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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. DTVT on October 08, 2010, 09:02:17 PM
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I couldn't find a Van Halen thread in the search function. I often forget how awesome they are and how important they were during the formative years of my musical tastes. Between the musical ability of Eddie (which sadly I wasn't able to truely appriciate until recently when I began to understand music), the showmanship of David Lee Roth, and the awesome music videos, what child of the 80s couldn't love this band?
While I like the Hagar years...Diamond Dave will always be the man in my Van Halen dreams.
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Fan of both David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar eras. Never heard the Cherone album(s?). There's news of a 2011 tour, and I know some of the older ones don't care for modern-day Van Halen, but for me (as with all 'nostalgia' acts as some would call them), this might be my only chance to catch the legendary classic bands live, even if they are more of a nostalgia act than anything. I'd rather see them do that than not see them at all.
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inb4 Cozmo and Hef
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hadn't heard about the 2011 tour, but it was my lifelong dream to see them when they played with roth a few years ago, and I got to see them in Boston. it was everything I had hoped for
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https://www.billboard.com/events/van-halen-album-tour-expected-in-2011-1004108100.story#/events/van-halen-album-tour-expected-in-2011-1004108100.story
Meanwhile, Van Halen manager and Live Nation Entertainment executive chairman Irivng Azoff mentioned on a conference call last month and an earning's call last night that Van Halen was expected to tour next year. That's good news for Live Nation as a disappointing 2010 season is hitting the touring giant's earnings. Van Halen's 2008 reunion tour with Roth was a massive success. It raked in a total gross of more than $93 million and close to one million in attendance from 74 shows, according to Billboard Boxscore.
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awesome...will definately do again
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If/when they do tour, I'll be at the Madison Square Garden gig :metal
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I am a huge fan of Van Halen, both the DLR era and Hagar. If you like them so much, please participate in the VH Survivor that I've been running for some time in P/S.
My love and respect for that music aside, Eddie is now batshit-crazy, and no way in hell would I go see them live now.
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I got into Van Halen only recently, and while I think that DLR is an amazing showman (although he seemed a bit weird in the early days), I enjoy Sammy Hagar's singing way more. Much less random high-pitched shouts, his voice is more enjoyable to me etc. Overall, I like the music quite a lot, definitely.
By the way, the cover band I'm playing in have added "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" to the repertoire. Playing this song is fun as hell.
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DTVT..it's been a long time since we had a VH thread. To me, they are easily the most forgotten bands in history. When the great bands of the 70's or 80's are brought up, they seem to fall through the cracks. probably because they were very late 70's and early 80's. But every 80's metal band, be it hair, sleaze, LA, owes their career to Van Halen.
I got to see the 1984 tour and it was great. Eddie was the gold standard to guitar players back in the day.
That said, I'm not a Hagar fan, even though I saw them a buch of times with Sammy. It was still always a great show. But I remember seeing Dave's first tour, the Eat 'Em And Smile tour (a great album BTW) and his tour blew the 5150 show off the stage!
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It could be argued that VH is the greatest American rock band ever.
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You know your a fan of VH when you own VH mach III and saw that tour also.
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My dad loves Van Halen because they're Coooooolll!!!
"ain't talkin bout love, my love is rotten to the core" :metal
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I don't think liking VH has been considered "cool" for about 20 years now. :lol :P
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2 of their best tracks:
Little Guitars
5150
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My everyday listening to Dream Theater's The Astonishing has had one weird effect on me. It made me listen to Sammy Hagar-era Van Halen, which is now in my regular playlist. Amazing four albums.
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I've been seeing lots of interviews where Sammy and Michael (apparently he is on good terms with Alex again) have been saying they want to get VH back together for a tour, even with sharing the set with DLR. Im hoping this lot of chatter lately leads to something because that would be EPIC if we truly could have the best of both worlds in a single concert.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sammy-hagar-on-possible-reunion-with-van-halen-i-really-think-its-kind-of-inevitable/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sammy-hagar-on-possible-reunion-with-van-halen-i-really-think-its-kind-of-inevitable/)
Hagar also addressed persistent rumors that he is coming back to VAN HALEN. He said: "I haven't talked to anyone, and I'm not reaching out. I'm gonna tell you exactly what my dream would be, though. It would be Sam, Dave [Lee Roth], Mike [Anthony], Al [Alex Van Halen] and Eddie [Van Halen]. If [Eddie's son] Wolfie's band opened, that's fine."
He continued: "I'd say, 'Dave, you go out and play two songs, then walk off the stage. I walk out, I'll do two songs. I'll walk off, you do two songs.' Can you imagine the competition of that? Dave goes out and does 'Jump', and 'Ain't Talkin 'Bout Love'. I go out there and blow out something like 'Good Enough'. You gotta hit it hard, and you better be good. I would give my money to food banks if they would do the same. I would love to give the fans the greatest VAN HALEN show they could possibly have today. And then say, 'Okay, I still don't like you guys.'"
When asked if he thinks this is likely to happen, Sammy said: "I think it could happen in a second. I think there's so much money involved that somebody will make it happen. Think of the promoters, managers, T-shirt guys, you name it.
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Sammy keeps talking about it and whenever he does he always downplays his interest in it. Recently though, he seems far more interested. The conversation between Alex and Mike always was cool to me. They talked on the phone for a few hours when Mike was hanging out with a mutual friend.
I would love to see this tour. I would pay big money to see it. Dave would fuck it up somehow or make it about him
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Sounds like wishful thinking for what Sammy describes, but I agree that Sammy coming back is inevitable.
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I would love a just Sammy tour with Mike back and Wolfie's band opening or something to make the brothers happy. The band is obviously on fire right now as evidenced by the past two tours. Sammy can still sing, so the show would be awesome
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Wolfgang isn't going anywhere and Sammy is going to have to accept that if he wants to reunite with VH. I don't think he has enough leverage to force the brothers to take Michael Anthony back and fire Wolfie.
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I know he was just spitballing an idea off the top of his head, but only in Sammy Hagar's world does he think they could do a concert when he comes out and sings Good Enough after Jump. :lol :lol :lol
That aside, this will NEVER happen. Too many egos. And I am not even sure I'd want it to happen. It would be a train wreck.
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
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I know he was just spitballing an idea off the top of his head, but only in Sammy Hagar's world does he think they could do a concert when he comes out and sings Good Enough after Jump. :lol :lol :lol
That aside, this will NEVER happen. Too many egos. And I am not even sure I'd want it to happen. It would be a train wreck.
While I think the possibility of a train wreck is very high, I still would love to see it happen. Like Sammy said, they are only getting older. If they have any desire to have fun with this again, they need to act soon. It just sucks the egos are so big with all these guys that it will likely never happen.
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
Yup, same here. A lot of the time they feel like it's a different song.
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I heard a bootleg the other day called "Got the Magic Fingers", from the OU812 tour, recorded in Japan. The band is absolutely on fire!!! I love VH, Eddie is probably my favourite musician ever. I'd love to see Sammy and Michael back for a tour with the brothers and Dave, but Eddie is such a recluse these days and there are so many egoes involved that it's highly unlikely.
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
Yup, same here. A lot of the time they feel like it's a different song.
Ya know, as heralded a player as EVH is, aside from Eruption (which is a song, really, not a solo), does he really have any particular solos in full band songs that are always referred to as all-time greats?
Think about it.
I know he was just spitballing an idea off the top of his head, but only in Sammy Hagar's world does he think they could do a concert when he comes out and sings Good Enough after Jump. :lol :lol :lol
That aside, this will NEVER happen. Too many egos. And I am not even sure I'd want it to happen. It would be a train wreck.
While I think the possibility of a train wreck is very high, I still would love to see it happen. Like Sammy said, they are only getting older. If they have any desire to have fun with this again, they need to act soon. It just sucks the egos are so big with all these guys that it will likely never happen.
I don't think EVH is capable anymore of having fun playing music with anyone but his brother and his son. He has already had to suck it up in recent years and tour a few times with one guy he hates (Roth), and I imagine having to do it with two other guys he doesn't like (I doubt he hates Hagar and Anthony like he does Roth, but there is certainly not much love :lol) it is not an idea he would entertain.
I heard a bootleg the other day called "Got the Magic Fingers", from the OU812 tour, recorded in Japan. The band is absolutely on fire!!! I love VH, Eddie is probably my favourite musician ever. I'd love to see Sammy and Michael back for a tour with the brothers and Dave, but Eddie is such a recluse these days and there are so many egoes involved that it's highly unlikely.
The two biggest egos are in the band currently: EVH and Roth. Hagar has a large one, too, but it's still dwarfed by the others.
Anthony just wants to play music and have a good time, without drama.
I always get the sense that Alex will go along with whatever his bother wants to do.
Wolfgang would probably have to be the one to pull his dad aside and tell him he'd step aside for a tour, and even then, it would take years for his dad to be convinced. :lol :lol
And once he is, good luck talking Roth into it. :rollin :rollin
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
Yup, same here. A lot of the time they feel like it's a different song.
Ya know, as heralded a player as EVH is, aside from Eruption (which is a song, really, not a solo), does he really have any particular solos in full band songs that are always referred to as all-time greats?
Think about it.
The intro to Hot for Teacher, maybe? Between him and Alex banging away it's sort of iconic. I've never been a big fan of the song, but I know that a lot of people would probably site it.
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
Yup, same here. A lot of the time they feel like it's a different song.
Ya know, as heralded a player as EVH is, aside from Eruption (which is a song, really, not a solo), does he really have any particular solos in full band songs that are always referred to as all-time greats?
Think about it.
The intro to Hot for Teacher, maybe? Between him and Alex banging away it's sort of iconic. I've never been a big fan of the song, but I know that a lot of people would probably site it.
All his other solos are eclipsed by Eruption, only because it was so groundbraking at the time. And most of what he did was adored back in the day, and still stands the test of time, even though his style was copied by a gazillion other players. I can mention a "simple" solo like Running with the Devil, which is not difficult to replicate, but it has SO MUCH balls and style!! Also Unchained, Push Comes to Shove, One Foot Out the Door, Everybody Wants Some!, Jump, Panama with the insane bending during the solo, the song 5150, Pleasure Dome, Aftershock, Humans Being...Eddie was and still is the man.
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
Yup, same here. A lot of the time they feel like it's a different song.
Ya know, as heralded a player as EVH is, aside from Eruption (which is a song, really, not a solo), does he really have any particular solos in full band songs that are always referred to as all-time greats?
Think about it.
The intro to Hot for Teacher, maybe? Between him and Alex banging away it's sort of iconic. I've never been a big fan of the song, but I know that a lot of people would probably site it.
All his other solos are eclipsed by Eruption, only because it was so groundbraking at the time. And most of what he did was adored back in the day, and still stands the test of time, even though his style was copied by a gazillion other players. I can mention a "simple" solo like Running with the Devil, which is not difficult to replicate, but it has SO MUCH balls and style!! Also Unchained, Push Comes to Shove, One Foot Out the Door, Everybody Wants Some!, Jump, Panama with the insane bending during the solo, the song 5150, Pleasure Dome, Aftershock, Humans Being...Eddie was and still is the man.
I've always had an appreciation for what the man could do. But my attraction to the band was always about the raw energy that they had. The lead playing is a big part of that, but I'm more of a "song fan" when it comes to this band. I guess that I don't think about the solos much outside the piece as a whole.
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Maybe slightly controversial, but I'm not a big fan of most of Eddie's solos. His rhythms of course are legendary.
Yup, same here. A lot of the time they feel like it's a different song.
Ya know, as heralded a player as EVH is, aside from Eruption (which is a song, really, not a solo), does he really have any particular solos in full band songs that are always referred to as all-time greats?
Think about it.
The intro to Hot for Teacher, maybe? Between him and Alex banging away it's sort of iconic. I've never been a big fan of the song, but I know that a lot of people would probably site it.
All his other solos are eclipsed by Eruption, only because it was so groundbraking at the time. And most of what he did was adored back in the day, and still stands the test of time, even though his style was copied by a gazillion other players. I can mention a "simple" solo like Running with the Devil, which is not difficult to replicate, but it has SO MUCH balls and style!! Also Unchained, Push Comes to Shove, One Foot Out the Door, Everybody Wants Some!, Jump, Panama with the insane bending during the solo, the song 5150, Pleasure Dome, Aftershock, Humans Being...Eddie was and still is the man.
I've always had an appreciation for what the man could do. But my attraction to the band was always about the raw energy that they had. The lead playing is a big part of that, but I'm more of a "song fan" when it comes to this band. I guess that I don't think about the solos much outside the piece as a whole.
I see your point. And I get why a lot of people chose to compliment him on his rhythm playing. His work in 5150, Little Guitars, House of Pain, Dance the Night Away, Panama, Drop Dead Legs etc., rhythm wise, is insane too!!
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Yea, his riffs and style are great. His solos while flashy, aren't always as memorable. To me, it's the overall playing that I love.
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You guys hear about this new book out about VH? From various reviews I have read, it will make you hate everyone in the band except Michael Anthony.
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You guys hear about this new book out about VH? From various reviews I have read, it will make you hate everyone in the band except Michael Anthony.
I don't need a book for that!
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Heh, of course. :lol :lol Roth and Eddie are already easy to hate, because they are both total dicks. Now, the Alex stuff could be a revelation since he has always struck me as the guy who did what Eddie wanted, but perhaps he is one of those guy who is a major dick behind the scenes that we never see (while Eddie being a dick is plain as day :lol :lol).
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You guys hear about this new book out about VH? From various reviews I have read, it will make you hate everyone in the band except Michael Anthony.
That doesn't surprise me at all. What Eddie did on VHIII to the 2004 reunion tour to Michael was deplorable.
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You guys hear about this new book out about VH? From various reviews I have read, it will make you hate everyone in the band except Michael Anthony.
That doesn't surprise me at all. What Eddie did on VHIII to the 2004 reunion tour to Michael was deplorable.
Indeed. They forced Michael to give away his royalties, or else he wouldn't be allowed to join them on tour in 2004...and then kicked him out anyway for Wolfie to join. That, and erasing Michael's photos from the album covers (then being convinced to put him back in), were horrible moves.
