists in there, many I've never heard of, I'll check them out later.
I'm happy with my ranking, I will send you my link in about 12 hours DTVT.
Remember, you're 12 hours ahead of me, or so, so Sunday morning for me is Sunday night for you.
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Didn't expect that one to get me very far, but as I said before most instrumentals that I have are mostly interludes and not really fleshed out instrumentals. Eh, I could have thrown one of Slough Feg's instrumentals at you but I was hoping to save Slough Feg for later :biggrin:
And no, it really isn't representative of Celtic Frost's sound. Just listen to To Mega Therion and compare the two :lol
I'll have to decide on what the next song I send you will be....
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I have a feeling someone would have sent the song I was initially going to send :azn:
Oh for those playing at home, I was thinking of '$' by Cloudkicker. But I should have known Sigz would send his favourite Amesoeurs track :P
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Hmm...for me the record scratch thing is the climax of the song and pretty much the moment where the song "kick it up a notch" but whatever, to each his own! I was expecting to finish last when I read (after sending the song) that you didn't like electronic stuff that much. But that doesn't bother me too much, those games are for discovering new music and you knew what to unexpect when you picked me for your roulette. :tup
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Wow, some interesting arists in there, many I've never heard of, I'll check them out later.
I'm happy with my ranking, I will send you my link in about 12 hours DTVT.
Remember, you're 12 hours ahead of me, or so, so Sunday morning for me is Sunday night for you.
Oh yeah, I always forget that when I'm on here. I'll have it by Sunday night (my time) latest.
Definietely check the entire Perpetual Burn album by Jason, it's amazing. I kinda understand your comment about the noodling, but IMO it's so amazing I totally look past it. Here's another highlight from the same album.
https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=jason_becker_eleven
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I've made my choice here. The vocals to this song make me have to sing-along all the time, hopefully it has the same effect on you! I wanted to save these guys for later, but maybe I can get away with using them twice. :)
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PM sent.
I also suggest you take a look at the entire suite, its fucking amazing. The main meat of the suite is called "Synagoga Satanae" (or close to that), a 14 minute doom/stoner type epic, if you're into doom/stoner kind of riffs. But that's part of why I love CF, all their albums sound so different to me. From the straight up thrashiness of Morbid Tales to the polished and epic yet raw thrasher To Mega Therion to the highly experimental and weird Into The Pandemonium to the major comeback of Monotheist, each album has a distinct feel. They aren't the most technical, but for being a band associated with creating Black Metal they have showed that they aren't afraid to change their style and experiment. I love all of them (Well, I don't love Cold Lake but that's Celtic Frost's St. Anger so no one talks about Cold Lake) and definitely recommend them to anyone. :)
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PM sent.
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I'm fine with 3 points in the first round tbh, i've thought about this next round for a bit and decided to take a somewhat big risk.
PM sent. ;)
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Sent. Another huge risk, but it's one of my favorite vocal performances ever, so yeah.
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My song has been sent. I had to send it because I love it so much, but might not be what DTVT is after. I stand by my choice though.
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DTVT, I just noticed Vanishing Point on your list. :tup Amazing Aussie melodic rock. Embrace the Silence is probably one of my top 15 albums of all time. Perfect cd from beginning to end.
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It might be a couple days to get these written up. Work today and every day this week, Steelers game tonight, Nick's show Monday night, and I have to get some stuff graded by Tuesday.
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no problem :tup
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It might be a couple days to get these written up. Work today and every day this week, Steelers game tonight, Nick's show Monday night, and I have to get some stuff graded by Tuesday.
No stress bro, you gotta do what you gotta do. :tup
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OK, before you read the results, I have to say scoring these songs was so freaking hard. All of you are sending me some really awesome stuff, just look what I wrote about the last place song for this round.
Round 2 - Vocal Performance
6 points
YtseBitsySpider - Queensryche - Someone Else? (youtube) - What can I say, I'm a sucker for Geoff Tate, and I only have two Queensryche albums. One of my least favorite criticisms of a singer is, "He sounds like Geoff Tate." WTF is wrong with that? Nothing I say. If this were an open round, this song would have been lower (don't get me wrong, I liked the song, but this round was tough), but being the "vocal performance" round, but Geoff brought his A game to this ballad.
5 points
SoundscapeMN - The Dear Hunter - His Hands Matched His Tongue https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=His%20Hands%20Matched%20His%20Tongue (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=His%20Hands%20Matched%20His%20Tongue) - This song reminded me of the Radiohead song "Let Down" - in a very good way. These two The Dear Hunter songs have me very excited for the albums which I ordered before this round (I hadn't heard these songs before, which is why I accepted them)
Portrucci - The Dear Hunter - What It Means To Be Alone https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/What+It+Means+To+Be+Alone/2g8kAO
(https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/What+It+Means+To+Be+Alone/2g8kAO) - Well, the same singer, so these songs figured to be near each other, right? I'm starting to get a Thom Yorke feel to Casey Crescenzo's voice, which I definately dig.
4 points
Sigz - Battle of Mice - Sleep and Dream https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Crying/2ToTzZ (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Crying/2ToTzZ) - Well, this is certainly...interesting. This is my first exposure to this band and singer, Julie Christmas (is she married to Lloyd Christmas?) The "whisper-singing" (that's what I'm calling it) contrasting with Julie's few screams, in addition to her regular singing, worked really well and showcased her talent. I had this song as high as 3rd place and as low as last place in this round, so I'm not really sure how I feel about this song even after six listens, and the tightness of this round makes these rankings somewhat fluid, so it's here for now.
Wolfking - Beyond Twilight - Crying https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Crying/2ToTzZ (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/Crying/2ToTzZ) - When I saw that I was sent Jorn Lande in addtion to Geoff, Casey, and Mike Patton (see below), I knew I created a horrible monster in trying to score these songs. Jorn delivers the soaring powerful vocals he's known for here. I really need to get around to checking out his bands stuff though.
3 points
Gorille85 - Mr. Bungle - Squeeze Me Macaroni (youtube) - Mike Patton...another talented guy in his own right. Rather than relying on range (Geoff), or expression (Casey Crescenzo), speed and inflection are Mike's tools. While the song itself might be the least favorite of the ones sent this round, the first 4 minutes are a showcase of Mike's talents. The Faith No More fan in me just went upside my head with a tire iron for placing this so low...
2 points
Zantera - Ulver - EOS https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/EOS/2uw6NB (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/s/EOS/2uw6NB) - The thing I liked about this song was the lower register vocals. A vast improvement over the Ulver song I was sent last round, and the vocals have everything to do with it. I don't know how often I could make it though an entire album of this stuff though, musically speaking. I just don't go for this slow atmospheric stuff.
1 point
Seventh Son - High Passage/Low Passage (youtube)- I really liked this song...I mean I REALLY liked this song. If this was an open round, it might have won. I'll definitly look into get one of their albums next time I make a CD order, but as far as actual vocal performance...this song just ran into flying buzzsaws this round. They vocal performance wasn't bad in any way, shape, or form...it just wasn't the showcase of the song. I feel aweful that I have to give one point though...I mean I REALLY liked this song. I was originally going to give it 2 points, but I couldn't figure which song to take a point from. I even considered taking half a point off of two songs.
**NEW ADDITION**
Just for shits and giggles, I'm going to start posting the song I would have sent had I been playing, just to kind of return the favor and maybe turn you on to a band I like. Here is a song from the new Therion album, Sitra Ahra, the song is Unguentum Sabbati https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Unguentum Sabbati (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Unguentum Sabbati) I don't know how to post the direct link to the song, so I just put the search in.
After 2 rounds:
SoundscapeMN & YtseBitsySpider - 11
Sigz & Portrucci- 9
Wolfking -8
Zantera - 5
Gorille85 - 4
Seventh Son - 3
Still plenty of time for a comeback.
Round 3: Lyrical content - a song whose lyrics are either very meaningful or very important to you
Looking forward to your next submissions!
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Cool stuff. I have never listened to the Deer Hunter but with two submissions, I will listen to these later.
When should the next songs be in DTVT? I am lost on the next round. I hardly ever pay attention to lyrics, and songs with lyrics that I do like are an ultimate cheese fest! :lol
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If I have them in 48 hours I can probably score it this weekend.
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wow,, glad you're digging those tunes. I imagine it is hard to rank these. I'm going to have to check out many of the submissions. I guess if I end up doing 1 of these, I definitely will do my scoring/ranking differently. Kind of like rym I suppose. There is no 1st/2nd/3rd. just 1 through 5. Every submission could receive a 5 or a 1 possibly every round.
The lyrical round: I need to rethink about them being *personal* to me I guess (I was just thinking impressive/moving lyrics in general).
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If I have them in 48 hours I can probably score it this weekend.
2 days from now is good for me.
Also DTVT, will you take the music and vocal delivery into consideration for this round. Or you will soley base it on lyrical content?
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PM sent. :)
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Really wasn't expecting it to be scored that high, but glad you liked it :metal
This next round is gonna be really hard though; there are very few songs whose lyrics I even pay attention to, let alone have some kind of attachment to.
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Sleep and Dream is my favourite BoM song :metal
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sneaky, did you see: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=14959.0 ?
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Hmm....not too much from Queensryche as excited me for years now...glad you liked that one.
I think I know what you'll get this round.
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PM sent. :)
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I have no fucking idea what to send! :lol
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Also DTVT, will you take the music and vocal delivery into consideration for this round. Or you will soley base it on lyrical content?
