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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: erik16 on June 02, 2009, 04:10:37 AM
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Sorry to start a KM topic again (I've seen that they get sometimes heated, I believe there's also a somekind of a special sign, am I wrong?). This is not a Jordan VS Kevin thread. I'm just interested in when exactly did KM begin to have doubts in Dream Theater and the music they were making? Do you think it was at the beginning of the I&W tour or at the end? Or just after it? Because in LiT he seems to still have a great time. And the tour didn't end long after that. The concert was at the end of August, they wrote Awake in the beginning of 1994 and KM left them in May or June, I believe. That would leave basically only half a year for him to lose belief in DT.
I don't want to start a heated thread and I hope you forgive me this :-\
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I've been wondering the same things. So can someone please answer before the thread degrades. It's going to happen sometime.
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Hımm all I know that he just left with questionable reason or meaningless reason!
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He didn't like their musical direction and didn't like the spotlight or something.
ps. That was 15 years ago. He's gone.
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I'm just interested in when exactly did KM begin to have doubts in Dream Theater and the music they were making?
You'd have to ask him. Good luck.
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I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
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Chroma Key will give you an answer to that.
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Chroma Key will give you an answer to that.
Ah I see. That's a pretty big change from DT, I wonder why he changed like that.
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:facepalm:
No MOORE!!!
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He didn't like John Myung.
Watch this excerpt from a documentary, he says so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCcE43n6Rw
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:facepalm:
No MOORE!!!
Whatever you talk about, whatever you bring up on the DT boards it always ending up talking about Moore, it unquestionable :D
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Hımm all I know that he just left with questionable reason or meaningless reason!
The fact that he wasn't happy with his situation isn't adequate reason for him to do something about it? ???
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AND ILL SMILE AND ILL LEARN TO PRETEND
Catch my drift?
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AND ILL SMILE AND ILL LEARN TO PRETEND
Catch my drift?
So does it mean in your opinion that he wasn't actually having a good time in Tokyo in August 1993?
Note: I didn't ask WHY, I asked WHEN (what you think). Only hefdaddy has answered to my question and of course we know that KM isn't going to tell anyone. But what do you think (if you have an opinion and time/interest to state it)? I believe that it had to begin by the end of 93 (after Tokyo) and something happened in the beginning of 94 which made him seal his mind. Or it was just :justjen
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No one knows for sure, but it obviously was a slow process. It is not like he woke up one day and thought, "Hmmm, I don't like prog metal anymore; I think I'll leave the band to make different kinds of music."
As for why he changed, why does anyone change? It happens. People's tastes change. That also happens.
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Well, the lyrics to 6:00 are sometimes construed as KM writing about struggling with whether or not to leave the band, so it would seem like during the writing/recording of Awake would be the time frame...
Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream
Tries to shake it off but it just won't stop
Can't find the strength but he's got promises to keep
And wood to chop before he sleeps
I may never get over
but never's better than now
I've got bases to cover
He's in the parking lot and he's just sitting in his car
It's nine o'clock but he can't get out
He lights a cigarette
and turns the music down
but just can't seem to shake that sound
Once I thought I'd get over
but it's too late for me now
I've got bases to cover
Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go
The pain inside
coming outside
So many ways to drown a man
So many ways to drag him down
Some are fast and some take years and years
Can't hear what he's saying when he's talking in his sleep
He finally found the sound but he's in too deep
I could never get over
Is it too late for me now?
Feel like blowing my cover
Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go
But don't cut your losses too soon
'cause you'll only be cutting your throat
And answer a call while you still hear at all
'cause nobody will if you won't
Sounds like he's saying that he's found the musiv he truly wants to make, but there's no room for it in DT. So he's trying to decide if he should pursue it, or just stay where he is...
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I don't think why he changed matters. He changed, he moved on, he's making music he likes now, and so are DT.
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No one can really know for sure, but just because he's having a good time on LiT doesn't mean he couldn't have been having his doubts at that time. All we saw was what was put on the video, I'm sure he wasn't always like that. Even horrible relationships can have their good moments.
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WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
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WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
OR DO WE?
the answer is no, we don't.
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I think it all went pear-shaped for Kevin because he wanted to call Images & Words "Images & Turds"
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WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
OR DO WE?
the answer is no, we don't.
I guess, this is not secret anymore, surely after 15 years later!
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Yes it is. Because KM refuses to talk about it.
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Kevin Moore.
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Yes it is. Because KM refuses to talk about it.
When I asked him about it he said that Adam02's vid was pretty accurate, if that helps.
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Kevin Murr
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Kevin Murr
Kevin Baggins.
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Who has the picture of the All Roads Lead to Kevin Moore sign?
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I think Rumby does.
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If he's reading this thread, he should post it :P
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This thread reminded me to tell you all that there's a teacher named Kevin Moore at my school...
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Well, the lyrics to 6:00 are sometimes construed as KM writing about struggling with whether or not to leave the band, so it would seem like during the writing/recording of Awake would be the time frame...
Six o'clock the siren kicks him from a dream
Tries to shake it off but it just won't stop
Can't find the strength but he's got promises to keep
And wood to chop before he sleeps
I may never get over
but never's better than now
I've got bases to cover
He's in the parking lot and he's just sitting in his car
It's nine o'clock but he can't get out
He lights a cigarette
and turns the music down
but just can't seem to shake that sound
Once I thought I'd get over
but it's too late for me now
I've got bases to cover
Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go
The pain inside
coming outside
So many ways to drown a man
So many ways to drag him down
Some are fast and some take years and years
Can't hear what he's saying when he's talking in his sleep
He finally found the sound but he's in too deep
I could never get over
Is it too late for me now?
Feel like blowing my cover
Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go
But don't cut your losses too soon
'cause you'll only be cutting your throat
And answer a call while you still hear at all
'cause nobody will if you won't
Sounds like he's saying that he's found the musiv he truly wants to make, but there's no room for it in DT. So he's trying to decide if he should pursue it, or just stay where he is...
Whoa, I never knew that. Thanks dude.
-J
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I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
He left because he wanted to pursue his own musical endeavors, as a solo artist. We see how well that worked out. :neverusethis:
He now lives in Istanbul, Turkey near SeroX [he saw km in a coffee shop]
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Melody walks through the door
and memory flies out the window
and nobody knows what they want
'til they finally let it all go
This also sounds like he is saying melody comes in [his own musical taste] and he just forgets all of his memories with dt, and he doesn't know what he wants, but when he lets it all go, he will know what the best decision really was.
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Um...he kinda addressed this question directly in an interview about OSI. It was on the old boards somewhere, whoever knows their way over to that particular archive can help, maybe? Its basically what everyone's already been saying: he got bored of playing really technical progressive music and opted for things more like Chroma Key and OSI.
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*inserts random appreciation for Blood by OSI and You Go Now by Chroma Key*
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I don't think why he changed matters. He changed, he moved on, he's making music he likes now, and so are DT.
If you look at it that way, almost everything we talk about doesn't 'matter'. The OP is just curious, that's all. He's allowed to ask a question without someone saying what he's wondering doesn't matter.
No one knows for sure, but it obviously was a slow process. It is not like he woke up one day and thought, "Hmmm, I don't like prog metal anymore; I think I'll leave the band to make different kinds of music."
As for why he changed, why does anyone change? It happens. People's tastes change. That also happens.
I think that sums it up pretty well in an unbiased way.
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I don't think why he changed matters. He changed, he moved on, he's making music he likes now, and so are DT.
If you look at it that way, almost everything we talk about doesn't 'matter'. The OP is just curious, that's all. He's allowed to ask a question without someone saying what he's wondering doesn't matter.
I never said anything about not discussing (we already know nothing we say here matters), just saying that his reasons don't change the facts. It's been 15 years, he's moved on and making new music, and so are DT.
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I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
He left because he wanted to pursue his own musical endeavors, as a solo artist. We see how well that worked out. :neverusethis:
He now lives in Istanbul, Turkey near SeroX [he saw km in a coffee shop]
Actually, he lives in Florida now, I believe.
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I don't think why he changed matters. He changed, he moved on, he's making music he likes now, and so are DT.
If you look at it that way, almost everything we talk about doesn't 'matter'. The OP is just curious, that's all. He's allowed to ask a question without someone saying what he's wondering doesn't matter.
I never said anything about not discussing (we already know nothing we say here matters), just saying that his reasons don't change the facts. It's been 15 years, he's moved on and making new music, and so are DT.
I understand what you mean now. I took it a different way, my fault.
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He didn't like John Myung.
Watch this excerpt from a documentary, he says so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zCcE43n6Rw
Who on Earth is this John Myung character of which you speak? Is he the random Chinese dude in that video? What does he have to do with DT?
:justjen ???
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I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
He left because he wanted to pursue his own musical endeavors, as a solo artist. We see how well that worked out. :neverusethis:
He now lives in Istanbul, Turkey near SeroX [he saw km in a coffee shop]
Actually, he lives in Florida now, I believe.
No he lives in Turkey! About 1-2 weeks later he is going to give a concert I guess!
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Ah, I just read that he's vacationing in Florida at the moment. Nevermind!
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I also want to know the specific reason he left. How did his musical tastes change? What did they change to?
He left because he wanted to pursue his own musical endeavors, as a solo artist. We see how well that worked out. :neverusethis:
He now lives in Istanbul, Turkey near SeroX [he saw km in a coffee shop]
Actually, he lives in Florida now, I believe.
