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Title: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:24:23 PM
A few things to remember-
1. There will be no bashing of Mike Portnoy
2. There will be no bashing of Dream Theater
3. There will be no bashing of certain other forums


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I am about to write something I never imagined I'd ever write:

After 25 years, I have decided to leave Dream Theater....the band I founded, led and truly loved for a quarter of a century.
 
To many people this will come as a complete shock, and will also likely be misunderstood by some, but please believe me that it is not a hasty decision...it is something I have struggled with for the last year or so....

After having had such amazing experiences playing with Hail, Transatlantic and Avenged Sevenfold this past year, I have sadly come to the conclusion that I have recently had more fun and better personal relations with these other projects than I have for a while now in Dream Theater...
 
Please don't misinterpret me, I love the DT guys dearly and have a long history, friendship and bond that runs incredibly deep with them...it's just that I think we are in serious need of a little break...

Dream Theater was always my baby...and I nurtured that baby every single day and waking moment of my life since 1985...24/7, 365...never taking time off from DT's never-ending responsibilites (even when the band was "off" between cycles)...working overtime and way beyond the call of duty that most sane people ever would do for a band...

But I've come to the conclusion that the DT machine was starting to burn me out...and I really needed a break from the band in order to save my relationship with the other members and keep my DT spirit hungry and inspired.

We have been on an endless write/record/tour cycle for almost 20 years now (of which I have overseen EVERY aspect without a break) and while a few months apart from each other here & there over the years has been much needed and helpful, I honestly hoped the band could simply agree with me to taking a bit of a "hiatus" to recharge our batteries and "save me from ourselves"...
 
Sadly, in discussing this with the guys, they determined they do not share my feelings and have decided to continue without me rather than take a breather...I even offered to do some occasional work throughout 2011 against my initial wishes, but it was not to be...

While it truly hurts for me to even think of a Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy (hell, my father named the band!!), I do not want to stand in their way...so I have decided to sacrifice myself and simply leave the band so as to not hold them back against their wishes....
 
Strangely enough, I just read an interview that I recently did that asked me about the future of DT and I talked about "always following your heart and being true to yourself"...sadly I must say that at this particular moment, my heart is not with Dream Theater...and I would simply be "going through the motions", and would honestly NOT be true to myself if I stayed for the sake of obligation without taking the break I felt I needed.
 
I wish the guys the best and hope the music and legacy we created together is enjoyed by fans for decades to come...I am proud of every album we made, every song we wrote and every show we played....

I'm sorry to all the disappointed DT fans around the world...I really tried to salvage the situation and make it work...I honestly just wanted a break (not a split)...but happiness cannot be forced, it needs to come from within....

You DT fans are the greatest fans in the world and as you all know, I have always busted my ass for you guys and I hope that you will stay with me on my future musical journey, wherever it may lead me....(and as you all know my work ethic, there will surely be no shortage of future MP projects!)

Sadly...
Your fearless ex-leader and drummer,
MP




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From James' website
Quote
DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.

While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2011, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."

All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 06:24:47 PM
WHAT


THE



FUCK?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 06:26:04 PM
Best be a joke.....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chknptpie on September 08, 2010, 06:26:55 PM
WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Why did it have to be when I was just getting to know this band in the last year? WHY!?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 08, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Dammit. I think many of us saw this coming, but it still feels completely unexpected.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: jezstyle on September 08, 2010, 06:27:38 PM
WUT.

;_;
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:27:48 PM
MAN, NO!

I'm feeling awful.....NO, DARN!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:28:30 PM
I want this to be a joke, but I can't see him joking about this... crazy fucking news.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 06:29:05 PM
I'm completely stunned, but I have to give it a few days to make sure this isn't a joke cause he lost a bet and I begin a mental breakdown.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TimmyHiggy on September 08, 2010, 06:29:16 PM
Terrible news! The Portnoy output in Hail/A7X has been nothing on the DT output, and the Transatlantic releases have been great in a more jammy kinda way than live DT. I hope that he realises that in quitting DT he is probably causing the greatest prog metal band around to break up!
I really can't express how bad an idea this is. I hope he is very happy working with other peoples side projects/inferior bands
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bmc on September 08, 2010, 06:29:41 PM
OH MY FUCKING GOD. kill me now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 08, 2010, 06:30:28 PM
So fucking unexpected. I had just read in a recent interview Mike saying he would never leave DT "it's my baby", etc.
His reasons though... He wanted a break from DT, but still continued to play in so many other sideprojects and A7X???!?!?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
Holy crap, I feel like breaking up with my lifetime girlfriend or something to that extent....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
Are you fucking shitting me?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 08, 2010, 06:31:09 PM
If this is true, I'm going to cry my eyes out. I will leave out the hate until this is 100% confirmed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 06:31:45 PM
HOLY SHIT


he'll be back. i know it. he will realize what he left down the road
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 08, 2010, 06:32:09 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arcaeus on September 08, 2010, 06:32:20 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't either.

I feel bad for you guys if it's the latter.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
So fucking unexpected. I had just read in a recent interview Mike saying he would never leave DT "it's my baby", etc.
His reasons though... He wanted a break from DT, but still continued to play in so many other sideprojects and A7X???!?!?

Yeah...I kinda get the reasons thing...but hey!? No one forced him to be so restless in terms of DT...We all appreciated what he did for us, DT fans, but we even wished he could take a break...and his break is spent touring with other projects...? Hey, not cool...and I'm not bashing MP at all, I love him and I consider him a great drummer, but I sincerely can't digest these news right now...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 06:32:50 PM
The part that confuses me is that the band would go on without him... who the hell is going to play drums? Kevin Moore?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: toro on September 08, 2010, 06:33:06 PM
WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chknptpie on September 08, 2010, 06:33:10 PM
If this is true, I'm going to cry my eyes out. I will leave out the hate until this is 100% confirmed.

MP Posted it on FB and Twitter.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 06:34:36 PM
I don't know though, would MP abandon DT. I think it might be a joke to get the fans crazy, but if it is a joke, it's not that funny
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 08, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chknptpie on September 08, 2010, 06:36:14 PM
HE PROMISED ARIZONA A HEADLINER! Jerk! lol :(:(:(:(:(:(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TimmyHiggy on September 08, 2010, 06:36:37 PM
I really believed that if JR/JlB left DT then they could carry on, but after so many years with 3 members constant then surely this is it for the band?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 08, 2010, 06:36:40 PM
I really never thought I'd see the day... I can't believe how much this is affecting me, I barely even listen to them anymore!

WHY AM I SO SAD
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:36:48 PM
WTF?  :sadpanda: :'( this is terrible news
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2010, 06:36:57 PM
This is EXACTLY what I was freaking out about when he started playing/recording with A7X.

This is a terrible day for the music industry.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zeltar on September 08, 2010, 06:37:41 PM
Holy fucking shit. I'm paralyzed in shock. Wow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 06:38:01 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 08, 2010, 06:38:05 PM
Okay guys.

One thing to keep in consideration-

It appears, by Mike's post, that this statement means Dream Theater will continue to put things out (as Mike left because HE wanted to take a break).

So, we're still bound to get plenty of Dream Theater.

That, and, we're bound to get more Transatlantic (hopefully).

BUT this also means the end of the hardest working force in the band... the guy that brought us the custom setlists, official bootlegs, and probably all the other things that we'll never notice.... (along with RORO vocals).

So, trying to be optimistic here.... More DT output... More TA output... and no more RORO... There we go.

 :-[
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
I just don't understand....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 08, 2010, 06:38:41 PM
Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?

It's like this horrible sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
A sad part about this is it's not like this could even mean Transatlantic will become permanent considering Neal Morse could hold that up at will.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 08, 2010, 06:38:59 PM
WHAT

THE
FUCK
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 06:39:30 PM
FUCKFUCKFUCK I'M CRYING
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
I doubt it's going to be the same without Mike. The guy was a MAJOR writing force.

I'd honestly rather they just hang it up and go solo forever. Their solo material is great, and trying to release a DT album without MP is like trying to release a PT album without Steven Wilson.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 08, 2010, 06:39:56 PM
He must have read this thread and said, "I'll show them..."

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16048.0 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16048.0)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 06:40:14 PM
My only optimistic thought is that if they even can find a replacement drummer...that maybe this means more JM involvement.

Other than that, I'm going to go cry like a bitch and listen to Disappear.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 06:40:40 PM
I'm sorry for that thread...  :-[
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zeltar on September 08, 2010, 06:40:54 PM
I really never thought I'd see the day... I can't believe how much this is affecting me, I barely even listen to them anymore!

WHY AM I SO SAD
This.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ddtonfire on September 08, 2010, 06:40:59 PM
Why am I not surprised? It'll be very interesting to see who they pick up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 06:41:11 PM
This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
MP's facebook
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:41:44 PM
they shouldn't pick anybody up. Just hang up the boots.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 08, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
I am in complete shock.  I'm either going to wake up from this horrible dream, or Mike will update in thirty minutes explaining that someone hacked his accounts.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:42:06 PM
A sad part about this is it's not like this could even mean Transatlantic will become permanent considering Neal Morse could hold that up at will.
man yeah...wtf? Hail? That was a once-in-a-lifetime experience (twice or thrice, maybe), Transatlantic? Heck, that's not happening any time soon again...A7X?! Avenged Fucking Sevenfold?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 06:42:11 PM
Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?

It's like this horrible sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
If he left DT to join Avenged Sevenfold... I don't know... it just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
MP's facebook

And twitter, and MP.com
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:42:32 PM
I am in complete shock.  I'm either going to wake up from this horrible dream, or Mike will update in thirty minutes explaining that someone hacked his accounts.  

I'd like to hope this is true
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
WHAT THE FUCK
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 06:42:56 PM
I am blown away. Absolutely stunned. There are no words.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2010, 06:43:35 PM
If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TimmyHiggy on September 08, 2010, 06:43:43 PM
This really does not compute. Where is the origin of this?
MP's facebook
And Twitter.
I tweeted my sadness at him. I hope he does something more than the odd Transatlantic release/ join A7X  as his talents are wasted in something with such rare/uncreative releases
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 06:44:03 PM
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 06:44:25 PM
If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.

THIS
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 08, 2010, 06:44:40 PM
Really, really shocking.

At the same time, I'm almost more excited now to see both who will replace him (assuming he's correct about the rest of the band continuing on), and to see what direction they'll go in considering how incredibly influential he was in the band. I hate to say it, but I'm almost more excited at the prospect of their next album after hearing this news, as well as the idea of more Transatlantic and such.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:45:13 PM
maybe the old Opeth drummer will join them
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 08, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.


Everything you said is completely true, but fuck I'm still so sad about this.

And who gives a shit if he joins A7X full time? It's probably a good fit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 06:45:33 PM
If this is true, I comend the other four for deciding to carry on.  It's gonna be big shoes to fill, but I myself see no reason why they shouldn't carry on, you have four members that have been together for over ten years, so there's no problem.

Hopefully with MP gone, we'll see some fresh sounds with input from all members, it might be a good thing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arcaeus on September 08, 2010, 06:46:18 PM
If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.

This is exactly what I hopes he does. I don't like A7X nearly as much as I like DT, but if he doesn't have the passion for DT anymore and is enjoying himself in A7X (and doing a damn good job, too), why not stay there? If the fans don't understand, then screw them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:47:05 PM
Yeah, actually the more I think of it, it might work well for Dream Theater. But I just can't imagine DT without Portnoy. I mean, he WAS their stage presence.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: toro on September 08, 2010, 06:47:12 PM
I'm whit sigz i would like to hear DT whitout MP, but DAMN A7X really A7X?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:47:22 PM
He's saying he hopes the other guys carry on without him? And yet he's putting up statuses like "This is a sad, sad day....I'm afraid I have some bad news....
MP/DT Sept 1985 - Sept 2010"

I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.

You're kind of the strong/objetive guy in here...maybe you're right, maybe they will benefit, or maybe they won't. Who knows? The thing is, it's very hard to imagine Dream Theater without one of its core fundations...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gorille85 on September 08, 2010, 06:47:32 PM
WTF!? :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Elsydeon on September 08, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SirVoltage on September 08, 2010, 06:48:13 PM
I just saw this on facebook,
I thought oh, thats bullshit, someone must have hacked his account.
Then it's on his forum.

Shit man.

Shit.

Although, I'm not as surprised as I thought I might have been.

Also, since he says the rest of band want to carry on, I'm very interested to see what their music sounds like, minus the creative force that MP was, and just how it shakes up the band, also curious will be whether they release it under the name Dream Theater.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 06:48:27 PM
Hopefully Labrie and Myung will get some more input now, I think the next DT will be very diverse and fresh, looking foward to it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: weirdharold2112 on September 08, 2010, 06:48:36 PM
Why am I getting this unsteady feeling MP's becoming A7X's permanent drummer?

It's like this horrible sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
My feelings exactly.  Holy crap...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 06:48:45 PM
Imagine Gavin Harrison on the next DT studio album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
fuck i'm still tear. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 08, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
The more I think about this, the more excited I'm getting. And as long as Portnoy and the other members are happy, I see no reason to feel otherwise.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:49:23 PM
I think it will still be Dream Theater. Portnoy will want it to continue on for his father's legacy
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: yeshaberto on September 08, 2010, 06:49:50 PM
WOW!  This is a sad day indeed.  I feel like a friend died or something
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 06:49:59 PM
I'm sorry, But I am glad I have this forum to rage on. People on MPs forum are all positive and saying good job following your heart.

However, I am somewhat excited for the future if DT continues. Who knows what could happen
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 08, 2010, 06:50:04 PM
well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?

Thomas Lang
many others.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
WOW!  This is a sad day indeed.  I feel like a friend died or something

This exactly
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sonatafanica on September 08, 2010, 06:50:18 PM
Holy shit! I don't really listen to Dream Theater, but this is something I never imagined happening.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 06:50:21 PM
The more I think about this, the more excited I'm getting. And as long as Portnoy and the other members are happy, I see no reason to feel otherwise.
YOU ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE GROWN WEARY OF DT'S MUSIC. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FELT THE NEED TO LISTEN TO THEM IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO. TRAITOR!









jk  :heart
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pirate on September 08, 2010, 06:50:36 PM
I am sad that MP has left a band that he is hugely involved with, be it for sentimental reasons, loyalty, friendship, and so on. However, (if these sentiments aren't 'too soon') I think this might be the beginning of a new era of DT. After all of these years with the same formula, it may be time for the rest of the members to come up with something new. For however long the remaining line-up stays with us, they can continue to think up new and exciting things for DT. Just think- MP is the co-producer (of albums) and director (of live DVDs) in the studio, while he also sees over his forum (which is largely DT-based), tour details, and so-on on the road- all of these aspects could be wildly different with some new people joining the team.

So all in all, I think it's a great loss and we won't forget it - the proverbial door has been shut. But- the window has been opened for DT!

Oh and Bacong, YES.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 06:51:46 PM
If he becomes full time drummer for A7X, I won't even be able to contain the rage.

I will rage with the force of 1000 burning suns
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 08, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.

Pretty much this. But still, holy fucking shit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 08, 2010, 06:52:42 PM
I really don't see why him drumming for A7X is a big deal.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 06:52:49 PM
Portnoy used divine intervention
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 06:52:53 PM
he'll be back
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 06:52:59 PM
This pretty much has me weeping.

NP: Dream Theater - "A Change of Seasons"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 08, 2010, 06:53:20 PM
Portnoy used divine intervention

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:53:26 PM
Even if this leads to them putting out albums I enjoy more than I have in the past (which I seriously doubt), it's like Maiden without Harris, it just doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 08, 2010, 06:53:34 PM
I really don't see why him drumming for A7X is a big deal.

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 06:54:06 PM
I really don't see why him drumming for A7X is a big deal.
I think it's mainly how he constantly said it's not permanent... DT is his baby, but this happens.

I am coming to terms with it now. You guys have me excited for the future
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
Although nothing has crossed the line yet I want everyone to understand there will be NO bashing of MP over this, and he will be respected as any past member has been on this forum as per the rules.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 08, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
This is one of the most unlikley things I could imagine, I can't believe it. :-[
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TimmyHiggy on September 08, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
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epic statistics!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
I will never bash MP, but I just wish there had been a little bit of a lead-up or whatever, not a "I'm out, later".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
I'll be really interested to hear the rest of the band members comment on this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
Yeah, I'm feeling a bit more easy right now...but still, I feel like breaking up with my girlfriend I've been together with all my life. Maybe I met a lot of interesting girls thanks to her, maybe I had some fun with some of them, but that one girlfriend was always there when you needed to come back for anything. That's probably how I feel right now about this...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
My comparison is horrible, I would never do such a thing. This is really starting to get on my nerves  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 06:57:33 PM
It just won't seem like "Dream Theater" without him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 06:57:56 PM
Why do I get the feeling that DT won't find anyone that fits, or they'll try and it won't work, then will split up.

The most likely thing I can see happening is getting harrison or something in for studio, no idea about live.

Fuck i'm still crying 30 minutes later.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
I'll be really interested to hear the rest of the band members comment on this.

Yeah, I can't wait to hear what JP says about this. (It pretty much goes without saying he'll be the figurehead of the band now, even if he doesn't end up being the leader.)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chagny on September 08, 2010, 06:58:26 PM
Wow, and it's my birthday too.
But it's not like he's dying. And I'm 500% certain he'll have some sort of involvement with DT somewhere down the road.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
I don't want to see them get somebody temporarily for the studio and then go out live with someone else. Find your guy, believe in him and stick to it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: pianoman on September 08, 2010, 06:59:21 PM
MAX PORTNOY FOR DT DRUMMER!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 06:59:26 PM
Hopefully this brings about a new DT album quicker, just so we can begin to judge then.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 06:59:26 PM
Dream Theater's next album will be 3 discs of the best post rock of all time
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 08, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
I have a hard time seeing Gavin Harrison joining.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sonatafanica on September 08, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
Hey, didn't LaBrie used to play drums?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 08, 2010, 07:00:15 PM
I'm still impressed that they've decided to carry on, I didn't expext that at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 07:00:21 PM
I have a hard time seeing Gavin Harrison joining.

I can say quite confidently that won't be happening, makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: splent on September 08, 2010, 07:00:21 PM
I'm at baby class right now so I can't comment further than I am right now. But I am totally caught off guard but not completely surprised. I'll comment later.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 07:00:32 PM
I'll be really interested to hear the rest of the band members comment on this.

Yeah, I can't wait to hear what JP says about this. (It pretty much goes without saying he'll be the figurehead of the band now, even if he doesn't end up being the leader.)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 07:00:44 PM
I don't want to see them get somebody temporarily for the studio and then go out live with someone else. Find your guy, believe in him and stick to it.
Yep this... or don't tour, that had already been discussed anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 08, 2010, 07:00:47 PM
well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?

NDV.  Too bad he already has two full plates.

Hell, Spock's Beard has 4 post Neal albums.  It may work...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 07:00:54 PM
"It's okay, the can just replace Portnoy with Joey Jordison. It'll sound the same."

My friend has been waiting for the perfect opportunity to troll me so hard that my eyes bleed in the process. Troll successful.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 08, 2010, 07:01:07 PM
I really don't care for Mike right now but if he turns out to be A7X's permanent drummer...wow. I can't even think.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 08, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
Hey, didn't LaBrie used to play drums?

He can pull a reverse Phil Collins.


I have a hard time seeing Gavin Harrison joining.

I can say quite confidently that won't be happening, makes absolutely no sense.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of who would be a fit, but I'm kinda drawing a blank. It totally depends on what direction they end up going though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
"It's okay, the can just replace Portnoy with Joey Jordison. It'll sound the same."

My friend has been waiting for the perfect opportunity to troll me so hard that my eyes bleed in the process. Troll successful.
I love Jordison, but that's absolutely hilarious.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 07:02:26 PM
well this sucks. I really wonder who they're going to get to replace him, who CAN replace him?

Thomas Lang
many others.

Thomas Lang is fucking amazing!!!

Virgil Donati could do it also.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Samsara on September 08, 2010, 07:02:35 PM
This post will probably be forgotten in an hour, given the amount of expected responses, but here we go.

First, good luck to MP. You have to follow your heart, and if this was the only way you thought you could preserve your friendships in the band, then you did the right thing.

Second, if the band wasn't willing to go on an extended hiatus, then I hope fans understand that time is money. Bands can NOT be off the road for a significant amount of time, even bands like DT. There are mortgages to pay, kids to eventually put through school, etc. So for MP to expect the guys to go on a long hiatus is really ridiculous. DT makes nothing on album sales. They make money on the road, and through merch. Plain and simple. A long time off the road means less and less income.

Third, that said, it is really, really weird to think of DT going on without Mike Portnoy, but it will, and it will be successful. MP is a great drummer. one of the best. But every single great drummer in heavy metal will want to sit on his drum stool for this gig, and since Mike didn't write any of the music of the songs (mostly a John/Jordan role), just lyrics, I really don't think DT is going to miss Mike in regard to the creation of the music.

Life will go on. Had DT lost Petrucci, the band would be fundamentally altered since he is the core music writer in the band (akin to when Queensryche lost DeGarmo). But the loss of MP can be overcome. It will just take people getting used to the idea.

Anyway, here's hoping A7X gave Mike their drum spot permanently, because it will be a well paying gig, which is something MP will need now that the income from DT touring will not be there.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
Hopefully this doesn't start a whole downfall of DT members leaving.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 07:03:17 PM
A lot of drummers may replace him technically, that's not such a hard thing to figure out. However, not a lot of drummers can replace a man who spent 25 hours in a day doing things for Dream Theater's well-being.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 08, 2010, 07:03:21 PM
Moar prog rock naow plllx
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chagny on September 08, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
How does something like this happen? It defies the laws of physics.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 08, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
Surprised JR hasn't weighed in on Twitter yet.

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: guysullavin on September 08, 2010, 07:04:36 PM
I hope Portnoy does one last tour with them. I'm gonna cry if I don't get to see DT without Mike performing in it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 07:04:48 PM
I'm calling it. They are going to fizzle, burn, and die.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wkiml on September 08, 2010, 07:05:41 PM
Does this mean J Myung can start writing lyrics again?    :hat
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:05:51 PM
There aren't many drummers who could live up to Portnoy's skills, and all the fans expectations.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dimitrius on September 08, 2010, 07:06:07 PM
WHAT?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 07:06:25 PM
There aren't many drummers who could live up to Portnoy's skills, and all the fans expectations.

This.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chagny on September 08, 2010, 07:07:42 PM
He at least has to do a live recording of the 12 Steps at a "farewell" concert with DT.
At least, I hope.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 07:07:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXK9oTOPGWc
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: efxf on September 08, 2010, 07:08:20 PM
Wow, I really don't know what to say at this point.  I'm definitely going to treasure my Score DVD more now and the memories of going to that concert.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 07:08:35 PM
Surprised JR hasn't weighed in on Twitter yet.

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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:09:03 PM
He at least has to do a live recording of the 12 Steps at a "farewell" concert with DT.
At least, I hope.

probably not a farewell concert, but a one-off a couple years down the road.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SirVoltage on September 08, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
There aren't many drummers who could live up to Portnoy's skills, and all the fans expectations.

This.

This.

Definately gonna be the biggest hurdle for a new guy.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the bands posts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:09:48 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 07:10:07 PM
I think it's really sad that MP won't play his 12 Steps Suite live or do one last cover album
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 07:10:18 PM
I'd like to see particularly what JP has to say about this, considering he's one of MP's best friends.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 07:10:43 PM
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EPIC THREAD!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chagny on September 08, 2010, 07:10:59 PM
I feel really bad now knowing that the only time I saw them live was a 6-song set during the Iron Maiden tour.  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RandalGraves on September 08, 2010, 07:11:11 PM
I'm really at a loss for words here, as are others at the moment.  It's ironic, I suppose, that I just attended the Avenged Sevenfold concert in support of Mike Portnoy.  The concert itself was bittersweet, as I'm not a huge fan of the band but the crowd was insane compared to a Dream Theater show.  I always though Mike deserved that.  Maybe he'll get it now.

On the flip side, I'm super pissed, and now I'm going to have a few drinks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 08, 2010, 07:11:24 PM
Well, it seems like the band wanted to continue faster than MP wanted too.

Oh well.

I'm really pissed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dimitrius on September 08, 2010, 07:11:29 PM
I cannot even fathom the band without MP!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SFAM 88 on September 08, 2010, 07:11:48 PM
in other news:


NIGHTMARE CINEMA HAS TO FIND A NEW BASSIST
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 08, 2010, 07:12:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
I wonder if they are gonna do one last show with him, they could play every album one after the other.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chknptpie on September 08, 2010, 07:12:40 PM
I feel really bad now knowing that the only time I saw them live was a 6-song set during the Iron Maiden tour.  :-\

Me too :( And he promised Arizona would get a headlining tour since it wasn't on the BCSL tour, but now we wont get one with MP
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:12:45 PM
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EPIC THREAD!!

with a shitty topic.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 07:13:07 PM
I am proud to say that I saw the LAST show with Mike Portnoy in North America... Wow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:14:07 PM
I could have saw them in Saskatoon with Iron Maiden, but I wanted to hold off and get an Evening With show.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: veronica on September 08, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
I knew there was a reason I got out of bed again at 3 am. Everything I feel has already been said (mainly by PLM, and Antigoon). I feel I've read through all the stages of grief in this topic, heh.

Good luck to Mike and the band, it'll be interesting to see what happens next..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Summers on September 08, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
That's a fucking shock.  Well, I'm glad I managed to see them live before he went.  Will feel very very strange if DT continues without him, and from the sounds of his statement that is what they are doing.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: juice on September 08, 2010, 07:15:18 PM
I think it's really sad that MP won't play his 12 Steps Suite live or do one last cover album
This.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zeltar on September 08, 2010, 07:15:27 PM
You know, my first thought was that he'll never get to perform the 12 Step Saga live. It's a real shame.  :sadpanda:

And I don't get why some people have a problem with Mike possibly joining A7X full time. If that's where he feels his heart is, by all means he should do it. And I think it was Bacong who said it could be a good thing for DT as well, I agree. Doesn't change how shocking and paralyzing this stings. It's like picturing Maiden without Steve Harris, he's the driving force/representative of the band, one of the founders. It'll take a while to adjust.
Title: PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
Post by: sonatafanica on September 08, 2010, 07:15:31 PM
PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE

EXPERTS BAFFLED



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 07:15:48 PM
I only have two things to say:

1. I was mad until I read the official statement. As much as this hurts and as much as this shit sucks, he provides a very clear and good reason for leaving. He's honest and real, just like he's always been. We should respect him for not "leaving for personal reasons" or providing the fanbase with some unclear and vague bullshit like that. At least he spells out his reason for leaving, and does it with class. Which is a hell of a lot more than other members of other bands have done in the past. He needs our support right now, and so do the rest of the guys in DT. The best thing to do here is try to put our emotions aside for a while and show that we're there for both MP and the rest of the band.

That being said,

2. Someone on Blabbermouth said they wouldn't be surprised if, in a year or two, we log on to see the headline "Mike Portnoy rejoins Dream Theater." Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but...that wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: juice on September 08, 2010, 07:16:16 PM
I am proud to say that I saw the LAST show with Mike Portnoy in North America... Wow.

I was there too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 08, 2010, 07:16:33 PM
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EPIC THREAD!!

with a shitty topic.

*Slowly nods head in agreeance*
Title: Re: PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE

EXPERTS BAFFLED





I can't even laugh at that
Title: Re: PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE

EXPERTS BAFFLED





I can't even laugh at that
A quick smirk from me, then back to the light crying.
Title: Re: PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 08, 2010, 07:17:58 PM
PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE

EXPERTS BAFFLED





I can't even laugh at that

I cannot even fathom this has happened.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:18:22 PM
I just thought of the Aerosmith spotlight grab when they pretended to be quitting, only to return to more fanfare. If Dream Theater is doing this, which I firmly believe they are not, I will lose a lot of respect for them.
Title: Re: PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE
Post by: toro on September 08, 2010, 07:18:27 PM
PORTNOY PULLS A KEVIN MOORE

EXPERTS BAFFLED





I can't even laugh at that
I LOL'D but then I  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
It doesn't make sense, this tragic ending...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 07:18:54 PM
It's kind of sad to think the last show they did as the 5 DT combo we all came to love was a 5 song set in Japan...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 08, 2010, 07:19:19 PM
Oh no...

If I could cry, I'd be drowning in my own tears right now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
I'm having some comfort food right now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
It doesn't make any sense, this tragic ending...

FTFY
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 08, 2010, 07:20:25 PM
Guys it's obvious he left to focus on the new OSI album fully.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: genome on September 08, 2010, 07:20:56 PM
Mirko Minnemann please, or Gavin Harrison. Shit news though.

I really don't know what DT will sound like without him, I've got a bad feeling about it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 07:21:22 PM
If I smoked, I would be chainsmoking the shit out of 5 packets walking down bondai beach (to steal Sigz idea). Good thing I don't smoke I guess =/
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Summers on September 08, 2010, 07:23:11 PM
To be honest I'd much rather that the guys call it a day rather than carry on without MP.  It may be a good thing for the band's creativity in the future possibly but just the idea of DT minus MP doesn't really sit right.  He is integral to the band IMO.   
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 08, 2010, 07:23:53 PM
I can't deal with this at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LudwigVan on September 08, 2010, 07:24:21 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: M-boogie on September 08, 2010, 07:25:25 PM
This is a very sad day...but hopefully he will be back eventually.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Talon on September 08, 2010, 07:25:38 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 08, 2010, 07:25:46 PM
I feel pissed at the band, because if Mike was telling the truth in his letter, then the band pretty much said "we want to proceed, with or without you, and we want to do it now."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:25:52 PM
If Dream Theater goes under, DTF must become a tribute site, so we never have to quit this place  :heart
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: pogoowner on September 08, 2010, 07:26:05 PM
I love Mike and all he's done for the band, but I honestly think the band might be better without him, as I haven't liked their recent output very much.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pirate on September 08, 2010, 07:26:44 PM
If Dream Theater goes under, DTF must become a tribute site, so we never have to quit this place  :heart
Don't talk like that.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 07:26:54 PM
JESUS ON ICE!

The setlists!

The Ytse Jam bootlegs!

The arrangements!

That said... I'm kind of excited. Overjoyed that they're continuing. But fuck!

I... can't say anything coherent! Words fail me. Just... sentence fragments! And exclamation marks! Lots of them!!

...He was always the most dedicated one!

...Who's gonna replace him!?

...Is it just John Petrucci's thing now? JP and JR would be good band leaders!

...

Jesus.



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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 08, 2010, 07:26:58 PM
I leave the board for 2 hours and this is what I come back to.  I'm heartbroken.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 07:27:15 PM
I feel pissed at the band, because if Mike was telling the truth in his letter, then the band pretty much said "we want to proceed, with or without you, and we want to do it now."

So because the band doesn't want to stop what they love because one member wants to go play with 3 other bands they are jerks?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 07:27:22 PM
or Gavin Harrison.

HELL no. His style is not suited to Dream Theater, and we don't want Porcupine Tree to get screwed over.

I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dimitrius on September 08, 2010, 07:27:23 PM
If Dream Theater goes under, DTF must become a tribute site, so we never have to quit this place  :heart
Don't talk like that.  :sadpanda:
DTF will never die, I mean I bet this is the most traffic the DT-side has gotten since the release of BC&SL.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 08, 2010, 07:27:38 PM
The liquor store is closed...damn, I really could use a stiff drink or ten.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 07:27:40 PM
To be honest I'd much rather that the guys call it a day rather than carry on without MP.  It may be a good thing for the band's creativity in the future possibly but just the idea of DT minus MP doesn't really sit right.  He is integral to the band IMO.   

This isn't Petrucci leaving.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 07:27:59 PM
I actually started crying a little

The healing process can begin :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 08, 2010, 07:28:43 PM
JMX better write lyrics for the new album.









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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
For those likening this to Kevin Moore's departure, get a hold of yourselves. This is nothing like that. Kevin Moore left for entirely different reasons at a crucial point for the band (right before a big tour).

Mike Portnoy /=/ Kevin Moore.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:30:09 PM
JMX better write everything for the next album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 07:30:37 PM
The liquor store is closed...damn, I really could use a stiff drink or ten.

If I wasn't on call I think I'd have a few for the occasion.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pirate on September 08, 2010, 07:30:51 PM
or Gavin Harrison.

HELL no. His style is not suited to Dream Theater, and we don't want Porcupine Tree to get screwed over.

I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.
Um, GH's style is EVERYTHING. Even if he did somehow change the band, I can only see them getting groovier. Which I want.

Great loss, great loss...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: yeshaberto on September 08, 2010, 07:31:25 PM
I can still barely think straight...

there is no doubt that DT will continue on (yay!)
there is no doubt they will find an amazing drummer (yay!)
there is no doubt they will continue putting good music together (yay!)

but no MP ( :sadpanda:)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 08, 2010, 07:31:28 PM
This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
(https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 07:31:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ&feature=related
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chagny on September 08, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
My brain would break if he formed a project with Dominici, Moore, and Collins.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: CountVoorhees on September 08, 2010, 07:32:40 PM
I come back to THIS!?! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:33:22 PM
My brain would break if he formed a project with Dominici, Moore, and Collins.

A barbershop singing group?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: FlashCE on September 08, 2010, 07:33:46 PM
Honestly this sucks because MP took care of the DVDs, Ytsejam Bootlegs, etc., but I am very excited about the upcoming DT album now. Not a big fan of MP's recent output.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg (https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)

Yeah, I remember checking it and feeling the same way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ogrejedi on September 08, 2010, 07:34:23 PM

I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.

He didn't die; he left the band. It's perfectly fine to talk about his replacement.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chagny on September 08, 2010, 07:35:00 PM
This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg (https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)

Yeah, I remember checking it and feeling the same way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:35:59 PM
This is the part that makes me go "Whoa"
https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg (https://imgur.com/1D1VU.jpg)

Yeah, I remember checking it and feeling the same way.

That just makes me feel even crappier  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 08, 2010, 07:36:47 PM
This news totally ruined my day. My stomach honestly turned over when I read the title. It's so out of the blue and unexpected. I guess it is safe to that we will never see the twelve step suite in full.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 07:38:11 PM
I'm sooooo sad! Is there any chance this can be a prank?
I mean, we are hundreds of members, one of us gotta find out!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 08, 2010, 07:38:15 PM
This is unreal. I love you all.

DT will carry on and I'm excited for the results. Here's to the next chapter.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
This news totally ruined my day. My stomach honestly turned over when I read the title. It's so out of the blue and unexpected. I guess it is safe to that we will never see the twelve step suite in full.
I wouldn't say that quite yet.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LudwigVan on September 08, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
I'm wallowing now....  listening to Pink Floyd's The Final Cut.    :'( :'( :'(

 

But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form.  Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2010, 07:40:55 PM
I can't even come to terms with how much this sucks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: abydos on September 08, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.

Despite all that, though, I'm a bit excited for the direction DT is going to go now. Many people, me included, have blamed MP for bringing the band in the wrong direction for the last 3 albums (or even more for some) and this album that they will make without him will really be a deciding factor in all the arguments we've had about the music they make.

Still, this feels so surreal, I can't really comprehend it yet. It's probably a joke of some kind, right? Time will tell. I wish MP and DT all the best and hopefully they will continue to make their fans happy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 07:42:28 PM
I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
It's their job. They have families to support. And they're not exactly mainstream.

A year off is a year of eating cold beans out of the tin.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 07:42:39 PM
But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form.  Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable. 
Welcome to the many steps of grieving. Right now you are currently in denial.





And so am I  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ehra on September 08, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
I'm torn on this. I practically grew up listening to this band, I've been a fan for almost as many years as I've been alive. Seeing MP leave, even if it isn't technically the end of the band, is pretty crazy. But they're all doing what they want to do; MP needs a break and I can respect that, the other guys don't want to stop and I can respect that too. It's hard to be too upset over it, as far as MP's post says there's no bad blood between them or anything. It's a few musicians and adults mutually agreeing to split ways. I'm still excited to see what studio outpout we end up seeing from them.

To be honest, the main thing I'm concerned about is how the fans will accept whoever replaces Portnoy. We just had a thread about A7X fans throwing fits at MP for replacing that band's drummer, it would be a tragedy (and, admittedly, deliciously ironic) if the same happend with DT.

So good luck to all of them. All any of the members of the band have done is give me great music I'll enjoy for, hopefully, the rest of my life. If this is what they want then, for what it's worth (practically nothing), they've got my best wishes.



Now for the plus side; maybe this means Kevin Moore will rejoin the band since it was obviously MP that drove him away, the scumbag.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 07:43:25 PM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 07:43:31 PM
I began crying. I'm weeping like a baby now. This is very hard to swallow  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 08, 2010, 07:43:37 PM

I personally think it's a bit too early to already be talking about his replacement, even though the speculation is perfectly natural.

He didn't die; he left the band. It's perfectly fine to talk about his replacement.

As sad as I am, I also think its fine to talk about his replacement.

I just want word from the rest of the band, cause the next fucking thing is "Headline: Dream Theater DISBANDS!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 08, 2010, 07:44:02 PM
But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form.  Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable. 
Welcome to the many steps of grieving. Right now you are currently in denial.





And so am I  :sadpanda:
I'm in the one where the giraffe is swearing like a motherfucking sailor.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:44:48 PM
But I predict MP to be back with Dream Theater is some shape, fashion or form.  Whether it's 2 years from now....or 6, I just feel like it's inevitable. 
Welcome to the many steps of grieving. Right now you are currently in denial.





And so am I  :sadpanda:
I'm in the one where the giraffe is swearing like a motherfucking sailor.
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Starkweather on September 08, 2010, 07:45:34 PM
Not to troll at all, but I am pretty interested in where this will go. I think this may be a good thing for DT. I didn't like BCSL that much.

Oh and I love how shitstorm it is in here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 08, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
The thought of seeing DT live without MP just doesn't work. I'm sorry but I now have no desire to see them again, it would just be far too weird.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 08, 2010, 07:45:52 PM
I'm tearing up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 08, 2010, 07:46:20 PM
 :chill

I am quite interested in seeing the band's responses.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 07:47:29 PM
I can't stop listening to the Score version of TSCO. This is way too sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Not to troll at all, but I am pretty interested in where this will go. I think this may be a good thing for DT. I didn't like BCSL that much.

Oh and I love how shitstorm it is in here.
DTF's biggest shitstorm to date.



 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ReaPsTA on September 08, 2010, 07:49:13 PM
Well, okay, let's just do this:

 - At least at the moment, while I'm not sure I 100% agree with it, I respect why MP left. While Samsara is right about the need to keep touring, I would have enjoyed them waiting longer to produce an album as well. This is kind of ironic actually, I think everyone just assumed that MP was the one who really liked the album-tour cycle and kept it going, and now he's leaving because it needed to be satiated. Also, there is a zero percent chance MP left Dream Theater unless he really did think about it. His letter to the fans was classy, honest, and emotionally genuine. It sounds kinda weird, but if LeBron had broken the news he was leaving Cleveland like MP broke the news he was leaving DT, people would feel a lot better about him.

And for what it's worth, if I thought MP was screwing the fans or Dream Theater I'd just say it. I don't like this on a number of levels, and there's a lot of internal politics going on here that we inevitably don't know about, but I really just don't have it in me to feel any anger toward MP. Like I just said, zero percent chance he would leave Dream Theater for a frivolous reason. He feels incomprehensibly sadder than we do about this, guaranteed.

 - I personally wouldn't like it if MP joined Avenged Sevenfold, but it's none of our business what full-time project he joins next or if he decides to be a drumming nomad. Why anyone would be pissed off about him joining AX7 is beyond me. Although I think they write some good music so I'm biased that way.

 - During DT's last tour they opened for Maiden and played at Madison Square Garden. From a live standpoint, I don't think there were many more barriers for MP to cross.

 - I may or may not have commented on this in some other thread speculatively, but I guess now that MP's actually left the band I actually had to ask myself "what should DT do now?" And I almost instantly had a definitive answer: Bring in a new full-time drummer and continue.