I take the whole package into consideration, but the main focus is the lyrical content. The music itself would be kind of like a tiebreaker.
I guess if I end up doing 1 of these, I definitely will do my scoring/ranking differently. Kind of like rym I suppose. There is no 1st/2nd/3rd. just 1 through 5. Every submission could receive a 5 or a 1 possibly every round.
This round really made me consider doing that, I thought about going with three 5's, two 4's, and three 3's for this round; but I ultimately could draw all those deliniations and I don't want to end up with a logjam after 6 rounds score wise, so for the sake of the roulette I spread them out.
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1 point
Seventh Son - High Passage/Low Passage (youtube)- I really liked this song...I mean I REALLY liked this song. If this was an open round, it might have won. I'll definitly look into get one of their albums next time I make a CD order, but as far as actual vocal performance...this song just ran into flying buzzsaws this round. They vocal performance wasn't bad in any way, shape, or form...it just wasn't the showcase of the song. I feel aweful that I have to give one point though...I mean I REALLY liked this song. I was originally going to give it 2 points, but I couldn't figure which song to take a point from. I even considered taking half a point off of two songs.
Its fine, I'm just a major Mike Scalzi fanboy and I love damn near anything the man sings to death :lol
If you're interested in a CD to pick up, you should start with Traveler (The album that song was from), and then try other stuff like Hardworlder and Down Among the Deadmen or Ape Uprising when you can get the cash!
Glad you love them though, I've been trying to get DTF into them for a while :lol
As for Round 3, I"m not a huge lyrics guy, but I do think I have a song with some really awesome lyrics. I'll let you be the judge though. ;)
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Also, PM sent. Hope you like it!
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Fucking shit this is hard. I'm having trouble coming up with a single song whose lyrics are actually important to me in some way, let alone one I think DTVT would actually like.
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I can send you mine if you'd like to know what you need to beat.
;)
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I don't really connect to the lyrics that I sent, but I think they're still beautiful in a poetic sense. I don't need to connect to lyrics to recognize when they are well written ;)
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Fucking shit this is hard. I'm having trouble coming up with a single song whose lyrics are actually important to me in some way, let alone one I think DTVT would actually like.
this :lol
I was literally slowly scrolling though my library remembering if the lyrics stood out of any album and I just couldn't think of any in particular. Music always was more powerful to me then lyrics. And the lyrics I do actually really like, make almost no sense or have little depth. I may be last this round :lolpalm:
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Wow, I seem to be the only one confident this round :lol
I'm sitting in last place though, so I kind of need a big boost from this round :sadpanda:
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Fucking shit this is hard. I'm having trouble coming up with a single song whose lyrics are actually important to me in some way, let alone one I think DTVT would actually like.
this :lol
I was literally slowly scrolling though my library remembering if the lyrics stood out of any album and I just couldn't think of any in particular. Music always was more powerful to me then lyrics. And the lyrics I do actually really like, make almost no sense or have little depth. I may be last this round :lolpalm:
All of this. I have a bad feeling I'll be receiving 1 point. :facepalm:
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There is a lot of song I connect to lyrically so I just chose the one that I thought DTVT would like to dance his ass off to.
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I think I may have accidentily deleted one of your songs. I have songs from:
Ytse
Gorille85
Zantera
Seventh Son
Portrucci
if you sent me a song and you're name isn't above, please re-send it.
Sorry if I actually did delete your PM, I was trying to delete a non-roulette related PM.
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PM sent.
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bump so this won't fall further!
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You know....I got pretty pissy in number's roullette (I really should appologize for that) and I'm just not going to get that way with this one.
He'll get to it, when he gets to it.
And
We have all the themes in advance so really we could send all the songs at once and come back in a month and see what happened.
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Well, I was just bumping it so it wouldn't fall any further, I wasn't rushing him :lol
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..no...I know..sorry...I should have said I was just sorta talking to myself mostly with that last one.
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Talking to yourself...on the Internet.
Thats a new one.
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I'm trying to keep up. I got all the songs in, and my original plan was to do the second listens in tonight, and write-up tomorrow night, but my plans were kind of changed. One of the former members in my group came down from NY to defend his Masters thesis, and he was originally going to stay with another guy in our group, but he got sick so the guy from NY has stayed with me the last two nights, and probably will throughout the weekend until Tuesday morning - so I don't know when I'll get to these. I don't want to tell him, "I need to listen to music for a message board. You're on your own."
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Don't worry, take your time. :tup
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I'm trying to keep up. I got all the songs in, and my original plan was to do the second listens in tonight, and write-up tomorrow night, but my plans were kind of changed. One of the former members in my group came down from NY to defend his Masters thesis, and he was originally going to stay with another guy in our group, but he got sick so the guy from NY has stayed with me the last two nights, and probably will throughout the weekend until Tuesday morning - so I don't know when I'll get to these. I don't want to tell him, "I need to listen to music for a message board. You're on your own."
And to think we were actually important to you. :'(
Joking, joking. Take your time mate, it's all okay, you are allowed to have a life. I haven't got any songs planned for the next round anyway so don't stress.
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This fell to the 2nd page?
NOT ANYMORE BITCHES
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Giving this yet another bump.
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The thread doesn't need bumped. I had a houseguest for almost a week, which was unexpected on my part because he was originally was supposed to stay at someone else's place. I haven't forgotten, I've just been busy. If I could download the songs and put them on my iPod, this would be easy as I could have listened at work and in my car to and from work. However, at 8 songs x 5 minutes x at least 3 listens, it requires about 2 hours of time in front of my computer - something I didn't have with a guest staying at my place...not to mention the backload of work it created for me. I'm sorry, but friends and work come before roulette.
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It can get overwhelming, I know the feelng
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Well I just don't like seeing this all the way on page 2 :(
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The thread doesn't need bumped. I had a houseguest for almost a week, which was unexpected on my part because he was originally was supposed to stay at someone else's place. I haven't forgotten, I've just been busy. If I could download the songs and put them on my iPod, this would be easy as I could have listened at work and in my car to and from work. However, at 8 songs x 5 minutes x at least 3 listens, it requires about 2 hours of time in front of my computer - something I didn't have with a guest staying at my place...not to mention the backload of work it created for me. I'm sorry, but friends and work come before roulette.
I don't think he was bumping it to hurry you up.
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Round 3 - Lyrical Content
Well, everyone thinks they are going to do poorly this round. Somebody has to win it, so lets see who did.
6 points
SoundScapeMN - Kevin Gilbert - Certifiable #1 Smash - Some songs deal in subtlety and open interpretation...this isn't one of them. However, the bash your brains in sarcasm in this song is all kinds of awesome. It's about selling out musically to make it big. Ok...I can't relate to that, but the song probably resonates so strongly with me because of my very negative view of mainstream music. Got to love the mocking of Madonna's "Like A Prayer" video. To be fair, I've recently got into Kevin Gilbert, but I haven't found a copy of this album yet, but it's only a matter of time.
YtseBitsySpider - Pink Floyd - Coming Back to Life - I'll admit to being very unknowledgeable about Floyd. I'm familiar with DSotM, a handful of songs here and there (One of These Days is one of my favorite instrumentals). The version I was sent was from their Pulse live album, which once upon a time I had listened to a few times as my dad owned it. I don't remember this song from when I was a teen, but now I really got the itch to go track down Pulse on DVD. Don't know why I never gave them serious treatment, and maybe it's time I did...this song certainly is making a strong case for it. This song seems to be about regret, something I think we can all relate to. Like how I'm regretting not making a stronger effort to introduce myself to PF all these years. Bravo Ytse, you know how to play this game. It's worth putting up with your complaining :)
5 points
Portrucci - Muse - Take a Bow - Alright...another one of those bands that have never "broken through" for me. Well, this is by far the best song I've heard from them. Angry without being heavy or screaming, it's catchy and interesting enough to keep my attention on the song. Guess its time to take them off the bands I've written off, they can Take a Bow, I'll give them another chance even though I don't like some of the noise included in the song.
4 points
Zantera - Anathema - Universal - I have some experience with Anathema, owning two of their earlier albums. Lyrically, I like the open-endedness. Zantera told me why he chose this song, and I definitely see his point of view - but not having been through what he went through, I interpreted the lyrics not through the lens of loss, but of one of excitement and anticipation, maybe because I didn't get a gloomy feel from the song. Either way, its always great when room for your POV is in a song. I also liked it musically, not as much as I liked most of the stuff on Alternative 4, but enough to consider checking out their new album at some point down the road
3 points
Seventh Son - Cormorant - Sky Burial - So this is new all around, though according to SS not representative of their body of work. While the lyrics are nothing profound, they are well versed and at not based on a well known tale. Musically, I was really digging this. The biggest complaint is that sometimes the vocals aren't as up front in the mix as they should be. Really a minor complaint. Again, SS sent me something I really like, but its coming up short basically because it doesn't really fit the round theme well.
Wolfking - Gary Moore - Empty Rooms - Since I wasn't given a link for a specific version of this song, I chose the one on the Ballads & Blues album...don't know if the other versions are the same or not. Anywho...for a ballad, this ain't bad. The song itself is about being heart broken...something I'm not really familiar with, but even without that, it's still soulful and very enjoyable.
2 points
Sigz - Modest Mouse - Bukowski - I've heard of this band for years, but for some reason thought they were an electronic band. Glad they aren't :lol Well, the song isn't really about Charles Bukowski, as much as it seems to be about questioning existence, notably your own, so the song does well for the round theme. While I didn't dislike the song, at the same time I don't know how well I could make it through an entire CD of similar material.