And even being treated like that, does anyone see Michael complaining everyday in the press? Absolutely not... he's a class act indeed!
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You guys hear about this new book out about VH? From various reviews I have read, it will make you hate everyone in the band except Michael Anthony.
That doesn't surprise me at all. What Eddie did on VHIII to the 2004 reunion tour to Michael was deplorable.
Indeed. They forced Michael to give away his royalties, or else he wouldn't be allowed to join them on tour in 2004...and then kicked him out anyway for Wolfie to join. That, and erasing Michael's photos from the album covers (then being convinced to put him back in), were horrible moves.
And even being treated like that, does anyone see Michael complaining everyday in the press? Absolutely not... he's a class act indeed!
Nope, in fact he says he wants to do a reunion tour.
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Heh, of course. :lol :lol Roth and Eddie are already easy to hate, because they are both total dicks. Now, the Alex stuff could be a revelation since he has always struck me as the guy who did what Eddie wanted, but perhaps he is one of those guy who is a major dick behind the scenes that we never see (while Eddie being a dick is plain as day :lol :lol).
Call me the oddball, but I'm not sure why Dave is the "total dick". He's weird, and he's his own man, but if "Roth Van Halen" circa the 2010's is what's found on "A Different Kind of Truth", I'll take that over Van Hagar every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. And while Mike is way underrated (I saw him in a club with Chickenfoot and he SMOKED) he's the bass player, and not "Chris Squire" or "Geddy Lee". Perfect world, or nostalgia sake, sure, but give me "Blood And Fire" or "Big River" all day long.
The knock is Roth blows and blah blah blah, but if you A/B the songs from the demo tapes (from '77, or so) they play those riffs/songs in the same key and at the same tempo, so he can't be doing TOO badly.
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He really is that bad live. He doesn't sing for the most part so no reason for the the rest of the band to change key/tempo. He is an entertainer, I'll give him that.
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He really is that bad live. He doesn't sing for the most part so no reason for the the rest of the band to change key/tempo. He is an entertainer, I'll give him that.
And he surprisingly knows a fair amount of Japanese history and culture. There's a youtube video out there about him talking about the history about the start of Japanese wrestling (puroresu) which took place in the mid 50s, after WWII.
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Heh, of course. :lol :lol Roth and Eddie are already easy to hate, because they are both total dicks. Now, the Alex stuff could be a revelation since he has always struck me as the guy who did what Eddie wanted, but perhaps he is one of those guy who is a major dick behind the scenes that we never see (while Eddie being a dick is plain as day :lol :lol).
Call me the oddball, but I'm not sure why Dave is the "total dick". He's weird, and he's his own man, but if "Roth Van Halen" circa the 2010's is what's found on "A Different Kind of Truth", I'll take that over Van Hagar every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. And while Mike is way underrated (I saw him in a club with Chickenfoot and he SMOKED) he's the bass player, and not "Chris Squire" or "Geddy Lee". Perfect world, or nostalgia sake, sure, but give me "Blood And Fire" or "Big River" all day long.
The knock is Roth blows and blah blah blah, but if you A/B the songs from the demo tapes (from '77, or so) they play those riffs/songs in the same key and at the same tempo, so he can't be doing TOO badly.
The only time that I've seen DLR live was in the mid 90's. He played at a street festival (The Popcorn Festival in Marion, Ohio incase anyone is curious) in my home town. He was so bad that he was good, if that makes any sense. His voice was horrible, and I think that he was fairly well on his way to being drunk for most of the show. But he was definitely an entertainer. I'm not sure that anyone has really expected much more from him.
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Dave WAS a total dick in the past, but he seems a lot more tame since he came back to VH. I remember an interview in the 80´s where he said "I try ro think of concept videos for Van Halen, but my drummer has a hard time understanding the concept". I could be wrong, but I think this was on the Late Night Show with David Letterman. However, since coming back he doesn´t say things like that anymore. Most likely, Eddie said "one strike and you´re out". He used to be great promoting the albums, but I didn´t see him do any interviews aside from one for Classic Rock Magazine in 2013.
I think that Roth never gets the recognition he deserves, ESPECIALLY from his own band. He crafted a whole image for the band, changed the wardrobe, the lighting, the stage antics and fireworks. Eddie was quite the intovert on stage before he joined, and played with denim pants and white shirts. Granted, this has nothing to do with the music itself, but VH was never "just" about the music. They created a whole lifestyle and a whole new genre of "party band from California", which would be imitated by many, but reproduced by none. And in the 80´s all guys wanted to be Roth, and all girls wanted to sleep with him. He may not have the best vocals, but his banshee screams were quite cool, and he put a lot of effort into improving.
It´s hard to say what would have happened to "Mammoth" - the band that turned into VH - if Dave hadn´t joined. But if I was to guess, I think Eddie would evolve into a Jeff Beck kind of guy, with appeal only to other musicians and/or a VERY selective audience, not the gobal phenomenon he became.
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Dave WAS a total dick in the past, but he seems a lot more tame since he came back to VH. I remember an interview in the 80´s where he said "I try ro think of concept videos for Van Halen, but my drummer has a hard time understanding the concept". I could be wrong, but I think this was on the Late Night Show with David Letterman.
Here ya go. Go to 4:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWFokIw4sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWFokIw4sY)
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I remember Dave on Entertainment Tonight saying that Van Halen was a cross of religion in hockey. :lol
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Okay, so that makes:
-David Lee Roth is the player who talks a good game, but will never fight or has to have others fight for him (Kris Draper).
-Alex Van Halen is the goalie who sits back there minding his own business, but will occasionally hack at opponent's legs with his goal stick.
-Sammy Hagar is the player who skates around the ice all game having a good time and never bothering anybody and then goes out to a bar and gets laid every night.
-Michael Anthony is the fourth line player who is overlooked because he isn't the enforcer, but is the guy who nobody hates, even on the other teams.
-Eddie Van Halen is the chicken shit star who loves to jab at people with his stick when they aren't looking, but never wants to really get physical with anybody, and can get away with it because he is THE star (Sidney Crosby).
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I love you Kev.
Eddie = Crosby. :lol
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-Sammy Hagar is the player who skates around the ice all game having a good time and never bothering anybody and then goes out to a bar and gets laid every night.
Joe Thornton.
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-Eddie Van Halen is the chicken shit star who loves to jab at people with his stick when they aren't looking, but never wants to really get physical with anybody, and can get away with it because he is THE star (Sidney Crosby).
Are you sure that you're not from Cleveland? I've never seen this much Pittsburgh hatred outside of someone that's from Northern Ohio.
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:lol
There is no such thing a Columbus fan. :lol
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:lol
There is no such thing a Columbus fan. :lol
Oh, trust me. They're all around here. They're an interesting bunch :lol
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-Eddie Van Halen is the chicken shit star who loves to jab at people with his stick when they aren't looking, but never wants to really get physical with anybody, and can get away with it because he is THE star (Sidney Crosby).
Damn it Kev, even in the VH thread?! :lol
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-Eddie Van Halen is the chicken shit star who loves to jab at people with his stick when they aren't looking, but never wants to really get physical with anybody, and can get away with it because he is THE star (Sidney Crosby).
Damn it Kev, even in the VH thread?! :lol
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-Eddie Van Halen is the chicken shit star who loves to jab at people with his stick when they aren't looking, but never wants to really get physical with anybody, and can get away with it because he is THE star (Sidney Crosby).
Are you sure that you're not from Cleveland? I've never seen this much Pittsburgh hatred outside of someone that's from Northern Ohio.
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Hey now, I rooted for the Penguins in the finals this year. And in 2009, too! :coolio
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Hey now, I rooted for the Penguins in the finals this year. And in 2009, too! :coolio
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Dave WAS a total dick in the past, but he seems a lot more tame since he came back to VH. I remember an interview in the 80´s where he said "I try ro think of concept videos for Van Halen, but my drummer has a hard time understanding the concept". I could be wrong, but I think this was on the Late Night Show with David Letterman.
Here ya go. Go to 4:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWFokIw4sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWFokIw4sY)
I think that's too literal an interpretation. Knowing that Dave never answers a question seriously - EVER - if I'm Alex, I'm thinking "Dave being Dave" and laugh all the way to the bank. That comment doesn't make him a dick.
F*** this Penguins talk, go WHALE!
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I don't see that being a dick comment either; that is just Roth being his usual smart ass self in the 80s.
To slightly amend my statement, dick might not have been the right word to describe Roth. He is a certainly a pompous ass, which you almost have to be to act the way he always has both off and on stage. He's not an outright, vindictive dick like EVH, that's for sure.
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Balance turns 23 today. Released on January 24th 1995.
I find it to be one of their most underrated albums and one of my favorite Sammy era albums, and I love the Japanese exclusive Crossing Over. It's a dark and mature album and Eddie has a fantastic tone on this one. I would have loved to see where the band went had they not hated each other during the making of the album and subsequent tour, because this one saw them trending in a different direction (to me at least). Also, there's a lot of songs that were cut from this album that we'll never get to hear, although an instrumental version of a song became Can't Get This Stuff No More off of the Greatest Hits album.
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I like Balance a lot, but it hasn't aged as well for me as most of the other VH albums. In its quest to be a little bit of everything, to have, ya know, balance, it ended up lacking personality, for lack of a better term.
And when I first heard the album, I was convinced that Hagar had ruined his voice after touring for seemingly several years straight (on FUCK and then the live record). He still sounds a bit hoarse way too much on this record.
That said, I do like The Seventh Seal, Feelin' and Take Me Back all a lot.
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There's a lot of good stuff on the album, but it doesn't rate too high compared to the rest of the catalog, but that's just due to strength of Van Halen's music and not a shot at this album.
My favorites are Aftershock, Amsterdam, Cant Stop Loving You, Not Enough, Seventh Seal
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There's a lot of good stuff on the album, but it doesn't rate too high compared to the rest of the catalog, but that's just due to strength of Van Halen's music and not a shot at this album.
My favorites are Aftershock, Amsterdam, Cant Stop Loving You, Not Enough, Seventh Seal
This.
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Funnily enough, Balance is my favourte Van Halen record, and probably in my top-ten favourite records of all-time. Not only is every song fantastic, but the production on that record is fucking insane. Alex's kicks are tight, his toms are like rockets, and the snare is nice and poppy. Eddie has a nice, warm tone, especially on stuff like "Feelin'" and "Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do". This record doesn't get enough love, and I, too, would have loved to see where they would have gone after this record had Sammy hadn't split/gotten fired/whatever the hell happened there.
But then again, Hagar-era Van Halen is my favourite Van Halen, so perhaps I'm a little biased. Whose dick gotta get sucked for a proper Hagar-era reunion? Probably Eddie's...
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Funnily enough, Blalance is my favourte Van Halen record, and probably in my top-ten favourite records of all-time. Not only is every song fantastic, but the production on that record is fucking insane. Alex's kicks are tight, his toms are like rockets, and the snare is nice and poppy. Eddie has a nice, warm tone, especially on stuff like "Feelin'" and "Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do". This record doesn't get enough love, and I, too, would have loved to see where they would have gone after this record had Sammy hadn't split/gotten fired/whatever the hell happened there.
But then again, Hagar-era Van Halen is my favourite Van Halen, so perhaps I'm a little biased. Whose dick gotta get sucked for a proper Hagar-era reunion? Probably Eddie's...
I love that album too. Funny you mentioned Alex - when I bought this album, I thought "why isn´t anyone pointing out how awesome Alex sounds here?". I´m not an expert, but I think he´s done stuff on this album that you don´t see in any other VH release. Sammy reaches the stratosphere in Don´t Tell Me (What Love Can Do) too. In my opinion, their mistake on this album was to use two ballads as singles, and everyone thinks that´s all there is on the whole album. Oh, and this has one of the most underrated songs in their catalogue, Aftershock.
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The best songs are awesome, some of the best they ever did. Unfortunately, there's also a lot of weak material that ends up dominating the album and places it toward the bottom of their discography along with VHIII.
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I like Balance a lot, but it loses a bit of steam towards the end. Not necessarily because the songs are bad but the track order could be better, imo. My favorites are probably The Seventh Seal, Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do) and Feelin'. Funny enough I find the often praised Aftershock to be one of the weakest tracks of the Van Hagar records.
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Funny how when Balance was released, Eddie made a point of mentioning he was clean and sober after many years, and cut his hair by himself just to mark that change into sobriety. In his memoir, Sammy said that during the recording of that album, there was a hole in one of the walls at 5150 studios where Eddie kept his cocaine stashed...
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EVH has been my musical hero since 1984 was released. I just read that Satriani has been asking him to join the G3 tours for years, but Ed's not into it. That would be incredible to see.
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EVH has been my musical hero since 1984 was released. I just read that Satriani has been asking him to join the G3 tours for years, but Ed's not into it. That would be incredible to see.
That would blow the tour up, I'd totally see that. That last Van Halen tour was still one of the most packed concerts I've been to at my local amphitheater.
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EVH has been my musical hero since 1984 was released. I just read that Satriani has been asking him to join the G3 tours for years, but Ed's not into it. That would be incredible to see.
That would blow the tour up, I'd totally see that. That last Van Halen tour was still one of the most packed concerts I've been to at my local amphitheater.
Yeah, that would be amazing indeed. But Ed´s work ethic is crazy. He took months to record only three songs for their "Best Of" when Sammy returned in 2004. I think that he´s made a fortune selling the 5150 amp and his guitars, and now is just not interested in going on the road anymore.
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Hey, it's Eddie's birthday today!!!
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But then again, Hagar-era Van Halen is my favourite Van Halen, so perhaps I'm a little biased. Whose dick gotta get sucked for a proper Hagar-era reunion? Probably Eddie's...
Eh, I don't think that would be worth a damn anymore. The brothers clearly dislike Michael Anthony for God's know what reason, and Hagar would only do the reunion if he was a part of it, so you'd basically have them doing it for money with no real camaraderie. Those kind of reunions are rarely worth a damn.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12D7c5lNyLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12D7c5lNyLE)
Lost in Vegas reacting to Ain't Talkin' Bout Love. Needless to say, they love it. I love watching these guys react to music
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It was fun while it lasted, but I thought it was a long shot. Why would Anthony go back to a group of guys that treated him like shit the last 15 years? There's something brewing in Van Halen land though, that's for sure. It would have been cool to see the original lineup though, last time I saw them, the band was on fire musically, but Dave can't do anything, he just talks his way through songs.