Something that's hugely important but no one's really acknowledging is that JP has risen up to be the leader of DT now. Musically speaking, I hate to say I'm excited to hear DT without MP, but JP has the swagger, craftsmanship, and creativity to bring the band back together and write potentially great music. Maybe we'll even end up preferring how JP arranges DT songs on his own. Not something that I feel happy about typing but in a year who knows.

What really worries me is how much of DT was run on MP's force of personality. Official bootlegs, rotating setlists, personal updates from him about the band, the fact he did most of the interviews... What happens to all that? Obviously the band is motivated to continue making albums and touring, but I have this weird feeling it might have less of a personal feeling to it.

Which I guess is really the sad part. I've bitched and moaned about many things MP has said and done here (although hopefully complimented on just as much or more). And then for a lot of reasons I decided that complaining about things on internet forums is lame (except for Football), and that between the official bootlegs and the drum DVD's and the rotating sets he really does more for his fans than any member of any band. Losing all that in my mind sucks, but it's emotionally measurable. I'll live.

But the fact DT had an active personality at work in the first place is something unique that we took for granted. Whether you like or not how Portnoy become synonymous with DT, it meant there was something to the band beyond interviews and liner notes. Love or hate MP's vocals on ANTR, he responded to the criticism, and essentially it was getting a personal response from the band. The rotating setlists weren't just Mike Portnoy doing something cool for the fans, it by extension became part of the personality of the band as a whole.

And I don't know how DT's gonna do that now. MP leaving the band is like losing a family member because DT might be about to become something very cold and distant.

Stop and really think about it. Every other member of DT is a pretty quiet and reserved guy. Will it ever really be the same?

I was hoping that I could be more positive. Sorry.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Summers on September 08, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
I wonder if the band will play songs from the 12 step suite live now, seeing as they are so personal to MP.  Or songs like ACoS and TBoT (which I think they haven't played live yet anyways).  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
This will be JMX's response.

............*picks up bass*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 08, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
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Most Online Today: 628. Most Online Ever: 628 (Today at 08:43:00 PM)

There weren't even HALF that many when the last album was released...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Talon on September 08, 2010, 07:51:01 PM
Well, okay, let's just do this:

 - At least at the moment, while I'm not sure I 100% agree with it, I respect why MP left. While Samsara is right about the need to keep touring, I would have enjoyed them waiting longer to produce an album as well. This is kind of ironic actually, I think everyone just assumed that MP was the one who really liked the album-tour cycle and kept it going, and now he's leaving because it needed to be satiated. Also, there is a zero percent chance MP left Dream Theater unless he really did think about it. His letter to the fans was classy, honest, and emotionally genuine. It sounds kinda weird, but if LeBron had broken the news he was leaving Cleveland like MP broke the news he was leaving DT, people would feel a lot better about him.

And for what it's worth, if I thought MP was screwing the fans or Dream Theater I'd just say it. I don't like this on a number of levels, and there's a lot of internal politics going on here that we inevitably don't know about, but I really just don't have it in me to feel any anger toward MP. Like I just said, zero percent chance he would leave Dream Theater for a frivolous reason. He feels incomprehensibly sadder than we do about this, guaranteed.

 - I personally wouldn't like it if MP joined Avenged Sevenfold, but it's none of our business what full-time project he joins next or if he decides to be a drumming nomad. Why anyone would be pissed off about him joining AX7 is beyond me. Although I think they write some good music so I'm biased that way.

 - During DT's last tour they opened for Maiden and played at Madison Square Garden. From a live standpoint, I don't think there were many more barriers for MP to cross.

 - I may or may not have commented on this in some other thread speculatively, but I guess not that MP's actually left the band I actually had to ask myself "what should DT do now?" And I almost instantly had a definitive answer: Bring in a new full-time drummer and continue.

Something that's hugely important but no one's really acknowledging is that JP has risen up to be the leader of DT now. Musically speaking, I hate to say I'm excited to hear DT without MP, but JP has the swagger, craftsmanship, and creativity to bring the band back together and write potentially great music. Maybe we'll even end up preferring how JP arranges DT songs on his own. Not something that I feel happy about typing but in a year who knows.

What really worries me is how much of DT was run on MP's force of personality. Official bootlegs, rotating setlists, personal updates from him about the band, the fact he did most of the interviews... What happens to all that? Obviously the band is motivated to continue making albums and touring, but I have this weird feeling it might have less of a personal feeling to it.

Which I guess is really the sad part. I've bitched and moaned about many things MP has said and done here (although hopefully complimented on just as much or more). And then for a lot of reasons I decided that complaining about things on internet forums is lame (except for Football), and that between the official bootlegs and the drum DVD's and the rotating sets he really does more for his fans than any member of any band. Losing all that in my mind sucks, but it's emotionally measurable. I'll live.

But the fact DT had an active personality at work in the first place is something unique that we took for granted. Whether you like or not how Portnoy become synonymous with DT, it meant there was something to the band beyond interviews and liner notes. Love or hate MP's vocals on ANTR, he responded to the criticism, and essentially it was getting a personal response from the band. The rotating setlists weren't just Mike Portnoy doing something cool for the fans, it by extension became part of the personality of the band as a whole.

And I don't know how DT's gonna do that now. MP leaving the band is like losing a family member because DT might be about to become something very cold and distant.

I was hoping that would be more positive. Sorry.

interesting
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 07:51:12 PM
This will be JMX's response.

............*picks up bass*

I half-heartedly chuckled.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Space Invader on September 08, 2010, 07:51:43 PM
There are no words.

I just want to hear the band's official statement. Until then, I fear for the future.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 07:52:13 PM
What I had to re-read is that he has been struggling with this for the past year, so obviously, he's been thinking about it longer than anyone else
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
WHAT

WHAT


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 08, 2010, 07:53:58 PM
out of the blue
:neerusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: abydos on September 08, 2010, 07:54:00 PM
I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
It's their job. They have families to support. And they're not exactly mainstream.

A year off is a year of eating cold beans out of the tin.
So after 20 years they haven't saved money to spend 1 year without DT income? I find it hard to believe. Not to mention that they all can start their own solo projects or work with other bands/musicians in that time and still get decent income since 90% of their fanbase will buy almost everything they are a part of.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 07:54:31 PM
I legitimately just shed a tear while listening to DT...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 08, 2010, 07:54:52 PM
ReaPsTA, I think we are all in shock right now so that's why people are so negative.  Let it soak in and maybe when we hear of a replacement it will give us something positive to chew on.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
How are they going to do songs like "A Nightmare to Remember" now? Who's gonna do the RORO?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 07:56:14 PM
How are they going to do songs like "A Nightmare to Remember" now? Who's gonna do the RORO?
John Myung  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 08, 2010, 07:56:36 PM
did we get any 'mike if you're reading this' n00bs show up yet?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 07:58:18 PM
How are they going to do songs like "A Nightmare to Remember" now? Who's gonna do the RORO?
John Myung will. Trust me. Have you heard the man yodel?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 08, 2010, 07:58:25 PM
Mike, if you're reading this.  I want you to know you made me cry, and now I can't masturbate.  You cockblocked me.  from myself.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 07:58:30 PM
did we get any 'mike if you're reading this' n00bs show up yet?

No :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 08, 2010, 07:58:34 PM
This will be JMX's response.

............*picks up pencil*

I fixed that for you. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 07:59:05 PM
My heart is fucking broken.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 08:00:01 PM
in other news:


NIGHTMARE CINEMA HAS TO FIND A NEW BASSIST
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:00:58 PM
Oh god  :lol :rollin :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 08:01:53 PM
Twelve Step-Suite: The new Space-Dye Vest.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 08:02:07 PM
My heart is fucking broken.
Twelve Step-Suite: The new Space-Dye Vest.
Both of these.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress)  just go through this for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.

P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 08:03:36 PM
I'm disappointed. Not at MP's departure but if what he says is true (and there's no reason not to be) I am shocked that it's the other guys who didn't want to take a year or two off. You know my opinion on recent DT, I've been advocating for them to take a break since Train of Thought (which is an album I really really like) and I thought MP was going to be the last to want to take some time off. It's bad the other guys wouldn't give him the time he needs to recharge. Maybe there is a lot more to this than we'll ever know. I also feel a bit sad too, say what you want about MP (and I've said a lot), he was a dedicated guy and I don't think DT would have made it without him and his commitment.
It's their job. They have families to support. And they're not exactly mainstream.

A year off is a year of eating cold beans out of the tin.
So after 20 years they haven't saved money to spend 1 year without DT income? I find it hard to believe. Not to mention that they all can start their own solo projects or work with other bands/musicians in that time and still get decent income since 90% of their fanbase will buy almost everything they are a part of.
They don't want to spend 1 year without DT income.

"You know that recession that's been going on, and how the economy's not at its best at the moment?"
"Yeah?"
"Let's not earn money for a year."
"Brilliant."

Their solo projects definitely don't get 90% of the sales that their actual albums do. Barely a fraction of that. Black Clouds and Silver Linings got to number six in the chart. If 90% of their fanbase bought their solo albums, then every single thing they released would chart. It's just the ming-mong devotees who lap everything up. Myself included.

Meanwhile, even if they DO have savings - which they will - they're not going to want to... A. be running on empty by the time they reconvene, nor B. spend a whole year pennypinching. They're going to have to take drastic cuts in their lifestyle. Sure, they have savings. They also have expenditures.

The band have done no-one a disservice. They have a job that they're fond of. They need to keep the engine going. This isn't an arbitrary decision, they don't kick out a founding member just 'cause they fancy making a new album a little bit. They don't fire one of their oldest friends 'cause they can't be bothered to go without sushi for a year. It's a big decision. It's not something they've done frivolously.

'Specially after the flop that was the BCSL tour. Very few sell-outs, and I think they made a loss in the US? The wheels keep turning 'cause they have to. Not 'cause they're being greedy, or doing anything shocking. It's not "bad that they wouldn't give him time." There definitely is more to it than we'll ever know. This isn't a silly decision that someone makes 'cause they feel like making a couple of extra bob.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 08, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
That would be really funny if that was the case, but denial is the first step.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 08:04:25 PM
I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress)  just break up for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.

P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?

You clearly didn't read the announcement. No where does it say they broke up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Summers on September 08, 2010, 08:05:44 PM
I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress)  just break up for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.

P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?

*pats arm*

Sit down, sit down....  do you want a cup of coffee?  I know, I know... 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 08, 2010, 08:06:16 PM
step 13: withdrawal.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 08:06:46 PM
I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress)  just break up for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.

P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?

You clearly didn't read the announcement. No where does it say they broke up.
Sorry, i changed now. It was subconscious, i just wrote it all at once.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 08:07:46 PM
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT (https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT)

It's canon, man. It's fucking canon. This shit cannot be happening...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Space Invader on September 08, 2010, 08:08:01 PM
Very well said Rob.

We may never know the circumstances, we just need to trust it was done with good intentions all around. We may all be heartbroken, but Rob is right in saying that this isn't arbitrary. I'm sure there are reasons the band wanted to continue, some financial, some not, and other reasons for Portnoy's departure that may never be clear.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 08:09:07 PM
in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 08:09:36 PM
I insist that it must be a hacker or a prank. I know it sound like I just didn't get over it (and i didn't. I'm pretty sad) but there is nothing on the official DT site and the messages on Twitter, Facebook and other networks is exactly the same, meaning that if MP uses the same password for all the networks (which is very likely) a hacker could easily just do that once and copy and paste. Also, even if that is the case...the reason sounds unreal, how can a band that has overcome so many other challenges ( James' vocal chords incident, Kevin's departure, after the FII stress)  just go through this for a reason like this? They have the BEST chemistry any band potentially has ever had, so yeah, I'm still hoping for the good news of a prank or hacker. If there is any computer scientists/internet genius in DTF, speak up please, enlighten us.

P.S - I see in the new sticky thread that is sounds like its not a prank. Still, can anybody that has more accurate sources than Twitter tell us details?

(https://files.droplr.com.s3.amazonaws.com/files/33855788/1GYB86.1262240846584.gif)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:10:19 PM
in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive

I think he might have meant in the consequence that DT is no more.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:10:48 PM
in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
And it's not like DTF only caters to DT fans. There is so much more to this forum than discussing Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 08:10:55 PM
in response to bosk's forum post. why would dtf shut down? for all we know from MP's post DT is still alive
Even if DT disbanded why does that mean DTF will shut down?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 08:11:05 PM
Twelve Step-Suite: The new Space-Dye Vest.

I believe that would actually be The Best of Times. They've played all of the suite except for The Shattered Fortress, which I would think they'll be far more likely to play than The Best of Times.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: soundgarden on September 08, 2010, 08:11:48 PM
I'm whit sigz i would like to hear DT whitout MP, but DAMN A7X really A7X?

+1
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:11:58 PM
FUCK! DAMMIT LETTERS! NOW THAT'S JUST ONE MORE REASON TO MAKE ME SAD KNOWING THAT I WON'T HEAR MY FAVOURITE SONG FROM BCSL PLAYED LIVE.


FUCK!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 08, 2010, 08:12:05 PM
I just took my anger out on my dog.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 08:12:32 PM
IT WASNT ME BRAH
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:12:47 PM
I just took my anger out on my dog.

poor dog.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Talon on September 08, 2010, 08:13:48 PM
I just took my anger out on my dog.
Reported.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:14:20 PM
I just took my anger out on my dog.
Too bad it wasn't one of your little na'vi dolls.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 08, 2010, 08:14:36 PM
Black Clouds and Silver Linings is no longer just "the most recent Dream Theater album". It is now "The last album to feature Mike Portnoy."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:15:17 PM
Black Clouds and Silver Linings is no longer just "the most recent Dream Theater album". It is now "The last album to feature Mike Portnoy."

thank-you captain obvious.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 08, 2010, 08:17:12 PM
Just stating a fact that'll hit home.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: guysullavin on September 08, 2010, 08:17:19 PM
Too bad it sucked comparatively.

I get Best of Times now though. Didn't even see it coming.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:18:11 PM
I get Best of Times now though. Didn't even see it coming.
Please don't tell me you are making a parallel between the songs lyrical content and MP leaving the band. TBoT is about his father's death.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Space Invader on September 08, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
Just stating a fact that'll hit home.

True that.

If the band keeps going (which I hope they do, even without MP), I'll never look at BC&SL the same again.
 :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
I get Best of Times now though. Didn't even see it coming.
Please don't tell me you are making a parallel between the songs lyrical content and MP leaving the band. TBoT is about his father's death.

I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 08, 2010, 08:20:43 PM
it's also one of the worst songs conceived.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 08:21:26 PM
Just stating a fact that'll hit home.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:22:01 PM
it's also one of the worst songs conceived.
Seriously, dude?




Seriously?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 08:22:18 PM
Regardless, this whole thing sucks terribly. It's like I just lost my best friend.

Sure, Dream Theater can continue without Portnoy, but honestly, Dream Theater WAS Portnoy. He did everything for the band. Set up tours, wrote songs, produced albums. Like, with Portnoy gone, DT is just a shadow of their former self.

I just cannot comprehend this is happening. They were by favourite band in the world. I was fortunate enough to meet them during their Systematic Chaos tour, and to see every show of theirs consecutively since 2002. Sure, I am not as old as some of the fans on these boards, but Dream Theater to me, was my breakthrough to who I am now. And Dream Theater, in essence, is with Mike Portnoy.

I wish him the best for his ventures, despite my heart being shattered. But I mean, they were like best friends to me. Even though they didn't know it.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v147/OptionalPlayer/Derek2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 08, 2010, 08:23:24 PM
I feel bad about this. I feel really bad about this. Just let me feel bad about this!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 08, 2010, 08:25:00 PM
But I mean, they were like best friends to me. Even though they didn't know it.



Cue lyrics to Limelight
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:25:23 PM
Just let me breathe.
Fix'd
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: toro on September 08, 2010, 08:25:33 PM
I cried a little while listening to ACOS :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 08, 2010, 08:25:40 PM
That picture made me tear up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 08:26:11 PM
I wonder if Mike will be able to sleep tonight. I certainly won't.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
I wonder if Mike will be able to sleep tonight. I certainly won't.
He's probably been sleeping on it for a while...


That picture made me tear up.

^^ That.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:26:54 PM
MOVE ON BE BRAVE, DON'T WEEP AT MY GRAVE
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 08, 2010, 08:27:04 PM
I wonder if Mike will be able to sleep tonight. I certainly won't.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 08:27:51 PM
MOVE ON BE BRAVE, DON'T WEEP AT MY GRAVE
:'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 08:29:29 PM
I feel bad about this. I feel really bad about this. Just let me feel bad about this!
I chuckl'd.


Also you know what breaks my heart even more? Never seeing them live with MP. Ever. Also he was the leader, the one who got the balls (no pun intended) to get on with the fans and the closest one to us, he was the motherfucker that always was cheering up everyone and jumping around in Jordan's Videos on Youtube, he was the one that made us laugh and the most active member in live shows.


I JUST CANNOT FUCKING ADMIT IT MAN IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE WHOLE BAND ENDED OR SOMEONE OF THE BAND HAD DIED, WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?? ?? ??
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 08, 2010, 08:29:51 PM
NP: ACOS
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 08, 2010, 08:30:28 PM
The beginning of TBoT  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(


In sad voice:  two minutes to psycho.  two minute to psycho.  two...two..twooooo :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 08, 2010, 08:31:54 PM
I share with everyone's sadness that we may never see the 12 step suite or TBOT live.  I really hope we do get to see them though.  TBOT is my favorite song off BC&SL...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ddtonfire on September 08, 2010, 08:32:27 PM
In other news, Portnoy is now a Trending Topic on twitter.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 08, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
Mike Portnoy doesn't have to explain himself to me.

Thank you for the YEARS of AMAZING music that I've had the privilege of growing up in....

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
Don't click this if you don't consider yourself masochist. I do. That's why I'm seeing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOixASyWI4)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: predator13 on September 08, 2010, 08:33:38 PM
So I hurt your feelings,
Well I'm really sorry
But I don't give a SHIT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wkiml on September 08, 2010, 08:33:41 PM
As many others have said  its not the end of the world, One thing I learned through my recovery process is "as one door closes, another opens" this is true in all aspects of life. The band has yet to make an official statement about their future, and Mike has already stated that they plan to continue without him, so I tip my hats to the other members to continue with their dream of what DT means to them. Mike had his run and has decided he was satisfied enough in what he accomplished with the band that it was time to step aside and pursue other avenues of expressing his musical goals/dreams.

To Mike I wish you nothing but the success in your future and I thank you for making Dream Theater what it was. To the other band members I wish you continuing success in keeping the Dream theater dream alive.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:34:33 PM
Don't click this if you don't consider yourself masochist. I do. That's why I'm seeing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOixASyWI4)
I had a stupid little grin on my face the entire way through.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 08:36:09 PM
Don't click this if you don't consider yourself masochist. I do. That's why I'm seeing it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOixASyWI4)
Oh man...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 08:39:08 PM
it's also one of the worst songs conceived.

Come on Zero, that's completely uncalled for right now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:40:08 PM
hahah :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 08, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
Kansas went on without Kerry Livgren, Pink Floyd went on without Roger Waters, Spock's Beard went on without Neal Morse etc etc.... but they were never as good again.

This sucks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 08:41:37 PM
I'm totally watching Score now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:42:00 PM
Kansas went on without Kerry Livgren, Pink Floyd went on without Roger Waters, Spock's Beard went on without Neal Morse etc etc.... but they were never as good again.

This sucks.
Dream Theater went on without Kevin Moore.




Oh wait, wrong analogy. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: splent on September 08, 2010, 08:42:12 PM
DT will live on.  Its' not going to be the same, but it will be DT. 


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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.

While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2011, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."

All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.


I got this from JLB's site.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Tick on September 08, 2010, 08:43:07 PM
This completely blows. I am so sad at this moment I can't find words to express how bummed I am.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 08, 2010, 08:43:37 PM
yay.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 08:44:28 PM
step 13: withdrawal.
Thank you. You made me smile  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:44:55 PM
DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.

While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2010, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."

All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.


I got this from JLB's site.
>January 2010

They are going to go back in time so that MP can still record the drum tracks?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 08, 2010, 08:45:18 PM
well, that settles it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 08:46:21 PM
I'd disagree on two of those three.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
Fixed it
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Volk9 on September 08, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
While it is shocking that MP is leaving, I am definately with him for following his heart. He's enjoying playing with the other projects more than he was with DT, and I have to give him props for following that goal. Of course its going to be hard on the fans of DT, but you have to respect him for doing what he likes. He's worked 24/7 for us and we have so much to appreciate from MP, that it would be near impossible to thank him for all he's done.

With that said, I wonder what DT-MP will sound like :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gorille85 on September 08, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
While it is shocking that MP is leaving, I am definately with him for following his heart. He's enjoying playing with the other projects more than he was with DT, and I have to give him props for following that goal. Of course its going to be hard on the fans of DT, but you have to respect him for doing what he likes. He's worked 24/7 for us and we have so much to appreciate from MP, that it would be near impossible to thank him for all he's done.

With that said, I wonder what DT-MP will sound like :metal
Yeah pretty much this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 08, 2010, 08:49:20 PM
Disappointing. Regardless of what people say about new potential for the next album, etc. I don't think I'll feel the same about DT. It just doesn't feel right. Personally I get attached to bands and their members, I have a lot of respect for bands that keep their core members, and this is just surprising. I mean, I understand why on what Portnoy said, but as a whole, leaving DT just makes it feel like it's over.


In other words, this is the reason why JM was so mum. He's been talking to KevMo the whole time and got MP out so they could rehire him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 08:49:33 PM
DREAM THEATER
Press Release
To all of our loyal fans and friends: It is with
profound sadness -- regret -- we announce that Mike
Portnoy, our lifelong drummer and friend, has
decided to leave Dream Theater. Mike's stature in
the band has meant the world to all of us
professionally, musically, and personally over the
years. There is no dispute: Mike has been a major
force within this band.

While it is true that Mike is choosing to pursue other
ventures and challenges, we can assure you
that Dream Theater will continue to move forward
with the same intensity -- and in the same musical
tradition -- that you have all helped make so
successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.
Fans and friends: File this episode under "Black
Clouds and Silver Linings."As planned, we begin
recording our newest album in January 2010, and
we'll follow that with a full-on world tour. "The Spirit
Carries On."

All of us in Dream Theater wholeheartedly wish Mike
the best on his musical journey. We have had a long
and meaningful career together. It is our true hope
that he finds all he is looking for, and that he
achieves the happiness he deserves. He will be
missed.


I got this from JLB's site.
>January 2010

They are going to go back in time so that MP can still record the drum tracks?

LINK?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zeltar on September 08, 2010, 08:49:44 PM
On a side related note, the amount of people on the site is shattering DTF records, I'm surprised the place hasn't crashed yet  :lol

Jesus shit, I just got ninja'd 4 straight times.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
Disappointing. Regardless of what people say about new potential for the next album, etc. I don't think I'll feel the same about DT. It just doesn't feel right. Personally I get attached to bands and their members, I have a lot of respect for bands that keep their core members, and this is just surprising. I mean, I understand why on what Portnoy said, but as a whole, leaving DT just makes it feel like it's over.


In other words, this is the reason why JM was so mum. He's been talking to KevMo the whole time and got MP out so they could rehire him.
KevMo for new drummer!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 08, 2010, 08:50:36 PM
I'm very glad that they're continuing.  New DT without Mike is still new DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Tripp on September 08, 2010, 08:51:21 PM
It feels as though someone I know close has died, well, kind of.

Hopefully DT finds a drummer with amazing talent and creativity, a new member might be a good thing for DT. I just hope they don't split, as this could be the start of something great.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 08:51:36 PM
I can't find a link for it. I just went on JLB's site and there was a press release on the forum, posted by someone.  :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 08:51:49 PM
I'm very glad that they're continuing.  New DT without Mike is still new DT.
It's new new DT. Like, not just "Ooh. Here's a new album." It's as new as it gets. That's the most you can change DT without destroying it.

I can't find a link for it. I just went on JLB's site and there was a press release on the forum, posted by someone.  :(
Posted by the admin. Rob. (No relation.) In the salient thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 08, 2010, 08:53:28 PM
Quite correct.  I am optimistic.  But at the same time...this is one of the biggest musical shocks.  Last time I got this sad/shocked about a band was when my dream of a Floyd reunion was shattered with Rick Wright's death.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 08, 2010, 08:54:18 PM
The post on JLB's forum was by an administrator, so I trust it.

Also, does anyone think that they already have a new drummer picked out?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
Yeah. Mike was no doubt the leader of the band, but Myung and Petrucci have been there since the beginning. Labrie has been there since the 2nd album, and Rudess has been there for over 10 years now. Mike may have been the most well-known personality of the 5, but there are still 4 very well-established personalities left. It's a big loss, but not enough to say it will no longer be Dream Theater. I'm very happy they're continuing under the Dream Theater name. They deserve to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 08:54:31 PM
https://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=160722150&blogId=538974215
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Volk9 on September 08, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
Theres a lot of new people signing up
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 08:55:26 PM
Theres a lot of new people signing up
This always happens when something big occurs, I've noticed.

inb4 Pull Me Under, Panic Attack and other noob likeness.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 08:56:07 PM
The post on JLB's forum was by an administrator, so I trust it.

Also, does anyone think that they already have a new drummer picked out?
I kind of think they do have someone in mind. We will find out later probably
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 08:56:55 PM
mike will be back



im excited for what we get in between
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
I'm going to be a hypocrite here because despite what I said earlier (about it being too early to discuss his replacement) I will say that a Blabbermouth commenter mentioned Mark Zonder as a possibility. That would be cool.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 08:57:51 PM
Something I made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DItucPlAlm4
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 08, 2010, 08:59:55 PM
mike will be back



im excited for what we get in between

Yeah, I mean leaving the band you invested your whole life in just because they want to continue music and you wanted a break? I mean, I don't know how long a break he needs/needed but that's a pretty silly reason. I'm sure he's going to rejoin them eventually. (Sooner than we think)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
I just looked at my BCSL vynil signed by MP. That hurts. I won't be able to listen to DT in a long time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 08, 2010, 09:03:15 PM
Shit man. This sucks. I mean, I am worried about what DT will become. I am excited for the future, but a little scared.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ReaperKK on September 08, 2010, 09:03:20 PM
Sad news, felt like someone hit me in the stomach but here are my thoughts that I'm tossing in this whirlpool of craziness:

I think this is gonna be a good move for DT and MP. I'm not surprised that MP left the band, I felt he always wanted something more, more fame, maybe a different direction with DT, something. I always felt that reading posts and interviews throughout the years he was aiming for something, but never really got it. I think A7X gave a new spark. Whether he becomes their new drummer or not is irrelevant, I don't listen to A7X simply because I'm not a fan but if he is happy, then I'm happy for him as a fan.

As for DT, well there are many drummers out there who can and will replace MP in terms of technical prowess. Few will put as much work keeping the fans satisfied but I feel that could only come from someone who sees that band through since the beginning. I will say this though, I'd much rather have great musical output (I don't think the past 3 albums have been great, good, but not great) than a personal touch. Take OSI for example, we get nothing as fans really besides the music, but the music is stellar.

My best wishes go out to MP and his family, as well as DT. I'm now more excited than ever for DT's new release.

Also, I'd love to see Gavin Harrison be the new drummer, but it's just a fantasy, plus I feel he fits perfectly in PT.

EDIT: I also think he will be back with DT, although I don't think DT should hastily take him back if that is the case.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 08, 2010, 09:04:02 PM
If there is one thing about life I have learned and feel comfortable preaching - despite being just 19 years-old - it is that change is not gradual. Some changes are, surely, but the biggest changes are sudden.

For example: Going to college; you are living at home one day, like normal, then you are gone. Or when your wife announces she is pregnant; you are the same as you have ever been one day, like normal, then you are grown-up.

And now there's this. Today Dream Theater was Dream Theater, like normal, and now Portnoy has left.

When Portnoy joined A7X for their tour I said to myself, "I would not be surprised if he left DT". But now that he has left, I am, put simply, shocked.

You see I am unlike most of you in that I don't really listen to DT anymore. I can spend hours trying to articulate why, but the fact is I just got too familiar with them and moved on. They ceased being a band to me and became... I don't know... Something else.

They became something I could always lean on. Something that didn't change from the time I was 14 - when I became a fan - to the present. I could always go to MP's forum and check on what was up in his life. I could always go buy a new Ytse Jam Bootleg. I could always look forward to a new DVD. To a new MP Forum Christmas video. To a new DVD commentary.

In life where change is sudden they were something that did not change. And now they have changed. And I am sad about it. I am not blubbering or crying, and I probably won't lose any sleep about it. But I am sad, for sure.

Funny, I am typing this as "A Change of Seasons" rings. Great song. I hate to say it but I disagree with you guys saying DT will still be DT. They will be DT, but they will not be Dream Theater. Dream Theater was more than music. Dream Theater was closeness, and most of that closeness was through Portnoy. Even if we get that closeness again, it will not be the same.

Musically, I think this is really good for them. But now I have one less thing to lean on, one more memory of the way things were. Tomorrow, I will look back on classic DT fondly. In a year, I might be glad Portnoy left.

But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.

Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
I won't be able to listen to DT in a long time.
I know. Me neither. It's sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 08, 2010, 09:05:19 PM
I wanna see the reaction of our friends in Europe...

Dream Theater has been my favourite band since for seven years now. I cannot believe it. Honestly, this is shocking.

Even so, I know that he will be back. I just know it. One of my first threads here was "Is Mike Portnoy Improving?" and most of the answers were "no". I know that he will be in lots of projects, but if he takes this time to focus on wanting to get better, trying new chops... I dunno.

I wonder if with this new line-up someone will take care of recording everything on his camera... most likely JR?

I SAID "I LOVE YOU" -GOODBYE.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 08, 2010, 09:08:16 PM
*waits for official post of DT press release
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 08, 2010, 09:08:56 PM
So, I was standing in line at Wal*Mart, waiting to check out (which took a total of 25 minutes or more - could've listened to ACOS while I was waiting in line) at the registers when I was checking Facebook on my mobile when I saw a post by MP on my wall... and was then completely saddened. I tried my best to remain calm and hold my composure as I loaded the conveyor belt with my groceries and such.

I read his letter with utter sadness and slight disappointment, but as I thought about it, he has every right. No one, not even the others in the band, have any right to hold him back. I'm happy Mike is willing to leave his baby behind in order to do what's best for him. He's slaved away with, and for, Dream Theater for the last 25 years with barely a break in the last 10, and he definitely does deserve some extended break.

I also understand that the rest of the band does need a source of income that, while MP is being paid to tour with A7X, the others have only been doing studio work (at least JLB, JP and JMX) for albums that won't clear nearly a fraction of the sales that BC&SL or even SC got them with Dream Theater. It was always made apparent their plans were to reconvene in January next year to start their 11th album, but when Mike started touring with A7X and would be doing so through most of the rest of the year, it seemed like the man wouldn't get a month to himself! He's been touring pretty steadily since the spring! He needs time to recharge and spend time with his family.

Upon thinking about it more, it'll be interesting to see how the band handles songs in the live setting in the future, especially since many of the latter DT songs feature MP doing prominent backing vocals. Who would do that AND drum at the same time?

Nick D'Virgilio? I wouldn't mind seeing him join DT, even if just for an album or tour or two. He's known the band for awhile, and toured with them with SB a couple times, so he knows them. He's certainly a VERY capable drummer, and while he doesn't have the ruff-n-gruff vocals that MP does, he could still do backing vocals to some extent. Also being a lead vocalist, there's a chance that he and JLB could do some really cool harmony stuff. He also does a lot of song-writing and I think between him and JP, they could pump out some great tunes in the Awake/FII sense. Nick's pop-sensibilities with the band's current popularity could push them to higher heights than BC&SL did, and be good publicity for Nick (who's been touring with Frost*, Agents Of Mercy and his own band Spock's Beard).

As for Mike... it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that he could get his own band and play his DT songs - imagine a small tour of the Mike Portnoy Band - covering songs he wrote lyrics for, doing the Twelve Step Suite, "The Best Of Times", and maybe "A Change Of Seasons". It would be quite a thrill and I would definitely pay quite a bit to see him play, even if it wasn't with DT.

This also makes me wonder - will DT play any more of Mike's songs? I know they've played songs written by Kevin since he left, but I'm sure things like the Twelve Step Suite, "A Change Of Seasons", possibly "Just Let Me Breath" and "Take The Time" might be taken out of future set lists... it also makes me wonder how the format of the live band will change as a result of touring without Mike - rotating set lists? Covers?

Also, what about the future of YtseJamRecords? That was pretty much MP's baby. Maybe in some of his down time, not touring or recording, he'll go through his amazing basement library archives and find some goodies... or we can hope.

A very sad day... but... we can only be hopeful for the future for both DT and Mike, now that they're no longer one and the same.

Carpe Diem, Mike... Carpe Diem.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 09:09:56 PM
I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SnakeEyes on September 08, 2010, 09:10:45 PM
I'm just going to say it.... I'm happy.  I always loved Portnoy's playing, but I really, REALLY never cared for the, "DT must produce their own albums" mentality they started having.  Hopefully, they'll start working with a producer again.  In fact, didn't Petrucci enjoy working with outside producers?  If so, maybe we'll see a return to that side of DT.  

Honestly, folks, I really think this is a new beginning of DT rather than a sad conclusion.  I think in about .... a year.... after they record a new album and we've all heard it (presumably with a new drummer), you'll all agree with me.  Don't be sad about MP leaving, be happy that the band is starting fresh.  Quite honestly, I've been hoping for Portnoy to leave.... not saying that in a disrespectful way, but if any of them HAD to go, he's my choice.  I'd rather see Portnoy leave waayyyy before JP or LaBrie.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
:rollin


Wait, wrong smiley...


:wahhh:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2010, 09:11:36 PM
But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.
Wow. Almost brought me to tears. :-\

I can't imagine how he can look back at his DT collection and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?'
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.

Weird.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: j on September 08, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
Jesus, this must have been announced RIGHT after I left for class.

Cynic though I am, this was completely unexpected.  I've been critical of Portnoy, but he's obviously a (arguably THE) central figure in the band, and it's hard for me to even fathom DT without his drumming, personality, and other innumerable contributions.

I'm curious about what led up to this and how the other guys feel about it.  It would be interesting to know the whole story.

Damn.

-J
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 09:14:54 PM
I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.

Weird.

Saw that too, that was really weird.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
I can't be mad at him either.
But I mean, he kind of did this to himself.

He made himself in charge. He didn't let anyone else take over.

He toured with DT, he didn't give himself the time off. He toured with Transatlantic by his own accord. He chose to do the A7X tour. And it's okay for him doing so.

I just don't understand why he didn't give himself a breather if he was getting tired with the band. Everyone else is taking the time off, Labrie aside - why not Portnoy?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 09:15:28 PM
He's only leaving for the Jewish High Holy Days. Then He'll be back. Right? RIGHT??
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 09:15:56 PM
I'm just going to say it.... I'm happy.  I always loved Portnoy's playing, but I really, REALLY never cared for the, "DT must produce their own albums" mentality they started having.  Hopefully, they'll start working with a producer again.  In fact, didn't Petrucci enjoy working with outside producers?  If so, maybe we'll see a return to that side of DT. 

Honestly, folks, I really think this is a new beginning of DT rather than a sad conclusion.  I think in about .... a year.... after they record a new album and we've all heard it (presumably with a new drummer), you'll all agree with me.  Don't be sad about MP leaving, be happy that the band is starting fresh.  Quite honestly, I've been hoping for Portnoy to leave.... not saying that in a disrespectful way, but if any of them HAD to go, he's my choice.  I'd rather see Portnoy leave waayyyy before JP or LaBrie. 
I'm... I mean, I don't agree with the first paragraph. But I'm finding myself energised by it surprisingly quickly. I think I inherently like change.
But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.
Wow. Almost brought me to tears. :-\

I can't imagine how he can look back at his DT collection and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?'
How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.

That said, if that's not where the passion is right now, then I'm glad he left. I think this was the right decision for everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if he returned. I don't know whether that's due to my own disbelief or what. I'm... somewhat glad about the news, though. Something needed changing, and they changed it. They chose the difficult option over the safe option. Quick and painful, rather than a dull ache. I'm energised by the change, a bit. Very optimistic. This doesn't feel like a Spock's Beard crippling loss. John Petrucci has wonderful solo albums, and you'd be hard pressed to find a better keyboardist than Jordan Rudess. I think this could still be brilliant.

More brilliant than a delayed album with an apathetic (exaggerating but STILL!) Mike Portnoy would be.

I'm happy. Genuinely happy. Didn't expect to be happy. Then again, didn't expect the announcement. Don't get me wrong, I'm still stunned. But happy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 09:16:13 PM
I'm watching The Daily Show right now, and Jon Stewart just held up a book called "Portnoy's Complaint" while arguing about religion. I've never heard of the book, but...what a strange coincidence.

Weird.

Saw that too, that was really weird.

I mean really, what are the odds? :|
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 08, 2010, 09:16:28 PM
If there is one thing about life I have learned and feel comfortable preaching - despite being just 19 years-old - it is that change is not gradual. Some changes are, surely, but the biggest changes are sudden.

For example: Going to college; you are living at home one day, like normal, then you are gone. Or when your wife announces she is pregnant; you are the same as you have ever been one day, like normal, then you are grown-up.

And now there's this. Today Dream Theater was Dream Theater, like normal, and now Portnoy has left.

When Portnoy joined A7X for their tour I said to myself, "I would not be surprised if he left DT". But now that he has left, I am, put simply, shocked.

You see I am unlike most of you in that I don't really listen to DT anymore. I can spend hours trying to articulate why, but the fact is I just got too familiar with them and moved on. They ceased being a band to me and became... I don't know... Something else.

They became something I could always lean on. Something that didn't change from the time I was 14 - when I became a fan - to the present. I could always go to MP's forum and check on what was up in his life. I could always go buy a new Ytse Jam Bootleg. I could always look forward to a new DVD. To a new MP Forum Christmas video. To a new DVD commentary.

In life where change is sudden they were something that did not change. And now they have changed. And I am sad about it. I am not blubbering or crying, and I probably won't lose any sleep about it. But I am sad, for sure.

Funny, I am typing this as "A Change of Seasons" rings. Great song. I hate to say it but I disagree with you guys saying DT will still be DT. They will be DT, but they will not be Dream Theater. Dream Theater was more than music. Dream Theater was closeness, and most of that closeness was through Portnoy. Even if we get that closeness again, it will not be the same.

Musically, I think this is really good for them. But now I have one less thing to lean on, one more memory of the way things were. Tomorrow, I will look back on classic DT fondly. In a year, I might be glad Portnoy left.

But right now, I don't feel like trying to be positive. I feel like being honest, and honestly, I wish this did not happen.

Gather Ye Rosebuds While Ye May

Tragic as it may be, I think that this post is going to be buried in the shitstorm.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 08, 2010, 09:16:37 PM
Jordan has commented: https://twitter.com/jcrudess (https://twitter.com/jcrudess)

Good to see they are optimistic
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 09:16:39 PM
(https://i38.tinypic.com/2afmpue.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 09:17:22 PM
as will the video I posted..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 09:19:38 PM
Jordan has commented: https://twitter.com/jcrudess (https://twitter.com/jcrudess)

Good to see they are optimistic
I don't like him saying they are "excited" because I know they are not that fully excited.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 09:19:51 PM
Dream Theater Official Press Release:

https://jcrudess.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/dream-theater-press-release/
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 09:20:42 PM
*snippity*

Tragical as it may be, I think that this post is going to be buried in the shitstorm.
Yeah, it's rather unfortunate. This might be one of the best posts in the thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
Dream Theater Official Press Release:

https://jcrudess.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/dream-theater-press-release/
And that's that folks. It's confirmed 100% true, and we can all move on now.


*continues binge of DT discog*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jamariquay on September 08, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
Kinda surreal to see this on the Dream Theater wikipedia article...