1 point
Gorille85 - Thrice - Daedalus - Thrice is one of those bands I've heard everyone talk about, but couldn't get into what I heard of it, so I was hoping someone would send me a track just incase I was picking the wrong tracks at random. Lyrically, it's just a retelling of the story of Daedalus and Icarus. Nothing terribly new or interesting there - Iron Maiden went there almost 30 years ago. Musically, it wasn't bad, just not very interesting...nothing that's wetting my appetite for more Thrice. I'll stick with rice.
After 3 rounds:
SoundscapeMN & YtseBitsySpider - 17
Portrucci- 14
Wolfking - 11
Sigz - 10
Zantera - 9
Seventh Son - 6
Gorille85 - 5
Just as an aside - I don't look at who sent me what when I listen - I just load up all 8 songs and listen to them in a random order - and put names next to them after I do the bulk of the write-ups. With the brackets, no one is eliminated.
Round 4: Debut - basically an open round, but the song sent must be from the band's debut album (EP's and demos excluded)
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I thought the lyrics were pretty awesome :|
Maybe we have different opinions on what makes good and bad lyricism then. :lol
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Good write ups all around :tup Quite happy with the 5 points actually :coolio Muse is a really interesting band, but I do admit they have a lot of 'meh' songs. BH&R is probably my favourite LP of theirs, check out Map of The Problematique and Knights of Cydonia if you want another taste.
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1 point
Gorille85 - Thrice - Daedalus
I, uhhh... :|
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I thought the lyrics were pretty awesome :|
Maybe we have different opinions on what makes good and bad lyricism then. :lol
Your song's lyrics weren't bad. Have you listened to Certifiable #1 Smash? Great social commentary masked in humor or the other way around. Very relateable.
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Sorry dude, I was sure that I linked it from Grooveshark. ???
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1 point
Gorille85 - Thrice - Daedalus
I, uhhh... :|
Even if it wasn't the worst song, they were clearly the least inspired and least relatable lyrics. You're crushing my opinion and I know you haven't had time to hear the other 7 songs.
Sorry dude, I was sure that I linked it from Grooveshark. ???
You linked the search for the song, but not a singular selection. Don't feel bad, I couldn't figure it out when I was in Orcus's roulette :lol
Was it the wrong version of the song Wolfking?
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I thought the lyrics were pretty awesome :|
Maybe we have different opinions on what makes good and bad lyricism then. :lol
Your song's lyrics weren't bad. Have you listened to Certifiable #1 Smash? Great social commentary masked in humor or the other way around. Very relateable.
Hmmm, well for me when it comes to lyrics I don't really care about relating. Its how the words flow into the song. I compare the atmosphere and texture that the music and the lyrics themselves give off, and if they complement each other. I want the two (Music and lyrics) to be a single entity, to make each other better. To me that is what makes good lyrics, but not a lot of bands tend to do that for me :lol
But I have an odd opinion regarding lyrics I guess so *Shrug*
Also, DTVT, I think I should mention that Cormorant is the kind of band that there really isn't one song that defines their body of work. A lot of the songs on Metazoa seem to be really varied to me, too much for one to represent it as a whole.
https://www.metal-archives.com/viewlyrics.php?id=1602359
Lyrics to the song I sent, if anyone wants to read them.
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1 point
Gorille85 - Thrice - Daedalus
I, uhhh... :|
Even if it wasn't the worst song, they were clearly the least inspired and least relatable lyrics. You're crushing my opinion and I know you haven't had time to hear the other 7 songs.
Sorry dude, I was sure that I linked it from Grooveshark. ???
You linked the search for the song, but not a singular selection. Don't feel bad, I couldn't figure it out when I was in Orcus's roulette :lol
Was it the wrong version of the song Wolfking?
I don't know to be honest. I'll have a listen when I go home, the versions don't differ too much, but if it's the approx 4:15 version that's the best one. The others which are 6 minutes just have an extended solo which is cool, but the radio version does the job and has the best vocals from Gary.
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I'm mostly rambling, but I really want to elaborate on what I mean by what I like to see in lyrics. Take Dream Theater. Most of their lyrics are "meh" to me, they don't really give a strong sense of atmosphere most of the time. They're serviceable, they work for what DT does, but not my cup of tea most of the time. There are a few exceptions though, songs like Scarred, Lines in the Sand, Voices all have great lyrics. The funny thing is, a lot of those songs have heavy religious symbolism too (And anyone that knows me knows I'm not religious either), but they just happen to create an aura and atmosphere that matches the music so much. I can't really relate to stuff like that, not sharing the same religious beliefs but I still think songs like that have great lyrics!
So I'm not of the opinion that you have to relate to it for the lyrics to be great/amazing, but its your survivor man. Just felt like babbling on about something silly :P
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I'm really doing an horrible job in these roulettes lately...
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2 points
Sigz - Modest Mouse - Bukowski - I've heard of this band for years, but for some reason thought they were an electronic band. Glad they aren't :lol Well, the song isn't really about Charles Bukowski, as much as it seems to be about questioning existence, notably your own, so the song does well for the round theme. While I didn't dislike the song, at the same time I don't know how well I could make it through an entire CD of similar material.
fucking WHAT
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(next rounds) PM sent
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interesting, I submit a song from Kevin Gilbert's The Shaming of the True in both this Roulette and in antigoon's and I ended up with the exact opposite ranking. Although ranking schmanking, the biggest thing for me as a music fan is to suggest music worth hearing. And the more people hear Kevin Gilbert's music, the better in my mind, no matter how much they care for it.
"Smash!" or "Certifiable #1 Smash!" as it is known, is Kevin maybe at his most brutally honest metaphorically, yet still profound. I've always found the words standout even more than the crazy twists the music takes in that track. It's almost him doing rap in a way, which who knows if that would have been something he could have done more of, but I think on that one he found his voice so-to-speak.
"America's having a blowout sale".."me and my accountant are so happy"
I'll have to check out a few of others now as well (I know the Floyd and Muse tunes already though).
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PM sent
:sadpanda:
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PM sent. :)
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I have been so busy with work I haven't even started thinking about this round. DTVT, when's the latest PM's can be sent??
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Ideally I was hoping to have them before Saturday night because that was my first planned listening period. I will be in the lab Sunday afternoon, and watching the Steelers (American football) Sunday night. It's a pretty open round, just think of some bands you like, and send your favorite song from their debut.
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Hopefully I'll do better this time around :lol
PM sent!
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I really do complain alot.
And then appologize for it.
Im not trying to be dismissive in sending all my tracks ahead of time, in stead I think it will spare you some bitching from my end. I'll just pop in and check see how my songs did when I see the results are up.
glad you liked the PF song....it certainly is about regret...and anger.....as in...where were you...when I needed you the most.......and the singer is coming back...without whomever let him down. Good stuff. PF always get you thinkin.
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@DTVT: Kansas was writing about Icarus before Maiden was. So what? Daedalus is one of the most powerful, emotional, and epic songs ever. You fail and stuff.
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To me, the lyrics are about someone that only wished a better life for his son/a person he love. And in the process of making a move to make things better, he lose this person the most and I find that to be extremly sad. The way he sings it and with the music etc I thought it would be a good choice.
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I can understand where DTVT's coming with Daedalus. What makes it great is the delivery, not the lyrics themselves.
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I can understand where DTVT's coming with Daedalus. What makes it great is the delivery, not the lyrics themselves.
Thank you. You guys remember the shit we gave numbers when he had Opeth win a "classic" round over early Rush, George Thorogood, Thin Lizzy, early Maiden, the Stones, etc.? Not happening here.
And to be fair to myself, Daedalus would have been at or near the bottom if this round was open scoring.
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I can understand where DTVT's coming with Daedalus. What makes it great is the delivery, not the lyrics themselves.
Thank you. You guys remember the shit we gave numbers when he had Opeth win a "classic" round over early Rush, George Thorogood, Thin Lizzy, early Maiden, the Stones, etc.? Not happening here.
And to be fair to myself, Daedalus would have been at or near the bottom if this round was open scoring.
I still wish I had known beforehand what you considered good lyrics :P
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Whatever, it's your roulette. :tup
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Something I think you and all future roulette should do: When you post the results of a round please say at the top what the theme was so I don't have to search through pages of previous posts to find it.
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That's a good idea...you should post that in the general roulette thread as well. I'll try to remember to do that.
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Round 4 - Debut Album
This round was hard, because aside from one song, they were all enjoyable to some extent, which is why I skipped 2 point songs this round.
6 points
Gorille85 - Stolen Babies - Push Button - The first thing I thought of when I heard this was a more accessible Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, a band with obvious genius that often eludes my interest. Thankfully, this song reminded me of all the reasons I enjoy Sleepytime, and none of the reasons I struggle with them sometimes. Good call, I quite enjoyed that, and at the same time it was somewhat outside of my stated interests. Fortune favors the bold (sometimes...see below)
5 points
Sigz - Giant Squid - Neonate - Love the band name. Also really liked the song...it has a disjointed, frantic feel without using speed, the usual vehicle for "frantic" in music. Love the piano part at the end as well. Another band I'm going to add to "buy if I find" list I keep on my Blackberry.
YtseBitsySpider - Cloudscape - Every Day Is Up To You - I'm not sure if I recall ever hearing of this band before, so it's a shame there hasn't been much discussion about them. Pretty much straight up my alley prog metal, so I'm just lappin' this up. Add another band I'm going to check out.