No he lives in Turkey! About 1-2 weeks later he is going to give a concert I guess!
Well then, I guess that explains your posts.
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This thread reminded me to tell you all that there's a teacher named Kevin Moore at my school...
How open does he seem?
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:metal
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This thread reminded me to tell you all that there's a teacher named Kevin Moore at my school...
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/09-16-07_1426.jpg)
Who has the picture of the All Roads Lead to Kevin Moore sign?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/kevmo.jpg)
rumborak
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(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/rumborak/kevmo.jpg)
rumborak
:lol :lol :lol never gets old. (and it's still true to a degree :biggrin: )
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Classic pic, but not really appropriate in this thread. Here, we started out talking about Kevin Moore.
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JORDAN RUDESS
There, now it can be valid.
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JORDAN RUDESS
There, now it can be valid.
Not if the conversation stays on JR.
I like Blind Faith.
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Classic pic, but not really appropriate in this thread. Here, we started out talking about Kevin Moore.
I was just wondering where the pic was. And since it was a KM thread, it seemed appropriate to ask.
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One thing I've always wondered is if Kev has kept in touch with anyone of the guys in Dream Theater when he left them in '94. Especially John Petrucci since it was his childhood friend. You know they maybe don't go out with in to the fans.
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Probably not.
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It seems, this thread i mean Kevin Moore is being a big, veryyyyyyy big legend in DT's history!
Why he left,
Why nobody tried to stop him,
Why this anger all about,
Why,
Why,
?????
Secret, doubts... so we have nothing after all talkings.
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He's rather a mystery than a legend.
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JORDAN RUDESS
*ANGRILY RIPS HIS SHIRT OPEN BRUCE BANNER STYLE*
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It seems, this thread i mean Kevin Moore is being a big, veryyyyyyy big legend in DT's history!
Why he left,
Why nobody tried to stop him,
Why this anger all about,
Why,
Why,
?????
Secret, doubts... so we have nothing after all talkings.
And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend
And I'll never be open again
And I'll have no more dreams to defend
And I'll never be open again
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Kevin Moore.
/thread
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Kevin Moore = Syd Barrat
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I am a big fan of his music with dt. I hate his personality. According to MP, he was very uptight, no fun to work with, frustrating, and he has his ways of working which aren't very conducive to collaboration. Also, didn't they invite him to wdadru, but he refused? And he just pretty much abandoned the band for himself. When you are in a band, it is more than just making music. It is a family, and a promise that you will stay with the band, and devote your life to the band. That shouldn't be broken for what you want to do.
And I am not bashing him, any "insults" came directly from and interview with mp on blabbermouth. My only opinion is that I don't like kevin's personality.
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Ah, but you are young and inexperienced; you have not experienced a full-out KevMo debate. :biggrin:
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I am a big fan of his music with dt. I hate his personality. According to MP, he was very uptight, no fun to work with, frustrating, and he has his ways of working which aren't very conducive to collaboration. Also, didn't they invite him to wdadru, but he refused? And he just pretty much abandoned the band for himself. When you are in a band, it is more than just making music. It is a family, and a promise that you will stay with the band, and devote your life to the band. That shouldn't be broken for what you want to do.
And I am not bashing him, any "insults" came directly from and interview with mp on blabbermouth. My only opinion is that I don't like kevin's personality.
:lol :lol :lol
Is this a serious post?
So, basically, you hate his personality based on what Portnoy says it is. :lol
Also, if Moore is a [insert any derogatory name here] for abandoning the "family," then I guess the rest are also [insert that name again with an 's' at the end] for firing Charlie Dominic and Derek Sherinian, right? Or is it okay for them to fire someone and kick them out of the family, but not okay for someone to leave the family on their own?
I mean, let's get real. Joining a band doesn't mean you are tied to that band for life, like you suggested. Musicians leave bands and bands fire musicians all of the time. It happens. Get over it.
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Joining a band doesn't mean you are tied to that band for life, like you suggested. Musicians leave bands and bands fire musicians all of the time. It happens. Get over it.
Fixed, and quoted for emphasis. Line-ups change all the time, especially in prog. That's just how music works.
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You guys seem to be missing many parts of my thread. so I will quote and bold the parts you missed.
I am a big fan of his music with dt. I hate his personality. According to MP, he was very uptight, no fun to work with, frustrating, and he has his ways of working which aren't very conducive to collaboration. Also, didn't they invite him to wdadru, but he refused? And he just pretty much abandoned the band for himself. When you are in a band, it is more than just making music. It is a family, and a promise that you will stay with the band, and devote your life to the band. That shouldn't be broken for what you want to do.
And I am not bashing him, any "insults" came directly from and interview with mp on blabbermouth. My only opinion is that I don't like kevin's personality.
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No, I got that. It's just that, we have nothing to base that on, except from the mouth of Portnoy, who has shown to be somewhat bitter about his ex-bandmate, so you have to take his words with a grain of salt. For all we know, maybe Kevin Moore thinks Portnoy's ways of working aren't conducive to collaboration (which would make sense, since Portnoy is on record as being someone who argues until he gets his way).
And what about your comments about family and all of that? You still sticking by that?
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KM actually spoke very graciously about MP's contributions to the first two OSI records (interview links are in the OSI threads in Music Discussion)...compare that to how MP bitched about those sessions...shouldn't be so fast to take one side of the story as Truth...
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Is this in one of the new Blood interviews or what?
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So, basically, you hate his personality based on what Portnoy says it is. :lol
NO FUN
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Kevin Moore = Syd Barrat
If that's the case then DT has yet to find their Gilmour.
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Jordan Rudess = David Gilmour
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Rudess has too many flaws to be a Gilmour.
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John Myung = Nick Mason
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Well, the fact that KM and JP don't stay in touch anymore is sad to me as well because they were the best fiends during KM's time in DT. JP has always said that KM was such a funny guy and has probably forgotten that he still is. I have always wondered why don't JP, JLB and JM speak of Kevin publicly. Or even better why not do something different like a side-project with him. It is obvious that MP and KM don't make a good team (anymore).
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John Petrucci = Richard Wright
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KM actually spoke very graciously about MP's contributions to the first two OSI records (interview links are in the OSI threads in Music Discussion)...compare that to how MP bitched about those sessions...shouldn't be so fast to take one side of the story as Truth...
I once read an interview a few of months back where Moore was continuosly making little jokes and small digs at MP, and Dream Theater in general throughout the interview. It was a while ago, so my memory is a little faded, but that's how I remember it. I'll try to find it again at some point. :tup
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Yeah, dig that up! :tup
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John Petrucci = Richard Wright
So which one's Pink?
As this gets discussed more it seems that MP has acted just as rudely towards KM as KM is rumoured to have been towards him. Understandably it seems to be a touchy subject with Portnoy but he has blasted the guy and his work ethic several times, whilst I've yet to see a similar action from KM.
How regularly does KM perform stuff live? I know he's done the occasional show but is there any regulalarity to it?
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John Petrucci = Richard Wright
As this gets discussed more it seems that MP has acted just as rudely towards KM as KM is rumoured to have been towards him. Understandably it seems to be a touchy subject with Portnoy but he has blasted the guy and his work ethic several times.
Yeah, MP does seem to tend to do that, but I think when KM refuses to play any one off shows with the band, kind of refuses to acknowledge his time in DT and pretty much looks down upon that style of music, even though he owes his career to it, MP would probably take that attitude as a big insult, and hurt his feelings after them being friends for a good amount of years. So when MP says, "I don't like working with him, it's boring", it's probably partly his way of putting up a kind of front to say "I don't care either" and keep his pride intact. Of course there's mainly just creative issues probably too :biggrin:
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Ahhhhhh the KM debate. Good times...
I'm pretty sure everyone knows my stance at this point, but it ranges between both of them need to fucking grow up and siding with Kevin. Depends on my mood.
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Someone should just start an "argue about Kevin Moore" thread :justjen
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Still after 15 years later commenting about Kevin is so useful to envolve our muscles of finger.
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As much as I love Rudess, I'd love to see a lighter-rock side project that featured Kevin with James LaBrie on vocals and Steve Wilson doing guitars.
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As much as I love Rudess, I'd love to see a lighter-rock side project that featured Kevin with James LaBrie on vocals and Steve Wilson doing guitars.
Oh. My. God. THIS!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Someone should just start an "argue about Kevin Moore" thread :justjen
I'm pretty sure that's what this thread is all about.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
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KM actually spoke very graciously about MP's contributions to the first two OSI records (interview links are in the OSI threads in Music Discussion)...compare that to how MP bitched about those sessions...shouldn't be so fast to take one side of the story as Truth...
I once read an interview a few of months back where Moore was continuosly making little jokes and small digs at MP, and Dream Theater in general throughout the interview. It was a while ago, so my memory is a little faded, but that's how I remember it. I'll try to find it again at some point. :tup
You mean the one where he kept getting asked questions about DT? I wouldn't really call those subtle digs since he was just answering the questions, or is that only applicable when Portnoy does it?
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KM actually spoke very graciously about MP's contributions to the first two OSI records (interview links are in the OSI threads in Music Discussion)...compare that to how MP bitched about those sessions...shouldn't be so fast to take one side of the story as Truth...