(https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k86/Jamariquay/Picture8.png?t=1284002504)

EDIT: Also, lol @ "Glasser"

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 08, 2010, 09:23:10 PM
Holy fuck. :omg:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 08, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Kinda surreal to see this on the Dream Theater wikipedia article...

(https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k86/Jamariquay/Picture8.png?t=1284002504)

EDIT: Also, lol @ "Glasser"



Guess the thread was tl;dr for you? It was posted a couple pages back :lol

Also, just had this thought -

Actually, thinking about it, if Nick did record with DT, it'd be mirroring what he did with Genesis back in 1997. Which is ironic considering what a friend of mine was comparing this to earlier - she said it was like when Phil Collins left Genesis back in the 90's, and then the band went on without him and recorded a rather lackluster album, which featured Nick D'Virgilio on some tracks.

Hopefully this situation doesn't happen with Dream Theater. I would hate to see them flop after such a successful album like Genesis had with We Can't Dance. It's funny, though, because earlier this year Mike compared himself to Phil in such a way that he was working so hard, all the time, with various projects and bands. Guess he did one more thing like Phil as well... :sadpanda:

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: razorsedge on September 08, 2010, 09:25:15 PM
maybe it's not within my rightss but i have to know how jm and jp feel about this.  they were kids when they started this thing together.  i have to imagine they are feeling the same ways about this that we are..."are we really making this decision...is this actually happening?"

i feel like it must be as shocking to them as it is to us that this is how it ends.  not a stupid fight, not a huge falling out...just a disagreement and a situation that cant be resolved another way.   and so it's over...for now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 09:25:45 PM
Jordan has commented: https://twitter.com/jcrudess (https://twitter.com/jcrudess)

Good to see they are optimistic
I don't like him saying they are "excited" because I know they are not that fully excited.
Sure they are! This has been in the works for a year. They're not as surprised as we are. They've had time to plan. To think about it. The next chapter's the great unknown! It's KevMo leaving! They'll have mixed feelings, sure. And they'll be upset, sure. But they're definitely allowed to be psyched. I'm sure that's one of the mishmash of weird feelings.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
All I can say is I am relieved that Mike made this statement on September 8th and not the 9th. I could not go on living if my birthday was the anniversary of Portnoy's departure...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MetalMike06 on September 08, 2010, 09:27:47 PM
I just found out about this...just.....wow...I can't quite stomach this. This is just weird.
 :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Phantasmatron on September 08, 2010, 09:28:58 PM
What the everliving fuck is this hoooorseshiiiiiit?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Global Laziness on September 08, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
All I can say is I am relieved that Mike made this statement on September 8th and not the 9th. I could not go on living if my birthday was the anniversary of Portnoy's departure...

Happy birthday! :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: j on September 08, 2010, 09:31:15 PM
I'd add that I expect he'll be back at some point, in one way or another.  I already hope so, even though I wasn't always a fan of what he did in DT.  It's weird; some of TOX's post kind of sums up how I feel about it I guess.

And you've gotta think the chances of getting KevMo to do a live show with them have gone up, at least one iota.  :neverusethis:

I'm... I mean, I don't agree with the first paragraph. But I'm finding myself energised by it surprisingly quickly. I think I inherently like change.

Maybe a big change like this is what DT needs.  Although this is one of the last ways I'd have ever thought it would manifest itself.

-J
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: predator13 on September 08, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
I remember (I think in the Score Doc) Mike said that if one of the members quit, the band would end.  This was the band.  

I guess the others didn't feel the same way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wasp2020 on September 08, 2010, 09:35:28 PM
Well this is totally unexpected, and a bit saddening, but...well, I'm hopeful for the future. I'm excited for what the next album'll sound like. A totally fresh start. I think Portnoy was a little overbearing and holding them back in the form of the routine of the past few albums. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Metropolis Pt. II on September 08, 2010, 09:36:11 PM
I've been trying to process this ever since MP made the announcement on Facebook.
He was that last person I thought would leave the band. But at the same time, his reasons for leaving make sense.
I don't know if I'm really contributing to this thread at all, but I just had the urge to post.
I don't know what else to say.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 08, 2010, 09:36:35 PM
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/portnoyquits.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
I'd add that I expect he'll be back at some point, in one way or another.
I also think this. Not because of the denial, no. It's because he just wanted to take a break. Maybe 5 years will pass, maybe even 10, but he will miss the band and the stuff he did with them. David Ellefson came back to Megadeth 8 years after leaving the band, and even Jason Newsted played with Metallica in the R&R Hall of Fame after nine years. And they both had more personal reasons than Mike (At least as far as we know). So maybe. Maybe...

But I think we somewhat saw it coming. We were speculating about it when he said he was going to be in A7X until November after saying initially that he was just going to be a session drummer. So maybe he just took the step and did it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 09:39:35 PM
I just read the thread about this on 5/8... I now realize why I don't post there.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 08, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
in 10 years they're going to be in their 50s.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Rafael Guerra on September 08, 2010, 09:40:07 PM
I'll go to bed. Can't wait to wake up at 7 tomoz and check the forum as well as Twitter. Things are happening so fast...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 08, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
I'd add that I expect he'll be back at some point, in one way or another.
I also think this. Not because of the denial, no. It's because he just wanted to take a break. Maybe 5 years will pass, maybe even 10, but he will miss the band and the stuff he did with them. David Ellefson came back to Megadeth 8 years after leaving the band, and even Jason Newsted played with Metallica in the R&R Hall of Fame after nine years. And they both had more personal reasons than Mike (At least as far as we know). So maybe. Maybe...

But I think we somewhat saw it coming. We were speculating about it when he said he was going to be in A7X until November after saying initially that he was just going to be a session drummer. So maybe he just took the step and did it.

Precisely. While Mike may be pulling a "Phil Collins" of sorts, he'll probably eventually want to reunite for at VERY LEAST, a tour for an anniversary, or a farewell (it'll happen some day). Maybe we'll get an album out of it... maybe not. But I don't think a tour would be out of the question. It really hinges on what the rest of the band will do between now and the new album and how they decide to handle their future now that it's in the hands of JP, JMX, JR and JLB. Maybe their new drummer's name will start with "J" to complete the alliteration.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 08, 2010, 09:43:56 PM
I definitely think MP will want to come back to the band at some point down the road.

I just dunno if the band will take him back at that point.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 08, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
I just read the thread about this on 5/8... I now realize why I don't post there.

I couldn't get past the first page.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sintheros on September 08, 2010, 09:49:16 PM
What the fuck.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 09:50:06 PM
I just read the thread about this on 5/8... I now realize why I don't post there.

I couldn't get past the first page.

Same. It's pretty disgusting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 08, 2010, 09:51:15 PM
When I first saw everyone's statuses hours ago, I figured it was a joke... :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TTTSTA on September 08, 2010, 09:51:45 PM
I am totally bummed by this! and in total shock! However the first thing i thought when i read this was "He'll be back!" The 30th annivesary tour is starting to sound KILLER!

Can someone please explain what 5/8 is?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 08, 2010, 09:52:40 PM
The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Orbert on September 08, 2010, 09:52:57 PM
Nothing to add.  Shock.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 09:53:20 PM
The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Its shit is all you need to know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2010, 09:53:58 PM
So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 08, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.



This is really fucking with me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2010, 09:55:33 PM
Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 09:55:47 PM
I will never see the "Wither" music video the same way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TL on September 08, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
Wow.
So unexpected. So many conflicting emotions.
I've typed, deleted, re-typed, etc, a number of thoughts from all over the spectrum. None of it felt quite right.

This seriously doesn't feel like it's really happening. I don't know when it will actually sink in.

At such a key moment in their career too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 09:56:54 PM
So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:

Or A Change of Seasons, or The Best of Times. :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Slain on September 08, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
I called one of my best friends and told him the news, and he honestly didn't believe me. He thought I was pulling his leg. The other end of the line for at least a minute or two was silent after he read it on the site. This is truly, a sad day. I'm honored and ashamed to be able to say I went to the last North American DT show with the core members, but unfortunately it was also my first.

It's a new beginning. A refreshing start, and DT may take their music in places that it wouldn't have with MP. For example, we will definitely see a less metal approach this time around, which is something I think some DT fans have been wanting. I say this to soften the blow, it doesn't mean that it will be the same.

I think I saw this coming, though. Mike commenting on not being a huge fan of Labries style of vocals anymore was a huge indicator to me. I think he's just into heavier stuff now, and wants to play more metal music (i.e. A7x and Hail!). And about him possibly becoming a permanent member of A7X, it's almost like losing a girlfriend that you love and care about, to someone else. You want her to be happy, and you know she will be if that's what she wants, but you can't help it but to feel bitter about it, because you're losing someone special.

It really set in when I saw "Former Members" on the wikipedia page. That hit me hard.

I just hope that this doesn't split the fanbase too much (I've already read posts on facebook and myspace stating "I WONT LISTEN TO DT WITHOUT MP") even though it most likely will. Oh well, wishful thinking I guess.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 08, 2010, 09:57:42 PM
I will never see the "Wither" music video the same way.
Hell yeah...and suddenly, Wither acquires a whole different new meaning  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TTTSTA on September 08, 2010, 09:57:53 PM
The more i sit here, the more i can't believe!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 08, 2010, 09:58:17 PM
So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:

If he decides to get his own touring band and play it, sure. It won't be DT, but if he got musicians capable of playing their stuff, we could likely see a show that features songs with his lyrics, including (but definitely not limited to) The Twelve Step Suite, "The Best Of Times", and "A Change Of Seasons". That right there would be a killer 95 minute set.

It just depends on what Mike wants to do with his now apparent "solo career".

How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.



This is really fucking with me.
It's just another part of his life. That tattoos will always remind him fondly of what he helped create. Sure he won't have any iconography or images from the upcoming albums, but he's got what he was a part of and I'm sure he won't look at it with regret.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2010, 09:58:31 PM
So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:

Or A Change of Seasons, or The Best of Times. :(
Oh my god I did not think about The Best Of Times.  :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SinisterMinisterX on September 08, 2010, 09:58:57 PM
Hey dudes. Haven't been to DTF in a long time but a few of you know me. I just saw Blabbermouth. I'm in shock.

If you'd have asked me, 10 minutes ago, who's least likely to leave, I'd have said MP. I wasn't surprised he wanted a break, I know he's been going for long time without one. But I would have figured on the rest of the band also wanting a break. Weren't they supposed to have one anyway, until Maiden came along?

I hope this works out well for DT and MP. And I hope the separation isn't permanent.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 09:59:43 PM
So we'll probably never see the 12 step suite live. :sadpanda:

Or A Change of Seasons, or The Best of Times. :(
Oh my god I did not think about The Best Of Times.  :'(

Actually, because Mike was the only member who ever vouched for those songs, they will probably never play a WDADU song again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 10:00:13 PM
The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Its shit is all you need to know.

While I'm sure I'd agree with the assessment of their thread it's important now, as in the past that we not attack their forum and stir up shit, so I'd ask that there be no more posts like this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 10:00:22 PM
How can he look back at his own naked torso and not say to himself 'What the fuck did I do?!' Man's COVERED in DT tattoos.



This is really fucking with me.
It's just another part of his life. That tattoos will always remind him fondly of what he helped create. Sure he won't have any iconography or images from the upcoming albums, but he's got what he was a part of and I'm sure he won't look at it with regret.

-Marc.
I kind of hope he won't, in some ways. The band have made a brave decision. So has Mike. It'll be a very odd adjustment - imagine Mike Portnoy pre-ordering DT11 and waiting for it to arrive on its release date! - but I'd quite like them to stick with it, and do wonderful, new, exciting things in their separate domains.

That was the past. It was old. And great. What next?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 10:01:27 PM
This is truly, a sad day. I'm honored and ashamed to be able to say I went to the last North American DT show with the core members, but unfortunately it was also my first.

I was at that show as well. It makes me :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 08, 2010, 10:02:11 PM
I will never see the "Wither" music video the same way.
Hell yeah...and suddenly, Wither acquires a whole different new meaning  :-\
Still This barrenness consumes me
And I feel like giving up

So I wither, and render myself helpless
I give in and everything is clear
I break down, and let the story Guide me
/
I drown in hesitation, my words come crashing down
And all my best creations burn into the ground
The thought of starting over leaves me paralyzed
Tear it out again, another one that got away


HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
Another nugget!

But a shitty one.  :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 10:03:43 PM
The forum created from the ashes of DT.net. The people that wanted to discuss more DT broke off and became DTF.
Its shit is all you need to know.

While I'm sure I'd agree with the assessment of their thread it's important now, as in the past that we not attack their forum and stir up shit, so I'd ask that there be no more posts like this.

Right, sorry.
Although, the treatment of Portnoy over there right now makes me furious.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 10:04:32 PM
Okay, I'm going to go to sleep, and when I wake up, I will realize that this is all some
sort of dream.
If that is not the case; I suppose it's somewhat fitting that it's jewish new year today. Not only is it a symbol of new beginnings, but also, Mike will have until Yom Kippur to realize his mistakes and
repent.

(Sarcastic post; don't take seriously)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 08, 2010, 10:07:58 PM
Oh yeah!!! Fellow jew.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TL on September 08, 2010, 10:08:21 PM
I'm really glad that I got to see them live last year.
I honestly never would have thought that I wouldn't be able to see them with MP again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ravenheart on September 08, 2010, 10:09:13 PM
............................................................................


 :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The King in Crimson on September 08, 2010, 10:09:23 PM
Well, sonuvabitch.

It's sad to see him leave, but... I'm eager to see how the band will handle this. Hopefully a new voice in the band will help to get the creative juices flowing.

I'm glad that I got to see them when they toured with Iron Maiden, but I'm sad that I now won't be able to see the 'core group' do a headlining show.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 08, 2010, 10:09:50 PM
I just realized - I'm really glad Mike finished his Twelve Step Suite before leaving the band. There would've been SO MUCH RAGE had he left before completing it.

That's all I have to add...for now.

And speaking of the suite, I'm going to listen to my mix of it right now...as I finish up listening to "A Change Of Seasons" from LFSNY. *sigh*

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 10:11:18 PM
Reading the 5/8 thread.

I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gorille85 on September 08, 2010, 10:12:10 PM
I just realized - I'm really glad Mike finished his Twelve Step Suite before leaving the band. There would've been SO MUCH RAGE had he left before completing it.

That's all I have to add...for now.

And speaking of the suite, I'm going to listen to my mix of it right now...as I finish up listening to "A Change Of Seasons" from LFSNY. *sigh*

-Marc.
Your avatar is beating the shit out of his drums! :omg:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 08, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
Edit that post, faemir.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 10:12:50 PM
Reading the 5/8 thread.

I wasn't aware that it redirected to that website that shall go unnamed.

The elitist "herp derp look at those deetee fans who are bawling their eyes out, arent they stupid lol" attitude is so pathetic and reminiscient of *snip!
* there's no wonder you guys hang out here instead, especially when you realise that it's not all cool and hip to be hatin' on dream theater.

So to all the 5/8ers reading this. Grow the fuck up and go listen to some djent or kvlt or whatever tickles the cool crew nowadays.
I'd hate to see you get in trouble dude. You might want to make the above changes to your post.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Implode on September 08, 2010, 10:14:43 PM
The only reason I'm really upset is that I never got to see them in concert. :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dark Master Of Sin on September 08, 2010, 10:17:34 PM
Just saw this, I'm honestly crying...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 10:18:32 PM
The biggest news of Dream Theater's history.

Users Online: 517 Guests, 138 Users (8 Hidden)
Most Online Today: 827. Most Online Ever: 827 (Today at 09:22:36 PM)

And "Portnoy" is currently trending on Twitter.

Of all the things big Dream Theater news-related things, why the hell is it this?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 08, 2010, 10:18:35 PM
Time to listen to Caught In A Web.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 10:19:32 PM
Time to listen to Caught In A Web.

....why?...
Of all the songs...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 08, 2010, 10:19:37 PM
Time to listen to everything DT has ever released.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 10:22:22 PM
Time to listen to everything DT has ever released.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2010, 10:23:07 PM
Listening to Disappear.

Why, tell me the reasons why
Try, still I don't understand
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Blabbermouth got the official report:

https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=145753
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 08, 2010, 10:27:18 PM
Wow. :sadpanda:
(https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/dreamtheaternomike.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 10:28:56 PM
Reading the 5/8 thread.

I wasn't aware that it redirected to ****

The elitist "herp derp look at those deetee fans who are bawling their eyes out, arent they stupid lol" attitude is so pathetic and reminiscient of *** there's no wonder you guys hang out here instead, especially when you realise that it's not all cool and hip to be hatin' on dream theater.

So to all the 5/8ers reading this. Grow the fuck up and go listen to some djent or kvlt or whatever tickles the cool crew nowadays.

Read my last post and consider this a warning. We do NOT want shots being fired across forums. They may do as they please, and frankly they may attack this place and Dream Theater fans that post here, but that is not what we will do here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 10:30:15 PM
Maybe edit the unnamed site out of his post as well, eh?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 10:31:44 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arcaeus on September 08, 2010, 10:32:40 PM
The second one is still there, hotshot. :tup
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 10:33:23 PM
Edited, though i'd love to know why that's a rule, it smacks of "he who shall not be named" voldemort syndrome. But a rule's a rule.


Reading the next edition of Lifting Shadows will be the worst thing ever.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 10:34:25 PM
Thanks again... this is a moderators nightmare... so many factors, I've been up way too long, reading about this way too much, and I'm about to finally go to bed. BE GOOD DAMMIT. I don't want to have to lay any smack-downs in the morning.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 08, 2010, 10:36:44 PM
Put this into the initial post, but I'm going to put it here as well-

A few things to remember-
1. There will be no bashing of Mike Portnoy
2. There will be no bashing of Dream Theater
3. There will be no bashing of certain other forums
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 08, 2010, 10:38:08 PM
The NEWS ATTENTION at the top of the page, should be changed, don't you think?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Scard on September 08, 2010, 10:38:13 PM
Well...I saw him with them on their last tour, opening for my favourite band, Iron Maiden. That's a good way to go out in my books. There's no saying he'll NEVER come back either, anything can happen. I wish him the best, even though I'm not a fan of A7X
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Talon on September 08, 2010, 10:38:19 PM
Thanks again... this is a moderators nightmare... so many factors, I've been up way too long, reading about this way too much, and I'm about to finally go to bed. BE GOOD DAMMIT. I don't want to have to lay any smack-downs in the morning.
i feel ya man : (
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 08, 2010, 10:39:35 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arcaeus on September 08, 2010, 10:40:20 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

Okay, I was perfectly fine with Mike leaving before, but now I think I'm gonna start crying.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

Yeah, his leaving wasn't as ominous in that way as Kevin's was.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Scard on September 08, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
What about the 12 Step on DVD!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: CrimsonE on September 08, 2010, 10:41:36 PM
I'm not sure exactly what to think of this myself.  I guess it's better that MP leaves than continues with a band that he no longer feels comfortable with, but it's still a shame, especially b/c the band is continuing to grow, both musically and in terms of sales.  

As for DT, I can't imagine a parallel situation where a driving force for the band (not the singer) leaves so abruptly.  I'm guessing that the closest would be if Lars left Metallica, or if Steve Harris left Iron Maiden.  To many, MP was DT.  Let's hope that this move transitions the band into a new beginning and does not signal the beginning of the end.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol
:whatthe:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arcaeus on September 08, 2010, 10:43:01 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol
:whatthe:

You asshole now I'll have to be reminded of this travesty every time I look at this page.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 08, 2010, 10:43:31 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol
:whatthe:

You asshole now I'll have to be reminded of this travesty every time I look at this page.
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Volk9 on September 08, 2010, 10:43:51 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol
:whatthe:

 :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 08, 2010, 10:44:03 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

OK. Now I'm depressed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OptionalPlayer on September 08, 2010, 10:49:23 PM
Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:

https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 10:51:55 PM
5 years... 8 years. So what? Until the band get a lot older, there is always the chance of a reunion, I mean look at Iron Maiden. Considering that they are what, a good 10-15 years ahead of the DT guys, we can always get a triumphant return a la Brave New World. King Crimson are even further on the radar. My only concern is after DT find a replacement drummer, then Portnoy is all "oh hey guys, reunion?", and then there is an awkward two drummers on stage thing. Though it was fine with Derek... I dunno. I'm still rather shocked from this whole thing :(

edit: Steve Harris left Iron Maiden and they.... oooh. Okay they didn't do so good :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:

https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
(https://chaosrexmachinae.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/sonicadventuredc.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 10:54:57 PM
Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:

https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
(https://chaosrexmachinae.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/sonicadventuredc.jpg)

Hahahahahaha. Brilliant. Proper laughed at that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: FiberglassMoon on September 08, 2010, 10:56:14 PM
I can count the number of times I've been this stunned (and consequently depressed) on one hand.  I don't even know how to react right now.  I really refuse to believe that he has left DT for good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: faemir on September 08, 2010, 10:57:00 PM
Not to be off-topic, but DAMN that game was awesome.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

How about "The Best of Times" being the last DT song he ever wrote lyrics for (when looking at the songs in chronological order on the CDs)?  That is kind of cool when you think about it. :coolio
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 08, 2010, 11:03:28 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

How about "The Best of Times" being the last DT song he ever wrote lyrics for (when looking at the songs in chronological order on the CDs)?  That is kind of cool when you think about it. :coolio
Finished his suite, wrote a tribute to his dad, then left.

That's pretty good by my book.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 08, 2010, 11:04:20 PM
Jordan Rudess on Twitter right now:

https://twitter.com/Jcrudess
"I'll miss Mike because not only is he an incredibly talented drummer and friend, but he's always supportive of me and my sonic adventures!"
(https://chaosrexmachinae.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/sonicadventuredc.jpg)


Fuck you, dude. That caught me totally off guard.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Volk9 on September 08, 2010, 11:05:53 PM
Not to be off-topic, but DAMN that game was awesome.

I agree :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LearningToLive on September 08, 2010, 11:06:46 PM
Wow, this really sucks. DT is gonna feel Portnoy's loss big time.  Who knows, maybe (hopefully) they'll get back together eventually... no drummer can replace him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: setrataeso on September 08, 2010, 11:06:58 PM
The tourography better not go anywhere! I need that thing!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 11:09:47 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

How about "The Best of Times" being the last DT song he ever wrote lyrics for (when looking at the songs in chronological order on the CDs)?  That is kind of cool when you think about it. :cool


I'll always remember, those were the best of times.

Fuck you, dude. That caught me totally off guard.  :lol

 :heart





Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 08, 2010, 11:15:54 PM
Lots of great posts in this thread by a lot of people.

@Reap', Rob, and DoC:  :clap:  :uny:

@TOX:  great post as well.  One of the best things I've read on this forum in ages.

@Bacong:  You are within an inch of being banned.  Quit trolling, now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 08, 2010, 11:39:02 PM
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THIS IS A TERRIBLE DAY FOR ME :[

I am a big DT fan and I always thought Mike was the best. He is a really good looking guy and I loved his smile. I remember when I met him and we hugged I touched his bum a bit and it was so great. I think I had fantasies about it for months!

I remember when someone posted that video of him and his kids on Facebook, I imagined being part of his household and hanging out with him and his kids... his wife was never there. I guess that means something?

Anyway I am very sad about this and I really hope that he reconsiders. I will be watching him whatever he does but leaving DT is a bad decision in my opinion. We will miss you Mike, come back soon!

From John
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 11:41:40 PM
I don't know, there's a part of me that is excited for what the new music will bring. A part of me that really longs for the 90s style of DT to possibly come back through this. There really is.

But, there is also a part of me that almost wishes that the band would just stay together and release less-than-stellar material over and over. There is something about the five guys in this band that is almost a balancing nature in my life. "I am OK today because Mike Portnoy is still in the band," you know? Waking up knowing that the band that I grew up on through high school and college isn't together in it's purest form kind of frightens me. How can I get on through the day knowing that I'll never see another Dream Theater show that doesn't contain who was essential the "father" of the band?

All of these things trouble me very deeply. I guess I'll just have to learn, and come to accept the fact that my life may never be stable again..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 08, 2010, 11:47:44 PM
I remember when I met him and we hugged I touched his bum a bit and it was so great. I think I had fantasies about it for months!

You'll fit in here just fine.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Remember the "Wither" video?  Suddenly, that almost seems like they all knew he was leaving and that was a tribute to their time together.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 08, 2010, 11:49:38 PM
Remember the "Wither" video?  Suddenly, that almost seems like they all knew he was leaving and that was a tribute to their time together.

Mike looked so good in that, I've watched that video like 10 times already today!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 08, 2010, 11:49:48 PM
Yea, there's no way I'm reading 14 pages. Jackie told me she got some texts about it, we didn't take it seriously, guess we should. I'll tell her when she wakes up.

But since I'm not reading through all of this, is there anything else beyond Portnoy leaving? Any other news I should know about?

Please be serious.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 08, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
Yea, there's no way I'm reading 14 pages. Jackie told me she got some texts about it, we didn't take it seriously, guess we should. I'll tell her when she wakes up.

But since I'm not reading through all of this, is there anything else beyond Portnoy leaving? Any other news I should know about?

Please be serious.

I heard that JMX might leave next.. But it was probably a rumor.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 08, 2010, 11:51:30 PM
Yea, there's no way I'm reading 14 pages. Jackie told me she got some texts about it, we didn't take it seriously, guess we should. I'll tell her when she wakes up.

But since I'm not reading through all of this, is there anything else beyond Portnoy leaving? Any other news I should know about?

Please be serious.

Well I heard that he wants to start a solo project where he plays all the instruments and sings. I think it would be pretty sweet!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 08, 2010, 11:52:16 PM
Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 08, 2010, 11:58:41 PM
A few things are on my mind:

I'm totally shocked. Such a thread on an empty stomach is definitely not the best thing.

What strikes me as the most surprising thing is that DT want to go on without MP. I always thought that without any of the founding members, DT would be history.

I can't really look into the band's future right now. No drummer right now, and we don't know who's going to take over as a band leader (maybe JP?).

That said, I was always a bit critical towards MP, but I always like his drumming chops. It's a very sad day for DT and the fan community, and I hope that DT will find a drummer that will suit their style.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 08, 2010, 11:59:50 PM
Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.

Good to hear.  Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here"),  so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine.  I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.  

Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way).  Ya know? :)

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:00:57 AM
Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.

Good to hear.  Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here,"  so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine.  I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.  

Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way).  Ya know? :)

But Portnoy's vocals were the best! I love the way he sounds, such a manly voice... <3
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 09, 2010, 12:01:08 AM
Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.

Good to hear.  Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here,"  so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine.  I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.  

Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way).  Ya know? :)

Well put sir.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:01:24 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.

Good to hear.  Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here,"  so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine.  I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.  

Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way).  Ya know? :)



Interesting aspect. If it works out like you said, then we're probably in for nice surprises.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:02:28 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Mike Portnoy left your band too? You lucky bastard, I would kill to be that close to him!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TheGlassPrison on September 09, 2010, 12:06:53 AM
Wow, I read the whole thread and I still can't wrap my head around this. I have a ton of thoughts that I'm really trying to process...

a) MP's rationale for leaving the band makes a ton of sense, for a normal person. Does it really make sense for Portnoy, though? We know that he loves music of all styles, even if he's not as enamored with the DT brand of prog metal anymore. Combine that with his obsessive tendencies, and I still can't really believe this is it for MP and DT. I would put pretty good money on MP rejoining the band within, say, 5 years. Whether that's in a tour or album capacity (or obviously both!), I dunno.

b) In the interim, at least I really like A7X. I hope he continues with the band in a permanent capacity now that he's ex-DT. With MP, I think we can safely expect the band to be more metal and less...experimental pop rock? I think that if MP gets them to return to either their WtF or CoE form, that's a very good thing.

c) Who replaces MP? Obviously it has to be someone with major chops, isn't locked into another band obligation, and is capable of learning all the music - or at least enough for a set list. I think the days of the rotating tour set list are done now; how much can the new guy learn? More importantly...

d) Who's the leader of DT now? Is Petrucci or LaBrie ready to carry the band in a business, press, and fan relation sense? What happens to something like Prog Nation - is it over forever now?

e) How does MP leaving change the direction of their future output?

I think some of these things have been posted already, and I figure the rest of you are just as  ??? as I am.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 09, 2010, 12:07:03 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Mike Portnoy left your band too? You lucky bastard, I would kill to be that close to him!

 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 12:07:34 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:09:17 AM
Oh man, I just realized...

Mike Portnoy and M. Shadows in the same band permanently... that's too much hotness for one stage!

Mmmmmmmmmmmm.....

John
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 09, 2010, 12:09:41 AM
I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.

I'm all for looking at the positives, but it worries me to see so many "This is great for the sound of the band!" reactions.

Its 2 a.m. here and I don't think I'll be sleeping.

I'm so upset....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:10:22 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:12:13 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.

Wait so you're in a relationship with Portnoy? You bastard, break up with him, he's mine!  >:(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: moonman9j9 on September 09, 2010, 12:13:44 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.

Wait so you're in a relationship with Portnoy? You bastard, break up with him, he's mine!  >:(

Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:14:12 AM
I was. He's all yours now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:14:43 AM
TOX, your post was really, really excellent.

This situation is so fucking parallel to what's going on in my personal life right now. I hate it...this is awful.

Aww that sucks big time. I hope things turn out better for you.
Thanks man. Relationships are a bitch.

Wait so you're in a relationship with Portnoy? You bastard, break up with him, he's mine!  >:(

Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader. 

But I'm sad too! :[ DT are great and Mike should never have left. I am so torn up about this, I feel like someone died!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 09, 2010, 12:15:01 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:15:09 AM
I was. He's all yours now.

YES! Can I have his number?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

I KNOW RIGHT
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:17:24 AM
I was. He's all yours now.

YES! Can I have his number?
i had to delete it off my phone. Come on, you know how breakups work.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arcaeus on September 09, 2010, 12:20:03 AM
I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.

Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader. 

 :facepalm: :facepalm: Different people deal with things in different ways. Some choose to joke it off, and others choose to see the positive in a situation rather than the negative -- don't expect everyone to act all depressed about it, even though, yes, it sucks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:21:42 AM
5/8.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:23:44 AM
I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.

Listen, troll, some of us just want to mourn the loss of a great friend and band leader. 

 :facepalm: :facepalm: Different people deal with things in different ways. Some choose to joke it off, and others choose to see the positive in a situation rather than the negative -- don't expect everyone to act all depressed about it, even though, yes, it sucks.

I'm already building a Portnoy shrine... it's gonna be awesome!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 12:24:40 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

I KNOW RIGHT

At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: toro on September 09, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
The trolls, they are coming...


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: *troll=banned* on September 09, 2010, 12:25:21 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

I KNOW RIGHT

At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.

I plan to listen to their entire catalogue until I pass out and can't stay awake anymore... I've already eaten a whole package of caffeine pills!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: juice on September 09, 2010, 12:27:41 AM
well it's about that time when the europeans rise.  we shall see their reactions too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 12:28:30 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

I KNOW RIGHT

At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.

I plan to listen to their entire catalogue until I pass out and can't stay awake anymore... I've already eaten a whole package of caffeine pills!


Sounds fun, enjoy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 12:28:48 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

I KNOW RIGHT

At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.

My plans for today are pretty much ruined, there's also a downside to that. :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: yeshaberto on September 09, 2010, 12:29:15 AM
how is there still 200+ guests still reading this thread....wow
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 09, 2010, 12:29:39 AM
Look at the board stats as well...

Most Online Ever: 827 (Today at 03:22:36)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SnakeEyes on September 09, 2010, 12:29:49 AM
Is that person's user name seriously, "fuck"?  

WTF?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 12:30:18 AM
@ SE: Yup. You know how it is like...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:32:14 AM
I kinda wish they'd do one last show or something
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 12:32:50 AM
well it's about that time when the europeans rise.  we shall see their reactions too.


That's kind of cruel. But I do anticipate BRGM's response.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 12:32:54 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

I KNOW RIGHT

At least you actually got some rest. I don't think I'll be able to sleep at all tonight.

I plan to listen to their entire catalogue until I pass out and can't stay awake anymore... I've already eaten a whole package of caffeine pills!
Troll, banned.

And on-topic, PLM summed up my exact reaction in the first reply:
WHAT


THE



FUCK?!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TJPNET on September 09, 2010, 12:33:12 AM
c) Who replaces MP? Obviously it has to be someone with major chops, isn't locked into another band obligation, and is capable of learning all the music - or at least enough for a set list. I think the days of the rotating tour set list are done now; how much can the new guy learn?

I think the rotating set lists will continue. James said in a recent interview that playing the same songs over and over on the Iron Maiden tour bored him, and I'd imagine that others in DT would probably feel the same way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Buckethead on September 09, 2010, 12:34:53 AM
Metropolis without Mike Portnoy in the band is just wrong...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kid_gloves on September 09, 2010, 12:35:07 AM
hey guys, i made this video to pay tribute to the parting of mike from dream theater.  i hope you enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf6abZyzatg

its been a long time since ive talked to a lot of you, i just hope dream theater continues to be the best of the best.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 09, 2010, 12:36:18 AM
I can see Jordan becoming the new face of DT now, considering all the youtube videos and twitter posts he does.

Edit: And I mean just in a social way, like when it comes to interviews etc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 09, 2010, 12:40:46 AM
I dunno, I'm shocked, but a little excited. I mean, I haven't been too thrilled with DTs recent output, so any change might lead to good. It might not, but I'm excited to see what the band sounds like with Portnoy calling as many of the shots as he did.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 12:44:01 AM
This post will probably be forgotten in an hour, given the amount of expected responses, but here we go.

First, good luck to MP. You have to follow your heart, and if this was the only way you thought you could preserve your friendships in the band, then you did the right thing.

Second, if the band wasn't willing to go on an extended hiatus, then I hope fans understand that time is money. Bands can NOT be off the road for a significant amount of time, even bands like DT. There are mortgages to pay, kids to eventually put through school, etc. So for MP to expect the guys to go on a long hiatus is really ridiculous. DT makes nothing on album sales. They make money on the road, and through merch. Plain and simple. A long time off the road means less and less income.

Third, that said, it is really, really weird to think of DT going on without Mike Portnoy, but it will, and it will be successful. MP is a great drummer. one of the best. But every single great drummer in heavy metal will want to sit on his drum stool for this gig, and since Mike didn't write any of the music of the songs (mostly a John/Jordan role), just lyrics, I really don't think DT is going to miss Mike in regard to the creation of the music.

Life will go on. Had DT lost Petrucci, the band would be fundamentally altered since he is the core music writer in the band (akin to when Queensryche lost DeGarmo). But the loss of MP can be overcome. It will just take people getting used to the idea.

Anyway, here's hoping A7X gave Mike their drum spot permanently, because it will be a well paying gig, which is something MP will need now that the income from DT touring will not be there.
Really well said Bri, that pretty much sums up my feelings as well.

Also, people seem to say things like "he's leaving DT for A7X", which is simply not true, so try reading the announcement again please. He didn't want to leave, but he wanted a longer hiatus to take a break, but the rest of the band were not willing to do that, which is why they have parted. Who knows if it'll be a permanent fixture, but as of right now this is what all the members want. It'll definitely be interesting to see where they go from here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
I'm at a loss for words here. Don't know what to say. This is the first thing I read when I got to work, and I'm just... sad, heartbroken. Didn't really see this one coming. MP was the last member I thought would leave DT. Like he says, it's his baby.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 09, 2010, 12:46:41 AM
Could this be the end?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 12:47:23 AM
Good news: I finally stopped crying.

Edit: but my urge to vomit returned. Damn it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SoundscapeMN on September 09, 2010, 12:49:02 AM
Jon Anderson left Yes. What happened?

here are some of my thoughts (https://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater.html)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: moffatt on September 09, 2010, 12:50:32 AM
(https://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/16593/original/vader-nooooo.jpg?1252269506)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 12:56:37 AM
You're a little late for that to be dramatic.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lonestar on September 09, 2010, 01:02:46 AM
Just found out.  Very sad indeed, but for a band to have the great run that they did with that solid of a lineup is a gift to all of us. Thanks Mike, and Ihhope to see you back.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dimitrius on September 09, 2010, 01:10:21 AM
I've started my binge through DT's discography...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 09, 2010, 01:12:47 AM
Listening to The Glass Prison right now...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 01:18:50 AM
I'm creating a playlist/CD-mix of MP-penned songs...all of them, plus related instrumentals.

Here's my working set list as of right now (after going through a dozen different track orders):

10:15 - "The Mirror" (Demo Version)
11:36 - "Raise the Knife"
 6:46 - "Never Enough" ->
 8:56 - "Overture 1928/Strange Deja Vu"  (Making Of SFAM Alternate Mix)
 5:28 - "Just Let Me Breathe"
 6:55 - "Constant Motion"
10:14 - "Honor Thy Father"
 8:20 - "New Millennium"
13:03 - "Home" (Making Of SFAM Alternate Mix)
 5:43 - "Ytse Jam"
 9:45 - "Burning My Soul/Hell's Kitchen" ->
11:56 - "Finally Free"  (Making Of SFAM Alternate Mix + My own edits at the end) ->
55:51 - "The Twelve Step Suite" (My remix of the suite, not one track but that's the total length)
 5:11 - "Eve"
13:07 - "The Best of Times"
23:06 - "A Change of Seasons"

The end of "Raise The Knife" is the same key as "Never Enough" so the transition is pretty sweet. Also, JLMB followed by CM is pretty sweet too.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cthrubuoy on September 09, 2010, 01:23:12 AM
WTF?!

What a terrible way to wake up.

This.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2010, 01:23:34 AM
I don't know if I'll be wanting to listen to DT at the moment. Perhaps a needed "break" from them would be healthy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Scrub206 on September 09, 2010, 01:25:28 AM
fuck.. im like super depressed right now...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Silver Tears on September 09, 2010, 01:35:11 AM
:(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 09, 2010, 01:51:18 AM
I went through four of the five stages of death, but I just can't accept this.

I'm going to go paint it out...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Lynxo on September 09, 2010, 02:15:56 AM
My girlfriend texted this to me. I laughed and didn't believe her. Then I logged into my Twitter account on my phone and saw Jordan's latest tweets. :(

Dear GOD! He really is the last person I expected to leave this band. I seem to remember him saying that the current line-up is so great that if any of them were to leave now, it would be the end of DT. Well, I'm glad that isn't the case.

Even though I'm still in shock, I'm glad that they are continuing. Finding a drummer with Portnoy's skills probably won't be that hard, not when you've got the reputation that DT has.

But who is going to take care of Ytse Jam shop? The rotating set lists? The interviews? And a TON of other things he does that none of us knows anything about. :(

And to think I listened to Transatlantic's The Whirlwind this morning, being angry that I couldn't listen to the whole piece. I'm really glad if this leads to more Transatlantic records, but...

BUT WHAT ABOUT DT!!!! :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: XJDenton on September 09, 2010, 02:24:10 AM
This is unexpected.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TheVoxyn on September 09, 2010, 02:25:38 AM
Bah, too bad. But I can't say I'm shocked to hear it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 03:15:07 AM
I've started my binge through DT's discography...
Yeah I'm pretty much doing the same. Listened to most of BSCL on the way to work, and since arriving have finished that off and am now nearing the end of ACOS.

I've also now finished reading through the full thread. The news shocked me, but only two things have so far brought a tear to my eye:
- TOX's post. Seriously, the way it ended made me feel incredibly sad.
- The end of The Shattered Fortress. When the TGP reprise came in, it hit me that this really is the end of an era.

:(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: the-glass-prison on September 09, 2010, 03:24:05 AM
I'm gutted but not surprised. I wish MP all the very best. I look back at all the DT shows I have been to with fond memories. It hurts to think that I will never see MP behind that monster kit at a DT show again. My mind is numb, I just can't think straight now.  :sad: :angry:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 09, 2010, 03:26:11 AM
I've started my binge through DT's discography...
Yeah I'm pretty much doing the same. Listened to most of BSCL on the way to work, and since arriving have finished that off and am now nearing the end of ACOS.