4 points
Wolfking - Queensryche - Take Hold of the Flame - Geoff Tate rocks. I knew that. This song just reminded me I have to go back and pick up this album. I said earlier in the thread that there might be diminishing returns on repeat bands, and that's the only reason I'm scoring it this low. Got to reward the people who went outside the box. This is why I'm going to implement the new rule below.
3 points
SoundscapeMN - Pure Reason Revolution - Golden Clothes - I really liked the instrumental first minute. This song reminds me in an indirect way of PoS's "Used" - in that parts of it were preventing me from enjoying the song as a whole when I first heard it. I've grown to love "Used", and I think I could grow to love this song. I really enjoy the mixture of male and female vocals, but I don't like when they overprocess them and get that stuttering effect, and it gets a little too electronic for my taste in the middle of the song. I also think it's weird that PRR has essentially 3 different debut records, depending on where in the world you live.
Seventh Son - Candlemass - Solitude - Is that Locrian in the beginning? That really set the mood for this song. The creepiness is heaped on more because it sounds like its being played on a warped record that is revolving one or two rpm slower at times. The only glaring weakness is the singer, he's not bad, but I've heard much better.
Zantera - Pure Reason Revolution - Apprentice of the Universe - The song itself was rather enjoyable minus the "bleepy bloop" stuff at the beginning, and the 30 seconds of noise at the end of the track. The middle part is rather enjoyable though, a nice relaxed groove.
1 point
Portrucci - Neu! - Negativland - While I appriciate being sent something I haven't been exposed to before, this seems to represent two areas of music I've never really been able to get into, electronic and krautrock. There's just not enough meat on this bone for me. Sure, it makes a nice stock, but most people don't want stock, they want the hearty soup. Soup me.
After 4 rounds:
YtseBitsySpider - 22
SoundscapeMN - 20
Portrucci- 15
Wolfking - 15
Sigz - 15
Zantera - 12
Gorille85 - 11
Seventh Son - 9
New rule: If a band places a song with 4 points or more in a round, it's done for the roulette. I'm looking for as many new bands as possible, but I don't mind getting two of the same band in the same round, or getting another song from a band I scored low previously if you feel like I need to re-evaluate them.
Round 5 - New release - again, another openish round, but the song must be from a bands most recent album that came out within the last 2 years.
Bands no longer accepted:
God Is an Astronaut
Maxxess
Amesoeurs
Ragnarok
Jason Becker
Queensryche
The Dear Hunter (now own these anyway)
Battle of Mice
Beyond Twilight
Kevin Gilbert
Pink Floyd
Muse
Anathema
Stolen Babies
Giant Squid
Cloudscape
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Probably my favourite song of all time gets 1 point :lol I guess that's what makes music interesting, there is so much variety and everyone is going to experience it differently. I admit that choice was probably a too ambitious on my part. The rest I send won't be so weird :lol. I didn't really get what you meant by the write up, but I always appreciate you taking the time to do these rounds. :tup :tup
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Probably my favourite song of all time gets 1 point :lol I guess that's what makes music interesting, there is so much variety and everyone is going to experience it differently. I admit that choice was probably a too ambitious on my part. The rest I send won't be so weird :lol. I didn't really get what you meant by the write up, but I always appreciate you taking the time to do these rounds. :tup :tup
I guess I just would have liked more going on in the music to keep my interest. Like you said in your PM, they use repetition, which is fine if you can make variations to the theme, but it was too repetitive for me. I appriciate the fact that you went a different direction. That's how I find new stuff to like. New directions are paying off for Sigz. This just didn't quite do it for me. Don't let one bad round discourage you...you did get me hooked on Agalloch last year :tup
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YES!! :tup
That's what I wanted to do with those roulettes: Taking risks and exposed people to genres that they're maybe not familiar with. It's fine if I don't win or whatever. Anyway, I'm glad you liked the song. :)
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I guess I just would have liked more going on in the music to keep my interest. Like you said in your PM, they use repetition, which is fine if you can make variations to the theme, but it was too repetitive for me. I appriciate the fact that you went a different direction. That's how I find new stuff to like. New directions are paying off for Sigz. This just didn't quite do it for me. Don't let one bad round discourage you...you did get me hooked on Agalloch last year :tup
No probs ;D They are a pretty "love it or hate" type band. I also have a good idea of what I want to send next round. PM incoming shortly :)
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I forgot to do this for the last round, but the songs I would have submitted if I was playing:
Round 3: Lyrical content - Redemption - The Fullness of Time IV: Transcendence https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Redemption The Fullness of Time IV (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Redemption The Fullness of Time IV)
Round 4: Debut: Threshold - Paradox https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Threshold Paradox (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Threshold Paradox)
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just to clarify, are songs from EPs eligible or not for this current round?
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Wow, I'm sitting pretty right in the middle for all these rounds :lol
I understand the beef with recycling bands. Honestly work has been crazy and I don't have a lot of time to sit down and think of something obscure to dish out. To be honest, I'm kind of intimidated by some of you guys and your band choices, I'm so plain and generic with my choices and really don't listen to anything obscure that DTVT already knows, I just like standard metal and basic prog that DTVT already knows.
I forgot to do this for the last round, but the songs I would have submitted if I was playing:
Round 3: Lyrical content - Redemption - The Fullness of Time IV: Transcendence https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Redemption The Fullness of Time IV (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Redemption The Fullness of Time IV)
Round 4: Debut: Threshold - Paradox https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Threshold Paradox (https://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/songs/?query=Threshold Paradox)
Redemption are an amazing band.
Threshold are one of the most underrated prog bands ever, I love them, it's a shame they are not talked about much at all, they really are one of my favs. Extinct Instinct is an amazing album!!!
Also, I have to check out some more Cloudscape. Mike Anderrson has an excellent voice.
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PM sent!
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Again, I have no clue on what I'm gonna send. :lol
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DTVT, can I send a song that's like 2 years and 1 month old....please??
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PM sent!
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PM sent!
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Glad you like the Cloudscape............funny I thought about sending you Threshold but they're pretty well known...and I think in one of your write ups you said "not too poppy" which alot of Threshold can get. (Oh I quite enjoy them too)
I guess we're considering Take Hold of The Flame to be on the debut album, or the Queen of the Reich as an EP....great song...just wondering.
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I was hoping you'd like Candlemass more :sadpanda:
Oh well. PM sent.
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Huzzah for Giant Squid and Stolen Babies! :laugh:
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Giant Squid fucking rules.
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just to clarify, are songs from EPs eligible or not for this current round?
Just for the Debut round. Now EPs are fair play. For example, Pain of Salvation released Road Salt One this year, and released an EP about a year ago. I would consider both fair play for this round since the EP isn't really an album - except for the fact I already have them.
DTVT, can I send a song that's like 2 years and 1 month old....please??
As long as it's their most recent album that's fine. I just didn't want something like Enchant where their most recent album is 7 years old (COME ON GUYS!!!), or some band that quit 20 years ago and therefore not recording anymore.
I was hoping you'd like Candlemass more :sadpanda:
It's not that I didn't like it...that's why I didn't make any 2 point songs. But the pie is only so big.
And Ytse, I said EPs don't count as Debut albums, so wolfking's song was fair play. I checked everyones, that's how I knew there were 3 different versions of PRR's.
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Glad you like the Cloudscape............funny I thought about sending you Threshold but they're pretty well known...and I think in one of your write ups you said "not too poppy" which alot of Threshold can get. (Oh I quite enjoy them too)
I guess we're considering Take Hold of The Flame to be on the debut album, or the Queen of the Reich as an EP....great song...just wondering.
Mike Andersson is amazing.
Yeah, I considered Lady Wore Black or something from the EP than remembered that DTVT wanted debut album only. I was gonna send prophecy but that wasn't on the original album, only on the reissue.
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PM Sent.
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I LOVE Mike Anderson's voice..and singing style....I've followed him to a couple other side projects as well.
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I LOVE Mike Anderson's voice..and singing style....I've followed him to a couple other side projects as well.
Did you happen to check out the Planet Alliance project?
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but of course!
:)
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but of course!
:)
Excellent, that was an amazing album, I have spun that so many times. Such a great lineup and wonderful songs all the way through. Magnus Karlsson is the highlight for me, his guitar work really is incredible. I was also surprised how well Mattias' leads fitted in, since he has such a unique and obscure style. Carl and Janne are great guitarists too. And I couldn't have asked for a better vocalist than Mike for that project. My fav tracks are;
The Real You
Remember Me (AMAZING solos!)
Calling My Name
A Taste Of Paradise
Where To Go
Digging Your Own Grave
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I tried pimping that disc a few times here, and nobody really gave a shit so I stopped.
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I've tried pimping Slough Feg here before, so I know how you feel :sadpanda:
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I've tried pimping myself here since 98 and people still don't know who I am......and your post count....ya..they reset fyi.
less pitty party
more roul'ing and ette'ing
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I tried pimping that disc a few times here, and nobody really gave a shit so I stopped.
That's a damn shame, it's an amazing record.
I've tried pimping myself here since 98 and people still don't know who I am......and your post count....ya..they reset fyi.
less pitty party
more roul'ing and ette'ing
When do they reset it?
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I've tried pimping myself here since 98 and people still don't know who I am......and your post count....ya..they reset fyi.
less pitty party
more roul'ing and ette'ing
I've recognized you, but I'm always good at remembering that kind of stuff.