I knew it was BS as soon as Trunk started talking about it. If Van Halen does announce a stadium tour, it would be interesting to see who they brought along to co-headline with or have open for them.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/michael-anthony-shoots-down-van-halen-reunion-rumors-i-havent-spoken-to-any-of-the-guys-since-2004/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/michael-anthony-shoots-down-van-halen-reunion-rumors-i-havent-spoken-to-any-of-the-guys-since-2004/)
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Recent pic of DLR:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/12/20/fashion/20ROTH-1/merlin_146207292_f2035296-16f4-4958-96f7-faceaa7e5634-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
:eek :eek :eek
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It's a bad day when Eddie Van Halen looks amazing compared to you :lol
He looks a lot like Terrence Stamp
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Oh wait, is that real?
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Imagine him now with the Woolly Mammoth boots? :lol
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Wow he looks old
I saw a Facebook event pop up for Van Halen and Foo Fighters at Yankee stadium and after some excitement I realized it was fake. Definitely a lot of chatter about a tour though.
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Wow he looks old
I saw a Facebook event pop up for Van Halen and Foo Fighters at Yankee stadium and after some excitement I realized it was fake. Definitely a lot of chatter about a tour though.
Even Roth hinted at something coming; the Michael Anthony thing was Trunk shooting his mouth off over something he "heard" from a source that had credible information in the past. Michael Anthony is not coming back to Van Halen. It's not like AC/DC reuniting with Johnson (there's rumors of that too, by the way) or Perry coming back to Aerosmith. Eddie is NOT firing his son for that.
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Recent pic of DLR:
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/12/20/fashion/20ROTH-1/merlin_146207292_f2035296-16f4-4958-96f7-faceaa7e5634-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
:eek :eek :eek
I hope those pants aren't ass-less!
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They're not as long as he's in them.
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(https://media1.tenor.com/images/5c78be9e9f44af08678543dec4eb4d7e/tenor.gif?itemid=7751093)
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They're not as long as he's in them.
Haha, I disagree with that, with every fibre of my being, but it's still very funny.
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They're not as long as he's in them.
Haha, I disagree with that, with every fibre of my being, but it's still very funny.
Oh I have no idea. Just too good a joke to pass up.
Honestly, based solely on the few interviews and stuff I've seen, the only person I'd say doesn't come off as a dick is Michael Anthony. But again, I don't know. Not a hardcore fan.
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Wow he looks old
I saw a Facebook event pop up for Van Halen and Foo Fighters at Yankee stadium and after some excitement I realized it was fake. Definitely a lot of chatter about a tour though.
Even Roth hinted at something coming; the Michael Anthony thing was Trunk shooting his mouth off over something he "heard" from a source that had credible information in the past. Michael Anthony is not coming back to Van Halen. It's not like AC/DC reuniting with Johnson (there's rumors of that too, by the way) or Perry coming back to Aerosmith. Eddie is NOT firing his son for that.
And then the next day Trunk is yelling, "Of COOURRRSEEE it was just a rumor!!!!!".
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Wow he looks old
I saw a Facebook event pop up for Van Halen and Foo Fighters at Yankee stadium and after some excitement I realized it was fake. Definitely a lot of chatter about a tour though.
Even Roth hinted at something coming; the Michael Anthony thing was Trunk shooting his mouth off over something he "heard" from a source that had credible information in the past. Michael Anthony is not coming back to Van Halen. It's not like AC/DC reuniting with Johnson (there's rumors of that too, by the way) or Perry coming back to Aerosmith. Eddie is NOT firing his son for that.
And then the next day Trunk is yelling, "Of COOURRRSEEE it was just a rumor!!!!!".
Good observation. :)
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Wow he looks old
I saw a Facebook event pop up for Van Halen and Foo Fighters at Yankee stadium and after some excitement I realized it was fake. Definitely a lot of chatter about a tour though.
Even Roth hinted at something coming; the Michael Anthony thing was Trunk shooting his mouth off over something he "heard" from a source that had credible information in the past. Michael Anthony is not coming back to Van Halen. It's not like AC/DC reuniting with Johnson (there's rumors of that too, by the way) or Perry coming back to Aerosmith. Eddie is NOT firing his son for that.
And then the next day Trunk is yelling, "Of COOURRRSEEE it was just a rumor!!!!!".
Good observation. :)
I wonder though...would MA ever go back to Van Halen if they wanted him back? I don't know much about the dude but he seems like he doesn't need the money so if he did it, he'd do it for the fans.
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Wow he looks old
I saw a Facebook event pop up for Van Halen and Foo Fighters at Yankee stadium and after some excitement I realized it was fake. Definitely a lot of chatter about a tour though.
Even Roth hinted at something coming; the Michael Anthony thing was Trunk shooting his mouth off over something he "heard" from a source that had credible information in the past. Michael Anthony is not coming back to Van Halen. It's not like AC/DC reuniting with Johnson (there's rumors of that too, by the way) or Perry coming back to Aerosmith. Eddie is NOT firing his son for that.
And then the next day Trunk is yelling, "Of COOURRRSEEE it was just a rumor!!!!!".
Good observation. :)
I wonder though...would MA ever go back to Van Halen if they wanted him back? I don't know much about the dude but he seems like he doesn't need the money so if he did it, he'd do it for the fans.
Well, and this is my opinion only, but I think he would in a heartbeat, but I agree with you, it wouldn't be for the money or the fame, it'd be because he in his heart believes it's the right thing to do for the fans. He just strikes me as that kind of guy.
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Well, and this is my opinion only, but I think he would in a heartbeat, but I agree with you, it wouldn't be for the money or the fame, it'd be because he in his heart believes it's the right thing to do for the fans. He just strikes me as that kind of guy.
Yeah he seems like a good guy. I've never heard of him bad-mouthing the Van Halen brothers or even bring up how badly he was treated by them.
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Yep, I think Anthony would definitely do it, simply for the sake of the band's legacy and giving the fans what they want (and the paycheck of course). I don't think the brothers or DLR give a damn about the band's legacy.
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Yep, I think Anthony would definitely do it, simply for the sake of the band's legacy and giving the fans what they want (and the paycheck of course). I don't think the brothers or DLR give a damn about the band's legacy.
Agreed about the fans but not sure what the "legacy" has to do with it. I said Anthony WOULD do it, but I'm not in agreement that somehow the brothers or Dave SHOULD do it. I like the Wolfie Van Halen, frankly, and am not on the "if it doesn't have Mike it's not legit" bandwagon at all.
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If they need anyone back in the band, it's Sammy. You might not like what VH did to Anthony and you might not like that they replaced him with his son and it's not longer the original band.... but Wolfgang can at least hold his own. He's likely a much better musician than Anthony and can add in the background vocals. He is not holding the band back... but DLR, he really just adds nothing being "original member" and jump kicks.
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If they need anyone back in the band, it's Sammy. You might not like what VH did to Anthony and you might not like that they replaced him with his son and it's not longer the original band.... but Wolfgang can at least hold his own. He's likely a much better musician than Anthony and can add in the background vocals. He is not holding the band back... but DLR, he really just adds nothing being "original member" and jump kicks.
Wolfgang may be a better musician but I think singing ability would be more important than who the better bass player is in this sort of band.
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and his singing ability is fine though, I think Michael had that classic background vocals that gave VH some signature sound but in the live show I saw, I felt like it wasn't missing that with Wolfgang. I'm not saying I like Wolfgang more or anything, just think if the aren't going to stick with the original line up, then don't stick with DLR either.
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and his singing ability is fine though, I think Michael had that classic background vocals that gave VH some signature sound but in the live show I saw, I felt like it wasn't missing that with Wolfgang. I'm not saying I like Wolfgang more or anything, just think if the aren't going to stick with the original line up, then don't stick with DLR either.
Yeah I've never been a fan of Roth. He had a cool voice on the albums but he was never really good live even back in the day and I don't know why his onstage antics appeal to so many fans.
I think Hagar's a way better singer but the problem is him singing the Roth-era stuff. Would he even do it? I'm more of a casual Van Halen fan so I don't know much about this but I always heard Hagar refused to sing those songs or if he did sing them it was only on rare occasions.
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I'm not sure Sammy would sing the DLR deep cuts but he sings the hit songs and I really enjoy his vocals on those songs. From their live album, Sammy singing Jump and Panama are awesome IMO. He did Unchained on the last tour he did with VH too which was awesome, one of the highlights from that show. I'd love to see Sammy sing some more DLR songs, but I am not sure if that's something he is willing to do.
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I'm not sure Sammy would sing the DLR deep cuts but he sings the hit songs and I really enjoy his vocals on those songs. From their live album, Sammy singing Jump and Panama are awesome IMO. He did Unchained on the last tour he did with VH too which was awesome, one of the highlights from that show. I'd love to see Sammy sing some more DLR songs, but I am not sure if that's something he is willing to do.
That's cool. It's something I've always wondered about but I guess I was too lazy to just look on YouTube. I've watched a couple concerts with Hagar but I don't remember him singing any of the Roth stuff.
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From what I've seen on youtube, Sammy sings all (or most) of the Roth hits, but I just assume Roth skips the Hagar songs.
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From what I've seen on youtube, Sammy sings all (or most) of the Roth hits, but I just assume Roth skips the Hagar songs.
Yea, Roth doesn't / can't do the Sammy songs. That's why I do think it would be cool for a best of both worlds type of show. Let each of them do thier own sets of their songs and everyone is happy.
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From what I've seen on youtube, Sammy sings all (or most) of the Roth hits, but I just assume Roth skips the Hagar songs.
Yea, Roth doesn't / can't do the Sammy songs. That's why I do think it would be cool for a best of both worlds type of show. Let each of them do thier own sets of their songs and everyone is happy.
Not a reply to you, personally, Cram, but just continuing the thought... I don't think it's "can't", but I definitely think it's "won't". Sammy is a great singer, no doubt, and when I saw them (OU812 tour) it was a killer show (though Eddie was just starting to show the effects of his antics around that time). But as good as Sam is, you can't tell me that Black and Blue is THAT hard a song to sing. Yeah, it may sound different (Roth's range is said to be five octaves, but the bottom two are basically unusable for a Sammy-era VH song, and I don't think Dave can reliably hit the top one any more).
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Roth's range is said to be five octaves
:rollin "Said" by who?
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I dont know, maybe DLR "can" sing much better than he actually does, and I'm sure the reality is that he "won't" more so than "can't" but I do have a hard time believing he "could" if he "wanted" to. At least in a way that sounds good.
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Roth's range is said to be five octaves
:rollin "Said" by who?
Back in the day that wouldn't surprise me at all, but we're not talking about being able to sing consistently at those ranges. More like being able to occasionally belt out a squeal hear and a groan there. I've seen YT videos pointing these things out, but it's usually a "whoooh-hooo" up real high and a "baby" down real low.
Doesn't matter. At this point the dude doesn't even have a 5 note range.
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And I've got no problem with the picture. The dude looks older than his 64 years, but he's maintaining his style and doesn't look awful. A whole lot of famous people have done worse.
(https://i.iheart.com/v3/re/new_assets/5b96990bfe6a54e3f8c19d57)
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Roth's range is said to be five octaves
:rollin "Said" by who?
Yea, as Barto stated, I would assume those people mean those high squeal things he does. Not actual singing. He's not singing in those ranges, he's basically whistling. I'm not counting that. His actual singing range appears rather limited.
I've watched bits and pieces of youtube clips of him in the past 10 years, and he seems mostly to talk his way through songs with Eddie and whoever's playing bass (Mike or Wolf) doing much of the actual singing singing parts.
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And I've got no problem with the picture. The dude looks older than his 64 years, but he's maintaining his style and doesn't look awful. A whole lot of famous people have done worse.
(https://i.iheart.com/v3/re/new_assets/5b96990bfe6a54e3f8c19d57)
He looks much better here, I think it's the picture itself that makes him look bad (the other picture, not yours). Like the angle and the lighting on his face to make him look super old. And also considering the drug use and the way he lived his life, he does look fine.
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Roth looks a lot better than some of these other older rockers who dye their hair jet black. Just makes 'em look older.
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Roth's range is said to be five octaves
:rollin "Said" by who?
Yea, as Barto stated, I would assume those people mean those high squeal things he does. Not actual singing. He's not singing in those ranges, he's basically whistling. I'm not counting that. His actual singing range appears rather limited.
Oh, okay. Yeah, if that's what people are talking about, I can understand the mistake. But he's never had anywhere close to an actual 5 octave range. That isn't to say he was a bad singer. But yeah, nowhere near what was claimed.
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Roth's range is said to be five octaves
:rollin "Said" by who?
Yea, as Barto stated, I would assume those people mean those high squeal things he does. Not actual singing. He's not singing in those ranges, he's basically whistling. I'm not counting that. His actual singing range appears rather limited.
Oh, okay. Yeah, if that's what people are talking about, I can understand the mistake. But he's never had anywhere close to an actual 5 octave range. That isn't to say he was a bad singer. But yeah, nowhere near what was claimed.
I think it's fair to say he could sing things in five octaves, and as I understand it some of those squeal things were from a proper head voice, but that doesn't make him a five octave singer. He wasn't.
He looks much better here, I think it's the picture itself that makes him look bad (the other picture, not yours). Like the angle and the lighting on his face to make him look super old. And also considering the drug use and the way he lived his life, he does look fine.
I think the first picture of Roth looking ancient was intentional on his part. I think he was going for a serious kind of thing. And the wardrobe suits his style well. It's exactly what an elderly DLR should look like.
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Yea, the wardrobe had no part in my thoughts of him looking old though, that just seems like something DLR would wear. His face looks rough in that pic though. I think it's part lighting and part angle and part really just being old.
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Yep, I think Anthony would definitely do it, simply for the sake of the band's legacy and giving the fans what they want (and the paycheck of course). I don't think the brothers or DLR give a damn about the band's legacy.