I've also now finished reading through the full thread. The news shocked me, but only two things have so far brought a tear to my eye:
- TOX's post. Seriously, the way it ended made me feel incredibly sad.
- The end of The Shattered Fortress. When the TGP reprise came in, it hit me that this really is the end of an era.

:(

Yeah. ToX's post needs to be archived, or something. Nominated for POTY.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 03:41:57 AM
WTF

This is a pretty shitty birthday present.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 09, 2010, 03:54:35 AM
Now that I've seen more posts, I like how, as always, Jordan keeps looking forward and being optimistic. Gonna need that always in a band.... Good job, Wiz ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Vahvahenki on September 09, 2010, 03:56:18 AM
I'm speechless... I had the impression he was the one band member who would stick with DT until the bitter end.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ack44 on September 09, 2010, 04:08:18 AM
WTF

This is a pretty amazing birthday present.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: WDADU on September 09, 2010, 04:10:58 AM
I think this is going to be a relively long post. Bear with me if you want. If you ignore it, that's okay too.

I came back from a movie tonight at around one o'clock this morning. When I opened up my laptop and logged into MSN, I received an offline message from my guitarist saying, "MIKE PORTNOY LEFT?!?!?!?!?! MIKE PORTNOY LEFT?!?!?!?!"

"No fucking way," I thought, "not Dream Theater."

I jumped on here immediately and saw the news, I headed over to Blabbermouth and saw it. I literally started to cry. I'm still in shock and the very thought of Mike not being in Dream Theater scares the shit out of me. Mike is/was Dream Theater in my honest opinion.

As a drummer, this hits me very hard since I very much look up to Mike Portnoy because it was him who influenced me to expand my style of playing, encorporating odd-time signatures, etc. I know I'm talking about him as if he were dead but I'm sorry; I'm just as much a fan of Dream Theater and from a drummer's point of view, I learned so goddamn much from him as an individual drummer and a member of Dream Theater.  And seeing him live at Massey Hall on March 25th, 2004 on the Train Of Thought world tour in Toronto is something that I will never forget.

I read this thread from beginning to end and I too believe that Mike will be back soon. I hope to God he comes back. I just don't see Mike not doing anything with the band that he pretty much carried on his back for over twenty-five years. I honestly think after some time and rest, he will come back and he will be stronger, better, and more clear-headed than ever. I never expected this to happen, to be quite honest. I just sincerely hope that he comes back and puts out a whole new slew of Dream Theater records because I personally thought that Black Clouds And Silver Linings was their best release in over a decade.

If he doesn't come back, however, I wish him nothing but the best and I hope he is happy with his choce(s).

And personally- just by short of a miracle that he is reading this page: Thank you, Mike. I have been admiring you since I was eleven years old. I have much to owe you in terms of music appreciation, drumming, and discovering your band which has taken me on such an extraordinary journey that I could never thank you enough.

Cheers, Mike.

Carpe diem. Seize the day.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Portrucci on September 09, 2010, 04:12:33 AM
I think I recall Mike almost leaving DT after FII? I don't think this is completely unexpected, he is a passionate man, and if things aren't going he's way, he will usually do something about it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Mladen on September 09, 2010, 04:17:48 AM
You know what...

I absolutely love Mike. He's one heck of a guy. He might be one of the best drummers on the planet, and a huge creative force in Dream Theater in every way you can imagine. But if he decided to leave the band, so be it, even though I can't even imagine how it would feel like without him. I wish him luck and happiness. Dream Theater just can't end. Huge support towards LaBrie, Myung, Petrucci and Rudess. I can't wait to see who the new drummer is.

Keep the dream alive, guys!

 :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wkiml on September 09, 2010, 04:19:05 AM
I almost am mad at some of you guys and how easy you are letting this situation go.

I'm all for looking at the positives, but it worries me to see so many "This is great for the sound of the band!" reactions.

Its 2 a.m. here and I don't think I'll be sleeping.

I'm so upset....

And  I don't understand how people lose sleep over a band member deciding to move on, there were so many " I cried " posts I actually thought I was going to get sick. Its not like the man has died nor the band break up.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 04:28:23 AM
I can't believe it.  Today has been surreal.  I found out that two people I was in hospital with who had the same disease as me had died, one from the disease and one suicide.  Then I found out that my friend has hours left to live.  And now home to find this.  It feels like I'm dreaming.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Moonchild on September 09, 2010, 04:29:13 AM
 :omg:
European n00b since Octavarium here.

Woke up went to work and looked as usual to blabbermouth.net then I watched the news.
Big fucking news!

Didn't imagine one of the bands mastermind would ever leave the band. I've said LaBrie in the other thread "pull a Kevin Moore" because I thought he might be in danger of the MP non happy with vocals answers but this took me by surprise, most have said correctly if Lars left Metallica it would be same.

MP was a huge part of the band and I understand the burning out. He was apart from LaBrie and Rudess on few occasions the voice to the press of the band, the mentor of b-sides/bootlegs selling of the band. He pushed the band to the maximum and I love songs like The Best of Times and Metropolis.

But hey this is clear I think, probably a amicable split.

To be honest I don't believe the "DT are poor and wanted to make a new album to earn money". There are more these days than CD sales. They are a popular and unique band in the metal world and if they stopped for one year they wouldn't have gasoline for their Ferraris because merchandise sells and cds sell too even in stale years.

JP and company probably love DT more than MP these days and want to carry on. The Band had set up after the end of Prog Nation that 2010 would be a quiet year to write and prepare for the next album. James LaBrie probably could have saved some of his material for if MP had not agreed for that one year hiatus.
Then MP has a reunion with the band to extend the hiatus. If I were in the band I wouldn't agree either. MP hasn't stopped touring and making records with others and enjoying it, the band thought probably that he isn't into it, doesn't like LaBrie vocals and loves more other bands more these days.

Only time will tell who DT picks as a new drummer and how they will make the new album. MP will be in AS, Transatlantic and in other bands, he won't disappear IMO.

Only time will tell now...  probably DT will change and JM and JLB become more into the bands songwriting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 09, 2010, 04:31:46 AM
From Facebook:
Quote
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 04:33:51 AM
I understand the band wanting to continue.  I mean, Mike wanted a hiatus, and the band is on one, and weren't planning to reconvene until January at the earliest anyway.  It's not the band's fault that Mike filled up his schedule with other stuff.

I am confident that DT can find another drummer.  Their biggest adjustment will be how to divvy up all of MP's non-musical responsibilities.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 09, 2010, 04:41:09 AM
The only problem is now I gotta change my avatar...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 09, 2010, 04:42:06 AM
The only problem is now I gotta change my avatar...  :facepalm:

To say what? "15 Minutes and I'm Outtta Here!"?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2010, 04:58:22 AM
I understand the band wanting to continue.  I mean, Mike wanted a hiatus, and the band is on one, and weren't planning to reconvene until January at the earliest anyway.  It's not the band's fault that Mike filled up his schedule with other stuff.

Yeah I somehow get the feeling that he brought this on himself, by doing a lot of side-projects when they were going to take 2010 off. And now that he finally wants to have a break, the other guys feel like they've had their hiatus and wants to continue doing DT music. Or I'm just confused right now. Angry, sad, disappointed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 05:07:40 AM
This is a fucking disaster. Portnoy was with Petrucci the most important member of this band while composing. He has composed wonderful songs.

Now it will never be the same again, that's for sure. And let's see how are they gonna find a drummer to replace MIKE PORTNOY.
Fuck, this is insane. I'm angry. Shit, fucking shit.



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 09, 2010, 05:07:58 AM
This may be a one time event on earth, but DT is kind of famous at the moment. Kind of sad it's because of bad news.

(https://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/DarthHonus29/PortDT.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 05:10:11 AM
From Facebook:
Quote
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 05:11:12 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 05:12:18 AM
From Facebook:
Quote
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.

Yeah, but there are many upset fans who say irrational things right now, so I can fully understand MP's message.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Mladen on September 09, 2010, 05:13:38 AM
I understand the band wanting to continue.  I mean, Mike wanted a hiatus, and the band is on one, and weren't planning to reconvene until January at the earliest anyway.  It's not the band's fault that Mike filled up his schedule with other stuff.
This is actually a really good point.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 05:15:05 AM
From Facebook:
Quote
I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.

Yeah, but there are many upset fans who say irrational things right now, so I can fully understand MP's message.

Well, maybe Mike's decision is not that rational, you know? We'll see in the future, can you assure that he will never regret this decision? That happend with other musicians.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 05:20:01 AM
Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2010, 05:27:40 AM
I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 05:31:21 AM
Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.
Indeed. He may well change his mind or regret the decision, or whatever, further down the line. But it's very clear that he's thought long and hard about this decision and that it is not an impulsive thing at all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 09, 2010, 05:33:35 AM
THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!


I mean..... THEY TOOK OUR DREMMER!


 


But I agree, you can't blame A7X for Portnoy's decision.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2010, 05:33:56 AM
I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.

....What picture are you talking about?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zydar on September 09, 2010, 05:36:08 AM
I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.

....What picture are you talking about?

https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2010, 05:41:46 AM
Yeah, it's funny, but as he's gone on about how much fun he's been having, it was translating to me as a lack of fun in DT. He's mentioned the comraderie of the guys in A7X, while in the past he mentions the chemistry of DT. Reminds me of the story he told back in the FII days where he was at a music fest and all these bands (Pantera,Slayer?) were having so much fun together.


I am very happy to hear that DT will continue. Honestly, that surprises me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 05:45:22 AM
Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.

Ok, so  if he decide to return in the future, then he will be choosing a rational or irrational decision?

Rational can't be "what I think it's better now". That is just a decision you think is better, not rational. Could be another person at your side thinking that is not rational. He has been thinking quite a lot it seems, but that is not enough to say this has been rational imo. That for me is the best decision he has chosen right now, cause his emotions are saying that is the correct. But that doesn't mean it's rational. It is just suitable.

Imagine somebody thinking one year about spending his life with a schizo, and suddenly he say: "well, I have decided to spend all my life with this schizo, cause I have been thinking a lot about it and I think it's the best for me". And one day that schizo decides to shoot that person...

Well, that is rational too, isn't it? Cause that person was reasoning.

You need time to know if a decision was rational or not. You don't need time to know if the decision was the best for my feelings at that time or not. I think all these kind of things could be easy if they decided to think what DT represents, but I understand that it's impossible to fight against your feelings. And MP's feelings right now are all about "bye bye DT".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2010, 05:46:35 AM
I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.

....What picture are you talking about?

https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0

I don't see how that pic could have helped anybody predict the future, but whatever.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 05:55:18 AM
Regretting decisions a few years afterwards doesn't make them irrational. MP had reasons to leave DT, and he thought them through for quite some time. To me, that's quite the opposite of irrational.

Ok, so  if he decide to return in the future, then he will be choosing a rational or irrational decision?

Irrelevant.

Rational can't be "what I think it's better now". That is just a decision you think is better, not rational. Could be another person at your side thinking that is not rational. He has been thinking quite a lot it seems, but that is not enough to say this has been rational imo. That for me is the best decision he has chosen right now, cause his emotions are saying that is the correct. But that doesn't mean it's rational. It is just suitable.

Apparently, you haven't thought about what I said. I didn't say that he made the better decision just because it was suitable. I just said that he didn't act impulsive, that he thought it all through for, as it seems, months, and that he had reasons to come to such a decision. That's the definition of "rational". Whether this decision was better or not is not the question.

Imagine somebody thinking one year about spending his life with a schizo, and suddenly he say: "well, I have decided to spend all my life with this schizo, cause I have been thinking a lot about it and I think it's the best for me". And one day that schizo decides to shoot that person...

Well, that is rational too, isn't it? Cause that person was reasoning.

Love stuff =/= business stuff. You're comparing two completely different things here.

You need time to know if a decision was rational or not. You don't need time to know if the decision was the best for my feelings at that time or not. I think all these kind of things could be easy if they decided to think what DT represents, but I understand that it's impossible to fight against your feelings. And MP's feelings right now are all about "bye bye DT".

The thing is that MP wasn't only guided by his feelings, but by pretty much everything that surrounds him. He set his priorities that way that he wanted a break to spend time with his family after the A7X tour. The rest of DT can't really rely on him financially to take a whole more year off, so that was probably the last straw. It's a solution that is completely rational and understandable.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 09, 2010, 05:55:45 AM
The thing is, even if Mike wants to come back in let's say 3 years, will DT simply pull another Derek Sherinian and fire the current drummer?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2010, 05:56:44 AM
I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.

....What picture are you talking about?

https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0

I don't see how that pic could have helped anybody predict the future, but whatever.

Gad, like I said in my above port, MP's been saying how much FUN he's been having on this tour. When he posted that pic, he mentioned how the A7X guys have this great comraderie and they have been able to get him out og his hotel room.  I think he posted something along those lines when he posted the pic. Reading between the lines, I just knew this was going to affect DT in some way..that's all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 05:57:19 AM
The thing is WTF is gonna happen now? Cause MP was more than just the drummer, and that scares me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 09, 2010, 06:10:27 AM
From Facebook:
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I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold A7X responsible for MY decision...they are just as shocked as you guys..I had been contemplating this and desiring a "break" (not split) as long ago as last year...everything else is fully explained in the press release...thank you all for your support and understanding...this is the hardest thing I've ever done... : (
I'd have thought this was pretty obvious. Anyone blaming A7X is quite frankly being irrational.

I don't blame Avenged Sevenfold. But I will say this much: at the end of the Black Clouds tour it seemed pretty obvious that Portnoy was getting tired. Initially, when it was announced that there'd be no more DT shows for the year after only one headlining tour, many people speculated that it was the entire band getting tired, not just Mike. Now, it turns out that it really was just Mike who needed to slow-down.

Or so it would seem.

Yes, "or so it would seem" because then DT announced the Maiden tour. And then Mike went off to play with A7X. Consciously or not, Mike must have known that he needed to start "testing the waters," that maybe simply touring wasn't getting to him as much as he realized his involvement in the band itself was.  Getting tired with Dream Theater, Mike must have joined up with A7X temporarily, with the conscious or, at least, semi-conscious frame of mind that maybe it was time to start taking all of his eggs out of the same basket.

Mike's a pro and, well, people with careers all do stuff like this at one point or another. We fill out resumes without letting our employers and coworkers know we plan on leaving. Or, on a more personal level, we realize we aren't with the person we thought we loved-- regardless of how much we may have loved them in the past. That's just the way life is. People change/grow/move-on. It's sad when it happens, of course, but fortunately that changes too.

And so I don't blame A7X, just like I don't blame myself for making some of the hard decisions I've had to make lately. Just like I tried really hard not to blame a good friend of mine for breaking up with my another good friend of mine, who's really like a sister to me, recently.

The fact is Mike was going. He wasn't happy. If gigging with A7X didn't work out, he would have just gone somewhere else. It may not have happened now, but it would have happened eventually. And if it didn't happen, Mike's boredom would have shown through on DT's music.

Thankfully, Mike found a good fit for himself, or at least I hope so.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 09, 2010, 06:12:33 AM
Ok... after a few hours of thinking... I have decided on how i feel about this. I know people have probably mentioned things im going to say but w/e


I originally blamed a7x.... (I honestly H8 them.... but i still respect them as a band. no flaming me)... and then i blamed JP, JMX, JR, & JLB. Now idk. Honestly he is... well was the leader of a band that pretty much kept me from going on rampages killing hookers with a spoon (point to who can tell me what that's from...). I was the typical angry confused teen... andi found something that was non comformist that i actually liked. DT. ... *fast forwarding*....  it kinda baffles me that one of the few people in music i look up to would devote his life to something... and then abandon it... because spent his off time being a drum whore (that's my phrase.... Sherinian is a Key Whore... lol) and then  when the rest of the band wants to carry on with the band as planned after the break....


god i thought i was cool and collected enough to do this but nevermind....

what a slap in the F*cking face.


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ? on September 09, 2010, 06:26:13 AM
WHAT THE....?!  :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
I DIDN'T see this coming! I never thought Mike would ever leave DT! This is so sad... Who could replace him?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 09, 2010, 06:27:03 AM
It is almost like a guy, who is in a marriage for a long time, and made a lot of girl friends on the side, just friends, but was having too much fun on the side with them, while the marriage had grown stagnant, especially compared to the new relationships, which is normal since something new is always gonna be exciting.  And when that happens, it is somewhat shocking when the guy up and leaves his wife out of nowhere, but few are surprised when he is in a full blown relationship with one of the girl friends a few months later.  The guy insists he didn't leave his wife for the girl, but it sure looks like he did, whether that is right or wrong.  In this situation, A7X is the girl friend.  And as such, will anyone really be surprised if, in a few months, Portnoy is an official member of their band?

And no, I am not saying Portnoy "cheated" on Dream Theater :lol, but that is the best analogy I could come up with this early in the morning.

Oh, and just like the guy eventually realizes that the new and exciting thing didn't give him the stability and satisfaction of his previous marriage, and longs to return to his wife, I suspect there will come a day where Portnoy looks back and thinks he made a terrible decision.  Just my two cents...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 06:34:11 AM
It is almost like a guy, who is in a marriage for a long time, and made a lot of girl friends on the side, just friends, but was having too much fun on the side with them, while the marriage had grown stagnant, especially compared to the new relationships, which is normal since something new is always gonna be exciting.  And when that happens, it is somewhat shocking when the guy up and leaves his wife out of nowhere, but few are surprised when he is in a full blown relationship with one of the girl friends a few months later.  The guy insists he didn't leave his wife for the girl, but it sure looks like he did, whether that is right or wrong.  In this situation, A7X is the girl friend.  And as such, will anyone really be surprised if, in a few months, Portnoy is an official member of their band?

And no, I am not saying Portnoy "cheated" on Dream Theater :lol, but that is the best analogy I could come up with this early in the morning.

Oh, and just like the guy eventually realizes that the new and exciting thing didn't give him the stability and satisfaction of his previous marriage, and longs to return to his wife, I suspect there will come a day where Portnoy looks back and thinks he made a terrible decision.  Just my two cents...

I agree.
This is not a rational decision, it is that suits his mental state now. He will regret, we all will see.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 09, 2010, 06:38:10 AM
It hasn't really hit me at all. I don't think I can think of DT and not Portnoy, it just doesn't exist. I don't mean like a OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO way but, just because he was so integral.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PixelDream on September 09, 2010, 06:39:24 AM
Ofcourse the only one who knows if he wants to come back eventually, is MP himself. But indeed, I can definately see a reunion coming up in a few years. New energy, new views on making music.. maybe this has potential of turning out for the better.

I definately understand MP's decision, must take a lot of balls to do such a thing. I don't even care why he doesn't really like being in DT anymore, sometimes you just get bored or fed up with something, with no particular reason.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 09, 2010, 06:41:34 AM
Wow... this is out of nowhere to me...  :-\ DT and A7X are my top 2 bands... so I don't know how to feel.

I was looking forward to the next DT release though...

Have any of the other members made an individual statement yet?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 06:41:44 AM
Raziel, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "rational". It is rational because he has spent a lot of time thinking about it and weighing up the pros and cons. Whatever happens in the future has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: XJDenton on September 09, 2010, 06:46:40 AM
Rational =/= correct.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 06:46:46 AM
It hasn't really hit me at all. I don't think I can think of DT and not Portnoy, it just doesn't exist. I don't mean like a OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO way but, just because he was so integral.
This is the case with me as well. Totally surreal and bizarre.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 09, 2010, 06:47:55 AM
I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public?  Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly.  I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is.  It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 09, 2010, 06:48:15 AM
 :lol I mean even when they get a NEW drummer, I'm still going to think Portnoy is still in DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on September 09, 2010, 06:49:13 AM
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
As much as a part of me fairly well agrees with this, you have to remember that in a lot of aspects, MP carried the band. It's likely that it could go very well for them, but things may get much worse than we can imagine. In fact, I seriously suspect that the band is going to find out how much MP really did for the band only as it takes its toll on them, and then they could be done altogether.

Finding this out is kind of like when my parents split up with each other. I had long felt our family needed a good shake-up - my parents hated each other, my dad often treated us all like shit, and had become a financial burden on my mum - so it was most likely going to end as a very good thing, and everyone was going to be happier. But it was still sad news because of the almost inevitable turbulence that lay ahead. And as much as I did still have a family, initially, it felt very much like it was gone.

I rarely listen to DT anymore, so I’m not equating the two events in how much they’ve effected me emotionally. I’m just comparing the situations.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Kotowboy on September 09, 2010, 06:49:27 AM
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I cried while listening to ACOS  :sadpanda:

I agree it's no Octavarium, but it's not that bad !
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 09, 2010, 06:52:30 AM
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.
As much as a part of me fairly well agrees with this, you have to remember that in a lot of aspects, MP carried the band. It's likely that it could go very well for them, but things may get much worse than we can imagine. In fact, I seriously suspect that the band is going to find out how much MP really did for the band only as it takes its toll on them, and then they could be done altogether.

Finding this out is kind of like when my parents split up with each other. I had long felt our family needed a good shake-up - my parents hated each other, my dad often treated us all like shit, and had become a financial burden on my mum - so it was most likely going to end as a very good thing, and everyone was going to be happier. But it was still sad news because of the almost inevitable turbulence that lay ahead. And as much as I did still have a family, initially, it felt very much like it was gone.

I rarely listen to DT anymore, so I’m not equating the two events in how much they’ve effected me emotionally. I’m just comparing the situations.


They've all been there for a long time though. With the solo records, other releases, etc. I think that they'll be just fine. It'll be really weird without Portnoy, no doubt, but we could get amazing things like Jordan's great piano skills, JM' lyrics, etc. It's not like they're completely clueless on what to do.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 09, 2010, 06:54:58 AM
Fuck were never gonna get that 12 steps live performance...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: EstyMaJ on September 09, 2010, 06:59:10 AM
I am still shocked by this but the only thing i have been able to think about is there are a lot of great drummers out there and I can't help but wonder what the next DT album will be like .
I guess what im trying to say is Mike is one of my all time favorite drummers and I am not at all happy about him leaving BUT there are some friggin amazing drummers out there and DT remaining members are ALL great musicians there could be some great NEW stuff coming from DT in the future.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 07:01:56 AM
remaining members are ALL great musicians there could be some great NEW stuff coming from DT in the future.

I hope, I just hope this doesn't mean the end of DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: limnides on September 09, 2010, 07:05:12 AM
Speechless, really.
This is about the last thing I expected to read today.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 07:06:02 AM
I think a lot of this also has to do with MP's personality. Even though he is 40-something, he acts like teenanger when he's with his friends (Or at least, that's the impression I have had thanks to lots of videos we've seen of MP goofing around). A7X are a younger band, and thus they tend to have more "fun". He probably fits better under that scheme...I don't know, even though 1 night has already passed, I'm having a hard time realizing and digesting this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 09, 2010, 07:06:26 AM
I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public?  Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly.  I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is.  It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
I'm trying to work out the timeline myself. Not long enough he was claiming to be going full steam ahead for a bit of Jan 2011 studio time. But apparently this is something that's been eating away for about a year?

So... conflict of personality for a year or so, he becomes a little bit disenchanted over that time but doesn't consider leaving, then he goes on the Transatlantic tour followed by the A7X tour and thinks "I'm with the wrong people?"

That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.

They won't struggle. They're professional musicians. Starting from scratch, now that's tough, but they managed that alright in 1989 and again in 1992 with about 1/10 of the internal cohesion. Drummer leaving? Not nearly as tricky, no matter how crucial he was. Not saying it'll be easy - it won't - but if anyone can cope with their drummer leaving, it'll be a band of four world-class, top notch, ultra-experienced musicians with a fanbase of thousands whose albums are still continuing to chart higher and higher after 25 years. This is the bit where Dream Theater prove their mettle. Heck, this is the bit where they've got something to prove again, and something to strive for. DT11's not just an album, now. It's the album. And I reckon they could knock it out of the park again. I've got every faith in them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on September 09, 2010, 07:06:36 AM
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I cried while listening to ACOS  :sadpanda:

I agree it's no Octavarium, but it's not that bad !
:lol

On a serious note, the news struck me hard. For now, I'll just try to contain the news and leave my personal analysis for the future. I won't deny that I'm quite disappointed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 07:11:01 AM
I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Talon on September 09, 2010, 07:20:16 AM
Rational =/= correct.
That's actually pretty much exactly what it means.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 07:23:39 AM
That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.
One thing that has really come to light with all this is how off-base the assumptions that MP had control of the band were. If that was the case, and the rest really were all passive (as a number of people would insist was the case) this would not have happened the way it did. Which is definitely a good thing, shows that the remaining members still have the drive in them to get on with things!

I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..
I don't doubt there'll be a bit of that, but I don't think it'll be a huge deal. I mean, we cope with people who complain about DT with MP, this'll just be the same but the other way round.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 09, 2010, 07:31:08 AM
I'm guessing The Best Of Times will be put besides Space Dye Vest now...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 09, 2010, 07:31:46 AM
If they're still going to go into the studio in January they should probably be announcing a new drummer in the next month or so... I think
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZKX-2099 on September 09, 2010, 07:32:27 AM
I need Petrucci to hug me with his burly bear arms...  :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 07:33:41 AM
I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public?  Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly.  I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is.  It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
I'm trying to work out the timeline myself. Not long enough he was claiming to be going full steam ahead for a bit of Jan 2011 studio time. But apparently this is something that's been eating away for about a year?

There definitely were signs going back a ways.  I don't think Mike was actually comtemplating leaving, but there were some odd decisions.  Remember, for example, the fact that BCSL was their highest debut ever, and yet they decided not to do a U.S. headlining tour supporting it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2010, 07:36:21 AM
Nope ,SDV now gets played!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Setebos on September 09, 2010, 07:37:24 AM
Just found out about this... Still quite shocked.

Now I regret not having gone to Progressive Nation last year. I wanted to wait for an "An Evening With..." tour to experience Dream Theater live for the first time. But now it looks like I will never see them live, at least not in the way I know and have come to love them. :|

The reason Mike gives for his departure seems a little weird to me, though.
I mean, if you have worked together for 25 years, you think you should be able to finde a way to make it work somehow and not just go different ways. But I guess Mike grew a little apart from the rest of the band and maybe they grew apart of him, too. He did seem to have more fun with his side projects, so I guss his leaving is for the best, although at this point I can't really imagine DT without Portnoy.

I really hope JP, JR, JLB and JMX can work this out, find a worthy successor and keep the dream alive.  :hefdaddy



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 09, 2010, 07:37:29 AM
That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.
One thing that has really come to light with all this is how off-base the assumptions that MP had control of the band were. If that was the case, and the rest really were all passive (as a number of people would insist was the case) this would not have happened the way it did. Which is definitely a good thing, shows that the remaining members still have the drive in them to get on with things!
Aye. I think this concept of MP's complete and unadultered control is one of those things that passed into fanon. MP's input was the only bit anyone really saw from the outside, due to MP being very outgoing, very visible, very public about being obsessive, very outspoken about what "his lot" in the band was. So a lot of people - myself included, although not to quite such an extent as some perhaps - kind of went "Right, this is literally all we ever get to see. Is he basically the only engine?" We only saw more of him 'cause he was a leader, and more outspoken and open than the others. (And WAY more open than KevMo.) I'm very happy that they've gone "We want you, but there's more to the band than just you. Are you coming or going?" That's a very ballsy decision, a very brave decision, and absolutely quashes any doubt that they might not be up to the challenge. They've laid down the gauntlet themselves. Ace.

I say it all the time, but dirty magnifying glass. Some bits get exaggerated, others are obscured completely. We don't realise how ridiculously warped and limited our "insight" is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DreamerTV on September 09, 2010, 07:39:59 AM
Something to notice: in September of 25years ago Dream Theater were formed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 09, 2010, 07:42:28 AM
I wonder when Mike actually made his choice, when he informed the band, and when he made it public?  Since they weren't planning on entering the studio til early next year, I kind of wish Mike would have waited to make this decision if the timeline of events I questioned happened quickly.  I respect his choice, but I just want to know how rash of a decision it really is.  It seems like he made his mind up a while ago, and by formallizing his departure he is allowing the rest of the band to find a new drummer and proceed as planned, which is what I would like to think he did.
I'm trying to work out the timeline myself. Not long enough he was claiming to be going full steam ahead for a bit of Jan 2011 studio time. But apparently this is something that's been eating away for about a year?

There definitely were signs going back a ways.  I don't think Mike was actually comtemplating leaving, but there were some odd decisions.  Remember, for example, the fact that BCSL was their highest debut ever, and yet they decided not to do a U.S. headlining tour supporting it?
That's a very good point.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DreamerTV on September 09, 2010, 07:46:30 AM
Something to notice: in September of 25years ago Dream Theater were formed.

Actually, not DT foundation, but in September 1985 John Petrucci and John Myung met for the first time Portnoy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Moonchild on September 09, 2010, 07:48:55 AM
this will reach 2000 posts in no time.    :yarr
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zantera on September 09, 2010, 07:50:53 AM
So i just found out about this now, and even though i don't listen as much to DT now as i used to, im pretty shocked.
Mike Portnoy = Dream Theater for me, by that i dont mean that he's the whole band, more like that i cant imagine him not being in the band. (if that makes any sense)
It's pretty sad to hear.  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 09, 2010, 07:56:01 AM
Good news: I finally stopped crying.

Edit: but my urge to vomit returned. Damn it.
And we wonder why we have trolls coming on here?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ReaPsTA on September 09, 2010, 07:57:32 AM
That said, I'm very impressed with the rest of 'em for going "Right, well either you do the album with us in Jan 11 or you leave." I figured they were a lot more passive than that. I do think this is the right decision. For Mike and for the band. Especially for the band.

Not the rest of them - Petrucci.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 09, 2010, 08:04:26 AM
I'd like to say that I started my day by listening to ACOS, Wither, then The Count Of Tuscany. These songs have an entirely new set of emotional value to me. To the future, everyone.

The outro of TCOT, fuck man.. it just sounds like it's the ending of an era.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 09, 2010, 08:06:30 AM
Wow, this bothers me, a lot.

I was on Charlie Dominici's official facebook page, and someone had told him about Mike leaving, possibly because of A7X, then Charlie put "I'm sure it was only a part of the picture."

However, then he put "Wait did he leave or get kicked out LOL?"

Then he went on Avenged Sevenfold's page and put "\m/"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 09, 2010, 08:06:48 AM
As much as I hate to say this.... I think this is the end for DT. Regardless how great their next album is, their live show will never be the same. Unfortunately that is where's DT's success is. Personally I really don't have a desire to see the again, it will just seem weird. I can't imagine seeing metropolis, or many other songs without MP at the kit. It just seems wrong. Idk, it's gonna take a while to settle in.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ReaperKK on September 09, 2010, 08:08:31 AM
I'm actually really excited to see and her the new DT. I haven't been this excited for DT in a long time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dream Team on September 09, 2010, 08:12:59 AM
As much as I hate to say this.... I think this is the end for DT. Regardless how great their next album is, their live show will never be the same. Unfortunately that is where's DT's success is. Personally I really don't have a desire to see the again, it will just seem weird. I can't imagine seeing metropolis, or many other songs without MP at the kit. It just seems wrong. Idk, it's gonna take a while to settle in.

I'm very sad and upset about his news, and agree 100% with this post - NO ONE can replace MP live.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 09, 2010, 08:13:59 AM
Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: predator13 on September 09, 2010, 08:15:20 AM
I'd hate to be the drummer that has to learn the DT catalogue.  That would be a challenge to say the least.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 08:17:00 AM
I'd hate to be the drummer that has to learn the DT catalogue.  That would be a challenge to say the least.

I'm sure that there are quite a few drummers who love challenges and who'd love to accept one such as this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ReaperKK on September 09, 2010, 08:22:16 AM
I'd hate to be the drummer that has to learn the DT catalogue.  That would be a challenge to say the least.

I'm sure that there are quite a few drummers who love challenges and who'd love to accept one such as this.

This, also it wouldn't be like he would have to learn the entire catalog in one sitting. It would be something that would come about slowly. I think there are many drummers out there who are up to the challenge and being professionals would probably be able to handle it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 09, 2010, 08:22:43 AM
Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)

im a fan of both bands, but i wouldnt mind demolishing a couple a7x fans at the moment
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: limnides on September 09, 2010, 08:25:01 AM
Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)

Yikes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 08:30:32 AM
Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)

Yikes.

Pemburu Pertamax is a funny troll guy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on September 09, 2010, 08:34:45 AM
Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)

Yikes.

Pemburu Pertamax is a funny troll guy.
Makes me feel embarrassed myself.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 09, 2010, 08:37:15 AM
Reading the 5/8 thread.

I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.

You can't honestly believe it's not a little warranted to poke a little fun at the people who act like their life is over? Especially when they're not doing it here. Some of you guys ARE overreacting a bit, I've seen someone compare it to the day Lennon was shot and someone call it the worst day in music history. It's a drummer leaving a band. Please don't take that, and the people on another board poking fun, so seriously. After all, it is NOT life and death.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 09, 2010, 08:38:22 AM
Lots of great posts in this thread by a lot of people.

@Reap', Rob, and DoC:  :clap:  :uny:

@TOX:  great post as well.  One of the best things I've read on this forum in ages.

@Bacong:  You are within an inch of being banned.  Quit trolling, now.

Bosky, chill it. I wasn't trolling. Spamming, yes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 08:40:52 AM
Reading the 5/8 thread.

I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.

You can't honestly believe it's not a little warranted to poke a little fun at the people who act like their life is over? Especially when they're not doing it here. Some of you guys ARE overreacting a bit, I've seen someone compare it to the day Lennon was shot and someone call it the worst day in music history. It's a drummer leaving a band. Please don't take that, and the people on another board poking fun, so seriously. After all, it is NOT life and death.

And as always, the truth lies somewhere in-between.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: limnides on September 09, 2010, 08:41:33 AM
Man is A7X's Facebook page a mess. It makes me sick about both sides (A7X and DT fans)

Yikes.

Pemburu Pertamax is a funny troll guy.
Makes me feel embarrassed myself.

Aye, hah.  It's a shame.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 09, 2010, 08:43:19 AM
I just read the thread and sorry for the few people who came over and trolled (fuck is a 5/8 member, I'll be talking to him) I was mostly serious in this thread :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 09, 2010, 08:44:15 AM
Reading the 5/8 thread.

I wasn't aware that it redirected to the home of anonymous.

You can't honestly believe it's not a little warranted to poke a little fun at the people who act like their life is over? Especially when they're not doing it here. Some of you guys ARE overreacting a bit, I've seen someone compare it to the day Lennon was shot and someone call it the worst day in music history. It's a drummer leaving a band. Please don't take that, and the people on another board poking fun, so seriously. After all, it is NOT life and death.

And as always, the truth lies somewhere in-between.

Of course, but it's a little dramatic the way some people have been acting. I'm not telling them how to act but a little perspective would never hurt :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 08:49:04 AM
We're definitely on the same page about our attitudes towards the over-dramatic reactions of some fans, although we displayed in different ways. That's where the difference lies - and it's only natural to defend his own way of reacting towards questionable statements. I can't say I really approve of it, but I can see why it was displayed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bacong on September 09, 2010, 08:51:09 AM
I just wanted to lighten things up :(

Bosky, you hurt my feelings saying I was trolling. :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cygnusaz on September 09, 2010, 08:53:14 AM
There is no other way to view this news. It's the worst thing short of someone dying that could have happened to one of the best bands in the world.

I am truly grateful for all the shows I have seen with DT since 1994. I've seen every tour, bought every album on day one.

DT could have gotten away with losing Rudess, even LaBrie. But breaking up the 'Holy Trinity' of JM/JP/MP is not going to work imo, and it's not something I am interested in seeing.

I simply cannot imagine seeing DT without Portnoy behind the skins. Or buying an album without him, in the same way I cannot imagine the band without JP or JM.

This akin to Neil Peart leaving Rush.

I personally will not be buying anything this incarnation of DT puts out, or going to see them play. I am purist when it comes to this band. My hope is that this will end up being temporary or the rest of the band will come to their senses and take the damn break.

I look forward to James Labrie's new solo album and tour, I look forward to seeing Mike in other projects. But he is the SOUL of DT, and I just cannot imagine seeing this band without him.

Thank you DT for 16 great years. Thank God I got to see them this summer with IM. The last song I ever saw DT play with the first song I saw them play back in 1994 - Pull Me Under.

Perhaps that was prophetic, the cycle is complete.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 09, 2010, 08:56:07 AM
This akin to Neil Peart leaving Rush.

No.  It really isn't.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: CrimsonE on September 09, 2010, 08:56:14 AM
This may have been mentioned elsewhere on the thread, but I'm wondering if the IM tour may have contributed to, or at least hastened, MP's departure.  DT wasn't originally scheduled to tour much in 2010, but they had this opportunity that no rational band would pass up.  However, MP wants a break from the band, and instead of a break, they get a summer of touring, and then they're in the studio in January.  

Perhaps this might all be for the best.  Assuming the replacement is as solid of a live player as MP, we might even see the return of the "Evening with" shows, which Portney himself stated he didn't like as much (on the Constant Motion DVD).  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Elsydeon on September 09, 2010, 08:59:53 AM
This may have been mentioned elsewhere on the thread, but I'm wondering if the IM tour may have contributed to, or at least hastened, MP's departure.  DT wasn't originally scheduled to tour much in 2010, but they had this opportunity that no rational band would pass up.  However, MP wants a break from the band, and instead of a break, they get a summer of touring, and then they're in the studio in January.  

Perhaps this might all be for the best.  Assuming the replacement is as solid of a live player as MP, we might even see the return of the "Evening with" shows, which Portney himself stated he didn't like as much (on the Constant Motion DVD).  
Pretty sure MP said they were going to return to the evening with format on the next tour
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 09:05:18 AM
I just wanted to lighten things up :(

Bosky, you hurt my feelings saying I was trolling. :(

Okay, understood.  But the way I read a few of your posts, it wasn't appreciated, so please tone down things that are obviously going to be sensitive to a lot of users here.  This is, after all, a DT forum.  That means that whether you or I or anyone else personally feels people are overreacting, this of all places is going to have a large group of people who do take this news very hard, so please be a bit more understanding.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 09:08:35 AM
I have a huge feeling that they will recruit JLB drummer. I also think Mike leaving is no more than an over-dramatized hiatus.

A hiatus just for Mike. I hope so anyway...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Logical Nightmare on September 09, 2010, 09:12:11 AM
I got a text from my friend in the beginning of today's biology lesson saying this. It completely ruined my day.

Who is going to be the interesting one in the band now? When I saw them live at Progressive Nation, and the sound died multiple times, he saved it all, and he did it so smoothly. The sound for the drums and his mic still worked, so he was the only one who could have done anything, but I honestly can't imagine anyone else doing it. Not nearly as good anyway.

I'm sorry to say it, but it feels like Dream Theater now will become... a fair bit boring. Not completely uninteresting, but they'll be like a pizza with no toppings - still good, but could be better.

I am sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lordxizor on September 09, 2010, 09:17:40 AM
Sad news for sure, but I think this is an opportunity for both MP and DT to become more creative. I think a hiatus would have been good for DT, but I understand why that wouldn't really be finacially possible for most of the members. I'm curoius to see how the next album shakes out. I haven't been huge on the last few, so to me there's really no where to go but up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 09:18:52 AM
I completely disagree that MP is the only one with much presence on stage, JR and JLB both have a ton of character up there. Plus, we don't know who the new drummer will be yet.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ? on September 09, 2010, 09:20:28 AM
I'm wondering, what will happen to Ytse Jam Records? There won't probably be new releases now that MP is gone.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: the-glass-prison on September 09, 2010, 09:30:08 AM
As much as I hate to say this.... I think this is the end for DT. Regardless how great their next album is, their live show will never be the same. Unfortunately that is where's DT's success is. Personally I really don't have a desire to see the again, it will just seem weird. I can't imagine seeing metropolis, or many other songs without MP at the kit. It just seems wrong. Idk, it's gonna take a while to settle in.