I once read an interview a few of months back where Moore was continuosly making little jokes and small digs at MP, and Dream Theater in general throughout the interview. It was a while ago, so my memory is a little faded, but that's how I remember it. I'll try to find it again at some point. :tup
You mean the one where he kept getting asked questions about DT? I wouldn't really call those subtle digs since he was just answering the questions, or is that only applicable when Portnoy does it?
I don't see either man at fault if they're being asked directly about it. If people are going to ask the question, I prefer the honesty over brushing off the question.
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OK, none of us really know these guys (well, maybe some of us do). So let's stop insulting them.
KM is not a bad guy because he left DT.
MP is not a bad guy because he isn't on the best of terms with KM.
They're both human, which is bad enough to start out with.
And also, DT fans shouldn't dislike KM just because MP says things about him. If you don't like the music he's making now (and I don't particularly care for it myself), then that's fine. But I don't see KM bashing as very helpful or productive. He has his reasons for for leaving DT and going his own route, and we should all respect those reasons.
*stops rambling*
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Kevin Moore is a doody head.
*waits eagerly*
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This thread reminded me to tell you all that there's a teacher named Kevin Moore at my school...
How open does he seem?
Never actually met him, though I do know that he teaches Spanish...
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Still after 15 years later commenting about Kevin is so useful to envolve our muscles of finger.
:heart
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Did you guys notice the fake rumours about Kevin's death that surfaced around his birthday? Scared me for a few seconds until I got my hands around the initial "source". Then I chuckled.
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I'm interested to know who/what the source was.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
Dude, both Chroma Key and OSI are awesome, weird electronic noises and monotonous singing or not. :P
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I found out from the CK/KM forums and this link: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090527210856AA5Ivf8
But apparently someone edited his Wiki page but the edit was deleted.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
Dude, both Chroma Key and OSI are awesome, weird electronic noises and monotonous singing or not. :P
In fact I'd say I love KM's work because of rather than in spite of the electronic noises and his monotonous singing.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
Dude, both Chroma Key and OSI are awesome, weird electronic noises and monotonous singing or not. :P
In fact I'd say I love KM's work because of rather than in spite of the electronic noises and his monotonous singing.
Well, I was disputing the "weird" and "monotone drone." I think the electronics are cool, not weird. And the singing is certainly distinctive, but I'd call it laid-back instead of droning.
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Oh those vocals are droning alright, it's just that that isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially for the kind of music he's making.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
I don't like OSI, but I don't dislike it nearly this much.
Still, this post makes me :rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rollin
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Oh those vocals are droning alright, it's just that that isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially for the kind of music he's making.
I can agree with that. :tup
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John Petrucci = Richard Wright
So which one's Pink?
David Prater = Roger Waters
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
Between you and CoNsTaNt ChAoS...
lol
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
Between you and CoNsTaNt ChAoS...
lol
I just posted what I learned from this thread. I've never actually heard any OSI. :lol
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The biggest mistake in your life. Unless you're an airport dispatcher and have caused two planes to crash of course :D
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5 guys made 3 albums, 1 left. Whats the big deal?
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5 guys made 3 albums, 1 left. Whats the big deal?
Kevin Moore.
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That sorta shit happens in the music biz all the time. The part that doesn't normally happen is the complete cutting off of communication.
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5 guys made 3 albums, 1 left. Whats the big deal?
Truthfully? There is no big deal.
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The biggest mistake in your life. Unless you're an airport dispatcher and have caused two planes to crash of course :D
Is that a Breaking Bad reference?
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Never watched it.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
NEWSFLASH: Blood by OSI is better than what I've heard from BCSL.
Also, WDADU, I&W, AWAKE, ACOS > anything after 2000
:)
<3
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From what you've heard? So you're comparing them without even hearing all of them? :\
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From what you've heard? So you're comparing them without even hearing all of them? :\
I never said how much I have heard...
Also, the post just pissed me off.
Wouldn't you say playing for a small group of fans playing music you like is better than hating every note you play in front of thousands.
My post was pretty immature but I still stick by my opinion. :blush
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From what you've heard? So you're comparing them without even hearing all of them? :\
I never said how much I have heard...
Also, the post just pissed me off.
Wouldn't you say playing for a small group of fans playing music you like is better than hating every note you play in front of thousands.
My post was pretty immature but I still stick by my opinion. :blush
How does your analogy fit anything here? DT love their music, KM loves his music. The difference is that DT play to thousands. KM doesn't.
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I'm saying KM would be happier in front of 38 fans of music he loves rather than be in DT and resent every note he plays. He doesn't need to "brag" about I&W as Dream Team suggested.
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OH you meant for him in DT vs him solo. Sorry, I thought you were comparing DT to him. Yeah, he's obviously more interested in his own music. He has no interest in discussing DT. I don't imagine him bragging about DT. I'm sure he's happier with what he's doing for himself
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Look.
There was one interview where, when asked about DS and JR era DT, KM said he didn't want to respond because he wanted to avoid bullshitting.
But aside from that, I've never seen him bad mouth the band. Why would anyone think he owes them anything?
The only thing KM did that I thought was actually distasteful was leaving before a replacement keyboardist could be found, since the Awake shows were either already scheduled, or the band full-well knew that a tour was coming to promote the album. But that happened over a decade ago, it's in the past.
KM went one way, DT went another. I don't understand why we should give a shit.
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I don't either.
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Yeah, bottom line both KM and DT are both happy making great music, and no one can deny that KM's time in DT made for some of the best music/lyrics DT has ever made!
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Blob can. ;)
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It's like the thread runs itself! Amazing! :p
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Srsly, this thread's on autopilot mode.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
NEWSFLASH: Blood by OSI is better than what I've heard from BCSL.
Also, WDADU, I&W, AWAKE, ACOS > anything after 2000
:)
<3
He didn't play on acos.
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
NEWSFLASH: Blood by OSI is better than what I've heard from BCSL.
Also, WDADU, I&W, AWAKE, ACOS > anything after 2000
:)
<3
This again?
::yawn::
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Kevin Moore left DT to go make weird electronic noises and sing over the top of it in a monotone drone, and has 38 fans. More power to him. At least he'll always have Images and Words to brag about :tup.
NEWSFLASH: Blood by OSI is better than what I've heard from BCSL.
Also, WDADU, I&W, AWAKE, ACOS > anything after 2000
:)
<3
He didn't play on acos.
It was written when he was in the band, and yes, he has played on the song at one point or another....
Also, I know the post was a bit immature.. Oh well... :hat
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I thought y'all might be interested to see this, it's the lyrics from the first song on OSI's new album, Blood.
Run, run
like you've already done
You've gotta move to meet demand
You're far flung when the music's done
you better find a place to land
It's all true when I lit that fuse
I never meant to be your friend
I kicked the tire but it caught on fire
I'm gonna try to make amends
You act mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memory
I'm off
I'd better be alone
Alone
Part two
now you're back in the news
you're gonna spread the word around
I'm all done because the song is sung
I'm gonna black my windows out
You move mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memory
I'm off
I'd better be alone
Alone
No harm, no foul
It's not fine at all
It's not fair leading us there
It's no fun at all
You act mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memory
I'm off
I'd better be alone
Alone
I'm gone
I'd better be alone
Alone
If you see what I see, you know why I thought this was relevant.
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um "It's no fun at all"?
That's all I can see in there that meant anything to me.
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Alright I'll highlight the relevant lines. :P
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WOW! he said it all!
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Not seein' it ???
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Interesting...
Part two
now you're back in the news
you're gonna spread the word around
I'm all done because the song is sung
I'm gonna black my windows out
The italicized part also seems quite relevant, regarding the lack of interviews or talking about when he was in DT.
And of course, the name of the song is "The Escape Artist".
Almost seems like a bookend to 6:00...
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Interesting LFAGA reference there. Looks like a final wrap-up to the whole story.
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"Would you like to sit and talk to me
about the ways things change so suddenly"
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I thought y'all might be interested to see this, it's the lyrics from the first song on OSI's new album, Blood.
Run, run
like you've already done
You've gotta move to meet demand
You're far flung when the music's done
you better find a place to land
It's all true when I lit that fuse
I never meant to be your friend
I kicked the tire but it caught on fire
I'm gonna try to make amends
You act mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memory
I'm off
I'd better be alone
Alone
Part two
now you're back in the news
you're gonna spread the word around
I'm all done because the song is sung
I'm gonna black my windows out
You move mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memory
I'm off
I'd better be alone
Alone
No harm, no foul
It's not fine at all
It's not fair leading us there
It's no fun at all
You act mysterious
but you speak in gibberish
You can take your memory
I'm off
I'd better be alone
Alone
I'm gone
I'd better be alone
Alone
If you see what I see, you know why I thought this was relevant.
:|
That's the lyricist who's supposedly better than all the other ones in the band; then or now?
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I don't get it. Seems fine to me. Though there are much better songs on this album lyrically.
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While I didn't take the time to pick out exact lines, throughout Blood I thought I kept hearing lines that might've been referring to Kevin's relationship with Dream Theater.
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Well I think this one was what really stood out for me. Also, from the album Free, there's the song Go, which is basically a narrative about the departure itself and what he did immediately after leaving DT.
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Yep. It's interesting stuff, for sure. Portnoy's words on "Raise the Knife" are good as well, although they don't all deal with Moore, if I remember correctly.