Agreed about the fans but not sure what the "legacy" has to do with it. I said Anthony WOULD do it, but I'm not in agreement that somehow the brothers or Dave SHOULD do it. I like the Wolfie Van Halen, frankly, and am not on the "if it doesn't have Mike it's not legit" bandwagon at all.
Legacy in the sense that Michael Anthony probably knows many VH fans want to see a reunion tour of the original lineup and would do the tour for that reason. It would be a good way to end his tenure with the band as well.
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I love Dave.
This is a good interview (albeit dated now):
https://youtu.be/PFWYiUEaa3c
Here's the vocal thing; not suggesting he's Freddie Mercury by any stretch, but it's still interesting.
https://youtu.be/5lPdr7baBjI
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So... I was out shopping and as usual took a quick minute to glance at the upper layer of CDs in Walmart's bargain bin. Found Van Halen 1, 2, and 1984 each for $5 so I snagged them. I know most of 1 and 1984 but 2 is the most unfamiliar.
1 and 1984 both went 10x platinum and 2 went 5x. Crazy.
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Van Halen II has some great tunes!
Light Up The Sky
Outta Love Again
DOA
Bottoms Up!
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Bottoms Up came on my random shuffle on my drive home the other night, such a fun awesome song that I hadn't heard in awhile :yarr
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I am still not sure why it took II so long to really grab me, but it is definitely pretty great. Light Up the Sky is so good.
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Light Up the Sky is so good.
Top 5 VH tune right there.
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Light Up the Sky is so good.
Top 5 VH tune right there.
:tup
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This is petty, but VHII always takes a back seat for "You're No Good". I generally like the VH covers - Diver Down is one of my favorite VH records - but that song is a sort of ruins the mood for me. Which is a shame, because side two of that record (most of my listening to that was on vinyl, Side A, Side B!) is all killer.
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I get that. You're No Good is a decent cover, but it was a very strange choice to be the first song on side 1 of their second album.
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https://eddietrunk.com/david-lee-roth-says-he-is-the-face-of-van-halen-from-this-point-on/
This isn't the only source for what I'm about to say (Eddie Trunk has alluded to rumors that he heard from a credible source that the summer stadium tour with Michael Anthony was postponed due to "illness (http://rockandrollgarage.com/journalist-says-van-halen-reunion-didnt-happen-due-to-member-disease/)", and there was a post earlier this year (https://sleazeroxx.com/eddie-van-halen-sighting/) with a picture of Eddie that seemed to indicate he had no hair, one sign of chemotherapy) but I think we're not long for bad news in the Van Halen camp. I hope and pray that that's not the case, but Van Halen is not that different than AC/DC in this regard, and certainly with AC/DC, no news is not always good news.
Roth is a weird guy, but he's no dummy, and I think even he has lines he won't cross. I think he's telling us a lot here.
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Yikes, yeah it does look like Eddie is going under treatment.
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https://entertainment.theonion.com/cia-admits-role-in-1985-coup-to-oust-david-lee-roth-1819577255?utm_campaign=The+Onion&utm_content=1588809001&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Z8rxRhL03Zxfc2GsUwodwFQnltXuaY3q7VIdDHITasQ2pkU_aa9UwVLI
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Haha... "Operation Diamondcutter"
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I listened to Van Halen II again today. I dig every track except Outta Love Again. Main reason why I dislike that song are vocal melodies that I find to be really terrible, esp. a very dumb chorus.
Light Up the Sky is probably my favorite tune on VH II.
What are your thoughts on VH II? What's your favorite and least favorite track?
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The first six Van Halen albums are my definition of hard rock. VH2 is a beast of an album and has some of Van Halen's heaviest tracks. Somebody Get Me a Doctor, Outta Love Again, Light up the Sky are all kick ass. I can see You're No Good having some mixed reactions, but I really like it.
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I'm not too keen on Woman In Love beyond the intro so I'd call that the least good song on VHII. Everything else is stellar.
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https://eddietrunk.com/david-lee-roth-announces-his-retirement-says-my-las-vegas-residencyare-my-last-five-shows/
I can't really make heads nor tails of what he's saying most of the time, but this is bad even for him. Lot of vague hints and innuendos that don't make a lot of sense.
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I meant to post about that earlier.
The way he talks, it sounds like he doesn't have a lot of time left. It is rare to hear Roth be that candid, so I suspect he is staring his mortality in the face. Granted, his voice was shot in the live environment many years ago and the expiration date for his on stage shtick was too far back now to even remember the date, but he's still a living legend in the rock world. Say what you want about David Lee Roth, but the man at his peak knew how to entertain fans and had an absolute blast in doing it.
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I've honestly been thinking about this a lot since I read that. For all Dave's schtick, he's exceedingly positive, and that wasn't that. I hope something isn't wrong with him. I'm a huge fan.
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I've honestly been thinking about this a lot since I read that. For all Dave's schtick, he's exceedingly positive, and that wasn't that. I hope something isn't wrong with him. I'm a huge fan.
Considering how physically active he was on stage for a long time with all of those kicks and jumping and whatnot, I'd be surprised if he is not currently dealing with some major back/hip issues. You can only abuse your body for so long before it gives you a receipt.
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That "... my time is probably even shorter ..." line could be just a casual remark or he is not telling us something.
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I've honestly been thinking about this a lot since I read that. For all Dave's schtick, he's exceedingly positive, and that wasn't that. I hope something isn't wrong with him. I'm a huge fan.
Usually, I can’t decipher wtf he’s talking about, but that sounds pretty clear for Dave. 😞
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That "... my time is probably even shorter ..." line could be just a casual remark or he is not telling us something.
I think his tone on those 6 minutes of audio is quite gloomy, unlike anything we've heard from him since 1978. I'm worried that his days are actually numbered, and that what he said is not a figure of speech.
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I am starting to wonder if there's some impact of what Gene Simmons said about him as well.
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Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
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Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
I will have to crank some Light Up the Sky on the way home here in a bit. :metal :metal
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Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
I will have to crank some Light Up the Sky on the way home here in a bit. :metal :metal
Or A Year To The Day.
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Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
I will have to crank some Light Up the Sky on the way home here in a bit. :metal :metal
I literally listened to Light Up The Sky two days ago. Top 5 VH tune for me.
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Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
I will have to crank some Light Up the Sky on the way home here in a bit. :metal :metal
I literally listened to Light Up The Sky two days ago. Top 5 VH tune for me.
Same here. :metal
Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
I will have to crank some Light Up the Sky on the way home here in a bit. :metal :metal
Or A Year To The Day.
:lol No. :P
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I literally listened to Light Up The Sky two days ago. Top 5 VH tune for me.
Up there for me too - got many more plays from me than any other song on VH2
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Hard to believe it has been a year. RIP EVH
I will have to crank some Light Up the Sky on the way home here in a bit. :metal :metal
Or A Year To The Day.
:lol No. :P
Fine, I’ll do it!
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Don't get me wrong, I like III more than most even though it is still 11th on my list of favorite VH albums (ahead of only Diver Down), but going for something from that for a tribute to EVH on an anniversary would be like celebrating a DT anniversary by turning on You Not Me or Constant Motion. :lol :P You go for the good stuff, not the bottom tier. :tup :tup
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Don't get me wrong, I like III more than most even though it is still 11th on my list of favorite VH albums (ahead of only Diver Down), but going for something from that for a tribute to EVH on an anniversary would be like celebrating a DT anniversary by turning on You Not Me or Constant Motion. :lol :P You go for the good stuff, not the bottom tier. :tup :tup
Nah, III is the good stuff!
But for good measure I listened to Light Up The Sky too. :-)
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Don't get me wrong, I like III more than most even though it is still 11th on my list of favorite VH albums (ahead of only Diver Down), but going for something from that for a tribute to EVH on an anniversary would be like celebrating a DT anniversary by turning on You Not Me or Constant Motion. :lol :P You go for the good stuff, not the bottom tier. :tup :tup
Nah, III is the good stuff!
But for good measure I listened to Light Up The Sky too. :-)
Listen to Fair Warning and OU812 as well, and you are on the right track. :hat :hat
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Doing some get ahead stuff on my Queen discography, and came across these pics last night
Brian May, Tony Iommi, and Eddie in 1978. Van Halen opened for Black Sabbath in Munich
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqfiNFvQTLIAOyijp0-yxdW54tD8Og4EF7DjtJF_Tq1vjre1Iyynvwkgvo_A0xsIKPusA&usqp=CAU)
And this one years later
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRGOblHlrWquam5X9rJj-DVcRDafeYFbOq_rZCiZEvabCPJjymMLQltR0SOOTD5tcz8LSk&usqp=CAU)
I know Brian and Tony have appeared on stage together. Eddie played guitar with Brian on an EP in '83.
Tony and Eddie ever join forces?
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Doing some get ahead stuff on my Queen discography, and came across these pics last night
Brian May, Tony Iommi, and Eddie in 1978. Van Halen opened for Black Sabbath in Munich
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqfiNFvQTLIAOyijp0-yxdW54tD8Og4EF7DjtJF_Tq1vjre1Iyynvwkgvo_A0xsIKPusA&usqp=CAU)
And this one years later
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRGOblHlrWquam5X9rJj-DVcRDafeYFbOq_rZCiZEvabCPJjymMLQltR0SOOTD5tcz8LSk&usqp=CAU)
I know Brian and Tony have appeared on stage together. Eddie played guitar with Brian on an EP in '83.
Tony and Eddie ever join forces?
Eddie wrote this riff and played on the album, but wasn't credited: https://youtu.be/FsISkgC9ndE
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Thank you.
And thanks for the link. Good tune. :tup
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https://blabbermouth.net/news/van-halens-lost-singer-mitch-malloy-celebrates-eddie-van-halens-musical-legacy-unchained-multi-camera-video
Gotta wonder "what if....?"
What if they would've continued with Mitch after the "reunion" appearance with DLR in 1996?
What if they would've discovered Mitch after DLR left in 1985 and he replaced DLR instead of Sammy? The guy is clearly in better shape than DLR and could do the material justice. Would VH have continued in a similar vein to what they had with DLR or would they still have gone the more "mature" route that they ended up going in with Sammy? We'll never know but it's an interesting thing to speculate about!
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https://blabbermouth.net/news/van-halens-lost-singer-mitch-malloy-celebrates-eddie-van-halens-musical-legacy-unchained-multi-camera-video
Gotta wonder "what if....?"
What if they would've continued with Mitch after the "reunion" appearance with DLR in 1996?
What if they would've discovered Mitch after DLR left in 1985 and he replaced DLR instead of Sammy? The guy is clearly in better shape than DLR and could do the material justice. Would VH have continued in a similar vein to what they had with DLR or would they still have gone the more "mature" route that they ended up going in with Sammy? We'll never know but it's an interesting thing to speculate about!
He was a much better fit than Cherone, no doubt about it. But what ruined the band at the time was Eddie's continuing alcoholism, and the musical direction he chose to take on VH III. That was an Eddie Van Halen solo project, much more so than a band effort, and the end result is not that great.
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So... Mitch Malloy replaced some dude in Great White, and then was replaced by Andrew Freeman. What happened to Jack Russel?
The whole thing sounds pathetic. So now he's in a VH tribute band? That's worse.
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So... Mitch Malloy replaced some dude in Great White, and then was replaced by Andrew Freeman. What happened to Jack Russel?
The whole thing sounds pathetic. So now he's in a VH tribute band? That's worse.
Since he left the band, Jack has been touring as "Jack Russell's Great White". I know, lame.
Mitch recorded Panama with Van Halen, and one more song which would become "That's Why I Love You". This was done for VH III but was cut in the last minute.
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So... Mitch Malloy replaced some dude in Great White, and then was replaced by Andrew Freeman. What happened to Jack Russel?
The whole thing sounds pathetic. So now he's in a VH tribute band? That's worse.
I saw Andrew Freeman front Last In Line; he's good. But I'm a Jack Russell guy (vocally). As a person he's a mess and a half, but my god can that man sing.
But yes, the whole "Great White" saga is pretty pathetic.
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So... Mitch Malloy replaced some dude in Great White, and then was replaced by Andrew Freeman. What happened to Jack Russel?
The whole thing sounds pathetic. So now he's in a VH tribute band? That's worse.
Mark Kendall talks about it a bit https://blabbermouth.net/news/great-whites-mark-kendall-says-reuniting-with-jack-russell-was-never-a-consideration-for-us-to-go-back-to-that-it-just-feels-dark (https://blabbermouth.net/news/great-whites-mark-kendall-says-reuniting-with-jack-russell-was-never-a-consideration-for-us-to-go-back-to-that-it-just-feels-dark) After what they've done with Terry Illous and now Mitch Malloy, I'm inclined to think it's more than just "Jack is in bad shape and we don't want to revisit that..."
I've seen some videos of Russel lately and he is bad physical shape, but his voice is definitely still there. Sad.
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Finally!
https://store.rhino.com/en/rhino-store/artists/van-halen/the-collection-ii-5cd/603497832217.html
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As I see it, the only "real" rarity is Crossing Over. And even that was released before.
And I wonder if they were able to make the bass on OU812 more audible. That record is the only one that had some issues with the sound in it's original form imo.
But even if they did, that's is not enough for me to buy the whole thing.
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Well, I think all Hagar songs on Best of Vol.1 and The Best of Both Worlds really improved a lot - so I'm very happy with the remaster of all the albums. But I also think that the final solution for OU812 would be remix it, no doubt.
Interesting that a bit after the release of Balance, I bought a second hand japanese edition for a nice price, that has Crossing Over, so, in my very especific case, also it's not much of a rarity for me.
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As I see it, the only "real" rarity is Crossing Over. And even that was released before.
And I wonder if they were able to make the bass on OU812 more audible. That record is the only one that had some issues with the sound in it's original form imo.
But even if they did, that's is not enough for me to buy the whole thing.
It'd be kind of nice to have all of those on one CD, but honestly, I have all that. And it's kind of... I don't know, cheating to say that A Apolitical Blues and Baluchitherium are "rarities"; I have those both on the original CD releases.
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Exactly. My guess is that they went with what had been the original vinyl running orders. I have them all too btw, including those on the Twister soundtrack.