I'm very sad and upset about his news, and agree 100% with this post - NO ONE can replace MP live.

100% agreed by me. I can't see how DT can perform with a stranger behind the kit. I was all set to save up and get tickets for every evening with UK date. Now, I honestly don't see me attending any of them. I think DT could lose a hell of a lot of their fanbase over this. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: BRGM on September 09, 2010, 09:31:12 AM
Oh My god, what the heck did I just read... :O DT Without MP...I wonder what it will end up like : /
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 09:31:30 AM
Roadrunner just posted a DT comment about Mike leaving and then their website crashed. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Logical Nightmare on September 09, 2010, 09:32:26 AM
I completely disagree that MP is the only one with much presence on stage, JR and JLB both have a ton of character up there. Plus, we don't know who the new drummer will be yet.
JP, yeah, sure, but he doesn't show it much. JLB, maybe, but he doesn't seem to want to show it too much.

Maybe those two will begin taking more space now. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: EPICVIEW on September 09, 2010, 09:35:47 AM
wow.. can't say im 100% shocked, and the timing was sorta ironic.

wishing Mike the best and hoping the band can keep going forward with quality music ithout him, Im sure they can find a fine drummer to do Mikes part, the writing part going forward will be interesting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
I haven't read through the whole thread..I will..but when I saw the pic of MP golfing and saying how the A7X guys actrually were getting him to leave his hotel room, I knew things would not be the same in DT.

....What picture are you talking about?

https://twitpic.com/2gdzo0

I don't see how that pic could have helped anybody predict the future, but whatever.

Gad, like I said in my above port, MP's been saying how much FUN he's been having on this tour. When he posted that pic, he mentioned how the A7X guys have this great comraderie and they have been able to get him out og his hotel room.  I think he posted something along those lines when he posted the pic. Reading between the lines, I just knew this was going to affect DT in some way..that's all.

Ah ok. I see where you're coming from. I wasn't trying to be snippy; sorry if I came off that way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Volk9 on September 09, 2010, 09:43:32 AM
From Wikipedia:

Quote
Michael Stephen Portnoy (born April 20, 1967) is an American drummer primarily known as the former drummer and backing vocalist for the progressive metal band Dream Theater.

Its just really weird reading that...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2010, 09:44:35 AM
What's more weird is seeing his name spelled out in full as Michael. :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE on September 09, 2010, 09:47:33 AM

This akin to Neil Peart leaving Rush.

Neil did leave the band once. After his daughter and wife died. The whole band has said they most likely wouldn't play together every again. And now look what happened. Granted, this is for a completely different reason but I wouldn't be surprised if Mike gets an itching to come back and play with his band. I think he shouldn't have specified that he was leaving, but more of an extended hiatus for an indefinite amount of time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Marvellous G on September 09, 2010, 09:55:05 AM
Only just found out. As Goon said on Page 1, I don't know why I'm so sad about this as I barely listen to them anymore. But damn, it's really affecting me.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 09, 2010, 09:55:34 AM
Peart did not leave the band.  The whole band was on an extended hiatus.  If you are gonna say that Peart left the band, the they all left the band, as they never knew if they would play together again or not.  In other words, Lee and Lifeson NEVER would have gotten a new drummer and went ahead as Rush without Neil Peart.

 I think he shouldn't have specified that he was leaving, but more of an extended hiatus for an indefinite amount of time.

That would be unfair to the rest of the band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Orbert on September 09, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
Exactly.  Neil needed a break, so Rush took a break.

In this case, Mike needed a break, but the rest of Dream Theater did not want to take a break.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
Exactly.  Neil needed a break, so Rush took a break.

In this case, Mike needed a break, but the rest of Dream Theater did not want to take a break.

True, and considering the boys in Rush have a good 10-15 years on DT, and had way more touring under their belts at the time of Neil's tragedies than what DT has now, they could AFFORD the break. It just so happens that DT really can't right now, considering the economy and the fact that the rest of the band has been on a break since July.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Marvellous G on September 09, 2010, 10:14:18 AM
This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 09, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?
No.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 10:17:12 AM
I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: BRGM on September 09, 2010, 10:17:30 AM
Me neither
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 09, 2010, 10:19:02 AM
This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?

Nah, I think it was just his usual patting himself on the back and letting us all know that he did everything for the band. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 10:19:30 AM
A couple of honest criticisms in retrospect:

1. Why are people blaming the rest of the band for Mike's decision? It was Mike who chose to NEVER TAKE A BREAK. While DT winded down, he committed to tons of other bands and projects; it's his fault that he got burnt out, and nobody should have expected DT to cater to him wanting a break.

2. I think it's a little selfish that Mike would have broken up the band if the others had left. I wonder if that factor has ever kept past members from leaving: because they didn't want to be solely responsible for Mike ending the band. Now that he's gone, and they're still together, I realize that Mike was being a little selfish in that regard.

Still...very excited.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 10:31:21 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see people mentioning one of Opeth's old drummers, and James LaBrie's drummer. What are the other possible options?

One of my Facebook friends said Joey Jordison... and I know he is involved with Murderdolls (and probably other stuff I'm not aware of), but in all honestly, skill-wise, I think he'd be a worthy replacement. Plus, he's filled in for tons of bands for one-nighters. Yes he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's not really good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 09, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
Joey's personality would not jive with the other DT members at all. Mike's replacement can't just be technically skilled; he'll also have to be someone they can gel with offstage. I just don't see Joey fitting in in that respect.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 09, 2010, 10:43:11 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see people mentioning one of Opeth's old drummers, and James LaBrie's drummer. What are the other possible options?

One of my Facebook friends said Joey Jordison... and I know he is involved with Murderdolls (and probably other stuff I'm not aware of), but in all honestly, skill-wise, I think he'd be a worthy replacement. Plus, he's filled in for tons of bands for one-nighters. Yes he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's not really good.
You should have read the whole thread.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 10:48:05 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but I did see people mentioning one of Opeth's old drummers, and James LaBrie's drummer. What are the other possible options?

One of my Facebook friends said Joey Jordison... and I know he is involved with Murderdolls (and probably other stuff I'm not aware of), but in all honestly, skill-wise, I think he'd be a worthy replacement. Plus, he's filled in for tons of bands for one-nighters. Yes he's overrated, but that doesn't mean he's not really good.
You should have read the whole thread.
:umno:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: aurorablind on September 09, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Got the news at work today. A friend texted me with the news and i offcourse couldn't believe him. Reading the statement on mp.com left me absolutely heartbroken. I can't believe this! It's Mike for crying out loud!!

I can't really be mad, because Mike did so much for the band and the fans, but i don't feel sorry for him either. I understand him wanting a break after the INSANE schedule he made for himself this year, but it's completely his own fault, and the rest of the guys shouldn't be forced to sit and wait for him..

I don't really know what to make of this at all.. DT has been one of my favorite bands for the last 10 years, and it's the band i've followed most intensely. For all those years this was the lineup, and it will be pretty damn weird to see it change.

I've managed to come up with some positive things that may happen because of this, but it still feels weird like hell:
- New member and perhaps an outside producer, and no standout-band leader means a more fresh starting point for a new album.
- Maybe some of the old "writing-rules" will disappear, so it'll be easier for JlB and JM to come up with or bring in lyrics, ideas and maybe complete songs. Im definitely seeing the band becoming more of a unit when it comes to writing, instead of JP/JR + MP arranging.
- Mike made every setlist, decided every album-cover and had much to say in the making of dvd's etc. It will be very interesting to see how the band will deal with all this. This can become both positive or negative, off course.
- Now JP is the only main lyricist, maybe we'll see some JR-lyrics?
- I have a distinct feeling that without MP the next album will be much less "metuuul" than SC and BCaSL, something i would be interested in.

Even though, i would much rather have MP in the band, but there's a lot of interesting things this can evolve into.
Still:  :(

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 10:52:50 AM
Just quoting a post from JLB forum - in case some people haven't seen it. I msut say - I agree with some elements...
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With all due respect, I think the burnout that MP talks about, he brought it to himself. He was in FULL DT mode all the time. Why not delegate? I am deeply saddened by MP's departure, but all the side projects and all the commitments that MP brought to himself? If this was MP's baby, he should of prioritize or participate only in one or two projects and focus on Dream Theater. The band was (is) set to return to the studio in Jan 2011 but with Avengefold's tour in Europe early next year, I really think the band couldn't wait to get in DT mode. DT is also the other guys' priorities and that's what making them continue in Dream Theater. I am not attacking MP (we owe him tons of DT stuff), but I understand the other guys' side as well. Also, as I said earlier, DT is on top with its commercial success. I'm pretty sure the IM tour was very successful in getting new fans (and many). Why stop there?

Definitely agree with the first sentence.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 09, 2010, 11:06:59 AM
I am still in shock. Got the news a couple of hours ago but haven't been able to post until now.

I concur with what lots of people are saying and, whilst I am obviously sad about MP's departure, I can't help but sympathise with the others and not him.

I don't see why the guy thinks that he can expect everyone else in the band to do things based on his schedule and what he wants to do. I mean I respect how important to DT Mike has been and I will always be a huge fan of his BUT taking on numerous side projects and then telling the other guys that he wants to take a break when they've all been pretty much on a break for the last few months or so and are now ready to get back to DT is pretty out of order.

I've also felt that, I am sure inadvertently, MP has at times been responsible for making others in the band feel less confident than they should (especially JLB). He has consistently dominated the band's process of writing, recording and touring and I feel has undoubtedly stifled other members (apart from probably JP and maybe JR) because of this.

Furthermore MP has, as far as I am aware, been the main driving force of the band in a more 'metal' direction and personally I would like DT to go back down the more 'prog' route again.

Despite all this though I have to confess I am sad to see him go and hope that one day he will return to the band. I wish him the best of luck in his future musical endeavours and am relieved that DT will carry on.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: In The Name Of Rudess on September 09, 2010, 11:10:48 AM
This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?

It did come across that way to me. I found the tone of his statement quite denigrating and immature. It kind of hurts me to see the statement by Portnoy followed by Rudess's message saying Portnoy was an "incredible talented drummer and supportive friend". Certainly displays the difference in character between them.

Or maybe I'm just interpreting MP's message all wrong.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 11:13:28 AM
Mike and Jordan aren't following each other on twitter. To my knowledge, I am sure they were. Something is just not right here.

I don't believe we are getting the full story.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 11:15:57 AM
I don't believe we are getting the full story.

:lol  Of course we're not.  That goes without saying.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TJPNET on September 09, 2010, 11:17:19 AM
This isn't a Mike bash, but did it seem to anybody else that he was wording his statement to be as damning to the remaining DT members as possible?

It did come across that way to me. I found the tone of his statement quite denigrating and immature. It kind of hurts me to see the statement by Portnoy followed by Rudess's message saying Portnoy was an "incredible talented drummer and supportive friend". Certainly displays the difference in character between them.

Or maybe I'm just interpreting MP's message all wrong.

I don't know if damning is exactly how I would put it, but there was definitely something there. Everyone has to do what is best for themselves, and I guess that what's happened here. I'll miss Mike, but he isn't the sole reason that I like Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 09, 2010, 11:18:40 AM
Cheeky question...

In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 11:20:09 AM
Well you understood where I was coming from!

I personally think MP asked the guys if he could see through 2011 with Avenged and delay the new album. They said no. Mike couldn't accept that and was given an ultimatum, so he left.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LudwigVan on September 09, 2010, 11:20:18 AM
Would MP even be allowed to design the setlists?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gorille85 on September 09, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
Cheeky question...

In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?
I think he'll have no choice to do so. You can't just return and pretend that nothing interesting happened during your absence.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 11:21:13 AM
Cheeky question...

In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?

Mike is a fan's fan.  I think he definitely would include those songs.  Yes, he has excluded certain songs, but only where he has a specific reason for doing so.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 11:21:50 AM
Cheeky question...

In the slightly contrived scenario that Mike Portnoy were to return, say, seven years down the line, and resume all his previous duties (including setlists), do you reckon he'd put songs from the non-MP period onto the setlists?

I don't see why not. Yes has done it many times over, even though Steve Howe doesn't always enjoy playing Trevor Rabin's parts, but as that band has gone through dozens of roster changes, there's always music from every part of their band's history they're willing to play, even after Jon Anderson left, it opened up the door to play music from their album Drama.

So I don't see why not... Mike might feel a bit odd about it, but I'm sure if the other guys want to play any post-MP songs, they'll do it with him. Especially if something becomes a "hit", either with fans or even in the mainstream.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TL on September 09, 2010, 11:22:15 AM
I just realized something;
The final official Dream Theater release with Mike on drums was Raw Dog.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LudwigVan on September 09, 2010, 11:22:24 AM
Jon Anderson pretended that the Drama album never happened when he returned to Yes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 11:23:17 AM
 :rollin :rollin

Read the DT last.fm page. (the shoutbox)
https://www.last.fm/music/Dream+Theater
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 09, 2010, 11:25:38 AM
Jon Anderson pretended that the Drama album never happened when he returned to Yes.

And it's a great album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?


In this part:
 
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we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us. [7quote]
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 11:31:49 AM
Not sure if this has been stated yet but...

Drummer Mike Portnoy says that his current involvement with AVENGED SEVENFOLD had nothing to do with his decision to quit DREAM THEATER, the band he formed and led for 25 years. "I BEG of the fans to please NOT hold [AVENGED SEVENFOLD] responsible for MY decision... They are just as shocked as you guys," Mike writes on his Facebook page. He adds, "I had been contemplating this and desiring a 'break' (not split) [from DREAM THEATER] as long ago as last year. Everything else is fully explained in the press release" that Mike issued yesterday announcing his split from DREAM THEATER. Portnoy continues, "Thank you all for your support and understanding... This is the hardest thing I've ever done."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dream Team on September 09, 2010, 11:32:43 AM
You know, I had a feeling that this ridiculous A7X gig would have undesired consequences . . . if he had decided to take time off like the rest of the band after the Maiden tour, he probably wouldn't be feeling "burned out". Oh well, maybe the guys will be forced to get super-creative and will release a great record. As long as JP is in the mix, I remain confident in them. Looking forward to JLB hopefully writing his own vocal melodies.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Talon on September 09, 2010, 11:33:05 AM
People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?


In this part:
 
Quote
we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.

Well it'd be hard for them to lie there
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 11:33:28 AM
People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?


In this part:
 
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we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.

I'm not sure what you mean.  I'm sure it is sincere.  I think they have every intention of going into the studio in January and putting out a new album.  But I have no idea whether there is any agreement on whether or not the band is committed to staying together in the long term or not.  After fullfilling their contractual obligation with Roadrunner for one more album, I wouldn't be surprised by either them throwing in the towel or getting another contract together for more albums.  I think it's just way too early to tell.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 11:37:18 AM
People, do you see the band's statement like if it was written with desesperation, or do you feel it is solid? I mean, do you think they really feel and believe in what they are saying?


In this part:
 
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we can assure you that Dream Theater will continue to move forward with the same intensity -- and in the same musical tradition -- that you have all helped make so successful, and which is truly gratifying to us.

I'm not sure what you mean.  I'm sure it is sincere.  I think they have every intention of going into the studio in January and putting out a new album.  But I have no idea whether there is any agreement on whether or not the band is committed to staying together in the long term or not.  After fullfilling their contractual obligation with Roadrunner for one more album, I wouldn't be surprised by either them throwing in the towel or getting another contract together for more albums.  I think it's just way too early to tell.

What I meant is exactly the last part of your response. I'm afraid. I don't want to see that statement just with the business pov. I hope they are saying that because they want to continue as a band, for the music and because they have a lot to say, not because "we have to say this cause we have a contract".

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cygnusaz on September 09, 2010, 11:39:23 AM
DT may never bring Mike back. While my first response was anger/sadness/etc... I am now in 'acceptance' mode and reconsidering my harsh approach.

It's going to be a new era, Mike will be missed, but there is a possibility DT will continue their success and grow even bigger.

Plenty of bands have lost 'key' members and continued on to bigger success or at least kept the same level: AC/DC, Van Halen, Alice in Chains to name a few.

It's not the 'end of the world' for DT, but its a huge change and they better NAIL the first album without Mike or they will be toast.

I know Mike said not to blame A7X, but come on, the lure of those paychecks must be pretty appealing. If he writes on their next album, he stands to make a bundle as well.

It's the end of an era, no doubt about that. Very, very few bands thrive or even survive at the level they were at without a key member. If any band can do it - it's DT.

We all know what will happen most likely; both Mike and DT will stumble around for a few years and then Mike will come back and it will be a huge resurgence for the band.  

Anyway, let's give the other guys a chance with album 11, we own them that much at least.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 11:46:11 AM
I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans. I supose they knew all this about MP in these past months and this is not new for them, so I hope they were thinking about DT without MP since some weeks ago.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 11:49:40 AM
I don't like how Mike want us to show Avenged respect.

Especially, when the father of one of their members blurts out saying "it looks like Mike has left DT and is joining A7X full-time."

Found that very disrespectful.

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Brian Haner - I guess Mike is out of DT and staying with A7X. Tough decision. Wow. Great news for A7X fans. In my opinion, he is simply the only man on the planet who could take the Rev's place, (at least from a technical perspective - which begs the question, who does DT get to replace Mike???). Alas, not so great news for DT fans ...who will no doubt blame A7X.
After spending a week on the bus with the guys, I'm not surprised. He is now family. And family is what you need after suffering tragedy. God bless you, Mike!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 11:51:56 AM
I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.

No they don't.  And if they're smart, they won't.  They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line.  They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy.  That's really all anyone can ask.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 11:52:57 AM
I don't like how Mike want us to show Avenged respect.

Especially, when the father of one of their members blurts out saying "it looks like Mike has left DT and is joining A7X full-time."

Found that very disrespectful.

Quote
Brian Haner - I guess Mike is out of DT and staying with A7X. Tough decision. Wow. Great news for A7X fans. In my opinion, he is simply the only man on the planet who could take the Rev's place, (at least from a technical perspective - which begs the question, who does DT get to replace Mike???). Alas, not so great news for DT fans ...who will no doubt blame A7X.
After spending a week on the bus with the guys, I'm not surprised. He is now family. And family is what you need after suffering tragedy. God bless you, Mike!

??? How on earth is that disrespectful?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 11:53:55 AM
But now everybody is gonna say stupid things without knowing, that's why I said it's better to explain a little more their plans.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 11:54:07 AM
I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.

No they don't.  And if they're smart, they won't.  They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line.  They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy.  That's really all anyone can ask.

I agree with this. I do, however, hope that they say something about the new drummer. A simple "We have somebody / We don't have somebody" would suffice. A "We have a few people to ask / We will hold auditions" would also be good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 11:56:22 AM
I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.

No they don't.  And if they're smart, they won't.  They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line.  They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy.  That's really all anyone can ask.

I agree with this. I do, however, hope that they say something about the new drummer. A simple "We have somebody / We don't have somebody" would suffice. A "We have a few people to ask / We will hold auditions" would also be good.

This. At least something, you know. If not, it's gonna be a fucking circle of rumours.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LadyEars on September 09, 2010, 11:56:48 AM
OMFG just when I thought this day couldn't get any worse... I come home to find this?!?

There are no words to describe the sick, sinking feeling in my stomach and in my heart. I'm going to go cry now. Seriously. This can't be happening. WTF???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 11:59:50 AM
To me, it is someone jumping the gun. Did Mike say he was joining Avenged? No. Is it inevitable? Kind of. But still you don't say stuff like that less than 24 hours after Mike left Dream Theater. This may sound like me spitting my dummy out, but it is not a respectful comment to say.

I wouldn't dump a girl I was going out with for a long time, to get involved with a girl I had known for a few months, the next day.

It is just like...Woah! Let it settle before you make allegations.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 11:59:57 AM
I don't have any inside knowledge on the situation, but I am pretty sure they have no idea right now who is going to fill in.  They may not know that for quite some time.  In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they ended up having someone sit in as a session drummer in January that isn't ultimately made a permanent member.  The drummer spot is a lot more critical in DT than your average metal band, and it'll probably take a while to find the right fit.  They've got to get somebody with the chops to play DT's stuff, which isn't easy, and who is a good singer.  Not to mention, I'm sure they'll want the right chemistry.  Granted, they may already have someone in mind.  But it wouldn't surprise me if it takes quite a while.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: rumborak on September 09, 2010, 12:01:36 PM
I think the band should make an statement soon, a good one. They have to explain their plans.

No they don't.  And if they're smart, they won't.  They can't possibly know what their long-term plans are on any concrete level, so it would be quite dumb for them to try to be more specific only to have the information change at some point down the line.  They've said exactly what they needed to say, and said it in a classy way that shows care and concern for (1) the band, (2) the fans, and (3) Mike Portnoy.  That's really all anyone can ask.

I agree with this. I do, however, hope that they say something about the new drummer. A simple "We have somebody / We don't have somebody" would suffice. A "We have a few people to ask / We will hold auditions" would also be good.

Honestly, I think the auditions will be after the writing stage, i.e. after JP+JR wrote all songs together (I'm sure JR can whip some drum tracks together). So, don't expect to hear anything until early next year.

rumborak
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 12:03:15 PM
That's what I'm saying though: It would be nice if they at least told us if they DEFINITELY had somebody in mind, or if they DIDN'T DEFINITELY have someone in mind. It's the kind of information that would be nice to know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 09, 2010, 12:06:00 PM
It is actually his own fault. He decided to do all the other projects plus tour while the rest of the guys were taking a break.

I wish him the best of luck and a great R&R that he long needed. next time don't over do it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 09, 2010, 12:07:01 PM
I don't have any inside knowledge on the situation, but I am pretty sure they have no idea right now who is going to fill in.  They may not know that for quite some time.  In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they ended up having someone sit in as a session drummer in January that isn't ultimately made a permanent member.  The drummer spot is a lot more critical in DT than your average metal band, and it'll probably take a while to find the right fit.  They've got to get somebody with the chops to play DT's stuff, which isn't easy, and who is a good singer.  Not to mention, I'm sure they'll want the right chemistry.  Granted, they may already have someone in mind.  But it wouldn't surprise me if it takes quite a while.

I don't think it would hurt to look into getting a new drummer permanently and a background vocalist for touring.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 09, 2010, 12:08:17 PM
That's what I'm saying though: It would be nice if they at least told us if they DEFINITELY had somebody in mind, or if they DIDN'T DEFINITELY have someone in mind. It's the kind of information that would be nice to know.

Give them some time
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Octavawake on September 09, 2010, 12:08:54 PM
This is EXACTLY what I was freaking out about when he started playing/recording with A7X.

This is a terrible day for the music industry.

This. Nothing less than this.

Playing with A7X was NEVER a good idea.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 12:10:32 PM
This is EXACTLY what I was freaking out about when he started playing/recording with A7X.

This is a terrible day for the music industry.

This. Nothing less than this.

Playing with A7X was NEVER a good idea.

True, but the problem was that he felt the necessity of playing with that band too. That was the problem.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Octavawake on September 09, 2010, 12:31:18 PM

It's not the 'end of the world' for DT, but its a huge change and they better NAIL the first album without Mike or they will be toast.


True. They have to get off to a good start. Think about it this way . . . we're now technically awaiting a new Images & Words.

This could be spectacular o_O
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zook on September 09, 2010, 12:34:19 PM
I've never been so down about a band. I'm honestly depressed...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LadyEars on September 09, 2010, 12:35:45 PM
I've never been so down about a band. I'm honestly depressed...

You're certainly not alone.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Scard on September 09, 2010, 12:37:35 PM
In a recent interview, Portnoy seemed annoyed with James or his vocals. Does anyone remember this interview? I can't find it, but I remember it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 09, 2010, 12:45:55 PM
All I know is the next pressing of Lifting Shadows should be quite a read.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 09, 2010, 12:46:29 PM
In a recent interview, Portnoy seemed annoyed with James or his vocals. Does anyone remember this interview? I can't find it, but I remember it.

I vaguely remember something like this. Has MP ever considered that people might perform better if he gets off their back about things?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE3 on September 09, 2010, 12:51:14 PM
it's also one of the worst songs conceived.

You have to love MP's solo in the song, I would love to see that live. It is one of his best.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 12:52:00 PM
All I know is the next pressing of Lifting Shadows should be quite a read.

....





:caffeine:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 09, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would be easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 12:59:12 PM
Pretty solid post there dubla. Sounds very logical and could actually happen. I can just see John Petrucci going - "what the fuck have we come to? We worked our asses off for 25 years to end on a sour note."

Wishful thinking, maybe, maybe not.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: moffatt on September 09, 2010, 01:01:41 PM
I'm 100% sure there has to be more to his decisions on leaving. It really doesn't make sense as the reasons he talks about were created from the decisions he made. I still don't know what to make about the whole thing. I do look forward to the new DT though, but at the same time DT will never be the same without MP. Only thing we can do now is wait.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on September 09, 2010, 01:02:17 PM
Oh. Holy. Shit.

I was browsing the comments about this on Fark just now and someone made the following post, to which I LITERALLY lol'd:

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Is he going to get a stage name now, like the rest of the A7X guys?

Because that would make their liner notes ridiculous:

M. Dragonslayer - Vocals
Zippie Evilpants - Guitar
Syntax Darkness - Lead Guitar
Johnny HocusPocus - Bass
Mark Portnoy - Drums
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 01:03:16 PM
I hope it's just Mark Portnoy :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 09, 2010, 01:18:24 PM
Newsweek chimes in and gets it wrong. (https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater-for-avenged-sevenfold-1.2274103)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 09, 2010, 01:20:37 PM
Newsweek chimes in and gets it wrong. (https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater-for-avenged-sevenfold-1.2274103)

James007 chimes in and gets his source wrong.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 09, 2010, 01:21:46 PM
Newsweek chimes in and gets it wrong. (https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/backstage-pass-1.811987/mike-portnoy-leaves-dream-theater-for-avenged-sevenfold-1.2274103)

James007 chimes in and gets his source wrong.
Dammit!  LOL!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lonestar on September 09, 2010, 01:37:35 PM
WTF

This is a pretty shitty birthday present.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 01:38:50 PM
Sorry your birthdays were ruined, Hef and Lonestar.

So wait, do we actually have official confirmation that Mike left and is drumming with A7X permanently, or just for a European tour that goes past January 2011 or what?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 01:39:23 PM
Nothing about A7X.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE3 on September 09, 2010, 01:40:56 PM
The worst part about MP leaving is that Raw Dog was the last DT song with him on it.


lolol

True, that song left a lot to be disired.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 01:45:59 PM
Nothing about A7X.

I didn't think so.  Just a lot of bloggers/"news sources" talking about how he's joining A7X and I didn't see any official sources saying that.  Just making sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 09, 2010, 01:47:11 PM
Not only is this a pivotal day in the history of Dream Theater, but also, I think, it's a pivotal day in the history of this forum. Never before have I seen it so active in terms of new topics, speculation and hopes/fears for the future. It has been a truly interesting experience coming here today and reading fans' opinions of this seismic event.

I really do hope everything turns out well in DT World. Let's keep the dream alive!  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE3 on September 09, 2010, 01:56:21 PM
Jordan's twitter posts seem rather positive. The band is planning to start the new album in January.

Good to hear.  Honestly, I think we all know that Petrucci and Rudess have been the main creative forces for years already (with Portnoy being more like a conductor, saying, "Let's do a heavy song here," or, "Let's do an epic song here"),  so, while the drumming will be different, regardless of who it comes from, musically they should be fine.  I like where they went on BC&SL, and no more Portnoy probably means no more attempt at certain kinds of metal (which is fine with me), not to mention no more Portnoy vocals, so color me excited about the band's future.  

Portnoy will be missed, but I think his personality had almost taken over the band a bit too much, and the others probably feel a bit liberated now, being able to now continue on with the band without him ruling over them with his iron fist (which I mean in a nice way).  Ya know? :)

Not true dude, Mike and John have been the main creative writing team, especially since 6DOIT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 01:58:11 PM
Quote
I cried while listening to ACOS  :sadpanda:

I agree it's no Octavarium, but it's not that bad !

ACOS is amazing. I personally rank it higher than 8varium.



lol I'm so pathetic and depressed right now. I can't seem to suck it up and move on like the lot of you. I can't imagine how things are going to work. :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 09, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
these are the numbers from MP's forum right now

There are 80 members and 44829 guests.



Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: asira624 on September 09, 2010, 02:07:06 PM
What the fucking fuck!?!?

When is dream theater's funeral? id like to pay my respects
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 09, 2010, 02:08:23 PM
these are the numbers from MP's forum right now

There are 80 members and 44829 guests.





"Most users ever online was 977687 at Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:18 PM"

Somehow I don't think that's accurate.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 02:10:14 PM
What the fucking fuck!?!?

When is dream theater's funeral? id like to pay my respects

What's up Chris? Finally decided to post?  :loser:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pyroph on September 09, 2010, 02:10:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 02:12:04 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.


You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 02:12:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"
Wow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 09, 2010, 02:13:20 PM
Now that my thoughts have been rationalized, I'm better with it. I was in a complete depression last night as MP is one of my biggest idols as a drummer but it's out of our hands and all we can hope for is he comes back or we at least get a great album from the guys.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 09, 2010, 02:13:29 PM
MP just tweeted this

https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 02:14:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"

I really love this man.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 09, 2010, 02:15:29 PM
Than you Jordan, thank you. THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 09, 2010, 02:16:16 PM
MP just tweeted this

https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html

anybody checking that out? is MP saying something through that guy?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 02:16:35 PM
Oh my god. JR is so fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 02:19:08 PM
Who needs drums when you have Jordans wonderful piece. That will probably end up on the album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: asira624 on September 09, 2010, 02:20:19 PM
yeah lol. im in econ now... still cant believe it
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 02:22:41 PM
Who needs drums when you have Jordans wonderful piece. That will probably end up on the album.

Would be epic.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 02:24:27 PM
yeah lol. im in econ now... still cant believe it
I'm kind of hopeful for the future though. Mike was king of holding them back in a way, so I'm looking forward to what Petrucci can do (since he is the only primary songwriter left). Also, I hop Myung can write more because everything he does is  :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 09, 2010, 02:26:16 PM
MP just tweeted this

https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html

anybody checking that out? is MP saying something through that guy?

I have the uneasy feeling that this whole thing could turn very ugly... I'm reminded of Pink Floyd. Roger Waters left just figuring the band would dissolve, but when they actually carried on he couldn't stand it and things went so poorly from there. I hope that doesn't happen here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 09, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
MP just tweeted this

https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html

anybody checking that out? is MP saying something through that guy?
Maybe I'm just being picky, maybe I'm not seeing straight seeing as it's all still new news... but does posting that link on his twitter come across as slightly bad form to anyone else?

"Check this out, this guy reckons the band I just left will flounder and says how I'm all important 'n' shiz - how cool is that!?"

I'm certain it's not the reason he posted it. He was probably just psyched to see people saying nice things about him. But it comes across a little bit schadenfreudy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 09, 2010, 02:26:58 PM
Than you Jordan, thank you. THANK YOU.
.

 :hefdaddy

EDIT: I don't know, Rob. You may be giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he's fully aware of how perceptions work..
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: asira624 on September 09, 2010, 02:28:00 PM
yeah but he was responsible for the whole band. he had to be the leader, manager, accountant, whatever. he did it all and it burnt him out
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
yeah but he was responsible for the whole band. he had to be the leader, manager, accountant, whatever. he did it all and it burnt him out
I'm sure they will be alright. They just need a new "frontman" to step up and be the leader of the band in the same way Mike was. Maybe Petrucci?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 02:30:43 PM
Vlasto's watching us  :omg:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 02:35:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"
such a classy act...Thanks, Jordan  :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: moffatt on September 09, 2010, 02:37:21 PM
Question remains....

will MP change his twitter account?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Vlasto on September 09, 2010, 02:38:35 PM
Vlasto's watching us  :omg:

yes, but this is definetely NOT a happy vlasto day !.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 02:39:08 PM
Vlasto's watching us  :omg:

yes, but this is definetely NOT a happy vlasto day !.
:(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 02:39:14 PM
I'd rather see JLB step up as the frontman.  I enjoy reading JLB interviews a lot more than Mike interviews.

And that JR piece was great!  Hopefully we see more of that stuff in the new DT.  Not as much overplaying from him either.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 02:40:58 PM
I'd actually rather see JLB as the frontman too, but at this point he doesn't really contribute much to the band in terms of songwriting, so I can't really see that happening. Petrucci seems more likely to step up, imo.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 09, 2010, 02:46:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"
:D :smiley: :-\ :( :'( ;D

In that order.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 02:48:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"
:D :smiley: :-\ :( :'( ;D

In that order.
I'd add a  :( with that last chord he plays. I had never heard something like that coming from Jordan before, you can tell he is really sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 09, 2010, 02:49:22 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.


You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.

You don't know that for sure.  Nobody does, and that was the reason for my post.  Time changes a lot of things that can't be predicted by anyone.  That's why I mentioned the time frame out to 12 months because nobody knows what will happen or how things may change.  Only time can sort this out and a lot of people are getting up in arms prematurely.  This is not a time to get pissed off because we don't know how this will pan out in the coming months.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: guysullavin on September 09, 2010, 02:50:58 PM
I can see JLB stepping up in terms of Media & talking about DT, but Petrucci in songwriting. Most of my Favorite songs are by Petrucci anyways.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: muffley_mirkin on September 09, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
Terrible news.

MP's tweets over the last few weeks have mentioned DT now and then. One the other day was about him having a tatoo being done on a tour bus at 3.30am and that "this would never happen in DT". Maybe he wants to experience music and the all that comes with it with a new outlook.

Hopefully some Transatlantic soon (without a 10 year gap) but does this also mean the end of any Liquid Tension Experiment.

As others have said maybe they all need a break from each other and get it together again down the road.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 03:01:43 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.


You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.

You don't know that for sure.

And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Mladen on September 09, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.
Well, if Avenged Sevenfold was capable of doing that, why do you think a professional band like Dream Theater wouldn't be able to pull it off? That's an option I'd for one like to see the most - the band starting to work on the new album in January with a new drummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"
This was wonderful, but the last chord sent chills down my spine. I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean. I'd still like to read some words from Petrucci, though... JMX will most likely remain silent about this, I wonder if they even told him that Mike left the band.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 03:05:14 PM
I wonder if they even told him that Mike left the band.  :lol
If this is the case, then Dream Theater has more serious problems than just Portnoy leaving...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 03:05:46 PM
JMX is still in his cave. Practicing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 09, 2010, 03:06:01 PM
I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
:splodetard:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on September 09, 2010, 03:07:57 PM
I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 03:08:35 PM
I really enjoyed that piece by JR and somehow can imagine it getting a full-band treatment. Would be cool.

I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.

:puke:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Get Eric Singer
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 03:09:34 PM
Listening to Scenes right now.  I love how musical his parts are.  I'm really going to miss him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 09, 2010, 03:09:50 PM
Two words: Martin. Lopez.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
Two other words: Highly. Unlikely.

For clarification: I can see him having the playing abilities, but apparently, his anxiety issues would be a serious problem when it comes to touring. I don't think that DT would take that risk.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: the-glass-prison on September 09, 2010, 03:11:28 PM
I've now had 13 hours to try and digest what has happened and it's still stuck in my throat. MP has made his decision. Nothing lasts forever and all good things must come to an end. Basically we can either like it or lump it. As much as i know he will regret it for the rest of his life it is his choice. In my opinion something more has happened behind the scenes that we will probably never get to know about. Right now, i cant think of any other drummer who could offer DT the passion and commitment that mike has given the fans and the band over the last 25 years. As for MP coming back, I think he would need to change his mind pretty damn quickly. I hope he does. Mike, all the very best.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 03:12:47 PM
Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 03:13:31 PM
Everybody seems to think there's an ulterior motive. That isn't out of the question, but why is that a necessity? This could very well go exactly as he said it did.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 03:14:05 PM
Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 09, 2010, 03:14:19 PM
I wonder what Jimmie Nicol is doing?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 03:14:52 PM
Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
As I am

As am I
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Hampster69 on September 09, 2010, 03:15:44 PM
I'm sad. Being a fan for 14 or so years, i just can't picture them without MP, but I do have to say that I listen to earlier songs more than last few albums and if this had to be done (Mike leaving) for them to return to their roots (and JM starts writing songs again!!!) this is a good thing.

just read on wiki: Mike and his wife Marlene (née Apuzzo) are currently living in suburban Philadelphia with their children, Melody Ruthandrea and Max John. Marlene used to be a guitarist in the all-female band Meanstreak, and two of the other members, guitarist Rena Sands and bassist Lisa Martens, are married to Dream Theater guitarist John Petrucci and bassist John Myung, respectively.


And I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that Mike & JP got a abit wasted after all the talk and Mike said: "but if I ever wanna come back John,..."  :heart

call me weird but I still see doors open to Mike come back one day if band keeps going on!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
As I am

As am I
Nuggetz?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MetalManiac666 on September 09, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
I...don't know what to feel about this.  I just don't see DT being the same ever again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI

Jordan "speaks"

Stunning.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 03:16:58 PM
Mike, I'd sooner take my life away than live with losing you.
Are you stalking my last.fm? I'm listening that song right now...
As I am

As am I
Nuggetz?
Chicken nuggetz. Yum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on September 09, 2010, 03:17:14 PM
I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.

:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: guysullavin on September 09, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
My biggest grudge isn't the fact that he left, its that there's a huge possibility that he WILL join Avenged Sevenfold.

Dont get me up, I cry into my pillow because he left, but I'm more scared of the fact that he may join what will probably be the next Metallica and ruin his reputation in my books.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 03:19:09 PM
I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.

:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.

Their next album is going to be Wrath Town, then?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.

:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.

Maybe they can make a documentary about it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
I propose that for the next DT album, Bob Rock plays the drums while they look for a new drummer.

:puke:
They could also hire a therapist so they can let out their anger on the next album in healthy ways. Try to sonically and lyrically show how they feel. I'm sure it'll be a hit.

Maybe they can make a documentary about it?
I think they should just have the new drummer scream "FUUUUUUUUUUUCK" into a microphone, and make him record the next album with no snares on.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on September 09, 2010, 03:24:08 PM
You saw it here first: DT's next album Wrath Town will be the next St Anger.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 03:25:02 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cygnusaz on September 09, 2010, 03:25:07 PM
Terrible news.

MP's tweets over the last few weeks have mentioned DT now and then. One the other day was about him having a tatoo being done on a tour bus at 3.30am and that "this would never happen in DT". Maybe he wants to experience music and the all that comes with it with a new outlook.

Mike leaving DT can be very easily summed based on that experience;

Mid-life Crisis.

Simple as that. He is playing with younger guys, partying probably, seeing what a popular American band pulls in money wise, seeing the groupies (which DT doesn't get).  Heck I'm 42, if someone offered me a new job hanging with a bunch of 20 somethings, more money, and tons of groupies it might be fun for awhile.

I mean a 40-something father getting a tattoo on a tour bus at 3:30am? Come on, that's just pathetic.

DT never experienced the bombastic, groupie filled world that most rock bands enjoy. All married young, kids, and a mostly male crowd until recently.

Someday Mike is going to look back at this decision and see it for what it really is about. Psychoanalyze his statement, this is a mid-life crisis - no doubt in my mind.

If it really was about time off, he could have worked it out with the band. Or stated he will record, but sit the tour out. Honestly a compromise could have been reached.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 03:26:05 PM
I don't know why you guys think he'll join A7X. He says is his letter that he has more fun playing side projects, it would be very surprising if he joined another full time band.

Pretty weird, I had my iTunes on shuffle and it played two drumless DT songs. :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 03:26:25 PM
I just thought of something - we're never going to get an official live release of the last DT tour with Mike Portnoy... ever.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 09, 2010, 03:28:50 PM
You know what's strange? This is the possibly biggest blow in the band's entire 25 year history. And we're all here to witness it first hand. And strangely, most of us are remaining optimistic and have no intentions to abandon the band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
You know what's strange? This is the possibly biggest blow in the band's entire 25 year history. And we're all here to witness it first hand. And strangely, most of us are remaining optimistic and have no intentions to abandon the band.
No way man. I can't listen to a band this much then just up and leave. I'll definitely be anticipating the next release.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 03:30:31 PM
"What would you say if I walked away?"