And I already sent my song, so I can bitch all I want :biggrin:
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Good god you people are making this difficult. After initial listens, there isn't a clearcut favorite, or clearcut weakling.
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Good god you people are making this difficult. After initial listens, there isn't a clearcut favorite, or clearcut weakling.
I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing for us!
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well ...if you need to score me lower...consider this.
I join these roulettes to expose people to stuff they may not be familiar with or may have been "away from" musically for awhile.
It's not about winning or losing for me...I just like to share good tunes.
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well ...if you need to score me lower...consider this.
I join these roulettes to expose people to stuff they may not be familiar with or may have been "away from" musically for awhile.
It's not about winning or losing for me...I just like to share good tunes.
That's a good attitude, I agree with it. There is so much underrated music out there that never gets the exposure it deserves.
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well ...if you need to score me lower...consider this.
I join these roulettes to expose people to stuff they may not be familiar with or may have been "away from" musically for awhile.
It's not about winning or losing for me...I just like to share good tunes.
yeah that's the whole point, although I'll admit on both this and antigoon's roulette I have chosen some songs purely based on accessibility over what may not work on 1st impression. Why in some ways, these things aren't exactly the ideal way to expose an artist to someone initially (as opposed to hearing an entire album or a mix, etc)
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Round 5 - New release
This was a relatively tough round. The difference between my favorite song and my second least favorite was relatively slim.
6 points
Sigz - Intronaut - Elegy - If BTBAM were more straight-forward, this would be the result, and I mean that in a very good way. I have a friend who I can't get into BTBAM because of the vocals, I need to see what he thinks about this. I can see why you are so high on this band, now it's just a matter of me ordering them after my next poker trip when I get some money. The fact that they are on Century Media means I'll probably get another grab bag as well...double win!
5 points
Zantera -The Pineapple Thief - 3000 Days - I've listened to this song several times and I really don't know how to break it down, other than to say it's enjoyable, standard cross-over prog affair that I really can't complain about.
4 points
SoundscapeMN - Foals - Spanish Sahara - Ahh...something not heavy in the midst of all this heaviness. Musically, it reminded me of a cross between The Dear Hunter and Radiohead, and vocally like a softer Enchant. A nice balanced, warm blend. I definately like this song more now than in my initial impression. I could see a band like Foals (assuming this song is representative) being a nice change-of-pace artist for me. I'll have to look into them more :tup
Wolfking - Sieges Even - Tidal - I've seen this band in many times in the inserts Inside/Out put in CD's, but this is the first time I've actually heard them. A solid offering, and I guess exactly what I was expecting from an Inside/Out artist. Guess it's bout time I look into them more.
3 points
YtseBitsySpider - Theocracy - Laying the Demon to Rest - I love the opening, it's heavy without being over-the-top, as well as music in the realatively speaking soft opening stanza. From there, the verses are kind of run of the mill metal (not neccessarily bad though). I like the bombastic style of the chorus as well. My only real complaint would be the lyrical content, in that I'm not a fan of overtly religious music, which will be the only reason I wouldn't continue looking into this band, so I know I'm probably going to miss out on some good things from these guys. If these guys did a secular album, I would absolutely eat it up. Musically, it's heavy yet not heavy-handed (if that makes sense), and that's pretty uncommon these days.
Gorille85 - The Agonist - Thank You, Pain - My initial thoughts were, "This is like a cross between Arch Enemy and Lacuna Coil." - at least from the singing perspective. Unlike Arch Enemy, they don't rely almost exclusively on death growls, but the back-and-forth between death and clean seems somewhat forced at times. Not a bad song in the least, but the music almost seemed like it was too far in the background at times, and it was more about what the woman can do vocally.
Seventh Son - Cormorant - Uneasy Lies the Head - I liked the other song from earlier more. I'm just not sure what to make of this one...it's not bad, the riffs and melodies are there, but the whole package seems to be less than the sum of it's parts.
2 points
Portrucci - Baroness - War, Wisdom, & Rhyme - Musically, yes, yes, yes. Vocally, it just reminds me of everything I can't stand about Mastadon. There is just something about the vocal delivery of sludge metal that doesn't interest me. It lacks power. I've tried to work out this problem with Mastadon, and it hasn't happened yet. Maybe it will eventually, it took me over 2 years to appriciate BTBAM, so every once in a while I'll come back to Mastadon and this band to see if I can either learn to embrace or at least deal with the aspects of it that don't click for me, but right now, it's not clicking.
After 5 rounds:
YtseBitsySpider - 25
SoundscapeMN - 24
Sigz - 21
Wolfking - 19
Portrucci- 17
Zantera - 17
Gorille85 - 14
Seventh Son - 12
Round 6 - Long song. If you can't find it on Grooveshark and it's split into to parts on youtube, remember to send both parts.
Also, I'll be out of town for the holiday. Even if I have internet access, I'm not going to have the time to sit down and listen to the songs while I'm out of town, so you have essentially until Sunday afternoon to send your song.
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hey, glad you dug the Foals. Actually, when I sent that, I wasn't sure what to send you that was recent and not knowing if EPs were allowed..
But so be it. I'd suggest checking out the rest of their new record "Total Life Forever" when you get the chance. "Blue Bood" and "Black Gold" are 2 of my other favorites on it, although the whole thing is without a weak track I've found.
A longer/epic track?..hmm
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hey, glad you dug the Foals. Actually, when I sent that, I wasn't sure what to send you that was recent and not knowing if EPs were allowed..
But so be it. I'd suggest checking out the rest of their new record "Total Life Forever" when you get the chance. "Blue Bood" and "Black Gold" are 2 of my other favorites on it, although the whole thing is without a weak track I've found.
A longer/epic track?..hmm
I was really hoping to get a track from "The River Empires" album at some point since you've led the charge on that, and others seem to like it as well. If you want to suggest a few outside of the roulette, I'd appriciate it :tup
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hey, glad you dug the Foals. Actually, when I sent that, I wasn't sure what to send you that was recent and not knowing if EPs were allowed..
But so be it. I'd suggest checking out the rest of their new record "Total Life Forever" when you get the chance. "Blue Bood" and "Black Gold" are 2 of my other favorites on it, although the whole thing is without a weak track I've found.
A longer/epic track?..hmm
I was really hoping to get a track from "The River Empires" album at some point since you've led the charge on that, and others seem to like it as well. If you want to suggest a few outside of the roulette, I'd appriciate it :tup
ahh, yeah that's a good point. I guess part of why I didn't send you a tune off that is it's one of those records that is greater than the sum of it's parts. And also I guess I figure it would be kind of predictable for me to send you a track from it.
Also being involved in 2 of these at once, someone already sent antigoon a track off it (although not one I'd have sent as a 1st impression), but I believe I replied by suggesting a few others. "Toast of the Snake King" (https://www.facebook.com/theriverempires?ref=ts) "Three Tigers" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6WIwNfB9Zs&feature=related) "A Dimmer Lux" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHAuWnJLc04) "The Curse of Maybel Cains" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9WvxwdkwCw&feature=related) "Theon, the Fox"...I mean honestly I could probably add 4 or 5 more, but I'm biased I guess.
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I just can't seem to crack the 5 point barrier! :lol
I have no idea, and I'm so busy, I'll need until Sunday to try and look for a song.
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Great that you liked the song, i think The Pineapple Thief is one of the more underrated "new" bands out there, they are truly awesome. :tup
As for the next round, my choice was obvious.
It was THE song i wanted to send all along, and when i noticed the different rounds i already knew that i would save the best for last, since it falls under the category.
Won't spoil it anymore. :P
PM on it's way. :hat
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Completely understandable about the lyrical content....it is pretty christian and for some--that's just too much to "glaze" over. I have a buddy who's the same....he loves the music, the voice everything...but wants nothing to do with the "light, the love, the blazing angel swords" and all that.
Gorille.......you've got a set of stones sending anything by the Agonist. That chick's vocals are fun for a bout 30 seconds...and then holy crap you just want to throttle her.
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Gorille.......you've got a set of stones sending anything by the Agonist. That chick's vocals are fun for a bout 30 seconds...and then holy crap you just want to throttle her.
Are you serious?? ??? She's one of my favorite vocalists... :tdwn
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DTVT is there a maximum time for this long song?
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I'll cap it at 80 minutes, just so you don't send me that guy who makes songs that are literally 2 days long. It can be as long as The Whirlwind, but don't send that, I already got that :biggrin:
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dtvt, I read that bit about vocals in sludge metal.
The way I see vocals in sludge metal is that they're used as instruments, and not any more important than any other instrument in the band. As in...they're not exactly the focal point, if you will. But that's just what I've noticed about the genre. I don't listen to much sludge metal outside of Mastodon.
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So, I guess it's time to explain how the elimination bracket will work. The top 3 seeds will have "protected songs" - that is they can choose their songs for the knockout phase, and they can't be chosen by lower seeds. I realize that the probability of that is low, but I wanted to build in some other reasonable advantage for high seeds. You don't have to send them yet, but you can start thinking of up to 3 songs. The top seed only gets one song because it will be his song for the final, the second seed only needs two (semifinal and final), and the third seed gets three; and of course if the same song is chosen the higher seed gets it.
(https://filebox.vt.edu/users/mrouser/bracket.jpg)
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PM sent.
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dtvt, I read that bit about vocals in sludge metal.