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I never knew that they were left off of the vinyl. A Apolitical Blues sure has the feel of a bonus song, but not a rarity and Baluchiterium for me was always a regular album song.
And those three songs from Best Of Both Worlds aren't exactly rare either. I bet that a lot of people who bought that compilation did it mainly, because they wanted to hear those songs (me included). Not that they were really great.
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As I see it, the only "real" rarity is Crossing Over. And even that was released before.
And I wonder if they were able to make the bass on OU812 more audible. That record is the only one that had some issues with the sound in it's original form imo.
But even if they did, that's is not enough for me to buy the whole thing.
It'd be kind of nice to have all of those on one CD, but honestly, I have all that. And it's kind of... I don't know, cheating to say that A Apolitical Blues and Baluchitherium are "rarities"; I have those both on the original CD releases.
Yeah, I was thinking that to myself as well :lol
I can't say I care for the release, but for those who want these, that's great. I'm a big Van Hagar fan so releasing this is good for folks like myself. I don't think I've ever heard Crossing Over though. I also already have the Best of Both worlds CD. (for the reason Kwyjibo stated).
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As I see it, the only "real" rarity is Crossing Over. And even that was released before.
And I wonder if they were able to make the bass on OU812 more audible. That record is the only one that had some issues with the sound in it's original form imo.
But even if they did, that's is not enough for me to buy the whole thing.
It'd be kind of nice to have all of those on one CD, but honestly, I have all that. And it's kind of... I don't know, cheating to say that A Apolitical Blues and Baluchitherium are "rarities"; I have those both on the original CD releases.
I also thought including those 2 songs as rarities very forced.
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The vinyl box set are all single LP records, OU812, FUCK and Balance are all over 50 mins, thus too many grooves and lower quality.
Kind of defeats the remastering for 'better' sound by squashing the music on to two sides of vinyl.
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I must say that Respect The Wind is a really beautiful and great instrumental. Good to see it included here.
There's rumours that Eddie left behind a shitload of tapes with ideas, licks, riffs, whatever, that he recorded in his studio over the years. I always imagine, that some instrumental pieces, like the above mentioned, could be on there and if someone would dig through those tapes and release some of the more worked out ideas, that would get my blood pumping.
But maybe it's all just rough sketches and some noodling, that isnt that interesting.
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I must say that Respect The Wind is a really beautiful and great instrumental. Good to see it included here.
There's rumours that Eddie left behind a shitload of tapes with ideas, licks, riffs, whatever, that he recorded in his studio over the years. I always imagine, that some instrumental pieces, like the above mentioned, could be on there and if someone would dig through those tapes and release some of the more worked out ideas, that would get my blood pumping.
But maybe it's all just rough sketches and some noodling, that isnt that interesting.
I'd love if Wolfie did something like that, but he seems to want to carve his own path and not rely on his father's work. Maybe one day that changes. I just have to think the people who have access to these would be limited meaning someone like Wolfie would be the only one who could do such a thing.
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At one point, he even made an announcement where he pretty much blasted the fan community for treating him as if it was his duty to release that material. He was really upset because he feels like he doesn’t “owe” the fans anything, and he was pretty sick of the entitled attitude.
I’m sure he might cool his jets and decide something sees the light of day at some point, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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I think Wolfie was recently quoted as saying his dad released everything he wanted to release while he was alive so there may not be anything else coming. He did make it sound like it was more up to Alex than him as far as what gets released under the VH name though.
Here is the quote:
AllMusic: Are there any updates as to if/when you may be going through your father's vault of unreleased music?
Van Halen: "As far as that, Al is certainly the decision maker in that process. I'm just kind of there to help him decide and help what he wants to go through – as sort of being the person in place of my father, in his absence. But when it comes to that, I know my dad was vocal of that in the past, he released everything he wanted to release. So, when it comes to stuff that hit the cutting room floor, that would certainly have to be a serious conversation to have – if anything is actually worth releasing. So, we'll just have to see. I certainly wouldn't hold your breath."
https://bravewords.com/news/wolfgang-van-halen-on-opening-up-eddie-van-halen-s-vault-of-unreleased-music-i-know-my-dad-was-vocal-of-that-in-the-past-he-released-everything-he-wanted-to-release#
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That box kinda seems like a ripoff to me. When I bought the Van Hagar albums on CD, I got them at Wal Mart for $5 each, pretty sure those are still in print and if not they are easily found at a used CD store. Same with the "rarities." That Best of Both Worlds is still easy to find and if you really want Humans Being on CD I'm sure you can find the Twister soundtrack no problem. Also songs from the main albums as they were released on CD and are currently available on streaming do not qualify as rarities. :lol
Crossing Over is probably the only thing that would be challenging to find. If nothing else, this just kinda shows how dry the well is for archival Van Halen stuff. I guess they could at least include some unreleased live tapes or something with this. $50 is pretty silly for what is primarily bargain bin albums though.
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Count me in the group that thinks these are a silly money-grab.
It's cool that some of these records are being reissued on vinyl. I've been waiting for For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge on vinyl for years. But guess I'll have to wait until they eventually release them all individually. I'm sure it'll be a bit down the line.
But these rarities are not..."rarities" for all the reasons already stated by many of you above. Even "Crossing Over," I nabbed that CD single a few years back at the local record store for cheap. It's cool that they are going on vinyl (but I did note that one of the Sammy 2004 tracks is not on the vinyl - so watch that), but all this is, is a money-grab that the label is doing because Wolfgang is starting to really make a name for himself. When he played the old VH stuff at the Taylor Hawkins tribute, it set off a firestorm. And the label is cashing in.
I'll pass, and continue patiently waiting for For Unlawful on vinyl...
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Agree to some degree but don't think the entire idea of reissues / remasters is purely a money grab, fans of the Hagar era have been complaining and asking for these for years.
What I do think is a money grab is only releasing them as a box set which obviously returns a big chunk of coin from the outset but unfair for fans that can't afford to buy them like that or only need one or two records to complete their original collections...
Personally on the fence as am also only needing a couple these and agree these rarities are far from being rare.
All that said would happily just settle for remastered 5150 and OU812 CDs as those I've been waiting on for a long time. Hopefully they sound improved \m/
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I have all VH records, I had them on vinyl, then bought them on cd. The only one I would maybe buy again is OU812 when the remix/remaster is a vast improvement in sound, but even then it has to be at a reasonable price.
No use for a boxset at all.
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Do you know if this box set has only the covers and CDs? From the pictures, it seems like that it won't have any booklet of the albums.
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The Roth box is about £16 now. When the price of the Hagar box drops below about £25 I’ll get this.
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The Roth Box set has booklets?
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No the Roth set is cardboard sleeve only, no booklet.
Most of these type of box sets that I have are all the same no booklets and minimal bare bones packaging.
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Thanks! So I guess the Hagar set will be the same way.
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Seeing Wolfie live tonight.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CxyhrDC3/20230812-185906.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLXYLDFc)
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Try and stay awake.
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Try and stay awake.
I'm a fan of Mammoth WVH, but his opening set for Metallica last week kind of got lost upon the crowd. Performing before Pantera and Metallica just didn't seem to be the right spot for him. I enjoyed it, but didn't seem like the few that were there to see it were into it (well its a stadium so even though it looked empty for his set, Im sure there were still more than if they did a headline set).
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VH DONNINGTON 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6U5Cv7YJ0M&t=1060s
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Try and stay awake.
I'm a fan of Mammoth WVH, but his opening set for Metallica last week kind of got lost upon the crowd. Performing before Pantera and Metallica just didn't seem to be the right spot for him. I enjoyed it, but didn't seem like the few that were there to see it were into it (well its a stadium so even though it looked empty for his set, Im sure there were still more than if they did a headline set).
I saw Mammoth WVH, three times, this year playing main support for Alter Bridge and I and everyone in the crowd in those shows really liked them. This might sound arrogant, but I feel like them playing support to a band like Alter Bridge or Sevendust in theaters and music halls is going to do a lot more long-term in gaining more fans than opening for a Metallica, GNR, or Pantera kind of band in stadiums.
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Try and stay awake.
I'm a fan of Mammoth WVH, but his opening set for Metallica last week kind of got lost upon the crowd. Performing before Pantera and Metallica just didn't seem to be the right spot for him. I enjoyed it, but didn't seem like the few that were there to see it were into it (well its a stadium so even though it looked empty for his set, Im sure there were still more than if they did a headline set).
I saw Mammoth WVH, three times, this year playing main support for Alter Bridge and I and everyone in the crowd in those shows really liked them. This might sound arrogant, but I feel like them playing support to a band like Alter Bridge or Sevendust in theaters and music halls is going to do a lot more long-term in gaining more fans than opening for a Metallica, GNR, or Pantera kind of band in stadiums.
Maybe, I do think their sound more closly aligns with Alter Bridge than Metallica. Mammoth has their headlining tour coming up this fall and they are playing the same venue they coheadlined wtih Dirty Honey last year so it'll be interesting to see if they draw more people this time around.
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VH DONNINGTON 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6U5Cv7YJ0M&t=1060s
I saw this on youtube. This is tremendous footage.
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VH DONNINGTON 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6U5Cv7YJ0M&t=1060s
I saw this on youtube. This is tremendous footage.
it sure is bro
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...aaaaand it's gone.
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...aaaaand it's gone.
Damn, that's unfortunate. I watched some the other day and it was awesome but I didnt have time to actually pay attention and watch it all.
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I watched a different link this morning. I can’t link it now.
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It reinforced how I always found them a kinda awkward goofy live act. I know Im in the minority on that
Im sure someone will again try to post that whole show
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RWTD this will give ya feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jXGZrsc6Y
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It reinforced how I always found them a kinda awkward goofy live act. I know Im in the minority on that
Im sure someone will again try to post that whole show
The one thing I did watch (since a comment linked a timestamp to it) was Dave moonwalking. Definitely a bit of a goofy act. But, for me at least, a good goofy in a fun way, but it can be over the top and even just watching it now, there's definitely some cringe due to aging. I bet it was awesome if you saw it live though.
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It reinforced how I always found them a kinda awkward goofy live act. I know Im in the minority on that
Im sure someone will again try to post that whole show
The one thing I did watch (since a comment linked a timestamp to it) was Dave moonwalking. Definitely a bit of a goofy act. But, for me at least, a good goofy in a fun way, but it can be over the top and even just watching it now, there's definitely some cringe due to aging. I bet it was awesome if you saw it live though.
well it was a ton fun and amazing childhood memories and it was just crazy times...but much like Aerosmith back then they were to me a sloppy act.
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It reinforced how I always found them a kinda awkward goofy live act. I know Im in the minority on that
Im sure someone will again try to post that whole show
The one thing I did watch (since a comment linked a timestamp to it) was Dave moonwalking. Definitely a bit of a goofy act. But, for me at least, a good goofy in a fun way, but it can be over the top and even just watching it now, there's definitely some cringe due to aging. I bet it was awesome if you saw it live though.
well it was a ton fun and amazing childhood memories and it was just crazy times...but much like Aerosmith back then they were to me a sloppy act.
Dave always has seemed sloppy and I guess the drugs/alcohol played a role with the rest of the band?
As much as I enjoyed the 2008 show with Sammy, when I rewatch the video on youtube it's a train wreck of a performance. I have an old bootleg DVD that was also a pretty sloppy performance. Some of it I don't mind though, if I'm entertained that is.
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The link in this article still works for me:
https://www.loudersound.com/news/van-halen-donington-1984-video
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It reinforced how I always found them a kinda awkward goofy live act. I know Im in the minority on that
Im sure someone will again try to post that whole show
The one thing I did watch (since a comment linked a timestamp to it) was Dave moonwalking. Definitely a bit of a goofy act. But, for me at least, a good goofy in a fun way, but it can be over the top and even just watching it now, there's definitely some cringe due to aging. I bet it was awesome if you saw it live though.
well it was a ton fun and amazing childhood memories and it was just crazy times...but much like Aerosmith back then they were to me a sloppy act.
Dave always has seemed sloppy and I guess the drugs/alcohol played a role with the rest of the band?
As much as I enjoyed the 2008 show with Sammy, when I rewatch the video on youtube it's a train wreck of a performance. I have an old bootleg DVD that was also a pretty sloppy performance. Some of it I don't mind though, if I'm entertained that is.
agreed fun shows good times...
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The link in this article still works for me:
https://www.loudersound.com/news/van-halen-donington-1984-video
Yup! Thank you!
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Holy shit, I'm watching the Donnington footage today. Man, what a gift this is.
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I think it's gone now.... ;(
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I think it's gone now.... ;(
Yeah, I looked and looked last night, and it definitely go pulled. Bummer.
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I know there's a lot of bootlegs out there, but here's the Buffalo show from the MOR '88 tour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XElOHOzK9L8
Such a great live band.
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Today is October 6, it's three years since EVH passing.
I'll never forget when someone at work msg me with the news and I was numb with sadness.
Today is also the release of the VH Collection II box set of the remastered Hagar era albums.
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how about this Sammy Hagar « best of all worlds » tour with Satriani, Anthony and Bonham? Apparently they’re going deep into the Van Halen catalog on this one wich is why Sammy brought Satch aboard.
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how about this Sammy Hagar « best of all worlds » tour with Satriani, Anthony and Bonham? Apparently they’re going deep into the Van Halen catalog on this one wich is why Sammy brought Satch aboard.
Saw that. Might be interesting. Kind of shocked me to see that Sammy is 76. My dad is 75, and it’s hard to imagine anybody touring and playing a high energy concert at his age!
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I think it's cool that he's doing it, but his voice has definitely changed over the last 20 years and I don't know if I'd want to see him sing some of the songs that they're advertising on the poster, even though he has continued to play many of them since then. I think I'm happy knowing I saw VH in 2004 and Sammy in 05 and 07, when he was younger.
Michael Anthony will sing the DLR-era songs that they play - he's done that before with his Mad Anthony Express band.
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https://youtu.be/HGLcU81H8o4?si=mjsuFRQ8zwsGFJnW
The band performance on Howard Stern. There are another more 4 or 5 songs. Really good!