Well Mike, I hope we have all answered your question.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 2Timer on September 09, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
It sounds to me like "Mike leaves DT" is only half-accurate. He does make it sound like it was mutual...or almost mutual.
He did want a break, they didn't want to give him one, so this is the outcome. Styx did the same thing with Dennis DeYoung; Journey did the same thing with Steve Perry. Everyone thought that would be the end of them, but they're still doing their respective things.
It does feel like a relationship in my life has ended, though. I guess I should have done the meet and greet last year when I wanted to.
Very sad news.
By the way, when exactly did this happen? I haven't been on much and I just read it on myspace 5 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 09, 2010, 03:30:44 PM
im optimistic because JP is still there. i dont know what i would do if he left
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 03:31:23 PM
Mike's last interview

https://vimeo.com/14827294
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Arch Benemy on September 09, 2010, 03:41:10 PM
So I heard this news this morning, and have been digesting it at work all day. Was a pretty shitty day of work, which didn't help. My first thoughts were actually pretty positive, as I too am interested to see where this will take DT for future records. The lack of 'balls' will definately be a good thing. Then as the day grew on I realised I'm really going to miss MP. DT are the band that got me into prog rock and really into complex music in general, and his drumming was a big part of that initial love affair. Then to see the article he linked to on his FB page, about how DT has lost it's 'heart,' made me feel really disappointed in him. I'll still follow what he does now and in the future, but I hope it all doesn't decend into a nasty slagging match between him and the other members of DT, as i don't think many fans would take his side.

I'll definately be wearing a DT shirt when I see Sevenfold next month
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 03:54:22 PM
Some interesting things over on MP's forum

According some users there, the last three posts by the user Rainee are actually JP's wife. Not sure if it's true, but if they are... very interesting indeed.

https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
If that is her...

In the words of the famous Joker.

Here. We. Go.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 09, 2010, 03:56:38 PM
Some interesting things over on MP's forum

According some users there, the last three posts by the user Rainee are actually JP's wife. Not sure if it's true, but if they are... very interesting indeed.

https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5)
Yeah, that's definitely Rena. She's been a poster on there for a while. Like, years. She reported when JP's grandma died.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 03:57:32 PM
Did she just say that MP only wrote New Millennium?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
God damn. This is making me sad.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 03:57:49 PM
Than I definately think there was an argument, and not sure if anyone else felt it, Rena isn't liking MP too much anymore
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 09, 2010, 04:02:22 PM
I don't know how smart pointing out how little contribution to FII Mike had is. I mean, that album is always regarded as the stinker in the discography. Are we supposed to get excited that we may get something more in that vain? :lol

That being said, I have total confidence that the next record will be good. More contributions from Myung and LaBrie are hopefully in order, and there's the always talented team of the bear and the wizard. I'm really excited to see where they take it. I wouldn't be apposed to commercial appeal. I guess I wonder if the metal will be taken down a notch. They've made it seem that John is just as responsible for that direction as Mike (as far as his riffing style goes). I hope they keep it heavy, but maybe take stab at more concise songs and work with a producer.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 09, 2010, 04:03:00 PM
Some interesting things over on MP's forum

According some users there, the last three posts by the user Rainee are actually JP's wife. Not sure if it's true, but if they are... very interesting indeed.

https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=5)

Very interesting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 04:03:36 PM
Claws are out.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chrisbDTM on September 09, 2010, 04:04:06 PM
yes, that is his wife.

gonna get ugly
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
I hate this. Not MP leaving the band, the subsequent mess that's following.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 04:06:15 PM
I just don't want it to come down to me choosing sides. Although, I think I already have my mind made up if it were to happen
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 04:06:27 PM
Ruh roh.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 09, 2010, 04:06:43 PM
Well, now we know what it was like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 09, 2010, 04:08:16 PM
This is making me lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 04:08:43 PM
Your mom makes me lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Cool Chris on September 09, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Well, now we know what it was like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd.

At least so far there doesn't seem to be any fight brewing over the use of the 'Dream Theater' name.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 04:09:19 PM
I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: the-glass-prison on September 09, 2010, 04:10:23 PM
Well, now we know what it was like when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd.

At least so far there doesn't seem to be any fight brewing over the use of the 'Dream Theater' name.

lol.....yet!! If things get nasty (which i'm sure they won't) then who knows what could happen with regards to the name.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: toro on September 09, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
Things are getting just a little bit scary...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ZBomber on September 09, 2010, 04:12:00 PM
Your mom makes me lol

YEAH WELL


YOUR MOM





lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 04:12:06 PM
I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 09, 2010, 04:13:07 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.


You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.

You don't know that for sure.

And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.

I never said I knew anything for sure.  You did.  Let's leave it at that.   :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 09, 2010, 04:13:37 PM
All of this attempted interpretation of tweets/statements/dissonant piano chords is a sign of frustration over the uncertainty of the future. It's only been 24 hours since the news broke; maybe we oughta wait a couple weeks/months before we determine that there is a fallout between MP and the rest of DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 04:14:02 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.


You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.

You don't know that for sure.

And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.

I never said I knew anything for sure.  You did.  Let's leave it at that.   :p

Nope, you definitely did. I bolded what you were stating as fact.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: the-glass-prison on September 09, 2010, 04:15:39 PM
no point in arguing amongst ourselves. It's starting to get a bit ridiculous now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Marvellous G on September 09, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
I just don't want it to come down to me choosing sides. Although, I think I already have my mind made up if it were to happen

Out of curiousity, who'd you pick?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 04:19:43 PM
I'm with DT. I know you didn't ask but I'm saying it anyway. You?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wkiml on September 09, 2010, 04:21:07 PM
All of this attempted interpretation of tweets/statements/dissonant piano chords is a sign of frustration over the uncertainty of the future. It's only been 24 hours since the news broke; maybe we oughta wait a couple weeks/months before we determine that there is a fallout between MP and the rest of DT.

Welcome to DTF where everything said/done by the band and its members get over-analyzed to the point of nausea
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 09, 2010, 04:22:22 PM
I am Team DT too! A single person is not bigger than a band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Marvellous G on September 09, 2010, 04:22:46 PM
I'm with DT. I know you didn't ask but I'm saying it anyway. You?

DT, and based on current developments, definitely DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ben_Jamin on September 09, 2010, 04:25:54 PM
I think it'll still be heavy considering JLB and Myung like heavy stuff. It's a shock, but it was for the better. He could've stayed but DT most likely Would've been over if he did. that's what i get from his letter
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 09, 2010, 04:26:48 PM
There is enough room in the world (and on your iPods) for both DT and whatever projects MP embarks on. Dream Theater is not just Portnoy's drums; it's Petrucci's guitar, Rudess' (and if you go further back, Sherinian's and Moore's) keyboard, Myung's bass, and LaBrie's vocals. Just because their drummer has left doesn't mean the whole DT sound has gone forever.

So I'm sticking with DT and Portnoy. I'll admit I'm not that big on A7X, but I love Transatlantic and hope they'll bring out more material in the future.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Cool Chris on September 09, 2010, 04:27:48 PM
A single person is not bigger than a band.

What about Luciano Pavarotti?






:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Edan the Man on September 09, 2010, 04:28:26 PM
I had to come out of lurking for this news, quite shocking indeed. I was a bit upset at first, but I'm definitely looking forward to DT's music in the future now (not that I have anything against MP, but it's sure to be something different).

And I'll always stick with DT. Agreed with RoeDent though, there's room for both.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 04:28:53 PM
I'm with DT. I know you didn't ask but I'm saying it anyway. You?
I'm DT.

MP, even before this, was getting just too annoying for me and his 180 in personality (I always felt he became different during SC and BC&SL, and his overall metal attitude, was not something I was into.)

He's living his dream right now of being a true rockstar, and I'm happy for him. However, I feel that DT has their mindset balanced. Right now, I don't feel like MP is in the right mindset. Just like your thread 73109, MP's in his midlife crisis.

Sorry if this post is moderatable or you guys don't agree with it. I just feel like this right now
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Marvellous G on September 09, 2010, 04:29:27 PM
A single person is not bigger than a band.

What about Luciano Pavarotti?






:neverusethis:

BWAHAHAHA, ten points to you sir  :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
Team DT vs. Team Portnoy

Hopefully its more interesting than Team Edward vs. Team Jacob or whatever the hell their names are.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 09, 2010, 04:32:24 PM
Team DT vs. Team Portnoy

Hopefully its more interesting than Team Edward vs. Team Jacob or whatever the hell their names are.

I hope you know this from the Burger King commercial. :laugh:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 04:33:05 PM
Yeah, I don't.

???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 04:36:32 PM
I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: pogoowner on September 09, 2010, 04:37:22 PM
I'm on Team Coco.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 04:39:02 PM
I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 09, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?

Maybe him leaving DT is, in some way, part of his grieving process. He also recently lost his dog, Bongo. You never completely get over losses like that.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 04:40:42 PM
I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 04:41:44 PM
I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.

Yeah, what does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 04:41:59 PM
Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Edan the Man on September 09, 2010, 04:42:09 PM
Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on

No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SystematicThought on September 09, 2010, 04:42:31 PM
I know it may seem mean and unwarranted, but if Mr. Howard Portnoy was still alive, how do you think he would have reacted to his son leaving his first TRUE band? Do you think it would have happened at all?
I just think he'd let his son do what the fuck he wants to do.
True. I just was thinking how cool it was how close they were and how open they were with each other. I was just thinking it would be interesting to imagine the two talking about leaving DT and how they would discuss with each other.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 04:43:17 PM
Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on

No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.

Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...

"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 09, 2010, 04:45:52 PM
Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on

No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.

Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...

"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."

-Marc.



Sounds like the next instalment of The Chronicles Of Narnia :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 09, 2010, 04:46:56 PM
And I really hope this forum doesn't descend into a DT v MP debate/battle. It's a Dream Theater forum, the focus should stay on DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: toro on September 09, 2010, 04:49:27 PM
Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on

No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.

Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...

"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."

-Marc.
And this ninja dude says...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 04:51:09 PM
Team DT still has this:
(https://www.superficialgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/Grizzly-Bear-Roaring.jpg)
Bring it on

No but really, I hope it doesn't seriously turn into a DT vs. MP sort of thing :|. By that I mean I hope DT and MP themselves don't bring it to that, it goes without question the fans will.

Indeed - They still have a bear, a wizard, and a pirate. Sounds like a good joke...

"A wizard, a pirate and a bear walk into a bar..."

-Marc.
And this ninja dude says...

"                                          "

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 09, 2010, 04:53:01 PM
I just hope their friendships remain intact or strengthen. Being best friends for 25 years and for it to end over him leaving the band would be terrible.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: CoF-Carl on September 09, 2010, 05:04:04 PM
This is a sad day.. Mike Portnoy leaving? Wow, I can't wrap my head around that.. I ended up spending the day making a tribute-video with myself playing "Best Of Times". Would love it if some of you would check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fXQzLVP8x4
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AlienWebguy on September 09, 2010, 05:05:30 PM
Hey I'm Sean. I'm the guy with the huge DT logo tattooed on my back (https://www.myspace.com/dreamtheater/photos/30554725). This news of MP leaving is devastating to me. I depend on DT to keep me sane. The thought of MP staying permanent in A7X is like pouring salt on my wounds.

Anyway, I created a Facebook group for us to mourn and petition for MP to come back: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124638157587159

The website ComeBackMikePortnoy.com will be coming soon. Maybe if 100,000 fans let him know that we will NOT be supporting him on A7X and that he's being short sighted and not thinking clearly, maybe just maybe he'll go back to DT. Wishful thinking at best, I suppose, but knowing him and his obsession with PR and marketing, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is a giant PR stunt which will end with a DT/A7X tour where he announces his return.

Please join the group. I'm not trying to steal members off this board by any means so please keep discussions here. I was just hoping we could all say a few words to MP on the FB page.

Peace~
--S--
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 05:07:03 PM
Yeah...no.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 09, 2010, 05:09:29 PM
Yeah...no.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Fuzzboy on September 09, 2010, 05:10:14 PM
Yeah...no.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: limnides on September 09, 2010, 05:10:41 PM
Yeah...no.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: changing_seasons on September 09, 2010, 05:13:23 PM
I hate changes.

But please don't petition anything. That is just wrong. We don't own Mike Portnoy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: yorost on September 09, 2010, 05:14:05 PM
I'm sad he's leaving, but I'm not going to try and convince him to stay active with Dream Theater if he doesn't want to.  We can't force him to want to be where we might be happier.  It's his and the remaining band members lives, not ours.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
Hey I'm Sean. I'm the guy with the huge DT logo tattooed on my back (https://www.myspace.com/dreamtheater/photos/30554725). This news of MP leaving is devastating to me. I depend on DT to keep me sane. The thought of MP staying permanent in A7X is like pouring salt on my wounds.

Anyway, I created a Facebook group for us to mourn and petition for MP to come back: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124638157587159

The website ComeBackMikePortnoy.com will be coming soon. Maybe if 100,000 fans let him know that we will NOT be supporting him on A7X and that he's being short sighted and not thinking clearly, maybe just maybe he'll go back to DT. Wishful thinking at best, I suppose, but knowing him and his obsession with PR and marketing, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is a giant PR stunt which will end with a DT/A7X tour where he announces his return.

Please join the group. I'm not trying to steal members off this board by any means so please keep discussions here. I was just hoping we could all say a few words to MP on the FB page.

Peace~
--S--


Good thoughts, but not worth pursuing, sorry.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Yeah...no.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AlienWebguy on September 09, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: veronica on September 09, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Hey, stop with the quote pyramids already (*takes off wannabe-mod hat* :lol )


Yeah...no. And also, oh, you're the guy with the big-ass tattoo! You're semi famous for that, but you probably knew that. About your "pr stunt" theory.. I don't know what to say. You really think they'd do that? M-hmm... Cause doing something like that wouldn't taint their reputation at all. These are grown up people we're talking about, not 17 year olds playing in daddys garage.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bmc on September 09, 2010, 05:18:06 PM
yes, MP leaving the band is a bummer. but people need to stop acting like he died or something, im sure he will still be as busy or even busier than he ever was.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 05:18:54 PM
I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Or maybe, like almost everyone who is a fan of DT, she is upset and getting emotional. Seems a much more explanation than "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A FIGHT OMG".

The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 05:20:19 PM
Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.
I have no words to explain the randomness of this post.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: feehan on September 09, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
at least he finished the 12 steps

this sucks big time but will be interesting to see what they make next (both parties)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 05:21:45 PM
Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.

Your plan is obviously coming from the best intentions.  But IMO, it's a very bad idea and is a bit insulting to MP.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AlienWebguy on September 09, 2010, 05:25:49 PM
This isn't just any other band. MP isn't just any other drummer. I don't think some of you are grasping how huge of a deal this is. There are less than a handful of drummers who have the creative and technical mastery that MP has, and there are even fewer bands who play off each other's creativity SO well. I'm preaching to the choir here, but guys, come on. DT has a story, a history. 3 kids from Berklee started the most technically amazing band around and created a legacy of 25 years of music that can't be touched by ANY of the shit that "makes money" or "sells out stadiums". This is affecting me more than when Mike Baker died. I mean, sure it'll be way cool if DT finds a drummer with similar talent and creativity, but in my mind I can't replace MP.

I think the hardest part of this is that MP would rather play for fans who have no clue what they are even listening to.

Anyway whatever. I need to get drunk or something. This day fucking sucks. All your hasty optimism is making me depressed and ashamed.

Peace~
--S--
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 05:27:19 PM
Wow...this guy made a petition. I better get back with DT.

Not gonna happen bro. Sorry. Cool tat.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 05:27:35 PM
I think he may just be regretting that huge tattoo on his back.

/troll
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 05:27:45 PM
Bye Webguy.  We'll miss you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 05:28:43 PM
Sorry that's not how it works. If you're gonna be a professional musician, you do what the fans want. Obviously the A7X fans are giving him more love than we are.

Your plan is obviously coming from the best intentions.  But IMO, it's a very bad idea and is a bit insulting to MP.  
Wrong quote ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 05:29:06 PM
Dude, it's OK. Life moves on. Portnoy will move on, and so will Dream Theater. The band means a lot to all of us, but let's be rational here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 05:30:35 PM
Did he just get the :bosk1:

edit: I fail
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 05:31:46 PM
Why would he have been banned?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 73109 on September 09, 2010, 05:32:35 PM
My bad, someone just said good bye and I couldn't find him in the members part of the forum. My bad. I got him now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 09, 2010, 05:32:49 PM
This isn't just any other band. MP isn't just any other drummer. I don't think some of you are grasping how huge of a deal this is. There are less than a handful of drummers who have the creative and technical mastery that MP has, and there are even fewer bands who play off each other's creativity SO well. I'm preaching to the choir here, but guys, come on. DT has a story, a history. 3 kids from Berklee started the most technically amazing band around and created a legacy of 25 years of music that can't be touched by ANY of the shit that "makes money" or "sells out stadiums". This is affecting me more than when Mike Baker died. I mean, sure it'll be way cool if DT finds a drummer with similar talent and creativity, but in my mind I can't replace MP.

I think the hardest part of this is that MP would rather play for fans who have no clue what they are even listening to.

Anyway whatever. I need to get drunk or something. This day fucking sucks. All your hasty optimism is making me depressed and ashamed.

Peace~
--S--

Ashamed? Because we're happy DT are carrying on and respect MP's decision?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Shadow2222 on September 09, 2010, 05:33:16 PM
I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Or maybe, like almost everyone who is a fan of DT, she is upset and getting emotional. Seems a much more explanation than "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A FIGHT OMG".

The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.

I think the average fan assumes she understands the whole situation because she is a band member's wife, but I don't think she knows anything that we don't.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: j on September 09, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.

This.  The minimal amount of information we have has been extrapolated into a shitload of wild assumptions and ridiculous speculations.  Now let me add mine.

Based on what little I can gather, this may not have been a bitter schism, but it seems like it wasn't completely amicable either, even if the drama is already being exaggerated.  Obviously, there's more at play than Portnoy just not feeling fulfilled in DT or whatever, and there's probably something to the "mid-life crisis" theory IMO.  I'd like to hear what each of the guys has to say about it, preferably not in the form of canned, carefully engineered PR statements.

Other people have already stated most of my thoughts on this better than I can.  I'm disappointed in Portnoy's departure (and uncertain of its permanence) and simultaneously looking forward to what DT will do next.  I didn't always agree with him, but I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't want him to do what he thinks will make him happy.

-J
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 05:38:31 PM
The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.

This.  The minimal amount of information we have has been extrapolated into a shitload of wild assumptions and ridiculous speculations.  Now let me add mine.

Based on what little I can gather, this may not have been a bitter schism, but it seems like it wasn't completely amicable either, even if the drama is already being exaggerated.  Obviously, there's more at play than Portnoy just not feeling fulfilled in DT or whatever, and there's probably something to the "mid-life crisis" theory IMO.  I'd like to hear what each of the guys has to say about it, preferably not in the form of canned, carefully engineered PR statements.

Other people have already stated most of my thoughts on this better than I can.  I'm disappointed in Portnoy's departure (and uncertain of its permanence) and simultaneously looking forward to what DT will do next.  I didn't always agree with him, but I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't want him to do what he thinks will make him happy.

-J
This.

People should stop bullshiting with their speculations. All we know is that Mike wanted a break and not the band, so he decided to call it quit. That's it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AlienWebguy on September 09, 2010, 05:43:03 PM
just wanted to come back and apologize for being a crabby bitch. all round shitty day, didn't mean to take it out on my fellow prog nerds.

peace~
--S--
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 09, 2010, 05:43:40 PM
This will all blow over once the dust settles.  MP will finish his tour with A7X.  He’ll do some soul searching during the Holidays with his family.  He’ll realize that the dedication to his DT fans was his passion and to turn around and abandon them just isn’t the right thing to do for himself, his fellow DT members, and most of all the dedicated fans that helped them achieve the status that we’ve all come to know and appreciate over the years.

On a similar note, the remaining members will also come to the realization that they’ve been down this road before, several times.  Maybe not the exact circumstances, but similar crossroads nonetheless.  I’m not sure that DT can find an adequate replacement for MP in time to start recording in Jan-11.  It’s simply just not enough time.  Remember, it took 18 months for them to find the right singer in LaBrie.  I don’t think finding a replacement drummer would easier by any means.  I believe all members (including MP) will let the rest of 2010 play itself out and re-evaluate the situation in the New Year.

I firmly believe that one of two scenarios will take place next year.  1) MP will be back in the studio with DT in Jan-11 as he realizes that DT is closer to his heart than anything else could possibly be.  2) DT will only be in hiatus for 6 months or possibly most of next year working on material in the meantime.  Either way, MP will eventually end up back with DT within the next 12 months.  We all know that DT has taken short breaks before.  Maybe they need a longer break this time and it definitely couldn’t hurt.
Honestly, I don’t see them getting another drummer and running straight into the studio in January.  It’s too soon.

Quite frankly, none of this really makes too much sense right now.  Some decisions were probably made too quickly and in the heat of argument.  In time, things will settle down and everyone will get the break they need and come back together when the time is right.


You're going to be pretty pissed when January 2011 comes around. Portnoy is gone, and he's not coming back.

You don't know that for sure.

And neither do you. Let's leave it at that.

I never said I knew anything for sure.  You did.  Let's leave it at that.   :p

Nope, you definitely did. I bolded what you were stating as fact.

No, that was my opinion.  I never stated it as fact.  You saying that MP is gone and he's never coming back was a definitive statement.  Understand the difference?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
I don't understand this "claws coming out" that people are referring to about his wife's post. What's so hostile about it?
To me, it sounds like Rena is upset with MP and is showing her true feelings about MP getting credit
Or maybe, like almost everyone who is a fan of DT, she is upset and getting emotional. Seems a much more explanation than "THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A FIGHT OMG".

The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.

I think the average fan assumes she understands the whole situation because she is a band member's wife, but I don't think she knows anything that we don't.

Uh, what?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 05:50:18 PM
just wanted to come back and apologize for being a crabby bitch. all round shitty day, didn't mean to take it out on my fellow prog nerds.

peace~
--S--

No problem.  I don't think anyone took it that way.  Again, I may not agree with your plan, but it is obviously coming from a good place in your crabby bitch heart.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 05:55:01 PM
The amount of ignorance throughout this thread is actually a little irritating.

This.  The minimal amount of information we have has been extrapolated into a shitload of wild assumptions and ridiculous speculations.  Now let me add mine.

Based on what little I can gather, this may not have been a bitter schism, but it seems like it wasn't completely amicable either, even if the drama is already being exaggerated.  Obviously, there's more at play than Portnoy just not feeling fulfilled in DT or whatever, and there's probably something to the "mid-life crisis" theory IMO.  I'd like to hear what each of the guys has to say about it, preferably not in the form of canned, carefully engineered PR statements.

Other people have already stated most of my thoughts on this better than I can.  I'm disappointed in Portnoy's departure (and uncertain of its permanence) and simultaneously looking forward to what DT will do next.  I didn't always agree with him, but I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't want him to do what he thinks will make him happy.

-J
As I said in one of the numerous other threads, the reason this has come about is because MP couldn't come to an agreement with the other guys over how to proceed. He wanted a break, they weren't happy with that. OF COURSE there is going to be a bit of upset and bitterness on either side, but that doesn't mean there is any anger, resentment or falling out going on. Let's just take things at face value instead of turning every sentence we read into some political drama nonsense.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ainamotore on September 09, 2010, 05:55:14 PM
Quote
People should stop bullshiting with their speculations. All we know is that Mike wanted a break and not the band, so he decided to call it quit. That's it.

Yes but to trade DT for this? Same dance different partners. Only these partners are dancing the Funky Chicken compared with the precision ballet of Dream Theater.

Mike left the best prog rock band in the world for THIS? I've tried to listen to this band, but I'd rather walk on glass. Plus wut's up with the names?

In other news... A7F has announced that the artist formerly known as Mike Portnoy is no longer. He will now be referred to simply as M. Nightfright.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 09, 2010, 05:56:20 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
LOL if that were true I'd...I don't even know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: abrahamclark on September 09, 2010, 05:57:46 PM
I share the same feelings as most of you.  My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere.  It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.

My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band.  I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway.  They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album.  I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.

Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of.  Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 09, 2010, 05:58:57 PM
A several year break? No way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 05:59:30 PM
Quote
People should stop bullshiting with their speculations. All we know is that Mike wanted a break and not the band, so he decided to call it quit. That's it.

Yes but to trade DT for this? Same dance different partners. Only these partners are dancing the Funky Chicken compared with the precision ballet of Dream Theater.

Mike left the best prog rock band in the world for THIS? I've tried to listen to this band, but I'd rather walk on glass. Plus wut's up with the names?

In other news... A7F has announced that the artist formerly known as Mike Portnoy is no longer. He will now be referred to simply as M. Nightfright.

Where did you see that MP will join A7X? Let me tell you, he wanted to take a break, so he'll take a break to plan his next projects. Then he'll play with numerous bands because, like he said in the letter, that's what makes him happy. That's it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 06:00:36 PM
He will now be referred to simply as M. Nightfright.


wat
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 06:01:49 PM
I share the same feelings as most of you.  My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere.  It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.

My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band.  I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway.  They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album.  I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.

Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of.  Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.


Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: icysk8r on September 09, 2010, 06:02:23 PM
Hey, stop with the quote pyramids already (*takes off wannabe-mod hat* :lol
(https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs145.ash2/40585_117982638254530_100001283838809_122665_7643408_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 06:03:25 PM
The intranets hath spoken, aye
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MetalManiac666 on September 09, 2010, 06:12:03 PM
Well, this has caused me to do the DT full discog listen that I've been putting off for a while now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: abrahamclark on September 09, 2010, 06:13:02 PM
I share the same feelings as most of you.  My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere.  It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.

My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band.  I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway.  They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album.  I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.

Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of.  Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.


Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.

Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break.  They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table.  Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Deinonych on September 09, 2010, 06:13:28 PM
I don't know why you guys are that upset. Look at it from a pure musical standpoint. DT HAS been stagnant for awhile now. This forces them to change...not to mention Portnoy himself has been on cruise control for years.

Pros:

- no terrible harsh vocals
- JP + MP "team" is broken up, perhaps they get a producer?
- new member in band = new creative juices flowing


This really can't be bad for Dream Theater. It's kind of sad to think he's not in the band, but hey, admit it -- he simply wasn't as good of a drummer as he used to be (or as interesting). This makes me excited for the next DT release.

This.

Still a bummer, though.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 06:16:48 PM
I'm gonna go take a long shower and see if the news finally sets in.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 09, 2010, 06:21:01 PM
Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break.  They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table.  Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security. 
So in your job, if it got to the stage where you weren't hugely excited by what you did (although I don't for one second think that's the case with DT, who seem to still really enjoy what they do and continue to make great music), would you quit the job for a few years and find things to do to earn a few scraps here and there? No, you'd continue with your job like anyone would.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TAC on September 09, 2010, 06:21:50 PM
Man, I wish Jordan had recorded that band meeting. :D

I'm actually not concerned about the music. I would bet that some of the folks who have been complaining about their direction lately, and have blamed MP for it..well..we'll see just how much of that is factual.

I'm expecting something far more melodic, and I think the big winner will be James.

So musically, I'm not worried, but it's tough to imagine Dream Theater with a totally different character and culture.


Honestly, this reminds me a lot of when Adrian Smith left Iron Maiden. I remember everything about the moment I heard. He was easily my favorite member at the time. Still it's different because MP wasn't "just" the drummer. He was the face and the voice of DT. This is more than a drummer leaving a band. This is truly a new era for the band.

I'm hoping they can sustain life after MP. I don't want them one by one leaving after each album. It would appear that the band called his bluff. Good for them. I applaud that, but MP was great, a true fan's dream..

I don't see MP returning to DT, but I wouldn't discount another LTE sighting, though that's many years away, long after all of this blows over.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 06:22:04 PM
Epic. I'd expect nothing less from DT.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 06:22:43 PM
Jen!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 06:24:06 PM
JEN!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wkiml on September 09, 2010, 06:25:40 PM
did we just have a Jen Drive By
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 09, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
Epic. I'd expect nothing less from DT.
Thanks for posting :heart
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 09, 2010, 06:27:03 PM
Epic. I'd expect nothing less from DT.


:omg:

:heart Jen
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TempusVox on September 09, 2010, 06:27:10 PM
Everyones reaction, speculation, rumor, and general freak out to this news reminds me of the mound scene (up til about 2:30) from this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8olTfKZnFiM&feature=related

DTF.......We're dealing with a lot of shit!!!!

Everyone calm down.......this shit happens in rock and roll. Mike will go on, the band will go on, and we'll enjoy whatever they all do in the future I'm sure.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 06:28:25 PM
I share the same feelings as most of you.  My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere.  It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.

My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band.  I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway.  They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album.  I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.

Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of.  Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.


Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.

Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break.  They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table.  Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.  
Yet, you sustain DT has made mediocre albums as of late. That's your opinion; and that being said. they don't have any reason to stop. The band (JLB, JR, JP and JM) don't feel like stoping, and I hear them. They're doing better in charts/sales/concert attendances/fans better than they have ever done.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TempusVox on September 09, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
btw...Hello Jennifer.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: abrahamclark on September 09, 2010, 06:33:04 PM
I share the same feelings as most of you.  My hope is that the rest of the band decides to take time off for several years and pursue interests elsewhere.  It would be nice to see them come back in five years for a thirty year “rebirth” if you will.

My honest feeling is that you cannot have Dream Theater without MP or any of the existing members for that matter; you might as well change the name of the band.  I also tend to think that DT is in need of a much needed break anyway.  They’ve been putting out a lot of solid albums but I truly feel like Octavarium was the last excellent album.  I would have liked to see them take a hiatus after SCORE and then return refreshed with a new perspective.

Either way, we may finally get a chance to see MP do one of his heavier side projects without keyboards which he’s spoken of.  Also, we may see some more great side projects from the rest.


Maybe, but that could happen in case DT were a mainstream band. They're not, they need to tour and be constantly active because they have bills to pay, families to take care of, kids going to school...They have not a cellar full of money, they need to be active. They need to pursue the "Dream Theater" project because that's the big element that's made them big and successful.

Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break.  They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table.  Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.  
Yet, you sustain DT has made mediocre albums as of late. That's your opinion; and that being said. they don't have any reason to stop. The band (JLB, JR, JP and JM) don't feel like stoping, and I hear them. They're doing better in charts/sales/concert attendances/fans better than they have ever done.

Don't put words in my mouth.  I said they run the risk of making mediocre albums.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 09, 2010, 06:33:23 PM
Mike's last interview

https://vimeo.com/14827294
I'm glad that the interviewer asked him about "improving". He said that because he didn't have time with all of his responsibilities he couldn't practice that much. What about now? I know that he will keep going on with his projects, but do you think he will get behind his monster kit and blast for 6 hours a day to learn something new? And maybe in some years he'll make a great come back with DT? It may be wishful thinking, but who knows.

Also, that last question was just uncanny!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 06:34:27 PM
did we just have a Jen Drive By
no, I'm still here. been taking this all in since axeman told me about it yesterday.

i don't like change too much so this upsets me for that reason. however, BC&SL felt like it might be the precursor to a huge change, so this almost feels like the shoe finally dropped. that in itself is sort of a relief at least.

 i quite regret only seeing dt a couple of times in the years that i've been a fan. but it's not like the music we've got is going anyplace... and thankfully it wasn't a band member's death that ended this band. there's always room for a reunion tour this way at least.

i suppose.

edit - hi TV. :) nice to see you back in an old, familiar setting for a change.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: abrahamclark on September 09, 2010, 06:34:36 PM
Playing for the money and risking the creation of mediocre albums should be a sign that it's time for a break.  They could pursue side projects for income or indulge in various other avenues for income, which is something we must all do to put food on the table.  Being in a great band does not necessarily negate the need for financial security.  
So in your job, if it got to the stage where you weren't hugely excited by what you did (although I don't for one second think that's the case with DT, who seem to still really enjoy what they do and continue to make great music), would you quit the job for a few years and find things to do to earn a few scraps here and there? No, you'd continue with your job like anyone would.

Like I said, I hope the band will see it Mike's way as I think Mike saw that things were becoming tired; I tend to agree that a hiatus could be a good thing.

Edit: Also, Ms. Put Words In Other's Mouths, said they had to keep playing to make money as if out of desperation.  My response was to the assumption that they are playing for the money.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 09, 2010, 06:36:13 PM
Mike's last interview

https://vimeo.com/14827294
I'm glad that the interviewer asked him about "improving". He said that because he didn't have time with all of his responsibilities he couldn't practice that much. What about now? I know that he will keep going on with his projects, but do you think he will get behind his monster kit and blast for 6 hours a day to learn something new? And maybe in some years he'll make a great come back with DT? It may be wishful thinking, but who knows.

Also, that last question was just uncanny!!!
Very ambiguous, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 06:46:01 PM
I'm sooooo sad! Is there any chance this can be a prank?
I mean, we are hundreds of members, one of us gotta find out!

I'm sure that everyone knows deep inside that it's not a prank, but I'll still just say it... it's not a prank. Sorry.  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TempusVox on September 09, 2010, 06:50:33 PM

edit - hi TV. :) nice to see you back in an old, familiar setting for a change.

Yes. It is. BTW, the pic I was expecting wasn't attached to your last email.  :biggrin:

 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
xoxox
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zorander on September 09, 2010, 07:08:16 PM
djeeeebusss.. I read about this about 12 hours ago. Insane, lost a day of studying..called one of the few friends I have that I was thinking would care at least a bit. Turned out he took it way harder than me, he ended up going home from work to drink  :sadpanda:

Anyways, since many people seems to be speculating about the album etc.. I found this little response from Rena later in the thread from the petrucci forums:

Quote:
Originally Posted by xenomorph
I hope they go to studio and make the best album ever and then get some badass drummer for the tour

Answer from Rena:

That's the plan!

(https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=31 (https://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70293&page=31))

Yay :) See? They plan to get a badass drummer and make the best album ever. Sounds good to me!

...I'm still sad though =( I'd never thought I'd see this day :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 09, 2010, 07:16:35 PM
I'm excited to hear some optimism but I hope it's not to spite Mike.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 07:16:52 PM
JEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

We missed you.  Now go murder Tri.ad for having "Angelina" so low in his Marillion top 40 :D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 07:18:51 PM
JEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

We missed you.  Now go murder Tri.ad for having "Angelina" so low in his Marillion top 40 :D
:lol awww... don't worry about that. tri.ad can redeem himself by have half of his top 10 being songs from Marbles.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 09, 2010, 07:26:38 PM
After sitting on this news for a day and thinking deeply about it, I still think this is the end fo DT. Regardless how amazing the next album is, seeing them live will not be th same ever again. Sadly, that is the only reason DT is as big as they are.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pirate on September 09, 2010, 07:28:57 PM
Has this been posted yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI&feature=sub (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqm8g95wwI&feature=sub)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 07:30:07 PM
Yeah. Pages go by so quickly in this thread it's hard to keep track. Don't post for an hour and you miss a page.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Chino on September 09, 2010, 07:30:59 PM
Has it been confirmed mp is staying with a7x?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 07:31:37 PM
The end for DT??  Nah.  I'm sure A7X fans were saying that when the Rev died, and looked what happened there.  It all depends on how the guys handle it and the person they choose as a replacement.  It could turn into a Maiden/Blaze Bayley situation, or it could turn into gold.  Time will tell.  Don't just write the other guys off.  Give peace a chance.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ainamotore on September 09, 2010, 07:33:48 PM
After sitting on this news for a day and thinking deeply about it, I still think this is the end fo DT. Regardless how amazing the next album is, seeing them live will not be th same ever again. Sadly, that is the only reason DT is as big as they are.

The same no. But nothing stays the same anyway. The next time I go to see DT, I will still be seeing one of the best guitarists on the planet, one of the best keyboard players on the planet, one of the best bassists on the planet, new material, and a vocalist who is perfect for the songs that they write. Not a bad way to spend an evening with...

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 07:36:39 PM
(((guys)))

You know, I've just been thinking about this fact: I've been sober since August, 2008.

There have been some really bad times since then when I wanted to drink, but didn't. Almost every one of those times I went for a drive and put in a Dream Theater CD and listened to one of the twelve step suite's songs -- BC&SL has been in my vehicle since I bought it, before I left dtf in early 2010, and I still love it.

In fact, the entire time I've been away I've had that and The Incident in my vehicle and anytime I burn out of one band, I switch back to listening to the other. I brought the Score DVD/CD set into the car three days ago because I was getting burned out on The Incident... and I sent a random text message to BlobVanDam that same day, quoting some lyrics for the sake of their sheer awesomeness.

I'm so torn about this right now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 07:45:38 PM
This all still feels surreal for me.

Btw, has anyone else noticed a distinct lack of Jamesman throughout all of this?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Accelerando on September 09, 2010, 07:46:15 PM
I'm just so.....sad....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Ultimetalhead on September 09, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
Yeah, I think he's the only regular member who hasn't made a post.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Pirate on September 09, 2010, 07:49:51 PM
Let's hope he didn't let this get too far to his head...  :-\
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 07:50:43 PM
I haven't seen BRGM around either.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 07:52:41 PM
Oh he's posted here, don't worry.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zxlkho on September 09, 2010, 08:02:01 PM
Jamesman requested a temp ban for an entire semester, IIRC...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: veronica on September 09, 2010, 08:02:36 PM
James is on a self imposed hiatus I think.

JEN SQUEE :heart
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 09, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
 :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
Ah yes I remember now.  Off topic though.  Reported.

I can't wait to see what news develops over the coming weeks.  This has got to be the most I've been excited about DT in a long time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 09, 2010, 08:07:35 PM
That last chord in the Jordan Speaks video it's still ringing in my head. I don't know what it meant. I think there's so much embodied in that chord that... Wow, it's like, after several minutes of improvisation and saying that "It's ok, it's alright" that MP had left, that chord it's like a "But it's not that alright for us and you're still breaking our heart and making us feel pain, you bastard".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: predator13 on September 09, 2010, 08:08:08 PM
It just feels so weird.  Like I can't really believe it.  

Musically, this is probably the most interesting thing that could have happened for the band.

Emotionally, apart from the unthinkable death of any of the members, this is the saddest thing that could have happened.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: veronica on September 09, 2010, 08:10:23 PM
This has got to be the most I've been excited about DT in a long time.
I want to feel bad for feeling exactly this, but I don't... DT meant so much for me and now that we've grown apart (I still very occasionally listen to and love their stuff, but...) I'm just exited to see something new happening. I'm looking forward to see how they'll do with what cards they have now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 09, 2010, 08:10:54 PM
These are some notes I made about Mike's original post last night, but I didn't post them because I wanted to wait 24 hours and make sure I wasn't being clouded by my sadness.  I agree with my assessment last night, so here it is:

If there are some problems between MP and the band that haven't come to light yet, I wouldn't be surprised.  In MP's initial posting, there seemed to be subtle shots fired at the band.  He was very possessive of the DT brand and clearly sees it as his baby:

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Dream Theater was always my baby...and I nurtured that baby every single day and waking moment of my life since 1985...24/7, 365...never taking time off from DT's never-ending responsibilites (even when the band was "off" between cycles)...working overtime and way beyond the call of duty that most sane people ever would do for a band...

Quote
While it truly hurts for me to even think of a Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy (hell, my father named the band!!),

and while it was ultimately his decision to leave, it seems like he was trying to push a portion of the blame on others (bolded parts for emphasis):

Quote
...so I have decided to sacrifice myself and simply leave the band so as to not hold them back against their wishes....

Quote
I really tried to salvage the situation and make it work...I honestly just wanted a break

Quote
they determined they do not share my feelings and have decided to continue without me rather than take a breather...I even offered to do some occasional work throughout 2011 against my initial wishes

So, I think there is some stuff brewing under the surface, and I hope for every member of DT they can settle this privately and amicably and not have it blow up.