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What really strikes me in this song is this verse:
It's all true when I lit that fuse
I never meant to be your friend
I kicked the tire but it caught on fire
I'm gonna try to make amends
Sounds like KM is reflecting on interviews where questions addressed his departure from DT and his subsequent relationship with them, especially MP. Sounds to me like he commented knowing that it might start some sort of tension, but he was not expecting it to get that outta hand.
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I don't know if these lyrics specifically refer to KM's time with DT and his departure.
But I hope they do.
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:|
That's the lyricist who's supposedly better than all the other ones in the band; then or now?
Where the hell did you get that from?
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Where the hell did you get that from?
I just thought it was kinda funny and true. I'll stop now.
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Man motherfuck you
:heart
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Yep. It's interesting stuff, for sure. Portnoy's words on "Raise the Knife" are good as well, although they don't all deal with Moore, if I remember correctly.
They don't? Because I thought they were written having KM in mind.
I think it's weird they did that song, considering how good friend from JP he is/was, I can't believe JP agreeing to write a song against his friend.
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He was probably pissed too. I think the other half of the song deals with a producer or record executive or something.
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Yep. It's interesting stuff, for sure. Portnoy's words on "Raise the Knife" are good as well, although they don't all deal with Moore, if I remember correctly.
They don't? Because I thought they were written having KM in mind.
I think it's weird they did that song, considering how good friend from JP he is/was, I can't believe JP agreeing to write a song against his friend.
He didn't write the complete song, only the lyrics. Plus, I don't think that the rest of the band restrains a lyric-writing member from writing about certain topics.
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While I didn't take the time to pick out exact lines, throughout Blood I thought I kept hearing lines that might've been referring to Kevin's relationship with Dream Theater.
I haven't gotten Blood yet but I noticed that with the other two, I'd hear some lines every now and then that sounded like they would apply to KM's situation with the band and maybe JP. If it's just a two or so random lines out of a whole song, though, I take it up as a coincidence.
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A good point, ehra. In the case of Go and The Escape Artist though, I feel like a lot of the lines match up.
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It's probably a coincidence, Kevin rarely sits down and thinks about lyrics since DT. Most of his stuff is made up on the fly, singing along to the song and then deciphering what he's said.
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Did he say that in an interview or something? Sounds like how Jem Godfrey writes his lyrics.
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Yeah, he's said so in interviews. All CK songs are written that way and most of OSI's too I think. Or at least a good portion of them. He sings along, deciphers it and then tries to make it make sense.
What are your lyrical inspirations for Blood?
Usually just personal experience. I don’t sit down with a direction of where I go. It always comes from the music. I don’t write lyrics that just hang around waiting for a song. I come up with melodies and I start mumbling and I try to figure out what I’m saying and then try to make it make sense. Usually, it’s just about what’s wrong with me (laughs).
ML: Kevin, you once described your lyric-writing process as an "audio Rorscach test" of free-associating with the music. Is that still your method, or have you become more deliberate about it?
KM: A little more deliberate about it, yeah. I wanted the lyrics to make sense. [Laughs] I really wrote them down and tried to make them coherent. I didn't want it to be like "Oh, you get your own impression of the lyrics. Everybody has their own idea!" I wanted to have an idea that I wanted to communicate, and something communicable. But I did use that method here and there when I was trying to come up with lyrics. Just rolling and recording, then playing back and trying to decipher. Because usually that puts you in the right direction as far as sounds, vowel sounds, and stresses on certain syllables. And if you can write some words and lyrics that match that, sometimes it flows really well.
Browse the OSI - Blood thread for links to the interviews, they are quite interesting.
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"I don’t write lyrics that just hang around waiting for a song."
Now that's interesting... :biggrin:
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Since this is the only place I need to share this, and don't really feel the need to start a new thread since this is already up and going on Kevin Moore's Solo stuff other than Chroma Key and OSI.
I came to say I recently listened to Memory Hole pt. 1 and really loved what I heard. It's great atmosphere to the mood and tone of the samples.
Anyone else heard this? what are your thoughts about it? It's interesting music to discuss.
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Hey, man. Memory Hole is great stuff. I'll admit, not my most favorite KM stuff, but it's still really good. I stream it a lot on the CK website.
If you'd like to talk about Kevin Moore regularly, feel free to visit The Mooreatorium: www.themooreatorium.com. People there know a lot about Memory Hole and his other stuff.
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Blood has really tanked for me this year. A couple months ago I would have considered it a top 5 album, now, it's probably in the top 10-- by default, since I doubt I bought more than 10 albums that came out this year.
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Blood is my least favorite OSI album, but only by a hair. I think it's very good album, but it really loses its momentum after "Radiologue." The long pause before "Be The Hero" brings the album to a screetching halt and "Mircoburst Alert" and "Stockholm" with Mikael Akerfeldt are two weaker tracks.
Still, there are few songs that are hands-down awesome and possibly the best stuff KM has done - "The Escape Artist," "Radiologue" and "Blood." Those three songs, along with "Terminal" to a lesser degree, make Blood a worthwile album IMO. I have not gotten sick of those songs in the least.
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I still like Blood more than Free- but I didn't like Free at all really. I still like Terminal quite a bit myself. But most of the album doesn't stick with me. OSI's a cool experiment, but one that isn't really "progressing" to the level you'd expect it to.
I wish KevMo would play in a proper "metal" band again, but I know that's not his thing.
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I still think Blood is OSI's best album. The s/t used to be my favorite, but Blood surpassed it this year.
-J
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Blood is still my N1 album of the last 2 years. Memory Hole 1 is awesome too, I hope he gets to make a second one sometimes.
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I wish KevMo would play in a proper "metal" band again, but I know that's not his thing.
I'm holding out hope he will play keys in the new Fates Warning album that the band is working on right now for a 2010 release. I mean, he played in "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" and in Disconnected. FWX didn't match his schedule because he was doing Turkish film soundtracks. Fates Warning is a great fit for him. Hopefully, he'd consider sticking around to play a few shows with them.
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That would be awesome.
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Blood is my least favorite OSI album, but only by a hair. I think it's very good album, but it really loses its momentum after "Radiologue." The long pause before "Be The Hero" brings the album to a screetching halt and "Mircoburst Alert" and "Stockholm" with Mikael Akerfeldt are two weaker tracks.
Still, there are few songs that are hands-down awesome and possibly the best stuff KM has done - "The Escape Artist," "Radiologue" and "Blood." Those three songs, along with "Terminal" to a lesser degree, make Blood a worthwile album IMO. I have not gotten sick of those songs in the least.
Actually I had the exact opposite impression. The three - Be The Hero/Microburst Alert/Stockholm are my favourites on the album, though they needed some time to grow.
I think I need to give Blood another listen, as it's been a while now. It's certainly a very good album, though.
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still such passion over this topic.
Its good to see at these boards.
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Still haven't gotten around to getting Blood yet :lol
I'm kind of surprised at some of the opinions I've seen here, though. Free is by far my favorite of the two I have.
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Blood is my favorite OSI. I love Gavin Harrison's drumming on this album.
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Blood is my least favorite OSI album, but only by a hair. I think it's very good album, but it really loses its momentum after "Radiologue." The long pause before "Be The Hero" brings the album to a screetching halt and "Mircoburst Alert" and "Stockholm" with Mikael Akerfeldt are two weaker tracks.
Okay, Stockholm is probably the weakest track on Blood, that's fair. And although I love Be The Hero, the slow start is kind of irritating.
But Microburst Alert--what the hell? That song is rockin'! It's got this weird groove and everything, and then all of a sudden ("STOP! STOP! STOP!") it shifts into high gear and proceeds to kick all kinds of ass. I can understand not loving the song to death, but I was surprised to hear it described as one of the two weakest tracks on the album. What about it don't you like?
I know you're a KevMo fanboy, but that doesn't mean anything written by Matheos is subpar. :P
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Blood is my favorite OSI. I love Gavin Harrison's drumming on this album.
I really think Gavin was a good choice for Blood. I wonder how the sales compared to the first two albums with Portnoy. I'm sure there was a slight drop-off in sales because MP is probably considered a bigger name with more of a following than GH, but maybe not a huge drop off.
Microburst Alert is a good song. Maybe I need to give it a closer listen since it's getting a lot of love. I actually didn't notice it was a Matheos song until a month ago. I think I tend to like KM's voice and lyrics, so the instrumentals don't grab me as much. But I gonna crank Microburst on my drive home :)
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I'm noticing a lot of OSI songs have the same kinda rhythm. Weird.
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I think I tend to like KM's voice and lyrics, so the instrumentals don't grab me as much.
That is totally understandable. KM's voice is very unusual, especially for a band that leans toward metal, but somehow it fits perfectly with the tone of the music and the tone of his lyrics.
I especially love "Be The Hero" because he's doing the usual laid-back sounding vocals over this heavy, almost frantic-sounding music. It's a very cool contrast.
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It makes me a terribly sad panda that you think Stockholm is the worst song. I love that thing to death, along with Terminal and Radiologue. For me Be The Hero is probably the weakest song of the album due to the slow start. I also feel the chorus is somewhat cheesy.
All in all, Blood is probably their most consistent release. Office of Strategic Influence was really experimental and cool but has a couple weak spots and is a little more demanding to listen to, and Free sounds a little too empty for me for who knows what reason (I still like it though).
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It makes me a terribly sad panda that you think Stockholm is the worst song. I love that thing to death, along with Terminal and Radiologue. For me Be The Hero is probably the weakest song of the album due to the slow start. I also feel the chorus is somewhat cheesy.