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I considered getting tickets for that, which went on sale this week for the show here, but didn't pull the trigger. I know you have to go in knowing that it's not Van Halen, but I saw the clips on Stern and while Satriani is obviously excellent, it just sounded weird hearing those songs with a guitarist who is clearly not Eddie Van Halen. And I don't buy the "we are going deep into the VH catalogue" line; I'll believe that when I see it (or read about it :lol). It probably means they will play a couple of deep cuts and then the rest will all be standards plus a handful of Sammy solo songs.
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I love that they are doing this. I am going to try to get to a show.
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maybe they’ll throw in a few chickenfoot songs too
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I’m the most casual of VH fans but since 5150 is my favorite of theirs, I think I might actually check this out.
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Bummed there is not a Philly show. I would definitely see this.
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and I’m really hoping for more canadian dates than just Toronto. Montreal or Quebec city would be great.
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https://youtu.be/HGLcU81H8o4?si=mjsuFRQ8zwsGFJnW
The band performance on Howard Stern. There are another more 4 or 5 songs. Really good!
It is good. Jason is really starting to look like his dad; maybe it's the beard. Sam is still great, but you can hear a bit the age in his voice. Not a bad thing, just an observation.
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Except Jason is 57 where John only made it to 32. Maybe this is what John would have looked like...
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https://youtu.be/HGLcU81H8o4?si=mjsuFRQ8zwsGFJnW
The band performance on Howard Stern. There are another more 4 or 5 songs. Really good!
It is good. Jason is really starting to look like his dad; maybe it's the beard. Sam is still great, but you can hear a bit the age in his voice. Not a bad thing, just an observation.
Sammy is great for his age, no doubt! Also keep in mind that the band was just starting to rehearse the songs.
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Sammy's voice was clearly aged two summers ago when I last saw him. I'm excited for the tour, but I kind of don't get the hype. Satriani is a better guitarist than Vic Johnson IMO but doesn't really change things. Of course I'd like to see the show in NJ next summer, but I dont get the feeling it's something truly special or different than what Sammy has been doing for 20 years now.
Although I've seen recently that DLR has taken the offer. If he's involved that makes it a much more unique and interesting show even if I think he will likely suck live.
I guess I also don't care for Michael Anthony lead vocals. I know he can do it, he did somebody get me a doctor in the 2005 (the reunion tour with Sammy, not sure if that's the year) tour and I didn't care for it then, likely won't care for it now. Same with him singing Ain't Talkin About Love. I'd actually prefer Sammy just do the leads for the DLR songs if DLR himself isn't there.
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https://youtu.be/HGLcU81H8o4?si=mjsuFRQ8zwsGFJnW
The band performance on Howard Stern. There are another more 4 or 5 songs. Really good!
It is good. Jason is really starting to look like his dad; maybe it's the beard. Sam is still great, but you can hear a bit the age in his voice. Not a bad thing, just an observation.
Sammy is great for his age, no doubt! Also keep in mind that the band was just starting to rehearse the songs.
I wasn't going to mention it, because I didn't want to seem like I was shitting all over it, when just the opposite, I'm pretty psyched by this, but no fucking way this was "never rehearsed" when there is an entire keyboard sequencer throughout the song. Am I wrong?
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Sammy's voice was clearly aged two summers ago when I last saw him. I'm excited for the tour, but I kind of don't get the hype. Satriani is a better guitarist than Vic Johnson IMO but doesn't really change things. Of course I'd like to see the show in NJ next summer, but I dont get the feeling it's something truly special or different than what Sammy has been doing for 20 years now.
Although I've seen recently that DLR has taken the offer. If he's involved that makes it a much more unique and interesting show even if I think he will likely suck live.
I guess I also don't care for Michael Anthony lead vocals. I know he can do it, he did somebody get me a doctor in the 2005 (the reunion tour with Sammy, not sure if that's the year) tour and I didn't care for it then, likely won't care for it now. Same with him singing Ain't Talkin About Love. I'd actually prefer Sammy just do the leads for the DLR songs if DLR himself isn't there.
Marc, I'm with you all around. I'd go see this, but this isn't ground-breaking (and I always wonder what Vic thinks of the constantly shifting guitar spot; I do agree Satch is a better all around guitar player than Vic is, but we're not creating here, we're REPLICATING, and Vic has done just fine playing Eddie's stuff all along.
I'm with you too on Michael Anthony's lead vocals; honestly, I even think the BACKING vocals are overrated live. I've seen both (he and Wolfie) and honestly I couldn't tell the difference mostly; if anything, Wolfie was BETTER, because at times Michael on his own loses some of the blend that is on the studio stuff and so to me it sounds out of place (you can hear that a bit on the Stern clip). I'm not in the camp that thinks MA sucks - I saw him with Chickenfoot in a 1,000 seat club, and he's a WAY better bass player than Eddie gave him credit for - but I don't think he's the "magic sauce" that a lot of people think he is vocally. I'd way rather hear Sammy sing those songs, or, when it's the originals, Dave.
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I guess the reason for the hype is supposed to be (according to Sammy) that they’ll perform a lot of VH songs he doesn’t usually do when he’s been on tour as « Sammy Hagar and the Circle » but yeah someone said up a few posts, that remains to be seen how much of a thing that’s really gonna be.
But as someone who’s never seen VH or Sammy Hagar live I’d love to see this.
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I guess the reason for the hype is supposed to be (according to Sammy) that they’ll perform a lot of VH songs he doesn’t usually do they’ve been on tour as « The Circle » but yeah someone said up a few posts, that remains to be seen how much of a thing that’s really gonna be.
But as someone who’s never seen VH or Sammy Hagar live I’d love to see this.
This is the closest to a VH show that I'll attend (never have seen them live) so I'll take whatever they do.
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I guess the reason for the hype is supposed to be (according to Sammy) that they’ll perform a lot of VH songs he doesn’t usually do they’ve been on tour as « The Circle » but yeah someone said up a few posts, that remains to be seen how much of a thing that’s really gonna be.
But as someone who’s never seen VH or Sammy Hagar live I’d love to see this.
This is the closest to a VH show that I'll attend (never have seen them live) so I'll take whatever they do.
And you both should love it; there's no debate: Sammy delivers live. If that's your impetus (i.e. the closest thing to VH), I'd go in a heartbeat.
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Ok…color me shocked.
I figured there was a 1% chance of Alex joining in…but zero chance DLR would green light anything.
Now granted…right now it’s just an answer in an interview and thus not an official agreement, but I think it’s fairly surprising he made the statement at all.
https://planetradio.co.uk/planet-rock/news/rock-news/david-lee-roth-sammy-hagar-tour/?fbclid=IwAR0Hu--LQauZqsRkC-vJnzhciVYDYxoVS_cUkkv-ZUw70aCnRpQc645RUiM_aem_AQK4qY4vFh5L9pNNPhd5LwBFWT1-6O-d1HTA4hh_sRGZ8jqDFDOQYB04HTL8metQctc
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I guess the reason for the hype is supposed to be (according to Sammy) that they’ll perform a lot of VH songs he doesn’t usually do when he’s been on tour as « Sammy Hagar and the Circle » but yeah someone said up a few posts, that remains to be seen how much of a thing that’s really gonna be.
But as someone who’s never seen VH or Sammy Hagar live I’d love to see this.
Yes, supposedly they're going "deep" into the VH back catalog - and that's what they're selling this tour on. And Sammy's been saying something like, and I'm paraphrasing "If you're gonna go deep into the Van Halen Catalog, you need Joe Satriani". So that's their sales pitch on what differentiates this from what Sammy's been doing for 20 years..
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Ok…color me shocked.
I figured there was a 1% chance of Alex joining in…but zero chance DLR would green light anything.
Now granted…right now it’s just an answer in an interview and thus not an official agreement, but I think it’s fairly surprising he made the statement at all.
https://planetradio.co.uk/planet-rock/news/rock-news/david-lee-roth-sammy-hagar-tour/?fbclid=IwAR0Hu--LQauZqsRkC-vJnzhciVYDYxoVS_cUkkv-ZUw70aCnRpQc645RUiM_aem_AQK4qY4vFh5L9pNNPhd5LwBFWT1-6O-d1HTA4hh_sRGZ8jqDFDOQYB04HTL8metQctc
I love the album cover thingy at the end of the article!
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https://youtu.be/HGLcU81H8o4?si=mjsuFRQ8zwsGFJnW
The band performance on Howard Stern. There are another more 4 or 5 songs. Really good!
It is good. Jason is really starting to look like his dad; maybe it's the beard. Sam is still great, but you can hear a bit the age in his voice. Not a bad thing, just an observation.
Sammy is great for his age, no doubt! Also keep in mind that the band was just starting to rehearse the songs.
I wasn't going to mention it, because I didn't want to seem like I was shitting all over it, when just the opposite, I'm pretty psyched by this, but no fucking way this was "never rehearsed" when there is an entire keyboard sequencer throughout the song. Am I wrong?
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I understood that they had started rehearsing recently, having played the songs very few times, but having already played them. With the keyboard programming for sure.
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https://youtu.be/HGLcU81H8o4?si=mjsuFRQ8zwsGFJnW
The band performance on Howard Stern. There are another more 4 or 5 songs. Really good!
It is good. Jason is really starting to look like his dad; maybe it's the beard. Sam is still great, but you can hear a bit the age in his voice. Not a bad thing, just an observation.
Sammy is great for his age, no doubt! Also keep in mind that the band was just starting to rehearse the songs.
I wasn't going to mention it, because I didn't want to seem like I was shitting all over it, when just the opposite, I'm pretty psyched by this, but no fucking way this was "never rehearsed" when there is an entire keyboard sequencer throughout the song. Am I wrong?
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I understood that they had started rehearsing recently, having played the songs very few times, but having already played them. With the keyboard programming for sure.
Check out the looks that Joe gives to Michael and Jason on those 4 or 5 songs they played - looking for cues on certain moments of the songs - that to me means they barely rehearsed those songs.
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Ok…color me shocked.
I figured there was a 1% chance of Alex joining in…but zero chance DLR would green light anything.
Now granted…right now it’s just an answer in an interview and thus not an official agreement, but I think it’s fairly surprising he made the statement at all.
https://planetradio.co.uk/planet-rock/news/rock-news/david-lee-roth-sammy-hagar-tour/?fbclid=IwAR0Hu--LQauZqsRkC-vJnzhciVYDYxoVS_cUkkv-ZUw70aCnRpQc645RUiM_aem_AQK4qY4vFh5L9pNNPhd5LwBFWT1-6O-d1HTA4hh_sRGZ8jqDFDOQYB04HTL8metQctc
Hagar responded:
https://imgur.com/Ph88Deo
It feels like Roth called Sammy's bluff. Sammy likes to drop the big names, Alex and DLR, to get more headlines and make it seem like he wants everyone to be there and get along, but he obviously has no real intention of wanting to be on a tour again with Roth. And I thought it was common knowledge by now that Alex hates Sammy, yet Sammy continues to drop the comments about reaching out to him.
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To be fair I think Sammy never said that DLR should tour with them. If he wanted that, he would have contacted Dave before putting the band together and announcing the tour dates.
It was (imo) nothing more than an invitation to join them on stage when they play near where Dave lives and play maybe one or two songs together. Would be cool if that happened.
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I guess the reason for the hype is supposed to be (according to Sammy) that they’ll perform a lot of VH songs he doesn’t usually do when he’s been on tour as « Sammy Hagar and the Circle » but yeah someone said up a few posts, that remains to be seen how much of a thing that’s really gonna be.
But as someone who’s never seen VH or Sammy Hagar live I’d love to see this.
Yes, supposedly they're going "deep" into the VH back catalog - and that's what they're selling this tour on. And Sammy's been saying something like, and I'm paraphrasing "If you're gonna go deep into the Van Halen Catalog, you need Joe Satriani". So that's their sales pitch on what differentiates this from what Sammy's been doing for 20 years..
I went back and watched each of the Stern clips... man I got goosebumps watching them just fall into place on '5150'. And they're clearly having fun; that's Van fucking Halen, man. FUN. If you're not having fun doing it, then why bother?
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I'll have to check on location, scheduling, and price, but I'd consider seeing this. No way I'd see something similar with Roth though. Even in my teens in the '80s, I thought Roth's antics were childish and embarrassing. Never really saw the attraction. Sammy's version of VH, on the other hand, was gold.
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Even in my teens in the '80s '70's :lol, I thought Roth's antics were childish and embarrassing. Never really saw the attraction.
facts!
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At this point, I'm strictly a fan of the Roth years, including the reunion album they did with WVH on bass. When I first got into the band, 25 years ago, I enjoyed some of the songs from the Hagar years to a point, but I don't think that portion of the catalogue has held up very well (with a few exceptions - the instrumental only tracks for 5150 and Humans Being). Whereas a significant portion of the Roth years have largely held up, at least for me. The Hagar era lyrics are often poor/sappy (way overuse of "love," "time will tell if we stand the test of time," etc...) and the music is a lot less interesting to my ears.
I will agree that Roth's onstage and public antics were (and are to this day) often way over the top and embarrassing to watch. Very cringe worthy when you watch interviews or old concert footage. Some of that leaked onto the albums to an extent, but not enough to detract from my listening experience.
To each their own though, as I always say. I just don't see the appeal of this with Eddie no longer being here. Isn't this just a slightly different version of what Sammy has been doing for the past 20 years? Now with Chickenfoot 2.0 playing Van Halen/Hagar solo songs.
As far as them playing "deep cuts," I seem to recall Sammy claiming they would during the ill-fated 2004 reunion and it didn't really materialize. I guess it remains to be seen to what extent that will be the case. Does something like "Summer Nights" count as a deep cut? And I assume they are talking solely from the Van Hagar era. I can't imagine them whipping out something like Light Up the Sky or Girl Gone Bad, unless we're again talking one song per concert sung by Michael Anthony.
That being said, I'd feel the same way if Roth was fronting this (even if Alex was involved). I have no interest in watching him (poorly sing at this point) a bunch of Van Halen songs for the millionth time. Especially without Eddie.
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Here's what Sammy played when I saw him in 2022....