The way I see vocals in sludge metal is that they're used as instruments, and not any more important than any other instrument in the band. As in...they're not exactly the focal point, if you will. But that's just what I've noticed about the genre. I don't listen to much sludge metal outside of Mastodon.
I try to pinpoint what I like and don't like about songs so that either someone can tell me "hey, you liked this; so check these guys out", or "you didn't like that one part, but if you might like band X as they sound similar but without that thing you don't like", or just so I don't get another suggestion for something similar. So, if someone found something that musically was like Baroness or Mastodon, but without that vocal style, I'd love to check them out.
FWIW, That Baroness song > anything I've heard by Mastadon
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I think I sent all my songs at once...so I guess I'm good.
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Well, you'll need one more if you hold the top seed. Otherwise, you'll potentially need as many as your seed.
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dtvt, I read that bit about vocals in sludge metal.
The way I see vocals in sludge metal is that they're used as instruments, and not any more important than any other instrument in the band. As in...they're not exactly the focal point, if you will. But that's just what I've noticed about the genre. I don't listen to much sludge metal outside of Mastodon.
So, if someone found something that musically was like Baroness or Mastodon, but without that vocal style, I'd love to check them out.
FWIW, That Baroness song > anything I've heard by Mastadon
interesting..I have shyed away from a band I happen to love, and is similar to Mastodon, but I personally feel is much better at the same time. I worry the vocals will kill your interest in them like Mastodon.
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Well, you'll need one more if you hold the top seed. Otherwise, you'll potentially need as many as your seed.
well I already sent my "long song" so...what's the theme of the other one I need to send?
sorry the whole playoff thing has me a tad confoozed.
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Well, you'll need one more if you hold the top seed. Otherwise, you'll potentially need as many as your seed.
well I already sent my "long song" so...what's the theme of the other one I need to send?
sorry the whole playoff thing has me a tad confoozed.
Playoffs are open rounds.
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well Im still confused...but....I need one more song..and it's open so..any genre/them/length or whatever then?
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Yes.
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Don't worry about it until we get there then. Just start thinking of songs you would send in an open round and keep them to yourself for now.
BTW, I've resigned myself to the fact I'm not going to get my customary 4-6 listens in this round. The songs better dress to impress the first time.
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The songs better dress to impress the first time.
Well I'm fucked.
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Yeah, that's tricky to get such long songs to sink in after the first listen. I am excited to see what everyone else submitted, I really get off on very long songs.
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The song I think I sent was pretty good for me, because I love the band. But it does have a curiousity/interesting quirk to it. So it may not place well for overall quality but I hope the "gee that's interesting" factor scores well.
Are we allowed to say what we sent?
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Are we allowed to say what we sent?
Sure, I have them all.
I can probably get 2 or 3 listens in I guess. I'm just thinking of the 30+ minutes of Wolfking's - which is fine, I did ask for long songs and some of my favorite songs are 20+ minutes.
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well shit...now I can't remember the title.
It's a Pagan's Mind song...with the interesting Dream Theater quirk.
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well shit...now I can't remember the title.
It's a Pagan's Mind song...with the interesting Dream Theater quirk.
The Prophecy of Pleiades??
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My song will most likely come off as short compared to the other songs. :P
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My song will most likely come off as short compared to the other songs. :P
How short is yours? I'm getting worried about the length of my song.
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Mine is like 8 ½ minutes. :P
I don't really listen to much music with longer songs then around 10 minutes, because even though length can make a song good, it can also be negative.
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Mine is like 8 ½ minutes. :P
I don't really listen to much music with longer songs then around 10 minutes, because even though length can make a song good, it can also be negative.
With this and Spiders song, I think I'm fucked! :lol
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I just tried to change for a much longer song...but I believe someone thought about that particular song before me.
I don't know if DTVT will accept that switch also...anyhoo!
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I just tried to change for a much longer song...but I believe someone thought about that particular song before me.
I don't know if DTVT will accept that switch also...anyhoo!
Nope...Wolfking already sent me that song.
Wolfking, the fact that someone else wanted to send the same song probably bodes well for you.
Listening session tonight. I might settle in for a second listen before I write up as well.
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That's what I thought! :P It really is an awesome song.
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That's what I thought! :P It really is an awesome song.
Sorry Gorille, as soon as DTVT said earlier in the thread that the song can be as long as 80 minutes, I knew exactly what I was sending, wether DTVT likes it or not, I'm happy with my choice no matter what score I get.
And yes, it is one of my favourite songs of all time, it is AMAZING!!
Sorry again. :(
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I just tried to change for a much longer song...but I believe someone thought about that particular song before me.
I don't know if DTVT will accept that switch also...anyhoo!
Nope...Wolfking already sent me that song.
Wolfking, the fact that someone else wanted to send the same song probably bodes well for you.
Listening session tonight. I might settle in for a second listen before I write up as well.
Cheers. I know you won't get time for repeated listens, but for me it took about 3-4 to really start getting it, I love it. Hopefully you like it. I hope everyone checks it out when the results are in, no matter how it's ranked. It's an amazing piece of music.
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Don't be sorry, I should've send it way earlier than that! I HATE YOU :tup
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Don't be sorry, I should've send it way earlier than that! I HATE YOU :tup
:lol
You never know, DTVT still might not be too fond of it.
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Im sorry...so...are we waiting on me here?
this was nearly on the third page.
Im sure there are roulettes waiting to start.
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no, we're waiting on me.
I had to write and give a final this week - now I'm grading them and re-listening.
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Round 6 - Long Song
Sorry for the short write-ups, they were done ex post facto as I was grading when I did both listens (yes, I listened to everything twice). Also, Seventh Son hasn't logged on since Nov. 21, so he's eliminated. For the most part I really enjoyed all the songs I was sent, some just more than others.
6 points
Sigz - Grayceon - Still the Desert - Heavy, unique, :tup
5 points
Wolfking - Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness - Proggy goodness all around
Gorille85 - UneXpect - In Velvet Coffins We Slept - Heavy and unique as well, vocals will take some time to adjusting to but musically very interesting.
4 points
YtseBitsySpider - Pagan's Mind - The Prophecy of the Pleiades - This was the first song I listened to...my only note on it was that I enjoyed it as much as...
SoundscapeMN - Kaddisfly - Day Disappears with the Absence of Night (tied w/ Pagan) - ...which is to say I enjoyed it, although I remember Kaddisfly being on the lighter side of things (nothing wrong with that at all)
3 points
Portrucci -Moonsorrow - Karhunkynsi - Vocals were the only thing keeping me from really digging this, but I'm nowhere near writing this band off.
Zantera - Oceansize - Music for a Nurse - I thought I heard some Pink Floyd and Radiohead influences. I think I'd like to hear more from this band at some point.
After 6 rounds:
YtseBitsySpider - 29
SoundscapeMN - 28
Sigz - 27
Wolfking - 22
Portrucci- 20
Zantera - 20
Gorille85 - 19
Seventh Son - DEAD
PLAYOFFS:
All rounds are open. Below are some instructions.
Ytse, as the top seed, send me your song choice. No one else can use it, it will be your song in the finals
SoundscapeMN - send me two songs. One will be for the semis, and one for the finals (should you win the semi-final) You can decide later which song you want to use first if you want.
Everyone else: When you are in a round, send me a song. Better of the two songs moves on. Will have writeups. This can move much faster than previous rounds.
Zantera wins tiebreaker over Portrucci since they tied in round 6, and Zantera scored higher in round 5 (I posted tiebreakers a while back).
(https://filebox.vt.edu/users/mrouser/bracket.jpg)
Gorille85 has been coming on strong. It's Gorille85 vs Portrucci. Portrucci already sent in his first song, so all I need is yours Gorille85. Also, I need the protected songs from Ytse and SoundscapeMN.
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5 points
Gorille85 - UneXpect - In Velvet Coffins We Slept - Heavy and unique as well, vocals will take some time to adjusting to but musically very interesting
fuckyeah.jpg :tup :tup
You really should check out this band since it's pretty much the greatest thing of everything forever.
Also, Pm sent! :tup
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you should listen to more Oceansize if Music for a Nurse is the 1st exposure to them. I would say the same about Kaddisfly too, especially since you apparently enjoyed the tune I sent you.
2 songs? hmm..okay.
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Seriously, I'm going to be broke when this thing is done. I got way more mileage out of it than I expeceted.
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lol..well, at least it served it's purpose, right? :laugh:
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Wow, this is serious business now. Interesting to see how it turns out.
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So correct me if im wrong, but i shouldn't send a song until a winner has been decided between Portrucci and Gorille, or? :P
The playoff is something new to me. :biggrin:
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Yeah, I gotta admit I'm pretty confused too.
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gives me some time to wait and watch...OR...drop my song in early so nobody else can use it.
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So correct me if im wrong, but i shouldn't send a song until a winner has been decided between Portrucci and Gorille, or? :P
The playoff is something new to me. :biggrin:
Correct, you have the winner. And be ready, I have both of their songs and Soundscape's protected songs, so all I'm waiting on is Ytse's protected song. My goal during the playoffs is to do one match a day, because its easy to listen to two songs a couple of times each on one night, which also allows me to finish well ahead of the x-mas holiday.
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I took a bit of a risk with my song but we'll see what happens!
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So correct me if im wrong, but i shouldn't send a song until a winner has been decided between Portrucci and Gorille, or? :P
The playoff is something new to me. :biggrin:
Correct, you have the winner. And be ready, I have both of their songs and Soundscape's protected songs, so all I'm waiting on is Ytse's protected song. My goal during the playoffs is to do one match a day, because its easy to listen to two songs a couple of times each on one night, which also allows me to finish well ahead of the x-mas holiday.
you'll have it this evening when I get home from work.