Sorry. :(
But something about Blood that I can't really explain...somehow, the mellower songs aren't that great. I mean, they're good...OSI has yet to release a bad song. But they're not at the same level as the heavier ones. The Escape Artist, False Start, Be The Hero, Microburst Alert...those songs are phenomenal. The only mellower song that can compete with those is the title track.
I don't know why.
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Kevin Moore.
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Blood is my least favorite OSI album, but only by a hair. I think it's very good album, but it really loses its momentum after "Radiologue." The long pause before "Be The Hero" brings the album to a screetching halt and "Mircoburst Alert" and "Stockholm" with Mikael Akerfeldt are two weaker tracks.
Okay, Stockholm is probably the weakest track on Blood, that's fair. And although I love Be The Hero, the slow start is kind of irritating.
But Microburst Alert--what the hell? That song is rockin'! It's got this weird groove and everything, and then all of a sudden ("STOP! STOP! STOP!") it shifts into high gear and proceeds to kick all kinds of ass. I can understand not loving the song to death, but I was surprised to hear it described as one of the two weakest tracks on the album. What about it don't you like?
I know you're a KevMo fanboy, but that doesn't mean anything written by Matheos is subpar. :P
Actually one of the main reasons why I like Be The Hero so much is the beginning. It's completely unconventional, as the first 20 seconds or something probably make you predict something like Terminal or We Come Undone, and then it changes entirely. I love surprises in music, and this is certainly a good one. The "main part" of the song is great due to the amazing catchy chorus, very "rocking" feeling and also the vocals - Kevin Moore's "cold" singing really has an effect here.
Stockholm is great due to the combination of melancholy in the beginning, and then the rising tension. The part with "eyes fixed on the gun", especially the second one with the heavier riff in it, always gives me chills. Mikael Akerfeldt's singing is also pretty different than usual, and gives the song a really nice, unique feel. It was also a song that needed time to grow - at first I knew it was just "the song with Akerfeldt", but didn't pay much attention to the rest, and over time I noticed also the great instrumental work.
Blood is a pretty complex and unconventional album as a whole, and that's why I really like it. I like it more than Free, but it's definitely a very good one. I still need to get the OSI debut, especially that many people claim it the best or just a bit below Blood.
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I just came in here to say Graveyard Mountain Home is fantastic. If you don't have it, and you like Kevin Moore, get it. Probably my personal best "chillout" album I've ever heard.
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Blood is my favorite OSI. I love Gavin Harrison's drumming on this album.
This.
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I can't remember if I asked before, but why is Moore part of OSI? I thought he lost all interest in prog.
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I can't remember if I asked before, but why is Moore part of OSI? I thought he lost all interest in prog.
I think he still likes prog but lost interest on the whole shredding and soloing.
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I can't remember if I asked before, but why is Moore part of OSI? I thought he lost all interest in prog.
I think he still likes prog but lost interest on the whole shredding and soloing.
This. From what I've heard, he's more interested in mixing it with ambient/techno stuff - not to say that the metal/hard rock influence is lost, see eg The Escape Artist.
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I believe I'm in the minority here, but I still think OSI's first album was their best. I feel like the ratio of Moore/Matheos influence is better on that album.
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I believe I'm in the minority here, but I still think OSI's first album was their best. I feel like the ratio of Moore/Matheos influence is better on that album.
I actually agree. And yes, I do think we're in the minority for some reason. I just remember the feeling of buying that first album and having no idea what it would sound like. Then "The New Math (What He Said)" and "OSI" start up and it was an incredible feeling. I think that album is the most prog sounding and the album's theme is really well-crafted. Even the bonus CD has some sick shit on it - covers of Pink Floyd's "Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and Neil young's "New Mama." It's a shame they haven't played live. Some OSI songs would be awesome live.
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Reading through this thread... :lol
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I know this guy named Kevin Moore. Nice guy. Played poker with him once.
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lolwut
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When your life is poor
Call for Kevin Moore
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When your life is poor
Call for Kevin Moore
Yeah, when he goes into S-DV mode your life won't seem so poor anymore.
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(https://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj144/guitarcozmo/DTFMemesignpost.jpg)
/obligatory
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Holy fuck, somebody updated my picture!!
Nice job :lol
rumborak
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It started here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7888.0
I figured I may as well figure out a way to update it. I got quite a chuckle out of it, myself:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=7944.0
Glad you like it. finding the right background for it was fun, but I think this one came out well.
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LOL. Awesome. I like it.
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There was a kid named Kevin Moore in two of my classes this semester.
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There's some pics of Kev Mo in Lifting Shadows. Do you think he'll pull a Crispin Glover and try to sue? :neverusethis:
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There's some pics of Kev Mo in Lifting Shadows. Do you think he'll pull a Crispin Glover and try to sue? :neverusethis:
I think I'm getting my copy tonight from family. Can't wait to see the pics and everything.
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I know I should read the whole thread before posting, but I I just now saw this thread and don't have much time.
I recently left a band that I had been with for seven years. It wasn't until after the fifth year when we got a promoter (our guitar player's girlfriend), and we got insanely busy. As soon as we started playing heavily is when I started getting unhappy with pretty much everything about being in that band. You wouldn't have known it when I was playing; I only brought up my complaints behind closed doors with the band members. Finally, a little over a year ago, I had a big argument with the band in a meeting and told them that if they wouldn't slow down that I would be leaving. They said they would slow down, but they didn't, so I announced that I was leaving. My breakup with them was a long time in the making, but to all of the fans it looked like a very abrupt decision, and I had all kinds of people hounding me about leaving, and between the fans nagging me and my drummer calling me every other day trying to talk me out of leaving, I got really, really sick of hearing and talking about it. And that was just a local band. I can't even imagine what KM went through when he announced that he was leaving DT. Since he's a professional musician, I'm sure he too was capable of looking like he was having a good time whilst playing; for that matter just because he wasn't happy with the whole situation doesn't mean that there weren't pleasurable moments on tour that he still cherishes.
His reasons for leaving are not the same reasons I left my band, but I can relate to how he must have felt while making his decisions, and maybe he had to put up with a lot of negativity coming from lots of directions and it pushed him to the point of not ever wanting to talk about it with anyone.
Just my two cents.
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I must say, I always thoughts that Kevin had left due to personality or creative problems with the bandmembers. But after reading "Lifting Shadows," I simply think he didn't like having a taste of fame and experiencing the machine of the music industry and having music become a job instead of a passion. I mean, the band had worked so hard for six years for a break and had struggled to find a vocalist for like a year and a half or whatever. And then when their break came in 1992, he decided a little over a year later that he wanted to leave. In the book, the band doesn't really cite personality conflicts. They just say he got distant and quiet. I think he realized fame wasn't for him, which is why he packed up his car and drove cross country to sort of "disappear" for a while. Even James said in the book that he and KM had one-on-one talks where Kev would ponder about what was really important in life and if being in the band was most important. He didn't seem to like being a rockstar.
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Great posts by both 2Timer and Mebert78. Kudos to both of you guys for those; you both gave a lot of intelligent and well-put insight. :tup :tup
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Here you go...
Axis, Boston
12-16-92
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/KevMo.jpg)
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Here you go...
Axis, Boston
12-16-92
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/KevMo.jpg)
Thanks TAC
Hey maybe we were on the same part of the slanted floor there mostlikely i was near the bar tho lol!! huh?
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Wow! I'm gonna add these to my site. Do you have any other Kmo photos? I love his rolled-up sleeves, lol. It's so early 1990s.
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his latest releases :
(https://chromakey.squarespace.com/storage/COVER.full.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1297306428150)
Kev has made a mini site for this
https://chromakey.squarespace.com/
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I deeply miss his songwriting and lyrics also. Would love to see him one more time in DT at least in a one-off show (on DVD of course) with the band playing all his old tunes. Should be a double venue: Images and words - intermission - Awake. He´s a brilliant musician and I wish him the best.
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As nice as it is to see the Kevin Moore thread bumped, we do actually have an entire subforum for him, now.
Worth checking out. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?board=2.0)
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his latest releases :
(https://chromakey.squarespace.com/storage/COVER.full.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1297306428150)
Kev has made a mini site for this
https://chromakey.squarespace.com/
Hasn't he been composing this album for ages or something? :p
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Nope. It's actually a few years old, only now getting a release.
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Bought Shine a while back, CD/poster hasn't come but the music is pretty good!
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It's hard. I really like rudess, but to me, moore had more to offer in terms of diversity. he was much more of an artistic contributor with relation to the band as a whole. he added this rich, atmospheric element to DT, as well as a songwriting aspect which is somewhat lacking with rudy, imo. people always say rudess fits better because he is a better musician, but that's only a one dimensional argument, because when moore was still a part of the band, DT was not based solely on musicianship, as it was only one component of the multifaceted DT machine. rudess being the phenomenal musician he is, reinforced the idea that DT was a band whose main attraction was crazy solos and odd time signatures, when in my opinion, they are so much more than that.
/rant.
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people always say rudess fits better because he is a better musician
Maybe this is showcasing my musical ignorance once again, but I've never really grasped this. Did DT honestly ever have to "dumb down" anything that they originally wanted so that Moore could play it? Was he actually limiting them with his less-than-godly chops? He always sounded great to me, like he fit in just fine, hardly a weak link technically. And I won't even start on his ability to contribute atmosphere and texture to songs.