And now, after Mike's posting of that blog entry (this one: https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html (https://paulgargano.blogspot.com/2010/09/mike-portnoy-quits-dream-theater-can.html), I'm more concerned this might end in a way no fan wants it to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: j on September 09, 2010, 08:15:54 PM
^ Yeah, no doubt he's going through a seriously emotional time right now, but he did sorta come across sounding like a martyr, among other things.

-J
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 08:22:03 PM
Well, at least JustJen came back.  So everything is cool.

Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 08:27:34 PM
Whatever the case may be man, life goes on.  Mike has done what he has thought was best for himself and (coming from a guy who has practically given all he has to his fans) there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  So what if he let some of his own (seemingly) negative thoughts come out in a letter to his fans, Mike has always been like that; honest and open.  I just hope he doesn't take all this negativity from some fans to heart, especially considering the problems of his past.  I'd hate for this to be the reason for Mike falling off the wagon.  As stupid as that may sound.  Sometimes we forget that our heroes are human.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: YtseJam on September 09, 2010, 08:28:08 PM
Either DT will kick ass and reinvent themselves or they will try to be the same band and fail.

MP probably feels held back by the bounds of DT, Bounds that he created himself. It's kinda like when your boss says something stupid but instead of admitting he's wrong takes everyone down the wrong path for years then he fires everyone for doing what they were told if that makes any sense. I just hope the rest of the band has their balls dangling and are ready to try some new things and not worry so much about trying not to be popular.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: axeman90210 on September 09, 2010, 08:31:11 PM
24 hours later and I finally can type something out, since I found out last night but I was already quite drunk, coincidentally with the buddy who I went to see Dream Theater for the first time with (ToT tour at MSG) back in the day. We dedicated the rest of the night's drinking to DT/MP and listened to the bootleg of that show through ACOS.

This is the first time I've watched a favorite band go through some sort of trauma, every other band that I really listen to either has been disbanded already (classic rock stuff) or hasn't had a lineup change (closest I came was Newsted left Metallica 6-8 months before I became a fan). It hasn't really hit me until tonight though. The last hour and a half or so I've gone through this whole thread, and reading some of the posts here while listening to Jordan's improv piece nearly moved me to tears, and I don't think I could make it through some of the more heartfelt DT songs without getting too emotional.

Between being my absolute favorite band, the holy trinity of I&W, Awake, and SFAM all probably inhabit my top 5 all time albums list, and leading me to the various incarnations of DTF where I've found some of the best friends I have, spent a mind numbing number of hours in conversation with a great group of people, and discovered most of the rest of the music that's filled my ears in the last half a decade or so, Dream Theater has far and away been a huge influence in my life since the first time I put Six Degrees in my cd player and The Glass Prison blew my mind. I have no doubt both Mike Portnoy and the remaining members of Dream Theater will go on to create more great music, that's what they do, and I'll continue to check it all out. That said, even if the new music Dream Theater puts out is fantastic, and better than their recent output (I wasn't one of those "Portnoy is ruining the musical direction of the band people, though I didn't particularly care for good chunks of Train of Thought through Systematic Chaos. I thought BC&SL was a big step in the right direction though), I think anyone who tells him/herself that the experience of being a Dream Theater fan will remain the same is still in denial. In addition to the music, the whole experience of loving Dream Theater has been incredibly rewarding, and it's been so in large part thanks to Mike Portnoy. The rotating setlists, the official bootlegs, directing the DVDs, all the communication with the fans (his forum, Christmas vids etc...), all that done by a man who, as someone earlier in the thread said, worked 25 hours a day for Dream Theater fans. Some of those responsibilities may be taken up by one or more members of the band, but (with all due respect)  none of the rest of the guys ever exuded the kind of passion for making Dream Theater as great a band to be a fan of as Mike did, and that's what I think will be missed the most.

Mike, I understand why you had to make the change you did, and I wish you the best in whatever musical endeavors you undertake in the future (more Transatlantic would be nice, hint hint), I'll be along for the ride listening. JP, JR, JLB, and JM, I understand why you felt the need to press on, I look forward to finding out who will be playing drums with you guys in the future and I'm excited to hear what the next album of music you guys put together sounds like.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
The best possible outcome is that DT will find a good replacement drummer and they will continue to make great music, while Transatlantic and perhaps LTE get together occasionally to also produce great new music, alongside whatever else MP winds up doing.  All with a minimum of ugliness.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 09, 2010, 08:37:24 PM
I'm all for Dream Theater getting Terry Bozzio. That would be a hell of a band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 09, 2010, 08:38:19 PM
Nice post Bill, and it really does sum up how I'm feeling quite nicely.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 08:41:03 PM
Well, at least JustJen came back.  So everything is cool.

Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.

Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.

It is the way of things.

;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 09, 2010, 08:44:06 PM
Well, at least JustJen came back.  So everything is cool.

Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.

Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.

It is the way of things.

;)

So who has to go for us to get Blob back? :P
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DeanTheater on September 09, 2010, 08:45:23 PM
WOW.  I am late for the Funeral.  Having 3 kids will do that.  I just checked my email and got the newsletter from Mark Brudius.

I am Utterfly Floored and saddened by this news.  That being said, great bands  dont go on forever. And with age and time, changes will occur.  But, I still cant help but feel like I am greiving someones death.  Good luck in your future Endeavors MP.   I am a true DT fan of 25 Yrs and will continue to be so.................Hey, Look what happen to RUSH when they picked up this shy replacement drummer............name escapes me.  

You never know.


FUCKING WOW
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
Well, at least JustJen came back.  So everything is cool.

Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.

Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.

It is the way of things.

;)

So who has to go for us to get Blob back? :P

Don't you DARE jinx anything...

-M.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 08:50:44 PM
Well, at least JustJen came back.  So everything is cool.

Oh shit, I forgot Jamesman's request for an unban.

Everytime God removes a band member, he reinstates a forum member.

It is the way of things.

;)

So who has to go for us to get Blob back? :P
You just stop it right fucking now. 

Not about Blob coming back, but about anyone else leaving.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 09, 2010, 08:51:38 PM
Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 08:52:35 PM
Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol

A very ironic balance in the universe indeed  :lol

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Don't you think?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MetalManiac666 on September 09, 2010, 08:54:14 PM
Speaking of Jordan, I'm really hoping he gets to do a good bit of piano work on the next album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 08:55:03 PM
Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol

I was just about to post "I think you all know the answer to that" but then Nick went ahead and spelled it out.

Seriously though, only Blob knows what Blob will do. But, it's nice that he's missed. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 08:56:25 PM
Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Don't you think?
Deja vu.

Hef - the bears CAME BACK.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: YtseJam on September 09, 2010, 09:00:02 PM
 ::) Way to wreck a decent thread...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bosk1 on September 09, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back.  From what I hear, it was the very next day.  Early reports were that many thought he was a goner.  But the c--*smack!*  

Ow.  I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: PlaysLikeMyung on September 09, 2010, 09:11:12 PM
Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back.  From what I hear, it was the very next day.  Early reports were that many thought he was a goner.  But the c--*smack!*  

Ow.  I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.

lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 09, 2010, 09:14:09 PM
Although it would be quite ironic if Jordan left and it caused Blob to come back. :lol
Don't you think?
A little too ironic. Yeah, I really do think.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 09:14:18 PM
Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back.  From what I hear, it was the very next day.  Early reports were that many thought he was a goner.  But the c--*smack!*  

Ow.  I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Hey, it's my birthday!  What can I say?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DT1 on September 09, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me. Major bummer.  

Best wishes in all you do Mike. Even though this comment will probably drown in a sea of others, I hope you read it.

You'll be missed my friend.  :-\

p.s. Thanks for the drumsticks when we were in Las Vegas. They're mounted on my wall.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye.  Sorry you wouldn't stay.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: STEVETHEATER on September 09, 2010, 09:51:47 PM
I'm not a man of many words, even being on this forum for so many years now. But being a hardcore Dream Theater fan for 18 years I like express the way I feel through my art. It's because of Dream Theater and you that I begun to start my own business over a year ago. Mike we know this was the hardest decision you ever had to make but I completely understand where you are comming from.

It's just like a marriage you had for 25 years... and you have to tell your kids that it's over between mommy and daddy... in your case you have to tell this sad news to millions of ''kids''....

Whatever you do I will always support you... the journey doesn't end here, it's only just begun.

STEVE, CARPE DIEM!

(https://i51.tinypic.com/5mq21.jpg)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 09, 2010, 09:53:10 PM
Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back.  From what I hear, it was the very next day.  Early reports were that many thought he was a goner.  But the c--*smack!* 

Ow.  I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Hey, it's my birthday!  What can I say?
Happy birthday hef, and sorry about the shitty timing of this whole thing - sucks bad enough without being right near your birthday that this went down.

Anyhow, just read the entire thread -- long read!

I was surprised how few words were said about mike's sobriety. Admittedly I'm far less of a hardcore fan than many people here, but I had thought his habit of being solitary in hotels during touring had more to do with his sobriety than anything else. The fact that he's out and socializing and getting tattoos at 330am and whatnot just makes me worry about his sobriety.

He should do what makes him happy, yes... but I hope that "happy" doesn't equal "count down to chemically induced self destruction".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 09:54:42 PM
That's VERY nice, Steve! Great job, as always!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 09, 2010, 09:56:38 PM
I was actually thinking if he will be start drinking after this. His wife and family wouldn't let him, though. That's good.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 09:57:33 PM
Good point, Jen.  Hopefully, no matter what he does in the future, his sobriety won't become a victim of this split.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: antigoon on September 09, 2010, 09:57:47 PM
I can't see that happening...I really can't.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 09, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
I dunno, he is touring with Avenged Sevenfold.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 09, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
I dunno, he is touring with Avenged Sevenfold.
Wait...when did this happen?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: skydivingninja on September 09, 2010, 09:59:19 PM
I doubt MP will start drinking again.  After ten years or so (?), a 60 minute suite, and a wife and kids to look after, I think he'll be okay sobriety-wise.  The thing about getting tatoos at 3 am is a little odd, but it might have something to do with that midlife crisis theory.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nic35 on September 09, 2010, 09:59:46 PM
No. He said somewhere that he used to go out and visit, but now he just uses his free time to relax and to get some rest.

I can't believe you guys are speculating on him drinking again. Hell, he left Dream Theater because he needs a break, not because he's now a party animal.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cramx3 on September 09, 2010, 10:13:50 PM
Wow, I am pretty late to hearing the news.  I am really not surprised with DT taking breaks and Mike recording and then playing with Avenged.  I kind of get the feeling like the money with Avenged is probably better with less work so it makes sense financially for him.  I mean, they are a bigger band than DT and he doesn't have to be the main guy there.  I can see it like someone getting a better job and leaving thier current job, but its tough considering DT is his "baby."  I can really see this being all about money.  DT wants to keep recording and touring to make money, Mike doesnt want to because he can make his money somewhere else so there is a head butt that ends in a split.  Thats just my opinion, but I just find it hard to believe he would leave for any other reason.  People need to do what is best for them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 09, 2010, 10:17:03 PM
Oh hai Jen. :D

I wonder how things will develop in the next few weeks. Maybe there's going to be some turmoil (and there are indeed some signs that lead to this way), but all in all, I'm more excited about DT getting a new, kickass drummer and delivering a good, fresh-sounding album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dr. DTVT on September 09, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
This isn't meant as a potshot at A7X, but he did replace someone who OD'ed, so I'm guessing the rev wasn't the only drug user among the members of the band.  I hope that they respect Mike's years of sobriety and stay clean around him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 09, 2010, 10:54:51 PM
This isn't meant as a potshot at A7X, but he did replace someone who OD'ed, so I'm guessing the rev wasn't the only drug user among the members of the band.  I hope that they respect Mike's years of sobriety and stay clean around him.

I really hope Mike doesn't join A7X full time.  Would be totally detrimental to his recovery.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SPNKr on September 09, 2010, 11:17:22 PM
Wait, this means their next album will have less balls in the metal, but more prog... Hmm, I like. Best of luck to Portnoy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 09, 2010, 11:24:15 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided.  Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.

Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Quadrochosis on September 09, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided.  Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.

Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?


That would be cool, I think that they should definitely make a return to the more concise, and also melodic, style of music.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SPNKr on September 09, 2010, 11:27:21 PM
Well I hope they do something very wacky, or serious but wacky. Some parts in A Change Of Seasons comes to mind.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 09, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided.  Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.

Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?


Probably about as heavy as anything that was on Images And Words/Awake/Falling Into Infinity, I think... It'd be nice to see a more song-oriented approach to metal writing on the next album, as in those old days, rather than extending riffs and solos for metal epics, as has been the case with many songs over the last few albums. Don't get me wrong, I love many of those songs, but perhaps a lot of that had to do with MP's direction. I don't think he had much input in the songs back in the day, which is probably why we have more songs under 8-10 minutes on those albums than we did over 8-10 minutes. The opposite seems true with latter albums, epics and longer songs more numerous than before. Possibly MP's way of incorporating epic-length songs with a metal edge, to satisfy his idea of "proggy" DT while still being "metal" DT.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Progmetty on September 09, 2010, 11:44:15 PM
this better be a joke, i just saw this now and i will read all the pages but someone just tell me if its a joke first, tell me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 09, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that assuming that Portnoy's departure will mean less metal and more prog is misguided.  Remember that Petrucci is as much of a metal fan as Portnoy is, although his roots seem to be more with classic metal, rather than some of the newer metal, so while they will likely lose the newer metal elements (like the occasional rough vocals), I suspect they will still be as heavy as they were before, generally speaking.

Also, I remember JP saying on one of the BC&SL youtube videos that he was tired of the long instrumental sections that featured guitar and key solos back to back, so perhaps we will see shorter, more focused, more concise instrumental sections?

Yeah, I mean, as much as Portnoy likes newer metal, you can totally tell JP is into all that chugga-chugga stuff going on ever since SDOIT. I don't expect that to change.

What I do expect is to see him doing more on his own, coming to the band with complete or nearly complete songs as he did (I assume) with Wither.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 09, 2010, 11:48:48 PM
Well, I guess anything is possible because, as we all know, the cat came back.  From what I hear, it was the very next day.  Early reports were that many thought he was a goner.  But the c--*smack!* 

Ow.  I think Hef just smacked me from across the country.
Hey, it's my birthday!  What can I say?
Happy birthday hef, and sorry about the shitty timing of this whole thing - sucks bad enough without being right near your birthday that this went down.

Anyhow, just read the entire thread -- long read!

I was surprised how few words were said about mike's sobriety. Admittedly I'm far less of a hardcore fan than many people here, but I had thought his habit of being solitary in hotels during touring had more to do with his sobriety than anything else. The fact that he's out and socializing and getting tattoos at 330am and whatnot just makes me worry about his sobriety.

He should do what makes him happy, yes... but I hope that "happy" doesn't equal "count down to chemically induced self destruction".
Whoa, would ya look who it is.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Progmetty on September 09, 2010, 11:52:50 PM
My God it's true.. Godspeed Portnoy.
JP at the helm now, its gonna get a whole lotta more creative when he has no one to think for him, I'm shy to say I'm somewhat excited about what's to come.
wow.. what news to wake up to.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on September 10, 2010, 12:48:21 AM
I'm all for Dream Theater getting Terry Bozzio. That would be a hell of a band.

Please, no.  Please, no.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AwakeFromOctavarium on September 10, 2010, 01:03:29 AM
As stated by someone earlier in this thread, my vote goes to Virgil Donati. I don't have his music yet, but I was blown away by his proficiency in handling odd time beats.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on September 10, 2010, 01:09:31 AM
What saddens me the most:  MP personal songs that I will never hear live.

"The Best of Times" - Like Space Dye Vest, I think DT will avoid playing this song now, as it is so deeply personal to MP.  I listened to this just yesterday, looking forward to its eventual live debut, then the news hit last night.

"Redemption" & "The Shattered Fortress" - Will DT play the AA suite in its entirety?  Seems unlikely now.    Too bad, MP really deserved to hear our appreciation for this musical achievement, and our acknowlegment of the personal journey he completed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 10, 2010, 01:33:44 AM
I think we'll hear the Best of Times. Sure, it's MIKE's song, but it's also a song that Petrucci really shreds on. I doubt he'll be able to resist the temptation to play it. And, really, there's no reason why the band SHOULDN'T play it. I also think we'll probably hear sections of the AA saga, though probably not the entire thing.

I know Mike can seem a little irrational at times, but I doubt he'd want Dream Theater to NOT perform The Best of Times. It might make him feel a little sad to see the first live performance of it not include him, but I think that Mike would prefer DT play the song rather than waste it.

Annnnd if he DOES join them on stage for an encore in 5 or 10 years, you can bet your bottom dollar that TBoT will be one of the songs they encore with.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on September 10, 2010, 01:35:33 AM
Guess its time to save up for Rich Wilson's third edition of Lifting Shadows . . .

and speaking of which, allow me to quote Chapter 11, Walking on Eggshells, page 222 (re MP's 1998 announcement to quite DT):

"But in hindsight [JP] now accepts that if Mike had left, Dream Theater would effectively have been finished"

"I think it would have been difficult to continue," [JP] says.  "Mike's such a huge part of Dream Theater and this was something we had built together to that point.  So it wouldn't have been the same thing.  Obviously, when it was all happening, you're like 'Fuck it.  I'm going to do whatever I have to do and I'm not going to stop.'  But realistically, could we have continued?  No.  I couldn't see that.  At the time you don't want anything to collapse or want to think that somebody could take that all away.  But it wouldn't have bee nthe same."

Interesting to contrast this with everything that is going on.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 02:15:23 AM
Guess its time to save up for Rich Wilson's third edition of Lifting Shadows . . .

and speaking of which, allow me to quote Chapter 11, Walking on Eggshells, page 222 (re MP's 1998 announcement to quite DT):

"But in hindsight [JP] now accepts that if Mike had left, Dream Theater would effectively have been finished"

"I think it would have been difficult to continue," [JP] says.  "Mike's such a huge part of Dream Theater and this was something we had built together to that point.  So it wouldn't have been the same thing.  Obviously, when it was all happening, you're like 'Fuck it.  I'm going to do whatever I have to do and I'm not going to stop.'  But realistically, could we have continued?  No.  I couldn't see that.  At the time you don't want anything to collapse or want to think that somebody could take that all away.  But it wouldn't have bee nthe same."

Interesting to contrast this with everything that is going on.



The time scale tells you all. That was in 1998, now it's 13 years later. In 13 years everybody has been more involved and all the members see DT as their own band. I mean, Mike changed his thoughts in this past year and now wants to leave, the others has changed his thoughts too in these past years and want to continue, that's all
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 10, 2010, 02:41:59 AM
If you haven't seen it already, check the reactions from JP and JLB in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16450.0

Definitely indicates that there's no personal friction between the guys (particularly JP and MP), which supports those of us who believe that Mike in particular is just feeling upset about the whole thing but that there's nothing boiling under the surface.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 03:18:36 AM
Yes, I have read that. I just hope nothing wrong is gonna happen.  Let's wait and see. We don't want a fight, that is sad and I have lived that in Stratovarius these past years and I do not recommend it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 10, 2010, 03:26:45 AM
Yeah I'm not a huge Strato fan now, but I was fairly into them when shit first started going down, and it wasn't cool at all. However, Timo Tolkki is an absolute nutter, whereas while Mike can be impulsive and say what's on his mind too readily, he's a decent, caring guy, so I don't think it would ever get anything like that.

Plus, the full list of questions that JP has answered (later in that thread) fills me with a lot of hope that things will be fine once it all settles down. :)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 04:14:26 AM
Yeah I'm not a huge Strato fan now, but I was fairly into them when shit first started going down, and it wasn't cool at all. However, Timo Tolkki is an absolute nutter, whereas while Mike can be impulsive and say what's on his mind too readily, he's a decent, caring guy, so I don't think it would ever get anything like that.

Plus, the full list of questions that JP has answered (later in that thread) fills me with a lot of hope that things will be fine once it all settles down. :)

Tolkki had mental problems, nobody is sure if he still having that problems or not, but it seems he had (has) some kind of bipolar disorder. the story was more or less:

1- Tolkki's idea about a stunt saying that Stratovarius is no more in 2004 and firing Kotipelto and bringing a female singer (all the band agreed with that stunt). Tolkki simulate an stabbing in a concert in a Spain festival. All was a fake.

2- In 2005 reunion and selftitled album (a mediocre album without spirit).

3- In 2007, announce for a new album called Revolution Renaissance and a promised back to the roots album with Visions style. Bad live performances around that era, specially in Wacken (a horrible performance). Last concert with Tolkki in Madrid. The album was never released by Stratovarius.

4- In April 2008, Tolkki says Stratovarius is no more and a flame wars starts everywhere (the press, official forums, face to face). he says that what happened in 2004 was a stunt and the stabbing was a fake.

5- One month later, the rest of the band says that they are gonna continue. Tolkki got mad and saying that's not fair and that Stratovarius was his creation and he composed 98% of the songs (that's true). But the people (we, the fans) wanted them to continue. (My first topic in this forum was to demand help for an online signature I created, yes a silly thing but I was desperated).

6-They bring a new guitarrist called Matias Kupianen, a young promise from Finland. More prog oriented guy, mixed with typical power metal style.

7-New album Polaris released in May 2009. Very good acceptance and good reviews. People happy again and waiting for the new Polaris tour that ended some months ago. They have been touring a lot around europe and a lot of gigs are scheduled for 2011 (including a tour with Helloween). New album coming on February/March 2011.

8-Tolkki in 2008 formed a band called Revolution Renaissance (yes... the name of the supposed Stratovarius album in 2007). And with an album called New Era, he used Kiske, Sammet and Rantanen to sing the songs that were for the Stratovarius album. Then,in 2009 he released with new members an album called Age of Aquarius. Then he announced for this September another new album called Trinity. Some weeks ago he said Revolution Renaissance is no more because of the poor interest in the band and because nobody was able to get some decent gigs.

9-Now he is wandering without band and have no idea wht the future holds.

10-Stratovarius rules. He wanted to leave, so bye bye.


I recommend you to listen Polaris album (if you feel like, of course). It mix some new ideas with old ideas. It was an strange album for them but very important, cause it was the album that told them "hey, you can do it without the mainman". And they did it, now the band is plenty of new ideas and creativity, everybody is composing (TT was the only composer in Stratovarius).

I see this happening with DT. But I don't want to see bad things and flame wars happening, in Stratovarius that was mad. The official forums had fights with Tolkki and the rest, etc, etc.

Sorry for the off topic, but it's incredible how familiar all this is for me (not the part of the stunt).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: the-glass-prison on September 10, 2010, 04:21:33 AM
If you haven't seen it already, check the reactions from JP and JLB in this thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16450.0

Definitely indicates that there's no personal friction between the guys (particularly JP and MP), which supports those of us who believe that Mike in particular is just feeling upset about the whole thing but that there's nothing boiling under the surface.

Ariich, I have just been reading JP's comments over on the JP forum and I have to say I am feeling so much better than I was yesterday about the whole thing. It's great to know that JP is still as hungry as ever to make DT work and give it 1000%. Rest assured, they will get a drummer that is more than capable of producing the goods.

Mike will eventually realise that he has made the wrong move. Like JP, I too think that this will only hit him when he sees a stranger sitting on his seat! Here's to the next chapter Interesting times ahead.


Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 04:43:48 AM
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Mike will eventually realise that he has made the wrong move.



You can be sure, he will, and more than we think.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 04:55:46 AM
No. He said somewhere that he used to go out and visit, but now he just uses his free time to relax and to get some rest.

I can't believe you guys are speculating on him drinking again. Hell, he left Dream Theater because he needs a break, not because he's now a party animal.

Nothing about the MP situation has made me sad, but if he were to start drinking again, that would do the trick. I can't imagine hearing of a larger "hero's downfall".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 05:04:49 AM
Also, though I'm sure a Dream Theater flame war would never happen, it's a funny image in my head, because...it's like imagining the clash of the titans. The battle of the gods. John Peh-truck-see would maul about 40 youths upon baldhead Rudess (major props to whoever gets the reference).

But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!". Do you think he hasn't thought about this 24/7? He's got OCD, and he probably couldn't stop thinking about it the moment it popped into his head. This is something he has no doubt scrutinized, and I doubt he is going to come back after making such a strong and personal decision.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2010, 05:13:45 AM
Yeah I'm not a huge Strato fan now, but I was fairly into them when shit first started going down, and it wasn't cool at all. However, Timo Tolkki is an absolute nutter, whereas while Mike can be impulsive and say what's on his mind too readily, he's a decent, caring guy, so I don't think it would ever get anything like that.

Plus, the full list of questions that JP has answered (later in that thread) fills me with a lot of hope that things will be fine once it all settles down. :)

Tolkki had mental problems, nobody is sure if he still having that problems or not, but it seems he had (has) some kind of bipolar disorder. the story was more or less:

1- Tolkki's idea about a stunt saying that Stratovarius is no more in 2004 and firing Kotipelto and bringing a female singer (all the band agreed with that stunt). Tolkki simulate an stabbing in a concert in a Spain festival. All was a fake.

2- In 2005 reunion and selftitled album (a mediocre album without spirit).

3- In 2007, announce for a new album called Revolution Renaissance and a promised back to the roots album with Visions style. Bad live performances around that era, specially in Wacken (a horrible performance). Last concert with Tolkki in Madrid. The album was never released by Stratovarius.

4- In April 2008, Tolkki says Stratovarius is no more and a flame wars starts everywhere (the press, official forums, face to face). he says that what happened in 2004 was a stunt and the stabbing was a fake.

5- One month later, the rest of the band says that they are gonna continue. Tolkki got mad and saying that's not fair and that Stratovarius was his creation and he composed 98% of the songs (that's true). But the people (we, the fans) wanted them to continue. (My first topic in this forum was to demand help for an online signature I created, yes a silly thing but I was desperated).

6-They bring a new guitarrist called Matias Kupianen, a young promise from Finland. More prog oriented guy, mixed with typical power metal style.

7-New album Polaris released in May 2009. Very good acceptance and good reviews. People happy again and waiting for the new Polaris tour that ended some months ago. They have been touring a lot around europe and a lot of gigs are scheduled for 2011 (including a tour with Helloween). New album coming on February/March 2011.

8-Tolkki in 2008 formed a band called Revolution Renaissance (yes... the name of the supposed Stratovarius album in 2007). And with an album called New Era, he used Kiske, Sammet and Rantanen to sing the songs that were for the Stratovarius album. Then,in 2009 he released with new members an album called Age of Aquarius. Then he announced for this September another new album called Trinity. Some weeks ago he said Revolution Renaissance is no more because of the poor interest in the band and because nobody was able to get some decent gigs.

9-Now he is wandering without band and have no idea wht the future holds.

10-Stratovarius rules. He wanted to leave, so bye bye.


I recommend you to listen Polaris album (if you feel like, of course). It mix some new ideas with old ideas. It was an strange album for them but very important, cause it was the album that told them "hey, you can do it without the mainman". And they did it, now the band is plenty of new ideas and creativity, everybody is composing (TT was the only composer in Stratovarius).

I see this happening with DT. But I don't want to see bad things and flame wars happening, in Stratovarius that was mad. The official forums had fights with Tolkki and the rest, etc, etc.

Sorry for the off topic, but it's incredible how familiar all this is for me (not the part of the stunt).

This was one of the most amazing soap operas the world of metal has ever seen.  I was a huge Strato fan and I really loved every minute of this.  I would be looking for updates just to see what was gonna happen next.

Oh and Jens pissing on Tolkki in concert was hilarious.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 05:23:35 AM
Quote

This was one of the most amazing soap operas the world of metal has ever seen.  I was a huge Strato fan and I really loved every minute of this.  I would be looking for updates just to see what was gonna happen next.

Oh and Jens pissing on Tolkki in concert was hilarious.

looooool, yes. And when the band Revolution Renaissance was created, there was a website and a forum and Tolkki registered there just to say that "a friend of him" told him bad things about the new line up, etc, etc. He made a guitar contest cause he wanted to donate as a gift one of his ESP (he donate the Stratocasters a while ago), but the winner of that contest (a spanish guy) has never received the guitar XD. Then you had his first myspace that was hacked and plenty of statements saying that he loved the new album Polaris, etc, etc Hey, I have tons and tons of things to say, but of course that's off topic. But it was hilarious and sad.

But the most funny thing in Stratovarius history was when Jens blowed up a nasty toilet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4T4UzFB4Q

I love this man hahaha, I had a lot of laughs with him in Madrid in the last concert I went. He is so funny and smart.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 05:27:11 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ? on September 10, 2010, 05:51:56 AM
There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):

How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 10, 2010, 05:53:08 AM
Listening to The Killing Hand... (studio) and i just realized... that recording includes more former members than current

 :-[ :| :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 05:54:37 AM
There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):

How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!

Well, I suppose it's gonna be Petrucci? Or they will skip that kind of songs?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ? on September 10, 2010, 05:58:18 AM
There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):

How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!

Well, I suppose it's gonna be Petrucci? Or they will skip that kind of songs?
I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part!  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zydar on September 10, 2010, 05:58:39 AM
I can't quite picture JR singing MPs parts in Constant Motion  :|
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ? on September 10, 2010, 06:00:13 AM
I can't quite picture JR singing MPs parts in Constant Motion  :|
I can't imagine anyone but Mike himself doing those parts. Maybe it'll be played again if they'll do some reunion shows in the future.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 06:00:32 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 10, 2010, 06:04:14 AM
There have been loads of threads about Mike's departure and many of them have been locked so I think this belongs here (I don't know if someone has mentioned this, anyway):

How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!

Well, I suppose it's gonna be Petrucci? Or they will skip that kind of songs?
I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part!  :lol
I dunno, the part was originally written for JLB, I imagine he'll just do it but in a different way to on the recording.

EDIT: In terms of backing harmonies, JR is a perfectly capable singer, so if the new drummer isn't much on vocals then I'm sure JR can join in. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Mladen on September 10, 2010, 06:06:16 AM
How will they do the backing vocals live without him? I don't think there are many drummers that are as great as Mike and sing backing vocals. Of course, JP is still in the band but what will happen to songs like Constant Motion where Mike had many vocal parts? Maybe Jordan should start singing backing vocals (at least in the songs where 2 backing vocalists are needed)!
They'll maybe find a drummer who can perform it properly. Or we should just wait and see...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 10, 2010, 06:09:47 AM
I could imagine JR using a voice effect for many of MP's parts in order to achieve that deeper, rougher voice; as it is, I don't think that his voice is powerful enough to provide that kind of backing vocals properly.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: webpoet73 on September 10, 2010, 06:26:25 AM
This really does suck... MP was part of the soul of the band.  He wasn't just some member.  Part of me wishes they'd just fully break up or take the hiatus... none of them are "spring chickens" anymore, either. 

I haven't read the entire thread, but some of the comments sound like he was disposible... certainly there are capable drummers that can play the parts.  Hell, he posted videos to his twitter of 10 year olds playing some of his parts.  That's only a part of it.   Most other bands that lose a piece of their soul never recover until that piece is restored. 

Anyway, good luck to MP in the future, but I hold major reservations about DT for the future...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 10, 2010, 06:56:37 AM
Quote

This was one of the most amazing soap operas the world of metal has ever seen.  I was a huge Strato fan and I really loved every minute of this.  I would be looking for updates just to see what was gonna happen next.

Oh and Jens pissing on Tolkki in concert was hilarious.

looooool, yes. And when the band Revolution Renaissance was created, there was a website and a forum and Tolkki registered there just to say that "a friend of him" told him bad things about the new line up, etc, etc. He made a guitar contest cause he wanted to donate as a gift one of his ESP (he donate the Stratocasters a while ago), but the winner of that contest (a spanish guy) has never received the guitar XD. Then you had his first myspace that was hacked and plenty of statements saying that he loved the new album Polaris, etc, etc Hey, I have tons and tons of things to say, but of course that's off topic. But it was hilarious and sad.

But the most funny thing in Stratovarius history was when Jens blowed up a nasty toilet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4T4UzFB4Q

I love this man hahaha, I had a lot of laughs with him in Madrid in the last concert I went. He is so funny and smart.

That's from the wonderful Infinite Visions DVD  :lol  He is one crazy bastard!!

In Tolkki's defense the first RR album was really excellent, I thoroughly enjoyed it.  haven't heard the last one and now before the release of their last album Tolkki says that the band is no more.  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 10, 2010, 07:04:10 AM
I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part!  :lol

Shame really, cos minus the growl rap-thingy, it's a great song.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OneLastTime on September 10, 2010, 08:16:24 AM
First time poster, long time lurker

Even though I wish MP the best in his future endeavors, I'm a bit upset at the timing of his departure. DT are, I would say, at the biggest they ever were. They had a #6 album (for being progressive metal, this is incredible) and just came back from playing the biggest shows EVER in their career.

Then all of a sudden, MP is taking on multiple projects and going 24/7 on DT's off-cycle. He very well knew what he was getting himself into. I understand that it is fun to do the various side projects he does, but their comes a time when you need to understand where you come from. He's been with DT for 25 years. He's known JP & JM for over half his life. Hell, even their wives were in the same band.
PLus, what I believe makes this the worst of all, he' s still on tour with A7X. Frankley, I do like them. But I feel tha this is a slap in the face to DT/DTfans. I felt it would be a little bit classier if he were to do it after the tour.

I still have a lot of different feelings about this so hopefully I'll post more about this soon.

Edit: I know JP,JR,JLB all commented on the situation. Does anyone think JM will comment soon (or at all)?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: BRGM on September 10, 2010, 08:23:11 AM
ISn't there any interviwes about this yet?! :O It's been 2 days!!!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cthrubuoy on September 10, 2010, 08:26:07 AM
I think that at least A Nightmare to Remember won't be played anymore. It'd be hilarious to see JP or JR doing that RRROOOOAAAARRR!! part!  :lol

Shame really, cos minus the growl rap-thingy, it's a great song.

I thought it was shit, but then when I listened to it last night I really enjoyed it. It's strange how perception changes over time.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 10, 2010, 08:27:02 AM
ISn't there any interviwes about this yet?! :O It's been 2 days!!!

Are you serious?! How about giving them some time to stomach this event before opening up to the public? Besides, JP and JLB have already given statements about this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cthrubuoy on September 10, 2010, 08:28:06 AM
ISn't there any interviwes about this yet?! :O It's been 2 days!!!

OMG 2 days, that is like the longest time ever!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Orbert on September 10, 2010, 08:33:52 AM
I'm all for Dream Theater getting Terry Bozzio. That would be a hell of a band.

Please, no.  Please, no.

Terry Bozzio is a great drummer, and as a bonus, he can sing.

But I agree that he would not be a good fit for Dream Theater, if that's your objection.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: BRGM on September 10, 2010, 08:37:04 AM
jeez! I was kidding
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 08:42:35 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.

Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 08:47:23 AM
I really want Myung to comment on this. I know, he doesn't speak, but I want it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 10, 2010, 08:49:41 AM
I think it's safe to say that he won't.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 08:50:33 AM
Anyone who isn't familiar with Rudess's voice should check out his cover of "Just the Same"; he sounds like a total badass and has this pleasantly wonderful gravel in his voice. I would actually be ecstatic if they introduced a few LaBrie/Rudess duets in some songs.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 08:55:36 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.

Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.

Will be a fact. Sorry for say it too soon!  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 10, 2010, 09:11:59 AM
Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird.  If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public?  Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RazielSR on September 10, 2010, 09:18:00 AM
Anyway, I still thinking that the worst for a band is to replace the singer or the guitar player. Ad yes, I'm taking into account what MP represented for DT.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 09:20:02 AM
Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird.  If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public?  Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly. 

Because he's probably slept on it for months. Just because it's new to us doesn't mean it's new to him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LTE3 on September 10, 2010, 09:45:31 AM
I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.

Nothing, and who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 10, 2010, 09:59:23 AM
Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird.  If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public?  Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly. 

Because he's probably slept on it for months. Just because it's new to us doesn't mean it's new to him.

I am sure that is true, but Petrucci did say it all went down on Wednesday, so announcing his departure the same day still seems awfully hasty (assuming what JP said is true, and not him taking the high road and not flinging mud).

I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.

Nothing, and who gives a fuck.

Some of us would be curious to hear Kevin Moore's take on things.  We aren't gonna get it :lol, but some of us would like to hear it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: John94 on September 10, 2010, 10:04:13 AM
I think Kevin Moores feelings about Mike Portnoy leaving can be summed up by these quotes.

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Now that you're gone I'm trying to take it
Learning to swallow the rage

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This is not how I want it to end

It would probably end by him saying that he could never be open again.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 10, 2010, 10:08:47 AM
Some of us would be curious to hear Kevin Moore's take on things.  We aren't gonna get it :lol, but some of us would like to hear it.

I'd be curious, and I'm sure he's had some thoughts about it. That is, if he even knows. At the same time, the idea of him coming out to make a comment about DT NOW would seem kinda pathetic to me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 10:11:24 AM
Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird.  If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public?  Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly. 

Because he's probably slept on it for months. Just because it's new to us doesn't mean it's new to him.

I am sure that is true, but Petrucci did say it all went down on Wednesday, so announcing his departure the same day still seems awfully hasty (assuming what JP said is true, and not him taking the high road and not flinging mud).

If Mike had known for ages then he was probably ready to announce it by Wednesday. If he was going to announce it then surely it only makes sense for the band to announce it at the same time rather than waiting.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Orbert on September 10, 2010, 10:47:07 AM
jeez! I was kidding

You can't yet.  It's still too early to joke about.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 10:50:14 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.

Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.

So you want everyone to go around putting 'IMO' at the end of all their posts? If someone's posting it then ofc it's gonna be what they think. People are allowed to say what they think, whether you disagree with it or not. I notice you're not posting your opinions as opinions, just as normal posts. Why should anyone have to do anything different?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 10, 2010, 10:54:33 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.

Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.

So you want everyone to go around putting 'IMO' at the end of all their posts? If someone's posting it then ofc it's gonna be what they think. People are allowed to say what they think, whether you disagree with it or not. I notice you're not posting your opinions as opinions, just as normal posts. Why should anyone have to do anything different?
lol<3
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: zerogravityfat on September 10, 2010, 10:55:18 AM
it's all about you, not me comes on when i'm thinking MP, hahaha you're right buddy.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2010, 10:58:47 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.

Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.
Oh, come on.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 10, 2010, 11:08:13 AM
Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird.  If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public?  Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly. 

Kev, mabye I'm wrong but didn't someone post that they've been talking to Portnoy for the last 2 weeks about not leaving?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2010, 11:12:13 AM
This is kind of related but more so in terms of how the forums work here... will all non-DT MP discussion take place here in this forum? Or should it be done in the General Music Discussion forum, as has been done with JLB's upcoming solo album? Just something to point out that I don't think has been pointed out yet... Perhaps there can be a DT-Member-Related Music Discussion forum? Sure it won't have a lot in it (well, it might soon considering JLB's Static Impulse, the third Jelly Jam album, JP's solo album, and whatever MP has coming up on the horizon), but it'd be a good way to keep all those topics in one area so people won't have to sift through things here and in GMD.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 10, 2010, 11:13:15 AM


But really...everybody needs to stop saying things like "Portnoy will realize his mistake!".
Hey dude, it's my opinion. I really think it that way.

Then state it as an opinion, not a fact.

So you want everyone to go around putting 'IMO' at the end of all their posts? If someone's posting it then ofc it's gonna be what they think. People are allowed to say what they think, whether you disagree with it or not. I notice you're not posting your opinions as opinions, just as normal posts. Why should anyone have to do anything different?
I don't think being diplomatic and saying what you think in a forthright and clear manner are mutually exclusive. Nor is the process limited to suffixing your posts with "IMO."

I don't tend to find myself very fond of people who speak in absolutes. If you don't mean to be taken literally, then write the words you mean. People will only take away what's there, for starters, but I also usually find people like that a lot more gracious and likeable.