Open round eh?
Wow...so many choices.
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PM has been sent.
Lets get it on!!!!
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gogogo :tup
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Matchup:
Portrucci: McChurch Soundroom - What Are You Doin'?
vs.
Gorille85: Karkwa - Echaupper au Sort (google translation: Escape the Fate)
Very contrasting styles, yet both are enjoyable. The McChurch Soundroom sound is like a journey...its changing, evolving, and you don't know where you're going next. Karkwa's song is more like a story telling...the only problem is je ne comprends pas le français. Although I was leaning ever so slightly one way the entire time, I listened to each song 5 times and the winning margin got slimmer and slimmer everytime until the last listen...
McChurch Soundroom opens with an organ piece, moves onto a cool jazzy baseline, and settles into a Bigelf sound, mindyou 30+ years before Bigelf existed. Then it sounds like he's singing some version of the verse from "Roxanne" by The Police despite the fact that this predates Roxanne by about 10 years. I love the big sound during the chorus as well. Imagine Black Sabbath with an organ, and less "doomy".
Karkwa reminds me of a dredg meets Radiohead meets PT's In Absentia...in all the good ways. It's catchy and not too "pop-y", got a nice lead on the chorus. I didn't watch the video until I made my decision, but if you a fan of rotoscoping (like I am), definately check it out. Hell, check out both songs, they're both good.
These songs got closer and closer to each other until the 5th listen, when McChurch Soundroom just clicked for me. The Karkwa song being in French didn't bother me at all, and the lyrics to McChurch were nothing special either, so it was strictly about the music here.
McChurch Soundroom wins by split decision.
Good game Gorille, you really caught on towards the end.
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Portrucci vs Zantera... I need your songs
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Good write up! Glad you enjoyed it. Time to think of another song :justjen
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Well, at least it was close! :P I had fun in this roulette even if I was losing big time most of the rounds.
PS: The name of the Karkwa song is actually "Échapper au Sort" :tup
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sent :corn
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Should I start thinking of a song to send through? ???
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It's open round right?
PM will be sent in a few mins.
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Should I start thinking of a song to send through? ???
yeah, you got winner, and that winner is Portrucci again!
Portrucci: Diablo Swing Orchestra - Ricerca Dell'anima
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Zantera: Oceansize - Savant
I liked the Oceansize vocals more, and honestly that chick's voice was borderline annoying, but musically DSO sounded like 50s metal at times, which was pretty cool. I didn't absolutely love either song, but I think I could either learn to like the female singers voice, or maybe its just this song it seems a little too overprocessed on. Either way, verdict in and I'm sticking with it.
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Can Loborey Loco end Portrucci's run? We'll find out Friday night (out of town tomorrow night more than likely)
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Sweeet :metal I know Gorille with approve of my selection ;D
also, next song sent :tup
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Oh well, i'm not all that disappointed that i'm already out.
It was fun, and hopefully i've made you interested in some new music. :)
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Sweeet :metal I know Gorille with approve of my selection ;D
:tup
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Shit, I lost track of where we were up to. A song will be sent very soon.
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PM Sent. Completely random pick out of thin air. Doubt I will make it any further.
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Can Portrucci continue his run?
Portrucci: Kauan - Valveuni
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Wolfking: Scar Symmetry - Ghost Prototype I
So, both of these were new to me, although I do recognize Scar Symmetry's name being bandied about DTF. Kauan is a Russian two-piece outfit, musically I would say its a reminisint of early Riverside with more emphasis on piano...or at least this song. It's very atmospheric (and I'm not just saying that because they used a sample from a thunderstorm at times) and melodic, a very nice song to listen to when relaxing, as the vocals have a soft and soothing tone. I liked this song more with each successive listen, as the subtle details and sublime beauty get noticed with every successive listen.
Scar Symmetry...why is this new to me? I like Gothenburg metal a lot, and from this song I know I've clearly missed the boat on this band. Thankfully I can rent a speed boat. Some of the best melodeath I've heard in a while. If their other stuff sounds like this, I'm definately going to be checking them out and liking them.
However...something about that Kauan song just gets me right now, and it is also something I'm going to check out, and I'll probably have to go out of my way to check it out as well. By the slimmest of margins, Portrucci is taking this round with his strongest submission to this point.
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Portrucci vs Sigz is up next. Can Portrucci continue his big run?
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Awesome :D That whole Kauan album is just so peaceful and enjoyable. Definitely one of my favourites from 2009.
Also, sent my next song. I have a feeling it's going to be a lot different to what Sigz sends :corn
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DTVT, definitely check out Holographic Universe, easily in my top 5 melodic death metal albums ever, it's amazing. (This song comes from that album also.)
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I much prefer Pitch Black Progress, to be honest.
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I much prefer Pitch Black Progress, to be honest.
Yeah, that's a good one and I could easily see why you would enjoy that more, but Holographic really just clicked with me, brilliant album. Symmetric in Design is killer aswell. Let's not even talk about Dark Matter Dimensions. :facepalm:
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Sent, took a massive risk. :corn
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Interesting matchup coming up!
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and check out Solution .45 essentially a new Scar Symmetry disk and up for album of the year on my list.
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and check out Solution .45 essentially a new Scar Symmetry disk and up for album of the year on my list.
Yep, top 3 record of 2010. Leaves the new Scar Symmetry for dead!
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I should make you two send me two more songs, but alas, I'm paid to make the tough decisions.
Portrucci: Kraan - Sarah's Ritt Durch Den Schwarzwald
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Sigz: Rosetta - Départe/Deneb
Portrucci's song is jazzy as groovy as fuck, I just want tap my foot with the beat and nod my head to the rhythm. The fact that it is a live recording makes it all the more impressive, because if it weren't for the clapping at the end, I don't think I would have known. It's just a fun piece of instrumental goodness smileing all over the place.
Sigz's (that sounds weird...Sigz's) song is interesting as fuck, it forces you to pay attention, but not in an annoying "nails on a chalkboard" way, more along the lines a good movie sucks you in and you can't turn it off. It's two songs meant to be played simultaniously, although I have to admit I don't know if either one would stand up on their own. One "song" is post-metal, and the other is ambient/noise/whathaveyou. I didn't listen to the individual songs, but I think its fairly obvious which layers belong to which song.
I thoroughly enjoyed both songs, so I based my decision on one piece of speculation...if I had both albums in front of me, which one would I choose to listen to first based on these two songs. I think 16 days a month I'd choose the Kraan album, and today is one of those 16 days. This is in no way an indictment of your choice Sigz, I really enjoyed it. I also want to thank you for the Intronaut you sent earlier, I picked that album up when I was down in Raleigh and I think I like the song Miasma more than the song you sent me. In addition, Amesoeurs, Battle of Mice, Giant Squid, and Grayceon are all on my watch list I keep on my phone - or I'll order them online when I get a nice stash of cash again.
Portrucci...you got another bullet in the chamber?
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Holy shit Portrucci you're on a roll my friend!! :metal
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Holy shit Portrucci you're on a roll my friend!! :metal
:laugh: Hell yea. Very happy DTVT is digging the stuff I'm sending him :)
sent my next song. This will be tough, Soundscape has a really impressive knowledge of good, small bands. We shall see! :metal
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Portrucci dude, you're on a rampage! :lol I'm glad I invited you to take part in mine.
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wouldn't most Kraan be considered Classic Rock?
I've pretty much been of the belief, everything from the 60's and 70's (or earlier) was a no-go.
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I also went back and reviewed the original rules, bands he'd heard of and even had my final selection nixed because he had the album and it wasn't listed in his one offs. I also reviewed all the submissions in each round.
choose wisely young grasshopper
though....the final song you're battling isn't that tough...just a favorite band of mine I'm trying to introduce him to.
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wouldn't most Kraan be considered Classic Rock?
I've pretty much been of the belief, everything from the 60's and 70's (or earlier) was a no-go.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was only DQ'ing bands I was already very familiar with like Zep, Sabbath, Deep Purple, Rainbow, DSOTM (the only PF album I knew well, which is why I accepted Ytse's PF song), The Eagles, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Van Halen, etc...stuff you can find on a classic rock radio station basically. I never heard of Kraan, or the other stuff from the 70s Portrucci has sent me. I'm not apposed to old stuff, I was just trying to avoid a situation I had when I was in numbers roulette where about every round I was having multiple selections being rejected due to familiarity. Your current song selections are fine, as is your switch.
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Sigz's (that sounds weird...Sigz's) song is interesting as fuck, it forces you to pay attention, but not in an annoying "nails on a chalkboard" way, more along the lines a good movie sucks you in and you can't turn it off. It's two songs meant to be played simultaniously, although I have to admit I don't know if either one would stand up on their own. One "song" is post-metal, and the other is ambient/noise/whathaveyou. I didn't listen to the individual songs, but I think its fairly obvious which layers belong to which song.
I thoroughly enjoyed both songs, so I based my decision on one piece of speculation...if I had both albums in front of me, which one would I choose to listen to first based on these two songs. I think 16 days a month I'd choose the Kraan album, and today is one of those 16 days. This is in no way an indictment of your choice Sigz, I really enjoyed it. I also want to thank you for the Intronaut you sent earlier, I picked that album up when I was down in Raleigh and I think I like the song Miasma more than the song you sent me. In addition, Amesoeurs, Battle of Mice, Giant Squid, and Grayceon are all on my watch list I keep on my phone - or I'll order them online when I get a nice stash of cash again.