Rudess is a mind-blowing musician as far as I can tell, but did adding him really open up all these new possibilities for DT that were being held back when Moore was in the band? I don't buy it.
-J
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i never said they had to "dumb down" things for moore, brotherman.
but yah, he fit alright.
edit - will you people please get an avatar so i can recognize you? kthanx.
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My bad, that wasn't intended to be directed at you, I've heard a lot of people say things like that. "Jordan's technical superiority makes him a better fit for DT", etc.
-J
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Kevin Moore. That is all.
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My bad, that wasn't intended to be directed at you, I've heard a lot of people say things like that. "Jordan's technical superiority makes him a better fit for DT", etc.
-J
I almost think of it as the way most super groups turned out, minus the "everyone has egos" part of course. The idea if phenomenal on paper and when it clicks, it clicks so well, but the rest of the time (most of the time for almost all of those groups) it gets a little unbearable.
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I just want you all to know that I think Hell Mary is a wonderfully ominous way to close Dead Air for Radios.
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Definitely. One of the creepiest tracks I've ever listened to.
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Noy sure how many people know this, but KM made a "Hell Mary" video back in the late 1990s and posted it on Chromakey.com for fans to download. Check it out:
https://www.themooreatorium.com/id332.html
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WTF I'm watching?
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There's also a video for "Camera 4." Few people know about them. A fellow KM fan saved them on his computer for a decade after KM made it available for fans to download in the late 1990s. Here's "Camera 4":
https://www.themooreatorium.com/id331.html
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The Hell Mary video creeped the fuck out of me. I don't wanna go to bed now.
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He's a shrink now: :lol
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/?fbclid=IwAR28FPQTLTP0BP45HZnH-EagCRmlWeNsSSw9z9KEK7WItSQuwNCQX0IDvt8
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Imagine going to the guy that wrote Space-dye vest to discuss your depression and anxiety.
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Imagine going to the guy that wrote Space-dye vest to discuss your depression and anxiety.
No shit! The irony drips. If he can never be open again, how can he expect others to be open. :lol :rollin :lol
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Plot twist: MP is treating his OCD with Dr. Moore.
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His profile picture is pretty :metal :lol
It's cool he decided to pursue this. You can see, in his Chroma Key albums, he's been interested in Human Psychiatry. Especially, Graveyard Mountain Home. Maybe, that's what he does with Chroma key, and why it sounds uplifting and just overall, optimistic, at times. Like, even though life is bad, you can still enjoy the scent and beauty of the flowers.
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PATIENT: Hello, Dr. Moore, how are you?
KM: Doing fine, but don't waste my time. Tell me what it is you want to say.
I wonder if he still has bases to cover....
Minot, North Dakota of all places. Wow....
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Good for him.
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Congratulations Dr Moore! :metal
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A musician and a shrink? Adami has got some competition!
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He's a shrink now: :lol
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/?fbclid=IwAR28FPQTLTP0BP45HZnH-EagCRmlWeNsSSw9z9KEK7WItSQuwNCQX0IDvt8
"initially of a member of a successful rock band...." :lol
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PATIENT: Hello, Dr. Moore, how are you?
KM: Doing fine, but don't waste my time. Tell me what it is you want to say.
I wonder if he still has bases to cover....
This is one of the best posts I've ever seen on this site.
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I think that it's more interesting that he went to school in Iowa and ended up living in North Dakota.
Anyway, all I have to say is WOW!
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His profile picture is pretty :metal :lol
It's cool he decided to pursue this. You can see, in his Chroma Key albums, he's been interested in Human Psychiatry. Especially, Graveyard Mountain Home.
It is, he's very handsome :blush
Not just GMH, I had a long post about how Colorblind relates to a psychiatry-related essay in a book of essays by a famous psychiatrist whose name is (I think) Oliver Sacks. I'll dig it up if anyone wants to read it and can't find it on their own.
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He's a shrink now: :lol
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/?fbclid=IwAR28FPQTLTP0BP45HZnH-EagCRmlWeNsSSw9z9KEK7WItSQuwNCQX0IDvt8
Why is that funny?
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He's a shrink now: :lol
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/?fbclid=IwAR28FPQTLTP0BP45HZnH-EagCRmlWeNsSSw9z9KEK7WItSQuwNCQX0IDvt8
Why is that funny?
Rockstar got a real job
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I think that it's more interesting that he went to school in Iowa and ended up living in North Dakota.
I find that interesting as well. I thought I read not too long ago that he was living in Turkey! I guess he gets around...
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I thought I read not too long ago that he was living in Turkey! I guess he gets around...
That was in the mid-2000's. He came back to America afterwards, and before that he was in Costa Rica. I had no idea he was in North Dakota now either, the last time he updated us was Iowa. He does get around, I imagine you can find people on this board who know in which neighborhoods JP's and MP's houses are, and we didn't even know what state KM was in :rollin
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I imagine you can find people on this board who know in which neighborhoods JP's and MP's houses are, and we didn't even know what state KM was in :rollin
If for no other reason, this is because their home addresses were made public when MP initiated legal action back in 2011. KM, on the other hand, has been mostly an afterthought to most DT fans for the past 25 years.
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He's a shrink now: :lol
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/?fbclid=IwAR28FPQTLTP0BP45HZnH-EagCRmlWeNsSSw9z9KEK7WItSQuwNCQX0IDvt8
Why is that funny?
Uh oh somebody got triggered!
It’s funny because he looks like a nut job or serial killer. Based on this pic would you go to him? LOL at the Moore sheep.
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He's a shrink now: :lol
https://www.trinityhealth.org/providers/kevin-moore/?fbclid=IwAR28FPQTLTP0BP45HZnH-EagCRmlWeNsSSw9z9KEK7WItSQuwNCQX0IDvt8
Why is that funny?
Uh oh somebody got triggered!
It’s funny because he looks like a nut job or serial killer. Based on this pic would you go to him? LOL at the Moore sheep.
???
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:lol you heard it here first, admiring someone for becoming a psychiatrist in his fifties is classic "triggered Moore sheep" behavior. Saying he looks like a serial killer is, on the other hand, very nice and balanced forum behavior.
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Osteopath who did a psychiatric residency? Doesn't even make sense to me but maybe it's just a geographical thing.
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:lol you heard it here first, admiring someone for becoming a psychiatrist in his fifties is classic "triggered Moore sheep" behavior. Saying he looks like a serial killer is, on the other hand, very nice and balanced forum behavior.
Yeah...strange. I just asked why it was funny Moore became a psychiatrist. I didn't know Dream Team was laughing at Moore's picture. It is a bit of a goofy picture.
I'm not familiar with Dream Team's personality. Maybe he was joking about the "triggered Moore sheep" thing?
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This thread has nowhere to set it's aim
So it's everywhere
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
Same here - maybe it's the russians! :omg:
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Doctor Blair....Doctor Blair.....Doctor Jay Hamilton Doctor Jay Hamilton.........
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Doctor Blair....Doctor Blair.....Doctor Jay Hamilton Doctor Jay Hamilton.........
You bastard!
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
It'll never be open again
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
It'll never be open again
Still works for me.
He has been very quiet on his Patreon page. Hoping he will start releasing music again next year.
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
It'll never be open again
Still works for me.
It worked for me now as well. Temporary glitch, I guess.
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
It'll never be open again
Still works for me.
He has been very quiet on his Patreon page. Hoping he will start releasing music again next year.
Would be nice. I have actually been fidgeting around on Canva making imaginary album artwork for the next Chroma Key out of photos of my old neighborhood :mora:
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The link seems no longer to be working. Hmm...
It'll never be open again
Still works for me.
He has been very quiet on his Patreon page. Hoping he will start releasing music again next year.
Patreon, is now looking more as a way to help him throughout his schooling. I don't mind that at all, as we got some great songs in the meantime, it was a nice trade-off, We fund him for his school, and we get good music. That's just smart thinking.
Now, I hope he gets all these demoes, and records these songs with better production, and releases and album.
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So...I'm not what you'd call a Kevin Moore fanboy. To me, OSI and Chroma Key are unlistenable. UNLISTENABLE.
However, I became a fan of Dream Theater in the summer of 1992, and literally listened to nothing but Dream Theater for the better part of the next year and a half.
I saw them 4 times on the I&W tour, and was trading bootlegs at the time. So I not only had I&W, but a number of concert recordings as well. In the Album Listening Thread, I posted that I will be going through the DT Live Eras over the next few months. I dedicated this week to the I&W Era.
Images And Words is the greatest album these ears have ever heard. It's pretty much perfect. And live, the band was the greatest live band I'd ever seen. Kevin Moore easily meshed with the vituostic talents of JP, MP, and JM...and JLB for that matter. Those early unisons with JP set the stage for the JR Era.
But there was an..elegance that he brought to Dream Theater. DT has made so much great music over their career, but I really don't think they ever achieved the magic that was created in '92-'93.
It's funny. I rank Awake very highly, but when it came out, it was kind of a head scratcher. I still remember my very first listen. It wasn't until I got to the last song, Space Dye Vest, that I thought matched the...again..the elegance of I&W. I know KevMo played some nice shadings and colors to Awake, but he is really AWOL on that album IMO.