Besides which, if everyone expressed their opinions as facts... how would anyone be able to distinguish the facts from the speculation? They're completely different things. A fact needs a binary opposite for "factiness" to have any innate significance. If someone states their opinion as a fact, then I'm going to assume that they want it to be read as an absolute. If I've read the words comprehensively and thoroughly, and still not read what was intended to be expressed, then the mistake's in the writing.

Sorry. Bit of a purist. Maybe it's my problem. But I myself find it difficult to sympathise with people who complain about being misunderstood, when if they'd written what they meant in the first place they wouldn't've been. The person complaining has usually precisely understood exactly the words that were typed: it's a miswriting rather than a misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2010, 11:21:28 AM
But rob, if he is talking about an event to happen in the future, such as the above example (Portnoy will realize his mistake), then it obviously isn't a fact.  Unless the poster is harboring a heretofore unrecognized divine nature, that kind of comment would ipso facto be an opinion.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 10, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
But rob, if he is talking about an event to happen in the future, such as the above example (Portnoy will realize his mistake), then it obviously isn't a fact.  Unless the poster is harboring a heretofore unrecognized divine nature, that kind of comment would ipso facto be an opinion.
Oh yeah, definitely. I'm responding to BodiesinFlight's statement, rather than the specific example cited.

That said, I think even a prediction, when expressed as fact can come across as being very dismissive of other possibilities. "Ohhh, Person A is obviously going to transform into a leaf." "How can you know that?" "Come on." I do think it's generally prudent, even with predictive opinions, to show at least a certain degree of humility.

Anyway! We digress.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: moffatt on September 10, 2010, 11:45:21 AM
Given that Petrucci said that everything went down on Wednesday, the fact that the split was announced on Wednesday night, that seems a little weird.  If you're Portnoy, why not sleep on it for a few days in case you change your mind before saying anything to the public?  Granted, we all we know, he might be 100% confident in his decision, so why wait, but it just seems like one of those massive life decisions that are best mulled over instead of being made hastily and then revealed to everyone so quickly. 

Kev, mabye I'm wrong but didn't someone post that they've been talking to Portnoy for the last 2 weeks about not leaving?
It was someone claiming they were petrucci's brother in law. But from JP's recent posts it seems like it only just happend so that guy was obviously making it up.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 11:46:33 AM
But rob, if he is talking about an event to happen in the future, such as the above example (Portnoy will realize his mistake), then it obviously isn't a fact.  Unless the poster is harboring a heretofore unrecognized divine nature, that kind of comment would ipso facto be an opinion.
Oh yeah, definitely. I'm responding to BodiesinFlight's statement, rather than the specific example cited.

That said, I think even a prediction, when expressed as fact can come across as being very dismissive of other possibilities. "Ohhh, Person A is obviously going to transform into a leaf." "How can you know that?" "Come on." I do think it's generally prudent, even with predictive opinions, to show at least a certain degree of humility.

Anyway! We digress.

I appreciate your point Rob, I just think that it's ridiculous for people to have to change the wording of their posts to make sure everyone understands that what they might be saying is an opinion and not a fact. I think to do otherwise kinda negates the point of being a forum if you see what I mean.

Sorry! I've digressed again  :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Jarlaxle on September 10, 2010, 11:47:54 AM
I had to take a day off from DTF to let this news sink in, and I am still very sad. I cannot believe Mike is leaving, out of all people I did not expect it to be him. Now I do applaud him for following his heart, this could not have been an easy decision in the least, as I am sure he thought it through from all points of view, including us the fans. I wish him all the luck, except I hope he returns sometime in the future to play with Dream Theater. Good luck Mike, thanks for all the great music you have helped Dream Theater make.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Norwood on September 10, 2010, 11:56:45 AM
I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..

I don't see myself supporting them without him.

And I can't see myself supporting Avenged Sevenfold, they sound like a typical alternative rock band...some kind of Staind or something boring.

This sucks.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 10, 2010, 12:09:32 PM
I wonder how will their newest album be recieved...maybe things are cooling down a bit on this forum and we're getting somewhat more rational, but thousands of fans throughout the world (and Portnoy diehards) are probably not going to support a Portnoy-less DT a lot..

I don't see myself supporting them without him.

And I can't see myself supporting Avenged Sevenfold, they sound like a typical alternative rock band...some kind of Staind or something boring.

This sucks.

Ok, well nice knowing you.

And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 10, 2010, 12:13:36 PM
Ok, well nice knowing you.

And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Metal, maybe. But not that clearly. You've got to admit they have been incorporating more pop/alternative elements to their music since City of Evil (Seize the Day, M.I.A.), and even Waking the Fallen (Remenissions, this is a really good song though).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RoeDent on September 10, 2010, 12:21:17 PM
After taking a day off them to take in the news, I am now listening to Metropolis Pt. 1. Whatever band he plays in, MP is one hell of a drummer.

The both of you will (someone harmonise with me!  ;)) BE CONFINED!!!  :metal
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 12:32:56 PM
Ok, well nice knowing you.

And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Metal, maybe. But not that clearly. You've got to admit they have been incorporating more pop/alternative elements to their music since City of Evil (Seize the Day, M.I.A.), and even Waking the Fallen (Remenissions, this is a really good song though).

They were metal but they're more hard rock these days I suppose.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 10, 2010, 12:37:19 PM
Regarding Kev's question, I would imagine that the idea of a break or longer hiatus has been discussed for longer, but the actual decision to part ways happened very suddenly on Wednesday. That's my understanding anyway.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LCArenas on September 10, 2010, 12:39:20 PM
Ok, well nice knowing you.

And A7X are very clearly a metal band.
Metal, maybe. But not that clearly. You've got to admit they have been incorporating more pop/alternative elements to their music since City of Evil (Seize the Day, M.I.A.), and even Waking the Fallen (Remenissions, this is a really good song though).

They were metal but they're more hard rock these days I suppose.
Coming to think about it, I agree.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 12:40:58 PM
Regarding Kev's question, I would imagine that the idea of a break or longer hiatus has been discussed for longer, but the actual decision to part ways happened very suddenly on Wednesday. That's my understanding anyway.

This actually, now I think about it.
ariich to the rescue!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: rumborak on September 10, 2010, 01:06:42 PM
I wonder whether mp.com will enforce some kind of separation of topics from now on.

rumborak
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 01:07:19 PM
The smugest forum I've ever been to?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: rumborak on September 10, 2010, 01:11:10 PM
Ugh dude. Can you post a single post without inciting things?

rumborak
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 01:11:53 PM
I still can't register on the JP forum and have forgotten my login for MP forum

Of all the times for that to happen... ::)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ResultsMayVary on September 10, 2010, 01:25:21 PM
I still can't register on the JP forum and have forgotten my login for MP forum

Of all the times for that to happen... ::)
From what I understand, JP has shut down registration for the time being on his forum.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bodiesinflight on September 10, 2010, 01:26:30 PM
I still can't register on the JP forum and have forgotten my login for MP forum

Of all the times for that to happen... ::)
From what I understand, JP has shut down registration for the time being on his forum.

Yeah, so I gather, fair enough I suppose. Thought he might have allowed it again by now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
If he is smart he will leave it closed for a few months. You don't want people joining simply because they want to ask him a question, and it will be nice for those who have been there a long time to get some time to enjoy this new perk.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 10, 2010, 01:40:22 PM
I wonder what Kevin Moore has to say about this.

Nothing, and who gives a fuck.
Jeez, I thought Kevin Moore was enough of a joke for this to be taken the opposite of seriously.

*looks at post count*

Oh, you're just a nub. Understandable. Carry on.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gorille85 on September 10, 2010, 01:52:54 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zook on September 10, 2010, 02:01:47 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MetalManiac666 on September 10, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
Just tried to sign in over at MP.com and forgot I got banned. lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 10, 2010, 02:14:52 PM
I don't see any need to sign up at MP's or JP's forum. I mean, whatever they are going to post or say can be read if you have guest status and will inevitably end up here as well anyway. And if I had a question, chances are that I wouldn't get an answer anyway, so I'll spare myself the fruitless efforts.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 10, 2010, 02:16:57 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 10, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RurHa.png)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zook on September 10, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Could this be a mid-life crisis thing? He's having so much fun with these young dudes and enjoying mainstream fame that now he doesn't want to leave it. Will it pass?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2010, 02:18:32 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.

Is that the one you got from pre-ordered the album through FYE.com? If so, I have one of those... not framed though.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: yorost on September 10, 2010, 02:18:55 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
Mine isn't, my wife doesn't like it so it's hiding behind one of our shelves. :(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2010, 02:19:15 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.

If you guys are experiencing inanimate objects displaying human like emotions, I suggest you see a doctor or therapist. At least that's what my Sigmund Freud action figure told me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 10, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.

If you guys are experiencing inanimate objects displaying human like emotions, I suggest you see a doctor or therapist. At least that's what my Sigmund Freud action figure told me.
Your action figure is actually controlled by the government. You're about to be caught. You will die.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 02:39:47 PM
You people and you're one thing... in this room alone I have MP's picture or a poster of something he's on staring me over six times over, twice signed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zook on September 10, 2010, 02:44:54 PM
If I would have brought all their album booklets to the signing, would that have too much? Sure would suck if I couldn't have got them all signed.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 10, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 10, 2010, 02:49:56 PM
Wait, this means their next album will have less balls in the metal, but more prog... Hmm, I like. Best of luck to Portnoy.
Now you're thinking like me!  :D
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 10, 2010, 02:50:41 PM
Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT

Chris Jericho is probably going to show up and crap on DT like he did with his twitter post.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 02:52:18 PM
Are Eddie's interviews available after the fact? I know I won't be around for this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2010, 02:53:56 PM
I'm sure someone here will be around to listen to the show and offer us transcriptions of the important bits.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zook on September 10, 2010, 02:56:42 PM
Why would Jericho crap on DT? I thought they were his favorite band.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
Yeah, but he's friends with Portnoy, not the rest of them as far as I know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 10, 2010, 02:58:47 PM
Quote
DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird

Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: OneLastTime on September 10, 2010, 03:05:27 PM
I'm definetly gonna listen to what MP has to say/ I'll try my best to give a summary of what happens later 2morrow.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 10, 2010, 03:12:52 PM
Quote
DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird

Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.

I took it as him saying that DT deciding to continue on without MP was a mistake, not that they ousted MP.

Who knows?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TL on September 10, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
Could this be a mid-life crisis thing? He's having so much fun with these young dudes and enjoying mainstream fame that now he doesn't want to leave it. Will it pass?
If it is something like that, I'd imagine that he would regret it at least a bit once the honeymoon ends, and he realizes that a lot of the things that he didn't find fun about Dream Theater also exist with A7X.
Obviously at this point we know that there was probably more to it than what he said in his statement, but stating that he left because he was having more fun with Transatlantic and A7X seems shortsighted. Most things are more consistently fun and exciting when you rarely do them. His solution, doing those more, completely ignores that and could easily cause the same problems with those things.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chknptpie on September 10, 2010, 03:23:38 PM
Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT

Is this tv, radio, webcast?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: orcus116 on September 10, 2010, 03:24:09 PM
Quote
DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird

Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.

I took it as him saying that DT deciding to continue on without MP was a mistake, not that they ousted MP.

Who knows?

I have no idea what he would expect them to do. Sit around and not make money?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 10, 2010, 03:24:40 PM
Looks like MP will be on Eddie Trunk tonight 11:30pm EST

https://twitter.com/MikePortnoyDT

Is this tv, radio, webcast?

I believe Eddie Trunk has a website. Be sure to check that out for all the info because I'm not sure.

EDIT:

Quote
DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird

Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.

I took it as him saying that DT deciding to continue on without MP was a mistake, not that they ousted MP.

Who knows?

I have no idea what he would expect them to do. Sit around and not make money?

I'm not sure orc. I'm sure MP just wanted DT to wait and take a break, so I assumed he was just siding with MP.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 10, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
My new background.

(https://i51.tinypic.com/5mq21.jpg)


I love Steve-Theater.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: veronica on September 10, 2010, 03:32:35 PM
Quote
DT is one of my favorite bands. But they have made a huge mistake....
Thu Sep 09 2010 02:48:38 (Eastern Daylight Time) via TwitBird

Basically implying DT were the ones who ousted Mike.
Huh, I read that as "they let him go! Oh noes big mistake you guys are perfect for each other"

you know, that kind of statement. Not implying or siding just being a friend and fan who's perturbed. But what do I know.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 03:33:01 PM
Yeah, that's my new one too, Steve is the man.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 10, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
My signed and framed Portnoy poster is mocking me...
I've got a signed and framed Systematic Chaos print that is pretty much laughing at me.
No it's not. It's screaming "I AM THE LAAAAAAAAAAAST (one of these you'll ever be getting)".

I've been making sure to keep a few basic facts in mind, with all this, personally:

1 - the band didn't break up. ONE member left... just one of five.
2 - it's entirely possible for your favorite band to no longer exist as it once did, and still be your favorite band
3 - the music and concerts and experiences that I was fortunate enough to share with this incarnation of this band aren't going to go away just because MP does -- I still have the music and the memories and the experiences, and they're all fantastic
4 - they're all still alive, so there's always chance for a reunion.. if one had died I'd be wishing to God that he'd only left. Maybe I got my wish already and don't know it.. and here I am bitching. Shame on me.

What great fucking memories I've made with the help of Dream Theater (MP edition) -- I'm glad for all of them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 10, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
4 - they're all still alive, so there's always chance for a reunion.. if one had died I'd be wishing to God that he'd only left. Maybe I got my wish already and don't know it.

Whoa.  :justjen
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 10, 2010, 03:43:36 PM
Silly little thought...

Interested to see where the artwork goes, for the next album. And title. I always got the impression that was basically Mike's job. Wonder if they'll go to Hugh Syme again, or do something different.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Gadough on September 10, 2010, 03:45:01 PM
I just saw this on a Blabbermouth comment. I had to share it.

Quote
I think MP left DT because John Myung wouldn't shut up....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: lateralus88 on September 10, 2010, 03:48:27 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 10, 2010, 03:49:11 PM
 :rollin



:myungwoot:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Plasmastrike on September 10, 2010, 03:50:07 PM
JR official statement

https://jcrudess.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/jordan-rudess-official-statement/
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zook on September 10, 2010, 03:56:11 PM
First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 03:58:11 PM
Wow, took them long enough, but a blabbermouth poster finally had a great comment.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 10, 2010, 03:58:29 PM
First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:

 :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkEternalNight on September 10, 2010, 05:53:30 PM
First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
Which will be a step in the direction of Pirate Metal with John Petrucci doing background bear growls. Hot damn, I can't wait.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: cthrubuoy on September 10, 2010, 06:05:34 PM
I just saw this on a Blabbermouth comment. I had to share it.

Quote
I think MP left DT because John Myung wouldn't shut up....

 :hat
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: juice on September 10, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
bear growls
:2metal:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: perfectchaos180 on September 10, 2010, 06:10:49 PM
I find it pretty funny that when BC&SL came out I made a topic saying that Mike was hitting a mid-life crisis. You guys ALL flamed me and treated me like a fool, but now I see people agreeing with me?

Another thing is his dad just died... I am sure that even magnified the fact that he is getting older...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 10, 2010, 06:17:18 PM
I wonder if TBOT was not only just about his dad.  Hmmm.....
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: 2Timer on September 10, 2010, 06:34:13 PM
I do remember someone, though I don't know who, when MP first hit the road with A7X, that he might end up leaving DT. I thought that was pretty far fetched, but whoever that was is apparently wise beyond his years. This may have already been mentioned, but I just learned about this yesterday afternoon and didn't really have time to sift through 25 pages of posts. Much of what I might say in the next few days could be redundant due to that, so please be understanding with me.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: YtseJam on September 10, 2010, 06:35:45 PM
There's a toss up between Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich..... I wonder who they'll pick

Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: The Letter M on September 10, 2010, 06:38:50 PM
Just because I like whacky theories...

WDADU - 8 Songs
IAW - 8 Songs, New Member (JLB)
Awake - 11 Songs
FII - 11 Songs, New Member (DS)
SFAM - 12 Songs, New Member (JR), Concept album
SDOIT - 6 Songs
TOT - 7 Songs
8VM - 8 Songs
SC - 7 Songs
BC&SL - 6 Songs
DT11 - New Member (drummer)... Concept album with 12 songs? :neverusethis:
DT12 - 11 Songs? New Member?
DT13 - 11 Songs?
DT14 - 8 Songs? New Member?
DT15 - 8 Songs...final album?

Hmmm...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ScioPath on September 10, 2010, 06:55:01 PM
I'm sorry. I refuse to accept any theory that marks Octavarium as the climax of their career.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on September 10, 2010, 06:55:12 PM
There's a toss up between Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich..... I wonder who they'll pick

Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Just in your fucking nightmare
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 10, 2010, 07:14:56 PM
I wonder if TBOT was not only just about his dad.  Hmmm.....
Don't take that song out of context. The (little and poor) imagery that song has clearly adduces to a paternal love.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: blackngold29 on September 10, 2010, 08:56:30 PM
Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Dear God and A Piece of Heaven are good. They are virtually the opposite of everything else they play. (Not that I don't enjoy their music, but it's no comparrison whatsoever to DT.)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: James007 on September 10, 2010, 09:17:32 PM
There's a toss up between Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich..... I wonder who they'll pick

Does Avenge Sevenfold have any good songs?
Their drumming seems to have improved recently, but the answer to your question is "no".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: chknptpie on September 10, 2010, 09:33:21 PM
www.q1043.com

click listen live to hear interview with MP
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DT1 on September 10, 2010, 09:52:17 PM
I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye.  Sorry you wouldn't stay.

Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000.  :omg:  Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?

Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.

Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 10, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 10, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
lol
This.

I know you mentioned it in your post, buuuuut...

do you know you were talking to a moderator?

Ya know... the people that give teh banhammer?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2010, 09:55:31 PM
What a lengthy angry reply to such a standard short comment by Hef.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 10, 2010, 09:56:01 PM
I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye.  Sorry you wouldn't stay.

Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000.  :omg:  Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?

Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.

Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.


Goes against all my instincts to be so monosyllabic, would usually bite your ear off (then type an essay about it) but...

That's a bit of a presumption, surely?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: DT1 on September 10, 2010, 10:00:34 PM
lol

do you know you were talking to a moderator?


WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Cycloptomese on September 10, 2010, 10:01:33 PM
I just heard about this today.  With the news came a great deal of shame regarding how crumby of a fan I've been over the last year or so.  I've had a love affair with DT for about 12 years now.  BCSL should arrive on my doorstep tomorrow sometime.  Also, I just registered here.  This is my first, and likely my last post.  I just wanted to express how I feel.  I'm not trying to talk smack, but .... ...  ..

It feels like Optimus Prime just woke up one morning and decided to join the Decepticons, complete with a kneeling before Megatron ceremony.  That's the best analogy that I can come up with.  As upset as I am, I wish the best for both Mr. Portnoy, as well as what remains of Dream Theater, my favorite band in the world.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 10, 2010, 10:04:24 PM
Just for future reference, trying to make an objective argument about how Portnoy is Dream Theater while you have a picture of him and 'Mike Portnoy > God' in your sig is going to be a hard sell.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2010, 10:06:08 PM
lol

do you know you were talking to a moderator?


WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.

Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 10, 2010, 10:07:59 PM
lol

do you know you were talking to a moderator?


WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.

Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
He can actually turn people into pterodactyls just by smiling at them.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Sigz on September 10, 2010, 10:08:08 PM
Adami you really should get life.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: axeman90210 on September 10, 2010, 10:08:33 PM
lol

do you know you were talking to a moderator?


WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.

Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.

mmmmm, noob burgers with extra bacon
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2010, 10:09:30 PM
Adami you really should get life.

I got life, I lose life, hef look, I no longer life.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Birch Boy on September 10, 2010, 10:09:48 PM
lol

do you know you were talking to a moderator?


WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.
Surely they can take your life... on here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 10, 2010, 10:41:25 PM
First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:

As a Nightwish fan, I am offended...but as a DT fan, I am  :rollin, So i am conflicted.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nick on September 10, 2010, 11:40:31 PM
I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye.  Sorry you wouldn't stay.

Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000.  :omg:  Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?

Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.

Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.


Hef may have been nice, considering he was the one who's comment was in question he might have felt there was a conflict in interest in banning you. I however, hold no such grudges, so like Hef I say goodbye, but when I say good day... I SAID GOOD DAY.

On a serious note this user took something way out of context (Hef was simply saying that if he didn't want to participate then don't participate) and attacked a moderator in the process, and frankly with things as hectic as they are right now we don't need that here.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ThroughHerEyesDude6 on September 11, 2010, 12:05:14 AM
lol

do you know you were talking to a moderator?


WELL aware. It's funny how people cower to internet moderators as if they're going to take your life. Sad really.

Well then it's ironic you attacked hef, as he is the only moderator, nay the only being capable of actually taking your life. He won't kill you, he will look at you, and then you will be lifeless. I've seen it happen. Then lonestar will cook you.
He can actually turn people into pterodactyls just by smiling at them.
I heard he can turn a can opener into the Mona Lisa...or was that Lonestar?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2010, 02:42:51 AM
I can't believe this is happening. No more Mike = no more DT for me.
OK, bye.  Sorry you wouldn't stay.

Y'know what? It's irritating shit like this that made me shy away from this forum in the first place. Clearly you post too much as it is seeing as you're nearing 20,000.  :omg:  Got life? I would expect more from a moderator. You clearly represent less. Good to know that you can make off handed remarks at another's expense. And I'm not just talking about my remarks either. I read what you say elsewhere and I'm quite underwhelmed. I guess anyone can moderate... right?

Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.

Yes, I know that he's not the only member. Each member of this band is a stellar performer and there's no doubt about that. But finding a drummer at the level that Mike has maintained over these years is going to be nearly impossible. HA! What are they going to do? Offer Neil Peart a spot? Bozzio maybe? Not gonna happen. DT, as I have known them since I&W, is done. They may go on with whomever. But no Mike, no DT for me. It's been a great ride. Time to get off.


Hef may have been nice, considering he was the one who's comment was in question he might have felt there was a conflict in interest in banning you. I however, hold no such grudges, so like Hef I say goodbye, but when I say good day... I SAID GOOD DAY.

On a serious note this user took something way out of context (Hef was simply saying that if he didn't want to participate then don't participate) and attacked a moderator in the process, and frankly with things as hectic as they are right now we don't need that here.
lol WTF
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: mainframe004 on September 11, 2010, 02:58:24 AM
I cried when I heard the news. It just isn't going to be the same Dream Theater without him.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 11, 2010, 03:15:07 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AcidLameLTE on September 11, 2010, 05:05:57 AM
I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 11, 2010, 05:07:19 AM
I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.

Of laughter?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2010, 05:14:02 AM
I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
I did too.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Nihil-Morari on September 11, 2010, 05:20:40 AM
Unbelievable, but yet I'm very anxious to see where they're going without MP.


(Or in other words: what everyone else said)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 11, 2010, 05:27:44 AM
I cried when I read DT1's angry reply to hef.
I did too.

John "Bluto" Blutarsky would never cry. ;)
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2010, 05:28:19 AM
Yeah, he wouldn't, but Jake Blues might.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Fluffy Lothario on September 11, 2010, 06:37:54 AM
You know, I just read DT1's post while listening to that Phil Davison speech from GD, and as a result, it took on the same tone. Very amusing.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 11, 2010, 06:41:06 AM
... so my gf, my best friend, and his gf were about to take off from the skating rink earlier... and i couldnt help myself. i had to say it...


"Lets make like Portnoy and leave"

...

too soon?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ACID_FOX on September 11, 2010, 07:00:00 AM
... so my gf, my best friend, and his gf were about to take off from the skating rink earlier... and i couldnt help myself. i had to say it...


"Lets make like Portnoy and leave"

...

too soon?

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: kingshmegland on September 11, 2010, 08:31:52 AM
Yeah, he wouldn't, but Jake Blues might.
:lol
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SnakeEyes on September 11, 2010, 09:44:31 AM
Apparently some of you aren't blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band so you just laugh it off and make mind numbing comments that add nothing to this thread. That's okay. It'll eventually hit you when you realize that this band will be crushed without it's rock. It's creator. It's centerpiece.

Why do crazy fanboys like this - who supposedly know every single thing about DT because they're, well, crazy fanboys - always somehow forget that Portnoy didn't, "create DT."  Two thirds of DT existed well before Portnoy on Long Island when Petrucci and Myung grew up together and used to jam together every single day.  

And, they'll continue without him.  
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Orbert on September 11, 2010, 10:10:42 AM
But... we're all supposed to be blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band.  This is no time for staying calm, appreciating what we have, and hoping for the best.  Everybody needs to freak the fuck out!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SnakeEyes on September 11, 2010, 10:14:08 AM
LOL

"Magnitude"
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 11, 2010, 10:17:30 AM
But... we're all supposed to be blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band.  This is no time for staying calm, appreciating what we have, and hoping for the best.  Everybody needs to freak the fuck out!
























*freaks the fuck out*
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 11, 2010, 10:22:54 AM
But... we're all supposed to be blown away by the magnitude of Mike leaving the band.  This is no time for staying calm, appreciating what we have, and hoping for the best.  Everybody needs to freak the fuck out!
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 11, 2010, 10:32:33 AM
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: veronica on September 11, 2010, 11:20:35 AM
...











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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: bloop on September 11, 2010, 12:18:24 PM
First single on the new album: BYE BYE BLUE BEARD!!! :neverusethis:
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Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Volk9 on September 11, 2010, 12:24:58 PM
... so my gf, my best friend, and his gf were about to take off from the skating rink earlier... and i couldnt help myself. i had to say it...


"Lets make like Portnoy and leave"

...

too soon?

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 11, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
This place never changes. I'm so conflicted.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2010, 12:43:31 PM
This band never changes. I'm so conflicted.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 11, 2010, 12:47:44 PM
Your underwear never changes. I'm so disgusted.



sirslee, me too
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2010, 12:48:41 PM
.....I'm not quite sure how my post could have been interpreted as insulting to you jenny, but if you feel the need to insult me.........go ahead, I can take it. I'm tough....















 :'(
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 11, 2010, 12:51:04 PM
.....I'm not quite sure how my post could have been interpreted as insulting to you jenny, but if you feel the need to insult me.........go ahead, I can take it. I'm tough....















 :'(

*pats shoulder*

it'll be okay. i once knew a guy who was in a band for twenty five years and then circumstances dictated he leave and he got through it, and I'm sure you'll get through this. And you know what?

YOU"RE GONNA SHINE.

there now, go change your underwear like a good little man.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: JustJen on September 11, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2010, 12:55:25 PM
.....I'm not quite sure how my post could have been interpreted as insulting to you jenny, but if you feel the need to insult me.........go ahead, I can take it. I'm tough....
 :'(

*pats shoulder*

it'll be okay. i once knew a guy who was in a band for twenty five years and then circumstances dictated he leave and he got through it, and I'm sure you'll get through this. And you know what?

YOU"RE GONNA SHINE.

there now, go change your underwear like a good little man.

Ok.........dunno what your problem is, but good luck with it all.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: pogoowner on September 11, 2010, 01:01:20 PM
Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Eh, I don't know. You can read it into anything if you try hard enough.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 11, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Eh, I don't know. You can read it into anything if you try hard enough.
Every DT album is a concept album.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Dublagent66 on September 11, 2010, 01:25:40 PM
Seriously though I was just listening to 8V earlier today and now so many lyrics make me think that this was coming even back then...
Eh, I don't know. You can read it into anything if you try hard enough.
Every DT album is a concept album.

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: KevShmev on September 11, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
I guess Mike Portnoy could only take so much of us and our ungrateful ways.  We can't say we weren't warned. :p
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2010, 01:27:30 PM
I guess Mike Portnoy could only take so much of us and our ungrateful ways.  We can't say we weren't warned. :p


Think about his carpets!
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Aniland on September 11, 2010, 01:44:52 PM
Every Dream Theater album is actually secretly a concept album about Mike leaving the band. Moore figured it out, which is why Mike gave him the shaft.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Tick on September 11, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Every Dream Theater album is actually secretly a concept album about Mike leaving the band. Moore figured it out, which is why Mike gave him the shaft.
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 11, 2010, 01:50:22 PM
:therearenowords:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MajorMatt on September 11, 2010, 03:40:05 PM
I guess seeing TROAE, TGP & TDS in one show is as close to seeing 12Steps live as ill get for now.

How close have you guys got, have they even played repentance or TSF yet?

Matt
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TAC on September 11, 2010, 03:43:08 PM
Repentance was played in NY in '08. It's on the Fan Club CD.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MajorMatt on September 11, 2010, 03:45:26 PM
Repentance was played in NY in '08. It's on the Fan Club CD.

Ahh so they did.

Thanks,
Matt
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on September 11, 2010, 04:17:15 PM
If given the choice between:

A) Dream goes on two year hiatus
B)  Dream Theater records new record in 1-11-11 and tours without MP

I would choose B.  Four-fifths of  Dream Theater is better than no parts Dream Theater (for two or more years).

At least I'll have something to tide me over until MP's eventual return.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on September 11, 2010, 04:20:44 PM
It's not going to go down well with the new drummer if MP is allowed to return to the band.

No, I think this is the end of Portnoy with DT.

Personally, I am glad to see DT taking a new direction. If there was anyone i'd want leaving DT from the current lineup, it's Mike.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: glaurung on September 11, 2010, 05:35:28 PM
After hearing MP's interview last night I don't think this will be permanent.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: TempusVox on September 11, 2010, 05:51:56 PM
Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,

"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 11, 2010, 05:56:28 PM
Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,

"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."
I think, if that were ever even a possibility, things wouldn't've ended up like this.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Adami on September 11, 2010, 06:05:32 PM
Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,

"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."

I doubt it. This isn't Metallica. It's not like JP, JLB, JR and JM (wow that's a lot of J's) haven't played with tons of other musicians. They've all had plenty of experience with other drummers. It's not like Mike has been all they knew. Sure DT was always mike on drums, but I'm sure they can adapt.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: emindead on September 11, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
:MP: I demand this to be taken down; he is no longer a member! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 11, 2010, 10:23:59 PM
A statement by MP's sister on his forum:

Before I write this, understand that this is MY statement.  Mike might kill me for speaking up, but I just can't sit by quietly.  I guess I'm like Mike in that way.

PLEASE stop reading between the lines with this whole situation. There is no hidden meaning in all of this (is there ever with Mike?  The guy is an open book with his fans!!).  Everything Mike said in his interview with Eddie Trunk, in his press release or otherwise is everything he has been saying to me for the past year, at least.  He LOVES the other (DT) guys and their families.  They have grown up together, married women that were (and are) best friends, have raised their kids as best friends.  They are family.  This was not an easy decision for him as a drummer, founding band member (and band leader) or person. 

Let's put 25 years into perspective.  I am 40.  I met John and John when I was 15.  How many friends do I still have that I have had to live AND work with for the past 25 years?  Not a single one.  I can't imagine looking at the same group of people for that many years and being able to come up with new, fun ideas (that will then be judged the world over).  My friends and I get stuck on doing the same things on random weekend gatherings!     


Remember, this is strictly my perspective here...

You'd think that being a rock star would be 100% fun 100% of the time.  But I know that Mike works extremely hard and takes every bit of this experience to heart.  You might think you know, but you have no idea (to borrow a line from Behind the Music).  It is a part of who he is as a person, it is definitely not just a job.  He's been running at a pace (WITH DREAM THEATER) most people couldn't keep up for a few months, much less 25 years.  He just wants a break.  He wants to have the chance to play with other musicians and be reminded of how special this all is.  He wants to have fun and not be in charge of every detail for a bit.  (And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.) 

The way I see it, it's not a matter of Mike not wanting to be in DT (Remember, he DOES want to be in DT... he NEVER wanted or planned to leave the band).  Giving up Dream Theater must be like giving up a child for him.  I know it's been horribly painful.  But I am extremely proud of him for recognizing that he needs to be reinvigorated and for doing what he needs to do to make that happen.  You know Mike.  He does not do anything half-assed.  He wants every drop of music that Dream Theater releases to be perfect and fulfilling for everyone.  Right now, he is guaranteeing that he can't do that.  Maybe (apparently) the other guys don't feel the same about this situation, I can't speak to that, but he knows that he needs a break to be able to bring the best of himself to the table.  There is no alterier motive.  He genuinely just needs a break.  He needs a break that allows him to find new inspiration and have some down time.  When he has done his other side projects, if you think he was not also working on DT stuff, you'd be incredibly mistaken.   

I guess I got a bit long-winded there... sorry, but it's torture to sit back and watch my brother getting ripped apart or criticized for making this incredibly INCREDIBLY hard choice.  And for those of you who are supporting/understanding of his decision, I want you to know HOW MUCH it is appreciated. 

Thanks for listening...
~ Sam
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: SnakeEyes on September 11, 2010, 10:34:27 PM
How irritating.  Not that she's defending her brother, but that she doesn't understand why people (at least me, personally, and I'm sure other people) have criticized him.  It's not that he wanted to leave DT.  That's his choice and I even understand the reasons.  It's that he's TRYING TO PIN IT ON THE OTHER GUYS.  He should just be a man and say, "I WANT TO DO OTHER THINGS," not, "Well, uh, THEY put ME in this position," as if their careers and livelihoods aren't as important as his.  So, yeah.... NO.  

edit..

I can reword this or delete it if it seems inflammatory.... really wasn't meant to be.  Mods - delete it if necessary or tell me to modify it and it will be done. 
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: MykeHavoc on September 11, 2010, 10:43:59 PM
I see merit in what she said. As well as what everyone has said. Luckily, DT's hardcore fan-base seems to be made up of fairly intelligent people. Perhaps this brand of music attracts that sort of mind. Everyone's got different stances and biases towards this. Most of them are not unfounded. I don't think we'll ever even get close to having a union of feeling toward this. I think we're all just gonna take our places and wait and see what happens. The bombshell effect has, for the most part, finished. We are now waiting for the next big chunk of news. That may be an announcement on a new drummer...or that the band is breaking up...or that Mike isn't leaving after all. But, as of now, most of us appear to have made up our minds on the events as they have unfolded thus fat. It's simply a matter of waiting and seeing what happens next.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 12, 2010, 03:21:56 AM
I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.

(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.) 
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2010, 03:43:36 AM
I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.

(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.) 
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
My thoughts exactly. Must you always be right about everything Rob?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 12, 2010, 03:47:20 AM
I agree with rob. Of course, as his sister, she's bound to be a bit biased at least, but I think she's taking the defending thing a bit too far.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 12, 2010, 04:08:14 AM
I don't think any of them need defending, Mike included.  They are all grown men, and they have all made their decisions.  They will live or die with the consequences of the decisions they've made.  That's it.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 12, 2010, 04:22:38 AM
Man it's kinda fun watching everyone's frustrations with Mike start to bubble over (not fun for Mike, of course).
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: wolfking on September 12, 2010, 04:25:18 AM
Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,

"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."

I really hope this doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 12, 2010, 04:29:28 AM
Who is to say that the rest of the band won't reconsider and just break up albeit temporarily? I can see the band over the next couple of months coming out and saying that ,

"As we get closer and closer to starting work on a new project, we can't help but feel more and more that we simply cannot go on as Dream Theater without Mike, so we have agreed to take a break and hopefully regroup bigger, better, and stronger in 2012."

I really hope this doesn't happen.
Me too.  And frankly, after all of the assurances they have put out in the last few days, including all of the good will that JP has engendered with his Q & A sessions, that would be a PR nightmare.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: AngusT on September 12, 2010, 04:33:57 AM
Sad news.   :'(

I wish the best to all of them and hope for more awesome music.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: robwebster on September 12, 2010, 04:34:03 AM
I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.

(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.) 
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.
My thoughts exactly. Must you always be right about everything Rob?
Haha, that's a relief. I looked back and was worried I was being a bit harsh. Almost edited it.

The rest is fine! Good! I agree with her even. There's an inherent danger in reading too much into things, as you can end up treating people as though they've said things that they explicitly haven't. He's been very gracious in giving a half hour interview, and although it's just one side of the story, we should make sure we take our guesses with a pinch of salt. (and we're right to guess! we care about things we could never know, guessing isn't so much "clutching at straws" as "all we've got") But I think it's a bit low to go "oh, the band can't exist without my brother and you'd be silly and ignorant to think otherwise." They can, do, and will.

It's not so much "no idea what we're talking about," more "an accurate historical representation of current events."
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 12, 2010, 04:43:46 AM
Yeah... I'm not gonna bash Mike's sister because I can understand her coming to the defense of her brother. Though it was completely unnecessary. And, honestly, only reinforced the incorrect assumption that Mike's a control-freak and that the other guys in DT aren't "good enough" to run the show.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: welshexile1963 on September 12, 2010, 04:53:35 AM
Oh man this was like a kick in the nuts! MP no longer in DT?! Is it DT without MP? I dont know what to say or think  ???
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: tri.ad on September 12, 2010, 04:55:35 AM
Is it DT without MP?

Most definitely yes.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bertielee on September 12, 2010, 05:17:35 AM
I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.

(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.) 
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.

You know what? I see it differently : my guess is that she implies, in defense of her brother, that he does NOT have the reins all for himself, but that the others have them also. Now, I may be wrong of course.
BTW, I find it also a little harsh implying that Poor Little Mike ONLY is the victim. After all, what she has to keep in mind is that it's MP who left. And TBH, MP does not appear to me as having the status of victim.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: sneakyblueberry on September 12, 2010, 05:20:54 AM
Its funny how she says she's tired of everyone reading between the lines of MP's statement, only for everyone to read between the lines on her statement.

Bit of a funny thing there.
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Perpetual Change on September 12, 2010, 05:22:02 AM
Mike can't do anything without making it into a big deal. Not meaning that in a bad way at all, either. But, I mean, did anyone really think he would or could just leave quietly and have that be it?
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Bertielee on September 12, 2010, 05:22:41 AM
Its funny how she says she's tired of everyone reading between the lines of MP's statement, only for everyone to read between the lines on her statement.

Bit of a funny thing there.

It's because we're all funny guys, you know. :rollin
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: ariich on September 12, 2010, 05:35:40 AM
I do see what she's saying, though this one bit kind of annoyed me.

(And for those of you thinking he should just let others take the reins in DT, all I'll say is that you have no idea what you are talking about.) 
But... that's what's actually happening. I don't know why she's kind of snidely going "pff, let's see THAT happen," when that's exactly what they're doing, now.

You know what? I see it differently : my guess is that she implies, in defense of her brother, that he does NOT have the reins all for himself, but that the others have them also. Now, I may be wrong of course.
BTW, I find it also a little harsh implying that Poor Little Mike ONLY is the victim. After all, what she has to keep in mind is that it's MP who left. And TBH, MP does not appear to me as having the status of victim.
Hmm, you know what, I'm actually with you on that one. MP did a hell of a lot of work with DT but he certainly wasn't controlling the band. The way she worded it was almost saying "You people are being so ridiculous I'm not even going to dignify it with a full response".
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 12, 2010, 05:45:26 AM
^I got that vibe as well.^
Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: InTheNameOfGod on September 12, 2010, 05:57:04 AM
With everything that has been said, I think this is the right decision for the band.

There are plenty of great drummers out there who can perform to the level of Portnoy, do not doubt that for a second. He will be missed, but DT can start a new chapter in their careers, and i'm interested now more than ever to hear something fresh, without the influence of Portnoy.

Title: Re: Mike Portnoy leaves Dream Theater
Post by: Zantera on September 12, 2010, 06:07:20 AM
It's still pretty sad that Mike left, heck it's always sad when a founding/core-member leaves a group you like.
I see a lot of people thinking/hoping that things will work out somehow and MP will rejoin the band within a year or so, and i can understand that, because you always hope for things to stay the same when it comes to the things you like.
However, looking at it from a neutral point of view, i'd say the chances for that happening are pretty low.
Sure it might happen, along with snowballs in hell or flying pigs.

Overall i think it could be a good thing though.
When i look back at the newest DT-r