:tup Glad you're enjoying Intronaut!
I originally heard that album (the Rosetta one) as two seperate discs, and while they certainly hold their own, listening to it synced for the first time was absolutely mindblowing. I'm glad you enjoyed it, I wasn't sure how it would fly.
and gg portucci :yarr
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Portrucci: When Day Descends - A Fragile Disguise
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SoundscapeMN: Ours - The Worst Things Beautiful
When Day Descends is an up-and-coming Austrailian band, and appearently you can get a lot of their music on their website, https://www.whendaydescends.com/site/discography (https://www.whendaydescends.com/site/discography), for free so its definately worth checking out. I would describe their sound as rockish-prog. It was definately worth checking out if that's your thing. The Ours song just really got my attention about 30 seconds in. It sounded so familiar, yet I don't know where I would have heard it before. Then it hit me...it was like taking the instrumentation of dredg and combining that with a singer who can hit the high notes like dredg, but has a more rounded out, fuller tone in the lower to medium register.
The When Day Descends song was good, but it lacked bait on the hook. I saw it dangling, but it never grabbed my attention and drew me in like the Ours song did, and still does even after a few listens. Portrucci's big run ends here.
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I have both of the songs for the final, but I will listen tomorrow so I can give both songs their proper due.
Good luck SoundscapeMN and YtseBitsySpider!
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Grats Soundscape! I think you can win it :)
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hey thanks. You certainly had a nice run Portucci. A run I'd question if I could have made myself. I kind of went in thinking I had to submit something big, and Ours, as some know, are one of my favorite bands of all-time. And Jimmy Gnecco is one of my favorite singers. So, I figured, if I was going to go down, I would go down with my guns blazing, and take what I would say is their best or most accessible song (although, "best" would be difficult to say, given I could have named at least 3 or 4 others).
The track I submitted for the final I would say is my favorite track from said artist, although like some others I've submitted in this, it's a great song on an even greater album. In others words, if DTVT digs it, hopefully he'll check out the record it comes from.
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Good luck dude.
remember....its all about the music.
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Thanks, and good luck. But you're right. This is about introducing NEW MUSIC to DTVT 1st and foremost.
I can't forget though, participating in two of these simultaneously, in retrospect, I would not have done. I've actually tried to avoid submitting the same artists in this and antigoon's just thinking the other might know said song later on.
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Im surprised after doing so well in this one not to have been considered for any of the other upcoming ones. Though I guess that might a musical taste thing. DTVT seemed to dig alot of what I was sending.
Oh well.
Also, you're song is going up against Ozric Tentacles - Coily
I had a about half a dozen Ozric songs I was gonna try and send him (their catalogue is extensive) but this one seemed to grove nice and hopefully doesn't scare him.
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I only invited 3 people to take part in mine, for the remaining places I invited everyone to put their name forward in the Tracker thread if they were interested, so I assumed you weren't. I'm sure if you ask someone else coming up in the waiting list then you'll be able to take part in another.
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Also, you're song is going up against Ozric Tentacles - Coily
OOOOOOH good choice.
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I think so...and maybe it will help him cut his Ozric teeth..but I think he's a tad too metal to really "get it". He'll enjoy it, but if the other track has some good metalish guitar hooks...I"m not sure Ozric will keep him interested. It's an acquired taste.
They always amaze with the amount of actual instruments being played. Yes there's a ton of synth work but wow....some really good musicians too.
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Well, it's come down to this.
SoundscapeMN: The Stiletto Formal - Sleeping Our Way to the Top
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YtseBitsySpider: Ozric Tenticles - Coily
Sleeping Our Way to the Top...sounds like what a former co-worker of mine was trying to do. Is this rap? Lyrically this sounds like a mash-up of old school hip-hop, rap, and and 70's prog. I feel like I should be drinking gin & juice and watching booty shaking while wearing horn-rimmed glasses and a pocket protector. "Put your face down and ass up" that sounds like a rap verse...actually quite a few of them do. Musically, it starts off like its going to be prog, but then the keyboard/synth just gets too repetitive and in my face. To be honest, I could really see a song like this catching on bigtime mainstream. It's a hybrid of two styles but not proggy enough to push most people away. I honestly don't know what to make of this song
Well, when I saw the name Coily, I kind of thought I knew what to expect musically because I have heard two OT songs before and to my knowledge they are an instrumental band (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but all three songs I've heard were instrumentals). On top of that, the title itself, "Coily" immediately struck me as a Q-bert fan, so I thought it would be cool to have some Indian snake charming music in there...and at parts it sounded like it did! It certainly lived up to the name "Coily" musically, as it sounded coily, serpentine, and mysterious, whil still having the elements I think people associate with OT, spaced out sound heavy with heavy phase distortion. Since we don't endorse drug use at DTF, the clean way this song can be really enjoyed is you lie face down into a pillow and close your eyes, with your hands under the pillow to provide a little pressure to your eyes...you can "see" moving patterns of color. It was a pretty cool trip.
It's been a fun journey, both with the acid trip this round and through all the rounds. I've already picked up some of the bands that have been introduced to me here, I've looked for others and will continue to do so. But this round - and the entire game go to YtseBitsySpider. Well done by all of you :clap:
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DTVT, do you think you'll be checking out more music from The Stiletto Formal? because I can tell you, that is my favorite track on their record "!Fiesta, Fiesta, Fiesta, Fiesta" and frequently mentioned as a favorite online (by their fans), but it's the only song with a rap.
I really can't say enough good things about that record. It's one of the most energetic and addictive albums I've heard in the last 10 years, as there's a very good reason I have it at a perfect 5-stars. They're prog, not hip-hop, but they brought in Murs do do a rap on that song, which honestly I think not only works extremely well, but is a pretty unique or even original way to combine rap with rock music.
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I highly recommend that Stiletto Formal album as well :tup
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Well done Spider and good game everyone! :tup
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DTVT, do you think you'll be checking out more music from The Stiletto Formal? because I can tell you, that is my favorite track on their record "!Fiesta, Fiesta, Fiesta, Fiesta" and frequently mentioned as a favorite online (by their fans), but it's the only song with a rap.
I really can't say enough good things about that record. It's one of the most energetic and addictive albums I've heard in the last 10 years, as there's a very good reason I have it at a perfect 5-stars. They're prog, not hip-hop, but they brought in Murs do do a rap on that song, which honestly I think not only works extremely well, but is a pretty unique or even original way to combine rap with rock music.
It didn't lose because it was/has rap, it was more about the keyboard/synth being to up-front and in my face. One could argue the song Used by Pain of Salvation has a rap (and a few other songs as well), and it hasn't prevented it from being a song I really like or a band I really like. The two things that keep me uninterested in rap are the repetitive simple drum & bass loops and lyrical themes, the latter more than the former. If you say it's not representitive, I would be more inclined to check them out, and I could see myself liking the song the same way I like SDV - it doesn't really fit in with the rest of their catalog but its interesting and unique.
I checked out the Menomena tune as well, and I liked that one about the same as The Stiletto Formal. I recommendation from both you and Sigz carries a LOT of weight round these parts...I promise I won't write them off.
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Thanks DTVT....great game.
Congrats to everybody for sticking with this fun musical discovery puzzle and while I'm the winner, I think DTVT really stands as the big winner, for getting all sorts of new stuff and for all the time effort he put into the write-ups
High fives for all.
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Ok..just to show the appriciation for what I was sent, I want to show you guys how much money you made the artists you sent me - so far. There are still other bands and albums I need to get as well:
The Dear Hunter (I had ordered these before the roulette started, but I'll list it here anyways)
Battle of Mice
Slough Feg - 3 albums and counting :tup
Pink Floyd - Pulse
Cloudscape - 2 albums and will be getting the last one next time I order
Intronaut - Valley of Smoke
Kaddisfly - Set Sail the Prairie
Scar Symmetrry - 2 albums
The Stilleto Formal
That's 15 albums and counting, and there is still plenty of other bands I want to get - it is either a matter of finding them, or in the case of one band remembering the correct spelling of the band name :facepalm:
Thanks for the music and the ever growing dent in my wallet.
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Set Sail and Fiesta x4 are both 5-star albums (as well as Act II from The Dear Hunter). So, those purchases to me would be money well spent. Although Set Sail especially, I hope you didn't spend a ton on as I see copies for $6-$9 quite often at Cheapo here. Plus I'm sure Amazon has some used copies for rather afforable prices.
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I bought it from lordxizor. Actually, it was the free one, and I like it much more than the two albums by 3 I "paid" for. I now have three albums by 3 and I'm just not getting it.
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Battle of Mice
:heart :heart :heart
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Cloudscape - 2 albums and will be getting the last one next time I order
Intronaut - Valley of Smoke
Scar Symmetrry - 2 albums
So much win here!! :metal
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I think you'd really dig Slough Feg, Wolfking. Check them out on grroveshark and let me know what you think.
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I think you'd really dig Slough Feg, Wolfking. Check them out on grroveshark and let me know what you think.
Hmm...never heard of them. I'll check them out tonight.
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I think you'd really dig Slough Feg, Wolfking. Check them out on grroveshark and let me know what you think.
Hey mate, checked out a couple of songs quickly last night. I like it. I like the rawness in their production and the balance they seem to conjure up between metal and folk elements is impressive. I will look into more of them.