One bootleg, I think it's Osaka, is very keyboard heavy, so you can almost listen to KevMo in isolation. I think Only A Matter Of Time was his strongest performance.
Anyway, I just wanted to give a shout out to Kevin Moore, as he really stood out to me over the last week while listening to a number of DT live shows.
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It's funny. I rank Awake very highly, but when it came out, it was kind of a head scratcher. I still remember my very first listen. It wasn't until I got to the last song, Space Dye Vest, that I thought matched the...again..the elegance of I&W. I know KevMo played some nice shadings and colors to Awake, but he is really AWOL on that album IMO.
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Anyway, I just wanted to give a shout out to Kevin Moore, as he really stood out to me over the last week while listening to a number of DT live shows.
It would be interesting to hear how Awake would have turned out keyboard-wise if Kevin hadn’t left the band. May be urban legend, but I was always under the impression the band intentionally toned down/kept some of the keyboard parts out of the final mix after Kevin announced he was leaving the band. Not that Awake has a lot of room for lots of airy keyboard sounds, but I wonder if there was supposed to be a bit more of a Kevin Moore presence before he quit. I suppose the demos might shed some light there (have never heard those).
I agree there was something magical about Kevin’s writing and playing that DT never recaptured after he left. There was virtuosity there, but not at the expense of melody or well structured parts. I think Kevin was maybe the most “artsy” of the band members for lack of a better word, which sent him off in a different direction from the band, but also was something Derek and Jordan didn’t quite replace (even if I might prefer Derek of the three on most days - he’s kind of a good blend between virtuosity and rock vibe, sort of a middle ground between Kevin and Jordan).
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So...I'm not what you'd call a Kevin Moore fanboy. To me, OSI and Chroma Key are unlistenable. UNLISTENABLE.
And I thought I was the only one... :eek
I think that, outside of DT, the only KM stuff I like are the Fates Warning albums he's part of.
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May be urban legend, but I was always under the impression the band intentionally toned down/kept some of the keyboard parts out of the final mix after Kevin announced he was leaving the band.
Why would they do that?
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So...I'm not what you'd call a Kevin Moore fanboy. To me, OSI and Chroma Key are unlistenable. UNLISTENABLE.
And I thought I was the only one... :eek
I think that, outside of DT, the only KM stuff I like are the Fates Warning albums he's part of.
The first Chroma Key album isn’t so far afield from something like Space Dye Vest (at least in places). That album and the first OSI are both albums I really enjoy. The second Chroma Key less so, but it has some cool parts. OSI dropped off fast after the debut I thought.
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May be urban legend, but I was always under the impression the band intentionally toned down/kept some of the keyboard parts out of the final mix after Kevin announced he was leaving the band.
Why would they do that?
Not sure why or if they would (though something similar happened when Steve Hackett left Genesis), just something I remember reading at some point. But it may have just been speculation. I may be confusing it with a record company directive to produce a darker, heavier album.
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Not that Awake has a lot of room for lots of airy keyboard sounds, but I wonder if there was supposed to be a bit more of a Kevin Moore presence before he quit. I suppose the demos might shed some light there (have never heard those).
Huh. I ignored the Awake Demos when they were first released on Ytsejam, but now I think I'm intrigued to hear them.
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It would be interesting to hear how Awake would have turned out keyboard-wise if Kevin hadn’t left the band. May be urban legend, but I was always under the impression the band intentionally toned down/kept some of the keyboard parts out of the final mix after Kevin announced he was leaving the band. Not that Awake has a lot of room for lots of airy keyboard sounds, but I wonder if there was supposed to be a bit more of a Kevin Moore presence before he quit. I suppose the demos might shed some light there (have never heard those).
I'd have to double-check Lifting Shadows, but I don't think KM announced his plans to leave the band until after Awake was finished.
Edit: never mind on this part, the book says "towards the end of the recording sessions" not "after"
MP has gone on record saying that if the band knew he was leaving, they wouldn't have included Space-Dye Vest on the album, given how personal the song is. With that in mind, since this was something they'd want to do but felt it was too late, I don't think diminishing KM's already-made contributions to the album (once they did know he was leaving) was a priority that late in the process.
"When we first heard [Space-Dye Vest] we thought it was so very, very different we didn't think we even wanted to fuck with it," [MP] explains. "At the time we decided to put 'Space-Dye Vest' on the album because we thought Kev was staying in the band. In retrospect, if we had known earlier that he would be leaving I don't think we would even have put in on the album."
Lifting Shadows p136
Awake also had its final mix done without oversight from the band, because the band weren't happy with the earlier mixes done with their input.
"Well yeah. We tried doing it one way and that didn't work," admitted James [LaBrie]. "We were all in the studio when it first started and it was just unfair to the producers. Obviously each guy was focusing on his instrument, so it was like 'Wait, I want me up more!' So they were trying to please everyone and you just can't do that. You have to have some objectivity, so they were left alone."
Lifting Shadows p126
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Awake also had its final mix done without oversight from the band, because the band weren't happy with the earlier mixes done with their input.
"Well yeah. We tried doing it one way and that didn't work," admitted James [LaBrie]. "We were all in the studio when it first started and it was just unfair to the producers. Obviously each guy was focusing on his instrument, so it was like 'Wait, I want me up more!' So they were trying to please everyone and you just can't do that. You have to have some objectivity, so they were left alone."
Lifting Shadows p126
It could be that what I'm thinking of is without Kevin in the room advocating for his own parts, they weren't brought out as much as maybe they could have been. As you note though, the producers got to do the final product, so it would have been their call and not the band's if his parts were downplayed.
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Awake also had its final mix done without oversight from the band, because the band weren't happy with the earlier mixes done with their input.
"Well yeah. We tried doing it one way and that didn't work," admitted James [LaBrie]. "We were all in the studio when it first started and it was just unfair to the producers. Obviously each guy was focusing on his instrument, so it was like 'Wait, I want me up more!' So they were trying to please everyone and you just can't do that. You have to have some objectivity, so they were left alone."
Lifting Shadows p126
It could be that what I'm thinking of is without Kevin in the room advocating for his own parts, they weren't brought out as much as maybe they could have been. As you note though, the producers got to do the final product, so it would have been their call and not the band's if his parts were downplayed.
Maybe, but when the band learnt of KM's intent to leave the band, they didn't tell anyone until at least after the album was already finished. So if the producers wanted to downplay KM's playing, it was for a different reason than his departure, since they wouldn't have known at the time.
The departure of the keyboard player had been kept under wraps and away from the record label until the last possible moment, hoping that they could quietly find a replacement and avoid unsettling their East West paymasters.
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"As soon as we finished recording we went home for the wedding" recalls Mike. "Even at my wedding we knew that Kev was leaving the band as he had already told us, but we hadn't told anybody else. The label and management were getting fired up for the new album, and we didn't want to take the wind from anyone's sails. We just wanted to deliver the record before anybody knew about it."
Lifting Shadows p130
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Awake also had its final mix done without oversight from the band, because the band weren't happy with the earlier mixes done with their input.
"Well yeah. We tried doing it one way and that didn't work," admitted James [LaBrie]. "We were all in the studio when it first started and it was just unfair to the producers. Obviously each guy was focusing on his instrument, so it was like 'Wait, I want me up more!' So they were trying to please everyone and you just can't do that. You have to have some objectivity, so they were left alone."
Lifting Shadows p126
It could be that what I'm thinking of is without Kevin in the room advocating for his own parts, they weren't brought out as much as maybe they could have been. As you note though, the producers got to do the final product, so it would have been their call and not the band's if his parts were downplayed.
Maybe, but when the band learnt of KM's intent to leave the band, they didn't tell anyone until at least after the album was already finished. So if the producers wanted to downplay KM's playing, it was for a different reason than his departure, since they wouldn't have known at the time.
The departure of the keyboard player had been kept under wraps and away from the record label until the last possible moment, hoping that they could quietly find a replacement and avoid unsettling their East West paymasters.
[...]
"As soon as we finished recording we went home for the wedding" recalls Mike. "Even at my wedding we knew that Kev was leaving the band as he had already told us, but we hadn't told anybody else. The label and management were getting fired up for the new album, and we didn't want to take the wind from anyone's sails. We just wanted to deliver the record before anybody knew about it."
Lifting Shadows p130
Ah, interesting. Then it was likely more that the producers, record company, and/or band just wanted a heavier, less keyboard oriented release to begin with.
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IDontNotDoThings, thanks for posting those quotes. I didn't know about some of those details.
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So...I'm not what you'd call a Kevin Moore fanboy. To me, OSI and Chroma Key are unlistenable. UNLISTENABLE.
However, I became a fan of Dream Theater in the summer of 1992, and literally listened to nothing but Dream Theater for the better part of the next year and a half.
I saw them 4 times on the I&W tour, and was trading bootlegs at the time. So I not only had I&W, but a number of concert recordings as well. In the Album Listening Thread, I posted that I will be going through the DT Live Eras over the next few months. I dedicated this week to the I&W Era.
Images And Words is the greatest album these ears have ever heard. It's pretty much perfect. And live, the band was the greatest live band I'd ever seen. Kevin Moore easily meshed with the vituostic talents of JP, MP, and JM...and JLB for that matter. Those early unisons with JP set the stage for the JR Era.
But there was an..elegance that he brought to Dream Theater. DT has made so much great music over their career, but I really don't think they ever achieved the magic that was created in '92-'93.