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sammy-hagar-and-the-circle/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-13b429c9.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sammy-hagar-and-the-circle/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-13b429c9.html)
I can see them dropping most of the Sammy solo songs for the "deep cut" VH tracks. But honestly, there's just not a lot of room in the setlist without removing the Sammy VH hit songs, which I don't see happening. I'd guess they play one Chickenfoot song and maybe leave the one LZ song for Jason too. That gives maybe 5-7 more VH songs. (I doubt they drop ALL of Sammys songs, I cant Drive 55 and maybe Theres Only One Way to Rock or Mas Tequila stay).
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Just looking at the tour announcement on Sammy's site www.redrocker.com (http://www.redrocker.com) gives you 21 songs that will be played, most of them the usual suspects.
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I'll have to check on location, scheduling, and price, but I'd consider seeing this. No way I'd see something similar with Roth though. Even in my teens in the '80s, I thought Roth's antics were childish and embarrassing. Never really saw the attraction. Sammy's version of VH, on the other hand, was gold.
Never saw Sammy aside from some video clips, so can't really comment on him, but totally agree about Roth. Only saw him once in 1991 (ironically Extreme was the opener with Cinderella in the main support/special guest slot) but I was very disappointed by what I saw in comparison to all these rave reviews about what an awesome frontman he was blah blah blah. Once was enough. Comparatively speaking, I also remember hearing about Bruce Dickinson for many years beforehand, and when I finally saw Maiden in 2000, he totally lived up to the hype. To this day, I would say he's the best frontman I've ever seen live. So people can live up to expectations.
Here's what Sammy played when I saw him in 2022....
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sammy-hagar-and-the-circle/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-13b429c9.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sammy-hagar-and-the-circle/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-13b429c9.html)
I can see them dropping most of the Sammy solo songs for the "deep cut" VH tracks.
That's actually a really good, balanced (no pun intended) set, although it looks a bit short judging by what I assume is the general length of each song. How long was the show and what other bands/artists were on the bill?
I know Sammy and Michael are getting up there in years, but I would hope they'd put on at least a 2 hour show for this upcoming tour given all the material that could be included.
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My guess is this.
A 20-song setlist (and that includes two spots for solos from Bonham and Satriani). Lots of production.
VH tunes - 14
Chickenfoot - 1
Sammy solo - 2
Zepp - 1
Satriani guitar solo
Bonham drum solo
That's pretty much what I'm expecting. With maybe two of the VH songs being from the DLR era. 12 or 13 Sammy era tracks, with maybe three being "deeper" cuts like "Seventh Seal" or tunes VH didn't do much. The rest are the standard Sammy era hits.
It's fine with me. When I saw VH in 2004, EVH was horrendous. Could barely stand, drunk off his ass. I was so disappointed. Seeing Sammy solo several times after that was cool, but not quite the same, even when Mikey joined him and replaced Mona as Sammy's bass player. So this tour, for me, is hopefully the Van Halen send-off I hope it is.
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Just looking at the tour announcement on Sammy's site www.redrocker.com (http://www.redrocker.com) gives you 21 songs that will be played, most of them the usual suspects.
and more....
I don't know exactly what that means though. I doubt they do more than 20 songs in a given night. Maybe they will rotate some songs. I think Sammy actually did that during the last tour I referenced. It wasn't much, but a few songs rotation.
Here's what Sammy played when I saw him in 2022....
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sammy-hagar-and-the-circle/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-13b429c9.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sammy-hagar-and-the-circle/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-13b429c9.html)
I can see them dropping most of the Sammy solo songs for the "deep cut" VH tracks.
That's actually a really good, balanced (no pun intended) set, although it looks a bit short judging by what I assume is the general length of each song. How long was the show and what other bands/artists were on the bill?
I know Sammy and Michael are getting up there in years, but I would hope they'd put on at least a 2 hour show for this upcoming tour given all the material that could be included.
There was one opener, George Thorogood, and there's one opener for next year, Loverboy. George had 45 minutes and I expect the same from Loverboy. Sammy's set may have been 90 minutes. Not sure, but it was a typical headline set. Nothing more or less if I recall. I would expect the exact same. They are old, I don't expect 2 hours or more.
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45 minutes is a good set time for George Thorogood. I'm assuming the set was:
Bad to the Bone
Move it on Over
Who do you Love?
I Drink Alone
One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer (approx. 30 min. extended jam version)
Bad to the Bone (again)
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You basically got it plus a couple more, https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/george-thorogood-and-the-destroyers/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-3b429c3.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/george-thorogood-and-the-destroyers/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-3b429c3.html)
Funny enough, I saw Loverboy this past summer, do maybe 45 minutes as well, opening for Foreigner. Here was their set, which I'd guess would be similar to next year: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/loverboy/2023/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-5ba2a784.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/loverboy/2023/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-5ba2a784.html)
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You basically got it plus a couple more, https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/george-thorogood-and-the-destroyers/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-3b429c3.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/george-thorogood-and-the-destroyers/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-3b429c3.html)
Geez. Never been a Thorogood fan, but I never realized how many of his "hits" were actually just covers. :facepalm:
Besides that, talk about nostalgia act (although Loverboy's right up there, too).
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You basically got it plus a couple more, https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/george-thorogood-and-the-destroyers/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-3b429c3.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/george-thorogood-and-the-destroyers/2022/pnc-bank-arts-center-holmdel-nj-3b429c3.html)
Geez. Never been a Thorogood fan, but I never realized how many of his "hits" were actually just covers. :facepalm:
Besides that, talk about nostalgia act (although Loverboy's right up there, too).
Oh for sure, but I mean, so is Sammy Hagar.
Honestly, that show wasn't packed at all. I do wonder since there seems to be a lot more hype around this next tour, if the turn out will be better.
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I don’t think Sammy has ever played more than a handful of DLR era material. Ain’t Talking about Love, Jump, Panama…..maybe a couple others
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I don’t think Sammy has ever played more than a handful of DLR era material. Ain’t Talking about Love, Jump, Panama…..maybe a couple others
He did You Really Got Me, and Unchained on VERY selected dates in his first tenure with VH. On the 2004 reunion tour he did a few more - Running with the Devil and Somebody Get Me a Doctor, although the latter was sung by Michael Anthony and he only joined in the chorus.
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They should get Gary to come and sing Dave's songs. And some of Gary's songs while they are at it. Or maybe just Gary's songs.
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If the Loverboy set is similar, and the Sam set is similar, I'm in as Flynn to those shows. That's a great night out with some great music.
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I don’t think Sammy has ever played more than a handful of DLR era material. Ain’t Talking about Love, Jump, Panama…..maybe a couple others
He did You Really Got Me, and Unchained on VERY selected dates in his first tenure with VH. On the 2004 reunion tour he did a few more - Running with the Devil and Somebody Get Me a Doctor, although the latter was sung by Michael Anthony and he only joined in the chorus.
I loved Unchained with Sammy
They should get Gary to come and sing Dave's songs. And some of Gary's songs while they are at it. Or maybe just Gary's songs.
On one of Sammy's live albums I have, Gary is a guest on a song and they both sing When It's Love Together. I've got to imagine Gary may show up at a show if possible.
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Every now and then I dust off my copy of Van Halen III and play it, thinking I might have missed something. Every time, the result is the same: it still sucks. The only song worth listening to is Fire in the Hole.
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Every now and then I dust off my copy of Van Halen III and play it, thinking I might have missed something. Every time, the result is the same: it still sucks. The only song worth listening to is Fire in the Hole.
Once and From Afar are also good, IMO, although very un-VH-like. But other than that, the album is tripe.
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I don’t care how VH like it is, VH III is the most musically interesting VH album. It’s great.
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Every now and then I dust off my copy of Van Halen III and play it, thinking I might have missed something. Every time, the result is the same: it still sucks. The only song worth listening to is Fire in the Hole.
Once and From Afar are also good, IMO, although very un-VH-like. But other than that, the album is tripe.
I disagree. It just needs a real producer to reign Eddie in. Not a friend.
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It's not even that it's un-VH. It just plain sucks straight out.
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Wrong. Eddie was allowed to do what he wanted. It's well known that Eddie works parts but needs guidance to structure a song. He had no one to tell him otherwise.
Do you even Van Halen?
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
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REO looked good though. It went in progression as good, better, great.
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We didn't stay for REO. :lol :lol
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I saw Loverboy 16 or 17 year ago and they were old then.
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We didn't stay for REO. :lol :lol
WTF! :lol
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We didn't stay for REO. :lol :lol
WTF! :lol
The concert was on a Friday night, it was hot, and IIRC my brother and I had both had rough work weeks, so by the time Styx was done, we were both like, "Let's go." We both like REO, but we were there for Styx, plus the venue was packed, and neither of us wanted to be up till 1 am (that venue can sometimes take an hour to get out of the parking lot when it is that packed). We both made an old man decision. :lol :lol
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
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(https://i.imgur.com/un3BppJ.jpg)
And even that was a couple years ago.
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(https://i.imgur.com/un3BppJ.jpg)
And even that was a couple years ago.
did he wear the red leather pants? : )
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
im kinda shocked they sounded just fine go figure
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
im kinda shocked they sounded just fine go figure
They sound live and raw, which I love, but still, sound a bit old to me on vocals. I also think Sammy sounds pretty old on the vocals too. Overall, definitely thought they were a solid classic rock opener. My only negative is that I just saw them so I'd rather another band open, but that is no fault of anyone but myself going to so many shows.
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Loverboy is a great band and a great choice for an opener. This "new" version of Van Halen is obviously the last version of the band that will play live, so I'm all for it. Joe Satriani and EVH are my two favorite guitarists of all time, so my interest in this is high.
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
im kinda shocked they sounded just fine go figure
They sound live and raw, which I love, but still, sound a bit old to me on vocals. I also think Sammy sounds pretty old on the vocals too. Overall, definitely thought they were a solid classic rock opener. My only negative is that I just saw them so I'd rather another band open, but that is no fault of anyone but myself going to so many shows.
I never cared for Loverboy even a little bit, so it's unfair for me to comment on them. But as for Sammy, yeah, he does sound old, but still credibly carries the songs. At this stage in life, he's kind of like Bruce Dickinson (and, no, I'm not saying he's on Bruce's level) in that, yes, his voice sounds tired and worn at times, and he sounds like an older singer, but still has a ton of energy and power and is able to inject his vocal performances with a level of that energy and power that still sells the songs well, even though they of course don't sound like they did in the '80s.
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
im kinda shocked they sounded just fine go figure
They sound live and raw, which I love, but still, sound a bit old to me on vocals. I also think Sammy sounds pretty old on the vocals too. Overall, definitely thought they were a solid classic rock opener. My only negative is that I just saw them so I'd rather another band open, but that is no fault of anyone but myself going to so many shows.
agreed I was just talking about that RAW sound that is missing often I saw Aerosmith in Philly and UBS before Tylers injury and they were soooooooo great and so RAW and it was such a great show UBS far better than Philly... and then I was watching Kiss who ive gone to many times over the years( along with Aerosmith ) and the last shows seemed so piped in and it lost the charm...
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
im kinda shocked they sounded just fine go figure
They sound live and raw, which I love, but still, sound a bit old to me on vocals. I also think Sammy sounds pretty old on the vocals too. Overall, definitely thought they were a solid classic rock opener. My only negative is that I just saw them so I'd rather another band open, but that is no fault of anyone but myself going to so many shows.
agreed I was just talking about that RAW sound that is missing often I saw Aerosmith in Philly and UBS before Tylers injury and they were soooooooo great and so RAW and it was such a great show UBS far better than Philly... and then I was watching Kiss who ive gone to many times over the years( along with Aerosmith ) and the last shows seemed so piped in and it lost the charm...
Yeah, Aerosmith in 2022 was really good for me. Sure, old sounding, what do you expect? But I just love when a band is completely live and you can hear and feel that. I'll take a struggling live performance any day over backing track perfect sounding show. (and I don't think anyone was struggling in the examples given here)
Another older band I saw last year, Jefferson Starship, was incredible. Sure they sounded old, they are! But they also were pretty damn good and I will give credit to anyone who is over the age of 80 and out there performing well.
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^ Where did you see Jefferson Starship? I bet that was a good show.
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^ Where did you see Jefferson Starship? I bet that was a good show.
They opened for Bret Michaels last summer. Yeah, I enjoyed their opening set.
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It's not even that it's un-VH. It just plain sucks straight out.
Yeah, I recall that it is a very rough and jarring listen. I don't like the Hagar era songs or albums, but I don't find the songs completely unlistenable like I do with respect to the tracks on VH3. I absolutely can't stand Gary's (or Ed's on How Many Say I) singing on the album either. I have revisited it a few times over the years, but it has only strengthened my initial opinion. Fortunately, I never purchased this album.
Crazy to think Van Halen only released one studio album after VH3 along with a couple of additional Van Hagar tracks. I do still enjoy "A Different Kind of Truth," so I'm happy we got something along with a few tours with DLR. It just could have been so much more. Then again, maybe that was all this crew was capable of producing post VH3 when you consider how dysfunctional they appeared to be.
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I'm not a fan of Gary Cherone's voice to begin with. I respect him and his talent, but he's not the first really good singer to not resonate with me.
ADKOT was surprisingly good.
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Crazy to think Van Halen only released one studio album after VH3 along with a couple of additional Van Hagar tracks. I do still enjoy "A Different Kind of Truth," so I'm happy we got something along with a few tours with DLR. It just could have been so much more. Then again, maybe that was all this crew was capable of producing post VH3 when you consider how dysfunctional they appeared to be.
Considering ADKoT was also a lot of old unreleased songs, you are probably right that they just weren't capable of making VH music anymore for whatever reason.
ADKOT was surprisingly good.
Yeah, it's solid.
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III is not un-VH-like. That is what Van Halen sounded like in 1998.
Also, I don't see Loverboy being the opener as being a good thing on Sammy's tour. We saw them open for Styx last year, and they sounded older than they looked...and they looked OLD.