It's funny. I rank Awake very highly, but when it came out, it was kind of a head scratcher. I still remember my very first listen. It wasn't until I got to the last song, Space Dye Vest, that I thought matched the...again..the elegance of I&W. I know KevMo played some nice shadings and colors to Awake, but he is really AWOL on that album IMO.
One bootleg, I think it's Osaka, is very keyboard heavy, so you can almost listen to KevMo in isolation. I think Only A Matter Of Time was his strongest performance.
Anyway, I just wanted to give a shout out to Kevin Moore, as he really stood out to me over the last week while listening to a number of DT live shows.
I don't have the same experience of seeing the band that you do, but everything else is pretty close. I rate I&W VERY highly; it's not number one, but certainly top five or so. Excellent record then, and has held up over time very well. I always sort of equated Kevin Moore with Mark Kelly (Marillion) for some reason. Neither one was Keith Emerson/Rick Wakeman, but they were a sort of glue for the bands they were in, allowing the guitar player/drummer to do their thing.
I'm also a big fan of Kevin's lyrics. I think he brought a sensibility and approach that the band never consistently recaptured (even if they had their moments). I regret not seeing the band back in that time period; I lived in southern Connecticut at the time; they played within 30 minutes of my house probably 25 times with Kevin and I didn't see any of them for one reason or another.
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It's funny. I rank Awake very highly, but when it came out, it was kind of a head scratcher.
My initial reaction was, "where the heck are the keyboards?" They're there, of course, but it seemed like they were intentionally using patches to make the keys sound like another guitar. I didn't care for that approach too much because one of the big things about I&W that appealed to me was that they had masterfully integrated keyboards into metal music. When I first heard Awake, I was not yet aware that KM was no longer in the band (I don't know if I learned about that before seeing or because of the video for Lie).
May be urban legend, but I was always under the impression the band intentionally toned down/kept some of the keyboard parts out of the final mix after Kevin announced he was leaving the band.
Why would they do that?
I'm sure you're familiar with the stories about everyone fighting about making their instruments higher in the mix. If memory serves me correctly, KM announced his departure at the end of the album's recording sessions, so he wouldn't have been around for mixing. Thus, while they may not have intentionally lowered the keys, if KM wasn't around to advocate on behalf of his parts, the effect may have been the same.
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I remembered reading an old KM interview from the Chroma Key/SFAM era where Kev had some comments about the mix on Awake. I googled it and found a post here in DTF referring to it. The link for the actual interview is dead, but I'm quoting the original post here and highlighting the part where he talks about the mix for Awake and also SDV:
I found this old interview with Kevin Moore from around the time Chroma Key's You Go Now was released: https://www.oocities.org/hume2112/chromakeyint.html To my surprise he seemed pretty comfortable talking about DT:
2112: I’ve just got three Dream Theater questions now. Is that fine?
KM: Yeah.
2112: Do you still keep in touch with the band?
KM: By email, occasionally. But, we’ve pretty much gone our own way, I’d say. For the most part.
2112: Do you resent the fact that a lot of people still know you from Kevin Moore from Dream Theater, the player on Images and Words and Awake? Or are you happy you still have that legacy attached to your name?
KM: If people don’t know me as Kevin Moore from Dream Theater, people don’t know me. It’s either that or nothing (chuckles). It’s not like Chroma Key is huge. I really don’t have a problem with the Dream Theater thing at all. I mean, I’m happy with the work I did with Dream Theater. We did some interesting stuff.
2112: What was your favorite Dream Theater album to record?
KM: To record?
2112: Or maybe just your favorite Dream Theater album, sound-wise.
KM: I don’t know. I think the best sounding album is Images and Words. I think my sound is better on Awake, even though I hate the mix. The mix is terrible on Awake. But I like the sounds used on Awake better.
2112: Are you glad that Dream Theater recorded “Space Dye Vest”? I read an interview with Mike (Portnoy), and he said that if he had known you were leaving, they wouldn’t have recorded the song. Because it’s really your song, you wrote it. Are you glad you presented it to the band and it ended up on Awake?
KM: Yeah. I’m glad because that song kind of helped indicate the direction I was going to go with Chroma Key. Because that song might fit on a Chroma Key album. So it really gave people a hint, and I’m really just talking about Dream Theater fans, what kind of music I was going to be doing. Once they found out I left, they had that song to refer to.
2112: Have you heard the new one, Scenes From A Memory?
KM: I haven’t. Mike was supposed to send it me, but he hasn’t.
Earlier in the interview he also talked about the SDV lyrics and about practising keyboards when he was in DT.
I wonder what happened after 2000 and made him avoid having anything to do with Dream Theater... Was it MP's negative comments on him or did he simply get bored about being referred to as "ex-DT keyboardist"?
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I really like the way Awake sounds, it's my favourite after FII.
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I really like the way Awake sounds, it's my favourite after FII.
I do to. Awake and FII are definitely my two favorite sounding DT albums. I don't really have an issue with the balance of keyboards in the mix or the sounds Kevin used. In some ways I think they did an even better job incorporating keyboards into the metal sound of Awake than they did on I&W, though I agree the end result was a bit more subtle in the keyboard department.
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It's funny. I rank Awake very highly, but when it came out, it was kind of a head scratcher.
My initial reaction was, "where the heck are the keyboards?" They're there, of course, but it seemed like they were intentionally using patches to make the keys sound like another guitar. I didn't care for that approach too much because one of the big things about I&W that appealed to me was that they had masterfully integrated keyboards into metal music. When I first heard Awake, I was not yet aware that KM was no longer in the band (I don't know if I learned about that before seeing or because of the video for Lie).
May be urban legend, but I was always under the impression the band intentionally toned down/kept some of the keyboard parts out of the final mix after Kevin announced he was leaving the band.
Why would they do that?
I'm sure you're familiar with the stories about everyone fighting about making their instruments higher in the mix. If memory serves me correctly, KM announced his departure at the end of the album's recording sessions, so he wouldn't have been around for mixing. Thus, while they may not have intentionally lowered the keys, if KM wasn't around to advocate on behalf of his parts, the effect may have been the same.
I didn't know about that until IDontNotDoThings posted those quotes. I'm trying to imagine John Myung arguing about his space in the mix but I just can't see it :lol
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I'm also a big fan of Kevin's lyrics. I think he brought a sensibility and approach that the band never consistently recaptured (even if they had their moments).
He did! There's a red thread running through all of his work, something unique to just him, that just works for me. It's funny, I like JP and MP better when they were just trying things out and weren't fully formed lyric writers. They both solidified their approach into something that doesn't quite capture my attention in the same way.
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I'm also a big fan of Kevin's lyrics. I think he brought a sensibility and approach that the band never consistently recaptured (even if they had their moments).
He did! There's a red thread running through all of his work, something unique to just him, that just works for me. It's funny, I like JP and MP better when they were just trying things out and weren't fully formed lyric writers. They both solidified their approach into something that doesn't quite capture my attention in the same way.
Agree 100%. While KM obviously has a lot less songs in the catalog, I really like all of his lyrics. Even the super wordy early ones (Light Fuse and Get Away, Only a Matter of Time). I honestly can’t think of anything JP or MP did post-FII, that I like as much as the lyrics FII and back.
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I'm also a big fan of Kevin's lyrics. I think he brought a sensibility and approach that the band never consistently recaptured (even if they had their moments).
He did! There's a red thread running through all of his work, something unique to just him, that just works for me. It's funny, I like JP and MP better when they were just trying things out and weren't fully formed lyric writers. They both solidified their approach into something that doesn't quite capture my attention in the same way.
I'm with you 100% on that. I've sort of thought that many times over the years, musically as well. It's like their personal experimentation gave them their progressive edge, but once that solidified into a "genre" it tapped itself out a bit. I love Mike, I follow (most) of his projects and largely enjoy them, but I sort internally cringe when he talks about his "metal" band, his "hard rock" band, his "traditional prog" band, etc. Even if subconsciously, I can't imagine it doesn't restrict your thinking as to the choices you make. When you have ONE band that is everything - metal, hard rock, trad prog, modern prog - thrown into the mix, it implies a broader palate.
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I'm also a big fan of Kevin's lyrics. I think he brought a sensibility and approach that the band never consistently recaptured (even if they had their moments).
He did! There's a red thread running through all of his work, something unique to just him, that just works for me. It's funny, I like JP and MP better when they were just trying things out and weren't fully formed lyric writers. They both solidified their approach into something that doesn't quite capture my attention in the same way.
I can get on board with this, and it's something I've been thinking about this week while listening to the era.
I&W is great because of the music and performances, obviously, but I always found its lyrics fascinating. Songs like Surrounded, Under A Glass Moon, Take The Time...every song really, had some real interesting and thoughtful lyrics. While Moore has Surrounded, PMU, and Wait For Sleep, I find JP's lyrics on UAGM and Metropolis incredible.
So I agree that MP, and especially JP wrote their best lyrics when they were wide eyed and wondrous kids as opposed to relating life experiences.
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I didn't know about that until IDontNotDoThings posted those quotes. I'm trying to imagine John Myung arguing about his space in the mix but I just can't see it :lol
Clearly he's never fought very hard. :-(
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I didn't know about that until IDontNotDoThings posted those quotes. I'm trying to imagine John Myung arguing about his space in the mix but I just can't see it :lol
Clearly he's never fought very hard. :-(
Tis a shame.