Yeah Loverboy sounded and looked pretty old last summer Loverboy - The Kid Is Hot Tonite LIVE @ PNC Bank Arts Center Holmdel NJ 9/3/2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8eHjHI1Sc)
im kinda shocked they sounded just fine go figure
They sound live and raw, which I love, but still, sound a bit old to me on vocals. I also think Sammy sounds pretty old on the vocals too. Overall, definitely thought they were a solid classic rock opener. My only negative is that I just saw them so I'd rather another band open, but that is no fault of anyone but myself going to so many shows.
agreed I was just talking about that RAW sound that is missing often I saw Aerosmith in Philly and UBS before Tylers injury and they were soooooooo great and so RAW and it was such a great show UBS far better than Philly... and then I was watching Kiss who ive gone to many times over the years( along with Aerosmith ) and the last shows seemed so piped in and it lost the charm...
Yeah, Aerosmith in 2022 was really good for me. Sure, old sounding, what do you expect? But I just love when a band is completely live and you can hear and feel that. I'll take a struggling live performance any day over backing track perfect sounding show. (and I don't think anyone was struggling in the examples given here)
Another older band I saw last year, Jefferson Starship, was incredible. Sure they sounded old, they are! But they also were pretty damn good and I will give credit to anyone who is over the age of 80 and out there performing well.
I agree bro give me raw and authentic If I want to hear it sound like the record Ill play the records at home... I want a LIVE show and to see real stars
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ADKOT was surprisingly good.
I was so happy when it didn't suck and was actually good. I was very worried going into that release. Wish they had played a few more of the tracks live, "As Is" is the first one of those that comes to mind. I still listen to the album fairly often.
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ADKOT was surprisingly good.
I was so happy when it didn't suck and was actually good. I was very worried going into that release. Wish they had played a few more of the tracks live, "As Is" is the first one of those that comes to mind. I still listen to the album fairly often.
It was my AOTY in 2012, and my third favorite VH record in our recent poll.
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Agree ADKOT was surprisingly good particularly after first single Tattoo which turned out okay as an album cut but yeah...
Why though is it not available on streaming services?
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Agree ADKOT was surprisingly good particularly after first single Tattoo which turned out okay as an album cut but yeah...
Why though is it not available on streaming services?
Wolfie talked about that; I think it's a combination of things, but ultimately falls down to Alex and Dave not seeing eye-to-eye and not LOVING the record in hindsight. That's what I took from the discussion.
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Agree ADKOT was surprisingly good particularly after first single Tattoo which turned out okay as an album cut but yeah...
Why though is it not available on streaming services?
Wolfie talked about that; I think it's a combination of things, but ultimately falls down to Alex and Dave not seeing eye-to-eye and not LOVING the record in hindsight. That's what I took from the discussion.
Thats odd. It seems pretty well received. But I understand theres likely a lot of complications between these guys.
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I would have thought that it's mostly the record company that decides what's on those streaming services.
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I would have thought that it's mostly the record company that decides what's on those streaming services.
In this case, it's apparently Dave holding things up.
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I would have thought that it's mostly the record company that decides what's on those streaming services.
In this case, it's apparently Dave holding things up.
Probably, but I find it interesting that he has the right(s) to do this. Especially when everything else is on there.
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It took awhile to warm up to the "Tattoo" song. But after that track, ADKOT was pretty kick ass. Not sure how many songs were from the 70's, but it was a much better album than I expected. Haven't played it in quite some time though.
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Tattoo is probably the worst song, but it's still solid. But when I heard the solo back then, I thought, yeah, Eddie's stil got it. :metal
The rest of that record is really really good, much better than I expected. And it still holds up for me, just spun it recently.
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It took awhile to warm up to the "Tattoo" song. But after that track, ADKOT was pretty kick ass. Not sure how many songs were from the 70's, but it was a much better album than I expected. Haven't played it in quite some time though.
Off the top of my head 6 or 7 are from the 70's and "Blood and Fire" is from Ed's "Ripley" instrumental from 1984. Hey, whatever, it ended up being a great idea. Besides, CVH always revisited/reworked older material. For example, House of Pain on 1984 dates back to the mid 70's.
My favorites are She's the Woman (probably my #1 from ADKOT), You and Your Blues, Blood and Fire, As Is, Honeybabysweetiedoll, and Outta Space. Least, but still enjoyable, are Tattoo, Big River, and Beats Workin'.
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Awesome thanks :metal
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It took awhile to warm up to the "Tattoo" song. But after that track, ADKOT was pretty kick ass. Not sure how many songs were from the 70's, but it was a much better album than I expected. Haven't played it in quite some time though.
Off the top of my head 6 or 7 are from the 70's and "Blood and Fire" is from Ed's "Ripley" instrumental from 1984. Hey, whatever, it ended up being a great idea. Besides, CVH always revisited/reworked older material. For example, House of Pain on 1984 dates back to the mid 70's.
My favorites are She's the Woman (probably my #1 from ADKOT), You and Your Blues, Blood and Fire, As Is, Honeybabysweetiedoll, and Outta Space. Least, but still enjoyable, are Tattoo, Big River, and Beats Workin'.
By my reckoning, you have it right. And the upshot is, if you listen to the demos of the songs that originated early on, they do it in the same tempo and the same key. And you're right; Ed did this their entire career. By some accounts, a third of "Balance" was (musically) material that was around as far back as when Roth was in the band.
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So, score one for Stadler!!! I have tickets to see Wolfie at Toad's Place in New Haven - a 700 seat club - with Nita Strauss opening up. I am BEYOND pumped. I've wanted to see Wolfie for a while (I LOVE the first album) but I'm not going to see him open a stadium show. I was jealous of... I think it was Cram that saw him at a club in Los Angeles; this isn't quite the same, but close!
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So, score one for Stadler!!! I have tickets to see Wolfie at Toad's Place in New Haven - a 700 seat club - with Nita Strauss opening up. I am BEYOND pumped. I've wanted to see Wolfie for a while (I LOVE the first album) but I'm not going to see him open a stadium show. I was jealous of... I think it was Cram that saw him at a club in Los Angeles; this isn't quite the same, but close!
I had tickets to see him at Whiskey A Go Go while I was on a business trip in LA but someone got covid or something and they postponed it to a time when I would not be in LA. I sold it for a nice buck though.
I have seen Wolfie many times now though including on the first leg of the tour you are about to see just a few weeks ago. He played locally at a 2k GA venue that was basically sold out. He said it was his biggest headlining show to date (I have it on video, and you can see it in his eyes that I think he is telling the truth). If you haven't checked it out yet, his second album is pretty good too. I may like it more than the first.
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I trust your judgment on that; I'll pick it up and give it a listen (I really liked the first one). I haven't been this pumped for a new artist/band since Rival Sons. And I'm really jazzed for Nita, after seeing Alice Cooper for the first time a couple weeks ago. She SLAYS.
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So, score one for Stadler!!! I have tickets to see Wolfie at Toad's Place in New Haven - a 700 seat club - with Nita Strauss opening up. I am BEYOND pumped. I've wanted to see Wolfie for a while (I LOVE the first album) but I'm not going to see him open a stadium show. I was jealous of... I think it was Cram that saw him at a club in Los Angeles; this isn't quite the same, but close!
Nice! That should be a good show.
Although, if I'm being honest, I would be more excited to see Nita Strauss than Wolfie.
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I thought Nita was a bit of a letdown IMO. Of course she's amazing on guitar, but I didn't care for her singer that tours with her. Band was solid, and I even like some of her solo songs she did, but I just struggled to really enjoy it that night almost entirely because of the vocalist.
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The next video will be with MP (Modern Drummer tribute to Alex VH):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ViAYK1BU0&t=197s
This one with Ray is amazing, specially for people that love OU812.
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The video with Ray was great. He's a beast of a drummer and really broke down Al's parts in a way that was easy to follow along with. A lot of Al's parts/feel seem deceptively easy...but they are not.
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Dave doesn't care for Wolfie:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/david-lee-roth-wolfgang-van-halen-youtube-attacks-1234953442/
Shocker.
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Dave doesn't care for Wolfie:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/david-lee-roth-wolfgang-van-halen-youtube-attacks-1234953442/
Shocker.
While I’ve seen DLR act like a pompous ass for the better part of the last 6 decades, he usually spins it in such a way that makes him appear to smell like a rose.
This is the first thing I’ve seen him do that is BLATANTLY on the “low road” side of the equation.
I’ve rolled my eyes at him plenty over the years, but this is the first time I’ve ever been seriously annoyed and disappointed with him.
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I'm sure Wolfgang give a fuck what DLR thinks.
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I'm sure Wolfgang give a fuck what DLR thinks.
Wolfie is admittingly cordial with him, I agree. I think Wolfie knows Dave well enough to know he's full of it.
Not that I'm saying DLR is wrong here, what do I know? Maybe Wolfie did have some lady accountants kicked out. Either way, it's not really a good look for DLR to start talking about it now.
He also was saying some crazy stuff about Sammy and aliens? I didn't read that news last week, just brushed it off, but it makes me think DLR is losing it a bit more than we realized.
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Happy Birthday, Ed. I'd like to think you are proudly smiling down on Wolf's success.
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Dave doesn't care for Wolfie:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/david-lee-roth-wolfgang-van-halen-youtube-attacks-1234953442/
Shocker.
It's paywalled. What's the gist?
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It's free to me and I have never had a Rolling Stone account.
Anyway, Louder can give you the details.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/david-lee-roth-attack-wolfgang-van-halen
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It's free to me and I have never had a Rolling Stone account.
Anyway, Louder can give you the details.
https://www.loudersound.com/news/david-lee-roth-attack-wolfgang-van-halen
The podcast he put out before that, blasting Sammy, Ed and Al was way worse. I mean…it was bad.
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40-odd years of frustrations that he can talk openly about.
Get it all off his chest without having to be diplomatic.
I get it.
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Heh, I really like this.
“If JUMP by Van Halen Was Written For Millennials (Acoustic Alt-Pop Indie Rock Cover)”
https://youtu.be/-aMTR2_u4Uo?si=oQ6o82GYuengEaoE
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Heh, I really like this.
“If JUMP by Van Halen Was Written For Millennials (Acoustic Alt-Pop Indie Rock Cover)”
https://youtu.be/-aMTR2_u4Uo?si=oQ6o82GYuengEaoE
That is fantastic. I actually prefer that to the original.
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https://bravewords.com/news/alex-van-halen-to-release-autobiography-this-october
Interesting.
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VERY interesting
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I'm in.
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VERY interesting
It'll certainly be that. No idea what else it'll be. The dude spent large parts of his career blackout drunk and almost completely incapable of functioning. He's also 100% loyal to his brother (and rightly so, if we're being honest), so we shouldn't be expecting much objectivity. But yeah, it'll be interesting.
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I expect it to be a very trashy piece of Eddie and Alex propaganda. Still interested though.
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I expect it to be a very trashy piece of Eddie and Alex propaganda. Still interested though.
I agree. Can't imagine much objectivity in this one.
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I expect it to be a very trashy piece of Eddie and Alex propaganda. Still interested though.
I agree. Can't imagine much objectivity in this one.
Me three
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Are any of these "objective", though? Is that why we're reading it?
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Heh, I really like this.
“If JUMP by Van Halen Was Written For Millennials (Acoustic Alt-Pop Indie Rock Cover)”
https://youtu.be/-aMTR2_u4Uo?si=oQ6o82GYuengEaoE
Wow...that's awful. The original isn't great, but it's fun, and this takes all the fun out of it.
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Heh, I really like this.
“If JUMP by Van Halen Was Written For Millennials (Acoustic Alt-Pop Indie Rock Cover)”
https://youtu.be/-aMTR2_u4Uo?si=oQ6o82GYuengEaoE
Wow...that's awful. The original isn't great, but it's fun, and this takes all the fun out of it.
Sure the original is very of its time but Millennials can keep this, I'll stick with the original thanks! :lol
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Are any of these "objective", though? Is that why we're reading it?
Well of course we want to hear a person's story when reading their biography, but as Mosh described it, when it's a propaganda piece, it's hard to believe any of it as truthful. Might as well read a fiction story instead. Of course, there will always be some measure of bias and it is from a person's specific perspective, but it would be easy for them to knowingly include fabricated or purposefully exaggerated stories and unless we know otherwise, have to take it at face value. Put it this way, I don't think he's ever released one, but if he has or if he ever does, I'd never bother reading a biography from DLR for that very reason. I'm sure there will be more accuracy in Alex's biography, but the question is how much?
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If DLR ever wrote a biography, it would probably have to be released in 3 volumes.
Literally the only guy in rock history where Hit Parader magazine had to release a “double issue!!!” every time they interviewed him.
I will say that I always thought that his interviews made an entertaining read. Even though he could be long winded, he was never boring. However I don’t think his schtick would carry an entire autobiography.
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I was almost certain there was a DLR book called Crazy From the Heat. It might be kind of old though.
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Yep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_from_the_Heat_(book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_from_the_Heat_(book))
Heh, I really like this.
“If JUMP by Van Halen Was Written For Millennials (Acoustic Alt-Pop Indie Rock Cover)”
https://youtu.be/-aMTR2_u4Uo?si=oQ6o82GYuengEaoE (https://youtu.be/-aMTR2_u4Uo?si=oQ6o82GYuengEaoE)
I'm not entirely sure what band(s) he's trying to emulate here, I don't think bass solos are common anywhere in that orbit. I enjoyed that addition to it though. I like a lot of Melton's pop-punk and emo covers, making them generally much more listenable than the originals. So I much prefer his voice to DLR's, but EVH's Oberheim synth intro, solo, and the guitar solo on the original are too iconic to be ignored.
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I was almost certain there was a DLR book called Crazy From the Heat. It might be kind of old though.
There absolutely was. It wasn't bad, it wasn't good, it was Dave.
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I have that actually. It made me laugh a lot.
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I am very much looking forward to Alex's book. It'll be what it is. Alex had a very unique seat...older brother to a guy who literally changed the way millions of people approached guitar. Alex was no slouch himself on the drums, but as the older brother, watching the kid brother as a prodigy, I am sure it will be a very cool perspective on all that history. The title makes me feel like it will be.
If there's dirt thrown on various people, and I expect their will be, unfortunately, it'll suck. I don't expect Alex to lie and not say how he feels, but at the same time, I hope he takes the high road and artfully expresses his opinion.
Either way, the book is a must-buy, and I'm excited to read it.